I have some hope that the debate will remind everyone what the stakes really are.

We are so hosed.

True but it just won't happen... this is going to be all economy, all the time...

And Obama will retort that he is being 'Swiftboated'... Of course, once again, all of the 'swiftboating' is 100% true... So, we can't tell the truth about Obama and spread it without being 'smeared' as swiftboaters...

Obama is like John Gotti, the teflon Don...

Focus on what?

This election is about whether there will be a nuclear holocaust.

This is an election about whether or not we, in this country, see evil when it is staring at us and confront it.

0bama wants to talk to Iran. That's all I need to know.

Trust me, The concept of Nuke War has not gone away in my mind. as soo as the Wall fell in, it's been borrowed time until a Islamic nutbag gets a nuke.

CNN's "journalism" has consisted far more of playing re-runs of Saturday Night Live skits than addressing actual political issues. For CNN, as for much of the rest of the MSM, it's all about entertainment -- nothing more.

which candidate will prevent it.

I'm voting for the candidate who understands the enemy the best, not the one that knows it the best.

re: #3 tfc3rid

Obama is like John Gotti, the teflon Don...

Thanks to the unrelenting cover of the majority of the MSM...

Yes, and it's not just Iran we need to worry about. Plenty of Axis of Evil machinations to go around.

///But Obama wants "tough, direct diplomacy." What more do you need for reassurance?

Yeah, me too.

Well, I agree that it's probably the most important issue, but, just like the 30's in Germany, the economy is the major issue among the man on the street.

And, if memory searves me correct, Hitler used the problems with Germany's economy to rally the Volks behind his insidious plans.

John Q's life doesn't change next week if Iran has a bomb. But his life does change if t he economy is failing. And he feels this effect every day, every hour.

The economy is the issue that will decide who becomes our next CIC.

President Bush said you're either with us or with the terrorists.

I know how I'm voting.

Its not a nuclear holocaust, its just the coming of the Mahdi.

/

I've never heard Obama come right out and say, "We must not allow Iran to acquire nuclear weapons". If someone has, please correct me.

OT:

MOST INSANELY PRO-OBAMA NEWS STORY YET:

Kenya Deports Jeromi Corso

Corsi's book claims the Illinois senator is a dangerous, radical candidate for president and includes innuendoes and false rumors — that he was raised a Muslim and attended a radical black church.

Obama is a Christian who attended Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, and his campaign picks apart the book's claims on the Obama campaign's rumor-fighting Web site, FightTheSmears.com.

Obama was raised a Muslim and attended a radical black Church! Do we live in an alternative reality?

I can't figure why everyone's scared to call Obama what he is, a hard core socialist.

/in Europe, it'd be a badge of honor, is this Europe?

Not to worry. Zbig Brezinski (Carter's Sec State) is advising the ONE. That should make us all feel much better.

/sarc

pssst, spppsspppess, sss...sss pssstsss..

Anti-Edgar spray. I got a full can.

re: #20 Walter L. Newton

I brought the Cone of Silence.

I agree with Obama,
to stop Iran,

We need to invade Pakistan.

/

#17
I read that this morning, too. Sheeesh. I pictured the reporter sitting with fingers in ears, chanting, "Lalalalalalalalalala," just like a kid who doesn't want to hear something.

re: #18 Killian Bundy

I can't figure why everyone's scared to call Obama what he is, a hard core socialist.

/in Europe, it'd be a badge of honor, is this Europe?

I prefer the term communist. Its the term I've used from day one.

Rush using the Saturday Night Live clip being covered up.

re: #16 Intrepid
Obama: Iran threatens all of us

Obama said global leaders must do whatever it takes to stop Iran from enriching uranium and acquiring nuclear weapons. He called Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad "reckless, irresponsible and inattentive" to the day-to-day needs of the Iranian people.

The Iranian "regime is a threat to all of us," Obama said.

While Obama wouldn't rule out force, he said the United States should engage in "aggressive diplomacy combined with tough sanctions" to prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear threat.

It's not just the survival of Israel that is at issue with Iran. We absolutely fdo not want a nuclear arms race in the Middle East, involving Syria, Jordan, Egypt, et al.

Why doesn't Obama get that?

re: #20 Walter L. Newton

pssst, spppsspppess, sss...sss pssstsss..

Anti-Edgar spray. I got a full can.

Toss it thisaway.

re: #18 Killian Bundy

Probably because if it comes from someone opposed to him, then that will be a racist thing to say as well?

re: #21 buzzsawmonkey

No, he said he "would do everything in his power to prevent it."

Of course,once he get's in office, the announcment will be that there is nothing he can do since the failure of the Bush Administration to engage Iran directly gave Iran the time to build their bomb. As a result, he is going to have to resort to direct talks to use diplomacy to contain it...just as Chamberlain used diplomacy to contain Hitler.

re: #27 Killgore Trout

Obama: Iran threatens all of us

Is that with our without preconditions?

re: #22 Sharmuta

I brought the Cone of Silence.

Look, if it drives a Lizard crazy NOT answering Edgar, why don't we quote all his posts and then simply respond...

psssts...sss.s.s.ssspsssttt...pssst.

re: #33 Walter L. Newton

Look, if it drives a Lizard crazy NOT answering Edgar, why don't we quote all his posts and then simply respond...

psssts...sss.s.s.ssspsssttt...psss ssst.

HA! I love it.

re: #8 J.S.

CNN's "journalism" has consisted far more of playing re-runs of Saturday Night Live skits than addressing actual political issues. For CNN, as for much of the rest of the MSM, it's all about entertainment -- nothing more.

TV News is entertainment - nothing more.

re: #27 Killgore Trout

Obama: Iran threatens all of us

While

Obama wouldn't rule out force, he said the United States should engage in "aggressive diplomacy combined with tough sanctions" to prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear threat.

THATS A GREAT IDEA!

Uh, I thought we did that?

re: #29 MandyManners

Toss it thisaway.

*whack* I think it hit rawmuse after I threw it.

Anybody want to start a business with me? We can prebuild and store modular and adaptable strongly worded diplomatic notes, and a separate line of formal demarches. If Obama gets in we can get rich.

re: #32 MandyManners

I assume he's sticking to unconditional talks with Iran.

#24

That was an AP "news" story. It is the naked plug for Obama's 'Fight the Smears' website that takes the bias to a whole new level.

Who wants to focus on nuclear Iran, or a China that wants to take Taiwan or Pakistan's instability even as the Islamists are surging there as its nuclear arsenal hangs in the balance when you can talk of Ayers and ties to unrepentant terrorists or racists (Wright) or criminals (Rezko)?

Well, for one thing - that all goes who should lead. It goes to character and fitness to be President. It goes to judgment - both casually and for snap decisions.

Presidents have to make both.

McCain's judgment is off at times (and that's being charitable), but Obama's is spectacularly off to have surrounded himself with terrorists, racists, and anti-American leftists.

Who is better capable of dealing with a nuclear Iran? The one who isn't surrounding himself with anti-American leftists. That would be McCain.

re: #19 MJBrutus

Not to worry. Zbig Brezinski (Carter's Sec State) is advising the ONE. That should make us all feel much better.

/sarc

He was Sec. Defense, not State. Cyrus Vance was Sec. State - he was the one who resigned after the failure at Desert One. Not out of disgust with the failure, mind you, but because Carter tried a military option to rescue the hostages.

re: #39 Killgore Trout

I assume he's sticking to unconditional talks with Iran.

Hmmm, I don't know, ask Edgar. He's an expert on negoiations.

/sarc - sorry Killgore

re: #40 Sorge

#24

That was an AP "news" story. It is the naked plug for Obama's 'Fight the Smears' website that takes the bias to a whole new level.

Fight the Smears has become a way to smear Obama's opponents.

Sorry, forgot the linky? They're not tulips and you can't tiptoe through them.

/The Audacity of Socialism, dog regurgitated all your homework in your lap

re: #36 ibmkeyboard

We did. Iranians don't care. In fact, they probably love it as long as the centrifuges are spinning. If the Israelis were going to take care of it they would have done it by now. After the election it will be more difficult and would surely anger Chairman Obama.

Here is the question for Obama that I have been asking for over a year (and would LOVE to see asked at a town-hall):

Senator Obama, given the interference of Russian in the UN security council, and the failure of multilateral negotiations with the EU to date, at what point do you conclude that negotiations with Iran over its covert nuclear weapons program have failed?

Do you have a "red line" to employ military force against Iran, unilaterally, if necessary, PRIOR to its actual detonation of a nuclear weapon?

Too bad the LLL people don't consider a nuclear Iran to be a big deal at all.
They are too consumed with Haliburton, Valerie Plame, Katrina, etc.. to see the biggest challenge the world has ever faced.

The founding fathers were right; there is a segment of the population that should never be allowed to vote. We are closer to mob rule than you think.

re: #42 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

He was Sec. Defense, not State. Cyrus Vance was Sec. State - he was the one who resigned after the failure at Desert One. Not out of disgust with the failure, mind you, but because Carter tried a military option to rescue the hostages.

No, the Z man was Carter's National Security Advisor. Harold Brown was Carter's Sec Def.

re: #42 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

He was Sec. Defense, not State. Cyrus Vance was Sec. State - he was the one who resigned after the failure at Desert One. Not out of disgust with the failure, mind you, but because Carter tried a military option to rescue the hostages.

Zbig was National Security Advisor, the devil's parody of Kissinger. He was also the junior anti-Semite after Carter, but he tries hard.

re: #30 NR Pax

Probably because if it comes from someone opposed to him, then that will be a racist thing to say as well?

/he's going to win with that attitude

re: #51 Athos

No, the Z man was Carter's National Security Advisor. Harold Brown was Carter's Sec Def.

Ah. I stand corrected.

OT:
For those trying to find out more about Tom Ayers (Bill's dad) and other Ayers family members, found this - apparently a blog by one of Bill's nieces.

re: #47 Killgore Trout

We did. Iranians don't care. In fact, they probably love it as long as the centrifuges are spinning. If the Israelis were going to take care of it they would have done it by now. After the election it will be more difficult and would surely anger Chairman Obama.

Chairman Obama...chuckle

Rush playing the SNL clip - too funny!

re: #37 Walter L. Newton

*whack* I think it hit rawmuse after I threw it.

No, I am wearing my splatter guard.

re: #47 Killgore Trout

We did. Iranians don't care. In fact, they probably love it as long as the centrifuges are spinning. If the Israelis were going to take care of it they would have done it by now. After the election it will be more difficult and would surely anger Chairman Obama.

Assuming an Obama win, the timing for the Israelis would be after the election, but before the inauguration. That also, by the way, would be the timing of action by the Bush administration.

If McCain wins, both parties will punt to a McCain administration, as his position "The only thing worse than war with Iran is Iran with nuclear weapons" is crystal clear.

#51;

Z-man doesn't have the grounding on reality to advise a termite colony on territorial defense.

Wow. Carter was THAT bad.

That's the equivalent of William Ayers becoming Secretary of Education...

#57
Yeah, I didn't realize the Sandlers were real people Saturday night. There's an article in the SF Chronicle about them. They maintain their loans weren't the ones that drug Wachovia down.
I LOVE Kristen Wiig's Nancy Pelosi! She's got that squirelly squintiness down pat. Armisen really nailed Barney Frank, too.

I believe the average citizen grossly misunderstands what it means for a nation to become a member of the nuclear club and thinks somehow we negotiate our way out of this.There is not a carrot big enough to deter the likes of Iran the PRK or Hugo Chavez but there is a big enough stick.

re: #46 taxfreekiller

That's hilarious. I would love to see Barack, who allegedly quit smoking, trying to ignore the sweet, sweet smell of tobacco. Maybe McCain could light up in front of him -- I'll bet he knows how to blow smoke rings.

re: #58 rawmuse

No, I am wearing my splatter guard.

OT for Mr. Muse

I may be a little later with that treatment for you, probably beginning of next week. Some piece meal computer work came up so I have a few things to do this week. Can't pass up a few bucks here and there.

But I may send on the preforated script now.

re: #49 tunnelrat

Too bad the LLL people don't consider a nuclear Iran to be a big deal at all.
They are too consumed with Haliburton, Valerie Plame, Katrina, etc.. to see the biggest challenge the world has ever faced.

Having nukes is one thing. Getting them to where you want them to go "foom" is something else. Iran does not have the missile tech to get a nuke to Israel, let alone here. The North Koreans don't have one either. Other than a nuclear IED, neither has a delivery system--and a small suitcase nuke takes a certain degree of sophistication to make--which Iran does not have. Just keep that in mind. Is Iran a threat--ya you betcha. It's not as big as one might think.

Here is an article by Naomi Jaffe (Weather Underground)just a few days ago, notice the title:

The Wicked Witch Is Dead. Why Aren't We Dancing in the Streets?by Naomi Jaffe

[Link: [Link: www.commondreams.org...]...]

Quote"So what's good about this crisis? For starters, it has already brought strong cries of outrage from expected and unexpected quarters; more voices than ever before are demanding that social wealth be used for the benefit of all. It has provided vindication and legitimacy to voices of dissent and change.

It has opened up possibilities. It may restore a bit of multilateral balance to the one-superpower world. It may put a check on the pre-emptive, regime-changing, shock-and-awe militarism that has brought so much suffering and death. It may open up a bit of breathing space for the Latin American experiment in not being the U.S.A.'s back yard. It may encourage the growth of an alternative vision beyond the Republicrats and the Democans. It may put the brakes on some of the greed that is plunging the earth into climate destruction. It may allow, for the first time in 500 years, a global culture to emerge that is not dominated by white people.

Above all, if we allow ourselves to imagine it, if we organize ourselves to fight for it, it opens a window into the possibility of an entirely different sort of world, one based on the wellbeing of humans and the earth instead of on short-term greed and violent aggression - a world free from capitalism.

I may be out there all by myself, but I'm going to go do a hopeful little dance in the street."

She has been really active working for the messiah's cause.
[Link: my.barackobama.com...]

re: #18 Killian Bundy

Because the youth today doesn't know that is a bad thing. Public Education and all.

re: #60 Sorge

Obama has a list of advisors that, even when we exclude the ex-Carter advisors, that makes one wonder if they have any real grasp on reality or can even recognize evil.

Of course, the problem they have in recognizing evil is probably related to the fact that they seem to believe that the US and capitalism are inherently evil.

I read LGF almost every day, but haven't commented because it's not easy for me to express my thoughts in English.

On 9/11, I remembered again how thankful the world should be to the American people for all it has done to preserve freedom.

Please, be certain that - even as there is much anti-Americanism around - there also are much people in many countries that recognize and value the very positive American influence worldwide.

I remember how I was shocked on September 11, 2001 - thinking first it couldn't be real what I heard on the radio... Seven years later, I'm grateful that the monsters that executed that attack have been defeated in many areas - otherwise, how much other barbaric terrorist acts would have been committed (not only in the US but also in other countries)?

Be certain that they don't hate America because of what you've done to them, but moved by their own diabolic ideology/world-view/"religion".

What's disturbing for me is that among the American people there are now so many that don't understand this simple reality - and turn against their own country.

I hope that McCain/Palin will win the election and that this trend will be reversed!

God bless America!

re: #59 looking closely

Assuming an Obama win, the timing for the Israelis would be after the election, but before the inauguration. That also, by the way, would be the timing of action by the Bush administration.

If McCain wins, both parties will punt to a McCain administration, as his position "The only thing worse than war with Iran is Iran with nuclear weapons" is crystal clear.

I have been saying this for at least two years. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see action taken even if McCain wins, as a way for the Bush administration to provide cover for him. And it's about time the Bush administration did something to help, instead of being a millstone around his neck.

Gotta go Lizards.

Have a great day!

re: #1 NR Pax

I have some hope that the debate will remind everyone what the stakes really are.

When ever Obama is questioned on his experience, he says that experience isn't the issue, his Judgement is. This is a valid arguument (if true), so John McCain must have a comeback. Here it is in four words:
"Judgement? Wright. Ayers. Rezco."
Just repeat it over and over.

re: #40 Sorge

That's the Associated With Obama Press.

re: #69 BrazilianInfidel

Pretty good English, if you ask me:)

re: #69 BrazilianInfidel

Your English is just fine. That's a great comment and I hope you have more to say in the future.

re: #62 bulwrk

I believe the average citizen grossly misunderstands what it means for a nation to become a member of the nuclear club and thinks somehow we negotiate our way out of this.There is not a carrot big enough to deter the likes of Iran the PRK or Hugo Chavez but there is a big enough stick.

Ahmedinejad explicitly said (and I'm paraphrasing here. . .I can't find the exact quote) "Iran is not a stupid little child than can be bribed out of our nuclear ambition with baubles".

Now maybe that isn't really true (and any true "diplomat" would say its just an opening gambit to sweeten the deal), but at least at a superficial read Ahmedinejad is saying explicitly that negotiations will not work.

Again, the question isn't whether or not to TRY negotiations, the question is at what point do you GIVE UP on negotiations, especially given that they only play out to Iran's advantage giving it more time to work?

CORRECTION Double post with links

Here is an article by Naomi Jaffe (Weather Underground)just a few days ago, notice the title:

The Wicked Witch Is Dead. Why Aren't We Dancing in the Streets?by Naomi Jaffe
[Link: www.commondreams.org...]

Quote"So what's good about this crisis? For starters, it has already brought strong cries of outrage from expected and unexpected quarters; more voices than ever before are demanding that social wealth be used for the benefit of all. It has provided vindication and legitimacy to voices of dissent and change.

It has opened up possibilities. It may restore a bit of multilateral balance to the one-superpower world. It may put a check on the pre-emptive, regime-changing, shock-and-awe militarism that has brought so much suffering and death. It may open up a bit of breathing space for the Latin American experiment in not being the U.S.A.'s back yard. It may encourage the growth of an alternative vision beyond the Republicrats and the Democans. It may put the brakes on some of the greed that is plunging the earth into climate destruction. It may allow, for the first time in 500 years, a global culture to emerge that is not dominated by white people.

Above all, if we allow ourselves to imagine it, if we organize ourselves to fight for it, it opens a window into the possibility of an entirely different sort of world, one based on the wellbeing of humans and the earth instead of on short-term greed and violent aggression - a world free from capitalism.

I may be out there all by myself, but I'm going to go do a hopeful little dance in the street."
---
She has been really active working for the messiah's cause.

[Link: my.barackobama.com...]

re: #69 BrazilianInfidel

Feel free to post any time. (Your English is better than most of our Chicago educated citizens).

Comrades!

From Glenn Beck: The Obama National Anthem!

re: #69 BrazilianInfidel

Nice comment. And it's good for us Americans to hear someone's point of view from another country.

We are not perfect, and we should understand that we can learn a lot from listening to reasonable input from the citizens of the world.

Welcome.

Walter in Golden, Co.

re: #65 calcajun

Having
nukes is one thing. Getting them to where you want them to go "foom" is
something else. Iran does not have the missile tech to get a nuke to
Israel, let alone here. The North Koreans don't have one either. Other
than a nuclear IED, neither has a delivery system--and a small suitcase
nuke takes a certain degree of sophistication to make--which Iran does
not have. Just keep that in mind. Is Iran a threat--ya you betcha. It's
not as big as one might think.

Container ship with the nuke aboard.

. re: #77 looking closely

The one fact of all negotiations, which I dont think Barry will ever grasp, is that you need to be able to recognize the point of failure and be willing to crush the other side utterly at that point.

Barry would be getting calls that another city was just nuked and still be trying to get Dinnerjacket on the phone to talk it over.

re: #69 BrazilianInfidel

Oy Amigos! Thank you for your wonderful comment.
I love Brazil. Always have, always will.

re: #78 El Lizardo mejicano

Above all, if we allow ourselves to imagine it, if we organize ourselves to fight for it, it opens a window into the possibility of an entirely different sort of world, one based on the wellbeing of humans and the earth instead of on short-term greed and violent aggression - a world free from capitalism.

It soulds like there will be a lot of violent aggression to implement this new world.

re: #69 BrazilianInfidel

Welcome aboard! Your English is much better than my Portuguese, that's for certain!

Can you introduce Occasional Reader to Adrina Lima?

re: #70 doppelganglander

I have been saying this for at least two years. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see action taken even if McCain wins, as a way for the Bush administration to provide cover for him. And it's about time the Bush administration did something to help, instead of being a millstone around his neck.

Tend to agree. I beleive that Bush would strongly suggest that any action should wait till after the election. Otherwise, he would be taking to big of risk for an Obama victory. Once the election is over, Bush will not hold back the Israelis regardless of who is elected.

re: #65 calcajun

Having nukes is one thing. Getting them to where you want them to go "foom" is something else. Iran does not have the missile tech to get a nuke to Israel, let alone here. The North Koreans don't have one either. Other than a nuclear IED, neither has a delivery system--and a small suitcase nuke takes a certain degree of sophistication to make--which Iran does not have. Just keep that in mind. Is Iran a threat--ya you betcha. It's not as big as one might think.

Iran doesn't have to actually USE its nukes in order for it to benefit from having them. Having nukes ALL BY ITSELF is potentially a game-changer.

As an analogy, if you are holding a gun, you don't actually have to shoot me to have power over me. Even if some of your rounds are duds, or you're a poor shot, or the rounds aren't that effective, the fact that your are holding the gun changes everything.

Nukes are the same. Iran can be far more expansionist, in Lebanon, in Syria, and elsewhere, if it has nukes.

re: #84 rawmuse

Oy Amigos! Thank you for your wonderful comment.
I love Brazil. Always have, always will.

And I thought your link was going to be to some Brazilian babes.

re: #77 looking closely

Unfortunately when it comes to the UN there is never a point in time to give up on negotiations.

I continue to encounter people who are otherwise very intelligent who think it isn't "fair" for us not to let Iran get a nuclear weapon, as if we were handing out lollipops. I think I know the primary problem, and it came as a surprise to me. The majority of Americans simply do not remember the darkest days of the Cold War. They do not remember hiding under their school desks because a bomb might fall on us at any time. They do not believe that anyone would ACTUALLY attack Israel, or any other American ally, because after all, people are NICE, and it isn't NICE to attack anyone. The only nuclear incident they know anything about is the US bombing of Japan, and of that they were taught that we were wanton murderers by their "educators". It came as a shock to me during a heated discussion with two twenty-somethings a couple of days ago, that they actually don't really remember September 11, because they were just teenagers when it happened, and if one did not live in New York, Washington, DC or Pennsylvania, well, it seemed too far away to be "real". We are faced with a chasm of life experience between the generations, and I have no idea what to do about it.

Well, If Obama wins and a nuclear Iran shuts off the straights of Hormuz and wipes Israel off the map, at least we will feel good and rightous for electing Obama.

re: #86 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Adriana! PIMF, especially when it comes to South American Super-Hotties!

re: #69 BrazilianInfidel

Your English is fine. It is better than many Americans. Please continue to contribute to LGF. Think of it as being doubly beneficial -
you helping us with your Brazilian perspective

us helping you with your written English.

Best regards

re: #82 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Container ship with the nuke aboard.

Straight up the Mississippi to the heartland of America.

#85
Isn't that the truth. Unfortunately, a dumb populace not able to reason for themselves is much easier to subdue.

The Obama camp is all geared up at the headquarters across the street here in Nashville. They are planning a march to Belmont. I cannot stand it...they are bringing people in from other states to march and protest. Please lizards go to the Nashville paper The Tennessean and comment ... the only blue area of the state are Memphis and Nashville and they are acting like they can turn this state blue which will not happen.

[Link: www.tennessean.com...]

re: #89 Walter L. Newton

Hey, that WAS a babe. Get your peepers checked. :)

BBIAB. It's freezing in here - I think I'll step outside to warm up!

An outstanding article, and the truth is undeniable. But many of my liberal and independent friends think I'm a fear mongering alarmist when I mention Iran and it's intention to use nukes or allow them to be used against Israel and even the US. There is a tremendous amount of denial outside conservative circles about Iran and nuclear weapons. If Obama wins, I would suggest it's time for Israel to act unilaterally and deal with Iran themselves.

re: #25 maddogg

I prefer the term communist. Its the term I've used from day one.

I go with neo-Communist, as the Communist INternational isn't quite what it used to be. This is a different type of communism, a rot from within not necessarily a proletariat backlash.

Having John Glenn at his side must give Obama great insight into the Keating 5.

re: #65 calcajun

Iran does not have the missile tech to get a nuke to Israel, let alone here. The North Koreans don't have one either.

Our friends the Russians seem quite willing to sell that technology to anyone with cash to buy it.

re: #98 rawmuse

Hey, that WAS a babe. Get your peepers checked. :)

Ok, I say the piano and I assumed it was a just a music thing. Sorry, I closed it before the good part.

In the past, numerous people have asked what it will take to wake people here up to the dangers of a nuclear Iran. A mushroom cloud over an American city? If Zero is elected, you will have your answer.

Malkin's got a transcript of the 'missing' SNL video slamming the dems for the economic situation if anyone's interested.
[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

re: #75 buzzsawmonkey

Good point.

I recall from the first debate that Obama said that he wears his bracelet as a reminder of a pledge that no other mother will have to go through what she has gone through, losing a son. If that is true, then how could he negotiate meaningfully with anyone as Commander in Chief, having pledged never again to put American forces in harm's way.

I confess to becoming very despondent.

If McCain wins things will likely be terrible- but correctable after much pain.

If Obama wins- and not just alone but with a Far Left Democrat Congress- I believe the there will be monumentally and detrimental change which will result in a United States terribly different from what we have known and loved. We will start to look and act like Europe (Islam ascendant, anti Israel, Socialist, etc) and then we will deteriorate further.

re: #91 Integritymatters

The concept of "fair" when it comes to warfare is meaningless. Anyone who doesn't grasp this concept has no business offering their opinion on the matter.

re: #106 bosforus

Malkin's got a transcript of the 'missing' SNL video slamming the dems for the economic situation if anyone's interested.
[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

And here's a YouTube link to the skit! (hurry, while it lasts)
[Link: www.webloggin.com...]

Back from lunch.

Sniff ... sniff, sniff ... sniff, sniff, sniff. Hmmm. Troll is gone.

re: #83 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

.

The one fact of all negotiations, which I dont think Barry will ever grasp, is that you need to be able to recognize the point of failure and be willing to crush the other side utterly at that point.

Barry would be getting calls that another city was just nuked and still be trying to get Dinnerjacket on the phone to talk it over.

In general, the point of negotiations is to get what you want (perhaps by offering the other party something they want, or perhaps by preventing something they do NOT want). Being able to "crush" the other side may or may not be part of this.

In this case, what we REALLY want is Persia NOT controlled by a bunch of Islamist fundamentalists. Its not the nukes, per se, its the lunatics behind them that are the problem.

But if we can't replace the Iranian gov't with a saner one, maybe at least we can stop the "Death to America" Iranian revolutionaries from having nukes.

As to specific negotiations, without credible threat of force, they are worthless. And to the point, Obama has simply NOT made any credible threat of force to date. So his wishy-washiness about this is actually undermining any chance that real negotiations may have to succeed, and INCREASING (not decreasing) the change that there will be a military confrontation.

re: #108 ErnieG

I recall from the first debate that Obama said that he wears his bracelet as a reminder of a pledge that no other mother will have to go through what she has gone through, losing a son. If that is true, then how could he negotiate meaningfully with anyone as Commander in Chief, having pledged never again to put American forces in harm's way.

Nuance. He could have meant that we will surrender as soon as the Iranian Caliphate comes along.

re: #69 BrazilianInfidel

God bless America!

Amen. Nunc et semper.

Another foreigner - from loopy Europe this time

re: #69 BrazilianInfidel

I read LGF almost every day, but haven't commented because it's not easy for me to express my thoughts in English.

On 9/11, I remembered again how thankful the world should be to the American people for all it has done to preserve freedom.

Please, be certain that - even as there is much anti-Americanism around - there also are much people in many countries that recognize and value the very positive American influence worldwide.

I remember how I was shocked on September 11, 2001 - thinking first it couldn't be real what I heard on the radio... Seven years later, I'm grateful that the monsters that executed that attack have been defeated in many areas - otherwise, how much other barbaric terrorist acts would have been committed (not only in the US but also in other countries)?

Be certain that they don't hate America because of what you've done to them, but moved by their own diabolic ideology/world-view/"religion".

What's disturbing for me is that among the American people there are now so many that don't understand this simple reality - and turn against their own country.

I hope that McCain/Palin will win the election and that this trend will be reversed!

God bless America!

More support for the U.S. in this one post than the left in this country can muster!

MANY THANKS BrazilianInfidel!

Oh, and...You express yourself very well in English! Certainly much better than most of us would do in Portuguese.

re: #49 tunnelrat

Too bad the LLL people don't consider a nuclear Iran to be a big deal at all.
They are too consumed with Haliburton, Valerie Plame, Katrina, etc.. to see the biggest challenge the world has ever faced.

eggs actly !

and why we must point out that is is all the dem's have done since taking over Congress
not a freaking word on fiscal problems

how hard is that Senator McCain ?
their record is right out there in the open
waiting to be invited in from the cold

time to serve it up

re: #109 Opinionated

I confess to becoming very despondent.

If McCain wins things will likely be terrible- but correctable after much pain.

Don't despair.

re: #113 unreconstructed rebel

Back from lunch.

Sniff ... sniff, sniff ... sniff, sniff, sniff. Hmmm. Troll is gone.

pppssst...pppssst...psssttt yep, it's working.

Finding the SNL clip won't be too hard. I'm sure lots of folks have it on their Tivos--folks who can't stay up till 1am like they could 20 years ago. (Present company included--I lasted through the first song The Killers did, which is pretty darn late.)

I was shocked at the initial airing--OMG, they really went after Pelosi and Frank, and even Soros. Of course, they have to paint Bush as an idiot, but that's expected.

It's like stuffing toothpaste back into the tube for NBC. Geez, you would think that with GE stock sliding they'd want as much exposure for one of their products. (GE still owns NBC, right?)

While not NEARLY specific enough about the threat, the overall tone of this article is dead on. I am forwarding the text/link to it to just about everyone I know. I have become somewhat of a viral emailer as we close in on Nov. 4th. Here's what pisses me off even more:

-(to agree with comment #8 by 'J.S') The media seems to be reportingby and for slack jawed underacheivers who never made it out of their parent's basements. I envision these dolts as the dudes who read the head lines on one of their 15 computer screens from their "hubble computing station" with a bong in one hand, sporting a burrito stained "Obama/Biden '08" tee shirt and stinky boxers on their rear ends, comfortable situated on their hemrhoid donut...This sh** is NOT news. And, when we begin to allow comedy sketches, for crissake, to determine the outcome of the next POTUS election, for even MORE crissake, then we truly have lost the war to the patouli (sp?) dripping hippies that want to "reinstate '68", for the love of God!

- No one in the mainstream media is taking William Ayers' past actions as serious. No one. I don't care if 5 million people or NO ONE died in any of the make-shift bombings that Ayers' and his thugs bestowed upon innocent law abiding citizens, the fact of the matter is, HE ATTEMPTED MURDER! AND if asked if he'd do it again, he said he'd not rule out the possibility! ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?!? And we are about to elect his best friend, for, again, crissake! That brings me to my next point, here, folks...

- Barack Obama's attendance of a Black Liberation Theology church does NOT make him a christian. In fact, it doesn't make him affiliated with any one religion, really, other than just being a follower of the ideology that is BLT (and I ain't talkin' about the sandwhich, here!). The fact that he CHOSE to become part of this church, CHOSE to sit in the pews every sunday and get screamed at from the pulpit about WHY God should "damn" America, and the fact that he CHOSE to befriend an American terrorist, one who was a part of a BLACK PANTHER SUB-GROUP - I mean, does NO ONE else see the flippin' connection!?!?!? I have told friends and family alike, should this loony toon win, we are going to see an ushering in of an appologist era, and being an older sister of a brother, it pains me to know that at the heart of the public taring and feathering, if you will, is going to be the white and/or Jewish male. And those who fall under those catagories who vote for this slime ball are going to provide the lube and whip, willingly!

- Lastly, and I am sure this is going to piss some people off:- especially seeing that A LOT of people have tried their hardest to "speak the truth and nothing but the truth" regarding Obama's NOT being a secret muslim- his voting FOUR FLIPPIN TIMES to allow Infanticide to take place in Chicago, Illinois does not sound like the vote of some guy who goes to ANY kind of Church OR Synagogue on sunday. In fact, I think we can all agree, at least those of us who have taken some time to READ the Koran, Islam holds the LEAST amount of regard for human life, so I find it funny that with his "upbringing" enveloped by this kind of theology (Islam), I just find his voting record interesting. Additionaly, I find it interesting that Obama wants to talk about coming up in the Islamic world when he wants to tout some kind of make believe forgein policy experience, however, it's a hands off topic when we question the kinds of decisions he wants to make FOR this country (I mean, COME ON! It's no secret that radical Islam WANTS the US to be enslaved by it's own government...leaves us QUITE open for another attack...)

My father and I got into a heated debate the other night about having another 4 years of Bush. I said, hell yes, I'd like another four years of bush, another four years of no serious internal terrorist attacks and no one screwin' around with my tax money!...

re: #91 Integritymatters

I continue to encounter people who are otherwise very intelligent who think it isn't "fair" for us not to let Iran get a nuclear weapon, as if we were handing out lollipops. .

When I encounter people like this I ask them two things:

a. Are you aware that the motto of the Iranian revolution is "Death to America" and the Islamist revolutionaries are the ones actually running the country?

b. Do you think just anybody should be able to have a gun, no matter what their prior behavior or whom they've threatened to kill in the past?

Assuming the answer is "no" (and these moonbats always think that NOBODY is responsible enough to have a gun), then why shouldn't the same be true of nation-states?

re: #91 Integritymatters

It came as a shock to me during a heated discussion with two twenty-somethings a couple of days ago, that they actually don't really remember September 11, because they were just teenagers when it happened, and if one did not live in New York, Washington, DC or Pennsylvania, well, it seemed too far away to be "real". We are faced with a chasm of life experience between the generations, and I have no idea what to do about it.

That's insane. My kids were 9, 12 and 14 at the time, and they remember it very very well. The two eldest are eligible to vote. One guess who they're voting for.

re: #3 tfc3rid Yeah, you're right, but Gotti did get convicted and died in prison.
Just sayin...

From the article:

The question that must be put point-blank to both presidential and vice-presidential candidates is: “Will you authorize the use of force in time to stop Iran from acquiring the capacity to make nuclear weapons — yes or no?”

Our county Republican party held a debate last year for a number of candidates for state legislature. Part of the debate was rapid-fire style, with a series of questions that could only be answered with a "yes" or "no." No additional comment was allowed in answering these questions. This was very enlightening and swayed my vote from the one of the candidates I was originally supporting (plus it was fun to watch some of the candidates squirm).

I would love to see this type of questioning from a moderator in the presidential debates. I think it would wake a lot of people up to the dangers of voting for the Obamessiah.

re: #122 Born_to_lose

...I said, hell yes, I'd like another four years of bush, another four years of no serious internal terrorist attacks and no one screwin' around with my tax money!...

Well, Bush certainly made up in the last week for his 8 years of hands off our taxes. Can you say BAILOUT. Or is that not going to come out of your pocket?

Bush has not been acting like a fiscal conservative, I don't know where you've been.

re: #103 bulwrk

Iran does not have the missile tech to get a nuke to Israel, let alone here.

Iran had the "tech" to sneak an incursion of its Iranian revolutioniary proxy Hizb'Allah soldiers over the Lebanese border into Israel and kill two Israeli soldiers.

So why is it so far-fetched to think they might be able to smuggle a nuke across in a truck?

If the American people are tired of the war in Iraq, how will they like a war with Iran?
I have no freaking clue why people can't see what dire straits they will be in if they elect Obama. None. It's like they have the mute button on their TV remote controls pressed always whenever they hear him speak.

re: #35 DeafDog

TV News is entertainment - nothing more.

No... It's also propaganda.

re: #119 arethusa

Don't despair.

The possibility of a Bradley effect is the only thing left that keeps me hopeful.

There is not much McCain to do to help himself with the Media onslaught of pushing and protecting and lying for Obama.

re: #106 bosforus

Malkin's got a transcript of the 'missing' SNL video slamming the dems for the economic situation if anyone's interested.
[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

That was brutal!

re: #103 bulwrk

Iran does not have the missile tech to get a nuke to Israel, let alone here. The North Koreans don't have one either.

There's more than one way to deliver a nuke. UPS, Fedex, DHL, land shark!

re: #112 buzzsawmonkey

They were not boxcutters and I do not know why that myth persists. They were Leatherman type tools.

re: #127 Walter L. Newton

Yeah, I did some reading up on actual fiscal conservative Presidents, of either stripe. As it turns out, they are relatively rare in all of US History. Out of 43 Presidents, we have only had a handful of actual conservatives.

Well the market has taken a turn for the worse and the DOW is now down about 200 points on the day.

I do think we are near the "bottom" of this market though.

What is happening is the market is pricing in a medium recession. It would have been a major recession if the actions had not been taken by the Fed's and the Treasury. Historically. the market seel off about 33% off the DWO when we go into a medium recession. A year ago the DOW was at 14,279 and change. If you tale 67% of that, you end up with about 9,567

We are less than 200 point above that now.

So barring any more real bad news, I think we will see a few more percentage point sell off and then the market should level out.

Again, assuming no more real bad news. You have to understand , the market is spooked like a heard of gun shy deer now and you can get a 200 point drop at the least rumor.

re: #127 Walter L. Newton

In the last 8 years, the three different companies that I have worked for have all been small businesses. They have all reaped the benefits of his tax cuts, and therefore, THOSE benefits have trickled down. I'd like to take a moment to thank Bush for AT LEAST that. Additionaly, it may not have been much, but hey, that stimulus check helped me pay a few bills. I dunno, 600 bucks is a lot of money for one person in my humble household...

re: #109 Opinionated

agreed. it will be a slip into a balkanized, third-world, socialist country. a complete mess.

re: #131 Opinionated

The possibility of a Bradley effect is the only thing left that keeps me hopeful.

There is not much McCain to do to help himself with the Media onslaught of pushing and protecting and lying for Obama.

Yeah...it kind of sucks, though. I don't want McCain to win because of the Bradley effect. I want him to win because voters realize he's the better candidate.

*goes off to dream some more*

The media backlash against Palin for bringing up Ayers is causing Obama to slip in the polls as more see the speeches.

re: #137 3 wood

So this is what the bottom looks like, eh?

re: #133 buzzsawmonkey

9/11 was one-third, or one-quarter, of their lives ago. For them it is as remote as the time they were pushed off the swings in grade school--particularly since the current generation is being raised with nanosecond attention spans.

Also there has been an embargo on meaningful press coverage relating to 9/11. The iconic picture Falling Man has been sent down the memory hole.

re: #137 3 wood

Good article you had a BabbaZees the other day, BTW

re: #132 DeafDog

That was brutal!

Indeed. The reaction from the audience is one of the best things about it. Hats off to SNL for that one.

re: #141 pat

The media backlash against Palin for bringing up Ayers is causing Obama to slip in the polls as more see the speeches.

Unless they live in LA...the Times didn't even report McCain's speech, just reran Obama's critique of McCain not talking about the economy.

re: #141 pat

The media backlash against Palin for bringing up Ayers is causing Obama to slip in the polls as more see the speeches.

Folks finally seeing thru the media fog? Ya think?

re: #142 Killgore Trout

So this is what the bottom looks like, eh?

Beats the shit out of the slippery sides.

National self-interest and our simple right to self-protection suggest that we have a responsibility to defeat this monster. One level beyond that is this: Never before have we been confronted by a domestic enemy so devoid of honor. This is exemplified by his carefree abandonment of the very villains who have gotten him to where he stands today. Characterized more deeply by his slanders against John McCain, and most especially by his damnable slurs against Sarah Palin. Even Bill Clinton possessed the primitive honor found among thieves. The enemy today lacks even that. I say that we are duty-bound not to allow a person so without honor to take the presidency of our republic.

The market is tanking again! The chickens**t political correctness is finally coming home to roost. And electing Obama will be like throwing gasoline on the fire.

I don't think it's really up to McCain or Obama to deal with Iran. Unless Israel or Bush do something, Iran will have the Bomb before either man takes office. Bush ought to just go for it. His immediate legacy is shot anyway (he will probably be judged better in 20 years or so, assuming civilization is still around), so what has he got to lose?

re: #129 Joan Not of Arc

If the American people are tired of the war in Iraq, how will they like a war with Iran?
I have no freaking clue why people can't see what dire straits they will be in if they elect Obama. None. It's like they have the mute button on their TV remote controls pressed always whenever they hear him speak.

If Iran were to detonate a nuke in an American city during the administration of Zero, there would be no war, Obama would seek indictments of 10 or 20 local perpetrators, and try for life without parole, rather than the death penalty. Remember Bill Clinton during the first WTC attempt? And zero is certainly no more well endowed with nads. Then all the liberals would go on another "why do they hate us" soul searching sabbatical.

re: #17 Sorge

OT:

MOST INSANELY PRO-OBAMA NEWS STORY YET:

Kenya Deports Jeromi Corso

Obama was raised a Muslim and attended a radical black Church! Do we live in an alternative reality?

Yes he was taught Islam In Indonesian public school.
He even talks about making faces during Koranic Instruction.
there is another issue, why are they so rabid to hide his Muslim past?
Are they saying that Islam is smoehow wrong?

I'm sorry to have to (once again) reveal my ignorance y'all but what difference does it matter if a President Obama (shudder) should deter Iran or not?
He is on record - both video/audio and in writing as saying he will invade Pakistan.
Pakistan's response, understandably, I think, was NO you're NOT.
Obama still wants to EVEN THOUGH PAKISTAN ALREADY HAS NUKES. And Missles that can hit China, India and, sadly, Israel. And some of those nukes could be put in the proverbial hold of a cargo ship headed to, say, the United States.
And WE'RE WORRIED about what a President Obama (shudder) might do with regards to Iran?!?

re: #140 arethusa

Yeah...it kind of sucks, though. I don't want McCain to win because of the Bradley effect. I want him to win because voters realize he's the better candidate.

*goes off to dream some more*

Its a false distinction.

The Bradley effect, if it happens, is just a name given to a certain polling anomaly. The "better" candidate (or at least the one with the most votes) still wins.

Think of it as analogous to Nixon's "silent majority". The polls and media spin are pervasive, but there is a good chance they don't represent the reality of the public's belief.

re: #156 taxfreekiller

I was looking at housing prices here in Canada -- and from what I'm seeing the answer is definitely "no." The housing prices are still in the Stratosphere...houses which a few years ago were priced at 125,000 are still going for 250,000 (plus, etc.) Ridiculous.

re: #144 pat

Good article you had a BabbaZees the other day, BTW

Thank you very much.

re: #72 nikis-knight

A good thought and something that I hope actually happens in the debate.

We just agreed to sell enough bunker-busters to Israel to neutralize the Iranium threat. Israel will not commit suicide by allowing Iran to get atomics.

It's that simple.

re: #157 looking closely

but there is a good chance they don't represent the reality of the public's belief.

Excellent point. I refuse to participate in polls (& I am sure I am not alone.) I can't help but believe that sampling only from the willing to participate cannot produce a fair sample.

re: #151 Quintus_Arius

The market is tanking again! The chickens**t political correctness is finally coming home to roost. And electing Obama will be like throwing gasoline on the fire.

Check out my #137

re: #150 Pullus Iulius

This post encompasses the REAL issues so perfectly. Well put and thank you!

re: #148 buzzsawmonkey

Big fat whoop-de-do. Nineteen small edged weapons still wrought an immense amount of damage far out of proportion to what one would have expected.

It wasn't the knives at all; it was the element of surprise.

You could try to repeat that exact same scenario on any populated domestic flight today, and the five terrorists with small knives would probably get the @#$$ kicked out of them, because after 9-11 a plane full of American passengers wouldn't just sit around helpless.

re: #155 realwest

I'm sorry to have to (once again) reveal my ignorance y'all but what difference does it matter if a President Obama (shudder) should deter Iran or not?
He is on record - both video/audio and in writing as saying he will invade Pakistan.
Pakistan's response, understandably, I think, was NO you're NOT.
Obama still wants to EVEN THOUGH PAKISTAN ALREADY HAS NUKES. And Missles that can hit China, India and, sadly, Israel. And some of those nukes could be put in the proverbial hold of a cargo ship headed to, say, the United States.
And WE'RE WORRIED about what a President Obama (shudder) might do with regards to Iran?!?

Real, that whole Phakeestahn thing was to make him look not so weak.
Remember it came up during a Dem debate.
He recently said words to the effect that Iran is a small country that we should not worry about.
He will not invade a Muslim country, but is more likely to be very sympathetic & supportive of them.

re: #164 3 wood

Check out my #137

Qusetion. Do you have a link that show the DOW in realtime, minute to minute, or at whatever interval it is refreshed.

Jim Geraghty has a good campaign suggestion

Future earning estimates on stock are still a little too high to justify this market. Once the estimates drop about to 20%, you get prices in the range we have now.

The market is telling the numbers geeks that they have not yet adjusted to the new realities of this economy.

As Mark Steyn writes here, No doubt if it all goes belly up and Iran winds up nuking Tel Aviv, President Obama will put on his more-in-sorrow-than-in-anger face and announce solemnly that “this isn’t the Mahmoud Ahmadinejad I knew.”

OT but related...
fabulous

Listen to this courageous Arab-American woman defend Israel and the rest of the civilized world against radical Islam.

re: #168 Walter L. Newton

Qusetion. Do you have a link that show the DOW in realtime, minute to minute, or at whatever interval it is refreshed.

Both, I have one of the PC that is lagged a bit, and I also have a TV in the other room that is real time.

Judge orders foreign terrorists to be set free in America...
Judge orders release of Uighurs into U.S.

In a landmark decision, a U.S. federal judge has ordered that a group of Chinese Muslims being held at the detention facility in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, be released into the United States.

The Bush administration had argued the judge did not have the authority to release the Uighur detainees into the United States but that they also could not be returned to China where they are still considered terrorists and may be tortured.

The seven men, who are no longer considered enemy combatants by the U.S. administration, have been held at the naval prison for almost seven years. They were taken into custody in Pakistan and Afghanistan in 2001.
...
Bush administration lawyers argued Tuesday that Urbina did not have the authority to order the Uighurs released into the United States, where a Chinese Muslim association in Virginia has agreed to help the men find work and housing.

Ain't that just peachy?

re: #171 buzzsawmonkey

A look at the Philadelphia subway hammer attack tells you all you need to know about what would happen.

re: #168 Walter L. Newton

Qusetion. Do you have a link that show the DOW in realtime, minute to minute, or at whatever interval it is refreshed.

Its refreshed in real time.

The easiest way for you to watch it in real time is using a live streamer from your online broker. They all have them.

There probably is no streaming internet link that isn't delayed by 15 minutes, though often you can see the price in real time in the live news feed on the market on CNBC and the like.

Eight years a go today, Al Gore was up 11 points in the polls on W.
Hmmm

HOMELESS 'DRIVEN' TO VOTE OBAMA

CLEVELAND - Volunteers supporting Barack Obama picked up hundreds of people at homeless shelters, soup kitchens and drug-rehab centers and drove them to a polling place yesterday on the last day that Ohioans could register and vote on the same day, almost no questions asked.

The huge effort by a pro-Obama group, Vote Today Ohio, takes advantage of a quirk in the state's elections laws that allows people to register and cast ballots at the same time without having to prove residency.

re: #174 3 wood

Both, I have one of the PC that is lagged a bit, and I also have a TV in the other room that is real time.

Ok. I'm glad you have a link on your computer. Now, as per my question to you, would you like to share it with us?

re: #170 3 wood

I just hope I have money to pour into mutual funds, particularly dividend funds, once the market bottoms out.

re: #169 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Keep that in mind as the prosecution of the Fort Dix Six is underway - jury selection started today.

We have four weeks to talk about the thing that matters most: a nuclear-armed Iran, and which candidate will prevent it.

. . . and which candidate tried to head off the financial collapse of America, and which one ignored it.

I am intensely focused.

re: #20 Walter L. Newton

pssst, spppsspppess, sss...sss pssstsss..

Anti-Edgar spray. I got a full can.

Better make sure you shake the can before you spray or it might become an attractant instead.

*shakka-shakka-shakka*

re: #177 looking closely

Its refreshed in real time.

The easiest way for you to watch it in real time is using a live streamer from your online broker. They all have them.

There probably is no streaming internet link that isn't delayed by 15 minutes, though often you can see the price in real time in the live news feed on the market on CNBC and the like.

I don't have a broker and I asked if 3 wood had a link. No one has posted a link for me. Is it some sort of special secret link only available to people with money in the market or something.

Geeessshhh

re: #124 doppelganglander

That's insane. My kids were 9, 12 and 14 at the time, and they
remember it very very well. The two eldest are eligible to vote. One
guess who they're voting for.

Ron Paul?
/

re: #172 Drained Brain

As Mark Steyn writes here, No doubt if it all goes belly up and Iran winds up nuking Tel Aviv, President Obama will put on his more-in-sorrow-than-in-anger face and announce solemnly that “this isn’t the Mahmoud Ahmadinejad I knew.”

Exactly

re: #181 pat

I just hope I have money to pour into mutual funds, particularly dividend funds, once the market bottoms out.

I got out a couple of weeks ago. I'm primed for when it turns back up:)

DOW is down 96, that's not "tanking." At least at this moment. Bernanke speaking...

re: #92 Rednek

Well, If Obama wins and a nuclear Iran shuts off the straights of Hormuz and wipes Israel off the map, at least we will feel good and rightous for electing Obama.

...and that Obama the president will be just as much a do-nothing as Obama the Senator. He'll show us how to negotiate peacefully while they rape and pillage.

re: #178 opnion

Eight years a go today, Al Gore was up 11 points in the polls on W.
Hmmm

But, what was Gore's number? I can't help but notice Barry can't seem to break 500.

re: #38 lifeofthemind

Anybody want to start a business with me? We can prebuild and store modular and adaptable strongly worded diplomatic notes, and a separate line of formal demarches. If Obama gets in we can get rich.

Hell, you don't have to wait for 'Bama to get in, just move to Yurp. They eat that crap up with a spoon.

re: #189 Meremortal

DOW is down 96, that's not "tanking." At least at this moment. Bernanke speaking...

-146

re: #191 unreconstructed rebel

But, what was Gore's number? I can't help but notice Barry can't seem to break 500.

Do you mean50%?

re: #169 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Jim Geraghty has a good campaign suggestion

That's pure genius. Maybe they could have a guest speaker -- say, one of the NCOs who attended that dance. I wonder how he felt later when he realized he was targeted for death by these vicious animals.

Social justice is communism defeated in this election. Once this is accomplished, everything else will fall into place just nicely.

re: #195 opnion

Yes

re: #193 buzzsawmonkey

Yurp?

re: #171 buzzsawmonkey

I would like to believe that. I don't.

I haven't the slightest doubt that would be terrorists would encounter physical resistance today if they tried this.

Would be shoe-bomber Richard Reid was subdued by passengers, for example.

How successful the resistance might be would depend on the makeup of the passengers on the plane, but I wouldn't put the odds in the favor of a small number of terrorists with small pointy objects.

re: #176 Who Watches the Watchmen?

A look at the Philadelphia subway hammer attack tells you all you need to know about what would happen.

You referring to the marauding african American thugs who murdered a caucasian American citizen in the subway with no mention of racial motive?

re: #199 lifeofthemind

It's where the Yurpeens live.

re: #198 unreconstructed rebel

Yes

I think that Gore was at 49% & W at 38%

re: #193 buzzsawmonkey

Refresh my recollection on that, please.

A man suddenly pulled out a hammer and attacked a passenger. The security video shows every passenger, and even a subway worker, running away.

The question that must be put point-blank to both presidential and vice-presidential candidates is: “Will you authorize the use of force in time to stop Iran from acquiring the capacity to make nuclear weapons — yes or no?”

If John McCain were to answer "Yes" to this question he would insure his defeat. As far as I can tell, most Americans do not want the US to use force against Iran. In fact, many Lefties that I know do not consider Iran to be any threat whatsoever. Sadly, when I bring up this issue with my friends, most of whom are Democrats, I get a blank stare that says, "haven't you learned the lesson of Iraq?". Even worse, many people think that Iran has every right to nuclear weapons, after all we have them, it's only fair. To many on the Left, wanting to deny Iran nuclear weapons is nothing more than proof of our own hypocrisy.

I predict that if Obama wins, and it looks to me like he will, that our enemies (Iran, Venezuela, N. Korea etc) will immediately test him. And if he proves soft, if he goes to the UN or wants to sit down and talk, they will push him even harder. I believe that if Obama becomes President, Iran will test a nuclear weapon during his first term.

Any with the economy already in the tank, even if McCain were to win this election, the desire for action against Iran will still be almost nil.

I hate to be a pessimist, but thats how it looks to me.

Hold on tight folks, we are in for a rough ride.

re: #186 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Ron Paul?
/

Bzzt! Sorry, but thanks for playing. You can pick up your lifetime supply of Rice-a-Roni on the way out.

re: #203 opnion

I think that Gore was at 49% & W at 38%

Ugh.

re: #201 Celtic Templar

You referring to the marauding african American thugs who murdered a caucasian American citizen in the subway with no mention of racial motive?

Oh damn, I hadn't heard about that one. See my #204.

Does anyone have a link to the video of those young men marching and singing about BHO in a public school?

re: #201 Celtic Templar

You referring to the
marauding african American thugs who murdered a caucasian American citizen in the subway with no mention of racial motive?

Right, it would only have been a hate crime if the yoots said, 'Yo yo , I hate you."

re: #203 opnion

I think that Gore was at 49% & W at 38%

Belay my #207. Not thinking straight.

Yeah, and this election is also about the Islamization of Europe, Africa and, ultimately, the entire world.

I'm from Europe and the possibility of an Obama presidency scares the hell out of me.

re: #206 doppelganglander

Bzzt! Sorry, but thanks for playing. You can pick up your lifetime supply of Rice-a-Roni on the way out.

With food prices the way they are, I'd glady accept that prize!

Frank says GOP housing attacks racially motivated

BOSTON (AP) - Rep. Barney Frank said Monday that Republican criticism of Democrats over the nation's housing crisis is a veiled attack on the poor that's racially motivated.

The Massachusetts Democrat, chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, said the GOP is appealing to its base by blaming the country's mortgage foreclosure problem on efforts to expand affordable housing through the Community Reinvestment Act.

He said that blame is misplaced, because those loans are issued by regulated institutions, while far more foreclosures were triggered by high-cost loans made by unregulated entities.

"They get to take things out on poor people," Frank said at a mortgage foreclosure symposium in Boston. "Let's be honest: The fact that some of the poor people are black doesn't hurt them either, from their standpoint. This is an effort, I believe, to appeal to a kind of anger in people."

re: #103 bulwrk

Iran does not have the missile tech to get a nuke to Israel, let alone here. The North Koreans don't have one either.

No one actually believes Iran is going to deliver a nuke by missile. All Iran has to do is find some sympathizers in Latin America, send the bomb there with some agents and smuggle it across the US border. That might be unrealistic though, more likely they can sneak one near Israel since the smuggling routes are well controlled by them.

re: #167 opnion Huh, you know I like and respect you opnion, but I really don't find that reassuring since he has said it on more than one occasion.

re: #82 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Container ship with the nuke aboard.

Call me paranoid or prescient, but I have a feeling that this has already been tried and more than once. The container ship has long been perceived as our Achilles heel--for at least two decades. We never heard of the arrest so as not to shine a light on how close were were to Armageddon or how we stopped it.

That's not to say they won't try again.

The MSM has already crowned 0bama; they're not going to publish enough to change that.
I'm telling everyone I know, but that isn't enough. And I know too many moonbats that are hopeless.
I have to stay away from the MSM or I get depressed.

re: #209 MandyManners

Does anyone have a link to the video of those young men marching and singing about BHO in a public school?

Yep, I do, on my PC.

/please forgive me Mandy.

re: #128 looking closely

I didn't say that I was just quoting another comment.

I wouldn't expect much from tonight's debate as Tom Brokaw gets to sift through questions from people and select the ones he wants from them. I thought it was going to be just people from the audience asking questions.

Now I have read in the paper that across the street at The One's headquarters in Nash they are going to be having a huge debate watch party with bands, etc. I may have to go back to the farm ... I am so tempted to go over there and infiltrate but my husband says not to ... I so want McCain to slam Obama tonight. Please John say socialism just once ... please

re: #164 3 wood
Ah, when you get a chance, please check your e-mail!

re: #216 buzzsawmonkey

"Social justice" is, by its nature, justice perverted to serve a "social" end. In other words, adding "social" to "justice" is placing a thumb on the justice scale. Like its companion term "human rights," "social justice" is a leftwing euphemism designed to hide the reality that the verbal enhancement actually represents a diminution of the thing itself.

Defeating the communist-bred and -fed Obama in this election will not be "social justice," but a very narrow triumph of freedom over its enemies.

Social justice has been know to lead to gas chambers.

re: #208 Who Watches the Watchmen?

A man collapsed and later died after an attack by a group of teenagers on a Philadelphia subway platform on Wednesday, and a 16-year-old was later charged with murder and conspiracy, authorities said.
A transit police officer saw Sean Patrick Conroy, 36, of Philadelphia, surrounded by a group of youths in the 13th Street station of the Market-Frankford line, just east of City Hall, city police Lt. Mel Williams said.
Capt. Steven Harold of the Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority police said the sergeant who witnessed the confrontation was on the opposite side of the platform.

No mention of race in this article, but you judge.

re: #66 El Lizardo mejicano

Linkfix:
The Wicked Witch Is Dead. Why Aren't We Dancing in the Streets? by Naomi Jaffe
"Naomi Jaffe is a long-time activist in upstate New York and a former member of the Weather Underground."

re: #209 MandyManners

Does anyone have a link to the video of those young men marching and singing about BHO in a public school?

[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

re: #9 bosforus

I'm voting for the candidate who understands the enemy the best, not the one that knows it the best.

Maybe Obama intends to appoint Ayers to a high government post:

(Year 2010) "Hmmm. Our slick PR campaign is working, and everybody believes that Ayers has reformed from his old terrorist mentality. I wonder if Bill and Bernadine would accept an ambassador job in the MidEast..."
.

re: #215 Basho

Thats not my comment!

re: #205 Ringo the Gringo

The answer must always be "That it is the policy of the United States to neither confirm nor deny the presence of nuclear weapons nor to rule in or out the use of force. We have stated what our vital interests are and have demonstrated many times that we will act to defend our allies. To any threat or use of force we will respond at a time, place and in a manner of our own choosing."

re: #219 Kosh's Shadow

I am with you. I tried to drown my sorrows in ESPN, but all my teams lost this weekend and Olbermann is the color announcer on NBC. The End is truly near.

re: #211 unreconstructed rebel

Belay my #207. Not thinking straight.

Understandable, these are disturbing times.
We are very close to electing a US president that is less pro American than the President of France! Logic is now officially inverted.

re: #214 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"They get to take things out on poor people," Frank said at a mortgage foreclosure symposium in Boston. "Let's be honest: The fact that some of the poor people are black doesn't hurt them either, from their standpoint. This is an effort, I believe, to appeal to a kind of anger in people."

Sure, because it really benefits us when financial institutions fail because of bad loans.

re: #172 Drained Brain

As Mark Steyn writes here, No doubt if it all goes belly up and Iran winds up nuking Tel Aviv, President Obama will put on his more-in-sorrow-than-in-anger face and announce solemnly that “this isn’t the Mahmoud Ahmadinejad I knew.”

And when Israel nukes Iran in return, I'm not even sure he'll veto a UN Security Council condemnation of Israel.

I just hope the Iranian nukes land on Hizbollahistan, Hamasistan, and Fatahistan. Of course, the'll all still demand land in Israel to replace their radioactive land, but the best thing would be to send them to Iran.

re: #229 bulwrk

Aw crap. Sorry. How very noobish of me.

re: #209 MandyManners

Does anyone have a link to the video of those young men marching and singing about BHO in a public school?

I had it yesterday, but when I tried to watch it again, I got the "video removed by user" message. It was on Utube.

re: #226 abolitionist

Linkfix:
The Wicked Witch Is Dead. Why Aren't We Dancing in the Streets? by Naomi Jaffe
"Naomi Jaffe is a long-time activist in upstate New York and a former member of the Weather Underground."

At least one Wicked Witch is obviously writing for "commondreams."

re: #171 buzzsawmonkey
Hmmm buzz I have to say that I do believe that. Remember, prior to 9/11 a highjacked airliner was being hijacked to Cuba or some other place where the passengers would, sooner or later, be sent home alive and well.
9/11 Changed all of that mindset. Now a hijacking will mean - do I risk getting killed by trying to take out the hijackers or do I sit here and wait to die when the plane crashes into whatever target they have on their minds?
I would HOPE that most people would fight to prevent their own dying, even at the risk of dying while trying to survive.

re: #216 buzzsawmonkey

We need our own term. Patriotic justice.

re: #239 realwest

Hmmm buzz I have to say that I do believe that. Remember, prior to 9/11 a highjacked airliner was being hijacked to Cuba or some other place where the passengers would, sooner or later, be sent home alive and well.
9/11 Changed all of that mindset. Now a hijacking will mean - do I risk getting killed by trying to take out the hijackers or do I sit here and wait to die when the plane crashes into whatever target they have on their minds?
I would HOPE that most people would fight to prevent their own dying, even at the risk of dying while trying to survive.

Throw your bags at their heads... Force them to react and lose their line of sight... Then attack their legs...

re: #232 calcajun

I am with you. I tried to drown my sorrows in ESPN, but all my teams lost this weekend and Olbermann is the color announcer on NBC. The End is truly near.

Since Charles doesn't like end times discussion, I'll just say that one sign of Mashiach in the Jewish tradition is that all the nations of the world become heretical. 0bama believes in Black Liberation Theology. I leave further discussion to the reader.

re: #235 Kosh's Shadow

And when Israel nukes Iran in return, I'm not even sure he'll veto a UN Security Council condemnation of Israel.

I just hope the Iranian nukes land on Hizbollahistan, Hamasistan, and Fatahistan. Of course, the'll all still demand land in Israel to replace their radioactive land, but the best thing would be to send them to Iran.

Obama is truly running a scam with pro Israeli groups.
He palled around a lot with Palistinian activists in his home district.
He repeatedly expressed sympathy for their cause.
Look, you don't pal around with Farakhan & Rev Wright & harbor Israeli sympathies.

re: #225 Celtic Templar

No mention of race in this article, but you judge.

I looked but I didn't really need to. My condolences to the family of the deceased.

re: #203 opnion
And according to a Rueters/DNN/Zorby poll released today, Obama leads McCain by 3 points.

Thanks, Lizards! I'm sending it around and around.

re: #209 MandyManners

Does anyone have a link to the video of those young men marching and singing about BHO in a public school?

Drudge had it up last night. Haven't checked today.

Nothing better to fix the World Wide Economy Meltdown than a New Global War. I hope Israel has the ability to target the Iranian menace in the next few months and America will stand by her side.
History has shown us that the great depression of 1937 ended when WW2 got big time under way. Iran must be annihilated.

re: #140 arethusa

Yeah...it kind of sucks, though. I don't want McCain to win because of the Bradley effect. I want him to win because voters realize he's the better candidate.

I think you're misinterpreting the Bradley effect. Almost all voters are going to vote for the candidate they consider most qualified. However, many voters, especially Democrats who plan on voting for McCain (based on McCain's higher level of competence and experience) are going to tell pollsters that they'll vote for Obama (or are "leaning" toward Obama), because they don't want to be perceived as racist, or perceived as going against their party's nominee.

Yes, there are a few people who will not vote for BHO merely because he is black, but they are probably outweighed by the people who will vote for BHO solely because he is black.

re: #243 opnion

Obama is truly running a scam with pro Israeli groups.
He palled around a lot with Palistinian activists in his home district.
He repeatedly expressed sympathy for their cause.
Look, you don't pal around with Farakhan & Rev Wright & harbor Israeli sympathies.

And far too many Jews are so stuck in liberalism and some form of guilt that they can't see it, no matter how many signs.
Like a while back when 0 said "nobody suffers like the Palestinians", or all his anti-Israel advisers (not that the MSM talks about those).
I'm hoping that he'll show something more tonight and lose the Jewish vote. Unscripted; he's more likely to put his foot in his mouth.

re: #205 Ringo the Gringo
Hey Ringo - didja see my #155 above?

re: #242 Kosh's Shadow

Since Charles doesn't like end times discussion, I'll just say that one sign of Mashiach in the Jewish tradition is that all the nations of the world become heretical. 0bama believes in Black Liberation Theology. I leave further discussion to the reader.

It is also worth noting that Marx & Engles highly recommended that the state control credit in order to usher in the workers paradise.
Well now tyhe government does.

re: #246 buzzsawmonkey

I would hope so too. But there are still plenty of people who would rather sit and hope for the best when confronted with the choice between the certainty of immediate bodily harm and possible death if they resist, versus the theoretical and therefore lesser threat of injury or death later.

That's certainly what people are doing when they say we should keep talking with Iran, or even that Israel should keep talking to the Paliterrorists, instead of flattening Hamasistan, and then telling Fatah "Clean up or you're next".

re: #247 MandyManners

Thanks, Lizards! I'm sending it around and around.

They make ointment for that, you know.
/

re: #214 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Barney Frank is nothing more than a hack politician and I surely hope that McCain PROMINENTLY mentions Frank's role in this whole economic mess.
Barney Frank is a son of a bitch.

re: #253 opnion

It is also worth noting that Marx & Engles highly recommended that the state control credit in order to usher in the workers paradise.
Well now tyhe government does.

Funny how the Communist "worker's paradise" has always been a hellhole.
Hard to have paradise while denying G-d.

re: #69 BrazilianInfidel

Post more often, please!

re: #215 Basho
And Pakistan does have a) nukes and b) missiles that would deliver 'em to, among other places, Israel.

re: #236 Basho

lol,I've done that before

I have been reading many reports of people feeling intmidated by contacts from Democratic activists, teams of Democrats going through neighborhoods and writing down license plate numbers as they ask who the people are voting for.

There is still a silent majority in this country. They go to work, come home and relax. They watch MSM but they are NOT stupid. They are generally honest and hard working people who long for the days when things werent so complicated. They discipine their children, they worship somewhere at least some of the time. They are good people, people with a conscience, people who honestly care about the hardships that befall others, and try to help.
Americans are not stupid people, though the MSM treats them with utter contempt.
Sarah Palin has stood up and said, I am one of you! And she really is. And that shines through, no matter how the talking heads try to spin it.
McCain will win, and win big, because those Americans do know what is at stake.
As my hairdresser put it yesterday: This is really about much more than Democrats and Republicans, isnt it?
Yes, it is about the survival of America, the America that has led the way, since its inception, in doing good in our world.
We arent perfect, but we WILL win.

re: #255 buzzsawmonkey

I've got a family-full.

I really knew nothing about my family's (I'm Jewish) political affiliations until this election cycle. But, I've been shoving 0bama facts down their throats for months and now I know the lot of them will vote for Johnny Mac and Sarah. I can't attribute all of the credit to myself, but I definitely feel good about my efforts; especially since my family lives in the all-important swing state of Ohio.

re: #262 lifeofthemind

I have been reading many reports of people feeling intmidated by contacts from Democratic activists, teams of Democrats going through neighborhoods and writing down license plate numbers as they ask who the people are voting for.

Dammit! I never get lucky enough for that to happen to me.