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Open | Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 10:59:00 pm PDT

The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop.

P. J. O’Rourke

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1 Karridine  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:01:15pm

Like Shrek's donkey... talking ain't the magic, its getting him to shut up!

2 Mich-again  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:01:53pm
The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop.

I prefer gridlock to bipartisanship. When they are all smiling at the press conference, you know its bad.

3 Karridine  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:03:57pm

Well, now its put up or shut up time for We, the People, in our never-ending struggle to choose a just and righteous government for America...

Volunteer! Take the McCain/Palin message to other Americans! NOW! :D

4 Racer X  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:04:08pm

The "O" Team

I pity the (liberal) fool!

5 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:04:15pm

I often find myself thinking that it's time for a Million Armed Man march on Washington. Not literally, of course, but just get a million 2nd Amendment supporters to march past all the big white columned buildings.

Not with any particular agenda in mind, really... Just to let them know we're here, and we're watching, and we're irritated.

6 Ringo the Gringo  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:04:22pm

Good evening all.

I was at Sarah Palin's speech today in southern California.

She was great!

I also spent a few hours with the moonbats...Man oh man, they really hate that woman.

7 rawmuse  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:05:06pm

Bay Area Lizards, Sarah Palin arrives in Burlingame on Sunday morning 9 am, Burlingame Hyatt. Lets all show up and support her. There will be plenty of protesters, we need to counter them.

8 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:05:44pm
9 Mich-again  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:06:28pm

I say repeal the 17th amendment and return Senate elections to the State Legislatures. That will solve a lot of the problem.

10 ggt  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:06:30pm

weet dreams all!

11 Neo Con since 9-11  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:06:44pm

Repost but I think it's big news that's gotten over looked in the election coverage. That scum sucking traitor Adam Gadahn is apparently and unfortunately still alive. He released a video Saturday morning. I t seems authentic and current. From CNNAsia

American al Qaeda member Adam Gadahn appeared in a video posted on the Internet on Saturday, focusing on Pakistan, with references to the U.S. economic meltdown and fighting in Kashmir.


[Deleted]

12 Mich-again  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:07:17pm

re: #11 Neo Con since 9-11

There was a thread here about that.

13 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:07:49pm

re: #12 Mich-again

There was a thread here about that.

Why won't he just die?

14 Mich-again  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:08:32pm

re: #13 Wyatt Earp

Why won't he just die?

Even Hell doesn't want him.

15 Neo Con since 9-11  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:09:55pm

re: #12 Mich-again

Oops sorry you are correct. Don't know how I missed that.

16 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:10:57pm

re: #6 Ringo the Gringo


I also spent a few hours with the moonbats...Man oh man, they really hate that woman.

Is there a word that goes beyond mere "hate"? Because she inspires a reaction in some people that's just unbelievable. She's a great barometer, because it's amazing how supposedly intelligent people will fall all over themselves to cry about how she's dumb, unqualified, yadda yadda, even when she comes across looking good in direct side-by-side comparison to a possibly brain-damaged career committee chairman who makes shit up from whole cloth on the fly.

So why is a normal woman who runs a family, a town, and then a state, "unqualified" (despite all the Dem crowing about how they want to be concerned about "real people") but a plagiarizing insider bench jockey who can't even keep his stories straight, is a non-story? Oh yes, monumental double standards, and a media-industrial complex serving as a propaganda arm of the opposing ticket. Silly me.

17 NY Nana  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:11:10pm

Off to sleep. Two grandparents taken down by a very busy 2-year old grandson! ;) But we loved every second of it!

G'nite, Lizards. Sweet dreams, and may we all dream of what will become a reality on Nov. 4: the January 20th 2009 Inauguration of President John McCain and VP Sarah Palin!

Whoops! Forgot the Sec. of State, John Bolton!

18 DesertSage  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:11:41pm

The dumbest woman on earth.
[Link: break.com...]

19 leftover54  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:12:59pm

OT ? Can you be "OT" on an "open thread" ? Forgetting my etiquette - anyhow, I posted this already on a "dead thread":
While I applaud Sean Hannitys effort to expose all of this tomorrow night, I can't help but think
"who's mind is it going to change ?". His people see this as a career enhancer and thats how it resonates in his neck of the woods among his supporters etc., Its not like the Kos (spit) sh*t for brains moon bats are going to watch and think "Oh ? He's friends with a guy that steps on the American Flag, wants to kill cops, soldiers ...gee, I better re think my vote !". They'll watch Hannity and cheer their guys (Ayers/O'Bama) ! Hopefully there are enough fence sitters/un decideds that haven't a clue 'bout any of this but I'm not holding my breath.
I bought a six pack of VHS tapes today to tape Sean's show tomorrow evening ( I know, DVD, TiVO whatever - I know just about everyone has a VHS player though, not sure about the newer stuff - oh, you have to keep reading !) so I can make copies and send them out to 6 people I know that are undecided or just plain old need a "wake up call". Plus, I've e-mailed EVERYONE in my
address book to remind them about tomorrows show.
If they tell 6 people that tell 6 people and so on and so on.... (what the hell commercial was that ?). If anyone has anymore ideas on how to help turn these poll numbers around please let me know !

20 leftover54  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:13:30pm

re: #17 NY Nana


Me too ! 'Nite all ! Keep the faith !

21 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:13:32pm

re: #5 Pawn of the Oppressor

Well, they're lucky we've still mostly got jobs. Screw that one up, and there's a lot of angry folks with a lot of time on their hands...

(Again, good night.)

22 Racer X  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:14:20pm

The Vote Reaper

This guy kicks ass.

23 LeePro  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:16:59pm

re: #5 Pawn of the Oppressor

I often find myself thinking that it's time for a Million Armed Man march on Washington. Not literally, of course, but just get a million 2nd Amendment supporters to march past all the big white columned buildings.

Not with any particular agenda in mind, really... Just to let them know we're here, and we're watching, and we're irritated PISSED.

There.

24 redc1c4  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:17:49pm

i lurves me some PJ......

Remember, your body needs 6 to 8 glasses of fluid daily. Straight up or on the rocks.
O'Rourke, P.J.

25 DesertSage  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:18:36pm

You know, sometimes the guy who's all flashy, the one with the cool moves, the one who's the crowd favorite...just gets his clock cleaned in the end.

You got that, Mr. Obama?

26 Mich-again  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:20:47pm

re: #16 Pawn of the Oppressor

it's amazing how supposedly intelligent people will fall all over themselves to cry about how she's dumb, unqualified, yadda yadda, even when she comes across looking good

IMO Here are few of the reasons for that.

1) The BDS crowd needs a new focal point and for them, McCain doesn't work.
2) Lots of women have a problem with jealousy of other women. Especially with smarter, prettier, and more successful women.
3) Lots of sheeple believe everything they see from the MSM.
4) Lots of Libs are sewer dwellers by nature.

Add them all up and its probably half of the Dem base.

27 spidly  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:21:30pm

re: #22 Racer X

The Vote Reaper

This guy kicks ass.

here's his page with all of them
machosauceproduction

and another good video though old i think
Bob Parks black history month
from
black and right

28 Racer X  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:22:16pm

re: #25 DesertSage

You know, sometimes the guy who's all flashy, the one with the cool moves, the one who's the crowd favorite...just gets his clock cleaned in the end.

[Link: ca.youtube.com...]

You got that, Mr. Obama?

LOL!

29 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:22:52pm
30 leftover54  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:23:25pm

re: #16 Pawn of the Oppressor

I'm hopin' she doesn't become a victim of her own success.
I've noticed that I hear her name waaaay too much...as much as I love this lady (as in "admire") I'm starting to flinch when I hear her name on the TV/radio every 10 seconds. I know she was somewhat out of the picture until the debate but ever since ...whhhheeeeewwwwww ! There is such a thing as over exposure/saturation/"jumped the shark" and I've been a pretty good barometer of these things over the years ...not 'cause I have any talent or wisdom etc., just that I'm a cranky old man and things get on my nerves quickly ! Usually just before "it" seems to get on the nerves of the normal population. Hey, it came in handy when I was a cranky YOUNG man - was on to the next "newest thing" before everyone else. When something/anything gets "hip", "cool", the "in" thing, I'm already gone ! Heres to hoping I'm waaayyy off my mark here !

31 Racer X  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:23:48pm

re: #27 spidly

here's his page with all of them
machosauceproduction

and another good video though old i think
Bob Parks black history month
from
black and right

I am watching all of them. This guy gets it.

Thanks newsjunkie_ky!

32 spidly  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:23:49pm

re: #25 DesertSage

You know, sometimes the guy who's all flashy, the one with the cool moves, the one who's the crowd favorite...just gets his clock cleaned in the end.

[Link: ca.youtube.com...]

You got that, Mr. Obama?

afro ninja

33 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:26:33pm

Does the Flying Pig take 3am phone calls?

Because Alec Baldwin just went on Bill Maher and blamed Democrats (Bill Clinton and Barney Frank in particular) for the meltdown.

It is on you tube. At about 1 minute 30 seconds.

34 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:27:33pm

re: #25 DesertSage

You know, sometimes the guy who's all flashy, the one with the cool moves, the one who's the crowd favorite...just gets his clock cleaned in the end.

[Link: ca.youtube.com...]

You got that, Mr. Obama?

He's not the crowd favorite. He's favored by a loud minority who he thinks is the crowd. He'll find out the truth, the question is how badly we'll all suffer before he does. If he loses the election, he'll find out in the best way and we'll all be saved a great deal of pain.

35 captkirk35  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:28:46pm

Planted my McCain/Palin sign in the old front yard today. Living in a liberal city in Oregon, I wonder how long it will last.

36 billypaintbrush  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:30:21pm

Hope McCain has a nice relaxing weekend. Maybe this Elmer Fudd imitation of his is a rope-a-dope. Its too bad he wants to play nice with "my friends", and not actually want to be president.

37 Spirit93  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:31:40pm

re: #33 karmic_inquisitor

Does the Flying Pig take 3am phone calls?

Because Alec Baldwin just went on Bill Maher and blamed Democrats (Bill Clinton and Barney Frank in particular) for the meltdown.

It is on you tube. At about 1 minute 30 seconds.

If this truth breaks out it will be a game changer.

38 captkirk35  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:32:17pm

re: #36 billypaintbrush


McCain will come out swinging on Tuesday. Let's just hope he has the gloves off.

39 Moe Katz  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:33:24pm

Anybody miss EIDE_interface yet?

40 Mich-again  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:33:27pm

re: #35 captkirk35

All you need is a flashing red diode in the window looking at the sign. It will look like a camera and no one wants to get on YouTube like that.

41 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:33:32pm

Anyone have the link for that blog Little Green Footballs?

42 captkirk35  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:34:59pm

I expect I'll have some footage before long.

43 Ringo the Gringo  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:35:03pm

re: #16 Pawn of the Oppressor


Is there a word that goes beyond mere "hate"? Because she inspires a reaction in some people that's just unbelievable.

Most of the anti-Palin protesters were women and many of the signs and placards they carried were utterly contemptuous. They really hate the fact that she winks and apparently when she says "betcha" it just drives them over the edge.

Also many of the protesters seemed convinced that Sarah Palin hates nature and wants to kill every living thing in sight, especially polar bears and wolves.

Many of the signs also featured pictures of pigs, and quite a few of the demonstrators were wearing rubber pig noses.

44 suboptimal  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:35:12pm

re: #39 Moe Katz

Anybody miss EIDE_interface yet?

Should we have been aiming for him?

45 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:35:19pm

re: #39 Moe Katz

Anybody miss EIDE_interface yet?

Hell, no. Did he get banned?

46 Bill K.  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:35:23pm

How to make government stop? Long answer short: take the power to intervene in the economy out of the hands of government.

Meanwhile Jonathan Hoenig has an excellent article at Smart Money
Government Intervention Instills Chaos, Not Calm


I’m a trader, not a political pundit. To that end, I’d love nothing more than to get back to talking about earnings, trends, new products and corporate management. Unfortunately, right now none of those matter. Big Brother is jerking the strings of the financial markets on a daily basis, making normal methods of analysis all but impotent.

Whether the final price tag is $700 billion or not, just as with Sarbanes-Oxley or the Patriot Act, the government’s need to “do something” will deliver a cure that’s much worse than the disease, (likely) turning a normal two-year correction into a multi-decade Depression.

47 LeePro  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:35:54pm

re: #25 DesertSage

You know, sometimes the guy who's all flashy, the one with the cool moves, the one who's the crowd favorite...just gets his clock cleaned in the end.

[Link: ca.youtube.com...]

You got that, Mr. Obama?

L!
O!
L!

48 DesertSage  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:35:59pm

re: #39 Moe Katz

Anybody miss EIDE_interface yet?

What happened to EIDE?

49 Spirit93  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:36:49pm

re: #41 Walter L. Newton

Anyone have the link for that blog Little Green Footballs?

Wait a sec, I'll check my favs.

50 Moe Katz  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:37:00pm

re: #48 DesertSage

What happened to EIDE?

El stick

51 leftover54  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:37:26pm

re: #33 karmic_inquisitor


Holy She-ite ! One just flew by my window !
You go Baldwin !
(is he the normally liberal Baldwin ?)

52 spidly  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:38:02pm

re: #33 karmic_inquisitor

Does the Flying Pig take 3am phone calls?

Because Alec Baldwin just went on Bill Maher and blamed Democrats (Bill Clinton and Barney Frank in particular) for the meltdown.

It is on you tube. At about 1 minute 30 seconds.

maybe getting screwed by Kim jong il straightened him out
You are usewess , Awec Bawdwin

think he'll dissociate from Film Actors Guild now?

53 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:38:03pm

re: #50 Moe Katz

El stick

What does that mean?

54 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:38:26pm

re: #50 Moe Katz

El stick

Hi Moe. How's the weekend going for ya?

55 Moe Katz  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:38:39pm

re: #53 Dark_Falcon

What does that mean?

Charles showed him the exit, he has left the building!

56 spidly  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:39:19pm

what about student of objectivism? he finally get sent back to the Pauliverse?

57 Moe Katz  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:40:13pm

re: #54 Walter L. Newton

Hi Moe. How's the weekend going for ya?

I'm good, Walter. Recovering from an all-you-can-eat Chinese+ buffet, I must confess. And how are you, good sir? How goes the recovery from the surgery?

58 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:40:18pm

re: #55 Moe Katz

Charles showed him the exit, he has left the building!

Good riddance to bad rubbish. He was given a fair chance and he blew it. He will not be missed.

59 Athens Runaway  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:40:20pm

re: #38 captkirk35

I'll believe it when I see it.

60 redc1c4  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:41:03pm

re: #39 Moe Katz

Anybody miss EIDE_interface yet?

who? %-)

61 Moe Katz  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:41:50pm

re: #58 Dark_Falcon

Good riddance to bad rubbish. He was given a fair chance[s] and he blew it. He will not be missed.

There.

62 least  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:42:09pm

The more the moonbats rage at Governor Palin, the more their mask of rationality slips. This is a good thing.
However, as I've said before, things have got to get really, really weird out for a population that's become desensitized to lots bad stuff to be repelled by the "passion" they exhibit. This is a scary thing - 'cause there's no telling just how dangerous and bizarre can they get?

63 Moe Katz  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:42:24pm

re: #61 Moe Katz

There.

Oops, meant to say he was given COUNTLESS chances. But he had this compulsion to troll.

64 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:42:34pm

re: #57 Moe Katz

I'm good, Walter. Recovering from an all-you-can-eat Chinese+ buffet, I must confess. And how are you, good sir? How goes the recovery from the surgery?

Fine. Clumsy incision though, it's going to leave a bit of a scar, and I don't scar easy. Denver Health and Medical is the city hospital and of course, it's associated with one of the colleges, so I suspect I got some intern working on extra credit.

I went to a Chinese/German eatery once. One hours after you finished eating, you wanted to start a war again.

65 Moe Katz  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:44:25pm

re: #60 redc1c4

who? %-)

This neurotic geek in his early 30's who was endlessly provoking everyone with his outrageous statements, though not quite technically a moby or troll by the strict definition. Last week he said if Muslims want Sharia courts then, fine, let them beat their wives.

66 DesertSage  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:45:17pm

re: #50 Moe Katz

El stick

Why? What did he do?

67 least  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:45:22pm

re: #39 Moe Katz

Anybody miss EIDE_interface yet?

So where did he (?) go.
Is he just laying low?
Did the Capo di tutti lizardos get fed up?
What?

68 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:45:58pm

re: #63 Moe Katz

Oops, meant to say he was given COUNTLESS chances. But he had this compulsion to troll.

Indeed, I gave him some of those chances. You did as well. However, he either was on mission as a moby or was too stubborn to use those chances. Either way, I agree that had no business being here and I thank Charles for giving him the hatch.

69 Moe Katz  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:46:10pm

re: #64 Walter L. Newton


I went to a Chinese/German eatery once. One hours after you finished eating, you wanted to start a war again.

Good one, must remember it.

Are you still having much pain?

70 LeePro  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:46:51pm

re: #50 Moe Katz

El stick

EI whacked!

71 Moe Katz  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:48:21pm

re: #66 DesertSage

Why? What did he do?

I think he was actually banned for statements about what ought to be done with all the Muslims; you know, things that one doesn't do in a democratic country ... But the general pattern of conduct was provocative, as I've said. His being kicked out was more to do with crossing those red lines about what can be advocated on the discussion board, however.

72 LeePro  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:49:39pm
73 pat  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:49:48pm

Watching the polls, should they be such, it is clear the country is in a full panic. Wherein angry blacks, racists, losers, Democrats, Hollywood, Muslims, Hindus, Jews, Buddhists, prisoners, all the media, Europe, Russia, China, Arabia, communists and Mexicans and other illegal immigrants believe that we should disarm, have nationalized medicine, eat less, be cold in winter, suffer more, and perhaps just die.

74 redc1c4  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:50:15pm

re: #64 Walter L. Newton

Fine. Clumsy incision though, it's going to leave a bit of a scar, and I don't scar easy. Denver Health and Medical is the city hospital and of course, it's associated with one of the colleges, so I suspect I got some intern working on extra credit.

I went to a Chinese/German eatery once. One hours after you finished eating, you wanted to start a war again.

there are things you can use to reduce scarring..... check with your doc for appropriateness, but HRH has a bottle of Scarguard and it seems to be efficacious the times shes used it. when i had my ankle rebuilt, the surgeon had me rub cocoa butter into the area post op, and the incision is visible, but not raised.....

75 Moe Katz  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:50:59pm

re: #70 LeePro

EI whacked!

Yeah, leading to a nice string of puns about his computer-hardware-based nic, like "Charles pulled his drive cable" and so on ad infinitum. Oh yes, I said Charles threw him under the 133 MBps bus.

76 least  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:51:27pm

Dang!
The question was asked and answered long before I finished composing my question.
Old and slow, I am.
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too slow for the Lounge.

77 redc1c4  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:51:40pm

re: #65 Moe Katz

This neurotic geek in his early 30's who was endlessly provoking everyone with his outrageous statements, though not quite technically a moby or troll by the strict definition. Last week he said if Muslims want Sharia courts then, fine, let them beat their wives.

sorry: i thought the "%-)" made the "/" unnecessary.......

(maybe i should have used white smoke instead? %-)

78 DesertSage  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:52:11pm

I just can't figure out what's going on here?

79 pat  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:52:13pm

I got the impression that Eide was a moby. Am I wrong? (done that before. i do not always pay attention). Other things happening in my life.

80 Macker  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:52:41pm

re: #39 Moe Katz

Not Just No but HELL NO!

81 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:52:46pm

re: #73 pat

Watching the polls, should they be such, it is clear the country is in a full panic. Wherein angry blacks, racists, losers, Democrats, Hollywood, Muslims, Hindus, Jews, Buddhists, prisoners, all the media, Europe, Russia, China, Arabia, communists and Mexicans and other illegal immigrants believe that we should disarm, have nationalized medicine, eat less, be cold in winter, suffer more, and perhaps just die.

It's Pat! Neither a girl nor a boy, just a troll. GAZE

82 Moe Katz  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:53:10pm

re: #72 LeePro

Uh-oh.

You mean, uh oh because he won't be visible to put his foot in his mouth, right?

83 DistantThunder  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:53:26pm

I've been studying deprogramming since I've sent my brother certain things on obama and he's said: Stop spreading hate, taken out of context, learn to think for yourself. The video of the chanting teenagers he claimed someone made to make Obama look bad.

He's brainwashed

Deprogramming and exit-counseling

84 Nightwatch  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:55:03pm

Fresh off the Conservative day spa...
Good to be of the 2 inch groups at combat range, threat acquisition, less than 2 sec.
An improvement over last year's "Commie posing as Fuller Brush Man at your door" scenario."

I was hoping for the PETA/OBAMA "I AM THE NEW WORLD ORDER!, foot pushed into the screen door, 40SW triple tap response (chest high), but the sponsors, giving due process to the ACLU said that they were under court order not to allow that program to proceed.


So I went into the hills around my house and sniped 5 coyotes (four legged only)' and 10 to 12 big Harry RATS! Funny, they LOOKED like congressmen/women, only more gamey. justifiable shooting at the very least....

85 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:55:13pm

re: #69 Moe Katz

Good one, must remember it. Are you still having much pain?

Occasional little sore on the incision, but not really. I'm up to full steam at the theatre, everything from hanging lights, building sets, cleaning toilets, running the shows etc.

The tech staff wear not hats, we all do what we need to keep the show and the facility running.

86 redc1c4  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:55:40pm

re: #73 pat

you managed to leave one or two groups out of your blanket staement....

would you care to rephrase, advise & extend your remarks, or should we just start laughing at you now?

87 DesertSage  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:56:44pm

I can't figure out what's going on here either?

88 Moe Katz  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:57:22pm

re: #81 Dark_Falcon

Eek!

89 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:57:23pm

re: #82 Moe Katz

You mean, uh oh because he won't be visible to put his foot in his mouth, right?

No, "uh oh" because it might give Biden sympathy votes. And especially, "uh oh" because someone is very sick. That is always a bad thing.

90 least  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:57:45pm

re: #84 Nightwatch

Oh, if this post isn't fodder for the loons at LGF Watch -- and and all their hive mates.

91 redc1c4  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:57:57pm

re: #84 Nightwatch

Fresh off the Conservative day spa...
Good to be of the 2 inch groups at combat range, threat acquisition, less than 2 sec.
An improvement over last year's "Commie posing as Fuller Brush Man at your door" scenario."

I was hoping for the PETA/OBAMA "I AM THE NEW WORLD ORDER!, foot pushed into the screen door, 40SW triple tap response (chest high), but the sponsors, giving due process to the ACLU said that they were under court order not to allow that program to proceed.


So I went into the hills around my house and sniped 5 coyotes (four legged only)' and 10 to 12 big Harry RATS! Funny, they LOOKED like congressmen/women, only more gamey. justifiable shooting at the very least....

i've potted 2 or 3 rats in the backyard tonight already.....

'bout time to go check again.

(no more easy kills %-(

92 Karridine  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:58:15pm

re: #73 pat

It is certainly clear that the poll posters (the poll-takers) WANT US TO THINK the nation is in full panic... agree with you there...

93 Moe Katz  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:58:19pm

re: #85 Walter L. Newton

Occasional little sore on the incision, but not really. I'm up to full steam at the theatre, everything from hanging lights, building sets, cleaning toilets, running the shows etc.

The tech staff wear not hats, we all do what we need to keep the show and the facility running.

Sounds like you have a lot of fun.

94 Nightwatch  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:59:11pm

re: #41 Walter L. Newton
Walter,

striking the mid soon, care to toast........just for the hell of it?

95 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:00:26am

re: #87 DesertSage

I can't figure out what's going on here either?

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

fight. two guys in the street and the manhole guy coming in aid to one of them
featured guy thinks he's going to use manhole cover as a weapon. slow mo you see he dropped it on his am, probably breaking it.

96 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:01:08am

re: #82 Moe Katz

You mean, uh oh because he won't be visible to put his foot in his mouth, right?

maybe the Biden exit strategy?

97 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:01:26am

re: #76 least

Dang!
The question was asked and answered long before I finished composing my question.
Old and slow, I am.
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too slow for the Lounge.

They have voice at the lounge. Don't know if it's being used yet.

98 LeePro  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:01:27am

re: #78 DesertSage

I just can't figure out what's going on here?

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Maybe the poster's name — num1jackass — explains that.

99 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:01:47am

re: #96 spidly

maybe the Biden exit strategy?

Yep.

100 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:01:47am

re: #74 redc1c4

there are things you can use to reduce scarring..... check with your doc for appropriateness, but HRH has a bottle of Scarguard and it seems to be efficacious the times shes used it. when i had my ankle rebuilt, the surgeon had me rub cocoa butter into the area post op, and the incision is visible, but not raised.....

Hi red.

My basic problem (well, it's not a problem, I'm not too worried about it) is I've lost about 180 pounds over the last two years. So, the surgeon was cutting through a lot of flabby loose skin.

He (or she, I was asleep, I never met the surgeon) did not have a tight layer of sking to sew up. It's more like he had to bunch it up a bit when he pulled it back together.

Like I say, I'm not worried. It was a inguinal hernia, so it doesn't show in public. I would rather have the scar than the 324 pounds I had before.

101 DesertSage  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:02:46am

re: #95 spidly

fight. two guys in the street and the manhole guy coming in aid to one of them
featured guy thinks he's going to use manhole cover as a weapon. slow mo you see he dropped it on his am, probably breaking it.

Well, some people are just dumb as a bag of hammers.

102 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:03:17am

re: #89 Dark_Falcon

No, "uh oh" because it might give Biden sympathy votes. And especially, "uh oh" because someone is very sick. That is always a bad thing.

A serious illness in the family of his in-laws. How much sympathy does one get for that?

103 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:03:34am

re: #99 Moe Katz

re: #96 spidly

maybe the Biden exit strategy?

Yep.

but he won the debate, dontcha know

104 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:03:42am

re: #73 pat

I sent that post on to Charles. I hope he catches it in the morning. And Pat, try reading the rules at the top of the page. You may get the stick from Charles for that remark.

105 LeePro  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:04:42am

re: #82 Moe Katz

You mean, uh oh because he won't be visible to put his foot in his mouth, right?

I mean uh-oh because if he "conveeeeeeeeeniently" drops out, guess who will might replace!

106 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:06:35am

re: #103 spidly

but he won the debate, dontcha know

This election is teaching some folks about the social construction of reality. This phrase will pass from the rarified air of sociological discourse to common parlance.

107 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:07:34am

re: #105 LeePro

I mean uh-oh because if he "conveeeeeeeeeniently" drops out, guess who will might replace!

Possibly ... though I'd be surprised. He's leading anyway, why fix what ain't broke?

108 Nightwatch  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:07:42am

re: #91 redc1c4


AARRGGHH,

That said, .......a TOAST to being scaled or scalded ,choose your poison lizzie's


REAL WEST............real west, my jkeyboard is wt wit red wien....toast ya bastards.. comeeeeon ..........WHO is mandy........zzz.z.zz.z.zzz.

109 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:08:06am

re: #102 Moe Katz

A serious illness in the family of his in-laws. How much sympathy does one get for that?

Not much, you're right. But I stand by the second part. That having been said, we may have an opportunity. If they pull Biden, they admit just what a boneheaded choice they made. We must seize any such club they offer us and pound them with it. Sarah Palin vindicated John McCain's judgment. We must see that if Biden is replaced, Obama's failure of judgment is highlighted.

110 LeePro  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:11:19am

re: #101 DesertSage

Well, some people are just dumb as a bag of hammers.

Like I said: check the poster's name — num1jackass

;D

111 least  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:11:49am

re: #108 Nightwatch

Wha?

112 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:11:52am

re: #109 Dark_Falcon

Not much, you're right. But I stand by the second part. That having been said, we may have an opportunity. If they pull Biden, they admit just what a boneheaded choice they made. We must seize any such club they offer us and pound them with it. Sarah Palin vindicated John McCain's judgment. We must see that if Biden is replaced, Obama's failure of judgment is highlighted.

It just seems you could photograph Obama molesting sheep and the MSM would find a way to downplay it.

113 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:13:00am

re: #108 Nightwatch

AARRGGHH,

That said, .......a TOAST to being scaled or scalded ,choose your poison lizzie's... REAL WEST............real west, my jkeyboard is wt wit red wien....toast ya bastards.. comeeeeon ..........WHO is mandy........zzz.z.zz.z.zzz.

Did you just go through an anal probe by aliens?

114 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:13:11am

I just sew part of this. I can honestly say that it scared me. I will not panic, but I am more certain than ever that we must win this election.

115 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:15:15am

this is *not* a good sign..... out back scanning for rats, and i hear a siren start up to the east, headed my way.....

then i here a chopper beating feet also. usually, this time of night, they go easy on the sound in this AO, but not this time. blew right by, headed west, but not that far..... followed by another siren a skosh later. first was likely Fire dept, 2nd, LAPD.....

not good on a saturday night, but at least i didn't hear gunshots.

i don't miss living in *that* kind of area.... %-)

116 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:15:25am

re: #106 Moe Katz

This election is teaching some folks about the social construction of reality. This phrase will pass from the rarified air of sociological discourse to common parlance.

you think the current construct will go the way of its cousin Baghdad Bobianism since the efforts are so transparent?

117 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:15:31am

re: #112 Moe Katz

It just seems you could photograph Obama molesting sheep and the MSM would find a way to downplay it.

Agreed. So we must question his judgment. Here, in other forums, to our co-workers, whenever we can. Obama must be defeated and we must do what we can to see that that happens.

118 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:15:50am

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

I just sew part of this. I can honestly say that it scared me. I will not panic, but I am more certain than ever that we must win this election.

Good grief!

119 LeePro  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:16:37am

re: #73 pat

re: #104 Walter L. Newton

I sent that post on to Charles. I hope he catches it in the morning. And Pat, try reading the rules at the top of the page. You may get the stick from Charles for that remark.

Nothing wrong with Pat's remark, Walter. People get whacked for being racist, not for naming them.

/THIS post sent to Charles.

120 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:16:57am

re: #112 Moe Katz

It just seems you could photograph Obama molesting sheep and the MSM would find a way to downplay it.

they won't get that photo until after he's elected and he socks it to the morons who elected him.

121 pat  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:17:17am

re: #92 Karridine

;)

122 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:17:44am

re: #116 spidly

you think the current construct will go the way of its cousin Baghdad Bobianism since the efforts are so transparent?

I just don't question anymore the capacity of people to brainwash people. It's fucking depressing.

123 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:18:06am

re: #115 redc1c4

this is *not* a good sign..... out back scanning for rats, and i hear a siren start up to the east, headed my way.....

then i here a chopper beating feet also. usually, this time of night, they go easy on the sound in this AO, but not this time. blew right by, headed west, but not that far..... followed by another siren a skosh later. first was likely Fire dept, 2nd, LAPD.....

not good on a saturday night, but at least i didn't hear gunshots.

i don't miss living in *that* kind of area.... %-)

Bushitler martial law begins? Naomi Wolf was right?

124 Karridine  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:18:17am

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

I just sew part of this. I can honestly say that it scared me. I will not panic, but I am more certain than ever that we must win this election.

Obama's Blackshirts

125 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:19:08am

re: #119 LeePro

re: #104 Walter L. Newton


Nothing wrong with Pat's remark, Walter. People get whacked for being racist, not for naming them.

/THIS post sent to Charles.

I'm sorry, when I read it, it appeared that he was wishing this list of people would die. Perhaps I am misreading it. I'm sorry if I stir a pot here.

126 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:20:28am

re: #117 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. So we must question his judgment. Here, in other forums, to our co-workers, whenever we can. Obama must be defeated and we must do what we can to see that that happens.

I agree. I certainly wouldn't throw my hands up and wail like EIDE :) Much could still happen and one must keep trying.

127 LeePro  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:20:49am

re: #125 Walter L. Newton

;)

129 pat  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:22:25am

re: #125 Walter L. Newton

Why would I want them to die? Many are relatives. They are just idiots, opportunists, or free loaders. They still show up at Thanksgiving and Christmas.
Speaking of which, another group lands in an hour.

130 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:22:35am

re: #123 spidly

Bushitler martial law begins? Naomi Wolf was right?

more likely a spectacular MVA........ or some sort of felony in progress, since they called for air support. we did have a shooting a few blocks away awhile back...... i counted 20+ gunshots, and the only person left at the scene was a thug with a minor flesh wound in the leg...... he was on his cell phone as they wheeled him into the ambulance. happened outside the localest (we have several) Starbucks....

131 Nightwatch  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:22:46am

re: #113 Walter L. Newton


NO! by all concrete, ya blasted one! just prepping ya up for more engagement of the key-board tippy-tappy type! But I reserve the right to shot=gun blast anyone standing 3 to 4 feet to my left as the keyboard lye's!

132 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:23:15am

re: #119 LeePro

re: #104 Walter L. Newton

Nothing wrong with Pat's remark, Walter. People get whacked for being racist, not for naming them.

/THIS post sent to Charles.

Point taken. It's just that Pat has said troll-like things in the past. After the imbroglio over EIDE, I'm kind've in a "Won't Get Fooled Again" mode.

133 ibmkeyboard  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:23:30am

After Barney Frank Chris Dodd and Nancy Peloski along with other notable idiots have melted down the finical sector of the USA.

I have reached a decision that the safest job in America will not be a slick talking senator, congressman/woman, or even the president.
I often thought people working in the food or clothing business had the safest jobs.
The safest job in America will be the man or woman running a dollar printing press.
According to my estimates he or she will have to print 47 trillion dollars over the next 70 years.
We will have paid for his/her house, their children's college education and health insurance. Not to mention their social security and pension.

Does anyone know how I can get a job at the United States Treasury dept via The United States Bureau of Engraving and Printing?

/lets see, 47 trillion divided by 89 years might not be too long-
uh- 47 trillion divided by..........

134 Karridine  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:24:07am

re: #129 pat

Walter missed the part about all those groups 'believe... we should... die'

/a misread. It happens. I'm outta here.

135 pat  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:24:45am

Pat doesn't say troll things, but on the other hand, eh.....? I say what I say.

136 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:25:25am

re: #135 pat

Pat doesn't say troll things, but on the other hand, eh.....? I say what I say.

I yam what I yam.

137 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:25:27am

re: #130 redc1c4

funniest part was that *none* of my neighbors even recognized the sounds as gunshots when we talked about it later.......

or is that "saddest"?

138 freedomplow  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:25:55am

Send Palin to Iraq, Afghanistan, Germany and Israel.

Bring Nugent

And Kid Rock

Double Down.

139 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:26:08am

re: #128 West Coast Freedom

Back In Time...

1966-1971
Obama moves to Indonesia with his mother in 1966 or 1967. [6] Dunham marries Indonesian Muslim Lolo Soetoro. [6] Soetoro likely adopts Obama, whose name is changed to Barry Soetoro. Elementary school records in Indonesia list Obama’s new name as Barry Soetoro and his religion as Islam. [14,172] Obama may or may not have actively practiced the Muslim religion, but according to one of his Indonesian school principals, Tine Hahiyary, the young Obama studied “Mangaji,” which involves the recitation of the Quran. [15]

It really doesn't matter. He has publicly professed to being a Christian. Even if you don't like his Black Liberation Theology brand of Christianity, I don't think this is in anyway an issue.

At least not anymore than he may be sensitive (or even bias) to a Muslims mindset.

Oh sure, he could be just "fooling us" about being Christian, but we can't really know.

There's a hell of a lot bigger problems with Obama than some schooling he received as a child.

140 Spirit93  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:26:12am

re: #134 Karridine

Go, get some sleep!
And weet dreams.

141 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:26:30am

re: #122 Moe Katz

I just don't question anymore the capacity of people to brainwash people. It's fucking depressing.

not even brainwashing... selling out cheap

DEMS, the party of:
Slavery, KKK, Jim Crow, Stalin Worship, Mussolini Idolatry, Castro cosiness, Sandanista support, Opposition to Civil Rights, Moa and Ho.....
But they are the party of welfare checks, forget that other stuff. get on board with the new servitude!

142 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:28:06am

re: #139 Walter L. Newton

It really doesn't matter. He has publicly professed to being a Christian. Even if you don't like his Black Liberation Theology brand of Christianity, I don't think this is in anyway an issue.

At least not anymore than he may be sensitive (or even bias) to a Muslims mindset.

Oh sure, he could be just "fooling us" about being Christian, but we can't really know.

There's a hell of a lot bigger problems with Obama than some schooling he received as a child.

If he hasn't been forthcoming about his Muslim youth, though, that is ammunition for the campaign, no? A big gotcha?

143 pat  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:28:38am

re: #138 freedomplow

And Dolly Parton came out STRONG for her today!

144 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:29:24am

re: #131 Nightwatch

NO! by all concrete, ya blasted one! just prepping ya up for more engagement of the key-board tippy-tappy type! But I reserve the right to shot=gun blast anyone standing 3 to 4 feet to my left as the keyboard lye's!

Ok. Step away from your keyboard. Put the bottle of Everclear down, take a deep breath and...

See, now that's better isn't it? Now, don't try to make it all the way to the bedroom, the closest couch or chair will be fine.

Lie down, now go to that happy place, go to that happy place, and I betcha golly gee, everything will be alright.

Ok Dr. Phil, take over.

145 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:30:30am

Walter's in good form tonight.

146 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:31:34am

re: #141 spidly

not even brainwashing... selling out cheap

DEMS, the party of:
Slavery, KKK, Jim Crow, Stalin Worship, Mussolini Idolatry, Castro cosiness, Sandanista support, Opposition to Civil Rights, Moa and Ho.....
But they are the party of welfare checks, forget that other stuff. get on board with the new servitude!

I don't really even want to think about an Obama administration.

147 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:31:46am

re: #138 freedomplow

Send Palin to Iraq, Afghanistan, Germany and Israel.

Bring Nugent

And Kid Rock

Double Down.

the Nuge could sneak into Pakistan, kill the whoe of the Taliban and stick an arrow in Osama's Eyball from 1000 yards...if he were still alive

148 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:32:24am

I'm out for the night. That video will ensure I have interesting dreams, I'm sure.

149 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:32:35am

re: #142 Moe Katz

If he hasn't been forthcoming about his Muslim youth, though, that is ammunition for the campaign, no? A big gotcha?

No, that would be really delving into the nuances of faith, what it means to be a Muslim, how to be a Muslim, if he was of a viable age etc. There is a multitude of ways he could finese his way out of those religious points.

I say it's really not worth the trouble.

Now, if he starts by opening the next debate with a reading from the koran...

150 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:32:53am

'Night, Falcon...

152 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:33:30am

re: #147 spidly

...if he were still alive (Osama that is)

153 LeePro  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:33:46am

re: #139 Walter L. Newton

It really doesn't matter. He has publicly professed to being a Christian. [...]

But is he really a christian? ...the Muslims teach that it is "okay" to lie about being a Muslim, if it promotes their cause.

154 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:34:18am

re: #149 Walter L. Newton

No, that would be really delving into the nuances of faith, what it means to be a Muslim, how to be a Muslim, if he was of a viable age etc. There is a multitude of ways he could finese his way out of those religious points.

I say it's really not worth the trouble.

Now, if he starts by opening the next debate with a reading from the koran...

You're probably right, especially the way the MSM would spin it.

155 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:35:04am

re: #153 LeePro

But is he really a christian? ...the Muslims teach that it is "okay" to lie about being a Muslim, if it promotes their cause.

He's a Wrightian. Church of race and class warfare with some Christian props.

156 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:35:11am

re: #145 Moe Katz

Walter's in good form tonight.

Thanks. It's 1:30ish here in Colorado and for some reason I am wide-eyed and not the least bit tired. I don't have to be back to work at the theatre until about 3:00pm Sunday to get ready for our 6:00pm performance.

157 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:36:21am

re: #153 LeePro

But is he really a christian? ...the Muslims teach that it is "okay" to lie about being a Muslim, if it promotes their cause.

I saw an old interview with him on YouTube that convinced me he's an atheist and sees religion as a way of getting people to participate in a cause. It's pure manipulation to him, I'm convinced....

158 LeePro  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:36:29am

re: #155 spidly

He's a Wrightian. Church of race and class warfare with some Christian props.

Heh.

159 Nightwatch  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:36:56am

re: #141 spidly

re: #141 spidly

sorry man, had to double down the click to make sure you proofed, point taken, best not repeated, you have to know you enemy without painting the side of the barn RED!

Least everyone knows.....ya...know? (OLD Indian saying..Mayan I think.)

Dude, my bottle of Merlot is....where?


RACER-X?

160 Mel Lono  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:37:15am

re: #24 redc1c4

i lurves me some PJ......

Remember, your body needs 6 to 8 glasses of fluid daily. Straight up or on the rocks.
O'Rourke, P.J.

You're both my heroes.

161 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:37:33am

re: #156 Walter L. Newton

Thanks. It's 1:30ish here in Colorado and for some reason I am wide-eyed and not the least bit tired. I don't have to be back to work at the theatre until about 3:00pm Sunday to get ready for our 6:00pm performance.

And you're a night person by nature.

162 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:37:46am

re: #153 LeePro

But is he really a christian? ...the Muslims teach that it is "okay" to lie about being a Muslim, if it promotes their cause.

See my 149.

I really wouldn't care if we had a Muslim candidate, really. The only issues I have with Muslims is the ones that want to kill me. I'm not at the point of lumping them all into one caravan.

163 Mel Lono  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:39:20am

re: #67 least

So where did he (?) go.
Is he just laying low?
Did the Capo di tutti lizardos get fed up?
What?

He's been assimilated.
/still trying to catch up/

164 Nightwatch  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:40:38am

re: #144 Walter L. Newton


Now we find our lamblasted one standing out iin the back-yard, fly down and peein on the dead grass while screaming, " DAMN YA PHIL!"

165 LeePro  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:41:03am

re: #162 Walter L. Newton

But if he's lying?

Alarm bells klaxons ringing blaring...!

166 LeePro  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:41:42am

Keyboard is not comfy pillow...

    ¦O ya-a-a-w-w-w-n-n-n

G'nite {good Lizards}!

/hugs on {red}!

167 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:42:01am

re: #157 Moe Katz

I saw an old interview with him on YouTube that convinced me he's an atheist and sees religion as a way of getting people to participate in a cause. It's pure manipulation to him, I'm convinced....

That would be my best answer to his religious leanings period. I've heard him answer a few questions on his Christianity, and in the least, he has a VERY liberal understanding of traditional Christian concepts, and in the most, I don't think he buys any part of the divine aspects of Christian theology.

168 Mel Lono  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:42:58am

re: #162 Walter L. Newton

one Hlump or two?

169 srb1976  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:43:58am

re: #117 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. So we must question his judgment. Here, in other forums, to our co-workers, whenever we can. Obama must be defeated and we must do what we can to see that that happens.

Ok, this group as a whole seems a lot more active and involved than I usually am. What (aside from sending money, which I will for the first time ever) can someone in a state that will go solidly for McCain provided he doesn't start eating babies in the next month, do.

Wow, and I really apologize for the sentence construction there, but it's been a long day

170 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:44:33am

re: #166 LeePro

Keyboard is not comfy pillow...

    ¦O ya-a-a-w-w-w-n-n-n

G'nite {good Lizards}!

/hugs on {red}!

Goodnight, LeePro, pleasant dreams!

171 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:45:36am

re: #165 LeePro

But if he's lying?

Alarm bells klaxons ringing blaring...!

Ok, and what if Palins lying, she really wants put creation theology into schools. We could go on forever asking that question, is he or she, or this one or that one, or this group or that group, hey, are they lying.

Hell, you wouldn't make it though a day with that kind of cynicism. And take it from someone who wants Andy Rooneys job when it dies.

I can't think of nothing better than getting paid to gripe about everything, and to question every breath someone takes.

172 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:46:20am

re: #169 srb1976

Ok, this group as a whole seems a lot more active and involved than I usually am. What (aside from sending money, which I will for the first time ever) can someone in a state that will go solidly for McCain provided he doesn't start eating babies in the next month, do.

Wow, and I really apologize for the sentence construction there, but it's been a long day

if you are near a state that is in play - or even if you are not and have time on your hands - you can sign up to canvass. there's phone calls, yadda yadda yadda.
contact the campaign and see

173 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:46:43am

re: #167 Walter L. Newton

That would be my best answer to his religious leanings period. I've heard him answer a few questions on his Christianity, and in the least, he has a VERY liberal understanding of traditional Christian concepts, and in the most, I don't think he buys any part of the divine aspects of Christian theology.

Exactly. He is the prototypical red that lives under one's bed.

174 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:46:43am

re: #166 LeePro

Keyboard is not comfy pillow...

    ¦O ya-a-a-w-w-w-n-n-n

G'nite {good Lizards}!

/hugs on {red}!

Night wonderful, sleep well.

175 Spirit93  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:47:21am

re: #169 srb1976

Talk to or email friends, relatives.

176 srb1976  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:48:31am

re: #172 spidly

I'm sure that seems like a stupid question, but I'm in alabama, I'm expecting to see LARGE margins of victory for McCain here. I've always voted, I've just never actively gotten involved (since mostly I've voted against people rather than for them)

Thanks though.

177 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:49:50am

re: #171 Walter L. Newton

Ok, and what if Palins lying, she really wants put creation theology into schools. We could go on forever asking that question, is he or she, or this one or that one, or this group or that group, hey, are they lying.

Hell, you wouldn't make it though a day with that kind of cynicism. And take it from someone who wants Andy Rooneys job when it dies.

I can't think of nothing better than getting paid to gripe about everything, and to question every breath someone takes.

we're pretty sure he'll sell The US, Georgia, Ukraine, and Israel down the river, let Iran Have nukes and roll over Iraq, ignore the Norks while they go nuts, etc.. regardless of his theology so there's not much use in questioning it

178 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:50:31am

I'm really upset now. Selma Hayek was suppose to stop by my apartment tonight after she got off set from a movie she is filming and she's not here. And I try to call her cell and all I get is her answering service back in L.A.

What gives?

179 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:51:26am

re: #177 spidly

we're pretty sure he'll sell The US, Georgia, Ukraine, and Israel down the river, let Iran Have nukes and roll over Iraq, ignore the Norks while they go nuts, etc.. regardless of his theology so there's not much use in questioning it

Carter did much the same geopolitically and he was a good Southern Baptist. So you really can't win.

180 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:51:27am

re: #177 spidly

we're pretty sure he'll sell The US, Georgia, Ukraine, and Israel down the river, let Iran Have nukes and roll over Iraq, ignore the Norks while they go nuts, etc.. regardless of his theology so there's not much use in questioning it

That sums it up. I'd rather target those issues then the religious ones.

181 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:53:00am

re: #178 Walter L. Newton

I'm really upset now. Selma Hayek was suppose to stop by my apartment tonight after she got off set from a movie she is filming and she's not here. And I try to call her cell and all I get is her answering service back in L.A.

What gives?

and we just have Danny Glover lurking around Portland

182 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:54:10am

re: #181 spidly

and we just have Danny Glover lurking around Portland

A really great actor, a really dumbsit moonbat of the highest order.

183 Nightwatch  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:54:28am

re: #171 Walter L. Newton


Damn ya, waiting for the witty repost and now seeing time heading for the O-Dark- One mark, work in less than 6 and a glass-o-red yet to be drained, your a fine player!

See you soon my friend.

Night lizards

184 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:55:01am

re: #181 spidly

and we just have Danny Glover lurking around Portland

Is he in town on a shoot or does he live there?

185 srb1976  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:55:29am

re: #178 Walter L. Newton

She's probably just mad that you're calling her Selma....I'm pretty sure it's Salma. You know how sensitive us girls get over things like that = )

186 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:55:31am

re: #180 Walter L. Newton

That sums it up. I'd rather target those issues then the religious ones.

Oh yeah, he'll coddle Chavez, cower before Putin, Prop up the Castros, destabilize Pakistan...

187 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:55:44am

re: #183 Nightwatch

Damn ya, waiting for the witty repost and now seeing time heading for the O-Dark- One mark, work in less than 6 and a glass-o-red yet to be drained, your a fine player! See you soon my friend. Night lizards

Yes, what he said!

188 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:55:49am

re: #184 Walter L. Newton

Is he in town on a shoot or does he live there?

he lives here

189 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:57:06am

re: #160 Mel Lono

You're both my heroes.

you're attempting to flatter the unflatterable...... after all Heroes are hard to find, but we can be heroes,
just for one day.

i was never a hero, but i was privileged enough to serve with some.

Scouts Out!

190 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:57:06am

re: #185 srb1976

She's probably just mad that you're calling her Selma....I'm pretty sure it's Salma. You know how sensitive us girls get over things like that = )

Shit, I thought her business card looked phony.

191 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:57:24am

re: #183 Nightwatch

Damn ya, waiting for the witty repost and now seeing time heading for the O-Dark- One mark, work in less than 6 and a glass-o-red yet to be drained, your a fine player!

See you soon my friend.

Night lizards

work'll be a blast tomorrow. Spew in a garbage can in the morning and go to it

192 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:58:00am

re: #188 spidly

he lives here

Isn't Portland where all the hippies finally ended up because they heard there were no jobs up there?

193 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:58:43am

Time for me to pack it in too. Thanks everyone for good conversation.

194 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:59:09am

re: #166 LeePro

Keyboard is not comfy pillow...

    ¦O ya-a-a-w-w-w-n-n-n

G'nite {good Lizards}!

/hugs on {red}!

/me throws myself in the pool to drown the cooties.

damn good thing it's still 94*!

(gotta love that solar cover! %-)

195 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:59:12am

re: #193 Moe Katz

Time for me to pack it in too. Thanks everyone for good conversation.

Night Moe.

196 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:59:46am

re: #192 Walter L. Newton

Isn't Portland where all the hippies finally ended up because they heard there were no jobs up there?

Those are the Eugene and Hood River Valley hippies. They came to Ken Kesey-land to grow dope, pick shrooms and cook up meth in the woods

197 Mel Lono  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:00:09am

re: #189 redc1c4

Not bad, got your six.

198 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:00:35am

re: #173 Moe Katz

Exactly. He is the prototypical red that lives under one's bed.

leave me outta this!

199 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:01:22am

re: #198 redc1c4

leave me outta this!

Come to think of it, you'd better be careful with that nic.

200 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:02:40am

re: #178 Walter L. Newton

I'm really upset now. Selma Hayek was suppose to stop by my apartment tonight after she got off set from a movie she is filming and she's not here. And I try to call her cell and all I get is her answering service back in L.A.

What gives?

i'll see if i can get her to post when she comes back with my refill.....

201 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:02:59am

re: #196 spidly

Those are the Eugene and Hood River Valley hippies. They came to Ken Kesey-land to grow dope, pick shrooms and cook up meth in the woods

And they hold all these mud festivals and run around neked. i have a friend of mine who visits some festival there once a year. Ya know, I'm a bit of a nut, and sometimes a little slut, but some of the dudes and ladies that he was taking pictures of, well, let's say just keep it behind the bushes folks.

202 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:03:56am

re: #200 redc1c4

i'll see if i can get her to post when she comes back with my refill.....

What is she refilling, your saline drip. LOL!

203 Mel Lono  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:06:01am

re: #189 redc1c4

Imagine Imagine there's no heroes. Neil has his faults, but he did vote for Reagan.

204 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:06:06am

re: #199 Moe Katz

Come to think of it, you'd better be careful with that nic.

"careful" is against my religious beliefs......

/such as they are %-)

205 srb1976  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:06:35am

Well, good night folks, i got off work 4 hours early, better use some of the time sleeping or else I'm not going to see Little man and Her Royal Stoutness much tomorrow

206 freedomplow  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:10:03am

re: #147 spidly

the Nuge could sneak into Pakistan, kill the whoe of the Taliban and stick an arrow in Osama's Eyball from 1000 yards...if he were still alive

60 million people are now free In Iraq and Afghanistan.
McCain and Palin should be shouting that from the roof tops.

The men and women that give their lives for this country are so awesome.
What kind of world would we live in if not for American Heroes?

Never again will we have a media that tells the public they died for nothing. That is so sick, so unconscionable.

They are all heroes. The media is trying to tell the public that they are not.
Yes You NBC and MSNBC. You are so disgusting.

Here is another Biden-Obama lie if anyone is counting.

NY Times Iraq Reporter Corrects Russert: 'American Troops Were Greeted as Liberators

207 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:10:38am

re: #201 Walter L. Newton

And they hold all these mud festivals and run around neked. i have a friend of mine who visits some festival there once a year. Ya know, I'm a bit of a nut, and sometimes a little slut, but some of the dudes and ladies that he was taking pictures of, well, let's say just keep it behind the bushes folks.

Oregon Country Fair

dope and naked people

when I was little it was just a granola event with Bob Rossian and New Yankee Workshop types. oldstyle blacksmith, SCA events.

208 IslandLibertarian  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:13:12am

'cause cyclops are not sexy............

Saudi Cleric Says Women Must Wear One-Eye Veil to Prevent 'Seduction'

cue Rod Serling

209 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:13:37am

re: #207 spidly

Oregon Country Fair

dope and naked people

when I was little it was just a granola event with Bob Rossian and New Yankee Workshop types. oldstyle blacksmith, SCA events.

Yep, that's it.

210 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:14:12am

Who is this shill Michael Hehnhenn, who wrote the AP article about Sarah Palin's bringing up the Obama/Ayers connection?

Instead of just reporting what she said and Obama's reaction, we get this editorializing straight off Campaign Obama's talking points list:

While it is known that Obama and Ayers live in the same Chicago neighborhood, served on a charity board together and had a fleeting political connection, it's a stretch of any reading of the public record to say the pair ever palled around. And it's simply wrong to suggest that they were associated while Ayers was committing terrorist acts.

What a scumbag. I'm trying to find his e-mail address, no luck so far.

211 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:21:20am

re: #203 Mel Lono

Imagine Imagine there's no heroes. Neil has his faults, but he did vote for Reagan.

this is more my style for Neil..... i've gotta get a copy of "Hot August Night", but i think just about everyone here will get behind this song from Super Bowl XXI.....

212 freedomplow  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:21:21am

If the McCain campaign doesn't read LGF and the comments, you are not on top of the pulse of America.

213 Mel Lono  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:22:53am

re: #211 redc1c4

this is more my style for Neil..... i've gotta get a copy of "Hot August Night", but i think just about everyone here will get behind this song from Super Bowl XXI.....

somewhere, in storage, I've got HAN on vinyl.

214 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:24:54am

re: #210 Tigger2005

Who is this shill Michael Hehnhenn, who wrote the AP article about Sarah Palin's bringing up the Obama/Ayers connection?

Instead of just reporting what she said and Obama's reaction, we get this editorializing straight off Campaign Obama's talking points list:

What a scumbag. I'm trying to find his e-mail address, no luck so far.

gotta better spelling of his name? this one seems garbled

215 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:25:46am

re: #213 Mel Lono

somewhere, in storage, I've got HAN on vinyl.

don't remember if i've got the LP: it'd be at the P's HA, but even a CD would be nice......

216 Mel Lono  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:27:06am

Oilfinger

I know I'm not first, but I think you had to know.

217 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:27:28am

re: #212 freedomplow

If the McCain campaign doesn't read LGF and the comments, you are not on top of the pulse of America.

if the McCain campaign read this, and other, similar, blogs, and *acted* on the contents thereof, they wouldn't be in the situation they're in right now.

218 Mel Lono  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:29:20am

re: #215 redc1c4

don't remember if i've got the LP: it'd be at the P's HA, but even a CD would be nice......

My 16 yr old son has an affliction affection for Kearth and Ipods. I'll set him on the trail. I started him with Hotel California and look where it got me.

219 kansas  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:29:38am

Dick Morris says the new polls show McCain lost the first debate and that suspending his campaign was disastrous. His analysis of the Electoral map one month out shows an Obama landslide.

McCain is starting to remind me of Mohammed Ali in his last fights. I always thought he was roping a dope. But he just couldn't pull the trigger. We found out that he couldn't pull the trigger anymore.

220 Sailor5116  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:31:54am

Conservatives should take Obama's advice and 'get in the faces of undecided voters' with facts.

Link to original image. Pass it on to everyone you know, post in blogs. We have to force this PUNK to answer for this.

farm4.static.flickr.com/3211/2913717263_8e8326076a _o.jpg

Please visit the original image and pass it along to everyone you know

221 kansas  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:33:25am

re: #39 Moe Katz

Anybody miss EIDE_interface yet?


Last posts of his I read somebody ought to go check out his house, see if there are any bad smells or the mail is piling up outside.

222 Mel Lono  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:33:44am

re: #219 kansas

Dick Morris says the new polls show McCain lost the first debate and that suspending his campaign was disastrous. His analysis of the Electoral map one month out shows an Obama landslide.

McCain is starting to remind me of Mohammed Ali in his last fights. I always thought he was roping a dope. But he just couldn't pull the trigger. We found out that he couldn't pull the trigger anymore.

I feel like John Wayne in "The Searchers", hopelessly outnumbered. Nothing to live for...

223 Spirit93  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:36:30am

re: #219 kansas

Dick Morris says the new polls show McCain lost the first debate and that suspending his campaign was disastrous. His analysis of the Electoral map one month out shows an Obama landslide.


He claims to know what's going to happen a month from now based on some polls? Please.
BTW, got a linky for that?

224 Spirit93  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:36:48am

re: #220 Sailor5116
Linky no worky.

225 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:37:58am

re: #214 redc1c4

gotta better spelling of his name? this one seems garbled

Sorry, it's KUHNHENN, duh. I was searching under the correct name, though.

226 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:39:53am

Just got here- did I miss anything?

227 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:40:47am

re: #218 Mel Lono

My 16 yr old son has an affliction affection for Kearth and Ipods. I'll set him on the trail. I started him with Hotel California and look where it got me.

too bad he'll never get to know Huggy Boy.....

/back when radio was full of choices.

228 Mel Lono  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:41:21am

re: #226 Fenway_Nation

Just got here- did I miss anything?

Yeah, Cubs lost.

229 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:41:51am

re: #222 Mel Lono

I feel like John Wayne in "The Searchers", hopelessly outnumbered. Nothing to live for...

Uh, how about the millions and millions of other people who are going to be voting for McCain/Palin? Aren't they worth living for? How about fighting for your country? Isn't that worth living for?

I am SO glad Churchill and Roosevelt didn't have the "give up" attitude of some people in here, when the armies of Hell were surging over the face of the Earth and everything seemed bleak and hopeless.

The defenders of Stalingrad ate shoe leather to survive.

For f*cks sake, buck up!

230 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:41:55am

re: #220 Sailor5116

green smoke, anyone?

nice 2nd poast there buddy.

231 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:42:24am

re: #228 Mel Lono

Yeah, Cubs lost.


Let me clairfy. Did I miss anything out of the ordinary?

232 Mel Lono  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:43:00am

re: #227 redc1c4

too bad he'll never get to know Huggy Boy.....

/back when radio was full of choices.

Yep. KHJ was for us white folks.

233 Temujin  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:45:05am

re: #225 Tigger2005

The name is Jim Kuhnhenn ; that doesn't help much when searching, though.

234 Mel Lono  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:45:06am

re: #229 Tigger2005

Uh, how about the millions and millions of other people who are going to be voting for McCain/Palin? Aren't they worth living for? How about fighting for your country? Isn't that worth living for?

I am SO glad Churchill and Roosevelt didn't have the "give up" attitude of some people in here, when the armies of Hell were surging over the face of the Earth and everything seemed bleak and hopeless.

The defenders of Stalingrad ate shoe leather to survive.

For f*cks sake, buck up!

yellow* not doing this tonight.

235 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:45:20am

re: #232 Mel Lono

Yep. KHJ was for us white folks.

and they played all the hits! Boss Radio.............. down in the Goldmine.

236 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:52:11am

re: #229 Tigger2005

Uh, how about the millions and millions of other people who are going to be voting for McCain/Palin? Aren't they worth living for? How about fighting for your country? Isn't that worth living for?

I am SO glad Churchill and Roosevelt didn't have the "give up" attitude of some people in here, when the armies of Hell were surging over the face of the Earth and everything seemed bleak and hopeless.

The defenders of Stalingrad ate shoe leather to survive.

For f*cks sake, buck up!

It's not OVER!

237 TheMatrix31  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:54:58am

Any new national polls post-VP debate?

238 Mel Lono  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:57:37am

re: #236 spidly

It's not OVER!

It's my party And this could get ugly.

239 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:59:50am

I have this sudden craving for fruitcup.

240 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:00:01am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet -------------------------->
Help yourselves!

241 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:00:22am

Fenway! :-)

242 Mel Lono  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:01:12am

re: #241 littleoldlady

Morning maam. Hope you're not Cub fan.

243 Temujin  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:02:08am

re: #225 Tigger2005

James Kuhnhenn appears to have been employed as a correspondent for Knight-Ridder, presumably(?) prior to AP :

[Link: www.zoominfo.com...]

244 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:03:10am

re: #242 Mel Lono

Mel! :-)

Nope. Phillies.

/not much better, is it?

245 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:03:16am
246 Temujin  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:03:27am

re: #240 littleoldlady

Good moning, LoL. And thanks!

247 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:04:02am

Temujin! :-)

248 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:04:24am

re: #238 Mel Lono

It's my party And this could get ugly.

well damn

249 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:05:17am

re: #240 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet -------------------------->
Help yourselves!

so, how do you like the taste tonight?

250 Mel Lono  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:07:19am

re: #244 littleoldlady

Mel! :-)

Nope. Phillies.

/not much better, is it?

rooting for you, and the Devil Rays, except I'm a NL guy and got nowhere to go.

251 Mel Lono  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:08:29am

re: #248 spidly

my son knows who did that one., bless him

252 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:09:24am

re: #249 redc1c4

red! :-)

Addictive! :-)

re: #250 Mel Lono

I would say, "please don't jinx my team" except that around here just breathing does that. ;-)

253 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:10:51am

re: #244 littleoldlady

I'm glad that particular series is gonna last a little bit longer for hardly any other reason than that I can listen to Bob Uecker do the play-by-play on XM.

/Plus Gabe Kapler (as a Brewer) autographed my Red Sox 2004 Sports Illustrated cover earlier this year. I also caught C.C. Sabathia on his way into the ballpark last year and he signed a baseball for me.

254 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:14:35am

re: #253 Fenway_Nation

You're a real fan, Fenway. Me, I know things are going well when I'm called upon to make taco dip for a crowd.

;-)

Anyway, I hope we at least get past this series, mostly because my little brother - a raging Phillies fan since he was 5 or 6 - is about due for a feel-good season.

255 armaros  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:20:48am

Watch this clip of a 2004 Congressional hearing into F/F shady accounting tricks.

256 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:21:36am

re: #253 Fenway_Nation

I'm glad that particular series is gonna last a little bit longer for hardly any other reason than that I can listen to Bob Uecker do the play-by-play on XM.

/Plus Gabe Kapler (as a Brewer) autographed my Red Sox 2004 Sports Illustrated cover earlier this year. I also caught C.C. Sabathia on his way into the ballpark last year and he signed a baseball for me.

i got Lee Ving's autograph last sunday............ %-)

257 Mel Lono  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:23:56am

Night all. Go Chargers!

258 Attaboid  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:24:44am

Yummm! Fruitcup. Just what I needed.
Thanks Little Old Lady!

259 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:26:19am

Attaboid! :-)

Would you eat it in a box?
Would you eat it with a fox?

260 Attaboid  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:27:24am

A hint of Cinnamon

261 Attaboid  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:28:36am

And how about some lox?

262 armaros  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:29:36am
263 Temujin  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:31:31am

Thoughtcrime.

Liberals Rethink Free Speech.

Any restrictions on speech -- real or imagined -- were once inevitably deemed to have a "chilling effect" on people who would otherwise exercise their First Amendment rights if they weren't so frightened by the possibility of running afoul of the law. Claims of a "chilling effect" were the most reliable weapon in the American Civil Liberties Union's absolutist campaign against, say, even the most common-sensical laws against obscenity.

264 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:34:51am

re: #261 Attaboid

And how about some lox?

Why not?

265 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:34:52am

re: #254 littleoldlady


Game two of that Angels/Red Sox series is exactly what October baseball should look like (especially the Boston winning part). Boston gets out to an early 4-1 lead, adds to it a little later on but despite only one extra-bases hit the whole game, the Angels claw back to tie the game 5-5 late.

In the top of the 9th, Big Papi hammers a ball off the Angels closer (Frankie Rodriguez) that barely stays in the park for a double and is lifted for a pinch runner, Coco Crisp (no, really- that's his name). Rodriguez throws to second and just misses getting Crisp thrown out leading off the base (he dove back in, and if the shortstop had blocked the plate like a catcher, Crisp would've been out). The Rodriguez gives up a two-run homer to Sox right-fielder J.D. Drew that initially looked like it was going to drop or hit the wall for a base-hit.

I actually caught Game One in person, which was a pretty good game (7 complete innings and 120 pitches of one-run baseball for cancer-survivor John Lester) but I was at a bar for Game Two and people who I know for a fact don't like baseball were watching, simply riveted and trying to figure out what was gonna happen next.

266 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:39:12am

re: #256 redc1c4

Cool- what did he sign?

/or should I even ask

267 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:42:15am

re: #263 Temujin

Thoughtcrime.

Liberals Rethink Free Speech.

Any restrictions on speech -- real or imagined -- were once inevitably deemed to have a "chilling effect" on people who would otherwise exercise their First Amendment rights if they weren't so frightened by the possibility of running afoul of the law. Claims of a "chilling effect" were the most reliable weapon in the American Civil Liberties Union's absolutist campaign against, say, even the most common-sensical laws against obscenity.

Part of the challenge of taking on liberals today is that whatever you accuse them of, in their own minds the evil conservative establishment has already done it and worse, beginning at least in 1963 with the assassination of Kennedy (although many of them probably go back further) and going forward to the Patriot Act, which of course gave the Bush Administration the power to tap YOUR phone conversations on a whim and take you away in a black helicopter to a secret concentration camp and be waterboarded for saying anything negative about the administration or the war. They really believe all this, so, anything goes in the attempt to bring down the Man.

268 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:43:52am

re: #259 littleoldlady

Attaboid! :-)

Would you eat it in a box?
Would you eat it with a fox?

that depends on which fox the box belongs to.......

/white smoke

269 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:44:54am

re: #268 redc1c4

*smack!*

/Mandy mode

270 Temujin  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:48:31am

re: #267 Tigger2005

Yes, indeed.

I believe the term that a psychiatrist would use is projection.

271 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:50:41am

Ok, I'm listening to a replay of this past Friday's "Brian and Judge Napolitano" radio show, which is a Fox show.

I haven't heard the show in a year or more, but the last time I looked, I thought Napolitano was basicly a conservative.

Well, both of them are trashing Palin in the debate, trashing McCain for voting for the bailout, and have had two Obama spin doctors on tooting Obama's horn.

What the F' gives?

272 Attaboid  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:53:04am

re: #271 Walter L. Newton

They are afraid.

273 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:53:38am

re: #266 Fenway_Nation

Cool- what did he sign?

/or should I even ask

we were back stage, so i got the stage schedule from the guy running the sound board, and got Lee & his band, including Sam Bolle, who was in AO previously, to sign it, as well as Mike Palm who drew a cartoon and signed, plus the obligatory scribble from Nick Razor of GFI.... i also scrounged a copy of the AO set list, and HRH got her denim shirt signed by most of the same people.... Dr. Know left right after their set, but then again, they sucked, so it's just as well.

punk's not dead: it just smells that way! %-)

274 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:54:15am

re: #269 littleoldlady

*smack!*

/Mandy mode

thank you..... may i have another?

275 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:57:11am

Enough Already!

I have just about had it with the conservative punditry and their plaintive wailings about the unfairness of the self-proclaimed "mainstream media"...[.]

Hope springs eternal in the conservative breast that we are on the verge of an imminent breakthrough: just one more fact laid out, just one more liberal smear blown out of the water and the scales will fall off the liberal journalists' eyes. They will see the light and embark upon the path of righteousness and objectivity. This hope is as baseless as it is stupid -- akin to blowing one's lunch money on lottery tickets in the fervent belief that this time, finally, one will hit the jackpot.

Mornin folks.

276 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:58:56am

re: #274 redc1c4

thank you..... may i have another?

Of course you may!

277 Geepers  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:59:40am

Morning fruitcup.

uh ... I mean, littleoldlady.

278 Attaboid  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 2:59:47am

I bought a lottery ticket last night.
/I'm a sucker for stats.

279 Oldasdirt  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:00:15am

Hey lizards,Over the past few hours been looking at videos,from C-Span,to house hearings,and news from the past two years.
Now i have allways known that democrats lie,but after all this i see how good they lie,and do it with totaly straight faces.
Conclusion-They dont need to be voted out.They need to be eraticated.
Oh,,and good early morn to you guys.

280 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:00:21am

aboo! :-)

I dunno...I almost always play the Powerball.

/hope springs eternal

281 Temujin  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:01:26am

re: #276 littleoldlady

Oliver Twisted ?

282 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:02:41am

Geepers! :-)

I've been called fruitcake fruitcup before. ;-)

283 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:04:06am

Oldasdirt! :-)

Temujin! :-)

/been called twisted, too
//I see we have Variation on a Theme today...

284 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:07:34am

re: #280 littleoldlady

aboo! :-)

I dunno...I almost always play the Powerball.

/hope springs eternal

the odds worse than playing the lottery are to not play at all.

you go from slim to none at all.

/science!

285 Geepers  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:08:42am

aboo-Hoo-Hoo (##275),

They will see the light and embark upon the path of righteousness and objectivity.

Completely misses the mark. I don't think that's actually the objective at all as nobody thinks these died-in-the-wool liberals are going to change, rather it's to discredit them as journalists and expose them for what they are. Which, if you consider sales and respect for profession numbers, is working quite nicely.

286 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:09:14am

re: #279 Oldasdirt

Hey lizards,Over the past few hours been looking at videos,from C-Span,to house hearings,and news from the past two years.
Now i have allways known that democrats lie,but after all this i see how good they lie,and do it with totaly straight faces.
Conclusion-They dont need to be voted out.They need to be eraticated.
Oh,,and good early morn to you guys.

how about we just put them all somewhere nice, and let them try all their theories on themselves, instead of on the rest of us?

/just a thought

287 Geepers  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:17:00am

redc1c4 (#284),

the odds worse than playing the lottery are to not play at all.

you go from slim to none at all.

Yeah, them same for all the "I'm not voting for Republicans any more because they don't give me what I want" crowd.

288 Oldasdirt  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:20:09am

I thought that after Bill O's exposing Barney Frank,and U-tube with all the Dem's that said back since 1995 that FM/FM were doing fine,and it has to be plain to the people that the Dem's are solely responsible for this crash that the whip would come down on them.
Then i hear that a committee will be set up to investigate the improprieties,headed by,Barney Frank and Stretch Pelosi.
My mind just spins thinking about all the injustice these people have brought.
And now like a cat in a sand box,with the help of the MSM,they will cover it up.
This is just not justice.

289 shiplord kirel  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:20:24am

Sheesh!

In reporting Sarah Palin's statements about the Obama-Ayers connection, MSNBC's morning goofball dismissively remarked that Ayers and Obama had merely served on the same board of directors some years ago. The network failed to mention the personal friendship of many years standing, the closeness of their business relationship, that Ayers was in fact Obama's boss at one time, or that its was in Ayers's house that Obama actually launched his campaign.

Now, MSNBC has every right to support the candidate of its choice (and Obama is the media choice in every sense of the term). They do not, however, have the moral right to lie to the American people to advance that cause, nor do they have any moral or logical basis for claiming to be an objective source of news and analysis.

We will be in unknown territory when Obama attempts to revive the misnamed "fairness doctrine" as a payoff for MSM support. This, of course, will be a totalitarian censorship regime, aimed at suppressing, not simply opposition to liberalism, but every alternative to and dissent against the standard cultural model of the media-industrial complex. Many dictators have imposed such censorship in the past, or do today, but there is no precedent for a censorship regime in which the commercial media themselves are the arbiters and controlling authority of that regime. Look at who these people are; monsters of vanity and ego, ruthlessly greedy, pathologically arrogant, isolated, ignorant in many cases of the most basic facts about the subjects they pretend to report.
We will be in the hands of devils if they gain the final measure of power for which this campaign sets the stage.

290 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:20:25am

re: #284 redc1c4

Forget the odds. I'm counting on LUCK. :-/

291 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:27:40am

Isn't it time for Stanley Kurtz to be out there giving interviews?

/at least FOXnews should recognize that HE is the one who has done the most research on the Ayers/Obama connection.

292 yah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:28:25am

221 kansas 10/05/08 1:33:25 am reply quote 0

re: #39 Moe Katz

Anybody miss EIDE_interface yet?

I have not seen him, but I can't say I miss him.

293 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:29:58am

re: #39 Moe Katz

Anybody miss EIDE_interface yet?

No but, if I do, I'll just get a hammer and smack my knees.

294 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:34:05am

I wonder if the ESPN sports-droid Lee Corso feels like an idiot this morning?
Nah, a fool is never ashamed of his own folly.

He picked Kansas State over Texas Tech as his "upset special of the week" on the grounds that Texas Tech is "overrated." K-State fans picked this up and chanted "Overrated! Overrated!" as Tech players entered the field yesterday.

Final: Texas Tech 58, K-State 28.

And it wasn't even as close as this lop-sided score would indicate (Tech had their 58 points a few seconds into the fourth quarter).

Perhaps Corso can follow so many other sportscasters (Bryant Gumbel, Keith Olbermann, et al) and become a lefty demogogue.

295 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:34:58am

re: #293 MandyManners

No but, if I do, I'll just get a hammer and smack my knees.

Kinda early in the morning to be doing that. Morning Mandy, thanks for those Soros links.

296 yah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:37:39am
Walter L. Newton 10/05/08 2:50:41 am reply quote 0

Ok, I'm listening to a replay of this past Friday's "Brian and Judge Napolitano" radio show, which is a Fox show.

I haven't heard the show in a year or more, but the last time I looked, I thought Napolitano was basicly a conservative.

Well, both of them are trashing Palin in the debate, trashing McCain for voting for the bailout, and have had two Obama spin doctors on tooting Obama's horn.

What the F' gives?

I noticed this about 2 weeks ago - that FOX appears to be on Obama's camp. Yesterday they reported the Obama/Ayers connection was "tenuous."

297 Spirit93  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:37:44am

re: #292 yah

221 kansas 10/05/08 1:33:25 am reply quote 0

I have not seen him, but I can't say I miss him.

EIDE got the stik.

298 Geepers  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:39:32am

yah (#292),

#108 Charles :: Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 9:30:24 am
EIDE_Interface is banned. Good grief. Reading that thread was like having a root canal without novocaine.

Yes. And as someone who's had four root canals in the last four months I can attest to that.

299 yah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:40:35am

re: #297 Spirit93

EIDE got the stik.

Smile. Big smile.

300 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:41:52am

re: #295 Walter L. Newton

Kinda early in the morning to be doing that. Morning Mandy, thanks for those Soros links.

Did you find some good stuff?

301 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:44:24am
302 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:46:50am

re: #301 MandyManners

It was "just coffee".

303 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:48:21am

BOULDER, Colo. - Someone tossed a firebomb into a fraternity house about a block from the University of Colorado, setting off a brawl in a nearby alley that sent one man to the hospital, police said.

The firebomb early Friday caused no injuries or significant damage, and residents had put the blaze out by the time firefighters arrived, police spokeswoman Sarah Huntley said.

Huntley said it was probably not a hate crime, but more likely stemmed from a feud between the fraternity and residents of a nearby apartment or with another fraternity. No arrests had been made, and police had no individual suspects.

SNIP

304 redc1c4  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:48:48am

0400? (more or less %-) wtf am i thinking?

hasta, y'all.............. L8r!

305 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:49:20am

re: #302 littleoldlady

It was "just coffee".

In 2002 the Woods Fund made a grant to Northwestern University Law School's Children and Family Justice Center, where Ayers' wife, Bernardine Dohrn, was employed.

306 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:51:43am

It was "just coffee", I tells ya, Mandy!

/the Obama campaign said it, so it must be true

307 yah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:52:41am

The Obama/Ayers connection by itseslf is not that important. But when
added to his Pastor's hate speech, Michelle's "not proud of America," no hand on his heart for the pledge, no flag pin, statements about our troops killing civilians, and such, anyone can see a that Obama does not Love this country - well at least I can.

308 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:54:42am

re: #306 littleoldlady

It was "just coffee", I tells ya, Mandy!

/the Obama campaign said it, so it must be true

I wonder which Starbuck's blend is Ayers' favorite.

309 Geepers  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:57:54am

yah (#307),

Obama does not Love this country

And who could love a country filled to the brim with Constitution-shredding Republican oligarchs, evil neocon warmongers and gun-totting racist hickbillys?

310 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:59:13am

re: #308 MandyManners

I wonder which Starbuck's blend is Ayers' favorite.

Don't know about Ayers, but the O's is Mocha Grande Latteliette.


Good morning everyone!

311 DeerMusic  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:59:46am

A question for which I have not found an answer: as the situation in Iraq increasingly improved -- taking away an important issue for Democrats -- the economy went increasingly into decline. Has anyone speculated whether someone like Soros, with his billions, could have had a hand in some of the key factors (such as oil speculation) affecting the economy? It just seemed timed too well to be a mere coincidence.

312 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 3:59:59am

re: #300 MandyManners

Did you find some good stuff?

I was looking for the links to pass on to someone else. Over the months, I've read most of these articles, but I never bookmarked them.

You were a big help so I could send this person an email with all the links.

Ya know, the bottom line, between Franks, Soros, Dodd and a bunch of other idiots, there really should be arrests made. If there hasn't been crimes commited in all this mess, then I don't know nuthin' and I must be brain dead.

Or else, these gumba's need a soprano's visit.

313 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:00:09am

re: #309 Geepers

yah (#307),


And who could love a country filled to the brim with Constitution-shredding Republican oligarchs, evil neocon warmongers and gun-totting racist hickbillys?

You forgot the Bible-thumping book-burners and uncouth Texas Tech fans.

314 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:01:31am

re: #311 DeerMusic

A question for which I have not found an answer: as the situation in Iraq increasingly improved -- taking away an important issue for Democrats -- the economy went increasingly into decline. Has anyone speculated whether someone like Soros, with his billions, could have had a hand in some of the key factors (such as oil speculation) affecting the economy? It just seemed timed too well to be a mere coincidence.

He didn't set up the rickety system of subprime mortgages but, I wouldn't be suprised if he speculated with oil.

315 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:01:53am

re: #303 MandyManners

BOULDER, Colo. - Someone tossed a firebomb into a fraternity house about a block from the University of Colorado, setting off a brawl in a nearby alley that sent one man to the hospital, police said. SNIP

The report is very accurate. There is no hate anywhere in Boulder. It's all gumdrops and flowing chocolate rivers.

/

316 yah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:02:34am

re: #309 Geepers

Plus all of us that cling to our religion - disgusting!

317 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:02:39am

re: #312 Walter L. Newton

I was looking for the links to pass on to someone else. Over the months, I've read most of these articles, but I never bookmarked them.

You were a big help so I could send this person an email with all the links.

Ya know, the bottom line, between Franks, Soros, Dodd and a bunch of other idiots, there really should be arrests made. If there hasn't been crimes commited in all this mess, then I don't know nuthin' and I must be brain dead.

Or else, these gumba's need a soprano's visit.

Wasn't Soros recently convicted of something in France?

318 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:03:18am

gettinby! :-)

re: #313 Shiplord Kirel

You forgot "bitter".

/proud Pennsylvanian

319 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:04:30am

re: #317 MandyManners

Wasn't Soros recently convicted of something in France?

Yes, insider trading, verdict upheld after appeal TWO years ago.

[Link: blogs.wsj.com...]

320 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:05:12am

re: #315 Walter L. Newton

The report is very accurate. There is no hate anywhere in Boulder. It's all gumdrops and flowing chocolate rivers.

/

A few years ago, there were some news stories about the Boulder police accepting public reports for a database of people who had made "insensitive" remarks or told racial or sexist jokes. The stories disappeared into the MSM memory hole.

321 DeerMusic  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:05:33am

re: #317 MandyManners
Yes.

Insider trading. And so far, a French appeals court rejected his argument to overturn the conviction.

322 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:06:18am

{littleoldlady!}

It's not just being judged by the company we keep anymore.

/I like being judged by which politicians hate me. :)

323 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:09:41am

Great...just friggin great. Our primary ally{sigh}. War on Taliban cannot be won, says army chief

Britain's most senior military commander in Afghanistan has warned that the war against the Taliban cannot be won. Brigadier Mark Carleton-Smith said the British public should not expect a “decisive military victory” but should be prepared for a possible deal with the Taliban.

Yea....Let's Make A Deal! I mean, the Paki's deals with the Taliban work out so well and all.

324 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:12:50am

re: #320 Shiplord Kirel

A few years ago, there were some news stories about the Boulder police accepting public reports for a database of people who had made "insensitive" remarks or told racial or sexist jokes. The stories disappeared into the MSM memory hole.

I've told this story before, but about three years ago, as my 25 year career as a computer programmer was going the way of outsourcing, I was still working some short term contract stuff.

Almost all of my assignments for about a year were in Boulder. I went to work for this call center (you know, the jerks that call you 18 times a day to sell you extended car warrenties). They had about 40 employees.

The owner of this joint actually made me stand in his office, my arms extended cruxiform style, as he waved bottles of herbal remedies over my body.

He told me he could read my aura, and when he got the right reaction, he would know what supplements I should be including in my diet.

Now, this space cadet was not selling anything. He had a boat load of these supplements in store for the employees.

I let that little Oprah moment slide, but the first staff meeting I went to, he had us all hold hands and start chanting some stuff.

Needless to say, I was gone in a month. And this was a 3-4 million dollar a year business, not some hole in the wall.

Geeessshhh.

325 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:13:46am
326 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:13:48am

Next, let's examine Obama's claim that his connection to Ayers and Dohrn is "tenuous" and "phony." Is it phony that Obama's political coming-out party in the mid-1990s was hosted by Ayers and Dohrn? What about the panel discussions in which Ayers and Obama both took part—that were organized by Michelle Obama? Tenuous? I suppose the goodbye party for prominent Israel basher and Arafat apologist Rashid Khalidi, attended by Obama, Ayers and Dohrn, is also unworthy of discussion. That Khalidi himself hosted a fundraiser for Obama's first Congressional campaign must be completely irrelevant, too.

Then there's the pesky fact that Obama and Ayers served together on the board of the Woods Fund for three years—and continued to do so even after Ayers was quoted in the New York Times fondly recalling his days as a bomber, and despairing that he hadn't "done more." (This quote, the Obama fact sheet reminds us, comes from an interview that just happened to be published on 9/11—Ayers had made the incendiary remarks earlier. I don't know about you, but that makes me feel a lot better). The funds Obama and Ayers helped control at the Woods Foundation funneled thousands of dollars into both Khalidi's organization and the now-infamous Trinity United Church of Christ. Irrelevant, phony distractions? So what if the Obama campaign's top strategist concedes that the Senator's relationship with the terrorist is "friendly"? I apologize for even devoting this much attention to such tenuous and unimportant information.

SNIP

327 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:14:02am

re: #323 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Great...just friggin great. Our primary ally{sigh}. War on Taliban cannot be won, says army chief


Yea....Let's Make A Deal! I mean, the Paki's deals with the Taliban work out so well and all.

This defeatist putz Carleton-Smith should be sacked. We have already offered the Taliban a deal: Lay down your arms, stop harboring terrorists and oppressing women, and we will stop killing you. They didn't take it.

328 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:14:39am

re: #319 Walter L. Newton

Yes, insider trading, verdict upheld after appeal TWO years ago.

[Link: blogs.wsj.com...]

re: #321 DeerMusic

Yes.

Insider trading. And so far, a French appeals court rejected his argument to overturn the conviction.

Something was niggling at the back of my mind.

329 DeerMusic  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:15:48am

re: #323 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Sure, making deals with the Taliban sounds great! After all, could people who murder indiscriminately not be trusted to tell the truth and keep their agreements and treaties?

Clear thinkers know the answer...

330 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:15:51am

re: #328 MandyManners

Something was niggling at the back of my mind.

You can't use the "n" word? Gosh, my sensibilities!

331 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:15:57am

re: #322 gettinby

Thanks to OJ I believe in KARMA.

332 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:17:05am

re: #319 Walter L. Newton

Yes, insider trading, verdict upheld after appeal TWO years ago.

[Link: blogs.wsj.com...]

I wonder if the ECHR will over-turn it. Is he allowed to travel to France?

333 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:18:52am

re: #330 Walter L. Newton

You can't use the "n" word? Gosh, my sensibilities!

Should I turn myself in to the Boulder police?

334 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:19:27am

re: #332 MandyManners

I wonder if the ECHR will over-turn it. Is he allowed to travel to France?

Err, ok, over my head on this, what is the ECHR, can you eat it?

335 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:20:27am

re: #325 gettinby

I could just shoot myself!

Countrywide Home Loans filed for foreclosure last year, and Polk's home was sold to Fannie Mae at a sheriff's auction in June

Dodd's good buddies?

336 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:20:35am
337 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:21:04am

re: #334 Walter L. Newton

Err, ok, over my head on this, what is the ECHR, can you eat it?

European Court of Human Rights.

338 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:22:40am

re: #337 MandyManners

European Court of Human Rights.

That's an oxymoron. Shame on you!

339 DeerMusic  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:23:36am

re: #337 MandyManners

Are they still allowed to use the word "rights" in Europe?

340 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:24:04am
341 yah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:24:31am

re: #325 gettinby

Fannie Mae announced later Friday that it would dismiss its foreclosure action, forgive Polk's mortgage and allow her to return to the Akron home where she's lived since 1970

I really feel for the poor woman, but I wonder how many other peoples mortgages will be forgiven. Judges can now decide how much interest and the balance of your mortgage. The MSM are calling all these poor people who bought houses with zero downs "victims." I have been struggling with my adjustable rate mortgage and I can see it going up again to cover for all these "victims."

342 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:24:41am

re: #327 Shiplord Kirel

Yea...and, imagine that, they're a little upset: Officials say Taliban mad over alleged US strike

The Taliban are unusually angry about the latest suspected U.S. missile strike in Pakistan, a sign a top militant may have died in the attack, officials and residents said Sunday amid reports the death toll rose by two to 24.

ahhhh...so solly.

343 Born Again Republican  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:25:04am

re: #311 DeerMusic

A question for which I have not found an answer: as the situation in Iraq increasingly improved -- taking away an important issue for Democrats -- the economy went increasingly into decline. Has anyone speculated whether someone like Soros, with his billions, could have had a hand in some of the key factors (such as oil speculation) affecting the economy? It just seemed timed too well to be a mere coincidence.

I was wondering the same when I came across this great read from American Thinker. You decide.

Stategy of Manufactured Crisis

344 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:28:23am

re: #331 littleoldlady

Thanks to OJ I believe in KARMA.

The "good news" of this last week's news cycle? (Heh.)

re: #335 MandyManners

Countrywide Home Loans filed for foreclosure last year, and Polk's home was sold to Fannie Mae at a sheriff's auction in June

Dodd's good buddies?

Loan enough to a senior who owns their home free and clear so that the payment is at least 50% of their net fixed income (on a short-term ARM)...wait in the shadows to foreclose and re-sell at a very nice profit. Happened a few years ago to my aunt-in-law in Phoenix.

345 DeerMusic  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:29:21am

re: #343 Born Again Republican

Thank you B.A.R. I'll read it as soon as I return from Dreamland (4:30 am here). Eyelids slamming shut now... 'night all.

346 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:31:33am

re: #338 Walter L. Newton

That's an oxymoron. Shame on you!

I like buzzsawmonkey's opinions about human rights v. civil rights.

re: #339 DeerMusic

Are they still allowed to use the word "rights" in Europe?

Only those that the bureaucrats allow.

347 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:31:36am

re: #323 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Great...just friggin great. Our primary ally{sigh}. War on Taliban cannot be won, says army chief

Yea....Let's Make A Deal! I mean, the Paki's deals with the Taliban work out so well and all.

"Well, I say, the last time we chaps tried to mess with Afghan-ih-staan... well, read your Kipling."

348 USA  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:31:38am

Good Morning Lizards!
Can't wait to see who Palin eats for breakfast today.

349 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:33:17am

re: #341 yah

I really feel for the poor woman, but I wonder how many other peoples mortgages will be forgiven. Judges can now decide how much interest and the balance of your mortgage. The MSM are calling all these poor people who bought houses with zero downs "victims." I have been struggling with my adjustable rate mortgage and I can see it going up again to cover for all these "victims."

Not fun at all.

Each of us with a mortgage had every opportunity to really, really look at what we were getting ourselves into...yet...

HOW MANY BORROWERS ACTUALLY READ THE DOCUMENTS?!

/Obviously, from the article, one of the conditions of the bailout is that we can just shoot ourselves (wound only) and have it forgiven.

//not an option for me...I'm a coward! LOL

350 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:33:30am
351 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:34:21am

re: #348 USA

Good Morning Lizards!
Can't wait to see who Palin eats for breakfast today.

Palin plans campaign strategery with a group of, er, right-wing cultural activists.

352 formercorpsman  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:35:22am

re: #324 Walter L. Newton

Walter, I am sorry to hear that. IT sucks huge to have to go through what you did, (the whole bowl of wax that is) and I am someone who is always critical of the herbal answer to everything.

Man, if that were me, I would have had some fun with him.

Allergic reactions, burning pee, insomnia....

353 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:35:37am

re: #351 Shiplord Kirel

That most be the Society For Creative Norsemenism.

354 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:36:11am

must, PIMF

356 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:37:13am

re: #350 taxfreekiller

STOP MAKING SENSE!

/you're scaring me!

357 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:37:55am

re: #344 gettinby

Loan enough to a senior who owns their home free and clear so that the payment is at least 50% of their net fixed income (on a short-term ARM)...wait in the shadows to foreclose and re-sell at a very nice profit. Happened a few years ago to my aunt-in-law in Phoenix.

When will those ads go away on television?

What about a reverse mortgage?

358 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:38:23am
359 Luigi  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:38:42am

Traction.

From CNN..

Palin hits Obama for 'terrorist' connection
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Here's the AP instructing America in the wrongness of the charge:

[Link: ap.google.com...]

Palin says Obama 'palling around' with terrorists

By JIM KUHNHENN – 8 hours ago

CARSON, Calif., (AP) — Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin on Saturday accused Democrat Barack Obama of "palling around with terrorists" because of an association with a former '60s radical, stepping up an effort to portray Obama as unacceptable to American voters.

Palin's reference was to Bill Ayers, one of the founders of the group the Weather Underground. Its members were blamed for several bombings, including a pipe bomb in San Francisco that killed a police officer and injured another. Obama, who was a child when the group was active, has denounced Ayers' radical views and activities.

While it is known that Obama and Ayers live in the same Chicago neighborhood, served on a charity board together and had a fleeting political connection, there is no evidence that they ever palled around. And it's simply wrong to suggest that they were associated while Ayers was committing terrorist acts.

Nonetheless, Palin made the comments at two appearances in separate states.

360 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:41:09am

re: #350 taxfreekiller

Of note on "wait in the shadows to foreclose"

Its called "loan to own lending" its not new.

What is new is that the U.S. Government is now the worlds largest
"loan to own lender" and they have a mortgage on "We the Peoples" ass's and they used a forged Power of Attorney to sign off on the note.

like that, when they want your home, "Who ya gonna Call" ?

Excellent definition!

And scarey as hell, to boot.

361 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:44:39am

Even before the Open Society network came into being, Soros' blueprint for postcommunist "shock therapy" reform had been put to the test. First came Poland, where the first postcommunist prime minister, Tadeusz Mazowiecki, was close to Soros and subsequently remained associated with his local subsidiary, the Stefan Batory Foundation. In his book Underwriting Democracy, Soros says that he personally prepared the broad outlines of Poland's comprehensive economic reform:

"I joined forces with Professor Jeffrey Sachs of Harvard University, who was advocating a similar program, and sponsored his work in Poland through the Stefan Batory Foundation . . . The IMF approved and the program went into effect on Jan. 1, 1990. It was very tough on the population, but people were willing to take a lot of pain in order to see real change."

Poland was only a start, however; far more important to his goals was his association in 1991-92 with Russia's "reformist" leaders Anatoly Chubais and Yegor Gaidar and their Harvard guru Sachs. Within a year of their "shock therapy," hyperinflation had wiped out Russians' savings and the long-suffering middle class with it. Pensioners were literally starving. The parallel "privatization" of Russia's huge resources-timber, oil, gas, chemicals, media-created the robber oligarchs and contributed to Russia's effective deindustrialization. The country was lowered into neocolonial dependence: a supplier of energy and raw materials and an importer of high technology and manufactured goods. Nevertheless, in early 1993, Soros felt that Russia had not gone far enough: "The social safety net would also provide a powerful incentive to shut down loss-making enterprises. Factories could be idled and the raw materials and energy that go into production could be sold for more than the output."

362 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:45:38am

re: #357 MandyManners

When will those ads go away on television?

What about a reverse mortgage?

Good question. I don't know enough about a reverse mortgage to give a knowledgeable opinion, but I think when the owner/borrower dies or leaves the home, the bank just gets the home (unless the loan gets paid off somehow)?

363 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:46:41am

re: #359 Luigi

Traction.

From CNN..

Palin hits Obama for 'terrorist' connection
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Here's the AP instructing America in the wrongness of the charge:

[Link: ap.google.com...]

Palin says Obama 'palling around' with terrorists

Hey, AP? They served on TWO boards together, and Ayers made his "no regrets" interview more than a year before BHO quit the Woods Fund.

364 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:47:46am

re: #362 gettinby

Good question. I don't know enough about a reverse mortgage to give a knowledgeable opinion, but I think when the owner/borrower dies or leaves the home, the bank just gets the home (unless the loan gets paid off somehow)?

Does their estate pay off the rest?

365 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:48:16am

re: #361 MandyManners

It was after this that the Russian mafia flourished.

366 Geepers  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:48:25am

Luigi (#359),

From your link:

And it's simply wrong to suggest that they were associated while Ayers was committing terrorist acts.

OK, first off Jim, you disingenuous fuck, no one is suggesting that.

And secondly, thanks for admitting straight up that Ayers is a terrorist.

367 yah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:48:54am

re: #343 Born Again Republican


[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

I hope a lot of people get to read that. It makes me feel that even if McCain wins this country is lost - was lost a long time ago. It was started with "social security."

368 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:52:16am

re: #359 Luigi

That CNN even mentioned Ayers and referred to him as a (scare quotes) "terrorist" in their headline is a good start.

That "The reference was to..." paragraph is especially revealing, in a Pravda sort of way. "You see, audience, Mr. Ayres is someone we could have told you about, and that Senator Obama felt the need to denounce him, but we here at CNN didn't consider Dear Leader's association with Mr. Ayres newsworthy."

369 Born Again Republican  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:54:18am

re: #367 yah

[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

I hope a lot of people get to read that. It makes me feel that even if McCain wins this country is lost - was lost a long time ago. It was started with "social security."

Not lost yet but we do have a fight on our hands.

370 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:54:40am

Good morning, Lizards.

371 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:55:18am

I wonder what we'd be discussing today if the feds had not screwed up when surveilling Ayers and Dohrn.

372 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:55:37am

re: #370 goddessoftheclassroom

Howdy!

373 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:56:42am

re: #372 MandyManners

Howdy!

{MandyManners}

374 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:56:57am
375 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:57:15am

re: #371 MandyManners

I wonder what we'd be discussing today if the feds had not screwed up when surveilling Ayers and Dohrn.

McCain vs. Clinton?

376 yah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:57:35am

re: #349 gettinby

Each of us with a mortgage had every opportunity to really, really look at what we were getting ourselves into...yet...

I was told my loan was fixed - as were many others, but there was some loophole for the lender. It was Ameriquest and they lost a class action law suit against them because they lied. But all I won was that there would be no prepayment penalty if I refinanced. Well, refinancing costs a lot of money and I am not willing to pay for appraisals, title insurance, points and on on on.

377 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:58:38am

re: #368 Dar ul Harb

"And it's only newsworthy now to the extent we need to denounce Sarah Palin's malicious rumormongering about Dear Leader."

(Cf. Soviet reaction to Reagan's "evil empire" speech.)

378 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:58:55am

re: #370 goddessoftheclassroom

Hello and good morning!

379 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:00:53am

re: #378 gettinby

Hello and good morning!

{gettinby}

How are you doing? My boys and I are doing better. The sunshine this morning helps so much.

380 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:03:45am

re: #375 gettinby

McCain vs. Clinton?

Could be.

381 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:05:47am

I'm sick of TV Land's re-running the Extreme Makeover show. GIMME' SOME OLD SIT-COMS!

382 formercorpsman  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:05:51am

re: #349 gettinby

To be honest, and I do agree with you, most folks are not up to the task of mentally digesting that amount of information.

I know, it is not an excuse. I am not so quick however, to let the lending institutions of so quick either. Many of them were brokered. The broker doing the paperwork usually have state laws they play fast and loose with in order to get their commission.

In essence, you are paying them for the service, and in that service, it is incumbent upon them to abide with ethical standards.

I am in medicine, have been for 19 years now. Even though I have someone sign a surgical permit, after going through all of the potential bad things, there is a core principle on our part as the caregiver to provide the service in good conscience.

383 yah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:07:07am

re: #381 MandyManners


I'm sick of TV Land's re-running the Extreme Makeover show.

Show really needs a makeover.

384 JustMyView  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:07:10am

re: #341 yah

I really feel for the poor woman, but I wonder how many other peoples mortgages will be forgiven. Judges can now decide how much interest and the balance of your mortgage. The MSM are calling all these poor people who bought houses with zero downs "victims." I have been struggling with my adjustable rate mortgage and I can see it going up again to cover for all these "victims."

Your mortgage can only go up within the limits that were specified when you took it out. Are those limits affected by whether other people are repaying their mortgages? I could be wrong, but I wouldn't think so.

385 Stonemason  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:08:00am

re: #244 littleoldlady

Mel! :-)

Nope. Phillies.

/not much better, is it?


Sure it is, really, honestly, it is sooo much....

Aww heck, I think I am trying too hard

386 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:09:44am

re: #376 yah

I was told my loan was fixed - as were many others, but there was some loophole for the lender. It was Ameriquest and they lost a class action law suit against them because they lied. But all I won was that there would be no prepayment penalty if I refinanced. Well, refinancing costs a lot of money and I am not willing to pay for appraisals, title insurance, points and on on on.

Most 1st mortgages don't have a prepayment penalty anyway (that I'm aware of).

If you have even a little bit of equity, you can re-fi and have the closing costs put into the new loan...BUT, YOU, THE BORROWER, must be AGGRESSIVE about controlling those costs. The title insurance should only be a small amount as the new insurance will only have to search back to your original policy for example. Shop around for the lowest points charged (broker and lender). Your survey should be low-cost as you can just go back to the original company that did it and just pay for a re-fi update.

For not a lot of money, find a good (and honest) real-estate attorney to protect you during this process. As an average citizen, many of us really don't understand this process, and for such a large sum of money, it's never wise to go into such a contract without full and complete knowledge of what we're doing (and signing).

387 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:10:00am

If Palin keeps up the pressure (and I have every expectation that she will), the MSM will have to report "the news we kept to ourselves" about Obama, just in the same fashion Pravda reported about Reagan.

Above all, we must realize that no arsenal or no weapon in the arsenals of the world is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have. It is a weapon that we as Americans do have. Let that be understood by those who practice terrorism and prey upon their neighbors.

--President Ronald Reagan, first inaugural address, January 20, 1981

388 DistantThunder  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:10:16am

The ex-KGB guy in this video says the second step of marxist take-over is economic destabilization. The first step is demoralization, not making people feel sad, but getting them to give up being moral. Then they literally stop being able to tell fact from fiction.

389 yah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:12:57am

re: #384 JustMyView


Your mortgage can only go up within the limits that were specified when you took it out.

Well that limit is tied into an index - my payment has actually gone down in the last year. But I see it going up to the max. Hope I am wrong.

390 Stonemason  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:13:05am

re: #369 Born Again Republican

Not lost yet but we do have a fight on our hands.


And that fight will be long and difficult, but Americans, true Americans (made up of an incredible amount of differing backgrounds) will eventually prevail. Part of our strength is an innate memory of why our own ancestors came here in the first place, whether it was yesterday, 300 years ago like one side of my family, or 1913 like the other side of the family.

We will prevail, too much at stake, and the middle of this country, seemingly mired in apathy, will join us.

391 right_wing2  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:14:33am

We've got to do whatever we can, within the law (just to stop the Kos Kiddies from melting down even further) to stop the Obamessiah from winning. Americans need to learn just how far to the left he is. His associations with American terrorists and other questionable associates, sweetheart real estate deals, his 'further-to-the-left-than-Hillary-or-Ted-Kennedy' voting record, his record on gun rights, and everything else that shows his true colors.

If he wins, I weep for the future of America.

WASS- We Are So Screwed

392 JustMyView  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:14:52am

re: #389 yah

Well that limit is tied into an index - my payment has actually gone down in the last year. But I see it going up to the max. Hope I am wrong.

Right, but it was your comment re the repayment rates of other borrowers that caught my eye. Presumably, that index wouldn't be affected by whether other borrowers were repaying their mortgages. Again, I'm not an expert, but that connection seemed a little odd to me.

393 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:14:55am

re: #382 formercorpsman

To be honest, and I do agree with you, most folks are not up to the task of mentally digesting that amount of information.

I know, it is not an excuse. I am not so quick however, to let the lending institutions of so quick either. Many of them were brokered. The broker doing the paperwork usually have state laws they play fast and loose with in order to get their commission.

In essence, you are paying them for the service, and in that service, it is incumbent upon them to abide with ethical standards.

I am in medicine, have been for 19 years now. Even though I have someone sign a surgical permit, after going through all of the potential bad things, there is a core principle on our part as the caregiver to provide the service in good conscience.

You're right...it IS more than we average folks can digest and understand. And it would be wonderful if everyone I'm dealing with would be as ethical and I am...but, they're not.

If I don't understand (even a tiny bit) of what I'm signing, I DON'T SIGN IT.

The bottom line for me, personally, is because I did understand what I've signed, if it's a bad/raw deal, I can only blame myself!

LOL

394 Spirit93  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:15:06am

re: #323 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Great...just friggin great. Our primary ally{sigh}. War on Taliban cannot be won, says army chief

Yea....Let's Make A Deal! I mean, the Paki's deals with the Taliban work out so well and all.

Just incredible. What does he think he can negotiate about with the taliban? Is he related to Chamberlain? Or just insane?

395 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:15:16am

re: #386 gettinby

For not a lot of money, find a good (and honest) real-estate attorney to protect you during this process. As an average citizen, many of us really don't understand this process, and for such a large sum of money, it's never wise to go into such a contract without full and complete knowledge of what we're doing (and signing).

I just don't understand people who buy a house without an attorney. The last house my parents bought, they paid in cash yet they still had an attorney.

396 Stonemason  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:16:41am

re: #386 gettinby

I am not a money guy, so take this with that disclaimer. The word I have been hearing is that for the foreseeable future many lenders will 're-cast in place' the ARM's that may not be in trouble right now but could be in the future. One of the best things to do when owing anyone any money that one may have trouble repaying is to communicate with the note-holder. So many people are surprised when lenders listen, but they do, they want their money, and are usually willing to work with the borrower.

397 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:16:42am

re: #394 Spirit93

Just incredible. What does he think he can negotiate about with the taliban? Is he related to Chamberlain? Or just insane?

Yes.

398 formercorpsman  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:17:31am

re: #393 gettinby

We agree.

Am I living in folly? For some reason, I just seem to thing we actually had a time in this country, when a handshake did actually carry an element of honesty.

Maybe it is just wishful remembrance on my part.

399 laZardo  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:17:53am

G'deeeeevening Lizards, how's the new day coming along on the other side of the world?

400 akak  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:18:40am

Damn. Israeli stocks down 6-10 %, hope it's not so rough elsewhere tomorrow.

TA 25 -6.26%
TA 100 -6.50%
TelTech15 -9.84%
TA 75 -7.49%

401 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:18:47am

re: #398 formercorpsman

We agree.

Am I living in folly? For some reason, I just seem to thing we actually had a time in this country, when a handshake did actually carry an element of honesty.

Maybe it is just wishful remembrance on my part.

A handshake does not equal a contract.

402 yah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:20:05am

re: #386 gettinby

I checked into a new loan a few months ago - it would cost me about $7,000 - And I don't want that rolled into the new loan.

Thank You for the advice. I may start looking again after the election and holidays and will get an attorney to look things over for me. I will also use a local bank.

403 formercorpsman  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:20:11am

re: #401 MandyManners

I know, I know.

I'm pining for the days where your reputation was something to be upheld.

404 Stonemason  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:22:21am

re: #398 formercorpsman

We are still here, the handshake men and women, and we vote. Sometimes we vote with our wallets by not dealing with a scoundrel, sometimes we vote with our voices, denouncing the scoundrels in public or where they do business, and we can always vote out the public scoundrels in November!

The more of us that do not give up, that instill the handshake mentality in our children, the better chance we have of coming out on the other side of this century as an even stronger country then we are now.

And yes, we are still the strongest country in the world, if we weren't we wouldn't still be the target of the rhetoric of those weaker nations we constantly save.

405 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:23:14am

re: #390 Stonemason

And that fight will be long and difficult, but Americans, true Americans (made up of an incredible amount of differing backgrounds) will eventually prevail. Part of our strength is an innate memory of why our own ancestors came here in the first place, whether it was yesterday, 300 years ago like one side of my family, or 1913 like the other side of the family.

We will prevail, too much at stake, and the middle of this country, seemingly mired in apathy, will join us.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but my experience, even with just one individual, is that if I'm happy, successful, doing well, appear without-worry, etc., that many will automatically and immediately hate me and try to attack/change me.

I liken this to our great country. We are beautiful, successful, doing well (until last week anyway), and pretty much appear without major worries.

Guess what I'm trying to say is that we'll probably ALWAYS have a fight to keep it, and too many of our citizens just aren't up to it anymore. Maybe it's because they've lost the ability to see the bigger picture?

406 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:25:19am

re: #403 formercorpsman

I know, I know.

I'm pining for the days where your reputation was something to be upheld.

I like what Judge Milian in the People's Court says people who don't have a signed contract are called: litigants.

407 Stonemason  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:25:21am

re: #401 MandyManners

It still does for me, honestly it does. I told a gentleman two weeks ago I would build his patio for $3500, we shook hands, and when the patio was done I asked for $3500 even though the stones he had me use were smaller than I expected and I made about 5% less per hour than I like to earn. No paper work, no contract, and a job I personally stand by for as long as the family is in the house.

408 yah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:25:25am

re: #392 JustMyView

I hope you are right! But the way I see it is that those who are paying have got to pay for all those who are not paying. I am no expert, but it just seems logical.

409 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:26:59am

re: #404 Stonemason

And yes, we are still the strongest country in the world, if we weren't we wouldn't still be the target of the rhetoric of those weaker nations we constantly save.

If we're so bad, why are people willing to risk their lives to get here?! Why do pregnant women go to incredible lengths to give birth here?!

It's ENVY.

410 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:28:37am

re: #398 formercorpsman

We agree.

Am I living in folly? For some reason, I just seem to thing we actually had a time in this country, when a handshake did actually carry an element of honesty.

Maybe it is just wishful remembrance on my part.

We've lived and come up from the same era it appears.

/AND I MISS IT!

At one point, we never locked our homes or cars. Like you said, a lot of business was done on a handshake. We knew our neighbors would come through if we experienced any troubles. We could go out and play for hours without our parents having to worry so much (as long as we stayed on our own block). It's all pretty much lost now.

/I blame Carter. :)

411 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:29:16am

re: #407 Stonemason

It still does for me, honestly it does. I told a gentleman two weeks ago I would build his patio for $3500, we shook hands, and when the patio was done I asked for $3500 even though the stones he had me use were smaller than I expected and I made about 5% less per hour than I like to earn. No paper work, no contract, and a job I personally stand by for as long as the family is in the house.

What if a visitor to the house trips over a stone, is injured and winds up suing the homeowner? Will his insurer come after you? Would an indemnity clause protect you?

412 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:29:16am

re: #405 gettinby

Correct me if I'm wrong, but my experience, even with just one individual, is that if I'm happy, successful, doing well, appear without-worry, etc., that many will automatically and immediately hate me and try to attack/change me.

I liken this to our great country. We are beautiful, successful, doing well (until last week anyway), and pretty much appear without major worries.

Guess what I'm trying to say is that we'll probably ALWAYS have a fight to keep it, and too many of our citizens just aren't up to it anymore. Maybe it's because they've lost the ability to see the bigger picture?

OMG, that has happened to me, too!
One of my EH's last complaints about me was that I was "too good" and saw everything in terms of "black and white."

Yeah, trying to live one's religious ideals is a horrible thing...

413 Stonemason  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:30:44am

re: #405 gettinby

Maybe it's because they've lost the ability to see the bigger picture?

As I put it, seemingly apathetic. They know the bigger picture is there, it just isn't right in front of them, they are too busy with living to be terribly worried about it. These are the folk that make up the bulk of the country, they work, pay bills, make kids, and live and die in the same basic geographic area. America is still America, some of us overdose on the issues, and others simply, comfortably, wander around the issues.

When it comes to it though, those are the ones who will be fighting for us, literally, as they always have.

414 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:31:25am

re: #412 goddessoftheclassroom

OMG, that has happened to me, too!
One of my EH's last complaints about me was that I was "too good" and saw everything in terms of "black and white."

Yeah, trying to live one's religious ideals is a horrible thing...

What a weenie! His attack just shows how corrupt he became. He wanted you to descend to his level in order to build himself up.

415 formercorpsman  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:32:30am

re: #404 Stonemason

You know what I mean. That does not surprise me.

I always vote with my wallet. I have not purchased a newspaper, a movie ticket, etc. for at least 1o years, maybe more.

I also make an effort to use small business when I can. Not that I am against big business, but I try to have a fiscal conscience.

In my locale, there is a small coffee, boutique, eatery. Once I found out they had anti-war connections, I actually made my opinion known, explained that while I support their right to have their positions, I think they are wrong, and damn well did not want any of my hard earned money passing through their hands, and supporting a cause I would be totally against.

I don't think they ever had a patron tell them that before.

416 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:32:35am

re: #407 Stonemason

It still does for me, honestly it does. I told a gentleman two weeks ago I would build his patio for $3500, we shook hands, and when the patio was done I asked for $3500 even though the stones he had me use were smaller than I expected and I made about 5% less per hour than I like to earn. No paper work, no contract, and a job I personally stand by for as long as the family is in the house.

It's called honor.

The guy who has done extensive renovations on my house over the years has done even more than that for me, During the last project, it made sense to take care of some other issues, but I didn't have the money. He did them anyway, telling me to pay it back as I could--interest free. There is no contract between us except my word.

417 formercorpsman  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:33:09am

re: #406 MandyManners

Unfortunately, it is true.

418 Stonemason  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:33:37am

re: #411 MandyManners

What if a visitor to the house trips over a stone, is injured and winds up suing the homeowner? Will his insurer come after you? Would an indemnity clause protect you?

I know Mandy, I know. But I can not let that thought change the way I am. I have insurance, can't live with out it, but I try very hard to do things with out contracts if the customer does not want a contract. I also have a standard contract I use for those customers that feel better that way.

/naive but not too terribly dumb!

419 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:35:30am

re: #414 MandyManners

What a weenie! His attack just shows how corrupt he became. He wanted you to descend to his level in order to build himself up.

My mom refers to him as "the weasel," among other things...

Yes, he fell far and didn't even want to grab the hand I extended.

Did I tell you he is now having weekly supervised visitations with my older son? It appears that the EH is in counseling and is trying to repair/rebuild that relationship. My younger son absolutely refuses to see him.

420 abolitionist  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:36:27am

re: #104 Walter L. Newton

I sent that post on to Charles. I hope he catches it in the morning. And Pat, try reading the rules at the top of the page. You may get the stick from Charles for that remark.

You got a fricasseeing license?

421 formercorpsman  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:36:38am

re: #416 goddessoftheclassroom

THAT is what I am talking about.

422 Born Again Republican  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:37:48am

re: #405 gettinby

Guess what I'm trying to say is that we'll probably ALWAYS have a fight to keep it, and too many of our citizens just aren't up to it anymore. Maybe it's because they've lost the ability to see the bigger picture?

We are up against taking a hard look at the bad habits of our country and people are going to resist any pressures of creative changes. It feels to much like we're facing an impending doom. We have to be careful of letting fear rule and keep our eye on solutions.

Often I think of George Washington trying to rally people to fight for this country's freedom when the majority of people were against him. The majority wanted to keep status quo and stay under England's rule.

I agree with Stonemason, we will be in this fight for a long time!

423 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:38:06am

re: #412 goddessoftheclassroom

OMG, that has happened to me, too!
One of my EH's last complaints about me was that I was "too good" and saw everything in terms of "black and white."

Yeah, trying to live one's religious ideals is a horrible thing...

And God help you if you are also good-looking!

(and you probably are)

/screw 'em! LOL

424 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:38:43am

re: #418 Stonemason

I know Mandy, I know. But I can not let that thought change the way I am. I have insurance, can't live with out it, but I try very hard to do things with out contracts if the customer does not want a contract. I also have a standard contract I use for those customers that feel better that way.

/naive but not too terribly dumb!

I would NEVER do such work without a contract. Not everyone is honest, and often we dont' find out until it's too late. Have you asked your insurer if you're required to have a contract with customers in order to be covered?

425 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:40:48am

re: #419 goddessoftheclassroom

My mom refers to him as "the weasel," among other things...

Yes, he fell far and didn't even want to grab the hand I extended.

Did I tell you he is now having weekly supervised visitations with my older son? It appears that the EH is in counseling and is trying to repair/rebuild that relationship. My younger son absolutely refuses to see him.

Could the weasel go after you for the younger boy's refusal, claiming that you've practiced parental alienation?

426 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:40:53am

re: #413 Stonemason

When it comes to it though, those are the ones who will be fighting for us, literally, as they always have.

You have such a great attitude!

/They better come thru. I'm not so sure anymore, but I like to think it's still true.

427 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:43:07am

re: #423 gettinby

And God help you if you are also good-looking!

(and you probably are)

/screw 'em! LOL

You're so kind!

I think I'm reasonably attractive although I have a tendency to plumpness--I'm such a yo-yo.

The very last words the EH spoke to me were, "You're fat and ugly."

I laughed and replied, "You're the only one who thinks so."

He said, "My students look at your Facebook picture and laugh at you."

I didn't deign to reply to that. I knew it wasn't true and he was just trying to hurt me.

428 Stonemason  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:43:56am

re: #424 MandyManners

No I haven't but I will next week.

The judges that allowed the legal system to reward clumsy people should be...well...rewarded in the next life with plenty of free heat.

429 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:44:40am

re: #427 goddessoftheclassroom

You're so kind!

I think I'm reasonably attractive although I have a tendency to plumpness--I'm such a yo-yo.

The very last words the EH spoke to me were, "You're fat and ugly."

I laughed and replied, "You're the only one who thinks so."

He said, "My students look at your Facebook picture and laugh at you."

I didn't deign to reply to that. I knew it wasn't true and he was just trying to hurt me.

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

430 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:45:15am

re: #425 MandyManners

Could the weasel go after you for the younger boy's refusal, claiming that you've practiced parental alienation?

I still have the court order forbidding contact with our younger son and me. I am allowing it to be modified to allow supervised contact with our older son.

Since the the child abuse charge (made by the hospital, not me) was found to be "indicated," the EH doesn't stand a chance on that score,

431 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:45:41am

re: #428 Stonemason

No I haven't but I will next week.

The judges that allowed the legal system to reward clumsy people should be...well...rewarded in the next life with plenty of free heat.

Well, shit happens to even the most coordinated people.

432 USA  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:46:10am

Palin's "domestic terrorist" stump speech is excellent. She should use it every day.

433 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:46:29am

re: #430 goddessoftheclassroom

I still have the court order forbidding contact with our younger son and me. I am allowing it to be modified to allow supervised contact with our older son.

Since the the child abuse charge (made by the hospital, not me) was found to be "indicated," the EH doesn't stand a chance on that score,

Who's doing the supervising? (If I'm too nosey, just whack me.)

434 leftover54  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:47:49am

re: #74 redc1c4

Cocoa butter works like a miracle but it does take time - lotsa time. I have some really bad scars, used the stuff for a year + and the scars are all but invisible.

435 3 wood  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:48:11am

Well, it looks like the SEC ifs finally going after some lenders for fraud:

SEC charges 5 L.A. brokers on subprime mortgages

TEL AVIV (MarketWatch) - The Securities and Exchange Commission charged that five Los Angeles-area brokers "put their customers at risk by refinancing their homes with subprime mortgages that they could not afford."
The agency, in a statement on Friday, said it charged the five with securities fraud, saying that the brokers executed the refinancings to "fraudulently sell [the homeowners] unsuitable securities." It filed the case in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles.
The five - who were both mortgage brokers and registered representatives - worked for World Group Securities Inc., the SEC said. They "paid themselves high commissions on both the subprime mortgages and the securities purchases," the agency said.
"The customers generally were of modest means, had little prior investment experience, and had little or no formal education beyond high school," the agency said.

I think you will see a whole lot more of this. With the Community Reinvestment Act pushing the system, the question was not could the applicants afford the loan, is was could the bankers securitize and sell off the loan.

436 3 wood  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:49:20am

re: #427 goddessoftheclassroom

The very last words the EH spoke to me were, "You're fat and ugly."

I laughed and replied, "You're the only one who thinks so."

He said, "My students look at your Facebook picture and laugh at you."

He is a very sick and twisted person. I am so sorry that you got put through that.

437 leftover54  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:50:37am

re: #38 captkirk35


And a roll of quarters in his fist !

438 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:50:46am

re: #427 goddessoftheclassroom

Not plumpness, m'dear.

It is called the Classical Woman, and it is beautiful.

imho

/For those who may not know, I'm a woman, so my humble opinion possibly has some merit to it? LOL

439 laZardo  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:51:06am

re: #405 gettinby

Or maybe some of them just can't take the pressure.

440 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:51:58am

re: #315 Walter L. Newton

The report is very accurate. There is no hate anywhere in Boulder. It's all gumdrops and flowing chocolate rivers.

/

Sounds wonderful ... I didn't know Charlie moved the chocolate factory to Boulder after old man Wonka died!

441 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:52:05am

re: #433 MandyManners

Who's doing the supervising? (If I'm too nosey, just whack me.)

It's an agency here in town. It costs $35 an hour, and the EH wanted me to split the cost. I declined.

442 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:52:10am

re: #435 3 wood

Well, it looks like the SEC ifs finally going after some lenders for fraud:

SEC charges 5 L.A. brokers on subprime mortgages


I think you will see a whole lot more of this. With the Community Reinvestment Act pushing the system, the question was not could the applicants afford the loan, is was could the bankers securitize and sell off the loan.

What about the customers' responsibility to not take on such a debt?! It's not as if they were rottweilers who couldn't refuse raw meat dangled in front of them!

443 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:53:23am

re: #435 3 wood

Hopefully, the pendulum is on a backswing on these crooks.

It takes a lot of work and effort, but a sound and ethical mortgage broker and/or attorney can be found.

444 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:53:26am

re: #441 goddessoftheclassroom

It's an agency here in town. It costs $35 an hour, and the EH wanted me to split the cost. I declined.

Oh, brother! That's kinda' like the man who killed his family and then asked for leniency because he was an orphan. Chutzpah.

445 laZardo  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:53:29am

re: #427 goddessoftheclassroom

Sorry to be nosy too...but who is this "EH" and what's the story?

446 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:55:54am

re: #439 laZardo

Or maybe some of them just can't take the pressure.

So, I suppose then that we'll have to poke 'em or *whack* 'em and not just pressure them!

/with thanks to Mandy for the *whack* procedure.

447 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:56:04am
448 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:56:39am

re: #446 gettinby

So, I suppose then that we'll have to poke 'em or *whack* 'em and not just pressure them!

/with thanks to Mandy for the *whack* procedure.

It's more of a reflex than a procedure.

449 AMER1CAN  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:56:44am

OT:

Push to register felons to vote could aid Obama Activists: Disproportionate black population of ex-felons may shift outcome

Undaunted by the heat, James Bailey spent his late-summer afternoons walking Virginia's bleakest neighborhoods on the hunt for ex-cons — each a potential voter who might cast the decisive ballot in this hotly contested state.

Awesome, so convicted felons could help decide who's president.....what a nightmare!

It just goes to show.......

450 laZardo  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:58:27am

re: #446 gettinby

I get what you were saying though. Well, sorta. I somehow think the nerds were hardly destined to succeed unless they end up "serving the stupid."

451 laZardo  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:59:19am

re: #449 AMER1CAN

OT:

Push to register felons to vote could aid Obama Activists: Disproportionate black population of ex-felons may shift outcome

Awesome, so convicted felons could help decide who's president.....what a nightmare!

It just goes to show.......

...that America is moving on from these racial misconceptions and prejudices that land more black people in jail than in college.

/i do the spin so well it scares me sometimes...

452 shug  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 5:59:28am

re: #449 AMER1CAN

OT:

Push to register felons to vote could aid Obama Activists: Disproportionate black population of ex-felons may shift outcome


Awesome, so convicted felons could help decide who's president.....what a nightmare!

It just goes to show.......

Has Rezko already sent in his absentee ballot(s) ?

453 AMER1CAN  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:00:32am

It's too bad Tookie will be unable to vote. I think you know what I'm talkin about there. Little insider joke! :)

454 Stonemason  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:01:03am

re: #438 gettinby

Plump and curvy, good, stick figure bad

455 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:01:12am

re: #445 laZardo

Sorry to be nosy too...but who is this "EH" and what's the story?

EH is "estranged husband." We're separated; I filed for divorce a year ago August, but he hasn't replied (he doesn't have to, but if he did, we could get this show on the road."

Long story shorter: he became obsessed with staying young and go involved with one of students shortly after the end of the semester she was in his class. I found out, was willing to forgive and heal the marriage, He broke off the affair (reluctantly), then recommenced it a few months later. He spent last summer looking for reasons to justify his behavior, and treating me and our kids with contempt.

Last August my older son confronted him, a shoving match ensued, and then he lashed out at my younger son, kicking him so hard that his head hit the wall.

That's the night I got the EH out of the house (he had refused to moved out prior to that but sleeping in the guest room).

I took the kids to the EH, at which point the social services system took over. EH was charged with 2 counts of harassment and simple assault. I obtained a court order forbidding him from having any contact with us.

456 BBev  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:01:34am

re: #451 laZardo

...that America is moving on from these racial misconceptions and prejudices that land more black people in jail than in college.

/i do the spin so well it scares me sometimes...

One of my sisters was one of those that was doing this same thing during the 2000 election only she was doing it in the prisons. What a huge MOONBAT.

457 laZardo  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:01:42am

re: #453 AMER1CAN

Nah, he'll vote. His victims will, too.

/gets the joke, unfortunately

458 FrogMarch  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:02:07am

CNN - an unprofessional joke. in the tank.
[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

good morning lizards.

459 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:02:35am

re: #442 MandyManners

What about the customers' responsibility to not take on such a debt?! It's not as if they were rottweilers who couldn't refuse raw meat dangled in front of them!

I know, I just don't get it. It doesn't matter how "complex" a mortgage is (and they're not that complex anyway, once you get past all the fees and crap). You take your household income and subtract utilities, groceries, clothes, shoes, medical, car payments, and other expenses, then subtract the mortgage payment from what's left. If it's not much, or a negative figure, you can't afford it!

I had to get an 5-year ARM when I refinanced my house to pay off my ex-wife, but I got a fixed-rate mortgage well within that period. Come on ... how can people be so dumb, and so blithe about such a large amount of money, to not even bother finding out what an adjustable rate mortgage is? "Oh, it means my interest rate goes up? And that makes my payment go up? D'oh!"

460 Stonemason  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:04:21am

re: #453 AMER1CAN

It's too bad Tookie will be unable to vote. I think you know what I'm talkin about there. Little insider joke! :)

But a terrible shame that Wesley Cook, while not being able to vote, can still talk about it.

461 BBev  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:04:40am

re: #459 Tigger2005

I know, I just don't get it. It doesn't matter how "complex" a mortgage is (and they're not that complex anyway, once you get past all the fees and crap). You take your household income and subtract utilities, groceries, clothes, shoes, medical, car payments, and other expenses, then subtract the mortgage payment from what's left. If it's not much, or a negative figure, you can't afford it!

I had to get an 5-year ARM when I refinanced my house to pay off my ex-wife, but I got a fixed-rate mortgage well within that period. Come on ... how can people be so dumb, and so blithe about such a large amount of money, to not even bother finding out what an adjustable rate mortgage is? "Oh, it means my interest rate goes up? And that makes my payment go up? D'oh!"

When I had a home in Massachusetts I had an adjustable rate mortgage and I played my card well and bet the rate would go down and it did dy 2 points but whit the house I have now I have a fixed rate.

462 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:05:49am

re: #450 laZardo

I get what you were saying though. Well, sorta. I somehow think the nerds were hardly destined to succeed unless they end up "serving the stupid."

Just seems to me that the "haters" actually deem themselves successful when they are able to tear down the successful.

463 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:06:36am

re: #454 Stonemason

Plump and curvy, good, stick figure bad

Betcha you have a lot of women in your life who love you dearly.

464 lifeofthemind  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:07:22am

re: #449 AMER1CAN

OT:

Push to register felons to vote could aid Obama Activists: Disproportionate black population of ex-felons may shift outcome


Awesome, so convicted felons could help decide who's president.....what a nightmare!

It just goes to show.......

There is this popular misconception that being convicted of a felony automatically means a lifetime bar to voting. The reality is more complicated.

465 Stonemason  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:07:58am

re: #463 gettinby

::Chuckles::

Just one

466 laZardo  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:09:28am

re: #462 gettinby

When talking about general trolls, yes. But when these "haters" actually do become successful in society and not just in their own minds, things change.

467 3 wood  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:10:21am

re: #442 MandyManners

What about the customers' responsibility to not take on such a debt?! It's not as if they were rottweilers who couldn't refuse raw meat dangled in front of them!

That is true too, but it is not criminal for people to take loans they can not afford. It is for lenders to falsify documents so the loan can be approved.

468 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:10:37am

re: #465 Stonemason

::Chuckles::

Just one

You are blessed (as is she).

/Watchout! The haters will try to attack and ruin your happiness!

469 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:12:53am

re: #466 laZardo

When talking about general trolls, yes. But when these "haters" actually do become successful in society and not just in their own minds, things change.

Maybe.

Maybe not, in the overall, or in the longrun?

They, too, will then be hated and attacked.

/vicious cycle.

470 AMER1CAN  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:13:05am

That article is rich with quotes.

"It's not a black-white thing," Glasgow said. "It's that people will see Republicans standing against having people's rights restored while the Democrats aren't."

Right for everyone I say! Can I be president now?

Blacks represent "about 40 percent of the people who've gotten their rights lost and restored," Mitchell said. "With an African-American running, and such a critical mass, this could have a tremendous impact."

Rights lost? Did they just walk away? Did you look under the counch for them?

They expect that effort to benefit Barack Obama more than John McCain, given that the population of former felons is disproportionately black.

Disproportionately? As in unfairly? Lets let out some convicted black people and lets put in jail some innoncent white folks. You know, just so the numbers even out and are not so disproportionate!

471 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:14:32am

Good morning all y'all - from a pleasant (57 degrees, going up to 80 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone this morning?

472 3 wood  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:15:18am

Now the Germans have their banking headaches:

Crisis talks to save German bank

The German government has called an emergency meeting with the central bank and financial regulator to try to save troubled German bank Hypo Real Estate.

The bank, Germany's second biggest commercial property lender, is fighting for its survival after a 35bn euro ($48bn; £27.2bn) rescue plan collapsed.

Hypo said it would look at alternative measures to fund its business.

The news came after European leaders at a Paris summit stopped short of offering a US-style bank bail-out plan.

Whatever you think of the Bail Out Plan, the fact is the US has at least been aggressively trying to deal with this situation.

In Europe, they are just starting to respond, and because of their structure they have a lot fewer tools at their disposal options to deal with this.

I think we will have a recession for 6 to 9 months and then start coming out of it if no other major bad things happen here (such as Obama winning and raising taxes). But Europe will be in a tough situation for a long time to come.

473 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:15:41am

re: #471 realwest

Good morning all y'all - from a pleasant (57 degrees, going up to 80 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone this morning?

{realwest}

Good morning! The sun is shining!

474 laZardo  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:15:42am

re: #471 realwest

:|

/you get the idea

475 3 wood  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:15:59am

re: #471 realwest

Fine real, and you?

476 shug  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:16:18am
477 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:16:40am

re: #472 3 wood
Good morning 3 wood, how are you today?

478 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:16:45am

re: #449 AMER1CAN

OT:

Push to register felons to vote could aid Obama Activists: Disproportionate black population of ex-felons may shift outcome


Awesome, so convicted felons could help decide who's president.....what a nightmare!

It just goes to show.......

If they're allowed to vote now, what to do?

479 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:17:32am

re: #475 3 wood ROTFLMAO! GMTA!
I'm doing ok today thanks, glad you're doing well!

480 BBev  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:17:53am

re: #470 AMER1CAN

Disproportionately? As in unfairly? Lets let out some convicted black people and lets put in jail some innoncent white folks. You know, just so the numbers even out and are not so disproportionate!

Oh God please don't let Obama win. I think he will start at my house with the way I have been throwing them off my stoop lately'

Good Mornin Real, I'm doing well and you?

481 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:18:44am

re: #473 goddessoftheclassroom Good morning {goddess} yes the Sun is shining and I can see it! What better way to start the day?! LOL!

482 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:18:51am

re: #459 Tigger2005

I know, I just don't get it. It doesn't matter how "complex" a mortgage is (and they're not that complex anyway, once you get past all the fees and crap). You take your household income and subtract utilities, groceries, clothes, shoes, medical, car payments, and other expenses, then subtract the mortgage payment from what's left. If it's not much, or a negative figure, you can't afford it!

I had to get an 5-year ARM when I refinanced my house to pay off my ex-wife, but I got a fixed-rate mortgage well within that period. Come on ... how can people be so dumb, and so blithe about such a large amount of money, to not even bother finding out what an adjustable rate mortgage is? "Oh, it means my interest rate goes up? And that makes my payment go up? D'oh!"

Sadly, many people just don't have the intelligence/experience to understand economics.

483 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:19:32am

re: #474 laZardo
I do get the idea - say - isn't it late where you are and aren't you still a growing young lad?! Hmmmmmmm?

484 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:20:00am

re: #467 3 wood

That is true too, but it is not criminal for people to take loans they can not afford. It is for lenders to falsify documents so the loan can be approved.

White collar crime is one committed with documents instead of guns.

485 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:20:30am

re: #480 BBev Good morning BBev, glad to hear you're doing well this morning! I'm doing ok, thanks!

486 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:20:40am

BBIAM!

487 BBev  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:21:45am

re: #484 MandyManners

White collar crime is one committed with documents instead of guns.

Some here my remember from the late 80's and early 90's all the mortgage brokers and bankers that went to jail for just that ( Dime Mortgage )

488 BBev  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:22:17am

Pimf/ may

489 laZardo  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:22:29am

re: #483 realwest

WHEN YOU GET BACK...

It's only early evening, and somehow I've gotten used to sleeping at 2 AM so I've got time to finish drafting*. Regardless of the good nights sleep and all, I feel three times my age.

/*the architectural sense.

490 3 wood  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:22:51am

re: #482 MandyManners

Sadly, many people just don't have the intelligence/experience to understand economics.

I can certainly testify to that.

I see them every term in my classes.

491 BBev  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:23:19am

Have fun all and play nice, bbl

492 yma o hyd  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:24:03am

Hi, Lizard Nation!
Before I dive into the threads downstairs, I'd like to copy the following story for all who've had to say good-bye to their pets - and especially for {newsjunkie-ky} and {goddessoftheclassroom}:

A man and his dog were walking along a road. The man was enjoying the scenery, when it suddenly occurred to him that he was dead. He remembered dying, and that the dog walking beside him had been dead for years. He wondered where the road was leading them. After a while, they came to a high, white stone wall along one side of the road. It looked like fine marble. At the top of a long hill, it was broken by a tall arch that glowed in the sunlight.

When he was standing before it he saw a magnificent gate in the arch that looked like mother-of-pearl, and the street that led to the gate looked like pure gold. He and the dog walked toward the gate, and as he got closer, he saw a man at a desk to one side.

When he was close enough, he called out, 'Excuse me, where are we?'
'This is Heaven, sir,' the man answered.
'Wow! Would you happen to have some water?' the man asked.
'Of course, sir. Come right in, and I'll have some ice water brought right up.'

The man gestured, and the gate began to open.

'Can my friend,' gesturing toward his dog, 'come in, too?' the traveller asked.
'I'm sorry, sir, but we don't accept pets.'

The man thought a moment and then turned back toward the road and continued the way he had been going with his dog. After another long walk, and at the top of another long hill, he came to a dirt road leading through a farm gate that looked as if it had never been closed. There was no fence.
As he approached the gate, he saw a man inside, leaning against a tree and reading a book.

'Excuse me!' he called to the man. 'Do you have any water?'
'Yeah, sure, there's a pump over there, come on in.'
'How about my friend here?' the traveller gestured to the dog.
'There should be a bowl by the pump.'

They went through the gate, and sure enough, there was an old-fashioned hand pump with a bowl beside it. The traveller filled the water bowl and took a long drink himself, then he gave some to the dog. When they were full, he and the dog walked back toward the man who was standing by the tree.

'What do you call this place?' the traveler asked.
'This is Heaven,' he answered.
'Well, that's confusing,' the traveller said. 'The man down the road said that was Heaven, too.'
'Oh, you mean the place with the gold street and pearly gates? Nope. That's hell.'
'Doesn't it make you mad for them to use your name like that?'
'No, we're just happy that they screen out the folks who would leave their best friends behind.
~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~

493 3 wood  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:24:25am

Byt he way, I'm hearing that up to 14 states are calling the Fed's now looking for their own bail out.

494 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:24:29am

re: #487 BBev

Some here my remember from the late 80's and early 90's all the mortgage brokers and bankers that went to jail for just that ( Dime Mortgage )

I don't. My biggest memory is of Silverado and other S&L's.

495 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:24:59am

re: #490 3 wood

I can certainly testify to that.

I see them every term in my classes.

At that level?

496 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:26:18am

re: #471 realwest

Good morning {realwest}!

497 3 wood  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:26:54am

Some business is getting done:

US to sell $6bn in arms to Taiwan

The US government has notified Congress of plans to supply Taiwan with arms worth more than $6bn (£3.4bn).

The sales include advanced interceptor missiles, Apache helicopters and submarine-launched missiles.

Correspondents say the decision is likely to anger China, which regards Taiwan as its territory and opposes US military support of the island.

The move could also complicate efforts to get North Korea, an ally of Beijing, to end its nuclear programme.

The US Defence Security Co-operation Agency (DSCA) said the sales would "help improve the security of the recipient and assist in maintaining political stability, military balance and economic progress in the region".

I bet the liberals are peeved over this.

498 3 wood  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:28:11am

re: #495 MandyManners

At that level?

For sure.

Just cause someone (or their parents) can afford tuition does not mean that they are particularly bright.

499 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:28:13am

re: #492 yma o hyd

{yma o hyd}

I've had to wrestle with the whole "animals don't have souls" canard.

My conclusions:
1. No where in the Bible does it say this. If I missed it, please point it out to me,
2. God is love and love is of God. Our pets LOVE us, and therefore they are of God, and all that is God's own return to Him.
3. We give our pets a bit of our souls, and that's got to be enough.

500 AMER1CAN  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:28:18am

I like this semi defense from the AP on Weather Underground.

The vice presidential candidate's reference was to Bill Ayers, one of the founders of the group the Weather Underground. Its members took credit for bombings, including nonfatal explosions at the Pentagon and U.S. Capitol, during the tumultuous Vietnam War era four decades ago. Obama, who was a child when the group was active, served on a charity board with Ayers several years ago and has denounced his radical views and activities.

Look at some of the terms used to soften the connection and story.

nonfatal
tumultuous Vietnam War
four decades ago
Obama, who was a child
charity board

Seems liike pretty soft reporting to me considering the pitbull attitude given towards other stories. Not suprised of course. Just pointing it out.

501 abolitionist  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:29:06am
502 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:29:39am

re: #487 BBev
Oh yeah, I well remember the late 80's early 90's I personally helped put over 30 CEO's and Presidents of Savings and Loans and Federally Chartered Savings banks in Jail - unfortunately usually only for about 2+1/2 years but with full restitution to either the RTC or the FDIC.
Fucking crooks ran those small ($400 to $600 million dollars) banks like their own personal candy store.

503 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:30:04am

re: #498 3 wood

For sure.

Just cause someone (or their parents) can afford tuition does not mean that they are particularly bright.

Whatever happened to GPA/SAT/ACT requirements?

504 laZardo  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:30:31am

re: #497 3 wood

They know China can't do anything against Taiwan in the near term what with all the international events they're holding as well as this whole melamine scandal.

It'd be really bad for business.

505 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:30:38am

Ah I thank the gods or powers that be for COFFEE! YEA!
(yawn - oops, sorry y'all!). I just can't seem to wake up this morning!

506 3 wood  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:31:28am

re: #494 MandyManners

I don't. My biggest memory is of Silverado and other S&L's.

I go back to Continental Illinois Bank and Trust in Chicago, once the 5th largest bank in the world. They made a bunch of loans in the oil wild-catting industry in the 70's when oil shot up similar to the mortgage mess today, then when oil plummeted in the 80's the loans went bad.

Continental eventually folded.

507 lifeofthemind  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:31:31am

re: #470 AMER1CAN

That article is rich with quotes.


Disproportionately? As in unfairly? Lets let out some convicted black people and lets put in jail some innoncent white folks. You know, just so the numbers even out and are not so disproportionate!

The sancity of Brown vs. Board of Education is such a given that people rarely look at how the decision was reached. There are a few key cases that are important not because of the merits of the issue that was before the Court but because of how they were used to shape the role and powers of the judiciary. For example nobody cares about William Marbury but the case Marbury v. Madison was game changing because John Marshall in his role of Chief Justice used the principle of Judicial Review to absolve himself of responsibility for his own error of conduct when he was Secretary of State. Similarly the legal community are deeply invested in defending Roe v. Wade not in despite of its shaky reasoning but because of it. Roe, by enshrining a "Right of privacy" emanating from the penumbra of Constitutional rights, gave the judiciary a blank check to rewrite the constitution. Brown introduced into the legal system the whole panoply of statistical analysis and consideration of disparate impact on groups.

508 laZardo  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:31:43am

re: #502 realwest

Replied at #489.

509 AMER1CAN  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:31:52am

re: #499 goddessoftheclassroom

"If there are no dogs in Heaven,
then when I die I want to go where they went."
Will Rogers, 1897-1935

510 3 wood  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:32:31am

re: #503 MandyManners

Whatever happened to GPA/SAT/ACT requirements?

Affirmative Action happened to them.

511 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:33:31am

re: #506 3 wood

I go back to Continental Illinois Bank and Trust in Chicago, once the 5th largest bank in the world. They made a bunch of loans in the oil wild-catting industry in the 70's when oil shot up similar to the mortgage mess today, then when oil plummeted in the 80's the loans went bad.

Continental eventually folded.

Why did home values shoot up so high over the past few years?

512 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:34:15am

re: #510 3 wood

Affirmative Action happened to them.

Yet whites are still held to the old standards?

513 3 wood  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:34:30am

re: #504 laZardo

It'd be really bad for business.

China is also holding a lot of Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac debt, so China wants to make sure the US government keeps standing by it.

514 3 wood  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:34:54am

By the way, I have been retired now for 2 months today.

515 laZardo  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:35:42am

re: #512 MandyManners

They just "downgraded" us 'Azns' to the old standards too. Seeing as how we actually make good use of the educations we can afford...

516 3 wood  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:36:11am

re: #511 MandyManners

Why did home values shoot up so high over the past few years?

Increased demand cause of the easy money available to buy them, and overly optimistic appraisals.

517 Born Again Republican  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:38:42am

re: #492 yma o hyd

Pets really are allowed in heaven! I had a dear elderly friend who was ill and near the end of her life. One day I was sitting with her and she ask me how her dog came to be sitting by her. Her dog had died many years ago. I didn't know what to say and certainly didn't see a dog. Betty died within the next 2 days. I've since heard people near death often see their loved ones my their sides. Beautiful thought that God sends guides at this time.

518 FrogMarch  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:38:49am

What Obama would be like as persident

when asked about President Jimmy Carter’s description of a positive meeting with leaders of the Islamist Palestinian group Hamas.
Obama says:
"Why can't I just eat my waffle?"


old news that should never be forgotten.

519 lifeofthemind  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:39:07am

Everybody knows that moment in a restaurant when you are over the line from mediocre service to a truly terrible experience. You have sat there to long, you are already into a drink or the bread, you know you should have already left. Then you finally get the waiter’s attention and they reply with something rude or even vulgar. They have already “Blown the tip.” They know it, you know it, you know they know it. At that point they have no reason to restrain their conduct. Any money they collect is a pure unearned gain. Their costs are already sunk. The Democrats are in the same position. They have already nominated an unqualified, race baiting extremist tied to extraordinarily corrupt financial manipulators. Their tools in the media have already participated in a campaign of slander and fraud so breathtaking as to lay them open to legal liability. They have already engaged in a pattern of intimidation and abuse and thuggery unseen in America in decades. At this point the Democrats have nothing to lose.

520 ibmkeyboard  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:40:05am

re: #502 realwest

Oh yeah, I well remember the late 80's early 90's I personally helped put over 30 CEO's and Presidents of Savings and Loans and Federally Chartered Savings banks in Jail - unfortunately usually only for about 2+1/2 years but with full restitution to either the RTC or the FDIC.
crooks ran those small ($400 to $600 million dollars) banks like their own personal candy store.


Good on you real-
At least some of our tax monies went for a good cause.

Even if they got cable t vs and exercise gyms and catered foods and .......

Too bad we don't put them in monkey cages and beat them with bamboo sticks. But we are civilized.

521 3 wood  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:42:06am

re: #512 MandyManners

Yet whites are still held to the old standards?

Pretty much. Almost everyone today can get themselves declared a "protected class", about the only ones who can't are white males under 40 with no disabilities.

I had one kid come to me wit a note from the school admin that this young man had a "learning disability", and his accomodation was that I had to let him take as long as he wanted to take the same test the rest of the class had 30 minutes to take. It basically guaranteed he would pass the class.

I'm not kidding.

522 leftover54  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:42:32am

re: #89 Dark_Falcon

ORrrrrrrr, it may mean he steps down and is replaced by Shrillary - I think this is what was meant by "uh-oh"
(if I may be so presumptive)

523 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:43:56am

re: #521 3 wood

Pretty much. Almost everyone today can get themselves declared a "protected class", about the only ones who can't are white males under 40 with no disabilities.

I had one kid come to me wit a note from the school admin that this young man had a "learning disability", and his accomodation was that I had to let him take as long as he wanted to take the same test the rest of the class had 30 minutes to take. It basically guaranteed he would pass the class.

I'm not kidding.

There is an important difference between "extended time" and "unlimited time." I wonder whether you can have that accommodation modified.

524 Geepers  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:44:15am

This is hysterical.

Media Bias? What Media Bias?

Let's see, I count eight for Biden, eight for Palin. Yup, overwhelmingly Biden won.

525 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:45:01am

re: #500 AMER1CAN
Nice. And then there's this little misdirection from AP:

Ayers is a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago. He and Obama live in Chicago's Hyde Park neighborhood and served together on the board of the Woods Fund, a Chicago-based charity that develops community groups to help the poor. Obama left the board in December 2002.


A) no mention of the fact that the group Ayers co-founded, the SDS Weather Underground MURDERED PEOPLE, nor that Ayer's ever so charming wife, Bernadine Dohrn was indicted for the MURDER of one person and the pemanent blinding by another but didn't get convicted because almost most of the evidence against her was from co-conspirators
B) as late as 2001 Ayers proudly stood on top of an American Flag and as recently as 2007 said he not only didn't regret what they did back then, but wished they'd set off more bombsC) Obama and Ayers served as two out of 3 members of the board of that organization for over 10 years - so those board meetings musta been by telephone for Obama not to "Know" Billy Ayers very well, huh?
D) Obama's campaign for the US Presidency was kicked off by either a 1) coffee and danish meeting with a bunch of influential people or 2) a champagne dinner party/ fund raiser, depending on whether or not you believe Obama or Ayers.
The Associated (With Terrorists) Press is doing all IT can to get Obama elected but I firmly believe that the truth will come out and folks will understand EXACTLY what Obama believes about Ayers and Dorhn.
BTW, did you notice that all stories about Palin's comments left out anything at all about Dohrn? Guess her federal indictment for MURDER doesn't count as far as the AP is concerned. I hope McCain HAMMMERS Obama with this shit - gets the truth out there, cause the fucking AP isn't interested in the truth, that's evident.

526 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:47:06am

re: #482 MandyManners

Sadly, many people just don't have the intelligence/experience to understand economics.

But it doesn't even take that much intelligence (or experience) to understand economics. I'm hardly the brightest bulb in the box ... I was a very average student. It's just grade school math.

527 laZardo  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:49:58am

re: #525 realwest

Even though I believe what happened in Vietnam was wrong, I still do not and will not condone things like what Ayers did to "protest" against it. It makes them just as bad as the people they claim to be protesting against.

/that's not Obama-speak for once, that's my actual thoughts.

528 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:50:09am

re: #517 Born Again Republican

Pets really are allowed in heaven! I had a dear elderly friend who was ill and near the end of her life. One day I was sitting with her and she ask me how her dog came to be sitting by her. Her dog had died many years ago. I didn't know what to say and certainly didn't see a dog. Betty died within the next 2 days. I've since heard people near death often see their loved ones my their sides. Beautiful thought that God sends guides at this time.

What a wonderful thing!

Thanks for telling us about this.

/I wonder who will meet Obama as his guide?

529 Geepers  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:51:36am

Morning realwest.

530 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:53:04am

re: #515 laZardo

They just "downgraded" us 'Azns' to the old standards too. Seeing as how we actually make good use of the educations we can afford...

So, only some minorities are protected?

531 akak  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:53:41am

re: #472 3 wood

Now the Germans have their banking headaches:

Crisis talks to save German bank
In Europe, they are just starting to respond, and because of their structure they have a lot fewer tools at their disposal options to deal with this.
I think we will have a recession for 6 to 9 months and then start coming out of it if no other major bad things happen here (such as Obama winning and raising taxes). But Europe will be in a tough situation for a long time to come.

Liverpool chief executive Rick Parry has insisted the club's new stadium will still be built - but only after the current financial turmoil stabilises.

[Link: soccernet.espn.go.com...]

532 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:53:41am

re: #516 3 wood

Increased demand cause of the easy money available to buy them, and overly optimistic appraisals.

Makes sense.

533 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:53:47am

Memo to McCain Campaign:

Get more people on TV. The Obamatons are spinning like crazy. Answer the BS "he was just 8" talking points.

And do it now.

/Back to your regularly scheduled program, now in progress.

534 laZardo  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:55:38am

re: #530 MandyManners

More like they expect minorities to perform like minorities should. [expletive deleted] racists...

535 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:55:47am

Time to get ready for church. Have a great day, Lizards!

536 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:56:07am

re: #507 lifeofthemind
Good morning my friend! I don't disagree with you about Judicial Activism, but what Brown V Board of Education did was, among other things, put an end to the Jim Crow segregation laws in the South (and North) by declaring that - at least in the field of public education, you couldn't have "seperate but equal" black only and white only schools, because seperate was inherently unequal - and fwiw, the SCOTUS was spot on in that ruling.
Also SCOTUS was responsible for the forcing the end of "literacy" tests that guys like Senator Byrd (D-Stupid) loved because a bunch of White guys down south "tested" Black people to see if they could read before they'd allow them to vote. And even if they could, those White Men often said "nope, can't read, can't vote, next."
A hellofalot of the Black Rage that is still felt by Black Americans these days isn't from their great great ancestors being slaves, it's from their parents and grandparents being treated as less than human beings by the White - almost exclusively DEMOCRATIC - power structure down South and the less blatant discrimination up North that existed through WWII - hell even the Army was segregated until Korea.

537 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:57:01am

re: #519 lifeofthemind

Everybody knows that moment in a restaurant when you are over the line from mediocre service to a truly terrible experience. You have sat there to long, you are already into a drink or the bread, you know you should have already left. Then you finally get the waiter’s attention and they reply with something rude or even vulgar. They have already “Blown the tip.” They know it, you know it, you know they know it. At that point they have no reason to restrain their conduct. Any money they collect is a pure unearned gain. Their costs are already sunk. The Democrats are in the same position. They have already nominated an unqualified, race baiting extremist tied to extraordinarily corrupt financial manipulators. Their tools in the media have already participated in a campaign of slander and fraud so breathtaking as to lay them open to legal liability. They have already engaged in a pattern of intimidation and abuse and thuggery unseen in America in decades. At this point the Democrats have nothing to lose.

Too bad it's harder to fire the Democrats than it is a shitty waiter.

538 doriangrey  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:57:21am

Good morning Lizards.... Morning realwest... ((goddess))

539 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:57:57am

re: #521 3 wood

Pretty much. Almost everyone today can get themselves declared a "protected class", about the only ones who can't are white males under 40 with no disabilities.

I had one kid come to me wit a note from the school admin that this young man had a "learning disability", and his accomodation was that I had to let him take as long as he wanted to take the same test the rest of the class had 30 minutes to take. It basically guaranteed he would pass the class.

I'm not kidding.

ADD or ADHD?

540 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:58:25am

re: #514 3 wood
Hey congratulations! LOL! For two months today? Not too glad to retire, eh?! LOL!

541 AMER1CAN  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:58:25am

re: #525 realwest

Misdirection, indeed. And that's putting it lightly. These media outlets are "all chips in" for Obama, that's clear.

542 FrogMarch  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:59:18am

re: #524 Geepers

This is hysterical.

Media Bias? What Media Bias?

Let's see, I count eight for Biden, eight for Palin. Yup, overwhelmingly Biden won.

CNN is a joke. so a 11/12 -12/13 spread is "overwhelming"? Soladet is yet another unprofessional in the tank journalist.

543 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 6:59:22am

re: #526 Tigger2005

But it doesn't even take that much intelligence (or experience) to understand economics. I'm hardly the brightest bulb in the box ... I was a very average student. It's just grade school math.

Some don't understand even that.

544 DeafDog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:00:06am

re: #517 Born Again Republican

Pets really are allowed in heaven! I had a dear elderly friend who was ill and near the end of her life. One day I was sitting with her and she ask me how her dog came to be sitting by her. Her dog had died many years ago. I didn't know what to say and certainly didn't see a dog. Betty died within the next 2 days. I've since heard people near death often see their loved ones my their sides. Beautiful thought that God sends guides at this time.


Goodmorning, all. Sorry for butting into your conversation, but the question of whther dogs have souls is a classic

Zen Question to ponder while you meditate

"A monk asked Chao-chou, "Has the dog Buddha nature or not?" Chao-chou said, "Mu.""

545 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:00:32am

re: #520 ibmkeyboard
Good morning my friend - yeah, well at least as far as the bamboo sticks are concerned! But Monkey cages woulda been ok with me!
How are you today?

546 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:00:35am

re: #534 laZardo

More like they expect minorities to perform like minorities should. [expletive deleted] racists...

What's the phrase a Lizard uses, the tyranny of soft expectations?

547 FrogMarch  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:00:37am

re: #537 MandyManners

Too bad it's harder to fire the corrupt Democrats than it is a shitty waiter.

fixed.

548 yma o hyd  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:00:57am

re: #499 goddessoftheclassroom

{yma o hyd}

I've had to wrestle with the whole "animals don't have souls" canard.

My conclusions:
1. No where in the Bible does it say this. If I missed it, please point it out to me,
2. God is love and love is of God. Our pets LOVE us, and therefore they are of God, and all that is God's own return to Him.
3. We give our pets a bit of our souls, and that's got to be enough.

You're right on all counts - how else would someone like St Francis of Assisi have been able to talk of his little brethren? How else would we have the Psalms singing about all Creation praising the Lord?
It was descartes, iirc, who decided that animals don't ahve souls and are like mechanisms, unable to feel pain. Too many people have bought into that mindset.

Btw - that story was sent to me by a strict baptist, after my Big Dog died, and we discussed not just the question of animals having souls but also if they'd be there after the resurrection.
We all thought so ...

I so hope you recall all the good and funny memories of that part of the way you saherd with your dog!

549 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:01:46am

re: #524 Geepers
Hey Geepers! How are you today? I've missed seeing you around!

550 leftover54  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:02:04am

re: #460 Stonemason

Well, think about it - you have a financial "expert" approving the loan. How many people substitute their own judgment for the professionals ? If they say you can afford it ...
Flawed thinking I know but I do understand how it can happen. We're so accustomed to thinking the banks are tight that "we" sweat out the approval process (I'm a "renter" myself). Then you get the call "Hello Mr/Mrs Smith, your mortgage has been approved" - whadda ya think most people would do ? How often do you think a loan officer hears this:
"The wife/hubby and I have been thinking it over, we're going to pass on the mortgage, thanks anyhow for your time". Not !

551 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:02:20am

re: #536 realwest

A hellofalot of the Black Rage that is still felt by Black Americans these days isn't from their great great ancestors being slaves, it's from their parents and grandparents being treated as less than human beings

Many of us forget this.

552 3 wood  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:02:56am

re: #523 goddessoftheclassroom

There is an important difference between "extended time" and "unlimited time." I wonder whether you can have that accommodation modified.

He got as much time as he wanted.

553 DeafDog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:02:57am

re: #527 laZardo

I would disagree. America's desire to help in Vietnam was a good.humanitarian thing.

What was 'wrong' was the way we abandoned folks to an awful fate in Vietnam and Cambodia.

554 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:02:58am

re: #527 laZardo

Even though I believe what happened in Vietnam was wrong, I still do not and will not condone things like what Ayers did to "protest" against it. It makes them just as bad as the people they claim to be protesting against.

/that's not Obama-speak for once, that's my actual thoughts.

What was wrong with what happened in Vietnam?

I mean, I'm cool with the Vietnamese wanting to kick the French colonialists out. All well and good. But lots of Vietnamese did not want their country taken over by a Marxist revolutionary supported by Russia and China either. South Vietnamese troops fought bravely with American troops, and the South Vietnamese people did not rise up to fight with the NVA and the VietCong during the Tet offensive, as the North Vietnamese thought they would.

We did not force our aid on the South Vietnamese. They clearly did not want to be taken over by Communists backed by outside powers, and they accepted our help. The saga of the "boat people" following the war graphically lllustrates this.

The only "wrong" things that happened in Vietnam were:

*That we used bombing as a bargaining chip, playing games with the lives of our troops

* That we did not defeat an enemy that was on the brink of defeat after devastating losses during and following Tet

*That we retreated before victory was achieved

*That we then completely abandoned our ally morally, financially, and militarily

555 DistantThunder  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:03:47am

OMG

I sent my Santa Cruz brother The Thomas Sowell article and even printed out his entire biography Harvard - Cornell - Stanford - 90 articles in professional journals.

And this is what he wrote back:

Hi Susan,

How can anyone believe any of this ?

One article you sent me said Dodd was 3rd highest

reciever of contribuitions from FannieM. This last
article
you sent said Dodd was #1 reciever.

Which is it, and does it matter ?

> Robert

OMG OMG OMG - I'm going to be sick.

556 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:03:57am

I always knew my buyer was going to have a problem with understanding much about a mortgage loan when they asked..."What's P.I.T.I?"

Remember, we were just the guy doing the selling, not the mortgage broker.

And, not much later, after explaining P.I.T.I., "What's PMI?"

Some local banks doing mortgage lending here would require the buyer to do a 3-hour course and pass before giving a loan.

What a grand idea!

557 3 wood  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:04:16am

re: #526 Tigger2005

I

'm hardly the brightest bulb in the box ... I was a very average student. It's just grade school math.

I would add that you also have to have an ability to perceive reality fairly clearly.

558 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:04:35am

Good morning all!

Coffee anyone?

559 doriangrey  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:05:43am

re: #558 reine.de.tout

Good morning all!

Coffee anyone?

Coffee... did you say Coffee.... Why certainly.... thx... ;)

560 3 wood  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:06:10am

re: #539 MandyManners

ADD or ADHD?

Cubs fan.

No, I'm kidding. I don't know, the note did not say. Just that due to a learning disability he got as long as we wanted to take any tests.

561 3 wood  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:07:20am
Hey congratulations! LOL! For two months today? Not too glad to retire, eh?! LOL!

Well, that next career can come along anytime it wants to now. I think I've rested up enough.

562 DeafDog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:07:31am

re: #554 Tigger2005

yup!

563 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:07:40am

re: #554 Tigger2005

What was wrong with what happened in Vietnam?

I mean, I'm cool with the Vietnamese wanting to kick the French colonialists out. All well and good. But lots of Vietnamese did not want their country taken over by a Marxist revolutionary supported by Russia and China either. South Vietnamese troops fought bravely with American troops, and the South Vietnamese people did not rise up to fight with the NVA and the VietCong during the Tet offensive, as the North Vietnamese thought they would.

We did not force our aid on the South Vietnamese. They clearly did not want to be taken over by Communists backed by outside powers, and they accepted our help. The saga of the "boat people" following the war graphically lllustrates this.

The only "wrong" things that happened in Vietnam were:

*That we used bombing as a bargaining chip, playing games with the lives of our troops

* That we did not defeat an enemy that was on the brink of defeat after devastating losses during and following Tet

*That we retreated before victory was achieved

*That we then completely abandoned our ally morally, financially, and militarily

Goodness...just a few changes to a few of the words and it's alarmingly deja vu.

/We MUST NOT let Obama win this!

564 yma o hyd  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:07:58am

re: #517 Born Again Republican

Pets really are allowed in heaven! I had a dear elderly friend who was ill and near the end of her life. One day I was sitting with her and she ask me how her dog came to be sitting by her. Her dog had died many years ago. I didn't know what to say and certainly didn't see a dog. Betty died within the next 2 days. I've since heard people near death often see their loved ones my their sides. Beautiful thought that God sends guides at this time.

That is amazing! But I don't doubt this either. A long time ago, my father was dying and when the phone went I just knew this was my brother telling me it was all over. Between picking up the receiver and putting it to my ear - I had this flash vision of my father walking away over the clouds, the two dogs he had in life walking on his left side, the two bitches he'd had walking on his right side.
Experiences like that of your friend should teach us all that God's love is far far greater than we can even begin to imagine, never mind try to explain ...

565 laZardo  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:09:24am

re: #553 DeafDog

It's ironic then that it was HCM's Vietnamese that drove out the Khmers.

re: #554 Tigger2005

My objections to Vietnam are mainly based on your first asterisk point. Apparently whoever was managing the campaign there had a whole stack of "bargaining chips" to wager, at the cost of a lot of photo fodder. Achieving victory with those tactics would have gotten all of Southeast Asia up in arms, and not in the non-violent sense that happened round here in 1986...

566 lifeofthemind  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:09:51am

re: #536 realwest

Oh I agree with all of that. My point is that Judges and Lawyers like Brown because it set a new standard for evidence. If you had brought a socialogists report before Learned Hand he would have bonked you on the head with his gavel. It is my belief that the actual statistical evidence used in Brown was sketchy by modern standards. Some time back I did a long post someplace, probably an ID thread, about how Aquinas compromised christian doctrine by basing his defense of it on the logic of Aristotle. Basing Judicial principles on statistical theory is also a risky concept. Plessey v. Fergusson should have been overturned on its own lack of merit.

567 3 wood  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:09:56am

re: #549 realwest

Email on it's way to you.

568 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:10:12am

re: #560 3 wood

Cubs fan.

No, I'm kidding. I don't know, the note did not say. Just that due to a learning disability he got as long as we wanted to take any tests.

You probably couldn't have even asked him for fear of getting sued.

569 lawhawk  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:11:03am

re: #500 AMER1CAN

Indeed, the Times and other media outlets are trying to downplay the seriousness of the Weather underground terrorists. The bomb that killed Ayers wife and two fellow terrorists was meant to be detonated at Fort Dix. Ayers repeatedly downplays the violence his group took, even though he and his cohorts were busy trying to blow up buildings, kill judges and their families, and take other actions that would result in injuries and death.

Let's also not forget the Brinks armored car heist that resulted in the death of two policemen and a security guard at teh Nanuet Mall in Rockland County NY. That attack was hoped to bankroll further attacks against the country, both by the Black Liberation Army and a bunch of Weather Underground terrorists.

These terrorists are unrepentant about their past, but are doing much to hide in plain sight - taking on jobs in academia where the leftists ignore the terror ties because they really love the radicalism that they bring.

More on the media bias here in Palin's attack on Obama and the Ayers link.

570 yma o hyd  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:11:57am

re: #525 realwest

Hi {rw}!

I'm glad you've brought Dohrn into this.

Having just finished Horowitz' 'Radical Son', it seems to me that she is not just keeping studiously in the background, but that we're probably overlooking her influence on Obama and Michelle.
It might be even greater than that of Ayers, who is of course more in the public eye.

Would be good if some Lizards could find out more about my suspicion ...

571 DeafDog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:12:57am

re: #556 gettinby


I bought my house back in 2000. I had to submit a mountain of paperwork to get financing. The banker made sure that all of the 't's were crossed and the 'i's were doted. In 2002, I refinanced....another mountain of paperwork. Another 5 trips to the bank because of various missing documentation.

In 2007, I decided to get a home equity loan. This time, I came prepared with my mountain of paperwork. The banker said I could just tell them how much I make and that I could take all of my paperwork home. They didn't need it.

....go figure.

572 Geepers  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:13:42am

realwest (#549),

Hey Geepers! How are you today? I've missed seeing you around!

I'm good thanks. Finally got all four of my root canals out of the way so I'm not in constant pain anymore which is a good thing. And the insurance company said they'd pay to have a new roof put on the house (most of which blew away in the wake of Ike), also a good thing. :-)

How are you and your mom doing?

573 FrogMarch  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:13:54am

Why is McCain so polite? Don't tell people what you are about to do - just do it.

574 yma o hyd  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:13:59am

re: #537 MandyManners

Too bad it's harder to fire the Democrats than it is a shitty waiter.

Aren't the Dem representatives all up for election?
Should people not make a huge effort to get them out?
Or is the pork just too too important?

575 yochanan  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:14:06am

re: #554 Tigger2005

during the TET OFFENSIVE the commies murdered 10,000's of civilians in areas they were able to take over even for short periods of time. often meany of them were even leftists esp independent lefts. as the left wing intellengencia is the first class to get purged after the communists take over even before the capitalist class. the useful idiots get purged first as they are offen the idealists who later turn on the communists when they discover too late that they have been sold a bill of goods, Recently i listened on a link in here were a x-kgb defector told exactly what they did to prepare for these kind of purges something they spent a great deal of time makeing up the lists of people who would be shot.

576 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:14:49am

re: #569 lawhawk

Let's also not forget the Brinks armored car heist that resulted in the death of two policemen and a security guard at teh Nanuet Mall in Rockland County NY. That attack was hoped to bankroll further attacks against the country, both by the Black Liberation Army and a bunch of Weather Underground terrorists.

There was a L&O episode about this a while back.

577 lifeofthemind  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:15:48am

re: #564 yma o hyd

That is amazing! But I don't doubt this either. A long time ago, my father was dying and when the phone went I just knew this was my brother telling me it was all over. Between picking up the receiver and putting it to my ear - I had this flash vision of my father walking away over the clouds, the two dogs he had in life walking on his left side, the two bitches he'd had walking on his right side.
Experiences like that of your friend should teach us all that God's love is far far greater than we can even begin to imagine, never mind try to explain ...

My Father passed away 4 months ago. The last clear y spoken and alert thing he said was in answer to my asking if he knew who was there. He opened his eyes looked right at me and clear as bell asked the dog's name.

578 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:17:07am

re: #571 DeafDog

I got my first mortgage in 1991. It was a bitch. I put 20 percent down on a house we bought for $180k. The week before I had opened up a Nordstrom account and bought a pair of shoes on it for $100 (formal dress shoes). That one item almost got me disqualified as being overextended. We had to carry Private Mortgage Insurance at the time.

We refinanced 3 times, each time at a better rate.

Today the house is almost paid for (the one I am in right now).

579 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:17:33am

re: #570 yma o hyd

Hi {rw}!

I'm glad you've brought Dohrn into this.

Having just finished Horowitz' 'Radical Son', it seems to me that she is not just keeping studiously in the background, but that we're probably overlooking her influence on Obama and Michelle.
It might be even greater than that of Ayers, who is of course more in the public eye.

Would be good if some Lizards could find out more about my suspicion ...


[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

[Link: www.discoverthenetworks.org...]

580 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:19:03am

re: #527 laZardo
Well to tell you the truth, I was for Vietnam before I got there. Ya know, the idea that we were saving a "fledgling democracy" from being over-run by Commies. Then I got there and discovered -ok,I was a slow learner - that I'd guess a majority of the South Vietnamese didn't view US Troops as good guys being there to help them with their "democracy" - SV was run by a group of blood related or power related cronies who ripped off US Aid for all it was worth and everywhere GI's went, the VC would be sure to show up a day to four or five days afterwards and murder the village chiefs for cooperating with us.
In my narrow range of experience, the overwhelming majority of South Vietnamese didn't want us there, they just wanted to be left alone by us and by the commies.
But Billy boy Ayers wasn't against the war for any such reason- he just got off on being "dangerous" and a latter day "Robin Hood" or "Jesse James" type - he wanted the adulation of those around him and some of "his" people in fact committed stick ups and armored car robberies to finance "the Revolution" - during the course of one of which a guard was shot to death and one of the "activists" involved was convicted of murder - one Kathy Boudin, who's child Billy Ayers and his ever so charming wife Bernadine Dohrn raised for her while she was in jail.
All Y'all ought to go to this link: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...] before it gets "sanitized".

But, my friend, I MUST disagree with your statment that "It makes them just as bad as the people they claim to be protesting against." cause they were protesting against the "establishment" which included me and my brothers in arms. Ayers was a poseur with delusions of grandeur who came from a wealthy family (as did Dorhn, iirc) and was "insulated" from having to serve in the Army, and who, I have NO DOUBT still see's himself as a "revolutionary" fighting against the United States of America and all it stands for - but this time instead of bombs that go "BOOM" and kill people, his vehicle for achieving his revolution is Barack Obama.

581 yah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:19:13am

Yesterday am I wrote about my kitty I had to put to sleep and that sometimes I can feel him still jumping on the foot of my bed. I had never told my husband this as I thought he would just give me one of those "I love you honey but you're crazy" looks. Very down to earth man.
Anyway, I thought how come I can tell complete strangers this and not someone I am close too?
I decided to tell him what I felt. He got all excited and told me that the other night he felt Baby, our other cat snuggled up sleeping next to him. He went to pet her, but there was nothing there!

582 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:19:15am

re: #579 MandyManners

From the latter link:

Professor Dorhn has been a commencement speaker at several university graduations, including California's prestigious Pitzer College, where in 2004 she told the graduates: "During your student years here, the shredded economy and loss of jobs, the consequences of deregulation and devolution that bankrupted state and local governments, the relentless punishment and imprisoning of over two million people in America, flagrant corporate plunder and criminality, rolling blackouts, the apparently permanent war on terrorism, the shock and awe occupation of Iraq, systematic and degrading detention without trial, torture and extra-judicial assassinations, and the establishment of a crescent of new U.S. military bases across the Middle East and South Asia -- all have transformed whatever blissful illusions were harbored as you entered college."

583 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:19:34am

I saw a front page article on the NYT on the topic of Ayers yesterday. I did not buy it, but thought it must have been somehow a puff piece.

584 DeafDog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:20:34am

re: #565 laZardo

Ironic indeed. The situation did not need to unfold the way it did.

585 3 wood  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:20:38am

re: #568 MandyManners

You probably couldn't have even asked him for fear of getting sued.

That is 100% correct. It was an order, no maybe about it.

586 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:21:10am

re: #574 yma o hyd

Aren't the Dem representatives all up for election?
Should people not make a huge effort to get them out?
Or is the pork just too too important?

Selling our souls for a new road?

587 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:21:43am

re: #571 DeafDog

I bought my house back in 2000. I had to submit a mountain of paperwork to get financing. The banker made sure that all of the 't's were crossed and the 'i's were doted. In 2002, I refinanced....another mountain of paperwork. Another 5 trips to the bank because of various missing documentation.

In 2007, I decided to get a home equity loan. This time, I came prepared with my mountain of paperwork. The banker said I could just tell them how much I make and that I could take all of my paperwork home. They didn't need it.

....go figure.

THAT would be the loan and loan docts I would take a hard look at!

/Of course, I'll betcha you've a pretty good credit score?

588 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:21:50am

re: #538 doriangrey
Good morning dorian - how ya feeling this morning?

589 yma o hyd  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:22:36am

Oh oh oh!
Lizards may remember that I wrote a complaint to the BBC about their biased reporting. Well, just now - and on a Sunday, too! - I got this reply, which for its management speak alone deserves to be laughed out of court:

"Thank you for your email about BBC News.

I understand you feel that our coverage of politics in America has been biased against the Republican Party candidate John McCain and that on this occasion coverage of the US government economic package gave more attention to his Democrat Party rival, Barack Obama.

We're committed to coverage of events in the US which is scrupulously impartial, fair, accurate, balanced, independent and covers a wide range of opinion. Across our programming we have tried to explain how the current economic downturn started and has since developed and given air-time to representatives from across the political spectrum.

The choice of news stories to report in our programmes is frequently very difficult however. Editorial staff always have more news reports than can be fitted into the time available. The time given to each issue or report has much to do with whether it's news that's just come in and needs immediate coverage, how unusual it is and how much national interest there is in the subject matter. The choice has to be selective and no matter how carefully such decisions are made, news editors are always aware that some people may disagree with them. Such decisions are based on what is newsworthy however and not because of any bias.

I appreciate that you may continue to feel differently and I've registered your complaint on our audience log. This is the internal report of audience feedback which we compile daily for all programme makers and news teams within the BBC, and also their senior management. It ensures that your points, and all other comments we receive, are circulated and considered across the Corporation.

Thank you again for taking the time to contact us with your concerns.

Regards

Barry Graham
BBC Complaints
__________________________________________
[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

That took them ten days to fabricate - ahem, to paste the text blocs into an e-mail.

Not impressed! Not at all impressed!

590 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:23:25am

re: #551 MandyManners
Morning Mandy - that's why I posted it!

591 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:23:47am

re: #585 3 wood

That is 100% correct. It was an order, no maybe about it.

Did anyone other than the doctor know what the LD was?

592 3 wood  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:24:16am

re: #578 rawmuse

I bought my first house in 1988 for $62,000 with 10% down. It was a beat uo 3 bedroom ranch in a not real good neighborhood, but it was what I could afford.

I spent the next 5 years fixing the place up.

I sold that house for a minor profit (aftera all my fix up costs) and own the house I then bought.

I am so glad to not have a mortgage payment today. That is one reason why I can be retired and not absolutely have to work.

593 yah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:24:55am

re: #575 yochanan

I can't understand why all these intellectuals don't realize they will be eliminated when their usefulness is over. Maybe you should post this at some of their websites.

594 pingjockey  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:25:03am

Mornin' all!

595 doriangrey  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:25:04am

re: #588 realwest

Good morning dorian - how ya feeling this morning?

Slowly but surely things are getting better... It's the slowly part that is bugging the hell out of me... lol...lol...lol...

596 3 wood  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:25:28am

re: #591 MandyManners

Did anyone other than the doctor know what the LD was?

School nurse.

597 lifeofthemind  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:26:15am

re: #589 yma o hyd

Think of the waste. They could have have sent you an email reading, "insert boilerplate #12"

598 doriangrey  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:26:36am

re: #594 pingjockey

Mornin' all!

Good morning ping...

599 yma o hyd  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:27:13am

re: #577 lifeofthemind

I am so sorry to hear about your loss.

But again - your story shows (to me, at least!) that the Legend of the Rainbow Bridge reflects these reports: our pets waiting there to welcome us when its time for us to go, waiting this side of Paradise ...

Thank you for sharing this with us.

{lifeofthemind}

600 laZardo  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:28:26am

re: #580 realwest

Note the word "claim." They were not orchestrating plots against the (NOTE THE QUOTES) "ordinary men and women who were forced to serve evil interests" but the administrations that "forced" them to do so. I don't doubt that Viet Vets here served honorably under the circumstances, I just do not believe the intentions of the higher-ups as well as the way they were put into action were as "noble" as some here make it. Thankfully, many of the factors that led to atrocities appear to have been corrected in the Iraq campaign (note how it's the insurgents/terrorists whose civilian slaughters are turning opinion against THEM, not US forces).

Campaigns such as Vietnam were part of U.S. Cold War policy to prop up dictators (e.g. our own Ferdie and Imelda) against dictators Russia propped up, such as in the Warsaw Pact satellite states and Cuba. Exactly how democracy prevailed in the end particularly in the old Warsaw Pact area is really beyond me.

601 DeafDog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:29:05am

re: #587 gettinby

THAT would be the loan and loan docts I would take a hard look at!

/Of course, I'll betcha you've a pretty good credit score?

Yeah, my credit is good (I'm one of those who prefers to pay cash for everything).

My point was that there was a huge change in Bankers' attitudes. Maybe it was because I had a good record over the previous 7 years, but the difference was surprising.

602 FrogMarch  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:29:42am

Dude, where's my bailout?

I really like the socialism t-shirt.

603 Born Again Republican  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:29:51am

Set your alarm clocks for 2pm this afternoon. Fox News is replaying their special "Saving Our Economy: What's Next?" A must watch!

604 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:30:20am

re: #554 Tigger2005
A lot of what you say is true, but I believe that the fact is that the US reneged on Free Elections as to whether or not the North and South of Vietnam should have been united - because Ho Chi Minh was SO POPULAR with Vietnamese north and south, that we feared he would win.
I don't think Ho was a died in the wool commie, he just came around to that way of thinking after a lot of indoctrination from the Soviets who were his primary support in his war of unification - and that IS what the North Vietnamese called it, as well as the Viet Cong - more or less indigenous to the South of Vietnam.
IIRC, our government did a poll before the elections and discovered that Uncle Ho would have won in a landslide so we called off the elections. Moreover, while we did indeed abandon the South Vietnamese, the Nungs, Montengyards and the Camobodians to the tender mercies of the North Vietnamese, it was the DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS who denied the South the aid and equipment they needed and had been promised by President Nixon.
That war was extremely complicated, but I believe that for the North it was a war to get back "their Nation" and for an awful lot of the South Vietnamese, it was a war to see how long they could keep looting their own nation.

605 pingjockey  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:30:20am

I refinanced our house in August. I didn't get any breaks on paper work. Had a pile that would choke a horse and they climbed up my ass with a giant proctoscope to ensure I had the proper quals to get it done. Now maybe this is because I am a white male, Retired Navy, haven't lived anywhere else for over 10 years, etc... I must've been an iffy risk!

606 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:31:40am

My secretary's grandmother is in advanced stage of Alzheimers. She truly does not know any of her immediate family anymore.

Yet, when her old German Shepherd comes up to her and she pets it, she knows its name.

Speaking of grandmothers, where is galloping granny?

607 DeafDog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:32:17am

re: #589 yma o hyd

It's mildly impressive that they answered you at all. I would figure that any complaint of bias would go straight to the proverbial circular file.

.....Just looking for the silver lining in the cloud.

608 yma o hyd  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:32:45am

re: #579 MandyManners

Thanks for the links, mandy - duly bookmarked!
I think you also ahve one where it says that she and Michelle were working at the same law firm, before Obama got there and was mentored by Michelle.
I'm sure that she is much more influential in the background than we think or have seen, or has been reported. I have the creepy feeling that Ayers is more the 'front man' while she pulls the strings, same as Michelle props up Obama ...

609 FrogMarch  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:33:35am

A sea of these at a McCain/Palin rally would be good.

610 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:34:41am

re: #596 3 wood

School nurse.

I wonder how many out there really don't have an LD. Mind you, I don't mean to take anything away from those who truly have an LD but, couldn't it be a good racket?

611 FrogMarch  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:35:05am
612 yochanan  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:35:10am

one of the reasons for the explosion of 'learning disable boys' is that the current school system is very anti male, normal boys learn differently than girls the current school system is set up for females and feminized boys. It is not just in minority boys but in boys in general but it shows up the most in minority males. the failure rate in the Chicago public 'skool' system for males is about 50% with minority student have an even worse rate than that Asian and white students do better but even there the failure rate is way too high. I think it is close to 55% the % of females in the freshman college class. Just think if it were the other way around the liberals and feminists would be up in arms.

613 yma o hyd  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:35:46am

re: #581 yah

Yesterday am I wrote about my kitty I had to put to sleep and that sometimes I can feel him still jumping on the foot of my bed. I had never told my husband this as I thought he would just give me one of those "I love you honey but you're crazy" looks. Very down to earth man.
Anyway, I thought how come I can tell complete strangers this and not someone I am close too?
I decided to tell him what I felt. He got all excited and told me that the other night he felt Baby, our other cat snuggled up sleeping next to him. He went to pet her, but there was nothing there!

That is lovely - and just goes to show that those who truly love their pets still have that connection - be they ever such down to earth men!

Makes me think we should all talk about these things much more openly. Those who scoff are losing out on an important aspect of life.

614 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:36:11am

re: #559 doriangrey
Coffee? Why [Link: www.imeem.com...]
just cause I know you'll like this!

615 laZardo  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:36:34am

re: #612 yochanan

one of the reasons for the explosion of 'learning disable boys' is that the current school system is very anti male, normal boys learn differently than girls the current school system is set up for females and feminized boys.

That must explain why the "emo" trend just won't go away.

/HRRRRRRGH EMOS URGE RISING etc.

616 yma o hyd  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:37:18am

re: #582 MandyManners

Thats what she teaches opnely - do you really think she is tamely letting Ayers steer and indoctrinate Obama, on his own?

I don't think so!

617 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:37:56am

re: #608 yma o hyd

Thanks for the links, mandy - duly bookmarked!
I think you also ahve one where it says that she and Michelle were working at the same law firm, before Obama got there and was mentored by Michelle.
I'm sure that she is much more influential in the background than we think or have seen, or has been reported. I have the creepy feeling that Ayers is more the 'front man' while she pulls the strings, same as Michelle props up Obama ...

WAB and BHO were working for Sidley Austin when they met. I'm gonna' google Dohrn and Sidley Austin. You, too? Let's see what we can find.

618 yma o hyd  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:38:58am

re: #597 lifeofthemind

Think of the waste. They could have have sent you an email reading, "insert boilerplate #12"

Exactly!
And it would have been faster, as well!

619 abolitionist  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:39:37am

re: #575 yochanan

during the TET OFFENSIVE the commies murdered 10,000's of civilians in areas they were able to take over even for short periods of time. often meany of them were even leftists esp independent lefts. as the left wing intellengencia is the first class to get purged after the communists take over even before the capitalist class. the useful idiots get purged first as they are offen the idealists who later turn on the communists when they discover too late that they have been sold a bill of goods, Recently i listened on a link in here were a x-kgb defector told exactly what they did to prepare for these kind of purges something they spent a great deal of time makeing up the lists of people who would be shot.

Goofle is doodooing their memory hole e ear than thou thing:
This video has been removed due to terms of use violation.

Some remain:


620 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:40:07am

Dohrn worked at Sidley Austin from 1984 until 1988.

621 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:40:32am

re: #570 yma o hyd
Good morning to you! Yep, but I'm not sure how lizards could find out more - we'd need someone who knows them, who is inside their inner circle to prove that.
They have LOTS of experience in avoiding leaving evidence of their actions and activities - hell that's the reason Dorhn wasn't convicted of murder - the only people who could prove she did the bombing were fellow co-conspirators and apparently their testimony alone wasn't good enough - judge had to dismiss the case.

622 yma o hyd  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:41:05am

re: #605 pingjockey

I refinanced our house in August. I didn't get any breaks on paper work. Had a pile that would choke a horse and they climbed up my ass with a giant proctoscope to ensure I had the proper quals to get it done. Now maybe this is because I am a white male, Retired Navy, haven't lived anywhere else for over 10 years, etc... I must've been an iffy risk!

Navy - there ye have it!
They probably thought you'd take that house and sail with it all over the seven seas ...

623 DeafDog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:42:13am

re: #612 yochanan

Do you have a link to any sort of scientific study that backs that up?

(It's something I've thought to be true, but it can't be said out loud because it's not PC and it was just an opinion)

624 nyc redneck  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:42:55am

good morning folks,
i went to bed last night thinking abt that photo of the terrorist bill ayers stomping on the american flag. that smug look on his sour face.
i find it beyond coincidence that obama has such disdain for the flag as well.
refusing to wear one on his lapel, and when asked why, he said he didn't need to wear "that pin"
if he puts one on now, it's because he has to.
he knows his patriotism is on the line.
he also shows such disrespect for our country by not standing at attention when the national anthem is sung. no hand over his heart. he doesn't even mouth the words.
he doesn't respect the symbols of our country.
it is obvious he is a lot in common w/ ayers.

625 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:43:15am

There is no problem so bad that government couldn't make worse.

Boker tov, Lizardim!

626 yma o hyd  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:43:27am

re: #607 DeafDog

It's mildly impressive that they answered you at all. I would figure that any complaint of bias would go straight to the proverbial circular file.

.....Just looking for the silver lining in the cloud.

Tbh - I had given up on getting an answer at all. Was just waiting for the next blatant bias in reporting ...
Mind, I'll not hesitate to go on complaining, biased b'stards hat they are ...

627 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:43:28am

re: #572 Geepers
WOW! Really great to hear you're good news! Both about your health and your house (or the roof, anyway!). Mom and I are doing ok, thanks - we're hanging in there - gotta meet with a radiation oncologist this coming Thursday to see WHAT might be possible for me to do to beat this cancer.
It's just a consult though - but I'm still anxious as hell about it cause it's too late for surgery and chemotherapy doesn't work on prostate cancer.
Crap, I wish I could kinda relax a little, ya know?!

628 loflyer  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:43:44am

re: #580 realwest

Arrr, Real I appreciate your thoughts on the issue. It would be great if the MSM would investigate Obama's strong ties and relationships with radical terrorists and racist preachers.

629 pingjockey  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:44:11am

re: #622 yma o hyd
Arrr! But it's okay. I'd rather have them check me out, just wish the rest of the financial community had been as diligent!

630 lifeofthemind  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:44:29am

re: #624 nyc redneck

Morning

631 yah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:44:45am

re: #617 MandyManners

re: #608 yma o hyd

Thanks for the links, mandy - duly bookmarked!
I think you also ahve one where it says that she and Michelle were working at the same law firm, before Obama got there and was mentored by Michelle.
I'm sure that she is much more influential in the background than we think or have seen, or has been reported. I have the creepy feeling that Ayers is more the 'front man' while she pulls the strings, same as Michelle props up Obama ...

WAB and BHO were working for Sidley Austin when they met. I'm gonna' google Dohrn and Sidley Austin. You, too? Let's see what we can find.

I just felt a quiver run up my leg! Really. Get Charles to headline this -
"DohrnGate."

632 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:45:32am

re: #620 MandyManners

Dohrn worked at Sidley Austin from 1984 until 1988.

WAB got her J.D. from Princeton in 1988.

633 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:45:33am

re: #612 yochanan

According to lectures I have attended, less than 20 percent of American males age 18-25 are eligible for military service, due to the fact that they get disqualified due to either obesity or having been on drugs like Ritalin.

634 yma o hyd  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:45:39am

re: #617 MandyManners

WAB and BHO were working for Sidley Austin when they met. I'm gonna' google Dohrn and Sidley Austin. You, too? Let's see what we can find.

Heh - looks quite productive, doesn't it!
Going back there right now ...

635 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:46:24am

re: #631 yah

I just felt a quiver run up my leg! Really. Get Charles to headline this -
"DohrnGate."

I've found no connection between Dohrn and WAB.

636 nyc redneck  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:46:37am

re: #630 lifeofthemind

Morning

hey there {life}
how goes it for you this fine morning?

637 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:47:26am

re: #634 yma o hyd

Heh - looks quite productive, doesn't it!
Going back there right now ...

See my Nos. 620 and 632. I'm gonna' look some more.

638 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:47:48am

re: #589 yma o hyd
You may not be impressed with their answer, but I are impressed with you taking the time to write to them in the first place!
Good on ya yma o hyd and I wish there were a million more like you here in the US and in Great Britain.

639 yma o hyd  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:49:30am
640 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:50:16am

re: #600 laZardo
Well

Exactly how democracy prevailed in the end particularly in the old Warsaw Pact area is really beyond me.

the answer is simple - the old Warsaw Pact nations saw just HOW MUCH BETTER life is in a democracy and finally overthrew those with more guns, more men and more tanks.

641 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:50:22am

Good Morning Lizards!
What a beautiful day! How is everyone?

642 loflyer  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:50:53am

Yaar! Got 'me ass chewed out by my boss for doing my job last night, I emailed my reply this morning to him and his boss. I have really stepped up my "game" over the last three months, and my co-workers are extremely pleased with my actions. Previously when I was doing a mediocre job, I received no ass-chewings. I am starting to realize that with my boss, I am not doing a good job unless I get an ass-chewing at least once a month. Arrrr!

643 arethusa  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:52:03am

Ah, today's much-heralded Star-Tribune Presidential election poll is out.

Obama is up in MN by 18 points, 55-37. (3.7% margin of error.) Now, this same poll had McCain and Obama dead even a month ago, and even in May Obama was up by 13. The CNN poll from 9/28-9/30 had Obama up by 11, the Quinnipiac poll from 9/14-9/23 had Obama leading by only 2, and SurveyUSA from 9/30-10/1 had McCain up by 1. Some possible methodological problems:

-Only 26% of respondents identified themselves as Republicans. 42% identified themselves as Democrats, and 32% as independents.
-no cell-phone-only users interviewed
-interviews began 9/30 and ended 10/2, i.e., before the V-P debate, so any effect of that was not taken into account

Even the Obama campaign chairman in MN admitted he was puzzled.

(Now, I don't think Minnesota will go McCain, but I expect Obama's margin of victory will be more like Gore's and Kerry's: between 2-4%. But I'm keeping my fingers crossed.)

644 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:52:24am

re: #642 loflyer

Yaar! Got 'me ass chewed out by my boss for doing my job last night, I emailed my reply this morning to him and his boss. I have really stepped up my "game" over the last three months, and my co-workers are extremely pleased with my actions. Previously when I was doing a mediocre job, I received no ass-chewings. I am starting to realize that with my boss, I am not doing a good job unless I get an ass-chewing at least once a month. Arrrr!

Mutany on the Loflyer...
Yaar! Mr. Christian..what are your orders?

645 loflyer  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:53:25am

re: #641 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!
What a beautiful day! How is everyone?

Yaar, morning HH, It is a beautiful day, and I am just glad to be here. Something to perk you up. Blackeyes courtesy of Pandora and you tube....

646 laZardo  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:53:38am

Just found this on a gaming site I peruse...

Will Wright, the legendary (in gaming society, anyway) creator of the "Sim" brand which includes hit games like the Sim City series, The Sims and the recently-released "evolution" game Spore, has donated to John McCain (and Giuliani in the primaries.)

/and they say video games are bad for you...

647 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:54:14am

re: #628 loflyer
Good morning to you! The MSM investigate?! LOL,LOL
thanks for the chuckle this morning!

648 RTLM  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:55:09am

Anyone seen CNN's "Fact Check" on Sarah Palin's "palging around with terrorists remark?
[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

Obama's Chicago home is in the same neighborhood where Ayers and Dohrn live. Beginning in 1995, Ayers and Obama worked with the non-profit Chicago Annenberg Challenge on a huge school improvement project. The Annenberg Challenge was for cities to compete for $50 million grants to improve public education. Ayers fought to bring the grant to Chicago, and Obama was recruited onto the board. Also from 1999 through 2001 both were board members on the Woods Fund, a charitable foundation that gave money to various causes, including the Trinity United Church that Obama attended and Northwestern University Law Schools' Children and Family Justice Center, where Dohrn worked.

CNN's review of project records found nothing to suggest anything inappropriate in the volunteer projects in which the two men were involved.

CNN’s “fact check” is a further indictment and clarification of Obama's relationship with Ayers. And Trinity United. And Dohrn.

649 laZardo  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:55:15am

re: #640 realwest

Still...part of the reason they joined The Pact was partially out of feeling betrayed by the Allies prior to and during WW2 (Czechs for Sudetenland, Poland being overrun and just decimated, etc.) Makes you wonder where their loyalties will lie when it comes right down to it.

/caught in the middle...shame...

650 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:56:11am

re: #639 yma o hyd

From the top:
[Link: oldatlanticlighthouse.wordpress.com...]

[Link: therealbarackobama.wordpress.com...]

[Link: therealbarackobama.wordpress.com...]

... for starters ...

All I've found at all three is speculation. WAB was an intern the summer of the last year Dohrn worked there. I've seen no proof that the latter mentored the former.

651 lifeofthemind  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:57:21am

re: #636 nyc redneck

hey there {life}
how goes it for you this fine morning?

Not bad, just heading out. Hope it doesn't rain later.
/grabs four footed friend

652 yma o hyd  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:58:01am

re: #635 MandyManners

I've found no connection between Dohrn and WAB.

There may not be an obvious, documented 'connection' which would stand up in a law court.
But as we're all adults who have experiences in how things 'work' in offices, irrespective of job descriptions and such, it would run counter to common sense to assume that there was not the tiniest bit of contact between Dohrn and WAB at that law firm.

Sure, one ought not to retrospectively fabricate somethign because 'it must have been so' - but I reckon that Dohrn was and is much more forceful in recruiting people than ayers is - he seems to be the 'front man', dealing with the normal people ...

653 jaunte  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:58:07am

re: #648 RTLM

From your cnn link:
"...there is nothing to suggest that Ayers is now involved in terrorist activity..."

Oh, well, he stopped? I guess that's ok then.
/////

654 loflyer  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:58:17am

re: #644 HoosierHoops

Mutany on the Loflyer...
Yaar! Mr. Christian..what are your orders?

Privatize, and pass the profits! My new CEO is strongly hinting at privatizing my department. I heartily agree Mr. Ellis, privatize us, give us a raise, and do the job right. IT budget will rise by 300 percent, but who cares as long as the money is going to politically connected associates! Haaar!

655 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:59:22am

re: #631 yah
Hey reported your post to Charles to see if he'll actually put up a thread about these never-punished, always glorified terrorists.

656 yma o hyd  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:59:23am

re: #642 loflyer

Yaar! Got 'me ass chewed out by my boss for doing my job last night, I emailed my reply this morning to him and his boss. I have really stepped up my "game" over the last three months, and my co-workers are extremely pleased with my actions. Previously when I was doing a mediocre job, I received no ass-chewings. I am starting to realize that with my boss, I am not doing a good job unless I get an ass-chewing at least once a month. Arrrr!

As long as you don't tell him to sling his hook ...

657 RTLM  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:59:37am

re: #653 jaunte

From your cnn link:
"...there is nothing to suggest that Ayers is now involved in terrorist activity..."

Oh, well, he stopped? I guess that's ok then.
/////

/...as far as they know

658 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 7:59:57am

re: #646 laZardo

Just found this on a gaming site I peruse...

Will Wright, the legendary (in gaming society, anyway) creator of the "Sim" brand which includes hit games like the Sim City series, The Sims and the recently-released "evolution" game Spore, has donated to John McCain (and Giuliani in the primaries.) /and they say video games are bad for you...

But the problem is, it was Sim money.

659 arethusa  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:00:47am

re: #648 RTLM

Anyone seen CNN's "Fact Check" on Sarah Palin's "palging around with terrorists remark?
[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

CNN’s “fact check” is a further indictment and clarification of Obama's relationship with Ayers. And Trinity United. And Dohrn.

How hard is this for the fact-checkers to follow?

1) Obama knows Ayers. Obama has spent a considerable amount of time with him.
2) Ayers is an admitted and unrepentant terrorist.
3) Ergo, one can say that Obama hangs out/pals around with terrorists. In my book, anyway.

He supposedly hasn't seen Ayers since 2005...which would be when he was entering the Senate and starting to think about the Presidency. Like he paid his outstanding parking tickets from law school a few weeks before announcing his candidacy in 2007. Sounds to me like he dropped Ayers in 2005. The question of judgment remains, however.

660 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:00:58am

re: #645 loflyer

Yaar, morning HH, It is a beautiful day, and I am just glad to be here. Something to perk you up. Blackeyes courtesy of Pandora and you tube....

Good Lawdy Loflyer! You think i need to perk up?
Most people i know wish i'd take downers! LOL
Good to hear from ya Loflyer

661 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:01:50am

re: #635 MandyManners
Well ya know Sidley, Austin seems a good place to start - Dorhn, WAB and iirc Obama all worked there.
I've done big real estate deals with that firm a few times and none of the real estate or financing lawyers seemed "lefties" to me, but SOMEONE there might very well be a connection.
Or maybe one of their bigger clients is.

662 yma o hyd  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:01:59am

re: #648 RTLM

That time line is especially interesting when one looks at what was talked about a few threads below ... 2001, B0 in with Ayers ...

663 yma o hyd  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:03:13am

re: #650 MandyManners

it was WAB who mentored Obama - but I'll eat me hat if Dohrn and WAB did not have any human contact while they were there together!

664 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:03:25am

re: #642 loflyer
Um, your boss chewed you out for doing a good job?!
Maybe he feels a little "insecure" in his job?!

665 laZardo  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:03:46am

re: #658 Walter L. Newton

Actually, Simoleons.

666 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:04:39am

re: #661 realwest
Good morning RealWest..
You got gas there yet? I paid 3.18 today..shocked!

667 3 wood  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:04:59am

re: #610 MandyManners

I wonder how many out there really don't have an LD. Mind you, I don't mean to take anything away from those who truly have an LD but, couldn't it be a good racket?

Sorry for the delay, had to do something else.

Oh it could be a big racket, like getting a disabled parking spot. I know busy people who run marathons who somehow have a disabled parking license so they can park up front and run into stores real fast during their hectic lives.

668 yma o hyd  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:05:55am

re: #653 jaunte

From your cnn link:
"...there is nothing to suggest that Ayers is now involved in terrorist activity..."

Oh, well, he stopped? I guess that's ok then.
/////

For what its worth - I'd say they stopped their manifest terrorist activities in about 1980, and started to see if they could reach their goal with other means.
And then, a bit later - up crops a certain B0 ...
The rest is history - but only if you let it happen!

669 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:05:59am

re: #652 yma o hyd

There may not be an obvious, documented 'connection' which would stand up in a law court.
But as we're all adults who have experiences in how things 'work' in offices, irrespective of job descriptions and such, it would run counter to common sense to assume that there was not the tiniest bit of contact between Dohrn and WAB at that law firm.

Sure, one ought not to retrospectively fabricate somethign because 'it must have been so' - but I reckon that Dohrn was and is much more forceful in recruiting people than ayers is - he seems to be the 'front man', dealing with the normal people ...

It's interesting that Dohrn couldn't pass the bar due to her record.

670 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:05:59am

re: #648 RTLM
Spot on post and link.
And from your link: "CNN's review of project records found nothing to suggest anything inappropriate in the volunteer projects in which the two men were involved."
But they did find a LINK to the two of 'em didn't they?
And if they actually looked hard enough at Ayers who knows what they might turn up?

671 loflyer  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:06:29am

re: #656 yma o hyd

As long as you don't tell him to sling his hook ...

Haar! The interesting issue is that I really like my boss. He is "old school" AT&T and a great manager. I am indebted to him for restoring my self-confidence and recognizing I bring a lot of experience to the table, and backing me 100 percent on 'me decisions. I just have to accept my ass will get chewed at least once a month for doing a good job....that sux mateys!

672 lawhawk  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:06:37am

So, I went to see a movie for the first time in months, and there really was a lack of good movies to choose from. We ended up seeing Burn After Reading.

I'm a fan of the Coen Brothers' Raising Arizona, so I get their twisted humor. I wasn't disappointed. Brad Pitt should do comedy more often, John Malcovich is just awesome, and Frances McDormand and Tilda Swinton were great. Even Clooney did a good job essentially playing himself - a womanizing guy who surfs the 'net for love, even though he's married and has a couple of unusual habits.

And I got a kick out of the fact that did the filming of the gym not too far from where I live.

The film is littered with cursing, but most of the time it's wholly appropriate to the scene - after all, it's what most of us would do in that situation. There's a little violence, but how it gets explained makes it work.

I give it 3 out of 4 stars.

673 3 wood  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:07:30am

re: #622 yma o hyd

Now maybe this is because I am a white male,

Bingo, you don't get the Community Reinvestment Act special treatment.

It's like affirmative action for lending.

674 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:07:43am

re: #661 realwest

Well ya know Sidley, Austin seems a good place to start - Dorhn, WAB and iirc Obama all worked there.
I've done big real estate deals with that firm a few times and none of the real estate or financing lawyers seemed "lefties" to me, but SOMEONE there might very well be a connection.
Or maybe one of their bigger clients is.

Dohrn left in 1988, the year that WAB finished her law degree. WAB interned there the summer of 1988. BHO didn't come until later.

675 yma o hyd  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:07:53am

re: #669 MandyManners

Which doesn't prevent her from being an assistant professor now ...

676 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:08:12am

re: #642 loflyer

Yaar! Got 'me ass chewed out by my boss for doing my job last night, I emailed my reply this morning to him and his boss. I have really stepped up my "game" over the last three months, and my co-workers are extremely pleased with my actions. Previously when I was doing a mediocre job, I received no ass-chewings. I am starting to realize that with my boss, I am not doing a good job unless I get an ass-chewing at least once a month. Arrrr!

My mother once worked for people like that. They didn't like standout people, good or bad, because they felt such people cause envy and tension. From she told me it was like Office Space meets Harrison Bergeron.

677 DeafDog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:08:38am

re: #667 3 wood

Sorry for the delay, had to do something else.

Oh it could be a big racket, like getting a disabled parking spot. I know busy people who run marathons who somehow have a disabled parking license so they can park up front and run into stores real fast during their hectic lives.

I hope you call out on it. That sort of crap pisses me off.

678 arethusa  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:09:02am

re: #670 realwest

I do like how Palin's comments have sort of forced the Ayers issue into the headlines. And I've always found repeated denials suspicious: you know, "methinks the lady doth protest too much." I hope enough other voters feel the same way.

679 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:09:02am

Oops. WAB got her JD from Harvard.

680 yma o hyd  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:09:15am

re: #671 loflyer

Haar! The interesting issue is that I really like my boss. He is "old school" AT&T and a great manager. I am indebted to him for restoring my self-confidence and recognizing I bring a lot of experience to the table, and backing me 100 percent on 'me decisions. I just have to accept my ass will get chewed at least once a month for doing a good job....that sux mateys!

Aww - he's gotta show the crew that he's not got favourites, is all!

681 lawhawk  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:09:48am

re: #653 jaunte

He stopped playing an active role in terrorism, but hasn't stopped thinking about the radical leftist politics that pushed him into terrorism in the first place. He remains unrepentant, and tries to play word games when it comes to whether he was going to kill fellow Americans.

Meanwhile, I've got some cretin on my blog comments who tried to make the argument of who was worse - Ayers or President Bush. Yeah, compare a terrorist to a President of the US. Right. This is the mindset of the left.

You want to complain that Bush is a bad president; that's fine. You can make the argument. But if you want to compare him to others individuals, try doing it with other Presidents - like Carter for example. Or LBJ.

682 nyc redneck  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:10:09am

it shouldn't even be an issue, the level of obama's association w/ ayers.
we shouldn't even be debating the depth of their friendship.
a person running for president of the united states should not be involved w/ a unrepentant flag stomping terrorist at all, and be this close to securing the office.
the public would not vote for obama if they knew the truth.
the msm is conspiring to help get a very dangerous man into the white house.
sarah needs to hit this hard. as does mccain.

683 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:10:09am

re: #672 lawhawk

Thanks for the heads up..I just read the review..looks good!

684 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:11:03am

re: #663 yma o hyd

it was WAB who mentored Obama - but I'll eat me hat if Dohrn and WAB did not have any human contact while they were there together!

Maybe Dohrn knew about WAB's thesis at Princeton. Maybe they knew of each other through family connections Dohrn's father-in-law had with the Chicago Machine. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe.

685 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:11:48am

re: #667 3 wood

Sorry for the delay, had to do something else.

Oh it could be a big racket, like getting a disabled parking spot. I know busy people who run marathons who somehow have a disabled parking license so they can park up front and run into stores real fast during their hectic lives.

What kind of doctor would take part in that scam?!

686 rightside  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:12:02am

Good Sunday morning, Lizards!

687 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:12:06am

re: #649 laZardo
Nah, that's - no direspect intended - nonesense. The "Warsaw Pact" nations were those the Russian Army conquered by killing and chasing the Nazi's out of 'em - see Hungary in 1956 and Czech Republic in, iirc 1968; almost to a nation, ALL of the Warsaw Pact nations have turned against their Soviet Masters. And they are quite nasty and vocal about it now. See, e.g., Poland and the Czech Republic's working with the US to put in place the anti-missile system and radar needed for same, in spite of some outright threats of armed force against them by Russia (or by a "deputy something or other minister of defense and a Russian General) who wouldn't have said a word without Putin's blessings.
But Poland and Czechoslovaki are going ahead anyway and it appears that even the Ukraine may get admitted to NATO within a very short time period.
The Soviet Union/Russia's bully boy tactics won't work against the former Warsaw Pact countries anymore.

688 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:12:24am

re: #675 yma o hyd

Which doesn't prevent her from being an assistant professor now ...

Nope!

689 jacksontn  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:12:35am

Here come the "Your a racist" crap again.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

690 laZardo  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:14:03am

re: #687 realwest

Tanks and guns won't. Turning off the oil supplies just might.

691 yma o hyd  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:14:04am

re: #684 MandyManners

Maybe Dohrn knew about WAB's thesis at Princeton. Maybe they knew of each other through family connections Dohrn's father-in-law had with the Chicago Machine. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe.

Yeah - its infuriating: nothing but innuendo!

Sure, we must not start trying to build up a house of cards built on possibilities, and its definitely better to tie Obama to Ayers where the facts speak for themselves.

But I'll still eat my hat if there were not in fact some personal connections between Dohrn and WAB which, being personal, are not documented anywhere.

692 loflyer  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:14:16am

re: #676 Dark_Falcon

My mother once worked for people like that. They didn't like standout people, good or bad, because they felt such people cause envy and tension. From she told me it was like Office Space meets Harrison Bergeron.

Arrr, My boss realizes we are so understaffed, that unless everyone of us do not "standout" and perform 125 percent, we cannot complete our projects and keep the network running. For a broke county government and getting broker, we have a ton of money for new projects and facilities. I don't understand it all 'meself...

693 arethusa  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:14:18am

re: #675 yma o hyd

Which doesn't prevent her from being an assistant professor now ...

Nothing prevents anyone from being an assistant professor these days. Except talent and a record of achievement.

(Sorry, I'm an academic who's seen too many job searches go the way of the inexperienced guy with potential, not the proven candidate with a good number of publications and teaching awards, and a name in their field already.)

694 DeafDog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:15:34am

re: #682 nyc redneck

it shouldn't even be an issue, the level of obama's association w/ ayers.
we shouldn't even be debating the depth of their friendship.
a person running for president of the united states should not be involved w/ a unrepentant flag stomping terrorist at all, and be this close to securing the office.
the public would not vote for obama if they knew the truth.
the msm is conspiring to help get a very dangerous man into the white house.
sarah needs to hit this hard. as does mccain.

For pete's sake, Obamba was the member of a Racist church for 20 years! The head racist was his mentor!

Obombly's response: "Aw shucks. I'm sorry."

And all is forgiven.

If he can get away with that, he can get away with anything.

BTW - Not being negative, just facing reality of the polls that it's likely that Obamba will be POTUS. You can bet that shit will go wrong everywhere. He'll blame Bush for everything and the MSM will go right along with him. He will be above criticism forever.

695 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:16:00am

re: #691 yma o hyd

Yeah - its infuriating: nothing but innuendo!

Sure, we must not start trying to build up a house of cards built on possibilities, and its definitely better to tie Obama to Ayers where the facts speak for themselves.

But I'll still eat my hat if there were not in fact some personal connections between Dohrn and WAB which, being personal, are not documented anywhere.

I, too, will stick with what can be proven, too.

696 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:16:02am

re: #666 HoosierHoops
Good morning Hoops! Yeah, we got about eleventymillion truckloads of gasoline Friday -so everyone filled their tanks and now we're running low again! LOL!
How are you doing today?
I think I've been talking "ancient history" to some folks out here (casts a wary eye at LaZardo) for too long!

697 songbird  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:16:14am

re: #683 HoosierHoops

{HoosierHoops}

Good morning! How are you?

I survived our solo and ensemble festival and our first concert is next Friday!

698 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:17:10am

re: #695 MandyManners

I, too, will stick with what can be proven, too.

Ack! One too many "too".

699 laZardo  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:17:11am

re: #696 realwest

...don't look at me!

/runs into room, crying and playing bongos

// q:

700 songbird  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:17:12am

Good Sunday Morning, fellow Lizards!

701 FrogMarch  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:18:18am
702 loflyer  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:18:25am

re: #686 rightside

Good Sunday morning, Lizards!

Yaar! Good morning Rightside! Are you an ex-CPO 'Me hats off to 'Ye!

703 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:18:57am

re: #667 3 wood
Hey my friend - there isn't much that makes me genuinely angry in the meat world today - or at least anything I can do anything about, but that abuse of handicapped plates and parking spaces (frequently by those who don't have handicapped plates even) has seen me sitting there, waiting for the car owner to come out and then - depending on how big, young and fit he is, giving 'em hell for using those spaces when they clearly aren't handicapped.
MoFos.
BTW, please check your e-mail!

704 DistantThunder  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:19:10am

Who will sleep in the Lincoln Bedroom

Long list of terrorists and subversives

or


long list of patriots and former POW's

705 FrogMarch  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:19:22am

re: #672 lawhawk

American Carol is out. I was supposed to go last night, but plans changed. I'm going tonight. Gotta support the team.

706 jaunte  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:19:25am

re: #681 lawhawk

This was a good piece on Ayers:

Sol Stern: Obama’s Real Bill Ayers Problem
"The more pressing issue is not the damage done by the Weather Underground 40 years ago, but the far greater harm inflicted on the nation’s schoolchildren by the political and educational movement in which Ayers plays a leading role today."
[Link: www.city-journal.org...]

707 yochanan  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:20:45am

been putting up hebrew/english, hebrew only and english only MCCAIN/PALIN stickers,

john & sarah will do well with the PRO ISRAEL CROWD around here the rest mostly obama as i live inside chicagostan

708 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:21:07am

re: #673 3 wood
My friend it's not "like affirmative action for lending" that's exactly what it is. And that's exactly what the CRA was intended to be, too.

709 loflyer  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:21:25am

re: #705 FrogMarch

American Carol is out. I was supposed to go last night, but plans changed. I'm going tonight. Gotta support the team.

Arrrr, from what I understand of Hollywood politics, It's a miracle the thing was even released. Enjoy the show, Frog!

710 FrogMarch  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:21:29am
711 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:21:35am

re: #697 songbird

{HoosierHoops}

Good morning! How are you?

I survived our solo and ensemble festival and our first concert is next Friday!

awesome Songbird..You sure have been busy..and sorely missed here..

712 yma o hyd  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:21:35am

re: #689 jacksontn

Here come the "Your a racist" crap again.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

From that link:

"Summing up its findings, the Times wrote: "A review of records of the schools project and interviews with a dozen people who know both men, suggest that Mr. Obama, 47, has played down his contacts with Mr. Ayers, 63. But the two men do not appear to have been close. Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers, whom he has called 'somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8.'"

Do not appear to have been close?
Course not! Its about deniability.
B0 hasn't expressed sympathy etc - cripes! He knows something like that would put paid to his campaign.
B0 doesn't ned to 'express' sympathy - his whole CV is an expression of sympathy - not that the MSM are looking that deeply.

Oh - and this stupid quote about Ayers doing stuff when B0 was 8 years old: we didn't ask why he didn't prevent these acts, even though he was only 8 - we want to know why he's been working for years with someone like that.
Why not 'work' with Manson, whom Dohrn admired so much?

All typical MSM flimflam!

713 nyc redneck  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:21:37am

re: #694 DeafDog

For pete's sake, Obamba was the member of a Racist church for 20 years! The head racist was his mentor!

Obombly's response: "Aw shucks. I'm sorry."

And all is forgiven.

If he can get away with that, he can get away with anything.

BTW - Not being negative, just facing reality of the polls that it's likely that Obamba will be POTUS. You can bet that shit will go wrong everywhere. He'll blame Bush for everything and the MSM will go right along with him. He will be above criticism forever.

don't give up yet. i know it's hard now, but this is what the msm is trying to do.
demoralize us.
fck them. it's not over yet.
take a deep breath. a lot can happen in a month.
and fck the polls too, btw.

714 itellu3times  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:21:38am

re: #671 loflyer

Haar! The interesting issue is that I really like my boss. He is "old school" AT&T and a great manager. I am indebted to him for restoring my self-confidence and recognizing I bring a lot of experience to the table, and backing me 100 percent on 'me decisions. I just have to accept my ass will get chewed at least once a month for doing a good job....that sux mateys!

Yep, that sounds old-school. He's got to work out on you now and then, because he can. Maybe that's right, it's not easy being the alpha dog! The new-school managers mostly suck, I can't even conceive one that doesn't. Management itself is old-school, today businesses are supposed to run themselves, yeah right.

/rant

715 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:22:13am

re: #674 MandyManners
Yeah, but I want to know who hired them and on what basis they were hired - especially Dohrn.

716 Right Brain  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:23:07am

Of all people to throw Governor Palin a bone, Thomas Friedman did today in the NY Times:

"Sarah Palin won’t have to worry that she doesn’t know what the Bush doctrine is. No one really knew what it meant."

Thomas Friedman
NY Times 10/4/08


[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

717 doriangrey  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:23:28am

I would like to take a minute to weigh in on a side issue being discussed in this thread. animals in Heaven.

As we are all aware the very existence of heaven is strictly a matter of faith. To accept that heaven exists requires faith, period no exceptions. From the Judeo-christian perspective all matters of heaven (and hell) are derived from the holy scriptures.

The holy scriptures teach us things that are relevant to our relationship with God, beyond that they are relatively silent, but not entirely. The text contain a staggering amount of ancillary information often overlooked because it does not directly relate to our relationship to god.

For example, the single oldest book in the Jewish/Christian holy text is the book of Job. In rebuking is contemporaries Job displayed scientific knowledge that would not be confirmed for over 3500 years. He states as a fact that the earth was a sphere, and that it hung in nothingness.

It is in these bits and pieces of ancillary information provided more as a back drop to information regarding our relationship with god that the answer to whether or not animals exist in heaven is to be found.

The book of Isaiah tells us a story about a prophet named Balaam. In telling us that story Isaiah reveals a bit of that ancillary information that is so profusely sprinkled throughout the biblical text. It has to do with not Balaam himself, but his donkey.

What Isaiah reveals is that Balaam's donkey, was intelligent, self-aware, and capable of perceiving spiritual matters. Balaam's donkey saw a threat to his master, and made repeated attempts despite being punished, to protect his master from that threat.

Balaam, like the rest of humanity, suffered from a combination of arrogance and ignorance. It never occurred to Balaam that his donkey was attempting to save his life. It never occurred to Balaam that his donkey might be intelligent, or that his donkey might actually be capable of having an emotional attachment to him.

It was never Isaiah's intention to show us that animals have souls or are capable of being rewarded with eternal life. But that is precisely what he does show us.

Balaam, like most humans, did not speak donkey. Because he did not, he arrogantly assumed that his donkey lacked intelligence or empathy. Isaiah clearly demonstrated that this was not the case.

The Bible/ Jewish/Christian holy texts primary purpose is the relationship between man and God. Consequently it does not deal specifically with a wide range of other topics. It does not directly address extra terrestrial life, the relationship between animals and God or the physical properties of the universe in general.

It is not entirely silent on those issues as the examples of ancillary information here shows. But since those topics are not its primary focus one is left having to very carefully read the text to glean from it the information that it does have on them.

As a matter of personal experience and opinion, I find myself quite often making the same comment on the holy text. When you read it, you must be very diligent to read it for what it actually does say, and not what you want it to say, or what others have told you it is purported to say.

My conclusion, it would be incredibly arrogant for us to suggest that God does not reward animals with eternal life based solely on the fact that the holy text do not specifically state that he does.

718 Right Brain  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:23:36am

Obamanation

719 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:23:42am

re: #703 realwest

Hey my friend - there isn't much that makes me genuinely angry in the meat world today - or at least anything I can do anything about, but that abuse of handicapped plates and parking spaces (frequently by those who don't have handicapped plates even) has seen me sitting there, waiting for the car owner to come out and then - depending on how big, young and fit he is, giving 'em hell for using those spaces when they clearly aren't handicapped.
MoFos.
BTW, please check your e-mail!

Someone could have a condition that is not apparent, such as a heart condition or COPD.

720 ladycatnip  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:24:39am
721 lawhawk  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:24:41am

Look, there's a good reason why Obama didn't think there was anything wrong with Ayers.

Ayers had been recycled and rehabilitated by the academic leftists who allowed him to become a professor at a major university. Politicians in Chicago didn't seem to have a problem with his terrorist past.

Ayers was enabled to become a major player in Chicago politics, and Obama wouldn't think anything of Ayers for that reason. I think it's a damning indictment of the academic system and Chicago politics that they would think to mainstream Ayers at all.

Obama's problem is that he didn't do his own homework on Ayers to find out his background or anything else about his terror past (or if he did, chose to continue associating with him and working closely with him for all those years at Woods and the CAC).

Now, we face a situation where Ayers and his past are being downplayed by the media, the left, and the very institutions that enabled Ayers to become a player in Chicago politics. Pointing out those connections is going to ruffle plenty of feathers - which is precisely why we're seeing the pushback from the media on this.

Oh, and Obama is going to try and claim that McCain is too erratic to make sound policy decisions? Are you kidding me? Obama could have made that argument against his running mate - Joe Biden!

722 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:24:45am

re: #715 realwest

Yeah, but I want to know who hired them and on what basis they were hired - especially Dohrn.

Dohrn was hired due to her father-in-law's power. It's in Wiki, I think.

723 yma o hyd  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:24:54am

re: #693 arethusa

Nothing prevents anyone from being an assistant professor these days. Except talent and a record of achievement.

(Sorry, I'm an academic who's seen too many job searches go the way of the inexperienced guy with potential, not the proven candidate with a good number of publications and teaching awards, and a name in their field already.)

And there we have it: it must ahve been Dohrn's 'record of achievement' which got her the job!

People with a proven academic track record are far too expensive, and not lightly bent to the nefarious goals some irresponsible administrators want their college professors to achieve ...

724 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:25:41am

Watch for this week's DNC talking points--an Alinskyite rebuttal ridiculing the facts. "The right-wing smear machine will present a preposterous charge that Obama is a radical because of a tenuous association with education professor Bill Ayers." They would deny the sky is blue if it suited them.

725 doriangrey  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:25:41am

re: #614 realwest

Coffee? Why [Link: www.imeem.com...]
just cause I know you'll like this!

ROTFLMAO................... Thank you real, that made my morning....

726 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:26:23am

re: #696 realwest

Good morning Hoops! Yeah, we got about eleventymillion truckloads of gasoline Friday -so everyone filled their tanks and now we're running low again! LOL!
How are you doing today?
I think I've been talking "ancient history" to some folks out here (casts a wary eye at LaZardo) for too long!

I'm doing wonderful...Our cable company ( brighthouse ) has been in a war with CBS and it currently is off-line for us..
Which means we can't watch the colts on TV today..
I called my buddy and we are heading to his house in an hour to BBQ and watch the game...It's not like we need to go to another party this weekend but..you gotta do what you gotta do...

727 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:26:38am

re: #681 lawhawk
Good morning lawhawk! Uh, how do you know he's stopped? Seriously HE may not be planting bombs that go BOOM and murder people anymore, but his postion in the field of education sure leaves him lots of opportunities to recruit newer, younger wannabes - and when Obama loses, who knows what games those folks might play.
And yes, I do HATE BILLY BOY AYERS because he's a murderer and a coward - that MAY have clouded my judgement about him I admit - but I also think that THAT particular leopard hasn't changed his spots at all.
I really think he'd prefer a violent protest to a peaceful one that might work better.

728 yma o hyd  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:26:45am

re: #698 MandyManners

Ack! One too many "too".

Not in Wales, we like to pile 'em up! The more the better!

729 3 wood  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:26:47am

re: #685 MandyManners

What kind of doctor would take part in that scam?!

A relative.

730 DeafDog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:27:07am

re: #713 nyc redneck

don't give up yet. i know it's hard now, but this is what the msm is trying to do.
demoralize us.
fck them. it's not over yet.
take a deep breath. a lot can happen in a month.
and fck the polls too, btw.

I'm not giving up....never do that. But we've got to play the hand dealt, too. This is not a good hand.

731 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:27:35am

Just read the sports page of The Tennessean, in light of Vandy's upset win yesterday over Auburn. ESPN was on Vandy's campus and filmed "Game Day", and the signs carried by the Vandy students shown on the show were funny:

"Phil Fulmer Ate My Other Sign"

"I Got My GED At Auburn"

"The Geeks Shall Inherit The Turf!"

and my favorite...

"YOU PEOPLE ARE BLOCKING THE LIBRARY!"

This is the first season Vandy's gone 5-0 since 1943, and they're stoked.

732 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:27:37am

re: #706 jaunte

This was a good piece on Ayers:

Sol Stern: Obama’s Real Bill Ayers Problem
"The more pressing issue is not the damage done by the Weather Underground 40 years ago, but the far greater harm inflicted on the nation’s schoolchildren by the political and educational movement in which Ayers plays a leading role today."
[Link: www.city-journal.org...]

Instead of planting bombs in public buildings, Ayers now works to indoctrinate America’s future teachers in the revolutionary cause, urging them to pass on the lessons to their public school students.

Indeed, the education department at the University of Illinois is a hotbed for the radical education professoriate. As Ayers puts it in one of his course descriptions, prospective K–12 teachers need to “be aware of the social and moral universe we inhabit and . . . be a teacher capable of hope and struggle, outrage and action, a teacher teaching for social justice and liberation.” Ayers’s texts on the imperative of social-justice teaching are among the most popular works in the syllabi of the nation’s ed schools and teacher-training institutes. One of Ayers’s major themes is that the American public school system is nothing but a reflection of capitalist hegemony. Thus, the mission of all progressive teachers is to take back the classrooms and turn them into laboratories of revolutionary change.

733 lawhawk  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:28:10am

re: #727 realwest

Good point, but I don't think I said that Ayers ever stopped. His position as a professor does mean that he gets to spout his ideology to his students - poisoning a new generation with his leftist radicalism.

734 rightside  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:28:16am

re: #702 loflyer

No, I was never selected for that. I achieved the rank of P.O.1 withing 7 years, then never advanced past that for the remaining 13.

735 doriangrey  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:28:51am

re: #697 songbird

{HoosierHoops}

Good morning! How are you?

I survived our solo and ensemble festival and our first concert is next Friday!

Good morning songbird... I hate you..... Ok, maybe I dont hate you, but since I now have full denture and will probably never be able to sing again I am rather jealous of your abilities.... sigh...

736 laZardo  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:28:56am

re: #720 ladycatnip

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed woman is queen.

737 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:28:58am

re: #724 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Watch for this week's DNC talking points--an Alinskyite rebuttal ridiculing the facts. "The right-wing smear machine will present a preposterous charge that Obama is a radical because of a tenuous association with education professor Bill Ayers." They would deny the sky is blue if it suited them.

And the campaign better be prepared for that...

738 yma o hyd  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:29:03am

re: #703 realwest

Hey my friend - there isn't much that makes me genuinely angry in the meat world today - or at least anything I can do anything about, but that abuse of handicapped plates and parking spaces (frequently by those who don't have handicapped plates even) has seen me sitting there, waiting for the car owner to come out and then - depending on how big, young and fit he is, giving 'em hell for using those spaces when they clearly aren't handicapped.
MoFos.
BTW, please check your e-mail!

Good for you!

(And I thought stuff like that robbing of parking spaces reserved for the disabled happened only in the UK ...)

739 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:29:11am

re: #690 laZardo
I think you seriously misjudge just HOW MUCH the former Soviet satellites HATE Russia.

740 J.S.  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:30:03am

re: #694 DeafDog

I also suspect that if Hussein becomes Prez, he'll suddenly start putting (some) of his words into deeds -- that is, he'll purge the nation of any perceived "enemies" -- as in going after the "war criminals," etc., that would be Bush, Cheney, etc. He'll probably start that within the first few months of assuming office (along with closing Gitmo) -- and it'll be just around the time that Iran wants to get onto the Security Council at the United Nations (which Hussein will, of course, have no problems with)...

741 arethusa  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:30:11am

I don't think the McCain campaign is that clever, so I don't usually indulge in the chess-move type of speculation, that they "planned this all along." But Palin's attacks on Obama have led Obama to start screaming about the economy louder, to call McCain's leadership "erratic." Wouldn't it be a good moment to hit back on Fannie and Freddie, and show who really is erratic?

(I mean, I would, if I were they. Supposedly they're afraid of seeming racist if they do so, but so? They get accused of racism just for being opposed to Obama, and they don't even have to mention the Community Reinvestment Act, just Fannie and Freddie.)

742 JSK1121  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:30:17am

Robert Spencer of Jihad/Dhimmi Watch interviews our favorite blond coiffed Dutch Parliamentarian: Spencer/Wilders Round 1

743 songbird  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:30:20am

re: #711 HoosierHoops

awesome Songbird..You sure have been busy..and sorely missed here..

I miss you all, too! But duty and a paycheck calls.

Mr. Songbird lost his job last month so I have to hold it all together.
He's subbing in the schools now and applying for jobs like crazy.

Anyone know a good job for a Radio Engineer?

744 itellu3times  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:30:43am

Yes, make them defend on Ayers, but it don't matter, as Sarah herself might respond, that's looking backwards. Give the voter a reason to vote FOR McCain/Palin, or lose.

Here's my Deep Thought for the morning. Excellent editorial out today, 9/11 Was Big, This Is Bigger, about the finance crisis. Combining my thoughts with these, the bottom line is that the American voter just doesn't really want freedom anymore, we have an elite that runs things, we want to credit or blame them, and so we shall elect The One and enter officially into the Obamanation, a kinder, gentler, neo-Marxism.

Can, will, shall McCain/Palin save us from this, for even another four years? Only if they can sell freedom to the masses, who don't even seem to want it. Criticizing Obama or Ayers won't do it. Change? Already happened, an Obama presidency would just make it official. Gaak.

Somebody please be more positive.

745 doriangrey  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:30:50am

re: #734 rightside

No, I was never selected for that. I achieved the rank of P.O.1 withing 7 years, then never advanced past that for the remaining 13.

Good morning my friend, how are you today....

746 laZardo  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:30:54am

re: #739 realwest

I don't disagree that they hate Russia. Rather I seriously wonder how much they really are willing to risk to stand up to them, seeing as how pretty much all of Europe's oil - and especially Eastern Europe's oil - comes from there.

747 3 wood  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:31:21am

re: #717 doriangrey

My conclusion, it would be incredibly arrogant for us to suggest that God does not reward animals with eternal life based solely on the fact that the holy text do not specifically state that he does.

My conclusion is based on nothing so elegant and well though out as that.

I am just convinced that it would not be heaven with you my dearly departed pets. I know in my heart that there is a heaven, so I know that my late pets will be there to greet me whenever I get there.

748 FrogMarch  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:31:21am

re: #712 yma o hyd

From that link:

"Summing up its findings, the Times wrote: "A review of records of the schools project and interviews with a dozen people who know both men, suggest that Mr. Obama, 47, has played down his contacts with Mr. Ayers, 63. But the two men do not appear to have been close. Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers, whom he has called 'somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8.'"

Do not appear to have been close?
Course not! Its about deniability.
B0 hasn't expressed sympathy etc - cripes! He knows something like that would put paid to his campaign.
B0 doesn't ned to 'express' sympathy - his whole CV is an expression of sympathy - not that the MSM are looking that deeply.

Oh - and this stupid quote about Ayers doing stuff when B0 was 8 years old: we didn't ask why he didn't prevent these acts, even though he was only 8 - we want to know why he's been working for years with someone like that.
Why not 'work' with Manson, whom Dohrn admired so much?

All typical MSM flimflam!

NO MENTION OF ANNENBERG CHALLENGE?
McCain needs to focus on Obma's left-wing ties.

749 Irene NYC  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:31:26am

There is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that Ayers and 0bama were more than casual acquaintances. The $100 million Annenberg challenge education funds were acquired to further Ayer's political agenda. 0bama was the vehicle through which those funds were dispersed.

What's the saying? Thick as thieves. Yeah, that about sums it up in a nutshell.

750 nyc redneck  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:31:26am

re: #720 ladycatnip

Saudi muslim cleric calls for women to wear one-eye veil to stop seduction.

They don't know about the one-eyed seductress.

this really horrible.
islam is so perverse.
will the next instruction coming from the koran be to cover women's eye's completely and make them walk like the blind, w/ a cane?

751 pingjockey  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:31:31am

re: #731 Intrepid
I love reading the signs in the background on Game Day. Like the ones you posted, some are just a riot.

752 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:31:33am

re: #706 jaunte

This was a good piece on Ayers:

Sol Stern: Obama’s Real Bill Ayers Problem
"The more pressing issue is not the damage done by the Weather Underground 40 years ago, but the far greater harm inflicted on the nation’s schoolchildren by the political and educational movement in which Ayers plays a leading role today."
[Link: www.city-journal.org...]

Unfortunately, neither Obama nor his critics in the media seem to have a clue about Ayers’s current work and his widespread influence in the education schools. In his last debate with Hillary Clinton, Obama referred to Ayers as a “professor of English,” an error that the media then repeated.

I guarantee you that BHO knows that Ayers isn't just an English professor.

753 jaunte  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:32:17am

re: #732 MandyManners

Looking on the bright side: One of my daughters had a history teacher who was a true product of that push for social-justice teaching. Every class was an opportunity for him to ride his progressive hobby horse. All the kids in his classes were on to him and thought he was an idiot.

754 JSK1121  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:32:40am

re: #746 laZardo

I don't disagree that they hate Russia. Rather I seriously wonder how much they really are willing to risk to stand up to them, seeing as how pretty much all of Europe's oil - and especially Eastern Europe's oil - comes from there.

I'd love to help Eastern Europe out by putting them on a steady diet of ANWR, North Slope, Outer Continental Shelf and Oil Shale. The Dems would rather forsake them I fear.

755 nyc redneck  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:33:14am

re: #730 DeafDog

I'm not giving up....never do that. But we've got to play the hand dealt, too. This is not a good hand.

i understand your frustration.

756 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:33:16am

re: #741 arethusa

I don't think the McCain campaign is that clever, so I don't usually indulge in the chess-move type of speculation, that they "planned this all along." But Palin's attacks on Obama have led Obama to start screaming about the economy louder, to call McCain's leadership "erratic." Wouldn't it be a good moment to hit back on Fannie and Freddie, and show who really is erratic?

(I mean, I would, if I were they. Supposedly they're afraid of seeming racist if they do so, but so? They get accused of racism just for being opposed to Obama, and they don't even have to mention the Community Reinvestment Act, just Fannie and Freddie.)

One thing about this attack is it was done with all the fanfare of "we're going to do this, blah blah".

Smells of bait to me. Obama goes into overdrive countering this. Mac unveils the real attack at the debate.

...a debate on economic issues.

Obama is caught flat footed.

757 Susan2  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:33:46am

re: #717 doriangrey

Thank you for your insight and comments. I've long maintained that animals/pets are a manifestation of God's love for us. They're a gift.

758 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:33:48am

re: #749 Irene NYC

There is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that Ayers and 0bama were more than casual acquaintances. The $100 million Annenberg challenge education funds were acquired to further Ayer's political agenda. 0bama was the vehicle through which those funds were dispersed.

What's the saying? Thick as thieves. Yeah, that about sums it up in a nutshell.

I wonder how much Ayers relied on his bringing BHO to the CAC when he went to BHO's committee to get money.

759 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:34:01am

re: #694 DeafDog
Aside from the fact that I don't think Obama's gonna win, if he does, "He'll blame Bush for everything and the MSM will go right along with him. He will be above criticism forever." is only partially correct. He'll be above criticism for maybe two years, three tops (depending on what damage HE himself does in the first year or two). The American public may let him run with a "I'm trying to pick up the pieces from Bush" meme for awhile, but not for long - and not for long when most of the Public will be hurt in their wallets really badly.

760 lawhawk  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:34:19am

re: #744 itellu3times

It's not a matter of looking backwards. It's a matter of questioning Obama's judgment and character and fitness. He's seen fit to associate with terrorists, criminals (Rezko), anti-American radical preachers (Rev. Wright). It's an insight into his mindset, and it runs counter to what we expect of our President - to protect us from threats foreign and domestic, and here he is running in the same circles as a terrorist who sought to bring about a new revolution in the 1970s, a radical preacher who hates American and routinely rails against the US as being racist, and then has unseemly associations with criminals.

So, while those events are in the historical record, they inform as to who what Obama is.

761 JSK1121  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:34:23am

re: #750 nyc redneck

this really horrible.
islam is so perverse.
will the next instruction coming from the koran be to cover women's eye's completely and make them walk like the blind, w/ a cane?

Too bad seeing-eye dogs are haram.

762 pingjockey  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:34:30am

re: #739 realwest
The hate is palpable. All of those former satellites and USSR 'Republics' want nothing to do with Putin and a resurgent Russian Empire. They will fight before they're reabsorbed.

763 jaunte  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:34:31am

re: #752 MandyManners

Lying by Obamission

764 yma o hyd  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:34:35am

re: #717 doriangrey

Sorry I can only upding you only once for this excellent post!
All I can say is - just so! Spot on!
Thank you!

765 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:34:51am

re: #753 jaunte

Looking on the bright side: One of my daughters had a history teacher who was a true product of that push for social-justice teaching. Every class was an opportunity for him to ride his progressive hobby horse. All the kids in his classes were on to him and thought he was an idiot.

Not nearly enough students are aware of that kind of twisted thinking.

766 yochanan  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:35:29am

it is fun to put up freshly printed bumper stickers were the oil based ink is still wet takes 2 days to dry as the stickers are plastic coated and to sit back and watch the OBAMATON try to take the sticker off and then get oil based ink on her hands and cloths HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE EVIL LIZARD LAUGH

Then i once saw this little old lady take one down if she was 5' it was pushing it so I replaced it as she was watching at about 8' level on the light post

767 rightside  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:35:38am

re: #745 doriangrey

Good morning dorian, I am well thanks..hope your mouth is feeling better..

768 loflyer  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:36:11am

re: #734 rightside

No, I was never selected for that. I achieved the rank of P.O.1 withing 7 years, then never advanced past that for the remaining 13.

Yaaar, strange how things work like that, I made PO2 after six years, and gave it up. Now I feel like a CPO in my section, we ain't fracken' around, and we ain't taking prisoners! Everyone of us on the job would rather be somewhere else. Best to have as much fun as you can getting the job done right and on time....

769 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:36:22am

re: #763 jaunte

Lying by Obamission

It's telling how the MSM just went along with BHO on that.

771 FrogMarch  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:37:17am

re: #709 loflyer

Arrrr, from what I understand of Hollywood politics, It's a miracle the thing was even released. Enjoy the show, Frog!

Thanks. It doesn't seem to be raising much excitement.

772 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:37:25am

re: #757 Susan2

Thank you for your insight and comments. I've long maintained that animals/pets are a manifestation of God's love for us. They're a gift.


All except for those man killing African rogue Elephants i watched a special on yesterday..I hope they don't go to heaven..
I'd rather choose to run than have to run.

773 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:37:27am

re: #766 yochanan

Ummmmmmm...isn't that vandalism and could lead to destruction of private property if it got on a car?

774 Irene NYC  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:37:41am

re: #758 MandyManners

I wonder how much Ayers relied on his bringing BHO to the CAC when he went to BHO's committee to get money.


0bama's been groomed since Day 1. He was the perfect candidate. Which isn't to say that he was the only candidate. If he had not worked out, someone else would have been found.

But 0bama did work out. Better than anybody could have hoped. The rest, as they say, is history.

775 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:38:13am

I wonder if Hollywood is feeling neglected with the spotlight on Chicago.

776 doriangrey  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:38:58am

re: #754 JSK1121

The Dems would rather forsake them I fear.

No, the dems understand that their power comes from solving crises, since genuine crises do not have a tendency to show up when needed they often need to be manufactured. More importantly, the dems also recognize that any crises that they cannot profit from is a crises to be avoided at all costs.

Eastern Europe suffers from the brutal reality that their crises are not profitable to the democrats.

777 songbird  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:39:05am

Must go to church. See you all later!

778 Irene NYC  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:39:09am

re: #758 MandyManners

I wonder how much Ayers relied on his bringing BHO to the CAC when he went to BHO's committee to get money.

Mandy - that was the money AYERS got. He was the senior operative. We're talking about $100 million here. Even Annenberg wasn't going to turn over those type of funds to a newbie.

779 rightside  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:39:16am

re: #768 loflyer

I agree with that...once I retired, I went right back to instruct again where I was stationed before.

780 shug  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:39:44am

Morning folks.

anybody seen An American Carol yet?

781 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:39:44am

re: #774 Irene NYC

Groomed since day one, you bet.

He's not his own man.

782 nyc redneck  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:40:17am

re: #770 Ojoe

Many canyons defined by the morning light. San Gabriel Mountains, California, Pacific time zone. (the Towercam).

Good Morning all.
Cowboy breakfast.

good morning ojoe,
look at that wonderful breakfast. i'd have to eat ALL of that fine spread that i wanted, no matter what obama or the 3rd world said.
biscuits and gravy, scrambled, eggs and it looks like sausage.
beautiful sky above, fresh air, and cowboys voting for mccain.

783 Perry  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:40:21am

re: #717 doriangrey
Lovely job.

784 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:40:43am

I would like McCain to hammer Obama on his flip-flopped positions since the primary. It seems like every position Obama staked out when he was running against Hillary and Edwards has changed drastically in his attempt to run to the middle.

Has McCain changed any of his positions since the Rep primary? None that I am aware of.

He needs to nail Obama on:

* Tax cuts for 95 percent of Americans - Obama has said he may not enact those, or he may.

* Drastic cuts in military spending

* Naive diplomacy statements about talking with enemies sans preconditions

* His voting record in the IL state senate and US senate

Many more that I can't think of yet until the coffee kicks in.

That IN ADDITION TO hammering Obama on his associations and his gaffes on the trail. Pull out the stops, Mac, and go on the offensive!

785 jacksontn  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:40:55am

Why is this even being discussed at Georgetown? And what modern states do you think they are talking about ........ one of the 57 states of Obama?

[Link: events.georgetown.edu...]

There is no room for Sharia law in any of our states Obama.

786 loflyer  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:41:05am

Arrr, mates, BBL, got errands to run and dogs to play with! catch y'all later!
PS. Metro Atlanta lizards are invited to a meet on Sunday Oct 12 5 PM at Manuals tavern. Be prepared to meet one sober and defiant pirate!

787 rw in san diego  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:41:18am

re: #679 MandyManners

Good morning, all.

Who is WAB?

788 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:41:49am

re: #780 shug

Morning folks.

anybody seen An American Carol yet?

Yup... enjoyable movie. A few low brow comic moments that I could have done without and we needed more time with President Washington.

But good flick, go see it.

789 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:42:16am

re: #774 Irene NYC

0bama's been groomed since Day 1. He was the perfect candidate. Which isn't to say that he was the only candidate. If he had not worked out, someone else would have been found.

But 0bama did work out. Better than anybody could have hoped. The rest, as they say, is history.

I found this here the other day. It's from 2004, long before BHO came to national attention.

BOSTON – Without a formidable Republican opponent in his U.S. Senate race, Barack Obama has little reason not to take money from billionaire liberal financier George Soros, a man other Democrats keep at a distance.

When Obama took the stage Tuesday night for a prime-time address at the Democratic National Convention, the candidate for Senate in Illinois was introduced to a wider audience for the first time, bringing heightened scrutiny to the relative political newcomer's campaign.

SNIP

Obama, however, is different from most Democrats because of his willingness to embrace the controversial Soros. Shortly after Soros equated the abuses at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq to the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, Obama joined him in New York for a fund-raiser June 7.

The event, held at Soros' home, boosted Obama's campaign at a time he was still facing a challenge from Republican Jack Ryan. After news broke about information in Ryan's divorce records, the candidate was forced to drop out. The Illinois GOP has yet to find a replacement.

Obama, meanwhile, has emerged as the party's young face. He was selected over longtime party stalwarts to speak Tuesday night, and he has seized the opportunity.

Little has been made of his connection to Soros, although it is unique. Not only did Soros donate to Obama's campaign, but four other family members - Jennifer, sons Jonathan and Robert and wife Susan - did as well.

Because of a special provision campaign finance laws, the Soroses were able to give a collective $60,000 to Obama during his primary challenge. Obama faced millionaire Blair Hull, which allowed donors to give more than typically allowed.

SNIP

790 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:42:16am

re: #698 MandyManners
I'd ordniarily agree with you; no proof = shaddup about it. But there are TOO MANY connections, too many "coincidental" connections between them all for me to stop questioning it all. And you can never tell; when Obama gets full of himself, he has a tendancy to ah, talk too much, ya know? Pressing him on this is one way to find out what he really knows and did (does) have to do with Ayers, Dorhn and what the WAB has to do with 'em. We've already caught him out on a semi-lie ("I was 4 years old when these things happend" and "I just know Bill Ayers in passing") - which revealed their at least 10 years together as two of three members of the board of that Chicago charity.
And I still think there's a connection between Sidley, Austin and all of them (iirc, Obama did a summer internship or somesuch with that firm that also hired Dorhn and WAB) - and I think that connection is someone or some client at/of that law firm.

791 doriangrey  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:42:48am

re: #767 rightside

Good morning dorian, I am well thanks..hope your mouth is feeling better..

Slowly but surely, and as I told realwest, it's the slowly part that is driving me nuts...

792 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:43:38am

re: #782 nyc redneck

It's a great country

793 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:44:11am

re: #778 Irene NYC

Mandy - that was the money AYERS got. He was the senior operative. We're talking about $100 million here. Even Annenberg wasn't going to turn over those type of funds to a newbie.

BHO was on the funding committee which disbursed to Ayers' "collaborative" committee.

794 J.S.  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:44:24am

re: #784 Intrepid

Among one of Hussein's "projects" if elected is to rid the United States of nuclear weapons. That is, he wants to ensure the United States is without any defenses, and to make sure all enemy states are well armed. Hussein figures, it's "leading by example" and if the U.S. gets rid of its nukes, Pah-kee-STAHN will naturally follow...That's just a portion of Hussein's impending "foreign policy" plans...

795 yochanan  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:44:38am

re: #773 MandyManners

they are just printed on contact paper so they don't damange anything
the thing is that they do come off easy but then instead of the 3$ some on the on line stickers sell for these cost me about 5 cent to print if that much.

796 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:44:51am

re: #787 rw in san diego

Good morning, all.

Who is WAB?

Whiny Ass Bitch, a/k/a, Michelle Obaman.

797 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:45:01am

re: #713 nyc redneck
Good morning to you and that was a fine post. Thank you.
Hope you're doing well today!

798 Colin Nelson  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:45:30am

Thanos - Apologies. By mistake I down dinged your link to the Ayers story. Was not able to figure out how to fix the error. Sorry.

The article was another nail in the coffin for all but the blind (can we still say blind?) to see.

799 DeafDog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:45:37am

re: #740 J.S.

I also suspect that if Hussein becomes Prez, he'll suddenly start putting (some) of his words into deeds -- that is, he'll purge the nation of any perceived "enemies" -- as in going after the "war criminals," etc., that would be Bush, Cheney, etc. He'll probably start that within the first few months of assuming office (along with closing Gitmo) -- and it'll be just around the time that Iran wants to get onto the Security Council at the United Nations (which Hussein will, of course, have no problems with)...

My fears are much worse than just that. BHO's policies will be a disaster on every level.

Disaster after disaster will be met with a response that says, "I need to reverse the 8 years that proceeded. If I was president in 2000, none of this would have happened to start with. This is is really GWB's fault."

And of course, World events won't stop either. Expect a major Terrorist activity in Iraq and Afghanastan early in the BHO admin. BHO will scaddadle out ASAP. Oil price will spike again. A richer Russia will invade the Ukraine. Oil will spike higher. The 'alternative' fuels that Barak promised will still just be a pipe dream. The MSM will make excuses that it's "GWB's fault. Barak can't fix everything overnight. Alernative fuels are just around the corner." Places like talk radio that speak out against Obmba's incompetence will be shut down for national security.

But who knows, maybe I'm just a mistaken alarmist. After all, Madeline Albright, Joe Biden, Wesley Clark and Zbignew Brezenski will be there giving BHO advice. What could really go wrong?

800 yma o hyd  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:46:08am

re: #759 realwest

Aside from the fact that I don't think Obama's gonna win, if he does, "He'll blame Bush for everything and the MSM will go right along with him. He will be above criticism forever." is only partially correct. He'll be above criticism for maybe two years, three tops (depending on what damage HE himself does in the first year or two). The American public may let him run with a "I'm trying to pick up the pieces from Bush" meme for awhile, but not for long - and not for long when most of the Public will be hurt in their wallets really badly.

Thats a good analysis - I've been thinking to meself this morning, what if the worst happens and B0 gets into the White House?
You in the USA have the wonderful prerogative of chucking out parst of the Senate and the House of Representatives every two years.
Thus, I'd bet in the mid-term elections youd' have both houses controlled by (new) Republicans. B0 would be a lame duck from then on in, and would not be able to do much damage.
The first two years are the stumbling block - and this means that Americans all over the country ought to chuck out as many representatives as they can in the coming elections.

(Please correct me if I'm totally off beam here!)

801 rightside  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:46:09am

re: #780 shug

LOL @ Traficant image!

Good morning.

802 doriangrey  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:46:51am

re: #798 Colin Nelson

Thanos - Apologies. By mistake I down dinged your link to the Ayers story. Was not able to figure out how to fix the error. Sorry.

The article was another nail in the coffin for all but the blind (can we still say blind?) to see.

Ummm, I think you click the plus icon.

803 yochanan  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 8:47:45am