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Open | Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 9:38:06 pm PDT
A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant and the crazy crazier.
— H. L. Mencken
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Open | Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 9:38:06 pm PDT
A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant and the crazy crazier.
— H. L. Mencken
1270 comments
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zombie Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:38:49pm |
A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant and the crazy crazier.
A prescient glimpse into the moonbat-MSM relationship!
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:39:19pm |
A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant and the crazy crazier.
I agree. It's fit only for kindling.
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Cognito Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:39:23pm |
A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant and the crazy crazier.— H. L. Mencken
Thus truly spake a newspaperman.
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laZardo Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:41:10pm |
I play newspaper Sudoku and I resent that!
/ q;
//A newspaper TV news show is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant and the crazy crazier.
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zombie Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:41:18pm |
1938 edition:
A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant and the crazy crazier.
2008 edition:
A newspaper is a device for spewing leftist propaganda like an overflowing septic tank.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:41:31pm |
re: #4 lone_wolf_in_illinois
They're like blogs without the fact checking or accountability.
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:42:04pm |
I just replaced my old Mencken quote today.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:45:28pm |
My parrot refused to shit on our local lib fish-wrapper. He said it wasn't worthy of such an honor.
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Cognito Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:45:44pm |
re: #7 Killgore Trout
They're like blogs without the fact checking or accountability.
Unfortunately newspapers are still the very best we've got.
Painful, I know, but there it is. Television is a joke. Blogs have no money.
The trick is finding a good paper and learning its strengths and weaknesses. I suggest starting with the Wall Street Journal, which I'll say -- again -- did its level best to warn of the current financial implosion, for years.
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Charles Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:45:56pm |
Less than 9,000 comments to go until #6M. Could happen tomorrow night.
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Desert Dog Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:46:01pm |
re: #6 zombie
1938 edition:
A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant and the crazy crazier.
2008 edition:
A newspaper is a device for spewing leftist propaganda like an overflowing septic tank. - (BUT, act like they are mainstream and unbiased)
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Max Darkside Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:46:46pm |
re: #11 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
My parrot refused to shit on our local lib fish-wrapper. He said it wasn't worthy of such an honor.
Just Poop!
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zombie Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:47:19pm |
re: #9 wee fury
outhouse.
True story:
When I was a child, I had never actually heard anyone say the word outhouse: so the first time I encountered it in print, I thought it was some kind of French word, pronounced "O-thooz."
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Dar ul Harb Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:47:20pm |
The lunatic is in the hall
The lunatics are in the hall
The paper holds their folded faces to the floor
And every day
The paper boy brings more
--Pink Floyd, Brain Damage
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Wyatt Earp Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:47:42pm |
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:48:22pm |
A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant and the crazy crazier.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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zombie Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:48:22pm |
re: #15 laZardo
And I keep forgetting why they call it "WC" in Europe.
/srsly
The initials for Water Closet.
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Max Darkside Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:48:50pm |
re: #18 zombie
True story:
When I was a child, I had never actually heard anyone say the word outhouse: so the first time I encountered it in print, I thought it was some kind of French word, pronounced "O-thooz."
I thought o-thooz is what you dip those roast beef sandwiches into.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:49:30pm |
re: #19 Dar ul Harb
I thought that was from "Dark Side Of The Moon". Guess I'm too young.
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:49:50pm |
re: #18 zombie
True story:
When I was a child, I had never actually heard anyone say the word outhouse: so the first time I encountered it in print, I thought it was some kind of French word, pronounced "O-thooz."
For several years, I thought awry was pronounced OW-REE
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Bobibutu Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:50:30pm |
Lizard meet/party - Lizards and mates.
Sunday 26th of Oct. 11 am - 3 pm
Walnut Creek, CA 94595
25 miles East of San Francisco.
Locals and Nomads welcome.
BYOB and a pot luck if you wish.
Bring what ever food you wish to cook.
World class kitchen available. BBQ grills. Picnic area.
BBQ briquettes provided.
Heated swimming pool. Bring your suits. Changing rooms etc. available.
We have the ground floor of a 1930s Mansion/museum and outdoor patio reserved.
If it rains we have indoors - if not we have both.
My Halloween treat and thanks to LGF - so no cost to you.
Email for directions and location - secure, private, gated/guarded community.
Plenty of parking ... 100+.
For those that are paranoid & suspicious this is a leftist setup - 6 of us have already met once in SF.
RawMuse hosted that one.
We all like each other.
I volunteered to host the next meet.
This is it.
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Maximu§ Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:52:52pm |
I bought a new Mustang several months back and I should have waited for this:
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Moe Katz Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:53:28pm |
re: #18 zombie
True story:
When I was a child, I had never actually heard anyone say the word outhouse: so the first time I encountered it in print, I thought it was some kind of French word, pronounced "O-thooz."
It's a useful word for finding out who's a Canadian.
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Dar ul Harb Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:54:35pm |
re: #6 zombie
2008 edition:
A newspaper is a device for spewing leftist propaganda like an overflowing septic tank.
Not to mention junking up your house with stuff you read on the Internet yesterday for free.
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doriangrey Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:54:40pm |
re: #25 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
I thought that was from "Dark Side Of The Moon". Guess I'm too young.
ROTFLMAO.................. "Brain Damage" is a song off the album "Dark Side Of The Moon".......
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profitsbeard Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:54:51pm |
"A newspaper is a place to combine horoscopes and half truths in order to provide a fish with a flexible coffin.."
-Charles Foster Kane.
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Cognito Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:55:12pm |
re: #32 Dar ul Harb
Not to mention junking up your house with stuff you read on the Internet yesterday for free.
See post 12, though.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:56:02pm |
re: #30 Maximu§
I bought a new Mustang several months back and I should have waited for this:
Kinda looks like the baby of a 60's Challenger and a 60's Camaro.
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Max Darkside Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:56:17pm |
re: #30 Maximu§
I bought a new Mustang several months back and I should have waited for this:
I had an '04 Cobra... Loved it. 5 speed stick, posi with really sticky tires. Only 2 cars faster that year, upper-end Corvette and the Viper. 0-60 in just over 4 seconds and at 135 MPH, it was like a dream.
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newsjunkie_ky Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:56:31pm |
It bothers me that there are so many gullible (stupid?) people in America that actually believe in the hope and change hokum that obama, the snakeoil salesman, has sold.
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Archimedes Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:56:39pm |
re: #13 Charles
Less than 9,000 comments to go until #6M. Could happen tomorrow night.
Hope it's not me. I hate that kind of attention.
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victor_yugo Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:56:53pm |
re: #27 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
And I thought "anxiety" was pronounced "ank-shetty." You know, like "anxious" is pronounced "ank-shuss".
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:56:53pm |
re: #33 doriangrey
ROTFLMAO.................. "Brain Damage" is a song off the album "Dark Side Of The Moon".......
Thought that was the song. See? Too young! : )
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Dr. Shalit Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:57:14pm |
re: #7 Killgore Trout
They're like blogs without the fact checking or accountability.
K-T -
With a far larger Environmental Impact/Carbon Footprint.
-S-
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Max Darkside Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:58:00pm |
re: #42 Dr. Shalit
K-T -
With a far larger Environmental Impact/Carbon Footprint.
Not to mention the carbon fingerprints...
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solomonpanting Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:58:01pm |
Early in life I had noticed that no event is ever correctly reported in a newspaper.
George Orwell
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doppelganglander Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:58:03pm |
re: #27 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
For several years, I thought awry was pronounced OW-REE
I thought melancholy was pronounced "mel-ANCH-o-lee."
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Purple Prose Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:58:14pm |
Obama's friend and collaborator's timeless exultation:
Guilty as hell, free as a bird—America is a great country.
[Link: www.city-journal.org...]
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Dar ul Harb Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:58:50pm |
re: #33 doriangrey
ROTFLMAO.................. "Brain Damage" is a song off the album "Dark Side Of The Moon".......
I've always wondered what's the title of that intrumental piece they always play after Layla.
/
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:59:45pm |
re: #49 Dar ul Harb
I've always wondered what's the title of that intrumental piece they always play after Layla.
/
Layla Part Deux?
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brickthruplateglasswindow Mon, Oct 6, 2008 9:59:52pm |
re: #13 Charles
Less than 9,000 comments to go until #6M. Could happen tomorrow night.
Do I smell an ID thread for tomorrow's line-up?
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:00:06pm |
re: #35 Cognito
I can still get news from the Wall Street Journal online and for free. Face it- newspapers are dinosaurs. I was even able to convince my boss to stop buying the paper because he could get it online for free. Besides- the paper is literally yesterdays news. The net's here to stay and it's the only way "newspapers" are going to stay relevant.
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victor_yugo Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:01:03pm |
Supposedly true story:
A representative of Pravda was going from town to town, finding out ways in which the newspaper could serve the citizens better. In one town, some wag asked the question: "Could you use lighter ink?"
The Pravda representative, puzzled, asked, "What's wrong with the ink we use now?"
The wag answered, "We all have black asses!"
(He was made to answer for his smart remark the next day at work.)
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Cognito Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:01:07pm |
re: #52 Sharmuta
I can still get news from the Wall Street Journal online and for free. Face it- newspapers are dinosaurs. I was even able to convince my boss to stop buying the paper because he could get it online for free. Besides- the paper is literally yesterdays news. The net's here to stay and it's the only way "newspapers" are going to stay relevant.
Sorry, no. Those wonderful WSJ stories you can get online are paid for by the print side.
Post 12 still stands.
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Maximu§ Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:01:39pm |
re: #37 Max Darkside
I had an '04 Cobra... Loved it. 5 speed stick, posi with really sticky tires. Only 2 cars faster that year, upper-end Corvette and the Viper. 0-60 in just over 4 seconds and at 135 MPH, it was like a dream.
Story of my life...I have a new 08 Mustang in the garage, but I don't want it anymore. This new Dodge Challenger looks awesome.
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solomonpanting Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:01:40pm |
I keep reading between the lies.
Goodman Ace
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Dar ul Harb Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:01:58pm |
re: #41 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
"Dark Side Of The Moon" the song is actually "Eclipse"
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victor_yugo Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:03:24pm |
re: #45 solomonpanting
His Homage to Catalonia is an outstanding read, not only for the war-front experiences, but also for insight into his own politics and self-criticisms.
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Bobibutu Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:03:48pm |
re: #52 Sharmuta
I can still get news from the Wall Street Journal online and for free. Face it- newspapers are dinosaurs. I was even able to convince my boss to stop buying the paper because he could get it online for free. Besides- the paper is literally yesterdays news. The net's here to stay and it's the only way "newspapers" are going to stay relevant.
Filtered thru a "Star Chamber" of editors each with their own agendas.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:03:50pm |
re: #54 Cognito
Whatever. As the tide continues to flow towards online media distribution, that will change.
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Max Darkside Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:04:42pm |
re: #55 Maximu§
Story of my life...I have a new 08 Mustang in the garage, but I don't want it anymore. This new Dodge Challenger looks awesome.
Nice looking, and it has 1/4 mile and 0-60 timers along with an accelerometer on-board, but notice the times they show. 1/4 mile in over 13s?! 0-60 at almost 5s? I think it might be heavy, slowing it down.
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Dr. Shalit Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:04:42pm |
re: #36 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Kinda looks like the baby of a 60's Challenger and a 60's Camaro.
OMD -
That's because, when new, the 1970 Challenger and Barracuda looked like artfully chopped and channeled 1969 Camaros. Owned a 1970 Challenger, small block Mopar V-8, fun car for is day.
-S-
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:04:57pm |
re: #57 Dar ul Harb
"Dark Side Of The Moon" the song is actually "Eclipse"
Geez, now I'm REALLY confused! Guess I'll take a Pink Floyd and watch the room spin and change colors.
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soccerdad Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:05:06pm |
re: #20 Wyatt Earp
Cop-killing scumbag Mumia abu Jamal gets fisted by the SCOTUS. Heh.
Amen. I say to you....Amen
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:05:18pm |
re: #60 Bobibutu
Hey- I was just glad I got him to quit openly paying for the paper. It was my little way of striking back at the drive by media.
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DeafDog Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:05:19pm |
re: #52 Sharmuta
I can still get news from the Wall Street Journal online and for free. Face it- newspapers are dinosaurs. I was even able to convince my boss to stop buying the paper because he could get it online for free. Besides- the paper is literally yesterdays news. The net's here to stay and it's the only way "newspapers" are going to stay relevant.
All true, but I still enjoy Sunday morning "newspaper" time.
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Irene NYC Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:05:23pm |
cognito
And someone very, very, very close to me just lost his job when the media company he worked for closed its doors last week.
I feel your pain.
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Cartman Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:05:24pm |
re: #13 Charles
Less than 9,000 comments to go until #6M. Could happen tomorrow night.
I think everyone should stop typing with one to go, and let you do the honors.
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Cognito Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:05:34pm |
re: #61 Sharmuta
Whatever. As the tide continues to flow towards online media distribution, that will change.
"Whatever" doesn't quite do it, I'm afraid. Someone has to first figure out how to make the model work.
No one has.
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Timbre Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:06:31pm |
John Gage, President of the American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE) stated, "But polling shows that only 55 percent of union members right now, support Obama. [...] Why then is it close? Many, including me, think race. Union leaders have felt the sting of anonymous e-mails and coded language at union meetings."
No, Mr. Gage, 45 percent of your members do not support Obama because they know he is a socialist and a hater of America. The only America he loves is a fantasy "peoples' republic" of which he and his cronies rule through intimidation and transfer of wealth from workers and capitalists to parasites and socialists.
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Max Darkside Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:06:36pm |
re: #63 Dr. Shalit
OMD -
That's because, when new, the 1970 Challenger and Barracuda looked like artfully chopped and channeled 1969 Camaros. Owned a 1970 Challenger, small block Mopar V-8, fun car for is day.
-S-
I had a 68 GTO, back in the day... Damn fun to drive, but didn't have posi, so I couldn't git roaring until doing over 30MPH, else just burn rubber.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:06:49pm |
re: #62 Max Darkside
Nice looking, and it has 1/4 mile and 0-60 timers along with an accelerometer on-board, but notice the times they show. 1/4 mile in over 13s?! 0-60 at almost 5s? I think it might be heavy, slowing it down.
But is it a Hemi?
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:07:15pm |
re: #70 Cognito
You mean like the model of being biased to the point of losing viewers and readers? Because I'd say that model is working just swimmingly, isn't it?
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Bobibutu Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:07:32pm |
re: #66 Sharmuta
Hey- I was just glad I got him to quit openly paying for the paper. It was my little way of striking back at the drive by media.
Good on ya. Keep it up.
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Cognito Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:07:36pm |
re: #68 Irene NYC
cognito
And someone very, very, very close to me just lost his job when the media company he worked for closed its doors last week.
I feel your pain.
Thanks Irene. For what it's worth, my person wasn't in the media. But you're right that the media is taking it on the chin.
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Macker Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:07:42pm |
re: #20 Wyatt Earp
So when will they execute the son of a bitch?
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redc1c4 Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:07:51pm |
re: #49 Dar ul Harb
I've always wondered what's the title of that intrumental piece they always play after Layla.
/
on the LP or in concert?
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Irene NYC Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:07:57pm |
re: #70 Cognito
"Whatever" doesn't quite do it, I'm afraid. Someone has to first figure out how to make the model work.
No one has.
It's really the problem, isn't it? And it ain't being solved by the internet.
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Max Darkside Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:08:06pm |
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solomonpanting Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:08:28pm |
re: #59 victor_yugo
I might have to check it out. Thanks.
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Cognito Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:08:37pm |
re: #74 Sharmuta
You mean like the model of being biased to the point of losing viewers and readers? Because I'd say that model is working just swimmingly, isn't it?
If you want to change the subject, that's fine. We were talking about the Wall Street Journal, though.
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looking closely Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:09:08pm |
re: #30 Maximu§
I bought a new Mustang several months back and I should have waited for this:
Its essentially identical to the Dodge Charger, just cut down a few inches and with two doors instead of four.
If you have to go there, save your money for the new Camaro.
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pat Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:09:15pm |
A 'newspaper' is designed to make those that agree with it's slant, pay for the privilege.
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brickthruplateglasswindow Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:09:28pm |
re: #70 Cognito
"Whatever" doesn't quite do it, I'm afraid. Someone has to first figure out how to make the model work.
No one has.
For a modest consulting fee up front and an airtight NDA, I'd share a few things that haven't been tried.
:)
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rawmuse Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:09:33pm |
Newspapers are inversely informational. You take what you read, invert it 180 degrees, arrive at something closer to the truth.
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Cognito Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:10:03pm |
re: #85 brickthruplateglasswindow
For a modest consulting fee up front and an airtight NDA, I'd share a few things that haven't been tried.
:)
Ha. You might be surprised who'd pay.
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Dar ul Harb Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:10:12pm |
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:10:22pm |
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Maximu§ Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:10:36pm |
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:10:46pm |
re: #82 Cognito
I think you mean you're talking about the Wall Street Journal. I'm talking about newspapers and TV networks.
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pat Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:11:11pm |
re: #87 DesertSage
Hawaiian Chop Steak, Sweet Corn on the cob, white rice, Japanese pickles, here. Sorry
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:11:31pm |
re: #83 looking closely
Its essentially identical to the Dodge Charger, just cut down a few inches and with two doors instead of four.
If you have to go there, save your money for the new Camaro.
4 door Dodge Charger? HUH?
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:11:34pm |
re: #84 pat
A 'newspaper' is designed to make those that agree with it's slant, pay for the privilege.
That's a keeper, pat.
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Dr. Shalit Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:11:36pm |
re: #73 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
But is it a Hemi?
OMD -
Yuppers, the new variety with 16 spark plugs and SMP Fuel Injection with "small block" displacement.
-S-
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brickthruplateglasswindow Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:11:36pm |
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Irene NYC Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:11:57pm |
Did I see Aisha on the previous thread or were my eyes deceiving me?
;)
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Maximu§ Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:12:08pm |
re: #83 looking closely
Its essentially identical to the Dodge Charger, just cut down a few inches and with two doors instead of four.
If you have to go there, save your money for the new Camaro.
I'm so tired of waiting for that Camero, I was ready to buy it when Transformers came out.
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victor_yugo Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:12:38pm |
re: #91 Maximu§
At least it puts out. Which is more than I can say for the last 3 women I dated...
/rimshot
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:12:48pm |
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Cognito Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:13:03pm |
re: #92 Sharmuta
I think you mean you're talking about the Wall Street Journal. I'm talking about newspapers and TV networks.
Huh. Guess I was thrown off when you said, "I can still get news from the Wall Street Journal online and for free. Face it- newspapers are dinosaurs."
Sorry.
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Bobibutu Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:13:36pm |
re: #91 Maximu§
The 6.1 litre version puts out 425hp.
Sounds like it's time for this one again ...
Enjoy.
"DEFINITION OF ACCELERATION"
One top fuel dragster 500 cubic inch Hemi engine makes more horsepower
than the first 4 rows of stock cars at the Daytona 500.
Under full throttle, a dragster engine consumes 1-1/2 gallons of nitro
methane per second; a fully loaded 747 consumes jet fuel at the same
rate with 25% less energy being produced.
A stock Dodge Hemi V8 engine cannot produce enough power to drive the
dragster's supercharger.
With 3,000 CFM of air being rammed in by the supercharger on overdrive,
the fuel mixture is compressed into a near-solid form before ignition.
Cylinders run on the verge of hydraulic lock at full throttle.
At the stoichiometric (stoichiometry: methodology and technology by
which quantities of reactants and products in chemical reactions are
determined) 1.7:1 air/fuel mixture of nitro methane, the flame front
temperature measures 7,050 deg F.
Nitro methane burns yellow. The spectacular white flame seen above the
stacks at night is raw burning hydrogen, dissociated from atmospheric
water vapor by the searing exhaust gases.
Dual magnetos supply 44 amps to each spark plug. This is essentially the
output of an arc welder in each cylinder.
Spark plug electrodes are totally consumed during a pass. After halfway,
the engine is dieseling from compression, plus the glow of exhaust
valves at 1,400 deg F. The engine can only be shut down by cutting the
fuel flow.
If spark momentarily fails early in the run, unburned nitro builds up in
the affected cylinders and then explodes with sufficient force to blow
cylinder heads off the block in pieces or split the block in half.
In order to exceed 300 mph in 4.5 seconds, dragsters must accelerate an
average of over 4G's. In order to reach 200 mph (well before
half-track), the launch acceleration approaches 8G's.
Dragsters reach over 300 miles per hour before you have completed
reading this sentence.
Top fuel engines turn approximately 540 revolutions from light to light!
Including the burnout, the engine must only survive 900 revolutions
under load.
The redline is actually quite high at 9,500 rpm.
Assuming all the equipment is paid off, the crew worked for free, and
for once NOTHING BLOWS UP, each run costs an estimate $1,000.00 per
second.
The current top fuel dragster elapsed time record is 4.441 seconds for
the quarter mile (10/05/03, Tony Schumacher). The top speed record is
333.00 mph (533 km/h) as measured over the last 66' of the run (09/28/03
Doug Kalitta).
You are driving the average $140,000 Lingenfelter "twin-turbo" powered
Corvette Z06. Over a mile up the road, a top fuel dragster is staged and
ready to launch down a quarter mile strip as you pass. You have the
advantage of a flying start. You run the 'Vette hard up through the
gears and blast across the starting line and pass the dragster at an
honest 200 mph. The "tree" goes green for both of you at that moment.
The draster launches and starts after you.
You keep your foot down hard, but you hear an incredibly brutal whine
that sears your eardrums and within 3 seconds, the dragster catches and
passes you. He beats you to the finish line, a quarter mile away from
where you just passed him. Think about it; from a standing start, the
dragster had spotted you 200 mph and not only caught you, but nearly
blasted you off the road when he passed you within a mere 1,320 foot
long race course.
That folks is acceleration...
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Maximu§ Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:13:44pm |
re: #94 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
4 door Dodge Charger? HUH?
I always thought the 4 door Charger looked ridiculous.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:13:55pm |
re: #104 Cognito
Huh. Guess I was thrown off when you said, "I can still get news from the Wall Street Journal online and for free. Face it- newspapers are dinosaurs."
Sorry.
It was the plural for newspaper, huh?
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DesertSage Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:13:57pm |
Yep, I'm waiting for the new Camaro to make it's debut!
[Link: www.chevrolet.com...]
And some Cheezy Poofs!
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opnion Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:14:03pm |
re: #38 newsjunkie_ky
It bothers me that there are so many gullible (stupid?) people in America that actually believe in the hope and change hokum that obama, the snakeoil salesman, has sold.
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Oh yeah, they buy it. At dinner tonight one of my coworkers went in to the Obama is great thing. I listened until I couldn't take anymore and challenged him. He ninformrd me that all of this Wright & Ayers stuff was just guilt through association. When I asked him if he would have a friend like Ayers, he said "Absolutely"
At that point , I strongly suggested , that he wipe the liberal smirk off of his face & grow up. Thank God, I outrank him.
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KZnextzone Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:14:10pm |
RE #13
I'll comment....Congrats Charles and thank you for the enlightening forum.
*Polishes apple on shirt*!
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laZardo Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:14:59pm |
re: #30 Maximu§
re: #83 looking closely
From the POV of a guy who wants to be a car designer, I'm personally a bit tired of these "retro" muscle cars. It makes me think we're approaching the wheezing-econo-70s all over again.
Now that brand new Nissan GT-R...that's performance.
/as long as those damn ricers don't get their oily hands all over it for their F-n-F fantasies...
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soccerdad Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:15:15pm |
Honestly I fear for the campaign. I'm still not backing off my prediction, but I am genuinely saddened by the lack of substantive rebuttal by the McCain/Palin campaign to the ideas of BHO. He's a communist/Socialist/marxist. The ideas he is spouting are straight out of the marxist playbook. Yet here we still sit....discussing the fact that his associations should disqualify him. or maybe just the fact that the rebuttals are not getting traction.
It is NOT his associations...it is his ideas. They are FUNDAMENTALLY anti-capitalist. Requiring the coverage of pre-conditions is but one simple example of his anti-capitalist views.
I truly fear for this country if BHO and Plug boy get the nod.
I still believe it'll be a mcCain/Palin electoral landslide...but again...mcCain is NOT running a good campaign.
I've always said, "i would vote for Mickey mouse if he was running onthe Republican ticket." This is is pretty close to that. And i'm voting Republican.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:15:23pm |
re: #96 Dr. Shalit
OMD -
Yuppers, the new variety with 16 spark plugs and SMP Fuel Injection with "small block" displacement.
-S-
6.1 litre hemi small block? Those must be some humongous pistons.
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KZnextzone Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:17:39pm |
I think more scary background stuff on Obambi will start to percolate. I'm still amazed they kept the Palin secret so long. They must be holding something. The Ayer's wrote Audacity stuff looks compelling....
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Irene NYC Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:18:43pm |
I love newspapers and I'm sorry to see what is happening to them. Some of their problems are self-inflicted, others due to changes in technology. But I already miss the sense of community they fostered in the cities where I have lived and the slower, more thoughtful pace of life that went along with their era. And the ADD which the internet fosters is not to my taste either. I feel like a dinosaur.
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Hard Right Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:18:50pm |
I have to say that the spear point should be FM/FM. Show how obama and the dems were in it up to their eyeballs.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:19:05pm |
re: #105 Bobibutu
Of course, dragsters do 325 mph for about 1300 feet. Indy cars can run at 225 mph for 500 miles or more.
/Just sayin'...
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KZnextzone Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:19:25pm |
I was surprised with the nautical references ( I get seasick looking at a picture of a boat), I don't see the o as a sailing kind of guy...
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soccerdad Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:19:42pm |
re: #66 Sharmuta
Hey- I was just glad I got him to quit openly paying for the paper. It was my little way of striking back at the drive by media.
I have not paid for a paper in three years. The Philadelphia inquirer has morphed itself into Philly.com and more often than not these days.. when youhit the "home" page it is some editoral being highlighted. And guess which way that editorial is slanted. (I just go there for the sports).
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Dar ul Harb Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:20:19pm |
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Oldasdirt Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:20:49pm |
What is black and white and RED all over?
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No,,not the newspaper.!
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The obama /biden ticket.
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rawmuse Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:21:03pm |
re: #112 soccerdad
In order for a socialist/communist government to occur, not only must you have A) a party leadership willing to do whatever it takes to win (any means to an end) but you also need B) a docile, defeated and constantly needy populace that will welcome and enable the former component.
I know we presently have part A. I am not sure about part B, but it seems like part B is getting bigger.
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Dr. Shalit Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:21:06pm |
re: #83 looking closely
Its essentially identical to the Dodge Charger, just cut down a few inches and with two doors instead of four.
If you have to go there, save your money for the new Camaro.
"lc" -
You are right on that, which is to say that the platform is much like an old Benz "E Class" - Not bad - back in the day, the Challenger was based on the Dodge Dart, and the Camaro based on the Nova. Didn't keep either car from becoming an icon.
-S-
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Bobibutu Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:21:15pm |
re: #119 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Of course, dragsters do 325 mph for about 1300 feet. Indy cars can run at 225 mph for 500 miles or more.
/Just sayin'...
Point well taken. And it's 2 different desired outcomes.
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steve Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:21:39pm |
If the newpapers go away I guess that I will have to find another way to read my comics.
[Link: www.daybydaycartoon.com...]
comes to mind.
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laZardo Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:21:42pm |
re: #123 Oldasdirt
Dead penguins?
/pissed that Happy Feet beat Cars for the Oscar
//RIP Paul "Doc Hudson" Newman
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Cognito Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:22:11pm |
re: #117 Irene NYC
I love newspapers and I'm sorry to see what is happening to them. Some of their problems are self-inflicted, others due to changes in technology. But I already miss the sense of community they fostered in the cities where I have lived and the slower, more thoughtful pace of life that went along with their era. And the ADD which the internet fosters is not to my taste either. I feel like a dinosaur.
Yes. All true.
There used to be right-leaning newspapers galloping across the tundra, believe it or not. Every town had two papers.
The left-leaning bias in papers today is laughably obvious. There are other forces at play, though. Some people here try to make the argument that the media is collapsing now -- coincidentally to the technological revolution -- because all those conservative readers are making an exodus to find more like-minded thinkers elsewhere.
Trouble is, the biggest political blogs are lefties. And none of them can touch Perez Hilton.
I don't know the solution. I wish I did. And if I do figure it out, I hope I beat the likes of Mark Cuban to it.
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Cartman Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:22:21pm |
re: #115 KZnextzone
Personally, I think the election will come and go without the BHO bombshell we're all hoping for. What's been discovered about him already should have been more than enough to sink the ship of an ordinary presidential candidate, under ordinary times and circumstances. These here are uncharted waters, indeed.
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DeafDog Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:23:04pm |
re: #82 Cognito
If you want to change the subject, that's fine. We were talking about the Wall Street Journal, though.
IBD seems to be doing well financially. Proprietary information - that's the ticket. Who owns IBD?
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Bobibutu Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:23:44pm |
re: #128 steve
If the newpapers go away I guess that I will have to find another way to read my comics.
[Link: www.daybydaycartoon.com...]
comes to mind.
What? You are online and daybyday is online all over the place.
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victor_yugo Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:25:03pm |
re: #125 rawmuse
I know we presently have part A. I am not sure about part B, but it seems like part B is getting bigger.
Bigger, or merely screaming louder?
It can't be good when even apolitical, ignorant young adults can see The Fascist Tool Barack Obama as just a sloganeer (slogans written by someone else).
I work with a couple of them. They have a lot of growing up to do, and their work ethic, uh, needs work... but their antipathy towards O is very strong. And in neither case does it have to do with race!
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Cognito Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:25:10pm |
re: #132 DeafDog
IBD seems to be doing well financially. Proprietary information - that's the ticket. Who owns IBD?
I believe they're independent. And yes, proprietary information is key. Trouble is, we all want that non-proprietary information, but we don't want to pay someone to go fetch it and sketch it.
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KZnextzone Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:25:10pm |
and to keep on the nautical.."I say these seas have been charted by Seaman Hillary and the hazards of Hell's Bucket are the same"
Arrrgh Matey
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steve Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:25:20pm |
re: #134 Bobibutu
I know but I still like sitting at the table and holding the paper in my hands. Cannot do that with a computer.
And then what am I going to wrap the christmas presents in?
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opnion Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:25:55pm |
re: #131 Cartman
Personally, I think the election will come and go without the BHO bombshell we're all hoping for. What's been discovered about him already should have been more than enough to sink the ship of an ordinary presidential candidate, under ordinary times and circumstances. These here are uncharted waters, indeed.
So true, it does not seem to matter what Obamas negatives are.
They are brushed aside & he gets the benefit of all doubts by people who should know better.
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Cartman Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:26:26pm |
I've got LGF up in Safari for Windows. Nice & clean. I think I like it.
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soccerdad Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:26:48pm |
re: #125 rawmuse
In order for a socialist/communist government to occur, not only must you have A) a party leadership willing to do whatever it takes to win (any means to an end) but you also need B) a docile, defeated and constantly needy populace that will welcome and enable the former component.
I know we presently have part A. I am not sure about part B, but it seems like part B is getting bigger.
Amen...hence my fear. I had a conversation with the better half tonight, who was undecided last week. Tonight she is solidly in BHO's camp, and taunted me that mcCain is behind in the polls. Suffice it to say I do not take the hardline at home as I love sex, but her transformation is clearly a result of the MSM. I asked her about the healthcare program of Obama, pointing out the anti-capitalist nature of it, but and she was all for it. (she's a nurse)
/sigh
i'm getting cancelled out
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:26:59pm |
re: #118 Hard Right
I have to say that the spear point should be FM/FM. Show how obama and the dems were in it up to their eyeballs.
And also that the Bush administration and McCain wanted to pass legislation numerous times to reform it since 2003, but were blocked by the Dimocrats. Then I heard Barney Fwank's butt-buddy was on employed at Fannie Mae (When he wasn't running their gay teenage boy out of their townhouse).
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KZnextzone Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:27:09pm |
They've got something......They just don't want it to blow over with the ADD of the populace, best wait. "Walk down and ....." well you get it!
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Bobibutu Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:27:47pm |
re: #138 steve
I know but I still like sitting at the table and holding the paper in my hands. Cannot do that with a computer.
And then what am I going to wrap the christmas presents in?
Print function! ... well if you only have 8 1/2X11 capability ... multiple pages and Scotch Tape.
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RTLM Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:28:17pm |
The NYT has the optimum broadness for Great Dane contaminant when on the sidewalk.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:28:26pm |
re: #127 Bobibutu
Point well taken. And it's 2 different desired outcomes.
Nope...both are doin' it to win. : )
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rawmuse Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:28:36pm |
re: #135 victor_yugo
I hope you are right. If you ever wonder why the qualities of self-reliance, honesty and duty are promoted in the Boy Scouts (and why the Left feels the need to bring the Boy Scouts down) look no further than the electorate. A populace that demands that everything be provided for them is ripe for tyranny.
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redc1c4 Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:28:46pm |
re: #105 Bobibutu "Acceleration"
and you can DIY........
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victor_yugo Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:29:23pm |
re: #138 steve
I know but I still like sitting at the table and holding the paper in my hands. Cannot do that with a computer.
The Amazon Kindle and its ilk are getting better and more popular every year. And Esquire Magazine just published the world's first E-ink cover, which caused quite a stir where I work.
It isn't often I can point at something and say, with all certainty, "This is the wave of the future."
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steve Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:29:38pm |
re: #144 Bobibutu
That will be a lot of scitch tape used at chrostmas time.
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Cartman Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:29:43pm |
Well, I guess it's time to attempt some sleep. Seems like I've forgotten once again how to do it, but I'll give it a shot. G'nite, all.
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Maximu§ Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:29:47pm |
re: #111 laZardo
re: #83 looking closely
From the POV of a guy who wants to be a car designer, I'm personally a bit tired of these "retro" muscle cars. It makes me think we're approaching the wheezing-econo-70s all over again.
Now that brand new Nissan GT-R...that's performance.
/as long as those damn ricers don't get their oily hands all over it for their F-n-F fantasies...
Those retro muscle cars of the 60's and 70's bring back alot of memories of Wednesday night street races, a girlfirend who has zipper pants and good times.
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Bobibutu Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:29:51pm |
re: #146 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Nope...both are doin' it to win. : )
Yeah, yeah, but different distances.
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neocon hippie Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:29:59pm |
Earlier today I saw a report saying that some of the Israelis -- military and politicians -- who were used in the Israelis for Obama video going around -- are upset, saying they were taken out of context. Anybody know where I can find it?
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tommoon Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:30:05pm |
Irene NYC
I remember delivering the newspaper in my jr. high school days. The Ap and UPI had the reputation that what they wrote could be absolutely believed as truth. The local small town used them to get the news to the people of the country. Sadly, today we have a media that is mostly under the control of the leftist democratic party. I think that this decision by these news outlets we eventually destroy them.
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Bobibutu Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:30:18pm |
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lummox Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:30:42pm |
re: #76 Cognito
Thanks Irene. For what it's worth, my person wasn't in the media. But you're right that the media is taking it on the chin.
AS well it should, especially after this election.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:32:42pm |
re: #138 steve
I know but I still like sitting at the table and holding the paper in my hands. Cannot do that with a computer.
And then what am I going to wrap the christmas presents in?
/And it'll be difficult to put a computer in the bottom of a box and teach your puppy to shit on it.
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steve Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:32:49pm |
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Dr. Shalit Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:32:54pm |
re: #113 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
6.1 litre hemi small block? Those must be some humongous pistons.
"OMD" -
You are a youngster. The 5.7 liter Hemi translates to about 350 in the lord's own cubic inches. 6.1 liters is roughly 375 in cid. The first generation small block Chevy came in a 400 cid flavor for a number of years, my dad had one in a '71 Caprice.
-S-
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DeafDog Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:33:16pm |
re: #136 Cognito
I believe they're independent. And yes, proprietary information is key. Trouble is, we all want that non-proprietary information, but we don't want to pay someone to go fetch it and sketch it.
Over the last few years, we were all literally starved for unbiased information on Iraq. The only reports that we got were all reports from the green zone. Most were slanted editorally. Eventually, I discovered Yon and Totten and Rogio on the web. I gladly paid them (vluntarily) for their efforts. Yon/Totten/Rogio do give opinions. Sometimes they are not opinions I want to hear. But I respect them because I know they are honest and I try to incorporate their opinions into my own biases.
There is a big part of the answer in that experience, too. Newspapers are seen as biased. Too often, their reporters are not doing the hard work of journalism. They are just attending news conferences (that I could jst as easily watch on C-Span) and adding their own spin.
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redc1c4 Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:33:28pm |
re: #141 soccerdad
Amen...hence my fear. I had a conversation with the better half tonight, who was undecided last week. Tonight she is solidly in BHO's camp, and taunted me that mcCain is behind in the polls. Suffice it to say I do not take the hardline at home as I love sex, but her transformation is clearly a result of the MSM. I asked her about the healthcare program of Obama, pointing out the anti-capitalist nature of it, but and she was all for it. (she's a nurse)
/sigh
i'm getting cancelled out
no offense, but most nurses i've met over the years are a little whack.
(the others are *really* whack. %-)
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Irene NYC Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:34:51pm |
re: #130 Cognito
My grandmother subscribed to nine newspapers in five languages. She read each one cover to cover, as did my parents. They were printed from all corners of the earth. I remember there was this excitement attached to receiving them and an element of responsibility also. You were supposed to keep yourself well-informed. De rigeuer sort of thing.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:34:54pm |
I just couldn't resist sharing this with the lizards. My hubby just received, in the mail, a beautifully presented, artfully wrapped "Certificate of Appreciation" "for outstanding service to the Nation as a United States Army Soldier", along with a lapel pin and two window stickers......he was a Marine.
Tax dollars at work.
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redc1c4 Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:35:06pm |
re: #152 Maximu§
Those retro muscle cars of the 60's and 70's bring back alot of memories of Wednesday night street races, a girlfirend who has zipper pants and good times.
Dittos jeans....... %-)
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Oldasdirt Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:35:09pm |
re: #76 Cognito
Thanks Irene. For what it's worth, my person wasn't in the media. But you're right that the media is taking it on the chin.
I was gonna make a Barney Frank joke here,,,but i wont.
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Cognito Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:35:21pm |
re: #161 DeafDog
Too often, their reporters are not doing the hard work of journalism. They are just attending news conferences (that I could jst as easily watch on C-Span) and adding their own spin.
Sounds like you might be reading the wrong papers, then. (See post 12.)
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steve Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:35:23pm |
Ozark Mountain Daredevil, thank you for the laugh. I needed it today.
Ya all have a wonderful night. I am off to bed.........
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:35:39pm |
re: #153 Bobibutu
Yeah, yeah, but different distances.
That's the one great thing I love about racing. No one is ever truly happy to finish second. They're just the first one to lose.
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Maximu§ Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:35:51pm |
re: #164 Pvt Bin Jammin
I just couldn't resist sharing this with the lizards. My hubby just received, in the mail, a beautifully presented, artfully wrapped "Certificate of Appreciation" "for outstanding service to the Nation as a United States Army Soldier", along with a lapel pin and two window stickers......he was a Marine.
Tax dollars at work.
Its the thought that counts Princess.
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Adrenalyn Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:35:55pm |
can someone do a timeline of what the fuck the Nazicrats have been up to since they took over Congress
I mean for example:
they were told, REPEATEDLY
by Greenspan and even real republicans (including the Pussident)
that Fannie, Freddie, etc. were in trouble
and they were shouted down by Maxine Waters, Chris Dodd, Barney Fife, etc...
but all they did was what ?
fucking hearings on steroids in baseball ?
had a bunch of hollywood idiots parading in and speaking about their favorite topics
useless hearings on Bush, Cheney, Halliburton, etc.
maybe the GOP needs a good idea like this to present to the American people
because the dem's sqaundered the time they had
and it needs pointing out as much or more than Ayers
because so far the MSM is covering for him
but McCain should interject his name tomorrow night anyway
domestic terrorism like McVeigh or Ayers produced or Anthrax
are as dangerous as Muslim extremism and can be almost as deadly
and point out OKC bombing and anthrax letters
and then remind Obama of who Bill Ayers is
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Irene NYC Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:37:13pm |
re: #136 Cognito
I believe they're independent. And yes, proprietary information is key. Trouble is, we all want that non-proprietary information, but we don't want to pay someone to go fetch it and sketch it.
I never bought that "citizen journalist" thang. Of course, the fact that that phrase reminded me of the French Revolution may have been the real reason for my distaste.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:37:24pm |
re: #152 Maximu§
Those retro muscle cars of the 60's and 70's bring back alot of memories of Wednesday night street races, a girlfirend who has zipper pants and good times.
When they roll out the 2010 Ford Pinto, Dodge Colt and Chevy Vega, be worried. Be VERY worried!
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Racer X Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:37:43pm |
Heads up everyone:
THEATER FRAUD? Sabotage of An American Carol and Its Opening-Week Numbers?
Mpower pictures and Vivendi are starting to hear complaints about sabotage of An American Carol by employees of theaters that are carrying the movie. So far, ten theaters have been implicated in outright fraud regarding this movie.
Obviously, the producers and distributors would like to get to the bottom of this and find out the extent of any fraud, but they need our help to determine whether the problem is systemic, or confined to a few theaters in a nationawide release.
What we know: in at least ten theaters nationwide, customers were sold tickets they were told were for An American Carol but turned out to be for other movies.
Obviously, this type of "error" sometimes requires collusion between employees--a way of marking the ticket so that you are sent to the correct theater, even though you've been sold the wrong ticket.
As the customer, you'd have to actually read your ticket to check and make sure you weren't an unwitting instrument of this fraud.
If you suspect that this might have happened when you went to see the movie, please go double-check your tickets. If they have the wrong movie title on them, please take a picture of them and send them to the investigative team at An American Carol: fraud -- AT -- AnAmericanCarol -- DOT -- com . Please place the original tickets in a safe place and fill out the info on the AAC fraud site. They may need your ticket as evidence.
I heard similar stories from callers on Larry Elders show in L.A. today.
Go see the movie!
Check your tickets and make sure the film makers are getting credit - and paid - for their hard work.
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Maximu§ Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:37:51pm |
re: #162 redc1c4
I still have your big aluminum chili pot you left at my house.
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Irene NYC Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:38:15pm |
re: #157 lummox
AS well it should, especially after this election.
Well, sweetie, I don't feel that the New York Sun deserved to close.
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Bobibutu Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:38:20pm |
re: #159 steve
re: #144 Bobibutu
I already read a lot online but, as I said before, (I must be old school) I still like sitting down and holding the paper in my hands. Just does not seem the same with a lot of copy paper tape together.
OK - for the funnies that's cool.
When I was a kid - POP the Comic Weekly was a radio program (pre TV in the SF Bay Area) that walked us thru the funnies and expanded on them. Sunday mornings were spent with the paper comics and the radio - very cool.
Sadly it's gone. So I think I understand.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:38:21pm |
re: #169 steve
Ozark Mountain Daredevil, thank you for the laugh. I needed it today.
Ya all have a wonderful night. I am off to bed.........
I'm not sure what I said that was funny, but you're welcome!
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Pvt Bin Jammin Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:38:35pm |
re: #171 Maximu§
It was cool. We were just so surprised. I'm sure it made plenty of people's day. I don't think the Marines are sending out those things.
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DeafDog Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:38:40pm |
re: #168 Cognito
Sounds like you might be reading the wrong papers, then. (See post 12.)
Nope. The WSJ had nothing special on Iraq from 1996-97. They still don't.
BTW - the situation is the same today on Afghanastan. Their is no newspaper or wireservice that has a good take on that situation.
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redc1c4 Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:38:50pm |
re: #165 Maximu§
Hey, I still have you Chili pot.
yeah, well, it's not going anywhere, is it?
/we don't get out much. %-)
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Cognito Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:39:00pm |
re: #163 Irene NYC
My grandmother subscribed to nine newspapers in five languages. She read each one cover to cover, as did my parents. They were printed from all corners of the earth. I remember there was this excitement attached to receiving them and an element of responsibility also. You were supposed to keep yourself well-informed. De rigeuer sort of thing.
That's neat.
One problem with the modern model -- aside from the lack of financial liability -- is that people are receiving information in slices. It's the same way the mortgage guys got us into the current economic mess, by slicing and bundling their goods so that the buyers never saw the whole picture.
Not that newspapers are always any better. But there has to be some feasible next thing. Either that or we're in big trouble.
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Maximu§ Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:39:49pm |
re: #180 Pvt Bin Jammin
It was cool. We were just so surprised. I'm sure it made plenty of people's day. I don't think the Marines are sending out those things.
Those Jarheads are so picky!
/
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Cognito Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:40:18pm |
re: #173 Irene NYC
I never bought that "citizen journalist" thang. Of course, the fact that that phrase reminded me of the French Revolution may have been the real reason for my distaste.
Ha.
Yeah. A 'citizen journalist' might soon go to prison for the recent Steve-Jobs-heart-attack debacle. Oops.
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Maximu§ Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:40:28pm |
re: #182 redc1c4
yeah, well, it's not going anywhere, is it?
/we don't get out much. %-)
Lets do a beerfest soon and I'll give it back to ya.
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Bobibutu Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:41:20pm |
re: #170 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
That's the one great thing I love about racing. No one is ever truly happy to finish second. They're just the first one to lose.
Adrenalin junkies - Unite! - Oh - I guess they have.
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krycek Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:41:30pm |
The problem facing newspapers is their readership is dying off. Young people just don't read newspapers.
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Maximu§ Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:41:31pm |
re: #182 redc1c4
Hey we're going to Fort Knox to visit my son in bootcamp this month.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:41:33pm |
re: #160 Dr. Shalit
"OMD" -
You are a youngster. The 5.7 liter Hemi translates to about 350 in the lord's own cubic inches. 6.1 liters is roughly 375 in cid. The first generation small block Chevy came in a 400 cid flavor for a number of years, my dad had one in a '71 Caprice.
-S-
Doc- I had a 66 Chevelle SS with a 427 big block, I think...and it was 496 HP.
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Cognito Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:41:49pm |
re: #181 DeafDog
Nope. The WSJ had nothing special on Iraq from 1996-97. They still don't.
BTW - the situation is the same today on Afghanastan. Their is no newspaper or wireservice that has a good take on that situation.
Yep. And it's a problem. Part of it is a function not so much of the newspapers -- I promise you the WSJ and their better colleagues would love to blanket Iraq and Afghanistan, if they could afford it -- but a function of this new style of war.
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Oldasdirt Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:41:59pm |
re: #152 Maximu§
Those retro muscle cars of the 60's and 70's bring back alot of memories of Wednesday night street races, a girlfirend who has zipper pants and good times.
1967 Pontiac GTO. 455CI--2-4barrels,13sec bracket points champ,Greenvalley raceway,Ft.Worth Texas 1975. Best times of my life.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:42:21pm |
re: #184 Maximu§
LOL We like 'em all. We are mostly a Marine Corps family but all of the other branches have been represented by family members too. It was a nice thing. We just had a chuckle.
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Cognito Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:43:57pm |
re: #189 krycek
The problem facing newspapers is their readership is dying off. Young people just don't read newspapers.
Sure they do. They just do it online. And that's fine, except no one has figured out how to make that model pay for itself.
As all those old readers die off, the funds go down. And so, then, does the coverage.
In the next few years I expect we'll see some vast frauds perpetrated that would have been uncovered by a healthy press. It's troubling.
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lummox Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:44:15pm |
re: #177 Irene NYC
Well, sweetie, I don't feel that the New York Sun deserved to close.
Well dearie, I didn't shut em down. A LOT of support might have helped.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:44:33pm |
re: #175 Racer X
Heads up everyone:
I heard similar stories from callers on Larry Elders show in L.A. today.
Go see the movie!
Check your tickets and make sure the film makers are getting credit - and paid - for their hard work.
Libs are losers. We all know that. Fuck'em.
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laZardo Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:45:52pm |
re: #152 Maximu§
Unfortunately, those fun times didn't last long, ushering in the era of econoboxes and - perhaps subsequently - the Rice (not Secretary) Era. Though the F-n-F'ers type of automotive entertainment doesn't sound all that different from what you described apart from the different taste in music and the lack of a back seat in their Civics.
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Irene NYC Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:46:31pm |
re: #183 Cognito
That's neat.
One problem with the modern model -- aside from the lack of financial liability -- is that people are receiving information in slices. It's the same way the mortgage guys got us into the current economic mess, by slicing and bundling their goods so that the buyers never saw the whole picture.
Not that newspapers are always any better. But there has to be some feasible next thing. Either that or we're in big trouble.
Do you think it's a conspiracy?
;)
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Meremortal Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:46:35pm |
re: #191 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Doc- I had a 66 Chevelle SS with a 427 big block, I think...and it was 496 HP.
Dang, I wonder what happened to my "Green Valley Champion" fender cover, circa 1967 ('59 Vette).
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DeafDog Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:46:46pm |
re: #192 Cognito
Yep. And it's a problem. Part of it is a function not so much of the newspapers -- I promise you the WSJ and their better colleagues would love to blanket Iraq and Afghanistan, if they could afford it -- but a function of this new style of war.
If they just embedded someone with the Army that would be enough. They don't want to do that because they think that's 'biased".....they are - in other words - assholes
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Spirit93 Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:46:49pm |
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solomonpanting Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:47:12pm |
re: #172 Adrenalyn
can someone do a timeline of what the fuck the Nazicrats have been up to since they took over Congress
I mean for example:
they were told, REPEATEDLY
by Greenspan and even real republicans (including the Pussident)
that Fannie, Freddie, etc. were in trouble
and they were shouted down by Maxine Waters, Chris Dodd, Barney Fife, etc...but all they did was what ?
fucking hearings on steroids in baseball ?
had a bunch of hollywood idiots parading in and speaking about their favorite topics
useless hearings on Bush, Cheney, Halliburton, etc.
After setting the stage for the mess we're in today, is it too much to ask for a truly 100% do-nothing Congress? The country would be in better shape if these jomocoes were paid to take eleven month vacations.
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opnion Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:48:04pm |
re: #197 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Libs are losers. We all know that. Fuck'em.
Yeah, the problem is that they have numbers & they are riding high.
If they can embrace Obama, what is too much for them?
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soccerdad Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:48:46pm |
re: #162 redc1c4
no offense, but most nurses i've met over the years are a little whack.
(the others are *really* whack. %-)
None taken. She is
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Cognito Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:49:16pm |
re: #199 Irene NYC
Do you think it's a conspiracy?
;)
Ha. A giant, multi-national -- and totally unwitting -- conspiracy. Of which I am a part, myself. I like to skim the news online myself.
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Racer X Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:49:20pm |
re: #197 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Libs are losers. We all know that. Fuck'em.
I agree. Fuck'em at the box office. America needs to see conservative movies doing well. What libs are doing here is skewing the numbers to make it look like An American Carol is doing poorly. Thats bullshit.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:49:29pm |
re: #193 Oldasdirt
1967 Pontiac GTO. 455CI--2-4barrels,13sec bracket points champ,Greenvalley raceway,Ft.Worth Texas 1975. Best times of my life.
I like the Dodge Superbee, myself. You could buy it off the showroom floor and race it at Daytona as you bought it, no modifications needed. How cool was that?
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Meremortal Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:50:57pm |
re: #193 Oldasdirt
1967 Pontiac GTO. 455CI--2-4barrels,13sec bracket points champ,Greenvalley raceway,Ft.Worth Texas 1975. Best times of my life.
oldasdirt,
My #200 was meant for you. Must be getting late.
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Irene NYC Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:51:03pm |
re: #196 lummox
Well dearie, I didn't shut em down. A LOT of support might have helped.
Why are you being so snarky? I was making the point that some quality media companies are also closing and that one shouldn't just lump all media in one group.
Stating the obvious - "A LOT of support might have helped" - I'm missing the point here. So, why don't you help me out because I must be too dumb to get it.
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pat Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:51:04pm |
The years of Blame America First have come home to roost.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:51:27pm |
re: #200 Meremortal
Dang, I wonder what happened to my "Green Valley Champion" fender cover, circa 1967 ('59 Vette).
Never heard of that. What is it?
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redc1c4 Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:51:48pm |
re: #174 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
When they roll out the 2010 Ford Pinto, Dodge Colt and Chevy Vega, be worried. Be VERY worried!
even if it's a Cosworth Twin Cam Vega?
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victor_yugo Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:51:59pm |
re: #203 solomonpanting
After setting the stage for the mess we're in today, is it too much to ask for a truly 100% do-nothing Congress? The country would be in better shape if these jomocoes were paid to take eleven month vacations.
Or, even better, if Congress were paid for only one month's work, and the other 11 months they had to go back and do real work like the rest of us.
Oh, wait, wasn't that the original intention anyway?
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Maximu§ Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:52:12pm |
re: #198 laZardo
Unfortunately, those fun times didn't last long, ushering in the era of econoboxes and - perhaps subsequently - the Rice (not Secretary) Era. Though the F-n-F'ers type of automotive entertainment doesn't sound all that different from what you described apart from the different taste in music and the lack of a back seat in their Civics.
Good point, also the cops have pretty much shut have down illegal street races and they even arrest the bystanders now..kids these days can't cruise, can't race, can't go to the drive in movie's....can't do s**t!
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:52:35pm |
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Adrenalyn Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:52:46pm |
re: #203 solomonpanting
holy fuck
you gave me a great idea
we elect teachers from now on
you know
those that can, do
those that can't, teach
we need some highly educated do-nothings and like to take long vacations and who is better than professional teachers for cripes sake
in other news, world markets are waking up happy and upward
a good erection first thing in the morning is not a bad thing
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Cognito Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:53:05pm |
re: #214 redc1c4
even if it's a Cosworth Twin Cam Vega?
The irony is that the American motor industry is dying just as it finally decided to turn out some sweet cars.
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redc1c4 Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:53:13pm |
re: #190 Maximu§
Hey we're going to Fort Knox to visit my son in bootcamp this month.
i was gonna ask how our Soldier is doing..... when does AIT start?
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RTLM Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:53:15pm |
Obama has 3 point lead on McCain.
NASHVILLE, Tennessee (Reuters) - Democrat Barack Obama has a narrow 3-point lead in the U.S. presidential race on Republican John McCain less than a month before the election, according to a Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby poll released on Tuesday.
Obama leads McCain among likely U.S. voters 48 percent to 45 percent in the national poll, which has a margin of error of 2.8 percentage points. Four percent of voters said they were still undecided in the November 4 election.
/Wha Haapin to the 8 point lead ?!
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Oldasdirt Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:53:58pm |
re: #210 Meremortal
oldasdirt,
My #200 was meant for you. Must be getting late.
Did you race at the valley in 67,,in Ft.Worth Texas?
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Adrenalyn Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:54:02pm |
re: #219 Cognito
The irony is that the American motor industry is dying just as it finally decided to turn out some sweet cars.
uh, I hope you're not including anything made by Chrysler
their cars/trucks are widely ridiculed as crap
cool "looking"
dreadful operating
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redc1c4 Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:54:08pm |
re: #219 Cognito
The irony is that the American motor industry is dying just as it finally decided to turn out some sweet cars.
no, the irony is that you have no clue as to what i'm talking about.
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solomonpanting Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:54:26pm |
re: #215 victor_yugo
Or, even better, if Congress were paid for only one month's work, and the other 11 months they had to go back and do real work like the rest of us.
Oh, wait, wasn't that the original intention anyway?
The Congressional motto should be that of a physician:
First, do no harm
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Cognito Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:54:45pm |
re: #223 Adrenalyn
uh, I hope you're not including anything made by Chrysler
their cars/trucks are widely ridiculed as crapcool "looking"
dreadful operating
No, no.
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Irene NYC Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:55:01pm |
re: #221 RTLM
Obama has 3 point lead on McCain.
/Wha Haapin to the 8 point lead ?!
The 9 point lead was too much of a stretch even for the left-wing media.
;)
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Cognito Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:55:15pm |
re: #224 redc1c4
no, the irony is that you have no clue as to what i'm talking about.
Wow.
All right.
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laZardo Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:55:29pm |
re: #216 Maximu§
That and the insurance rates are sky-high until I turn 25, at which point I'll probably have lost "the passion" if I'm still stuck on public transport by then.
/parents insist on staying in the passenger seat while I drive, and I can't own a car unless I'm insured too, hurrrrr ;_;
//on the other hand, the Light Rail system here really whooshes past Manila Rush Hour...
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Maximu§ Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:55:40pm |
re: #220 redc1c4
i was gonna ask how our Soldier is doing..... when does AIT start?
He's in his 6th week, so it should be starting real soon for a total of 16 weeks.
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michaelasher Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:56:27pm |
Speaking of newspapers --
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laZardo Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:56:43pm |
re: #174 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
If it's THIS Dodge Colt, then I'll happily start saving. (:
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lummox Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:56:48pm |
re: #211 Irene NYC
Seems obvious that the target audience for the Sun was getting their news from other sources. Very much like trying to get a leftist audience on AM radio. It was a valient effort though.
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Adrenalyn Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:57:06pm |
re: #225 solomonpanting
The Congressional motto should be that of a physician:
First, do no harm
the problem is
all they have fucking done is hearings on nonsense
steroids in baseball
celebrities and stem cell research
halliburton !
but nothing on the well-noted and looming fiscal crisis
the freaking GOP better put up some good boards on this and but quick
it's an area ripe for opportunity
then there is the Adrenalyn-scoop of all time
that Obama gets his money via the internet
(ok, easy)
but that he gets it from untraceable prepaid Visa type cards
I called this a generation ago and the GOP won't mention it
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:57:11pm |
re: #204 opnion
Yeah, the problem is that they have numbers & they are riding high.
If they can embrace Obama, what is too much for them?
I still believe that enough Americans realize the Obamessiah is full of shit and hates our country and McCain will win by a comfortable margin, and even some of those who claim to support Obambi will vote for McCain.
I posted this in an earlier thread, and someone referred to the "Bradley effect", which is exactly what I meant.
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Meremortal Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:57:54pm |
re: #213 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Never heard of that. What is it?
Apologies Ozark, I was trying to respond to oldasdirt, and somehow posted to you. It had to be gremlins. Green Valley Raceway was THE dragstrip for the Ft. Worth-Dallas area. Probably still is. If you won your class, you got a choice of a trophy or a nice red leather fender cover to protect your fender and hold your tools while you worked on your baby. The best part the big "Green Valley Champion" printed on it so anyone passing by would be impressed. I ran C Sportsman class.
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solomonpanting Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:58:06pm |
re: #227 Irene NYC
The 9 point lead was too much of a stretch even for the left-wing media.
;)
No mention of any state polls. Electoral votes, baby!
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Abu Al-Poopypants Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:58:06pm |
re: #158 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
/And it'll be difficult to put a computer in the bottom of a box and teach your puppy to shit on it.
I am not making this up -- I have a monitor that I also use as a TV, and my parrot flew over and took a big wet one right down Charlie Gibson's face when he was interviewing Sarah Palin on ABC News.
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soccerdad Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:58:43pm |
re: #225 solomonpanting
The Congressional motto should be that of a physician:
First, do no harm
Nice idea...but do you really think Pelosi and Frank think they are doing harm? NO! They think they are moving the country forward. and so do their constituents.
sigh.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:58:49pm |
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Oldasdirt Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:59:25pm |
re: #209 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
I like the Dodge Superbee, myself. You could buy it off the showroom floor and race it at Daytona as you bought it, no modifications needed. How cool was that?
I liked them all,,only won one championship in a GM product,,every other year I ran fords..Had some fast ones,,but broke alot..
Never tried a Dodge.But I did like em..426 Himi,,I only wish.
I did run an altered Lancia 61 model,,but had a 428 CJ in it,,ford 9 inch.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 6, 2008 10:59:36pm |
re: #208 Racer X
I agree. Fuck'em at the box office. America needs to see conservative movies doing well. What libs are doing here is skewing the numbers to make it look like An American Carol is doing poorly. Thats bullshit.
Of course, if EVERY ONE of their America-hating movies didn't suck ass at the box office this wouldn't be necessary, right?
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laZardo Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:00:03pm |
re: #219 Cognito
GM may yet be saved. They should pull the plug on Ford though. Keeping that Mk1 Focus alive when everyone ELSE has the Mk2 is a sign of mental deficiency on the managers' part.
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Abu Al-Poopypants Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:00:08pm |
Oh, I forgot to put quotes around "News" in my previous comment. I apologize for the inaccuracy.
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Meremortal Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:00:19pm |
re: #222 Oldasdirt
Did you race at the valley in 67,,in Ft.Worth Texas?
I did, '66 and '67 I think. Blue '59 Vette. Eddie Fagan was there with his Le Manster a lot, and the top gun was Gene Snow.
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soccerdad Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:00:31pm |
re: #235 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
I still believe that enough Americans realize the Obamessiah is full of shit and hates our country and McCain will win by a comfortable margin, and even some of those who claim to support Obambi will vote for McCain.
I posted this in an earlier thread, and someone referred to the "Bradley effect", which is exactly what I meant.
Welcome aboard. I've been saying that since he was the nominee. Click on my football.
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opnion Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:00:51pm |
re: #235 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
I still believe that enough Americans realize the Obamessiah is full of shit and hates our country and McCain will win by a comfortable margin, and even some of those who claim to support Obambi will vote for McCain.
I posted this in an earlier thread, and someone referred to the "Bradley effect", which is exactly what I meant.
Let's hope so, but this Obama thing is creepy & time is getting short.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:01:08pm |
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krycek Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:01:10pm |
Rep. Barney Frank said that Republican criticism of Democrats over the nation's housing crisis is a veiled attack on the poor that's racially motivated. All voters (the ones who pay taxes at least), regardless of their political stripe, should be furious with this idiot.
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Maximu§ Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:01:16pm |
re: #223 Adrenalyn
uh, I hope you're not including anything made by Chrysler
their cars/trucks are widely ridiculed as crapcool "looking"
dreadful operating
Nobody here should ever buy a front-wheel drive Chrysler...ever, never, ever,never, never, ever....never!
I owned a big green 4 door 1998 Chrysler LHS and it was the worst POS I ever owned. I finally parked it at the Ralphs praking lot and started beating it with the tire iron, I kicked in the highly polished front fender and found out it was'nt even metal, it was fiberglass.
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JacksonTn Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:01:40pm |
How are people selected to ask questions at the townhall debate? Are they screened ahead of time?
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solomonpanting Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:02:46pm |
re: #239 soccerdad
Nice idea...but do you really think Pelosi and Frank think they are doing harm?
Then I'd love to see a reporter stick a microphone in their faces and ask
"If you had to do it all over again, would you demand that sub-prime loans be made available to anyone?'"
Their response would be fodder for McPalin.
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Maximu§ Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:02:57pm |
re: #240 Pvt Bin Jammin
Wish him well, for us, and his friend too.
I was up late last night.....zzzzz.
Thanks, you bet I will.....go to sleep sleepy-head.
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Adrenalyn Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:03:01pm |
re: #246 soccerdad
Welcome aboard. I've been saying that since he was the nominee. Click on my football.
well, I have to admit my betting among friends is that McCain wins all 50 states in the electoral college
that people will really not vote Obama when the curtain is closed
/boy, I sure hope I am right
maybe I should promise to go to church or something if Obama loses
for a lifelong atheist, would that mean anything ?
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Oldasdirt Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:03:41pm |
re: #236 Meremortal
Apologies Ozark, I was trying to respond to oldasdirt, and somehow posted to you. It had to be gremlins. Green Valley Raceway was THE dragstrip for the Ft. Worth-Dallas area. Probably still is. If you won your class, you got a choice of a trophy or a nice red leather fender cover to protect your fender and hold your tools while you worked on your baby. The best part the big "Green Valley Champion" printed on it so anyone passing by would be impressed. I ran C Sportsman class.
Green Valley is sadly gone..Condo's.did not start to race there till 1973..but was there almost every weekend from 1965 or so..Gene Snow lived on my street in Poly area..
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redc1c4 Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:04:23pm |
re: #248 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Cosworth is Ford, Vega is Chevy... : )
you sure about that?
pink slip sure?
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redc1c4 Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:05:30pm |
re: #250 Maximu§
Nobody here should ever buy a front-wheel drive Chrysler...ever, never, ever,never, never, ever....never!
I owned a big green 4 door 1998 Chrysler LHS and it was the worst POS I ever owned. I finally parked it at the Ralphs praking lot and started beating it with the tire iron, I kicked in the highly polished front fender and found out it was'nt even metal, it was fiberglass.
that's what you get for shopping at R*lphs..... they're scum.
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Adrenalyn Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:05:42pm |
re: #250 Maximu§
Nobody here should ever buy a front-wheel drive Chrysler...ever, never, ever,never, never, ever....never!
I owned a big green 4 door 1998 Chrysler LHS and it was the worst POS I ever owned. I finally parked it at the Ralphs praking lot and started beating it with the tire iron, I kicked in the highly polished front fender and found out it was'nt even metal, it was fiberglass.
oh, I bought a Jeep Cherokee in the 80's around when Chysler bought them and it blew fucking up in the driveway the first day
lemon law, a joke
Detroit even told me to pound sand
so I took a big paper mache' lemon and parked in front of the major dealers
eventually they "settled"
fixed everything wrong, again (the list is too numerous for here) and gave us a 5 year addition to the warranty
we sold it the next week for a nice Japanese Acura
the one with the phallic looking shifter
(the wife's choice, not mine)
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Meremortal Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:05:52pm |
re: #255 Oldasdirt
Green Valley gone, that's sad. Ah well, those were the days. I just drove my little everyday '59 Vette over there and had fun. Most of my racing was done on the street.
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Abu Al-Poopypants Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:06:02pm |
I'm a pessimist, and I think that Obama will win decisively.
I also thought Halp Me John Cary would win, so there.
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pat Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:06:20pm |
re: #251 JacksonTn
How are people selected to ask questions at the townhall debate? Are they screened ahead of time?
Simple. All Republicans and those that ask question that require knowledge of what transpired a year before are asked to leave.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:06:58pm |
What's the deal with that poll? Is that pre-Palin-mentioning-Ayers or post?
It's still all about the individual states, though.
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laZardo Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:07:14pm |
All this car talk is giving me a craving for Gran Turismo. Or Grand Theft Auto.
Whichever game I can plop into the PS3 first. (: BBL.
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Inquisitive Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:08:25pm |
re: #221 RTLM
Obama has 3 point lead on McCain.
/Wha Haapin to the 8 point lead ?!
Call me dumb....but I just don't understand how these polls can even come close to saying who is ahead. How do they pick who they are going to poll on any given day or do they poll the same people each time. I know we have been called in past years and my hubby tells them it is none of their business who he is voting for.....how would they put that in the poll. What is to say that on any given day they just so happen to get hold of more Obama voters than McCain.....that doesn't mean there is not McCain voters out there.....maybe they just weren't there to be polled at the time. Does someone want to maybe enlighten me a little more on this subject?
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soccerdad Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:08:41pm |
re: #252 solomonpanting
Then I'd love to see a reporter stick a microphone in their faces and ask
"If you had to do it all over again, would you demand that sub-prime loans be made available to anyone?'"
Their response would be fodder for McPalin.
agree with the thought process Solomon. The (unfortunate) reality is Frank and whomever would say something non-committal and spin-worthy while actually VOTING Hell yes on something that keeps that friggin fraud going. effing jerkoffs. That is what they are.
I no longer think that Dems just think differently, but are still patriots. The way they think is dangerous to our union and our country.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:08:47pm |
re: #230 Maximu§
He's in his 6th week, so it should be starting real soon for a total of 16 weeks.
Thats cool! Thank him for us. I was just going through my Mom's photo albums (remember those?) and she had pics from my Navy Boot Camp graduation in San Diego.
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krycek Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:09:33pm |
re: #262 pat
Simple. All Republicans and those that ask question that require knowledge of what transpired a year before are asked to leave.
Anyone with a job is asked to leave. Anyone who still pays their mortgage is asked to leave. Anyone else?
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nightwatch Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:10:10pm |
Hello?
Damn, major havoc on previous thread.....where the hell did I leave my rifle? RealWest, could you be a pal and grab my bottle of 92' Sonoma Merlot? I think I left it in the horse barn during that last pistol exchange!
Thanks friend, that one was a pricey little bitch!
Night All...........:}
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Maximu§ Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:11:08pm |
re: #258 redc1c4
that's what you get for shopping at R*lphs..... they're scum.
My Ralphs store needs some new girls at the checkstands, the ones we have all have are all banged-up with wrist braces, neck braces, grey hair and mean faces from dealing with millions of customers since "1988"
They need to trade in those Hag's for some new girls....or else I just might shop at Albertsons.
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Price_of_Peace Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:11:17pm |
re: #9 wee fury
The New York Times belongs in an outhouse.
Problem is that it would leave a black residue if used.
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lummox Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:11:25pm |
Polls are taken between 7 am and 4 pm when real citizens are at work.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:11:55pm |
re: #232 laZardo
If it's THIS Dodge Colt, then I'll happily start saving. (:
LOL! Funny thing is we had a 1978 Dodge Colt, and it was made by Mitsubishi! I never thought about or knew back then that Mitsubishi Heavy Industries built the Japanese Zero WW2 fighter also.
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rawmuse Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:12:09pm |
re: #270 nightwatch
You are a Troll, as pleasant as a toothache. Reported.
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RTLM Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:13:05pm |
Barney (Fannie Fan) Frank had an intimate relationship with a male executive of Fannie Mae named Herb Moses.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Now that Fannie Mae is at the epicenter of a financial meltdown that threatens the U.S. economy, some are raising new questions about Frank's relationship with Herb Moses, who was Fannie’s assistant director for product initiatives. Moses worked at the government-sponsored enterprise from 1991 to 1998, while Frank was on the House Banking Committee, which had jurisdiction over Fannie.Both Frank and Moses assured the Wall Street Journal in 1992 that they took pains to avoid any conflicts of interest. Critics, however, remain skeptical.
/Can we just call it "Fannie Frank"?
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soccerdad Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:13:17pm |
re: #268 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Thats cool! Thank him for us. I was just going through my Mom's photo albums (remember those?) and she had pics from my Navy Boot Camp graduation in San Diego.
You graduated from San Diego? That goes a long way back....They closed a while ago. I was a div-o there from 89-92. Remember the Friday parade and the Thursday night deal in the theater? That was fun. I'll never forget the many, many moms and dads who thanked ME for the transformations. I always told them it was their sons who deserve the praise and admiration.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:13:27pm |
re: #236 Meremortal
Apologies Ozark, I was trying to respond to oldasdirt, and somehow posted to you. It had to be gremlins. Green Valley Raceway was THE dragstrip for the Ft. Worth-Dallas area. Probably still is. If you won your class, you got a choice of a trophy or a nice red leather fender cover to protect your fender and hold your tools while you worked on your baby. The best part the big "Green Valley Champion" printed on it so anyone passing by would be impressed. I ran C Sportsman class.
lol, no problem!
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Meremortal Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:13:37pm |
re: #263 Oldasdirt
Ford,,yes,,very much so..
The limited-edition 1975 to 1976 Cosworth Vega was a special performance version of the subcompact introduced long before cars like the Golf GTI or Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution. Only 2,062 were built the first year. It was fitted with a fuel-injected DOHC 2.0L 16-valve version of the engine designed by Cosworth Engineering in England, which was famous for its racing engines. This engine was known internally at Cosworth as Project EA. Built by Chevrolet at its Tonawanda engine plant, the engine was fed by Bendix electronic fuel injection controlled by a computer in the glove box. First planned in 1969, the first 1971 development engines delivered an impressive 180 bhp (130 kW). But when finally put into production, the 1975 engines produced only 120 bhp (89 kW). Chevrolet had originally planned to release the Cosworth Vega for the 1974 model year, but a burnt exhaust valve in a test engine caused the engine to fail the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's 50,000-mile emission control system durability test. This delayed the car's introduction until 1975.
The Cosworth Vega's exterior had special gold stripes and "COSWORTH TWIN CAM" lettering on the front fenders and rear cove panel. Interior changes included a gold engine-turned applique' on the instrument panel, a specific tachometer, and a plaque with the car's build sequence number. Also included were wide radial tires on gold-colored alloy wheels, anti-roll bars, and special exhaust with a dual-outlet tip. Air conditioning was not offered on the Cosworth Vega, due to interference between the induction system (specifically the air cleaner) and the air conditioner's evaporator case. At $5,916, it cost double a normal hatchback, and only $900 less than a Corvette. Car and Driver magazine would report "The 3.11 first gear matched to a 3.73 axle ratio makes the Cosworth Vega tough to launch from a stop". They measured 0-60 mph times of 8.7 seconds.
Hope this helps...it's from Wiki.
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Colonel Panik Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:14:03pm |
re: #149 victor_yugo
The Amazon Kindle and its ilk are getting better and more popular every year. And Esquire Magazine just published the world's first E-ink cover, which caused quite a stir where I work.
It isn't often I can point at something and say, with all certainty, "This is the wave of the future."
What kind of crack are you smoking? I've never seen anyone using one of those infernal things.
The very name of the damn thing brings to mind images of burning books and Ray Bradbury's "Fahrenheit 451".
Shudder.
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:14:57pm |
By some measures, I might be the top media-basher here at LGF. Even so, I usually refrain from piling on Cognito when he arouses the collective ire of the minions.
There is a good reason for this.
Newspapers, traditional print media, are not the problem in the media-industrial complex. Television news certainly is a joke, a very grim one, but it is TV news and its broadcast symbiotes, entertainment and advertising, that create and sustain the characteristic leftward bias within the internal culture of the media industry. Many print outlets conform to this bias, of course, since there is a great deal of cross-pollination between the various species of media, especially at the advertising end. But it is broadcast media that really set the agenda. It is much easier to find a non-leftist newspaper than it is to find a non-leftist TV channel. Even Fox News, which consciously tries to avoid a leftward bias, has drifted to the left as it has matured.
The reason for this is axiomatic: Leftward bias is inherent in the television medium.
TV news bypasses the intellect and appeals directly to the senses and the emotions. Its overall effect (and profitability) depends on such things as the physical appearance and authoritative voice of the reporter, the emotional effect of an orchestrated series of often searing images, the emotional cues in the voices and sounds coming from the speakers.
In contrast, reading a newspaper (even the National Enquirer) is an exercise of the intellect. Little marks on a chunk of processed wood are somehow converted into the most intricate concepts and visualizations.
In a society based on technology and an intricate system of laws, the inherently emotional message of television news is almost inescapably at odds with the social order. It is then, by definition, leftist and subversive. Unfortunately, it is also the best sales tool ever invented, since most advertisers do not want their products and services subjected to rigorous intellectual examination before a buying decision is made.
For more on this subject, see Thomas Frank's landmark cultural history: The Conquest of Cool; Business Culture, Counterculture, and the Rise of Hip Consumerism and "The medium is the message" (Marshall McLuhan, 1964)
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Maximu§ Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:15:03pm |
re: #259 Adrenalyn
Chrysler should be pronounced "Cry-sler", cause I cried all the way to the bank....one time as my wife did a 3-point turn around, the rack-and-pinion steering SNAPPED and broke. The factory said "thats impossible", but it happened, they would not cover it and it cost me $770 to fix. It was one of many breakdowns.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:15:08pm |
re: #238 Abu Al-Poopypants
I am not making this up -- I have a monitor that I also use as a TV, and my parrot flew over and took a big wet one right down Charlie Gibson's face when he was interviewing Sarah Palin on ABC News.
If there's a bird of the year honor, I'm voting for him (or her)!
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redc1c4 Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:15:19pm |
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opnion Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:16:03pm |
re: #276 RTLM
Barney (Fannie Fan) Frank had an intimate relationship with a male executive of Fannie Mae named Herb Moses.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
/Can we just call it "Fannie Frank"?
y,
I didn't see it, but didn't O'Riely report this tonight?
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JacksonTn Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:16:06pm |
re: #269 krycek
Anyone with a job is asked to leave. Anyone who still pays their mortgage is asked to leave. Anyone else?
Sounds about right ...... Obama Style.
The way I see the Obama financial solution is ...... if you don't pay taxes you will get a tax refund check from someone elses taxes ....... if you don't pay your mortgage and go bankrupt you can negotiate with the court to decrease your interest rate ...... I wish this was a joke but that is exactly what he wants. He has said he will revisit the bankruptcy laws so that people bailing on their mortgage and get better rates.
I just cannot wrap my head around that way of thinking. My head will explode before this election is over.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:16:21pm |
re: #241 Oldasdirt
I liked them all,,only won one championship in a GM product,,every other year I ran fords..Had some fast ones,,but broke alot..
Never tried a Dodge.But I did like em..426 Himi,,I only wish.
I did run an altered Lancia 61 model,,but had a 428 CJ in it,,ford 9 inch.
Are you an expert as far as Mopar cars are concerned?
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redc1c4 Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:18:05pm |
re: #272 Price_of_Peace
Problem is that it would leave a black residue if used.
well, that's still better than a brown one....... %-)
/white smoke
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:18:37pm |
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RTLM Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:18:50pm |
re: #266 Inquisitive
Call me dumb....but I just don't understand how these polls can even come close to saying who is ahead. How do they pick who they are going to poll on any given day or do they poll the same people each time. I know we have been called in past years and my hubby tells them it is none of their business who he is voting for.....how would they put that in the poll. What is to say that on any given day they just so happen to get hold of more Obama voters than McCain.....that doesn't mean there is not McCain voters out there.....maybe they just weren't there to be polled at the time. Does someone want to maybe enlighten me a little more on this subject?
Polls are what they are. Its said there are lies, DAMN lies and statistics. The reason this poll counts is because its within 30 days and that Rueters, Zogby and -Span are involved. Zogby has been an accurate poll thriught the last few elections
And all polls want to be right at the end of the day.
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Maximu§ Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:19:46pm |
Kolchack-The Night Stalker is on the Chiller channel....course most of you youngsters would'nt remember that show.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:19:51pm |
re: #287 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Are you an expert as far as Mopar cars are concerned?
I'm only asking because I have a question, and it would take a Dodge fanatic/expert to answer.
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spidly Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:20:21pm |
re: #12 Cognito
Unfortunately newspapers are still the very best we've got.
Painful, I know, but there it is. Television is a joke. Blogs have no money.
The trick is finding a good paper and learning its strengths and weaknesses. I suggest starting with the Wall Street Journal, which I'll say -- again -- did its level best to warn of the current financial implosion, for years.
there's got to be some kind of hardcopy. the interweb memory hole makes all that soviet style revision Kos to MSM engage in way too easy
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Oldasdirt Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:20:49pm |
re: #276 RTLM
Barney (Fannie Fan) Frank had an intimate relationship with a male executive of Fannie Mae named Herb Moses.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
/Can we just call it "Fannie Frank"?
Barney is in trouble now,he got splanin to do.
splanin=cuban for explaining,,I loved Lucy.
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Bobibutu Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:21:59pm |
re: #282 Maximu§
Chrysler should be pronounced "Cry-sler", cause I cried all the way to the bank....one time as my wife did a 3-point turn around, the rack-and-pinion steering SNAPPED and broke. The factory said "thats impossible", but it happened, they would not cover it and it cost me $770 to fix. It was one of many breakdowns.
Hmmm ... I had a Cordoba .. I think a 77 or 78 vintage ... carried me fine for a good number of years - no problems - and a rocket when needed.
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RTLM Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:22:12pm |
re: #285 opnion
y,
I didn't see it, but didn't O'Riely report this tonight?
Yes, he did. I saw this earlier, but laughed it off as so much bait. But its not bait.
Its a mound of fresh red meat.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:22:38pm |
re: #263 Oldasdirt
Ford,,yes,,very much so..
Then I apologize. The words "Ford" and "Cosworth" were always associated with me.
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JacksonTn Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:23:03pm |
re: #280 Colonel Panik
What kind of crack are you smoking? I've never seen anyone using one of those infernal things.
The very name of the damn thing brings to mind images of burning books and Ray Bradbury's "Fahrenheit 451".
Shudder.
I just looked it up ......... I cannot figure it out.....
[Link: www.structuralgraphics.com...]
[Link: www.boston.com...]
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Price_of_Peace Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:23:06pm |
re: #119 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Of course, dragsters do 325 mph for about 1300 feet. Indy cars can run at 225 mph for 500 miles or more.
/Just sayin'...
Different "strokes" for different folks, right? A dragster has to tame the beast and the Indy driver has to drive in "road rage" traffic for 500 miles. Sounds like fun either way.
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:23:57pm |
re: #291 Maximu§
Kolchack-The Night Stalker is on the Chiller channel....course most of you youngsters would'nt remember that show.
Not a bad show. Ahead of its time in some respects
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victor_yugo Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:24:25pm |
re: #280 Colonel Panik
What kind of crack are you smoking? I've never seen anyone using one of those infernal things.
Why don't you just change your nick to "Pauline Kael"?
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opnion Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:24:25pm |
re: #296 RTLM
Yes, he did. I saw this earlier, but laughed it off as so much bait. But its not bait.
Its a mound of fresh red meat.
r
If this is true frank has a serious cionfict of interest, but he can scream gat bashing.
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SurferDoc Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:24:40pm |
re: #55 Maximu§
Story of my life...I have a new 08 Mustang in the garage, but I don't want it anymore. This new Dodge Challenger looks awesome.
Have a 2000 GT. Had a 1990 notchback coupe, former CHP pursuit. Mustangs Forever!
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Bobibutu Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:24:59pm |
re: #297 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Then I apologize. The words "Ford" and "Cosworth" were always associated with me.
Cosworth taught engines how to breathe - they were the innovators in their day.
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opnion Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:25:15pm |
re: #302 opnion
r
If this is true frank has a serious cionfict of interest, but he can scream gat bashing.
I mean "Gay Bashing"
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JacksonTn Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:25:34pm |
re: #302 opnion
r
If this is true frank has a serious cionfict of interest, but he can scream gat bashing.
Barney and Maxine are the two most comical idiots in congress. They absolutely remind me of cartoon characters.
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krycek Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:25:43pm |
Any updates on the Palin email hack? Is the FBI waiting until after the election to make an arrest?
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:27:08pm |
re: #307 krycek
Any updates on the Palin email hack? Is the FBI waiting until after the election to make an arrest?
I believe they brought in folks for questioning, gave them a stern talking thru and let them go. Havent heard anything else.
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Cognito Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:27:20pm |
But soft, what light through yonder window breaks?
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victor_yugo Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:27:28pm |
re: #290 RTLM
Polls are what they are. Its said there are lies, DAMN lies and statistics. The reason this poll counts is because its within 30 days and that Rueters, Zogby and -Span are involved. Zogby has been an accurate poll thriught the last few elections
And all polls want to be right at the end of the day.
The signal:noise ratio is going to get worse, not better, the closer we get to the vote. From here on out, probably the only poll worth watching for is the Weekly Reader poll, where kids show what their parents are saying in private.
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Oldasdirt Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:27:46pm |
re: #287 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Are you an expert as far as Mopar cars are concerned?
I know a little about all muscle cars,,I grew up with them,,but an expert..no.
I had a 61 Dodge Lancer with a ford motor in it....Opps..i did say lancia,,sorry.
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redc1c4 Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:28:00pm |
re: #271 Maximu§
My Ralphs store needs some new girls at the checkstands, the ones we have all have are all banged-up with wrist braces, neck braces, grey hair and mean faces from dealing with millions of customers since "1988"
They need to trade in those Hag's for some new girls....or else I just might shop at Albertsons.
that's because the stores treat & pay the new employees poorly, so they don't stay and the older folks are just hanging on, due to years served, and the lack of alternatives. the wrist braces are mostly from repetitive motion injuries, and i'd guess the rest are from lifting wrong from the checkout station design
a dirty secret of the industry is that the west coast, and particularly California, generates higher profits than supermarkets in the rest of the country, so the national chains do all they can here to squeeze out every cent they can for the corporate bottom line.
i w*rked at R*alphs corporate HQ for 6 months, and i can tell you first hand, they treat all their employees like scum. BTW: did you know that when you get a flu shot there, at least half of your price is pure profit?
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victor_yugo Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:28:31pm |
re: #309 Cognito
But soft, what light through yonder window breaks?
Better light than a stray baseball.
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Oldasdirt Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:28:42pm |
re: #297 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Then I apologize. The words "Ford" and "Cosworth" were always associated with me.
Me to,,but i do remember a Vega now..that was some years back.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:29:27pm |
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nightwatch Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:29:47pm |
re: #275 rawmuse
WHAT? Can't a guy get any sleep around here without the garbage trucks
thumping around with union drivers who don't give no shit NO HOW?
You are now my MOST favorite tool.....FOOL!
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redc1c4 Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:29:51pm |
re: #292 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
I'm only asking because I have a question, and it would take a Dodge fanatic/expert to answer.
ask away: you might get lucky
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Price_of_Peace Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:31:09pm |
re: #309 Cognito
But soft, what light through yonder window breaks?
What a bundle of positive energy this brings.
///
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victor_yugo Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:31:32pm |
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opnion Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:32:12pm |
re: #310 victor_yugo
The signal:noise ratio is going to get worse, not better, the closer we get to the vote. From here on out, probably the only poll worth watching for is the Weekly Reader poll, where kids show what their parents are saying in private.
If anybody doubts what depths that the MSM can sink to, think Rather & Mapes.
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Price_of_Peace Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:32:35pm |
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Cognito Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:33:45pm |
re: #320 Price_of_Peace
What a bundle of positive energy this brings.
///
Well. It's only a glimmer, but it's something. Australia Fair.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:34:13pm |
re: #291 Maximu§
Kolchack-The Night Stalker is on the Chiller channel....course most of you youngsters would'nt remember that show.
The movie or the series, Max?
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nightwatch Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:35:21pm |
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Inquisitive Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:35:26pm |
I am looking at USATODAY poll tracker......they have three states that are gray(N.D/S.D/Ark).....which means..not enough data. Why? Are they not polling in those states...What states are they polling in. Is it just the ones they think are battle states?
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Colonel Panik Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:35:51pm |
re: #259 Adrenalyn
we sold it the next week for a nice Japanese Acura
the one with the phallic looking shifter(the wife's choice, not mine)
I just bought a 1992 Integra. It was a snowbird car, single owner. It only has 92k miles on it. It's hard to find one of those that hasn't been all boy racer'd out by the Fast and Furious import tuner crowd so I snapped it up. The interior is immaculate.
Always liked the looks of that body style Integra. Clean lines.
And the dashbord layout is as close to ergonomically perfect as any car I've ever owned, including SAABs which are supposed to be the bees knees as far as cabin ergonomics are concerned due to their aviation lineage.
I drove it out to Goodyear from Ahwatukee 2 weeks ago on the I-10 to visit a customer as I wanted to check the freeway mileage as I had only been using it for grocery trips and trips to the Y to swim. I got 36mpg on that trip varying from about 35-45 mph in bumper to bumper traffic to 70-75 with the cruise control on. Not bad for a 16 year old car.
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markie Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:35:56pm |
re: #288 redc1c4
well, that's still better than a brown one....... %-)
/white smoke
The new soy inks don't rub off...wipe with gusto.
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spidly Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:35:59pm |
re: #276 RTLM
Barney (Fannie Fan) Frank had an intimate relationship with a male executive of Fannie Mae named Herb Moses.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
/Can we just call it "Fannie Frank"?
Herb Moses is an awesome name though
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:36:07pm |
re: #295 Bobibutu
Hmmm ... I had a Cordoba .. I think a 77 or 78 vintage ... carried me fine for a good number of years - no problems - and a rocket when needed.
Must have the "Fine Corinthian Leather" as Ricardo Montoban said in the commercials! : )
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victor_yugo Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:36:26pm |
re: #322 opnion
I'm not talking about the reporting of the numbers, I'm talking only about the numbers themselves and how meaningful they are. For example, take a look at the Ohio 2004 polling trends. The closer to Election Day, the noisier the numbers got.
Remember, there's only one poll that truly matters.
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Colonel Panik Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:37:54pm |
re: #331 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Must have the "Fine Corinthian Leather" as Ricardo Montoban said in the commercials! : )
LOL! You beat me to it.
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Bobibutu Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:39:11pm |
re: #331 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Must have the "Fine Corinthian Leather" as Ricardo Montoban said in the commercials! : )
Yep - light tan - loved the car.
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RTLM Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:39:38pm |
re: #310 victor_yugo
The signal:noise ratio is going to get worse, not better, the closer we get to the vote. From here on out, probably the only poll worth watching for is the Weekly Reader poll, where kids show what their parents are saying in private.
They've been right 12 for 13. We'll see that one on October 29th.
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Adrenalyn Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:39:54pm |
re: #266 Inquisitive
Call me dumb....but I just don't understand how these polls can even come close to saying who is ahead. How do they pick who they are going to poll on any given day or do they poll the same people each time. I know we have been called in past years and my hubby tells them it is none of their business who he is voting for.....how would they put that in the poll. What is to say that on any given day they just so happen to get hold of more Obama voters than McCain.....that doesn't mean there is not McCain voters out there.....maybe they just weren't there to be polled at the time. Does someone want to maybe enlighten me a little more on this subject?
I'll take this one.....
say you want a pro-Obama poll
ok, cool
we'll dial in on random numbers in say the 510 area code
that's Oakland - you know, Cleveland on the Coast
or Detroit by the bay
or we dial in maybe the 213 area code
South Central L.A.
but don't ever just dial a random10 digit number, hell no
you gotta pick the area code you want
and maybe even a prefix within that code to really narrow down to the neighborhood
ya know the old saying
all politics is local
well, so is polling
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:41:29pm |
I'm bringing this up from downstairs because I'm not letting this go unchecked:
re: #451 Cognito
I haven't said that.My point is that people are confusing private and public utilities.
You can be angry at your newspaper for not uncovering the financial mess. (Although you may blame yourself, as well, for not reading the right paper, such as the WSJ for one.) But your anger cannot extend beyond your subscription price. Papers are merely private enterprises created for profit.
Now. The public utility -- the one not created for profit, but for direct governmental representation -- bears the responsibility of unearthing the financial crisis not because it wants your subscription, but because its whole purpose is oversight.
In other words: Papers owe it to themselves and their bottom line to do a good job. The Senate owes it to you.
Wait- what? The press has been given special protection by the Constitution to be a pivotal player in helping the American public keep an eye on Government, and you try to push this off on us?! How are the American people supposed to be able to hold Congress and/or the President accountable if the press doesn't assist us in keeping us informed?
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Adrenalyn Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:41:34pm |
re: #328 Colonel Panik
I just bought a 1992 Integra. It was a snowbird car, single owner. It only has 92k miles on it. It's hard to find one of those that hasn't been all boy racer'd out by the Fast and Furious import tuner crowd so I snapped it up. The interior is immaculate.
Always liked the looks of that body style Integra. Clean lines.
And the dashbord layout is as close to ergonomically perfect as any car I've ever owned, including SAABs which are supposed to be the bees knees as far as cabin ergonomics are concerned due to their aviation lineage.I drove it out to Goodyear from Ahwatukee 2 weeks ago on the I-10 to visit a customer as I wanted to check the freeway mileage as I had only been using it for grocery trips and trips to the Y to swim. I got 36mpg on that trip varying from about 35-45 mph in bumper to bumper traffic to 70-75 with the cruise control on. Not bad for a 16 year old car.
heck, I have a 27 year old bike with under 10,000 miles on it
I am the original owner and it's never been crashed
'course I have some newer ones too
some Japanese, and American
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Cognito Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:42:38pm |
re: #337 Sharmuta
I'm bringing this up from downstairs because I'm not letting this go unchecked:
re: #451 Cognito
Wait- what? The press has been given special protection by the Constitution to be a pivotal player in helping the American public keep an eye on Government, and you try to push this off on us?! How are the American people supposed to be able to hold Congress and/or the President accountable if the press doesn't assist us in keeping us informed?
Thank heavens you didn't let that go 'unchecked.'
Whew!
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victor_yugo Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:43:25pm |
re: #328 Colonel Panik
I got that beat.
I got a Honda in 1998, from its first owner. He kept very good records on it, so I could see that about 5,000 miles from new, it got 42 mpg. When he sold it to me, with 87K miles on it, it got 42 mpg. Pretty good.
When I moved back to the Midwest from California in 2006, I had the car packed down with about 2/3 of my worldly possessions. I'm not kidding when I say it got 46 mpg on that trip. I ran the numbers three times, to make sure I didn't screw them up. I had a hard time believing that so much weight didn't keep it from getting such stellar mileage.
It now has 261K miles on it. I'll never again in my life get such a good return on a $2,500 investment.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:43:35pm |
re: #339 Cognito
Answer me. How is the American public supposed to hold Washington accountable ifthe press isn't our watchdog?
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rednaxela Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:43:49pm |
Here's the video of McCain in Alburquerque.
Much much better when he's fighting. He should have known that after the last 3 minutes of his RNC speech. So why not do it more often, dog gonnit.
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Cognito Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:44:22pm |
re: #341 Sharmuta
Answer me. How is the American public supposed to hold Washington accountable ifthe press isn't our watchdog?
Of course the press should be a watchdog, Sharmuta. Once again you've either spectacularly missed the point, or you're purposefully trying.
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Adrenalyn Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:44:48pm |
re: #301 victor_yugo
Why don't you just change your nick to "Pauline Kael"?
I vote for Tawney Kitaen
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rednaxela Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:46:16pm |
re: #337 Sharmuta
IIRC the Supreme Court does not make distinctions between freedom of the press and freedom of speech.
And indeed, they shouldn't. Otherwise all of us here on this blog might be more restricted in what we can say than CBS and NBC and NYT and all those asswipes.
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Inquisitive Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:46:34pm |
re: #336 Adrenalyn
I'll take this one.....
say you want a pro-Obama poll
ok, cool
we'll dial in on random numbers in say the 510 area code
that's Oakland - you know, Cleveland on the Coast
or Detroit by the bayor we dial in maybe the 213 area code
South Central L.A.but don't ever just dial a random10 digit number, hell no
you gotta pick the area code you want
and maybe even a prefix within that code to really narrow down to the neighborhoodya know the old saying
all politics is local
well, so is polling
So.....you are saying that those that are doing the polling are not really fair on their polling.....they are picking who that want to win.....and hopefully people will see this and say.....Why I might as well vote for that person because he must be the best or there wouldn't be so many other people going to vote for him/her like the polls are saying they are going to. Why everyone wants to vote for the winner....so they vote for who the polls show are ahead. I have never believed in the polls....but after everyone talking about them and I thought I would give it some more thought.....but I guess I was right from the start not to believe in them.
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spidly Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:46:57pm |
what really gets me is a huge portion of the Jewish community will read the rags and see stories about zionazis slaughtering helpless jordyptians and baking Mo al-Durrah into matzos, and get upset at the lies
BUT
stories of bushitler and his oil stealing stormtroopers ravaging the world - TRUE! - we saw it in the Times!
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Adrenalyn Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:46:59pm |
re: #341 Sharmuta
Answer me. How is the American public supposed to hold Washington accountable ifthe press isn't our watchdog?
um, let me help you - spelling was always my forte' dear poster
the press is the guarddog of the democrat party
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Colonel Panik Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:47:14pm |
re: #301 victor_yugo
Why don't you just change your nick to "Pauline Kael"?
Seriously, dude, I've never seen anyone with one of the damn things and I spend a lot of time in major hub airports like Phoenix and Denver where people are carrying every type of electronic gizmo imaginable.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:47:18pm |
re: #343 Cognito
Was this your point?
Papers owe it to themselves and their bottom line to do a good job. The Senate owes it to you.
So in other words- you're just making more excuses for the press.
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victor_yugo Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:47:31pm |
re: #337 Sharmuta
Wait- what? The press has been given special protection by the Constitution to be a pivotal player in helping the American public keep an eye on Government, and you try to push this off on us?! How are the American people supposed to be able to hold Congress and/or the President accountable if the press doesn't assist us in keeping us informed?
Ask anyone at the New York Slimes how much they've kept an eye on GWB.
As for neglecting their Constitutionally-protected jobs, market forces are supposed to take care of that.
Face it, the Constitution is their protector, but the American consumer is their enabler.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:48:10pm |
re: #351 victor_yugo
Ask anyone at the New York Slimes how much they've kept an eye on GWB.
As for neglecting their Constitutionally-protected jobs, market forces are supposed to take care of that.
Face it, the Constitution is their protector, but the American consumer is their enabler.
The press is the enabler of the democratic money cult in Congress.
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Mel Lono Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:48:17pm |
re: #291 Maximu§
Kolchack-The Night Stalker is on the Chiller channel....course most of you youngsters would'nt remember that show.
The Brain that wouldnt Die.
Oh I'm old enough to remember this one. Scared the Bejesus out of me at 6 yrs. old.
p.s don't look in the closet.
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Cognito Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:48:56pm |
re: #350 Sharmuta
Was this your point?
So in other words- you're just making more excuses for the press.
No, Sharmuta.
You plucked a comment from a back-and-forth between me and someone else on another thread, transplanted it here, and expect me to explain it to you. You can either sort it out, being fully capable, or you can consult the original thread for any follow-ups.
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Adrenalyn Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:50:02pm |
re: #346 Inquisitive
not just that, but I've not seen anyone else call that aspect of unfair polling
most folks will tell you it is the way the question is posed
such as:
dear ____:
given that Bush kicks puppies every morning on the way to get the paper
would you vote for him or Kerry, who was a veterinarian before he became a senator
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:50:25pm |
re: #319 redc1c4
ask away: you might get lucky
There's a guy about a mile from me that has a little "junkyard". He has what looks to be a wrecked 1969 Dodge Daytona- Here's what it looked like back then- [Link: www.get-in2.com...] The car he has is missing the front end, but I've only seen it driving along the highway. I saw one of these cars sell for about $800,000 restored on Speedchannel, so I figure even this partial car might be valuable.
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victor_yugo Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:51:20pm |
re: #349 Colonel Panik
Seriously, dude, I've never seen anyone with one of the damn things and I spend a lot of time in major hub airports like Phoenix and Denver where people are carrying every type of electronic gizmo imaginable.
So? Pauline Kael didn't know anyone who voted for Nixon, either. And I've never seen a million dollars in cash.
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Syrah Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:51:24pm |
There are ways to make the polls work for you.
Seriously, ignore the polls.
Make sure to get everyone that you know who will vote for McCain to the polls on the first Tuesday, November 4th and every one you know who will vote for Obama to the polls on the 2nd Tuesday, November the 11th. ;-)
Getting out the vote is what will make or break this election.
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stuiec Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:52:27pm |
re: #23 laZardo
The Wayside Chapel
An English schoolteacher, was in Switzerland and looking for a room to rent for when she would begin her teaching there the following fall. She asked the schoolmaster if he would recommed any. He took her to see several rooms, and when everything was settled she returned home to make final preparations for the move. When she arrived home, the thought suddenly occured to her that she had not seen a Water Closet (toilet) around the place. She immediately wrote a note to the schoolmaster asking him if there was a "W.C." near the room.
The schoolmaster was a poor master of english so he asked the parish priest about the meaning of the letters "W.C." and the only solution they could come up with for the letters was "Wayside Chapel". The schoolmaster then wrote the following note to the English lady seeking a "W.C." with her room.
Dear Madam: I take great comfort in informing you that a "W.C." is situated nine miles from the house in the corner of a beautiful grove of pine trees, surrounded by lovely grounds. It is capable of holding 229 people, and it is open on Sundays and Thursdays only. As there are a great many people expected during the summer months, I would suggest that you come early, although there is usually plenty of standing room. This is an unfortunate situation, particularly if you are in the habit of going regularly. You will no doubt be glad to hear that a good many bring their lunch and make a day of it, while others, who can't afford to go by car, arrive just in time. I would especially advise your ladyship to go on Thursdays when there is an organ accompaniest. The acoustics are excellent and even the most delicate sounds can be heared everywhere. It may interest you to know that my daughter was married in the "W.C." and it was there that she met her husband. I can remember the rush there was for seats. There were ten people to a seat usually reserved for one, and it was wonderful to see the expression on their faces.
The newest attraction is a bell, donated by a wealthy resident of the district, which rings every time a person enters. A Bazaar is to be held to raise money for plush seats for all, since the people believe it is a long felt want. My wife is rather delicate so she can't go regularly: it is almost a year since she went last. Naturally it pains her not to be able to go more often. I shall be delighted to reserve the best seat for you, if you wish, where you will be seen by all. For the children there is a special time so that they will not disturb the elders.
Hoping to have been of some service to you, I remain,
Sincerely, The Schoolmaster
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stuiec Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:55:06pm |
re: #54 Cognito
Sorry, no. Those wonderful WSJ stories you can get online are paid for by the print side.
Post 12 still stands.
You mean, my subscription to the online edition doesn't count?
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Cognito Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:55:37pm |
re: #362 stuiec
You mean, my subscription to the online edition doesn't count?
Are they still doing that? I thought they'd done away with it.
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Mel Lono Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:56:32pm |
re: #359 stuiec
Interesting story. This is my favorite, very local, WC.
Wayfarers Chapel
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Oriculum Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:57:47pm |
re: #355 Adrenalyn
dear ____:
given that Bush kicks puppies every morning on the way to get the paper
would you vote for him or Kerry, who was a veterinarian before he became a senator
<moonbat> That's obviously a lie... Bush can't read! </moonbat>
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Colonel Panik Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:58:28pm |
re: #357 victor_yugo
So? Pauline Kael didn't know anyone who voted for Nixon, either. And I've never seen a million dollars in cash.
The Pauline Kael analogy just isn't appropriate.
Point being, if the Kindle (g_d I hate that name!) was as popular and trendy as you claim it to be, surely I would have seen someone carrying one by now in a major airport, where people are always using laptops, PDAs, cellphones, iPods etc. The damn thing has been on the market for nearly a year now, and I have yet to see one other than on Amazon's website.
Is Amazon paying you to pimp it?
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 6, 2008 11:59:15pm |
re: #361 Cognito
Dillhole- one person called you on that bullshit and said about the same thing I did and this was your brilliant follow-up:
Of course. Hypocrisy and propagandizing always deserve revulsion. But to say the media caused the current economic meltdown is risible.
No one blamed the media for this financial crisis. What the media was blamed for was not helping the American people understand it, to which now you're trying to pin on the Senate. As if the democrat controlled Senate is going to investigate this without public outcry, which is difficult for the public to muster if they're not aware of the problem or don't understand it.
So tonight you've shoved msm responsibility for the lack of the public's information on this situation onto the public for not reading the WSJ and the Senate.
You are scum.
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:00:27am |
re: #367 Sharmuta
Dillhole- one person called you on that bullshit and said about the same thing I did and this was your brilliant follow-up:
No one blamed the media for this financial crisis. What the media was blamed for was not helping the American people understand it, to which now you're trying to pin on the Senate. As if the democrat controlled Senate is going to investigate this without public outcry, which is difficult for the public to muster if they're not aware of the problem or don't understand it.
So tonight you've shoved msm responsibility for the lack of the public's information on this situation onto the public for not reading the WSJ and the Senate.
You are scum.
Wow. All right.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:00:35am |
re: #363 Cognito
Are they still doing that? I thought they'd done away with it.
You mean you're not informed on this issue? Call your Senators and demand an investigation!
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:01:15am |
re: #369 Sharmuta
You mean you're not informed on this issue? Call your Senators and demand an investigation!
thanks
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Oldasdirt Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:02:23am |
re: #356 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
There's a guy about a mile from me that has a little "junkyard". He has what looks to be a wrecked 1969 Dodge Daytona- Here's what it looked like back then- [Link: www.get-in2.com...] The car he has is missing the front end, but I've only seen it driving along the highway. I saw one of these cars sell for about $800,000 restored on Speedchannel, so I figure even this partial car might be valuable.
Has the one in junkyard got the wing?
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:03:45am |
re: #337 Sharmuta
I'm bringing this up from downstairs because I'm not letting this go unchecked:
re: #451 Cognito
Wait- what? The press has been given special protection by the Constitution to be a pivotal player in helping the American public keep an eye on Government, and you try to push this off on us?! How are the American people supposed to be able to hold Congress and/or the President accountable if the press doesn't assist us in keeping us informed?
A conundrum if I ever heard one. But that's the problem. When the press stops being the inquisitors, and starts being cheerleaders, then all their credibility is gone.
And all their credibility died in 2008.
The funny/sad thing is they don't seem to care, but like you had pointed out earlier, it will only lead to less and less people trusting what they read, so newspaper sales will decline.
They don't seem to understand that by losing all objectivity, they're hanging themselves.
Who was it who said something like if your enemy is going to hang themselves, by all means get out of the way and let them do it?
Good riddance, Main Stream Media. I'll love watching you all die a slow and painful death while you're asking each other "what happened?"
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victor_yugo Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:05:18am |
re: #366 Colonel Panik
It does not show you in a strong position, that the best counter-argument you can come up with is to accuse me of vested interest. Will you next suggest I change my nick to "Gwen Ifill"?
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Mel Lono Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:05:29am |
re: #366 Colonel Panik
From what I gathered in 2 minutes scrolling, Kindle is an ebook touted by Amazon that has virtually no readership, correct? And no prospects for an upgrade in the next year. Move on, not org.
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:07:07am |
re: #377 Sharmuta
You are a hypocrite and propagandist.
Sounds good to me. Thank you for helping me see it.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:07:50am |
re: #350 Sharmuta
Was this your point?
So in other words- you're just making more excuses for the press.
Nope, he's a moron. Always has been, always will be. One who likes to argue for the sake of arguing.
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:09:17am |
re: #379 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Nope, he's a moron. Always has been, always will be. One who likes to argue for the sake of arguing.
By all means, take a glance over this little argument, which started in post 337, and please reconfirm who's arguing.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:09:37am |
re: #378 Cognito
Sounds good to me. Thank you for helping me see it.
You're also a liar. I wish you did see it, but you refuse to. THAT is why I called you lazy earlier. If I were you , I'd expect continued difficult times for your beloved msm. The people are waking up to the bias and will find alternatives.
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capitalist piglet Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:09:44am |
Just in case no one has been on this yet, hell has frozen over. CNN reports on Obama and Ayers, and there were actually a couple of things in here that were new to me. It's actually a decent report, illustrating pretty well that Obama is a liar. Anderson Cooper, of course, tries to pinch hit for Obama, but his defense is weak.
Of course, it's pretty late, I'm tired, and maybe I've just fallen asleep and I'm having a dream.
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:09:54am |
re: #381 Sharmuta
You're also a liar. I wish you did see it, but you refuse to. THAT is why I called you lazy earlier. If I were you , I'd expect continued difficult times for your beloved msm. The people are waking up to the bias and will find alternatives.
Hmm. Yes.
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victor_yugo Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:09:56am |
re: #374 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
When the press stops being the inquisitors, and starts being cheerleaders, then all their credibility is gone.
Interesting story: At a 2004 panel discussion about a recent tech-sector lawsuit, a Brit commented that nowhere but in the USA had he ever seen the press stand up and applaud at the end of a news conference.
And all their credibility died in
200819801968.
Better.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:10:10am |
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:12:19am |
re: #380 Cognito
By all means, take a glance over this little argument, which started in post 337, and please reconfirm who's arguing.
I'm the argumentative one, but that still leaves you as the moron.
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:12:43am |
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stuiec Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:12:58am |
re: #281 Shiplord Kirel
Newspapers are less and less able to afford reporters, and certainly far less able to afford bureaux in other cities and countries.
Thus they rely on the Associated Press as a means to gather news collectively.
And the Associated Press reports the news with a decided slant to the left, and a good deal of editorializing within its 'hard news' stories.
No matter what the editorial philosophy of a particular newspaper, if it relies on AP stories to fill its news pages, it appears to its readers to have a left bias.
(That doesn't explain the left bias on the news pages of the Wall Street Journal -- that came from the 'leadership' of guys like Al Hunt. One wonders why the editorial side never cracked down on the news side to force them to be, at a bare minimum, unbiased.)
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:13:15am |
re: #380 Cognito
By all means, take a glance over this little argument, which started in post 337, and please reconfirm who's arguing.
Start at 337? Are you friggin' kidding me? I can go back months...337?
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:14:09am |
re: #389 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Start at 337? Are you friggin' kidding me? I can go back months...337?
And yet, you have only to go back to 337 if you care to.
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spidly Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:14:12am |
re: #389 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Start at 337? Are you friggin' kidding me? I can go back months...337?
dude, are they ex something-or-others?
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:14:52am |
re: #391 spidly
dude, are they ex something-or-others?
Ha. I'm watching with as much amusement as you are.
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redc1c4 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:15:03am |
re: #356 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
There's a guy about a mile from me that has a little "junkyard". He has what looks to be a wrecked 1969 Dodge Daytona- Here's what it looked like back then- [Link: www.get-in2.com...] The car he has is missing the front end, but I've only seen it driving along the highway. I saw one of these cars sell for about $800,000 restored on Speedchannel, so I figure even this partial car might be valuable.
your link no w*rky, but wiki says that they are pushing 6 figures, and the 426 version is ~ $300K. worth a look, and grab the vin number, a dealer can tell you for sure by looking it up. just don't seem *too* interested..... "i just want something i can w*rk on with my kids..."
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lilliew Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:16:00am |
Has anyone else seen this?
Barack Obama's ties to Ralia Odinga
SCARY stuff. Has this had any visibility yet?
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Colonel Panik Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:16:27am |
re: #375 victor_yugo
It does not show you in a strong position, that the best counter-argument you can come up with is to accuse me of vested interest. Will you next suggest I change my nick to "Gwen Ifill"?
No, that was just the icing on the cake.
My argument, which you are persistently ignoring, is that I travel on business at least twice a month, out of one the busiest airports in the US, and I have yet to see anyone using a Kindle. Business travelers are usually the earliest adopters of handheld electronic devices, so again, if the Kindle is as trendy and popular as you claim, surely I would have seen someone in either Phoenix or Denver airport using one by now, as it has been on the market for over a year.
It doesn't show you in a very strong position to continue to ignore that simple fact.
If you do not have a financial stake in the device you certainly have an emotional stake in it because you certainly are being an a**hole about it.
And that's the last I have to say on the subject. Have a good night.
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Syrah Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:16:34am |
Wind storm here tonight. It will likely be a little rough on the water tomorrow.
/There is something really neat up for auction. It went out of my range when the bidding moved north of $600. Not that I could afford her upkeep, but sometimes, it is fun to have a little daydream.
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victor_yugo Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:16:45am |
re: #393 redc1c4
your link no w*rky, but wiki says that they are pushing 6 figures, and the 426 version is ~ $300K. worth a look, and grab the vin number, a dealer can tell you for sure by looking it up. just don't seem *too* interested..... "i just want something i can w*rk on with my kids..."
Try this link instead.
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stuiec Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:16:52am |
re: #363 Cognito
Are they still doing that? I thought they'd done away with it.
The New York Times did away with theirs, finding that no one wanted to pay to read Maureen Dowd or Paul Krugman.
The WSJ has quite a lot of paid online subscribers.
The Wall Street Journal print franchise has more than 750 journalists world-wide, part of the Dow Jones network of nearly 1,800 business and financial news staff in bureaus across the globe. Other publications that are part of The Wall Street Journal franchise, with a total circulation of 2.7 million, include The Wall Street Journal Asia; The Wall Street Journal Europe; and The Wall Street Journal Online (www.wsj.com). A complement to the print Journal, the Online Journal is the largest paid subscription news site on the Web — with 1 million paid subscribers as of the third quarter of 2007.
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Bobibutu Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:17:09am |
re: #394 lilliew
Has anyone else seen this?
Barack Obama's ties to Ralia Odinga
SCARY stuff. Has this had any visibility yet?
Much.
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capitalist piglet Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:17:58am |
re: #394 lilliew
Has anyone else seen this?
Barack Obama's ties to Ralia Odinga
SCARY stuff. Has this had any visibility yet?
I've been watching some of that stuff on YouTube - there's lots about it there. I'm guessing that's another shoe to drop after this one has sunk in...don't want to saturate things too much, I would guess. (Be sure to watch that CNN report on Ayers, linked up a few posts, if you haven't yet - you'll be surprised at how damning it is, I think.)
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:18:56am |
"Micheal Moore films are what stupid people cite when they want others to think they are smart"
-Fenway Nation
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:20:27am |
re: #391 spidly
dude, are they ex something-or-others?
Huh? I'm talking about Cognito, and his/her propensity to argue, with whomever, just for the sake of arguing.
You dig "dude"? Far out!
It has nothing to with Sharmuta and Cog specifically.
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Oldasdirt Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:21:10am |
re: #385 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Yes! That's the first thing I noticed.
I you first check on the internet and can find whats called the front clip,thats Hood,fenders,and the nosecone,then you may be in luck.Also try to make sure the frame still tracks straight.
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:21:11am |
re: #398 stuiec
Yeah, that business info is good. It brings a paying readership.
To the original point -- not that it really matters anymore, I guess -- is that the infrastructure on which the online 'papers' rest is the print operation.
There's a real battle lining up at the moment between the WSJ and the Times. Should be interesting. Will probably improve both papers. I hope, anyway.
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Athos Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:22:49am |
re: #404 Cognito
A real battle brewing? They've been in a battle for the past 3 or 4 years regarding print and internet. The winner is apparent on several levels.
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Syrah Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:22:50am |
re: #404 Cognito
Yeah, that business info is good. It brings a paying readership.
To the original point -- not that it really matters anymore, I guess -- is that the infrastructure on which the online 'papers' rest is the print operation.
There's a real battle lining up at the moment between the WSJ and the Times. Should be interesting. Will probably improve both papers. I hope, anyway.
The Journal and the Times seem to aim for different readers. Is there really enough overlap for the two to be in competition?
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:25:23am |
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krycek Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:25:48am |
re: #376 Mel Lono
From what I gathered in 2 minutes scrolling, Kindle is an ebook touted by Amazon that has virtually no readership, correct? And no prospects for an upgrade in the next year. Move on, not org.
According to this article two new versions of kindle are expected to arrive in time for the holiday season.
Kindle 2.0 Coming around Oct 2008?...
Cool gadget. But I need to be able to see one and touch one first. I hate the fact that it doesn't support PDF and CHM. That might be the deal breaker for many.
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:26:31am |
re: #406 Athos
A real battle brewing? They've been in a battle for the past 3 or 4 years regarding print and internet. The winner is apparent on several levels.
Nah. The real grapple is just approaching, I think. Things have been more or less polite, so far.
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:26:40am |
re: #400 capitalist piglet
I've been watching some of that stuff on YouTube - there's lots about it there. I'm guessing that's another shoe to drop after this one has sunk in...don't want to saturate things too much, I would guess. (Be sure to watch that CNN report on Ayers, linked up a few posts, if you haven't yet - you'll be surprised at how damning it is, I think.)
Did CNN suddenly remember that they were the Clinton News Network?
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:27:48am |
re: #407 Syrah
The Journal and the Times seem to aim for different readers. Is there really enough overlap for the two to be in competition?
Yes. It's not just about immediate readers, though. It's about market primacy.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:28:48am |
re: #403 Oldasdirt
I you first check on the internet and can find whats called the front clip,thats Hood,fenders,and the nosecone,then you may be in luck.Also try to make sure the frame still tracks straight.
I just want to buy the "remains" for $100 and sell it for $10K, LOL. I don't have the time nor expertise (nor funds) to restore it.
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stuiec Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:28:56am |
re: #404 Cognito
Print operations at newspapers are relics of a bygone age.
It has far less to do with the fact that consumers can access news content that is up to the minute from the Web, and far more to do with the fact that consumers can place want ads that are more useful and cost-effective on the Web.
And so local newspapers' print editions shrivel up and die. (Though they do themselves no favors if they demonstrate a bias that drives away readers at the same time.)
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:29:26am |
I have no idea why newspapers are needed. We have the Senate to investigate for us and we should get our money's worth.
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Mel Lono Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:29:36am |
re: #405 stuiec
My little sister got married there. on an aside, does anyone know a Norwegian funeral toast? Just found out that GP Johann died, and all I had to drink was that Swedish vodka.
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:29:56am |
re: #415 stuiec
Print operations at newspapers are relics of a bygone age.
It has far less to do with the fact that consumers can access news content that is up to the minute from the Web, and far more to do with the fact that consumers can place want ads that are more useful and cost-effective on the Web.
And so local newspapers' print editions shrivel up and die. (Though they do themselves no favors if they demonstrate a bias that drives away readers at the same time.)
Yes, of course. The trouble is that people still want the product -- the news stories -- but they don't want to pay for them. And newsgathering is expensive.
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redc1c4 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:30:37am |
re: #410 Cognito
Nah. The real grapple is just approaching, I think. Things have been more or less polite, so far.
you really need to buy a better brand of crack.....
(and a better line of bullshit too: no one here is buying yours.)
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Athos Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:31:11am |
re: #410 Cognito
I will disagree. They've been at it, particularly ever since NYT attempted to out do / compete with the WSJ in the online space by mimicing their online subscription model. That failed.
Granted, now that Murdoch has the WSJ, he will be directing it to go more aggressively after the turf that used to be the NYT's - that is, their turf before Pinch lost much of it in his move of the paper from the esteemed position of all the news fit to print to rabid partisanship.
Having worked in Publishing for what used to be a major paper that totally blew it in the ability to leverage new media and the internet (based entirely on the stupidity of the owner / publisher in the early days of the internet) - the NYT is well down that path. It may want to try to perform a last stand against the WSJ - but their reputation and ability to compete is already thoroughly compromised.
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:31:45am |
re: #419 redc1c4
you really need to buy a better brand of crack.....
(and a better line of bullshit too: no one here is buying yours.)
If you've got a specific criticism of what I said, by all means share it.
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capitalist piglet Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:31:52am |
re: #411 Fenway_Nation
Did CNN suddenly remember that they were the Clinton News Network?
Perhaps. And to some, maybe this won't be a big deal, but a CNN transcript of his remarks during his trip to Kenya reveal this: "OBAMA: I just wanted to say very quickly that I am so proud to be back home and to see all of..."
He called Kenya "home"? As Fitzie would say, "Doubleya tee FAAAACK?"
[Link: transcripts.cnn.com...]
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Oldasdirt Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:31:58am |
re: #408 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Also know that the 800.000$ car you saw sold on TV was ORIGINAL.
Every part was,,even screws, engine stickers, wireing.
Motor,trans,rearend can be rebuilt,but all numbers have to match.
So dont expect to get back top dollar for one with an aftermarket front end.
But still may bring a very good price.
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Mel Lono Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:32:06am |
re: #409 krycek
According to this article two new versions of kindle are expected to arrive in time for the holiday season.
Kindle 2.0 Coming around Oct 2008?...
Cool gadget. But I need to be able to see one and touch one first. I hate the fact that it doesn't support PDF and CHM. That might be the deal breaker for many.
No New Kindle this Year
Hey, it's the frigging NY Times!
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:32:22am |
re: #416 Sharmuta
I have no idea why newspapers are needed. We have the Senate to investigate for us and we should get our money's worth.
Somewhere a sarc tag is missing. : ) Or it's so obvious it's not necessary.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:33:59am |
re: #425 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
I use a tag only about half the time. Some LGFers never use one, but I always recommend it for newbies- at least until we get to know them.
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:35:39am |
re: #420 Athos
Granted, now that Murdoch has the WSJ, he will be directing it to go more aggressively after the turf that used to be the NYT's...
This is the grapple to which I'm referring. So far -- in my opinion at least -- the two papers were competing mostly in the vague sense that they were both trying to snatch as many stories, etc, as possible from the air. But I think Murdoch will take on a more confrontational stance. As you said.
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redc1c4 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:35:52am |
re: #413 Cognito
Yes. It's not just about immediate readers, though. It's about market primacy.
out of the many stupid things you've posted here, this is one of the dumbest.
1. the two firms compete in different markets.
2. the WSJ is interested in it's bottom line, not whatever "market primacy" may mean in your awkward little brain.
3. the NYT has been hemorrhaging readers and ad revenue for years. the Wally, otoh, is chugging right along, and has even managed to convince a sizable number of people to pay for it's content on line.
IOW: Wally gets it, and the Grey Lady doesn't. you and she have much in common.
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Oldasdirt Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:35:58am |
re: #414 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
I just want to buy the "remains" for $100 and sell it for $10K, LOL. I don't have the time nor expertise (nor funds) to restore it.
Just saw this post..Well in that case,again,check the internet and see.
Like go to a car site,,or hotrod club site,,and ask around.
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Athos Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:36:33am |
re: #418 Cognito
Yes, of course. The trouble is that people still want the product -- the news stories -- but they don't want to pay for them. And newsgathering is expensive.
Is it, really? Or is that the impression we are supposed to have?
What's been more effective in terms of reporting from Iraq and Afghanistan? Michael Totten and Michael Yon or the AP / Alphabet news channels?
Isn't your argument just an extension of the derision of pajama clad pseudo-journalists as opposed to those graduates of the prestigious J-schools? Frankly, isn't that also a knock of the industry's own making when they pay the news readers on the alphabet stations national programs tens of millions per years for collapsing ratings? And isn't the challenge in funding news bureaus related to the losses in ad and other revenues caused by.........?
Bueller, Bueller......?
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victor_yugo Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:36:38am |
re: #395 Colonel Panik
My argument, which you are persistently ignoring, is that I travel on business at least twice a month, out of one the busiest airports in the US, and I have yet to see anyone using a Kindle. Business travelers are usually the earliest adopters of handheld electronic devices, so again, if the Kindle is as trendy and popular as you claim, surely I would have seen someone in either Phoenix or Denver airport using one by now, as it has been on the market for over a year.
What eisegetic arguments.
Business travelers are early adopters of communication and creation (reports, Power Point, spreadsheets) tools. An e-book reader is none of those, and business travelers are not its target market.
I did not claim the Kindle was "trendy." I said that e-reader devices are improving, and their user base is growing. I made no claim about "trendiness."
And to start the whole thing with a flat-out accusation that I'm a drug user...
Elitist snob shit.
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Mel Lono Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:37:19am |
re: #424 Mel Lono
No New Kindle this Year
Hey, it's thefriggingfracking NY Times!
'/hate when us outlanders have to correct oneselves.
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redc1c4 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:37:36am |
re: #418 Cognito
Yes, of course. The trouble is that people still want the product -- the news stories -- but they don't want to pay for them. And newsgathering is expensive.
and yet, the WSJ manages to stay in business, and keep it's readers when the regular papers can't...... go figure.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:38:03am |
re: #423 Oldasdirt
Also know that the 800.000$ car you saw sold on TV was ORIGINAL.
Every part was,,even screws, engine stickers, wireing.
Motor,trans,rearend can be rebuilt,but all numbers have to match.
So dont expect to get back top dollar for one with an aftermarket front end.
But still may bring a very good price.
You're killing me...My $10K wreck keeps getting less expensive. Thanks for the reality check. j/k....
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victor_yugo Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:39:09am |
re: #430 Athos
Bueller, Bueller......?
One of our local Donk candidates has a commercial with a Ben Stein-like voice calling the name of the Repub incumbent, implying an absence at least of mind, if not also body, from the office.
Kind of ironic, considering Stein is definitely a Republican.
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spidly Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:39:29am |
re: #402 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Huh? I'm talking about Cognito, and his/her propensity to argue, with whomever, just for the sake of arguing.
You dig "dude"? Far out!
It has nothing to with Sharmuta and Cog specifically.
no shit. let me put it another way.
I was suggesting that they once had a relationship but have split, making their relationship an EX type of relationship; the arguing would be stereotypical of people who are ex's.
fella
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Mel Lono Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:39:45am |
re: #430 Athos
Is it, really? Or is that the impression we are supposed to have?
What's been more effective in terms of reporting from Iraq and Afghanistan? Michael Totten and Michael Yon or the AP / Alphabet news channels?
Isn't your argument just an extension of the derision of pajama clad pseudo-journalists as opposed to those graduates of the prestigious J-schools? Frankly, isn't that also a knock of the industry's own making when they pay the news readers on the alphabet stations national programs tens of millions per years for collapsing ratings? And isn't the challenge in funding news bureaus related to the losses in ad and other revenues caused by.........?
Bueller, Bueller......?
Ding, ding ding. Ups!
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Killian Bundy Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:40:14am |
You know, this whole Ayers, etc./terrorist strategy is a good start, all true, part of the solution. But with four weeks to go, it's down the stretch they come and Lord Obama is breezing to victory by five lengths, going away, nationally and in every battleground State, riding the current economic crisis over the finish line.
The American people understand the pain and they understand, pretty much, the capitalist way of life. What they don't fully understand yet, is exactly what Lord Obama is peddling as the cure.
If McCain uses the "S" word to Lord Obama's face, preferably tomorrow night, and backs it up and drives it home with the lengthy and well documented factual history, then McCain has a chance, because the vast majority of sane Americans want no part of socialism.
/otherwise, we're going to get our asses kicked and have to live with the consequences for at least two years
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Syrah Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:40:45am |
Newspapers will not die a quick death. The will linger on for a number of years. While it may be true that we here read very little of the dead tree product, we do often read and cite the work that the dead tree media put out.
Many people, most of them from a generation that is just beginning to retire, do not get their information from the interwebs. They are by want and habit people of the printed page and the glowing tube. Newspapers and networks are what they can work with. These people, who never could figure out how to set the clock on their VCR or DVD player/recorder, are not likely to want to fuss with the hassles of IE, FireFox or Safari. The printed page and the boob tube are to them, good enough.
The deadtree product will come to a close in time, just not soon.
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:41:19am |
re: #428 redc1c4
out of the many stupid things you've posted here, this is one of the dumbest.
1. the two firms compete in different markets.
2. the WSJ is interested in it's bottom line, not whatever "market primacy" may mean in your awkward little brain.
3. the NYT has been hemorrhaging readers and ad revenue for years. the Wally, otoh, is chugging right along, and has even managed to convince a sizable number of people to pay for it's content on line.IOW: Wally gets it, and the Grey Lady doesn't. you and she have much in common.
In your effort to make this personal, and about me, you've assumed many things. One is that I am a fan of the New York Times. When, if you'll glance back at my comments even just today, you'll find I've trumpeted the Wall Street Journal.
1. The two firms do not compete in different markets.
2. Market primacy is not an "awkward little" idea. I mean that when someone thinks of the premiere newsgathering organization in the United States, they think of [insert name here]. That has great long-term value that can't always be measured by an immediate uptick in readership. The Wall Street Journal, which has taken a great deal of flack in recent years for drifting to the so-called 'right' in recent years for its stance on issues like Fannie and Freddie, didn't necessarily win readers for taking that stance. At that moment, anyway.
3. As I said, you apparently are under the mistaken impression that I'm a fan of the Times over the Journal. That's incorrect.
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Athos Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:41:29am |
re: #427 Cognito
This is the grapple to which I'm referring. So far -- in my opinion at least -- the two papers were competing mostly in the vague sense that they were both trying to snatch as many stories, etc, as possible from the air. But I think Murdoch will take on a more confrontational stance. As you said.
I thought that was perhaps where you might be going for.....but, IMO, that battle is already fought and lost.....as the reputation of the NYT and MSM in general collapses, the WSJ and others who are working to keep the appearances of some balance (WSJ news leans left, WSJ editorial leans right - which is a balance to many) are not feeling the industry challenges anyway to the same level as NYT, LAT /ChiTrib, WaPo, Atlantic JC, etc.......
Even prior to the Murdoch acquisition, the WSJ was aggressively building up it's national cred for news that goes beyond just the business.
It is not that different from IBD catching and leaving the Journal of Commerce in the dust in the 1990's........
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stuiec Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:43:22am |
re: #417 Mel Lono
Here's how ale bowls were used at funerals in the in Telemark region, located in the southeastern part of Norway. People at the funeral would place a huge ale bowl filled with beer on top of the casket. A smaller ale bowl that was also filled with beer would float in it. Each person at the funeral would fill a cup with beer, and they would make a toast in remembrance of the person who died.
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spidly Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:44:40am |
re: #401 Fenway_Nation
"Micheal Moore films are what stupid people cite when they want others to think they are smart"
-Fenway Nation
Chomsky is what really pompous stupid people cite.
Bonus to Chomsky is all you have to say is
"East Timor, man....wow....unbelievable. FRIKKEN IMPERIALISTS!"
and you sound like you've read any one of his books.
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victor_yugo Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:45:32am |
re: #441 Athos
(WSJ news leans left, WSJ editorial leans right - which is a balance to many)
Would "WSJ editorializes their news to the left, while their opinion pages lean right" be better?
Facts is facts; they are neither "left" nor "right."
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Mel Lono Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:45:55am |
re: #431 victor_yugo
Thanks! Always learn a new word here. But wouldn't the proper usage be eisegetical?
an interpretation, esp. of Scripture, that expresses the interpreter's own ideas, bias, or the like, rather than the meaning of the text.
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Athos Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:46:04am |
re: #438 Killian Bundy
/otherwise, we're going to get our asses kicked and have to live with the consequences for at least two years
Those who refuse to learn from history will be condemned to repeat it.
That is going to haunt us this November...and if the trends don't change, welcome to Carter II....with all of the damage that will entail. The question is - since we barely survived the first one, can we really survive the more extreme version?
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stuiec Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:46:08am |
re: #441 Athos
Correct. Daniel Pearl was working for the Wall Street Journal, but he wasn't covering the business beat.
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:46:49am |
re: #430 Athos
Is it, really? Or is that the impression we are supposed to have?
Yes. It is.
What's been more effective in terms of reporting from Iraq and Afghanistan? Michael Totten and Michael Yon or the AP / Alphabet news channels?
There is no serious question here. And Totten and Yon would be the first to say so, I expect. I certainly prefer their politics, but that does not supplant reality.
Isn't your argument just an extension of the derision of pajama clad pseudo-journalists as opposed to those graduates of the prestigious J-schools?
No. My argument -- although I'm sleepy, so who knows -- is that broad newsgathering is expensive. Period. That's why blogs don't really do it. And those that are trying are bleeding money.
Frankly, isn't that also a knock of the industry's own making when they pay the news readers on the alphabet stations national programs tens of millions per years for collapsing ratings?
Of course. Television is a joke. But then again, those news readers aren't paid for nothing. They're paid because they bring in viewers. Although that pool of viewers may be dwindling, I can assure you that network heads don't shell out paychecks for amusement.
And isn't the challenge in funding news bureaus related to the losses in ad and other revenues caused by.........?
Bueller, Bueller......?
Caused by an inability to tie news to advertising in a meaningful way, online. Simple. Fix that, fix the news business.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:47:00am |
re: #436 spidly
no shit. let me put it another way.
I was suggesting that they once had a relationship but have split, making their relationship an EX type of relationship; the arguing would be stereotypical of people who are ex's.fella
Whatever. You obviously didn't, or couldn't, comprehend my point. fella.
/
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Athos Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:48:52am |
re: #444 victor_yugo
That's could be a fair reassessment. On the editorial pages, the editors and commentators generally skew to the right. As for the news items and your correct pointing out that 'facts are facts' - I will add that the interpretation, placement, and inclusion of those facts are impacted by the viewpoint of the reporters and their editors....so they do skew to the left. In a truly benign journalistic environment, only the 'analysis' reportings would skew - the facts being facts would prevent any skewing on pages that were neither analysis or editorial commentary......
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Oldasdirt Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:49:08am |
Nite Lizards.My dog wants food,and I want sleep.
All take care.
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Mel Lono Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:49:19am |
re: #442 stuiec
Thank you. You may be pleased to know that Grandpa Johann Bu was not only a skilled carpenter, but a boat builder as well. My regards.
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:52:02am |
Yep indeed. Light does through yonder window break.
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stuiec Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:52:50am |
re: #444 victor_yugo
Would "WSJ editorializes their news to the left, while their opinion pages lean right" be better?
Facts is facts; they are neither "left" nor "right."
I have observed that on the news pages, some WSJ reporters will select only the facts that support their argument. And it bothers me that they decide to put their own arguments in their news stories.
One example that opened my eyes was a story about an inner city kid who the reporter portrayed as very bright and academically capable, but held back by the anti-academic culture of his peers. Turned out, though, when he was given an opportunity to participate in a summer program, he washed out -- not quite as academically capable as the reporter made him out to be. And that's when I learned that the WSJ news pages were not impartial purveyors of facts and figures.
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Killian Bundy Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:53:26am |
re: #446 Athos
Those who refuse to learn from history will be condemned to repeat it.
That is going to haunt us this November...and if the trends don't change, welcome to Carter II....with all of the damage that will entail. The question is - since we barely survived the first one, can we really survive the more extreme version?
Let Palin publicly call him a socialist, because that's what he is, the truth is out there.
/Lord Obama's just much too conniving to admit it openly, because America isn't Europe, yet
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victor_yugo Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:54:44am |
re: #445 Mel Lono
Thanks! Always learn a new word here. But wouldn't the proper usage be eisegetical?
Might be; I derived it according to Greek stems, not Latin.
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spidly Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:55:12am |
re: #438 Killian Bundy
/otherwise, we're going to get our asses kicked and have to live with the consequences for at least two years
We could always hope that the coronation festival replete with drum circles on the floor of the house and senate would take the entire two years. WOOOOO, full on hippie jam, we're changin the world, man!
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:55:50am |
re: #448 Cognito
Caused by an inability to tie news to advertising in a meaningful way, online. Simple. Fix that, fix the news business.
Good Lord- you don't get it. Fixing ad revenue won't help. Who wants to purchase ad space with a paper or site no one reads? That's wasted money.
The problem with the news business is the bias that turning veiwers and readers away. Fix that- readers/viewers will return, and then spending the money to place ads with them looks good and is worth the money.
But go ahead and keep thinking the problem is fixing ad revenue.
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victor_yugo Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:56:10am |
re: #455 Killian Bundy
Let Palin publicly call him a socialist, because that's what he is, the truth is out there.
/Lord Obama's just much too conniving to admit it openly, because America isn't Europe, yet
Turns out Europe isn't, either.
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spidly Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:56:23am |
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spidly Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:58:06am |
re: #460 victor_yugo
Turns out Europe isn't, either.
bad bad Ireland is sucking in the deposits from around the world.
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Athos Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:01:09am |
re: #448 Cognito
What's been more effective in terms of reporting from Iraq and Afghanistan? Michael Totten and Michael Yon or the AP / Alphabet news channels?
There is no serious question here. And Totten and Yon would be the first to say so, I expect. I certainly prefer their politics, but that does not supplant reality.
Not to put words into their mouths, but I think that the entire reason they are doing what they are doing, at their own expense or based on contributions from their readers, is because the traditional news outlets aren't doing the job.
Walk around your newsroom and others. Ask those reporters why they got into the business.....note how many comment about changing the world or making the world better as opposed to providing the first real recording of history.
My argument -- although I'm sleepy, so who knows -- is that broad newsgathering is expensive. Period. That's why blogs don't really do it. And those that are trying are bleeding money.
It's only expensive in the old paradigm. That's another of the fallacies of the argument around the primacy of the traditional media / journalism industry. Costs, editorial controls, etc are all of the standard arguments given to explain the limitations and benefits of the old media - yet, there are many bloggers who have as much if not greater access in many areas, at far less cost, and have thousands of other bloggers and readers to fact check their ass as opposed to a single editor who may be quite willing to inflict his opinion into the story.....
Caused by an inability to tie news to advertising in a meaningful way, online. Simple. Fix that, fix the news business.
Nope. That's not it. There are ways to tie in and implement advertising in an online environment that is valid and meaningful to readers. The issue is not the online environment - but the content. If the content has no value, readers will not pay subscription dollars or tolerate adverts. Ultimately, the content is / has become a commodity....just as the voice minute over the telephone has become a commodity. That's the paradigm change - and the industry, with few exceptions, doesn't get it. The news business gets fixed when they fix their content - and learn the lessons of the successful organizations.....
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:01:16am |
re: #459 Sharmuta
Good Lord- you don't get it. Fixing ad revenue won't help. Who wants to purchase ad space with a paper or site no one reads? That's wasted money.
The problem with the news business is the bias that turning veiwers and readers away. Fix that- readers/viewers will return, and then spending the money to place ads with them looks good and is worth the money.
But go ahead and keep thinking the problem is fixing ad revenue.
Right. Thanks.
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:02:52am |
re: #462 spidly
bad bad Ireland is sucking in the deposits from around the world.
I'm hoping for a simultaneous global rate cut.
A reset button, of sorts.
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Killian Bundy Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:03:27am |
re: #458 spidly
We could always hope that the coronation festival replete with drum circles on the floor of the house and senate would take the entire two years. WOOOOO, full on hippie jam, we're changin the world, man!
I'm certainly not going to throw myself in front of a moving truck. Maybe this is what our half of the country needs to finally "get it", a big I told you so.
/the Obama voting half reminds me of the mindless moonbats standing on top of the building, partying and waving signs, waiting to welcome the aliens in Independence Day
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HD Woman Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:03:42am |
Speaking of news... I've been trying to connect some dots, I know Obama Sr. met Neil Abercrombi in Hawaii, and I'm wondering what other future powerful connections he made for little Barry.
I'm needing a little help on research- in this article: [Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]
Obama notes his father's friends "were legion, and he helped organize the International Students Association, of which he became the first president."
I am not finding anything that would give me a list of other students associated with Obama Sr. Does anyone have any info?
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victor_yugo Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:05:28am |
re: #462 spidly
bad bad Ireland is sucking in the deposits from around the world.
Not to mention Iceland's time to pay the piper.
(No, not Piper Palin!)
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:08:41am |
re: #464 Cognito
Going to give the same bullshit reply to Athos now for telling you the same thing?
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Killian Bundy Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:10:58am |
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redc1c4 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:12:35am |
re: #440 Cognito
In your effort to make this personal, and about me, you've assumed many things. One is that I am a fan of the New York Times. When, if you'll glance back at my comments even just today, you'll find I've trumpeted the Wall Street Journal.
1. The two firms do not compete in different markets.
2. Market primacy is not an "awkward little" idea. I mean that when someone thinks of the premiere newsgathering organization in the United States, they think of [insert name here]. That has great long-term value that can't always be measured by an immediate uptick in readership. The Wall Street Journal, which has taken a great deal of flack in recent years for drifting to the so-called 'right' in recent years for its stance on issues like Fannie and Freddie, didn't necessarily win readers for taking that stance. At that moment, anyway.
3. As I said, you apparently are under the mistaken impression that I'm a fan of the Times over the Journal. That's incorrect.
whereas you simply assumed, once again incorrectly, that you understood what i said, rather than actually getting my point, which is obviously beyond your grasp. i could point it all out again, but that would be casting pearls of wisdom before swine, and i never try to teach a pig to sing: it wastes my time and annoys the pig.
i will, however, continue to laugh at you, and occasionally mock you in my replies. thanks for playing! %-)
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:13:19am |
re: #463 Athos
Not to put words into their mouths, but I think that the entire reason they are doing what they are doing, at their own expense or based on contributions from their readers, is because the traditional news outlets aren't doing the job.
Not doing the job completely. Not satisfying all readers. But to say that you could swap the (good) work Totten and Yon have done for the (not always so good) work of the news services is just unrealistic.
Walk around your newsroom and others. Ask those reporters why they got into the business.....note how many comment about changing the world or making the world better as opposed to providing the first real recording of history.
That's a well-worn trope around here. Sure, some goofy college freshman may want to 'change the world,' but that's because he's a college freshman. Grownups want to do a good job, and there's nothing wrong with making a difference. I wish more people had paid attention, to return to my running example, to the work of the Wall Street Journal regarding mortgage-backed securities. It would have made a 'difference.'
It's only expensive in the old paradigm.
Sorry, no. It's expensive. Many costs are hard, so to speak. Flights cost money. Translators. Paychecks. Security. Meals. Equipment. I could go on all day. And while online publication may save on distribution, it does nothing to reduce those hard costs.
That's another of the fallacies of the argument around the primacy of the traditional media / journalism industry. Costs, editorial controls, etc are all of the standard arguments given to explain the limitations and benefits of the old media - yet, there are many bloggers who have as much if not greater access in many areas, at far less cost, and have thousands of other bloggers and readers to fact check their ass as opposed to a single editor who may be quite willing to inflict his opinion into the story.
I look forward to the day when this starts to happen in a meaningful way. That day has not arrived. Good reporting is expensive, in addition to the costs mentioned above, because good reporters are expensive. It's hard work. Ask the WSJ.
Nope. That's not it. There are ways to tie in and implement advertising in an online environment that is valid and meaningful to readers.
Make that work and you'll be a billionaire by next year.
The issue is not the online environment - but the content. If the content has no value, readers will not pay subscription dollars or tolerate adverts. Ultimately, the content is / has become a commodity....just as the voice minute over the telephone has become a commodity. That's the paradigm change - and the industry, with few exceptions, doesn't get it. The news business gets fixed when they fix their content - and learn the lessons of the successful organizations.....
Again: People are flocking to the content. It's everywhere. It's in Associated Press stories right here on LGF. The problem is making it pay. The problem is locking it to advertising.
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:14:13am |
re: #471 redc1c4
whereas you simply assumed, once again incorrectly, that you understood what i said, rather than actually getting my point, which is obviously beyond your grasp. i could point it all out again, but that would be casting pearls of wisdom before swine, and i never try to teach a pig to sing: it wastes my time and annoys the pig.
i will, however, continue to laugh at you, and occasionally mock you in my replies. thanks for playing! %-)
Sounds good.
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Mel Lono Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:19:01am |
re: #471 redc1c4
casting pearls of wisdom before swine
Sorry red. I really did try to find a Pearls before Swine tag that would fit, but even Neil would have gone to sleep.
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Killian Bundy Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:20:36am |
re: #471 redc1c4
Oh yeah, you're right about the Chevy Vega Cogsworth. I made the mistake of taking a test drive with my maniac stepbrother. He eventually took it to the drag strip, but at the time we were on city streets.
/and, at the time, there was no shift lever, he was reaching in and pulling the rods manually with a glove while exceeding 100 mph
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redc1c4 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:21:21am |
re: #474 Mel Lono
Sorry red. I really did try to find a Pearls before Swine tag that would fit, but even Neil would have gone to sleep.
maybe we could convince the crocks that Cognito is a zeeba?
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Mel Lono Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:23:34am |
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:24:51am |
It's the economy content, stupid.
While Chalres may post the same ap article the nyt and other msm outlets ost on their sites and print in their paper, Charles is usally making a comment about a bias he sees in the story, while the msm just allows the story to stand as is. Perhaps Charles posts a story froom the ap and inclueds valuable information about a person in the article that the ap or msm outlet using the same story doesn't bother to include.
I think the comment in #7 still stands. Where is the fact checking and accountability in the msm as opposed to blogs? I think you're not grasping the difference in the presentation of the same ap article, therefore it very much is the content and the added context we get at blogs that we're not getting from the msm.
But keep ignoring the content aspect.
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redc1c4 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:25:34am |
re: #475 Killian Bundy
Oh yeah, you're right about the Chevy Vega Cogsworth. I made the mistake of taking a test drive with my maniac stepbrother. He eventually took it to the drag strip, but at the time we were on city streets.
/and, at the time, there was no shift lever, he was reaching in and pulling the rods manually with a glove while exceeding 100 mph
i've seen pics of vegas with small block V-8's in them..... we were down in Torrance last year, and i saw something so out there that i turned around to get pictures: an AMC Gremlin with a hood scoop, fat slicks in the back and wheelie bars....... one day i'll figger our how to get the pics off my phone and on the net to share....
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:26:06am |
re: #478 Sharmuta
Oh- that was obviously directed at cognito. Sorry about that.
Gee- I guess context added to content really helps, huh?
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redc1c4 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:27:26am |
re: #478 Sharmuta
It's the
economycontent, stupid.While Chalres may post the same ap article the nyt and other msm outlets ost on their sites and print in their paper, Charles is usally making a comment about a bias he sees in the story, while the msm just allows the story to stand as is. Perhaps Charles posts a story froom the ap and inclueds valuable information about a person in the article that the ap or msm outlet using the same story doesn't bother to include.
I think the comment in #7 still stands. Where is the fact checking and accountability in the msm as opposed to blogs? I think you're not grasping the difference in the presentation of the same ap article, therefore it very much is the content and the added context we get at blogs that we're not getting from the msm.
But keep ignoring the content aspect.
it's not that Cognito is always wrong, it's that he knows so many things that just aren't true. %-)
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stiruptheblog Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:28:08am |
The passage of this Bail-Out Bill and subsequent market downturn is enough to get us all angry. But how many realize the newest Bill that was passed had over 100 billion dollars added to it along with some amendments UN-RELATED TO THE BAIL-OUT? I know this practice is ages old, but it is wrong; just as is bundling good loans with bad. I know they do it to garner votes. However, a good idea, a good law, should stand on its own.There are so many additions in this 451 page monstrosity, I lost count... [more]
[Link: stiruptheblog.blogspot.com...]
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:28:12am |
re: #478 Sharmuta
Right. Which is why Charles stuck to the ban on AP stories, right?
Of course not. He needs the content.
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redc1c4 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:28:27am |
re: #480 Sharmuta
i thought the intended recipient was obvious..... not that he'll get the point, mind you. %-)
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Athos Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:28:38am |
re: #472 Cognito
Not satisfying all readers.
Informing or appealing to their biases and wanting to see what they want to believe?
But to say that you could swap the (good) work Totten and Yon have done for the (not always so good) work of the news services is just unrealistic.
I'll disagree. They might not have the distribution....but from their work and lack of counterbias (yes, in some ways they do have biases at play....) they have gotten better access than the accredited media. Perhaps it comes down to the fact that they lack the arrogance of many in the traditional media.
It's expensive. Many costs are hard, so to speak. Flights cost money. Translators. Paychecks. Security. Meals. Equipment. I could go on all day. And while online publication may save on distribution, it does nothing to reduce those hard costs.
And the bloggers I named have met those costs with the assistance of their readership. I will not deny that there are fixed costs, but, fixed costs are controllable and these gentlemen have achieved far more, IMO, with their fixed costs, than the millions tossed into the MSM bureau's and their use of stringers in the ME. But beyond the argument of new media vs old, within old media, organizations like FNC are making money / turning profits while the majority of other elements are losing their shirts. FNC has the same costs. It's how the costs are controlled, and more importantly, what is done with the product from those costs. That's where most old media has lot it.
Make that work and you'll be a billionaire by next year.
The chaps at Google beat me to it. MS and Yahoo aren't far behind. The point is - some organizations are making ad revenue online. The issue isn't the lack of ads or revenue, but as another pointed out, the lack of quality in the content that will attract the eyeballs needed to make the adverts pay.....which is the same problem the print editions are also facing. Without the eyeballs, no one will advertise....or if they do it's for substantially less cost.
People are flocking to the content. It's everywhere. It's in Associated Press stories right here on LGF. The problem is making it pay. The problem is locking it to advertising.
Yes, content is key - but it has to be compelling content. As I said before, content is becoming a commodity....and a commodity that is lessened further in value when it includes biases and opinions when none are required or called for. People will pay only when they see value. The trend in your industry is that the majority of people see no value....in print or online except in very few firms....many of which coincidently are owned by Murdoch. Hmm, what can that tell us given his pattern and positioning of his properties? Perhaps it is something that others should not only emulate, but try to do better?
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:31:00am |
re: #484 redc1c4
i thought the intended recipient was obvious..... not that he'll get the point, mind you. %-)
No- and he obviously didn't if you read his #483.
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Athos Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:32:24am |
re: #483 Cognito
Right. Which is why Charles stuck to the ban on AP stories, right?
Of course not. He needs the content.
As in needing the content to highlight the point that he is trying to make.
I am presuming this based on my time on this blog.....but feel free to see if Charles will say any different to you.
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:32:48am |
re: #485 Athos
No no, don't get me wrong: Murdoch has certainly, very smartly, identified and exploited a weakness in his competitors: their leftist bias. They left a vacuum that the market demanded be filled. Excellent for him, and excellent for the consumer.
But it's wrong to assert that it's bias that's now -- coincidentally to the technological unhinging of content from advertising -- killing papers. Because if that were true the biggest political blogs in the world would run counter to those papers -- and they don't. They're leftist, too.
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:33:43am |
re: #487 Athos
As in needing the content to highlight the point that he is trying to make.
I am presuming this based on my time on this blog.....but feel free to see if Charles will say any different to you.
No -- he joined some sort of campaign against using AP stories except to highlight their errors and biases. But he quickly dropped it. The content is valuable to him.
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Killian Bundy Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:35:46am |
re: #478 Sharmuta
Is your point that media bias exists? Welcome to the real world, exposing it isn't helping McCain or telling tales out of school because the vast majority of American voters don't read LGf or any other political blog.
/this calls for a devastating breakthrough that sticks, got another throbbing memo or it's equivalent?
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:37:30am |
re: #489 Cognito
No -- he joined some sort of campaign against using AP stories except to highlight their errors and biases. But he quickly dropped it. The content is valuable to him.
As usual- I think you have your facts confused on that.
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:38:02am |
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JustMyView Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:39:20am |
re: #459 Sharmuta
Good Lord- you don't get it. Fixing ad revenue won't help. Who wants to purchase ad space with a paper or site no one reads? That's wasted money.
The problem with the news business is the bias that turning veiwers and readers away. Fix that- readers/viewers will return, and then spending the money to place ads with them looks good and is worth the money.
But go ahead and keep thinking the problem is fixing ad revenue.
Not true. There is demand for the content of newspapers. The daily circulation of the Washington Post is 673,000 and its Sunday circulation is 890,000, but its web site gets 8.5 million hits per day. So the problem is not lack of interest in the product, but the difficulty of paying to produce it.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:40:58am |
re: #492 Cognito
No. I don't.
Yes- you do. When Charles was boycotting the ap, the only thing he published from them was a photograph of the enema statue in Russia- I believe because he thought it was funny. Then he decided to drop it, so for you to say "except to highlight their errors and biases" is incorrect. I'd say he likely dropped the boycott so he could continue to point out the biases and errors.
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:41:55am |
re: #494 Sharmuta
Yes- you do. When Charles was boycotting the ap, the only thing he published from them was a photograph of the enema statue in Russia- I believe because he thought it was funny. Then he decided to drop it, so for you to say "except to highlight their errors and biases" is incorrect. I'd say he likely dropped the boycott so he could continue to point out the biases and errors.
Right.
I won't bother linking the numerous Associated Press stories posted here that have nothing to do with bias or error.
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redc1c4 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:43:35am |
re: #493 JustMyView
Not true. There is demand for the content of newspapers. The daily circulation of the Washington Post is 673,000 and its Sunday circulation is 890,000, but its web site gets 8.5 million hits per day. So the problem is not lack of interest in the product, but the difficulty of paying to produce it.
and you join your partner in denseness in missing the point. people come from all over to see the content, but they don't find it worth paying for.....
yet the WSJ can and does convince millions of people to actually pay for it's web version.
way to go Sharmuta, now you've got both of them at it..... %-)
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Killian Bundy Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:44:36am |
re: #479 redc1c4
i've seen pics of vegas with small block V-8's in them..... we were down in Torrance last year, and i saw something so out there that i turned around to get pictures: an AMC Gremlin with a hood scoop, fat slicks in the back and wheelie bars....... one day i'll figger our how to get the pics off my phone and on the net to share....
You download the images form the camera to your PC using the camera provided (or other) software. Then you upload the images to the internet using your ISP (or other) FTP software. It should be all free.
I'm not impress.
/now, you get a picture of an AMC Pacer dragster . . .
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JustMyView Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:46:44am |
re: #495 Sharmuta
Read the Republican platform yet?
That's not really germane to the questions under discussion. Perhaps you'd care to acknowledge your misunderstanding of demand for the content generated by the MSM, as demonstrated by the figures I posted. The blogs are all about fact-checking, right?
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redc1c4 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:46:52am |
re: #498 Killian Bundy
You download the images form the camera to your PC using the camera provided (or other) software. Then you upload the images to the internet using your ISP (or other) FTP software. It should be all free.
I'm not impress.
/now, you get a picture of an AMC Pacer dragster . . .
cell phone camera...... not a regular one. i think i'm supposed to be able to email them to myself, but that would require finding and reading the manual.
i was involved in a car chase once where the people chasing (and shooting) at me were in a Pacer..... does that count? %-)
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Athos Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:46:57am |
re: #489 Cognito
Again, take it specifically with Charles, but I am seeing him using that content to point out the errors and biases - not for other reasons like needing filler content or thread topics. My impression is that he does not consider the AP as the 'source of record' for topics.
As for the reasons for the decline, we will agree to disagree. There is a trend with those outlets that are seeing the largest declines and loss of readers / viewers. It's a trend that does not, IMO, reflect well on the Industry hence the reasons for the Industry to follow human nature and excuse / mask the reasons as opposed to fixing them.
As for the leftist blogs being the larger read in the blogosphere, while the numbers are suspect, that is probably the case when we look at the readership of blogs on the center or right - since the readership is more distributed on the center / right. But that still doesn't explain why the media outlets that are closest to the left or left leaning are losing readers / viewers far faster than others - like FNC which is holding its own / gaining readers and viewers.
The inability to consider the impact of the bias is an institutional bias that mirrors the problem in the industry. When one discounts that out of hand, then all the following conclusions are skewed by how wrong the original conclusion is. Fix that bias issue and then there will be improvement.
It's fundamentally no different from the Publisher who told me that the internet was a fad and would never be a threat, or the national security analsyst who said that sunni and shi'te would never cooperate against a common enemy......once the flaw is made, all the rest of the conclusions have the same fundamental flaw.
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redc1c4 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:47:45am |
re: #499 JustMyView
That's not really germane to the questions under discussion. Perhaps you'd care to acknowledge your misunderstanding of demand for the content generated by the MSM, as demonstrated by the figures I posted. The blogs are all about fact-checking, right?
even when the facts presented aren't germane to the question at hand?
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:48:38am |
re: #497 redc1c4
and you join your partner in denseness in missing the point. people come from all over to see the content, but they don't find it worth paying for.....
yet the WSJ can and does convince millions of people to actually pay for it's web version.
way to go Sharmuta, now you've got both of them at it..... %-)
No. You miss the point. People clearly have -- for many, many, many years -- found the content worth paying for. They didn't just magically stop paying, one day. Something changed: the method of distribution.
The problem is that now the content is being delivered in a fashion -- digitally -- that unhinges the content from the advertising. Anyone can grab a Washington Post story and email it to his friend. Or slap it on his site, sans advertising. Or rather, more to the point: sans advertising that pays the people who actually produced the content.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:51:45am |
re: #499 JustMyView
Nope. I find it particularly amusing that earlier you'd make a comment about what is or isn't a part of the republican platform without having read it.
You went on to tell me you'd read it. So- have you?
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:51:56am |
re: #501 Athos
Again, take it specifically with Charles, but I am seeing him using that content to point out the errors and biases - not for other reasons like needing filler content or thread topics.
With respect, you may want to look again.
But that still doesn't explain why the media outlets that are closest to the left or left leaning are losing readers / viewers far faster than others - like FNC which is holding its own / gaining readers and viewers.
Well, cable is actually doing relatively well across the board. But yes, FNC is robust, for the very reason we discussed earlier: Murdoch quite rightly identified a need in the market, and filled it. Note that, for instance, Fox's business channel is suffering terribly: There wasn't a need in the market.
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Killian Bundy Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:53:32am |
re: #499 JustMyView
Notice how the markets tank when socialist Obama spikes in the polls? There's good reason for the Fear.
/are you going to come back and hang around when Obama turns out to be an epic fail?
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Scion9 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:54:35am |
re: #201 DeafDog
If they just embedded someone with the Army that would be enough. They don't want to do that because they think that's 'biased".....they are - in other words - assholes
The Army has been pretty uptight with letting journalists 'hang' with them in Afghanistan. Right now, with most of the boots on the ground in Iraq, Special Forces are the backbone in Afghanistan, and the Army is very 'protective' of them. They don't like them being babysitters for journalists, or taking orders from non-US NATO Commanders, etc.
As for Iraq, no excuse really. Assholes.
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JustMyView Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:54:36am |
re: #497 redc1c4
and you join your partner in denseness in missing the point. people come from all over to see the content, but they don't find it worth paying for.....
yet the WSJ can and does convince millions of people to actually pay for it's web version.
Why would they find it "worth paying for" when it is available for free? Also, which parts of the WSJ require a subscription? (Honest question.) An awful lot of it is available free.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:57:02am |
re: #508 JustMyView
Why would they find it "worth paying for" when it is available for free? Also, which parts of the WSJ require a subscription? (Honest question.) An awful lot of it is available free.
If you're not sure, then I recommend calling your Senators to lead an investigation. Get your money's worth.
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Ledger1 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:57:36am |
re: #65 soccerdad
Talk about someone getting fisted. This moonbat got it.
[Clip of Palin giving a stinky hippie a swift boot to the rear as the crowd cheers]
[Comments at GP]
Excellent! I'm just amazed that she had the presence of mind to say "Bless your heart, sir." That's class under pressure. – Weather Girl 4:15 PM
[Disgruntled moonbat incites violence]
Sarah Palin really angers me.
On another note: If you guys try to steel this election there will be chaos on the streets. There are a lot of Obama supporters out there who are trained and ready if this comes down to physical confrontation. We're not going to put up with this anymore. It's time for real change, not John McSame. – Bruce 4:58 PM
See: Palin puts heckler in his place
[If you read the comments "Bruce" is apparently from Canada]
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JustMyView Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:57:48am |
re: #506 Killian Bundy
Notice how the markets tank when socialist Obama spikes in the polls? There's good reason for the Fear.
I doubt even John McCain believes that.
/are you going to come back and hang around when Obama turns out to be an epic fail?
Assuming he's elected, it'll be several years before we know how successful he'll be as president. I can't make promises as to how interested I'll be in hanging out year years from now, but I can promise that I'll criticize him when I think he's wrong.
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redc1c4 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:58:37am |
re: #503 Cognito
No. You miss the point. People clearly have -- for many, many, many years -- found the content worth paying for. They didn't just magically stop paying, one day. Something changed: the method of distribution.
The problem is that now the content is being delivered in a fashion -- digitally -- that unhinges the content from the advertising. Anyone can grab a Washington Post story and email it to his friend. Or slap it on his site, sans advertising. Or rather, more to the point: sans advertising that pays the people who actually produced the content.
you couldn't grasp the point with both hands if i buried the tip in your chest. first off, you can't just put the article on your site, unless you like losing lawsuits. 2ndly, most papers won't let you access many stories unless you register to use the site. when you log in, they get credit for all the ads you see and ignore on the pages you visit. here in the real world, we call that revenue.
we used to get the LA Times, and the WSJ. we left the Times because A: i couldn't stand the drivel and endless bullshit they dispensed as news. it didn't bother the boss so much because she ignored most of the paper. B: they finally pissed off HRH with lousy delivery, faulty billing and craptastic customer service. neither one of us accesses their free web page content. if we want to look up local news, we're likely to use the web page of the local paper we switched to. we left because the product sucked, not because we could get it for free.
demographics are also playing a part: my parents generation is dying off, and the younger ones aren't as print oriented. bottom line is, the papers have to reinvent themselves, ala the WSJ, or they will all fail.
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redc1c4 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:59:18am |
re: #504 Sharmuta
Nope. I find it particularly amusing that earlier you'd make a comment about what is or isn't a part of the republican platform without having read it.
You went on to tell me you'd read it. So- have you?
magic 8 ball sez: "not at this time"
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:59:27am |
re: #511 JustMyView
Assuming he's elected, it'll be several years before we know how successful he'll be as president. I can't make promises as to how interested I'll be in hanging out year years from now, but I can promise that I'll criticize him when I think he's wrong.
Just like we won't know for years whether Bush will be a successful President.
The full scope of success is not painted until well after the dust settles on a Presidency.
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littleoldlady Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:00:03am |
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------->
Help yourselves!
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mich-again Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:00:04am |
I always go online for a few minutes before going to work just to peruse the headlines and now Yahoo news is featuring a story linking John McCain to Iran-Contra. Oh for crying out loud. Iran-Contra? Is that all they got?
Meanwhile, they keep ignoring the stories about Obama's very bestest buddy Wiliam Ayers.
The media bias isn't just in what they put in, its in what they leave out.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:00:20am |
re: #508 JustMyView
Why would they find it "worth paying for" when it is available for free? Also, which parts of the WSJ require a subscription? (Honest question.) An awful lot of it is available free.
Ok- seriously. Indeed- why pay for something we could get for free?
It's the content. Why are Rush and O'Reily making money off their site's subscriptions? Could it be that people are willing to pay for that content?
To tell the truth- I'm glad LGF is free, but I'd pay for this site.
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littleoldlady Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:00:53am |
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redc1c4 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:02:11am |
re: #511 JustMyView
Assuming he's elected, it'll be several years before we know how successful he'll be as president. I can't make promises as to how interested I'll be in hanging out year years from now, but I can promise that I'll criticize him when I think he's wrong.
like anyone believes you....... Carter was a demonstrated fool from nearly the get go. Obanal will prove to be worse even faster, to the point that even Helen Keller would notice, and she's dead, but given your track record of mendacity, you and the MSM will ignore it.
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littleoldlady Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:04:07am |
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redc1c4 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:05:07am |
re: #508 JustMyView
Why would they find it "worth paying for" when it is available for free? Also, which parts of the WSJ require a subscription? (Honest question.) An awful lot of it is available free.
your claim, you do your own research. the immutable fact is that the WSJ has over a million paying customers for it's online version.
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Mel Lono Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:05:33am |
re: #519 littleoldlady
morning Maam, Red's on point... in a manner of speaking.
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:06:03am |
re: #512 redc1c4
you couldn't grasp the point with both hands if i buried the tip in your chest...
It really doesn't matter how much bluster you add, I do know what I'm talking about. There are many, many factors at play. The model you think works so beautifully -- the online subscriptions at WSJ -- is being paid for by the print side.
Now, if Murdoch's gamble pays off, it could start pulling in a good deal of revenue in a few years. But there's some question whether it will survive that long. There are serious drawbacks to the model.
For instance, Google the term "stocks." The Wall Street Journal is at the top.
Right?
No?
Second listing?
Third?
No?
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Killian Bundy Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:06:23am |
re: #511 JustMyView
I doubt even John McCain believes that.
That's not what I asked.
/do you think the markets are overreacting to the ever increasing possibility that socialist Obama will be the next U.S. President, your not going to deny he's a hard core socialist, right?
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:07:01am |
re: #517 mich-again
I always go online for a few minutes before going to work just to peruse the headlines and now Yahoo news is featuring a story linking John McCain to Iran-Contra. Oh for crying out loud. Iran-Contra? Is that all they got?
Meanwhile, they keep ignoring the stories about Obama's very bestest buddy Wiliam Ayers.
The media bias isn't just in what they put in, its in what they leave out.
HAH! The average 0bama fanboy probably wasn't even alive when Iran-Contra hit the fan.
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redc1c4 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:08:05am |
re: #510 Ledger1
Talk about someone getting fisted. This moonbat got it.
[Clip of Palin giving a stinky hippie a swift boot to the rear as the crowd cheers]
[Comments at GP]Excellent! I'm just amazed that she had the presence of mind to say "Bless your heart, sir." That's class under pressure. – Weather Girl 4:15 PM
the inside funny is that in polite Southerese, "Bless your heart", as used here, translates into something along the lines of "you dumb bastard..." %-)
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JustMyView Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:11:48am |
re: #527 Killian Bundy
That's not what I asked.
/do you think the markets are overreacting to the ever increasing possibility that socialist Obama will be the next U.S. President, your not going to deny he's a hard core socialist, right?
Yes, I am going to deny that he's a hard-core socialist, and, no, I don't think what's going on in the markets has much to do w/ the possibility of an Obama presidency. The subprime mortgage meltdown began long before it was clear that Obama would even be the nominee. Also, he's not going to be president of the world, and markets all over the globe are involved in this crisis.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:12:07am |
re: #529 redc1c4
the inside funny is that in polite Southerese, "Bless your heart", as used here, translates into something along the lines of "you dumb bastard..." %-)
Yep. It usually prefaces an insult.
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Temujin Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:13:19am |
re: #528 Fenway_Nation
HAH! The average 0bama fanboy probably wasn't even alive when Iran-Contra hit the fan.
Unfortunately, that's also why so many people believe anything they read on the 'net - no historical context.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:14:25am |
re: #517 mich-again
Oh brother! Did you read it? The clincher:
"I didn't know whether (the group's activity) was legal or illegal, but I didn't think I wanted to be associated with them," McCain said in a newspaper interview in 1986.
As opposed to 0bama, who didn't know or seem to care, and continued to work with thugs and slum lords and crooks.
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:15:34am |
re: #534 Temujin
I'm sure the MSM can make more time for a recap of the Iran Contra deal moreso than they can a brief history of Weather Underground (including the Where Are They Now? follow-up)
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redc1c4 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:16:13am |
re: #526 Cognito
It really doesn't matter how much bluster you add, I do know what I'm talking about. There are many, many factors at play. The model you think works so beautifully -- the online subscriptions at WSJ -- is being paid for by the print side.
Now, if Murdoch's gamble pays off, it could start pulling in a good deal of revenue in a few years. But there's some question whether it will survive that long. There are serious drawbacks to the model.
For instance, Google the term "stocks." The Wall Street Journal is at the top.
Right?
No?
Second listing?
Third?
No?
and "stocks" are the only reason anyone reads the WSJ..... and the online subscriptions don't pay for themselves......do you even know what the price is for the online versus the print edition? of course not, or you wouldn't be talking out your ass.
what color is the sky where you are?
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akak Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:17:41am |
re: #506 Killian Bundy
Notice how the markets tank when socialist Obama spikes in the polls? There's good reason for the Fear.
blockquote>Problem is your likely the only one that's ever mentioned it?
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Temujin Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:19:28am |
re: #536 Fenway_Nation
The MSM do run "in-depth" pieces occasionally, but their day-to-day coverage is usually as thin as tissue paper . . .
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Killian Bundy Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:21:04am |
re: #531 JustMyView
Yes, I am going to deny that he's a hard-core socialist, and, no, I don't think what's going on in the markets has much to do w/ the possibility of an Obama presidency. The subprime mortgage meltdown began long before it was clear that Obama would even be the nominee. Also, he's not going to be president of the world, and markets all over the globe are involved in this crisis.
I don't think what's going on in the markets
In other words, you have absolutely no idea because your bull[expletive deleted] expertise doesn't cover international markets.
Time for Bomb 20 time guess who's the bomb?
/choke on Obama socialism, and don't come back until you can refute any of it, please
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redc1c4 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:23:52am |
re: #538 Cognito
Snappy comeback.
since you are too lazy, stupid and arrogant to go find out for yourself, the online subscription is the same yearly price as the print edition, but without all the distribution costs, so it has a higher profit margin. it's high enough that for just $10 more, they'll give you the paper too.
you still wanna try to sell those wolf cookies that the print version supports the web one? i notice you had no response as to other reason people might want to read Wally, so we'll take it that you have no idea.
face it: on this subject, as with many others, you don't know anything about it. you just spew bullshit that you think sounds good, and then you spend the rest of your time deliberately misconstruing people's replies and ignoring inconvenient facts.
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redc1c4 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:24:38am |
re: #540 Temujin
The MSM do run "in-depth" pieces occasionally, but their day-to-day coverage is usually as thin as tissue paper . . .
and their knowledge on just about any subject is Power Point deep.
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redc1c4 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:26:54am |
well, i should have been in bed hours ago..... keep a lid on these 2 jamokes for me, would ya? bless their hearts..... %-)
hasta, y'all
L8r!
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littleoldlady Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:27:54am |
'Night, red. :-)
I'm still trying to coffee what they're arguing about...
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Temujin Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:31:09am |
re: #543 redc1c4
But red . . . they just sound so knowledgeable!
Plus, they have all those neat visuals to kick it up a notch!
///
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little blessing Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:37:18am |
Lots of Blessings going on in here tonight.
Wasn't sure if the legitimate one should make any appearances.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:40:02am |
Harvard scientists announced late Monday afternoon that the asteroid 2008 TC3 would burn up in the sky, making a fireball potentially visible to people in northern Africa. Measuring between 3 feet and 15 feet in diameter, the rock was expected to enter Earth's atmosphere above Sudan at 10:46 p.m. EDT Monday, just before dawn in Africa.
SNIP
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little blessing Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:41:07am |
Littleoldlady! : )
Bless you too, sweetheart!
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:42:05am |
re: #542 redc1c4
since you are too lazy, stupid and arrogant to go find out for yourself, the online subscription is the same yearly price as the print edition, but without all the distribution costs, so it has a higher profit margin. it's high enough that for just $10 more, they'll give you the paper too.
you still wanna try to sell those wolf cookies that the print version supports the web one? i notice you had no response as to other reason people might want to read Wally, so we'll take it that you have no idea.
face it: on this subject, as with many others, you don't know anything about it. you just spew bullshit that you think sounds good, and then you spend the rest of your time deliberately misconstruing people's replies and ignoring inconvenient facts.
Yeah. I make it up as a go, spewing and trying to fool everyone.
Although... there is one little thing. The print side pays for the digital side because its ads cost more, not the subscriptions.
For all that, the Wall Street Journal is -- at best -- marginally profitable. If at all. The parent company makes its money on electronic data distribution, not news.
Look: I'm a big champion of the Wall Street Journal. You need not go beyond this thread to see that. I've merely pointed out some drawbacks in the model -- drawbacks you apparently skimmed -- while cheerleading for the WSJ all day.
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:46:52am |
And redc1c4, you might want to think twice before throwing around terms like "lazy, stupid and arrogant," next time.
I don't call people those things. I don't because I know I could very well be wrong.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:52:52am |
re: #553 Cognito
Don't give yourself airs, Mr. "You're prone to get the vapors".
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Killian Bundy Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:53:12am |
If Obama would concede, the markets would rally 30% at least.
/but that's not the current reality
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:53:42am |
Sharmuta, you're a treat. Honestly. It wouldn't be half as fun without you.
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:56:14am |
re: #555 Killian Bundy
If Obama would concede, the markets would rally 30% at least.
/but that's not the current reality
I wonder. The markets seem to be running on emotion, these days. If Obama rides a tide of emotion in the White House -- hail the big new thing -- I wonder if the markets wouldn't ride with him.
That's a frightening thing to say out loud. Nothing in the markets seems connected to anything solid, any more.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:57:15am |
re: #556 Cognito
Here's the problem, cog. I have no idea how to take that comment.
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:58:30am |
re: #558 Sharmuta
Here's the problem, cog. I have no idea how to take that comment.
Face value.
Although "Here's the problem, cog," did make me smile.
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Spirit93 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:58:41am |
re: #557 Cognito
I wonder. The markets seem to be running on emotion, these days. If Obama rides a tide of emotion in the White House -- hail the big new thing -- I wonder if the markets wouldn't ride with him.
That's a frightening thing to say out loud. Nothing in the markets seems connected to anything solid, any more.
You really are delusional.
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:59:31am |
re: #560 Spirit93
You really are delusional.
When you say something like that, I believe it's customary to elucidate.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:59:39am |
re: #559 Cognito
Face value.
Although "Here's the problem, cog," did make me smile.
I guess I'll have to call my Senators.
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Killian Bundy Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:02:34am |
re: #557 Cognito
I wonder. The markets seem to be running on emotion, these days. If Obama rides a tide of emotion in the White House -- hail the big new thing -- I wonder if the markets wouldn't ride with him.
That's a frightening thing to say out loud. Nothing in the markets seems connected to anything solid, any more.
Where are you going with your economic pits?
/it's less popular in the Chicago and New York exchanges, markets are currently dismounted and taking cover in the ditch
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:03:04am |
Dang it.
Apparently light does not through yonder window break. Apparently yon window simply breaks.
Things were going so well, for a moment there.
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littleoldlady Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:03:09am |
re: #557 Cognito
Does anybody actually listen to Obama?!
He's going to raise taxes on capital gains and add a stock transaction tax. Even if the markets were in good shape right now that would turn them to dreck!
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Killian Bundy Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:05:02am |
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:05:04am |
re: #565 littleoldlady
Does anybody actually listen to Obama?!
He's going to raise taxes on capital gains and add a stock transaction tax. Even if the markets were in good shape right now that would turn them to dreck!
Well. I can tell you right now, littleoldlady, that I need not worry about any capital gains.
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:06:00am |
re: #566 Killian Bundy
I'm sorry.
/are you a McCain voter?
Eh? What's that got to do with the markets?
I've been posting that link all night. It started out all green. Not so, now.
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Spirit93 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:06:09am |
re: #561 Cognito
When you say something like that, I believe it's customary to elucidate.
de·lu·sion –noun
1. an act or instance of deluding.
2. the state of being deluded.
3. a false belief or opinion: delusions of grandeur.
4. Psychiatry. a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact
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littleoldlady Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:08:41am |
re: #569 Spirit93
LOL!
re: #567 Cognito
Well. I can tell you right now, littleoldlady, that I need not worry about any capital gains.
None us have to. :-(
So you will be one of those taking advantage of Obama's "bottom up" economy?
/where are the frikken' economists, and why haven't they called him out on this incredibly stupid idea?!
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akak Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:10:08am |
re: #555 Killian Bundy
If Obama would concede, the markets would rally 30% at least.
/but that's not the current reality
If that were the case he wouldn't be running still.
I wish it was true though.
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Killian Bundy Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:11:30am |
re: #568 Cognito
Eh? What's that got to do with the markets?
Well, let's this try this again.
/they don't like socialism/Obama, it's massive and creepy, is that the government you want?
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:13:03am |
I didn't know that BHO had written a blurb for Ayers' book in 1997.
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Tigger2005 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:13:55am |
re: #549 MandyManners
SNIP
"Chewie, we've got an asteroid problem!"
"Aahhhrrnnnn uhhnnn ahhrr grr uhnnn graarrr?"
("May I suggest Preparation H?")
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:14:35am |
re: #573 Killian Bundy
Well, let's this try this again.
/they don't like socialism/Obama, it's massive and creepy, is that the government you want?
I get all that. I'm just not sure what it's got to do with my ongoing link to world markets.
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Killian Bundy Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:14:40am |
re: #574 MandyManners
I didn't know that BHO had written a blurb for Ayers' book in 1997.
/shut the [expletive up]
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:15:51am |
re: #574 MandyManners
I didn't know that BHO had written a blurb for Ayers' book in 1997.
0bama endorsed ayers. Ironic.
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Ledger1 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:16:39am |
Although it is posted elsewhere, here is some humor on the dishonesty of Gwen Ifill by Iowahawak:
As expected, a blue ribbon panel from the Ifill Center for Media Ethics cleared award-winning political journalist Gwen Ifill of all charges today…Ifill did not escape some criticism from the panel however, as she was warned several times by ranking member Olbermann that "your position of moderator is no excuse not to violently attack Palin..."
"As journalism professionals, we are counting on you to do the right thing," said Olbermann, presenting her with the Center's "Dan 'Mr. October' Rather Journalist of the Year" commemorative baseball bat.
"You can depend on me," said Ifill, calmly pounding spikes into the engraved Louisville Slugger. "I promise to conduct myself in the highest traditions of Gwen Ifill."
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:17:51am |
re: #577 Killian Bundy
/shut the [expletive up]
It's the first new thing I've learned about BHO/Ayers from the MSM.
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Killian Bundy Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:18:43am |
re: #576 Cognito
I get all that. I'm just not sure what it's got to do with my ongoing link to world markets.
McCain -- capitalism (world markets)
Obama -- socialism (prospect tanking world markets)
/feel free to understand and dispute it
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:19:40am |
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:20:59am |
JMV posted some nonsense above about BHO not running for president of the world. I wonder if she realizes that as the American market goes, so go the rest of the world's markets.
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:21:20am |
re: #581 Killian Bundy
McCain -- capitalism (world markets)
Obama -- socialism (prospect tanking world markets)
/feel free to understand and dispute it
Let me back up.
What I'm saying is that I linked -- as I've done several times now -- the blood-red market indices.
You responded, "I'm sorry. /are you a McCain voter?"
It's that response that I don't quite get: Why are you sorry?
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Dar ul Harb Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:21:28am |
re: #416 Sharmuta
I have no idea why newspapers are needed. We have the Senate to investigate for us and we should get our money's worth.
Bailout!
/hey, I'm surprised it hasn't been suggested by the ink-stained wretches
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:23:51am |
re: #583 MandyManners
I wonder if JMV is going to read the Republican platform.
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Tigger2005 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:25:04am |
I hope we get a thread on McCain's ripping of Obama today.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:25:32am |
Yesterday there were questionable reports that somebody was shouting to Kill Obama at a Palin rally. Now this....
Shouts of "Kill Him" at McCain rally.
It's hard to tell, the guy could be yelling anything. . If this is true then the Republicans deserve to lose.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:25:55am |
What would make ANYONE feel comfortable about asking Barack Obama for advice on the toughest decision in their life? I wouldn't feel comfortable asking him what to order at Chili's.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:26:07am |
But when police summoned by worried friends of the residents got inside Monday, they found a horror — six members of a family fatally shot in a murder-suicide committed by an unemployed man in financial crisis.
The body of 45-year-old Karthik Rajaram, a gun clutched in one hand, was found by officers who followed a trail of carnage through the home in a gated community in the Porter Ranch area of the San Fernando Valley.
His victims, most slain in their beds, were his wife, three sons and his mother-in-law.
SNIP
Officers found the mother-in-law, Indra Ramasesham, 69, dead in bed on the first floor. Upstairs, they found a 19-year-old son, Krishna Rajaram, dead in bed in the master bedroom.
The gunman's 39-year-old wife, Subasri, was found in another room, also apparently shot while sleeping, Moore said.
In an adjoining room, a 12-year-old son, Ganesha, was dead on the floor, and his 7-year-old brother, Arjuna, was dead in bed. Their father's body also was found there with a handgun "in his grasp," Moore said. The gun was purchased Sept. 16.
Coroner's assistant chief Ed Winter said the victims were shot multiple times.
SNIP
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Tigger2005 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:26:41am |
re: #589 Killgore Trout
Yesterday there were questionable reports that somebody was shouting to Kill Obama at a Palin rally. Now this....
Shouts of "Kill Him" at McCain rally.It's hard to tell, the guy could be yelling anything. . If this is true then the Republicans deserve to lose.
Huh? They deserve to lose because of a couple of wackjobs?
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:27:14am |
re: #589 Killgore Trout
Yesterday there were questionable reports that somebody was shouting to Kill Obama at a Palin rally. Now this....
Shouts of "Kill Him" at McCain rally.It's hard to tell, the guy could be yelling anything. . If this is true then the Republicans deserve to lose.
Because if it is true, it couldn't possibly be a moby?
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:27:28am |
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:28:25am |
re: #589 Killgore Trout
Yesterday there were questionable reports that somebody was shouting to Kill Obama at a Palin rally. Now this....
Shouts of "Kill Him" at McCain rally.It's hard to tell, the guy could be yelling anything. . If this is true then the Republicans deserve to lose.
WTF?
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:28:27am |
So what if that's what he said? Couldn't it mean "kill him" as in pick him apart point-by-point?
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:28:45am |
re: #593 Tigger2005
Yes, when that kind of crazy is on public display it's a very bad sign. The "right" may soon outcrazy the "left" again.
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:29:06am |
re: #589 Killgore Trout
Yesterday there were questionable reports that somebody was shouting to Kill Obama at a Palin rally. Now this....
Shouts of "Kill Him" at McCain rally.It's hard to tell, the guy could be yelling anything. . If this is true then the Republicans deserve to lose.
I couldn't really make it out, honestly. Just "blah blah." (Of course if you'll hear whatever you expect when you play the ol' rock-and-roll record backward, so it's hard to say.)
I will say, though, that McCain's reaction seems to indicate... something.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:29:21am |
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:29:42am |
Because 0bama would never think terrible, mean things of McCain, right?
I bet there has never once been an 0bama supporter who wanted to hurt John or Sarah.
Give me a break.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:30:08am |
re: #599 Cognito
I couldn't really make it out, honestly. Just "blah blah." (Of course if you'll hear whatever you expect when you play the ol' rock-and-roll record backward, so it's hard to say.)
I will say, though, that McCain's reaction seems to indicate... something.
It's tough to tell what's going on in that clip.
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Killian Bundy Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:30:37am |
re: #585 Cognito
Let me back up.
What I'm saying is that I linked -- as I've done several times now -- the blood-red market indices.
You responded, "I'm sorry. /are you a McCain voter?"blockquote>
Timing is everything, nothing's domestically "blood- red, maybe this is your blood in the market.
Again. at this minute, there is only green in U.S. futures markets.
/are you an Obama voter?
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:30:58am |
re: #600 Killgore Trout
0bama supporters have never said anything evil about McCain or Palin? Perhaps they deserve to lose for all the shit they've spouted, not least of which is the crap 0bama spouts.
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Spirit93 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:31:15am |
re: #589 Killgore Trout
Who are you and what have you done with KT?
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:32:03am |
re: #604 Sharmuta
Just because the LLL is crazy doesn't excuse it.
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Tigger2005 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:32:36am |
re: #594 Sharmuta
Because if it is true, it couldn't possibly be a moby?
It doesn't even matter if it's a Moby or not. What the hell? Concede the election because of a lone nutjob? Even if that's what the guy was yelling, how do we know he didn't mean "kill him" in the sense of going on the attack and beating him in the elections? I like to encourage McCain to "rip Obama apart," but I don't mean it literally.
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goddessoftheclassroom Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:32:36am |
re: #592 MandyManners
Good morning, gotc!
{Mandy Manners}
My mom is a natural, congenital worrier--the kind who would worry that she didn't have anything to worry about would worry about that.
She is so worried about this election. She doesn't have a computer, so she only sees TV, and she is so aware of the bias.
I keep telling her not to borrow trouble and to pray that all will be well.
Let's face it, if by sme miracle and counter to all evidence Obama was destined to be a great president who enhanced our way of life, would any of us really complain? Of course, the point is that given the available evidence of limited achievement, associates, and decisions he's made, there's no reason to hope for that,
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:33:04am |
re: #598 Killgore Trout
Yes, when that kind of crazy is on public display it's a very bad sign. The "right" may soon outcrazy the "left" again.
One nutter means that the entire right is as crazy as those chronicled by zombie, ringo, urban infidel, et al.?
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:33:58am |
re: #603 Killian Bundy
Well cool -- I'm all for green. But I know that when it's red all around the world, and things have sucked hard here for several days in a row, I'd rather seen green everywhere.
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Luigi Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:34:35am |
The media has blacked-out the very important endorsement of Palin by the president of the LA Chapter of NOW. Even The Los Angeles Times has relegated it to their so-called LABlogs section which perhaps is not even in their print edition. Certainly, it is an inside feature.
[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]
An important story right in their own backyard and The Los Angeles Times deep-sixes it for politcally correct reasons. No respect for the truth. No respect for their profession of journalism. No respect for the sacrifice the troops are making for their constitutional right of freedom of the press.
Have a nice day.
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:37:13am |
re: #611 Luigi
Actually I saw that on television this evening. And for what it's worth, it's not quite what you're saying -- there was no endorsement. It's not as though the LA chapter of NOW has endorsed Palin. The other gal simply introduced her.
A big step, of course, but not what you seem to be saying.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:39:48am |
re: #609 MandyManners
Once again, the stuff exposed in zombietime reports doesn't excuse shouting "kill Obama" at McCain rallies. There are reports that someone was shouting that a a palin rally too. If it becomes a trend it would be very very bad regardless of what the left does.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:40:29am |
re: #608 goddessoftheclassroom
{Mandy Manners}
My mom is a natural, congenital worrier--the kind who would worry that she didn't have anything to worry about would worry about that.
She is so worried about this election. She doesn't have a computer, so she only sees TV, and she is so aware of the bias.
I keep telling her not to borrow trouble and to pray that all will be well.
Let's face it, if by sme miracle and counter to all evidence Obama was destined to be a great president who enhanced our way of life, would any of us really complain? Of course, the point is that given the available evidence of limited achievement, associates, and decisions he's made, there's no reason to hope for that,
I've never seen my mother as vehement about a politician as she is about BHO. Even Bill Clinton didn't upset her this much.
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Killian Bundy Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:40:53am |
re: #610 Cognito
Well cool -- I'm all for green. But I know that when it's red all around the world, and things have sucked hard here for several days in a row, I'd rather seen green everywhere.
/we should be/succumb to be red?
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:41:11am |
re: #609 MandyManners
Addendum.
Charles doesn't tolerate that stuff here and McCain doesn't want it at his rallies. It's bad for business.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:41:27am |
re: #613 Killgore Trout
Once again, the stuff exposed in zombietime reports doesn't excuse shouting "kill Obama" at McCain rallies. There are reports that someone was shouting that a a palin rally too. If it becomes a trend it would be very very bad regardless of what the left does.
Blame the entire party for this?
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Tigger2005 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:41:46am |
I still hate it that John Glenn stumped for Obama ... I think the old guy must be senile ... I can't imagine a former Marine pilot endorsing that scum if he had his wits about him. How could he do it if he had any idea what Obama really stands for? But then, John Murtha is ex-Marine too. Sad.
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Scion9 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:42:08am |
re: #488 Cognito
Because if that were true the biggest political blogs in the world would run counter to those papers -- and they don't. They're leftist, too.
You also have to take into account the nature of the internet as well. It isn't exactly an accurate cross-sectioning of American society.
It's disproportionately used by the young and metropolitan. These people are going to heavily slant either Leftist or Libertarian. It also is populated by people from all over the civilized world, which a lot of the European technocrati are even more Leftist than their American counterparts.
Take a look at the nature of those political blogs too. Kos, HuffPo, DU etc, aren't just Left of Center. They are Far Left. Their viewpoints are not (openly) represented by the MSM.
The bias in the mainstream media now isn't strictly Leftist, but it is absolutely in bed with the Democrat Party. The views of the Democrat Party, being a coalition, aren't strictly those of Kos et al. They are the base, but do not represent the views of the majority of the Dem electorate.
Democrat Pols pander to the majority of their electorate in public, and not the Koskidz specifically, and the MSM covers for, and abets the Dems, not Leftists specifically.
Fact of the matter is, that compared to 'real' Conservative Blogs, LGF is fairly moderate. There are quite a few blogs that are slightly right of center, or lower case "L" libertarian. Those views are largely unrepresented anywhere else. Even the barely Conservative RINOs, libertarians, et al are hard pressed to find a journalist or media outlet that represents them.
Those high traffic Leftist Blogs are comparable to the Hard-Right in terms of the radical nature of their views. They are analgous to the Buchananites, Birchers, Dominionists, Stormfronters, etc for their end of the spectrum. Where the hell are the Center-Left, or Soft Left blogs? Where are the working class Democrats on the internet?
Predominantly unrepresented because its covered on TV, and in the papers. No need for an 'alternative media' outlet for those folks.
The most popular blogs on the internet don't 'slant' Left. They are blogs for dissidents and radicals. Huge difference.
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:42:26am |
re: #613 Killgore Trout
Once again, the stuff exposed in zombietime reports doesn't excuse shouting "kill Obama" at McCain rallies. There are reports that someone was shouting that a a palin rally too. If it becomes a trend it would be very very bad regardless of what the left does.
Wait a minute. At a Palin rally, in a different location? That's too much.
If it becomes a "trend," I'll suspect dirty tricks. An idiot shouting "kill him" is a loner who managed to find his way to the front row. A host of people shouting "kill him" is a coordinated effort.
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Dar ul Harb Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:42:30am |
"Iran-Contra", huh?
I thought it was a neat idea.
--Oliver North
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seekeroftruth Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:42:30am |
re: #612 Cognito
I thought the women who is the head of the LA Now endorsed Palin last night on Greta's show.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:42:47am |
re: #616 Killgore Trout
Addendum.
Charles doesn't tolerate that stuff here and McCain doesn't want it at his rallies. It's bad for business.
If it happens at a rally and Palin or McCain can hear it, it needs to be addressed and put down. I bet Palin could deliver a helluva' lecture to the offender.
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Tigger2005 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:43:28am |
re: #617 MandyManners
Blame the entire party for this?
I guess so. If every single person supporting McCain is not as pure as the driven snow and as sinless as Christ we deserve to lose.
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:43:48am |
re: #615 Killian Bundy
/we should be/succumb to be red?
How are we misunderstanding each other so badly, man?
No. I'm saying the red is awful. I want to see things clicking along in happy fashion. I want to see my tiny bit of stock recover, and I want to keep my job.
Make sense?
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laZardo Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:45:25am |
re: #613 Killgore Trout
Once again, the stuff exposed in zombietime reports doesn't excuse shouting "kill Obama" at McCain rallies. There are reports that someone was shouting that a a palin rally too. If it becomes a trend it would be very very bad regardless of what the left does.
Mobying?
/g'devening, what'd I miss?
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:45:47am |
re: #622 seekeroftruth
I thought the women who is the head of the LA Now endorsed Palin last night on Greta's show.
I don't believe so.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:46:02am |
Obama victory good for the economy?
...once Obama wins, the MSM will no longer have an interest in shoving negative stories down our throats. And on the day he takes office, they'll have an interest in playing up how well things are now going.
...What drives value, stock prices, inflation, employment and everything else that comprises our economy is PERCEPTION.
When businesses think good news is on the horizon, they open up and start hiring and spending. When individuals think good news lies ahead, they open up their wallets and spend.
.....
And once Obama wins? Well, the MSM no longer has a need to push the negative economic story line. While they don't want the economy to recover before Obama takes office (it was embarrassing that the 1992 recession that the MSM hyped in order to help Clinton win was over before Clinton took office), Obama winning will remove much of the incentive to keep pushing the bad news.And with Americans generally being an optimistic bunch of folks, the absence of bad news, even if there is no corresponding increase in 'good' news, will start to lift spirits and lay the groundwork for a economic revival.
Interesting.
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Tigger2005 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:46:24am |
re: #625 Cognito
How are we misunderstanding each other so badly, man?
No. I'm saying the red is awful. I want to see things clicking along in happy fashion. I want to see my tiny bit of stock recover, and I want to keep my job.
Make sense?
I hope you keep your job, but as far as things clicking along in a happy fashion, I don't think we can expect that for a long time. A VERY long time, if we don't kick the children out of office and vote in some adults.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:47:50am |
re: #606 Killgore Trout
Just because the LLL is crazy doesn't excuse it.
I'm not excusing it, Killgore. But by your logic, McCain deserves to win because of the nasty things the left has said about Sarah and her family.
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laZardo Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:47:57am |
re: #628 Killgore Trout
There was an article on CNN suggesting that Obama may be bad for gay marriage, focusing on Prop 8 in California.
What happens is that Obama's campaign has brought out more African-American voters - particularly evangelicals - who have more conservative family stances, and that means they can tip the balance toward gay marriage bans.
/weird how things work out...
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Dar ul Harb Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:48:23am |
re: #620 Cognito
If it becomes a "trend," I'll suspect dirty tricks. An idiot shouting "kill him" is a loner who managed to find his way to the front row. A host of people shouting "kill him" is a coordinated effort.
Just have someone nearby to shout, "Yeah, give'em hell!"
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littleoldlady Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:49:14am |
re: #628 Killgore Trout
Repeating myself...[sheesh]
Does anybody actually listen to Obama?!
He's going to raise taxes on capital gains and add a stock transaction tax. Even if the markets were in good shape right now that would turn them to dreck!
You can't take "spin" to the bank, Killgore...
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:49:16am |
re: #620 Cognito
Wait a minute. At a Palin rally, in a different location? That's too much.
I saw this report yesterdat and thought it must be bogus but now I'm starting to wonder....
Unleashed, Palin Makes a Pit Bull Look Tame
The reception had been better in Clearwater, where Palin, speaking to a sea of "Palin Power" and "Sarahcuda" T-shirts, tried to link Obama to the 1960s Weather Underground. "One of his earliest supporters is a man named Bill Ayers," she said. ("Boooo!" said the crowd.) "And, according to the New York Times, he was a domestic terrorist and part of a group that, quote, 'launched a campaign of bombings that would target the Pentagon and our U.S. Capitol,' " she continued. ("Boooo!" the crowd repeated.)
"Kill him!" proposed one man in the audience.
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tappin52 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:50:05am |
re: #624 Tigger2005
I guess so. If every single person supporting McCain is not as pure as the driven snow and as sinless as Christ we deserve to lose.
I hope that you forgot a sarc/ tag. If not, you're ridiculous.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:50:16am |
re: #633 littleoldlady
Yeah, I think he'll run the economy into the ground.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:51:49am |
re: #622 seekeroftruth
I thought the women who is the head of the LA Now endorsed Palin last night on Greta's show.
Is a spirited introduction an endorsement?
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Dar ul Harb Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:51:52am |
"I just tell the truth on 'em, and they think it's hell."
--Harry S Truman
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:51:55am |
re: #630 Sharmuta
What I'm saying is that "normal" people are not going to show up to rallies where someone is shouting "kill Obama". "Normal people are not going to vote for candidates who hold such rallies. It's bad for business.
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laZardo Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:52:17am |
re: #612 Cognito
Actually I saw that on television this evening. And for what it's worth, it's not quite what you're saying -- there was no endorsement. It's not as though the LA chapter of NOW has endorsed Palin. The other gal simply introduced her.
A big step, of course, but not what you seem to be saying.
NOW endorsing Palin? That seems a stretch given what comes up when one searches their site for her...
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Tigger2005 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:52:18am |
re: #628 Killgore Trout
Obama victory good for the economy?
Interesting.
Uh, it seems like it was "perception" that led to our current crisis. People had the "perception" that things would be great forever, that they could borrow and borrow and borrow and there would be plenty of time to pay everything off, because they'd be making more money, and their homes would be forever increasing in value. And that we could afford huge amounts of government spending because the economy would forever be expanding, thereby increasing tax revenues.
This is desperation talking. The desire for Obama to be a magic fix. But Obama won't fix the fundamental problems. Even if he ushered in a brief period of seeming "recovery," it would quickly fail because we'd make exactly the same mistakes as before, and squander it.
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Tigger2005 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:53:29am |
re: #635 tappin52
I hope that you forgot a sarc/ tag. If not, you're ridiculous.
Of course I was being sarcastic. I was responding to Killgore. Try reading the entire thread.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:54:00am |
re: #634 Killgore Trout
That's nice- look what that reporter called Sarah:
Sen. Lindsey Graham, a McCain confidant, told The Post's David Broder that the campaign would "go down in history as stupid if they don't unleash" Palin. Well, the self-identified pit bull has been unleashed -- if not unhinged.
What an asshole!
And I'm sorry, but I think these are mobys. I find it a little too coincidental that there arte two in one day, and I would hope that if these stories are true, the Secret Service took action since they'd obviously be there.
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:54:35am |
re: #638 MandyManners
Is a spirited introduction an endorsement?
Nah. Van Sustren actually made pains later to clarify that it wasn't an endorsement.
I suppose an endorsement would indicate the support of the woman's office, which she couldn't offer. She was wingin' it.
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seekeroftruth Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:54:44am |
re: #627 Cognito
I don't believe so.
Wrong . This is what is on Greta's Fox page: Supporting Palin N.O.W.
Laura Ingraham weighs in on L.A. N.O.W. president's endorsement of Gov. Palin
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laZardo Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:55:27am |
Speaking of financial crises, I noticed a post on the political forum on my art site re-invoking the Keating scandal that McCain was involved with back during the Savings and Loan fiasco.
How deep did that turn out?
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Dar ul Harb Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:55:38am |
sre: #640 Killgore Trout
What I'm saying is that "normal" people are not going to show up to rallies where someone is shouting "kill Obama". "Normal people are not going to vote for candidates who hold such rallies. It's bad for business.
Seems like from the reporting, if anything, the guy was referring to Ayres.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:55:48am |
re: #640 Killgore Trout
I'm not disagreeing with you on that, but you come in here and say America deserves an 0bama presidency because of a whack job. If I apply that standard to the left, then we'd deserve a McCain presidency.
And for Pete's sake- I think they're mobys trying to make our business look bad.
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tappin52 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:55:59am |
re: #643 Tigger2005
Of course I was being sarcastic. I was responding to Killgore. Try reading the entire thread.
I've been reading the thread. Last night into this morning seems a bit testy.
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laZardo Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:56:25am |
re: #646 seekeroftruth
If the LA Chapter of NOW endorses Palin, that'd put her at odds with the rest of the organization. See my #641.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:56:57am |
re: #648 Dar ul Harb
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Seems like from the reporting, if anything, the guy was referring to Ayres.
That's quite possible. Regardless- the USSS was there and should have done something, and perhaps did.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:58:02am |
re: #638 MandyManners
Is a spirited introduction an endorsement?
I just saw on Fox that she actually said, "I am here today to support Sarah Palin." Sounds like an endorsement to me.
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:58:03am |
re: #646 seekeroftruth
Wrong . This is what is on Greta's Fox page: Supporting Palin N.O.W.
Laura Ingraham weighs in on L.A. N.O.W. president's endorsement of Gov. Palin
What am I meant to be looking at, on that page?
Bear in mind what I'm saying: Yes, the NOW lady introduced Palin at a rally, which is great, but no, there's been no endorsement from NOW.
I'd love to be wrong, though, so please do show me something that says otherwise.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:58:31am |
re: #644 Sharmuta
I find it a little too coincidental that there arte two in one day
I think Palin's speech was last week.
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littleoldlady Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:58:43am |
Crap. What a lousy horrorscope:
Consider making a slight change to the way you go about your daily routine. One little habit may be costing you an immense amount of time. This is a great day to resolve to break that habit for good.
I just hope they're not talking about LGF!
Good day, ALL!™
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:59:20am |
re: #640 Killgore Trout
What I'm saying is that "normal" people are not going to show up to rallies where someone is shouting "kill Obama". "Normal people are not going to vote for candidates who hold such rallies. It's bad for business.
One nutter does not a rally make.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:59:41am |
re: #647 laZardo
He was reprimanded for "poor judgment" but cleared of criminal charges.
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Dar ul Harb Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:59:46am |
re: #652 Sharmuta
That's quite possible. Regardless- the USSS was there and should have done something, and perhaps did.
I certainly hope so. A few hours of questioning by the Secret Service and m0bys wouldn't find this project quite so fun after all.
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yesandno Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:00:02am |
The mighty oak from little acorns grows:
[Link: justsaynodeal.com...]
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:00:04am |
re: #645 Cognito
Nah. Van Sustren actually made pains later to clarify that it wasn't an endorsement.
I suppose an endorsement would indicate the support of the woman's office, which she couldn't offer. She was wingin' it.
See my No. 653.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:00:20am |
re: #660 Dar ul Harb
I certainly hope so. A few hours of questioning by the Secret Service and m0bys wouldn't find this project quite so fun after all.
Indeed.
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tappin52 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:00:58am |
re: #656 littleoldlady
Maybe they're referring to the fruitcup. Stir up the recipe a little.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:01:34am |
re: #653 MandyManners
I just saw on Fox that she actually said, "I am here today to support Sarah Palin." Sounds like an endorsement to me.
Well, she didn't say she was there to support Palin for VP.
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:01:36am |
re: #662 MandyManners
See my No. 653.
I did. But apparently there is a distinction; Van Susteren went on about it later, to correct that there had been no endorsement.
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Tigger2005 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:02:16am |
re: #640 Killgore Trout
What I'm saying is that "normal" people are not going to show up to rallies where someone is shouting "kill Obama". "Normal people are not going to vote for candidates who hold such rallies. It's bad for business.
99% of the people at the rally probably didn't even hear the lone nutter, or Moby, or whatever he was. He might not even have meant "kill him" in the literal sense, he could have just urging Palin to "kill him" figuratively by hammering on Obama's connection to Ayers.
You're making a mountain out of molehill. You're making it sound like Palin was holding some kind of Nuremburg rally.
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laZardo Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:04:06am |
re: #653 MandyManners
It might be a personal endorsement. I posted a link to NOW's website in #641 dating from late August explaining the overall organization's stance toward Palin.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:04:15am |
re: #669 Tigger2005
99% of the people at the rally probably didn't even hear the lone nutter, or Moby, or whatever he was. He might not even have meant "kill him" in the literal sense, he could have just urging Palin to "kill him" figuratively by hammering on Obama's connection to Ayers.
You're making a mountain out of molehill. You're making it sound like Palin was holding some kind of Nuremburg rally.
To top it off, we have leftists possibly blowing nothing out of proportion.
Seriously, KT- if they make that sort of comment about a presidential candidate in the presence of the USSS- there will be action taken.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:06:36am |
re: #671 laZardo
It might be a personal endorsement. I posted a link to NOW's website in #641 dating from late August explaining the overall organization's stance toward Palin.
NOW is not concerned about the issues that matter to real women. They're interested in promoting a socialist agenda. To think I once was a member....
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seekeroftruth Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:06:43am |
re: #638 MandyManners
I thought Greta introduced it as a "surprising endorsement of Palin". I was under the impression that this was a personal endorsement, not an official LA chapter announcement.
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Tigger2005 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:07:12am |
re: #650 tappin52
I've been reading the thread. Last night into this morning seems a bit testy.
I wasn't testy last night, myself, I don't think. I was happy that the Dow closed back over 10,000 and that both McCain and Palin finally went on the attack big time. But I understand if people are on edge. Still, come on, Lizards! Our candidates are fighting and we're obsessing over some idiot at a rally? Lets quit sweating the details, let's look at the big picture, and let's get John McCain & Sarah Palin in the White House!
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:08:19am |
re: #674 seekeroftruth
I thought Greta introduced it as a "surprising endorsement of Palin". I was under the impression that this was a personal endorsement, not an official LA chapter announcement.
Support of Palin or support of Palin as a candidate for VP? Big difference.
I wonder if the shit she'll catch for even being there might lead her to some deep thinking.
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:08:49am |
re: #557 Cognito
I wonder. The markets seem to be running on emotion, these days. If Obama rides a tide of emotion in the White House -- hail the big new thing -- I wonder if the markets wouldn't ride with him.
The markets have always run on anticipation & expectations as the old saw goes, 'buy on the rumor, sell on the news.'
If you want to take the time and do a little work, go back to November & December 2000 and look-up the various statements & press releases of aGore during that period of time he was contesting the election. What you'll see is that on news or rumor that Gore was to concede, the market would rally; the opposite would occur on his decisions to contest. It was during one of these periods before the case went to the Supreme Court that word had it Gore was going to concede when he again decided to contest that the market broke through key-support areas of both the DJI & Compx - the same ones we tested(and might just have broke) yesterday and probably today. The rest, as they say, is history - culminating with the drop after 911 into the low 7k's for the DJI and 1100-1000 for the Compx.
Today's problems are worse, not only do we have a flood of money exiting the markets in anticipation of an Obama win, we've also a very real financial crisis whose root cause can be directly credited to Obama's party and a very real War on top of that - to boot. A War, the Obama party denies.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:08:59am |
re: #675 Tigger2005
I put a link in the spinoffs for a PAC in Michigan trying to raise funds for ads to win the state for McCain/Palin.
Everyone should check them out.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:09:44am |
Who is Jim Kramer to be spreading panic and fear?
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seekeroftruth Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:12:20am |
re: #676 MandyManners
Support of Palin or support of Palin as a candidate for VP? Big difference.
I wonder if the shit she'll catch for even being there might lead her to some deep thinking.
I'm reading it as endorsing Palin for VP, not endorsing Palin as a women. It look like she was breaking rank from NOW, like a lot of women are from the Democrat party, to endorse Palin.
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Spirit93 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:13:36am |
re: #654 Cognito
What am I meant to be looking at, on that page?
Bear in mind what I'm saying: Yes, the NOW lady introduced Palin at a rally, which is great, but no, there's been no endorsement from NOW.
I'd love to be wrong, though, so please do show me something that says otherwise.
You either have a reading comprehension problem or you are full of crap, probably the latter.
Luigi never said NOW endorsed her, he said the president of the LA Chapter of NOW endorsed her. You then decided to rephrase it as "introduced her" as if she was some sort of paid MC and the fact that she was there had no political implication.
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jcw46 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:13:49am |
re: #438 Killian Bundy
Let's keep in mind, the "horse race" we're watching is not "live". The positions of the competitors are being "reported" to us by many having a vested emotional, financial or political interest in a specific outcome. These same "reporters" have NO checks on them to "report" the truth.
To hazard a wager on such "reporting" would be foolish and expensive.
The only "reports" that might be true are the ones paid for by the competitors as they will endeavor to hire the most accurate "reporters" so that they have a true picture of the state of the race.
We all know the Daily Kos Media is distorting and hiding the true state of the competitors and their position in the race. Why do we then believe that other "reporters" are doing so accurately and become concerned that our competitor is behind.
On November 4th remind those who are like minded to Vote. Make sure to Vote.
The ONLY true poll and determination of the winner.
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HD Woman Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:13:54am |
[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]
LA NOW Prez on Palin: 'America, This is What a Feminist Looks Like'
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:14:49am |
re: #680 MandyManners
He's supposedly a really smart guy but I can't stand him. It seems to me that the time to get out of the market was last month. If you're still in now you have to stay in.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:15:13am |
re: #681 seekeroftruth
I'm reading it as endorsing Palin for VP, not endorsing Palin as a women. It look like she was breaking rank from NOW, like a lot of women are from the Democrat party, to endorse Palin.
She did not say she was supporting Palin for VP.
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Scion9 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:16:06am |
re: #659 Killgore Trout
He was reprimanded for "poor judgment" but cleared of criminal charges.
Unfortunately he didn't learn his lesson. He still shows poor judgement today by hanging out with Democrats. Which is essentially what got him in rebuked in the first place.
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:16:30am |
re: #682 Spirit93
You either have a reading comprehension problem or you are full of crap, probably the latter.
Luigi never said NOW endorsed her, he said the president of the LA Chapter of NOW endorsed her. You then decided to rephrase it as "introduced her" as if she was some sort of paid MC and the fact that she was there had no political implication.
It never fails to amaze me when people can't disagree without flinging personal insults. Why did you do that? This isn't a personal issue.
I merely said that there apparently hadn't been an endorsement, which is distinct in some way because Van Susteren had gone some lengths to say so later on her show. I said "introduced" because that's the distinction Van Susteren made. Not me.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:16:40am |
re: #685 Killgore Trout
He's supposedly a really smart guy but I can't stand him. It seems to me that the time to get out of the market was last month. If you're still in now you have to stay in.
Well, he's with NBC so he has an interest in fucking up the economy in order to help NBC's candidate win.
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jcw46 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:17:41am |
re: #673 MandyManners
NOW is not concerned about the issues that matter to real women. They're interested in promoting a socialist agenda. To think I once was a member....
That's OK, I voted for McGovern. Gawd I was so naive. (and so young)
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:18:45am |
re: #689 MandyManners
I was just reading up on that one...
Jim Cramer: Time to get out of the stock market
Still, those with the assets — and the stomach — to ride out the stock market’s ups and down over a five-year period might be best served by holding their nose and holding onto their stocks.“I think what you have to do, if you can withstand it, is just ride it out,” Cramer said.
He's kind of a tightly wound guy and the press in loving the reports of economic trouble. There's some nuance there.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:19:13am |
Somebody broke into my car and stole my GPS last night.
Somebody saw that I had something that they wanted, so they just took it. Sound like an Obama supporter to anyone here?
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HD Woman Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:19:16am |
re: #686 MandyManners
Mandell said she is "proud to support Sarah Palin, a woman who will fight for women's rights ... a woman who will, Lord knows, shake things up."
"Make no mistake," Mandell said. "I'm a life-long Democrat ... I don't agree with Gov. Palin on several issues." And yet, she said, "I know Sarah Palin cares about women’s rights, she cares about equality, she cares about equal pay, and as Vice President she will fight for it. She cares about our children and she cares about women's lives. She's an athlete and she knows what Title Nine did for girls like her."
"It is an honor to call her sister," Mandell said as she handed the microphone over to Palin
I read that as she supports Govenor Palin for VP.
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seekeroftruth Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:19:20am |
re: #654 Cognito
Here are two links all saying "NOW LA Chief Endorses Palin"
[Link: www.breitbart.tv...]
[Link: gretawire.foxnews.com...]
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Pullus Iulius Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:20:07am |
Mencken may have reserved his clearest thinking for his epitaph:
"If, after I depart this vale, you ever remember me and have thought to please my ghost, forgive some sinner, and wink your eye at some homely girl."
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FrogMarch Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:20:41am |
Obama and his Marxist school pals.
Calling Bill Ayers a school reformer is a bit like calling Joseph Stalin an agricultural reformer. . . For instance, at a November 2006 education forum in Caracas, Venezuela, with President Hugo Chávez at his side, Ayers proclaimed his support for “the profound educational reforms under way here in Venezuela under the leadership of President Chávez. We share the belief that education is the motor-force of revolution. . . . I look forward to seeing how you continue to overcome the failings of capitalist education as you seek to create something truly new and deeply humane.” Ayers concluded his speech by declaring that “Venezuela is poised to offer the world a new model of education—a humanizing and revolutionary model whose twin missions are enlightenment and liberation,” and then, as in days of old, raised his fist and chanted: “Viva Presidente Chávez! Viva la Revolucion Bolivariana! Hasta la Victoria Siempre!”. . .
Ayers’s school reform agenda focuses almost exclusively on the idea of teaching for “social justice” in the classroom. This has nothing to do with the social-justice ideals of the Sermon on the Mount or Martin Luther King’s “I Have a Dream” speech. Rather, Ayers and his education school comrades are explicit about the need to indoctrinate public school children with the belief that America is a racist, militarist country and that the capitalist system is inherently unfair and oppressive.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:21:11am |
Description: AMBER ALERT - Alert number 20081003001 - Alert Status : Active
Child Name: Hussain, Tangena NMN
Missing Date Reported: 10032008 Date of Birth: 04102006
Age When Reported Missing: 2 Sex: Female
Race: American Indian or Alska Native Height: 3 ft. 2 in.
Weight: 34 lb. Hair Color: Black
Eye Color: Brown
Endangerment Type: Stranger/Aquaintance Kidnapping
Last Known location: The child was left unattended in a red, 4 door, 1997 Geo Prizm, registration BSH5480/Mi unsecured in the back seat in a remote location at 20500 Greenfield, a Marathon gas station). while the child's mother's boyfriend went inside too purchase gum. When he returned to the vehicle the child was not there. The boyfriend did not check the area for the child, but drove to the mother's work location in Southfield and picked the mother up. The gas station clerk stated she did not see the child The attendant then called her employer who advised her to call 911. Police officers checked the area and spoke with residents, but the child had not been seen. If the child is located or to provide information contact Sgt. McClure with the Detroit Police Department's Violent Crime Task Force at 313-596-2300.
The Detroit Police Department says Tangena Hussain was allegedly abducted by an unknown suspect. Unknown if the suspect used a vehicle. If you have any information on the alleged victim, abductor or vehicle, IMMEDIATELY telephone 911 or Sgt. McClure with the Detroit Police Department's Violent Crime Task Force at 313-596-2300.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:21:46am |
re: #691 jcw46
That's OK, I voted for McGovern. Gawd I was so naive. (and so young)
I voted for Guss Hall/Angela Davis.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:22:43am |
re: #692 Killgore Trout
I was just reading up on that one...
Jim Cramer: Time to get out of the stock marketHe's kind of a tightly wound guy and the press in loving the reports of economic trouble. There's some nuance there.
"Tightly wound"? You could bounce a tire-iron off his aura at times.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:22:48am |
In bad economy, power cutoffs soar
Shut-offs have been running 17 percent higher than last year among customers of New York state's major utilities, and 22 percent higher in economically hard-hit Michigan. They are up in all or part of dozens of other states, including Pennsylvania, Florida and California, according to an Associated Press check of regulators and energy companies.
THIS is why McCain and Palin need to hit on the energy front. These are ripe states where cheap American energy will be a major appeal to voters.
Drill, Baby, drill! Nuke plants now!
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:24:02am |
re: #693 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Somebody broke into my car and stole my GPS last night.
Somebody saw that I had something that they wanted, so they just took it. Sound like an Obama supporter to anyone here?
Can't the company find it?
As far as it being a BHO supporter, I doubt your average thief follows politcs--might be too busy looking for the next fix.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:25:04am |
re: #694 HD Woman
Mandell said she is "proud to support Sarah Palin, a woman who will fight for women's rights ... a woman who will, Lord knows, shake things up."
"Make no mistake," Mandell said. "I'm a life-long Democrat ... I don't agree with Gov. Palin on several issues." And yet, she said, "I know Sarah Palin cares about women’s rights, she cares about equality, she cares about equal pay, and as Vice President she will fight for it. She cares about our children and she cares about women's lives. She's an athlete and she knows what Title Nine did for girls like her."
"It is an honor to call her sister," Mandell said as she handed the microphone over to Palin
I read that as she supports Govenor Palin for VP.
I hadn't read/heard that part about VP.
I'm tending to agree that it was an endorsement for VP.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:25:09am |
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:27:34am |
re: #706 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You want them to nuke plants? How does that help with energy?
/
I don't know- I will have to call my Senators.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:27:34am |
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:27:45am |
re: #695 seekeroftruth
Here are two links all saying "NOW LA Chief Endorses Palin"
[Link: www.breitbart.tv...]
[Link: gretawire.foxnews.com...]
I understand that. But what I'm saying is that I saw later reports -- Van Susteren on her show -- correcting that there wasn't an endorsement. Don't hop on me, though. I'm just relaying what she said.
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Scion9 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:27:48am |
I watched that liveleak 'Kill Him' clip a dozen times and can't make out what the guy is saying. Someone on in the comments says that the shouter is saying "Terrorist". I can't tell personally.
Here is the profile of the guy who posted the clip...
[Link: www.liveleak.com...]
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:29:41am |
re: #697 Spirit93
Your a dissembling liar.
1. That's redundant. Just for future use.
2. What have I lied about exactly? I heard Greta Van Susteren say on her show that she wanted to correct the record: that there had been an introduction, but no endorsement.
I could care less. I'm just passing it along. If it makes you angry, take it up with her.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:30:27am |
It's not news, it's FOX....
CUTE DOLL SPOUTING ISLAMIC MESSAGE AND SOLD ACROSS THE COUNTRY
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Killian Bundy Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:30:59am |
re: #683 jcw46
Let's keep in mind, the "horse race" we're watching is not "live". The positions of the competitors are being "reported" to us by many having a vested emotional, financial or political interest in a specific outcome. These same "reporters" have NO checks on them to "report" the truth.
To hazard a wager on such "reporting" would be foolish and expensive.
The only "reports" that might be true are the ones paid for by the competitors as they will endeavor to hire the most accurate "reporters" so that they have a true picture of the state of the race.
We all know the Daily Kos Media is distorting and hiding the true state of the competitors and their position in the race. Why do we then believe that other "reporters" are doing so accurately and become concerned that our competitor is behind./I ha a a Fender heavy pick petween my teeth, Walk Away
On November 4th remind those who are like minded to Vote. Make sure to Vote.
The ONLY true poll and determination of the winner.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:32:09am |
re: #710 Scion9
I can't make it out either. It's odd but I don't know what to think.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:33:39am |
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jcw46 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:33:42am |
re: #703 Sharmuta
In bad economy, power cutoffs soar
Shut-offs have been running 17 percent higher than last year among customers of New York state's major utilities, and 22 percent higher in economically hard-hit Michigan. They are up in all or part of dozens of other states, including Pennsylvania, Florida and California, according to an Associated Press check of regulators and energy companies.Drill, Baby, drill! Nuke plants now!
The person they highlighted in Harrisburg, Pa area was ONLY $65 in arrears! That's a little harsh, no? Perhaps they cherry picked the available cut-offs for the smallest owed but even so. $65 and she was cut off. This is the power companies playing PR games to psych people out, I think. Since they're a monopoly they don't care much about bad press so don't think I'm wrong because it's such a negative PR thing.
Also; for the last year the press has trumpeted at every chance how bad the economy was getting --- Hope they're happy now.
Investing has a large guess-factor/emotional basis. Hearing that things are gonna go bad makes people nervous and then lo and behold, a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:34:57am |
re: #717 jcw46
The person they highlighted in Harrisburg, Pa area was ONLY $65 in arrears! That's a little harsh, no? Perhaps they cherry picked the available cut-offs for the smallest owed but even so. $65 and she was cut off. This is the power companies playing PR games to psych people out, I think. Since they're a monopoly they don't care much about bad press so don't think I'm wrong because it's such a negative PR thing.
Also; for the last year the press has trumpeted at every chance how bad the economy was getting --- Hope they're happy now.
Investing has a large guess-factor/emotional basis. Hearing that things are gonna go bad makes people nervous and then lo and behold, a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Psy-war.
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Scion9 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:35:06am |
re: #698 FrogMarch
...the media spent weeks puzzling over whether Palin wanted to teach creationism in schools. (For the umpteenth time, she doesn’t.) Don’t we get to know if Obama wanted to teach Marxism?
The angle on Ayers-Obama in your link is what is missing from the GOPs, the McCain campaign's attempts to get to Obama by way of their association.
That Ayers bombed the Pentagon ~40 years ago doesn't matter. That he is unrepentant doesn't matter.
They need to hammer on Ayer's ideology, or move on.
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Cap'n DOC Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:35:17am |
re: #688 Cognito
Yes, And you are apparently full of crap and failed a reading comprehension test the last time I checked.
Parse it. It read to me like an endorsement. Of course, I'd leave it to you to be reading between the lines.
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loveguru Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:35:24am |
who knows name of this book?....... i wanna buy this.
thanks in advance :)
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JustMyView Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:36:02am |
re: #611 Luigi
The media has blacked-out the very important endorsement of Palin by the president of the LA Chapter of NOW. Even The Los Angeles Times has relegated it to their so-called LABlogs section which perhaps is not even in their print edition. Certainly, it is an inside feature.
[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]
An important story right in their own backyard and The Los Angeles Times deep-sixes it for politcally correct reasons. No respect for the truth. No respect for their profession of journalism. No respect for the sacrifice the troops are making for their constitutional right of freedom of the press.
Have a nice day.
The article you linked to points out that the speaker was there on her own behalf, not as a representative of NOW. NOW has endorsed Obama.
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jcw46 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:37:08am |
re: #711 Cognito
Your a dissembling liar.1. That's redundant. Just for future use.
2. What have I lied about exactly? I heard Greta Van Susteren say on her show that she wanted to correct the record: that there had been an introduction, but no endorsement.
I could care less. I'm just passing it along. If it makes you angry, take it up with her.
Actually, no it's not. A dissembler is a liar but a liar may/may not be dissembling.
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:37:28am |
re: #721 Cap'n DOC
Yes, And you are apparently full of crap and failed a reading comprehension test the last time I checked.
Parse it. It read to me like an endorsement. Of course, I'd leave it to you to be reading between the lines.
Yes. Once again. I'm not reading between any lines. No parsing involved. I'm simply passing along what Van Susteren herself said later during the show. If it makes you angry, write her a letter.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:37:36am |
re: #723 JustMyView
The article you linked to points out that the speaker was there on her own behalf, not as a representative of NOW. NOW has endorsed Obama.
Oh, come on! No where in Luigi's post did he claim that NOW endorsed Palin. READ THE FUCKING POST AGAIN.
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Cap'n DOC Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:37:56am |
re: #688 Cognito
I merely said that there apparently hadn't been an endorsement, which is distinct in some way because Van Susteren had gone some lengths to say so later on her show.
Emphasis added for your enlightenment. Or is that not what you said?
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:38:35am |
re: #725 Cognito
Yes. Once again. I'm not reading between any lines. No parsing involved. I'm simply passing along what Van Susteren herself said later during the show. If it makes you angry, write her a letter.
Did you read No. 694?
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:39:10am |
re: #722 loveguru
who knows name of this book?....... i wanna buy this.
thanks in advance :)
The Jewel of Medina
[Link: www.beaufortbooks.com...]
/hat tip: Basho
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Cap'n DOC Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:40:09am |
re: #725 Cognito
I'm not reading between any lines.
Excuse me. I misspoke. You're apparently reading between the comments.
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seekeroftruth Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:40:42am |
re: #709 Cognito
I understand that. But what I'm saying is that I saw later reports -- Van Susteren on her show -- correcting that there wasn't an endorsement. Don't hop on me, though. I'm just relaying what she said.
I won't hop on you. : -) It's hard not to reach the conclusion that this was an endorsement of Palin as VP from the Breitbart and HD Woman's #694 post from ABC news. However, it is weird that Greta corrected her initial statement about a surprising endorsement.
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:41:22am |
re: #727 Cap'n DOC
Emphasis added for your enlightenment. Or is that not what you said?
For heaven's sake. Yes. Take it up with Van Susteren. Or the NOW lady. It's their deal, not mine.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:41:28am |
re: #722 loveguru
who knows name of this book?....... i wanna buy this.
thanks in advance :)
Not to be rude, but did you not read the article?
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FrogMarch Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:41:45am |
re: #708 MandyManners
No way BHO can say he didn't know about that.
After 20 years Obama says he never heard Wright say anything crazy.
20 years. We
I like Jennifer's closing remarks.
So even if Obama is never queried on whether he was the only adult in Chicago unaware of Ayers’s Weather Underground background, shouldn’t someone ask why he was working for and helping to fund an organization which supported this type of curriculum? Again, perhaps he wasn’t paying attention, or they never mentioned all this in his presence, or Obama figured out it was all a bunch of bunk, but it seems it is an area worth exploring. After all, the media spent weeks puzzling over whether Palin wanted to teach creationism in schools. (For the umpteenth time, she doesn’t.) Don’t we get to know if Obama wanted to teach Marxism?
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laZardo Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:41:52am |
re: #703 Sharmuta
Yeah, keep America suckling from the big corporate teat of oil that got us into these disastrous conflicts for decades!
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Scion9 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:42:30am |
re: #730 Sharmuta
Jewel of Medina is a Dhimmi book. It follows the life of Aisha, and paints the entire relationship with her pedophilac 54 year old husband in a positive light.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:43:14am |
re: #736 FrogMarch
It was just two years ago that Ayers said that. BHO was still attending Wright's congregation this year.
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Ford_Prefect Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:43:21am |
Good Morning Lizards!
Well, my Sox are headed to the ALCS against Tampa Bay! What a great game! One for the ages.
Hope everyone out there is in as good a mood as I am. I figure the west coast isn't up yet so not too many Angels fans here yet. Sorry Chicago. Maybe next year.
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Ford_Prefect Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:48:17am |
Hmmm. Reading upthread people seem a little testy today. Lighten up people. Have a cup of coffee. Maybe a donut or bagel. Take a deep breath and enjoy the fact that you are alive.
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lifeofthemind Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:48:22am |
Newspapers
The Sun was not fishwrap and it is gone
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jcw46 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:48:43am |
re: #735 Sharmuta
I found this "interesting".
Prof Spellberg wrote in the Wall Street Journal: "I used my scholarly expertise to assess the novel. It was in that same professional capacity that I felt it my duty to warn the press of the novel's potential to provoke anger among some Muslims.
"There is a long history of anti-Islamic polemic that uses sex and violence to attack the Prophet and his faith. This novel follows in that oft-trodden path, one first pioneered in medieval Christian writings."
Well even given that it occurred 1500+ years ago, pedophilia is still pedophilia and she was 6(?), so to my mind stating the truth is not an "attack" Ms Spellberg. (plus the "sex and violence" was on the part of Mo.)
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:49:29am |
re: #742 Ford_Prefect
Hmmm. Reading upthread people seem a little testy today. Lighten up people. Have a cup of coffee. Maybe a donut or bagel. Take a deep breath and enjoy the fact that you are alive.
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jcw46 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:50:04am |
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:51:34am |
re: #744 jcw46
There is a long history of anti-Islamic polemic that uses sex and violence to attack the Prophet and his faith. This novel follows in that oft-trodden path, one first pioneered in medieval Christian writings
She calls him the Prophet!
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Ford_Prefect Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:51:48am |
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:51:53am |
We should call our Senators and demand an investigation into this surge of crankiness. Really get our money's worth.
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jcw46 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:52:16am |
re: #742 Ford_Prefect
Hmmm. Reading upthread people seem a little testy today. Lighten up people. Have a cup of coffee. Maybe a donut or bagel. Take a deep breath and enjoy the fact that you are alive.
you must be morning person with this hale fellow hearty stuff.
bite me. :>
/teasing
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FrogMarch Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:53:11am |
re: #739 MandyManners
It was just two years ago that Ayers said that. BHO was still attending Wright's congregation this year.
The media never asks Obama relevant questions. you know like - "Why are all your political friends either crazy, anti-american, anti-capitalist, Marxist, or a combination of?" -or- "What do you think about your board partner William Ayres - and his political adoration of Hugo Chavez"?
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Ford_Prefect Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:54:45am |
re: #750 jcw46
Actually I am running on just four hours sleep for the second day in a row thanks to the mlb scheduling gods putting the Red Sox games on late. But they won, so it's all good!
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:55:00am |
re: #748 Ford_Prefect
LOL. Now you're talking. Good morning Mandy. How are you on this fine day?
Alive and well. How're you?
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FrogMarch Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:55:03am |
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jcw46 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:55:18am |
re: #743 lifeofthemind
Newspapers
The Sun was not fishwrap and it is gone
Yes, but it was "thin". Literally page wise and figuratively content wise.
It only came out what 6 days a week? Also competing with 6 other major papers in predominantly leftist/liberal market. More popular upstate and in some areas of CT.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:55:43am |
re: #751 FrogMarch
The media never asks Obama relevant questions. you know like - "Why are all your political friends either crazy, anti-american, anti-capitalist, Marxist, or a combination of?" -or- "What do you think about your board partner William Ayres - and his political adoration of Hugo Chavez"?
I pray that McCain and Palin keep doing it.
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alien_mind Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:55:58am |
WOW, CNN does actual investigative journalism about the Ayers/Obama relationship. They say Obama is lying!
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:56:07am |
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Typicalwhitey Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:56:26am |
Anyone seen this yet?
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Dar ul Harb Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:56:45am |
re: #706 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You want them to nuke plants? How does that help with energy?
/
Umm... they won't be using up as much solar?
/
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Typicalwhitey Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:56:54am |
re: #758 alien_mind
WOW, CNN does actual investigative journalism about the Ayers/Obama relationship. They say Obama is lying!
GMTA!
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laZardo Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:56:54am |
re: #742 Ford_Prefect
/takes a deep breath
//finds himself clinging to life due to Manila smog being particularly bad this evening
/// hi (:
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:57:07am |
Marxists to the left of me, defeatists to the right. Here I am stuck in the middle with....?
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pittrader1988 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:58:32am |
Since it's an open thread, I thought I would take advantage of it.
It's the economy stupid was the refrain in 1992, and the same could be said today. We passed a bail out bill, but what really needs to happen to go forward and make this thing work.
The problem is not the stock market. The problem is the interbank credit market. Banks do not trust each others balance sheets, so they are unable to trade with one another. When they can't trade, you can't get money. Why? They have to rely on only their own deposits to lend out cash.
So how do we fix it?
Today they are meeting in NYC on creating a clearing house. At the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, they have the best clearing house in the world, along with the best electronic trading system to access it. A clearing house works by taking the opposite side of each trade (selling to the buyer, and buying from the seller) and netting out the position. It accepts cash from both the buyer and the seller to hold the trade on its books. When the value of the trade changes, it collects and distributes more cash to the buyer and seller depending on who is correct on the trade.
If they use the CME clearing house to guarantee OTC trades, then the credit market will begin to flow relatively quickly. Costs of borrowing should go down.
Hopefully, they set it up the way it is now. Private industry doing the work, government providing the oversight. None of this quasi-govt agency crap. We know that doesn't work.
If they don't use a clearinghouse, dark days loom ahead.
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jcw46 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:58:37am |
re: #760 Typicalwhitey
Anyone seen this yet?
This was too good to not repeat:
“CNN commits a random act of journalism.”
Now that’s funny right there. Or would be if the truth of the statement weren’t so frightening in its implications.
RickZ on October 7, 2008 at 7:47 AM
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FrogMarch Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:59:51am |
So this bullshit headline is what's up on Yahoo news.
McCain still haunted by role in banking scandal
No mention of Obama and Ayres.
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Typicalwhitey Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:00:16am |
re: #766 jcw46
This was too good to not repeat:
“CNN commits a random act of journalism.”Now that’s funny right there. Or would be if the truth of the statement weren’t so frightening in its implications.
RickZ on October 7, 2008 at 7:47 AM
We can thank Govenor Palin for this!
She is out there loud and clear on this issue and because she is watched by the media so closely, they have no choice but to cover this!
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seekeroftruth Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:00:37am |
re: #758 alien_mind
WOW, CNN does actual investigative journalism about the Ayers/Obama relationship. They say Obama is lying!
Interesting! There seems to be a few truthful Obama articles dribbling out from the MSM in the last few days.
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laZardo Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:01:25am |
re: #768 FrogMarch
My default Firefox BBC RSS has "Obama digs up McCain scandal."
/hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh
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FrogMarch Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:01:40am |
re: #760 Typicalwhitey
Anyone seen this yet?
CNN will soon get a call fro the Obama campaign. CNN better get back in line.
(back to lying)
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Typicalwhitey Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:02:12am |
re: #768 FrogMarch
So this bullshit headline is what's up on Yahoo news.
McCain still haunted by role in banking scandal
No mention of Obama and Ayres.
McCain was cleared by the Senate Ethics Committee
He also said that was the biggest mistake of his life, that even the appearance of quid pro quo was wrong and he has NEVER put up pork barrell spending, not even ONCE in his entire career.
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Cognito Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:02:46am |
re: #770 seekeroftruth
Interesting! There seems to be a few truthful Obama articles dribbling out from the MSM in the last few days.
Honestly I wonder if it's not a sense of self-preservation kicking in. Many people's lofty ideals about the Democratic party went out the window when the market tanked and people got a decent grasp of what -- and who -- precipitated it.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:02:56am |
re: #758 alien_mind
WOW, CNN does actual investigative journalism about the Ayers/Obama relationship. They say Obama is lying!
Initial beef with the report: WU was not just an anti-war group.
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lifeofthemind Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:03:39am |
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Typicalwhitey Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:03:41am |
re: #775 Cognito
Honestly I wonder if it's not a sense of self-preservation kicking in. Many people's lofty ideals about the Democratic party went out the window when the market tanked and people got a decent grasp of what -- and who -- precipitated it.
It is because of PALIN.
She is hitting this every day and the msm has to cover it.
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jcw46 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:03:46am |
re: #765 pittrader1988
I would like more proof that the credit crunch is real. Have read much about this and also that it ain't so.
I also am suspect of the timing; they didn't know about this last month or 3 months ago?
This has other dimensions which, thanks to a supine media, we'll probably never find out about.
By your nic, I assume you wish us to infer a wall street connection? If so, please enlighten us, briefly, with any info you care to share.
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HD Woman Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:04:13am |
re: #709 Cognito
I understand that. But what I'm saying is that I saw later reports -- Van Susteren on her show -- correcting that there wasn't an endorsement. Don't hop on me, though. I'm just relaying what she said.
No worries, I've got a drill and a funnel handy.
She is a NOW official that is not cowtowing to the Democratic agenda of some of the other NOW officials. She is whole-heartedly giving Govenor Palin her personal endorsement for VP(and double daring them to question her feminist credentials).
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FrogMarch Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:04:21am |
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jcw46 Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:05:47am |
re: #768 FrogMarch
So this bullshit headline is what's up on Yahoo news.
McCain still haunted by role in banking scandal
No mention of Obama and Ayres.
Or Bennett, the Democrat investigative lawyer, who said that McCain was only kept in investigation so that it wouldn't only be Dems being accused.
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alien_mind Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:06:00am |
re: #776 MandyManners
Initial beef with the report: WU was not just an anti-war group.
well, okay. but you have to give them at least partial credit for running a negative piece on The One.
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FrogMarch Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:06:18am |
re: #774 Typicalwhitey
McCain was cleared by the Senate Ethics Committee
He also said that was the biggest mistake of his life, that even the appearance of quid pro quo was wrong and he has NEVER put up pork barrell spending, not even ONCE in his entire career.
Keating is a non-story at this point. But there it is - right on schedule - bullshit cover for the precious lying Obama campaign.
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Typicalwhitey Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:06:31am |
What did you think of the picture on hotair that accompanied that article?
It is even worse than the one that is usually associated with the rolling stone article.
I'd like to knock that smartasses head off.
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pingjockey Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:06:45am |
Mornin' all. CNN actually reported a true obambi fact? Gee, just like a real news organization.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:06:51am |
Who put tangerines in the fruit cup? Yuck!
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:08:08am |
re: #758 alien_mind
WOW, CNN does actual investigative journalism about the Ayers/Obama relationship. They say Obama is lying!
I did not know that one school Ayers supported was a "peace" school or that another was an "African-American" school.
I learned something new today from CNN.
WHERE'S THE FLYING PIG?
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laZardo Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:08:51am |
re: #788 MandyManners
I had to keep it muzzled for the time being. I think I saw a CAIR van circling my block.
/ q:
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lifeofthemind Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:09:19am |
The Clinton News Network speaks? Must be fun at the internal meetings as the Clintonistas and the Obamaniacs go at it.
I want the popcorn concession.
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pingjockey Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:09:21am |
re: #777 lifeofthemind
Just carry the extra large can of "Moonbat Away". Can be found at your local sporting goods store disguised as bear spray.
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loveguru Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:09:28am |
re: #735 Sharmuta
Not to be rude, but did you not read the article?
well i myself is a descender of a family, whose 60% members were butchered by Islamist and my gandma had seen getting his sister-in-law raped as the world had ignored the big capastrophe of indian partition.... after rape they sacked her into peaces!... my grandpa was hidding with childrens, and was chocking the mouth of her new born child(my uncle)... so rest of childrens can be saved....
the story repeat again and again... Irony is that we give so much weightage to religious bigots rather then sharing pain of each other.... so i see Jewel of medina as a big step, to pay tribute to those innocent victims which had hardly done anything wrong to harm others... but had faced such a cruelty from commanders of Allah ( the most merciful, and most beneficiary... my foot!)
being direct rather then being rude, but i for me what really matters is respect to Human life rather then respect to some hate filled ideology of a 6th century pedophile warlord...
and i am speaking about Mohammed, the prophet pretender ( Peace of upon that poor soul, whose identity only brought sufferings to this world..... and i am praying for him... because if i don't then such poor soul will burn in hell for ever... )
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laZardo Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:09:52am |
re: #774 Typicalwhitey
OR WAS HE?
/dun dun duuuunnnnn
//watch out, that's the kicker behind their "digging it up"
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HD Woman Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:10:18am |
re: #760 Typicalwhitey
Anyone seen this yet?
Wow! if CNN is saying it, must be true!
do I really need a sarc tag?
Seriously though, WOW. I guess they figured the story was already too far out there to be reeigned back in... or I smell Clinton?
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Typicalwhitey Tue, Oct 7, 2008 5:10:19am |
re: #784 FrogMarch
Keating is a non-story at this point. But there it is - right on schedule - bullshit cover for the precious lying Obama campaign.
The big difference too is this.
If this is brought up tonight at the debate, McCain will explain it in detail, admit the appearance of wrongdoing, reiterate the apologies he issued at the time, remind them he was cleared by the Ethics committee and say he never ever uses pork barrel spending so that even the appearance of wrongdoing would never come up again.
What will the o say about ayers?
He will lie it is as simple as that.
I liked how in the cnn report, the woman who was obamas mentor says that she was just an invitee and did NOT organize it like obama said.
He shouldn't have screwed her over.....his chickens are coming home to roost also!
