Imagine that...

But he was only eight years old...

I would have never have guessed

Wonder what the pick criteria was.

Can anyone delineate for me what the substantiative differences between Timothy McVeigh and William Ayers are? The magnitude of McVeigh's crimes are much larger, true, but that's only because Ayers didn't have the means the create the chaos that McVeigh did. From what I've read, it seems that he had the desire.

And, why is Ayers reallowed into polite company? Shouldn't he be treated with the same contempt that McVeigh is?

But he was only 8......

re: #2 Cartman

GMTA!

Our new president has a friend who blew some stuff up.

re: #7 Sharmuta

LOL

re: #8 Killgore Trout

He hasn't won, so please stop.

It's like learning to read Pravda.

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Our new president has a friend who blew some stuff up.

Nonfatal bombings, according to AP.

Barack had a very close relationship with Bill Ayers. Bill Ayers gave Barack his first fund raiser in his home. Why would he do that if they were not close or does he just give fund raisers for any stranger who asks. And, if Barack didn't know exactly who Bill Ayers was he is too stupid to be elected to anything let alone the Presidency

re: #10 Sharmuta

Anything can happen but for right now it looks like a solid Obama victory.

re: #6 Sharmuta

Spread the meme.

re: #12 spirochete

Nonfatal bombings, according to AP.

Those are the best kind.

The Annenburg Foundation was created to improve school performance of elementary age students.

Here's the shocking outcome:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

The project appears to have failed to achieve any of its stated, measurable educational goals. For example, a comprehensive study by the Consortium on Chicago School Research concludes:

"Results suggest that among the schools it supported, the Challenge had little impact on school improvement and student outcomes, with no statistically significant differences between Annenberg and non-Annenberg schools in rates of achievement gain, classroom behavior, student self-efficacy, and social competence."[5]

The CAC managed to build a successor organization, the Chicago Public Education Fund, with a focus upon principal and teacher leadership. The Fund has supported such programs as Teach for America, Golden Apple Teacher Education program (GATE), and New Leaders for New Schools.

/I like a good rabbit hole.

re: #12 spirochete

Nonfatal bombings, according to AP.

Didn't one of Ayer's girlfriends die from a mishap with a bomb she and others were building, a bomb that Ayers designed?

re: #5 Noah's Arrrgh

Can anyone delineate for me what the substantiative differences between Timothy McVeigh and William Ayers are? The magnitude of McVeigh's crimes are much larger, true, but that's only because Ayers didn't have the means the create the chaos that McVeigh did. From what I've read, it seems that he had the desire.

And, why is Ayers reallowed into polite company? Shouldn't he be treated with the same contempt that McVeigh is?

How would you compare William Ayers and Ted Kaczynski?

re: #18 Noah's Arrrgh

Didn't one of Ayer's girlfriends die from a mishap with a bomb she and others were building, a bomb that Ayers designed?

No idea. There was one paragraph in that story with about 5 different insanisms. Still can't believe it.

re: #19 stuiec

How would you compare William Ayers and Ted Kaczynski?

Ayers, Kaczynski, and McVeigh. Three peas in a pod.

Soros: "This Ayers guy's gotta go."

Obama: "Under the bus?"

Soros: "I'll take care of it."

Obama: "Careful, Grampa. He blows shit up!"

Soros: "Not to worry, son. Not to worry..."

For some reason this was playing in the Atlanta airport the other day.....
Flashlight

Myself and a couple 8 year olds were the only ones dancing.
/Go figure

They will destroy themselves trying to whitewash Bill Ayers on Obama's behalf. The man is scum with a capital S.C.U.M.

KT:
What's up w/your Eeyore-like attitude, lately?
Are you trying to emulate EIDE_INTERFACE?
Chill out a bit, dude.
The situation is (ahem) evolving.

only Ayers could approve of the appointment of Obama. No one else possessed the legal power to do so.

Gee- why would the nyt want to keep this information from us? Hmmm- let me think....

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Our new president has a friend who blew some stuff up.

It ain't over yet, Killgore. A month still to go, and it can flip easily.

/tired of nay-sayers and eeyores!

re: #18 Noah's Arrrgh

Didn't one of Ayer's girlfriends die from a mishap with a bomb she and others were building, a bomb that Ayers designed?

Mishap, work accident... it was a nail bomb meant for a dance at an Army base. Note that nail bombs are anti-personnel bombs designed to hurl shrapnel through humans, not simply to blow things up.

re: #21 Noah's Arrrgh

Ayers, Kaczynski, and McVeigh. Three peas in a pod.

Not at all. Kaczynski was a loner. McVeigh nearly one. Ayers was a cult leader. In fact, he still is.

re: #14 Killgore Trout

Anything can happen but for right now it looks like a solid Obama victory.

To the best of my understanding the polls reflect an assumption that fewer Republicans will bother to vote at all. This will surely happen if they despair. So please don't do that.

re: #17 RTLM

I wonder if my son's middle school in Chicago was a recipient of funding from this program. Perhaps I should dig a little bit to find out?
And even if it wasn't, the damn Chicago Public Schools is one reason why my son's life hasn't turned out so well for him.

re: #25 least

I'm at one with reality and I'm accepting the reality presented to me. See #23 and dance with me!

re: #21 Noah's Arrrgh

Ayers, Kaczynski, and McVeigh. Three peas in a pod.

I wouldn't do that. Such hyperbole dilutes the truth.

Hey Killgore! Feeling jet laaagggged?

re: #21 Noah's Arrrgh

Yep. All of them believing that the system had to be destroyed to be rebuilt in a correct fashion.

It's the same sort of 'love of America' that drives Obama's commitment to 'change': save America by changing everything about it that doesn't conform to the Ayers-Dohrn-Obama vision of utopian America.

re: #29 Irene NYC

Not at all. Kaczynski was a loner. McVeigh nearly one. Ayers was a cult leader. In fact, he still is.

I see your point, but realize that Ayers a cult leader only because of the Leftist chic that is afforded him (cf. Che Guevara). In a sane world, Ayers would be every bit the outcast as the other two.

re: #32 Killgore Trout

I'm at one with reality and I'm accepting the reality presented to me. See #23 and dance with me!

Come on, Kilgore. The reality presented to us is that we're in the middle of a presidential election. Last time around, if I'm not mistaken, just at this time, the polls were also predicting a convincing dem win.

Have some faith!

Bill Ayers, Barack Obama and the Cloward-Priven strategy. I was skeptical when I first started reading this piece, but its very well sourced and worth your time. [Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

re: #13 Miss Molly

Barack had a very close relationship with Bill Ayers. Bill Ayers gave Barack his first fund raiser in his home. Why would he do that if they were not close or does he just give fund raisers for any stranger who asks. And, if Barack didn't know exactly who Bill Ayers was he is too stupid to be elected to anything let alone the Presidency

I'm related to someone who gives fundraisers for state-level politicians in his home. I can tell you right now, no one would make the assertion that he is only casually acquainted ("Hi, nice to see you...goodbye.") with these politicians - the idea is absolutely ridiculous. You don't open your home to do that unless you're involved and invested in the person's politics.

It just doesn't pass the smell test. Obama is such a lying punk.

This story's getting legs. That the 0bama camp had to respond to this, while smearing Sarah again, shows MacDaddy's in his OODA loop again.

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Riddle me this...

What do Obama and Osama have in common?

They both have friends who bombed the Pentagon.

re: #36 Noah's Arrrgh

I see your point, but realize that Ayers a cult leader only because of the Leftist chic that is afforded him (cf. Che Guevara). In a sane world, Ayers would be every bit the outcast as the other two.

Kaczynski was not an outcase. He cast himself out. McVeigh felt case out thought, yes.

But who ever said we live in a sane world? Not moi.
;)

re: #32 Killgore Trout

I'm at one with reality and I'm accepting the reality presented to me. See #23 and dance with me!

HELL NO! You can give up if you want, and it's obvious you want to, but I WILL NOT GIVE UP!

It makes you feel better to come to peace with an Obama victory, fine. But for the rest of us who LOVE OUR LIBERTY, WE WILL NOT GIVE UP!

Come November 5th, if Obama is the next president, I'll still have my self-respect because I fought till the end.

But you, Killgore? You'll have given in.

I'm not prepared to do so.

re: #33 Cognito

I wouldn't do that. Such hyperbole dilutes the truth.

How is that hyperbole? If any candidate were "palling around" with Kaczynski, I'd want to know that, too, for the exact same reasons.

(McVeigh, too, except he's dead, and can't confirm or deny.)

re: #40 Sharmuta

This story's getting legs. That the 0bama camp had to respond to this, while smearing Sarah again, shows MacDaddy's in his OODA loop again.

Could someone (you maybe) define OODA. I've seen this used here and I'm missing the meaning. Thanks in advance (I think).

Chocolate City

The sun will still shine shine and the birds will sing when Obama is president.

If anyone should ask the meaning of this,
Behold the lilies of the field and its fresh sweet-scented verdure.

re: #43 Intrepid

LAN ASTASLEM. I Will Not Submit.

re: #37 Irene NYC

Have some faith!

Have you read my posts before?

I think Killgore must have partied with Obama's brother in his hut, whilst in Africa,

re: #45 Walter L. Newton

OODA Loop

re: #44 victor_yugo

How is that hyperbole? If any candidate were "palling around" with Kaczynski, I'd want to know that, too, for the exact same reasons.

(McVeigh, too, except he's dead, and can't confirm or deny.)

Well. Kaczynski and McVeigh were two of the worst murders in American history. Ayers hasn't been convicted for any such thing.

Now maybe that's because he's smarter than them. Or a less able bomber. But the truth is they're simply not the same.

Ayers is just the tip of the iceberg. An indication as to how radical Obama truly is.

Consider his unequivocal support of Raila Odinga...his cousin...who uses rape as a weapon, who has nefarious Arab ties and has his hand in the ongoing violence that has all of Kenya in its barbaric clutches. Inconceivable horror. Gang raping little girls and boys as many as ten times.

Please watch this video and share it with others.

America cannot elect this man to be the president. We cannot allow this to happen.

re: #38 MrPaulRevere

Bill Ayers, Barack Obama and the Cloward-Priven Coward-driven strategy.

Better, and more apropos.

re: #41 Meremortal

Indeed they do but only one will be your president.

Killgore- please keep in mind the polls in 2000 & 2004 showed Bush behind at this same point.

re: #50 Sharmuta

OODA Loop

Ok, thanks. (too late at night to be looking at flowcharts).

re: #45 Walter L. Newton

Could someone (you maybe) define OODA. I've seen this used here and I'm missing the meaning. Thanks in advance (I think).

Observe
Orient
Decide
Act

It's how fighter pilots do their schtick. Check out Bill Whittle's essay on "Forty-second" Boyd.

**sigh**

I can't believe it.

BTW, I heard something about someone giving Ayers and Obama $50 mill or something? What was that for and what was it used for?

re: #45 Walter L. Newton

Could someone (you maybe) define OODA. I've seen this used here and I'm missing the meaning. Thanks in advance (I think).

It's the latest cliche. All the rage. Stands for "Observe, Orient, Decide and Act," a military term.

re: #54 Killgore Trout

Indeed they do but only one will be your president.

*

I don't think so.

re: #46 Killgore Trout
Hey Killgore - if y'all don't mind

The sun will still shine shine and the birds will sing when Obama is president. And our economy will go from a recession to a major league depression and lots of folks will be out of work and will have plenty of time to see the sun shine and listen to the birds sing"

I think that sorta improves it some.

re: #33 Cognito

I wouldn't do that. Such hyperbole dilutes the truth.

My point is this: All three desired to commit mass murder for fanatical political / ideological reasons. All three developed plans to carry the murder out. Two of the three were successful in their plans. There is a difference, I admit, but from a moral perspective, there are a lot of similarities. How different, philosophically speaking, were the Weather Underground and the Red Army Faction?

re: #55 Sharmuta

Killgore- please keep in mind the polls in 2000 & 2004 showed Bush behind at this same point.

Yea, but Bush wasn't missing in action. Most everyone here has been complaining about McCain and his lack of making some hard factual points in his campaign. So, I can see why Killgore would see it the way he sees it. He has more evidence on his side than any other view.

Apology if this has already been posted. Found it today (iirc, at floppingaces.net):

Devastating Video, Obama talks about job Ayers gave him

re: #51 Cognito

Well. Kaczynski and McVeigh were two of the worst murders in American history. Ayers hasn't been convicted for any such thing.

Only on a technicality, and Ayers has stated he "didn't do enough" in so many words. Basically an admission of guilt. In a sane world, Ayers would be behind bars for the rest of his unrepentant, damnable life, or else six feet under, for the same reason as McVeigh and Kaczynski.

Later, Lizards.

re: #38 MrPaulRevere

Bill Ayers, Barack Obama and the Cloward-Priven strategy. I was skeptical when I first started reading this piece, but its very well sourced and worth your time. [Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

My dad sussed this stuff out from the very first - back in the 60s. It sounded odd at the time because nobody else was discussing it. From his point of view, the introduction of drugs into mainstream American society was also part of this. But then again, he was an immigrant from a country taken over by the Commies and had seen them in action up close and personal.

re: #32 Killgore Trout

I'm at one with reality and I'm accepting the reality presented to me. See #23 and dance with me!

Actually, the the fact that we are still here should spur us on to do the right thing until we can't do it no more.
There are those of us who will not . . . cannot idly sit by while evil stuff is happening.
Dance away now, Eeyore.

re: #65 victor_yugo

Yep, like I said, perhaps he's a smarter dodger, or a less able bomber.

Neither should make him proud.

Well, that's it for me. Catch y'all on the flipside. G'nite...

re: #48 Killgore Trout

Have you read my posts before?

KT, I'm just commenting on this thread. Did I miss somethin;?
;)

re: #51 Cognito

Well. Kaczynski and McVeigh were two of the worst murders in American history. Ayers hasn't been convicted for any such thing.

Now maybe that's because he's smarter than them. Or a less able bomber. But the truth is they're simply not the same.

Just because one is not convicted, doesn't mean one is not culpable. Journalist David Freddoso contends that "Ayers and Dohrn escaped prosecution only because of government misconduct in collecting evidence against them".

re: #59 Cognito

It's the latest cliche. All the rage. Stands for "Observe, Orient, Decide and Act," a military term.

I don't think I would call it "cliche" yet. Outside of four websites, I have not heard it used.

But then again, I don't watch TV so I could be missing something.

re: #67 Irene NYC

My dad sussed this stuff out from the very first - back in the 60s. It sounded odd at the time because nobody else was discussing it. From his point of view, the introduction of drugs into mainstream American society was also part of this. But then again, he was an immigrant from a country taken over by the Commies and had seen them in action up close and personal.

Not just the Commies. The Reichstag fire was right along those lines as well, 30+ years earlier.

re: #67 Irene NYC

Generally speaking I'm not given to conspiracy theories, but that does not means conspiracies don't exist, I'm not naive. That article made a believer out of me. The author did his homework.

re: #71 Irene NYC

KT, I'm just commenting on this thread. Did I miss somethin;?
;)

I honestly think Killgore Trout wants Obama to win this election. He's been a true "Eeyore" for quite a while now.

Who you voting for, Killgore? You gonna pull that lever for Obama?

re: #71 Irene NYC

Did I miss somethin;?

Nah, I'm just enjoying poking the Republicans with a proverbial stick. I'm actually thinking of working less, fishing more and maybe buying seeds from Amsterdam and taking up pot smoking again.

re: #73 Syrah

I don't think I would call it "cliche" yet. Outside of four websites, I have not heard it used.

But then again, I don't watch TV so I could be missing something.

It's a local cliche.

Like the popular dude at your junior high who seemed to crop up in everyone's conversation, and yet -- mysteriously -- failed utterly to be noticed by the world beyond.

re: #51 Cognito

Now maybe that's because he's smarter than them. Or a less able bomber. But the truth is they're simply not the same.

As a Greek/Russian/Ukrainian/etc. Orthodox, one of the things I/we hold is that God judges both the action and the intention. In that regard, Ayers is indeed on par with McVeigh and Kaczynski.

re: #77 Killgore Trout

Nah, I'm just enjoying poking the Republicans with a proverbial stick. I'm actually thinking of working less, fishing more and maybe buying seeds from Amsterdam and taking up pot smoking again.

Umm, KT? I think the pot in Amsterdam has all gone up in smoke. Somethin' about those darned islamists. But you can still fish!
;)

re: #76 Intrepid

Who you voting for, Killgore? You gonna pull that lever for Obama?

Nah, I don't think that's an option for me. Most of my customers are wealthy and the tax hikes will seriously hurt my finances. Oregon doesn't look like a swing state this time so I'll probably not vote. I've done it before and I'll do it again. Wanna grow yer own weed? I might have tips for you.

re: #51 Cognito

Well. Kaczynski and McVeigh were two of the worst murders in American history. Ayers hasn't been convicted for any such thing.

Now maybe that's because he's smarter than them. Or a less able bomber. But the truth is they're simply not the same.

Cog, the fact that Ayers failed shouldn't be held against him. I mean, he really tried, ya know?

re: #80 Irene NYC

But you can still fish!

Close enough for me!

What's the Keating Five thing that they're talking about releasing? I need to know how to defend myself.

re: #37 Irene NYC

Come on, Kilgore. The reality presented to us is that we're in the middle of a presidential election. Last time around, if I'm not mistaken, just at this time, the polls were also predicting a convincing dem win.

Have some faith!

Do NOT use the "F" word around KT.
It makes him testy!
:)

re: #51 Cognito

Well. Kaczynski and McVeigh were two of the worst murders in American history. Ayers hasn't been convicted for any such thing.

Now maybe that's because he's smarter than them. Or a less able bomber. But the truth is they're simply not the same.

Not for lack of effort, just lack of talent, TG.

KT, You're in Oregon? I thought you were mid-country somewhere - like around Tennessee. My bad.

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Great shoes, Sarah!

re: #84 TheMatrix31

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

re: #51 Cognito

Well. Kaczynski and McVeigh were two of the worst murders in American history. Ayers hasn't been convicted for any such thing.

Now maybe that's because he's smarter than them. Or a less able bomber. But the truth is they're simply not the same.

That is a stretch.

McVeigh committed one large, spectacular bombing, which indeed made him one of the largest mass-murderers in American history.

Kaczynski committed a long string of small-scale bombings, only a few of which caused fatalities. His total count of murders was three.

Ayers was a full conspirator and bomb designer for the Weather Underground. He shares full complicity in all of their crimes, which killed one police officer in a San Francisco bombing; three of his own organization in a 'work accident' in New York City; and two policemen and a Brink's guard in an armored car robbery in New York state.

The only reason Ayers was not convicted is that the FBI committed serious errors in gathering evidence against him, rendering the evidence useless. He has freely admitted his status as a Weatherman and thus his complicity in the Weatherman/Weather Underground crimes.

I would argue that Ayers is in fact a 'worse' murderer than Ted Kaczynski.

re: #84 TheMatrix31

What's the Keating Five thing that they're talking about releasing? I need to know how to defend myself.

It was the S&L scandal some 20 years ago or so. All you need to know was that McCain was exonerated and was maliciously named to the group to start off with cuz they needed some republican names to offset all the dems. It was just smear. They be gettin' desperate now.

re: #72 Noah's Arrrgh

Just because one is not convicted, doesn't mean one is not culpable. Journalist David Freddoso contends that "Ayers and Dohrn escaped prosecution only because of government misconduct in collecting evidence against them".

Furthermore, do a Google seach on "Guilty as hell, free as a bird" and Ayers. Yeah, that's right - that's what he said about himself.

re: #63 Walter L. Newton
Ah yes that's true, Walter, but please keep in mind that Obama has MUCH more money to spend than does McCain, for after saying he would take Public Funding, he then discovered how many "americans" lived in Iran and were sending him millions of dollars in contributions to his campaign and promptly reneged on his promise to accept public funding.
Not to mention the very simple fact that when Obama is riding high (as he would appear to be in the polls right now) he does have a marked tendancy to become full of himself and is a walking gaffe machine, suprerior in every way to Joe Biden in that department.
And also don't forget that there are TWO more debates, and while the First debate - which was supposed to be on McCain's strong suit, Foreign Affairs, over 1/3 of the time was spent on discussing the economy as Congress had just defeated the first version of the bailout bill. The Second debate, however IS on the Economy and honestly, Walter, Obama has NOTHING. His whole campaign was to be based on increasing taxes to help the majority of the poor and even he - no doubt in a weak moment - had to say that he'd have to scale down his economic plans - and it would certainly be Kosher for McCain to start nailing Obama on Obama's lack of any kind of plan to get us out of recession before it becomes a depression. Indeed, today in NC, Obama started his speech saying "McCain doesn't know anything about the economy. Take Health Care for example" and then spent oh 15 minutes or so describing - still in general terms - what Obama would do: give ALL Americans Health care, but that only the very rich of our nation would have to pay for it.
Geebus, even Mom, who doesn't focus too much on politics (she is more sane than her son!) said "WHAT? I thought he was going to talk about the economy not health care!"
Seriously - the meltdown and bailout bill have truly taken away the one BIG STICK that Obama could whack McCain with and now leaves all of Obama's other campaign programs in the lurch.

we must defeat this communist,,

re: #84 TheMatrix31

What's the Keating Five thing that they're talking about releasing? I need to know how to defend myself.

The Keating Five is McCain and four other Dems - including Jihn Glenn that got mixed up with Lincoln Savings and loan. An S&L that went belly up and took some IIRC 21,000 senior citizen's life savings.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

The Keating Five were five United States Senators accused of corruption in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as part of the larger Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s. The five senators, Alan Cranston (D-CA), Dennis DeConcini (D-AZ), John Glenn (D-OH), John McCain (R-AZ), and Donald W. Riegle (D-MI), were accused of improperly aiding Charles H. Keating, Jr., chairman of the failed Lincoln Savings and Loan Association, which was the target of an investigation by the Federal Home Loan Bank Board (FHLBB).

The result of the collapse of Lincoln Savings and Loan was that 21,000 mostly elderly investors lost their life savings. After a lengthy investigation, the Senate Ethics Committee determined in 1991 that Alan Cranston, Dennis DeConcini, and Donald Riegle had substantially and improperly interfered with the FHLBB in its investigation of Lincoln Savings. Senators John Glenn and John McCain were cleared of having acted improperly but were criticized for having exercised "poor judgment".

All five of the senators involved served out their terms. Only Glenn and McCain ran for re-election, and they were both re-elected.

On October 6, 2008 the Keating Five scandal, its parallel to the subprime mortgage crisis of 2008 and specifically the role in the scandal of U.S. Senator and Republican nominee for president John McCain, was reintroduced into public political discourse by the campaign of his opponent, Barack Obama through a documentary entitled Keating Economics.

Obama's threatening to unload a torrent of 1989 news.

re: #81 Killgore Trout

Nah, I don't think that's an option for me. Most of my customers are wealthy and the tax hikes will seriously hurt my finances. Oregon doesn't look like a swing state this time so I'll probably not vote. I've done it before and I'll do it again. Wanna grow yer own weed? I might have tips for you.

Wow - you won't vote because you don't think it will make a difference?

Hmmmm.

And no thank you, I don't smoke weed. I'd prefer living in reality, even with all its ups and downs.

But thank you for the offer!

Ya'll seeing some autumn leaves changing yet?

re: #93 realwest

Hey real!
I'm SOOOOO glad you pointed out all those furrin Americans living in exotic places like Teheran who are supporting The One. Time for that story to go viral, eh?
{smooch}

Thanks, guys. So seems like it's pretty stupid?

re: #79 victor_yugo

As a Greek/Russian/Ukrainian/etc. Orthodox, one of the things I/we hold is that God judges both the action and the intention. In that regard, Ayers is indeed on par with McVeigh and Kaczynski.

Certainly God does hold action and thought equal. Unfortunately*, though, the American system of jurisprudence cannot. So the comparison, in my view, falls a bit flat -- it comes off as hyperbole.

*(Or, perhaps, thank goodness. If the courts could peer into the hearts of men, I would have been convicted of copious and indiscriminate womanizing by the age of 13.)

OMG, gotta run - it's after 2 am and I've got work to do in like 6 hours.

re: #96 Intrepid

Ya'll seeing some autumn leaves changing yet?

Yes. Leaves are changing on my pear tree and the Kiwi set a lot of fruit this year. Figs are ripening to but too much rain will spoil them. Let's hope for the best.

re: #98 TheMatrix31

Thanks, guys. So seems like it's pretty stupid?

Non-issue.

re: #100 Irene NYC

Me too . . . weet dreams all y'all

re: #72 Noah's Arrrgh
With respect to Freddoso, Dohrn was acquited of MURDER because the only convincing evidence that she planted the bomb, and where she planted it and when it went off (and murdered one cop and blinded another for life) was presented by her co-conspirators, to whom she told everything.
And apparently, at least in that time and at that place, no one could be convicted of murder solely on the basis of testimony of co-conspirators.
It was, however, very nice indeed that Dohrn and Ayers raised convicted murderer and member of the gang Kathy Boudin's child as she was in prison for murder.

re: #5 Noah's Arrrgh

Can anyone delineate for me what the substantiative differences between Timothy McVeigh and William Ayers are? The magnitude of McVeigh's crimes are much larger, true, but that's only because Ayers didn't have the means the create the chaos that McVeigh did. From what I've read, it seems that he had the desire.

And, why is Ayers reallowed into polite company? Shouldn't he be treated with the same contempt that McVeigh is?

News Bulletin for Noah's Arrrgh:

William Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn, Angela Davis and dozens of other violent (and murderous) communist revolutionaries in the '60s and '70s were actively recruited by major universities and are all now professors earning wll over $100,000+/year and treated as demigods by their adoring admirers, which includes not only their students and colleagues, but the university administrations as well. Killing for communism is considered the HIGHEST possible achievement on one's resume.

What this indicates, is, yes, that the Grascian plan of taking over the educational system has actually already come true. Most liberal arts departments at most universities are entirely under the control of communists, and they don't really even bother to hide it any more.

Also note that these people get jaw-dropping other perks –– such as Ayers getting control of a $160 million grant to introduce socialist principles into inner-city Chicago schools. That's just the tip of the iceberg. Your brain would explode if you knew the half of it.

If only Ayers had murdered a few more people, he'd be Dean of the Department already.

I have a simple question: How could any decent American meet Bill Ayers and not punch him in the mouth?

re: #98 TheMatrix31

Thanks, guys. So seems like it's pretty stupid?

Wacky-stupid. But keep a close eye and bash them with facts when they lie.

/I'd hate to be the seminar organizer tasked with trying to explain the Keating Five to rows of glassy eyed, gaping Obamiacs.

The 6 o'clock news on both main TV network channels in NZ are carrying the AP story about Ayres and Palin's accusations word for word.

No background. No reporter stuff. Just following the party line right down the street and trying to blacken Palin's name and suggest that she's just a silly little girl.

That's what happens when the MSM is in the Obama tank. Not just the MSM in the States. They churn out their poison everywhere. No wonder folks think Obama walks on water and McCain / Palin have 666 tattooed on their foreheads!

Sheesh. This is getting serious as the left stage their ultimate takeover and crush any dissenting voices.

re: #106 SurferDoc

I have a simple question: How could any decent American meet Bill Ayers and not punch him in the mouth?

A couple hours ago, I was reading LGF, and I got so frustrated that I was about to punch my wall. I let out a scream.

It's really that frustrating. Especially in LA.

re: #101 Killgore Trout

Yes. Leaves are changing on my pear tree and the Kiwi set a lot of fruit this year. Figs are ripening to but too much rain will spoil them. Let's hope for the best.

Could you send the rain our way? We sure could use it. Pretty dry here.

/mid TN area

Also, what do you use figs for in cooking?

re: #109 TheMatrix31

Yah. I know.

re: #99 Cognito

Certainly God does hold action and thought equal. Unfortunately*, though, the American system of jurisprudence cannot. So the comparison, in my view, falls a bit flat -- it comes off as hyperbole.

I'll disagree: The difference between manslaughter and murder is that of intention, and the American system of jurisprudence does, in certain cases, take a person's frame of mind into account in the assessment of a crime.

re: #108 Aussie Infidel

Sarah's a fluffy bunny according to the 0bama camp.

Beware of fluffy bunnies.

Also note that Ayers freely admits killing people and blowing up the Capitol and the Pentagon and police stations and other places. He only got off and walked free because of a legal technicality, and because his fellow terrorists wouldn't squeal on him, so the (inept) prosecutors didn't have enough solid evidence. (Nowadays, with modern forensics and ballistics and so forth, Ayers would have been nailed but good.)

re: #97 Irene NYC
Hey Irene, I sure wish it would, however, even though the RNC is filing a complaint about those and other fundraising activies "overseas" by the Obama campaign, we don't have sufficient evidence to make it go viral- it was, after all, mostly credit cards by folks who checke "American" and for less than $200 each.
Who knew so many, many Americans lived in IRAN!
NOT to mention Tunisia, Syriah and Jordan!

Just how much of this propaganda can we be expected to swallow before striking back/

How does one strike back when the MSM have a monopoly on news dissemination?

When is it justified to take other measures?

re: #5 Noah's Arrrgh

Can anyone delineate for me what the substantiative differences between Timothy McVeigh and William Ayers are? The magnitude of McVeigh's crimes are much larger, true, but that's only because Ayers didn't have the means the create the chaos that McVeigh did. From what I've read, it seems that he had the desire.

And, why is Ayers reallowed into polite company? Shouldn't he be treated with the same contempt that McVeigh is?

Their ideology was almost completely opposite. McVeigh was a Classical Liberal, and took the advice of Jefferson and his contemporaries to literally overthrow the government if it become oppressive, which he believed it was. He was a radical Classical Liberal, and believed that the government had swayed so far from its roots to no longer be dedicated to individual liberty.

Ayers is a Communist, which is a political and economic system that is essentially diametrically opposed on every level to Civic Humanism/Jeffersonian Republicanism and other associated forms of governance dedicated to Individualism.

Their motivation was drastically different, but they were both 'ends justify the means' types and completely unrepentent. I dare say McVeigh, based on his commentary in prison and in his correspondence was a slightly less batshit than Ayers. His weakness as a radical was that he had a long fuse and went out in , where Ayers able to release his exuberant, destructive energies in a

In terms of the PR of Ayers and McVeigh, is that the former is a Hero of the Revolution who is fighting for the side of justice in overthrowing the evil, racist, Imperialist, Capitalist anglo-yanky pigdogs, and the latter is an evil, racist, Imperialist, Capitalist ango-yanky pigdog.

It's probably a very good thing that McVeigh isn't alive now. He would be behind a much larger explosion, and with no need of any fertilizer and gasoline if he got a whiff of Obama and company.

re: #5 Noah's Arrrgh

Can anyone delineate for me what the substantiative differences between Timothy McVeigh and William Ayers are?

I'm hoping a conservative 527 will make an ad comparing Ayers to McVeigh to Atta and crew, then tying Obama to Ayers. I'm in a pretty safely Republican state and haven't really noticed a lot of TV ads. Are conservative 527's running any ads anywhere about Obama's background?

re: #114 zombie
Hey zombie - see my #104 - Dohrn woulda been in jail too.
But then who would have raised poor Kathy Boudin's baby while she did life in prison for MURDER.

re: #95 RTLM

Obama's threatening to unload a torrent of 1989 news.

Was that wiki entry changed recently by the Obama campaign to reflect the new site on the Keating Five?

re: #110 Intrepid

Also, what do you use figs for in cooking?

I try to eat them fresh as much as possible. The rest are dried. I sometimes add them do Briani (fish/chicken/lamb/whatever) through the winter. Very tasty.

re: #113 Sharmuta

That may be so but when Americans wonder to themselves why everyone overseas seems to hate them think on this!

The whole MSM overseas has been running a campaign to brainwash the average Joe for years outside the States.

The wonder of it is that more folks outside the States still give Yanks any creds

re: #114 zombie

(Nowadays, with modern forensics and ballistics and so forth, Ayers would have been nailed but good.)

zombie - you have heard about O.J. Simpson . . . right?

///

re: #122 Aussie Infidel
Yeah, but the real puzzelment to me is this: if everyone in foreign nations hates the US so much, why do they keep trying to come here to live?!

re: #24 kynna

They will destroy themselves trying to whitewash Bill Ayers on Obama's behalf. The man is scum with a capital S.C.U.M.

Don't worry. When Ayers has his way, we will no longer be hearing about his Capital thing anymore.

re: #120 JacksonTn

Was that wiki entry changed recently by the Obama campaign to reflect the new site on the Keating Five?

Very likely - anyone can change wiki.

In his 2001 screed, Fugitive Days, Ayers recounts his life as a Sixties radical, his tenure as a Weatherman lieutenant, his terrorist campaign across America, and his enduring hatred for for the United States. “What a country,” Ayers said in 2001. “It makes me want to puke.”

re: #114 zombie

Also note that Ayers freely admits killing people...

Does he!

I didn't know that -- I thought he only admitted involvement in bombs that didn't kill anyone.

Well all y'all = it's really late here East coast time, so I gotta get some sleep NOW!
Hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you down the road!

Good night, all.

How many people would let somebody with Obama's background house sit for them? Yet close to half the voters think he should be our next president. Amazing.

And I'd like to convey my personal thanks to Sarah Palin for FINALLY mentioning William Ayers in this campaign. We in the blogosphere have been ranting and raving about the Obama/Ayers connection for nearly a year now, and the MSM deliberately ignored it and swept it under the rug. It took a VP candidate to say it in public in front of 10,000 people and news cameras for the story to finally get some traction. The MSM wanted to ignore it all the way to election day, but they couldn't any more.

The story and the facts are not new to us here, but they're new to the average American.

Thank you, Sarah.

re: #129 realwest

Pleasant dreams, realwest. BTW, hope your mouth is all better . . .

re: #105 zombie

News Bulletin for Noah's Arrrgh:

William Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn, Angela Davis and dozens of other violent (and murderous) communist revolutionaries in the '60s and '70s were actively recruited by major universities and are all now professors earning wll over $100,000+/year and treated as demigods by their adoring admirers, which includes not only their students and colleagues, but the university administrations as well. Killing for communism is considered the HIGHEST possible achievement on one's resume..

I know. That's what gets my goat. Crimes on behalf of left wing causes are fashionable in these milieux. Crimes, in my book, are crimes, period.

I remember talking a guy whose brother worked at a communist bookstore on Telegraph avenue in Berkeley. He was talking to his brother about the Khmer Rouge. His brother lauded the Khmer rouge. As for the genocide they committed, the worst he could admit to was, and I quote: "I'm not saying there weren't any excesses..." That kind of left wing apologetic is endemic at and about our "elite" universities.

re: #121 Killgore Trout

You got a good curry and prawn recipe, specifically with hot buttered naan?

Not too hot, mind you.

re: #106 SurferDoc

I have a simple question: How could any decent American meet Bill Ayers and not punch him in the mouth?

because you might hurt your hand..... better you hit...... /self deleted

re: #5 Noah's Arrrgh

Can anyone delineate for me what the substantiative differences between Timothy McVeigh and William Ayers are? The magnitude of McVeigh's crimes are much larger, true, but that's only because Ayers didn't have the means the create the chaos that McVeigh did. From what I've read, it seems that he had the desire.

And, why is Ayers reallowed into polite company? Shouldn't he be treated with the same contempt that McVeigh is?

The substantive -- the only -- difference between McVeigh and Ayers is that McVeigh was successful. Ayers' main attempt ended in a work accident that he and Dohrn, unfortunately, missed.

Ayers is allowed into polite society for precisely the same reason that the bloody-handed assassin Che Guevara is a T-shirt icon.

Incidentally, you might want to read this: Quite a few avowed Democrats think Obama stole the nomination.

It’s quite troubling, really, that mainstream media outlets are focusing upon “racial misgivings” factors, while all but ignoring the major divides among voting constituencies that occurred during the nominating contest between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. These rifts revolved much more around exactly how Barack Obama received the Democratic nomination than any sort of racial divide or even sour grapes.

In fact, there are dozens of voter groups which claim outright that Barack Obama’s nomination was garnered illegitimately and with decidedly undemocratic methods. These are the PUMA people, the NoBama folks, the caucus-fraud investigators, and a whole lot of others who fervently believe that Barack Obama is not the legitimate nominee of the Democratic Party electorate, but the nominee of the party elite and caucus strong-arm tactics.

If Barack Obama loses a large swath of traditionally Democratic voters in November, then the party should conduct serious introspection, not point fingers at white bigots and rednecks.

re: #95 RTLM

Obama's threatening to unload a torrent of 1989 news.

Seems like an act of desperation to me.

re: #128 Cognito

Does he!

I didn't know that -- I thought he only admitted involvement in bombs that didn't kill anyone.

He admitted involvement in the "work accident" in 1969 that killed some of his fellow terrorists who were constructing an anti-personnel bomb at his behest.

We know without question that he was involved in most of the other bombings as well (he was the leader of the organization, after all), though he coyly leaves out those exact details from his admittedly "fictionalized" memoir.

re: #131 zombie

She seems to be "pit bull" like that. Good choice, John McCain!

re: #95 RTLM

Obama's threatening to unload a torrent of 1989 news.

McCain should unload a torrent of more relevant and recent news from 2003, 2005, 2006, etc.

re: #55 Sharmuta

I haven't posted for over a day, as this election is really getting to me. Spinoffs? Yes. That I can handle. It is scary, and above all, a danger for all of us, and worse? For our children, grandchildren, etc., etc.....they come first, and what the outcome of this election is, will shape their future. They are innocents, and to have the Manchurian Candidate win? Unthinkable.

Sharm, bless you for giving me hope! I had honestly forgotten re the last 2 elections...and also what I had for breakfast. ;)

Maybe now I can go to sleep, and actually get a good night's rest!

IMHO, anyone who does not or will not vote is doing all of us harm, and anyone who even considers Obama is either nuts or does not give a damn about our country. We have the ability to make sure that Obama is not elected, by getting the info that the MSM hides out to as many people as possible, and I have taken the liberty to send the threads that Charles has put up to anyone I know who is still leaning towards Obama, and it has actually worked in some cases.

Please do not stay home and sulk on election day; as Americans, we are responsible for the future, and this election is frightening. No, McCain is not my first choice, but I am proud to vote for him, and think that the maligned Gov. Palin will be a superb VP. She left Biden stuttering, just like Obama does...

McCain/Palin 2008, and John Bolton as Sec of State!

And Condi, don't slam the door when you leave.

G'nite, all! And Sharm? Thanks for the way to a good night's sleep! Sweet dreams.

Wonder if Ayers would justify violence if Obama loses. Somebody should ask him.

re: #135 redc1c4

because you might hurt your hand..... better you hit...... /self deleted

LOL! Well, I have arthritis in my hands but I know I have at least one good punch left. I would hurt like hell but I'd be smiling...no, I'd be going, "OW OW OW!"

I could do an elbow in the chops...

re: #134 Intrepid

Sorry, prawns are out of my price range. I'll get back to you after Chairman Obama redistributes the wealth.

re: #142 HelloDare

Wonder if Ayers would justify violence if Obama loses. Somebody should ask him.

Now that is just excellent.

In 1970, Ayers’ then-girlfriend Diana Oughton, along with Weatherman members Terry Robbins and Ted Gold, were killed when a bomb they were constructing exploded unexpectedly. That bomb had been intended for detonation at a dance that was to be attended by army soldiers at Fort Dix, New Jersey. Hundreds of lives could have been lost had the plan been successfully executed. Ayers attested that the bomb would have done serious damage, “tearing through windows and walls and, yes, people too.”

His intent seems pretty clear.

re: #51 Cognito

Well. Kaczynski and McVeigh were two of the worst murders in American history. Ayers hasn't been convicted for any such thing.

Now maybe that's because he's smarter than them. Or a less able bomber. But the truth is they're simply not the same.

Ayers attempted the exact same outcome. It is similar enough to the other cases that relative failure in causing fatalities is no defense whatsoever. Quite close enough. Same motivation - true believers.

The failure to kill more people can be atributed to Ayers' incompetence at designing bombs, not to intelligence. People who know how to handle explosives don't have accidents like the one in New York.

The Unabomber only killed three people. What does that matter? Is he less of an animal than McVeigh?

Recall that the Weathermen placed a bomb at a San Francisco police station that killed one cop and blinded another. Not placing the bomb with his own hands does not clear Ayers in and of itself. You know that.

The subject of this thread is the link between a terrorist who planted bombs and a candidate for President of the United States. Please explain why any of your hair-splitting matters in that context.

re: #136 Steffan

Excellent article- thanks for linking it. Just another reason I think we're going to win.

re: #140 Cognito

McCain should unload a torrent of more relevant and recent news from 2003, 2005, 2006, etc.

Cognito, those are the most intelligent words you have ever uttered on LGF.

;)

re: #144 Killgore Trout

Sorry, prawns are out of my price range. I'll get back to you after Chairman Obama redistributes the wealth.

Don't be his bitch, Killgore! You arent' that kind of man!

Heh!

I can buy a 1 lb bag of frozen prawns at Wal-Mart for 6 bucks. Where the heck do you live that you cannot do the same?

Oregon? Heck, Killgore - come.into.the.light....

Move to the South! It's where "it" is!

We've got "IT"!

("IT" can mean jobs, culture, fun, weather....we've pretty much got "it")

re: #143 SurferDoc

LOL! Well, I have arthritis in my hands but I know I have at least one good punch left. I would hurt like hell but I'd be smiling...no, I'd be going, "OW OW OW!"

I could do an elbow in the chops...

me too: axe handles are your friend............. i can close it around a grip, but not make a fist with the right hand. (w*rk related)

us old folks have to remember to use tools. %-)

re: #150 Intrepid

Move to the South! It's where "it" is!

You can't get a good biscuit north of the Mason Dixon line.

re: #152 Killgore Trout

Forget about the gravy.

I just took a look at the Asian Markets. The trend seems to be adamant.

In just over 6 hours, Wall Street will open up.

We will survive this, but keep your seat belts on for a while longer.

Good night all.

re: #141 NY Nana

IMHO, anyone who does not or will not vote is doing all of us harm

Sorry, NY Nana, but you and I part company here.

Where I live, registering to vote is to put your name in as a candidate for jury duty. It is part of our civic contract: A citizen has a say in how the state is run, in exchange for that citizen's services when the state requires them.

After the way a crooked cop, an incompetent lawyer, and a pussy jury f$*#ed over someone very near and dear to me, there are days I ponder if registering to vote would be worth the opportunity to tell two lawyers and a judge to go f!@# themselves during the jury selection process. I'll never be able to sit in a jury pool without risking days or weeks for contempt of court.

In the meantime, I may be pulling for McCain/Palin, but I'll willingly give up my vote, in order to stay out of a jury pool.

re: #152 Killgore Trout

You can't get a good biscuit north of the Mason Dixon line.

By biscuit, you mean "cookie"? Or biscuit, which is a glorious confection of the south?

Oh sir, surely you jest!

(I can bake a dozen biscuits that will make you want to slap your granny)

re: #149 RTLM

Cognito, those are the most intelligent words you have ever uttered on LGF.

;)

I think what's frightening to me is that the moment of enlightenment has arrived, and no one is changing his mind. Here's what I mean:

The Wall Street Journal's editorial page has been pouring hail and fire on Fannie and Freddie and their conspirators for years. Years. And during the same span they were accused, by the left, of merely drifting further and further from the center toward the right.

The editors could console themselves with the knowledge that, "Well. This whole thing will collapse some day, and people will see we were correct."

And now the collapse has come, but people still don't see it. They're not calling for accountability from the people in power.

It's the not-seeing-it aspect that frightens me. It's that aspect that sets this current crisis apart.

Wierd! I was using Firefox when my comment form, then the bottom of this thread just... disappeared. It was a big blank nothing. I've pulled up IE, and it seems fine, but that was freaky. I had a comment form on the Dufour thread. I tried clearing my cache. I still had a big blank nothing at the end of this thread.

re: #157 Cognito

I feel the exact same way. Bill O'Reilly has for weeks been pushing his populist nonsense that the pols should have come on his show and named names and pointed to exactly what the problem was and informed the electorate.

That just doesn't work any more. Even people that are politically active will see a pol giving his account of what is going on, and a partisan on the other side will give a contradictary account and just point fingers back.

They propagandize out in the open light of day and no one can tell. All Rightys think all Leftys are liars and vice versa, while no one in the middle can decide who is telling the truth. In reality none of them understand the fundamentals and have to rely on a third party to tell them what to think.

Weird! Now I'm seeing this in Firefox, logged out, on other threads past 150 or so comments. Can anyone else see this?

I am at a conferece full of Republicans & they are resigned to an Obama presidency. I keep telling them that this is not over.
But ya know, where is the fighting McCain?
Sarah Palin gets it.

re: #157 Cognito

Let's see what happens Tuesday.

I'm using Firefox - not seeing what you are describing, Sharmuta.

I'm starting to get the feeling that others are now experiencing the bottom falling out of LGF threads.

re: #162 RTLM

Let's see what happens Tuesday.

I must be sleepy -- what's due to happen Tuesday?

re: #163 SummerSong

Which version?

re: #160 Sharmuta

Weird! Now I'm seeing this in Firefox, logged out, on other threads past 150 or so comments. Can anyone else see this?

Yes. I closed firefox and opened Chrome and finally saw this. Firefox truncated the page and wouldn't show any more comments or the comment box no matter how many times I reloaded. I suspect a bug in the upgraded code that Charles mentioned earlier in the day.

Sharm...it's way past my bedtime and I think I have FF 3.2 Everything is A-Okay, here.

re: #167 Abu Al-Poopypants

Thank you! Do you think we should put a warning in the spinoffs for the Lizards in the morning?

Ouch! I logged out and DID have the same problem you described. I had to use IE to get back here.

Using 2.0 Firefox.

re: #168 Pvt Bin Jammin

Try one of the threads with tons of comments. Like the fluffy bunny thread.

I signed back in using Firefox.....tried to post and it told me I wasn't signed in...

re: #170 SummerSong

That's it- I'm posting a warning in the spinoffs.

re: #171 Sharmuta

Will do. Maybe I will log-out too.
Tset LOL

re: #173 Sharmuta
Good idea.

re: #160 Sharmuta

Weird! Now I'm seeing this in Firefox, logged out, on other threads past 150 or so comments. Can anyone else see this?

I have the same problem FF3.0.3. Had to switch to IE7.

I'm gonna take it as a hint that I ought to go to sleep, what with it being 3 AM and all...

Poor Charles...more work.

I just logged out and back in. Don't seem to be having any trouble. Ubuntu 8.04 and Fire Fox 3.0.3

re: #165 Cognito
The debate is happening Tuesday.

re: #178 SummerSong

Poor Charles...more work.

I feel sorry for him at what his inbox will look like by the time he gets up.

re: #180 capitalist piglet

The debate is happening Tuesday.

Ah. Gotcha.

re: #179 FamHistoryGuy

Could you try a longer thread? I linked one in the spinoffs with my warning.

re: #156 Intrepid

I'm talking about about American biscuits that exist south of the Mason Dixon and east of the Mississippi. British biscuits are a different affair.

Namaste, yall.
/G'nite

Everytime I go back to using Firefox to view a thread, it chops off more comments. First time I showed 165 comments - refreshed the page and it went down to 150 comments.

Will an atuo thread pop up later? I guess they'll be good to 150 posts...

atuo=auto

I'm experiencing the same issue in FF3 so I opened the site on IE....I tried logging back in and refreshing mutliple times and nothing.

re: #160 Sharmuta

For me, the site broke under firefox 2.0.0.17. A thread or the main page appears to load, but then a huge grey box appears, and then everything below the masthead goes away -- replaced by white.

Using IE6 to post this.

Working ok for me with Chrome.

re: #187 SummerSong

Maybe, maybe not. This thread went up fairly late, so it's possible there won't be an auto thread, we'll just have this one all night.

re: #190 abolitionist

Yeah, abo- there's a firefox bug I think. I hope enough lizards think to check the spinoffs or at least try another browser. Goodness- I hope littleoldlady's on IE or who will do fruitcup?

And- I was going to crack a joke about Charles finally having found a way to get me to shut up. lol

I have the same problem in Firefox 2 but no problem in Safari.

No problems in the lounge? I don't go there, but I suppose people could pop in there and find out what's going on?

testing...

Okay, now that's really strange.

In FF 3.0.1, I logged out, then closed and re-launched. And I was automatically logged back in.

re: #183 Sharmuta

I went to the front page and a longer thread. Ran into a problem with overlapping images. Seems it is not clearing part of a post and running later posts under that stuck image. Does make it difficult to read.

re: #193 Sharmuta

Sharmuta, I collected some screenshots earlier and sent them to Charles before seeing this thread. I was hoping it wouldn't affect that many people -- I was wrong. Latest versions of Safari, Google Chrome, and Opera for Windows are OK here, though.

Hopefully the feedback we are giving will help Charles figure it out.

It's cut off for me in Firefox 3.0.3. I'll try the restarting the browser thing and see if it works.

re: #193 Sharmuta
I am back from internet hell via IE, and I know you guys know that I drink martinis but I kid you not....went to the fluffy bunny thread, thought it was comining up, then, instead of "waiting for LGF", down on the bottom of my screen it said something like this: "Hillary Clinton Forum.net?discussion/forum.display./php?f+84forum ". I kid you not, but I probably didn't write it down right but I have never gone to a Hillary Clinton forum to my knowledge.

On top of that, Sharmuta and Charles, I am having the same "blank" at the bottom of the thread in FF 3.2.

OMG I am getting sober. LOL

re: #194 Sharmuta

Thanks for the switch browser tip.
I thought I'd never escape that "Non-Racialy-specific-pigmented (black) hole.

/hey, it was awful in there.

re: #204 IslandLibertarian

I try to be a help.

re: #200 justadot

I'm glad you grabbed screen shots. Hopefully, that will help.

re: #205 Sharmuta
I still say, you don't sound "Blue-ish".

re: #207 IslandLibertarian

And I'm not mean either.

re: #208 Sharmuta

And I'm not mean either.

Then "Pepperland" is saved!

re: #209 IslandLibertarian

LOL!

re: #210 Sharmuta

so , you got one of these?

re: #211 IslandLibertarian

Actually- I do have a Yellow Submarine Action figure, but not the Love Glove.

Well THAT'S a pain!

/pass the martoonis

Thanks for the heads up, Sharmuta! :-)

re: #212 Sharmuta

action figure?..? tell me more.....one of the liverpool lads or jeremy or the captain ?
never heard of such a thing....Yello Submarine Action Figure....that seems like an oximoron.

re: #213 littleoldlady

Who loves you, littleoldlady?

well, this thread locks up at about comment 144 and disappears in FF3, and everytime i hit comment in IE 6.X, it takes me back to the main page.....

(extended Army language here)

i'm gonna go fix up the fruitcup and wait for Stinky to get on duty to unfuck this...... BTW: who stole Cognito's login and posted sense about #150?

hasta, y'all....... L8r! %-)

re: #214 IslandLibertarian

Scroll down a little-

[Link: www.cmdstore.com...]

'nite, lizards. Still can't see beyond FF comment # 150. Something is wrong. Love all of you lizards.

See! Some of you thought I was crazy when I posted it, but I wasn't!

[insert maniacal laughter here]

Bit of an XP/IE7 bug is showing up here; usually I can scroll through posts a page at a time using the space bar or the page/up--page/down keys. Now the only sure bet for reading is to use the scroll wheel on the mouse. Knowing XP's easily confused, I rebooted the comp and the problem is persisting.

re: #217 Sharmuta

There were so many........even John with "The Love Glove".....
Imagine that..............

IE7 is so clunky. I'm gonna bail.
Nite 'tiles.

PTTCP
NObama!

re: #220 Sylvester_T_Cat

It's in Firefox, too, as Sharmuta so helpfully pointed out. You're having a problem in IE?

I'm using AOL and LGF seems to be working okay.

/for now...

Same problems for me with Firefox 3.0.3 - cuts off mid-post #126. Using Safari now and it seems fine.

per # 216, for "comment" in IE 6.0.2800.1106 make that "every time i select either reply or quote, it takes me back to the main page"....

i'm gonna go start stress testing tonights fruitcup, since i can't just take out the tanker's bar and BTS out of the front glacis plate.....

(that was always good fore relieving stress: hard on the paint, but who gave a damn? %-)

re: #224 redc1c4

I think Pvt Bin Jammin left some martoonis.

/smorgasbord!

re: #220 Sylvester_T_Cat

Same thing here. The hamsters must not like Change.

/s

hey, I found some 'shrooooooooooms.

Blissful Dreams.

re: #225 littleoldlady
LOL I'm shaking up a few for you guys right now! Come on over.

This is a weird internet thing, don't you think?

#225: well, i'll just take on for each rat i've smoted tonight...... and one was, from the look i got when he did a flip on his way down the all, a big one, worth a double, so we're at four right now.....

did i ever send you the Martini.xls file?

red,
going out back to scan the firing lane again %-)

#228: i would, but i don;t think 2H6 would understand, and i'd have to sleep on the floor, since there's no way i'm driving home again this late at night..... after martinis.

Pvt Bin Jammin! :-)

I've been thinking my ole computer is real close to biting the dust anyway. This isn't helping. :-(

Thanks for the 'toonies! :-) :-) :-)

re: #229 redc1c4

You're on vacation with rats?

re: #230 redc1c4

driving home again? Where have you been?

From Wikipedia:

Confirmation bias
In psychology and cognitive science, confirmation bias is a tendency to search for or interpret new information in a way that confirms one's preconceptions and avoids information and interpretations which contradict prior beliefs.

...rigorous critical scrutiny is applied only to evidence challenging a preconceived idea but not to evidence supporting it.

{littleoldlady}...you're welcome for the 'toonies. LOL It's good to see you. Wish I could make it for the fruitcup but I wont. Does anybody ever hear from Miguel?

#233: "driving home again? Where have you been?"

nowhere, yet. never left the property today. i was refereing to the idiocy of trying to do so if i were to actually head east on the 134 and take you up on the 'toonis in person.

i blame IE.... it even does text poorly. %-)

But of course! The RNC is racist to bring up illegal foreign contributions!

Amazing.

re: #235 Pvt Bin Jammin

Nobody hears from Miguel, as far as I know.

:-(

_{^{I don't even want to speculate...}}

re: #236 redc1c4

One of these days we'll have a lgf get-together. Maybe we should do it over coffee.

I am fading fast. Take care, Red.

re: #238 littleoldlady
Bless his heart. I miss him.
'nite.

re: #237 Sharmuta

Money itself is simply another tool of oppression invented and maintained by the white, capitalistic, sexist, racist, homophobic power structure!

CHANGE!

///

Pvt Bin Jammin! :-)

'Night.

On topic, there's a "must-see" video about the Weatherman Underground embedded in this page:
Obama donors debated Killing White Babies and Trained in Castros Terrorist camps. VIDEO and link to 420 pages FBI Files Reds

Caveat: I've not been able to reach the site lately. I'd posted the bare link on a previous thread.

Scroll down below "No joke" and play the video. Sorry, I don't know how to link directly to it, or to save it.

Near end of the video, there are a couple near-contemporary (2004) statements to inform us that We are still at war (Dohrn), and It's not over (Ayers).

So it would appear that Obama is *not* entirely lacking in face-to-face negotiating experience, when it comes to dealing with terrorist fanatics who are bent on the destruction of these United States.

/ absolutely dripping with sarcasm

re: #241 Temujin

Temujin! :-)

I wish somebody would frikken oppress me already!

/sheesh

re: #244 littleoldlady

White folks' greed runs a Powerball in need!

/

#244: i'm gonna be good for once and not touch that..... %-)

re: #244 littleoldlady

I wish somebody would frikken oppress me already!

Perchik: “Money is the world’s curse!”
Tevye: “May the Lord smite me with it. And may I never recover.”

~ from the 1971 film, Fiddler On The Roof

re: #247 Temujin

Double ++!

/ignoring red...

#247: and here i was thinking silk neckties, a peacock feather and maybe some chocolate syrup........ after dinner, dancing and champagne...... with strawberries.

oh well. %-)

Very sweet video of pups greeting their soldier home from Iraq after 14 months.

Happy dogs

Hmmm...

/not ignoring red anymore

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --------------------->
Help yourselves!

re: #252 littleoldlady

Thank you, littleoldlady!

Woot! Fruit cup!

Can I have some?

Temujin!

re: #254 Intrepid

Intrepod! :-)

Of course!

#251: it's all about the romance, and what makes your partner trigger. unfortunately for me, HRH suffers from ADD, so the usual things don't w*rk either way, but we make do, and i know i *am* loved..... yeah, we growl back & forth on occasion, but it's not my fault she scared off all the normal guys, but then again

Intrepid

/sorry
//I blame AOL...

I ♥ Fruitcup™!

re: #258 Sharmuta

I ♥ Fruitcup™!

dou you ever sleep?

do pimf

I've watched the VP debate again - Joe did better than I thought he did, but his lies were even more glaring.

Still, Sarah speaks to the folks.

And Gwen is clearly biased.

re: #259 akak

Maybe.

Time 2 go take care of business.

Later,lizards. Bbiab.

re: #256 redc1c4