Why would anybody use IE6, unless their OS requires it, like Windows 2000?

Charles, I'm getting two lines of CSS at the top of the page w/ FF 3.0.3

Until forced to use it last night, I'd forgotten how much I hate IE.

IE7 is fine.

We need a young programmer and an old programmer.

But my font size is smaller and I didn't do anything. Will it come back?

Tech talk! I'm strangely aroused.

Unless IE8 is a complete 180 turn from what IE has been since version 3, I will probably never use it again. Seriously people, you should be using Firefox or Safari.

I wonder where Earth2moonbat is nowadays.

re: #1 Ward Cleaver

Some of us have incompetent outsourced IT.

re: #9 MandyManners

I wonder where Earth2moonbat is nowadays.

Me too.

Bobby Jindal, please pick up the white courtesy phone.

Charles:

Heads up, getting this in header using IE7:

medium, .mediumgb, .adstrip_title, .blogheader, h2, h5 { font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 120%; } .sidetitle, .LGFmaindiv p.LGFtitle { font-family: Tahoma; } .posts, p, .nonlink { font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 120%; } .smalltext, .archive, .byline, .postinfo, .te_1, .LGFmaindiv p { font-family: Helvetica; } blockquote, .frontquote, blockquote p { font-family: Times New Roman; }

Closing browser and restarting....

re: #11 Sharmuta

We lost him quite some time ago. Not sure why he doesn't post any more.

medium, .mediumgb, .adstrip_title, .blogheader, h2, h5 { font-family: Arial; font-size: 150%; } .sidetitle, .LGFmaindiv p.LGFtitle { font-family: Arial; } .posts, p, .nonlink { font-family: Arial; font-size: 150%; } .smalltext, .archive, .byline, .postinfo, .te_1, .LGFmaindiv p { font-family: Arial; } blockquote, .frontquote, blockquote p { font-family: Arial; }

This was at the top of the page above the masthead.

re: #12 Killgore Trout

Bobby Jindal, please pick up the white courtesy phone.

Heh.

re: #2 bosforus

Charles, I'm getting two lines of CSS at the top of the page w/ FF 3.0.3

Same here. FF3/XP

medium, .mediumgb, .adstrip_title, .blogheader, h2, h5 { font-family: Trebuchet MS; font-size: 145%; } .sidetitle, .LGFmaindiv p.LGFtitle { font-family: Trebuchet MS; } .posts, p, .nonlink { font-family: Verdana; font-size: 95%; } .smalltext, .archive, .byline, .postinfo, .te_1, .LGFmaindiv p { font-family: Helvetica; } blockquote, .frontquote, blockquote p { font-family: Times New Roman; }

re: #10 acwgusa

Some of us have incompetent outsourced IT.

Oh that sucks. Firefox 3.0.3 runs even in Win2K. Of course if you have Web-based apps that won't run in IE7, well...

Charles, still there after browser restart, grey strip at top of page with that in it.

Charles, I'm using Safari 3, and I see this across the top of any LGF window:

.medium, .mediumgb, .adstrip_title, .blogheader, h2, h5 { font-family: Trebuchet MS; font-size: 160%; } .sidetitle, .LGFmaindiv p.LGFtitle { font-family: Trebuchet MS; } .posts, p, .nonlink { font-family: Verdana; font-size: 100%; } .smalltext, .archive, .byline, .postinfo, .te_1, .LGFmaindiv p { font-family: Verdana; } blockquote, .frontquote, blockquote p { font-family: Arial; }

re: #14 Killgore Trout

We lost him quite some time ago. Not sure why he doesn't post any more.

I miss him too. And "Targetpractice, Worst of both worlds". And SoCalJustice.

re: #17 Outrider

Probably a missing bracket somewhere, if I had to guess.

Poor Charles. Bet he feels like a Mother at supper time with a hubbie, 10 kids, two dogs, five cats all screaming for supper while three pots are boiling over on the stove. And visiting in-laws. With M-I-L telling her she is doing it wrong. ;-)>

I have IE 7 upgraded/ with XP. All of a sudden my computer is freezing up, or I am being kicked out of LGF when I push the new comments button. I think my McAfee-with-Steroids might have something to do with it, but I'm not sure. Everything worked perfectly before.

.medium, .mediumgb, .adstrip_title, .blogheader, h2, h5 { font-family: Trebuchet MS; font-size: 145%; } .sidetitle, .LGFmaindiv p.LGFtitle { font-family: Trebuchet MS; } .posts, p, .nonlink { font-family: Verdana; font-size: 100%; } .smalltext, .archive, .byline, .postinfo, .te_1, .LGFmaindiv p { font-family: Verdana; } blockquote, .frontquote, blockquote p { font-family: Times New Roman; }

Me too. FF3.03, both on my Vista and XP Pro machines.

If you’re using Internet Explorer version 6, you need to have your head examined.

There, I fixed it for you.

I want to witness the exorcism of IE6. Really. Maybe we can make one of those PC vs. Mac ads out of it.

I getting the comic relief version:
.medium, .mediumgb, .adstrip_title, .blogheader, h2, h5 { font-family: Comic Sans MS; font-size: 150%; } .sidetitle, .LGFmaindiv p.LGFtitle { font-family: Comic Sans MS; } .posts, p, .nonlink { font-family: Comic Sans MS; font-size: 100%; } .smalltext, .archive, .byline, .postinfo, .te_1, .LGFmaindiv p { font-family: Comic Sans MS; } blockquote, .frontquote, blockquote p { font-family: Comic Sans MS; }

I pulled up FF3 and did not see that strange header. Nor am I seeing it in Safari, though I'm not sure what version I'm using. I'm not pulling up IE. I've had enough IE to last the rest of the year.

.medium, .mediumgb, .adstrip_title, .blogheader, h2, h5 { font-family: Verdana; font-size: 145%; } .sidetitle, .LGFmaindiv p.LGFtitle { font-family: Verdana; } .posts, p, .nonlink { font-family: Verdana; font-size: 100%; } .smalltext, .archive, .byline, .postinfo, .te_1, .LGFmaindiv p { font-family: Verdana; } blockquote, .frontquote, blockquote p { font-family: Arial; }

It's kinda like seeing the man behind the curtain....."Pay no attention, I am the great and terrible OZ!"

Charles, are you using separate style sheets for your IE 'hacks'?

I am using Safari 3.1.2 and get:
.medium, .mediumgb, .adstrip_title, .blogheader, h2, h5 { font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 145%; } .sidetitle, .LGFmaindiv p.LGFtitle { font-family: Lucida Grande; } .posts, p, .nonlink { font-family: Arial; font-size: 100%; } .smalltext, .archive, .byline, .postinfo, .te_1, .LGFmaindiv p { font-family: Verdana; } blockquote, .frontquote, blockquote p { font-family: Arial; }
Front end missing bracket, looks like

re: #29 Sharmuta

I only use IE for two sites that I have to visit. One's my credit card, the other is my company I work for part time. Both sites for some reason only work in IE. I complained about one, but I think the webmasters are lazy and just pulled everything out of a box.

re: #8 zerodamage

Unless IE8 is a complete 180 turn from what IE has been since version 3, I will probably never use it again. Seriously people, you should be using Firefox or Safari.

I read that IE8 will be a very good browser - the latest 7 isn't too bad. I have IE6 loaded just for cross-browser proofreading, but I can't imagine why anyone would have 6 at this point.

/I design webpages too
//pretty much despise IE

Those sneaky Jooooos!
Yemen dismantled Israeli-linked terrorist cell: President

Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Saleh said on Monday that Yemeni police have dismantled a "terrorist cell linked to the Israeli intelligence services.""Members of a terrorist cell were arrested five days ago, and will be put on trial for links with the Israeli intelligence services," Saleh said in speech in the south-eastern province of Hadhramout.

Quoted by the official Saba news agency, Saleh said, however, the cell was operating under the "slogan of Islam."

My browser window is all jacked up!

/wait. no its not. I'm on a Mac using Safari - and it is working perfectly - as usual.

nanernanernaner.

Reload and that bogus CSS code will be gone.

Charles, I got something at the top of my page that looks like your code. Did you misplace it somewhere?

.medium, .mediumgb, .adstrip_title, .blogheader, h2, h5 { font-family: Trebuchet MS; font-size: 145%; } .sidetitle, .LGFmaindiv p.LGFtitle { font-family: Trebuchet MS; } .posts, p, .nonlink { font-family: Verdana; font-size: 95%; } .smalltext, .archive, .byline, .postinfo, .te_1, .LGFmaindiv p { font-family: Verdana; } blockquote, .frontquote, blockquote p { font-family: Tahoma; }

Using Firefox on Windows XP.

As the code gets ever older and web browsers get ever more functionality via kludgware, it becomes ever more difficult to maintain a web page. It's a Sisyphean task, but our valiant Top Lizard's inner code warrior never flinches.

re: #37 Charles

Charles, I'm using Vista Home Premium Edition with IE7 and have not experienced any problems what-so-ever. I hope that helps.

Now it's at the bottom!
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/kidding

Its gones-ville, daddy-O!

re: #37 Charles

Reload and that bogus CSS code will be gone.

For you, Charles, I will reload.

An amazing amount of our clients still use IE6, and there's not a lot more we can do for them as time marches forward. Div tags, transparent png files, all lost on that browser. For a lot of folks and companies - if it ain't broke (and they don't know it's broke)...

Problem is, the web is sort of like a race, everybody is getting Ferraris and Porsches, and the people in old Ford pick-ups still expect you to keep them in the hunt.

re: #1 Ward Cleaver

Why would anybody use IE6, unless their OS requires it, like Windows 2000?

I have W2000P and use FF3.
Or am I missing something here?

/I'm basically a net neanderthal

cheers

eon

OT:

This is why I adore James Lileks, even if he does live in Minnesota:

and more than enough merchandising opportunities to remind you where you are – plus the Hidden Mickeys, of course. There are people who are obsessed with finding every – bleedin’ Mickey in the joint, and probably rip off the concierge’s blouse looking for three-circle birthmarks.

That is...just great prose, and it's just dashed off!

re: #46 Dianna

what's wrong with Minnesota?

How about a nice quote for the thread:

“The second amendment gives the individual citizen a means of protection against the despotism of the state. Look what it refers to: “The security of a free state.” The word “free” should be underlined because that is what they are talking about and that is what the Constitution is about–a free nation and a free people, where the rights of the individual are preeminent. The founding fathers had seen, as the Declaration of Independence tells us, what a despotic government can do to its own people. Indeed, every American should read the Declaration of Independence before he reads the Constitution, and he will see that the Constitution aims at preventing a recurrence of the way George III’s government treated the colonies.”

President Ronald Reagan

re: #43 Dianna

Dianna, I would like to take this opportunity to say that I always thought your avatar was way cool! Kudos!

Just sent this to johnmccain.com:

Thank the Diety that Senator McCain is finally dealing out the plain facts about Obama. Now get busy and win this election. Name names, there is no reason to hold back on Wright, Obama sent him taxpayer money. Explain how Raines and Rezco and Obama conspired to rip off the American people. Mention Barney Franks' friend Moses at Fannie Mae. Explain why Ayers matters. Not only because he is an unrepentant terrorist, mention real crimes done and attempted such as the Murtaugh and Fort Dix bombings and the death of the police officer. It also matters because of the tax free money machine Obama was part of. Finally lay out all your records for anyone, not just favored reporters to see. Every Annapolis demerit, the divorce, everything should be on the table. Then demand a list of documents from Obama from birth certificate to school records and legal time sheets. This man Obama has had three non-elected jobs in his life, entry level writer for a financial newsletter that he embellished on his resume, adjunct instructor at a law school without going through faculty review or doing scholarly work and junior lawyer on the case in which Acorn forced through sub-prime mortgages in Illinois.

Where are the surrogates? Romney should be doing 3 events a day in Michigan now through November 3rd. Giuliani should be doing the same in Florida with Lieberman. Fred Thompson should be all over Indiana and Ohio working every town big enough to have a traffic light. This is the last lap, hold nothing back.

re: #47 Querent

Snow. And mosquitoes.

Between the two, it's like Alaska, with the Mall of the Americas dropped in the middle.

I'm a California girl; we visit the snow, and mosquitoes are carefully sought out and allowed into the house for the cat to hunt.

re: #49 GeeWiz

Why, thank you!

I was at the hairdresser today. The gal cutting my hair asked me if I voted regularly. I said I did. She said, Do you think Obama is the antichrist? I about fell outta the chair laughing,

re: #44 uncle_monkey

True, but the major problem (from my POV) is the ISP architectures. The service providers (AT&T/Yahoo, etc.) are often so determined to update them so quickly and repeatedly, that they forget details like what used to be called "back-compatibility". That is, the idea that a system that may not be the most bleeding-edge there is must still be able to connect.

The same thing happened with the telephone system during the changeover from dial to touch-tone. But in fact, AFAIK, the telephone system still allows the use of dial phones.

/AT&T should take note

cheers

eon

Just got tickets to see the McCain/Palin rally in Va. Beach on Columbus Day! The last rally the husband went to was for Bill Clinton.

As some of you know, I still do some at home contract programming for some clients like Kaiser and an occasional desktop project for home users.

I just had a person drop off a HP mini-tower W98se box. He tried to insert a USB memory stick into the USB port, and for what ever reason, he blew most of the windows operating system directories.

I'm sitting here manually fixing each and every W98se system files using scan disk, becuase it won't let me reinstall W98se without the file structure being recontructed.

And this person still uses dial up at 56k.

So, I don't want to hear any complaints about IE6. LOL.

RNC UNLOADS ITS AYERS FILE...

Anybody see this yet?

My place of employment only allows us to use IE6. No IE7, No Firefox. It gets harder day by day as websites move towards more standards compliant code, which breaks IE6.

re: #53 Wishing

I was at the hairdresser today. The gal cutting my hair asked me if I voted regularly. I said I did. She said, Do you think Obama is the antichrist? I about fell outta the chair laughing,

Do we get to vote on the antichrist? I sort of thought it was based on, I dunno, heredity, or maybe merit.

Thank you all for your support!

(and someone please let Kansas know that I am not a 17 year old liberal)

re: #60 Ben Hur

Thank you all for your support!

(and someone please let Kansas know that I am not a 17 year old liberal)

LOL! Yeah, right.

Why do people still use IE6? Switch/upgrade already!

People still use IE6? Oooooo...Kaaaaaayyyyy...

re: #62 Dekar

Why do people still use IE6? Switch/upgrade already!

Because some people still use W98, see my #56 above!

re: #63 Tom Blogical

Seriously. Life in general improved when i switched to Firefox

BBL

Have a campaign to run.

Larry Elder also speaking positively of Waxman's work, getting Lehman execs to admit their indecent compensation.

Not the only finance zex doing so, betcha.

re: #52 Dianna

You're quite welcome. This comes from someone that discovered 2 baby squirrels that fell from the nest injured in the fall & fall (autumn). I nursed them back to health over the winter and released them in the spring. They continue to come around looking for the peanuts I gladly provide.

We've seen the Democrats and the media reject females as serious contenders for the highest offices. Just curious what would have happened if Alan Keyes had been a serious, viable Republican candidate?

Democrat lawyer Robert Bennett, who investigated the Keating Five for the Senate dems, and said McCain was exonerated, will be on with Mark Levin at the bottom of the hour. You can listen here.

I have retired IE a long time ago.

re: #64 Walter L. Newton

Because some people still use W98, see my #56 above!

Wow, i don't know what to say. I never had a comp that lasted 5 years let alone 10+

re: #12 Killgore Trout

Bobby Jindal, please pick up the white courtesy phone.

Why is it the WHITE courtesy phone?!

ARE THEY THE ONLY ONES CAPABLE OF COURTESY?!

re: #57 USCMSNE

RNC UNLOADS ITS AYERS FILE...

Anybody see this yet?

About time! Now USE IT John!

Sometimes I think overly rapid (and/or vapid) Leftists need an exorcism as well.

re: #72 Dekar

Wow, i don't know what to say. I never had a comp that lasted 5 years let alone 10+

We had a 386 in the lab that finally died at 13 years old...it was like the family dog.

re: #73 TheMatrix31

Why is it the WHITE courtesy phone?!

ARE THEY THE ONLY ONES CAPABLE OF COURTESY?!

The red phone is for loading and unloading only.

re: #72 Dekar

Wow, i don't know what to say. I never had a comp that lasted 5 years let alone 10+

I use a 3ghz HP box, with XP Pro, but I have a few 98 boxes here I keep for back ups. Last summer, my power supply went on the XP machine, and I used the 98 box all summer (I was too lazy to replace the power supply).

And a lot of the folks I do some of the desktop support for are senior citizens who really don't need all the high power stuff, they've had their 98 machines since th 90's.

re: #69 Outrider

We've seen the Democrats and the media reject females as serious contenders for the highest offices. Just curious what would have happened if Alan Keyes had been a serious, viable Republican candidate?

I would have voted for him.

re: #77 OldLineTexan

The red phone is for loading and unloading only.

Ding! Gratuitous Airplane quotes are always a winner!

I surprised there are people using ANY version of IE, but I have to remind myself that most computer users just do follow IT like us developers/IT professionals do.

At least I can shield my family and friends form Microsoft...

re: #78 Walter L. Newton

I use a 3ghz HP box, with XP Pro, but I have a few 98 boxes here I keep for back ups. Last summer, my power supply went on the XP machine, and I used the 98 box all summer (I was too lazy to replace the power supply).

And a lot of the folks I do some of the desktop support for are senior citizens who really don't need all the high power stuff, they've had their 98 machines since th 90's.

I upgraded my mothers Windows ME machine to XP three years ago when the hard drived died. She decided to retire it over the summer and I got her a nice little HP tower on sale. Since I cleaned all some of the junk out of Vista it has been doing great.

re: #62 Dekar

Because some places of employment won't allow an update. Some companies have software that depend on IE6 and may break if upgraded.

Charles,

IE6 Needs an Exorcism

You mean "enema".

"This browser needs an enema."

re: #56 Walter L. Newton
That described me until a couple of months ago, except it was a Dell, and it still "works."

The financial crisis thread is getting much too long. But I have nothing to say about technical issues except, "Well...uh...oh...wow!"

re: #73 TheMatrix31

Why is it the WHITE courtesy phone?!

ARE THEY THE ONLY ONES CAPABLE OF COURTESY?!

Reminds me of an old joke-

Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton were protesting in front of a Chicago-area Sears store because all the washing machines were white, and that was racist.

The manager came out and asked if either of them had looked in the washers. They both said no, why, what difference does that make? The manager said if you would have bothered to look in the machines you'd see that all the agitators are black.

re: #81 Kevitivity

I surprised there are people using ANY version of IE, but I have to remind myself that most computer users just do follow IT like us developers/IT professionals do.

At least I can shield my family and friends form Microsoft...

Well, up to a few years ago, I made my living for 25 years as a programmer under Windows platforms, so Microsoft has paid my bills.

I work in live theatre now, and only do the programming and desktop support on a part time basis, but I can't complain, there's a lot of Windows boxes out there.

That's my bottom line.

As a fellow Web App developer, I can sympathize with you. IE6 was coded by Satan himself.

Listen, far be it from me to defend Windoze. I cut my 'puter teeth on assembler, basic, pascal and other assorted programming languages. I KNOW WHAT A KLUDGE MICROSOFT CAN PRODUCE. However, that being said, I have even more dislikes about some of the other browsers available and though I regret any work-arounds Charles may have to use, I appreciate that they are being implemented at least until I can find a browser that I like and that works the way I want it to. It's not easy searching for a browser. There's a lot of time spent and most of the time wasted installing and uninstalling software. Not to mention the registry changes that may or may not be removed and that cause other problems. I'm using what works best for me so far. Those of you who are happy with their browser -- G!d bless you! Now quite carping about my browser and pray that someone, somewhere creates a browser that everyone can use.

re: #33 BlueCanuck

I only use IE for two sites that I have to visit. One's my credit card, the other is my company I work for part time. Both sites for some reason only work in IE. I complained about one, but I think the webmasters are lazy and just pulled everything out of a box.

Same here- I only open it because certain sites demand it of me, but I'm always pissed about it.

This problem is fixed now, at the cost of having the columns look slightly lopsided.

But it you drink enough, they'll look straight again.

McCain's finally talking about Freddie, Fannie and Obama

re: #57 USCMSNE

RNC UNLOADS ITS AYERS FILE...

Anybody see this yet?

That is a direct hit!

re: #85 wrenchwench

That described me until a couple of months ago, except it was a Dell, and it still "works."

That fits the gentleman who just drop off his Window 98 box. He uses dial up, he says it works for him and he's happy. He's in his middle 60's and just doesn't want to fuss with network cards and cable modems etc. (even though he does have Comcast cable).

But his ex-wife is not happy. Two weeks ago, he was surfing at his ex-wifes house, on her computer, and decided to visit a porn site.

The site was trying to push some sort of trojan or adware down to the desktop, so he shut the whole thing down.

He decided to do a system recovery, ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE FACTORY SETTINGS. The box was a HP, built in 2002.

So, his ex-wife suddenly has a fresh box with nothing that looks right, works right, and she lost access to a lot of stuff that she had installed over the years.

It took me two days to rebuild the system and upgrade it back to XP SP3 and all her programs, files, documents etc.

Ex-hubby paid for it.

Hi Charles,
Wow, It really does need an exorcist! Not only does the comment page keep resetting, but I get thrown back to the LGF home page with all written data lost. May want to check up on this.

Cheers!

re: #97 buzzsawmonkey

I saw that- it was very good.

I hope JMV comes back soon. My clue bat was just getting warmed up.

re: #57 USCMSNE

RNC UNLOADS ITS AYERS FILE...

Anybody see this yet?

Good link!

Bennett on with Levin right now. Listen here.

Firefox used to be a sweet browser... lots of add-ons and plug-ins to customize it to your own tastes.

Now its a buggy mess. Sometimes "new and improved" ain't.

Heading home. I'm feeling sick again, which really bugs the daylights out of me.

Take care, lizards!

re: #50 lifeofthemind

Where are the surrogates? Romney should be doing 3 events a day in Michigan now through November 3rd. Giuliani should be doing the same in Florida with Lieberman. Fred Thompson should be all over Indiana and Ohio working every town big enough to have a traffic light. This is the last lap, hold nothing back.

I hate to say it, but I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that the GOP's leadership is about convinced (mainly by polls) that The One has it locked up, and is already planning for 2012. The idea being that they expect four years of the Messiah to be as catastrophic for America as four years of Jimmy Carter were three decades ago. Which means that they will have a chance to beat him in '12 with a good, safe, reliable mainstream Republican who will do proper obeisance to the leadership and maintain the status quo.

/in short, thinking like Democrats do whenever a non-radical slips through the cracks and threatens to become a national figure- think Zell Miller or Joe Lieberman

What they forget is how close Gerald Ford came to winning in '76, in spite of one of the more lackluster campaigns in modern history. IIRC, it was less than a quarter-million votes across the entire U.S., even with the albatross of Watergate hung around President Ford's neck due to pardoning Tricky Dick. To me, at the time, this indicated a certain disenchantment with Jimmy-Earl going in, even among Democrats, that turned into buyer's remorse almost as soon as he took office. To steal Hunter S. Thompson's observation about Nixon, Carter's seemingly supernatural talent to turn almost any minor problem into a stem-winding crisis caused him to blow the boilers of the Ship of State almost instantly upon assuming command. (Having underlings like Cyrus Vance, Harold Brown, Andrew Young and Bert Lance didn't help any, either- even though Vance at least had the common decency to resign when it was obvious that his foreign policy was an unmitigated disaster, after Desert One.)

The other thing the GOP leadership may be failing to consider is- what if Obama does more damage to this country, comparatively speaking, than Carter did? In many ways, The One is (IMHO) a much weaker man than Carter. He is a product of the hothouse political culture of Cook County, much as Bill Clinton was of the culture of Arkansas politics, notably Hot Springs, the state's answer to Mos Eisely Spaceport. Based on his background, I would expect The One to be rather belligerent toward domestic opponents on the grounds that if they cannot see his brilliance, they are too stupid to have an opinion and should therefore STFD and STFU, or else. Versus foreign opponents (of the United States) I would expect him to seek "deals" wherever he thinks he can get them- at any cost.

The first time he found himself up against an enemy who was not interested in "deals", for political, strategic, or eschatological reasons, I would expect him to collapse like a house of cards when somebody slams the front door. Much as Carter did when the Iran hostage crisis- which he helped set off by his weak response to Khomeini & Co.- blew up in his face.

Of course, back then, the most likely opponents didn't have nuclear weapons. Now, if they don't have them right now, they probably will have them before The One takes the Oath of Office.

This really isn't the time for the GOP to try to play "wait for next time." There might not be one.

/just saying

cheers

eon

Charles, This works.

Whatever you did is better than what I had this morning. This morning the front page loaded OK. If I clicked on an article's read comments link, that page would begin to load in a normal fashion. Somewhere in the loading process, everything would disappear except the header at top. I tried refreshing and all to no avail. I am running:

Mozilla Firefox 2.0.0.17

on a:

1.25GHz G4 PowerPC running OS X.3.9.

This now looks normal.

From RacerX:

Hope does not equal accomplishment. Entitlement does not equal empowerment.

I just thought it was brilliant, and wanted to share it again.

re: #78 Walter L. Newton

My network machines at work all run XT Pro. I run Vista at home w/IE7. I want to convert the work network to Vista but it would require a major $$ investment for the sofware up-grade to the SCO Unix up-grade to accomodate. IT people understand that XP is nothing more than an up-graded windows "98" version of NT. Vista takes this up-grade a step further. I will stay put until the up-grade proves profitable. LGF is the exception rather than the rule. The sites my business visits are based on the "Win 98" standard.

re: #105 Sharmuta

From RacerX:

I just thought it was brilliant, and wanted to share it again.

Awe shucks. I'm certain I stole that from someone else here, but thanks!

re: #101 stevieray

Firefox used to be a sweet browser... lots of add-ons and plug-ins to customize it to your own tastes.

Now its a buggy mess. Sometimes "new and improved" ain't.

I used to love Firefox. I uninstalled it, and went to Safari for while, because Firefox was crashing constantly. Came back to Firefox, it was Ok for maybe a month, and now it's starting the crash thing again...sigh.

What does "crash" mean when talking about a browser?

OT Gov. Palin Gives a great comeback to a war protester. That woman is wonderful. Anyone who can think on her feet like that deserves our praise. She deserves to be VP!

re: #109 MandyManners

What does "crash" mean when talking about a browser?

Browser shuts down, closes itself.

re: #103 eon

Nicely put, wish there was somebody at the RNC you could send it to.

Q: What happened to the former Obamaton when he failed to pay his Exorcist?

A: He was repossessed.

re: #93 musicman

McCain's finally talking about Freddie, Fannie and Obama

Finally! Fight McCain Fight!

re: #103 eon

I hate to say it, but I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that the GOP's leadership is about convinced (mainly by polls) that The One has it locked up, and is already planning for 2012. The idea being that they expect four years of the Messiah to be as catastrophic for America as four years of Jimmy Carter were three decades ago. Which means that they will have a chance to beat him in '12 with a good, safe, reliable mainstream Republican who will do proper obeisance to the leadership and maintain the status quo.

The other thing the GOP leadership may be failing to consider is- what if Obama does more damage to this country, comparatively speaking, than Carter did? In many ways, The One is (IMHO) a much weaker man than Carter. He is a product of the hothouse political culture of Cook County, much as Bill Clinton was of the culture of Arkansas politics, notably Hot Springs, the state's answer to Mos Eisely Spaceport. Based on his background, I would expect The One to be rather belligerent toward domestic opponents on the grounds that if they cannot see his brilliance, they are too stupid to have an opinion and should therefore STFD and STFU, or else. Versus foreign opponents (of the United States) I would expect him to seek "deals" wherever he thinks he can get them- at any cost.

This really isn't the time for the GOP to try to play "wait for next time." There might not be one.

/just saying

cheers

eon

Technically speaking, McCain wasn't really the party favorite, was he? Wasn't he actually chosen by Independents voting in Republican primaries? I also think that all that 'reaching across' party lines has really annoyed certain people- especially since there are times that McCain seems to be more congenial to Democrats than his own party members.

re: #108 shibumi

I used to love Firefox. I uninstalled it, and went to Safari for while, because Firefox was crashing constantly. Came back to Firefox, it was Ok for maybe a month, and now it's starting the crash thing again...sigh.

Same here. I switched back to FF2.

re: #109 MandyManners

What does "crash" mean when talking about a browser?

Smoke coming out of your computer is usually considered a bad thing.

re: #101 stevieray

Firefox used to be a sweet browser... lots of add-ons and plug-ins to customize it to your own tastes.

Now its a buggy mess. Sometimes "new and improved" ain't.

Exactly! I had heard so much good about FF but when I tried it, it was a mess. I like to set things up my way but many programmers just don't think of allowing certain choices.

BTW: window is so kludgy because there are too many fingers in the pie and not well managed. Also the code is bloated because it's easier for the programmers to create. (i.e. inelegant decision trees with unneeded IF THENs or ELSE IFs etc.) but it's grown so big no one can figure out what to remove and what to leave in. Some of the bugs in current svc packs are caused by the removal or recoding of previous stuff with effects no one realized.

re: #111 Walter L. Newton

Browser shuts down, closes itself.

What does that mean? How do you know? What's on the screen?

I'm in love! Palin Leaves Crazed Protester Speechless! Crowd Goes Nuts!

re: #117 lifeofthemind

Smoke coming out of your computer is usually considered a bad thing.

That only happens when I shoot it.

re: #119 MandyManners

What does that mean? How do you know? What's on the screen?

It just blinks out. One second it's open, then it's just not there. At least with Firefox.

re: #119 MandyManners

What does that mean? How do you know? What's on the screen?

It's like the "X" got clicked without you. Usually you end up seeing your desktop.

The power of Gates compels you! The power of Gates compels you!

re: #120 musicman

I'm in love! Palin Leaves Crazed Protester Speechless! Crowd Goes Nuts!

Oh, my. She's cooler than a cucumber.

re: #124 calcajun

The power of Gates compels you! The power of Gates compels you!

LOL! Upding!

re: #122 shibumi

It just blinks out. One second it's open, then it's just not there. At least with Firefox.

re: #123 Sharmuta

It's like the "X" got clicked without you. Usually you end up seeing your desktop.

Oh, that's it! It's never happened to me.

re: #109 MandyManners

What does "crash" mean when talking about a browser?

re: #111 Walter L. Newton

Browser shuts down, closes itself.

Except with Mozilla Firefox 3. One of its odder quirks is a sort of "semi-crash" in which it locks up, appears to close, but is in fact still running "in the background". When you try to reopen it, you get this screen;

Firefox is still running. You must close it and then restart it.

The only way I've found to do that is a reboot of the computer. Any other method simply gets you the same message over again.

cheers

eon

re: #125 MandyManners

Oh, my. She's cooler than a cucumber.

She has been totally left off the leash and it's about time!

re: Browser crash, sometimes you get a message to the effect of "Windows has encountered a problem and needs to close. Do you want to create an error report?"

I love that "bless your heart, sir".

Is there any keystroke that can send a message from the editing window without returning to my mouse/trackball? I'm a touch typist and WordPerfect diehard, I'd much rather not have to reach for a pointing device again when I'm finished composing a message.

Charles,

Here is another wanker that spews his tripe in the name of accurate journalism.

I hope you don't mind, I used one of your lines.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

re: #130 nikis-knight

re: Browser crash, sometimes you get a message to the effect of "Windows has encountered a problem and needs to close. Do you want to create an error report?"

Yes. I've sent them many times. So far, Tech Support has been utterly useless.

cheers

eon

re: #120 musicman

I'm in love! Palin Leaves Crazed Protester Speechless! Crowd Goes Nuts!

No sound at work; can someone type the exchange if it wasn't lengthy?

re: #131 MandyManners

I love that "bless your heart, sir".

She's a classy "fluffy bunny".

If Obama's mainstream, most Americans are extremists.

Uh oh! New comments spinning wheel of death.

re: #128 eon

Windows OS, use Ctrl-Alt Delete to bring up the Manager. Got to the processes tab. Kill the Firefox process. You should be able to restart the browser. I've had that happen to me only once. I have not tried Safari. I'm happy with FF3.0.1

re: #128 eon

The only way I've found to do that is a reboot of the computer. Any other method simply gets you the same message over again.

cheers

eon

That's the problem I kept having that made me give up on FF3.

re: #135 nikis-knight

No sound at work; can someone type the exchange if it wasn't lengthy?

I've already closed it. And I have to limit my downloads because I have the cheap Wild Blue satellite package.

re: #130 nikis-knight

re: Browser crash, sometimes you get a message to the effect of "Windows has encountered a problem and needs to close. Do you want to create an error report?"

That's it. I was trying to remember the exact wording.

Yeah, I want to send an error report.
Sure if it would wind up in Bill Gates butt.

Refresh

re: #140 jcw46

see #139

re: #137 FrogMarch

If Obama's mainstream, most Americans are extremists.

Actually, The One thinks we are all stupid and need his divine guidance.

If he loses the election, I look for him to fall apart completely. He has never lost an election (granted, mainly due to how creatively he and his cronies can cheat), and failing at his semi-apotheosis would probably be more than his tender psyche could handle.

/ I say "semi-" because I suspect his vision of his True Apotheosis is being anointed Emperor of Earth for Eternity.

cheers

eon

re: #133 robin

Charles,

Here is another wanker that spews his tripe in the name of accurate journalism.

I hope you don't mind, I used one of your lines.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Haaretz makes the NY Times look like rock-ribbed Republicans.

re: #142 jcw46

That's it. I was trying to remember the exact wording.

Yeah, I want to send an error report.
Sure if it would wind up in Bill Gates butt.

Do not hold your breath on that consultant position for Window Vista II: Bride of Vista (or whatever the next OS will be called).

re: #135 nikis-knight

No sound at work; can someone type the exchange if it wasn't lengthy?

couldn't hear what protester said. Sarah told him that her son was in Iraq right now fighting for his right to make those protests.

re: #134 eon

Yes. I've sent them many times. So far, Tech Support has been utterly useless.

cheers

eon

From what I can gather, the crash reports for FF3 don't include all of the relevant info anymore -- half the data is left in the stack report [?], and it doesn't get sent to Mozilla. There is some multi-step process to get the second half of the data from inside windows and send it to the techies, but it is beyond my limited skillz.

OT

New Pat Condell video:

YouTube also reinstated his old one, which I didn't know until now.

re: #137 FrogMarch

If Obama's mainstream, most Americans are extremists.

Well I qualify as an extremist.

re: #120 musicman

I'm in love! Palin Leaves Crazed Protester Speechless! Crowd Goes Nuts!

Nice comeback and quick witted.

re: #120 musicman

Thats a solid response from the barracuda. Somebody ought to tell the community organizers and the wannabe-trendy-lefty-protestors and that they'd be the first ones in trouble if, god forbid, we were to lose that fight.

re: #139 Cap'n DOC

Windows OS, use Ctrl-Alt Delete to bring up the Manager. Got to the processes tab. Kill the Firefox process. You should be able to restart the browser. I've had that happen to me only once. I have not tried Safari. I'm happy with FF3.0.1

I tried that. No response. Of course, I'm using a Dell (Optiplex GX110).

Not the most cutting edge computer around, and the guys at the local computer place consider Dells in general to be somewhere below pond scum on the computer evolutionary scale.

/Not that it stops them from cashing the check when I bring it in for a checkup.

cheers

eon

re: #150 Basho

I'm totally nominating Pat Condell for anti-idiotarian of the year.

re: #152 wright1

Nice comeback and quick witted.

I bet that wasn't on the teleprompter! This lady can think on the spot.

I had a nasty spyware thingy recently that disabled the task manager via the registry.
Another one I saw once prevented me from googling it.
But generally googling an unknown process you see in the task manager is a great way to find out if it is a virus/spy or not.

I had been using IE since 1995 I guess when I got it with Win95. Hadn't even really considered anything else (comfort zone?) until listening to many folks in here convinced me to try Firefox.

What a difference! I would encourage people that haven't already to give it a shake and if you are having a lot of issues-then it may be some of your add-ons possibly.

re: #128 eon

The only way I've found to do that is a reboot of the computer. Any other method simply gets you the same message over again.

cheers

eon

I found if you give it a two second count before clicking again-no problem.

re: #1 Ward Cleaver

Why would anybody use IE6, unless their OS requires it, like Windows 2000?

Cause the system admin on your work computer has the OS locked down and won't allow software installs that require rewriting the registry.

Which is why I'm using Chrome, which seems OK except the avatars/images are all little footballs today. I.e., my Valley V or JammieWearin'Fool's New York Giants logo would be footballs. (Although he's not here to speak for himself.)

OT again, sorry:

The Jewel of Medina, a book about the Islamic prophet Muhammad that has been banned in the UK, has been released in the US today. If you feel like pissing off those jihadis in England, order a copy:

[Link: www.beaufortbooks.com...]

Oh, :P the logos are visible now. That was weird.

re: #153 zato

Thats a solid response from the barracuda. Somebody ought to tell the community organizers and the wannabe-trendy-lefty-protestors and that they'd be the first ones in trouble if, god forbid, we were to lose that fight.

Not much chance they'd believe it. One of the more irritating things about the more extreme "progressives", in my experience, is their belief that the jihadists, etc., are mad at all the rest of us but not them.

And that after the "Triumph", said jihadists will be too stupid to run the world, will realize it- and will appeal to the "enlightened elite" to run it for them.

I call it the Manson Syndrome, after Charlie-Boy's vision of the war he would set off that would leave him in charge of everything- see Helter Skelter by Vincent Bugliosi and Curt Gentry.

/The stupider an idea is, the more likely that some self-defined "intellectual" will believe that it is the absolute, unchallengeable truth

cheers

eon

re: #133 robin

Charles,

Here is another wanker that spews his tripe in the name of accurate journalism.

I hope you don't mind, I used one of your lines.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

This man Burston has won my admiration—his writing was incredibly brilliantly stupid. If he decides to get a doctorate in stupid, he has the start of a great thesis.

re: #160 buzzsawmonkey

Excellent Buzz!

re: #164 Zonie

Oh, :P the logos are visible now. That was weird.

When you aren't logged in, you don't see the user icons...

re: #159 buzzsawmonkey

For what it's worth:

My sister sent around an article to the family, from the Jerusalem Post, about a prObama video interviewing Israeli generals. Some of those interviewed claimed they had been quoted out of context.

Got a response from the prObama sib, who dismissed the video--and wondered how Sis and I could support the "continuation of such a disastrous Republican administration, with a candidate who now panders to everyone he previously rejected (who is he?) and no sophistication about the economy and a laughably qualified VP candidate."

My reply begins here, will be continued in the next post. It may help other people formulate discussions:

continued

That video was debunked today at Gateway Pundit

re: #168 Charles

When you aren't logged in, you don't see the user icons...

I was logged in, Charles, because I was posting!

LOL!

Refresh did solve the problem though. Chrome's cache must have been stale.

re: #160 buzzsawmonkey

My best bud, the E-5, and I were talking about the support for The One in jihadi circles this morning. Our conclusion was as follows;

1. About half the jihadis, notably Hamas, believe that he is in fact a Muslim, and thus will support them when in office.

2. The other half, notably Hesbollah, belive he's weak, vain, and stupid, and will be easily intimidated into letting them run wild across the MidEast, 86' Israel, and eventually force the West into "proper" obeisance to Allah. (They aren't afraid of anyone else in the West, since they've pretty much invaded Europe and are working on subjugating Britain.)

We concluded that (2) is the most likely correct analysis, as neither one of us believes the "he's really a Muslim" story. We both just think he's a ward heeler who's gotten in over his head, and is too egotistical to admit it, even to himself.

cheers

eon

re: #110 Bobblehead

OT Gov. Palin Gives a great comeback to a war protester. That woman is wonderful. Anyone who can think on her feet like that deserves our praise. She deserves to be VP!

In one of the comments, someone who calls herself "Paco" provided this link to an article titled Remembering a Sixties Terrorist from FrontPage Magazine.
It paints Bill Ayers as low-class. Really low-class.
It also has a pretty blunt paragraph on what was (is?) necessary to avoid being called "racist".

IE6 is still about 40% of the browsers in use, mostly at companies that don't want to update. So, if you want the lunchtime crowd, you have to accommodate IE6 in your website design.

My old version of Firefox also seems to be running much better. It was crashing every time I visited LGF. LGF also just downloaded a lot faster.

Thanks!

Well crap - it just crashed when I left LGF, like it has been since I did the stupid Firefox "upgrade".

I have installed Win XP on a number of PC's that I have built for my family's use. Each time I only use IE6 to download firefox.

I had to access the site through Firefox since I cannot login in IE6.

I get "Authentication Error".

So I think there are still some bugs.

re: #177 GreenBear

I had to access the site through Firefox since I cannot login in IE6.

I get "Authentication Error".

So I think there are still some bugs.

Just logged in with IE6 - I think you may have experienced operator error. The error log says 'incorrect password...'