I don't think I can bear watching it again.

McCain: Strong on substance, weak on delivery, my friend.
Obama: Weak on substance, strong on delivery. . ie no change.

I'm not sure if "complete" is the right way to describe that debate.

It was unwatchable the first time.

This is actually the Director's Cut. It includes some rare, pants-less footage of both candidates.

re: #1 looking closely

Best summary I've seen of the debate.

I'm sorry, folks. Obama the Con Artist/Marxist/AMERICA HATER is going to win.
May these next 4 years pass swiftly.

My husband watched thru last night - I only made the first half hour. His verdict? A tie. Wish I could watch - server here bans Youtube.

Brokaw sucked, by the way.
Didn't enforce the time limits, or the rules of the debate.

I might try it as an insomnia cure, my friend, but I think it would give me nightmares, my friend, so in the end I'd reach out across the aisle to turn it off.

re: #4 Occasional Reader

This is actually the Director's Cut. It includes some rare, pants-less footage of both candidates.

Ew, who was the director?

re: #5 StudSupreme

Best summary I've seen of the debate.

I'm sorry, folks. Obama the Con Artist/Marxist/AMERICA HATER is going to win.
May these next 4 years pass swiftly.

I will make the same bet with you that I did Realwest last night.

I will make a donation of your choice of charity, in your name of 100 dollars if Obama wins.
If McCain wins you must call me the Great TypicalWhitey and agree with EVERY post I make for a week.

DEAL?

re: #5 StudSupreme

Best summary I've seen of the debate.

I'm sorry, folks. Obama the Con Artist/Marxist/AMERICA HATER is going to win.
May these next 4 years pass swiftly.

I'm starting to think you may be right.

If its any consolation, Obama is going to grasp a poisoned chalice. The economy will be crap, and no way is he going to fix it with his assortment of socialist wealth-redistribution schemes or bigger gov't.

I'd look for a Republican Congressional rebound in two years, which will at least partially reduce Obama's grasp.

Until then. . .G-d help us.

The only way I could watch that debate again would be A Clockwork Orange style.

Thanks for posting this Charles- now we can all watch 0bama lie his ass off again.

If I watch it again will Kelsey Grammer come out in uniform and smack Obama down, with McCain's Father and Grandfather standing behind him?

re: #4 Occasional Reader

This is actually the Director's Cut. It includes some rare, pants-less footage of both candidates.

Does it include that close-up of Obama's hand on his mike -- pinky and third finger wrapped around behind it and crossed -- as Obama thanked the ex-Navy Chief for his service?

re: #10 Typicalwhitey

I will make the same bet with you that I did Realwest last night.

I will make a donation of your choice of charity, in your name of 100 dollars if Obama wins.
If McCain wins you must call me the Great TypicalWhitey and agree with EVERY post I make for a week.

DEAL?

Excellent bet!

(Never bet against someone who is putting up serious money!)

re: #7 looking closely

Brokaw sucked, by the way.
Didn't enforce the time limits, or the rules of the debate.

Well, it didn't look like the candidates care much either. They were all out of control at times. That bothers me.

This was supposed to be John McCain's strong suit -- the townhall style debate.

He did not rise to the occasion. I watched it again to see if my initial impression held up -- and it did. He came across as overly rehearsed and nervous, and by the hundredth "my friends" I was ready to put a chair through the TV screen.

Ugh. Barack Obama didn't do very well, either, but McCain was the loser in this one. And it gives me no joy to say so.

re: #5 StudSupreme

I don't think 0bama's going to win. Zogby has the race within two, and we have 5-7 million PUMAs on our side.

But of course- if we give up now before the race is over, we're sure to lose.

re: #10 Typicalwhitey

I will make the same bet with you that I did Realwest last night.

I will make a donation of your choice of charity, in your name of 100 dollars if Obama wins.
If McCain wins you must call me the Great TypicalWhitey and agree with EVERY post I make for a week.

DEAL?

StudSupreme isn't such a prolific poster, TW. You should get a clause to the contract that compels him/her to come on a minimum number of hours per day, particularly during the time you're on.

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New McCain ad out today (press release)

Video

I will not watch it a second time, but ... thank you, Charles for posting it. This is a public service.

As I mentioned in one of the threads last night, IMO McCain *could* have had the proverbial "homerun" using more or less his exact points, had he only had better delivery.

Does anyone doubt that Giuliani, Thompson, or even Romney would have wiped the floor with Obama?

Is the GOP throwing the election?

re: #20 Intrepid

StudSupreme isn't such a prolific poster, TW. You should get a clause to the contract that compels him/her to come on a minimum number of hours per day, particularly during the time you're on.

Registered since: Dec 8, 2007 at 6:40 pm
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Oops. Lol

Folks I have to tell you I am deadly serious here.
The ONLY reason Obama pulled ahead was the economy.
McCain is now trusted on that issue.
He will win.

re: #19 Sharmuta

I don't think 0bama's going to win. Zogby has the race within two, and we have 5-7 million PUMAs on our side.

But of course- if we give up now before the race is over, we're sure to lose.

Problem is, the dead people never answer the polling questions, so that's gotta be a few percentage points right there.

re: #22 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I will not watch it a second time, but ... thank you, Charles for posting it. This is a public service.

Neither will I, that was ugly last night on both sides. McCain could have put the puck through Bambi's 5-hole several times and clanged the rubber off the crossbar. They should have had Palin debate Obama, his head would be mounted above her fireplace by today.

re: #19 Sharmuta

I don't think 0bama's going to win. Zogby has the race within two, and we have 5-7 million PUMAs on our side.

But of course- if we give up now before the race is over, we're sure to lose.

I appreciated that spin-off link on the Pennsylvania PUMAs. Keep us up to date ... PLEASE!

re: #24 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Is the GOP throwing the election?

More of a limp wristed toss if you ask me.

Oh, no. I couldn't suffer through that again.

re: #18 Charles

This was supposed to be John McCain's strong suit -- the townhall style debate.

He did not rise to the occasion. I watched it again to see if my initial impression held up -- and it did. He came across as overly rehearsed and nervous, and by the hundredth "my friends" I was ready to put a chair through the TV screen.

Ugh. Barack Obama didn't do very well, either, but McCain was the loser in this one. And it gives me no joy to say so.

That's good to know. I thought I was going out of my mind, since I agree. I think we should stop fooling ourselves. McCain lost this on his own, and he is not showing me any reason to make him president (although I will vote for him).

Yes, you heard me say it here. Two months ago I was suggesting that no one of these two candidates should get a vote, but I have changed my mind.

But only because I want to put McCain in as a "political speed bump." And while he is fumbling around trying to find the keys to the presidential restroom, we shoudl start working on getting EVERY CRIMINAL IN DC OUT OF THERE.

What happened to Bill Ayers? After McCain drums up all this noise about Ayers, he doesn't even mention him in the debate?

I don't say this often, but WTF?

Dammit, I have to say, this, I actually lost sleep about this last night:

Somebody ELSE did their best to determine who would win this election. I feel like my vote has been somehow..........suppressed.
George Soros.
Oprah Winfrey.
The Associated Pravda, Reuters, MSNBC, NYT and so forth.
All the glowing praise and visionary, effervescent advertising for Obama.
All the suppression of information about his past.
The titanic flood of polemic, propagangda and demagoguery supporting the Dhimmicrat party, tearing down GWB, McCain, Palin and the Republicans, and supporting AQ, Hamas, Hizb-alah and Iran.

I'm not a paranoid or a conspiracy theorist, but I can't help but feel that a bunch of smug, elitist, demagogic, sanctimonious, narcissistic wealthy liberals tried desperately to pull the wool over my eyes, and have been successful with a majority of my fellow citizens.

All this seems SO BAD on so many levels..................

And not only are these liars, propagandists and con artists going to win, but they're going to have a free hand for years................

I grew up during the 70's. Those were sad times. But this is going to be a lot worse.

Please, Lord, let these 4 years pass quickly.

re: #18 Charles

This was supposed to be John McCain's strong suit -- the townhall style debate.

He did not rise to the occasion. I watched it again to see if my initial impression held up -- and it did. He came across as overly rehearsed and nervous, and by the hundredth "my friends" I was ready to put a chair through the TV screen.

Ugh. Barack Obama didn't do very well, either, but McCain was the loser in this one. And it gives me no joy to say so.

While I agree with this characterization, I'd prefer to say that McCain didn't decisively "win".

Since he's apparently behind, anything that doesn't help him, hurts him. So he "lost" here simply by not winning strongly enough.

As to the townhall style debate. . .it simply wasn't. The questions were pre-screened, Brokaw didn't follow the rules or enforce time limits, and he injected his own questions into the mix.

This was, at best, a made-for-TV imitation of a town-hall debate.

re: #31 Walter L. Newton

"we shoudl start working on getting EVERY CRIMINAL IN DC OUT OF THERE."

/ Then who would be left to run the Country?

re: #32 Charles

Supposedly the topic of the debate was economics.

re: #32 Charles

What happened to Bill Ayers? After McCain drums up all this noise about Ayers, he doesn't even mention him in the debate?

I don't say this often, but WTF?

And didn't Palin say McCain was going to take the gloves off? What happened there?

At this point I'd settle for a GOP majority in both houses to hamstring the POTUS.

re: #36 rawmuse

Supposedly the topic of the debate was economics.

Not true... The Otwn Hall style debate was a general debate... The next debate was supposed the one on domestic issues...

re: #10 Typicalwhitey

I will make the same bet with you that I did Realwest last night.

I will make a donation of your choice of charity, in your name of 100 dollars if Obama wins.
If McCain wins you must call me the Great TypicalWhitey and agree with EVERY post I make for a week.

DEAL?

You misunderstand - I am NOT an Obamatard. I very much hope that you turn out to be right. Things just look very dark right now.
I've always hated politics. But I actually have become quite concerned, and with the imminent outcome of this election, I'm feeling rather.......glum.

re: #35 Bubblehead II

"we shoudl start working on getting EVERY CRIMINAL IN DC OUT OF THERE."

/ Then who would be left to run the Country?

Planet of the Apes?

re: #36 rawmuse

Supposedly the topic of the debate was economics.

Maybe, but it wasn't as if anyone was trying to keep things on topic.

McCain missed SO MANY potentially great follow up points I nearly killed the TV.

But, I killed a bottle of Tito's instead.

re: #32 Charles

What happened to Bill Ayers? After McCain drums up all this noise about Ayers, he doesn't even mention him in the debate?

I don't say this often, but WTF?

Agreed... Questioning Obama's ties, associations and allegiances is the one bullet left in the gun for John McCain... If he isn't going to use it Obama will end up with 300 EV's.

re: #32 Charles

What happened to Bill Ayers? After McCain drums up all this noise about Ayers, he doesn't even mention him in the debate?

I don't say this often, but WTF?

The format was very time constraining, and most viewers still have no clue who Ayers is.

While there wasn't really an opening for Ayers per se, McCain could have at least opened this up obliquely by referring to Obama's experience in wasting $150 million of other people's money in grants when working with Ayers.

Too bad the mean and sarcastic McCain didn't show up last night. At least it would have kept me watching.

David Kernell indicted for 'hacking' Palin's email account: [Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]

I can't wait for a blog post on this.

re: #37 bosforus

And didn't Palin say McCain was going to take the gloves off? What happened there?

He brought an open hand to a fist fight.

re: #37 bosforus

And didn't Palin say McCain was going to take the gloves off? What happened there?

He took the gloves off and proceeded to tie one of them behind his back. Not much progress there.

re: #1 looking closely

I don't think I can bear watching it again.

McCain: Strong on substance, weak on delivery, my friend.
Obama: Weak on substance, strong on delivery. . ie no change.

Odrama said things some people want to hear.
McCain said things everyone needs to hear.

re: #43 uncle_monkey

McCain missed SO MANY potentially great follow up points I nearly killed the TV.

But, I killed a bottle of Tito's instead.

At home I was actually talking to the TV, reciting my comebacks and defenses and going on the offense much better than John McCain...

re: #40 StudSupreme

You misunderstand - I am NOT an Obamatard. I very much hope that you turn out to be right. Things just look very dark right now.
I've always hated politics. But I actually have become quite concerned, and with the imminent outcome of this election, I'm feeling rather.......glum.

Oh I know you're not!
I just honestly feel McCain is going to win and I want SOMEONE to call me the Great Typical Whitey for a week and agree with all of my most outrageous posts!
;)

re: #37 bosforus

And didn't Palin say McCain was going to take the gloves off? What happened there?

re: #49 JSK1121

He took the gloves off and proceeded to tie one of them behind his back. Not much progress there.

He brought surgical gloves and filled them with water...

In spite of naysayers here - I am pleased with breakthroughs seen recently in the MSM re: OBH.

1.) Time's reporter nailing O's campaign manager re: O's ties with unrepentant Ayers, and not giving him an inch to wiggle.
2.) CNN's recent report exposing the Ayer's tie as "deeper" than O's campaign claim.
3.) Phil Berg legally seeks O's birth records. Judge approves request.
4.) the Palin affect (NOW, etc.)

We have a 27 day truth distillation process. Keep the faith!

Bleh, as broke as I am, I'm sending my second campaign contribution to McCain/Palin this morning.
I just wish I could shake this feeling that it's too little, too late.

re: #53 Typicalwhitey

Oh I know you're not!
I just honestly feel McCain is going to win and I want SOMEONE to call me the Great Typical Whitey for a week and agree with all of my most outrageous posts!
;)

I'll call you Great Typical Whitey for the next week, if that's what you want (?)

re: #32 Charles

What happened to Bill Ayers? After McCain drums up all this noise about Ayers, he doesn't even mention him in the debate?

I don't say this often, but WTF?

If the election is lost by McCain, it will be a result of his failure to define his opponent and his loss will be his fault and well deserved. Is anyone listening to Biden right now. "this election is about dignity and respect.....and fairness" what a lying POS.

So many lost opportunities after the great opening salvo. I thought it was going to be a good night with the reference to Obama's cronies and friends, and that was it.

Yeah, BTW Charles congrats on the mention on the Mark Levin Show re: the CNN clip on Ayers... Good stuff...

re: #27 JSK1121

Neither will I, that was ugly last night on both sides. McCain could have put the puck through Bambi's 5-hole several times and clanged the rubber off the crossbar. They should have had Palin debate Obama, his head would be mounted above her fireplace by today.

I have a metaphorical image of both men as if they're seesaws.

Obama's style end is VERY high, but the other end, competence, is on the ground.

McCain's seesaw is closer to the horizontal, but his style end is significantly lower than his competence end. He'll make a better President than debater.

re: #32 Charles

What happened to Bill Ayers? After McCain drums up all this noise about Ayers, he doesn't even mention him in the debate?

I don't say this often, but WTF?

I agree, he should have mentioned it, but he would've had to do it outside the bounds of the topics of the debate (the economy and foreign policy). The debate format straitjacketed him.

re: #41 Edgar

3 Stooges. At least we would be able to laugh at their antics.

re: #32 Charles

What happened to Bill Ayers? After McCain drums up all this noise about Ayers, he doesn't even mention him in the debate?

I don't say this often, but WTF?

There is one more debate closer to the election.

Keep the powder dry.

re: #63 buzzsawmonkey

If McCain wouldn't say it--and he didn't--I will say this again, in the hope that people will point this out to anyone with whom it might do some good:

Obama is willing to meet with Ahmedinejad with fewer preconditions than he laid down for meeting to debate with McCain.

Yeah, but I don't think Ahmadinejad is much of a debater. He'd probably put Obama to sleep by quoting religious scripture nonstop for an hour.

re: #5 StudSupreme

Best summary I've seen of the debate.

I'm sorry, folks. Obama the Con Artist/Marxist/AMERICA HATER is going to win.
May these next 4 years pass swiftly.

Bite your tongue.

re: #32 Charles

What happened to Bill Ayers? After McCain drums up all this noise about Ayers, he doesn't even mention him in the debate?

I don't say this often, but WTF?

I have to wonder if there was a reason (a political calculation) for that. Don't know. Just a hunch that there was. Time will tell.

George Soros Obama

re: #66 taxfreekiller

the last week is all that counts, that and Nov. 4th

all this other shit is just sloppy fore play

Amen.

For what it's worth as far as polls go:
{DRUDGE POLL} WHO WON THE SECOND PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?...

MCCAIN
66% 190,663
OBAMA
30% 85,665
NEITHER
4% 12,566

Total Votes: 288,894

Oh, and Tom Brokkaw should return to retirement...

Bob Schieffer moderates the next debate? Ugh... He laughingly called Ayers a part of the 'weather people' on Sunday as he shrugged off the Obama-Ayers ties...

re: #58 gymnast

Is anyone listening to Biden right now. "this election is about dignity and respect.....and fairness" what a lying POS.

AAARGH! This election is about "Do you want to complete the surrender of the USA to the anti-capitalist left?" McCain's campaign appears to be funded by the corporation that makes white flags.

re: #51 buzzsawmonkey

One thing to remember; this was hardly a "townhall debate." There were additional questions that had "just come over the internet," for one thing. It was, basically, a debate moderated more poorly than the VP debate, with some slobs put in for window-dressing.

It was not townhall, but townhall-style, which is to the real thing what kosher-style is to kosher.

These debates have become a strange phenomenon, with audiences instructed to sit motionless and not react -- why have an audience, if they're not supposed to react? -- and moderators who don't moderate, ask weird questions, and never follow up in any meaningful way.

re: #70 FrogMarch

George Soros Obama

Amabo Soros Egroeg.

re: #60 tfc3rid

Charles got a mention from Levin? Very nice.

re: #74 Who Watches the Watchmen?

AAARGH! This election is about "Do you want to complete the surrender of the USA to the anti-capitalist left?" McCain's campaign appears to be funded by the corporation that makes white flags.

Thinking about it, perhaps the 50 Million who are going to vote for Obama really do want Euro-style socialism...

Morning all,

I don't want to suffer through watching this "town hall" debate again, the turnwife even quit watching before the end. It surely wasn't the knock out punch McCain needed my friends (oh I'm beginning to cringe when I hear him say that). McCain was really weak, but that's not to say Obama came across as strong either. I wish I was as confident as TypicalWhitey, I"m just kind of throwing my arms up and saying we'll just have to see what happens come election day.

Congratulations on the 6 million Charles, just darn lucky Edgar didn't get that post. ha!

re: #77 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Charles got a mention from Levin? Very nice.

LGF got mentioned right after the show started last night...

re: #69 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Sarah Palin has the job of mentioning Ayers, Wright, et al.

John McCain has the job of appearing nice enough to get the votes of those who are stodgy.

IMHO it is a team.

re: #75 Charles

These debates have become a strange phenomenon, with audiences instructed to sit motionless and not react -- why have an audience, if they're not supposed to react? -- and moderators who don't moderate, ask weird questions, and never follow up in any meaningful way.

I'd actually like to see the candidated 'debate'... Question one another... Have them hold each other accountable...

re: #78 tfc3rid

Thinking about it, perhaps the 50 Million who are going to vote for Obama really do want Euro-style socialism...

That's a disturbing thought...

re: #53 Typicalwhitey

Oh I know you're not!
I just honestly feel McCain is going to win and I want SOMEONE to call me the Great Typical Whitey for a week and agree with all of my most outrageous posts!
;)

I feel like calling you the Great Typical Whitey just for being one of the few who keeps trying to keep everyone from declaring Obama the winner when we still have four weeks left in the campaign!

We are fighting for McCain. McCain needs to fight. He needs to get back to basics.

What McCain should say?

"Obama wants the government in charge of your health care.

I don't. I want to keep it private."
-or-

"Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank, and Harry Reid will all be in charge of your health care. The same people who brought down Frannie and Freddie will be in charge of your health care. Is that what you want my friends?"

re: #59 Who Watches the Watchmen?

So many lost opportunities after the great opening salvo. I thought it was going to be a good night with the reference to Obama's cronies and friends, and that was it.

I think it really pains McCain to have to go on the attack like that, and that it's way outside his comfort zone. He wants to be "above it all" (too idealistic, IMHO), but his opponents are junkyard dogs, and junkyard dogs only respond to 2x4s.

I've changed my mind.

Obama is the One.

Obama is the Messiah.

Two months without rain in Nashville and Obama comes into town and we get two days straight of rain. I am voting for the Obama.

But wait. Now that it has rained I am going to have to cut the grass again. That rat bastard. I am voting for McCain.

To quote myself from an earlier post:

If anyone was paying attention to what was actually being said in the debate, (as opposed to HOW it was being said) they would have heard that;

BHO thinks that the surge in Iraq was wrong, but that we need one in Afghanistan, to, among other things, kill a man that is probably already dead.

He thinks that intervention in Iraq was wrong, but wants to intervene in Darfur.

He wants to start new companies in the USA making energy efficient cars, and then tax the heck out those same companies.

He says we can't drill our way out of this mess, but seems to think that his jet plane can run on windmills or solar power.

He thinks it is the responsibility of the US government to provide free health care to all (thinks it is a right).

What McCain should have done is demand that Obama meet him in the well of the Senate chamber with the cameras on and debate him for 4 hours a day every day for a month. They are Senators, that is what they are supposed to do and that is where they are supposed to do it.

re: #84 Intrepid

I declare 0bama the loser.

There you go.

re: #75 Charles

if you ask me the moderators ought to be a panel of 3 retired judges

all must agree unanimously to each question
and the vetting process to find the least biased judges would be better than using TV anchors
which is code-words for democrat-operative

why has no one else proposed a "fairer" way to run these things

Two years ago the Dems wanted control of Congress because it was a terrible thing to have an 'unchecked GOP majority' so why is it a good thing to have an 'unchecked' Donk majority?

re: #61 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I have a metaphorical image of both men as if they're seesaws.

Obama's style end is VERY high, but the other end, competence, is on the ground.

McCain's seesaw is closer to the horizontal, but his style end is significantly lower than his competence end. He'll make a better President than debater.

Absolutely. McCain is obviously much more comfortable working than orating, but the voting public doesn't see that. There are no pundits in the conference room.

re: #79 turn

Congratulations on the 6 million Charles, just darn lucky Edgar didn't get that post. ha!

Yeah, you'd have had crying fits, spasms, and would have needed long-term therapy.

re: #32 Charles

What happened to Bill Ayers? After McCain drums up all this noise about Ayers, he doesn't even mention him in the debate?

I don't say this often, but WTF?

If the media were doing their Job McCain wouldn't need to bring up Ayers. They'd be pounding Obama on that and other shady relationships day in and day out (let's not forget Rezko). Of course, if the media were doing their Job, McCain would be running against Hillary right now.

re: #75 Charles

These debates have become a strange phenomenon, with audiences instructed to sit motionless and not react -- why have an audience, if they're not supposed to react? -- and moderators who don't moderate, ask weird questions, and never follow up in any meaningful way.

I've had this strange feeling of deja vu lately, like it's 1976 again. I hope I'm wrong.

re: #32 Charles

It has to be a deliberate omission. I'm betting the "strategy" is to let Palin do all that attacking, and let McCain appear "statesmanlike."

It will backfire. What we want is vigor in the White House, not some putatively wise old Grey Eminence.

Let McCain be McCain. Free up his sarcasm and fighting spirit. Have him point fingers and take on the bad guys. This is what Americans want, not more mealy-mouthed gutless rambling.

re: #91 Ojoe

I declare 0bama the loser.

There you go.

Obama is a loser but is he the loser?

Another Zen question.

re: #18 Charles

This was supposed to be John McCain's strong suit -- the townhall style debate.

He did not rise to the occasion. I watched it again to see if my initial impression held up -- and it did. He came across as overly rehearsed and nervous, and by the hundredth "my friends" I was ready to put a chair through the TV screen.

Ugh. Barack Obama didn't do very well, either, but McCain was the loser in this one. And it gives me no joy to say so.

Regrettably, I agree. McCain would take it on substance, but debates like this are mainly style competitions. Rather like Jim Kelly in Enter The Dragon (probably the best martial-arts film ever made), The One was "too busy looking good" for anyone to notice that his answers didn't actually do much but reiterate Democratic "talking points" going back to McGovern.

My guess is that if elected (and it is by no means certain, T.G.), Obama will be to Jimmy Carter as Siwan Khan was to Genghis Khan in The Shadow (1994), starring Alec Baldwin and John Lone;

Seven hundred years ago, my illustrious ancestor conquered half the world. I intend to finish the job.

Or, in Obambi's case;

Three decades ago, we almost achieved Utopia.
I intend to finish what Carter started. And anyone who doesn't like it, tough s#!t.

cheers

eon

re: #78 tfc3rid

Thinking about it, perhaps the 50 Million who are going to vote for Obama really do want Euro-style socialism...

I'm convinced they do, and they have no clue about what it will really cost. TAANSTAFL

re: #84 Intrepid

I feel like calling you the Great Typical Whitey just for being one of the few who keeps trying to keep everyone from declaring Obama the winner when we still have four weeks left in the campaign!

Why thank you lol.

Look, the ayers/rezko/wright stuff will keep coming.
It will remind everyone why they are apprehensive about Obama.
Coupled with McCains obvious grasp of the economic problems it will put him over the top.

This election was never going to be a blowout.
It will be close.
But I just do not think that enough people will trust a relative newcomer with all the problems are country is dealing with now.

Not everyone agrees with McCain but when the rubber meets the road, EVERYONE knows that he is country first.
Everyone.

re: #36 rawmuse

Supposedly the topic of the debate was economics.

No, it was socialism, or did you miss the memo?

BBIAW - play nice.

Perhaps, this isn't the best place for a hatchling to jump in, but I'm so upset that I don't care if I embarrass myself. Thank you, Charles, for letting us view the debate again.

Sadly, I am just as disappointed with John McCain today as I was last night. He seemed old, tired and his breathing sounded labored. I wanted him to annihilate BO, and he didn't do so. BO lied his ass off, as did Biden. I was yelling at the tv for 90 minutes. A disgusting anti-semite, Marxist should not be in the running for POTUS, but I'm very much afraid that barring a miracle, BO will be our next President.

aaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiisssssssshhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaa

McCain needed to look presidential. He needed to LOOK and Sound relaxed, confident and in command. He did not. He ran about gesturing and pleading. He had all the wrong body language. Obama said nothing, but he loped about the stage looking like he was in control of the situation.

The worst moment was when Brokaw asked the two to prioritize three problems, and McCain gave the stupid sophomoric answer "All three!" All three are NOT equal, and he could have SAID that while he would prefer to attack all three at once, he should have declared a priority. That would show the kind of decisiveness that a commander in chief should display.

re: #87 TN_Vol

I've changed my mind.

Obama is the One.

Obama is the Messiah.

Two months without rain in Nashville and Obama comes into town and we get two days straight of rain. I am voting for the Obama.

But wait. Now that it has rained I am going to have to cut the grass again. That rat bastard. I am voting for McCain.

Another thing: the Vols won on Saturday! And McCain volunteered when he went to the Naval Academy, so that's another reason to vote for him.

Mac's a Vol!

re: #81 Ojoe

Sarah Palin has the job of mentioning Ayers, Wright, et al.

John McCain has the job of appearing nice enough to get the votes of those who are stodgy.

IMHO it is a team.

I don't know about niceness being part of the strategy. I think McCain is too collegial for his own good. But I do believe they're playing good cop/bad cop. McCain sticks mainly to policy and Palin goes after the shady associations. It could work if they can break through the MSM cheerleading squad.

re: #92 Adrenalyn

The moderators ought to be, IMHO —

For a debate worth watching...

re: #105 MandyManners

!

Yes, now would be a great time for her to show up.

Show us some leg, Aisha!

re: #81 Ojoe

Sarah Palin has the job of mentioning Ayers, Wright, et al.

John McCain has the job of appearing nice enough to get the votes of those who are stodgy.

IMHO it is a team.

The Good Cop routine isn't working and McCain should know it by now. They need to be a juggernaut at this point. When the press accuses them of not laying down for the drubbing they need to roll right over them.

McCain seems to really have believed they liked and respected him back in the day, but now he's got to know they only courted him because he was a pain in Bush's behind. He's fought back quite a bit, but he still seems to have this idea that he might be able to win them over again. Not possible. You never had them to begin with, Senator.

re: #78 tfc3rid

Thinking about it, perhaps the 50 Million who are going to vote for Obama really do want Euro-style socialism...

Let's face it, there are a number of people in this country who can't or don't want to embrace American values to achieve success, they believe that they are entitled to the American dream and success just by being here. There are those who refuse to take responsibility for themselves and prefer to outsource it to the government because it seems easier.

It is the impact of three or four decades of subtle and not so subtle indoctrination at all levels of education - the overwhelming full court press from a predominately elitist leftist MSM - and laziness of the electorate.

I'll repeat from the dead thread...

Obama's bothersome/worrisome comments...
1. Healthcare is a right... Ugh... That's a right but not gun ownershiop, right?

2. Taxation and Redistribution of Wealth. Because working hard and earning a good life is bad thing. And of course, this works well in Europe...

3. Large domestic Civilian Force. Right.

4. Contempt of George Bush. After all, we haven't been attacked since 9/11 on a large scale. And oh, yeah remember those surpluses, yeah, we were attacked moron, that's why they are gone...

re: #86 Ward Cleaver

I think it really pains McCain to have to go on the attack like that, and that it's way outside his comfort zone. He wants to be "above it all" (too idealistic, IMHO), but his opponents are junkyard dogs, and junkyard dogs only respond to 2x4s.

Or hockey sticks. ;-)

why doesn't the GOP run some ads questioning Obama

use a stern-sounding lawyer type
like Fred Thompson, he used to play a lawyer

and remind the people
in a closing arguement type of way

if you think that Obama does not have enough character flaws
then go ahead and vote for him

but if you are not sure
beyond a reasonable doubt
vote Republican

re: #91 Ojoe

I declare 0bama the loser.

There you go.

The Great Ojoe has spoken! May it be so...

;-)

Look - this debate may not have been what you all hoped for.
McCain hasn't made the points you all, as experienced Lizards, would have liked him to make.
So - not the stellar performance you expected.
However, he did not 'lose' to B0, he was not beaten.

Allow me to bring a comparison with my favourite sport, rugby: its half time now, the favourite team is just about ahead. Teams are in their dressing rooms, getting bawled out by the coaches. The team more determined to win, will win, not the team who thinks its in the bag.
Even a point difference of 0 -16 can be turned into a win against the favourite in the second half! (Yep - that happened in real life!).

Point is: never give up until the ref blows the final whistle.
A win is a win, even if its hard-fought and not looking pretty, even if the winning points are scored in the last minute.
So keep the faith and keep fighting!

re: #93 tfc3rid

Two years ago the Dems wanted control of Congress because it was a terrible thing to have an 'unchecked GOP majority' so why is it a good thing to have an 'unchecked' Donk majority?

Because it's 'Change'............

re: #81 Ojoe

Sarah Palin has the job of mentioning Ayers, Wright, et al.

John McCain has the job of appearing nice enough to get the votes of those who are stodgy.

IMHO it is a team.

Someone posted this on the Overnight -- Geraghty, Obi-Wan Kenobi. Some excellent points are made. One is that, in these troubled times, McCain has the advantage of being a steady hand to put at the helm. I think this is one helluva modification to your second point.

Purposefully or not, and subtly as hell, McCain did affirm that point last night. The election might possibly be decided by people's second-thoughts on election eve. That's when this will have its impact.

re: #115 Adrenalyn

why doesn't the GOP run some ads questioning Obama

use a stern-sounding lawyer type
like Fred Thompson, he used to play a lawyer

Just a reminder, Fred was a lawyer long before he was an actor.

Waiting for the October surprise. Time is running out for McCain. Oh well, we'll either have Obama who will heal the universe just because he's Obama, or we'll have McCain reaching across the aisle and fixing Social Security and Medicare just because it's so easy to fix complex things like that when you're a maverick and can be bipartisan and all of that jazz.

I'm truly starting to wonder if I'll ever be inspired by anyone running for political office again. Election after election of having to vote for the lesser of two evils shtick is getting really tiresome.

Act as if the election just started.

re: #115 Adrenalyn

Maybe we should call the RNC and demand they fight for their candidate, their party and their country.

re: #27 JSK1121

You do mean the head between Obama's shoulders, right? OK. Just checking.

re: #104 seahag

Perhaps, this isn't the best place for a hatchling to jump in, but I'm so upset that I don't care if I embarrass myself. Thank you, Charles, for letting us view the debate again.

Sadly, I am just as disappointed with John McCain today as I was last night. He seemed old, tired and his breathing sounded labored. I wanted him to annihilate BO, and he didn't do so. BO lied his ass off, as did Biden. I was yelling at the tv for 90 minutes. A disgusting anti-semite, Marxist should not be in the running for POTUS, but I'm very much afraid that barring a miracle, BO will be our next President.

Obama lied. Not according to the MSM. I saw 10 fact checks on CNN, and everyone was a negative for McCain.

Yea, I know, Obama did lie, but my point is, it's not getting reported. And most of John Q. only wants these MSM styled soundbites, and CNN is only to happy to oblidge.

Lizards are not the general make up of the voting public. Most of the voters out there are drive by voters, who won't pay attention to the deep issues and will vote with their feelings, facts be damned.

OK, really BBIAW

re: #113 tfc3rid

I'll repeat from the dead thread...

Obama's bothersome/worrisome comments...

Refer to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. If you're a "citizen of the world" it trumps America's governing documents and founding principles.

re: #114 Who Watches the Watchmen?

McCain flew attack jets;

he has a sense of timing,

otherwise he would have flown into the ground.

No discouragement here please.

If he loses the election it will be the people's fault not his.

BBL

re: #123 Sharmuta

Maybe we should call the RNC and demand they fight for their candidate, their party and their country.

true, however it may be we are all fighting for our country
and against our countrymen, if Obama wins

sounds almost Confucian......?

re: #121 mfarmer1

Waiting for the October surprise. Time is running out for McCain. Oh well, we'll either have Obama who will heal the universe just because he's Obama, or we'll have McCain reaching across the aisle and fixing Social Security and Medicare just because it's so easy to fix complex things like that when you're a maverick and can be bipartisan and all of that jazz.

I'm truly starting to wonder if I'll ever be inspired by anyone running for political office again. Election after election of having to vote for the lesser of two evils shtick is getting really tiresome.

No, it's the fact that we have 2 Senators running for President... I'll bet if we had an Executive (Gov./MAyor) as candidate, we could be more inspired...

re: #68 Ward Cleaver

Bite your tongue.

Yo, Man, it's the truth.
The Marxist Con Artist America-Hater from Chicago, the one who shies away from difficult decisions and then, when the smoke clears and the decision is made, sides with it as if he were with it all along; the guy who is such a narcissist that he truly believes he can be charming enough to filth like Ahmadinejad to get him to change his ways; the guy who clearly and deeply HATES the military and who truly thinks that a photo-op trip to afghanistan makes him a weightier judge on military matters than the troopers on the front; the guy who.....Good God Almighty..........who thinks that it's RIGHT AND PROPER that those around the world who HATE and ENVY America should have a legitimate say on how we treat them, how we participate in the world or defend ourselves......................

I could go on, but it just all makes me S I C K .

AND, thanks to his backing by Oprah Winfrey, Barbra Streisand, George Soros, the incredibly left wing MSM, and the VILE DailyKos, MoveOn, Huffington Post, Code Pink and World Can't Wait crowd.......
H E I S G O I N G T O W I N .

re: #117 yma o hyd

Point is: never give up until the ref blows the final whistle.
A win is a win, even if its hard-fought and not looking pretty, even if the winning points are scored in the last minute.
So keep the faith and keep fighting!

{yma}

McCain looked like a desperate loser. (And I'm voting for him). His internal polling must show him slipping behind. And walking in lockstep with Obama on the economy dooms him. To a voter whose primary interest is not politics, there's not a dime's worth of difference between the two of them. McCain is failing to distinguish himself from Obama on the economy. An honorable loser.

If that's the perception on election day, Obama wins. Jimmy Carter redux.

re: #120 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Just a reminder, Fred was a lawyer long before he was an actor.

well, I like him anyways.......

re: #105 MandyManners

aaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiisssssssshhhhhhhhhhaaa aaaaaaaa

Mandy is practicing lines from "WestBank Side Story"....

I've finally come to face the fact that on January 21, 2009, Obama will be President and we'll have a majority Dem Congress. Maybe the GOP can get back to what it was in '94 when Newt's Contract with America blew the Dems out of the water (and convinced me to re-register).

re: #113 tfc3rid

I'll repeat from the dead thread...

Obama's bothersome/worrisome comments...
1. Healthcare is a right... Ugh... That's a right but not gun ownershiop, right?

Actually Obama did say he thought the second amendment protected an individual right, but he also said he supported the DC Gun Ban and thought the Supreme Court should uphold it, then he said he agreed with their decision to strike it down. I'm not sure Obama knows what the word "right" means.

I turned it off before it was over. I couldn't take it anymore. I hoped McCain would hit it out of the park and really light into Obama. But McCain looked like a robotic bear at the Chuck E. Cheese gone berzerk on stage getting stuck saying "my friends".

re: #97 Ward Cleaver

I've had this strange feeling of deja vu lately, like it's 1976 again. I hope I'm wrong.

Oh, God, no. Not disco again.

Read this

It backs up what I am saying.
McCain is making the point on the economy.
That is the ONLY reason BO started to lead!

Ahhh, gezzz. This looks like a repete of 2000 with McCain and Bush.

McCain just flat ran out of gas. )-:

re: #138 Occasional Reader

Oh, God, no. Not disco again.

I'd go for hot pants again though

re: #124 Macker

You do mean the head between Obama's shoulders, right? OK. Just checking.

Michelle's had his other one framed above the mantle for 15 (or is it 16?) years.

Sarah Palin's recipe for grilled salmon

SWEET AND SAUCY GRILLED SALMON

Recipe by Alaska Fisherman Sarah Palin
Wasilla, Alaska

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1 can (12 oz.) tomato sauce
1/4 cup packed brown sugar
1/4 cup molasses
3 tbsp. ketchup
2 tbsp. apple cider vinegar
2 tbsp. dried minced onion
1 tbsp. Worcestershire sauce
1 tbsp. mustard
1 tbsp. dried bell pepper dices
1/4 tsp. each cinnamon and nutmeg
4 to 6 Alaska salmon fillets or steaks (4 to 6 oz. each)
Blend all ingredients, except seafood, in bowl; let set 10 to 15 minutes. Dip seafood into sauce, then place on hot oiled grill, not directly over heat source (coals or gas). Cover and vent. Cook about 6 to 12 minutes per inch of thickness, brushing with extra sauce, if desired. Do not overcook or burn edges.

Makes 4 to 6 servings.

Also great with Alaska halibut or cod!

re: #106 dentate

The worst moment was when Brokaw asked the two to prioritize three problems, and McCain gave the stupid sophomoric answer "All three!" All three are NOT equal, and he could have SAID that while he would prefer to attack all three at once, he should have declared a priority. That would show the kind of decisiveness that a commander in chief should display.

I cringed when he said that. It reminded me of a Dilbert moment quoted by Scott Adams in one of his books;

A company planner tells his boss that with limited resources, they need to concentrate their efforts on one or two of six important goals.

Boss responds, "Why can't we concentrate our resources across the board?"

In a word, arggghhh.

If McCain continues to sound like that, we are in big trouble.

cheers

eon

Obama's Disqualifier * what needs to happen - but isn't.

re: #135 SFGoth

Shut up! I'm sick of this defeatism. You go ahead and resign yourself. Meanwhile hundreds of thousands of people's small business jobs are at stake. Our national security is at stake. Our children's future is at stake. By all means- give in to defeatism and help fuck your countrymen over.

re: #137 SecondComing

I turned it off before it was over. I couldn't take it anymore. I hoped McCain would hit it out of the park and really light into Obama. But McCain looked like a robotic bear at the Chuck E. Cheese gone berzerk on stage getting stuck saying "my friends".

Oh bullshit.
Obama has a tell when he is lying or doesn't know what he is talking about.

His eyes half close and he starts with the Uhhhs

Oh yeah, maybe the GOP will get rid of that ridiculous open primary thing and perhaps not support nut jobs like Huckabee so much. If Huckabee makes a resurgence over the next four years, the Republican party will go the way of the Whigs.

re: #105 MandyManners

aaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiisssssssshhhhhhhhhhaaa aaaaaaaa

It might be time for a fruit cup.

Obama knew his TV audience (fairly ignorant, and I don't say that as an insult..e.g. I don't know jacks**t about cricket)

He doesn't say the same things to his cronies, i.e. NAACP, etc.. His is not an administration I am looking forward to. Especially along side Pelosi and Reid. Don't look for clean coal, offshore drilling, nuclear, free trade any time soon.
Bush tax cuts will expire. On and on.

But, I still think McCain can win; then look for recounts up the wazoo.

re: #146 Sharmuta

Shut up! I'm sick of this defeatism. You go ahead and resign yourself. Meanwhile hundreds of thousands of people's small business jobs are at stake. Our national security is at stake. Our children's future is at stake. By all means- give in to defeatism and help fuck your countrymen over.

I'm volunteering as much as I can to inform the public about Obama and his shady ties... I'm volunteering as much as my time allows me for the campaign... We cannot have Obama in office... Sadly, though, I do not have the faith in the American people as I once did...

re: #146 Sharmuta

Shut up! I'm sick of this defeatism. You go ahead and resign yourself. Meanwhile hundreds of thousands of people's small business jobs are at stake. Our national security is at stake. Our children's future is at stake. By all means- give in to defeatism and help fuck your countrymen over.

You go girl!
Zogby has him within 1, Hotline within 2 and he has gained 2 in Rassmussen.

But hey, its four weeks away so wahhhh lets all cry like fucking babies and curl up in a fetal position.

re: #140 Dustoff-507

Ahhh, gezzz. This looks like a repete of 2000 with McCain and Bush.

McCain just flat ran out of gas. )-:

it's more insidious than that. The MSM is siphoning McCains gas tank. Case in point. Post debate, an ABC talking head stated that because there were no questions from the audience nor the moderator re: Ayers proves that there is no interest in it

ASSHAT ,,, Browkaw wasn't going to ask, and the audince questions were pre-submitted and chosen by (wait for it0 BROKAWSA STAFF!

re: #7 looking closely

Brokaw sucked, by the way.
Didn't enforce the time limits, or the rules of the debate.

Personally I thought the rules were stupid. What, two minute time limit? They whould try a 10 minute time minimum. Let's get some details and back and forth and see some evidence of thought and command of the issues.

re: #136 Lee Coller

Actually Obama did say he thought the second amendment protected an individual right, but he also said he supported the DC Gun Ban and thought the Supreme Court should uphold it, then he said he agreed with their decision to strike it down. I'm not sure Obama knows what the word "right" means.

A "right" is something he has, and can grant to you, if he so chooses.

Or not, if he'd prefer not to on the grounds that the "right" is Icky In His Sight.

This, BTW, was the definition used by George III of England. It caused a bit of a hoo-haw in 1776 or thereabouts.

cheers

eon

re: #138 Occasional Reader

Oh, God, no. Not disco again.

And Qiana shirts. And Laverne & Shirley.

re: #123 Sharmuta

Maybe we should call the RNC and demand they fight for their candidate, their party and their country.

Absolutely!
Give them hell - they've got to start pulling their weight now!

And I'll be in Pennsylvania, helping with GOP election security on election day. The economy IS the issue, whether we like it or not. The Democrats blame Bush. Bush and McCain remain silent, refusing to defend themselves or their party. Only Rush Limbaugh speaks for us?

I think McCain really doesn't have his ass in gear and is not hitting Obama's most vulnerable points. If the MSM doesn't want to air the stuff, the internet could have been McCain and Palin's best friend.

re: #152 Typicalwhitey

0bama's lying about small business! The liar's going to cost hundreds of thousands of people their jobs! Who's going to bail those people out?!

re: #156 Ward Cleaver

And Qiana shirts. And Laverne & Shirley.

OK, but I want my '70 Torino back!

cheers

eon

I wish the Israel question had been asked earlier.
Did anyone notice how McCain was enthusiastic about supporting Israel, while 0sama, er. 0bama, was almost replying through clenched teeth, thinking "If I say what I really think, I'll lose the Jewish vote, so I'd better give the canned response about Israel being an ally when I hope it gets nuked"?

re: #146 Sharmuta

Shut up! I'm sick of this defeatism. You go ahead and resign yourself. Meanwhile hundreds of thousands of people's small business jobs are at stake. Our national security is at stake. Our children's future is at stake. By all means- give in to defeatism and help fuck your countrymen over.

I just smacked the up-ding button with a carpenter's hammer. Is that why my CRT exploded?

re: #157 yma o hyd

Absolutely!
Give them hell - they've got to start pulling their weight now!

O.K.....this is driving me nuts......How would I pronounce your nic?

Thanks in advance
E_O

What the Campaign Should Do Now

"Barack Obama's Neighborhood"

I like!

Further to my point: Republicans and their supporters should stop whining about the MSM not giving McCain the time of day, or for openly supporting Obama. Forchrisssssake that's what the internet is for.

re: #7 looking closely

Brokaw sucked, by the way.
Didn't enforce the time limits, or the rules of the debate.

And his hairpiece looked like crap.

Every day, in every way, I am getting more and more depressed. A slow, creeping feeling of despair is sapping my life force.

Somehow, McCain just isn't quite getting the job done, and the media is so in the tank for Obama, nothing McCain says or does causes the slightest ripple.

The thought of four years of an Obama presidency gives me nightmares. You know Iran will get the bomb and drop it on Israel, and Obama will send someone to the UN to rap the Iranians on the knuckles for doing exactly what they've been saying they're going to do for years. Any chance of an adequate retirement for Himself and I will fly out the window because Obama will bankrupt the country, not to mention expand the pool of the permanently unemployed-by-choice because unemployment benefits will burgeon. I own a small retail business; I sell books, cross stitch and beading stuff. These are things people buy with their disposable income. If people lose their disposable income, I lose my business and will have to go back to working for someone else -- if I can even find a job at my age.

"My Friends", let me ask you, since Obama always rushes to the moral high ground, isn't it a bit hypocritical that he did not publicly admonish ACORN to quit stealing on his behalf?
McCain should have not only introduced ACORN, but hammered Obamas association with the criminal enterprise. I wouldn't be holding back for 2012 John.

re: #18 Charles

This was supposed to be John McCain's strong suit -- the townhall style debate.

He did not rise to the occasion. I watched it again to see if my initial impression held up -- and it did. He came across as overly rehearsed and nervous, and by the hundredth "my friends" I was ready to put a chair through the TV screen.

Ugh. Barack Obama didn't do very well, either, but McCain was the loser in this one. And it gives me no joy to say so.

I know, Charles, but the questions were very weak . . .

They were obviously the very worst culled from the bunch by Brokaw in an attempt to make The One look as palatable as possible. Nearly impossible in my book, but dang it, Brokaw gave it his best shot.

I'm not a fan of McCain AT ALL. But I think he did better as the debate dragged on . . . and I do mean d-r-a-g-g-e-d.

IMHO, for real undecided voters - not the tools in Luntz's dopey focus groups - McCain's positions on the issues were much more reassuring than those of The One.

In an economy with all of its current twists and spins, I really don't believe undecideds are going to toss the coins they have left on the "hope and change" empty rhetoric of an unknown commodity like Obama.

/my humble 2 cents worth for our Chief Lizard

re: #104 seahag

Perhaps, this isn't the best place for a hatchling to jump in, but I'm so upset that I don't care if I embarrass myself. Thank you, Charles, for letting us view the debate again.

Sadly, I am just as disappointed with John McCain today as I was last night. He seemed old, tired and his breathing sounded labored. I wanted him to annihilate BO, and he didn't do so. BO lied his ass off, as did Biden. I was yelling at the tv for 90 minutes. A disgusting anti-semite, Marxist should not be in the running for POTUS, but I'm very much afraid that barring a miracle, BO will be our next President.

Boo.

re: #146 Sharmuta

Shut up! I'm sick of this defeatism. You go ahead and resign yourself. Meanwhile hundreds of thousands of people's small business jobs are at stake. Our national security is at stake. Our children's future is at stake. By all means- give in to defeatism and help fuck your countrymen over.

Then maybe the GOP shouldn't have nominated McCain? You're sick of this defeatism? I'm sick of nominating has-beens (Dole), gibberers who only want to hear what they want to hear (Bush), and jello (McCain). Guiliani - outsider who can't be tagged with Bush. Romney - outsider who can't be tagged with Bush. McCain? Deep inside and no reform credentials whatsoever and doesn't have the guts to man up against Obama. Way to go GOP. No, I'm not drinking the happy fun kool aid. I'm saying very plainly that if the GOP doesn't get its act together, and soon, it's done for, permanently.

McCain is a terrible debater. When asked what should Americans sacrifice he said gibberish. He should have said, "my friends, we're going to have to give up impulse spending. We're going to have to think about packing a lunch instead of going out to eat at work. We're going to have to bring our own coffee in a thermos instead of spending 3, 4, 5 dollars on fancy drinks everyday. By recognizing that we can't keep living beyond our means, we will be able to make sure we have the basics -- food, clothing, shelter, and enough left over to buy health insurance." He didn't even attack Obama's attack on his plan to tax health care. ?

Judging by the stock market, everyone is going to cash in advance of the BHO presidency...

re: #162 Kosh's Shadow

Never mind the fact that the Obama campaign TOTALLY misled leading Israeli security experts into appearing as though they were pro-Obama in a recent video. Disgusting liars.

Courage and perseverance have a magical talisman, before which difficulties disappear and obstacles vanish into air.
~John Quincy Adams

re: #127 Ojoe

McCain flew attack jets;

he has a sense of timing,

otherwise he would have flown into the ground.

No discouragement here please.

If he loses the election it will be the people's fault not his.

BBL

Well said, Ojoe!

People need to stop being consumers of politics and become producers themselves, acting for McCain/Palin wherever they live and work.

I know many Lizards are doing this already - those who aren't: get cracking!

Did mcCain really say he's gonna buy up all the "bad mortgages" and re-negotiate them so the people can stay in thier houses?

So let me get this right. Let's say I bought a 500K house with zero down. and the house is NOW worth...let's say 400K. So does McCain propose that the 100K loss on the house be shouldered by the mortgage company? Or the government?

WHAT A STEAMING CROCK of SHIT. That ONE statement right there tells you all you need to know about the friggin RINO McCain.

OBAMA in '08!

Republican National Committee

Contact info on the bottom of the page, folks. Give 'em a call, tell them to fight.

re: #161 eon

OK, but I want my '70 Torino back!

cheers

eon

A guy I went to high with had a red Torino with Keystone wheels, jacked up with big meats on the back, that he called The Big Red Machine (he was a Cincinnati Reds fan).

re: #125 Walter L. Newton

I agree with you. Most voters do not try to discover the truth about a candidate, and are completely sucked in by the MSM. Even though I have not posted here, I read what you Lizards have to say every day, and am very appreciative of your insightful, thought-provoking posts.

I will keep fighting for the McCain/Palin ticket to the end, because I don't want to look back and think that I didn't do everything I could to keep BO from winning.

McCain's performance makes me yearn for the days of Bob Dole...

re: #172 SFGoth

GAZE

re: #152 Typicalwhitey

You go girl!
Zogby has him within 1, Hotline within 2 and he has gained 2 in Rassmussen.

But hey, its four weeks away so wahhhh lets all cry like fucking babies and curl up in a fetal position.

Yes, RCP shows an improvement over the past few days. No matter what the MSM says, some real people think McCain won.

I wish McCain would come out and say

If we tax businesses, they raise prices or are less competitive with foreign companies, so they lose business. If we tax individuals, companies have to pay their employees more, so they are less competitive, and it doesn't help the employees.
The only solution is to CUT SPENDING, so we can lower taxes for everyone.

McCain gets it, but he has to get the message out because the MSM and our educational system makes it sound like we can tax the "rich" and "big business" and get free money.

re: #132 quickjustice

His internal polling must show him slipping behind.

I keep hoping that internal polls might be showing something completely opposite, thus explaining McCains unwillingness to attack.

re: #146 Sharmuta

Shut up! I'm sick of this defeatism. You go ahead and resign yourself. Meanwhile hundreds of thousands of people's small business jobs are at stake. Our national security is at stake. Our children's future is at stake. By all means- give in to defeatism and help fuck your countrymen over.

w00t

re: #181 Peacekeeper

YOU!

re: #147 Typicalwhitey

Oh bullshit.
Obama has a tell when he is lying or doesn't know what he is talking about.

His eyes half close and he starts with the Uhhhs

Oh completely. He's a lying POS. I just wanted McCain to nail him and he didn't do that. We still have one more debate to go. I supposed McCain knows more about campaigns than I do. Here's to hoping he has rightly timed strategy to pull this thing off.

re: #172 SFGoth

When asked what should Americans sacrifice he said gibberish.

Which debate were you watching?

re: #131 scottishbuzzsaw

{yma}

{scotti} - you know all about fighting spirit, its in your blood!

re: #106 dentate

The worst moment was when Brokaw asked the two to prioritize three problems, and McCain gave the stupid sophomoric answer "All three!"

That was not the worst. The worst was the "let's have the Treasury Dept. directly buy bad mortgages" idea. Gah, gah, and double-gah.

re: #181 Peacekeeper

McCain's performance makes me yearn for the days of Bob Dole...

By not uniting behind one conservative, we got the candidate we deserved (McCain).

re: #127 Ojoe

McCain flew attack jets;

he has a sense of timing,

otherwise he would have flown into the ground.

No discouragement here please.

If he loses the election it will be the people's fault not his.

BBL

Wait, he is the candidate, in a sense selling his proposed presidency.
He needs to give people a reason to buy & close the sale.
No , if he goes down, he will be responsible in large part

re: #129 tfc3rid

No, it's the fact that we have 2 Senators running for President... I'll bet if we had an Executive (Gov./MAyor) as candidate, we could be more inspired...

1984 was the last time I was truly excited about going to the polls. It's been downhill since then.

Who knows, maybe Obama turns out to be fiscally more conservative than GWB, not by choice but due to the reality of the current economic climate. Let's see Obama (or any other politician for that matter) even attempt to offer 30 billion more taxpayer dollars for AIDS prevention in Africa for example.

Nothing really surprises me now.

re: #190 Occasional Reader

That was not the worst. The worst was the "let's have the Treasury Dept. directly buy bad mortgages" idea. Gah, gah, and double-gah.

I'm not for bailing out deadbeats.

Obama may well win. He is certainly ahead in most polls and the majority of the MSM is beating the victory drum for him non stop. McCain might win in a squeaker too. Either way, judging by what I have seen from the two candidates, we are screwed either way. Obama would just screw us more. McCain has shown a willingness to abandon the right when it suits him politically. That is part of his "maverick" persona. However, for the most part, when he is a "maverick", it's usually to go against the right and side with the left. Not always, but usually. The left never reciprocates when he does that. It's the same when Bush reaches out to the left. They gladly deal with him and then when it's a done deal, they go back to trashing him. For the left, it's only "bi-partisan" when the right gives in to the left, not the other way around.

With that being said, I will still vote for McCain and I hope he wins, but he is not and never was my first choice. In fact, none of the candidates from either party has inspired me lately. You have to go back the man that formed my political beliefs, RWR, to find a candidate I was actually excited about. Time to hold my nose and vote again.....ugh! We have 300+ million people in this country and these two boobs are the best we can do?

re: #172 SFGoth

He should have said, "my friends, we're going to have to give up impulse spending. We're going to have to think about packing a lunch instead of going out to eat at work. We're going to have to bring our own coffee in a thermos instead of spending 3, 4, 5 dollars on fancy drinks everyday.

So, drying up consumer spending will turn the economy around?

re: #188 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Which debate were you watching?

I watched the whole thing via Fox.

Here's what is happening. McCain is trying to get "shot down" over enemy territory so that he can spend the next 8 years in an Obama prison camp and relive the highlight of his youth.

This is painful to watch. That and the god damned market tanking again. Who the hell is manipulating this?

re: #7 looking closely

Brokaw sucked, by the way.
Didn't enforce the time limits, or the rules of the debate.

I loved it when the camera panned catching him napping. His disinterest was apparent.

but i still stand by my prediction of mcCain in an electoral landslide.

My friends.......who the hell advises McCain?

re: #193 mfarmer1

1984 was the last time I was truly excited about going to the polls. It's been downhill since then.

Who knows, maybe Obama turns out to be fiscally more conservative than GWB.

I'll have some of what you're smokin'

/

The One will make GWB look like a tightwad, tax the heck out of ya, and to heap insult on injury, say you're not patriotic enough in wanting to pony up more.

Just think of the popping sound we will hear if Sarah Palin gets to be Vice President. It will be awesome to see the media and LLL go crazy...

re: #146 Sharmuta

Shut up! I'm sick of this defeatism. You go ahead and resign yourself. Meanwhile hundreds of thousands of people's small business jobs are at stake. Our national security is at stake. Our children's future is at stake. By all means- give in to defeatism and help fuck your countrymen over.

Damn straight, and well said!

I've had it with this bullshit defeatism. What the fuck it is with defeatism on the right!?! Why the fuck are we acting like Lions fans, wondering when our team will lose? We have to take back this country from the assholes, like Obama, like Ayres, like Soros, who would destroy it and the principles for which it stands. Enough is enough. We need to band together and remember the spirit of '76, 1776 that is!

re: #135 SFGoth

I've finally come to face the fact that on January 21, 2009, Obama will be President and we'll have a majority Dem Congress. Maybe the GOP can get back to what it was in '94 when Newt's Contract with America blew the Dems out of the water (and convinced me to re-register).

Thats just the attitude the DNC and the B0-campaign and above all the MSM are trying to install in you and all those who share this point of view:
give up, cave in, and let that empty suit triumph.

Is that the spirit with which you beat the Japanese and Hitler?
Is that how you beat Saddam?

Blydi heck, mun - sounds like pre-emptive capitulation to me.
Thats not the way to do it!

Proposed question for the next debate- "Barry, have you ever sought treatment for a mental illness?"

re: #37 bosforus

And didn't Palin say McCain was going to take the gloves off? What happened there?

Palin said the she told him to take the gloves off. If he's not careful, he's going to be field dressed in short order.

On the other hand, I have read compelling arguments that the "town hall" format (not that that's what it was) is not a good environment for hardball. I heard one person say it would be like breaking the china at a banquet you've been invited to.

LIZARDS,, be pro-active
REALCLEAR has Obama up with a +4.7 average. Given the margin of error that could be as little as +1.7. Don't waste your breath (or typing skills) trying to convince Obama supporters their man is a fraud. Go talk to UNDECIDEDS. Convince THEM with your facts. Go talk to people that are on the fence. don't push them, but entice them to our side

re: #146 Sharmuta

Shut up! I'm sick of this defeatism. You go ahead and resign yourself. Meanwhile hundreds of thousands of people's small business jobs are at stake. Our national security is at stake. Our children's future is at stake. By all means- give in to defeatism and help fuck your countrymen over.

Ahem, that should be "and help fuck over your countrymen."

One should never split the phrasal verb "fuck over".

Other than that, Hell Yes!

re: #184 bulwrk

His internal polling must show him slipping behind.

please, no gay references here

re: #201 pat

My friends.......who the hell advises McCain?

The Obama Campaign.

re: #193 mfarmer1

1984 was the last time I was truly excited about going to the polls. It's been downhill since then.

Who knows, maybe Obama turns out to be fiscally more conservative than GWB, not by choice but due to the reality of the current economic climate. Let's see Obama (or any other politician for that matter) even attempt to offer 30 billion more taxpayer dollars for AIDS prevention in Africa for example.

Nothing really surprises me now.

I don't see 0bama being fiscally conservative; he'll try a new "New Deal". Maybe he'll call it what it will be, the New Steal.

re: #75 Charles

These debates have become a strange phenomenon, with audiences instructed to sit motionless and not react -- why have an audience, if they're not supposed to react? -- and moderators who don't moderate, ask weird questions, and never follow up in any meaningful way.

Agreed. It's all very Stepford.

re: #187 SecondComing

Oh completely. He's a lying POS. I just wanted McCain to nail him and he didn't do that. We still have one more debate to go. I supposed McCain knows more about campaigns than I do. Here's to hoping he has rightly timed strategy to pull this thing off.

Reminds me of the Kansas City Chiefs, Do enough to lose by a little.

re: #182 Sharmuta

GAZE

You might want to gaze at the post again.
Read it carefully.
There are a couple of cold hard truths in it.

re: #200 soccerdad

but i still stand by my prediction of mcCain in an electoral landslide.

While I don't share your truly optimistic view, I do believe McCain will win it . . . in a squeaker.

And just think. If McCain wins, Sarah Palin would be only a heartbeat away from the Presidency. Now that's the good part.

re: #196 Occasional Reader

So, drying up consumer spending will turn the economy around?

Now now, OR, self-flagellation works wonders. Give him a break. Let him do it to himself all he wants.

I watched Nicholas and Alexandra right before the debate. I couldn't watch the debate after seeing that movie. Too close to what is going on now for me to watch that movie and then the debate.

re: #196 Occasional Reader

So, drying up consumer spending will turn the economy around?

I know! Let raise taxes on small businesses so they can't afford to keep employees!

re: #196 Occasional Reader

So, drying up consumer spending will turn the economy around?

Don't be an idiot. People should spend within their means on stuff they need first of all. Why don't we just cut interest rates to zero, allow no interest loans so people can afford to buy all kinds of stuff, and the economy will zoom. You are an idiot. The shape of our economy in the short run is irrelevant. We need to fix the foundation and get out the rot. That means a good, old-fashioned recession and a year or two of pain. It's like when that injection of denial wears off and you crash.

re: #198 kansas

Here's what is happening. McCain is trying to get "shot down" over enemy territory so that he can spend the next 8 years in an Obama prison camp and relive the highlight of his youth.

This is painful to watch. That and the god damned market tanking again. Who the hell is manipulating this?

Are you fucking kidding me?

FUCK YOU

re: #198 kansas

Here's what is happening. McCain is trying to get "shot down" over enemy territory so that he can spend the next 8 years in an Obama prison camp and relive the highlight of his youth.

This is painful to watch. That and the god damned market tanking again. Who the hell is manipulating this?

George Soros Obama - with a sprinkle of Schumer.

re: #197 SFGoth

I watched the whole thing via Fox.

You didn't get it, did you.

/no question mark

re: #212 Kosh's Shadow

I don't see 0bama being fiscally conservative; he'll try a new "New Deal". Maybe he'll call it what it will be, the New Steal.

Obamka is a Chicago Machine crook, as well as other things.
Corruption will be rampant.

National polls are one thing but what do the polls look like in Ohio, and Pennsylvania, and Florida, and Virginia? And in what direction are they heading?

re: #209 Kenneth

re: #146 Sharmuta

Ahem, that should be "and help fuck over your countrymen."

One should never split the phrasal verb "fuck over".

Other than that, Hell Yes!

Quite right, and my bad.

I give up

I have looked and looked at the Constitution
and the Bill of Rights

and don't see shit about health care

anyone here better versed in Constitutional law
that could help out here ?

re: #33 StudSupreme

I'm not a paranoid or a conspiracy theorist, but I can't help but feel that a bunch of smug, elitist, demagogic, sanctimonious, narcissistic wealthy liberals tried desperately to pull the wool over my eyes, and have been successful with a majority of my fellow citizens.

All this seems SO BAD on so many levels..................

And not only are these liars, propagandists and con artists going to win, but they're going to have a free hand for years................

It's called a personality cult. Commies like to do this sort of crap. And yes, in this case the conspiracy theorists are right. I don't know who propped this cypher up -- he's certainly done nothing to deserve a job as dog catcher, to say nothing of President of the United States -- but Oprah and her bunch were just the cheerleaders.

I grew up during the 70's. Those were sad times. But this is going to be a lot worse.

Two years, before the floppy-eared fucktard runs the country into the ground and Congress turns solidly R. Then two years of gridlock (which will still be better!). Then... maybe a Reagan. With developments in Russia/Iran/Venezuela/Bolivia and China, we may need a Churchill by that time.

Please, Lord, let these 4 years pass quickly.

It won't be too late until Nov. 5, but I agree that prayers are in order.

re: #173 rawmuse

Judging by the stock market, everyone is going to cash in advance of the BHO presidency...

I went to cash when the market was at 11,400. Course I rode it down from 15,000 and could have bought two Cadillacs.

re: #214 kansas

Reminds me of the Kansas City Chiefs, Do enough to lose by a little.

Unless they're playing the Denver Broncos.
dammit.

Gah

re: #204 Honorary Yooper

Damn straight, and well said!

I've had it with this bullshit defeatism. What the fuck it is with defeatism on the right!?! Why the fuck are we acting like Lions fans, wondering when our team will lose? We have to take back this country from the assholes, like Obama, like Ayres, like Soros, who would destroy it and the principles for which it stands. Enough is enough. We need to band together and remember the spirit of '76, 1776 that is!

Yeah? Really? So why isn't McCain doing it? Oh yeah, he's been in Congress so long if it ain't bipartisan it's bad. Giuliani and Romney wouldn't put up with Obama, so why's McCain?

re: #221 Sharmuta

I know! Let raise taxes on small businesses so they can't afford to keep employees!

I am a small business owner.
And that is EXACTLY what will happen

re: #138 Occasional Reader

Oh, God, no. Not disco again.

If my kids start wearing feathered-back hair I'm throwing them out of the house.

Follow the Money

Yesterday an Obama spokesman corrected himself about knowing the the number of donors and the amount the campaign has received in September.

The Obama campaign knows to the penny how much their donations are, internet sites can give you detailed updates whenever you want, by the minute hour or day. You can even have a ticker that displays total donors and the amounts donated displayed as recieved- given how important that data is and how internet savvy the Obamaites are supposed to be, don't you think someone somewhere has such information displayed in some sealed secret room in the war room?

They know exactly how many donors they have and where they come from. Every computer has a unique IP address and moreover, every computer attached ot the net has a unique IP address that is recorded during 99% of all internet transactions. Given reports of foreign illegal campaign contributions, from Iran, Gaza and Nigeria, you might think that the man who so forcefully said he would do what is necessary to stop Iran's nuclear ambitions might be concerned about taking campaign contributions from unfriendly and even enemy nations. Lastly, the ability to geolocate the IP address of computers has been around for several years, the fact that the Obama campaign can't be troubled to bother taking simple easy steps to prevent illegal contributions from illegal sources indicates they either don't care about the expense of refunding such contributions or tacitly accept them. This is no different than Nixon with his bags of cash in the 1972 election, just updated to modern mechanics of using the internet.

Americans should be utterly revulsed at the thought of enemy foreign nations sending money to influence our election. Much less a candidate who has no moral qualms about taking them.

Who is donating, how much are they giving and why? While the more conspiratorially minded might harbor fantasies of Obama engaged in a conspiracy against the US of A, the far more likely reason for the donations is the enemies of the US have determined that Obama is a surrendurist one-worlder tyro who they can run rings around for 4 years and, if we are unlucky and he gets reelected, 4 years past that. Put it another way, America's enemies do not want John McCain elected, they want Barack Obama and are pumping money into the Obama campaign to effectuate just that result.

There is precedent for this, after the 1996 election, there were a lot of questions about gobs of money from China and Indonesia being sent to help Clinton. 120 people fled the US after the election to avoid indictment and investigation.

Note to the McCain Campaign, why are you not pounding Obama on this illegality and the lame lies covering it up?

Everyone should be listening to Rush right now for some inspiration!

re: #223 Typicalwhitey

Are you fucking kidding me?

FUCK YOU

Fuck me? Why would you want to fuck me? McCain is fucking us all.

Also- I just got off the phone with the RNC. I selected option #2 to speak with the political office. I told them to pick up the fucking slack and they'd be hearing from more people like me.

re: #228 Sharmuta

Quite so. Grammar is always important, especially when cussing.

Maybe someone should hypnotize McCain, so that whenever he sees Obama, he imagines that it's 'Charlie'......

re: #46 xtraBilly

Too bad the mean and sarcastic McCain didn't show up last night. At least it would have kept me watching.

He *did* show up.
At one point he referred to Obama as "that one".

re: #222 SFGoth

Yeah, don't be an idiot!

re: #227 tfc3rid

National polls are one thing but what do the polls look like in Ohio, and Pennsylvania, and Florida, and Virginia? And in what direction are they heading?

not good. Obama is up in all but one swing state (Indiana)

[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

re: #179 Ward Cleaver

A guy I went to high with had a red Torino with Keystone wheels, jacked up with big meats on the back, that he called The Big Red Machine (he was a Cincinnati Reds fan).

Mine was a Brougham GT (rare variant), bored and stroked 391 4-barrel, high stall-speed police pursuit automatic transmission and heavy-duty rear end, in Grabber Blue. McCreary high-speed radials on all four corners with heavy-duty shocks and four-wheel disc brakes.
Nicknamed (not by me) the Millennium Falcon-as per Solo's remark,

She doesn't look like much, but she's got it where it counts.

/could shut down Porsche 911s if they didn't have too much of a head start

cheers

eon

Health, safety and welfare of the citizens are reserved onto the States. Until Roe v Wade that was.

re: #234 SFGoth

Yeah? Really? So why isn't McCain doing it? Oh yeah, he's been in Congress so long if it ain't bipartisan it's bad. Giuliani and Romney wouldn't put up with Obama, so why's McCain?

San Francisco Goth.

MOOOOOBY!

re: #232 jwb7605

Unless they're playing the Denver Broncos.
dammit.

Well maybe on election day McCain will be playing at Arrowhead.

Heh heh heh....we all knew he never quit!

Obama admits bumming cigarettes on the campaign trail

(via HC Forum)

Am I detecting a whiff of Ron Paul?

The market may be toast but the LGF fuck index is spiking.

re: #246 sattv4u2

not good. Obama is up in all but one swing state (Indiana)

[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

Yes and I see those leads increasing... Obama is even averaging ahead in NORTH CAROLINA... Man if that is the case...

re: #242 Kenneth

Quite so. Grammar is always important, especially when cussing.

then "Fuck Though" would be Old English, correct?

If McPain is going to hit 180bama, he better do it at the final debate. I'm thinking maybe he's waiting for the other side to play all their cards, and use the last public show to hammer him.

Either that, or he's going to play nice the whole way through, and drop his end of the load, making Palin shoulder the rest... And then they may well lose.

re: #255 sattv4u2

Fuck Thou, not Though