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Associated Press Hits Bottom, Digs

Politics | Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 9:41:14 am PDT

The Associated Press article on Sarah Palin’s comments about William Ayers is a Category 7 jaw-dropper. Apparently, now even criticizing Obama’s associations with white violent radicals is racist: Analysis: Palin’s words carry racial tinge.

Palin’s words avoid repulsing voters with overt racism. But is there another subtext for creating the false image of a black presidential nominee “palling around” with terrorists while assuring a predominantly white audience that he doesn’t see their America?

Her reference to Obama’s relationship with William Ayers, a member of the Vietnam-era Weather Underground, was exaggerated at best if not outright false. No evidence shows they were “pals” or even close when they worked on community boards years ago and Ayers hosted a political event for Obama early in his career.

Obama, who was a child when the Weathermen were planting bombs, has denounced Ayers’ radical views and actions. ...

In a post-Sept. 11 America, terrorists are envisioned as dark-skinned radical Muslims, not the homegrown anarchists of Ayers’ day 40 years ago. With Obama a relative unknown when he began his campaign, the Internet hummed with false e-mails about ties to radical Islam of a foreign-born candidate.

Whether intended or not by the McCain campaign, portraying Obama as “not like us” is another potential appeal to racism. It suggests that the Hawaiian-born Christian is, at heart, un-American.

This really is the election in which the mainstream media have thrown all their claims to impartiality right into the sewer. It’s sickening to see.

(Hat tip: Jorline.)

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1 zombie  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:44:24am

No matter WHAT you say about Obama -- you're a RACIST!

2 nigella  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:44:51am

Just can't believe what I am seeing and reading from the MSM! Has the whole country gone nuts?

3 zombie  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:44:59am

"I'm not so sure about this Obama guy--

"RACIST!"

4 joncelli  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:44:59am

From now on, just opposing Obambi is going to be racist for the AP. 30 days left and it's gonna get even uglier than it already is.

5 BigPapa  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:45:09am

They'll hit China soon... Wow, that was double entendracist.

6 Macker  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:45:14am

What else should we be expect from the Associated (with Terrorists) Press?

7 elevenbravo1969  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:45:25am

Only correct opinions will be allowed.

8 Occasional Reader  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:45:38am
(Hat tip: Occasional Reader.)

Dang.

Much as I loves me some hat tips, in the previous thread I was reacting to another lizard who posted the link... have to go see who it was.

9 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:45:38am

It is not the First Amendment that I knew.

10 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:45:48am

Ayers is not black nor is he Arabic.

11 arethusa  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:45:49am

Oh, for goodness's sake.

I hope someday we can change the post title to "...digs own grave as a responsible news organization."

12 Max Darkside  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:45:52am

Even though he's maternally white.

13 DistantThunder  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:46:04am

Ayers is proof that terrorists come in every color of the rainbow.

The white terrorists who were going to blow up the Non-Commissioned officers dance at Fort Dix with a nail bomb to kill soldiers and their wives and girlfriends.

They were white friends of Bill Ayers.

I'm happy to talk about White terrorists. Let's not hide behind race - let's talk about all the white terrorists.

Does the shade of skin rally matter?

14 BigPapa  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:46:23am

After the election, criticizing his His Changeness will be un-American.

This is Change Orwell Wrote About.

15 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:46:36am

re: #8 Occasional Reader

Dang.

Much as I loves me some hat tips, in the previous thread I was reacting to another lizard who posted the link... have to go see who it was.

Jorline?

16 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:46:38am

ahh, don't blame them.. there's no defense for Obama's palling around with terrorists. What do you expect them to do.. but charge racism?

/

17 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:46:39am
In a post-Sept. 11 America, terrorists are envisioned as dark-skinned radical Muslims

And journalists are envisioned as empty-headed left wing propagandists.

18 Opinionated  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:46:41am

Soviet leaders, Arab leaders, other tyrants, were used to getting 99% of the vote in their "elections".

Much of that was fraud and fear but there was also the fact that the State's media organs where all for that one candidate.

In this election we too will have fear, fraud, and the press and media promoting one candidate.

At least Obama will not get 99% proving there are still some courageous and intelligent Americans.

19 Wishing  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:47:01am

Here is a young black rrepublican who is trying to *unchackle the brains* of Democrats

Linky

20 zombie  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:47:08am
Whether intended or not by the McCain campaign, portraying Obama as “not like us” is another potential appeal to racism. It suggests that the Hawaiian-born Christian is, at heart, un-American.

Who in the hell wrote this? It doesn't even make any sense. They're stretching the bubblegum of their logic so thin, it's going to pop in their faces!

21 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:47:10am

So if/when he is POTUS, will criticism of his policies and decision making be subject to the same mind numbing counter charge of racism?

Is that supposed to last for 4 years?

22 Occasional Reader  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:47:10am

Hat tip honors properly go to... jorline.

23 Wishing  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:47:38am

re: #19 Wishing

Unshackle...PIMF

24 lawhawk  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:47:41am

Post 9/11 American envisions terrorists as being dark skinned radical Muslims?

Well, they're half right - many terrorists are radical Muslims. Some may even be dark skinned - but it's not the color of their skin that bothers me - it's the content of their black hearts - that think nothing of engaging in mass murder and carnage on levels heretofore never seen before in the annals of history.

Or is it racist for me to use the term black heart to describe terrorists in such fashion.

The media does nothing but shill for Obama with every passing day, and there are no constraints on objectivity. None. And if the McCain campaign doesn't start fighting with both barrels they will lose against this relentless onslaught because the media will do them no favors at all. Palin's fight is a start, but the GOP better have much more than just Gov. Palin taking the fight to the Democrats and the media.

25 akak  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:47:42am

re: #17 Kreuzueber Halbmond

And journalists are envisioned as empty-headed left wing propagandists.


racist

26 MJ  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:47:53am
"This really is the election in which the mainstream media have thrown all their claims to impartiality right into the sewer. It’s sickening to see."

I'd much rather have a press that come right out and says we are not
"impartial" than a press that claims to be telling all sides of the story.
In the same way that nearly everyone who read Pravda knew it was the house organ of the Communist Party, so I'd rather have folks read the NYT or read dispatches from the AP and know they are reading the house organ of the Democratic Party.

It's not what you read, it where you read it.

27 BLBfootballs  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:47:56am

How do journalists who write stuff like this keep a job or tie their shoes? The "logic" is grotesque!

A "potential appeal to racism"?! Outlandish!

28 DistantThunder  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:48:01am

No white terrorists in the Lincoln Bedroom or the White House.

Remeber Bill Clinton's gang: "Stroke of the pen, law of the land, pretty cool?"

What would Obama and Bill Ayers do with our military?

29 Occasional Reader  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:48:05am
Analysis: Palin’s words carry racial tinge.

AP: Putting the "anal" in "analysis".

30 nigella  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:48:10am

Saw that meet the depressed this morning is saying you can't link someone to someone they knew.....Of course you can if you link Bush/McCain. That's different. And by the way would someone shut Peggy Noonan's stupid mouth? She's jumped the shark for sure regarding Sarah Palin.

31 arethusa  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:48:29am

I think Palin should mock the AP story, like she did the NYT story on Ayers yesterday.

"Well, this morning, I was reading the news, and the AP called me a racist for saying...what do YOU think?"

32 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:48:34am

re: #4 joncelli

From now on, just opposing Obambi is going to be racist for the AP. 30 days left and it's gonna get even uglier than it already is.

I think these racism charges will backfire big-time on them. Most folks aren't racists, and it pisses us off when accused.

33 Shug  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:48:44am

Obama is unlike us.

Us love america

34 markx  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:48:54am

Yellow journalism.

..oops, racist.

35 DistantThunder  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:49:36am

White terrorists for Obama!

36 Arkay  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:49:39am

Everyone in the press are squealing like piglets for their chance to perform political fellatio on the corpse of Marx these days. Most unsightly.

37 Irene NYC  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:50:24am

re: #31 arethusa

I think Palin should mock the AP story, like she did the NYT story on Ayers yesterday.

"Well, this morning, I was reading the news, and the AP called me a racist for saying...what do YOU think?"


She should have a daily riff on the MSM every single day.

Now THAT would be fun to watch!

38 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:50:25am

Meanwhile in the Magic Kingdom, women are told to wear one-eyed veils to end a pandemic of seduction that has occured on account of exposing two eyes.

I don't know what culture is more stifling: Saudi or Obamaton.

39 pat  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:50:35am

Ayers is antiAmerican. He makes no bones about it.

40 jaunte  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:50:41am

Left Stream Media

41 DistantThunder  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:50:57am

We're going to have to start wearing armbands that say Unfairly Branded Racist

42 Occasional Reader  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:51:11am
Palin’s words avoid repulsing voters with overt racism.

Oh, thank goodness she's at least not using the OVERT racism... (but you know she wants to, right? According to our AP "analysis", it's irrefutably true)

/spit

43 zombie  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:51:25am
Her reference to Obama’s relationship with William Ayers, a member of the Vietnam-era Weather Underground, was exaggerated at best if not outright false. No evidence shows they were “pals” or even close when they worked on community boards years ago and Ayers hosted a political event for Obama early in his career.

Yeah -- because I always host political fundraisers in my private home for people I hardly know. An everyday occurrence!

"Hmmm, I know absolutely nothing about State Senator Hubert Finkelberry. I've never met him, I've barely even heard of his name. Scanning his list of political opinions, I see that I absolutely disagree with most of them. There's only one possible course of action: I'm hosting a Finkelberry fundraiser in my home tomorrow night! PARTY AT ZOMBIE'S!"

44 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:51:28am

AP - mostly tinged with stupidity.

45 BigPapa  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:51:34am

"There is no Islamic Terrorism. There has never been Islamic Terrorism. Oceana has always been at war with Greedy Capitalists."

46 NoSubmission  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:51:58am

Someone asked me recently if my stance on Obama was due to the fact that 'maybe I was a racist.' Well, I just about blew my stack. First off, this person knows nothing about me. I told her and the entire room that it had absolutely nothing to do with racism and that I resented that comment. I am white and grew up in Harlem and therefore consider myself black in some ways. I just don't like Obama. What is so hard to understand about that?

When Obama loses in November [God willing] the cries of racism will be heard into the next galaxy. But none of those people will even mention REV. [g-dDamn America] WRIGHT!

47 experiencedtraveller  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:52:04am
This really is the election in which the mainstream media have thrown all their claims to impartiality right into the sewer. It’s sickening to see.

Then so be it. Lets get back to the way the press operated during and after our Revolution. Each side publishes its own news. Let the citizen read each side and make his decision.

The "neutral" press was a construction of the MSM of the 1930's and 1940's to protect its (incredibly lucrative) television broadcasting oligarchy. They were never truly neutral but wise enough to hide their intentions. Now, with the Internet their business model is threatened and they have no business reason to mask their ideology.

48 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:52:17am

Barack Obama the post-racial candidate has become the most-racial candidate.

With the direct assistance of the MSM he has set back race relations in this country by probably 30-40 years.

If we cannot oppose him because of his association with known terrorists without being labeled a "racist" by the MSM, then we must somehow unseat these race-baiters from their lofty positions of judgement.

It also points to something that may prove troubling for Obama on Nov 4 - the more the "racist" label is thrown around, the more people are going to lie to the pollsters but pull a different lever in the voting booth.

49 activatedsludge  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:52:28am

The media are the enemy.

50 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:52:31am

How embedded is Soros in the MSM?

Does his hedge fund have any investment in AP, however tenuous?

51 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:52:31am

Charles -

You need to add another icon on the comment headers.

A simple 'R!' will do so that we can label any bitter, clingy comments about Obama et al as Racist!

52 Max Darkside  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:52:44am

I sense a "fake but accurate" tinge in the AP's ANALysis.

53 MarkX  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:52:53am

re: #41 DistantThunder

We're going to have to start wearing armbands that say Unfairly Branded Racist

No, soon there were will be "RACIST" patches sewn to your coat after Obambi is elected.

54 DistantThunder  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:52:58am

Shame on us Republicans for letting this fascist socialist menace fester for so long without CONSTANT challenge. We are in full-blown war!

55 NoSubmission  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:53:05am

Just like OJ, Obama will set race relations back 50 years.

Change.

56 Occasional Reader  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:53:09am

re: #43 zombie

A vote for Finkelberry is a vote for CHANGE.

57 rightymouse  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:53:54am
Most troubling, however, is how allowing racism to creep into the discussion serves McCain's purpose so well. As the fallout from Wright's sermons showed earlier this year, forcing Obama to abandon issues to talk about race leads to unresolved arguments about America's promise to treat all people equally.

Dude...the ones bringing up issues of ethnicity are you and your running buddies. If Obama cannot be criticized or scrutinized like any other candidate, who exactly is the racist? And who exactly refuses to treat ALL people equally?

58 Irene NYC  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:53:56am

re: #50 MandyManners

How embedded is Soros in the MSM?

Does his hedge fund have any investment in AP, however tenuous?


Oh Mandy, the guy has funded so many journalists for so long, I don't even know where to begin. We're not talking tenuous here, we're talking DIRECT.

59 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:53:58am

re: #38 karmic_inquisitor

Meanwhile in the Magic Kingdom, women are told to wear one-eyed veils to end a pandemic of seduction that has occured on account of exposing two eyes.

I don't know what culture is more stifling: Saudi or Obamaton.

That way they can restrict their driving based on a lack of depth perception.

/It's evil genius I tell you.

60 DistantThunder  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:53:59am

re: #53 MarkX

No, soon there were will be "RACIST" patches sewn to your coat after Obambi is elected.

I was trying to be pre-emptive

61 pat  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:54:02am

In fact the MSM has been dying to label her a racist since the day she was chosen. Remember The Sambo story that turned out to be totally fabricated?

62 shanec99  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:54:05am

re: #31 arethusa

I think Palin should mock the AP story, like she did the NYT story on Ayers yesterday.

"Well, this morning, I was reading the news, and the AP called me a racist for saying...what do YOU think?"


You know for a while there it seemed that most of America was willing to give Obama a chance to stand and be heard. The only problem is, his friends in the media don't want anyone else heard, especially the people who tell the truth about him especially his friendship with racists and terrorists.

Please never ask him about his pastor... or CNN will call you racist.

Absolutely never question his friendship with Ayers whose organization only failed in its attempt to do to the Pentagon what Osama bin Laden's organization achieved on 9/11.

63 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:54:21am

re: #16 unrealizedviewpoint

ahh, don't blame them.. there's no defense for Obama's palling around with terrorists. What do you expect them to do.. but charge racism?

/

What else can they do?

64 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:54:22am

re: #43 zombie

Notice that the Annenberg Challenge grants are not mentioned.

Ayers - the guy who got the grant.

Obama - the guy who was appointed to spend the grant.

No relationship that I can detect.

/

65 Occasional Reader  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:55:07am

re: #46 NoSubmission

Someone asked me recently if my stance on Obama was due to the fact that 'maybe I was a racist.'

The fact that you're not blogging right now from lockup shows that you have greater self-restraint than I do.

66 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:55:14am

re: #58 Irene NYC

Oh Mandy, the guy has funded so many journalists for so long, I don't even know where to begin. We're not talking tenuous here, we're talking DIRECT.

He has money invested in AP itself?

67 DistantThunder  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:55:19am

We've understimated the battle for the truth. We let them get too strong over the decades. We've abandoned our youth to them. They are stealing our children.

68 BigPapa  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:55:24am

"He was just a guy I served on two boards with, and I was 8 when he made bombs and blew up some shit. I reject those radical views he had when blowing up shit, but I share his current.... I don't really know this guy, it's not like we're buddies or anything. He held a fundraiser at his house one night, it's not like I know everybody who throws a fundraiser for me. To imply as such is racist."

69 BLBfootballs  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:56:06am

So if Obama was linked to terrorists with brown skin, would it then be non-racist to explore those links? Or it racist to discuss Obama's links to terrorists irrespective of their skin color?

What about if McCain was linked to terrorists? Would it be racist to discuss his links to dark-skinned terrorists? How about white-skinned terrorists? How about terrorists whose skin pulses with alternating bands of color?

I guess it doesn't matter -- every discussion of this issue is by definition yet another "potential appeal to racism"...

Even if you can't win a war of facts, you can always manipulate the language to repossess the battlefield.

70 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:56:08am

re: #57 rightymouse

Dude...the ones bringing up issues of ethnicity are you and your running buddies. If Obama cannot be criticized or scrutinized like any other candidate, who exactly is the racist? And who exactly refuses to treat ALL people equally?

AMERIKKKA does. What more explanation do you need?

71 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:56:48am

re: #53 MarkX

No, soon there were will be "RACIST" patches sewn to your coat after Obambi is elected.

Just a big "R'
It'll stand for either "racists" or "racists republican"

72 Irene NYC  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:57:04am

re: #66 MandyManners

He has money invested in AP itself?


For example, the groups that he has funded give "sabbatical grants" for, say, 3 months, to journalists to study "topics of interest."

73 x-ray  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:57:06am

Maybe it's just a failure to communicate.

The AP and MSM use allot of words I used to think I knew the meaning of i.e.

Fiscally responsible
Truth
Accountability
Transparency
Bailout
Intelligent
Dirty politics

Seems that when they use these words they mean something different than what I think they mean.

74 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:57:22am

Time to ask our friends -

How old were you when Charles Manson led the Tate/LaBianca murders?

Would you associate with him now as if they didn't happen?

75 snowcrash  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:57:35am

I really don't care how the AP spins this. Doubt must be planted in the undecided voters mind that Obama will not put the country's best interest first and is not qualified to be President.

76 Max Darkside  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:57:39am

A black male suggested my white wife was racist for not voting for Obama. My wife fired back the reverse, that if that he did not vote for McCain *he* was racist. Sparks ensued but he eventually conceded my wife was right about the bias of his original statement and how ridiculous he sounded.

77 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:57:45am

re: #72 Irene NYC

For example, the groups that he has funded give "sabbatical grants" for, say, 3 months, to journalists to study "topics of interest."

Wow! Really?! Links?

78 BigPapa  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:57:53am

re: #74 karmic_inquisitor

Time to ask our friends -

How old were you when Charles Manson led the Tate/LaBianca murders?

Would you associate with him now as if they didn't happen?

Oh.... that'll leave a mark.

79 arethusa  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:57:54am

I'm still puzzled by charges of racism against Republicans re: Obama. Most Republicans are voting for McCain anyway (85-90% or so in most of the polls I've seen). So if any voters are voting against Obama because of his race, wouldn't they be...Democrats?

80 MarkX  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:58:05am

OT:

Biden high on Botox?

ROFMAO

Why are all these Dims (Hillary, Pelosi, Biden) so high on it?

/Don't answer that...

81 NoSubmission  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:58:08am

re: #65 Occasional Reader

The fact that you're not blogging right now from lockup shows that you have greater self-restraint than I do.


I was at a party in Westchester last night with my boyfriend's family and they are all voting Obama. You can't reason with them. I almost had one uncle swayed but he's willfully ignoring hard evidence in the case against BHO.

If it were MY mother's house, it would be a very different conversation because there are NO liberals in my family. Period.

82 Alamo18  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:58:12am

I couldn't agree more . The media cheer leading for Obama is now so shameless and blatant that its become a joke. Any remaining fig leaf of neutrality has been given up long ago.What we have left is a media version of the Daily Kos. Pass the sick bag please.

83 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:58:25am

re: #72 Irene NYC

For example, the groups that he has funded give "sabbatical grants" for, say, 3 months, to journalists to study "topics of interest."

It's not that I doubt you, Irene. I just have this thing for links about that bastard. I'm up to close to 70 on him.

84 rightymouse  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:58:35am

re: #70 Who Watches the Watchmen?

AMERIKKKA does. What more explanation do you need?

Their hollering racism to stifle scrutiny is such an obvious canard, eh?

85 Spider Mensch  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:58:58am

the msm is into far with obama to let go now. there is alot more on the line to all the media right now to admit there is something wrong with obama. when he loses, they go down with him. they're losing credibility now and before obama, what happens to them (msm) when their golden boy loses? answer is they tank! worse than they are tanking now. they know it, they will pull out every back sided trick they can, from the nightly news to snl and letterman, to oprah and the hags on the view. including the movie making industry. all in the tank for obama.if he loses they look worse to America than they even do now. All the more reason to vote McCain/Palin, kill two ass turds at the same time with one vote, sink obama and the msm, it don't get no sweeter. of course I know I preach to the choir.

86 MarkX  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:59:00am

re: #71 unrealizedviewpoint

Just a big "R'
It'll stand for either "racists" or "racists republican"

Yeah, the scarlet letter for the 21st century.

87 looking closely  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:59:11am

So its racist for Black men to associate with White terrorists?

/who knew.

88 MarkX  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:59:44am

Brunch time...

later, Lizards...

be good.

89 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:59:47am

I'm already assuming that my moonbat sister-in-law thinks I am a racist. You know what is sad; I go to work everyday and work to ensure she has the right to say and believe that.

I don't have a racist bone in my body. Obama is incompetent and not fit to lead the free world. If my opposition to him makes me a racist, someone needs to open up a dictionary and start reading.

90 gymnast  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 9:59:51am

OT, Re: Citigroup, Wachovia take over attempt. Google "Saudi-American Bank" and "SAMBA". See relationship between (google) "Kingdom Group" and Citigroup. Old news to old LGF hands but new news today in light of Citigroup's injunction regarding takeover of Wachovia. Charles, are you taking note of these developments? Are the taxpayers of America paying for a bailout or more of a Saudi takeover?

91 lawhawk  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:00:01am

The only one making racist accusations has been Obama. Anyone pointing out anything even the slightest bit unflattering about Obama, let alone serious accusations of inexperience, lack of achievements, substantive positions that are directly harmful to US national security and foreign policy, undermine US security interests around the world, or expose Obama's tax and spend policies, is deemed a racist.

I hate being called a racist. Makes my blood boil.

Especially since I don't judge Obama by the color of his skin but by the content of his character and on that, I find him sorely lacking. I judge him on his policies, and they are the opposite of what the nation needs. Taxing and spending will only increase the government's intrusion into every aspect of life and the economy, and the government does not have the solutions to all of life's problems.

92 Irene NYC  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:00:08am

re: #77 MandyManners

Wow! Really?! Links?


I know people who got the grants. One was to study minority females and their incarceration rates and the effect on their children, if I remember correctly.

93 DistantThunder  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:00:18am

In the deprogramming literature I've read, when the victim is resistant to most news and facts, they said it is helpful in exit-counseling (the non-coercive version of deprogramming) to show them example of other people in other places who share their concerns, or examples of brainwashing in other cultures and governments.

I'm going to start sending examples of socialist systems in other countries and the problems those socialist systems have to my poor brother.

OMG

94 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:00:19am

So I guess I can support Hitler now, it would be fine. He committed his atrocities decades before I was born.

95 WriterMom  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:00:23am

re: #46 NoSubmission

You cannot engage in a serious discussion with people like that. It's the political equivalent of 'so when did you stop beating your wife'.

Loose loose for you, win win for them.

96 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:00:24am

re: #84 rightymouse

Their hollering racism to stifle scrutiny is such an obvious canard, eh?

I posted this below. "Racism" and "McCarthyism" are a standard response that has devalued these words to the same playground-insult level as "poopyhead" and "cooties."

97 Occasional Reader  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:00:25am

Must get food and do unpleasant but necessary things. Later.

98 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:01:11am

AgitProp

99 NoSubmission  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:01:41am

re: #95 WriterMom

You cannot engage in a serious discussion with people like that. It's the political equivalent of 'so when did you stop beating your wife'.

Loose loose for you, win win for them.


When I brought up the king of all racists, REV WRIGHT, they literally shrug their shoulders and go blank. They have NO answer. NOne. Zero. Zip. Nada.

100 WriterMom  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:01:52am

re: #81 NoSubmission

I wanna hang at your mom's house.

/moonbat infested extended family here

101 shanec99  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:01:55am

re: #81 NoSubmission

Then why the hell are you trying to convince Liberals. Liberals are people who will ignore the obvious in order to achieve an end, even if that end destroys all the intuitions that allowed them to achieve their goal.

102 Rose Parade  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:02:00am

I can only hope that the MSM will absolutely crash and burn beginning on November 4 with a McCain/Palin victory. They've made the decision to get in bed with Obama and I hope it totally and completely comes back to bite them in the ass and lands them in the trash heap. This kind of "reporting" is not only biased, it's irresponsible and unprofessional.

103 the_flying_pig  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:02:00am

The old media have thrown free speech and objective journalism under the bus! Now all of them are crooks, liars and propagandists for Der Obamahrer.

104 DistantThunder  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:02:15am

re: #81 NoSubmission

I was at a party in Westchester last night with my boyfriend's family and they are all voting Obama. You can't reason with them. I almost had one uncle swayed but he's willfully ignoring hard evidence in the case against BHO.

If it were MY mother's house, it would be a very different conversation because there are NO liberals in my family. Period.

Dump the guy - you could marry him, divorce him, and your kids would spend half their time with those people.

105 Irene NYC  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:02:18am

re: #83 MandyManners

It's not that I doubt you, Irene. I just have this thing for links about that bastard. I'm up to close to 70 on him.


No problem, Mandy. I don't have time to start digging right now for links, but I know the exist, I've just never had to look for them. I'll see what I can find later cuz I have to run soon.

106 zombie  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:02:27am

I predicted when Obama first got the nomination that:

a. The campaign and the MSM would accuse anyone who didn't support Obama of being racist.
b. That the American public has already had the "race card" played on it SO MANY times in the past that as a nation we have wised up: nobody falls for it any more.
c. As a result, playing the race card now will only backfire, and make the average American angry that they are being unfairly smeared.
d. The end result of these false accusations of racism will be to INCREASE support for McCain.

107 WriterMom  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:02:30am

re: #99 NoSubmission

Yes, I'm familiar with that.

It's the LA LA LA LALALALLLALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW school of debating.

108 lostlakehiker  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:02:36am

Dare I suggest that Ayers is at heart un-American? Clues: First he plants bombs and tries to kill Americans. When he figures out that America is big enough that no amount of random killing at the individual level can make any difference, he tries to undermine the school system and turn it into a factory for little radicals. And just so everyone will know that he hates America, he has himself photographed stepping on the flag.

Now, is it racist to draw conclusions about Ayers from all this? And if not, how is it racist to draw conclusions about Obama from his long and consequential association with Ayers, working with Ayers on the same board of the same organization, toward, just maybe, the same goals?

Just imagine if McCain had a long history of association with Tim McVeigh, who in this hypothetical, somehow escaped justice. And imagine Biden criticized McCain for that association. Would the media run articles accusing him of racism, because---because of nothing, really, except to have some hook to hang a smear on, and to have some way to divert attention from the damning facts.

109 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:02:56am

re: #92 Irene NYC

I know people who got the grants. One was to study minority females and their incarceration rates and the effect on their children, if I remember correctly.

They're unable to bite the hand that feeds them because they cannot see him for what he is.

110 gman  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:02:58am

re: #31 arethusa

I think Palin should mock the AP story, like she did the NYT story on Ayers yesterday.

"Well, this morning, I was reading the news, and the AP called me a racist for saying...what do YOU think?"

I agree.

The AP has just fed Palin a perfect talking point that she can hammer away at all the way to the election.

"You can't criticize Obama for hanging out with racists like Rev. Wright and terrorists without being called a racist"

111 NoSubmission  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:03:07am

re: #100 WriterMom

I wanna hang at your mom's house.

/moonbat infested extended family here


My mother is/was/ and always will be one of the greatest patriots I know. God, how I love her. She's been screaming about liberals since I can remember.

112 DeafDog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:03:11am

re: #97 Occasional Reader

Must get food and do unpleasant but necessary things. Later.

You're going to steal Obambi yard signs?

113 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:03:22am

re: #99 NoSubmission

When I brought up the king of all racists, REV WRIGHT, they literally shrug their shoulders and go blank. They have NO answer. NOne. Zero. Zip. Nada.

Did you ask any what they thought of his "gd America" crap?

114 WriterMom  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:03:28am

re: #91 lawhawk

Racist!

/it had to be said

115 Sol Roth  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:03:33am
It’s sickening to see.

I barfed so much during Reagan '84: "Raygun" "Millions to Kill, Pennies to Heal" "It's For The Children" that I got the dry heaves during Clinton.

Notice how the memes are dumbed down? "Change" "Hope".

116 looking closely  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:03:33am
Whether intended or not by the McCain campaign, portraying Obama as “not like us” is another potential appeal to racism. It suggests that the Hawaiian-born Christian is, at heart, un-American.


Oh, its intended all right.

Its also true.

Again, Obama has significant personal/professional connections with America-hating Reverend Wright, and terrorist American flag stomping William Ayers.

Why SHOULDN'T there be considerable concerns about Obama here?

By the way, hating America isn't limited to any particular race. In this case, its the AP that's being racist by implying this.

117 NoSubmission  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:03:37am

re: #101 shanec99

Then why the hell are you trying to convince Liberals. Liberals are people who will ignore the obvious in order to achieve an end, even if that end destroys all the intuitions that allowed them to achieve their goal.


I had to give a shot. There was no way I was going to lie down and take their crap.

118 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:03:48am

I sampled a few dozen of the more than 250 comments made on Breitbart about this. Every single one was blasting the author. Most of those were calling him the racist.

I suppose I might find some in favor of his F**ked up perspective if I wanted to read them all, but by then this thread would be over a thousand comments or there would be a new thread in progress.

119 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:03:52am

re: #105 Irene NYC

No problem, Mandy. I don't have time to start digging right now for links, but I know the exist, I've just never had to look for them. I'll see what I can find later cuz I have to run soon.

I'll look, too.

120 El Lizardo mejicano  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:04:32am

More members from the "weather underground" are working hard to get the messiah elected, not just Ayers..

This is the closest they ever going to get to achieving the ultimate goal.

Howard Machtinger, Jeff Jones, Steve Tappis and Mark Rudd: [Link: progressivesforobama.blogspot.com...]
[Link: www.discoverthenetworks.org...]

121 BigPapa  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:04:39am

If holding Obama accountable for his actions and associations is racist, then investigations into state trooper firings, tanning beds in the Gov's Mansion, and implications regarding Down's Syndrome are horribly sexist.

It's so easy to play Logicallus Pretzellious.

122 doppelganglander  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:04:53am

I've said it before: flinging around charges of racism like a monkey flings poo does nothing but create more racism. And I'm probably a racist for using a monkey analogy.

123 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:05:06am

..and when it's all done.. and Obama loses..
all they'll say is: "America's not ready to elect a black president."

*SPIT*

124 arethusa  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:05:10am

re: #115 Sol Roth


Notice how the memes are dumbed down? "Change" "Hope".

/Well, they're one syllable. That really helps some Obama supporters.

125 WriterMom  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:05:11am

re: #113 MandyManners

"But he disavowed all that, and anyway-Obama doesn't really believe all that-he left that church..."

126 DistantThunder  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:05:21am

I've signed up to be a volunteer with the McCain campaign in PA starting Thursday through the election.

127 rightymouse  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:05:27am

re: #96 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I posted this below. "Racism" and "McCarthyism" are a standard response that has devalued these words to the same playground-insult level as "poopyhead" and "cooties."

Good one. My boss, who is a Democrat and refuses to believe that communists are rampant in the party, called me "McCarthy" at one point. So I responded that McCarthy was correct even though we could probably agree on his tactics to expose them at the time. Then I asked him if he could possibly discuss the issue without throwing out a tiresome and debunked analogy. He could not. They is stuck on stupid, honey.

128 Irene NYC  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:05:27am

re: #109 MandyManners

They're unable to bite the hand that feeds them because they cannot see him for what he is.


That person's grant was for 12 months - and the rate was higher than their salary as a journalist. Talk about buying someone's soul!

129 NoSubmission  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:05:30am

re: #104 DistantThunder

Dump the guy - you could marry him, divorce him, and your kids would spend half their time with those people.

He's a doll and a life long Republican. WE are perfect together. He stood back and watched as I 'pitbulled' them. LOL

130 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:05:32am

re: #58 Irene NYC

Oh Mandy, the guy has funded so many journalists for so long, I don't even know where to begin. We're not talking tenuous here, we're talking DIRECT.

Has anyone ever done a book or an article or anything on George Soros and his manipulation of currency, politics and his advancement of Marxism?

I ask because I am thinking of doing such a book.

131 Thanos  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:05:37am

re: #64 karmic_inquisitor

Notice that the Annenberg Challenge grants are not mentioned.

Ayers - the guy who got the grant.

Obama - the guy who was appointed to spend the grant.

No relationship that I can detect.

/

Or the Michelle Obama education panel that included them both as speakers, or Barack's glowing review of Ayer's book.

132 Ron Shaw  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:05:40am

re: #91 lawhawk

The only one making racist accusations has been Obama. Anyone pointing out anything even the slightest bit unflattering about Obama, let alone serious accusations of inexperience, lack of achievements, substantive positions that are directly harmful to US national security and foreign policy, undermine US security interests around the world, or expose Obama's tax and spend policies, is deemed a racist.

I hate being called a racist. Makes my blood boil.

Especially since I don't judge Obama by the color of his skin but by the content of his character and on that, I find him sorely lacking. I judge him on his policies, and they are the opposite of what the nation needs. Taxing and spending will only increase the government's intrusion into every aspect of life and the economy, and the government does not have the solutions to all of life's problems.

Very well stated! Exactly!

133 DeafDog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:06:08am

re: #102 Rose Parade

I can only hope that the MSM will absolutely crash and burn beginning on November 4 with a McCain/Palin victory. They've made the decision to get in bed with Obama and I hope it totally and completely comes back to bite them in the ass and lands them in the trash heap. This kind of "reporting" is not only biased, it's irresponsible and unprofessional.

If a McCain victory happens, we'd better hope that it's not close. A 2000 or 2004 redux will be very ugly.

134 NoSubmission  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:06:09am

re: #113 MandyManners

Did you ask any what they thought of his "gd America" crap?


THEY.DON'T.CARE. They are lemmings.

135 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:06:13am

Hate to go OT (sorta) but from the last thread:
WHOA! That may just be the same guy [Charles White the same name as the partner at Sidley,Austin who mentored WAB] who "retired" from that law firm. From your link:

Following the Governor’s direction to aggressively enforce consumer protections, the Illinois Department of Financial and Professional Regulation (IDFPR) this week issued an emergency suspension of the loan originator registration of Charles T. White, Jr., and revoked the license of Mutual Trust Funding Corporation. IDFPR shut down seven title insurance agencies being charged with complicity in the “mortgage rescue” operation.

IDFPR alleged that in his capacity as a loan originator at Mutual Trust, Charles White approached homeowners facing imminent foreclosure and offered to find an investor who would borrow the money from Mutual Trust to purchase the property prior to foreclosure. Homeowners were told the new investor would then lease the home back to them while they attempted to regain their financial footing, and were promised that the new investor would repay the delinquent mortgage account and eventually resell the property back to them.

Instead of keeping the promise to repay delinquent mortgages and allow the original homeowners to re-purchase their properties, IDFPR found that up to $1.5 million of the loans arranged by Charles White through Mutual Trust, which should have been paid to the original lenders and previous owners, were diverted to a real estate management company called “Eyes Have Not Seen,” owned by Mr. White.

Further, documents detailing disbursements to previous lenders and current owners, which should have been notarized and filed with appropriate state, federal and financial offices had been tampered with to show that the new owner was in fact Mr. White, through his company “Eyes Have Not Seen.”


If it's the same guy - and that's a big IF - he wouldn't be the first lawyer I've known who went into the mortgage broker business; make more money in a shorter period of time with much less work. Wonder what year Mr. White retired from that Sidley, Austin law firm?

136 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:06:21am
No evidence shows they were "pals" or even close when they worked on community boards years ago and Ayers hosted a political event for Obama early in his career.

No evidence shows that whoever wrote this article realized how self-contradictory this sentence is.

137 arethusa  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:07:15am

re: #126 DistantThunder

I've signed up to be a volunteer with the McCain campaign in PA starting Thursday through the election.

Don't forget, Lizards, there are also openings for volunteer election judges in most states. I'm doing that too, myself.

138 DistantThunder  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:07:32am

re: #106 zombie

I predicted when Obama first got the nomination that:

a. The campaign and the MSM would accuse anyone who didn't support Obama of being racist.
b. That the American public has already had the "race card" played on it SO MANY times in the past that as a nation we have wised up: nobody falls for it any more.
c. As a result, playing the race card now will only backfire, and make the average American angry that they are being unfairly smeared.
d. The end result of these false accusations of racism will be to INCREASE support for McCain.

My soup is cold.

Racist.

My heating bill are too high.

Racist.

I don't want to die in a nuclear blast.

Racist.

I see how it is....

139 BLBfootballs  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:07:33am

re: #87 looking closely

So its racist for Black men to associate with White terrorists?

/who knew.

Well in that scenario I guess there's a real competition to see who's more racist! Who's exploiting who in the name of race? After all, even the anti-imperialist white terrorist only got to where he is because of the racial advantages inherited from his parents who took advantage of an imperialist and chauvanist power structure that otherized, alienated and exploited people with the 'wrong' skin color.

No doubt Ayers was only taking advantage of Barack Obama's (half-)blackness in a desperate attempt to identify with the oppressed masses, distancing himself from his persecutorial patrimony and burnishing his persona as an "authentic" terrorist. Yet another sad example of whites exploiting blacks to further their own ends...

140 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:07:35am

re: #106 zombie

I predicted when Obama first got the nomination that:

a. The campaign and the MSM would accuse anyone who didn't support Obama of being racist.
b. That the American public has already had the "race card" played on it SO MANY times in the past that as a nation we have wised up: nobody falls for it any more.
c. As a result, playing the race card now will only backfire, and make the average American angry that they are being unfairly smeared.
d. The end result of these false accusations of racism will be to INCREASE support for McCain.

I hope you are right. If not, Obama will win and he said he will ensure we are all shifted to the metric system in his first 100 days.

141 Spider Mensch  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:07:47am

hey if we use the term "racist and msm" in the same post 3 times doesn't cognito show up to defend his beloved breathren? like the media version of beetlejuice? ...lol..

142 gymnast  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:07:49am

My Man, The Reverend Al Sharpton is getting a bit pissed off about the fake reverend Jesse Jacksons recent attempts to cut into The Reverend Al's creative new group, "Racists for Barack Obama". Al doesn't want Jackson piggybacking on his brilliant ideas. In the words, of my Man, The reverend Al, "Always call a spade a spade" and keep those donations comin'.

143 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:07:52am
It suggests that the Hawaiian-born Christian is, at heart, un-American.

Funny how hanging out with unrepentant America hating terrorists will do that.

144 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:08:00am

re: #106 zombie

I predicted when Obama first got the nomination that:

a. The campaign and the MSM would accuse anyone who didn't support Obama of being racist.
b. That the American public has already had the "race card" played on it SO MANY times in the past that as a nation we have wised up: nobody falls for it any more.
c. As a result, playing the race card now will only backfire, and make the average American angry that they are being unfairly smeared.
d. The end result of these false accusations of racism will be to INCREASE support for McCain.

My take is that there are so many weak minded Americans who have not dealt with 9/11 and the ensuing WOT and Iraq. Because all of that is morally complicated, they seek "redemption" of our country using a vector that isn't morally complicated (or at least seems "black and white"). So they are yearning to vote for a black guy who is probably smart enough to handle the job so that they can take some bold action as contrition for past misdeeds.

This is a mentally ill country.

145 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:08:21am

And it amazes me how they fish out for those defeatist "Republican strategists". Probably they stood next to a Republican sometime.

146 DoubleU  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:08:26am

I think the racists thing will back fire, people get sick of it and it becomes meaningless.

BTW Charles, how many bottoms are there for the press?

If you forgot the list...
Don't talk about Obama's wife
his pastor,
his friends,
his associates ,
his mother,
his father,
his grandmother,
his religion,
his liberalism,
his ears,
his birth,
where he lived growing up,
his name,
his plan for "Change",
his flag pin,
his education,
his family's income,
his economic strategy,
his intentions for discussions with lunatic heads of state,
his dealings with Rezko,
his links to Farrakhan,
his experience in management,
his appeasement,
his gaffes,
or any of the people on his campaign.

147 nigella  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:08:48am

By the way the new buzz words regarding McCain/Palin are,"erratic" and "desperate". Seems all the talking heads are using those words to describe the new approach from McCain's campaign

148 Spiny Norman  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:08:53am
Apparently, now even criticizing Obama’s associations with white violent radicals is racist...

Any criticism of Barack Obama for any reason whatsoever is "racist" in the eyes of the Media. This has been obvious for some time now.

149 Wishing  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:08:56am

I have the police scanner on (I live in rural NE TN, a very Republican area) and a report just came in about a tan Mercedes Benz, driving thru town, swiping Republican signs.
a Mercedes yet....

150 DeafDog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:09:14am

re: #127 rightymouse


Remind him that McCarthy's attack dog was Robert Kennedy.

151 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:09:18am

re: #140 Jetpilot1101

I hope you are right. If not, Obama will win and he said he will ensure we are all shifted to the metric system in his first 100 days.

I had to think about that line. I finally got it. :)

152 Scion9  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:09:25am

re: #24 lawhawk


Well, they're half right - many terrorists are radical Muslims. Some may even be dark skinned

The AP's ascertion in itself is racist. The image of Arabs pushed in America by the press and by Hollywood, whom frequently cast Latino's, and South Asians in Arab roles, to make them look 'dark'.

While the Taliban might be predominantly South Asians, the majority of Islamic terrorism, including in Iraq is conducted by Arabs. Arabs are caucasoid. They are not dark skinned, just tanned.

Here is a perfect example of an Arab that doesn't see a lot of time in the sun...

[Link: media-2.web.britannica.com...]

How dark, and 'alien' he is. He certainly could never pass for a white man.

Arabs are no more of a racially 'dark stock' than many Southern Italians and other Mediteranean Europeans. Depicting Arabs as 'dark skinned' when they have skin that tans, rather than burn which is genetic divide exampled in 'whites' is just plainly false and racist to boot. You even find purely Arab people with shades of light brunette hair.

Every Arab, Indian, and Pakistani I have ever known (which isn't an insignificant number) complains about the conflation of their races no end. If Americans in fact identify 'terrorists' as being dark skinned people, it is because AP, the rest of the MSM and Leftist Hollywood has that as their agenda.

153 Steffan  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:09:27am

Toward the end of the Soviet Union, a common saying in Moscow was that "there was no truth in 'Pravda' ("Truth") and no news in 'Izvestia' ("News")."

Similarly, we can now say there is no truth or news in the Associated Press, which has become the house organ of the Obama Campaign, as politically suspect as Pravda (CPSU) or Volkischer Beobachter (NSDAP).

Orwell intended his stories as a warning. He really didn't expect anyone to use them as blueprints.

154 NoSubmission  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:09:36am
It suggests that the Hawaiian-born Christian is, at heart, un-American.


No true Christian would ever say, 'clinging to religion.'

155 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:09:42am

re: #105 Irene NYC

No problem, Mandy. I don't have time to start digging right now for links, but I know the exist, I've just never had to look for them. I'll see what I can find later cuz I have to run soon.

First thing I found. I've not read it.

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

156 shanec99  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:09:43am

re: #117 NoSubmission

Giving something a shot is worthwhile if your are doing CPR to a US soldier in cardiac arrest in Iraq... a worthwhile endeavor.

Trying to convince a Liberal express logical ideas is about as useless as a loaded bed pan on a hospital ward full of patients with dysentery. It is simply not worth the effort and bound to cause you sleepless nights and unmitigated frustration.

157 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:10:03am

re: #146 DoubleU
Y'all might want to add to that list: Charles White, retired attorney and mentor to WAB at Sidley, Austin law firm who MAY be the guy I mentioned in my #135
above.

158 DistantThunder  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:10:05am

re: #129 NoSubmission

He's a doll and a life long Republican. WE are perfect together. He stood back and watched as I 'pitbulled' them. LOL

Just do a good pre-nup and you'll be OK. Some guys claim they are Republican just so they can get the hot girls.

159 lawhawk  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:10:20am

re: #152 Scion9

Good point.

160 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:10:23am

re: #106 zombie

I predicted when Obama first got the nomination that:

a. The campaign and the MSM would accuse anyone who didn't support Obama of being racist.
b. That the American public has already had the "race card" played on it SO MANY times in the past that as a nation we have wised up: nobody falls for it any more.
c. As a result, playing the race card now will only backfire, and make the average American angry that they are being unfairly smeared.
d. The end result of these false accusations of racism will be to INCREASE support for McCain.

Spot on zombie....At least in my neck of the woods, the average human is sick of the whole race card thing. We are sick of the attempts to make us feel guilty because we are southerners, some with ancestors who were slave owners (like my ancestors were, sadly) and that we owe them something because their ancestors may have or may not have been slaves.

This is America for cryin out loud...nothing is holding anyone back from achieving their dreams....except for those who choose to allow themselves to be held back.


In essence they are still slaves, only to a different master.

161 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:10:34am

re: #125 WriterMom

"But he disavowed all that, and anyway-Obama doesn't really believe all that-he left that church..."

I'd then ask about his 20-year association with Wright.

162 smokefire  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:10:35am

Can anybody remember Symbionese Liberation Army?

Black leader, (General Field Marshall) Cinque, white members. What do we call that?

163 DoubleU  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:10:38am

re: #153 Steffan

Yes, but what about the beginning of communist controlled Russia?

164 jaunte  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:10:43am

The Obama campaign attempts a comeback in the 'Questionable Associations' category:
Paul Begala:
"And I think Governor Palin here is making a strategic mistake. This guilt by association path is going to be trouble ultimately for the McCain campaign. You know, you can go back, I have written a book about McCain, I had a dozen researchers go through him, I didn’t even put this in the book. But John McCain sat on the board of a very right-wing organization, it was the U.S. Council for World Freedom, it was chaired by a guy named John Singlaub, who wound up involved in the Iran contra scandal. It was an ultra conservative, right-wing group. The Anti-Defamation League, in 1981 when McCain was on the board, said this about this organization. It was affiliated with the World Anti-Communist League – the parent organization – which ADL said “has increasingly become a gathering place, a forum, a point of contact for extremists, racists and anti-Semites.”

[Link: www.politico.com...]

165 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:11:09am

re: #128 Irene NYC

That person's grant was for 12 months - and the rate was higher than their salary as a journalist. Talk about buying someone's soul!

Body and mind, too.

Sounds like a bribe to me.

166 BigPapa  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:11:10am

re: #152 Scion9

RACIST! Heh.

(well said, but agreeing would make me a racist)

167 BigPapa  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:11:35am

re: #162 smokefire

PGA Tour?

168 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:11:46am

re: #134 NoSubmission

THEY.DON'T.CARE. They are lemmings.

Wish they would all jump off a cliff before they take the rest of us with them.

169 jorline  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:12:01am

Hey...first hat tip...thank you, Charles

170 looking closely  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:12:28am

re: #139 BLBfootballs

I see the error in my premise.

Its not racist for a Black person to associate with a White terrorist, but it *IS* racist to point out the association.

/I stand corrected.

By analogy, any discussion of the Black Panthers by a white person is automatically racist.

171 NoSubmission  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:12:47am

re: #156 shanec99

Giving something a shot is worthwhile if your are doing CPR to a US soldier in cardiac arrest in Iraq... a worthwhile endeavor.
Trying to convince a Liberal express logical ideas is about as useless as a loaded bed pan on a hospital ward full of patients with dysentery. It is simply not worth the effort and bound to cause you sleepless nights and unmitigated frustration.


LOL. Great point. You're right. Guess it was the White Russians I drank.

172 Spider Mensch  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:12:50am

you know when is the perfect time to scream "Racist"? when you can't answer the question.

173 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:12:59am

OT: Posted this last night but many probably didn't see it.

Flying Pig moment.

Alec Baldwin on Bill Maher says Democrats to blame for financial meltdown.

Two people applauded in the audience.

I wonder if he will move to France if Barney Frank gets reelected?

174 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:13:01am

re: #149 Wishing

I have the police scanner on (I live in rural NE TN, a very Republican area) and a report just came in about a tan Mercedes Benz, driving thru town, swiping Republican signs.
a Mercedes yet....

Knox county plates?

175 Sol Roth  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:13:09am

re: #156 shanec99

Trying to convince a Liberal express logical ideas is about as useless as a loaded bed pan on a hospital ward full of patients with dysentery.

HA!

176 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:13:24am

re: #164 jaunte
They will lose that "comeback in the Associations" category BIG TIME since most of his associations are with people Barry HIMSELF wrote about in his two books or has discussed in interviews.

177 reggie  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:13:24am

I emailed Drudge to move this story's link next to another one he has, to put them both into the appropriate context: "Al-Qaida: US economic crisis equals Muslim victory..."

178 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:13:24am

re: #149 Wishing

I have the police scanner on (I live in rural NE TN, a very Republican area) and a report just came in about a tan Mercedes Benz, driving thru town, swiping Republican signs.
a Mercedes yet....


It's called "rich guilt"...which is stupid. If I were very rich, or even inherited my wealth, I wouldn't feel one iota of guilt. Unless my parents were pirates or drug dealers or similar.

If these rich folk feel so damn guilty about having money I say, give it to me. I have no problems with being rich.

179 Colonel Panik  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:13:34am

Some Lizard asked the other night what Obama's "O" symbol reminds people of.
I knew it reminded me of something but could not quite place what it was. When I woke up this morning I remembered. Back in the 1980's there was a television miniseries called "Amerika" in which the Soviets had conquered the US by setting off four very large hydrogen bombs at the edge of space positioned so that the entire country was blanketed with a massive EMP burst to knock out all communications. Then they invaded. The series was set 10 years after the invasion. America had been divided up in to regions such as "Heartland" which all had their own flags that mixed American and Soviet iconography. That's what the Obama symbol reminds me of.

If you want to view this series, good luck. There was a VHS boxed set released in 1995 but no DVD is available.

180 Wishing  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:13:51am

re: #174 MandyManners

Knox county plates?

all i caught was name Marotta

181 gman  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:13:58am

Who wants to keep the concept of "race" alive in order to give "feel good" funding to certain groups of people?

Now, that's racism.

182 jaunte  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:14:02am

re: #176 realwest

That Begala quote sounded like a very long stretch...

183 DistantThunder  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:14:06am

re: #158 DistantThunder

Just do a good pre-nup and you'll be OK. Some guys claim they are Republican just so they can get the hot girls.

Accidental strike through.

184 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:14:20am

re: #162 smokefire

Can anybody remember Symbionese Liberation Army?

Black leader, (General Field Marshall) Cinque, white members. What do we call that?


Wasn't the SLA the outfit that kidnapped Patty Hearst?

185 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:14:25am

re: #156 shanec99

Giving something a shot is worthwhile if your are doing CPR to a US soldier in cardiac arrest in Iraq... a worthwhile endeavor.

Trying to convince a Liberal express logical ideas is about as useless as a loaded bed pan on a hospital ward full of patients with dysentery. It is simply not worth the effort and bound to cause you sleepless nights and unmitigated frustration.

Kinda like tryin' to teach a pig to sing.
Wastes time and only annoys the pig.

186 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:14:29am

re: #180 Wishing

all i caught was name Marotta

Registerd driver of the car?

187 GorgonBEgone  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:14:32am

Check it out

If you can't view it then send it on to everyone in your address book
and let them tell you if they believe it.

Let's go viral folks. LOL

188 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:14:48am

re: #184 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Wasn't the SLA the outfit that kidnapped Patty Hearst?

Yep.

189 DistantThunder  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:14:50am

re: #164 jaunte

The Obama campaign attempts a comeback in the 'Questionable Associations' category:
Paul Begala:
"And I think Governor Palin here is making a strategic mistake. This guilt by association path is going to be trouble ultimately for the McCain campaign. You know, you can go back, I have written a book about McCain, I had a dozen researchers go through him, I didn’t even put this in the book. But John McCain sat on the board of a very right-wing organization, it was the U.S. Council for World Freedom, it was chaired by a guy named John Singlaub, who wound up involved in the Iran contra scandal. It was an ultra conservative, right-wing group. The Anti-Defamation League, in 1981 when McCain was on the board, said this about this organization. It was affiliated with the World Anti-Communist League – the parent organization – which ADL said “has increasingly become a gathering place, a forum, a point of contact for extremists, racists and anti-Semites.”

[Link: www.politico.com...]

And this one time...at band camp....

190 Colin Nelson  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:14:57am

This link may have already been provided but given the insanity of the AP item, the Newsweek article is worth a look as well:

[Link: www.newsweek.com...]

191 zombie  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:15:06am

Another hidden lie is contained in the AP article. Like many of the other references to the Weathermen, including Obama's own "8 years old" comment, the AP says they were protesting the presence of American troops in Vietnam. That is repeated by the Weathermen's defenders over and over. But as pointed out in this LGF article,

Zombie points out another fact that’s rather inconvenient for Ayers’ claim that his bombings were intended to “resist” the war in Vietnam: the majority of their attacks occurred after the US had already pulled out of Vietnam.

The weatherman may have been originally inspired to commit domestic terrorism in support of the communists in Vietnam, but that was just original excuse: after Nixon pulled out all ground troops and essentially ended our participation in the war, the Weathermen started coming up with NEW excuses and justifications and kept bombing things for years afterward:

May 18, 1973 - The bombing of the 103rd Police Precinct in New York. WUO states this is in response to the killing of 10-year-old black youth Clifford Glover by police.

September 28, 1973 - The ITT headquarters in New York and Rome, Italy are bombed. WUO states this is in response to ITT's alleged role in the Chilean coup earlier that month. [NYT, 9/28/73]

March 6, 1974 - Bombing of the Dept. of Health, Education and Welfare offices in San Francisco. WUO states this is to protest alleged sterilization of poor women. In the accompanying communiqué, the Women’s Brigade argues for "the need for women to take control of daycare, healthcare, birth control and other aspects of women's daily lives."

May 31, 1974 - The Office of the California Attorney General is bombed. WUO states this is in response to the killing of six members of the Symbionese Liberation Army.

July, 1974 – The WUO releases the book Prairie Fire, in which they indicate the need for a unified Communist Party. They encourage the creation of study groups to discuss their ideology, and continue to stress the need for violent acts. The book also admits WUO responsibility of several actions from previous years. The Prairie Fire Organizing Committee (PFOC) arises from the teachings in this book and is organized by many former WUO members.

September 11, 1974 – Bombing of Anaconda Corporation (part of the Rockefeller Corporation). WUO states this is in retribution for Anaconda’s alleged involvement in the Chilean coup the previous year.

June 16, 1975 - Weathermen bomb a Banco de Ponce (a Puerto Rican bank) in New York, WUO states this is in solidarity with striking Puerto Rican cement workers.

...etc.!

If I hear one more time that the Weather Underground was an "anti-war organization that protested against Vietnam," I'm gonna blow a fuse.

192 nigella  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:15:07am

Jaunte, heard that. I'm sure right now hundreds of "fact checkers" are scouring everything to find something to hang on McCain regarding this. My question to them when this McCain scandal is;did this group kill anyone or bomb anything?

193 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:15:21am

So by their standards, is any criticism of Governor Palin sexism?

194 Wishing  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:15:25am

re: #186 MandyManners

Registerd driver of the car?

right...registered name was Marotta

195 lostlakehiker  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:15:59am
Most troubling, however, is how allowing racism to creep into the discussion serves McCain's purpose so well. As the fallout from Wright's sermons showed earlier this year, forcing Obama to abandon issues to talk about race leads to unresolved arguments about America's promise to treat all people equally.

Riiight. Fannie and Freddie go bust because America's laws mandate treating people differently, whatever it takes, so that they'll all cross the finish line to home ownership together.

The only way that can happen is if homeownership is something that everyone can not just aspire to some day, if they save their money and upgrade their skills so that their income will reach, but everyone can get RIGHT NOW.

The only way to arrange for that is to throw over all the rules about who qualifies for a mortgage, and how much. And next thing you know, everybody, black, white, green-skinned Martian, is buying right and left, and damn the expense. After all, it's no money down and no payments for 90 days. (Balloon mortgages and negative amortization are fancy versions of that idea.) Banks have to write those loans, and Fannie and Freddie buy them greedily. The house of cards rises ever higher. The sky's the limit!

Oops. Reality is a stubborn thing. By and by, as the "90 days" expire, homeowners start to default. No problem. They can just sell, and another buyer will take up the mortgage. Another "90 days" intermission. But you can only juggle so many houses in the air for so long. When housing prices hit the wall, at half a million for some crappy starter home (yes, it was getting to that point in some markets), the air goes out of the bubble.

Or take education. Out with the SAT! By treating individuals as individuals, it runs afoul of the Democrat version of America's promise to treat everyone equally: treat everyone differently, to whatever extent it takes so that the results are equal.

This, too, has been destructive. Again, standards have to go out the window. Again, across the board. Next thing you know, apart from some sheltered technical subjects that just don't lend themselves to waiving standards, we get a generation of students who have a lot of trouble writing coherently or even writing their own work. Men like, say, Joe Biden.

196 Sol Roth  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:16:05am

re: #164 jaunte

You're quoting Paul Begala "The Forehead," the Clinton propagandist who along with Strobe Talbott, pushed for subversion of the U.S. to global, regional governance?

197 looking closely  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:16:06am

re: #164 jaunte

The Obama campaign attempts a comeback in the 'Questionable Associations' category:
Paul Begala:
"And I think Governor Palin here is making a strategic mistake. This guilt by association path is going to be trouble ultimately for the McCain campaign.
[Link: www.politico.com...]


LOL, if this doofus wants Obama and McCain to go blow-by-blow with associations, let them.

Here, I'll start: Obama claimed that "Ayers just lived in his neighborhood" but Obama's political career started at a benefit at William Ayers' home in Chicago.

198 lawhawk  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:16:06am

So, how exactly is the Obama campaign going to spin this as racist?

The RNC is filing charges with the FEC over the Obama campaign taking campaign contributions from foreign nationals and excessive contributions over the federal limits.

199 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:16:34am

re: #173 karmic_inquisitor
Hi There karmic_inquisitor - yeah I updinged you on that one last night/early this morning!
BTW, would you kindly take a look at my #135 and tell me what you think?!

200 rightymouse  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:16:38am

re: #150 DeafDog

Remind him that McCarthy's attack dog was Robert Kennedy.

Oooh..forgot about that one. Good catch.

201 lawhawk  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:16:44am

re: #173 karmic_inquisitor

Well, Cold Cash Jefferson looks like he's not going to have any problem getting reelected, so why should Frank worry?

202 jaunte  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:17:07am

re: #196 Sol Roth

Just keeping an eye on what the other side is doing...

203 J.S.  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:17:20am

re: #26 MJ

CNN has an incredibly hilarious team of CNNers which calls itself the "Truth Squad" -- yeah, as I laugh -- in reality, of course, it's the "Liar's Squad for Obama". The "Truth" Squad is a hilarious joke -- just like Pravda...

204 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:17:20am

re: #194 Wishing

right...registered name was Marotta

I knew a Sicilian family near Erwin years ago. Different name, though.

205 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:17:45am

re: #198 lawhawk

So, how exactly is the Obama campaign going to spin this as racist?

The RNC is filing charges with the FEC over the Obama campaign taking campaign contributions from foreign nationals and excessive contributions over the federal limits.

Yippppeeeeeeeeeeee!

206 looking closely  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:17:56am

re: #178 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

It's called "rich guilt"...which is stupid. If I were very rich, or even inherited my wealth, I wouldn't feel one iota of guilt. Unless my parents were pirates or drug dealers or similar.

If these rich folk feel so damn guilty about having money I say, give it to me. I have no problems with being rich.

"Limousine liberals" is the usual term.
But I wouldn't discount entirely the possibility that the perpetrator is a paid (or more likely volunteer) Obama campaign worker.

207 Gorgon Zola  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:18:02am

Lie down with splodeydopes,,,arise with thermite residues

208 BBev  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:18:06am

some here may remember me complaining about the Obama Campaign's continuous harassment by knocking on my door every weekend and sometimes twice a day, I have been called a racists by them and I know another poster here ( life long friend ) that was called a fascist. I truly believe that these people do not know what the meaning of either is.

209 jorline  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:18:06am

re: #176 realwest

They will lose that "comeback in the Associations" category BIG TIME since most of his associations are with people Barry HIMSELF wrote about in his two books or has discussed in interviews.

Good afternoon, RW. I read your post to me on the other thread and agree. You have to be a total asshat to read racism into Palin's comments. Unfortunately we will all be branded because we oppose Obama.

210 jaunte  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:18:08am

re: #203 J.S.

I hope everyone will remind them of the Russian translation.

211 keen  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:18:19am

At the end of the debate, Biden gripped Palin's upper arm and started moving his hand up and down, rubbing and squeezing. I thought she would smack him, but, after a few seconds, she backed away. It was disgusting. Someone should put it on youtube. What a creep: shades of Bill Clinton. (this was on Fox coverage, I didn't check for other angles.)

212 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:18:35am

re: #203 J.S.

CNN has an incredibly hilarious team of CNNers which calls itself the "Truth Squad" -- yeah, as I laugh -- in reality, of course, it's the "Liar's Squad for Obama". The "Truth" Squad is a hilarious joke -- just like Pravda...

Isn't "Truth Squad" also the name of BHO's attack squad?

213 zombie  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:18:38am

re: #164 jaunte

The Obama campaign attempts a comeback in the 'Questionable Associations' category:
Paul Begala:
"And I think Governor Palin here is making a strategic mistake. This guilt by association path is going to be trouble ultimately for the McCain campaign. You know, you can go back, I have written a book about McCain, I had a dozen researchers go through him, I didn’t even put this in the book. But John McCain sat on the board of a very right-wing organization, it was the U.S. Council for World Freedom, it was chaired by a guy named John Singlaub, who wound up involved in the Iran contra scandal. It was an ultra conservative, right-wing group. The Anti-Defamation League, in 1981 when McCain was on the board, said this about this organization. It was affiliated with the World Anti-Communist League – the parent organization – which ADL said “has increasingly become a gathering place, a forum, a point of contact for extremists, racists and anti-Semites.”

[Link: www.politico.com...]

Well, if they're gonna play that game, then let's see:

McCain was associated with anti-Communists
Obama was associated with Communists.

Hmmmm. Gotta think about this one for a while.

214 Spiny Norman  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:18:50am

re: #149 Wishing

I have the police scanner on (I live in rural NE TN, a very Republican area) and a report just came in about a tan Mercedes Benz, driving thru town, swiping Republican signs.
a Mercedes yet....

Any wagers that if the idiot is caught he'll claim having a "McCain/Palin '08" sign in your yard is exactly the same as a "burning cross"?

215 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:18:58am

re: #182 jaunte
Yes, it did but please see my #135 above - I KNOW White is a common name, but it's the name of the now retired attorney at Sidley. Austin who mentored Michelle Obama and while it's slim as a reed, I'd love to know if that White in my #135 is the same as the retired attorney who mentored Michelle Obama?

216 Wishing  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:19:02am

re: #204 MandyManners

I knew a Sicilian family near Erwin years ago. Different name, though.

I live in the next town

217 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:19:23am

re: #208 BBev

some here may remember me complaining about the Obama Campaign's continuous harassment by knocking on my door every weekend and sometimes twice a day, I have been called a racists by them and I know another poster here ( life long friend ) that was called a fascist. I truly believe that these people do not know what the meaning of either is.

Stay vigilant when BHO loses.

218 doppelganglander  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:19:31am

re: #149 Wishing

I have the police scanner on (I live in rural NE TN, a very Republican area) and a report just came in about a tan Mercedes Benz, driving thru town, swiping Republican signs.
a Mercedes yet....

Either it's a teenager (in Daddy's car), or a liberal who, by definition, operates on the emotional level of a teenager.

219 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:19:43am

re: #198 lawhawk

So, how exactly is the Obama campaign going to spin this as racist?

The RNC is filing charges with the FEC over the Obama campaign taking campaign contributions from foreign nationals and excessive contributions over the federal limits.

What does that mean, though? Would 0bama have to forgo that money then?

220 DeafDog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:19:44am

re: #160 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

This is America for cryin out loud...nothing is holding anyone back from achieving their dreams....except for those who choose to allow themselves to be held back.


In essence they are still slaves, only to a different master.

Side comment - my ancestors hail from a part of Eastern Europe tht was controlled by the Tzars. They were Serfs (i.e. slaves), too - freed only in 1861.

It's not what African-Americans want to hear, but they are not the only ones who have to 'overcome' a history of slavery. They need to get over it.

The segregation/prejudice stuff is a different matter. But MLK was a republican for a reason.

221 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:19:56am

re: #216 Wishing

I live in the next town

Beautiful country.

222 NoSubmission  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:19:57am

This guy's art cracks me up. He does political paintings of all kinds.
Obama Unicorn Nude Fairy Dragon Ocean

223 shanec99  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:20:01am

re: #175 Sol Roth

Can you think of a more useless endeavor than praying to Allah for the day when Liberals will become logical and expecting that the prayer will be answered?

I hope no one calls me racist for asking this question.

224 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:20:10am

Just in from a friend:

Once upon a time, on a farm in Virginia , there was a little red hen who scratched about the barnyard until she uncovered quite a few grains of wheat.

She called all of her Democrat neighbors together and said, 'If we plant this wheat, we shall have bread to eat. Who will help me plant it?'

'Not I,' said the cow.

'Not I,' said the duck.

'Not I,' said the pig.

'Not I,' said the goose.

'Then I will do it by myself,' said the little red hen, and so she did.

The wheat grew very tall and ripened into golden grain.

'Who will help me reap my wheat?' asked the little red hen.

'Not I,' said the duck..

'Out of my classification,' said the pig.

'I'd lose my seniority,' said the cow.

'I'd lose my unemployment compensation,' said the goose.

'Then I will do it by myself,' said the little red hen, and so she did.

At last it came time to bake the bread.

'Who will help me bake the bread?' asked the little red hen.

'That would be overtime for me,' said the cow.

'I'd lose my welfare benefits,' said the duck.

'I'm a dropout and never learned how,' said the pig.

'If I'm to be the only helper, that's discrimination,' said the goose.

'Then I will do it by myself,' said the little red hen.

She baked five loaves and held them up for all of her neighbors to see. They wanted some and, in fact, demanded a share. But the little red hen said, 'No, I shall eat all five loaves.'

'Excess profits!' cried the cow. (Nancy Pelosi)

'Capitalist leech!' screamed the duck. (Barbara Boxer)

'I demand equal rights!' yelled the goose. (Jesse Jackson)

The pig just grunted in disdain. (Ted Kennedy)

And they all painted 'Unfair!' picket signs and marched around and around the little red hen, shouting obscenities.

Then the farmer (Obama) came. He said to the little red hen, 'You must not be so greedy.'

'But I earned the bread,' said the little red hen.

'Exactly,' said Barack the farmer. 'That is what makes our free enterprise system so wonderful. Anyone in the barnyard can earn as much as he wants. But under our modern government regulations, the productive workers must divide the fruits of their labor with those who are lazy and idle.'

And they all lived happily ever after, including the little red hen, who
smiled and clucked, 'I am grateful, for now I truly understand.'

But her neighbors became quite disappointed in her.

She never again baked bread because she joined the 'party' and got her bread free.

And all the Democrats smiled. 'Fairness' had been established.

Individual initiative had died, but nobody noticed; perhaps no one cared...so long as there was free bread that 'the rich' were paying for.

IS THIS A GREAT BARNYARD OR WHAT? DON'T FORGET TO VOTE IN NOVEMBER

225 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:20:11am

re: #188 MandyManners

Yep.


That's pretty much all I remember of that time as I was born in 67 and the first time I started paying attention to politics/world events was the Hearst kidnapping and the Ford/Dole campaign.

It's funny, I made a sign, with poster board and magic marker, that said Ford/Dole and put it in my parents yard.

I remember my dad cussing when Carter won. I also remember the gas lines.

226 Spiny Norman  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:20:46am

re: #178 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

It's called "rich guilt"...which is stupid. If I were very rich, or even inherited my wealth, I wouldn't feel one iota of guilt. Unless my parents were pirates or drug dealers or similar.

What about "rum runners"?

;^)

227 CapeCoddah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:20:46am

re: #201 lawhawk

Well, Cold Cash Jefferson looks like he's not going to have any problem getting reelected, so why should Frank worry?

Good afternoon everyone, Lawhawk, People are pretty mad at Barney here in Moonbat HQ. I hope enough of them are angry in his own district to get rid of him. It just ight happen.

228 Wishing  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:20:53am

re: #221 MandyManners

Beautiful country.

It is simply the BEST kept secret! No state income tax, great people, wonderful community. I could go on and on...I love it here

229 Syrah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:20:56am

re: #208 BBev

some here may remember me complaining about the Obama Campaign's continuous harassment by knocking on my door every weekend and sometimes twice a day, I have been called a racists by them and I know another poster here ( life long friend ) that was called a fascist. I truly believe that these people do not know what the meaning of either is.

For them, fascist and racist means little more than "villain"

230 West Coast Freedom  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:21:24am

From Don Fredrick's Website:

"Obama is hired with $25,000 Kellman receives from the Woods Fund. Obama will later serve on the Woods Fund board, along with former Weather Underground domestic terrorist, Pentagon bomber, radical, leftist, communist, and fugitive from justice William Ayers."

It seems the relationship started in the later 80's to me. The Shadow Party is taking control of the USA as we head towards the election.

231 SummerSong  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:21:45am

re: #19 Wishing

Here is a young black rrepublican who is trying to *unchackle the brains* of Democrats

Linky

LOL "Don't start none, won't be none".

Thanks for posting it.

232 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:21:46am

The real problem with this country is a complete and total lack of accountability. CEO's run banks into the ground and we bail them out. Idiots take out mortgages they can't afford and the feds step in to lower the rate and the principle. Folks get themselves into too much credit card debt, declare bankruptcy and hardworking honest taxpayers pick up the tab. Until people are held accountable, this country is going to continue to spiral down until it implodes.

233 Syrah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:21:53am

re: #219 Sharmuta

What does that mean, though? Would 0bama have to forgo that money then?

I doubt that anything would come of it or could be compelled from it till much after the election.

234 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:21:56am

re: #178 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I hope loflyer didn't see that.

235 J.S.  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:22:00am

re: #212 MandyManners

wow...I believe you're correct...

236 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:22:24am

re: #193 Sharmuta

So by their standards, is any criticism of Governor Palin sexism?

and all criticism of McCain are Ageist.

237 BigPapa  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:22:34am

re: #179 Colonel Panik

Great read on Wiki, but I'd rather watch Red Dawn. I guess I'm a closet RACIST!

238 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:22:44am

re: #211 keen

At the end of the debate, Biden gripped Palin's upper arm and started moving his hand up and down, rubbing and squeezing. I thought she would smack him, but, after a few seconds, she backed away. It was disgusting. Someone should put it on youtube. What a creep: shades of Bill Clinton. (this was on Fox coverage, I didn't check for other angles.)

I didn't see that and consider your observation suspect (low posts), but if true, I would have loved to see Palin pull away rapidly, just as one would distance themselves from a raging fire.

239 WriterMom  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:23:02am
240 capitalist piglet  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:23:50am

re: #154 NoSubmission

No true Christian would ever say, 'clinging to religion.'

I find this weird:

"It suggests that the Hawaiian-born Christian is, at heart, un-American."

Why put emphasis on his religion and birthplace, when it has nothing to do with the (made up) story?

Is this more pre-emptive striking, like the Ayers thing? Do they sense something coming, or know about it? I just have to wonder if the Clintons are cooking up something right now.

241 Wishing  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:23:59am

re: #231 SummerSong

LOL "Don't start none, won't be none".

Thanks for posting it.

YW

242 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:24:00am

re: #219 Sharmuta
The FEC won't even begin to consider that case until after the election is over; they move more slowly than glaciers - even Al Gore's glaciers!

243 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:24:05am

re: #225 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

That's pretty much all I remember of that time as I was born in 67 and the first time I started paying attention to politics/world events was the Hearst kidnapping and the Ford/Dole campaign.

It's funny, I made a sign, with poster board and magic marker, that said Ford/Dole and put it in my parents yard.

I remember my dad cussing when Carter won. I also remember the gas lines.

I was born a bit before then. My first media memories are of the footage from Viet Nam.

244 DeafDog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:24:10am

re: #198 lawhawk

So, how exactly is the Obama campaign going to spin this as racist?

The RNC is filing charges with the FEC over the Obama campaign taking campaign contributions from foreign nationals and excessive contributions over the federal limits.

"Foreign" nationals obviously refers to people of different skin pigmentation.

245 rightymouse  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:24:11am

re: #193 Sharmuta

So by their standards, is any criticism of Governor Palin sexism?

How in the world could they possibly be sexist when all their hysterial hyperbole boils down to her being a Republican with a vagina?

/

246 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:24:13am

re: #187 GorgonBEgone

Check it out

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

If you can't view it then send it on to everyone in your address book
and let them tell you if they believe it.

Let's go viral folks. LOL

Great vid.

I am emailing it.

247 rightymouse  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:24:30am

PIMF - hysterical

248 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:24:30am

re: #228 Wishing

It is simply the BEST kept secret! No state income tax, great people, wonderful community. I could go on and on...I love it here

Are the trees in full color now?

249 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:24:53am

re: #223 shanec99
Racist! - sorry, just couldn't resist!
;')

250 capitalist piglet  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:25:04am

re: #212 MandyManners

Isn't "Truth Squad" also the name of BHO's attack squad?

Yes, I believe it is. What a coincidence, huh?

251 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:25:21am

re: #243 MandyManners

I was born a bit before then. My first media memories are of the footage from Viet Nam.

Mine, too, I never new life without war in black and white on the evening news.

252 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:25:22am

re: #242 realwest

The FEC won't even begin to consider that case until after the election is over; they move more slowly than glaciers - even Al Gore's glaciers!

But in the mean time it's damaging- is that the goal? Because I doubt 0bama's people care if he's taking illegal contributions, but average Americans would care.

253 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:25:28am

re: #222 NoSubmission

This guy's art cracks me up. He does political paintings of all kinds.
Obama Unicorn Nude Fairy Dragon Ocean

He'd probably sell more if he dressed Obama in a suit. The unicorn is the message, not the nakedness.

254 alien_mind  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:25:56am

re: #32 unrealizedviewpoint

I think these racism charges will backfire big-time on them. Most folks aren't racists, and it pisses us off when accused.


i agree, and I think that the overwhelming bias of organizations like the NYT or AP will end up backfiring as well. They have painted themselves into a corner by chosing sides. People aren't stupid, and will figure it out, although some take much longer than others. Face it, does anyone take a Times or AP story any more seriously than an SNL skit, or The Daily Show?
They're jokes now.

255 Irene NYC  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:26:05am

My God, zombie! If the world was fair, for this thread alone, your posts should earn you a Pulitzer MacArthur Genius Award.

No kidding. You're a national treasure.

256 lawhawk  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:26:19am

re: #227 CapeCoddah

Don't count on it. The guy has been a lout for decades and nothing has stopped him from being reelected time and time again with comfortable margins.

I wish it were otherwise, but that Frank had the power to take action and help pass reform measures to regulate Fannie and Freddie and refused to even accept that there was a problem will not deter voters. If that were the case, then the Democrats across the country should be in for a huge loss - but that's not going to happen either - as much as that is deserved.

Instead, the media and Democrats have tarred the GOP as being behind the failure of the housing market, the subprime mess, and subsequent toxic paper mess and bailout. And they're successfully implanting that notion on too many people. We need to see more of that GOP ad showing Frank et al saying all was well, and doing nothing as the crisis spiraled out of control when they were in power and we had the power to limit the extent of the crisis.

Here's a question that everyone should be asking - just how affordable is affordable housing when we need a $700 billion bailout to get all those subprime mortgages and the toxic paper off the books in pursuit of giving people "affordable housing".

257 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:26:57am

re: #230 West Coast Freedom

1985-1988

Obama moves to Chicago, and hangs out with black militants and leftists. [33] Obama works as a “community organizer” for the “Industrial Areas Foundation” (IAF), an organization founded by Marxist and radical agitator Saul Alinsky. Its national activities have included a “Citizens USA” project to obtain citizenship for over one million illegal aliens. (Coincidentally, Hillary Rodham Clinton’s senior honors thesis at Wellesley College, “There is Only the Fight,” is about Alinsky; [45,192,229] in 1968 Alinsky offered her a job, which she declined.) [46] Obama also works with the Alinsky group Developing Communities Project, and ACORN (the “Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now”) and Project Vote, both Alinsky-network creations. [45] ACORN is an off-shoot of what had been the National Welfare Rights League, a militant 1960s group that staged protests in welfare offices and, often successfully, demanded increased benefits with threats of violence. [227]

While at IAF, Obama reports to Gerald Kellman. [20] Kellman is a follower of Alinsky, whose book “Rules for Radicals” was widely read by 1960s radicals, such as members of Students for a Democratic Society, Weather Underground, and the youths who rioted at the 1968 Democrat Convention in Chicago. [33] (Obama’s line about “the world as it is and the world as it should be,” which his future wife swooned over and which she repeated twice in her speech to the Democrat National Convention, comes from Chapter 2 of Alinsky’s book.)

SNIP

258 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:27:04am

re: #240 capitalist piglet

I find this weird:

"It suggests that the Hawaiian-born Christian is, at heart, un-American."

Why put emphasis on his religion and birthplace, when it has nothing to do with the (made up) story?

Is this more pre-emptive striking, like the Ayers thing? Do they sense something coming, or know about it? I just have to wonder if the Clintons are cooking up something right now.

With the kind of weirdness that surrounds the Clintons, it wouldn't be too surprising if Obama turned up less than living and Hillary stepped into the #1 spot

259 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:27:20am

re: #208 BBev

some here may remember me complaining about the Obama Campaign's continuous harassment by knocking on my door every weekend and sometimes twice a day, I have been called a racists by them and I know another poster here ( life long friend ) that was called a fascist. I truly believe that these people do not know what the meaning of either is.

They have no idea how offputting they can be.


OTOH, when I was evacuated for Ike and staying at my boyfriend's place, I got an Obama volunteer at his door. She was nice. I told her that I was voting for Mac and she tried to sway me, and I treid to sway her...it was actually very civil...I got good vibes. At the end of the conversation I told her (she was a college student) that although I disagreed with her POV, I thought that it was admirable that a young person (geez, I sound like my paw-paw!) believed enough in a cause to give up her personal time. I also thanked her for the civility of her arguments, to which she replied, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it would be a disservice to not try to introduce opposing viewpoints.

I was impressed. Not enough to convert to Obamism, but impressed.

Unfortunately, she is a rarety amongst the rabid left. Perhaps there is hope for her.

260 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:27:24am

re: #135 realwest

How would one establish they are the same guy?

261 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:27:39am

re: #235 J.S.

wow...I believe you're correct...

Coincidence? I think not.

262 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:27:48am

re: #226 Spiny Norman

What about "rum runners"?

;^)


LOL

263 gman  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:27:53am

The MSM is hoping Palin backs off of this topic because they know damn well this is Obama's achilles heel.

"If you hit a ton of flak you know you're over the target."

264 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:28:33am

re: #250 capitalist piglet

Yes, I believe it is. What a coincidence, huh?

GMTA.

265 nigella  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:28:57am

Capitalist piglet, Unless Obama promised Hillary a Supreme Court nomination, it would seem she would have to be working on getting Obama defeated. I just don't see her as that dedicated to her "party." She is only interested in her own political career. Somehow just being a Senator would not be enough for her. Her chance at the Presidency would be gone if Obama wins. Hopefully she and Bill still have some of their dirty tricks.

266 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:29:05am

re: #234 CyanSnowHawk

I hope loflyer didn't see that.

Why?

267 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:29:11am

re: #251 goddessoftheclassroom

Mine, too, I never new life without war in black and white on the evening news.

The Kid never knew life without high-speed dial-up.

268 WinterCat  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:29:16am

re: #90 gymnast

This is an excellent post. I was googling that this morning but got interrupted by a hungry family who wanted Sunday morning breakfast.

269 NoSubmission  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:29:16am

re: #253 unrealizedviewpoint

He'd probably sell more if he dressed Obama in a suit. The unicorn is the message, not the nakedness.

The nakedness is funny. Adds to the absurdity.

He paints pancakes on the heads of political and cultural icons. He skewers everyone. This one definitely should have been a waffle.

270 yma o hyd  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:29:16am

re: #93 DistantThunder

In the deprogramming literature I've read, when the victim is resistant to most news and facts, they said it is helpful in exit-counseling (the non-coercive version of deprogramming) to show them example of other people in other places who share their concerns, or examples of brainwashing in other cultures and governments.

I'm going to start sending examples of socialist systems in other countries and the problems those socialist systems have to my poor brother.

OMG

Just show him reports of living conditions in the UK - after 11 years of Obama-like politics, started by that white Obama, Tony Blair ...

Aww, sorry, that was racist ...

271 zombie  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:29:27am
September, 1975 – Bombing of the Kennecott Corporation; WUO states this is in retribution for Kennecott's alleged involvement in the Chilean coup two years prior.

October 20, 1981 - Brinks robbery in which Kathy Boudin and several members of the Weather Underground and the Black Liberation Army stole over $1 million from a Brinks armored car at the Nanuet Mall, near Nyack, New York on October 20, 1981. The robbers were stopped by police later that day and engaged them in a shootout, killing two police officers and one Brinks guard as well as wounding several others.


Still bombing things in September, 1975, are we, Mr. Bill Ayers? And you try to tell me that you were merely protesting the Vietnam War, which had already ended (with your side victorious) FIVE MONTHS EARLIER?!?!?!?

Still trying to fund your terrorism crime spree with violent bank robberies in 1981, are we, Mr. Bill Ayers? When, by the way, Obama was not 8 years old, but 20 years old.

272 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:29:34am

re: #227 CapeCoddah
I think you're dreaming but pray you're right.

273 Desert Dog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:29:37am

re: #253 unrealizedviewpoint

Calling out Obama's relationship with a known terrorist = racist

Painting a picture of a nude Obama riding a unicorn = they're down with that

What if the "artist" was a Republican? I shutter to think of the tsunami of wailing and crying that would ensue.

274 richiep  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:30:07am

BO is un-American. There is no question or doubt IMO. The MSM has not been balanced since Cronkite [sp] declared defeat in Viet Nam.

Back to the Giants game.

275 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:30:15am

re: #252 Sharmuta
Yep - goal is get the money, explain it later (or not at all if Obama wins).

276 kevinmumaw  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:30:47am

Thank God the AP is there to point this out to me, otherwise I would have never known that noticing that a presidential candidate is friends with an unrepentant terrorist was racist. Now I can sleep better.

277 debutaunt  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:31:00am

re: #30 nigella

Saw that meet the depressed this morning is saying you can't link someone to someone they knew.....Of course you can if you link Bush/McCain. That's different. And by the way would someone shut Peggy Noonan's stupid mouth? She's jumped the shark for sure regarding Sarah Palin.

Noonan, Krauthammer and Liz Trotta

278 shanec99  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:31:02am

re: #249 realwest

You are part of the New York Times editorial staff ... right? Please confirm my worst fears.

Or are you just being sarcastic? (sarcasm)

279 Duane  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:31:31am

1984, just 24 yrs late

280 CapeCoddah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:31:55am

re: #272 realwest

I think you're dreaming but pray you're right.

Here is a great Howie Carr article on Barney and the mess.
[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]

281 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:31:57am

re: #260 karmic_inquisitor
Gotta find someone in Chicago who knows someone at Sidley Austin (shouldn't be all that hard, it's a BIG lawfirm).
Or contact the Govenor's office.

282 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:32:04am

re: #243 MandyManners

I was born a bit before then. My first media memories are of the footage from Viet Nam.

My only memory of Nam, was my Uncle Mike coming home on crutches. He got shot in the thigh...almost died.

283 DeafDog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:32:12am

re: #240 capitalist piglet

I find this weird:

"It suggests that the Hawaiian-born Christian is, at heart, un-American."

Why put emphasis on his religion and birthplace, when it has nothing to do with the (made up) story?

Is this more pre-emptive striking, like the Ayers thing? Do they sense something coming, or know about it? I just have to wonder if the Clintons are cooking up something right now.

Regarding the emphasis on Hawaii -

There is a side issue out there about Obamba's birth certificate. Someone has a lawsuit saying that Obmba has never provided it. The Obamba campaign was fighting the issue (who knows why) in court. On Friday, the court said that the campaign needs to produce it. It sounds like a silly argument/debate to me. Once Obamba provides his birtch certificate, he can site this as another base-less attack.

The questions on Obamba 'religion' and whether anyone could possible consider a racist church as 'christian' is another controversy.

So, yes, it is more pre-emptive striking.

284 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:32:42am

re: #277 debutaunt

Noonan, Krauthammer and Liz Trotta

I thought Noonan had changed her mind. No, I'm not confusing her with Kathleen Parker.

285 DeafDog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:33:03am

Fox just said Gallup shows the campaign at 50-43....not looking good.

McCain has his work cut out for him on Tuesday.

286 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:33:05am

Showing BO pals around with overprivileged white yippie terrorists
RACIST!

287 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:33:47am

re: #235 J.S.
Hey there, my #135 above was reposted as my comment to you on the prior thread!

288 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:34:00am

re: #282 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

My only memory of Nam, was my Uncle Mike coming home on crutches. He got shot in the thigh...almost died.

My cousin's husband came back utterly whacked out of his mind. He was developing paranoid-schizophrenia to start with, and he got a butt-load of PTSD over there.

289 Desert Dog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:34:05am

re: #271 zombie

Hey Zombie, lay off, Bill is just a guy in Barack's neighborhood. You know, a guy that hangs around. Just a regular guy, a teacher.....nothing to see here, stop looking over here, please go away now.....you are a RACIST if you continue to mention this...a RACIST! ahhhhh aahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

/

290 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:34:51am

BARACK OBAMA

"I was only 8 when Ayres set off those bombs"

HEY ,,, BARRY ,, I was only 16 when Charles Manson's family committed those Helter Skelter massacres. Does that mean it would be okay for me today to sit with Manson on a board ?!?!?!

lefty logic in full bloom

291 DoubleU  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:34:59am

re: #222 NoSubmission

Oh-my-gawd.

292 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:35:22am

re: #290 sattv4u2
Yep - great example, too!

293 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:35:46am

Gotta' go sling some hash. bbialw.

294 Griffon  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:36:39am

OT

My husband was out of town this weekend and ended up arguing with a moonbat from the Twin Cities. This guy claims that our government is making our soldiers in Iraq pay the government back for rifles they lost while on duty. This may be true or not, I don't know, but this lunatic went on to say that John McCain ought to have to repay our government for the plane he lost in Viet Nam!

He is waiting for the October surprise against McCain because he thinks the Obama campaign is going to swiftboat him. When my husband asked how they could do that, the goofball said that at least Kerry had medals and stuff. My husband and other McCain supporters pointed out that Kerry nominated himself for the medals and it was for a wound that needed a band-aid. He refused to believe it and would only say that my husband and friends weren't there so how could they know that.

My nephew-in-law is a Lt. Colonel in the Air Force and I know for a fact that service members nominate themselves for medals they do not merit. They get caught at it all the time.

/You know, sometimes I think Obama ought to win so the moderates in this country can find out just how bad he really is. He's a wolf in sheep's clothing. The left wing nut jobs will think he is just peachy keen, but the people who have been sucked in by his rhetoric, empty promises, and because they are tired of Bush, will be bitterly disappointed when they find out what his agenda really is.

295 Duane  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:36:40am

why McCain hasn't made an issue of Obama collecting more political contributions from Freddie Mac/Fannie Mae than all but Chris Dodd in the last 20 years - even though he has only served 4 years - is beyond me.

296 zombie  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:36:47am

re: #290 sattv4u2

BARACK OBAMA

"I was only 8 when Ayres set off those bombs"

HEY ,,, BARRY ,, I was only 16 when Charles Manson's family committed those Helter Skelter massacres. Does that mean it would be okay for me today to sit with Manson on a board ?!?!?!

lefty logic in full bloom

"I was only 43 years old when I sat in the front pew listening to Rev. Wright. You can't hold me responsible for the things he said!"

297 Wishing  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:37:02am

re: #239 WriterMom

Wow, check this out:

NOW: America, this is what a feminist looks like.

WOWOWOW! When the DEMS (NOW no less!) can cross over and pull that lever for McCain/Palin, WE ARE ON THE ROAD TO VICTORY!

298 gman  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:37:05am

re: #285 DeafDog

Fox just said Gallup shows the campaign at 50-43....not looking good.

McCain has his work cut out for him on Tuesday.

Historically, Gallup has been one of the most inaccurate polls.

299 arethusa  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:37:16am

re: #285 DeafDog

Fox just said Gallup shows the campaign at 50-43....not looking good.

McCain has his work cut out for him on Tuesday.

But it was worse yesterday: McCain gained a point. Not that I think that's earthshaking, but I can hope it's the start of a trend...

300 doppelganglander  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:37:41am

re: #198 lawhawk

So, how exactly is the Obama campaign going to spin this as racist?

The RNC is filing charges with the FEC over the Obama campaign taking campaign contributions from foreign nationals and excessive contributions over the federal limits.

That's fantastic! That's an issue McCain can get his teeth into. Everyone hates a cheater.

301 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:37:54am

re: #275 realwest

Yep - goal is get the money, explain it later (or not at all if Obama wins).

What happens if he doesn't win? Does he have to return the money? Is this criminal or civil violations of the law?

302 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:38:13am

re: #295 Duane
Wait for Tuesday's debate - it's on the economy and if McCain gets his ass in gear he's gonna fry Obama and the Dems.

303 Perplexed  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:38:35am

Over playing the racist card is much like crying wolf. It loses the sting it once had and will, if allowed to play out, become a rather mild come back.

304 Wishing  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:38:43am

re: #248 MandyManners

Are the trees in full color now?

Nah, too early yet, heck the temp will hit 80 today. Maybe 2-3 weeks or so

305 CapeCoddah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:38:48am

re: #256 lawhawk

Trust me Lawhawk, when all those liberal trust fund beautiful people in Barney's district realize that he is involved up to his eyeballs, they will not like it. Not when it cost them directly, big time over the last 2 weeks. They are generous with OPM, They are not a generous sort when it comes to their own money, and, when it costs them directly, they get cranky. The press is all over him here for it, and I really think he will be forced to step dodd, also. The whole country is pissed at these two, especially, and I don't think either will be there much longer. It's is the whole Nation angry this time, there is no where for them to hide.

306 J.S.  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:38:50am

re: #257 MandyManners

BTW (this might be somewhat off topic), but I've heard over and over again (from people who don't want to see Obama elected) that Obama was never gainfully employed (that is, Obama never really held a paying job outside of academe, etc.)...I'm starting to think that that is a terrible tactical mistake..since it leaves allows Obama an "out" (so, people just skip over these years without investigating or asking questions)...I think it's probably better to underline the kinds of "jobs" Obama did have and the sort of "work" he was doing (as opposed to saying, "He never held gainful employment.")

307 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:39:02am

re: #266 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Why?

You mentioned the 'P' word.

308 arethusa  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:39:25am

re: #302 realwest

Wait for Tuesday's debate - it's on the economy and if McCain gets his ass in gear he's gonna fry Obama and the Dems.

I thought the last debate was on the economy, and that Tuesday's was a town-hall meeting type thing with audience members asking questions?

Oh, wait, the first debate was on the economy too.

309 NoSubmission  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:39:42am

re: #296 zombie

"I was only 43 years old when I sat by the time I had been sitting for 20 years in the front pew listening to Rev. Wright. You can't hold me responsible for the things he said!"


There. Fixed that for ya.

310 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:39:57am

re: #296 zombie
ROTFLAMO! "And I sat in that pew for 20 years too, so what - doesn't mean I agreed with Rev. Wright. Nor does the fact that he married WAB Michelle and I nor the fact that he baptized each of our kids."

311 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:39:58am

re: #296 zombie

"I was only 43 years old when I sat in the front pew listening to Rev. Wright. You can't hold me responsible for the things he said!"

what amazes me is how the left can disconect the two events.

1) Obama was only 8 when Ayers set off bombs

2) Obama and Ayers were on the same board

It's like they beleive it was a DIFFERENT Obama and a DIFFERENT Ayers they're talking about!

312 BBev  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:40:03am

re: #227 CapeCoddah

Good afternoon everyone, Lawhawk, People are pretty mad at Barney here in Moonbat HQ. I hope enough of them are angry in his own district to get rid of him. It just ight happen.

Well Howie Carr has been on top of this. WRKO

313 Archimedes  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:40:07am

re: #2 nigella

Just can't believe what I am seeing and reading from the MSM! Has the whole country gone nuts?

Right, they are propagandists now.

It’s the leftist technique of smearing the messenger and "racism" is probably the most incendiary charge they can make against another person. Certainly there is no basis in reality for the charge, but that's not important. What is important is working to taint Sarah and bring her into the mud with Obama and them. They need that.

I've also noted that the more on target the messenger, the more emotionally un-tethered a leftist becomes. The truth is out of style. The facts don't matter.

My advice to Sarah, do it with more focus. The more they protest, the more she should do it.

314 yma o hyd  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:40:11am

re: #198 lawhawk

So, how exactly is the Obama campaign going to spin this as racist?

The RNC is filing charges with the FEC over the Obama campaign taking campaign contributions from foreign nationals and excessive contributions over the federal limits.

About effing time, too!

315 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:40:11am

re: #285 DeafDog

Fox just said Gallup shows the campaign at 50-43....not looking good.


McCain has his work cut out for him on Tuesday.

I don't understand why a man who sacrificed his youth & freedom to try to stop Vietnam from being ruled by Communists & not fighting to stop his own country from the same fate.

316 nigella  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:40:52am

The Ap headline now reads "Palin attack may backfire on McCain campaign."Sorry I can't link. Calls it a racist attack. Gee, I didn't see that coming...........sarc/off

317 jorline  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:41:13am

re: #302 realwest

Wait for Tuesday's debate - it's on the economy and if McCain gets his ass in gear he's gonna fry Obama and the Dems.

I agree, RW. McCain needs to pull out all the stops and rip "O" and the Dems a new one. Time is running short, McCain needs to put aside the PC crap.

318 CapeCoddah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:41:18am

re: #312 BBev

Well Howie Carr has been on top of this. WRKO


We never miss Howie's show.

319 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:41:33am

re: #308 arethusa
Nope first debate was supposed to be on Foreign Affairs (McCain's strongpoint) but Leher decided that the financial crisis called for a discussion of it for the first third of the debate. Tuesday is scheduled for the economy.

320 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:41:34am

re: #291 DoubleU

If it were painted on black velvet, I'd so buy it.

321 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:41:40am

re: #288 MandyManners

My cousin's husband came back utterly whacked out of his mind. He was developing paranoid-schizophrenia to start with, and he got a butt-load of PTSD over there.

Damn....sorry to hear that. PTSD sucks ( i had it after I tried to save someone who had a heart attack after being pinned to a wall by a member of ACORN...long story) and topped with a mental illness, Wow.

My BF was in the Corps for 22 years... planned sorties etc....my BIL was ground troops (Marine Reserves 3/23!) and came back with tales of men surrendering with dress shoes on...he had nighmares for the longest time. I'm convinced that there are things he never told us regarding what he saw and did. He did say that he thought Hussein was such a bastard and felt sorry for the men he took prisoner...he said they were so frightened. They were just men who were conscripted on the pain of death. He couldn't get over how they thanked him and his men for capturing them.

I rewatched the VP dabate and I wish that Sarah would have rebutted the genocide argument Biden made with something along the lines of Sadam Hussein was committing genocide on a daily basis with his shredders and the gassing of the Kurds. I wish she would have countered with that.

322 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:41:42am

OT: The commentator audio feed on CBS for the Charger/Dolphin game is out. All that I can hear is the game sounds. This is kind of nice.

323 NoSubmission  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:42:17am

re: #320 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

If it were painted on black velvet, I'd so buy it.


RAcist!
/

324 DeafDog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:42:25am

re: #298 gman

re: #299 arethusa

All sorts of reasons to keep hope alive. But I'm nervous.

325 arethusa  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:42:31am

re: #308 arethusa

I thought the last debate was on the economy, and that Tuesday's was a town-hall meeting type thing with audience members asking questions?

Oh, wait, the first debate was on the economy too.

Yes, Tuesday's debate is not necessarily on the economy. From the debate commission:
“The first presidential debate will focus on foreign policy and national security; the third presidential debate will focus on domestic and economic policy. The second presidential (town meeting format) debate will include any issues raised by members of that audience and online, and the vice presidential debate will include foreign and domestic policy.”

Note online. Can anyone submit questions? If so, Lizards very definitely should come with a list and submit them over and over until they're asked.

326 CapeCoddah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:42:40am

re: #322 CyanSnowHawk

re: #322 CyanSnowHawk

We should petition c-span to carry the games!

327 Steffan  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:42:43am

re: #163 DoubleU

Yes, but what about the beginning of communist controlled Russia?

Lenin had the NYT in the tank for him for decades. Pravda never had to even pretend.

Under Stalin, especially, complaining was a very risky thing to do. Good thing they never had to import vodka.

328 capitalist piglet  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:42:48am

Did you guys see the video on HotAir this morning, about the woman (Samantha Power?) who had been advising him on foreign policy? Scary woman.

Of course, she was dismissed from the campaign 'cause she crossed a line, by calling HRC a "monster". Her comments on Israel apparently enhanced her resume with Obama, because she made her position clear a long time ago. She also implied (on a link someone there posted) that she expects to come back into Obama's fold when he takes office.

Let's just say she doesn't seem to like "the Jooooooooos" very much.

I was afraid of Al Gore and John Kerry, but it was because of their incompetence. Barack Obama is another story entirely.

329 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:43:25am

It's no use hoping for any kind of change from the television or print media. The simple fact is that conservatives and others who oppose socialism and radicalism are going to have to build their own media outlets.

330 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:43:30am

re: #307 CyanSnowHawk

You mentioned the 'P' word.


Ooops...sorry! :)

331 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:43:53am

What is 0bama's phrase

"Typical white person"

but racist?

I solemnly curse AP.

332 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:44:00am

re: #315 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I don't understand why a man who sacrificed his youth & freedom to try to stop Vietnam from being ruled by Communists & not fighting to stop his own country from the same fate.

It comes down to either becoming a leader, or remaining a consensus builder. John's ultimate decision, and time is not on his side.

333 We need G.C. Scott  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:44:11am

Given the current political climate, any view out of lockstep or heaven forbid a view which is the product of an INDIVIDUALS research, or real-life experience as opposed to a honey coated indoctrinated elixir poured in one's ear, is immediately decried as "racist" regardless of the "race" of the parties involved even if they are of the same racial or ethnic group. It's become the new cure all catch phrase and will ultimately lead to ramifications (including further cultural and economic polarization) the likes of which it's practitioners have yet to fathom. Naturally, such people are unaware or could care less about the direct slight, resulting from use of such tactics, toward those who have felt the sting of true racism.

334 gman  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:44:13am

re: #324 DeafDog

re: #299 arethusa

All sorts of reasons to keep hope alive. But I'm nervous.

Believe me, I'm stressed out too. There's so much at stake.

335 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:44:13am

re: #317 jorline
And McCain needs to get OVER this whole Bi-partisanship crap; the Dems don't want bi-partisanship, they: [Link: www.imeem.com...]

336 BBev  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:44:29am

re: #318 CapeCoddah

We never miss Howie's show.

I call WRKO all the time.

337 ensignsj  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:45:01am

What do you think the Al-sociated Press's reaction would be if it came out that John McCain had a similar association with Timothy McVeigh? The funny thing is, this is not helping Obama. It's giving more coverage (which the MSM won't do) to the facts. Then to claim that it's racist is only going to piss people off even more. And how much could this guy possibly miss the point? It has nothing to do with whether or not they played pool together. It's the fact that these are the types of people he finds himself close to. It's Reverend Wright all over again. There is guilt by association in politics.

338 CapeCoddah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:45:04am

re: #336 BBev

I have called Howie's show a time or two.

339 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:45:22am

should go to Borders and put Faith of Our Fathers on the shelf next to Dreams from My Father

340 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:45:50am

re: #334 gman

Portae Inferi Non Praevalebunt.

341 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:45:52am

re: #315 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I don't understand why a man who sacrificed his youth & freedom to try to stop Vietnam from being ruled by Communists & not fighting to stop his own country from the same fate.

Maybe the Vietcong castrated him?

Really, I wish he'd get some balls and take it to BO. BO is a paper tiger and all Mac has to do is eschew the whole politeness thing and tear away....I mean....does he want to be President or what?

342 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:45:58am

re: #322 CyanSnowHawk

OT: The commentator audio feed on CBS for the Charger/Dolphin game is out. All that I can hear is the game sounds. This is kind of nice.

Welcome to my world. At work, we take NFL 5 games pre Sunday direct from the truck on site at the staduim and send them via satellite to Europe where they add their own announcers. All I get is the natural sound from the stadiums

343 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:46:26am

re: #339 spidly

should go to Borders and put Faith of Our Fathers on the shelf next to Dreams from My Father

I'd take Faith over Dreams any time.

344 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:46:52am

re: #338 CapeCoddah

re: #336 BBev

One of the things I miss most since moving from Boston is Howie Carr

345 J.S.  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:46:59am

re: #287 realwest

Hi, realwest! (I sometimes find it difficult to keep up with all the posts)...I did a re-check for the lawyer's name (the one who recruited Michelle into the law firm...) the name of the lawyer is "Quincy White" -- not Charles White.
:(
(dang it...although now I'm wondering if there's any relationship between the two Whites? related at all? brothers? yeah, ok, I'm desperate here...)

346 BBev  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:47:12am

re: #338 CapeCoddah

I have called Howie's show a time or two.

That's to funny.

347 Erik The Red  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:47:24am

Sometimes I wonder if it is not better to say you will not vote for "The One" because you are racist. We can all quote facts and spends hours pointing out why he is not qualified and still be called racist.
Save your breath.

348 BBev  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:47:36am

re: #344 sattv4u2

re: #336 BBev

One of the things I miss most since moving from Boston is Howie Carr

You can listen on line.

349 Omega Man  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:47:42am

The R word is the new N word: it is a meaningless, insulting term that is only used by the ignorant.

350 Attaboid  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:47:54am

Ad hominem alert: Who spells Douglass with 2 ss'? His Mama.

351 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:47:59am

re: #348 BBev

You can listen on line.

hard to do at work

352 Spiny Norman  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:48:10am

re: #274 richiep

BO is un-American. There is no question or doubt IMO. The MSM has not been balanced since Cronkite [sp] declared defeat in Viet Nam.

One of my earliest "media memories" was of my father (still in the Navy at that point) said about Cronkite's reporting of the Tet Offensive: "Gaddamnit, he wants us to lose".

353 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:48:42am

re: #348 BBev

re: #351 sattv4u2

hard to do at work

I'm not self employed anymore, like I was in Boston

354 jorline  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:48:57am

Jack's back...two hour premier of "21" on November 23rd.

To what degree will FOX make Jack palatable to the left?

355 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:49:07am

re: #313 Archimedes
As I've said before, many times, McCain's secret weapon is Obama himself. When he gets out front as he apparently is now, he gets so full of himself that he steps all over himself - and will, on Tuesday if McCain pushes the right buttons, gaffe himself to death.

356 arethusa  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:49:33am
357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:49:46am
Whether intended or not by the McCain campaign, portraying Obama as “not like us” is another potential appeal to racism. It suggests that the Hawaiian-born Christian is, at heart, un-American.

I would like to suggest that the Hawaiian-born Christian, is at heart, un-American. If that makes me racist too, so be it.

358 solomonpanting  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:49:47am
The larger purpose behind Palin's broadside is to reintroduce the question of Obama's associations. Millions of voters, many of them open to being swayed to one side or the other, are starting to pay attention to an election a month away.
For the McCain campaign, that makes Obama's ties to Ayers as well as convicted felon Antoin "Tony" Rezko and the controversial minister Jeremiah Wright ripe for renewed criticism.

Let's see here. Certainly McCain has similiar "acquaintances".

359 doriangrey  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:49:48am

re: #354 jorline

Jack's back...two hour premier of "21" on November 23rd.

To what degree will FOX make Jack palatable to the left?

Whats 21? You dont by any chance mean 24 do you?

360 BBev  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:50:11am

re: #351 sattv4u2

hard to do at work


It is for me seeing as I control a construction site but if you are in an office it is easy with a head set.

361 Archimedes  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:50:14am

re: #48 Intrepid

Barack Obama the post-racial candidate has become the most-racial candidate.

Excellent! :D


With the direct assistance of the MSM he has set back race relations in this country by probably 30-40 years.

It's postmodernism (multiculturalism/environmentalism). I don't like to beat a dead horse, but this ideology has been pushed for decades now in universities and today it's bigger than ever. These are the fruits of their efforts.

The msm is postmodernist and they are very corrupt because of it. It's the philosophy of our times.

362 Spiny Norman  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:50:30am

re: #325 arethusa

Note online. Can anyone submit questions? If so, Lizards very definitely should come with a list and submit them over and over until they're asked.

We can try, but if history is any guide, only Kos Kidz' and Paint Huffers' submissions will be seriously considered.

363 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:50:38am

re: #359 doriangrey

Whats 21? You dont by any chance mean 24 do you?

they shortened the day ,,, budget cuts, ya know

364 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:50:45am

re: #345 J.S.
Crap! But it could be that Quincy is Charles brother - if Quincy was a PARTNER in real estate at a MAJOR PLAYER LAW FIRM in Chicago, then having a brother do what Charles White did would not be unusual at all.

365 jorline  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:51:14am

re: #335 realwest

And McCain needs to get OVER this whole Bi-partisanship crap; the Dems don't want bi-partisanship, they: [Link: www.imeem.com...]

I want to see the fire and brimstone McCain.

366 DeafDog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:51:16am

re: #335 realwest

And McCain needs to get OVER this whole Bi-partisanship crap; the Dems don't want bi-partisanship, they: [Link: www.imeem.com...]

I disagree. I think the bi-partisan shtick sells to independents.

Mind you, I also believe that McCain/Feingold, McCain/Lieberman, the Immigration bill and Mac's opposition to the Bush tax cuts were all dumb-dumb policies, but 'reaching across the aisle' means something if you are a moderate voter.

McCain can point to a history of bi-partisanship. The dickhead Obamba cannot.

During the election season keeping up the bi-partison talk is good.

367 doriangrey  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:51:19am

re: #361 Archimedes

It's postmodernism (multiculturalism/environmentalism). I don't like to beat a dead horse, but this ideology has been pushed for decades now in universities and today it's bigger than ever. These are the fruits of their efforts.

The msm is postmodernist and they are very corrupt because of it. It's the philosophy of our times.


It's the philosophy corruption of our times....

368 LizardoidCaptain  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:51:22am

Change & Hope

I like the bridges that have been built between the feminists and the gay and the environmental movements. All the progeny of the Sixties.


Bernadine Dohrn, Weather Underground

I would say for the young: Don’t be straight jacketed by ideology. Don’t be driven by a structure of ideas.


Bill Ayers, Weather Underground

Change is coming!

369 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:51:27am

re: #352 Spiny Norman

One
of my earliest "media memories" was of my father (still in the Navy at
that point) said about Cronkite's reporting of the Tet Offensive:
"Gaddamnit, he wants us to lose".

One of the biggest eye-openers of my life was learning that, after having been taught that Tet was a big victory for the VC, it was in fact their biggest tactical loss. I've never looked at my teachers or the media the same way again.

370 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:51:39am

re: #337 ensignsj

What do you think the Al-sociated Press's reaction would be if it came out that John McCain had a similar association with Timothy McVeigh? The funny thing is, this is not helping Obama. It's giving more coverage (which the MSM won't do) to the facts. Then to claim that it's racist is only going to piss people off even more. And how much could this guy possibly miss the point? It has nothing to do with whether or not they played pool together. It's the fact that these are the types of people he finds himself close to. It's Reverend Wright all over again. There is guilt by association in politics.

That's a great point.

371 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:51:41am

re: #355 realwest

As I've said before, many times, McCain's secret weapon is Obama himself. When he gets out front as he apparently is now, he gets so full of himself that he steps all over himself - and will, on Tuesday if McCain pushes the right buttons, gaffe himself to death.

the double secret weapon is the Clintons. If McCain can't put it away like he should, one of them will probably just apply a lead pipe to BO's knee

372 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:52:05am

re: #365 jorline

I want to see the fire and brimstone McCain.

The "stand up and fight with me!" McCain?

373 DeliLama  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:52:05am

Ha ha ha, free speech trampled in Florida

As I wrote:

The only thing funnier than stifling the free speech of someone you don't agree with by stealing their property repeatedly is to see that person stubbornly believing in their Constitutional rights.


That was meant to be sarcastic.

374 BBev  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:52:07am

re: #355 realwest

As I've said before, many times, McCain's secret weapon is Obama himself. When he gets out front as he apparently is now, he gets so full of himself that he steps all over himself - and will, on Tuesday if McCain pushes the right buttons, gaffe himself to death.

I agree Obama is being corralled into the funnel for slaughter and he does not even know it.

375 right_on_target  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:52:12am

re: #201 lawhawk

Well, Cold Cash Jefferson looks like he's not going to have any problem getting reelected, so why should Frank worry?

_______________________
Don't think so. Jefferson got just 25% and he'll keep those plus a few percent more in the general election.

Jeffersonl vs Mareno

376 Syrah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:52:13am

re: #43 zombie

PARTY AT ZOMBIE'S!"

/BYOB? Bring Your Own Brains? Or will this be an "Open crowBar" event?

Couldn't resist the funning with punning.

377 Archimedes  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:52:13am

re: #355 realwest

As I've said before, many times, McCain's secret weapon is Obama himself. When he gets out front as he apparently is now, he gets so full of himself that he steps all over himself - and will, on Tuesday if McCain pushes the right buttons, gaffe himself to death.

I hope you're right about that!

378 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:52:50am

re: #354 jorline

Jack's back...two hour premier of "21" on November 23rd.

To what degree will FOX make Jack palatable to the left?

Wow, everybody is cutting back. It used to be "24".

379 Archimedes  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:52:58am

re: #367 doriangrey

It's the philosophy corruption of our times....

Corrupt philosophy. Yeah.

380 arethusa  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:53:05am
381 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:53:27am

re: #378 CyanSnowHawk

Wow, everybody is cutting back. It used to be "24".

That must be part of how they're making the show "green."

/

382 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:53:29am

re: #356 arethusa

/OK, this is the tipping point for me: Michelle Obama was involved in the success of Barney the Purple Dinosaur.

"I hate you, you hate me,
It's the Obama Presidency."

383 jorline  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:53:36am

re: #354 jorline

Jack's back...two hour premier of "21" on November 23rd.

To what degree will FOX make Jack palatable to the left?

PIMF..."24"

/thinking of Vegas...lol

384 realwest  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:53:59am

Well it's been grand y'all but I gotta go eat some lunch now - I hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

385 MurphyB  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:54:28am

Why all the surprise and outrage. The "tilt" of the MSM has been gaining momentum for quite some time. What comes next? An "Oh my god, what have I done" realization, or the establishment of a Praetorian Guards class.

386 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:54:36am

re: #356 arethusa

/OK, this is the tipping point for me: Michelle Obama was involved in the success of Barney the Purple Dinosaur.

That could cause the sort of comments that would get one banned.

387 jorline  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:54:38am

re: #372 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The "stand up and fight with me!" McCain?

Amen, FVB

388 Spiny Norman  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:54:47am

re: #369 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

One of the biggest eye-openers of my life was learning that, after having been taught that Tet was a big victory for the VC, it was in fact their biggest tactical loss. I've never looked at my teachers or the media the same way again.

More than just a "tactical loss", the Viet Cong ceased to exist as a viable fighting force after Tet... which may have been part the NVA's purpose in the first place.

389 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:54:54am

re: #380 arethusa

Beyond the pale.

390 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:55:13am

re: #363 sattv4u2

they shortened the day ,,, budget cuts, ya know

That explains global warming! The Earth is getting closer to the sun!

391 solomonpanting  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:55:38am

re: #376 Syrah

/BYOB? Bring Your Own Brains? Or will this be an "Open crowBar" event?

Bring Your Own Bomb

(This is Ayers Place)

392 Thanos  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:55:57am

Zombie: I blatantly stole your comment on WUO since it's important, and turned it into a post. It's linked up top.

393 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:55:59am

re: #383 jorline

PIMF..."24"

/thinking of Vegas...lol

An season in Vegas would be pretty cool. Enough of LA, already.

394 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:56:21am

re: #387 jorline

Amen, FVB

During the acceptance speech, at that part; I stood up in my living room and applauded.

Can't remember a time I've done anything like that.

That's the John McCain we need at the debates.

395 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:57:35am

While we're talking about TV, new episode of The Unit tonight. Last week's was awesome!

396 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:58:02am

re: #394 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

During the acceptance speech, at that part; I stood up in my living room and applauded.

Can't remember a time I've done anything like that.

That's the John McCain we need at the debates.

Yes, indeed, that is the McCain we need to see at the debates. I hope perhaps Sarah's success will spur him on to show a little fight.

397 doriangrey  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:58:02am

re: #43 zombie

! PARTY AT ZOMBIE'S!"

Piff...........Evil NorCal Lizards having parties.... Why cant the good SoCal lizards have parties?

398 Syrah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:58:10am

re: #385 MurphyB

Why all the surprise and outrage. The "tilt" of the MSM has been gaining momentum for quite some time. What comes next? An "Oh my god, what have I done" realization, or the establishment of a Praetorian Guards class.

All hail Caesar! And someone go take care of that MurphyB guy.

The left is incapable of doing wrong. They judge themselves on their intentions, not on the results the actions they take to make their intentions real.

399 gman  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:58:24am

re: #368 LizardoidCaptain

Change & Hope


Bill Ayers, Weather Underground

Change is coming!

Obama's gonna bring us more "Rope and Chains"
Blind us and bind us with his "Rope and Chains"

400 stevieray  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:58:42am

The thing the MSM won't face is that if Obama loses in November, it will be mainly due to the MSM. They have refused to delve into Barack's past, his voting record, or his beliefs -- necessary info for voters to know -- and that makes any claim about Obama more damaging, not less. He doesn't have a long and well established history to point to as a way to counter the questions, and the MSM is only feeding the lingering doubts with their happy-talk, powder-puff "ain't he a dreamboat" coverage.

Who is Obama?
What does he believe in his heart?
Where does he think America should be in four years?

None of these can be answered in election driven speeches, they can only be answered by a lifetime of actions and stands. Nothing since Obama began his run gives us anything to answer these question. It is all just words.

[and now I have to go to a birthday party -- see y'all later!]

401 jorline  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:58:43am

re: #393 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

An season in Vegas would be pretty cool. Enough of LA, already.

Most I can handle is three days of Vegas at a time...major burnout.

402 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:58:44am

re: #395 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

While we're talking about TV, new episode of The Unit tonight. Last week's was awesome!

I thought that was the name of an X-Rated movie!

(don't EVEN ask me how I know that!)

403 lawhawk  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:59:03am

re: #375 right_on_target

According to NOLA.com, Jefferson has all but secured the win:

Despite the dual impediments of an upcoming federal trial on public corruption charges and a slew of well-financed opponents, U.S. Rep. William Jefferson ran first in Saturday's Democratic Party primary for the 2nd Congressional District seat that he has held for 18 years.

He will battle former TV news anchor and first-time candidate Helena Moreno of New Orleans in the Nov. 4 contest. With two-thirds of the district's voters registered as Democrats, the winner of the party runoff is almost certain to claim the congressional seat.

404 doppelganglander  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:59:19am

re: #340 Ojoe

Portae Inferi Non Praevalebunt.

I looked this up so the rest of you wouldn't have to. It means "The gates of hell will not prevail against you." The full quote, from Matthew 16, KJV:

15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

405 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 10:59:29am

re: #401 jorline

Most I can handle is three days of Vegas at a time...major burnout.

Not to mention, major broke, too, probably after 3 days in Vegas?

How ya doin', Jorline?

406 Syrah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:00:22am

re: #391 solomonpanting

I think I would rather party at Zombies place than Ayres'.

407 Oldasdirt  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:00:28am

This is what the kids in the middle east think Obama is gonna do.

408 jorline  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:00:41am

re: #378 CyanSnowHawk

Wow, everybody is cutting back. It used to be "24".

I rented the movie "21" and was talking to my wife about the movie when I saw the commercial for "24".

Waiting for my meds to kick in today...lol

409 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:02:33am

re: #403 lawhawk

According to NOLA.com, Jefferson has all but secured the win:

I think the New Orleanians view him as an admirable person of power who can get things done. With that group of folks, his public corruption problems are icing on the cake, just showing how well he can maneuver and manipulate, and to many folks in NO, that's not a bad thing.

My mom grew up in New Orleans (a very different NO), and I was born there. I've come to really, truly hate the place.

410 doppelganglander  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:02:39am