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Associated Press Hits Bottom, Digs

Politics | Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 9:41:14 am PDT

The Associated Press article on Sarah Palin’s comments about William Ayers is a Category 7 jaw-dropper. Apparently, now even criticizing Obama’s associations with white violent radicals is racist: Analysis: Palin’s words carry racial tinge.

Palin’s words avoid repulsing voters with overt racism. But is there another subtext for creating the false image of a black presidential nominee “palling around” with terrorists while assuring a predominantly white audience that he doesn’t see their America?

Her reference to Obama’s relationship with William Ayers, a member of the Vietnam-era Weather Underground, was exaggerated at best if not outright false. No evidence shows they were “pals” or even close when they worked on community boards years ago and Ayers hosted a political event for Obama early in his career.

Obama, who was a child when the Weathermen were planting bombs, has denounced Ayers’ radical views and actions. ...

In a post-Sept. 11 America, terrorists are envisioned as dark-skinned radical Muslims, not the homegrown anarchists of Ayers’ day 40 years ago. With Obama a relative unknown when he began his campaign, the Internet hummed with false e-mails about ties to radical Islam of a foreign-born candidate.

Whether intended or not by the McCain campaign, portraying Obama as “not like us” is another potential appeal to racism. It suggests that the Hawaiian-born Christian is, at heart, un-American.

This really is the election in which the mainstream media have thrown all their claims to impartiality right into the sewer. It’s sickening to see.

(Hat tip: Jorline.)

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1 zombie  10/05/08 9:44:24 am reply quote

No matter WHAT you say about Obama -- you're a RACIST!

2 nigella  10/05/08 9:44:51 am reply quote

Just can't believe what I am seeing and reading from the MSM! Has the whole country gone nuts?

3 zombie  10/05/08 9:44:59 am reply quote

"I'm not so sure about this Obama guy--

"RACIST!"

4 joncelli  10/05/08 9:44:59 am reply quote

From now on, just opposing Obambi is going to be racist for the AP. 30 days left and it's gonna get even uglier than it already is.

5 BigPapa  10/05/08 9:45:09 am reply quote

They'll hit China soon... Wow, that was double entendracist.

6 Macker  10/05/08 9:45:14 am reply quote

What else should we be expect from the Associated (with Terrorists) Press?

7 elevenbravo1969  10/05/08 9:45:25 am reply quote

Only correct opinions will be allowed.

8 Occasional Reader  10/05/08 9:45:38 am reply quote
(Hat tip: Occasional Reader.)

Dang.

Much as I loves me some hat tips, in the previous thread I was reacting to another lizard who posted the link... have to go see who it was.

9 karmic_inquisitor  10/05/08 9:45:38 am reply quote

It is not the First Amendment that I knew.

10 MandyManners  10/05/08 9:45:48 am reply quote

Ayers is not black nor is he Arabic.

11 arethusa  10/05/08 9:45:49 am reply quote

Oh, for goodness's sake.

I hope someday we can change the post title to "...digs own grave as a responsible news organization."

12 Max Darkside  10/05/08 9:45:52 am reply quote

Even though he's maternally white.

13 DistantThunder  10/05/08 9:46:04 am reply quote

Ayers is proof that terrorists come in every color of the rainbow.

The white terrorists who were going to blow up the Non-Commissioned officers dance at Fort Dix with a nail bomb to kill soldiers and their wives and girlfriends.

They were white friends of Bill Ayers.

I'm happy to talk about White terrorists. Let's not hide behind race - let's talk about all the white terrorists.

Does the shade of skin rally matter?

14 BigPapa  10/05/08 9:46:23 am reply quote

After the election, criticizing his His Changeness will be un-American.

This is Change Orwell Wrote About.

15 MandyManners  10/05/08 9:46:36 am reply quote

re: #8 Occasional Reader

Dang.

Much as I loves me some hat tips, in the previous thread I was reacting to another lizard who posted the link... have to go see who it was.

Jorline?

16 unrealizedviewpoint  10/05/08 9:46:38 am reply quote

ahh, don't blame them.. there's no defense for Obama's palling around with terrorists. What do you expect them to do.. but charge racism?

/

17 Kreuzueber Halbmond  10/05/08 9:46:39 am reply quote
In a post-Sept. 11 America, terrorists are envisioned as dark-skinned radical Muslims

And journalists are envisioned as empty-headed left wing propagandists.

18 Opinionated  10/05/08 9:46:41 am reply quote

Soviet leaders, Arab leaders, other tyrants, were used to getting 99% of the vote in their "elections".

Much of that was fraud and fear but there was also the fact that the State's media organs where all for that one candidate.

In this election we too will have fear, fraud, and the press and media promoting one candidate.

At least Obama will not get 99% proving there are still some courageous and intelligent Americans.

19 Wishing  10/05/08 9:47:01 am reply quote

Here is a young black rrepublican who is trying to *unchackle the brains* of Democrats

Linky

20 zombie  10/05/08 9:47:08 am reply quote
Whether intended or not by the McCain campaign, portraying Obama as “not like us” is another potential appeal to racism. It suggests that the Hawaiian-born Christian is, at heart, un-American.

Who in the hell wrote this? It doesn't even make any sense. They're stretching the bubblegum of their logic so thin, it's going to pop in their faces!

21 karmic_inquisitor  10/05/08 9:47:10 am reply quote

So if/when he is POTUS, will criticism of his policies and decision making be subject to the same mind numbing counter charge of racism?

Is that supposed to last for 4 years?

22 Occasional Reader  10/05/08 9:47:10 am reply quote

Hat tip honors properly go to... jorline.

23 Wishing  10/05/08 9:47:38 am reply quote

re: #19 Wishing

Unshackle...PIMF

24 lawhawk  10/05/08 9:47:41 am reply quote

Post 9/11 American envisions terrorists as being dark skinned radical Muslims?

Well, they're half right - many terrorists are radical Muslims. Some may even be dark skinned - but it's not the color of their skin that bothers me - it's the content of their black hearts - that think nothing of engaging in mass murder and carnage on levels heretofore never seen before in the annals of history.

Or is it racist for me to use the term black heart to describe terrorists in such fashion.

The media does nothing but shill for Obama with every passing day, and there are no constraints on objectivity. None. And if the McCain campaign doesn't start fighting with both barrels they will lose against this relentless onslaught because the media will do them no favors at all. Palin's fight is a start, but the GOP better have much more than just Gov. Palin taking the fight to the Democrats and the media.

25 akak  10/05/08 9:47:42 am reply quote

re: #17 Kreuzueber Halbmond

And journalists are envisioned as empty-headed left wing propagandists.


racist

26 MJ  10/05/08 9:47:53 am reply quote
"This really is the election in which the mainstream media have thrown all their claims to impartiality right into the sewer. It’s sickening to see."

I'd much rather have a press that come right out and says we are not
"impartial" than a press that claims to be telling all sides of the story.
In the same way that nearly everyone who read Pravda knew it was the house organ of the Communist Party, so I'd rather have folks read the NYT or read dispatches from the AP and know they are reading the house organ of the Democratic Party.

It's not what you read, it where you read it.

27 BLBfootballs  10/05/08 9:47:56 am reply quote

How do journalists who write stuff like this keep a job or tie their shoes? The "logic" is grotesque!

A "potential appeal to racism"?! Outlandish!

28 DistantThunder  10/05/08 9:48:01 am reply quote

No white terrorists in the Lincoln Bedroom or the White House.

Remeber Bill Clinton's gang: "Stroke of the pen, law of the land, pretty cool?"

What would Obama and Bill Ayers do with our military?

29 Occasional Reader  10/05/08 9:48:05 am reply quote
Analysis: Palin’s words carry racial tinge.

AP: Putting the "anal" in "analysis".

30 nigella  10/05/08 9:48:10 am reply quote

Saw that meet the depressed this morning is saying you can't link someone to someone they knew.....Of course you can if you link Bush/McCain. That's different. And by the way would someone shut Peggy Noonan's stupid mouth? She's jumped the shark for sure regarding Sarah Palin.

31 arethusa  10/05/08 9:48:29 am reply quote

I think Palin should mock the AP story, like she did the NYT story on Ayers yesterday.

"Well, this morning, I was reading the news, and the AP called me a racist for saying...what do YOU think?"

32 unrealizedviewpoint  10/05/08 9:48:34 am reply quote

re: #4 joncelli

From now on, just opposing Obambi is going to be racist for the AP. 30 days left and it's gonna get even uglier than it already is.

I think these racism charges will backfire big-time on them. Most folks aren't racists, and it pisses us off when accused.

33 Shug  10/05/08 9:48:44 am reply quote

Obama is unlike us.

Us love america

34 markx  10/05/08 9:48:54 am reply quote

Yellow journalism.

..oops, racist.

35 DistantThunder  10/05/08 9:49:36 am reply quote

White terrorists for Obama!

36 Arkay  10/05/08 9:49:39 am reply quote

Everyone in the press are squealing like piglets for their chance to perform political fellatio on the corpse of Marx these days. Most unsightly.

37 Irene NYC  10/05/08 9:50:24 am reply quote

re: #31 arethusa

I think Palin should mock the AP story, like she did the NYT story on Ayers yesterday.

"Well, this morning, I was reading the news, and the AP called me a racist for saying...what do YOU think?"


She should have a daily riff on the MSM every single day.

Now THAT would be fun to watch!

38 karmic_inquisitor  10/05/08 9:50:25 am reply quote

Meanwhile in the Magic Kingdom, women are told to wear one-eyed veils to end a pandemic of seduction that has occured on account of exposing two eyes.

I don't know what culture is more stifling: Saudi or Obamaton.

39 pat  10/05/08 9:50:35 am reply quote

Ayers is antiAmerican. He makes no bones about it.

40 jaunte  10/05/08 9:50:41 am reply quote

Left Stream Media

41 DistantThunder  10/05/08 9:50:57 am reply quote

We're going to have to start wearing armbands that say Unfairly Branded Racist

42 Occasional Reader  10/05/08 9:51:11 am reply quote
Palin’s words avoid repulsing voters with overt racism.

Oh, thank goodness she's at least not using the OVERT racism... (but you know she wants to, right? According to our AP "analysis", it's irrefutably true)

/spit

43 zombie  10/05/08 9:51:25 am reply quote
Her reference to Obama’s relationship with William Ayers, a member of the Vietnam-era Weather Underground, was exaggerated at best if not outright false. No evidence shows they were “pals” or even close when they worked on community boards years ago and Ayers hosted a political event for Obama early in his career.

Yeah -- because I always host political fundraisers in my private home for people I hardly know. An everyday occurrence!

"Hmmm, I know absolutely nothing about State Senator Hubert Finkelberry. I've never met him, I've barely even heard of his name. Scanning his list of political opinions, I see that I absolutely disagree with most of them. There's only one possible course of action: I'm hosting a Finkelberry fundraiser in my home tomorrow night! PARTY AT ZOMBIE'S!"

44 Kreuzueber Halbmond  10/05/08 9:51:28 am reply quote

AP - mostly tinged with stupidity.

45 BigPapa  10/05/08 9:51:34 am reply quote

"There is no Islamic Terrorism. There has never been Islamic Terrorism. Oceana has always been at war with Greedy Capitalists."

46 NoSubmission  10/05/08 9:51:58 am reply quote

Someone asked me recently if my stance on Obama was due to the fact that 'maybe I was a racist.' Well, I just about blew my stack. First off, this person knows nothing about me. I told her and the entire room that it had absolutely nothing to do with racism and that I resented that comment. I am white and grew up in Harlem and therefore consider myself black in some ways. I just don't like Obama. What is so hard to understand about that?

When Obama loses in November [God willing] the cries of racism will be heard into the next galaxy. But none of those people will even mention REV. [g-dDamn America] WRIGHT!

47 experiencedtraveller  10/05/08 9:52:04 am reply quote
This really is the election in which the mainstream media have thrown all their claims to impartiality right into the sewer. It’s sickening to see.

Then so be it. Lets get back to the way the press operated during and after our Revolution. Each side publishes its own news. Let the citizen read each side and make his decision.

The "neutral" press was a construction of the MSM of the 1930's and 1940's to protect its (incredibly lucrative) television broadcasting oligarchy. They were never truly neutral but wise enough to hide their intentions. Now, with the Internet their business model is threatened and they have no business reason to mask their ideology.

48 Intrepid  10/05/08 9:52:17 am reply quote

Barack Obama the post-racial candidate has become the most-racial candidate.

With the direct assistance of the MSM he has set back race relations in this country by probably 30-40 years.

If we cannot oppose him because of his association with known terrorists without being labeled a "racist" by the MSM, then we must somehow unseat these race-baiters from their lofty positions of judgement.

It also points to something that may prove troubling for Obama on Nov 4 - the more the "racist" label is thrown around, the more people are going to lie to the pollsters but pull a different lever in the voting booth.

49 activatedsludge  10/05/08 9:52:28 am reply quote

The media are the enemy.

50 MandyManners  10/05/08 9:52:31 am reply quote

How embedded is Soros in the MSM?

Does his hedge fund have any investment in AP, however tenuous?

51 karmic_inquisitor  10/05/08 9:52:31 am reply quote

Charles -

You need to add another icon on the comment headers.

A simple 'R!' will do so that we can label any bitter, clingy comments about Obama et al as Racist!

52 Max Darkside  10/05/08 9:52:44 am reply quote

I sense a "fake but accurate" tinge in the AP's ANALysis.

53 MarkX  10/05/08 9:52:53 am reply quote

re: #41 DistantThunder

We're going to have to start wearing armbands that say Unfairly Branded Racist

No, soon there were will be "RACIST" patches sewn to your coat after Obambi is elected.

54 DistantThunder  10/05/08 9:52:58 am reply quote

Shame on us Republicans for letting this fascist socialist menace fester for so long without CONSTANT challenge. We are in full-blown war!

55 NoSubmission  10/05/08 9:53:05 am reply quote

Just like OJ, Obama will set race relations back 50 years.

Change.

56 Occasional Reader  10/05/08 9:53:09 am reply quote

re: #43 zombie

A vote for Finkelberry is a vote for CHANGE.

57 rightymouse  10/05/08 9:53:54 am reply quote
Most troubling, however, is how allowing racism to creep into the discussion serves McCain's purpose so well. As the fallout from Wright's sermons showed earlier this year, forcing Obama to abandon issues to talk about race leads to unresolved arguments about America's promise to treat all people equally.

Dude...the ones bringing up issues of ethnicity are you and your running buddies. If Obama cannot be criticized or scrutinized like any other candidate, who exactly is the racist? And who exactly refuses to treat ALL people equally?

58 Irene NYC  10/05/08 9:53:56 am reply quote

re: #50 MandyManners

How embedded is Soros in the MSM?

Does his hedge fund have any investment in AP, however tenuous?


Oh Mandy, the guy has funded so many journalists for so long, I don't even know where to begin. We're not talking tenuous here, we're talking DIRECT.

59 CyanSnowHawk  10/05/08 9:53:58 am reply quote

re: #38 karmic_inquisitor

Meanwhile in the Magic Kingdom, women are told to wear one-eyed veils to end a pandemic of seduction that has occured on account of exposing two eyes.

I don't know what culture is more stifling: Saudi or Obamaton.

That way they can restrict their driving based on a lack of depth perception.

/It's evil genius I tell you.

60 DistantThunder  10/05/08 9:53:59 am reply quote

re: #53 MarkX

No, soon there were will be "RACIST" patches sewn to your coat after Obambi is elected.

I was trying to be pre-emptive

61 pat  10/05/08 9:54:02 am reply quote

In fact the MSM has been dying to label her a racist since the day she was chosen. Remember The Sambo story that turned out to be totally fabricated?

62 shanec99  10/05/08 9:54:05 am reply quote

re: #31 arethusa

I think Palin should mock the AP story, like she did the NYT story on Ayers yesterday.

"Well, this morning, I was reading the news, and the AP called me a racist for saying...what do YOU think?"


You know for a while there it seemed that most of America was willing to give Obama a chance to stand and be heard. The only problem is, his friends in the media don't want anyone else heard, especially the people who tell the truth about him especially his friendship with racists and terrorists.

Please never ask him about his pastor... or CNN will call you racist.

Absolutely never question his friendship with Ayers whose organization only failed in its attempt to do to the Pentagon what Osama bin Laden's organization achieved on 9/11.

63 MandyManners  10/05/08 9:54:21 am reply quote

re: #16 unrealizedviewpoint

ahh, don't blame them.. there's no defense for Obama's palling around with terrorists. What do you expect them to do.. but charge racism?

/

What else can they do?

64 karmic_inquisitor  10/05/08 9:54:22 am reply quote

re: #43 zombie

Notice that the Annenberg Challenge grants are not mentioned.

Ayers - the guy who got the grant.

Obama - the guy who was appointed to spend the grant.

No relationship that I can detect.

/

65 Occasional Reader  10/05/08 9:55:07 am reply quote

re: #46 NoSubmission

Someone asked me recently if my stance on Obama was due to the fact that 'maybe I was a racist.'

The fact that you're not blogging right now from lockup shows that you have greater self-restraint than I do.

66 MandyManners  10/05/08 9:55:14 am reply quote

re: #58 Irene NYC

Oh Mandy, the guy has funded so many journalists for so long, I don't even know where to begin. We're not talking tenuous here, we're talking DIRECT.

He has money invested in AP itself?

67 DistantThunder  10/05/08 9:55:19 am reply quote

We've understimated the battle for the truth. We let them get too strong over the decades. We've abandoned our youth to them. They are stealing our children.

68 BigPapa  10/05/08 9:55:24 am reply quote

"He was just a guy I served on two boards with, and I was 8 when he made bombs and blew up some shit. I reject those radical views he had when blowing up shit, but I share his current.... I don't really know this guy, it's not like we're buddies or anything. He held a fundraiser at his house one night, it's not like I know everybody who throws a fundraiser for me. To imply as such is racist."

69 BLBfootballs  10/05/08 9:56:06 am reply quote

So if Obama was linked to terrorists with brown skin, would it then be non-racist to explore those links? Or it racist to discuss Obama's links to terrorists irrespective of their skin color?

What about if McCain was linked to terrorists? Would it be racist to discuss his links to dark-skinned terrorists? How about white-skinned terrorists? How about terrorists whose skin pulses with alternating bands of color?

I guess it doesn't matter -- every discussion of this issue is by definition yet another "potential appeal to racism"...

Even if you can't win a war of facts, you can always manipulate the language to repossess the battlefield.

70 Who Watches the Watchmen?  10/05/08 9:56:08 am reply quote

re: #57 rightymouse

Dude...the ones bringing up issues of ethnicity are you and your running buddies. If Obama cannot be criticized or scrutinized like any other candidate, who exactly is the racist? And who exactly refuses to treat ALL people equally?

AMERIKKKA does. What more explanation do you need?

71 unrealizedviewpoint  10/05/08 9:56:48 am reply quote

re: #53 MarkX

No, soon there were will be "RACIST" patches sewn to your coat after Obambi is elected.

Just a big "R'
It'll stand for either "racists" or "racists republican"

72 Irene NYC  10/05/08 9:57:04 am reply quote

re: #66 MandyManners

He has money invested in AP itself?


For example, the groups that he has funded give "sabbatical grants" for, say, 3 months, to journalists to study "topics of interest."

73 x-ray  10/05/08 9:57:06 am reply quote

Maybe it's just a failure to communicate.

The AP and MSM use allot of words I used to think I knew the meaning of i.e.

Fiscally responsible
Truth
Accountability
Transparency
Bailout
Intelligent
Dirty politics

Seems that when they use these words they mean something different than what I think they mean.

74 karmic_inquisitor  10/05/08 9:57:22 am reply quote

Time to ask our friends -

How old were you when Charles Manson led the Tate/LaBianca murders?

Would you associate with him now as if they didn't happen?

75 snowcrash  10/05/08 9:57:35 am reply quote

I really don't care how the AP spins this. Doubt must be planted in the undecided voters mind that Obama will not put the country's best interest first and is not qualified to be President.

76 Max Darkside  10/05/08 9:57:39 am reply quote

A black male suggested my white wife was racist for not voting for Obama. My wife fired back the reverse, that if that he did not vote for McCain *he* was racist. Sparks ensued but he eventually conceded my wife was right about the bias of his original statement and how ridiculous he sounded.

77 MandyManners  10/05/08 9:57:45 am reply quote

re: #72 Irene NYC

For example, the groups that he has funded give "sabbatical grants" for, say, 3 months, to journalists to study "topics of interest."

Wow! Really?! Links?

78 BigPapa  10/05/08 9:57:53 am reply quote

re: #74 karmic_inquisitor

Time to ask our friends -

How old were you when Charles Manson led the Tate/LaBianca murders?

Would you associate with him now as if they didn't happen?

Oh.... that'll leave a mark.

79 arethusa  10/05/08 9:57:54 am reply quote

I'm still puzzled by charges of racism against Republicans re: Obama. Most Republicans are voting for McCain anyway (85-90% or so in most of the polls I've seen). So if any voters are voting against Obama because of his race, wouldn't they be...Democrats?

80 MarkX  10/05/08 9:58:05 am reply quote

OT:

Biden high on Botox?

ROFMAO

Why are all these Dims (Hillary, Pelosi, Biden) so high on it?

/Don't answer that...

81 NoSubmission  10/05/08 9:58:08 am reply quote

re: #65 Occasional Reader

The fact that you're not blogging right now from lockup shows that you have greater self-restraint than I do.


I was at a party in Westchester last night with my boyfriend's family and they are all voting Obama. You can't reason with them. I almost had one uncle swayed but he's willfully ignoring hard evidence in the case against BHO.

If it were MY mother's house, it would be a very different conversation because there are NO liberals in my family. Period.

82 Alamo18  10/05/08 9:58:12 am reply quote

I couldn't agree more . The media cheer leading for Obama is now so shameless and blatant that its become a joke. Any remaining fig leaf of neutrality has been given up long ago.What we have left is a media version of the Daily Kos. Pass the sick bag please.

83 MandyManners  10/05/08 9:58:25 am reply quote

re: #72 Irene NYC

For example, the groups that he has funded give "sabbatical grants" for, say, 3 months, to journalists to study "topics of interest."

It's not that I doubt you, Irene. I just have this thing for links about that bastard. I'm up to close to 70 on him.

84 rightymouse  10/05/08 9:58:35 am reply quote

re: #70 Who Watches the Watchmen?

AMERIKKKA does. What more explanation do you need?

Their hollering racism to stifle scrutiny is such an obvious canard, eh?

85 Spider Mensch  10/05/08 9:58:58 am reply quote

the msm is into far with obama to let go now. there is alot more on the line to all the media right now to admit there is something wrong with obama. when he loses, they go down with him. they're losing credibility now and before obama, what happens to them (msm) when their golden boy loses? answer is they tank! worse than they are tanking now. they know it, they will pull out every back sided trick they can, from the nightly news to snl and letterman, to oprah and the hags on the view. including the movie making industry. all in the tank for obama.if he loses they look worse to America than they even do now. All the more reason to vote McCain/Palin, kill two ass turds at the same time with one vote, sink obama and the msm, it don't get no sweeter. of course I know I preach to the choir.

86 MarkX  10/05/08 9:59:00 am reply quote

re: #71 unrealizedviewpoint

Just a big "R'
It'll stand for either "racists" or "racists republican"

Yeah, the scarlet letter for the 21st century.

87 looking closely  10/05/08 9:59:11 am reply quote

So its racist for Black men to associate with White terrorists?

/who knew.

88 MarkX  10/05/08 9:59:44 am reply quote

Brunch time...

later, Lizards...

be good.

89 Jetpilot1101  10/05/08 9:59:47 am reply quote

I'm already assuming that my moonbat sister-in-law thinks I am a racist. You know what is sad; I go to work everyday and work to ensure she has the right to say and believe that.

I don't have a racist bone in my body. Obama is incompetent and not fit to lead the free world. If my opposition to him makes me a racist, someone needs to open up a dictionary and start reading.

90 gymnast  10/05/08 9:59:51 am reply quote

OT, Re: Citigroup, Wachovia take over attempt. Google "Saudi-American Bank" and "SAMBA". See relationship between (google) "Kingdom Group" and Citigroup. Old news to old LGF hands but new news today in light of Citigroup's injunction regarding takeover of Wachovia. Charles, are you taking note of these developments? Are the taxpayers of America paying for a bailout or more of a Saudi takeover?

91 lawhawk  10/05/08 10:00:01 am reply quote

The only one making racist accusations has been Obama. Anyone pointing out anything even the slightest bit unflattering about Obama, let alone serious accusations of inexperience, lack of achievements, substantive positions that are directly harmful to US national security and foreign policy, undermine US security interests around the world, or expose Obama's tax and spend policies, is deemed a racist.

I hate being called a racist. Makes my blood boil.

Especially since I don't judge Obama by the color of his skin but by the content of his character and on that, I find him sorely lacking. I judge him on his policies, and they are the opposite of what the nation needs. Taxing and spending will only increase the government's intrusion into every aspect of life and the economy, and the government does not have the solutions to all of life's problems.

92 Irene NYC  10/05/08 10:00:08 am reply quote

re: #77 MandyManners

Wow! Really?! Links?


I know people who got the grants. One was to study minority females and their incarceration rates and the effect on their children, if I remember correctly.

93 DistantThunder  10/05/08 10:00:18 am reply quote

In the deprogramming literature I've read, when the victim is resistant to most news and facts, they said it is helpful in exit-counseling (the non-coercive version of deprogramming) to show them example of other people in other places who share their concerns, or examples of brainwashing in other cultures and governments.

I'm going to start sending examples of socialist systems in other countries and the problems those socialist systems have to my poor brother.

OMG

94 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican  10/05/08 10:00:19 am reply quote

So I guess I can support Hitler now, it would be fine. He committed his atrocities decades before I was born.

95 WriterMom  10/05/08 10:00:23 am reply quote

re: #46 NoSubmission

You cannot engage in a serious discussion with people like that. It's the political equivalent of 'so when did you stop beating your wife'.

Loose loose for you, win win for them.

96 Who Watches the Watchmen?  10/05/08 10:00:24 am reply quote

re: #84 rightymouse

Their hollering racism to stifle scrutiny is such an obvious canard, eh?

I posted this below. "Racism" and "McCarthyism" are a standard response that has devalued these words to the same playground-insult level as "poopyhead" and "cooties."

97 Occasional Reader  10/05/08 10:00:25 am reply quote

Must get food and do unpleasant but necessary things. Later.

98 spidly  10/05/08 10:01:11 am reply quote

AgitProp

99 NoSubmission  10/05/08 10:01:41 am reply quote

re: #95 WriterMom

You cannot engage in a serious discussion with people like that. It's the political equivalent of 'so when did you stop beating your wife'.

Loose loose for you, win win for them.


When I brought up the king of all racists, REV WRIGHT, they literally shrug their shoulders and go blank. They have NO answer. NOne. Zero. Zip. Nada.

100 WriterMom  10/05/08 10:01:52 am reply quote

re: #81 NoSubmission

I wanna hang at your mom's house.

/moonbat infested extended family here

101 shanec99  10/05/08 10:01:55 am reply quote

re: #81 NoSubmission

Then why the hell are you trying to convince Liberals. Liberals are people who will ignore the obvious in order to achieve an end, even if that end destroys all the intuitions that allowed them to achieve their goal.

102 Rose Parade  10/05/08 10:02:00 am reply quote

I can only hope that the MSM will absolutely crash and burn beginning on November 4 with a McCain/Palin victory. They've made the decision to get in bed with Obama and I hope it totally and completely comes back to bite them in the ass and lands them in the trash heap. This kind of "reporting" is not only biased, it's irresponsible and unprofessional.

103 the_flying_pig  10/05/08 10:02:00 am reply quote

The old media have thrown free speech and objective journalism under the bus! Now all of them are crooks, liars and propagandists for Der Obamahrer.

104 DistantThunder  10/05/08 10:02:15 am reply quote

re: #81 NoSubmission

I was at a party in Westchester last night with my boyfriend's family and they are all voting Obama. You can't reason with them. I almost had one uncle swayed but he's willfully ignoring hard evidence in the case against BHO.

If it were MY mother's house, it would be a very different conversation because there are NO liberals in my family. Period.

Dump the guy - you could marry him, divorce him, and your kids would spend half their time with those people.

105 Irene NYC  10/05/08 10:02:18 am reply quote

re: #83 MandyManners

It's not that I doubt you, Irene. I just have this thing for links about that bastard. I'm up to close to 70 on him.


No problem, Mandy. I don't have time to start digging right now for links, but I know the exist, I've just never had to look for them. I'll see what I can find later cuz I have to run soon.

106 zombie  10/05/08 10:02:27 am reply quote

I predicted when Obama first got the nomination that:

a. The campaign and the MSM would accuse anyone who didn't support Obama of being racist.
b. That the American public has already had the "race card" played on it SO MANY times in the past that as a nation we have wised up: nobody falls for it any more.
c. As a result, playing the race card now will only backfire, and make the average American angry that they are being unfairly smeared.
d. The end result of these false accusations of racism will be to INCREASE support for McCain.

107 WriterMom  10/05/08 10:02:30 am reply quote

re: #99 NoSubmission

Yes, I'm familiar with that.

It's the LA LA LA LALALALLLALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW school of debating.

108 lostlakehiker  10/05/08 10:02:36 am reply quote