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One Thousand Sundays

Politics | Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 7:48:38 pm PDT

From Dr. James Cone to Barack Obama; the story of “Black Liberation Theology.”

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1 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:50:05pm

But- I'm supposed to believe that 0bama just didn't know what was going on in his church...... for twenty years......

2 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:50:29pm

Its not liberating and its not theology.

3 laZardo  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:50:44pm

"That's not the Dr. James Cone you know..."

4 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:52:02pm

re: #2 Mich-again

Its not liberating and its not theology.

It's a crock of communist shit.

5 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:52:25pm

oldasdirt, are you here?

6 nightintheruts  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:54:30pm

I would be hard-pressed to consider that any type of "theology".

It's real racism and hatred with God thrown in it to make it non-taxable.

It's offensive and inaccurate in every way.

7 unclassifiable  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:54:30pm

Everything in this video was taken out of context and is racists.

/

8 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:54:45pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

But- I'm supposed to believe that 0bama just didn't know what was going on in his church...... for twenty years......

Shar- How long did you spend in Sunrise Beach?

9 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:55:26pm

Jeremiah Wright only ever preached to glorify himself. Jesus won't even know who he is when he shows up at the Pearly gates.

10 arethusa  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:55:42pm

Gateway pundit had this to say on Obama knowing/not knowing. Or "no"-ing.

11 ggt  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:56:18pm

lovely

I prefer to be judged on the content of my character.

12 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:56:19pm

re: #9 Mich-again

Jeremiah Wright only ever preached to glorify himself. Jesus won't even know who he is when he shows up at the Pearly gates.

I'd hope he'd kinda go the other direction.

/If you know what I mean.

13 Cartman  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:56:26pm

The Unholy Trinity

Ayers * Obama * Wright

14 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:57:27pm

re: #3 laZardo

"That's not the Dr. James Cone you know..."

Obama using a Sith mind trick? So what does that make Wright and Cole? Where do they fit in the Sith hierarchy? Darth Disloyalus and and Darth Loudmouthus perhaps?

15 laZardo  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:57:43pm

re: #6 nightintheruts

RACSIT! ! !111111

/

16 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:57:48pm

Archives prove Obama was a New Party member

The New Party was a radical left organization, established in 1992, to amalgamate far left groups and push the United States into socialism by forcing the Democratic Party to the left. It was an attempt to regroup the forces on the left in a new strategy to take power, burrowing from within. The party only lasted until 1998, when its strategy of "fusion" failed to withstand a Supreme Court ruling. But dissolving the party didn't stop the membership, including Barack Obama, from continuing to move the Democrats leftward with spectacular success.

. . .

J. Brown of Politically Drunk on Power has dug up multiple documentary sources (with hyperlinks) proving that Barack Obama was a member of the New Party, despite alleged attempts to cover up his tracks by scrubbing evidence. He or she deserves tremendous praise for doing this detective work.

/it's official, Lord Ocama is a card carrying socialist

17 tripletdad  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:58:33pm

Mr. Cone, there's a bus leaving in 10 minutes - be under it.
/BHO

18 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:59:24pm

Of course he knew the flavor of preaching in that church. But it didn't matter. I think what is most upsetting is the fact that he was simply a member of this church because it gave him points with other leftist Christians, blacks (is that racist, yea, I suspect it is, tough titty) and those whites who see mainstream Christianity as the baine of the world.

He used this church just like he has used everthing in his life, as a means to an end.

19 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 7:59:53pm

re: #12 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I hope Jeremiah someday realizes that spreading hatred and casting stones is wrong and he converts to Christianity.

From the first time I listened to him spew, I pegged him as being an adherent to the Nation of Islam. He just hides behind a cross.

20 laZardo  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:00:38pm

Brb, late breakfast.

21 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:00:44pm

re: #19 Mich-again

I hope Jeremiah someday realizes that spreading hatred and casting stones is wrong and he converts to Christianity.

From the first time I listened to him spew, I pegged him as being an adherent to the Nation of Islam. He just hides behind a cross.

Agreed. Mich-again.

22 nightintheruts  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:01:12pm

re: #15 laZardo

RACSIT! ! !111111

/

well hey! I've been watching the 0bamayouth video and trying the get the goosestep march dance/walk routine down.

I just get confused on the "YES WE CAN" (swing arms around) part.

I'm trying to be a good comrade!

/

23 Palandine  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:01:40pm

Someone tell me how the One can be winning:

1. Most liberal record in the Senate
2. Was only IN the Senate for a whopping 142 days before deciding to run for President
3. Spent 20 years in a racist church
4. Is friends with an unrepentant terrorist and a scumbag like Rezko
5. Admits he was mentored by a Communist'
6. Is a huge gun-grabber
7. Never saw a problem he couldn't solve through redistribution of wealth
8. In up to his eyeballs in the subprime mess
9. Not just pro-choice, but voted to not provide medical care to babies who survived an abortion

And the list goes on. Voters aren't really going to elect this guy, are they?

24 Ripley45  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:02:14pm

glad OJ got his absentee ballot in...several times. the acorn doesn't fall far from the tree.

25 faraway  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:02:32pm

All known associates of Obama are not available for interview:

Pastor, J. Wright
Former Boss, W Ayers
Former Roommates, Pakistani guys


Not one single former associate can be interviewed.

This is very creepy.

26 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:03:01pm

re: #18 Walter L. Newton

He used this church just like he has used everthing in his life, as a means to an end.

You nailed it there. And that explains why he dumped TUCC when it became a liability.

Has a Presidential candidate ever shitcanned his church during a campaign just to score political points?

27 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:03:04pm
Associate yourself with people of good quality, for it is better to be alone than in bad company.
--Booker T. Washington
28 greensbuickfarm  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:04:14pm

Saw this on the Reuters site in the comments section (on the article about 'The One' cufflinks).

2:12 am GMT

Imagine if his name were Barry O’Brien. When you look at his record you discover that he spent 20 years in a white supremacist church and was attracted to neo-Nazi authors and methods. Along the way, he started his political career in the home of an unrepentant abortion clinic bomber and even sat with this terrorist on the board of a right-wing foundation that wasted millions of tax-payer dollars in the promotion of Nazi ideas. Would we even be having a conversation about his qualifications to be President of the United States?
Now, for Barack Obama, simply insert the words “black supremacist,” “Marxist,” “the US Capitol building and American military targets,” and “left-wing” in the above narrative. He is simply too inexperienced, too unaccomplished and too dangerous to take the risk. Please, wake up America, or you will pay dearly for your thirst for “change.”
- Posted by Middle Man

So, just take everything that was said by Cone and Wright and Obama about BLT and change 'black' to 'white'. Doesn't sound so good, does it?

What is most telling, though, is that many of us accused of being racist are just as offended, if not more so, when we here 'white supremecist' crap being spewed by people of our own color.

29 spidly  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:04:28pm

Had a bit of a freak out when my inbox had several pleas from McCain to "help us win" My email response:

That debate was embarrassing.

"fight with me, fight with me"

I'm done fighting FOR you.
If you want more help, you want me to continue to rally friends and recruit co-workers, send more money? Then YOU have to fight.

YOU have to fight the architects of the sub prime disaster and take it to Obama, and quit blaming the market for this. it is not hard to explain to the American people.
Activist intimidation, litigation, and legislation forced banks to make bad loans...Fannie and Freddie with the backing of the government facilitated converting these into securities and spread them around the market,,,,,these GSE were exempt from oversight, protected by dems and they all got rich until it blew up in our faces.
Is that hard to say?

get out and fight, G_d damn it.

tax breaks for 95% of the people? beat him over the head with this BS.
clean coal and nukes? call him a liar and ram it down his throat. He lies frequently and blatantly and you ignore it.

Ayers, Rezko, Rashidi, Wright, Acorn, etc etc etc...
Obama has loaded a gun for you and presented the back of his skull, but you refuse to pull the trigger. I guess you left your balls somewhere. Step aside and let Sarah have the top of the ticket if you are not going to man up, 'cause she will.

I know you thought the MSM and the dems were your buddies because they heaped praise "The Maverick" as you boned the GOP over and over....but it should be clear to you by now that they are not your friends.
So knock off the history of bipartisanship and reaching across the aisle schtick. It ain't working.

The only reason you should be reaching across the aisle right now is to club those corrupt little marxists, and to drag them into ethics hearings.

I'm pretty sure we're facing a nuclear Iran, a reversal of fortunes in Iraq, a resurgence of al qaeda, catastrophe in Israel, Russia on the rise unchecked, and a whole mess of nasty results if Obama wins. Not to mention the depression the Dems will drag us into and a further shredding of the Constitution (well, you kind of like doing that too).

Step down and let Hillary have your spot even. She'll take the fight to Obama. We'll still get our depression , but I don't think she's intent on baring our throats to our enemies.

Now get out there and act like our lives depend on winning this and don't get back to me until you do.

humph

30 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:05:02pm

re: #27 Dar ul Harb

Fine words, but beyond Obama's ability to comprehend, as is Booker T. Washington's philosophy of self-reliance.

31 Scion9  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:05:26pm

re: #2 Mich-again

Its not liberating and its not theology.

To a Communist, slavery is freedom, and the State is God.

32 stevieray  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:06:04pm

In Black Liberation Theology, Marx is god, and G_d is just a beard.

The Sick Half of a Church

33 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:06:15pm

I am sick of that man and his crooked, racist and crazy friends.

I CAN HARDLY WAIT UNTIL HE LOSES.

34 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:07:22pm

re: #23 Palandine

Someone tell me how the One can be winning: And the list goes on. Voters aren't really going to elect this guy, are they?

I believe he is the results of many years of planning and grooming by people with connections, money and a mission. This kind of rise to national promenance doesn't happen like this, not in a normal world.

Hell, it even takes someone 16 weeks or so to become a nationwide known talent on American Idol.

Is it a plot? Not in the Charles Ludlam sense of storytelling. But eh didn't get where he is because of anything he has done on his own, except to clean up nicely, dress well and read a teleprompter coherently.

The suit isn't empty. It's full of shit.

35 nyc redneck  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:08:01pm

obama is a liar or the worst judge of character in the world.
either way, the grifter is not fit to lead.

36 spidly  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:08:09pm

dunno if there's really anything here but....
Web Archives Confirm Barack Obama Was Member Of Socialist 'New Party' In 1996 there's that

37 twincitiesgirl  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:08:14pm

Dr Cone is whacked and his voice reminds me of Flip Wilson as Geraldine.

38 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:08:31pm

re: #30 Dark_Falcon

Fine words, but beyond Obama's ability to comprehend, as is Booker T. Washington's philosophy of self-reliance.

It's certainly a long way from there to "Because of Obama, I will be..."

39 bryantms  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:08:43pm

How someone with this many ties to corruption and controversy has risen to fame in his few short years in Congress is beyond me.

40 jaunte  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:08:47pm

re: #34 Walter L. Newton

If that's what Soros calls his puppeteering hand, yes.

41 bcgirl  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:09:56pm

i think that Dr. King would be rolling in his grave with disgust at obama, as you metion being judged on the content of character, as MLK dreamed of a time when his 4 little children would be judged by the content of their character not the color of their skin, but now obama is DEMANDING that everyone vote for him based soley on the color of his skin because he knows his "character leaves A LOT to be desired,

em>re: #11 ggt

lovely

I prefer to be judged on the content of my character.

42 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:10:43pm

James Cone...wow...you are one racist whiny chaparro.

43 lobo91  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:11:10pm

re: #39 bryantms

How someone with this many ties to corruption and controversy has risen to fame in his few short years in Congress is beyond me.

It's only because of those ties that it's happened.

Shows just how far the tentacles of the Chicago machine really extend into American politics.

44 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:11:15pm

re: #5 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

oldasdirt, are you here?

I am now,,,and haveing my ass kicked by this video.

45 LEGION  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:11:54pm

So on Rush it was revealed that John Corsi- of the Swiftboat book fame- kicked out of Kenya- has proof that Obama supported big time the guy in his father's clan who ran for President (and lost) who signed a memorandum of agreement with the muslims to bring sharia law to Kenya. BO is a Osama Obama indeed!

46 Palandine  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:12:21pm

re: #34 Walter L. Newton

I believe he is the results of many years of planning and grooming by people with connections, money and a mission. This kind of rise to national promenance doesn't happen like this, not in a normal world.

The suit isn't empty. It's full of shit.

It certainly started when someone put him on the DNCC stage in 2004.

He's handsome, and he gives a great speech when he's inclined to. I'm just astounded people don't see through him.

"All lies and jest/Still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest."

47 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:12:31pm

re: #34 Walter L. Newton

[Link: pentdego.com...]

48 nyc redneck  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:12:32pm

cone and wright are evil old grifters too.
think of the money and power they have gotten from their perverse twist on christianity.
they are preying on their own hapless flock of believers.
they have turned hate into a commodity.

49 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:12:33pm

re: #40 jaunte

If that's what Soros calls his puppeteering hand, yes.

And the reason I don't use the word conspirisy is because it not. People like Soros are very up front about what they believe and what thier goal in life is.

For these really far left progressives, there isn't any sub-rosa plotting in some smokey bar. It's the everyday way they think, act and respond.

50 willowone  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:13:16pm

re: #33 MandyManners

re: #45 LEGION

Mandy as you've studied 'The One' longer than i, would you look at this youtube and let me know if it is an accurate description or over the top.

51 Van Helsing  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:13:21pm

re: #31 Scion9

To a Communist, slavery is freedom, and the State is God.

I worked for a man that had defected from Czechoslovakia in the late 70s. Old enough that he had seen the tanks roll into Prague. He personally despised communism with every fiber of his being. He told me though that there were many people that not only accepted it but embraced it, because they were told over and over and over that the State was the only thing that would help them. They couldn't take care of themselves without the State and the State couldn't take care of them without their support (doing what the State told them was necessary). Kind of like an abusive personal relationship - what would you do without me/I can't live without you...

52 LEGION  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:13:21pm

re: #41 bcgirl

Ahhh Dr. King- a registered REPUBLICAN in fact. Something the jackass dems ignore.

53 Metal Man  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:13:37pm
A man's character always takes its hue, more or less, from the form and color of things about him.


Frederick Douglass

54 shibumi  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:14:19pm

This sort of hatred disguised as "religion" should bother everyone, regardless of their color, or the color of the people preaching it.

55 stevieray  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:14:48pm

re: #45 LEGION

Easy with that... Corsi is a hit-or-miss kind of guy. Wait for hard evidence before spreading this, please. If this turns out to be bunk, it will undermine all of the real Obama dirt.

56 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:14:57pm

re: #38 Dar ul Harb

It's certainly a long way from there to "Because of Obama, I will be..."

Yes, it is. Far better had they said and meant "Obama's example has inspired me to become...". Alas, no. Statism rules the day for Obama and his supporters. [sob]

57 latitude51  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:15:22pm

Wow my eyes. I read that as saying "Black levitation theology". I need to go Google that.

58 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:15:24pm

Obama won't be able to control his nutjob supporters if he wins the election. They won't be content just because he won. They will go off the deep end and expect the world at their doorstep the very next morning. The monster isn't going to dance with him. And there are too many of them to just throw under the bus. He is like an engineer of a runaway train.

59 willowone  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:15:25pm

re: #54 shibumi
it seems it would hurt and damage the people they are purported to want to help. fear , hate, sadness. not very helpful or comforting to those that need it.

60 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:16:08pm

The Agitator
Barack Obama's unlikely political education.
Ryan Lizza, The New Republic Published: Monday, March 19, 2007

...from half-way through the article:

On this particular Sunday, the sea of black worshippers is dotted with a few white folks up in the balcony, clutching copies of The Audacity of Hope they've brought for Obama's book-signing later. Obama, sitting in the third row with his wife and two daughters, Malia and Natasha, stands, claps, prays, and sways along with the rest of the congregation. During the sermon, he watches the preacher carefully and writes notes. When asked by Wright to say a few words, Obama grabs the microphone and stands. "I love you all," he says. "It's good to be back home." The 150-person choir breaks into a chorus of "Barack, Hallelujah! Barack, Hallelujah!"

He knew.

I'll put it in the spinoffs.

61 willowone  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:16:13pm

i call this type of religion soul killers.

62 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:16:30pm

Obama is either a liar or an idiot.

....And I don't think he's an idiot.

63 spidly  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:16:39pm

re: #34 Walter L. Newton

I believe he is the results of many years of planning and grooming by people with connections, money and a mission. This kind of rise to national promenance doesn't happen like this, not in a normal world.

Hell, it even takes someone 16 weeks or so to become a nationwide known talent on American Idol.

Is it a plot? Not in the Charles Ludlam sense of storytelling. But eh didn't get where he is because of anything he has done on his own, except to clean up nicely, dress well and read a teleprompter coherently.

The suit isn't empty. It's full of shit.

your getting that manchurian candidate feeling

64 shibumi  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:16:54pm

re: #51 Van Helsing

I worked for a man that had defected from Czechoslovakia in the late 70s. Old enough that he had seen the tanks roll into Prague. He personally despised communism with every fiber of his being. He told me though that there were many people that not only accepted it but embraced it, because they were told over and over and over that the State was the only thing that would help them. They couldn't take care of themselves without the State and the State couldn't take care of them without their support (doing what the State told them was necessary). Kind of like an abusive personal relationship - what would you do without me/I can't live without you...

I read a book about Africa lately, and the author discussed how African dictators keep their populaces ignorant and dependent on the state- that's how they continue to stay in power. And, unfortunately, that's what's happened in Democrat controlled cities like Detroit.

65 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:17:09pm

ZerObama is a LIAR!
An evader of TRUTH.
A flim-flam man.
A con artist.
And I've been calling him a socialist/collectivist since he threw his ears into the ring.

/yes I said ears...........

NObama!

66 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:17:23pm

To those who said I was wrong about Ploome having CF Read what she said here earlier this evening

67 Palandine  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:17:26pm

By the way, if you're interested in gun rights, read this month's Field and Stream. They interview both candidates. McCain's in favor of closing the gun show loophole but other than that, he's solid. Obama admits he wants to reinstate the so-called assault weapons ban and make all handguns childproof, among other things. It's astonishing.

/I don't hae children. If I had a child-proof handgun, I would not be able to use it in time to defend myself.

68 Researcher...MO  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:18:05pm

re: #23 Palandine

I am attributing it to mental illness in some, I have no better explanation for it. For others it is simple lack of knowledge. We have a 20-something salesman who is voting O, and while at his location for a few minutes I asked him WHY. He said because of taxes! Then said he thought the hype about "Ron" Ayers was nothing because O was only 8! 10 minutes later I had his jaw on the floor...I am hoping it made him rethink. As to my other friend, there is no hope.

69 shibumi  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:18:28pm

re: #59 willowone

it seems it would hurt and damage the people they are purported to want to help. fear , hate, sadness. not very helpful or comforting to those that need it.

That's true- however, I don't think that so called "religious men" of this ilk want to help anyone- it's just their way of keeping the money in their coffers and increasing their personal power.

70 Suzette  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:19:25pm

re: #34 Walter L. Newton

Basically a Manchurian Candidate?
/I really do not want this man as our CiC.

71 E.T.  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:19:28pm

re: #23 Palandine

"Someone tell me how the One can be winning:"

> The angry black man
> The guilty white man
> political correctness gone wild
> partizan politics
> the far left corrupt media
..... the perfect storm

72 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:19:32pm

re: #8 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I've been there a number of times on vacation, but it's been a long time since I've been there.

73 willowone  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:19:37pm

re: #69 shibumi
profoundly sad the damage this causes.

74 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:19:55pm

So if an orginization was started,and called "White Liberation Theology.",or NAAWP,it would be considered racist?How has America come to this?

75 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:20:39pm

re: #72 Sharmuta

I've been there a number of times on vacation, but it's been a long time since I've been there.

Oh okay, I was just wondering if you were a "regular" visitor.

76 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:21:04pm

re: #64 shibumi

And, unfortunately, that's what's happened in Democrat controlled cities like Detroit.

Yep. Detroit is America's very first third world city. It has been under a complete Democratic stranglehold at all levels of Government for the last 30+ years. Coincidence? not.

77 Researcher...MO  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:21:21pm

re: #72 Sharmuta

You should visit sometime :)

78 Egfrow  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:21:31pm

Black Liberation Theology is just another Progandized orwelllian term for what came to be know as just Liberation Theology. It's a class struggle distortion of Christianity based on Marxist principles of Rich vs Poor. It was originally founded by a Brazilian priest named Leonardo Boff in the 1930's. Who had connections with Communists in Italy. The KGB had plan's to take over sects of and turn the Poor against the Rich to make overthrowing capitalism easier by creating a movement against the wealthy based on the distortion of Religious doctrine. He mostly supported the expansion of Communist Regimes throughout Latin America such as Fidel, Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua. The Nation of Islam and Radical Panther marxists have adopted this to fit into Black Racism against the Rich Whites. The agenda has spread from Chicaco all thoughout the Naiton. This is Obama's Church.

79 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:21:36pm

re: #60 Noam Sayin'

The Agitator
Barack Obama's unlikely political education.
Ryan Lizza, The New Republic Published: Monday, March 19, 2007

...from half-way through the article:


He knew.

I'll put it in the spinoffs.

"Barack, Hallelujah! Barack, Hallelujah!"

I'm spooked.

80 Van Helsing  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:21:41pm

re: #64 shibumi

And the sad/scary bit is that dependency starts at the earliest years of school. Let me see, who runs the schools in the US, think, think, think. Oh. Now I remember. The federal department of education (thanks J. Carter) and the NEA, teachers union.

Where do the kids get that idea that they shouldn't judge and ALL cultures are just as equal as others except some (the ones that succeed) only succeed because they are repressing someone? I wonder...

81 nyc redneck  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:22:01pm

re: #58 Mich-again

Obama won't be able to control his nutjob supporters if he wins the election. They won't be content just because he won. They will go off the deep end and expect the world at their doorstep the very next morning. The monster isn't going to dance with him. And there are too many of them to just throw under the bus. He is like an engineer of a runaway train.

they will quickly begin to turn on him. like vampires.
it will get ugly real fast.
they will all consider that he owes them,
that they "made" him.
and they will fight w/ each other. all expecting to be favored.
it's going to be a low rent free for all of ghouls.
that includes the grifter.

82 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:22:02pm

re: #77 Researcher...MO

I would love to.

83 pat  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:22:05pm

Realism plays no part.

84 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:22:11pm

Good googly moogly! I studied quite a good deal in order to become a christian missionary in Asia for 20 years, yet I never heard of this "Cone" fellow.

We were always too busy trying to find out what God actually said in his word to worry about what some racist hack had to offer.

One question I'd ask of this "Dr Cone": If it's GOSPEL, then it should be able to be preached throughout the world, right?

Then how would your Black Liberation Theology go over in Nepal? Or in Thailand? Or in Cambodia? Or in Japan? Or in Malaysia? Or in Indonesia...etc.

Or even in Romania, where I spent a couple of months back in '92 helping to build an orphanage for abandoned kids, who happened to be WHITE!

Racist. You foul, despicable racist. Jesus was not black, nor does He favor "black people".

He loves all people. Somehow, you have forgotten that, and I understand it, since you obviously have stopped reading your Bible.

/spit

85 Bobibutu  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:22:13pm

re: #23 Palandine

Someone tell me how the One can be winning:

1. Most liberal record in the Senate
2. Was only IN the Senate for a whopping 142 days before deciding to run for President
3. Spent 20 years in a racist church
4. Is friends with an unrepentant terrorist and a scumbag like Rezko
5. Admits he was mentored by a Communist'
6. Is a huge gun-grabber
7. Never saw a problem he couldn't solve through redistribution of wealth
8. In up to his eyeballs in the subprime mess
9. Not just pro-choice, but voted to not provide medical care to babies who survived an abortion

And the list goes on. Voters aren't really going to elect this guy, are they?

Well, we are sure going to find out soon enough. Someone once said about elections. "We get what we deserve".

I sure hope we do not deserve what an 0Bama Presidency would bring. And I don't know what that is specifically - just who he is, who is in line for cabinet positions, and what he has done so far are terrifying to me.

86 laZardo  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:22:46pm

re: #22 nightintheruts

If you put your mind to it, Obama will help you do ANYTHING!

/

87 Researcher...MO  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:23:40pm

re: #74 Oldasdirt

I remember some years ago reading an article about someone who wanted to register a phrase that included the word "white" as a trademark IIRC, it was denied, regardless of the fact that many, many phrases using "black" including a match to what he wanted, were all registered TMs.

88 Palandine  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:23:52pm

re: #68 Researcher...MO

My 77-year-old dad, a lifelong Republican, has PDS. However, I think I've got his mind right about that: "Dad, the Viet Cong couldn't kill McCain, a fiery accident aboard his ship couldn't kill him, cancer couldn't kill him, and his mother is 95 years old. He won't die before Palin has been Vice President and in the loop for a good long time."

He would never vote Obama. I do hope I convinced him to vote McCain.

89 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:23:57pm

re: #77 Researcher...MO

And I see from the previous thread you were from KC- I miss KC too.

90 Researcher...MO  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:24:51pm

re: #82 Sharmuta

Well, the weather is getting fall-like, and the trees are just starting to turn, so come on down! We'll show you the town :)

91 Scion9  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:24:58pm

re: #52 LEGION

Ahhh Dr. King- a registered REPUBLICAN in fact. Something the jackass dems ignore.

I've researched this, and haven't found anything to back it up. MLK Sr. was openly a Republican, but switched to Dem with RFK's rise (as a lot of the Old Right did). The only thing I've seen to promote MLK Jr, as a Republican is the testimony of his niece, who a staunch Conservative activist, so who can say if she is being fully truthful with her account of her Uncle.

MLK Jr, to the best of my knowledge was completely tight-lipped about his politics and didn't directly ever endorse anyone much less a political party.

92 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:25:18pm

Little james cone, up on the screen
Wond’rin’ who he might be
Along came obama and picked up an acorn
And took him down the road to trinity

93 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:25:30pm

re: #66 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

To those who said I was wrong about Ploome having CF Read what she said here earlier this evening

Oh for goodness' sakes! She clarified it afterwards! Ploomie does not have CF!

94 willowone  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:25:50pm

this is the first time I'm actually afraid of possible leaders.

95 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:25:58pm

re: #87 Researcher...MO

I remember some years ago reading an article about someone who wanted to register a phrase that included the word "white" as a trademark IIRC, it was denied, regardless of the fact that many, many phrases using "black" including a match to what he wanted, were all registered TMs.

Some city councilman, I think in Dallas, used the term "Black Hole", to describe where tax money was going, and was called a racist by a black member of the city council.

96 jwb7605  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:26:01pm

re: #55 stevieray

Easy with that... Corsi is a hit-or-miss kind of guy. Wait for hard evidence before spreading this, please. If this turns out to be bunk, it will undermine all of the real Obama dirt.

As a former SBVFT member, I agree with the sentiment about Corsi.
On the other hand, if Rush is spreading it, there's probably some fire with the smoke.
Rush is usually pretty careful.

97 Researcher...MO  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:26:02pm

re: #89 Sharmuta

Born and raised in KC, Plaza/Westport, before it became a "popular" area, Hubby's from Brookside.

98 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:26:02pm

re: #63 spidly

your getting that manchurian candidate feeling

No. I don't know if I'm saying this clearly, but it's simply the way the far left progressives think. It's a way of life, a way of looking at the world and a way of dealing with others.

I've mentioned before that I most of the woman I date are very progressive liberals. I've talked over and over with them about these kinds of issues. No, they don't care about Obama's church. No, they don't care if he knew Ayers or had dealing with him. No, they don't care that he has only a few years under his belt as a senator.

But they do care that he is NOT A REPUBLICAN. They do care that he is black, and they see his reunninf for president as something they owe black America. They do care that he wants to up taxes on the rich.

They know that he is a socialist. And they see nothing wrong with that.

On LGF, we scratch our heads over these things, which is a real waste of time. We have to accept that there are Americans that simply want socialism in this country. It's not a mystery, iot's not odd, and for the folks on the left, there's absolutly nothing wrong with it.

99 dwigg  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:26:06pm

I'm getting very paranoid. What the hell is going on with the DNC nomimee? Corsi's Kenya episode & BHOs' involvement with Odinga is chilling to say the least. A must see re; BHO & Odinga - [Link: www.stoptheaclu.com...]

100 Suzette  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:26:17pm

re: #66 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

To those who said I was wrong about Ploome having CF Read what she said here earlier this evening

She doesn't have it ..... she said so herself. Continue to read down that thread.
She simply didn't write correctly and please read the link she has in that post and it should clear up the thinking that she is sick.

101 Researcher...MO  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:27:22pm

re: #95 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I read about that! How stupid can you get?!?

/silly question

102 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:27:27pm

re: #90 Researcher...MO

I'd really love to, but I think it will have to wait until next year.

103 bcgirl  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:27:27pm

re: #85 Bobibutu

Well, we are sure going to find out soon enough. Someone once said about elections. "We get what we deserve".

I sure hope we do not deserve what an 0Bama Presidency would bring. And I don't know what that is specifically - just who he is, who is in line for cabinet positions, and what he has done so far are terrifying to me.


i am still stunned at how many people are brainwashed, the only good thing is my one friend who thought GWB was sending subliminal messages to brainwash us when he did tv speeches, has actually grown a brain, unwashed, and can see right thru the liarbama

104 LEGION  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:27:28pm

re: #55 stevieray

Easy with that... Corsi is a hit-or-miss kind of guy. Wait for hard evidence before spreading this, please. If this turns out to be bunk, it will undermine all of the real Obama dirt.

HUH? Watch #50- willowones youtube from the UK- backs everything up. Many many others also do. Corsi just escaped Kenya to England where he was illegally detained- he got much paper proof out- he was on Hannity on the radio today and will be on H&C on Monday. Corsi had direct hits with the truth on Commie Kerry that the MSM also hid about him! How Kerry got his purple hearts - (getting rice wounds in his ass after throwing grenades into a food mound- you can't get a PH by wounding yourself)- the fact that Kerry lied about being in Cambodia during Christmas by order of Nixon (Nixon wasn't President until January- and Kerry was at a party). On and on and on- chucking other peoples medals over the White House fence and not his own- STILL not releasing his service records. Come on- this is SO 2004. The thing is- there is SO much BO dirt- that if he isn't sunk by now- the hypnotized wackos who support him won't believe anything anyhow.

105 arethusa  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:27:31pm

So...I'm not good at math...bear with me. Obama was a member of Trinity for 20 years, hence could have attended 1000 Sunday services. Then he threw the good Reverend under the bus, and quit.

He spent 142 days serving in the Senate before he decided to run for President.

Huh. Makes me wonder where his priorities are.

106 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:27:48pm

re: #81 nyc redneck

they will quickly begin to turn on him. like vampires.
it will get ugly real fast.

I agree with that. When they find out everything isn't going to be FreEEEeeEe to them, they will revolt against him.

107 saberry0530  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:27:51pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

But- I'm supposed to believe that 0bama just didn't know what was going on in his church...... for twenty years......

To put it another way, that would be over 500 , (yes, five hundred) times that he attended church at 1 attendance every 2 weeks. I call BULLSHIT

108 Bogotana  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:27:52pm

Thanks for spreading the word, Charles. I've blogged about this too, with links to the underlying sources:


We've all seen the shocking clips of Reverend Wright screaming, "God damn America," "US of KKK," and declaring with seeming delight in his heart -- a mere 5 days after the 9/11 attacks -- that "America's chickens have come home to roost." While Obama unconvincingly attempted to dismiss Wright's rantings as mere out-of-context "snippets," the reality is that such sentiments are entirely consistent with the theology of Obama's church -- that is, black liberation theology.

As Reverend Wright has explained, black liberation theology is based on the teachings of Dr. James Cone. So who is Dr. Cone and what does he espouse? In his most influential work, Black Theology and Black Power, Dr. Cone explained black liberation theology as follows:

Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community.... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy.

[Link: neoconlatina.blogspot.com...]

109 Idle Drifter  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:27:52pm

I can't give back what I never had to begin with in the first place. I'm a son of a steel worker who as a loving father worked hard long hours and a son of mother who at times took part time jobs but was always there for her five children. What POWER do I have over other people that I should give up to a racist who would abuse that power? My free will, my being, my liberty that's all I have and you can pry it from my cold dead hands!


Where's the Tylenol?

110 nightintheruts  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:27:54pm

This is the one that gets me.

I don't see how Jewish or Christian people can vote for this...person.

111 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:27:58pm

re: #93 Intrepid

Oh for goodness' sakes! She clarified it afterwards! Ploomie does not have CF!

WELL I DIDN'T SEE THAT AND NO ONE SAID THAT! ALL YOU SAID WAS THAT I WAS WRONG. HOW THE HELL WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW? GEEZ...

112 shibumi  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:28:22pm

re: #80 Van Helsing

And the sad/scary bit is that dependency starts at the earliest years of school. Let me see, who runs the schools in the US, think, think, think. Oh. Now I remember. The federal department of education (thanks J. Carter) and the NEA, teachers union.

Where do the kids get that idea that they shouldn't judge and ALL cultures are just as equal as others except some (the ones that succeed) only succeed because they are repressing someone? I wonder...

Just another reason to either send you kid to a private school that's normal, or home school.

113 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:28:39pm

re: #66 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

To those who said I was wrong about Ploome having CF Read what she said here earlier this evening

Here is one of the comments where that was clarified.

She was quoting Dean Barnett in that post.
And didn't quite get the formatting right.

114 Syrah  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:29:40pm

re: #98 Walter L. Newton


They know that he is a socialist. And they see nothing wrong with that.

On LGF, we scratch our heads over these things, which is a real waste of time. We have to accept that there are Americans that simply want socialism in this country. It's not a mystery, iot's not odd, and for the folks on the left, there's absolutly nothing wrong with it.

This is an important truth.

115 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:29:44pm

re: #95 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Some city councilman, I think in Dallas, used the term "Black Hole", to describe where tax money was going, and was called a racist by a black member of the city council.

I remember that well,,like to have been ashit storm over that here.

116 saberry0530  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:30:11pm

Obama, meet mister clue bat. Mister clue bat, meet Mr. Obama.

117 Researcher...MO  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:30:27pm

re: #102 Sharmuta

We'll be here, God willing. I'm really serious about doing a meet next Spring, we have a great place with plenty of room, parking, and an awesome view. We had 35 people over for the Offshore Super Series races, so we're not afraid of hosting a gathering!

118 Outrider  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:30:28pm

Someone here said they were from Harrison Arkansas area?

119 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:30:32pm

Rev Wright calls down Gods curse on my country. 0bama sits his in his church 20 years.

Not voting for him.

This election is denting race relations something fierce by the way.

If 0 not elected, the chant will be "racisim".

If 0 elected, and is a disaster as a president, whites will blame blacks for voting him in.

There is a chance that 0 will be elected, and be a really good president...

120 mattm  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:30:34pm

re: #6 nightintheruts

I would be hard-pressed to consider that any type of "theology".

It's real racism and hatred with God thrown in it to make it non-taxable.

It's offensive and inaccurate in every way.

I had to ding that up.

121 shibumi  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:30:42pm

re: #88 Palandine

My 77-year-old dad, a lifelong Republican, has PDS. However, I think I've got his mind right about that: "Dad, the Viet Cong couldn't kill McCain, a fiery accident aboard his ship couldn't kill him, cancer couldn't kill him, and his mother is 95 years old. He won't die before Palin has been Vice President and in the loop for a good long time."

He would never vote Obama. I do hope I convinced him to vote McCain.

I had the most bizarre experience today. My rapid moonbat Uncle can't stand Palin- yet my Aunt, who is a moonbat but not quite so insane, actually admitted she liked her. In fact, my Aunt feels sorry for Palin. This is coming from a woman who has probably voted Democratic her entire life. I think maybe, just maybe, she might vote Republican. Moonbat Uncle is not voting, I'm not displeased about that. ;)

122 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:30:46pm

re: #46 Palandine

He's handsome, and he gives a great speech when he's inclined to. I'm just astounded people don't see through him.

We are taught from the cradle to consume politicians like we consume cars or cell phones or movies. Especially these days.

DON'T THINK, JUST BUY
DON'T THINK, JUST BUY

When a richass guy like Soros puts more money than G-d into purchasing a President, he makes damned sure there are no loose threads wagging for anybody to pull on, and he has the entire media working towards that end.

Even if people have doubts, there is no way for those people to express or confirm them, unless they come to someplace like LGF.

That's why Giuliani's speech and Palin's attack were so refreshing. That's what makes McCain's failure to nail Obama such a tragedy. We are being smothered in a media-peddled torrent of smoking, steaming bullshit, drowned in a tidal wave of lies constructed to hide the fact that this guy Obama is a Marxist punk with daddy issues and a real talent for speech mimickry... And nothing more.

If there's no way to talk about this stuff, then it doesn't get talked about. Witness the miracle of modern mass communication. If it wasn't for the internet, nobody would know anything about this guy at all, other than what we've been told by the puppetmasters.

123 wong fei hung  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:30:49pm

Considering the present day state of much of the war-torn African continent, I'd say nobody owes you jack, Doc.

Slavery is an ugly, horrible evil. Much of the African continent Dr. Jim and Revy Wright and Barack Karl Obama claim to identify with so strongly is currently in the grip of this evil, today, - in diamond mines, in Chinese-owned oil fields and mostly, beneath the whip of the Arab Islamist oppressor. These race-baiting scum don't say a damn thing about it. Barack Karl Obama doesn't even help his impoverished, shack-dwelling brother. MADONNA has saved more Africans from poverty.

Black liberation theology doesn't give a flying f*** about the African experience, only African-American extortion.

-WFH

124 yesandno  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:30:57pm

Many of the white liberal elite buy into this no doubt...doesn't the church have white members as well? Like beating yourself I would imagine.

Race defines them all...white and black. It was race that formed Obama...and not a single race at that, but the constant interplay between one and the other. A mother who didn't want to be white because it represented all she hated about herself, about her country. And a man with a southern accent that never lived in the South...

Just cannot say whites were sorry at what happened centuries ago...no, have to pay reparations. But the bigoted whites won't apologize, won't pay. So things like affirmative action and sub-prime loans become the new reparations.

This political cycle is all about race. It is about White Guilt and Black Anger. It is about more then being invited to the table. It is about sitting at the head and moving everyone else to the kitchen. Most of all, it isn't about equality...it is about superiority of one over the other. We have exchanged places. Like feminists who don't want to be women...they just want to be female men. They simply don't want to do anything except replace those in power. No sharing here. Same with race.

It is all about the color of skin, not the content of character.

125 pat  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:31:34pm

MLK, unlike the ilk who followed was a man of God. So his politics were foremost only in the sense they propagated such beliefs. Party was likely a personal choice. Beliefs which were enunciated by the earliest Christians in America. But neither the politicians or merchants of the time. His legacy has been stolen by ignorant thieves and charlatans.

126 Ripley45  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:31:52pm

community organizer in Chi-town (read sleeper cell). woeful dangerous times. I was scared listening to G. Beck today.

are we desperate or just enlightened?

127 ggt  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:32:11pm

I was gone for a short bit --laundry.

I was thinking of what Cone said about white people giving-up power. why would anyone want power that is given --in that sense. Power is to be won/earned. One way or another.

128 Marvo76  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:32:17pm

re: #23 Palandine

Someone tell me how the One can be winning:

1. Most liberal record in the Senate
2. Was only IN the Senate for a whopping 142 days before deciding to run for President
3. Spent 20 years in a racist church
4. Is friends with an unrepentant terrorist and a scumbag like Rezko
5. Admits he was mentored by a Communist'
6. Is a huge gun-grabber
7. Never saw a problem he couldn't solve through redistribution of wealth
8. In up to his eyeballs in the subprime mess
9. Not just pro-choice, but voted to not provide medical care to babies who survived an abortion

And the list goes on. Voters aren't really going to elect this guy, are they?


They are mezmerized by his bearing, I hate to say this, but he is a good candidate for the antichrist, wonder if he looses if he will be a candidate for the UN general assembly? Either way, that clip was down right scary....

129 shibumi  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:32:21pm

re: #98 Walter L. Newton

No. I don't know if I'm saying this clearly, but it's simply the way the far left progressives think. It's a way of life, a way of looking at the world and a way of dealing with others.

I've mentioned before that I most of the woman I date are very progressive liberals. I've talked over and over with them about these kinds of issues. No, they don't care about Obama's church. No, they don't care if he knew Ayers or had dealing with him. No, they don't care that he has only a few years under his belt as a senator.

But they do care that he is NOT A REPUBLICAN. They do care that he is black, and they see his reunninf for president as something they owe black America. They do care that he wants to up taxes on the rich.

They know that he is a socialist. And they see nothing wrong with that.

On LGF, we scratch our heads over these things, which is a real waste of time. We have to accept that there are Americans that simply want socialism in this country. It's not a mystery, iot's not odd, and for the folks on the left, there's absolutly nothing wrong with it.

We have a winner!

130 Cartman  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:32:28pm

Wow. Earlier today I e-mailed some information on Obama's proposed tax structure plans, and how devastating they will be, to an old and dear friend. He and I have never talked politics, IIRC. He replied, just tearing me a new a-hole, blasting Bush, McCain, Palin, the Repubs - the whole nine yards. This is a guy who's been very successful in business, I might add. I was dumbfounded. To me, what's going on politically in this country is fast becoming the stuff of nightmares. I sure hope saner hearts and minds will eventually prevail.

131 Archimedes  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:32:58pm

re: #33 MandyManners

I am sick of that man and his crooked, racist and crazy friends.

I CAN HARDLY WAIT UNTIL HE LOSES.

He's already lost. That's no life.

132 Egfrow  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:33:00pm

Leonardo Boff: Founder of Liberation Theology.

He is currently critical of non-religious powers as well considering George W. Bush and Ariel Sharon's leadership to be similar to that of "fundamentalist terrorist states." He has also made similar criticism of Islamic fundamentalists.[citation needed]

Boff said in an interview with the site "Comunità Italiana" (November 2001) about September 11 attacks on the United States of America: "For me, the terrorist attack of September 11 represents the shift towards a new humanitarian and world model. The targeted buildings send a message: a new world civilization couldn't be built with the kind of dominating economy (symbolized by the World Trade Center), with the kind of death machine set up (the Pentagon) and with the kind of arrogant politics and producer of many exclusions (White House spared, because the plane fell before). For me the system and culture of capital began to collapse. They are too destructive." In the same interview he said that "One of the worst fundamentalisms is that of neoliberalism"

Authorities in the Roman Catholic Church did not appreciate his criticism of Church leadership. They also felt his human rights advocacy had "politicized everything" and accused him of Marxism. In 1985, The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith directed at that time by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (now Pope Benedict XVI), silenced him for a year for his book Church: Charism and Power.

133 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:33:27pm

re: #125 pat

MLK was a Republican.

This is "an inconvinent truth" to the lefties.

134 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:33:37pm

His "1000 Sundays" of sitting through Jeremiah Wright rants will undermine Obama from ever being able to lead this Country.

He has the MSM on his side for now, but once he is President and the boogeymen are all dead, the media will turn on him next.

135 Syrah  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:33:43pm

re: #126 Ripley45

community organizer in Chi-town (read sleeper cell). woeful dangerous times. I was scared listening to G. Beck today.

are we desperate or just enlightened?

It was a rough show.

Keep a cool head. That was the essence of his message. It was a good message.

136 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:33:45pm

re: #98 Walter L. Newton

Walter, why do you only date lib chicks?

Plenty of conservative gals out there, ya know!

;-)

137 Van Helsing  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:33:54pm

re: #127 ggt

I was gone for a short bit --laundry.

I was thinking of what Cone said about white people giving-up power. why would anyone want power that is given --in that sense. Power is to be won/earned. One way or another.

Elitist!

/sarc

138 Marvo76  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:33:56pm

re: #33 MandyManners

I am sick of that man and his crooked, racist and crazy friends.

I CAN HARDLY WAIT UNTIL HE LOSES.


Mandy I hope you are right, I would would be VERY worried should he win....perhaps we had better stock up on more ammo if you can afford it and start hiding away some guns...

139 shibumi  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:34:09pm

re: #128 Marvo76

They are mezmerized by his bearing, I hate to say this, but he is a good candidate for the antichrist, wonder if he looses if he will be a candidate for the UN general assembly? Either way, that clip was down right scary....

I've said it before. The anti-christ does NOT need a teleprompter. He also doesn't say 'um' and 'uh' constantly.

/did you not read all of this in the Lost book of Nostradamus?

140 Syrah  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:34:59pm

re: #130 Cartman

Wow. Earlier today I e-mailed some information on Obama's proposed tax structure plans, and how devastating they will be, to an old and dear friend. He and I have never talked politics, IIRC. He replied, just tearing me a new a-hole, blasting Bush, McCain, Palin, the Repubs - the whole nine yards. This is a guy who's been very successful in business, I might add. I was dumbfounded. To me, what's going on politically in this country is fast becoming the stuff of nightmares. I sure hope saner hearts and minds will eventually prevail.

This election is more about emotion than reason.

Be prepared for the worst.

141 ggt  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:35:01pm

re: #123 wong fei hung

nice avatar!

142 expat canuck  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:35:35pm

OT - or is it?

Am watching the 1950 western titled 'Dallas' with Gary Cooper.
The bad guy, Will Marlow, says, "I don't buy mortgages to get paid back. I buy them to foreclose."

Hmmmm...I wonder. Was that the plan all along? Naaa-- too conspiratorial -- even for me...

Or is it?

143 ggt  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:35:46pm

re: #128 Marvo76

When the socialists take G-d out of the picture, they have a replacement in mind.

144 Bobibutu  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:35:49pm

re: #103 bcgirl

i am still stunned at how many people are brainwashed, the only good thing is my one friend who thought GWB was sending subliminal messages to brainwash us when he did tv speeches, has actually grown a brain, unwashed, and can see right thru the liarbama

I have been hammering my email list for some time ... only one has cut off communication so far. I have a lot of left friends being a 4th gen Bay Area kid.

So this pops in the other day. A shipmate from Navy Amphib days back in early 60s.
------------
BTW... got a note from one of my sons last week;...

"Thank your buddy Bob Dxxxxx for churning up the dirt on Obama; there was a time I would've voted for him months ago ..."

Apparently you accomplished something I didn't think I was going to "get done"... so, "thanks" from me too.

JL

--------------

Made my day.

145 Researcher...MO  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:36:00pm

Last year, I told my Mom about O's "church", she hardly believed me. Them the Wright story made the mainstream this year and she remembered that I had called it last year. Unfortunately, she is not going to vote. She will NOT vote for O, but can't bring herself to vote Repub. My Dad is supporting O, though for the life of me I can't understand why. It might have something to do with the fact that both parents had mostly lifelong federal jobs.

146 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:36:23pm

re: #143 ggt

It is no santa claus either

147 Marvo76  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:36:29pm

re: #39 bryantms

How someone with this many ties to corruption and controversy has risen to fame in his few short years in Congress is beyond me.


Perhaps there is a hand on him helping to smooth his way to power, and I don't mean the creator....

148 ggt  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:36:46pm

re: #136 Intrepid

He lives in Boulder. I wonder why they let him.

149 Wishing  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:37:20pm

re: #126 Ripley45

community organizer in Chi-town (read sleeper cell). woeful dangerous times. I was scared listening to G. Beck today.

are we desperate or just enlightened?


Keep a cool head. That was the essence of his message. It was a good message.

I was pretty shook up too Ripley. And i just saw the vids on the voter fraud that went on in the DNC...and i sure understand NOW why Hillary will NOT stump for the chump. Freekin thief.
What i do NOT understand is why isnt Hillary screamin? She was surely robbed.
This is frightening, what happened at those caucuses Linky

150 Opilio  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:37:22pm

re: #71 E.T.


"Someone tell me how the One can be winning:"

> The angry black man
> The guilty white man
> political correctness gone wild
> partizan politics
> the far left corrupt media
..... the perfect storm

Is it just possible that there is a silent majority out there that will rise up Nov. 4th and save the Republic? Or is the dumbing down of the American educational system for the last 40 years finally going to bear fruit for the Left?

151 bcgirl  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:37:30pm

re: #119 Ojoe

Rev Wright calls down Gods curse on my country. 0bama sits his in his church 20 years.

Not voting for him.

This election is denting race relations something fierce by the way.

If 0 not elected, the chant will be "racisim".

If 0 elected, and is a disaster as a president, whites will blame blacks for voting him in.

There is a chance that 0 will be elected, and be a really good president...

i just cannot believe that, he does not have a track record that backs it upbut he does have a track record of, at the very very least hanging around with the most corrupt and using power and money to get what he wants, maybe some othere other person who "does not look like those on the dollar bill" maybe even one with no real experience but without all the really questionable associates might have a chance but as some one in my local 7-11 said the other day,, and go ahead and call me and him racist,, the one is not the right brother for this time

152 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:37:35pm

re: #60 Noam Sayin'

The Agitator
Barack Obama's unlikely political education.
Ryan Lizza, The New Republic Published: Monday, March 19, 2007

...from half-way through the article:


He knew.

I'll put it in the spinoffs.

That's a stunning article.

153 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:38:16pm

re: #100 Suzette

She doesn't have it ..... she said so herself. Continue to read down that thread.
She simply didn't write correctly and please read the link she has in that post and it should clear up the thinking that she is sick.

Suzette, I know now, thank you. No one said that she corrected what she had written until you just did.

I'm not blaming anyone, but if you read what she said it reads she has it. I'm sorry, but I can't read every post here 24/7.

All someone had to say was she corrected it later in the thread. If I had been drinking I'd say okay, I read it wrong, but I hadn't been, and I knew what I read.

Now, that being said, Ploome, I'm glad you're better. Dean and rw- Godspeed to you both.

154 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:38:18pm

Nighty-night, Lizards.

155 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:38:34pm

re: #145 Researcher...MO

Last year, I told my Mom about O's "church", she hardly believed me. Them the Wright story made the mainstream this year and she remembered that I had called it last year. Unfortunately, she is not going to vote. She will NOT vote for O, but can't bring herself to vote Repub. My Dad is supporting O, though for the life of me I can't understand why. It might have something to do with the fact that both parents had mostly lifelong federal jobs.

Tell her that it's not enough to not for for 0bama. The best way to vote against 0bama is to vote for McCain.

156 arethusa  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:38:35pm

re: #145 Researcher...MO

Last year, I told my Mom about O's "church", she hardly believed me. Them the Wright story made the mainstream this year and she remembered that I had called it last year. Unfortunately, she is not going to vote. She will NOT vote for O, but can't bring herself to vote Repub. My Dad is supporting O, though for the life of me I can't understand why. It might have something to do with the fact that both parents had mostly lifelong federal jobs.

It may turn out that a non-vote is a vote for McCain. We'll see.

I don't know about federal jobs, but my father worked as a Navy engineer all his life, and he never, ever voted for a major-party candidate, except just before he died (Dole). But I think he would have liked McCain.

157 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:38:44pm

re: #140 Syrah

This election is more about emotion than reason.

Be prepared for the worst.

The Obama Effect: Otherwise Sensible People Lose Their F-cking Minds.

He's got half the nation willing to mentally die for him. They're ready and able at a moment's notice to jump into any lion cage, dive off any cliff, attack any dissenter, cover up any inconvenient truth, and excuse any wrong, anytime, anywhere, all for Dear Leader. It's amazing.

158 Egfrow  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:38:48pm

re: #130 Cartman

Wow. Earlier today I e-mailed some information on Obama's proposed tax structure plans, and how devastating they will be, to an old and dear friend. He and I have never talked politics, IIRC. He replied, just tearing me a new a-hole, blasting Bush, McCain, Palin, the Repubs - the whole nine yards. This is a guy who's been very successful in business, I might add. I was dumbfounded. To me, what's going on politically in this country is fast becoming the stuff of nightmares. I sure hope saner hearts and minds will eventually prevail.

Cartman. It's a story I'm very familiar with myself. Marxist indoctrination is almost complete, Those charged with sworn to defend and protect the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic have failed miserably. We have a major problem. Many educated friends of mine have fallen for the same line of B.S. The principals of Capitalism are not taught at all in schools and most people think it's just means "Profit and Greed".

159 bcgirl  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:38:54pm

re: #134 Mich-again

His "1000 Sundays" of sitting through Jeremiah Wright rants will undermine Obama from ever being able to lead this Country.

He has the MSM on his side for now, but once he is President and the boogeymen are all dead, the media will turn on him next.


it will be too late then

160 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:39:13pm

re: #113 reine.de.tout

Here is one of the comments where that was clarified.

She was quoting Dean Barnett in that post.
And didn't quite get the formatting right.

It's all cool. No problem.

161 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:40:00pm

re: #136 Intrepid

Walter, why do you only date lib chicks?

Plenty of conservative gals out there, ya know!

;-)

They are "friskier" than a lot of the woman I know my age (55).

re: #148 ggt

He lives in Boulder. I wonder why they let him.

I live in Golden, Co. please.

162 Researcher...MO  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:40:35pm

re: #155 Sharmuta

I have tried, very hard, to get her to cross over. But she is a strong-willed woman and just doesn't want to be hounded, so I have planted as many seeds as I can and pray that they bear fruit. She is a pretty devout Catholic, so maybe that will get her to the polls too.

163 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:40:41pm

re: #119 Ojoe

There is a chance that 0 will be elected, and be a really good president...

ZerObama joined up with a terrorist and mis-spent $50 to $100 MILLION of OTHER PEOPLES MONEY.

I'll give him a verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry slim (next to none) chance of being a good POTUS.

164 Wishing  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:40:42pm

re: #150 Opilio

Is it just possible that there is a silent majority out there that will rise up Nov. 4th and save the Republic? Or is the dumbing down of the American educational system for the last 40 years finally going to bear fruit for the Left?

I dont know if the silent majority, who i know will do the right thing and vote AGAINST Obama, will be able to stop the deluge of FRAUD. If the Clintons couldnt stop it, can the silent majority? We Will Not Be Silenced link

165 Suzette  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:40:45pm

re: #108 Bogotana

They expect God to destroy everyone who isn't black?
/It boggles the mind. Aren't every human on earth regardless of color, race or creed God's children?

166 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:41:02pm

re: #151 bcgirl

As a white guy, who loves his country and has read its history, and knows how blacks and whites should be arm in arm together after all we've been through: the Civil war and all; well I just would love to see the first black president of the USA to be way way way better than Barak Hussein Obama.

167 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:42:07pm

re: #163 IslandLibertarian

I was being scientific & not excluding a possibility.

I admit I think it is a slim chance.

168 LEGION  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:42:39pm

re: #139 shibumi

Nostradamus! Just ran across this link yesterday! Nuclear war in 2009! Ahhhhhh [Link: www.nostradamusonline.com...]

169 Van Helsing  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:42:46pm

re: #163 IslandLibertarian


There is a chance that 0 will be elected, and be a really good president...

ZerObama joined up with a terrorist and mis-spent $50 to $100 MILLION of OTHER PEOPLES MONEY.

I'll give him a verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry slim (next to none) chance of being a good POTUS.

With that much experience spending other people's money... hard to beat that on a resume.

170 jwb7605  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:43:10pm

re: #161 Walter L. Newton

I live in Golden, Co. please.

Yabbut the two towns share the same highway, so it must be just like Boulder.
Y'all speak with that south Boulder accent?
////

171 nightintheruts  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:43:23pm

re: #94 willowone

this is the first time I'm actually afraid of possible leaders.

The problem is...

this guy goes beyond socialism. He goes beyond black liberation carpetbagging.
With what we all know of him now...and the vast stuff that we don't know of him that remains hidden...
this guy is like something out of "The Omen".

The bastard son of a radical mother is bringing hatred to this country like never before. He is wrapped in pride and conceit. He trashes what many consider holy. He wants to be the world leader. He will do and say anything to get ahead. He was raised and taught by the leaders of hate groups and wrapped himself in the most corrupt political machine in our country.

And people are blindly following him without any question.

This isn't Kerry, or Mondale, or Carter.
They were just your average misguided democrats that we could have lived with and made fun of.
This guy is from a territory we've never dealt with before...

yeah, it's freaky.

172 DoubleU  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:43:30pm

re: #23 Palandine

Someone tell me how the One can be winning:
1...9
And the list goes on. Voters aren't really going to elect this guy, are they?

"Change"

I think there are people so filled with BDS that they don't care, there are those that agree with communism, there are those that don't pay attention, and there are those that don't believe there is evil in the world and Obama promises puppy dogs and free everything to everybody.

173 Syrah  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:43:31pm

re: #157 Pawn of the Oppressor

The Obama Effect: Otherwise Sensible People Lose Their F-cking Minds.

He's got half the nation willing to mentally die for him. They're ready and able at a moment's notice to jump into any lion cage, dive off any cliff, attack any dissenter, cover up any inconvenient truth, and excuse any wrong, anytime, anywhere, all for Dear Leader. It's amazing.

Their pent up passions will rage out of control. It may well be a frightful time to be alive.

We will all have to remember how very important it will be to keep a cool head if the worst comes to pass.

174 Researcher...MO  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:43:37pm

re: #156 arethusa

My theory on the federal jobs thing is that because they didn't have to compete in the private sector, and coming from old-fashioned Dem families, they are still of the belief that the Dem party is FOR them. Dad was a GS-13 when he retired, and Mom a GS-9 at retirement even thouth she left for many years to stay at home with us kids, if that gives you an idea of how long they were in.

175 Palandine  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:43:53pm

re: #117 Researcher...MO

We'll be here, God willing. I'm really serious about doing a meet next Spring, we have a great place with plenty of room, parking, and an awesome view. We had 35 people over for the Offshore Super Series races, so we're not afraid of hosting a gathering!

That'd be fun! If there's a range around there, we lizardettes and lizards could also go fire our boomsticks.

/Palandine's always wanted to have a Missouri lizard range day

176 bcgirl  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:44:27pm

re: #166 Ojoe

As a white guy, who loves his country and has read its history, and knows how blacks and whites should be arm in arm together after all we've been through: the Civil war and all; well I just would love to see the first black president of the USA to be way way way better than Barak Hussein Obama.


for-shore!

177 Egfrow  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:44:31pm

re: #166 Ojoe

As a white guy, who loves his country and has read its history, and knows how blacks and whites should be arm in arm together after all we've been through: the Civil war and all; well I just would love to see the first black president of the USA to be way way way better than Barak Hussein Obama.

I never considered myself, White nor ever consider what color people are. I consider myself American and anyone who embraces the American Way of life with vigor, ie Capitalism, Integrity, Exceptionalism, and Freedom is considered my brother. Cowards, Free loaders, whiners, complainers, the lazy, and the false elite are not considered as kindly.

178 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:45:38pm

re: #165 Suzette

They expect God to destroy everyone who isn't black?
/It boggles the mind. Aren't every human on earth regardless of color, race or creed God's children?

Why is that so strange. Jehovah's Witnesses teach that G-D will destroy everyone who is not a Witness.

Islam believes many non-muslims will be remove from this planet in the end days.

And there are MANY small "end times" groups that believe that they are the only ones that will survive.

And lets face it, many flavors of Christianity doesn't hold out much hope for anyone dying and not having accepted Jesus.

179 LEGION  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:45:55pm

The 20 yr old college kid, son of an elected demonrat- who hacked into Sarah Palin's email- gets indicted. GOOD!

180 Marvo76  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:46:07pm

re: #139 shibumi

I've said it before. The anti-christ does NOT need a teleprompter. He also doesn't say 'um' and 'uh' constantly.

/did you not read all of this in the Lost book of Nostradamus?

nope, just a gut feeling, or better yert he smells like a wolf in sheeps clothing...

181 Ripley45  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:47:04pm

I really like the idea of naming the cabinet. All these men are great Americans - maybe they could visit Keith Overbite or the View. why not SNL Mitt and Rudy and Fred?

come out Republicans.

182 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:47:16pm

re: #162 Researcher...MO

I understand. I have an Auntie who complains to me constantly about the tax bill her and my small business owner Uncle have to pay.

She's in the tank for 0bama. It's surreal.

I will give it one more shot, but if 0bama is elected, I will cut her off any time she wants to complain to me about taxes again by telling her that's what she voted for so that's what she gets.

183 JacksonTn  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:47:17pm

Charles, I sent you and email.

184 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:47:24pm

re: #172 DoubleU

"Change"

I think there are people so filled with BDS that they don't care, there are those that agree with communism, there are those that don't pay attention, and there are those that don't believe there is evil in the world and Obama promises puppy dogs and free everything to everybody.

And unicorns farting rainbows. You can't forget that.

//////////

185 Researcher...MO  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:47:26pm

re: #175 Palandine

Yes, there's is a range in Camdenton as far as I know. Then there's a weekend neighbor who just shoots at fish from his window! I think I will plan on doing that next spring, sometime in late April/early May before the water is too rough, but the weather is nice and everything is in bloom.

186 krycek  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:47:26pm

What is going on? They're all mad as a hatters! Democrats will say anything and do anything. They don't even realize when their own people go off the deep end.

187 lobo91  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:47:31pm

re: #161 Walter L. Newton

I live in Golden, Co. please.

Golden is as close to Boulder as I'll go. I live in Colorado Springs, but I have an apartment down the street from the Renewable Energy Lab that I stay in during the week.

If I were in Boulder, I'd have to remove the DoD registration sticker from my car, and go to work in civilian clothes and change when I got there.

188 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:47:38pm

re: #161 Walter L. Newton

I live in Golden, Co. please.

LOL! I'd be insulted too! Peoples Republic of Boulder. My ex went to school there. ***SPIT***

189 Racer X  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:47:49pm

McCain = Tortured by Communists
Obama = Tutored by Communists
Ayers = Terrorist Communist


(Thanks to buzzsawmonkey)

190 dwigg  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:47:57pm

As long as their conservative race & genitalia don't matter.

191 LizardoidCaptain  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:48:13pm

re: #186 krycek

What is going on? They're all mad as a hatters! Democrats will say anything and do anything. They don't even realize when their own people go off the deep end.

Those who believe in nothing will say anything because to them it doesn't matter.

192 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:48:17pm

re: #166 Ojoe

As a white guy, who loves his country and has read its history, and knows how blacks and whites should be arm in arm together after all we've been through: the Civil war and all; well I just would love to see the first black president of the USA to be way way way better than Barak Hussein Obama.

Dr.Thomas Sowell.

193 Palandine  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:48:20pm

re: #128 Marvo76

They are mezmerized by his bearing, I hate to say this, but he is a good candidate for the antichrist, wonder if he looses if he will be a candidate for the UN general assembly? Either way, that clip was down right scary....

Ix-nay on the anti-Christ-ay. Head Lizard does not like.

/Probably also the Beast or the False Prophet, too... ;)

194 Researcher...MO  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:49:02pm

re: #182 Sharmuta

Yep. What I think is surreal is that my parents brought me up with their values, and yet I am the only Repub in my family! I am at a loss to understand it.

195 Macker  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:49:11pm

re: #16 Killian Bundy

Archives prove Obama was a New Party member

/it's official, Lord Ocama is a card carrying socialist

I prefer the term "Dirty F**kin' Communist" myself.

196 Marvo76  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:49:53pm

re: #144 Bobibutu

greetings from a fellow gator navy sailor. Stationed at Littlecreek, VA tacron 21, 78-81 tactical air controller for amphib assaults untill marines establish shore command and control...

197 Van Helsing  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:50:07pm

re: #195 Macker

I prefer the term "Dirty F**kin' Communist" myself.

Myself I use "Rat Commie Bastard".

198 bcgirl  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:50:25pm

re: #180 Marvo76
I've said it before. The anti-christ does NOT need a teleprompter. He also doesn't say 'um' and 'uh' constantly.

/did you not read all of this in the Lost book of Nostradamus

nor did he ummm and ahhh in the Left Behind books but he did have a teleprompter!

nope, just a gut feeling, or better yert he smells like a wolf in sheeps clothing...
199 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:50:30pm

re: #152 MandyManners

That's a stunning article.

Read another article today that referenced it, but can't remember what article that was. Could have been something at American Thinker, RCP, FPM, Hotair...

Criminy. I surf a lot.

200 Syrah  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:50:46pm

re: #180 Marvo76

nope, just a gut feeling, or better yert he smells like a wolf in sheeps clothing...

Obama is a True Believer, an Evangelist for the God-state. He calls for you and me and all of us to serve.

201 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:51:00pm

re: #187 lobo91

Golden is as close to Boulder as I'll go. I live in Colorado Springs, but I have an apartment down the street from the Renewable Energy Lab that I stay in during the week.

If I were in Boulder, I'd have to remove the DoD registration sticker from my car, and go to work in civilian clothes and change when I got there.

NREL. Why do you work there? I worked there for almost 15 years. Got laid off 4 years ago, budget crap, I was a programmer. Now, at 55, I can't find full time work as a programmer, I'm at that age no one wants.

That's why I went back into the entertainment business. I do a little piece meal programming work from home for a few clients.

202 Archimedes  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:51:14pm

re: #192 Oldasdirt

Dr.Thomas Sowell.

He would never run, though. He wants no part of that scene.

203 ggt  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:52:19pm

re: #149 Wishing

I just watched the first one. Am not awake enough to watch the rest, right now.

Having read (yes, it is in the Book Spin-off Links) Robert Caro's Path to Power, regarding the first Senatorial race LBJ participated in and won, I am not suprised. It seems Texas and Chicago have their own rules.

The difference today is that we have the ability to communicate via the internet. Thanks for that link, i will pass it on.

204 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:52:22pm

re: #162 Researcher...MO

I have tried, very hard, to get her to cross over. But she is a strong-willed woman and just doesn't want to be hounded, so I have planted as many seeds as I can and pray that they bear fruit. She is a pretty devout Catholic, so maybe that will get her to the polls too.

If she's a devout Catholic, tell her not only about Obama's atrocious voting record when it comes to abortion, but his votes to allow Infanticide- The killing Aborted babies who live after the abortion being killed. This guy is is a despicable piece of human excrement.

205 Cartman  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:52:37pm

Here were the last two lines from my (I guess) friend in his reply:

"McCain is a war monger and Palin is a lunatic

I'll take my chances..."

Kinda freaked me out, coming from this guy. It's almost as if someone else wrote it. I ain't gonna lose sleep over it, but it sure is odd.

206 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:52:54pm

Completely OT: FAIL.

207 ggt  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:52:56pm

re: #161 Walter L. Newton

sorry, I get confused this late at night. So sorry.

208 arethusa  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:53:02pm

re: #174 Researcher...MO

My theory on the federal jobs thing is that because they didn't have to compete in the private sector, and coming from old-fashioned Dem families, they are still of the belief that the Dem party is FOR them. Dad was a GS-13 when he retired, and Mom a GS-9 at retirement even thouth she left for many years to stay at home with us kids, if that gives you an idea of how long they were in.

Yeah, my father was GS-14 when he retired. I think a lot of his disaffection stemmed from originally starting working for the government as an Army engineer, at a base that Carter closed - and, as he was fond of saying, Mondale had promised in the 1976 campaign to keep open.

I learned to distrust all politicians early. When I see my colleagues, same age range as me, swooning over Obama, I'm glad of that.

209 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:53:31pm

re: #202 Archimedes

He would never run, though. He wants no part of that scene.

I know,,but would make a great president if we could make him take it.
Remember,George Washington did not want the presidency either.

210 Researcher...MO  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:53:56pm

re: #204 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Yes, that is the angle I have taken there, but so far she insists she is stitting it out. I have three more weeks though!

211 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:54:05pm

re: #207 ggt

sorry, I get confused this late at night. So sorry.

That's ok, it gave me a chance to trash Boulder. I always love to do that.

212 Egfrow  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:54:17pm

re: #205 Cartman

Here were the last two lines from my (I guess) friend in his reply:

Kinda freaked me out, coming from this guy. It's almost as if someone else wrote it. I ain't gonna lose sleep over it, but it sure is odd.

Turn him on to Mark Levin. It has worked with a few of my friends. They won't listen to you.

213 Van Helsing  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:54:52pm

re: #200 Syrah

Obama is a True Believer, an Evangelist for the God-state. He calls for you and me and all of us to serve.

And health care is right - so sayeth Obama I the Divine, bestower of rights. What the State giveth, the State can witholdeth.

Have I mentioned that I hate commies?

214 lobo91  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:55:08pm

re: #157 Pawn of the Oppressor

The Obama Effect: Otherwise Sensible People Lose Their F-cking Minds.

He's got half the nation willing to mentally die for him. They're ready and able at a moment's notice to jump into any lion cage, dive off any cliff, attack any dissenter, cover up any inconvenient truth, and excuse any wrong, anytime, anywhere, all for Dear Leader. It's amazing.

I'm sure there were plenty of people in Germany in the early '30s who were just as confused as we are today.

215 SeafoodGumbo  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:55:24pm

re: #96 jwb7605

As a former SBVFT member, I agree with the sentiment about Corsi.
On the other hand, if Rush is spreading it, there's probably some fire with the smoke.
Rush is usually pretty careful.

It wasn't Rush, it was on Hannity's radio show.

216 Marvo76  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:55:28pm

re: #192 Oldasdirt

Dr.Thomas Sowell.

Walter Williams

218 arethusa  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:55:48pm

My almost-90-year-old grandmother has dementia. She can't remember Obama's name, so she calls him "half-and-half." I assumed this was because he was biracial, but in a more lucid moment the other day I asked her why, and she said, "No, because he always wants to have it both ways."

I thought that was a pretty good description of Obama's flip-flops and refusal to disown his past or explain it.

219 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:56:05pm

Vladimir Lenin Bill Ayers waxes on about the Revolution at a terrorist conclave faculty speech at the Midwestern politburo Michigan State University less than 1 year ago.

And to think - middle aged parents spend hard earned dollars to expose their young adult children to this crap 4 years at a time.

220 Palandine  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:56:47pm

re: #206 Fat Jolly Penguin

Completely OT: FAIL.

Why would the Empire design a weapon that has KNEES? :)

T-shirt is right: Fail.

221 bcgirl  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:56:53pm

re: #205 Cartman

Here were the last two lines from my (I guess) friend in his reply:


Kinda freaked me out, coming from this guy. It's almost as if someone else wrote it. I ain't gonna lose sleep over it, but it sure is odd.

geez my friend since i was 12 years old said the same thing about McCain,, i just do not see that,, obammma was the one going on about afganistan and invading pa-KI-stan, she hates Palin too, and i find that strange being she is a self made strong woman too, man this world is fd up

222 Strike Hornet  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:57:21pm

re: #29 spidly

Had a bit of a freak out when my inbox had several pleas from McCain to "help us win" My email response:


humph

WOW! That was awesome! Spidly for President!

223 Marvo76  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:57:22pm

re: #200 Syrah

still gives me cold chills...

224 Archimedes  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:57:24pm

re: #209 Oldasdirt

I know,,but would make a great president if we could make him take it.
Remember,George Washington did not want the presidency either.

I agree. He's level headed, fact oriented and he values freedom.

225 Researcher...MO  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:57:34pm

re: #208 arethusa

I don't know that I learned it early, the Hatch Act was very much enforced in our house, as well as the sanctity of the secret ballot. To this day I have no idea who my parents have voted for over the years, and this year is the first time I have planted a yard sign and a bumper sticker, early training dies hard! I think I got it from outrage over the ideas of entitlement, I started calling myself a conservative in my early 20s.

226 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:57:52pm

re: #216 Marvo76

Walter Williams

There are many,,just not THE ONE.

227 lobo91  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:58:01pm

re: #201 Walter L. Newton

NREL. Why do you work there? I worked there for almost 15 years. Got laid off 4 years ago, budget crap, I was a programmer. Now, at 55, I can't find full time work as a programmer, I'm at that age no one wants.

That's why I went back into the entertainment business. I do a little piece meal programming work from home for a few clients.

I don't work at NREL. Just mentioned it as a landmark.

I work at the Federal Center. I'm an Army Reserve Sergeant Major on temporary (if you can call it that after 4 1/2 years) active duty.

228 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:58:40pm

re: #195 Macker

I prefer the term "Dirty F**kin' Communist" myself.

What's the difference between a Socialist and a Communist?

The socialist doesn't have all the guns YET!

229 Cicero05  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:59:09pm

If Obama is elected, it will be either (a) a Carter-like four-year mistake that we'll survive without permanent damage, or (b) the beginning of a fundamental change in the politics of America, the point at which the brainwashed product of a brain-dead Leftist academic establishment finally succeeds in outvoting the citizens who have some pride in self-sufficiency, American culture and a basic literacy in economics.

We may be seeing the start of a long decline in American influence and power that is promoted from within by an intelligensia who sees nothing worth defending in American culture. That this coincides with a resurgence of the primitive, hate-filled ideology of islam is a matter that should concern all of us. There may be a Dark Age yet to come.

230 spirochete  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:59:23pm

Anyone see what the DOW futures ans Asian markets r doing?

231 Syrah  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:59:31pm

re: #213 Van Helsing

And health care is right - so sayeth Obama I the Divine, bestower of rights. What the State giveth, the State can witholdeth.

Have I mentioned that I hate commies?

Commies are very easy to hate.

I tried to explain the game theory behind "From each according to his ability and to each according to his need" to someone today. It is not easy, but once they get it, you can see the light go on behind their eyes.

Attack them at their foundation. It is where they are the weakest.

232 Marvo76  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:59:34pm

re: #218 arethusa

My almost-90-year-old grandmother has dementia. She can't remember Obama's name, so she calls him "half-and-half." I assumed this was because he was biracial, but in a more lucid moment the other day I asked her why, and she said, "No, because he always wants to have it both ways."

I thought that was a pretty good description of Obama's flip-flops and refusal to disown his past or explain it.


if she can make that distiction, she hasn't lost it yet...

233 Egfrow  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 8:59:57pm

re: #213 Van Helsing

And health care is right - so sayeth Obama I the Divine, bestower of rights. What the State giveth, the State can witholdeth.

Have I mentioned that I hate commies?

They seem well organized and competently skilled at physiological social engineering. That's pretty much all they really can innovate with. We must be tricked into losing and giving up. If Conservatives fight we always win.

234 Cartman  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:00:10pm

re: #212 Egfrow

Turn him on to Mark Levin. It has worked with a few of my friends. They won't listen to you.

From the overall tone of that e-mail, I doubt I'll have the chance to suggest anything. I doubt we'll be talking much, if at all after this. 'Tis a shame, as we've been friends for over 25 years.

235 Bobibutu  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:00:32pm

re: #196 Marvo76

greetings from a fellow gator navy sailor. Stationed at Littlecreek, VA tacron 21, 78-81 tactical air controller for amphib assaults untill marines establish shore command and control...

Geese - Little Creek ah, memories ... me too. '62-'63.
USS Direct (MSO-430 - MinDiv 43) Ocean Going Minesweeper - Wooden Ships - Iron Men!. Underwater Swimmer with EOD and Electronics Tech for my day job.

236 realwest  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:01:12pm

Hey all y'all - I'm late to the party again (and HAVE to go to sleep soon cause I've got an early and long day tomorrow!) - so what have I missed?!

237 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:01:24pm

re: #227 lobo91

I don't work at NREL. Just mentioned it as a landmark.

I work at the Federal Center. I'm an Army Reserve Sergeant Major on temporary (if you can call it that after 4 1/2 years) active duty.

Yes sir. And a tip of my derby to your service. I just live off of South Golden Road, down past Camp George West.

Stay tuned. I'm thinking of arrange a Lizard meet up at the live theatre I run. I don't have a idea for a date, but I'll be starting to query Lizards here for some ideas as to time and date.

238 realwest  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:01:50pm

re: #234 Cartman
Hey Cartman - when you get a chance, please check your e-mail my friend.

239 West Coast Freedom  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:01:57pm

How about these quotes...

“You will never get real freedom and recognition between black and white people in this country without destroying the country, without destroying the present political system, without destroying the present economic system, without rewriting the entire constitution. It will be a complete destruction of everything that America supposedly stands for.”

– El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz
(born Malcolm Little, most commonly known as Malcolm X)

“Only Malcolm X’s autobiography seemed to offer something different. His repeated acts of self-creation spoke to me. The blunt poetry of his words. His unadorned insistence on respect. He promised a new and uncompromising order, marshal in its discipline.”

–Barack Hussein Obama

“But my journey is part of a larger journey - one shared by all who’ve ever sought to apply the values of their faith to our society. It’s a journey that takes us back to our nation’s founding, when none other than a UCC church inspired the Boston Tea Party and helped bring an Empire to its knees.”

–Barack Hussein Obama

240 Researcher...MO  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:01:57pm

re: #234 Cartman

The supreme irony of the "Great Unifier" O...I am in a similar position with a friend, and apparently from the posts here and elsewhere, this is depressingly common.

241 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:03:20pm

re: #231 Syrah

Commies are very easy to hate.

I tried to explain the game theory behind "From each according to his ability and to each according to his need" to someone today. It is not easy, but once they get it, you can see the light go on behind their eyes.

Attack them at their foundation. It is where they are the weakest.

I have another family member I was going to try to get to see the light. She hates rich people- thinks they're snobs. So when I mentioned 0bama's tax plan for small business might cost her her job, she seemed to think it would just mean her bosses wouldn't be able to take a vacation. So my new approach is going to be to ask her how many people she employed today, and how many other people were employed today by poor or working class citizens. I think she can continue to think the rich are snobs, but if she can't grasp that they're the ones creating jobs, then I'll know she's a lost cause and a real commie.

242 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:03:29pm

re: #220 Palandine

Why would the Empire design a weapon that has KNEES? :)

T-shirt is right: Fail.

Yeah, and then they went and designed one with reverse-articulated knees. Duh.

243 Syrah  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:03:35pm

re: #236 realwest

Hey all y'all - I'm late to the party again (and HAVE to go to sleep soon cause I've got an early and long day tomorrow!) - so what have I missed?!

Its a little grim here.

Cartman had an interesting story to relate about an email exchange with a friend. You should check it out.

244 Egfrow  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:03:52pm

re: #234 Cartman

From the overall tone of that e-mail, I doubt I'll have the chance to suggest anything. I doubt we'll be talking much, if at all after this. 'Tis a shame, as we've been friends for over 25 years.

Don't let politics destroy friendships, be patient, state your point of view, and eventually he will come around. The Civil War was brother against brother to correct a grave error of humanity. The stronger and more rightous must sometimes just must be compelled to dominate. I have a close friend I have pressured a bit but backed off and made the first effort at saying good luck and you are still my friend.

245 Palandine  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:04:04pm

re: #230 spirochete

Anyone see what the DOW futures ans Asian markets r doing?

Australia down a little, Hong Kong and Japan up

Naked short sale ban ends tomorrow. I've heard people say these guys will immediately go back to driving the market down, but I also heard Cavuto (who seems like a solid guy) saytat they might inject a little liquidity into the market.

246 Mel Lono  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:04:06pm

re: #216 Marvo76

my regards, Sir! My FIL was on the Hovey in WWII. Minesweeper class, don't remember the desig. no.

247 realwest  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:04:09pm

re: #237 Walter L. Newton
Hi Walter! Uh, how come your name is in blue and everyone else's (except Syrah's) seems to be in black and white? and the numbers seem to be all grey, too.
Did Charles announce any, uh, further improvements or enhancements to LGF?!

248 Marvo76  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:04:47pm

re: #235 Bobibutu

You wouldn't recognize the base today, they have changed so much, Hell McDonalds on the base near sheild hall, Sheilds rebuilt into aprtment type rooms, my building across fromt he com center at gate three bridge, GONE (apporach end of Norfolk INternational runway) I was on Lph's, Lpd's, LCC, LHD...

249 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:05:05pm

re: #236 realwest

Hey all y'all - I'm late to the party again (and HAVE to go to sleep soon cause I've got an early and long day tomorrow!) - so what have I missed?!

We've concluded Obommie's a commie.

250 Suzette  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:05:28pm

re: #153 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Well I at first thought the same thing too to be honest until I clicked her link.
Sometimes posts come across in wrong way.

251 baxtrice  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:05:29pm

Tell me, why is it that the Media and Americans completely close their eyes to this type of associations and bad judgement. Are we really so entranced with this "Hope" & "Change" message? Obama is an empty suit with big money donors that are the real power behind him (Soros, George). And still the majority of the American public is blind. Then you have the socialistic policies and the heavy taxation..and the very Orwellian way in which his campaign has tried to stomp out any kind of criticism.

Wake Up America. You've been fed a lot of BS about Cheney and Bush being fascists for 8 years, but you've got one being groomed right before your very eyes.

252 neocon hippie  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:05:43pm

re: #231 Syrah

How did you explain it? Sounds like an angle possibly worth pursuing with some folks.

253 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:06:06pm

re: #237 Walter L. Newton

Yes sir. And a tip of my derby to your service. I just live off of South Golden Road, down past Camp George West.

Stay tuned. I'm thinking of arrange a Lizard meet up at the live theatre I run. I don't have a idea for a date, but I'll be starting to query Lizards here for some ideas as to time and date.

/I'm not dating you.

254 jwb7605  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:06:09pm

re: #215 SeafoodGumbo

It wasn't Rush, it was on Hannity's radio show.

In that case, I'd be really really cautious.

255 lobo91  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:06:29pm

re: #237 Walter L. Newton

Yes sir. And a tip of my derby to your service. I just live off of South Golden Road, down past Camp George West.

Stay tuned. I'm thinking of arrange a Lizard meet up at the live theatre I run. I don't have a idea for a date, but I'll be starting to query Lizards here for some ideas as to time and date.

I'm generally in town Monday morning through Friday afternoon. I go home on the weekends.

I tend to be gone a lot, though. My unit conducts trainng for units on their way to Iraq, usually down at Ft Bliss.

256 solomonpanting  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:06:34pm

I wonder what the political affiliations are of these folks:

The New York Times reports that tens of thousands of eligible voters have been removed from rolls or blocked from registering in at least six swing states, and the voters' exclusion appears to violate federal law.
The newspaper says its findings are based on reviews of state records and Social Security data.
The Times says voters appear to have been purged by mistake, not because of any intentional violations by election officials or coordinated efforts by any party.
The newspaper says it identified apparent problems in Colorado, Indiana, Ohio, Michigan, Nevada and North Carolina.

257 JohnAdams  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:06:49pm

re: #244 Egfrow

I have many liberal friends, and I know they do try to keep things civil. I can deal with victory, I can deal with defeat. What I CANNOT deal with is anyone who cannot deal with either.

258 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:06:49pm

re: #247 realwest

Hi Walter! Uh, how come your name is in blue and everyone else's (except Syrah's) seems to be in black and white? and the numbers seem to be all grey, too.
Did Charles announce any, uh, further improvements or enhancements to LGF?!

Mine is blue and if you click on it, it takes you right to my playwright web site. I don't know about changes. I thought it always did that.

259 Marvo76  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:07:00pm

re: #246 Mel Lono

Bravo Zulu sir!

260 Researcher...MO  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:07:03pm

re: #241 Sharmuta

I used a similar argument with the young salesman, whose job and mine, is for a small business. He sisn't seem to be concerned by it even though I pointed out that our owners fit the profile perfectly. Not to mention that our business DEPENDS on the luxury buyers. Poor people don't buy 250K+ boats and fill up 1000gal gas tanks! And many of those same buyers are small business people, what part does he not understand?!?

261 ggt  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:07:16pm

re: #241 Sharmuta

Rich like Ayers? Rich like Rezko? Daley? Rich like who.

If you have a house, new car and can take a vacation, many young people think that makes you rich.

people are amazed to learn that the people in those "nice neighborhoods" have mortgages too!

262 Mel Lono  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:07:51pm

re: #259 Marvo76

Old Coastie, myself.

263 jwb7605  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:08:01pm

Good night, all.

264 Van Helsing  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:08:12pm

re: #233 Egfrow

They are very well organized, highly skill, and utterly ruthless. Words are their weapons (for now) and they are damn good with them.

Look what they have done with 'fair', 'judge', and 'justice'. I've got the f***ing Ayers video playing in another window as I type this and look what the POS is doing - PROFESSOR at a STATE University! He should be dead or in prison! Quoting Chou-En-Lai? WTF? This guy that said "Bring the revolution home, kill your parents!"?

Un-f***ing believable.

265 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:08:14pm

re: #260 Researcher...MO

what part does he not understand?!?

Basic economics.

266 Researcher...MO  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:08:49pm

re: #244 Egfrow

Sometimes you have no choice. I am holding onto my friend by not speaking to him, by mutual agreement. But it has been a struggle to keep the friendship, and NOT because of me! If he were less of a friend, I'm not sure I would try.

267 arethusa  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:08:58pm

re: #258 Walter L. Newton

Realwest, yours is in blue too...

Remember when the Republicans used to have the blue states on the electoral map, before 2000 changed everything? I miss those days. :-(

268 realwest  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:09:29pm

re: #243 Syrah
Hi Syrah - I just read about them. Cartman had sent me the e-mail about the taxing "ideas" of Obama and McCain and I was thunderstruck. Obama does indeed apparently HATE older, white people and meant it when he said we couldn't stay warm or cool and had to conserve on water etc.
So I can understand why it's grim in here.
FWIW, I forwarded it on via e-mail to four friends and printed it out to snail mail to five others - all nine of whom I expect or have told me that they are voting for Obama (and yes I did take Cartman's name off the e-mails before I forwarded them and printed them out!).

269 Marvo76  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:10:48pm

re: #256 solomonpanting

I wonder what the political affiliations are of these folks:

INdiana has rules to purge voters who don't vote after a certain amount of time, we have had several chi-town problems in my community of Anderson, in the last few election cycles. It also may be related to the number of folks who have moved out of state in the past few years to find a better job market as well. Consider we lost 2 electorial votes in the last 15 years....

270 Syrah  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:11:11pm

re: #241 Sharmuta

I have another family member I was going to try to get to see the light. She hates rich people- thinks they're snobs. So when I mentioned 0bama's tax plan for small business might cost her her job, she seemed to think it would just mean her bosses wouldn't be able to take a vacation. So my new approach is going to be to ask her how many people she employed today, and how many other people were employed today by poor or working class citizens. I think she can continue to think the rich are snobs, but if she can't grasp that they're the ones creating jobs, then I'll know she's a lost cause and a real commie.

Part of the conversation that my Game Theory discussion lead to was about how little people are properly educated on economics and politics.

Too many people would not know a Fascist if he was running for President. All that they know about the Nazi's, the Fascist, and maybe on occasion even the Commies is that they are "bad guys" without an inkling of why they are the bad guys.

In my more conspiracy minded moments, I wonder if the NEA and the government school teaching establishment haven't deliberately avoided explaining why the Fascist and the Commies were was bad because it would cut to close to home for their comfort.

271 Egfrow  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:11:22pm

re: #264 Van Helsing

They are very well organized, highly skill, and utterly ruthless. Words are their weapons (for now) and they are damn good with them.

Look what they have done with 'fair', 'judge', and 'justice'. I've got the f***ing Ayers video playing in another window as I type this and look what the POS is doing - PROFESSOR at a STATE University! He should be dead or in prison! Quoting Chou-En-Lai? WTF? This guy that said "Bring the revolution home, kill your parents!"?

Un-f***ing believable.


It's not that they are so good at words is that they are so good at making people intellectually lazy but saying they will do everything for us.

272 ggt  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:11:25pm

re: #268 realwest


Hey rw, sent that e-mail to me.

BTW, I'm going to sleep soon also, so weet dreams if you go first.

273 realwest  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:11:31pm

re: #251 baxtrice
One change if you don't mind:

Wake Up America. You've been fed a lot of BS about Cheney and Bush being fascists for 8 years, but you've got one standing being groomed right before your very eyes.

hope you don't mind.

274 someotherguy  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:11:38pm

I'm a Latino Republican...and a believer in Christ.
This is FALSE teaching! Straight out!
If this were true...then we would have Latino Liberation Theology, Korean Liberation Theology, Chinese Liberation Theology...etc...
Total bunk...Dr. Martin Luther didn't believe in this stuff.
God has broken the chains of slavery for Blacks...but as a community...Blacks have forsaken God.
Just look at the voting record...almost all Blacks support Democrats...the Party of Death!

275 Bobibutu  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:11:50pm

re: #248 Marvo76

You wouldn't recognize the base today, they have changed so much, Hell McDonalds on the base near sheild hall, Sheilds rebuilt into aprtment type rooms, my building across fromt he com center at gate three bridge, GONE (apporach end of Norfolk INternational runway) I was on Lph's, Lpd's, LCC, LHD...

I can imagine. The MSOs were probably all decommissioned by the time you got there.

A group of us got ahold of one and are restoring it. It's parked in the Sacramento Delta.

[Link: www.cafepress.com...]

[Link: groups.yahoo.com...]

Nice pic of the "Boat".

276 Opilio  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:11:53pm

re: #230 spirochete

Anyone see what the DOW futures and Asian markets r doing?

Up, so far.

Nikkei      +2.3%
Hang Seng  +3.3%
Seoul       +2.2%

277 Cartman  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:11:59pm

re: #238 realwest

Hey Cartman - when you get a chance, please check your e-mail my friend.

Replied to, good buddy.

278 neocon hippie  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:12:02pm

Powerline has a post with the key documentation of Hussein's link to the New Party. Sent down the memory hole but on the web archive:

[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]

279 baxtrice  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:12:38pm

re: #273 realwest

Nope, that works. :)

280 nigella  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:12:40pm

I know there is a tape out there somewhere of Obama and Michelle sitting in Wright's church during one of his "sermons." He said the terrible "chickens have come home to roooooooost" on the Sunday after 9/11. Obama wouldn't be in church on such an important day? I don't think so.

281 arethusa  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:12:48pm

re: #269 Marvo76

INdiana has rules to purge voters who don't vote after a certain amount of time, we have had several chi-town problems in my community of Anderson, in the last few election cycles. It also may be related to the number of folks who have moved out of state in the past few years to find a better job market as well. Consider we lost 2 electorial votes in the last 15 years....

I think most states have such laws. PA is not always quick about updating rolls (haven't voted there since 2004); my mother says my name is still before hers on the county list of voters. I sent them a letter, they sent me a form to fill out, I filled it out, it's still on the role.

If I were an ACORN member, I'd probably try to get a PA absentee ballot.

282 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:12:53pm

re: #250 Suzette

Well I at first thought the same thing too to be honest until I clicked her link.
Sometimes posts come across in wrong way.

It's ok, all's good.

283 solomonpanting  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:13:31pm

re: #269 Marvo76

Thanks for the update.

284 Researcher...MO  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:13:57pm

re: #265 Sharmuta

Too true. Our company has already cut the hourly workers to 4 day weeks, but hey, at least we all still have jobs! I'm salaried, so so far I haven't been affected, but believe me I worry! The one thing that makes me optimistic right now is that one of the owners lives and breathes the company, and I know she'll do whatever it takes to keep that business afloat. I make sure that I am versatile and reliable enough to keep myself useful to the company!

285 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:14:36pm

re: #239 West Coast Freedom

It’s a journey that takes us back to our nation’s founding, when none other than a UCC church inspired the Boston Tea Party and helped bring an Empire to its knees.”

–Barack Hussein Obama

That's bullshit. The Tea Party wasn't a church meeting, and I think the Continental Army, the French Navy, and Messrs. Jefferson, Adams, Washington, et al. had a bit more to do with "bringing an empire to its knees" than his silly-ass church.

286 ggt  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:14:40pm

re: #270 Syrah

Hey Syrah, can you send me that Game Theory?

In Liberal Fascism, the author explained how the Russians worked hard to separate themselves from Hitler and Fascism. As a result, the communists hate fascists. IMHO there isn't enough of a difference to shake a stick at.

So, as the Communists have taken over education in this country, they are sure to teach all the bad things about Fascism, but none of the truth about communism. Nice way to defect attention.

287 Cartman  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:15:18pm

re: #241 Sharmuta

To paraphrase something that Rush hammers home, all the time:

"If sticking it to the guy or gal who has more than you by punishing them with higher taxes makes you "feel good", then by all means have at it. But at the end of the day, how has that made YOUR life one tiny bit better?"

288 Maximu§  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:16:13pm

McCain needs to hammer away on this angle if he wants to win.

289 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:16:36pm

re: #265 Sharmuta

Basic economics.

Get him this book about "Basic Economics".

290 itellu3times  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:17:07pm

re: #230 spirochete

Anyone see what the DOW futures ans Asian markets r doing?

Dow futures mixed to flat.

291 Egfrow  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:17:16pm

The new primary target's to start recovering the nations Conservative principles is to go after Laywers's and Journalistic integrity. The MSM and trip and fall Lawyers have done allot of damage.

292 realwest  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:17:35pm

re: #272 ggt
Done. Remember to please delete my name from the e-mail if you forward it!

293 Syrah  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:17:56pm

re: #252 neocon hippie

How did you explain it? Sounds like an angle possibly worth pursuing with some folks.

The question is what is the most rational way to live in a world governed by that Rubric.

The Socratic method is the best. Ask questions of your opposite keeping in mind that you are trying to guide them to a conclusion. Do Not offer the explanation. Let them come to it on their own. This is the difficult part. If they do not come to it on their own, they will not quite believe you. The Socratic method is the best, even if it is the most difficult.

In a a world where your sustenance is provided to you by what you can demonstrate to be your need, and where you are required to work to your ability, your best bet is to be a very good beggar and a very poor worker. Maximum reward for the minimum effort.

294 ggt  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:18:10pm

re: #289 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

excellent book --I don't think it's in the spin-offs. would you put it there?

295 Van Helsing  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:18:15pm

re: #271 Egfrow

Thanks to the Department of Education and the NEA. I didn't have time to homeschool my kids but I did have time to listen to them and look over what they were being taught.

I had some, er, spirited discussions with some of their teachers. Especially one open borders nitwit.

296 ggt  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:18:24pm

re: #292 realwest

always

297 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:18:56pm

re: #270 Syrah

I don't think you're too far off the mark, to be honest with you.

re: #284 Researcher...MO

I've done what I can to be beneficial to my company and our industry is growing because of technology. We can provide a service that allows other companies to save on infrastructure costs, so I feel my company will make it through okay. But that doesn't mean they wont cut dead wood. I just hope that I'm valued enough. Two day ago, one of our clients complained about something, and my boss and I disagreed about the source of our clients complaint. Turned out that I was correct. I hope that means my boss sees me as an asset and not a threat.

298 itellu3times  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:18:57pm

Listening to McCain and Palin on Hannity, they're talking about Obama and Biden. They are giving no positive reasons for their own election, Hannity isn't leading them that way.

299 ggt  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:19:24pm

re: #293 Syrah

I love the Socratic Method. Let's people think for themselves.

300 Researcher...MO  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:19:51pm

re: #289 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I'll have a look :) But I do think I made thim think, at least, about his loyalty to O. He was so uninformed that he thought Bill Ayers was "Ron" Ayers, and that O had once attended a party at his house. That was ALL he knew about the Ayers issue. I was floored. So was he 10 minutes later, after a brief education on Annenberg, and Woods, and so on :))

301 Van Helsing  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:19:55pm

re: #286 ggt

Hey Syrah, can you send me that Game Theory?

In Liberal Fascism, the author explained how the Russians worked hard to separate themselves from Hitler and Fascism. As a result, the communists hate fascists. IMHO there isn't enough of a difference to shake a stick at.

So, as the Communists have taken over education in this country, they are sure to teach all the bad things about Fascism, but none of the truth about communism. Nice way to defect attention.

It's a differentiation without a difference

302 woodsman  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:20:34pm

re: #171 nightintheruts

The problem is...
this guy goes beyond socialism. (...snip)
This isn't Kerry, or Mondale, or Carter.
They were just your average misguided democrats that we could have lived with and made fun of.
This guy is from a territory we've never dealt with before...blockquote>

About this time four years ago I remember being upset because I believed the BS that the MSM was dishing out and that John Kerry was going to win the election.

Remember it all -- The polls said Kerry'd win, the pundits said he won the debates, emails from biased network execs were leaked, the swift boaters were liars and Dan Rather was still at CBS making (instead of breaking) news. -- It was infuriating. THEN BUSH WON.

Today, it is plain to see that the MSM are actively manipulating the news on Obama's behalf, squashing, twisting or white-washing the negative, asking leading questions in polls that are poorly weighted, hosting debates with biased moderators and not doing any real due dilligence on him. But at least we are fully aware of it now and so -- I hope -- is the great silent majority of this country.

SO have faith. Keep doing what you're doing. Was Bush less popular 4 years ago than McCain is now. Will McCain get the middle -- the independents and Regan Dems? I think he will.

Don't let the MSM get you down. I know it's frustrating but there are a lot of people out there like most of us, listening, learning and realizing "that one" is left of Gore, Kerry and Carter. That one is dangerous. And we'll come out in force to vote against him.

303 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:21:44pm

re: #294 ggt

excellent book --I don't think it's in the spin-offs. would you put it there?

Yep, I'll title it "What the Democrats don't Understand".

304 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:22:08pm

re: #295 Van Helsing

Thanks to the Department of Education and the NEA. I didn't have time to homeschool my kids but I did have time to listen to them and look over what they were being taught.

I had some, er, spirited discussions with some of their teachers. Especially one open borders nitwit.

The schools in Texas seem to be ok.Now my oldist son went to Washington State,,so I asked him to send me some of the collage work he was haveing to do....PURE SOCIALISUM. Had his ass back in Texas the next year.

305 Researcher...MO  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:22:13pm

re: #297 Sharmuta

I wish you the best on that, I'll say a little prayer! Nothing like having a boss feel threatened to jeopardize employment. I am grateful that I get along well with my boss, and since I report directly to an owner, she doesn't have a need to feel threatened.

306 itellu3times  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:22:18pm

re: #286 ggt

So, as the Communists have taken over education in this country, they are sure to teach all the bad things about Fascism, but none of the truth about communism. Nice way to def(l)ect attention.

Oceana has always been at war with Eastasia.

307 nigella  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:22:31pm

ggt and Sarah, I agree the Socratic Method is a phenomenal theory. Unfortunately we are now suffering under the Dhimmicratic Method........Let Government think for you!

308 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:22:57pm

re: #200 Syrah

Obama is a True Believer, an Evangelist for the God-state.


Brakes first commandment.

309 Cartman  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:23:08pm

re: #291 Egfrow

We have several esteemed LGFers here who are honorable attorneys. Please refrain from making such sweeping generalizations in the future.

310 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:23:13pm

re: #300 Researcher...MO

Ever go to the Horny Toad?

311 ggt  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:23:47pm

re: #303 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Not just democrats. I've been slowing getting thru that book. Economics is so d@mned simple--it's hard to understand. Once I think I comprehend something, I don't.

I do better when I remember that money is really a representation of resources and like water when it is not moving it can be a big problem.

312 Marvo76  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:23:56pm

re: #302 woodsman

I won't give up just yet LOL...

313 JohnAdams  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:23:56pm

re: #306 itellu3times

Oceana has always been at war with Eastasia.

The writings of George Orwell should be at the tip of the pens of all GOP speechwriters today.

314 realwest  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:24:09pm

re: #277 Cartman Got it and replied back my friend.

315 Suzette  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:24:09pm

re: #178 Walter L. Newton

Some of that is true and except for Islam there is a lot of anger there. Very real and pent up anger. It boggles my mind that this man has been brought up on these teachings.
Of the others you mention they think that they only have the key to heaven.
/plus all of those that you mention are not running POTUS.

316 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:24:32pm

re: #310 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Um, that's a restaurant/bar on the lake, not some kinky place, for those who might be wondering.

317 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:25:50pm

re: #305 Researcher...MO

He shouldn't feel threatened by me- he has years more experience than I. I would hope he'd want to keep the smarter people with a good sense of the details our clients need and want.

The up side is that while he disagreed at what I thought the problem was, I said "okay, give them a call, but this might be what they're talking about." He came to find I was correct and the client has since given us better information on what they want because while going over this issue, he and I found inconsistencies. So I hope the owners would think it was all around a good thing.

318 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:26:03pm

re: #311 ggt

Not just democrats. I've been slowing getting thru that book. Economics is so d@mned simple--it's hard to understand. Once I think I comprehend something, I don't.

I do better when I remember that money is really a representation of resources and like water when it is not moving it can be a big problem.

Actually, I meant the dimocrats in DC, the ones who supposed to understand.

319 Egfrow  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:26:05pm

re: #295 Van Helsing

Thanks to the Department of Education and the NEA. I didn't have time to homeschool my kids but I did have time to listen to them and look over what they were being taught.

I had some, er, spirited discussions with some of their teachers. Especially one open borders nitwit.

Thank God there are parents who know the difference. It give me comfort to know people like you are out there not afraid to stand up to this nonsense.

320 Researcher...MO  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:26:16pm

re: #310 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

LOL! Not anymore! Too much has changed since the old Toad, and we just had one bad experience too many last year, and haven't been back since. Most locals avoid the place. We go to Shady Gators, or Frankie & Louie's.

321 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:26:35pm

re: #293 Syrah

Thanks, Syrah. I will attempt this approach.

322 realwest  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:27:26pm

re: #280 nigella
Hi nigella - IIRC (and I'm pretty damn sure I'm right) the "Rev." Wright had all of his sermons either videotaped or put on DVD and sold them to his "flock".
Be a long and dreary (or BP raising) exercise but you might be able to find a set.
Wright married Barry and Michelle, and baptized each of their children when each child was old enough.
Does Obama really expect us to believe he'd use a preacher or minister to do that, attend his church for 20 years and NOT KNOW HOW "REV" Wright feels?!

323 Researcher...MO  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:28:20pm

On the flip side, HT does employ alot of people, and the tourists all go there. Our North cam has the Toad in the picture, Gators too..

324 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:28:59pm

re: #322 realwest

He dosent expect it,,he demands it.

325 Wishing  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:29:42pm

Someone correct me if I am wrong: Didnt Hitler steal the *election* then remove anyone who would oppose him, once he had control of the *party*? Shouldnt Hillary be concerned?
I know the rest of us are LOL

326 SeafoodGumbo  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:30:13pm

re: #254 jwb7605

In that case, I'd be really really cautious.

Corsi was saying that he has documentary proof -- printed emails. I don't know how he can verify that these really came from Obama. Maybe they did, but how do you prove that what's on a page actually was an email; how do you prove that even if it was an email that it came from Obama and wasn't spoofed; how do you prove all this without naming sources?

Maybe he will be naming his source(s), but he didn't today. He just said something about people close to Odinga.

I hope that I'm wrong and that he does have verifiable facts because his allegations are nothing short of enormous -- Obama was giving political advice on how to organize politically to a relative who signed a deal with Muslims to enforce sharia law, and who instigated riots after he lost the election. The riots ended in many killed and hundreds of Christian churches burned. Supposedly, Obama didn't encourage these actions, but Obama was still giving advice on other political matters to Odinga after all of this evil had been committed.

I'm not religious, but Obama pure f'ing EVIL.

I hope Corsi can prove his allegations, but I don't think he will be able to present an airtight case.

327 Egfrow  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:30:24pm

re: #325 Wishing

Someone correct me if I am wrong: Didnt Hitler steal the *election* then remove anyone who would oppose him, once he had control of the *party*? Shouldnt Hillary be concerned?
I know the rest of us are LOL

That's how Obama won his Senate Seat.

328 zombie  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:30:28pm

Just watched the 1000 Sundays video.

Great Jehosephat, how devastating! If some group had a few hundred million bucks to spare and put that as an ad on TV round the clock, McCain would win in a landslide. Just on this one issue, this one three-minute video.

But alas, 'twill not be.

329 realwest  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:30:36pm

re: #298 itellu3times
Uh, I don't listen to Hannity, but I'm not really surprised by that; it's almost always been the VP candidates who talk up their POTUS candiate and attack the other sides candidate.
Did you say something that I just totally missed here?!

330 nigella  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:30:56pm

Hi realwest. I agree. I can't help but think that Hillary might want to release some of these "videos", anonymously, of course.Don't think if Obama wins she will have much of a chance for POTUS, later. Just saying........

331 JohnAdams  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:31:02pm

re: #322 realwest

Hi nigella - IIRC (and I'm pretty damn sure I'm right) the "Rev." Wright had all of his sermons either videotaped or put on DVD and sold them to his "flock".
Be a long and dreary (or BP raising) exercise but you might be able to find a set.
Wright married Barry and Michelle, and baptized each of their children when each child was old enough.
Does Obama really expect us to believe he'd use a preacher or minister to do that, attend his church for 20 years and NOT KNOW HOW "REV" Wright feels?!

If you follow his arguments, we end up laying a yoke of guilt on ALL human beings.
Because every society still existing on Earth is there because it displaced some other society.
Shit, you could condemn the entire human race, because we displaced Cro-Magnon man.
Let's face facts: Liberals are at war with reality itself.

332 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:31:04pm

re: #320 Researcher...MO

LOL! Not anymore! Too much has changed since the old Toad, and we just had one bad experience too many last year, and haven't been back since. Most locals avoid the place. We go to Shady Gators, or Frankie & Louie's.

I go there for concerts- We've seen Styx, REO Speedwagon, Night Ranger, Randy Travis (She made me go to that), America, Grand Funk RR, etc. And it only seats about 400 outside where they play.

333 itellu3times  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:31:19pm

re: #313 JohnAdams

Oceania, pimf.

334 Van Helsing  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:31:31pm

re: #319 Egfrow

Thank you. The last part of the exchange was me saying, "I go along with no borders when you agree to accept no government services".

And listening to Ayers and the moron that introduced him (Bush/Cheney have shredded the Constitution... Ohhhhh what I could do with dumbass statement, i.e., you're not in prison, are you?) has left me burned out.

Have a good night folks, and try to avoid despair.

335 Asher Abrams  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:31:41pm

re: #293 Syrah

Excellent suggestion.

336 Wishing  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:32:13pm

re: #327 Egfrow

That's how Obama won his Senate Seat.

Eg, do you have any info to back that up? I am SURE he stole it from Hillary...no wonder the PUMAs are so pissed off.

337 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:32:21pm

re: #315 Suzette

Some of that is true and except for Islam there is a lot of anger there. Very real and pent up anger. It boggles my mind that this man has been brought up on these teachings.
Of the others you mention they think that they only have the key to heaven.
/plus all of those that you mention are not running POTUS.

My comment was only in reference to groups that think other groups will be "damned" in some why or another. Exclusivity sects are not that uncommon, and Trinity's dogma is not that unusual (at least not to me).

Now, no, I don't agree with it, no more than I agree with most demoninations that preach exclusivity, and that goes for any flavor, Islamic sects, Christian sects or others.

My comment had nothing to do with who is running for president and what religion they hang thier hat on.

338 ggt  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:32:48pm

re: #306 itellu3times

LOL --

339 Researcher...MO  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:33:34pm

re: #332 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

We just take the boat over and sit in the water, sound isn't great and can't see much, but it only costs the gas across the channel. Whip up an adult beverage and cove out. We are 5 minutes from Toad by water, 45 by land.

340 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:34:07pm

re: #328 zombie

Just watched the 1000 Sundays video.

Great Jehosephat, how devastating! If some group had a few hundred million bucks to spare and put that as an ad on TV round the clock, McCain would win in a landslide. Just on this one issue, this one three-minute video.

But alas, 'twill not be.

What is 1000 Sundays, zombie? Not bout Baskin-Robbins, I'll assume. And where can we see it?

341 Macker  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:34:09pm

re: #220 Palandine

Why would the Empire design a weapon that has KNEES? :)

T-shirt is right: Fail.

Now now now, the Republic had them too!

342 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:34:17pm

Nite Lizards,weet dreams,and a great video..every American should see this,and evey democrate as well.

343 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:34:27pm

re: #325 Wishing

Someone correct me if I am wrong: Didnt Hitler steal the *election* then remove anyone who would oppose him, once he had control of the *party*? Shouldnt Hillary be concerned?
I know the rest of us are LOL

That's not how hitler got the chancellorship. hitler already had control of the nazi party. A coalition was needed, and in order to stop the socialists, the conservatives allied with the nazis and agreed to make hitler chancellor to their party member being Prime Minister. hitler did kill off opponents in the nazi party, but it's not as you suggest.

344 Inquisitive  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:34:41pm

re: #267 arethusa

Realwest, yours is in blue too...

Remember when the Republicans used to have the blue states on the electoral map, before 2000 changed everything? I miss those days. :-(

Yep....now we Rep. are red.....Charles could I have my name in RED until after the election

345 enik  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:34:50pm

From my daughter's 8th grade social studies class, how to determine your political preference:

War in Iraq
Option 1 - The war in Iraq was a good idea and the US should not evacuate until Iraq can self govern
Option 2 - The war was a bad idea and the US troops should be withdrawn quickly

Shopping
Op 1 - Low prices are your top priority
Op 2 - You will pay more or organic or higher wages for employees

Taxes
Op 1 - They should be increased for public school, healthcare, and roads
Op 2 - They need to be reduced so tax payers keep more of their income

...but, but if I select higher taxes then I can't afford my organic arugula...

Capitalism
Op 1 - It is best to determine who gets which goods and services based upon the ability of individuals to pay
Op 2 - The government should help provide basic services in healthcare, education, and transportation

There's more, I'm tempted to write a new list for her to take in tomorrow.

/Stuck in Blue Washington

346 ggt  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:34:52pm

re: #331 JohnAdams

They think they can "change the world" "rearrange the world"

I don't think one has to be religious to understand the 1st commandment has a political application. NO FALSE GODS.

347 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:35:31pm

re: #336 Wishing

Eg, do you have any info to back that up? I am SURE he stole it from Hillary...no wonder the PUMAs are so pissed off.

What's a "PUMA", Wishing? I've seen that used here a lot the last week or so.

348 realwest  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:35:35pm

re: #324 Oldasdirt
Well then, with no respect intended to Sen. Obama, Fuck him.

349 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:35:42pm

re: #326 SeafoodGumbo

I'm not religious, but Obama pure f'ing EVIL.

Some will say that his time in a madrassa contributes to ... something ... because the islamic religion is often a portal for shall we say ... entities ... which are best thrown out if possible.

IMHO, and perhaps.

Others could go on about this with more authority and experience than I.

Good Night All.

350 itellu3times  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:35:44pm

re: #329 realwest

Uh, I don't listen to Hannity, but I'm not really surprised by that; it's almost always been the VP candidates who talk up their POTUS candiate and attack the other sides candidate.
Did you say something that I just totally missed here?!

I'm trying not to berate the obvious.

but

In the case of Obama, there is a real need for serious criticism, not just the standard negative comments you see in any contest. That goes beyond what even the VP should be required or allowed to say - not that there's a lot more that still could be said, before turning it over to other surrogates.

OK, they're talking a bit more about "reform", but really, wtf does McCain of McCain/Feingold, really know about reform? Give us some DETAILS of what you would do in office, how voting for McCain would benefit the voter and the country.

The review of the debate last night was most boring, vapid ever, on both sides. What is going on here? It's not like we're short of crucial issues.

um

what was the question again?

/...

351 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:35:58pm

re: #347 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

What's a "PUMA", Wishing? I've seen that used here a lot the last week or so.

Hillary supporters- it stands for Party Unity My Ass.

352 Macker  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:36:10pm

re: #327 Egfrow

That's how Obama won his Senate Seat.

G*d d*mn it...why couldn't we have Senator Ditka?

353 Wishing  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:36:31pm

re: #343 Sharmuta

That's not how hitler got the chancellorship. hitler already had control of the nazi party. A coalition was needed, and in order to stop the socialists, the conservatives allied with the nazis and agreed to make hitler chancellor to their party member being Prime Minister. hitler did kill off opponents in the nazi party, but it's not as you suggest.

Ok so he seized control of the party FIRST....at what point did he kill off his opponents? Well that is a dumb question, I retract it lol

354 nigella  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:37:29pm

You know who might have a big axe to grind..... Alice Palmer. Obama ended her political career in Chicago by having a team of "researchers"throw out all her voters. This is how Obama won anything he contested for. His run for U.S. Senate was "helped" by having a team of laywers sue to open his opponents divorce papers. He was behind before that. Look, he seems to only be able to win by destroying someone else, or cheating on the vote. Nothing new that I can see with his run for POTUS.

355 realwest  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:37:30pm

re: #330 nigella
Geez, if we're counting on Hillary to save our asses, then we're in deep shit!

356 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:37:41pm

re: #161 Walter L. Newton

I live in Golden, Co. please.

You haven't met the right women, Walter. Plenty of frisky conservative chicks out there, ya know!

Ya just gotta fish in the right lake.

357 zombie  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:37:56pm

re: #340 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

What is 1000 Sundays, zombie? Not bout Baskin-Robbins, I'll assume. And where can we see it?

It's the topic of this thread!

358 Researcher...MO  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:37:59pm

re: #347 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

PUMAs are Hillary voters who adopted the slogan Party Unity My Ass, they are heavily McCain supporters.

359 The Shadow Do  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:38:27pm

The One, the Denier, will deny. The Believers will believe. He is the political equivalent of Rodney King. There is no shaking the believers' sympathy for The One.

This battle will have to be won on the ideology and that is a very uphill fight under the circumstances. Vote and hope that America remains a center right country.

Trust the People as GWB said.

360 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:40:03pm
361 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:40:04pm

re: #23 Palandine

...

And the list goes on. Voters aren't really going to elect this guy, are they?

The entire thought is chilling. That, and the threats that Obama voters are making against the rest of us, should BHO be elected. I am going to the range twice a week from here on out.

362 realwest  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:40:36pm

re: #331 JohnAdams
Na, there not "liberals" in almost any definition of that term. They are Lefties, pure and simple and a surprising number (to me) of them genuinely DO believe (not "think") that America is evil and is a force for evil whenever a Republican is in the White House.
If they were to think about it all, they'd know better, but their anger, rage and frustration is such that they can't "think" about it, it's too deeply ingrained in them.

363 pat  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:40:38pm

this Hannity interview with Palin is very good.

364 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:41:00pm

re: #339 Researcher...MO

We just take the boat over and sit in the water, sound isn't great and can't see much, but it only costs the gas across the channel. Whip up an adult beverage and cove out. We are 5 minutes from Toad by water, 45 by land.

5 minutes away? Wow, that's cool! We used to to that when I lived in Chicago 25 years ago if there was a band we liked but didn't want to pay to see, like Blue Oyster Cult, Humble Pie or Huey Lewis- Go to Poplar Creek Music Theater, pay for parking, and sit in the parking lot and listen to the concert and drink. The beer was colder and cheaper, and we could piss where we wanted.

365 Wishing  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:41:04pm

re: #347 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

What's a "PUMA", Wishing? I've seen that used here a lot the last week or so.

PUMA is an acronym for PARTY UNITY MY ASS...disenfranchised Hillary people. After watching the video at We Will Not Be Silenced, I can sure understand their rage. Basically Obama's strong arm guys swarmed the caucuses. Quite ugly. Serious fraud. Hillary did have the win, but fraud put the Zero in. Sad commentary on the whole thing, really

366 SeafoodGumbo  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:41:12pm

re: #328 zombie

Just watched the 1000 Sundays video.

Great Jehosephat, how devastating! If some group had a few hundred million bucks to spare and put that as an ad on TV round the clock, McCain would win in a landslide. Just on this one issue, this one three-minute video.

But alas, 'twill not be.

How I wish our side had a "Soros" to throw bazillions at promoting our issues.
The left used to get so crazed over Richard Mellon Scaife in the 90's, but he's a piker compared to Soros and these ginormous foundations that are working 25 hours a day to undermine this country.

The election should not happen without every voter having seen that video at least once. A guy can dream, can't he.

367 nigella  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:41:19pm

realwest, don't get me wrong I'm not counting on Hillary for anything. Just saying there is so much out there on Obama,and I can't see Hillary letting it get too close to Obama winning. She has to know this is her last chance.

368 Wishing  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:41:52pm

re: #360 Sharmuta

Night of the Long Knives

Thanks Sharmuta!

369 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:41:59pm

re: #356 Intrepid

You haven't met the right women, Walter. Plenty of frisky conservative chicks out there, ya know! Ya just gotta fish in the right lake.

Ok, you convinced me. Names and phone numbers please LOL :)

370 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:43:51pm

re: #351 Sharmuta

Hillary supporters- it stands for Party Unity My Ass.

So those are Hillary supporters voting for John McCain?

371 realwest  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:43:52pm

re: #267 arethusa
Huh - well one can't tell what one's own nic looks like cause it always comes up green when you look at it!
One of Charles many great changes.

372 Syrah  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:44:00pm

re: #286 ggt

Hey Syrah, can you send me that Game Theory?

In Liberal Fascism, the author explained how the Russians worked hard to separate themselves from Hitler and Fascism. As a result, the communists hate fascists. IMHO there isn't enough of a difference to shake a stick at.

So, as the Communists have taken over education in this country, they are sure to teach all the bad things about Fascism, but none of the truth about communism. Nice way to defect attention.

I wish I could send that game theory too you, but that is not how it works.

Game theory is about looking at a set of rules for a situation and figuring out what is the most advantageous way to play with the rules that you are given.

It is something that you have to think about and apply to what ever situation you are considering.

For the rubric of "From each according to his abilities and to each according to his needs." Ayn Rand works out a good explanation for this works out in "Atlas Shrugged". It would be far to much to try to post here. See the parts bearing on the Twentieth Century Motor Company and The Plan that the new heirs/owners implemented when they took over the company.

Ayn Rand is good on many points, but if you are willing to read her work, you must keep in mind that she is trying to sell a weltanschauung. Read it with caution.

373 Researcher...MO  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:44:17pm

re: #364 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

It is pretty cool, since Gators is also in that cove, used to be Bayou Bills. We hop over there often, and we frequently use out little telescope to watch the people out on the decks of Gators. Can't see Toad anymore, since they built a hotel, although we can most definitely see THAT, too much light pollution for us, but nothing we can do about it.

374 Cartman  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:44:48pm

re: #361 rawmuse

And they are making threats. James Carville implied as much last night after the debate.

375 itellu3times  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:44:57pm

McClellan Oscillator looks awful today. Look for market disaster tomorrow or probably Friday. Buy Friday afternoon, if you can, is my advice, and worth what you paid for it.

376 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:45:40pm

I was out a number of weeks ago with a friend of mine, when the bartender thought he'd tell a funny joke:

"What's the difference between hitler and Bush? hitler was elected."

Hahahaha- NOT! So I told the guy, "you do realize that hitler was appointed the chancellor?"

He said he didn't- which was obvious from his "joke". Sad- no one remembers history, or perhaps they weren't even taught it.

377 Researcher...MO  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:45:48pm

re: #370 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Alot of them are going with McCain if what I've seen on some of their sites is accurate. And the pick of Palin hasn't bothered them at all, has even energized some of them! They are looking for a Hillary run in 2012, and they are NOT voting for O

378 politicalinsomniac  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:46:34pm

re: #62 Ringo the Gringo

Obama is either a liar or an idiot.

....And I don't think he's an idiot.

I agree.

379 Scion9  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:46:59pm

re: #231 Syrah

Commies are very easy to hate.

I tried to explain the game theory behind "From each according to his ability and to each according to his need" to someone today. It is not easy, but once they get it, you can see the light go on behind their eyes.

Attack them at their foundation. It is where they are the weakest.

I don't remember the name of it off the top of my head, but there is a decent book by I believe, a Republican Senator that is a Cuban Exile. It's sort of a biography telling his story fleeing Cuba, but it also sinks its teeth into Communism on an ideological level too. I'll have to dig around for it to post I link at some point.

One of his main thrusts about Communist rulership is, that even in comparison to the worst thug, totalitarian dictators, Communists wind up being even more inhumane despite their alleged commitment to ideals of equality.

That Communist philosophy demands a complicit moral and philosophical collective, and Communist government don't just care how you conduct yourself in service to the State like most authoritarians, but they are deeply concerned about what you are thinking.

To me, that has always been the most insidious and vile thing about the ideology. The elimination of those who disagree with what the moral authority dictates, and the atmosphere of paranoia and fear that it breeds. Authoritarians want to make you their slave; Communism requires that you love it as well.

380 realwest  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:47:54pm

re: #351 Sharmuta
Hi Sharm. You know, I've been of the same mind as you are regarding the PUMAS but I'm begining to doubt their numbers - otherwise why would the polls would be tilting so strongly to Obama (I mean other than the pollster's bias!)? I'd have to think that PUMA's get polled too - especially as how Obama has made - or rather his campaign has made - some deliberte moves to "win them over". Wonder, as I said, how many there really are who will vote for McCain or just "sit out" the election?

381 JohnAdams  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:47:59pm

re: #362 realwest

Na, there not "liberals" in almost any definition of that term. They are Lefties, pure and simple and a surprising number (to me) of them genuinely DO believe (not "think") that America is evil and is a force for evil whenever a Republican is in the White House.
If they were to think about it all, they'd know better, but their anger, rage and frustration is such that they can't "think" about it, it's too deeply ingrained in them.

realwest, my point is that when you try to unravel their arguments it becomes a game of wiping blood off your hands. Well sure, anybody alive on this planet is here because the society in which they live survived.

Forget about trying to alter that basic fact. Liberals cannot even make it conscionable.

382 pat  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:48:09pm

re: #376 Sharmuta

Now that was cool.

383 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:48:55pm

re: #352 Macker

G*d d*mn it...why couldn't we have Senator Ditka?

I'm hoping either former GOP Govs. Edgar or Thompson will run against Little Dick Durbin in 2010. They were both really popular and would beat Little Dick like a drum.

384 Researcher...MO  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:49:38pm

re: #380 realwest

There are plenty of them that are stating they will indeed sit it out, but yes, the poll numbers would seem to bear out that their number may be overestimated.

385 politicalinsomniac  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:50:01pm

re: #374 Cartman

And they are making threats. James Carville implied as much last night after the debate.

Speaking of Carville, Hillary and Bill have been awfully quiet lately, haven't they?

Or am I just not paying close enough attention

386 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:50:21pm

re: #380 realwest

5-7 Million Hillary Supporters Now Back McCain

One organization – PUMA, which stands for Party Unity My Ass – has more than 5 million members across the country

387 Wishing  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:50:37pm

re: #380 realwest

Hi Sharm. You know, I've been of the same mind as you are regarding the PUMAS but I'm begining to doubt their numbers - otherwise why would the polls would be tilting so strongly to Obama (I mean other than the pollster's bias!)? I'd have to think that PUMA's get polled too - especially as how Obama has made - or rather his campaign has made - some deliberte moves to "win them over". Wonder, as I said, how many there really are who will vote for McCain or just "sit out" the election?

You can doubt their numbers, but please dont doubt their impact. Bill Clinton is head PUMA per their site.

388 realwest  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:51:40pm

re: #361 rawmuse
Hi rawmuse! Um what threats are the Obama campaigners making against us?

389 RedWhiteAndJew  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:51:42pm

It's amazing to me. Even when I speak to my conservative friends, they look at me like I have a third eye when I tell them I am convinced that O Hussein B is an racist and anti-Semite. They are so conditioned to keep those issues off the table when it comes to Hussein, and I think it's because they themselves do not want to appear as racists. They will freely talk about Hussein's lack of understanding of basic economics, or his ignorance of history. But when race comes up, they become very guarded and mealy mouthed.

It frustrates the hell out of me. The man hides himself very well, but the trail of associations makes it clear that he is at least comfortable not only rubbing shoulders with racists and anti-Semites, but getting spiritual guidance from one such bigot for 20 years, and hiring many of his staff and bodyguard detail from another.

I really shouldn't be too surprised, though: Robert "Sheets" Byrd.

/I'll never understand why my people vote for the donks in droves...

390 JacksonTn  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:51:49pm

Obama attends a meeting of only 300 people Democratic Socialists and is speaking on a panel of only 5 people in 1996 .......... how can he say he is not a socialist?

A Town Meeting on Economic Insecurity:

Employment and Survival in Urban America

By Bob Roman

Over three hundred people attended the first of two Town Meetings on Economic Insecurity on February 25 in Ida Noyes Hall at the University of Chicago. Entitled "Employment and Survival in Urban America", the meeting was sponsored by the UofC DSA Youth Section, Chicago DSA and University Democrats. The panelists were Toni Preckwinkle, Alderman of Chicago's 4th Ward; Barack Obama, candidate for the 13th Illinois Senate District; Professor William Julius Wilson, Center for the Study of Urban Inequality at the University of Chicago; Professor Michael Dawson, University of Chicago; and Professor Joseph Schwartz, Temple University and a member of DSA's National Political Committee.

[Link: web.archive.org...]

391 krycek  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:51:57pm

Has anyone else noticed an undercurrent of intimidation that has begun? I'm talking...."if Obama doesn't win there will be big trouble". It's despicable!

392 Syrah  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:52:11pm

re: #308 Ojoe

Brakes first commandment.

I fear that I may have confused you. Obama is not an evangelist for Christ.

Obama is an evangelist of the God-State. The first commandment of the God-state is to serve it. Obama said, and I believe he meant it from the bottom of his heart, that he will ask for our service (to the state, in the name of The Community"). The man means it. He is not kidding.

393 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:52:31pm

re: #357 zombie

It's the topic of this thread!

Shit, LOL. FYI, I did start drinking!

394 Wishing  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:52:45pm

re: #385 politicalinsomniac

Speaking of Carville, Hillary and Bill have been awfully quiet lately, haven't they?

Or am I just not paying close enough attention

To be honest, I cannot figure out WHY Hillary hasnt spoken up about the voter fraud in her own party by the Obamatons. I had figured her for a true American. I am disappointed I guess.
But...She is gonna run for House Majority Leader

395 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:52:48pm

WOW!
Email this to everyone. It will probably go missing from youtube soon. I can't find the Lady Forrester de Rothschild gutting wolf blitzer video anymore and it has been 'deleted' from my favorites page along with about 25 others.

Evening or early morning you all.

396 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 9:53:36pm