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Open | Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 10:59:00 pm PDT

The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop.

P. J. O’Rourke

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1 Karridine  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:01:15pm

Like Shrek's donkey... talking ain't the magic, its getting him to shut up!

2 Mich-again  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:01:53pm
The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop.

I prefer gridlock to bipartisanship. When they are all smiling at the press conference, you know its bad.

3 Karridine  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:03:57pm

Well, now its put up or shut up time for We, the People, in our never-ending struggle to choose a just and righteous government for America...

Volunteer! Take the McCain/Palin message to other Americans! NOW! :D

4 Racer X  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:04:08pm

The "O" Team

I pity the (liberal) fool!

5 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:04:15pm

I often find myself thinking that it's time for a Million Armed Man march on Washington. Not literally, of course, but just get a million 2nd Amendment supporters to march past all the big white columned buildings.

Not with any particular agenda in mind, really... Just to let them know we're here, and we're watching, and we're irritated.

6 Ringo the Gringo  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:04:22pm

Good evening all.

I was at Sarah Palin's speech today in southern California.

She was great!

I also spent a few hours with the moonbats...Man oh man, they really hate that woman.

7 rawmuse  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:05:06pm

Bay Area Lizards, Sarah Palin arrives in Burlingame on Sunday morning 9 am, Burlingame Hyatt. Lets all show up and support her. There will be plenty of protesters, we need to counter them.

8 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:05:44pm
9 Mich-again  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:06:28pm

I say repeal the 17th amendment and return Senate elections to the State Legislatures. That will solve a lot of the problem.

10 ggt  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:06:30pm

weet dreams all!

11 Neo Con since 9-11  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:06:44pm

Repost but I think it's big news that's gotten over looked in the election coverage. That scum sucking traitor Adam Gadahn is apparently and unfortunately still alive. He released a video Saturday morning. I t seems authentic and current. From CNNAsia

American al Qaeda member Adam Gadahn appeared in a video posted on the Internet on Saturday, focusing on Pakistan, with references to the U.S. economic meltdown and fighting in Kashmir.


[Deleted]

12 Mich-again  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:07:17pm

re: #11 Neo Con since 9-11

There was a thread here about that.

13 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:07:49pm

re: #12 Mich-again

There was a thread here about that.

Why won't he just die?

14 Mich-again  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:08:32pm

re: #13 Wyatt Earp

Why won't he just die?

Even Hell doesn't want him.

15 Neo Con since 9-11  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:09:55pm

re: #12 Mich-again

Oops sorry you are correct. Don't know how I missed that.

16 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:10:57pm

re: #6 Ringo the Gringo


I also spent a few hours with the moonbats...Man oh man, they really hate that woman.

Is there a word that goes beyond mere "hate"? Because she inspires a reaction in some people that's just unbelievable. She's a great barometer, because it's amazing how supposedly intelligent people will fall all over themselves to cry about how she's dumb, unqualified, yadda yadda, even when she comes across looking good in direct side-by-side comparison to a possibly brain-damaged career committee chairman who makes shit up from whole cloth on the fly.

So why is a normal woman who runs a family, a town, and then a state, "unqualified" (despite all the Dem crowing about how they want to be concerned about "real people") but a plagiarizing insider bench jockey who can't even keep his stories straight, is a non-story? Oh yes, monumental double standards, and a media-industrial complex serving as a propaganda arm of the opposing ticket. Silly me.

17 NY Nana  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:11:10pm

Off to sleep. Two grandparents taken down by a very busy 2-year old grandson! ;) But we loved every second of it!

G'nite, Lizards. Sweet dreams, and may we all dream of what will become a reality on Nov. 4: the January 20th 2009 Inauguration of President John McCain and VP Sarah Palin!

Whoops! Forgot the Sec. of State, John Bolton!

18 DesertSage  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:11:41pm

The dumbest woman on earth.
[Link: break.com...]

19 leftover54  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:12:59pm

OT ? Can you be "OT" on an "open thread" ? Forgetting my etiquette - anyhow, I posted this already on a "dead thread":
While I applaud Sean Hannitys effort to expose all of this tomorrow night, I can't help but think
"who's mind is it going to change ?". His people see this as a career enhancer and thats how it resonates in his neck of the woods among his supporters etc., Its not like the Kos (spit) sh*t for brains moon bats are going to watch and think "Oh ? He's friends with a guy that steps on the American Flag, wants to kill cops, soldiers ...gee, I better re think my vote !". They'll watch Hannity and cheer their guys (Ayers/O'Bama) ! Hopefully there are enough fence sitters/un decideds that haven't a clue 'bout any of this but I'm not holding my breath.
I bought a six pack of VHS tapes today to tape Sean's show tomorrow evening ( I know, DVD, TiVO whatever - I know just about everyone has a VHS player though, not sure about the newer stuff - oh, you have to keep reading !) so I can make copies and send them out to 6 people I know that are undecided or just plain old need a "wake up call". Plus, I've e-mailed EVERYONE in my
address book to remind them about tomorrows show.
If they tell 6 people that tell 6 people and so on and so on.... (what the hell commercial was that ?). If anyone has anymore ideas on how to help turn these poll numbers around please let me know !

20 leftover54  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:13:30pm

re: #17 NY Nana


Me too ! 'Nite all ! Keep the faith !

21 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:13:32pm

re: #5 Pawn of the Oppressor

Well, they're lucky we've still mostly got jobs. Screw that one up, and there's a lot of angry folks with a lot of time on their hands...

(Again, good night.)

22 Racer X  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:14:20pm

The Vote Reaper

This guy kicks ass.

23 LeePro  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:16:59pm

re: #5 Pawn of the Oppressor

I often find myself thinking that it's time for a Million Armed Man march on Washington. Not literally, of course, but just get a million 2nd Amendment supporters to march past all the big white columned buildings.

Not with any particular agenda in mind, really... Just to let them know we're here, and we're watching, and we're irritated PISSED.

There.

24 redc1c4  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:17:49pm

i lurves me some PJ......

Remember, your body needs 6 to 8 glasses of fluid daily. Straight up or on the rocks.
O'Rourke, P.J.

25 DesertSage  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:18:36pm

You know, sometimes the guy who's all flashy, the one with the cool moves, the one who's the crowd favorite...just gets his clock cleaned in the end.

You got that, Mr. Obama?

26 Mich-again  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:20:47pm

re: #16 Pawn of the Oppressor

it's amazing how supposedly intelligent people will fall all over themselves to cry about how she's dumb, unqualified, yadda yadda, even when she comes across looking good

IMO Here are few of the reasons for that.

1) The BDS crowd needs a new focal point and for them, McCain doesn't work.
2) Lots of women have a problem with jealousy of other women. Especially with smarter, prettier, and more successful women.
3) Lots of sheeple believe everything they see from the MSM.
4) Lots of Libs are sewer dwellers by nature.

Add them all up and its probably half of the Dem base.

27 spidly  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:21:30pm

re: #22 Racer X

The Vote Reaper

This guy kicks ass.

here's his page with all of them
machosauceproduction

and another good video though old i think
Bob Parks black history month
from
black and right

28 Racer X  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:22:16pm

re: #25 DesertSage

You know, sometimes the guy who's all flashy, the one with the cool moves, the one who's the crowd favorite...just gets his clock cleaned in the end.

[Link: ca.youtube.com...]

You got that, Mr. Obama?

LOL!

29 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:22:52pm
30 leftover54  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:23:25pm

re: #16 Pawn of the Oppressor

I'm hopin' she doesn't become a victim of her own success.
I've noticed that I hear her name waaaay too much...as much as I love this lady (as in "admire") I'm starting to flinch when I hear her name on the TV/radio every 10 seconds. I know she was somewhat out of the picture until the debate but ever since ...whhhheeeeewwwwww ! There is such a thing as over exposure/saturation/"jumped the shark" and I've been a pretty good barometer of these things over the years ...not 'cause I have any talent or wisdom etc., just that I'm a cranky old man and things get on my nerves quickly ! Usually just before "it" seems to get on the nerves of the normal population. Hey, it came in handy when I was a cranky YOUNG man - was on to the next "newest thing" before everyone else. When something/anything gets "hip", "cool", the "in" thing, I'm already gone ! Heres to hoping I'm waaayyy off my mark here !

31 Racer X  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:23:48pm

re: #27 spidly

here's his page with all of them
machosauceproduction

and another good video though old i think
Bob Parks black history month
from
black and right

I am watching all of them. This guy gets it.

Thanks newsjunkie_ky!

32 spidly  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:23:49pm

re: #25 DesertSage

You know, sometimes the guy who's all flashy, the one with the cool moves, the one who's the crowd favorite...just gets his clock cleaned in the end.

[Link: ca.youtube.com...]

You got that, Mr. Obama?

afro ninja

33 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:26:33pm

Does the Flying Pig take 3am phone calls?

Because Alec Baldwin just went on Bill Maher and blamed Democrats (Bill Clinton and Barney Frank in particular) for the meltdown.

It is on you tube. At about 1 minute 30 seconds.

34 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:27:33pm

re: #25 DesertSage

You know, sometimes the guy who's all flashy, the one with the cool moves, the one who's the crowd favorite...just gets his clock cleaned in the end.

[Link: ca.youtube.com...]

You got that, Mr. Obama?

He's not the crowd favorite. He's favored by a loud minority who he thinks is the crowd. He'll find out the truth, the question is how badly we'll all suffer before he does. If he loses the election, he'll find out in the best way and we'll all be saved a great deal of pain.

35 captkirk35  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:28:46pm

Planted my McCain/Palin sign in the old front yard today. Living in a liberal city in Oregon, I wonder how long it will last.

36 billypaintbrush  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:30:21pm

Hope McCain has a nice relaxing weekend. Maybe this Elmer Fudd imitation of his is a rope-a-dope. Its too bad he wants to play nice with "my friends", and not actually want to be president.

37 Spirit93  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:31:40pm

re: #33 karmic_inquisitor

Does the Flying Pig take 3am phone calls?

Because Alec Baldwin just went on Bill Maher and blamed Democrats (Bill Clinton and Barney Frank in particular) for the meltdown.

It is on you tube. At about 1 minute 30 seconds.

If this truth breaks out it will be a game changer.

38 captkirk35  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:32:17pm

re: #36 billypaintbrush


McCain will come out swinging on Tuesday. Let's just hope he has the gloves off.

39 Moe Katz  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:33:24pm

Anybody miss EIDE_interface yet?

40 Mich-again  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:33:27pm

re: #35 captkirk35

All you need is a flashing red diode in the window looking at the sign. It will look like a camera and no one wants to get on YouTube like that.

41 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:33:32pm

Anyone have the link for that blog Little Green Footballs?

42 captkirk35  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:34:59pm

I expect I'll have some footage before long.

43 Ringo the Gringo  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:35:03pm

re: #16 Pawn of the Oppressor


Is there a word that goes beyond mere "hate"? Because she inspires a reaction in some people that's just unbelievable.

Most of the anti-Palin protesters were women and many of the signs and placards they carried were utterly contemptuous. They really hate the fact that she winks and apparently when she says "betcha" it just drives them over the edge.

Also many of the protesters seemed convinced that Sarah Palin hates nature and wants to kill every living thing in sight, especially polar bears and wolves.

Many of the signs also featured pictures of pigs, and quite a few of the demonstrators were wearing rubber pig noses.

44 suboptimal  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:35:12pm

re: #39 Moe Katz

Anybody miss EIDE_interface yet?

Should we have been aiming for him?

45 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:35:19pm

re: #39 Moe Katz

Anybody miss EIDE_interface yet?

Hell, no. Did he get banned?

46 Bill K.  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:35:23pm

How to make government stop? Long answer short: take the power to intervene in the economy out of the hands of government.

Meanwhile Jonathan Hoenig has an excellent article at Smart Money
Government Intervention Instills Chaos, Not Calm


I’m a trader, not a political pundit. To that end, I’d love nothing more than to get back to talking about earnings, trends, new products and corporate management. Unfortunately, right now none of those matter. Big Brother is jerking the strings of the financial markets on a daily basis, making normal methods of analysis all but impotent.

Whether the final price tag is $700 billion or not, just as with Sarbanes-Oxley or the Patriot Act, the government’s need to “do something” will deliver a cure that’s much worse than the disease, (likely) turning a normal two-year correction into a multi-decade Depression.

47 LeePro  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:35:54pm

re: #25 DesertSage

You know, sometimes the guy who's all flashy, the one with the cool moves, the one who's the crowd favorite...just gets his clock cleaned in the end.

[Link: ca.youtube.com...]

You got that, Mr. Obama?

L!
O!
L!

48 DesertSage  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:35:59pm

re: #39 Moe Katz

Anybody miss EIDE_interface yet?

What happened to EIDE?

49 Spirit93  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:36:49pm

re: #41 Walter L. Newton

Anyone have the link for that blog Little Green Footballs?

Wait a sec, I'll check my favs.

50 Moe Katz  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:37:00pm

re: #48 DesertSage

What happened to EIDE?

El stick

51 leftover54  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:37:26pm

re: #33 karmic_inquisitor


Holy She-ite ! One just flew by my window !
You go Baldwin !
(is he the normally liberal Baldwin ?)

52 spidly  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:38:02pm

re: #33 karmic_inquisitor

Does the Flying Pig take 3am phone calls?

Because Alec Baldwin just went on Bill Maher and blamed Democrats (Bill Clinton and Barney Frank in particular) for the meltdown.

It is on you tube. At about 1 minute 30 seconds.

maybe getting screwed by Kim jong il straightened him out
You are usewess , Awec Bawdwin

think he'll dissociate from Film Actors Guild now?

53 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:38:03pm

re: #50 Moe Katz

El stick

What does that mean?

54 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:38:26pm

re: #50 Moe Katz

El stick

Hi Moe. How's the weekend going for ya?

55 Moe Katz  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:38:39pm

re: #53 Dark_Falcon

What does that mean?

Charles showed him the exit, he has left the building!

56 spidly  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:39:19pm

what about student of objectivism? he finally get sent back to the Pauliverse?

57 Moe Katz  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:40:13pm

re: #54 Walter L. Newton

Hi Moe. How's the weekend going for ya?

I'm good, Walter. Recovering from an all-you-can-eat Chinese+ buffet, I must confess. And how are you, good sir? How goes the recovery from the surgery?

58 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:40:18pm

re: #55 Moe Katz

Charles showed him the exit, he has left the building!

Good riddance to bad rubbish. He was given a fair chance and he blew it. He will not be missed.

59 Athens Runaway  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:40:20pm

re: #38 captkirk35

I'll believe it when I see it.

60 redc1c4  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:41:03pm

re: #39 Moe Katz

Anybody miss EIDE_interface yet?

who? %-)

61 Moe Katz  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:41:50pm

re: #58 Dark_Falcon

Good riddance to bad rubbish. He was given a fair chance[s] and he blew it. He will not be missed.

There.

62 least  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:42:09pm

The more the moonbats rage at Governor Palin, the more their mask of rationality slips. This is a good thing.
However, as I've said before, things have got to get really, really weird out for a population that's become desensitized to lots bad stuff to be repelled by the "passion" they exhibit. This is a scary thing - 'cause there's no telling just how dangerous and bizarre can they get?

63 Moe Katz  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:42:24pm

re: #61 Moe Katz

There.

Oops, meant to say he was given COUNTLESS chances. But he had this compulsion to troll.

64 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:42:34pm

re: #57 Moe Katz

I'm good, Walter. Recovering from an all-you-can-eat Chinese+ buffet, I must confess. And how are you, good sir? How goes the recovery from the surgery?

Fine. Clumsy incision though, it's going to leave a bit of a scar, and I don't scar easy. Denver Health and Medical is the city hospital and of course, it's associated with one of the colleges, so I suspect I got some intern working on extra credit.

I went to a Chinese/German eatery once. One hours after you finished eating, you wanted to start a war again.

65 Moe Katz  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:44:25pm

re: #60 redc1c4

who? %-)

This neurotic geek in his early 30's who was endlessly provoking everyone with his outrageous statements, though not quite technically a moby or troll by the strict definition. Last week he said if Muslims want Sharia courts then, fine, let them beat their wives.

66 DesertSage  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:45:17pm

re: #50 Moe Katz

El stick

Why? What did he do?

67 least  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:45:22pm

re: #39 Moe Katz

Anybody miss EIDE_interface yet?

So where did he (?) go.
Is he just laying low?
Did the Capo di tutti lizardos get fed up?
What?

68 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:45:58pm

re: #63 Moe Katz

Oops, meant to say he was given COUNTLESS chances. But he had this compulsion to troll.

Indeed, I gave him some of those chances. You did as well. However, he either was on mission as a moby or was too stubborn to use those chances. Either way, I agree that had no business being here and I thank Charles for giving him the hatch.

69 Moe Katz  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:46:10pm

re: #64 Walter L. Newton


I went to a Chinese/German eatery once. One hours after you finished eating, you wanted to start a war again.

Good one, must remember it.

Are you still having much pain?

70 LeePro  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:46:51pm

re: #50 Moe Katz

El stick

EI whacked!

71 Moe Katz  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:48:21pm

re: #66 DesertSage

Why? What did he do?

I think he was actually banned for statements about what ought to be done with all the Muslims; you know, things that one doesn't do in a democratic country ... But the general pattern of conduct was provocative, as I've said. His being kicked out was more to do with crossing those red lines about what can be advocated on the discussion board, however.

72 LeePro  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:49:39pm
73 pat  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:49:48pm

Watching the polls, should they be such, it is clear the country is in a full panic. Wherein angry blacks, racists, losers, Democrats, Hollywood, Muslims, Hindus, Jews, Buddhists, prisoners, all the media, Europe, Russia, China, Arabia, communists and Mexicans and other illegal immigrants believe that we should disarm, have nationalized medicine, eat less, be cold in winter, suffer more, and perhaps just die.

74 redc1c4  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:50:15pm

re: #64 Walter L. Newton

Fine. Clumsy incision though, it's going to leave a bit of a scar, and I don't scar easy. Denver Health and Medical is the city hospital and of course, it's associated with one of the colleges, so I suspect I got some intern working on extra credit.

I went to a Chinese/German eatery once. One hours after you finished eating, you wanted to start a war again.

there are things you can use to reduce scarring..... check with your doc for appropriateness, but HRH has a bottle of Scarguard and it seems to be efficacious the times shes used it. when i had my ankle rebuilt, the surgeon had me rub cocoa butter into the area post op, and the incision is visible, but not raised.....

75 Moe Katz  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:50:59pm

re: #70 LeePro

EI whacked!

Yeah, leading to a nice string of puns about his computer-hardware-based nic, like "Charles pulled his drive cable" and so on ad infinitum. Oh yes, I said Charles threw him under the 133 MBps bus.

76 least  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:51:27pm

Dang!
The question was asked and answered long before I finished composing my question.
Old and slow, I am.
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too slow for the Lounge.

77 redc1c4  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:51:40pm

re: #65 Moe Katz

This neurotic geek in his early 30's who was endlessly provoking everyone with his outrageous statements, though not quite technically a moby or troll by the strict definition. Last week he said if Muslims want Sharia courts then, fine, let them beat their wives.

sorry: i thought the "%-)" made the "/" unnecessary.......

(maybe i should have used white smoke instead? %-)

78 DesertSage  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:52:11pm

I just can't figure out what's going on here?

79 pat  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:52:13pm

I got the impression that Eide was a moby. Am I wrong? (done that before. i do not always pay attention). Other things happening in my life.

80 Macker  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:52:41pm

re: #39 Moe Katz

Not Just No but HELL NO!

81 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:52:46pm

re: #73 pat

Watching the polls, should they be such, it is clear the country is in a full panic. Wherein angry blacks, racists, losers, Democrats, Hollywood, Muslims, Hindus, Jews, Buddhists, prisoners, all the media, Europe, Russia, China, Arabia, communists and Mexicans and other illegal immigrants believe that we should disarm, have nationalized medicine, eat less, be cold in winter, suffer more, and perhaps just die.

It's Pat! Neither a girl nor a boy, just a troll. GAZE

82 Moe Katz  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:53:10pm

re: #72 LeePro

Uh-oh.

You mean, uh oh because he won't be visible to put his foot in his mouth, right?

83 DistantThunder  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:53:26pm

I've been studying deprogramming since I've sent my brother certain things on obama and he's said: Stop spreading hate, taken out of context, learn to think for yourself. The video of the chanting teenagers he claimed someone made to make Obama look bad.

He's brainwashed

Deprogramming and exit-counseling

84 Nightwatch  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:55:03pm

Fresh off the Conservative day spa...
Good to be of the 2 inch groups at combat range, threat acquisition, less than 2 sec.
An improvement over last year's "Commie posing as Fuller Brush Man at your door" scenario."

I was hoping for the PETA/OBAMA "I AM THE NEW WORLD ORDER!, foot pushed into the screen door, 40SW triple tap response (chest high), but the sponsors, giving due process to the ACLU said that they were under court order not to allow that program to proceed.


So I went into the hills around my house and sniped 5 coyotes (four legged only)' and 10 to 12 big Harry RATS! Funny, they LOOKED like congressmen/women, only more gamey. justifiable shooting at the very least....

85 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:55:13pm

re: #69 Moe Katz

Good one, must remember it. Are you still having much pain?

Occasional little sore on the incision, but not really. I'm up to full steam at the theatre, everything from hanging lights, building sets, cleaning toilets, running the shows etc.

The tech staff wear not hats, we all do what we need to keep the show and the facility running.

86 redc1c4  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:55:40pm

re: #73 pat

you managed to leave one or two groups out of your blanket staement....

would you care to rephrase, advise & extend your remarks, or should we just start laughing at you now?

87 DesertSage  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:56:44pm

I can't figure out what's going on here either?

88 Moe Katz  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:57:22pm

re: #81 Dark_Falcon

Eek!

89 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:57:23pm

re: #82 Moe Katz

You mean, uh oh because he won't be visible to put his foot in his mouth, right?

No, "uh oh" because it might give Biden sympathy votes. And especially, "uh oh" because someone is very sick. That is always a bad thing.

90 least  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:57:45pm

re: #84 Nightwatch

Oh, if this post isn't fodder for the loons at LGF Watch -- and and all their hive mates.

91 redc1c4  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:57:57pm

re: #84 Nightwatch

Fresh off the Conservative day spa...
Good to be of the 2 inch groups at combat range, threat acquisition, less than 2 sec.
An improvement over last year's "Commie posing as Fuller Brush Man at your door" scenario."

I was hoping for the PETA/OBAMA "I AM THE NEW WORLD ORDER!, foot pushed into the screen door, 40SW triple tap response (chest high), but the sponsors, giving due process to the ACLU said that they were under court order not to allow that program to proceed.


So I went into the hills around my house and sniped 5 coyotes (four legged only)' and 10 to 12 big Harry RATS! Funny, they LOOKED like congressmen/women, only more gamey. justifiable shooting at the very least....

i've potted 2 or 3 rats in the backyard tonight already.....

'bout time to go check again.

(no more easy kills %-(

92 Karridine  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:58:15pm

re: #73 pat

It is certainly clear that the poll posters (the poll-takers) WANT US TO THINK the nation is in full panic... agree with you there...

93 Moe Katz  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:58:19pm

re: #85 Walter L. Newton

Occasional little sore on the incision, but not really. I'm up to full steam at the theatre, everything from hanging lights, building sets, cleaning toilets, running the shows etc.

The tech staff wear not hats, we all do what we need to keep the show and the facility running.

Sounds like you have a lot of fun.

94 Nightwatch  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:59:11pm

re: #41 Walter L. Newton
Walter,

striking the mid soon, care to toast........just for the hell of it?

95 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:00:26am

re: #87 DesertSage

I can't figure out what's going on here either?

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

fight. two guys in the street and the manhole guy coming in aid to one of them
featured guy thinks he's going to use manhole cover as a weapon. slow mo you see he dropped it on his am, probably breaking it.

96 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:01:08am

re: #82 Moe Katz

You mean, uh oh because he won't be visible to put his foot in his mouth, right?

maybe the Biden exit strategy?

97 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:01:26am

re: #76 least

Dang!
The question was asked and answered long before I finished composing my question.
Old and slow, I am.
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too slow for the Lounge.

They have voice at the lounge. Don't know if it's being used yet.

98 LeePro  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:01:27am

re: #78 DesertSage

I just can't figure out what's going on here?

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Maybe the poster's name — num1jackass — explains that.

99 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:01:47am

re: #96 spidly

maybe the Biden exit strategy?

Yep.

100 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:01:47am

re: #74 redc1c4

there are things you can use to reduce scarring..... check with your doc for appropriateness, but HRH has a bottle of Scarguard and it seems to be efficacious the times shes used it. when i had my ankle rebuilt, the surgeon had me rub cocoa butter into the area post op, and the incision is visible, but not raised.....

Hi red.

My basic problem (well, it's not a problem, I'm not too worried about it) is I've lost about 180 pounds over the last two years. So, the surgeon was cutting through a lot of flabby loose skin.

He (or she, I was asleep, I never met the surgeon) did not have a tight layer of sking to sew up. It's more like he had to bunch it up a bit when he pulled it back together.

Like I say, I'm not worried. It was a inguinal hernia, so it doesn't show in public. I would rather have the scar than the 324 pounds I had before.

101 DesertSage  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:02:46am

re: #95 spidly

fight. two guys in the street and the manhole guy coming in aid to one of them
featured guy thinks he's going to use manhole cover as a weapon. slow mo you see he dropped it on his am, probably breaking it.

Well, some people are just dumb as a bag of hammers.

102 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:03:17am

re: #89 Dark_Falcon

No, "uh oh" because it might give Biden sympathy votes. And especially, "uh oh" because someone is very sick. That is always a bad thing.

A serious illness in the family of his in-laws. How much sympathy does one get for that?

103 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:03:34am

re: #99 Moe Katz

re: #96 spidly

maybe the Biden exit strategy?

Yep.

but he won the debate, dontcha know

104 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:03:42am

re: #73 pat

I sent that post on to Charles. I hope he catches it in the morning. And Pat, try reading the rules at the top of the page. You may get the stick from Charles for that remark.

105 LeePro  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:04:42am

re: #82 Moe Katz

You mean, uh oh because he won't be visible to put his foot in his mouth, right?

I mean uh-oh because if he "conveeeeeeeeeniently" drops out, guess who will might replace!

106 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:06:35am

re: #103 spidly

but he won the debate, dontcha know

This election is teaching some folks about the social construction of reality. This phrase will pass from the rarified air of sociological discourse to common parlance.

107 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:07:34am

re: #105 LeePro

I mean uh-oh because if he "conveeeeeeeeeniently" drops out, guess who will might replace!

Possibly ... though I'd be surprised. He's leading anyway, why fix what ain't broke?

108 Nightwatch  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:07:42am

re: #91 redc1c4


AARRGGHH,

That said, .......a TOAST to being scaled or scalded ,choose your poison lizzie's


REAL WEST............real west, my jkeyboard is wt wit red wien....toast ya bastards.. comeeeeon ..........WHO is mandy........zzz.z.zz.z.zzz.

109 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:08:06am

re: #102 Moe Katz

A serious illness in the family of his in-laws. How much sympathy does one get for that?

Not much, you're right. But I stand by the second part. That having been said, we may have an opportunity. If they pull Biden, they admit just what a boneheaded choice they made. We must seize any such club they offer us and pound them with it. Sarah Palin vindicated John McCain's judgment. We must see that if Biden is replaced, Obama's failure of judgment is highlighted.

110 LeePro  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:11:19am

re: #101 DesertSage

Well, some people are just dumb as a bag of hammers.

Like I said: check the poster's name — num1jackass

;D

111 least  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:11:49am

re: #108 Nightwatch

Wha?

112 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:11:52am

re: #109 Dark_Falcon

Not much, you're right. But I stand by the second part. That having been said, we may have an opportunity. If they pull Biden, they admit just what a boneheaded choice they made. We must seize any such club they offer us and pound them with it. Sarah Palin vindicated John McCain's judgment. We must see that if Biden is replaced, Obama's failure of judgment is highlighted.

It just seems you could photograph Obama molesting sheep and the MSM would find a way to downplay it.

113 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:13:00am

re: #108 Nightwatch

AARRGGHH,

That said, .......a TOAST to being scaled or scalded ,choose your poison lizzie's... REAL WEST............real west, my jkeyboard is wt wit red wien....toast ya bastards.. comeeeeon ..........WHO is mandy........zzz.z.zz.z.zzz.

Did you just go through an anal probe by aliens?

114 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:13:11am

I just sew part of this. I can honestly say that it scared me. I will not panic, but I am more certain than ever that we must win this election.

115 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:15:15am

this is *not* a good sign..... out back scanning for rats, and i hear a siren start up to the east, headed my way.....

then i here a chopper beating feet also. usually, this time of night, they go easy on the sound in this AO, but not this time. blew right by, headed west, but not that far..... followed by another siren a skosh later. first was likely Fire dept, 2nd, LAPD.....

not good on a saturday night, but at least i didn't hear gunshots.

i don't miss living in *that* kind of area.... %-)

116 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:15:25am

re: #106 Moe Katz

This election is teaching some folks about the social construction of reality. This phrase will pass from the rarified air of sociological discourse to common parlance.

you think the current construct will go the way of its cousin Baghdad Bobianism since the efforts are so transparent?

117 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:15:31am

re: #112 Moe Katz

It just seems you could photograph Obama molesting sheep and the MSM would find a way to downplay it.

Agreed. So we must question his judgment. Here, in other forums, to our co-workers, whenever we can. Obama must be defeated and we must do what we can to see that that happens.

118 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:15:50am

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

I just sew part of this. I can honestly say that it scared me. I will not panic, but I am more certain than ever that we must win this election.

Good grief!

119 LeePro  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:16:37am

re: #73 pat

re: #104 Walter L. Newton

I sent that post on to Charles. I hope he catches it in the morning. And Pat, try reading the rules at the top of the page. You may get the stick from Charles for that remark.

Nothing wrong with Pat's remark, Walter. People get whacked for being racist, not for naming them.

/THIS post sent to Charles.

120 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:16:57am

re: #112 Moe Katz

It just seems you could photograph Obama molesting sheep and the MSM would find a way to downplay it.

they won't get that photo until after he's elected and he socks it to the morons who elected him.

121 pat  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:17:17am

re: #92 Karridine

;)

122 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:17:44am

re: #116 spidly

you think the current construct will go the way of its cousin Baghdad Bobianism since the efforts are so transparent?

I just don't question anymore the capacity of people to brainwash people. It's fucking depressing.

123 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:18:06am

re: #115 redc1c4

this is *not* a good sign..... out back scanning for rats, and i hear a siren start up to the east, headed my way.....

then i here a chopper beating feet also. usually, this time of night, they go easy on the sound in this AO, but not this time. blew right by, headed west, but not that far..... followed by another siren a skosh later. first was likely Fire dept, 2nd, LAPD.....

not good on a saturday night, but at least i didn't hear gunshots.

i don't miss living in *that* kind of area.... %-)

Bushitler martial law begins? Naomi Wolf was right?

124 Karridine  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:18:17am

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

I just sew part of this. I can honestly say that it scared me. I will not panic, but I am more certain than ever that we must win this election.

Obama's Blackshirts

125 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:19:08am

re: #119 LeePro

re: #104 Walter L. Newton


Nothing wrong with Pat's remark, Walter. People get whacked for being racist, not for naming them.

/THIS post sent to Charles.

I'm sorry, when I read it, it appeared that he was wishing this list of people would die. Perhaps I am misreading it. I'm sorry if I stir a pot here.

126 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:20:28am

re: #117 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. So we must question his judgment. Here, in other forums, to our co-workers, whenever we can. Obama must be defeated and we must do what we can to see that that happens.

I agree. I certainly wouldn't throw my hands up and wail like EIDE :) Much could still happen and one must keep trying.

127 LeePro  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:20:49am

re: #125 Walter L. Newton

;)

129 pat  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:22:25am

re: #125 Walter L. Newton

Why would I want them to die? Many are relatives. They are just idiots, opportunists, or free loaders. They still show up at Thanksgiving and Christmas.
Speaking of which, another group lands in an hour.

130 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:22:35am

re: #123 spidly

Bushitler martial law begins? Naomi Wolf was right?

more likely a spectacular MVA........ or some sort of felony in progress, since they called for air support. we did have a shooting a few blocks away awhile back...... i counted 20+ gunshots, and the only person left at the scene was a thug with a minor flesh wound in the leg...... he was on his cell phone as they wheeled him into the ambulance. happened outside the localest (we have several) Starbucks....

131 Nightwatch  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:22:46am

re: #113 Walter L. Newton


NO! by all concrete, ya blasted one! just prepping ya up for more engagement of the key-board tippy-tappy type! But I reserve the right to shot=gun blast anyone standing 3 to 4 feet to my left as the keyboard lye's!

132 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:23:15am

re: #119 LeePro

re: #104 Walter L. Newton

Nothing wrong with Pat's remark, Walter. People get whacked for being racist, not for naming them.

/THIS post sent to Charles.

Point taken. It's just that Pat has said troll-like things in the past. After the imbroglio over EIDE, I'm kind've in a "Won't Get Fooled Again" mode.

133 ibmkeyboard  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:23:30am

After Barney Frank Chris Dodd and Nancy Peloski along with other notable idiots have melted down the finical sector of the USA.

I have reached a decision that the safest job in America will not be a slick talking senator, congressman/woman, or even the president.
I often thought people working in the food or clothing business had the safest jobs.
The safest job in America will be the man or woman running a dollar printing press.
According to my estimates he or she will have to print 47 trillion dollars over the next 70 years.
We will have paid for his/her house, their children's college education and health insurance. Not to mention their social security and pension.

Does anyone know how I can get a job at the United States Treasury dept via The United States Bureau of Engraving and Printing?

/lets see, 47 trillion divided by 89 years might not be too long-
uh- 47 trillion divided by..........

134 Karridine  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:24:07am

re: #129 pat

Walter missed the part about all those groups 'believe... we should... die'

/a misread. It happens. I'm outta here.

135 pat  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:24:45am

Pat doesn't say troll things, but on the other hand, eh.....? I say what I say.

136 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:25:25am

re: #135 pat

Pat doesn't say troll things, but on the other hand, eh.....? I say what I say.

I yam what I yam.

137 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:25:27am

re: #130 redc1c4

funniest part was that *none* of my neighbors even recognized the sounds as gunshots when we talked about it later.......

or is that "saddest"?

138 freedomplow  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:25:55am

Send Palin to Iraq, Afghanistan, Germany and Israel.

Bring Nugent

And Kid Rock

Double Down.

139 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:26:08am

re: #128 West Coast Freedom

Back In Time...

1966-1971
Obama moves to Indonesia with his mother in 1966 or 1967. [6] Dunham marries Indonesian Muslim Lolo Soetoro. [6] Soetoro likely adopts Obama, whose name is changed to Barry Soetoro. Elementary school records in Indonesia list Obama’s new name as Barry Soetoro and his religion as Islam. [14,172] Obama may or may not have actively practiced the Muslim religion, but according to one of his Indonesian school principals, Tine Hahiyary, the young Obama studied “Mangaji,” which involves the recitation of the Quran. [15]

It really doesn't matter. He has publicly professed to being a Christian. Even if you don't like his Black Liberation Theology brand of Christianity, I don't think this is in anyway an issue.

At least not anymore than he may be sensitive (or even bias) to a Muslims mindset.

Oh sure, he could be just "fooling us" about being Christian, but we can't really know.

There's a hell of a lot bigger problems with Obama than some schooling he received as a child.

140 Spirit93  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:26:12am

re: #134 Karridine

Go, get some sleep!
And weet dreams.

141 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:26:30am

re: #122 Moe Katz

I just don't question anymore the capacity of people to brainwash people. It's fucking depressing.

not even brainwashing... selling out cheap

DEMS, the party of:
Slavery, KKK, Jim Crow, Stalin Worship, Mussolini Idolatry, Castro cosiness, Sandanista support, Opposition to Civil Rights, Moa and Ho.....
But they are the party of welfare checks, forget that other stuff. get on board with the new servitude!

142 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:28:06am

re: #139 Walter L. Newton

It really doesn't matter. He has publicly professed to being a Christian. Even if you don't like his Black Liberation Theology brand of Christianity, I don't think this is in anyway an issue.

At least not anymore than he may be sensitive (or even bias) to a Muslims mindset.

Oh sure, he could be just "fooling us" about being Christian, but we can't really know.

There's a hell of a lot bigger problems with Obama than some schooling he received as a child.

If he hasn't been forthcoming about his Muslim youth, though, that is ammunition for the campaign, no? A big gotcha?

143 pat  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:28:38am

re: #138 freedomplow

And Dolly Parton came out STRONG for her today!

144 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:29:24am

re: #131 Nightwatch

NO! by all concrete, ya blasted one! just prepping ya up for more engagement of the key-board tippy-tappy type! But I reserve the right to shot=gun blast anyone standing 3 to 4 feet to my left as the keyboard lye's!

Ok. Step away from your keyboard. Put the bottle of Everclear down, take a deep breath and...

See, now that's better isn't it? Now, don't try to make it all the way to the bedroom, the closest couch or chair will be fine.

Lie down, now go to that happy place, go to that happy place, and I betcha golly gee, everything will be alright.

Ok Dr. Phil, take over.

145 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:30:30am

Walter's in good form tonight.

146 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:31:34am

re: #141 spidly

not even brainwashing... selling out cheap

DEMS, the party of:
Slavery, KKK, Jim Crow, Stalin Worship, Mussolini Idolatry, Castro cosiness, Sandanista support, Opposition to Civil Rights, Moa and Ho.....
But they are the party of welfare checks, forget that other stuff. get on board with the new servitude!

I don't really even want to think about an Obama administration.

147 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:31:46am

re: #138 freedomplow

Send Palin to Iraq, Afghanistan, Germany and Israel.

Bring Nugent

And Kid Rock

Double Down.

the Nuge could sneak into Pakistan, kill the whoe of the Taliban and stick an arrow in Osama's Eyball from 1000 yards...if he were still alive

148 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:32:24am

I'm out for the night. That video will ensure I have interesting dreams, I'm sure.

149 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:32:35am

re: #142 Moe Katz

If he hasn't been forthcoming about his Muslim youth, though, that is ammunition for the campaign, no? A big gotcha?

No, that would be really delving into the nuances of faith, what it means to be a Muslim, how to be a Muslim, if he was of a viable age etc. There is a multitude of ways he could finese his way out of those religious points.

I say it's really not worth the trouble.

Now, if he starts by opening the next debate with a reading from the koran...

150 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:32:53am

'Night, Falcon...

152 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:33:30am

re: #147 spidly

...if he were still alive (Osama that is)

153 LeePro  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:33:46am

re: #139 Walter L. Newton

It really doesn't matter. He has publicly professed to being a Christian. [...]

But is he really a christian? ...the Muslims teach that it is "okay" to lie about being a Muslim, if it promotes their cause.

154 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:34:18am

re: #149 Walter L. Newton

No, that would be really delving into the nuances of faith, what it means to be a Muslim, how to be a Muslim, if he was of a viable age etc. There is a multitude of ways he could finese his way out of those religious points.

I say it's really not worth the trouble.

Now, if he starts by opening the next debate with a reading from the koran...

You're probably right, especially the way the MSM would spin it.

155 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:35:04am

re: #153 LeePro

But is he really a christian? ...the Muslims teach that it is "okay" to lie about being a Muslim, if it promotes their cause.

He's a Wrightian. Church of race and class warfare with some Christian props.

156 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:35:11am

re: #145 Moe Katz

Walter's in good form tonight.

Thanks. It's 1:30ish here in Colorado and for some reason I am wide-eyed and not the least bit tired. I don't have to be back to work at the theatre until about 3:00pm Sunday to get ready for our 6:00pm performance.

157 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:36:21am

re: #153 LeePro

But is he really a christian? ...the Muslims teach that it is "okay" to lie about being a Muslim, if it promotes their cause.

I saw an old interview with him on YouTube that convinced me he's an atheist and sees religion as a way of getting people to participate in a cause. It's pure manipulation to him, I'm convinced....

158 LeePro  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:36:29am

re: #155 spidly

He's a Wrightian. Church of race and class warfare with some Christian props.

Heh.

159 Nightwatch  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:36:56am

re: #141 spidly

re: #141 spidly

sorry man, had to double down the click to make sure you proofed, point taken, best not repeated, you have to know you enemy without painting the side of the barn RED!

Least everyone knows.....ya...know? (OLD Indian saying..Mayan I think.)

Dude, my bottle of Merlot is....where?


RACER-X?

160 Mel Lono  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:37:15am

re: #24 redc1c4

i lurves me some PJ......

Remember, your body needs 6 to 8 glasses of fluid daily. Straight up or on the rocks.
O'Rourke, P.J.

You're both my heroes.

161 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:37:33am

re: #156 Walter L. Newton

Thanks. It's 1:30ish here in Colorado and for some reason I am wide-eyed and not the least bit tired. I don't have to be back to work at the theatre until about 3:00pm Sunday to get ready for our 6:00pm performance.

And you're a night person by nature.

162 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:37:46am

re: #153 LeePro

But is he really a christian? ...the Muslims teach that it is "okay" to lie about being a Muslim, if it promotes their cause.

See my 149.

I really wouldn't care if we had a Muslim candidate, really. The only issues I have with Muslims is the ones that want to kill me. I'm not at the point of lumping them all into one caravan.

163 Mel Lono  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:39:20am

re: #67 least

So where did he (?) go.
Is he just laying low?
Did the Capo di tutti lizardos get fed up?
What?

He's been assimilated.
/still trying to catch up/

164 Nightwatch  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:40:38am

re: #144 Walter L. Newton


Now we find our lamblasted one standing out iin the back-yard, fly down and peein on the dead grass while screaming, " DAMN YA PHIL!"

165 LeePro  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:41:03am

re: #162 Walter L. Newton

But if he's lying?

Alarm bells klaxons ringing blaring...!

166 LeePro  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:41:42am

Keyboard is not comfy pillow...

    ¦O ya-a-a-w-w-w-n-n-n

G'nite {good Lizards}!

/hugs on {red}!

167 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:42:01am

re: #157 Moe Katz

I saw an old interview with him on YouTube that convinced me he's an atheist and sees religion as a way of getting people to participate in a cause. It's pure manipulation to him, I'm convinced....

That would be my best answer to his religious leanings period. I've heard him answer a few questions on his Christianity, and in the least, he has a VERY liberal understanding of traditional Christian concepts, and in the most, I don't think he buys any part of the divine aspects of Christian theology.

168 Mel Lono  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:42:58am

re: #162 Walter L. Newton

one Hlump or two?

169 srb1976  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:43:58am

re: #117 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. So we must question his judgment. Here, in other forums, to our co-workers, whenever we can. Obama must be defeated and we must do what we can to see that that happens.

Ok, this group as a whole seems a lot more active and involved than I usually am. What (aside from sending money, which I will for the first time ever) can someone in a state that will go solidly for McCain provided he doesn't start eating babies in the next month, do.

Wow, and I really apologize for the sentence construction there, but it's been a long day

170 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:44:33am

re: #166 LeePro

Keyboard is not comfy pillow...

    ¦O ya-a-a-w-w-w-n-n-n

G'nite {good Lizards}!

/hugs on {red}!

Goodnight, LeePro, pleasant dreams!

171 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:45:36am

re: #165 LeePro

But if he's lying?

Alarm bells klaxons ringing blaring...!

Ok, and what if Palins lying, she really wants put creation theology into schools. We could go on forever asking that question, is he or she, or this one or that one, or this group or that group, hey, are they lying.

Hell, you wouldn't make it though a day with that kind of cynicism. And take it from someone who wants Andy Rooneys job when it dies.

I can't think of nothing better than getting paid to gripe about everything, and to question every breath someone takes.

172 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:46:20am

re: #169 srb1976

Ok, this group as a whole seems a lot more active and involved than I usually am. What (aside from sending money, which I will for the first time ever) can someone in a state that will go solidly for McCain provided he doesn't start eating babies in the next month, do.

Wow, and I really apologize for the sentence construction there, but it's been a long day

if you are near a state that is in play - or even if you are not and have time on your hands - you can sign up to canvass. there's phone calls, yadda yadda yadda.
contact the campaign and see

173 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:46:43am

re: #167 Walter L. Newton

That would be my best answer to his religious leanings period. I've heard him answer a few questions on his Christianity, and in the least, he has a VERY liberal understanding of traditional Christian concepts, and in the most, I don't think he buys any part of the divine aspects of Christian theology.

Exactly. He is the prototypical red that lives under one's bed.

174 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:46:43am

re: #166 LeePro

Keyboard is not comfy pillow...

    ¦O ya-a-a-w-w-w-n-n-n

G'nite {good Lizards}!

/hugs on {red}!

Night wonderful, sleep well.

175 Spirit93  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:47:21am

re: #169 srb1976

Talk to or email friends, relatives.

176 srb1976  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:48:31am

re: #172 spidly

I'm sure that seems like a stupid question, but I'm in alabama, I'm expecting to see LARGE margins of victory for McCain here. I've always voted, I've just never actively gotten involved (since mostly I've voted against people rather than for them)

Thanks though.

177 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:49:50am

re: #171 Walter L. Newton

Ok, and what if Palins lying, she really wants put creation theology into schools. We could go on forever asking that question, is he or she, or this one or that one, or this group or that group, hey, are they lying.

Hell, you wouldn't make it though a day with that kind of cynicism. And take it from someone who wants Andy Rooneys job when it dies.

I can't think of nothing better than getting paid to gripe about everything, and to question every breath someone takes.

we're pretty sure he'll sell The US, Georgia, Ukraine, and Israel down the river, let Iran Have nukes and roll over Iraq, ignore the Norks while they go nuts, etc.. regardless of his theology so there's not much use in questioning it

178 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:50:31am

I'm really upset now. Selma Hayek was suppose to stop by my apartment tonight after she got off set from a movie she is filming and she's not here. And I try to call her cell and all I get is her answering service back in L.A.

What gives?

179 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:51:26am

re: #177 spidly

we're pretty sure he'll sell The US, Georgia, Ukraine, and Israel down the river, let Iran Have nukes and roll over Iraq, ignore the Norks while they go nuts, etc.. regardless of his theology so there's not much use in questioning it

Carter did much the same geopolitically and he was a good Southern Baptist. So you really can't win.

180 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:51:27am

re: #177 spidly

we're pretty sure he'll sell The US, Georgia, Ukraine, and Israel down the river, let Iran Have nukes and roll over Iraq, ignore the Norks while they go nuts, etc.. regardless of his theology so there's not much use in questioning it

That sums it up. I'd rather target those issues then the religious ones.

181 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:53:00am

re: #178 Walter L. Newton

I'm really upset now. Selma Hayek was suppose to stop by my apartment tonight after she got off set from a movie she is filming and she's not here. And I try to call her cell and all I get is her answering service back in L.A.

What gives?

and we just have Danny Glover lurking around Portland

182 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:54:10am

re: #181 spidly

and we just have Danny Glover lurking around Portland

A really great actor, a really dumbsit moonbat of the highest order.

183 Nightwatch  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:54:28am

re: #171 Walter L. Newton


Damn ya, waiting for the witty repost and now seeing time heading for the O-Dark- One mark, work in less than 6 and a glass-o-red yet to be drained, your a fine player!

See you soon my friend.

Night lizards

184 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:55:01am

re: #181 spidly

and we just have Danny Glover lurking around Portland

Is he in town on a shoot or does he live there?

185 srb1976  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:55:29am

re: #178 Walter L. Newton

She's probably just mad that you're calling her Selma....I'm pretty sure it's Salma. You know how sensitive us girls get over things like that = )

186 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:55:31am

re: #180 Walter L. Newton

That sums it up. I'd rather target those issues then the religious ones.

Oh yeah, he'll coddle Chavez, cower before Putin, Prop up the Castros, destabilize Pakistan...

187 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:55:44am

re: #183 Nightwatch

Damn ya, waiting for the witty repost and now seeing time heading for the O-Dark- One mark, work in less than 6 and a glass-o-red yet to be drained, your a fine player! See you soon my friend. Night lizards

Yes, what he said!

188 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:55:49am

re: #184 Walter L. Newton

Is he in town on a shoot or does he live there?

he lives here

189 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:57:06am

re: #160 Mel Lono

You're both my heroes.

you're attempting to flatter the unflatterable...... after all Heroes are hard to find, but we can be heroes,
just for one day.

i was never a hero, but i was privileged enough to serve with some.

Scouts Out!

190 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:57:06am

re: #185 srb1976

She's probably just mad that you're calling her Selma....I'm pretty sure it's Salma. You know how sensitive us girls get over things like that = )

Shit, I thought her business card looked phony.

191 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:57:24am

re: #183 Nightwatch

Damn ya, waiting for the witty repost and now seeing time heading for the O-Dark- One mark, work in less than 6 and a glass-o-red yet to be drained, your a fine player!

See you soon my friend.

Night lizards

work'll be a blast tomorrow. Spew in a garbage can in the morning and go to it

192 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:58:00am

re: #188 spidly

he lives here

Isn't Portland where all the hippies finally ended up because they heard there were no jobs up there?

193 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:58:43am

Time for me to pack it in too. Thanks everyone for good conversation.

194 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:59:09am

re: #166 LeePro

Keyboard is not comfy pillow...

    ¦O ya-a-a-w-w-w-n-n-n

G'nite {good Lizards}!

/hugs on {red}!

/me throws myself in the pool to drown the cooties.

damn good thing it's still 94*!

(gotta love that solar cover! %-)

195 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:59:12am

re: #193 Moe Katz

Time for me to pack it in too. Thanks everyone for good conversation.

Night Moe.

196 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:59:46am

re: #192 Walter L. Newton

Isn't Portland where all the hippies finally ended up because they heard there were no jobs up there?

Those are the Eugene and Hood River Valley hippies. They came to Ken Kesey-land to grow dope, pick shrooms and cook up meth in the woods

197 Mel Lono  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:00:09am

re: #189 redc1c4

Not bad, got your six.

198 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:00:35am

re: #173 Moe Katz

Exactly. He is the prototypical red that lives under one's bed.

leave me outta this!

199 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:01:22am

re: #198 redc1c4

leave me outta this!

Come to think of it, you'd better be careful with that nic.

200 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:02:40am

re: #178 Walter L. Newton

I'm really upset now. Selma Hayek was suppose to stop by my apartment tonight after she got off set from a movie she is filming and she's not here. And I try to call her cell and all I get is her answering service back in L.A.

What gives?

i'll see if i can get her to post when she comes back with my refill.....

201 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:02:59am

re: #196 spidly

Those are the Eugene and Hood River Valley hippies. They came to Ken Kesey-land to grow dope, pick shrooms and cook up meth in the woods

And they hold all these mud festivals and run around neked. i have a friend of mine who visits some festival there once a year. Ya know, I'm a bit of a nut, and sometimes a little slut, but some of the dudes and ladies that he was taking pictures of, well, let's say just keep it behind the bushes folks.

202 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:03:56am

re: #200 redc1c4

i'll see if i can get her to post when she comes back with my refill.....

What is she refilling, your saline drip. LOL!

203 Mel Lono  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:06:01am

re: #189 redc1c4

Imagine Imagine there's no heroes. Neil has his faults, but he did vote for Reagan.

204 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:06:06am

re: #199 Moe Katz

Come to think of it, you'd better be careful with that nic.

"careful" is against my religious beliefs......

/such as they are %-)

205 srb1976  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:06:35am

Well, good night folks, i got off work 4 hours early, better use some of the time sleeping or else I'm not going to see Little man and Her Royal Stoutness much tomorrow

206 freedomplow  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:10:03am

re: #147 spidly

the Nuge could sneak into Pakistan, kill the whoe of the Taliban and stick an arrow in Osama's Eyball from 1000 yards...if he were still alive

60 million people are now free In Iraq and Afghanistan.
McCain and Palin should be shouting that from the roof tops.

The men and women that give their lives for this country are so awesome.
What kind of world would we live in if not for American Heroes?

Never again will we have a media that tells the public they died for nothing. That is so sick, so unconscionable.

They are all heroes. The media is trying to tell the public that they are not.
Yes You NBC and MSNBC. You are so disgusting.

Here is another Biden-Obama lie if anyone is counting.

NY Times Iraq Reporter Corrects Russert: 'American Troops Were Greeted as Liberators

207 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:10:38am

re: #201 Walter L. Newton

And they hold all these mud festivals and run around neked. i have a friend of mine who visits some festival there once a year. Ya know, I'm a bit of a nut, and sometimes a little slut, but some of the dudes and ladies that he was taking pictures of, well, let's say just keep it behind the bushes folks.

Oregon Country Fair

dope and naked people

when I was little it was just a granola event with Bob Rossian and New Yankee Workshop types. oldstyle blacksmith, SCA events.

208 IslandLibertarian  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:13:12am

'cause cyclops are not sexy............

Saudi Cleric Says Women Must Wear One-Eye Veil to Prevent 'Seduction'

cue Rod Serling

209 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:13:37am

re: #207 spidly

Oregon Country Fair

dope and naked people

when I was little it was just a granola event with Bob Rossian and New Yankee Workshop types. oldstyle blacksmith, SCA events.

Yep, that's it.

210 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:14:12am

Who is this shill Michael Hehnhenn, who wrote the AP article about Sarah Palin's bringing up the Obama/Ayers connection?

Instead of just reporting what she said and Obama's reaction, we get this editorializing straight off Campaign Obama's talking points list:

While it is known that Obama and Ayers live in the same Chicago neighborhood, served on a charity board together and had a fleeting political connection, it's a stretch of any reading of the public record to say the pair ever palled around. And it's simply wrong to suggest that they were associated while Ayers was committing terrorist acts.

What a scumbag. I'm trying to find his e-mail address, no luck so far.

211 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:21:20am

re: #203 Mel Lono

Imagine Imagine there's no heroes. Neil has his faults, but he did vote for Reagan.

this is more my style for Neil..... i've gotta get a copy of "Hot August Night", but i think just about everyone here will get behind this song from Super Bowl XXI.....

212 freedomplow  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:21:21am

If the McCain campaign doesn't read LGF and the comments, you are not on top of the pulse of America.

213 Mel Lono  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:22:53am

re: #211 redc1c4

this is more my style for Neil..... i've gotta get a copy of "Hot August Night", but i think just about everyone here will get behind this song from Super Bowl XXI.....

somewhere, in storage, I've got HAN on vinyl.

214 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:24:54am

re: #210 Tigger2005

Who is this shill Michael Hehnhenn, who wrote the AP article about Sarah Palin's bringing up the Obama/Ayers connection?

Instead of just reporting what she said and Obama's reaction, we get this editorializing straight off Campaign Obama's talking points list:

What a scumbag. I'm trying to find his e-mail address, no luck so far.

gotta better spelling of his name? this one seems garbled

215 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:25:46am

re: #213 Mel Lono

somewhere, in storage, I've got HAN on vinyl.

don't remember if i've got the LP: it'd be at the P's HA, but even a CD would be nice......

216 Mel Lono  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:27:06am

Oilfinger

I know I'm not first, but I think you had to know.

217 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:27:28am

re: #212 freedomplow

If the McCain campaign doesn't read LGF and the comments, you are not on top of the pulse of America.

if the McCain campaign read this, and other, similar, blogs, and *acted* on the contents thereof, they wouldn't be in the situation they're in right now.

218 Mel Lono  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:29:20am

re: #215 redc1c4

don't remember if i've got the LP: it'd be at the P's HA, but even a CD would be nice......

My 16 yr old son has an affliction affection for Kearth and Ipods. I'll set him on the trail. I started him with Hotel California and look where it got me.

219 kansas  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:29:38am

Dick Morris says the new polls show McCain lost the first debate and that suspending his campaign was disastrous. His analysis of the Electoral map one month out shows an Obama landslide.

McCain is starting to remind me of Mohammed Ali in his last fights. I always thought he was roping a dope. But he just couldn't pull the trigger. We found out that he couldn't pull the trigger anymore.

220 Sailor5116  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:31:54am

Conservatives should take Obama's advice and 'get in the faces of undecided voters' with facts.

Link to original image. Pass it on to everyone you know, post in blogs. We have to force this PUNK to answer for this.

farm4.static.flickr.com/3211/2913717263_8e8326076a _o.jpg

Please visit the original image and pass it along to everyone you know

221 kansas  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:33:25am

re: #39 Moe Katz

Anybody miss EIDE_interface yet?


Last posts of his I read somebody ought to go check out his house, see if there are any bad smells or the mail is piling up outside.

222 Mel Lono  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:33:44am

re: #219 kansas

Dick Morris says the new polls show McCain lost the first debate and that suspending his campaign was disastrous. His analysis of the Electoral map one month out shows an Obama landslide.

McCain is starting to remind me of Mohammed Ali in his last fights. I always thought he was roping a dope. But he just couldn't pull the trigger. We found out that he couldn't pull the trigger anymore.

I feel like John Wayne in "The Searchers", hopelessly outnumbered. Nothing to live for...

223 Spirit93  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:36:30am

re: #219 kansas

Dick Morris says the new polls show McCain lost the first debate and that suspending his campaign was disastrous. His analysis of the Electoral map one month out shows an Obama landslide.


He claims to know what's going to happen a month from now based on some polls? Please.
BTW, got a linky for that?

224 Spirit93  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:36:48am

re: #220 Sailor5116
Linky no worky.

225 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:37:58am

re: #214 redc1c4

gotta better spelling of his name? this one seems garbled

Sorry, it's KUHNHENN, duh. I was searching under the correct name, though.

226 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:39:53am

Just got here- did I miss anything?

227 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:40:47am

re: #218 Mel Lono

My 16 yr old son has an affliction affection for Kearth and Ipods. I'll set him on the trail. I started him with Hotel California and look where it got me.

too bad he'll never get to know Huggy Boy.....

/back when radio was full of choices.

228 Mel Lono  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:41:21am

re: #226 Fenway_Nation

Just got here- did I miss anything?

Yeah, Cubs lost.

229 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:41:51am

re: #222 Mel Lono

I feel like John Wayne in "The Searchers", hopelessly outnumbered. Nothing to live for...

Uh, how about the millions and millions of other people who are going to be voting for McCain/Palin? Aren't they worth living for? How about fighting for your country? Isn't that worth living for?

I am SO glad Churchill and Roosevelt didn't have the "give up" attitude of some people in here, when the armies of Hell were surging over the face of the Earth and everything seemed bleak and hopeless.

The defenders of Stalingrad ate shoe leather to survive.

For f*cks sake, buck up!

230 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:41:55am

re: #220 Sailor5116

green smoke, anyone?

nice 2nd poast there buddy.

231 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:42:24am

re: #228 Mel Lono

Yeah, Cubs lost.


Let me clairfy. Did I miss anything out of the ordinary?

232 Mel Lono  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:43:00am

re: #227 redc1c4

too bad he'll never get to know Huggy Boy.....

/back when radio was full of choices.

Yep. KHJ was for us white folks.

233 Temujin  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:45:05am

re: #225 Tigger2005

The name is Jim Kuhnhenn ; that doesn't help much when searching, though.

234 Mel Lono  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:45:06am

re: #229 Tigger2005

Uh, how about the millions and millions of other people who are going to be voting for McCain/Palin? Aren't they worth living for? How about fighting for your country? Isn't that worth living for?

I am SO glad Churchill and Roosevelt didn't have the "give up" attitude of some people in here, when the armies of Hell were surging over the face of the Earth and everything seemed bleak and hopeless.

The defenders of Stalingrad ate shoe leather to survive.

For f*cks sake, buck up!

yellow* not doing this tonight.

235 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:45:20am

re: #232 Mel Lono

Yep. KHJ was for us white folks.

and they played all the hits! Boss Radio.............. down in the Goldmine.

236 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:52:11am

re: #229 Tigger2005

Uh, how about the millions and millions of other people who are going to be voting for McCain/Palin? Aren't they worth living for? How about fighting for your country? Isn't that worth living for?

I am SO glad Churchill and Roosevelt didn't have the "give up" attitude of some people in here, when the armies of Hell were surging over the face of the Earth and everything seemed bleak and hopeless.

The defenders of Stalingrad ate shoe leather to survive.

For f*cks sake, buck up!

It's not OVER!

237 TheMatrix31  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:54:58am

Any new national polls post-VP debate?

238 Mel Lono  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:57:37am

re: #236 spidly

It's not OVER!

It's my party And this could get ugly.

239 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:59:50am

I have this sudden craving for fruitcup.

240 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:00:01am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet -------------------------->
Help yourselves!

241 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:00:22am

Fenway! :-)

242 Mel Lono  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:01:12am

re: #241 littleoldlady

Morning maam. Hope you're not Cub fan.

243 Temujin  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:02:08am

re: #225 Tigger2005

James Kuhnhenn appears to have been employed as a correspondent for Knight-Ridder, presumably(?) prior to AP :

[Link: www.zoominfo.com...]

244 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:03:10am

re: #242 Mel Lono

Mel! :-)

Nope. Phillies.

/not much better, is it?

245 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:03:16am
246 Temujin  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:03:27am

re: #240 littleoldlady

Good moning, LoL. And thanks!

247 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:04:02am

Temujin! :-)

248 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:04:24am

re: #238 Mel Lono

It's my party And this could get ugly.

well damn

249 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:05:17am

re: #240 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet -------------------------->
Help yourselves!

so, how do you like the taste tonight?

250 Mel Lono  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:07:19am

re: #244 littleoldlady

Mel! :-)

Nope. Phillies.

/not much better, is it?

rooting for you, and the Devil Rays, except I'm a NL guy and got nowhere to go.

251 Mel Lono  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:08:29am

re: #248 spidly

my son knows who did that one., bless him

252 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:09:24am

re: #249 redc1c4

red! :-)

Addictive! :-)

re: #250 Mel Lono

I would say, "please don't jinx my team" except that around here just breathing does that. ;-)

253 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:10:51am

re: #244 littleoldlady

I'm glad that particular series is gonna last a little bit longer for hardly any other reason than that I can listen to Bob Uecker do the play-by-play on XM.

/Plus Gabe Kapler (as a Brewer) autographed my Red Sox 2004 Sports Illustrated cover earlier this year. I also caught C.C. Sabathia on his way into the ballpark last year and he signed a baseball for me.

254 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:14:35am

re: #253 Fenway_Nation

You're a real fan, Fenway. Me, I know things are going well when I'm called upon to make taco dip for a crowd.

;-)

Anyway, I hope we at least get past this series, mostly because my little brother - a raging Phillies fan since he was 5 or 6 - is about due for a feel-good season.

255 armaros  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:20:48am

Watch this clip of a 2004 Congressional hearing into F/F shady accounting tricks.

256 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:21:36am

re: #253 Fenway_Nation

I'm glad that particular series is gonna last a little bit longer for hardly any other reason than that I can listen to Bob Uecker do the play-by-play on XM.

/Plus Gabe Kapler (as a Brewer) autographed my Red Sox 2004 Sports Illustrated cover earlier this year. I also caught C.C. Sabathia on his way into the ballpark last year and he signed a baseball for me.

i got Lee Ving's autograph last sunday............ %-)

257 Mel Lono  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:23:56am

Night all. Go Chargers!

258 Attaboid  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:24:44am

Yummm! Fruitcup. Just what I needed.
Thanks Little Old Lady!

259 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:26:19am

Attaboid! :-)

Would you eat it in a box?
Would you eat it with a fox?

260 Attaboid  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:27:24am

A hint of Cinnamon

261 Attaboid  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:28:36am

And how about some lox?

262 armaros  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:29:36am
263 Temujin  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:31:31am

Thoughtcrime.

Liberals Rethink Free Speech.

Any restrictions on speech -- real or imagined -- were once inevitably deemed to have a "chilling effect" on people who would otherwise exercise their First Amendment rights if they weren't so frightened by the possibility of running afoul of the law. Claims of a "chilling effect" were the most reliable weapon in the American Civil Liberties Union's absolutist campaign against, say, even the most common-sensical laws against obscenity.

264 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:34:51am

re: #261 Attaboid

And how about some lox?

Why not?

265 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:34:52am

re: #254 littleoldlady


Game two of that Angels/Red Sox series is exactly what October baseball should look like (especially the Boston winning part). Boston gets out to an early 4-1 lead, adds to it a little later on but despite only one extra-bases hit the whole game, the Angels claw back to tie the game 5-5 late.

In the top of the 9th, Big Papi hammers a ball off the Angels closer (Frankie Rodriguez) that barely stays in the park for a double and is lifted for a pinch runner, Coco Crisp (no, really- that's his name). Rodriguez throws to second and just misses getting Crisp thrown out leading off the base (he dove back in, and if the shortstop had blocked the plate like a catcher, Crisp would've been out). The Rodriguez gives up a two-run homer to Sox right-fielder J.D. Drew that initially looked like it was going to drop or hit the wall for a base-hit.

I actually caught Game One in person, which was a pretty good game (7 complete innings and 120 pitches of one-run baseball for cancer-survivor John Lester) but I was at a bar for Game Two and people who I know for a fact don't like baseball were watching, simply riveted and trying to figure out what was gonna happen next.

266 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:39:12am

re: #256 redc1c4

Cool- what did he sign?

/or should I even ask

267 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:42:15am

re: #263 Temujin

Thoughtcrime.

Liberals Rethink Free Speech.

Any restrictions on speech -- real or imagined -- were once inevitably deemed to have a "chilling effect" on people who would otherwise exercise their First Amendment rights if they weren't so frightened by the possibility of running afoul of the law. Claims of a "chilling effect" were the most reliable weapon in the American Civil Liberties Union's absolutist campaign against, say, even the most common-sensical laws against obscenity.

Part of the challenge of taking on liberals today is that whatever you accuse them of, in their own minds the evil conservative establishment has already done it and worse, beginning at least in 1963 with the assassination of Kennedy (although many of them probably go back further) and going forward to the Patriot Act, which of course gave the Bush Administration the power to tap YOUR phone conversations on a whim and take you away in a black helicopter to a secret concentration camp and be waterboarded for saying anything negative about the administration or the war. They really believe all this, so, anything goes in the attempt to bring down the Man.

268 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:43:52am

re: #259 littleoldlady

Attaboid! :-)

Would you eat it in a box?
Would you eat it with a fox?

that depends on which fox the box belongs to.......

/white smoke

269 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:44:54am

re: #268 redc1c4

*smack!*

/Mandy mode

270 Temujin  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:48:31am

re: #267 Tigger2005

Yes, indeed.

I believe the term that a psychiatrist would use is projection.

271 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:50:41am

Ok, I'm listening to a replay of this past Friday's "Brian and Judge Napolitano" radio show, which is a Fox show.

I haven't heard the show in a year or more, but the last time I looked, I thought Napolitano was basicly a conservative.

Well, both of them are trashing Palin in the debate, trashing McCain for voting for the bailout, and have had two Obama spin doctors on tooting Obama's horn.

What the F' gives?

272 Attaboid  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:53:04am

re: #271 Walter L. Newton

They are afraid.

273 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:53:38am

re: #266 Fenway_Nation

Cool- what did he sign?

/or should I even ask

we were back stage, so i got the stage schedule from the guy running the sound board, and got Lee & his band, including Sam Bolle, who was in AO previously, to sign it, as well as Mike Palm who drew a cartoon and signed, plus the obligatory scribble from Nick Razor of GFI.... i also scrounged a copy of the AO set list, and HRH got her denim shirt signed by most of the same people.... Dr. Know left right after their set, but then again, they sucked, so it's just as well.

punk's not dead: it just smells that way! %-)

274 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:54:15am

re: #269 littleoldlady

*smack!*

/Mandy mode

thank you..... may i have another?

275 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:57:11am

Enough Already!

I have just about had it with the conservative punditry and their plaintive wailings about the unfairness of the self-proclaimed "mainstream media"...[.]

Hope springs eternal in the conservative breast that we are on the verge of an imminent breakthrough: just one more fact laid out, just one more liberal smear blown out of the water and the scales will fall off the liberal journalists' eyes. They will see the light and embark upon the path of righteousness and objectivity. This hope is as baseless as it is stupid -- akin to blowing one's lunch money on lottery tickets in the fervent belief that this time, finally, one will hit the jackpot.

Mornin folks.

276 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:58:56am

re: #274 redc1c4

thank you..... may i have another?

Of course you may!

277 Geepers  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:59:40am

Morning fruitcup.

uh ... I mean, littleoldlady.

278 Attaboid  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:59:47am

I bought a lottery ticket last night.
/I'm a sucker for stats.

279 Oldasdirt  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:00:15am

Hey lizards,Over the past few hours been looking at videos,from C-Span,to house hearings,and news from the past two years.
Now i have allways known that democrats lie,but after all this i see how good they lie,and do it with totaly straight faces.
Conclusion-They dont need to be voted out.They need to be eraticated.
Oh,,and good early morn to you guys.

280 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:00:21am

aboo! :-)

I dunno...I almost always play the Powerball.

/hope springs eternal

281 Temujin  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:01:26am

re: #276 littleoldlady

Oliver Twisted ?

282 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:02:41am

Geepers! :-)

I've been called fruitcake fruitcup before. ;-)

283 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:04:06am

Oldasdirt! :-)

Temujin! :-)

/been called twisted, too
//I see we have Variation on a Theme today...

284 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:07:34am

re: #280 littleoldlady

aboo! :-)

I dunno...I almost always play the Powerball.

/hope springs eternal

the odds worse than playing the lottery are to not play at all.

you go from slim to none at all.

/science!

285 Geepers  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:08:42am

aboo-Hoo-Hoo (##275),

They will see the light and embark upon the path of righteousness and objectivity.

Completely misses the mark. I don't think that's actually the objective at all as nobody thinks these died-in-the-wool liberals are going to change, rather it's to discredit them as journalists and expose them for what they are. Which, if you consider sales and respect for profession numbers, is working quite nicely.

286 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:09:14am

re: #279 Oldasdirt

Hey lizards,Over the past few hours been looking at videos,from C-Span,to house hearings,and news from the past two years.
Now i have allways known that democrats lie,but after all this i see how good they lie,and do it with totaly straight faces.
Conclusion-They dont need to be voted out.They need to be eraticated.
Oh,,and good early morn to you guys.

how about we just put them all somewhere nice, and let them try all their theories on themselves, instead of on the rest of us?

/just a thought

287 Geepers  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:17:00am

redc1c4 (#284),

the odds worse than playing the lottery are to not play at all.

you go from slim to none at all.

Yeah, them same for all the "I'm not voting for Republicans any more because they don't give me what I want" crowd.

288 Oldasdirt  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:20:09am

I thought that after Bill O's exposing Barney Frank,and U-tube with all the Dem's that said back since 1995 that FM/FM were doing fine,and it has to be plain to the people that the Dem's are solely responsible for this crash that the whip would come down on them.
Then i hear that a committee will be set up to investigate the improprieties,headed by,Barney Frank and Stretch Pelosi.
My mind just spins thinking about all the injustice these people have brought.
And now like a cat in a sand box,with the help of the MSM,they will cover it up.
This is just not justice.

289 shiplord kirel  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:20:24am

Sheesh!

In reporting Sarah Palin's statements about the Obama-Ayers connection, MSNBC's morning goofball dismissively remarked that Ayers and Obama had merely served on the same board of directors some years ago. The network failed to mention the personal friendship of many years standing, the closeness of their business relationship, that Ayers was in fact Obama's boss at one time, or that its was in Ayers's house that Obama actually launched his campaign.

Now, MSNBC has every right to support the candidate of its choice (and Obama is the media choice in every sense of the term). They do not, however, have the moral right to lie to the American people to advance that cause, nor do they have any moral or logical basis for claiming to be an objective source of news and analysis.

We will be in unknown territory when Obama attempts to revive the misnamed "fairness doctrine" as a payoff for MSM support. This, of course, will be a totalitarian censorship regime, aimed at suppressing, not simply opposition to liberalism, but every alternative to and dissent against the standard cultural model of the media-industrial complex. Many dictators have imposed such censorship in the past, or do today, but there is no precedent for a censorship regime in which the commercial media themselves are the arbiters and controlling authority of that regime. Look at who these people are; monsters of vanity and ego, ruthlessly greedy, pathologically arrogant, isolated, ignorant in many cases of the most basic facts about the subjects they pretend to report.
We will be in the hands of devils if they gain the final measure of power for which this campaign sets the stage.

290 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:20:25am

re: #284 redc1c4

Forget the odds. I'm counting on LUCK. :-/

291 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:27:40am

Isn't it time for Stanley Kurtz to be out there giving interviews?

/at least FOXnews should recognize that HE is the one who has done the most research on the Ayers/Obama connection.

292 yah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:28:25am

221 kansas 10/05/08 1:33:25 am reply quote 0

re: #39 Moe Katz

Anybody miss EIDE_interface yet?

I have not seen him, but I can't say I miss him.

293 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:29:58am

re: #39 Moe Katz

Anybody miss EIDE_interface yet?

No but, if I do, I'll just get a hammer and smack my knees.

294 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:34:05am

I wonder if the ESPN sports-droid Lee Corso feels like an idiot this morning?
Nah, a fool is never ashamed of his own folly.

He picked Kansas State over Texas Tech as his "upset special of the week" on the grounds that Texas Tech is "overrated." K-State fans picked this up and chanted "Overrated! Overrated!" as Tech players entered the field yesterday.

Final: Texas Tech 58, K-State 28.

And it wasn't even as close as this lop-sided score would indicate (Tech had their 58 points a few seconds into the fourth quarter).

Perhaps Corso can follow so many other sportscasters (Bryant Gumbel, Keith Olbermann, et al) and become a lefty demogogue.

295 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:34:58am

re: #293 MandyManners

No but, if I do, I'll just get a hammer and smack my knees.

Kinda early in the morning to be doing that. Morning Mandy, thanks for those Soros links.

296 yah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:37:39am
Walter L. Newton 10/05/08 2:50:41 am reply quote 0

Ok, I'm listening to a replay of this past Friday's "Brian and Judge Napolitano" radio show, which is a Fox show.

I haven't heard the show in a year or more, but the last time I looked, I thought Napolitano was basicly a conservative.

Well, both of them are trashing Palin in the debate, trashing McCain for voting for the bailout, and have had two Obama spin doctors on tooting Obama's horn.

What the F' gives?

I noticed this about 2 weeks ago - that FOX appears to be on Obama's camp. Yesterday they reported the Obama/Ayers connection was "tenuous."

297 Spirit93  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:37:44am

re: #292 yah

221 kansas 10/05/08 1:33:25 am reply quote 0

I have not seen him, but I can't say I miss him.

EIDE got the stik.

298 Geepers  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:39:32am

yah (#292),

#108 Charles :: Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 9:30:24 am
EIDE_Interface is banned. Good grief. Reading that thread was like having a root canal without novocaine.

Yes. And as someone who's had four root canals in the last four months I can attest to that.

299 yah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:40:35am

re: #297 Spirit93

EIDE got the stik.

Smile. Big smile.

300 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:41:52am

re: #295 Walter L. Newton

Kinda early in the morning to be doing that. Morning Mandy, thanks for those Soros links.

Did you find some good stuff?

301 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:44:24am
302 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:46:50am

re: #301 MandyManners

It was "just coffee".

303 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:48:21am

BOULDER, Colo. - Someone tossed a firebomb into a fraternity house about a block from the University of Colorado, setting off a brawl in a nearby alley that sent one man to the hospital, police said.

The firebomb early Friday caused no injuries or significant damage, and residents had put the blaze out by the time firefighters arrived, police spokeswoman Sarah Huntley said.

Huntley said it was probably not a hate crime, but more likely stemmed from a feud between the fraternity and residents of a nearby apartment or with another fraternity. No arrests had been made, and police had no individual suspects.

SNIP

304 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:48:48am

0400? (more or less %-) wtf am i thinking?

hasta, y'all.............. L8r!

305 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:49:20am

re: #302 littleoldlady

It was "just coffee".

In 2002 the Woods Fund made a grant to Northwestern University Law School's Children and Family Justice Center, where Ayers' wife, Bernardine Dohrn, was employed.

306 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:51:43am

It was "just coffee", I tells ya, Mandy!

/the Obama campaign said it, so it must be true

307 yah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:52:41am

The Obama/Ayers connection by itseslf is not that important. But when
added to his Pastor's hate speech, Michelle's "not proud of America," no hand on his heart for the pledge, no flag pin, statements about our troops killing civilians, and such, anyone can see a that Obama does not Love this country - well at least I can.

308 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:54:42am

re: #306 littleoldlady

It was "just coffee", I tells ya, Mandy!

/the Obama campaign said it, so it must be true

I wonder which Starbuck's blend is Ayers' favorite.

309 Geepers  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:57:54am

yah (#307),

Obama does not Love this country

And who could love a country filled to the brim with Constitution-shredding Republican oligarchs, evil neocon warmongers and gun-totting racist hickbillys?

310 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:59:13am

re: #308 MandyManners

I wonder which Starbuck's blend is Ayers' favorite.

Don't know about Ayers, but the O's is Mocha Grande Latteliette.


Good morning everyone!

311 DeerMusic  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:59:46am

A question for which I have not found an answer: as the situation in Iraq increasingly improved -- taking away an important issue for Democrats -- the economy went increasingly into decline. Has anyone speculated whether someone like Soros, with his billions, could have had a hand in some of the key factors (such as oil speculation) affecting the economy? It just seemed timed too well to be a mere coincidence.

312 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:59:59am

re: #300 MandyManners

Did you find some good stuff?

I was looking for the links to pass on to someone else. Over the months, I've read most of these articles, but I never bookmarked them.

You were a big help so I could send this person an email with all the links.

Ya know, the bottom line, between Franks, Soros, Dodd and a bunch of other idiots, there really should be arrests made. If there hasn't been crimes commited in all this mess, then I don't know nuthin' and I must be brain dead.

Or else, these gumba's need a soprano's visit.

313 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:00:09am

re: #309 Geepers

yah (#307),


And who could love a country filled to the brim with Constitution-shredding Republican oligarchs, evil neocon warmongers and gun-totting racist hickbillys?

You forgot the Bible-thumping book-burners and uncouth Texas Tech fans.

314 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:01:31am

re: #311 DeerMusic

A question for which I have not found an answer: as the situation in Iraq increasingly improved -- taking away an important issue for Democrats -- the economy went increasingly into decline. Has anyone speculated whether someone like Soros, with his billions, could have had a hand in some of the key factors (such as oil speculation) affecting the economy? It just seemed timed too well to be a mere coincidence.

He didn't set up the rickety system of subprime mortgages but, I wouldn't be suprised if he speculated with oil.

315 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:01:53am

re: #303 MandyManners

BOULDER, Colo. - Someone tossed a firebomb into a fraternity house about a block from the University of Colorado, setting off a brawl in a nearby alley that sent one man to the hospital, police said. SNIP

The report is very accurate. There is no hate anywhere in Boulder. It's all gumdrops and flowing chocolate rivers.

/

316 yah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:02:34am

re: #309 Geepers

Plus all of us that cling to our religion - disgusting!

317 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:02:39am

re: #312 Walter L. Newton

I was looking for the links to pass on to someone else. Over the months, I've read most of these articles, but I never bookmarked them.

You were a big help so I could send this person an email with all the links.

Ya know, the bottom line, between Franks, Soros, Dodd and a bunch of other idiots, there really should be arrests made. If there hasn't been crimes commited in all this mess, then I don't know nuthin' and I must be brain dead.

Or else, these gumba's need a soprano's visit.

Wasn't Soros recently convicted of something in France?

318 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:03:18am

gettinby! :-)

re: #313 Shiplord Kirel

You forgot "bitter".

/proud Pennsylvanian

319 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:04:30am

re: #317 MandyManners

Wasn't Soros recently convicted of something in France?

Yes, insider trading, verdict upheld after appeal TWO years ago.

[Link: blogs.wsj.com...]

320 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:05:12am

re: #315 Walter L. Newton

The report is very accurate. There is no hate anywhere in Boulder. It's all gumdrops and flowing chocolate rivers.

/

A few years ago, there were some news stories about the Boulder police accepting public reports for a database of people who had made "insensitive" remarks or told racial or sexist jokes. The stories disappeared into the MSM memory hole.

321 DeerMusic  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:05:33am

re: #317 MandyManners
Yes.

Insider trading. And so far, a French appeals court rejected his argument to overturn the conviction.

322 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:06:18am

{littleoldlady!}

It's not just being judged by the company we keep anymore.

/I like being judged by which politicians hate me. :)

323 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:09:41am

Great...just friggin great. Our primary ally{sigh}. War on Taliban cannot be won, says army chief

Britain's most senior military commander in Afghanistan has warned that the war against the Taliban cannot be won. Brigadier Mark Carleton-Smith said the British public should not expect a “decisive military victory” but should be prepared for a possible deal with the Taliban.

Yea....Let's Make A Deal! I mean, the Paki's deals with the Taliban work out so well and all.

324 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:12:50am

re: #320 Shiplord Kirel

A few years ago, there were some news stories about the Boulder police accepting public reports for a database of people who had made "insensitive" remarks or told racial or sexist jokes. The stories disappeared into the MSM memory hole.

I've told this story before, but about three years ago, as my 25 year career as a computer programmer was going the way of outsourcing, I was still working some short term contract stuff.

Almost all of my assignments for about a year were in Boulder. I went to work for this call center (you know, the jerks that call you 18 times a day to sell you extended car warrenties). They had about 40 employees.

The owner of this joint actually made me stand in his office, my arms extended cruxiform style, as he waved bottles of herbal remedies over my body.

He told me he could read my aura, and when he got the right reaction, he would know what supplements I should be including in my diet.

Now, this space cadet was not selling anything. He had a boat load of these supplements in store for the employees.

I let that little Oprah moment slide, but the first staff meeting I went to, he had us all hold hands and start chanting some stuff.

Needless to say, I was gone in a month. And this was a 3-4 million dollar a year business, not some hole in the wall.

Geeessshhh.

325 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:13:46am
326 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:13:48am

Next, let's examine Obama's claim that his connection to Ayers and Dohrn is "tenuous" and "phony." Is it phony that Obama's political coming-out party in the mid-1990s was hosted by Ayers and Dohrn? What about the panel discussions in which Ayers and Obama both took part—that were organized by Michelle Obama? Tenuous? I suppose the goodbye party for prominent Israel basher and Arafat apologist Rashid Khalidi, attended by Obama, Ayers and Dohrn, is also unworthy of discussion. That Khalidi himself hosted a fundraiser for Obama's first Congressional campaign must be completely irrelevant, too.

Then there's the pesky fact that Obama and Ayers served together on the board of the Woods Fund for three years—and continued to do so even after Ayers was quoted in the New York Times fondly recalling his days as a bomber, and despairing that he hadn't "done more." (This quote, the Obama fact sheet reminds us, comes from an interview that just happened to be published on 9/11—Ayers had made the incendiary remarks earlier. I don't know about you, but that makes me feel a lot better). The funds Obama and Ayers helped control at the Woods Foundation funneled thousands of dollars into both Khalidi's organization and the now-infamous Trinity United Church of Christ. Irrelevant, phony distractions? So what if the Obama campaign's top strategist concedes that the Senator's relationship with the terrorist is "friendly"? I apologize for even devoting this much attention to such tenuous and unimportant information.

SNIP

327 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:14:02am

re: #323 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Great...just friggin great. Our primary ally{sigh}. War on Taliban cannot be won, says army chief


Yea....Let's Make A Deal! I mean, the Paki's deals with the Taliban work out so well and all.

This defeatist putz Carleton-Smith should be sacked. We have already offered the Taliban a deal: Lay down your arms, stop harboring terrorists and oppressing women, and we will stop killing you. They didn't take it.

328 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:14:39am

re: #319 Walter L. Newton

Yes, insider trading, verdict upheld after appeal TWO years ago.

[Link: blogs.wsj.com...]

re: #321 DeerMusic

Yes.

Insider trading. And so far, a French appeals court rejected his argument to overturn the conviction.

Something was niggling at the back of my mind.

329 DeerMusic  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:15:48am

re: #323 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Sure, making deals with the Taliban sounds great! After all, could people who murder indiscriminately not be trusted to tell the truth and keep their agreements and treaties?

Clear thinkers know the answer...

330 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:15:51am

re: #328 MandyManners

Something was niggling at the back of my mind.

You can't use the "n" word? Gosh, my sensibilities!

331 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:15:57am

re: #322 gettinby

Thanks to OJ I believe in KARMA.

332 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:17:05am

re: #319 Walter L. Newton

Yes, insider trading, verdict upheld after appeal TWO years ago.

[Link: blogs.wsj.com...]

I wonder if the ECHR will over-turn it. Is he allowed to travel to France?

333 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:18:52am

re: #330 Walter L. Newton

You can't use the "n" word? Gosh, my sensibilities!

Should I turn myself in to the Boulder police?

334 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:19:27am

re: #332 MandyManners

I wonder if the ECHR will over-turn it. Is he allowed to travel to France?

Err, ok, over my head on this, what is the ECHR, can you eat it?

335 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:20:27am

re: #325 gettinby

I could just shoot myself!

Countrywide Home Loans filed for foreclosure last year, and Polk's home was sold to Fannie Mae at a sheriff's auction in June

Dodd's good buddies?

336 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:20:35am
337 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:21:04am

re: #334 Walter L. Newton

Err, ok, over my head on this, what is the ECHR, can you eat it?

European Court of Human Rights.

338 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:22:40am

re: #337 MandyManners

European Court of Human Rights.

That's an oxymoron. Shame on you!

339 DeerMusic  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:23:36am

re: #337 MandyManners

Are they still allowed to use the word "rights" in Europe?

340 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:24:04am
341 yah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:24:31am

re: #325 gettinby

Fannie Mae announced later Friday that it would dismiss its foreclosure action, forgive Polk's mortgage and allow her to return to the Akron home where she's lived since 1970

I really feel for the poor woman, but I wonder how many other peoples mortgages will be forgiven. Judges can now decide how much interest and the balance of your mortgage. The MSM are calling all these poor people who bought houses with zero downs "victims." I have been struggling with my adjustable rate mortgage and I can see it going up again to cover for all these "victims."

342 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:24:41am

re: #327 Shiplord Kirel

Yea...and, imagine that, they're a little upset: Officials say Taliban mad over alleged US strike

The Taliban are unusually angry about the latest suspected U.S. missile strike in Pakistan, a sign a top militant may have died in the attack, officials and residents said Sunday amid reports the death toll rose by two to 24.

ahhhh...so solly.

343 Born Again Republican  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:25:04am

re: #311 DeerMusic

A question for which I have not found an answer: as the situation in Iraq increasingly improved -- taking away an important issue for Democrats -- the economy went increasingly into decline. Has anyone speculated whether someone like Soros, with his billions, could have had a hand in some of the key factors (such as oil speculation) affecting the economy? It just seemed timed too well to be a mere coincidence.

I was wondering the same when I came across this great read from American Thinker. You decide.

Stategy of Manufactured Crisis

344 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:28:23am

re: #331 littleoldlady

Thanks to OJ I believe in KARMA.

The "good news" of this last week's news cycle? (Heh.)

re: #335 MandyManners

Countrywide Home Loans filed for foreclosure last year, and Polk's home was sold to Fannie Mae at a sheriff's auction in June

Dodd's good buddies?

Loan enough to a senior who owns their home free and clear so that the payment is at least 50% of their net fixed income (on a short-term ARM)...wait in the shadows to foreclose and re-sell at a very nice profit. Happened a few years ago to my aunt-in-law in Phoenix.

345 DeerMusic  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:29:21am

re: #343 Born Again Republican

Thank you B.A.R. I'll read it as soon as I return from Dreamland (4:30 am here). Eyelids slamming shut now... 'night all.

346 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:31:33am

re: #338 Walter L. Newton

That's an oxymoron. Shame on you!

I like buzzsawmonkey's opinions about human rights v. civil rights.

re: #339 DeerMusic

Are they still allowed to use the word "rights" in Europe?

Only those that the bureaucrats allow.

347 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:31:36am

re: #323 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Great...just friggin great. Our primary ally{sigh}. War on Taliban cannot be won, says army chief

Yea....Let's Make A Deal! I mean, the Paki's deals with the Taliban work out so well and all.

"Well, I say, the last time we chaps tried to mess with Afghan-ih-staan... well, read your Kipling."

348 USA  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:31:38am

Good Morning Lizards!
Can't wait to see who Palin eats for breakfast today.

349 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:33:17am

re: #341 yah

I really feel for the poor woman, but I wonder how many other peoples mortgages will be forgiven. Judges can now decide how much interest and the balance of your mortgage. The MSM are calling all these poor people who bought houses with zero downs "victims." I have been struggling with my adjustable rate mortgage and I can see it going up again to cover for all these "victims."

Not fun at all.

Each of us with a mortgage had every opportunity to really, really look at what we were getting ourselves into...yet...

HOW MANY BORROWERS ACTUALLY READ THE DOCUMENTS?!

/Obviously, from the article, one of the conditions of the bailout is that we can just shoot ourselves (wound only) and have it forgiven.

//not an option for me...I'm a coward! LOL

350 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:33:30am
351 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:34:21am

re: #348 USA

Good Morning Lizards!
Can't wait to see who Palin eats for breakfast today.

Palin plans campaign strategery with a group of, er, right-wing cultural activists.

352 formercorpsman  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:35:22am

re: #324 Walter L. Newton

Walter, I am sorry to hear that. IT sucks huge to have to go through what you did, (the whole bowl of wax that is) and I am someone who is always critical of the herbal answer to everything.

Man, if that were me, I would have had some fun with him.

Allergic reactions, burning pee, insomnia....

353 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:35:37am

re: #351 Shiplord Kirel

That most be the Society For Creative Norsemenism.

354 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:36:11am

must, PIMF

356 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:37:13am

re: #350 taxfreekiller

STOP MAKING SENSE!

/you're scaring me!

357 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:37:55am

re: #344 gettinby

Loan enough to a senior who owns their home free and clear so that the payment is at least 50% of their net fixed income (on a short-term ARM)...wait in the shadows to foreclose and re-sell at a very nice profit. Happened a few years ago to my aunt-in-law in Phoenix.

When will those ads go away on television?

What about a reverse mortgage?

358 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:38:23am
359 Luigi  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:38:42am

Traction.

From CNN..

Palin hits Obama for 'terrorist' connection
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Here's the AP instructing America in the wrongness of the charge:

[Link: ap.google.com...]

Palin says Obama 'palling around' with terrorists

By JIM KUHNHENN – 8 hours ago

CARSON, Calif., (AP) — Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin on Saturday accused Democrat Barack Obama of "palling around with terrorists" because of an association with a former '60s radical, stepping up an effort to portray Obama as unacceptable to American voters.

Palin's reference was to Bill Ayers, one of the founders of the group the Weather Underground. Its members were blamed for several bombings, including a pipe bomb in San Francisco that killed a police officer and injured another. Obama, who was a child when the group was active, has denounced Ayers' radical views and activities.

While it is known that Obama and Ayers live in the same Chicago neighborhood, served on a charity board together and had a fleeting political connection, there is no evidence that they ever palled around. And it's simply wrong to suggest that they were associated while Ayers was committing terrorist acts.

Nonetheless, Palin made the comments at two appearances in separate states.

360 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:41:09am

re: #350 taxfreekiller

Of note on "wait in the shadows to foreclose"

Its called "loan to own lending" its not new.

What is new is that the U.S. Government is now the worlds largest
"loan to own lender" and they have a mortgage on "We the Peoples" ass's and they used a forged Power of Attorney to sign off on the note.

like that, when they want your home, "Who ya gonna Call" ?

Excellent definition!

And scarey as hell, to boot.

361 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:44:39am

Even before the Open Society network came into being, Soros' blueprint for postcommunist "shock therapy" reform had been put to the test. First came Poland, where the first postcommunist prime minister, Tadeusz Mazowiecki, was close to Soros and subsequently remained associated with his local subsidiary, the Stefan Batory Foundation. In his book Underwriting Democracy, Soros says that he personally prepared the broad outlines of Poland's comprehensive economic reform:

"I joined forces with Professor Jeffrey Sachs of Harvard University, who was advocating a similar program, and sponsored his work in Poland through the Stefan Batory Foundation . . . The IMF approved and the program went into effect on Jan. 1, 1990. It was very tough on the population, but people were willing to take a lot of pain in order to see real change."

Poland was only a start, however; far more important to his goals was his association in 1991-92 with Russia's "reformist" leaders Anatoly Chubais and Yegor Gaidar and their Harvard guru Sachs. Within a year of their "shock therapy," hyperinflation had wiped out Russians' savings and the long-suffering middle class with it. Pensioners were literally starving. The parallel "privatization" of Russia's huge resources-timber, oil, gas, chemicals, media-created the robber oligarchs and contributed to Russia's effective deindustrialization. The country was lowered into neocolonial dependence: a supplier of energy and raw materials and an importer of high technology and manufactured goods. Nevertheless, in early 1993, Soros felt that Russia had not gone far enough: "The social safety net would also provide a powerful incentive to shut down loss-making enterprises. Factories could be idled and the raw materials and energy that go into production could be sold for more than the output."

362 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:45:38am

re: #357 MandyManners

When will those ads go away on television?

What about a reverse mortgage?

Good question. I don't know enough about a reverse mortgage to give a knowledgeable opinion, but I think when the owner/borrower dies or leaves the home, the bank just gets the home (unless the loan gets paid off somehow)?

363 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:46:41am

re: #359 Luigi

Traction.

From CNN..

Palin hits Obama for 'terrorist' connection
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Here's the AP instructing America in the wrongness of the charge:

[Link: ap.google.com...]

Palin says Obama 'palling around' with terrorists

Hey, AP? They served on TWO boards together, and Ayers made his "no regrets" interview more than a year before BHO quit the Woods Fund.

364 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:47:46am

re: #362 gettinby

Good question. I don't know enough about a reverse mortgage to give a knowledgeable opinion, but I think when the owner/borrower dies or leaves the home, the bank just gets the home (unless the loan gets paid off somehow)?

Does their estate pay off the rest?

365 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:48:16am

re: #361 MandyManners

It was after this that the Russian mafia flourished.

366 Geepers  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:48:25am

Luigi (#359),

From your link:

And it's simply wrong to suggest that they were associated while Ayers was committing terrorist acts.

OK, first off Jim, you disingenuous fuck, no one is suggesting that.

And secondly, thanks for admitting straight up that Ayers is a terrorist.

367 yah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:48:54am

re: #343 Born Again Republican


[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

I hope a lot of people get to read that. It makes me feel that even if McCain wins this country is lost - was lost a long time ago. It was started with "social security."

368 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:52:16am

re: #359 Luigi

That CNN even mentioned Ayers and referred to him as a (scare quotes) "terrorist" in their headline is a good start.

That "The reference was to..." paragraph is especially revealing, in a Pravda sort of way. "You see, audience, Mr. Ayres is someone we could have told you about, and that Senator Obama felt the need to denounce him, but we here at CNN didn't consider Dear Leader's association with Mr. Ayres newsworthy."

369 Born Again Republican  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:54:18am

re: #367 yah

[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

I hope a lot of people get to read that. It makes me feel that even if McCain wins this country is lost - was lost a long time ago. It was started with "social security."

Not lost yet but we do have a fight on our hands.

370 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:54:40am

Good morning, Lizards.

371 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:55:18am

I wonder what we'd be discussing today if the feds had not screwed up when surveilling Ayers and Dohrn.

372 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:55:37am

re: #370 goddessoftheclassroom

Howdy!

373 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:56:42am

re: #372 MandyManners

Howdy!

{MandyManners}

374 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:56:57am
375 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:57:15am

re: #371 MandyManners

I wonder what we'd be discussing today if the feds had not screwed up when surveilling Ayers and Dohrn.

McCain vs. Clinton?

376 yah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:57:35am

re: #349 gettinby

Each of us with a mortgage had every opportunity to really, really look at what we were getting ourselves into...yet...

I was told my loan was fixed - as were many others, but there was some loophole for the lender. It was Ameriquest and they lost a class action law suit against them because they lied. But all I won was that there would be no prepayment penalty if I refinanced. Well, refinancing costs a lot of money and I am not willing to pay for appraisals, title insurance, points and on on on.

377 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:58:38am

re: #368 Dar ul Harb

"And it's only newsworthy now to the extent we need to denounce Sarah Palin's malicious rumormongering about Dear Leader."

(Cf. Soviet reaction to Reagan's "evil empire" speech.)

378 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:58:55am

re: #370 goddessoftheclassroom

Hello and good morning!

379 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:00:53am

re: #378 gettinby

Hello and good morning!

{gettinby}

How are you doing? My boys and I are doing better. The sunshine this morning helps so much.

380 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:03:45am

re: #375 gettinby

McCain vs. Clinton?

Could be.

381 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:05:47am

I'm sick of TV Land's re-running the Extreme Makeover show. GIMME' SOME OLD SIT-COMS!

382 formercorpsman  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:05:51am

re: #349 gettinby

To be honest, and I do agree with you, most folks are not up to the task of mentally digesting that amount of information.

I know, it is not an excuse. I am not so quick however, to let the lending institutions of so quick either. Many of them were brokered. The broker doing the paperwork usually have state laws they play fast and loose with in order to get their commission.

In essence, you are paying them for the service, and in that service, it is incumbent upon them to abide with ethical standards.

I am in medicine, have been for 19 years now. Even though I have someone sign a surgical permit, after going through all of the potential bad things, there is a core principle on our part as the caregiver to provide the service in good conscience.

383 yah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:07:07am

re: #381 MandyManners


I'm sick of TV Land's re-running the Extreme Makeover show.

Show really needs a makeover.

384 JustMyView  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:07:10am

re: #341 yah

I really feel for the poor woman, but I wonder how many other peoples mortgages will be forgiven. Judges can now decide how much interest and the balance of your mortgage. The MSM are calling all these poor people who bought houses with zero downs "victims." I have been struggling with my adjustable rate mortgage and I can see it going up again to cover for all these "victims."

Your mortgage can only go up within the limits that were specified when you took it out. Are those limits affected by whether other people are repaying their mortgages? I could be wrong, but I wouldn't think so.

385 Stonemason  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:08:00am

re: #244 littleoldlady

Mel! :-)

Nope. Phillies.

/not much better, is it?


Sure it is, really, honestly, it is sooo much....

Aww heck, I think I am trying too hard

386 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:09:44am

re: #376 yah

I was told my loan was fixed - as were many others, but there was some loophole for the lender. It was Ameriquest and they lost a class action law suit against them because they lied. But all I won was that there would be no prepayment penalty if I refinanced. Well, refinancing costs a lot of money and I am not willing to pay for appraisals, title insurance, points and on on on.

Most 1st mortgages don't have a prepayment penalty anyway (that I'm aware of).

If you have even a little bit of equity, you can re-fi and have the closing costs put into the new loan...BUT, YOU, THE BORROWER, must be AGGRESSIVE about controlling those costs. The title insurance should only be a small amount as the new insurance will only have to search back to your original policy for example. Shop around for the lowest points charged (broker and lender). Your survey should be low-cost as you can just go back to the original company that did it and just pay for a re-fi update.

For not a lot of money, find a good (and honest) real-estate attorney to protect you during this process. As an average citizen, many of us really don't understand this process, and for such a large sum of money, it's never wise to go into such a contract without full and complete knowledge of what we're doing (and signing).

387 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:10:00am

If Palin keeps up the pressure (and I have every expectation that she will), the MSM will have to report "the news we kept to ourselves" about Obama, just in the same fashion Pravda reported about Reagan.

Above all, we must realize that no arsenal or no weapon in the arsenals of the world is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have. It is a weapon that we as Americans do have. Let that be understood by those who practice terrorism and prey upon their neighbors.

--President Ronald Reagan, first inaugural address, January 20, 1981

388 DistantThunder  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:10:16am

The ex-KGB guy in this video says the second step of marxist take-over is economic destabilization. The first step is demoralization, not making people feel sad, but getting them to give up being moral. Then they literally stop being able to tell fact from fiction.

389 yah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:12:57am

re: #384 JustMyView


Your mortgage can only go up within the limits that were specified when you took it out.

Well that limit is tied into an index - my payment has actually gone down in the last year. But I see it going up to the max. Hope I am wrong.

390 Stonemason  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:13:05am

re: #369 Born Again Republican

Not lost yet but we do have a fight on our hands.


And that fight will be long and difficult, but Americans, true Americans (made up of an incredible amount of differing backgrounds) will eventually prevail. Part of our strength is an innate memory of why our own ancestors came here in the first place, whether it was yesterday, 300 years ago like one side of my family, or 1913 like the other side of the family.

We will prevail, too much at stake, and the middle of this country, seemingly mired in apathy, will join us.

391 right_wing2  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:14:33am

We've got to do whatever we can, within the law (just to stop the Kos Kiddies from melting down even further) to stop the Obamessiah from winning. Americans need to learn just how far to the left he is. His associations with American terrorists and other questionable associates, sweetheart real estate deals, his 'further-to-the-left-than-Hillary-or-Ted-Kennedy' voting record, his record on gun rights, and everything else that shows his true colors.

If he wins, I weep for the future of America.

WASS- We Are So Screwed

392 JustMyView  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:14:52am

re: #389 yah

Well that limit is tied into an index - my payment has actually gone down in the last year. But I see it going up to the max. Hope I am wrong.

Right, but it was your comment re the repayment rates of other borrowers that caught my eye. Presumably, that index wouldn't be affected by whether other borrowers were repaying their mortgages. Again, I'm not an expert, but that connection seemed a little odd to me.

393 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:14:55am

re: #382 formercorpsman

To be honest, and I do agree with you, most folks are not up to the task of mentally digesting that amount of information.

I know, it is not an excuse. I am not so quick however, to let the lending institutions of so quick either. Many of them were brokered. The broker doing the paperwork usually have state laws they play fast and loose with in order to get their commission.

In essence, you are paying them for the service, and in that service, it is incumbent upon them to abide with ethical standards.

I am in medicine, have been for 19 years now. Even though I have someone sign a surgical permit, after going through all of the potential bad things, there is a core principle on our part as the caregiver to provide the service in good conscience.

You're right...it IS more than we average folks can digest and understand. And it would be wonderful if everyone I'm dealing with would be as ethical and I am...but, they're not.

If I don't understand (even a tiny bit) of what I'm signing, I DON'T SIGN IT.

The bottom line for me, personally, is because I did understand what I've signed, if it's a bad/raw deal, I can only blame myself!

LOL

394 Spirit93  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:15:06am

re: #323 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Great...just friggin great. Our primary ally{sigh}. War on Taliban cannot be won, says army chief

Yea....Let's Make A Deal! I mean, the Paki's deals with the Taliban work out so well and all.

Just incredible. What does he think he can negotiate about with the taliban? Is he related to Chamberlain? Or just insane?

395 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:15:16am

re: #386 gettinby

For not a lot of money, find a good (and honest) real-estate attorney to protect you during this process. As an average citizen, many of us really don't understand this process, and for such a large sum of money, it's never wise to go into such a contract without full and complete knowledge of what we're doing (and signing).

I just don't understand people who buy a house without an attorney. The last house my parents bought, they paid in cash yet they still had an attorney.

396 Stonemason  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:16:41am

re: #386 gettinby

I am not a money guy, so take this with that disclaimer. The word I have been hearing is that for the foreseeable future many lenders will 're-cast in place' the ARM's that may not be in trouble right now but could be in the future. One of the best things to do when owing anyone any money that one may have trouble repaying is to communicate with the note-holder. So many people are surprised when lenders listen, but they do, they want their money, and are usually willing to work with the borrower.

397 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:16:42am

re: #394 Spirit93

Just incredible. What does he think he can negotiate about with the taliban? Is he related to Chamberlain? Or just insane?

Yes.

398 formercorpsman  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:17:31am

re: #393 gettinby

We agree.

Am I living in folly? For some reason, I just seem to thing we actually had a time in this country, when a handshake did actually carry an element of honesty.

Maybe it is just wishful remembrance on my part.

399 laZardo  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:17:53am

G'deeeeevening Lizards, how's the new day coming along on the other side of the world?

400 akak  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:18:40am

Damn. Israeli stocks down 6-10 %, hope it's not so rough elsewhere tomorrow.

TA 25 -6.26%
TA 100 -6.50%
TelTech15 -9.84%
TA 75 -7.49%

401 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:18:47am

re: #398 formercorpsman

We agree.

Am I living in folly? For some reason, I just seem to thing we actually had a time in this country, when a handshake did actually carry an element of honesty.

Maybe it is just wishful remembrance on my part.

A handshake does not equal a contract.

402 yah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:20:05am

re: #386 gettinby

I checked into a new loan a few months ago - it would cost me about $7,000 - And I don't want that rolled into the new loan.

Thank You for the advice. I may start looking again after the election and holidays and will get an attorney to look things over for me. I will also use a local bank.

403 formercorpsman  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:20:11am

re: #401 MandyManners

I know, I know.

I'm pining for the days where your reputation was something to be upheld.

404 Stonemason  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:22:21am

re: #398 formercorpsman

We are still here, the handshake men and women, and we vote. Sometimes we vote with our wallets by not dealing with a scoundrel, sometimes we vote with our voices, denouncing the scoundrels in public or where they do business, and we can always vote out the public scoundrels in November!

The more of us that do not give up, that instill the handshake mentality in our children, the better chance we have of coming out on the other side of this century as an even stronger country then we are now.

And yes, we are still the strongest country in the world, if we weren't we wouldn't still be the target of the rhetoric of those weaker nations we constantly save.

405 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:23:14am

re: #390 Stonemason

And that fight will be long and difficult, but Americans, true Americans (made up of an incredible amount of differing backgrounds) will eventually prevail. Part of our strength is an innate memory of why our own ancestors came here in the first place, whether it was yesterday, 300 years ago like one side of my family, or 1913 like the other side of the family.

We will prevail, too much at stake, and the middle of this country, seemingly mired in apathy, will join us.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but my experience, even with just one individual, is that if I'm happy, successful, doing well, appear without-worry, etc., that many will automatically and immediately hate me and try to attack/change me.

I liken this to our great country. We are beautiful, successful, doing well (until last week anyway), and pretty much appear without major worries.

Guess what I'm trying to say is that we'll probably ALWAYS have a fight to keep it, and too many of our citizens just aren't up to it anymore. Maybe it's because they've lost the ability to see the bigger picture?

406 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:25:19am

re: #403 formercorpsman

I know, I know.

I'm pining for the days where your reputation was something to be upheld.

I like what Judge Milian in the People's Court says people who don't have a signed contract are called: litigants.

407 Stonemason  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:25:21am

re: #401 MandyManners

It still does for me, honestly it does. I told a gentleman two weeks ago I would build his patio for $3500, we shook hands, and when the patio was done I asked for $3500 even though the stones he had me use were smaller than I expected and I made about 5% less per hour than I like to earn. No paper work, no contract, and a job I personally stand by for as long as the family is in the house.

408 yah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:25:25am

re: #392 JustMyView

I hope you are right! But the way I see it is that those who are paying have got to pay for all those who are not paying. I am no expert, but it just seems logical.

409 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:26:59am

re: #404 Stonemason

And yes, we are still the strongest country in the world, if we weren't we wouldn't still be the target of the rhetoric of those weaker nations we constantly save.

If we're so bad, why are people willing to risk their lives to get here?! Why do pregnant women go to incredible lengths to give birth here?!

It's ENVY.

410 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:28:37am

re: #398 formercorpsman

We agree.

Am I living in folly? For some reason, I just seem to thing we actually had a time in this country, when a handshake did actually carry an element of honesty.

Maybe it is just wishful remembrance on my part.

We've lived and come up from the same era it appears.

/AND I MISS IT!

At one point, we never locked our homes or cars. Like you said, a lot of business was done on a handshake. We knew our neighbors would come through if we experienced any troubles. We could go out and play for hours without our parents having to worry so much (as long as we stayed on our own block). It's all pretty much lost now.

/I blame Carter. :)

411 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:29:16am

re: #407 Stonemason

It still does for me, honestly it does. I told a gentleman two weeks ago I would build his patio for $3500, we shook hands, and when the patio was done I asked for $3500 even though the stones he had me use were smaller than I expected and I made about 5% less per hour than I like to earn. No paper work, no contract, and a job I personally stand by for as long as the family is in the house.

What if a visitor to the house trips over a stone, is injured and winds up suing the homeowner? Will his insurer come after you? Would an indemnity clause protect you?

412 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:29:16am

re: #405 gettinby

Correct me if I'm wrong, but my experience, even with just one individual, is that if I'm happy, successful, doing well, appear without-worry, etc., that many will automatically and immediately hate me and try to attack/change me.

I liken this to our great country. We are beautiful, successful, doing well (until last week anyway), and pretty much appear without major worries.

Guess what I'm trying to say is that we'll probably ALWAYS have a fight to keep it, and too many of our citizens just aren't up to it anymore. Maybe it's because they've lost the ability to see the bigger picture?

OMG, that has happened to me, too!
One of my EH's last complaints about me was that I was "too good" and saw everything in terms of "black and white."

Yeah, trying to live one's religious ideals is a horrible thing...

413 Stonemason  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:30:44am

re: #405 gettinby

Maybe it's because they've lost the ability to see the bigger picture?

As I put it, seemingly apathetic. They know the bigger picture is there, it just isn't right in front of them, they are too busy with living to be terribly worried about it. These are the folk that make up the bulk of the country, they work, pay bills, make kids, and live and die in the same basic geographic area. America is still America, some of us overdose on the issues, and others simply, comfortably, wander around the issues.

When it comes to it though, those are the ones who will be fighting for us, literally, as they always have.

414 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:31:25am