Waxman on FOX. Now that's a pig that could use a little lipstick.

BUSH IS RUNNING AGAIN!?

/

And then there was this:

"But listen to Ayers interviewed in The New York Times on Sept. 11, 2001, of all days: "I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough."
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

re: #2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sssh! That's a secret until the election is over with.

Nothing to see here!

Move along!

My useful idiots in the MSM, ALL speak the truth!

McCain in a landslide win. That's my poll results.

Relax..... Close your eyes.... now breathe deeply.... in through the nose...... out through the mouth.... in through the nose.... out through the mouth..... now repeat the mantra:

Dewey Defeats Truman.....

Dewey Defeats Truman...

Dewey Defeats Truman...

DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN ! ! !

AAAARARARAAAGHHHHHHHHHHHH! My head is about to explode I am so freaking angry with the media and John McCain...when is he gonna grow a pair?

There is a second-hand feel to this election, yes.

I'm just not sure whether it's because the press is so far in the tank or because I'm watching McCain do a worse job even than Bush.

re: #9 Dianna

There is a second-hand feel to this election, yes.

I'm just not sure whether it's because the press is so far in the tank or because I'm watching McCain do a worse job even than Bush.

Both darling.

It's all the (Oprah) Secret.

Think and act as if you are already the prez, and you will be.

It's time for the McCain camp to start publicizing the number of hit pieces on McCain vs. those on Obama, and the number of pieces favorable to McCain vs. those for Obama.

Let's try to unstack the media deck.

The McCain camp needs to start including well-known, but un-publicized, facts, at every speech, press release, amd interview:

- Frank Raines, (former?) Obama advisor, received $26million (ore $()million?) in job performance bonuses at Fannie Mae, even though people are losing their homes as a result of his job performance.

- Obama palled around with Ayres when Obama was a 30-something lawyer, and Ayres was still a sanctimonious radical (see Connie Chung's interview).

re: #8 cblesz

AAAARARARAAAGHHHHHHHHHHHH! My head is about to explode I am so freaking angry with the media and John McCain...when is he gonna grow a pair?

If he could answer you directly he'd say: They're growing in now and should be full grown by 6:00 PM EST tomorrow night.

I know everybody thinks I'm a Gloomy Gus these days but I'm not counting on the polls being wrong.

The point of the First Amendment was to protect the right of the people, including what we now call the Media, to speak and publish the truth, no matter how unpleasant it may be to those in (or wishing to be in) government.

The problem is not only is this right being openly abused but any attempt to deal with this abuse would only create a power that will with absolute certainty be abused by the other party should it regain power over us.

I thought the heading was referring to our economy being toast.

Where do I get in line for my soup and crust?

re: #2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

BUSH IS RUNNING AGAIN!?

/

According to Obama and Biden he is. McBush, McSame, Bush III, etc.

I have some nicknames for the other side though; V.I. Biden, Barack Hussein O'Stalin, Barry Guevara, Ho Chi Biden, etc.

re: #14 Killgore Trout

I know everybody thinks I'm a Gloomy Gus these days but I'm not counting on the polls being wrong.

I thought you were being a realist.

There's a difference between likely voters and people who actually vote. That's where I see the discrepancy in the polls

re: #11 Ben Hur

It's all the (Oprah) Secret.

Think and act as if you are already the prez, and you will be.

What if you act older than you look, above the fray as if you don't know or don't care, and indifferent to your opponent's major liabilities?

Wow the MSM is getting desperate. Obama has less of a lead than both Kerry and Gore had at this point, and they both lost. That is what is worrying them right now. They are deathly afraid that he is not going to win at this point and are doing everything in their power to skew any poll anywhere in the country. Sort of like Dan Blather trying to "throw" a national election with documents he knew were fake.

Same thing different election year.

re: #14 Killgore Trout

I know everybody thinks I'm a Gloomy Gus these days but I'm not counting on the polls being wrong.

You're right, don't count on it. Get out and fight no matter what McCain says or does. I'm going down to the local Republican campaign office tomorrow to volunteer.

re: #20 Nevergiveup

What if you act older than you look, above the fray as if you don't know or don't care, and indifferent to your opponent's major liabilities?

Well, you can still snarl and give the pentagonal double thumbs up.

re: #14 Killgore Trout

I know everybody thinks I'm a Gloomy Gus these days but I'm not counting on the polls being wrong.

So you're not voting?

Except Bush did lead in a few polls. My memory may not be 100%, but as I recall, Bush in the last week's of the campaign made steady progress. But then on the last weekend of the campaign Gore got the momentum. The key was the release of the information that Bush had had a DUI in his past, strategically released at the last minute to do the maximum damage. Without that revelation, I don't think it would have been close.

Still the momentum over the past 9 - 10 days has been all Obama. If we're to see a replay of 2000, we need to see some movement from McCain.

With the economy and media, I'm skeptical that that will happen.

I hope I'm wrong.

re: #24 Celtic Templar

Nope. I'm just not impressed by McCain and Oregon isn't a swing state.

I talked to a woman in my neighborhood with a McCain sign last night, we had a great conversation, something like half an hour. I'm making a point of introducing myself to McCain supporters in my neighborhood. I've seen more and more McCain signs popping up. They outnumber the Obama signs now. I have a 2 or 3 new stops to make on the way home tonight.

re: #22 Tigger2005

You're right, don't count on it. Get out and fight no matter what McCain says or does. I'm going down to the local Republican campaign office tomorrow to volunteer.

I'm taking the next 2 days off work to do the same.

Obama will lose, and the Dems will find a Dem Palin clone to run next time around.

Think about what they ran on last time.

And how none of what they said then were the most important qualifications matter now.

I'd love to hear Walter Williams on Rush. Not this Mark Davis character.

re: #11 Ben Hur

It's all the (Oprah) Secret.

Think and act as if you are already the prez, and you will be.

Yup. Ok this is double hearsay. I know a guy in the McCain Campaign , who knows a guy in the Obama Campaign. He said that Barry believes that he is alredy the President & acts accordingly.
He believes thet the election is an annoying formality. Apparently even the Obama guy is creeped out.

re: #25 dhg4

Except Bush did lead in a few polls. My memory may not be 100%, but as I recall, Bush in the last week's of the campaign made steady progress. But then on the last weekend of the campaign Gore got the momentum. The key was the release of the information that Bush had had a DUI in his past, strategically released at the last minute to do the maximum damage. Without that revelation, I don't think it would have been close.

Still the momentum over the past 9 - 10 days has been all Obama. If we're to see a replay of 2000, we need to see some movement from McCain.

With the economy and media, I'm skeptical that that will happen.

I hope I'm wrong.

Actually, IIRC, it was Carl Cameron of Fox News that first reported on that DWI.

re: #25 dhg4

"Bush had had a DUI in his past, strategically released at the last minute to do the maximum damage."

Interesting to line that up against Obama's admitted coke and marijuana use; what was seen as damaging to a Republican candidate is a big yawn producer for a Dem.

The problem is that we are simply too nice. We are too civilized.

We need to face the fact that what we are up against are the new barbarians. We are up against people who believe (even if they don't admit it) that the rest of us are no better than livestock that they can use or are diseased animals fit only for extermination. That is why such regimes when they obtain power always run up body counts in the thousands or the millions.

When are we going to take the gloves off?

re: #28 taxfreekiller

Faith is very overrated. I prefer reason and logic.

Don't give up yet. It' aint over.

BTW - My Palin Derangement Syndrome photo essay seems to be back up and running at Ringo's Pictures

What I find interesting is a lack of bumper stickers and yard signs...in 2004, there were many more signs in yards, and though I am rural, they were clearly evident. Not so this year. As for bumper stickers, my area has a big volume of traffic from both MO & IL, mostly from the St. Louis & Kansas City areas, and yet, I see almost no bumper stickers. Interesting...

Here's an ad idea for McCain:

In his 20s, John McCain was trying to get away from Communists.
[show videos and pictures of him in prison]

In his 20s, Barack Obama was trying to befriend Communists.
[show this "To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist Professors"]

Barack Obama continues to choose his friends carefully.
[show Ayers pic standing on the flag, a quote from Ayers "I didn't do enough", plus Wright saying "GD America"]

re: #31 Ben Hur

I agree that Barry will lose. I'd even put $$ on that if I could only get through all the signing up procedures on Intrade.com (hell of a lot easier to get a mortgage...).

But I disagree on 2012. It will be Hillary for the Dems.

re: #39 Researcher...MO

What I find interesting is a lack of bumper stickers and yard signs..

My daughter asked me why there are no Obama yard signs. I told her Obama people didn't have homes.

re: #14 Killgore Trout

I feel the same way. We dodged a bullet in both 2000 and 2004. I don't think that we will be able to do it for a 3rd time. I just don't feel at all good about our chances. Especially given McCain's recent announcements about abandoning MI and not wanting to bring up Wright. You don't win by retreating and by disarming yourself!

I'm sorry to be such a downer, but I just don't see gentleman Johnny getting it done.

re: #38 Ringo the Gringo

Huh. They're really obsessed with her winking.

re: #35 jaunte

The strategy for the late game here is to run lots of ads asking who you'd rather buy a second hand car from, McCain or Barry?

And McCain will do just that.

Ignore all polls except Zogby. He's the only one with a good track record.

re: #44 Killgore Trout

You betcha they are.

Unless I'm misremebering, Bush won by 1 state in 2000, and that was after 8 years of a Democratic administration. With the Democrats out of the White House for the last 8 years there is ample reason to think the tables are now turned. And Gore did not have nearly the same cult of personality as BHO.

I loves me some toast.

re: #31 Ben Hur

Obama will lose, and the Dems will find a Dem Palin clone to run next time around.

Think about what they ran on last time.

And how none of what they said then were the most important qualifications matter now.

That raises an interesting question. Ayers et al may be McCain's October Surprise for BO, but what little bit of political unpleasantness are The Clintons going to throw his way?

And when will they throw it?

I'm sure Bill and Hill are already planning for 2012 and I'm equally sure that the first point on their agenda is making sure BO is sent off to the political equivalent of Siberia.

are you saying McCain is going to use Karl Rove to brain-ray Florida into voting for him?

re: #42 faraway

My daughter asked me why there are no Obama yard signs. I told her Obama people didn't have homes.

Just tell her to look for forclosed homes. Those are the Obama homes.

re: #42 faraway

My daughter asked me why there are no Obama yard signs. I told her Obama people didn't have homes.

I haven't seen too many Obama signs around here, near Chicago, but there are the bumper sitckers. Now, on the other hand, I have seen a ton of McCain yard signs. I even have one.

re: #44 Killgore Trout

Huh. They're really obsessed with her winking.

Actually, I had not even noticed that she liked to wink, but it really seems to drive these folks nutty.

Bush/Cheney 08!

re: #42 faraway

My daughter asked me why there are no Obama yard signs. I told her Obama people didn't have homes.

ouch...that had to leave a mark.

re: #27 Killgore Trout

Nope. I'm just not impressed by McCain and Oregon isn't a swing state.

As much as I like you dude, that statement just lowered my opinion of you dramatically.

I've known people who were dissuaded to vote by the murders of their parents. You take your freedoms for granted.

Don't pay any attention to polls. It's useless.

Pay attention to what the media are doing. The election is about a month away. Some time in the next 3 to 3 1/2 weeks, a major news outlet will launch an unsubstantiated hit-piece on McCain. We all know this is going to happen. CBS/Dan Rather last time. Who's it going to be this time? I'm guessing NBC but that's an obvious choice.

The NYT just launched their pre-emptive whitewash of Ayers - they want to get that behind them to make it old news by election time.

re: #38 Ringo the Gringo

I would be flattered to have those f-ing morons hate me.

re: #8 cblesz

AAAARARARAAAGHHHHHHHHHHHH! My head is about to explode I am so freaking angry with the media and John McCain...when is he gonna grow a pair?

I don't blame McCain for selectively taking the high road but where in the hell are his surrogates?

Where are the 527's? Where are his attack dogs?

Dear John McCain-

Right now, as we are losing our homes, our jobs, our retirement savings, our kids' college education funds, as we head into the typically slow financial season..............you and Caribou Barbie are throwing mud at the wrong target: Ayers, Wright and terrorism. While that stuff is fundamentally important, we expect the President to address those issues as relevant to national security. They are not campaign issues.

Pull your head out and start coming out strong about what government can do to support this collapsing economy without strangling business.

I DO NOT CARE what is happening in Iraq. It is already a money pit, filled with ungrateful arabs who will crap on us the second we leave anyway.

re: #50 CIA Reject

I'm sure Bill and Hill are already planning for 2012 .

Very good point. It might be in their best interest to see Barak lose. /conspiracy mode off/

re: #42 faraway
LOL! Around here, I imagine many don't, but then again, around here, I don't think there are too many. A few. One that I know supporting bambi stated the oft heard "I want change" as a resonse to my question of why he's volting for bambi, and no, he couldn't tell me what that meant. Of a married couple I know who have a daughter in the Military and are voting for bambi, they have advanced BDS. Most people here are conservative though, of 6 women in my office, 4 are stated Republicans, and we're all voting McCain/Palin. The 2 Dem women are mostly silent...

re: #46 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Ignore all polls except Zogby. He's the only one with a good track record.

Didn't Zogby have Kerry beating Bush in 2004? Rasmussen is usually correct.

re: #39 Researcher...MO

What I find interesting is a lack of bumper stickers and yard signs...

One reason you don't see many McCain bumper stickers in some areas is the threat of having your car keyed.

McCain has all the fight in him that Bob Dole had. We are toast this time.

re: #58 DaChew

I agree with you. The MSM is systematically destroying this country. What can we do? They alone will be responsible for the destruction of this country.

re: #53 Honorary Yooper

I haven't seen too many Obama signs around here, near Chicago, but there are the bumper sitckers. Now, on the other hand, I have seen a ton of McCain yard signs. I even have one.

Check the cemetarys. I'm sure more than a few plots are Obama supporters.

re: #36 The Other Les

The problem is that we are simply too nice. We are too civilized.

We need to face the fact that what we are up against are the new barbarians. We are up against people who believe (even if they don't admit it) that the rest of us are no better than livestock that they can use or are diseased animals fit only for extermination. That is why such regimes when they obtain power always run up body counts in the thousands or the millions.

When are we going to take the gloves off?

Here are the rules that they follow:

The Alinksky Manifesto:

RULE 1: "Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have."
Power is derived from 2 main sources - money and people. "Have-Nots" must build power from flesh and blood. (These are two things of which there is a plentiful supply. Government and corporations always have a difficult time appealing to people, and usually do so almost exclusively with economic arguments.)

RULE 2: "Never go outside the expertise of your people."
It results in confusion, fear and retreat.
Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone. (Organizations under attack wonder why radicals don't address the "real" issues. This is why. They avoid things with which they have no knowledge.)

RULE 3: "Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy."
Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)

RULE 4: "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."
If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules. (This is a serious rule. The besieged entity's very credibility and reputation is at stake, because if activists catch it lying or not living up to its commitments, they can continue to chip away at the damage.)

RULE 5: "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon."
There is no defense. It's irrational. It's infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)

RULE 6: "A good tactic is one your people enjoy."
They'll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They're doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones. (Radical activists, in this sense, are no different that any other human being. We all avoid "un-fun" activities, and but we revel at and enjoy the ones that work and bring results.)

RULE 7: "A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag."
Don't become old news. (Even radical activists get bored. So to keep them excited and involved, organizers are constantly coming up with new tactics.)

RULE 8: "Keep the pressure on. Never let up."
Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new. (Attack, attack, attack from all sides, never giving the reeling organization a chance to rest, regroup, recover and re-strategize.)

RULE 9: "The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself."
Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist.

RULE 10: "If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive."
Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog.

re: #62 so.cal.swede

Very good point. It might be in their best interest to see Barak lose. /conspiracy mode off/

Yes. good point. There is no way she will get elected if Barry gets it and screws it up.

If we've learned one thing in the past eight years, it's that the MSM doesn't have a shred of credibility left. The more they tell is that the race is over, the harder we should fight.

re: #38 Ringo the Gringo

Thanks for the pics.

It's always the usual suspects playing the role of the wackos. I mean would you buy a used car from any of those people in those pics (minus the signs and t-shirts)?

I think the polls are worthless, at least at this time. We've all noted the "weighting" of the polls with more democrats than republicans. There was a Rasmussen poll taken over the weekend about who won the debate. Take a look at the first question:
1* How much of the Vice-Presidential Debate did you watch live last night?

58% All of it

19% Most of it

14% Some of it

8% None of it

1% Not sure

Good grief! This is supposedly reputable pollster and yet, they are included folks who didn't watch the debate, and the totally clueless in their polling data.

Just like four years ago, anything can happen, and nobody really knows the outcome yet of course. I remember how confident all of the liberal degenerates were last time around, and we all know how that went. A few of the liberal degenerates even committed suicide after their extremely pathetic candidate lost.

Degenerate liberals are even more confident this time around, and an Obama defeat would certainly come as a shock to these brainwashed simpletons. I wonder if any of the Liberal predictions and their threats will come true, such as riots........

When Barack Obama's socialist, degenerate cousin in Kenya, Raila Odinga, lost the election, deadly riots were instigated in that country. Obama supporters in this country might not have machetes at their disposal, but I expect a whole bunch of them to just lose it in the case of an Obama loss.

re: #14 Killgore Trout

Hi! Welcome back!

I'm not giving up. Even if I'm worried.

re: #65 ErnieG

One reason you don't see many McCain bumper stickers in some areas is the threat of having your car keyed.

but see, that's just political mischievousness.

If someone keyed an obama-stickered car, it would be the equivalent of an effigy hanging of Barry'O.

I still feel this way much of the time....

re: #43 MJBrutus

...I'm sorry to be such a downer, but I just don't see gentleman Johnny getting it done.

Since McCain has, in the past, cross the aisle in bipartisan ways, I wonder if the left has something on him, anything, that is causing him to treat Obama with kid gloves?

re: #44 Killgore Trout

Huh. They're really obsessed with her winking.

Female moonbats think Palin got where she got by being flirty.

Fall seven times, stand up eight. ~Japanese Proverb

The gf and I drove up to Orange County NY over the past weekend for some apple picking and noticed a lot of yeard signs on people's lawns... I would say by a 3-1 margin, they were McCain-Palin signs... Surprising considering a decent portion of those folks commute and work in NYC and I am fairly sure that area goes for Dems...

That said, I am voting for McCain and trying torelay the message to others to vote for John McCain mainly because the other option is not palateable... However, I really, really do not see it happening. I don't think the polls are wrong and I actually think this time, the youth vote will come out for The One..

It's not over but it's getting late early...

re: #61 strangelove

you and Caribou Barbie

Reading the Huffington post again?

re: #71 cicero05

WE all know that. Its the uninformed public which we need to educate about the MSM.

re: #43 MJBrutus

If McCain does lose I'd prefer him to lose big. The Republicans need a big wakeup call. The Republicans should have never nominated him. He openly admits he doesn't understand economics and he's running during an economic crisis. I loved Rudy but he was unelectable (too many scandals and affairs). Romney couldn't get nominated or elected due to religious bigotry. The rest of the pack were assorted nuts. The Dems had good solid candidates. Edwards blew up but Hillary, Richardson and Obama were pretty solid choices and any of them would have done well. Even a moderately competent and experienced Republican candidate should be stomping Obama right now. The Republicans need to get their shit together and make some serious changes.

re: #65 ErnieG

I thought long and hard about that before proudly applying mine to my bumper, you see, my car was once keyed (before it was my car), and the mark is still there :) But the real reason I had resesrvations wasn't because of the local population, but the tourist population from KC & STL.

re: #73 seekeroftruth

I think the polls are worthless, at least at this time. We've all noted the "weighting" of the polls with more democrats than republicans. There was a Rasmussen poll taken over the weekend about who won the debate. Take a look at the first question:
1* How much of the Vice-Presidential Debate did you watch live last night?

58% All of it

19% Most of it

14% Some of it

8% None of it

1% Not sure

Good grief! This is supposedly reputable pollster and yet, they are included folks who didn't watch the debate, and the totally clueless in their polling data.

These "not sure" people worry me. I sometimes think if you asked them if they were alive, they'd say "Not sure".

Obama's Blue Shirts, fascinating:

[Link: elections.foxnews.com...]

Just be happy you can show both eyes.

I am at a trade show, very Republican. The cocktail talk last night was how to limit Obama to one term!
cCaain has got to go Defcon 1 & get people pumped.
Screw the Media, they will only like McCain, if he agrees to be a good loser.

re: #57 Noam Sayin'

As much as I like you dude, that statement just lowered my opinion of you dramatically.

I can live with that.

re: #54 Ringo the Gringo

Remember how they hated everything about Bush? I never noticed his "smirking", but the press and the left decided it was his characteristic expression. Always surprising, what people will focus on.

re: #84 Killgore Trout

If McCain does lose I'd prefer him to lose big. The Republicans need a big wakeup call. The Republicans should have never nominated him. He openly admits he doesn't understand economics and he's running during an economic crisis. I loved Rudy but he was unelectable (too many scandals and affairs). Romney couldn't get nominated or elected due to religious bigotry. The rest of the pack were assorted nuts. The Dems had good solid candidates. Edwards blew up but Hillary, Richardson and Obama were pretty solid choices and any of them would have done well. Even a moderately competent and experienced Republican candidate should be stomping Obama right now. The Republicans need to get their shit together and make some serious changes.

No fucking way. McCain failing big == Obama's MANDATE to lead bullshit. No way Kilgore - you are wrong.

re: #66 Lizard by the Bay

McCain has all the fight in him that Bob Dole had. We are toast this time.

I'm withholding judgemnet till tomorrow. The debate can count for a lot this time.

re: #86 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

These "not sure" people worry me. I sometimes think if you asked them if they were alive, they'd say "Not sure".

HA HA Haaaaaaa!

re: #75 Dianna

Thanks. It's good to be home again.

I have been cut off, yelled at, swerved at and given death looks for my McCain bumper sticker. All the perps were young blacks.

re: #14 Killgore Trout

I know everybody thinks I'm a Gloomy Gus these days but I'm not counting on the polls being wrong.

I'm not "counting on the polls being wrong". I merely see too much indication of internal bias in the past (in all but Zogby's.) I'm taking them with a grain of salt.

10-15 years ago, I did a fair amount of reading on marketing research, a sister field to opinion polling. I learned enough to realize how easy it is to twist a poll's results, but more than that, how easy it is for the pollster to have internal blind spots which don't let him/her ask the proper questions, in the proper manner.

It's all just a tactic.

Laying the groundwork for the "they stole the elections" warcry as the fires start in the inner cities and spread nation-wide.

re: #84 Killgore Trout

Not to re-fight old battles, but Romney was my man. I disagree about the religious bigotry angle. It cost him the nomination, much to the disgrace of the religious right. I think that after his concession speech at CPAC even they came to realize the magnitude of the mistake they made.

re: #65 ErnieG

One reason you don't see many McCain bumper stickers in some areas is the threat of having your car keyed.

Actually I think that whole dynamic is active across the country. I think many people who have made up their minds to vote for McCain have also decided to keep a low profile because they just don't need the aggravation.

Come election day these folks will have their say.

re: #60 Wendya

That would require more inspiration than McCain causes.

re: #93 Celtic Templar

Kilgore - you are wrong.

It wouldn't be the first time.

re: #30 Florida Lady

Good. Good for all the lizards who are going down fighting. If we have to lose, let's lose on our feet -- and maybe we'll win on our feet without realizing it. (Got my McCain/Palin sign, got my McCain polo shirt. Talked to three different McCain supporters in my supposedly blue suburb of Philadelphia. People are keeping their allegiances quiet. The Bradley effect is going to be a factor, and it's going to be nasty.)

re: #93 Celtic Templar

No fucking way. McCain failing big == Obama's MANDATE to lead bullshit. No way Kilgore - you are wrong.

Barry'O is going to lead the way he wants if it's a slim victory or if it's a landslide.

re: #90 taxfreekiller

Good Bye National City Bank/Mortgage, others know the true value of real estate in Calif. , Florida, and Mich. and you always have been a bunch of ass holes any how, its not nice to lie about assets.

.01 cents per share dividend, why even go to the f'n trouble.

Seriously? Yikes.

re: #61 strangelove

Wrong.

Exposing Barry's associations exposes his lack of judgment and judgment is exactly what people are looking for right now -- they know its not experience, after all it was all these hot-shot experienced Wall Street and Princeton types who got us into this mess in the first place -- so this is exactly the right strategy to go after Barry and his associates.

re: #99 Ben Hur

It's all just a tactic.

Laying the groundwork for the "they stole the elections" warcry as the fires start in the inner cities and spread nation-wide.

yes yes yes.

re: #84 Killgore Trout

If the current trends hold, you may get your wish.

re: #75 Dianna

Hi! Welcome back!

I'm not giving up. Even if I'm worried.

Non of us are giving up, but the McCain campaign has to understand that their lackadaisical attitude is killing us. We want to be fired up. We want to go out there and fight. We want to win. Do they?

An article at CNN ".. the gloves come off" discusses the attack mode that the campaign has taken, guess who's campaign? The article is mainly about Obama and his Keating 5 attack.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

re: #76 so.cal.swede

but see, that's just political mischievousness.

If someone keyed an obama-stickered car, it would be the equivalent of an effigy hanging of Barry'O.

It would be a "hate crime".

re: #101 MJBrutus

I wasn't a big Mitt fan but he was a good solid choice.

re: #84 Killgore Trout

If McCain does lose I'd prefer him to lose big. The Republicans need a big wakeup call. The Republicans should have never nominated him. He openly admits he doesn't understand economics and he's running during an economic crisis. I loved Rudy but he was unelectable (too many scandals and affairs). Romney couldn't get nominated or elected due to religious bigotry. The rest of the pack were assorted nuts. The Dems had good solid candidates. Edwards blew up but Hillary, Richardson and Obama were pretty solid choices and any of them would have done well. Even a moderately competent and experienced Republican candidate should be stomping Obama right now. The Republicans need to get their shit together and make some serious changes.

Agreed but the problem is that we had thought that post-2006 they were going to get their act together, once they were trounced in the mid-term elections... They have not...

re: #103 Dianna

That would require more inspiration than McCain causes.

527's fight for their own interests. There is so much at stake this election, you'd think every conservative group in the country would be buying time and running ads.

McCain needs to focus on why the economy is the Democrats fault; In swing states only. That should be his main emphasis. That is the only area the left has any strength in. His researchers should anticipate every possible counter-argument and he should prepare to deliver these in the remaining debates, where complete exposure is possible. The Democrats are beaten in every other subject, but the Republicans, as usual, are allowing the drumbeat of false statements about the cause of the economy to hold sway in the public mind. They should refute false statements thoroughly and brutally every single time without exception. They should develop their own drumbeat. The Democrats policies destroyed the economy. The Democrats stopped any countermeasures; Over and over and over. None of this damn Republican silence. That is tacit participation in the Democrats relentless propaganda. Silence is not nobility, it is not virtue. Economy, economy, economy: Truth about the economy.

re: #113 CIA Reject

It would be a "hate crime".

in fact, just having a McCain sticker could be considered a hate crime in some areas... like my aunt-in-law's house for instance.

re: #102 CIA Reject

Actually I think that whole dynamic is active across the country. I think many people who have made up their minds to vote for McCain have also decided to keep a low profile because they just don't need the aggravation.

Come election day these folks will have their say.

I agree. We have been under siege by the MSM for the Fall of Gore and the Demise of Kerry. I'm not surprised even that the polls are going for Obama. Again, though, it only counts on 11/4 when these quiet people, who DO vote, press the button for who they trust more than the other candidate.

I'm betting McCain (I'd vote for my cat before Obama, so McCain is a good enough choice).

re: #73 seekeroftruth

Polls are as much about shaping public opinion as they are about reflecting public sentiment.

re: #115 tfc3rid

It's going to take some time. Maybe after Obama's second term.

re: #121 Killgore Trout

It's going to take some time. Maybe after Obama's second term.

Fourth.

re: #102 CIA Reject

... many people who have made up their minds to vote for McCain have also decided to keep a low profile because they just don't need the aggravation ...

I'm definitely in that category. Don't talk politics anywhere but here.

re: #99 Ben Hur

It's all just a tactic.

Laying the groundwork for the "they stole the elections" warcry as the fires start in the inner cities and spread nation-wide.

Oddly, Ben Hur, I think I agree with you on this. It would explain some of the strange behaviour I've seen from the Obama camp. If they're so sure of winning, then why do they act like they might blow it?

re: #64 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Didn't Zogby have Kerry beating Bush in 2004? Rasmussen is usually correct.

IIRC (and I may not), Zogby was the only one who called 2000 correctly. I do NOT recall details of 2004, (I generally ignore the polls) but I think I've heard that he was the most on-top of that one as well.

re: #26 taxfreekiller

Obama will loose, the Democrats will regroup, petition the Supreme court to see if they can run Hugo Chavez a unnatural citizen for Pres. in 2012.

Unnatural

you say?

Bwahahahahaha!

re: #97 bellamags

There are very few minorities where I live, and there are very few minority tourists for that matter. Also, there are very few roads that are more than 2-lanes! Of the larger roads, I am rarely on them. What minorities are here, they keep a very low profile, and most are of the illegal variety.

Last night in Fairfax County, Virginia, my elderly folks' McCain-Palin yard sign stuck into the ground with two metal rods, was vandalized and bent out of shape.

Yes, Virginia, there really are totalitarians running around in Northern Virginia who vandalize elderly people's property and yard signs.

God Bless my veteran dad who had to pick up that vandalized sign. Totalitarians who vandalize care not that homeowners might be veterans, elderly, and patriots who risked their lives for totalitarians' freedom.

re: #124 Honorary Yooper

Oddly, Ben Hur, I think I agree with you on this. It would explain some of the strange behaviour I've seen from the Obama camp. If they're so sure of winning, then why do they act like they might blow it?

Oddly?

Do you not normally agree with the Hur?

re: #98 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'm not "counting on the polls being wrong". I merely see too much indication of internal bias in the past (in all but Zogby's.) I'm taking them with a grain of salt.

10-15 years ago, I did a fair amount of reading on marketing research, a sister field to opinion polling. I learned enough to realize how easy it is to twist a poll's results, but more than that, how easy it is for the pollster to have internal blind spots which don't let him/her ask the proper questions, in the proper manner.

How you ask a question can make a huge difference. A few years back, I was at a party and some lady asked me if I approved how Bush was handling Iraq. I answered no, so she immeadiately assumed I was anti-war and wanted a full pull out immeadiately. She look utterly crushed when I explained that we should be hitting them harder.

re: #101 MJBrutus

Not to re-fight old battles, but Romney was my man. I disagree about the religious bigotry angle. It cost him the nomination, much to the disgrace of the religious right. I think that after his concession speech at CPAC even they came to realize the magnitude of the mistake they made.

Right on! Mitt was the choice. He was not going to govern as a Mormon.
The Media shilled for McCain because they knew that Romney would be tough in a general election.

re: #79 DeafDog

Female moonbats think Palin got where she got by being flirty.

And where is Palin?............she's in the middle of the road at night waiting for the Obama bus to run her over. This was a base pick, and a base pick is not what was needed. 2000 and 2004 told us that.

Thanks, W for giving us Obama and McCain. Thanks for driving the country into the ground. Thanks for being neither Republican in your policies nor conservative in your thinking.

Obama will win by double digits do to you complete ineptitude.

re: #121 Killgore Trout

It's going to take some time. Maybe after Obama's second term.

There may not be much of an 'opposition party' if there is an Obama 2nd term...

re: #114 Killgore Trout

I wasn't a big Mitt fan but he was a good solid choice.

He knows about economics, too. He could take that "eight years of failed Republican policy" bulls**t and knock it out of the park.

Somebody needs to brief McCain on the birds and bees of economics.

Don't be discouraged. It's often the last key in the bunch that opens the lock.

re: #74 Mad Mullah

Just like four years ago, anything can happen, and nobody really knows the outcome yet of course. I remember how confident all of the liberal degenerates were last time around, and we all know how that went. A few of the liberal degenerates even committed suicide after their extremely pathetic candidate lost.

Degenerate liberals are even more confident this time around, and an Obama defeat would certainly come as a shock to these brainwashed simpletons. I wonder if any of the Liberal predictions and their threats will come true, such as riots........

When Barack Obama's socialist, degenerate cousin in Kenya, Raila Odinga, lost the election, deadly riots were instigated in that country. Obama supporters in this country might not have machetes at their disposal, but I expect a whole bunch of them to just lose it in the case of an Obama loss.

Their insane screams and rioting would be the most beautiful music to my eyes and ears.

Just give up, little rethuggliKKKans. You may as well not even vote.

Go home and practice your "O" salute to welcome your new O!verlord, and prepare to hand your children over to His Glorious Army of the People.

Really, no need to vote...it's all over...really...please...really....

re: #130 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

How you ask a question can make a huge difference. A few years back, I was at a party and some lady asked me if I approved how Bush was handling Iraq. I answered no, so she immeadiately assumed I was anti-war and wanted a full pull out immeadiately. She look utterly crushed when I explained that we should be hitting them harder.

And that's exactly why I think the MSMs explanations of Bush low approval ratings are bogus.

re: #129 Ben Hur

Oddly?

Do you not normally agree with the Hur?

I agree and diagree on many issues. Just never thought I'd be think thinking about setups for riots until recently. Oddly, as in I'm usually pretty positive, and am agreeing on a negative.

re: #128 alegrias
How sad that people come to that. I do worry about mine a little, one of the "part-time" neighbors has college age kids in and out all the time, but I put it pretty close to the house and we have a big dog...

re: #135 ErnieG

He knows about economics, too. He could take that "eight years of failed Republican policy" bulls**t and knock it out of the park.

Somebody needs to brief McCain on the birds and bees of economics.

Yeah and maybe it should be Romney...

If we are facing in the right direction, all we have to do is keep on walking. ~Buddhist Saying

re: #96 Killgore Trout

Thanks. It's good to be home again.

I've missed you through September.

Back to the wars.

re: #130 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

How you ask a question can make a huge difference. A few years back, I was at a party and some lady asked me if I approved how Bush was handling Iraq. I answered no, so she immeadiately assumed I was anti-war and wanted a full pull out immeadiately. She look utterly crushed when I explained that we should be hitting them harder.

*grin*

re: #84 Killgore Trout

If McCain does lose I'd prefer him to lose big. The Republicans need a big wakeup call. The Republicans should have never nominated him. He openly admits he doesn't understand economics and he's running during an economic crisis. I loved Rudy but he was unelectable (too many scandals and affairs). Romney couldn't get nominated or elected due to religious bigotry. The rest of the pack were assorted nuts. The Dems had good solid candidates. Edwards blew up but Hillary, Richardson and Obama were pretty solid choices and any of them would have done well. Even a moderately competent and experienced Republican candidate should be stomping Obama right now. The Republicans need to get their shit together and make some serious changes.

Agreed, And that total mis-management will result in a lurch toward socialism, as people will blame the crisis on 'greedy fat-cat-speculators'.......leaving the door wide open for commie-libs to save the day. We are seriously fooked right now.

re: #97 bellamags

I have been cut off, yelled at, swerved at and given death looks for my McCain bumper sticker. All the perps were young blacks.

That's really disturbing. I have a McCain-Palin t-shirt that I want to wear to the gym, but the membership is about 60-70% black, and to be honest, I'm afraid things might get ugly. I like my gym and I still have 15 months to go on the membership. And if I were a racist, would I have joined a majority-black gym? But Obama supporters think very emotionally, and I don't like getting yelled at.

re: #127 Researcher...MO

There are very few minorities where I live, and there are very few minority tourists for that matter. Also, there are very few roads that are more than 2-lanes! Of the larger roads, I am rarely on them. What minorities are here, they keep a very low profile, and most are of the illegal variety.

These people are assuming I am a racist because I want McCain to win. My first boyfriend was a Mexican for God's sake. I don't use the "n" word and it is insulting to me that they assume I don't like black people just because I am voting for McCain. It is affirmative action at its worst. Vote for him because he's black. Makes me want to hurl.

re: #96 Killgore Trout

Thanks. It's good to be home again.

where did you go?

The problem is obvious, and the solution so apparent that I'm surprised that no-one has suggested it...

Since these darned pesky elections are screwing up our oh-so-carefully-crafted polls, the elections have to be stopped.

Why do we need them anyway? Elections just let a bunch of bitter clingers delay the inevitable march towards social justice envisioned by our richers. Elections are soooo 20th century. Outmoded. A product of a by-gone era.

I, for one, welcome our new overlords. Long live the people One World Order!

Now, where is that new Soylent Green distribution center? I'm getting a mite peckish.

re: #2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

BUSH IS RUNNING AGAIN!?

/

He'll be running for the next 10 elections.

re: #140 Honorary Yooper

I agree and diagree on many issues. Just never thought I'd be think thinking about setups for riots until recently. Oddly, as in I'm usually pretty positive, and am agreeing on a negative.

It's not hard to imagine leftists huddling in basements living out their 60s radicals fantasies and slapping their chicks. Planning.

That lyin' son of a bitch, Johnson!

re: #147 doppelganglander

Thats f-ing sad. Afraid for safety because of an election.

re: #99 Ben Hur

I'm sorry, but it won't happen. I know it's fun to believe in dramatic nonsense, but there's not going to be any rioting. If a couple windows in liquor stores get smashed, I'll be surprised.

re: #96 Killgore Trout

Thanks. It's good to be home again.

Are Africa jokes in order now? Nothing disparaging, more like Killgore getting out of the jeep to pet the LOLcats?

re: #149 Vergeltung

I was in Africa last month.

re: #133 strangelove

Obama will win by double digits do to you complete ineptitude.

Oh really? And what about you? What have you done to convince anyone to vote Republican? Sitting on your ass waiting for a savior to come and deliver you is what the left does.

re: #116 Wendya

Too many of them are doing precisely what Republicans did in 2006. "Punishing" the party.

re: #155 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Can I haz mauling?

re: #82 Wendya

Reading the Huffington post again?

I've been a Lizard for three years. You're barking up the wrong tree.

Unlike most of the drones here, I'm prepared to level blame square at the feet of those who deserve it, and that's US.

re: #138 hailing frequencies open

Thanks, that's a nice bracer.

re: #158 Dianna

Too many of them are doing precisely what Republicans did in 2006. "Punishing" the party.

I still have mixed emotions about that.
Needed to be done, and some "Republicans" still need to go.

re: #38 Ringo the Gringo

Don't give up yet. It' aint over.

BTW - My Palin Derangement Syndrome photo essay seems to be back up and running at Ringo's Pictures

Crikey!
Good stuff, Ringo - and btw, that woman with the poster of the three polar bear cubs?
Heh - that was a photo of that Berlin Zoo polar bear cub, Knut!

re: #160 strangelove

I've been a Lizard for three years. You're barking up the wrong tree.

Unlike most of the drones here, I'm prepared to level blame square at the feet of those who deserve it, and that's US.

Actually, it's not "us", it's YOU.

re: #35 jaunte

"Bush had had a DUI in his past, strategically released at the last minute to do the maximum damage."

Interesting to line that up against Obama's admitted coke and marijuana use; what was seen as damaging to a Republican candidate is a big yawn producer for a Dem.

Except that Bush hid the DUI. If Obama had hid his drug use and it came out the last weekend, would be more similar to the case in 2000. There are advantages to getting the dirty laundry out early. It's less damaging politically.

Ya know, I appreciate what Charles is saying here, but this isn't 2000. This isn't a semi-respectable (at the time) Democrat running against another Bush.
Nor is it 2004 when an even less respectable (at the time of the election) Democrat was running against Bush.
This is a totally unrespectable Democrat running against a man who prides himself on "reform" and
bi-partisanship. But this Dem - and all of his friends, aren't interested in McCain's ideas of reform and have absolutely NO desire for bi-partisanship whatsoever - the Dems want it ALL.
I truly think that the polls TODAY don't matter; I think what the polls say on Thursday will; tomorrow night if McCain consistently and constantly throws out HIS record on Fannie/Freddie and HIS plan for the economy and consistently and constantly shows that Obama has NO PLAN for the economy, NONE -EXCEPT TAX, TAX AND TAX SOME MORE, the the polls on Thursday and Friday will be much, much different.
IF McCain doesn't take it to Obama where Obama is the weakest (it's one thing to talk about redistributing the wealth when there appears to be a lot of wealth around; it's altogether different when there is MUCH LESS wealth around) then there is going to be little hope for Republicans at all.
This isn't the result of Bush's economic plan; this current economy is the DIRECT result of a Democratic Congress and a Democratic President creating the entire Sub-Prime Mortgage market with the CRA.

re: #148 bellamags
Indeed that is very insulting! Fortunately I don't have to deal with anything like that! Now if I still lived in KC (my hometown), I don't think the sticker or the yard sign would be displayed! Which is probably the saddest commentary I could make on my former home. I was a minority white in one grade school I attended, where the majority was Hispanic, we had 5 whites and 1 black student. IIRC, we all got along just fine, but it was a Catholic school and the nuns brooked no nonsense, from any of us! It's one reason that to this day, in my 40's, I don't understand racial tension very well...And I am totally incensed that the idea that I wouldn't vote for bambi is racism! It's the ideology for crying out loud!

re: #159 Killgore Trout

Can I haz mauling?

LOL!

JIC/BTW, have you ever heard of/read Robert Ruark's Horn of the Hunter It's a whale of a book.

My parents had a copy. God only know how many times I read it as a teen.

re: #133 strangelove

you're a meathead.

re: #157 Wendya

Oh really? And what about you? What have you done to convince anyone to vote Republican? Sitting on your ass waiting for a savior to come and deliver you is what the left does.

I've worked at the Thousand Oaks, California headquarters since before the primary. Anything else?

Voting republican is not the answer. Picking a viable candidate under 7 decades old with a running mate that can complete a sentence would go a long way. Even Karl Rove is skeptical of this pick and the results so far.

re: #67 bellamags

I disagree. They will continue to lose viewer and readership to specialized news outlets, especially on the internet. The folks graduating in journalism these days are less and less likely to accept the major members of the MSM as records of choice. They will also be more cynical about accepting what they read on the internet as the truth. Sure, the MSM's reaction is going to be to try and hire a few, token, "internet savvy" reporters with a conservative focus because they think that will be the quick fix. They are wrong of course, their leftist bias is institionally ingrained. Remember, as Bernie Goldberg pointed out, they really don't realize they're biased. They actually do believe they're objective. It will take some very hard landings for the reality to sink in. Those landings will come.

Nope, long before the MSM ruins this country, they're going to get their clocks cleaned for them. At that point, some executive boards are going to figure it out and toss some Marxists out on their ears. They'll re-emerge as much smaller, more objective organizations with new people. There's just too many outlets for people to get their news these days for them to cater to one element.

re: #168 pre-Boomer Marine brat

LOL!

JIC/BTW, have you ever heard of/read Robert Ruark's Horn of the Hunter It's a whale of a book.

My parents had a copy. God only know how many times I read it as a teen.

If you haven't read Ruark's The Old Man and The Boy, you're missing a good one.

re: #159 Killgore Trout

Try this one: I like the glowing eyes

re: #160 strangelove

I've been a Lizard for three years.

Hey, do we get badges?... or pins?

I want my Lizard Merit Badge.

re: #160 strangelove

I've been a Lizard for three years. You're barking up the wrong tree.

Unlike most of the drones here, I'm prepared to level blame square at the feet of those who deserve it, and that's US.

Blame is cast at ourselves quite regularly. But right now though there's a war to be won and blaming GWB ain't gonna win it. And, unlike you we don't attack fellow lizards calling them all drones.

re: #162 jwb7605

I'm of the opinion that every single incumbent needs to go. But I'm irate.

re: #156 Killgore Trout

I was in Africa last month.

ah, cool. my brother made that trip in the 80s. hope you enjoyed it.

re: #176 Dianna

I'm of the opinion that every single incumbent needs to go. But I'm irate.

Agreed!

re: #170 strangelove

Strangelove, thy name is MOBY.

re: #170 strangelove

I've worked at the Thousand Oaks, California headquarters since before the primary. Anything else?

Voting republican is not the answer. Picking a viable candidate under 7 decades old with a running mate that can complete a sentence would go a long way. Even Karl Rove is skeptical of this pick and the results so far.

What you don't seem to understand is the American people don't share your opinions on who should be elected and what policies should be enacted. If they did, we wouldn't be in this mess.

The left has been perfectly happy to take whatever they can get step by step. Many conservatives, on the other hand, what everything on their list NOW and if they don't get it, they throw a hissy fit.

Obama has already picked the new uniforms for the US Army

McCain needs to start ASAP on a two prong approach:

1. "Who is Barak Obama?" - start exposing him for the empty suit that he is, exposing his shady past connections, liberal voting record, and the fact that we really don't know much about his past. It seems like they started this recently with Palin, but McCain needs to stop the Mr. Niceguy act and start as well.

2. Start hammering the dems on the economy. McCain and republicans sat back while Pelosi, Frank etc, hammered away and convinced a good portion of the electorate that republicans were to blame for the financial crisis. They need to start hitting back HARD on this point and continuously point out the facts about Fannie, Freddie, etc.

Finally, instead of complaining that the MSM is biased against them (which we all know), the McCain campaign needs to start thinking hard about how to get their messages out there in a way that the MSM cannot distort. It seems that everytime they try do something decent (i.e. suspending his campaign to focus on the bailout bill), the MSM distort the hell out of it and make him look like an idiot.

I'm dismayed by the recent polls, but i don't think that we should give up hope. It aint over till it's over.

re: #164 Wendya

Actually, it's not "us", it's YOU.

You must be from the Lucianne echo-chamber.

re: #22 Tigger2005

You're right, don't count on it. Get out and fight no matter what McCain says or does. I'm going down to the local Republican campaign office tomorrow to volunteer.

BRAVO, Tigger.

As much as I want McCain to win and I truly fear the repercussions of what an Obama presidency would do to this country, the sad reality is that if McCain does happen to pull out this election, we are destined to have "four more years of Bush" in the sense that the Dems will feel that they were "robbed" of their rightful coronation of "the One" and will be so vitriolic and spiteful that they'll never allow anything to get accomplished by the McCain/Palin administration. Just replace BDS with MPDS.

The Dems will control Congress no matter what happens and their raging partisanship will continue with full vengeance if McCain wins. So we're basically screwed either way.

This election is much bigger that just getting McCain elected, it is about cleaning house in Congress and getting rid of the dangerous clowns like Pelosi, Reed, Murtha, etc. I just don't see that happening since the moonbat mindset in this country seems to be spreading exponentially faster than Michael Moore's waistline...

re: #183 strangelove

You must be from the Lucianne echo-chamber.

Well, forgive me for pointing out you're acting like a spoiled child.

One my friend and one of my co-workers register specially to vote for McCain. A lot of people that never vote will vote McCain.

Also, based on Rassmussen 14 persents could change their side and 6-7 percent undecided. Nothing decided yet.

re: #173 Dianna

Try this one: I like the glowing eyes

HOLY ****!
What IS that thing?
Looks like it might be a young panther.

OT: Article from CFP - " No USA" chants in Carson
NO USA

From that article interesting video with Obama & Odinga - long one that I had seen before but worth putting it out there again

Obama ^ Odinga

re: #170 strangelove

You could possibly be less encouraging.

re: #160 strangelove
Well you may think we're all drones here, but I think you're a moby:

Registered since: Dec 1, 2004 at 3:28 pm

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And I find your comments about McCain and Palin at least as abusive as those of any Democrat.

re: #174 faraway

You and me, both!

re: #188 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Mountain lion, cougar, panther...any of the above.

It's a bit of a shock to see in your suburban back yard. That's never happened to me, but a friend in the Sierra foothills did look out her kitchen window into glowing eyes.

The race has been the Dems to lose from the start. Given 8 years of a Republican administration, an unpopular war, and a grudging-now-tanking economy, odds favor the Dems. I am actually a little more optimistic than I was months ago, because I think it will be a very close race. In recent elections America is almost evenly divided, and it could go either way. This election has already thrown out the rule book (first President to be elected from Senatorial seat in 48 years; most inexperienced candidate wins his primary....) Which means McCain has a chance. Which means he should fight for it, and not throw away any advantages.

That said, it is not becoming for the candidate to personally attack the other. That should be done through the VP candidate and other Republicans.

(And to preempt the people who are upset at those of us who call it as we see it, even if it's bad news; yes, of course I am still voting, even though I live in an overwhelmingly blue state and I might as well chuck my ballot in the shredder.)

re: #180 Wendya

What you don't seem to understand is the American people don't share your opinions on who should be elected and what policies should be enacted. If they did, we wouldn't be in this mess.

The left has been perfectly happy to take whatever they can get step by step. Many conservatives, on the other hand, what everything on their list NOW and if they don't get it, they throw a hissy fit.

BWAHAHAH!...that's FUNNY!

I'd actually settle for one thing: a candidate that has a handle on the biggest issue facing us: ............-for two years-.........the economy. Do you just not get it?, because Bush 41 didn't either, and we got saddled with WJC and Al for 8 years.

McCain needs to triangulate, ....and fast..... to the economy. He needs to get on Cramer's show, Cavuto's, etc., Trust me, the American people know how much cash we're throwing down the hole in Iraq every month on top of this 850B bailout, and they are livid. And they will punish those in office and those with perceived association.

re: #73 seekeroftruth

I suspect that the 1% that 'weren't sure' probably told the poll taker what to do with their poll.

re: #193 Dianna

Mountain lion, cougar, panther...any of the above.

It's a bit of a shock to see in your suburban back yard. That's never happened to me, but a friend in the Sierra foothills did look out her kitchen window into glowing eyes.

/something even worse ... the drip of warm saliva on your foot

re: #183 strangelove

You must be from the Lucianne echo-chamber.

I'm more than a little tired of people like you, who, when called out as complete downers trying to discourage us from voting and trying to convert other voters, calling names.

You may be right, or you may be wrong. But you're still a downer, and you're not helping. So shut up, or change your tune, or discuss something else, but don't call other people names.

You called!

re: #195 strangelove

how much cash we're throwing down the hole in Iraq

That's verrrry interesting way you have of phrasing it. Personally, I look for Freudian slips like that as a window into the thinking behind the words someone chooses, deliberately, to type.

/don't bother trying to explain

re: #197 pre-Boomer Marine brat

/something even worse ... the drip of warm saliva on your foot

Coyotes. For whatever reason, I keep running into them.

re: #199 buzzsawmonkey

I'm in-clined to say, that gives me the willies.

/sorry, I'm using you as a patsy, and hoping it's a full-nelson.

re: #198 Dianna

I'm more than a little tired of people like you, who, when called out as complete downers trying to discourage us from voting and trying to convert other voters, calling names.

You may be right, or you may be wrong. But you're still a downer, and you're not helping. So shut up, or change your tune, or discuss something else, but don't call other people names.

I'm A LOT tired of people like you who continue on with the happy-talk as you pass the Kool-Aid. Self-criticism and scrutiny is what this party has needed for eight years. Bush ( I voted for him twice) has turned out to be a disaster no matter how you spin it. It's just fact. Two wars of whack-a-mole lasting almost 6 years, a 3 TRILLION dollar trade deficit, the worst discretionary spending of any president in history, and now we've got a 73- year old trying to take his place with -0- understanding of how our economy works.

I'm not discouraging anybody . What I am doing is encouraging people to actually learn from their mistakes---quite unlike the current version of the GOP

re: #201 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That's verrrry interesting way you have of phrasing it. Personally, I look for Freudian slips like that as a window into the thinking behind the words someone chooses, deliberately, to type.

/don't bother trying to explain

Good pick-up. You exposed It for what it is.

re: #195 strangelove

BWAHAHAH!...that's FUNNY!

I'd actually settle for one thing: a candidate that has a handle on the biggest issue facing us: ............-for two years-.........the economy. Do you just not get it?, because Bush 41 didn't either, and we got saddled with WJC and Al for 8 years.

McCain needs to triangulate, ....and fast..... to the economy. He needs to get on Cramer's show, Cavuto's, etc., Trust me, the American people know how much cash we're throwing down the hole in Iraq every month on top of this 850B bailout, and they are livid. And they will punish those in office and those with perceived association.

If the American people had a handle on the economy and what got us into this mess, Obama wouldn't be leading in the polls.

re: #201 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That's verrrry interesting way you have of phrasing it. Personally, I look for Freudian slips like that as a window into the thinking behind the words someone chooses, deliberately, to type.

/don't bother trying to explain

I have three friends serving Iraq. All from 3/5. So don't even try to write me off as some anti-war truther. I supported the war until it was clear we had morons running it.

re: #202 Dianna

Coyotes. For whatever reason, I keep running into them.

Yes. Lived in the suburban outskirts of Tucson. ("Outskirts" because most everything there was 1 house per acre, with lots of washes, etc.) Used to keep the workshop door standing open for ventilation. Not a good idea. Luckily, never had anything worse than a cactus wren hop in through that door.

/no dogs running loose in the neighborhood, and not just because of the leash law.

re: #205 unrealizedviewpoint

Good pick-up. You exposed It for what it is.

Thanks.

re: #204 strangelove

I'm A LOT tired of people like you who continue on with the happy-talk as you pass the Kool-Aid. Self-criticism and scrutiny is what this party has needed for eight years. Bush ( I voted for him twice) has turned out to be a disaster no matter how you spin it. It's just fact. Two wars of whack-a-mole lasting almost 6 years, a 3 TRILLION dollar trade deficit, the worst discretionary spending of any president in history, and now we've got a 73- year old trying to take his place with -0- understanding of how our economy works.

I'm not discouraging anybody . What I am doing is encouraging people to actually learn from their mistakes---quite unlike the current version of the GOP

One: I never have ceased in scrutiny and criticism of our candidate.

However, I believe very firmly in winning the war in Iraq. This happens to be one of the few points of agreement I have with McCain. It's a point of violent disagreement with you, clearly.

As for the trade deficit - that's an issue of tax policy in this country. Do you have the faintest understanding of that, or do you think that's something that can be regulated?

Further, McCain is 72, not 73.

As for his understanding of the economy, it cannot possibly be worse than yours. At least, as evidenced by your spew.

re: #206 Wendya

If the American people had a handle on the economy and what got us into this mess, Obama wouldn't be leading in the polls.

I totally agree. But they don't, and they will blame the party in office unless McCain shows some leadership, big time.

re: #207 strangelove

I have three friends serving Iraq. All from 3/5. So don't even try to write me off as some anti-war truther. I supported the war until it was clear we had morons running it.

I don't believe you.

Dewey defeats Truman

re: #38 Ringo the Gringo

Don't give up yet. It' aint over.

BTW - My Palin Derangement Syndrome photo essay seems to be back up and running at Ringo's Pictures

Fuckin' losers, every one of them!

re: #207 strangelove

I have three friends serving Iraq. All from 3/5. So don't even try to write me off as some anti-war truther. I supported the war until it was clear we had morons running it.

And now you don't.

And now you sound just like the anti-war contingent. Gee, thanks for your "support".

McCain statements he will issue today go right after Obama and the Dems that were against any regulation of FM/FM.

A release is over at hotair

re: #212 strangelove

I totally agree. But they don't, and they will blame the party in office unless McCain shows some leadership, big time.

Well, by your logic, which I don't necessarily disagree with, there should be a huge turnover in the Congress since they are the group that actually write the laws that govern our economy.

I'm not holding my breath on that. Far too many people view the "economy" by the barometer of what they get for free.

re: #210 buzzsawmonkey

You go to war with the morons you have.

Lincoln had to run through a lot of morons before he found Grant and Sherman.

re: #207 strangelove

I have three friends serving Iraq. All from 3/5. So don't even try to write me off as some anti-war truther. I supported the war until it was clear we had morons running it.

Fuck off and die, "betrayus" asshole.

I'm a Vietnam vet, '63-'66. I disagreed at times with the way the war was being fought, but I never turned my coat.

Don't ride on the backs of self-claimed "friends". 3/5 can mean 3rd Bn. 5th Marines, or any other thing you want it to.

Fuck off and die.

re: #210 buzzsawmonkey

You go to war with the morons you have.

You must have read the story of the Army of the Potomac too.

re: #219 Son of the Black Dog

Lincoln had to run through a lot of morons before he found Grant and Sherman.

*rimshot*

re: #207 strangelove

I have three friends serving Iraq. All from 3/5. So don't even try to write me off as some anti-war truther. I supported the war until it was clear we had morons running it.

So now that it's being run efficiently you're still against it? And why in the world would your support drop anyway considering its importance with regard to the overall WOT?

What is the deal with all these people coming out of the woodwork to slam on Republicans, cry and whine like red diaper babies about Palin and McCain and offer ABSOLUTELY nothing to counter their "supposed" angst? Give me a break! I lurk a lot too. I've been a member here for awhile, but I certainly do not presume to come onto the board and scream like chicken little. (to borrow a bit from Michelle Malkin) What are you doing to change things? Who are you talking to? What articles or letters to the editors have you written? Have you volunteered at any of the campaign offices? Phone bank? Put a sign in your yard or a sticker on your car? If you have to run your mouth, do it constructively.

re: #211 Dianna

One: I never have ceased in scrutiny and criticism of our candidate.

However, I believe very firmly in winning the war in Iraq. This happens to be one of the few points of agreement I have with McCain. It's a point of violent disagreement with you, clearly.

As for the trade deficit - that's an issue of tax policy in this country. Do you have the faintest understanding of that, or do you think that's something that can be regulated?

Further, McCain is 72, not 73.

As for his understanding of the economy, it cannot possibly be worse than yours. At least, as evidenced by your spew.

I thought you people aren't name-callers?...Oh, sorry , am I on D.U.?

Anyway, I'm glad you 'very firmly' support the Iraq war. I double-secret-firmly-with-cherry-on-top also believe we should win it: About three years and 100 billion+ dollars ago. No doubt, the Iraqi government will come to our aid with cheap oil when we need it most. No doubt they will wax poetic about American sacrifice and put a bust of Washington an the mantle.

But you're right. John McCain does know more than I about the economy. He knew enough to cover himself in excrement with the Keating 5.

Next time, show work, sweetheart.

I find some of these posts reassuring - can I have some more? I am really scared by the idea of Obama being in charge at a time when Western values are being undermined from so many sides.

I really cannot bear this man - racism has nothing to do with this, just the fact I haven't yet understood what he is about, and I cannot really stomach his speeches. He really lays it on with a trowel. Four, maybe eight years, of these speeches..... I cannot even contemplate it.

One thing I have never understood. I know why Oprah Winfrey and Gwyneth Paltrow and George Clooney and the New York Times are for Obama. But why does everyone seem so besotted with him?.... OK, he makes some people's legs feel funny. But apart from that?

I wish Sen. McCain were a little more of a pitbull.....

There's something called the second-look factor. When a candidate gets far enough ahead in the polls that it seems inevitable s/he'll be elected, voters take another look, just to be sure. It happened in 1996, though it wasn't enough for Dole. I hope it happens again, to McCain's benefit.

re: #226 strangelove

Keating 5

Nicely parroted, El Stupido.

/lived in Arizona before, during and after that time

re: #21 johnnyreb

Wow the MSM is getting desperate. Obama has less of a lead than both Kerry and Gore had at this point, and they both lost. That is what is worrying them right now. They are deathly afraid that he is not going to win at this point and are doing everything in their power to skew any poll anywhere in the country. Sort of like Dan Blather trying to "throw" a national election with documents he knew were fake.

Same thing different election year.

This is incorrect. In 2004, Bush had a small lead over Kerry almost every day in October, and Bush won by about 2.5%.

re: #35 jaunte

"Bush had had a DUI in his past, strategically released at the last minute to do the maximum damage."

Interesting to line that up against Obama's admitted coke and marijuana use; what was seen as damaging to a Republican candidate is a big yawn producer for a Dem.

It might be damaging if this drug use were made known right before the election. But, since we've known about it for a long time, Obama's favorability ratings are already "discounted" based on this info.

re: #223 unrealizedviewpoint

So now that it's being run efficiently you're still against it? And why in the world would your support drop anyway considering its importance with regard to the overall WOT?

a legitimate question....thanks

Wars should have clearly defined objectives, with well thought-out accompanying strategies and tactics. This war had none of these elements, and still does not. The methods we are using are out-dated, clumsy, and transparent, in my view. Why hasn't the entire weight of the US military been brought to bear on OBL? We're going on 8 years since 9/11 and we can't even locate, let alone liquidate, the main perpetrator. But we are handing out billions of dollars to a corrupt Iraqi government that have gone missing.

I'm not saying we wave the white flag. And I do believe that Patreus is worthy of hero status...........but far too late to make a difference.

re: #231 buzzsawmonkey

As lawhawk pointed out in a prior thread, if Keating 5 membership is a taint, the Obama campaign is tainted with it equally by virtue of John Glenn's support for Obama's campaign. It's a null issue.

'Getting rid of Saddam Hussein' was not the stated reason for war, nor is it advisable to go to war with everyone we dis-like. And here we are, paying the political price for this well-intended, yet criminally handled debacle.

re: #217 kw26

McCain statements he will issue today go right after Obama and the Dems that were against any regulation of FM/FM.

A release is over at hotair

THAT'S what we want to hear.

If he keeps this up, McCain will win . . . and big.

As I recall the polls were even MORE favorable for John Kerry than they were for Al Gore.

re: #230 JustMyView

This is true --in the poulation polls. I do not recall that Bush ever had a lead in Electoral votes in 2004. That's what counts.

re: #231 buzzsawmonkey

I forget who said, "War is a series of disasters, followed by victory," but it is true whoever said it. That the war was not run well--in a stupid and vain attempt to appease the domestic naysayers--is unfortunate, but that past error does not justify bailing now..

ok. So by your logic, when we make errors now we should ignore them in hopes of rectifying them in the future. A future that your grandchildren will still be paying for.

There has to be some point at which we stop throwing American blood and treasure at those who despise the effort.

And what happens when a real threat shows up? Can you even imagine what we would do, were China to invade Taiwan? NOTHING---and that's the point. This Iraq war is a waste of mis-directed effort.

re: #226 strangelove

You're a Moby. Quit wasting our time.

re: #233 strangelove

Wars should have clearly defined objectives, with well thought-out accompanying strategies and tactics. This war had none of these elements, and still does not.

Like a video game or movie where all the "actors" behave according to script and no new cast members or plot twists are introduced?

Sorry....that's not the way it happens in the real world.

re: #238 buzzsawmonkey

We don't. We go to war with some people we dislike--such as Saddam Hussein. In other words, we pick and choose.

What is it you want--that we go to war with people we like, so that it will be nicer?

The stated reason for war was the assumed production, possession and potential use of WMD. Saddam's brutality was a sideshow ponied out for p.r.. that's fact see UN 1441

by the way, Iraq has been producing bio-weapons since 1974 and we did jack-s**t about it because it wasn't interesting to us, since they were later used on Iranians, the tormentors of our hostage for 400+ days.

re: #240 strangelove

And what happens when a real threat shows up? Can you even imagine what we would do, were China to invade Taiwan? NOTHING---and that's the point. This Iraq war is a waste of mis-directed effort.

One does not follow from the other. Your "point" is visible only to yourself.

/do not come to a debate unarmed

If logic were ruling the day, the problem would be small, and Barry H. Hopey would be laughed out of town - but of course, it is now emotion (and manipulation of emotion - read MSM and Entertainment conglomerates) that direct most results in our public life, on both sides of the spectrum. I think that is why Sarah's ascendence resonates to this moment - apart from expressing a completely acceptable philosophy, many of us (well, "I") really like her - and her detractors really hate her - raw emotion.

McCain on the other hand is challenged in this regard - if I were him and I was actually trying to win, I would keep going with Sarah as is, and then I would say two repeating things to the American people, 10 times a day:

1. Presidential Elections are not supposed to be this divisive and this important - our founding fathers created a balanced system of limited government so that it would never be this important - but, alas, because of unbridled growth of the Federal Government over the past 75 years, it now intrudes into our society in ways that would make our Founders ill with disgust, it is, indeed, that important - and because the government is so intrusive and out of control, I must stand here today and tell you directly why B.H. Obama is not fit for the office - (and then list the associations and character defects).

2. Let's all understand what a Trillion Dollars is - a Trillion Dollars is $26 per day for 365 days for 1 year for (from?) every American - we have a $10 Trillion problem in our society - actually, its in our government, but it affects our society in profound ways.

Will you work with me and join with me as Americans to do what we can, over the next four years, to either grow our productivity; increase our savings; and reduce our costs, including our wasteful government spending by $26 per day per household? If we could do it, by the end of my term, we might have whittled this down to a $2 Trillion problem, and have it trending in a healthy direction. Will you join me?

(of course he could have said this last wee when the vote was in front of him, but ..water over the dam)

then, I would give him a good chance of turning this thing around - without it? small chance, but I am not giving up, no way, no how

HBS

re: #219 Son of the Black Dog

Lincoln had to run through a lot of morons before he found Grant and Sherman.

And don't forget Sheridan...

re: #242 Wendya

Like a video game or movie where all the "actors" behave according to script and no new cast members or plot twists are introduced?

Sorry....that's not the way it happens in the real world.

One outta three would have been acceptable. This 6-year-old disaster is not.

But just keep on pretending the Arabs will 'get' democracy. Just keep on fooling yourself that this stupid war will work.

re: #244 strangelove

Iraq has been producing bio-weapons since 1974

What part of grammar (or truth) do you not understand? Do you even realize how much of an ass you're making of yourself here?

I stand corrected. I see the RCP electoral map did show BUSH leading in electoral votes in early October.

re: #246 taxfreekiller

If China invades Taiwan, we B-52 the shit out of China's navy, and air force, blockade their f'n ports and sit back and listen to anti American loons like you bitch and moan about America defending itself for a change.

My God, you are embarrassing yourself. I'm as pro-American as George S. G-damned Patton, my friend.

Your statement about "B-52'ing 'em " is ignorant beyond belief. Do you have any idea, any clue at all, how much of our debt China owns? Do you know what happens when we're done 'bombinashit-outta've em?.
THINK

re: #254 taxfreekiller

This is a Weather Underground type, listen close, could be William Ayers himself posting as strangelove.

strangelove thinks he has something big and powerful between his legs.

re: #255 strangelove

My God, you are embarrassing yourself. I'm as pro-American as George S. G-damned Patton, my friend.

Your statement about "B-52'ing 'em " is ignorant beyond belief. Do you have any idea, any clue at all, how much of our debt China owns? Do you know what happens when we're done 'bombinashit-outta've em?.
THINK

Okay, you were the one who brought up the scenario that we would do nothing. Now you're objecting to doing something.

What ... exactly ... would YOU suggest we do in the event of an attack on Taiwan by Beijing?

/popcorn time

re: #250 buzzsawmonkey

By your logic, every time you realize you've made an error you quit. That'll keep you in Mommy's basement for the rest of your life.

.

Wrong. I've waited through hundreds of mistakes and 4000+ American lives, and been patient with a moron for a president.

I've been to a 24-year old Marine's funeral, where his father had to try to convince himself that this war was worth his son's life. To date, he has been unsuccessful.

I'm not anti-war at all. I'm anti stupid war that costs us everything and gains us nothing. Next, you'll ask, 'what's a good war'. None are. Any real war-fighter will tell you that. But WWII at least made sense.

re: #249 strangelove

One outta three would have been acceptable. This 6-year-old disaster is not.

But just keep on pretending the Arabs will 'get' democracy. Just keep on fooling yourself that this stupid war will work.

I'm curious... have you spent much time in the middle east? Have you ever lived there or spent time doing business there?

re: #233 strangelove

a legitimate question....thanks

Wars should have clearly defined objectives, with well thought-out accompanying strategies and tactics. This war had none of these elements, and still does not. The methods we are using are out-dated, clumsy, and transparent, in my view.

Interesting statement. Care to back that up with evidence? Here, I'll make it easy for you: All you have to do is point out one (1) war that was better thought-out, had better accompanying strategies and tactics and used less out-dated, clumsy methods. Please stick to any time in the last 200 years, just so we're close to the era of mechanized warfare. Also, you'll need to find a war in which 100 and some-odd thousand troops invaded and occupied a country of 25 million with a standing army of over 1 million AND took less than 4% casualties.

By any historical yardstick, (which is how adults judge military issues)the Iraq campaign has gone spectacularly well. I'm open to being showed I'm not correct on this however - just go ahead and cite your conflict by which you are comparing it and explain in detail how it was superior by statistical and strategic measures.

re: #261 strangelove

Any real war-fighter will tell you that

Do you have these fantasies of being a combat veteran often?