Charles said it.

Lies, damned lies, and statistics. Nothing to see here. Move along.

Obamastan next stop!

President Obama.

Yikes!

Gallup has been way off the rest for months

Here's the RCP Average nobody else is that far off. But, I am sure it will be spun like crazy now. Most of these polls have McCain gaining, not slipping

How McCain could have won the election last night:

Promise the American people that if he is elected, he will appoint Rudy Giulliani as Attorney General and his first order of business will be to investigate, indict and prosecute all those involved in any wrong doing in the sub-prime mortgage debacle, from Wall Street, to K Street to Main Street.

HT: Reader Gary at The Anchoress

anybody who decided their candidate based on that debate doesn't deserve to vote...

Polls are great predictors, too.

Saw a CNN poll at lunchtime saying that Obama won the debate, 70 to 30.

Make it up by 1000. He won, it's over. He's King of the World. etc. /MSM mass induced hysteria

The debate was sooooo dull everybody skipped and took the MSM's word for it.

At some point though, folks, we have to realize that all of these polls are not necessarily wrong...

As for me, I'm voting McCain and I have never been polled...

It is astounding to me that a Presiential Election between as well-known war hero and long time Senator could lose to a man with little experience, bad connections and no plan...

Of course, all the polls had John Kerry looking like he would win around this time four years ago.

Sorry- but I think it's a crock of shit. I'll wait for Zogby.

re: #14 Ringo the Gringo

Of course, all the polls had John Kerry looking like he would win around this time four years ago.

But what was his 'largest lead'? 6 points?

re: #16 tfc3rid

But what was his 'largest lead'? 6 points?

I don't remember.

As a Lions fan I know what it means to root for a loser
.
I will continue to support McCain Palin to the end and hope for a miracle

A lot of people are mad and they want Obama to come in and tax the sh*t out of those rich bastards.

And they don't think any farther than that.

/I know

Obama 47%, McCain 45%

[Link: www.zogby.com...]

Well, if the polls are horse hockey, then so what?

Better numbers for Obama like this may lull the Dems into a false sense of security... and motivate McCain voters to get out the vote.

re: #13 tfc3rid

It is astounding to me that a Presiential Election between as well-known war hero and long time Senator could lose to a man with little experience, bad connections and no plan...

That's because you are still voting for President. Many people are voting for National Therapist and Nanny. Most patient's don't like the Dr. Phil approach.

If Obama wins, I suspect quite a bit of buyers remorse to follow.

Ok lets look at this.

Zogby Obama +2
Hotline Obama +1
Rassmussen Obama +6
Battleground Obama +4

Gallup Obama +11

Come on

This does not actually include data from AFTER the debate, does it?

Keep it up, Gallup. You're motivating republicans and making 0bamabots feel comfortable enough they might stay home and not work to win this.

re: #20 Sharmuta

Obama 47%, McCain 45%

[Link: www.zogby.com...]

Same as yesterday.

I'm gonna go ahead and call this gallup poll a fluke.

When the market collapsed, so did McCain's chances.

re: #7 zach (the jew) tobias

That was not a debate, it was a chance for the candidates to recycle the same crap they say on campaign stops. The townhall meeting format was not followed. Did Tom Brokaw pick the questions? I wanted a "Pony Tail guy" moment...instead, we got straight forward stuff......boring and more to Obama's advantage. McCain needs to keep hammering Obama and get his base motivated to vote. Offering "free stuff" like Obama does will not help his cause. A liberal will not switch side because of that, but a conservative will wince and think about not even voting if you say that crap enough. If McCain wants to win, he needs to motivate his base to vote: the conservatives. So far, he has not. Only Palin has done that, and that is not enough.

re: #20 Sharmuta

Obama 47%, McCain 45%

[Link: www.zogby.com...]

Zogby's of likely voters. Gallup's of registered voters.

re: #30 MandyManners

Zogby's of likely voters. Gallup's of registered voters.

registered by ACORN

Charles, is this reverse psychology, or are you really in the dumper over this?

For what it is worth, this poll does not take last night's debate into account:

"Nearly all interviews in today's report were conducted before Tuesday night's town hall style debate in Nashville. Any movement in voter preferences as a result of this debate will be apparent in coming days."

re: #28 Peacekeeper

I agree. And if you watch the news you would think the MSM is trying to talk us into a recession.

re: #9 Ward Cleaver

Yeah, but that was such a bogus "poll" -- it's really, really fraudulent...note the disclaimer -- "this is not a scientific poll" -- whenever you read that, you can immediately discount whatever the alleged "poll" tells you.

re: #6 jill e

How McCain could have won the election last night:

Promise the American people that if he is elected, he will appoint Rudy Giulliani as Attorney General and his first order of business will be to investigate, indict and prosecute all those involved in any wrong doing in the sub-prime mortgage debacle, from Wall Street, to K Street to Main Street.

HT: Reader Gary at The Anchoress

This is a pretty good idea. Only problem I see is that Giuliani probably would not do it. He is making a lot of money and not working nearly as hard as he would have to as Attorney General.

October 14-16 Gallup Poll in 2004... Kerry 52, Bush 44...

re: #23 Ringo the Gringo

If Obama wins, I suspect quite a bit of buyers remorse to follow.

A lot of, "WTF did we do?"

re: #32 Ward Cleaver

Charles, is this reverse psychology, or are you really in the dumper over this?

I think he's just posting the info. Passing it along.

re: #35 J.S.

Yeah, but that was such a bogus "poll" -- it's really, really fraudulent...note the disclaimer -- "this is not a scientific poll" -- whenever you read that, you can immediately discount whatever the alleged "poll" tells you.

It just illustrates how useless polls are.

re: #15 Sharmuta

Zogby as a two point difference with a +/- of 2.3....it's a tie. That 11 points from Gallup is crap and should be tossed out of the average. If RCP did that, the actual spread would be 4.4, not the 5.1 they have listed. This race is not over. Polls are not the be all and end all.

Who here has been polled? Not me.

The next few days will show if McCain connected on the economy

My money says he has

I think more people are going to vote for McCain but they are afraid to say it out loud. It's not cool.

Bears repeating--America has had the knack for having the right person at the right time, in any given situation. Even a cursory look through our history will bear this out. The stumbles (Carter) merely point out the correct path to take.

I can see no reason this election should defy that tradition.

re: #37 tfc3rid

Thanks for the context.

Has there ever been a poll that was correct? Seriously.

re: #30 MandyManners

Zogby's of likely voters. Gallup's of registered voters.

Hi Mandy. Hey, why'd you 86 your avatar?

re: #9 Ward Cleaver

Saw a CNN poll at lunchtime saying that Obama won the debate, 70 to 30.

A CNN poll is about as meaningful as an LGF poll. CNN and LGF are equally partisan.

I'm not going to wait for Zogby, Rasmussen, or Gallup to figure out their polls.

I'll wait to see what the only poll that matters says on the evening of November 4 - as our votes get tallied (and hopefully counted correctly). I wont bother watching the exit polls either - except to say that everyone should be sure to vote and don't take anything for granted.

All these polls have something that the actual general elections do not - bias and sample size and all kinds of other factors included in skewing results. Gallup is an outlier here compared to the RCP averages; it could be the result of anything from who they asked, when in the past two days they called, etc., but it may not actually be wrong. They quite possibly got to the results that they wanted.

re: #36 JustMyView

This is a pretty good idea. Only problem I see is that Giuliani probably would not do it. He is making a lot of money and not working nearly as hard as he would have to as Attorney General.

I think he'd be proud to serve this country. You severely misunderstand our side if you think we're just after money and dismiss that we want to keep America great, strong and free.

re: #47 spypeach

Has there ever been a poll that was correct? Seriously.

Zogby.

re: #42 jill e

Who here has been polled? Not me.

I haven't gotten a single call from a pollster or a campaign.

re: #6 jill e

How McCain could have won the election last night:

Promise the American people that if he is elected, he will appoint Rudy Giulliani as Attorney General and his first order of business will be to investigate, indict and prosecute all those involved in any wrong doing in the sub-prime mortgage debacle, from Wall Street, to K Street to Main Street.

HT: Reader Gary at The Anchoress

Not bad. Then Rudy can slap ACORN with RICO. He knows a thing or two about that.

re: #37 tfc3rid

exactly, Gallup should gallop off in the sunset.....either that, or start asking a few more Republicans these questions

I can't find any breakdown of how many declared democrats vs. republicans are included in Gallup. They break it down too much between liberal, moderate, and independents. So I can't tell how they did their poll.

Grr.

re: #51 Sharmuta

I think he'd be proud to serve this country. You severely misunderstand our side if you think we're just after money and dismiss that we want to keep America great, strong and free.

I think Giuliani would take the helm as AG... I recall in reading his book 'Leadership' that he did want that job when he was AG here in the NY District... Work and $$ be damned...

re: #32 Ward Cleaver

Charles, is this reverse psychology, or are you really in the dumper over this?

It's just news, that's all.

But McCain didn't do a very good job last night, in my opinion, and I can't lie about it.

Do I still want him to beat Barack Obama? You betcha. But he has to want it too.

re: #28 Peacekeeper

That runs counter to what those same polls suggest as a tightening of the race since McCain tried to suspend the campaign for the first debate. Other factors - unleashing Palin instead of running away from the issues.

re: #42 jill e

I was polled by somebody two days ago, but they never said who it was...

re: #14 Ringo the Gringo

Of course, all the polls had John Kerry looking like he would win around this time four years ago.

Actually, no Bush led by a small margin almost all the way through October and won by about 2.5%.

re: #50 lawhawk

I'm not going to wait for Zogby, Rasmussen, or Gallup to figure out their polls.

I'll wait to see what the only poll that matters says on the evening of November 4 - as our votes get tallied (and hopefully counted correctly). I wont bother watching the exit polls either - except to say that everyone should be sure to vote and don't take anything for granted.

All these polls have something that the actual general elections do not - bias and sample size and all kinds of other factors included in skewing results. Gallup is an outlier here compared to the RCP averages; it could be the result of anything from who they asked, when in the past two days they called, etc., but it may not actually be wrong. They quite possibly got to the results that they wanted.

Exactly. A sample of 1000 people is a lot less reliable than 110 million people.

re: #57 vxbush

Would that help? I, for example, am a registered Democrat.

re: #56 Desert Dog

exactly, Gallup should gallop off in the sunset.....either that, or start asking a few more Republicans these questions

They will say 'we cannot find any'...

At least McCain has a sense of humor.

re: #48 Ward Cleaver

Hi Mandy. Hey, why'd you 86 your avatar?

It's still there!

Breaking news: Obama still holds 0% support in Kragaristan, Glorious Leader plans to cut all foreign aid from Kragaristan to US in the event of Obama presidency.

re: #64 Last Mohican

Would that help? I, for example, am a registered Democrat.

It would tell me if they're polling 80% democrats and 18% republicans, because that doesn't match the breakdown of the nation between the two.

re: #54 Ward Cleaver

I haven't gotten a single call from a pollster or a campaign.

I have. Depending on who calls, I give em' the answers for the other guy. Don't listen to polls. People like me take the time to fuck them up.

McCain in a landslide. I have never know myself to be wrong.........ever.
(If you don't count my predictions for the Cubs in '69, '84, '98, '03, and '07, '08)

re: #42 jill e

Who here has been polled? Not me.

Only time in years was twice on the night of Gov. Palin's debate. One of the pollsters was my state's Democratic party. They did not like my answers to them, an understatement.

re: #13 tfc3rid

At some point though, folks, we have to realize that all of these polls are not necessarily wrong...

As for me, I'm voting McCain and I have never been polled...

It is astounding to me that a Presiential Election between as well-known war hero and long time Senator could lose to a man with little experience, bad connections and no plan...

Why not? Look at the polls from the last few elections? Look at the stories being spun all the way up to the day of the election. For example.

I'm not merely being pedantic and indulging in wishful thinking or pie in the sky dreaming. I seriously believe that McCain/Palin will win and by a reasonable margin. I think people are not being entirely honest when being polled and when push comes to shove they will, as in my case "pull the lever" for the best of two candidates or in many cases vote for the lesser of two evils. But vote for McCain/Palin they will.

re: #59 Charles

It's just news, that's all.

But McCain didn't do a very good job last night, in my opinion, and I can't lie about it.

Do I still want him to beat Barack Obama? You betcha. But he has to want it too.

We may to have to drag him, kicking and screaming, into the White House.

re: #15 Sharmuta

Sorry- but I think it's a crock of shit. I'll wait for Zogby.

Sincere question. What is it that makes you think Zogby is a more reliable pollster? Is there some kind of record you can point to? Again, serious question.

re: #54 Ward Cleaver

I haven't gotten a single call from a pollster or a campaign.

I get called all the time for some reason. Twice so far for presidential polls and once for a local candidate. The two presidential polls were fairly above-board, but the local one was an especially loathsome push-poll. For example: if I knew Candidate X ate babies, would I be more or less likely to vote for her?

re: #73 Outrider

I pray you are correct...

re: #54 Ward Cleaver

I haven't gotten a single call from a pollster or a campaign.

I got polled a few weeks back. All I got asked was about environmental issues and how they affected my views on the campaign.

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And if you can't multiply two times five, you'll probably thank Google in the morning.
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But you can set up Mail Goggles to protect you from yourself at other emotionally vulnerable times - before your morning coffee, for example, or right after Grey's Anatomy.

Forget the polls. The pollsters will only publish what they want you to see.

re: #57 vxbush

I can't find any breakdown of how many declared democrats vs. republicans are included in Gallup. They break it down too much between liberal, moderate, and independents. So I can't tell how they did their poll.

Grr.

That's the whole idea.

re: #29 Desert Dog

That was not a debate, it was a chance for the candidates to recycle the same crap they say on campaign stops. The townhall meeting format was not followed. Did Tom Brokaw pick the questions? I wanted a "Pony Tail guy" moment...instead, we got straight forward stuff......boring and more to Obama's advantage. McCain needs to keep hammering Obama and get his base motivated to vote. Offering "free stuff" like Obama does will not help his cause. A liberal will not switch side because of that, but a conservative will wince and think about not even voting if you say that crap enough. If McCain wants to win, he needs to motivate his base to vote: the conservatives. So far, he has not. Only Palin has done that, and that is not enough.

I think Obama and his beliefs will motivate the conservative base to vote.

re: #62 JustMyView
Not according to the comment at #37 - Gallup had Kerry way up in the polls.
And what to make of the difference between Zogby and Gallup, other than Z polls likely voters and Gallup polls registered voters?

re: #67 MandyManners

It's still there!

That's weird. All I see is a vertical gray line (if I click on that, I can see the avatar, in your profile information. I see other peoples' avatars. What's up with that, Charles? Firefox 3.0.3.

Actually, this Gallup tracking poll does not yet incorporate any post-debate interviews (they all occurred before the debate last night). As it is a 3-day tracking poll, it will be an approximately 1/3 post-debate sample in tomorrow's poll, and Sat. for a full post-debate sample. Though, at the least, this tracking poll suggests that the Ayers based attacks aren't impacting negatively on Obama as of yet (Rasmussen went down a bit for Obama, Gallup went up, so on balance we might estimate these attacks have not had a real impact one way or another).

re: #75 JustMyView

Sincere question. What is it that makes you think Zogby is a more reliable pollster? Is there some kind of record you can point to? Again, serious question.

Zogby polls likely voters.

For reasons I cannot quite figure out (but could guess), it looks as if Obama is going to be the next POTUS.

I can only hope that this is not true, but if it is, that he is able to do everything he claims to be able to do per foreign policy, and isn't able to succeed in any of his domestic desires.

It is amazing however that after whining about how badly the Government has messed up the economy, that Obama can then suggest that it take over Education, Medical Care, Insurance, and tackle social security.

re: #20 Sharmuta

Obama 47%, McCain 45%

[Link: www.zogby.com...]

From that link:
" but Obama has the edge among independent voters. He leads McCain among independents, 48 to 39%."

This means, clear, plain and simple, that all eforst must go on changing the minds of independent voters - as many have said already on the thread downstairs.

I think a lot of people will change their minds at the polling place. I got to believe there will be a lot of people that will compare the candidates and have an epiphany that 0bama is not the person qualified for the presidency.

re: #66 jill e

With the middle name of Sidney, you'd have to.

:)

Obama is trending downward in all of the other tracking polls.

Gallup is a Registered Voter poll while the others work off of Likely Voter models. Gallup shows sentiment swings, and sentiment (as we all know) is in Obama's corner.

I don't think McCain is done. I think that he may have done better last night than people assume because he may have made inroads with the swing voters. We will have to see.

Part of the media/Obama effort is to drive McCain supporters into a depressed state where they just don't vote. But as the numbers swing and things tighten, you will see sentiment follow.

Obama may have peaked and may have peaked early.

re: #81 buzzsawmonkey

Were the babies regular or extra-crispy? That makes a difference, you know.

Was there a dipping sauce available? If so, what kind?

At a recent family picnic, the election came up. about 10 of my relatives Bush-bashing Kerry-lovers all, said they were voting McCain. Their reasons:

-he's just not ready
-His questionable associates

Even Nobama's McCain as Bush tactic didn't seem to work with this crowd
The see McCain as a RINO, or at least a moderate

re: #25 MrSnuggles

This does not actually include data from AFTER the debate, does it?

No, it's a daily poll based on a three-day moving average. The site says that almost all interviews for the three days worth of data reported today were collected before the debate.

re: #27 astronmr20

Same as yesterday.

I'm gonna go ahead and call this gallup poll a fluke. fraud

Fixed.

Mark Steyn tries to buck up the troops (from the Corner):

Keep your sunny side up [Mark Steyn]

Republicans have cause to be disappointed by last night: As everyone says, Obama wins by not losing. He looks more and more as if he's already the president, while McCain prowling the stage seeking to "connect" looks more and more like Yosemite Sam after the dynamite* failed to go off.

Nevertheless.

Before everyone succumbs to a terminal case of inevitabilititis, it's worth remembering we've been here before. In the last months of the primary campaign, the press kept assuring Hillary fans that Obama's victory was inevitable and the shriller the media Obamaboppers got, the more bluecollar Dems sat on their hands. In the end all the King's horses and all the King's men had to drag the guy across the finish line. You couldn't replay his spectacular victory in slow-motion because it was already slower than any slo-mo technology ever invented.

So we already know there's a huge disconnect between the unstoppable Messianic force promoted by the media and the cooler appraisal by actual voters. What's happened since primary season? The Iraq surge (McCain's unique selling point) is a victim of its own success and has dwindled away to an irrelevant footnote, and the front pages are full of a supposed economic catastrophe which the crude rules of politics suggest any fool should be able to hang on the incumbent.

Yet Obama still can't open up a solid lead. After all, why would record numbers of viewers watch the vice-presidential debate if the election's already over?

Meanwhile, the supposedly damaged Republican brand is proving suprisingly resilient. I see one of the two New Hampshire seats that flipped blue in '06 may return to the red fold next month. Where's the blowout?

(*A lot of the dynamite is well past its sell-by date: Two references last night to Ronald Reagan negotiating with Tip O'Neill. No one remembers who Tip O'Neill is. McCain might as well have been evoking misty watercolor mem'ries of Talleyrand at the Congress of Vienna. Obama, by contrast, is all future - which is understandable, given his past.)

[UPDATE: A reader responds:

Listen, Mark, sunny side up is fine but this one is over easy.]

re: #42 jill e

Who here has been polled? Not me.

Back again .. hey I was going to ask the same question. I have never ever been polled politically so what are the odds of someone of my political position being polled as well? I have no faith in these polls and the uncertainty makes up nearly the difference in many of them. Plus as some have pointed out here these polls can be statistically rigged one way or another, and knowing how the MSM is so in the tank for the O they surely must be rigged in his favor. My neighbor cheered me up a bit the other day, he thinks these polls will swing back in McCain's favor right before the election because these biased pollsters will have to try and gain back some semblance of credibility before the actual numbers come out in the election.

re: #88 MandyManners

Zogby polls likely voters.

And he was the only one that got it right in '04.

re: #88 MandyManners

Zogby polls likely voters.

So they ask people how likely they are to vote, then throw out the ones that say, "not likely"?

re: #75 JustMyView

Sincere question. What is it that makes you think Zogby is a more reliable pollster? Is there some kind of record you can point to? Again, serious question.

The proof is in the pudding.

re: #86 Ward Cleaver

I can see it.

So, these voters actually believe the Obama is going to save our economy with higher taxes and bigger government? Astounding!

BTW, that 8% in 2004 which I quoted earlier, was Likely Voters...

re: #79 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

LOL. Love it - as long as it is an option. It is for that reason why I do not use e-mail to conduct business. It is all snail mail for me. Besides, if you really want to insult someone, or push a point home, you need to spend time crafting your correspondence. E-mail makes people to flippant.

re: #57 vxbush

Any poll which does not include a section discussing methodology (that's how the poll was actually conducted) is -- once again -- not worth the paper it's printed on. It's garbage...(or useful only for partisan spin).

re: #101 Ward Cleaver

So they ask people how likely they are to vote, then throw out the ones that say, "not likely"?

Maybe the first question is whether a person will vote. If not, the call is terminated.

Do they not poll anyone in Texas?

re: #71 calvin coolidge

McCain in a landslide. I have never know myself to be wrong.........ever.
(If you don't count my predictions for the Cubs in '69, '84, '98, '03, and '07, '08)

Gee. I don't know how to take that.

Now I wish christheprofessor was here, because I have a question that I can't answer wrt statistics:

When they give the margin of error as plus or minus 3 points, which does that mean? Let's say the poll gives the numbers as Candidate A, 60%, candidate B, 40%. Then which of the following is true:

A. Candidate A's actual percentage is somewhere between 57% and 63% AND candidate B's actual percentage is somewhere between 37% and 43%

B. Candidate A's actual percentage is somewhere between 58.5% and 61.5% AND candidate B's actual percentage is somewhere between 38.5% and 41.5%

C. If you kept one candidate's percentage unchanged, then the other candidate's percentage can change plus or minus 3 points

I think it means A, but can't recall.

re: #89 WrathofG-d
I hope he CAN'T do everything he wants to do in foreign policy. I'm not thrilled with invading a nuclear armed Pakistan, especially as no government has been able to wrest control of the NW Frontier provinces in oh 500 or so years now.

And I sure don't want Obama running things if Israel gets attacked by Iran or by anyone else for that matter.
But CHARLES is right; McCain has to want it and as I said last night, during the debate, McCain whiffed on several fastballs right down the middle.

Over? Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? It's not over until we say it's over!

re: #100 newsjunkie_ky

And he was the only one that got it right in '04.

I tend not to follow polls but, I recall being bummed out the first week of November 2004.

re: #44 missviolin

I think more people are going to vote for McCain but they are afraid to say it out loud. It's not cool.

Kind of why I believe we don't see many McCain posters in people's yards ... they fear they will just be ripped out by the Obomatons.

Drudge's poll for the debate
MCCAIN 66% 190,663
OBAMA 30% 85,665
NEITHER 4% 12,566

Total Votes: 288,894

re: #112 calcajun

Over? Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? It's not over until we say it's over!

TOGA! TOGA! TOGA!

Ok, so, like, I want to get mad about this, but honestly, I have this odd, haunting suspision that I really should NOT worry about these numbers. I mean, I feel like it's kinda a win-win situation right now (or maybe I am just sickeningly, OVERLY optimistic about this). basically, if McCain wins then, ok, we know that there will be stability (or hope, whatever you're feelings are on him) and we will know that we have someone with experience and integrity in the White house. Now, IF Obama wins this one, trust me, I really think this will be the LAST time we see a liberal dem in the White House, AND (and maybe, again this is me being WAY too optimistic) I think that within 2 years, there will be some kind of shift, maaayyyybe a military coup (lol!) and Obama will be forced to step down for, simply put, treating the US like a bunch of lab rats, or toddlers that needed some kind of weird collective time out...so yeah, we will just have to see, but I am starting to feel less anxiety over all of this (and that is saying a lot).

re: #101 Ward Cleaver

So they ask people how likely they are to vote, then throw out the ones that say, "not likely"?

They go by voting pattern in the past. Did they vote in '04, primary, etc.

re: #6 jill e

How McCain could have won the election last night. Promise the American people that if he is elected, he will appoint Rudy Giulliani as Attorney General and his first order of business will be to investigate, indict and prosecute all those involved in any wrong doing in the sub-prime mortgage debacle, from Wall Street, to K Street to Main Street.

If won't happen. This is PURE PROOF that all of these senators and other politicians are in the bag for special interest, big business and the financial sector.

Both Obama and McCain voted FOR the bailout. Mr. "I never took earmarks" ran back to Washington, spent almost a week there, and what did he do, he went for the bill, lock, stock and earmarks. He got his marching orders while he was in town.

I don't know when we are going to realize that the deck is stacked and we have lost control. We have NO SAY in any of this anymore.

How does it feel to have that shaft up your rear?

It's not that Zogby polls likely voters alone, it's that his polls have been closest to the actual results.

And, no. I won't provide a link for JMV. Go ahead and look up his 2000 and 2004 results yourself as I'm not in the mood to spoon feed today.

re: #115 seekeroftruth

Drudge's poll for the debate
MCCAIN 66% 190,663
OBAMA 30% 85,665
NEITHER 4% 12,566

Total Votes: 288,894

Huh? 190k to 85k?

It now comes out that Obama is/was a member of the New Party, an ultra leftist group whose agenda is to push America into socialism.

#89 WrathofG-d

It is amazing however that after whining about how badly the Government has messed up the economy, that Obama can then suggest that it take over Education, Medical Care, Insurance, and tackle social security.

Which goes to his being a New Party member along with being a dem. If he does reach the WH, then I hope to God that both the Senate and the House are republican.

re: #116 MandyManners

TOGA! TOGA! TOGA!

THEY TOOK THE BAR!

#6:

Yea I listen to O'Reilly's radio show too. Please have the courtesy to give credit when lifting what he says word for word.

Nonetheless, I agree, Giuliani would make a formidable attorney general.

re: #124 taxfreekiller

Charles

Good idea, get it on the record of how many lgf's posters have ever been polled.

Yes ______

No _________

my guess is 80% have not or higher
could be 95% have not, its like that these polls

I used to get polled by Zogby.

re: #121 Sharmuta

It's not that Zogby polls likely voters alone, it's that his polls have been closest to the actual results.

And, no. I won't provide a link for JMV. Go ahead and look up his 2000 and 2004 results yourself as I'm not in the mood to spoon feed today.

You're beautiful when you're mad.

re: #89 WrathofG-d

I can only hope that this is not true, but if it is, that he is able to do everything he claims to be able to do per foreign policy, and isn't able to succeed in any of his domestic desires.

I think he'll have no problem implementing his foreign policy. His domestic agenda will be a different story. I think his socialized medicine plan is unlikely to pass but his other entitlement programs might make it. I think it's likely that many entitlement programs will be put in place as unfunded mandates. Once in place they're very tough to remove or properly fund (see Social Security). He'll have no problem reversing the Bush tax cuts and increasing taxes in general. McCain will even vote for those tax hikes.

re: #125 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

THEY TOOK THE BAR!

What am I?

A GIANT ZIT.

re: #97 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Blaming Gallup doesn't help.

They're not perpetrating fraud. Their whole business is predicated on making the most accurate readings possible. They want to get this right.

Energy spent blaming Gallup is better spent elsewhere.

re: #128 MandyManners

You're beautiful when you're mad.

Aww- thank you.

And BTW- anyone can sign up to get Zogby's online poll.

[Link: interactive.zogby.com...]

re: #113 MandyManners

I tend not to follow polls but, I recall being bummed out the first week of November 2004.

I heard Rush say today that algore was up by 11 at this time in '02. Not sure which poll he cited.

re: #74 Ward Cleaver

We Sarah may to have to drag him, kicking and screaming, into the White House.

fixed

re: #124 taxfreekiller

Charles

Good idea, get it on the record of how many lgf's posters have ever been polled.

Yes XXXXXXX
No _________

my guess is 80% have not or higher
could be 95% have not, its like that these polls

I get polled frequently (although, less frequently recently).
I don't think I've ever been polled by Zogby (I always ask who is conducting the poll)

Boring debate last night, crap poll today. God, let this election be over already! the only question is, do I go to Houston to make money or do I go to Toronto to ask for asylum?

re: #36 JustMyView

STOP speaking for people you "don't" know!

re: #117 buzzsawmonkey

lol, I actually remember that little ditty.errr, uh, ummm, sounds racist to me.

Get this,,,, the election is not going to be won by a picture of someone not named Obama standing on the American flag, or someone not named Obama giving hateful sermons, etc etc etc. And what happened 20 or 30 or 40 years ago doesn't mean a thing. The hoards have a "what have you done for me lately" mentality.

The hoards (not a bad thing) focus on a few key issues they can understand: economy, security, immigration, education, healthcare, social security, national debt.

That's your bread and butter topics.

McCain has failed to connect with the hoards. He's terrible at the debates, and a lot of his positions (like voting for that 700billion bail out) are pathetic and don't help. I think McCain is finished. Unless something dramatic happens in the next few weeks, Obama will be the next president. McCain comes across as too stuffy and old. A Romney Palin ticket could have been more marketable. McCain just isn't the guy to get the job done. I do hope I'm wrong.

re: #111 realwest

As for Pakistan, we should remove their nuclear capability. (if Wrath were POTUS) using covert operations. (and if we could blame it on Iran, even better)

As for McCain, you & Charles are right. There is probably good reason why McCain has NEVER won for POTUS, in the general or primary. How he got this far is still mind boggling for me. As I see it, McCain isn't going to win by showing how great McCain is (as I don't think he is) but instead by showing exactly what it is that Obama says he is going to do, and who he is.

But that being said, I think the general (we want to be Europe) American public, wants a left-wing, radical, no-experience, guy with charisma. Our elections have become nothing more than a "hate the other guy", popularity contest...and Obama is just prettier than McCain.

re: #104 vagabond trader

That is because they have been told the evil rich people and greedy corporations are out to get them and are making their lives suffer. So, by "getting" them, it will bring justice to all. Unfortunately, what they do not tell these simpletons is that rich people (what they call rich) and greedy corporations (their word, not mine) are the ones that make the new jobs, keep the old jobs and make our country run. Place more burdens on the business sector at a time when the business sector is hurting is not only stupid, but right now, with the mess on Wall Street, it is suicidal. I hope they are all smiling and happy about socking it too the rich people as we fly off the cliff.....at least it will be "fair" when we all crash down at the bottom

re: #51 Sharmuta

I think he'd be proud to serve this country. You severely misunderstand our side if you think we're just after money and dismiss that we want to keep America great, strong and free.

I don't doubt at all that there are many who would be honored to serve in a McCain administration. I just doubt that Giuliani would want to become Attorney General at this stage of his life. He has other fish to fry. it's a guess. Just how I see things.

If you had purchased $1,000 of Delta Air Lines stock one year ago, you would have $49 left.

With Fannie Mae, you would have $2.50 left.

With AIG you would have less than $15 left.

But, if you had purchased $1,000 worth of beer one year ago, drunk all the beer, then turned in the cans for aluminum recycling REFUND, you would have $214 cash.

Based on the above, the best current investment advice is to drink heavily and recycle.

re: #125 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

THEY TOOK THE BAR!

My wife took a call from a pollster Tues.. afternoon.
And we're in Utah for cryin out load!
Strictly an " O" Or Mc Cain poll!

re: #140 taxfreekiller

How many of you have been polled in 2008

Yes _____

No _______

I was polled on LGF- does that count? ;)

re: #50 lawhawk

I'm not going to wait for Zogby, Rasmussen, or Gallup to figure out their polls.

I'll wait to see what the only poll that matters says on the evening of November 4 - as our votes get tallied (and hopefully counted correctly). I wont bother watching the exit polls either - except to say that everyone should be sure to vote and don't take anything for granted.

All these polls have something that the actual general elections do not - bias and sample size and all kinds of other factors included in skewing results. Gallup is an outlier here compared to the RCP averages; it could be the result of anything from who they asked, when in the past two days they called, etc., but it may not actually be wrong. They quite possibly got to the results that they wanted.

Thanks lawhawk, I feel better already. Like I said the pollsters will need to regain their cred before the actual vote. I see Instapundit is linking to you quite a bit, congratulations. I figure you must have met him at some point.

re: #140 taxfreekiller

How many of you have been polled in 2008

Yes _____

No _______

Not I.

re: #140 taxfreekiller

How many of you have been polled in 2008

Yes _____

No ___X____

re: #130 MandyManners

What am I?

A GIANT ZIT.

I was at a play last week and sat next to "Niedermayer." I spent more time going over lines from Animal House in my head than watching the play.

re: #122 MandyManners

Huh? 190k to 85k?

That's where his poll stood as of 9:30 this morning. I sent it on to someone who was getting depressed about all these stupid polls.

re: #143 JustMyView

And I think you have a skewed way of seeing things.

Read the Republican platform yet?

I, for one, welcome our new Muslim overlord.

Best Regards,

e

.::.

It's registered, not likely voters. The polls with likely voters are much closer. Still, McCain is tumbling and better snap out of it soon.

Things don't look good, but I'm not giving up until NBC declares the race for Obama at 4 pm on Election Day.

re: #131 Cognito

I don't waste one milligram of energy thinking about Gallup, I just ignore them.

re: #146 Sharmuta

Hell, I can't even get a date.

re: #140 taxfreekiller

How many of you have been polled in 2008

Yes _____

No _______

Twice

re: #152 Sharmuta

And I think you have a skewed way of seeing things.

Read the Republican platform yet?

Does it have pictures?

re: #140 taxfreekiller

How many of you have been polled in 2008

Yes _____

No _______

Not polled.

re: #140 taxfreekiller

How many of you have been polled in 2008

Yes ___X__

No _______

Well, Limbaugh started his show today, while commenting on last night's debate, that "we will need to drag McCain over the finish line."

I think it's time to start working hard ourselves on getting McCain and Palin to look good and to expose Obama and his cronies for what they really have been doing,

Hmmmm... Can LGF and/or the Pajama Media bunch start their own 503 and begin making TV ads and stuff? Or is it to late to start a new 503?

re: #158 MandyManners

Does it have pictures?

LMAO!

Final 2004 polls before election from Real Clear Politics

re: #144 jill e

If you had purchased $1,000 of Delta Air Lines stock one year ago, you would have $49 left.

With Fannie Mae, you would have $2.50 left.

With AIG you would have less than $15 left.

But, if you had purchased $1,000 worth of beer one year ago, drunk all the beer, then turned in the cans for aluminum recycling REFUND, you would have $214 cash.

Based on the above, the best current investment advice is to drink heavily and recycle.

I do both. Oddly enough, my 401 hasn't suffered of late, either.

re: #150 Creeping Eruption

I was at a play last week and sat next to "Niedermayer." I spent more time going over lines from Animal House in my head than watching the play.

The real McCoy?

re: #123 ladycatnip

The fact that McCain refuses to address how blatantly socialist Obama is, or distance himself from Bush (who Obama really believes he is running against) shows to me that McCain really just doesn't want to win.

If you look at [Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

you could see polls from +1 to +6. Only Gallup is 11.

Any way I am in pessimist mode

As I've repeatedly said (to many LGF sceptics) Gallup has been completely infiltrated by Princeton libs. It may as well be the NYTimes

re: #153 eolon

I, for one, welcome our new Muslim overlord.

Best Regards,

e

.::.

I just picked up a sweet deal on a Freehold from this guy named Farnham.

re: #151 seekeroftruth

That's where his poll stood as of 9:30 this morning. I sent it on to someone who was getting depressed about all these stupid polls.

Was there a RON PAUL option? Isn't it accurate without one.

re: #23 Ringo the Gringo

If Obama wins, I suspect quite a bit of buyers remorse to follow.

You think that but I imagine the basic simplistic excuse will be that whatever trouble befalls a President Obama is a result of the "execrable" George W. Bush Administration that preceded.

re: #154 JammieWearingFool

I thought they already declared Obama the winner? Chuck Todd calls the race for Obama

The polls are crap.

'02 and '04 come to mind.

re: #23 Ringo the Gringo

If Obama wins, I suspect quite a bit of buyers remorse to follow.

They'll be looking to Jeb Bush to save them ... Could be funny, if it weren't so tragic.

re: #144 jill e

If you had purchased $1,000 of Delta Air Lines stock one year ago, you would have $49 left.

With Fannie Mae, you would have $2.50 left.

With AIG you would have less than $15 left.

But, if you had purchased $1,000 worth of beer one year ago, drunk all the beer, then turned in the cans for aluminum recycling REFUND, you would have $214 cash.

Based on the above, the best current investment advice is to drink heavily and recycle.

I'm on board.

If McCain is truly trailing in the polls, then it's because of lack of enthusiasm from conservatives. We will vote for him but we don't want to talk about it.

re: #136 descolada9

Boring debate last night, crap poll today. God, let this election be over already! the only question is, do I go to Houston to make money or do I go to Toronto to ask for asylum?

What's the matter with Amsterdam? That way when you return to the United States you'll feel right at home..
/

Oh crap guys I was completely wrong...

Oct 14-16 Gallup in 2004 had BUSH ahead 52-44%

It ain't over till it's over...................

I don't care what polls say...................

I am going to the polls and voting for the right person...........

And Obama isn't in the running for that honor.

Did anyone hear this? Nancy Pelosi says congress may need to ADD to the package by the end of year! another 150 BILLION?!?!?!?. WTF? How are these Dems keeping a straight face?

re: #140 taxfreekiller

How many of you have been polled in 2008

Yes _____

No ___X____

But, I am never home and if it says "unknown or blocked", they get to talk to my answering machine

Not to make it even more dire, but these polls aren't counting the dead voters for Obomba, yet. Nor the stuffed ballots. I fear that the Obomba rats are going to be allowed to steal the election right out in the open. And if he wins, they'll be engaging in this sort of mischief for the next four years to squelch any opposition to Obomba. But only four years. He will be so despised within his first year that a second term will be a bad joke. It will be impossible to steal that many votes.

re: #175 TN_Vol

I'm on board.

At 5:30pm...........*hickup*

re: #112 calcajun

Over? Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? It's not over until we say it's over!

Hmmmmm.... looks like MrSnuggles (who dinged this one) doesn't recognize a goofy, classic movie line when he sees one. :P

re: #176 spypeach

If McCain is truly trailing in the polls, then it's because of lack of enthusiasm from conservatives. We will vote for him but we don't want to talk about it.

We seem to have misplaced the fire we felt after the Palin announcement.

Well- if we're not fired up about voting for McCain, perhaps we could at least get fired up about fighting against 0bama.

re: #52 buzzsawmonkey

I do not participate in polls. I did once or twice--and found that the questions were phrased in ways that did not permit of a coherent or honest answer. Anyone who calls me trying to elicit polling information gets hung up on. And any party operative who calls me to ask how or for whom I'm voting--as some have--gets a lecture on the meaning of the term "secret ballot."

i've been called three times asked for my choice -- twice by campaigns and once by a local high-school kid claiming she was doing a class project.

None of them were "push-polls" of the sort you allude to (in the past I have received push-polls for local elections -- ugh).

re: #126 Darth_K

#6:

Yea I listen to O'Reilly's radio show too. Please have the courtesy to give credit when lifting what he says word for word.

Nonetheless, I agree, Giuliani would make a formidable attorney general.

She did give an HT to where she found it. She did not claim ownership.

Maybe you could use the reply or quote feature here to avoid us having to scroll up for over a hundred comments?

re: #100 newsjunkie_ky

And he was the only one that got it right in '04.

Here's a rundown of who got what right in polling.

Zogby was close, but he wasn't alone. The results might actually surprise.

re: #165 MandyManners

The real McCoy?

Yup. He runs/ran a restaurant here and must still be active in acting. My wife and I saw him in a play about Leopold and Loeb.

re: #131 Cognito

You are right, but you are also wrong. At this point in the election, polls exist not to reflect reality but to impact reality. As the election gets closer the polls will become more realistic but that is not without impact from the phony polls that we are seeing now.

re: #170 MandyManners

Was there a RON PAUL option? Isn't it accurate without one.

LOL Maybe that's why the polls are all off kilter!

re: #59 Charles
Um Charles - according to your link this was NOT a post debate poll - it was done prior to the debate last night.
Next time Gallup publishes one, it'll have Obama up by 17%.
And it's manifest to me that NO ONE from the McCain campaign has been reading us; not bragging, but you and commenters out here yesterday had the right tactics for McCain to use: really tie Obama into Fannie/Freddie; the CRA (which created the Sub-Prime mortgage market in the first place) and ACORN; and his weakness in foreign policy especailly regarding Israel and Pakistan.
John McCain did not appear to me to be a candiadate who WANTED to win that "debate" last night.

re: #44 missviolin

I live in Seattle, and I would put up signs and stickers, but I'm afraid I'll get a rock through a window, or have my windshield broken; other people don't want any McCain stuff on their lawns because they fear being targeted. There are BHO signs everywhere; at the same time, co-workers identify themselves as for McCain, like we're a secret society in hostile territory.
Which I guess it is.

re: #190 Creeping Eruption

Yup. He runs/ran a restaurant here and must still be active in acting. My wife and I saw him in a play about Leopold and Loeb.

A comedy?

*whack*

re: #144 jill e

If you had purchased $1,000 of Delta Air Lines stock one year ago, you would have $49 left.

With Fannie Mae, you would have $2.50 left.

With AIG you would have less than $15 left.

But, if you had purchased $1,000 worth of beer one year ago, drunk all the beer, then turned in the cans for aluminum recycling REFUND, you would have $214 cash.

Based on the above, the best current investment advice is to drink heavily and recycle.

Jill, do you post anything that is of you own composition? You just keep clipping and pasting and not even attributting the original authors. That's not right.

re: #189 lawhawk

Here's a rundown of who got what right in polling.

Zogby was close, but he wasn't alone. The results might actually surprise.

Interesting. Any results from Pew lately?

re: #24 Typicalwhitey

Ok lets look at this.

Zogby Obama +2
Hotline Obama +1
Rassmussen Obama +6
Battleground Obama +4

Gallup Obama +11

Come on

Gallup just hopes if they say it enough.....it will come true. After studying a few of polls the other night and how they are done....I think they are trying to convince people to vote for "that one". They are hoping that by making him look like he is winning then some of the undecided will look at these polls and say well if so many people think he is the best then I will go with the pack and vote for him, also. What you would maybe call a "push poll". ......... That is just my view on the whole polling issue.

re: #192 seekeroftruth

LOL Maybe that's why the polls are all off kilter!

Could be.

My belief is that the 15 page "contract" the two campaigns made before the debate even started ensured that the American electorate lost the debate last night.

Debate contract I'd like to see:
The candidates will discuss each issue between themselves for a 10 minute maximum for each issue. The debate moderator will step in when he sees fists being formed.
Immigration
National Security
Welfare
War on Terror
Russia
Iran

re: #189 lawhawk

Here's a rundown of who got what right in polling.

Zogby was close, but he wasn't alone. The results might actually surprise.

Zogby had Kerry pulling ahead just days before the election. John Zogby posted a letter saying he thought he saw a trend. More like he tried to creat one.

To be fair to Gallup, they did have Mac up 54-44 in a one day poll back in September.

re: #191 MrSnuggles

You are right, but you are also wrong. At this point in the election, polls exist not to reflect reality but to impact reality. As the election gets closer the polls will become more realistic but that is not without impact from the phony polls that we are seeing now.

No doubt there are phony polls -- push polls, party polls, and all the rest. But Gallup uses sound methods, and like I said, their whole company lives and dies by the accuracy of their polling. Not just on politics, but on all sorts of data, every day of the year.

Here is the note I just sent to the McCain campaign:

Senator McCain, why are you not doing everything you can to keep Obama out of the White House? To many, it appears you are giving it up to this two-bit Chicago socialist.

I don't get it.

Many of us are volunteering at your HQ around the country, taking time away from our families and businesses. Many of us talk to our freinds and neighbors and undecided voters on your behalf. We try to buck up so many downright discouraged GOP voters.

Sir, many are discouraged because you show more fight against your party than you do against a man who would destroy all that America stands for.

For heaven's sake, this is not a debate on the Senate floor. This is war.

Thank God for Governor Palin. She's the one out there doing the necessary fighting for us on the national scene. I suggest you do the same.

You made your reputation as a tough American hero - which you undoubtedly are.

Well, sir, it's time to fight your biggest fight yet - for the future of the United States. The country you said you fell in love with while in the Hanoi Hilton for so many years.

Will you put "Country First" and DO EVERYTHING YOU POSSIBLY CAN to keep Obama away from the Oval Office?

America is counting on you.

If you put everything into this fight and annihilate Obama, you will be seen as the man who saved this country from socialism.

If you put everything into this fight and lose, no one can fault you. You will have done everything you could

However, if you keep on this meandering path of not wanting to take on this punk when you meet him face-to-face - and yes, I call him a punk for what he wants to do to this county - then Americans can and WILL fault you as they rightfully should for contributing to the downfall of the United States.

The stakes are that high.

Thank you.

I know it was harsh and perhaps overly dramatic.

I do believe McCain can win this. But as I said, he has to put everything he's got into it.

re: #194 redmirabai

I live in the most conservative part of the Phoenix area in McCain's home state, and I will not put anything political on my car...the last time I did that, a Bush 2000 sticker, my car got keyed.....so, sorry John, just a simple US flag is all that will adorn my car

re: #103 AmeriDan

I can see it.

I can see it in IE7, but not in Firefox 3.0.3. If I right-click on the gray line in Firefox, then select "View Image", I get a "File not found" page.

re: #194 redmirabai

I live in Seattle, and I would put up signs and stickers, but I'm afraid I'll get a rock through a window, or have my windshield broken; other people don't want any McCain stuff on their lawns because they fear being targeted. There are BHO signs everywhere; at the same time, co-workers identify themselves as for McCain, like we're a secret society in hostile territory.
Which I guess it is.

I was having dinner with a guy the other night who related a story about a neighbor of his who put up a huge McCain sign. It was vandalized. The next day he put up another with an attached note that said that every time someone damaged his sign, he was going to donate $100 to the campaign.

The Gallup poll is notoriously volatile and unreliable.

OT lizards, but.... does anyone know if the LGF comment widget is still available? And how the @#$@ do I make it cooperate with Blogger?

re: #193 realwest

Um Charles - according to your link this was NOT a post debate poll - it was done prior to the debate last night.

Yeah, I changed the title as soon as I realized that.

re: #195 MandyManners

A comedy?

*whack*

. . . because it is such a hilarious topic.

Schumer rips Chamber of Commerce

DSCC Chairman Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) came out swinging Wednesday against the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, saying the business lobby was no longer nonpartisan and “has turned into a wing” of the GOP.

In a press conference at Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC) headquarters, Schumer said the path and pattern of the contributions indicate that the Chamber is afraid of the Democrats winning the critical Senate threshold of 60 seats — a goal he said is within reach now more than ever.

Maybe if the donks were more business friendly and economically responsible, they would get more support.

Live feed from CNN (sorry) on John and Sarah's rally in Bethlehem, PA. Saw it posted on the PUMA site, hillaryclintonforum.net, and couldn't find a link to it on Fox.

Their bus is pulling in now.

Bethlehem Event

re: #54 Ward Cleaver

Nor have we, and compared to the last election, it seems that there are far fewer phone polls.

/Maybe they couldn't find anyone who speaks English to do the job, or answer the questions.

re: #89 WrathofG-d

For reasons I cannot quite figure out (but could guess), it looks as if Obama is going to be the next POTUS.

I can only hope that this is not true, but if it is, that he is able to do everything he claims to be able to do per foreign policy, and isn't able to succeed in any of his domestic desires.

It is amazing however that after whining about how badly the Government has messed up the economy, that Obama can then suggest that it take over Education, Medical Care, Insurance, and tackle social security.

Read his Blueprint for Change. Who the hell is going to pay for all those new Federal departments and progams? Provide every American Broadband access? Forgive student loans for public defenders? Support a Global Education Fund? Open America Houses in all Islamic Countries (fresh targets)? Add 65,000 soldiers and 27,000 Marines (back to 1989 levels?)? Create an Information declassification center? Recruit "hundreds of thousands" of teachers and principals? Provide pay raises for teachers and principals? Pay tuition for students going into teaching? Create a classroom corps? huh? Double funding for after school programs? Create 5 million green-collar jobs? Create a Cabinet level Climate Change position with Al Gore as head? Invest $10 Billion a year in clean technologies fund? Revitalize inner cities? Appoint director of Urban policy? Build a new system of levees in New Orleans? Invest $60 Billion in infrastructure? Create a Youth Service Corps? Expand Civilian Service Corps? (last two become federal employees for benefit purposes) Create a cabinet level position on Cyber-Security?

So. Where is all this $$$ coming from?

re: #206 Ward Cleaver

I can see it in IE7, but not in Firefox 3.0.3. If I right-click on the gray line in Firefox, then select "View Image", I get a "File not found" page.

Sounds like a cache problem. Try clearing the cache.

re: #20 Sharmuta

Obama 47%, McCain 45%

[Link: www.zogby.com...]

I have to say, when others become dismayed or down you are out there fighting the good fight - every time. I am impressed.

I also still have hope. It is easy to be a pessimist right now. But like most people with hope, I still think this is the one election where people talking to pollsters are not being candid.

The only poll that matters is the one on Nov. 4.

From October 1 from Pew:

obama 49%
McCain 43%

re: #185 NomadOfNorad

Sorry, but that line has been used WAY WAY WAY too much over the last few days.

re: #124 taxfreekiller

Charles

Good idea, get it on the record of how many lgf's posters have ever been polled.

Yes ______

No _________

my guess is 80% have not or higher
could be 95% have not, its like that these polls

Hey, I like that idea. That way I could get some idea of how many people who so closely share my political and moral beliefs may actually be represented in these polls (oh and hey you trolls are excluded from that statement)

Obama in last night's debate:

That's what we've been doing over the last eight years and that has actually made us more safe.

Does anybody care to explain what Obama meant?

Is he buying into Bush's arguments?

re: #42 jill e

Who here has been polled? Not me.

I'm on the gallup panel but they only contact me once a month at most. I haven't voted in a gallup poll in the last couple of weeks.

re: #141 WrathofG-d
Well the only disagreement I have with your post is the idea that we could use "Special Ops" to take Pakistans' nuclear arsenal.
Contrary to what Senator Obama apparently thinks, as disorganized politically as Pakistan IS, it's Military and the damned ISI aren't stupid - I'd bet aftet last nights debate - or certainly before January 20. 2009 should Obama win, we'd need the 82d Abn to grab those nukes, IF WE COULD FIND THEM.
As I said I agree with all of

As for McCain, you & Charles are right. There is probably good reason why McCain has NEVER won for POTUS, in the general or primary. How he got this far is still mind boggling for me. As I see it, McCain isn't going to win by showing how great McCain is (as I don't think he is) but instead by showing exactly what it is that Obama says he is going to do, and who he is.

But that being said, I think the general (we want to be Europe) American public, wants a left-wing, radical, no-experience, guy with charisma. Our elections have become nothing more than a "hate the other guy", popularity contest...and Obama is just prettier than McCain.

Lots can happen in the next four weeks.

We just don't know who the winner will be on 11/4.

re: #212 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Schumer is also trying to create a tsunami of bad credit in student loans too. There's a reason that tuition costs have swelled - all too available federally subsidized student loans that hide the real costs to taxpayers and the students, and which are nothing more than a subsidy to colleges and universities across the country.

re: #218 Alouette

The only poll that matters is the one on Nov. 4.

Word.

re: #217 wright1

We have 5-7 million PUMAs on our side. There is reason to stay hopeful.

re: #194 redmirabai

I hear and sympathize with you on that. I'm about 100 miles west of you, and it can be physically dangerous to support Republican candidates. Our state has a history of this, the IWW and Wobblies were big here and it led to bloodshed several times in the past.

re: #217 wright1

I have to say, when others become dismayed or down you are out there fighting the good fight - every time. I am impressed.

I also still have hope. It is easy to be a pessimist right now. But like most people with hope, I still think this is the one election where people talking to pollsters are not being candid.

Yeah, she would have made a good soldier. No quit to her.......unlike some others that cut and run when things "look down".

Tony Romo voted 8 times in this poll.

ACORN at work.

re: #194 redmirabai

I live about 10 miles north of Seattle in Snohomish county, there are several McCain signs in my neighborhood and even more Rossi signs. Even if McCain loses, at least Rossi is going to win, I'm pretty damn sure of that.

re: #223 Shanimal1918

I'm on the gallup panel but they only contact me once a month at most. I haven't voted in a gallup poll in the last couple of weeks.

Well, get in there! GET POLED!

I don't know how the heck these pollsters do it. I spent over two hours on the phone yesterday at the Republican office making phone calls. Not one person I called would answer any questions. Most of the time I got answering machines, and the only people I got on the phone refused to answer even a single question.

Granted I was calling during the day when most folks are out. I just left messages on answering machine to support McCain/ Palin.

But in the experience of everyone making the calls, almost no one would answer any questions at all.

I am sure these polls are utterly worthless. The most we accomplished was striking wrong numbers from the list.

re: #220 MrSnuggles

Sorry, but that line has been used WAY WAY WAY too much over the last few days.

There's such a thing as way too much?!?!? :D :D :D :D :D :D

re: #204 Desert Dog

I live in the most conservative part of the Phoenix area in McCain's home state, and I will not put anything political on my car...the last time I did that, a Bush 2000 sticker, my car got keyed.....so, sorry John, just a simple US flag is all that will adorn my car

Three McCain signs out front on my farm.
6 dogs.
I DARE anyone to mess with my signs.
One word from me and my very, very loyal dogs will consider me in danger.
They better be extremely fast runners LOL

re: #222 nacazo

Obama in last night's debate:

That's what we've been doing over the last eight years and that has actually made us more safe.

Does anybody care to explain what Obama meant?

Is he buying into Bush's arguments?

Why is the argument about how we have been safe after 9/11 NEVER MADE?!?

re: #233 MandyManners

Well, get in there! GET POLED!

Too much material there. Where to begin . . .?

re: #57 vxbush

I can't find any breakdown of how many declared democrats vs. republicans are included in Gallup. They break it down too much between liberal, moderate, and independents. So I can't tell how they did their poll.

Grr.

I believe they are simply sampling the population. That is, there is no stratification based on political affiliation. If that's correct, that would mean that the results simply represent the views of the population.

A poll about polling polls:

Have you been polled about polls?

Yes _____

No _____

Polling poll, polly polly poll, polled pollment poll pollesque, good golly miss polly.

Thank you.

re: #213 Spellcheck
Looks pretty good to me! I hope we get Pennsy

re: #226 lawhawk

Unfortunately, that's not good news to someone who's likely to take up graduate studies Stateside while also starting from financial scratch.

re: #156 MandyManners

Hell, I can't even get a date.

I'm free this weekend. ;)

re: #237 wright1

Why is the argument about how we have been safe after 9/11 NEVER MADE?!?

I agree... It's a no-brainer winner for the GOP....

#126 Darth_K

#6:

Yea I listen to O'Reilly's radio show too. Please have the courtesy to give credit when lifting what he says word for word...

She did give credit if you read her post again - she HT'd Gary S. from the Anchoress, which happens to be a magnificent blog.

re: #238 Creeping Eruption

Too much material there. Where to begin . . .?

0oops.

I'll just stay depressed. Don't anybody dare come near me. :(

re: #216 Charles

Sounds like a cache problem. Try clearing the cache.

Okay, I'll try that. It just seems weird that hers is the only one that doesn't display. It's almost... sinister.re: #231 shanester

Tony Romo voted 8 times in this poll.

ACORN at work.

After which he threw an interception in the end zone.

re: #228 Sharmuta

I wish we had more hard data on that but I accept what you say may be true.

re: #237 wright1

Why is the argument about how we have been safe after 9/11 NEVER MADE?!?

Well McCain is trying to distance himself from Bush. But it seems that Obama is making that argument, I quote again from the Obamessiah:

That's what we've been doing over the last eight years and that has actually made us more safe.

Glenn Beck says what was discussed last night, by both candidates, was the fact that "we are going to hell in a handbasket."

The only thing they were debating was on the size of the handbasket.

Spot on.

re: #181 Bos2112

Did anyone hear this? Nancy Pelosi says congress may need to ADD to the package by the end of year! another 150 BILLION?!?!?!?. WTF? How are these Dems keeping a straight face?

Yep, and the dimocrats, including Obama last night, blame Bush for turning (non-existent) surplusses as far into the future as the eye could see into deficits.

Not a friggin' DIME gets spent without congressional approval.

re: #216 Charles

Sounds like a cache problem. Try clearing the cache.

I had something similar happen on my local web site.
3/4 of my random photos came up as hash or an empty image.
Clearing the cache didn't help. I tried three times, before and after quitting FireFox.
I cleared one last time, and rebooted. That fixed the problem, and I have no idea why. It behaves a lot like FireFox doesn't really "clear the cache" completely until restart happens.

I've got my local site set as my home page, so I probably had gazillions of cached images, which I get at 100+ MB/sec locally.

re: #194 redmirabai

I live in Seattle, and I would put up signs and stickers, but I'm afraid I'll get a rock through a window, or have my windshield broken; other people don't want any McCain stuff on their lawns because they fear being targeted. There are BHO signs everywhere; at the same time, co-workers identify themselves as for McCain, like we're a secret society in hostile territory.
Which I guess it is.

I live in a wealthy liberal neighborhood where Obama signs pepper the yards as far as the eye can see.

I have an American flag on my pole, a McCain/Palin sign in my yard, a McCain bumper sticker on my car... and a Son in Service banner on the front door.

Bring it, bitches.

On second thought, NJ doesn't charge a deposit on beer, so I've come out even on that. Although I do bring my own beer with me to Massachusetts then manage to get money back for recycling, so I come out drunk and a little bit richer.

Sarah on Fox now.

Algore was up 11 on Bush in 2000 at this point.

The only thing that is important is what happens on November 4. We can either fight or bail out and let a socialist (or worse) get into power.

McCain may not be our first or even best choice, but he has a tiger by his side with Governor Palin. Let's fight for the ticket.

Anyone listening the huge cheering of Palin on Fox? This is Pennsylvania.

A Gloom and Doom prediction. If Obama wins and the dems increase their seats in Congress, there will be no elections in 2012. There will be either an actual financial collapse or some other trumped up emergency that will "force" the elections to be suspended. Only a military coup will save this democracy.

re: #120 Walter L. Newton

I don't know when we are going to realize that the deck is stacked and we have lost control. We have NO SAY in any of this anymore.

How does it feel to have that shaft up your rear?

It doesn't feel good at ALL!
Shamnesty issue, we all called, emailed, etc.
They didn't listen, they just put it on the back-burner.(like we'd forget and they'd try again later)
Bailout Rescue issue, we all called, emailed, etc.
They didn't listen. Doesn't mean I'm gonna stop trying, because I know they won't.

They are going NUTS in PA for Palin right now!

re: #147 turn

Thanks lawhawk, I feel better already. Like I said the pollsters will need to regain their cred before the actual vote. I see Instapundit is linking to you quite a bit, congratulations. I figure you must have met him at some point.

I've never met him, but I'm doing a better job promoting my stuff - and it gets noticed. Just got into the NY Post again as well - increased traffic begets more traffic. Ask Jammie sometime how that works - his blog collective has taken off in a big way because of exposure by Rush, Ace, Hot Air and Instapundit.