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GOP: The Obama Ayers Relationship

Politics | Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 8:20:24 pm PDT

The GOP’s William Ayers portfolio.

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1 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:21:39pm

Thank God the GOP is not going AWOL on us!

2 spidly  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:22:00pm

nothing to see here, move along

3 poopeedoo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:22:37pm

Are they just going to post it on the GOP website or shout it from the roof tops?

4 kynna  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:22:57pm

But Obama was only eight when Ayers did those awful things he's not sorry for and wishes he'd done more of!//

Thanks, GOP. It's about time.

5 DisturbedEma  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:24:19pm

Better now. . .

6 George guy  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:24:43pm

Just keep pounding at the stake until November 4.

7 jonathan1984  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:24:54pm

Fingers crossed that it works. And isn't too late.

8 Van Helsing  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:25:00pm

Ayers deserves the same as Timothy McVeigh. Doesn't matter to me that he was less successful.

*spit*

9 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:25:11pm

This should have been posted in this format months ago. Better late than never, I guess, but with the stakes this high...

10 nightlight  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:25:18pm

CNN is right now reporting on Stanley Kurtz' work.

11 laZardo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:25:24pm

But...Obama was only 8 years old when Ayers was planting bombs! Ayers isn't planting bombs anymore, so he's not a terrorist!

/

12 nightintheruts  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:25:31pm

This is stuff we been screaming for some time now.

They better shout it out loud and long.

And why did johnny mac wait for Palin to start it?

He'd better hammer it home now.

13 captain joe  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:25:35pm

We musn't forget that there is strong evidence that Ayers wrote Obomber's "Dreams" book.

14 mama winger  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:25:37pm

Thanks Charles - I am going to run this off and bring copies of it to my local Repub HQ tomorrow.

Pass em around folks!

15 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:25:44pm

Edgar R. Murrow would be proud.

16 twincitiesgirl  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:25:54pm

A little slow aren't they? How many undecided voters will change their minds if they see this?

17 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:25:58pm
Obama On William Ayers' "A Kind And Just Parent: The Children Of Juvenile Court": "A searing and timely account of the juvenile court system, and the courageous individuals who rescue hope from despair." (Chicago Tribune, 12/21/97)

Yikes! 0bama likes Bomber Billy's ideas on juvenile justice, eh? That's..... disturbing, to say the least.

18 mama winger  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:26:21pm

re: #12 nightintheruts

This is stuff we been screaming for some time now.

They better shout it out loud and long.

And why did johnny mac wait for Palin to start it?

He'd better hammer it home now.

Why did he wait? Three words:

Short attention span


Right before the elction this stuff is dynamite

19 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:27:14pm

HMMM, John McCain was a young boy during WWII, but I can't see him launching his political career in the home of say.....!

20 mama winger  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:27:21pm

If this had come out before the conventions it would be old and forgotten news by now.

this is not McCain's first rodeo.

21 twincitiesgirl  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:27:22pm

re: #14 mama winger

I'll do the same, here's hoping it helps!

22 Racer X  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:27:27pm

re: #13 captain joe

We musn't forget that there is strong evidence that Ayers wrote Obomber's "Dreams" book.

I wouldn't call the evidence "strong".

23 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:27:39pm

Next the RNC needs to nail the democrats for their role in the financial fiasco.

Call the RNC and demand they take action!

24 laZardo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:27:42pm

re: #16 twincitiesgirl

Not many, the memory hole will swallow this if it just keeps trying.

25 mama winger  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:28:08pm

re: #21 twincitiesgirl

I'll do the same, here's hoping it helps!

Great!

We all need to work at fever pitch for the next four weeks - WE CAN DO THIS !

26 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:28:08pm

re: #15 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Edgar R. Murrow would be proud.

Hmmm, is that Edward R Murrow's brother?

27 Cartman  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:28:31pm

I want copies of this. They should be tacked up to every telephone pole in my city.

28 laZardo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:28:32pm

re: #23 Sharmuta

My guess is the impression's already there that it's the Republicans' fault for deregulating the industry to spark the crisis. The Democrats aren't doing that much better though trying to "pick up the pieces."

/note the quotes

29 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:28:56pm
In 1997, Obama Praised Ayers' Book On The Juvenile Justice System.

The title wasn't Bring The Revolution Home: Kill Your Parents, now was it?

30 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:28:59pm

re: #15 Kreuzueber Halbmond

pimf
Edward R. Murrow would be proud, too.

31 nightintheruts  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:29:03pm

re: #17 Sharmuta

Yikes! 0bama likes Bomber Billy's ideas on juvenile justice, eh? That's..... disturbing, to say the least.

see...all we need is to indoctrinate them better like the wonderful 0bamalini youth videos.
Everyone will have a coke and a smile then.

/

32 Bloodnok  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:29:16pm

Sox win!

33 spidly  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:29:32pm

re: #3 poopeedoo

Are they just going to post it on the GOP website or shout it from the roof tops?

it's on ads and in the speeches now
1 hour Hannity on Ayers, Khalidi, Wright. only a blip on Rezco. maybe more to come.

34 stevieray  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:29:45pm

re: #18 mama winger

Why did he wait? Three words:

Short attention span


Right before the election this stuff is dynamite

You're right mama. To many voters, all of this is new.

There is a reason the phrase "October Surprise" exists... this is the best time to let loose the dogs of war.

35 astronmr20  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:29:50pm

I for one am very concerned that the general discontent in this country may lead to a lot of "protest" votes against republicans in general at the polls.


McCain FINALLY alluded to the reasons for our economic mess today. Too little, too late?

36 nightintheruts  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:30:02pm

re: #18 mama winger


yep yep...good point.
Our society has terminal ADD.

37 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:30:06pm

re: #28 laZardo

We don't set the record straight by keeping silent. The RNC has the money to launch an ad campaign to combat this. It helps not only McCain, but Congressional republicans too.

38 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:30:06pm

re: #17 Sharmuta

Yikes! 0bama likes Bomber Billy's ideas on juvenile justice, eh? That's..... disturbing, to say the least.

Doesn't Ayers basically think people shouldn't be imprisoned, ever? Some crazy-ass notion about putting violent offenders out into society for home rehab, for starters (a natural notion for him)?

Like I said, him and his wife should have been taken out back behind the proverbial woodshed decades ago. F-cking psychopath.

39 Hard Right  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:30:16pm

Better late than never

40 mama winger  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:30:33pm

don't wait for the media

don't wait for tv ads

don't wait for the RNC

DO IT
DO IT
DO IT

yourselves - everywhere you go - to whoever you talk to - post it on bulletin boards - be inventive ! talk about it in the grocery store line - at the bank - at the gas station !

CITIZEN ACTION - grassroots ACTION!

go go go go go
that is all

:)

41 anotherindyfilmguy  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:30:42pm

re: #6 George guy

Just keep pounding at the stake until November 4.

Palin slams the stake and blood gushes everywhere all over Palin and the walls etc... McCain steps back into picture.

Palin - How come you're not covered in blood?
McCain - You just have to know where to stand...

42 sngnsgt  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:31:06pm

Hammer time!

43 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:31:11pm

re: #20 mama winger

If this had come out before the conventions it would be old and forgotten news by now.

this is not McCain's first rodeo.

And, as we suspected, McCain was holding back tactically until the bailout bill passed.

44 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:31:14pm

re: #38 Pawn of the Oppressor

0bama endorses Ayers.

45 doppelganglander  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:31:20pm

At my most optimistic, I believe this is the beginning of a carefully orchestrated campaign that will escalate over the coming weeks until we get the real bombshell -- something like Obama giving a speech that would make Rev. Wright proud. Then I get bitchslapped by reality and think, these guys got nothin'. So yeah, kinda bipolar right now.

46 swamprat  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:31:23pm

I have been assured that Obama did not know Ayers when Ayers was planning and planting bombs...so everythings OK.


What would it take to sully this mans reputation? Charles Manson as a godfather to his children? This guy is not teflon coated. This guy is made of smoke.

47 mattm  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:31:44pm

Sox Win!

48 Racer X  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:31:45pm

While John McCain was being brutally tortured in a communist jail cell, Obama was being lectured to by communists, and William Ayers was carrying out communist attacks against the U.S. government.

Why is there still debate on who should lead America?

49 spidly  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:32:39pm

what I would like to have is a good video of Obama/acorn and the subprime crisis in a nutshell to burn and hang on doors around town

50 mama winger  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:32:43pm

re: #48 Racer X

While John McCain was being brutally tortured in a communist jail cell, Obama was being lectured to by communists, and William Ayers was carrying out communist attacks against the U.S. government.

Why is there still debate on who should lead America?

Rinse, repeat, repeat, repeat

tell it to everyone you see on the street

51 Cartman  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:32:44pm

re: #14 mama winger

Thanks Charles - I am going to run this off and bring copies of it to my local Repub HQ tomorrow.

Pass em around folks!

Great suggestion. I just printed 25 of them off, and will copy more tomorrow, as I will be at HQ by early afternoon.

52 astronmr20  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:33:04pm

re: #48 Racer X

While John McCain was being brutally tortured in a communist jail cell, Obama was being lectured to by communists, and William Ayers was carrying out communist attacks against the U.S. government.

Why is there still debate on who should lead America?

This is what concerns me the most. How the f**** did we get here?

53 DisturbedEma  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:33:07pm

Because the One want to have his say. . .

54 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:33:14pm

re: #48 Racer X

While John McCain was being brutally tortured in a communist jail cell, Obama was being lectured to by communists, and William Ayers was carrying out communist attacks against the U.S. government.

Why is there still debate on who should lead America?

Because democrat are communists, not to mention suffering a profound mental illness.

55 Van Helsing  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:33:28pm

re: #48 Racer X

While John McCain was being brutally tortured in a communist jail cell, Obama was being lectured to by communists, and William Ayers was carrying out communist attacks against the U.S. government.

Why is there still debate on who should lead America?

Well said. Very well said.
I hate Illinois communists...

56 lobo91  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:33:46pm

Here's a nice petition you can sign to protest the "McCarthyism" the RNC/McCain campaign is engaging in by smearing telling the truth about Ayers:

Dear friends and colleagues in the field of education,

It seems that the character assassination and slander of Bill Ayers and other people who have known Obama is not about to let up. While an important concern is the dishonesty of this campaign and the slanderous McCarthyism they are using to attack Obama, we also feel an obligation to support our friend and colleague Bill Ayers. Many, many educators have reached out, asking what they could do, seeking a way to weigh in against fear and intimidation. Many of us have been talking and we agree that this one gesture, a joint statement signed by hundreds of hard-working educators, would be a great first step. Such a statement may be distributed through press releases or ads in the future.

57 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:33:49pm

The Repub page unfortunately falls short of illustrating just how sick Ayers is. The world needs to throw away this notion of him being an "educator", like he's some kind of noble, caring person.

A nice little follow-up titled "What kind of person is Bill Ayers, exactly?" with a few quotes from him and his little fork-loving wife (and perhaps a link to "The Weather Underground Tried To Kill My Family"), bookended by quotes of some of Obama's praise for Ayers... That would tie it up nicely.

58 nightintheruts  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:34:52pm

I think the videos showing the congressional black caucus defending Fannie/freddie and the corruption that are on youtube would be dynamite if the public saw them.

Maxine Waters of Ca telling them they must put minorities into houses even though they can't pay for them.
Trashing the republican moderator for even suggesting there was something wrong.

but of course that would be completely racist.

59 doppelganglander  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:35:26pm

re: #56 lobo91

Great! Should I sign it as "Good Will," "Doodad Pro," or asdf jkl;?

60 mama winger  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:35:37pm

CHARLES - Please delete this post if you deem it inappropriate !

Here is a button to wear - get the conversation started !
[Link: www.zazzle.com...]

All proceeds from the sale of this button will be donated directly to the RNC.

61 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:35:46pm

re: #56 lobo91

Here's a nice petition you can sign to protest the "McCarthyism" the RNC/McCain campaign is engaging in by smearing telling the truth about Ayers:

Dr. I.P. Freely, Memphis, TN

62 mattm  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:36:26pm

re: #59 doppelganglander

Sign "Good Will" about 50 times ;)

63 Shiplord kirel  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:36:45pm

It would be the sweetest possible revenge on the Vietnam era traitors if one of their own ended up costing their candidate the presidential election in favor of a former PoW. Payback is long overdue. Please let it happen.

64 Wishing  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:37:12pm

YAY BOSTON!

65 Hard Right  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:37:32pm

re: #61 Dar ul Harb

Dr. I.P. Freely, Memphis, TN

Dick Hurtz, Slide Rock, AZ

66 Racer X  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:37:37pm

re: #52 astronmr20

This is what concerns me the most. How the f**** did we get here?

We got here because people like Ayers and Obama are NOT stupid. The average American is being fooled - and they are falling for this bullshit in droves. The media has swallowed a whole mouthful and they simply cannot spit it back out without looking foolish.

67 JohnAdams  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:37:42pm

re: #48 Racer X

While John McCain was being brutally tortured in a communist jail cell, Obama was being lectured to by communists, and William Ayers was carrying out communist attacks against the U.S. government.

Why is there still debate on who should lead America?

Perfect.

68 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:37:49pm

A parent at the park asked The Kid if he knew anything about this election. He piped up, "He's a Marxist who will tax everyone to death." I fell over laughing in pride.

69 dammad  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:37:50pm

What saddens me is that it really doesn't seem to matter what anyone finds out about Obama. WE all know that he is basically a socialist/communist/uberliberal/redistributionist. ...who will do a LOT of damage to our country; but the Bush haters are so blinded by their disgust with him that they don't care. Their vote is basically anti-Bush. I think Obama will be our next President; and that sickens me. Hopefully those 4 years will go veeery quickly. By the way, I live in Illinois; and for the life of me I cannot understand how ANYONE in this godforsaken state can vote for a democrat. they have messed up this state big time. But I guarantee Durbin will win again, as well as Daley, and probably even Blagojevich when he runs again. A lot of stupid people in Illinois, I tell ya.

70 mama winger  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:38:06pm

re: #68 MandyManners

A parent at the park asked The Kid if he knew anything about this election. He piped up, "He's a Marxist who will tax everyone to death." I fell over laughing in pride.

Hoorah

71 astronmr20  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:38:23pm

I sure hope these polls are bullshit.

72 TheMatrix31  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:38:27pm

I would send that everywhere. Unfortunately, I think to myself how everyone will be so quick to dismiss the information just because it's from the GOP website. Ugh.

73 spidly  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:38:27pm

re: #56 lobo91

Here's a nice petition you can sign to protest the "McCarthyism" the RNC/McCain campaign is engaging in by smearing telling the truth about Ayers:

Ayers, "HEY! Don't associate me with that scum Obama"

74 swamprat  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:38:30pm

This is not the unrepentant terrorist I knew!

75 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:38:38pm

I was talking to a gentleman I know recently. He and some republican buddies were out at a bar, and one of his friends was talking politics rather loudly, he said. He was trying to get his friend to lower his voice because he felt they were in a liberal bar.

I said, "Why? Why should we be quiet? Let them hear us, I'm sick of feeling like I should be ashamed of being a republican."

And that's our problem, folks. We've grown accustomed to being quiet. I say enough. Let them hear us. Speak up, speak out, be loud.

This is America, and it's worth fighting for. Let's roll!

76 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:38:56pm

Wapo reports death threats at Palin rally....
In Fla., Palin Goes for the Rough Stuff as Audience Boos Obama


"And, according to the New York Times, he was a domestic terrorist and part of a group that, quote, 'launched a campaign of bombings that would target the Pentagon and our U.S. Capitol,'" she continued.

"Boooo!" the crowd repeated.

"Kill him!" proposed one man in the audience.

77 nightintheruts  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:38:58pm

re: #46 swamprat

I have been assured that Obama did not know Ayers when Ayers was planning and planting bombs...so everythings OK.


What would it take to sully this mans reputation? Charles Manson as a godfather to his children? This guy is not teflon coated. This guy is made of smoke.


That's the problem. there's nothing in the suit so it's hard to pin anything there. You've not only gotta hit him but the one's holding the strings making him dance.

78 doppelganglander  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:39:01pm

re: #63 Shiplord kirel

It would be the sweetest possible revenge on the Vietnam era traitors if one of their own ended up costing their candidate the presidential election in favor of a former PoW. Payback is long overdue. Please let it happen.

From your mouth to God's ear. I really feel like their full court press this time is a desperate attempt to finally wrest control of the country from the people who actually care about it. Desperate as in, this could be their last chance. If they can't fool Americans with the perfectly engineered Manchurian Candidate, they'll never take over.

79 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:39:04pm

re: #52 astronmr20

This is what concerns me the most. How the f**** did we get here?

We got here because the communists infiltrated first hollyweird, academia and the legal profession. When Senator Joseph R. McCarthy tried to sound the warning our ever patriotic members of the democrat party betrayed him for political gain and his warning was portrayed as a Salem styled witch hunt. Our public schools under the democrat leadership have become nothing more than socialist/communist indoctrination centers for our children.

80 Purple Prose  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:39:12pm

In any other race, the Ayers connection and the Wright connection, would send Mr. Obama to political never neverland. Either people are not listening or people don't care. It is possible that with the apparent economic meltdown combined with media-fueled Obamafever, people just don't care. But I happen to feel the case has just not been strongly enough.

This is a big deal. Obama came out of nowhere, backed by the out-of-the-1920s Chicago machine, with a huge giant scoop of racist separatism (i.e., "Rev." Wright) and a liberal dollop of 60s radical terrorism chic (i.e., "Dr." Ayers).

Mr. Obama has real and long-standing relationships with both Wright and Ayers. Twenty - two decades, a score - years with the good Rev. Wright, who taught black separatism and supremacism, while dolling out "God Damn America," with the Rev. marrying Obama with his Chicagoland "soulmate" and baptizing his two children. Obama didn't know the man was a radical with more than one screw loose? Incomprehensible. Then, a political coming-out party with Ayer and his terrorist wife Bernadine Dohrn, and a long relationship with Ayers in the Annenberg Chicago Challenge, and he doesn't know that Ayers is an unrepentant terrorist? Incomprehensible.

Obama may not himself be a radical, but only if he is nothing, a vacuum, without beliefs he holds on his own and something like a vision. Or he is a radical and espouses what these crazy people believe. Either way, Obama is completely unfit for any office but that of Chicagoland alderman. And, yes, Chicagoland is still pretty much synonymous with gangland.

Obama, if he wins, will be the first gangland president this country has ever had. Oh, the joy!

81 Macker  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:39:39pm

re: #69 dammad

See, there IS a reason why I call that state the Народна& #1103; Республ& #1080;ка Ильиной.

82 lobo91  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:40:20pm

re: #59 doppelganglander

I signed it as Ernesto "Che" Guevara, Ex-Communist.

As in, "This is an ex-parrot!"

83 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:40:41pm

re: #56 lobo91

Here's a nice petition you can sign to protest the "McCarthyism" the RNC/McCain campaign is engaging in by smearing telling the truth about Ayers:

Funny, problem is that McCarthy was RIGHT....................

84 jonathan1984  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:40:43pm

re: #66 Racer X

You give too much credit to the media. They know they're being used, and don't care one bit.

85 looking closely  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:40:44pm

Someone should put up a timeline of Ayers overlapping with Obama.

I think that would be VERY interesting.

86 lifeofthemind  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:40:56pm

Hello, right now the list of 633 endorsements for the Bill Ayers is a heck of a guy petition is not available. I look forward to seeing it.

87 astronmr20  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:41:00pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

Wapo reports death threats at Palin rally....
In Fla., Palin Goes for the Rough Stuff as Audience Boos Obama

A Moby?

88 Wishing  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:41:01pm

re: #72 TheMatrix31

I would send that everywhere. Unfortunately, I think to myself how everyone will be so quick to dismiss the information just because it's from the GOP website. Ugh.

Copy/paste it into your own word processor!

89 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:41:38pm

re: #71 astronmr20

I sure hope these polls are bullshit.


I've been hearing that The One needs to be way up in polls to counteract the Bradley(?) effect. I think that is what it is called.

90 mama winger  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:41:54pm

re: #80 Purple Prose

No one can tell me that Obama had never heard the name of Bernadine Dohrn. She needs to be emphasized every bit as much as Ayers. She is pure evil.

91 3 wood  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:42:29pm

Speaking of strange Obama friends:

Prosecutors talking to Rezko, seek to delay sentencing

Federal prosecutors have asked a judge to indefinitely postpone Tony Rezko’s sentencing on corruption charges — admitting for the first time they are undergoing discussions with the political fund-raiser.

In a motion filed today, Assistant U.S. Attorney Reid Schar asked a federal judge to strike the Oct. 28 date as prosecutors continue discussions with Rezko that could affect his sentence. Schar asked for a status hearing in the case for sometime in December.

The Sun-Times first reported Rezko's possible cooperation in August.

The delay could be good news for Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama since a sentencing just days before the election would likely generate unfavorable publicity about his former fund-raiser.

"The parties agree that the Oct. 28, 2008, sentencing date, as well as dates related to sentencing filings should be stricken while the parties engage in discussions that could affect their sentencing postures," Schar wrote.

In other news, don't look now but the the Asian markets are getting hammered again tonight. The Nikkei is down another 324 as I write this.

Hang on to your shorts tomorrow.

92 spidly  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:43:16pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

Wapo reports death threats at Palin rally....
In Fla., Palin Goes for the Rough Stuff as Audience Boos Obama

think the WaPo reporter was channeling Mel Brooks
I say we scalp him!
Then we tattoo him!
Then we hang him!
And then we kill him!

93 Karridine  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:43:23pm

The tide changes....

94 looking closely  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:43:24pm

re: #89 newsjunkie_ky

I've been hearing that The One needs to be way up in polls to counteract the Bradley(?) effect. I think that is what it is called.

Primer on the Bradley effect.

In short, persons not inclined to vote for a particular Black candidate may lie about their preference in a poll to avoid appearing racist.

95 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:43:45pm

After hearing all the crap on tv about the early voting for Obama, I have been checking Ohio newspapers. Guess that huge early voter block for Obama didn't actually turn out like they thought ............ sure would not know it by all the msm in the tank for The One. It just makes me question the polls even more:

[Link: www.toledoblade.com...]

96 Billy Hank  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:43:51pm

As the campaign closes down the backstretch taking the clubhouse turn into October, Obama's murky, indefinite past and shady associations will give thoughtful Americans pause.

He has no real record. He votes "present." what positions he has taken have been sufficient to cast him as the most liberal Senator, out pacing even declared Socialist Sanders. Obama declares himself one who can heal the divisions in our society yet at every turn, Obama and his Bots have shouted down and tried to shut down any critical statements.

Obama and his Bots appear to have engaged in massive campaign financing fraud and there is strong evidence that vote fraud will play a prominent role in the final days.

Obama seeks to become the 44th President. One potential literary antecedent is Mark Twain's novella, "The Mysterious Stranger." [Link: www.shsu.edu...]

A mysterious stranger arrives in a small Austrian town in 1590. Little is known about him, but he seems to be performing wonderful feats. The townsfolk, particularly the young children are smitten with him. The stranger's name is revealed to be simply "44." As the story develops, it turns out that "44" is the Devil himself. As Old Scratch is wont to do, all manner of evil befalls the town. Death and destruction reign.

If you are a thinking American, learn more about this mysterious stranger who seeks to become our 44th President. Where do his thoughts and ambitions fall along the line of those who have gone before. Where do his allegiances lie? To the U.S. and its 50 states or to some indeterminate group of 57 states? Is his allegiance to Americans or to an amorphous world citizen?

I'd say the evidence so far shows more parallels to Twain's story than the fiction Obama has peddled so far.

97 Russkilitlover  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:43:56pm

I posted number 1060 on the DT. Shucks! 1066 is a number that keeps coming up for me! Anyway, my post, which is herein being re-posted, was:

All those white people in CARSON? Yeah, that's something you see every day! //////////

98 mama winger  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:43:58pm

re: #91 3 wood

I have no shorts. I gave them to the Cubs. then they turned around and gave them to the White Sox.

99 Adina in Judea  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:44:19pm

Obama has the kinds of associations that would make him ineligible for a security clearance if he wasn't a U.S. Senator running for President.

Someone who doesn't qualify for a security clearance shouldn't be allowed to run for the highest political office in the land.

100 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:44:26pm

re: #87 astronmr20

I seriously doubt it ever happened. There were hundreds of reporters there with cameras running. Nobody else heard it and I can almost guarantee there no tape of it. It's fiction to incite the progressive masses.

101 astronmr20  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:44:51pm

re: #92 spidly

think the WaPo reporter was channeling Mel Brooks
I say we scalp him!
Then we tattoo him!
Then we hang him!
And then we kill him!

Pee wee herman?

(I say we let him go!)

102 West Coast Freedom  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:44:54pm
103 Occasional Reader  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:45:08pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

"Kill him!" proposed one man in the audience.

There's a Moby in every crowd.

104 mama winger  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:45:21pm

re: #99 Adina in Judea

Someone who doesn't qualify for a security clearance shouldn't be allowed to run for the highest political office in the land.

that would seem rather basic, wouldn't it?

If we were not living in bizarro world

105 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:45:23pm

re: #82 lobo91

I signed it as Ernesto "Che" Guevara, Ex-Communist.

As in, "This is an ex-parrot!"

Hey, and it's almost Dead Che day.

October 9.

106 bcgirl  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:45:40pm

you know, I think this pretty much sums it up!
at least for rational thinking, (or in my case mostly rational and thinking-depends ya know) person!;-)
re: #48 Racer X

While John McCain was being brutally tortured in a communist jail cell, Obama was being lectured to by communists, and William Ayers was carrying out communist attacks against the U.S. government.

Why is there still debate on who should lead America?

107 Cartman  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:45:44pm

re: #91 3 wood


Hang on to your shorts tomorrow.

I called my broker today and told him to just come over and shoot me once all my holdings are gone.

/just kidding...sort of

108 Russkilitlover  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:46:12pm

re: #91 3 wood

How's your job search going? I had four interviews with a company, which then slammed the door and said, "no thanks." Dang! I felt good after every interview. Back to the drawing board.

109 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:46:15pm

re: #91 3 wood

Speaking of strange Obama friends:

Prosecutors talking to Rezko, seek to delay sentencing

In other news, don't look now but the the Asian markets are getting hammered again tonight. The Nikkei is down another 324 as I write this.

Hang on to your shorts tomorrow.

Yes, I'm loving this. Even if Obama doesn't get hit directly by something like this anything that shines light on the Illinois Democrook machine is very welcome. It shows the cesspool Obama comes from. Put that to voters and they'll vote for our reformers.

110 Opilio  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:46:16pm

re: #81 Macker

See, there IS a reason why I call that state the Народ ная Респу блика Ильин ой.


Loosely (babelfish) translated:

  People to of the speck of light of O

111 spidly  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:46:19pm

re: #95 JacksonTn

After hearing all the crap on tv about the early voting for Obama, I have been checking Ohio newspapers. Guess that huge early voter block for Obama didn't actually turn out like they thought ............ sure would not know it by all the msm in the tank for The One. It just makes me question the polls even more:

[Link: www.toledoblade.com...]

I still don't understand why there are no Obama Signs in my neighborhood. Given the "diversity" ya think there'd be a ton and a half. this place was filthy with Kerry signs

112 jake341  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:47:42pm

re: #56 lobo91

Holden MacGroyne. I just love the classics.

113 Shiplord kirel  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:47:42pm

re: #105 Dar ul Harb

Hey, and it's almost Dead Che day.

October 9.

Eegad! I signed as "Dr. Ernesto Guevara" with "Hell" as affiliation. I also signed as "Dr. Joseph Goebbels" of the "Activist Media Centre." (Titles
and British spelling impress the hell out of these educrat communards.)

114 mama winger  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:47:55pm

re: #111 spidly

I still don't understand why there are no Obama Signs in my neighborhood. Given the "diversity" ya think there'd be a ton and a half. this place was filthy with Kerry signs

I can honestly say I have not seen one Obama sign yet in my town. I saw one Obama bumper sticker.

I still see some Kerry stickers.

115 see bs  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:47:59pm

But hey don't question his patriotism! /

116 The Shadow Do  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:47:59pm

re: #91 3 wood

Speaking of strange Obama friends:

Prosecutors talking to Rezko, seek to delay sentencing

In other news, don't look now but the the Asian markets are getting hammered again tonight. The Nikkei is down another 324 as I write this.

Hang on to your shorts tomorrow.

Just guessing, but it looks like they do not yet have the good on Obama. At least not enough to prosecute.

117 arethusa  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:48:11pm

re: #41 anotherindyfilmguy

Palin slams the stake and blood gushes everywhere all over Palin and the walls etc... McCain steps back into picture.

I could see Sarah Palin as Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

118 krycek  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:48:18pm

Obama is going to crack in tomorrow night's debate. You heard it here first.

He will look like the junior senator man-child that he is. Lets hit him with the facts and question his zero accomplishments. Speak directly to him. Don't let him nuance. He will get flustered. Point it out when he doesn't give direct answers.

We know his game. He's a one-trick phony. Non-stop Bush bashing with "hope and change" as a veneer.

119 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:48:30pm

I find it interesting that the Brits have put together the best possible summary of 0bama so far.

"Talented. Identity issues. Doesn't stand for anything. Nobody knows who he is. Votes liberal. Got picked for the Presidency out of nowhere. Will be all Progressive-y if he gets in (and we in the UK love that shit)."

Obama in unfiltered summary

120 Racer X  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:48:40pm

re: #105 Dar ul Harb

Hey, and it's almost Dead Che day.

October 9.

Can I make this my avatar?

121 LEGION  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:48:52pm

Ayers, Wright, Rezko- yadda yadda yadda- all old news to us LGF's. Maybe the donkeys are right about the majority of the country being blissful idiots who need to be lead around by the nose. Democracy is hard work- and there are too many lazy bums out there. Maybe the financial crisis will bring them out of their stupor. Unfortunately the MSM is telling them its the Repubs fault and they are believing them. Un-fracking-believable.

122 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:49:18pm

re: #111 spidly

I still don't understand why there are no Obama Signs in my neighborhood. Given the "diversity" ya think there'd be a ton and a half. this place was filthy with Kerry signs

All those racist Democrats, I guess. Same here. The support for 0bama is thus far underwhelming, based upon what I've seen.

('Course, the support for McCain isn't that much better, just to look at it.)

123 bcgirl  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:49:20pm

i see way to many obamma signs around my neighborhood (paper route that is more than 70 miles of area) for my liking, starting to see more McCain/Palin though, thank GOD!

124 Florida Lady  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:49:26pm

re: #10 nightlight

CNN is right now reporting on Stanley Kurtz' work.

Is the MSM just paying lip service to all this? Or does any of this have actual legs with them?

125 mattm  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:49:36pm

re: #114 mama winger

I can honestly say I have not seen one Obama sign yet in my town. I saw one Obama bumper sticker.

I still see some Kerry stickers.

I go to school in Western MA and have only seen less than a dozen total. This includes one house with about 3.

126 Macker  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:50:01pm

re: #110 Opilio

Loosely (babelfish) translated:

  People to of the speck of light of O

Put that back in, I get this: Люди к пылинке света о.
Question for Charles and/or Stinky: How come when Cyrillic characters are input, there are spaces displayed?

127 Metal Man  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:50:53pm

re: #82 lobo91

I signed it as Ernesto "Che" Guevara, Ex-Communist.

As in, "This is an ex-parrot!"

I signed as Simon Phoenix the bomber in Demolition man. That was last night and there has been no new names posted since.

128 doppelganglander  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:50:55pm

re: #85 looking closely

Someone should put up a timeline of Ayers overlapping with Obama.

I think that would be VERY interesting.

It is very interesting. For example, did you know, while Obama was attending Columbia University, Bill Ayers was working on a master's degree at the nearby Bank Street School of Education? Later, Obama moved to Ayers' hometown of Chicago to become a street agitator -- oops, sorry, community organizer. The summer after Obama's first year at Harvard Law, he returned to Chicago as a summer associate at Sidley Austin, where Ayers' wife Bernardine Dohrn was employed from 1984-88. (The summer in question would be 1989.) The head of the firm at the time was a close friend of Ayers' father, Thomas Ayers.

I admit that these are just very suggestive coincidences at this point, but then again, has anyone bothered to look into it? IMHO, the idea that Obama never met Ayers until 1995 is just ludicrous.

129 astronmr20  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:51:15pm

re: #126 Macker

Put that back in, I get this: Люди к пылин ке света о.
Question for Charles and/or Stinky: How come when Cyrillic characters are input, there are spaces displayed?

Stinky is not the one to ask. You have to put in your question to "Comrade Stinkinski."

130 mama winger  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:51:17pm

I know that some areas of Wisconsin still have not received yard signs for McCain. They are beginning to be supplied to some of the rural areas, but as of this morning no supplies had come into Milwaukee. Shortage of funds I think

DONATE ! !

131 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:51:27pm

re: #121 LEGION

Ayers, Wright, Rezko- yadda yadda yadda- all old news to us LGF's. Maybe the donkeys are right about the majority of the country being blissful idiots who need to be lead around by the nose. Democracy is hard work- and there are too many lazy bums out there. Maybe the financial crisis will bring them out of their stupor. Unfortunately the MSM is telling them its the Repubs fault and they are believing them. Un-fracking-believable.

That's why we need to call the RNC and demand they set the record straight. Tell them they'll get no more money from us if they continue to let the democrats lie about our party- enough is enough.

Because if the RNC isn't going to fight for the party, who is?!

132 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:52:34pm

re: #127 Metal Man

Need L. Dick, Petaluma, CA

133 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:52:36pm

re: #121 LEGION

Ayers, Wright, Rezko- yadda yadda yadda- all old news to us LGF's. Maybe the donkeys are right about the majority of the country being blissful idiots who need to be lead around by the nose. Democracy is hard work- and there are too many lazy bums out there. Maybe the financial crisis will bring them out of their stupor. Unfortunately the MSM is telling them its the Repubs fault and they are believing them. Un-fracking-believable.

"Every nation has the government it deserves"

Ironic that people who are so SMART are going to vote for a SMART guy because of their FEELINGS.

Go ahead, let's put him in there. "Black people" will get "one of theirs" in the driver's seat, and liberal Dems will get their "smart guy", and the HopeyChangies will get their Mocha Messiah, and...

And what? Jimmy Carter 2.0? If he wins, I'll just have to turn off my TV for the next two years, diversify my savings, buy ammo, and hope nobody I care about gets nuked.

Ain't nobody up there gonna shit rainbows into our wallets, no matter how hard they wish it.

134 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:54:03pm

re: #116 The Shadow Do

Just guessing, but it looks like they do not yet have the good on Obama. At least not enough to prosecute.

We don't need enough to prosecute. All we need is enough to get the voters enraged by his machine. A major corruption scandal in the Chicago machine right before an election lets us pile more bad associations onto Obama. We load him up with his friends until he breaks. And here in Cook County, I hope to use it to get Tony Peraica elected as State's Attorney. I'm hoping to burn Obama right in his own backyard.

135 Wishing  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:54:05pm

Sir Nigel detects a potential clash between Downing Street and an Obama administration over Iran.
"If Obama wins, we will need to consider with him the articulation between (a) his desire for 'unconditional' dialogue with Iran and (b) our and the [United Nations Security Council]'s requirement of prior suspension of enrichment before the nuclear negotiations proper can begin."

Tsk tsk, didn't Joe tell Sir Nigel that the O never ever said such a thing?

136 dbe928  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:54:08pm

Things are slowly, slowly starting to unravel but the MSM still is doing its job. Since they are herd animals, maybe now that the NY Slimes printed something on Obama and Ayers, even though it was a puff piece, other journalists will start to smell a little blood and go further. Maybe not, though. I like the # 44 story from Mark Twain, very interesting.

137 Shiplord kirel  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:54:08pm

re: #82 lobo91

re: #105 Dar ul Harb

I've posted this before, but it might be a good time for a re-up:

Hunting Down Che Guevara: The COIN Campaign of Nancahuazu
This is the story of Che Guevara's demise from a point of view seldom if ever seen in the English language media: That of the Bolivian soldiers and airmen who actually hunted down and liquidated the terrorist icon.

138 mama winger  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:54:11pm

I was listening to one of Wisconsin's RNC high-up guys this morning and he said the reason we are not seeing large numbers of ads is simply

money

Obama opted out of campaign financing - McCain did not. We are at a disadvantage here. Donate to the RNC so they can get ads on the air!

Donate to the PACS as well - the 527's

Money is needed - TV is not free

139 doppelganglander  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:54:14pm

re: #118 krycek

Obama is going to crack in tomorrow night's debate. You heard it here first.

He will look like the junior senator man-child that he is. Lets hit him with the facts and question his zero accomplishments. Speak directly to him. Don't let him nuance. He will get flustered. Point it out when he doesn't give direct answers.

We know his game. He's a one-trick phony. Non-stop Bush bashing with "hope and change" as a veneer.

If you'd been at my house you would have heard it for the last month. GMTA.

140 astronmr20  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:54:38pm
Ain't nobody up there gonna shit rainbows into our wallets

Rotating title.

141 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:54:59pm

I think the Obama-Ayers bit has become academic, at this point.

Only the economy matters, now. It is the rock hurtling toward the political planet. Other issues are merely clouds.

Don't get me wrong: Ayers is wicked and Obama is dastardly for courting with him. I'm just not sure the populace cares so much, at the moment.

142 Russkilitlover  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:55:12pm

re: #140 astronmr20

Rotating title.

Seconded!

143 The Shadow Do  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:55:16pm

re: #127 Metal Man

I signed as Simon Phoenix the bomber in Demolition man. That was last night and there has been no new names posted since.

Anybody tried Mohammad Atta yet?
Ethel Rosenberg?
Horatio Hornblower?

144 bcgirl  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:55:34pm

i hope that McCain will NOT let obamma butt in while he is speaking, like the last time,, it will be ok to get a little mad Senator, controlled and calm just like you used to. PLEASE Senator -do not let this no experience except crooked, liar - hijack our country !

re: #118 krycek

Obama is going to crack in tomorrow night's debate. You heard it here first.

He will look like the junior senator man-child that he is. Lets hit him with the facts and question his zero accomplishments. Speak directly to him. Don't let him nuance. He will get flustered. Point it out when he doesn't give direct answers.

We know his game. He's a one-trick phony. Non-stop Bush bashing with "hope and change" as a veneer.

145 mama winger  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:55:48pm

re: #141 Cognito

I think the Obama-Ayers bit has become academic, at this point.

Only the economy matters, now. It is the rock hurtling toward the political planet. Other issues are merely clouds.

Don't get me wrong: Ayers is wicked and Obama is dastardly for courting with him. I'm just not sure the populace cares so much, at the moment.

You are wrong.

You are living inside . I live on the outside. You are wrong. simply wrong.

146 Hard Right  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:55:50pm

re: #141 Cognito

I think the Obama-Ayers bit has become academic, at this point.

Only the economy matters, now. It is the rock hurtling toward the political planet. Other issues are merely clouds.

Don't get me wrong: Ayers is wicked and Obama is dastardly for courting with him. I'm just not sure the populace cares so much, at the moment.

Hence the need to forcefully point out his FM/FM connections etc.

147 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:56:20pm

re: #145 mama winger

You are wrong.

You are living inside . I live on the outside. You are wrong. simply wrong.

Living inside what, Mama Winger? America?

148 spidly  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:56:36pm

re: #127 Metal Man

I signed as Simon Phoenix the bomber in Demolition man. That was last night and there has been no new names posted since.

timothy mcveigh
bloodthirsty overprivaleged malcontent ayers fan pac

149 mama winger  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:56:52pm

Normal Americans do not want their President hanging out with guys who blew up buildings and killed cops.

wrong
wrong
wrong

150 doppelganglander  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:57:02pm

re: #141 Cognito

I think the Obama-Ayers bit has become academic, at this point.

Only the economy matters, now. It is the rock hurtling toward the political planet. Other issues are merely clouds.

Don't get me wrong: Ayers is wicked and Obama is dastardly for courting with him. I'm just not sure the populace cares so much, at the moment.

They don't care because they don't know. Sure, it's complicated, but the campaign consultants get paid the big bucks to boil this stuff down to 30 or 60-second ads, with small words and big pictures. Plus, you've got Obama the beneficiary of the largesse of Fannie and Freddie. There's plenty of slime to go around.

151 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:57:06pm

re: #146 Hard Right

Hence the need to forcefully point out his FM/FM connections etc.

Exactly. He and conspirators Barney Frank and Chuck Schumer. Et al.

152 astronmr20  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:57:07pm

re: #145 mama winger

You are wrong.

You are living inside . I live on the outside. You are wrong. simply wrong.

...I hope you are right!

Something tells me this may come down to planting enough "doubt" into people just before they go to pull the lever for 0.

153 The Shadow Do  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:57:17pm

re: #134 Dark_Falcon

We don't need enough to prosecute. All we need is enough to get the voters enraged by his machine. A major corruption scandal in the Chicago machine right before an election lets us pile more bad associations onto Obama. We load him up with his friends until he breaks. And here in Cook County, I hope to use it to get Tony Peraica elected as State's Attorney. I'm hoping to burn Obama right in his own backyard.

Better work hard and work fast!

154 Russkilitlover  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:57:23pm

re: #141 Cognito

. I'm just not sure the populace cares so much, at the moment.

The populace MUST care if they don't want the coming years to be disastrous.

155 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:57:46pm

re: #144 bcgirl

i hope that McCain will NOT let obamma butt in while he is speaking, like the last time,, it will be ok to get a little mad Senator, controlled and calm just like you used to. PLEASE Senator -do not let this no experience except crooked, liar - hijack our country !

"John. John. That's not true John."

"The hell it isn't, SENATOR Obama. Go ahead, tell me how I'm wrong. Divert from your memorized speech. You don't need a telepromter if you know the truth so well, right? Go ahead. I'm waiting."

*tap tap tap*

156 mama winger  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:57:58pm

re: #147 Cognito

Living inside what, Mama Winger? America?

You are living inside the media. I am living about as outside the media as it gets.

I live where Sarah lives. This is how we think.

157 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:58:05pm

re: #147 Cognito

Living inside what, Mama Winger? America?

Associations always matter, Cognito. Ayers helps clarify what Obama will do on the economy.

158 astronmr20  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:58:19pm

When is that debate? Thursday?

159 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:58:20pm

re: #143 The Shadow Do

Khalid Sheik Mohammed?
Mohammed Atef?
Dirka Dirka Mohammed Jihad?
Mohammed Mohammed Mohammed Eggs Bacon and Mohammed?
Mohammed Georgebushes?

160 DeafDog  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:58:20pm

re: #121 LEGION

Ayers, Wright, Rezko- yadda yadda yadda- all old news to us LGF's. Maybe the donkeys are right about the majority of the country being blissful idiots who need to be lead around by the nose. Democracy is hard work- and there are too many lazy bums out there. Maybe the financial crisis will bring them out of their stupor. Unfortunately the MSM is telling them its the Repubs fault and they are believing them. Un-fracking-believable.

let's also not forget to mention that Obamba is an admitted Cocaine user....we are not sure when he quit (he's sketchy on that detail, but it was sometimes in his twentys). Can that issue be put back on the table? I think folks need to know.

161 Russkilitlover  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:58:35pm

re: #147 Cognito

Living inside what, Mama Winger? America?

I think she means living inside the media bubble that is SO far removed from America it's sickening.

162 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:58:36pm

re: #103 Occasional Reader

It creative writing. Notice that every quote in that article is on tape and was reported by everybody else except for the 'kill him" quote. Nobody else heard it or reported it and it's not on tape. If this was true it would be a huge story and would almost certainly sink McCain's campaign. It would have been the headline instead of buried in the story. It's complete bullshit.

163 Outrider  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:59:27pm

re: #56 lobo91

Here's a nice petition you can sign to protest the "McCarthyism" the RNC/McCain campaign is engaging in by smearing telling the truth about Ayers:

Dear friends and colleagues in the field of education,

It seems that the character assassination and slander of Bill Ayers and other people who have known Obama is not about to let up. While an important concern is the dishonesty of this campaign and the slanderous McCarthyism they are using to attack Obama, we also feel an obligation to support our friend and colleague Bill Ayers. Many, many educators have reached out, asking what they could do, seeking a way to weigh in against fear and intimidation. Many of us have been talking and we agree that this one gesture, a joint statement signed by hundreds of hard-working educators, would be a great first step. Such a statement may be distributed through press releases or ads in the future.


This petition is going out EVEN though they know this guy is unrepentant about his and his wifes past records of terrorism. These people; the educators of our children have no sense of shame. They have some seriously effed up sense of priorities in life.

164 doppelganglander  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:59:29pm

re: #143 The Shadow Do

Anybody tried Mohammad Atta yet?
Ethel Rosenberg?
Horatio Hornblower?

Diana Oughton?

165 Racer X  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:59:37pm

re: #141 Cognito

I think the Obama-Ayers bit has become academic, at this point.

Only the economy matters, now. It is the rock hurtling toward the political planet. Other issues are merely clouds.

Don't get me wrong: Ayers is wicked and Obama is dastardly for courting with him. I'm just not sure the populace cares so much, at the moment.

I think its called multi-tasking.

Today attack on Ayers.
Tomorrow Franklin Raines and Jim Johnson.
Wednesday - Tony Rezko
Thursday - Rev. Wright
Friday - illegal campaign contributions.

166 freedomplow  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:59:37pm

re: #141 Cognito

I think the Obama-Ayers bit has become academic, at this point.

Only the economy matters, now. It is the rock hurtling toward the political planet. Other issues are merely clouds.

Don't get me wrong: Ayers is wicked and Obama is dastardly for courting with him. I'm just not sure the populace cares so much, at the moment.

Not to worry. Next up.

Finally: McCain on Fannie, Freddie, and Obama

The media is going to be forced to cover Ayers, the housing scandal and many other things to come.

167 mama winger  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:59:39pm

Normal Americans do not want a President who goes to the house of a person who says of the Manson Killings "wild, man"

Normal Americans do not want a President who goes to work with a man who says "Kill your parents"

wrong
wrong

168 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:59:52pm

re: #156 mama winger

You are living inside the media. I am living about as outside the media as it gets.

I live where Sarah lives. This is how we think.

Oh please. Utter crap.

Look, someone very close to me -- very, very close -- got laid off a few days.

Laid off.

And for what it's worth the evil media is feeling economic pain right now as much as any other sector.

So don't with the 'media' trash. I'm a person.

169 Adina in Judea  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 8:59:58pm

re: #128 doppelganglander

It is very interesting. For example, did you know, while Obama was attending Columbia University, Bill Ayers was working on a master's degree at the nearby Bank Street School of Education? Later, Obama moved to Ayers' hometown of Chicago to become a street agitator -- oops, sorry, community organizer. The summer after Obama's first year at Harvard Law, he returned to Chicago as a summer associate at Sidley Austin, where Ayers' wife Bernardine Dohrn was employed from 1984-88. (The summer in question would be 1989.) The head of the firm at the time was a close friend of Ayers' father, Thomas Ayers.

I admit that these are just very suggestive coincidences at this point, but then again, has anyone bothered to look into it? IMHO, the idea that Obama never met Ayers until 1995 is just ludicrous.

They were introduced in New York City by Edward Said (the author of the "Palestinian Narrative" fiction, ie, the story of 'an ancient people longing for their homeland' as stolen outright from the history and emotions of the Jewish people.)

Edward Said was an English professor at Columbia and Obama took classes of his. Edward Said was a Lebanese-Egyptian Christian who reinvented himself as a "Palestinian" to claim that he was part of the fictional narrative of the non-existent "Palestinian People."

Edward Said had shady leftist contacts (others who were anti-Israel and pro-"Palestinian") and Obama was introduced into the shady radical world of Marxist lefties through Edward Said.

170 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:00:03pm

Don't worry, Coggy. McCain and the RNC will attack 0bama on the Fannie/Freddy stuff.

171 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:00:05pm

re: #162 Killgore Trout

It creative writing. Notice that every quote in that article is on tape and was reported by everybody else except for the 'kill him" quote. Nobody else heard it or reported it and it's not on tape. If this was true it would be a huge story and would almost certainly sink McCain's campaign. It would have been the headline instead of buried in the story. It's complete bullshit.

Yep

Classic Time Magazine-style fluff, trying to "flesh out" the "emotion" of the scene with something completely made up.

Jedenfals they'd be talking about killing Ayers, if I read it right - and my reaction to that is, "so what"?

172 RememberSekhmet?  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:00:09pm

re: #65 Hard Right

Dick Hurtz, Slide Rock, AZ

Heywood Jablome, Hilton Head SC

173 mama winger  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:00:17pm

re: #161 Russkilitlover

I think she means living inside the media bubble that is SO far removed from America it's sickening.

Bingo

174 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:00:17pm

re: #153 The Shadow Do

Better work hard and work fast!

I intend to. I hate what Obama's machine does to the city I grew up in. I don't oppose Obama because I hate Chicago, I oppose him because I love Chicago.

175 arethusa  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:00:19pm

re: #157 Dark_Falcon

Associations always matter, Cognito. Ayers helps clarify what Obama will do on the economy.

Uh, how exactly?

176 spidly  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:00:22pm

heros is on

177 bcgirl  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:00:31pm

re: #155 Pawn of the Oppressor

"John. John. That's not true John."

"The hell it isn't, SENATOR Obama. Go ahead, tell me how I'm wrong. Divert from your memorized speech. You don't need a telepromter if you know the truth so well, right? Go ahead. I'm waiting."

*tap tap tap*


that would be so perfect, then there would be a deer in the head lights,, a picture of obamma i might actually be able to loook at for more than two seconds,, Senator are you reading tonight?

178 Russkilitlover  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:00:47pm

re: #147 Cognito

Living inside what, Mama Winger? America?

You sound like not only an appolgista, appeaser and moral-equalivancer, but a defeatist, too.

179 jake341  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:00:52pm

re: #143 The Shadow Do

Terry Wrist

180 NY Nana  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:00:53pm

re: #16 twincitiesgirl

A little slow aren't they? How many undecided voters will change their minds if they see this?

We can only hope that it makes the rounds, and causes the undecided to wake up, and also those who are voting for Obama to hear the wake-up call.

The polls do not look good, and on Nightline (ABC) they gleefully reported that no Republican has ever won the election for President if they did not win Ohio...and Obam,a seems to be going ahead there.

The Republicans must be more forceful. This is no time to be Emily Post.

We need Mandy Manners!

181 Metal Man  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:01:03pm

re: #143 The Shadow Do

Anybody tried Mohammad Atta yet?
Ethel Rosenberg?
Horatio Hornblower?

I'm betting that soon after it was linked here last night it was still updating and they got flooded. Fear of letting one slip seems to have shut down their little experiment.

182 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:01:15pm

re: #168 Cognito

And for what it's worth the evil media is feeling economic pain right now as much as any other sector.

They have only themselves to blame for that. It's called blowback, and it's a bitch.

183 mama winger  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:01:16pm

re: #168 Cognito

Oh please. Utter crap.

Look, someone very close to me -- very, very close -- got laid off a few days.

Laid off.

And for what it's worth the evil media is feeling economic pain right now as much as any other sector.

So don't with the 'media' trash. I'm a person.

I am sorry for your friend. I do not know what that has to do with you being wrong on this point however.

184 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:01:21pm

re: #162 Killgore Trout

And besides, he was just using hyperbole and metaphor in an ironic poststructuralist sense.

185 Wishing  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:01:46pm

re: #164 doppelganglander

Diana Oughton?

Diane Oughton's great grandfather founded the BSA...man o man did she slip a long way...

186 Occasional Reader  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:01:56pm

re: #154 Russkilitlover

The populace MUST care if they don't want the coming years to be disastrous.

Yep. A market crash... correction, sorry... by itself? We can do fine.

Get a President in who raises taxes, ramps up "regulation", and slaps in trade barriers... and, well, I don't want to say.

187 Gepetto  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:02:13pm

here, for everyone to grab and use appropriately:

[Link: i60.photobucket.com...]

188 mama winger  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:02:19pm

Perhaps the media is laying people off because they have a product not many people are interested in purchasing anymore.

It's the beauty of capitalism.

189 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:02:27pm

re: #178 Russkilitlover

You sound like not only an appolgista, appeaser and moral-equalivancer, but a defeatist, too.

How. Exactly, if you don't mind.

I'm angry. I want to see the country's Senatorial financial minders led away in handcuffs. That's not defeatist. That's pissed.

190 Idle Drifter  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:02:28pm

re: #92 spidly

think the WaPo reporter was channeling Mel Brooks
I say we scalp him!
Then we tattoo him!
Then we hang him!
And then we kill him!

Monty Python Holy Grail The tale of Sir Robin

191 laZardo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:03:38pm

re: #37 Sharmuta

They do, but it's "big corporate money" to launch a "disinformation" campaign.

/again, note the quotes

192 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:03:39pm

re: #183 mama winger

I am sorry for your friend. I do not know what that has to do with you being wrong on this point however.

What point, exactly, am I wrong on?

And here's what it has to do with: You saying that I live "outside" whatever real place occupied by you and Sarah Palin.

That's an offense.

193 mama winger  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:03:39pm

re: #175 arethusa

Uh, how exactly?

Ayers is an avowed and admitted communist. His words. Why would he support Obama and help launch his careet if he did not share a world view with Obama ?

194 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:04:02pm

Barack ZerObama and Ayers sent $100-million+/- down the drain!
The big-O's only EXECUTIVE position and he wasted ALL his money.
This fact needs to be hammered home to a country worried about fiscal responsibility.
He is a loser of other peoples money.

NObama!

195 Nancy  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:04:03pm

re: #116 The Shadow Do

I don't know...the attorney general in Illinois is a Democrat. I would more likely suspect that a delay would be to insure that nothing negative comes out before the election.

196 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:04:12pm

re: #189 Cognito

How. Exactly, if you don't mind.

I'm angry. I want to see the country's Senatorial financial minders led away in handcuffs. That's not defeatist. That's pissed.

Gee- maybe if the MEDIA WAS DOING IT'S DAMNED JOB AMERICANS WOULD HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON!

197 Outrider  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:04:24pm

re: #137 Shiplord kirel

re: #105 Dar ul Harb

I've posted this before, but it might be a good time for a re-up:

Hunting Down Che Guevara: The COIN Campaign of Nancahuazu
This is the story of Che Guevara's demise from a point of view seldom if ever seen in the English language media: That of the Bolivian soldiers and airmen who actually hunted down and liquidated the terrorist icon.

And the US Special Forces that were present.

198 DeafDog  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:04:25pm

re: #165 Racer X

I think its called multi-tasking.

Today attack on Ayers.
Tomorrow Franklin Raines and Jim Johnson.
Wednesday - Tony Rezko
Thursday - Rev. Wright
Friday - illegal campaign contributions.

Saturday - History of drug use
Sunday - Pushing sub-prime loans for ACORN
Monday - Michelle Obamba
Tuesady - "Clinging to guns and religion comments"

...repeat as necessary

199 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:04:29pm

re: #192 Cognito

That's an offense.

Five yard penalty. Still first down.

200 Occasional Reader  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:04:37pm

re: #162 Killgore Trout

If this was true it would be a huge story and would almost certainly sink McCain's campaign.

Bah, no it wouldn't. One idiot shouting something at a rally? We'd have the Demos hogtied now if that were true.

201 arethusa  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:04:49pm

re: #168 Cognito

I'm pretty much with Cognito on this. I don't think Ayers is just academic, but it is true that many more people will care about the economy. Voters generally vote according to what they perceive as their short-term interests, not their country's long-term interests (sad but true).

To repeat a popular argument among conservative analysts from all over, including Rove, McCain needs to tell a story, and that story doesn't need facts. It just needs to be compelling. And it needs to be on the economy.

202 Cicero05  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:04:50pm

re: #188 mama winger

Perhaps the media is laying people off because they have a product not many people are interested in purchasing anymore.

It's the beauty of capitalism.

Amen. From a former consumer of mainstream media.

203 Hard Right  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:05:05pm

re: #172 RememberSekhmet?

Heywood Jablome, Hilton Head SC

Hugh Jass, Jackson Hole, WY

204 krycek  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:05:07pm

Underline Obama's continued and profound lack of judgment. His associations...His arrogance to admit the surge worked...His connections to Fannie Mae...His choice of running mate.

205 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:05:16pm

re: #175 arethusa

Uh, how exactly?

The far left's ideas are economically disastrous. Obama associates with and gets his ideas from the far left. Ergo, Obama's ideas are economically disastrous.

206 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:05:21pm

re: #188 mama winger

Perhaps the media is laying people off because they have a product not many people are interested in purchasing anymore.

It's the beauty of capitalism.

Don't be idiotic.

I didn't say the person close to me -- a family member -- was in the media. He or she wasn't.

And don't use someone else's tragedy to make cheap shots. It's filthy.

207 mama winger  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:05:26pm

re: #192 Cognito

What point, exactly, am I wrong on?

And here's what it has to do with: You saying that I live "outside" whatever real place occupied by you and Sarah Palin.

That's an offense.

You are wrong in saying that this Ayers point is moot. Real people do not like guys who blow shit up and make bombs for killing soldiers.

I am sorry that this has to be spelled out for you.
That's an offense.

208 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:05:47pm

re: #196 Sharmuta

Gee- maybe if the MEDIA WAS DOING IT'S DAMNED JOB AMERICANS WOULD HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON!

Right.

Let's blame the media for this.

209 Occasional Reader  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:05:50pm

re: #187 Gepetto

here, for everyone to grab and use appropriately:

[Link: i60.photobucket.com...]

Oh, that's good.

I'd have written it "in your heart, you know he's Wright", a la Goldwater's motto, but I'm a sucker for the classics.

210 Purple Prose  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:06:00pm

re: #90 mama winger

No one can tell me that Obama had never heard the name of Bernadine Dohrn. She needs to be emphasized every bit as much as Ayers. She is pure evil.

This is without question. You can't know Ayers without knowing Dohrn. Bernadine Dohrn is William Ayers wife and they have two children together. If anything, while he is more guilty, as leader of formulating the terrorist ideology of the group, Dohrn is more guilty of actually carrying things out. But they live together and have since they were on the run. Since then, it has all been in the open. He is a "Distinguished Professor" at the so-called educational institution known as the University of Illinois at Chicago, while she is an associate professor at the so-called educational institution known as the Northwestern University School of Law.

Obama knew both well. Ayers and Dohrn are an inseparable pair.

So two terrorists, one racist (Wright) and one criminal (Rezko) all played important roles in the "rise" of Obama.

Either Obama was a gutter-trolling opportunist trying to gain cred in the most corrupt region of American or he is a radical himself. It's one or the other. Neither reflects well on his character, and either should discredit him entirely.

BTW, Rezko is now in the news as having done some shady real estate dealings with the Dem. Gov. of Illinois, Rob Blagojevich, as well.

The McGovern analogies understate the matter, and JFK analogies are off base, of course. There is simply no precedent for such a figure as Obama as president.

Take it from a Chigaoan, Obama is more deep in corruption and radical subversion than any presidential candidate in history.

211 mama winger  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:06:12pm

re: #206 Cognito

Don't be idiotic.

I didn't say the person close to me -- a family member -- was in the media. He or she wasn't.

And don't use someone else's tragedy to make cheap shots. It's filthy.

Bite me.

212 Racer X  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:06:15pm

re: #189 Cognito

I'm angry. I want to see the country's Senatorial financial minders led away in handcuffs. That's not defeatist. That's pissed.

I understand why you are pissed. I'm pissed too. But you know what also pisses me off? Last night ABC ran a news story about Ayers and referred to him as a "respected college professor".

That pissed me off.

213 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:06:43pm

re: #208 Cognito

Right.

Let's blame the media for this.

They are enablers.

214 The Shadow Do  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:06:44pm

re: #154 Russkilitlover

The populace MUST care if they don't want the coming years to be disastrous.

The persuadable populace sees only the price at the pump and the crashing money markets. That's it. Washington is to blame.

McCain needs to work his plan on this and nothing else - "America First" with a quick hit message that sticks. Some wag I read today suggested anything else is just "chasing rabbits". I think that's right.

215 mama winger  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:06:52pm

re: #208 Cognito

Right.

Let's blame the media for this.

Yes. Let's.

216 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:07:03pm

re: #211 mama winger

Bite me.

You're not worth it.

217 Nightwatch  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:07:04pm

re: #20 mama winger

But Mama,
If the MAC don't go to the spurs, (and I mean the TANTO spurs) manyana, then just what the hell is this comment "Conga" line all about anyway?

Sorry folks, jumped in late.

218 Nancy  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:07:10pm

re: #153 The Shadow Do

Is Rezko investigation with Cook County state's attorney or the attorney generals office. I had assumed the latter but may be wrong.

219 Hard Right  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:07:29pm

re: #213 Sharmuta

They are enablers.

Enabling? Hell, they are campaigning for him.

220 NY Nana  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:07:41pm

re: #141 Cognito

Yipes! I agree, essentially, with what you said.

On all the news programs I have seen today, it is a case of 'It's the economy, Stupid'. But they forget about 9/11, and a lot of other things that we need McCain and Palin to handle, G-d forbid, if they ever had anything even close.

That 3 AM phone call? Obama would ask the ever-lovely Michelle to answer, while he cowered under the bed wetting his Depends™

Yes, the economy is very critical, but so is our state of preparedness, but Osama's Zombies do not even care.

221 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:07:54pm

By the way, Obama fans are excusing the meetings with Rashid Khalidi as "seeking out authorities for alternative points of view on the conflict in the Middle East", like Obama was just going to the library or something (see, he's a smart guy who seeks out alternate P's-O-V!). That's almost a verbatim quote from one particular post I read recently, at at the social forum of a popular technical website...

It's a shame, the poster was somebody I normally respect as being very sensible, which has caused me to forumlate a theory of The Obama Effect, which makes formerly sensible people lose their effing minds.

222 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:07:57pm

re: #212 Racer X

I understand why you are pissed. I'm pissed too. But you know what also pisses me off? Last night ABC ran a news story about Ayers and referred to him as a "respected college professor".

That pissed me off.

You know what pisses me off more than ABC saying that?

It being true.

There are a lot of morons out there, Racer.

223 laZardo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:08:08pm

re: #196 Sharmuta

You think maybe what the media is doing is its "job?"

/ ];

224 mama winger  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:08:12pm

re: #216 Cognito

You're not worth it.

Mutual, I'm sure.

225 Hard Right  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:08:24pm

re: #215 mama winger

Yes. Let's.

Yes, how dare we put the blame where it belongs. (roll eyes)
Cog the mindless media twit/apologist strikes again.

226 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:08:29pm

The media is helping the guilty get away with it!

And you want to whine about it to us, cognito?! Tell your bosses to do their fucking job.

227 Adina in Judea  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:08:32pm

Barack Obama's Islamist ties to Rashid Khalidi, Edward Said and Ali Abunimah

Barack Obama's connection to radical Islamists such as Rashid Khalidi and Ali Abunimah have received scant media attention. Ali Abunimah, who runs the Electronic Intifada website said that he met Obama at many pro-Palestinian events in Chicago. In 1998 Obama and his wife attended a banquet at which the virulently anti Israel professor Edward Said was the keynote speaker.

Arab-American Activist Says Obama Hiding Anti-Israel Stance
16 Adar Bet 5768, 23 March 08 10:03by Gil Ronen

(IsraelNN.com) Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama is currently hiding his anti-Israel views in order to get elected, according to a well-known anti-Israel activist. The activist, Ali Abunimah, claimed to know Obama well and to have met him on numerous occasions at pro-Palestinian events in Chicago.

In an article he penned for the anti-Israeli website Electronic Intifada, Abunimah wrote:

"The last time I spoke to Obama was in the winter of 2004 at a gathering in Chicago's Hyde Park neighborhood. He was in the midst of a primary campaign to secure the Democratic nomination for the United States Senate seat he now occupies. But at that time polls showed him trailing.

"As he came in from the cold and took off his coat, I went up to greet him. He responded warmly, and volunteered, 'Hey, I'm sorry I haven't said more about Palestine right now, but we are in a tough primary race. I'm hoping when things calm down I can be more up front.' He referred to my activism, including columns I was contributing to the The Chicago Tribune critical of Israeli and US policy [and said:] 'Keep up the good work!'"

Barack, Michelle, Edward and Mariam

Abunimah's report included a photo of Obama with his wife Michelle seated at a table with virulently anti-Israeli Professor Edward Said and his wife Mariam, in what Abunimah said was a May 1998 Arab community event in Chicago at which Said gave the keynote speech.

In an interview earlier this year for the leftist radio show "Democracy Now!," a daily TV and radio news program hosted by Amy Goodman and Juan Gonzalez, Abunimah said he knew Obama for many years as his state senator "when he used to attend events in the Palestinian community in Chicago all the time."

"I remember personally introducing him onstage in 1999, when we had a major community fundraiser for the community center in Deheisha refugee camp in the occupied West Bank," he recounted. "And that's just one example of how Barack Obama used to be very comfortable speaking up for and being associated with Palestinian rights and opposing the Israeli occupation."

About face 'to get elected'

The Arab-American activist went on to say: "In 2000, when Obama unsuccessfully ran for Congress I heard him speak at a campaign fundraiser hosted by a University of Chicago professor. On that occasion and others Obama was forthright in his criticism of US policy and his call for an even-handed approach to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict."

"Obama's about-face is not surprising," Abunimah wrote. "He is merely doing what he thinks is necessary to get elected and he will continue doing it as long as it keeps him in power."

...

228 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:08:46pm

re: #210 Purple Prose

Exactly!

229 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:08:47pm

re: #207 mama winger

That's an offense.

Upon further review, the call still stands.

230 Racer X  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:09:24pm

re: #220 NY Nana

That 3 AM phone call? Obama would ask the ever-lovely Michelle to answer, while he cowered under the bed wetting his Depends™

LOL!

231 laZardo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:09:25pm

re: #227 Adina in Judea

More negative propaganda from the Israel (not Jewish!) lobby.

///////////////////

232 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:09:31pm

re: #226 Sharmuta

The media is helping the guilty get away with it!

And you want to whine about it to us, cognito?! Tell your bosses to do their fucking job.

You are saying foolish things.

You don't know my bosses, I'll remind you.

But whatever.

233 doppelganglander  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:09:56pm

re: #169 Adina in Judea

They were introduced in New York City by Edward Said (the author of the "Palestinian Narrative" fiction, ie, the story of 'an ancient people longing for their homeland' as stolen outright from the history and emotions of the Jewish people.)

Edward Said was an English professor at Columbia and Obama took classes of his. Edward Said was a Lebanese-Egyptian Christian who reinvented himself as a "Palestinian" to claim that he was part of the fictional narrative of the non-existent "Palestinian People."

Edward Said had shady leftist contacts (others who were anti-Israel and pro-"Palestinian") and Obama was introduced into the shady radical world of Marxist lefties through Edward Said.

Do you have a source for that? I know Said is dead (spit). Is there someone else who witnessed this? I'm not doubting you, I just like to have evidence if I want to use the claim in the future.

234 Cartman  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:10:04pm

re: #168 Cognito

Look, someone very close to me -- very, very close -- got laid off a few days.

Laid off.

I've been laid of a few times in my career. It ain't fun, but it's called picking yourself up, dusting yourself off, and moving on. One of life's unpleasantries.

235 nightintheruts  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:10:24pm

re: #196 Sharmuta

Gee- maybe if the MEDIA WAS DOING IT'S DAMNED JOB AMERICANS WOULD HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON!

thank you - my sentiments exactly.

If there is someone decent in the media then they need to speak up - for integrity and honesty and personal pride. but it ain't happening cause those things don't live there anymore.
Dan Rather - gone
Air Amerika - dead
msnbc , cnn, all of them...
the NYT, washington b/s, LA b/s....

I hope they all crash and burn as they are part of this entire problem.
People are waking up slowly...and getting pissed.

236 laZardo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:10:42pm

re: #220 NY Nana

That 3 AM phone call? Obama would ask the ever-lovely Michelle to answer, while he cowered under the bed wetting his Depends™

That explains why Newsweek thought Obama could be our first female president.

237 itellu3times  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:10:47pm

re: #168 Cognito

Oh please. Utter crap.

Look, someone very close to me -- very, very close -- got laid off a few days.

Laid off.

And for what it's worth the evil media is feeling economic pain right now as much as any other sector.

So don't with the 'media' trash. I'm a person.

Of my twenty closest friends and neighbors, I doubt a third of them have safe, stable jobs. Plenty of layoffs. Plenty of short-term contracts. But so far, nothing much worse from the current carnival. In general, "It's the economy, stupid" remains a powerful guideline for politics, I agree, but just who does that favor? Both candidates are ignorant and not credible. It's a horror show.

I just hope mama winger is correct, that enough normal Americans are out there, paying attention, and voting - and see things our way. I remain modestly optimistic.

238 bcgirl  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:10:50pm

re: #165 Racer X

I think its called multi-tasking.

Today attack on Ayers.
Tomorrow Franklin Raines and Jim Johnson.
Wednesday - Tony Rezko
Thursday - Rev. Wright
Friday - illegal campaign contributions.


and then next week, start by doing ads that EXPLAIN in joe six pack language -- the 5000.00 health care thing, the way it will work, ( and the way his will NOT) and other actual plans for action, that is what we want,, obamma just says i will do this and i will do that ,i will do everything and more- I think McCain needs to lay it out- in black and white as it were, that is the only way the mesmoronic masses will understand and then lets talk about that FENCE

239 The Shadow Do  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:10:57pm

re: #179 jake341

Terry Wrist

lol!

240 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:11:10pm

re: #221 Pawn of the Oppressor


It's a shame, the poster was somebody I normally respect as being very sensible, which has caused me to forumlate a theory of The Obama Effect, which makes formerly sensible people lose their effing minds.

Formulate. Not forum-late. Argh... Maybe Obama should have sent some of those millions to my school so they could teach me to type better

241 twincitiesgirl  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:11:14pm

re: #166 freedomplow

Hey, John's looking really good in that video. Let's hope he uses this in the debates.

/get 'em John!

242 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:11:47pm

re: #168 Cognito

Oh please. Utter crap.

Look, someone very close to me -- very, very close -- got laid off a few days.

Laid off.

And for what it's worth the evil media is feeling economic pain right now as much as any other sector.

So don't with the 'media' trash. I'm a person.

A, you are media trash. B, if this person very very close to you, is, like you, a member of the 4th estate 5th column then, they, like you, deserve to be unemployed.

243 pat  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:11:53pm

It is always difficult watching Colmes. His blind defense of outrageously stupid talking points evidence a robotic, uncreative mind.

244 Ojoe  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:12:06pm

re: #71 astronmr20

Polls are bullshit:

Ojoe's poll hammer:

1. Polls are public, there are at least a questioner and an answerer; more may be listening and influencing the answer. The ballot is secret.

2. Polls may be worded in tricky ways. The ballot is simple.

3. You can lie to a pollster. You cannot lie to the ballot.

4. Polls come before the ballot, and can influence voting, so the motivation behind them is suspect.

5. Polls come to you even if you are lazy, but you have to get up off your ass to go and vote.

245 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:12:11pm

re: #225 Hard Right

Yes, how dare we put the blame where it belongs. (roll eyes)
Cog the mindless media twit/apologist strikes again.

Don't fall for that crap.

The Wall Street Journal raised the alarm about Freddie and Fannie and their Congressional conspirators for years. Years.

Blaming the media is worse than wrong. It's lazy.

Take the time to apportion the blame where it belongs, because that is the only way to correct the problem.

And if, say, the New York Times failed to see disaster coming, punish them by not subscribing. And reward the responsible competitor -- say, the WSJ -- by reading their stuff.

It's not rocket science.

246 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:12:16pm

re: #239 The Shadow Do

Obama bin Biden.

247 Racer X  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:12:27pm

re: #222 Cognito

You know what pisses me off more than ABC saying that?

It being true.

There are a lot of morons out there, Racer.


There's plenty of lunatics about for sure.

I would have referred to Ayers as "the unrepentant terrorist turned college professor".

But that's just me.

248 Occasional Reader  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:12:28pm

re: #208 Cognito

Right.

Let's blame the media for this.

Have you not been paying attention?

249 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:12:57pm

0bama hangs with scum like ayers and fraudsters like raines and johnson and rezco.

Where is the media on this cog?

The democrats allowed Fannie and Freddy to go unchecked.

Where is the media on this cog?

You say Americans care about the economy, but do they know what's really caused this problem?

Where is the media on this cog?

250 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:13:29pm

re: #234 Cartman

I've been laid of a few times in my career. It ain't fun, but it's called picking yourself up, dusting yourself off, and moving on. One of life's unpleasantries.

Yeah. Tough to do when you're five years short of retirement, too old to start anew and your 401K has recently been reduced to a pile of cinders by the greedy and the stupid.

But thanks.

251 freedomplow  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:13:49pm

Penny Pritzker is Obama's campaign finance manager.

Ms. Pritzker has been associated with the Subprime mortgage crisis.

Ms. Pritzker is currently the vice chair of the Chicago Public Education Fund now renamed Chicago Annenberg Challenge.

The CAC's successful grant application was written in 1993 by Bill Ayers.

252 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:14:05pm

re: #249 Sharmuta

Georgebushes. Georgebushes. And ...Georgebushes!

254 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:14:19pm

re: #242 doriangrey

A, you are media trash. B, if this person very very close to you, is, like you, a member of the 4th estate 5th column then, they, like you, deserve to be unemployed.

I'll consider the source.

255 mama winger  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:14:25pm

We have soldiers fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan against terrorists and those who aid them. Those who set IED's that target Army our troops as they are on patrol Troops who trained at places that William Ayers and his friends tried to blow up.

We have a man who wants to fight terrorists, and a man who has dinner over at their house. Maybe if Obam agets elected, Ayers could give the Taliban some professional tips.

Why is this even a question?

256 Nightwatch  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:14:43pm

re: #216 Cognito


Oh, you must be one of them non-scaled sackless hy-bird pinko-trolls?
DAMN not P rhymes with kitty C rhymes with a hammer and sicko but none the less, these ZIP-STICKS plug-in gadgets are hell-a-fun to use.....Charles?...may I?

Boy, ya like 1st gen Donkey Kong?

SURE YA DO!

257 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:14:49pm

re: #220 NY Nana

That 3 AM phone call? Obama would ask the ever-lovely Michelle to answer, while he cowered under the bed wetting his Depends™

Michelle always has a look in her eyes like she wants to kill the interviewer and eat their liver out of spite. I'm surprised she doesn't have a history of planting bombs.

Come to think of it, what's HER relationship to Ayers and his sweetie Forkadine? Ayers wrote some nonsense in his book about "feeling like he was black" (as in, a violent, oppressed black guy), and Michelle seems like just the kind of person who would feel solidarity with a psycho like him, for doing things she never could.

I'm theorizing, of course, but I'm curious why nobody has dug into her relationships.

258 Cicero05  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:14:53pm

re: #249 Sharmuta


You say Americans care about the economy, but do they know what's really caused this problem?

Where is the media on this cog?

Bush caused the problem. Bush causes all problems. Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush. And Cheney.

259 doppelganglander  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:15:04pm

re: #233 doppelganglander

Addendum: Quite unexpectedly, in the previously linked article by Jack Cashill in which he speculates that Ayers served as a ghostwriter for Obama, I found this nugget:

“What makes Fugitive Days unique is its unsparing detail and its marvelous human coherence and integrity,” writes left wing literary guru and Obama pal, Edward Said.

Adina, I think you're right.

260 Hard Right  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:15:15pm

re: #248 Occasional Reader

Have you not been paying attention?

The second any kind of blame falls on the media Cog goes into colmes mode. Now he's throwing out straw men.
Cog, where did I blame the media for the FM/FM crisis?

261 mama winger  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:15:46pm

soory for the typos

I am about to blow my stack here

262 Irish Rose  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:15:47pm

Team Obama:

"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"

263 laZardo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:16:05pm

re: #258 Cicero05

The Cheneyist-Zionist elite cabal of evil warmongering corporatist imperialists.

/and if I forgot any, please remind me. q:

264 The Shadow Do  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:16:22pm

re: #218 Nancy

Is Rezko investigation with Cook County state's attorney or the attorney generals office. I had assumed the latter but may be wrong.

I think his problems are with the Feds, but I could be wrong. Look to a more well informed lizard.

265 Idle Drifter  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:16:29pm

re: #244 Ojoe

Polls are bullshit:

Ojoe's poll hammer:

1. Polls are public, there are at least a questioner and an answerer; more may be listening and influencing the answer. The ballot is secret.

2. Polls may be worded in tricky ways. The ballot is simple.

3. You can lie to a pollster. You cannot lie to the ballot.

4. Polls come before the ballot, and can influence voting, so the motivation behind them is suspect.

5. Polls come to you even if you are lazy, but you have to get up off your ass to go and vote.

I like the Poles better myself, they'll bring you into their home and cook you a delicious meal. I do miss the Polish Festival at St. Stans. Hhhmmmmmm, Beer and Perogies.

266 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:16:42pm

re: #258 Cicero05

Bush caused the problem. Bush causes all problems. Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush. And Cheney.

Thanks for playing, but I believe my fauxbama reflexes are faster than yours.

267 Adina in Judea  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:16:50pm

re: #233 doppelganglander

Do you have a source for that? I know Said is dead (spit). Is there someone else who witnessed this? I'm not doubting you, I just like to have evidence if I want to use the claim in the future.

WorldNetDaily had an article that included this information on September 11, 2008:

Why Obama is Mum About Harvard

... The specifics we may never know. As the New York Times concedes, Obama “declined repeated requests to talk about his New York years, release his Columbia transcript or identify even a single fellow student, co-worker, roommate or friend from those years.”

Would that Bristol Palin could get off so easily!

There are any number of possible reasons for Obama’s reticence about Columbia: his grades, the courses he took, his writing samples, and, of course, his associations.

At that time, for instance, both Bill Ayers and Obama fell within the orbit of left wing Columbia superstar, Edward Said. Just recently out of hiding, Ayers was attending the Bank Street College of Education, which adjoins the Columbia campus...

268 looking closely  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:17:18pm

re: #160 DeafDog

let's also not forget to mention that Obamba is an admitted Cocaine user....we are not sure when he quit (he's sketchy on that detail, but it was sometimes in his twentys). Can that issue be put back on the table? I think folks need to know.


I somehow doubt that the last time Obama powdered his nose was in his 20s (ie more than 20 years ago).

But no, this issue can't be "put back on the table" because it was never on the table to begin with. Obama admitted his substance abuse in his autobiography, and Bush never really came clean about his own cocaine use.

If asked about this, Obama will simply say to check his autobiography, and that he hasn't used drugs in decades. Until/unless someone can prove him wrong, there is no issue here.

269 Cicero05  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:17:33pm

re: #266 Dar ul Harb

Thanks for playing, but I believe my fauxbama reflexes are faster than yours.

Yeah. I've got to up my game.

270 pat  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:18:06pm

re: #242 doriangrey

A, you are media trash. B, if this person very very close to you, is, like you, a member of the 4th estate 5th column then, they, like you, deserve to be unemployed.

There is no need for that. Cog is what he is, and is not trash. He has a perfectly valid view point based upon his observations of his business. His views of editorial and journalistic content are often confused with approval of bias, rather than Cogs attempt to explain how his business operates. Cog rarely engages in personal attacks, and it seems hardly necessary to engage him thus. And I usually disagree with him.

271 avspatti  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:18:20pm

re: #66 Racer X

We got here because people like Ayers and Obama are NOT stupid. The average American is being fooled - and they are falling for this bullshit in droves. The media has swallowed a whole mouthful and they simply cannot spit it back out without looking foolish.

I will tell you how we got here. People who are now old enough to vote have been 'educated' in government schools where anything good about America is rarely taught. American history is basically a joke as it is taught in most places. Younger voters have NO clue about our system, our principles, our founding documents, nothing that has made our nation special and successful. On the contrary, students hear over and over that everything is our fault. They hear this in social studies classes, economics, English, and in other classes as well.

I am a teacher, and I have approved this message.

272 freedomplow  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:18:26pm

re: #251 freedomplow

Penny Pritzker is Obama's campaign finance manager.

Ms. Pritzker has been associated with the Subprime mortgage crisis.

Ms. Pritzker is currently the vice chair of the Chicago Public Education Fund now renamed Chicago Annenberg Challenge.

The CAC's successful grant application was written in 1993 by Bill Ayers.

renamed from

PIMF

273 Ojoe  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:18:38pm

re: #265 Idle Drifter

The Pope was Polish recently too.

Poland means "The land of the fields". That's beautiful.

274 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:18:54pm

re: #245 Cognito

Blaming the media is worse than wrong. It's lazy.

You know what's lazy?

Lazy is not taking a good hard look at what it is we believe in because we're afraid we might come to see it as problematic and that might make it more difficult to live with.

Lazy is refusing to take the blinders off.

Lazy is continuing with the status quo.

Lazy is resigning ourselves to our comfort zone even when it's wrong.

Lazy is you.

275 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:18:58pm

re: #256 Nightwatch

Oh, you must be one of them non-scaled sackless hy-bird pinko-trolls?
DAMN not P rhymes with kitty C rhymes with a hammer and sicko but none the less, these ZIP-STICKS plug-in gadgets are hell-a-fun to use.....Charles?...may I?

Boy, ya like 1st gen Donkey Kong?

SURE YA DO!

You must be new.

Or not paying attention.

I'll welcome your citation of a single "hy-bird pinko" position I hold, though. In the meantime feel free to satisfy yourself with big-boy talk about zip sticks and whatever else comes to mind.

276 lobo91  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:19:01pm

re: #193 mama winger

Ayers is an avowed and admitted communist. His words.

A fact that makes the whole "McCarthyism" cry rather ironic.

Why would he support Obama and help launch his careet if he did not share a world view with Obama ?

Hell, according to his spinmeisters, he apparently never even met the guy, much less shared a world view with him. It appears as though Ayers was in the habit of holding fundraisers at his house for any random wannabe politician who happened to wander by, if they're to be believed.

277 pat  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:19:02pm

re: #249 Sharmuta

0bama hangs with scum like ayers and fraudsters like raines and johnson and rezco.

Where is the media on this cog?

The democrats allowed Fannie and Freddy to go unchecked.

Where is the media on this cog?

You say Americans care about the economy, but do they know what's really caused this problem?

Where is the media on this cog?

EXACTLY

278 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:19:04pm

Truth,over the last few days coming here i had noticed a grim feeling from some of the post.Even made a few myself.
Tonight I see light, happy good feeling post. Yes,it was time for this and with time to spare.I am very glad to see this going on with McCain/Palin.
I am also very pleased to see you guys start to feel good again.
Just a thought of observation.Hope you guys do not mind me saying so.

279 arethusa  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:19:14pm

re: #255 mama winger

I think terrorism and foreign policy are the most important issues in this election, too, especially when you think of the country's benefit (not just your own) and you take the long view. But polls show that about half of voters name the economy as their biggest concern going into the election; they are thinking of the short term, their own benefits. In a different world, Ayers would be a top issue and Obama would have long ago been disqualified by primary voters because of it.

It's the sort of attitude we McCain/Republican volunteers need to change to help get a victory.

280 Cartman  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:20:05pm

re: #250 Cognito

Yeah. Tough to do when you're five years short of retirement, too old to start anew and your 401K has recently been reduced to a pile of cinders by the greedy and the stupid.

But thanks.

That's exactly what happened to me, except I was a little more that 5 years from retirement. Sure, it wasn't real pleasant having 20-something and 30-something managers smirk at me during interviews because they were sure I wouldn't fit into their "culture" because of my "advanced age". I finally said fuck 'em all, and started my own business. It's not been a cash cow, by any means, but it puts food on the table. Where there's a will, there's a way.

281 straitcircle  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:20:30pm

Don't worry, Obama's pastor will have more to add on how bad the USA was and is. 2,500 bil EU shares gone, the wolrd markets going to hell, but this is what the dems want because Obama needs to disarm the USA. The USA is a very bad thing and it must be stopped. Until we live like his brother in a mud-pit and make $1.00 a day , the US people are evil and must be stopped. Obama's friend Bill Ayers agrees, the USA is not good, it must be stopped. Don't worry, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN support the demise of the USA by their open support of Obama this election cycle ( a new thing in US politics). To them, the USA is evil and it must be stopped at all costs. The founders are evil, the white people are evil, the western civilizaiton is evil, and it must go to the dark age again.

282 realwest  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:20:35pm

re: #268 looking closely
Hey there! That video has been pretty well fisked. But it does give rise to the question of WHY didn't Obama release his medical file - instead of a one page letter from his doctor.
IIRC, McCain, Bush, Kerry and Gore ALL released all of their medical files. Why not Obama?

283 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:20:38pm

re: #260 Hard Right

The second any kind of blame falls on the media Cog goes into colmes mode. Now he's throwing out straw men.
Cog, where did I blame the media for the FM/FM crisis?

Where did I say you did?

284 Alberta Oil Peon  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:20:40pm

You know, if were a Machiavellian evil genius, I could not hope to find a better piece of raw stock to forge into a Manchurian candidate than Barack Hussein Obama.

John Buchan, in his novels (The Thirty-nine Steps, for example) is fond of using the term "deracinated" to describe the anarchists and moonbats of the day (1920's). He uses it to describe people who have been cut off from their social roots, a condition that makes them easy marks for the purveyors of toxic ideologies. Pick up almost any Buchan novel, and give it a read. They are great fun, and can be pretty educational, as well.

Well, if anyone can be called "deracinated", Obama is the one. He is to all intents and purposes an orphan, with an absent father, and a neglectful, self-absorbed mother. Raised by his grandmother and/or his stepfather, his upbringing was vastly different than that of most Americans, even those from single-parent families. To the extent he was ever a part of any community, it was not a typical American community.

The only father-figures in his life appear to have been Marxist ideologues. He has followed a radical leftist path through university, and has worked for leftist causes since becoming a lawyer. It would not surprise me one iota to learn that he has been groomed for this role of candidate/Messiah ever since it became apparent to his mentors that he was smart enough, and driven enough to make it through college. I don't see people like Ayers and Dohrn being his friends, so much as being minders.

285 Nancy  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:20:58pm

re: #258 Cicero05

Don't forget Karl Rove ---the evil genius!

286 Nightwatch  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:21:02pm

re: #274 Sharmuta
GO GO GO GO GO DAMN where is my AIM-POINT......!CONTACT LEFT!

287 realwest  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:21:39pm

WHOA this thread is really moving along!
HI ALL Y'ALL - how is everyone tonight? Drinking lots of coffee?!

288 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:21:43pm

re: #274 Sharmuta

You know what's lazy?

Lazy is not taking a good hard look at what it is we believe in because we're afraid we might come to see it as problematic and that might make it more difficult to live with.

Lazy is refusing to take the blinders off.

Lazy is continuing with the status quo.

Lazy is resigning ourselves to our comfort zone even when it's wrong.

Lazy is you.

Bravo. You've managed to miss the point entirely.

289 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:21:57pm

I know that the GOP put this together nicely, but as a hometown boy, I have access to the public archives of Chicago newspapers through my local library and put together the beginning of the Obama and Ayers relationship as reported by the newspapers BEFORE OBAMA WAS A POLITICIAN, without the bias. Here it is...

Also posted the link above.

290 a marine mom  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:22:18pm

Glad to see that the GOP is getting this out and that Palin is pounding on this at every rally. But I would prefer that Rev. Wright and others get in the mix as well.

When you associate with "folks" like this it says a lot about who you are.

291 arethusa  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:22:18pm

re: #282 realwest


IIRC, McCain, Bush, Kerry and Gore ALL released all of their medical files. Why not Obama?


I bet one or both of the following:
a) he has seen a shrink (not unexpected given his whole quest to find himself)
b) he is a much heavier smoker than anyone realizes, and perhaps already suffering the consequences

Neither is necessarily a disqualifier, but both can be made a lot of.

292 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:22:27pm

re: #288 Cognito

Bravo. You've managed to miss the point entirely.

No- that would be you.

293 Cicero05  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:22:33pm

re: #281 straitcircle

The USA is a very bad thing and it must be stopped. Until we live like his brother in a mud-pit and make $1.00 a day , the US people are evil and must be stopped.

It's a mud hut, not a mud pit. The people in mud huts look down on the people in the mud pits.

294 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:22:47pm

re: #260 Hard Right

The second any kind of blame falls on the media Cog goes into colmes mode. Now he's throwing out straw men.
Cog, where did I blame the media for the FM/FM crisis?

Now that's unfair. Cognito actually thinks. Colmes does not.

295 Nightwatch  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:22:49pm

re: #275 Cognito


Older than you X10....boy.

296 mama winger  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:23:10pm

re: #281 straitcircle

the US people are evil and must be stopped. Obama's friend Bill Ayers agrees, the USA is not good, it must be stopped. Don't worry, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN support the demise of the USA by their open support of Obama this election cycle ( a new thing in US politics). To them, the USA is evil and it must be stopped at all costs. The founders are evil, the white people are evil, the western civilizaiton is evil, and it must go to the dark age again.

This is exactly it.

We have terrorists across the ocean thinking the US is evil and must be stopped.

Obama's friends and ass-ociates agree.


Why is this election even close.

297 Nancy  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:23:19pm

re: #271 avspatti

I just read yesterday on Powerline --a school teacher asked her class to name the most famous persons in history they would like to meet:

Number one answer: Yoko Ono and John Lennon.........

Pretty sad.

298 stuiec  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:23:38pm

re: #168 Cognito

Oh please. Utter crap.

Look, someone very close to me -- very, very close -- got laid off a few days.

Laid off.

And for what it's worth the evil media is feeling economic pain right now as much as any other sector.

So don't with the 'media' trash. I'm a person.

The evil news media have been experiencing pain for a number of years. Seems the further left their editorial policies go, and the more of that editorial that slops over into the supposed 'news' pages, the worse their pain gets. If your close associate only got laid off a few days ago, s/he's sort of late to the pity party, 'cause lots of media folks been laid off in the last several years.

299 Hard Right  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:23:41pm

re: #292 Sharmuta

No- that would be you.


Exactly. Sadly, he does it on purpose.

300 mama winger  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:23:43pm

re: #288 Cognito

Bravo. You've managed to miss the point entirely.

On the contrary, I think she hit the bulls-eye.

301 realwest  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:24:09pm

re: #280 Cartman
Hey my friend - I've heard that "fit into corporate culture horseshit too - but did someone really say something about your age?! Cause that's a winnable lawsuit right there!

302 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:24:22pm

re: #248 Occasional Reader

Have you not been paying attention?

Oh cog has most assuredly been paying attention. Cog is a part of the liberal/socialist/communist media that has been betraying america for the last 50 years. What cog is doing is playing games. He is doing what the media has done so successfully for decades now. He is playing the victim card in an attempt to manipulate what people think.

Cognito is just an honesty media whore doing his best to report the news thats fit to report. Ayers, news that isnt fit to report. Nothing to see here, move along. We are all fools and right wing nut jobs for thinking that cognito and his fellow travelers should not be thinking for us, after all, they are smarter than us and we really cant be trusted to make the right decision if they dont tell us what the right decisions are.

303 Racer X  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:24:36pm

re: #296 mama winger

Why is this election even close?


I keep shaking my head and wondering the same thing.

304 Ojoe  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:24:43pm

re: #284 Alberta Oil Peon

It would not surprise me one iota to learn that he has been groomed for this role of candidate/Messiah ever since it became apparent to his mentors that he was smart enough, and driven enough to make it through college. I don't see people like Ayers and Dohrn being his friends, so much as being minders.

It was pretty apparent to me in California that 0bama was being "put forth" when his name suddenly appeared on signs; in magazine articles; in books at bookstores; on the NPR stations;

And he did not seem smart enough to have done that all on his own;

He was an offering, bait as it were;

It reminded me of Sauron and Saruman in "The Lord of the Rings"

305 Idle Drifter  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:24:45pm

re: #273 Ojoe

Great horsemen and cavalry came from that region of Europe. Husarua.

306 Hard Right  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:24:58pm

re: #294 Dark_Falcon

Now that's unfair. Cognito actually thinks. Colmes does not.

Mmmmm, not when the issue is the media.

307 West Coast Freedom  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:25:03pm
308 krycek  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:25:13pm

I believe a large part of the problem is that the MSM is satisfied with the job they do, which is essentially being an arm of liberal politics. Being agents of change is what they aspire to be. Forget objectism. Today's journalist is in the tank already before journalism school. School only reinforces their behavior.

309 Adina in Judea  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:25:33pm

re: #259 doppelganglander

re: #233 doppelganglander

Addendum: Quite unexpectedly, in the previously linked article by Jack Cashill in which he speculates that Ayers served as a ghostwriter for Obama, I found this nugget:

“What makes Fugitive Days unique is its unsparing detail and its marvelous human coherence and integrity,” writes left wing literary guru and Obama pal, Edward Said.

Adina, I think you're right.

Edward Said was also extremely popular with the more mainstream left, so he was a tie between radical Marxist elements and the more acceptable sorts of lefties in the Democratic party.

IMO, Edward Said's connections got Obama his start on the path he's on now.

William Ayers was right in the thick of all this, too.

310 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:25:51pm

re: #254 Cognito

I'll consider the source.

Good, because we are all considering the source, you, and you are not just part of the problem, you are the problem.

311 Ojoe  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:25:51pm

re: #297 Nancy

More than sad; tragic.

312 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:25:58pm

re: #295 Nightwatch

Older than you X10....boy.

Right.

Well, I'm angry tonight. Angry at the people who actually created this mess, who have damaged my loved ones and who threaten my own livelihood. A livelihood which, despite bold assumptions and unearned indignations by some, no one here knows about whatsoever.

And I'm squandering that anger on the likes of people like this sterling commenter, Nightwatch. Who is apparently ten times my age, and regards me as a boy.

Later.

313 mama winger  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:26:01pm

re: #284 Alberta Oil Peon

The only father-figures in his life appear to have been Marxist ideologues. He has followed a radical leftist path through university, and has worked for leftist causes since becoming a lawyer. It would not surprise me one iota to learn that he has been groomed for this role of candidate/Messiah ever since it became apparent to his mentors that he was smart enough, and driven enough to make it through college. I don't see people like Ayers and Dohrn being his friends, so much as being minders.

Skeery, in't it?

314 Racer X  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:26:06pm

re: #297 Nancy

I just read yesterday on Powerline --a school teacher asked her class to name the most famous persons in history they would like to meet:

Number one answer: Yoko Ono and John Lennon.........

Pretty sad.

I would bet $100 that teacher was a big fan of Lennon and Yoko, and had previously discussed their wonderful contributions to society.

315 laZardo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:26:17pm

re: #301 realwest

IIRC, the EOE on the applications say they cannot discriminate on age under 40.

316 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:26:19pm

re: #297 Nancy

I just read yesterday on Powerline --a school teacher asked her class to name the most famous persons in history they would like to meet:

Number one answer: Yoko Ono and John Lennon.........

Pretty sad.

One is dead,,the other can not sing.

317 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:27:00pm

re: #312 Cognito

Awww- poor cognito. Need those smelling salts you're always saying I need?

318 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:27:04pm

re: #304 Ojoe

It was pretty apparent to me in California that 0bama was being "put forth" when his name suddenly appeared on signs; in magazine articles; in books at bookstores; on the NPR stations;

And he did not seem smart enough to have done that all on his own;

He was an offering, bait as it were;

It reminded me of Sauron and Saruman in "The Lord of the Rings"

How did it remind you?

319 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:27:25pm

re: #303 Racer X

I keep shaking my head and wondering the same thing.

The pro-Obama MSM spin machine is so loud, I suspect, because the guy really needs that much help.

320 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:27:42pm

re: #169 Adina in Judea

They were introduced in New York City by Edward Said (the author of the "Palestinian Narrative" fiction, ie, the story of 'an ancient people longing for their homeland' as stolen outright from the history and emotions of the Jewish people.)

Edward Said was an English professor at Columbia and Obama took classes of his. Edward Said was a Lebanese-Egyptian Christian who reinvented himself as a "Palestinian" to claim that he was part of the fictional narrative of the non-existent "Palestinian People."

Edward Said had shady leftist contacts (others who were anti-Israel and pro-"Palestinian") and Obama was introduced into the shady radical world of Marxist lefties through Edward Said.

I have never heard that before ....... I wonder if Obama has ever been asked about Said. If we could get a look at his Columbia crap we might find out but that is locked up.

321 gman  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:28:29pm

re: #280 Cartman

That's exactly what happened to me, except I was a little more that 5 years from retirement. Sure, it wasn't real pleasant having 20-something and 30-something managers smirk at me during interviews because they were sure I wouldn't fit into their "culture" because of my "advanced age". I finally said fuck 'em all, and started my own business. It's not been a cash cow, by any means, but it puts food on the table. Where there's a will, there's a way.

It's that kind of spirit that sets this country apart from all the others.

You can knock us down but we're going to get right back up more determined than ever.

I wish I could put what you have Cartman in a can and pour it over the heads of these shrieking moonbats.

322 freedomplow  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:28:36pm

Minimum wage may have eliminated jobs

Thousands of Americans have lost their jobs in recent months due to the nation's struggling economy, but a new Ball State University study found that increasing the minimum wage last summer may have eliminated an additional 160,000 low-paying positions.

Mike Hicks, director of Ball State's Bureau of Business Research, said there was a slight increase in the nation's unemployment rate in the weeks after July 1, when more than half the country implemented a new federally mandated minimum wage.

"Nationwide, we estimate roughly 160,000 workers did not have jobs available as a consequence of the minimum wage increase," he said. "This includes both jobs lost and those not created. This is important to note because the labor force grew in July, but new jobs did not expand at the same rate as the supply of workers."

323 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:28:48pm

re: #312 Cognito

The door is to you LEFT.

324 Wishing  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:28:53pm

re: #282 realwest

Hey there! That video has been pretty well fisked. But it does give rise to the question of WHY didn't Obama release his medical file - instead of a one page letter from his doctor.
IIRC, McCain, Bush, Kerry and Gore ALL released all of their medical files. Why not Obama?

Maybe they are trying to hide the fact that he has no soul?

325 mama winger  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:28:57pm

re: #307 West Coast Freedom

Here is a photo of Obama and Said together.

thanks!

326 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:29:05pm

re: #302 doriangrey

Oh cog has most assuredly been paying attention. Cog is a part of the liberal/socialist/communist media that has been betraying america for the last 50 years. What cog is doing is playing games. He is doing what the media has done so successfully for decades now. He is playing the victim card in an attempt to manipulate what people think.

Cognito is just an honesty media whore doing his best to report the news thats fit to report. Ayers, news that isnt fit to report. Nothing to see here, move along. We are all fools and right wing nut jobs for thinking that cognito and his fellow travelers should not be thinking for us, after all, they are smarter than us and we really cant be trusted to make the right decision if they dont tell us what the right decisions are.

I really do try not to address people here on the matter of their character. But you have proven yourself, empirically and beyond all question, to be an utter jackass.

1) Name one liberal/socialist/communist opinion of mine. One.

2) I'm not playing the victim card. For the first time ever, that I can remember, I decided to share a small personal anecdote to illustrate my point. I won't do it again.

327 mama winger  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:29:27pm

re: #321 gman

It's that kind of spirit that sets this country apart from all the others.

You can knock us down but we're going to get right back up more determined than ever.

I wish I could put what you have Cartman in a can and pour it over the heads of these shrieking moonbats.

Cartman is a gem.

328 realwest  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:29:29pm

re: #291 arethusa
Well his seeing a shrink wouldn't necessarily hurt him and although I know we smokers are a dirty lot, he's waaay too young to have health problems from smoking - even heavy smoking - at his age, unless he had a pre-existing situation: blood pressure, prior "cardiac" concerns, that sort of thing.
I don't know the real reason and no one except Barry and maybe Michelle and Barry's doctor know WHY Barry didn't open up all of his Medical Records.
I'd sure as hell like to have them disclosed the way McCain opened up ALL of his medical files.

329 doppelganglander  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:29:41pm

re: #289 lone_wolf_in_illinois

All true and good work as far as it goes. However, I believe it goes back further than that. See my post here, and Adina in Jerusalem here and here.

330 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:29:50pm

We just might have an "October surprise" of monumental dimensions brewing overseas.
Sources: Taliban split with al Qaeda, seek peace

LONDON, England (CNN) -- Taliban leaders are holding Saudi-brokered talks with the Afghan government to end the country's bloody conflict -- and are severing their ties with al Qaeda, sources close to the historic discussions have told CNN.

Remember: The big break in Iraq came when AQ's local allies turned on them. The usual disclaimers, cautions, and skepticism should be rigorously applied to this story, but it is not impossible for a similar reversal to happen in Afghan/Pakistan. The locals are probably a bit tired of seeing their young men tramp off on jihad, never to be seen again.
What better way for those seeking leadership of the Taliban, and the resultant Saudi largesse, to demonstrate their good faith than by providing actionable target data on Osama and Mullah Omar?

Conspiracy theorists would go ape-shit if Osama were captured or (perferably) killed just days before the election, but I am quite willing to risk that.

331 Wishing  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:29:55pm

re: #307 West Coast Freedom

Here is a photo of Obama and Said together.

Do we have the transcript of his speech? That would be VERY telling...

332 West Coast Freedom  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:30:35pm

re: #325 mama winger

thanks!

That's one scary pic of Michelle also! LOL

333 mama winger  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:30:43pm

re: #330 Shiplord Kirel

Conspiracy theorists would go ape-shit if Osama were captured or (perferably) killed just days before the election, but I am quite willing to risk that.

Wouldn't that be sumpin

334 Cartman  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:30:43pm

re: #301 realwest

Hiya, R-Dubs! No, it was never directly conveyed to me that way, but I've been around the block a few times. The vibe and the body language painted a pretty clear picture for me as to what was going on. They get around it by telling you you're "over-qualified", and other happy horseshitisms like that. It's just the way it is, these days. I recognized it, and moved on.

335 Nancy  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:31:15pm

re: #314 Racer X

Maybe be they would only have had the current teacher for about a month or so? More likely from previous teachers?

Or even parents.

336 West Coast Freedom  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:31:16pm

re: #331 Wishing

No time to research that one...

337 profitsbeard  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:31:37pm

How Long before Obama calls Ayers a "TYPICAL WHITE TERRORIST"?

338 Scion9  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:31:38pm

re: #222 Cognito

You know what pisses me off more than ABC saying that?

It being true.

There are a lot of morons out there, Racer.

I hear that. Except of course that ABC is obviously trying to spin, and not report. They could just as easily tell us who exactly respects Ayers, and why they respect him. That those that respect him now, respected him and his co-conspirators while they were actively engaged in terrorist activity and actually committing murders. That Bill Ayers is a well respected Professor because of his terrorist activities, and not in spite of it.

The GOP Article is toothless. America is uneducated about the ideology that Ayers represents, and that is rampant among the Campus Politburo in general. Bombing the Pentagon, the Capital, whatever. They don't care. They don't care about 9/11.

The GOP even repeats the lie that the Weather Underground were an 'Anti-War' movement. It quotes the preamble about them being Communists from Prairie Fire at the bottom, but even the label of Communist doesn't have the stigma that it deserves.

Unless Republicans actually start making a real effort at reclaiming the media, engaging in propogandizing like the Dems do and taking back campuses, in this generation, right now, today; we're done.

339 Hard Right  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:31:48pm

I wish the GOP would play the vid of obama saying how he'll disarm America. It wouldn't be a back breaker, but more fuel to a growing fire.

340 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:31:50pm
341 Cicero05  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:31:53pm

re: #330 Shiplord Kirel

Conspiracy theorists would go ape-shit if Osama were captured or (perferably) killed just days before the election, but I am quite willing to risk that.

Obama would take credit for it. After all, it was Obama's opposition to the surge that caused the Iraqis to crack down on Al Qaeda there.

342 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:32:16pm

re: #326 Cognito

I really do try not to address people here on the matter of their character. But you have proven yourself, empirically and beyond all question, to be an utter jackass.

1) Name one liberal/socialist/communist opinion of mine. One.

2) I'm not playing the victim card. For the first time ever, that I can remember, I decided to share a small personal anecdote to illustrate my point. I won't do it again.

On this I agree with Cognito. He is not a socialist and anyone saying he's on the left side of America is in error. I don't always agree with him, but he has always been thought provoking and respectful. We don't always have to move in lockstep.

343 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:32:16pm

My fellow American Lizards-

We don't have to take this shit anymore. We are the alternate media we've been waiting for. Now is the time to engage in the grassroots work the left has been so good at using for years. The media will not help us- we must help ourselves. Spread what we learn to other blogs. Bring info from other blogs here. We already do this well at LGF. Email this stuff. Get a yahoo account and help buzz these stories, or use the other news sharing sites.

Call people, contribute to the RNC and PACs. VOLUNTEER for McCain!

We have time. We can do this. America is worth the effort!

344 mama winger  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:32:51pm

re: #341 Cicero05

Obama would take credit for it. After all, it was Obama's opposition to the surge that caused the Iraqis to crack down on Al Qaeda there.

LOL

345 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:33:11pm

re: #343 Sharmuta

My fellow American Lizards-

We don't have to take this shit anymore. We are the alternate media we've been waiting for. Now is the time to engage in the grassroots work the left has been so good at using for years. The media will not help us- we must help ourselves. Spread what we learn to other blogs. Bring info from other blogs here. We already do this well at LGF. Email this stuff. Get a yahoo account and help buzz these stories, or use the other news sharing sites.

Call people, contribute to the RNC and PACs. VOLUNTEER for McCain!

We have time. We can do this. America is worth the effort!

Damn straight.

346 Cartman  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:33:24pm

re: #321 gman

Thanks for the kind words.

347 looking closely  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:33:29pm

re: #282 realwest

Hey there! That video has been pretty well fisked. But it does give rise to the question of WHY didn't Obama release his medical file - instead of a one page letter from his doctor.

IIRC, McCain, Bush, Kerry and Gore ALL released all of their medical files. Why not Obama?


Obviously, I don't know the truth behind the Larry Sinclair allegations, though from a distance the whole thing smells pretty sleazy, and despite my dislike of Obama, I'm inclined to disbelieve the whole mess.

As to medical files, I've speculated on this before in another post. Why doesn't Obama release his? The short answer is that nobody has compelled him to, but its not inconceivable he's got something to hide. If so, it could be any number of things, significant or insignificant but simply embarassing.

Significant things could be history of homosexual behavior, substance abuse beyond what he has admitted to publically, clinical depression or other psychiatric issues, and/or a laundry list of other major medical illnesses that have never been disclosed publically.

Insignificant, but potentially embarassing things could include history of STD, monorchidism, hemorrhoids, Peyronie disease, etc.

348 stuiec  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:33:34pm

re: #208 Cognito

Right.

Let's blame the media for this.

I'd suggest that the media shoulders a lot of the blame. How many mainstream media outlets have made it clear to the American electorate that Joe Biden misspoke, erred and outright lied in most of his responses in last Thursday's debate with Sarah Palin? CNN seemed more interested in producing a flash poll declaring Biden the winner than in telling its viewers that Biden was flat-out wrong in the very foreign policy matters where he claims vast experience and expertise.

I believe that most mainstream news outlets -- broadcast and print -- have lost interest in presenting facts and truth and have committed to presenting propaganda for Progressive causes.

349 mama winger  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:33:35pm

re: #345 Fat Jolly Penguin

Damn straight.

And worth repeating.

350 Hard Right  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:33:36pm

re: #338 Scion9

I hear that. Except of course that ABC is obviously trying to spin, and not report. They could just as easily tell us who exactly respects Ayers, and why they respect him. That those that respect him now, respected him and his co-conspirators while they were actively engaged in terrorist activity and actually committing murders. That Bill Ayers is a well respected Professor because of his terrorist activities, and not in spite of it.

The GOP Article is toothless. America is uneducated about the ideology that Ayers represents, and that is rampant among the Campus Politburo in general. Bombing the Pentagon, the Capital, whatever. They don't care. They don't care about 9/11.

The GOP even repeats the lie that the Weather Underground were an 'Anti-War' movement. It quotes the preamble about them being Communists from Prairie Fire at the bottom, but even the label of Communist doesn't have the stigma that it deserves.

Unless Republicans actually start making a real effort at reclaiming the media, engaging in propogandizing like the Dems do and taking back campuses, in this generation, right now, today; we're done.

We don't need propaganda. We need only to tell the truth-loudly anf forcefully.

351 krycek  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:33:51pm

re: #243 pat

It is always difficult watching Colmes. His blind defense of outrageously stupid talking points evidence a robotic, uncreative mind.

Agreed. It's also uncreative to be compelled to present opposing viewpoints even when that leads to the absurdly "stoopid" realm. It's like Bizarro world, Htrea. "Us do opposite of all Earthly things!"

352 Adina in Judea  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:33:53pm

re: #320 JacksonTn

I have never heard that before ....... I wonder if Obama has ever been asked about Said. If we could get a look at his Columbia crap we might find out but that is locked up.

There's a famous photograph of Obama and Michelle with Edward Said where Obama is listening intently to Edward Said at a dinner table after Said had given a speech.

Obama has been quoted as saying that he never saw the Middle East conflict the same way after listening to Edward Said.

Edward Said created the "Palestinian Narrative" lie that invented an entire people never recorded in history but with an eerily similar flavor as the well known Jewish people (i.e., 'an ancient people longing for their homeland.')

This is the view Obama sees now and it's a murderous lie.

Photo:

Barack Obama and Edward Said

353 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:34:28pm

re: #326 Cognito

I really do try not to address people here on the matter of their character. But you have proven yourself, empirically and beyond all question, to be an utter jackass.

1) Name one liberal/socialist/communist opinion of mine. One.

2) I'm not playing the victim card. For the first time ever, that I can remember, I decided to share a small personal anecdote to illustrate my point. I won't do it again.

You are in the fucking media.... Case closed............... You are nothing less than Dan Rather........A pathetic caricature of a human being. Always denying culpability, always blaming someone else, always trying to divert attention from the important to the crisis of the moment. Fuck you cognito you are the scum of the earth, you and all of your media whore brethren.

354 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:34:34pm

re: #303 Racer X

I keep shaking my head and wondering the same thing.

Boomers (mental adolescents), Boomer's kids (narcissistic, media-focused, don't know any better, Obama is "cool"), an education system that has failed to teach people to think critically about what they see on television, and billions injected into the media-industrial complex in a broad AND deep campaign to generate an image of Obama as Normal and Desireable.

Eight years of an insular, tone-deaf, passive-aggressive, easily pigeonholed frat-boy President who's favorite hobby is blowing off his own foot with a shotgun, hasn't helped either.

355 Adina in Judea  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:34:46pm

re: #352 Adina in Judea

The photo of Obama and Edward Said is near the bottom of the page.

356 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:35:43pm

re: #330 Shiplord Kirel

Conspiracy theorists would go ape-shit if Osama were captured or (perferably) killed just days before the election, but I am quite willing to risk that.

Well, the political implications of that might not be so favorable.

"War's over. Won't it be cool to have the first black President? And Obama says he's going to bring all the troops home."

357 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:35:50pm
358 mama winger  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:36:12pm

Okay - I'm off to bed. Tomorrow I start at Republican HQ

I need my rest . I got ass to kick.

g'nite :)

359 laZardo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:36:14pm

re: #340 Fat Jolly Penguin

Parents with kids in Iraq/Afghanistan should use that line on the hecklers they get. Awesome.

360 realwest  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:36:17pm

re: #315 laZardo
Hey there laZardo! IIRC, the Equal Opportunity Law provides, in relevant part, that no one may be discriminated against because of [buncha other things] or age unless those [buncha other things] or age prevents someone from doing the job being sought.
I don't remember the EOL as being limited to those
UNDER 40 - respectfully - and I'm too tired to research it now, but limiting protection to those under 40 can't be right; those under 40 are not discriminated against; those over 50 are, and rather routinely.

361 Cartman  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:36:53pm

re: #358 mama winger

Go get 'em, Mama! Weet dreams, and all.

362 West Coast Freedom  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:37:07pm

re: #352 Adina in Judea

See my post #307

363 laZardo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:37:33pm

re: #343 Sharmuta

The alternative media are the progressive blogs working tirelessly to continue exposing the right-wing lies continuously passed over by the sensationalist media for trivial matters!

/

//srsly, even the left hate the MSM...though for different reasons...

364 Aisha  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:37:33pm

Wassallam kufr,

Aisha does not know what all this is about with the Ayers stuff. I mean, Aisha used to help al-Raintissi with his his wheelchair and a certain Palistinian brother was paediatrician to six of her children, Allah be praised. Next, you Muslimah-hating kufr will be saying that AIsha is unfit for public office. Which is ridiculous, like saying that Yasir Arafat was a terrorist when plainly he was not.

Now, praise Allah, there are indeed questions about Obama, but they are different ones. Should he not be executed for the sharee crime of apostasy? Why does he let his wife dress like a transexual hooker from Sodom-by-the-sea? Is it true that Mrs Obama wears a strap-on-front-private-part, and gives Obama the buttfuckual experience, while he yelps like a hyena and she roars like a liion? All of these things would be most haraam, and desering of death penalties in any decent country, but in your perverted country, it is all allowed to happen. That is not to say Aisha is endorsing the Elephanties. They are persecuters of the Muslims and must pay for their crimes. Aisha says the choice for Muslims is to:

1. Change "Obama" to "Osama" and vote for him. Or

2. Strap on the old martyrdom vest and give the kufr the Tel Aviv treatment.

Allahu Akhbar.

365 Adina in Judea  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:37:56pm

re: #362 West Coast Freedom

Thanks!

366 looking closely  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:37:59pm

re: #314 Racer X

I would bet $100 that teacher was a big fan of Lennon and Yoko, and had previously discussed their wonderful contributions to society.


Bingo. Kids are smart that way. . .

I bet if you asked 100 RANDOM school-aged children who Lennon and Ono were, you'd probably get no more than 10 correct answers (and maybe fewer, depending on where you did the asking).

367 zombie  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:38:11pm

Just looked at the GOP Ayers page.

Devastating!

I was thinking that I was going to have to put together an Ayers portfolio myself, an all-in-one stop to prove he was a murderous communist and that Obama had an association with him. The info is out there, so it wouldn't be that hard. But...

The GOP has already done it for me! For once, they picked up the ball.

Palin needs to hammer Obama into the ground with titanium tent spikes over this. Just keep hammering and hammering until election day.

Palin needs to say to the MSM: "You insist on having presss conferences with me? On interviewing me? You claim I'm avoiding you? Well, that phase is over. Let's do it." And then answer EVERY SINGLE QUESTION with a crushing and irrefutable reference to the Obama-Ayers relationship.

The MSM would back off before you could say Jack Sprat. Palin: "Hey guys, come back! You said you wanted to talk to me. Just like Obama talked to Bill Ayers in meeting after meeting at the Anneberg Challenge! Come back!"

368 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:38:55pm

re: #329 doppelganglander

All true and good work as far as it goes. However, I believe it goes back further than that. See my post here, and Adina in Jerusalem here and here.

Good stuff, would like to get my hands on some photos of BHO "palling around" with those guys also!

369 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:38:55pm

Remember, gang, the problem with the media isn't really bias; it is the pretense of being unbiased in order to peddle an agenda to a gullible public.
The Daily Worker and Rush Limbaugh are both "media," for example, but nobody sane faults them for their biases; they are up front about it. ABC and the NYT are nowhere near as far to the left as Daily Worker, but I condemn them for their bias because they deny that bias, at least in news coverage, and advance their agenda by distorting what is alleged to be objective news.

370 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:39:11pm

re: #307 West Coast Freedom

Here is a photo of Obama and Said together.

I am not Jewish but I do not understand why Jews are voting for Obama. It seems like he has no problem at all surrounding himself with people who would love to see the end of Israel.

371 laZardo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:39:31pm

re: #360 realwest

"Age under 40" is what it said on the application when I tried to apply for part-time work back in the States to pay for community college while I was living in Sacramento. Then again they usually favored those "high-school kids on summer break." Having two countries' worth of education (took my K-12 here in Manila) is apparently being overqualified.

Unless I'm running for President. q;

372 The Shadow Do  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:39:42pm

re: #296 mama winger

This is exactly it.

We have terrorists across the ocean thinking the US is evil and must be stopped.

Obama's friends and ass-ociates agree.


Why is this election even close.

Many/most Americans are tired of the war(s), tanking 401K's, and high gas prices. That's about it. "change" sounds real good. They will even elect a Communist.

The idea of offering some vague higher, more noble vision is a dead end proposal with the persuadables.

Unless the McCain campaign can properly frighten folks (and they should) this is a big loser year for conservatives.

373 laZardo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:40:09pm

re: #367 zombie

But how do we know this isn't just GOP disinformation used to distract us from TEH ISSUES!

/typo intended [;

374 Moe Katz  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:40:13pm

re: #367 zombie

Just looked at the GOP Ayers page.

Devastating!

I was thinking that I was going to have to put together an Ayers portfolio myself, an all-in-one stop to prove he was a murderous communist and that Obama had an association with him. The info is out there, so it wouldn't be that hard. But...

The GOP has already done it for me! For once, they picked up the ball.

Palin needs to hammer Obama into the ground with titanium tent spikes over this. Just keep hammering and hammering until election day.

Palin needs to say to the MSM: "You insist on having presss conferences with me? On interviewing me? You claim I'm avoiding you? Well, that phase is over. Let's do it." And then answer EVERY SINGLE QUESTION with a crushing and irrefutable reference to the Obama-Ayers relationship.

The MSM would back off before you could say Jack Sprat. Palin: "Hey guys, come back! You said you wanted to talk to me. Just like Obama talked to Bill Ayers in meeting after meeting at the Anneberg Challenge! Come back!"

Looks like she gets put on trial by the liberal media for 'mudslinging,' while the substance of her accusations gets ignored. Still, no alternative to hammering at it....

375 Nancy  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:40:28pm

I'll put in a word of defense for Cognito. It's tough the first time someone experiences being laid off --either self or someone close. Since it was only a few days ago, there is a period of adjustment.

It is one of those "life event" experiences that isn't pleasant and we don't know the situation and circumstances of the person.

I am cutting he/she some slack.

I have known persons who were laid off just short of retirement and they lost their medical benefits and had a spouse or child who required medical care. So, there are circumstances that can make it a hardship and more of a difficulty for a company to hire.

376 realwest  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:40:31pm

re: #327 mama winger
So are you {mama}, so are you!

377 Archimedes  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:40:32pm

Okay, enough about terrorists.

A little culture for the peeps.

These ladies may be amateurs, but what pretty voices:

378 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:41:13pm

re: #342 Dark_Falcon

On this I agree with Cognito. He is not a socialist and anyone saying he's on the left side of America is in error. I don't always agree with him, but he has always been thought provoking and respectful. We don't always have to move in lockstep.

Bullshit. I've read enough of cognito's posts to know that he is as slimy a fucking weasel as they come. Always making posts full of misleading double speak flashing smoke and mirrors. He is a deceitful disingenuous intellectually dishonest snake in the grass. And those are his good points.

379 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:41:53pm

re: #364 Aisha

Well, if it isn't LGF's own flower of the ummah.

Long time no see.

Of course, nobody can see you with that Hefty bag on over your head.

380 Desert Dog  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:42:56pm

re: #371 laZardo

Hey Zardo, my asawa is from Pampanga, where are you? Manila?

381 Adina in Judea  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:43:00pm

re: #370 JacksonTn

I am not Jewish but I do not understand why Jews are voting for Obama. It seems like he has no problem at all surrounding himself with people who would love to see the end of Israel.

Liberal Jews are just as brainwashed as any other moonbats.

Orthodox Jews in America are mostly Republicans, though. Republican Jews are voting for McCain/Palin.

I've seen polls indicating that Jews in New York are turning against Obama in surprising numbers, so there may be some awareness of Obama's real feelings against Israel among more Jews than most of us realize yet.

382 Hard Right  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:43:51pm

re: #378 doriangrey

Bullshit. I've read enough of cognito's posts to know that he is as slimy a fucking weasel as they come. Always making posts full of misleading double speak flashing smoke and mirrors. He is a deceitful disingenuous intellectually dishonest snake in the grass. And those are his good points.

His techniques seem to be

I never said that
He attacks a strawman of what you said
Plays the victim
Blames anyone but the media.

383 Archimedes  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:43:57pm

re: #377 Archimedes

Okay, enough about terrorists.

A little culture for the peeps.

These ladies may be amateurs, but what pretty voices:
[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Some of you may remember that from this scene in Shawshank Redemption:

384 Wishing  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:44:09pm

re: #369 Shiplord Kirel

Remember, gang, the problem with the media isn't really bias; it is the pretense of being unbiased in order to peddle an agenda to a gullible public.
The Daily Worker and Rush Limbaugh are both "media," for example, but nobody sane faults them for their biases; they are up front about it. ABC and the NYT are nowhere near as far to the left as Daily Worker, but I condemn them for their bias because they deny that bias, at least in news coverage, and advance their agenda by distorting what is alleged to be objective news.

here here!

385 Cartman  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:44:18pm

re: #371 laZardo

Hey, there's an idea! I'm gonna run for POTUS! They can't nail me with that "over-qualified" shit, and now that being under-qualified is just fine and dandy with a crapload of Americans, I've got a damn good shot at 'er!

386 laZardo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:45:07pm

re: #380 Desert Dog

QC, lodged between ABS-CBN and GMA-7. Being driven insane seeing Richard Gutierrez's pretty face on everything.

387 doppelganglander  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:45:44pm

Just when you thought Bill Ayers couldn't get any lower, look at this: Bill Ayers, Accessory to Rape.

Warning: absolutely disgusting and offensive.

388 pat  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:45:45pm

re: #317 Sharmuta

You smell fine.

389 HelloDare  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:46:05pm

They didn't mention that the Annenberg Challenge gave money to Ayers' causes -- and that Obama and Ayers worked together to give money do radical groups. Why did Obama get the position in the first place?

390 Scion9  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:46:21pm

re: #271 avspatti


I will tell you how we got here.

As a young product of our Public Education system, I completely agree. My other young Conservative/Libertarian friends are confounded by the malaise they see in our peers and among otherwise intelligent individuals.

I ask them going through Public schools, did you read Common Sense by Thomas Paine? How about John Locke's 2nd Treatise? The Federalist Papers? The Anti-Federalist Papers? The history of the Cold War? Any mention at all of the Cold War?

The overwhelming majority of respondents answer 'No' across the board. Some of them do not recall having read the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution, and had only done so independently, on their own time.

391 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:46:54pm

re: #382 Hard Right

His techniques seem to be

I never said that
He attacks a strawman of what you said
Plays the victim
Blames anyone but the media.

Exactly and none of us are (according to him) smart enough to see what he's doing. We're just paranoid right wing nut jobs who should shut the hell up and let him do our thinking for us.

392 doppelganglander  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:47:10pm

re: #364 Aisha

Aisha! Long time no see! How are you doing, now that the Saudis require women to cover one eye so they can't flirt?

393 Nancy  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:47:14pm

re: #364 Aisha

Aisha, nice to see you back.
Thought maybe you were holed up with our American Traitor Al Qaeda poster boy.

394 TheMatrix31  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:47:54pm

re: #387 doppelganglander

Just when you thought Bill Ayers couldn't get any lower, look at this: Bill Ayers, Accessory to Rape.

Warning: absolutely disgusting and offensive.

Is this provable? Not that I'd be surprised but rape is a pretty heavy charge.

395 The Shadow Do  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:48:01pm

re: #330 Shiplord Kirel

We just might have an "October surprise" of monumental dimensions brewing overseas.
Sources: Taliban split with al Qaeda, seek peace

Remember: The big break in Iraq came when AQ's local allies turned on them. The usual disclaimers, cautions, and skepticism should be rigorously applied to this story, but it is not impossible for a similar reversal to happen in Afghan/Pakistan. The locals are probably a bit tired of seeing their young men tramp off on jihad, never to be seen again.
What better way for those seeking leadership of the Taliban, and the resultant Saudi largesse, to demonstrate their good faith than by providing actionable target data on Osama and Mullah Omar?

Conspiracy theorists would go ape-shit if Osama were captured or (perferably) killed just days before the election, but I am quite willing to risk that.

I think your on to the the plan, Shiplord. Afghan victory probably looks something like this. they can have their very own shit hole, just leave the rest of the world out of it.

396 realwest  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:48:03pm

re: #348 stuiec
I agree with you on the MSM failing to do it's job - for a long, long time.
What I don't understand is why is everyone blaming Cognito for this? Cause he works in/for some part of the MSM?!
That just isn't fair to blame Cognito for the failures of the MSM collectively.

397 laZardo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:48:12pm

re: #387 doppelganglander

"It's not rape! It was sexual exploration like what was going on in the 60s!"

/HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH

398 reggie  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:48:31pm