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The Inevitable OJ Convicted Thread

US News | Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 9:26:35 am PDT

The last time we posted a thread about O.J. Simpson, it got a record rating of -265: The Inevitable OJ Thread.

So let’s go for another personal worst: Simpson convicted of robbing memorabilia dealers.

LAS VEGAS – Thirteen years to the day after being acquitted of killing his wife and her friend in Los Angeles, O.J. Simpson was found guilty of robbing two sports-memorabilia dealers at gunpoint in a Las Vegas hotel room.

The 61-year-old former football star was convicted of all 12 counts late Friday after jurors deliberated for more than 13 hours. He released a heavy sigh as the charges were read and was immediately taken into custody.

Simpson, who went from American sports idol to celebrity-in-exile after his murder acquittal, could spend the rest of his life in prison.

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1 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:27:48am

No golf courses in prison.

2 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:28:40am

Karma's a bitch, eh Juice?

3 Psaturn  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:28:42am

Say it ain't so!

4 RoughRider  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:28:45am

Is downtown Las Vegas burning yet?

5 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:28:54am
Thirteen years to the day after being acquitted of killing his wife and her friend in Los Angeles,

Sometimes karma takes a while.

6 Split  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:29:07am

Better late than never.

7 nyc redneck  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:29:31am

this is the bright note of the day.
that justice was finally served to o.j.
you can run but you can't hide.

8 Tilli  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:29:43am

see ya douche-bag. Don't drop the soap.

9 Adrenalyn  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:29:44am

and we all shine on
like the moon and the stars and the sun

10 missouri boy  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:29:58am

It's alright...Pres. Obama will pardon him.

11 Adrenalyn  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:30:34am

re: #10 missouri boy

It's alright...Pres. Obama will pardon him.

can't - state charges can only be pardoned by governor
mu ha ha ha

12 experiencedtraveller  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:31:51am

For the last 12 years whenever someone mentioned "OJ" to me I would respond with a big smile and say "an innocent man falsely accused."

Today, I am not smiling at OJ for a guilty man has been convicted.

13 pat  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:32:17am

I thought we had this discussion last night?

14 jcm  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:32:42am

OJ, meet your new room mate, Bubba.

15 NY Nana  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:32:49am

It ain't over til it's over...I will believe it when he is in prison for life. That he got away with 2 murders, and is still considered a 'celebrity'? Sad and sick at the same time.

/Will we see another police chase on TV for what seemed like 20 hours?

BBL...off to see a 2-year old grandson!

16 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:32:53am

re: #8 Tilli

see ya douche-bag. Don't drop the soap.

nah.. he'll be a hero, & in solitary. No need to be concerned about soap issues. :-(

17 rw in san diego  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:33:01am

How's he going to find the real murderer if while he's in prison?

18 victor_yugo  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:33:22am

Quit dinging this story up, people! Your interfering with Charles' efforts to create a new worst-rated story!

19 nyc redneck  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:33:46am

like all megalomaniacs, he didn't pay attention to the fact that his antics were wearing thin w/ the public.
his free pass got punched. and he didn't know it.

20 debutaunt  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:33:56am

OJ, you can kill people, but do not steal from them.

21 jcm  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:34:08am

re: #12 experiencedtraveller

For the last 12 years whenever someone mentioned "OJ" to me I would respond with a big smile and say "an innocent man falsely accused."

Today, I am not smiling at OJ for a guilty man has been convicted.

Oh! The travesty of justice, now OJ won't be able to find the real killers on a golf course some where.
/

22 Bobibutu  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:34:48am

"Mills of the Gods, Grind exceedingly slow, But grind exceedingly fine."

Oh happy day.

23 MJ  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:35:13am

I'll wait for the appeal process to work it's way through the court. When it comes to OJ and the Courts, I take a wait and see attitude.

24 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:35:19am

smile

25 Sifty  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:35:24am

Karma is a cast iron bitch with lots of time and a sick sense of humor, ain't she Juice?

26 gymgal  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:35:27am

Wooo hooooo! I am doing a happy dance.

Thanks Nevada!

27 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:36:01am
So let’s go for another personal worst: Simpson convicted of robbing memorabilia dealers.

I reversed my down-ding, as this is a good news thread.

28 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:37:09am

re: #9 Adrenalyn

and we all shine on
like the moon and the stars and the sun

[Link: noolmusic.com...]

29 NY Nana  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:38:33am

OJ Simpson- from A to Z.

He is appealing. Shocka! As long as he is kept in prison throughout the appeal....and I am not convinced that he won't get out during the appeal, which would be an error of massive proportions.

Cya, later, Lizards.

30 doppelganglander  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:39:11am

The best part:

The verdict came 13 years to the day after Simpson was cleared of murdering his ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and her friend, Ronald Goldman, in Los Angeles in one of the most sensational trials of the 20th century.
31 rightymouse  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:39:32am

I remember watching the murder trial on TV and being dumbfounded by the unbelievably sloppy prosecution.

There's no doubt in my mind that he killed Nicole and Ron Goldman. I hope he rots in prison.

32 Sol Roth  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:39:39am

Say hello to the Tossed Salad ManTM O.J.!

33 centerofu  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:39:52am

I remember the day OJ was acquitted. By chance, we had a fire drill and the entire office building was standing in a park waiting for the all-clear. All the African-Americans let out a big whoop as the news about OJ came out and everyone else was silent.

34 experiencedtraveller  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:40:23am

re: #21 jcm

Apparently he is looking at some hard time...

35 SFGoth  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:41:50am

Hey OJ, the phrase is "get away with murder", not "get away with armed robbery". Dope. Seriously though, he had it *all* until he fucked up. Superstar, HOF RB. Decent acting career. Really liked by white America. But then it all went to his head, and his hands....

36 Sol Roth  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:42:01am

re: #33 centerofu

I remember the day OJ was acquitted. By chance, we had a fire drill and the entire office building was standing in a park waiting for the all-clear. All the African-Americans let out a big whoop as the news about OJ came out and everyone else was silent.

Raaaaaysthisth!

/

37 debutaunt  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:42:12am

OJ said he won't be able to go to his kid's graduations. I'll bet Fred Goldman will have a retort to that.

38 amphibian  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:42:40am

Classic Greek style. Hubris made the man commit murder and think he could get away with it, and hubris made him think he could continue to do whatever pleased him. Only this time he did not have the Wookie Defense to get him off.

I would say something about justice coming late, at least, but I seem to recall something a few years ago, where Mr. Simpson got into a fender-bender and made the other party feel distinctly uneasy (football players, ever retired ones, tend to be HUGE!). It should be a good thing for everyone for this dangerous man to be removed from the streets.

39 itellu3times  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:42:48am

Maybe in prison he'll have more luck finding the real killer.

40 luvb3ingcrazy  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:43:05am

re: #32 Sol Roth

lol
yuck!

41 fmfnavydoc  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:43:34am

Verdict happened 13 years too late...but justice has been served. Wonder what Garcetti, Clark and Harden are thinking now....

Look at how far the mighty have fallen - once one of the greatest football players/running backs to put on a helmet, now a convicted felon...

Karma is a bitch, ain't it, Juice...

42 Pastorius  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:44:01am

I pray you, in your letters,
When you shall these unlucky deeds relate,
Speak of me as I am; nothing extenuate,
Nor set down aught in malice: then, must you speak
Of one that lov'd not wisely but too well;
Of one not easily jealous, but, being wrought,
Perplex'd in the extreme; of one whose hand,
Like the base Indian, threw a pearl away
Richer than all his tribe; of one whose subdu'd eyes
Albeit unused to the melting mood,
Drop tears as fast as the Arabian trees
Their med'cinable gum. Set you down this;
And say besides, that in Aleppo once,
Where a malignant and a turban'd Turk
Beat a Venetian and traduc'd the state,
I took by the throat the circumcised dog,
And smote him thus.
--Othello

43 Blastforth  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:44:52am

This reinforces my hopeful if not naive belief that all @$$holes eventually get what's coming to them.

44 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:45:40am

Does this mean OJ is now disqualified from voting next month?

45 debutaunt  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:45:55am

re: #42 Pastorius

Las Vegas smote back.

46 Armed  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:46:29am

No doubt he will continue the search for his wife's killer while in prison.

47 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:46:30am

re: #38 amphibian

What's the Wookie Defense?

48 amphibian  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:46:53am

re: #23 MJ

I'll wait for the appeal process to work it's way through the court. When it comes to OJ and the Courts, I take a wait and see attitude.

I think the testicle spent a large chunk of his money getting away with murder. You know, the last time around. He seemed to be able to afford to eat and play golf and stuff between then and now, but I don't think he's got enough change to make a mockery of justice a second time.

49 J'accuzzi  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:47:48am

Tough decisions ahead. Eat with the killers? Robbers? Athletes? Wrongly convicted? Old guys who went to the well once too often?

50 realwest  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:48:00am

re: #39 itellu3times
I can guarantee that O.J. will find the real murder while he's in prison!

51 Osama Bin Asshat  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:48:04am

Whatever became of his children? Are they a gong show yet?

52 doppelganglander  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:48:44am

The Wookiee Defense:

The Chewbacca defense is a fictional legal strategy used in episode 27 of South Park, "Chef Aid", which premiered on October 7, 1998 as the fourteenth episode of the second season. The aim of the argument is to deliberately confuse the jury. The concept satirized attorney Johnnie Cochran's closing argument defending O. J. Simpson in his murder trial.

This last statement is a parody of Johnnie Cochran's closing arguments in the O. J. Simpson murder case where he states to the jury: "If it doesn't fit, you must acquit," in reference to an earlier point in the trial when prosecutor Christopher Darden asked Mr. Simpson to try on a bloody glove found at the murder scene, and Mr. Simpson could not put it on because it did not fit his hand. [1]

53 rightymouse  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:48:50am

re: #43 Blastforth

This reinforces my hopeful if not naive belief that all @$$holes eventually get what's coming to them.

It's called Karma. And it's not a naive belief. Have seen it happen many, many times.

54 Dianna  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:48:54am

re: #48 amphibian

He spent $10 million.

As I said, on the day he was acquitted: Isn't it nice what money will buy in this country?

55 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:48:54am

Yawn.

56 victor_yugo  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:48:57am

re: #38 amphibian

Classic Greek style. Hubris made the man commit murder and think he could get away with it, and hubris made him think he could continue to do whatever pleased him.

I disagree. Orenthal James Simpson made himself commit murder and armed robbery. He embraced hubris willingly; he was not made to do anything he didn't want to do.

57 ScottG  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:49:08am

re: #4 RoughRider

Is downtown Las Vegas burning yet?

Hell no! We own guns here....

58 coquimbojoe  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:49:35am

I have never been prouder to be from Las Vegas.

59 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:49:39am

re: #47 MandyManners

What's the Wookie Defense?

Never mind. My head just exploded.

60 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:49:59am

I wonder if he'll write a children's book while he's in prison.

61 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:50:22am

I saw this t-shirt years ago:

"Drink Apple Juice because OJ will kill you."

62 OldLineTexan  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:50:31am

re: #47 MandyManners

What's the Wookie Defense?

It'sfrom an episode of South Park featuring a mockery of Johnny Cochran.

63 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:50:33am

re: #47 MandyManners

What's the Wookie Defense?

South Park.

"It DOES NOT make sense... why would an 8 foot Wookie come from a planet filled with 2 foot Ewoks? It DOES NOT make sense.

Therefore, you must acquit."

64 victor_yugo  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:51:11am

Story now rated +5.

Sorry, Charles. I tried.

65 Sol Roth  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:51:23am

Many notorious and famous people wind up getting whacked in the joint because another sociopath wants to make a name for himself.

Just sayin'.

66 realwest  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:51:41am

re: #60 Noam Sayin'
HEY NOAM! That was, if I do say so myself, a little bit much - a childrens book?! Sorry, time can affect one's memory but I thought OJ killed two adults?

67 OldLineTexan  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:52:03am

re: #66 realwest

HEY NOAM! That was, if I do say so myself, a little bit much - a childrens book?! Sorry, time can affect one's memory but I thought OJ killed two adults?

Mumia reference.

68 Arkay  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:52:05am

Schadenfreude. n. The exquisite delight one feels in the misfortunes of others. From the German (where else?).

69 victor_yugo  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:52:32am

re: #66 realwest

HEY NOAM! That was, if I do say so myself, a little bit much - a childrens book?! Sorry, time can affect one's memory but I thought OJ killed two adults?

The kiddie book trick worked for Tookie Williams.

/not

70 debutaunt  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:52:48am

re: #64 victor_yugo

Story now rated +5.

Sorry, Charles. I tried.

Everybody - go back and reverse your up vote.

71 realwest  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:52:54am

re: #58 coquimbojoe
Heh. Think how proud you'll feel when you vote Dingy Harry Reid out of office!

72 victor_yugo  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:53:03am

re: #68 Arkay

Schadenfreude. n. The exquisite delight one feels in the misfortunes of others. From the German (where else?).

Literally, "damage-joy".

73 OldLineTexan  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:53:45am

re: #67 OldLineTexan

Ack! Right, Tookie. Had my excrement in human form idolized by empty-headed libs mixed up.

74 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:53:55am

re: #65 Sol Roth

Many notorious and famous people wind up getting whacked in the joint because another sociopath wants to make a name for himself.

Just sayin'.

Dahmer.

75 realwest  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:54:09am

re: #67 OldLineTexan
and
re: #69 victor_yugo

Gah, sorry y'all (and especially you NOAM!) I forgot about all that.
Sigh.

76 JohnSteele  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:54:39am

My 22 year old daughter just told me that all of the people that she communictes with who are voting for Obama are very upset that Simpson is going to jail.

Hmmm. I wonder what to make of that.

77 amphibian  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:54:44am

re: #47 MandyManners

What's the Wookie Defense?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Video is probably findable somewhere as well.

78 poopeedoo  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:55:17am

#8 Tilli

A bit crass, don't ya think?

79 OldLineTexan  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:55:47am

re: #74 MandyManners

Dahmer.

Dahmer was a foregone conclusion. My brother was a prison guard at Huntsville (main location Texas Department of Corrections) for four years. He told me kiddie molesters and wife beaters/murderers were extra points in some sort of prison score-keeping practice.

80 realwest  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:56:06am

re: #76 JohnSteele
I wouldn't worry about it too much - they are, after all, ahem, young folk ya know

81 DeafDog  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:56:28am

My two cents - His life is a story for the ages. If Shakespere wrote this story, no one would have believed it. But there it is.

82 Adrenalyn  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:56:53am

Charles
I am having problems seeing the ding counter
and when I hit quote or reply
it tosses me back to the home page
and it was not doing this 30 minutes ago

you change some code this morning ?

83 Macker  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:56:56am

I LOVE Drudge's Headline!
My only hope, as OJ begins his incarceration which is likely to last the rest of his life, is that he DOESN'T convert to Islam. He may be a son of a bitch, but I don't want him over on their side.

84 Sol Roth  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:57:03am

re: #76 JohnSteele

My 22 year old daughter just told me that all of the people that she communictes with who are voting for Obama are very upset that Simpson is going to jail.

Hmmm. I wonder what to make of that.

Socialism is a mental disorder. It gets people killed. Sometimes by the cattle-car load.

85 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:57:04am

Two years before he killed Nicole and Ron Goldman, I had a memorable afternoon of drinking with OJ at the 1992 Olympics in Barcelona. We were all working for NBC at the time. He was incredibly charming and generous. But in spite of that fond memory, I never doubted for a minute that he committed the murders and I'm glad he'll be punished, albeit for a far lesser crime than murder.

86 NoSubmission  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:57:21am

Glad he's finally off the streets. :)

The man has no conscience. I feel for his children and for the families of Ron and Nicole.

87 coquimbojoe  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:57:22am

re: #71 realwest

See, having vote him in mitigates that sense of pride I have right now. Do he and Pelosi share the same brain cell?

88 Dianna  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:57:36am

re: #66 realwest

HEY NOAM! That was, if I do say so myself, a little bit much - a childrens book?! Sorry, time can affect one's memory but I thought OJ killed two adults?

Tookie Williams killed at least four adults. Then someone wrote - and his name was pasted on - a couple books for kids.

I believe Occasional Reader discovered that the books had sold 300 copies.

89 Macker  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:57:46am

re: #76 JohnSteele

My 22 year old daughter just told me that all of the people that she communictes with who are voting for Obama are very upset that Simpson is going to jail.

Hmmm. I wonder what to make of that.

It means that all of us who oppose Obama are RACISTS!

90 OldLineTexan  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:57:55am

re: #81 DeafDog

My two cents - His life is a story for the ages. If Shakespere wrote this story, no one would have believed it. But there it is.

OJ and Len Bias, two guideposts on the road of life for pro athletes, each with a big skull and crossbones DANGER sign hung on it.

91 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:58:23am

May the chains rest heavily on his guilty ass.

92 smokefire  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:58:29am

Guess Mark Fuerman was not a witness, and Johnny Cochrane is dead.

93 Dianna  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:58:38am

re: #69 victor_yugo

Right up until he was lethally injected.

94 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:58:57am

re: #53 rightymouse

It's called Karma. And it's not a naive belief. Have seen it happen many, many times.

Not to be a pedantic prick, but this is not Karma. The idea of Karma depends on reincarnation.

This is "just desserts".

95 Psaturn  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:59:15am

What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas

Maybe for several years...behind the bars...

96 Dianna  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:59:25am

re: #74 MandyManners

Dahmer.

I've long suspected that was actually a hit, paid for by one of the families.

97 amphibian  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:59:33am

re: #56 victor_yugo

I disagree. Orenthal James Simpson made himself commit murder and armed robbery. He embraced hubris willingly; he was not made to do anything he didn't want to do.

So hey, either a defective empathy gene or acquired narcissism made the douche think it was his right to do anything, even commit murder. Same difference.

Lizards, it's a beautiful day outside in Minneapolis. Soon winter will be here and all amphibians will have to go hibernate. I'll go out and play while I can.

98 poopeedoo  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:59:33am

Charles, I'm having the same problem as #82 Adrenalyn.

99 smokefire  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:00:04am

....if doesn't fit, you must acquit,
but the jury spoke and in jail you'll sit

100 smokefire  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:00:33am

in jail he'll sit, till we read his obit.

101 Adrenalyn  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:00:44am

#98
hey, maybe I'll get my first hat tip then
/just kidding

102 doppelganglander  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:01:44am

re: #96 Dianna

I've long suspected that was actually a hit, paid for by one of the families.

Was there any particular reason you thought that? A connection between the killer and one of the families, maybe? I'm kind of a true crime fanatic and that never occurred to me.

103 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:01:46am

re: #83 Macker

I LOVE Drudge's Headline!
My only hope, as OJ begins his incarceration which is likely to last the rest of his life, is that he DOESN'T convert to Islam. He may be a son of a bitch, but I don't want him over on their side.

Who cares? His actions equal the murderous thuggery and total disrespect for human rights of others, just as Islam..

104 Macker  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:03:13am

re: #103 unrealizedviewpoint

I still care about his soul.

105 NoSubmission  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:03:22am

re: #96 Dianna

I've long suspected that was actually a hit, paid for by one of the families.


It's called prison justice, and its free.

106 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:03:36am
107 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:04:25am

re: #97 amphibian

Lizards, it's a beautiful day outside in Minneapolis. Soon winter will be here and all amphibians will have to go hibernate. I'll go out and play while I can.

Agreed. I also think it's a good day to fire up a pot of chili, then take a scooter rider while the crockpot works its magic.

Check ya later, all.

108 Macker  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:04:37am

re: #106 ploome hineni

As long as he still lives and breathes, he has the opportunity to come clean.

109 DeafDog  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:04:56am

re: #90 OldLineTexan

OJ and Len Bias, two guideposts on the road of life for pro athletes, each with a big skull and crossbones DANGER sign hung on it.

I understand your point, but there is a difference between the two that I feel compelled to point out.

I grew up in ACC country and I am a HUGE Len Bias fan. Having Len's Life cut short was devestating to me (I was in HS at the time). It hurt at a very personal level even though I had never met him. He was a young kid who fell into the wrong crowd...happens all the time, but because of his great athletecism it was national news.

OJ was a more accomplished athlete who had it all. Then threw it away....lust, vanity, narcism, greed, glutiny, etc., all played a role. OJ's demise is his just dessert.

110 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:04:59am

Oops. Forgot to quote that.

Where you at in the Twin Cities, Amphibian?

111 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:05:58am

re: #104 Macker

I still care about his soul.

You mean the soul of OJ, if he has, shall, if exists, spend eternity in Hell?

112 Dianna  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:06:41am

re: #102 doppelganglander

Was there any particular reason you thought that? A connection between the killer and one of the families, maybe? I'm kind of a true crime fanatic and that never occurred to me.

The man who killed Dahmer was already in for life, no possibility of parole. One of the fathers indicated a more than usual degree of satisfaction.

There was a story - it may have been one of those ridiculous rumors that flies for no particular reason - that the killer's daughter received a scholarship from a board that the father referenced above was an influential member of.

I read that as a very interesting speculation. I do not present it as fact, but (if I could remember any of the names involved, it would help) as one of the most interesting speculations I'd ever read.

113 Edgar  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:07:32am

re: #65 Sol Roth

Many notorious and famous people wind up getting whacked in the joint because another sociopath wants to make a name for himself.

Just sayin'.

He'll be in protective custody. Probably get a racquetball course to himself.

114 FlakMusic  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:07:53am

Headline of the Day:

OJ's Hunt For Nicole's Killer Ends

Courtesy of Small Dead Animals blog.

115 OldLineTexan  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:07:56am

re: #109 DeafDog

Of course they're different. I made no attempt to equate them other than as object lessons for fame and fortune.

116 Macker  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:08:10am

re: #111 unrealizedviewpoint

Please see Post #108.

117 Quilly Mammoth  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:08:26am

I'm _so_ sick of OJ.

118 Pianobuff  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:08:30am

OT and unbelievable: Alec Baldwin takes shots at Dems/Frank for the meltdown on Bill Maher.

Yes, that's a pig flying by your window....

119 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:08:52am

Kinda like Grandma used to say, "He made his stainless steel bed, now let him sleep in it."

120 The Other Les  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:09:14am

re: #39 itellu3times

Maybe in prison he'll have more luck finding the real killer.

I don't think they have proper mirrors in prison.

121 DeafDog  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:09:40am

re: #108 Macker

As long as he still lives and breathes, he has the opportunity to come clean.

Yes he does. But the hurdle for him to do so is high. He not only needs to pay his pennance for the crimes that he was found guilty for, he would also need to come clean on the ones he got away with....I have doubts.

122 Edgar  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:10:01am

re: #111 unrealizedviewpoint

You mean the soul of OJ, if he has, shall, if exists, spend eternity in Hell?

If Hell exists, yes. I hope he spends at least a few million years there.

123 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:10:19am

re: #118 Pianobuff

OT and unbelievable: Alec Baldwin takes shots at Dems/Frank for the meltdown on Bill Maher.

Yes, that's a pig flying by your window....

Wow.

124 OldLineTexan  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:10:44am

re: #123 MandyManners

Wow.

Yes...who is that, and what has he done with Alec Baldwin?

125 Macker  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:10:46am

re: #121 DeafDog

Yes he does. But the hurdle for him to do so is high. He not only needs to pay his pennance for the crimes that he was found guilty for, he would also need to come clean on the ones he got away with....I have doubts.

I don't disagree with you in the least. Still.

126 OldLineTexan  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:11:13am

re: #118 Pianobuff

OT and unbelievable: Alec Baldwin takes shots at Dems/Frank for the meltdown on Bill Maher.

Yes, that's a pig flying by your window....

Threadworthy, unless I missed something.

127 Dianna  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:11:33am

re: #117 Quilly Mammoth

I'm _so_ sick of OJ.

It's a limbering exercise.

128 The Other Les  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:12:01am

re: #76 JohnSteele

My 22 year old daughter just told me that all of the people that she communictes with who are voting for Obama are very upset that Simpson is going to jail.

Hmmm. I wonder what to make of that.

They're idiots.

129 doppelganglander  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:12:28am

re: #112 Dianna

That is very interesting. I guess we'll never know.

130 Pianobuff  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:12:46am

re: #126 OldLineTexan

Threadworthy, unless I missed something.

re: #126 OldLineTexan

Posted as a spinoff link, too. I wouldn't have believed it unless I saw it with my own eyes and heard it with my own ears.

131 DeafDog  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:12:52am

re: #115 OldLineTexan

Of course they're different. I made no attempt to equate them other than as object lessons for fame and fortune.

I know you did since you bought up Len. I just didn't want any lizard unfamiliar with the Len Bias story to get the wrong impression. That tragedy still makes me sad. He was better than Jordan.

132 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:12:54am
133 OldLineTexan  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:13:23am

re: #130 Pianobuff

Bless you, I cannot watch Bill Maher.

134 The Other Les  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:14:07am

re: #79 OldLineTexan

Dahmer was a foregone conclusion. My brother was a prison guard at Huntsville (main location Texas Department of Corrections) for four years. He told me kiddie molesters and wife beaters/murderers were extra points in some sort of prison score-keeping practice.

If you will pardon me for asking the obligatory sick question, but, how many points for a cannibal?

135 Airedale  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:14:17am

which canidate does OJ endorse ?

136 DeafDog  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:14:56am

re: #118 Pianobuff

OT and unbelievable: Alec Baldwin takes shots at Dems/Frank for the meltdown on Bill Maher.

Yes, that's a pig flying by your window....

I was thinking about different lines McCain might go for on Tuesday. Since he's already called (justifiably in my opinion) for the resignation of Cox at the SEC, he should call on Dodd and Franks to resign from the chairmenships, too.....in a McCain/Palin adminstration, results have consequence!

137 doppelganglander  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:15:04am

re: #118 Pianobuff

OT and unbelievable: Alec Baldwin takes shots at Dems/Frank for the meltdown on Bill Maher.

Yes, that's a pig flying by your window....

That's a whole squadron of pigs flying past my window and blocking out the sun. I will now feel less guilty about laughing my head off at 30 Rock.

138 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:15:04am
139 heretic  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:15:11am

I wonder how the black jury in LA who acquitted him feel now. As well as all the black folks seen dancing in the streets back then, celebrating their mutual victory over Da Man by releasing a red-blooded murderer.

Oh, well. I guess all the Juice supporters have transferred their allegiance to B. Hussein so it won't hurt as much that OJ finally went down.

140 realwest  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:15:16am

re: #118 Pianobuff
Excellent post and link - thank you!

141 DoubleU  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:15:32am

re: #33 centerofu

I remember the day OJ was acquitted. By chance, we had a fire drill and the entire office building was standing in a park waiting for the all-clear. All the African-Americans let out a big whoop as the news about OJ came out and everyone else was silent.

I was at college and the college had a monitor setup in the main lobby, somebody snapped a picture of the crowd as the verdict was read. Same sort of reaction. Jaws dropped or excited smiles.

142 The Other Les  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:16:22am

re: #83 Macker

I LOVE Drudge's Headline!
My only hope, as OJ begins his incarceration which is likely to last the rest of his life, is that he DOESN'T convert to Islam. He may be a son of a bitch, but I don't want him over on their side.

Why?

Islam was founded by a child molester and mass murdering psychopath, what could OJ do to "improve" on that?

143 OldLineTexan  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:17:18am

re: #134 The Other Les

If you will pardon me for asking the obligatory sick question, but, how many points for a cannibal?

No clue, but I can tell you this: the serious cons are all badasses, and everyone steps around them. If you're in the joint, you want to be a badass or you will be the victim or dead. One way to prove you're a badass is to harm the inmates that even the other inmates cannot bear to see draw breath. That's what most if not all prison systems have segregated populations; to try and keep the notorious people like Dahmer alive.

Killing Dahmer in Texas would have made you King of the stinking unit.

144 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:17:21am
145 uptight  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:17:42am

This verdict was obviously racially motivated.

146 Dianna  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:17:46am

#118

From your link:

That someone as intellectually challenged as Alec Baldwin knows this, while virtually no major mainstream press members other than those on Fox News either do or are willing to admit it, is truly disgraceful.

A nice summation.

147 DeafDog  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:18:04am

re: #125 Macker

I don't disagree with you in the least. Still.


Not only that, but because he decided to profess his innocence, he can't do it privately. OJ's trial caused the whole country harm. He's got to make a public display of his guilt.

148 HoosierHoops  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:18:17am

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149 Dianna  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:18:26am

re: #129 doppelganglander

That is very interesting. I guess we'll never know.

Just as well. If we knew, there would be a new crime: solicitation of murder.

150 The Other Les  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:18:32am

re: #97 amphibian

So hey, either a defective empathy gene or acquired narcissism made the douche think it was his right to do anything, even commit murder. Same difference.

Lizards, it's a beautiful day outside in Minneapolis. Soon winter will be here and all amphibians will have to go hibernate. I'll go out and play while I can.

I have to agree with you on that.

I should be going out for a walk.

151 OldLineTexan  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:18:45am

re: #135 Airedale

which canidate does OJ endorse ?

I am betting Cynthia McKinney.

152 Dianna  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:19:11am

re: #133 OldLineTexan

Bless you, I cannot watch Bill Maher.

It wasn't on Maher. Some other political comedy show.

153 Josephine  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:19:56am

I don't know, Charles, it's pretty bad when Stinky Beaumont dings you down.

(LOL.)

154 OldLineTexan  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:20:06am

re: #152 Dianna

It wasn't on Maher. Some other political comedy show.

HBO Real Time, hosted by Bill Maher.

155 Archimedes  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:20:16am

My down ding just put her in the negative. -1 for the thread.

156 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:21:00am

He should consider himself lucky. He has been free for 13 years after slicing his wife's head off and murdering an innocent man.

157 Olderthandirt  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:21:09am

#11: Under the greatly revised Constitution, Pres. Obama will in fact pardon OJ for his "so-called" criminal acts. In fact, also, Pres. O. will appoint OJ to be "The Youth for Obama" leader for life.

There'll be a torch light parade in the evening when OJ is released from his purgatory with mandatory attendance by all "TYO Blue Shirters."

158 Dianna  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:21:18am

re: #136 DeafDog

He can call on them to resign as often as he likes. Even if McCain becomes president, there isn't a thing he can do to them.

159 coquimbojoe  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:21:22am

re: #141 DoubleU

I was at college and the college had a monitor setup in the main lobby, somebody snapped a picture of the crowd as the verdict was read. Same sort of reaction. Jaws dropped or excited smiles.

It was that day I really realized the chasm between whites and blacks in the way we view things. It seemed so obvious to most what the truth was, but the differences in what we saw the truth to be, was stunning.

(Yes, yes, huge generalizations, no, nothing racist, just my own surprise and confusion on display.) I have never heard anyone clearly elucidate the joy some felt. Where did that come from and what was the joy about?

160 rednaxela  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:21:28am

WAPO:

William Ayres, whom the McCain campaign regularly calls a domestic terrorist because of his acts of violence against the U.S. government in the 1960s.


[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

161 looking closely  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:22:08am

Good recap of the original incident here, for those who missed it:

[Link: www.lasvegassun.com...]

162 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:22:14am

I wonder how long it will take the American people to wake up to the fact that many democrats in congress are corrupt.

Sure hope it's not another 13 years.

163 alien_mind  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:22:46am

here's a good one from the great Mark Steyn.
his take on the VP debate.
The riff at the end regarding Joe Biden's "diner of the mind" is hysterical.

164 OldLineTexan  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:23:08am

re: #160 rednaxela

WAPO:


[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Yes, that "domestic" label is rather sexist.

"Terrorist" should do nicely. "Convicted felon" would be more to my taste, but there was some crazy shiite done in the US in the post-Viet Nam era.

165 centerofu  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:23:14am

re: #141 DoubleU

It was wierd. I didn't care one way or the other. I've been on juries - it's HARD to convict someone. People will bend over backwards and really take the "beyond a reasonable doubt" seriously.
But those who did care, cared ALOT, and no other opinion was welcome. In fact, no other opinion was even offered - everyone just kept quiet, including me.
Wierd, wierd, wierd.

166 The Other Les  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:23:31am

re: #144 ploome hineni

how long before he converts?

lets take bets

Not being employed at the moment I must respectfully decline the invitation.

167 Dianna  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:23:48am

re: #154 OldLineTexan

Some female was hosting. I don't recognize her.

168 Dianna  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:24:43am

re: #156 FrogMarch

Nicole Brown's head was attached to her body. Don't add to the horror.

169 DeafDog  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:24:43am

re: #158 Dianna

He can call on them to resign as often as he likes. Even if McCain becomes president, there isn't a thing he can do to them.

I disagree. It's the 'bully-pulpit" argument. Certainly he can't call for him to resign their office (Dodd can stay in the Senate and Franks can stay in the house till their voters wake-up). But an honerable President could call for them to resign from their positions as the head of the banking committees. If the public sides with the president, it'll happen.

170 lostlakehiker  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:24:45am

In deciding on a sentence, the judge needs to take into account prior brushes with the law. While this cannot include his double murder, since against all the law and evidence he was acquitted, it can include his prior violent behavior, his felonious flight from arrest before trial, and other documented legal wrongdoings. These will have to be entered into some computer database. Assemble a mass of cases in which somebody committed a similar offense and had a similar record. Let the sentence be the average of what those other guys got.

That way, it cannot be argued later that he just got slammed because the judge was looking for a way to belatedly punish him for the murders.

He's home free on that one, as far as criminal penalties go. Mr. Mark of Cain. This time is different. Do it right, do it by the numbers. Make it unchallengeable. If that means less than life, so be it.

171 realwest  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:25:04am

re: #160 rednaxela
I love it - "whom the McCain campaign calls..."? HELLO! Anyone home at WAPO?
And besides which it was the 70's.

172 Dianna  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:25:38am

re: #169 DeafDog

I'd call that wishful thinking.

More, it assumes either man has any shame. Clearly, they don't.

173 Syrah  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:25:39am

re: #167 Dianna

Some female was hosting. I don't recognize her.

She looked and sounded like Christiane Amanpour.

174 Joe Six Pack  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:25:57am

Rest easier in peace now, Ron Goldman and Nicole Simpson. Hopefully you'll burn in Hell after you die in prison, OJ. And cheers to the entire Goldman family!

175 OldLineTexan  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:26:21am

re: #167 Dianna

Some female was hosting. I don't recognize her.

I don't mean to be obtuse, but that's not what the transcript on the link shows. What did I miss? I see a remark clearly labelled "Bill Maher, Host".

BALDWIN: I put the rosin on my glove.

SHANDLING: I love it. C'mon, let's get it on.

BALDWIN: Let's get it on.

BILL MAHER, HOST: What is your...

BALDWIN: I'm gonna rape you...The, the thing we have to remember, a friend of mine who is very close to the financial community in New York pointed out that Democrats have a lot of the responsibility for this as well. I mean, it was Clinton who killed the Glass-Steagall, and it happened under a Democratic president. Barney Frank and his committee, they, they kept propping up Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac saying everything's fine, everything's fine, everything's good. And it was his job to know everything wasn't fine. And Barney Frank let you down and let us down as well. And so, but I want to say there's blame to go both ways. But I will say, I want to, I maybe keep beating this to death, but I still think anyone in this Congress who voted to add $140 billion to that bill, they should be ashamed of themselves. That is a disgrace. It's a disgrace. This Congress is a disgrace, Democrat and Republican.

176 Archimedes  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:26:29am

McCain should send out fliers with his positive agenda. And I mean things like cutting taxes, reducing spending, fighting Islamo-fascists.

All I'm getting in the mail and on my answering machine are pro-Obama/anti-McCain advertisements.

This is a war and McCain hasn't shown up on the battle field.

177 centerofu  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:26:33am

re: #159 coquimbojoe


Yes! What was the joy about? I know exactly what you're talking about. I guess I didn't understand the joy - there was no comparable rage on the other side.

178 lostlakehiker  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:27:46am

re: #157 Olderthandirt

#11: Under the greatly revised Constitution, Pres. Obama will in fact pardon OJ for his "so-called" criminal acts. In fact, also, Pres. O. will appoint OJ to be "The Youth for Obama" leader for life.

There'll be a torch light parade in the evening when OJ is released from his purgatory with mandatory attendance by all "TYO Blue Shirters."

Somehow I have the sneaking suspicion that it's not purgatory that's in store for this guy. I wouldn't presume to ask Higher Authority for strict justice in this case or almost any case. Bad karma; strict justice is scary. Still, how good can his chances be?

179 Gorgon Zola  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:28:32am

Al qaeda bomber ring bigwig killed gets no mention in Seattle Times,,,

,,mustn't have anyone thinking we are having successes there or that Iraq has functioned as a "honeypot" ensnaring jihadi flies who'd come coming to kill some kafirs,,

180 Archimedes  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:28:56am

re: #177 centerofu

Yes! What was the joy about? I know exactly what you're talking about. I guess I didn't understand the joy - there was no comparable rage on the other side.

O.J. is persona-non-grata most everywhere he goes. That's something.

181 Dianna  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:29:18am

re: #175 OldLineTexan

I missed that - probably because of Baldwin's next remark - gah!

Sorry.

Literally, I never noticed Maher.

182 Joe Six Pack  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:29:54am

Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown-Simpson were unavailable to comment...

183 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:31:47am

While at newsbusters reading about alec's flying pig moment I saw this:
F Is For Ifill: Gwen Ifill Failed the Moderator Test

184 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:32:36am

He only got convicted because he was a black man.

/sarc

185 DeafDog  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:32:37am

re: #172 Dianna

I'd call that wishful thinking.

More, it assumes either man has any shame. Clearly, they don't.

While I understand your scepticism, I respectfully disagree with your conclusion. The decision makers, in this case, are Reid and Pelosi (they decide on the chairmenships). If the president were to make political hay about the needing better banking committe chairmen and kept throwing up Franks and Dodd in their face (and the president's minions were doing the same on the pundit TV), then it is more than wishful thinking.

In fact, this tactic is exactly what McCain has said he will do to reduce/eliminate earmarks. He will make a public issue of them and if a Senator X wants to spend money foolishly, he will call that senator out publically to have the spending removed.

186 realwest  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:32:40am

re: #163 alien_mind
Thank you for that post and link. Love Mark Steyn and that column was spot on.

187 lostlakehiker  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:32:59am

re: #159 coquimbojoe

It was that day I really realized the chasm between whites and blacks in the way we view things. It seemed so obvious to most what the truth was, but the differences in what we saw the truth to be, was stunning.

(Yes, yes, huge generalizations, no, nothing racist, just my own surprise and confusion on display.) I have never heard anyone clearly elucidate the joy some felt. Where did that come from and what was the joy about?

It was joy at payback. Remember the snickering white jury that acquitted some obviously guilty klansmen of a lynching? Back in Mississippi or wherever?

If you don't, you're probably young and white.

I don't believe for a minute that any demographic in this country is so clueless as to not have known in their bones that OJ dunnit. No differences in what we saw the truth to be. Just differences in what we saw justice to be. Justice in the case at hand? Or justice as in payback time?

188 SurferDoc  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:33:50am

re: #31 rightymouse

I remember watching the murder trial on TV and being dumbfounded by the unbelievably sloppy prosecution.

There's no doubt in my mind that he killed Nicole and Ron Goldman. I hope he rots in prison.

I had a friend at the time who was a courthouse insider during the trial. She told me that the Prosecution was very disheartened when Judge Ito was chosen. By the time the jury selection was over, the Prosecution knew they were doomed. That, according to my friend, is what we were seeing. They went through the motions because they had to but they felt the trial was over before it started.

189 Edgar  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:34:23am

re: #187 lostlakehiker

It was joy at payback. Remember the snickering white jury that acquitted some obviously guilty klansmen of a lynching? Back in Mississippi or wherever?

If you don't, you're probably young and white.

I don't believe for a minute that any demographic in this country is so clueless as to not have known in their bones that OJ dunnit. No differences in what we saw the truth to be. Just differences in what we saw justice to be. Justice in the case at hand? Or justice as in payback time?

Spot on.

190 wright1  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:34:25am

The Juice is no longer Loose

191 godfrey  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:34:31am

re: #187 lostlakehiker

Quite so. Another way of thinking about the divide is that there are those who think that justice applies to individuals, and those who think more in terms of aggrieved groups.

192 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:35:42am

re: #170 lostlakehiker

In deciding on a sentence, the judge needs to take into account prior brushes with the law. While this cannot include his double murder, since against all the law and evidence he was acquitted, it can include his prior violent behavior, his felonious flight from arrest before trial, and other documented legal wrongdoings. These will have to be entered into some computer database. Assemble a mass of cases in which somebody committed a similar offense and had a similar record. Let the sentence be the average of what those other guys got.

That way, it cannot be argued later that he just got slammed because the judge was looking for a way to belatedly punish him for the murders.

He's home free on that one, as far as criminal penalties go. Mr. Mark of Cain. This time is different. Do it right, do it by the numbers. Make it unchallengeable. If that means less than life, so be it.

From jurisdiction, judge to judge, sentences are far from equitable. This ain't no time to begin. I say fry him.

193 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:35:52am

I just got back from the docs. Anyone seen Mandy Manners this morning? I'm looking for Soros links that deal with his family back in Europe, mainly the stuff dealing with the Nazi's and his grandfather (I think) who was some advisor to the Riech. Anyone have those links? Mandy is suppose to have many, and she may have passed them on to others here.

194 OldLineTexan  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:36:02am

re: #191 godfrey

Quite so. Another way of thinking about the divide is that there are those who think that justice applies to individuals, and those who think more in terms of aggrieved groups.

Which is why Al Sharpton still makes money after the Brawley incident.

195 pingjockey  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:36:15am

OJs lawyer screwed up. 9 white women on the jury, of course they're RACIST! /////

196 Josephine  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:36:26am

If his convictions stand after his appeal(s), and he serves his full sentence, then justice in this case will have been served.

But, concerning the murders of Nicole Brown and Ronald Goldman, justice has not been served because OJ killed the only eyewitness.

197 lifeofthemind  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:36:57am

Hate having to feed the bum

198 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:37:55am

re: #193 Walter L. Newton

I just got back from the docs. Anyone seen Mandy Manners this morning? I'm looking for Soros links that deal with his family back in Europe, mainly the stuff dealing with the Nazi's and his grandfather (I think) who was some advisor to the Riech. Anyone have those links? Mandy is suppose to have many, and she may have passed them on to others here.

I'll post what I have. Hold on.

199 Pshawalaw  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:37:58am

What happens in Vegas keeps you in Vegas (or Nevada State Prison).

200 godfrey  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:38:17am

Better than having him on the street, though. He's obviously a dangerous mess.

201 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:38:22am

re: #198 MandyManners

I'll post what I have. Hold on.

Thanks

202 DeafDog  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:38:48am

re: #163 alien_mind

here's a good one from the great Mark Steyn.
his take on the VP debate.
The riff at the end regarding Joe Biden's "diner of the mind" is hysterical.

Good'un

203 wright1  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:39:03am

At least Fred Goldman can try to collect on his civil suit since O.J won't be burning money on golf courses and visits to the Playboy Mansion. It makes a private investigator's job a little easier with him behind bars.

204 DoubleU  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:40:04am

I don't think it was mentioned above but OJ was also arrested distributing fake satellite cards. The cards (or maybe the whole unit) was set up so the user could get all channels.

205 DeafDog  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:40:28am

re: #188 SurferDoc

I had a friend at the time who was a courthouse insider during the trial. She told me that the Prosecution was very disheartened when Judge Ito was chosen. By the time the jury selection was over, the Prosecution knew they were doomed. That, according to my friend, is what we were seeing. They went through the motions because they had to but they felt the trial was over before it started.


On the plus side, the OJ circus trial gave us greta van sustrand....I like her style.

206 godfrey  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:40:41am

lol

Is OJ sane? What a wreck.

207 Pshawalaw  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:41:35am

re: #203 wright1

At least Fred Goldman can try to collect on his civil suit since O.J won't be burning money on golf courses and visits to the Playboy Mansion. It makes a private investigator's job a little easier with him behind bars.

Interesting, OJ's home in Florida was protected from the Civil judgement, I wonder if that changes now that he has residence in Nevada?

208 Joe Six Pack  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:41:42am

Of course, none of this would have happened had that MORON democrat D.A. Gil Garcetti tried OJ in Contra Costa county, where the murders actually happened, because he would have been convicted there by intelligent jurors, instead of yielding to political correctness and moving the trial L.A. County, where the dummies on the jury slept through most of it, were too ignorant to understand the evidence, or decided because Simpson was black and the victims were white, he wasn't guilty. I choose to believe the latter...

209 DoubleU  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:42:05am

re: #193 Walter L. Newton

Soros is Jewish but I do know he did help the Nazi's, he is still big on the one world order idea.

210 Moe Katz  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:43:20am

I predicted this when he was acquitted the last time; my theory was that he would be seeking punishment. This fits a pattern with the partial confessions he has made during the intervening years, and the recent crime itself can be seen as a way of begging to get caught and locked up.

211 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:44:08am
212 DoubleU  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:44:15am

OJ and the DirectTV conviction.

213 DoubleU  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:45:22am

re: #211 MandyManners

There is also a Soros/McCain link.

214 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:45:24am

re: #209 DoubleU

Soros is Jewish but I do know he did help the Nazi's, he is still big on the one world order idea.

I think his grandfather helped the Nazi's, but anyway, Mandy is working up the links for me.

And yes, he does believe in a gobal government.

215 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:45:33am
216 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:45:48am

re: #213 DoubleU

There is also a Soros/McCain link.

Where?

217 Sol Roth  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:46:10am

re: #187 lostlakehiker

It was joy at payback. Remember the snickering white jury that acquitted some obviously guilty klansmen of a lynching? Back in Mississippi or wherever?

If you don't, you're probably young and white.

I don't believe for a minute that any demographic in this country is so clueless as to not have known in their bones that OJ dunnit. No differences in what we saw the truth to be. Just differences in what we saw justice to be. Justice in the case at hand? Or justice as in payback time?

So in the minds of those who cheered the decision, it's okay to brutally murder innocent white people to atone for verdicts that happened thirty years prior, in another State, in an unrelated crime with totally dissimilar participants?

218 Dianna  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:46:14am

re: #208 Joe Six Pack

Of course, none of this would have happened had that MORON democrat D.A. Gil Garcetti tried OJ in Contra Costa county, where the murders actually happened, because he would have been convicted there by intelligent jurors, instead of yielding to political correctness and moving the trial L.A. County, where the dummies on the jury slept through most of it, were too ignorant to understand the evidence, or decided because Simpson was black and the victims were white, he wasn't guilty. I choose to believe the latter...

What? What are you talking about?

Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman were killed in L.A. Contra Costa County had nothing to do with it!

219 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:46:57am
220 realwest  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:47:03am

re: #188 SurferDoc
Well I'm not doubting your friend, but I have to say that the way the prosecution tried the case aganst OJ, any judge, not just Ito, would've reacted and done pretty much the same thing.
That OJ's defense team was way above the DA's prosecution team was clear, especially on understanding DNA (which was, iirc, fairly new in the criminal justice system) but when the Assistant DA (who's name escapes me) wanted OJ to try on the glove, without knowing ahead of time whether or not the glove would fit, was a blunder of the first order.
You NEVER ask a question or pose a "drama" without knowing the answer or the outcome.
It was a long and complicated case that the DA presented, but when Johnny Cochrane said "if it doesn't fit, you must acquit" I had the feeling right then and there that unless OJ suddenly yelled out "I Did It", he was gonna walk.
In short, I think the DA blew it far more than Judge Ito did.

221 spidly  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:47:25am

will the Goldmans be able to go after his assets now?

222 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:47:53am

60 Minutes.

He discusses helping Nazis.

223 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:48:19am

OK, said this earlier. But, IMHO, my best/wittiest post every (which is not saying much...)

So sad for Mr. Simpson. But, on the bright side; he has a better chance of finding Nichole and Ron's murderer in a prison than on a golf course.

224 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:49:06am
225 Ron Shaw  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:49:10am

Wondering if he'll be free-on-bond pending all the appeals by his lawyers?
Hope not!

226 Dianna  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:49:37am

re: #220 realwest

The glove bit was the stupidest thing I've ever seen.

Do you remember the look Simpson shot Darden? "You are seriously going to let me do this? Chump!"

What did anyone thing Simpson was going to do?

The glove would have fit fine, in private.

227 Viking6  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:50:04am

What Happens Here - Stays Here

Warm regards from Sin City

228 coquimbojoe  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:50:23am

re: #187 lostlakehiker

It was joy at payback. Remember the snickering white jury that acquitted some obviously guilty klansmen of a lynching? Back in Mississippi or wherever?

If you don't, you're probably young and white.

I don't believe for a minute that any demographic in this country is so clueless as to not have known in their bones that OJ dunnit. No differences in what we saw the truth to be. Just differences in what we saw justice to be. Justice in the case at hand? Or justice as in payback time?

I'm 43 and I make mayonnaise look taupe... I figured that it had to be some kind of payback, but really, it sad when to innocent people lay gutted in their own blood, the killer is known, and there are those who celebrate. Sigh.

229 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:50:36am

re: #211 MandyManners

That will do it, I will send them on, someone I know wanted to read up on him. I'll save the links myself. Thanks bunches, golly gee, your grand.

230 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:51:34am

re: #229 Walter L. Newton

That will do it, I will send them on, someone I know wanted to read up on him. I'll save the links myself. Thanks bunches, golly gee, your grand.

See No. 222.

231 DoubleU  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:51:50am

re: #216 MandyManners

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]
[Link: www.humanevents.com...]
[Link: www.amnation.com...]

232 coquimbojoe  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:51:51am

re: #227 Viking6

What Happens Here - Stays Here

Warm regards from Sin City

You in Vegas? I am in Henderson, we got Vegas Rick in the North and someone else came out as a Sin City Lizard. We might have a quorum soon...

233 So?  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:52:05am

not even worth discussing...

234 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:52:19am

re: #228 coquimbojoe

Bet I'm whiter than you. Of course, when you're fat, it's called, "Pasty".

I'm whiter than John Gibson.

235 WindHorse  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:52:42am

gee OJ, all that "free" time in the slammer.... whatchya' gonna do with all of it?
Maybe explore the limits of your sexuality a little?

(or maybe share in the exploration of others' sexuality perhaps)

236 LGoPs  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:52:46am

re: #211 MandyManners

[Link: www.sorosmonitor.com...]

[Link: www.frontpagemagazine.com...]

[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

[Link: www.fpp.co.uk...]

[Link: www.investors.com...]

[Link: www.ibdeditorials.com...]

[Link: sweetness-light.com...]

[Link: www.stentorian.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: rotenochsen.wordpress.com...]

I have a few more but, these should help you start.


I know this is off-topic for this thread but it drives me nuts knowing that if Soros were supporting McCain the media would be stampeding each other in their rush to get a Pulitzer by reporting on his ruthless and ill-gotten gains.

237 Viking6  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:52:47am

re: #232 coquimbojoe
Hi up in Lone Mountain soon moving down to the Strip.

238 IslandLibertarian  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:52:50am

And as it is appointed unto man once to die, but after this the judgment.
Hebrews 9:27

239 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:52:55am

re: #229 Walter L. Newton

KROFT: (Voiceover) And you watched lots of people get shipped off to the death camps.

Mr. SOROS: Right. I was 14 years old. And I would say that that's when my character was made.

KROFT: In what way?

Mr. SOROS: That one should think ahead. One should understand and–and anticipate events and when–when one is threatened. It was a tremendous threat of evil. I mean, it was a–a very personal experience of evil.

KROFT: My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours who swore that you were his adopted godson.

Mr. SOROS: Yes. Yes.

KROFT: Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews.

Mr. SOROS: Yes. That's right. Yes.

KROFT: I mean, that's–that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many years. Was it difficult?

Mr. SOROS: Not–not at all. Not at all. Maybe as a child you don't–you don't see the connection. But it was–it created no–no problem at all.

KROFT: No feeling of guilt?

Mr. SOROS: No.

KROFT: For example that, 'I'm Jewish and here I am, watching these people go. I could just as easily be there. I should be there.' None of that?

Mr. SOROS: Well, of course I c–I could be on the other side or I could be the one from whom the thing is being taken away. But there was no sense that I shouldn't be there, because that was–well, actually, in a funny way, it's just like in markets–that if I weren't there–of course, I wasn't doing it, but somebody else would–would–would be taking it away anyhow. And it was the–whether I was there or not, I was only a spectator, the property was being taken away. So the–I had no role in taking away that property. So I had no sense of guilt.

240 jcm  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:53:06am

re: #226 Dianna

The glove bit was the stupidest thing I've ever seen.

Do you remember the look Simpson shot Darden? "You are seriously going to let me do this? Chump!"

What did anyone thing Simpson was going to do?

The glove would have fit fine, in private.

The prosecution was bunch of bumbling incompetent idiots. The judge was a spineless balless weasel who let the defense turn his court into a circus.

The trial should have been days. Three peoples blood, the murderer and the victims, at the murder scene, in OJ vehicle and home.

Done deal.

241 So?  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:54:16am

re: #230 MandyManners

See No. 222.

Hey Mandy, I've been seeing number 222
for 15 years on a regular basis.


clock, cash register, license plates, even your post...what does it all mean?
I would even wake up in the middle of the night at precisely 2:22.

242 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:54:21am

re: #231 DoubleU

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]
[Link: www.humanevents.com...]
[Link: www.amnation.com...]

WND? No thanks. I'd believe something from IBD or DTN.

243 Joe Six Pack  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:54:29am

re: #218 Dianna

What? What are you talking about?

Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman were killed in L.A. Contra Costa County had nothing to do with it!

They were killed in BRENTWOOD which is in Contra Costa county, dear...

244 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:54:49am

re: #241 So?

Hey Mandy, I've been seeing number 222
for 15 years on a regular basis.


clock, cash register, license plates, even your post...what does it all mean?
I would even wake up in the middle of the night at precisely 2:22.

One-third of the Beast?

245 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:54:51am

Isn't it kinda funny (not in a ha ha way) how raw we still are about scumbag?

246 realwest  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:55:37am

re: #226 Dianna
I don't know if the glove would have fit fine in private, but it sure didn't in the courtroom and that's all that mattered.
BTW, iirc there was some talk that the blood on the glove had caused it to shrink a little; personally I think the DA shoulda kept the glove under the table. And I also think that Detective Furman's testimony helped OJ a lot.
There was some tv show - maybe 20/20 - that showed the actual police videotape of the crime scene and the inside of the house and they apparently videotapped it twice, just to be thorough and in the first tape, the glove was NOT on the grey carpet and in the second one it was plainly visible, the only thing ON the grey carpet at all.
As I said, the Prosecution's team was outclassed by the lawyers on OJ's team (whether or not anyone liked the lawyers on OJ's defense) but the DA sure helped them along with their defense.

247 Photios  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:55:46am

Finally the stupid sociopath learns that even he can be punished for crime. As my wife points out to me, he thought that he could always "get away with it". She also points out that, being narcissistic he may well openly confess to the murders. I think that she is right. He cannot live without some kind of public attention.

+Photi

248 So?  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:56:22am

re: #244 MandyManners

One-third of the Beast?

Finally, an interpretation I can understand. I better go out and find the rest of my Trinity.

249 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:56:45am

re: #246 realwest

Loved the glove thing. "Here OJ, spread your fingers as wide as you can. Good. Nope! The glove don't fit."

250 Viking6  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:56:49am

re: #243 Joe Six Pack

Dude its Brentwood, Los Angeles.

251 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:56:49am

re: #243 Joe Six Pack

They were killed in BRENTWOOD which is in Contra Costa county, dear...

No, Brentwood is in LA County. There is Brentwood up near SF though.

252 looking closely  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:56:52am

re: #170 lostlakehiker

The thing is, OJ is pretty well screwed.
He's just been convicted of armed robbery and kidnapping, two major felonies, among ten other things.
20 years wouldn't be an unreasonable sentence for that, notwithstanding his prior brushes with the law.
He's already over 60 years old.
If he serves 2/3 of his time, he'll be paroled in his mid 70s, (if he lives that long), and released essentially destitute.

253 SurferDoc  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:57:19am

re: #220 realwest

Well I'm not doubting your friend, but I have to say that the way the prosecution tried the case aganst OJ, any judge, not just Ito, would've reacted and done pretty much the same thing.
That OJ's defense team was way above the DA's prosecution team was clear, especially on understanding DNA (which was, iirc, fairly new in the criminal justice system) but when the Assistant DA (who's name escapes me) wanted OJ to try on the glove, without knowing ahead of time whether or not the glove would fit, was a blunder of the first order.
You NEVER ask a question or pose a "drama" without knowing the answer or the outcome.
It was a long and complicated case that the DA presented, but when Johnny Cochrane said "if it doesn't fit, you must acquit" I had the feeling right then and there that unless OJ suddenly yelled out "I Did It", he was gonna walk.
In short, I think the DA blew it far more than Judge Ito did.

Good points. But if you look at it in the context of what my friend was saying, they were fighting the defense, the judge and the jury--and they had already given up. Right or wrong, in their minds they had already lost. PS: From where I was sitting (in front of my TV) the glove fit.

254 Racer X  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:58:03am

re: #243 Joe Six Pack

They were killed in BRENTWOOD which is in Contra Costa county, dear...

Find a map and look it up.

Sheesh.

255 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:58:13am

re: #230 MandyManners

Yes, I got the other too! I'm sending these on to a friend, but a comment here.

I've read a lot of this stuff on Soros in the past, and I swear, I would not be surprised that this guy is behind a lot more of the crap going on, in finance and politics, then is apparent on the first look.

I think this guy is bigger than we ever could imagine.

IMHO.

256 So?  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:58:28am

re: #249 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Loved the glove thing. "Here OJ, spread your fingers as wide as you can. Good. Nope! The glove don't fit."

He'll be lucky if gets off just being fingered in prison.

257 Son of the Black Dog  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:58:35am

re: #104 Macker

I still care about his soul.

He sold his soul thirteen years ago.

258 realwest  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:59:05am

re: #249 Fat Bastard Vegetarian Yep and the DA said..........nothing.

259 fmfnavydoc  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:59:29am

re: #143 OldLineTexan

No clue, but I can tell you this: the serious cons are all badasses, and everyone steps around them. If you're in the joint, you want to be a badass or you will be the victim or dead. One way to prove you're a badass is to harm the inmates that even the other inmates cannot bear to see draw breath. That's what most if not all prison systems have segregated populations; to try and keep the notorious people like Dahmer alive.

Killing Dahmer in Texas would have made you King of the stinking unit.

My sister-in-law did time about 20 years ago for meth possession in OK. She shaved her head before she went to jail, and while there, in the first week beat the crap out of one of the prison bad asses...she spent 3 years in jail and wasn't messed with at any time after that.

260 Joe Six Pack  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:00:13am

re: #250 Viking6

Dude its Brentwood, Los Angeles.

You and Dianna need to take a geography course DUDE! Brentwood is NOT in LA, dummy.

261 doppelganglander  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:00:53am

re: #243 Joe Six Pack

They were killed in BRENTWOOD which is in Contra Costa county, dear...

Uh, no, it's in Los Angeles County. You shouldn't be so condescending when you're wrong.

262 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:00:56am

Hey OJ, don't you wish this had've been you?

To An Athlete Dying Young

THE time you won your town the race
We chaired you through the market-place;
Man and boy stood cheering by,
And home we brought you shoulder-high.

To-day, the road all runners come,
Shoulder-high we bring you home,
And set you at your threshold down,
Townsman of a stiller town.

Smart lad, to slip betimes away
From fields where glory does not stay,
And early though the laurel grows
It withers quicker than the rose.

Eyes the shady night has shut
Cannot see the record cut,
And silence sounds no worse than cheers
After earth has stopped the ears:

Now you will not swell the rout
Of lads that wore their honours out,
Runners whom renown outran
And the name died before the man.

So set, before its echoes fade,
The fleet foot on the sill of shade,
And hold to the low lintel up
The still-defended challenge-cup.

And round that early-laurelled head
Will flock to gaze the strengthless dead,
And find unwithered on its curls
The garland briefer than a girl's.


A. E. Housman. 1859–

I've always loved this poem.

263 lostlakehiker  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:00:57am

re: #217 Sol Roth

So in the minds of those who cheered the decision, it's okay to brutally murder innocent white people to atone for verdicts that happened thirty years prior, in another State, in an unrelated crime with totally dissimilar participants?

Not exactly. But in their minds, that's water under the bridge. No verdict can bring them back to life. They're thinking along the lines of---now you know what it feels like to have a sneering jury acquit somebody just because the killer was from their group and the victim from yours.

I think justice should be blind to these side issues. See my other post about how the sentence for OJ should be determined this time. I'm just trying to live inside the heads of those who were cheering. What could they have been thinking? NOT that OJ was innocent. NOT that the wife and the Jew had it coming. What's left? Payback. It's the only explanation that fits the evidence and grants a modicum of humanity to the gloaters. Reveling in payback is an unworthy emotion but right here on this thread we see a tinge of it. It's all too common a human failing, to put payback ahead of impartial justice.

264 yesandno  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:00:59am

re: #221 spidly

will the Goldmans be able to go after his assets now?

No sure, but Bubba will.

265 realwest  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:01:57am

re: #261 doppelganglander
"You shouldn't be so condescending" y'all could've ended your statement right there and it would have been fine with me.

266 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:02:13am

re: #258 realwest

Heck, I can make my hand wide enough you can't get a baseball glove on it.

267 EmeraldLakeEyes  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:02:30am

re: #168 Dianna

Nicole Brown's head was attached to her body. Don't add to the horror.

If you saw the picture it was..just barely

268 doppelganglander  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:02:43am

re: #260 Joe Six Pack

You and Dianna need to take a geography course DUDE! Brentwood is NOT in LA, dummy.

There is a city of Brentwood in Contra Costa County, but that is not where OJ murdered Nicole and Ron. Again, you are an ass.

269 Fredlike  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:03:37am

re: #221 spidly

OJ has no assets to go after. Under CA law the courts could not seize his retirement pay, which given his NFL career was fairly large, I think around $200,000 per year. that is what he ha been living on. The LV conviction should not affect that, although they may be able to seize amounts that build up in his savings accounts he is unable to spend while in prison.

270 debutaunt  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:03:49am

re: #175 OldLineTexan

Baldwin's problem is with where the bailout money is being sent. He wants the money sent to to the communities (community organizers).

271 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:04:00am

re: #268 doppelganglander

re: #260 Joe Six Pack

Simmah Dahn Na!

272 Pianobuff  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:04:08am

re: #243 Joe Six Pack

They were killed in BRENTWOOD which is in Contra Costa county, dear...

The OJ Brentwood is a few miles away from me which is, unless they re-drew lines, in LA county.

273 realwest  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:04:20am

re: #263 lostlakehiker
There is also something called "Jury nullification" that is to say, when a jury feels that a law is unjust or is being unjustly applied, for whatever reason, some juries have been known to simply ignore the law and acquit (I'm talking about criminal cases here).
That may be what happened in OJ's case.

274 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:04:38am

re: #261 doppelganglander

Uh, no, it's in Los Angeles County. You shouldn't be so condescending when you're wrong period.

275 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:05:19am

re: #272 Pianobuff

The OJ Brentwood is a few miles away from me which is, unless they re-drew lines, in LA county.

walking distance from me. trust me, it's LA County

276 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:05:22am

Nobody dinged my pretty poem. Sigh. Going upstairs...

277 Dianna  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:05:36am

re: #240 jcm

The prosecution was bunch of bumbling incompetent idiots. The judge was a spineless balless weasel who let the defense turn his court into a circus.

The trial should have been days. Three peoples blood, the murderer and the victims, at the murder scene, in OJ vehicle and home.

Done deal.

A friend of mine pointed out that the reference sample going back to the scene of the crime was enough to get pretty much all the blood evidence thrown out. He's right.

The really terrible thing? Without $10 million and the Dream Team, no one would ever have known about it. How many people have been convicted while sloppy practice like that was going on.

Oh, and how about the FBI's screw-ups in evidence handling? That was also brought out.

Wild incompetence, lax standards, complete indifference to chain of custody. That's what was exposed. And it was exposed because there was enough money to track it down.

Money got O.J. off. It made me wonder about how many people (who are innocent) the system eats every year because they don't have $10 million to spend.

278 doppelganglander  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:05:53am

re: #271 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #260 Joe Six Pack

Simmah Dahn Na!

I'm sorry, when someone is both incorrect and obnoxious, I just can't let it go. I'll move on now.

279 Pianobuff  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:06:09am

re: #275 unrealizedviewpoint

walking distance from me. trust me, it's LA County

USSM?

280 Syrah  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:06:46am

re: #255 Walter L. Newton

Yes, I got the other too! I'm sending these on to a friend, but a comment here.

I've read a lot of this stuff on Soros in the past, and I swear, I would not be surprised that this guy is behind a lot more of the crap going on, in finance and politics, then is apparent on the first look.

I think this guy is bigger than we ever could imagine.

IMHO.

Soros is a bond villain. No doubt about it.

How many economies has Soros looted?

281 Dianna  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:06:53am

re: #243 Joe Six Pack

No, dear.

They were killed in Brentwood which is in the L.A. area, though I'm not sure which county.

282 Viking6  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:06:54am

re: #260 Joe Six Pack

Ok I am really not going to take you to the wood shed on this but I lived in Los Angeles at the time of the homicides and they were committed in the Brentwood area of Los Angeles CA. There is a Brentwood in Northern California and it has nothing to do with the homicides. You might want to check this link our to get your facts correct.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

if that doesn't work a "wack" will be in order

283 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:07:11am

re: #266 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Heck, I can make my hand wide enough you can't get a baseball glove on it.

All I can say is, if I was accused of murder and the dummy prosecutor told me to try on the gloves, I would make damn sure that they DID NOT FIT.
Why would you try to make them fit?
Did they honestly think he was going to just slip them on?

284 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:07:26am

re: #279 Pianobuff

USSM?

ussm?

285 itellu3times  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:07:27am

Where do I click a thread to register my enthusiastic disinterest?

286 realwest  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:07:47am

Well all y'all I gotta go eat lunch now. Hope you all have a GREAT day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

287 Dianna  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:07:55am

re: #260 Joe Six Pack

You are wrong.

Check Wiki. Hell, check the LA Times!

288 Pianobuff  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:08:19am

re: #282 Viking6

Ok I am really not going to take you to the wood shed on this but I lived in Los Angeles at the time of the homicides and they were committed in the Brentwood area of Los Angeles CA. There is a Brentwood in Northern California and it has nothing to do with the homicides. You might want to check this link our to get your facts correct.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

if that doesn't work a "wack" will be in order

And if were not in LA County, the 405 chase would have been a long way off, not a couple of minutes.

289 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:09:11am

re: #255 Walter L. Newton

Yes, I got the other too! I'm sending these on to a friend, but a comment here.

I've read a lot of this stuff on Soros in the past, and I swear, I would not be surprised that this guy is behind a lot more of the crap going on, in finance and politics, then is apparent on the first look.

I think this guy is bigger than we ever could imagine.

IMHO.

Of that I would have no doubt. He bankrupted the Bank of England.

290 Pianobuff  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:09:26am

re: #284 unrealizedviewpoint

ussm?

Take-off on Santa Monica... figured you must be in SM, West LA, or Westwood...

291 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:09:57am

re: #255 Walter L. Newton

Yes, I got the other too! I'm sending these on to a friend, but a comment here.

I've read a lot of this stuff on Soros in the past, and I swear, I would not be surprised that this guy is behind a lot more of the crap going on, in finance and politics, then is apparent on the first look.

I think this guy is bigger than we ever could imagine.

IMHO.

[Link: educate-yourself.org...]

292 Amy  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:10:28am

re: #220 realwest

I agree entirely. O.J. didn't have to prove his innocence; he didn't have to prove anything. It was the State's burden to prove his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, and they simply failed to put it across. Cochran did his job in raising doubts, and, unfortunately, there were enough blunders by the State to give him openings big enough to drive a truck through.

Our trial system is not perfect by a long shot. Just as innocent people get convicted, guilty people get acquitted.

293 Dianna  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:10:53am

re: #251 unrealizedviewpoint

No, Brentwood is in LA County. There is Brentwood up near SF though.

Yeah, it's a development outside of Pittsburg.

I'm sure Joe will decide that means it's in Pennsylvania any time now.

294 Perplexed  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:10:54am

He was a thug before he got into football. He was a thug after he left football. He might still be a thug, but is now behind bars.

Nevada has OJ in the can and is served up on ice.

295 Dianna  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:12:12am

re: #267 EmeraldLakeEyes

I saw.

Poor woman.

Ron Goldman fought hard.

296 Perplexed  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:12:46am

re: #283 Typicalwhitey

All I can say is, if I was accused of murder and the dummy prosecutor told me to try on the gloves, I would make damn sure that they DID NOT FIT.
Why would you try to make them fit?
Did they honestly think he was going to just slip them on?

Blood soaked leather driving gloves probably would shrink as well.

297 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:12:48am

Dinged down, but only because Charles asked nicely!

298 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:13:13am

re: #290 Pianobuff

Take-off on Santa Monica... figured you must be in SM, West LA, or Westwood...

Santa Monica, yes. I think of it as the Peoples Republic of Santa Monica. Alot'sa moonbats here, mindboggling.

299 Racer X  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:13:46am

re: #292 Amy

I agree entirely. O.J. didn't have to prove his innocence; he didn't have to prove anything. It was the State's burden to prove his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, and they simply failed to put it across. Cochran did his job in raising doubts, and, unfortunately, there were enough blunders by the State to give him openings big enough to drive a truck through.

Our trial system is not perfect by a long shot. Just as innocent people get convicted, guilty people get acquitted.

It is up to a jury to see beyond that and render a verdict that is right and just. The jury failed as well.

300 Pianobuff  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:14:47am

re: #298 unrealizedviewpoint

Santa Monica, yes. I think of it as the Peoples Republic of Santa Monica. Alot'sa moonbats here, mindboggling.

I'm down in the Marina.... not quite as bad, but not great either. I heard about some car vandalism up in SM on a vehicle with a McCain/Palin sticker.

301 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:14:51am

re: #293 Dianna

Yeah, it's a development outside of Pittsburg.

I'm sure Joe will decide that means it's in Pennsylvania any time now.

No! It ain't near Pittsburgh. That's on the east coast.
//

302 itellu3times  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:17:22am

re: #275 unrealizedviewpoint

walking distance from me. trust me, it's LA County

I'm soaking in it, and yes it's LA county.

It's a neighborhood, not an incorporated municipality.

303 doppelganglander  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:17:51am

I think I've figured out where Joe Six-Pack's confusion stems from. He talked about the prosecutors moving the trial to Los Angeles County. What actually happened was, they moved the trial WITHIN Los Angeles County. From Wikipedia:

Rather than try the crime in mostly white Santa Monica, California where murders occurring in Brentwood would normally have been held, the prosecution decided to have the trial in Los Angeles. Bugliosi criticized this decision in his book. During the jury selection process, the defense made it difficult for the prosecution to challenge potential black jurors on the grounds that it is illegal to dismiss someone from the jury for racially motivated reasons (California courts barred peremptory challenges to jurors based on race in People v. Wheeler, 22 Cal. 3d 258, 583 P. 2d 748 (1978) years before the U.S. Supreme Court would do so in Batson v. Kentucky, 476 U. S. 79 (1986)).

Okay, I'm really going to leave it alone this time.

304 Dianna  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:17:54am

re: #301 unrealizedviewpoint

I'm getting clumsier by the day! I clicked the minus when I meant the plus - even the colors can't keep me from twitching.

305 EmeraldLakeEyes  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:18:07am

re: #296 Perplexed

Blood soaked leather driving gloves probably would shrink as well.


If I remember correctly he also had a pair of latex gloves on that would have prevented the gloves to fit. Darden was a fool to ask him to try the gloves on.

306 Sol Roth  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:18:18am

re: #263 lostlakehiker

Not exactly. But in their minds, that's water under the bridge. No verdict can bring them back to life. They're thinking along the lines of---now you know what it feels like to have a sneering jury acquit somebody just because the killer was from their group and the victim from yours.

I think justice should be blind to these side issues. See my other post about how the sentence for OJ should be determined this time. I'm just trying to live inside the heads of those who were cheering. What could they have been thinking? NOT that OJ was innocent. NOT that the wife and the Jew had it coming. What's left? Payback. It's the only explanation that fits the evidence and grants a modicum of humanity to the gloaters. Reveling in payback is an unworthy emotion but right here on this thread we see a tinge of it. It's all too common a human failing, to put payback ahead of impartial justice.

You don't see people gloating about racial payback here. You see people relieved that justice is served and a murdering savage will stay in prison and not kill more innocent people. The fact that he's considered black by some is irrelevant to most white people I dare say. I'm not colorblind, but I know that it never entered my considered evaluation of the evidence.

The shadenfraude is personal payback for a betrayal by a sports figure in whom so many of us invested our adoration. It's shadenfraude in the removal of freedom purchased with notoriety; an unfair pass most of us see as being given to Hollywood elites. A license to kill because we love them. It's sickening.

If he were black and not famous, I don't think we would even be discussing it.

Not discussing O.J. Sounds like a good idea. See ya.

307 Viking6  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:20:03am

re: #303 doppelganglander

Had to give you and up ding on that. Blessed are the peacemakers...something not found in my vocabulary

308 shanester  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:20:10am

Well, that's one less vote for Obama! LOL

309 AuntAcid  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:20:42am

Who will play OJ in the movie?

310 Amy  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:22:41am

re: #299 Racer X

It is up to a jury to see beyond that and render a verdict that is right and just. The jury failed as well.

No. The jury must base its verdict solely on the facts as proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Juries are not supposed to "look beyond" those proven facts; if they do, they are not doing their job correctly.

The jury did not fail, the State did.

311 SurferDoc  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:22:56am

re: #309 AuntAcid

Who will play OJ in the movie?

Will Smith. Who else?

312 debutaunt  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:23:05am

re: #305 EmeraldLakeEyes

If I remember correctly he also had a pair of latex gloves on that would have prevented the gloves to fit. Darden was a fool to ask him to try the gloves on.

The gloves did fit. They were his.

313 Dianna  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:25:32am

re: #312 debutaunt

The gloves did fit. They were his.

Well, yes. But he wasn't going to put them on in front of the jury.

I couldn't believe Darden.

314 jaxgtr  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:28:00am

yawn. This jury just did what the pinheads in LA did not do. Put him in jail for murder even though he was not on trial for murder this time around.

315 Pianobuff  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:28:28am

re: #313 Dianna

Well, yes. But he wasn't going to put them on in front of the jury.

I couldn't believe Darden.

Somewhere I read an editorial calling McCain's announcement to forego the 1st debate a "Darden moment". (putting control in the adversary's hands).

316 Son of the Black Dog  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:30:46am

re: #269 Fredlike

OJ has no assets to go after. Under CA law the courts could not seize his retirement pay, which given his NFL career was fairly large, I think around $200,000 per year. that is what he ha been living on. The LV conviction should not affect that, although they may be able to seize amounts that build up in his savings accounts he is unable to spend while in prison.

Does OJ's new residence in care of the State of Nevada change his legal place of residence from Florida to Nevada? If so, IIRC, when he loses his Florida residency, he loses his right to exclude his primary residence in Florida from attachment by creditors (i.e., the Goldmans). And, if he is not receiving his NFL pension as a Florida resident that probably becomes attachable too. Anybody know this for sure?

317 debutaunt  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:35:12am

re: #313 Dianna

Well, yes. But he wasn't going to put them on in front of the jury.

I couldn't believe Darden.

I saw OJ put on shrunken, blood soaked gloves while wearing latex gloves underneath. He acted as if they didn't fit, but he forgot after he finished his stupid act and slipped them off easily. I can't be the only person who noticed it. If someone else (a murderer) owned those gloves, OJ would not have been able to fake the act -- he would have been sincerely offended by the suggestion.

318 toonman  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:37:58am

As a friend of mine said:
"I guess whatever OJ does in Vegas, his ass will stay in Vegas."

319 Racer X  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:42:50am

re: #310 Amy

No. The jury must base its verdict solely on the facts as proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Juries are not supposed to "look beyond" those proven facts; if they do, they are not doing their job correctly.

The jury did not fail, the State did.

You're right. Dumb statement on my part. I do think the "reasonable doubt" part was questionable, and perhaps another jury would have reached a different conclusion. Dude is guilty as sin.

320 Arbalest  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:46:20am

If only OJ had had the sense to call his star defense witness, Kato Kaelin, this time ......

re: #235 WindHorse

Develop a series of gourmet salad dressings. It's what celebrities do.

321 Amy  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 12:10:00pm

re: #319 Racer X

You're right. Dumb statement on my part. I do think the "reasonable doubt" part was questionable, and perhaps another jury would have reached a different conclusion. Dude is guilty as sin.

I also think that he was guilty, but I don't blame the judge, jury or Johnny Cochran. I blame the initial police investigation, the subsequent lab testing, and the prosecution's trial strategy. Evidence was not handled or stored properly, leading to the possibility that it was contaminated, and the prosecution chose to use questionable items of evidence and testimony.

Of course it's always possible for one jury to reach a different verdict than another jury would, but that's just the way things are. Juries are wild cards. Attorneys do their best to try to weed out jurors whom they think might be problems during the jury selection process, but a lot of it's pure guesswork or intuition that sometimes backfires.

322 Tigger2005  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 12:16:21pm

re: #310 Amy

No. The jury must base its verdict solely on the facts as proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Juries are not supposed to "look beyond" those proven facts; if they do, they are not doing their job correctly.

The jury did not fail, the State did.

No. Despite the remarkable incompetence and clumsiness of the prosecutors, they did present all the facts and evidence necessary to prove OJ's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Where they screwed up was in letting the jury think there was reasonable doubt, and the jury was all too willing to grasp at this straw.

323 Tigger2005  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 12:18:05pm

re: #321 Amy

I also think that he was guilty, but I don't blame the judge, jury or Johnny Cochran. I blame the initial police investigation, the subsequent lab testing, and the prosecution's trial strategy. Evidence was not handled or stored properly, leading to the possibility that it was contaminated, and the prosecution chose to use questionable items of evidence and testimony.

Of course it's always possible for one jury to reach a different verdict than another jury would, but that's just the way things are. Juries are wild cards. Attorneys do their best to try to weed out jurors whom they think might be problems during the jury selection process, but a lot of it's pure guesswork or intuition that sometimes backfires.

Everyone involved was responsible for that travesty of justice. It was a massive systems failure.

324 CareyOnly  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 12:19:41pm

re: #64 victor_yugo

Story now rated +5.

Sorry, Charles. I tried.

What makes a rating?
(sry, I really don't kno)

325 marwan's daughter  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 12:20:15pm

I bet everyone who did their part in screwing up the OJ case is doing a Snoopy-style happy dance, especially Mark Fuhrman.

326 Rose Parade  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 12:28:48pm

re: #296 Perplexed

Blood soaked leather driving gloves probably would shrink as well.

The thing with the gloves always really bugged me. They do dry up and need to be cleaned and oiled so that you can get them on.

When I was in junior high I took horseback riding lessons and wore leather gloves when I rode. They'd get moistened from sweat from me and the horses and after I took them off they'd dry up and crumple up like dead leaves. I had to clean them after pretty much every use or I wouldn't have been able to get my hands into them. It was easy for OJ to pretend the glove didn't fit because in that condition it would have been hard to put it on even if he wanted to.

At the time I found it frustrating that apparently there wasn't anyone who could explain this in court.

327 Amy  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 12:29:32pm

re: #322 Tigger2005

No. Despite the remarkable incompetence and clumsiness of the prosecutors, they did present all the facts and evidence necessary to prove OJ's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Where they screwed up was in letting the jury think there was reasonable doubt, and the jury was all too willing to grasp at this straw.

I respectfully disagree. When it comes to an accusation of murder, juries feel that they have an awesome (in the original sense of the word) responsibility, and the State has a high hurdle of persuasion. This is as it should be, especially when capital punishment is a possibility (I don't remember if capital punishment was on the table at OJ's trial). In my opinion, and the jury's, the State could have made it over the hurdle but didn't. Of course, it wasn't all the fault of the prosecutors; they were stuck with the sloppy investigative work that could not be undone.

328 Colonel Panik  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 12:36:25pm

I just had a late breakfast. Scrambled eggs with cheese, sausage, bacon, pancakes, coffee and a glass of criminally indicted former Heisman Trophy winner.

329 Tigger2005  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 12:39:59pm

re: #327 Amy

I respectfully disagree. When it comes to an accusation of murder, juries feel that they have an awesome (in the original sense of the word) responsibility, and the State has a high hurdle of persuasion. This is as it should be, especially when capital punishment is a possibility (I don't remember if capital punishment was on the table at OJ's trial). In my opinion, and the jury's, the State could have made it over the hurdle but didn't. Of course, it wasn't all the fault of the prosecutors; they were stuck with the sloppy investigative work that could not be undone.

No, capital punishment was not on the table at Simpson's trial.

The jury was looking for an out. The prosecution gave them that out by creating the impression that Simpson's guilt had not been proven beyond a reasonable doubt, when it fact it had been.

I'm not saying the prosecution wasn't clumsy and inept, or that the investigation wasn't sloppy. But the jury cannot be absolved from all blame here. The facts and evidence presented by the prosecution were more than sufficient to demonstrate Simpson's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Had the jury focused solely on the facts and evidence, they would have found Simpson guilty.

330 Colonel Panik  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 12:40:43pm

re: #4 RoughRider

Is downtown Las Vegas burning yet?

North Las Vegas is the area that would burn.

331 debutaunt  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 12:46:41pm

Going for a LGF record. If you updinged this thread, please go back and down ding.

332 Colonel Panik  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 12:47:34pm

re: #118 Pianobuff

OT and unbelievable: Alec Baldwin takes shots at Dems/Frank for the meltdown on Bill Maher.

Yes, that's a pig flying by your window....

Arec Bahwin no longer worfress?

333 CapeCoddah  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 12:49:47pm

re: #5 MandyManners

Sometimes karma takes a while.

Poetic Justice.

334 leereyno  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 12:51:31pm

Character is destiny.

Back when OJ was being tried for murder, the mistake that the prosecution made was in transferring the trial downtown where the jury pool was comprised of hood rats and other assorted losers. These are people who believe the leftist canard that the US is a vast racist conspiracy. So it isn't surprising that they were all too willing to believe the defense's fantastical yarn about OJ being the victim of a smaller racist conspiracy.

But even though the prosecution made a fatal mistake that put a murderer on the street, this did nothing to alter the character of OJ Simpson. The monster remained a monster. Therefore it was only a matter of time before his own nature led him back into a jail cell.

Character is destiny.

335 marwan's daughter  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 1:00:34pm

-91 right now.

C'mon, you can do better than that! Ding, baby, ding!

336 debutaunt  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 1:01:35pm

re: #331 debutaunt

Going for a LGF record. If you updinged this thread, please go back and down ding.

OK - 37 lizards had messed up what could be a record OJ down-a-thon.

337 debutaunt  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 1:02:37pm

re: #335 marwan's daughter

-91 right now.

C'mon, you can do better than that! Ding, baby, ding!

Let's do it!

338 Amy  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 1:04:17pm

re: #329 Tigger2005

No, capital punishment was not on the table at Simpson's trial.

The jury was looking for an out. The prosecution gave them that out by creating the impression that Simpson's guilt had not been proven beyond a reasonable doubt, when it fact it had been.

I'm not saying the prosecution wasn't clumsy and inept, or that the investigation wasn't sloppy. But the jury cannot be absolved from all blame here. The facts and evidence presented by the prosecution were more than sufficient to demonstrate Simpson's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Had the jury focused solely on the facts and evidence, they would have found Simpson guilty.

Whether the "facts and evidence presented by the prosecution were more than sufficient to demonstrate Simpson's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt" is obviously a matter of opinion. The prosecution presented Cochran with a number of opportunities, which (as was to be expected) he exploited to the fullest, not least of which was the the credibility of witnesses like Kaelin and Fuhrman.

Having practiced criminal defense at one stage of my career, I can attest to the fact that juries generally do employ their common sense, pay attention to the facts and evaluate witnesses' credibility. I don't think that the verdict was an example of jury nullification.

339 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 1:12:40pm

I dinged the thread UP, just to be a contrarian!

340 Amy  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 1:17:04pm

re: #334 leereyno

Character is destiny.

Back when OJ was being tried for murder, the mistake that the prosecution made was in transferring the trial downtown where the jury pool was comprised of hood rats and other assorted losers. These are people who believe the leftist canard that the US is a vast racist conspiracy. So it isn't surprising that they were all too willing to believe the defense's fantastical yarn about OJ being the victim of a smaller racist conspiracy...

Here is a description of the criminal trial jurors: Members of Simpson jury

They don't appear to be "hood rats and other assorted losers" to me. They were all employed and had at least a high school education, except for one woman who had been a former cleaner. Your characterization is offensive.

341 Colonel Panik  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 1:17:27pm

re: #334 leereyno

Character is destiny.

Back when OJ was being tried for murder, the mistake that the prosecution made was in transferring the trial downtown where the jury pool was comprised of hood rats and other assorted losers. These are people who believe the leftist canard that the US is a vast racist conspiracy. So it isn't surprising that they were all too willing to believe the defense's fantastical yarn about OJ being the victim of a smaller racist conspiracy.

There was even a book written about that time that claimed the Aryan Nations murdered Ron and Nicole and framed OJ with clothing stolen from his house with the help of their alleged mole in the LAPD, Mark Fuhrman.

Dave Emory used to hype it on his conspiracy theory radio show in the Bay Area.

"Blood Oath" by Steven Worth

342 debutaunt  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 1:19:08pm

re: #339 MrPaulRevere

I dinged the thread UP, just to be a contrarian!

I quote Charles: "The last time we posted a thread about O.J. Simpson, it got a record rating of -265: The Inevitable OJ Thread."

343 XMarine  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 1:56:51pm

An OJ Simpson story ... turn off whatever medium was carrying the story ...
IMMEDIATELY! Or, in this case ding it down.

Charles, we will forgive you.

344 snoozealarm  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 2:04:16pm

The postman always rings twice.

345 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 2:08:05pm

re: #168 Dianna

Nicole Brown's head was attached to her body. Don't add to the horror.

Barley. but whatever.

346 cannon  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 2:26:34pm
#232 coquimbojoe 10/04/08 10:51:51 am reply quote 0

re: #227 Viking6

What Happens Here - Stays Here

Warm regards from Sin City

You in Vegas? I am in Henderson, we got Vegas Rick in the North and someone else came out as a Sin City Lizard. We might have a quorum soon...

/exiting lurker mode

Another lurker lizard from Eastern and 215

/enter lurker mode

347 martinleaf  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 2:30:43pm

13 years to the day, and during the days of Judgment in the Jewish Religion. Coincidence ?

348 uncleFuzzy  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 3:23:36pm

Admittedly, I logged on just to ding this story. I hope that was the intention of the thread.

Now it's back to caring for our newest family member. Later, all.

349 lucky#S13v1n  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 3:38:46pm

*clink*
DING!

350 big L  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 4:09:39pm

As I recall, OJ's pension is $25K a month. Can't be touched by a judgment.
I always thought that OJ was there at the murder scene but that someone else handy with knives, i.e. chef, fisherman, circus performer had done the actual murder.
Also Brentwood is a housing tract in L.A. off of San Vicente Blvd. I think O.J.s house has been torn dn and another built, different address, diff look.
I can't recall where the glove came from as O.J. stuffed the clothes he wore in the airport trash can...
One problem was that O.J's blood sample was carried around by the LAPD.
I remember when the case was being assigned to the various D.A.s. The one assigned initially almost immediately went on medical leave for high blood pressure.
I thought "Uh oh, that is not good....something is goin' on."

351 Arkay  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 4:26:45pm

em>re: #159 coquimbojoe

It was that day I really realized the chasm between whites and blacks in the way we view things. It seemed so obvious to most what the truth was, but the differences in what we saw the truth to be, was stunning.

(Yes, yes, huge generalizations, no, nothing racist, just my own surprise and confusion on display.) I have never heard anyone clearly elucidate the joy some felt. Where did that come from and what was the joy about?

Three hundred plus years of black men being executed for crimes that they either did not commit, or would have not been executed for had they been white--or getting lynched for by white mobs (within living memory!). This is the first time they could hold onto a case where the system, er, 'worked,' i.e., an obviously guilty black guy with a flawed prosecution case actually winning.

Of course the fact that it cost, what? Ten million dollars? is of course immaterial.

However it has also been my experience that 99% of black folk, if you ask them privately and nicely, will now admit that OJ was guilty as hell of the murders.

It is stupid for us whites to forget that we have inherited willy nilly a great percentage of the sins of our grandparents as regards race relations. Those sins have a very long radioactive half-life.

My home city of Detroit was destroyed ultimately because a little black nine year old named Coleman Young was denied the privilege of going to "Bob-Lo," Detroit's amusement park, in the 1930s.... and for that sin his mind lit fires in our city (to quote Charles Manson).

I'm a conservative, but it doesn't mean I'm stupid. Race resentments are hideous and long lasting. (Hell, it's been 170 years since the Irish potato famine, and how much do the Irish want to let that go?)

OTOH, I'm cheerful that that murdering thug Orenthal will now be receiving justice. Maybe under its pressure he'll know repentance at last.

352 Ward Cleaver  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 5:54:52pm

Justice finally.

353 ScottG  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 5:57:05pm

re: #346 cannon

/exiting lurker mode

Another lurker lizard from Eastern and 215

/enter lurker mode

centennial area

354 wiffersnapper  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 6:06:50pm

OJ got caught stealing gloves that fit just right apparently.

355 Spiny Norman  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 6:09:32pm

re: #350 big L

Even if the evidence has not been mishandled, or completely irrelevant issues like Mark Furman and the N-word hadn't derailed the case, there was no way on God's green earth that jury wuld have convicted him. He could have been videotaped commiting the deed and they would have acquitted anyway.

356 Lively  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 6:41:22pm

OJ Simpson acquitted of murder, October 3, 1995

OJ Simpson guilty of kidnapping, armed robbery, etc. October 3, 2008

357 Malleus Dei  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 7:22:59pm

May the man never again see unstriped sunlight.

His dead wife's family can finally sleep well again.

358 Gmac  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 8:23:39pm

Couldn't have happened to a guiltier SoB.
I hope he rots in there, never free again.

359 graystoke  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 9:49:44pm

Here to help break the record!

360 laZardo  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:39:41pm

I don't get why we're marking it down.

I thought people would be happy that they're finally throwing away the key on OJ.

361 Media_man  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 10:41:57pm

Ron & Nicole's respective families can rest easier knowing OJ will spend the rest of his life in the hoosegow. Or at the very least by the time he gets out he'll be eating his dinner thru a straw.

362 GorgonBEgone  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:42:09am

On the Nicole and OJ wedding/reception video tapes
they caught Marcus Allen bragging about bagging
nicole.


It's no wonder OJ hired an attorney to
suppress them and Allen avoided the truth.


[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Also in the deposition, Fischman confirmed that Ms. Simpson and Kansas City Chiefs running back Marcus Allen were having an affair shortly before her slaying -- "whenever Marcus Allen was in town." It began a few months after Nicole Simpson moved out of her husband's Rockingham estate.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Simpson had previously said that Allen confided to him that he had dated Nicole and had sex with her after the divorce. Simpson said the fact that he remained friends with Allen and even hosted his 1993 wedding at his Brentwood mansion showed that he was not a jealous ex-husband.
Simpson and Allen

But Allen, a Heisman Trophy winner and a running back with NFL's Kansas City Chiefs, testified Friday that he never had a sexual relationship with O.J.'s former wife, and that he never told Simpson that he had, according to a lawyer present during the deposition.

During the deposition, Allen testified that Simpson called him while in jail for the murders and asked him to support the story about Allen's relationship with Nicole, the lawyer said.

Allen said he refused to lie for Simpson and instead ended his longtime friendship with him after that call, according to the lawyer. When Simpson tried to force Allen to testify at his murder trial last year, a Kansas judge upheld Allen's challenge of the subpoena.

Allen testified that he never discussed the evidence in the murder case with Simpson and never heard an admission of guilt from him, said Daniel Petrocelli, a lawyer for the Goldman family.

363 Xenobyte  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 2:11:49am

To me there has always been lots of resonable doubt regarding that double homicide... It's all related to the many unresolved issues I still remember to this day:

1) No motive. The brutality suggests a crime of passion or psychopathy but there was no particular motive for it to happen that day. OJ was subjected to a mental evaluation but found to be quite within normal parameters.

2) The lack of blood evidence. You cannot alone commit a double stabbing homicide without getting totally covered in blood. The amount of blood at the scene confirms this, but OJ supposedly got into his Bronco and drove home, leaving only a too-small bloody glove at the scene and two microscopic bloodstains on the car. This is simply not possible.

3) The amount of mistakes committed by LAPD was mind boggling. Stepping in the blood, dragging it everywhere. Almost every procedure in handling a crime scene was broken. Similar with the forensic evidence that was contaminated, mishandled or lost. Last but not least, Mark Fuhrman who admitted to being a racist and to evidence tampering.

4) The missing murder weapon. Despite a massive search and a huge reward it has never been recovered, and the stringent timeline severely limits the disposal options for OJ if he did commit the murders. If OJ handled it, it would have been found.


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