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Palin's Creationism Statements: Distorted by Right and Left

Politics | Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 10:24:35 am PDT

It’s bad enough when the Obama supporters do it, but it’s worse when Sarah Palin’s creationist supporters try to distort her record to suit their purposes. A letter to the editor of the Indiana Star Press: Be an informed voter.

There’s not enough space to address each and every “ignorant” comment made by the pro-Obama writers, but I must correct one writer who unfairly attacks Palin’s views on the teaching of “creationism and abstinence-only sex education in public schools.” The writer is simply ignorant of the facts. The truth is Palin would like creationism and abstinence added to the curriculum. She believes students should be subjected to both views.

The highlighted statement above is absolutely, completely, 100% false. Palin has stated on several occasions, very explicitly, that she does not want to add creationism to school curricula.

The Anchorage Daily News: ‘Creation science’ enters the race.

In an interview Thursday, Palin said she meant only to say that discussion of alternative views should be allowed to arise in Alaska classrooms:

“I don’t think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn’t have to be part of the curriculum.”

She added that, if elected, she would not push the state Board of Education to add such creation-based alternatives to the state’s required curriculum.

Even the Associated Press was forced to admit that Palin has never pushed creationism into schools as governor of Alaska.

And in Palin’s interview with Katie Couric, she repeated that she supports the teaching of evolution, and that “science should be taught in science class.”

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1 Walter L. Newton  10/06/08 10:26:15 am reply quote

Is it possible that this letter writer is really a leftist, trying to stir the pot.

2 Drained Brain  10/06/08 10:26:52 am reply quote

Sad to say the letter will probably be quoted as "fact" by the MSM.

3 HugoChavez  10/06/08 10:26:54 am reply quote

I see my useful idiots are working furiously!

Habana cigars all around at the castle on "Selection Day"!

4 shanimal1918  10/06/08 10:28:07 am reply quote

Who cares about Creationism anyway? Seems more of an obsession for some than a legit political issue.

5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  10/06/08 10:28:27 am reply quote

Is every "journalist" in the world today a fucking idiot?

6 buzzsawmonkey  10/06/08 10:29:25 am reply quote

re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Is every "journalist" in the world today a fucking idiot?

Journalists are as subject to peer pressure as baby mamas.

7 HugoChavez  10/06/08 10:29:48 am reply quote

re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

a fucking useful idiot

fixed that for ya!

8 Celtic Templar  10/06/08 10:31:06 am reply quote

re: #4 shanimal1918

Who cares about Creationism anyway? Seems more of an obsession for some than a legit political issue.

It's a wedge issue. Most folks don't realize that even if Palin advocates for it, there's not much she can do. Unless my civics classes are wrong, what exactly can the President/VP do to mandate curriculum? Isn't this a state's rights thing (and even down to the county as far as curriculum)? Would No Child Left Behind have a Creationism section? Wouldn't that need Congress to pass it?

What can Palin do, if she did advocate for Creationism (other than make her supporters look bad)?

9 Honorary Yooper  10/06/08 10:31:18 am reply quote

re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Is every "journalist" in the world today a fucking idiot?

I find that kind of redundant. In fact, I think being an idiot is a requirement for being a journalist. Journalists, IMHO, are like the Platte River; a mile wide, and an inch deep.

10 ErnieG  10/06/08 10:31:39 am reply quote

re: #1 Walter L. Newton

Is it possible that this letter writer is really a leftist, trying to stir the pot.

The left is using agents provocateurs? I am shocked, shocked.

11 NC State of Mind  10/06/08 10:31:48 am reply quote

OT:

Fox just reported in the tease that Palin would be bringing up the Wright issue. More when the get back from commercial.

12 Honorary Yooper  10/06/08 10:32:04 am reply quote

re: #1 Walter L. Newton

Is it possible that this letter writer is really a leftist, trying to stir the pot.

A moby in print.

13 bellamags  10/06/08 10:32:16 am reply quote

re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yes.

14 Walter L. Newton  10/06/08 10:32:31 am reply quote

OT
"Germany takes hot seat as Europe falls into the abyss. We face extreme danger. Unless there is immediate intervention on every front by all the major powers acting in concert, we risk a disintegration of global finance within days. Nobody will be spared, unless they own gold bars. "

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

Ok, so the 700 billion was just for yucks.

15 opnion  10/06/08 10:32:40 am reply quote

Just one last comment re the last thread.
The Obama surrogates are all over today claiming that Obama hardly knew Ayers. That assertion is of course preposterous.
Think about this, Ayers babysat for the Obama children.
Think about it, would you allow an adult male that you hardly know spend the evening alone with your small children?

16 Walter L. Newton  10/06/08 10:33:40 am reply quote

re: #12 Honorary Yooper

A moby in print.

No, her name was Mary Barrett, not Moby.

17 Walter L. Newton  10/06/08 10:34:15 am reply quote

re: #15 opnion

Just one last comment re the last thread.
The Obama surrogates are all over today claiming that Obama hardly knew Ayers. That assertion is of course preposterous.
Think about this, Ayers babysat for the Obama children.
Think about it, would you allow an adult male that you hardly know spend the evening alone with your small children?

Progressives do.

18 Ben Hur  10/06/08 10:35:02 am reply quote

When man tries to play G-d:

Test of that Big Bang Collider Web Cam.

19 Celtic Templar  10/06/08 10:35:21 am reply quote

OT: We need The Avenger's Handbook but for conservatives. All the lefties have their Mein Kampf, Manifestos, Rules for Radicals ... We need a Defenders handbook.

I'm collecting ideas if anyone is interested.

20 tfc3rid  10/06/08 10:35:38 am reply quote

re: #14 Walter L. Newton

OT
"Germany takes hot seat as Europe falls into the abyss. We face extreme danger. Unless there is immediate intervention on every front by all the major powers acting in concert, we risk a disintegration of global finance within days. Nobody will be spared, unless they own gold bars. "

[Link:

21 experiencedtraveller  10/06/08 10:35:47 am reply quote

Sarah Palin killed the dinosaurs because they were grazing on prime drilling land.

22 Ringo the Gringo  10/06/08 10:35:58 am reply quote

Honesty is hard to come by these days.

23 The Shadow Do  10/06/08 10:36:28 am reply quote

re: #15 opnion

Just one last comment re the last thread.
The Obama surrogates are all over today claiming that Obama hardly knew Ayers. That assertion is of course preposterous.
Think about this, Ayers babysat for the Obama children.
Think about it, would you allow an adult male that you hardly know spend the evening alone with your small children?

Does anyone have a link for the babysitter thing?

24 Ford_Prefect  10/06/08 10:36:35 am reply quote

re: #21 experiencedtraveller

Sarah Palin killed the dinosaurs because they were grazing on prime drilling land.

You put it onto the net so it must be true.

///

25 jwb7605  10/06/08 10:37:08 am reply quote

re: #15 opnion

Just one last comment re the last thread.
The Obama surrogates are all over today claiming that Obama hardly knew Ayers. That assertion is of course preposterous.
Think about this, Ayers babysat for the Obama children.
Think about it, would you allow an adult male that you hardly know spend the evening alone with your small children?

To my knowledge, that is anecdotal.
Not documented.

I'd like to be wrong about that, if you have any links.

26 Walter L. Newton  10/06/08 10:37:12 am reply quote

re: #18 Ben Hur

When man tries to play G-d:

27 buzzsawmonkey  10/06/08 10:37:40 am reply quote

re: #21 experiencedtraveller

Sarah Palin killed the dinosaurs because they were grazing on prime drilling land.

You laugh, but read the 17th comment below this drawing.

28 Ford_Prefect  10/06/08 10:39:26 am reply quote

re: #22 Ringo the Gringo

Honesty is hard to come by these days.

Depends on your definition of honesty. The msm will often give stories that have no factual errors in them, they just don't tell you all of the story. Or they will relay someone else's comments about something (for example "Sarah Palin killed the dinosaurs because they were grazing on prime drilling land.") and then just fail to point out that it is in fact not correct.

29 legalpad  10/06/08 10:40:53 am reply quote

Re-post:

If McCain could do anything to fix his campaign it would be focusing on why the economy is the Democrats fault; In swing states only. That should be his main emphasis. That is the only area the left has any strength in. His researchers should anticipate every possible counter-argument and he should prepare to deliver these in the remaining debates, where complete exposure is possible. The Democrats are beaten in every other subject, but the Republicans, as usual, are allowing the drumbeat of false statements about the cause of the economy to hold sway in the public mind. They should refute false statements thoroughly and brutally every single time without exception. They should develop their own drumbeat. The Democrats policies destroyed the economy. The Democrats stopped any countermeasures; Over and over and over. None of this damn Republican silence. That is tacit participation in the Democrats relentless propaganda. Silence is not nobility, it is not virtue. Economy, economy, economy: Truth about the economy.

30 Ben Hur  10/06/08 10:41:08 am reply quote

Why doens't someone just ask her?

Oh wait......

31 PISSED  10/06/08 10:41:32 am reply quote

OFF TOPIC KINDA...

watch this and forward it to your friends..

[Link: tinyurl.com...]

32 bellamags  10/06/08 10:41:59 am reply quote

re: #27 buzzsawmonkey

frikin psychos.

33 doppelganglander  10/06/08 10:42:28 am reply quote

I hate it when nutjobs and fuckwits make our candidate look like an idiot.

34 realwest  10/06/08 10:42:31 am reply quote

Hey y'all - hate to go OT here, but while some folks are worried about Palin/Creationism, there is a MUCH bigger issue on the Plate: who will run America after this election.
And I hate to do this, but this is a repost of something I said at the end of the prior thread:
"Ya know, I appreciate what Charles is saying here, but this isn't 2000. This isn't a semi-respectable (at the time) Democrat running against another Bush.
Nor is it 2004 when an even less respectable (at the time of the election) Democrat was running against Bush.
This is a totally unrespectable Democrat running against a man who prides himself on "reform" and
bi-partisanship. But this Dem - and all of his friends, aren't interested in McCain's ideas of reform and have absolutely NO desire for bi-partisanship whatsoever - the Dems want it ALL.
I truly think that the polls TODAY don't matter; I think what the polls say on Thursday will; tomorrow night if McCain consistently and constantly throws out HIS record on Fannie/Freddie and HIS plan for the economy and consistently and constantly shows that Obama has NO PLAN for the economy, NONE -EXCEPT TAX, TAX AND TAX SOME MORE, the the polls on Thursday and Friday will be much, much different.
IF McCain doesn't take it to Obama where Obama is the weakest (it's one thing to talk about redistributing the wealth when there appears to be a lot of wealth around; it's altogether different when there is MUCH LESS wealth around) then there is going to be little hope for Republicans at all.
This isn't the result of Bush's economic plan; this current economy is the DIRECT result of a Democratic Congress and a Democratic President creating the entire Sub-Prime Mortgage market with the CRA."

35 Walter L. Newton  10/06/08 10:43:08 am reply quote

re: #29 legalpad

Re-post:
If McCain could do anything to fix his campaign it would be focusing on why the economy is the Democrats fault...

He should have started outlining that last week. Too late, he lost the issue, it's not his anymore. The Dems jumped all over the Repubs, balmed them, the MSM ran with it, McCain was silent. Case closed.

36 Cap'n DOC  10/06/08 10:43:48 am reply quote

re: #18 Ben Hur

LOL. What's that sucking noise I hear?...........................

37 The Shadow Do  10/06/08 10:45:23 am reply quote

re: #34 realwest

I thinks he should simply point out the crashing economy and state "this is what Socialism does, any more questions?"

38 pat  10/06/08 10:46:54 am reply quote

One would think it would be hard to smear such a common sense person who is so obviously honest and decent, but it turns out that appears to be what is hated most about her.

39 lawhawk  10/06/08 10:47:35 am reply quote

re: #34 realwest

Actually, this goes to the election - smearing Palin with a broad brush - lying about her stated position on the issue of ID, creationism, and science in the classroom. These issues cannot be laid aside because they are part and parcel of the smear campaign against the McCain ticket.

The McCain campaign does need to spend more time dealing with the issues of the economy - and take the fight to Obama on his turf - hit the Democrats hard and heavy every day on the fact that it was Democrats who blocked reform of Fannie and Freddie and that the money trail ends up at the door of Democrats including Obama himself. Obama has advisers who helped since Fannie and Freddie - and if they can do that to both those organizations, what can they do to America other than ruin its economic engines of capitalism.

40 Lizard by the Bay  10/06/08 10:47:36 am reply quote

This is partly Palin's fault for wanting it both ways by appeasing the creationists in her own state. She should never have thown them those verbal bones. Granted, at the time she did it she had no idea she'd be fingered for a much higher political office beyond Alaska.

41 Cap'n DOC  10/06/08 10:47:58 am reply quote

re: #35 Walter L. Newton

Geeeesh, Walter. You'd think the election was tomorrow.

42 legalpad  10/06/08 10:49:35 am reply quote

re: #35 Walter L. Newton

Yeah, you are probably right. Republicans wait and wait, they are silent. Who the hell knows why - Meantime the Democrats are lying faster than they breathe - chanting, drumbeat, hysteria-
/Heil Hitler

43 opnion  10/06/08 10:50:34 am reply quote

re: #25 jwb7605

To my knowledge, that is anecdotal.
Not documented.

I'd like to be wrong about that, if you have any links.


Ya know, I have heard & read it, but...........

44 legalpad  10/06/08 10:51:08 am reply quote

One thing though on the economy: the remaining debates are yet to come.

45 experiencedtraveller  10/06/08 10:51:48 am reply quote

re: #27 buzzsawmonkey

Whats eating you buzz? Is it the appalling is/are grammatical mistakes or the 'clamoring' aboard the ark idea?

/Everyone knows the ark has gangplanks. We can walk aboard like civilized people.

46 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  10/06/08 10:52:08 am reply quote

After preaching Doom and gloom, saying we need to pass the bailout right away or it would mean the end times, Bush has the balls to come out and say this:

SAN ANTONIO, Texas (AP) - As global markets plunged, President Bush on Monday said "it's going to take awhile" for the government's $700 billion financial rescue plan to bolster the troubled U.S. economy.

Bush said the purpose of the package was to unlock the nation's credit freeze "to get money moving again." But, he added: "We don't want to rush into the situation and have the program not be effective."

Fuck you. My confidence in this man is gone.

47 MrSnuggles  10/06/08 10:52:18 am reply quote

re: #35 Walter L. Newton

Well you know what they say, a lie is half way around the world by the time the truth gets out of bed. There is still time for McCain to point the finger at the dems. I still have not heard one reason or explanation as to why Bush's policies caused this crisis, and I'm sure the American people have not either. It is just the empty rhetoric that obama uses incessantly.

48 Ojoe  10/06/08 10:53:57 am reply quote

Man this creationism vs science debate goes nuts right away.

But how big or old is the universe to a light particle?

49 tfc3rid  10/06/08 10:53:59 am reply quote

re: #46 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

After preaching Doom and gloom, saying we need to pass the bailout right away or it would mean the end times, Bush has the balls to come out and say

50 ErnieG  10/06/08 10:54:23 am reply quote

re: #37 The Shadow Do

I thinks he should simply point out the crashing economy and state "this is what Socialism does, any more questions?"

Then they would say, "No, it's due to eight years of failed Republican policies." And he'd better have answers to that canard, with facts, chapter and verse. We have all seen these facts, here at LGF, on various blogs, and on Youtube. The pity is. we have not heard them from the McCain campaign

51 Vergeltung  10/06/08 10:54:36 am reply quote

re: #46 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

After preaching Doom and gloom, saying we need to pass the bailout right away or it would mean the end times, Bush has the balls to come out and say

52 ibmkeyboard  10/06/08 10:54:39 am reply quote

re: #46 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

After preaching Doom and gloom, saying we need to pass the bailout right away or it would mean the end times, Bush has the balls to come out and say this:

My confidence in this man is gone.

we risk a disintegration of global finance within days. Nobody will be spared, unless they own gold bars.

Who the fuck can eat gold bars?

Hey Bill Clinton!

Your frigging World Free Trade is going down.

53 Ojoe  10/06/08 10:54:41 am reply quote

re: #46 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Mine too, ever since the "ROP" comment.

54 Walter L. Newton  10/06/08 10:54:45 am reply quote

re: #41 Cap'n DOC

Geeeesh, Walter. You'd think the election was tomorrow.

re: #42 legalpad

Yeah, you are probably right. Republicans wait and wait, they are silent. Who the hell knows why - Meantime the Democrats are lying faster than they breathe - chanting, drumbeat, hysteria-
/Heil Hitler

Opinions, take your pick.

55 Cap'n DOC  10/06/08 10:54:47 am reply quote
56 debutaunt  10/06/08 10:54:51 am reply quote

re: #3 HugoChavez

I see my useful idiots are working furiously!

Habana cigars all around at the castle on "Selection Day"!

You again! Thugo!

57 tfc3rid  10/06/08 10:54:59 am reply quote

re: #47 MrSnuggles

Well you know what they say, a lie is half way around the world by the time the truth gets out of bed. There is still time for McCain to point the finger at the dems. I still have not heard one reason or explanation as to why Bush's policies caused this crisis, and I'm sure the American people have not either. It is just the empty rhetoric that obama uses incessantly.

Yeah but it is damn well working... There is no rhyme or reason but point the fing,er get the goons in the media on the case and you've got a radioactive issue...

58 Walter L. Newton  10/06/08 10:55:53 am reply quote

re: #48 Ojoe

Man this creationism vs science debate goes nuts right away. But how big or old is the universe to a light particle?

Or even to a heavy particle?

59 tfc3rid  10/06/08 10:56:04 am reply quote

I find it amazing and incredible that those of us here could probably run a more successful campaign for office than a large number of GOP'ers running this November...

60 Ojoe  10/06/08 10:56:41 am reply quote

re: #58 Walter L. Newton

Yes, a baryon (sp)

Light sees the universe as infinitely small and brand new, I think.

61 Ojoe  10/06/08 10:57:15 am reply quote

Gotta go to town back later

62 ZoomieMsgt  10/06/08 10:57:41 am reply quote

OK, I'm breaking my silence here and now. I vowed NEVER to make a comment in any sort of thread dealing with creationism, as I know this is Charles' topic of choice to anti-champion. It is a known taboo for lizards who want to live long in his aquarium, sunning under the lights and enjoying tidbits of squished liberals to feast upon. Soooo...in self preservation, I will not make a comment on Creationism itself, but I WILL ask a question that I believe has not seen the light of day. ::girds self and gathers thoughts::

Obama is completely expected to take the Black vote, using the Black community organizers, who are predominately pastors, deacons, preachers and otherwise VERY religious people(at least as a front). Are not all these people Christians? Who should believe, or at least espouse the truth that man was created in God's image and that evolutionism is anathema to them? Are they now saying that the color of a man's skin can and should overcome the truth? They would support a man who's other supporters, the ones who FUND his campaign, are counting on Obama to make abortions legal, to ban even discussing creationism in the classroom, to muzzle those who would have a Christian thought in public?

Is the Black vote really his if these things would be spoken of in more than whispers?

OK, I've run out of steam. I know how I feel, and unlike liberals, I can put my emotion in check to state facts. The MSM will never highlight the inherent differences between the socialist party that Obama wants and the truth that he will toss his people under the bus to gain even greater power if he succeeds.

63 Walter L. Newton  10/06/08 10:57:46 am reply quote

re: #60 Ojoe

Yes, a baryon (sp) Light sees the universe as infinitely small and brand new, I think.

Ah, I was just trying at a little humor, light/heavy, geek humor, tough room here. :)

64 ibmkeyboard  10/06/08 10:57:47 am reply quote

re: #59 tfc3rid

I find it amazing and incredible that those of us here could probably run a more successful campaign for office than a large number of GOP'ers running this November...

I'm voting for my neighbor Madaune Gunch,

she is a rebel.

65 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  10/06/08 10:57:51 am reply quote

re: #51 Vergeltung

I don't see the origin of your fury here. what he said makes sense, and does not contradict getting the legislative framework (the bill) in place, and then having it work its course from there.

am I missing something?

My fury is I was against the idea of the bailout in the first place. Bush and congress used fear tactics and political strong arming to get it to pass and disregarded the public opinion to get it rushed thru without proper hearings. Now that they have the money, they want to take the time to make sure they got it right? Thats bullshit.

66 Vergeltung  10/06/08 10:58:02 am reply quote

re: #59 tfc3rid

I find it amazing and incredible that those of us here could probably run a more successful campaign for office than a large number of GOP'ers running this November...

heh. I guess that is why it seems easier to sit and watch over a new attorney doing a trial, than to actually do one yourself. ;)

67 CIA Reject  10/06/08 10:58:06 am reply quote

re: #59 tfc3rid

I find it amazing and incredible that those of us here could probably run a more successful campaign for office than a large number of GOP'ers running this November...

Any GOP candidate, even with the best of management, will have difficult time because they have to run against both their opponent and the media.

68 realwest  10/06/08 10:58:28 am reply quote

re: #39 lawhawk
Oh I agree that this goes to the election my friend, but it wasn't about Palin/Creationism and it was early in the thread, that's why I apologized for going "OT"!

69 unrealizedviewpoint  10/06/08 10:59:10 am reply quote

re: #46 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

After preaching Doom and gloom, saying we need to pass the bailout right away or it would mean the end times, Bush has the balls to come out and say this:

Fuck you. My confidence in this man is gone.

The good news is he's only got 3 months left. The bad news may be his replacement.

70 Cognito  10/06/08 10:59:40 am reply quote

At this point I think all this stuff -- creationism, Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright, etc -- are penny-ante affairs.

The economy is all that matters. All. It has sucked every ounce of oxygen from the atmosphere, and it is the thing on which McCain should focus in my opinion. People must understand how we got into this mess. At this point I think the average person feels -- judging by the success Obama has met during the market collapse -- that the blame lies at the feet of the Bush administration, because this happened during Bush's tenure.

I think McCain should drop every other talking point and focus on educating voters about how certain Washington characters drove the economy into the ground, and did it to their own political and financial benefit.

71 Vergeltung  10/06/08 10:59:51 am reply quote

re: #62 ZoomieMsgt

frankly, their issues of afro-centrism, and black empowerment outweigh the Christian doctrines they are supposed to be adhering to.....

72 Ojoe  10/06/08 11:00:00 am reply quote

re: #63 Walter L. Newton

I had a physicist friend who had a cat called Mu Meson.


Ha ha!

LGF: Humor site

BBL

73 Walter L. Newton  10/06/08 11:00:03 am reply quote

re: #64 ibmkeyboard

I'm voting for my neighbor Madaune Gunch, she is a rebel.

You got it. Remember when she went on that hunger strike over that mistake about an overdue library book? Front page article in the Down Home Transcript.

74 unrealizedviewpoint  10/06/08 11:00:32 am reply quote

re: #59 tfc3rid

I find it amazing and incredible that those of us here could probably run a more successful campaign for office than a large number of GOP'ers running this November...

We have the luxury of sitting back and watching from the sidelines. It's always easier from here.

75 tfc3rid  10/06/08 11:00:36 am reply quote

re: #66 Vergeltung

heh. I guess that is why it seems easier to sit and watch over a new attorney doing a trial, than to actually do one yourself. ;)

Well, I went into my local GOP office over 1 year ago and wanted to run... They put no one up in local elections and I offered to do it... I wasn't 'connected' enough to the local NYC politick for them...

I wanted to run...

76 Vergeltung  10/06/08 11:01:27 am reply quote

re: #70 Cognito

you certainly have a valid point there, IMO.

77 Cap'n DOC  10/06/08 11:02:43 am reply quote

re: #59 tfc3rid

Yaw, yaw... The LizardKingdomBarka-Lounger.

78 ErnieG  10/06/08 11:04:05 am reply quote

re: #74 unrealizedviewpoint

We have the luxury of sitting back and watching from the sidelines. It's always easier from here.

“Bullfight critics ranked in rows
Crowd the enormous Plaza full
But only one is there who knows
And he's the man who fights the bull.”

- Domingo Ortega

79 realwest  10/06/08 11:04:15 am reply quote

re: #35 Walter L. Newton
With all due respect Walter, the case isn't closed and although they tried, the Dems and MSM haven't succeeded in laying this on McCain. I believe in what I said in my #34; tomorrow night is the debate with the focus on the economy and it is manifestly true that other than tax, tax and tax some more of what's left and blaming it on the Republicans, the Dems and Obama have NOTHING to say about the Economy.
And the truth is that the Dems are responsible for the Subprime mortgage mess; it's true that some more adventuresome Wall Street types tried to (and many did) cash in on it, the entire subprime mortgage market only exists BECAUSE of the Democrats.
IF McCain hits this point over and over, folks will understand. And Obama, after over a year of presenting NO economic plans at all, is gonna be hard pressed to come up with something now.

80 Vergeltung  10/06/08 11:04:32 am reply quote

re: #75 tfc3rid

Well, I went into my local GOP office over 1 year ago and wanted to run... They put no one up in local elections and I offered to do it... I wasn't 'connected' enough to the local NYC politick for them...

I wanted to run...

I sure do hear you. I friend of mine (we're both attorneys) wanted to get involved with the local Republican party several years ago. He's a combat vet, I used to be a DA, etc. They were like "yeah, sure sonny,...sure you can"

we never heard from them (no returned calls, etc). we moved on over to the Conservative party here in the county, and in s hort space of time, we both have been committee-men and now serve on the executive committee in each town.

sometimes, the smaller parties are "hungrier" :)

81 realwest  10/06/08 11:05:15 am reply quote

re: #44 legalpad
YES - please see my #34!

83 The Shadow Do  10/06/08 11:06:06 am reply quote

re: #70 Cognito

You are right, Cognito. "it's the economy stupid" was never truer. I don't know how he can break the tag of Washington insider. "Maverick" has lost all meaning at present.

He needs to do what he threatened by "naming names" and not stop until election day for any hope whatsoever. The public is mighty fed up and not too keen, nor ever curious it seems, on the details.

84 Vergeltung  10/06/08 11:06:10 am reply quote

re: #82 jill e

wow, that's should open some eyes!

85 Ringo the Gringo  10/06/08 11:06:18 am reply quote

re: #70 Cognito


I think McCain should drop every other talking point and focus on educating voters about how certain Washington characters drove the economy into the ground, and did it to their own political and financial benefit.

I agree.

Meanwhile, Sarah Palin can be the one to discuss Obama's past associates. She does it better anyhow.

86 legalpad  10/06/08 11:06:29 am reply quote

re: #70 Cognito

If we all know this, you'd think the McCain campaign would. Good grief.

87 unrealizedviewpoint  10/06/08 11:08:14 am reply quote

re: #83 The Shadow Do

You are right, Cognito. "it's the economy stupid" was never truer. I don't know how he can break the tag of Washington insider. "Maverick" has lost all meaning at present.

He needs to do what he threatened by "naming names" and not stop until election day for any hope whatsoever. The public is mighty fed up and not too keen, nor ever curious it seems, on the details.

That's is so.. Maverick ain't cuttin' it. What have you done for me today? Besides, I didn't really agree with what you were being a Maverick about.

88 realwest  10/06/08 11:08:54 am reply quote

re: #70 Cognito
Gee Cog - that's what I said in my #34 - we agree on something! Shocka!
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89 Outrider  10/06/08 11:08:55 am reply quote

re: #15 opnion

Just one last comment re the last thread.
The Obama surrogates are all over today claiming that Obama hardly knew Ayers. That assertion is of course preposterous.
Think about this, Ayers babysat for the Obama children.
Think about it, would you allow an adult male that you hardly know spend the evening alone with your small children?

I continue to read this, but it is always in comments. Is there anything factual that states Ayers babysat the Obama children? It is pointless and counter-productive to continue to state something that can not be substantiated.

90 legalpad  10/06/08 11:09:25 am reply quote

re: #81 realwest

Yep

91 Jetpilot1101  10/06/08 11:09:32 am reply quote

The problem with this "creationist" crap is that folks who don't do their DD wind up spewing these distortions all over the place where more people who don't do research believe it.

For the record, a lot of atheists/agnostics on YouTube are spewing this kind of crap on their channels. I'm not saying they mean much, but some idiots actually believe crap that people say on YouTube.

92 Vergeltung  10/06/08 11:10:45 am reply quote

schnikies, the stock market keeps going down, and world markets are not doing well either. Drudge has alot of related economic stories. I guess it really is an inter-related global economy.

there's one article on there (from the UK, I think someone linked it already), where the guy is basically saying the sky is falling. according to the comments, many readers say he has said this since 1987, but, there is some logic to it if you read the article.

seems like the EU is not acting as decicively as they need to. that too, makes sense.....

93 Dirk Diggler  10/06/08 11:11:21 am reply quote

Merciful mother of crap!

DOW down 614.

94 Walter L. Newton  10/06/08 11:12:02 am reply quote

re: #79 realwest

I know that the blame lays mainly with the Dems. But my point was that I didn't hear anything from the McCain campaign (or even other Repubs) on this between the Monday vote and the Friday vote.

But the left was all over it, both Obama and the spin doctors. And considering that the attention span of the average American is about the lengh to a TV commercial, I think that the left ALREADY managed to set the preception of blame in stone.

Yes, McCain needs to use his time Tuesday night on detailing the other side of the issue, but he will be playing catch up now.

Not a good position to be in. This would have been a slam dunk last week. I don't understand it. Every time he turns around, McCain is letting everyone else define him, and he doesn't seem to be exerting any effort to do it himself.

95 realwest  10/06/08 11:12:20 am reply quote

re: #93 Dirk Diggler
Hey Dirk - what's oil running at - earlier it was under $96 a barrell.

96 Jetpilot1101  10/06/08 11:13:15 am reply quote

re: #92 Vergeltung

As Gomer Pile would say "we are in a a world of shit". My feeling is that the DOW is going to hit close to 8000 before this turns itself around. I also think that it's going to take a few years to get us out of this mess. I'm stashing funds in a brokerage account to sift through the carnage once the dust settles. Money is made in a down market. Don't try and call a bottom but I think there will be a lot of great companies on sale in the next few years.

97 Lizard by the Bay  10/06/08 11:13:45 am reply quote

re: #93 Dirk Diggler

Merciful mother of crap!

DOW down

98 Jetpilot1101  10/06/08 11:13:58 am reply quote

re: #93 Dirk Diggler

Merciful mother of crap!

DOW down

99 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  10/06/08 11:14:03 am reply quote

More proof of the uselessness of the UN:

Brigadier Mark Carleton-Smith said if the Taliban were willing to talk, that might be "precisely the sort of progress" needed to end the insurgency.

"I've always said to those that talk about the military surge ... what we need most of all is a political surge, more political energy," Kai Eide, the U.N. special envoy to Afghanistan, told a news conference in Kabul.

"We all know that we cannot win it militarily. It has to be won through political means. That means political engagement."