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The Weathermen Tried to Kill My Family

Politics | Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 8:47:46 am PDT

The mainstream media is now engaged in a full court press to defend former Weather Underground terrorist William Ayers, with article after article minimizing his crimes. The lefty blogs go even farther; some of them are actually calling Ayers a “patriot,” and claiming he never intended to harm anyone.

So here’s an article by John Murtaugh (who was also very young when William Ayers was on the rampage), telling the story of what it was like to be Ayers’ target: The Weathermen tried to kill my family.

In February 1970, my father, a New York State Supreme Court justice, was presiding over the trial of the so-called “Panther 21,” members of the Black Panther Party indicted in a plot to bomb New York landmarks and department stores. Early on the morning of February 21, as my family slept, three gasoline-filled firebombs exploded at our home on the northern tip of Manhattan, two at the front door and the third tucked neatly under the gas tank of the family car. (Today, of course, we’d call that a car bomb.) A neighbor heard the first two blasts and, with the remains of a snowman I had built a few days earlier, managed to douse the flames beneath the car. That was an act whose courage I fully appreciated only as an adult, an act that doubtless saved multiple lives that night.

I still recall, as though it were a dream, thinking that someone was lifting and dropping my bed as the explosions jolted me awake, and I remember my mother’s pulling me from the tangle of sheets and running to the kitchen where my father stood. Through the large windows overlooking the yard, all we could see was the bright glow of flames below. We didn’t leave our burning house for fear of who might be waiting outside. The same night, bombs were thrown at a police car in Manhattan and two military recruiting stations in Brooklyn. Sunlight, the next morning, revealed three sentences of blood-red graffiti on our sidewalk: FREE THE PANTHER 21; THE VIET CONG HAVE WON; KILL THE PIGS.

For the next 18 months, I went to school in an unmarked police car. My mother, a schoolteacher, had plainclothes detectives waiting in the faculty lounge all day. My brother saved a few bucks because he didn’t have to rent a limo for the senior prom: the NYPD did the driving. We all made the best of the odd new life that had been thrust upon us, but for years, the sound of a fire truck’s siren made my stomach knot and my heart race. In many ways, the enormity of the attempt to kill my entire family didn’t fully hit me until years later, when, a father myself, I was tucking my own nine-year-old John Murtagh into bed.

Read the whole thing...

UPDATE at 10/6/08 9:00:34 am:

The Sydney Morning Herald calls Ayers a “former anti-Vietnam war militant.”

(Hat tip: Tim Blair.)

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1 JamesTKirk  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:49:19am

The Weathermen were not as harmless as the Weathergirls, AP.

2 Occasional Reader  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:49:57am

Clearly, the author of the piece is a racist.

/LLL/MSM knee-jerk

3 West Coast Freedom  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:51:32am

“The last four weeks of this election will be about whether the American people are willing to turn our economy and national security over to Barack Obama, a man with little record, questionable judgment, and ties to radical figures like unrepentant domestic terrorist William Ayers. Americans need to ask themselves if they’ve ever befriended an unrepentant terrorist, or had a convicted felon help them buy their house — because those aren’t smears, those are true facts about Barack Obama.” —Tucker Bounds, spokesman McCain-Palin 2008

4 saberry0530  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:51:37am

Someone should hit hem over the head repeatedly with a clue bat

5 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:53:06am
6 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:53:11am

Bill Ayers is scum and the fact he isn't rotting in a Federal Prison or Potter's Field is a tragedy.

7 Occasional Reader  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:53:17am
and the third tucked neatly under the gas tank of the family car. (Today, of course, we’d call that a car bomb.)

As a purely technical nitpick, I don't really agree with that definition.

But anyway.

The "what's the big deal about Bill Ayers?" line is all part and parcel of our culture's whitewash (oops, racism!) of the 60s extremists as just funky, fun folks who listened to cool music and wore groovy clothes. The culture has blurred the distinction between harmless flower children, and wild-eyed killers.

8 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:53:25am

The media continues to portray Ayers as nothing more than a radical.

He was a terrorist. He founded a terrorist group - the Weather Underground in 1969. He and his cohorts, including his then gf, built and detonated bombs. His girlfriend at the time was killed when a bomb being built to be used against Fort Dix blew up in their Greenwich Village apartment, killing 2 other terrorists. Bombs were detonated at the Pentagon, Capitol, NYPD hq, and several other locations.

Still other terrorists from the group were involved in the Brinks armored car heist in Nanuet NY - two cops and a security guard were murdered. That crime was carried out to bankroll future terror ops.

Another terrorist in the group, Bernadine Dohrn, ended up with Ayers. Both are now given the imprimatur of legitimacy because they're college professors and are active in Chicago politics.

It's a damning indictment on both academics and Chicago politics that these terrorists are poisoning the minds of another generation of students.

9 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:55:01am

I saw this a few weeks ago, and more recently there was an interview with Murtagh, probably on Fox. This story needs to get more exposure. It wasn't just "empty buildings" the Weathermen bombed.

10 Jinx  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:55:01am

C'mon, Palin, hit harder with this story! Hit hard. Show what types of relationships Obama has had and how radical they are.

Expose him. Prove to the rest of the US that Obama's judgment and "friends" are nowhere even approaching ideal. These "friends" are the same he'd appoint as judges, cabinet members, advisors, etc.

Hit hard!

11 realwest  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:55:23am

re: #6 Kragar (proud to be kafir) Could not agree with you more Kragar!

12 joncelli  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:55:31am

We can hope that the McCain-Palin campaign is husbanding their resources for a series of ad buys in the key states on this very subject closer to election day. If not, they've given up.

13 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:55:52am

..the 1970's were like so..long ago.. and besides Obama was like only 8 years old. Let's talk about his judgment today, he's against war ya know..

/

14 doppelganglander  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:57:08am

I read this several months ago. It's absolutely harrowing. People must be forced to think about this: Would you want a man in the White House who is a close associate of people who tried to murder an officer of the court and his wife and children?

15 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:57:30am

how about a thread to discuss Joe Biden's statement that he and Barack are going to not only reset interest rates on people's loans
but also reset the principal

I mean, who would pay for that
the bank
mortgage broker
buyer agent
seller agent
title company
seller
original builder
city
county
state ?

such a shocking gaffe from the debate that I have not seen discussed

16 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:57:31am

More Praises to the Glorious Leader;

Obama Youth - Junior Fraternity Regiment

17 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:57:46am
18 ab_irato  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:58:06am

A terrorist by any other name...

19 Penny T. Wienerdog  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:58:08am

Obama should realize that we are judged by the company we keep. Is is moral to keep following a man who unrepentantly was responsible for the deaths of some and the broken lives of others? How will that bode for our country if Obama is elected. Are Ayers/Dohrn going to be in his cabinet?

20 FrogMarch  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:58:08am

Why Ayres Matters.

snip...

The excuse is often trotted out that Ayers and Dohrn weren’t so bad, since the Weathermen were so incompetent at terrorism that they only managed to kill a few of their own ranks, in a 1970 explosion. That’s errant nonsense. The bomb that destroyed a New York townhouse, and less sadly, the three Weathermen who were inside it, was intended to be set off at an Fort Dix NCO club dance. If you think Ayers and Dohrn and the other surviving Weathermen who were complicit in that planned bombing ought to be considered guiltless because the bombing was botched, you must also think Richard Reid should be set free because he too was an incompetent terrorist, one dumb enough to try and set off his shoe bomb with a match.

Of course, Reid’s incompetence, and that of Zacarias Moussaoui, are not a mitigating factors, nor should they be. Reid and Moussaoui actually got off easy. Both deserve execution; instead, they get to spend the rest of their lives looking at a blank wall in Supermax.

21 subsailor68  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:58:11am

re: #8 lawhawk

lawhawk, your last sentence says it all. As another poster (can't remember who) said in another context (I paraphrase):

When Obama said he was only eight when Ayers and crew were active, well, so he was when Charles Manson was at work. Does that mean it's okay to hang with Manson now too?

(Apologies to whoever first said that.)

22 realwest  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:58:58am

re: #8 lawhawk
Hey lawhawk - didja know that Kathy Boudin who was convicted of Felony Murder in that armored car deal, has a child who was raised for her by - ta da - Billy Ayers and his ever so charming wife Bernadine Dorhn?
And that Dorhn herself escaped from MURDER charges because the ONLY people who knew she planted the bomb that killed one cop and permanently blinded another were co-conspirators (and apparently under Federal law at that time, you couldn't be convicted of Murder - not felony murder, but Murder with intent, on the testimony of co-conspirators?!

23 lifeofthemind  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:59:22am

Always good to see this piece again. It will be remembered as a classic, like something by John Donne or Milton.

24 bellamags  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:59:24am

It is clear there are those who want to destroy this country and everything it stands for. Those at the top of this philosophy are the evil ones who convince and persuade the less intelligent and/or informed segment of our population by way of the mainstream media. It angers me to the point of tears sometimes. I feel helpless. But I do tell everyone about the bias. The only thing we can do is educate those who do not understand and inform those who are not informed.

25 Kincsem  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:59:25am

Anyone who thinks William Ayers is just an aging hippie who carried signs and blocked a few classroom doors needs to learn that the Weathermen were as deadly serious about destroying this country as any foreign enemy, including the Glorious Nineteen. The Weathermen were dangerous, violent people, and voters should wonder why Obama has such extensive connections to some of them, and endorsements from others.

26 Just_A_Grunt  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:59:58am

Anybody else see a corelation to the Weathermen of the 60's and the eco terrorists of today who attack scientists and burn down their houses? Academia gone wild.

27 wiffersnapper  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:00:01am

Yet the Obama Myth continues to run strong.

28 Occasional Reader  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:00:02am

re: #15 Adrenalyn

how about a thread to discuss Joe Biden's statement that he and Barack are going to not only reset interest rates on people's loans
but also reset the principal

That would be sure-fire method of completely, utterly wrecking our banks.

Would you buy stock in a bank if you knew that their lending portfolio could simply be rearranged by political fiat?

Incredible.

29 shug  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:00:24am

Barack Obama's new theme song

"I've got friends in Low places"

/sorry Garth

30 Jinx  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:00:27am

McCain's already proven he'll play the Obama softball game with the media. While Palin's demonstrated she'll hit where it hurts--the truth.

If McCain really wants to win, he'll have to try harder than he's doing. We know the msm is in bed with the Democrat party, why can't McCain figure it out? Has he been in Washington so long he's blinded to this truth?

Obama may have been eight when Ayers committed these atrocities, but he is still unrepentant of his crimes and wishes he could've done more. McCain, quit playing softball and go after him, or is this limp-wristed excuse for campaigning the way you plan to govern? Lame duck the first four? Show some intestinal fortitude.

31 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:00:28am

Koskidz: Ayers and Obama: Half-snark

If the Dow keeps tanking in another week knowing Ayers might go from a negative to a campaign asset.
True, Weatherman was a bit premature in their calls for the end of empire and corporate capitalism but looks like it's happening before our eyes.
Ayers for Secretary of Defenseless or Secretary of No Treasury!

Progressive!

32 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:00:48am

re: #17 taxfreekiller

The 1960's anti war thugs hate America, did then do now, they loose wars, they are the ones who have made Calif. and Florida broke, they are the ones who now sub-prime America with fake and fraud IOU's.

Do not allow this hate America loon near the White House.

He will loose, no he will win the war on terror for the ones of terror.
He will foreclose all the homes.
He will self-destruct himself and America because he is only hate, nothing more, just pure hate.

excellent !
upding for you

Obama: he will win the war on terror, for the other side !
I am going to make a bumper sticker with this on it

33 The Other Les  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:00:52am

re: #1 JamesTKirk

The Weathermen were not as harmless as the Weathergirls, AP.

There used to be a really hot weathergirl named Ulrika on Deutche Welle but they changed formats and eliminated the position.

34 realwest  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:00:59am

And I think this bears re-viewing for obvious reasons:

35 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:01:48am

You would think the other aging hippies would be aghast that a terrorist bastard like Bill Ayers is hiding his crimes under the label of being a '60s radical.

The only other explanation is they are all proud of him for it.

36 Occasional Reader  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:01:54am

re: #28 Occasional Reader

That would be sure-fire method of completely, utterly wrecking our banks.

Would you buy stock in a bank if you knew that their lending portfolio could simply be rearranged by political fiat?

Incredible.

And I would add; this is the purest example of liberals advocating means that would directly harm the people they claim they want to help. The result of this plan would be that in the future mortgage lending, and indeed lending in general, would only become available to the rich. This is exactly what happens in third world countries; activist judges and legislatures will always be quick to force banks to write off loans to poor people, so they just don't make any.

37 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:02:21am

re: #22 realwest

Yeah, they've got a real coterie of winners there. Throw in some prosecutorial misconduct on the investigations into Ayers and his terror pals, and that's why he skated. Leftists lauded him for beating the "man" and make him their icon and hero. That's how academia enabled and "rehabilitated" his image.

Politicians simply followed along, ignoring his clear terror history - and that he remains unrepentant shows just how little he's changed over the years.

38 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:02:38am

re: #28 Occasional Reader

That would be sure-fire method of completely, utterly wrecking our banks.

Would you buy stock in a bank if you knew that their lending portfolio could simply be rearranged by political fiat?

Incredible.

but, am I the only one to have heard that ?
no one has brought it up
and to me, it is THE most shocking moment of the debate
perhaps of any debate

39 shug  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:02:45am

The Election of Barack Hussein Obama to the same office held by real American patriots will be a national disgrace.

I never thought I would see a man I respected less in office than Bill Clinton.

but he's changed all that

40 troonbop  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:02:46am

If any of these apologists are inconvenienced at the airport for a security check they scream and cry; but it's okay for people to be terrorized by explosions in the name of a phony cause. Pathetic. Even scumbag ayres doesn't excuse himself; he brags about it, yet his supporters apparently don't believe him.

41 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:02:51am

John Murtagh to me is a scum bag.But to be able to use his words to help bring lite on William Ayers is almost cool justice.

42 JohnAdams  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:02:58am

re: #31 Killgore Trout

Koskidz: Ayers and Obama: Half-snark

Progressive!

I was dumb and happy like that when I was a child, too.

43 Penny T. Wienerdog  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:03:34am

re: #30 Jinx

McCain's already proven he'll play the Obama softball game with the media. While Palin's demonstrated she'll hit where it hurts--the truth.

If McCain really wants to win, he'll have to try harder than he's doing. We know the msm is in bed with the Democrat party, why can't McCain figure it out? Has he been in Washington so long he's blinded to this truth?

Obama may have been eight when Ayers committed these atrocities, but he is still unrepentant of his crimes and wishes he could've done more. McCain, quit playing softball and go after him, or is this limp-wristed excuse for campaigning the way you plan to govern? Lame duck the first four? Show some intestinal fortitude.

I could not agree more wiht you. I want McCain to kick Obama's butt! No more Mr. Nice Guy, McCain. Remember, "Country First!"

44 semper gumbi  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:03:59am

re: #32 Adrenalyn

Obama: he will win the war on terror, for the other side !
I am going to make a bumper sticker with this on it

Saw a bumber sticker this week-end:

Give Al-queda a chance
Vote Obama 08

45 Jetpilot1101  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:04:11am

"These aren't the weatherman I knew."

46 bellamags  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:04:14am

Anyone want to move to Chile if Obama gets it?

47 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:04:18am

re: #31 Killgore Trout

Koskidz: Ayers and Obama: Half-snark


Progressive!

In light of the upcoming socialist revolution, I call dibs on this tool's house and car. I need them more than he does.

48 realwest  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:04:24am

re: #28 Occasional Reader
Hi Occasional Reader! Huh, it fits with Obama's overall economic plan however. If you took out say a $500,000 mortgage but can only afford to pay say, 4% on $400,000 and the bank has to forgoe that "extra" $100,000, under current tax law and IRS regulation, that $100,000 is considered forgiveness of debt and is taxable income for the poor homeowner!
Just great, wonderful thinking by Biden and Obama.

49 bellamags  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:04:52am

re: #47 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

In light of the upcoming socialist revolution, I call dibs on this tool's house and car. I need them more than he does.

LOL.

50 JohnAdams  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:05:16am

re: #32 Adrenalyn

The memory is deep of all the libtard crap shoved in our faces for lo these many years.

51 tfc3rid  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:05:35am

Obama, what with his associations and past and potential election, makes me believe now, more than ever, that his 'change' being bandied about is actually a bloodless, legal, coup d'etat meant to redeisn America in the image of Europe, through passage of socialist laws, thought police, redistribution of wealth, Supremem Court justices, etc...

And of course, with a strong Dem Congress, passing bills such as the Fairness Doctrine as well as prosecution of the Bush Administration, it will work to demoralize, us... We are going to be a opposition... We are going to be the remaining bastion of what American and her Constitution is all about...

52 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:05:40am

re: #46 bellamags

Anyone want to move to Chile if Obama gets it?

Kragaristan will be accepting immigrants under the condition they join the Ever Victorious Army of Kragaristan.

53 bellamags  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:06:08am

re: #52 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

What will my responsibilities entail?

54 sparrowlake  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:06:36am

re: #31 Killgore Trout

Koskidz: Ayers and Obama: Half-snark
Progressive!

Has anyone considered whether the market crash is deepening because Obama has now pulled ahead in the polls? The timing does seem a bit coincidental...nah, it couldn't be....

55 Cartman  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:06:58am

IMO, the Ayers association will continue to slide off Obama. The media has so effectively coated him with Teflon that it will actually take something much worse than this to knock him off of his heavenly throne. BHO is the Anointed One, and must be protected at all costs.

56 FrogMarch  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:06:59am

re: #31 Killgore Trout

Koskidz: Ayers and Obama: Half-snark

Progressive!

Wow that's depressing. The communists are about to take over.

57 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:06:59am

re: #53 bellamags

What will my responsibilities entail?

Crush the enemy.
See them driven before.
Hear the lamentation of the women.
BYOB.

58 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:07:31am

Prosecutorial misconduct freed Ayers. Was there a no prejudice ruling?
Should we not be demanding that a new investigation/prosecution commence.

59 realwest  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:07:35am

re: #37 lawhawk
Well look - you know it's WORKED for Ayers, why the hell should he drop his posuer stance now? He is, after all, the ultimate tough guy warrior against the system.
Living in a mansion in Hyde Park (Chicago's version of Central Park South). Throwing fund raisers/meet and greets for people he doesn't really know like Barack Hussein Obama.
He's no longer a spoke in the wheels of the system, lawhawk, he's a WHEEL in the system itself.

60 Jetpilot1101  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:07:36am

re: #46 bellamags

Anyone want to move to Chile if Obama gets it?

Nope, I'm staying here and fighting my ass off for my country! There is no way I'm letting a wet-behind-the-ears socialist/communist destoy this great country with handouts to lazy S*%$heads who want the world but won't work a day in their life to get it. No way, I'm making sure Obama only has one term if he gets even that.

61 Son Of The Godfather  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:07:57am

Check out this quote from Bloomberg:

Ironically, Palin's charges about Obama's link to Ayers -- whose group carried out bombings of government buildings in the early 1970s -- was based on an article this weekend in the New York Times, a paper the campaign of Republican presidential candidate John McCain has said shows a ``willful disregard for the truth.''

Uh, no. It was not "based on" the NYSlimes whitewash, it was based on Obama's terrorist associations.
I really effing hate the MSM.

62 tfc3rid  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:08:02am

re: #18 ab_irato

A terrorist by any other name...

Come on, Ayers is NOT a terrorist because he isn't Muslim -- Obama campaign, stretching...

/sarc

63 bellamags  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:08:34am

re: #57 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I am a woman, btw. I am up for crushing the enemy. Can the uniform for the men be bare chests and kilts?

64 bosforus  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:08:35am

OT
Been having a dilly of a pickle of a time logging on this morning. Ended up having to reset my password. Maybe now I'll be able to log in at home, since for some odd reason I haven't been able to for the past few months.

65 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:08:58am

Mark Davis,,my local boy,sitting in for Rush today.

66 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:09:02am

re: #1 JamesTKirk

The Weathermen were not as harmless as the Weathergirls, AP.

Depends upon whether you want it to rain bombs or men.

67 dahozho  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:09:07am

I can relate to this essay-- having lived through my dad's death threats (murder for hire and other nasty cases) and general threats to the judiciary. This is serious. Its not fun to have to be on guard all the time-- paying attention to surroundings, people, etc. People ask me (when I make a comment about something new or someone's behavior) "How come you notice things like this?" You HAVE to do this when people with the means and intent really could be out to kill you.

The really scary thing about Ayers? The SDS is making a comeback on college campuses. Sorry I don't have the link, but there was a recent article about how old-time SDS members have changed their name and are recruiting again. Although supposedly the kids attending these meetings are in charge, an old-time SDS member is apparently on hand for all meetings. Given the 'progressive' indoctrination levels in the education system, there are probably even more kids vunerable to these people now.

Spit.

68 Occasional Reader  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:09:08am

re: #41 Oldasdirt

John Murtagh to me is a scum bag

Why do you say that?

69 realwest  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:09:18am

re: #39 shug
"I never thought I would see a man I respected less in office than Bill Clinton Jimmy Carter."
There fixed that for.........uh, wait a minute, hmmm, I think we have a tie here between Willie and Jimmah!

70 bellamags  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:09:35am

re: #60 Jetpilot1101

(aw shucks, you made me feel guilty). I will stay as well and hang on like a pit bull.

71 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:09:45am

re: #62 tfc3rid

Come on, Ayers is NOT a terrorist because he isn't Muslim -- Obama campaign, stretching...

/sarc

"Hey. come on. Who here hasn't blown up a few judges or government offices? Show of hands. Dont be shy."

/next campaign stop

72 Son Of The Godfather  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:09:45am

re: #61 Son Of The Godfather

Check out this quote from Bloomberg:


Uh, no. It was not "based on" the NYSlimes whitewash, it was based on Obama's terrorist associations.
I really effing hate the MSM.


I mean holy sh*t... they make it sound like the NYSlimes broke this story. Jeeeez

73 Occasional Reader  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:09:58am

re: #57 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Crush the enemy.
See them driven before.
Hear the lamentation of the women.
BYOB.

Can I sign up for the 1st Comforting The Lamenting Enemy Women Brigade?

74 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:10:22am

Hannity's America last night was absolutely Excellent.
Obama & Friends: History of Radicalism

75 DeafDog  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:10:28am

re: #46 bellamags

Anyone want to move to Chile if Obama gets it?

I'm thinking Phillipines

76 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:10:36am

Ayers will be the Commanding Officer of 0bama's 'Civilian National Security Force'.

77 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:10:44am

re: #63 bellamags

I am a woman, btw. I am up for crushing the enemy. Can the uniform for the men be bare chests and kilts?

Only if it can be the same for the ladies. Equality, you know.

78 jill e  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:10:51am

Three of his confederates, including his then girlfriend Diana Oughton, were accidentally killed when the explosive they were building to Ayers specifications (Ayers was a bomb designer) went off during construction. As noted in Ayers' Discover the Networks profile, the explosive had been a nail bomb. Back when Ayers was being more honest about his intentions, he admitted that the purpose of that bomb had been to murder United States soldiers:

That bomb had been intended for detonation at a dance that was to be attended by army soldiers at Fort Dix, New Jersey. Hundreds of lives could have been lost had the plan been successfully executed. Ayers attested that the bomb would have done serious damage, "tearing through windows and walls and, yes, people too."

Packing a bomb with nails really speaks to "institutions," doesn't it?

79 shug  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:11:05am

re: #69 realwest

"I never thought I would see a man I respected less in office than Bill Clinton Jimmy Carter."
There fixed that for.........uh, wait a minute, hmmm, I think we have a tie here between Willie and Jimmah!

Yes I think we do.
Absolute incompetence on one hand, and absolute lowlife on the other.

80 zato  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:11:06am

The McCain campaign ought to keep pointing out this distubing link and also that there's no excuse for a patriot to be befriending a terrorist. No matter how old one was when the terrorist was committing the acts of terrorism.
The media cannot hide Barry's skeleton-packed-closet for too long! Talk about October Surprise.

81 tfc3rid  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:11:14am

re: #39 shug

The Election of Barack Hussein Obama to the same office held by real American patriots will be a national disgrace.

I never thought I would see a man I respected less in office than Bill Clinton.

but he's changed all that

Agree...

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abe Lincoln, Andrew Jackson, Teddy Roosevelt, Ronalde Reagan... Same breath potentially as Barack Hussein Obama...

our citizenry is disgraceful...

82 yesandno  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:11:38am

Rich LIberal Children with guilt.

They are the creators and speaders of terrorism...not the poor rising up...but the rich looking down and keeping them down while telling them no need to come up cause they are already there and they see everything and they will tell them what to do.

SPIT.

83 rw in san diego  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:11:40am

I remember when this happened in New York. My father was a member of the NYPD at the time. These events took place just before he retired. When you consider that these murderers are respected faculty members and academic elites who are in a position to exert influence over children through the public education system demonstrates just how convoluted our ethics and moral judgement have become.

84 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:11:43am

re: #73 Occasional Reader

Can I sign up for the 1st Comforting The Lamenting Enemy Women Brigade?

We do that at the Comforting the Lamented Barn Dance after the fight.

85 Occasional Reader  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:11:58am

re: #66 Honorary Yooper

Depends upon whether you want it to rain bombs or men.

Rep. Barney Frank could not be reached for comment.

86 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:12:15am

re: #68 Occasional Reader

Why do you say that?

Because he lied about our troops being killers.And has never taken it back,even after being proved he was wrong.

87 Pyrocles  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:12:34am

"Palin's whole allegation was simply racist, anyway of course. Terrorists....dark skin...get it? Terrrorists are usually dark-skinned...Arabs...Muslims....Obama is black...get it? You're a racist for even making this connection! Ayers' white skin makes no difference!" -Obama campaign.

re: #62 tfc3rid

Come on, Ayers is NOT a terrorist because he isn't Muslim -- Obama campaign, stretching...

/sarc

88 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:12:37am
89 jwb7605  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:13:22am

re: #67 dahozho

[SNIP]
The SDS is making a comeback on college campuses. Sorry I don't have the link, but there was a recent article about how old-time SDS members have changed their name and are recruiting again. Although supposedly the kids attending these meetings are in charge, an old-time SDS member is apparently on hand for all meetings. Given the 'progressive' indoctrination levels in the education system, there are probably even more kids vunerable to these people now.

Spit.


That explains a ton of stuff I'm seeing that makes no sense to me.
Do they still call themselves Students for a Democratic Society?

90 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:13:50am

re: #46 bellamags

Anyone want to move to Chile if Obama gets it?

Fuck that. I'm staying here and fighting.

91 Cartman  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:14:00am

No matter what your reservations might be, please get out there and volunteer with McCain's campaign if you possibly can, Lizards. It may be a long time before you will be afforded the opportunity to do something like this again.

92 Occasional Reader  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:14:03am

re: #86 Oldasdirt

Because he lied about our troops being killers.And has never taken it back,even after being proved he was wrong.

Um, I think you're thinking of John Murtha.

93 sparrowlake  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:14:34am

re: #69 realwest

"I never thought I would see a man I respected less in office than Bill Clinton Jimmy Carter."
There fixed that for.........uh, wait a minute, hmmm, I think we have a tie here between Willie and Jimmah!

Up here in Canada, I remember watching CNN during the last year of Jimmah and SEETHING every time Lou Dobbs posted the number of days since the embassy hostages were taken. I don't think any President will ever surpass the lack of respect which Carter earned during that period.

94 realwest  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:15:13am

re: #76 experiencedtraveller Uh, no. That would make Ayer's a legitimate target under war as we would see it. Ayers hasn't got the guts to face off with someone - bombs have always been the preferred choice of murder by cowards, not warriors.

95 dahozho  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:15:24am

re: #89 jwb7605

No, they're using a different name-- still trying to find that article again. Makes no difference, appears that the goals will still be the same.

96 yma o hyd  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:15:46am

Not totally OT:
Obama highlights McCain scandal - just as some wise Lizards predicted this weekend ...

97 realwest  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:16:20am

re: #92 Occasional Reader
Excuse me, but that's John Fucking Murtha.
Thank you kindly.

98 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:16:39am

re: #92 Occasional Reader

Um, I think you're thinking of John Murtha.

I think your right.

99 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:16:39am

re: #86 Oldasdirt

Because he lied about our troops being killers.And has never taken it back,even after being proved he was wrong.

Thats the congressman, Murtha. Completey different guy. Murtha was a grown man when the guy here was a kid.

100 Occasional Reader  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:17:01am

re: #97 realwest

Excuse me, but that's John Fucking Murtha.
Thank you kindly.

One of the few ex-Marines.

101 ArmyWife  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:19:01am

re: #63 bellamags

You know, sometimes warrior chests and legs should just remain covered up. For safety reasons.

/specifically over the age of 40 warriors. Unless they are mutants like George Looney and something tells me George isn't going to be a member of this elite force of Victorious Kragarziacks.

102 Ben Hur  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:20:00am

New York One referred to Ayers as an Activist.

103 Spellcheck  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:20:14am

re: #89 jwb7605

That explains a ton of stuff I'm seeing that makes no sense to me.
Do they still call themselves Students for a Democratic Society?

Don't know about that, but these are YouTubes from a SDS reunion last year, featuring Bernardine and Bill. There are two for each of them, but I'll just post the first link and the others are in the video sidebar.

Notice Bernardine in her second video at about 5 minutes in, talking about hope and change. They're not using bombs these days, but they haven't changed a bit.

SDS Reunion 11/30/07

104 dahozho  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:20:16am

Ok, not the article I was looking for, but I was mistaken-- apparently SDS has made a comeback-- SDS name and all:

[Link: media.www.diamondbackonline.com...]

105 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:20:55am

re: #92 Occasional Reader

Putting on my glasses now.

106 ArmyWife  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:21:00am

re: #98 Oldasdirt

I think your right.

Nevermind.

just helping out.

107 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:21:08am
108 yesandno  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:21:16am

re: #54 sparrowlake

Has anyone considered whether the market crash is deepening because Obama has now pulled ahead in the polls? The timing does seem a bit coincidental...nah, it couldn't be....


Much truth here.... And don't think for a minute the Dem powers that be are above ruining the economy just to win an election. Hell, power is power and they will make up their retirement funds within days of an Obama win.

109 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:21:41am

buzzsawmonkey,

A week or so ago, I said--only half jokingly--that Obama was holding out for The Alternative Energy Source That Violates the Laws of Both Physics and Economics.

An overt statement by Biden that the Obama ticket does in fact fully intend to violate the laws of economics with regards to mortgages--i.e., continuing and magnifying the very errors that created the current financial crisis--somewhat takes the bloom off that chuckle.

It appears that the Obama Program is to change the USA from the Great Satan into the Great North Korea.

Biden said that? What a juchebag.

110 NR Pax  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:22:16am

The annoying part is that even if this article received widespread coverage, it would not get through to anyone on the other side. It's more important to Fight The Man than actually pay attention.

111 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:23:17am
112 pink freud  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:23:35am

re: #67 dahozho


The really scary thing about Ayers? The SDS is making a comeback on college campuses. Sorry I don't have the link

See this article "Minnesota Students for a Democratic Society"

Also, a google search for Students for a Democratic Society and college campus returns over 2 million hits.

113 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:24:29am

re: #94 realwest

My #76 was ridicule, RW. (Actually a double ridicule for the idea and for Ayers...) Maybe I need a tag? /R

I agree with your sentiments.

114 Just_A_Grunt  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:24:42am

And the difference between Timothy McVeigh and William Ayers is?

115 realwest  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:24:55am

re: #110 NR Pax Yep, even
though Ayers and Dohrn are part of "the Man" now.

116 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:25:32am
117 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:25:53am

re: #46 bellamags

Anyone want to move to Chile if Obama gets it?

Sure. They already went through the whole "democratically electing a marxist who will destroy the country's ecomomy & institutions" thing back in the 1970s.

118 realwest  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:26:04am

re: #114 Just_A_Grunt
Ayers is a free man, and a Big Deal, obviously, in Chicago politics and the US Education system.

119 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:26:10am
120 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:26:38am
121 yesandno  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:26:47am

re: #114 Just_A_Grunt

And the difference between Timothy McVeigh and William Ayers is?


To that demographic, McVeigh was successful. Ayers an also ran.

122 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:27:02am

re: #102 Ben Hur

New York One referred to Ayers as an Activist.

Well, at least they can't call him a "youth."

123 Occasional Reader  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:29:11am

re: #117 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Sure. They already went through the whole "democratically electing a marxist who will destroy the country's ecomomy & institutions" thing back in the 1970s.

I can recommend Santiago. It's a pretty nice city.

124 lifeofthemind  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:29:40am

Later friends

125 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:29:47am
126 3 wood  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:30:55am

OT: Dow down 500 points.

127 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:31:45am

There does not seem to be any way to bring Ayers to trial, and justice can ONLY be done by way of a public and fair trial -- the kind of procedure he was adamantly unwilling to give to others. That said, Ayers stands all-but-convicted.

I believe Utah still has the firing squad. I would like a trial to be possible ... AND held there.

/posted after many self-deletions

128 3 wood  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:32:11am

Also, crude drops to below $90

129 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:33:50am

Any bets that Ayers will be Secty of Education uncer President Obama?

130 abolitionist  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:34:05am
UPDATE at 10/6/08 9:00:34 am:

The Sydney Morning Herald calls Ayers a “former anti-Vietnam war militant.”

In 1969, Dohrn delivered a Declaration of War against the United States, identifying herself by name in that audio.

In 2004, she and Ayers said We are still in a state of war.... it's not over.

[Link: archive.redstate.com...]

Scroll down and play the video (just below)

"I'm not committed to non-violence in any way,"

Bernandine Dohrn 1969

I found this by searching Dohrn+"white babies". See top of the page.

Charles, also on the tape, a brunette identified as Naomi says "I'd do it again" --a sentiment echoed/confirmed by two others, presumably Dohrn and Ayers, at 08:11.

131 abolitionist  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:34:55am

PIMF: tape video

132 3 wood  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:35:20am

S&P500 down 56 points, gold up $30

Also the Russian stock market dropped 16% and closed for the day.

133 HDrepub  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:37:56am

Ayers got off because his daddy had lots of money. Had he been someone with no money he would still be in prison, unless of course he got pardoned along with Weather(wo)men Rosenberg and Evans by Bill Clinton

134 realwest  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:38:01am

re: #123 Occasional Reader
I've heard that Buenos Aires is a pretty city too (different country, of course!).

135 Jethroc  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:38:48am

Regarding the media's defense of Bill Ayers:

You can put lipstick on a pig.........

136 gymnast  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:44:09am

The fact that William Ayers is a tenured Professor of Education at a state run university (Univ of IL at Chicago) should give one a a basic idea of just how rotten the core of the academy actually is. And to think that the taxpayers of Illinois support THE STEAMING SACK OF SHIT gives one a pretty good idea of some real world problems in our society. It is even more ridiculous that students parents pay so for the privilege of exposing their children to this societal malignancy.

137 wannabuyaduck  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:44:41am

re: #52 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Kragaristan will be accepting immigrants under the condition they join the Ever Victorious Army of Kragaristan.

"Our warriors, in serried ranks assembled,
Never quail—or they conceal it if they can —
And I shouldn't be surprised if nations trembled
Before the mighty troops, the troops of Kragaristan!

(apologies to G&S)

138 Arbalest  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:47:45am

Hot Air has a couple of response video clips, one from Axelrod and another from Robert Gibbs. It seems that the Ayres-Obama connection causes a lot of angst to Obama and company.

The third video (8minutes) shows the current attitude of Ayres and Dohrn, as interviewed by Connie Chung (i.e., a national network TV report). The significance of this particular segment is that it was done AFTER Obama is known to have started associating with Ayres. I wonder just exactly how close this interview was to Ayres’ launching of Obama’s political campaign.

Obvious conclusion: Obama knew about Ayres and Dohrn’e past and had no problem with it.

It looks like this story has the endurance of a marathon runner, but at the speed of a mile runner.

The McCain campaign needs to pound home the association:

That Obama was 8 when Ayres played his game is of no importance. It is the highly-educated 30-something Obama, who pals around with, and got his political career started with, the publicly known and self-advertised, domestic bombers and self-styled revolutionaries Bill Ayres and Bernardine Dohrn.

The economy is indeed a major issue.

Look at Obama’s reliance for advice on several of the principal causers of the melt-down: Jim Johnson (how much job performance bonus?) and Frank Raines (between $26million and $90million in job performance bonuses), both former heads of Fannie Mae, and responsible for todays meltdown.

Let us not allow this mistake to afflict the country further.

What’s Obama’s relationship to Barney Frank and Maxine Waters?

Obama voted against S190 (sponsored by Sen. McCain), a bill that just might have prevented this disaster.

Again, the McCain campaign needs to pound home the association:

Do not let the Democrats continue to distract voters or redefine the issues. It is necessary to play hardball and risk offending people. If this is not done, then McCain will lose.

139 SurferDoc  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:48:12am

re: #127 pre-Boomer Marine brat

There does not seem to be any way to bring Ayers to trial, and justice can ONLY be done by way of a public and fair trial -- the kind of procedure he was adamantly unwilling to give to others. That said, Ayers stands all-but-convicted.

I believe Utah still has the firing squad. I would like a trial to be possible ... AND held there.

/posted after many self-deletions

There is nothing I can say about Ayers today that wouldn't get me banned!

140 rexatosis  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:49:30am

re: #83 rw in San Diego

Few academics, even on the left of the political spectrum, have any "respect" for the likes of Ayers and Dorn. Unfortunately in Higher Education most universities have a couple of wacked out radical departments (almost any hyphenated-studies department, and education being the most common) that hire these idiot revolutionaries and revolutionary wanabees to the chagrin of the rest of the faculty. The gutless wonders in Administration, more worried about movin' on up to the next bigger job at a bigger college or university than the long-term interests of their current institution, just rubber-stamp these idiotic hires all the way through tenure. Once ensconced they burrow into the flesh of academia like a tick on an Alabama bloodhound and just as painful (for the hound) to remove.

141 hbwriter  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:52:36am

Memo to everyone--THE AYERS STORY IS NOT OLD! HE IS STILL FRIENDS WITH HIM BY HIS OWN ADMISSION SO IT IS TOTALLY FAIR GAME! REPEAT--IT IS A CURRENT STORY!

142 Rose Parade  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:53:34am

Sweet Jesus, no one should have to go through what Murtaugh and his family endured. That's just obscene. If I found myself associated with someone who had a background similar to Ayers I'd immediately sever all ties and put as much distance between us as possible. That Obama didn't and still doesn't speaks volumes about his character, and none of it good.

143 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:55:12am

re: #139 SurferDoc

There is nothing I can say about Ayers today that wouldn't get me banned!

re off-the-cuff remarks, at least, it's precisely the same here

/Tonkin Gulf, '63-'66 ... need I say more?

144 wannabuyaduck  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:59:40am

re: #136 gymnast

The fact that William Ayers is a tenured Professor of Education at a state run university (Univ of IL at Chicago) should give one a a basic idea of just how rotten the core of the academy actually is.

I don't get it, I just don't get it. This and the MSM. I could see a few holding these whacked-out views -- but there are now so many. And no shame at all, or Ayers and Olbermann et al. would be outta there. The triumph of Gramsci.

Is there, somewhere, a good site for news in general that is about as fair as currently possible, not overrun with celebrity worship, that has actual news? I am now avoiding every manifestation of the MSM I can, for the sake of my nerve-endings and to avoid giving them any support in any way, shape or size.

145 NR Pax  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:00:17am

re: #115 realwest

Does that mean that they should be blowing themselves up?

146 SurferDoc  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:01:05am

re: #143 pre-Boomer Marine brat

re off-the-cuff remarks, at least, it's precisely the same here

/Tonkin Gulf, '63-'66 ... need I say more?

Same age, same era, Army 64-70

147 Montaigne's Cat  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:02:24am

I met Bill Ayers in 1968.

I was a student at CWRU in Cleveland and attended a small SDS meeting that Ayers and Terry Robbins came to address. Robbins was positively a psychopath. He had hollow rage-filled eyes and meeting him was one of the most profoundly scary encounters in my life. Ayers sat grinning with his stare fixated on some internal images, nodding in agreement as Robbins propounded the need for revolutionary violence. Their message was that change was going to come, by violent means because the democratic process was ineffectual at that particular historical moment.

Ayers' goals have not changed one iota. Robbins died making a bomb that blew up in a NYC brownstone and reduced the building, and himself, to smithereens.

148 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:05:41am

re: #146 SurferDoc

Same age, same era, Army 64-70

Good man

/INSPITE of being Army ... *chuckle*

149 Racer X  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:07:21am

Local ABC affiliate here in L.A. mentioned the Ayers story last night. Referred to him as a "respected college professor".

150 Lawrence Schmerel  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:11:33am
KILL THE LIPSTICK-WEARING PIGS!
151 HippieforLife  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:13:13am

re: #35 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Well, being an aging hippie, I am not forgiving of the Weatherunderground or any of their associates. I remember when they were active and I was scared of them then and I feel no different now.

152 SurferDoc  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:19:45am

re: #148 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Good man

/INSPITE of being Army ... *chuckle*

Nobody's perfect...

153 Archimedes  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:20:32am

Remember, Ayers had no regrets. He still things he should have done more.

Ayers = evil. No way around it.

154 hbwriter  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:24:53am

just in:

Obama Campaign Now Claims Obama Didn't Know About Ayers' Past
"Our Jim Acosta talked with your senior strategist David Axelrod about this. In 1995, William Ayers held kind of a get-to-know you event at his place where he was introducing Barack Obama to the political culture there in Chicago when he was running for the State Senate for the first time. David Axelrod said that at that meeting Senator Obama was not aware of Ayers' radical background." -- CNN's John Roberts

Contact: Press Office, 703-650-5550; [Link: www.JohnMcCain.com...]

MEDIA ADVISORY, October 6 /Standard Newswire/ -- The following is the review of CNN's "American Morning" on October 6, 2008:

CNN's John Roberts: "I just want to try to get to the heart of it so that people at home can understand. Our Jim Acosta talked with your senior strategist David Axelrod about this. In 1995, William Ayers held kind of a get-to-know you event at his place where he was introducing Barack Obama to the political culture there in Chicago when he was running for the State Senate for the first time. David Axelrod said that at that meeting Senator Obama was not aware of Ayers' radical background. Is that true?"

Obama Senior Strategist Robert Gibbs: "Look, if that's what David said, that is true. Look, again, this is a relationship, excuse me, that Barack Obama has condemned the actions of Bill Ayers. This is somebody that The New York Times said Barack Obama's not close to, and, again, John, this is a way of distracting the American people from what's important."

155 Outrider  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:29:38am

Has anyone created a time line for BO yet? A simple graph detailing when BO met and associated with all these "great Americans" (/) There is such an overwhelming body collective of evidence-has anyone thought to compile and put it on a simple graph?

156 HDrepub  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:39:55am

re: #154 hbwriter



Obama Campaign Now Claims Obama Didn't Know About Ayers' Past


If he didn't know about Bill Ayers then he is even dumber than I thought, and surely has no business being President of the USA.

157 RickZ  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:41:13am

re: #78 jill e

Packing a bomb with nails really speaks to "institutions," doesn't it?

That's why they just loooooove the poor, persecuted Palis, the progressives really are into those nail bombs. Maximum collateral damage and all that. Murderous thugs are their icons and heroes, like the long-lasting Che, and that kindly old Arafat.

158 hbwriter  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:41:33am

of course he knew--THEY ARE NOW LYING ABOUT THIS AND NEED TO BE CALLED ON IT!

159 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:42:40am

re: #152 SurferDoc

Nobody's perfect...

*grin*
back in, 20 minutes later, for a final pass.

Just teasing. My dad was career "Old Corps" (joined in '39). I'm ex-Navy. At my wedding, ages ago, my best man was Air Force and the organist (personal friend) was ex-Army. Dad was there too. It was a very interesting event!

160 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:45:08am

re: #155 Outrider

Has anyone created a time line for BO yet? A simple graph detailing when BO met and associated with all these "great Americans" (/) There is such an overwhelming body collective of evidence-has anyone thought to compile and put it on a simple graph?

A link to one was posted up-thread. Scroll back up.

161 SurferDoc  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:48:58am

re: #159 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*grin*
back in, 20 minutes later, for a final pass.

Just teasing. My dad was career "Old Corps" (joined in '39). I'm ex-Navy. At my wedding, ages ago, my best man was Air Force and the organist (personal friend) was ex-Army. Dad was there too. It was a very interesting event!

I worked with/for the AF, Marines and Navy off and on Through 2001. It was enlightening and fun....

162 Spiny Norman  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:58:05am

re: #140 rexatosis

re: #83 rw in San Diego

Few academics, even on the left of the political spectrum, have any "respect" for the likes of Ayers and Dorn. Unfortunately in Higher Education most universities have a couple of wacked out radical departments (almost any hyphenated-studies department, and education being the most common) that hire these idiot revolutionaries and revolutionary wanabees to the chagrin of the rest of the faculty. The gutless wonders in Administration, more worried about movin' on up to the next bigger job at a bigger college or university than the long-term interests of their current institution, just rubber-stamp these idiotic hires all the way through tenure. Once ensconced they burrow into the flesh of academia like a tick on an Alabama bloodhound and just as painful (for the hound) to remove.

The "tick" analogy seems especially appropriate for bloodsuckers like Ayers and Dohrn.

163 nikis-knight  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:02:42am

An "anti-war militant"? Because murder in the name of peace is okay, right?

164 Outrider  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:12:21am

re: #160 pre-Boomer Marine brat

A link to one was posted up-thread. Scroll back up.

(sigh) so many threads-so little time. ;-)> Thanks.

165 Scion9  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:19:44am

re: #114 Just_A_Grunt

And the difference between Timothy McVeigh and William Ayers is?

McVeigh = Imperialist, Capitalist, Anglo-yankee pigdog *spit*
Ayers = Hero of The Revolution *fellate*

/MSM

166 Scion9  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:27:32am

re: #121 yesandno

To that demographic, McVeigh was successful. Ayers an also ran.

That isn't true. 'That demographic' hates McVeigh. McVeigh was a right-winger. We are talking about the guy who enjoyed the change to more Conservative political views as he traveled westward until he hit, in his own terms "The People's Socialist Republic of California".

In easily digestible terms McVeigh was, politically a Paulbot. A strict constitutionalist that would do anything (obviously) to inflict damage on those that he percieved as destroying his vision of what America should be, and that is something completely and totally consistent with the Founding Father's vision.

It might be a good meme to push, but outside of the 'at all costs' terrorist mentality, McVeigh and Ayers couldn't be more different. Diametrically opposed.

167 Scion9  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:51:23am

re: #163 nikis-knight

An "anti-war militant"? Because murder in the name of peace is okay, right?

Right, exactly. Anti-war, pro-murder. As long as one side isn't, or doesn't have the chance to fight back then everything is fine.

You have to remember, that these are people dedicated to the spread and eventual hegemony of Communism, including the MSM goons, the majority of Democrat Pols, and their base of supporters over at Kos, HuffPo, etc.

These are people that have sat down and read Marx, and Lenin and agreed with it. They tacitly admit to themselves and agree that, as Marx laid out in a clearly defined blueprint, genocide is a necessary tool in the accomplishing of their goals. Shooting wars don't accomplish what concentration camps do.

Don't doubt their depravity and inhumanity. The mask slips from time to the mask slips. You have outright lying to the public, day in day out. You have a member of Congress, the Speaker of the House that is a founding member of a congressional caucaus whose stated goals are the removing of the stigma of socialism from American culture in order to facilitate its spread. Not only is this not news, but it isn't news when she gets up in front of a podium and says 'Democrats believe in the free market'. Obviously not all of them Nancy.

America is not to know though, that out and out, Red as the fires of Hell Communists are a month away from running the country in toto, and already have more than a mere foothold.

To them John McCain isn't a hero, or a patriot, or even an honorable man. To them that respect, admiration and even basic human dignity belongs to his captors and torturers. Their ideological kindred and their brothers in arms in The Revolution.

What was Geobbels paradigm? People will believe a Big Lie? Why will they not then believe a Big Truth?

168 BLBfootballs  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 12:02:23pm
The Sydney Morning Herald calls Ayers a “former anti-Vietnam war militant.”

It's amazing how "militant", first introduced as the innocuous euphemism for Arabs who mass-murder Israelis, has now become the catchall term for anybody who, driven by ideology, tries to murder Westerners or those supported by Westerners.

169 nikis-knight  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 12:20:12pm

re: #167 Scion9

Right, exactly. Anti-war, pro-murder. As long as one side isn't, or doesn't have the chance to fight back then everything is fine.

Ah, yes. It's like I say, the opposite of war is peace, but the alternative rarely is. The alternative is one-sided agression, followed by oppression and slavery.
That's what the leftist radicals are for, so long as our foes make the right noises about victimhood and social justice.

170 Ron Shaw  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 12:25:43pm

Get used to it folks because in bho's vision of America total zeros will become heros with Orwellian manipulation by the NYT and the rest of their fellow msm ilk who are ushering in their version of a new world order in America with bho at the helm...sick to the core!

171 LieSeeker  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 12:54:06pm

Palin, in Fort Meyers, again pointed out Obama's claimed Ayers stupidity.

172 TimO  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 1:59:55pm

I also remember the 60s-70s when the homegrown terrorist bombers stalked the campuses and corporations across America.

These were NOT legitimate political protests; they were nothing but a bunch of hooligans and criminals that really should have been shot for their actions.

Giving Ayers attention in the US and world press is exactly what he wanted: attention and tacit approval.

And with ex-Vice Presidents like Al Gore, who recently told the new generation of 'em to use 'civil disobedience' (a code word to the nutballs) to go after coal plants that don't kowtow to his demands, you can pretty much bet that we're going to soon have another generation of 'eco-rebels' who won't stop at blowing up deserted buildings and facilities.

173 MJBrutus  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 3:41:56pm

They called him a "militant." huh? That's pretty strong language. They may want to revise that to "insurgent."

174 Ban Draoi  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:13:45am

When will someone rain some hard justice down on this sociopathic killer?

Hard justice would be he and his harpy wife hung upside down a la Mussolini with nice neat round holes between their eyes and a meat fork jabbed into her stomach with a tag tied to it that states "we have not forgotten."

175 Ledger1  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:11:58am

re: #29 shug

Obama’s new fight slogan:

“Either swim with the Big Turds or stay on the porch!”

176 Clubsec  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 8:40:27am

ObamUH, ... you are a reflection of your friends and associates.
Right?
QED

Don't forget his statement "... my Muslim faith."
(Promptly corrected by short George, within 25 ms of the utterance.) Was NOT a Freudian slip.


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