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Simon: Blacklisting Myself

Entertainment | Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 11:38:18 am PDT

Roger Simon has a new book coming out in January, and he emails that it says nice things about yours truly—but not-so-nice things about Tinseltown: Blacklisting Myself: Memoir of a Hollywood Apostate in the Age of Terror: Roger L. Simon.

More at PJ Media: Don’t judge a book by its cover - except this time!

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1 Edgar  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:40:34am

New media destroying Hollywood?

Can't wait.

2 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:41:34am
Simon: Blacklisting Myself

"Racist tint!"

-Associated Press

3 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:42:30am
Simon: Blacklisting Myself

Well. That's calling a spade a spade.

4 Vergeltung  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:42:55am

not much of an idea of what the book entails from the sparse deatils on amazon. the concept looks interesting though!

5 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:43:56am

I've written off so many hollyweird people, it's hard to watch any tv or a movie these days.
I won't support them.

6 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:44:03am

Customers who bought this item also bought:


The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Person... by Jerome R. Corsi
(8)$18.48
Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left,... by Jonah Goldberg
(339)$18.45
Surrender Is Not an Option: Defending America at the Unit... by John Bolton
(54)
The Wicked Son: Anti-Semitism, Self-hatred, and the Jews... by David Mamet
(26)$13.57
My Grandfather's Son: A Memoir by Clarence Thomas
(304)$17.79

7 Vergeltung  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:44:14am

I have often wondered how the conservative actors & actresses even survive in Crazywood. John Voight, Ron Silver, Robert Duvall, and the rest. I wonder how much they will work in the future.....

8 gop_patriot  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:44:33am

Sounds very good, can't wait to read it!

9 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:45:17am

Until Proven Innocent: Political Correctness and the Sham... by Stuart Taylor
(74)$7.49
The Forgotten Man: A New History of the Great Depression by Amity Shlaes
(116)$9.57
A History of the English-Speaking Peoples Since 1900 by Andrew Roberts
(43)$12.89
Infidel by Ayaan Hirsi Ali
(266)$10.20
Power, Faith, and Fantasy: America in the Middle East: 17... by Michael B. Oren

10 SnakeSpit  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:45:27am

I'm sure it is about him taking a stance against the hollywood elite on such things as the war in Iraq and Obamination. Probably in the same vein as Jon Voight.

11 faraway  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:45:42am

Conservative Hollywood should move to Florida.

Call it New Hollywood.

12 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:46:13am
Blacklisting Myself details Academy Award-nominated screenwriter Roger L. Simon's odyssey from financier of the Black Panther Breakfast Program to darling of the political right. In this tale of Hollywood radical chic run amuck, Simon relates his adventures with Richard Pryor, Warren Beatty, Woody Allen and real-life Hollywood KGB officers. Among the topics covered along the way: the new blacklist for conservatives in tinseltown and how new media will destroy Hollywood as we know it.
13 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:46:23am

re: #1 Edgar

New media destroying Hollywood? Can't wait.

shake... shake... shake... press... ppppssssst... ppppssssstttt... pppssssssstt

14 Vergeltung  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:46:29am

re: #6 MandyManners

Customers who bought this item also bought:

The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Person... by Jerome R. Corsi
(8)$18.48
Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left,... by Jonah Goldberg

GOT THEM BOTH! heh. Jonah's book is great, and I am only 45 pages into it.

15 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:46:32am

I wonder if he knew Patty Hearst back in the day.

16 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:46:39am

Looks like a good book. I'll definately buy myself a copy...I may even give a few out as Christmas gifts to some of my Lefty friends who work in the industry.

17 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:47:20am

re: #11 faraway

Conservative Hollywood should move to Florida.


Call it New Hollywood.

Isn't there a Hollywood, Florida?

18 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:47:52am

re: #16 Ringo the Gringo

Looks like a good book. I'll definately buy myself a copy...I may even give a few out as Christmas gifts to some of my Lefty friends who work in the industry.

They'll love you for that?

19 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:48:21am

re: #15 MandyManners

I wonder if he knew Patty Hearst back in the day.

He's just trying to ride the coat talis of my recently released book "*Whacking* Myself - A guide to LGF"

20 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:48:27am

re: #17 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Isn't there a Hollywood, Florida?

Yeah, but since they are mostly senile and all down there, who's gonna notice?

21 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:48:41am

LOL,
Just got an email with 'new bumper stickers'.
One said, "the only difference between obama and osama is BS".

These are quite good.

22 alegrias  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:48:56am

Have you all seen "An American Carol" with a few of your closest friends & family yet?

23 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:49:02am

Hmmmm.... interesting how Amazon.com doesn't seem to have the book cover image, but that blog does.

24 Outrider  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:49:24am

ACORN office in Vegas raided in voter-fraud probe
Nevada state authorities are raiding the Las Vegas headquarters of an organization that works to get low-income people to vote.

A Nevada secretary of state's office spokesman said Tuesday that investigators are looking for evidence of voter fraud at the office of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, also called ACORN.

No one was at the ACORN office when state agents arrived with a search warrant and began carting records and documents away.

Secretary of State spokesman Bob Walsh says ACORN is accused of submitting multiple voter registrations with false and duplicate names.

The raid comes two months after state and federal authorities formed a task force to pursue election-fraud allegations in Nevada.

25 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:49:32am

re: #22 alegrias

Have you all seen "An American Carol" with a few of your closest friends & family yet?

No, so don't start posting spoilers please!

26 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:49:36am

re: #6 MandyManners

Customers who bought this item also bought:


The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Person... by Jerome R. Corsi
(8)$18.48
Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left,... by Jonah Goldberg
(339)$18.45
Surrender Is Not an Option: Defending America at the Unit... by John Bolton
(54)
The Wicked Son: Anti-Semitism, Self-hatred, and the Jews... by David Mamet
(26)$13.57
My Grandfather's Son: A Memoir by Clarence Thomas
(304)$17.79

Muahahahahahahaha!

27 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:49:44am

re: #11 faraway

Conservative Hollywood should move to Florida.

Call it New Hollywood.

Connecticut has been trying to get the movie industry up here for some time. Don't think they would like the conservative tilt though. Too bad.

28 SnakeSpit  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:49:46am

Up until last year I didn't care much for Jon Voight. I have come to respect him much more as I've listened to his political views.
His daughter still sucks.

29 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:50:53am

re: #19 Walter L. Newton

He's just trying to ride the coat talis of my recently released book "*Whacking* Myself - A guide to LGF"

*giggle*

30 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:50:54am

re: #6 MandyManners

The Wicked Son: Anti-Semitism, Self-hatred, and the Jews... by David Mamet

Is David Mamet an anti-idiotarian?

31 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:50:54am

re: #22 alegrias

Have you all seen "An American Carol" with a few of your closest friends & family yet?

Where did it finish the weekend in terms of viewers? I heard a report giving the top three but it wasn't there.

32 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:51:17am

re: #22 alegrias

Have you all seen "An American Carol" with a few of your closest friends & family yet?

Saw it on Saturday by myself, as my closest friends & family are of the left-leaning persuasion. A funny & enjoyable movie overall, even if some of the jokes didn't quite work.

33 JacksonTn  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:51:21am

What is the New Party? One of the articles I have been digging out of google is about New Party Members winning elections this is old but lists Obama as a member of the New Party having won an election:

[Link: web.archive.org...]

In the article it talks about taking over the democratic party.

34 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:51:33am

re: #11 faraway

Conservative Hollywood should move to Florida.

Call it New Hollywood.

They should move to Jacksonville, which is where the movie industry USED to film their movies before they moved to California.

35 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:51:39am

re: #23 NomadOfNorad

Hmmmm.... interesting how Amazon.com doesn't seem to have the book cover image, but that blog does.

Isn't that the responsibility of the publisher?

36 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:51:52am

re: #19 Walter L. Newton

He's just trying to ride the coat talis of my recently released book "*Whacking* Myself - A guide to LGF"

I thought I told you that causes blindness...at least that is what the nuns said.

37 lifeofthemind  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:51:53am

re: #21 newsjunkie_ky

Hey, how are you doing?

38 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:51:55am

re: #31 Ford_Prefect

Where did it finish the weekend in terms of viewers? I heard a report giving the top three but it wasn't there.

I heard a report that theaters were actually screwing with the tickets receipts so it would not rank high?

39 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:52:03am
(to be published by Encounter Books in January )

Guess I won't be giving it out for Christmas after all.

40 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:52:08am

Sniff .... sniff, sniff .... sniff, sniff, sniff. Troll is back.

41 PISSED  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:52:09am

re: #28 SnakeSpit

His daughter still sucks.

doesnt make her a bad girl.... : )

I'm leaving after that one..

42 Vergeltung  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:52:10am

re: #28 SnakeSpit

Voight. ............
His daughter still sucks.

I'd like to have that proven to me first hand. I would like that. I really would.

43 faraway  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:52:18am

New Hollywood could put up a better sign than that decrepit old "Hollywood" backdrop sign.

44 alegrias  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:52:19am

re: #25 Walter L. Newton

No, so don't start posting spoilers please!

****
I'm asking lizards if they went because I meant to go opening night to boost "An American Carol" numbers but had an eldercare crisis. Night before went to the opening of "Do As I Say" at DC's American Film Renaissance conservative film festival.

45 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:52:22am

re: #25 Walter L. Newton

No, so don't start posting spoilers please!

Darth is Luke's father.
The Bruce Willis character is actually a ghost.
"Rosebud" is a sled.

46 shrike  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:52:29am

Here's a remake of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest with a democrat cast: Your text to link...

47 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:52:50am

re: #37 lifeofthemind

Hey, how are you doing?


Hanging in there. How are things in NYC?

48 lifeofthemind  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:52:52am

re: #25 Walter L. Newton

No, so don't start posting spoilers please!

It was Colonel Mustard in the garden with a candle stick.
/I couldnt help myself

49 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:52:58am

re: #42 Vergeltung

I'd like to have that proven to me first hand. I would like that. I really would.

Line forms behind me.

50 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:53:05am

re: #28 SnakeSpit

Up until last year I didn't care much for Jon Voight. I have come to
respect him much more as I've listened to his political views.
His daughter still sucks.

She's starting to sound more sensible lately - she actually visited Iraq & declared the surge a success, she wants to home-school her kids & she wears a medal made after a drawing her boy made of a machine gun.

51 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:53:38am

re: #27 Ford_Prefect

Connecticut has been trying to get the movie industry up here for some time. Don't think they would like the conservative tilt though. Too bad.

Runaway production has been a major problem for Hollywood for about 20 years now. Toronto is know as Hollywood north.

And the big shots in Ca. actually fight to keep it out of other states. In the 90's, Colorado had a film commissioner who was originally from the industry in LA. It wasn't until it was too late that we realized that he was doing his best to scare production away from Colorado. We had a real robust film industry in the Denver Metro area for about 6 years until he ruined it.

And we haven't been able to get it back. These guys play for keeps.

52 PISSED  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:53:39am

re: #42 Vergeltung

Great DIRTY minds think alike!

53 SnakeSpit  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:53:46am

re: #42 Vergeltung

I'd like to have that proven to me first hand. I would like that. I really would.

I knew I'd get a few hits on that one.
I hear she has vampire teeth.

54 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:53:47am

re: #42 Vergeltung

I'd like to have that proven to me first hand. I would like that. I really would.

Actually, I'm surprised, I thought Angelina would be too skinny for you, or have too pointy a chin, or something...

55 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:53:56am

Heading to Post Office.
Later Lizards.

56 alegrias  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:54:17am

re: #28 SnakeSpit

Up until last year I didn't care much for Jon Voight. I have come to respect him much more as I've listened to his political views.
His daughter still sucks.

* * *
Oh my, you must see Mr. Voight's portrayal of the previous Pope John Paul, in a made for tv show that was fantastic.

With Reagan & Margaret Thatcher, the Pope helped topple the USSR and Voight was magnificent in the role. A great quasi documentary/movie.

57 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:54:23am

re: #30 Occasional Reader

Is David Mamet an anti-idiotarian?

I have no idea.

58 Vergeltung  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:54:28am

re: #49 Occasional Reader

Line forms behind me.

no way. I'm in front, I called it. ;P

59 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:54:31am

re: #52 PISSED

Great DIRTY minds think alike!

What makes you think it was your mind doing the thinking?

60 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:54:35am

re: #45 Occasional Reader

Darth is Luke's father.
The Bruce Willis character is actually a ghost.
"Rosebud" is a sled.

Darth Vader is Luke Skywalker's father? That can't be - they don't even have the same name!
/Woody Boyd

61 DeafDog  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:54:50am

re: #32 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Saw it on Saturday by myself, as my closest friends & family are of the left-leaning persuasion. A funny & enjoyable movie overall, even if some of the jokes didn't quite work.

How did it compare to Airplane or the Naked Gun?

62 Vergeltung  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:55:18am

re: #52 PISSED

Great DIRTY minds think alike!

wOOt!

63 faraway  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:55:22am

Maybe we should all move to Florida after Nov 4th.

Call our new town, Lizard City.

64 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:55:22am

re: #19 Walter L. Newton

of my recently released book "*Whacking* Myself - A guide to LGF"

I think there are other sites on the internet much more suited to that purpose than LGF.

(So I'm told, you understand)

65 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:55:27am

re: #30 Occasional Reader

Is David Mamet an anti-idiotarian?

Yup. He smartened up awhile back...

66 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:55:28am

re: #30 Occasional Reader

Is David Mamet an anti-idiotarian?

Oscar nomination for screenwritng Wag the Dog.

67 lifeofthemind  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:55:33am

re: #47 newsjunkie_ky

Hanging in there. How are things in NYC?

Cold, I think one side or the other is going to get over 330 electoral votes. This is a near thing though, it may not break. Did Roger Simon write this movie or Quentin Tarantino?

68 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:55:35am

re: #48 lifeofthemind

It was Colonel Mustard in the garden with a candle stick. /I couldnt help myself

*Whack* (with apologies to Mandy, here's your stick back)

69 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:55:42am

re: #30 Occasional Reader

Is David Mamet an anti-idiotarian?

He published an op-ed in the LA Times (I believe) entitled "I Don't Want To Be A Brain-Dead Liberal Anymore."

70 Vergeltung  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:55:53am

re: #53 SnakeSpit

I knew I'd get a few hits on that one.
I hear she has vampire teeth.

damn, that could be even better. you know what they say about pain & pleasure.........

71 PISSED  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:55:56am

re: #59 Nevergiveup

You got a point!

HERE for all to see:

[Link: www.visualpharm.com...]

72 yma o hyd  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:56:03am

re: #27 Ford_Prefect

Connecticut has been trying to get the movie industry up here for some time. Don't think they would like the conservative tilt though. Too bad.

Heh - they could move to Valleywood!

(We sure could do with the money ...!)

73 Vergeltung  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:56:35am

re: #54 Occasional Reader

Actually, I'm surprised, I thought Angelina would be too skinny for you, or have too pointy a chin, or something...

dude, no pointy chin worries there. also, she curvey. a little too much plastic, but heck, I ain't gonna pass.

I promise. :)

74 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:56:38am

re: #63 faraway

Maybe we should all move to Florida after Nov 4th.

Call our new town, Lizard City.

It would be the first truly green city.

75 Outrider  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:56:41am

re: #38 Nevergiveup

I heard a report that theaters were actually screwing with the tickets receipts so it would not rank high?

9. "An American Carol," Vivendi Entertainment, $3,656,000, 1,639 locations, $2,231 average, $3,656,000, one week.

at least it came in ahead of :

10. "Religulous," Lionsgate, $3,409,643, 502 locations, $6,792 average, $3,428,633, one week

Can't find anything about rigged receipts.

76 SnakeSpit  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:56:55am

re: #56 alegrias

I think what soured me on Voight all these years was his role in Midnight Cowboy all those years ago. I had a hard time shaking that.

77 PISSED  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:57:02am

re: #19 Walter L. Newton

"*Whacking* Myself - A guide to ANGELINA JOLIE"

78 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:57:02am

re: #60 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Darth Vader is Luke Skywalker's father? That can't be - they don't even have the same name!
/Woody Boyd

And of course, the joke is, they do.

The good guys wanted to hide baby Luke from his father. So, they placed him the custody of his father's relatives, and gave him his father's last name. Brilliant!

These idiots deserve the Ewoks as allies.

79 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:57:12am

re: #17 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Isn't there a Hollywood, Florida?

There is a Hollywood, Maryland! Granted, I think they'd prefer to stay a little more "rural".

80 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:57:23am

re: #64 Occasional Reader

I think there are other sites on the internet much more suited to that purpose than LGF.

(So I'm told, you understand)

Would you guys get you mind out of the gutter. I'm talking about sado/machosim and you guys are getting nasty talking about mastrubation.

81 lifeofthemind  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:57:24am

re: #55 newsjunkie_ky

Heading to Post Office.
Later Lizards.


Going to play Post Office? Some lizards never grow up.

82 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:57:25am

re: #24 Outrider

ACORN office in Vegas raided in voter-fraud probe
Nevada state authorities are raiding the Las Vegas headquarters of an organization that works to get low-income people to vote.

A Nevada secretary of state's office spokesman said Tuesday that investigators are looking for evidence of voter fraud at the office of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, also called ACORN.

No one was at the ACORN office when state agents arrived with a search warrant and began carting records and documents away.

Secretary of State spokesman Bob Walsh says ACORN is accused of submitting multiple voter registrations with false and duplicate names.

The raid comes two months after state and federal authorities formed a task force to pursue election-fraud allegations in Nevada.

UPI quotes a local paper as saying that some of the names used were names of former members of the Dallas Cowboys.

Was it a Landry list?

/I should flagellate myself for even THINKING of that one! *spit*

83 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:57:49am

re: #75 Outrider

9. "An American Carol," Vivendi Entertainment, $3,656,000, 1,639 locations, $2,231 average, $3,656,000, one week.

at least it came in ahead of :

10. "Religulous," Lionsgate, $3,409,643, 502 locations, $6,792 average, $3,428,633, one week

Can't find anything about rigged receipts.

It was on Fox and friends in the Am

84 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:57:53am

re: #65 experiencedtraveller

Yup. He smartened up awhile back...

David Mamet: Why I Am No Longer a 'Brain-Dead Liberal'

Love it!

85 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:57:55am

re: #33 JacksonTn

Interesting.

Check this out:
[Link: www.discoverthenetworks.org...]

86 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:58:12am

re: #82 pre-Boomer Marine brat

UPI quotes a local paper as saying that some of the names used were names of former members of the Dallas Cowboys.

Was it a Landry list?

/I should flagellate myself for even THINKING of that one! *spit*

LOL!

87 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:58:53am

re: #61 DeafDog

How did it compare to Airplane or the Naked Gun?

Not close, but that's just because Airplane & The Naked Gun are both in my Top 10 Funniest Movies list. I'd give it a strong 2 1/2 out of 4 stars.

88 ErnieG  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:58:58am

re: #19 Walter L. Newton

He's just trying to ride the coat talis of my recently released book "*Whacking* Myself - A guide to LGF"

Punch line:

"I dunno, Doc. I've just been reading LGF and eating Cheese Nips"

89 alegrias  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:59:03am

re: #75 Outrider

9. "An American Carol," Vivendi Entertainment, $3,656,000, 1,639 locations, $2,231 average, $3,656,000, one week.

at least it came in ahead of :

10. "Religulous," Lionsgate, $3,409,643, 502 locations, $6,792 average, $3,428,633, one week

Can't find anything about rigged receipts.

* * *
Thank you, Outrider, I was keeping fingers crossed "An American Carol"'s anti-idiotarian director Zucker would have a winner on his hands.

I'll go see it after tonight's debate.

90 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:59:17am

re: #24 Outrider

ACORN office in Vegas raided in voter-fraud probe
Nevada state authorities are raiding the Las Vegas headquarters of an organization that works to get low-income people to vote.

A Nevada secretary of state's office spokesman said Tuesday that investigators are looking for evidence of voter fraud at the office of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, also called ACORN.

No one was at the ACORN office when state agents arrived with a search warrant and began carting records and documents away.

Secretary of State spokesman Bob Walsh says ACORN is accused of submitting multiple voter registrations with false and duplicate names.

The raid comes two months after state and federal authorities formed a task force to pursue election-fraud allegations in Nevada.

Outrider -

Would this also were done in OHIO. In any case, good job Nevada.

-S-

91 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:59:25am

re: #61 DeafDog

How did it compare to Airplane[...]?

It's a completely different kind of movie... altogether!

92 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 11:59:49am

re: #78 Occasional Reader

And of course, the joke is, they do.

The good guys wanted to hide baby Luke from his father. So, they placed him the custody of his father's relatives, and gave him his father's last name. Brilliant!

These idiots deserve the Ewoks as allies.

Sorry, but when it comes to heroes, Luke is still a whiny bitch as far as I'm concerned. Hell, in the start of the first movie, he is bitching how he can't go to the Imperial Academy like some of his friends.

93 debutaunt  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:00:00pm

re: #45 Occasional Reader

Darth is Luke's father.
The Bruce Willis character is actually a ghost.
"Rosebud" is a sled.

Did Rick leave with Ilsa?

94 alegrias  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:00:06pm

re: #76 SnakeSpit

I think what soured me on Voight all these years was his role in Midnight Cowboy all those years ago. I had a hard time shaking that.

* * *
Never saw it and I guess I never will. Mr. Voight said he was raised Catholic and it had helped him to have bedrock values. Perhaps he meant he wasn't corrupted by his work in the gross 1960s.

95 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:00:09pm

re: #75 Outrider

9. "An American Carol," Vivendi Entertainment, $3,656,000, 1,639 locations, $2,231 average, $3,656,000, one week.

at least it came in ahead of :

10. "Religulous," Lionsgate, $3,409,643, 502 locations, $6,792 average, $3,428,633, one week

Can't find anything about rigged receipts.

Frankly, I hope that "Religulous" tanks. From what I've heard about this movie, it's full of Christian-bashing and sacreligeous actions.

96 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:00:10pm

I wanna' know what he says about Charles.

97 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:00:48pm

re: #73 Vergeltung

dude, no pointy chin worries there. also, she curvey. a little too much plastic, but heck, I ain't gonna pass.

I promise. :)

Gia - no plastic there, my man.

98 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:00:59pm

re: #90 Dr. Shalit

Outrider -

Would this also were done in OHIO. In any case, good job Nevada.

-S-

Acorn in Nevada: Voter fraud or Prostitution--either way someone is getting fucked!

99 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:01:17pm

re: #93 debutaunt

Did Rick leave with Ilsa?

No. Turned out Ilsa was a fembot sent by Dr. Evil.

100 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:01:22pm

re: #82 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Was that list for the Dry Cleaners?

101 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:01:32pm

re: #86 MandyManners

LOL!

Thank you, thank you. ... I quit following the Cowboys after they canned Landry.

/going off now to fling myself from the precipice into the Flames of Hell

102 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:01:33pm

re: #22 alegrias

Have you all seen "An American Carol" with a few of your closest friends & family yet?

Just saw that Saturday.....it was a riot. I could watch it again just to catch the sight gags I missed the first time.

103 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:01:36pm

re: #96 MandyManners

I wanna' know what he says about Charles.

Yes, I thought that was part of the point that Charles was posting, but I can't find any references in those links.

Charles, can you brag a bit and let us know?

104 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:01:44pm

re: #22 alegrias

Have you all seen "An American Carol" with a few of your closest friends & family yet?

I haven't been able to get out to see it, but I'm not sure if it even opened in Massachusetts yet. The Globe doesn't have it listed in their reviews, but then, maybe they're just hoping it will go away.

105 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:02:08pm

re: #83 Nevergiveup

It was on Fox and friends in the Am


Re: the rigged receipts for American Carol:
They want you to report it if you get one.

106 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:02:25pm

re: #72 yma o hyd

Heh - they could move to Valleywood!

(We sure could do with the money ...!)

Absolutely. And consider the proximity to NYC. It is not a bad spot for them.

107 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:02:42pm

re: #103 Walter L. Newton

Yes, I thought that was part of the point that Charles was posting, but I can't find any references in those links.

Charles, can you brag a bit and let us know?

Yeah!

108 Outrider  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:02:44pm

re: #95 NomadOfNorad

Frankly, I hope that "Religulous" tanks. From what I've heard about this movie, it's full of Christian-bashing and sacreligeous actions.

Reading the publicity about the movie, he seems to mock all of the religions and their adherents. He has some serious issues spinning around in his brain pan.

109 lifeofthemind  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:03:05pm

Excuse

110 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:03:09pm

re: #96 MandyManners

I wanna' know what he says about Charles.

Y' better hope he doesn't mention YOU!

/ducking

111 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:03:20pm

re: #95 NomadOfNorad

Actually, speaking of movie take-in.... how's that awful-looking Oliver Stone hatchet-job on W Bush doing? I hope that one tanks, too...

112 gop_patriot  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:03:28pm

re: #82 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN, has been under withering attack from the Republican Party for allegedly signing up unqualified voters in order to boost Democratic presidential candidate Barrack Obama.

The UPI writer misspelled Barack.

113 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:03:38pm

re: #79 MrSilverDragon

There is a Hollywood, Maryland! Granted, I think they'd prefer to stay a little more "rural".

The nearby Patuxent River NAS was the filming locale for the 1999 Harrison Ford movie Random Hearts.

114 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:04:11pm

re: #105 redstateredneck

Re: the rigged receipts for American Carol:
They want you to report it if you get one.

Good find. thanks.

115 DeafDog  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:04:16pm

re: #87 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Not close, but that's just because Airplane & The Naked Gun are both in my Top 10 Funniest Movies list. I'd give it a strong 2 1/2 out of 4 stars.


I'll wait for the DVD

116 loppyd  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:04:24pm

re: #111 NomadOfNorad

Actually, speaking of movie take-in.... how's that awful-looking Oliver Stone hatchet-job on W Bush doing? I hope that one tanks, too...

It will.

117 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:04:28pm

re: #100 Cap'n DOC

Was that list for the Dry Cleaners?

Don't know about that, but ACORN's headed for the wringer.

/yeah, my grandmother had one of those

118 Vergeltung  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:04:37pm

re: #95 NomadOfNorad

Frankly, I hope that "Religulous" tanks. From what I've heard about this movie, it's full of Christian-bashing and sacreligeous actions.

not defending Maher, as if I saw him in person I would get arrested by virtue of the action I would take. however, that being said, I heard that he attacks all religious faiths rather equally, including some nice jabs at the splodeydopes....

119 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:04:47pm

re: #98 Nevergiveup

Acorn in Nevada: Voter fraud or Prostitution--either way someone is getting fucked!

LOL! Good one!

120 JacksonTn  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:04:52pm

Bernadine:

[Link: web.archive.org...]

On the same day, SDS convened its National Council meeting in Lexington, Kentucky with 102 delegates. Primarily, we debated the question of support for the Black Liberation Movement.

****

Black Liberation Movement - sounds a little like Black Liberation Theology or just a little too close for comfort for me.

This New Party thing I have been looking at is exactly like the takeover of the democratic party.

121 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:05:02pm

re: #105 redstateredneck

Re: the rigged receipts for American Carol:
They want you to report it if you get one.

That could be serious. In the "old days" that couldn't happen much since a theatre only ran one or two films in a venue. But with these multiplexes, that's easy to do, and not only will it skew attendence figures, it will cut into the take for the production company. I know folks who have broken legs for less than that.

122 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:05:05pm

re: #117 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Young pup. My MOM had one.

123 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:05:06pm

re: #92 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sorry,
but when it comes to heroes, Luke is still a whiny bitch as far as I'm
concerned. Hell, in the start of the first movie, he is bitching how he
can't go to the Imperial Academy like some of his friends.

And whining about going into Tosche Station to pick up some power convertors.

124 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:05:13pm

re: #51 Walter L. Newton

Runaway production has been a major problem for Hollywood for about 20 years now. Toronto is know as Hollywood north.

And the big shots in Ca. actually fight to keep it out of other states. In the 90's, Colorado had a film commissioner who was originally from the industry in LA. It wasn't until it was too late that we realized that he was doing his best to scare production away from Colorado. We had a real robust film industry in the Denver Metro area for about 6 years until he ruined it.

And we haven't been able to get it back. These guys play for keeps.

Massachusetts' problem was the local Teamster boss who considered movie production to be a slush fund for his buddies.
They got rid of him, and more movies are being made here.

125 subsailor68  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:05:22pm

A little OT, but not much:

Madonna: Sarah Palin Isn't Welcome on Tour.

Basically, Madonna says Gov. Palin can't come to her show.

When contacted, Gov. Palin said, "I can live with that."

(Well, not really, but it would have been a cool answer.)

126 alegrias  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:05:32pm

re: #104 Kosh's Shadow

I haven't been able to get out to see it, but I'm not sure if it even opened in Massachusetts yet. The Globe doesn't have it listed in their reviews, but then, maybe they're just hoping it will go away.

* * *
I was surprised how many regular movie theaters played "An American Carol". You're right about the lefty movie reviewers--locally, the Washington Post called it an "unreviewed" movie, then trashed it!

127 Outrider  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:05:35pm

re: #105 redstateredneck

Re: the rigged receipts for American Carol:
They want you to report it if you get one.

Isn't that a damn shame people have to let their rabid liberal beliefs intrude on their lives even to the point of sabotaging their business or workplace.

128 Vergeltung  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:05:41pm

re: #97 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Gia - no plastic there, my man.

are you crapping yourself? she's had plastic surgery man. chin. nose. lips. you name it.

investigate, and report back. ;)

129 DeafDog  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:05:51pm

re: #91 Occasional Reader

It's a completely different kind of movie... altogether!


Surely, you're mistaken.

130 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:06:07pm

re: #112 gop_patriot

The UPI writer misspelled Barack.

Barrack

He was trying to subliminally increase Bambi's credentials as Commander In Chief.

131 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:06:18pm

re: #115 DeafDog

I'll wait for the DVD

I heard there were some jabs at "The One" that were left on the cutting room floor. Hopefully they'll be on the DVD.

132 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:06:31pm

re: #121 Walter L. Newton

That could be serious. In the "old days" that couldn't happen much since a theatre only ran one or two films in a venue. But with these multiplexes, that's easy to do, and not only will it skew attendence figures, it will cut into the take for the production company. I know folks who have broken legs for less than that.

Fox and Friends also reported that some theaters were advertising it with an 'R' rating rather than the 'PG13' it is rated.

133 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:07:34pm

re: #118 Vergeltung

not
defending Maher, as if I saw him in person I would get arrested by
virtue of the action I would take. however, that being said, I heard
that he attacks all religious faiths rather equally, including some
nice jabs at the splodeydopes....

From what I heard, it's 80% swipes at Christians, 10% muslims, 10% Jews.

134 JacksonTn  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:07:44pm

re: #85 Pvt Bin Jammin

Interesting.

Check this out:
[Link: www.discoverthenetworks.org...]

Its about 12 or 13 paragraphs down but it says New Party Member Barack Obama was elected ....... on my original link not the discovery link.

135 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:07:44pm

re: #125 subsailor68

A little OT, but not much:

Madonna: Sarah Palin Isn't Welcome on Tour.

Basically, Madonna says Gov. Palin can't come to her show.

When contacted, Gov. Palin said, "I can live with that."

(Well, not really, but it would have been a cool answer.)

Palin: "Well, bless her heart. Now I don't have to buy a full-body condom."

136 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:07:53pm

re: #98 Nevergiveup

Acorn in Nevada: Voter fraud or Prostitution--either way someone is getting fucked!

IIRC, they serve chicken with ranch dressing there.

137 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:07:54pm

re: #123 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

And whining about going into Tosche Station to pick up some power convertors.

He was worried about contributing to Tatooine Warming.

Luke was progressive way before it was cool.

138 alegrias  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:08:05pm

re: #118 Vergeltung

not defending Maher, as if I saw him in person I would get arrested by virtue of the action I would take. however, that being said, I heard that he attacks all religious faiths rather equally, including some nice jabs at the splodeydopes....

* * *
That's a good thing? Sorry, not all faiths are equal.

139 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:08:27pm

re: #129 DeafDog

Surely, you're mistaken.

The hand's on the other foot now, isn't it!

140 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:08:27pm

re: #132 redstateredneck

Fox and Friends also reported that some theaters were advertising it with an 'R' rating rather than the 'PG13' it is rated.

It should never had gotten a PG-13 either. It's cetainly a PG movie. No real profanity, no sexual situations, no violence.

141 subsailor68  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:08:29pm

re: #135 MandyManners

LOL!

Okay, got me - even funnier answer.

142 doppelganglander  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:08:43pm

re: #72 yma o hyd

Heh - they could move to Valleywood!

(We sure could do with the money ...!)

Is that where Dr. Who and Torchwood are made? My husband and daughter are huge fans and they now want to visit Cardiff.

143 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:09:09pm

re: #132 redstateredneck

Fox and Friends also reported that some theaters were advertising it with an 'R' rating rather than the 'PG13' it is rated.

That's pretty funny given that studios strive to get 'R' ratings because they sell better!

144 Outrider  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:09:29pm

re: #130 pre-Boomer Marine brat

He was trying to subliminally increase Bambi's credentials as Commander In Chief.

Barrack? The implication being a garrison soldier? Not a real good thing in the Army world. And I can imagine the Marines world also.

145 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:09:54pm

re: #140 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

It should never had gotten a PG-13 either. It's cetainly a PG movie. No real profanity, no sexual situations, no violence.

Unless you happen to get hit in the head by a number of turnstyles ;~)

146 WriterMom  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:10:05pm

What did I miss? Can someone fill me in on the whole day?

147 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:10:19pm

PMF: turnstiles

148 Vergeltung  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:10:20pm

re: #138 alegrias

* * *
That's a good thing? Sorry, not all faiths are equal.

point being, it's not just an anti-christian movie.

next......

149 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:10:24pm

re: #135 MandyManners

Palin: "Well, bless her heart. Now I don't have to buy a full-body condom."

Spot on. You know, I have heard the "full body condom" reference used in humor over the years, but I have a question. Is there really such an item?

Walter in Golden, Co.

P.S.
(and if it exists, where can I get one, I have an idea)

150 WriterMom  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:10:54pm

re: #133 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Those stats just don't work for me.

151 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:11:06pm

Oh crap!

PMF = PIMF!

152 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:11:20pm

re: #122 Cap'n DOC

Young pup. My MOM had one.

Do you REALLY want to go there?!?!?!

/*grin* ... born in '43

153 doppelganglander  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:11:33pm

re: #125 subsailor68

A little OT, but not much:

Madonna: Sarah Palin Isn't Welcome on Tour.

Basically, Madonna says Gov. Palin can't come to her show.

When contacted, Gov. Palin said, "I can live with that."

(Well, not really, but it would have been a cool answer.)

What makes Madonna think Sarah Palin would waste her time at a Madonna concert?

154 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:11:41pm

re: #149 Walter L. Newton

Spot
on. You know, I have heard the "full body condom" reference used in
humor over the years, but I have a question. Is there really such an
item?

Walter in Golden, Co.

P.S.
(and if it exists, where can I get one, I have an idea)

You're taking the whole self-whacking thing a bit too far, Walter.

155 loppyd  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:12:04pm

re: #146 WriterMom

What did I miss? Can someone fill me in on the whole day?



ACORN office in Vegas raided in voter-fraud probe

156 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:12:08pm

re: #146 WriterMom

What did I miss? Can someone fill me in on the whole day?

Stock down
Stocks up
Killgore still despondent about McCain
Edgar sucks
Palin wears body condom

Don't thank me, only so glad to help.

157 Vergeltung  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:12:21pm

re: #146 WriterMom

What did I miss? Can someone fill me in on the whole day?

overnight thread, troll, Obama, McCain, sarah, some palin, more troll, a thing about a book, realwest went to lunch. came back. walter got us all some troll-spray, and it worked great.

how's that?

158 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:12:21pm
159 subsailor68  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:12:25pm

re: #149 Walter L. Newton

Years ago I lived in San Diego. There were a group of guys who'd dress up in full-body condoms (plastic bags) for Halloween. They did that because they all hung out at a place called "Dick's on the Beach."

They may still have some you could buy. :-)

160 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:12:28pm

re: #154 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

You're taking the whole self-whacking thing a bit too far, Walter.

At least he's promoting safe self-whacking.

/?

161 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:12:31pm

re: #146 WriterMom

What did I miss? Can someone fill me in on the whole day?

In 34 seconds.

162 doppelganglander  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:12:34pm

re: #149 Walter L. Newton

(and if it exists, where can I get one, I have an idea)

Are you going to DU or Kos?

163 hazzyday  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:12:36pm

re: #24 Outrider

ACORN office in Vegas raided in voter-fraud probe
Nevada state authorities are raiding the Las Vegas headquarters of an organization that works to get low-income people to vote.

A Nevada secretary of state's office spokesman said Tuesday that investigators are looking for evidence of voter fraud at the office of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, also called ACORN.

No one was at the ACORN office when state agents arrived with a search warrant and began carting records and documents away.

Secretary of State spokesman Bob Walsh says ACORN is accused of submitting multiple voter registrations with false and duplicate names.

The raid comes two months after state and federal authorities formed a task force to pursue election-fraud allegations in Nevada.

Every ACORN office in the country should be raided and community agitators imprisoned.

164 WriterMom  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:12:42pm

re: #155 loppyd

I'm liking that link-thanks.

165 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:12:53pm

re: #149 Walter L. Newton

Spot on. You know, I have heard the "full body condom" reference used in humor over the years, but I have a question. Is there really such an item?

Walter in Golden, Co.

P.S.
(and if it exists, where can I get one, I have an idea)

Do I dare ask?

166 loppyd  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:13:11pm

re: #164 WriterMom

I'm liking that link-thanks.

Anytime, love.

How is yez?

167 WriterMom  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:13:28pm

Body condoms and trolls-those seem to be the highlights.

Ha!

168 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:13:35pm

re: #141 subsailor68

LOL!

Okay, got me - even funnier answer.

I was raised in the South so I have years of experience with the "bless her heart" line.

169 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:13:38pm

For those interested, Dirty Harry's Place, a blog run by a conservative in Hollywood, is where I go to get my movie news & reviews.

170 WriterMom  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:14:04pm

re: #166 loppyd

Fantastic. Had the Zionist Hair Rays reconfigured today. Life is good.

171 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:14:17pm

re: #153 doppelganglander

What makes Madonna think Sarah Palin would waste her time at a Madonna concert?

Over-bloated ego.

172 doppelganglander  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:14:26pm

re: #163 hazzyday

Every ACORN office in the country should be raided and community agitators imprisoned.

Attorney General Rudy Giuliani. RICO. That is all.

173 Vergeltung  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:14:31pm

re: #169 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

For those interested, Dirty Harry's Place, a blog run by a conservative in Hollywood, is where I go to get my movie news & reviews.

looks kewl, thanks for the tip!

174 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:14:36pm

re: #158 buzzsawmonkey

So lets sink another drink
cause itll give me time to think
If I had the chance
Id ask the world to dance

You missed a spot.

But sterling work!

175 subsailor68  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:14:41pm

re: #168 MandyManners

I live in Texas...got out of California years ago to save my sanity. Here in the Hill Country "Bless his/her heart" means exactly the same thing it does to you all. :-)

176 hazzyday  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:14:42pm

OT: I think product safety warning now need to include a "Made in China" label. Is there anything coming out of that country that is not detrimental to someones health. Or exporters there need a seal of approval to export to the US. Require them to follow some labor and safety standards.

177 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:15:01pm

re: #162 doppelganglander

Are you going to DU or Kos?

I've been abstaining for the last three months. I haven't even considered finding someone to date. Since the hernia "popped up" and then the surgery and now a little recovery time, I figured I didn't want anyone bouncing on my crotch anyway.

178 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:15:46pm
179 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:15:52pm

re: #158 buzzsawmonkey

Blacklisting Myself
--with apologies to Billy Idol and "Dancing With Myself"

In a Hollywood studio
Anywhere in film I go, go
When I speak my mind
Generally I find
I'm blacklisting myself

If it's known that you think "right"
You'll be cast out into the night
Say a single word
Different from the herd
And I'm blacklisting myself

Oh blacklisting myself
Oh blacklisting myself
Well there's jobs you lose
And your work is refused
I'll be blacklisting myself

'Mid the liberal tolerance
There's a tightrope you must dance
To get by all right
Just learn to keep quiet
Or I'll be blacklisting myself

So lets sink another drink
cause itll give me time to think
If I had the chance
Id ask the world to dance
And I'll be blacklisting myself

Oh blacklisting myself
Oh blacklisting myself
Well there's jobs you lose
And your work is refused
I'll be blacklisting myself

'Mid the liberal tolerance
There's a tightrope you must dance
To get by all right
Just learn to keep quiet
Or I'll be blacklisting myself

This life of ours is a puzzle
And it's too short to be muzzled
What I've got to say
I will say anyway
And I'll be blacklisting myself

Oh blacklisting myself
Oh blacklisting myself
What I've got to say
I will say anyway
What I've got to say
I will say anyway
What I've got to say
I will say anyway

(scat)

Blacklisting myself
Blacklisting myself
Blacklisting myself
Blacklisting myself

'Mid the liberal tolerance
There's a tightrope you must dance
To get by all right
Just learn to keep quiet
Or I'll be blacklisting myself

This life of ours is a puzzle
And it's too short to be muzzled
What I've got to say
I will say anyway
And I'll be blacklisting myself

Oh blacklisting myself
Oh blacklisting myself
What I've got to say
I will say anyway
What I've got to say
I will say anyway
What I've got to say
I will say anyway

Brilliant!

(To help out:

180 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:16:18pm
181 Vergeltung  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:16:35pm

re: #176 hazzyday

OT: I think product safety warning now need to include a "Made in China" label. Is there anything coming out of that country that is not detrimental to someones health. Or exporters there need a seal of approval to export to the US. Require them to follow some labor and safety standards.

got that right. man, if my kids were still little little, I'd be freaking out and buying my own chemistry testing kit!

182 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:17:03pm
183 DeafDog  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:17:15pm

re: #139 Occasional Reader

The hand's on the other foot now, isn't it!

Damn it! You're testing my knowledge of Airplane and you made me look it up. The actual quote is:

I guess the foot's on the other hand now, isn't it Kramer?

184 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:17:27pm

re: #181 Vergeltung

got that right. man, if my kids were still little little, I'd be freaking out and buying my own chemistry testing kit!

You can buy one made in China for cheap!

185 Mike in Georgia  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:18:09pm
186 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:18:37pm

re: #166 loppyd

re: #169 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #174 Occasional Reader

re: #171 MandyManners

How are you all today? Fine I hope...Looking forward to the beatdown tonight..
Boy..McCain did great yesterday..
Regards,

187 Vergeltung  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:18:38pm

re: #184 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

You can buy one made in China for cheap!

"guarranteed to detect comunist mis-management, corruption, and inefficiency!"

188 doppelganglander  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:18:39pm

re: #169 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

For those interested, Dirty Harry's Place, a blog run by a conservative in Hollywood, is where I go to get my movie news & reviews.

Thanks for the tip. He's got some great stuff, including snippets of the Variety review of "W."

189 Racer X  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:18:44pm

David Zucker is getting cheated at the box office by dishonest theater owners / staff. An American Carol is not being advertised on the marquee, the film is not being listed at the ticket booth, and is being omitted on the theater voice recordings. Tickets are sold for a different movie and patrons are told it was just an "error".

Leftwing conspiracy?

An American Carol / Fraud

We have had heard from numerous people across the country that there has been some ticket fraud when buying a ticket for An American Carol this past weekend.
Please check your ticket. If you were in fact one of those people that were "mistakenly" sold a ticket for another movie please fill out the form below. Hold on to your ticket so we can have proof.

If you have noticed other irregularities with the theatres in your area please let us know in the comment section below. For instance, Rated R film rating (when in fact we are rated PG-13), posters not being up, not being listed on the marquee, image or focus problems, sound issues, etc.

Please email us a picture of your ticket stub to fraud@americancarol.com

We are investigating.

Help the filmmakers out - go see it! Check your ticket stub to insure it says "An American Carol" so they get credit.

190 doppelganglander  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:19:32pm

re: #177 Walter L. Newton

Mmm, TMI, I was just making a joke. But I hope you're recovering well.

191 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:19:44pm

"Obama began seeking the New Party endorsement in 1995. He had been running in a four way primary against his former boss, Senator Alice Palmer, herself a far left radical, and two other individuals. But an election law quirk gave Obama the upper hand. In order to get on the ballot, candidates had to collect signatures of voters. Printed names were not allowed. Obama challenged the petitions of his rivals and was able to get every one of them thrown off the ballot. By the time the ballot was drawn up for the 1996 election, Obama’s was the only name in the race.

Nonetheless, Obama still coveted the New Party endorsement. The New Party required candidates who received the endorsement sign a pledge of support for the party. Obama did not need to support a party that was, in effect, a front group for communists; yet he still chose to. The July issue of the New Ground noted that 15% of the New Party consisted of Democratic Socialists of America members and a good number of Committee of Correspondence members."
snip

[Link: www.discoverthenetworks.org...]

192 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:19:58pm

re: #175 subsailor68

I live in Texas...got out of California years ago to save my sanity. Here in the Hill Country "Bless his/her heart" means exactly the same thing it does to you all. :-)

Don't let that flag hit the ground.

193 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:20:51pm

re: #189 Racer X

David Zucker is getting cheated at the box office by dishonest theater owners / staff. An American Carol is not being advertised on the marquee, the film is not being listed at the ticket booth, and is being omitted on the theater voice recordings. Tickets are sold for a different movie and patrons are told it was just an "error".

Leftwing conspiracy?


Help the filmmakers out - go see it! Check your ticket stub to insure it says "An American Carol" so they get credit.

Whatthefuck?

194 Racer X  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:21:23pm

re: #193 MandyManners

Whatthefuck?

Zactly!

195 jorline  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:21:54pm

Stanley Kurtz on FOX this morning.

196 DeafDog  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:22:47pm

Ben Bernanke

Only time will tell whether his policies are right or not, but you gotta admit that he looks the part.

197 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:22:50pm

Atlanta politician hires voodoo priestess to harm her opponent!
And it aint Cynthia McKinney
I shit you not.

http://www.ajc.com/traffic/content/metro/cobb/stor ies/2008/10/06/voodoo_bad_checks.html

What is wrong with the air in Atlanta?

198 loppyd  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:22:53pm

More on the ACORN bust:

The warrant was part of an ongoing investigation into suspected voter registration fraud. Employees are suspected of using false addresses or false names, including those of former Dallas Cowboys, according to the secretary of state’s office.

Troy Aikman?

199 Dustoff-507  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:22:56pm

re: #159 subsailor68


LOL... I know that place...

200 subsailor68  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:23:19pm

re: #192 MandyManners

Thanks so much for that link! I haven't heard that song in years.

Interesting you sent that - I live about a mile from Jimmy Rogers house here in Kerrville.

201 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:23:57pm

At last! The book I have been waiting for! OK, maybe not "at last," but soon.

When are you gonna write yours, Charles?

202 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:23:59pm

re: #198 loppyd

More on the ACORN bust:


"Is this some kind of bust?"

203 Vergeltung  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:24:41pm

re: #198 loppyd

More on the ACORN bust:

Troy Aikman?

yeah. flags went up when Jay Novacek voted 37 times in 3 counties.....

204 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:24:45pm

re: #197 Eric Cartman's Conscience

Your link messed up my browser. Everything got pushed left.

205 subsailor68  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:24:47pm

re: #199 Dustoff-507

Gotta ask - is it still there? I left many, many, many years ago.

206 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:24:48pm

re: #202 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

"Is this some kind of bust?"

"Yes, it's... very impressive."

207 loppyd  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:24:52pm

re: #170 WriterMom

Fantastic. Had the Zionist Hair Rays reconfigured today. Life is good.

That is always a mood lifter!

Had my patrician WASP brows waxed to perfection yesterday. :)

208 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:25:23pm

re: #200 subsailor68

Thanks so much for that link! I haven't heard that song in years. Interesting you sent that - I live about a mile from Jimmy Rogers house here in Kerrville.

You in Kerrville? Crazy place to be during the music festival. Been there once, didn't remember much, to mcuh partying. I was told that the music was good and that I enjoy myself :)

209 jorline  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:25:27pm
210 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:25:30pm

re: #198 loppyd

More on the ACORN bust:


Troy Aikman?

Probably a down-and-out on Lance Rentzel.

211 Abu Al-Poopypants  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:25:39pm

re: #104 Kosh's Shadow

I haven't been able to get out to see it, but I'm not sure if it even opened in Massachusetts yet. The Globe doesn't have it listed in their reviews, but then, maybe they're just hoping it will go away.

I canceled my Globe subscription a few years ago when their parent company Times Co. was leaking national security secrets in the NY Times, but I occasionally see it in the lunchroom at work. I noticed that on the day that it opened last week, they had a positive review of Bill Maher's piece of crap, but no mention of An American Carol.

212 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:25:44pm

re: #204 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Your link messed up my browser. Everything got pushed left.

On mine, his link actually runs outside the right-hand margin... never seen that happen before.

HE'S A SORCERER!

213 Dustoff-507  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:25:55pm

re: #205 subsailor68


I think so. But like you I left San Diego ( my home town)

back when Mira Mar was the Top Gun for the NAVY. 'sweet'

214 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:26:10pm
215 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:26:14pm

re: #207 loppyd

That is always a mood lifter!

Had my patrician WASP brows waxed to perfection yesterday. :)

And I had my... ok... TMI... never mind!

216 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:26:31pm

re: #212 Occasional Reader

On mine, his link actually runs outside the right-hand margin... never seen that happen before.

HE'S A SORCERER!

Push the button, Frank.

217 loppyd  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:26:55pm

re: #202 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

"Is this some kind of bust?"

Naked Gun?

218 Irene NYC  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:27:07pm

Just watching a clip from the View from Hot Air. What is the matter with these people? Barbara Walters says can't we all agree that there's a statute of limitations when it comes to Ayers and his past.

You know, I really, really don't want to even live in the same country as these types of people.

I think I'm going to go insane soon.

219 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:27:09pm

re: #210 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Probably a down-and-out on Lance Rentzel.

/we're gonna find out how many OLD time Cowboy fans are in the room

220 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:27:19pm
221 subsailor68  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:27:27pm

re: #208 Walter L. Newton

Oh yeah, the music fest is terrific. I see Rod Kennedy every once in awhile, although he's not really involved anymore.

Great music town! Once a week or so I'll sit in with groups around here. It's been interesting...I play primarily soprano sax, but the country guys are real happy to have the instrument in the mix. Even got into a duel with a fiddle player one Sunday afternoon. Too much fun!

222 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:27:33pm

re: #214 buzzsawmonkey

ACORN busted? Save the trees!

Turns out their voter registration records were a little squirrelly.

223 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:28:00pm

re: #216 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Push the button, Frank.

I miss those guys.

224 loppyd  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:28:03pm

re: #210 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Probably a down-and-out on Lance Rentzel.

Terry Glenn?

225 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:28:11pm

What happened? I go to the Post Office and come back and LGF page jumped to the left of the screen.

226 jorline  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:28:14pm

re: #210 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Probably a down-and-out on Lance Rentzel.

At his age now, Lance could never do a down and out with his pants down around his ankles.

227 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:28:15pm
228 loppyd  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:28:18pm

re: #222 Occasional Reader

Turns out their voter registration records were a little squirrelly.

LOL

229 JacksonTn  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:28:22pm

I finally found part of his state senate record and guess who introduced a Islamic Community Day ....... Barack Hussein Obama

[Link: web.archive.org...]

Senate Sponsors:
OBAMA.

Short description:
11/1/97-ISLAMIC COMMUNITY DAY

Synopsis of Bill as introduced:
Declares November 1, 1997 to be South Shore Islamic Community
Center Day.

Last action on Bill: SESSION SINE DIE

Last action date: 99-01-12

Location: Senate

Amendments to Bill: AMENDMENTS ADOPTED: HOUSE - 0 SENATE - 0


END OF INQUIRY

230 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:28:35pm

Oy Gestalt! The market is taking another beating today.

231 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:28:46pm

re: #222 Occasional Reader

Turns out their voter registration records were a little squirrelly.

Oakay, I'll go along with that.

232 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:28:54pm

re: #217 loppyd

Naked Gun?

No, I'm just happy to see you.

233 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:28:54pm

re: #204 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Mine too?

Sorry about that...

234 Dustoff-507  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:28:55pm

re: #222 Occasional Reader


Turns out their voter registration records were a little squirrelly.


SPEW alert. My Coke just covered the keyboard! LOL

235 subsailor68  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:29:01pm

re: #213 Dustoff-507

You were lucky to have San Diego as your home town. I was stationed at Ballast Point out in Point Loma for years. Last place I lived was La Jolla (before it exploded in condo's etc).

236 doppelganglander  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:29:04pm

re: #197 Eric Cartman's Conscience

Atlanta politician hires voodoo priestess to harm her opponent!
And it aint Cynthia McKinney
I shit you not.

http://www.ajc.com/traffic/content/metro /cobb/stories/2008/10/06/voodoo_bad_chec ks.html

What is wrong with the air in Atlanta?

I knew before I clicked it was going to be Annette Kesting. She is a county commissioner in my county (thankfully not my district). I have met her and I must tell you, the woman is dumb as a stump. This tidbit at the end of the article gives you a flavor of her ways:

Her term as commissioner has been marked by unflattering financial disclosures and personal blunders. She was delinquent in paying taxes to the county in 2007 for properties she owned in Powder Springs, and was also written up for code violations on several of her properties.

Then, in February, Kesting appeared before a Marietta church and gave an inflammatory speech in which she criticized some workers at the county government headquarters. The rambling, racially tinged diatribe troubled some members at the Pleasant Grove Missionary Baptist Church, which had invited Kesting to speak at its Black History Celebration.

At a press conference several days later, Kesting blamed dirty politics and the news media for the uproar. She called it part of a conspiracy to drive her out of office.

237 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:29:29pm

re: #218 Irene NYC

I think I'm going to go insane soon.

And you live in a really fine place to go insane in. Hey, speaking of insane, do the subways still have the blind accordion players playing the accordion on the cars and begging for change?

That's what got me interested in the accordion. When I was nine, I started to take lessons and the teacher freaked out when I told him my reason. I wanted to work in the subway.

238 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:29:39pm
239 Dustoff-507  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:30:10pm

re: #227 buzzsawmonkey


Here in NYC we call squirrels "rats with big hair."

"NOPE" Rats with better PR. (-:

240 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:30:24pm

re: #210 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Probably a down-and-out on Lance Rentzel.

re: #219 pre-Boomer Marine brat

NO ,,, NOT BAMBI !

(never was a Cowboy fan ,,, but I was and am a football fan!)

241 Dustoff-507  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:31:06pm

re: #235 subsailor68


I lived in PB. I worked at Fire station 21. Next to the beach.
Ahhhhhhhh the summer days.

242 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:31:07pm
243 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:31:20pm

re: #225 newsjunkie_ky

What happened? I go to the Post Office and come back and LGF page jumped to the left of the screen.


It's a plot! BTW.. You've got mail

244 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:31:49pm

re: #221 subsailor68

Oh yeah, the music fest is terrific. I see Rod Kennedy every once in awhile, although he's not really involved anymore.

Great music town! Once a week or so I'll sit in with groups around here. It's been interesting...I play primarily soprano sax, but the country guys are real happy to have the instrument in the mix. Even got into a duel with a fiddle player one Sunday afternoon. Too much fun!

Oh I know. Put a few strings together, piano accordion and a sax, it's a really nice sound. And it works nice for dixieland and some of the New Orleans styled jazz.

I have a number of friends fro N.O. who make Kerrville every year.

245 debutaunt  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:31:51pm

re: #242 buzzsawmonkey

Let's leave ethnicities out of this, please.

Island of tropical breezes...

246 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:31:54pm

re: #226 jorline

At his age now, Lance could never do a down and out with his pants down around his ankles.

AND HELLO TO SOUTH TEXAS!
*rimshot*

The big question was whether he should be traded or not. Word was that the judge and lawyers and team management had a conference in the judge's chambers ... and decided he should stick it out in Dallas.

247 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:32:09pm

re: #223 Occasional Reader

I miss those guys.

Let me frank about Frank

248 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:32:19pm

re: #219 pre-Boomer Marine brat

/we're gonna find out how many OLD time Cowboy fans are in the room

I say it's all a set-up by Buddy Ryan. Bounty Bowl III!

249 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:32:31pm

re: #245 debutaunt

Island of tropical breezes drinks...

I wouldn't go if not so!

250 MartinLeaf  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:33:02pm

There may be more than first meets the eye. I believe "No Country For Old Men" was really about Islamic Terror, Anton Chigurh being its personification.

Just one example: Chigurh takes off his shoes, commits a "Jihad", then takes off his socks, stands with palms up and feet aligned, and bows down in the Islamic prayer position (ostensibly looking under the bed for money), in front of an upturned lamp. There are literally hundreds of references to Islamic Terror throughout, including the coin dated 1958, which is now regarded by many as Osama Bin Laden's birthyear (Obama Bin Biden). The portrait Chigurh paints is one of pure uncompromising evil, which of course is what Islamic Terror is.

So its out there, you just have to look.

251 subsailor68  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:33:50pm

re: #244 Walter L. Newton

You really should make another trip out. We even sell beer on Sunday's now. :-)

252 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:34:07pm

re: #223 Occasional Reader

I miss those guys.

Mitchell!

253 JacksonTn  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:35:11pm

Anyway, here is a link to some of his Ill. senate records. I a having a hard time getting on now but this is from the 90th general assembly:

[Link: www.legis.state.il.us...]

254 Outrider  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:35:25pm

re: #227 buzzsawmonkey

Here in NYC we call squirrels "rats with big hair."

Tree rats (with a good PR agent)

255 Vergeltung  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:36:18pm

re: #219 pre-Boomer Marine brat

/we're gonna find out how many OLD time Cowboy fans are in the room

Since 1972. :)

256 Dustoff-507  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:36:21pm

re: #242 buzzsawmonkey


LOL.... ahh come on. Their cute. I have many around my home... well in the very back area

257 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:36:33pm

re: #252 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Mitchell!

Torgo Baby!

258 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:36:37pm

re: #237 Walter L. Newton

And you live in a really fine place to go insane in. Hey, speaking of insane, do the subways still have the blind accordion players playing the accordion on the cars and begging for change?

That's what got me interested in the accordion. When I was nine, I started to take lessons and the teacher freaked out when I told him my reason. I wanted to work in the subway.

Aiming really low when you were 9, eh? Hehe. Betcha you found much better ways to make money with that accordion-playing when you got older, though.

259 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:37:14pm

re: #227 buzzsawmonkey

Here in NYC we call squirrels "rats with big hair."

I remember back in my youth the mayor of Boston, trying to "spruce up" the cities image used to call the pidgeons "City Doves"
(yes ,,, he was a liberal ,, why do you ask?))

260 Outrider  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:37:25pm

re: #256 Dustoff-507

LOL.... ahh come on. Their cute. I have many around my home... well in the very back area

A couple of them tossed in a stew taste pretty good.

261 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:37:34pm

re: #254 Outrider

Tree rats (with a good PR agent)

Limb chickens.

/so you guys know fluffy bunnies are just rodents, too, right?

262 Dustoff-507  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:38:06pm

re: #260 Outrider


Nice. I'll remember that one.

263 Outrider  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:38:20pm

re: #261 OldLineTexan

Limb chickens.

/so you guys know fluffy bunnies are just rodents, too, right?

and they too, taste good.

264 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:38:46pm

re: #237 Walter L. Newton

And you live in a really fine place to go insane in. Hey, speaking of insane, do the subways still have the blind accordion players playing the accordion on the cars and begging for change?

That's what got me interested in the accordion. When I was nine, I started to take lessons and the teacher freaked out when I told him my reason. I wanted to work in the subway.

you wanted to be blind?

265 Dustoff-507  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:38:50pm

re: #261 OldLineTexan


HEY NOW!

266 loppyd  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:39:29pm

Team Obama Spin Lies About Ayers


Obama Spokesman Bill Burton denied Obama ever wrote a favorable review for Ayers’ 1997 book on the juvenile justice system, sarcastically titled "A Kind and Just Parent” in an interview with Fox News Company’s Megyn Kelly Tuesday.

“He did not write a blurb for his book,” Burton said. “He did not.”

Contrary to what Burton said, a December 1997 article from the Chicago Tribune contains a statement from Obama describing Ayers’ book as “A searing and timely account of the juvenile court system, and the courageous individuals who rescue hope from despair.”

The book plainly recognizes Ayers’ involvement in terrorist acts.

The Amazon.com description of Ayers’ book says “For five years, Ayers, a former member of the radical 1960s Weathermen organization, acted as a teacher and an observer in Chicago's Juvenile Court prison, the nations first and largest institution of juvenile justice….the court today epitomizes the confused and confusing way American justice deals with children…Ayers shows that we must overcome our preconceived notions of these children and learn to deal with the realities of their lives.”

267 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:39:35pm

re: #257 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Torgo Baby!

Flag on the moon... how'd it get there?

268 debutaunt  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:40:15pm

re: #263 Outrider

and they too, taste good.

Snakes are scared of bunnies.

269 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:40:17pm

re: #262 Dustoff-507

Nice. I'll remember that one.

Squirrel stew
Squirrel with dumplings
BBQ squirrel
Pan-fried squirrel
Squirrel pie

/and that's all I have to say about squirrels

270 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:40:31pm

re: #260 Outrider

A couple of them tossed in a stew taste pretty good.

Welcome to LGF, Governor Huckabee!

271 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:40:51pm
272 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:41:00pm

re: #243 HoosierHoops

It's a plot! BTW.. You've got mail


So do you.

273 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:41:06pm

re: #268 debutaunt

Snakes are scared of bunnies.

As is Jimmy Carter.

274 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:41:31pm

re: #268 debutaunt

Snakes are scared of bunnies.

So is Carter.

275 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:41:39pm

Found the Globe's review (funny, it says it was reviewed on Sunday, but wasn't in the Sunday paper, the only one we get. Mabye we can cancel the subscription now that the dogs have grown from being puppies)

Anyway, it gets two out of 4 stars, and here's the review.

276 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:42:09pm

re: #273 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

As is Jimmy Carter.

Dang, 25 seconds too late! :)

277 yma o hyd  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:42:16pm

re: #142 doppelganglander

Is that where Dr. Who and Torchwood are made? My husband and daughter are huge fans and they now want to visit Cardiff.

Err - no ...
Its still in the planning stages, and they're very short of money ...

Torchwood and Dr.Who are made by the BBC Wales, right here in Cardiff!
Its a good place to visit - we have a most fantasic open-air Museum of Welsh Life, a Castle right in the middle of town, parks - and a pretty nifty shopping district, being extended right now: huge building project!

278 Celtic Templar  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:42:35pm

re: #229 JacksonTn

I finally found part of his state senate record and guess who introduced a Islamic Community Day ....... Barack Hussein Obama

[Link: web.archive.org...]

Senate Sponsors:
OBAMA.

Short description:
11/1/97-ISLAMIC COMMUNITY DAY

Synopsis of Bill as introduced:
Declares November 1, 1997 to be South Shore Islamic Community
Center Day.

Last action on Bill: SESSION SINE DIE

Last action date: 99-01-12

Location: Senate

Amendments to Bill: AMENDMENTS ADOPTED: HOUSE - 0 SENATE - 0


END OF INQUIRY

No shit ... this one gets mailed to my circle of trust.

279 Jamie  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:43:26pm

re: #91 Occasional Reader

It's a completely different kind of movie... altogether!

Shanna, the moviegoers bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into.

I say, let 'em crash.

280 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:43:28pm

re: #271 buzzsawmonkey

The MTA now administers a licensing/permission program for working the subways. It started around the time that tokens were completely replaced by Metrocards--probably an effort to end tokenism in all aspects of the subway.

There are still unlicensed beggars and performers too, of course.

Just wondering. I haven't been back in 25 years. I know in Paris, they actually encourage street performers to work the metro and other public places. And they do issue permits, and the government pays the salary.

281 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:43:48pm

re: #271 buzzsawmonkey

The MTA now administers a licensing/permission program for working the subways. It started around the time that tokens were completely replaced by Metrocards--probably an effort to end tokenism in all aspects of the subway.

There are still unlicensed beggars and performers too, of course.

But it seems the buskers are limited to some parts of the lines. We were on the A train from Brooklyn to most of the way north, and they got off at 34th st.
One group was a mariachi band, which reminded me of a Tom Lehrer line "The mariachis would serenade/ and they would not shut up till they were paid"

282 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:44:51pm
283 Dustoff-507  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:44:51pm

Hey, where is Mandy.

I could use a few cuss words right now. (-:

284 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:45:01pm

re: #277 yma o hyd

Err - no ...
Its still in the planning stages, and they're very short of money ...

Torchwood and Dr.Who are made by the BBC Wales, right here in Cardiff!
Its a good place to visit - we have a most fantasic open-air Museum of Welsh Life, a Castle right in the middle of town, parks - and a pretty nifty shopping district, being extended right now: huge building project!

So how far from Cardiff is that new studio? Is it close enough in that the Torchwood people could, say, detect an alien artifact being used as a movie prop and come looking? :D

285 Celtic Templar  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:45:15pm

re: #279 Jamie

Shanna, the moviegoers bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into.

I say, let 'em crash.

Surely, you can't be serious?

286 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:45:33pm

re: #271 buzzsawmonkey

There are still unlicensed beggars and performers too, of course.

Damn scabs. I'm suprised the union hasn't come down harder on them.

/

287 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:45:58pm

re: #285 Celtic Templar

Surely, you can't be serious?

Don't call me Shirley.

288 jorline  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:46:15pm

re: #246 pre-Boomer Marine brat

AND HELLO TO SOUTH TEXAS!
*rimshot*

The big question was whether he should be traded or not. Word was that the judge and lawyers and team management had a conference in the judge's chambers ... and decided he should stick it out in Dallas.

Hey, pBMB...good see you.

289 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:46:40pm

re: #271 buzzsawmonkey

The MTA now administers a licensing/permission program for working the subways. It started around the time that tokens were completely replaced by Metrocards--probably an effort to end tokenism in all aspects of the subway.

There are still unlicensed beggars and performers too, of course.

Is Charlie still on the MTA?

290 Jamie  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:46:54pm

re: #75 Outrider

9. "An American Carol," Vivendi Entertainment, $3,656,000, 1,639 locations, $2,231 average, $3,656,000, one week.

at least it came in ahead of :

10. "Religulous," Lionsgate, $3,409,643, 502 locations, $6,792 average, $3,428,633, one week

I wouldn't tout those numbers, because they invite a comparison of the number of screens where the film was available. Plus, I hear that Religulous spares none of the sensitivities the radical Islamists blow people up over, which makes it worth watching, IMO.

291 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:47:08pm
292 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:47:10pm

re: #287 Kosh's Shadow

Don't call me Shirley.

I just want you to know...we're all counting on you.

293 Celtic Templar  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:47:19pm

re: #287 Kosh's Shadow

Don't call me Shirley.

Nope.

"I am serious ... and don't call me Shirley." (sorry for the pedanticism)

294 subsailor68  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:47:23pm

re: #289 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Sorry to butt in, but I believe his fate is still unlearned.

295 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:48:22pm

re: #288 jorline

Hey, pBMB...good see you.

*grin*
(waves back)
And Joey H. was puzzled over why everyone was making such a big deal over such a little thing.

296 Outrider  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:48:23pm

re: #268 debutaunt

Snakes are scared of bunnies.

I seem to recall seeing a video of a rabbit opening a can of whup-ass on a snake.

297 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:48:30pm

re: #281 Kosh's Shadow

But it seems the buskers are limited to some parts of the lines. We were on the A train from Brooklyn to most of the way north, and they got off at 34th st.
One group was a mariachi band, which reminded me of a Tom Lehrer line "The mariachis would serenade/ and they would not shut up till they were paid"

That's interesting. In the 50's, when I saw the accordion players, I don't think it was legal, because the beggars were always trying to avoid the conductors, and they seemed to be aware of the way the transit employees "moved" during thier shifts. It was sort of a cat and mouse game.

And there were some of these players who were NOT blind. All the kids knew who they were, and we would break up their scams by placing our legs out in the aisle, just as they passed by, and they would have to avoid the leg.

Sort of gave their game away. They would always leave the car and get off at the next stop.

298 doppelganglander  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:48:56pm

re: #277 yma o hyd

Err - no ...
Its still in the planning stages, and they're very short of money ...

Torchwood and Dr.Who are made by the BBC Wales, right here in Cardiff!
Its a good place to visit - we have a most fantasic open-air Museum of Welsh Life, a Castle right in the middle of town, parks - and a pretty nifty shopping district, being extended right now: huge building project!

Oh, I see. The article was dated 2005 so I had no idea. Anyway, Cardiff sounds lovely.

299 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:49:02pm

#289 & #294

Some people are showing their age. ;-)

300 Outrider  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:49:02pm

re: #267 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Flag on the moon... how'd it get there?

Eh. Movie set. No breeze on the moon.
/channeling Ron Paul

301 ggt  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:49:37pm

Hey Lizards. I'm back from my errands --whad' I miss?

302 subsailor68  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:49:49pm

re: #299 unreconstructed rebel

Ouch! (My grandpa used to sing it to me...no?)

303 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:50:07pm

Bush quit talking & the market went to shit.

304 alegrias  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:50:11pm

re: #189 Racer X

David Zucker is getting cheated at the box office by dishonest theater owners / staff. An American Carol is not being advertised on the marquee, the film is not being listed at the ticket booth, and is being omitted on the theater voice recordings. Tickets are sold for a different movie and patrons are told it was just an "error".

Leftwing conspiracy?


Help the filmmakers out - go see it! Check your ticket stub to insure it says "An American Carol" so they get credit.

* * *
This does not surprise me one bit. The WashPost called "An American Carol" "unreviewed", then trashed it!

305 jorline  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:50:19pm

re: #295 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*grin*
(waves back)
And Joey H. was puzzled over why everyone was making such a big deal over such a little thing.

I guess she would know if it was a little thing or not...LOL

306 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:50:21pm

re: #289 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Is Charlie still on the MTA?

re: #291 buzzsawmonkey

Different MTA; the "Charlie" song is about Boston.

307 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:50:33pm

re: #301 ggt

Hey Lizards. I'm back from my errands --whad' I miss?

Stocks down
Stocks up
Edgar still sucks
Palin wears body condom

Always glad to help.

308 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:50:36pm

re: #289 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Is Charlie still on the MTA?

Different MTA. Charlie is on the Boston one.
Funny, they named the fare cards "Charlie cards", and then they don't display how much money is left on a card either on the card or on the turnstyle.
You have to go to a machine to read it.
Since a few stops still require a fare to exit, you could get stuck on the T.

But since the song has "And through the open window she'd hand Charlie a sandwich as the train came rumbling through", I've wondered why his wife didn't include the nickel he needed to get off?

309 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:50:36pm

re: #283 Dustoff-507

Hey, where is Mandy.

I could use a few cuss words right now. (-:

Traditional or extra crispy?

310 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:50:37pm

re: #291 buzzsawmonkey

Different MTA; the "Charlie" song is about Boston.

Yeah. I was in junior high in Worcester about the time the KT brought the song out.

After clicking "post", I realized you must be talking about NYS's subway authority. ooops!

311 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:51:27pm

re: #299 unreconstructed rebel

#289 & #294

Some people are showing their age. ;-)

see my #306 ,, as a kid , I knew that song by heart (born and raised in Boston in 1953)

312 Neo Con since 9-11  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:51:44pm

re: #296 Outrider

I seem to recall seeing a video of a rabbit opening a can of whup-ass on a snake.

Yes, here it is

313 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:51:45pm

re: #304 alegrias

* * *
This does not surprise me one bit. The WashPost called "An American Carol" "unreviewed", then trashed it!

Well, the producers did not hold any pre-opening screenings for any critics. So they had to see it at the same time it opened to the general public. That pisses the critics off something terrible.

314 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:51:49pm

re: #304 alegrias

* * *
This does not surprise me one bit. The WashPost called "An American Carol" "unreviewed", then trashed it!

It hasn't been REVIEWED until it's been reviewed by The Washington Post!

/

315 Slumbering Behemoth  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:52:09pm

re: #143 eschew_obfuscation

That's pretty funny given that studios strive to get 'R' ratings because they sell better!

Would "Die Hard 4" be an exception to that rule?

/Watered down compared to previous "Die Hard" films to get the PG-13 rating, because that rating sells better.

316 jacksontn  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:52:10pm

re: #191 Pvt Bin Jammin

"Obama began seeking the New Party endorsement in 1995. He had been running in a four way primary against his former boss, Senator Alice Palmer, herself a far left radical, and two other individuals. But an election law quirk gave Obama the upper hand. In order to get on the ballot, candidates had to collect signatures of voters. Printed names were not allowed. Obama challenged the petitions of his rivals and was able to get every one of them thrown off the ballot. By the time the ballot was drawn up for the 1996 election, Obama’s was the only name in the race.

Nonetheless, Obama still coveted the New Party endorsement. The New Party required candidates who received the endorsement sign a pledge of support for the party. Obama did not need to support a party that was, in effect, a front group for communists; yet he still chose to. The July issue of the New Ground noted that 15% of the New Party consisted of Democratic Socialists of America members and a good number of Committee of Correspondence members."
snip

[Link: www.discoverthenetworks.org...]

Private:

I have been looking at the archives that google has up today and the link I had earlier to the New Party website that said he was a member has alot of forums you can access. It is a lot of digging but there are many comments. I guess Axelrod did not get to scrub all the archives of google.

317 yma o hyd  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:52:33pm

re: #218 Irene NYC

Just watching a clip from the View from Hot Air. What is the matter with these people? Barbara Walters says can't we all agree that there's a statute of limitations when it comes to Ayers and his past.

You know, I really, really don't want to even live in the same country as these types of people.

I think I'm going to go insane soon.

What awful hags!

This is what someone did who did not murder or bomb people:

"After his resignation, Profumo began to work as a volunteer cleaning toilets at Toynbee Hall, a charity based in the East End of London, and continued to work there for the rest of his life. [2] Eventually, Profumo volunteered as the charity's chief fundraiser. These charitable activities helped to restore Profumo's reputation;"

This, and more about Profumo, here:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Thats what is called atonement - have Dohrn and Ayers atoned? Do they actually know what atonement means?
I don't think so - and as long as they don't regret and atone, there'll be no 'statute of limitation' for them!

318 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:52:43pm

re: #310 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Yeah. I was in junior high in Worcester about the time the KT brought the song out.

After clicking "post", I realized you must be talking about NYS's subway authority. ooops!

319 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:53:02pm

re: #294 subsailor68

Sorry to butt in, but I believe his fate is still unlearned.

*RIMSHOT*

BTW, from your nic, I've been guessing that you served on diesel boats. Correct?

(I was on a flatop, mid-60's)

320 ggt  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:53:15pm

re: #307 Walter L. Newton

Thanks for the update!

321 loppyd  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:53:38pm

Hey Hooooooosier Daddy!

322 nikis-knight  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:53:41pm

re: #118 Vergeltung

not defending Maher, as if I saw him in person I would get arrested by virtue of the action I would take. however, that being said, I heard that he attacks all religious faiths rather equally, including some nice jabs at the splodeydopes....

Since we all know all religions are equally worthy of disgust and ridicule, I guess that is only as it should be, right?

/

323 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:54:02pm

re: #311 sattv4u2

see my #306 ,, as a kid , I knew that song by heart (born and raised in Boston in 1953)

IIRC, the Kingston Trio was before the folk music genre went lefty & all.

324 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:54:14pm

re: #316 jacksontn

Heh, I've been checking out your posts and doing a little searching myself.
Thanks for bringing this to our attention.

325 subsailor68  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:54:24pm

re: #319 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Nope. I did ride a few, but was lucky enough to go directly from Sub School to new construction at Mare Island. USS Pintado, SSN 672. It was a wonderful boat with an amazing crew. Best times of my life (so far). :-)

326 ggt  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:55:11pm

re: #317 yma o hyd

Statute of Limitations --for murder?

327 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:55:13pm

re: #290 Jamie

I wouldn't tout those numbers, because they invite a comparison of the number of screens where the film was available. Plus, I hear that Religulous spares none of the sensitivities the radical Islamists blow people up over, which makes it worth watching, IMO.

I wouldn't cross the street to piss on Bill Maher if he was on fire.

It's too bad when people like him have good ideas, and I have to avoid handing them my money.

328 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:55:57pm

re: #321 loppyd

Hey Hooooooosier Daddy!

Howdy Loppyd..
I don't know about you..but i never go see a movie without reading the Washington Post's review first...Since they trashed the movie I don't know if I Should see it or not..
/ must I?

329 nikis-knight  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:57:06pm

re: #149 Walter L. Newton

Spot on. You know, I have heard the "full body condom" reference used in humor over the years, but I have a question. Is there really such an item?

Walter in Golden, Co.

P.S.
(and if it exists, where can I get one, I have an idea)

I don't know, but if it exists I'd bet dollars to donuts Zombie has seen one. (In his/her journalistic capacity only, of course!)

330 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:57:07pm

re: #327 OldLineTexan

I wouldn't cross the street to piss on Bill Maher if he was on fire.

It's too bad when people like him have good ideas, and I have to avoid handing them my money.

That deserved an upding!

331 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:57:09pm

Anybody here see the movie A Mighty Wind? Funny.

332 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:57:20pm

re: #308 Kosh's Shadow

Different MTA. Charlie is on the Boston one.
Funny, they named the fare cards "Charlie cards", and then they don't display how much money is left on a card either on the card or on the turnstyle.
You have to go to a machine to read it.
Since a few stops still require a fare to exit, you could get stuck on the T.

But since the song has "And through the open window she'd hand Charlie a sandwich as the train came rumbling through", I've wondered why his wife didn't include the nickel he needed to get off?

AND YOU WOULD SPOIL A WONDERFUL SONG?!?!
SHAME ON YOU!

333 alegrias  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:57:27pm

re: #314 NomadOfNorad

It hasn't been REVIEWED until it's been reviewed by The Washington Post!

/

* * *
Reviewer in chief, Fat Tom Shales, burp. What a gas bag.

334 Dustoff-507  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:57:30pm

re: #309 HoosierHoops


NOoooo now I have to pick?

335 debutaunt  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:57:52pm

re: #296 Outrider

I seem to recall seeing a video of a rabbit opening a can of whup-ass on a snake.

Yes! The bunny treed the snake!

336 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:58:11pm

re: #323 unreconstructed rebel

IIRC, the Kingston Trio was before the folk music genre went lefty & all.

Absolutely.

/though the Weavers were around back then -- predated the KT

337 ggt  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:58:19pm

I sat down to do more research on Ayers --but it just upsets me too much.

This is what Moral Relativism is all about. So, you murdered people because you had a cause --but now you don't. It's ok, I'll let you have a hand in educational policy for my children.

Ayers and Dorn declared war and think they won.

/gah

338 alegrias  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:58:34pm

re: #313 Walter L. Newton

Well, the producers did not hold any pre-opening screenings for any critics. So they had to see it at the same time it opened to the general public. That pisses the critics off something terrible.

* * *
Who elected leftist movie reviewers arbiters of truth and the American Way?

339 Outrider  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:58:41pm

re: #290 Jamie

I wouldn't tout those numbers, because they invite a comparison of the number of screens where the film was available. Plus, I hear that Religulous spares none of the sensitivities the radical Islamists blow people up over, which makes it worth watching, IMO.


kind of curious what kind of theaters played each of the movies.
American Carol played at 1,630 locations while Religious played at 502. But Religious brought in an average of $6,792; about three times as much as the average of American Carol at $2,231 while playing at a third of the number of theaters. Just curious.

340 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:58:47pm

re: #328 HoosierHoops

Howdy Loppyd..
I don't know about you..but i never go see a movie without reading the Washington Post's review first...Since they trashed the movie I don't know if I Should see it or not..
/ must I?

heh! I usually read the reviews and assume that the opposite is true.

If you remember the reviews were awful when Star Wars was released in 1977.....and for many other great movies since.

341 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:59:20pm
342 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:59:23pm

Considering that the Dow was in positive territory this morning, it has now lost over 600 points.

Welcome to the lean years.

343 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 12:59:54pm

re: #329 nikis-knight

I don't know, but if it exists I'd bet dollars to donuts Zombie has seen one. (In his/her journalistic capacity only, of course!)

[Link: www.ramdac.org...]

344 ggt  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:00:01pm

re: #340 eschew_obfuscation

That's because the "reviewers" don't like any reference to absolute good or absolute evil. Just doesn't work with their world view.

345 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:00:30pm

re: #325 subsailor68

Nope. I did ride a few, but was lucky enough to go directly from Sub School to new construction at Mare Island. USS Pintado, SSN 672. It was a wonderful boat with an amazing crew. Best times of my life (so far). :-)

SubSailor! I worked at Mare Island in Bld.690. I refueled the nuclear boats on the Island After college..Pretty cool job...
Mic: ah..this is the Hoopster.. I just opened CD39 valve..Is that ok?
Control: NNNNNOOOOO!
Another thing RADCON loved to hear over the headphones:
Whoops!
RADCON: What happened? What Happened?
Me: oh..Nothing...

346 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:00:46pm

Market is closed.

I need a drink.

347 yma o hyd  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:00:51pm

re: #282 buzzsawmonkey

Aww ...

Cardiff was the biggest coal-exporting harbour in the UK, if not Europe, up to WWII. What used to be the harbour became derelict as the coal mines closed.
Now, there is a barrage (brilliant edifice!), and a freshwater lake - and the most amazing regeneration project.
You've seen the new buildings and everything if you watch Torchwood, and Dr Who ...

348 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:01:20pm

re: #343 sattv4u2

[Link: www.ramdac.org...]

I got some web cartoon decrying hotlinking as a sin that kills baby kittens or some nonsensical crap that some pimply prepubescent bucket of lard thought was funny.

/

349 Vergeltung  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:02:10pm

re: #322 nikis-knight

Since we all know all religions are equally worthy of disgust and ridicule, I guess that is only as it should be, right?

/

not the point I was making. it's just not an anti-christian film alone, is what I was trying to say.

350 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:02:25pm

re: #341 buzzsawmonkey

The folk music genre was always lefty. It began with the leftist Alan Lomax recording songs during the Depression under the auspices of the WPA or some such; communists Pete Seeger and Woody Guthrie and the Almanac Singers (the precursors of the Weavers) were in there right at the beginning.

Then for the sophisticated, there was Aaron Copeland.

351 subsailor68  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:02:31pm

re: #345 HoosierHoops

How cool is that! BTW the shipyard guys were terrific. With the help of a few pounds of coffee, a ham or two, and some other stuff - the shop guys even found us some very comfortable pilot chairs for sonar - instead of the backless benches.

(Wonder if the statute of limitations on that has run out. Oops!)

352 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:02:53pm

re: #348 OldLineTexan

I got some web cartoon decrying hotlinking as a sin that kills baby kittens or some nonsensical crap that some pimply prepubescent bucket of lard thought was funny.

/

I'll have you know
A)Clearasil works fine
B) my voice has changed
C) okay ,,, ya got me there!

353 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:02:58pm

re: #331 unreconstructed rebel

Anybody here see the movie A Mighty Wind? Funny.

How's It Hanging, Grandma?

354 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:03:03pm

re: #344 ggt

That's because the "reviewers" don't like any reference to absolute good or absolute evil. Just doesn't work with their world view.

Yep.....same reason the lefties don't like Palin.....she makes 'em feel guilty about who they are just by being herself. Pretty funny IMHO.

355 Alouette  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:04:02pm

re: #336 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Absolutely.

/though the Weavers were around back then -- predated the KT

The Weavers group was founded by Pete Seeger, 100% CPUSA.

356 alegrias  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:04:15pm

re: #342 Dirk Diggler

Considering that the Dow was in positive territory this morning, it has now lost over 600 points.

Welcome to the lean years.

* * *
Bah humbug. Let's see opportunity here, especially compared to rotten Russia's situation which is really down the tubes.

BUY low, sell high is classic advice.

This is an opportunity to invest in America! It's patriotic and NO ONE CAN MAKE YOU invest if you don't want to.

357 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:04:20pm

re: #325 subsailor68

Nope. I did ride a few, but was lucky enough to go directly from Sub School to new construction at Mare Island. USS Pintado, SSN 672. It was a wonderful boat with an amazing crew. Best times of my life (so far). :-)

1965/66, we tied up at Subic instead of Cubi Point. There was a diesel boat behind us, with a few of the crew lounging about on the deck as we headed down the pier on liberty. I needed a bath and change of whites after just LOOKING at them.

358 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:04:36pm

re: #351 subsailor68

How cool is that! BTW the shipyard guys were terrific. With the help of a few pounds of coffee, a ham or two, and some other stuff - the shop guys even found us some very comfortable pilot chairs for sonar - instead of the backless benches.

(Wonder if the statute of limitations on that has run out. Oops!)


Loved Mare Island! What years were you there? Were you familiar with the 683?

359 yma o hyd  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:04:48pm

re: #284 NomadOfNorad

So how far from Cardiff is that new studio? Is it close enough in that the Torchwood people could, say, detect an alien artifact being used as a movie prop and come looking? :D

Oh yes!

(Provided they don't get captured by all the valleys people ...!)

360 alegrias  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:05:33pm

re: #350 unreconstructed rebel

Then for the sophisticated, there was Aaron Copeland.


* * *
What's not to like about his "Rodeo/Hoedown" and "Lincoln Suite"? I love those pieces! Ultra American.

361 subsailor68  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:05:46pm

re: #357 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Heh, heh. Yep, no doubt about it. Old saying was that if you were walking down the passageway, smelled something awful, and turned around to see there was no one there - time for a shower.

362 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:05:50pm
363 loppyd  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:05:54pm

Heading home.

Will check in before the debate!

364 Vergeltung  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:06:29pm

re: #339 Outrider

kind of curious what kind of theaters played each of the movies.
American Carol played at 1,630 locations while Religious played at 502. But Religious brought in an average of $6,792; about three times as much as the average of American Carol at $2,231 while playing at a third of the number of theaters. Just curious.

metropolitan vs. suburban?

365 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:06:35pm

re: #359 yma o hyd

Oh yes!

(Provided they don't get captured by all the valleys people ...!)

Aliens don't come to this part of Texas anymore after a few "revenge" probings were committed. Which means their damned pet chupacabras are all over the place running wild. Can't keep a goat to save your life.

366 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:06:55pm

loppyd,

Heading home.

Will check in before the debate!



How is life in Waspville?

367 yma o hyd  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:06:56pm

re: #316 jacksontn

Just want to say - you're doing a terrific job, digging!
Much appreciated!

368 subsailor68  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:06:57pm

re: #358 HoosierHoops

I was there from September 1970 until about October 1971 (68 was the year I joined up). Pintado, Hawkbill, and Drum were the boats in the yard when I was there.

369 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:07:35pm

re: #331 unreconstructed rebel

Anybody here see the movie A Mighty Wind? Funny.


I love Christopher Guest films.

370 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:07:55pm

re: #362 buzzsawmonkey

The Weavers were the late version of the Almanac Singers, which included Woody Guthrie (the Weavers did not). Many of the songs now remembered as "Weavers songs," such as "Goodnight Irene" (Leadbelly), "Union Maid," "Which Side Are You On?" and Guthrie's "Reuben James" were first done by the Almanacs.

Last Saturday night I got married
Think I'll jump in thr river and drown

/cut out the unneeded verbiage

371 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:08:20pm

re: #360 alegrias

* * *
What's not to like about his "Rodeo/Hoedown" and "Lincoln Suite"? I love those pieces! Ultra American.

Didn't say I didn't like it. Just that Copeland, too, was very much a 1930s champion of the common man.

372 yma o hyd  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:08:39pm

re: #326 ggt

Statute of Limitations --for murder?

Thats what those hags on 'View' apparently said, according to Irene-NYC, statute of limitation for Ayer's past ...

373 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:09:12pm

re: #372 yma o hyd

Thats what those hags on 'View' apparently said, according to Irene-NYC, statute of limitation for Ayer's past ...

They'd be more fun to watch if they had a big kettle and were sharing an eye...

374 debutaunt  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:09:27pm

re: #369 redstateredneck

I love Christopher Guest films.

Guest and the bloodhound puppet show!

375 solomonpanting  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:09:41pm

Speaking of The Kingston Trio, did you see this from last week?

376 subsailor68  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:10:03pm

re: #373 OldLineTexan

Yeah, an eye of Newt Gingrich. Bet they'd hate that!

377 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:10:08pm

re: #353 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

You didn't like it.

378 gop_patriot  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:10:17pm

re: #373 OldLineTexan

They'd be more fun to watch if they had a big kettle and were sharing an eye...

HAHAHAHA

Yeah, I'd say that's about all that's missing. ROFLOL!

379 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:10:27pm

re: #169 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

For those interested, Dirty Harry's Place, a blog run by a conservative in Hollywood, is where I go to get my movie news & reviews.

Great site...thanks for the link.

380 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:10:32pm

Aaron Copland, not Copeland. Like the underrated Stallone movie.

381 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:10:38pm

re: #374 debutaunt

Guest and the bloodhound puppet show!

I think Best in Show is my fave.

382 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:10:39pm
383 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:11:00pm
384 alegrias  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:11:16pm

re: #362 buzzsawmonkey

The Weavers were the late version of the Almanac Singers, which included Woody Guthrie (the Weavers did not). Many of the songs now remembered as "Weavers songs," such as "Goodnight Irene" (Leadbelly), "Union Maid," "Which Side Are You On?" and Guthrie's "Reuben James" were first done by the Almanacs.

* * *
The Smithsonian Institution enthusiastically published many of these leftists' music, I forget whether the families of some of these folks donated their works. Nothing like your tax dollars propagating leftists works in perpetuity, and giving leftist "curators" lifelong jobs in "academia".

385 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:11:28pm

re: #374 debutaunt

Guest and the bloodhound puppet show!

Best in Show

386 debutaunt  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:11:32pm

re: #381 redstateredneck

I think Best in Show is my fave.

I agree, but they are all fun.

387 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:12:21pm

re: #377 unreconstructed rebel

You didn't like it.

I did. Not as much as Best in Show, or Spinal Tap (of course). 'Bout the same as Waiting for Guffman.

388 yma o hyd  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:12:44pm

re: #365 OldLineTexan

Aliens don't come to this part of Texas anymore after a few "revenge" probings were committed. Which means their damned pet chupacabras are all over the place running wild. Can't keep a goat to save your life.

Thats just terrible!

Good thing we've got Captain Torchwood and his crew - they do like it here!

389 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:12:44pm

re: #349 Vergeltung

not the point I was making. it's just not an anti-christian film alone, is what I was trying to say.

No, it's not so much an anti-Christian film as it is an anti-religion film, from what I hear. But it does apparently bash Christianity quite a lot, according to another post here. What, 90% of it it Christian-bashing?

390 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:12:45pm

re: #381 redstateredneck

I think Best in Show is my fave.

Yep

391 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:12:49pm

re: #386 debutaunt

I agree, but they are all fun.

It doesn't matter how many times I watch it, I just roll with laughter!

392 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:13:32pm

re: #341 buzzsawmonkey

Nitpicking, perhaps. There were parts of the folk music genre which were populist, rather than lefty. Re the examples you bring out, you are absolutely correct, but there were others.
By the mid-Sixties, they'd been pushed to the fringes, which was part of why this strictly-amateur left.

393 Celtic Templar  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:14:03pm

Today's tale of the tape: lost 6% out of my stocks, gained 4% in gold - net loss 2%.

394 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:14:37pm

re: #345 HoosierHoops

'Nother I liked to hear over an open mic - "Oh, shit"...

395 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:14:42pm

re: #383 taxfreekiller

debate, there is an ID thread coming up?

Oh, Hell no! Don't even THINK that! :P :P :P :P

396 Vergeltung  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:14:56pm

re: #392 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Nitpicking, perhaps. There were parts of the folk music genre which were populist, rather than lefty. Re the examples you bring out, you are absolutely correct, but there were others.
By the mid-Sixties, they'd been pushed to the fringes, which was part of why this strictly-amateur left.

populist = left

397 yma o hyd  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:15:06pm

re: #373 OldLineTexan

They'd be more fun to watch if they had a big kettle and were sharing an eye...

Teeheehee!

Just watching those clips where Whoopi thinks she'll be slave again were quite quite sufficient for me.
Thats one advantage living in the UK has - we don't get to see these hags!

398 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:15:17pm

re: #355 Alouette

The Weavers group was founded by Pete Seeger, 100% CPUSA.

Oh yeah, I know. See buzzsaw's.

399 ggt  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:15:18pm

re: #372 yma o hyd

I'm speechless.

400 Dianna  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:15:29pm

Hi!

I'm at home, after seeing my doctor.

I just got whacked with yet another pharmaceutical club. I feel awful, but I'm tired of lying in bed.

What's up? Not the market, I see. I do hear that the Ayers matter has proceeded to blow up so badly that even the MSM can't ignore it.

My Male now has some vague idea who Bernadine Dohrn is, too. This makes me laugh, since I first became aware of her when I read The Culture of Narcisism more than twenty years ago.

So, what else is interesting?

401 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:15:49pm

re: #388 yma o hyd

Is he the one that carries the oak hammer and Silver stakes?

402 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:16:27pm

re: #396 Vergeltung

populist = left

I agree with Marine Brat. There is a distinction.

403 jwb7605  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:16:52pm

re: #375 solomonpanting

Speaking of The Kingston Trio, did you see this from last week?

BUMMER!
MTA -- launched their career, as I recall.

Reverend Mr. Black was one of my personal favorites.

404 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:17:13pm

re: #400 Dianna

I just got whacked with yet another pharmaceutical club. I feel awful, but I'm tired of lying in bed.

What? Are you OK?

405 debutaunt  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:17:20pm

re: #400 Dianna

Are you getting re-infected?

406 yma o hyd  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:18:15pm

re: #399 ggt

I'm speechless.

Same here!

Thats the moonbat mindset in full flow - throw everything, laws included, overboard just so that B0 gets to win.

407 johnnyreb  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:18:19pm

re: #7 Vergeltung

I have often wondered how the conservative actors & actresses even survive in Crazywood. John Voight, Ron Silver, Robert Duvall, and the rest. I wonder how much they will work in the future.....

Paul Newman (who recently passed away here in CT) did it by simply leaving. If they wanted him, they had to come and get him. Seemed to work for him. He just kept low key and quiet and supported whatever causes he wanted to without being on the cover of any trashy hollywood tabloid. He was for Nuclear power, dirlling for oil, etc., but he didn't stand up and shout, he just donated money and time.

Our LLL local paper even said nice stuff about him. Come to think about it, they have even had postitive Gov. Palin articles at least every other day. Hmmmm, I wonder if they are getting the message?

408 DisturbedEma  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:18:34pm

OT, but what do you think? Did I miss the mark Lizards? Another round of flamed emails about the "8 years old" diversion got me going. . .

"Recent" discussions about Obama and his ties with Weather Underground member Ayers show the delicate but oh so powerful skill of political spinning and slight of hand. . .by team Obama.

Notice; the issue is NOT did Obama plant bombs with Ayers. . .it is What are his adult life ties with Ayers and more importantly for many people in my dad's generation, what are the influences and commonalities in their approach to U.S. government?

Is it a crime to hate America? Nope. Is it a crime to step on the flag and declare in print on 9-11-01 that you wish you could have done more by way of bombing. . .as planes were flying into buildings on the East Coast? Nope. Poor timing and poor judgement. . .the picture of Ayers posted here was taken in Chicago for an article where Ayers wishes he would have done more bombings and protesting. My dad was in Viet Nam at the time of his "activism" so were he alive today? He would be right here with me, I believe that in my heart.
But, hey, it is not even a crime to make the issue one of "he had nothing to do with this radical 60s politics guy" when the issue is SUPPOSED to be "what are you doing with this same unapologetic 60s radical in 2005 and how many times are you going to have to "clarify" relationships with people who represent fanatical beliefs AGAINST the United States?"

Look, go ahead Obama, hate America all you want. . .you, Ayers, Wright, Pfleger, and Bernadine, go right ahead. If THAT it the change you are selling, I am not buying. I have issues with a lot of things in this country- but I would just as soon suffer at the hands of your fanatic followers rather than support you if THIS is the kind of company you keep, and if THESE are the kind of positions you hold. Even if you cannot appreciate the fact that only in America can you act as you do, speak as you do, and hate as you do. . .because of the freedoms that are here. . .I can. My dad did. . .so do a lot of us, and what you mistake as weakness and softness is actually a sense of class and the realization that we, those of us not in Camp Obama, understand that our right to dissent is just as important to us, as your rights to support. . .and that is because we live in America. One thing that divides us though is the subjective interpretation of what it means to be "American" I will close this with something I heard A LOT during Grad school. . ."Dissent is not treason" Obama supporters would do well to remember that, Dissent is also not racism, and my right to dissent is just as strong as yours is to support.
My dad taught me that. Keep spinning Camp Obama. I will be watching your messiah very carefully tonight.

And remember;

"Our intelligence is imperfect, surely, and newly arisen; the ease with which it can be sweet-talked, overwhelmed, or subverted by other hardwired propensities -- sometimes themselves disguised as the cool light of reason -- is worrisome."Carl Sagan and Ann Druyan, 1992

409 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:19:15pm

re: #407 johnnyreb

Paul Newman (who recently passed away here in CT) did it by simply leaving. If they wanted him, they had to come and get him. Seemed to work for him. He just kept low key and quiet and supported whatever causes he wanted to without being on the cover of any trashy hollywood tabloid. He was for Nuclear power, dirlling for oil, etc., but he didn't stand up and shout, he just donated money and time.

Our LLL local paper even said nice stuff about him. Come to think about it, they have even had postitive Gov. Palin articles at least every other day. Hmmmm, I wonder if they are getting the message?

Newman was a moonbat, but a low keyed moonbat.

410 Alouette  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:19:16pm

re: #362 buzzsawmonkey

The Weavers were the late version of the Almanac Singers, which included Woody Guthrie (the Weavers did not). Many of the songs now remembered as "Weavers songs," such as "Goodnight Irene" (Leadbelly), "Union Maid," "Which Side Are You On?" and Guthrie's "Reuben James" were first done by the Almanacs.

I seem to remember the Carter Family (including June Carter Cash) as folk singers, I don't think they were commies.

411 yma o hyd  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:19:41pm

re: #401 Cap'n DOC

Is he the one that carries the oak hammer and Silver stakes?

Oh no.

He's much more high-tech than that!

412 Kenneth  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:19:46pm

re: #372 yma o hyd

No it's not a statute of limitations thing. Ayers was charged with various crimes but the prosecution screwed up and the case was thrown out for "prosecutorial misconduct". A new trial could not be held because of the "double jeopardy" rule.

Maybe Lawhawk could explain the justice of this to our non-legal minds...

413 sparrowlake  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:19:47pm

re: #341 buzzsawmonkey

The folk music genre was always lefty. It began with the leftist Alan Lomax recording songs during the Depression under the auspices of the WPA or some such; communists Pete Seeger and Woody Guthrie and the Almanac Singers (the precursors of the Weavers) were in there right at the beginning.

While Lomax served a valuable function by recording many folk songs in out of the way parts of the country before they vanished, it was all done as part of a means for the Party to appropriate the Voice of the Working Man. Many of the themes in modern-day leftism were laid down with the early folkies; the hatred of "Tin Pan Alley," i.e., commercial songs (think of Pete Seeger trying to trash Bob Dylan's electric guitar amp at the Newport Folk Festival); the exaltation of the poor and disadvantaged; the particular exaltation of criminals, particularly black convicts (Leadbelly, for example, was "discovered" when he was serving a conviction for murder, and was paroled through the intervention of his folkie friends).

Yes, the abject poverty and social injustice of the Depression spawned a whole generation of wonderful music and talented artists and other performing commies/lefties.
Dare we seriously doubt it could happen again under similar economic conditions - except this time they may well be better armed and organized, and perhaps led by a Messianic person in a position of great power?
BTW, I hated Dylan and wrote him off for many years after he went "electric" (and other stuff too).

414 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:20:05pm
415 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:20:05pm

re: #396 Vergeltung

populist = left

Begging to make a point, I'd define populist primarily as rabidly-common man, rabidly anti-Establishment, et cetera. Populists can appear on the far right (whence commeth my definition) as well as the far left (a more recent phenomena, of the past 100 years.)

416 DisturbedEma  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:20:36pm

re: #412 Kenneth

No it's not a statute of limitations thing. Ayers was charged with various crimes but the prosecution screwed up and the case was thrown out for "prosecutorial misconduct". A new trial could not be held because of the "double jeopardy" rule.

Maybe Lawhawk could explain the justice of this to our non-legal minds...

Oh, you mean because the country he hates has laws to protect him. . .hmmmmmmm

417 yma o hyd  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:21:17pm

re: #400 Dianna

I'm so sorry for you - and am hoping that this clobbering will work now!

{Dianna}

418 Dianna  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:21:25pm

re: #396 Vergeltung

populist = left

There are plenty of right-wing populists. They tend to be isolationists and fond of the gold standard, and terribly, terribly nostalgic for a world that never existed, but they definitely exist. They tend to think that I'm a "country-club Republican", never mind that I don't have either the money for the background to be any such thing.

419 DisturbedEma  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:21:32pm

re: #417 yma o hyd

I'm so sorry for you - and am hoping that this clobbering will work now!

{Dianna}

Ditto!

420 Alouette  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:22:00pm

re: #413 sparrowlake


BTW, I hated Dylan and wrote him off for many years after he went "electric" (and other stuff too).

Neighborhood Bully

421 semper gumbi  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:22:17pm

re: #25 Walter L. Newton

No, so don't start posting spoilers please!

General Patton: SLAP!
Mikey Moore Character: Ow!
Heh

422 seekeroftruth  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:22:34pm

OT - My son came home talking about Reagan causing the sub prime mortgage problem because of deregulation. He was hearing this from a friend. Does anyone have on information that doesn't come from Huffington Post? Thanks!

423 alegrias  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:22:41pm

re: #393 Celtic Templar

Today's tale of the tape: lost 6% out of my stocks, gained 4% in gold - net loss 2%.

* * *
Dollar cost averaging helps even out the ups & downs.

No one do anything crazy please--and our country's books are more transparent that other countries' so take heart.

424 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:22:43pm

re: #380 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I wrote Copland, then stuck in the e because it didn't sound right. I stand corrected,

425 Kenneth  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:22:47pm

re: #416 DisturbedEma

Funny thing about that Constitution he was is determined to destroy. It actually protects him.

426 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:22:58pm
427 yochanan  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:23:23pm

re: #418 Dianna

There are plenty of right-wing populists. They tend to be isolationists and fond of the gold standard, and terribly, terribly nostalgic for a world that never existed, but they definitely exist. They tend to think that I'm a "country-club Republican", never mind that I don't have either the money for the background to be any such thing.

AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE PAT PUKEANAN AND DAVID DUKE right wing populists can also be called neo fascists.

428 Dianna  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:23:32pm

re: #404 Walter L. Newton

Yeah. Sort of.

The infection that gave me breathing problems didn't quite clear up. So, here I am again.

I'm really tired of not being able to breathe, having a screaming headache, and feeling weak.

429 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:23:52pm

re: #412 Kenneth

No it's not a statute of limitations thing. Ayers was charged with various crimes but the prosecution screwed up and the case was thrown out for "prosecutorial misconduct". A new trial could not be held because of the "double jeopardy" rule.

Maybe Lawhawk could explain the justice of this to our non-legal minds...


Wasn't it an illegal wiretap or something of that nature?

430 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:23:55pm

I got canvassed by an Obamanite again today. She asked whether she could put a flyer on my door telling people that today is the last day to register to vote. Since it had Obama logos on it, I gave her my usual polite speech about remaining neutral here at the shop because I have customers on both sides. She said, "OK, I won't argue." I could tell she wanted to, though.

I saw that she put one up on the window of the vacancy next door. Somebody came along and scrawled on it, "Obama=Communist." Heh.

431 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:24:02pm

re: #403 jwb7605

Reverend Mr. Black was one of my personal favorites.

Do you know of Billy Edd Wheeler, who wrote that?

I've got his Milestones CD. It's absolutely great.

Ever heard "Ode to the little brown shack out back"?

432 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:24:11pm

re: #421 semper gumbi

General Patton: SLAP!
Mikey Moore Character: Ow!
Heh

Thanks a lot sarge. Hoo-hah.

433 yma o hyd  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:24:13pm

re: #412 Kenneth

No it's not a statute of limitations thing. Ayers was charged with various crimes but the prosecution screwed up and the case was thrown out for "prosecutorial misconduct". A new trial could not be held because of the "double jeopardy" rule.

Maybe Lawhawk could explain the justice of this to our non-legal minds...

Yes, sure - the issue here was that those hags on 'View' were asking for a 'statute of limitation' of even speaking about Ayer's past.
How insane is that?

434 opnion  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:24:41pm

Have you noticed that the Obama Campaign is doing a lot of whining that McCain is talking about Barry's sordid past & not confining himself to the economy?
David Axlerod was just on CNN in full pout. He is a Chicago Machine hack & is used to the Machine's overwhelming intimidation

435 debutaunt  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:25:19pm

re: #428 Dianna

Yeah. Sort of.

The infection that gave me breathing problems didn't quite clear up. So, here I am again.

I'm really tired of not being able to breathe, having a screaming headache, and feeling weak.

Tested for TB? I had a micobacterial infection that required a test and 4 different meds for a year.

436 UFO TOFU  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:25:19pm

re: #423 alegrias

* * *
Dollar cost averaging helps even out the ups & downs.


That, and I found it helps to quit checking on your holdings...

437 Dianna  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:26:10pm

re: #408 DisturbedEma

Wrong "sleight". You have "slight." You meant "sleight."

Happens all the time. It's another Dianna pet-peeve.

I'm cultivating a whole truck garden of them.

438 SurferDoc  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:26:21pm

re: #331 unreconstructed rebel

Anybody here see the movie A Mighty Wind? Funny.

It was hilarious! Count Rugen is one hell of a writer.

439 johnnyreb  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:26:35pm

re: #409 Walter L. Newton

Newman was a moonbat, but a low keyed moonbat.


Maybe, but he supported pretty much everything Hollyweird is against while he lived here and put his money up in a positive way for more Nuclear power and more oil drilling. He donated a ton of money for state/region groups pushing for more of both.

440 debutaunt  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:26:40pm

re: #430 wrenchwench

I got canvassed by an Obamanite again today. She asked whether she could put a flyer on my door telling people that today is the last day to register to vote. Since it had Obama logos on it, I gave her my usual polite speech about remaining neutral here at the shop because I have customers on both sides. She said, "OK, I won't argue." I could tell she wanted to, though.

I saw that she put one up on the window of the vacancy next door. Somebody came along and scrawled on it, "Obama=Communist." Heh.

"somebody" hehehehehe

441 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:26:40pm

re: #430 wrenchwench

I got canvassed by an Obamanite again today. She asked whether she could put a flyer on my door telling people that today is the last day to register to vote. Since it had Obama logos on it, I gave her my usual polite speech about remaining neutral here at the shop because I have customers on both sides. She said, "OK, I won't argue." I could tell she wanted to, though.

I saw that she put one up on the window of the vacancy next door. Somebody came along and scrawled on it, "Obama=Communist." Heh.

That's interesting, because I thought yesterday was the last day anyone could register.

Maybe that's a state by state deadline, not national. I know for sure yesterday was Colorado's cut off.

Any one know if it varies state to state?

442 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:26:46pm

re: #434 opnion

He is a Chicago Machine hack & is used to the Machine's overwhelming intimidation


Well, he needs to be reminded that shit don't work outsida Chicago. Daly had to learn that in Florida.

443 opnion  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:26:58pm

re: #410 Alouette

I seem to remember the Carter Family (including June Carter Cash) as folk singers, I don't think they were commies.

If you want to see a really funny movie about Folk Singing, rent 'A Mighty Wind."

444 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:27:17pm

re: #408 DisturbedEma

Not so disturbed there, Ema. You get an Upper for that one.

445 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:27:28pm

re: #410 Alouette

I seem to remember the Carter Family (including June Carter Cash) as folk singers, I don't think they were commies.

You are precisely correct.

446 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:27:43pm

re: #422 seekeroftruth

Deregulation is not the cause of, or solution to, the subprime mess. Demanding affordable housing by pushing loans to those who have no capacity to ever repay and then issuing secondary paper on those loans, is the cause of this mess.

And that starts with the CRA, and follows Fannie and Freddie, plus politicos on both sides of the aisle who thought affordable housing meant subsidizing those who couldn't afford 'em and pushing gimmicks to make monthly mortgage payments look affordable at the outset - 5/1 ARM, 3/1 ARM with little no money down, no credit, bad credit, no problem.

Well, guess what - big problem. Huge.

Affordable housing doesn't look so affordable when you see what mess that all wrought. Turns out that had the feds not pushed affordable housing, prices might not have appreciated as much as they did, homes would be more affordable to more people who actually have the ability to afford them. And banks and lenders would have sufficient good credit on hand to offset whatever bad loans they incurred.

Plus, the deregulation that you speak of is the same method by which some of the failed institutions are getting bailed out because they're able to take over institutions - investment houses bought by banks and vice versa.

447 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:28:09pm

re: #358 HoosierHoops

Loved Mare Island! What years were you there? Were you familiar with the 683?

I was assigned to 683 in early '89.

448 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:28:15pm

re: #441 Walter L. Newton

Yesterday in MT, as well.

449 Dianna  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:28:43pm

re: #410 Alouette

I seem to remember the Carter Family (including June Carter Cash) as folk singers, I don't think they were commies.

I think they were, at least, screaming populists. They could easily have shaded over, but I don't honestly remember.

450 yma o hyd  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:28:48pm

Gotta go, Lizards!
I hope and pray tha McCain lays into that empty suit, all guns blazing!
And I'm looking forward to reading all your comments and thoughts about that debate tomorrow ...

Here's to John McCain!

451 Kenneth  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:28:51pm

re: #422 seekeroftruth


From a (somewhat) conservative business paper:
How the Democrats Created the Financial Crisis

And from a very leftist UK paper:

Democrat fingerprints are all over the financial crisis

452 semper gumbi  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:29:12pm

re: #441 Walter L. Newton

That's interesting, because I thought yesterday was the last day anyone could register.

Maybe that's a state by state deadline, not national. I know for sure yesterday was Colorado's cut off.

Any one know if it varies state to state?


Yes it does. Yesterday was the last day for Virginia, the news said the last day for Maryland is the 14th, I think. Only States I know about.

453 DisturbedEma  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:29:13pm

re: #444 Cap'n DOC

Not so disturbed there, Ema. You get an Upper for that one.

Thanks, I just keep thinking I am losing my mind when I hear a 'statement" from Team Obama. . ."he was 8 years old". . .umm that is NOT the issue. . .um. . .right?

Thank G-d for Lizard reality checks!

454 jwb7605  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:29:20pm

re: #431 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Do you know of Billy Edd Wheeler, who wrote that?

I've got his Milestones CD. It's absolutely great.

Ever heard "Ode to the little brown shack out back"?

Not really.
Did he write Desert Pete? It's got a similar 'theme' (faith & trust).
That is my personal favorite from the Kingston Trio, but I don't know who wrote it.

455 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:29:36pm

re: #446 lawhawk

Deregulation is not the cause of, or solution to, the subprime mess. Demanding affordable housing by pushing loans to those who have no capacity to ever repay and then issuing secondary paper on those loans, is the cause of this mess.

Unfortunately, John Q. Public does not, or does not want to understand that.

456 yochanan  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:29:36pm

ayers has american blood on his hands the current mayor daley sure must see his father rolling in his grave the first mayor daley hated communists like ayers. it was under the first mayor that the weatherterrorists attempted to murder a Mr Elrod who ended up with a broken neck because of it.

457 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:29:47pm

re: #443 opnion

If you want to see a really funny movie about Folk Singing, rent 'A Mighty Wind."

An interesting thing about that movie is they all wrote those songs, sang them and played thier own instruments.

It was sort of a nice bookend to Spinal Tap, where they did all their own writing, singing and playing.

458 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:30:06pm

re: #413 sparrowlake

Yes, the abject poverty and social injustice of the Depression spawned a whole generation of wonderful music and talented artists and other performing commies/lefties.
Dare we seriously doubt it could happen again under similar economic conditions - except this time they may well be better armed and organized, and perhaps led by a Messianic person in a position of great power?
BTW, I hated Dylan and wrote him off for many years after he went "electric" (and other stuff too).

I hated Dylan from the first album he recorded.
A pompous little Greenwich Village sh*thead.
*spit*
*[deleted]*

459 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:30:23pm

re: #453 DisturbedEma

He's still only eight - just a tad bit more well-spoken than your garden variety eight-year-old.

460 Kenneth  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:30:27pm

re: #433 yma o hyd

I don't think being informed of the facts is of much concern to the View. It's about "feeling" what's right, and then screaming at the token conservative woman.

461 Dianna  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:31:05pm

re: #422 seekeroftruth

OT - My son came home talking about Reagan causing the sub prime mortgage problem because of deregulation. He was hearing this from a friend. Does anyone have on information that doesn't come from Huffington Post? Thanks!

First CRA was passed in 1977.

462 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:31:07pm

re: #460 Kenneth

Sounds like therapy to me.

463 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:31:36pm

re: #414 buzzsawmonkey

What this teaches us is that it is possible to take something of value and turn it to an underhanded purpose. Ironically, the communists who did this were in fact acting like capitalists; they saw an unexploited resource in folk music, appropriated it, and marketed it with an eye towards making the profit they wanted--the "profit" of acquiring ownership of a significant though heretofore unrecognized aspect of American culture.

Precisely.

464 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:32:01pm

re: #452 semper gumbi

Yes it does. Yesterday was the last day for Virginia, the news said the last day for Maryland is the 14th, I think. Only States I know about.

Yes, I just did a quick Google. It looks like there is some difference between state, but most seem to end by this Friday.

465 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:32:03pm

re: #447 CyanSnowHawk

I was assigned to 683 in early '89.

It seems to me we had the 683 in DD 3 around 89-90 timeframe.
Is that what you recall? I do know that once it entered DD#3 it became
a top secret project and no one is allowed to discuss what was done..

466 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:32:10pm
467 opnion  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:32:33pm

re: #442 unreconstructed rebel

Well, he needs to be reminded that shit don't work outsida Chicago. Daly had to learn that in Florida.

I think that they are starting to get frustrated over actually having to compete. Dat ain't da Chicaga way.
Although, they seem really confident with all of the theft that went on in Ohio. I doubt that McCain can win without Ohio & a Dem judge ruled that tihs early voting process is just fine, you know who needs proof of residency?

468 lobo91  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:32:38pm

re: #422 seekeroftruth

OT - My son came home talking about Reagan causing the sub prime mortgage problem because of deregulation. He was hearing this from a friend. Does anyone have on information that doesn't come from Huffington Post? Thanks!

The subprime crisis wasn't caused by deregulation at all, contrary to the Dem talking points.

It was caused by regulations put in place by them. Specifically, the Community Reinvestment Act, which forced banks to make loans to people who were unlikely to be able to repay them, lest they be prosecuted for illegal discrimination.

469 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:32:52pm

re: #458 pre-Boomer Marine brat

MWAH!

470 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:33:23pm

re: #433 yma o hyd

Ayers and the others likely had the charges dismissed against them with prejudice, which means that you cannot bring those same charges against them. There was prosecutorial misconduct involved regarding how the feds engaged in evidence gathering against the terrorist group. That's why the charges were dismissed.

You also cannot charge them with crimes that were not then in effect (ex post facto). So existing terrorism laws can't be used.

471 Abu Al-Poopypants  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:33:36pm

re: #433 yma o hyd

those hags on 'View' were asking for a 'statute of limitation' of even speaking about Ayer's past.
How insane is that?

BUT the fact that he's a terrorist associated with Obama is so inconveniently interfering with my HopeyChangeyness!

472 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:33:49pm

re: #408 DisturbedEma

Good post.

473 jwb7605  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:33:57pm

re: #458 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I hated Dylan from the first album he recorded.
A pompous little Greenwich Village sh*thead.
*spit*
*[deleted]*

Interesting.
Dylan is one of the few lefties I actually like. Wasn't it phoney Joanie Baez he was married to and divorced because she was too whacked out to live with?

Someone interviewed him a few years back, and I was surprised to learn he thought Woodstock was a joke, and had no use for the participants.

The lefties were ready to write him off after his Motorcycle accident which prompted him to "find God".

474 jorline  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:34:12pm

re: #458 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I hated Dylan from the first album he recorded.
A pompous little Greenwich Village sh*thead.
*spit*
*[deleted]*

LOL..have to agree, pBMB. I always wondered about the people who bought his LP's...who could listen to more than four minutes of Dylan.

475 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:34:22pm

re: #422 seekeroftruth

OT - My son came home talking about Reagan causing the sub prime mortgage problem because of deregulation. He was hearing this from a friend. Does anyone have on information that doesn't come from Huffington Post? Thanks!

I grew up in a part of the world that is convinced that Nelson County was washed away by hurricane Camille because man walked on the moon.

Sometimes, it's hard to know where to start.

476 bulwrk  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:34:55pm

Gore to hold post debate dessert fundraiser


Former Vice President Al Gore is holding a late-night fundraiser for Democrat Barack Obama after Tuesday's presidential debate in Nashville.

The event billed as a "Post-Debate Dessert Reception" is being held from 9:30 p.m. to 11:00 p.m. at Gore's home in the upscale suburb of Belle Meade.

The minimum contribution is $2,500 per person.

The invitation does not indicate whether Obama plans to make an appearance. Any contributions above $2,300 will go to the Democratic National Committee.

Gore was the Democratic presidential nominee in 2000.


Does anyone find that as funny as I do?

477 SurferDoc  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:35:04pm

re: #474 jorline

LOL..have to agree, pBMB. I always wondered about the people who bought his LP's...who could listen to more than four minutes of Dylan.

I was a fan of his back in the day but now it just sounds like whiny crap.

478 Dianna  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:35:11pm

re: #435 debutaunt

Tested for TB? I had a micobacterial infection that required a test and 4 different meds for a year.

No...I didn't even think about it.

Dr. listened to my chest, and frowned. She's treating it with yet more - and stronger - antibiotics, another - much lighter - course of steroids, and she threw in some singulair, because she's pretty sure this all goes back to my allergies.

479 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:35:32pm

re: #445 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I seem to remember the Carter Family (including June Carter Cash) as folk singers, I don't think they were commies.

You are precisely correct.

Appalachian folk and gospel.

480 Kenneth  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:35:56pm

The Bomber as School Reformer
The press—and debate moderators—shouldn’t let Bill Ayers and Barack Obama off the hook.
6 October 2008

Back in the early eighties, in an interview with David Horowitz and Peter Collier, Bill Ayers remembered his reaction upon learning that he would not be prosecuted by the government for his bombing spree as a member of the Weather Underground. “Guilty as hell, free as a bird—America is a great country,” he exulted. Ayers is now a university professor, but he must have been exulting all over again after reading Saturday’s front-page story in the New York Times.

Arse wipe!

481 opnion  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:36:18pm

re: #456 yochanan

ayers has american blood on his hands the current mayor daley sure must see his father rolling in his grave the first mayor daley hated communists like ayers. it was under the first mayor that the weatherterrorists attempted to murder a Mr Elrod who ended up with a broken neck because of it.


Good memory my friend. If I recall correctly, Elrod was there to see that the radicals had their rights respected. For his trouble they tried to murder him.
The orighinal Mayor Daley would never have advanced Obama.

482 seekeroftruth  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:36:20pm

re: #446 lawhawk

re: #451 Kenneth

re: #461 Dianna

re: #468 lobo91

Thank you very much !

483 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:37:41pm

re: #454 jwb7605

Not really.
Did he write Desert Pete? It's got a similar 'theme' (faith & trust).
That is my personal favorite from the Kingston Trio, but I don't know who wrote it.

Check out the "CD" link on his web site, and then the Milestones CD.

The liner notes right in front of me say that all songs on that CD were either written or co-written by him.

484 jaunte  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:38:07pm

re: #478 Dianna

Dianna, I hope you get better soon. When that happens, ask your doctor about an anti-allergen drug called Xolair. It's been keeping my (severely asthmatic/allergic) daughter's life fairly normal for the last 5 years.

485 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:38:12pm
486 Abu Al-Poopypants  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:38:19pm

Dylan haters should check out Neighborhood Bully.

487 semper gumbi  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:38:26pm

re: #189 Racer X

David Zucker is getting cheated at the box office by dishonest theater owners / staff. An American Carol is not being advertised on the marquee, the film is not being listed at the ticket booth, and is being omitted on the theater voice recordings. Tickets are sold for a different movie and patrons are told it was just an "error".

Leftwing conspiracy?


Help the filmmakers out - go see it! Check your ticket stub to insure it says "An American Carol" so they get credit.

Interesting. We went to see it Sunday Night. I'm pretty sure that the ticket stub was correct. I don't know about the marquee. What I did find interesting was that the theater wasn't even showing that Religiuosty (or whatever it's called) movie.
Most of the people at the theater were there to see the movie with the Chiihuahua or Eagle Eye.
This is at a theater half-way between DC and Richmond, in a fairly conservative area.

488 debutaunt  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:38:35pm

re: #478 Dianna

No...I didn't even think about it.

Dr. listened to my chest, and frowned. She's treating it with yet more - and stronger - antibiotics, another - much lighter - course of steroids, and she threw in some singulair, because she's pretty sure this all goes back to my allergies.

Let's hope this knocks out the misery!

489 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:38:43pm

re: #480 Kenneth

The Bomber as School Reformer
The press—and debate moderators—shouldn’t let Bill Ayers and Barack Obama off the hook.
6 October 2008


Arse wipe!

You know, we finally bagged OJ Simpson. Sometimes, it takes awhile.

490 opnion  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:38:44pm

re: #474 jorline

LOL..have to agree, pBMB. I always wondered about the people who bought his LP's...who could listen to more than four minutes of Dylan.

How true. Now Yoko Ono, that is entertainment!

491 SurferDoc  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:39:49pm

re: #490 opnion

How true. Now Yoko Ono, that is entertainment!

Crime against nature....

492 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:39:59pm

re: #465 HoosierHoops

It seems to me we had the 683 in DD 3 around 89-90 timeframe.
Is that what you recall? I do know that once it entered DD#3 it became
a top secret project and no one is allowed to discuss what was done..

I was there during that time. We called the Parche building 683. Was a nuke Machinist Mate at the time.
I remember the USS La Jolla came in and was supposed to get our DD, and they had to put her in another, shorter one. Her nose was within 20ft of the caisson and they still had to dig out the back end of the DD to get the shaft out the back.

493 alegrias  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:40:32pm

re: #455 unreconstructed rebel

Unfortunately, John Q. Public does not, or does not want to understand that.

* * *
Is it any wonder people "accepted" loans they didn't understand, but liberals thought were just the ticket for those for whom the rest of us don't already provided public housing?

Math and numeracy is no longer taught in schools apparently--teachers too busy telling kids to wear blue shirts & sing songs for The One.

494 bosforus  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:40:36pm

In my latest Strategy Update email from the Obama camp I read the following message:

But it's not enough to merely inform voters -- we've got to turn them out to vote.
You can make a huge difference by making a short trip to a key battleground state where the race is neck-and-neck -- or by making phone calls to undecided voters in battleground states.

Is it just me or are they asking people to travel to battleground states to cast fraudulent votes?

495 opnion  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:41:00pm

re: #491 SurferDoc

Crime against nature....

Yeah, the woman has a voice as bad as any that I have ever heard.

496 Dianna  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:41:11pm

re: #466 buzzsawmonkey

He did not start in the Village;
Bob Dylan came from Hibbing
And to begin his career
It was Guthrie he was cribbing.

He studied with Guthrie while Guthrie was suffering from Huntington's. Half of Dylan's vocal and physical mannerisms are him reproducing Guthrie's tics from Huntington's Chorea.

It's always made me slightly ill.

497 bosforus  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:41:19pm

re: #494 bosforus

Or maybe they're just encouraging people to campaign in those states.

498 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:41:32pm

re: #482 seekeroftruth

re: #451 Kenneth

re: #461 Dianna

re: #468 lobo91

Thank you very much !

Thank you. I've greenhearted them all, plus others like it.

499 Kenneth  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:41:51pm

His apologists explain Ayers is now a professor of education, which somehow redeems him. But what exactly are his views on education?

Calling Bill Ayers a school reformer is a bit like calling Joseph Stalin an agricultural reformer. (If you find the metaphor strained, consider that Walter Duranty, the infamous New York Times reporter covering the Soviet Union in the 1930s, did, in fact, depict Stalin as a great land reformer who created happy, productive collective farms.) For instance, at a November 2006 education forum in Caracas, Venezuela, with President Hugo Chávez at his side, Ayers proclaimed his support for “the profound educational reforms under way here in Venezuela under the leadership of President Chávez. We share the belief that education is the motor-force of revolution. . . . I look forward to seeing how you continue to overcome the failings of capitalist education as you seek to create something truly new and deeply humane.” Ayers concluded his speech by declaring that “Venezuela is poised to offer the world a new model of education—a humanizing and revolutionary model whose twin missions are enlightenment and liberation,” and then, as in days of old, raised his fist and chanted: “Viva Presidente Chávez! Viva la Revolucion Bolivariana! Hasta la Victoria Siempre!”

By the way, Obama wrote a glowing review of Ayers book on the juvenile justice system, A Kind and Just Parent

500 sparrowlake  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:41:58pm

re: #420 Alouette

Neighborhood Bully

Yep, just hated him (at the time).

501 SurferDoc  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:42:09pm

re: #495 opnion

Yeah, the woman has a voice as bad as any that I have ever heard.

Somebody said they were going to use her music to get Osama out of the cave in Tora-bora

502 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:42:18pm
For instance, at a November 2006 education forum in Caracas, Venezuela, with President Hugo Chávez at his side, Ayers proclaimed his support for “the profound educational reforms under way here in Venezuela under the leadership of President Chávez. We share the belief that education is the motor-force of revolution. . . . I look forward to seeing how you continue to overcome the failings of capitalist education as you seek to create something truly new and deeply humane.” Ayers concluded his speech by declaring that “Venezuela is poised to offer the world a new model of education—a humanizing and revolutionary model whose twin missions are enlightenment and liberation,” and then, as in days of old, raised his fist and chanted: “Viva Presidente Chávez! Viva la Revolucion Bolivariana! Hasta la Victoria Siempre!”


That in itself is enough for me. Never mind all the Weathermen bombings.

503 lobo91  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:42:48pm

re: #487 semper gumbi

Interesting. We went to see it Sunday Night. I'm pretty sure that the ticket stub was correct. I don't know about the marquee. What I did find interesting was that the theater wasn't even showing that Religiuosty (or whatever it's called) movie.
Most of the people at the theater were there to see the movie with the Chiihuahua or Eagle Eye.
This is at a theater half-way between DC and Richmond, in a fairly conservative area.

My wife and I saw it Saturday night at a multiplex in north Colorado Springs (right outside the south gate of the AF Academy), and there were maybe a dozen other people in the theater with us.

Our ticket stubs were correct, but I don't believe the movie was listed on the marquee out by the street (the theater's in a mall). I also found it interesting that Hollywood.com said it wasn't playing anywhere within 50 miles of our zip code when I checked. Not sure if that was intentional, or just a mistake.

504 seekeroftruth  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:42:56pm

re: #475 unreconstructed rebel

I grew up in a part of the world that is convinced that Nelson County was washed away by hurricane Camille because man walked on the moon.

Sometimes, it's hard to know where to start.

I hear you. It's hard correct something when we need to start off from a point that is not true. I appreciate everyone's help.

505 ggt  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:43:21pm

re: #412 Kenneth

OK, I understand that part. Has the paperwork been reexamined lately?

506 yochanan  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:43:42pm

re: #481 opnion

Good memory my friend. If I recall correctly, Elrod was there to see that the radicals had their rights respected. For his trouble they tried to murder him.
The orighinal Mayor Daley would never have advanced Obama.

it was the first mayor daley who said to 'shot to kill arsonists and shot to wound looters' hardly a liberal that one he was part of a crupt machine but was very anti communist.

507 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:43:44pm
508 Kenneth  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:43:52pm

re: #489 unreconstructed rebel

But that was for his most recent crime, not the original murder. Unfortunately, Ayers has some very powerful people looking out for him. He won't get caught.

509 Abu Al-Poopypants  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:44:04pm

re: #501 SurferDoc

Somebody said they were going to use her music to get Osama out of the cave in Tora-bora

If the old shaved goat in a miniskirt trick failed.

510 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:44:16pm

re: #454 jwb7605

Not really.
Did he write Desert Pete? It's got a similar 'theme' (faith & trust).
That is my personal favorite from the Kingston Trio, but I don't know who wrote it.

BTW, I thought BEW wrote it, but I can't find any reference at all to the author/composer.

511 Kenneth  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:44:29pm

re: #505 ggt

No idea.

512 opnion  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:44:38pm

re: #501 SurferDoc

Somebody said they were going to use her music to get Osama out of the cave in Tora-bora

Yeah, but then the UN would scream about a crime against humanity.

513 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:44:41pm
514 donlove  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:44:41pm

re: #152 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Mostly I just read comments. When I saw "pre-Boomer
Marine brat" and your comment about washing machines
and " born '43" I had to step in and say that I am a pre-boomer army brat born '38.

515 alegrias  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:44:47pm

re: #479 redstateredneck

Appalachian folk and gospel.

* * *
John McCain's younger brother, Joe, loved "Stained Glass Blue Grass" a program that played great gospel tunes, Bill Monroe and other old country singers' songs.

This is the same Joe McCain who got in trouble this week saying Northern Jihadist Virginia is communist!

And McCain's brother is darned right about Alexandria and Arlington being totalitarian, where dem Jim Moran rules the leftist roost.

516 opnion  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:45:56pm

re: #507 buzzsawmonkey

Give Yoko Ono props for fully exemplifying exactly what is wrong with the "art" world.

She makes music that sounds like a rabid cat being dragged across an out of tune violin, then babbles that her work is about "totar comoonicayshun"--and if you find it ugly, annoying, empty or just plain boring then there is something wrong, not with her "comoonicayshun," but with you.


Thats funny!

517 calcajun  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:46:07pm

re: #422 seekeroftruth

OT - My son came home talking about Reagan causing the sub prime mortgage problem because of deregulation. He was hearing this from a friend. Does anyone have on information that doesn't come from Huffington Post? Thanks!

Might I suggest that you start by teaching your son, though, that opinions are only as good as the facts upon which they are based. As I told a rather smug [smart-ass] scout in my son's troop who was proud of his knowledge about that nastiness of Americans and some of the evils they committed during the Revolution. It was good< It old him, that he had read a book, but there is a hell of a lot more out there to learn than what was in a textbook. Basically, I told him that he knew less that s**t about the American Revolution after reading only what a 6th grade textbook had to offer. I then told him that learning the limits of his knowledge is a good thing, for the getting of knowledge is the beginning of wisdom.

518 yochanan  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:46:23pm

if some one 'bagged' ayers/doran i would not shed a tear that is for sure.

519 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:46:25pm

I am outta here.
Later, lizards.

520 Meremortal  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:46:25pm

Lizards, I have received my offical ballot for the election. Who says we don't have choices? My ballot shows 16 presidential candidates! I can vote for parties known as:

Republican, Democrat, Constitution, Libertarian, Green, HeartQuake '08, Prohibition, Socialist Workers, Boston Tea, America's Independent, Socialism and Liberation, U.S. Pacifist, Unaffiliated, Socialist USA, Unaffiliated, and last and maybe least, Objectivist.

WOW!

I'm going to have to think about this...

521 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:46:27pm

re: #446 lawhawk

But...but...housing is a BASIC HUMAN RIGHT!
/

Seriously, I hear and read that frequently when I venture to the left end of the media.

522 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:47:08pm

re: #466 buzzsawmonkey

He did not start in the Village;
Bob Dylan came from Hibbing
And to begin his career
It was Guthrie he was cribbing.

Huh! I remember reading somewhere that he lived and played in the Village, at least for a while. Was he NEVER there?

And yes, I gather he cribbed from "everybody and his brother's dog".

523 opnion  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:47:09pm

re: #506 yochanan

it was the first mayor daley who said to 'shot to kill arsonists and shot to wound looters' hardly a liberal that one he was part of a crupt machine but was very anti communist.

I liked Mayor Daley. He had his faults , but he was a patriotic guy

524 jorline  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:47:18pm

re: #490 opnion

How true. Now Yoko Ono, that is entertainment!

LOL...like listening to Sonny Bono album.

525 Ben Hur  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:47:46pm

Ironic that if not for a rain storm, Arizona would've home to what is Hollywood today.

526 neocon hippie  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:47:58pm

re: #467 opnion

The early voting in Ohio may not be as much of a problem as feared:

[Link: www.toledoblade.com...]

527 lobo91  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:48:05pm

re: #493 alegrias

* * *
Is it any wonder people "accepted" loans they didn't understand, but liberals thought were just the ticket for those for whom the rest of us don't already provided public housing?

Math and numeracy is no longer taught in schools apparently--teachers too busy telling kids to wear blue shirts & sing songs for The One.

I'm right there with you. I can remember listening to one of those stupid radio ads about "magic mortgages" or some such crap and being able to do the math in my head while waiting for a left turn arrow. By the time the light turned green, I had figured out that if you accepted the terms they were describing in the ad, your loan would negatively amortize. The friggin' payments didn't even cover the interest!

528 calcajun  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:48:09pm

re: #490 opnion

How true. Now Yoko Ono, that is entertainment!

No--cruel and unusual punishment. Sort of like making prisoners watch "Donny & Marie" reruns before executing them--the prisoners, that is.

529 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:48:56pm

re: #469 goddessoftheclassroom

MWAH!

JAILBAIT!
/running like h*ll

{goddess}
MWAH!
I'm busily working down-thread, way th' heck behind

530 SurferDoc  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:49:00pm

re: #509 Abu Al-Poopypants

If the old shaved goat in a miniskirt trick failed.

HAHA!

531 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:49:02pm
532 opnion  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:49:43pm

re: #524 jorline

LOL...like listening to Sonny Bono album.

Did you ever notice that Sonny & Cher sounded a lot alike?
It was a little creepy.

533 ggt  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:50:29pm

re: #470 lawhawk

oh, lawhawk, if we have learned nothing from our LLL adversaries, it is that he can be tried in the Press.

534 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:50:29pm

re: #532 opnion

Speaking of Cher, isn't it amazing what a bit of body work can do?

535 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:50:31pm

re: #520 Meremortal

Socialism and Liberation

Holy 'incompatible concepts' Batman!

536 kynna  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:50:35pm

Roger L. Simon is great. I love his blog. He's got such a unique perspective since he was a total leftist radical activist who grew a clue. I will definitely buy this book!

537 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:50:50pm
538 ggt  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:51:03pm

re: #533 ggt

pimf!

learned anything (not "nothing).

539 calcajun  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:51:20pm

re: #527 lobo91

I'm right there with you. I can remember listening to one of those stupid radio ads about "magic mortgages" or some such crap and being able to do the math in my head while waiting for a left turn arrow. By the time the light turned green, I had figured out that if you accepted the terms they were describing in the ad, your loan would negatively amortize. The friggin' payments didn't even cover the interest!

The idea behind the loans was that it got people in the door. They were to use the time of the low payments to save up to pay down the principal and reduce the debt-income ration. Instead, the stupid bastards go to Lowes and Home Depot and by the kitchen and bath room of their dreams. When the real monthly payments, aka: reality, kicks in, they can't pay up.

This whole damn thing was caused by stupidity (aka willful ignorance) and greed.

540 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:52:11pm

re: #537 buzzsawmonkey

Ann Coulter looks like Cher with a bleach job.

Cher has an Adam's Apple?

541 Meremortal  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:52:22pm

re: #535 CyanSnowHawk

Holy 'incompatible concepts' Batman!

BWahahahaha! I almost put an editor's [huh?] after that one!

542 jorline  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:52:23pm

re: #532 opnion

Did you ever notice that Sonny & Cher sounded a lot alike?
It was a little creepy.

Sonny was funny, but couldn't sing worth a crap.

I miss shows like Red Skelton Hour, The Smothers Brothers and Carol Burnett.

543 doppelganglander  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:52:24pm

re: #428 Dianna

Yeah. Sort of.

The infection that gave me breathing problems didn't quite clear up. So, here I am again.

I'm really tired of not being able to breathe, having a screaming headache, and feeling weak.

So sorry you're still sick. Maybe it's one of those drug-resistant strains of bacteria, brought to you by yuppie moms who think their precious snowflakes need antibiotics for every sniffle.

544 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:52:35pm
545 yochanan  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:52:37pm

re: #537 buzzsawmonkey

ann c. looks like a tranny but then the trannies/gays like che i hear it is a cult thing

546 sparrowlake  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:52:43pm

re: #474 jorline

LOL..have to agree, pBMB. I always wondered about the people who bought his LP's...who could listen to more than four minutes of Dylan.

I have a CD with some old Dylan recordings:
Blowin' in the Wind
It's All Right
It Ain't Me Babe
Just Like a Woman
Like a Rolling Stone
Tambourine Man
The Times They Are a'Changin'
I never get tired of listening to it in the car (and screeching along at the top of my lungs).
The arrogant little snot was a great poet/songwriter in his/my early days.

547 opnion  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:52:44pm

re: #528 calcajun

No--cruel and unusual punishment. Sort of like making prisoners watch "Donny & Marie" reruns before executing them--the prisoners, that is.

Yuip, you blast Yoko Ono 24x7 at Gitmo, those turban dudes woukd be begging tio give up information.

548 calcajun  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:52:50pm

re: #534 unreconstructed rebel

Speaking of Cher, isn't it amazing what a bit of body work can do?

No--she is scary. God--she's got more paint on her face than there is on my car and her body has been rebuilt so many times, there are no longer any original parts.

549 Wishing  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:52:52pm

re: #539 calcajun

The idea behind the loans was that it got people in the door. They were to use the time of the low payments to save up to pay down the principal and reduce the debt-income ration. Instead, the stupid bastards go to Lowes and Home Depot and by the kitchen and bath room of their dreams. When the real monthly payments, aka: reality, kicks in, they can't pay up.

This whole damn thing was caused by stupidity (aka willful ignorance) and greed.

And it set up million of people for failure, this is the greatest cruelty of it.

550 ggt  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:53:01pm

Is Cher a moonbat? I spoke before Congress to get them to allocate more funds to the trooops --for safety gear and stuff --I remember that.

551 Outrider  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:53:02pm

re: #105 redstateredneck

Re: the rigged receipts for American Carol:
They want you to report it if you get one.

Did you know this link is now;

Not Found

The requested URL /fraud/ was not found on this server.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
Apache/2.2.9 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.9 OpenSSL/0.9.8i DAV/2 mod_auth_passthrough/2.1 mod_bwlimited/1.4 FrontPage/5.0.2.2635 Server at americancarol.com Port 80

I had been there twice since you put it up-now it's gone. Weird.

552 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:53:05pm

re: #514 donlove

Mostly I just read comments. When I saw "pre-Boomer
Marine brat" and your comment about washing machines
and " born '43" I had to step in and say that I am a pre-boomer army brat born '38.

*salute*

/aw, what th' heck, I'll even salute "army" ... *snicker/grin*

553 SurferDoc  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:53:10pm

re: #540 CyanSnowHawk

Cher has an Adam's Apple?

No, but she made his banana...nevermind...too easy

554 opnion  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:53:20pm

re: #534 unreconstructed rebel

Speaking of Cher, isn't it amazing what a bit of body work can do?

Thats a fact

555 jwb7605  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:53:24pm

re: #510 pre-Boomer Marine brat

BTW, I thought BEW wrote it, but I can't find any reference at all to the author/composer.

You have forced me to dig up one of my Kingston Trio collection CDs.
The Very Best of The Kingston Trio (Greatest 30 Hits):
Disc 2, Track 11: Desert Pete (2:47)
sure enough ... Billy Edd Wheeler, Bexhill Music

Oh, and as an added bonus, the CD has Blowin' in the Wind, by Bob Dylan.
(Mitigated on disc 1 by Greenback Dollar -- Hoyt Axton/Ken Ramsey)

556 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:53:36pm
557 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:54:01pm

re: #548 calcajun

No--she is scary. God--she's got more paint on her face than there is on my car and her body has been rebuilt so many times, there are no longer any original parts.

Prolly not. LOL

558 jorline  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:54:02pm

re: #534 unreconstructed rebel

Speaking of Cher, isn't it amazing what a bit of body work can do?

A little bondo and paint and she's good to go.

559 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:54:22pm
560 lobo91  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:54:23pm

re: #520 Meremortal

Lizards, I have received my offical ballot for the election. Who says we don't have choices? My ballot shows 16 presidential candidates! I can vote for parties known as:

Republican, Democrat, Constitution, Libertarian, Green, HeartQuake '08, Prohibition, Socialist Workers, Boston Tea, America's Independent, Socialism and Liberation, U.S. Pacifist, Unaffiliated, Socialist USA, Unaffiliated, and last and maybe least, Objectivist.

WOW!

I'm going to have to think about this...

I got my Colorado absentee ballot Saturday. We have 18 choices for president here.

It was tough deciding between McCain and McKinney...
///

561 SurferDoc  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:54:48pm

re: #552 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*salute*

/aw, what th' heck, I'll even salute "army" ... *snicker/grin*

That's two of us, now. Watchit!

562 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:54:59pm

re: #501 SurferDoc

I'm sorry. I never seem to be able to catch up with you and get an answer. I knew a doc (my kind of doc) that surfed (this was 1969), but he'd be a CA guy. Where are you from (if you don't mind my asking)?

563 calcajun  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:55:02pm

re: #540 CyanSnowHawk

Cher has an Adam's Apple?

No--but she has man-face and man-hands. Someone messed up her hormone therapy.

564 jorline  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:55:07pm

re: #537 buzzsawmonkey

Ann Coulter looks like Cher with a bleach job.

Now that's funny, but Cher didn't have that bobbing Adam's Apple.

565 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:55:09pm

OT Good read over at the Old War Dogs blog:

Weather Underground member Cathy Wilkerson said in an interview about the book she wrote about her deadly "adventures," that the cult's leadership used what amounted to communist "reeducation" tactics to convince its members of the righteousness of their cause and to keep them in line.

From the New York Times, "She describes self-criticism sessions led by individuals who used the jargon of psychotherapy. Many in the ranks slept on floors and survived on pennies, but the leadership enjoyed opulent creature comforts. A strict "need-to-know" policy was enforced, meaning individuals could share little information, creating a culture of paranoia.

In the interests of creating "new men and new women," ... the leadership pushed an antimonogamy policy, giving joyless parties where virtual strangers had public sex. "We threw ourselves into the possibility of remaking ourselves as more effective tools for humanity's benefit to the point of sacrificing our own humanity."

[Link: www.oldwardogs.us...]

566 yochanan  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:55:14pm

re: #544 taxfreekiller

How stupid is the two party evil money cult in Washington D.C.


The U.S.A. is sending $700 to $900 billion to the oil ticks per year.

The U.S.A. has a glut, to much clean U.S. drilled and owned natural gas,
ya, so much they are cutting back on drilling.

Your paying $3.50 to $4.00 per gal for gas.

THERE IS TO MUCH NATURAL GAS.

THIS MESSAGE BROUGHT TO YOU BY 'T-BONE PICK YOUR POCKET

k

567 doppelganglander  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:55:18pm

re: #446 lawhawk

Affordable housing doesn't look so affordable when you see what mess that all wrought. Turns out that had the feds not pushed affordable housing, prices might not have appreciated as much as they did, homes would be more affordable to more people who actually have the ability to afford them. And banks and lenders would have sufficient good credit on hand to offset whatever bad loans they incurred.

I'm so glad you said that. Making more money available does not lead to more affordability; it leads to inflation. It's the same way college tuition keeps going up because of, not in spite of, increased student financial aid.

568 semper gumbi  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:55:21pm

re: #532 opnion

Did you ever notice that Sonny & Cher sounded a lot alike?
It was a little creepy.

Cher had a deeper voice.

569 Dianna  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:56:11pm

re: #543 doppelganglander

So sorry you're still sick. Maybe it's one of those drug-resistant strains of bacteria, brought to you by yuppie moms who think their precious snowflakes need antibiotics for every sniffle.

Or maybe by my mom. I (evidently) nearly died of pneumonia just after I was brought home (my brother sneezed in my face when I was shown to him - he claims I've been avenging myself ever since). I've always been vulnerable to chest infections, and I've probably been fed enough anti-biotics to ensure that anything I get will be resistant.

Oh, well. I will get better.

Then they'll have to find yet another anti-biotic for next time.

570 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:56:11pm
571 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:56:14pm

re: #550 ggt

Is Cher a moonbat? I spoke before Congress to get them to allocate more funds to the trooops --for safety gear and stuff --I remember that.

She might be one of those 'Why do want to know my politics' celebrities. I don't think she would announce that Gov. Palin is unwelcome at her shows either.

572 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:56:20pm

re: #531 buzzsawmonkey

No, Dylan was a Village fixture for some time. I just wanted to point out that he started his odyssey to pop-iconhood from Hibbing, Minnesota, and worked Midwest coffeehouses before he ended up in the Village scene.

Ah HA! Thanks. That pre-dates the info in the article I read.

/thought I was having a senio ... uh ... where am I? what am I doing?

573 neocon hippie  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:56:30pm

The now-censored SNL skit about the financial crisis can be downloaded via bittorrent here:

[Link: www.mininova.org...]

574 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:56:42pm

re: #551 Outrider

I had been there twice since you put it up-now it's gone. Weird.

It's back up...just a server burp.

575 opnion  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:56:51pm

re: #558 jorline

A little bondo and paint and she's good to go.

When Sonny was mayor of Palm Springs he got an ordinance passed to prohibit thong bathing suits at pools.
The joke was that it was to keep Cher out of town.

576 jorline  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:57:08pm

re: #546 sparrowlake

I have a CD with some old Dylan recordings:
Blowin' in the Wind
It's All Right
It Ain't Me Babe
Just Like a Woman
Like a Rolling Stone
Tambourine Man
The Times They Are a'Changin'
I never get tired of listening to it in the car (and screeching along at the top of my lungs).
The arrogant little snot was a great poet/songwriter in his/my early days.

Great writer...just never cared for his singing.

577 soccerdad  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:57:16pm

someone over at CNN is going off the reservation. This could be a flying Pig moment.

CNN details the links between Obama and Bill Ayers

Not sure if it ever aired, but just for them to prepare it...wow. (oh wait -- perhaps is really and truly IS the clinton news network)

578 SurferDoc  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:57:28pm

re: #562 Cap'n DOC

I'm sorry. I never seem to be able to catch up with you and get an answer. I knew a doc (my kind of doc) that surfed (this was 1969), but he'd be a CA guy. Where are you from (if you don't mind my asking)?

Lol! No problem. I did answer and you must have gone. I'm in California since 1977, so "It Ain't Me, Babe" (in the spirit of the current discussion)

579 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:57:32pm

Funny thing is Sonny turned out to be a pretty good republican.

580 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:57:39pm
581 TheMatrix31  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:57:52pm

Jeez, LGF loads SO quick here @ UCLA compared to my house connection.

582 calcajun  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:58:21pm

re: #549 Wishing

And it set up million of people for failure, this is the greatest cruelty of it.

I disagree to an extent. If they got in the door of a house, it was the new owners' responsibility to formulate their own monthly budgets and plan for what will happen if the interest rates tick up. If they failed to plan, they certainly planed to fail. If it gets to the point where the government is watching our monthly spending and budgets, there's no telling what else they will be watching.

583 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:58:37pm
584 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:58:42pm

re: #555 jwb7605

You have forced me to dig up one of my Kingston Trio collection CDs.
The Very Best of The Kingston Trio (Greatest 30 Hits):
Disc 2, Track 11: Desert Pete (2:47)
sure enough ... Billy Edd Wheeler, Bexhill Music

Oh, and as an added bonus, the CD has Blowin' in the Wind, by Bob Dylan.
(Mitigated on disc 1 by Greenback Dollar -- Hoyt Axton/Ken Ramsey)

Your mitigation has forgiven you (and the Trio, as well.)
Thanks VERY much for that.
Adelita is probably my personal favorite.

585 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:58:56pm

re: #577 soccerdad

someone over at CNN is going off the reservation. This could be a flying Pig moment.

CNN details the links between Obama and Bill Ayers

Not sure if it ever aired, but just for them to prepare it...wow. (oh wait -- perhaps is really and truly IS the clinton news network)

Somebody's gonna get fi-yerd.

586 jwb7605  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:58:57pm

re: #550 ggt

Is Cher a moonbat? I spoke before Congress to get them to allocate more funds to the trooops --for safety gear and stuff --I remember that.

I remember Sonny's "speech" when he got elected and the Repubs took over the house. They gave him like 10 minutes, he took over 20, and nobody had the nerve to cut him off -- too funny.

Then he went skiing, ran into a tree, end of career. Huge loss. Seriously.

587 opnion  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:59:08pm

re: #568 semper gumbi

Cher had a deeper voice.

That's true. Thaty's why you really had to listen to figure out who was singing. 'I got you Babe" was impossible.

588 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:59:28pm

re: #578 SurferDoc

Okay. Thanks. I didn't want to fling any names. His name was Pat Sokol, and he was a guy I looked up to a great deal - and not because he surfed.

589 alegrias  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:59:31pm

re: #560 lobo91

I got my Colorado absentee ballot Saturday. We have 18 choices for president here.

It was tough deciding between McCain and McKinney...
///

* * * *
At least you can read! Many voters "voting" this year probablemente no hablan ingles!

Si Se Puede Votar Presente!

590 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 1:59:59pm

re: #577 soccerdad

someone over at CNN is going off the reservation. This could be a flying Pig moment.

CNN details the links between Obama and Bill Ayers

Not sure if it ever aired, but just for them to prepare it...wow. (oh wait -- perhaps is really and truly IS the clinton news network)

Well, either the site is getting slammed or it's gone already.

591 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:00:06pm

re: #542 jorline

Sonny was funny, but couldn't sing worth a crap.

I miss shows like Red Skelton Hour, The Smothers Brothers and Carol Burnett.

Fred Allen, Our Miss Brooks ....

592 opnion  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:00:09pm

re: #580 buzzsawmonkey

He'd already thung ath many thongs ath he wanted.

Yeth

593 Meremortal  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:00:12pm

re: #560 lobo91

I got my Colorado absentee ballot Saturday. We have 18 choices for president here.

It was tough deciding between McCain and McKinney...
///

Well hey, what about Gloria La Riva, Socialism AND Liberation! That's quite a package.

594 SurferDoc  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:00:20pm

re: #588 Cap'n DOC

Okay. Thanks. I didn't want to fling any names. His name was Pat Sokol, and he was a guy I looked up to a great deal - and not because he surfed.

I hope you locate him some day.

595 Outrider  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:00:23pm

re: #574 OldLineTexan

It's back up...just a server burp.

Ok. Thanks! Must be getting a lot of hits then.

596 onslow  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:00:38pm
597 doppelganglander  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:00:41pm

re: #569 Dianna

Or maybe by my mom. I (evidently) nearly died of pneumonia just after I was brought home (my brother sneezed in my face when I was shown to him - he claims I've been avenging myself ever since). I've always been vulnerable to chest infections, and I've probably been fed enough anti-biotics to ensure that anything I get will be resistant.

Oh, well. I will get better.

Then they'll have to find yet another anti-biotic for next time.

If nothing else, it's helped you quit smoking. Hope you're better soon.

598 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:00:58pm

re: #558 jorline

A little bondo and paint and she's good to go.

ROFLMAO!

599 calcajun  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:01:01pm

re: #560 lobo91

I got my Colorado absentee ballot Saturday. We have 18 choices for president here.

It was tough deciding between McCain and McKinney...
///

Huh. Sounds like someone is setting up a post-election challenge. You sure there are no butterfly ballots around?//

600 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:01:14pm

re: #356 alegrias

This is an opportunity to invest in America! It's patriotic and NO ONE CAN MAKE YOU invest if you don't want to.

I think we all just invested $1 trillion in mortgages of unknown value, whether we wanted to participate or not.

601 alegrias  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:01:29pm

re: #565 Pvt Bin Jammin

* * *
That's so gross. Weather Underground inititiations sounds like gang inititations for Mara Salvatrucha and MS-18 gangs in Northern Sanctuary State of Virginia.

602 yochanan  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:02:09pm

re: #587 opnion

That's true. Thaty's why you really had to listen to figure out who was singing. 'I got you Babe" was impossible.

ANN'S voice is maybe a BARATONE

603 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:02:16pm
604 calcajun  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:02:30pm

re: #591 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Fred Allen, Our Miss Brooks ....

My Mother the Car, Hogan's Heroes, anything with Maclean Stevenson...

605 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:02:44pm

Be sure and check the spin-off links for the Acorn raid story in Nevada.

Here it is at foxnews.

606 vxbush  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:02:59pm

Ah, the Carol Burnett Show. Great, great comedy.

607 Meremortal  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:03:18pm

re: #570 buzzsawmonkey

The Boston Tea and Green parties should merge into the Green Tea Party. They'd get all of the health-nut vote!


*
Even better, they should both merge with the Pacifist Party, and call it:

The Weak Tea Party

608 opnion  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:03:37pm

re: #586 jwb7605

I remember Sonny's "speech" when he got elected and the Repubs took over the house. They gave him like 10 minutes, he took over 20, and nobody had the nerve to cut him off -- too funny.

Then he went skiing, ran into a tree, end of career. Huge loss. Seriously.

His wife Mary, was appointed to & then elected to his seat.
Wasn't there some problem at the Funeral with Cher trying to act like the grieveing widow?

609 lobo91  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:03:43pm

re: #589 alegrias

* * * *
At least you can read! Many voters "voting" this year probablemente no hablan ingles!

Si Se Puede Votar Presente!

I was really glad I got an absentee ballot, too. There were so many initiatives and constitutional amendments on it that it was covered, front and back, with about 8 point text. It took me over an hour to fill it out.

610 calcajun  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:03:50pm

re: #602 yochanan

And they both look good in leather...which is real scary in the Kinks' "Lola" sort of way.

611 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:03:56pm
612 SurferDoc  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:03:58pm

re: #606 vxbush

Ah, the Carol Burnett Show. Great, great comedy.

There's a bunch of great clips on Youtube...

613 Desert Dog  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:04:05pm

re: #577 soccerdad

They are cannibals when they smell blood. I know Obama has them under a trance, kinda Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, but old habits die hard. They turned on Clinton, they can turn on "The One" as well. I don't think it will stick this time, they are all too busy sticking their fingers in their ears, smiling and singing the "I will Serve you, Obama" song.

614 Dianna  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:04:40pm

re: #582 calcajun

I disagree to an extent. If they got in the door of a house, it was the new owners' responsibility to formulate their own monthly budgets and plan for what will happen if the interest rates tick up. If they failed to plan, they certainly planed to fail. If it gets to the point where the government is watching our monthly spending and budgets, there's no telling what else they will be watching.

If you don't plan on being house-poor for the first five years, you didn't plan.

That said, it's done wonders for our cooking. My Male - always quite good on the grill - is learning the art of sauces, marinades, and soups. We eat better than most restaurant meals, and much cheaper, between my Male, and our friends Charlie and Kelly, and now our neighbor, Jay.

Life can be really, really good, if you just plan and control your budget.

615 vxbush  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:04:55pm

re: #612 SurferDoc

There's a bunch of great clips on Youtube...

It's one of the few times that I would buy a series from Time/Life or whoever is selling her shows. They are worth it.

616 yochanan  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:04:57pm

i better watch it or ann's flying butt monkies will be after my azz, anyone got some water or a flying house?

617 sparrowlake  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:05:05pm

re: #576 jorline

Great writer...just never cared for his singing.

I actually prefer Peter, Paul and Mary's recording of Blowin' in the Wind. (IIRC they catapulted him into major stardom with that cover).

618 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:05:31pm

re: #608 opnion

His wife Mary, was appointed to & then elected to his seat.
Wasn't there some problem at the Funeral with Cher trying to act like the grieveing widow?

Actually if I remember correctly, they all kinda got along.

619 SurferDoc  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:05:50pm

re: #615 vxbush

It's one of the few times that I would buy a series from Time/Life or whoever is selling her shows. They are worth it.

That show was an "event" at our house for years. Not to be missed.

620 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:06:17pm
621 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:06:42pm

re: #520 Meremortal

Lizards, I have received my offical ballot for the election. Who says we don't have choices? My ballot shows 16 presidential candidates! I can vote for parties known as:

Republican, Democrat, Constitution, Libertarian, Green, HeartQuake '08, Prohibition, Socialist Workers, Boston Tea, America's Independent, Socialism and Liberation, U.S. Pacifist, Unaffiliated, Socialist USA, Unaffiliated, and last and maybe least, Objectivist.

WOW!

I'm going to have to think about this...


(Emphasis mine)

Socialism and Liberation? Do those even go together?!? Wonder what that group's been smokin'! :D

(Well, actually, they probably know just how deceptive putting those two words together is, but some of their clueless followers probably don't...)

622 calcajun  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:06:43pm

re: #614 Dianna

I can sum our plan up as follows--Beans and lentils during the week; Steak and Roast on the week-ends.

623 vxbush  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:06:49pm

re: #619 SurferDoc

That show was an "event" at our house for years. Not to be missed.

Absolutely. Just rip-roaring funny.

624 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:08:10pm

re: #591 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Fred Allen, Our Miss Brooks ....

Ted Macks Original Amatuer Hour.

625 Meremortal  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:08:28pm

re: #621 NomadOfNorad

(Emphasis mine)

Socialism and Liberation? Do those even go together?!? Wonder what that group's been smokin'! :D

(Well, actually, they probably know just how deceptive putting those two words together is, but some of their clueless followers probably don't...)

Yep, that one has gotten a lot of attention. Talk about unintended irony.

626 jorline  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:08:46pm

re: #591 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Fred Allen, Our Miss Brooks ....

Got me there pBMB.

Now that I'm getting older I find myself enjoying the old Ted Mack's Original Amateur Hour...I look forward to the "Geritol" commercials. ;)

627 Joo-LiZ  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:08:52pm

I don't know if its been talked about yet... but Watch this Video before YouTube yanks it!

It is an SNL sketch that remarkably tears down the Democrat party, but has been pulled from the NBC website... more info here in the Newsbuster link in the link above...

628 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:09:04pm

OT: Disassociator Flashback -

Obama sued Illinois on behalf of ACORN:


75 F.3d 304

ASSOCIATION OF COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS FOR REFORM NOW
(ACORN), et al., Plaintiffs-Appellees,
v.
ILLINOIS STATE BOARD OF ELECTIONS, et al., Defendants-Appellants.

No. 95-3456.

United States Court of Appeals,
Seventh Circuit.

Submitted Nov. 16, 1995.
Decided Jan. 26, 1996.

Judson H. Miner, Jeffrey I. Cummings, Barack H. Obama, Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, Chicago, IL, for Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now...The plaintiffs had brought suit to enforce the federal "motor voter" law (National Voter Registration Act of 1993, 42 U.S.C. §§ 1973gg et seq.) against the governor and other officials of the State of Illinois, which had refused to comply with the law on the ground that it was unconstitutional.

629 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:09:13pm

re: #624 Walter L. Newton

Ted Macks Original Amatuer Hour.

Back when there were two hundred pixels on an 11 inch screen.

630 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:09:47pm

re: #601 alegrias

Yep. Doesn't WAB advocate some kind of reeducation camps as well.

631 solomonpanting  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:09:49pm

re: #507 buzzsawmonkey

Give Yoko Ono props for fully exemplifying exactly what is wrong with the "art" world.

She makes music that sounds like a rabid cat being dragged across an out of tune violin, then babbles that her work is about "totar comoonicayshun"--and if you find it ugly, annoying, empty or just plain boring then there is something wrong, not with her "comoonicayshun," but with you.

Give Barack Obama props for fully exemplifying exactly what is wrong with the Democrat Party and those who blame America for the world's problems.

He makes "friends" with those whose rants sound like rabid anti-American communists and terrorists dragged across the works of Marx and Mohammed, then babbles that his game is all about "hope and change"--and if you find it ugly, vile, empty or just plain destructive then there is something wrong, not with his vision of "hope and change," with you, you racist.

632 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:10:01pm

Olmert wins no firm pledge from Russia on arms sales to Iran, Syria

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Now there is a shocker. A lame duck, corrupt, disgraced, inept, and hated Prime Minister wastes fuel and air on fool's trip to Russia. Oh, yeah and Putin refused to see him. Well I guess that speaks well of Putin?

633 jwb7605  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:10:09pm

re: #626 jorline

Got me there pBMB.

Now that I'm getting older I find myself enjoying the old Ted Mack's Original Amateur Hour...I look forward to the "Geritol" commercials. ;)

I was personally fond of "Your Hit Parade".
Also have a couple of those CD's. Buried, but ...

634 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:10:24pm

re: #626 jorline

Got me there pBMB.

Now that I'm getting older I find myself enjoying the old Ted Mack's Original Amateur Hour...I look forward to the "Geritol" commercials. ;)

Freaky. I just mentioned that in 624. I actually send an application in to the show. I wanted to play my accordion on his show, as if he didn't have enough accordion players. It would have been a step up from playing on the subway.

635 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:10:57pm
636 lobo91  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:11:03pm

re: #620 taxfreekiller

the ACORN spy tfk has in New Mexico says the leaders took a pickup load of stuff out of the main office last week end, they used one of his friends truck, he does not know what it was but only the big bosses did the move.

Does ACORN still have an office in the basement at the SUB at UNM? They did when I was there in the late '90s. I always thought that was strange.

637 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:11:30pm
638 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:11:38pm

Time to go

639 SurferDoc  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:11:41pm

re: #633 jwb7605

I was personally fond of "Your Hit Parade".
Also have a couple of those CD's. Buried, but ...

Snookie Lanson--there's a name that doesn't come up very often. ;)

640 solomonpanting  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:11:47pm

re: #635 buzzsawmonkey

Good parallel.

Couldn't have done it without you.

641 Meremortal  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:12:02pm

Meremortal Ballot update:

Right now I'm laughing maniacally as I vote all the judges out of office.

642 jorline  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:12:10pm

re: #624 Walter L. Newton

Ted Macks Original Amatuer Hour.

LOL...see my #626...GMTA

643 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:12:15pm

re: #624 Walter L. Newton

re: #591 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Fred Allen, Our Miss Brooks ....

Ted Macks Original Amatuer Hour.

Oog's Live Re-enactments Of Today's Mammoth Hunt...

(now that's going way, way back)

644 Dianna  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:12:31pm

re: #622 calcajun

I can sum our plan up as follows--Beans and lentils during the week; Steak and Roast on the week-ends.

Not bad; just watch the lentils issue - you can build up some nasty toxicities if you're not careful.

I do a killer beef stew that stretches a half-pound of cheap meat a very long way. Between that and a solid wheat bread, we do very well.

645 jwb7605  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:12:44pm

re: #629 unreconstructed rebel

Back when there were two hundred pixels on an 11 inch screen.

But each pixel was able to be white, some shade of nauseating green, or black. And the viewable screen was round.
I remember that because I had the overlay for the Tom Terrific (and his mighty dog Manfred) cartoon program.

646 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:12:45pm
647 Ben Hur  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:12:50pm
"Tony Romo is not registered to vote in the state of Nevada, and anybody trying to pose as Terrell Owens won't be able to cast a ballot on Nov. 4,"

[Link: elections.foxnews.com...]

648 Eowyn2  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:12:56pm

re: #25 Walter L. Newton

No, so don't start posting spoilers please!

it isnt even playing yet here.

really disappointed on saturday.

649 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:12:56pm

re: #606 vxbush

Ah, the Carol Burnett Show. Great, great comedy.

I LOVED that show! I used to watch it with my parents.

650 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:13:03pm

re: #565 Pvt Bin Jammin

OT Good read over at the Old War Dogs blog:

Weather Underground member Cathy Wilkerson said in an interview about the book she wrote about her deadly "adventures," that the cult's leadership used what amounted to communist "reeducation" tactics to convince its members of the righteousness of their cause and to keep them in line.

From the New York Times, "She describes self-criticism sessions led by individuals who used the jargon of psychotherapy. Many in the ranks slept on floors and survived on pennies, but the leadership enjoyed opulent creature comforts. A strict "need-to-know" policy was enforced, meaning individuals could share little information, creating a culture of paranoia.

In the interests of creating "new men and new women," ... the leadership pushed an antimonogamy policy, giving joyless parties where virtual strangers had public sex. "We threw ourselves into the possibility of remaking ourselves as more effective tools for humanity's benefit to the point of sacrificing our own humanity."

[Link: www.oldwardogs.us...]

Typical cult, but without the kool-aid.
Surprised they didn't go to suicide bombers.

651 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:13:25pm
Frank Gaffney

[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]

Thanks to the intrepid Stanley Kurtz, we also have learned of Mr. Obama's longstanding ties to another fixture of the radical left, one emblematic of its enmity toward an America seen as oppressive and racist: the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (better known as ACORN). Mr. Obama trained ACORN personnel, worked with its activists on the group's (often problematic) voter-registration efforts and consulted with its most aggressive operatives. Pre-eminent among the latter has been one Madeline Talbott.

Mr. Obama also secured, through his position on the Woods Fund and Chicago Annenberg Challenge boards (he served on the former with Bill Ayers), funding for ACORN's intimidation campaigns against banks that failed to make subprime style loans to otherwise ineligible would-be homeowners. As Mr. Kurtz put it in the New York Post ([Link: www.nypost.com...] "It would be tough to find an 'on the ground' community organizer more closely tied to the subprime-mortgage fiasco than Madeline Talbott. And no one has been more supportive of Madeline Talbott than Barack Obama."

To the extent that the economic effects of the subprime meltdown makes Charles Keating's S&L raid on the Treasury look like a church social, Mr. Obama should be careful about casting stones in that direction.

652 WitchDoctor  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:13:55pm

re: #373 OldLineTexan

Dang, now that was funny. A 1,000 upticks for you sir!

653 SurferDoc  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:13:59pm

re: #645 jwb7605

But each pixel was able to be white, some shade of nauseating green, or black. And the viewable screen was round.
I remember that because I had the overlay for the Tom Terrific (and his mighty dog Manfred) cartoon program.

"Winky Dink and You"

654 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:14:06pm

re: #647 Ben Hur

[Link: elections.foxnews.com...]

Who knew Terrell Owens voted?

655 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:14:15pm
656 jorline  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:14:23pm

re: #634 Walter L. Newton

Freaky. I just mentioned that in 624. I actually send an application in to the show. I wanted to play my accordion on his show, as if he didn't have enough accordion players. It would have been a step up from playing on the subway.

ROFLMAO...had you worn your kilt you would have been a shoe-in Walter.

657 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:14:27pm

re: #624 Walter L. Newton

Ted Macks Original Amatuer Hour.

Then we got cruel with the Gong Show and crueler with American Idol. (Saw the Amateur Hour, but neither of the others)

658 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:14:43pm

re: #651 karmic_inquisitor

bad link try this [Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]

659 Dianna  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:14:50pm

re: #628 karmic_inquisitor

Well done!

Never let this go down the memory hole!

660 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:15:11pm

re: #643 Occasional Reader

Oog's Live Re-enactments Of Today's Mammoth Hunt... (now that's going way, way back)

I remember that. Oog would come over to your cave, and stick his head in that carved stone TV and re-enact the hunt. And then he would move on to the next cave. Crazy dude, that Oog.

661 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:15:27pm
662 alegrias  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:15:32pm

re: #600 Son of the Black Dog

I think we all just invested $1 trillion in mortgages of unknown value, whether we wanted to participate or not.

* * * *
Remember more than half of America doesn't pay taxes, so not ALL Americans "helped" out financially.

Besides, I like to think we just showed Russia we can outspend them to defend our country, the way Reagan spent billions on Star Wars, forcing Russia to bankrupt itself trying to keep up with us.

663 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:15:42pm
664 Meremortal  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:15:43pm

re: #624 Walter L. Newton

Ted Macks Original Amatuer Hour.

The Three Stooges
Gary Moore
Sid Ceaser and Imogene Coca

665 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:16:04pm

re: #596 onslow

Did someone mention trannies?

The third one from the left has "Barack" ears. One of them is peeking out through "her" hair.

666 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:16:26pm

re: #623 vxbush

Absolutely. Just rip-roaring funny.

The outtakes were great too...

667 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:16:28pm

re: #645 jwb7605

But each pixel was able to be white, some shade of nauseating green, or black. And the viewable screen was round.
I remember that because I had the overlay for the Tom Terrific (and his mighty dog Manfred) cartoon program.

Are you talking about the 3 color overlay? I had one too.

668 sparrowlake  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:16:48pm
669 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:16:50pm

re: #643 Occasional Reader

Oog's Live Re-enactments Of Today's Mammoth Hunt...

(now that's going way, way back)

Wasn't that Mutual of Caveman's Wild Kingdom?

670 jorline  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:17:31pm

re: #657 Kosh's Shadow

Then we got cruel with the Gong Show and crueler with American Idol. (Saw the Amateur Hour, but neither of the others)

Loved the Gong Show.

671 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:17:42pm

re: #650 Kosh's Shadow
Typical cult, but without the kool-aid.
Surprised they didn't go to suicide bombers.

Amen to that. No wonder Dohrn spoke about the Sharon Tate murder. Sickos, all.

672 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:17:43pm

re: #664 Meremortal

The Three Stooges
Gary Moore
Sid Ceaser and Imogene Coca

My favorite Coca movie was "Sleepy Lagoon." I love the chase throught the fun house at the end.

673 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:17:55pm

re: #620 taxfreekiller

the ACORN spy tfk has in New Mexico says the leaders took a pickup load of stuff out of the main office last week end, they used one of his friends truck, he does not know what it was but only the big bosses did the move.

That is VERRRRRRYYYYY interesting!

674 alegrias  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:18:13pm

re: #575 opnion

When Sonny was mayor of Palm Springs he got an ordinance passed to prohibit thong bathing suits at pools.
The joke was that it was to keep Cher out of town.

* * *
Yet Cher cried at Sonny Bono's funeral like she meant it.

They were great back in the day, and yes, my girlfriends watched their show every week. It was clean fun considering the times.

675 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:18:34pm

Israeli diplomats' kids to study on Yom Kippur
It is true that we would expect that on such a holy day, constituting such an important symbol for the Jewish nation, emissaries would refrain from sending their children to foreign schools,” said the official.

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Man, I bet those kids are pissed!

676 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:18:36pm
677 Almostout  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:18:39pm

Has anybody seen this story anywhere else?


US author of anti-Obama book detained in Kenya

NAIROBI
Petroleumworld.com, October 07, 2008

The American author of a best-selling, controversial book blasting White House hopeful Barack Obama was detained Tuesday by security officials in Kenya, police said.

Jerome Corsi "has been detained and he is currently being held at the immigration office" in Nairobi, a top police official told AFP on condition of anonymity.

Corsi was to unveil "The Obama Nation" to the Kenyan public at a Nairobi hotel.

Obama's father, now deceased, was Kenyan and the US senator running for president enjoys wide support in East Africa.

In a press release distributed earlier this week, Corsi announced he would "expose deep secret ties between between US Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama and a section of the Kenyan government leaders."

He was also to detail Kenyan leaders' "connections to certain sectoral groups in Kenya and a subsequent plot to be executed in Kenya should Sen. Obama win the American preisdency," the release said.

The police official denied Corsi's detention was linked to the contents of his book.

"Just like anybody else, we are concerned with his immigration papers. We have nothing to do with the book or whoever it's about. It's about the law of Kenya," he said.

Corsi made his name by co-authoring "Unfit for Command," which maligned 2004 Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry's Vietnam War record and is believed to have contributed to his defeat by President George W. Bush.

Corsi's book on Obama, subtitled "Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality," was released on August 1.

The book's publisher, Threshold Editions, said it examined "why the extreme leftism of an Obama presidency would leave the United States weakened, diminished and divided, why Obama must be defeated -- and how he can be."

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678 Eowyn2  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:18:41pm

re: #570 buzzsawmonkey

The Boston Tea and Green parties should merge into the Green Tea Party. They'd get all of the health-nut vote!

heartquake08?

679 Dianna  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:18:50pm

re: #650 Kosh's Shadow

He quotes "noquarter" blog. That's not a reliable source.

680 SurferDoc  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:19:15pm

re: #669 Kosh's Shadow

Wasn't that Mutual of Caveman's Wild Kingdom?

Ziv had the re-reruns.

681 jwb7605  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:19:38pm

re: #667 Walter L. Newton

Are you talking about the 3 color overlay? I had one too.

I don't think so ... this was a piece of plastic that came with 'erasable' markers (crayons, or seemed to be). When Tom got into a bind like needing to climb up a ravine wall, you were supposed to draw a ladder for him. Things like that.

He always missed my steps and stepped on thin air.
Manfred just jumped the wall (Mighty dog, that Manfred).

682 jorline  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:19:38pm

re: #661 ploome hineni

474 jorline

I fell the same about Bruce Springsteen

Hey, ploome. I could handle Springsteen, but not since he came out of the closest with his political views.

683 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:19:49pm

re: #525 Ben Hur

Ironic that if not for a rain storm, Arizona would've home to what is Hollywood today.

Interesting! What's the whole story behind that one?

684 Meremortal  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:20:07pm

re: #672 Walter L. Newton

My favorite Coca movie was "Sleepy Lagoon." I love the chase throught the fun house at the end.

Loved her, and she and Cid were a great comedic couple. And then there was, "Say good night, Gracie."

685 jacksontn  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:20:20pm

Obama and Ayers attend panel November 1997:

Ayers says:

One hundred years later, the system is “overcrowded, under-funded, over-centralized and racist,” Ayers said.

[Link: web.archive.org...]

686 vxbush  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:20:41pm

Like the Dentist Sketch. Oh. my.

687 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:20:50pm

re: #624 Walter L. Newton

Ted Macks Original Amatuer Hour.

Believe it or not, I distinctly remember "Jambalaya" and "Paper Moon" being sung on the Hit Parade.

The neighbors' TV screen was probably all of 6 inches in diameter.

688 bulwrk  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:21:36pm

re: #575 opnion


When Sonny was mayor of Palm Springs he got an ordinance passed to prohibit thong bathing suits at pools.
The joke was that it was to keep Cher out of town.


Funny thing was that Palm Springs is a big gay resort get away and it was aimed more at men wearing thongs.

689 jwb7605  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:21:51pm

re: #687 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Believe it or not, I distinctly remember "Jambalaya" and "Paper Moon" being sung on the Hit Parade.

The neighbors' TV screen was probably all of 6 inches in diameter.

With this really pretty lady in a bathing suit swinging on the paper moon.
I was too young to appreciate it at the time.

690 jacksontn  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:21:57pm

re: #685 jacksontn

Obama and Ayers attend panel November 1997:

Ayers says:

One hundred years later, the system is “overcrowded, under-funded, over-centralized and racist,” Ayers said.

[Link: web.archive.org...]

Oh, yeah, there were 4 panelists so I guess it was a little too crowded for Obama to notice Ayers.

691 alegrias  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:22:01pm

re: #622 calcajun

I can sum our plan up as follows--Beans and lentils during the week; Steak and Roast on the week-ends.

* * *
White Beans and Escarole, cooked with plenty of bacon, onion and garlic, are to die for.

I love soups made from legumes of all kinds. Cuban Black Bean soup, German Lentil soup with Frankfurters, Spanish Garbanzo cocido which is related to jewish bean dishes....

692 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:22:05pm

re: #627 Joo-LiZ

I don't know if its been talked about yet... but Watch this Video before YouTube yanks it!

It is an SNL sketch that remarkably tears down the Democrat party, but has been pulled from the NBC website... more info here in the Newsbuster link in the link above...

Is it up on LiveLeak yet? (If not, it needs to be, post haste!)

693 SurferDoc  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:22:09pm

re: #686 vxbush

Like the Dentist Sketch. Oh. my.

Scroll down on the right there to Tim Conway's Elephant Story.

694 Dianna  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:22:17pm

re: #657 Kosh's Shadow

It kills me that Danny Elfman and co. made their first public appearance on the Gong Show (as The Mystic Knights of the Oingo-Boingo).

They were gonged, but were playing so loud that they couldn't hear it.

Yes, they were that bad. Even the memory of my mad 80's crush on Danny Elfman cannot make me say anything except, "That was excruciating."

695 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:22:24pm

re: #681 jwb7605

I don't think so ... this was a piece of plastic that came with 'erasable' markers (crayons, or seemed to be). When Tom got into a bind like needing to climb up a ravine wall, you were supposed to draw a ladder for him. Things like that.

He always missed my steps and stepped on thin air.
Manfred just jumped the wall (Mighty dog, that Manfred).

Ok, now I remember, and yes, I had that. The 3 color overlay was some cheap-assed thing that they sold in magazines and comic books, designed to make a black and white tv have a little color.

It was divided into three color bands. Green on the bottom, light brown in the middle and blue on the top.

I guess they took the lowest common denominator on that arrangement. Grass, neutral colors and sky.

696 Egfrow  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:22:34pm

Talk the the Hand! BDS syndrome from liberals have blinded them to the path they have chosen. They would not hear nor even acknowledge truth because of their intense hatred and bias for a misunderstood man. They their party before America. Now, their See No Evil approach to their own behavior has put our entire nation in jeoprody. The County is divided racially, economically, and, politically just has Karl Marx had originally intended. It only took 160 years. This election will seal the deal unless we unify.

697 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:22:51pm

re: #680 SurferDoc

Ziv had the re-reruns.

Ziv (tv production company, made Sea Hunt, and some other shows) was a distant relative of mine. Met that part of the family once, somewhere way out in Beverly Hills, and no, I didn't get any of their money.

698 jorline  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:23:02pm

re: #686 vxbush

Like the Dentist Sketch. Oh. my.

That was great...nothing like Tim Conway and Harvey Korman.

699 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:23:06pm

re: #676 buzzsawmonkey

Interesting and not surprising. A couple of our gay friends took us to hear the Los Angeles Gay Men's Chorus this summer. Our two friends, one of whom is a contributor, was disappointed. The show was all about the Gay Rights Movement, the antiwar movement, etc.

700 CapeCoddah  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:23:08pm

Good afternoon all! Anyone see this yet? The author of "Obama Nation" critical of Obama was immediately deported from Kenya when he went to launch the book there. Because of the book.
[Link: www.comcast.net...]

701 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:23:08pm

Syria moved tank units up to the Lebanese Beqaa Valley border Tuesday, Oct. 7. DEBKAfile’s military sources report that this is Damascus’ second troop movement on the Lebanese border. For three weeks, commando units have been poised on the North Lebanese border. In the first deployment, Syrian tanks and armored vehicles were kept some 3-10 km to the rear of frontline commando forces. In the second, which is much closer to the Israeli border, armor and tanks have been deployed at the front.
These military movements sent Israeli defense minister Ehud Barak on an unannounced visit Tuesday to check the state of readiness of the IDF’s dispositions on the Syrian and Lebanese border barriers. He cautioned the outpost commanders to exercise maximum vigilance in the coming days. The border seems quiet, he said, but officers must to take care never to permit a repeat of the Yom Kippur exactly 35 years ago when Israel was caught napping by the Syrian invasion.
Our sources report that Washington, Jerusalem and Beirut are bracing for the possibility that Damascus will seize the moment of the total shutdown in Israel for 25 hours from Wednesday afternoon, Oct. 8, to Thursday night, Oct. 9, for Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement) and launch its military forces against northern Lebanon or the Golan.

Well it's happened before!

702 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:23:59pm

re: #587 opnion

That's true. Thaty's why you really had to listen to figure out who was singing. 'I got you Babe" was impossible.


I think Bob Dylan and Tom Petty were brothers seperated at birth..
I can hear Dylan singing ' hey don't come around here no more'

703 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:23:59pm
704 Dianna  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:24:05pm

re: #661 ploome hineni

474 jorline

I fell the same about Bruce Springsteen

One song: Thunder Road. I forgave him immense sins for that song.

705 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:24:28pm

re: #684 Meremortal

Loved her, and she and Cid were a great comedic couple. And then there was, "Say good night, Gracie."

Did you see Frank Gorshen (the impersonator, and also the Riddler in Batman TV series) when he was in town in the one man show "Good Night, Gracie?"

Blew my socks off. He had me in tears by the end of the show.

706 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:24:46pm

re: #697 Kosh's Shadow

made Sea Hunt

"Lloyd Bridges es muy macho."

707 loppyd  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:24:51pm

Obama spokesman - um, yeah he did continue to work with Ayers after he "found out" about him being an unrepentant terrorist

Start at 0:39.

BTW, it's Mark Halperin asking the questions. Yes, I said Mark Halperin.

708 jorline  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:26:24pm

First color TV show I saw was Flipper...everyone was blown away...WOW look at that color!

709 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:26:28pm

re: #689 jwb7605

With this really pretty lady in a bathing suit swinging on the paper moon.
I was too young to appreciate it at the time.

That was undoubtedly later than the one I remember. This one was during the first half of the Korean War.

710 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:26:34pm

re: #706 Occasional Reader

"Lloyd Bridges es muy macho."

Not in Hot Shots (or was that Hot Shots Part Deux?)
But he was great in it.

711 CapeCoddah  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:26:43pm

Hey loppy, how 'bout that bottom of the 9th last night!

712 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:26:50pm
713 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:26:51pm
714 Ben Hur  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:26:55pm
715 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:26:57pm

re: #706 Occasional Reader

"Lloyd Bridges es muy macho."

And yes, I remember the sketch that came from.

716 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:26:59pm

re: #704 Dianna

One song: Thunder Road. I forgave him immense sins for that song.

I like practically all of The Wild, The Innocent & The E Street Shuffle, and Greetings From Asbury Park, NJ.

Also the song "Jungleland".

717 calcajun  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:27:03pm

re: #644 Dianna

I try to avoid the lentils. Don't like'em. But, they're cheap.

We get the ground chuck from the local butcher and make killer burgers. I will never trust the pre-packaged ground meat again. Then, there is the brisket and the smoker. It takes 24 hours, but its' worth it. Besides, one 13lb brisket will provide enough to feed the family--lunch and dinner for 2 days.

You can live well within your means, and live well AND within your means.

718 hackd  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:27:08pm

[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]

After Bailout, AIG Executives Head to Resort
UPDATED: 11:31 a.m.

Less than a week after the federal government offered an $85 billion bailout to insurance giant AIG, the company held a week-long retreat for its executives at the luxury St. Regis Resort in Monarch Beach, Calif., running up a tab of $440,000, Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) said today at the the opening of a House committee hearing about the near-failure of the insurance giant.

Showing a photograph of the resort, Waxman said the executives spent $200,000 for rooms, $150,000 for meals and $23,000 for the spa.

"Less than a week after the taxpayers rescued AIG, company executives could be found wining and dining at one of the most exclusive resorts in the nation," Waxman said. "We will ask whether any of this makes sense. "


Don't know if it's been posted yet.. it's a Wapo article, granted .. but if true i have only one thing to say..

WTF?

719 jorline  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:27:17pm

re: #711 CapeCoddah

Hey loppy, how 'bout that bottom of the 9th last night!

Nice finish.

720 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:27:25pm

re: #704 Dianna

One song: Thunder Road. I forgave him immense sins for that song.

"The River" is a work of art. As was "The Ghost of Tom Joad". And I agree that "Darkness on the Edge of Town" is a classic. But I avoid him, like someone else said, now that he is all politics and pronouncements.

721 UFO TOFU  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:27:32pm

OT
Anyone familiar with this web site. If so, what do you think of it?
Obama's Foreign Policy Stance

722 alegrias  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:27:52pm

Rudy Giuliani was fantastic this morning on the criminality of William Ayers. Giuliani pulled no punches in part because Ayers friends' bombed New York City police during their heyday.

And of course the New York Times of September 11, 2001 featured unrepentant Ayers bragging about bombing America.

Giuliani was on Fox & Friends on Fox News Cable this morning. Love him~

723 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:28:02pm

re: #702 HoosierHoops

I think Bob Dylan and Tom Petty were brothers seperated at birth..
I can hear Dylan singing ' hey don't come around here no more'

I like some Dylan and most Petty. "Southern Accents" is one of my favorite albums.

724 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:28:17pm

re: #689 jwb7605

With this really pretty lady in a bathing suit swinging on the paper moon.
I was too young to appreciate it at the time.

Were you old enough to get the pubescent hots for Annette Funicello?

725 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:28:27pm

re: #708 jorline

First color TV show I saw was Flipper...everyone was blown away...WOW look at that color!

We didn't get a color TV until I was in college. But I saw a Star Trek (the one with the giant paramecium that tried to swallow the Enterprise) at a friend's house.

Flipper? Lassie! You're all wet!

726 calcajun  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:29:33pm

re: #699 Pvt Bin Jammin

Any sopranos? ////

Seriously, this is a case of shut up and sing.

When I was much younger, I laughed at MASH when it was on CBS. My Dad got tired of the political humor and stopped watching it in 75-76. I caught some reruns recently and saw, now, why my Dad gave up on it. You do learn and change as you get older.

727 alegrias  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:29:45pm

re: #712 taxfreekiller

McCain

If Obama starts any of the class war fare shit about poor people being the only ones who went to Vietnam due to the draft ect. , ask him to take the time later to check out Sgt. David Ives Mixter.

like that do not back down one inch

* * * *
Remember they bragged that Joe Biden was your man if you wanted to fight the class warfare.

Terrorist Ayers the trustfunded class warrior. Not my kind of American.

728 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:29:55pm

re: #714 Ben Hur

I have a craving for corn.

Ain't gonna touch that... nope.. ain't gonna do it... golly gee, doggone it... that's cute.

729 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:29:58pm

re: #720 OldLineTexan

"The River" is a work of art. As was "The Ghost of Tom Joad". And I agree that "Darkness on the Edge of Town" is a classic. But I avoid him, like someone else said, now that he is all politics and pronouncements.

Of course, The Ghost of Tom Joad is just full of politics, it is just musically good as well. But I haven't been able to listen to it for a while.

730 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:29:58pm

re: #620 taxfreekiller

the ACORN spy tfk has in New Mexico says the leaders took a pickup load of stuff out of the main office last week end, they used one of his friends truck, he does not know what it was but only the big bosses did the move.

The Secretary of State of NM is not to be trusted. When she was a county clerk, she hired a guy who worked in the clerk's office of a different county until he was fired for embezzling $10,000. And she tried to hire a relative of Tom Udall to oversee this election. He's running for Senate against a good conservative, Steve Pearce.

731 jwb7605  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:30:16pm

re: #709 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That was undoubtedly later than the one I remember. This one was during the first half of the Korean War.

We didn't get TV until the Korean war ended, so you'd be right on that one.

732 calcajun  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:30:36pm

re: #721 UFO TOFU

Obama's Foreign Policy Stance
?

How about, "Not in the Face!"

733 Ben Hur  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:30:38pm

re: #683 NomadOfNorad

Interesting! What's the whole story behind that one?

I took a history of film class once and the prof said that when some movie studio were making there move out west, they intended to stop and set up shop in Tuscon (iirc).

When they got there, there was a huge rainstorm so they loaded up their gear and continued onto the next stop- LA (Hollywood).

734 ggt  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:30:40pm

Have a great afternoon all!

735 SurferDoc  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:30:48pm

re: #706 Occasional Reader

"Lloyd Bridges es muy macho."

"...and then it happened"

736 jorline  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:31:04pm

re: #725 Kosh's Shadow

We didn't get a color TV until I was in college. But I saw a Star Trek (the one with the giant paramecium that tried to swallow the Enterprise) at a friend's house.

Flipper? Lassie! You're all wet!

LOL...it was the 60's and good family entertainment. Besides with the new color TV the blue water in Flipper was better than Lassie running through a field.

737 alegrias  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:31:22pm

re: #717 calcajun

I try to avoid the lentils. Don't like'em. But, they're cheap.

We get the ground chuck from the local butcher and make killer burgers. I will never trust the pre-packaged ground meat again. Then, there is the brisket and the smoker. It takes 24 hours, but its' worth it. Besides, one 13lb brisket will provide enough to feed the family--lunch and dinner for 2 days.

You can live well within your means, and live well AND within your means.

* * *
And legumes are great for diabetics and people watching their waistlines. JLegumes of all kinds are super, inexpensive health foods.

738 Dianna  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:31:53pm

re: #706 Occasional Reader

"Lloyd Bridges es muy macho."

That sketch led to my friend Caulen's all-time favorite story: he was turning a piece of rosewood on his lathe, feeling all buff and macho "Quien es mas macho?", when the blade hit a knot or something, and the block of rosewood exploded.

Caulen was crouched against the wall, bleeding from a cut above his eye (he had the divot mark to his dying day), saying, "The lathe! The lathe es mas macho!"

739 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:31:54pm

re: #731 jwb7605

We didn't get TV until the Korean war ended, so you'd be right on that one.

Nonsense! Then how did President FDR give his televised address after the market crash in 1929?!

740 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:32:38pm

re: #706 Occasional Reader

"Lloyd Bridges es muy macho."

"Quien es mas macho? Lloyd Bridges, o Ricardo Montalban?"

741 alegrias  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:32:54pm

re: #739 Occasional Reader

Nonsense! Then how did President FDR give his televised address after the market crash in 1929?!


* * *
OR, there you go again, pointing out the LIES of Joe Biden, plagiarizer in Chief.

742 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:33:00pm
743 jwb7605  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:33:08pm

re: #739 Occasional Reader

Nonsense! Then how did President FDR give his televised address after the market crash in 1929?!

We bought Roosevelt's used unit in 1953.
//

744 SurferDoc  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:33:14pm

re: #740 Ward Cleaver

"Quien es mas macho? Lloyd Bridges, o Ricardo Montalban?"

Ricardo es mas macho! Mucho mas!

745 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:33:22pm

re: #740 Ward Cleaver

"Quien es mas macho? Lloyd Bridges, o Ricardo Montalban?"

Kirk Douglas

746 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:33:27pm

re: #741 alegrias

* * *
OR, there you go again, pointing out the LIES of Joe Biden, plagiarizer in Chief.

Joe Biden no es muy macho.

747 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:33:44pm

re: #729 Kosh's Shadow

Of course, The Ghost of Tom Joad is just full of politics, it is just musically good as well. But I haven't been able to listen to it for a while.

I can handle politics in music, even lefty politics, as long as I do not have to hear pointed BDS references in it.

So, yes, the song about Tom is your typical protest stuff, BUT there is a haunting quality to it and it doesn't have a chorus of "Bush is da debbil" in the background.

748 Dianna  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:33:57pm

re: #717 calcajun

I can't upding you, for some reason, so I'll just say, I agree!

749 alegrias  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:34:20pm

re: #740 Ward Cleaver

"Quien es mas macho? Lloyd Bridges, o Ricardo Montalban?"

* * *
Esther Williams, Montalban's high diving swimming movie star wife was probably fitter than both those guys.

750 SurferDoc  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:34:21pm

re: #746 Occasional Reader

Joe Biden no es muy macho.

Joe Biden es un puto.

751 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:34:41pm

Okay, "quién es más macho?" brings us to today's thought experiment:

Who would win in a three-way, no-weapons-allowed fight between James Bond, Jason Bourne, and Hannibal Lecter?

752 CapeCoddah  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:34:53pm

re: #740 Ward Cleaver

"Quien es mas macho? Lloyd Bridges, o Ricardo Montalban?"

Neither, It was Yul Brynner!

753 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:34:54pm

re: #732 calcajun


Obama's Foreign Policy Stance
?

How about, "Not in the Face!"

I bet it's a wide stance.

754 FrogMarch  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:34:58pm

re: #22 alegrias

Have you all seen "An American Carol" with a few of your closest friends & family yet?

I saw it on Sunday. I thought it was great. Perfect Lizard movie.

755 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:35:07pm

re: #703 ploome hineni

Springsten is a plodder

nothing special about his music at all...still belongs in a garage


Oh come on Ploome.. I'll bet when the song 'dancing in the dark' is on you slip off your shoes and dance in the living room..Don't you?
Come on Ploome..the truth will set you free!
/hehehe
* running*

756 alegrias  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:35:12pm

re: #746 Occasional Reader

Joe Biden no es muy macho.


* * **
Pero,
Joe Biden es muy mentiroso!

757 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:35:50pm
758 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:36:05pm

re: #751 Occasional Reader

Okay, "quién es más macho?" brings us to today's thought experiment:

Who would win in a three-way, no-weapons-allowed fight between James Bond, Jason Bourne, and Hannibal Lecter?

Well, Lecter could probably clean up the best when it was over.

759 alegrias  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:36:09pm

re: #752 CapeCoddah

Neither, It was Yul Brynner!

* * *
So let it be written, so let it be done!~

760 KingKenrod  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:36:21pm

re: #718 hackd

[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]


Don't know if it's been posted yet.. it's a Wapo article, granted .. but if true i have only one thing to say..

WTF?

I have to say WTF too, but a few additional considerations...

Is Waxman pointing this out because he's playing the appropriate role of corporate watchdog (or watchhog in Waxman's case), or does he maybe want to help his party by playing the "hate the rich" class warfare card?

I'd like to hear about some of the taxpayer funded resorts Waxman has been on.

Also, the $440,000 didn't evaporate into thin air...it went to pay the salaries and taxes and suppliers of the resort. Since the money the Feds loaned to AIG is (hopefully) going to be repaid, it's not exactly taxpayer money, is it?

761 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:36:26pm

re: #750 SurferDoc

Joe Biden es un puto.

Cómo que "puto"?! El, aliado con los franceses, echó a los de Hizballah de Líbano, cabrón!

762 SurferDoc  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:36:48pm

Jason Bourne FTW.

BTW:Unless we are ordering food, I just ran out of Spanish.

763 UFO TOFU  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:37:15pm

re: #751 Occasional Reader
Bond. Hands down. I once saw him outrun multiple bad guys on snow skis while being fired at with automatic weapons.

764 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:37:27pm

re: #760 KingKenrod

I have to say WTF too, but a few additional considerations...

Is Waxman pointing this out because he's playing the appropriate role of corporate watchdog (or watchhog in Waxman's case), or does he maybe want to help his party by playing the "hate the rich" class warfare card?

I'd like to hear about some of the taxpayer funded resorts Waxman has been on.

Also, the $440,000 didn't evaporate into thin air...it went to pay the salaries and taxes and suppliers of the resort. Since the money the Feds loaned to AIG is (hopefully) going to be repaid, it's not exactly taxpayer money, is it?

I'm afraid I'm on Waxman's side.

Those dips should have their retreat sitting in sackcloth and ashes eating from the Maricopa County Jail menu.

765 alegrias  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:37:36pm

re: #754 FrogMarch

I saw it on Sunday. I thought it was great. Perfect Lizard movie.

* * *
Great, thanks, I will definitely see "An American Carol" after the debate, tomorrow for sure.

766 CapeCoddah  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:37:40pm

re: #759 alegrias

* * *
So let it be written, so let it be done!~

Lord, he was a man!

767 loppyd  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:37:44pm

re: #751 Occasional Reader

Okay, "quién es más macho?" brings us to today's thought experiment:

Who would win in a three-way, no-weapons-allowed fight between James Bond, Jason Bourne, and Hannibal Lecter?

Bourne.

768 Alouette  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:37:59pm

re: #756 alegrias

* * **
Pero,
Joe Biden es muy mentiroso!

מה כל זה? אני לא מדברת ספרדית

769 Ben Hur  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:38:37pm

re: #751 Occasional Reader

Okay, "quién es más macho?" brings us to today's thought experiment:

Who would win in a three-way, no-weapons-allowed fight between James Bond, Jason Bourne, and Hannibal Lecter?

cockfight?

And with that!

BBL!

770 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:38:52pm

re: #742 karmic_inquisitor

Thousands of dead people registered to vote in Connecticut.

Lots of good comments there.

771 calcajun  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:39:05pm

re: #738 Dianna

That sketch led to my friend Caulen's all-time favorite story: he was turning a piece of rosewood on his lathe, feeling all buff and macho "Quien es mas macho?", when the blade hit a knot or something, and the block of rosewood exploded.

Caulen was crouched against the wall, bleeding from a cut above his eye (he had the divot mark to his dying day), saying, "The lathe! The lathe es mas macho!"

The Saturday Night Live Mexican game show, "Quien es mas macho" Fernardo Lamas et Ricardo Montalban?

772 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:39:21pm

re: #769 Ben Hur

cockfight?

And with that!

BBL!

I wager (no pun intended) that I'm the only person on this thread who's actually been to a cockfight.

773 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:39:34pm
774 FrogMarch  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:39:45pm

re: #24 Outrider

ACORN office in Vegas raided in voter-fraud probe
Nevada state authorities are raiding the Las Vegas headquarters of an organization that works to get low-income people to vote.

A Nevada secretary of state's office spokesman said Tuesday that investigators are looking for evidence of voter fraud at the office of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, also called ACORN.

No one was at the ACORN office when state agents arrived with a search warrant and began carting records and documents away.

Secretary of State spokesman Bob Walsh says ACORN is accused of submitting multiple voter registrations with false and duplicate names.

The raid comes two months after state and federal authorities formed a task force to pursue election-fraud allegations in Nevada.

ACORN is synonymous with FRAUD.

775 SurferDoc  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:39:57pm

Fehhhr-Nando!

776 Dianna  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:39:57pm

re: #713 ploome hineni

I don;t remember every hearing it

The screen door slams, Mary's dress waves
Like a vision she dances across the porch as the radio plays;
Roy Orbison is singing "For the Lonely",
Hey, that's me and I want you only,
Don't turn me home again,
I just can't face myself alone tonight.

Don't you run back inside, Darling, you know just what I'm here for.
So you're scared and you're thinking that maybe we ain't that young anymore;
Show a little faith, there's magic in the night,
You ain't a beauty, but hey, you're all right,
Oh, and that's all right tonight.

You can hide under your covers and study your pain,
Make crosses of your lovers and throw roses in the rain,
Spend your summer praying in vain
for a savior to rise from these streets.
Well, I'm no hero and that's understood;
All the redemption I can offer you is beneath this dirty hood...


After that it falls apart. But up to then, it's really pretty good.

777 calcajun  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:40:16pm

re: #740 Ward Cleaver

"Quien es mas macho? Lloyd Bridges, o Ricardo Montalban?"

Quien es mas macho? Ricardo Montalban o Fernando Lamas?

778 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:40:20pm

re: #751 Occasional Reader

Okay, "quién es más macho?" brings us to today's thought experiment:

Who would win in a three-way, no-weapons-allowed fight between James Bond, Jason Bourne, and Hannibal Lecter?


Hey Bond will break some ribs, Bourne will break your legs..But that friggin Lecter will eat your face off!

779 DeafDog  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:40:42pm

re: #761 Occasional Reader

Cómo que "puto"?! El, aliado con los franceses y Chuck Norris, echó a los de Hizballah de Líbano, cabrón!

780 alegrias  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:41:02pm

re: #761 Occasional Reader

Cómo que "puto"?! El, aliado con los franceses, echó a los de Hizballah de Líbano, cabrón!

* * *
Obama and Biden are very Zapatero.

Zapatero refused to stand for the US flag as it went by during Spain's National Parade in 2003, earning Zapatero enmity from many Spaniards embarassed at boorish Zapatero's behavior.

Zapatero basically did a William Ayers stomp on the American flag, and fellow Spaniards throw it in Zapatero's face.

Joe Biden stood up for Zapatero during the VEEP debate, saying McCain was refusing to meet with Spain, a NATO ally--but Zapatero did diss our flag, and all of Spain knows their president insulted America and Zapatero stands with Chavez, Fidel, Morales and Correa of Bolivia. All Bad Guys.

781 calcajun  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:41:03pm

re: #772 Occasional Reader

I wager (no pun intended) that I'm the only person on this thread who's actually been to a cockfight.

You mean with poultry, right? /

782 jorline  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:41:33pm

re: #751 Occasional Reader

Okay, "quién es más macho?" brings us to today's thought experiment:

Who would win in a three-way, no-weapons-allowed fight between James Bond, Jason Bourne, and Hannibal Lecter?

Hannibal could chew his way out of any situation. Definitely bite off one of Bourne's legs when he tries a round house kick. He could sneak up on 007 while he's naked with Ms. Pennymoney and eat them both.

783 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:41:44pm

re: #776 Dianna

After that it falls apart.

Oh, I'd go a little further:

...Baby, what else can we do now?
Except roll down the window
and let the wind blow back your hair
The night's busted open
these two lanes can take us
anywhere

Good lines.

784 doppelganglander  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:42:18pm

re: #716 Occasional Reader

I like practically all of The Wild, The Innocent & The E Street Shuffle, and Greetings From Asbury Park, NJ.

Also the song "Jungleland".

The first five albums are still magical for me because they're so closely tied to my teenage years, being a Jersey girl. I just try to tune out his politics.

785 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:42:47pm

re: #781 calcajun

You mean with poultry, right? /

Yes. This has nothing to do with Throbert McGee's, ah, announcement earlier today. Not that kind of cockfight.

786 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:43:43pm

re: #776 Dianna

787 Dianna  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:43:46pm

re: #751 Occasional Reader

Okay, "quién es más macho?" brings us to today's thought experiment:

Who would win in a three-way, no-weapons-allowed fight between James Bond, Jason Bourne, and Hannibal Lecter?

Jason Bourne.

788 FrogMarch  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:44:52pm

re: #765 alegrias

* * *
Great, thanks, I will definitely see "An American Carol" after the debate, tomorrow for sure.

Not the greatest movie ever made - but it certainly scratches an itch. It's filled with a handful of hollywood actors who *get* why we fight for our freedoms. --all while mocking Michael Moore. I really enjoyed it. I went to see the movie with a person who had low expectations. He liked it! & he thought it was great and commented that the movie trailer doesn't do it justice.
Figures - conservatives don't know how to sell themselves.

789 calcajun  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:45:00pm

re: #787 Dianna

Jason Bourne.

Bourne--not Matt Damon. I think Lecter gets in a few licks, though.

790 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:45:20pm

Bourne seems to be the favorite.

The correct answer: THEY'RE FICTIONAL CHARACTERS, YOU FOOLS! bwaaahahaha

/

791 SurferDoc  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:46:05pm

re: #790 Occasional Reader

Bourne seems to be the favorite.

The correct answer: THEY'RE FICTIONAL CHARACTERS, YOU FOOLS! bwaaahahaha

/

Yah, but...

792 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:46:15pm
793 doppelganglander  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:46:23pm

re: #789 calcajun

Bourne--not Matt Damon. I think Lecter gets in a few licks, though.

Oh, man, is it time for another pun war?

794 Dianna  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:46:48pm

re: #771 calcajun

Yes.

Caulen thought it was hysterical.

795 GeeWiz  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:47:06pm

re: #407 johnnyreb

Paul Newman, and his wife Joanne Woodward, was/is a class act. RIP Paul, you shall be well remembered.

796 FrogMarch  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:47:25pm

I just want to get this off my chest. Looking at the polls, I'm really feeling grim.
If Obama gets in - our nation will have elected George Soros.

797 Dianna  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:47:51pm

re: #783 Occasional Reader

Oh, I'd go a little further:

...Baby, what else can we do now?
Except roll down the window
and let the wind blow back your hair
The night's busted open
these two lanes can take us
anywhere

Good lines.

Yeah, you're right.

I just loved the bridge, and didn't care for it when it got loud, because it fell apart to my ear.

798 HackD  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:47:58pm

re: #751 Occasional Reader

Okay, "quién es más macho?" brings us to today's thought experiment:

Who would win in a three-way, no-weapons-allowed fight between James Bond, Jason Bourne, and Hannibal Lecter?

None of the above. Chuck Norris would round-house kick the lot into next week.

799 Outrider  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:48:09pm

re: #726 calcajun

Any sopranos? ////

Seriously, this is a case of shut up and sing.

When I was much younger, I laughed at MASH when it was on CBS. My Dad got tired of the political humor and stopped watching it in 75-76. I caught some reruns recently and saw, now, why my Dad gave up on it. You do learn and change as you get older.

M*A*S*H is still one of Dads favorite shows strangely enough. He was one of the first soldiers to deploy to the Korean war, stayed for the entire war and served another tour thee in 1964. He is so far to the right he makes me look liberal.
I can only assume he finds humor there that is beyond me, he just doesn't see the political overtones at all, or just doesn't care and merely enjoys the show. He couldn't possibly miss the Vietnam allusions as he also did a couple of tours there before retiring from the Army in 1971.

800 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:48:25pm

re: #796 FrogMarch

I just want to get this off my chest. Looking at the polls, I'm really feeling grim.
If Obama gets in - our nation will have elected George Soros.

Is it my imagination, or have I seen many polls dissected on this site, showing that it is almost standard operating practice to over-sample Dems?

801 Dianna  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:49:15pm

re: #792 ploome hineni

I agree, except for the lines I quoted, and that OR added to.

Really, that's quite good. The rest? I can take or leave.

Though the Eagles perpetrated some lyric atrocities, too.

802 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:49:36pm

re: #772 Occasional Reader
You would be incorrect!
But I wouldn't brag ...
Same with dog fighting!
It's just wrong!

803 Dianna  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:50:00pm

re: #785 Occasional Reader

Throbert was around?

I hope he didn't shock anybody!

804 SurferDoc  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:50:13pm

The Eagles best stuff is sublime.

805 FrogMarch  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:50:42pm

re: #800 OldLineTexan

Is it my imagination, or have I seen many polls dissected on this site, showing that it is almost standard operating practice to over-sample Dems?

I don't want to be a killjoy - but Bush was ahead in the 2004 polls - barely - but he was ahead and he won. Right now -2008- the polls may be wrong for a variety of reasons. But they might be right. Certainly if McCain were ahead we would all be saying "hay - look at the polls!". Human nature.

806 FrogMarch  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:50:52pm

"hey"

807 Dianna  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:50:56pm

re: #772 Occasional Reader

I wager (no pun intended) that I'm the only person on this thread who's actually been to a cockfight.

I'd rather die.

808 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:51:38pm

re: #802 reloadingisnotahobby

You would be incorrect!
But I wouldn't brag ...
Same with dog fighting!
It's just wrong!

I didn't say I organized the dang thing! Nor approved of it.

809 Outrider  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:51:56pm

re: #772 Occasional Reader

I wager (no pun intended) that I'm the only person on this thread who's actually been to a cockfight.

Nope. Also been to a monkey/chicken...ahhhh..wrestling match when I was in Thailand.

810 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:52:04pm

re: #808 Occasional Reader
Fair enough!
LOL

811 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:52:16pm
812 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:52:25pm

re: #803 Dianna

Throbert was around?

I hope he didn't shock anybody!

Well, you can search for his post and decide for yourself.

It's... different, from most other posts.

813 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:53:09pm

re: #809 Outrider

That's sick on several levels!
LOL

814 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:53:19pm

re: #805 FrogMarch

I don't want to be a killjoy - but Bush was ahead in the 2004 polls - barely - but he was ahead and he won. Right now -2008- the polls may be wrong for a variety of reasons. But they might be right. Certainly if McCain were ahead we would all be saying "hay - look at the polls!". Human nature.

You will never see me point to a poll as proof of anything. 100% money-back ironclad guarantee on that.

815 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:54:11pm

re: #807 Dianna

I'd rather die.

It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. I think a bullfight (which I've never attended, nor do I mean to) would be a lot worse.

816 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:54:38pm

re: #747 OldLineTexan

I can handle politics in music, even lefty politics, as long as I do not have to hear pointed BDS references in it.

So, yes, the song about Tom is your typical protest stuff, BUT there is a haunting quality to it and it doesn't have a chorus of "Bush is da debbil" in the background.

Yes, and I'm sure I'll listen to it again. "Youngstown" is one of my favorites.
"Them smokestacks reaching like the arms of G-d into a beautiful sky of soot and clay". And that's considered good - good employment.

817 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:54:55pm

re: #809 Outrider

Nope. Also been to a monkey/chicken...ahhhh..wrestling match when I was in Thailand.

I'm guessing the monkey... er... "won"?

818 Dianna  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:55:17pm

re: #812 Occasional Reader

I'm too fogged. I'll never find it, and I'm not up to discovering it.

I'm sure he managed to say something embarrassing.

Sigh.

819 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:55:47pm

re: #815 Occasional Reader

It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. I think a bullfight (which I've never attended, nor do I mean to) would be a lot worse.

Again, Tom Lehrer has a great line
"for surely, there is nothing so beautiful in this world as the sight of a lone man facing, singlehandedly, half a ton of angry ... pot roast"

820 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:56:02pm
821 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:58:00pm
822 SurferDoc  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:59:12pm

My life seems to slow down
The farther I go
Into the bare heart
Of Old Mexico
I keep searching for someone
Who once let me in
But somehow I lost you
To the Mexican Wind

823 Dianna  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 2:59:56pm

re: #815 Occasional Reader

It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. I think a bullfight (which I've never attended, nor do I mean to) would be a lot worse.

I have seen Mexican bullfighting, where the bull is not killed. I thought it utterly barbaric, but at least the bull stands a chance of getting the matador. So I will call it a reasonable contest. I won't watch it again, ever, but I don't like boxing, either, without feeling it ought to banned.

Setting animals to fight each other just makes me utterly sick.

824 Outrider  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:00:20pm

re: #817 Occasional Reader

I'm guessing the monkey... er... "won"?

After the feathers quit flying? Yes.

825 formercorpsman  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:01:27pm

For some reason, my screen for LGF has the comments column to the left.

Not seeing the sidebar stuff, it is positioned actually under this comment box further left.

826 Dianna  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:01:36pm

re: #820 ploome hineni

ever hear anything more devastating than this?

I like the version the Indigo Girls did. But I love harmony.

827 musicman  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:03:25pm

re: #705 Walter L. Newton

Did you see Frank Gorshen (the impersonator, and also the Riddler in Batman TV series) when he was in town in the one man show "Good Night, Gracie?"

Blew my socks off. He had me in tears by the end of the show.

We saw that a couple of years ago and Jamie Farr of MASH fame played the part.

828 GeeWiz  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:03:47pm

re: #439 johnnyreb

Paul Newman built The Hole in the Wall Gang Camp in Ashford, CT. His support over the years has produced something just short of magic for so many youths over the years. My company is a vendor to that camp and can attest to just how much love (nevermind money) he poured into it. The camp is a treasure that he left to us here in CT. May it continue to give those more challenged than us some comfort for many years to come.

829 debutaunt  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 3:31:54pm

re: #746 Occasional Reader

Joe Biden no es muy macho.

Muy botox.

830 Scion9  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:01:20pm

re: #650 Kosh's Shadow

Typical cult, but without the kool-aid.
Surprised they didn't go to suicide bombers.

It's straight from Marx. What 'free love' is really all about. Your body is communal property of the Collective.

If you could weigh a man's capacity for evil in equal value between his words as well as his deeds, Karl Marx would topple any scale when set opposite Hitler, Stalin, Mao and the rest of histories birthed from the fruits of his twisted mind.

Anywhere Hitler et al put their own spin on Communism, it was a change to make it 'softer' and more palatable for the consumption of the masses, and likely for their own as well.

831 Scion9  Tue, Oct 7, 2008 4:11:01pm

re: #830 Scion9

...and the rest of history's monsters birthed...

PIMF


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