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Open | Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 9:38:06 pm PDT

A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant and the crazy crazier.

H. L. Mencken

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1 zombie  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:38:49pm
A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant and the crazy crazier.

A prescient glimpse into the moonbat-MSM relationship!

2 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:39:19pm
A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant and the crazy crazier.

I agree. It's fit only for kindling.

3 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:39:23pm
A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant and the crazy crazier.

— H. L. Mencken

Thus truly spake a newspaperman.

4 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:39:45pm

What's a newspaper?

/

5 laZardo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:41:10pm

I play newspaper Sudoku and I resent that!

/ q;

//A newspaper TV news show is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant and the crazy crazier.

6 zombie  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:41:18pm

1938 edition:

A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant and the crazy crazier.

2008 edition:

A newspaper is a device for spewing leftist propaganda like an overflowing septic tank.
7 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:41:31pm

re: #4 lone_wolf_in_illinois

They're like blogs without the fact checking or accountability.

8 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:42:04pm

I just replaced my old Mencken quote today.

9 wee fury  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:43:46pm

The New York Times belongs in an outhouse.

10 zombie  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:45:00pm

re: #9 wee fury

The New York Times belongs in an outhouse.

What do you have against outhouses?

11 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:45:28pm

My parrot refused to shit on our local lib fish-wrapper. He said it wasn't worthy of such an honor.

12 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:45:44pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

They're like blogs without the fact checking or accountability.

Unfortunately newspapers are still the very best we've got.

Painful, I know, but there it is. Television is a joke. Blogs have no money.

The trick is finding a good paper and learning its strengths and weaknesses. I suggest starting with the Wall Street Journal, which I'll say -- again -- did its level best to warn of the current financial implosion, for years.

13 Charles  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:45:56pm

Less than 9,000 comments to go until #6M. Could happen tomorrow night.

14 Desert Dog  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:46:01pm

re: #6 zombie


1938 edition:

A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant and the crazy crazier.

2008 edition:

A newspaper is a device for spewing leftist propaganda like an overflowing septic tank. - (BUT, act like they are mainstream and unbiased)

15 laZardo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:46:18pm

re: #10 zombie

And I keep forgetting why they call it "WC" in Europe.

/srsly

16 Max Darkside  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:46:46pm

re: #11 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

My parrot refused to shit on our local lib fish-wrapper. He said it wasn't worthy of such an honor.

Just Poop!

17 wee fury  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:46:58pm

re: #10 zombie

;-)

18 zombie  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:47:19pm

re: #9 wee fury

outhouse.

True story:

When I was a child, I had never actually heard anyone say the word outhouse: so the first time I encountered it in print, I thought it was some kind of French word, pronounced "O-thooz."

19 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:47:20pm
The lunatic is in the hall
The lunatics are in the hall
The paper holds their folded faces to the floor
And every day
The paper boy brings more
--Pink Floyd, Brain Damage
21 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:48:22pm
A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant and the crazy crazier.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

22 zombie  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:48:22pm

re: #15 laZardo

And I keep forgetting why they call it "WC" in Europe.

/srsly

The initials for Water Closet.

23 laZardo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:48:45pm

re: #22 zombie

Thanks. (:

24 Max Darkside  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:48:50pm

re: #18 zombie

True story:

When I was a child, I had never actually heard anyone say the word outhouse: so the first time I encountered it in print, I thought it was some kind of French word, pronounced "O-thooz."

I thought o-thooz is what you dip those roast beef sandwiches into.

25 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:49:30pm

re: #19 Dar ul Harb

I thought that was from "Dark Side Of The Moon". Guess I'm too young.

26 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:49:41pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

They're like blogs without the fact checking or accountability.

Ouch!

27 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:49:50pm

re: #18 zombie

True story:

When I was a child, I had never actually heard anyone say the word outhouse: so the first time I encountered it in print, I thought it was some kind of French word, pronounced "O-thooz."

For several years, I thought awry was pronounced OW-REE

28 laZardo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:49:56pm
29 Bobibutu  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:50:30pm

Lizard meet/party - Lizards and mates.

Sunday 26th of Oct. 11 am - 3 pm

Walnut Creek, CA 94595

25 miles East of San Francisco.

Locals and Nomads welcome.

BYOB and a pot luck if you wish.

Bring what ever food you wish to cook.

World class kitchen available. BBQ grills. Picnic area.

BBQ briquettes provided.

Heated swimming pool. Bring your suits. Changing rooms etc. available.

We have the ground floor of a 1930s Mansion/museum and outdoor patio reserved.

If it rains we have indoors - if not we have both.

My Halloween treat and thanks to LGF - so no cost to you.

Email for directions and location - secure, private, gated/guarded community.

Plenty of parking ... 100+.

For those that are paranoid & suspicious this is a leftist setup - 6 of us have already met once in SF.

RawMuse hosted that one.

We all like each other.

I volunteered to host the next meet.

This is it.

30 Maximu§  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:52:52pm

I bought a new Mustang several months back and I should have waited for this:

2009 Dodge Challenger r/t

31 Moe Katz  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:53:28pm

re: #18 zombie

True story:

When I was a child, I had never actually heard anyone say the word outhouse: so the first time I encountered it in print, I thought it was some kind of French word, pronounced "O-thooz."

It's a useful word for finding out who's a Canadian.

32 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:54:35pm

re: #6 zombie

2008 edition:

A newspaper is a device for spewing leftist propaganda like an overflowing septic tank.

Not to mention junking up your house with stuff you read on the Internet yesterday for free.

33 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:54:40pm

re: #25 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I thought that was from "Dark Side Of The Moon". Guess I'm too young.

ROTFLMAO.................. "Brain Damage" is a song off the album "Dark Side Of The Moon".......

34 profitsbeard  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:54:51pm

"A newspaper is a place to combine horoscopes and half truths in order to provide a fish with a flexible coffin.."
-Charles Foster Kane.

35 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:55:12pm

re: #32 Dar ul Harb

Not to mention junking up your house with stuff you read on the Internet yesterday for free.

See post 12, though.

36 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:56:02pm

re: #30 Maximu§

I bought a new Mustang several months back and I should have waited for this:

2009 Dodge Challenger r/t

Kinda looks like the baby of a 60's Challenger and a 60's Camaro.

37 Max Darkside  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:56:17pm

re: #30 Maximu§

I bought a new Mustang several months back and I should have waited for this:

2009 Dodge Challenger r/t

I had an '04 Cobra... Loved it. 5 speed stick, posi with really sticky tires. Only 2 cars faster that year, upper-end Corvette and the Viper. 0-60 in just over 4 seconds and at 135 MPH, it was like a dream.

38 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:56:31pm

It bothers me that there are so many gullible (stupid?) people in America that actually believe in the hope and change hokum that obama, the snakeoil salesman, has sold.

39 Archimedes  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:56:39pm

re: #13 Charles

Less than 9,000 comments to go until #6M. Could happen tomorrow night.

Hope it's not me. I hate that kind of attention.

40 victor_yugo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:56:53pm

re: #27 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And I thought "anxiety" was pronounced "ank-shetty." You know, like "anxious" is pronounced "ank-shuss".

41 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:56:53pm

re: #33 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO.................. "Brain Damage" is a song off the album "Dark Side Of The Moon".......

Thought that was the song. See? Too young! : )

42 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:57:14pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

They're like blogs without the fact checking or accountability.

K-T -

With a far larger Environmental Impact/Carbon Footprint.

-S-

43 winston06  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:57:38pm

have a great night every one

44 Max Darkside  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:58:00pm

re: #42 Dr. Shalit

K-T -

With a far larger Environmental Impact/Carbon Footprint.


Not to mention the carbon fingerprints...

45 solomonpanting  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:58:01pm

Early in life I had noticed that no event is ever correctly reported in a newspaper.
George Orwell

46 doppelganglander  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:58:03pm

re: #27 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

For several years, I thought awry was pronounced OW-REE

I thought melancholy was pronounced "mel-ANCH-o-lee."

47 Moe Katz  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:58:05pm

re: #43 winston06

Goodnight, Winston.

48 Purple Prose  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:58:14pm

Obama's friend and collaborator's timeless exultation:

Guilty as hell, free as a bird—America is a great country.

[Link: www.city-journal.org...]

49 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:58:50pm

re: #33 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO.................. "Brain Damage" is a song off the album "Dark Side Of The Moon".......

I've always wondered what's the title of that intrumental piece they always play after Layla.

/

50 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:59:45pm

re: #49 Dar ul Harb

I've always wondered what's the title of that intrumental piece they always play after Layla.

/

Layla Part Deux?

51 brickthruplateglasswindow  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:59:52pm

re: #13 Charles

Less than 9,000 comments to go until #6M. Could happen tomorrow night.

Do I smell an ID thread for tomorrow's line-up?

52 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:00:06pm

re: #35 Cognito

I can still get news from the Wall Street Journal online and for free. Face it- newspapers are dinosaurs. I was even able to convince my boss to stop buying the paper because he could get it online for free. Besides- the paper is literally yesterdays news. The net's here to stay and it's the only way "newspapers" are going to stay relevant.

53 victor_yugo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:01:03pm

Supposedly true story:

A representative of Pravda was going from town to town, finding out ways in which the newspaper could serve the citizens better. In one town, some wag asked the question: "Could you use lighter ink?"

The Pravda representative, puzzled, asked, "What's wrong with the ink we use now?"

The wag answered, "We all have black asses!"

(He was made to answer for his smart remark the next day at work.)

54 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:01:07pm

re: #52 Sharmuta

I can still get news from the Wall Street Journal online and for free. Face it- newspapers are dinosaurs. I was even able to convince my boss to stop buying the paper because he could get it online for free. Besides- the paper is literally yesterdays news. The net's here to stay and it's the only way "newspapers" are going to stay relevant.

Sorry, no. Those wonderful WSJ stories you can get online are paid for by the print side.

Post 12 still stands.

55 Maximu§  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:01:39pm

re: #37 Max Darkside

I had an '04 Cobra... Loved it. 5 speed stick, posi with really sticky tires. Only 2 cars faster that year, upper-end Corvette and the Viper. 0-60 in just over 4 seconds and at 135 MPH, it was like a dream.

Story of my life...I have a new 08 Mustang in the garage, but I don't want it anymore. This new Dodge Challenger looks awesome.

56 solomonpanting  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:01:40pm

I keep reading between the lies.
Goodman Ace

57 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:01:58pm

re: #41 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

"Dark Side Of The Moon" the song is actually "Eclipse"

58 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:02:29pm

Goodnight you all.

59 victor_yugo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:03:24pm

re: #45 solomonpanting

His Homage to Catalonia is an outstanding read, not only for the war-front experiences, but also for insight into his own politics and self-criticisms.

60 Bobibutu  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:03:48pm

re: #52 Sharmuta

I can still get news from the Wall Street Journal online and for free. Face it- newspapers are dinosaurs. I was even able to convince my boss to stop buying the paper because he could get it online for free. Besides- the paper is literally yesterdays news. The net's here to stay and it's the only way "newspapers" are going to stay relevant.

Filtered thru a "Star Chamber" of editors each with their own agendas.

61 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:03:50pm

re: #54 Cognito

Whatever. As the tide continues to flow towards online media distribution, that will change.

62 Max Darkside  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:04:42pm

re: #55 Maximu§

Story of my life...I have a new 08 Mustang in the garage, but I don't want it anymore. This new Dodge Challenger looks awesome.

Nice looking, and it has 1/4 mile and 0-60 timers along with an accelerometer on-board, but notice the times they show. 1/4 mile in over 13s?! 0-60 at almost 5s? I think it might be heavy, slowing it down.

63 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:04:42pm

re: #36 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Kinda looks like the baby of a 60's Challenger and a 60's Camaro.

OMD -

That's because, when new, the 1970 Challenger and Barracuda looked like artfully chopped and channeled 1969 Camaros. Owned a 1970 Challenger, small block Mopar V-8, fun car for is day.

-S-

64 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:04:57pm

re: #57 Dar ul Harb

"Dark Side Of The Moon" the song is actually "Eclipse"

Geez, now I'm REALLY confused! Guess I'll take a Pink Floyd and watch the room spin and change colors.

65 soccerdad  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:05:06pm

re: #20 Wyatt Earp

Cop-killing scumbag Mumia abu Jamal gets fisted by the SCOTUS. Heh.

Amen. I say to you....Amen

66 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:05:18pm

re: #60 Bobibutu

Hey- I was just glad I got him to quit openly paying for the paper. It was my little way of striking back at the drive by media.

67 DeafDog  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:05:19pm

re: #52 Sharmuta

I can still get news from the Wall Street Journal online and for free. Face it- newspapers are dinosaurs. I was even able to convince my boss to stop buying the paper because he could get it online for free. Besides- the paper is literally yesterdays news. The net's here to stay and it's the only way "newspapers" are going to stay relevant.

All true, but I still enjoy Sunday morning "newspaper" time.

68 Irene NYC  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:05:23pm

cognito

And someone very, very, very close to me just lost his job when the media company he worked for closed its doors last week.

I feel your pain.

69 Cartman  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:05:24pm

re: #13 Charles

Less than 9,000 comments to go until #6M. Could happen tomorrow night.

I think everyone should stop typing with one to go, and let you do the honors.

70 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:05:34pm

re: #61 Sharmuta

Whatever. As the tide continues to flow towards online media distribution, that will change.

"Whatever" doesn't quite do it, I'm afraid. Someone has to first figure out how to make the model work.

No one has.

71 Timbre  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:06:31pm

John Gage, President of the American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE) stated, "But polling shows that only 55 percent of union members right now, support Obama. [...] Why then is it close? Many, including me, think race. Union leaders have felt the sting of anonymous e-mails and coded language at union meetings."

No, Mr. Gage, 45 percent of your members do not support Obama because they know he is a socialist and a hater of America. The only America he loves is a fantasy "peoples' republic" of which he and his cronies rule through intimidation and transfer of wealth from workers and capitalists to parasites and socialists.

72 Max Darkside  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:06:36pm

re: #63 Dr. Shalit

OMD -

That's because, when new, the 1970 Challenger and Barracuda looked like artfully chopped and channeled 1969 Camaros. Owned a 1970 Challenger, small block Mopar V-8, fun car for is day.

-S-

I had a 68 GTO, back in the day... Damn fun to drive, but didn't have posi, so I couldn't git roaring until doing over 30MPH, else just burn rubber.

73 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:06:49pm

re: #62 Max Darkside

Nice looking, and it has 1/4 mile and 0-60 timers along with an accelerometer on-board, but notice the times they show. 1/4 mile in over 13s?! 0-60 at almost 5s? I think it might be heavy, slowing it down.

But is it a Hemi?

74 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:07:15pm

re: #70 Cognito

You mean like the model of being biased to the point of losing viewers and readers? Because I'd say that model is working just swimmingly, isn't it?

75 Bobibutu  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:07:32pm

re: #66 Sharmuta

Hey- I was just glad I got him to quit openly paying for the paper. It was my little way of striking back at the drive by media.

Good on ya. Keep it up.

76 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:07:36pm

re: #68 Irene NYC

cognito

And someone very, very, very close to me just lost his job when the media company he worked for closed its doors last week.

I feel your pain.

Thanks Irene. For what it's worth, my person wasn't in the media. But you're right that the media is taking it on the chin.

77 Macker  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:07:42pm

re: #20 Wyatt Earp

So when will they execute the son of a bitch?

78 redc1c4  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:07:51pm

re: #49 Dar ul Harb

I've always wondered what's the title of that intrumental piece they always play after Layla.

/

on the LP or in concert?

79 Irene NYC  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:07:57pm

re: #70 Cognito

"Whatever" doesn't quite do it, I'm afraid. Someone has to first figure out how to make the model work.

No one has.


It's really the problem, isn't it? And it ain't being solved by the internet.

80 Max Darkside  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:08:06pm

re: #73 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

But is it a Hemi?

That's what it says, ya.

81 solomonpanting  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:08:28pm

re: #59 victor_yugo

I might have to check it out. Thanks.

82 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:08:37pm

re: #74 Sharmuta

You mean like the model of being biased to the point of losing viewers and readers? Because I'd say that model is working just swimmingly, isn't it?

If you want to change the subject, that's fine. We were talking about the Wall Street Journal, though.

83 looking closely  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:09:08pm

re: #30 Maximu§

I bought a new Mustang several months back and I should have waited for this:

2009 Dodge Challenger r/t


Its essentially identical to the Dodge Charger, just cut down a few inches and with two doors instead of four.

If you have to go there, save your money for the new Camaro.

84 pat  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:09:15pm

A 'newspaper' is designed to make those that agree with it's slant, pay for the privilege.

85 brickthruplateglasswindow  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:09:28pm

re: #70 Cognito

"Whatever" doesn't quite do it, I'm afraid. Someone has to first figure out how to make the model work.

No one has.

For a modest consulting fee up front and an airtight NDA, I'd share a few things that haven't been tried.

:)

86 rawmuse  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:09:33pm

Newspapers are inversely informational. You take what you read, invert it 180 degrees, arrive at something closer to the truth.

87 DesertSage  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:09:34pm

Does anyone have any Cheezy Poofs?

88 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:10:03pm

re: #85 brickthruplateglasswindow

For a modest consulting fee up front and an airtight NDA, I'd share a few things that haven't been tried.

:)

Ha. You might be surprised who'd pay.

89 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:10:12pm

re: #78 redc1c4

on the LP or in concert?

Note the /sarc tag.

90 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:10:22pm

re: #80 Max Darkside

That's what it says, ya.

Cool. I was never much of a Mopar fan.

91 Maximu§  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:10:36pm

re: #73 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

But is it a Hemi?

The 6.1 litre version puts out 425hp.

92 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:10:46pm

re: #82 Cognito

I think you mean you're talking about the Wall Street Journal. I'm talking about newspapers and TV networks.

93 pat  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:11:11pm

re: #87 DesertSage

Hawaiian Chop Steak, Sweet Corn on the cob, white rice, Japanese pickles, here. Sorry

94 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:11:31pm

re: #83 looking closely

Its essentially identical to the Dodge Charger, just cut down a few inches and with two doors instead of four.

If you have to go there, save your money for the new Camaro.

4 door Dodge Charger? HUH?

95 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:11:34pm

re: #84 pat

A 'newspaper' is designed to make those that agree with it's slant, pay for the privilege.

That's a keeper, pat.

96 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:11:36pm

re: #73 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

But is it a Hemi?

OMD -

Yuppers, the new variety with 16 spark plugs and SMP Fuel Injection with "small block" displacement.

-S-

97 brickthruplateglasswindow  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:11:36pm

re: #88 Cognito

Ha. You might be surprised who'd pay.

I'm surprised at who won't pay. :)

98 Irene NYC  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:11:57pm

Did I see Aisha on the previous thread or were my eyes deceiving me?
;)

99 Macker  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:12:03pm

re: #97 brickthruplateglasswindow

I'm surprised at who won't pay. :)


Harpo's mother?

100 Maximu§  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:12:08pm

re: #83 looking closely

Its essentially identical to the Dodge Charger, just cut down a few inches and with two doors instead of four.

If you have to go there, save your money for the new Camaro.

I'm so tired of waiting for that Camero, I was ready to buy it when Transformers came out.

101 victor_yugo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:12:38pm

re: #91 Maximu§

At least it puts out. Which is more than I can say for the last 3 women I dated...

/rimshot

102 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:12:48pm

re: #91 Maximu§

The 6.1 litre version puts out 425hp.

So does my Prius.
/

103 redc1c4  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:12:59pm

re: #89 Dar ul Harb

Note the /sarc tag.

nevermind......

104 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:13:03pm

re: #92 Sharmuta

I think you mean you're talking about the Wall Street Journal. I'm talking about newspapers and TV networks.

Huh. Guess I was thrown off when you said, "I can still get news from the Wall Street Journal online and for free. Face it- newspapers are dinosaurs."

Sorry.

105 Bobibutu  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:13:36pm

re: #91 Maximu§

The 6.1 litre version puts out 425hp.

Sounds like it's time for this one again ...
Enjoy.

"DEFINITION OF ACCELERATION"

One top fuel dragster 500 cubic inch Hemi engine makes more horsepower
than the first 4 rows of stock cars at the Daytona 500.

Under full throttle, a dragster engine consumes 1-1/2 gallons of nitro
methane per second; a fully loaded 747 consumes jet fuel at the same
rate with 25% less energy being produced.

A stock Dodge Hemi V8 engine cannot produce enough power to drive the
dragster's supercharger.

With 3,000 CFM of air being rammed in by the supercharger on overdrive,
the fuel mixture is compressed into a near-solid form before ignition.

Cylinders run on the verge of hydraulic lock at full throttle.

At the stoichiometric (stoichiometry: methodology and technology by
which quantities of reactants and products in chemical reactions are
determined) 1.7:1 air/fuel mixture of nitro methane, the flame front
temperature measures 7,050 deg F.

Nitro methane burns yellow. The spectacular white flame seen above the
stacks at night is raw burning hydrogen, dissociated from atmospheric
water vapor by the searing exhaust gases.

Dual magnetos supply 44 amps to each spark plug. This is essentially the
output of an arc welder in each cylinder.

Spark plug electrodes are totally consumed during a pass. After halfway,
the engine is dieseling from compression, plus the glow of exhaust
valves at 1,400 deg F. The engine can only be shut down by cutting the
fuel flow.

If spark momentarily fails early in the run, unburned nitro builds up in
the affected cylinders and then explodes with sufficient force to blow
cylinder heads off the block in pieces or split the block in half.

In order to exceed 300 mph in 4.5 seconds, dragsters must accelerate an
average of over 4G's. In order to reach 200 mph (well before
half-track), the launch acceleration approaches 8G's.

Dragsters reach over 300 miles per hour before you have completed
reading this sentence.

Top fuel engines turn approximately 540 revolutions from light to light!
Including the burnout, the engine must only survive 900 revolutions
under load.

The redline is actually quite high at 9,500 rpm.

Assuming all the equipment is paid off, the crew worked for free, and
for once NOTHING BLOWS UP, each run costs an estimate $1,000.00 per
second.

The current top fuel dragster elapsed time record is 4.441 seconds for
the quarter mile (10/05/03, Tony Schumacher). The top speed record is
333.00 mph (533 km/h) as measured over the last 66' of the run (09/28/03
Doug Kalitta).

You are driving the average $140,000 Lingenfelter "twin-turbo" powered
Corvette Z06. Over a mile up the road, a top fuel dragster is staged and
ready to launch down a quarter mile strip as you pass. You have the
advantage of a flying start. You run the 'Vette hard up through the
gears and blast across the starting line and pass the dragster at an
honest 200 mph. The "tree" goes green for both of you at that moment.
The draster launches and starts after you.

You keep your foot down hard, but you hear an incredibly brutal whine
that sears your eardrums and within 3 seconds, the dragster catches and
passes you. He beats you to the finish line, a quarter mile away from
where you just passed him. Think about it; from a standing start, the
dragster had spotted you 200 mph and not only caught you, but nearly
blasted you off the road when he passed you within a mere 1,320 foot
long race course.

That folks is acceleration...

106 Maximu§  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:13:44pm

re: #94 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

4 door Dodge Charger? HUH?

I always thought the 4 door Charger looked ridiculous.

107 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:13:55pm

re: #104 Cognito

Huh. Guess I was thrown off when you said, "I can still get news from the Wall Street Journal online and for free. Face it- newspapers are dinosaurs."

Sorry.

It was the plural for newspaper, huh?

108 DesertSage  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:13:57pm

Yep, I'm waiting for the new Camaro to make it's debut!
[Link: www.chevrolet.com...]

And some Cheezy Poofs!

109 opnion  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:14:03pm

re: #38 newsjunkie_ky

It bothers me that there are so many gullible (stupid?) people in America that actually believe in the hope and change hokum that obama, the snakeoil salesman, has sold.


>
Oh yeah, they buy it. At dinner tonight one of my coworkers went in to the Obama is great thing. I listened until I couldn't take anymore and challenged him. He ninformrd me that all of this Wright & Ayers stuff was just guilt through association. When I asked him if he would have a friend like Ayers, he said "Absolutely"
At that point , I strongly suggested , that he wipe the liberal smirk off of his face & grow up. Thank God, I outrank him.

110 KZnextzone  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:14:10pm

RE #13
I'll comment....Congrats Charles and thank you for the enlightening forum.
*Polishes apple on shirt*!

111 laZardo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:14:59pm

re: #30 Maximu§

re: #83 looking closely

From the POV of a guy who wants to be a car designer, I'm personally a bit tired of these "retro" muscle cars. It makes me think we're approaching the wheezing-econo-70s all over again.

Now that brand new Nissan GT-R...that's performance.

/as long as those damn ricers don't get their oily hands all over it for their F-n-F fantasies...

112 soccerdad  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:15:15pm

Honestly I fear for the campaign. I'm still not backing off my prediction, but I am genuinely saddened by the lack of substantive rebuttal by the McCain/Palin campaign to the ideas of BHO. He's a communist/Socialist/marxist. The ideas he is spouting are straight out of the marxist playbook. Yet here we still sit....discussing the fact that his associations should disqualify him. or maybe just the fact that the rebuttals are not getting traction.

It is NOT his associations...it is his ideas. They are FUNDAMENTALLY anti-capitalist. Requiring the coverage of pre-conditions is but one simple example of his anti-capitalist views.

I truly fear for this country if BHO and Plug boy get the nod.

I still believe it'll be a mcCain/Palin electoral landslide...but again...mcCain is NOT running a good campaign.

I've always said, "i would vote for Mickey mouse if he was running onthe Republican ticket." This is is pretty close to that. And i'm voting Republican.

113 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:15:23pm

re: #96 Dr. Shalit

OMD -

Yuppers, the new variety with 16 spark plugs and SMP Fuel Injection with "small block" displacement.

-S-

6.1 litre hemi small block? Those must be some humongous pistons.

114 Cartman  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:16:50pm

Hemi!

115 KZnextzone  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:17:39pm

I think more scary background stuff on Obambi will start to percolate. I'm still amazed they kept the Palin secret so long. They must be holding something. The Ayer's wrote Audacity stuff looks compelling....

116 laZardo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:18:17pm

LUNCH.

bbl

117 Irene NYC  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:18:43pm

I love newspapers and I'm sorry to see what is happening to them. Some of their problems are self-inflicted, others due to changes in technology. But I already miss the sense of community they fostered in the cities where I have lived and the slower, more thoughtful pace of life that went along with their era. And the ADD which the internet fosters is not to my taste either. I feel like a dinosaur.

118 Hard Right  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:18:50pm

I have to say that the spear point should be FM/FM. Show how obama and the dems were in it up to their eyeballs.

119 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:19:05pm

re: #105 Bobibutu

Of course, dragsters do 325 mph for about 1300 feet. Indy cars can run at 225 mph for 500 miles or more.

/Just sayin'...

120 KZnextzone  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:19:25pm

I was surprised with the nautical references ( I get seasick looking at a picture of a boat), I don't see the o as a sailing kind of guy...

121 soccerdad  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:19:42pm

re: #66 Sharmuta

Hey- I was just glad I got him to quit openly paying for the paper. It was my little way of striking back at the drive by media.


I have not paid for a paper in three years. The Philadelphia inquirer has morphed itself into Philly.com and more often than not these days.. when youhit the "home" page it is some editoral being highlighted. And guess which way that editorial is slanted. (I just go there for the sports).

122 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:20:19pm

re: #103 redc1c4

nevermind......

BTW, I think it's called coda. ;)

123 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:20:49pm

What is black and white and RED all over?
*
*
*
*
*
No,,not the newspaper.!
*
*
*
*
The obama /biden ticket.

124 KZnextzone  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:20:53pm

what do you wrap your fish in now?

125 rawmuse  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:21:03pm

re: #112 soccerdad

In order for a socialist/communist government to occur, not only must you have A) a party leadership willing to do whatever it takes to win (any means to an end) but you also need B) a docile, defeated and constantly needy populace that will welcome and enable the former component.

I know we presently have part A. I am not sure about part B, but it seems like part B is getting bigger.

126 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:21:06pm

re: #83 looking closely

Its essentially identical to the Dodge Charger, just cut down a few inches and with two doors instead of four.

If you have to go there, save your money for the new Camaro.

"lc" -

You are right on that, which is to say that the platform is much like an old Benz "E Class" - Not bad - back in the day, the Challenger was based on the Dodge Dart, and the Camaro based on the Nova. Didn't keep either car from becoming an icon.

-S-

127 Bobibutu  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:21:15pm

re: #119 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Of course, dragsters do 325 mph for about 1300 feet. Indy cars can run at 225 mph for 500 miles or more.

/Just sayin'...

Point well taken. And it's 2 different desired outcomes.

128 steve  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:21:39pm

If the newpapers go away I guess that I will have to find another way to read my comics.

[Link: www.daybydaycartoon.com...]

comes to mind.

129 laZardo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:21:42pm

re: #123 Oldasdirt

Dead penguins?

/pissed that Happy Feet beat Cars for the Oscar

//RIP Paul "Doc Hudson" Newman

130 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:22:11pm

re: #117 Irene NYC

I love newspapers and I'm sorry to see what is happening to them. Some of their problems are self-inflicted, others due to changes in technology. But I already miss the sense of community they fostered in the cities where I have lived and the slower, more thoughtful pace of life that went along with their era. And the ADD which the internet fosters is not to my taste either. I feel like a dinosaur.

Yes. All true.

There used to be right-leaning newspapers galloping across the tundra, believe it or not. Every town had two papers.

The left-leaning bias in papers today is laughably obvious. There are other forces at play, though. Some people here try to make the argument that the media is collapsing now -- coincidentally to the technological revolution -- because all those conservative readers are making an exodus to find more like-minded thinkers elsewhere.

Trouble is, the biggest political blogs are lefties. And none of them can touch Perez Hilton.

I don't know the solution. I wish I did. And if I do figure it out, I hope I beat the likes of Mark Cuban to it.

131 Cartman  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:22:21pm

re: #115 KZnextzone

Personally, I think the election will come and go without the BHO bombshell we're all hoping for. What's been discovered about him already should have been more than enough to sink the ship of an ordinary presidential candidate, under ordinary times and circumstances. These here are uncharted waters, indeed.

132 DeafDog  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:23:04pm

re: #82 Cognito

If you want to change the subject, that's fine. We were talking about the Wall Street Journal, though.

IBD seems to be doing well financially. Proprietary information - that's the ticket. Who owns IBD?

133 KZnextzone  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:23:30pm

I disagree with great hope. Cartman.......

134 Bobibutu  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:23:44pm

re: #128 steve

If the newpapers go away I guess that I will have to find another way to read my comics.

[Link: www.daybydaycartoon.com...]

comes to mind.

What? You are online and daybyday is online all over the place.

135 victor_yugo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:25:03pm

re: #125 rawmuse

I know we presently have part A. I am not sure about part B, but it seems like part B is getting bigger.

Bigger, or merely screaming louder?

It can't be good when even apolitical, ignorant young adults can see The Fascist Tool Barack Obama as just a sloganeer (slogans written by someone else).

I work with a couple of them. They have a lot of growing up to do, and their work ethic, uh, needs work... but their antipathy towards O is very strong. And in neither case does it have to do with race!

136 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:25:10pm

re: #132 DeafDog

IBD seems to be doing well financially. Proprietary information - that's the ticket. Who owns IBD?

I believe they're independent. And yes, proprietary information is key. Trouble is, we all want that non-proprietary information, but we don't want to pay someone to go fetch it and sketch it.

137 KZnextzone  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:25:10pm

and to keep on the nautical.."I say these seas have been charted by Seaman Hillary and the hazards of Hell's Bucket are the same"
Arrrgh Matey

138 steve  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:25:20pm

re: #134 Bobibutu


I know but I still like sitting at the table and holding the paper in my hands. Cannot do that with a computer.
And then what am I going to wrap the christmas presents in?

139 opnion  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:25:55pm

re: #131 Cartman

Personally, I think the election will come and go without the BHO bombshell we're all hoping for. What's been discovered about him already should have been more than enough to sink the ship of an ordinary presidential candidate, under ordinary times and circumstances. These here are uncharted waters, indeed.


So true, it does not seem to matter what Obamas negatives are.
They are brushed aside & he gets the benefit of all doubts by people who should know better.

140 Cartman  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:26:26pm

I've got LGF up in Safari for Windows. Nice & clean. I think I like it.

141 soccerdad  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:26:48pm

re: #125 rawmuse

In order for a socialist/communist government to occur, not only must you have A) a party leadership willing to do whatever it takes to win (any means to an end) but you also need B) a docile, defeated and constantly needy populace that will welcome and enable the former component.

I know we presently have part A. I am not sure about part B, but it seems like part B is getting bigger.

Amen...hence my fear. I had a conversation with the better half tonight, who was undecided last week. Tonight she is solidly in BHO's camp, and taunted me that mcCain is behind in the polls. Suffice it to say I do not take the hardline at home as I love sex, but her transformation is clearly a result of the MSM. I asked her about the healthcare program of Obama, pointing out the anti-capitalist nature of it, but and she was all for it. (she's a nurse)

/sigh
i'm getting cancelled out

142 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:26:59pm

re: #118 Hard Right

I have to say that the spear point should be FM/FM. Show how obama and the dems were in it up to their eyeballs.

And also that the Bush administration and McCain wanted to pass legislation numerous times to reform it since 2003, but were blocked by the Dimocrats. Then I heard Barney Fwank's butt-buddy was on employed at Fannie Mae (When he wasn't running their gay teenage boy out of their townhouse).

143 KZnextzone  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:27:09pm

They've got something......They just don't want it to blow over with the ADD of the populace, best wait. "Walk down and ....." well you get it!

144 Bobibutu  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:27:47pm

re: #138 steve

I know but I still like sitting at the table and holding the paper in my hands. Cannot do that with a computer.
And then what am I going to wrap the christmas presents in?

Print function! ... well if you only have 8 1/2X11 capability ... multiple pages and Scotch Tape.

145 RTLM  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:28:17pm

The NYT has the optimum broadness for Great Dane contaminant when on the sidewalk.

146 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:28:26pm

re: #127 Bobibutu

Point well taken. And it's 2 different desired outcomes.

Nope...both are doin' it to win. : )

147 rawmuse  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:28:36pm

re: #135 victor_yugo

I hope you are right. If you ever wonder why the qualities of self-reliance, honesty and duty are promoted in the Boy Scouts (and why the Left feels the need to bring the Boy Scouts down) look no further than the electorate. A populace that demands that everything be provided for them is ripe for tyranny.

148 redc1c4  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:28:46pm

re: #105 Bobibutu "Acceleration"

and you can DIY........

149 victor_yugo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:29:23pm

re: #138 steve

I know but I still like sitting at the table and holding the paper in my hands. Cannot do that with a computer.

The Amazon Kindle and its ilk are getting better and more popular every year. And Esquire Magazine just published the world's first E-ink cover, which caused quite a stir where I work.

It isn't often I can point at something and say, with all certainty, "This is the wave of the future."

150 steve  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:29:38pm

re: #144 Bobibutu


That will be a lot of scitch tape used at chrostmas time.

151 Cartman  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:29:43pm

Well, I guess it's time to attempt some sleep. Seems like I've forgotten once again how to do it, but I'll give it a shot. G'nite, all.

152 Maximu§  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:29:47pm

re: #111 laZardo

re: #83 looking closely

From the POV of a guy who wants to be a car designer, I'm personally a bit tired of these "retro" muscle cars. It makes me think we're approaching the wheezing-econo-70s all over again.

Now that brand new Nissan GT-R...that's performance.

/as long as those damn ricers don't get their oily hands all over it for their F-n-F fantasies...

Those retro muscle cars of the 60's and 70's bring back alot of memories of Wednesday night street races, a girlfirend who has zipper pants and good times.

153 Bobibutu  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:29:51pm

re: #146 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Nope...both are doin' it to win. : )

Yeah, yeah, but different distances.

154 neocon hippie  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:29:59pm

Earlier today I saw a report saying that some of the Israelis -- military and politicians -- who were used in the Israelis for Obama video going around -- are upset, saying they were taken out of context. Anybody know where I can find it?

155 tommoon  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:30:05pm

Irene NYC

I remember delivering the newspaper in my jr. high school days. The Ap and UPI had the reputation that what they wrote could be absolutely believed as truth. The local small town used them to get the news to the people of the country. Sadly, today we have a media that is mostly under the control of the leftist democratic party. I think that this decision by these news outlets we eventually destroy them.

156 Bobibutu  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:30:18pm

re: #150 steve

That will be a lot of scitch tape used at chrostmas time.

Sh*t happens ;-)

157 lummox  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:30:42pm

re: #76 Cognito

Thanks Irene. For what it's worth, my person wasn't in the media. But you're right that the media is taking it on the chin.

AS well it should, especially after this election.

158 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:32:42pm

re: #138 steve

I know but I still like sitting at the table and holding the paper in my hands. Cannot do that with a computer.
And then what am I going to wrap the christmas presents in?

/And it'll be difficult to put a computer in the bottom of a box and teach your puppy to shit on it.

159 steve  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:32:49pm

re: #149 victor_yugo

re: #144 Bobibutu


I already read a lot online but, as I said before, (I must be old school) I still like sitting down and holding the paper in my hands. Just does not seem the same with a lot of copy paper tape together.

160 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:32:54pm

re: #113 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

6.1 litre hemi small block? Those must be some humongous pistons.

"OMD" -

You are a youngster. The 5.7 liter Hemi translates to about 350 in the lord's own cubic inches. 6.1 liters is roughly 375 in cid. The first generation small block Chevy came in a 400 cid flavor for a number of years, my dad had one in a '71 Caprice.

-S-

161 DeafDog  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:33:16pm

re: #136 Cognito

I believe they're independent. And yes, proprietary information is key. Trouble is, we all want that non-proprietary information, but we don't want to pay someone to go fetch it and sketch it.

Over the last few years, we were all literally starved for unbiased information on Iraq. The only reports that we got were all reports from the green zone. Most were slanted editorally. Eventually, I discovered Yon and Totten and Rogio on the web. I gladly paid them (vluntarily) for their efforts. Yon/Totten/Rogio do give opinions. Sometimes they are not opinions I want to hear. But I respect them because I know they are honest and I try to incorporate their opinions into my own biases.

There is a big part of the answer in that experience, too. Newspapers are seen as biased. Too often, their reporters are not doing the hard work of journalism. They are just attending news conferences (that I could jst as easily watch on C-Span) and adding their own spin.

162 redc1c4  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:33:28pm

re: #141 soccerdad

Amen...hence my fear. I had a conversation with the better half tonight, who was undecided last week. Tonight she is solidly in BHO's camp, and taunted me that mcCain is behind in the polls. Suffice it to say I do not take the hardline at home as I love sex, but her transformation is clearly a result of the MSM. I asked her about the healthcare program of Obama, pointing out the anti-capitalist nature of it, but and she was all for it. (she's a nurse)

/sigh
i'm getting cancelled out

no offense, but most nurses i've met over the years are a little whack.

(the others are *really* whack. %-)

163 Irene NYC  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:34:51pm

re: #130 Cognito
My grandmother subscribed to nine newspapers in five languages. She read each one cover to cover, as did my parents. They were printed from all corners of the earth. I remember there was this excitement attached to receiving them and an element of responsibility also. You were supposed to keep yourself well-informed. De rigeuer sort of thing.

164 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:34:54pm

I just couldn't resist sharing this with the lizards. My hubby just received, in the mail, a beautifully presented, artfully wrapped "Certificate of Appreciation" "for outstanding service to the Nation as a United States Army Soldier", along with a lapel pin and two window stickers......he was a Marine.

Tax dollars at work.

165 Maximu§  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:35:02pm

re: #162 redc1c4

Hey, I still have you Chili pot.

166 redc1c4  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:35:06pm

re: #152 Maximu§

Those retro muscle cars of the 60's and 70's bring back alot of memories of Wednesday night street races, a girlfirend who has zipper pants and good times.

Dittos jeans....... %-)

167 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:35:09pm

re: #76 Cognito

Thanks Irene. For what it's worth, my person wasn't in the media. But you're right that the media is taking it on the chin.

I was gonna make a Barney Frank joke here,,,but i wont.

168 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:35:21pm

re: #161 DeafDog

Too often, their reporters are not doing the hard work of journalism. They are just attending news conferences (that I could jst as easily watch on C-Span) and adding their own spin.

Sounds like you might be reading the wrong papers, then. (See post 12.)

169 steve  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:35:23pm

Ozark Mountain Daredevil, thank you for the laugh. I needed it today.

Ya all have a wonderful night. I am off to bed.........

170 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:35:39pm

re: #153 Bobibutu

Yeah, yeah, but different distances.

That's the one great thing I love about racing. No one is ever truly happy to finish second. They're just the first one to lose.

171 Maximu§  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:35:51pm

re: #164 Pvt Bin Jammin

I just couldn't resist sharing this with the lizards. My hubby just received, in the mail, a beautifully presented, artfully wrapped "Certificate of Appreciation" "for outstanding service to the Nation as a United States Army Soldier", along with a lapel pin and two window stickers......he was a Marine.

Tax dollars at work.

Its the thought that counts Princess.

172 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:35:55pm

can someone do a timeline of what the fuck the Nazicrats have been up to since they took over Congress

I mean for example:

they were told, REPEATEDLY
by Greenspan and even real republicans (including the Pussident)
that Fannie, Freddie, etc. were in trouble
and they were shouted down by Maxine Waters, Chris Dodd, Barney Fife, etc...

but all they did was what ?

fucking hearings on steroids in baseball ?

had a bunch of hollywood idiots parading in and speaking about their favorite topics

useless hearings on Bush, Cheney, Halliburton, etc.

maybe the GOP needs a good idea like this to present to the American people

because the dem's sqaundered the time they had
and it needs pointing out as much or more than Ayers
because so far the MSM is covering for him

but McCain should interject his name tomorrow night anyway
domestic terrorism like McVeigh or Ayers produced or Anthrax
are as dangerous as Muslim extremism and can be almost as deadly
and point out OKC bombing and anthrax letters
and then remind Obama of who Bill Ayers is

173 Irene NYC  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:37:13pm

re: #136 Cognito

I believe they're independent. And yes, proprietary information is key. Trouble is, we all want that non-proprietary information, but we don't want to pay someone to go fetch it and sketch it.


I never bought that "citizen journalist" thang. Of course, the fact that that phrase reminded me of the French Revolution may have been the real reason for my distaste.

174 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:37:24pm

re: #152 Maximu§

Those retro muscle cars of the 60's and 70's bring back alot of memories of Wednesday night street races, a girlfirend who has zipper pants and good times.

When they roll out the 2010 Ford Pinto, Dodge Colt and Chevy Vega, be worried. Be VERY worried!

175 Racer X  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:37:43pm

Heads up everyone:

THEATER FRAUD? Sabotage of An American Carol and Its Opening-Week Numbers?

Mpower pictures and Vivendi are starting to hear complaints about sabotage of An American Carol by employees of theaters that are carrying the movie. So far, ten theaters have been implicated in outright fraud regarding this movie.

Obviously, the producers and distributors would like to get to the bottom of this and find out the extent of any fraud, but they need our help to determine whether the problem is systemic, or confined to a few theaters in a nationawide release.

What we know: in at least ten theaters nationwide, customers were sold tickets they were told were for An American Carol but turned out to be for other movies.

Obviously, this type of "error" sometimes requires collusion between employees--a way of marking the ticket so that you are sent to the correct theater, even though you've been sold the wrong ticket.

As the customer, you'd have to actually read your ticket to check and make sure you weren't an unwitting instrument of this fraud.

If you suspect that this might have happened when you went to see the movie, please go double-check your tickets. If they have the wrong movie title on them, please take a picture of them and send them to the investigative team at An American Carol: fraud -- AT -- AnAmericanCarol -- DOT -- com . Please place the original tickets in a safe place and fill out the info on the AAC fraud site. They may need your ticket as evidence.

I heard similar stories from callers on Larry Elders show in L.A. today.

Go see the movie!

Check your tickets and make sure the film makers are getting credit - and paid - for their hard work.

176 Maximu§  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:37:51pm

re: #162 redc1c4

I still have your big aluminum chili pot you left at my house.

177 Irene NYC  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:38:15pm

re: #157 lummox

AS well it should, especially after this election.


Well, sweetie, I don't feel that the New York Sun deserved to close.

178 Bobibutu  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:38:20pm

re: #159 steve

re: #144 Bobibutu


I already read a lot online but, as I said before, (I must be old school) I still like sitting down and holding the paper in my hands. Just does not seem the same with a lot of copy paper tape together.

OK - for the funnies that's cool.

When I was a kid - POP the Comic Weekly was a radio program (pre TV in the SF Bay Area) that walked us thru the funnies and expanded on them. Sunday mornings were spent with the paper comics and the radio - very cool.
Sadly it's gone. So I think I understand.

179 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:38:21pm

re: #169 steve

Ozark Mountain Daredevil, thank you for the laugh. I needed it today.

Ya all have a wonderful night. I am off to bed.........

I'm not sure what I said that was funny, but you're welcome!

180 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:38:35pm

re: #171 Maximu§

It was cool. We were just so surprised. I'm sure it made plenty of people's day. I don't think the Marines are sending out those things.

181 DeafDog  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:38:40pm

re: #168 Cognito

Sounds like you might be reading the wrong papers, then. (See post 12.)


Nope. The WSJ had nothing special on Iraq from 1996-97. They still don't.

BTW - the situation is the same today on Afghanastan. Their is no newspaper or wireservice that has a good take on that situation.

182 redc1c4  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:38:50pm

re: #165 Maximu§

Hey, I still have you Chili pot.

yeah, well, it's not going anywhere, is it?

/we don't get out much. %-)

183 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:39:00pm

re: #163 Irene NYC

My grandmother subscribed to nine newspapers in five languages. She read each one cover to cover, as did my parents. They were printed from all corners of the earth. I remember there was this excitement attached to receiving them and an element of responsibility also. You were supposed to keep yourself well-informed. De rigeuer sort of thing.

That's neat.

One problem with the modern model -- aside from the lack of financial liability -- is that people are receiving information in slices. It's the same way the mortgage guys got us into the current economic mess, by slicing and bundling their goods so that the buyers never saw the whole picture.

Not that newspapers are always any better. But there has to be some feasible next thing. Either that or we're in big trouble.

184 Maximu§  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:39:49pm

re: #180 Pvt Bin Jammin

It was cool. We were just so surprised. I'm sure it made plenty of people's day. I don't think the Marines are sending out those things.

Those Jarheads are so picky!

/

185 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:40:18pm

re: #173 Irene NYC

I never bought that "citizen journalist" thang. Of course, the fact that that phrase reminded me of the French Revolution may have been the real reason for my distaste.

Ha.

Yeah. A 'citizen journalist' might soon go to prison for the recent Steve-Jobs-heart-attack debacle. Oops.

186 Maximu§  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:40:28pm

re: #182 redc1c4

yeah, well, it's not going anywhere, is it?

/we don't get out much. %-)

Lets do a beerfest soon and I'll give it back to ya.

187 laZardo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:41:07pm

Back. Did I miss anything?

188 Bobibutu  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:41:20pm

re: #170 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

That's the one great thing I love about racing. No one is ever truly happy to finish second. They're just the first one to lose.

Adrenalin junkies - Unite! - Oh - I guess they have.

189 krycek  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:41:30pm

The problem facing newspapers is their readership is dying off. Young people just don't read newspapers.

190 Maximu§  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:41:31pm

re: #182 redc1c4

Hey we're going to Fort Knox to visit my son in bootcamp this month.

191 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:41:33pm

re: #160 Dr. Shalit

"OMD" -

You are a youngster. The 5.7 liter Hemi translates to about 350 in the lord's own cubic inches. 6.1 liters is roughly 375 in cid. The first generation small block Chevy came in a 400 cid flavor for a number of years, my dad had one in a '71 Caprice.

-S-

Doc- I had a 66 Chevelle SS with a 427 big block, I think...and it was 496 HP.

192 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:41:49pm

re: #181 DeafDog

Nope. The WSJ had nothing special on Iraq from 1996-97. They still don't.

BTW - the situation is the same today on Afghanastan. Their is no newspaper or wireservice that has a good take on that situation.

Yep. And it's a problem. Part of it is a function not so much of the newspapers -- I promise you the WSJ and their better colleagues would love to blanket Iraq and Afghanistan, if they could afford it -- but a function of this new style of war.

193 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:41:59pm

re: #152 Maximu§

Those retro muscle cars of the 60's and 70's bring back alot of memories of Wednesday night street races, a girlfirend who has zipper pants and good times.

1967 Pontiac GTO. 455CI--2-4barrels,13sec bracket points champ,Greenvalley raceway,Ft.Worth Texas 1975. Best times of my life.

194 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:42:21pm

re: #184 Maximu§

LOL We like 'em all. We are mostly a Marine Corps family but all of the other branches have been represented by family members too. It was a nice thing. We just had a chuckle.

195 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:43:57pm

re: #189 krycek

The problem facing newspapers is their readership is dying off. Young people just don't read newspapers.

Sure they do. They just do it online. And that's fine, except no one has figured out how to make that model pay for itself.

As all those old readers die off, the funds go down. And so, then, does the coverage.

In the next few years I expect we'll see some vast frauds perpetrated that would have been uncovered by a healthy press. It's troubling.

196 lummox  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:44:15pm

re: #177 Irene NYC

Well, sweetie, I don't feel that the New York Sun deserved to close.

Well dearie, I didn't shut em down. A LOT of support might have helped.

197 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:44:33pm

re: #175 Racer X

Heads up everyone:

I heard similar stories from callers on Larry Elders show in L.A. today.

Go see the movie!

Check your tickets and make sure the film makers are getting credit - and paid - for their hard work.

Libs are losers. We all know that. Fuck'em.

198 laZardo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:45:52pm

re: #152 Maximu§

Unfortunately, those fun times didn't last long, ushering in the era of econoboxes and - perhaps subsequently - the Rice (not Secretary) Era. Though the F-n-F'ers type of automotive entertainment doesn't sound all that different from what you described apart from the different taste in music and the lack of a back seat in their Civics.

199 Irene NYC  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:46:31pm

re: #183 Cognito

That's neat.

One problem with the modern model -- aside from the lack of financial liability -- is that people are receiving information in slices. It's the same way the mortgage guys got us into the current economic mess, by slicing and bundling their goods so that the buyers never saw the whole picture.

Not that newspapers are always any better. But there has to be some feasible next thing. Either that or we're in big trouble.


Do you think it's a conspiracy?
;)

200 Meremortal  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:46:35pm

re: #191 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Doc- I had a 66 Chevelle SS with a 427 big block, I think...and it was 496 HP.

Dang, I wonder what happened to my "Green Valley Champion" fender cover, circa 1967 ('59 Vette).

201 DeafDog  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:46:46pm

re: #192 Cognito

Yep. And it's a problem. Part of it is a function not so much of the newspapers -- I promise you the WSJ and their better colleagues would love to blanket Iraq and Afghanistan, if they could afford it -- but a function of this new style of war.

If they just embedded someone with the Army that would be enough. They don't want to do that because they think that's 'biased".....they are - in other words - assholes

202 Spirit93  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:46:49pm

re: #154 neocon hippie

Earlier today I saw a report saying that some of the Israelis -- military and politicians -- who were used in the Israelis for Obama video going around -- are upset, saying they were taken out of context. Anybody know where I can find it?

Hotair

203 solomonpanting  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:47:12pm

re: #172 Adrenalyn

can someone do a timeline of what the fuck the Nazicrats have been up to since they took over Congress

I mean for example:

they were told, REPEATEDLY
by Greenspan and even real republicans (including the Pussident)
that Fannie, Freddie, etc. were in trouble
and they were shouted down by Maxine Waters, Chris Dodd, Barney Fife, etc...

but all they did was what ?

fucking hearings on steroids in baseball ?

had a bunch of hollywood idiots parading in and speaking about their favorite topics

useless hearings on Bush, Cheney, Halliburton, etc.

After setting the stage for the mess we're in today, is it too much to ask for a truly 100% do-nothing Congress? The country would be in better shape if these jomocoes were paid to take eleven month vacations.

204 opnion  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:48:04pm

re: #197 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Libs are losers. We all know that. Fuck'em.

Yeah, the problem is that they have numbers & they are riding high.
If they can embrace Obama, what is too much for them?

205 DeafDog  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:48:38pm

G'night all

206 soccerdad  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:48:46pm

re: #162 redc1c4

no offense, but most nurses i've met over the years are a little whack.

(the others are *really* whack. %-)

None taken. She is

207 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:49:16pm

re: #199 Irene NYC

Do you think it's a conspiracy?
;)

Ha. A giant, multi-national -- and totally unwitting -- conspiracy. Of which I am a part, myself. I like to skim the news online myself.

208 Racer X  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:49:20pm

re: #197 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Libs are losers. We all know that. Fuck'em.

I agree. Fuck'em at the box office. America needs to see conservative movies doing well. What libs are doing here is skewing the numbers to make it look like An American Carol is doing poorly. Thats bullshit.

209 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:49:29pm

re: #193 Oldasdirt

1967 Pontiac GTO. 455CI--2-4barrels,13sec bracket points champ,Greenvalley raceway,Ft.Worth Texas 1975. Best times of my life.

I like the Dodge Superbee, myself. You could buy it off the showroom floor and race it at Daytona as you bought it, no modifications needed. How cool was that?

210 Meremortal  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:50:57pm

re: #193 Oldasdirt

1967 Pontiac GTO. 455CI--2-4barrels,13sec bracket points champ,Greenvalley raceway,Ft.Worth Texas 1975. Best times of my life.

oldasdirt,

My #200 was meant for you. Must be getting late.

211 Irene NYC  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:51:03pm

re: #196 lummox

Well dearie, I didn't shut em down. A LOT of support might have helped.


Why are you being so snarky? I was making the point that some quality media companies are also closing and that one shouldn't just lump all media in one group.

Stating the obvious - "A LOT of support might have helped" - I'm missing the point here. So, why don't you help me out because I must be too dumb to get it.

212 pat  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:51:04pm

The years of Blame America First have come home to roost.

213 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:51:27pm

re: #200 Meremortal

Dang, I wonder what happened to my "Green Valley Champion" fender cover, circa 1967 ('59 Vette).

Never heard of that. What is it?

214 redc1c4  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:51:48pm

re: #174 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

When they roll out the 2010 Ford Pinto, Dodge Colt and Chevy Vega, be worried. Be VERY worried!

even if it's a Cosworth Twin Cam Vega?

215 victor_yugo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:51:59pm

re: #203 solomonpanting

After setting the stage for the mess we're in today, is it too much to ask for a truly 100% do-nothing Congress? The country would be in better shape if these jomocoes were paid to take eleven month vacations.

Or, even better, if Congress were paid for only one month's work, and the other 11 months they had to go back and do real work like the rest of us.

Oh, wait, wasn't that the original intention anyway?

216 Maximu§  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:52:12pm

re: #198 laZardo

Unfortunately, those fun times didn't last long, ushering in the era of econoboxes and - perhaps subsequently - the Rice (not Secretary) Era. Though the F-n-F'ers type of automotive entertainment doesn't sound all that different from what you described apart from the different taste in music and the lack of a back seat in their Civics.

Good point, also the cops have pretty much shut have down illegal street races and they even arrest the bystanders now..kids these days can't cruise, can't race, can't go to the drive in movie's....can't do s**t!

217 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:52:35pm

re: #205 DeafDog

G'night all

Later...

218 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:52:46pm

re: #203 solomonpanting

holy fuck
you gave me a great idea

we elect teachers from now on

you know

those that can, do
those that can't, teach

we need some highly educated do-nothings and like to take long vacations and who is better than professional teachers for cripes sake


in other news, world markets are waking up happy and upward

a good erection first thing in the morning is not a bad thing

219 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:53:05pm

re: #214 redc1c4

even if it's a Cosworth Twin Cam Vega?

The irony is that the American motor industry is dying just as it finally decided to turn out some sweet cars.

220 redc1c4  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:53:13pm

re: #190 Maximu§

Hey we're going to Fort Knox to visit my son in bootcamp this month.

i was gonna ask how our Soldier is doing..... when does AIT start?

221 RTLM  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:53:15pm

Obama has 3 point lead on McCain.

NASHVILLE, Tennessee (Reuters) - Democrat Barack Obama has a narrow 3-point lead in the U.S. presidential race on Republican John McCain less than a month before the election, according to a Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby poll released on Tuesday.

Obama leads McCain among likely U.S. voters 48 percent to 45 percent in the national poll, which has a margin of error of 2.8 percentage points. Four percent of voters said they were still undecided in the November 4 election.

/Wha Haapin to the 8 point lead ?!

222 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:53:58pm

re: #210 Meremortal

oldasdirt,

My #200 was meant for you. Must be getting late.

Did you race at the valley in 67,,in Ft.Worth Texas?

223 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:54:02pm

re: #219 Cognito

The irony is that the American motor industry is dying just as it finally decided to turn out some sweet cars.

uh, I hope you're not including anything made by Chrysler
their cars/trucks are widely ridiculed as crap

cool "looking"
dreadful operating

224 redc1c4  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:54:08pm

re: #219 Cognito

The irony is that the American motor industry is dying just as it finally decided to turn out some sweet cars.

no, the irony is that you have no clue as to what i'm talking about.

225 solomonpanting  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:54:26pm

re: #215 victor_yugo

Or, even better, if Congress were paid for only one month's work, and the other 11 months they had to go back and do real work like the rest of us.

Oh, wait, wasn't that the original intention anyway?

The Congressional motto should be that of a physician:

First, do no harm

226 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:54:45pm

re: #223 Adrenalyn

uh, I hope you're not including anything made by Chrysler
their cars/trucks are widely ridiculed as crap

cool "looking"
dreadful operating

No, no.

227 Irene NYC  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:55:01pm

re: #221 RTLM

Obama has 3 point lead on McCain.

/Wha Haapin to the 8 point lead ?!

The 9 point lead was too much of a stretch even for the left-wing media.
;)

228 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:55:15pm

re: #224 redc1c4

no, the irony is that you have no clue as to what i'm talking about.

Wow.

All right.

229 laZardo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:55:29pm

re: #216 Maximu§

That and the insurance rates are sky-high until I turn 25, at which point I'll probably have lost "the passion" if I'm still stuck on public transport by then.

/parents insist on staying in the passenger seat while I drive, and I can't own a car unless I'm insured too, hurrrrr ;_;

//on the other hand, the Light Rail system here really whooshes past Manila Rush Hour...

230 Maximu§  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:55:40pm

re: #220 redc1c4

i was gonna ask how our Soldier is doing..... when does AIT start?

He's in his 6th week, so it should be starting real soon for a total of 16 weeks.

231 michaelasher  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:56:27pm
232 laZardo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:56:43pm

re: #174 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

If it's THIS Dodge Colt, then I'll happily start saving. (:

233 lummox  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:56:48pm

re: #211 Irene NYC

Seems obvious that the target audience for the Sun was getting their news from other sources. Very much like trying to get a leftist audience on AM radio. It was a valient effort though.

234 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:57:06pm

re: #225 solomonpanting

The Congressional motto should be that of a physician:

First, do no harm

the problem is
all they have fucking done is hearings on nonsense

steroids in baseball
celebrities and stem cell research
halliburton !

but nothing on the well-noted and looming fiscal crisis

the freaking GOP better put up some good boards on this and but quick
it's an area ripe for opportunity

then there is the Adrenalyn-scoop of all time

that Obama gets his money via the internet
(ok, easy)
but that he gets it from untraceable prepaid Visa type cards


I called this a generation ago and the GOP won't mention it

235 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:57:11pm

re: #204 opnion

Yeah, the problem is that they have numbers & they are riding high.
If they can embrace Obama, what is too much for them?

I still believe that enough Americans realize the Obamessiah is full of shit and hates our country and McCain will win by a comfortable margin, and even some of those who claim to support Obambi will vote for McCain.
I posted this in an earlier thread, and someone referred to the "Bradley effect", which is exactly what I meant.

236 Meremortal  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:57:54pm

re: #213 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Never heard of that. What is it?

Apologies Ozark, I was trying to respond to oldasdirt, and somehow posted to you. It had to be gremlins. Green Valley Raceway was THE dragstrip for the Ft. Worth-Dallas area. Probably still is. If you won your class, you got a choice of a trophy or a nice red leather fender cover to protect your fender and hold your tools while you worked on your baby. The best part the big "Green Valley Champion" printed on it so anyone passing by would be impressed. I ran C Sportsman class.

237 solomonpanting  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:58:06pm

re: #227 Irene NYC

The 9 point lead was too much of a stretch even for the left-wing media.
;)

No mention of any state polls. Electoral votes, baby!

238 Abu Al-Poopypants  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:58:06pm

re: #158 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

/And it'll be difficult to put a computer in the bottom of a box and teach your puppy to shit on it.

I am not making this up -- I have a monitor that I also use as a TV, and my parrot flew over and took a big wet one right down Charlie Gibson's face when he was interviewing Sarah Palin on ABC News.

239 soccerdad  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:58:43pm

re: #225 solomonpanting

The Congressional motto should be that of a physician:

First, do no harm

Nice idea...but do you really think Pelosi and Frank think they are doing harm? NO! They think they are moving the country forward. and so do their constituents.

sigh.

240 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:58:49pm

re: #230 Maximu§

Wish him well, for us, and his friend too.

I was up late last night.....zzzzz.

241 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:59:25pm

re: #209 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I like the Dodge Superbee, myself. You could buy it off the showroom floor and race it at Daytona as you bought it, no modifications needed. How cool was that?

I liked them all,,only won one championship in a GM product,,every other year I ran fords..Had some fast ones,,but broke alot..
Never tried a Dodge.But I did like em..426 Himi,,I only wish.
I did run an altered Lancia 61 model,,but had a 428 CJ in it,,ford 9 inch.

242 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:59:36pm

re: #208 Racer X

I agree. Fuck'em at the box office. America needs to see conservative movies doing well. What libs are doing here is skewing the numbers to make it look like An American Carol is doing poorly. Thats bullshit.

Of course, if EVERY ONE of their America-hating movies didn't suck ass at the box office this wouldn't be necessary, right?

243 laZardo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:00:03pm

re: #219 Cognito

GM may yet be saved. They should pull the plug on Ford though. Keeping that Mk1 Focus alive when everyone ELSE has the Mk2 is a sign of mental deficiency on the managers' part.

244 Abu Al-Poopypants  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:00:08pm

Oh, I forgot to put quotes around "News" in my previous comment. I apologize for the inaccuracy.

245 Meremortal  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:00:19pm

re: #222 Oldasdirt

Did you race at the valley in 67,,in Ft.Worth Texas?

I did, '66 and '67 I think. Blue '59 Vette. Eddie Fagan was there with his Le Manster a lot, and the top gun was Gene Snow.

246 soccerdad  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:00:31pm

re: #235 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I still believe that enough Americans realize the Obamessiah is full of shit and hates our country and McCain will win by a comfortable margin, and even some of those who claim to support Obambi will vote for McCain.
I posted this in an earlier thread, and someone referred to the "Bradley effect", which is exactly what I meant.

Welcome aboard. I've been saying that since he was the nominee. Click on my football.

247 opnion  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:00:51pm

re: #235 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I still believe that enough Americans realize the Obamessiah is full of shit and hates our country and McCain will win by a comfortable margin, and even some of those who claim to support Obambi will vote for McCain.
I posted this in an earlier thread, and someone referred to the "Bradley effect", which is exactly what I meant.

Let's hope so, but this Obama thing is creepy & time is getting short.

248 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:01:08pm

re: #214 redc1c4

even if it's a Cosworth Twin Cam Vega?

Cosworth is Ford, Vega is Chevy... : )

249 krycek  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:01:10pm

Rep. Barney Frank said that Republican criticism of Democrats over the nation's housing crisis is a veiled attack on the poor that's racially motivated. All voters (the ones who pay taxes at least), regardless of their political stripe, should be furious with this idiot.

250 Maximu§  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:01:16pm

re: #223 Adrenalyn

uh, I hope you're not including anything made by Chrysler
their cars/trucks are widely ridiculed as crap

cool "looking"
dreadful operating

Nobody here should ever buy a front-wheel drive Chrysler...ever, never, ever,never, never, ever....never!

I owned a big green 4 door 1998 Chrysler LHS and it was the worst POS I ever owned. I finally parked it at the Ralphs praking lot and started beating it with the tire iron, I kicked in the highly polished front fender and found out it was'nt even metal, it was fiberglass.

251 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:01:40pm

How are people selected to ask questions at the townhall debate? Are they screened ahead of time?

252 solomonpanting  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:02:46pm

re: #239 soccerdad

Nice idea...but do you really think Pelosi and Frank think they are doing harm?

Then I'd love to see a reporter stick a microphone in their faces and ask
"If you had to do it all over again, would you demand that sub-prime loans be made available to anyone?'"
Their response would be fodder for McPalin.

253 Maximu§  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:02:57pm

re: #240 Pvt Bin Jammin

Wish him well, for us, and his friend too.

I was up late last night.....zzzzz.


Thanks, you bet I will.....go to sleep sleepy-head.

254 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:03:01pm

re: #246 soccerdad

Welcome aboard. I've been saying that since he was the nominee. Click on my football.

well, I have to admit my betting among friends is that McCain wins all 50 states in the electoral college

that people will really not vote Obama when the curtain is closed

/boy, I sure hope I am right
maybe I should promise to go to church or something if Obama loses

for a lifelong atheist, would that mean anything ?

255 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:03:41pm

re: #236 Meremortal

Apologies Ozark, I was trying to respond to oldasdirt, and somehow posted to you. It had to be gremlins. Green Valley Raceway was THE dragstrip for the Ft. Worth-Dallas area. Probably still is. If you won your class, you got a choice of a trophy or a nice red leather fender cover to protect your fender and hold your tools while you worked on your baby. The best part the big "Green Valley Champion" printed on it so anyone passing by would be impressed. I ran C Sportsman class.

Green Valley is sadly gone..Condo's.did not start to race there till 1973..but was there almost every weekend from 1965 or so..Gene Snow lived on my street in Poly area..

256 redc1c4  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:04:23pm

re: #248 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Cosworth is Ford, Vega is Chevy... : )

you sure about that?

pink slip sure?

257 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:05:05pm

re: #253 Maximu§

'nite. God Bless America.

258 redc1c4  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:05:30pm

re: #250 Maximu§

Nobody here should ever buy a front-wheel drive Chrysler...ever, never, ever,never, never, ever....never!

I owned a big green 4 door 1998 Chrysler LHS and it was the worst POS I ever owned. I finally parked it at the Ralphs praking lot and started beating it with the tire iron, I kicked in the highly polished front fender and found out it was'nt even metal, it was fiberglass.

that's what you get for shopping at R*lphs..... they're scum.

259 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:05:42pm

re: #250 Maximu§

Nobody here should ever buy a front-wheel drive Chrysler...ever, never, ever,never, never, ever....never!

I owned a big green 4 door 1998 Chrysler LHS and it was the worst POS I ever owned. I finally parked it at the Ralphs praking lot and started beating it with the tire iron, I kicked in the highly polished front fender and found out it was'nt even metal, it was fiberglass.

oh, I bought a Jeep Cherokee in the 80's around when Chysler bought them and it blew fucking up in the driveway the first day

lemon law, a joke
Detroit even told me to pound sand

so I took a big paper mache' lemon and parked in front of the major dealers
eventually they "settled"

fixed everything wrong, again (the list is too numerous for here) and gave us a 5 year addition to the warranty

we sold it the next week for a nice Japanese Acura
the one with the phallic looking shifter

(the wife's choice, not mine)

260 Meremortal  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:05:52pm

re: #255 Oldasdirt

Green Valley gone, that's sad. Ah well, those were the days. I just drove my little everyday '59 Vette over there and had fun. Most of my racing was done on the street.

261 Abu Al-Poopypants  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:06:02pm

I'm a pessimist, and I think that Obama will win decisively.
I also thought Halp Me John Cary would win, so there.

262 pat  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:06:20pm

re: #251 JacksonTn

How are people selected to ask questions at the townhall debate? Are they screened ahead of time?

Simple. All Republicans and those that ask question that require knowledge of what transpired a year before are asked to leave.

263 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:06:33pm

re: #256 redc1c4

you sure about that?

pink slip sure?

Ford,,yes,,very much so..

264 TheMatrix31  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:06:58pm

What's the deal with that poll? Is that pre-Palin-mentioning-Ayers or post?

It's still all about the individual states, though.

265 laZardo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:07:14pm

All this car talk is giving me a craving for Gran Turismo. Or Grand Theft Auto.

Whichever game I can plop into the PS3 first. (: BBL.

266 Inquisitive  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:08:25pm

re: #221 RTLM

Obama has 3 point lead on McCain.


/Wha Haapin to the 8 point lead ?!

Call me dumb....but I just don't understand how these polls can even come close to saying who is ahead. How do they pick who they are going to poll on any given day or do they poll the same people each time. I know we have been called in past years and my hubby tells them it is none of their business who he is voting for.....how would they put that in the poll. What is to say that on any given day they just so happen to get hold of more Obama voters than McCain.....that doesn't mean there is not McCain voters out there.....maybe they just weren't there to be polled at the time. Does someone want to maybe enlighten me a little more on this subject?

267 soccerdad  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:08:41pm

re: #252 solomonpanting

Then I'd love to see a reporter stick a microphone in their faces and ask
"If you had to do it all over again, would you demand that sub-prime loans be made available to anyone?'"
Their response would be fodder for McPalin.


agree with the thought process Solomon. The (unfortunate) reality is Frank and whomever would say something non-committal and spin-worthy while actually VOTING Hell yes on something that keeps that friggin fraud going. effing jerkoffs. That is what they are.

I no longer think that Dems just think differently, but are still patriots. The way they think is dangerous to our union and our country.

268 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:08:47pm

re: #230 Maximu§

He's in his 6th week, so it should be starting real soon for a total of 16 weeks.

Thats cool! Thank him for us. I was just going through my Mom's photo albums (remember those?) and she had pics from my Navy Boot Camp graduation in San Diego.

269 krycek  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:09:33pm

re: #262 pat

Simple. All Republicans and those that ask question that require knowledge of what transpired a year before are asked to leave.

Anyone with a job is asked to leave. Anyone who still pays their mortgage is asked to leave. Anyone else?

270 nightwatch  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:10:10pm

Hello?

Damn, major havoc on previous thread.....where the hell did I leave my rifle? RealWest, could you be a pal and grab my bottle of 92' Sonoma Merlot? I think I left it in the horse barn during that last pistol exchange!

Thanks friend, that one was a pricey little bitch!

Night All...........:}

271 Maximu§  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:11:08pm

re: #258 redc1c4

that's what you get for shopping at R*lphs..... they're scum.

My Ralphs store needs some new girls at the checkstands, the ones we have all have are all banged-up with wrist braces, neck braces, grey hair and mean faces from dealing with millions of customers since "1988"

They need to trade in those Hag's for some new girls....or else I just might shop at Albertsons.

272 Price_of_Peace  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:11:17pm

re: #9 wee fury

The New York Times belongs in an outhouse.

Problem is that it would leave a black residue if used.

273 lummox  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:11:25pm

Polls are taken between 7 am and 4 pm when real citizens are at work.

274 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:11:55pm

re: #232 laZardo

If it's THIS Dodge Colt, then I'll happily start saving. (:

LOL! Funny thing is we had a 1978 Dodge Colt, and it was made by Mitsubishi! I never thought about or knew back then that Mitsubishi Heavy Industries built the Japanese Zero WW2 fighter also.

275 rawmuse  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:12:09pm

re: #270 nightwatch

You are a Troll, as pleasant as a toothache. Reported.

276 RTLM  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:13:05pm

Barney (Fannie Fan) Frank had an intimate relationship with a male executive of Fannie Mae named Herb Moses.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Now that Fannie Mae is at the epicenter of a financial meltdown that threatens the U.S. economy, some are raising new questions about Frank's relationship with Herb Moses, who was Fannie’s assistant director for product initiatives. Moses worked at the government-sponsored enterprise from 1991 to 1998, while Frank was on the House Banking Committee, which had jurisdiction over Fannie.

Both Frank and Moses assured the Wall Street Journal in 1992 that they took pains to avoid any conflicts of interest. Critics, however, remain skeptical.


/Can we just call it "Fannie Frank"?

277 soccerdad  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:13:17pm

re: #268 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Thats cool! Thank him for us. I was just going through my Mom's photo albums (remember those?) and she had pics from my Navy Boot Camp graduation in San Diego.

You graduated from San Diego? That goes a long way back....They closed a while ago. I was a div-o there from 89-92. Remember the Friday parade and the Thursday night deal in the theater? That was fun. I'll never forget the many, many moms and dads who thanked ME for the transformations. I always told them it was their sons who deserve the praise and admiration.

278 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:13:27pm

re: #236 Meremortal

Apologies Ozark, I was trying to respond to oldasdirt, and somehow posted to you. It had to be gremlins. Green Valley Raceway was THE dragstrip for the Ft. Worth-Dallas area. Probably still is. If you won your class, you got a choice of a trophy or a nice red leather fender cover to protect your fender and hold your tools while you worked on your baby. The best part the big "Green Valley Champion" printed on it so anyone passing by would be impressed. I ran C Sportsman class.

lol, no problem!

279 Meremortal  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:13:37pm

re: #263 Oldasdirt

Ford,,yes,,very much so..

The limited-edition 1975 to 1976 Cosworth Vega was a special performance version of the subcompact introduced long before cars like the Golf GTI or Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution. Only 2,062 were built the first year. It was fitted with a fuel-injected DOHC 2.0L 16-valve version of the engine designed by Cosworth Engineering in England, which was famous for its racing engines. This engine was known internally at Cosworth as Project EA. Built by Chevrolet at its Tonawanda engine plant, the engine was fed by Bendix electronic fuel injection controlled by a computer in the glove box. First planned in 1969, the first 1971 development engines delivered an impressive 180 bhp (130 kW). But when finally put into production, the 1975 engines produced only 120 bhp (89 kW). Chevrolet had originally planned to release the Cosworth Vega for the 1974 model year, but a burnt exhaust valve in a test engine caused the engine to fail the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's 50,000-mile emission control system durability test. This delayed the car's introduction until 1975.

The Cosworth Vega's exterior had special gold stripes and "COSWORTH TWIN CAM" lettering on the front fenders and rear cove panel. Interior changes included a gold engine-turned applique' on the instrument panel, a specific tachometer, and a plaque with the car's build sequence number. Also included were wide radial tires on gold-colored alloy wheels, anti-roll bars, and special exhaust with a dual-outlet tip. Air conditioning was not offered on the Cosworth Vega, due to interference between the induction system (specifically the air cleaner) and the air conditioner's evaporator case. At $5,916, it cost double a normal hatchback, and only $900 less than a Corvette. Car and Driver magazine would report "The 3.11 first gear matched to a 3.73 axle ratio makes the Cosworth Vega tough to launch from a stop". They measured 0-60 mph times of 8.7 seconds.

Hope this helps...it's from Wiki.

280 Colonel Panik  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:14:03pm

re: #149 victor_yugo

The Amazon Kindle and its ilk are getting better and more popular every year. And Esquire Magazine just published the world's first E-ink cover, which caused quite a stir where I work.

It isn't often I can point at something and say, with all certainty, "This is the wave of the future."

What kind of crack are you smoking? I've never seen anyone using one of those infernal things.

The very name of the damn thing brings to mind images of burning books and Ray Bradbury's "Fahrenheit 451".

Shudder.

281 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:14:57pm

By some measures, I might be the top media-basher here at LGF. Even so, I usually refrain from piling on Cognito when he arouses the collective ire of the minions.

There is a good reason for this.

Newspapers, traditional print media, are not the problem in the media-industrial complex. Television news certainly is a joke, a very grim one, but it is TV news and its broadcast symbiotes, entertainment and advertising, that create and sustain the characteristic leftward bias within the internal culture of the media industry. Many print outlets conform to this bias, of course, since there is a great deal of cross-pollination between the various species of media, especially at the advertising end. But it is broadcast media that really set the agenda. It is much easier to find a non-leftist newspaper than it is to find a non-leftist TV channel. Even Fox News, which consciously tries to avoid a leftward bias, has drifted to the left as it has matured.

The reason for this is axiomatic: Leftward bias is inherent in the television medium.

TV news bypasses the intellect and appeals directly to the senses and the emotions. Its overall effect (and profitability) depends on such things as the physical appearance and authoritative voice of the reporter, the emotional effect of an orchestrated series of often searing images, the emotional cues in the voices and sounds coming from the speakers.

In contrast, reading a newspaper (even the National Enquirer) is an exercise of the intellect. Little marks on a chunk of processed wood are somehow converted into the most intricate concepts and visualizations.

In a society based on technology and an intricate system of laws, the inherently emotional message of television news is almost inescapably at odds with the social order. It is then, by definition, leftist and subversive. Unfortunately, it is also the best sales tool ever invented, since most advertisers do not want their products and services subjected to rigorous intellectual examination before a buying decision is made.

For more on this subject, see Thomas Frank's landmark cultural history: The Conquest of Cool; Business Culture, Counterculture, and the Rise of Hip Consumerism and "The medium is the message" (Marshall McLuhan, 1964)

282 Maximu§  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:15:03pm

re: #259 Adrenalyn

Chrysler should be pronounced "Cry-sler", cause I cried all the way to the bank....one time as my wife did a 3-point turn around, the rack-and-pinion steering SNAPPED and broke. The factory said "thats impossible", but it happened, they would not cover it and it cost me $770 to fix. It was one of many breakdowns.

283 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:15:08pm

re: #238 Abu Al-Poopypants

I am not making this up -- I have a monitor that I also use as a TV, and my parrot flew over and took a big wet one right down Charlie Gibson's face when he was interviewing Sarah Palin on ABC News.

If there's a bird of the year honor, I'm voting for him (or her)!

284 redc1c4  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:15:19pm

re: #263 Oldasdirt

Ford,,yes,,very much so..

sign it over.....

don't worry: i'll give you a ride home. %-)

285 opnion  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:16:03pm

re: #276 RTLM

Barney (Fannie Fan) Frank had an intimate relationship with a male executive of Fannie Mae named Herb Moses.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

/Can we just call it "Fannie Frank"?

y,
I didn't see it, but didn't O'Riely report this tonight?

286 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:16:06pm

re: #269 krycek

Anyone with a job is asked to leave. Anyone who still pays their mortgage is asked to leave. Anyone else?

Sounds about right ...... Obama Style.

The way I see the Obama financial solution is ...... if you don't pay taxes you will get a tax refund check from someone elses taxes ....... if you don't pay your mortgage and go bankrupt you can negotiate with the court to decrease your interest rate ...... I wish this was a joke but that is exactly what he wants. He has said he will revisit the bankruptcy laws so that people bailing on their mortgage and get better rates.

I just cannot wrap my head around that way of thinking. My head will explode before this election is over.

287 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:16:21pm

re: #241 Oldasdirt

I liked them all,,only won one championship in a GM product,,every other year I ran fords..Had some fast ones,,but broke alot..
Never tried a Dodge.But I did like em..426 Himi,,I only wish.
I did run an altered Lancia 61 model,,but had a 428 CJ in it,,ford 9 inch.

Are you an expert as far as Mopar cars are concerned?

288 redc1c4  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:18:05pm

re: #272 Price_of_Peace

Problem is that it would leave a black residue if used.

well, that's still better than a brown one....... %-)

/white smoke

289 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:18:37pm

re: #256 redc1c4

you sure about that?

pink slip sure?

Yes.

290 RTLM  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:18:50pm

re: #266 Inquisitive

Call me dumb....but I just don't understand how these polls can even come close to saying who is ahead. How do they pick who they are going to poll on any given day or do they poll the same people each time. I know we have been called in past years and my hubby tells them it is none of their business who he is voting for.....how would they put that in the poll. What is to say that on any given day they just so happen to get hold of more Obama voters than McCain.....that doesn't mean there is not McCain voters out there.....maybe they just weren't there to be polled at the time. Does someone want to maybe enlighten me a little more on this subject?

Polls are what they are. Its said there are lies, DAMN lies and statistics. The reason this poll counts is because its within 30 days and that Rueters, Zogby and -Span are involved. Zogby has been an accurate poll thriught the last few elections
And all polls want to be right at the end of the day.

291 Maximu§  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:19:46pm

Kolchack-The Night Stalker is on the Chiller channel....course most of you youngsters would'nt remember that show.

292 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:19:51pm

re: #287 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Are you an expert as far as Mopar cars are concerned?

I'm only asking because I have a question, and it would take a Dodge fanatic/expert to answer.

293 spidly  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:20:21pm

re: #12 Cognito

Unfortunately newspapers are still the very best we've got.

Painful, I know, but there it is. Television is a joke. Blogs have no money.

The trick is finding a good paper and learning its strengths and weaknesses. I suggest starting with the Wall Street Journal, which I'll say -- again -- did its level best to warn of the current financial implosion, for years.

there's got to be some kind of hardcopy. the interweb memory hole makes all that soviet style revision Kos to MSM engage in way too easy

294 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:20:49pm

re: #276 RTLM

Barney (Fannie Fan) Frank had an intimate relationship with a male executive of Fannie Mae named Herb Moses.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

/Can we just call it "Fannie Frank"?

Barney is in trouble now,he got splanin to do.
splanin=cuban for explaining,,I loved Lucy.

295 Bobibutu  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:21:59pm

re: #282 Maximu§

Chrysler should be pronounced "Cry-sler", cause I cried all the way to the bank....one time as my wife did a 3-point turn around, the rack-and-pinion steering SNAPPED and broke. The factory said "thats impossible", but it happened, they would not cover it and it cost me $770 to fix. It was one of many breakdowns.

Hmmm ... I had a Cordoba .. I think a 77 or 78 vintage ... carried me fine for a good number of years - no problems - and a rocket when needed.

296 RTLM  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:22:12pm

re: #285 opnion

y,
I didn't see it, but didn't O'Riely report this tonight?

Yes, he did. I saw this earlier, but laughed it off as so much bait. But its not bait.

Its a mound of fresh red meat.

297 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:22:38pm

re: #263 Oldasdirt

Ford,,yes,,very much so..

Then I apologize. The words "Ford" and "Cosworth" were always associated with me.

298 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:23:03pm

re: #280 Colonel Panik

What kind of crack are you smoking? I've never seen anyone using one of those infernal things.

The very name of the damn thing brings to mind images of burning books and Ray Bradbury's "Fahrenheit 451".

Shudder.

I just looked it up ......... I cannot figure it out.....

[Link: www.structuralgraphics.com...]

[Link: www.boston.com...]

299 Price_of_Peace  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:23:06pm

re: #119 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Of course, dragsters do 325 mph for about 1300 feet. Indy cars can run at 225 mph for 500 miles or more.

/Just sayin'...

Different "strokes" for different folks, right? A dragster has to tame the beast and the Indy driver has to drive in "road rage" traffic for 500 miles. Sounds like fun either way.

300 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:23:57pm

re: #291 Maximu§

Kolchack-The Night Stalker is on the Chiller channel....course most of you youngsters would'nt remember that show.

Not a bad show. Ahead of its time in some respects

301 victor_yugo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:24:25pm

re: #280 Colonel Panik

What kind of crack are you smoking? I've never seen anyone using one of those infernal things.

Why don't you just change your nick to "Pauline Kael"?

302 opnion  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:24:25pm

re: #296 RTLM

Yes, he did. I saw this earlier, but laughed it off as so much bait. But its not bait.

Its a mound of fresh red meat.

r
If this is true frank has a serious cionfict of interest, but he can scream gat bashing.

303 SurferDoc  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:24:40pm

re: #55 Maximu§

Story of my life...I have a new 08 Mustang in the garage, but I don't want it anymore. This new Dodge Challenger looks awesome.

Have a 2000 GT. Had a 1990 notchback coupe, former CHP pursuit. Mustangs Forever!

304 Bobibutu  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:24:59pm

re: #297 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Then I apologize. The words "Ford" and "Cosworth" were always associated with me.

Cosworth taught engines how to breathe - they were the innovators in their day.

305 opnion  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:25:15pm

re: #302 opnion

r
If this is true frank has a serious cionfict of interest, but he can scream gat bashing.

I mean "Gay Bashing"

306 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:25:34pm

re: #302 opnion

r
If this is true frank has a serious cionfict of interest, but he can scream gat bashing.

Barney and Maxine are the two most comical idiots in congress. They absolutely remind me of cartoon characters.

307 krycek  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:25:43pm

Any updates on the Palin email hack? Is the FBI waiting until after the election to make an arrest?

308 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:27:08pm

re: #307 krycek

Any updates on the Palin email hack? Is the FBI waiting until after the election to make an arrest?

I believe they brought in folks for questioning, gave them a stern talking thru and let them go. Havent heard anything else.

309 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:27:20pm

But soft, what light through yonder window breaks?

310 victor_yugo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:27:28pm

re: #290 RTLM

Polls are what they are. Its said there are lies, DAMN lies and statistics. The reason this poll counts is because its within 30 days and that Rueters, Zogby and -Span are involved. Zogby has been an accurate poll thriught the last few elections
And all polls want to be right at the end of the day.

The signal:noise ratio is going to get worse, not better, the closer we get to the vote. From here on out, probably the only poll worth watching for is the Weekly Reader poll, where kids show what their parents are saying in private.

311 Maximu§  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:27:44pm

Nite gang, see you all tomarrow...~yawning~

312 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:27:46pm

re: #287 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Are you an expert as far as Mopar cars are concerned?

I know a little about all muscle cars,,I grew up with them,,but an expert..no.
I had a 61 Dodge Lancer with a ford motor in it....Opps..i did say lancia,,sorry.

313 redc1c4  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:28:00pm

re: #271 Maximu§

My Ralphs store needs some new girls at the checkstands, the ones we have all have are all banged-up with wrist braces, neck braces, grey hair and mean faces from dealing with millions of customers since "1988"

They need to trade in those Hag's for some new girls....or else I just might shop at Albertsons.

that's because the stores treat & pay the new employees poorly, so they don't stay and the older folks are just hanging on, due to years served, and the lack of alternatives. the wrist braces are mostly from repetitive motion injuries, and i'd guess the rest are from lifting wrong from the checkout station design

a dirty secret of the industry is that the west coast, and particularly California, generates higher profits than supermarkets in the rest of the country, so the national chains do all they can here to squeeze out every cent they can for the corporate bottom line.

i w*rked at R*alphs corporate HQ for 6 months, and i can tell you first hand, they treat all their employees like scum. BTW: did you know that when you get a flu shot there, at least half of your price is pure profit?

314 redc1c4  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:28:30pm

re: #289 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Yes.

see #284...... %-)

315 victor_yugo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:28:31pm

re: #309 Cognito

But soft, what light through yonder window breaks?

Better light than a stray baseball.

316 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:28:42pm

re: #297 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Then I apologize. The words "Ford" and "Cosworth" were always associated with me.

Me to,,but i do remember a Vega now..that was some years back.

317 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:29:27pm

re: #272 Price_of_Peace

Problem is that it would leave a black residue if used.

Racist!
/

318 nightwatch  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:29:47pm

re: #275 rawmuse

WHAT? Can't a guy get any sleep around here without the garbage trucks
thumping around with union drivers who don't give no shit NO HOW?

You are now my MOST favorite tool.....FOOL!

319 redc1c4  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:29:51pm

re: #292 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I'm only asking because I have a question, and it would take a Dodge fanatic/expert to answer.

ask away: you might get lucky

320 Price_of_Peace  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:31:09pm

re: #309 Cognito

But soft, what light through yonder window breaks?

What a bundle of positive energy this brings.

///

321 victor_yugo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:31:32pm
322 opnion  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:32:12pm

re: #310 victor_yugo

The signal:noise ratio is going to get worse, not better, the closer we get to the vote. From here on out, probably the only poll worth watching for is the Weekly Reader poll, where kids show what their parents are saying in private.

If anybody doubts what depths that the MSM can sink to, think Rather & Mapes.

323 Price_of_Peace  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:32:35pm

re: #317 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Racist!
/

Old enough to know.

324 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:33:45pm

re: #320 Price_of_Peace

What a bundle of positive energy this brings.

///

Well. It's only a glimmer, but it's something. Australia Fair.

325 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:34:13pm

re: #291 Maximu§

Kolchack-The Night Stalker is on the Chiller channel....course most of you youngsters would'nt remember that show.

The movie or the series, Max?

326 nightwatch  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:35:21pm

re: #226 Cognito

"SSSSMMMMMACCCKKKKK!"

Sweet dreams cupcake ;}

327 Inquisitive  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:35:26pm

I am looking at USATODAY poll tracker......they have three states that are gray(N.D/S.D/Ark).....which means..not enough data. Why? Are they not polling in those states...What states are they polling in. Is it just the ones they think are battle states?

328 Colonel Panik  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:35:51pm

re: #259 Adrenalyn

we sold it the next week for a nice Japanese Acura
the one with the phallic looking shifter

(the wife's choice, not mine)

I just bought a 1992 Integra. It was a snowbird car, single owner. It only has 92k miles on it. It's hard to find one of those that hasn't been all boy racer'd out by the Fast and Furious import tuner crowd so I snapped it up. The interior is immaculate.
Always liked the looks of that body style Integra. Clean lines.
And the dashbord layout is as close to ergonomically perfect as any car I've ever owned, including SAABs which are supposed to be the bees knees as far as cabin ergonomics are concerned due to their aviation lineage.

I drove it out to Goodyear from Ahwatukee 2 weeks ago on the I-10 to visit a customer as I wanted to check the freeway mileage as I had only been using it for grocery trips and trips to the Y to swim. I got 36mpg on that trip varying from about 35-45 mph in bumper to bumper traffic to 70-75 with the cruise control on. Not bad for a 16 year old car.

329 markie  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:35:56pm

re: #288 redc1c4

well, that's still better than a brown one....... %-)

/white smoke

The new soy inks don't rub off...wipe with gusto.

330 spidly  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:35:59pm

re: #276 RTLM

Barney (Fannie Fan) Frank had an intimate relationship with a male executive of Fannie Mae named Herb Moses.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

/Can we just call it "Fannie Frank"?

Herb Moses is an awesome name though

331 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:36:07pm

re: #295 Bobibutu

Hmmm ... I had a Cordoba .. I think a 77 or 78 vintage ... carried me fine for a good number of years - no problems - and a rocket when needed.

Must have the "Fine Corinthian Leather" as Ricardo Montoban said in the commercials! : )

332 victor_yugo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:36:26pm

re: #322 opnion

I'm not talking about the reporting of the numbers, I'm talking only about the numbers themselves and how meaningful they are. For example, take a look at the Ohio 2004 polling trends. The closer to Election Day, the noisier the numbers got.

Remember, there's only one poll that truly matters.

333 Colonel Panik  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:37:54pm

re: #331 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Must have the "Fine Corinthian Leather" as Ricardo Montoban said in the commercials! : )

LOL! You beat me to it.

Corrrdoba!

334 Bobibutu  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:39:11pm

re: #331 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Must have the "Fine Corinthian Leather" as Ricardo Montoban said in the commercials! : )

Yep - light tan - loved the car.

335 RTLM  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:39:38pm

re: #310 victor_yugo

The signal:noise ratio is going to get worse, not better, the closer we get to the vote. From here on out, probably the only poll worth watching for is the Weekly Reader poll, where kids show what their parents are saying in private.

They've been right 12 for 13. We'll see that one on October 29th.

336 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:39:54pm

re: #266 Inquisitive

Call me dumb....but I just don't understand how these polls can even come close to saying who is ahead. How do they pick who they are going to poll on any given day or do they poll the same people each time. I know we have been called in past years and my hubby tells them it is none of their business who he is voting for.....how would they put that in the poll. What is to say that on any given day they just so happen to get hold of more Obama voters than McCain.....that doesn't mean there is not McCain voters out there.....maybe they just weren't there to be polled at the time. Does someone want to maybe enlighten me a little more on this subject?

I'll take this one.....

say you want a pro-Obama poll
ok, cool
we'll dial in on random numbers in say the 510 area code
that's Oakland - you know, Cleveland on the Coast
or Detroit by the bay

or we dial in maybe the 213 area code
South Central L.A.

but don't ever just dial a random10 digit number, hell no
you gotta pick the area code you want
and maybe even a prefix within that code to really narrow down to the neighborhood

ya know the old saying
all politics is local
well, so is polling

337 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:41:29pm

I'm bringing this up from downstairs because I'm not letting this go unchecked:

re: #451 Cognito

I haven't said that.

My point is that people are confusing private and public utilities.

You can be angry at your newspaper for not uncovering the financial mess. (Although you may blame yourself, as well, for not reading the right paper, such as the WSJ for one.) But your anger cannot extend beyond your subscription price. Papers are merely private enterprises created for profit.

Now. The public utility -- the one not created for profit, but for direct governmental representation -- bears the responsibility of unearthing the financial crisis not because it wants your subscription, but because its whole purpose is oversight.

In other words: Papers owe it to themselves and their bottom line to do a good job. The Senate owes it to you.

Wait- what? The press has been given special protection by the Constitution to be a pivotal player in helping the American public keep an eye on Government, and you try to push this off on us?! How are the American people supposed to be able to hold Congress and/or the President accountable if the press doesn't assist us in keeping us informed?

338 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:41:34pm

re: #328 Colonel Panik

I just bought a 1992 Integra. It was a snowbird car, single owner. It only has 92k miles on it. It's hard to find one of those that hasn't been all boy racer'd out by the Fast and Furious import tuner crowd so I snapped it up. The interior is immaculate.
Always liked the looks of that body style Integra. Clean lines.
And the dashbord layout is as close to ergonomically perfect as any car I've ever owned, including SAABs which are supposed to be the bees knees as far as cabin ergonomics are concerned due to their aviation lineage.

I drove it out to Goodyear from Ahwatukee 2 weeks ago on the I-10 to visit a customer as I wanted to check the freeway mileage as I had only been using it for grocery trips and trips to the Y to swim. I got 36mpg on that trip varying from about 35-45 mph in bumper to bumper traffic to 70-75 with the cruise control on. Not bad for a 16 year old car.

heck, I have a 27 year old bike with under 10,000 miles on it
I am the original owner and it's never been crashed

'course I have some newer ones too
some Japanese, and American

339 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:42:38pm

re: #337 Sharmuta

I'm bringing this up from downstairs because I'm not letting this go unchecked:

re: #451 Cognito


Wait- what? The press has been given special protection by the Constitution to be a pivotal player in helping the American public keep an eye on Government, and you try to push this off on us?! How are the American people supposed to be able to hold Congress and/or the President accountable if the press doesn't assist us in keeping us informed?

Thank heavens you didn't let that go 'unchecked.'

Whew!

340 victor_yugo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:43:25pm

re: #328 Colonel Panik

I got that beat.

I got a Honda in 1998, from its first owner. He kept very good records on it, so I could see that about 5,000 miles from new, it got 42 mpg. When he sold it to me, with 87K miles on it, it got 42 mpg. Pretty good.

When I moved back to the Midwest from California in 2006, I had the car packed down with about 2/3 of my worldly possessions. I'm not kidding when I say it got 46 mpg on that trip. I ran the numbers three times, to make sure I didn't screw them up. I had a hard time believing that so much weight didn't keep it from getting such stellar mileage.

It now has 261K miles on it. I'll never again in my life get such a good return on a $2,500 investment.

341 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:43:35pm

re: #339 Cognito

Answer me. How is the American public supposed to hold Washington accountable ifthe press isn't our watchdog?

342 rednaxela  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:43:49pm

Here's the video of McCain in Alburquerque.

Much much better when he's fighting. He should have known that after the last 3 minutes of his RNC speech. So why not do it more often, dog gonnit.

343 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:44:22pm

re: #341 Sharmuta

Answer me. How is the American public supposed to hold Washington accountable ifthe press isn't our watchdog?

Of course the press should be a watchdog, Sharmuta. Once again you've either spectacularly missed the point, or you're purposefully trying.

344 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:44:48pm

re: #301 victor_yugo

Why don't you just change your nick to "Pauline Kael"?

I vote for Tawney Kitaen

345 rednaxela  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:46:16pm

re: #337 Sharmuta

IIRC the Supreme Court does not make distinctions between freedom of the press and freedom of speech.

And indeed, they shouldn't. Otherwise all of us here on this blog might be more restricted in what we can say than CBS and NBC and NYT and all those asswipes.

346 Inquisitive  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:46:34pm

re: #336 Adrenalyn

I'll take this one.....

say you want a pro-Obama poll
ok, cool
we'll dial in on random numbers in say the 510 area code
that's Oakland - you know, Cleveland on the Coast
or Detroit by the bay

or we dial in maybe the 213 area code
South Central L.A.

but don't ever just dial a random10 digit number, hell no
you gotta pick the area code you want
and maybe even a prefix within that code to really narrow down to the neighborhood

ya know the old saying
all politics is local
well, so is polling

So.....you are saying that those that are doing the polling are not really fair on their polling.....they are picking who that want to win.....and hopefully people will see this and say.....Why I might as well vote for that person because he must be the best or there wouldn't be so many other people going to vote for him/her like the polls are saying they are going to. Why everyone wants to vote for the winner....so they vote for who the polls show are ahead. I have never believed in the polls....but after everyone talking about them and I thought I would give it some more thought.....but I guess I was right from the start not to believe in them.

347 spidly  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:46:57pm

what really gets me is a huge portion of the Jewish community will read the rags and see stories about zionazis slaughtering helpless jordyptians and baking Mo al-Durrah into matzos, and get upset at the lies
BUT
stories of bushitler and his oil stealing stormtroopers ravaging the world - TRUE! - we saw it in the Times!

348 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:46:59pm

re: #341 Sharmuta

Answer me. How is the American public supposed to hold Washington accountable ifthe press isn't our watchdog?

um, let me help you - spelling was always my forte' dear poster

the press is the guarddog of the democrat party

349 Colonel Panik  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:47:14pm

re: #301 victor_yugo

Why don't you just change your nick to "Pauline Kael"?

Seriously, dude, I've never seen anyone with one of the damn things and I spend a lot of time in major hub airports like Phoenix and Denver where people are carrying every type of electronic gizmo imaginable.

350 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:47:18pm

re: #343 Cognito

Was this your point?

Papers owe it to themselves and their bottom line to do a good job. The Senate owes it to you.

So in other words- you're just making more excuses for the press.

351 victor_yugo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:47:31pm

re: #337 Sharmuta

Wait- what? The press has been given special protection by the Constitution to be a pivotal player in helping the American public keep an eye on Government, and you try to push this off on us?! How are the American people supposed to be able to hold Congress and/or the President accountable if the press doesn't assist us in keeping us informed?

Ask anyone at the New York Slimes how much they've kept an eye on GWB.

As for neglecting their Constitutionally-protected jobs, market forces are supposed to take care of that.

Face it, the Constitution is their protector, but the American consumer is their enabler.

352 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:48:10pm

re: #351 victor_yugo

Ask anyone at the New York Slimes how much they've kept an eye on GWB.

As for neglecting their Constitutionally-protected jobs, market forces are supposed to take care of that.

Face it, the Constitution is their protector, but the American consumer is their enabler.

The press is the enabler of the democratic money cult in Congress.

353 Mel Lono  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:48:17pm

re: #291 Maximu§

Kolchack-The Night Stalker is on the Chiller channel....course most of you youngsters would'nt remember that show.

The Brain that wouldnt Die.
Oh I'm old enough to remember this one. Scared the Bejesus out of me at 6 yrs. old.

p.s don't look in the closet.

354 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:48:56pm

re: #350 Sharmuta

Was this your point?

So in other words- you're just making more excuses for the press.

No, Sharmuta.

You plucked a comment from a back-and-forth between me and someone else on another thread, transplanted it here, and expect me to explain it to you. You can either sort it out, being fully capable, or you can consult the original thread for any follow-ups.

355 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:50:02pm

re: #346 Inquisitive

not just that, but I've not seen anyone else call that aspect of unfair polling

most folks will tell you it is the way the question is posed

such as:

dear ____:

given that Bush kicks puppies every morning on the way to get the paper
would you vote for him or Kerry, who was a veterinarian before he became a senator

356 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:50:25pm

re: #319 redc1c4

ask away: you might get lucky

There's a guy about a mile from me that has a little "junkyard". He has what looks to be a wrecked 1969 Dodge Daytona- Here's what it looked like back then- [Link: www.get-in2.com...] The car he has is missing the front end, but I've only seen it driving along the highway. I saw one of these cars sell for about $800,000 restored on Speedchannel, so I figure even this partial car might be valuable.

357 victor_yugo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:51:20pm

re: #349 Colonel Panik

Seriously, dude, I've never seen anyone with one of the damn things and I spend a lot of time in major hub airports like Phoenix and Denver where people are carrying every type of electronic gizmo imaginable.

So? Pauline Kael didn't know anyone who voted for Nixon, either. And I've never seen a million dollars in cash.

358 Syrah  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:51:24pm

There are ways to make the polls work for you.

Seriously, ignore the polls.

Make sure to get everyone that you know who will vote for McCain to the polls on the first Tuesday, November 4th and every one you know who will vote for Obama to the polls on the 2nd Tuesday, November the 11th. ;-)

Getting out the vote is what will make or break this election.

359 stuiec  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:52:27pm

re: #23 laZardo

The Wayside Chapel

An English schoolteacher, was in Switzerland and looking for a room to rent for when she would begin her teaching there the following fall. She asked the schoolmaster if he would recommed any. He took her to see several rooms, and when everything was settled she returned home to make final preparations for the move. When she arrived home, the thought suddenly occured to her that she had not seen a Water Closet (toilet) around the place. She immediately wrote a note to the schoolmaster asking him if there was a "W.C." near the room.

The schoolmaster was a poor master of english so he asked the parish priest about the meaning of the letters "W.C." and the only solution they could come up with for the letters was "Wayside Chapel". The schoolmaster then wrote the following note to the English lady seeking a "W.C." with her room.

Dear Madam: I take great comfort in informing you that a "W.C." is situated nine miles from the house in the corner of a beautiful grove of pine trees, surrounded by lovely grounds. It is capable of holding 229 people, and it is open on Sundays and Thursdays only. As there are a great many people expected during the summer months, I would suggest that you come early, although there is usually plenty of standing room. This is an unfortunate situation, particularly if you are in the habit of going regularly. You will no doubt be glad to hear that a good many bring their lunch and make a day of it, while others, who can't afford to go by car, arrive just in time. I would especially advise your ladyship to go on Thursdays when there is an organ accompaniest. The acoustics are excellent and even the most delicate sounds can be heared everywhere. It may interest you to know that my daughter was married in the "W.C." and it was there that she met her husband. I can remember the rush there was for seats. There were ten people to a seat usually reserved for one, and it was wonderful to see the expression on their faces.

The newest attraction is a bell, donated by a wealthy resident of the district, which rings every time a person enters. A Bazaar is to be held to raise money for plush seats for all, since the people believe it is a long felt want. My wife is rather delicate so she can't go regularly: it is almost a year since she went last. Naturally it pains her not to be able to go more often. I shall be delighted to reserve the best seat for you, if you wish, where you will be seen by all. For the children there is a special time so that they will not disturb the elders.

Hoping to have been of some service to you, I remain,

Sincerely, The Schoolmaster

360 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:53:51pm

re: #354 Cognito

Cop out.

361 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:54:28pm

re: #360 Sharmuta


That's cool.

362 stuiec  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:55:06pm

re: #54 Cognito

Sorry, no. Those wonderful WSJ stories you can get online are paid for by the print side.

Post 12 still stands.

You mean, my subscription to the online edition doesn't count?

363 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:55:37pm

re: #362 stuiec

You mean, my subscription to the online edition doesn't count?

Are they still doing that? I thought they'd done away with it.

364 Mel Lono  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:56:32pm

re: #359 stuiec

Interesting story. This is my favorite, very local, WC.
Wayfarers Chapel

365 Oriculum  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:57:47pm

re: #355 Adrenalyn

dear ____:

given that Bush kicks puppies every morning on the way to get the paper
would you vote for him or Kerry, who was a veterinarian before he became a senator

<moonbat> That's obviously a lie... Bush can't read! </moonbat>

366 Colonel Panik  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:58:28pm

re: #357 victor_yugo

So? Pauline Kael didn't know anyone who voted for Nixon, either. And I've never seen a million dollars in cash.

The Pauline Kael analogy just isn't appropriate.

Point being, if the Kindle (g_d I hate that name!) was as popular and trendy as you claim it to be, surely I would have seen someone carrying one by now in a major airport, where people are always using laptops, PDAs, cellphones, iPods etc. The damn thing has been on the market for nearly a year now, and I have yet to see one other than on Amazon's website.

Is Amazon paying you to pimp it?

367 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:59:15pm

re: #361 Cognito

Dillhole- one person called you on that bullshit and said about the same thing I did and this was your brilliant follow-up:

Of course. Hypocrisy and propagandizing always deserve revulsion. But to say the media caused the current economic meltdown is risible.

No one blamed the media for this financial crisis. What the media was blamed for was not helping the American people understand it, to which now you're trying to pin on the Senate. As if the democrat controlled Senate is going to investigate this without public outcry, which is difficult for the public to muster if they're not aware of the problem or don't understand it.

So tonight you've shoved msm responsibility for the lack of the public's information on this situation onto the public for not reading the WSJ and the Senate.

You are scum.

368 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:00:27am

re: #367 Sharmuta

Dillhole- one person called you on that bullshit and said about the same thing I did and this was your brilliant follow-up:

No one blamed the media for this financial crisis. What the media was blamed for was not helping the American people understand it, to which now you're trying to pin on the Senate. As if the democrat controlled Senate is going to investigate this without public outcry, which is difficult for the public to muster if they're not aware of the problem or don't understand it.

So tonight you've shoved msm responsibility for the lack of the public's information on this situation onto the public for not reading the WSJ and the Senate.

You are scum.

Wow. All right.

369 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:00:35am

re: #363 Cognito

Are they still doing that? I thought they'd done away with it.

You mean you're not informed on this issue? Call your Senators and demand an investigation!

370 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:01:15am

re: #369 Sharmuta

You mean you're not informed on this issue? Call your Senators and demand an investigation!

thanks

371 Syrah  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:01:23am
372 Oldasdirt  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:02:23am

re: #356 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

There's a guy about a mile from me that has a little "junkyard". He has what looks to be a wrecked 1969 Dodge Daytona- Here's what it looked like back then- [Link: www.get-in2.com...] The car he has is missing the front end, but I've only seen it driving along the highway. I saw one of these cars sell for about $800,000 restored on Speedchannel, so I figure even this partial car might be valuable.

Has the one in junkyard got the wing?

373 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:03:10am
374 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:03:45am

re: #337 Sharmuta

I'm bringing this up from downstairs because I'm not letting this go unchecked:

re: #451 Cognito


Wait- what? The press has been given special protection by the Constitution to be a pivotal player in helping the American public keep an eye on Government, and you try to push this off on us?! How are the American people supposed to be able to hold Congress and/or the President accountable if the press doesn't assist us in keeping us informed?

A conundrum if I ever heard one. But that's the problem. When the press stops being the inquisitors, and starts being cheerleaders, then all their credibility is gone.

And all their credibility died in 2008.

The funny/sad thing is they don't seem to care, but like you had pointed out earlier, it will only lead to less and less people trusting what they read, so newspaper sales will decline.

They don't seem to understand that by losing all objectivity, they're hanging themselves.

Who was it who said something like if your enemy is going to hang themselves, by all means get out of the way and let them do it?

Good riddance, Main Stream Media. I'll love watching you all die a slow and painful death while you're asking each other "what happened?"

375 victor_yugo  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:05:18am

re: #366 Colonel Panik

I do no business with Amazon.

It does not show you in a strong position, that the best counter-argument you can come up with is to accuse me of vested interest. Will you next suggest I change my nick to "Gwen Ifill"?

376 Mel Lono  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:05:29am

re: #366 Colonel Panik

From what I gathered in 2 minutes scrolling, Kindle is an ebook touted by Amazon that has virtually no readership, correct? And no prospects for an upgrade in the next year. Move on, not org.

377 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:06:35am

re: #370 Cognito

You are a hypocrite and propagandist.

378 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:07:07am

re: #377 Sharmuta

You are a hypocrite and propagandist.

Sounds good to me. Thank you for helping me see it.

379 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:07:50am

re: #350 Sharmuta

Was this your point?

So in other words- you're just making more excuses for the press.

Nope, he's a moron. Always has been, always will be. One who likes to argue for the sake of arguing.

380 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:09:17am

re: #379 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Nope, he's a moron. Always has been, always will be. One who likes to argue for the sake of arguing.

By all means, take a glance over this little argument, which started in post 337, and please reconfirm who's arguing.

381 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:09:37am

re: #378 Cognito

Sounds good to me. Thank you for helping me see it.

You're also a liar. I wish you did see it, but you refuse to. THAT is why I called you lazy earlier. If I were you , I'd expect continued difficult times for your beloved msm. The people are waking up to the bias and will find alternatives.

382 capitalist piglet  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:09:44am

Just in case no one has been on this yet, hell has frozen over. CNN reports on Obama and Ayers, and there were actually a couple of things in here that were new to me. It's actually a decent report, illustrating pretty well that Obama is a liar. Anderson Cooper, of course, tries to pinch hit for Obama, but his defense is weak.

Of course, it's pretty late, I'm tired, and maybe I've just fallen asleep and I'm having a dream.

383 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:09:54am

re: #381 Sharmuta

You're also a liar. I wish you did see it, but you refuse to. THAT is why I called you lazy earlier. If I were you , I'd expect continued difficult times for your beloved msm. The people are waking up to the bias and will find alternatives.

Hmm. Yes.

384 victor_yugo  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:09:56am

re: #374 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

When the press stops being the inquisitors, and starts being cheerleaders, then all their credibility is gone.

Interesting story: At a 2004 panel discussion about a recent tech-sector lawsuit, a Brit commented that nowhere but in the USA had he ever seen the press stand up and applaud at the end of a news conference.

And all their credibility died in 2008 1980 1968.

Better.

385 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:10:10am

re: #372 Oldasdirt

Has the one in junkyard got the wing?

Yes! That's the first thing I noticed.

386 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:12:19am

re: #380 Cognito

By all means, take a glance over this little argument, which started in post 337, and please reconfirm who's arguing.

I'm the argumentative one, but that still leaves you as the moron.

387 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:12:43am

re: #386 Sharmuta

I'm the argumentative one, but that still leaves you as the moron.

Indeed.

388 stuiec  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:12:58am

re: #281 Shiplord Kirel

Newspapers are less and less able to afford reporters, and certainly far less able to afford bureaux in other cities and countries.

Thus they rely on the Associated Press as a means to gather news collectively.

And the Associated Press reports the news with a decided slant to the left, and a good deal of editorializing within its 'hard news' stories.

No matter what the editorial philosophy of a particular newspaper, if it relies on AP stories to fill its news pages, it appears to its readers to have a left bias.

(That doesn't explain the left bias on the news pages of the Wall Street Journal -- that came from the 'leadership' of guys like Al Hunt. One wonders why the editorial side never cracked down on the news side to force them to be, at a bare minimum, unbiased.)

389 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:13:15am

re: #380 Cognito

By all means, take a glance over this little argument, which started in post 337, and please reconfirm who's arguing.

Start at 337? Are you friggin' kidding me? I can go back months...337?

390 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:14:09am

re: #389 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Start at 337? Are you friggin' kidding me? I can go back months...337?

And yet, you have only to go back to 337 if you care to.

391 spidly  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:14:12am

re: #389 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Start at 337? Are you friggin' kidding me? I can go back months...337?

dude, are they ex something-or-others?

392 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:14:52am

re: #391 spidly

dude, are they ex something-or-others?

Ha. I'm watching with as much amusement as you are.

393 redc1c4  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:15:03am

re: #356 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

There's a guy about a mile from me that has a little "junkyard". He has what looks to be a wrecked 1969 Dodge Daytona- Here's what it looked like back then- [Link: www.get-in2.com...] The car he has is missing the front end, but I've only seen it driving along the highway. I saw one of these cars sell for about $800,000 restored on Speedchannel, so I figure even this partial car might be valuable.

your link no w*rky, but wiki says that they are pushing 6 figures, and the 426 version is ~ $300K. worth a look, and grab the vin number, a dealer can tell you for sure by looking it up. just don't seem *too* interested..... "i just want something i can w*rk on with my kids..."

394 lilliew  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:16:00am

Has anyone else seen this?

Barack Obama's ties to Ralia Odinga

SCARY stuff. Has this had any visibility yet?

395 Colonel Panik  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:16:27am

re: #375 victor_yugo

I do no business with Amazon.

It does not show you in a strong position, that the best counter-argument you can come up with is to accuse me of vested interest. Will you next suggest I change my nick to "Gwen Ifill"?

No, that was just the icing on the cake.
My argument, which you are persistently ignoring, is that I travel on business at least twice a month, out of one the busiest airports in the US, and I have yet to see anyone using a Kindle. Business travelers are usually the earliest adopters of handheld electronic devices, so again, if the Kindle is as trendy and popular as you claim, surely I would have seen someone in either Phoenix or Denver airport using one by now, as it has been on the market for over a year.

It doesn't show you in a very strong position to continue to ignore that simple fact.

If you do not have a financial stake in the device you certainly have an emotional stake in it because you certainly are being an a**hole about it.

And that's the last I have to say on the subject. Have a good night.

396 Syrah  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:16:34am

Wind storm here tonight. It will likely be a little rough on the water tomorrow.

/There is something really neat up for auction. It went out of my range when the bidding moved north of $600. Not that I could afford her upkeep, but sometimes, it is fun to have a little daydream.

397 victor_yugo  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:16:45am

re: #393 redc1c4

your link no w*rky, but wiki says that they are pushing 6 figures, and the 426 version is ~ $300K. worth a look, and grab the vin number, a dealer can tell you for sure by looking it up. just don't seem *too* interested..... "i just want something i can w*rk on with my kids..."

Try this link instead.

398 stuiec  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:16:52am

re: #363 Cognito

Are they still doing that? I thought they'd done away with it.

The New York Times did away with theirs, finding that no one wanted to pay to read Maureen Dowd or Paul Krugman.

The WSJ has quite a lot of paid online subscribers.

The Wall Street Journal print franchise has more than 750 journalists world-wide, part of the Dow Jones network of nearly 1,800 business and financial news staff in bureaus across the globe. Other publications that are part of The Wall Street Journal franchise, with a total circulation of 2.7 million, include The Wall Street Journal Asia; The Wall Street Journal Europe; and The Wall Street Journal Online (www.wsj.com). A complement to the print Journal, the Online Journal is the largest paid subscription news site on the Web — with 1 million paid subscribers as of the third quarter of 2007.

399 Bobibutu  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:17:09am

re: #394 lilliew

Has anyone else seen this?

Barack Obama's ties to Ralia Odinga

SCARY stuff. Has this had any visibility yet?

Much.

400 capitalist piglet  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:17:58am

re: #394 lilliew

Has anyone else seen this?

Barack Obama's ties to Ralia Odinga

SCARY stuff. Has this had any visibility yet?

I've been watching some of that stuff on YouTube - there's lots about it there. I'm guessing that's another shoe to drop after this one has sunk in...don't want to saturate things too much, I would guess. (Be sure to watch that CNN report on Ayers, linked up a few posts, if you haven't yet - you'll be surprised at how damning it is, I think.)

401 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:18:56am

"Micheal Moore films are what stupid people cite when they want others to think they are smart"

-Fenway Nation

402 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:20:27am

re: #391 spidly

dude, are they ex something-or-others?

Huh? I'm talking about Cognito, and his/her propensity to argue, with whomever, just for the sake of arguing.

You dig "dude"? Far out!

It has nothing to with Sharmuta and Cog specifically.

403 Oldasdirt  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:21:10am

re: #385 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Yes! That's the first thing I noticed.

I you first check on the internet and can find whats called the front clip,thats Hood,fenders,and the nosecone,then you may be in luck.Also try to make sure the frame still tracks straight.

404 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:21:11am

re: #398 stuiec

Yeah, that business info is good. It brings a paying readership.

To the original point -- not that it really matters anymore, I guess -- is that the infrastructure on which the online 'papers' rest is the print operation.

There's a real battle lining up at the moment between the WSJ and the Times. Should be interesting. Will probably improve both papers. I hope, anyway.

405 stuiec  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:22:04am

re: #364 Mel Lono

Very lovely.

406 Athos  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:22:49am

re: #404 Cognito

A real battle brewing? They've been in a battle for the past 3 or 4 years regarding print and internet. The winner is apparent on sev