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Pat Condell Won't Back Down

Video | Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 4:09:17 pm PDT

Pat Condell has a few words for the people who got YouTube to ban his last video, and a bit of a clarification on his views about the religious apartheid kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

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1 Shug  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:12:16pm

Religion of Pat

2 Wendya  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:12:20pm

That's going to leave a mark.

3 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:13:20pm

Pat for anti-Idiotarian of the Year!

4 BlueCanuck  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:14:14pm

Man he sounded angrier than normal in this one. Still kept hammering away at the facts though. As sharmuta said on the last thread: "Pat for anti-idiotarian of the year".

5 Globular Cluster  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:14:45pm

God Bless 'em. Firebreathing Asskicker extraordinaire.

6 FrogMarch  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:15:26pm

Pat Condell is my boyfriend.


poopy oatmeal notwithstanding.

7 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:15:35pm

re: #4 BlueCanuck

Though Penn & Teller have made a strong case for themselves also. I'm still in favor of Pat though, because he's one guy with a video camera making a big difference.

8 summergurl  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:17:07pm

OT - Does anyone have a link to Palin addressing that heckler in Florida today? They showed it on FOX but I can't find it there.

9 stevieray  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:17:37pm

Hee hee hee *snort* bwahahaha!

10 BlueCanuck  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:18:03pm

re: #8 summergurl

Gateway Pundit's blog has it. Don't have a link handy unfortunately.

11 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:18:26pm

re: #7 Sharmuta
I've said it before... I fear for his safety!
Oh yeh! Just remembered ...No guns in Britian!
Never mind! /////

12 uscmsne  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:18:46pm

Flag it!

/Just kidding
//Wait, no...

13 musicman  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:18:49pm
14 BlueCanuck  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:19:04pm

re: #10 BlueCanuck

Gateway Pundit's blog has it. Don't have a link handy unfortunately.

Note to self: Check the damned tool bars. :)

Here's the link.

15 arethusa  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:19:07pm

re: #8 summergurl

OT - Does anyone have a link to Palin addressing that heckler in Florida today? They showed it on FOX but I can't find it there.

The link.

Just posted in the main links section, too.

16 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:19:13pm

It's gone already?

Damn. I never saw it....

17 vapig  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:19:17pm

My favorite Brit!

18 megulator  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:19:25pm

Amen Patty! Keep speaking the truth, brother!

19 loppyd  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:20:46pm

For you, Pat....

Ironically, this is the song that Tom Petty sang during the 9/11 telethon.

Where did that spirit go?

Off to eat suppah.

BBL

20 Basho  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:20:51pm

In the previous thread, I said The Jewel of Medina was banned in the UK, but I got my facts wrong. The publisher in London got firebombed so it was put on permanent hold.

[Link: www.beaufortbooks.com...]

It has been released in the US today, so order a copy if you want to piss off those Islamo-fascists in England. This is the same book that you may have heard Random House didn't want to publish.

21 bosforus  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:21:44pm

The Pat is back!

22 capitalist piglet  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:21:59pm

From an article about Obama's pals, a commenter calls attention to a children's book about Barack Obama here.

Just when you thought it couldn't get creepier. (Hope I'm not too terribly far off topic...just sitting here with my jaw on the floor.)

23 loppyd  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:22:40pm

re: #15 arethusa

The link.

Just posted in the main links section, too.

In the words of the late, great Chris Farley.....

THAT WAS AWESOME!

Really gone now

24 summergurl  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:23:08pm

Thanks everyone!

25 AMER1CAN  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:23:24pm

OT: Newsweek Article. (sorry if posted earlier...)
Obama and the Echoes of Lincoln

26 capitalist piglet  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:23:58pm

re: #13 musicman

Here it is...


I love her, I love her, I love her. Not in a girl crush way, but like I wanna be her when I grow up (even though I'm about her age already).

27 BrianA  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:24:20pm
"A vote for Labor Democrats is a vote for Islam."

Fixed that.

28 FrogMarch  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:24:29pm

re: #19 loppyd

For you, Pat....

Ironically, this is the song that Tom Petty sang during the 9/11 telethon.

Where did that spirit go?

Off to eat suppah.

BBL

There's the Johnny Cash version - toooo

29 kingkenrod  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:25:17pm

"A vote for Labour is a vote for Islam".

That's a powerful idea, it should be spread far and wide and repeated often.

30 Basho  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:25:37pm

re: #20 Basho

Wikipedia says that book was withdrawn from Serbia after some Muslims complained there, but the book then became heavily pirated, so the publishers brought it back. Hooray!

31 jcbunga  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:27:29pm

I've only recently heard this guy speak, but I have to say he speaks with the wonderful clarity, diction, wit and accent that made Great Britain such a pleasure for us Colonials to first rebel against and then defend.

WE need guys like this here. What a shame it's come to this.

Any Brits need a safe haven, come on over. I promise not to toss any tea in the harbor.

32 lifeofthemind  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:28:16pm

Good job here, could someone explain why it would be a bad thing for the US to sieze the oil fields and spend 10% of the free market income the oil generates on giving the locals (who happen to be oppressed Shia) a real education that stresses tolerance.

33 BlueCanuck  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:28:32pm

re: #31 jcbunga

Any Brits need a safe haven, come on over. I promise not to toss any tea in the harbor.

Well, unless you are looking to make a real large cuppa. . . . . .

34 Basho  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:29:56pm

re: #4 BlueCanuck

Man he sounded angrier than normal in this one.

He was definitely more confrontational than usual. Much more blunt. After YouTube caved to pressure from his fans to bring back his previous video, he must have felt emboldened.

35 musicman  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:30:43pm

re: #22 capitalist piglet

From an article about Obama's pals, a commenter calls attention to a children's book about Barack Obama here.

Just when you thought it couldn't get creepier. (Hope I'm not too terribly far off topic...just sitting here with my jaw on the floor.)

This picture is very much like this picture. Extremely creepy.

36 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:30:47pm

re: #31 jcbunga

Actually- I hope that more Brits decide to stay and fight for their own country instead of retreating and leaving it to the islamists. Pat is doing his part to rally his countrymen, and I sure hope more Westerners from all across Europe and here in America too stand up and fight the good fight like Pat's doing.

37 Gozer the Carpathian  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:31:37pm

WTG Pat! Woo hoo! Kick those Brits in their "fundament." So British. :)

38 lifeofthemind  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:31:55pm

Has anybody seen this? What is the statute of limitations on aiding coercing to enable a rape? Can this at least get Ayers kicked out of the State University School of Education?

39 FlakMusic  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:32:19pm

I need to use the word fundament more often.

Example: Abu Hamsa became infamous putting the fundament into fundamentalist.

40 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:33:32pm

Love it!

I have an old friend who is both an athiest and an uber-Lefty, multi-culturalist, citizen of the world, and every time Pat Condell puts out a new video I email it to him.

Looks like he can expect another one tonight.

41 alien_mind  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:33:47pm

this guy is on fire. I love how he pauses when he refers to Islams "scholars".

42 capitalist piglet  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:35:20pm

re: #35 musicman

Yeah...and the people doing this stuff don't even see how glassy-eyed and weird they look to the rest of us. It's like they're carriers of a virus, and we don't have it.

Creeeeeeeepy.

43 sbaxter  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:36:32pm

You go, Pat!

44 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:36:48pm

re: #35 musicman

This picture is very much like this picture. Extremely creepy.

It creeps me out, but I'm prejudiced. One need ask an agnostic or atheist if it creeps them out.

45 martinleaf  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:37:12pm

Pat really turned me off when he lectured Jews to give Jerusalem to the Arabs and Muslims. Anyone have the link of that video?


I hope he has learned since then.

46 FrogMarch  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:37:48pm

Speaking of not voting Labor - or Democrat - or Socialist (all the same)

Could you shake hands with William Ayers?

Keep in mind, from where I sit, the only difference between Ayers and Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudolph is that the latter two are more skilled at bomb-building, and Ayers got off on prosecutorial misconduct. Their methods and capacity for self-justification are the same.

Could you shake hands with McVeigh or Rudolph? (Yes, I know McVeigh was executed years ago.) If they were released from prison, could you go work for them? Would you want to count them as allies? Go to their house as they threw a party for you? Would you accept a donation from them?

The Inevitable 'This Isn't the Bill Ayers I Thought I Knew' Excuse

47 Quilly Mammoth  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:38:58pm

Anyone have links to the petition he's talking about?

48 arethusa  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:39:08pm

re: #38 lifeofthemind

Has anybody seen this? What is the statute of limitations on aiding coercing to enable a rape? Can this at least get Ayers kicked out of the State University School of Education?

The statute of limitations on rape in Michigan is 10 years. The story is vile and disgusting if it's true, but since the School of Education already hired Ayers, an admitted terrorist, I somehow don't think they'd be bothered by this.

49 ArmyWife  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:40:22pm

re: #38 lifeofthemind

I am speechless and I literally have chills.

50 lifeofthemind  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:40:45pm

re: #48 arethusa

The statute of limitations on rape in Michigan is 10 years. The story is vile and disgusting if it's true, but since the School of Education already hired Ayers, an admitted terrorist, I somehow don't think they'd be bothered by this.


Can we get him listed as a registered sex offender? That would keep him out of schools.

51 David IV of Georgia  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:41:07pm

Pat's right on target.

re: #22 capitalist piglet

From an article about Obama's pals, a commenter calls attention to a children's book about Barack Obama here.

Just when you thought it couldn't get creepier. (Hope I'm not too terribly far off topic...just sitting here with my jaw on the floor.)

From the article about the children's book Barak by Jonah Winter:

Kate McMillan of Small Dead Animals points me to an interview with the author.

Where I grew up in Texas, my classmates used racial epithets on a regular basis. In my neighborhood, people would not sell their houses to African Americans.

Where I grew up in East Texas, we played with black kids. When I was old enough to realize that a few kids wouldn't play with the African-American children because their skin was a different color, I quit hanging around those few kids.

52 FlakMusic  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:41:31pm

re: #35 musicman

This picture is very much like this picture. Extremely creepy.

Me too...and it will continue to do so until Obama can pull off some miracles...like a loaves and fishes thing to make Social Security solvent.

Or, when he tells Chuck Graham to stand up...CHUCK DOES!

Until then he's just another pretender.

53 Alouette  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:41:31pm

re: #45 martinleaf

Pat really turned me off when he lectured Jews to give Jerusalem to the Arabs and Muslims. Anyone have the link of that video?

I hope he has learned since then.

Yeah, that was muy stupido.

54 Limitbreak22  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:42:11pm

I love you Pat. Keep it going strong!

55 arethusa  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:42:22pm

re: #50 lifeofthemind

Can we get him listed as a registered sex offender? That would keep him out of schools.

I'm sure a registered sex offender has to have been convicted first.

I didn't think Ayers could sink any lower in my opinion, but he has with that story.

56 Alouette  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:42:45pm

re: #22 capitalist piglet

From an article about Obama's pals, a commenter calls attention to a children's book about Barack Obama here.

Just when you thought it couldn't get creepier. (Hope I'm not too terribly far off topic...just sitting here with my jaw on the floor.)

What asre they going to do with all those books when Obi-bam Kenya-bi loses the election?

57 itellu3times  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:42:46pm

Bank of America just announced dividend cut in half, earnings half of predicted. Not totally unforeseen, this is their first report including Countrywide, but will weigh on the market tomorrow. Stock down three bucks (10%) aftermarket.

/hey charles the typing is better now in IE6, thanx.

58 Archimedes  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:42:56pm

re: #46 FrogMarch

Speaking of not voting Labor - or Democrat - or Socialist (all the same)

The Inevitable 'This Isn't the Bill Ayers I Thought I Knew' Excuse

Having heard Bill Ayers talk, thanks to some audio links provided on LGF a month or so back, I can tell you I'd never associate with him. The guy is a conspiracy theorist wacko. He has some very bizarre views about America, no better than someone who believes in ufos.

Like this guy:

only he's a comedian, and is funny. Ayers is mean.

59 FlakMusic  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:42:58pm

re: #53 Alouette

Yeah, that was muy stupido.

Pat goes off the rails quickly when he gets off the topic of Islam.

60 ArmyWife  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:44:47pm

re: #50 lifeofthemind

If he wasn't convicted, he isn't one and doesn't get registered. I understand your sentiment, believe me I do, but I would guess deep down you wouldn't want people to end up on that list because someone of the street nominated them to it.

61 itellu3times  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:45:01pm

Kinky, when I move cursor over the "front page" or other link in the box above the entry frame, the entry frame (containing the username and text entry box) moves down a quarter inch. Then when I move the cursor back over the entry frame, it moves back. Almost a throb-on-command.

62 nyc redneck  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:45:10pm

re: #38 lifeofthemind

Has anybody seen this? What is the statute of limitations on aiding coercing to enable a rape? Can this at least get Ayers kicked out of the State University School of Education?

ayers is a monster, in all ways.
a psychopath.

63 brickthruplateglasswindow  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:45:51pm

Is it only me, or does a "kick in the crotch" sounds almost inviting when expressed with a British accent?

64 capitalist piglet  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:45:54pm

re: #38 lifeofthemind

Has anybody seen this? What is the statute of limitations on aiding coercing to enable a rape? Can this at least get Ayers kicked out of the State University School of Education?

This stuff just never seems to end. There's gonna be more, and more, and more. Scary.

65 LudwigVanQuixote  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:46:15pm

I love this guy!

66 eon  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:46:29pm

re: #29 kingkenrod

"A vote for Labour is a vote for Islam".

That's a powerful idea, it should be spread far and wide and repeated often.

When I was in high school, during the Neil Kinnock days (pre-Thatcher), it was pretty much Labour's attitude that the USSR and PRC were destined to rule the world, and therefore they intended that Britain be on the winning side, no matter what the British people's opinion on the subject might be. Because, of course, Labour's leaders were "enlightened intellectuals" like Michael R.D. Foot, and the average Briton was a "stupid peasant".

Today, it's the same attitude at work, except that they're trying to get pats on the head from Islamic clerics instead of whoever's in charge in the Kremlin at any given moment.

Labour over there, like the Dems over here, seem to be engaged in an eternal search for a genuinely bloody-minded, utterly maniacal dictator or group of same to swear fealty to.

Somehow, I doubt that Queen Victoria or King Arthur would be amused.

cheers

eon

67 ArmyWife  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:46:51pm

re: #56 Alouette

We can hope they buy an island and all move there where Barry can be King complete with BK crown and they can worship him as they wish.

68 gop_patriot  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:47:01pm

From Iowahawk's YouTube page, just added today...

Just in time for Halloween! Yet another Obama kid remix

Pretty funny, that is, if you can handle listening to that god-awful "music" that those kids are singing. Really, and this is coming from someone who attended a "progressive" school in the 70s, what total crap.

69 Shug  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:47:26pm

so according to the saudi clerica, the perfect islamic woman is the cyclops.

70 Shug  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:47:41pm

clerica = clerics.

bollocks

71 Alouette  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:48:13pm

re: #38 lifeofthemind

Has anybody seen this? What is the statute of limitations on aiding coercing to enable a rape? Can this at least get Ayers kicked out of the State University School of Education?

This lady sounds like she has some scoops of tehina missing from her falafel.

72 capitalist piglet  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:48:19pm

re: #56 Alouette

What asre they going to do with all those books when Obi-bam Kenya-bi loses the election?

Bargain bin? I pray you're right about him losing.

73 twincitiesgirl  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:48:58pm

Fantastic--this guy speaks for millions of people all around the world. Now, what to do-- sign the petition or go shopping for a one eye(d) burqa?

/decisions, decisions

74 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:50:30pm

re: #3 Sharmuta

Pat for anti-Idiotarian of the Year!

I concur!

75 capitalist piglet  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:51:39pm

re: #71 Alouette

I think her article would have been more effective had she not used a couple of words in particular to describe her experience. On the other hand, she can say whatever she wants about it - at least she's got the guts to go public.

As I was reading it, I was thinking how it really wasn't hard to believe, if you remember the sixties at all (and I was a child, but I do).

76 nyc redneck  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:51:39pm

obama hates the american flag too.
he was dragged kicking and screaming to that little lapel pin.
he wouldn't be wearing "it" now, unless he had to.

77 legalpad  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:51:44pm

re: #44 unrealizedviewpoint

It creeps me out, but I'm prejudiced. One need ask an agnostic or atheist if it creeps them out.

Yes it does creep me out -
And maybe these

[Link: www.bytwerk.com...]

[Link: www.clas.ufl.edu...]


[Link: www.cwporter.com...]

78 itellu3times  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:52:06pm

re: #38 lifeofthemind

Has anybody seen this? What is the statute of limitations on aiding coercing to enable a rape? Can this at least get Ayers kicked out of the State University School of Education?

Um, try to prove it in a court of law.

It sounds very Patty Hearst, very sixties. I suppose I believe it, as I believe so many stories about Bill Clinton, that could never be proved in a court of law. I wonder if Ayers would freely admit it. I wonder if Obama would denounce it. This is not always a very pretty world.

79 FrogMarch  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:52:43pm

re: #58 Archimedes

Having heard Bill Ayers talk, thanks to some audio links provided on LGF a month or so back, I can tell you I'd never associate with him. The guy is a conspiracy theorist wacko. He has some very bizarre views about America, no better than someone who believes in ufos.

Like this guy:
[Link: www.youtube.com...]

only he's a comedian, and is funny. Ayers is mean.

I feel like a vote for the modern democrat party - in it's current sad state - is a vote for Alex Jones and paranoid schizophrenia.

80 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:52:53pm
81 Basho  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:52:53pm

re: #47 Quilly Mammoth

Anyone have links to the petition he's talking about?

It's for UK citizens only. It's on the video description at the youtube site.

82 Alouette  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:53:13pm

re: #75 capitalist piglet

As I was reading it, I was thinking how it really wasn't hard to believe, if you remember the sixties at all (and I was a child, but I do).

If you remember the sixties, you weren't there. :)

This story creeped me out because this person has been in my neighborhood.

83 Steve  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:54:29pm

The women of Saudi Arabia are the ones who raise the kids and instill this pathetic train of thought about women. Or am I missing something here.

I agree with what Pat says but it is just a thought.

84 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:54:39pm

re: #68 gop_patriot

From Iowahawk's YouTube page, just added today...


Pretty funny, that is, if you can handle listening to that god-awful "music" that those kids are singing. Really, and this is coming from someone who attended a "progressive" school in the 70s, what total crap.

I prefered the fat ummm obese ummm chubby ummm, healthy challenged zombies from yesterday on here

85 ArmyWife  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:54:47pm

re: #75 capitalist piglet

I agree - there were some better choices of words to use, and I wonder if her choice is because she still sees herself, in part, as participatory in what happened. I hope I don't sound like I am over analyzing, but I went through something simillar in nature and its amazing what the mind will do to remove self inflicted stigma.

86 jaunte  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:54:58pm

re: #80 buzzsawmonkey

I guess they missed this part:
"someone who tries to kill innocent people for political purposes"
It's the trying to kill, Huffpo, not the succeeding, that makes a terrorist.

87 FrogMarch  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:54:58pm

re: #38 lifeofthemind

Has anybody seen this? What is the statute of limitations on aiding coercing to enable a rape? Can this at least get Ayers kicked out of the State University School of Education?

Ayres is a holy lefty. I think it will get him a promotion.

88 debutaunt  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:55:31pm

re: #39 FlakMusic

I need to use the word fundament more often.

Example: Abu Hamsa became infamous putting the fundament into fundamentalist.

No - you should really take out the fun.

89 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:55:38pm
90 David IV of Georgia  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:55:53pm

re: #28 FrogMarch

There's the Johnny Cash version - toooo

Johnny Cash singing with a (somewhat toned down) punk band: Man in Black by One Bad Pig. Takes a few seconds to start.

91 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:55:56pm

re: #56 Alouette

What asre they going to do with all those books when Obi-bam Kenya-bi loses the election?

I wonder what will be more disappointing to Gwen, her book flopping, the loss of potentially millions, or the One losing?

92 ArmyWife  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:55:56pm

re: #80 buzzsawmonkey
Can you reply and point out Police offers were also killed?

93 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:56:03pm

re: #57 itellu3times

Bank of America just announced dividend cut in half, earnings half of predicted. Not totally unforeseen, this is their first report including Countrywide, but will weigh on the market tomorrow. Stock down three bucks (10%) aftermarket.

/hey charles the typing is better now in IE6, thanx.


Well they did agree to a 300 billion dollar settlement in the lawsuits filed ag ainst Country Wide, and BofA agreed to take on the debt....they had to get the money from somewhere. Not that the dividend cut doesn't suck....

94 markie  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:56:10pm

Here's to free speech and Pat's exercising of it. Maybe someday the government in England, as well as Canada and the US, will throw off the chains of Political Correctness and get back to our regular programs.

95 Archimedes  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:56:25pm

re: #38 lifeofthemind

Has anybody seen this? What is the statute of limitations on aiding coercing to enable a rape? Can this at least get Ayers kicked out of the State University School of Education?

Wow, the guy is evil. That was a January 2006 article, too.

96 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:56:42pm
97 alien_mind  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:57:09pm

boy, i wish i could have attended this conference about intellectuals, especially the Saturday program, say from 2:15 to 3:45. two of Chicago's brightest intellectuals took the stage.
//

98 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:57:25pm

re: #80 buzzsawmonkey

This is in a spinoff link, but deserves to be seen on the main threads: a Huffpo "refutation of 30 lies about Obama and Ayers."

The piece includes this blatant howler, among many others:

How about Bill's girlfriend Diana Oughton, and two others, who were working on an antipersonnel bomb of Bill's own design?

they got us on a technicality. Diana died at her own hands (albeit making a bomb TOO kill innocents) So technically, its correct!
((geeezz , I could write for the Obama campaing and/or the NYT! Oh ,, wait ,, thats one and the same

99 ArmyWife  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:57:34pm

re: #96 buzzsawmonkey

I think I am fresh out of antibacterial soap. Anyone else?

100 nyc redneck  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:58:03pm

re: #85 ArmyWife

I agree - there were some better choices of words to use, and I wonder if her choice is because she still sees herself, in part, as participatory in what happened. I hope I don't sound like I am over analyzing, but I went through something simillar in nature and its amazing what the mind will do to remove self inflicted stigma.

i thought her story was very believable.
why would a terrorist bomber like ayers, who sought to kill, stop short of rape.

101 arethusa  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:58:16pm

re: #80 buzzsawmonkey

This is in a spinoff link, but deserves to be seen on the main threads: a Huffpo "refutation of 30 lies about Obama and Ayers."

The piece includes this blatant howler, among many others:


How about Bill's girlfriend Diana Oughton, and two others, who were working on an antipersonnel bomb of Bill's own design?

How about the phrase "tries to"? Seems like he tried to me.

102 Jim D  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:58:55pm

re: #83 Steve

what happens to a woman when her husband learns what she's been telling the kids?

103 LoFlyer  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:59:19pm

Arr, Pat! You be 'me hero! Evening guys, looking for a new job, and now's a bad time. Talked with 'me brother, he works for Emory University, and their network environment is similar to ours, except they have a lot more money. Shipping my resume to him tomorrow. And yes, I am still employed but have am tired of being the lowest paid network engineer in the metro Atlanta area and treated like crap.....

104 Thanos  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:59:33pm

re: #13 musicman

Here it is...

That's getting some heavy play right now, it spins when you try to access it

105 David IV of Georgia  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:59:37pm

re: #99 ArmyWife

I think I am fresh out of antibacterial soap. Anyone else?

I prefer homemade lye soap for such occasions—it'll remove tar, skin, whatever, if made right.

106 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:59:43pm
107 Racer X  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 4:59:50pm

re: #80 buzzsawmonkey

This is in a spinoff link, but deserves to be seen on the main threads: a Huffpo "refutation of 30 lies about Obama and Ayers."

The piece includes this blatant howler, among many others:


How about Bill's girlfriend Diana Oughton, and two others, who were working on an antipersonnel bomb of Bill's own design?

Let me get this straight - the left is actually defending Bill Ayers?

108 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:00:26pm
109 ArmyWife  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:00:34pm

re: #107 Racer X

You aren't really surprised, are you?

110 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:01:19pm

re: #83 Steve

The women of Saudi Arabia are the ones who raise the kids and instill this pathetic train of thought about women. Or am I missing something here.

I agree with what Pat says but it is just a thought.

First of all- fathers and mosques have a lot to do with making sure young men and boys are taught this.

Second- this is taught to girls and young women through family conditioning. Children see their mothers being beaten for daring to rebel, and what do you think is being learned by the kids watching this? Both the boys and the girls?

111 Racer X  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:01:55pm

re: #109 ArmyWife

You aren't really surprised, are you?

I guess not - ABC called him a "respected college professor" last night on the news.

112 Steve  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:02:37pm

re: #102 Jim D


There in lies the problem. What a backwards a**hat religion/country

113 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:02:40pm

re: #57 itellu3times

Bank of America just announced dividend cut in half, earnings half of predicted. Not totally unforeseen, this is their first report including Countrywide, but will weigh on the market tomorrow. Stock down three bucks (10%) aftermarket.

/hey charles the typing is better now in IE6, thanx.

May be related to the settlement they reached on the Countrywide mortgages, where the deadbeat punks get rate reductions and other concessions, and those that managed to keep up to date without a single late payment, like me, get nothing.

/BofA I am waiting to hear from you!

114 nonic  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:02:46pm

#47 Mammoth

Pat Condell's own site, "Godless Comedy"
[Link: www.patcondell.net...]

People..................

You gotta understand Condell's against ALL organized religion. He dislikes Judaism as much as Christianity as much as islam, or Buddhism or Hinduism, or anything else.

He DOES recognize that it's only islam trying to take over the world. But hang around him long enough, and unless you're an atheist like he is, he'll offend you at some point.

Now, if you're sensitive about that, then you go ahead and condemn him regardless of the fact that he's one of the few voices against islam's aggression right now.

On the other hand, if you can cope with the idea that some people are not going to fit with ALL your beliefs at the same time, and yet they can still be "on your side" in some important way, then cheer him and publicize him.

115 jwb7605  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:02:55pm

re: #107 Racer X

Let me get this straight - the left is actually defending Bill Ayers?

The left is doing to the sixties what Dinnerjacket (and others) have done to the Holocaust. Even the drug culture part is being turned into a poetic pleasantry.

116 capitalist piglet  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:02:59pm

re: #107 Racer X

Let me get this straight - the left is actually defending Bill Ayers?

Yes. It's come to this.

117 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:03:10pm

re: #68 gop_patriot

From Iowahawk's YouTube page, just added today...


Pretty funny, that is, if you can handle listening to that god-awful "music" that those kids are singing. Really, and this is coming from someone who attended a "progressive" school in the 70s, what total crap.


That poor kid at the beginning, doing the solo, makes me want to stick pointy objects into my ears. She has a voice only a mother could love.

It reminds me of that scene from Music Man where the "band" plays so that Robert Prestons charater isn't hauled off to the pokey.

118 musicman  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:03:23pm

re: #104 Thanos

That's getting some heavy play right now, it spins when you try to access it

That's the power of the internet!

119 arethusa  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:03:24pm

re: #111 Racer X

I guess not - ABC called him a "respected college professor" last night on the news.

Respected by whom? Timothy McVeigh? Osama bin Laden? The Huffington Post?

120 rightymouse  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:03:46pm

re: #107 Racer X

Let me get this straight - the left is actually defending Bill Ayers?

Well..yeah..they have to. Otherwise Ayers' past and subsequent friendship with Obama will stick to the 'O' like glue. They have two choices - deny the friendship or minimize what Ayers did. They're doing both right now.

121 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:04:36pm

re: #107 Racer X

Let me get this straight - the left is actually defending Bill Ayers?

And this shocks you because?

122 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:05:04pm
123 lifeofthemind  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:05:19pm

re: #60 ArmyWife

If he wasn't convicted, he isn't one and doesn't get registered. I understand your sentiment, believe me I do, but I would guess deep down you wouldn't want people to end up on that list because someone of the street nominated them to it.

Not saying there shouldn't be a process but the need to punish through a criminal process is not the same as the need to protect through a civil action. Investigate and report. Either he sues her or he is branded.

124 musicman  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:05:32pm

re: #119 arethusa

Respected by whom? Timothy McVeigh? Osama bin Laden? The Huffington Post?

BARACK HUSSIEN OBAMA that's whom!

125 Wishing  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:05:43pm

re: #68 gop_patriot

From Iowahawk's YouTube page, just added today...

Pretty funny, that is, if you can handle listening to that god-awful "music" that those kids are singing. Really, and this is coming from someone who attended a "progressive" school in the 70s, what total crap.

When the kid rounded the corner on the little scooter, and those two gals were standing there, I expected to hear, You have entered a Dead Zone

126 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:05:46pm

re: #120 rightymouse

Well..yeah..they have to. Otherwise Ayers' past and subsequent friendship with Obama will stick to the 'O' like glue. They have two choices - deny the friendship or minimize what Ayers did. They're doing both right now.


Yep...some of these folks should join Circque du Soliel,,,,they have an amazing ability to twist themselves in a manner that boggles.

127 arethusa  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:05:58pm

re: #115 jwb7605

The left is doing to the sixties what Dinnerjacket (and others) have done to the Holocaust. Even the drug culture part is being turned into a poetic pleasantry.

As an academic, I have to say, the sixties have completely corrupted a great many good minds among my older colleagues - whether it was drugs, or Vietnam, or the mistaken idea that they were creating Utopia, these people are just not sane on the subject.

128 stuiec  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:06:26pm

re: #80 buzzsawmonkey

This is in a spinoff link, but deserves to be seen on the main threads: a Huffpo "refutation of 30 lies about Obama and Ayers."

How about this: the founder of the Weatherman organization, one of its philosophical and practical leaders through the Weather Underground days, and the designer of its bombs is a full conspirator in all of its crimes and equally guilty with those whose hands planted the bomb in S.F. that killed a cop, set off the work accident that killed three of the organization's members, and shot the cops and guard in the Brink's armored car robbery.

Because the Weather Underground killed people, and tried to kill many more, William Ayers killed people, and tried to kill many more. There is no way to divorce him from the actions he inspired, enabled and spurred on.

129 calcajun  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:06:46pm

The spirit of Winston Churchill DOES still exist on the sceptered aisle ...er,...isle--yeah isle.

130 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:06:47pm

re: #127 arethusa

As an academic, I have to say, the sixties have completely corrupted a great many good minds among my older colleagues - whether it was drugs, or Vietnam, or the mistaken idea that they were creating Utopia, these people are just not sane on the subject.


Can't stand most hippies..I have a few exceptions...all of them conservative now.

131 Thanos  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:07:12pm
132 LoFlyer  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:07:21pm

re: #110 Sharmuta

First of all- fathers and mosques have a lot to do with making sure young men and boys are taught this.

Second- this is taught to girls and young women through family conditioning. Children see their mothers being beaten for daring to rebel, and what do you think is being learned by the kids watching this? Both the boys and the girls?

Arr mate, the Saud's made a terrible pact with Wahabi religion to gain control of the country, in return for their support the Saud's granted the Wahabi religious carte blanche as the official religion of the state. The Saud family is apparently moderate Islamists but the country is ruled by a fanatical religion.

133 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:08:02pm

re: #128 stuiec

How about this: the founder of the Weatherman organization, one of its philosophical and practical leaders through the Weather Underground days, and the designer of its bombs is a full conspirator in all of its crimes and equally guilty with those whose hands planted the bomb in S.F. that killed a cop, set off the work accident that killed three of the organization's members, and shot the cops and guard in the Brink's armored car robbery.

Because the Weather Underground killed people, and tried to kill many more, William Ayers killed people, and tried to kill many more. There is no way to divorce him from the actions he inspired, enabled and spurred on.


In spite of the FBI fucking up the wire tap thing allowing this POS to get off on a technicality.

134 rightymouse  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:08:02pm

re: #122 buzzsawmonkey

It's called "the two misstatements solution." Just as mendacious as the "two-state solution" in the Middle East, but applied domestically.


Never quite looked at it that way regarding the ME, but I'll munch on it a while.

135 Ojoe  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:08:12pm

Wish G.W.Bush would say as much as Pat Condell says.

136 eon  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:08:22pm

re: #107 Racer X

Let me get this straight - the left is actually defending Bill Ayers?

Yes, and good little wannabee Lenins Stalins that they are, I suspect that they have no idea what a colossal mistake they are making.

However trendy it may be on the left to take up the cause of homicidal loonies with a "progressive" cause, be it Bill Ayers or Mumia Abu-Jemal, it doesn't play well in Flyover Country. Defending Ayers at this juncture may be the only move they have, though, as no one is buying The One's "disavowal" of him. He's already thrown too many of his other mentors under the bus, and people are noticing how bumpy the ride is.

There really is no good move they can make here. Except, of course, to wish that The One would have had better sense than to hook up with Bill the Bomber to begin with.

Although I'm sure that many of his defenders agree with him when he says he didn't set off enough bombs. After all, their ideal symbol, the old hammer and sickle, isn't flying over the White House.

/but they're working on that, too, I'm sure

cheers

eon

137 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:08:38pm

re: #132 LoFlyer

The Sauds are flaming hypocrites.

138 David IV of Georgia  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:09:00pm

re: #110 Sharmuta

First of all- fathers and mosques have a lot to do with making sure young men and boys are taught this.

Second- this is taught to girls and young women through family conditioning. Children see their mothers being beaten for daring to rebel, and what do you think is being learned by the kids watching this? Both the boys and the girls?

Imagine you are a strong person who is kidnapped and abused for a long period of time. Would you be able to avoid falling into Stockholm Syndrome and begin to excuse the behavior of your captors and begin to rationalize and defend their excesses? Now imagine that you have been placed in such a situation from birth—the boys are taught to beat, hurt and even kill without mercy for their god demands it and the girls are taught to submit and endure and take the abuse as a sign of love. I think the entire region of the Middle East suffers from Stockholm Syndrome.

139 yochanan  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:09:28pm

re: #78 itellu3times

Um, try to prove it in a court of law.

It sounds very Patty Hearst, very sixties. I suppose I believe it, as I believe so many stories about Bill Clinton, that could never be proved in a court of law. I wonder if Ayers would freely admit it. I wonder if Obama would denounce it. This is not always a very pretty world.

niave jewish girlie, now adays they would call it date rape or worse, this was an in between time a few years before she would have never gone into his apt to begin with but this was the 60's a very uneven period to say the least. FOR SURE HE IS SCUM a narciistic terrorist

140 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:09:31pm

re: #137 Sharmuta

The Sauds are flaming hypocrites.


Oil ticks are flamable.

141 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:09:41pm

re: #135 Ojoe

Wish G.W.Bush would say as much as Pat Condell says.

Actually, with 3 months to go, I'd prefer he remain silent.

142 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:10:05pm

Bless his heart!

143 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:10:28pm

re: #141 unrealizedviewpoint

Actually, with 3 months to go, I'd prefer he remain silent.


Yep...just stay under the bloody radar and enjoy the final days.

144 kirkoff  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:10:37pm

Condell's ridicule of these theocrats warms my soul.
That fatwa requiring one eyed abayas tho, is prophylaxis in anticipation
of next years rumored low cut model.It exposes nostril.
Whenever I see the word abaya,I wonder if it could be related to our word,
"abide",or possibly to the word "obey".
Neither word inspires thoughts of freedom,but of obligation.
That folks,is what "submission " is all about.It is the antithesis of freedom.
Regardless of claims to a great "civilization"those following sharia,are not
equal to those following a more secular civil law.
The difference is what makes us civil(ized).
For this I will not thank G-d,but our founding fathers.
Their foresight in limiting input from those claiming to speak for him
made ours a wonderful country.
I would request his assistance in keeping them the hell away from me.

145 Ojoe  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:10:46pm

re: #107 Racer X

re: #136 eon

Lefty acquaintances have defended Palestinian suicide bombers to my face.

I recoiled as if from the devil himself.

146 rightymouse  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:10:51pm

re: #126 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Yep...some of these folks should join Circque du Soliel,,,,they have an amazing ability to twist themselves in a manner that boggles.


It's so much easier being a conservative. One does not have to twist the brain into a mangled mess. It's a relief not to have to lie to oneself any more.

147 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:11:18pm
148 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:11:40pm

re: #138 David IV of Georgia

I agree. The women have truly submitted in that they must feel hopeless. It's as though it's a warped survival mechanism- like living half a life (or less) is better than no life at all.

149 stuiec  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:11:47pm

re: #133 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

The prosecutorial screw-ups just mean it's illegal to do to Ayers what he did to the cop in S.F., or what was done to Timothy McVeigh. No doubt if the UNABOM investigation had been similarly tainted, Ted Kaczynski would be a professor of mathematics at some university rather than in supermax.

150 David IV of Georgia  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:12:21pm

re: #143 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Yep...just stay under the bloody radar and enjoy the final days.

He can do a Jimmuh and speak his mind the day after the election is finalized.

151 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:12:25pm

re: #146 rightymouse

It's so much easier being a conservative. One does not have to twist the brain into a mangled mess. It's a relief not to have to lie to oneself any more.

It is, isn't it? Life is way simpler.

I, for one, am a happy person. I don't understand how these bitter lefties can live filled with such bile! How miserable they are.

152 hazzyday  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:12:40pm

Kick the government in the crotch.

153 yochanan  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:13:14pm

re: #100 nyc redneck

remember ayers was a trust fund terrorist, before he became a terrorist i bet he had no problem with raping his dates and his rich capitalist father more than likely protected his sorry azz

154 rightymouse  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:13:24pm

re: #147 buzzsawmonkey

If the "two-state solution" in the Middle East is Israel and Jordan--since Jordan is the bulk of Mandate Palestine, and was the part of the Mandate closed to Jewish emigration--I have no problem with a two-state solution.

If a "two-state solution" is actually a 3- or 4-state solution--Jordan, Israel, and either a "Palestine II" consisting of the West Bank and Gaza, or "Palestine II and Palestine III" consisting of the West Bank and Gaza as separate states--you bet I have a problem.

Agreed. Just had not equated the situation to what the lefties are doing to soft-pedal Ayers.

155 hazzyday  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:13:27pm

Who here wears a veil with just one eye showing? It's always two isn't it? They are crazy.

156 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:13:31pm

re: #131 Thanos

Hannity and Pipes on Obama and the Khalidis

How the HELL do people like this get into our country?Even more! How do the end up teaching school to our kids?

157 Alouette  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:13:34pm

re: #149 stuiec

The prosecutorial screw-ups just mean it's illegal to do to Ayers what he did to the cop in S.F., or what was done to Timothy McVeigh. No doubt if the UNABOM investigation had been similarly tainted, Ted Kaczynski would be a professor of mathematics at some university rather than in supermax.

Now we have harvested the fruit of the poison tree.

158 Ojoe  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:13:49pm

re: #152 hazzyday

Yes but the people ultimately are the government here.

Ow ow ow

159 lifeofthemind  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:14:02pm

Ayers sure as hell was a terrorist. The argument that he did not personally pull the pin on a grenade and toss it is rediculous. Arafat only participated in one operation that I know of. The head of Hizbullah in Lebanon may have never fired a shot for all I know. If you lead, organize, train and direct an organization that commits acts of terror then you are a terrorist.

160 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:14:09pm

re: #150 David IV of Georgia

He can do a Jimmuh and speak his mind the day after the election is finalized.

I suspect that a lot more than just speaking is going to get done between Nov. 5th and Jan. 20th.

/Are you paying attention Iran?

161 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:14:20pm

re: #149 stuiec

The prosecutorial screw-ups just mean it's illegal to do to Ayers what he did to the cop in S.F., or what was done to Timothy McVeigh. No doubt if the UNABOM investigation had been similarly tainted, Ted Kaczynski would be a professor of mathematics at some university rather than in supermax.

Scary, ain't it?

Yet I woudn't trade our justice system for anything in the world. For every bastard who gets off on the technicallities, there are hundres, thousands of convicted criminals in the pokey.

162 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:14:24pm

re: #143 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Yep...just stay under the bloody radar and enjoy the final days.

Every time he opens his unprepared mouth he proves again and again, as slow as his lips move, his mind moves slower.

163 godfrey  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:14:24pm

re: #156 Oldasdirt

They end up teaching school because conservatives have surrendered the territory. It's your country. Take it back.

164 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:14:43pm
165 WitchDoctor  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:14:50pm

Best line:
"I wouldn't vote labour again at gunpoint."

166 musicman  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:14:55pm

I love a good object lesson! Tomorrow night I wish McCain would wave around the 9/11/2001 edition of the NYT's and then ask Obama how old was he when this was published? And just exactly what happened that same day?

167 hazzyday  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:15:36pm

re: #133 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Ayers should be dumped out of that university or it should have all it's government grants and funding removed. Tenure? baloney to it.

168 loppyd  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:15:47pm

More Bogus Obama Donors Surface

-------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------

CBS News has learned that two donors to the Obama campaign that gave a total of $7,722 appear to have made their contributions under fake names that look like they were written by a mouse running across a keyboard: Dahsudhu Hdusahfd of Df, Hawaii with the following employer CZXVC/ZXVZXV and Uadhshgu Hduadh listed as living in Dhff, Florida listed their employer as DASADA/SAFASF.

CBS News did not find any records of these last names, towns or employers anywhere else. Newsweek reported two questionable Obama donors over the weekend named “Doodad Pro” and “Good Will”.

Contributions from the two donors Hdusahfd and Hduadh were made on the same day starting on July 16, 2008. Federal Election Commission (FEC) records show the campaign began refunding the donations as early as August 6, 2008.

169 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:16:16pm

Good afternoon lizards.................

170 Alouette  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:16:18pm

re: #159 lifeofthemind

Ayers sure as hell was a terrorist. The argument that he did not personally pull the pin on a grenade and toss it is rediculous. Arafat only participated in one operation that I know of. The head of Hizbullah in Lebanon may have never fired a shot for all I know. If you lead, organize, train and direct an organization that commits acts of terror then you are a terrorist.

Eichmann never personally killed anyone.

171 loppyd  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:16:26pm

Oops - here is the link

More Bogus Obama Donors Surface

172 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:16:36pm

re: #167 hazzyday

Ayers should be dumped out of that university or it should have all it's government grants and funding removed. Tenure? baloney to it.

Profs like him are why I hestiate to encourage my kids toward college.

173 LoFlyer  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:16:39pm

re: #137 Sharmuta

The Sauds are flaming hypocrites.

Arrr, No-Shiit mate! They party like there is no tomorrow when they are out of country!

174 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:16:41pm

re: #19 loppyd

For you, Pat....

Ironically, this is the song that Tom Petty sang during the 9/11 telethon.

Where did that spirit go?

Off to eat suppah.

BBL

I love that song. It's a good anthem for though times, and in many ways could serve as John McCain's song.

175 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:16:46pm

re: #159 lifeofthemind

Ayers sure as hell was a terrorist. The argument that he did not personally pull the pin on a grenade and toss it is rediculous. Arafat only participated in one operation that I know of. The head of Hizbullah in Lebanon may have never fired a shot for all I know. If you lead, organize, train and direct an organization that commits acts of terror then you are a terrorist.

Yeah, but is he a registered terrorist?

/re: registered sex offender

176 hazzyday  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:16:53pm

re: #158 Ojoe

Yes but the people ultimately are the government here.

Ow ow ow

Quoting from the end of the vid. He mean the British government. But no effect if they have been sharia castrated.

177 Archimedes  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:17:10pm

re: #131 Thanos

Hannity and Pipes on Obama and the Khalidis


Rashid Khalidi member of the PLO? These universities really hire some sweet people, and Obama found another pal.

178 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:17:42pm
179 Elcid  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:17:46pm

Pat Condell has NO reason to back down. I just hope the man, doesn't suffer the fate of Theo van Gogh.

If he does, who will then speak for the Brits?

180 GregInSeattle  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:17:49pm

Very well said, Pat. He's a brave, articulate man.

181 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:18:21pm

re: #107 Racer X

Let me get this straight - the left is actually defending Bill Ayers?

Let them defend him. They'll discredit themselves in so doing. If the enemy is willing to defend territory where you hold all the advantages, by all means let him defend it and crush him there.

182 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:18:52pm

Gotta cook dinner...the rug rats are rebelling.

BRB

183 musicman  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:19:08pm

re: #159 lifeofthemind

Ayers sure as hell was a terrorist. The argument that he did not personally pull the pin on a grenade and toss it is rediculous. Arafat only participated in one operation that I know of. The head of Hizbullah in Lebanon may have never fired a shot for all I know. If you lead, organize, train and direct an organization that commits acts of terror then you are a terrorist.

George Bush hasn't even carried so much as a weapon and look what he's being blamed for.

184 eon  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:19:19pm

re: #166 musicman

I love a good object lesson! Tomorrow night I wish McCain would wave around the 9/11/2001 edition of the NYT's and then ask Obama how old was he when this was published? And just exactly what happened that same day?

Make sure it's the front page of Arts- that's where the Ayers interview was.

Which makes me tend to suspect the NYT of defining terrorism as nothing more serious than a somewhat extreme version of "performance art", or perhaps "guerilla theatre".

And I'm sure they think that the victims "had it coming" for being on the wrong side of the terrorists' agenda, too.

/To the NYT, only the terrorists are "innocent"

cheers

eon

185 calcajun  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:19:21pm

re: #107 Racer X

What else can they do? Sure, he's an unrepentant bomber--but he's their unrepentant bomber

186 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:19:41pm

re: #181 Dark_Falcon

Let them defend him. They'll discredit themselves in so doing. If the enemy is willing to defend territory where you hold all the advantages, by all means let him defend it and crush him there.

How exactly do you discredit someone who has no creditability to start with?

187 lifeofthemind  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:20:00pm

re: #170 Alouette

Eichmann never personally killed anyone.

Feliks Dzhersinsky killed once when someone attacked him in his office.

188 vero  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:20:17pm

1st the Chicago Cubs go down

Now the Chicago white Sox

next will be Chicago Obama

Good year if you despise Chicago, ain't it

189 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:20:20pm

re: #168 loppyd

More Bogus Obama Donors Surface

---------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------

"Dahsudhu Hdusahfd of Df, Hawaii with the following employer CZXVC/ZXVZXV and Uadhshgu Hduadh listed as living in Dhff, Florida listed their employer as DASADA/SAFASF."


They might be Celtic. I think "Dahsudhu Hdusahfd" is the Celt spelling of David Hasselhoff, and "Uadhshgu Hduadh" is Andy Dick.

190 rightymouse  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:20:32pm

re: #151 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

It is, isn't it? Life is way simpler.

I, for one, am a happy person. I don't understand how these bitter lefties can live filled with such bile! How miserable they are.

The bitter lefties are that way methinks because they don't want to ever take responsibility for themselves. Their negative life choices are never examined so they don't grow up and benefit from hindsight. It's so much easier to fling poo elsewhere or expect someone to bail them out than grow a pair and do the right things to better their lives.

Also, I think at some level, they know they are full of crap and are very defensive about it.

191 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:20:33pm
192 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:20:47pm

re: #181 Dark_Falcon

Let them defend him. They'll discredit themselves in so doing. If the enemy is willing to defend territory where you hold all the advantages, by all means let him defend it and crush him there.

I think some general said this one time,"We are surrounded by the enemy on all sides,we have them right where we want them."

193 calcajun  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:21:17pm

re: #188 vero

What about us who hate the Bears?

194 loppyd  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:21:33pm

One week and one day later and still Jeff Jacoby's devastating column on Barney Frank's pivotal role in the mortgage meltdown is the #1 most emailed story on boston.com!

MOST E-MAILED
1. Frank's fingerprints are all over the financial fiasco

195 lifeofthemind  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:21:46pm

re: #192 Oldasdirt

I think some general said this one time,"We are surrounded by the enemy on all sides,we have them right where we want them."

Chesty Puller frozen Chosin

196 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:22:09pm

re: #190 rightymouse

The bitter lefties are that way methinks because they don't want to ever take responsibility for themselves. Their negative life choices are never examined so they don't grow up and benefit from hindsight. It's so much easier to fling poo elsewhere or expect someone to bail them out than grow a pair and do the right things to better their lives.

Also, I think at some level, they know they are full of crap and are very defensive about it.

You nailed it. Is that a new avatar or am I thinking of another mouse?

197 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:22:33pm

re: #178 buzzsawmonkey

Richard Elrod was paralyzed in that incident.

198 guzziguy  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:23:25pm

re: #192 Oldasdirt

I think some general said this one time,"We are surrounded by the enemy on all sides,we have them right where we want them."

"They are in front of us, behind us, and we are flanked on both sides by an
enemy that outnumbers us 29:1. They can't get away from us now!"
- Lewis B. "Chesty" Puller, USMC

199 J.S.  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:23:28pm

re: #156 Oldasdirt

And then, the funding! The f-0-0K-g domestic terrorists are funding the Palestinian terrorists. Pipes alleges a financial connection (to the tune of $70,000) funneled to Khalidi...Isn't anyone investigating this? And, the connections between Ayers and Khalidi go back to when the PLO was a designated terrorist organization.

200 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:23:42pm

re: #191 buzzsawmonkey

To distinguish him from the Unibomber, I hereby dub Bill Ayers the Diversibomber.

How about the O-Bomber?

201 loppyd  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:23:49pm

re: #189 CyanSnowHawk

They might be Celtic. I think "Dahsudhu Hdusahfd" is the Celt spelling of David Hasselhoff, and "Uadhshgu Hduadh" is Andy Dick.

I thought they were Amish.

202 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:23:52pm
203 yochanan  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:24:01pm

until there is peace why do i have to accept any pali state jordan or anywere else?

with peace yes with out peace
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

204 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:24:13pm
205 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:24:17pm

re: #192 Oldasdirt

I think some general said this one time,"We are surrounded by the enemy on all sides,we have them right where we want them."

ROTFLMAO................I'm pretty sure that was Captain Kirk.......

206 guzziguy  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:24:24pm

re: #200 CyanSnowHawk

How about the O-Bomber?

I like it.

207 itellu3times  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:25:00pm

re: #113 CyanSnowHawk

May be related to the settlement they reached on the Countrywide mortgages, where the deadbeat punks get rate reductions and other concessions, and those that managed to keep up to date without a single late payment, like me, get nothing.

/BofA I am waiting to hear from you!

Yah. If it's carefully done, it might not be too violently unfair, just a stiffer rate cap and rescheduling and endless negative amortization. But I mean, how about me, I didn't even take a mortgage, can't somebody just send me my share of the $700,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 in cash?

208 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:25:15pm

I love how a shithead like Ayers can scream about living in a fascist police state for decades, where if the government was actually even remotely what he suggested it is, he would have had been dumped in a ditch with his skull cracked open 30 years ago.

209 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:25:19pm

re: #200 CyanSnowHawk

How about the O-Bomber?

Obomber/Biden 2008

210 musicman  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:25:38pm

re: #194 loppyd

One week and one day later and still Jeff Jacoby's devastating column on Barney Frank's pivotal role in the mortgage meltdown is the #1 most emailed story on boston.com!

MOST E-MAILED
1. Frank's fingerprints are all over the financial fiasco

Would that also include Frank's boyfriend in the article?

211 zombie  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:25:45pm

Condell-Palin '08!

212 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:25:55pm

re: #208 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I love how a shithead like Ayers can scream about living in a fascist police state for decades, where if the government was actually even remotely what he suggested it is, he would have had been dumped in a ditch with his skull cracked open 30 years ago.

The irony is lost on them.

213 J.S.  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:26:06pm

re: #131 Thanos

Is there a written transcript of this broadcast anywhere?

214 zombie  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:26:07pm

Too bad about Constitution and all that.

215 abu_garcia  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:26:53pm

I logged in just for the pleasure of giving this a "+".

Good on ya, Pat.

G'night folks.

216 loppyd  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:26:54pm

re: #210 musicman

Would that also include Frank's boyfriend in the article?

Nope. It was before that became news....

Hope all is well with you and yours!

217 David IV of Georgia  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:26:56pm

re: #172 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Profs like him are why I hestiate to encourage my kids toward college.

Some colleges are still good. While many companies give huge sums to fund all these crazy educational experiments, many hire from colleges that have traditional education and values—would you hire those wackos?

The problem is finding a school with traditional values. Speaking with current and recently graduated students is a good way to discover what was taught. Telling somewhat non-PC jokes and seeing the response is a good way to tell I've found.

218 brickthruplateglasswindow  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:27:06pm

re: #189 CyanSnowHawk

They might be Celtic. I think "Dahsudhu Hdusahfd" is the Celt spelling of David Hasselhoff, and "Uadhshgu Hduadh" is Andy Dick.

Dahsudhu Hdusahfd! I KNOW that guy! Came from old money. Talked with a lisp, smelled funny, fancied himself a ladies man but never scored. Figures, he'd be giving $$ to the One. IIRC, his great grandfather Qwerty Dvorak invented something big...but for the life of me, I can't remember what it was.

219 Archimedes  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:27:14pm

re: #214 zombie

Too bad about Constitution and all that.

Well, at least it keeps Fidel from running.

220 kirkoff  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:27:23pm

re: #200 CyanSnowHawk

How about the O-Bomber?

Obamer may wish to celebrate diversity.
I plan to confine my celebration to infidelity.

221 stuiec  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:27:28pm

re: #161 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Scary, ain't it?

Yet I woudn't trade our justice system for anything in the world. For every bastard who gets off on the technicallities, there are hundres, thousands of convicted criminals in the pokey.

As Alouette points out at #157 above, the Fruit of the Poisoned Tree doctrine is not really a healthy way to punish police or prosecutorial misconduct. It's hard to see how it's right to punish an official by letting a criminal loose to prey on society.

222 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:28:04pm

re: #208 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I love how a shithead like Ayers can scream about living in a fascist police state for decades, where if the government was actually even remotely what he suggested it is, he would have had been dumped in a ditch with his skull cracked open 30 years ago.

No kidding!
On a better note McCain within 3 in the latest CBS poll

223 Tamron  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:28:06pm

re: #198 guzziguy

"They are in front of us, behind us, and we are flanked on both sides by an
enemy that outnumbers us 29:1. They can't get away from us now!"
- Lewis B. "Chesty" Puller, USMC


The Lone Ranger and Tonto are in a tight spot. Lone Ranger says, "Tonto! There are Indians to the right of us, Indians to the left of us, Indians in front of us, and Indians behind us! What are we going to DO?"

Tonto: "Uhhhh. What you mean, 'WE', white man?
.

224 Archimedes  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:28:18pm

re: #212 Sharmuta

The irony is lost on them.

Or they are so vicious they see the irony all too clearly.

225 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:28:29pm
226 WF Bach  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:28:45pm

re: #191 buzzsawmonkey

To distinguish him from the Unibomber, I hereby dub Bill Ayers the Diversibomber.

But it's Unabomber' not "Unibomber."

227 x-wing  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:28:49pm

re: #194 loppyd

One week and one day later and still Jeff Jacoby's devastating column on Barney Frank's pivotal role in the mortgage meltdown is the #1 most emailed story on boston.com!

MOST E-MAILED
1. Frank's fingerprints are all over the financial fiasco

And his mouth prints are all over something else. ;>}

228 lifeofthemind  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:29:03pm

re: #214 zombie

Too bad about Constitution and all that.


Zombie, get with the program, the Constitution is a living document constantly evolving and flexibly responding to new conditions.
/do I need to?

229 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:29:17pm

re: #224 Archimedes

Or they are so vicious they see the irony all too clearly.

Honestly, I think it's ignorance- they don't really know what fascism is.

230 zombie  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:29:27pm

You know what would be really, really interesting?

Obama calls a national press conference, announces he's dropping Biden from the ticket, and replacing him with...Sarah Palin, whether she like it or not. Then, both candidates would be running with the same VP, essentially neutralizing her influence.

Obama-Palin '08! Can you imagine how insurmountable that would be? Even I would have to pause for moment in the voting booth over that one.

231 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:29:28pm

re: #227 x-wing

And his mouth prints are all over something else. ;>}


Ewwwww. I am trying to eat dinner, ya know!

232 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:29:38pm
233 itellu3times  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:29:52pm

re: #226 WF Bach

But it's Unabomber' not "Unibomber."

So how about the Billabomber.

234 musicman  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:30:18pm

re: #216 loppyd

Nope. It was before that became news....

Hope all is well with you and yours!

I am currently recovering from my second knee surgery in the last 5 month's. Doing nothing, sitting in my recliner for the last 5 days is about to drive me nuts. Being on LGF though has helped to keep my sanity.

235 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:30:24pm
236 Archimedes  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:30:25pm

re: #229 Sharmuta

Honestly, I think it's ignorance- they don't really know what fascism is.

Ayers strikes me as out right evil.

237 Tamron  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:30:37pm

Say, check out this SUZUKI HAYABUSA accelerating to 220 MPH in close to 20 seconds.

That'll put hair on your chest.
.

238 David IV of Georgia  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:30:44pm

re: #159 lifeofthemind

Ayers sure as hell was a terrorist. The argument that he did not personally pull the pin on a grenade and toss it is rediculous. Arafat only participated in one operation that I know of. The head of Hizbullah in Lebanon may have never fired a shot for all I know. If you lead, organize, train and direct an organization that commits acts of terror then you are a terrorist.

How many people did Charles Manson kill?

239 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:30:47pm

re: #207 itellu3times

Yah. If it's carefully done, it might not be too violently unfair, just a stiffer rate cap and rescheduling and endless negative amortization. But I mean, how about me, I didn't even take a mortgage, can't somebody just send me my share of the $700,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 in cash?

How much of your house are you willing to put up for it? I think my take on the bailout now is that the Gov't is just upside down in the principal/asset ratio.

240 stuiec  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:30:47pm

re: #230 zombie

Now THAT'S innovative!

241 itellu3times  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:31:10pm

re: #235 buzzsawmonkey

Sounds too much like something the jolly swagman would camp beside.

You'll come a waltzing Obama with me.

242 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:31:27pm

re: #218 brickthruplateglasswindow

Qwerty Dvorak inherited everything from his uncle Joe Dvorak who was the nephew of Anton Dvorak who wrote a wonderful symphony.

243 rightymouse  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:31:42pm

re: #196 unrealizedviewpoint

You nailed it. Is that a new avatar or am I thinking of another mouse?


Hey..hey! There's only one mouse here. lol!

Seriously, I changed the avatar a while ago. Thinking of changing it again. Have another fun one to use.

As for continued musings on lefties, I also think they truly believe that the gummint's role is to take money away from the productive and spread it around to the non-productive. At heart, liberals feel guilty about the lot of others as though it's everybody else's fault, instead of individual choices and decisions. They don't hold themselves accountable for anything, so why should they hold anyone else accountable? Except the wealthy. 'Cause it's easier to take their money and not feel guilty.

244 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:31:46pm

re: #230 zombie

I think the zombies been drinkin' today.

245 lifeofthemind  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:31:55pm

re: #230 zombie

You know what would be really, really interesting?

Obama calls a national press conference, announces he's dropping Biden from the ticket, and replacing him with...Sarah Palin, whether she like it or not. Then, both candidates would be running with the same VP, essentially neutralizing her influence.

Obama-Palin '08! Can you imagine how insurmountable that would be? Even I would have to pause for moment in the voting booth over that one.

Palin has lunch with Hillary and Obama never gets a second of sleep until he is carried away in a straight jacket.
/full employment for food tasters

246 loppyd  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:32:03pm

re: #234 musicman

I am currently recovering from my second knee surgery in the last 5 month's. Doing nothing, sitting in my recliner for the last 5 days is about to drive me nuts. Being on LGF though has helped to keep my sanity.

I'm really sorry to hear that.

I hope you're back on your feet soon!

247 musicman  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:32:20pm

re: #227 x-wing

And his mouth prints are all over something else. ;>}

Eeeewwww!

248 sparrowlake  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:32:26pm

re: #200 CyanSnowHawk

How about the O-Bomber?

Perfect - and it highlights his new and improved Irish name too: Barry O'Bomber

249 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:32:44pm

re: #244 unrealizedviewpoint

I think the zombies been drinkin' today.

Maybe he/she spent too much time on the marajuwhanna thread earlier

250 wiffersnapper  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:32:45pm

nice job, pat!

251 eon  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:33:06pm

re: #208 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I love how a shithead like Ayers can scream about living in a fascist police state for decades, where if the government was actually even remotely what he suggested it is, he would have had been dumped in a ditch with his skull cracked open 30 years ago.

This is my standard response to Truthers, conspiracists, people who think we never went to the Moon, and/or anyone else who is convinced that anyone to the right of Che' Guevara is part of a vast, all-powerful conspiracy that they are opposed to;

If the Conspiracy is so all-powerful, why are you still alive?

After all, people die in "undetermined circumstances" in this country every day. To a truly powerful "conspiracy", one or two more wouldn't amount to a problem.

Some such riposte that "I'm well enough known that if I disappeared, there would be trouble."

It seems to be a common feature of their paranoid/grandiose disorder that they believe themselves to be far more important than any objective assessment would support.

cheers

eon

252 itellu3times  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:33:15pm

I liked it when Palin called him Obiden in the debate, she should keep doing that.

253 loppyd  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:33:21pm

Off to watch the Red Sox.

Have a good night, Lizard Nation!

GO SOX!

254 Tamron  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:33:33pm

re: #208 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I love how a shithead like Ayers can scream about living in a fascist police state for decades, where if the government was actually even remotely what he suggested it is, he would have had been dumped in a ditch with his skull cracked open 30 years ago.


Ya just can't reason with a junkyard dog. Why try?
.

255 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:33:54pm

That one's a keeper.

256 yochanan  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:34:30pm

the first mayor daley is rolling in his grave for sure. he was crupt for sure but he was very ANTI COMMUNIST.

257 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:34:41pm

Damn, but I make a great pork roast!

A little oil in a frying pan, seasoned with Tony Cacheries....brown all sides of the roast then drop the sucker into a crock pot. Pour two cans for pineapple bits with the juice over the roast and add 1/4 cup of Worcestershire sauce and cook all day long.....


Yummy

258 USCMSNE  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:34:46pm

OT: Frank says GOP housing attacks racially motivated

/If I said I hope he takes it in the ass this election cycle, is that good or bad?

259 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:35:26pm

re: #237 Tamron

Say, check out this SUZUKI HAYABUSA accelerating to 220 MPH in close to 20 seconds.

That'll put hair on your chest.
.

Right up until you hit the pavement and scrap it all off.

260 OldLineTexan  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:35:29pm

re: #211 zombie

Condell-Palin '08!

That would be more like a cage match than a ticket, even if it were possible for Condell to run for the office.

261 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:35:32pm

re: #208 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I love how a shithead like Ayers can scream about living in a fascist police state for decades, where if the government was actually even remotely what he suggested it is, he would have had been dumped in a ditch with his skull cracked open 30 years ago.

A true fascist state would have "disappeared" him in 1969.

/but ya can't have everything

262 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:35:48pm

re: #251 eon

I take it you've read Maddox's take on conspiracies?

Unlike others who debunk 9/11 conspiracy theories, or "cons" for short, I'm not going to bother with going through intricate point-by-point rebuttals, or pointing out the hundreds of factual inaccuracies and outright lies in this "documentary," because I don't need to. In fact, I can debunk the entire story with one simple observation:

The fact that this man is alive...

263 lifeofthemind  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:35:52pm

Interesting
Your text to link...Feds ask to strike Rezco's October Sentencing

264 Archimedes  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:36:05pm

re: #258 USCMSNE

OT: Frank says GOP housing attacks racially motivated

/If I said I hope he takes it in the ass this election cycle, is that good or bad?

Your call.

265 x-wing  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:36:06pm

re: #231 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Ewwwww. I am trying to eat dinner, ya know!

Sorry,it is a hard subject to swallow. ;>}

/O.K. I'll stop

266 OldLineTexan  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:36:25pm

re: #257 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Damn, but I make a great pork roast!

A little oil in a frying pan, seasoned with Tony Cacheries....brown all sides of the roast then drop the sucker into a crock pot. Pour two cans for pineapple bits with the juice over the roast and add 1/4 cup of Worcestershire sauce and cook all day long.....


Yummy

And me already married...sniff...sob...stomach rumble

/

267 eon  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:36:25pm

re: #223 Tamron

The Lone Ranger and Tonto are in a tight spot. Lone Ranger says, "Tonto! There are Indians to the right of us, Indians to the left of us, Indians in front of us, and Indians behind us! What are we going to DO?"

Tonto: "Uhhhh. What you mean, 'WE', white man?
.



Don't think of it as being surrounded. Think of it as us having the widest possible target selection.

-unnamed U.S.M.C. Lt. Colonel, Hue, 1968

cheers

eon

268 MacGiolaPhadraig  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:36:26pm

"We're paratroopers, Lieutenant. We're supposed to be surrounded."
Lt. Richard Winters

269 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:36:40pm

re: #257 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Damn, but I make a great pork roast!

A little oil in a frying pan, seasoned with Tony Cacheries....brown all sides of the roast then drop the sucker into a crock pot. Pour two cans for pineapple bits with the juice over the roast and add 1/4 cup of Worcestershire sauce and cook all day long.....


Yummy

Sounds great! Send it to Reine for the cookbook!

270 mama winger  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:36:57pm

What would you give ?


in exchange for your soul

271 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:37:06pm

re: #259 CyanSnowHawk

Right up until you hit the pavement and scrap it all off.

Yeah, ask Ben Roethlisberger. He bounced off the hood of a car (sans helmet) after he exited his Hayabusa in 2006. Ouch!

272 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:37:09pm

re: #265 x-wing

Sorry,it is a hard subject to swallow. ;>}

/O.K. I'll stop

OMG....dude.

273 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:37:14pm

re: #243 rightymouse

Hey..hey! There's only one mouse here. lol!

Mouse you say? Hmm, I hunger.

274 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:37:22pm

re: #258 USCMSNE

OT: Frank says GOP housing attacks racially motivated

/If I said I hope he takes it in the ass this election cycle, is that good or bad?

Turn about is fair play. He just gave it to every tax payer in the hinder.

275 guzziguy  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:37:23pm

re: #230 zombie

You know what would be really, really interesting?

Obama calls a national press conference, announces he's dropping Biden from the ticket, and replacing him with...Sarah Palin, whether she like it or not. Then, both candidates would be running with the same VP, essentially neutralizing her influence.

Obama-Palin '08! Can you imagine how insurmountable that would be? Even I would have to pause for moment in the voting booth over that one.

Zombie, please. I've read your stuff for months, maybe years. I don't for a minute believe you could pull the lever for Obama under any circumstance.

Sarah would make bHo a more attractive candidate though. A bit like lipstick on a ......

276 loppyd  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:37:23pm

re: #258 USCMSNE

OT: Frank says GOP housing attacks racially motivated

/If I said I hope he takes it in the ass this election cycle, is that good or bad?

Before I go - let me just apologize once again for this tool.

Sometimes being from MA is too much to bear.

LOL

Seriously considering that move to either SC or NC....

277 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:37:41pm

re: #258 USCMSNE

OT: Frank says GOP housing attacks racially motivated

/If I said I hope he takes it in the ass this election cycle, is that good or bad?

Don't excite him like that.

278 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:38:06pm

re: #266 OldLineTexan

And me already married...sniff...sob...stomach rumble

/

You and the bride are welcome over any time, ya know.

279 nyc redneck  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:38:13pm

re: #257 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Damn, but I make a great pork roast!

A little oil in a frying pan, seasoned with Tony Cacheries....brown all sides of the roast then drop the sucker into a crock pot. Pour two cans for pineapple bits with the juice over the roast and add 1/4 cup of Worcestershire sauce and cook all day long.....


Yummy

i'll try it, thanks.

280 WF Bach  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:38:28pm

What American colonel killed the greatest number of his fellow Americans?

281 loppyd  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:38:29pm

First Pitch - gotta run!

282 unclassifiable  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:38:37pm

re: #214 zombie

Maybe as Secretary of State. We've had a few "can't be president because of residence" in that position.

I'd love to see that confirmation hearing.

283 rightymouse  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:38:59pm

re: #273 CyanSnowHawk

Mouse you say? Hmm, I hunger.


I have super powers and can evade hawks at the speed of light.

284 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:39:10pm

re: #280 WF Bach

What American colonel killed the greatest number of his fellow Americans?

Sanders. That chicken just chokes up the arteries.

285 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:39:18pm

re: #280 WF Bach

What American colonel killed the greatest number of his fellow Americans?

Arnold?

286 yochanan  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:39:20pm

THE CHILEAN OR ARGENTINE JUNTA would have fed ayers to the fishes

and i would not have shed any tears for him.

287 David IV of Georgia  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:39:34pm

re: #257 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Damn, but I make a great pork roast!

A little oil in a frying pan, seasoned with Tony Cacheries....brown all sides of the roast then drop the sucker into a crock pot. Pour two cans for pineapple bits with the juice over the roast and add 1/4 cup of Worcestershire sauce and cook all day long.....


Yummy

That's food pr0n.

288 WF Bach  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:39:36pm

re: #284 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Sanders. That chicken just chokes up the arteries.

Yep.

289 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:39:51pm

re: #199 J.S.

And then, the funding! The f-0-0K-g domestic terrorists are funding the Palestinian terrorists. Pipes alleges a financial connection (to the tune of $70,000) funneled to Khalidi...Isn't anyone investigating this? And, the connections between Ayers and Khalidi go back to when the PLO was a designated terrorist organization.

I am lost for words.Terrorist teaching our children,murderers out of jail killing cops,child molesters free to walk the streets and stalk our children.
This is not the America i know.I vote to stop this crap,but it's like there are 3 people voting against me when i do.One voter has been dead 20 years,another is a 13 year old with a SS card,and the other is an idiot.

290 eon  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:39:51pm

re: #262 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I take it you've read Maddox's take on conspiracies?

Actually, I'd never heard of it until now. Thanks for the link!

cheers

eon

291 lifeofthemind  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:39:55pm

re: #280 WF Bach

What American colonel killed the greatest number of his fellow Americans?

Colonel Sanders, stuff is lethal

292 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:40:11pm

re: #279 nyc redneck

i'll try it, thanks.


It's teh bomb....can ya get Tony C's in NYC? If not, I'll be happy to send you some.

293 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:40:23pm

re: #291 lifeofthemind

Colonel Sanders, stuff is lethal

Tastes like it too.

294 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:40:28pm

re: #243 rightymouse

Hey..hey! There's only one mouse here. lol!

Seriously, I changed the avatar a while ago. Thinking of changing it again. Have another fun one to use.

As for continued musings on lefties, I also think they truly believe that the gummint's role is to take money away from the productive and spread it around to the non-productive. At heart, liberals feel guilty about the lot of others as though it's everybody else's fault, instead of individual choices and decisions. They don't hold themselves accountable for anything, so why should they hold anyone else accountable? Except the wealthy. 'Cause it's easier to take their money and not feel guilty.

I'm not here all that much anymore. I came back for the election. I just noticed an avatar appeared different. I like your musings. Ayn Rand would be proud.

295 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:40:58pm

re: #287 David IV of Georgia

That's food pr0n.


Bowchickabowwow!

296 Osama Bin Porkchop  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:41:16pm

re: #258 USCMSNE

OT: Frank says GOP housing attacks racially motivated

/If I said I hope he takes it in the ass this election cycle, is that good or bad?

What a sniveling, worthless POS he is....
I do wonder, how many cards are in a deck of race cards? 57? To play the race card on a problem he is responsible for is the height of chutzpah......

297 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:41:20pm

re: #283 rightymouse

I have super powers and can evade hawks at the speed of light.

That must be why the talons only grabbed air. Curses!

298 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:41:50pm

re: #288 WF Bach

Yep.


But I love dipping his biscuits in the gravy!

299 Bobblehead  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:41:53pm

re: #258 USCMSNE

OT: Frank says GOP housing attacks racially motivated

/If I said I hope he takes it in the ass this election cycle, is that good or bad?

That POS! The man is beyond contemptible.

300 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:41:58pm
301 OldLineTexan  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:42:15pm

re: #278 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

You and the bride are welcome over any time, ya know.

You're a priceless jewel. The Mrs. is not in any shape for socializing.

And I have not forgotten I owe you lunch. ;)

302 nyc redneck  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:42:17pm

re: #292 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

i should be able to get it here. thank you so much for offering, tho.
:D

303 MacGiolaPhadraig  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:42:18pm

re: #280 WF Bach

Gota be Civil War. Or maybe Custer?

304 WF Bach  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:42:39pm

re: #291 lifeofthemind

Colonel Sanders, stuff is lethal

I need fresher material, you guys know all my punchlines :(

305 WF Bach  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:43:17pm

re: #303 MacGiolaPhadraig

Gota be Civil War. Or maybe Custer?

Colonel Sanders. Fried chicken is lethal.

306 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:43:22pm

re: #301 OldLineTexan

You're a priceless jewel. The Mrs. is not in any shape for socializing.

And I have not forgotten I owe you lunch. ;)

Sorry to hear it, is there anything I can do for you guys?

307 OldLineTexan  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:43:34pm

re: #286 yochanan

THE CHILEAN OR ARGENTINE JUNTA would have fed ayers to the fishes

and i would not have shed any tears for him.

.......don't cry for Bill, Ar-zhen-teeee-naaaaah...

308 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:44:10pm

re: #305 WF Bach

Colonel Sanders. Fried chicken is lethal.


I love cold original recipe.....

309 BignJames  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:44:23pm

re: #276 loppyd

C'mon down, you'll feel right at home! lotsa yankees already hereL

310 rightymouse  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:44:25pm

re: #294 unrealizedviewpoint

I'm not here all that much anymore. I came back for the election. I just noticed an avatar appeared different. I like your musings. Ayn Rand would be proud.

I did read 'Atlas Shrugged' but had a hard time with it because she took forever to get to the point in some of the monologues and I didn't care for the personalities of some of the characters.

But I do understand the mentality of the left. Was a Democrat until 9-11. Not a moonbat, mind you, but enough of a Dem to understand the way they think. I still have really loopy moonbats in my family.

311 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:44:54pm

re: #299 Bobblehead

That POS! The man is beyond contemptible.

Every time I hear him speak, I think he is 'despicable' for some reason.

312 MacGiolaPhadraig  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:45:13pm

re: #305 WF Bach

Colonel Sanders. Fried chicken is lethal.

*rimshot*
Got me.

313 USCMSNE  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:45:24pm

re: #276 loppyd

Before I go - let me just apologize once again for this tool.

Sometimes being from MA is too much to bear.

LOL

Seriously considering that move to either SC or NC....

I was raised in the midwest. Joined the Navy and was stationed in FL, GA, and SC. When I got out, with my choice to move anywhere as a "fresh start" where did I go? AL with the Carolinas as a close second. No desire to move north or west, ever. No offense to all-ya'll who are geographically challenged, someone has to live in CA et al and take the fight to the enemy in their homelands.

314 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:45:33pm

re: #305 WF Bach

Colonel Sanders. Fried chicken is lethal.

Haven't been there in 10 years. Since they started serving midget chickens.

315 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:45:37pm

re: #303 MacGiolaPhadraig

Gota be Civil War. Or maybe Custer?

Maybe Rutherford B. Hayes...

316 WF Bach  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:45:39pm

re: #298 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

But I love dipping his biscuits in the gravy!

They don't have that in Canada, you know. Not even sure if they have it in northern US markets.

317 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:45:48pm

re: #308 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I love cold original recipe.....

As I tell my coworkers, the day they make a food which guarantees I'll live forever, I'm there. Until then, deliciousness is the primary factor to my diet.

318 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:45:57pm

re: #268 MacGiolaPhadraig

They've got us surrounded, the poor bastards!

--101st Abn, Bastogne, 1944

319 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:46:29pm

re: #127 arethusa

As an academic, I have to say, the sixties have completely corrupted a great many good minds among my older colleagues - whether it was drugs, or Vietnam, or the mistaken idea that they were creating Utopia, these people are just not sane on the subject.

In their minds, they have created a warped version of Utopia. Their parents supported them up through college, and now the taxpayers and students' tuition support them. They never had to get out and produce, choosing instead to remain in a suspended state of development on college campuses around the country, working for the Social Studies Industry. The communist template is a perfect fit for them. Youth was fun, but thank God I retained enough sense, and got my reality check in time to escape that fate, and become a somewhat 'regular' person.

320 OldLineTexan  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:46:43pm

re: #306 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Sorry to hear it, is there anything I can do for you guys?

No, not unless you have a magic wand. It's OK, all is quiet on the Western Front at the moment.

321 sparrowlake  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:46:47pm

re: #258 USCMSNE

OT: Frank says GOP housing attacks racially motivated
/If I said I hope he takes it in the ass this election cycle, is that good or bad?

Neither the Good or the Bad - rather, it would be THE UGLY.

322 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:46:54pm

re: #258 USCMSNE

OT: Frank says GOP housing attacks racially motivated

/If I said I hope he takes it in the ass this election cycle, is that good or bad?

I'm sickandfuckingtired of being called a racist.

323 capitalist piglet  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:47:29pm

re: #166 musicman

I love a good object lesson! Tomorrow night I wish McCain would wave around the 9/11/2001 edition of the NYT's and then ask Obama how old was he when this was published? And just exactly what happened that same day?

Oh, now that is good.

324 WF Bach  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:47:35pm

re: #314 unrealizedviewpoint

Haven't been there in 10 years. Since they started serving midget chickens.

Sanders dissociated himself from the franchise product they were selling during his later years after he sold out. It would have been nice to try the real original stuff he was selling in KY and OH.

325 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:48:01pm

re: #316 WF Bach

They don't have that in Canada, you know. Not even sure if they have it in northern US markets.


OMG, how do you manage? They have, at least in the south, the old fashioned biscuits and this lovely brown gravy....loaded with transfats and other bad things I'm sure, but it tastes so good!

I make a meal out of just the biscuits and gravy...I craved this with the first baby.

326 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:48:06pm

re: #310 rightymouse

I did read 'Atlas Shrugged' but had a hard time with it because she took forever to get to the point in some of the monologues and I didn't care for the personalities of some of the characters.

But I do understand the mentality of the left. Was a Democrat until 9-11. Not a moonbat, mind you, but enough of a Dem to understand the way they think. I still have really loopy moonbats in my family.

I recently picked up Atlas Shrugged on CD. It's easier when someone else does the work. :)

my 3000 post

327 jemima  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:48:10pm

Did someone point out Barry's mentor, Frank Davis Marshall, was a pedophile?
I loved the quote from Jeremiah Wright that Bill Clinton (?) was riding dirty?
So what is it with his friends and sex?

328 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:48:39pm

re: #310 rightymouse

I did read 'Atlas Shrugged' but had a hard time with it because she took forever to get to the point in some of the monologues and I didn't care for the personalities of some of the characters.

But I do understand the mentality of the left. Was a Democrat until 9-11. Not a moonbat, mind you, but enough of a Dem to understand the way they think. I still have really loopy moonbats in my family.

Ever try reading the "Sword of Truth" series? Ayn Rand meets Lord of the Rings. Nothing quiet like a full infantry charge thru a bunch of empty-headed "peace at all costs" human shields.

329 Archimedes  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:48:40pm

re: #322 MandyManners

I'm sickandfuckingtired of being called a racist.


Frank is obviously guilty, he's pulled out that big epithet.

330 rightymouse  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:48:46pm

re: #297 CyanSnowHawk

That must be why the talons only grabbed air. Curses!


Better luck next time!

331 OldLineTexan  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:49:21pm

re: #314 unrealizedviewpoint

Haven't been there in 10 years. Since they started serving midget chickens.

I love that pigeon from Popeye's.

/not really

Fried chicken is good for the soul. Don't eat it every day, or your soul will be so good it'll up and go home. ;)

332 rawmuse  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:49:39pm

re: #324 WF Bach

You all ever hear any of the Col. Sanders commercial out-takes and bloopers?
Frikkin' hysterical funny. I got 'em somewhere.

Also the Orson Welles ones from the frozen seafood products.

333 Outrider  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:49:49pm

re: #80 buzzsawmonkey

This is in a spinoff link, but deserves to be seen on the main threads: a Huffpo "refutation of 30 lies about Obama and Ayers."

The piece includes this blatant howler, among many others:


How about Bill's girlfriend Diana Oughton, and two others, who were working on an antipersonnel bomb of Bill's own design?

LIE: "Bill Ayers is an unrepentant terrorist."
TRUTH: Bill Ayers is not, and apparently never was, a terrorist. The conventional definition of a terrorist is someone who tries to kill innocent people for political purposes. As Factcheck.org noted, In fact, nobody died as a result of bombings in which Ayers said he participated as part of the Weather Underground.


Using that rational; their anger at President Bush and referring to him and VP Cheney as criminals come from what source?

334 jwb7605  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:49:56pm

Moonbat thread to starboard!
Manning station in 3...2...1

335 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:50:05pm

re: #317 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

As I tell my coworkers, the day they make a food which guarantees I'll live forever, I'm there. Until then, deliciousness is the primary factor to my diet.

Dittos....my BF, a ret Marine, eats to live. I eat for pleasure. He thinks it's a hoot and doesn't get it at all.

Of course, he ate the raw heart of a chicken he ripped open for his troops as an example...so I can see where he gets his "I eat for sustenance" thing.

Still, he love to watch, and listen, to me eat a really good desert.

336 OldLineTexan  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:50:36pm

re: #316 WF Bach

They don't have that in Canada, you know. Not even sure if they have it in northern US markets.

I can only assume good maps show these areas as unknown, dangerous, black spots...

337 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:50:44pm

re: #320 OldLineTexan

No, not unless you have a magic wand. It's OK, all is quiet on the Western Front at the moment.


Well, don't hesitate to call me if you need anything. Love ya!

338 Archimedes  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:50:50pm

re: #328 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Ever try reading the "Sword of Truth" series? Ayn Rand meets Lord of the Rings. Nothing quiet like a full infantry charge thru a bunch of empty-headed "peace at all costs" human shields.

They are making it into a television series. Check out the trailer here: [Link: www.terrygoodkind.net...]

339 Racer X  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:50:51pm

re: #322 MandyManners

When someone calls you a racist, return the favor and call them a pedophile. Neither accusation holds water without facts. Make them explain their position.

340 rightymouse  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:50:54pm

re: #326 unrealizedviewpoint

I recently picked up Atlas Shrugged on CD. It's easier when someone else does the work. :)

my 3000 post


Congrats on the 3000!

You'll see what I mean with what seems like endless monologues.

341 Archimedes  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:51:28pm

re: #329 Archimedes

Frank is obviously guilty, he's pulled out that big epithet.

that = THE

342 lifeofthemind  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:53:21pm

re: #304 WF Bach

I need fresher material, you guys know all my punchlines :(

Everybody wants to get into the act.

The most dangerous member in the armed forces is the Ensign who says "Gee, I have an idea."

343 USCMSNE  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:53:33pm

re: #321 sparrowlake

Neither the Good or the Bad - rather, it would be THE UGLY.

That's not fair, to reference Sergio Leone with Barney Frank. Sergio was never enlightened enough to be compared to the honorable Mr. Franks. You should apologize immediately and say ten Hail Michelles as penance.

344 eon  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:53:35pm

re: #310 rightymouse

I did read 'Atlas Shrugged' but had a hard time with it because she took forever to get to the point in some of the monologues and I didn't care for the personalities of some of the characters.

But I do understand the mentality of the left. Was a Democrat until 9-11. Not a moonbat, mind you, but enough of a Dem to understand the way they think. I still have really loopy moonbats in my family.

I came from a Democrat family, too. 1970s era, hardcore "social reformer" types, union organizers, very anti-war, thought Apollo was a waste of money ("We have things we need to do down heeerre"), hated Nixon, thought JFK was the Second Coming (sure he was killed by the CIA), etc.

When I saw Hueys being pushed off the decks of U.S. carriers and others being ditched next to them with the pilots jumping clear to escape the North Vietnamese Army when Saigon fell, and knew that there were celebrations going on in certain Democratic offices in D.C., I became a Republican. A year before I was old enough to register and vote.

When asked, I said, "I make it a policy not to get in bed with anybody more deranged than I am."

/relations have never forgiven me to this day. Tough s**t.

cheers

eon

345 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:54:23pm

re: #338 Archimedes

They are making it into a television series. Check out the trailer here: [Link: www.terrygoodkind.net...]

Sweet. I just hope they dont manage to weed out the message.

346 Florida Lady  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:55:01pm

re: #243 rightymouse

Another stupid moment here . . . How do I upload an avatar?

/technologically challenged, but learning a lot here at LGF!

347 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:55:23pm

re: #221 stuiec

As Alouette points out at #157 above, the Fruit of the Poisoned Tree doctrine is not really a healthy way to punish police or prosecutorial misconduct. It's hard to see how it's right to punish an official by letting a criminal loose to prey on society.

It's there to prevent judicial misconduct. Laws are only good in a free society IF they apply equally to everyone. Cops, district attorneys and judges are humans, just like criminals. They are subject to the exact same temptations as criminals are. There is no greater form of despotism then a legal system where it's officers are free to commit any crime in the pursuit of their version of justice.

The problem is that often what constitutes "Fruit of the Poisoned Tree" technically isn't a criminal action. It's a procedural issue that may or may not lead to a jury reaching an incorrect conclusion. By it's very nature "Fruit of the Poisoned Tree" is prejudicial information.

Information of a factual nature that may not actually have any bearing on the criminal matter being adjudicated. Basically it is what is known as a "Pro emptor hoc" logic fallacy. Because of this, therefore this.

Example: subject (A) was arrested and convicted in 1984 for armed robbery. A armed robbery occurred in 2008 and subject (A) was arrested as a subject of interest in this robbery. By entering the evidence the jury becomes prejudiced against subject (A) regardless of whether there is actually sufficient evidence in the current case to actually link him to the case.

When considering the full context of this issue one must keep in mind the framers ideological stance on jurisprudence. Having suffered under the oppressive rule of tyrants the founding fathers considered it a greater harm to justice that an innocent individual be wrongfully convicted of any criminal charge than it was for a guilty individual to be set free.

Hence the legal procedure know as "Fruit of the Poisoned Tree". It's purpose and intention is to place limitations on the tactics that could be applied by officers of the judicial system that might otherwise result in a miscarriage of justice.

348 Colin Nelson  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:55:34pm

Pat Condell = Bravo Zulu

"Rule Britannia!
Britannia rules the waves.
Britons never, never, never shall be slaves."

Then repeat 'till all the beer is gone.

349 musicman  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:56:13pm

Frank's racist comment is nothing more than, "Hey, look over there...a distraction."

350 Outrider  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:57:04pm

re: #268 MacGiolaPhadraig

"We're paratroopers, Lieutenant. We're supposed to be surrounded."
Lt. Richard Winters

HUAH!. Airborne!

351 eon  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:57:09pm

re: #338 Archimedes

They are making it into a television series. Check out the trailer here: [Link: www.terrygoodkind.net...]

I love that series. I have most of them.

If they do the TV series right, I may go back to being a boob-tube boob.

/to a certain extent......

cheers

eon

352 OldLineTexan  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:57:09pm

re: #337 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Thank you.

353 SummerSong  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:58:11pm

re: #225 buzzsawmonkey

Forgive the post-pimping, but for those of you looking for words to ply your undecided friends and relatives with, I offer these two posts from the prior thread.

Thanks for sharing that!

354 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:59:03pm

re: #340 rightymouse

Congrats on the 3000!

You'll see what I mean with what seems like endless monologues.

I'm right up to the end almost (two discs to go). I'm thoroughly enjoying it much more then the read years ago.

355 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:59:11pm

Damn it... This thread is moving to fast for me....

356 WF Bach  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 5:59:44pm

re: #332 rawmuse

You all ever hear any of the Col. Sanders commercial out-takes and bloopers?
Frikkin' hysterical funny. I got 'em somewhere.

Also the Orson Welles ones from the frozen seafood products.

Would they be on YouTube?

357 lummox  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 6:00:49pm

Barney Frank collapses in his office and is rushed to the hospital. Several hours later, after coming to, he inquires...
"What happened? Am I going to be OK?

"Nothing to worry about." replies the doctor. " It's just exhaustion from trying to cover up your part in the scandal. We'll have you back on your knees in a day or two".

358 WF Bach  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 6:01:21pm

re: #336 OldLineTexan

I can only assume good maps show these areas as unknown, dangerous, black spots...

LOL!

359 rawmuse  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 6:02:38pm

re: #356 WF Bach

Would they be on YouTube?

I'll check. If not, I'll digitize them and upload them. One of these days...
Some may not be appropriate due to some rough (but funny) language.

360 Wishing  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 6:20:45pm

re: #290 eon

Actually, I'd never heard of it until now. Thanks for the link!

cheers

eon

lol as i scrolled down the article and came to the picture I thought it was a young Bill Clinton lolol

361 Tamron  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 6:21:32pm

re: #110 Sharmuta

First of all- fathers and mosques have a lot to do with making sure young men and boys are taught this.

Second- this is taught to girls and young women through family conditioning. Children see their mothers being beaten for daring to rebel, and what do you think is being learned by the kids watching this? Both the boys and the girls?


The hate starts when they're still in the cradle:

CUTE 3-YEAR-OLD GIRL YEARNS TO KILL INFIDELS

11-YEAR-OLD MUSLIM GIRL WANTS TO BECOME A SHAHID (Suicide Bomber)

MUSLIM MOTHER CELEBRATES HER SON'S SUICIDE MISSION.

SAUDI PROFESSOR CALLS FOR POSITIVE HATRED OF CHRISTIANS

SAUDI DOCTOR EXPLAINS WIFE BEATING

362 cincinnati_kid37  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 6:22:54pm

Video is gone already

363 jopa416  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 6:22:56pm

Speaking Truth to Power !

364 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 7:03:29pm

Look for his videos on LiveLeak, they tend to stick around longer. And folks, the Saudis are foreign, not crazy. There is a difference.

365 Scion9  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 7:25:05pm

re: #44 unrealizedviewpoint

It creeps me out, but I'm prejudiced. One need ask an agnostic or atheist if it creeps them out.

I'm an atheist, and it's creepy.

366 talon_262  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 7:30:21pm

Damn, Pat was on fire with this one...his atheism aside, I think I have a mancrush on him hearing him speak of the need to get and keep Islam out of government!

Go, Pat, go!

367 Scion9  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 7:36:39pm

re: #361 Tamron


ILLITERACY is their biggest drawback and that is their absolute downfall,

I'm not quite sure I agree with that one. There is a massive number of 'True Believer' Muslims, Qu'ranic literalists, that don't actually know what the Qu'ran says. Literacy would likely just make them more radical, not less.

368 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:08:05pm
369 Age Of Freedom  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:31:36pm

Flawless video, except for me, right around the 2:01 minute, is where I first time ever disagree with Pat Condell.

"A twisted maligned mutation of Islam"; I hope he realizes that Wahabism is a mere channel of Islam.
I think Pat is extremely ambitious about the solution with Islam. I highly doubt Islam can reform itself into a mere spiritual belief system, although I wouldn't mind settling on that account.

Good fucking luck changing the minds of a long time violent culture.

370 rboa  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:08:34pm

Is Pat aware of how much we enjoy and love him at LGF?

371 Hellfire  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:24:54pm

Man this dude is becoming my favorite Brit.

372 uptight  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:16:04pm

For Islam to stand a chance of peaceful reform, it would need to ditch its violent influnces. These are the Koran, the Haddith, the Prophet and the Sunnah (or at least the clergy).

Islam without its clergy, prophet, haddith & koran is rather like the Beatles without John, Paul, George & Ringo - yet there are people who practice Islam and aren't deranged or violent. I guess they must be ignoring a lot.

373 uptight  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:36:02pm

re: #36 Sharmuta

Actually- I hope that more Brits decide to stay and fight for their own country instead of retreating and leaving it to the islamists. Pat is doing his part to rally his countrymen, and I sure hope more Westerners from all across Europe and here in America too stand up and fight the good fight like Pat's doing.

The Conservative Party are 20% ahead in opinion polls.

374 USBeast  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:21:50am

re: #373 uptight

The Conservative Party are 20% ahead in opinion polls.

Fine, but will they be able to overcome the lunatic propaganda that is part and parcel with British bureaucracy and EU media? Will the Home Office suddenly do a 180 and start enforcing British law? Is Britain up to dealing with the wailing, gnashing of teeth and almost certain blood in the streets that will (not may) come from telling Islam in Britain to sit down and shut up?

I'm not happy about it, but there is no way that dealing with Islam will not get seriously ugly.

375 rorschach  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:36:58am

Pat, I disagree with the saudi mullah.

I think saudi women in burqas should have to cover both eyes.

They'll be like thousands of Cousin Its all banging into each other.

376 RickZ  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:37:39am

The Wahhabi Doctrine is 'a sick, twisted mutation of islam'? Sorry, Pat, but you're way off base there. Until this 'islam is a peaceful religion' politically correct nonsense is put down for good, we are screwed as islam is never a peaceful religion, especially not when it gets control in a society.

377 Sceptic Tank  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:54:52am

Great pick by Charles. Pat understands islam's strength is money.

378 geoffputerbaugh  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 6:24:44am

Some problems with this "news" about Sharia law in Britain. I am posting this message because I just got savaged by some Brits for linking to the LGF posting on the subject. Aside from the usual stupid cries of "fascist," some really good points were brought up.

First, these "sharia courts" are strictly courts of arbitration. They don't even get close to criminal law, but only deal with civil cases, where ALL PARTIES AGREE TO BINDING ARBITRATION.

Second, we do this in the United States all the time. On top of that, a similar set of Jewish arbitration courts has been operating in England for over a century.

So: no, the English are not chopping off the hands of thieves in the Tower of London.

I myself would not have made this decision, since I have a long-standing dislike of the Saudis and their nonsensical claims to "aristocracy" based on nothing but bring born over a bunch of oil. This "dislike" (ahem) only increased after 9/11. And I think that Pat is right in warning that this may well be the first step down the slippery slope.

But -- for the moment -- there is nothing in these Sharia courts which goes against long-standing English tradition.

This posting is mostly for Charles. I think you need to update your original posting.

379 hellosnackbar  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 9:18:20am

Pat Condell the man who puts the "pat" in patriot.
I've yet to see an interview with this man on any mainstream television; despite his fame.(What can they be afraid of?)
Maybe our great helmsman Charles might offer him a video interview for the
entertainment of all the contributors(and lurkers) at this great site.
I don't know his E-mail address but his complete anthology is available @
[Link: www.richarddawkins.net;...] so I guess they'll know.

380 Joel  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 10:21:27am

Wow this guy is fantastic. He gives me hope that not everyone in Britain is a Nancy boy.

381 justadot  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:32:34am

re: #378 geoffputerbaugh

I am posting this message because I just got savaged by some Brits for linking to the LGF posting on the subject.

If that wasn't enough, try linking to this post from Charles from Sept. 14. Or from the cited Times article.

Over the last months, I keep reading statements like the one you mentioned:

They don't even get close to criminal law, but only deal with civil cases, where ALL PARTIES AGREE TO BINDING ARBITRATION.

I don't think that's what Faiz-ul-Aqtab Siddiqi has in mind (emphasis mine):

It has also emerged that tribunal courts have settled six cases of domestic violence between married couples, working in tandem with the police investigations.

Siddiqi said he expected the courts to handle a greater number of “smaller” criminal cases in coming years as more Muslim clients approach them. “All we are doing is regulating community affairs in these cases,” said Siddiqi, chairman of the governing council of the tribunal.

Who's in charge here?
This keeps creeping into other areas of the law, and that should worry them:

Dominic Grieve, the shadow home secretary, said: “If it is true that these tribunals are passing binding decisions in the areas of family and criminal law, I would like to know which courts are enforcing them because I would consider such action unlawful. British law is absolute and must remain so.”

Douglas Murray, the director of the Centre for Social Cohesion, said: “I think it’s appalling. I don’t think arbitration that is done by sharia should ever be endorsed or enforced by the British state.”

Now I have no knowledge if any of these women were coerced into having the tribunal courts handle their domestic violence cases, but given the nature of Islamic attitudes toward women, there should be considerable room for doubt.

You may be well aware of this. If the people you're posting to can shrug all this off, then it's not you that has the problem.


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