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Politics | Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 5:45:24 pm PDT

Again, Dennis Miller gets it.

Come on, John! FIGHT!

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1 DeliLama  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:46:20pm

Yeah, it's painful to see such key points left unsaid.

2 itellu3times  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:47:05pm

Y'know, I don't want to be the one telling John McCain to fight.

He may fight, he may not, but that's not the particular piece of advice I think he needs to hear from anybody.

3 zombie  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:47:27pm

I disdain all doomsayers.

4 flynmudd  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:47:40pm

I'm still waiting for that same fire McCain had at the end of his convention speech. Is he hiding it for some reason? If he isn't going to fight for me why in the heck should I fight for him?

5 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:47:54pm

re: #1 DeliLama

deli -

DON'T ASK! That is all.

-S-

6 thebronze  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:47:54pm

Maybe John McCain is so tired of fighting other Republicans that he's too tired to fight against a DemocRat...

7 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:48:06pm

Nail the jello to the wall, John.

8 thebronze  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:48:38pm

re: #2 itellu3times

Y'know, I don't want to be the one telling John McCain to fight.

He may fight, he may not, but that's not the particular piece of advice I think he needs to hear from anybody.

Are you serious?

9 mama winger  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:49:08pm

No one has to tell Sarah.

10 mama winger  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:49:30pm

If you need something done, ask a woman.

11 zombie  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:49:51pm

Hopefully, if all things go according to plan, tomorrow I will complete a nifty little esaay of political analysis that will hopefully take the "doom" out of "doomsday scenario."

/( sday scenario? What the hell is that, zombie?)

12 jcm  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:49:56pm

John, get on Obama's six, and don't come home unless you're beyond winchester.


"Winchester" (when a pilot is out of missiles and down to his gun, as in "I've gone Winchester")

13 arethusa  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:50:21pm

Even when I didn't agree with John McCain on an issue, I always believed that he had good reasons for doing whatever it was, for reasons that he believed were right. Unlike certain other Presidential candidates I could name. Standing up and screaming has never been his style, and in fact he never looks good when he gets angry (remember in 2000 when he lost his temper with Bush during a debate).

I'm going to trust him at least a little longer.

14 akak  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:50:32pm
15 DeliLama  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:51:05pm

I wish both McCain and Palin had a rain-man-esque memory of the details and when Biden or Obama makes no sense, to jump on them immediately with the facts.

16 mama winger  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:51:09pm

John and Sarah are going to be interviewed on Hannity and Colmes tonight, I believe.

17 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:51:51pm

re: #14 akak

I haven't heard Howard in ages.

18 arethusa  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:51:52pm

re: #16 mama winger

John and Sarah are going to be interviewed on Hannity and Colmes tonight, I believe.

I thought that was Greta...we'll find out soon enough!

19 captain joe  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:52:08pm

SeeBS reporter says Obomber's plane actually stinks.

20 psyop  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:52:11pm

Dennis Miller rules....

And he is correct.

He needs to take a page from his running mate, and go for the jugular.

21 akak  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:52:44pm

re: #17 Killgore Trout

I haven't heard Howard in ages.

me too

22 thebronze  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:52:54pm

re: #12 jcm

John, get on Obama's six, and don't come home unless you're beyond winchester.


"Winchester" (when a pilot is out of missiles and down to his gun, as in "I've gone Winchester")

Winchester means "out of ammo".

23 mama winger  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:53:13pm

re: #18 arethusa

I thought that was Greta...we'll find out soon enough!

Is it? It's on FOX's website as H and C ...... maybe both ?

24 JAK  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:53:42pm

Liked the McCain, Guiliani, & Romney combo as crusaders, but it ain't going to happen!

25 zombie  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:53:43pm

The Democrats injected John McCain with a paralytic toxin before the general election campaign even started. It's called Toxo-Cantankerosis Temper-Tantromium, which renders one unable to move, for fear of being labeled a senile old coot who can't control one's emotions.

It is among the most toxic substances in the modern pharmacopia.

26 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:53:51pm

re: #21 akak

He's supposedly on Xm now but I can't get his channel. I guess I need to call customer support.

27 SummerSong  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:53:53pm

Dennis is right. FIGHT, DAMNIT!

28 Maximu§  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:53:55pm

McCain may be too old to fight and I don't mean that disrespectfully. Obama has youth and good looks behind him and that 1/2 the battle in politics.

29 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:54:23pm

Sarah to "drop the puck" at Rangers-Flyers' game on Saturday in Philly.

Go Hockey Moms!

30 unclassifiable  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:54:56pm

I wonder if Dennis is starting to think he has a shot at politics after the last debate?

31 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:55:17pm

re: #18 arethusa

I thought that was Greta...we'll find out soon enough!


John and Sarah on Hannity
Sarah only on Greta

32 zombie  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:55:58pm

Like the new comment numerals, Charles! The page seem to load new comments faster too, unless that's just an optical illusion.

33 gibsonz  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:56:04pm

John McCain is taking the high road with a group of misfit lying scumbags who wouldn`t know the high road if it fell on their heads...!

34 psyop  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:56:10pm

re: #30 unclassifiable

I wonder if Dennis is starting to think he has a shot at politics after the last debate?

I would LOVE to see a debate between Miller and Obama.

It would be a bloodbath, with Miller holding the towel.

35 woodsman  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:56:15pm

re: #23 mama winger

Just heard ot was H & C tonight, both Sarah P and John M together

- good evening all!

36 zombie  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:56:36pm

Yes, the comments definitely update a bit faster now. Excellent.

37 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:56:52pm

re: #11 zombie

Hopefully, if all things go according to plan, tomorrow I will complete a nifty little esaay of political analysis that will hopefully take the "doom" out of "doomsday scenario."

/( sday scenario? What the hell is that, zombie?)

Looks like one of Saddam's sons....Uday, Qusay, and Sday.

38 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:57:07pm

Hey, Madonna doesn't like Sarah Palin.

That's a big "PLUS TEN POINTS" on many people's lists, including mine.

39 Charles  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:57:22pm

After living with it for a few hours, I think putting the comment date and the "reply/quote" links on a line underneath the username works well.

Also, the idea behind the change in the comment number is to make it stand out from the rest a bit more. It still has the same function: it's a link to that comment in a stand-alone window.

40 unclassifiable  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:57:52pm

re: #25 zombie

I thought it was just his many years under the Senate congeniality rules.

41 zombie  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:57:52pm

I don't care if John McCain fight or not. I will pick up his rifle and fight for him.

42 woodsman  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:59:01pm

Dennis Miller should move to Mich. and run against Al "Froggy" Franken . . .

43 shug  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:59:05pm

McCain is playing like the British tennis players play at Wimbledon. No matter what they lose.

I want him to play like Jimmy Connors.

Grunt, groan, sweat, and at the end of the day you win. Win ugly if you must but win

44 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:59:09pm

re: #41 zombie

I've come down with an intense case of apathy.

45 Charles  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:59:12pm

(And that stand-alone window has some display issues right now, I know.)

46 Florida Lady  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:59:28pm

Sarah & McCain on Hannity & Skeletor in a minute . . .

47 Outrider  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:59:33pm

re: #28 Maximu§

McCain may be too old to fight and I don't mean that disrespectfully. Obama has youth and good looks behind him and that 1/2 the battle in politics.

On the other hand Sen McCain has spent most of his adult life running campaigns or helping others run theirs. He is an old seasoned vet at this game while Sen Obama has never really fought a hard contested election.

I'm getting the impression Sen McCain is playing Red Cloud to Sen Obamas CPT Fetterman.

48 Charles  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:59:37pm

re: #44 Killgore Trout

I've come down with an intense case of apathy.

Come on, Killgore! FIGHT!

49 psyop  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:59:45pm

re: #38 OldLineTexan

Hey, Madonna doesn't like Sarah Palin.

That's a big "PLUS TEN POINTS" on many people's lists, including mine.

When Madonna quits pretending to be British, I will pretend to care what she has to say about American politics.

50 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 5:59:49pm

re: #25 zombie

The Democrats injected John McCain with a paralytic toxin before the general election campaign even started. It's called Toxo-Cantankerosis Temper-Tantromium, which renders one unable to move, for fear of being labeled a senile old coot who can't control one's emotions.

It is among the most toxic substances in the modern pharmacopia.

It's as bad as contracting racies, a terrible disease that causes Libs to interpret your every remark as evidence of prejudice.

51 USCMSNE  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:00:02pm

re: #42 woodsman

Dennis Miller should move to Mich. and run against Al "Froggy" Franken . . .

Minn.

52 nyc redneck  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:00:07pm

mccain does get feisty on the campaign trail.
i heard a clip on the radio today.
he was pouncing all over the grifter. really exposing his connections to acorn and the freddy and fanny debacle.

i would love to see this mccain at the next debate.

53 psyop  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:00:13pm

re: #41 zombie

I don't care if John McCain fight or not. I will pick up his rifle and fight for him.

Ditto

54 shug  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:00:13pm

re: #42 woodsman

Dennis Miller should move to Mich. and run against Al "Froggy" Franken . . .


Franken is running in Michigan?

What is he in Highland park wearing a bedsheet?

Run for your life Al !

55 zombie  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:00:19pm

re: #39 Charles

After living with it for a few hours, I think putting the comment date and the "reply/quote" links on a line underneath the username works well.

Also, the idea behind the change in the comment number is to make it stand out from the rest a bit more. It still has the same function: it's a link to that comment in a stand-alone window.

I give it a thumbs up.

The only downside is an (apparent?) slight diminuation in the display size of the commenters' names, bruising delicate egos who need to see one's own name as big as possible on the LGF scrolling marquee.

56 Cygnus  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:00:49pm

I'd like to see Obama grow a pair and actually allow himself to be interviewed by Hannity. Now that could be a real bloodbath.

57 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:01:07pm

Oh boy. They are on...oh...mmmmm Hi Sarah!

58 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:01:19pm

re: #42 woodsman

Dennis Miller should move to Mich. and run against Al "Froggy" Franken . . .

Except Franken is in Minnesota.

59 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:01:19pm

re: #44 Killgore Trout

I've come down with an intense case of apathy.

Perhaps it's just lethargy. Here, have a nice prune milkshake.

60 zombie  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:01:20pm

re: #44 Killgore Trout

I've come down with an intense case of apathy.

Then I'll have to pick up your rifle too.

61 Outrider  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:01:39pm

re: #33 gibsonz

John McCain is taking the high road with a group of misfit lying scumbags who wouldn`t know the high road if it fell on their heads...!

Unfortunately I think you are right. He is playing the polite, dignified elder statesman to the Obamas camp of brash, rude, arrogant little sons who are familiar with every dirty trick and are capable of inventing some new ones on the run.

62 planes86  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:02:01pm

anyone else get the feeling McCain WANTS to lose?

63 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:02:04pm

re: #43 shug

McCain is playing like the British tennis players play at Wimbledon. No matter what they lose.

I want him to play like Jimmy Connors.

Grunt, groan, sweat, and at the end of the day you win. Win ugly if you must but win

I wouldn't mind seeing some Johnny Mac action either.
"YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS!"

64 shug  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:02:07pm

McCain is playing the frog. Obama is the scorpion

65 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:02:08pm

re: #58 Sharmuta

Except Franken is in Minnesota.

Wherever. He'd kill him.

66 zombie  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:02:22pm

re: #50 OldLineTexan

It's as bad as contracting racies, a terrible disease that causes Libs to interpret your every remark as evidence of prejudice.

I was trying to come up with a clever way of saying just that, but you've already phrased it perfectly!

67 Florida Lady  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:02:37pm

re: #60 zombie

Then I'll have to pick up your rifle too.

Pick them all up . . . before The One and his goons get them!

68 pat  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:02:41pm

I like the Dennis Miller radio show.

69 Charles  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:02:48pm

re: #55 zombie

I give it a thumbs up.

The only downside is an (apparent?) slight diminuation in the display size of the commenters' names, bruising delicate egos who need to see one's own name as big as possible on the LGF scrolling marquee.

Actually, the names are a bit larger, believe it or not. (Bumped it up a few percent.) I changed the font from Verdana to Trebuchet MS - maybe that's the difference you're seeing.

70 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:02:51pm

re: #49 psyop

When Madonna quits pretending to be British, I will pretend to care what she has to say about American politics.

A dependable measure of a person's characters can be obtained by surveying their detractors. It's not that I care what she says, but the fact that she said it only benefits Gov. Palin's reputation, IMO.

71 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:02:53pm

re: #62 planes86

anyone else get the feeling McCain WANTS to lose?

No.

72 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:03:04pm

re: #47 Outrider

On the other hand Sen McCain has spent most of his adult life running campaigns or helping others run theirs. He is an old seasoned vet at this game while Sen Obama has never really fought a hard contested election.

I'm getting the impression Sen McCain is playing Red Cloud to Sen Obamas CPT Fetterman.

That may explain why The One is outspending McCain 3 to 1 and still only a few points ahead in the polls.

73 rightside  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:03:05pm
74 woodsman  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:03:05pm

re: #51 USCMSNE

Minn.

Whoops - sorry Minnesotans (and Bosniacs)

75 outsidephilly  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:03:24pm

re: #60 zombie

Then I'll have to pick up your rifle too.

. . . . , and I'll be there to help you carry it!

76 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:03:40pm

I'm not voting for Barack and still got called a "N- Lover" at work today by a member of a non-African minority when I hung out with some African-Americans. So am I racist or not?

/confused

//not really

77 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:03:48pm

re: #69 Charles

Looks great. Thanks Chip!

78 jwb7605  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:03:52pm

re: #30 unclassifiable

I wonder if Dennis is starting to think he has a shot at politics after the last debate?

You mean maybe as an opponent to a giant like Al Franken?

79 zombie  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:03:59pm

re: #69 Charles

Actually, the names are a bit larger, believe it or not. (Bumped it up a few percent.) I changed the font from Verdana to Trebuchet MS - maybe that's the difference you're seeing.

Ah, I think that's it. Maybe the appear to be a little thinner, and that produces the effect.

80 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:04:27pm

re: #39 Charles

I think it looks nice like this.

81 thebronze  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:04:29pm

re: #60 zombie

I'd rather John McCain pull his weight and pick up his own rifle.

Maybe he could even use it...

I don't think he feels like it.

82 kansas  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:04:41pm

re: #62 planes86

anyone else get the feeling McCain WANTS to lose?


Yes, I said that and got told to Fuck myself.
Course maybe he's afraid of the Feds if he gets too tough on the ONE.
[Link: www.nbc-2.com...]

83 unclassifiable  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:04:55pm

re: #44 Killgore Trout

Kilgore. Let's not talk in political terms. Let's talk in terms of putting up with this for 4 - 8 years.

84 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:05:03pm

re: #66 zombie

I was trying to come up with a clever way of saying just that, but you've already phrased it perfectly!

I would say GMTA, but perhaps in this case professional counseling would be appropriate. ;)

85 kevinmumaw  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:05:03pm

DK: NO voter fraud here, besides, only Republicans commit voter fraud...seriously

86 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:05:06pm

re: #62 planes86

anyone else get the feeling McCain WANTS to lose?

No, but I think he's rather lose the election than his honor.

87 thebronze  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:05:28pm

re: #62 planes86

anyone else get the feeling McCain WANTS to lose?

No, but I don't think he wants to win.

88 gibsonz  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:05:37pm

At this time in the race in 00` and 04` we were toast according to the MSM...do we remember in 04` on the afternoon of election day how supposed "exit polls" had the election a landslide in key battleground states...NEVER listen to the bought and paid for PUNDITS!

89 godfrey  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:05:54pm

Oh for cryin out loud

He's listening to his advisors.

90 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:06:01pm

re: #48 Charles

ehhhh, I'm sleepy.

91 woodsman  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:06:17pm

I just like the thought of a Miller vs Franken debate...

92 thebronze  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:06:31pm

re: #89 godfrey

Oh for cryin out loud

He's listening to his advisors.

His "advisors" need to be fired.

93 Joan Not of Arc  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:06:41pm

Two man enter, one man leave.....

94 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:06:44pm

re: #48 Charles

Come on, Killgore! FIGHT!

Charles is going to have to drag Killgore over the line on November 4.

95 bcgirl  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:06:52pm

it is worse than you think ---- you are flipflop ! ;-)

/if i need to
re: #76 David IV of Georgia

I'm not voting for Barack and still got called a "N- Lover" at work today by a member of a non-African minority when I hung out with some African-Americans. So am I racist or not?

/confused

//not really

96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:06:52pm

re: #86 goddessoftheclassroom

We rise up and call you blessed. What a beautiful response. Thanks GOTC!

I wish your nic was goddessoftheclassroom'sheavenlyangel.

That way I could call you "GOTCHA!"

97 godfrey  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:06:54pm

re: #90 Killgore Trout

lol

Funny avatar.

Meditation isn't supposed to make you sleepy, Atheisattva.

98 kansas  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:07:02pm

re: #91 woodsman

I just like the thought of a Miller vs Franken debate...

How about for Halloween Al Franken and Ben Stein
Franken/Stein?

99 zombie  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:07:03pm

re: #76 David IV of Georgia

I'm not voting for Barack and still got called a "N- Lover" at work today by a member of a non-African minority when I hung out with some African-Americans. So am I racist or not?

/confused

//not really

Are you serious? Someone actually used that word to you, not in the context of quoting a rap song?

I guess I've lived my whole life in hyper-liberal areas and I'm blind to reality. Never in my life have I ever observed or heard anyone saying that word or being overtly racist.

I'm in a coccoon of tolerance.

(Oops!)

100 Dianna  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:07:07pm

re: #45 Charles

(And that stand-alone window has some display issues right now, I know.)

OK, I'm an idjit. What stand alone window?

101 thebigolddog  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:07:24pm

- Come on, kid. Get in there. Engage.
- You’ve got a bogey at two o’clock.

Take the shot, kid.

You can engage any time, Maverick.

- Where the hell are you going?
- It doesn’t look good.

What do you mean? It doesn’t get
to look any better than that.

Hey, man. We could have had him…

I’ll fire when I’m goddamn
good and ready. You got that?

- He won’t engage.
- It’s only been a few days.

- He just might not make it back.
- Keep sending him up.

102 Charles  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:07:33pm

re: #90 Killgore Trout

ehhhh, I'm sleepy.

That explains it. It's jet lag. Africa. Been there. Major jet lag.

103 nnorb  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:07:54pm

re: #12 jcm

John, get on Obama's six, and don't come home unless you're beyond winchester.


"Winchester" (when a pilot is out of missiles and down to his gun, as in "I've gone Winchester")

This is my first post on LGF. (It took forever to hit the right time when the registry was open.) GREAT LINE! Love it - - - STAY ON HIS SIX!

Norb

104 zombie  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:07:54pm

re: #88 gibsonz

At this time in the race in 00` and 04` we were toast according to the MSM...do we remember in 04` on the afternoon of election day how supposed "exit polls" had the election a landslide in key battleground states...NEVER listen to the bought and paid for PUNDITS!

Thank you. Saved me the effort.

105 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:07:59pm

re: #60 zombie

Thanks, mine is still in its original packaging. It's nice to see someone psyched about the election.

106 kevinmumaw  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:08:06pm

re: #44 Killgore Trout

I've come down with an intense case of apathy.

Yeah, my "give-a-sh** meter is running low too. I pity the fool that gets elected anyway.

107 unclassifiable  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:08:11pm

re: #78 jwb7605

With the "throw the bums out" mentality that is growing, he could probably pick any district he wanted to.

108 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:08:26pm

re: #101 thebigolddog

- Come on, kid. Get in there. Engage.
- You’ve got a bogey at two o’clock.

Take the shot, kid.

You can engage any time, Maverick.

- Where the hell are you going?
- It doesn’t look good.

What do you mean? It doesn’t get
to look any better than that.

Hey, man. We could have had him…

I’ll fire when I’m goddamn
good and ready. You got that?

- He won’t engage.
- It’s only been a few days.

- He just might not make it back.
- Keep sending him up.

And who ended up kicking commie ass in the end? The Maverick.

109 Dianna  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:08:30pm

re: #48 Charles

Come on, Killgore! FIGHT!

With someone besides his fellow lizards, I think you mean?

110 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:08:40pm

re: #96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

We rise up and call you blessed. What a beautiful response. Thanks GOTC!

I wish your nic was goddessoftheclassroom'sheavenlyangel.

That way I could call you "GOTCHA!"

How kind of you to say so--and I LOL's at your variation of my name!

111 godfrey  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:09:04pm

re: #102 Charles

Thirty hours transit, right? Yikes.

It's like sitting through that first debate. Pass the tiny liquor. Again.

112 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:09:30pm

re: #102 Charles

That explains it. It's jet lag. Africa. Been there. Major jet lag.

Perhaps he misses the rain...

113 GoIllini  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:09:31pm

Our station puts Dennis Miller on from 4-6pm in our area, and I always look forward to listening to him on the drive home. Such a smart guy, witty, and from politics to entertainment to anything else, always has spot on comments and interesting guests. If you don't live in an area that gets him, check him out on the web ( [Link: www.dennismillerradio.com...] ).

Oh, and I definitely agree with Dennis--John, for goodness sake--take what you said at the end of your convention speech to heart: stand up and FIGHT! Your country needs you!

114 bcgirl  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:09:38pm

even though i can't stand tom any longer,, LOVE THAT MOVIE


re: #101 thebigolddog

- Come on, kid. Get in there. Engage.
- You’ve got a bogey at two o’clock.

Take the shot, kid.

You can engage any time, Maverick.

- Where the hell are you going?
- It doesn’t look good.

What do you mean? It doesn’t get
to look any better than that.

Hey, man. We could have had him…

I’ll fire when I’m goddamn
good and ready. You got that?

- He won’t engage.
- It’s only been a few days.

- He just might not make it back.
- Keep sending him up.

115 woodsman  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:09:55pm

re: #98 kansas

How about for Halloween Al Franken and Ben Stein
Franken/Stein?

And just in time for Halloween - good one.

116 Osama Bin Asshat  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:10:00pm

If Obama wins at least we never have to hear race as an excuse from the black community anymore. Rice, Powell, Thomas, Obama....I don't think black folks can cry victim anymore, certainly a card that has been played to political advantage in this election. It will almost be cathartic for the USA. The only problem is, it will be 4 years of extreme socialism, much of it hard to reverse...take it from someone from socialist Canada. Yanks, once your citizens get a taste of extreme socialism, it becomes an addiction and almost heresy for a politician to reverse and at times, even discuss. Things are grim, I pray for you!

117 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:10:29pm

re: #90 Killgore Trout

ehhhh, I'm sleepy.

Beddy-bye time!

118 kansas  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:10:30pm

Top Gun. Would have been a classic if it weren't for Kelly McGillis. UGh.

119 Florida Lady  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:10:34pm

re: #82 kansas

Yes, I said that and got told to Fuck myself.
Course maybe he's afraid of the Feds if he gets too tough on the ONE.
[Link: www.nbc-2.com...]


Oh, no . . . Mike is my brother-in-law's cousin. He, his wife Christa, and 2 daughters Lindsey & Mackenzie are wonderful people.

Obama's Truth Squad in action against our extended family?

Now I'm really PISSED!

This SOB has to be defeated at all costs!

120 psyop  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:10:45pm

re: #70 OldLineTexan

A dependable measure of a person's characters can be obtained by surveying their detractors. It's not that I care what she says, but the fact that she said it only benefits Gov. Palin's reputation, IMO.

Good point, and well said.

To that end, Madonna certainly isn't the only one I would put in that category.

121 semadar  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:10:55pm

B. Obama is a sly so n so, I don't trust him, there are too many links to the enemies of the free world.
As the old saying goes " where there is smoke there is fire "

122 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:11:08pm

re: #97 godfrey

I read Joko Beck's books while on vacation. I've been doing a little zazen (meditation) lately. It's very interesting.

123 dak  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:11:20pm

Saw a story that says McCain is racist because he said "that one".

124 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:11:30pm

There is real frustration out here- I told the RNC that when I called them and told them to fight too. They've got money in the bank, they can join this fight too.

Give then a call and tell them that- The RNC

125 kansas  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:11:37pm

re: #119 Florida Lady

Oh, no . . . Mike is my brother-in-law's cousin. He, his wife Christa, and 2 daughters Lindsey & Mackenzie are wonderful people.

Obama's Truth Squad in action against our extended family?

Now I'm really PISSED!

This SOB has to be defeated at all costs!


Starting to feel like Mark Wahlberg in Planet of the............

126 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:11:39pm

re: #99 zombie

It was said. But, see, he is a member of a minority ethnic group, so the rules binding to those descended from Europeans don't apply. (/) I laughed derisively and walked off.

127 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:11:44pm

re: #111 godfrey

Thirty hours transit, right? Yikes.

It's like sitting through that first debate. Pass the tiny liquor. Again.

THIRTY? OMG. I did 14 once and almost died...they neglected to offer me the tiny liquor. Next time, I am getting stewed (who's a sleepy drunk? I am!)

128 thebigolddog  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:11:53pm

re: #114 bcgirl

Let's hope this movie has a similar happy ending and this Maverick snatches victory from the jaws of defeat.

129 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:12:03pm

re: #117 MandyManners

Nah, I slept all day yesterday. I need to get back on schedule.

130 godfrey  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:12:15pm

It's like the "fight with me!" peroration at the end of his speech at the convention. The longer he waits to get fired up, the more the firing up will be seen as a last-ditch effort. And we all know how we feel about "last ditch" efforts. Not edifying. Palin on the attack is good. Now let's see the firm hand from McCain. He wants to lead? Show us.

131 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:12:35pm

re: #90 Killgore Trout

ehhhh, I'm sleepy.

Bit by the tsetse fly?

132 reno911  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:12:42pm

I am of the opinion that if John McCain does not know that it is past time to turn the heat up on BHO, then maybe, just maybe, he has no business being POTUS.

/OK, not the most popular opinion out there.

133 FrogMarch  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:12:44pm

The left-wing media are tying to kill of our fighting spirit.

134 Outrider  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:12:54pm

re: #116 Osama Bin Asshat

If Obama wins at least we never have to hear race as an excuse from the black community anymore. Rice, Powell, Thomas, Obama....I don't think black folks can cry victim anymore, certainly a card that has been played to political advantage in this election. It will almost be cathartic for the USA. The only problem is, it will be 4 years of extreme socialism, much of it hard to reverse...take it from someone from socialist Canada. Yanks, once your citizens get a taste of extreme socialism, it becomes an addiction and almost heresy for a politician to reverse and at times, even discuss. Things are grim, I pray for you!

No. An entitlement like virginity can never be taken away once given.

135 noshariaincanada  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:12:56pm

re: #16 mama winger

John and Sarah are going to be interviewed on Hannity and Colmes tonight, I believe.

watching now - Sen. McCain is making some good points that he should have made last nite.

136 Devolving One  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:12:58pm

For what it's worth -
I have grown weary of a candidate who won't fight, who persists in trying to "reach across the isle" to people who have no inclination toward reciprocity. Listening to him speak is like listening to someone read a children's storybook. If it wasn't for Palin, I would probably vote for a third-party candidate. I will be voting for Palin in November. I know, she isn't running for President, but I am not sure McCain is, either.

He's a good, honorable man - a large dose of passion is needed right about now.

137 nyc redneck  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:13:00pm

re: #28 Maximu§

McCain may be too old to fight and I don't mean that disrespectfully. Obama has youth and good looks behind him and that 1/2 the battle in politics.

Maximuss, i know you don't mean it disrespectfully but don't underestimate that tuff old soldier.
obama is an arrogant pos. a weakling in all ways. everyday he shows himself more.
there's time for mccain to crush him.

138 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:13:07pm

re: #123 dak

Saw a story that says McCain is racist because he said "that one".

Everyone's a bit racist...

139 godfrey  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:13:14pm

re: #122 Killgore Trout

Good on ya

140 SusanL  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:13:26pm

re: #69 Charles

Sir, you have created one of the most amazing sites on the Web. I use your list on the left sidebar to visit all my websites. (I do wish you would forgive Townhall for Pat and add them to the scroll.)

Just flat out mega kudo's to you for what you have done as a web designer/programmer.

I do enjoy visiting, and sometimes commenting here.

Susanl

141 zombie  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:13:29pm

The 1908 Olympic marathon.

McCain is the guy in the center. That's me on the left with the megaphone in one hand; Charles is on the right with the floppy cap.

142 kansas  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:13:48pm

< re: #132 reno911

I am of the opinion that if John McCain does not know that it is past time to turn the heat up on BHO, then maybe, just maybe, he has no business being POTUS.

/OK, not the most popular opinion out there.

Yeah, well you got 2 choices and one is a fucking disaster. Guess which one?

143 HoosierHoops  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:13:49pm

re: #118 kansas

Top Gun. Would have been a classic if it weren't for Kelly McGillis. UGh.

*WACK*
Bite your tongue my friend!

144 Dianna  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:13:58pm

re: #99 zombie

Are you serious? Someone actually used that word to you, not in the context of quoting a rap song?

I guess I've lived my whole life in hyper-liberal areas and I'm blind to reality. Never in my life have I ever observed or heard anyone saying that word or being overtly racist.

I'm in a coccoon of tolerance.

(Oops!)

I've heard a lot of ugliness from blacks aimed at asians, for some reason.

145 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:13:59pm

re: #133 FrogMarch

The left-wing media are tying to kill of our fighting spirit.

I agree!

146 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:14:15pm

re: #123 dak

Saw a story that says McCain is racist because he said "that one".

Idiots. He's a racist because he's white.

Sheesh.

/

147 neocon hippie  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:14:58pm

Thank G-d Sarah Palin has the fire in her belly.

She just might save this nation starting on 11/4.

148 kevinmumaw  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:14:59pm
149 kansas  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:15:02pm

re: #143 HoosierHoops

*WACK*
Bite your tongue my friend!

Ouch. That's gonna leave a mark.

150 Dianna  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:15:58pm

re: #105 Killgore Trout

Thanks, mine is still in its original packaging. It's nice to see someone psyched about the election.

Psyched? No.

But I only thought I didn't like Obama two months ago!

The only advantage to being sick for an entire month (and counting) has been that I've had time to dig into Obama, and his "positions".

The man's not just a lying bastard, he's a bad liar.

151 kansas  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:16:32pm

re: #146 OldLineTexan

Idiots. He's a racist because he's white.

Sheesh.

/

He's racist because he's Republican. If he was for Obama, which its looking like he might be, he wouldn't be racist no matter what he said.

152 Lee Coller  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:16:48pm

re: #138 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Everyone's a bit racist...

I can't help but think that McCain intended to say "The One" and blew the line.

153 MrSnuggles  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:16:52pm

Maybe John McCain needs to be given the "Did we quit when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor" speech that is so popular here over the last few days.

154 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:16:58pm

re: #125 kansas

Starting to feel like Mark Wahlberg in Planet of the............

common ancestral species?

155 jcm  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:17:04pm

re: #146 OldLineTexan

Idiots. He's a racist because he's white.

Sheesh.

/

I'm racist, 'cause I'm not voting Obama.

Can't stand reds in politics.

156 Outrider  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:17:19pm

re: #133 FrogMarch

The left-wing media are tying to kill of our fighting spirit.

pffft. Sounds like many in here don't need the assistance of the left-wing media to do that. Apparently too many have already QUIT! With three+ weeks to go. I can't believe some of them were also military or other occupations that aren't normally associated with quitters. But, to each his own, I'd rather find out early on who's got my back.

157 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:17:42pm

Ok, fellow lizardettes - how thick is Sarah Palin's hair? Looks pretty darn thick to me. I like it down, too - makes her look softer.

158 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:17:44pm

I'm not racist- I'm just anti-commie.

159 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:18:06pm

re: #151 kansas

He's racist because he's Republican. If he was for Obama, which its looking like he might be, he wouldn't be racist no matter what he said.

I have heard John McCain called a lot of nasty things. But REPUBLICAN? Have you no decency at long last, sir?

///////

160 bcgirl  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:18:09pm

can this be seen online? orheard

re: #135 noshariaincanada

watching now - Sen. McCain is making some good points that he should have made last nite.

161 FishFearMe  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:18:11pm

Sorry for the re-post from the other thread, but here goes...

My Mom just sent this to me. All hail teh Messiah!

[Link: [Link: www.glennbeck.com...]...]

162 kansas  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:18:16pm

re: #154 OldLineTexan

common ancestral species?

Perhaps. I know my great great great great great great grandaddy had some odd sexual habits.

163 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:18:36pm

re: #157 Intrepid

Ok, fellow lizardettes - how thick is Sarah Palin's hair? Looks pretty darn thick to me. I like it down, too - makes her look softer.

purrrrrrrrrrrrrr

164 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:18:53pm

re: #133 FrogMarch

The left-wing media are tying to kill of our fighting spirit.

Our fighting spirit will get us no where. It's the candidate, McCain that has to convince the Independents and possible swing voters.
He's the one that needs to show some fight. We can't talk up something that doesn't exist.

165 HoosierHoops  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:19:22pm

re: #149 kansas

Ouch. That's gonna leave a mark.

LOL
I'm glad you are a good sport Kansas!
You know during march madness we are going to trash talk...
Congrads on this last year..good basketball!

166 jcw46  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:19:25pm

re: #10 mama winger

If you need something done, ask a woman.

If you need it done right without a lot of whining about it, ask a man.

167 zombie  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:19:31pm

John McCain -- the Dorando Pietri of American politics.

168 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:20:06pm

re: #158 Sharmuta

Check out his knot.

169 LoFlyer  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:20:26pm

re: #143 HoosierHoops

Arrr, Hoosier did you get my resume from last night? My brother informed it was not formatted well for adobe, and I have an update. PS, I approve of your org highly....

170 formercorpsman  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:20:29pm

re: #14 akak

That is brutal.

171 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:20:36pm

re: #161 FishFearMe

Link broken. Try thisre: #161 FishFearMe

Sorry for the re-post from the other thread, but here goes...

My Mom just sent this to me. All hail teh Messiah!

www.glennbeck.com

172 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:20:56pm

re: #123 dak

Saw a story that says McCain is racist because he said "that one".

I've wondered, but never bothered to count, about how many common English turns of phrase—some perhaps from Shakespeare or Chaucer or even from back a thousand years or more—that are now "tainted" as racist or non-PC in some way. I can think of a few that were used for over a thousand years without giving offense that suddenly have been dropped from common speech in the last forty years.

173 kansas  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:21:03pm

re: #166 jcw46

If you need it done right without a lot of whining about it, ask a man.

More like it in my household.

174 reno911  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:21:10pm

re: #142 kansas

Listening to John McCain advocate socialism (buying bad mortgages) last night does not give me a warm fuzzy that he will govern much differently from BHO.

There is a reason that the conservative base despises McCain.

You are right, I have no choice but to vote for him.

But if he loses, it's on him and his "me-too" populist bullshit.

175 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:21:20pm

re: #171 CyanSnowHawk

PIMF. [Link: www.glennbeck.com...]

176 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:21:27pm

re: #168 MandyManners

Check out his knot.

Did I miss something? It was just some guy.

177 joecitizen  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:21:36pm

re: #166 jcw46

If you need it done right without a lot of whining about it, ask a man.

you are in SO much trouble..I'd be a runnin'...

178 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:21:54pm

re: #166 jcw46

If you need it done right without a lot of whining about it, ask a man.

If you need it done while conforming to state and Federal unfunded mandates and making up for the shortcomings of parents and the community environment, ask a teacher.

179 calcajun  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:22:07pm

This is the speech he should give:

Warning - R-rated.

180 The Shadow Do  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:22:34pm

For several reasons, I think I understand McCain fairly well. He will say or do nothing that would, in his mind, compromise his dignity or sense of personal honor. He will talk straight and work to persuade. He is a passionate man on the issues, but is handicapped as a politician since he will keep it largely internalized. We will need to fight for him and he will not suddenly become someone that he is not out of the expediency of the moment or to satisfy the wishes of his backers.

It's a damn shame since his opponent has no such constraints and will say and do anything imaginable to reach his end.

John McCain is at his center a very good man and, yes, we will have to drag him across the finish line.

181 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:22:36pm

re: #167 zombie

If Dorando won!

Have faith! FIGHT!

182 Viking6  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:22:41pm

ALLRIGHT PEOPLE, I AM SICK AND TIRED OF THIS LOLLY GAGGING BS. GET YOUR MAGGOT ASSES ON THE DECK STANDING TALL FOR THE MAN THAT IS FLYING COVER FOR YOU. DO IT NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW.

ARE YOU EYEBALLING ME, ARE YOU...

Now that I have your attention we really need to get ahold of our fears, suck it up and move into the Valley cuz there ain't no one else to do the job that needs to be done.

183 dak  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:22:42pm

Question: What were the polls saying in 2004 about a month before the election? Weren't they in favour of Kerry? I don't remember...

184 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:22:49pm

re: #129 Killgore Trout

Nah, I slept all day yesterday. I need to get back on schedule.

I did Nashville - Tokyo (via LAX) and Nashville - Bangkok (via LAX and Taipei) for 20 years, twice a year at least. Often had 36 hour transit times, at a minimum.

I found that a) drinking lots of water, b) eating lite meals at regular meal times, and c) making myself stay awake until 9 pm after I arrived was the only way to get back in sync within 3-4 days.

No naps - going for a walk when I got really sleepy (about 2 pm) helped.

185 JAK  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:22:56pm

re: #134 Outrider

If I really believed that an O! election would preempt future use of the race card, I might even vote for the man. Unfortunately, I think the payback list is far longer than the Constitution (tattered though it is), so he is dangerous on yet another level.

186 jcm  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:22:59pm

re: #168 MandyManners

Check out his knot.

Double Figure-of-eight, did high angle rescue.....
Ohhh! you not talking about the rope are you.....
*blushes*

187 right_in_canada  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:23:04pm

re: #38 OldLineTexan

Hey, Madonna doesn't like Sarah Palin.

That's a big "PLUS TEN POINTS" on many people's lists, including mine.


Well, that tears it who is going to support SP now, I mean , with how relevant Ma-whore-a is! Her last hit song was like what 1992. She can just shrivel up and disppear any day now !

*spit*

188 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:23:06pm
189 Scion9  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:23:12pm

re: #25 zombie

The Democrats injected John McCain with a paralytic toxin before the general election campaign even started. It's called Toxo-Cantankerosis Temper-Tantromium, which renders one unable to move, for fear of being labeled a senile old coot who can't control one's emotions.

It is among the most toxic substances in the modern pharmacopia.

He needs to take a page from Andrew Jackson's book and challenge those that accuse him of having anger management problems to a duel to the death, in order to prove them wrong once and for all.

190 nyc redneck  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:23:22pm

re: #146 OldLineTexan

Idiots. He's a racist because he's white.

Sheesh.

/

his minions are calling him " the one".
why can't mccain use their own term of endearment?

191 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:24:21pm

re: #168 MandyManners

Photoshop

192 calcajun  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:24:22pm

re: #14 akak

[Link: debbieschlussel.com...]

Again, there are some people who should not have the right to vote because of sheer stupidity.

193 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:24:35pm

re: #182 Viking6

Wow. You don't say much. But when you do....

194 Yankee Division Son  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:25:12pm

McCain/Palin on Hannity and Combs right now...

"Come on, John! FIGHT!"

Indeed. I don't believe I've ever seen you run from a fight, don't start now!

195 mikeymom  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:25:29pm

rant here-- i am spittimg mad watching macain and palin on hannity--why didnt he bring up all this last night in front of a national audience? now hes doing this shit on fox--where was he last night?

196 right_in_canada  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:25:34pm

re: #123 dak

Saw a story that says McCain is racist because he said "that one".


I heard him clear his throat at one point in the debate! Clearly an "inside" code for what was most likely a racial slur.

/do i have to?

197 kansas  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:25:37pm

re: #192 calcajun

Again, there are some people who should not have the right to vote because of sheer stupidity.

Hell there are some people who should not have the right to vote because they are dead. But that doesn't seem to matter.

198 dak  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:25:47pm

re: #10 mama winger

I dunno. I keep asking my wife and she keeps saying she has a headache.

199 zombie  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:26:16pm

Damn, that was a blast from the past. Just got a call from a federal investigator. About a mysterious aspect of my pre-zombietime life! Can't believe they still have my number after all this time.

Not to worry. We had a few laughs. (Though he did have to reassure me, at first, "Don't worry, you're not the one we're going after." That was a relief.) I gave him the info he was looking for.

200 Outrider  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:26:36pm

re: #185 JAK

If I really believed that an O! election would preempt future use of the race card, I might even vote for the man. Unfortunately, I think the payback list is far longer than the Constitution (tattered though it is), so he is dangerous on yet another level.

Given the idle chat I hear here in Savannah I have every reason to believe an Obama administration would increase the use of the race card; not eliminate it.

201 SusanL  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:26:57pm

re: #157 Intrepid

I really noticed that today during the interview they have over at Hot Air. She has amazing hair. Who ever is dressing her is doing a fabulous job as well. She always looks terrific.

I think that drives those b*tches on the left the craziest.

S

202 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:27:06pm

Archives prove Obama was a New Party member

The New Party was a radical left organization, established in 1992, to amalgamate far left groups and push the United States into socialism by forcing the Democratic Party to the left. It was an attempt to regroup the forces on the left in a new strategy to take power, burrowing from within. The party only lasted until 1998, when its strategy of "fusion" failed to withstand a Supreme Court ruling. But dissolving the party didn't stop the membership, including Barack Obama, from continuing to move the Democrats leftward with spectacular success.

/it's official, Lord Ocama is a card carrying socialist

. . .

J. Brown of Politically Drunk on Power has dug up multiple documentary sources (with hyperlinks) proving that Barack Obama was a member of the New Party, despite alleged attempts to cover up his tracks by scrubbing evidence. He or she deserves tremendous praise for doing this detective work.

203 kansas  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:27:08pm

re: #195 mikeymom

rant here-- i am spittimg mad watching macain and palin on hannity--why didnt he bring up all this last night in front of a national audience? now hes doing this shit on fox--where was he last night?

Yeah, and how many times did Hussein refer to him as John and McCain calls him "Shenator Obama". One time he says, that one, and they shit.

204 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:27:10pm

re: #172 David IV of Georgia

I REFUSE to conform to that PC expectation.

I readily admit that there are condescending at best and insulting at worst words and phrases that demean blacks. One of the ones heard frequently in old movies is the calling of a black man "boy." That does make me wince--as much as I love the movie Casablanca, Ilsa does refer to Same that way. While it's clear that she does not mean to be insulting, it is indicative of her internalized awareness of her cultural/racial perception.

205 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:27:15pm

re: #182 Viking6

ALLRIGHT PEOPLE, I AM SICK AND TIRED OF THIS LOLLY GAGGING BS. GET YOUR MAGGOT ASSES ON THE DECK STANDING TALL FOR THE MAN THAT IS FLYING COVER FOR YOU. DO IT NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW.

ARE YOU EYEBALLING ME, ARE YOU...

Now that I have your attention we really need to get ahold of our fears, suck it up and move into the Valley cuz there ain't no one else to do the job that needs to be done.

Like I said in a post above. Yes, there is someone else that needs to do the job, McCain. We can't help someone get elected if he shows no interest in running a challenging campaign.

206 HoosierHoops  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:27:26pm

re: #169 LoFlyer

Arrr, Hoosier did you get my resume from last night? My brother informed it was not formatted well for adobe, and I have an update. PS, I approve of your org highly....

No i did not bro...Of course i have 6200 emails in my inbox today....
Can you get on-line tomorrow with me? I'd like to get your resume in hand.

207 Desert Dog  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:27:36pm

OT

Come and visit my hometown, just watch your back.

208 republic  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:27:44pm

I have had a hunch that John McCain is going to save the heavy ammo for the last debate. In last nights debate, they had like, what, one minute to make their statement. It would have been next to impossible to call Obama out in one minute, without having to keep using the next minutes to try and tie it all together. I think that McCain will use the last debate to confront Obama about his ties with the murderer/terrorist, Fannie Mae, Freddy Mac, Barney Frank, the 2005 legislation that the Demonrats shot down, etc.

I could be wrong, nothing will surprise me either way, but when speaking, people most remember what they heard last.

A "townhall" setting for that debate, where Brokenjaw left some very important topics to not be talked about, would have been a very tough place for McCain to address Obama's very questionable ties, to everything, and to do it in any effective way.

Hopefully, McCain will come out swinging in the last debate.

If not, oh well, my Faith is not in any man.

209 noshariaincanada  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:27:45pm

hannity is asking all the good questions, and Sarah Palin and Sen. John McCain are giving straightforward and good answers. Too bad it's on Fox, I wish it was on something that reaches the lefties, too.

210 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:27:50pm

When's the next debate?

re: #167 zombie

John McCain -- the Dorando Pietri of American politics.

Except who's going to help McCain across the finish line?

211 Outrider  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:27:51pm

re: #192 calcajun

Again, there are some people who should not have the right to vote because of sheer stupidity.

Jeez, that would narrow the voting pool down a whole gang wouldn't it? ;-)>

212 kansas  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:28:29pm

re: #202 Killian Bundy

Archives prove Obama was a New Party member

Like this will matter at this point? He could be Joe Stalin and women would swoon.

213 jcw46  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:28:31pm

re: #173 kansas

More like it in my household.


Well it could be something You're supposed to do anyway.

214 SurferDoc  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:28:59pm

MCCain is sticking the knife in. Repeatedly.

215 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:29:25pm

re: #199 zombie

What a coincidence. Someone from (a long distance phone company) called me the other day to ask me if I was happy with my carrier.

We're both very important people obviously.

216 jcm  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:29:32pm

re: #192 calcajun

Again, there are some people who should not have the right to vote because of sheer stupidity.

10 question quiz, must get 80% to qualify to vote.

1) What date was the Declaration of Independence signed and what is the last line?
2) When was the Constitution Ratified?
3) What form of government was established?
etc...

217 FishFearMe  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:29:33pm

re: #175 CyanSnowHawk

Thanks for the correction on the link.

218 mikeymom  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:29:38pm

re: #203 kansas

mccain refered to obama as "that one" andall hell breaks loose--but--im soo mad that mcain is talking shit tonight--and not last nigjt!

219 Outrider  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:29:47pm

re: #195 mikeymom

rant here-- i am spittimg mad watching macain and palin on hannity--why didnt he bring up all this last night in front of a national audience? now hes doing this shit on fox--where was he last night?

Probably because they were stupid, irrelevant, and inconsequential questions that didn't leave either candidate room to bring out the stuff that needed to be said. Ask the moderator why more relevant questions couldn't have been asked.

220 zombie  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:30:23pm

re: #202 Killian Bundy

Archives prove Obama was a New Party member

Wow. Thanks for posting that. I'll have to keep an eye on this story. Very closely.

221 jcw46  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:30:44pm

re: #177 joecitizen

you are in SO much trouble..I'd be a runnin'...


I posted that because it was so sexist and I wanted to show how it looked from the other side. Look how many updings it got. frankly that kind of sniping is a sign of some other problem.

222 kansas  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:30:49pm

re: #214 SurferDoc

MCCain is sticking the knife in. Repeatedly.


If a tree falls in the forest.......................I got it McCain is 24 hours off. He thinks it's last night. Crap.

223 republic  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:31:01pm

re: #164 Walter L. Newton

Our fighting spirit will get us no where. It's the candidate, McCain that has to convince the Independents and possible swing voters.
He's the one that needs to show some fight. We can't talk up something that doesn't exist.

"Independants and swing voters" are morons!

A person is either a conservative, or a liberal, "moderates" are morons who like to think that they are what the election hinges on, while they hold onto their liberal beliefs.

Like Rush has maintained, when conservatives speak conservative, they win in landslides.

McCain needs to speak to his conservative base, #$%@ the "moderates".

224 zombie  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:31:09pm

re: #210 Ringo the Gringo

Except who's going to help McCain across the finish line?

You and I.

225 willowone  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:31:28pm

on Hannity now

226 calcajun  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:31:36pm

re: #211 Outrider

Jeez, that would narrow the voting pool down a whole gang wouldn't it? ;-)>

Seriously, the founding fathers never wanted universal suffrage. Only the landed class could vote. Jackson enlarged it.

227 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:31:44pm

zombie,


The Democrats injected John McCain with a paralytic toxin before the general election campaign even started. It's called Toxo-Cantankerosis Temper-Tantromium

There's an antidote, it's called Benzedrine.

228 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:31:44pm

re: #182 Viking6

ALLRIGHT PEOPLE, I AM SICK AND TIRED OF THIS LOLLY GAGGING BS. GET YOUR MAGGOT ASSES ON THE DECK STANDING TALL FOR THE MAN THAT IS FLYING COVER FOR YOU. DO IT NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW.

ARE YOU EYEBALLING ME, ARE YOU...

Now that I have your attention we really need to get ahold of our fears, suck it up and move into the Valley cuz there ain't no one else to do the job that needs to be done.

YESSIR.

229 mikeymom  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:32:01pm

re: #219 Outrider

mccain could have diverted the questions around to his point ans he didnt!

230 snowcrash  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:32:07pm

re: #195 mikeymom
He is much better in this interview. He obviously couldn't explain complicated issues with time comstraints. Too bad. He is getting the message out on Fox but that is like preaching to the choir.

231 LoFlyer[deleted]  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:32:13pm
232 SurferDoc  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:32:21pm

re: #222 kansas

If a tree falls in the forest.......................I got it McCain is 24 hours off. He thinks it's last night. Crap.

Yeah. Well. At least he is doing it. That is an improvement.

233 kansas  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:32:27pm

re: #225 willowone

on Hannity now

If I watch does that mean I have to listen to that idiot Colmes? If so, no thanks.

234 calcajun  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:32:55pm

re: #216 jcm

10 question quiz, must get 80% to qualify to vote.

1) What date was the Declaration of Independence signed and what is the last line?
2) When was the Constitution Ratified?
3) What form of government was established?
etc...

More is needed. Parrots can give those answers.

235 zombie  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:32:57pm

re: #215 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What a coincidence. Someone from (a long distance phone company) called me the other day to ask me if I was happy with my carrier.

We're both very important people obviously.

You think I'm joking! But I assure I am not. I've got an FBI file about as long as my arm.

236 JAK  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:33:06pm

re: #220 zombie

What story--you'll never hear another word about it!

237 Lively  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:33:12pm

re: #207 Desert Dog

OT

Come and visit my hometown, just watch your back.

Wow. Maybe you can get your Senator to do something about it.

238 willowone  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:33:28pm

re: #233 kansas
just do the nah nah nah nah )can't hear you when he appears.

239 jcw46  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:33:29pm

re: #178 goddessoftheclassroom

If you need it done while conforming to state and Federal unfunded mandates and making up for the shortcomings of parents and the community environment, ask a teacher.


See now that's ok. I would also offer -- while dealing with idiotic union rules, contract stipulations and other teachers who are a waste of space.
Given the swamp we have created in Education it's a wonder that kids learn anything useful.

240 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:33:55pm

re: #222 kansas

If a tree falls in the forest.......................I got it McCain is 24 hours off. He thinks it's last night. Crap.

He's had a whole day to listen to people tell him what he should have said last night. He needs a Geritol infusion or something.

241 unclassifiable  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:33:56pm

re: #180 The Shadow Do

Really well put.

242 kansas  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:34:09pm

re: #232 SurferDoc

Yeah. Well. At least he is doing it. That is an improvement.


I testify as an expert witness sometimes, so next time I'm in court I space off my replies, and then the next day at the bar with my buddies I'll be spot on. See how that works.

243 joecitizen  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:34:09pm

re: #221 jcw46

I posted that because it was so sexist and I wanted to show how it looked from the other side. Look how many updings it got. frankly that kind of sniping is a sign of some other problem.

oh I gotcha the 1st time,but I expected a frying pan or 3 to be tossed your way...I get really pissed at how husbands and fathers are depicted in commercials,and on tv in general..I don't know any of those guys...

244 Lee Coller  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:34:21pm

re: #215 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What a coincidence. Someone from (a long distance phone company) called me the other day to ask me if I was happy with my carrier.

We're both very important people obviously.

Big deal, I get emails from John McCain, Sarah Palin, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton all the time. I'll even occasionally get one from Arnold Swartzenegger. I even get calls from some of them at times.

245 woodsman  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:34:24pm

"THE QUESTION" for the next debate (hint, hint Bob Schieffer):

Sen Obama if health care is a right shouldn't it be added to the Constitution, and if so, what other rights do you believe Americans do not have that should be added to the constitution by amendment?

Well, uh, Bob, when I am president, we will uh, amend the Constitution to uh, first, add Amendment Number 28 - the Right to Health Care. And there are a few others that we can add at the same time. Those would include, uh, Amendment Number 29 - The Right to have an Abortion, Amendment Number 30 - would abolish Amendment Number 2 (The Right to Bear Arms) and most importantly Tom, I would offer Amendment Number 31 - The Right to Nationalize Industry and confiscate wealth on behalf of the "middle class" in America Bob, because that's only fair.

246 JAK  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:34:32pm

re: #234 calcajun

Questions like that just seem so ummm, well, unfair!

247 Inquisitive  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:34:57pm

re: #182 Viking6

ALLRIGHT PEOPLE, I AM SICK AND TIRED OF THIS LOLLY GAGGING BS. GET YOUR MAGGOT ASSES ON THE DECK STANDING TALL FOR THE MAN THAT IS FLYING COVER FOR YOU. DO IT NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW.

ARE YOU EYEBALLING ME, ARE YOU...

Now that I have your attention we really need to get ahold of our fears, suck it up and move into the Valley cuz there ain't no one else to do the job that needs to be done.


APPALAUSE...APPALAUSE....APPALAUSE ! ! ! !

248 mikeymom  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:35:10pm

re: #230 snowcrash

he let brokaw run all over him--i am so disappointed that he didnt stand up and be more forceful-

249 calcajun  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:35:11pm

re: #233 kansas

If I watch does that mean I have to listen to that idiot Colmes? If so, no thanks.

"idiot" and "Colmes" are redundant. He no longer has my respect when he attacks with talking points instead or reasoning.

Oh - Plain in a leather jacket on H&C. Cool--guess she won't ever get the PETA vote now

250 FishFearMe  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:35:14pm

re: #235 zombie

You think I'm joking! But I assure I am not. I've got an FBI file about as long as my arm.

I have an arm as long as my FBI file. So there! ;)

251 Lively  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:35:43pm

re: #244 Lee Coller

I got an email from Alan Combs once. A real one. Not spam.

252 talon_262  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:35:48pm

re: #79 zombie

Ah, I think that's it. Maybe the appear to be a little thinner, and that produces the effect.

I like it...very clean looking.

253 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:36:00pm

re: #235 zombie

No, I don't think you're joking. I am pointing out that you are significant with a joke.

You da (wo)man Zombs!

254 calcajun  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:36:55pm

re: #246 JAK

Questions like that just seem so ummm, well, unfair!

Not unfair -- Euro-centric and that is why they won't ever be asked.

255 Outrider  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:36:55pm

re: #205 Walter L. Newton

Like I said in a post above. Yes, there is someone else that needs to do the job, McCain. We can't help someone get elected if he shows no interest in running a challenging campaign.

Because he isn't running a campaign according to Newtons playbook? Or other seasoned political campaigners posting in this room-their playbooks? Sounds like he's doing it up fine in the speech tonight as well as other nights. That debate and the rules used were crap.

Alright-he doesn't use the ALL-IN-YOUR-FACE, rude, arrogant putz style we have all (?) come to know and love from American Idol.

The Republicans are handicapped in this race. Reading any article in most newspapers and magazines will reflect ~that~ quite easily; as will watching the TV. THAT is why it is up to us to spread the word.

256 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:37:23pm

Not fer nuthin', but...

Number of political campaigns The Behemoth has run/managed: Less than none.

Number of political campaigns The Maverick has run/managed: More than none.

Just sayin'.

257 calcajun  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:37:36pm

re: #251 Lively

I got an email from Alan Combs once. A real one. Not spam.

What names did he call you and did he challenge you on the validity of all the Dem talking points?

258 Outrider  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:38:06pm

re: #210 Ringo the Gringo

When's the next debate?

Except who's going to help McCain across the finish line?

Us.

259 dak  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:38:08pm

I saw an article today, trying to find it again, I think i got it at pajama media. So brit left wing newspaper editor with a big case of Sara Palin hatred:

He was pissed off that McCain had nominated Palin without consulting the allies.

I am not making this up.

I think it was in the Guardian, dated 10 Sep. His line of reasoning was that since Britain is the US' best ally, and sure to be sucked into any war this crazy woman might start, then the Brits should get to vet any selection of candidates.

Maybe he didn't get the point about the American revolution...

260 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:38:15pm

re: #245 woodsman

While I take your point, you do raise an issue that annoys me: the jumbling of "health care" with "health insurance." I do believe that NO ONE in an emergency should be turned away from medical care, but having insurance is an individual responsibility.

I have wondered, however, whether the government could facilitate people's forming their own groups for insurance coverage.

261 Yankee Division Son  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:38:28pm

ACORN Awesome: Manages to Register 105% of the Population of Indianapolis

-Ace

262 SurferDoc  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:38:38pm

re: #242 kansas

I testify as an expert witness sometimes, so next time I'm in court I space off my replies, and then the next day at the bar with my buddies I'll be spot on. See how that works.

LOL! I testify occasionally too. No argument there.

263 Inquisitive  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:39:30pm

re: #209 noshariaincanada

hannity is asking all the good questions, and Sarah Palin and Sen. John McCain are giving straightforward and good answers. Too bad it's on Fox, I wish it was on something that reaches the lefties, too.


That is the whole issue....Hannity asking good ?.....that lets McCain and Palin get the good info out there. I agree....wish this could reach all the lefties.

264 Last Mohican  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:39:31pm

re: #196 right_in_canada

I heard him clear his throat at one point in the debate! Clearly an "inside" code for what was most likely a racial slur.

He was obviously implying that black people are so stupid that they go around making stupid throat-clearing noises all the time. What a racist.

/s

265 SFGoth  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:40:02pm

He's too busy being bi-partisan to fight with anyone outside his own party.

266 The Shadow Do  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:40:48pm

re: #223 republic

"Independants and swing voters" are morons!

A person is either a conservative, or a liberal, "moderates" are morons who like to think that they are what the election hinges on, while they hold onto their liberal beliefs.

Like Rush has maintained, when conservatives speak conservative, they win in landslides.

McCain needs to speak to his conservative base, #$%@ the "moderates".

I don't think there are "moderates" per se. There are undecided voters. These are folks who vote with their gut. They are always out there. There is no telling what they will do on election day, it's like trying to forecast the weather two weeks from now. These gut voters determine close elections including this one most likely. Ideology has nothing to do with the lever they pull.

267 Desert Dog  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:41:05pm

re: #237 Lively

He wants open borders.....one of the things I am in complete disagreement with him. Phoenix is the wild west in certain parts of town.......you don't go there. Almost of these kidnappings are illegal on illegal. They find dead bodies out in the desert every week....some "executed", others left to die... In addition to their tasty food and beautiful language, they have also brought their crime and criminals with them. They find these safe houses all over the city. Some in extremely nice neighborhoods. 40,50, 100, as many as 300 people in a house.....sometimes being held until their relatives back in Mexico send more money. It is a sad state of affairs here.

268 dak  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:41:20pm

re: #208 republic

Could be also that everybody knows what McCain could have said but did not. We all know it here, and I think many out there know it too.

269 jcm  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:41:29pm

re: #234 calcajun

More is needed. Parrots can give those answers.

Not in my experience. The level of ignorance out there is astounding. If we did a Lizard level test, 1 in a 100 would be voting.....
Not that that would be a entirely a bad thing.

270 J.D.  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:41:34pm

re: #265 SFGoth

He's too busy being bi-partisan to fight with anyone outside his own party.

I'd say you have hit the nail on the head there.

271 SurferDoc  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:41:40pm

The guy is who he is but he isn't stupid. He knows he has to come out swinging and punch hard for three weeks. The real question for me is if he will do it.

272 kevinmumaw  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:41:43pm

re: #212 kansas

Like this will matter at this point? He could be Joe Stalin and women would swoon.

By women you are referring to Chris Matthews, of course.

273 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:41:46pm

re: #76 David IV of Georgia

I'm not voting for Barack and still got called a "N- Lover" at work today by a member of a non-African minority when I hung out with some African-Americans. So am I racist or not?

/confused

//not really

Dave 4 -

In the words of Frank Perdue - PLUCK 'EM!

-S-

274 HoosierHoops[deleted]  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:42:20pm
275 Dianna  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:42:53pm

re: #220 zombie

Wow. Thanks for posting that. I'll have to keep an eye on this story. Very closely.

Ace is all over this.

Considering that I've been a huge Ace booster since his second week in the dextrosphere, I'm thrilled.

I don't comment over there any more - or not much - but I still send him money. Which I'll do tomorrow.

Go, Ace!

276 kansas  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:43:11pm

re: #258 Outrider

Us.

re: #272 kevinmumaw

By women you are referring to Chris Matthews, of course.

Her and Olberdouche.

277 Outrider  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:43:19pm

re: #249 calcajun

"idiot" and "Colmes" are redundant. He no longer has my respect when he attacks with talking points instead or reasoning.

Oh - Plain in a leather jacket on H&C. Cool--guess she won't ever get the PETA vote now

Wait till she wears the fur cloak on inauguration day. ;-)>

278 FishFearMe  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:44:03pm

re: #277 Outrider

Wait till she wears the fur cloak on inauguration day. ;-)>


Baby moose fur, of course.

279 unclassifiable  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:44:09pm

re: #216 jcm

You can narrow that down to one question.

Health care is a right enumerated in the Bill of Rights. True or False?

280 Inquisitive  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:44:11pm

re: #224 zombie

You and I.

And with a lot of others cheering you on and ready to step in if needed.

281 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:44:39pm

re: #255 Outrider

Because he isn't running a campaign according to Newtons playbook? Or other seasoned political campaigners posting in this room-their playbooks? Sounds like he's doing it up fine in the speech tonight as well as other nights. That debate and the rules used were crap.

Alright-he doesn't use the ALL-IN-YOUR-FACE, rude, arrogant putz style we have all (?) come to know and love from American Idol.

The Republicans are handicapped in this race. Reading any article in most newspapers and magazines will reflect ~that~ quite easily; as will watching the TV. THAT is why it is up to us to spread the word.

This has nothing to do with my playbook. First off, it's my opinion. Second, my opinion has been formed by listening to a hell of a lot of people who know much more about this game than me.

We who support McCain are simply preaching to the choir. It doesn't matter how much we work the phones or talk to our friends and pass along our opinions to undecided voters, these voters have to be convinced that the have seen or heard something about the candidate that would impress them enough to vote for him.

And as I say, people MUCH smarter than myself are saying that McCain is not running a good campaign. And I agree, and that's agreement is what I am passing on here.

I could be wrong, I hope I'm wrong.

282 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:44:50pm

Colmes is about to get Newtered again...

283 jwb7605  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:44:55pm

re: #182 Viking6

ALLRIGHT PEOPLE, I AM SICK AND TIRED OF THIS LOLLY GAGGING BS. GET YOUR MAGGOT ASSES ON THE DECK STANDING TALL FOR THE MAN THAT IS FLYING COVER FOR YOU. DO IT NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW.

ARE YOU EYEBALLING ME, ARE YOU...

Now that I have your attention we really need to get ahold of our fears, suck it up and move into the Valley cuz there ain't no one else to do the job that needs to be done.

That's a nice sentiment.
We can launch him, refuel him, and recover him.
He's flying the single-seater A-4, and Palin has assumed fighter cover.
So far, Palin is doing her job.
About all we can is hope that McCain has the target co-ordinates locked in.

284 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:45:13pm

One layer of hope for those of us who still think Mac is sandbagging on purpose...

One debate left. Subtle first debate performance.

Loaded the 2nd prep-period with a meme that he was going to hit hard on Ayers. I'm sure Obama's people loaded him to bare to counter this.

Then nothing happened.

Third debate, no rumors, no warnings to Obama, no special Obama prep, he walks in expecting more of the same. McCain goes for broke and unloads all ordinance on Obama's POS.

A few weeks left, no additional debate opportunities. Run for the finish.

Here's hoping there is still an OODA quiver in that old man's pouch.

I'm willing to bet there is. Won't know for sure until next week.

285 FrogMarch  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:45:34pm

re: #164 Walter L. Newton

Our fighting spirit will get us no where. It's the candidate, McCain that has to convince the Independents and possible swing voters.
He's the one that needs to show some fight. We can't talk up something that doesn't exist.

Yeah - but - BUT - the left-wing media know it will only help Obama is we throw in the towel. His supporters need to fight to the bitter and clingy end. (pssst - that's us)

286 calcajun  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:45:36pm

re: #277 Outrider

Wait till she wears the fur cloak on inauguration day. ;-)>

I really shouldn't have those images in my mind. :)

287 calcajun  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:46:06pm

re: #282 OldLineTexan

Colmes is about to get Newtered again...

You mean Alan's can grow back. Ick!

288 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:46:16pm

re: #202 Killian Bundy

Archives prove Obama was a New Party member

I knew it!,I knew it!Now this needs to be known by all Americans

289 marsl  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:47:29pm

I'm sorry gentleman's, but i saw the debate and McCain didn't crush Obama like it was needed to be.
Now i believe that, unfortunately for America and for the world, that Obama may and can win.
The only good thing of a Obama victory is to see how the moonbatery will deal with Obama. It's going to be funny to see them protesting against the same man they support now.
I hope I'm wrong. Personally, i don't have nothing against Obama or democrats (as an European and Portuguese, American domestic agenda is something i should not concern), but i don't see Obama as a man with the guts to deal with Dinnerjacket and other thugs, or to deal with the problems of this XXI century. After all, it's only going to be a missed chance and a waste of time until America realize that it need another president to fix what it's wrong and get America on track.
Sad but true.

290 jcw46  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:47:56pm

I'm not sure how much of this I even believe but here goes;
It may be that McCain is timing his push back so that He can shape the news and the responses so that certain things are fresh in the memory just before 11/4/08.

Think about it, I remember how a lot of scandalous stuff has come out and you don't hear anything about it 2 weeks later. (unless of course it's a rep doing it) I think McCain knows this and has made a strategic decision to keep from lobbing all the grenades at once and let bho/the media have time to clean everything up and raise some other issue just before the vote. They're now having to talk about ayers whether they want to or not. Sure they're trying to fuzz things but it's out there, front page, top story. I am also sure the timing of this bailout is really making him mad. Paulson's a democrat and help create the situation. Why the urgent need for action just before the Vote? I think they knew this stuff long before this and are using this to stir the sh!t up to hurt McCain. Bush does not like John. (for reasons some of us can relate to) Would he try to sabotage him? Sure. Why not? When has bush cared about fiscal responsibility. Neither Him or His pops are any kind of fis cons. Could be it was out of bush's control. Paulson might have gone over his head or around and made things even worse if Bush didn't go along. So watch the timing. Particularly the final 5 days. That's what voters are going to take into the voting booth.

291 Outrider  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:48:09pm

re: #278 FishFearMe

Baby moose fur, of course.

or baby seal?

292 formercorpsman  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:48:12pm

re: #279 unclassifiable

How much do you want to bet, since terming it a "right" last night, the government will now have to regulate everybody has the same rights?

In that, my inference would be nobody can have more rights, therefore, a common denominator will have to be established, hence, to ensure everyone has the same rights.

In Canada, if you are a provider accepting payment under their system, & someone decides they don't want to wait in line for their knee replacement, wants to pay the surgeon is cash, that surgeon has now violated the law in Canada.

293 dak  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:48:13pm

ya, the problem is that the A4 was a pathetic little scooter. It could roll like a SOB, but that's about all. No offence to any Navy or Marine that flew it or maintained it.

294 FrogMarch  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:48:46pm

re: #261 Yankee Division Son

ACORN Awesome: Manages to Register 105% of the Population of Indianapolis

-Ace

McCain might legitimately win this thing. But Obama might win if ACORN and the lying democrat cheaters get their way. As a nation we must fix this.
STOP THE DEMOCRAT CHEATERS.

295 jwb7605  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:48:47pm

re: #284 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

One layer of hope for those of us who still think Mac is sandbagging on purpose...

One debate left. Subtle first debate performance.

Loaded the 2nd prep-period with a meme that he was going to hit hard on Ayers. I'm sure Obama's people loaded him to bare to counter this.

Then nothing happened.

Third debate, no rumors, no warnings to Obama, no special Obama prep, he walks in expecting more of the same. McCain goes for broke and unloads all ordinance on Obama's POS.

A few weeks left, no additional debate opportunities. Run for the finish.

Here's hoping there is still an OODA quiver in that old man's pouch.

I'm willing to bet there is. Won't know for sure until next week.


Agreed. If he does exactly that, I'll expect bitching, whining, moaning, and various and sundry negative vibes from a significant number of lizards here leading up to it.
BUT, I'll be happy to say "tolja so!"

296 psyop  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:49:13pm

re: #269 jcm

Not in my experience. The level of ignorance out there is astounding. If we did a Lizard level test, 1 in a 100 would be voting.....
Not that that would be a entirely a bad thing.

It is a sad thing that most citizens born would not be able to pass the test required to become naturalized.

*sigh*

Who was is (recently) that said "Ignorance is our most expensive commodity."?

Meaning, of course, that ignorance costs our country the most, in both finance and innovation.

297 woodsman  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:49:21pm

re: #260 goddessoftheclassroom

I guess I'd have to go back to the debate tape to get it right. Was it "health insurance" or "health care" that Obama said should be a "right?"

Either way - when you start spouting off about new "rights" the point is When does he stop?

Amendment Number 28 - the Right to Health Care.
Amendment Number 29 - The Right to have an Abortion
Amendment Number 30 - Abolishes Amendment Number 2 (The Right to Bear Arms)
Amendment Number 31 - The Right to Nationalize Industry and confiscate wealth on behalf of the "middle class"

298 jcm  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:49:27pm

re: #279 unclassifiable

You can narrow that down to one question.

Health care is a right enumerated in the Bill of Rights. True or False?

LOL!
I got into a rights argument today. My sparring partner could not comprehend a right cannot place a burden on another.

299 LoFlyer  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:49:35pm

re: #274 HoosierHoops

You are in my blackberry! Charles please delete loflyers personal info..
Thanks
Loflyer...I'll call you thursday after lunch..
I have a close friend from Africa that runs our GWAN from the Atlanta area and covers the eastern seaboard..Looking for Network engineering help...

Arrrr, this could be a beautiful relationship, but I warn 'ye, the women at Emory are gorgeous, and with 'me brother running interferrence I expect little difficulty climbing on board...Yaaar! PS. I enjoy talking to all LGF'ers so if nothing comes out, we will at least have talked and enjoyed each others views on issues. Thanks, Mate!

300 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:50:59pm

re: #285 FrogMarch

Yeah - but - BUT - the left-wing media know it will only help Obama is we throw in the towel. His supporters need to fight to the bitter and clingy end. (pssst - that's us)

I don't see it that way. What helps Obama is if the right wing doesn't have a LEADER who is fighting for the position. I don't care if McCain said the right things tonight at some speech or on Fox news. Campaign stops and appearing on Fox news is simply preaching to the choir.

Last night he had the oppertunity to talk to a lot of people ON BOTH SIDE and independents. That's when he should have been saying the right things.

Look, the MSM is not going away right now. McCain has to work in the medium that is offered to him. Whining about how Brokaw did this or that doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

McCain wasted a chance to get his message out last night. On a national level, he only has one more chance. That's not really good odds.

301 jcw46  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:51:59pm

re: #293 dak
did YOU ever fly one?

302 dak  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:52:02pm

Question:

How impartial are all those polls the media keeps citing? Are they beleivable? Or are they like the MSM themselves?

303 jcm  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:52:06pm

re: #296 psyop

It is a sad thing that most citizens born would not be able to pass the test required to become naturalized.

*sigh*

Who was is (recently) that said "Ignorance is our most expensive commodity."?

Meaning, of course, that ignorance costs our country the most, in both finance and innovation.

How sadly true. If our founding documents were taught and respected, this election John McCain would be the democrat the Republican would be Duncan Hunter. Obama would be an ACORN worker filing out dozens of fraudulent voter regs to meet his quota.

304 jwb7605  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:52:12pm

re: #293 dak

ya, the problem is that the A4 was a pathetic little scooter. It could roll like a SOB, but that's about all. No offence to any Navy or Marine that flew it or maintained it.

I launched, recovered, and maintained the F-8J (the wing went up and down on a pivot!), which flew cover for the pathetic little A-4 scooters.

It's amazing what can be done with pathetic equipment in the hands of the right attitude, though.

305 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:52:41pm

re: #290 jcw46

From your mouth to God's ears.

or

So it is written, so it shall be done.

306 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:52:52pm

re: #297 woodsman

I guess I'd have to go back to the debate tape to get it right. Was it "health insurance" or "health care" that Obama said should be a "right?"

Either way - when you start spouting off about new "rights" the point is When does he stop?

Amendment Number 28 - the Right to Health Care.
Amendment Number 29 - The Right to have an Abortion
Amendment Number 30 - Abolishes Amendment Number 2 (The Right to Bear Arms)
Amendment Number 31 - The Right to Nationalize Industry and confiscate wealth on behalf of the "middle class"

Sad to say, I won't live long enough to see #31. I'll go down in flames when they try to enforce #30.

307 dak  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:53:00pm

re: #301 jcw46


Why, do you need to drive a Lada to know it's a piece of crap?

The A4 was a bit like the F5. A lightweight.

308 claire  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:53:41pm

re: #259 dak

He was pissed off that McCain had nominated Palin without consulting the allies.

Yes- We had dinner over the weekend with a couple from Yorkshire with whom we reached a Mexican Standoff over the election. We were trying to explain how Obama is a socialist and people are not getting the whole story here because the media is rooting for him, and they were both like "oh, I think you are mistaken and being mislead- if this was true, surely the media would be reporting on it." He just could not digest how on earth it was that we didn't see Obama as a force for good. I tried to get the point across that as Americans, we don't really give a rat's ass what other countries think of us, and you tell us we lost a lot of good will with Bush, but I kept telling him that if we had it in the first place it wasn't exactly obvious. It got a bit ugly unfortunately.

What was most remarkable actually was that this wanker even felt like he was entitled to an opinion about this election in the first place since he is not a citizen of this country!

309 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:53:49pm

G'night John-Boy!

310 unclassifiable  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:54:21pm

The socialist are out there and they are not hiding.

They are the ones saying that this is a contest between "we're all in this together" vs. "you're on your own".

They have been indoctrinated in this think for many years in the public education system.

To them wealth is never generated. It is just passed around from one rich guy to the other like some big game -- all they want is a fair share of it.

The American Dream of the little guys pulling themselves up by their own bootstraps doesn't exist -- it is a lie.

In their world, one person cannot make a difference. Only the mob and the gang count.

These is the thoughts of the enemy and this is what we are fighting against.

Join Us.

311 Outrider  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:54:26pm

re: #281 Walter L. Newton

This has nothing to do with my playbook. First off, it's my opinion. Second, my opinion has been formed by listening to a hell of a lot of people who know much more about this game than me.

We who support McCain are simply preaching to the choir. It doesn't matter how much we work the phones or talk to our friends and pass along our opinions to undecided voters, these voters have to be convinced that the have seen or heard something about the candidate that would impress them enough to vote for him.

And as I say, people MUCH smarter than myself are saying that McCain is not running a good campaign. And I agree, and that's agreement is what I am passing on here.

I could be wrong, I hope I'm wrong.

Cool. I say, he is running almost as good a campaign as he can run under the constraints we are given. Yes, I wish he was more aggressive, but that is the style I have acquired in my career, he has not-given he is a negotiator in the Senate.

I'm not judging his campaign based on silly assed debates that are created and run by the opposition party. Trying to get out all the talking points that are needed in those constraints is like trying to do the same thing in an on-line chat room. The limitations are too constraining to adequately do so. Both of these debates have been time wasters for both candidates.

Basically, it comes down to his speeches and people proselytizing for him in their neighborhoods, work places, relatives, and around town.

312 quickjustice  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:54:31pm

McCain said the North Vietnamese broke him. A humbling and heartfelt confession from a man literally broken for his country, but I now wonder if he has anything left inside him with which to fight for his party, for us, and for his country.

His gentle treatment of Obama, who embodies the Marxist fervor of McCain's communist torturers, suggests a man who has lost the will to win.

I hope I'm wrong. And I'll be working on election day for the GOP nonetheless.

313 pingjockey  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:55:30pm

Put my masochist hat on and watched part of uber dork and Madcow. Unbelievable. They should label themselves a wholly owned subsidiary of the DNC. Rachel Madcow had a IAVA asshat on. I am so glad I was never stationed with such a fool. Totally spinning the IAVA as a 'legitimate' vet group. Sure just like the winter soldiers were. McCain needs to quit dickin' around and get with the fucking program!

314 lummox  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:55:47pm

re: #138 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Everyone's a bit racist...

Indeed

315 Outrider  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:56:07pm

re: #284 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

One layer of hope for those of us who still think Mac is sandbagging on purpose...

One debate left. Subtle first debate performance.

Loaded the 2nd prep-period with a meme that he was going to hit hard on Ayers. I'm sure Obama's people loaded him to bare to counter this.

Then nothing happened.

Third debate, no rumors, no warnings to Obama, no special Obama prep, he walks in expecting more of the same. McCain goes for broke and unloads all ordinance on Obama's POS.

A few weeks left, no additional debate opportunities. Run for the finish.

Here's hoping there is still an OODA quiver in that old man's pouch.

I'm willing to bet there is. Won't know for sure until next week.

Assuming the framers of the debate has left him the latitude to do that. Or the moderator isn't in the bag.

316 Outrider  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:57:04pm

re: #286 calcajun

I really shouldn't have those images in my mind. :)

Hmmm You probably wouldn't want the one that just flashed across my mind just now then. lol

317 dak  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:57:30pm

...and before we haggle over that A4 comment...

We had F-5s up here for years. We took them down to Red Flag once in a while. We had excellent pilots. But there's only so much you can do.

The plan was that we would reinforce NATO's northern flank (Norway) in case WW3 broke out.

I'm sure glad we did not have to send our people in a real war in F5s.

318 jcm  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:57:36pm

re: #306 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Sad to say, I won't live long enough to see #31. I'll go down in flames when they try to enforce #30.

Everything hangs on the 2nd. When words (the first) no longer work, and the reason the the first is the first. Then the second is what preserves the rest. Lose the 2nd, we lose it all.

319 The Shadow Do  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:58:11pm

re: #312 quickjustice

McCain said the North Vietnamese broke him. A humbling and heartfelt confession from a man literally broken for his country, but I now wonder if he has anything left inside him with which to fight for his party, for us, and for his country.

His gentle treatment of Obama, who embodies the Marxist fervor of McCain's communist torturers, suggests a man who has lost the will to win.

I hope I'm wrong. And I'll be working on election day for the GOP nonetheless.

You are wrong. thanks for pitching in though.

320 boogberg  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:59:22pm

re: #234 calcajun

10 question quiz, must get 80% to qualify to vote.

1) What date was the Declaration of Independence signed and what is the last line?
2) When was the Constitution Ratified?
3) What form of government was established?
etc...

More is needed. Parrots can give those answers.

Assuming you're serious, you do realize that you would violate the US Constitution by requiring otherwise eligible voters to answer questions about it, don't you?

321 jcm  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:59:22pm

re: #317 dak

...and before we haggle over that A4 comment...

We had F-5s up here for years. We took them down to Red Flag once in a while. We had excellent pilots. But there's only so much you can do.

The plan was that we would reinforce NATO's northern flank (Norway) in case WW3 broke out.

I'm sure glad we did not have to send our people in a real war in F5s.

Yeager liked the F-5, he wrote about in his bio.

322 snowcrash  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 6:59:39pm

re: #315 Outrider
Also consider that the ratings may not be very high. BTW, checked out your blog from the blue nic. Very nice.

323 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:00:38pm

re: #204 goddessoftheclassroom

I REFUSE to conform to that PC expectation.

I readily admit that there are condescending at best and insulting at worst words and phrases that demean blacks. One of the ones heard frequently in old movies is the calling of a black man "boy." That does make me wince--as much as I love the movie Casablanca, Ilsa does refer to Same that way. While it's clear that she does not mean to be insulting, it is indicative of her internalized awareness of her cultural/racial perception.

Some of them are too easily misconstrued by those who do not know the English language well although they've spoken it all their lives—those words and phrases I avoid. Abusing masculine/feminine/plural nouns to avoid offense I rarely do. English almost always picks one gender of something and makes it the plural of the whole group unless the speaker is specifically specifying a gender:
Lion, lioness, lions
Gander, goose, geese
Bull, cow, cows
But for some reason people don't seem to know that when someone calls a group of men and women "men" and think it is patriarchal. Is it matriarchal when ganders get called geese? PC is destroying the language. I should brush up on my Latin—at least it no longer changes.

324 woodsman  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:00:44pm

re: #318 jcm

Everything hangs on the 2nd. When words (the first) no longer work, and the reason the the first is the first. Then the second is what preserves the rest. Lose the 2nd, we lose it all.

Well said.

325 nyc redneck  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:01:20pm

re: #312 quickjustice

McCain said the North Vietnamese broke him. A humbling and heartfelt confession from a man literally broken for his country, but I now wonder if he has anything left inside him with which to fight for his party, for us, and for his country.

His gentle treatment of Obama, who embodies the Marxist fervor of McCain's communist torturers, suggests a man who has lost the will to win.

I hope I'm wrong. And I'll be working on election day for the GOP nonetheless.

they only broke him once and very briefly. he was able to regain his strength and the never broke him again.

326 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:01:28pm

re: #311 Outrider

Basically, it comes down to his speeches and people proselytizing for him in their neighborhoods, work places, relatives, and around town.

No it doesn't. If I was going to have a "come to Jesus" moment, than I would surely want to read the book that tells me what he thinks and what he did.

McCain is that book. And I would hope the hell that an American who is interested in his responsibilities as a voter would not vote for someone just because someone was "proselytizing."

You can tell me all about a candidate but at some point, I'm sure a hell going to go right to the source and see if what I had been told has any truth behind it.

Last night was McCains chance to show those interested voters who and what he was, he failed. And don't blame it on the constraints of the debate. It was the TWO CANDIDATES who agreed on the format, not Tom Brokaw.

327 jcw46  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:02:26pm

re: #307 dak

Why, do you need to drive a Lada to know it's a piece of crap?

The A4 was a bit like the F5. A lightweight.


That's apples and oranges friend and yes actually you do need to. Unless you have operated a piece of equipment, it's rather cavalier to make claims for it's performance (especially in the light of more positive assessments BY PEOPLE WHO FLEW IT!) unless you have some first hand knowledge. which is why I asked: "have you ever flown one" I assume the answer is "no" thus your opinion about it's operability can only be second hand from someone who has flown it or someone writing about it. I don't agree with your assessment but since MY information is second hand, I asked if you had.

328 Outrider  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:02:28pm

re: #322 snowcrash

Also consider that the ratings may not be very high. BTW, checked out your blog from the blue nic. Very nice.

Thank you. Every visitor is appreciated. ;-)>

329 armytramp  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:03:16pm

John McCain bio on Biography Channel tonight. They are also airing Faith of Our Fathers. I've got my VCR on!

330 solomonpanting  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:03:17pm

Missouri officials suspect fake voter registration

Officials in Missouri, a hard-fought jewel in the presidential race, are sifting through possibly hundreds of questionable or duplicate voter-registration forms submitted by an advocacy group that has been accused of election fraud in other states.
Charlene Davis, co-director of the election board in Jackson County, where Kansas City is, said the fraudulent registration forms came from the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN. She said they were bogging down work Wednesday, the final day Missourians could register to vote.
The nonpartisan group works to recruit low-income voters, who tend to lean Democratic.

I hear Obama was a community organizer.

331 Syrah  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:03:37pm

re: #302 dak

Question:

How impartial are all those polls the media keeps citing? Are they beleivable? Or are they like the MSM themselves?

Most people come to their politics emotionally.

I believe the polls. The Intrade polls are pretty rock solid.

McCain needs to take the gloves off and become much more aggressive. He has nothing left to lose at this point.

332 Scion9  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:03:40pm

re: #245 woodsman

"THE QUESTION" for the next debate (hint, hint Bob Schieffer):

Sen Obama if health care is a right shouldn't it be added to the Constitution, and if so, what other rights do you believe Americans do not have that should be added to the constitution by amendment?

The whole concept of healthcare being a right is so profoundly immoral. The 'Right' to force people to work for, and provide a service on your behalf under threat of legal action, imprisonment, or force by Federal or State Governments for those that don't comply with such a mandated contract was abolished on December 6th, 1865 with the ratification of the 13th Amendment.

333 dak  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:05:07pm

re: #321 jcm


Our pilots liked the F5 too. Neat little scooter, simple, forgiving.

They also had the flying club mentality.

Ours had no radar, and no rails for air air missiles (sidewinders). Only in the end. Thrust to weight ratio very low.

I like little MGs and VW bugs. But I wouldnt' want to drive one in NASCAR.

334 unclassifiable  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:05:11pm

re: #292 formercorpsman

re: #298 jcm

Think about this. You get health care from the government. It still takes money no matter how crappy it is. And here you are you bible totin', gun clinging, bitter person...

And by the way guns are dangerous. Could cause bodily harm if it goes off accidentally. That really drains the system. It makes sense if were are trying to save the taxpayer money from unnecessary gunshot wounds, we, your government health care provider, should take them away from you. You know -- for your own good.

And way too many of you Southerners like your BBQ. But cooking fatty meat over partially uncombusted hydrocarbons is dangerous...

335 jwb7605  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:05:29pm
re: #297 woodsman
I guess I'd have to go back to the debate tape to get it right. Was it "health insurance" or "health care" that Obama said should be a "right?"

Either way - when you start spouting off about new "rights" the point is When does he stop?

Amendment Number 28 - the Right to Health Care.
Amendment Number 29 - The Right to have an Abortion
Amendment Number 30 - Abolishes Amendment Number 2 (The Right to Bear Arms)
Amendment Number 31 - The Right to Nationalize Industry and confiscate wealth on behalf of the "middle class"


re: #306 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Sad to say, I won't live long enough to see #31. I'll go down in flames when they try to enforce #30.

This link directly addresses "those people" who would make decisions on the right to keep and bear arms
... or is it the right to keep and arm bears?
// I forget ...

336 jcm  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:06:03pm

re: #320 boogberg

Assuming you're serious, you do realize that you would violate the US Constitution by requiring otherwise eligible voters to answer questions about it, don't you?

Semi serious. I know it would never fly. Serious in that the ignorance among the populace is alarming. We are approaching the de Tocqueville tipping point, when over half the population has been bribed by congress with public money.

337 FishFearMe  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:06:29pm

re: #328 Outrider

I checked out your place, too. I'll bookmark it and visit as often as possible, amigo.

338 calcajun  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:07:14pm

re: #320 boogberg

Assuming you're serious, you do realize that you would violate the US Constitution by requiring otherwise eligible voters to answer questions about it, don't you?

I did not suggest the above criteria. I decried the fact that there are thousands of voters who cast their precious ballot because they like a candidate's hair ,or don't like the way he smirks or they have absolutely no grasp of the issues. I have actually been asked, "Why would you not vote for a black man?" by some younger voters, suggesting that I was racist. I suggested they were fools if they were voting for Obama merely because of the novelty of him being black.

I have said it several times--the founders of this Republic never meant for all its citizens to have the vote. They knew the dangers of mob rule and worked very hard to avoid it. The rationale was that ordinary folks were too busy providing for their families to adequately familiarize themselves with the issues. People of means--the landed classes-had the education, time and temperment to weigh the issues and vote. The whole point was to keep the mob from voting itself bread and circuses.

339 Outrider  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:07:38pm

re: #326 Walter L. Newton

No it doesn't. If I was going to have a "come to Jesus" moment, than I would surely want to read the book that tells me what he thinks and what he did.

McCain is that book. And I would hope the hell that an American who is interested in his responsibilities as a voter would not vote for someone just because someone was "proselytizing."

You can tell me all about a candidate but at some point, I'm sure a hell going to go right to the source and see if what I had been told has any truth behind it.

Last night was McCains chance to show those interested voters who and what he was, he failed. And don't blame it on the constraints of the debate. It was the TWO CANDIDATES who agreed on the format, not Tom Brokaw.

Noted. I'm tired of holding peoples hands and tying to pep talk mature adults. We are all proselytizing ( To induce someone to join one's own political party or to espouse one's doctrine) every time we go out and talk up a candidate

You don't want to vote for the Senator? Then don't. It's that easy. You don't think he is qualified to be POTUS? Then don't vote for him. Vote for Sen Obama because although he is an empty suit. he has the ON STAGE personna you seem to want.

340 JAK  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:07:40pm

re: #320 boogberg

Not PC of course, but the original (Art 1. Sec. 4) says the times, places, and manner of holding elections for Senators and Representatives shall be prescribed by the legislature thereof. Doesn't seem to rule out a qualification test to me!

341 dak  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:08:42pm

re: #327 jcw46


Roll rate is a performance indicator. It is a quantifiable. Ergo you don't need to fly one - you get a test pilot to produce the tables.

(Actually, you get a flight test engineer to tell the pilots what to do - a stick monkey)!

So unless somebody has personally flown any and all aircraft, he cannot comment on known performance?

342 jcm  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:08:54pm

re: #333 dak

Our pilots liked the F5 too. Neat little scooter, simple, forgiving.

They also had the flying club mentality.

Ours had no radar, and no rails for air air missiles (sidewinders). Only in the end. Thrust to weight ratio very low.

I like little MGs and VW bugs. But I wouldnt' want to drive one in NASCAR.

Yeager was old school, he like a simple plane and a highly trained pilot. But in this day and age there's a need for the F-22, and old bomb truck like an A-10.

343 Infidel_One  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:08:58pm

re: #210 Ringo the Gringo

When's the next debate?

Except who's going to help McCain across the finish line?

I would gladly suffer the pain that this crippled up old body would have
to endure to help "carry" Mr. McCain across the finish line.
He has earned that kind of respect.

Soetoro wrote 2 books

And I am a Canuck

344 Outrider  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:09:43pm

re: #337 FishFearMe

I checked out your place, too. I'll bookmark it and visit as often as possible, amigo.

Thanks. Always nice to hear. ;-)>

345 formercorpsman  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:10:19pm

re: #334 unclassifiable

Everything we do in medicine which is billed out, comes in the form of codes.

Diagnostic, and procedural. Other types of codes exist, but I digress.

With more of the information being digital, this can become reality.

Information will be culled, used as support for policy directed by health and human services, therefore minimizing voter's influence, and granting more control to the bureaucracy.

346 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:11:41pm

again, at the risk of repeating myself
John, ahem (insert sound of throat clearing)
if healthcare is a "right"
why not "food" before it
you don't eat, you starve to death genius

and why not a right to transportation
how the fuck do we get to the goddam doctor without a car

and what about a right to "happiness" as outlined in the Declaration of Independence
you KNOW where I am going with this don't you ?

FREE DRUGS

347 FrogMarch  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:11:59pm

re: #330 solomonpanting

Missouri officials suspect fake voter registration

I hear Obama was a community organizer.


ACORN is the democrat mob.

348 woodsman  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:13:25pm

re: #335 jwb7605

This link directly addresses "those people" who would make decisions on the right to keep and bear arms
... or is it the right to keep and arm bears?
// I forget ...

Hah - thanks - Looks like one nice shotgun too.

349 dak  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:13:28pm

re: #342 jcm

Well, I read a lot about Yeager. I don't recall many planes he did not like ('cept for the Mig 15).

Flying planes is fun. But fighting one is different.

F5s were nice, but when they got picked off by F16s and F15s because they had radar and missiles and we didn't, the fun stops real fast.

Of course, it only costs a beer in an exercice. It cost McCain 5 years in the slammer.

I'm glad we did not have to fight the Commies in the F5

350 formercorpsman  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:14:23pm

[Link: www.ft.com...]

Oil

351 unclassifiable  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:14:34pm

re: #345 formercorpsman

Sounds like you picked up on Obama throwing HICFA under the bus. A national health database to avoid paperwork.

Yeah right.

Remember, if you avoid all of the paper work you just may end up with a handful of sh*t.

352 jaunte  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:14:34pm

re: #347 FrogMarch

From your link: Here's an Acorner setting up the mob for its next grievance:

"Ordower said Wednesday that ACORN registered about 53,500 people in Missouri this year. He believes his group is being targeted because some politicians don't want that many low-income people having a voice.
"It's par for the course," he said. "When you're doing more registrations than anyone else in the country, some don't want low-income people being empowered to vote. There are pretty targeted attacks on us, but we're proud to be out there doing the patriotic thing getting people registered to vote."

353 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:15:10pm

re: #339 Outrider

Noted. I'm tired of holding peoples hands and tying to pep talk mature adults. We are all proselytizing ( To induce someone to join one's own political party or to espouse one's doctrine) every time we go out and talk up a candidate

You don't want to vote for the Senator? Then don't. It's that easy. You don't think he is qualified to be POTUS? Then don't vote for him. Vote for Sen Obama because although he is an empty suit. he has the ON STAGE personna you seem to want.

You assume TOO much. Of course I'm going to vote for McCain. I've said that before here. And I'm not looking for a certain on stage persona. As I have already said, I'm part of the choir.

But in my opinion, if McCain wants to tie up this election, then he is going to have to convince the Independents and the possible swing voters. And not one of use can do that job for him. We can be behind him to lend the support and encouragment, but McCain has to start acting like a leader.

The apostles would have been up the creek if they went around preaching a message about this wonderful savior, and didn't have diddly to back up their faith.

354 Archimedes  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:15:14pm

re: #14 akak

[Link: debbieschlussel.com...]

That is hilarious!

355 FrogMarch  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:15:31pm

re: #300 Walter L. Newton

I don't see it that way. What helps Obama is if the right wing doesn't have a LEADER who is fighting for the position. I don't care if McCain said the right things tonight at some speech or on Fox news. Campaign stops and appearing on Fox news is simply preaching to the choir.

Last night he had the oppertunity to talk to a lot of people ON BOTH SIDE and independents. That's when he should have been saying the right things.

Look, the MSM is not going away right now. McCain has to work in the medium that is offered to him. Whining about how Brokaw did this or that doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

McCain wasted a chance to get his message out last night. On a national level, he only has one more chance. That's not really good odds.

Maybe to us. Some people liked what he had to say. I agree McCain needs to do better. much better - but we shouldn't throw in the towel until Claire McCatkill spits on another ear piece.

356 formercorpsman  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:18:02pm

re: #351 unclassifiable

19 years in it now.

In addition to actually giving needles, and pushing broken bones back in place, I am also very involved in reimbursement issues.

I give coding advice in this arena as well.

357 Syrah  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:19:32pm

re: #346 Adrenalyn

again, at the risk of repeating myself
John, ahem (insert sound of throat clearing)
if healthcare is a "right"
why not "food" before it
you don't eat, you starve to death genius

and why not a right to transportation
how the fuck do we get to the goddam doctor without a car

and what about a right to "happiness" as outlined in the Declaration of Independence
you KNOW where I am going with this don't you ?

FREE DRUGS

In the Brave New World of the Obama Nation, Soma will be prescribed to everyone, whether they want it or not. "Soma was served with the coffee. Lenina took two half-gramme tablets and Henry three."

358 hazzyday  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:19:49pm

I would like to see McCain identify the top 10 golden parachute CEO's that precipitated this crisis in the markets and give a shout out to Sen Schumer and Frank. You only go around once in life like this, you don't let these creeps abuse the country like that.

And instill some confidence in the average American about their financial future.

359 godfrey  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:20:48pm

Palin's interview with Greta is great. I hope someone YouTube's the whole thing. No stilted talking points, just full-on Sarah Palin. Totally winning.

360 dak  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:20:51pm

re: #352 jaunte


This assumes low income people vote Democrat?

361 jaunte  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:21:35pm

re: #360 dak

Ordower apparently is making that assumption, yes.

362 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:22:21pm

re: #355 FrogMarch

Maybe to us. Some people liked what he had to say. I agree McCain needs to do better. much better - but we shouldn't throw in the towel until Claire McCatkill spits on another ear piece.

Holy misunderstanding Batman. I'm not talking about throwing in the towel. I'm not talking about not voting for him. I'm not suggesting we put on our berets and start acting like it's France around here.

But I am talking about McCain needs to do much better, just like you said. I get the impression that some people are so wrapped up in the "us against them" meme here, that you will do or say anything except face the facts.

What in heavens name are you going to say when one of your undecided friends or family mambers comes back to you and says "well, I watched the video of that debate that was on the other night and gosh, gee, doggone it, he's not anything like you said he was."

I guess that's when you'll understand what I'm saying.

363 n in wi  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:22:45pm

re: #354 Archimedes

this si un-freaking-believable

364 dak  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:23:07pm

I guess he did not mention his group might be targeted because of vote fraud in 14 states?

365 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:23:38pm

re: #353 Walter L. Newton

But Walter, I don't think it would have done Jesus any good to have his disciples continually announcing their doubts of his claims to the masses!

We're not disciples of John McCain, though. Not like the Obama fans are disciples of him. So we do criticize him when we think he has made a mistake.

However, we're coming up on backs-to-the-wall time, and we're going to have to buck up and support him even when he does things we do not like.

Walter, you are an influential poster here. If you post "weak" on support for McCain/Palin, others will lose heart. And we cannot have core voters losing heart, not when we're trying to win those "undecided" folks.

That's how I see it. Take it how you will. No offense intended at all, Walter. Please know that.

366 hazzyday  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:23:55pm

re: #347 FrogMarch

ACORN is the democrat mob.

If a county election official doesn't have an official inquiry into ACORN active I would suspect them of not doing their job for the voters. A good thing to contact your Senators and Representatives about.

367 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:24:01pm

re: #360 dak

This assumes low income people vote Democrat?

Yes- it's typical classism on the part of ACORN. Low income people couldn't possibly be conservative- why, no! Low income people want a hand out and not economic and societal conditions that will allow them to work hard and make a better life for themselves and their children! What a bunch of assholes.

368 jaunte  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:24:22pm

re: #364 dak

He's definitely retailing the party line.

369 George guy  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:25:21pm

105% of the eligible voters in Indianapolis? What is even the crap?

370 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:25:24pm

re: #357 Syrah

In the Brave New World of the Obama Nation, Soma will be prescribed to everyone, whether they want it or not. "Soma was served with the coffee. Lenina took two half-gramme tablets and Henry three."

Of course, Soma is now an actual drug brand name (muscle relaxant).

371 pingjockey  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:26:01pm

Well I guess polls aren't myths made up by the msm, I just participated in one and I forgot to ask who the hell was doing it! Asked me what the most important issue was among taxez and gov't spending, wall street, Iraq, and the GWOT. Who I'd vote for as prez and my local congress critter.

372 dak  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:26:11pm

re: #369 George guy

Is this true or was this a joke?

373 dak  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:27:27pm

re: #371 pingjockey


Yes but polls might be made by "think tanks" or other organizations that can be ... hired.

374 FishFearMe  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:27:41pm

re: #361 jaunte

As a low income person, I am all for registering my fellow poor folks to vote provided that: they are American citizens of good standing (not felons, etc), registered only once and not DEAD.

375 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:28:15pm

re: #365 Intrepid

See my #362 if you haven't already.

376 jaunte  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:28:23pm

re: #369 George guy

The Party salutes the Stakhanovite Acorn workers of Indianapolis for giving a revolutionary 110% effort!

377 dak  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:28:48pm

Gentlemen, alway a pleasure. Gotta go to bed, early day tomorrow.

378 jaunte  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:29:22pm

re: #374 FishFearMe

I'm all in favor, if they can prove their name is indeed DDGGSsFCCX.

379 Boogberg  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:29:40pm

re: #338 calcajun

I have said it several times--the founders of this Republic never meant for all its citizens to have the vote. They knew the dangers of mob rule and worked very hard to avoid it. The rationale was that ordinary folks were too busy providing for their families to adequately familiarize themselves with the issues. People of means--the landed classes-had the education, time and temperment to weigh the issues and vote. The whole point was to keep the mob from voting itself bread and circuses.

Do you really think that's gonna fly in the 21st century though? Compare today's literacy rate with that of the 18th century, for instance.

It sounds to me like you're trying to move the goal posts.

380 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:29:56pm

re: #376 jaunte

The Party salutes the Stakhanovite Acorn workers of Indianapolis for giving a revolutionary 110% effort!

LOL. Did Winston Smith write that memo?

381 FishFearMe  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:30:08pm

re: #378 jaunte

Or Tony Romo.

382 pingjockey  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:30:11pm

re: #373 dak
Yeah, that's why I'm po'd that I didn't ask what the organization was. She said it at the begining but I was busy turning down the TV and getting ready to listen to questions.

383 wright1  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:30:27pm

re: #365 Intrepid

Not to worry - I suspect nearly everyone at this site will support McCain. Moreover, while there are a few out there who are getting wobbly (understandably) - most understand that there is hope. Here is why: 2 things, those being polled are giving in many cases white guilt answers. Second, there may be more PUMA(s) than you know. But third, McCain and mostly Palin are far from done yet. It has been said repeatedly here and other places but the last two races - especially, Gore/Bush were not close at this time in Gore's favor. Zogby has at 2 %.
That is a good sign in spite of all the many many bad things that have happened. Ignore the press - they are invested in defeat ofMcCain the way they were invested in defeat in Iraq.

384 jaunte  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:30:40pm

re: #380 Walter L. Newton

Got it in one!

385 George guy  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:31:27pm

re: #376 jaunte

Technically it's only a 105% effort, although if you consider the fact that in the real world, maybe 25% or so of the eligible population is not registered, it's closer to a 150% effort.

Congratulations, comrades!

386 jwb7605  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:32:14pm

So, Charles was concerned about Trolls when he opened up registration yesterday.

I haven't really seen anything outrageous, but I haven't opened up that many threads, either.

Anybody I should know about?

387 willowone  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:32:55pm

[Link: blogs.suntimes.com...]

Obama's campaign has been endorsed by ACORN's political action committee and their sister corporation received nearly $1 million from Obama's campaign which they originally misrepresented on their FEC report

388 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:33:02pm

re: #384 jaunte

Got it in one!

Well, Winston is a dear friend of mine.

[Link: home.comcast.net...]

389 formercorpsman  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:34:02pm

Goodnight.

390 CynicalConservative  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:34:40pm

re: #386 jwb7605

So, Charles was concerned about Trolls when he opened up registration yesterday.

I haven't really seen anything outrageous, but I haven't opened up that many threads, either.

Anybody I should know about?

Haven't seen any myself and Edgar seems to be in hiding...

391 jaunte  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:34:51pm

re: #388 Walter L. Newton

Interesting; I'll send you a script request.

392 hazzyday  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:35:19pm

I would like to see people running for the state GOP office start to campaign against the Democrats connections to the financial crisis in the media. I see the Dems in our state routinely bashing President Bush and our local candidates together.

I think the favorite Obama/Alinsky tactic here is to yell "Good candidates don't throw stones John" And when Sen. McCain drops his rock, a KOStard throws a stone at Sen McCain from behind a tree. "Oops John, not my fault" David vs Goliath in the MSM.

393 sadhu  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:35:57pm

re: #14 akak

[Link: debbieschlussel.com...]

amazing the idiots that are allowed to vote

394 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:36:21pm

re: #375 Walter L. Newton

See my #362 if you haven't already.

Gotcha - read it. Yes, I would loved to have seen John McCain come out and slam Obama last night, but I do not think the format was conducive to it. Not with those asinine questions posed by the "town hall folks", who were pre-screened for moonbattery.

He's going to have to come out strong on the stump, and in interviews. And when the last debate rolls around, he should have enough clear talking points that maybe he can lob some good hits over Obama's bow.

I am an optimist, and I do not believe in giving up until it is clear - on Nov 4 late evening - that we have lost. And I also know that there are many who waver easily in their support. I think it's important to encourage the "troops" to not give up, to keep fighting! To get out there and volunteer at their local RNC locations, to man/woman the phone banks, to give financially if they can. Every little bit helps!

395 Syrah  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:36:47pm

re: #370 OldLineTexan

Of course, Soma is now an actual drug brand name (muscle relaxant).

{boggle} I had no idea.

I wonder what possessed someone to use an iconic reference to an "opiate of the masses" for a muscle relaxant. They had to know of the Brave New World connection no? How could they not?

396 Scion9  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:36:47pm

re: #367 Sharmuta

If you cut the top 2% of wealthiest members from the rolls of both parties, and adjust for their numbers, the Republican party is the one comprised of the poor.

The Democrat 'middle class' is largely upper middle class, country club types. Anyone who has been to college should be plainly aware of this without any statistics. Young people aren't liberals. College kids are. College kids aren't brainwashed by their professors into being liberals either (at least not entirely). The campuses are full of Trustafarians whose parents are Dems.

There is no Conservative voice on campus, because unless they got a scolarship, worked their ass off doing double time with a job and school, or are one of the relatively rare offspring of upper middle class republicans that paid their way, Conservatives don't go to college because they can't afford it.

Of course all of these rich kids sit around decrying how Republicans are keeping the poor down.

397 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:37:16pm

Newsweek is at it again. Check this story out:

Newsweek’s Palin Pot Shot

Bastards.

398 FrogMarch  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:37:38pm

re: #362 Walter L. Newton

You're voting for Obama, aren't you? ;-)

McCain can be frustrating. I agree. We can criticize him, and we do. - notice the left never criticize or find fault with their cult leader.
/changing subject because I'm getting tired.

399 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:39:30pm

re: #394 Intrepid

... I think it's important to encourage the "troops" to not give up, to keep fighting! To get out there and volunteer at their local RNC locations, to man/woman the phone banks, to give financially if they can. Every little bit helps!

And on that I agree. I can't give much money, but I do my fair share around town here. And I will probably be at a polling place as a special judge, keeping an eye out for moonbat tricks.

At least we can both agree he's got to come out strong, and nothing less in these last 3 1/2 weeks.

400 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:40:52pm

re: #399 Walter L. Newton

And on that I agree. I can't give much money, but I do my fair share around town here. And I will probably be at a polling place as a special judge, keeping an eye out for moonbat tricks.

At least we can both agree he's got to come out strong, and nothing less in these last 3 1/2 weeks.

How's it looking in CO?

401 luckygirl  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:41:38pm

re: #192 calcajun

That was hysterical! Thank you!
Sigh... gonna have to give Howard back a small bit of my lost affection towards him.

402 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:41:39pm

re: #398 FrogMarch

You're voting for Obama, aren't you? ;-)

Er, no. McCain. That was a funny, right?

403 poopeedoo  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:42:00pm

re: #62 planes86

anyone else get the feeling McCain WANTS to lose?


Nyet.

404 Quintus_Arius  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:42:04pm

"Never, never, give up" -- Jim Valvano

405 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:43:43pm

re: #395 Syrah

{boggle} I had no idea.

I wonder what possessed someone to use an iconic reference to an "opiate of the masses" for a muscle relaxant. They had to know of the Brave New World connection no? How could they not?

My wife takes it. She shouldn't but she does. Generic is carisoprodol, IIRC.

406 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:44:13pm

re: #400 Intrepid

How's it looking in CO?

He's been running a dead tie (as of the weekend). I haven't seen the local polls today, since the debate. I had some programming work come in and I have been researching some stuff for Kaiser. Part of what I do for a living is piece meal programming for a few clients.

I'll check around my links, let you know on some thread.

407 jwb7605  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:44:20pm

re: #387 willowone

[Link: blogs.suntimes.com...]

Obama's campaign has been endorsed by ACORN's political action committee and their sister corporation received nearly $1 million from Obama's campaign which they originally misrepresented on their FEC report

I read through some of the comments, and got to a link to a site named We Will Not Be Silenced. It's the Democrat-against-Acorn version of PUMA.
Some video previews on the same site indicate the people are not too happy.
Apparently, there are Democrats who want to win by being traditional Democrats.

408 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:44:32pm

re: #405 OldLineTexan

Oh, and I had to go get the book out when I first saw the name. I could not believe it.

409 Jimmah  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:46:15pm

After watching the last debate, with attacks and counter attacks virtually identical to those of the first debate, I don't see it as likely that either Obama or McCain are capable of anything new that will change the way people are already planning to vote.

410 willowone  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:46:50pm

re: #407 jwb7605[Link: www.hillaryclintonforum.net...]

i agree i've run across them in my searches this is one that i really smiled at

411 Archimedes  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:46:56pm

re: #397 Dark_Falcon

Newsweek is at it again. Check this story out:

Newsweek’s Palin Pot Shot

Bastards.

I'd call the title racist, seriously. It says:
"She's One Of The Folks (and that's the problem)"

That's in the gutter low.

Worthless left wing press. News Week, you are part of THE ENEMY.

412 willowone  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:48:04pm

re: #407 jwb7605 and yes Hillarys delegates and constituents were treated horribly, I was really shocked at the new left and their shameful tactics on fellow dems , and now US

413 pingjockey  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:49:06pm

nite folks!

414 jwb7605  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:50:33pm

re: #410 willowone

[Link: www.hillaryclintonforum.net...]

i agree i've run across them in my searches this is one that i really smiled at

Maybe there is hope.
I don't know about you, but I think Hillary would have been much harder to beat -- maybe impossible. Palin wouldn't have had near the effect, for obvious reasons.

415 willowone  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:52:43pm

re: #414 jwb7605
i hate to say this, but i wouldn't be near as fretful at Hillary win as "the Ones" his followers give me the willies.
and i do believe Hillary still loves america.

416 luckygirl  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:53:18pm

re: #332 Scion9

Beautifully put. Perchance are you a Randian?

417 willowone  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:53:41pm

Saying that may the best man and woman win GOO McCain and Palin@!

418 willowone  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:55:50pm

moving upstream

419 Boogberg  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:57:25pm

re: #340 JAK

Not PC of course, but the original (Art 1. Sec. 4) says the times, places, and manner of holding elections for Senators and Representatives shall be prescribed by the legislature thereof. Doesn't seem to rule out a qualification test to me!

Well it appears the "legislatures thereof" have in fact ruled out a qualification test. Rightly so, I believe. In this day and age it just seems a little creepy.

Hell, I don't know the answer to "What is the last line of the Declaration of Independence?" But I bet I could find the answer inside of 2 minutes (as most any sixth-grader with a computer and internet could).

420 jwb7605  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:57:53pm

re: #415 willowone

i hate to say this, but i wouldn't be near as fretful at Hillary win as "the Ones" his followers give me the willies.
and i do believe Hillary still loves america.

The Republicans (I am registered unaffiliated) could have nominated certain candidates (who, except for Ron Paul, will remain unnamed) that would have caused me to vote for Hillary.

She's crooked, but she's reliable.
Obama looks like he's crooked and unstable.

421 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:04:07pm

re: #415 willowone

i hate to say this, but i wouldn't be near as fretful at Hillary win as "the Ones" his followers give me the willies.
and i do believe Hillary still loves america.

I'd have been much more relieved to have Hillary as the Dem candidate than Obama, that's for sure. At least we'd have a known entity.

422 Price_of_Peace  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:07:42pm

re: #242 kansas

I testify as an expert witness sometimes, so next time I'm in court I space off my replies, and then the next day at the bar with my buddies I'll be spot on. See how that works.

Alcohol has that affect on most of us. lol

423 Syrah  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:11:09pm

re: #44 Killgore Trout

I've come down with an intense case of apathy.

You have been on a long trip to the other side of the planet. It used to be that such trips took long enough that you would not suffer from the ill affects of being out of sync with the rising and the setting of the sun. Our circadian rhythm does not like to be abused.

In the thousand year perspective, our troubles of today can look small and insignificant, but in truth, the results of the small things that we do or do not do today will have an effect that can be felt a thousand years from now.

Take a quite moment to clear your head.

It may take a day or two or even seven to get back in sync with the rising and the setting of the sun.

We will be here.

Your shield and sword will be ready for you to take them up and join us in the battle.

This election may well be our battle of Thermopylae. It would kind of suck to have sat it out on the sidelines, would it not?


ps. Welcome back to the States.

424 Hegemon  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:22:53pm

re: #421 Intrepid

Regarding comments about Hillary: I fear this current crop of democrats will make us long for the Clintons.

Do you remember Tom Dashcle and Dick Gephardt? Nancy, Harry, The Messiah and his Bitter Half make those guys look reasonable.

425 Wishing  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:26:05pm

re: #407 jwb7605

I read through some of the comments, and got to a link to a site named We Will Not Be Silenced. It's the Democrat-against-Acorn version of PUMA.
Some video previews on the same site indicate the people are not too happy.
Apparently, there are Democrats who want to win by being traditional Democrats.

Man o man, no wonder hillary wont throw support behind this thief! Thank you for these links!

426 Promethea  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:44:33pm

re: #420 jwb7605

The Republicans (I am registered unaffiliated) could have nominated certain candidates (who, except for Ron Paul, will remain unnamed) that would have caused me to vote for Hillary.

She's crooked, but she's reliable.
Obama looks like he's crooked and unstable.

I believe that Obama is unstable. He is not for anything except HIMSELF. I believe that this is called a "sociopath."

427 FamHistoryGuy  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:49:26pm

re: #299 LoFlyer

Enory, where a gg-grandfather graduated from a pre-cursor medical school in 1856.

428 SagamoreGal  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:50:43pm

Why hasn't the McCain campaign lobbied in the press every day for Obama to release his medical records? Why aren't they screaming this to the rooftops?

His mother died of cancer in her 40's. He admits he was a lifelong smoker until recently (and admitted just recently to sneaking smokes on the campagin trail). McCain's mother is 93 (or so) and still going strong! McCain could easily live to see Sarah Palin finish out her 2nd term in the White House. Obama's chances of living into his 70's or 80's are lowered by his genetic "minuses".

429 Promethea  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:57:15pm

re: #423 Syrah

You have been on a long trip to the other side of the planet. It used to be that such trips took long enough that you would not suffer from the ill affects of being out of sync with the rising and the setting of the sun. Our circadian rhythm does not like to be abused.

In the thousand year perspective, our troubles of today can look small and insignificant, but in truth, the results of the small things that we do or do not do today will have an effect that can be felt a thousand years from now.

Take a quite moment to clear your head.

Let's all work hard to prevent that horrible future.

It may take a day or two or even seven to get back in sync with the rising and the setting of the sun.

We will be here.

Your shield and sword will be ready for you to take them up and join us in the battle.

This election may well be our battle of Thermopylae. It would kind of suck to have sat it out on the sidelines, would it not?


ps. Welcome back to the States.

Great post!

We live in "interesting times" because news and our bodies can get around the Earth quickly. It's easy to get jaded and to get tired of all the stupid hoohah.

However, this election will probably be a significant one--for the future of all humanity. If the U.S. becomes a socialist hellhole--like Russia, China, Venezuela, Zimbabwe--what will the world look like in the Year 3000? Maybe it will be under the thumb of a Chavez-type nutcase or of Islam.

Let's all work hard to prevent that horrible future.

430 Promethea  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:11:49pm

re #429 . . . me, Promethea . . .

Well, I messed up the quote marks on that post, but my point is simple: Avoid Apathy. This election is important, and we need to keep focused on the Big Prize--a decent future.

431 jcw46  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:07:20pm

re: #341 dak

Roll rate is a performance indicator. It is a quantifiable. Ergo you don't need to fly one - you get a test pilot to produce the tables.

(Actually, you get a flight test engineer to tell the pilots what to do - a stick monkey)!

So unless somebody has personally flown any and all aircraft, he cannot comment on known performance?

see, this is what's bothering me about your first statement of opinion; it was a non sequitur. what was the point?
this part of a comment by jwb7605 was the start:
"..... We can launch him, refuel him, and recover him.
He's flying the single-seater A-4, and Palin has assumed fighter cover"

(McCain did fly A-4s in Viet Nam on strike missions)

You respond with this at 293
"ya, the problem is that the A4 was a pathetic little scooter. It could roll like a SOB, but that's about all. No offence to any Navy or Marine that flew it or maintained it."

sounds like a negative comment about::? McCain? The A4? What was the point? This lead me to think wonder who were you to pass that judgment about the A4 (or him for that manner)?
So I asked: Have YOU ever flown one?

Now when I asked merely whether YOU had flown one you get all defensive. I never said you cannot comment on known (in your opinion)performance. I asked what your experience was. "have you flown one?" that's all. what I get back is snarky defensiveness that:
1. never answers my question directly
2. questions my right to my question

I wish I had the room to insert some points that anyone can find about
The A-4 Skyhawk here. If you read some of this, as I have, you'll realize why DAK's comment stirred me up a bit. Aviators are a group of people who combine some physical and mental talents that are very rare. Particularly so are Carrier pilots. Possibly the most dangerous job in the world is a night landing on an Aircraft Carrier. Anyone who has qualified for night landings is very special indeed (john Mccain for one) and their opinion, particularly about aircraft, should be given serious consideration.
At the Wiki site you will read that the A-4 was a little better than what DAK's off-hand comment might lead you to believe. Here's one quote: "Skyhawks were well loved by their crews for being tough and agile". (Navy crew is not shy about expressing contempt for inadequate equipment. At sea, what does not work properly can/will get you killed.)
Here is another link where aviators/aviation techs express their
opinion about the A-4

There just seemed to be an undercurrent of disrespect and offhand disregard of facts in Dak's comment.

432 logboy  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:18:39pm

Man Shot 3 Times Claims He Was Gunned Down Over Pro-Obama Shirt

"Fortunately" it was in London and not here. Can you imagine the stink Osama would be making if it happened here?

433 elephantman  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:03:18pm

For the vast group of voters, perception is reality, they tune out a good percentage of the dialog, and can't decipher the rest. And in politics, perception is reality.

Watching the debate the impression is that McCain is uncertain, and the weaker of the two.

He has some great qualities, but public speaking isn't one of them. He's tone deaf to audience reaction, so unable to build on the moments when they actually get the point and are ready to rally. McCain shuts them out and focuses on getting out his message, in his typical cadence, the only one he seems to know. Start low and slow, ramp up a tiny bit, them end slow and low. A terrible style that doesn't grab the audience. Way to tightly wrapped.

Unfortunately he's pitted against an opponent who makes up for his lack of substance by spouting meaningless, but eloquent and exciting, b.s.

While his adversary is packing a Damascus steel 10 inch chef's blade, McCain is dragging a plastic picnic spork into The Iron Chef kitchen.

And I'm not confident the judges can see beyond the flashy knife work and discern the difference between a solid meal and moldy, poisonous, government cheese.

434 ashan  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 2:52:12am

In order for McCain to completely decimate BHO and his support lifeline, he needs to keep BHO on the defensive - constantly, and put him off his guard. Grill him. He needs to make BHO dissolve into a stumbling muddle of "uhs". Make him panic.

First of all, he shouldn't be afraid to tell the truth. Call him a socialist radical with a racist, anti-America agenda.

Then he needs to continually hound him on:
1. his records: legitimate birth certificate, Columbia and Harvard transcripts, medical reports, bar exam (no one has picked up on this yet)
2. his passport: We know he has/had an Indonesian passport, which is how he got into Islamist Pakistan in 1981 with his Pakistani roommate. He would never have gotten in with an American passport.
3. his associations in connection with Ayers and anti-American/anti-Israel terror supporters: Edward Said (thankfully dead), Rashid Khalili, Khalid al Mansour (and the Saudi connection), Ali Abunimah
4. his radical left and Black Liberation associations, NOI (Farrakhan)
5. his illegal campaign contributions, ad nauseam
6. his interference in international politics: his meddling in the Kenyan political machinations of his cousin, terror thug, Raila Odinga, his treasonous meddling in Iraqi discussions of troop withdrawls till he's president
7. point to his socialist "community organizer" activities, associations with Rezko/Auchi, ACORN, Chicago political machine, fraud, corruption, ad nauseam

McCain must keep in mind that time is running out to save America from this hideously evil man who will remove the flag from the White House and invite the worst subversives to trash the building, the Constitution and our rights and our precious, fought-for heritage. McCain fought and suffered so bravely for our country. Now, this American hero must fight bravely to save the country from impending disaster.

435 Ron Shaw  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 5:32:25am

It is uncanny how often Dennis Miller's political observations and comments are spot on. He is very astute politically and seems to cut through to the core of the issue consistently.

436 marsl  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 5:38:11am

re: #434 ashan

In order for McCain to completely decimate BHO and his support lifeline, he needs to keep BHO on the defensive - constantly, and put him off his guard. Grill him. He needs to make BHO dissolve into a stumbling muddle of "uhs". Make him panic.

First of all, he shouldn't be afraid to tell the truth. Call him a socialist radical with a racist, anti-America agenda.

Then he needs to continually hound him on:
1. his records: legitimate birth certificate, Columbia and Harvard transcripts, medical reports, bar exam (no one has picked up on this yet)
2. his passport: We know he has/had an Indonesian passport, which is how he got into Islamist Pakistan in 1981 with his Pakistani roommate. He would never have gotten in with an American passport.
3. his associations in connection with Ayers and anti-American/anti-Israel terror supporters: Edward Said (thankfully dead), Rashid Khalili, Khalid al Mansour (and the Saudi connection), Ali Abunimah
4. his radical left and Black Liberation associations, NOI (Farrakhan)
5. his illegal campaign contributions, ad nauseam
6. his interference in international politics: his meddling in the Kenyan political machinations of his cousin, terror thug, Raila Odinga, his treasonous meddling in Iraqi discussions of troop withdrawls till he's president
7. point to his socialist "community organizer" activities, associations with Rezko/Auchi, ACORN, Chicago political machine, fraud, corruption, ad nauseam

McCain must keep in mind that time is running out to save America from this hideously evil man who will remove the flag from the White House and invite the worst subversives to trash the building, the Constitution and our rights and our precious, fought-for heritage. McCain fought and suffered so bravely for our country. Now, this American hero must fight bravely to save the country from impending disaster.

There you go. Absolutely right. Now hope that McCain reads this website... and starts to do what it need to do. There is still time to win.

437 IngisKahn  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 5:51:49am

re: #29 Intrepid

Sarah to "drop the puck" at Rangers-Flyers' game on Saturday in Philly.

Go Hockey Moms!

Woot! I'll be there. I'll try to take some pics.


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