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Open | Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 9:38:06 pm PDT

A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant and the crazy crazier.

H. L. Mencken

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1 zombie  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:38:49pm
A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant and the crazy crazier.

A prescient glimpse into the moonbat-MSM relationship!

2 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:39:19pm
A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant and the crazy crazier.

I agree. It's fit only for kindling.

3 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:39:23pm
A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant and the crazy crazier.

— H. L. Mencken

Thus truly spake a newspaperman.

4 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:39:45pm

What's a newspaper?

/

5 laZardo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:41:10pm

I play newspaper Sudoku and I resent that!

/ q;

//A newspaper TV news show is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant and the crazy crazier.

6 zombie  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:41:18pm

1938 edition:

A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant and the crazy crazier.

2008 edition:

A newspaper is a device for spewing leftist propaganda like an overflowing septic tank.
7 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:41:31pm

re: #4 lone_wolf_in_illinois

They're like blogs without the fact checking or accountability.

8 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:42:04pm

I just replaced my old Mencken quote today.

9 wee fury  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:43:46pm

The New York Times belongs in an outhouse.

10 zombie  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:45:00pm

re: #9 wee fury

The New York Times belongs in an outhouse.

What do you have against outhouses?

11 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:45:28pm

My parrot refused to shit on our local lib fish-wrapper. He said it wasn't worthy of such an honor.

12 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:45:44pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

They're like blogs without the fact checking or accountability.

Unfortunately newspapers are still the very best we've got.

Painful, I know, but there it is. Television is a joke. Blogs have no money.

The trick is finding a good paper and learning its strengths and weaknesses. I suggest starting with the Wall Street Journal, which I'll say -- again -- did its level best to warn of the current financial implosion, for years.

13 Charles  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:45:56pm

Less than 9,000 comments to go until #6M. Could happen tomorrow night.

14 Desert Dog  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:46:01pm

re: #6 zombie


1938 edition:

A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant and the crazy crazier.

2008 edition:

A newspaper is a device for spewing leftist propaganda like an overflowing septic tank. - (BUT, act like they are mainstream and unbiased)

15 laZardo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:46:18pm

re: #10 zombie

And I keep forgetting why they call it "WC" in Europe.

/srsly

16 Max Darkside  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:46:46pm

re: #11 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

My parrot refused to shit on our local lib fish-wrapper. He said it wasn't worthy of such an honor.

Just Poop!

17 wee fury  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:46:58pm

re: #10 zombie

;-)

18 zombie  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:47:19pm

re: #9 wee fury

outhouse.

True story:

When I was a child, I had never actually heard anyone say the word outhouse: so the first time I encountered it in print, I thought it was some kind of French word, pronounced "O-thooz."

19 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:47:20pm
The lunatic is in the hall
The lunatics are in the hall
The paper holds their folded faces to the floor
And every day
The paper boy brings more
--Pink Floyd, Brain Damage
21 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:48:22pm
A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant and the crazy crazier.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

22 zombie  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:48:22pm

re: #15 laZardo

And I keep forgetting why they call it "WC" in Europe.

/srsly

The initials for Water Closet.

23 laZardo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:48:45pm

re: #22 zombie

Thanks. (:

24 Max Darkside  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:48:50pm

re: #18 zombie

True story:

When I was a child, I had never actually heard anyone say the word outhouse: so the first time I encountered it in print, I thought it was some kind of French word, pronounced "O-thooz."

I thought o-thooz is what you dip those roast beef sandwiches into.

25 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:49:30pm

re: #19 Dar ul Harb

I thought that was from "Dark Side Of The Moon". Guess I'm too young.

26 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:49:41pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

They're like blogs without the fact checking or accountability.

Ouch!

27 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:49:50pm

re: #18 zombie

True story:

When I was a child, I had never actually heard anyone say the word outhouse: so the first time I encountered it in print, I thought it was some kind of French word, pronounced "O-thooz."

For several years, I thought awry was pronounced OW-REE

28 laZardo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:49:56pm
29 Bobibutu  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:50:30pm

Lizard meet/party - Lizards and mates.

Sunday 26th of Oct. 11 am - 3 pm

Walnut Creek, CA 94595

25 miles East of San Francisco.

Locals and Nomads welcome.

BYOB and a pot luck if you wish.

Bring what ever food you wish to cook.

World class kitchen available. BBQ grills. Picnic area.

BBQ briquettes provided.

Heated swimming pool. Bring your suits. Changing rooms etc. available.

We have the ground floor of a 1930s Mansion/museum and outdoor patio reserved.

If it rains we have indoors - if not we have both.

My Halloween treat and thanks to LGF - so no cost to you.

Email for directions and location - secure, private, gated/guarded community.

Plenty of parking ... 100+.

For those that are paranoid & suspicious this is a leftist setup - 6 of us have already met once in SF.

RawMuse hosted that one.

We all like each other.

I volunteered to host the next meet.

This is it.

30 Maximu§  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:52:52pm

I bought a new Mustang several months back and I should have waited for this:

2009 Dodge Challenger r/t

31 Moe Katz  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:53:28pm

re: #18 zombie

True story:

When I was a child, I had never actually heard anyone say the word outhouse: so the first time I encountered it in print, I thought it was some kind of French word, pronounced "O-thooz."

It's a useful word for finding out who's a Canadian.

32 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:54:35pm

re: #6 zombie

2008 edition:

A newspaper is a device for spewing leftist propaganda like an overflowing septic tank.

Not to mention junking up your house with stuff you read on the Internet yesterday for free.

33 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:54:40pm

re: #25 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I thought that was from "Dark Side Of The Moon". Guess I'm too young.

ROTFLMAO.................. "Brain Damage" is a song off the album "Dark Side Of The Moon".......

34 profitsbeard  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:54:51pm

"A newspaper is a place to combine horoscopes and half truths in order to provide a fish with a flexible coffin.."
-Charles Foster Kane.

35 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:55:12pm

re: #32 Dar ul Harb

Not to mention junking up your house with stuff you read on the Internet yesterday for free.

See post 12, though.

36 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:56:02pm

re: #30 Maximu§

I bought a new Mustang several months back and I should have waited for this:

2009 Dodge Challenger r/t

Kinda looks like the baby of a 60's Challenger and a 60's Camaro.

37 Max Darkside  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:56:17pm

re: #30 Maximu§

I bought a new Mustang several months back and I should have waited for this:

2009 Dodge Challenger r/t

I had an '04 Cobra... Loved it. 5 speed stick, posi with really sticky tires. Only 2 cars faster that year, upper-end Corvette and the Viper. 0-60 in just over 4 seconds and at 135 MPH, it was like a dream.

38 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:56:31pm

It bothers me that there are so many gullible (stupid?) people in America that actually believe in the hope and change hokum that obama, the snakeoil salesman, has sold.

39 Archimedes  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:56:39pm

re: #13 Charles

Less than 9,000 comments to go until #6M. Could happen tomorrow night.

Hope it's not me. I hate that kind of attention.

40 victor_yugo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:56:53pm

re: #27 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And I thought "anxiety" was pronounced "ank-shetty." You know, like "anxious" is pronounced "ank-shuss".

41 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:56:53pm

re: #33 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO.................. "Brain Damage" is a song off the album "Dark Side Of The Moon".......

Thought that was the song. See? Too young! : )

42 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:57:14pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

They're like blogs without the fact checking or accountability.

K-T -

With a far larger Environmental Impact/Carbon Footprint.

-S-

43 winston06  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:57:38pm

have a great night every one

44 Max Darkside  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:58:00pm

re: #42 Dr. Shalit

K-T -

With a far larger Environmental Impact/Carbon Footprint.


Not to mention the carbon fingerprints...

45 solomonpanting  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:58:01pm

Early in life I had noticed that no event is ever correctly reported in a newspaper.
George Orwell

46 doppelganglander  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:58:03pm

re: #27 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

For several years, I thought awry was pronounced OW-REE

I thought melancholy was pronounced "mel-ANCH-o-lee."

47 Moe Katz  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:58:05pm

re: #43 winston06

Goodnight, Winston.

48 Purple Prose  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:58:14pm

Obama's friend and collaborator's timeless exultation:

Guilty as hell, free as a bird—America is a great country.

[Link: www.city-journal.org...]

49 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:58:50pm

re: #33 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO.................. "Brain Damage" is a song off the album "Dark Side Of The Moon".......

I've always wondered what's the title of that intrumental piece they always play after Layla.

/

50 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:59:45pm

re: #49 Dar ul Harb

I've always wondered what's the title of that intrumental piece they always play after Layla.

/

Layla Part Deux?

51 brickthruplateglasswindow  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:59:52pm

re: #13 Charles

Less than 9,000 comments to go until #6M. Could happen tomorrow night.

Do I smell an ID thread for tomorrow's line-up?

52 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:00:06pm

re: #35 Cognito

I can still get news from the Wall Street Journal online and for free. Face it- newspapers are dinosaurs. I was even able to convince my boss to stop buying the paper because he could get it online for free. Besides- the paper is literally yesterdays news. The net's here to stay and it's the only way "newspapers" are going to stay relevant.

53 victor_yugo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:01:03pm

Supposedly true story:

A representative of Pravda was going from town to town, finding out ways in which the newspaper could serve the citizens better. In one town, some wag asked the question: "Could you use lighter ink?"

The Pravda representative, puzzled, asked, "What's wrong with the ink we use now?"

The wag answered, "We all have black asses!"

(He was made to answer for his smart remark the next day at work.)

54 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:01:07pm

re: #52 Sharmuta

I can still get news from the Wall Street Journal online and for free. Face it- newspapers are dinosaurs. I was even able to convince my boss to stop buying the paper because he could get it online for free. Besides- the paper is literally yesterdays news. The net's here to stay and it's the only way "newspapers" are going to stay relevant.

Sorry, no. Those wonderful WSJ stories you can get online are paid for by the print side.

Post 12 still stands.

55 Maximu§  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:01:39pm

re: #37 Max Darkside

I had an '04 Cobra... Loved it. 5 speed stick, posi with really sticky tires. Only 2 cars faster that year, upper-end Corvette and the Viper. 0-60 in just over 4 seconds and at 135 MPH, it was like a dream.

Story of my life...I have a new 08 Mustang in the garage, but I don't want it anymore. This new Dodge Challenger looks awesome.

56 solomonpanting  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:01:40pm

I keep reading between the lies.
Goodman Ace

57 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:01:58pm

re: #41 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

"Dark Side Of The Moon" the song is actually "Eclipse"

58 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:02:29pm

Goodnight you all.

59 victor_yugo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:03:24pm

re: #45 solomonpanting

His Homage to Catalonia is an outstanding read, not only for the war-front experiences, but also for insight into his own politics and self-criticisms.

60 Bobibutu  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:03:48pm

re: #52 Sharmuta

I can still get news from the Wall Street Journal online and for free. Face it- newspapers are dinosaurs. I was even able to convince my boss to stop buying the paper because he could get it online for free. Besides- the paper is literally yesterdays news. The net's here to stay and it's the only way "newspapers" are going to stay relevant.

Filtered thru a "Star Chamber" of editors each with their own agendas.

61 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:03:50pm

re: #54 Cognito

Whatever. As the tide continues to flow towards online media distribution, that will change.

62 Max Darkside  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:04:42pm

re: #55 Maximu§

Story of my life...I have a new 08 Mustang in the garage, but I don't want it anymore. This new Dodge Challenger looks awesome.

Nice looking, and it has 1/4 mile and 0-60 timers along with an accelerometer on-board, but notice the times they show. 1/4 mile in over 13s?! 0-60 at almost 5s? I think it might be heavy, slowing it down.

63 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:04:42pm

re: #36 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Kinda looks like the baby of a 60's Challenger and a 60's Camaro.

OMD -

That's because, when new, the 1970 Challenger and Barracuda looked like artfully chopped and channeled 1969 Camaros. Owned a 1970 Challenger, small block Mopar V-8, fun car for is day.

-S-

64 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:04:57pm

re: #57 Dar ul Harb

"Dark Side Of The Moon" the song is actually "Eclipse"

Geez, now I'm REALLY confused! Guess I'll take a Pink Floyd and watch the room spin and change colors.

65 soccerdad  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:05:06pm

re: #20 Wyatt Earp

Cop-killing scumbag Mumia abu Jamal gets fisted by the SCOTUS. Heh.

Amen. I say to you....Amen

66 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:05:18pm

re: #60 Bobibutu

Hey- I was just glad I got him to quit openly paying for the paper. It was my little way of striking back at the drive by media.

67 DeafDog  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:05:19pm

re: #52 Sharmuta

I can still get news from the Wall Street Journal online and for free. Face it- newspapers are dinosaurs. I was even able to convince my boss to stop buying the paper because he could get it online for free. Besides- the paper is literally yesterdays news. The net's here to stay and it's the only way "newspapers" are going to stay relevant.

All true, but I still enjoy Sunday morning "newspaper" time.

68 Irene NYC  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:05:23pm

cognito

And someone very, very, very close to me just lost his job when the media company he worked for closed its doors last week.

I feel your pain.

69 Cartman  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:05:24pm

re: #13 Charles

Less than 9,000 comments to go until #6M. Could happen tomorrow night.

I think everyone should stop typing with one to go, and let you do the honors.

70 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:05:34pm

re: #61 Sharmuta

Whatever. As the tide continues to flow towards online media distribution, that will change.

"Whatever" doesn't quite do it, I'm afraid. Someone has to first figure out how to make the model work.

No one has.

71 Timbre  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:06:31pm

John Gage, President of the American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE) stated, "But polling shows that only 55 percent of union members right now, support Obama. [...] Why then is it close? Many, including me, think race. Union leaders have felt the sting of anonymous e-mails and coded language at union meetings."

No, Mr. Gage, 45 percent of your members do not support Obama because they know he is a socialist and a hater of America. The only America he loves is a fantasy "peoples' republic" of which he and his cronies rule through intimidation and transfer of wealth from workers and capitalists to parasites and socialists.

72 Max Darkside  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:06:36pm

re: #63 Dr. Shalit

OMD -

That's because, when new, the 1970 Challenger and Barracuda looked like artfully chopped and channeled 1969 Camaros. Owned a 1970 Challenger, small block Mopar V-8, fun car for is day.

-S-

I had a 68 GTO, back in the day... Damn fun to drive, but didn't have posi, so I couldn't git roaring until doing over 30MPH, else just burn rubber.

73 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:06:49pm

re: #62 Max Darkside

Nice looking, and it has 1/4 mile and 0-60 timers along with an accelerometer on-board, but notice the times they show. 1/4 mile in over 13s?! 0-60 at almost 5s? I think it might be heavy, slowing it down.

But is it a Hemi?

74 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:07:15pm

re: #70 Cognito

You mean like the model of being biased to the point of losing viewers and readers? Because I'd say that model is working just swimmingly, isn't it?

75 Bobibutu  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:07:32pm

re: #66 Sharmuta

Hey- I was just glad I got him to quit openly paying for the paper. It was my little way of striking back at the drive by media.

Good on ya. Keep it up.

76 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:07:36pm

re: #68 Irene NYC

cognito

And someone very, very, very close to me just lost his job when the media company he worked for closed its doors last week.

I feel your pain.

Thanks Irene. For what it's worth, my person wasn't in the media. But you're right that the media is taking it on the chin.

77 Macker  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:07:42pm

re: #20 Wyatt Earp

So when will they execute the son of a bitch?

78 redc1c4  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:07:51pm

re: #49 Dar ul Harb

I've always wondered what's the title of that intrumental piece they always play after Layla.

/

on the LP or in concert?

79 Irene NYC  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:07:57pm

re: #70 Cognito

"Whatever" doesn't quite do it, I'm afraid. Someone has to first figure out how to make the model work.

No one has.


It's really the problem, isn't it? And it ain't being solved by the internet.

80 Max Darkside  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:08:06pm

re: #73 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

But is it a Hemi?

That's what it says, ya.

81 solomonpanting  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:08:28pm

re: #59 victor_yugo

I might have to check it out. Thanks.

82 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:08:37pm

re: #74 Sharmuta

You mean like the model of being biased to the point of losing viewers and readers? Because I'd say that model is working just swimmingly, isn't it?

If you want to change the subject, that's fine. We were talking about the Wall Street Journal, though.

83 looking closely  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:09:08pm

re: #30 Maximu§

I bought a new Mustang several months back and I should have waited for this:

2009 Dodge Challenger r/t


Its essentially identical to the Dodge Charger, just cut down a few inches and with two doors instead of four.

If you have to go there, save your money for the new Camaro.

84 pat  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:09:15pm

A 'newspaper' is designed to make those that agree with it's slant, pay for the privilege.

85 brickthruplateglasswindow  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:09:28pm

re: #70 Cognito

"Whatever" doesn't quite do it, I'm afraid. Someone has to first figure out how to make the model work.

No one has.

For a modest consulting fee up front and an airtight NDA, I'd share a few things that haven't been tried.

:)

86 rawmuse  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:09:33pm

Newspapers are inversely informational. You take what you read, invert it 180 degrees, arrive at something closer to the truth.

87 DesertSage  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:09:34pm

Does anyone have any Cheezy Poofs?

88 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:10:03pm

re: #85 brickthruplateglasswindow

For a modest consulting fee up front and an airtight NDA, I'd share a few things that haven't been tried.

:)

Ha. You might be surprised who'd pay.

89 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:10:12pm

re: #78 redc1c4

on the LP or in concert?

Note the /sarc tag.

90 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:10:22pm

re: #80 Max Darkside

That's what it says, ya.

Cool. I was never much of a Mopar fan.

91 Maximu§  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:10:36pm

re: #73 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

But is it a Hemi?

The 6.1 litre version puts out 425hp.

92 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:10:46pm

re: #82 Cognito

I think you mean you're talking about the Wall Street Journal. I'm talking about newspapers and TV networks.

93 pat  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:11:11pm

re: #87 DesertSage

Hawaiian Chop Steak, Sweet Corn on the cob, white rice, Japanese pickles, here. Sorry

94 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:11:31pm

re: #83 looking closely

Its essentially identical to the Dodge Charger, just cut down a few inches and with two doors instead of four.

If you have to go there, save your money for the new Camaro.

4 door Dodge Charger? HUH?

95 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:11:34pm

re: #84 pat

A 'newspaper' is designed to make those that agree with it's slant, pay for the privilege.

That's a keeper, pat.

96 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:11:36pm

re: #73 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

But is it a Hemi?

OMD -

Yuppers, the new variety with 16 spark plugs and SMP Fuel Injection with "small block" displacement.

-S-

97 brickthruplateglasswindow  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:11:36pm

re: #88 Cognito

Ha. You might be surprised who'd pay.

I'm surprised at who won't pay. :)

98 Irene NYC  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:11:57pm

Did I see Aisha on the previous thread or were my eyes deceiving me?
;)

99 Macker  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:12:03pm

re: #97 brickthruplateglasswindow

I'm surprised at who won't pay. :)


Harpo's mother?

100 Maximu§  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:12:08pm

re: #83 looking closely

Its essentially identical to the Dodge Charger, just cut down a few inches and with two doors instead of four.

If you have to go there, save your money for the new Camaro.

I'm so tired of waiting for that Camero, I was ready to buy it when Transformers came out.

101 victor_yugo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:12:38pm

re: #91 Maximu§

At least it puts out. Which is more than I can say for the last 3 women I dated...

/rimshot

102 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:12:48pm

re: #91 Maximu§

The 6.1 litre version puts out 425hp.

So does my Prius.
/

103 redc1c4  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:12:59pm

re: #89 Dar ul Harb

Note the /sarc tag.

nevermind......

104 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:13:03pm

re: #92 Sharmuta

I think you mean you're talking about the Wall Street Journal. I'm talking about newspapers and TV networks.

Huh. Guess I was thrown off when you said, "I can still get news from the Wall Street Journal online and for free. Face it- newspapers are dinosaurs."

Sorry.

105 Bobibutu  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:13:36pm

re: #91 Maximu§

The 6.1 litre version puts out 425hp.

Sounds like it's time for this one again ...
Enjoy.

"DEFINITION OF ACCELERATION"

One top fuel dragster 500 cubic inch Hemi engine makes more horsepower
than the first 4 rows of stock cars at the Daytona 500.

Under full throttle, a dragster engine consumes 1-1/2 gallons of nitro
methane per second; a fully loaded 747 consumes jet fuel at the same
rate with 25% less energy being produced.

A stock Dodge Hemi V8 engine cannot produce enough power to drive the
dragster's supercharger.

With 3,000 CFM of air being rammed in by the supercharger on overdrive,
the fuel mixture is compressed into a near-solid form before ignition.

Cylinders run on the verge of hydraulic lock at full throttle.

At the stoichiometric (stoichiometry: methodology and technology by
which quantities of reactants and products in chemical reactions are
determined) 1.7:1 air/fuel mixture of nitro methane, the flame front
temperature measures 7,050 deg F.

Nitro methane burns yellow. The spectacular white flame seen above the
stacks at night is raw burning hydrogen, dissociated from atmospheric
water vapor by the searing exhaust gases.

Dual magnetos supply 44 amps to each spark plug. This is essentially the
output of an arc welder in each cylinder.

Spark plug electrodes are totally consumed during a pass. After halfway,
the engine is dieseling from compression, plus the glow of exhaust
valves at 1,400 deg F. The engine can only be shut down by cutting the
fuel flow.

If spark momentarily fails early in the run, unburned nitro builds up in
the affected cylinders and then explodes with sufficient force to blow
cylinder heads off the block in pieces or split the block in half.

In order to exceed 300 mph in 4.5 seconds, dragsters must accelerate an
average of over 4G's. In order to reach 200 mph (well before
half-track), the launch acceleration approaches 8G's.

Dragsters reach over 300 miles per hour before you have completed
reading this sentence.

Top fuel engines turn approximately 540 revolutions from light to light!
Including the burnout, the engine must only survive 900 revolutions
under load.

The redline is actually quite high at 9,500 rpm.

Assuming all the equipment is paid off, the crew worked for free, and
for once NOTHING BLOWS UP, each run costs an estimate $1,000.00 per
second.

The current top fuel dragster elapsed time record is 4.441 seconds for
the quarter mile (10/05/03, Tony Schumacher). The top speed record is
333.00 mph (533 km/h) as measured over the last 66' of the run (09/28/03
Doug Kalitta).

You are driving the average $140,000 Lingenfelter "twin-turbo" powered
Corvette Z06. Over a mile up the road, a top fuel dragster is staged and
ready to launch down a quarter mile strip as you pass. You have the
advantage of a flying start. You run the 'Vette hard up through the
gears and blast across the starting line and pass the dragster at an
honest 200 mph. The "tree" goes green for both of you at that moment.
The draster launches and starts after you.

You keep your foot down hard, but you hear an incredibly brutal whine
that sears your eardrums and within 3 seconds, the dragster catches and
passes you. He beats you to the finish line, a quarter mile away from
where you just passed him. Think about it; from a standing start, the
dragster had spotted you 200 mph and not only caught you, but nearly
blasted you off the road when he passed you within a mere 1,320 foot
long race course.

That folks is acceleration...

106 Maximu§  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:13:44pm

re: #94 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

4 door Dodge Charger? HUH?

I always thought the 4 door Charger looked ridiculous.

107 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:13:55pm

re: #104 Cognito

Huh. Guess I was thrown off when you said, "I can still get news from the Wall Street Journal online and for free. Face it- newspapers are dinosaurs."

Sorry.

It was the plural for newspaper, huh?

108 DesertSage  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:13:57pm

Yep, I'm waiting for the new Camaro to make it's debut!
[Link: www.chevrolet.com...]

And some Cheezy Poofs!

109 opnion  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:14:03pm

re: #38 newsjunkie_ky

It bothers me that there are so many gullible (stupid?) people in America that actually believe in the hope and change hokum that obama, the snakeoil salesman, has sold.


>
Oh yeah, they buy it. At dinner tonight one of my coworkers went in to the Obama is great thing. I listened until I couldn't take anymore and challenged him. He ninformrd me that all of this Wright & Ayers stuff was just guilt through association. When I asked him if he would have a friend like Ayers, he said "Absolutely"
At that point , I strongly suggested , that he wipe the liberal smirk off of his face & grow up. Thank God, I outrank him.

110 KZnextzone  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:14:10pm

RE #13
I'll comment....Congrats Charles and thank you for the enlightening forum.
*Polishes apple on shirt*!

111 laZardo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:14:59pm

re: #30 Maximu§

re: #83 looking closely

From the POV of a guy who wants to be a car designer, I'm personally a bit tired of these "retro" muscle cars. It makes me think we're approaching the wheezing-econo-70s all over again.

Now that brand new Nissan GT-R...that's performance.

/as long as those damn ricers don't get their oily hands all over it for their F-n-F fantasies...

112 soccerdad  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:15:15pm

Honestly I fear for the campaign. I'm still not backing off my prediction, but I am genuinely saddened by the lack of substantive rebuttal by the McCain/Palin campaign to the ideas of BHO. He's a communist/Socialist/marxist. The ideas he is spouting are straight out of the marxist playbook. Yet here we still sit....discussing the fact that his associations should disqualify him. or maybe just the fact that the rebuttals are not getting traction.

It is NOT his associations...it is his ideas. They are FUNDAMENTALLY anti-capitalist. Requiring the coverage of pre-conditions is but one simple example of his anti-capitalist views.

I truly fear for this country if BHO and Plug boy get the nod.

I still believe it'll be a mcCain/Palin electoral landslide...but again...mcCain is NOT running a good campaign.

I've always said, "i would vote for Mickey mouse if he was running onthe Republican ticket." This is is pretty close to that. And i'm voting Republican.

113 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:15:23pm

re: #96 Dr. Shalit

OMD -

Yuppers, the new variety with 16 spark plugs and SMP Fuel Injection with "small block" displacement.

-S-

6.1 litre hemi small block? Those must be some humongous pistons.

114 Cartman  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:16:50pm

Hemi!

115 KZnextzone  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:17:39pm

I think more scary background stuff on Obambi will start to percolate. I'm still amazed they kept the Palin secret so long. They must be holding something. The Ayer's wrote Audacity stuff looks compelling....

116 laZardo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:18:17pm

LUNCH.

bbl

117 Irene NYC  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:18:43pm

I love newspapers and I'm sorry to see what is happening to them. Some of their problems are self-inflicted, others due to changes in technology. But I already miss the sense of community they fostered in the cities where I have lived and the slower, more thoughtful pace of life that went along with their era. And the ADD which the internet fosters is not to my taste either. I feel like a dinosaur.

118 Hard Right  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:18:50pm

I have to say that the spear point should be FM/FM. Show how obama and the dems were in it up to their eyeballs.

119 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:19:05pm

re: #105 Bobibutu

Of course, dragsters do 325 mph for about 1300 feet. Indy cars can run at 225 mph for 500 miles or more.

/Just sayin'...

120 KZnextzone  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:19:25pm

I was surprised with the nautical references ( I get seasick looking at a picture of a boat), I don't see the o as a sailing kind of guy...

121 soccerdad  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:19:42pm

re: #66 Sharmuta

Hey- I was just glad I got him to quit openly paying for the paper. It was my little way of striking back at the drive by media.


I have not paid for a paper in three years. The Philadelphia inquirer has morphed itself into Philly.com and more often than not these days.. when youhit the "home" page it is some editoral being highlighted. And guess which way that editorial is slanted. (I just go there for the sports).

122 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:20:19pm

re: #103 redc1c4

nevermind......

BTW, I think it's called coda. ;)

123 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:20:49pm

What is black and white and RED all over?
*
*
*
*
*
No,,not the newspaper.!
*
*
*
*
The obama /biden ticket.

124 KZnextzone  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:20:53pm

what do you wrap your fish in now?

125 rawmuse  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:21:03pm

re: #112 soccerdad

In order for a socialist/communist government to occur, not only must you have A) a party leadership willing to do whatever it takes to win (any means to an end) but you also need B) a docile, defeated and constantly needy populace that will welcome and enable the former component.

I know we presently have part A. I am not sure about part B, but it seems like part B is getting bigger.

126 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:21:06pm

re: #83 looking closely

Its essentially identical to the Dodge Charger, just cut down a few inches and with two doors instead of four.

If you have to go there, save your money for the new Camaro.

"lc" -

You are right on that, which is to say that the platform is much like an old Benz "E Class" - Not bad - back in the day, the Challenger was based on the Dodge Dart, and the Camaro based on the Nova. Didn't keep either car from becoming an icon.

-S-

127 Bobibutu  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:21:15pm

re: #119 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Of course, dragsters do 325 mph for about 1300 feet. Indy cars can run at 225 mph for 500 miles or more.

/Just sayin'...

Point well taken. And it's 2 different desired outcomes.

128 steve  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:21:39pm

If the newpapers go away I guess that I will have to find another way to read my comics.

[Link: www.daybydaycartoon.com...]

comes to mind.

129 laZardo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:21:42pm

re: #123 Oldasdirt

Dead penguins?

/pissed that Happy Feet beat Cars for the Oscar

//RIP Paul "Doc Hudson" Newman

130 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:22:11pm

re: #117 Irene NYC

I love newspapers and I'm sorry to see what is happening to them. Some of their problems are self-inflicted, others due to changes in technology. But I already miss the sense of community they fostered in the cities where I have lived and the slower, more thoughtful pace of life that went along with their era. And the ADD which the internet fosters is not to my taste either. I feel like a dinosaur.

Yes. All true.

There used to be right-leaning newspapers galloping across the tundra, believe it or not. Every town had two papers.

The left-leaning bias in papers today is laughably obvious. There are other forces at play, though. Some people here try to make the argument that the media is collapsing now -- coincidentally to the technological revolution -- because all those conservative readers are making an exodus to find more like-minded thinkers elsewhere.

Trouble is, the biggest political blogs are lefties. And none of them can touch Perez Hilton.

I don't know the solution. I wish I did. And if I do figure it out, I hope I beat the likes of Mark Cuban to it.

131 Cartman  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:22:21pm

re: #115 KZnextzone

Personally, I think the election will come and go without the BHO bombshell we're all hoping for. What's been discovered about him already should have been more than enough to sink the ship of an ordinary presidential candidate, under ordinary times and circumstances. These here are uncharted waters, indeed.

132 DeafDog  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:23:04pm

re: #82 Cognito

If you want to change the subject, that's fine. We were talking about the Wall Street Journal, though.

IBD seems to be doing well financially. Proprietary information - that's the ticket. Who owns IBD?

133 KZnextzone  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:23:30pm

I disagree with great hope. Cartman.......

134 Bobibutu  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:23:44pm

re: #128 steve

If the newpapers go away I guess that I will have to find another way to read my comics.

[Link: www.daybydaycartoon.com...]

comes to mind.

What? You are online and daybyday is online all over the place.

135 victor_yugo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:25:03pm

re: #125 rawmuse

I know we presently have part A. I am not sure about part B, but it seems like part B is getting bigger.

Bigger, or merely screaming louder?

It can't be good when even apolitical, ignorant young adults can see The Fascist Tool Barack Obama as just a sloganeer (slogans written by someone else).

I work with a couple of them. They have a lot of growing up to do, and their work ethic, uh, needs work... but their antipathy towards O is very strong. And in neither case does it have to do with race!

136 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:25:10pm

re: #132 DeafDog

IBD seems to be doing well financially. Proprietary information - that's the ticket. Who owns IBD?

I believe they're independent. And yes, proprietary information is key. Trouble is, we all want that non-proprietary information, but we don't want to pay someone to go fetch it and sketch it.

137 KZnextzone  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:25:10pm

and to keep on the nautical.."I say these seas have been charted by Seaman Hillary and the hazards of Hell's Bucket are the same"
Arrrgh Matey

138 steve  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:25:20pm

re: #134 Bobibutu


I know but I still like sitting at the table and holding the paper in my hands. Cannot do that with a computer.
And then what am I going to wrap the christmas presents in?

139 opnion  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:25:55pm

re: #131 Cartman

Personally, I think the election will come and go without the BHO bombshell we're all hoping for. What's been discovered about him already should have been more than enough to sink the ship of an ordinary presidential candidate, under ordinary times and circumstances. These here are uncharted waters, indeed.


So true, it does not seem to matter what Obamas negatives are.
They are brushed aside & he gets the benefit of all doubts by people who should know better.

140 Cartman  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:26:26pm

I've got LGF up in Safari for Windows. Nice & clean. I think I like it.

141 soccerdad  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:26:48pm

re: #125 rawmuse

In order for a socialist/communist government to occur, not only must you have A) a party leadership willing to do whatever it takes to win (any means to an end) but you also need B) a docile, defeated and constantly needy populace that will welcome and enable the former component.

I know we presently have part A. I am not sure about part B, but it seems like part B is getting bigger.

Amen...hence my fear. I had a conversation with the better half tonight, who was undecided last week. Tonight she is solidly in BHO's camp, and taunted me that mcCain is behind in the polls. Suffice it to say I do not take the hardline at home as I love sex, but her transformation is clearly a result of the MSM. I asked her about the healthcare program of Obama, pointing out the anti-capitalist nature of it, but and she was all for it. (she's a nurse)

/sigh
i'm getting cancelled out

142 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:26:59pm

re: #118 Hard Right

I have to say that the spear point should be FM/FM. Show how obama and the dems were in it up to their eyeballs.

And also that the Bush administration and McCain wanted to pass legislation numerous times to reform it since 2003, but were blocked by the Dimocrats. Then I heard Barney Fwank's butt-buddy was on employed at Fannie Mae (When he wasn't running their gay teenage boy out of their townhouse).

143 KZnextzone  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:27:09pm

They've got something......They just don't want it to blow over with the ADD of the populace, best wait. "Walk down and ....." well you get it!

144 Bobibutu  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:27:47pm

re: #138 steve

I know but I still like sitting at the table and holding the paper in my hands. Cannot do that with a computer.
And then what am I going to wrap the christmas presents in?

Print function! ... well if you only have 8 1/2X11 capability ... multiple pages and Scotch Tape.

145 RTLM  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:28:17pm

The NYT has the optimum broadness for Great Dane contaminant when on the sidewalk.

146 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:28:26pm

re: #127 Bobibutu

Point well taken. And it's 2 different desired outcomes.

Nope...both are doin' it to win. : )

147 rawmuse  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:28:36pm

re: #135 victor_yugo

I hope you are right. If you ever wonder why the qualities of self-reliance, honesty and duty are promoted in the Boy Scouts (and why the Left feels the need to bring the Boy Scouts down) look no further than the electorate. A populace that demands that everything be provided for them is ripe for tyranny.

148 redc1c4  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:28:46pm

re: #105 Bobibutu "Acceleration"

and you can DIY........

149 victor_yugo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:29:23pm

re: #138 steve

I know but I still like sitting at the table and holding the paper in my hands. Cannot do that with a computer.

The Amazon Kindle and its ilk are getting better and more popular every year. And Esquire Magazine just published the world's first E-ink cover, which caused quite a stir where I work.

It isn't often I can point at something and say, with all certainty, "This is the wave of the future."

150 steve  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:29:38pm

re: #144 Bobibutu


That will be a lot of scitch tape used at chrostmas time.

151 Cartman  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:29:43pm

Well, I guess it's time to attempt some sleep. Seems like I've forgotten once again how to do it, but I'll give it a shot. G'nite, all.

152 Maximu§  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:29:47pm

re: #111 laZardo

re: #83 looking closely

From the POV of a guy who wants to be a car designer, I'm personally a bit tired of these "retro" muscle cars. It makes me think we're approaching the wheezing-econo-70s all over again.

Now that brand new Nissan GT-R...that's performance.

/as long as those damn ricers don't get their oily hands all over it for their F-n-F fantasies...

Those retro muscle cars of the 60's and 70's bring back alot of memories of Wednesday night street races, a girlfirend who has zipper pants and good times.

153 Bobibutu  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:29:51pm

re: #146 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Nope...both are doin' it to win. : )

Yeah, yeah, but different distances.

154 neocon hippie  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:29:59pm

Earlier today I saw a report saying that some of the Israelis -- military and politicians -- who were used in the Israelis for Obama video going around -- are upset, saying they were taken out of context. Anybody know where I can find it?

155 tommoon  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:30:05pm

Irene NYC

I remember delivering the newspaper in my jr. high school days. The Ap and UPI had the reputation that what they wrote could be absolutely believed as truth. The local small town used them to get the news to the people of the country. Sadly, today we have a media that is mostly under the control of the leftist democratic party. I think that this decision by these news outlets we eventually destroy them.

156 Bobibutu  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:30:18pm

re: #150 steve

That will be a lot of scitch tape used at chrostmas time.

Sh*t happens ;-)

157 lummox  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:30:42pm

re: #76 Cognito

Thanks Irene. For what it's worth, my person wasn't in the media. But you're right that the media is taking it on the chin.

AS well it should, especially after this election.

158 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:32:42pm

re: #138 steve

I know but I still like sitting at the table and holding the paper in my hands. Cannot do that with a computer.
And then what am I going to wrap the christmas presents in?

/And it'll be difficult to put a computer in the bottom of a box and teach your puppy to shit on it.

159 steve  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:32:49pm

re: #149 victor_yugo

re: #144 Bobibutu


I already read a lot online but, as I said before, (I must be old school) I still like sitting down and holding the paper in my hands. Just does not seem the same with a lot of copy paper tape together.

160 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:32:54pm

re: #113 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

6.1 litre hemi small block? Those must be some humongous pistons.

"OMD" -

You are a youngster. The 5.7 liter Hemi translates to about 350 in the lord's own cubic inches. 6.1 liters is roughly 375 in cid. The first generation small block Chevy came in a 400 cid flavor for a number of years, my dad had one in a '71 Caprice.

-S-

161 DeafDog  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:33:16pm

re: #136 Cognito

I believe they're independent. And yes, proprietary information is key. Trouble is, we all want that non-proprietary information, but we don't want to pay someone to go fetch it and sketch it.

Over the last few years, we were all literally starved for unbiased information on Iraq. The only reports that we got were all reports from the green zone. Most were slanted editorally. Eventually, I discovered Yon and Totten and Rogio on the web. I gladly paid them (vluntarily) for their efforts. Yon/Totten/Rogio do give opinions. Sometimes they are not opinions I want to hear. But I respect them because I know they are honest and I try to incorporate their opinions into my own biases.

There is a big part of the answer in that experience, too. Newspapers are seen as biased. Too often, their reporters are not doing the hard work of journalism. They are just attending news conferences (that I could jst as easily watch on C-Span) and adding their own spin.

162 redc1c4  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:33:28pm

re: #141 soccerdad

Amen...hence my fear. I had a conversation with the better half tonight, who was undecided last week. Tonight she is solidly in BHO's camp, and taunted me that mcCain is behind in the polls. Suffice it to say I do not take the hardline at home as I love sex, but her transformation is clearly a result of the MSM. I asked her about the healthcare program of Obama, pointing out the anti-capitalist nature of it, but and she was all for it. (she's a nurse)

/sigh
i'm getting cancelled out

no offense, but most nurses i've met over the years are a little whack.

(the others are *really* whack. %-)

163 Irene NYC  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:34:51pm

re: #130 Cognito
My grandmother subscribed to nine newspapers in five languages. She read each one cover to cover, as did my parents. They were printed from all corners of the earth. I remember there was this excitement attached to receiving them and an element of responsibility also. You were supposed to keep yourself well-informed. De rigeuer sort of thing.

164 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:34:54pm

I just couldn't resist sharing this with the lizards. My hubby just received, in the mail, a beautifully presented, artfully wrapped "Certificate of Appreciation" "for outstanding service to the Nation as a United States Army Soldier", along with a lapel pin and two window stickers......he was a Marine.

Tax dollars at work.

165 Maximu§  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:35:02pm

re: #162 redc1c4

Hey, I still have you Chili pot.

166 redc1c4  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:35:06pm

re: #152 Maximu§

Those retro muscle cars of the 60's and 70's bring back alot of memories of Wednesday night street races, a girlfirend who has zipper pants and good times.

Dittos jeans....... %-)

167 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:35:09pm

re: #76 Cognito

Thanks Irene. For what it's worth, my person wasn't in the media. But you're right that the media is taking it on the chin.

I was gonna make a Barney Frank joke here,,,but i wont.

168 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:35:21pm

re: #161 DeafDog

Too often, their reporters are not doing the hard work of journalism. They are just attending news conferences (that I could jst as easily watch on C-Span) and adding their own spin.

Sounds like you might be reading the wrong papers, then. (See post 12.)

169 steve  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:35:23pm

Ozark Mountain Daredevil, thank you for the laugh. I needed it today.

Ya all have a wonderful night. I am off to bed.........

170 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:35:39pm

re: #153 Bobibutu

Yeah, yeah, but different distances.

That's the one great thing I love about racing. No one is ever truly happy to finish second. They're just the first one to lose.

171 Maximu§  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:35:51pm

re: #164 Pvt Bin Jammin

I just couldn't resist sharing this with the lizards. My hubby just received, in the mail, a beautifully presented, artfully wrapped "Certificate of Appreciation" "for outstanding service to the Nation as a United States Army Soldier", along with a lapel pin and two window stickers......he was a Marine.

Tax dollars at work.

Its the thought that counts Princess.

172 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:35:55pm

can someone do a timeline of what the fuck the Nazicrats have been up to since they took over Congress

I mean for example:

they were told, REPEATEDLY
by Greenspan and even real republicans (including the Pussident)
that Fannie, Freddie, etc. were in trouble
and they were shouted down by Maxine Waters, Chris Dodd, Barney Fife, etc...

but all they did was what ?

fucking hearings on steroids in baseball ?

had a bunch of hollywood idiots parading in and speaking about their favorite topics

useless hearings on Bush, Cheney, Halliburton, etc.

maybe the GOP needs a good idea like this to present to the American people

because the dem's sqaundered the time they had
and it needs pointing out as much or more than Ayers
because so far the MSM is covering for him

but McCain should interject his name tomorrow night anyway
domestic terrorism like McVeigh or Ayers produced or Anthrax
are as dangerous as Muslim extremism and can be almost as deadly
and point out OKC bombing and anthrax letters
and then remind Obama of who Bill Ayers is

173 Irene NYC  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:37:13pm

re: #136 Cognito

I believe they're independent. And yes, proprietary information is key. Trouble is, we all want that non-proprietary information, but we don't want to pay someone to go fetch it and sketch it.


I never bought that "citizen journalist" thang. Of course, the fact that that phrase reminded me of the French Revolution may have been the real reason for my distaste.

174 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:37:24pm

re: #152 Maximu§

Those retro muscle cars of the 60's and 70's bring back alot of memories of Wednesday night street races, a girlfirend who has zipper pants and good times.

When they roll out the 2010 Ford Pinto, Dodge Colt and Chevy Vega, be worried. Be VERY worried!

175 Racer X  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:37:43pm

Heads up everyone:

THEATER FRAUD? Sabotage of An American Carol and Its Opening-Week Numbers?

Mpower pictures and Vivendi are starting to hear complaints about sabotage of An American Carol by employees of theaters that are carrying the movie. So far, ten theaters have been implicated in outright fraud regarding this movie.

Obviously, the producers and distributors would like to get to the bottom of this and find out the extent of any fraud, but they need our help to determine whether the problem is systemic, or confined to a few theaters in a nationawide release.

What we know: in at least ten theaters nationwide, customers were sold tickets they were told were for An American Carol but turned out to be for other movies.

Obviously, this type of "error" sometimes requires collusion between employees--a way of marking the ticket so that you are sent to the correct theater, even though you've been sold the wrong ticket.

As the customer, you'd have to actually read your ticket to check and make sure you weren't an unwitting instrument of this fraud.

If you suspect that this might have happened when you went to see the movie, please go double-check your tickets. If they have the wrong movie title on them, please take a picture of them and send them to the investigative team at An American Carol: fraud -- AT -- AnAmericanCarol -- DOT -- com . Please place the original tickets in a safe place and fill out the info on the AAC fraud site. They may need your ticket as evidence.

I heard similar stories from callers on Larry Elders show in L.A. today.

Go see the movie!

Check your tickets and make sure the film makers are getting credit - and paid - for their hard work.

176 Maximu§  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:37:51pm

re: #162 redc1c4

I still have your big aluminum chili pot you left at my house.

177 Irene NYC  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:38:15pm

re: #157 lummox

AS well it should, especially after this election.


Well, sweetie, I don't feel that the New York Sun deserved to close.

178 Bobibutu  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:38:20pm

re: #159 steve

re: #144 Bobibutu


I already read a lot online but, as I said before, (I must be old school) I still like sitting down and holding the paper in my hands. Just does not seem the same with a lot of copy paper tape together.

OK - for the funnies that's cool.

When I was a kid - POP the Comic Weekly was a radio program (pre TV in the SF Bay Area) that walked us thru the funnies and expanded on them. Sunday mornings were spent with the paper comics and the radio - very cool.
Sadly it's gone. So I think I understand.

179 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:38:21pm

re: #169 steve

Ozark Mountain Daredevil, thank you for the laugh. I needed it today.

Ya all have a wonderful night. I am off to bed.........

I'm not sure what I said that was funny, but you're welcome!

180 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:38:35pm

re: #171 Maximu§

It was cool. We were just so surprised. I'm sure it made plenty of people's day. I don't think the Marines are sending out those things.

181 DeafDog  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:38:40pm

re: #168 Cognito

Sounds like you might be reading the wrong papers, then. (See post 12.)


Nope. The WSJ had nothing special on Iraq from 1996-97. They still don't.

BTW - the situation is the same today on Afghanastan. Their is no newspaper or wireservice that has a good take on that situation.

182 redc1c4  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:38:50pm

re: #165 Maximu§

Hey, I still have you Chili pot.

yeah, well, it's not going anywhere, is it?

/we don't get out much. %-)

183 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:39:00pm

re: #163 Irene NYC

My grandmother subscribed to nine newspapers in five languages. She read each one cover to cover, as did my parents. They were printed from all corners of the earth. I remember there was this excitement attached to receiving them and an element of responsibility also. You were supposed to keep yourself well-informed. De rigeuer sort of thing.

That's neat.

One problem with the modern model -- aside from the lack of financial liability -- is that people are receiving information in slices. It's the same way the mortgage guys got us into the current economic mess, by slicing and bundling their goods so that the buyers never saw the whole picture.

Not that newspapers are always any better. But there has to be some feasible next thing. Either that or we're in big trouble.

184 Maximu§  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:39:49pm

re: #180 Pvt Bin Jammin

It was cool. We were just so surprised. I'm sure it made plenty of people's day. I don't think the Marines are sending out those things.

Those Jarheads are so picky!

/

185 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:40:18pm

re: #173 Irene NYC

I never bought that "citizen journalist" thang. Of course, the fact that that phrase reminded me of the French Revolution may have been the real reason for my distaste.

Ha.

Yeah. A 'citizen journalist' might soon go to prison for the recent Steve-Jobs-heart-attack debacle. Oops.

186 Maximu§  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:40:28pm

re: #182 redc1c4

yeah, well, it's not going anywhere, is it?

/we don't get out much. %-)

Lets do a beerfest soon and I'll give it back to ya.

187 laZardo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:41:07pm

Back. Did I miss anything?

188 Bobibutu  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:41:20pm

re: #170 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

That's the one great thing I love about racing. No one is ever truly happy to finish second. They're just the first one to lose.

Adrenalin junkies - Unite! - Oh - I guess they have.

189 krycek  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:41:30pm

The problem facing newspapers is their readership is dying off. Young people just don't read newspapers.

190 Maximu§  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:41:31pm

re: #182 redc1c4

Hey we're going to Fort Knox to visit my son in bootcamp this month.

191 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:41:33pm

re: #160 Dr. Shalit

"OMD" -

You are a youngster. The 5.7 liter Hemi translates to about 350 in the lord's own cubic inches. 6.1 liters is roughly 375 in cid. The first generation small block Chevy came in a 400 cid flavor for a number of years, my dad had one in a '71 Caprice.

-S-

Doc- I had a 66 Chevelle SS with a 427 big block, I think...and it was 496 HP.

192 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:41:49pm

re: #181 DeafDog

Nope. The WSJ had nothing special on Iraq from 1996-97. They still don't.

BTW - the situation is the same today on Afghanastan. Their is no newspaper or wireservice that has a good take on that situation.

Yep. And it's a problem. Part of it is a function not so much of the newspapers -- I promise you the WSJ and their better colleagues would love to blanket Iraq and Afghanistan, if they could afford it -- but a function of this new style of war.

193 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:41:59pm

re: #152 Maximu§

Those retro muscle cars of the 60's and 70's bring back alot of memories of Wednesday night street races, a girlfirend who has zipper pants and good times.

1967 Pontiac GTO. 455CI--2-4barrels,13sec bracket points champ,Greenvalley raceway,Ft.Worth Texas 1975. Best times of my life.

194 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:42:21pm

re: #184 Maximu§

LOL We like 'em all. We are mostly a Marine Corps family but all of the other branches have been represented by family members too. It was a nice thing. We just had a chuckle.

195 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:43:57pm

re: #189 krycek

The problem facing newspapers is their readership is dying off. Young people just don't read newspapers.

Sure they do. They just do it online. And that's fine, except no one has figured out how to make that model pay for itself.

As all those old readers die off, the funds go down. And so, then, does the coverage.

In the next few years I expect we'll see some vast frauds perpetrated that would have been uncovered by a healthy press. It's troubling.

196 lummox  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:44:15pm

re: #177 Irene NYC

Well, sweetie, I don't feel that the New York Sun deserved to close.

Well dearie, I didn't shut em down. A LOT of support might have helped.

197 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:44:33pm

re: #175 Racer X

Heads up everyone:

I heard similar stories from callers on Larry Elders show in L.A. today.

Go see the movie!

Check your tickets and make sure the film makers are getting credit - and paid - for their hard work.

Libs are losers. We all know that. Fuck'em.

198 laZardo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:45:52pm

re: #152 Maximu§

Unfortunately, those fun times didn't last long, ushering in the era of econoboxes and - perhaps subsequently - the Rice (not Secretary) Era. Though the F-n-F'ers type of automotive entertainment doesn't sound all that different from what you described apart from the different taste in music and the lack of a back seat in their Civics.

199 Irene NYC  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:46:31pm

re: #183 Cognito

That's neat.

One problem with the modern model -- aside from the lack of financial liability -- is that people are receiving information in slices. It's the same way the mortgage guys got us into the current economic mess, by slicing and bundling their goods so that the buyers never saw the whole picture.

Not that newspapers are always any better. But there has to be some feasible next thing. Either that or we're in big trouble.


Do you think it's a conspiracy?
;)

200 Meremortal  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:46:35pm

re: #191 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Doc- I had a 66 Chevelle SS with a 427 big block, I think...and it was 496 HP.

Dang, I wonder what happened to my "Green Valley Champion" fender cover, circa 1967 ('59 Vette).

201 DeafDog  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:46:46pm

re: #192 Cognito

Yep. And it's a problem. Part of it is a function not so much of the newspapers -- I promise you the WSJ and their better colleagues would love to blanket Iraq and Afghanistan, if they could afford it -- but a function of this new style of war.

If they just embedded someone with the Army that would be enough. They don't want to do that because they think that's 'biased".....they are - in other words - assholes

202 Spirit93  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:46:49pm

re: #154 neocon hippie

Earlier today I saw a report saying that some of the Israelis -- military and politicians -- who were used in the Israelis for Obama video going around -- are upset, saying they were taken out of context. Anybody know where I can find it?

Hotair

203 solomonpanting  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:47:12pm

re: #172 Adrenalyn

can someone do a timeline of what the fuck the Nazicrats have been up to since they took over Congress

I mean for example:

they were told, REPEATEDLY
by Greenspan and even real republicans (including the Pussident)
that Fannie, Freddie, etc. were in trouble
and they were shouted down by Maxine Waters, Chris Dodd, Barney Fife, etc...

but all they did was what ?

fucking hearings on steroids in baseball ?

had a bunch of hollywood idiots parading in and speaking about their favorite topics

useless hearings on Bush, Cheney, Halliburton, etc.

After setting the stage for the mess we're in today, is it too much to ask for a truly 100% do-nothing Congress? The country would be in better shape if these jomocoes were paid to take eleven month vacations.

204 opnion  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:48:04pm

re: #197 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Libs are losers. We all know that. Fuck'em.

Yeah, the problem is that they have numbers & they are riding high.
If they can embrace Obama, what is too much for them?

205 DeafDog  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:48:38pm

G'night all

206 soccerdad  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:48:46pm

re: #162 redc1c4

no offense, but most nurses i've met over the years are a little whack.

(the others are *really* whack. %-)

None taken. She is

207 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:49:16pm

re: #199 Irene NYC

Do you think it's a conspiracy?
;)

Ha. A giant, multi-national -- and totally unwitting -- conspiracy. Of which I am a part, myself. I like to skim the news online myself.

208 Racer X  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:49:20pm

re: #197 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Libs are losers. We all know that. Fuck'em.

I agree. Fuck'em at the box office. America needs to see conservative movies doing well. What libs are doing here is skewing the numbers to make it look like An American Carol is doing poorly. Thats bullshit.

209 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:49:29pm

re: #193 Oldasdirt

1967 Pontiac GTO. 455CI--2-4barrels,13sec bracket points champ,Greenvalley raceway,Ft.Worth Texas 1975. Best times of my life.

I like the Dodge Superbee, myself. You could buy it off the showroom floor and race it at Daytona as you bought it, no modifications needed. How cool was that?

210 Meremortal  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:50:57pm

re: #193 Oldasdirt

1967 Pontiac GTO. 455CI--2-4barrels,13sec bracket points champ,Greenvalley raceway,Ft.Worth Texas 1975. Best times of my life.

oldasdirt,

My #200 was meant for you. Must be getting late.

211 Irene NYC  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:51:03pm

re: #196 lummox

Well dearie, I didn't shut em down. A LOT of support might have helped.


Why are you being so snarky? I was making the point that some quality media companies are also closing and that one shouldn't just lump all media in one group.

Stating the obvious - "A LOT of support might have helped" - I'm missing the point here. So, why don't you help me out because I must be too dumb to get it.

212 pat  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:51:04pm

The years of Blame America First have come home to roost.

213 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:51:27pm

re: #200 Meremortal

Dang, I wonder what happened to my "Green Valley Champion" fender cover, circa 1967 ('59 Vette).

Never heard of that. What is it?

214 redc1c4  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:51:48pm

re: #174 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

When they roll out the 2010 Ford Pinto, Dodge Colt and Chevy Vega, be worried. Be VERY worried!

even if it's a Cosworth Twin Cam Vega?

215 victor_yugo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:51:59pm

re: #203 solomonpanting

After setting the stage for the mess we're in today, is it too much to ask for a truly 100% do-nothing Congress? The country would be in better shape if these jomocoes were paid to take eleven month vacations.

Or, even better, if Congress were paid for only one month's work, and the other 11 months they had to go back and do real work like the rest of us.

Oh, wait, wasn't that the original intention anyway?

216 Maximu§  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:52:12pm

re: #198 laZardo

Unfortunately, those fun times didn't last long, ushering in the era of econoboxes and - perhaps subsequently - the Rice (not Secretary) Era. Though the F-n-F'ers type of automotive entertainment doesn't sound all that different from what you described apart from the different taste in music and the lack of a back seat in their Civics.

Good point, also the cops have pretty much shut have down illegal street races and they even arrest the bystanders now..kids these days can't cruise, can't race, can't go to the drive in movie's....can't do s**t!

217 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:52:35pm

re: #205 DeafDog

G'night all

Later...

218 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:52:46pm

re: #203 solomonpanting

holy fuck
you gave me a great idea

we elect teachers from now on

you know

those that can, do
those that can't, teach

we need some highly educated do-nothings and like to take long vacations and who is better than professional teachers for cripes sake


in other news, world markets are waking up happy and upward

a good erection first thing in the morning is not a bad thing

219 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:53:05pm

re: #214 redc1c4

even if it's a Cosworth Twin Cam Vega?

The irony is that the American motor industry is dying just as it finally decided to turn out some sweet cars.

220 redc1c4  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:53:13pm

re: #190 Maximu§

Hey we're going to Fort Knox to visit my son in bootcamp this month.

i was gonna ask how our Soldier is doing..... when does AIT start?

221 RTLM  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:53:15pm

Obama has 3 point lead on McCain.

NASHVILLE, Tennessee (Reuters) - Democrat Barack Obama has a narrow 3-point lead in the U.S. presidential race on Republican John McCain less than a month before the election, according to a Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby poll released on Tuesday.

Obama leads McCain among likely U.S. voters 48 percent to 45 percent in the national poll, which has a margin of error of 2.8 percentage points. Four percent of voters said they were still undecided in the November 4 election.

/Wha Haapin to the 8 point lead ?!

222 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:53:58pm

re: #210 Meremortal

oldasdirt,

My #200 was meant for you. Must be getting late.

Did you race at the valley in 67,,in Ft.Worth Texas?

223 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:54:02pm

re: #219 Cognito

The irony is that the American motor industry is dying just as it finally decided to turn out some sweet cars.

uh, I hope you're not including anything made by Chrysler
their cars/trucks are widely ridiculed as crap

cool "looking"
dreadful operating

224 redc1c4  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:54:08pm

re: #219 Cognito

The irony is that the American motor industry is dying just as it finally decided to turn out some sweet cars.

no, the irony is that you have no clue as to what i'm talking about.

225 solomonpanting  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:54:26pm

re: #215 victor_yugo

Or, even better, if Congress were paid for only one month's work, and the other 11 months they had to go back and do real work like the rest of us.

Oh, wait, wasn't that the original intention anyway?

The Congressional motto should be that of a physician:

First, do no harm

226 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:54:45pm

re: #223 Adrenalyn

uh, I hope you're not including anything made by Chrysler
their cars/trucks are widely ridiculed as crap

cool "looking"
dreadful operating

No, no.

227 Irene NYC  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:55:01pm

re: #221 RTLM

Obama has 3 point lead on McCain.

/Wha Haapin to the 8 point lead ?!

The 9 point lead was too much of a stretch even for the left-wing media.
;)

228 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:55:15pm

re: #224 redc1c4

no, the irony is that you have no clue as to what i'm talking about.

Wow.

All right.

229 laZardo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:55:29pm

re: #216 Maximu§

That and the insurance rates are sky-high until I turn 25, at which point I'll probably have lost "the passion" if I'm still stuck on public transport by then.

/parents insist on staying in the passenger seat while I drive, and I can't own a car unless I'm insured too, hurrrrr ;_;

//on the other hand, the Light Rail system here really whooshes past Manila Rush Hour...

230 Maximu§  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:55:40pm

re: #220 redc1c4

i was gonna ask how our Soldier is doing..... when does AIT start?

He's in his 6th week, so it should be starting real soon for a total of 16 weeks.

231 michaelasher  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:56:27pm
232 laZardo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:56:43pm

re: #174 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

If it's THIS Dodge Colt, then I'll happily start saving. (:

233 lummox  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:56:48pm

re: #211 Irene NYC

Seems obvious that the target audience for the Sun was getting their news from other sources. Very much like trying to get a leftist audience on AM radio. It was a valient effort though.

234 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:57:06pm

re: #225 solomonpanting

The Congressional motto should be that of a physician:

First, do no harm

the problem is
all they have fucking done is hearings on nonsense

steroids in baseball
celebrities and stem cell research
halliburton !

but nothing on the well-noted and looming fiscal crisis

the freaking GOP better put up some good boards on this and but quick
it's an area ripe for opportunity

then there is the Adrenalyn-scoop of all time

that Obama gets his money via the internet
(ok, easy)
but that he gets it from untraceable prepaid Visa type cards


I called this a generation ago and the GOP won't mention it

235 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:57:11pm

re: #204 opnion

Yeah, the problem is that they have numbers & they are riding high.
If they can embrace Obama, what is too much for them?

I still believe that enough Americans realize the Obamessiah is full of shit and hates our country and McCain will win by a comfortable margin, and even some of those who claim to support Obambi will vote for McCain.
I posted this in an earlier thread, and someone referred to the "Bradley effect", which is exactly what I meant.

236 Meremortal  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:57:54pm

re: #213 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Never heard of that. What is it?

Apologies Ozark, I was trying to respond to oldasdirt, and somehow posted to you. It had to be gremlins. Green Valley Raceway was THE dragstrip for the Ft. Worth-Dallas area. Probably still is. If you won your class, you got a choice of a trophy or a nice red leather fender cover to protect your fender and hold your tools while you worked on your baby. The best part the big "Green Valley Champion" printed on it so anyone passing by would be impressed. I ran C Sportsman class.

237 solomonpanting  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:58:06pm

re: #227 Irene NYC

The 9 point lead was too much of a stretch even for the left-wing media.
;)

No mention of any state polls. Electoral votes, baby!

238 Abu Al-Poopypants  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:58:06pm

re: #158 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

/And it'll be difficult to put a computer in the bottom of a box and teach your puppy to shit on it.

I am not making this up -- I have a monitor that I also use as a TV, and my parrot flew over and took a big wet one right down Charlie Gibson's face when he was interviewing Sarah Palin on ABC News.

239 soccerdad  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:58:43pm

re: #225 solomonpanting

The Congressional motto should be that of a physician:

First, do no harm

Nice idea...but do you really think Pelosi and Frank think they are doing harm? NO! They think they are moving the country forward. and so do their constituents.

sigh.

240 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:58:49pm

re: #230 Maximu§

Wish him well, for us, and his friend too.

I was up late last night.....zzzzz.

241 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:59:25pm

re: #209 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I like the Dodge Superbee, myself. You could buy it off the showroom floor and race it at Daytona as you bought it, no modifications needed. How cool was that?

I liked them all,,only won one championship in a GM product,,every other year I ran fords..Had some fast ones,,but broke alot..
Never tried a Dodge.But I did like em..426 Himi,,I only wish.
I did run an altered Lancia 61 model,,but had a 428 CJ in it,,ford 9 inch.

242 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:59:36pm

re: #208 Racer X

I agree. Fuck'em at the box office. America needs to see conservative movies doing well. What libs are doing here is skewing the numbers to make it look like An American Carol is doing poorly. Thats bullshit.

Of course, if EVERY ONE of their America-hating movies didn't suck ass at the box office this wouldn't be necessary, right?

243 laZardo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:00:03pm

re: #219 Cognito

GM may yet be saved. They should pull the plug on Ford though. Keeping that Mk1 Focus alive when everyone ELSE has the Mk2 is a sign of mental deficiency on the managers' part.

244 Abu Al-Poopypants  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:00:08pm

Oh, I forgot to put quotes around "News" in my previous comment. I apologize for the inaccuracy.

245 Meremortal  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:00:19pm

re: #222 Oldasdirt

Did you race at the valley in 67,,in Ft.Worth Texas?

I did, '66 and '67 I think. Blue '59 Vette. Eddie Fagan was there with his Le Manster a lot, and the top gun was Gene Snow.

246 soccerdad  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:00:31pm

re: #235 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I still believe that enough Americans realize the Obamessiah is full of shit and hates our country and McCain will win by a comfortable margin, and even some of those who claim to support Obambi will vote for McCain.
I posted this in an earlier thread, and someone referred to the "Bradley effect", which is exactly what I meant.

Welcome aboard. I've been saying that since he was the nominee. Click on my football.

247 opnion  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:00:51pm

re: #235 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I still believe that enough Americans realize the Obamessiah is full of shit and hates our country and McCain will win by a comfortable margin, and even some of those who claim to support Obambi will vote for McCain.
I posted this in an earlier thread, and someone referred to the "Bradley effect", which is exactly what I meant.

Let's hope so, but this Obama thing is creepy & time is getting short.

248 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:01:08pm

re: #214 redc1c4

even if it's a Cosworth Twin Cam Vega?

Cosworth is Ford, Vega is Chevy... : )

249 krycek  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:01:10pm

Rep. Barney Frank said that Republican criticism of Democrats over the nation's housing crisis is a veiled attack on the poor that's racially motivated. All voters (the ones who pay taxes at least), regardless of their political stripe, should be furious with this idiot.

250 Maximu§  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:01:16pm

re: #223 Adrenalyn

uh, I hope you're not including anything made by Chrysler
their cars/trucks are widely ridiculed as crap

cool "looking"
dreadful operating

Nobody here should ever buy a front-wheel drive Chrysler...ever, never, ever,never, never, ever....never!

I owned a big green 4 door 1998 Chrysler LHS and it was the worst POS I ever owned. I finally parked it at the Ralphs praking lot and started beating it with the tire iron, I kicked in the highly polished front fender and found out it was'nt even metal, it was fiberglass.

251 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:01:40pm

How are people selected to ask questions at the townhall debate? Are they screened ahead of time?

252 solomonpanting  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:02:46pm

re: #239 soccerdad

Nice idea...but do you really think Pelosi and Frank think they are doing harm?

Then I'd love to see a reporter stick a microphone in their faces and ask
"If you had to do it all over again, would you demand that sub-prime loans be made available to anyone?'"
Their response would be fodder for McPalin.

253 Maximu§  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:02:57pm

re: #240 Pvt Bin Jammin

Wish him well, for us, and his friend too.

I was up late last night.....zzzzz.


Thanks, you bet I will.....go to sleep sleepy-head.

254 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:03:01pm

re: #246 soccerdad

Welcome aboard. I've been saying that since he was the nominee. Click on my football.

well, I have to admit my betting among friends is that McCain wins all 50 states in the electoral college

that people will really not vote Obama when the curtain is closed

/boy, I sure hope I am right
maybe I should promise to go to church or something if Obama loses

for a lifelong atheist, would that mean anything ?

255 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:03:41pm

re: #236 Meremortal

Apologies Ozark, I was trying to respond to oldasdirt, and somehow posted to you. It had to be gremlins. Green Valley Raceway was THE dragstrip for the Ft. Worth-Dallas area. Probably still is. If you won your class, you got a choice of a trophy or a nice red leather fender cover to protect your fender and hold your tools while you worked on your baby. The best part the big "Green Valley Champion" printed on it so anyone passing by would be impressed. I ran C Sportsman class.

Green Valley is sadly gone..Condo's.did not start to race there till 1973..but was there almost every weekend from 1965 or so..Gene Snow lived on my street in Poly area..

256 redc1c4  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:04:23pm

re: #248 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Cosworth is Ford, Vega is Chevy... : )

you sure about that?

pink slip sure?

257 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:05:05pm

re: #253 Maximu§

'nite. God Bless America.

258 redc1c4  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:05:30pm

re: #250 Maximu§

Nobody here should ever buy a front-wheel drive Chrysler...ever, never, ever,never, never, ever....never!

I owned a big green 4 door 1998 Chrysler LHS and it was the worst POS I ever owned. I finally parked it at the Ralphs praking lot and started beating it with the tire iron, I kicked in the highly polished front fender and found out it was'nt even metal, it was fiberglass.

that's what you get for shopping at R*lphs..... they're scum.

259 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:05:42pm

re: #250 Maximu§

Nobody here should ever buy a front-wheel drive Chrysler...ever, never, ever,never, never, ever....never!

I owned a big green 4 door 1998 Chrysler LHS and it was the worst POS I ever owned. I finally parked it at the Ralphs praking lot and started beating it with the tire iron, I kicked in the highly polished front fender and found out it was'nt even metal, it was fiberglass.

oh, I bought a Jeep Cherokee in the 80's around when Chysler bought them and it blew fucking up in the driveway the first day

lemon law, a joke
Detroit even told me to pound sand

so I took a big paper mache' lemon and parked in front of the major dealers
eventually they "settled"

fixed everything wrong, again (the list is too numerous for here) and gave us a 5 year addition to the warranty

we sold it the next week for a nice Japanese Acura
the one with the phallic looking shifter

(the wife's choice, not mine)

260 Meremortal  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:05:52pm

re: #255 Oldasdirt

Green Valley gone, that's sad. Ah well, those were the days. I just drove my little everyday '59 Vette over there and had fun. Most of my racing was done on the street.

261 Abu Al-Poopypants  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:06:02pm

I'm a pessimist, and I think that Obama will win decisively.
I also thought Halp Me John Cary would win, so there.

262 pat  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:06:20pm

re: #251 JacksonTn

How are people selected to ask questions at the townhall debate? Are they screened ahead of time?

Simple. All Republicans and those that ask question that require knowledge of what transpired a year before are asked to leave.

263 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:06:33pm

re: #256 redc1c4

you sure about that?

pink slip sure?

Ford,,yes,,very much so..

264 TheMatrix31  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:06:58pm

What's the deal with that poll? Is that pre-Palin-mentioning-Ayers or post?

It's still all about the individual states, though.

265 laZardo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:07:14pm

All this car talk is giving me a craving for Gran Turismo. Or Grand Theft Auto.

Whichever game I can plop into the PS3 first. (: BBL.

266 Inquisitive  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:08:25pm

re: #221 RTLM

Obama has 3 point lead on McCain.


/Wha Haapin to the 8 point lead ?!

Call me dumb....but I just don't understand how these polls can even come close to saying who is ahead. How do they pick who they are going to poll on any given day or do they poll the same people each time. I know we have been called in past years and my hubby tells them it is none of their business who he is voting for.....how would they put that in the poll. What is to say that on any given day they just so happen to get hold of more Obama voters than McCain.....that doesn't mean there is not McCain voters out there.....maybe they just weren't there to be polled at the time. Does someone want to maybe enlighten me a little more on this subject?

267 soccerdad  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:08:41pm

re: #252 solomonpanting

Then I'd love to see a reporter stick a microphone in their faces and ask
"If you had to do it all over again, would you demand that sub-prime loans be made available to anyone?'"
Their response would be fodder for McPalin.


agree with the thought process Solomon. The (unfortunate) reality is Frank and whomever would say something non-committal and spin-worthy while actually VOTING Hell yes on something that keeps that friggin fraud going. effing jerkoffs. That is what they are.

I no longer think that Dems just think differently, but are still patriots. The way they think is dangerous to our union and our country.

268 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:08:47pm

re: #230 Maximu§

He's in his 6th week, so it should be starting real soon for a total of 16 weeks.

Thats cool! Thank him for us. I was just going through my Mom's photo albums (remember those?) and she had pics from my Navy Boot Camp graduation in San Diego.

269 krycek  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:09:33pm

re: #262 pat

Simple. All Republicans and those that ask question that require knowledge of what transpired a year before are asked to leave.

Anyone with a job is asked to leave. Anyone who still pays their mortgage is asked to leave. Anyone else?

270 nightwatch  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:10:10pm

Hello?

Damn, major havoc on previous thread.....where the hell did I leave my rifle? RealWest, could you be a pal and grab my bottle of 92' Sonoma Merlot? I think I left it in the horse barn during that last pistol exchange!

Thanks friend, that one was a pricey little bitch!

Night All...........:}

271 Maximu§  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:11:08pm

re: #258 redc1c4

that's what you get for shopping at R*lphs..... they're scum.

My Ralphs store needs some new girls at the checkstands, the ones we have all have are all banged-up with wrist braces, neck braces, grey hair and mean faces from dealing with millions of customers since "1988"

They need to trade in those Hag's for some new girls....or else I just might shop at Albertsons.

272 Price_of_Peace  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:11:17pm

re: #9 wee fury

The New York Times belongs in an outhouse.

Problem is that it would leave a black residue if used.

273 lummox  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:11:25pm

Polls are taken between 7 am and 4 pm when real citizens are at work.

274 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:11:55pm

re: #232 laZardo

If it's THIS Dodge Colt, then I'll happily start saving. (:

LOL! Funny thing is we had a 1978 Dodge Colt, and it was made by Mitsubishi! I never thought about or knew back then that Mitsubishi Heavy Industries built the Japanese Zero WW2 fighter also.

275 rawmuse  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:12:09pm

re: #270 nightwatch

You are a Troll, as pleasant as a toothache. Reported.

276 RTLM  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:13:05pm

Barney (Fannie Fan) Frank had an intimate relationship with a male executive of Fannie Mae named Herb Moses.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Now that Fannie Mae is at the epicenter of a financial meltdown that threatens the U.S. economy, some are raising new questions about Frank's relationship with Herb Moses, who was Fannie’s assistant director for product initiatives. Moses worked at the government-sponsored enterprise from 1991 to 1998, while Frank was on the House Banking Committee, which had jurisdiction over Fannie.

Both Frank and Moses assured the Wall Street Journal in 1992 that they took pains to avoid any conflicts of interest. Critics, however, remain skeptical.


/Can we just call it "Fannie Frank"?

277 soccerdad  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:13:17pm

re: #268 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Thats cool! Thank him for us. I was just going through my Mom's photo albums (remember those?) and she had pics from my Navy Boot Camp graduation in San Diego.

You graduated from San Diego? That goes a long way back....They closed a while ago. I was a div-o there from 89-92. Remember the Friday parade and the Thursday night deal in the theater? That was fun. I'll never forget the many, many moms and dads who thanked ME for the transformations. I always told them it was their sons who deserve the praise and admiration.

278 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:13:27pm

re: #236 Meremortal

Apologies Ozark, I was trying to respond to oldasdirt, and somehow posted to you. It had to be gremlins. Green Valley Raceway was THE dragstrip for the Ft. Worth-Dallas area. Probably still is. If you won your class, you got a choice of a trophy or a nice red leather fender cover to protect your fender and hold your tools while you worked on your baby. The best part the big "Green Valley Champion" printed on it so anyone passing by would be impressed. I ran C Sportsman class.

lol, no problem!

279 Meremortal  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:13:37pm

re: #263 Oldasdirt

Ford,,yes,,very much so..

The limited-edition 1975 to 1976 Cosworth Vega was a special performance version of the subcompact introduced long before cars like the Golf GTI or Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution. Only 2,062 were built the first year. It was fitted with a fuel-injected DOHC 2.0L 16-valve version of the engine designed by Cosworth Engineering in England, which was famous for its racing engines. This engine was known internally at Cosworth as Project EA. Built by Chevrolet at its Tonawanda engine plant, the engine was fed by Bendix electronic fuel injection controlled by a computer in the glove box. First planned in 1969, the first 1971 development engines delivered an impressive 180 bhp (130 kW). But when finally put into production, the 1975 engines produced only 120 bhp (89 kW). Chevrolet had originally planned to release the Cosworth Vega for the 1974 model year, but a burnt exhaust valve in a test engine caused the engine to fail the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's 50,000-mile emission control system durability test. This delayed the car's introduction until 1975.

The Cosworth Vega's exterior had special gold stripes and "COSWORTH TWIN CAM" lettering on the front fenders and rear cove panel. Interior changes included a gold engine-turned applique' on the instrument panel, a specific tachometer, and a plaque with the car's build sequence number. Also included were wide radial tires on gold-colored alloy wheels, anti-roll bars, and special exhaust with a dual-outlet tip. Air conditioning was not offered on the Cosworth Vega, due to interference between the induction system (specifically the air cleaner) and the air conditioner's evaporator case. At $5,916, it cost double a normal hatchback, and only $900 less than a Corvette. Car and Driver magazine would report "The 3.11 first gear matched to a 3.73 axle ratio makes the Cosworth Vega tough to launch from a stop". They measured 0-60 mph times of 8.7 seconds.

Hope this helps...it's from Wiki.

280 Colonel Panik  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:14:03pm

re: #149 victor_yugo

The Amazon Kindle and its ilk are getting better and more popular every year. And Esquire Magazine just published the world's first E-ink cover, which caused quite a stir where I work.

It isn't often I can point at something and say, with all certainty, "This is the wave of the future."

What kind of crack are you smoking? I've never seen anyone using one of those infernal things.

The very name of the damn thing brings to mind images of burning books and Ray Bradbury's "Fahrenheit 451".

Shudder.

281 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:14:57pm

By some measures, I might be the top media-basher here at LGF. Even so, I usually refrain from piling on Cognito when he arouses the collective ire of the minions.

There is a good reason for this.

Newspapers, traditional print media, are not the problem in the media-industrial complex. Television news certainly is a joke, a very grim one, but it is TV news and its broadcast symbiotes, entertainment and advertising, that create and sustain the characteristic leftward bias within the internal culture of the media industry. Many print outlets conform to this bias, of course, since there is a great deal of cross-pollination between the various species of media, especially at the advertising end. But it is broadcast media that really set the agenda. It is much easier to find a non-leftist newspaper than it is to find a non-leftist TV channel. Even Fox News, which consciously tries to avoid a leftward bias, has drifted to the left as it has matured.

The reason for this is axiomatic: Leftward bias is inherent in the television medium.

TV news bypasses the intellect and appeals directly to the senses and the emotions. Its overall effect (and profitability) depends on such things as the physical appearance and authoritative voice of the reporter, the emotional effect of an orchestrated series of often searing images, the emotional cues in the voices and sounds coming from the speakers.

In contrast, reading a newspaper (even the National Enquirer) is an exercise of the intellect. Little marks on a chunk of processed wood are somehow converted into the most intricate concepts and visualizations.

In a society based on technology and an intricate system of laws, the inherently emotional message of television news is almost inescapably at odds with the social order. It is then, by definition, leftist and subversive. Unfortunately, it is also the best sales tool ever invented, since most advertisers do not want their products and services subjected to rigorous intellectual examination before a buying decision is made.

For more on this subject, see Thomas Frank's landmark cultural history: The Conquest of Cool; Business Culture, Counterculture, and the Rise of Hip Consumerism and "The medium is the message" (Marshall McLuhan, 1964)

282 Maximu§  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:15:03pm

re: #259 Adrenalyn

Chrysler should be pronounced "Cry-sler", cause I cried all the way to the bank....one time as my wife did a 3-point turn around, the rack-and-pinion steering SNAPPED and broke. The factory said "thats impossible", but it happened, they would not cover it and it cost me $770 to fix. It was one of many breakdowns.

283 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:15:08pm

re: #238 Abu Al-Poopypants

I am not making this up -- I have a monitor that I also use as a TV, and my parrot flew over and took a big wet one right down Charlie Gibson's face when he was interviewing Sarah Palin on ABC News.

If there's a bird of the year honor, I'm voting for him (or her)!

284 redc1c4  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:15:19pm

re: #263 Oldasdirt

Ford,,yes,,very much so..

sign it over.....

don't worry: i'll give you a ride home. %-)

285 opnion  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:16:03pm

re: #276 RTLM

Barney (Fannie Fan) Frank had an intimate relationship with a male executive of Fannie Mae named Herb Moses.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

/Can we just call it "Fannie Frank"?

y,
I didn't see it, but didn't O'Riely report this tonight?

286 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:16:06pm

re: #269 krycek

Anyone with a job is asked to leave. Anyone who still pays their mortgage is asked to leave. Anyone else?

Sounds about right ...... Obama Style.

The way I see the Obama financial solution is ...... if you don't pay taxes you will get a tax refund check from someone elses taxes ....... if you don't pay your mortgage and go bankrupt you can negotiate with the court to decrease your interest rate ...... I wish this was a joke but that is exactly what he wants. He has said he will revisit the bankruptcy laws so that people bailing on their mortgage and get better rates.

I just cannot wrap my head around that way of thinking. My head will explode before this election is over.

287 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:16:21pm

re: #241 Oldasdirt

I liked them all,,only won one championship in a GM product,,every other year I ran fords..Had some fast ones,,but broke alot..
Never tried a Dodge.But I did like em..426 Himi,,I only wish.
I did run an altered Lancia 61 model,,but had a 428 CJ in it,,ford 9 inch.

Are you an expert as far as Mopar cars are concerned?

288 redc1c4  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:18:05pm

re: #272 Price_of_Peace

Problem is that it would leave a black residue if used.

well, that's still better than a brown one....... %-)

/white smoke

289 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:18:37pm

re: #256 redc1c4

you sure about that?

pink slip sure?

Yes.

290 RTLM  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:18:50pm

re: #266 Inquisitive

Call me dumb....but I just don't understand how these polls can even come close to saying who is ahead. How do they pick who they are going to poll on any given day or do they poll the same people each time. I know we have been called in past years and my hubby tells them it is none of their business who he is voting for.....how would they put that in the poll. What is to say that on any given day they just so happen to get hold of more Obama voters than McCain.....that doesn't mean there is not McCain voters out there.....maybe they just weren't there to be polled at the time. Does someone want to maybe enlighten me a little more on this subject?

Polls are what they are. Its said there are lies, DAMN lies and statistics. The reason this poll counts is because its within 30 days and that Rueters, Zogby and -Span are involved. Zogby has been an accurate poll thriught the last few elections
And all polls want to be right at the end of the day.

291 Maximu§  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:19:46pm

Kolchack-The Night Stalker is on the Chiller channel....course most of you youngsters would'nt remember that show.

292 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:19:51pm

re: #287 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Are you an expert as far as Mopar cars are concerned?

I'm only asking because I have a question, and it would take a Dodge fanatic/expert to answer.

293 spidly  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:20:21pm

re: #12 Cognito

Unfortunately newspapers are still the very best we've got.

Painful, I know, but there it is. Television is a joke. Blogs have no money.

The trick is finding a good paper and learning its strengths and weaknesses. I suggest starting with the Wall Street Journal, which I'll say -- again -- did its level best to warn of the current financial implosion, for years.

there's got to be some kind of hardcopy. the interweb memory hole makes all that soviet style revision Kos to MSM engage in way too easy

294 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:20:49pm

re: #276 RTLM

Barney (Fannie Fan) Frank had an intimate relationship with a male executive of Fannie Mae named Herb Moses.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

/Can we just call it "Fannie Frank"?

Barney is in trouble now,he got splanin to do.
splanin=cuban for explaining,,I loved Lucy.

295 Bobibutu  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:21:59pm

re: #282 Maximu§

Chrysler should be pronounced "Cry-sler", cause I cried all the way to the bank....one time as my wife did a 3-point turn around, the rack-and-pinion steering SNAPPED and broke. The factory said "thats impossible", but it happened, they would not cover it and it cost me $770 to fix. It was one of many breakdowns.

Hmmm ... I had a Cordoba .. I think a 77 or 78 vintage ... carried me fine for a good number of years - no problems - and a rocket when needed.

296 RTLM  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:22:12pm

re: #285 opnion

y,
I didn't see it, but didn't O'Riely report this tonight?

Yes, he did. I saw this earlier, but laughed it off as so much bait. But its not bait.

Its a mound of fresh red meat.

297 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:22:38pm

re: #263 Oldasdirt

Ford,,yes,,very much so..

Then I apologize. The words "Ford" and "Cosworth" were always associated with me.

298 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:23:03pm

re: #280 Colonel Panik

What kind of crack are you smoking? I've never seen anyone using one of those infernal things.

The very name of the damn thing brings to mind images of burning books and Ray Bradbury's "Fahrenheit 451".

Shudder.

I just looked it up ......... I cannot figure it out.....

[Link: www.structuralgraphics.com...]

[Link: www.boston.com...]

299 Price_of_Peace  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:23:06pm

re: #119 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Of course, dragsters do 325 mph for about 1300 feet. Indy cars can run at 225 mph for 500 miles or more.

/Just sayin'...

Different "strokes" for different folks, right? A dragster has to tame the beast and the Indy driver has to drive in "road rage" traffic for 500 miles. Sounds like fun either way.

300 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:23:57pm

re: #291 Maximu§

Kolchack-The Night Stalker is on the Chiller channel....course most of you youngsters would'nt remember that show.

Not a bad show. Ahead of its time in some respects

301 victor_yugo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:24:25pm

re: #280 Colonel Panik

What kind of crack are you smoking? I've never seen anyone using one of those infernal things.

Why don't you just change your nick to "Pauline Kael"?

302 opnion  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:24:25pm

re: #296 RTLM

Yes, he did. I saw this earlier, but laughed it off as so much bait. But its not bait.

Its a mound of fresh red meat.

r
If this is true frank has a serious cionfict of interest, but he can scream gat bashing.

303 SurferDoc  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:24:40pm

re: #55 Maximu§

Story of my life...I have a new 08 Mustang in the garage, but I don't want it anymore. This new Dodge Challenger looks awesome.

Have a 2000 GT. Had a 1990 notchback coupe, former CHP pursuit. Mustangs Forever!

304 Bobibutu  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:24:59pm

re: #297 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Then I apologize. The words "Ford" and "Cosworth" were always associated with me.

Cosworth taught engines how to breathe - they were the innovators in their day.

305 opnion  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:25:15pm

re: #302 opnion

r
If this is true frank has a serious cionfict of interest, but he can scream gat bashing.

I mean "Gay Bashing"

306 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:25:34pm

re: #302 opnion

r
If this is true frank has a serious cionfict of interest, but he can scream gat bashing.

Barney and Maxine are the two most comical idiots in congress. They absolutely remind me of cartoon characters.

307 krycek  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:25:43pm

Any updates on the Palin email hack? Is the FBI waiting until after the election to make an arrest?

308 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:27:08pm

re: #307 krycek

Any updates on the Palin email hack? Is the FBI waiting until after the election to make an arrest?

I believe they brought in folks for questioning, gave them a stern talking thru and let them go. Havent heard anything else.

309 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:27:20pm

But soft, what light through yonder window breaks?

310 victor_yugo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:27:28pm

re: #290 RTLM

Polls are what they are. Its said there are lies, DAMN lies and statistics. The reason this poll counts is because its within 30 days and that Rueters, Zogby and -Span are involved. Zogby has been an accurate poll thriught the last few elections
And all polls want to be right at the end of the day.

The signal:noise ratio is going to get worse, not better, the closer we get to the vote. From here on out, probably the only poll worth watching for is the Weekly Reader poll, where kids show what their parents are saying in private.

311 Maximu§  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:27:44pm

Nite gang, see you all tomarrow...~yawning~

312 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:27:46pm

re: #287 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Are you an expert as far as Mopar cars are concerned?

I know a little about all muscle cars,,I grew up with them,,but an expert..no.
I had a 61 Dodge Lancer with a ford motor in it....Opps..i did say lancia,,sorry.

313 redc1c4  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:28:00pm

re: #271 Maximu§

My Ralphs store needs some new girls at the checkstands, the ones we have all have are all banged-up with wrist braces, neck braces, grey hair and mean faces from dealing with millions of customers since "1988"

They need to trade in those Hag's for some new girls....or else I just might shop at Albertsons.

that's because the stores treat & pay the new employees poorly, so they don't stay and the older folks are just hanging on, due to years served, and the lack of alternatives. the wrist braces are mostly from repetitive motion injuries, and i'd guess the rest are from lifting wrong from the checkout station design

a dirty secret of the industry is that the west coast, and particularly California, generates higher profits than supermarkets in the rest of the country, so the national chains do all they can here to squeeze out every cent they can for the corporate bottom line.

i w*rked at R*alphs corporate HQ for 6 months, and i can tell you first hand, they treat all their employees like scum. BTW: did you know that when you get a flu shot there, at least half of your price is pure profit?

314 redc1c4  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:28:30pm

re: #289 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Yes.

see #284...... %-)

315 victor_yugo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:28:31pm

re: #309 Cognito

But soft, what light through yonder window breaks?

Better light than a stray baseball.

316 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:28:42pm

re: #297 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Then I apologize. The words "Ford" and "Cosworth" were always associated with me.

Me to,,but i do remember a Vega now..that was some years back.

317 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:29:27pm

re: #272 Price_of_Peace

Problem is that it would leave a black residue if used.

Racist!
/

318 nightwatch  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:29:47pm

re: #275 rawmuse

WHAT? Can't a guy get any sleep around here without the garbage trucks
thumping around with union drivers who don't give no shit NO HOW?

You are now my MOST favorite tool.....FOOL!

319 redc1c4  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:29:51pm

re: #292 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I'm only asking because I have a question, and it would take a Dodge fanatic/expert to answer.

ask away: you might get lucky

320 Price_of_Peace  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:31:09pm

re: #309 Cognito

But soft, what light through yonder window breaks?

What a bundle of positive energy this brings.

///

321 victor_yugo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:31:32pm
322 opnion  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:32:12pm

re: #310 victor_yugo

The signal:noise ratio is going to get worse, not better, the closer we get to the vote. From here on out, probably the only poll worth watching for is the Weekly Reader poll, where kids show what their parents are saying in private.

If anybody doubts what depths that the MSM can sink to, think Rather & Mapes.

323 Price_of_Peace  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:32:35pm

re: #317 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Racist!
/

Old enough to know.

324 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:33:45pm

re: #320 Price_of_Peace

What a bundle of positive energy this brings.

///

Well. It's only a glimmer, but it's something. Australia Fair.

325 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:34:13pm

re: #291 Maximu§

Kolchack-The Night Stalker is on the Chiller channel....course most of you youngsters would'nt remember that show.

The movie or the series, Max?

326 nightwatch  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:35:21pm

re: #226 Cognito

"SSSSMMMMMACCCKKKKK!"

Sweet dreams cupcake ;}

327 Inquisitive  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:35:26pm

I am looking at USATODAY poll tracker......they have three states that are gray(N.D/S.D/Ark).....which means..not enough data. Why? Are they not polling in those states...What states are they polling in. Is it just the ones they think are battle states?

328 Colonel Panik  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:35:51pm

re: #259 Adrenalyn

we sold it the next week for a nice Japanese Acura
the one with the phallic looking shifter

(the wife's choice, not mine)

I just bought a 1992 Integra. It was a snowbird car, single owner. It only has 92k miles on it. It's hard to find one of those that hasn't been all boy racer'd out by the Fast and Furious import tuner crowd so I snapped it up. The interior is immaculate.
Always liked the looks of that body style Integra. Clean lines.
And the dashbord layout is as close to ergonomically perfect as any car I've ever owned, including SAABs which are supposed to be the bees knees as far as cabin ergonomics are concerned due to their aviation lineage.

I drove it out to Goodyear from Ahwatukee 2 weeks ago on the I-10 to visit a customer as I wanted to check the freeway mileage as I had only been using it for grocery trips and trips to the Y to swim. I got 36mpg on that trip varying from about 35-45 mph in bumper to bumper traffic to 70-75 with the cruise control on. Not bad for a 16 year old car.

329 markie  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:35:56pm

re: #288 redc1c4

well, that's still better than a brown one....... %-)

/white smoke

The new soy inks don't rub off...wipe with gusto.

330 spidly  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:35:59pm

re: #276 RTLM

Barney (Fannie Fan) Frank had an intimate relationship with a male executive of Fannie Mae named Herb Moses.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

/Can we just call it "Fannie Frank"?

Herb Moses is an awesome name though

331 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:36:07pm

re: #295 Bobibutu

Hmmm ... I had a Cordoba .. I think a 77 or 78 vintage ... carried me fine for a good number of years - no problems - and a rocket when needed.

Must have the "Fine Corinthian Leather" as Ricardo Montoban said in the commercials! : )

332 victor_yugo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:36:26pm

re: #322 opnion

I'm not talking about the reporting of the numbers, I'm talking only about the numbers themselves and how meaningful they are. For example, take a look at the Ohio 2004 polling trends. The closer to Election Day, the noisier the numbers got.

Remember, there's only one poll that truly matters.

333 Colonel Panik  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:37:54pm

re: #331 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Must have the "Fine Corinthian Leather" as Ricardo Montoban said in the commercials! : )

LOL! You beat me to it.

Corrrdoba!

334 Bobibutu  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:39:11pm

re: #331 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Must have the "Fine Corinthian Leather" as Ricardo Montoban said in the commercials! : )

Yep - light tan - loved the car.

335 RTLM  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:39:38pm

re: #310 victor_yugo

The signal:noise ratio is going to get worse, not better, the closer we get to the vote. From here on out, probably the only poll worth watching for is the Weekly Reader poll, where kids show what their parents are saying in private.

They've been right 12 for 13. We'll see that one on October 29th.

336 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:39:54pm

re: #266 Inquisitive

Call me dumb....but I just don't understand how these polls can even come close to saying who is ahead. How do they pick who they are going to poll on any given day or do they poll the same people each time. I know we have been called in past years and my hubby tells them it is none of their business who he is voting for.....how would they put that in the poll. What is to say that on any given day they just so happen to get hold of more Obama voters than McCain.....that doesn't mean there is not McCain voters out there.....maybe they just weren't there to be polled at the time. Does someone want to maybe enlighten me a little more on this subject?

I'll take this one.....

say you want a pro-Obama poll
ok, cool
we'll dial in on random numbers in say the 510 area code
that's Oakland - you know, Cleveland on the Coast
or Detroit by the bay

or we dial in maybe the 213 area code
South Central L.A.

but don't ever just dial a random10 digit number, hell no
you gotta pick the area code you want
and maybe even a prefix within that code to really narrow down to the neighborhood

ya know the old saying
all politics is local
well, so is polling

337 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:41:29pm

I'm bringing this up from downstairs because I'm not letting this go unchecked:

re: #451 Cognito

I haven't said that.

My point is that people are confusing private and public utilities.

You can be angry at your newspaper for not uncovering the financial mess. (Although you may blame yourself, as well, for not reading the right paper, such as the WSJ for one.) But your anger cannot extend beyond your subscription price. Papers are merely private enterprises created for profit.

Now. The public utility -- the one not created for profit, but for direct governmental representation -- bears the responsibility of unearthing the financial crisis not because it wants your subscription, but because its whole purpose is oversight.

In other words: Papers owe it to themselves and their bottom line to do a good job. The Senate owes it to you.

Wait- what? The press has been given special protection by the Constitution to be a pivotal player in helping the American public keep an eye on Government, and you try to push this off on us?! How are the American people supposed to be able to hold Congress and/or the President accountable if the press doesn't assist us in keeping us informed?

338 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:41:34pm

re: #328 Colonel Panik

I just bought a 1992 Integra. It was a snowbird car, single owner. It only has 92k miles on it. It's hard to find one of those that hasn't been all boy racer'd out by the Fast and Furious import tuner crowd so I snapped it up. The interior is immaculate.
Always liked the looks of that body style Integra. Clean lines.
And the dashbord layout is as close to ergonomically perfect as any car I've ever owned, including SAABs which are supposed to be the bees knees as far as cabin ergonomics are concerned due to their aviation lineage.

I drove it out to Goodyear from Ahwatukee 2 weeks ago on the I-10 to visit a customer as I wanted to check the freeway mileage as I had only been using it for grocery trips and trips to the Y to swim. I got 36mpg on that trip varying from about 35-45 mph in bumper to bumper traffic to 70-75 with the cruise control on. Not bad for a 16 year old car.

heck, I have a 27 year old bike with under 10,000 miles on it
I am the original owner and it's never been crashed

'course I have some newer ones too
some Japanese, and American

339 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:42:38pm

re: #337 Sharmuta

I'm bringing this up from downstairs because I'm not letting this go unchecked:

re: #451 Cognito


Wait- what? The press has been given special protection by the Constitution to be a pivotal player in helping the American public keep an eye on Government, and you try to push this off on us?! How are the American people supposed to be able to hold Congress and/or the President accountable if the press doesn't assist us in keeping us informed?

Thank heavens you didn't let that go 'unchecked.'

Whew!

340 victor_yugo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:43:25pm

re: #328 Colonel Panik

I got that beat.

I got a Honda in 1998, from its first owner. He kept very good records on it, so I could see that about 5,000 miles from new, it got 42 mpg. When he sold it to me, with 87K miles on it, it got 42 mpg. Pretty good.

When I moved back to the Midwest from California in 2006, I had the car packed down with about 2/3 of my worldly possessions. I'm not kidding when I say it got 46 mpg on that trip. I ran the numbers three times, to make sure I didn't screw them up. I had a hard time believing that so much weight didn't keep it from getting such stellar mileage.

It now has 261K miles on it. I'll never again in my life get such a good return on a $2,500 investment.

341 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:43:35pm

re: #339 Cognito

Answer me. How is the American public supposed to hold Washington accountable ifthe press isn't our watchdog?

342 rednaxela  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:43:49pm

Here's the video of McCain in Alburquerque.

Much much better when he's fighting. He should have known that after the last 3 minutes of his RNC speech. So why not do it more often, dog gonnit.

343 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:44:22pm

re: #341 Sharmuta

Answer me. How is the American public supposed to hold Washington accountable ifthe press isn't our watchdog?

Of course the press should be a watchdog, Sharmuta. Once again you've either spectacularly missed the point, or you're purposefully trying.

344 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:44:48pm

re: #301 victor_yugo

Why don't you just change your nick to "Pauline Kael"?

I vote for Tawney Kitaen

345 rednaxela  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:46:16pm

re: #337 Sharmuta

IIRC the Supreme Court does not make distinctions between freedom of the press and freedom of speech.

And indeed, they shouldn't. Otherwise all of us here on this blog might be more restricted in what we can say than CBS and NBC and NYT and all those asswipes.

346 Inquisitive  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:46:34pm

re: #336 Adrenalyn

I'll take this one.....

say you want a pro-Obama poll
ok, cool
we'll dial in on random numbers in say the 510 area code
that's Oakland - you know, Cleveland on the Coast
or Detroit by the bay

or we dial in maybe the 213 area code
South Central L.A.

but don't ever just dial a random10 digit number, hell no
you gotta pick the area code you want
and maybe even a prefix within that code to really narrow down to the neighborhood

ya know the old saying
all politics is local
well, so is polling

So.....you are saying that those that are doing the polling are not really fair on their polling.....they are picking who that want to win.....and hopefully people will see this and say.....Why I might as well vote for that person because he must be the best or there wouldn't be so many other people going to vote for him/her like the polls are saying they are going to. Why everyone wants to vote for the winner....so they vote for who the polls show are ahead. I have never believed in the polls....but after everyone talking about them and I thought I would give it some more thought.....but I guess I was right from the start not to believe in them.

347 spidly  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:46:57pm

what really gets me is a huge portion of the Jewish community will read the rags and see stories about zionazis slaughtering helpless jordyptians and baking Mo al-Durrah into matzos, and get upset at the lies
BUT
stories of bushitler and his oil stealing stormtroopers ravaging the world - TRUE! - we saw it in the Times!

348 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:46:59pm

re: #341 Sharmuta

Answer me. How is the American public supposed to hold Washington accountable ifthe press isn't our watchdog?

um, let me help you - spelling was always my forte' dear poster

the press is the guarddog of the democrat party

349 Colonel Panik  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:47:14pm

re: #301 victor_yugo

Why don't you just change your nick to "Pauline Kael"?

Seriously, dude, I've never seen anyone with one of the damn things and I spend a lot of time in major hub airports like Phoenix and Denver where people are carrying every type of electronic gizmo imaginable.

350 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:47:18pm

re: #343 Cognito

Was this your point?

Papers owe it to themselves and their bottom line to do a good job. The Senate owes it to you.

So in other words- you're just making more excuses for the press.

351 victor_yugo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:47:31pm

re: #337 Sharmuta

Wait- what? The press has been given special protection by the Constitution to be a pivotal player in helping the American public keep an eye on Government, and you try to push this off on us?! How are the American people supposed to be able to hold Congress and/or the President accountable if the press doesn't assist us in keeping us informed?

Ask anyone at the New York Slimes how much they've kept an eye on GWB.

As for neglecting their Constitutionally-protected jobs, market forces are supposed to take care of that.

Face it, the Constitution is their protector, but the American consumer is their enabler.

352 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:48:10pm

re: #351 victor_yugo

Ask anyone at the New York Slimes how much they've kept an eye on GWB.

As for neglecting their Constitutionally-protected jobs, market forces are supposed to take care of that.

Face it, the Constitution is their protector, but the American consumer is their enabler.

The press is the enabler of the democratic money cult in Congress.

353 Mel Lono  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:48:17pm

re: #291 Maximu§

Kolchack-The Night Stalker is on the Chiller channel....course most of you youngsters would'nt remember that show.

The Brain that wouldnt Die.
Oh I'm old enough to remember this one. Scared the Bejesus out of me at 6 yrs. old.

p.s don't look in the closet.

354 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:48:56pm

re: #350 Sharmuta

Was this your point?

So in other words- you're just making more excuses for the press.

No, Sharmuta.

You plucked a comment from a back-and-forth between me and someone else on another thread, transplanted it here, and expect me to explain it to you. You can either sort it out, being fully capable, or you can consult the original thread for any follow-ups.

355 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:50:02pm

re: #346 Inquisitive

not just that, but I've not seen anyone else call that aspect of unfair polling

most folks will tell you it is the way the question is posed

such as:

dear ____:

given that Bush kicks puppies every morning on the way to get the paper
would you vote for him or Kerry, who was a veterinarian before he became a senator

356 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:50:25pm

re: #319 redc1c4

ask away: you might get lucky

There's a guy about a mile from me that has a little "junkyard". He has what looks to be a wrecked 1969 Dodge Daytona- Here's what it looked like back then- [Link: www.get-in2.com...] The car he has is missing the front end, but I've only seen it driving along the highway. I saw one of these cars sell for about $800,000 restored on Speedchannel, so I figure even this partial car might be valuable.

357 victor_yugo  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:51:20pm

re: #349 Colonel Panik

Seriously, dude, I've never seen anyone with one of the damn things and I spend a lot of time in major hub airports like Phoenix and Denver where people are carrying every type of electronic gizmo imaginable.

So? Pauline Kael didn't know anyone who voted for Nixon, either. And I've never seen a million dollars in cash.

358 Syrah  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:51:24pm

There are ways to make the polls work for you.

Seriously, ignore the polls.

Make sure to get everyone that you know who will vote for McCain to the polls on the first Tuesday, November 4th and every one you know who will vote for Obama to the polls on the 2nd Tuesday, November the 11th. ;-)

Getting out the vote is what will make or break this election.

359 stuiec  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:52:27pm

re: #23 laZardo

The Wayside Chapel

An English schoolteacher, was in Switzerland and looking for a room to rent for when she would begin her teaching there the following fall. She asked the schoolmaster if he would recommed any. He took her to see several rooms, and when everything was settled she returned home to make final preparations for the move. When she arrived home, the thought suddenly occured to her that she had not seen a Water Closet (toilet) around the place. She immediately wrote a note to the schoolmaster asking him if there was a "W.C." near the room.

The schoolmaster was a poor master of english so he asked the parish priest about the meaning of the letters "W.C." and the only solution they could come up with for the letters was "Wayside Chapel". The schoolmaster then wrote the following note to the English lady seeking a "W.C." with her room.

Dear Madam: I take great comfort in informing you that a "W.C." is situated nine miles from the house in the corner of a beautiful grove of pine trees, surrounded by lovely grounds. It is capable of holding 229 people, and it is open on Sundays and Thursdays only. As there are a great many people expected during the summer months, I would suggest that you come early, although there is usually plenty of standing room. This is an unfortunate situation, particularly if you are in the habit of going regularly. You will no doubt be glad to hear that a good many bring their lunch and make a day of it, while others, who can't afford to go by car, arrive just in time. I would especially advise your ladyship to go on Thursdays when there is an organ accompaniest. The acoustics are excellent and even the most delicate sounds can be heared everywhere. It may interest you to know that my daughter was married in the "W.C." and it was there that she met her husband. I can remember the rush there was for seats. There were ten people to a seat usually reserved for one, and it was wonderful to see the expression on their faces.

The newest attraction is a bell, donated by a wealthy resident of the district, which rings every time a person enters. A Bazaar is to be held to raise money for plush seats for all, since the people believe it is a long felt want. My wife is rather delicate so she can't go regularly: it is almost a year since she went last. Naturally it pains her not to be able to go more often. I shall be delighted to reserve the best seat for you, if you wish, where you will be seen by all. For the children there is a special time so that they will not disturb the elders.

Hoping to have been of some service to you, I remain,

Sincerely, The Schoolmaster

360 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:53:51pm

re: #354 Cognito

Cop out.

361 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:54:28pm

re: #360 Sharmuta


That's cool.

362 stuiec  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:55:06pm

re: #54 Cognito

Sorry, no. Those wonderful WSJ stories you can get online are paid for by the print side.

Post 12 still stands.

You mean, my subscription to the online edition doesn't count?

363 Cognito  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:55:37pm

re: #362 stuiec

You mean, my subscription to the online edition doesn't count?

Are they still doing that? I thought they'd done away with it.

364 Mel Lono  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:56:32pm

re: #359 stuiec

Interesting story. This is my favorite, very local, WC.
Wayfarers Chapel

365 Oriculum  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:57:47pm

re: #355 Adrenalyn

dear ____:

given that Bush kicks puppies every morning on the way to get the paper
would you vote for him or Kerry, who was a veterinarian before he became a senator

<moonbat> That's obviously a lie... Bush can't read! </moonbat>

366 Colonel Panik  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:58:28pm

re: #357 victor_yugo

So? Pauline Kael didn't know anyone who voted for Nixon, either. And I've never seen a million dollars in cash.

The Pauline Kael analogy just isn't appropriate.

Point being, if the Kindle (g_d I hate that name!) was as popular and trendy as you claim it to be, surely I would have seen someone carrying one by now in a major airport, where people are always using laptops, PDAs, cellphones, iPods etc. The damn thing has been on the market for nearly a year now, and I have yet to see one other than on Amazon's website.

Is Amazon paying you to pimp it?

367 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:59:15pm

re: #361 Cognito

Dillhole- one person called you on that bullshit and said about the same thing I did and this was your brilliant follow-up:

Of course. Hypocrisy and propagandizing always deserve revulsion. But to say the media caused the current economic meltdown is risible.

No one blamed the media for this financial crisis. What the media was blamed for was not helping the American people understand it, to which now you're trying to pin on the Senate. As if the democrat controlled Senate is going to investigate this without public outcry, which is difficult for the public to muster if they're not aware of the problem or don't understand it.

So tonight you've shoved msm responsibility for the lack of the public's information on this situation onto the public for not reading the WSJ and the Senate.

You are scum.

368 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:00:27am

re: #367 Sharmuta

Dillhole- one person called you on that bullshit and said about the same thing I did and this was your brilliant follow-up:

No one blamed the media for this financial crisis. What the media was blamed for was not helping the American people understand it, to which now you're trying to pin on the Senate. As if the democrat controlled Senate is going to investigate this without public outcry, which is difficult for the public to muster if they're not aware of the problem or don't understand it.

So tonight you've shoved msm responsibility for the lack of the public's information on this situation onto the public for not reading the WSJ and the Senate.

You are scum.

Wow. All right.

369 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:00:35am

re: #363 Cognito

Are they still doing that? I thought they'd done away with it.

You mean you're not informed on this issue? Call your Senators and demand an investigation!

370 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:01:15am

re: #369 Sharmuta

You mean you're not informed on this issue? Call your Senators and demand an investigation!

thanks

371 Syrah  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:01:23am
372 Oldasdirt  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:02:23am

re: #356 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

There's a guy about a mile from me that has a little "junkyard". He has what looks to be a wrecked 1969 Dodge Daytona- Here's what it looked like back then- [Link: www.get-in2.com...] The car he has is missing the front end, but I've only seen it driving along the highway. I saw one of these cars sell for about $800,000 restored on Speedchannel, so I figure even this partial car might be valuable.

Has the one in junkyard got the wing?

373 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:03:10am
374 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:03:45am

re: #337 Sharmuta

I'm bringing this up from downstairs because I'm not letting this go unchecked:

re: #451 Cognito


Wait- what? The press has been given special protection by the Constitution to be a pivotal player in helping the American public keep an eye on Government, and you try to push this off on us?! How are the American people supposed to be able to hold Congress and/or the President accountable if the press doesn't assist us in keeping us informed?

A conundrum if I ever heard one. But that's the problem. When the press stops being the inquisitors, and starts being cheerleaders, then all their credibility is gone.

And all their credibility died in 2008.

The funny/sad thing is they don't seem to care, but like you had pointed out earlier, it will only lead to less and less people trusting what they read, so newspaper sales will decline.

They don't seem to understand that by losing all objectivity, they're hanging themselves.

Who was it who said something like if your enemy is going to hang themselves, by all means get out of the way and let them do it?

Good riddance, Main Stream Media. I'll love watching you all die a slow and painful death while you're asking each other "what happened?"

375 victor_yugo  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:05:18am

re: #366 Colonel Panik

I do no business with Amazon.

It does not show you in a strong position, that the best counter-argument you can come up with is to accuse me of vested interest. Will you next suggest I change my nick to "Gwen Ifill"?

376 Mel Lono  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:05:29am

re: #366 Colonel Panik

From what I gathered in 2 minutes scrolling, Kindle is an ebook touted by Amazon that has virtually no readership, correct? And no prospects for an upgrade in the next year. Move on, not org.

377 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:06:35am

re: #370 Cognito

You are a hypocrite and propagandist.

378 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:07:07am

re: #377 Sharmuta

You are a hypocrite and propagandist.

Sounds good to me. Thank you for helping me see it.

379 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:07:50am

re: #350 Sharmuta

Was this your point?

So in other words- you're just making more excuses for the press.

Nope, he's a moron. Always has been, always will be. One who likes to argue for the sake of arguing.

380 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:09:17am

re: #379 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Nope, he's a moron. Always has been, always will be. One who likes to argue for the sake of arguing.

By all means, take a glance over this little argument, which started in post 337, and please reconfirm who's arguing.

381 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:09:37am

re: #378 Cognito

Sounds good to me. Thank you for helping me see it.

You're also a liar. I wish you did see it, but you refuse to. THAT is why I called you lazy earlier. If I were you , I'd expect continued difficult times for your beloved msm. The people are waking up to the bias and will find alternatives.

382 capitalist piglet  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:09:44am

Just in case no one has been on this yet, hell has frozen over. CNN reports on Obama and Ayers, and there were actually a couple of things in here that were new to me. It's actually a decent report, illustrating pretty well that Obama is a liar. Anderson Cooper, of course, tries to pinch hit for Obama, but his defense is weak.

Of course, it's pretty late, I'm tired, and maybe I've just fallen asleep and I'm having a dream.

383 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:09:54am

re: #381 Sharmuta

You're also a liar. I wish you did see it, but you refuse to. THAT is why I called you lazy earlier. If I were you , I'd expect continued difficult times for your beloved msm. The people are waking up to the bias and will find alternatives.

Hmm. Yes.

384 victor_yugo  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:09:56am

re: #374 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

When the press stops being the inquisitors, and starts being cheerleaders, then all their credibility is gone.

Interesting story: At a 2004 panel discussion about a recent tech-sector lawsuit, a Brit commented that nowhere but in the USA had he ever seen the press stand up and applaud at the end of a news conference.

And all their credibility died in 2008 1980 1968.

Better.

385 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:10:10am

re: #372 Oldasdirt

Has the one in junkyard got the wing?

Yes! That's the first thing I noticed.

386 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:12:19am

re: #380 Cognito

By all means, take a glance over this little argument, which started in post 337, and please reconfirm who's arguing.

I'm the argumentative one, but that still leaves you as the moron.

387 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:12:43am

re: #386 Sharmuta

I'm the argumentative one, but that still leaves you as the moron.

Indeed.

388 stuiec  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:12:58am

re: #281 Shiplord Kirel

Newspapers are less and less able to afford reporters, and certainly far less able to afford bureaux in other cities and countries.

Thus they rely on the Associated Press as a means to gather news collectively.

And the Associated Press reports the news with a decided slant to the left, and a good deal of editorializing within its 'hard news' stories.

No matter what the editorial philosophy of a particular newspaper, if it relies on AP stories to fill its news pages, it appears to its readers to have a left bias.

(That doesn't explain the left bias on the news pages of the Wall Street Journal -- that came from the 'leadership' of guys like Al Hunt. One wonders why the editorial side never cracked down on the news side to force them to be, at a bare minimum, unbiased.)

389 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:13:15am

re: #380 Cognito

By all means, take a glance over this little argument, which started in post 337, and please reconfirm who's arguing.

Start at 337? Are you friggin' kidding me? I can go back months...337?

390 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:14:09am

re: #389 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Start at 337? Are you friggin' kidding me? I can go back months...337?

And yet, you have only to go back to 337 if you care to.

391 spidly  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:14:12am

re: #389 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Start at 337? Are you friggin' kidding me? I can go back months...337?

dude, are they ex something-or-others?

392 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:14:52am

re: #391 spidly

dude, are they ex something-or-others?

Ha. I'm watching with as much amusement as you are.

393 redc1c4  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:15:03am

re: #356 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

There's a guy about a mile from me that has a little "junkyard". He has what looks to be a wrecked 1969 Dodge Daytona- Here's what it looked like back then- [Link: www.get-in2.com...] The car he has is missing the front end, but I've only seen it driving along the highway. I saw one of these cars sell for about $800,000 restored on Speedchannel, so I figure even this partial car might be valuable.

your link no w*rky, but wiki says that they are pushing 6 figures, and the 426 version is ~ $300K. worth a look, and grab the vin number, a dealer can tell you for sure by looking it up. just don't seem *too* interested..... "i just want something i can w*rk on with my kids..."

394 lilliew  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:16:00am

Has anyone else seen this?

Barack Obama's ties to Ralia Odinga

SCARY stuff. Has this had any visibility yet?

395 Colonel Panik  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:16:27am

re: #375 victor_yugo

I do no business with Amazon.

It does not show you in a strong position, that the best counter-argument you can come up with is to accuse me of vested interest. Will you next suggest I change my nick to "Gwen Ifill"?

No, that was just the icing on the cake.
My argument, which you are persistently ignoring, is that I travel on business at least twice a month, out of one the busiest airports in the US, and I have yet to see anyone using a Kindle. Business travelers are usually the earliest adopters of handheld electronic devices, so again, if the Kindle is as trendy and popular as you claim, surely I would have seen someone in either Phoenix or Denver airport using one by now, as it has been on the market for over a year.

It doesn't show you in a very strong position to continue to ignore that simple fact.

If you do not have a financial stake in the device you certainly have an emotional stake in it because you certainly are being an a**hole about it.

And that's the last I have to say on the subject. Have a good night.

396 Syrah  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:16:34am

Wind storm here tonight. It will likely be a little rough on the water tomorrow.

/There is something really neat up for auction. It went out of my range when the bidding moved north of $600. Not that I could afford her upkeep, but sometimes, it is fun to have a little daydream.

397 victor_yugo  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:16:45am

re: #393 redc1c4

your link no w*rky, but wiki says that they are pushing 6 figures, and the 426 version is ~ $300K. worth a look, and grab the vin number, a dealer can tell you for sure by looking it up. just don't seem *too* interested..... "i just want something i can w*rk on with my kids..."

Try this link instead.

398 stuiec  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:16:52am

re: #363 Cognito

Are they still doing that? I thought they'd done away with it.

The New York Times did away with theirs, finding that no one wanted to pay to read Maureen Dowd or Paul Krugman.

The WSJ has quite a lot of paid online subscribers.

The Wall Street Journal print franchise has more than 750 journalists world-wide, part of the Dow Jones network of nearly 1,800 business and financial news staff in bureaus across the globe. Other publications that are part of The Wall Street Journal franchise, with a total circulation of 2.7 million, include The Wall Street Journal Asia; The Wall Street Journal Europe; and The Wall Street Journal Online (www.wsj.com). A complement to the print Journal, the Online Journal is the largest paid subscription news site on the Web — with 1 million paid subscribers as of the third quarter of 2007.

399 Bobibutu  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:17:09am

re: #394 lilliew

Has anyone else seen this?

Barack Obama's ties to Ralia Odinga

SCARY stuff. Has this had any visibility yet?

Much.

400 capitalist piglet  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:17:58am

re: #394 lilliew

Has anyone else seen this?

Barack Obama's ties to Ralia Odinga

SCARY stuff. Has this had any visibility yet?

I've been watching some of that stuff on YouTube - there's lots about it there. I'm guessing that's another shoe to drop after this one has sunk in...don't want to saturate things too much, I would guess. (Be sure to watch that CNN report on Ayers, linked up a few posts, if you haven't yet - you'll be surprised at how damning it is, I think.)

401 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:18:56am

"Micheal Moore films are what stupid people cite when they want others to think they are smart"

-Fenway Nation

402 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:20:27am

re: #391 spidly

dude, are they ex something-or-others?

Huh? I'm talking about Cognito, and his/her propensity to argue, with whomever, just for the sake of arguing.

You dig "dude"? Far out!

It has nothing to with Sharmuta and Cog specifically.

403 Oldasdirt  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:21:10am

re: #385 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Yes! That's the first thing I noticed.

I you first check on the internet and can find whats called the front clip,thats Hood,fenders,and the nosecone,then you may be in luck.Also try to make sure the frame still tracks straight.

404 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:21:11am

re: #398 stuiec

Yeah, that business info is good. It brings a paying readership.

To the original point -- not that it really matters anymore, I guess -- is that the infrastructure on which the online 'papers' rest is the print operation.

There's a real battle lining up at the moment between the WSJ and the Times. Should be interesting. Will probably improve both papers. I hope, anyway.

405 stuiec  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:22:04am

re: #364 Mel Lono

Very lovely.

406 Athos  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:22:49am

re: #404 Cognito

A real battle brewing? They've been in a battle for the past 3 or 4 years regarding print and internet. The winner is apparent on several levels.

407 Syrah  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:22:50am

re: #404 Cognito

Yeah, that business info is good. It brings a paying readership.

To the original point -- not that it really matters anymore, I guess -- is that the infrastructure on which the online 'papers' rest is the print operation.

There's a real battle lining up at the moment between the WSJ and the Times. Should be interesting. Will probably improve both papers. I hope, anyway.

The Journal and the Times seem to aim for different readers. Is there really enough overlap for the two to be in competition?

408 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:25:23am

re: #397 victor_yugo

Try this link instead.

Thats it...cool car! Richard Petty drove it in the Daytona 500 with only safety equipment added, which was side windows removed and replaced with nets, and a harness instead of seatbelt.

409 krycek  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:25:48am

re: #376 Mel Lono

From what I gathered in 2 minutes scrolling, Kindle is an ebook touted by Amazon that has virtually no readership, correct? And no prospects for an upgrade in the next year. Move on, not org.

According to this article two new versions of kindle are expected to arrive in time for the holiday season.

Kindle 2.0 Coming around Oct 2008?...

Cool gadget. But I need to be able to see one and touch one first. I hate the fact that it doesn't support PDF and CHM. That might be the deal breaker for many.

410 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:26:31am

re: #406 Athos

A real battle brewing? They've been in a battle for the past 3 or 4 years regarding print and internet. The winner is apparent on several levels.

Nah. The real grapple is just approaching, I think. Things have been more or less polite, so far.

411 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:26:40am

re: #400 capitalist piglet

I've been watching some of that stuff on YouTube - there's lots about it there. I'm guessing that's another shoe to drop after this one has sunk in...don't want to saturate things too much, I would guess. (Be sure to watch that CNN report on Ayers, linked up a few posts, if you haven't yet - you'll be surprised at how damning it is, I think.)

Did CNN suddenly remember that they were the Clinton News Network?

412 redc1c4  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:27:18am

re: #397 victor_yugo

Try this link instead.

that's the same one i was looking at on wiki..... my suggestion still stands.

check it out, but don't look too interested. he may not even want to sell it.....

413 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:27:48am

re: #407 Syrah

The Journal and the Times seem to aim for different readers. Is there really enough overlap for the two to be in competition?

Yes. It's not just about immediate readers, though. It's about market primacy.

414 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:28:48am

re: #403 Oldasdirt

I you first check on the internet and can find whats called the front clip,thats Hood,fenders,and the nosecone,then you may be in luck.Also try to make sure the frame still tracks straight.

I just want to buy the "remains" for $100 and sell it for $10K, LOL. I don't have the time nor expertise (nor funds) to restore it.

415 stuiec  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:28:56am

re: #404 Cognito

Print operations at newspapers are relics of a bygone age.

It has far less to do with the fact that consumers can access news content that is up to the minute from the Web, and far more to do with the fact that consumers can place want ads that are more useful and cost-effective on the Web.

And so local newspapers' print editions shrivel up and die. (Though they do themselves no favors if they demonstrate a bias that drives away readers at the same time.)

416 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:29:26am

I have no idea why newspapers are needed. We have the Senate to investigate for us and we should get our money's worth.

417 Mel Lono  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:29:36am

re: #405 stuiec

My little sister got married there. on an aside, does anyone know a Norwegian funeral toast? Just found out that GP Johann died, and all I had to drink was that Swedish vodka.

418 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:29:56am

re: #415 stuiec

Print operations at newspapers are relics of a bygone age.

It has far less to do with the fact that consumers can access news content that is up to the minute from the Web, and far more to do with the fact that consumers can place want ads that are more useful and cost-effective on the Web.

And so local newspapers' print editions shrivel up and die. (Though they do themselves no favors if they demonstrate a bias that drives away readers at the same time.)

Yes, of course. The trouble is that people still want the product -- the news stories -- but they don't want to pay for them. And newsgathering is expensive.

419 redc1c4  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:30:37am

re: #410 Cognito

Nah. The real grapple is just approaching, I think. Things have been more or less polite, so far.

you really need to buy a better brand of crack.....

(and a better line of bullshit too: no one here is buying yours.)

420 Athos  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:31:11am

re: #410 Cognito

I will disagree. They've been at it, particularly ever since NYT attempted to out do / compete with the WSJ in the online space by mimicing their online subscription model. That failed.

Granted, now that Murdoch has the WSJ, he will be directing it to go more aggressively after the turf that used to be the NYT's - that is, their turf before Pinch lost much of it in his move of the paper from the esteemed position of all the news fit to print to rabid partisanship.

Having worked in Publishing for what used to be a major paper that totally blew it in the ability to leverage new media and the internet (based entirely on the stupidity of the owner / publisher in the early days of the internet) - the NYT is well down that path. It may want to try to perform a last stand against the WSJ - but their reputation and ability to compete is already thoroughly compromised.

421 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:31:45am

re: #419 redc1c4

you really need to buy a better brand of crack.....

(and a better line of bullshit too: no one here is buying yours.)

If you've got a specific criticism of what I said, by all means share it.

422 capitalist piglet  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:31:52am

re: #411 Fenway_Nation

Did CNN suddenly remember that they were the Clinton News Network?

Perhaps. And to some, maybe this won't be a big deal, but a CNN transcript of his remarks during his trip to Kenya reveal this: "OBAMA: I just wanted to say very quickly that I am so proud to be back home and to see all of..."

He called Kenya "home"? As Fitzie would say, "Doubleya tee FAAAACK?"

[Link: transcripts.cnn.com...]

423 Oldasdirt  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:31:58am

re: #408 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Also know that the 800.000$ car you saw sold on TV was ORIGINAL.
Every part was,,even screws, engine stickers, wireing.
Motor,trans,rearend can be rebuilt,but all numbers have to match.
So dont expect to get back top dollar for one with an aftermarket front end.
But still may bring a very good price.

424 Mel Lono  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:32:06am

re: #409 krycek

According to this article two new versions of kindle are expected to arrive in time for the holiday season.

Kindle 2.0 Coming around Oct 2008?...

Cool gadget. But I need to be able to see one and touch one first. I hate the fact that it doesn't support PDF and CHM. That might be the deal breaker for many.

No New Kindle this Year
Hey, it's the frigging NY Times!

425 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:32:22am

re: #416 Sharmuta

I have no idea why newspapers are needed. We have the Senate to investigate for us and we should get our money's worth.

Somewhere a sarc tag is missing. : ) Or it's so obvious it's not necessary.

426 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:33:59am

re: #425 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I use a tag only about half the time. Some LGFers never use one, but I always recommend it for newbies- at least until we get to know them.

427 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:35:39am

re: #420 Athos

Granted, now that Murdoch has the WSJ, he will be directing it to go more aggressively after the turf that used to be the NYT's...

This is the grapple to which I'm referring. So far -- in my opinion at least -- the two papers were competing mostly in the vague sense that they were both trying to snatch as many stories, etc, as possible from the air. But I think Murdoch will take on a more confrontational stance. As you said.

428 redc1c4  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:35:52am

re: #413 Cognito

Yes. It's not just about immediate readers, though. It's about market primacy.

out of the many stupid things you've posted here, this is one of the dumbest.

1. the two firms compete in different markets.
2. the WSJ is interested in it's bottom line, not whatever "market primacy" may mean in your awkward little brain.
3. the NYT has been hemorrhaging readers and ad revenue for years. the Wally, otoh, is chugging right along, and has even managed to convince a sizable number of people to pay for it's content on line.

IOW: Wally gets it, and the Grey Lady doesn't. you and she have much in common.

429 Oldasdirt  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:35:58am

re: #414 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I just want to buy the "remains" for $100 and sell it for $10K, LOL. I don't have the time nor expertise (nor funds) to restore it.

Just saw this post..Well in that case,again,check the internet and see.
Like go to a car site,,or hotrod club site,,and ask around.

430 Athos  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:36:33am

re: #418 Cognito

Yes, of course. The trouble is that people still want the product -- the news stories -- but they don't want to pay for them. And newsgathering is expensive.

Is it, really? Or is that the impression we are supposed to have?

What's been more effective in terms of reporting from Iraq and Afghanistan? Michael Totten and Michael Yon or the AP / Alphabet news channels?

Isn't your argument just an extension of the derision of pajama clad pseudo-journalists as opposed to those graduates of the prestigious J-schools? Frankly, isn't that also a knock of the industry's own making when they pay the news readers on the alphabet stations national programs tens of millions per years for collapsing ratings? And isn't the challenge in funding news bureaus related to the losses in ad and other revenues caused by.........?
Bueller, Bueller......?

431 victor_yugo  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:36:38am

re: #395 Colonel Panik

My argument, which you are persistently ignoring, is that I travel on business at least twice a month, out of one the busiest airports in the US, and I have yet to see anyone using a Kindle. Business travelers are usually the earliest adopters of handheld electronic devices, so again, if the Kindle is as trendy and popular as you claim, surely I would have seen someone in either Phoenix or Denver airport using one by now, as it has been on the market for over a year.

What eisegetic arguments.

Business travelers are early adopters of communication and creation (reports, Power Point, spreadsheets) tools. An e-book reader is none of those, and business travelers are not its target market.

I did not claim the Kindle was "trendy." I said that e-reader devices are improving, and their user base is growing. I made no claim about "trendiness."

And to start the whole thing with a flat-out accusation that I'm a drug user...

Elitist snob shit.

432 Mel Lono  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:37:19am

re: #424 Mel Lono

No New Kindle this Year
Hey, it's the frigging fracking NY Times!

'/hate when us outlanders have to correct oneselves.

433 redc1c4  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:37:36am

re: #418 Cognito

Yes, of course. The trouble is that people still want the product -- the news stories -- but they don't want to pay for them. And newsgathering is expensive.

and yet, the WSJ manages to stay in business, and keep it's readers when the regular papers can't...... go figure.

434 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:38:03am

re: #423 Oldasdirt

Also know that the 800.000$ car you saw sold on TV was ORIGINAL.
Every part was,,even screws, engine stickers, wireing.
Motor,trans,rearend can be rebuilt,but all numbers have to match.
So dont expect to get back top dollar for one with an aftermarket front end.
But still may bring a very good price.

You're killing me...My $10K wreck keeps getting less expensive. Thanks for the reality check. j/k....

435 victor_yugo  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:39:09am

re: #430 Athos

Bueller, Bueller......?

One of our local Donk candidates has a commercial with a Ben Stein-like voice calling the name of the Repub incumbent, implying an absence at least of mind, if not also body, from the office.

Kind of ironic, considering Stein is definitely a Republican.

436 spidly  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:39:29am

re: #402 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Huh? I'm talking about Cognito, and his/her propensity to argue, with whomever, just for the sake of arguing.

You dig "dude"? Far out!

It has nothing to with Sharmuta and Cog specifically.

no shit. let me put it another way.
I was suggesting that they once had a relationship but have split, making their relationship an EX type of relationship; the arguing would be stereotypical of people who are ex's.

fella

437 Mel Lono  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:39:45am

re: #430 Athos

Is it, really? Or is that the impression we are supposed to have?

What's been more effective in terms of reporting from Iraq and Afghanistan? Michael Totten and Michael Yon or the AP / Alphabet news channels?

Isn't your argument just an extension of the derision of pajama clad pseudo-journalists as opposed to those graduates of the prestigious J-schools? Frankly, isn't that also a knock of the industry's own making when they pay the news readers on the alphabet stations national programs tens of millions per years for collapsing ratings? And isn't the challenge in funding news bureaus related to the losses in ad and other revenues caused by.........?
Bueller, Bueller......?

Ding, ding ding. Ups!

438 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:40:14am

You know, this whole Ayers, etc./terrorist strategy is a good start, all true, part of the solution. But with four weeks to go, it's down the stretch they come and Lord Obama is breezing to victory by five lengths, going away, nationally and in every battleground State, riding the current economic crisis over the finish line.

The American people understand the pain and they understand, pretty much, the capitalist way of life. What they don't fully understand yet, is exactly what Lord Obama is peddling as the cure.

If McCain uses the "S" word to Lord Obama's face, preferably tomorrow night, and backs it up and drives it home with the lengthy and well documented factual history, then McCain has a chance, because the vast majority of sane Americans want no part of socialism.

/otherwise, we're going to get our asses kicked and have to live with the consequences for at least two years

439 Syrah  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:40:45am

Newspapers will not die a quick death. The will linger on for a number of years. While it may be true that we here read very little of the dead tree product, we do often read and cite the work that the dead tree media put out.

Many people, most of them from a generation that is just beginning to retire, do not get their information from the interwebs. They are by want and habit people of the printed page and the glowing tube. Newspapers and networks are what they can work with. These people, who never could figure out how to set the clock on their VCR or DVD player/recorder, are not likely to want to fuss with the hassles of IE, FireFox or Safari. The printed page and the boob tube are to them, good enough.

The deadtree product will come to a close in time, just not soon.

440 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:41:19am

re: #428 redc1c4

out of the many stupid things you've posted here, this is one of the dumbest.

1. the two firms compete in different markets.
2. the WSJ is interested in it's bottom line, not whatever "market primacy" may mean in your awkward little brain.
3. the NYT has been hemorrhaging readers and ad revenue for years. the Wally, otoh, is chugging right along, and has even managed to convince a sizable number of people to pay for it's content on line.

IOW: Wally gets it, and the Grey Lady doesn't. you and she have much in common.

In your effort to make this personal, and about me, you've assumed many things. One is that I am a fan of the New York Times. When, if you'll glance back at my comments even just today, you'll find I've trumpeted the Wall Street Journal.

1. The two firms do not compete in different markets.
2. Market primacy is not an "awkward little" idea. I mean that when someone thinks of the premiere newsgathering organization in the United States, they think of [insert name here]. That has great long-term value that can't always be measured by an immediate uptick in readership. The Wall Street Journal, which has taken a great deal of flack in recent years for drifting to the so-called 'right' in recent years for its stance on issues like Fannie and Freddie, didn't necessarily win readers for taking that stance. At that moment, anyway.
3. As I said, you apparently are under the mistaken impression that I'm a fan of the Times over the Journal. That's incorrect.

441 Athos  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:41:29am

re: #427 Cognito

This is the grapple to which I'm referring. So far -- in my opinion at least -- the two papers were competing mostly in the vague sense that they were both trying to snatch as many stories, etc, as possible from the air. But I think Murdoch will take on a more confrontational stance. As you said.

I thought that was perhaps where you might be going for.....but, IMO, that battle is already fought and lost.....as the reputation of the NYT and MSM in general collapses, the WSJ and others who are working to keep the appearances of some balance (WSJ news leans left, WSJ editorial leans right - which is a balance to many) are not feeling the industry challenges anyway to the same level as NYT, LAT /ChiTrib, WaPo, Atlantic JC, etc.......

Even prior to the Murdoch acquisition, the WSJ was aggressively building up it's national cred for news that goes beyond just the business.

It is not that different from IBD catching and leaving the Journal of Commerce in the dust in the 1990's........

442 stuiec  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:43:22am

re: #417 Mel Lono

Here's how ale bowls were used at funerals in the in Telemark region, located in the southeastern part of Norway. People at the funeral would place a huge ale bowl filled with beer on top of the casket. A smaller ale bowl that was also filled with beer would float in it. Each person at the funeral would fill a cup with beer, and they would make a toast in remembrance of the person who died.

Link: http://arts.state.wi.us/static/folkdir/odden2.htm

443 spidly  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:44:40am

re: #401 Fenway_Nation

"Micheal Moore films are what stupid people cite when they want others to think they are smart"

-Fenway Nation

Chomsky is what really pompous stupid people cite.

Bonus to Chomsky is all you have to say is
"East Timor, man....wow....unbelievable. FRIKKEN IMPERIALISTS!"
and you sound like you've read any one of his books.

444 victor_yugo  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:45:32am

re: #441 Athos

(WSJ news leans left, WSJ editorial leans right - which is a balance to many)

Would "WSJ editorializes their news to the left, while their opinion pages lean right" be better?

Facts is facts; they are neither "left" nor "right."

445 Mel Lono  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:45:55am

re: #431 victor_yugo
Thanks! Always learn a new word here. But wouldn't the proper usage be eisegetical?


an interpretation, esp. of Scripture, that expresses the interpreter's own ideas, bias, or the like, rather than the meaning of the text.

446 Athos  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:46:04am

re: #438 Killian Bundy

/otherwise, we're going to get our asses kicked and have to live with the consequences for at least two years

Those who refuse to learn from history will be condemned to repeat it.

That is going to haunt us this November...and if the trends don't change, welcome to Carter II....with all of the damage that will entail. The question is - since we barely survived the first one, can we really survive the more extreme version?

447 stuiec  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:46:08am

re: #441 Athos

Correct. Daniel Pearl was working for the Wall Street Journal, but he wasn't covering the business beat.

448 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:46:49am

re: #430 Athos

Is it, really? Or is that the impression we are supposed to have?

Yes. It is.

What's been more effective in terms of reporting from Iraq and Afghanistan? Michael Totten and Michael Yon or the AP / Alphabet news channels?

There is no serious question here. And Totten and Yon would be the first to say so, I expect. I certainly prefer their politics, but that does not supplant reality.


Isn't your argument just an extension of the derision of pajama clad pseudo-journalists as opposed to those graduates of the prestigious J-schools?

No. My argument -- although I'm sleepy, so who knows -- is that broad newsgathering is expensive. Period. That's why blogs don't really do it. And those that are trying are bleeding money.

Frankly, isn't that also a knock of the industry's own making when they pay the news readers on the alphabet stations national programs tens of millions per years for collapsing ratings?

Of course. Television is a joke. But then again, those news readers aren't paid for nothing. They're paid because they bring in viewers. Although that pool of viewers may be dwindling, I can assure you that network heads don't shell out paychecks for amusement.

And isn't the challenge in funding news bureaus related to the losses in ad and other revenues caused by.........?
Bueller, Bueller......?

Caused by an inability to tie news to advertising in a meaningful way, online. Simple. Fix that, fix the news business.

449 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:47:00am

re: #436 spidly

no shit. let me put it another way.
I was suggesting that they once had a relationship but have split, making their relationship an EX type of relationship; the arguing would be stereotypical of people who are ex's.

fella

Whatever. You obviously didn't, or couldn't, comprehend my point. fella.
/

450 Athos  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:48:52am

re: #444 victor_yugo

That's could be a fair reassessment. On the editorial pages, the editors and commentators generally skew to the right. As for the news items and your correct pointing out that 'facts are facts' - I will add that the interpretation, placement, and inclusion of those facts are impacted by the viewpoint of the reporters and their editors....so they do skew to the left. In a truly benign journalistic environment, only the 'analysis' reportings would skew - the facts being facts would prevent any skewing on pages that were neither analysis or editorial commentary......

451 Oldasdirt  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:49:08am

Nite Lizards.My dog wants food,and I want sleep.
All take care.

452 Mel Lono  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:49:19am

re: #442 stuiec

Link: http://arts.state.wi.us/static/folkdir/o dden2.htm

Thank you. You may be pleased to know that Grandpa Johann Bu was not only a skilled carpenter, but a boat builder as well. My regards.

453 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:52:02am

Yep indeed. Light does through yonder window break.

454 stuiec  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:52:50am

re: #444 victor_yugo

Would "WSJ editorializes their news to the left, while their opinion pages lean right" be better?

Facts is facts; they are neither "left" nor "right."

I have observed that on the news pages, some WSJ reporters will select only the facts that support their argument. And it bothers me that they decide to put their own arguments in their news stories.

One example that opened my eyes was a story about an inner city kid who the reporter portrayed as very bright and academically capable, but held back by the anti-academic culture of his peers. Turned out, though, when he was given an opportunity to participate in a summer program, he washed out -- not quite as academically capable as the reporter made him out to be. And that's when I learned that the WSJ news pages were not impartial purveyors of facts and figures.

455 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:53:26am

re: #446 Athos

Those who refuse to learn from history will be condemned to repeat it.

That is going to haunt us this November...and if the trends don't change, welcome to Carter II....with all of the damage that will entail. The question is - since we barely survived the first one, can we really survive the more extreme version?

Let Palin publicly call him a socialist, because that's what he is, the truth is out there.

/Lord Obama's just much too conniving to admit it openly, because America isn't Europe, yet

456 HD Woman  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:54:43am

Good Morning Nightshift!

457 victor_yugo  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:54:44am

re: #445 Mel Lono

Thanks! Always learn a new word here. But wouldn't the proper usage be eisegetical?

Might be; I derived it according to Greek stems, not Latin.

458 spidly  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:55:12am

re: #438 Killian Bundy


/otherwise, we're going to get our asses kicked and have to live with the consequences for at least two years

We could always hope that the coronation festival replete with drum circles on the floor of the house and senate would take the entire two years. WOOOOO, full on hippie jam, we're changin the world, man!

459 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:55:50am

re: #448 Cognito

Caused by an inability to tie news to advertising in a meaningful way, online. Simple. Fix that, fix the news business.

Good Lord- you don't get it. Fixing ad revenue won't help. Who wants to purchase ad space with a paper or site no one reads? That's wasted money.

The problem with the news business is the bias that turning veiwers and readers away. Fix that- readers/viewers will return, and then spending the money to place ads with them looks good and is worth the money.

But go ahead and keep thinking the problem is fixing ad revenue.

460 victor_yugo  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:56:10am

re: #455 Killian Bundy

Let Palin publicly call him a socialist, because that's what he is, the truth is out there.

/Lord Obama's just much too conniving to admit it openly, because America isn't Europe, yet

Turns out Europe isn't, either.

461 spidly  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:56:23am

re: #453 Cognito

Yep indeed. Light does through yonder window break.

Looks like a storm surge to me

462 spidly  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:58:06am

re: #460 victor_yugo

Turns out Europe isn't, either.

bad bad Ireland is sucking in the deposits from around the world.

463 Athos  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:01:09am

re: #448 Cognito

What's been more effective in terms of reporting from Iraq and Afghanistan? Michael Totten and Michael Yon or the AP / Alphabet news channels?

There is no serious question here. And Totten and Yon would be the first to say so, I expect. I certainly prefer their politics, but that does not supplant reality.

Not to put words into their mouths, but I think that the entire reason they are doing what they are doing, at their own expense or based on contributions from their readers, is because the traditional news outlets aren't doing the job.

Walk around your newsroom and others. Ask those reporters why they got into the business.....note how many comment about changing the world or making the world better as opposed to providing the first real recording of history.

My argument -- although I'm sleepy, so who knows -- is that broad newsgathering is expensive. Period. That's why blogs don't really do it. And those that are trying are bleeding money.

It's only expensive in the old paradigm. That's another of the fallacies of the argument around the primacy of the traditional media / journalism industry. Costs, editorial controls, etc are all of the standard arguments given to explain the limitations and benefits of the old media - yet, there are many bloggers who have as much if not greater access in many areas, at far less cost, and have thousands of other bloggers and readers to fact check their ass as opposed to a single editor who may be quite willing to inflict his opinion into the story.....

Caused by an inability to tie news to advertising in a meaningful way, online. Simple. Fix that, fix the news business.

Nope. That's not it. There are ways to tie in and implement advertising in an online environment that is valid and meaningful to readers. The issue is not the online environment - but the content. If the content has no value, readers will not pay subscription dollars or tolerate adverts. Ultimately, the content is / has become a commodity....just as the voice minute over the telephone has become a commodity. That's the paradigm change - and the industry, with few exceptions, doesn't get it. The news business gets fixed when they fix their content - and learn the lessons of the successful organizations.....

464 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:01:16am

re: #459 Sharmuta

Good Lord- you don't get it. Fixing ad revenue won't help. Who wants to purchase ad space with a paper or site no one reads? That's wasted money.

The problem with the news business is the bias that turning veiwers and readers away. Fix that- readers/viewers will return, and then spending the money to place ads with them looks good and is worth the money.

But go ahead and keep thinking the problem is fixing ad revenue.

Right. Thanks.

465 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:02:52am

re: #462 spidly

bad bad Ireland is sucking in the deposits from around the world.

I'm hoping for a simultaneous global rate cut.

A reset button, of sorts.

466 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:03:27am

re: #458 spidly

We could always hope that the coronation festival replete with drum circles on the floor of the house and senate would take the entire two years. WOOOOO, full on hippie jam, we're changin the world, man!

I'm certainly not going to throw myself in front of a moving truck. Maybe this is what our half of the country needs to finally "get it", a big I told you so.

/the Obama voting half reminds me of the mindless moonbats standing on top of the building, partying and waving signs, waiting to welcome the aliens in Independence Day

467 HD Woman  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:03:42am

Speaking of news... I've been trying to connect some dots, I know Obama Sr. met Neil Abercrombi in Hawaii, and I'm wondering what other future powerful connections he made for little Barry.
I'm needing a little help on research- in this article: [Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]
Obama notes his father's friends "were legion, and he helped organize the International Students Association, of which he became the first president."
I am not finding anything that would give me a list of other students associated with Obama Sr. Does anyone have any info?

468 victor_yugo  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:05:28am

re: #462 spidly

bad bad Ireland is sucking in the deposits from around the world.

Not to mention Iceland's time to pay the piper.

(No, not Piper Palin!)

469 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:08:41am

re: #464 Cognito

Going to give the same bullshit reply to Athos now for telling you the same thing?

470 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:10:58am

re: #468 victor_yugo

(No, not Piper Palin!)

/PiperGel: Apply directly to the baby head

471 redc1c4  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:12:35am

re: #440 Cognito

In your effort to make this personal, and about me, you've assumed many things. One is that I am a fan of the New York Times. When, if you'll glance back at my comments even just today, you'll find I've trumpeted the Wall Street Journal.

1. The two firms do not compete in different markets.
2. Market primacy is not an "awkward little" idea. I mean that when someone thinks of the premiere newsgathering organization in the United States, they think of [insert name here]. That has great long-term value that can't always be measured by an immediate uptick in readership. The Wall Street Journal, which has taken a great deal of flack in recent years for drifting to the so-called 'right' in recent years for its stance on issues like Fannie and Freddie, didn't necessarily win readers for taking that stance. At that moment, anyway.
3. As I said, you apparently are under the mistaken impression that I'm a fan of the Times over the Journal. That's incorrect.

whereas you simply assumed, once again incorrectly, that you understood what i said, rather than actually getting my point, which is obviously beyond your grasp. i could point it all out again, but that would be casting pearls of wisdom before swine, and i never try to teach a pig to sing: it wastes my time and annoys the pig.

i will, however, continue to laugh at you, and occasionally mock you in my replies. thanks for playing! %-)

472 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:13:19am

re: #463 Athos

Not to put words into their mouths, but I think that the entire reason they are doing what they are doing, at their own expense or based on contributions from their readers, is because the traditional news outlets aren't doing the job.

Not doing the job completely. Not satisfying all readers. But to say that you could swap the (good) work Totten and Yon have done for the (not always so good) work of the news services is just unrealistic.

Walk around your newsroom and others. Ask those reporters why they got into the business.....note how many comment about changing the world or making the world better as opposed to providing the first real recording of history.

That's a well-worn trope around here. Sure, some goofy college freshman may want to 'change the world,' but that's because he's a college freshman. Grownups want to do a good job, and there's nothing wrong with making a difference. I wish more people had paid attention, to return to my running example, to the work of the Wall Street Journal regarding mortgage-backed securities. It would have made a 'difference.'

It's only expensive in the old paradigm.

Sorry, no. It's expensive. Many costs are hard, so to speak. Flights cost money. Translators. Paychecks. Security. Meals. Equipment. I could go on all day. And while online publication may save on distribution, it does nothing to reduce those hard costs.


That's another of the fallacies of the argument around the primacy of the traditional media / journalism industry. Costs, editorial controls, etc are all of the standard arguments given to explain the limitations and benefits of the old media - yet, there are many bloggers who have as much if not greater access in many areas, at far less cost, and have thousands of other bloggers and readers to fact check their ass as opposed to a single editor who may be quite willing to inflict his opinion into the story.

I look forward to the day when this starts to happen in a meaningful way. That day has not arrived. Good reporting is expensive, in addition to the costs mentioned above, because good reporters are expensive. It's hard work. Ask the WSJ.


Nope. That's not it. There are ways to tie in and implement advertising in an online environment that is valid and meaningful to readers.

Make that work and you'll be a billionaire by next year.

The issue is not the online environment - but the content. If the content has no value, readers will not pay subscription dollars or tolerate adverts. Ultimately, the content is / has become a commodity....just as the voice minute over the telephone has become a commodity. That's the paradigm change - and the industry, with few exceptions, doesn't get it. The news business gets fixed when they fix their content - and learn the lessons of the successful organizations.....

Again: People are flocking to the content. It's everywhere. It's in Associated Press stories right here on LGF. The problem is making it pay. The problem is locking it to advertising.

473 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:14:13am

re: #471 redc1c4

whereas you simply assumed, once again incorrectly, that you understood what i said, rather than actually getting my point, which is obviously beyond your grasp. i could point it all out again, but that would be casting pearls of wisdom before swine, and i never try to teach a pig to sing: it wastes my time and annoys the pig.

i will, however, continue to laugh at you, and occasionally mock you in my replies. thanks for playing! %-)

Sounds good.

474 Mel Lono  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:19:01am

re: #471 redc1c4

casting pearls of wisdom before swine

Sorry red. I really did try to find a Pearls before Swine tag that would fit, but even Neil would have gone to sleep.

475 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:20:36am

re: #471 redc1c4

Oh yeah, you're right about the Chevy Vega Cogsworth. I made the mistake of taking a test drive with my maniac stepbrother. He eventually took it to the drag strip, but at the time we were on city streets.

/and, at the time, there was no shift lever, he was reaching in and pulling the rods manually with a glove while exceeding 100 mph

476 redc1c4  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:21:21am

re: #474 Mel Lono

Sorry red. I really did try to find a Pearls before Swine tag that would fit, but even Neil would have gone to sleep.

maybe we could convince the crocks that Cognito is a zeeba?

477 Mel Lono  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:23:34am

re: #476 redc1c4

maybe we could convince the crocks that Cognito is a zeeba?

zeeba neighbor?

478 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:24:51am

It's the economy content, stupid.

While Chalres may post the same ap article the nyt and other msm outlets ost on their sites and print in their paper, Charles is usally making a comment about a bias he sees in the story, while the msm just allows the story to stand as is. Perhaps Charles posts a story froom the ap and inclueds valuable information about a person in the article that the ap or msm outlet using the same story doesn't bother to include.

I think the comment in #7 still stands. Where is the fact checking and accountability in the msm as opposed to blogs? I think you're not grasping the difference in the presentation of the same ap article, therefore it very much is the content and the added context we get at blogs that we're not getting from the msm.

But keep ignoring the content aspect.

479 redc1c4  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:25:34am

re: #475 Killian Bundy

Oh yeah, you're right about the Chevy Vega Cogsworth. I made the mistake of taking a test drive with my maniac stepbrother. He eventually took it to the drag strip, but at the time we were on city streets.

/and, at the time, there was no shift lever, he was reaching in and pulling the rods manually with a glove while exceeding 100 mph

i've seen pics of vegas with small block V-8's in them..... we were down in Torrance last year, and i saw something so out there that i turned around to get pictures: an AMC Gremlin with a hood scoop, fat slicks in the back and wheelie bars....... one day i'll figger our how to get the pics off my phone and on the net to share....

480 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:26:06am

re: #478 Sharmuta

Oh- that was obviously directed at cognito. Sorry about that.

Gee- I guess context added to content really helps, huh?

481 redc1c4  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:27:26am

re: #478 Sharmuta

It's the economy content, stupid.

While Chalres may post the same ap article the nyt and other msm outlets ost on their sites and print in their paper, Charles is usally making a comment about a bias he sees in the story, while the msm just allows the story to stand as is. Perhaps Charles posts a story froom the ap and inclueds valuable information about a person in the article that the ap or msm outlet using the same story doesn't bother to include.

I think the comment in #7 still stands. Where is the fact checking and accountability in the msm as opposed to blogs? I think you're not grasping the difference in the presentation of the same ap article, therefore it very much is the content and the added context we get at blogs that we're not getting from the msm.

But keep ignoring the content aspect.

it's not that Cognito is always wrong, it's that he knows so many things that just aren't true. %-)

482 stiruptheblog  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:28:08am
The passage of this Bail-Out Bill and subsequent market downturn is enough to get us all angry. But how many realize the newest Bill that was passed had over 100 billion dollars added to it along with some amendments UN-RELATED TO THE BAIL-OUT? I know this practice is ages old, but it is wrong; just as is bundling good loans with bad. I know they do it to garner votes. However, a good idea, a good law, should stand on its own.

There are so many additions in this 451 page monstrosity, I lost count... [more]

[Link: stiruptheblog.blogspot.com...]

483 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:28:12am

re: #478 Sharmuta

Right. Which is why Charles stuck to the ban on AP stories, right?

Of course not. He needs the content.

484 redc1c4  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:28:27am

re: #480 Sharmuta

i thought the intended recipient was obvious..... not that he'll get the point, mind you. %-)

485 Athos  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:28:38am

re: #472 Cognito

Not satisfying all readers.

Informing or appealing to their biases and wanting to see what they want to believe?

But to say that you could swap the (good) work Totten and Yon have done for the (not always so good) work of the news services is just unrealistic.

I'll disagree. They might not have the distribution....but from their work and lack of counterbias (yes, in some ways they do have biases at play....) they have gotten better access than the accredited media. Perhaps it comes down to the fact that they lack the arrogance of many in the traditional media.

It's expensive. Many costs are hard, so to speak. Flights cost money. Translators. Paychecks. Security. Meals. Equipment. I could go on all day. And while online publication may save on distribution, it does nothing to reduce those hard costs.

And the bloggers I named have met those costs with the assistance of their readership. I will not deny that there are fixed costs, but, fixed costs are controllable and these gentlemen have achieved far more, IMO, with their fixed costs, than the millions tossed into the MSM bureau's and their use of stringers in the ME. But beyond the argument of new media vs old, within old media, organizations like FNC are making money / turning profits while the majority of other elements are losing their shirts. FNC has the same costs. It's how the costs are controlled, and more importantly, what is done with the product from those costs. That's where most old media has lot it.

Make that work and you'll be a billionaire by next year.

The chaps at Google beat me to it. MS and Yahoo aren't far behind. The point is - some organizations are making ad revenue online. The issue isn't the lack of ads or revenue, but as another pointed out, the lack of quality in the content that will attract the eyeballs needed to make the adverts pay.....which is the same problem the print editions are also facing. Without the eyeballs, no one will advertise....or if they do it's for substantially less cost.

People are flocking to the content. It's everywhere. It's in Associated Press stories right here on LGF. The problem is making it pay. The problem is locking it to advertising.

Yes, content is key - but it has to be compelling content. As I said before, content is becoming a commodity....and a commodity that is lessened further in value when it includes biases and opinions when none are required or called for. People will pay only when they see value. The trend in your industry is that the majority of people see no value....in print or online except in very few firms....many of which coincidently are owned by Murdoch. Hmm, what can that tell us given his pattern and positioning of his properties? Perhaps it is something that others should not only emulate, but try to do better?

486 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:31:00am

re: #484 redc1c4

i thought the intended recipient was obvious..... not that he'll get the point, mind you. %-)

No- and he obviously didn't if you read his #483.

487 Athos  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:32:24am

re: #483 Cognito

Right. Which is why Charles stuck to the ban on AP stories, right?

Of course not. He needs the content.

As in needing the content to highlight the point that he is trying to make.

I am presuming this based on my time on this blog.....but feel free to see if Charles will say any different to you.

488 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:32:48am

re: #485 Athos

No no, don't get me wrong: Murdoch has certainly, very smartly, identified and exploited a weakness in his competitors: their leftist bias. They left a vacuum that the market demanded be filled. Excellent for him, and excellent for the consumer.

But it's wrong to assert that it's bias that's now -- coincidentally to the technological unhinging of content from advertising -- killing papers. Because if that were true the biggest political blogs in the world would run counter to those papers -- and they don't. They're leftist, too.

489 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:33:43am

re: #487 Athos

As in needing the content to highlight the point that he is trying to make.

I am presuming this based on my time on this blog.....but feel free to see if Charles will say any different to you.

No -- he joined some sort of campaign against using AP stories except to highlight their errors and biases. But he quickly dropped it. The content is valuable to him.

490 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:35:46am

re: #478 Sharmuta

Is your point that media bias exists? Welcome to the real world, exposing it isn't helping McCain or telling tales out of school because the vast majority of American voters don't read LGf or any other political blog.

/this calls for a devastating breakthrough that sticks, got another throbbing memo or it's equivalent?

491 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:37:30am

re: #489 Cognito

No -- he joined some sort of campaign against using AP stories except to highlight their errors and biases. But he quickly dropped it. The content is valuable to him.

As usual- I think you have your facts confused on that.

492 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:38:02am

re: #491 Sharmuta

As usual- I think you have your facts confused on that.

No. I don't.

493 JustMyView  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:39:20am

re: #459 Sharmuta

Good Lord- you don't get it. Fixing ad revenue won't help. Who wants to purchase ad space with a paper or site no one reads? That's wasted money.

The problem with the news business is the bias that turning veiwers and readers away. Fix that- readers/viewers will return, and then spending the money to place ads with them looks good and is worth the money.

But go ahead and keep thinking the problem is fixing ad revenue.

Not true. There is demand for the content of newspapers. The daily circulation of the Washington Post is 673,000 and its Sunday circulation is 890,000, but its web site gets 8.5 million hits per day. So the problem is not lack of interest in the product, but the difficulty of paying to produce it.

494 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:40:58am

re: #492 Cognito

No. I don't.

Yes- you do. When Charles was boycotting the ap, the only thing he published from them was a photograph of the enema statue in Russia- I believe because he thought it was funny. Then he decided to drop it, so for you to say "except to highlight their errors and biases" is incorrect. I'd say he likely dropped the boycott so he could continue to point out the biases and errors.

495 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:41:34am

re: #493 JustMyView

Read the Republican platform yet?

496 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:41:55am

re: #494 Sharmuta

Yes- you do. When Charles was boycotting the ap, the only thing he published from them was a photograph of the enema statue in Russia- I believe because he thought it was funny. Then he decided to drop it, so for you to say "except to highlight their errors and biases" is incorrect. I'd say he likely dropped the boycott so he could continue to point out the biases and errors.

Right.

I won't bother linking the numerous Associated Press stories posted here that have nothing to do with bias or error.

497 redc1c4  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:43:35am

re: #493 JustMyView

Not true. There is demand for the content of newspapers. The daily circulation of the Washington Post is 673,000 and its Sunday circulation is 890,000, but its web site gets 8.5 million hits per day. So the problem is not lack of interest in the product, but the difficulty of paying to produce it.

and you join your partner in denseness in missing the point. people come from all over to see the content, but they don't find it worth paying for.....

yet the WSJ can and does convince millions of people to actually pay for it's web version.

way to go Sharmuta, now you've got both of them at it..... %-)

498 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:44:36am

re: #479 redc1c4

i've seen pics of vegas with small block V-8's in them..... we were down in Torrance last year, and i saw something so out there that i turned around to get pictures: an AMC Gremlin with a hood scoop, fat slicks in the back and wheelie bars....... one day i'll figger our how to get the pics off my phone and on the net to share....

You download the images form the camera to your PC using the camera provided (or other) software. Then you upload the images to the internet using your ISP (or other) FTP software. It should be all free.

I'm not impress.

/now, you get a picture of an AMC Pacer dragster . . .

499 JustMyView  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:46:44am

re: #495 Sharmuta

Read the Republican platform yet?

That's not really germane to the questions under discussion. Perhaps you'd care to acknowledge your misunderstanding of demand for the content generated by the MSM, as demonstrated by the figures I posted. The blogs are all about fact-checking, right?

500 redc1c4  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:46:52am

re: #498 Killian Bundy

You download the images form the camera to your PC using the camera provided (or other) software. Then you upload the images to the internet using your ISP (or other) FTP software. It should be all free.

I'm not impress.

/now, you get a picture of an AMC Pacer dragster . . .

cell phone camera...... not a regular one. i think i'm supposed to be able to email them to myself, but that would require finding and reading the manual.

i was involved in a car chase once where the people chasing (and shooting) at me were in a Pacer..... does that count? %-)

501 Athos  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:46:57am

re: #489 Cognito

Again, take it specifically with Charles, but I am seeing him using that content to point out the errors and biases - not for other reasons like needing filler content or thread topics. My impression is that he does not consider the AP as the 'source of record' for topics.

As for the reasons for the decline, we will agree to disagree. There is a trend with those outlets that are seeing the largest declines and loss of readers / viewers. It's a trend that does not, IMO, reflect well on the Industry hence the reasons for the Industry to follow human nature and excuse / mask the reasons as opposed to fixing them.

As for the leftist blogs being the larger read in the blogosphere, while the numbers are suspect, that is probably the case when we look at the readership of blogs on the center or right - since the readership is more distributed on the center / right. But that still doesn't explain why the media outlets that are closest to the left or left leaning are losing readers / viewers far faster than others - like FNC which is holding its own / gaining readers and viewers.

The inability to consider the impact of the bias is an institutional bias that mirrors the problem in the industry. When one discounts that out of hand, then all the following conclusions are skewed by how wrong the original conclusion is. Fix that bias issue and then there will be improvement.

It's fundamentally no different from the Publisher who told me that the internet was a fad and would never be a threat, or the national security analsyst who said that sunni and shi'te would never cooperate against a common enemy......once the flaw is made, all the rest of the conclusions have the same fundamental flaw.

502 redc1c4  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:47:45am

re: #499 JustMyView

That's not really germane to the questions under discussion. Perhaps you'd care to acknowledge your misunderstanding of demand for the content generated by the MSM, as demonstrated by the figures I posted. The blogs are all about fact-checking, right?

even when the facts presented aren't germane to the question at hand?

503 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:48:38am

re: #497 redc1c4

and you join your partner in denseness in missing the point. people come from all over to see the content, but they don't find it worth paying for.....

yet the WSJ can and does convince millions of people to actually pay for it's web version.

way to go Sharmuta, now you've got both of them at it..... %-)

No. You miss the point. People clearly have -- for many, many, many years -- found the content worth paying for. They didn't just magically stop paying, one day. Something changed: the method of distribution.

The problem is that now the content is being delivered in a fashion -- digitally -- that unhinges the content from the advertising. Anyone can grab a Washington Post story and email it to his friend. Or slap it on his site, sans advertising. Or rather, more to the point: sans advertising that pays the people who actually produced the content.

504 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:51:45am

re: #499 JustMyView

Nope. I find it particularly amusing that earlier you'd make a comment about what is or isn't a part of the republican platform without having read it.

You went on to tell me you'd read it. So- have you?

505 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:51:56am

re: #501 Athos

Again, take it specifically with Charles, but I am seeing him using that content to point out the errors and biases - not for other reasons like needing filler content or thread topics.

With respect, you may want to look again.

But that still doesn't explain why the media outlets that are closest to the left or left leaning are losing readers / viewers far faster than others - like FNC which is holding its own / gaining readers and viewers.

Well, cable is actually doing relatively well across the board. But yes, FNC is robust, for the very reason we discussed earlier: Murdoch quite rightly identified a need in the market, and filled it. Note that, for instance, Fox's business channel is suffering terribly: There wasn't a need in the market.

506 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:53:32am

re: #499 JustMyView

Notice how the markets tank when socialist Obama spikes in the polls? There's good reason for the Fear.

/are you going to come back and hang around when Obama turns out to be an epic fail?

507 Scion9  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:54:35am

re: #201 DeafDog

If they just embedded someone with the Army that would be enough. They don't want to do that because they think that's 'biased".....they are - in other words - assholes

The Army has been pretty uptight with letting journalists 'hang' with them in Afghanistan. Right now, with most of the boots on the ground in Iraq, Special Forces are the backbone in Afghanistan, and the Army is very 'protective' of them. They don't like them being babysitters for journalists, or taking orders from non-US NATO Commanders, etc.

As for Iraq, no excuse really. Assholes.

508 JustMyView  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:54:36am

re: #497 redc1c4

and you join your partner in denseness in missing the point. people come from all over to see the content, but they don't find it worth paying for.....

yet the WSJ can and does convince millions of people to actually pay for it's web version.

Why would they find it "worth paying for" when it is available for free? Also, which parts of the WSJ require a subscription? (Honest question.) An awful lot of it is available free.

509 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:57:02am

re: #508 JustMyView

Why would they find it "worth paying for" when it is available for free? Also, which parts of the WSJ require a subscription? (Honest question.) An awful lot of it is available free.

If you're not sure, then I recommend calling your Senators to lead an investigation. Get your money's worth.

510 Ledger1  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:57:36am

re: #65 soccerdad

Talk about someone getting fisted. This moonbat got it.

[Clip of Palin giving a stinky hippie a swift boot to the rear as the crowd cheers]


[Comments at GP]

Excellent! I'm just amazed that she had the presence of mind to say "Bless your heart, sir." That's class under pressure. – Weather Girl 4:15 PM

[Disgruntled moonbat incites violence]

Sarah Palin really angers me.

On another note: If you guys try to steel this election there will be chaos on the streets. There are a lot of Obama supporters out there who are trained and ready if this comes down to physical confrontation. We're not going to put up with this anymore. It's time for real change, not John McSame. – Bruce 4:58 PM

See: Palin puts heckler in his place


[If you read the comments "Bruce" is apparently from Canada]

511 JustMyView  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:57:48am

re: #506 Killian Bundy

Notice how the markets tank when socialist Obama spikes in the polls? There's good reason for the Fear.

I doubt even John McCain believes that.

/are you going to come back and hang around when Obama turns out to be an epic fail?

Assuming he's elected, it'll be several years before we know how successful he'll be as president. I can't make promises as to how interested I'll be in hanging out year years from now, but I can promise that I'll criticize him when I think he's wrong.

512 redc1c4  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:58:37am

re: #503 Cognito

No. You miss the point. People clearly have -- for many, many, many years -- found the content worth paying for. They didn't just magically stop paying, one day. Something changed: the method of distribution.

The problem is that now the content is being delivered in a fashion -- digitally -- that unhinges the content from the advertising. Anyone can grab a Washington Post story and email it to his friend. Or slap it on his site, sans advertising. Or rather, more to the point: sans advertising that pays the people who actually produced the content.

you couldn't grasp the point with both hands if i buried the tip in your chest. first off, you can't just put the article on your site, unless you like losing lawsuits. 2ndly, most papers won't let you access many stories unless you register to use the site. when you log in, they get credit for all the ads you see and ignore on the pages you visit. here in the real world, we call that revenue.

we used to get the LA Times, and the WSJ. we left the Times because A: i couldn't stand the drivel and endless bullshit they dispensed as news. it didn't bother the boss so much because she ignored most of the paper. B: they finally pissed off HRH with lousy delivery, faulty billing and craptastic customer service. neither one of us accesses their free web page content. if we want to look up local news, we're likely to use the web page of the local paper we switched to. we left because the product sucked, not because we could get it for free.

demographics are also playing a part: my parents generation is dying off, and the younger ones aren't as print oriented. bottom line is, the papers have to reinvent themselves, ala the WSJ, or they will all fail.

513 redc1c4  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:59:18am

re: #504 Sharmuta

Nope. I find it particularly amusing that earlier you'd make a comment about what is or isn't a part of the republican platform without having read it.

You went on to tell me you'd read it. So- have you?

magic 8 ball sez: "not at this time"

514 TheMatrix31  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:59:27am

re: #511 JustMyView

Assuming he's elected, it'll be several years before we know how successful he'll be as president. I can't make promises as to how interested I'll be in hanging out year years from now, but I can promise that I'll criticize him when I think he's wrong.

Just like we won't know for years whether Bush will be a successful President.

The full scope of success is not painted until well after the dust settles on a Presidency.

515 redc1c4  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:59:43am

FRUITCUP!

516 littleoldlady  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:00:03am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------->
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517 mich-again  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:00:04am

I always go online for a few minutes before going to work just to peruse the headlines and now Yahoo news is featuring a story linking John McCain to Iran-Contra. Oh for crying out loud. Iran-Contra? Is that all they got?

Meanwhile, they keep ignoring the stories about Obama's very bestest buddy Wiliam Ayers.

The media bias isn't just in what they put in, its in what they leave out.

518 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:00:20am

re: #508 JustMyView

Why would they find it "worth paying for" when it is available for free? Also, which parts of the WSJ require a subscription? (Honest question.) An awful lot of it is available free.

Ok- seriously. Indeed- why pay for something we could get for free?

It's the content. Why are Rush and O'Reily making money off their site's subscriptions? Could it be that people are willing to pay for that content?

To tell the truth- I'm glad LGF is free, but I'd pay for this site.

519 littleoldlady  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:00:53am

re: #515 redc1c4

I'm here, red.

/just throwing coffee in my eyes, trying to wake up...

520 redc1c4  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:02:11am

re: #511 JustMyView

Assuming he's elected, it'll be several years before we know how successful he'll be as president. I can't make promises as to how interested I'll be in hanging out year years from now, but I can promise that I'll criticize him when I think he's wrong.

like anyone believes you....... Carter was a demonstrated fool from nearly the get go. Obanal will prove to be worse even faster, to the point that even Helen Keller would notice, and she's dead, but given your track record of mendacity, you and the MSM will ignore it.

521 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:03:15am

re: #515 redc1c4

re: #516 littleoldlady

I'll take one of each this morning. Thanks red and lol. *hic*

522 littleoldlady  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:04:07am

re: #521 Sharmuta

Sharmuta! :-)

That's a smart way to do it. ;-)

/I'll have to remember that...

523 Temujin  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:04:08am

re: #516 littleoldlady

littleoldlady! savin' the day!

524 redc1c4  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:05:07am

re: #508 JustMyView

Why would they find it "worth paying for" when it is available for free? Also, which parts of the WSJ require a subscription? (Honest question.) An awful lot of it is available free.

your claim, you do your own research. the immutable fact is that the WSJ has over a million paying customers for it's online version.

525 Mel Lono  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:05:33am

re: #519 littleoldlady

morning Maam, Red's on point... in a manner of speaking.

526 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:06:03am

re: #512 redc1c4

you couldn't grasp the point with both hands if i buried the tip in your chest...

It really doesn't matter how much bluster you add, I do know what I'm talking about. There are many, many factors at play. The model you think works so beautifully -- the online subscriptions at WSJ -- is being paid for by the print side.

Now, if Murdoch's gamble pays off, it could start pulling in a good deal of revenue in a few years. But there's some question whether it will survive that long. There are serious drawbacks to the model.

For instance, Google the term "stocks." The Wall Street Journal is at the top.

Right?

No?

Second listing?

Third?

No?

527 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:06:23am

re: #511 JustMyView

I doubt even John McCain believes that.

That's not what I asked.

/do you think the markets are overreacting to the ever increasing possibility that socialist Obama will be the next U.S. President, your not going to deny he's a hard core socialist, right?

528 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:07:01am

re: #517 mich-again

I always go online for a few minutes before going to work just to peruse the headlines and now Yahoo news is featuring a story linking John McCain to Iran-Contra. Oh for crying out loud. Iran-Contra? Is that all they got?

Meanwhile, they keep ignoring the stories about Obama's very bestest buddy Wiliam Ayers.

The media bias isn't just in what they put in, its in what they leave out.

HAH! The average 0bama fanboy probably wasn't even alive when Iran-Contra hit the fan.

529 redc1c4  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:08:05am

re: #510 Ledger1

Talk about someone getting fisted. This moonbat got it.

[Clip of Palin giving a stinky hippie a swift boot to the rear as the crowd cheers]


[Comments at GP]

Excellent! I'm just amazed that she had the presence of mind to say "Bless your heart, sir." That's class under pressure. – Weather Girl 4:15 PM

the inside funny is that in polite Southerese, "Bless your heart", as used here, translates into something along the lines of "you dumb bastard..." %-)

530 littleoldlady  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:09:04am

Temujin! :-)

Mel! :-)

531 JustMyView  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:11:48am

re: #527 Killian Bundy

That's not what I asked.

/do you think the markets are overreacting to the ever increasing possibility that socialist Obama will be the next U.S. President, your not going to deny he's a hard core socialist, right?

Yes, I am going to deny that he's a hard-core socialist, and, no, I don't think what's going on in the markets has much to do w/ the possibility of an Obama presidency. The subprime mortgage meltdown began long before it was clear that Obama would even be the nominee. Also, he's not going to be president of the world, and markets all over the globe are involved in this crisis.

532 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:12:07am

re: #529 redc1c4

the inside funny is that in polite Southerese, "Bless your heart", as used here, translates into something along the lines of "you dumb bastard..." %-)

Yep. It usually prefaces an insult.

533 Mel Lono  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:12:46am

re: #530 littleoldlady

Got me there. God bless Andy.

534 Temujin  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:13:19am

re: #528 Fenway_Nation

HAH! The average 0bama fanboy probably wasn't even alive when Iran-Contra hit the fan.

Unfortunately, that's also why so many people believe anything they read on the 'net - no historical context.

535 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:14:25am

re: #517 mich-again

Oh brother! Did you read it? The clincher:

"I didn't know whether (the group's activity) was legal or illegal, but I didn't think I wanted to be associated with them," McCain said in a newspaper interview in 1986.

As opposed to 0bama, who didn't know or seem to care, and continued to work with thugs and slum lords and crooks.

536 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:15:34am

re: #534 Temujin

I'm sure the MSM can make more time for a recap of the Iran Contra deal moreso than they can a brief history of Weather Underground (including the Where Are They Now? follow-up)

537 redc1c4  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:16:13am

re: #526 Cognito

It really doesn't matter how much bluster you add, I do know what I'm talking about. There are many, many factors at play. The model you think works so beautifully -- the online subscriptions at WSJ -- is being paid for by the print side.

Now, if Murdoch's gamble pays off, it could start pulling in a good deal of revenue in a few years. But there's some question whether it will survive that long. There are serious drawbacks to the model.

For instance, Google the term "stocks." The Wall Street Journal is at the top.

Right?

No?

Second listing?

Third?

No?

and "stocks" are the only reason anyone reads the WSJ..... and the online subscriptions don't pay for themselves......do you even know what the price is for the online versus the print edition? of course not, or you wouldn't be talking out your ass.

what color is the sky where you are?

538 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:17:15am

re: #537 redc1c4

Snappy comeback.

539 akak  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:17:41am

re: #506 Killian Bundy

Notice how the markets tank when socialist Obama spikes in the polls? There's good reason for the Fear.
blockquote>

Problem is your likely the only one that's ever mentioned it?

540 Temujin  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:19:28am

re: #536 Fenway_Nation

The MSM do run "in-depth" pieces occasionally, but their day-to-day coverage is usually as thin as tissue paper . . .

541 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:21:04am

re: #531 JustMyView

Yes, I am going to deny that he's a hard-core socialist, and, no, I don't think what's going on in the markets has much to do w/ the possibility of an Obama presidency. The subprime mortgage meltdown began long before it was clear that Obama would even be the nominee. Also, he's not going to be president of the world, and markets all over the globe are involved in this crisis.

I don't think what's going on in the markets

In other words, you have absolutely no idea because your bull[expletive deleted] expertise doesn't cover international markets.

Time for Bomb 20 time guess who's the bomb?

/choke on Obama socialism, and don't come back until you can refute any of it, please

542 redc1c4  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:23:52am

re: #538 Cognito

Snappy comeback.

since you are too lazy, stupid and arrogant to go find out for yourself, the online subscription is the same yearly price as the print edition, but without all the distribution costs, so it has a higher profit margin. it's high enough that for just $10 more, they'll give you the paper too.

you still wanna try to sell those wolf cookies that the print version supports the web one? i notice you had no response as to other reason people might want to read Wally, so we'll take it that you have no idea.

face it: on this subject, as with many others, you don't know anything about it. you just spew bullshit that you think sounds good, and then you spend the rest of your time deliberately misconstruing people's replies and ignoring inconvenient facts.

543 redc1c4  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:24:38am

re: #540 Temujin

The MSM do run "in-depth" pieces occasionally, but their day-to-day coverage is usually as thin as tissue paper . . .

and their knowledge on just about any subject is Power Point deep.

544 redc1c4  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:26:54am

well, i should have been in bed hours ago..... keep a lid on these 2 jamokes for me, would ya? bless their hearts..... %-)

hasta, y'all

L8r!

545 littleoldlady  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:27:54am

'Night, red. :-)

I'm still trying to coffee what they're arguing about...

546 Temujin  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:31:09am

re: #543 redc1c4

But red . . . they just sound so knowledgeable!

Plus, they have all those neat visuals to kick it up a notch!

///

547 little blessing  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:37:18am

Lots of Blessings going on in here tonight.

Wasn't sure if the legitimate one should make any appearances.

548 littleoldlady  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:38:55am
549 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:40:02am

WASHINGTON - A small asteroid was headed for a fiery but harmless dive into Earth's atmosphere early Tuesday morning over Africa, astronomers said in a first of its kind advance warning.

Harvard scientists announced late Monday afternoon that the asteroid 2008 TC3 would burn up in the sky, making a fireball potentially visible to people in northern Africa. Measuring between 3 feet and 15 feet in diameter, the rock was expected to enter Earth's atmosphere above Sudan at 10:46 p.m. EDT Monday, just before dawn in Africa.

SNIP

550 little blessing  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:41:07am

Littleoldlady! : )

Bless you too, sweetheart!

551 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:42:05am

re: #542 redc1c4

since you are too lazy, stupid and arrogant to go find out for yourself, the online subscription is the same yearly price as the print edition, but without all the distribution costs, so it has a higher profit margin. it's high enough that for just $10 more, they'll give you the paper too.

you still wanna try to sell those wolf cookies that the print version supports the web one? i notice you had no response as to other reason people might want to read Wally, so we'll take it that you have no idea.

face it: on this subject, as with many others, you don't know anything about it. you just spew bullshit that you think sounds good, and then you spend the rest of your time deliberately misconstruing people's replies and ignoring inconvenient facts.

Yeah. I make it up as a go, spewing and trying to fool everyone.

Although... there is one little thing. The print side pays for the digital side because its ads cost more, not the subscriptions.

For all that, the Wall Street Journal is -- at best -- marginally profitable. If at all. The parent company makes its money on electronic data distribution, not news.

Look: I'm a big champion of the Wall Street Journal. You need not go beyond this thread to see that. I've merely pointed out some drawbacks in the model -- drawbacks you apparently skimmed -- while cheerleading for the WSJ all day.

552 Ledger1  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:45:53am

re: #529 redc1c4

agreed.

553 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:46:52am

And redc1c4, you might want to think twice before throwing around terms like "lazy, stupid and arrogant," next time.

I don't call people those things. I don't because I know I could very well be wrong.

554 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:52:52am

re: #553 Cognito

Don't give yourself airs, Mr. "You're prone to get the vapors".

555 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:53:12am

If Obama would concede, the markets would rally 30% at least.

/but that's not the current reality

556 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:53:42am

Sharmuta, you're a treat. Honestly. It wouldn't be half as fun without you.

557 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:56:14am

re: #555 Killian Bundy

If Obama would concede, the markets would rally 30% at least.

/but that's not the current reality

I wonder. The markets seem to be running on emotion, these days. If Obama rides a tide of emotion in the White House -- hail the big new thing -- I wonder if the markets wouldn't ride with him.

That's a frightening thing to say out loud. Nothing in the markets seems connected to anything solid, any more.

558 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:57:15am

re: #556 Cognito

Here's the problem, cog. I have no idea how to take that comment.

559 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:58:30am

re: #558 Sharmuta

Here's the problem, cog. I have no idea how to take that comment.

Face value.

Although "Here's the problem, cog," did make me smile.

560 Spirit93  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:58:41am

re: #557 Cognito

I wonder. The markets seem to be running on emotion, these days. If Obama rides a tide of emotion in the White House -- hail the big new thing -- I wonder if the markets wouldn't ride with him.

That's a frightening thing to say out loud. Nothing in the markets seems connected to anything solid, any more.

You really are delusional.

561 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:59:31am

re: #560 Spirit93

You really are delusional.

When you say something like that, I believe it's customary to elucidate.

562 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:59:39am

re: #559 Cognito

Face value.

Although "Here's the problem, cog," did make me smile.

I guess I'll have to call my Senators.

563 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:02:34am

re: #557 Cognito

I wonder. The markets seem to be running on emotion, these days. If Obama rides a tide of emotion in the White House -- hail the big new thing -- I wonder if the markets wouldn't ride with him.

That's a frightening thing to say out loud. Nothing in the markets seems connected to anything solid, any more.

Where are you going with your economic pits?

/it's less popular in the Chicago and New York exchanges, markets are currently dismounted and taking cover in the ditch

564 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:03:04am

Dang it.

Apparently light does not through yonder window break. Apparently yon window simply breaks.

Things were going so well, for a moment there.

565 littleoldlady  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:03:09am

re: #557 Cognito

Does anybody actually listen to Obama?!

He's going to raise taxes on capital gains and add a stock transaction tax. Even if the markets were in good shape right now that would turn them to dreck!

566 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:05:02am

re: #564 Cognito

I'm sorry.

/are you a McCain voter?

567 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:05:04am

re: #565 littleoldlady

Does anybody actually listen to Obama?!

He's going to raise taxes on capital gains and add a stock transaction tax. Even if the markets were in good shape right now that would turn them to dreck!


Well. I can tell you right now, littleoldlady, that I need not worry about any capital gains.

568 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:06:00am

re: #566 Killian Bundy

I'm sorry.

/are you a McCain voter?

Eh? What's that got to do with the markets?

I've been posting that link all night. It started out all green. Not so, now.

569 Spirit93  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:06:09am

re: #561 Cognito

When you say something like that, I believe it's customary to elucidate.

de·lu·sion –noun
1. an act or instance of deluding.
2. the state of being deluded.
3. a false belief or opinion: delusions of grandeur.
4. Psychiatry. a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact

570 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:06:23am

re: #569 Spirit93

all right

571 littleoldlady  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:08:41am

re: #569 Spirit93

LOL!

re: #567 Cognito

Well. I can tell you right now, littleoldlady, that I need not worry about any capital gains.

None us have to. :-(

So you will be one of those taking advantage of Obama's "bottom up" economy?

/where are the frikken' economists, and why haven't they called him out on this incredibly stupid idea?!

572 akak  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:10:08am

re: #555 Killian Bundy

If Obama would concede, the markets would rally 30% at least.

/but that's not the current reality

If that were the case he wouldn't be running still.

I wish it was true though.

573 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:11:30am

re: #568 Cognito

Eh? What's that got to do with the markets?

Well, let's this try this again.

/they don't like socialism/Obama, it's massive and creepy, is that the government you want?

574 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:13:03am

I didn't know that BHO had written a blurb for Ayers' book in 1997.

575 Tigger2005  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:13:55am

re: #549 MandyManners

WASHINGTON - A small asteroid was headed for a fiery but harmless dive into Earth's atmosphere early Tuesday morning over Africa, astronomers said in a first of its kind advance warning.

SNIP

"Chewie, we've got an asteroid problem!"

"Aahhhrrnnnn uhhnnn ahhrr grr uhnnn graarrr?"
("May I suggest Preparation H?")

576 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:14:35am

re: #573 Killian Bundy

Well, let's this try this again.

/they don't like socialism/Obama, it's massive and creepy, is that the government you want?

I get all that. I'm just not sure what it's got to do with my ongoing link to world markets.

577 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:14:40am

re: #574 MandyManners

I didn't know that BHO had written a blurb for Ayers' book in 1997.

/shut the [expletive up]

578 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:15:51am

re: #574 MandyManners

I didn't know that BHO had written a blurb for Ayers' book in 1997.

0bama endorsed ayers. Ironic.

579 Ledger1  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:16:39am

Although it is posted elsewhere, here is some humor on the dishonesty of Gwen Ifill by Iowahawak:

As expected, a blue ribbon panel from the Ifill Center for Media Ethics cleared award-winning political journalist Gwen Ifill of all charges today…Ifill did not escape some criticism from the panel however, as she was warned several times by ranking member Olbermann that "your position of moderator is no excuse not to violently attack Palin..."

"As journalism professionals, we are counting on you to do the right thing," said Olbermann, presenting her with the Center's "Dan 'Mr. October' Rather Journalist of the Year" commemorative baseball bat.

"You can depend on me," said Ifill, calmly pounding spikes into the engraved Louisville Slugger. "I promise to conduct myself in the highest traditions of Gwen Ifill."

See: Ifill Ethics Commission Clears Ifill

580 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:17:51am

re: #577 Killian Bundy

/shut the [expletive up]

It's the first new thing I've learned about BHO/Ayers from the MSM.

581 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:18:43am

re: #576 Cognito

I get all that. I'm just not sure what it's got to do with my ongoing link to world markets.

McCain -- capitalism (world markets)

Obama -- socialism (prospect tanking world markets)

/feel free to understand and dispute it

582 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:19:40am

re: #578 Sharmuta

0bama endorsed ayers. Ironic.

M.A.S..

583 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:20:59am

JMV posted some nonsense above about BHO not running for president of the world. I wonder if she realizes that as the American market goes, so go the rest of the world's markets.

584 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:21:02am

Good morning, Lizards.

585 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:21:20am

re: #581 Killian Bundy

McCain -- capitalism (world markets)

Obama -- socialism (prospect tanking world markets)

/feel free to understand and dispute it

Let me back up.

What I'm saying is that I linked -- as I've done several times now -- the blood-red market indices.

You responded, "I'm sorry. /are you a McCain voter?"

It's that response that I don't quite get: Why are you sorry?

586 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:21:28am

re: #416 Sharmuta

I have no idea why newspapers are needed. We have the Senate to investigate for us and we should get our money's worth.

Bailout!

/hey, I'm surprised it hasn't been suggested by the ink-stained wretches

587 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:23:51am

re: #583 MandyManners

I wonder if JMV is going to read the Republican platform.

588 Tigger2005  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:25:04am

I hope we get a thread on McCain's ripping of Obama today.

589 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:25:32am

Yesterday there were questionable reports that somebody was shouting to Kill Obama at a Palin rally. Now this....
Shouts of "Kill Him" at McCain rally.

It's hard to tell, the guy could be yelling anything. . If this is true then the Republicans deserve to lose.

590 TheMatrix31  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:25:55am

What would make ANYONE feel comfortable about asking Barack Obama for advice on the toughest decision in their life? I wouldn't feel comfortable asking him what to order at Chili's.

591 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:26:07am

LOS ANGELES - The only hints of trouble in the big beige house on Como Lane were the newspapers in the driveway and the lack of any activity behind the front door.

But when police summoned by worried friends of the residents got inside Monday, they found a horror — six members of a family fatally shot in a murder-suicide committed by an unemployed man in financial crisis.

The body of 45-year-old Karthik Rajaram, a gun clutched in one hand, was found by officers who followed a trail of carnage through the home in a gated community in the Porter Ranch area of the San Fernando Valley.

His victims, most slain in their beds, were his wife, three sons and his mother-in-law.

SNIP

Officers found the mother-in-law, Indra Ramasesham, 69, dead in bed on the first floor. Upstairs, they found a 19-year-old son, Krishna Rajaram, dead in bed in the master bedroom.

The gunman's 39-year-old wife, Subasri, was found in another room, also apparently shot while sleeping, Moore said.

In an adjoining room, a 12-year-old son, Ganesha, was dead on the floor, and his 7-year-old brother, Arjuna, was dead in bed. Their father's body also was found there with a handgun "in his grasp," Moore said. The gun was purchased Sept. 16.

Coroner's assistant chief Ed Winter said the victims were shot multiple times.

SNIP

592 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:26:29am

re: #584 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, gotc!

593 Tigger2005  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:26:41am

re: #589 Killgore Trout

Yesterday there were questionable reports that somebody was shouting to Kill Obama at a Palin rally. Now this....
Shouts of "Kill Him" at McCain rally.

It's hard to tell, the guy could be yelling anything. . If this is true then the Republicans deserve to lose.

Huh? They deserve to lose because of a couple of wackjobs?

594 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:27:14am

re: #589 Killgore Trout

Yesterday there were questionable reports that somebody was shouting to Kill Obama at a Palin rally. Now this....
Shouts of "Kill Him" at McCain rally.

It's hard to tell, the guy could be yelling anything. . If this is true then the Republicans deserve to lose.

Because if it is true, it couldn't possibly be a moby?

595 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:27:28am

re: #587 Sharmuta

I wonder if JMV is going to read the Republican platform.

Does it have pictures?

596 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:28:25am

re: #589 Killgore Trout

Yesterday there were questionable reports that somebody was shouting to Kill Obama at a Palin rally. Now this....
Shouts of "Kill Him" at McCain rally.

It's hard to tell, the guy could be yelling anything. . If this is true then the Republicans deserve to lose.

WTF?

597 TheMatrix31  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:28:27am

So what if that's what he said? Couldn't it mean "kill him" as in pick him apart point-by-point?

598 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:28:45am

re: #593 Tigger2005

Yes, when that kind of crazy is on public display it's a very bad sign. The "right" may soon outcrazy the "left" again.

599 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:29:06am

re: #589 Killgore Trout

Yesterday there were questionable reports that somebody was shouting to Kill Obama at a Palin rally. Now this....
Shouts of "Kill Him" at McCain rally.

It's hard to tell, the guy could be yelling anything. . If this is true then the Republicans deserve to lose.

I couldn't really make it out, honestly. Just "blah blah." (Of course if you'll hear whatever you expect when you play the ol' rock-and-roll record backward, so it's hard to say.)

I will say, though, that McCain's reaction seems to indicate... something.

600 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:29:21am

re: #594 Sharmuta

it couldn't possibly be a moby?

I think that's very unlikely.

601 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:29:42am

Because 0bama would never think terrible, mean things of McCain, right?

I bet there has never once been an 0bama supporter who wanted to hurt John or Sarah.

Give me a break.

602 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:30:08am

re: #599 Cognito

I couldn't really make it out, honestly. Just "blah blah." (Of course if you'll hear whatever you expect when you play the ol' rock-and-roll record backward, so it's hard to say.)

I will say, though, that McCain's reaction seems to indicate... something.


It's tough to tell what's going on in that clip.

603 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:30:37am

re: #585 Cognito

Let me back up.

What I'm saying is that I linked -- as I've done several times now -- the blood-red market indices.

You responded, "I'm sorry. /are you a McCain voter?"blockquote>

Timing is everything, nothing's domestically "blood- red, maybe this is your blood in the market.

Again. at this minute, there is only green in U.S. futures markets.

/are you an Obama voter?

604 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:30:58am

re: #600 Killgore Trout

0bama supporters have never said anything evil about McCain or Palin? Perhaps they deserve to lose for all the shit they've spouted, not least of which is the crap 0bama spouts.

605 Spirit93  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:31:15am

re: #589 Killgore Trout

Who are you and what have you done with KT?

606 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:32:03am

re: #604 Sharmuta

Just because the LLL is crazy doesn't excuse it.

607 Tigger2005  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:32:36am

re: #594 Sharmuta

Because if it is true, it couldn't possibly be a moby?

It doesn't even matter if it's a Moby or not. What the hell? Concede the election because of a lone nutjob? Even if that's what the guy was yelling, how do we know he didn't mean "kill him" in the sense of going on the attack and beating him in the elections? I like to encourage McCain to "rip Obama apart," but I don't mean it literally.

608 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:32:36am

re: #592 MandyManners

Good morning, gotc!

{Mandy Manners}

My mom is a natural, congenital worrier--the kind who would worry that she didn't have anything to worry about would worry about that.

She is so worried about this election. She doesn't have a computer, so she only sees TV, and she is so aware of the bias.

I keep telling her not to borrow trouble and to pray that all will be well.

Let's face it, if by sme miracle and counter to all evidence Obama was destined to be a great president who enhanced our way of life, would any of us really complain? Of course, the point is that given the available evidence of limited achievement, associates, and decisions he's made, there's no reason to hope for that,

609 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:33:04am

re: #598 Killgore Trout

Yes, when that kind of crazy is on public display it's a very bad sign. The "right" may soon outcrazy the "left" again.

One nutter means that the entire right is as crazy as those chronicled by zombie, ringo, urban infidel, et al.?

610 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:33:58am

re: #603 Killian Bundy

Well cool -- I'm all for green. But I know that when it's red all around the world, and things have sucked hard here for several days in a row, I'd rather seen green everywhere.

611 Luigi  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:34:35am

The media has blacked-out the very important endorsement of Palin by the president of the LA Chapter of NOW. Even The Los Angeles Times has relegated it to their so-called LABlogs section which perhaps is not even in their print edition. Certainly, it is an inside feature.

[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]

An important story right in their own backyard and The Los Angeles Times deep-sixes it for politcally correct reasons. No respect for the truth. No respect for their profession of journalism. No respect for the sacrifice the troops are making for their constitutional right of freedom of the press.

Have a nice day.

612 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:37:13am

re: #611 Luigi

Actually I saw that on television this evening. And for what it's worth, it's not quite what you're saying -- there was no endorsement. It's not as though the LA chapter of NOW has endorsed Palin. The other gal simply introduced her.

A big step, of course, but not what you seem to be saying.

613 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:39:48am

re: #609 MandyManners

Once again, the stuff exposed in zombietime reports doesn't excuse shouting "kill Obama" at McCain rallies. There are reports that someone was shouting that a a palin rally too. If it becomes a trend it would be very very bad regardless of what the left does.

614 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:40:29am

re: #608 goddessoftheclassroom

{Mandy Manners}

My mom is a natural, congenital worrier--the kind who would worry that she didn't have anything to worry about would worry about that.

She is so worried about this election. She doesn't have a computer, so she only sees TV, and she is so aware of the bias.

I keep telling her not to borrow trouble and to pray that all will be well.

Let's face it, if by sme miracle and counter to all evidence Obama was destined to be a great president who enhanced our way of life, would any of us really complain? Of course, the point is that given the available evidence of limited achievement, associates, and decisions he's made, there's no reason to hope for that,

I've never seen my mother as vehement about a politician as she is about BHO. Even Bill Clinton didn't upset her this much.

615 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:40:53am

re: #610 Cognito

Well cool -- I'm all for green. But I know that when it's red all around the world, and things have sucked hard here for several days in a row, I'd rather seen green everywhere.

So, what's your point?

/we should be/succumb to be red?

616 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:41:11am

re: #609 MandyManners

Addendum.
Charles doesn't tolerate that stuff here and McCain doesn't want it at his rallies. It's bad for business.

617 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:41:27am

re: #613 Killgore Trout

Once again, the stuff exposed in zombietime reports doesn't excuse shouting "kill Obama" at McCain rallies. There are reports that someone was shouting that a a palin rally too. If it becomes a trend it would be very very bad regardless of what the left does.

Blame the entire party for this?

618 Tigger2005  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:41:46am

I still hate it that John Glenn stumped for Obama ... I think the old guy must be senile ... I can't imagine a former Marine pilot endorsing that scum if he had his wits about him. How could he do it if he had any idea what Obama really stands for? But then, John Murtha is ex-Marine too. Sad.

619 Scion9  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:42:08am

re: #488 Cognito


Because if that were true the biggest political blogs in the world would run counter to those papers -- and they don't. They're leftist, too.

You also have to take into account the nature of the internet as well. It isn't exactly an accurate cross-sectioning of American society.

It's disproportionately used by the young and metropolitan. These people are going to heavily slant either Leftist or Libertarian. It also is populated by people from all over the civilized world, which a lot of the European technocrati are even more Leftist than their American counterparts.

Take a look at the nature of those political blogs too. Kos, HuffPo, DU etc, aren't just Left of Center. They are Far Left. Their viewpoints are not (openly) represented by the MSM.

The bias in the mainstream media now isn't strictly Leftist, but it is absolutely in bed with the Democrat Party. The views of the Democrat Party, being a coalition, aren't strictly those of Kos et al. They are the base, but do not represent the views of the majority of the Dem electorate.

Democrat Pols pander to the majority of their electorate in public, and not the Koskidz specifically, and the MSM covers for, and abets the Dems, not Leftists specifically.

Fact of the matter is, that compared to 'real' Conservative Blogs, LGF is fairly moderate. There are quite a few blogs that are slightly right of center, or lower case "L" libertarian. Those views are largely unrepresented anywhere else. Even the barely Conservative RINOs, libertarians, et al are hard pressed to find a journalist or media outlet that represents them.

Those high traffic Leftist Blogs are comparable to the Hard-Right in terms of the radical nature of their views. They are analgous to the Buchananites, Birchers, Dominionists, Stormfronters, etc for their end of the spectrum. Where the hell are the Center-Left, or Soft Left blogs? Where are the working class Democrats on the internet?

Predominantly unrepresented because its covered on TV, and in the papers. No need for an 'alternative media' outlet for those folks.

The most popular blogs on the internet don't 'slant' Left. They are blogs for dissidents and radicals. Huge difference.

620 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:42:26am

re: #613 Killgore Trout

Once again, the stuff exposed in zombietime reports doesn't excuse shouting "kill Obama" at McCain rallies. There are reports that someone was shouting that a a palin rally too. If it becomes a trend it would be very very bad regardless of what the left does.

Wait a minute. At a Palin rally, in a different location? That's too much.

If it becomes a "trend," I'll suspect dirty tricks. An idiot shouting "kill him" is a loner who managed to find his way to the front row. A host of people shouting "kill him" is a coordinated effort.

621 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:42:30am

"Iran-Contra", huh?

I thought it was a neat idea.
--Oliver North

622 seekeroftruth  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:42:30am

re: #612 Cognito

I thought the women who is the head of the LA Now endorsed Palin last night on Greta's show.

623 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:42:47am

re: #616 Killgore Trout

Addendum.
Charles doesn't tolerate that stuff here and McCain doesn't want it at his rallies. It's bad for business.

If it happens at a rally and Palin or McCain can hear it, it needs to be addressed and put down. I bet Palin could deliver a helluva' lecture to the offender.

624 Tigger2005  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:43:28am

re: #617 MandyManners

Blame the entire party for this?

I guess so. If every single person supporting McCain is not as pure as the driven snow and as sinless as Christ we deserve to lose.

625 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:43:48am

re: #615 Killian Bundy

So, what's your point?

/we should be/succumb to be red?

How are we misunderstanding each other so badly, man?

No. I'm saying the red is awful. I want to see things clicking along in happy fashion. I want to see my tiny bit of stock recover, and I want to keep my job.

Make sense?

626 laZardo  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:45:25am

re: #613 Killgore Trout

Once again, the stuff exposed in zombietime reports doesn't excuse shouting "kill Obama" at McCain rallies. There are reports that someone was shouting that a a palin rally too. If it becomes a trend it would be very very bad regardless of what the left does.

Mobying?

/g'devening, what'd I miss?

627 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:45:47am

re: #622 seekeroftruth

I thought the women who is the head of the LA Now endorsed Palin last night on Greta's show.

I don't believe so.

628 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:46:02am

Obama victory good for the economy?

...once Obama wins, the MSM will no longer have an interest in shoving negative stories down our throats. And on the day he takes office, they'll have an interest in playing up how well things are now going.
...

What drives value, stock prices, inflation, employment and everything else that comprises our economy is PERCEPTION.

When businesses think good news is on the horizon, they open up and start hiring and spending. When individuals think good news lies ahead, they open up their wallets and spend.
.....
And once Obama wins? Well, the MSM no longer has a need to push the negative economic story line. While they don't want the economy to recover before Obama takes office (it was embarrassing that the 1992 recession that the MSM hyped in order to help Clinton win was over before Clinton took office), Obama winning will remove much of the incentive to keep pushing the bad news.

And with Americans generally being an optimistic bunch of folks, the absence of bad news, even if there is no corresponding increase in 'good' news, will start to lift spirits and lay the groundwork for a economic revival.


Interesting.

629 Tigger2005  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:46:24am

re: #625 Cognito

How are we misunderstanding each other so badly, man?

No. I'm saying the red is awful. I want to see things clicking along in happy fashion. I want to see my tiny bit of stock recover, and I want to keep my job.

Make sense?

I hope you keep your job, but as far as things clicking along in a happy fashion, I don't think we can expect that for a long time. A VERY long time, if we don't kick the children out of office and vote in some adults.

630 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:47:50am

re: #606 Killgore Trout

Just because the LLL is crazy doesn't excuse it.

I'm not excusing it, Killgore. But by your logic, McCain deserves to win because of the nasty things the left has said about Sarah and her family.

631 laZardo  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:47:57am

re: #628 Killgore Trout

There was an article on CNN suggesting that Obama may be bad for gay marriage, focusing on Prop 8 in California.

What happens is that Obama's campaign has brought out more African-American voters - particularly evangelicals - who have more conservative family stances, and that means they can tip the balance toward gay marriage bans.

/weird how things work out...

632 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:48:23am

re: #620 Cognito

If it becomes a "trend," I'll suspect dirty tricks. An idiot shouting "kill him" is a loner who managed to find his way to the front row. A host of people shouting "kill him" is a coordinated effort.

Just have someone nearby to shout, "Yeah, give'em hell!"

633 littleoldlady  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:49:14am

re: #628 Killgore Trout

Repeating myself...[sheesh]

Does anybody actually listen to Obama?!

He's going to raise taxes on capital gains and add a stock transaction tax. Even if the markets were in good shape right now that would turn them to dreck!

You can't take "spin" to the bank, Killgore...

634 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:49:16am

re: #620 Cognito

Wait a minute. At a Palin rally, in a different location? That's too much.

I saw this report yesterdat and thought it must be bogus but now I'm starting to wonder....
Unleashed, Palin Makes a Pit Bull Look Tame
The reception had been better in Clearwater, where Palin, speaking to a sea of "Palin Power" and "Sarahcuda" T-shirts, tried to link Obama to the 1960s Weather Underground. "One of his earliest supporters is a man named Bill Ayers," she said. ("Boooo!" said the crowd.) "And, according to the New York Times, he was a domestic terrorist and part of a group that, quote, 'launched a campaign of bombings that would target the Pentagon and our U.S. Capitol,' " she continued. ("Boooo!" the crowd repeated.)

"Kill him!" proposed one man in the audience.

635 tappin52  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:50:05am

re: #624 Tigger2005

I guess so. If every single person supporting McCain is not as pure as the driven snow and as sinless as Christ we deserve to lose.

I hope that you forgot a sarc/ tag. If not, you're ridiculous.

636 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:50:16am

re: #633 littleoldlady

Yeah, I think he'll run the economy into the ground.

637 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:50:59am

re: #634 Killgore Trout

Man, that's weird. Something's up.

638 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:51:49am

re: #622 seekeroftruth

I thought the women who is the head of the LA Now endorsed Palin last night on Greta's show.

Is a spirited introduction an endorsement?

Laura Ingram (sp?) on Greta's show.

639 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:51:52am

"I just tell the truth on 'em, and they think it's hell."
--Harry S Truman

640 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:51:55am

re: #630 Sharmuta

What I'm saying is that "normal" people are not going to show up to rallies where someone is shouting "kill Obama". "Normal people are not going to vote for candidates who hold such rallies. It's bad for business.

641 laZardo  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:52:17am

re: #612 Cognito

Actually I saw that on television this evening. And for what it's worth, it's not quite what you're saying -- there was no endorsement. It's not as though the LA chapter of NOW has endorsed Palin. The other gal simply introduced her.

A big step, of course, but not what you seem to be saying.

NOW endorsing Palin? That seems a stretch given what comes up when one searches their site for her...

642 Tigger2005  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:52:18am

re: #628 Killgore Trout

Obama victory good for the economy?


Interesting.

Uh, it seems like it was "perception" that led to our current crisis. People had the "perception" that things would be great forever, that they could borrow and borrow and borrow and there would be plenty of time to pay everything off, because they'd be making more money, and their homes would be forever increasing in value. And that we could afford huge amounts of government spending because the economy would forever be expanding, thereby increasing tax revenues.

This is desperation talking. The desire for Obama to be a magic fix. But Obama won't fix the fundamental problems. Even if he ushered in a brief period of seeming "recovery," it would quickly fail because we'd make exactly the same mistakes as before, and squander it.

643 Tigger2005  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:53:29am

re: #635 tappin52

I hope that you forgot a sarc/ tag. If not, you're ridiculous.

Of course I was being sarcastic. I was responding to Killgore. Try reading the entire thread.

644 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:54:00am

re: #634 Killgore Trout

That's nice- look what that reporter called Sarah:

Sen. Lindsey Graham, a McCain confidant, told The Post's David Broder that the campaign would "go down in history as stupid if they don't unleash" Palin. Well, the self-identified pit bull has been unleashed -- if not unhinged.

What an asshole!

And I'm sorry, but I think these are mobys. I find it a little too coincidental that there arte two in one day, and I would hope that if these stories are true, the Secret Service took action since they'd obviously be there.

645 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:54:35am

re: #638 MandyManners

Is a spirited introduction an endorsement?

Laura Ingram (sp?) on Greta's show.

Nah. Van Sustren actually made pains later to clarify that it wasn't an endorsement.

I suppose an endorsement would indicate the support of the woman's office, which she couldn't offer. She was wingin' it.

646 seekeroftruth  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:54:44am

re: #627 Cognito

I don't believe so.

Wrong . This is what is on Greta's Fox page: Supporting Palin N.O.W.
Laura Ingraham weighs in on L.A. N.O.W. president's endorsement of Gov. Palin

647 laZardo  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:55:27am

Speaking of financial crises, I noticed a post on the political forum on my art site re-invoking the Keating scandal that McCain was involved with back during the Savings and Loan fiasco.

How deep did that turn out?

648 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:55:38am

sre: #640 Killgore Trout

What I'm saying is that "normal" people are not going to show up to rallies where someone is shouting "kill Obama". "Normal people are not going to vote for candidates who hold such rallies. It's bad for business.

Seems like from the reporting, if anything, the guy was referring to Ayres.

649 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:55:48am

re: #640 Killgore Trout

I'm not disagreeing with you on that, but you come in here and say America deserves an 0bama presidency because of a whack job. If I apply that standard to the left, then we'd deserve a McCain presidency.

And for Pete's sake- I think they're mobys trying to make our business look bad.

650 tappin52  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:55:59am

re: #643 Tigger2005

Of course I was being sarcastic. I was responding to Killgore. Try reading the entire thread.

I've been reading the thread. Last night into this morning seems a bit testy.

651 laZardo  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:56:25am

re: #646 seekeroftruth

If the LA Chapter of NOW endorses Palin, that'd put her at odds with the rest of the organization. See my #641.

652 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:56:57am

re: #648 Dar ul Harb

s

Seems like from the reporting, if anything, the guy was referring to Ayres.

That's quite possible. Regardless- the USSS was there and should have done something, and perhaps did.

653 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:58:02am

re: #638 MandyManners

Is a spirited introduction an endorsement?

Laura Ingram (sp?) on Greta's show.

I just saw on Fox that she actually said, "I am here today to support Sarah Palin." Sounds like an endorsement to me.

654 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:58:03am

re: #646 seekeroftruth

Wrong . This is what is on Greta's Fox page: Supporting Palin N.O.W.
Laura Ingraham weighs in on L.A. N.O.W. president's endorsement of Gov. Palin

What am I meant to be looking at, on that page?

Bear in mind what I'm saying: Yes, the NOW lady introduced Palin at a rally, which is great, but no, there's been no endorsement from NOW.

I'd love to be wrong, though, so please do show me something that says otherwise.

655 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:58:31am

re: #644 Sharmuta

I find it a little too coincidental that there arte two in one day

I think Palin's speech was last week.

656 littleoldlady  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:58:43am

Crap. What a lousy horrorscope:

Consider making a slight change to the way you go about your daily routine. One little habit may be costing you an immense amount of time. This is a great day to resolve to break that habit for good.

I just hope they're not talking about LGF!

Good day, ALL!™

657 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:59:20am

re: #640 Killgore Trout

What I'm saying is that "normal" people are not going to show up to rallies where someone is shouting "kill Obama". "Normal people are not going to vote for candidates who hold such rallies. It's bad for business.

One nutter does not a rally make.

658 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:59:22am

Bye for now! Have a great day.

659 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:59:41am

re: #647 laZardo

He was reprimanded for "poor judgment" but cleared of criminal charges.

660 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:59:46am

re: #652 Sharmuta

That's quite possible. Regardless- the USSS was there and should have done something, and perhaps did.

I certainly hope so. A few hours of questioning by the Secret Service and m0bys wouldn't find this project quite so fun after all.

661 yesandno  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:00:02am

The mighty oak from little acorns grows:

[Link: justsaynodeal.com...]

662 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:00:04am

re: #645 Cognito

Nah. Van Sustren actually made pains later to clarify that it wasn't an endorsement.

I suppose an endorsement would indicate the support of the woman's office, which she couldn't offer. She was wingin' it.

See my No. 653.

663 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:00:07am

re: #655 Killgore Trout

Date on the article says yesterday.

664 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:00:20am

re: #660 Dar ul Harb

I certainly hope so. A few hours of questioning by the Secret Service and m0bys wouldn't find this project quite so fun after all.

Indeed.

665 tappin52  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:00:58am

re: #656 littleoldlady

Maybe they're referring to the fruitcup. Stir up the recipe a little.

666 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:01:34am

re: #653 MandyManners

I just saw on Fox that she actually said, "I am here today to support Sarah Palin." Sounds like an endorsement to me.

Well, she didn't say she was there to support Palin for VP.

667 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:01:36am

re: #662 MandyManners

See my No. 653.

I did. But apparently there is a distinction; Van Susteren went on about it later, to correct that there had been no endorsement.

668 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:01:59am

re: #664 Sharmuta

Don't tase me, bro!

669 Tigger2005  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:02:16am

re: #640 Killgore Trout

What I'm saying is that "normal" people are not going to show up to rallies where someone is shouting "kill Obama". "Normal people are not going to vote for candidates who hold such rallies. It's bad for business.

99% of the people at the rally probably didn't even hear the lone nutter, or Moby, or whatever he was. He might not even have meant "kill him" in the literal sense, he could have just urging Palin to "kill him" figuratively by hammering on Obama's connection to Ayers.

You're making a mountain out of molehill. You're making it sound like Palin was holding some kind of Nuremburg rally.

670 laZardo  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:02:47am

re: #658 goddessoftheclassroom

Cheers, goddess.

671 laZardo  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:04:06am

re: #653 MandyManners

It might be a personal endorsement. I posted a link to NOW's website in #641 dating from late August explaining the overall organization's stance toward Palin.

672 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:04:15am

re: #669 Tigger2005

99% of the people at the rally probably didn't even hear the lone nutter, or Moby, or whatever he was. He might not even have meant "kill him" in the literal sense, he could have just urging Palin to "kill him" figuratively by hammering on Obama's connection to Ayers.

You're making a mountain out of molehill. You're making it sound like Palin was holding some kind of Nuremburg rally.

To top it off, we have leftists possibly blowing nothing out of proportion.

Seriously, KT- if they make that sort of comment about a presidential candidate in the presence of the USSS- there will be action taken.

673 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:06:36am

re: #671 laZardo

It might be a personal endorsement. I posted a link to NOW's website in #641 dating from late August explaining the overall organization's stance toward Palin.

NOW is not concerned about the issues that matter to real women. They're interested in promoting a socialist agenda. To think I once was a member....

674 seekeroftruth  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:06:43am

re: #638 MandyManners
I thought Greta introduced it as a "surprising endorsement of Palin". I was under the impression that this was a personal endorsement, not an official LA chapter announcement.

675 Tigger2005  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:07:12am

re: #650 tappin52

I've been reading the thread. Last night into this morning seems a bit testy.

I wasn't testy last night, myself, I don't think. I was happy that the Dow closed back over 10,000 and that both McCain and Palin finally went on the attack big time. But I understand if people are on edge. Still, come on, Lizards! Our candidates are fighting and we're obsessing over some idiot at a rally? Lets quit sweating the details, let's look at the big picture, and let's get John McCain & Sarah Palin in the White House!

676 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:08:19am

re: #674 seekeroftruth

I thought Greta introduced it as a "surprising endorsement of Palin". I was under the impression that this was a personal endorsement, not an official LA chapter announcement.

Support of Palin or support of Palin as a candidate for VP? Big difference.

I wonder if the shit she'll catch for even being there might lead her to some deep thinking.

677 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:08:49am

re: #557 Cognito

I wonder. The markets seem to be running on emotion, these days. If Obama rides a tide of emotion in the White House -- hail the big new thing -- I wonder if the markets wouldn't ride with him.

The markets have always run on anticipation & expectations as the old saw goes, 'buy on the rumor, sell on the news.'

If you want to take the time and do a little work, go back to November & December 2000 and look-up the various statements & press releases of aGore during that period of time he was contesting the election. What you'll see is that on news or rumor that Gore was to concede, the market would rally; the opposite would occur on his decisions to contest. It was during one of these periods before the case went to the Supreme Court that word had it Gore was going to concede when he again decided to contest that the market broke through key-support areas of both the DJI & Compx - the same ones we tested(and might just have broke) yesterday and probably today. The rest, as they say, is history - culminating with the drop after 911 into the low 7k's for the DJI and 1100-1000 for the Compx.

Today's problems are worse, not only do we have a flood of money exiting the markets in anticipation of an Obama win, we've also a very real financial crisis whose root cause can be directly credited to Obama's party and a very real War on top of that - to boot. A War, the Obama party denies.

678 laZardo  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:08:51am

Brb. Dinner. Om nom nom.

679 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:08:59am

re: #675 Tigger2005

I put a link in the spinoffs for a PAC in Michigan trying to raise funds for ads to win the state for McCain/Palin.

Everyone should check them out.

680 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:09:44am

Who is Jim Kramer to be spreading panic and fear?

681 seekeroftruth  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:12:20am

re: #676 MandyManners

Support of Palin or support of Palin as a candidate for VP? Big difference.

I wonder if the shit she'll catch for even being there might lead her to some deep thinking.

I'm reading it as endorsing Palin for VP, not endorsing Palin as a women. It look like she was breaking rank from NOW, like a lot of women are from the Democrat party, to endorse Palin.

682 Spirit93  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:13:36am

re: #654 Cognito

What am I meant to be looking at, on that page?

Bear in mind what I'm saying: Yes, the NOW lady introduced Palin at a rally, which is great, but no, there's been no endorsement from NOW.

I'd love to be wrong, though, so please do show me something that says otherwise.

You either have a reading comprehension problem or you are full of crap, probably the latter.

Luigi never said NOW endorsed her, he said the president of the LA Chapter of NOW endorsed her. You then decided to rephrase it as "introduced her" as if she was some sort of paid MC and the fact that she was there had no political implication.

683 jcw46  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:13:49am

re: #438 Killian Bundy

Let's keep in mind, the "horse race" we're watching is not "live". The positions of the competitors are being "reported" to us by many having a vested emotional, financial or political interest in a specific outcome. These same "reporters" have NO checks on them to "report" the truth.
To hazard a wager on such "reporting" would be foolish and expensive.
The only "reports" that might be true are the ones paid for by the competitors as they will endeavor to hire the most accurate "reporters" so that they have a true picture of the state of the race.
We all know the Daily Kos Media is distorting and hiding the true state of the competitors and their position in the race. Why do we then believe that other "reporters" are doing so accurately and become concerned that our competitor is behind.

On November 4th remind those who are like minded to Vote. Make sure to Vote.

The ONLY true poll and determination of the winner.

684 HD Woman  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:13:54am

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]
LA NOW Prez on Palin: 'America, This is What a Feminist Looks Like'

685 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:14:49am

re: #680 MandyManners

He's supposedly a really smart guy but I can't stand him. It seems to me that the time to get out of the market was last month. If you're still in now you have to stay in.

686 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:15:13am

re: #681 seekeroftruth

I'm reading it as endorsing Palin for VP, not endorsing Palin as a women. It look like she was breaking rank from NOW, like a lot of women are from the Democrat party, to endorse Palin.

She did not say she was supporting Palin for VP.

687 Scion9  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:16:06am

re: #659 Killgore Trout

He was reprimanded for "poor judgment" but cleared of criminal charges.

Unfortunately he didn't learn his lesson. He still shows poor judgement today by hanging out with Democrats. Which is essentially what got him in rebuked in the first place.

688 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:16:30am

re: #682 Spirit93

You either have a reading comprehension problem or you are full of crap, probably the latter.

Luigi never said NOW endorsed her, he said the president of the LA Chapter of NOW endorsed her. You then decided to rephrase it as "introduced her" as if she was some sort of paid MC and the fact that she was there had no political implication.

It never fails to amaze me when people can't disagree without flinging personal insults. Why did you do that? This isn't a personal issue.

I merely said that there apparently hadn't been an endorsement, which is distinct in some way because Van Susteren had gone some lengths to say so later on her show. I said "introduced" because that's the distinction Van Susteren made. Not me.

689 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:16:40am

re: #685 Killgore Trout

He's supposedly a really smart guy but I can't stand him. It seems to me that the time to get out of the market was last month. If you're still in now you have to stay in.

Well, he's with NBC so he has an interest in fucking up the economy in order to help NBC's candidate win.

690 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:16:56am

re: #687 Scion9

Agreed.

691 jcw46  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:17:41am

re: #673 MandyManners

NOW is not concerned about the issues that matter to real women. They're interested in promoting a socialist agenda. To think I once was a member....

That's OK, I voted for McGovern. Gawd I was so naive. (and so young)

692 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:18:45am

re: #689 MandyManners

I was just reading up on that one...
Jim Cramer: Time to get out of the stock market

Still, those with the assets — and the stomach — to ride out the stock market’s ups and down over a five-year period might be best served by holding their nose and holding onto their stocks.

“I think what you have to do, if you can withstand it, is just ride it out,” Cramer said.

He's kind of a tightly wound guy and the press in loving the reports of economic trouble. There's some nuance there.

693 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:19:13am

Somebody broke into my car and stole my GPS last night.

Somebody saw that I had something that they wanted, so they just took it. Sound like an Obama supporter to anyone here?

694 HD Woman  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:19:16am

re: #686 MandyManners

Mandell said she is "proud to support Sarah Palin, a woman who will fight for women's rights ... a woman who will, Lord knows, shake things up."

"Make no mistake," Mandell said. "I'm a life-long Democrat ... I don't agree with Gov. Palin on several issues." And yet, she said, "I know Sarah Palin cares about women’s rights, she cares about equality, she cares about equal pay, and as Vice President she will fight for it. She cares about our children and she cares about women's lives. She's an athlete and she knows what Title Nine did for girls like her."

"It is an honor to call her sister," Mandell said as she handed the microphone over to Palin

I read that as she supports Govenor Palin for VP.

695 seekeroftruth  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:19:20am

re: #654 Cognito

Here are two links all saying "NOW LA Chief Endorses Palin"

[Link: www.breitbart.tv...]
[Link: gretawire.foxnews.com...]

696 Pullus Iulius  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:20:07am

Mencken may have reserved his clearest thinking for his epitaph:
"If, after I depart this vale, you ever remember me and have thought to please my ghost, forgive some sinner, and wink your eye at some homely girl."

697 Spirit93  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:20:18am

re: #688 Cognito

Your a dissembling liar.

698 FrogMarch  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:20:41am

Obama and his Marxist school pals.

Calling Bill Ayers a school reformer is a bit like calling Joseph Stalin an agricultural reformer. . . For instance, at a November 2006 education forum in Caracas, Venezuela, with President Hugo Chávez at his side, Ayers proclaimed his support for “the profound educational reforms under way here in Venezuela under the leadership of President Chávez. We share the belief that education is the motor-force of revolution. . . . I look forward to seeing how you continue to overcome the failings of capitalist education as you seek to create something truly new and deeply humane.” Ayers concluded his speech by declaring that “Venezuela is poised to offer the world a new model of education—a humanizing and revolutionary model whose twin missions are enlightenment and liberation,” and then, as in days of old, raised his fist and chanted: “Viva Presidente Chávez! Viva la Revolucion Bolivariana! Hasta la Victoria Siempre!”

. . .

Ayers’s school reform agenda focuses almost exclusively on the idea of teaching for “social justice” in the classroom. This has nothing to do with the social-justice ideals of the Sermon on the Mount or Martin Luther King’s “I Have a Dream” speech. Rather, Ayers and his education school comrades are explicit about the need to indoctrinate public school children with the belief that America is a racist, militarist country and that the capitalist system is inherently unfair and oppressive.

699 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:21:11am

Amber Alert, Michigan

Description: AMBER ALERT - Alert number 20081003001 - Alert Status : Active

Child Name: Hussain, Tangena NMN
Missing Date Reported: 10032008 Date of Birth: 04102006
Age When Reported Missing: 2 Sex: Female
Race: American Indian or Alska Native Height: 3 ft. 2 in.
Weight: 34 lb. Hair Color: Black
Eye Color: Brown

Endangerment Type: Stranger/Aquaintance Kidnapping

Last Known location: The child was left unattended in a red, 4 door, 1997 Geo Prizm, registration BSH5480/Mi unsecured in the back seat in a remote location at 20500 Greenfield, a Marathon gas station). while the child's mother's boyfriend went inside too purchase gum. When he returned to the vehicle the child was not there. The boyfriend did not check the area for the child, but drove to the mother's work location in Southfield and picked the mother up. The gas station clerk stated she did not see the child The attendant then called her employer who advised her to call 911. Police officers checked the area and spoke with residents, but the child had not been seen. If the child is located or to provide information contact Sgt. McClure with the Detroit Police Department's Violent Crime Task Force at 313-596-2300.

The Detroit Police Department says Tangena Hussain was allegedly abducted by an unknown suspect. Unknown if the suspect used a vehicle. If you have any information on the alleged victim, abductor or vehicle, IMMEDIATELY telephone 911 or Sgt. McClure with the Detroit Police Department's Violent Crime Task Force at 313-596-2300.

700 seekeroftruth  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:21:29am

re: #694 HD Woman

I do too.

701 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:21:46am

re: #691 jcw46

That's OK, I voted for McGovern. Gawd I was so naive. (and so young)

I voted for Guss Hall/Angela Davis.

702 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:22:43am

re: #692 Killgore Trout

I was just reading up on that one...
Jim Cramer: Time to get out of the stock market

He's kind of a tightly wound guy and the press in loving the reports of economic trouble. There's some nuance there.

"Tightly wound"? You could bounce a tire-iron off his aura at times.

703 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:22:48am

In bad economy, power cutoffs soar

Shut-offs have been running 17 percent higher than last year among customers of New York state's major utilities, and 22 percent higher in economically hard-hit Michigan. They are up in all or part of dozens of other states, including Pennsylvania, Florida and California, according to an Associated Press check of regulators and energy companies.

THIS is why McCain and Palin need to hit on the energy front. These are ripe states where cheap American energy will be a major appeal to voters.

Drill, Baby, drill! Nuke plants now!

704 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:24:02am

re: #693 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Somebody broke into my car and stole my GPS last night.

Somebody saw that I had something that they wanted, so they just took it. Sound like an Obama supporter to anyone here?

Can't the company find it?

As far as it being a BHO supporter, I doubt your average thief follows politcs--might be too busy looking for the next fix.

705 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:25:04am

re: #694 HD Woman

Mandell said she is "proud to support Sarah Palin, a woman who will fight for women's rights ... a woman who will, Lord knows, shake things up."

"Make no mistake," Mandell said. "I'm a life-long Democrat ... I don't agree with Gov. Palin on several issues." And yet, she said, "I know Sarah Palin cares about women’s rights, she cares about equality, she cares about equal pay, and as Vice President she will fight for it. She cares about our children and she cares about women's lives. She's an athlete and she knows what Title Nine did for girls like her."

"It is an honor to call her sister," Mandell said as she handed the microphone over to Palin

I read that as she supports Govenor Palin for VP.

I hadn't read/heard that part about VP.

I'm tending to agree that it was an endorsement for VP.

706 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:25:09am

re: #703 Sharmuta

You want them to nuke plants? How does that help with energy?

/

707 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:27:34am

re: #706 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You want them to nuke plants? How does that help with energy?

/

I don't know- I will have to call my Senators.

708 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:27:34am

re: #698 FrogMarch

Obama and his Marxist school pals.

No way BHO can say he didn't know about that.

709 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:27:45am

re: #695 seekeroftruth

Here are two links all saying "NOW LA Chief Endorses Palin"

[Link: www.breitbart.tv...]
[Link: gretawire.foxnews.com...]

I understand that. But what I'm saying is that I saw later reports -- Van Susteren on her show -- correcting that there wasn't an endorsement. Don't hop on me, though. I'm just relaying what she said.

710 Scion9  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:27:48am

I watched that liveleak 'Kill Him' clip a dozen times and can't make out what the guy is saying. Someone on in the comments says that the shouter is saying "Terrorist". I can't tell personally.

Here is the profile of the guy who posted the clip...
[Link: www.liveleak.com...]

711 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:29:41am

re: #697 Spirit93

Your a dissembling liar.

1. That's redundant. Just for future use.

2. What have I lied about exactly? I heard Greta Van Susteren say on her show that she wanted to correct the record: that there had been an introduction, but no endorsement.

I could care less. I'm just passing it along. If it makes you angry, take it up with her.

712 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:30:27am
713 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:30:49am

re: #701 MandyManners

LOL. Get out much?

714 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:30:59am

re: #683 jcw46

Let's keep in mind, the "horse race" we're watching is not "live". The positions of the competitors are being "reported" to us by many having a vested emotional, financial or political interest in a specific outcome. These same "reporters" have NO checks on them to "report" the truth.
To hazard a wager on such "reporting" would be foolish and expensive.
The only "reports" that might be true are the ones paid for by the competitors as they will endeavor to hire the most accurate "reporters" so that they have a true picture of the state of the race.
We all know the Daily Kos Media is distorting and hiding the true state of the competitors and their position in the race. Why do we then believe that other "reporters" are doing so accurately and become concerned that our competitor is behind.

/I ha a a Fender heavy pick petween my teeth, Walk Away

On November 4th remind those who are like minded to Vote. Make sure to Vote.

The ONLY true poll and determination of the winner.

715 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:32:09am

re: #710 Scion9

I can't make it out either. It's odd but I don't know what to think.

716 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:33:39am

re: #713 Cap'n DOC

LOL. Get out much?

Not any more.

717 jcw46  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:33:42am

re: #703 Sharmuta

In bad economy, power cutoffs soar


Shut-offs have been running 17 percent higher than last year among customers of New York state's major utilities, and 22 percent higher in economically hard-hit Michigan. They are up in all or part of dozens of other states, including Pennsylvania, Florida and California, according to an Associated Press check of regulators and energy companies.

Drill, Baby, drill! Nuke plants now!

The person they highlighted in Harrisburg, Pa area was ONLY $65 in arrears! That's a little harsh, no? Perhaps they cherry picked the available cut-offs for the smallest owed but even so. $65 and she was cut off. This is the power companies playing PR games to psych people out, I think. Since they're a monopoly they don't care much about bad press so don't think I'm wrong because it's such a negative PR thing.
Also; for the last year the press has trumpeted at every chance how bad the economy was getting --- Hope they're happy now.
Investing has a large guess-factor/emotional basis. Hearing that things are gonna go bad makes people nervous and then lo and behold, a self-fulfilling prophecy.

718 FrogMarch  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:34:36am
719 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:34:57am

re: #717 jcw46

The person they highlighted in Harrisburg, Pa area was ONLY $65 in arrears! That's a little harsh, no? Perhaps they cherry picked the available cut-offs for the smallest owed but even so. $65 and she was cut off. This is the power companies playing PR games to psych people out, I think. Since they're a monopoly they don't care much about bad press so don't think I'm wrong because it's such a negative PR thing.
Also; for the last year the press has trumpeted at every chance how bad the economy was getting --- Hope they're happy now.
Investing has a large guess-factor/emotional basis. Hearing that things are gonna go bad makes people nervous and then lo and behold, a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Psy-war.

720 Scion9  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:35:06am

re: #698 FrogMarch


...the media spent weeks puzzling over whether Palin wanted to teach creationism in schools. (For the umpteenth time, she doesn’t.) Don’t we get to know if Obama wanted to teach Marxism?

The angle on Ayers-Obama in your link is what is missing from the GOPs, the McCain campaign's attempts to get to Obama by way of their association.

That Ayers bombed the Pentagon ~40 years ago doesn't matter. That he is unrepentant doesn't matter.

They need to hammer on Ayer's ideology, or move on.

721 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:35:17am

re: #688 Cognito

Yes, And you are apparently full of crap and failed a reading comprehension test the last time I checked.

Parse it. It read to me like an endorsement. Of course, I'd leave it to you to be reading between the lines.

722 loveguru  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:35:24am
723 JustMyView  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:36:02am

re: #611 Luigi

The media has blacked-out the very important endorsement of Palin by the president of the LA Chapter of NOW. Even The Los Angeles Times has relegated it to their so-called LABlogs section which perhaps is not even in their print edition. Certainly, it is an inside feature.

[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]

An important story right in their own backyard and The Los Angeles Times deep-sixes it for politcally correct reasons. No respect for the truth. No respect for their profession of journalism. No respect for the sacrifice the troops are making for their constitutional right of freedom of the press.

Have a nice day.

The article you linked to points out that the speaker was there on her own behalf, not as a representative of NOW. NOW has endorsed Obama.

724 jcw46  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:37:08am

re: #711 Cognito



Your a dissembling liar.

1. That's redundant. Just for future use.

2. What have I lied about exactly? I heard Greta Van Susteren say on her show that she wanted to correct the record: that there had been an introduction, but no endorsement.

I could care less. I'm just passing it along. If it makes you angry, take it up with her.

Actually, no it's not. A dissembler is a liar but a liar may/may not be dissembling.

725 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:37:28am

re: #721 Cap'n DOC

Yes, And you are apparently full of crap and failed a reading comprehension test the last time I checked.

Parse it. It read to me like an endorsement. Of course, I'd leave it to you to be reading between the lines.

Yes. Once again. I'm not reading between any lines. No parsing involved. I'm simply passing along what Van Susteren herself said later during the show. If it makes you angry, write her a letter.

726 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:37:36am

re: #723 JustMyView

The article you linked to points out that the speaker was there on her own behalf, not as a representative of NOW. NOW has endorsed Obama.

Oh, come on! No where in Luigi's post did he claim that NOW endorsed Palin. READ THE FUCKING POST AGAIN.

727 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:37:56am

re: #688 Cognito

I merely said that there apparently hadn't been an endorsement, which is distinct in some way because Van Susteren had gone some lengths to say so later on her show.

Emphasis added for your enlightenment. Or is that not what you said?

728 jcw46  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:38:29am

re: #714 Killian Bundy
?

729 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:38:35am

re: #725 Cognito

Yes. Once again. I'm not reading between any lines. No parsing involved. I'm simply passing along what Van Susteren herself said later during the show. If it makes you angry, write her a letter.

Did you read No. 694?

730 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:39:10am

re: #722 loveguru

who knows name of this book?....... i wanna buy this.

thanks in advance :)

The Jewel of Medina

[Link: www.beaufortbooks.com...]

/hat tip: Basho

731 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:40:09am

re: #725 Cognito

I'm not reading between any lines.

Excuse me. I misspoke. You're apparently reading between the comments.

732 seekeroftruth  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:40:42am

re: #709 Cognito

I understand that. But what I'm saying is that I saw later reports -- Van Susteren on her show -- correcting that there wasn't an endorsement. Don't hop on me, though. I'm just relaying what she said.

I won't hop on you. : -) It's hard not to reach the conclusion that this was an endorsement of Palin as VP from the Breitbart and HD Woman's #694 post from ABC news. However, it is weird that Greta corrected her initial statement about a surprising endorsement.

733 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:40:45am

re: #730 Sharmuta

The Lady is from MT.

734 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:41:22am

re: #727 Cap'n DOC

Emphasis added for your enlightenment. Or is that not what you said?

For heaven's sake. Yes. Take it up with Van Susteren. Or the NOW lady. It's their deal, not mine.

735 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:41:28am

re: #722 loveguru

who knows name of this book?....... i wanna buy this.

thanks in advance :)

Not to be rude, but did you not read the article?

736 FrogMarch  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:41:45am

re: #708 MandyManners

No way BHO can say he didn't know about that.

After 20 years Obama says he never heard Wright say anything crazy.
20 years. We
I like Jennifer's closing remarks.

So even if Obama is never queried on whether he was the only adult in Chicago unaware of Ayers’s Weather Underground background, shouldn’t someone ask why he was working for and helping to fund an organization which supported this type of curriculum? Again, perhaps he wasn’t paying attention, or they never mentioned all this in his presence, or Obama figured out it was all a bunch of bunk, but it seems it is an area worth exploring. After all, the media spent weeks puzzling over whether Palin wanted to teach creationism in schools. (For the umpteenth time, she doesn’t.) Don’t we get to know if Obama wanted to teach Marxism?

737 laZardo  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:41:52am

re: #703 Sharmuta

Yeah, keep America suckling from the big corporate teat of oil that got us into these disastrous conflicts for decades!

/

738 Scion9  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:42:30am

re: #730 Sharmuta

Jewel of Medina is a Dhimmi book. It follows the life of Aisha, and paints the entire relationship with her pedophilac 54 year old husband in a positive light.

739 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:43:14am

re: #736 FrogMarch

It was just two years ago that Ayers said that. BHO was still attending Wright's congregation this year.

740 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:43:21am

Good Morning Lizards!

Well, my Sox are headed to the ALCS against Tampa Bay! What a great game! One for the ages.

Hope everyone out there is in as good a mood as I am. I figure the west coast isn't up yet so not too many Angels fans here yet. Sorry Chicago. Maybe next year.

741 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:44:28am

re: #738 Scion9

I'm just answering someone else's question.

742 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:48:17am

Hmmm. Reading upthread people seem a little testy today. Lighten up people. Have a cup of coffee. Maybe a donut or bagel. Take a deep breath and enjoy the fact that you are alive.

743 lifeofthemind  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:48:22am

Newspapers
The Sun was not fishwrap and it is gone

744 jcw46  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:48:43am

re: #735 Sharmuta
I found this "interesting".

Prof Spellberg wrote in the Wall Street Journal: "I used my scholarly expertise to assess the novel. It was in that same professional capacity that I felt it my duty to warn the press of the novel's potential to provoke anger among some Muslims.

"There is a long history of anti-Islamic polemic that uses sex and violence to attack the Prophet and his faith. This novel follows in that oft-trodden path, one first pioneered in medieval Christian writings."

Well even given that it occurred 1500+ years ago, pedophilia is still pedophilia and she was 6(?), so to my mind stating the truth is not an "attack" Ms Spellberg. (plus the "sex and violence" was on the part of Mo.)

745 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:49:29am

re: #742 Ford_Prefect

Hmmm. Reading upthread people seem a little testy today. Lighten up people. Have a cup of coffee. Maybe a donut or bagel. Take a deep breath and enjoy the fact that you are alive.

Too much of little old lady's flakes.

746 jcw46  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:50:04am

re: #737 laZardo

Oh, Please.

/shakes head and walks away

747 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:51:34am

re: #744 jcw46

There is a long history of anti-Islamic polemic that uses sex and violence to attack the Prophet and his faith. This novel follows in that oft-trodden path, one first pioneered in medieval Christian writings

She calls him the Prophet!

748 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:51:48am

re: #745 MandyManners

Too much of little old lady's flakes.

LOL. Now you're talking. Good morning Mandy. How are you on this fine day?

749 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:51:53am

We should call our Senators and demand an investigation into this surge of crankiness. Really get our money's worth.

750 jcw46  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:52:16am

re: #742 Ford_Prefect

Hmmm. Reading upthread people seem a little testy today. Lighten up people. Have a cup of coffee. Maybe a donut or bagel. Take a deep breath and enjoy the fact that you are alive.

you must be morning person with this hale fellow hearty stuff.

bite me. :>

/teasing

751 FrogMarch  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:53:11am

re: #739 MandyManners

It was just two years ago that Ayers said that. BHO was still attending Wright's congregation this year.

The media never asks Obama relevant questions. you know like - "Why are all your political friends either crazy, anti-american, anti-capitalist, Marxist, or a combination of?" -or- "What do you think about your board partner William Ayres - and his political adoration of Hugo Chavez"?

752 FrogMarch  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:53:54am

ask

753 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:54:45am

re: #750 jcw46

Actually I am running on just four hours sleep for the second day in a row thanks to the mlb scheduling gods putting the Red Sox games on late. But they won, so it's all good!

754 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:55:00am

re: #748 Ford_Prefect

LOL. Now you're talking. Good morning Mandy. How are you on this fine day?

Alive and well. How're you?

755 FrogMarch  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:55:03am

re: #745 MandyManners

Too much of little old lady's flakes.

Breakfast!

756 jcw46  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:55:18am

re: #743 lifeofthemind

Newspapers
The Sun was not fishwrap and it is gone

Yes, but it was "thin". Literally page wise and figuratively content wise.
It only came out what 6 days a week? Also competing with 6 other major papers in predominantly leftist/liberal market. More popular upstate and in some areas of CT.

757 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:55:43am

re: #751 FrogMarch

The media never asks Obama relevant questions. you know like - "Why are all your political friends either crazy, anti-american, anti-capitalist, Marxist, or a combination of?" -or- "What do you think about your board partner William Ayres - and his political adoration of Hugo Chavez"?

I pray that McCain and Palin keep doing it.

758 alien_mind  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:55:58am

WOW, CNN does actual investigative journalism about the Ayers/Obama relationship. They say Obama is lying!

759 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:56:07am

re: #755 FrogMarch

Breakfast!

Any fruit-cup left?

760 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:56:26am
761 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:56:45am

re: #706 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You want them to nuke plants? How does that help with energy?

/

Umm... they won't be using up as much solar?

/

762 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:56:54am

re: #758 alien_mind

WOW, CNN does actual investigative journalism about the Ayers/Obama relationship. They say Obama is lying!

GMTA!

763 laZardo  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:56:54am

re: #742 Ford_Prefect

/takes a deep breath

//finds himself clinging to life due to Manila smog being particularly bad this evening

/// hi (:

764 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:57:07am

Marxists to the left of me, defeatists to the right. Here I am stuck in the middle with....?

765 pittrader1988  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:58:32am

Since it's an open thread, I thought I would take advantage of it.

It's the economy stupid was the refrain in 1992, and the same could be said today. We passed a bail out bill, but what really needs to happen to go forward and make this thing work.

The problem is not the stock market. The problem is the interbank credit market. Banks do not trust each others balance sheets, so they are unable to trade with one another. When they can't trade, you can't get money. Why? They have to rely on only their own deposits to lend out cash.

So how do we fix it?

Today they are meeting in NYC on creating a clearing house. At the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, they have the best clearing house in the world, along with the best electronic trading system to access it. A clearing house works by taking the opposite side of each trade (selling to the buyer, and buying from the seller) and netting out the position. It accepts cash from both the buyer and the seller to hold the trade on its books. When the value of the trade changes, it collects and distributes more cash to the buyer and seller depending on who is correct on the trade.

If they use the CME clearing house to guarantee OTC trades, then the credit market will begin to flow relatively quickly. Costs of borrowing should go down.
Hopefully, they set it up the way it is now. Private industry doing the work, government providing the oversight. None of this quasi-govt agency crap. We know that doesn't work.

If they don't use a clearinghouse, dark days loom ahead.

766 jcw46  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:58:37am

re: #760 Typicalwhitey

Anyone seen this yet?

CNN: Obama’s lying about William Ayers

This was too good to not repeat:
“CNN commits a random act of journalism.”

Now that’s funny right there. Or would be if the truth of the statement weren’t so frightening in its implications.

RickZ on October 7, 2008 at 7:47 AM

767 laZardo  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:59:08am

re: #760 Typicalwhitey

re: #758 alien_mind

Okay, Manila's smog must definitely be fucking with my brain tonight...

/must've missed that episode this morning, AC360's usually before lunch here on CNN International

768 FrogMarch  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:59:51am

So this bullshit headline is what's up on Yahoo news.

McCain still haunted by role in banking scandal


No mention of Obama and Ayres.

769 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:00:16am

re: #766 jcw46

This was too good to not repeat:
“CNN commits a random act of journalism.”

Now that’s funny right there. Or would be if the truth of the statement weren’t so frightening in its implications.

RickZ on October 7, 2008 at 7:47 AM


We can thank Govenor Palin for this!

She is out there loud and clear on this issue and because she is watched by the media so closely, they have no choice but to cover this!

770 seekeroftruth  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:00:37am

re: #758 alien_mind

WOW, CNN does actual investigative journalism about the Ayers/Obama relationship. They say Obama is lying!

Interesting! There seems to be a few truthful Obama articles dribbling out from the MSM in the last few days.

771 laZardo  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:01:25am

re: #768 FrogMarch

My default Firefox BBC RSS has "Obama digs up McCain scandal."

/hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh

772 FrogMarch  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:01:40am

re: #760 Typicalwhitey

Anyone seen this yet?

CNN: Obama’s lying about William Ayers

CNN will soon get a call fro the Obama campaign. CNN better get back in line.
(back to lying)

773 alien_mind  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:01:57am

re: #762 Typicalwhitey
hey, beat ya by 28 seconds.

774 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:02:12am

re: #768 FrogMarch

So this bullshit headline is what's up on Yahoo news.

McCain still haunted by role in banking scandal


No mention of Obama and Ayres.


McCain was cleared by the Senate Ethics Committee
He also said that was the biggest mistake of his life, that even the appearance of quid pro quo was wrong and he has NEVER put up pork barrell spending, not even ONCE in his entire career.

775 Cognito  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:02:46am

re: #770 seekeroftruth

Interesting! There seems to be a few truthful Obama articles dribbling out from the MSM in the last few days.

Honestly I wonder if it's not a sense of self-preservation kicking in. Many people's lofty ideals about the Democratic party went out the window when the market tanked and people got a decent grasp of what -- and who -- precipitated it.

776 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:02:56am

re: #758 alien_mind

WOW, CNN does actual investigative journalism about the Ayers/Obama relationship. They say Obama is lying!

Initial beef with the report: WU was not just an anti-war group.

777 lifeofthemind  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:03:39am

re: #764 Sharmuta

Marxists to the left of me, defeatists to the right. Here I am stuck in the middle with....?

More Marxists?

778 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:03:41am

re: #775 Cognito

Honestly I wonder if it's not a sense of self-preservation kicking in. Many people's lofty ideals about the Democratic party went out the window when the market tanked and people got a decent grasp of what -- and who -- precipitated it.


It is because of PALIN.
She is hitting this every day and the msm has to cover it.

779 jcw46  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:03:46am

re: #765 pittrader1988

I would like more proof that the credit crunch is real. Have read much about this and also that it ain't so.
I also am suspect of the timing; they didn't know about this last month or 3 months ago?

This has other dimensions which, thanks to a supine media, we'll probably never find out about.

By your nic, I assume you wish us to infer a wall street connection? If so, please enlighten us, briefly, with any info you care to share.

780 HD Woman  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:04:13am

re: #709 Cognito

I understand that. But what I'm saying is that I saw later reports -- Van Susteren on her show -- correcting that there wasn't an endorsement. Don't hop on me, though. I'm just relaying what she said.


No worries, I've got a drill and a funnel handy.
She is a NOW official that is not cowtowing to the Democratic agenda of some of the other NOW officials. She is whole-heartedly giving Govenor Palin her personal endorsement for VP(and double daring them to question her feminist credentials).

781 FrogMarch  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:04:21am

re: #759 MandyManners

Any fruit-cup left?

I've got plenty of fruit cup.

782 jcw46  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:05:47am

re: #768 FrogMarch

So this bullshit headline is what's up on Yahoo news.

McCain still haunted by role in banking scandal

No mention of Obama and Ayres.


Or Bennett, the Democrat investigative lawyer, who said that McCain was only kept in investigation so that it wouldn't only be Dems being accused.

783 alien_mind  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:06:00am

re: #776 MandyManners

Initial beef with the report: WU was not just an anti-war group.

well, okay. but you have to give them at least partial credit for running a negative piece on The One.

784 FrogMarch  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:06:18am

re: #774 Typicalwhitey

McCain was cleared by the Senate Ethics Committee
He also said that was the biggest mistake of his life, that even the appearance of quid pro quo was wrong and he has NEVER put up pork barrell spending, not even ONCE in his entire career.

Keating is a non-story at this point. But there it is - right on schedule - bullshit cover for the precious lying Obama campaign.

785 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:06:31am

What did you think of the picture on hotair that accompanied that article?

It is even worse than the one that is usually associated with the rolling stone article.
I'd like to knock that smartasses head off.

786 pingjockey  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:06:45am

Mornin' all. CNN actually reported a true obambi fact? Gee, just like a real news organization.

787 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:06:51am

Who put tangerines in the fruit cup? Yuck!

788 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:08:08am

re: #758 alien_mind

WOW, CNN does actual investigative journalism about the Ayers/Obama relationship. They say Obama is lying!

I did not know that one school Ayers supported was a "peace" school or that another was an "African-American" school.

I learned something new today from CNN.

WHERE'S THE FLYING PIG?

789 laZardo  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:08:51am

re: #788 MandyManners

I had to keep it muzzled for the time being. I think I saw a CAIR van circling my block.

/ q:

790 lifeofthemind  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:09:19am

The Clinton News Network speaks? Must be fun at the internal meetings as the Clintonistas and the Obamaniacs go at it.

I want the popcorn concession.

791 pingjockey  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:09:21am

re: #777 lifeofthemind
Just carry the extra large can of "Moonbat Away". Can be found at your local sporting goods store disguised as bear spray.

792 loveguru  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:09:28am

re: #735 Sharmuta

Not to be rude, but did you not read the article?

well i myself is a descender of a family, whose 60% members were butchered by Islamist and my gandma had seen getting his sister-in-law raped as the world had ignored the big capastrophe of indian partition.... after rape they sacked her into peaces!... my grandpa was hidding with childrens, and was chocking the mouth of her new born child(my uncle)... so rest of childrens can be saved....

the story repeat again and again... Irony is that we give so much weightage to religious bigots rather then sharing pain of each other.... so i see Jewel of medina as a big step, to pay tribute to those innocent victims which had hardly done anything wrong to harm others... but had faced such a cruelty from commanders of Allah ( the most merciful, and most beneficiary... my foot!)

being direct rather then being rude, but i for me what really matters is respect to Human life rather then respect to some hate filled ideology of a 6th century pedophile warlord...

and i am speaking about Mohammed, the prophet pretender ( Peace of upon that poor soul, whose identity only brought sufferings to this world..... and i am praying for him... because if i don't then such poor soul will burn in hell for ever... )

793 laZardo  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:09:52am

re: #774 Typicalwhitey

OR WAS HE?

/dun dun duuuunnnnn

//watch out, that's the kicker behind their "digging it up"

794 HD Woman  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:10:18am

re: #760 Typicalwhitey

Anyone seen this yet?

CNN: Obama’s lying about William Ayers

Wow! if CNN is saying it, must be true!
do I really need a sarc tag?
Seriously though, WOW. I guess they figured the story was already too far out there to be reeigned back in... or I smell Clinton?

795 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:10:19am

re: #784 FrogMarch

Keating is a non-story at this point. But there it is - right on schedule - bullshit cover for the precious lying Obama campaign.


The big difference too is this.
If this is brought up tonight at the debate, McCain will explain it in detail, admit the appearance of wrongdoing, reiterate the apologies he issued at the time, remind them he was cleared by the Ethics committee and say he never ever uses pork barrel spending so that even the appearance of wrongdoing would never come up again.

What will the o say about ayers?
He will lie it is as simple as that.

I liked how in the cnn report, the woman who was obamas mentor says that she was just an invitee and did NOT organize it like obama said.

He shouldn't have screwed her over.....his chickens are coming home to roost also!

796 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:10:19am

re: #786 pingjockey