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Open | Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 9:58:48 pm PDT

So, nat’ralists observe, a flea
Hath smaller fleas that on him prey,
And these have smaller still to bite ’em
And so proceed ad infinitum.

Jonathan Swift

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1 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:00:28pm

I don't think fleas actually bite each other.

2 stuiec  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:01:17pm

But a mite might.

3 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:01:55pm

re: #2 stuiec

But a mite might.

Yes, it mite.

4 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:02:13pm

And in the other direction:

"I know an old lady who swallowed a fly..."

5 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:02:28pm

I hate fleas. Regardless of which level they're on.

6 stuiec  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:02:39pm

A flea and a fly flew up in a flue.
Said the flea, "Let us fly!"
Said the fly, " Let us flee!"
So they flew through a flaw in the flue.

7 RedWhiteAndJew  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:03:01pm

It's fleas, all the way down...

8 stuiec  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:03:32pm

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

Yes, it mite.

Though according to the Pope, it miter mite nought.

9 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:04:05pm

re: #8 stuiec

Though according to the Pope, it miter mite nought.

[chuckle]

10 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:04:21pm

re: #7 RedWhiteAndJew

It's fleas, all the way down...

Let's put a giant flea collar on the world.

11 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:04:25pm

Why I think we'll win- because some people actually are waking up to the democrats and their hypocrisy- we have proof right here on LGF:

248 scoutt 10/07/2008 4:30:48

Yikes! I never in a million years thought I'd be eagerly reading conservative blogs. I'm not an official PUMA but I am one of those that has seen the mask fall off of the "progressive" face and what I see is disgusting. I'm one of the many disillusioned that has fallen into depression and completely confused about what I thought I knew...good guys/bad guys. And like many of us "racist" Obama doubters, I can no longer talk to my friends. The dishonesty and hatred that comes out of their mouths (and those fricken' email chains!) is damaging our relationships. One friend won't even speak to me anymore. I'm still wandering the desert but I feel better over here than over there for the moment. I despise what Obama and his mob represent and the way that they have behaved. I am ashamed of my former party. I can't imagine that anything good could come out of his possible presidency. But then I can't believe he's gotten this far....
Thanks for letting me join in.

12 itellu3times  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:04:42pm

Candy is dandy
But liquor is quicker.
/ogden nash

13 asher abrams  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:05:06pm

re: #11 Sharmuta

Yay!

14 SurferDoc  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:05:10pm

Flee!

15 mcmeador  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:05:35pm

Ooo, I'm gonna ask in here too since this thread is new and will probably be more active than the rest. Does anyone know what it takes to get a personal blog listed on the site's blogroll?

16 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:06:05pm

re: #12 itellu3times

I believe that ditty was titled "On Ice-breaking".

17 itellu3times  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:06:16pm

Dow chart. Awful. This is not the bottom.

18 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:06:32pm

Writing of fleas, has anyone else notice that 'frontline' doesn't seem to work against them anymore?
Wish mama winger were on here tonight.

19 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:06:52pm

re: #15 mcmeador

It takes Charles' great respect. Nothing more, nothing less. And you must earn it with your blood, sweat, and tears.

Good luck.

20 RedWhiteAndJew  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:07:18pm
Candy is dandy
But liquor is quicker.
/ogden nash

He who is fond of drinking hair tonic,
Would do well to follow his libations with a depilatory chaser.
/unknown

21 asher abrams  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:07:35pm

re: #12 itellu3times

Candy is dandy
but if you lick 'er it's quicker

/tongue in cheek version

22 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:07:40pm

re: #18 newsjunkie_ky

Frontline still works fine for my parents' dog.

23 mcmeador  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:07:51pm

re: #19 victor_yugo

Haha, ok. Thanks!

24 stuiec  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:08:04pm

re: #11 Sharmuta

I guess the Progressives should have been more patient in moving the Democrat party leftward off the cliff. Some of the folks they relied on to be good little lemmings are looking over the edge and saying, "No way!"

25 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:08:46pm

re: #21 asher abrams

Candy is dandy
but lickin' 'er's a quickener.

26 stuiec  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:08:56pm

re: #18 newsjunkie_ky

Writing of fleas, has anyone else notice that 'frontline' doesn't seem to work against them anymore?
Wish mama winger were on here tonight.

Try a Bill Moyers special. If anything on PBS is guaranteed to repel critters of all species, that oughta do it.

27 itellu3times  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:09:37pm

I thought my nose was bloody
But it'snot.
/anon

28 asher abrams  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:09:44pm

re: #24 stuiec

I remember from my Green Party days, the "strategy" was to push the Democrats to the left. Looks like it worked.

29 RedWhiteAndJew  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:10:05pm
Try a Bill Moyers special. If anything on PBS is guaranteed to repel critters of all species, that oughta do it.

Hm. Repel a flea with a tick. Who woulda thunk.

30 Cartman  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:10:25pm

re: #17 itellu3times

Dow chart. Awful. This is not the bottom.

Should I jump out of a window now, or wait a few days?

/

31 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:10:39pm

re: #22 victor_yugo

Frontline still works fine for my parents' dog.


Here in Lexington, we've had a real problem this summer. I think that is what started my Meggie on her downward spiral. Vet then had me give her Capstar pills to kill fleas within an hour. This resulted in bad things happening to my little furgirl resulting in congestive heart failure and her passing.
Vet said fleas were becoming immune to Frontline.

32 William  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:10:47pm

This CNN "Fact Check" is clear evidence of how the media is in the tank for Obama:

[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

CNN outright lied here.

33 itellu3times  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:11:06pm

re: #30 Cartman

Should I jump out of a window now, or wait a few days?

/

Don't let them land on you, anyway.

34 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:11:33pm

imagine, if you will, a flea, unlike any other. bred to exist with an unusual host, evolved to survive on the bitterest of bloods, in the harshest of environments. Ladies & Gentlemen, you are about to enter the Ctenocephalide obama zone................

/Advantage required

35 tommoon  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:12:04pm

This made me so a mad. I haven't been able to think straight. So this sheriff decides what laws and warrants he obeys. Chicago good luck, not one penny to help you in the financial mess. Which, by the way you helped create. So I guess we can just kiss off 2 trillion dollars.

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

36 jcw46  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:12:21pm

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

I don't think fleas actually bite each other.


they might have mites?

37 William  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:12:36pm

re: #17 itellu3times

Dow chart. Awful. This is not the bottom.

The bottom? This circus is unfortunately just getting started. AIG asked for another $40 Billion today.

38 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:12:37pm

re: #2 stuiec

But a mite might.

But would a mite bug wood bugs?

39 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:12:41pm

re: #24 stuiec

I guess the Progressives should have been more patient in moving the Democrat party leftward off the cliff. Some of the folks they relied on to be good little lemmings are looking over the edge and saying, "No way!"

I think the blatant hypocrisy concerning Sarah Palin might be waking some people up as well. When I left the democrat side of the fence it was because of feminist hypocrisy- I believe their are others out there like me who will "get it" once they see it, much like I did.

40 Wishing  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:12:44pm

Gnite, lizards. Thanks again, Sharm.

41 stuiec  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:13:15pm

re: #25 victor_yugo

Candy is dandy
but lickin' 'er's a quickener.

Two Texans were on a trip to New York and stopped in a delicatessen for lunch. One of them noticed a woman at the next table, blue in the face and clearly choking.

The two Texans leapt from their seats. One grabbed the woman and hauled her up onto the table on all fours. The other pulled up her skirt, pulled down her panties, and licked each of the cheeks of her tush.

Of course, the woman was so shocked that she let out a scream, sending the plug of food that had been choking her flying across the room.

As she let out a torrent of swear words, one Texan turned to the other and said, "That Hind-Lick maneuver sure works swell, don't it?"

42 Syrah  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:13:19pm

Hmmm.

So I would take it from the header that this is an infinite regression thread.

See. I keep telling all of you folks that its Turtles, Turtles all the way down, and now I have confirmation!

You must believe me now.

43 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:13:29pm

re: #21 asher abrams

Candy is dandy
but if you lick 'er it's quicker

/tongue in cheek version

SMACK!

44 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:13:31pm

re: #18 newsjunkie_ky

Writing of fleas, has anyone else notice that 'frontline' doesn't seem to work against them anymore?
Wish mama winger were on here tonight.

we use advantage..... dogs or cats, and where are you (generally)?

45 stuiec  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:14:22pm

re: #38 Alberta Oil Peon

But would a mite bug wood bugs?

Not without a FISA court warrant.

46 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:15:12pm

re: #18 newsjunkie_ky

Writing of fleas, has anyone else notice that 'frontline' doesn't seem to work against them anymore?
Wish mama winger were on here tonight.

My sister has had big problems with her two cats and Frontline - they had to flea bomb their house, even though they'd applied Frontline as was prescribed.

Not such an issue with dogs, I've noticed.

47 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:15:38pm

re: #44 redc1c4

we use advantage..... dogs or cats, and where are you (generally)?


Lexington. Are you in KY?

48 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:15:49pm

re: #38 Alberta Oil Peon

But would a mite bug wood bugs?

BANG!

49 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:15:56pm

re: #20 RedWhiteAndJew

He who is fond of drinking hair tonic,
Would do well to follow his libations with a depilatory chaser.
/unknown

I'm not sure, but that sure sounds like it was written by Archy the cockroach (ably assisted by Don Marquis).

50 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:17:01pm

re: #39 Sharmuta

I think the blatant hypocrisy concerning Sarah Palin might be waking some people up as well. When I left the democrat side of the fence it was because of feminist hypocrisy- I believe their are others out there like me who will "get it" once they see it, much like I did.

Blatant hypocrisy is right. Check out the latest Newsweek cover. At this rate, they'll show her as a vampire on Halloween.

PS: this is a repost of this article from three threads back.

51 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:17:05pm

re: #42 Syrah

Hmmm.

So I would take it from the header that this is an infinite regression thread. See. I keep telling all of you folks that its Turtles, Turtles all the way down, and now I have confirmation!
You must believe me now.

What? Step back from the keyboard. Put down the Captain Morgan's. Now, lie down, it will be ok.
/

52 Clemente  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:17:06pm
Fleas

Adam
Had'em

Ogden Nash

53 itellu3times  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:17:18pm

re: #37 William

The bottom? This circus is unfortunately just getting started. AIG asked for another $40 Billion today.

You know what lunch costs now in Orange County, CA? Sandwich, iced tea, tax and tip, $20. Next year this time, $40 Billion. What else can come of world governments tossing out $100,000,000,000 chips in every direction?

54 SurferDoc  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:17:59pm

re: #20 RedWhiteAndJew

He who is fond of drinking hair tonic,
Would do well to follow his libations with a depilatory chaser.
/unknown

Candy is, etc--That's Dorothy Parker

55 RedWhiteAndJew  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:18:08pm
When I left the democrat side of the fence it was because of feminist hypocrisy

Here here, Sharmuta. The photos of lefty dips with signs to the effect of "I vote with my brain, not my vagina" make it all too clear that the last thing these commies in chiffon want is a free-thinking, independent, strong female candidate. In contrast, conservatives have welcomed her with open arms: conservative women see her as a role model, and conservative men don't mind...um...seeing her :)

56 asher abrams  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:19:31pm

re: #52 Clemente

PALINDROMES

First words ever spoken to a woman:
"Madam, I'm Adam."

To which the lady, being a woman of few words, replied simply,
"Eve."

57 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:20:07pm

The PUMAs will be to 0bama what the Reagan Democrats were to carter.

Pray that more join the ranks!

58 stuiec  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:20:27pm

re: #39 Sharmuta

I think the blatant hypocrisy concerning Sarah Palin might be waking some people up as well. When I left the democrat side of the fence it was because of feminist hypocrisy- I believe their are others out there like me who will "get it" once they see it, much like I did.

Oh, yes indeed. It's a gradual process, though. The Progressives seem to be very good at convincing the softer-skulled that people like Clarence Thomas, George W. Bush and Sarah Palin are ignorant and stupid -- in the face of the plain fact that each of these people have out-achieved all but the tiniest handful of their fellow Americans.

On a related front, it was flabbergasting to see how self-proclaimed feminists rallied around a serial sexual harrasser and accused rapist, simply because they felt he offered some political clout for their ideology. How he avoided answering Juanita Broaderrick's charges is beyond me.

59 Syrah  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:21:17pm

re: #51 Walter L. Newton

What? Step back from the keyboard. Put down the Captain Morgan's. Now, lie down, it will be ok.
/

Rum? never touch the stuff. It makes people crazy. I drink tequila and/or wines.

Tonight it is Tequila and Tamarindo.

Don't tell me you don't see the Turtles. They are everywhere. . . .

60 pat  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:21:18pm

There is a hatred for America that now runs though it's veins. White leftists, Blacks, Mexicans, Muslims, many Asiatics, EuroTrash, all believe they are here to pick through the carcass of this country. They have been taught from birth that white Americans are the quintessential evil of the world, not only in our schools, but abroad. Many of these individuals are filled with hatred for America. One merely has to think of those around Obama who have prospered by preaching such nonsense. I think these people are close to 50% of the electorate, even if they profess otherwise.

61 Mel Lono  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:21:46pm

Trying to learn more about Pumas

Thought this was a good place to start. Still recon, but looking for opinions.

62 logboy  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:21:47pm

Man Shot 3 Times Claims He Was Gunned Down Over Pro-Obama Shirt

"Fortunately" it was in London and not here. Can you imagine the stink Osama would be making if it happened here?

63 stuiec  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:22:31pm

re: #56 asher abrams

In a few years' time, "Palindrome" will be redefined to mean an airfield for Piper Cubs.

64 asher abrams  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:23:24pm

re: #63 stuiec

heh

let's hope

65 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:23:25pm

re: #57 Sharmuta

The PUMAs will be to 0bama what the Reagan Democrats were to carter.

Pray that more join the ranks!

And if you want a peak at what they think, go here!

Main Page of the Hillary Clinton Forum

They are legion, and they are ACTIVE! Much more active and upbeat than many of us here on LGF, I'll tell ya.

When I need a "pick-me-up" in morale, I go to the PUMAs.

66 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:23:48pm

re: #47 newsjunkie_ky

Lexington. Are you in KY?

LA, CA......

SFV to be maddeningly inexact.....

have you tried spraying your yard and carpets etc with SEVIN? it's available last i looked at home & garden stores. spray once a week, at directed strength, for 3 weeks at the beginning of the season, since the cycle for fleas is ~14 days IIRC (this is more than they advise, so use at own risk) then every two weeks until the season is over. once it dries it's reasonably safe, and it definitely kills the little shits. w*rks outdoors, and on furniture where the little darlings sleep, bedding etc.

another trick is to vacuum thoroughly, and then immediately remove the bag, spray the entry opening, then bag it into the trash. this evacuates many eggs larve, etc....

red,
at least yours go away after the first freeze!

67 pat  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:24:02pm

re: #62 logboy

And the story is highly suspicious. While played up here, the London press is not buying it.

68 Boogberg  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:24:15pm

Lizards might find this documentary interesting:

Crawford

I think it's pretty good. A preacher with a Spongebob tie? Priceless! :D

69 Clemente  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:24:39pm

re: #53 itellu3times

...in every direction?

...but MINE!

/victim-snivel

70 Inquisitive  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:24:49pm

re: #18 newsjunkie_ky

Writing of fleas, has anyone else notice that 'frontline' doesn't seem to work against them anymore?
Wish mama winger were on here tonight.


Yes, I have noticed and it is what our Vet recommends even knowing that our dog is allergic to flee bites. When we first put it on it seems to do okay for week or two and then she starts itching like crazy. We have to take her in and get a shot to help and give her benadryl to help out in between.

71 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:25:18pm

re: #59 Syrah

Rum? never touch the stuff. It makes people crazy. I drink tequila and/or wines. Tonight it is Tequila and Tamarindo.
Don't tell me you don't see the Turtles. They are everywhere. . . .

No, I don't see the Turtles (it's Turtles with a capital "T," right). Ok, so you see them, and you drink tequila. Look, I'm not going to be able to sleep tonight unless you tell me what in the heck is the Turtle reference about.

72 Mel Lono  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:25:38pm

re: #65 Intrepid

I THINK I JUST GOT STINKY

73 stuiec  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:25:52pm

re: #61 Mel Lono

They're a sort of loose confederation of different groups with similar attitudes. It all got started when Howard Dean and the other Democrat Party grandees began publicly calling on Hillary Clinton to drop out of the primary race in the name of "party unity." Some guy (you can look up his name) started the "Party Unity, My Ass!" movement, and it quickly coalesced the anger of the mostly female supporters of Hillary into something like a political movement. But Hillary doesn't control it (though I am sure she wishes she did.)

74 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:26:18pm

re: #62 logboy

Man Shot 3 Times Claims He Was Gunned Down Over Pro-Obama Shirt

"Fortunately" it was in London and not here. Can you imagine the stink Osama would be making if it happened here?

impossible: guns are illegal there.

/white smoke

75 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:26:59pm

re: #35 tommoon

This made me so a mad. I haven't been able to think straight. So this sheriff decides what laws and warrants he obeys.

Truthfully, I have little problem with it. For a "law" to have teeth, all three branches of government must agree to it: the legislators to enact it, the executives to enforce it, and the judiciary to punish breaches of it. What do you think would become of a law criminalizing driving any vehicle with a Mitsubishi engine?

That doesn't mean I disagree with you on the whole Chicago corruption aspect; I'm with you all the way on that. But why punish the tenants for their landlords' malfeasance? Must prospective tenants demand their landlords' books before signing a lease? If you were a landlord, would you show a prospective tenant your books, or would you laugh at him for making such a demand?

76 Syrah  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:27:03pm

Well, actually, I must deffer to Walter's wisdom.

It is late and tomorrow is going to start too frigging early for my taste.

How I long for the long gone days of being a working artist, starting each day by rising at the crack of noon.

*sigh*

Oh well.

Good night all.

77 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:27:50pm

re: #66 redc1c4
Thanks for the info.

78 Mel Lono  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:27:51pm

re: #73 stuiec

I meet a lot of cougars, but pumas are definitely a different breed.

79 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:28:16pm

re: #72 Mel Lono

I THINK I JUST GOT STINKY

finger?

/white smoke

80 stuiec  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:28:50pm
81 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:29:04pm

re: #70 Inquisitive

Watch her closely.

82 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:29:15pm

re: #72 Mel Lono

I THINK I JUST GOT STINKY

Nah, they're ok! You just have to realize that the enemy of our enemy is our friend in this election cycle.

83 Syrah  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:29:49pm

re: #71 Walter L. Newton

The Turtles joke is something I like to put out there on the Evolution threads.

It is mostly harmless.

84 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:30:09pm

re: #78 Mel Lono

I meet a lot of cougars, but pumas are definitely a different breed.

i like cougars...... unfortunately the one that already has me is possessive.

/they tend that way. %-)

85 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:30:14pm

re: #37 William

The bottom? This circus is unfortunately just getting started. AIG asked for another $40 Billion today.

Must've been one hell of a room service bill.

86 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:30:27pm

re: #76 Syrah

Well, actually, I must deffer to Walter's wisdom.
It is late and tomorrow is going to start too frigging early for my taste. How I long for the long gone days of being a working artist, starting each day by rising at the crack of noon.*sigh*
Oh well. Good night all.

No, don't go away, not before you tell me what the frecking Turtles are about.

Come back. Ok, I'm gonna spell Turtle with a small "t," see, turtle, turtle, see... does that make you mad?

Ha, you don't see turtles. You're just making that up. Right, tell me it's a joke.

Please, don't leave before you tell me what the hell the Turtles are about.

Syrah, please............

87 spidly  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:31:54pm

re: #53 itellu3times

You know what lunch costs now in Orange County, CA? Sandwich, iced tea, tax and tip, $20. Next year this time, $40 Billion. What else can come of world governments tossing out $100,000,000,000 chips in every direction?

hyperinflation is a commie takeover favorite

88 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:31:55pm

re: #85 Badge of Kaffir Pride

Take 'em out behind the wood shed and horse whip 'em.

89 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:32:03pm

re: #86 Walter L. Newton

Don't beg, Walter. It's not a turn on at all.

heh.

90 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:32:17pm

re: #62 logboy

Man Shot 3 Times Claims He Was Gunned Down Over Pro-Obama Shirt

"Fortunately" it was in London and not here. Can you imagine the stink Osama would be making if it happened here?

Man, now that's entirely uncalled-for. Nice to see that gun control is working so well for the U.K. /

Speaking of T-shirts, or as the case may be, hoodies: I saw a teenager today wearing a hoodie with a huge "88" on the back. At least, at first glance, it looked like "88". In faux Gothic font, of course. Now, I know that "88" is code for "heil (s)hitler" amongst the neo-nazis. On closer inspection, I saw that "88" was in fact "89", with the tail of the numeral 9 almost-but-not-quite joining the upper loop to form an "8".

On the front of the hoodie, was the word "Frankshivah" or something approaching that. The gothic font was so stylized it was hard to tell. Was I looking at a real-live neo-nazi, or some kind of poseur or partisan of some band that mocks real neo-nazis?

91 tommoon  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:32:26pm

victur_yugo

OK, if the bank lends money with the house as collateral, then the owner has no responsible. to pay as long as the renter has good faith. See how many loans will now be available in Chicago.

92 Mel Lono  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:32:45pm

re: #83 Syrah

The Turtles joke is something I like to put out there on the Evolution threads.

It is mostly harmless.

Yes, but the answer to "Are You a Turtle? is not 42, it's you bet your sweet ass I am!

93 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:33:06pm

re: #88 victor_yugo

Take 'em out behind the wood shed and horse whip 'em.

How many dishes would a spa ask you to do to cover that kinda bill?

94 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:33:10pm

THE OBAMA-AYERS CONNECTION
By DICK MORRIS
In the best tradition of Bill Clinton's famous declaration that the answer to the question of whether or not he was having an affair with Monica depended on "what the definition of 'is' is," Barack Obama was clearly splitting hairs and concealing the truth when he said that William Ayers was "just a guy who lives in my neighborhood."
The records of the administration of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), released last week by the University of Illinois, show that the Ayers-Obama connection was an intimate collaboration and that it led to the only executive or administrative experience in Obama's life.
After Annenberg's foundation offered several hundred million dollars to American public schools in the mid-'90s, Ayers applied for $50 million for Chicago. The purpose of his application was to secure funds to "raise political consciousness" in Chicago's public schools. After he won the grant, Ayers's group chose Obama to distribute the money. Between 1995 and 1999, Obama distributed the $50 million and raised another $60 million from other civic groups to augment it. In doing so, he was following Ayers's admonition to grant the funds to "external" organizations, like American Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) to pair with schools and conduct programs to radicalize the students and politicize them.
Reading, math and science achievement tests counted for little in the CAC grants, but the school's success in preaching a radical political agenda determined how much money they got.
Obama should have run screaming at the sight of Ayers and his wife, Bernadette Dohrn. Ayers has admitted bombing the U.S. Capitol building and the Pentagon, and his wife was sent to prison for failing to cooperate in solving the robbery of a Brink's armored car in which two police officers were killed. Far from remorse, Ayers told The New York Times in September 2001 that he "wished he could have done more."
Ayers only avoided conviction when the evidence against him turned out to be contained in illegally obtained wiretaps by the FBI. He was, in fact, guilty as sin.
That Obama should ally himself with Ayers is almost beyond understanding. The former terrorist had not repented of his views and the education grants he got were expressly designed to further them.
So let's sum up Obama's Chicago connections. His chief financial supporter was Tony Rezko, now on his way to federal prison. His spiritual adviser and mentor was the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, of "God damn America" fame. And the guy who got him his only administrative job and put him in charge of doling out $50 million is William Ayers, a terrorist who was a domestic Osama bin Laden in his youth.
Even apart from the details of the Obama/Ayers connection, two key points emerge:
a) Obama lied and misled the American people in his description of his relationship with Ayers as casual and arm's-length; and
b) Obama was consciously guided by Ayers's radical philosophy, rooted in the teachings of leftist Saul Alinksy, in his distribution of CAC grant funds.
Since Obama is asking us to let him direct education spending by the federal government and wants us to trust his veracity, these are difficulties he will have to explain in order to get the votes to win.
We will want to know what kind of president he would make. The fact that, within the past 10 years, he participated in a radical program of political education conceptualized by an admitted radical terrorist offers no reassurance.
Why did Obama put up with Ayers? Because he got a big job and $50 million of patronage to distribute to his friends and supporters in Chicago. Why did he hang out with Rev. Wright? Because he was new in town, having grown up in Hawaii and Indonesia and having been educated at Columbia and Harvard, he needed all the local introductions he could get to jump-start his political career. Why was he close to Rezko? Because he funded Obama's campaigns and helped him buy a house for $300,000 less than its value.

95 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:33:41pm

re: #89 Intrepid

Don't beg, Walter. It's not a turn on at all. heh.

Well thank G-D for small things!

96 spidly  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:33:44pm
97 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:34:56pm

Short of some Gil Elvgren pin-ups, I think I found my latest round of brain bleach this election season.

/and surprisingly it isn't Lowrie's game-winning single from the other night.

98 pat  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:35:24pm

Yeah. These "bankers" that should be in jail are sort of happy aren't they? Bush seeks advice from Paulson andObama from Raines .

99 JacksonTn  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:36:00pm

THEY ARE COMING AND THEY ARE ORGANIZED:

Organizers are some scary dudes:

This is a very long read so search the page for Obama, Acorn, Alinsky, et al. This is a very informative piece which was intended as an instructional item. This was not written by an outsider. Search for Obama on the page. Why would they even mention him in 1996.

Just the Usual Suspects: All Socialist groups coming to get your piece of the pie.

Also search for CRA on the page - it tells how they forced lending institutions to change their underwriting criteria.

If this little evaluation does not scare the crap out of people out of voting for Obama ........ then they are already gone .......

[Link: web.archive.org...]

100 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:36:04pm

Goonight you all.

101 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:36:15pm

re: #94 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

THE OBAMA-AYERS CONNECTION
By DICK MORRIS

Have you read the comments for this? The Dhimmis don't care who he hangs around with. Frightening...

102 stuiec  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:37:17pm

re: #96 spidly

Call that a Flea?

I'll show you fleas!

103 gop_patriot  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:38:08pm

re: #62 logboy

Man Shot 3 Times Claims He Was Gunned Down Over Pro-Obama Shirt

"Fortunately" it was in London and not here. Can you imagine the stink Osama would be making if it happened here?

I'm really, really sorry that poor man was shot (with what sounds an awful lot like a b-b gun).

But a psycho racist skinhead walks up to a black man and says he hates [black people], and says he wants to kill him, and the black man thinks it's because he's wearing an Obama shirt? I'm pretty sure the almost-murdered guy could have been wearing a shirt with a picture of the Queen on it and the crazy skinhead would have done the same thing.

104 Inquisitive  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:38:24pm

re: #81 newsjunkie_ky

Watch her closely.


? for what

105 srb1976  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:38:48pm

re: #77 newsjunkie_ky

I'm sure I'm way behind the discussion by now, but I never had any luck with frontline at all, even when it was new. We tried K9 advantix this year and had great luck with it though

106 spidly  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:39:35pm

Indianapolis Has 105% Of Its Population Registered To Vote

Ron Paul!
If those guys can spam the ballot box as well do on-line polls.....

107 stuiec  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:41:15pm

re: #92 Mel Lono

Ah, for the days when the words, "You bet your sweet ass I am," were considered too gauche to be uttered in polite company.

108 nils2en  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:42:21pm

re: #101 Badge of Kaffir Pride

Yeah, but that's not the typical Dhimmis. Those are the radicals commenting. This is going to HUGE to the average (don't pay too much attention to politics) voter.....

109 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:42:30pm

re: #103 gop_patriot

I'm really, really sorry that poor man was shot (with what sounds an awful lot like a b-b gun).

But a psycho racist skinhead walks up to a black man and says he hates [black people], and says he wants to kill him, and the black man thinks it's because he's wearing an Obama shirt? I'm pretty sure the almost-murdered guy could have been wearing a shirt with a picture of the Queen on it and the crazy skinhead would have done the same thing.

I used to have a ball-bearing mouse trap, but I had the cat neutered.

110 spidly  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:42:38pm

re: #101 Badge of Kaffir Pride

Have you read the comments for this? The Dhimmis don't care who he hangs around with. Frightening...

these are the people that idolize the mass murdering secret policeman Che.
he looks so dashing on a tee

111 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:43:12pm

re: #110 spidly

these are the people that idolize the mass murdering secret policeman Che.
he looks so dashing on a tee

True that. It's still amazing that people that like survive childbirth...

112 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:43:34pm

re: #32 William

This CNN "Fact Check" is clear evidence of how the media is in the tank for Obama:

[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

CNN outright lied here.

I noticed comments have been closed for that article.

113 gmsc  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:44:24pm

re: #83 Syrah

The Turtles joke is something I like to put out there on the Evolution threads.

It is mostly harmless.

"Mostly harmless"? Are you making a DNA reference?

114 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:45:36pm

re: #91 tommoon

victur_yugo

OK, if the bank lends money with the house as collateral, then the owner has no responsible. to pay as long as the renter has good faith. See how many loans will now be available in Chicago.

Or:

The landlord loses the property in a foreclosure, the bank takes over the lease. The tenants pay their rent to the bank. When the bank finds a buyer to recover their loss in the bad mortgage, the tenants start paying rent to the new owners instead.

The original owner loses both income and credit rating. The bank makes as much recovery as they can, which may or may not match what they could do with no tenants in the property (the only wrinkle I see).

No eviction is necessary against tenants who have kept up their end of the deal.

115 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:46:02pm

BTW - this is National Breast Cancer Month, and that is why the White House was lit up pink today.

A reminder to all female lizards - lets get mammograms and ultra-sounds and keep this wolf from the door!

/public service announcement

116 Racer X  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:46:40pm

re: #106 spidly

Indianapolis Has 105% Of Its Population Registered To Vote

Ron Paul!
If those guys can spam the ballot box as well do on-line polls.....

There's now one less voter.

117 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:47:00pm

re: #110 spidly

he looks so dashing on a tee

If I see that on a tee, on my property, the wearer had better be dashing, too.

118 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:47:05pm

re: #85 Badge of Kaffir Pride

Must've been one hell of a room service bill.

be glad i wasn't there...... %-)

119 gop_patriot  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:47:12pm

re: #105 srb1976

I'm sure I'm way behind the discussion by now, but I never had any luck with frontline at all, even when it was new. We tried K9 advantix this year and had great luck with it though

We'd always used Advantage, just for fleas (no tick meds, etc.) but decided to try Frontline once on our (then) year old outside dog. It made him froth at the mouth. Vet said he was OK but we of course went back to Advantage and it worked fine, about once a year, if the fleas got too bad we'd give the indoor dog (the one who recently passed on) a Capstar but for the most part, Advantage worked just fine.

120 gop_patriot  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:49:02pm

re: #109 Alberta Oil Peon

I used to have a ball-bearing mouse trap, but I had the cat neutered.

LOL!

They went out of their way in that article to describe the gun in a manner that made it really scary sounding, didn't they?

121 srb1976  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:49:25pm

re: #119 gop_patriot

I don't know whether it's the Advantage or not but this was our first year without a major tick problem too. Expensive stuff but worth it so far

122 Mel Lono  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:49:30pm

re: #107 stuiec

Ah, for the days when the words, "You bet your sweet ass I am," were considered too gauche to be uttered in polite company.

Not in the club, then i guess.

123 realwest  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:49:59pm

re: #35 tommoon
Hi tommoon - from your link "Dart says he's concerned that many of the people being evicted are renters who were unaware that their landlords have been failing to pay their mortgages. He says his deputies have no way of knowing whether they're removing someone who has defaulted on a loan or someone who has been faithfully paying rent."
Smooth - guess what Sheriff Dart - a forclosure order is an order of a COURT. And if the Landlord in fact hasn't been paying then the COURT determines he is no longer allowed to own the building and if he doesn't own the building, the tenants have NO LAWFUL RIGHT to remain in the building because they didn't rent their apartments from whomever the new owner (buyer at foreclosure sale) is.
What a yutz.

124 Racer X  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:51:41pm

Barney Frank is a POS.

Frank: GOP Criticism of Housing Crisis is Aimed at Poor Blacks

BOSTON — Rep. Barney Frank said Monday that Republican criticism of Democrats over the nation's housing crisis is a veiled attack on the poor that's racially motivated.

The Massachusetts Democrat, chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, said the GOP is appealing to its base by blaming the country's mortgage foreclosure problem on efforts to expand affordable housing through the Community Reinvestment Act.

They get to take things out on poor people," Frank said at a mortgage foreclosure symposium in Boston. "Let's be honest: The fact that some of the poor people are black doesn't hurt them either, from their standpoint. This is an effort, I believe, to appeal to a kind of anger in people."

Frank also dismissed charges the Democrats failed on their own or blocked Republican efforts to rein in the mortgage companies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The federal government recently took control of both entities.

House Minority Leader John Boehner of Ohio called Frank's remarks "a lame, desperate attempt to divert Americans' attention away from the Democratic party's obstruction of reforms that would have reined in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and helped our nation avoid this economic crisis."

"Congressman Frank should retract his ridiculous statements and start taking responsibility for the role he and other top Democrats played in putting Main Street Americans in this mess," Boehner said.

125 realwest  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:51:49pm

And on that cheerful note, I'm outta here - got a long, early day tomorrow.
I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you down the road.


Goodnight, all.

126 tommoon  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:51:54pm

The sheriff will not serve the foreclosure notice to evict. The tenants stay and pay rent to the old owner. The bank loses all. The warrants has to be served for the bank to take into custody the property.

127 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:52:43pm

re: #123 realwest

I actually know someone who was in that situation, a friend of my wife's. She paid her rent every month, but the landlord was not paying the mortgage. She showed up one day to an eviction notice. Pretty disgusting situation.

128 rancher  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:53:00pm

I just had to reassure a coworker that the drug Burundanga has to be ingested to have a debilitating effect. She got this scare E-Mail. Why doesn't everyone who has E-Mail know about Snopes?

129 tommoon  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:54:47pm

Realwest

Thanks. You made the explanation so much simpler.

130 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:55:13pm

This is different. I found this on a personals site. It is a woman looking for another woman for...

"Hi, Am I the only woman who enjoys watching the garbage truck crush my underwear? I bet the men watch when my garbage is crushed. Is there anyone else who shares the same interest of the power that they have? Anyone ever watch as well? Will exchange pics if interested. Any real garbageman will do as well-show me the stuff before you crush it. Heather"

And just when I thought I had heard of everything...

131 Elcid  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:57:00pm
So, nat’ralists observe, a flea
Hath smaller fleas that on him prey,
And these have smaller still to bite ‘em
And so proceed ad infinitum.

Now all know why he was named.... Jonathan Swift

132 pat  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:57:03pm

re: #126 tommoon

Yep. Nonsense. Particularly since another process must be initiated to get the tenants out. It is the landlord who is served for evictions.

133 realwest  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:57:05pm

re: #126 tommoon
Hey tommoon - I really gotta get some sleep here - big appointment with radiation oncologist tomorrow, but I'm telling you that if the Sheriff doesn't serve the foreclosure notice then the sheriff is in contempt of court because the Warrant of eviction follows or is concurrent with the Warrant of Forclosure and a failure to serve those warrants is in fact a violation of court rules, orders and proceedings - and btw, in NYC, if the Sheriff is too busy, courts allow the banks to have their OWN process servers serve the orders of Foreclosure and Eviction.
Good night!

134 cg76  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:57:35pm

That stinks. Here I've been using 88 for good luck out on the track. At least in Asian culture its good luck and not nazi-fied. :(

Oh and hello, new lizard here. :)

re: #90 Alberta Oil Peon

135 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:58:26pm

re: #123 realwest

a forclosure order is an order of a COURT.

The court also needs the cooperation of both the legislative and the executive. See my comment #75 above. The legislators may pass a law, and the judges may be ready to convict, but if the executives refuse to haul anyone before the court for violating that law, then said "law" is powerless.

136 Meremortal  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:59:15pm

re: #123 realwest

Correct. The tenants in such a case are legally called "tenants at will" and may be evicted by court action if the owner wishes. The judge typically orders that the tenants be served written notice and given reasonable time to vacate, such as 30 days.

137 tommoon  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 10:59:22pm

Realwest,

Keep doing good my friend.

138 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:00:01pm

re: #120 gop_patriot

LOL!

They went out of their way in that article to describe the gun in a manner that made it really scary sounding, didn't they?

It's not clear to me if it's a BB gun, or something that shoots a larger steel ball. It evidently propels the balls with enough force to draw blood, if the story can be taken at face value. I can readily believe the poor fellow could have been blinded had one of the pellets pierced his eye.

I agree the story exaggerates the deadliness of the weapon, and may also draw the false conclusion that the perpetrator was set off by the Obama shirt, when it may have simply been a case of naked racism that needed no trigger. Also rather telling is the evident blind faith that the victim of this crime has in Obama.

As an aside, we recently had a gang-related shooting in Calgary, Alberta. A drive-by shooting, IIRC, involving handguns (heavily restricted in Canada). An innocent passer-by, a young man recently immigrated from Brazil was shot shot in the head and permanently blinded by his injuries. I saw a clip on the TV news, and he is making a remarkable recovery, with the support of his family and girlfriend. he will never regain his sight, but he is adjusting and adapting to a life without vision.

139 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:00:10pm

re: #133 realwest

Night, Realwest. Will be thinking about you tomorrow.
Check your mail.

140 Mel Lono  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:00:28pm

re: #134 cg76

That stinks. Here I've been using 88 for good luck out on the track. At least in Asian culture its good luck and not nazi-fied. :(

Oh and hello, new lizard here. :)

Serve em up
76/
Bushmills, neat. pls

141 zombie  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:00:35pm

A smell of petroleum pervades throughout!

142 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:00:48pm

re: #115 Intrepid

BTW - this is National Breast Cancer Month, and that is why the White House was lit up pink today.

A reminder to all female lizards - lets get mammograms and ultra-sounds and keep this wolf from the door!

/public service announcement

and a notice to male lizards to gently encourage (nag) your better halves into doing so on a regular basis, along with the monthly self exams.... and pap smears/ob-gyn checkups.

remember: it's cheaper to keep her!

/white smoke

143 Scion9  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:01:08pm

re: #60 pat

There is a hatred for America that now runs though it's veins. White leftists, Blacks, Mexicans, Muslims, many Asiatics, EuroTrash.

Pat, that isn't particularly constructive commentary there. I know more than a handful patriotic 'blacks and mexicans' that certainly don't hate America, even if the former are voting for Obama because of identity politics. Many latinos are socially conservative and are well aware that the problems in South and Central America have roots in Marxism and chronically corrupt leadership.

The Asian population of America is largely conservative. I recently just saw a Filipino colleague of mine retire whom had immigrated to our country as a young man and then served 26 years in the US Navy, including in wars in South East Asia.

From my anecdotal experience, the majority of Europeans here are Eastern Europeans, and are also far from being America haters. On the contrary they are probably some of our most staunchly patriotic immigrants.

I even went to college with some at least nominally Muslim Lebanese boys that I couldn't honestly describe as being haters of our country. Ones that were aghast at their country being torn to pieces by Islamists, and were glad to have a refuge from regressive barbarians.

I understand what you were saying, but the way that it was phrased was pretty over the top, and can definitely come across in a way that I doubt that you actually intended.

144 gop_patriot  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:01:18pm

re: #130 Walter L. Newton

ROFLOL! Some of the stuff I've come across while surfing the web just shocks the heck out of me. And I'm not even looking for the crazy stuff.

Teh intarwebs scares me sometimes. lol

145 nightwatch[deleted]  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:01:38pm
146 realwest  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:02:19pm

re: #135 victor_yugo
In every jurisdiction with which I'm familiar, the Sheriff falls under the Judiciary Branch of Government, NOT the Executive. City Sheriffs (or Marshalls, name depends on the jurisdiction) serve the COURTS. They may be licensed law enforcement officers but they have limited jurisdiction and they answer to the Court, not the Mayor.
GoodNIGHT!

147 pat  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:02:40pm

re: #141 zombie

A smell of petroleum pervades throughout!

That is the smell of Polar Bears dying. And the noise you hear is the wailing of Obama, The Nature God.

148 WF Bach  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:02:53pm

re: #138 Alberta Oil Peon

It's not clear to me if it's a BB gun, or something that shoots a larger steel ball. It evidently propels the balls with enough force to draw blood, if the story can be taken at face value. I can readily believe the poor fellow could have been blinded had one of the pellets pierced his eye.

I agree the story exaggerates the deadliness of the weapon, and may also draw the false conclusion that the perpetrator was set off by the Obama shirt, when it may have simply been a case of naked racism that needed no trigger. Also rather telling is the evident blind faith that the victim of this crime has in Obama.

As an aside, we recently had a gang-related shooting in Calgary, Alberta. A drive-by shooting, IIRC, involving handguns (heavily restricted in Canada). An innocent passer-by, a young man recently immigrated from Brazil was shot shot in the head and permanently blinded by his injuries. I saw a clip on the TV news, and he is making a remarkable recovery, with the support of his family and girlfriend. he will never regain his sight, but he is adjusting and adapting to a life without vision.

The most violent city in Canada is Winnipeg, IIRC.

149 chotii  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:03:14pm

From Drudge:

How the Other Half Lives - a reporter covering the Presidential campaign reports on differences between McCain's campaign, and Obama's.

In the comments, somebody mentions that Kos Kids are calling for re-education camps for the likes of us. Sigh.

150 tommoon  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:03:39pm

Hey Pat,

Hotter than hell today. I did a good long ride over to Kahana Bay.

151 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:04:04pm

re: #145 nightwatch

PANTI-wich....munch...munch....slurp of the MERLOT....glug.glug


GHEE, here I am, take your best sht.."THE O BE MISSING;}!"
Did I tell ya my target scores ta-day? 2 inch groups at combat range........luv to take my rage @ the range. Using the A-CORN-holes sillouetes for better groupings! Shoot like a SEAL with those pop-ups!

CAN YA SAY AYERYS an drop the disk? come'on ya players, show some sand in da pouch. SHOW SOME EEEEFFF'IN SAND. Limp wristed Trolls need not reply...ya know who ya be...ya cocktail swilling mother wishers/:[

OH MY! THE ARNOLD just signed the AB# PLUS and the AB# PLUS and the AB# that must mean his civil union with the KEN...oh you know the relation of the dude who killed that secretary by driving off a bridge......THOSE PEOPLE. JUST CHECKING YA PLAY M A R I A......

Er, last call!

152 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:04:13pm

re: #130 Walter L. Newton

This is different. I found this on a personals site. It is a woman looking for another woman for...

"Hi, Am I the only woman who enjoys watching the garbage truck crush my underwear? I bet the men watch when my garbage is crushed. Is there anyone else who shares the same interest of the power that they have? Anyone ever watch as well? Will exchange pics if interested. Any real garbageman will do as well-show me the stuff before you crush it. Heather"

And just when I thought I had heard of everything...

i'm afraid to ask what personal site you were perusing.....

153 nightwatch  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:04:28pm

re: #51 Walter L. Newton

154 pat  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:05:36pm

re: #150 tommoon

Double ditto. I have a black car and after lunch, I drive home, I thought I was going to cook! And that was with my windshield silvery thing in place! lol

155 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:05:51pm

re: #148 WF Bach

The most violent city in Canada is Winnipeg, IIRC.

Those who have been to The Peg can understand why.

156 GorgonBEgone  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:05:57pm

Pull the fleas off and get real.

Watch the saturday night live skits:::
[Link: www.hulu.com...]

Does this mean Hillary in four more years?

===================================

Why Wachcovia bit the dust

[Link: www.pittsburghlive.com...]
The Soros Syndrome
By Ed Lasky
Sunday, October 5, 2008
Wachovia, one of America's major banks, has seen its stock price plummet over the last few months and will be purchased either by Citibank for the proverbial song -- a few dollars a share for a stock that sold at more than $50 a share late last year -- or by Wells Fargo at a premium.
What brought about the wreckage of Wachovia?

----------------------------------------------

I guess it's not missing now?

[Link: www.digitaljournal.com...]
The Wachovia Debacle And The Missing Saturday Night Live Skit

Saturday Night Live produced a skit that slammed, Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank, and Democrats for opposing reform of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. They also skewered Herb and Marion Sandler as predatory lenders. The SNL video has mysteriously disappeared.
Herb and Marion Sandler were co-chief executives for Golden West Financial Corp., and were once hailed as "voices of reason" as they guided their company and it's subsidiary, World Savings, safely through the 1980's and 1990's, when thousands of other savings-and-loan failed.

In October 2006, after 40 years of running what was once referred to as an "endearing mom-and-pop shop" they sold their business to Wachovia in a $24.3 billion deal as USA Today reports.

This past weekend, Saturday Night Live (SNL), produced a skit dealing with the massive bailout for Wall Street that has just been passed by the U.S. Senate, House and signed by President Bush.

In the skit, SNL cast skewered Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, Democratic Congressman Barney Frank who is the Chairman of the House Financial Services Committee for opposing reforms regarding Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and toward the end of the skit cast members played Herbert and Marion Sandler, with the screen shot showing the caption "people who should be shot" as well as George Soros, with the caption "Multi-Billionaire hedge Fund Manager, Owner Democratic Party."

Herb Sander spoke to the Associate Press the morning after seeing the SNL skit which derided them as "predatory lenders" who had duped borrowers and Wachovia, After seeing the skit replayed on the Internet, Sandler was described as "seething," about how he and his wife were portrayed.

More information about the Sandlers can be found at New York Times Magazine from a March 9, 2008 piece called "Self-Made Philanthropists."

Although many SNL skits are available at Hulu and other video uploading sites, this particular skit was uploaded, was shown and linked to, but has mysteriously disappeared and now when someone clicks the link they are greeted with a message saying "Unfortunately, this video is no longer available but here are other related videos to watch," and underneath are clips from other SNL skits.

The video was captured and uploaded by Pat Dollard, who declares "yank this b*tches".

Conservative author, blogger and syndicated columnist Michelle Malkin has painstakingly transcribed the whole skit with screenshots at her blog MichelleMalkin.com.

Others interested in why this specific video was yanked off of every video upload site it was put on are claiming that NBC is also deleting questions about the bailout skit from their messageboards.

--------------------------------------

157 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:05:58pm

re: #148 WF Bach

The most violent city in Canada is Winnipeg, IIRC.

I believe you are right. I have never had the need to visit there. I spent a few hours one day scarcely within the borders of Manitoba to attend an auction sale, and then returned to points west.

158 cg76  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:06:40pm

One reason I'm against universal healthcare... my insulin pump went belly up on me yesterday morning and I'm getting a replacement pump from teh manufacturer within the next twelve hours. Not so sure that'd happen as quickly if the state were running things.

159 WF Bach  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:06:42pm

re: #155 Badge of Kaffir Pride

Those who have been to The Peg can understand why.

Haven't been there since I was a kid. Is it native folks?

160 pat  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:07:59pm

I must unconstructively eat. Or rather deconstruct food. Nite. Nite Tom.

161 Last Man  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:08:28pm

Let's hope when NSA etc. catches wind of Putin's payback for the Georgian car bombing, SAD will be tasked with establishing the new terms of US-Russian relations.

162 tommoon  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:08:49pm

Night Pat.

163 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:09:02pm

re: #152 redc1c4

i'm afraid to ask what personal site you were perusing.....

Just Denver's Craigslist, nothing too crazy. Over the last 3 years I've met about 7 woman from Craigslist. I don't drink anymore, I'm 55, but I am very active. A lot of the ladies my age are SO SETTLED IN. They are not interested in much of anything. Me, I'm going through a second childhood. Having fun.

164 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:09:33pm

re: #146 realwest

In every jurisdiction with which I'm familiar, the Sheriff falls under the Judiciary Branch of Government, NOT the Executive. City Sheriffs (or Marshalls, name depends on the jurisdiction) serve the COURTS.

So then, sheriffs are Officers of the Courts, not Officers of the Law? Would that make them colleagues of trial lawyers?

And, the last I knew, sheriffs served the citizens who elected them.

165 stuiec  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:11:25pm

re: #122 Mel Lono

My Dad was.

My comment was directed at the idea that it used to take balls to say, "you bet your sweet ass I am," in mixed company or polite society. That's what made a Turtle a Turtle.

Nowadays, "you bet your sweet ass I am" is what the typical eighth grader replies to his teacher when she says, "Johnny, you're tardy again."

166 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:11:33pm

re: #145 nightwatch

PANTI-wich....munch...munch....slurp of the MERLOT....glug.glug


GHEE, here I am, take your best sht.."THE O BE MISSING;}!"
Did I tell ya my target scores ta-day? 2 inch groups at combat range........luv to take my rage @ the range. Using the A-CORN-holes sillouetes for better groupings! Shoot like a SEAL with those pop-ups!

CAN YA SAY AYERYS an drop the disk? come'on ya players, show some sand in da pouch. SHOW SOME EEEEFFF'IN SAND. Limp wristed Trolls need not reply...ya know who ya be...ya cocktail swilling mother wishers/:[

OH MY! THE ARNOLD just signed the AB# PLUS and the AB# PLUS and the AB# that must mean his civil union with the KEN...oh you know the relation of the dude who killed that secretary by driving off a bridge......THOSE PEOPLE. JUST CHECKING YA PLAY M A R I A......

anyone else think this needs a green smoke?

seems like a fake Iron Fist violation at best.

167 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:12:08pm

That Barack Obama as socialist story seems to be getting some legs.

Powerline

Still a little skeptical.

168 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:12:29pm

re: #159 WF Bach

Haven't been there since I was a kid. Is it native folks?

Partially but the city is just dreary and very little to do. Colder than a witch's... never mind.

Best two things out of The Peg? Greyhound and the TransCanada Highway.

169 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:12:52pm

re: #65 Intrepid

And if you want a peak at what they think, go here!

Main Page of the Hillary Clinton Forum

They are legion, and they are ACTIVE! Much more active and upbeat than many of us here on LGF, I'll tell ya.

When I need a "pick-me-up" in morale, I go to the PUMAs.

Same here, and frankly- that's sad.

170 stuiec  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:14:08pm

Does anyone else ever head over to PalinforAmerica.com to post in the forums? They could use the injection of new blood and enthusiasm.

171 inquisitive  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:14:11pm

re: #166 redc1c4

anyone else think this needs a green smoke?

seems like a fake Iron Fist violation at best.


Yes....green smoke....just clicked on his avi. and read his last few comments.....that tells it all! Diff. a fake Iron Fist Rule.

172 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:14:20pm

re: #158 cg76

One reason I'm against universal healthcare... my insulin pump went belly up on me yesterday morning and I'm getting a replacement pump from teh manufacturer within the next twelve hours. Not so sure that'd happen as quickly if the state were running things.

you'd die.....

/but at least all the forms would be in order. %-)

173 WF Bach  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:14:43pm

re: #168 Badge of Kaffir Pride

Partially but the city is just dreary and very little to do. Colder than a witch's... never mind.

Best two things out of The Peg? Greyhound and the TransCanada Highway.

It has the highest murder rate in Canada by far. Almost approaching US urban levels.

174 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:15:26pm

re: #163 Walter L. Newton

Just Denver's Craigslist, nothing too crazy. Over the last 3 years I've met about 7 woman from Craigslist. I don't drink anymore, I'm 55, but I am very active. A lot of the ladies my age are SO SETTLED IN. They are not interested in much of anything. Me, I'm going through a second childhood. Having fun.

good for you.... just play safe. %-)

175 stuiec  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:15:29pm

re: #168 Badge of Kaffir Pride

And nowadays the Greyhound ain't so safe, neither.

176 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:15:41pm

re: #164 victor_yugo

So then, sheriffs are Officers of the Courts, not Officers of the Law? Would that make them colleagues of trial lawyers?

And, the last I knew, sheriffs served the citizens who elected them.

I'm in an unincorporated city/town in Los Angeles County. The Sheriff's Department are our law enforcement here. The LA County Sheriff's are also the bailiffs of our courthouses.

177 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:16:51pm

re: #166 redc1c4

LOL How did we all miss that?

178 stuiec  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:16:58pm

re: #161 Last Man

What did he do?

179 WF Bach  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:17:17pm

re: #173 WF Bach

It has the highest murder rate in Canada by far. Almost approaching US urban levels.

In 2004 Winnipeg had a murder rate of 4.89 per 100,000. That's actually higher than some US cities.

180 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:17:36pm

re: #171 inquisitive

Yes....green smoke....just clicked on his avi. and read his last few comments.....that tells it all! Diff. a fake Iron Fist Rule.

then you can pop the traditional first yellow smoke.....

/spreading traditions, one pull ring at a time. %-)

181 inquisitive  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:17:39pm

re: #163 Walter L. Newton

Just Denver's Craigslist, nothing too crazy. Over the last 3 years I've met about 7 woman from Craigslist. I don't drink anymore, I'm 55, but I am very active. A lot of the ladies my age are SO SETTLED IN. They are not interested in much of anything. Me, I'm going through a second childhood. Having fun.


Good for you.....enjoy life at its fullest!

182 Meremortal  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:18:07pm

re: #163 Walter L. Newton

Just Denver's Craigslist, nothing too crazy. Over the last 3 years I've met about 7 woman from Craigslist. I don't drink anymore, I'm 55, but I am very active. A lot of the ladies my age are SO SETTLED IN. They are not interested in much of anything. Me, I'm going through a second childhood. Having fun.

**
So, have you got a date for Friday night, hotshot? We got the rock to make her shimmy.

183 SurferDoc  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:18:13pm

re: #134 cg76

That stinks. Here I've been using 88 for good luck out on the track. At least in Asian culture its good luck and not nazi-fied. :(

Oh and hello, new lizard here. :)

Welcome from another nOOb.

184 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:19:07pm

Just because something nice and soothing might be a welcome respite for some, even if it is temporary:

185 Mel Lono  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:19:25pm

re: #183 SurferDoc

Welcome from another nOOb.

Second round on Doc.

186 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:19:31pm

re: #179 WF Bach

In 2004 Winnipeg had a murder rate of 4.89 per 100,000. That's actually higher than some US cities.

that's impossible: they have gun control......

maybe it's not strict enough? or is it because the US is so close and we don't have any?.......

/all our fault. %-)

187 stuiec  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:20:08pm

re: #167 Noam Sayin'

Skeptical? Why? Did Obama not join up with William Ayers to spend tens of millions of dollars to turn young skulls full of mush in Chicago into committed socialist cadres? (Certainly they weren't working on pulling up the kids' standardized test scores in math and reading.)

188 SurferDoc  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:20:30pm

re: #185 Mel Lono

Second round on Doc.

Come and get 'em while they're cold

189 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:20:34pm

re: #180 redc1c4

The poster is a malignant little site pest. Not one meaningful post, just bilge.
I reported him 2 nights ago.

190 welshgirl  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:20:34pm

That Barack Obama as socialist story seems to be getting some legs.

Powerline

Still a little skeptical.

correction: Barack HUSSEIN Obama Barack HUSSEIN Obama! ! !

191 WF Bach  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:21:53pm

re: #186 redc1c4

that's impossible: they have gun control......

maybe it's not strict enough? or is it because the US is so close and we don't have any?.......

/all our fault. %-)

In Winnipeg they probably murder each other in drunken rages using tire irons, broken bottles, kitchen knives, whatever is handy. It's that sort of place.

192 stuiec  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:22:21pm

re: #186 redc1c4

that's impossible: they have gun control......

maybe it's not strict enough? or is it because the US is so close and we don't have any?.......

/all our fault. %-)

Canadians do not need guns to commit murder. A hockey stick, a broken Molson's bottle or a frozen rasher of back bacon will do.

193 tommoon  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:22:25pm

victor_yugo

So then, sheriffs are Officers of the Courts, not Officers of the Law? Would that make them colleagues of trial lawyers?

And, the last I knew, sheriffs served the citizens who elected them


I was a State Deputy Sheriff in Hawaii for eight years. Serving the Courts mean serving the Judges who pass down decisions of law. We serve warrants and other duties as prescribed by the courts. Sheriffs do not have the right to decide which laws they will deem right and obey.

194 inquisitive  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:23:10pm

re: #180 redc1c4

then you can pop the traditional first yellow smoke.....

/spreading traditions, one pull ring at a time. %-)

I think it may have been a hit and run this time......he/she doesn't seem to be around here any longer. Last time IT threw comments at Mamawringer, Realwest and Rawmuse.

195 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:24:07pm

re: #185 Mel Lono

Second round on Doc.

i figger we can hang ten on him..... after all:

/docs are rich

196 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:25:14pm

re: #169 Sharmuta

Same here, and frankly- that's sad.

Yeah - we do indeed tend to eat our own, as the PUMAs have said.

Oh that we had as much conviction and strength as the PUMAs do! Some of our lizards are simply wimps when it comes to staying true to our candidate!

But alas, we have so many gloom and doom folks.

197 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:26:03pm

re: #194 inquisitive
then you can pop the traditional first yellow smoke.....
/spreading traditions, one pull ring at a time. %-)

I missed the "Colored Smoke Orientation Seminar"
Could I get the lowdown?

198 SurferDoc  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:26:10pm

re: #195 redc1c4

i figger we can hang ten on him..... after all:

/docs are rich

Drink up!

/feel so used

199 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:26:13pm

re: #187 stuiec

Skeptical? Why? Did Obama not join up with William Ayers to spend tens of millions of dollars to turn young skulls full of mush in Chicago into committed socialist cadres? (Certainly they weren't working on pulling up the kids' standardized test scores in math and reading.)

That in itself doesn't put Obama into the New Party, nor does their claiming his victory. I'd just like to see something more solid.

200 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:27:50pm

re: #194 inquisitive

I think it may have been a hit and run this time......he/she doesn't seem to be around here any longer. Last time IT threw comments at Mamawringer, Realwest and Rawmuse.

i'm gonna battle carry canister, just in case, and slave the coax to it.... it'd best stay in it's hole.

them fake drunks give us real ones a bad name.

alt.drunken.bastards forever!

201 Meremortal  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:28:31pm

Over and out for the night, all.

202 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:29:51pm

re: #193 tommoon

Sheriffs do not have the right to decide which laws they will deem right and obey.

Then how do so many sheriffs justify not writing tickets because "they were only speeding a little bit"?

And what would a deputy do when a judge hands down a warrant which is obviously part of a personal vendetta?

203 Mel Lono  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:30:25pm

re: #195 redc1c4

i figger we can hang ten on him..... after all:

/docs are rich

Doc might be a girl, but that may be wishful thinking. Let's surf!

204 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:30:27pm

re: #200 redc1c4

alt.drunken.bastards forever!

'You know the difference between a drunk and an alcoholic?

A drunk doesn't have to go to all those meetings.

/trust me, I know.............

205 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:31:57pm

re: #197 IslandLibertarian

then you can pop the traditional first yellow smoke.....
/spreading traditions, one pull ring at a time. %-)

I missed the "Colored Smoke Orientation Seminar"
Could I get the lowdown?

it's a Usenet relic from alt.folklore.military & us.military.army:
the 404th Lemming SOI

Smoke and Pyro

White Smoke---Covering/Screening only
Yellow Smoke---Designated target (Fire at will)
Purple Smoke---All after is sarcastic
Green Smoke---Kook Identified
White Star Cluster---All Clear
Yellow Star Cluster---Cease-fire
Red Star Cluster---Danger


Some Examples:

Red says something smart and instead of "ducking," pops white smoke and disengages.

Anyone needing assistance might designate a post (or a thread in the subject line) with yellow smoke.

Prior to typing a sarcastic remark, "pop purple smoke." When removing tounge from cheek, send up a White Star Cluster.

Green star clusters would probably be most effective for the person on SGT Casey's duty roster with an addition to a subject line.

Yellow star clusters used to designate a friendly under fire or to initiate compromise under a misunderstanding.

Red star cluster, any kind of warning.

206 WF Bach  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:32:25pm

Canadians are so tough they don't need guns:

B.C. man says he won deadly fight with black bear
Updated: Wed Oct. 08 2008 16:41:32

Darcy Wintonyk, ctvbc.ca

A B.C. man found himself in a deadly fight with a black bear, and had to kill the large animal to escape with his life. The attack left him with deep gashes in his head that required more than 60 stitches.

Jim West, 45, was walking with his two dogs near 70 Mile House -- about halfway between Kamloops and Williams Lake -- when his dogs reacted to a noise in the woods.

"All of a sudden I heard a 'whoof' on my right and I looked over and there was a bear six feet away from me," he said.

West knew right away he was in serious danger.

"Just one look at that bear and I knew she meant business," he said.

"The bear rose at the same time as my foot went up. I'm not sure if it was her teeth or her claws that caught me in my upper lip."

That's when West was knocked down. He rolled onto his stomach and clasped his hands around his neck to protect his throat.

"She then tore a chunk out my scalp, bit me in my left arm and ribs," West said.

The Caribou man credits his dogs for drawing the bear away, giving him a chance to defend himself. When he turned to stand up, the bear -- apparently a mother -- swatted him in the right arm and bit him again. Knowing he would likely die unless he put up a fight, the bleeding West summoned the strength to get on his feet and picked up a stick about as thick as his arm.

"The bear was running at me full tilt," he said. "I swung the stick and hit her right between the ears and it stopped her dead in her tracks.

West says the initial hit stunned the bear, but he realized the animal would attack again if he didn't keep up the fight.

"I knew if I went down a third time I wouldn't get up again," said West.

"I pretended I was driving spikes with a sledgehammer, and I didn't stop until that bear went down and I saw blood coming out her nose."

After West crushed the bear's skull, he dropped the stick and wrapped his shirt around his head to stop the profuse bleeding. He then walked to a nearby lodge, where he was taken to hospital for dozens of stitches.

Matter of survival

Conservation officers found the bear three hours later, and confirmed the bear's injuries. West says fighting back was a matter of survival.

"Most people would be so scared that they would just stay on the ground and let the bear chew on them, but I have a bit of a temper that I try to stay on top of," he said.

But also West blames himself for the attack, saying the bear was just following its instincts when it attacked.

"With my experience in the woods, I know bears are out foraging in the fall, but with the wind in the face, I know he couldn't smell me or hear me," he said. "I know that people should be prepared when they go out."

207 Bobibutu  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:32:59pm

neocon hippie posted this up top ... play it in the background.

[Link: krla870.townhall.com...]

Hugh Hewitt interviews Victor Davis Hanson

Hugh concludes his two hour conversation with Victor Davis Hanson about the state of the world, the war, the election, and the future of the West in this extraordinary time in which we live.

208 Mel Lono  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:33:13pm

re: #204 IslandLibertarian


alt.drunken.bastards forever!

'You know the difference between a drunk and an alcoholic?

A drunk doesn't have to go to all those meetings.

/trust me, I know.............

I remember that site. Was looking for recipes... Haven't been back.. kinda lile the meetings. lol./

209 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:33:19pm

re: #198 SurferDoc

Drink up!

/feel so used

i'm in pharmacy: consider it interest on all the times you've called and screamed at us. %-)

/white smoke

210 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:33:49pm

re: #196 Intrepid

Yeah - we do indeed tend to eat our own, as the PUMAs have said.

Oh that we had as much conviction and strength as the PUMAs do! Some of our lizards are simply wimps when it comes to staying true to our candidate!

But alas, we have so many gloom and doom folks.

I can certainly understand conservatives not being pleased, but cutting off our nose to spite our face is reckless and dangerous when we consider the alternative. We must first defeat 0bama, then we can work on internal issues in our own party.

Like MacDaddy says- country first! Let's defeat 0bama for America, and worry about party after that.

211 gmsc  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:34:04pm

McCain camp making news in the morning

On what, they won't say.

"We'll have something to talk about," is all a campaign aide would allow.

Check back again in this space or over on our front-page in the morning.

212 SurferDoc  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:34:24pm

re: #203 Mel Lono

Doc might be a girl, but that may be wishful thinking. Let's surf!

"Misirlou" --Rockin'

213 stuiec  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:34:28pm

re: #199 Noam Sayin'

That in itself doesn't put Obama into the New Party, nor does their claiming his victory. I'd just like to see something more solid.

I'm less concerned about whether Obama was a full-fledged member of the New Party and more concerned about the indisputable fact that his personal political philosophy is squarely and solidly socialist.

214 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:36:04pm

re: #206 WF Bach

Canadians are so tough they don't need guns:

B.C. man says he won deadly fight with black bear
Updated: Wed Oct. 08 2008 16:41:32

Darcy Wintonyk, ctvbc.ca

A B.C. man found himself in a deadly fight with a black bear, and had to kill the large animal to escape with his life. The attack left him with deep gashes in his head that required more than 60 stitches.

Jim West, 45, was walking with his two dogs near 70 Mile House -- about halfway between Kamloops and Williams Lake -- when his dogs reacted to a noise in the woods.

"All of a sudden I heard a 'whoof' on my right and I looked over and there was a bear six feet away from me," he said.

West knew right away he was in serious danger.

"Just one look at that bear and I knew she meant business," he said.

"The bear rose at the same time as my foot went up. I'm not sure if it was her teeth or her claws that caught me in my upper lip."

(snipage occurs)

But also West blames himself for the attack, saying the bear was just following its instincts when it attacked.

"With my experience in the woods, I know bears are out foraging in the fall, but with the wind in the face, I know he couldn't smell me or hear me," he said. "I know that people should be prepared when they go out."

good reason to never go hiking without Dan Wesson in that neighborhood.

215 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:36:05pm

re: #211 gmsc

McCain camp making news in the morning

Interesting.....

216 cg76  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:36:52pm

lol! "Kook identified"

Oh and I don't have any defective y chromosomes. This supposedly makes me a better shooter. Though I prefer burning precious fuel on a road course to shooting at things for now. I get less grief for it out here on the left coast. :)

217 least  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:37:17pm

I found this interesting article, how come this hasn't been raised before now?

"Portrait of two ladies and their treatment by the Gray Lady"


Sure, many conservatives say The New York Times is biased against Sarah Palin, but let's remember the Times editorial published right after John McCain made his choice: "So much for the snickers about Boring McCain. His choice of Sarah Palin enlivens a leaden campaign season. It energizes the Republicans. And for all Americans, not just women, it's a genuinely historic moment. The verbs of Sarah Palin's life convey her solidity: worked, earned, raised, ran, won, led. In selecting her, Mr. McCain pays signal tribute to the difficult path pursued by many American women."

The Times, in its usually fair-minded way, noted that some would say Palin's selection was merely political, but it then rebutted that criticism: "By choosing a woman who seems untested on the national stage, it will be said that Mr. McCain looks desperate, driven to gamble that the women's vote will turn into a plus. Maybe, but so what? That has always been the first criterion for running mates: Who will bring the most to the ticket?"

OK, confession time: This was not the initial Times editorial about Sarah Palin. It was the editorial on July 13, 1984, that supported Democratic VP candidate Geraldine Ferraro: Merely trade Ferraro for Palin, and Walter Mondale (that year's Democratic presidential candidate) for McCain. This year, the Times is repeatedly demanding that Palin "fill in for the voting public the gaping blanks about her record and qualifications to be vice president." In 1984, as WORLD reader Keith Appell pointed out to me, "the Times made no such demands—but blindly accepted that she was ready."

There's more - and some really good Editorial Cartoons, too
Or has it been raised, but I've been snoozing?
Lord knows I'd never hear it from a MSM source.
That's why I'm a World Mag subscriber.

218 WF Bach  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:37:26pm

re: #214 redc1c4

good reason to never go hiking without Dan Wesson in that neighborhood.

Not sure how useful a revolver would be against a bear up close and personal.

219 tommoon  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:37:52pm

It would really take to long to explain law enforcement to you. It really comes too the point that you are not the maker of law, but the enforcer. If you don't like the law tough shit. If the judge has his name on that warrant tough shit. I serve it, let the courts sort it out.

220 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:37:54pm

I just got into an argument with a small businessman about 0bama's small business tax policy. He refused to believe me even when I said I got my facts from the IRS.

Guess he doesn't need my business anymore.

221 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:38:21pm

re: #205 redc1c4
Thanks.
I hope there's not a test in the morning...............

222 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:38:52pm

re: #217 least

WOW!

223 stuiec  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:39:15pm

re: #217 least

It's been raised by Geraldine Ferraro herself, among others.

224 Mel Lono  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:39:25pm

re: #221 IslandLibertarian

Thanks.
I hope there's not a test in the morning...............

I tattooed them on my arm just to be sure>

225 inquisitive  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:39:29pm

re: #197 IslandLibertarian

then you can pop the traditional first yellow smoke.....
/spreading traditions, one pull ring at a time. %-)

I missed the "Colored Smoke Orientation Seminar"
Could I get the lowdown?

It is smoking someone out.....used in wars to smoke out enemy. but.....green smoke was also used to mark spots for landing or for planes to fly over for drops and......
Was also used as a cover at times when service men were moving from one area to another.

So here would be used to smoke out a Troll/Moby

226 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:39:32pm

re: #204 IslandLibertarian


alt.drunken.bastards forever!

'You know the difference between a drunk and an alcoholic?

A drunk doesn't have to go to all those meetings.

/trust me, I know.............

meetings are for quitters!

227 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:39:43pm

re: #215 Sharmuta

Interesting.....

Did you see this comment?

Between 8:45 PM and 9:15 PM tonight (Oct 8) on Intrade, someone just bet a LOT of money against Obama winning the presidency. And I mean a LOT. His stock, which has been over 70 for a couple of days now and at 76 most of the time today dipped down to 64 or so in those 20 minutes under heavy betting before recovering immediately after 9:15 to 73... Very strange.. is there something someone knows? What is the news tomorrow, JMart?

Posted By: intrade | October 08, 2008 at 11:54 PM
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228 BlueCanuck  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:42:37pm

re: #214 redc1c4

Unfortunately carrying anything like that in the outdoors requires reems of paperwork, liscences and such. Just the sheer thought about paperwork is staggering enough. Not to mention the fact of carrying it all.

229 inquisitive  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:42:39pm

re: #205 redc1c4

it's a Usenet relic from alt.folklore.military & us.military.army:
the 404th Lemming SOI

Smoke and Pyro

White Smoke---Covering/Screening only
Yellow Smoke---Designated target (Fire at will)
Purple Smoke---All after is sarcastic
Green Smoke---Kook Identified
White Star Cluster---All Clear
Yellow Star Cluster---Cease-fire
Red Star Cluster---Danger


Some Examples:

Red says something smart and instead of "ducking," pops white smoke and disengages.

Anyone needing assistance might designate a post (or a thread in the subject line) with yellow smoke.

Prior to typing a sarcastic remark, "pop purple smoke." When removing tounge from cheek, send up a White Star Cluster.

Green star clusters would probably be most effective for the person on SGT Casey's duty roster with an addition to a subject line.

Yellow star clusters used to designate a friendly under fire or to initiate compromise under a misunderstanding.

Red star cluster, any kind of warning.

Well you gave all the colors and uses.....I just answered with a general idea of the use. Yours is much much better, or should I just say THE BEST!

230 neocon hippie  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:43:17pm

re: #207 Bobibutu

If you play in the background you'll miss some important points. What VDH has to says bears close and perhaps repeated listening.

231 least  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:43:53pm

re: #223 stuiec

It's been raised by Geraldine Ferraro herself, among others.

OK, I'll ask.
When?
In what context?
Who are "the others?"
Why hasn't this blatant hypocrisy made more noise?
Curious, I am.

232 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:44:21pm

re: #227 Pvt Bin Jammin

Interesting.........

233 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:47:08pm

re: #216 cg76

lol! "Kook identified"

Oh and I don't have any defective y chromosomes. This supposedly makes me a better shooter. Though I prefer burning precious fuel on a road course to shooting at things for now. I get less grief for it out here on the left coast. :)

i'm a PRC native, as is my 6 element..... we both like.... hmmmm how to put it? Bloodstains! albeit she's not into the "rich girls" part and i don't wander,. but you get the message. %-)

wanna meet at the range? we're w*rking on her Life NRA cert and on getting an order into the CMP this year. (before it goes away. %-)

234 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:47:52pm

re: #219 tommoon

It would really take to long to explain law enforcement to you.

Don't be condescending.

It really comes too the point that you are not the maker of law, but the enforcer. If you don't like the law tough shit. If the judge has his name on that warrant tough shit. I serve it, let the courts sort it out.

I never claimed it was the executive's job to make law. That's the job of the legislative. But both the executive and the judiciary can refuse to enforce an unjust law made by the legislature.

235 armaros  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:48:02pm

Here s Ayers being interviewed by his friends at the Communist party:

[Link: sweetness-light.com...]

236 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:50:01pm

re: #228 BlueCanuck

Unfortunately carrying anything like that in the outdoors requires reems of paperwork, liscences and such. Just the sheer thought about paperwork is staggering enough. Not to mention the fact of carrying it all.

my python is all that's needed, and free men don;t need permission to defend themselves. i'd suggest he get a lawyer to sue the province and the federation or whatever you call it for damages......

i was supposed to go unarmed in the backwoods when i was younger, healthier and did backpacking, but i figured i'd rather take the heat for surviving than die.

call me old fashioned.

237 michael.098762001  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:50:05pm

More leftist hysteria, "Thousands of Troops Are Deployed on U.S. Streets Ready to Carry Out "Crowd Control"
By Naomi Wolf, [Link: www.alternet.org...]

238 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:51:10pm

I wonder if MacDaddy got the message that we're looking for him to fight.

I hope this news in the morning isn't something kinda weak, though. We could really use something that will smack Americans awake.

239 tommoon  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:51:17pm

Don't be condescending.

Victor, four people have already explained to you why the Sheriff of Cook county should do his job. Sorry, I have no more time for you.

240 Bobibutu  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:51:38pm

re: #230 neocon hippie

If you play in the background you'll miss some important points. What VDH has to says bears close and perhaps repeated listening.

Fair enough ... and I will be listening again.

There were some statements that I did go back and replay. The guy is awesome.

241 stuiec  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:52:48pm

The estimable John Lott on how badly Biden mangled the truth in his debate with Palin, and how the MSM has been covering for him ever since.

When you interview for a job, here is a hint: make sure you know what the job is. Joe Biden failed that test last Thursday. He couldn’t even get right what a vice president does, but the media didn’t notice.

The media is all over itself about how smart and experienced Biden is. Political analyst Charlie Cook is quoted in the Washington Post on Saturday as saying “Biden is clearly so much more knowledgeable, by a factor of about a million.” Saturday Night Live does a skit about Biden being smart, if slimy. Meanwhile, Governor Sarah Palin is treated as being nothing more than a simpleton.

242 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:52:58pm

re: #229 inquisitive

Well you gave all the colors and uses.....I just answered with a general idea of the use. Yours is much much better, or should I just say THE BEST!

not even mine: unsurprisingly, RTO Trainer came up with it....

243 SurferDoc  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:53:01pm

re: #236 redc1c4

my python is all that's needed, and free men don;t need permission to defend themselves. i'd suggest he get a lawyer to sue the province and the federation or whatever you call it for damages......

i was supposed to go unarmed in the backwoods when i was younger, healthier and did backpacking, but i figured i'd rather take the heat for surviving than die.

call me old fashioned.

I usually tote something out there--.45, 9mm--but in bear country it's a .44--when it is my life on the line I make the rules.

244 BlueCanuck  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:53:25pm

re: #236 redc1c4

It's a Canadian thing. I know most card carrying NRA Americans have difficulty understanding. Here's a post I wrote on it couple months ago that gives some history and difficulties of owning handguns in Canada. Essentially handguns have been restriced use since about 1930.

245 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:54:32pm

re: #227 Pvt Bin Jammin

Did you see this comment?

Between 8:45 PM and 9:15 PM tonight (Oct 8) on Intrade, someone just bet a LOT of money against Obama winning the presidency. And I mean a LOT. His stock, which has been over 70 for a couple of days now and at 76 most of the time today dipped down to 64 or so in those 20 minutes under heavy betting before recovering immediately after 9:15 to 73... Very strange.. is there something someone knows? What is the news tomorrow, JMart?

Posted By: intrade | October 08, 2008 at 11:54 PM
abuse iconREPORT ABUSE

With a followup:

Who spent $140,000 against Obama on Intrade between 8:45 and 9:15 PM today?

Posted By: intrade | October 09, 2008 at 12:20 AM

246 middlecon  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:54:41pm

As far as the sheriff in Chicago goes, I say its fairly practical not to evict anyone and everyone that comes across his desk. Under normal circumstances of course he should, but with tnes of thousands of foreclosures why throw people out of homes that the banks probably wouldn't be able to sell anyway?

IF the bank in question is actually willing to keep up the property and actively try to sell it its a whole different story, but too many times these houses are just becoming abondoned and used for squatters and then condemed.

247 WF Bach  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:55:37pm

re: #243 SurferDoc

I usually tote something out there--.45, 9mm--but in bear country it's a .44--when it is my life on the line I make the rules.

You see, you Americans are wimps. That Canadian didn't need no stinkin' gun, just a plain old stick.

248 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:56:21pm

KC,MO is cracking down on ACORN registrations? Anyone have news of this?

249 SurferDoc  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:57:16pm

re: #247 WF Bach

You see, you Americans are wimps. That Canadian didn't need no stinkin' gun, just a plain old stick.

You got your stick, I got my boomstick. No problem.

250 inquisitive  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:57:24pm

Right at 2a.m..... got to go lay this head on a pillow for a little while....was really going to try and put this head on a pillow early tonight.....but it is just hard to leave good company.

251 SurferDoc  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:58:27pm

Sleep well.

252 WF Bach  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:58:53pm

re: #249 SurferDoc

You got your stick, I got my boomstick. No problem.

The makers of bear (capsicum pepper) spray claim it's more effective than a firearm. Don't know whether to believe that, though.

253 LeePro  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:59:36pm

re: #248 Sharmuta

KC,MO is cracking down on ACORN registrations? Anyone have news of this?

Yup.
Already posted in spinoffs.

254 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 8, 2008 11:59:59pm

re: #238 Sharmuta

I wonder if MacDaddy got the message that we're looking for him to fight.

I hope this news in the morning isn't something kinda weak, though. We could really use something that will smack Americans awake.

ya might wanna be careful with the term "awake" given historical precedents..... i'm just a student, but the woods are full of paranoids.

(and bears. %-)

255 rancher  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:00:37am

re: #124 Racer X

Barney Frank is a POS.
Frank: GOP Criticism of Housing Crisis is Aimed at Poor Blacks


And now the meme that if Obama loses after being ahead in the polls we will have race riots. Which is why Palin's racists views are so dangerous.

/Crap!

256 LeePro  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:00:43am

Witching hour for me...

G'nite {good Lizards}!

257 BlueCanuck  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:01:15am

re: #252 WF Bach

Saw a post awhile back about how to identify bear scat. After the poster warns people to wear bells and carry pepper spray. Grizzly bear scat will contain pieces of metal and smell of pepper. :)

258 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:01:34am

Great, now the news of there being news tomorrow morning has me all riled up!

259 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:01:43am

re: #253 LeePro

Yup.
Already posted in spinoffs.

Thanks, Lee!

260 BlueCanuck  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:01:47am

Night {LeePro}, keep up the good work and weet dreams.

261 Scion9  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:01:56am

I'm sifting through this Obama-New Party thing, and while I've already drawn my own conclusions long before this story regarding the fact that he is a radical Leftist, I keep seeing things like...

[quote]
Though Illinois was not one of the states that permitted electoral fusion, in 1995 Barack Obama nonetheless sought the New Party’s endorsement for his 1996 state senate run. He was successful in obtaining that endorsement, and he used a number of New Party volunteers as campaign workers.
[/quote]

...brought up in articles, but cannot find a citation where it is explicit that Obama sought the endorsement, just that he was endorsed and the DSA/New Party claimed him as one of theirs. Just because he was endorsed doesn't mean he sought the endorsment. I believe he did seek it, but I need some evidence before I can spread the word.

262 WF Bach  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:02:01am

re: #257 BlueCanuck

Saw a post awhile back about how to identify bear scat. After the poster warns people to wear bells and carry pepper spray. Grizzly bear scat will contain pieces of metal and smell of pepper. :)

LOL!

263 SurferDoc  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:02:01am

re: #252 WF Bach

The makers of bear (capsicum pepper) spray claim it's more effective than a firearm. Don't know whether to believe that, though.

I don't think I'd want to find out.

We had a black bear in camp one night and every time I went out there to chase it waway, fully armed, I told my wife, "You know I'm nuts, right?"

264 middlecon  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:02:03am

My guess is the 'new' McCain story is nothing new to the blogosphere but something that hasn't really been covered well in the MSM. Probably something along the lines of the 'New Party' stuff.

265 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:03:29am

re: #253 LeePro

Hi {LeePro}. I could swear that I saw that the FBI was investigating Acorn in several states but can't find the article now. I think the PUMAS are all over it, however, so hopefully it will come out. Wishing they would go for Calif.

I'm almost out. Long day.

266 Scion9  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:03:38am

re: #261 Scion9

Heh. Switching between blogs and messed up the blockquotes on both.

267 WF Bach  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:04:22am

re: #263 SurferDoc

I don't think I'd want to find out.

We had a black bear in camp one night and every time I went out there to chase it waway, fully armed, I told my wife, "You know I'm nuts, right?"

Well the question is how much ordnance is required to stop a bear at close quarters. I wouldn't want to experiment with that either.

268 stuiec  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:04:58am

An example from Geraldine Ferraro on 'Good Morning America,' September 3, 2008:

ROBERTS: She illuminates a lot of the strengths of, of John McCain being a maverick and being a reformer some things that people have forgotten. Now, there is one thing that Governor Palin said when -- concerning Hillary Clinton, and remember all of the thought that there was sexism and what was covered and how the press was dealing with that.

FERRARO: I'm one of those people who complained bitterly about that.

ROBERTS: Right and the article with "Newsweek," Sarah Palin talked about how maybe it was Hillary Clinton did a disservice to herself by bringing that up. I want to get your reaction to this.

PALIN (VIDEO CLIP): When I hear a statement like that coming from a woman candidate with any kind of perceived whine about that excess criticism, or, you know, maybe a sharper microscope put on her, I think that, that doesn't do us any good.

FERRARO: You know that, that, was a complaint that we heard from a lot of women. But to be quite frank, it wasn't Hillary who was complaining. It was us. It was, it was me and several others. In fact if you take a look at the Hillary Clinton voters, there are some people there who are called PUMA....Those are the women who turned around and said that the sexism in the press was so bad during the primaries and they're furious at the DNC, the Democratic National Committee, Howard Dean, and Barack Obama for not speaking up against this. And they say there's this double standard. If racist -- if the media had approached Barack Obama in a racist way, everybody would have been screaming and rightly so. With Hillary, not so. And one of the things I mentioned earler when I was on, on GMA, was I said, you know, there was a guy sitting there with a sign saying "iron my shirts." Why didn't the media report that? Does that not indicate that there is sexism in this country? [Actually, quite a few media outlets picked it up.]

Had somebody been there with a sign for Barack Obama that said shine my shoes, would there not have been a reporting of that? No double standard. No double standard. And there are those PUMA people are those people who say "we're not going to vote for Barack Obama. We're going to vote for John McCain. Or we're going to write in Hillary, or what we're going to do is we're not going to do anything on the top line." Those, some of those people, maybe John McCain will pick up. But, you know, it is, it is a very bad place to be. And I have to tell you, even Governor Palin thinks that's whining. A lot of those PUMA people and I will be watching very carefully to make sure that you treat her just like anybody else. Go to her, her qualifications, go to her experience. Go to whatever you want to. But make sure it's done on a basis where she's treated like a guy by the media. No sexism. Because we'll be looking.


An example from Cal Thomas on 'FOX News Watch,' September 13, 2008:

THOMAS: I was going to say there's an interesting double standard here when we're dealing with women. 1984, when Geraldine Ferraro was the first woman on a national ticket, "The New York Times" had a totally different editorial approach than they did with Sarah Palin. They did not talk about her fitness or readiness or any female qualifications in 1984 in their editorial, but this time they are all over the place saying that that ought to be the primary standard for selection as vice president.

269 cg76  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:06:16am

Whee, baby's awake means time to go for me. G'night!

270 rancher  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:06:20am

re: #234 victor_yugo

I never claimed it was the executive's job to make law. That's the job of the legislative. But both the executive and the judiciary can refuse to enforce an unjust law made by the legislature.

Not legally.

271 stuiec  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:06:34am

re: #231 least

Meant to direct my #268 to you.

272 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:07:45am

G'nite, Lizards, keep up the good fight!

273 victor_yugo  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:07:53am

re: #239 tommoon

Victor, four people have already explained to you why the Sheriff of Cook county should do his job.

And I have asked follow-up questions for clarification. Legitimate questions on both enforcement discretion and separation of powers. The only "explanations" I've seen have been variations on "it is what it is." No case law, no executive order, no reference to the Constitution's outline of the branches of government.

If you don't care to explain, fine. You can say "it's late, and I do need to go to bed."

274 SurferDoc  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:08:00am

re: #267 WF Bach

Well the question is how much ordnance is required to stop a bear at close quarters. I wouldn't want to experiment with that either.

After that episode when we went back to that place I brought a pump shotgun, loaded with, a slug, buckshot, slug, buckshot, slug. Never had to use it though.

275 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:09:28am

re: #218 WF Bach

Not sure how useful a revolver would be against a bear up close and personal.

well, the 357 long barrel would stand a fighting chance, and the 445 Super Magnum would drive portions of his skull plate out the bear's ass as they exited, along with everything else they collected on their way thorough.......
i'll take my chances. even the 3" Python is better than pepper spray or hoping......

276 victor_yugo  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:09:29am

re: #270 rancher

Not legally.

Tell that to any Supreme Court. A lower court can refuse to convict, and the Supreme Court can uphold that ruling.

277 adamthemadman  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:10:35am

Freeper Rumor o' the day

ACORN Racket Caught in RICO Rake
[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

Survey says, "Heavy caution."

278 tommoon  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:10:36am

If you don't care to explain, fine. You can say "it's late, and I do need to go to bed."

Thank you,
Good night

279 BlueCanuck  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:10:58am

re: #275 redc1c4

Thanks, that's the one I was thinking about earlier.

280 Temujin  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:12:41am

re: #275 redc1c4

re: #279 BlueCanuck

Good morning, red.

You too, Blue.

281 victor_yugo  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:13:20am

re: #252 WF Bach

The makers of bear (capsicum pepper) spray claim it's more effective than a firearm. Don't know whether to believe that, though.

Pepper spray is more effective against a bear than against any other mammal. Bears have the most sensitive scent organs, even more so than dogs. The strong odor of pepper spray basically incapacitates the bear.

However, bear in mind things like wind direction and how the spray may affect your own ability to escape the scene. In other words, it works best if you're upwind from the bear, and not the other way around!

282 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:13:30am

re: #247 WF Bach

You see, you Americans are wimps. That Canadian didn't need no stinkin' gun, just a plain old stick.

yeah, but the Canuckistanian need a doctor whereas the American just needed a taxidermist and maybe room in the freezer.....

game, set and match

283 BlueCanuck  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:13:32am

Morning Temujin, how are the mongol hordes holding up?

284 rancher  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:14:31am

re: #252 WF Bach

The makers of bear (capsicum pepper) spray claim it's more effective than a firearm. Don't know whether to believe that, though.

As part of our Corrections Officer training we get to be pepper sprayed in the eyes as a requirement for our Chemical Weapons Certification. We do not however have to be shot as part of our Deadly Weapons Certification. I'm pretty sure I'd choose the pepper spray but then I'm not a bear. I do know you get an occasional inmate that the stuff doesn't effect at all. Probably get an occasional bear too.

285 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:16:32am

re: #277 adamthemadman

That's a good find.

'nite.

286 SurferDoc  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:17:04am

re: #284 rancher

As part of our Corrections Officer training we get to be pepper sprayed in the eyes as a requirement for our Chemical Weapons Certification. We do not however have to be shot as part of our Deadly Weapons Certification. I'm pretty sure I'd choose the pepper spray but then I'm not a bear. I do know you get an occasional inmate that the stuff doesn't effect at all. Probably get an occasional bear too.

The bear in our camp had already walked right through our small campfire! I think he would have spit pepper spray back in my face.

287 WF Bach  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:17:10am

re: #281 victor_yugo

In other words, it works best if you're upwind from the bear, and not the other way around!

Maybe the bear would move around to a downwind position of you asked him to.

288 RightMinded  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:17:23am

re: #235 armaros

Wow, I checked out that link and found another story on the site about Michelle Obama, while Director of the University Of Chicago’s Community Service program, had Bill Ayers speak about Juvenile Justice back in 1997. I hadn't seen that before! Thanks for the link!

Night to all!

289 rancher  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:17:37am

re: #276 victor_yugo

I'm talking about the Police Department. Should they refuse to uphold the law they are criminally neglegent. Now if a Judge won't convict, that's just him not doing his job.

290 WF Bach  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:18:09am

re: #282 redc1c4

yeah, but the Canuckistanian need a doctor whereas the American just needed a taxidermist and maybe room in the freezer.....

game, set and match

But who has more to brag about?

291 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:20:02am

re: #282 redc1c4

As part of our Corrections Officer training we get to be pepper sprayed in the eyes


Red... did we we have Philly Naval Station Fire School conversation yet?

292 Temujin  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:20:03am

re: #283 BlueCanuck

Oh, we just fine, Blue . . .

/hope LoL is putting out a lot of fruitcup this morning!

293 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:22:18am

re: #249 SurferDoc

You got your stick, I got my boomstick. No problem.

BOOM! BOOM! Out Go the Lights!

294 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:22:47am

More sources are starting to confirm the 0bama New Party story:

[Link: politicallydrunk.blogspot.com...]

295 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:22:49am

re: #292 Temujin

Oh, we just fine, Blue . . .

/hope LoL is putting out a lot of fruitcup this morning!

Long time til fruitcup, grasshopper!

296 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:23:00am
297 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:24:01am

re: #263 SurferDoc

I don't think I'd want to find out.

We had a black bear in camp one night and every time I went out there to chase it waway, fully armed, I told my wife, "You know I'm nuts, right?"

fully armed as in long and hand gun,with the wife as back up?

298 rancher  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:24:03am

re: #296 IslandLibertarian

Guns are on the Banned from Debate list.

299 Temujin  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:24:35am

re: #295 Mel Lono

Waiting is, brother . . .

300 victor_yugo  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:25:27am

re: #289 rancher

I'm talking about the Police Department. Should they refuse to uphold the law they are criminally neglegent.

So if a sheriff directs deputies not to enforce marijuana laws (a la Northern California... forget which county), what sanction would be carried out by whom?

301 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:26:26am

re: #298 rancher

Oh, there's no debate.....I'm getting a few more guns.

NObama!
NoDisarming!

302 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:27:48am

re: #281 victor_yugo

Pepper spray is more effective against a bear than against any other mammal. Bears have the most sensitive scent organs, even more so than dogs. The strong odor of pepper spray basically incapacitates the bear.

However, bear in mind things like wind direction and how the spray may affect your own ability to escape the scene. In other words, it works best if you're upwind from the bear, and not the other way around!

sounds like sprinkling cayenne pepper on the ground around your AO might w*rk best..... kinda like CS crystals for bears.

303 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:28:30am

re: #299 Temujin

Surf Surf updated

As time goes by.

304 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:28:59am

re: #296 IslandLibertarian

New National Rifle Association advertisement revives Hillary Clinton's criticism of Obama on gun issues, stating 'Hillary was right: You can't trust Obama with your guns.'

I will add to my armory before November 3, 2008.

Power to the Correct ArmedPeople!

fixed that for ya!

305 SurferDoc  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:29:42am

re: #297 redc1c4

fully armed as in long and hand gun,with the wife as back up?

I had a S&W 629. She stayed in the tent with her Colt Diamondback. We were undergunned somewhat. One of the other campers came over with a .45. We looked at each other, shrugged, and yelled at the bear. A short time later a guy came with a truck full of bear dogs to "exercise" them and they chased the bear for hours. After we all went to sleep the bear came back for the fourth time and tore the neighbors camp to shreds. Nobody woke up.

306 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:30:00am

re: #294 Sharmuta

More sources are starting to confirm the 0bama New Party story:

[Link: politicallydrunk.blogspot.com...]

i sent that on up the hill earlier today, after he poasted the LJ issue.....

307 Temujin  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:32:54am

re: #303 Mel Lono

Thanks but . . .

I blush to admit, I do not do YouTube. I am in Dial-Up Hell, & the slowness of my internet connection does not accomodate video.

308 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:33:23am

re: #300 victor_yugo

So if a sheriff directs deputies not to enforce marijuana laws (a la Northern California... forget which county), what sanction would be carried out by whom?

state and or feds..... along with local options. each city has it's own jurisdiction, for instance.

309 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:34:11am

re: #307 Temujin

Thanks but . . .

I blush to admit, I do not do YouTube. I am in Dial-Up Hell, & the slowness of my internet connection does not accomodate video.

sucks to be you, eh? it's a k3wl jam: Dick Dale and SRV.

310 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:34:23am

re: #304 redc1c4

Power to the Correct Armed People!

Fixed even better............

311 Temujin  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:35:31am

re: #309 redc1c4

sucks to be you, eh?

Well, sorta.

Then again, I'm a Luddite.

312 Scion9  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:36:32am

re: #276 victor_yugo

There are two schools of thought on the role of the executive in terms of checks and balances. Some executive offices have veto power, the ability to unilaterally pardon, etc, such as the Presidency and that is the limit of their ability to check the Legislature and the Judiciary.

The other Jacksonian school of thought being that, Executives have the responsibility to uphold the spirit of the law (extending from the philosophy that all public servants do) and can outright disobey the Judiciary and Legislature with impunity, unless those bodies wish to drag the Executive into court, or impeach him and actually remove him from office wearing leg irons; or specifically in Jackson's case more likely a coffin.

I have a feeling that Jefferson intended for the first school of thought to be true, but his system lacking a level of perfection that he desired concerning the power of the executive office proferred by the Constitution in the letter of the law, did not actually hold up during Jefferson's own tenure as President.

313 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:38:14am

Example:
Incorrect People

/get what I'm saying?

314 gop_patriot  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:38:16am

re: #296 IslandLibertarian

Did you notice the caption on that photo? Bitter NRA Unloads

Bitter? Odd choice of words if you ask me. And two of the weirdest pictures of Obama and Hillary I've seen. Very unflattering of Hillary, like she's shrieking. Obama looks confused and slightly deranged. Which I suppose is normal for him...

315 stuiec  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:39:55am

re: #261 Scion9

Think I came across a sort of smoking gun: Chicago New Party Update.

About 50 activists attended the Chicago New Party membership meeting in July. The purpose of the meeting was to update members on local activities and to hear appeals for NP support from four potential political candidates. The NP is being very active in organization building and politics. There are 300 members in Chicago. In order to build an organizational and financial base the NP is sponsoring house parties. Locally it has been successful both fiscally and in building a grassroots base. Nationwide it has resulted in 1000 people committed to monthly contributions. The NP's political strategy is to support progressive candidates in elections only if they have a concrete chance to "win". This has resulted in a winning ratio of 77 of 110 elections. Candidates must be approved via a NP political committee. Once approved, candidates must sign a contract with the NP. The contract mandates that they must have a visible and active relationship with the NP.

The political entourage included Alderman Michael Chandler, William Delgado, chief of staff for State Rep Miguel del Valle, and spokespersons for State Sen. Alice Palmer, Sonya Sanchez, chief of staff for State Sen. Jesse Garcia, who is running for State Rep in Garcia's District; and Barack Obama, chief of staff for State Sen. Alice Palmer. Obama is running for Palmer's vacant seat.

The person who did the legwork to find this is the New Zeal blogger. And he did it back in January 2008.

316 victor_yugo  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:40:18am

re: #308 redc1c4

state and or feds..... along with local options. each city has it's own jurisdiction, for instance.

What would the sanctions be for refusing to enforce unjust law? Criminal proceedings, or something particular to LEO's?

And thanks for answering these questions.

317 Intrepid  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:40:28am

Going to bed now, Lizards. Set a fruit cup aside for me.

/zzzzz

318 Scion9  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:40:42am

re: #315 stuiec

Bingo. That looks like a smoking gun to me.

319 SurferDoc  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:40:50am

G'nite, All. Good chat.

320 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:41:49am

re: #315 stuiec

A commentor at Politico said there were minutes of a meeting discovered- have you heard anything about that?

321 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:42:02am

re: #310 IslandLibertarian

Power to the Correct Armed People!

Fixed even better............

i disagree: as Patrick Henry said "The great object is that every man be armed . . . [e]veryone who is able may have a gun."

everyone has the right to be armed, and to defend themselves, just as they have the right to choose to do so or not, and as they have the resultant obligation to live with the consequences of their decisions.

322 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:43:05am

re: #311 Temujin

Well, sorta.

Then again, I'm a Luddite.

yeah, we noticed... you don't even have an icon.

whas up wit dat?

323 rancher  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:43:15am

re: #300 victor_yugo
I guess I'm referring to actions that put the public at risk. For instance I'm on Perimeter Patrol and for whatever reason I fail to shoot at an escaping felon who the kills someone. My ass is grass. If the Shift Lieutenant orders me not to fire his ass is grass. In the case of police in sanctuary cities that do not turn in illegal aliens who then commit some horrendous crime, they're being taken to civil court.

I figure if your libel if someone gets hurt then you should be libel even if they don't, regardless the banks can certainly sue, and should.

324 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:43:39am

re: #319 SurferDoc

G'nite, All. Good chat.

hasta y'all.....

watch out for bears!

325 chotii  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:44:47am

re: #315 stuiec

Think I came across a sort of smoking gun: Chicago New Party Update.


The person who did the legwork to find this is the New Zeal blogger. And he did it back in January 2008.

The problem is, it won't matter. You could have these New Party People have a parade, with Obama marching at the head with a conductor's baton or whatever they carry, and the Obamatons would follow him anyway, and tell you that he's "better than 4 more years of Bush!"

Facts don't matter. Reality doesn't matter. The only thing that matters (I guess) is Hope and Change.

Well, let me tell you. Not all change is for the better. :(

326 rancher  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:46:01am

re: #314 gop_patriot

Did you notice the caption on that photo? Bitter NRA Unloads

Bitter? Odd choice of words if you ask me. And two of the weirdest pictures of Obama and Hillary I've seen. Very unflattering of Hillary, like she's shrieking. Obama looks confused and slightly deranged. Which I suppose is normal for him...

Bitter Clinger NRA Unloads!

327 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:46:08am

re: #325 chotii

It's not going to matter to the 0bamabots. We could have film of him beating animals and it wouldn't matter to them.

But there are Americans out there who will care, and not just us.

328 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:49:24am

re: #316 victor_yugo

What would the sanctions be for refusing to enforce unjust law? Criminal proceedings, or something particular to LEO's?

And thanks for answering these questions.

hard to say..... in the 50's Truman sent the 82nd to Little Rock. here in Lost Angels, even though there's a state medical marijuana law and the city gives licenses (and takes fees for) medical marijuana shops, when the DEA shows up, the LAPD goes along to provide area security. each scenario would be different, depending upon the unique nature of what law where, and the personalities at each level, plus the political landscape.

in short, there is no cookie cutter answer.

329 Temujin  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:50:15am

re: #322 redc1c4

Another thing I don't do on the computer is photography.

Friends & family email me photos : even small ones take forever to download.

So I avoid images . . .

330 victor_yugo  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:53:06am

re: #323 rancher

I'm with you on all that.

Okay, I'm gonna drop this for now. It is getting late for me.

re: #325 chotii

Facts don't matter. Reality doesn't matter. The only thing that matters (I guess) is Hope and Change.

But did you notice the airplay Sarah Palin's very direct words got against The Fascist Tool? I don't mean in campaign ads; I'm talking about news programs like NBC and MSNBC and CNN.

If she picks this up and runs with it, they'll notice. They won't be able to help themselves. They'll try to spin it, but like the Communists quoting (and publicizing) huge sections of the Bible while trying to discredit it, the Blame America First talking heads will actually be getting out even more dirt about zerObama.

331 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:53:15am

re: #313 IslandLibertarian

Example:
Incorrect People

/get what I'm saying?

i see nothing to worry me, armed or otherwise.

it's still a free country, for everyone, despite their best efforts.

/Harmony Church Rules

332 Scion9  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:54:05am

re: #325 chotii

Most Democrats, while having socialist leanings, are more about State-Capitalism planned economies. Modern Dems are more like the Teddy Roosevelt Era Republican progressives. The TrustBusters that want Wall Street bloodied, but not killed outright.

Out and out Socialists they are not. Those slight left of center Democrats might just be willing to be swayed to voting for a slightly left of center Republican instead.

Any doubt that can be instilled regarding Obama before sending them into the voting booth is a good thing.

333 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:54:21am

re: #329 Temujin

Another thing I don't do on the computer is photography.

Friends & family email me photos : even small ones take forever to download.

So I avoid images . . .

so you're a vampire?

how k3wl that you're on the LNDT!

and how great that i eat lots of garlic....... %-)

334 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:56:10am

re: #321 redc1c4

It's not about being armed.
It's about who has the power.
Radical Islamic terrorists are armed.
American servicemen are armed.
Who do you want to be in power?
I say the terrorist is the incorrect one to be in power.

/and it all started out purple smoke.............

335 Tamron  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:57:13am

re: #24 stuiec

I guess the Progressives should have been more patient in moving the Democrat party leftward off the cliff. Some of the folks they relied on to be good little lemmings are looking over the edge and saying, "No way!"


CHECK THIS CARTOON at Investor's Business Daily. "I'm OK, I landed on a taxpayer..."
.

336 victor_yugo  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:58:04am

re: #329 Temujin

Another thing I don't do on the computer is photography.

Friends & family email me photos : even small ones take forever to download.

So I avoid images . . .

[Link: gus3.typepad.com...]

The link goes to a picture that's a small 14K. Roughly how many seconds does that picture take to show up?

337 Temujin  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 12:58:33am

re: #333 redc1c4

so you're a vampire?

Well, that's one way to look at it . . .

Insomniac would probably be more like it, tho.

338 Tamron  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:00:41am

re: #37 William

The bottom? This circus is unfortunately just getting started. AIG asked for another $40 Billion today.


I just heard that AIG is planning another expensive party this week, in northern California.
.

339 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:02:54am

re: #334 IslandLibertarian

It's not about being armed.
It's about who has the power.
Radical Islamic terrorists are armed.
American servicemen are armed.
Who do you want to be in power?
I say the terrorist is the incorrect one to be in power.

/and it all started out purple smoke.............

yes, but if they are armed, the ROE allows us to shoot them and get it over with. unarmed, it gets messy, and they might even win. better they be armed. no need to call for permission........

/old soldier

340 Temujin  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:04:46am

re: #336 victor_yugo

That image came up fairly quickly - about a dozen seconds or so.

The fact that I avoid certain things also means that I don't learn how to use &/or manipulate them. I have, on rare occasions, for instance, downloaded a podcast of a radio show interview. Usually, though, the first thing I have to do in such a case is to learn the process (how to download, i.e.) all over again, since I do it so rarely.

341 Alberta Oil Peon  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:04:49am

re: #228 BlueCanuck

Unfortunately carrying anything like that in the outdoors requires reems of paperwork, liscences and such. Just the sheer thought about paperwork is staggering enough. Not to mention the fact of carrying it all.

There was a time, at least in B.C., that if you were in possession of a Free Miner's Certificate, you could get a permit to carry a handgun in the bush. The law recognized, quite reasonably, that toting a long gun, in addition to the other tools that a prospector might be expected to need, was impractical.

I've had an FMC for years, and never bothered to get a permit to carry a handgun, although I've packed a rifle in bear country. I've seen bears, and even had one walk right past the tent in which I was sleeping, but never had to shoot at one.

I have been in the bush on several occasions in the company of people who were toting handguns. Even got to shoot a few rounds.

342 stuiec  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:07:51am

re: #335 Tamron

Now that's funny.

343 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:08:44am

re: #253 LeePro

Yup.
Already posted in spinoffs.

There's more. Jonathan Martin of Politico says that McCain's camp has promised "something to talk about" Thursday morning.

And treat this as the rumour it currently is at a Hillary Clinton forum, but an insider claims the mother of all October Surprises is cooking.

Hint: ACORN. RICO.

(Sorry I've been away! I've been blogging up a storm, and commenting in places where McCain needed a voice)

344 stuiec  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:09:31am

re: #320 Sharmuta

Unfortunately, no, I haven't.

345 victor_yugo  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:10:53am

re: #340 Temujin

12 seconds? Sounds like you're stuck on a 28.8 connection (or worse).

If you live in town, you might consider having a telco service rep check your line quality.

346 stuiec  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:11:09am

re: #318 Scion9

Especially the part about how an endorsement requires the endorsee to sign a contract promising an active relationship with the New Party... because a later archived item includes the New Party's endorsement of Obama. Guess he signed that contract, eh?

347 srb1976  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:11:59am

re: #340 Temujin

This may sound a little odd, but I just love your nickname....I'm kind of a fan of slightly obscure references, and that's nice

348 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:12:05am

re: #343 vbspurs

There's more. Jonathan Martin of Politico says that McCain's camp has promised "something to talk about" Thursday morning.

And treat this as the rumour it currently is at a Hillary Clinton forum, but an insider claims the mother of all October Surprises is cooking.

Free Republic and the Hillary fora have been lighting it up and cheering like Navy just beat Notre Dame. (Go Middies!)
Hint: ACORN. RICO.

(Sorry I've been away! I've been blogging up a storm, and commenting in places where McCain needed a voice)

349 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:12:21am

re: #339 redc1c4

better they be armed. no need to call for permission........

As I've posted here before, I believe that weapons training should be a mandatory high school class.
And every household required to have a weapon for each adult.

/keeps crime down in Switzerland I hear.

350 stuiec  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:12:53am

re: #332 Scion9

Right. As far as Obama's true believers are concerned, proving that he's a Socialist is only going to deepen their commitment to him. But for the rest of the electorate, Socialism still isn't kosher.

351 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:13:16am

re: #348 Badge of Kaffir Pride

PIMF - 3rd Paragraph is mine. "Free Republic and the Hillary fora have been lighting it up and cheering like Navy just beat Notre Dame. (Go Middies!)"

352 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:13:24am

re: #348 Badge of Kaffir Pride

Free Republic and the Hillary fora have been lighting it up and cheering like Navy just beat Notre Dame. (Go Middies!)

I thought I disliked Obama, but man, the PUMAs are beyond hatred. ;)

353 srb1976  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:13:41am

re: #349 IslandLibertarian

better they be armed. no need to call for permission........

As I've posted here before, I believe that weapons training should be a mandatory high school class.
And every household required to have a weapon for each adult.

/keeps crime down in Switzerland I hear.

May be wrong about this, but I believe there's a town in georgia with the same rule

354 Temujin  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:14:32am

re: #345 victor_yugo

Small town (pop. ~20K).

For most of what I do on the computer, the speed doesn't really bother me. WTF . . .

355 stuiec  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:14:48am

re: #348 Badge of Kaffir Pride

"RICO! YOUNGBLOOD! Break up those barrels!"

"Right away, Mr. Ness!"

/cleaning up Chicago never changes

356 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:16:18am

re: #352 vbspurs

I thought I disliked Obama, but man, the PUMAs are beyond hatred. ;)

Yup, and if this is the "Guess what we've got" tomorrow from McPalin, they're going to have about 1658723658971364571365 felony counts to cheer about.

357 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:16:55am

In lighter news, Palin will drop the puck at the Philadelphia Flyers home opener Saturday (versus the New York Rangers)!

[Link: www.the700level.com...]

The commenters over at the forum are being terminally stupid about this. Yes, she might be booed, but one person said:

This is a bad move. She will get booed. Flyers fans are the most working class team out of them all! How many union workers do you think will be in attendance at the game? Now they want a Republican to drop the puck?

I already replied that the Palins are THE EPITOME of blue-collar folks, and they are both union members...I mean, by now, you'd think people would've found out about her story. Sheesh.

358 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:17:37am

Slightly OT: there are rumbling(s) of a Army alert because of this. Expecting riots allegedly.

359 Fearless Fred  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:17:43am

re: #341 Alberta Oil Peon

There was a time, at least in B.C., that if you were in possession of a Free Miner's Certificate, you could get a permit to carry a handgun in the bush. The law recognized, quite reasonably, that toting a long gun, in addition to the other tools that a prospector might be expected to need, was impractical.

I've had an FMC for years, and never bothered to get a permit to carry a handgun, although I've packed a rifle in bear country. I've seen bears, and even had one walk right past the tent in which I was sleeping, but never had to shoot at one.

I have been in the bush on several occasions in the company of people who were toting handguns. Even got to shoot a few rounds.

No need for a gun to scare away the bears ..... you only need a black dagger !

Fearless

360 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:19:48am

re: #358 Badge of Kaffir Pride

Slightly OT: there are rumbling(s) of a Army alert because of this. Expecting riots allegedly.

Hate to quote myself but it's a comment from the FR site.

361 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:20:35am

re: #358 Badge of Kaffir Pride

Slightly OT: there are rumbling(s) of a Army alert because of this. Expecting riots allegedly.

About what?

362 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:20:57am

re: #358 Badge of Kaffir Pride

Slightly OT: there are rumbling(s) of a Army alert because of this. Expecting riots allegedly.

Yes...God hope this doesn't happen. I don't want America to look like France two summers ago.

Carville was mouthing off about riots if Obama loses on CNN. A Lizard claimed he was secretly conservative the other day. My Left Foot.

[Link: newsbusters.org...]

363 Alberta Oil Peon  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:21:04am

re: #359 Fearless Fred

No need for a gun to scare away the bears ..... you only need a black dagger !

Fearless

Heh! Scared me away, too.

364 gmsc  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:21:44am

re: #343 vbspurs

There's more. Jonathan Martin of Politico says that McCain's camp has promised "something to talk about" Thursday morning.

And treat this as the rumour it currently is at a Hillary Clinton forum, but an insider claims the mother of all October Surprises is cooking.

Hint: ACORN. RICO.

(Sorry I've been away! I've been blogging up a storm, and commenting in places where McCain needed a voice)

Interesting, especially if anything comes of it. There's only one way to describe this!

365 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:22:02am

re: #361 TheMatrix31

About what?

Read my #343 that Badge was responding to. It's about a possible October Surprise which would derail Obama's campaign.

366 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:22:06am

re: #361 TheMatrix31

About what?

About the ACORN shite that's allegedly going to hit the fan tomorrow a.m. Supposedly the riots will be 'cause Bush-Cheney are stealing this election but I suppose not everyone knows the 22nd Amendment.

367 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:23:25am

re: #364 gmsc

Interesting, especially if anything comes of it. There's only one way to describe this!

LOL! I hated that song.

Remember this one?

368 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:23:47am

Oh yeah, I read the 343, I just didn't know if that comment you c/p'ed was in reference to that or the Mocha Messiah losing the Presidency.

369 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:23:48am

Oops, linkie-poo:

370 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:25:15am

re: #368 TheMatrix31

Oh yeah, I read the 343, I just didn't know if that comment you c/p'ed was in reference to that or the Mocha Messiah losing the Presidency.

Matrix, I'm not on board with "Mocha Messiah"...but yes, it has to do with his possibly being in a whole mess of trouble if this is true.

371 gmsc  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:25:17am

re: #367 vbspurs

LOL! I hated that song.

Remember this one?

We all hated it, but there's not a lot of songs with "RICO" in them to choose from.

372 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:25:44am

Any Cowboys fans here? I guess they're all Dems at heart.

Cowboys registered for Obama in Nevada

373 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:26:16am

re: #371 gmsc

We all hated it, but there's not a lot of songs with "RICO" in them to choose from.

I loved it hearing it though. Thanks! It frightened my dog. ;)

374 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:27:08am

My bad, actual linky.

[Link: www.sodahead.com...]

375 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:27:29am

re: #341 Alberta Oil Peon

There was a time, at least in B.C., that if you were in possession of a Free Miner's Certificate, you could get a permit to carry a handgun in the bush. The law recognized, quite reasonably, that toting a long gun, in addition to the other tools that a prospector might be expected to need, was impractical.

I've had an FMC for years, and never bothered to get a permit to carry a handgun, although I've packed a rifle in bear country. I've seen bears, and even had one walk right past the tent in which I was sleeping, but never had to shoot at one.

I have been in the bush on several occasions in the company of people who were toting handguns. Even got to shoot a few rounds.

bear in mind i'm not advocating shooting every bear who comes by looking for food, but if it comes down to protecting someone who took the precautions and the bear goes nuts, we're short one bear.

stupid people that don;t take the necessary precautions are on their own. i'm a firm believer in natural selection.

376 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:27:52am

re: #372 Badge of Kaffir Pride

Any Cowboys fans here? I guess they're all Dems at heart.

Cowboys registered for Obama in Nevada

That was reported on Friday, when the offices of ACORN were raided in Nevada. However, this is where it gets interestin'.

Karl Rove was seen in Vegas on Friday, after the ACORN raided story broke. I wonder if he found some interesting juicy bits to report, and was waiting for a concerted October Surprise attack?

377 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:28:05am

re: #358 Badge of Kaffir Pride

Slightly OT: there are rumbling(s) of a Army alert because of this. Expecting riots allegedly.

I'm not buying this. First- it's the whacko leftist who have threatened riots if 0bama loses. Two- the first time I saw this rumor you're reporting here was from a leftist at Politico. I wonder if they're not trying to use fascist scare tactics to smear the republicans.

378 Ledger1  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:28:24am

Here is some thinly veiled satire by Liberal Larry which lampoons Obama:

[Be careful because this is a spoof site - use grain of salt]

…desperate times for John McSame. His lipstick-adorned pig has been on the attack all day, erroneously claiming that Barack Obama has ties to Bill Ayers - an Anti-American Marxist who blew up buildings, murdered police officers and judges, and plotted a violent overthrow of the U.S. Government in the 1960's… She actually says it like it's a bad thing. Why Palin would want to energize Obama's base is beyond me...

I don't know about you guys, but if I refused to participate in any progressive organizations that had a known domestic terrorist on it's board, I'd never get anything done... Besides, if Obama refused to take money from every America-hating Marxist who supported his candidacy, he would have only three cents in his war chest with which to fight… John McSame.


See: Liberal Larry

379 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:30:08am

re: #377 Sharmuta

I'm not buying this. First- it's the whacko leftist who have threatened riots if 0bama loses. Two- the first time I saw this rumor you're reporting here was from a leftist at Politico. I wonder if they're not trying to use fascist scare tactics to smear the republicans.

Wouldn't surprise me at all if that's what it was: a smear tactic. But that's what the GOP is known for, right?

/Sorry, wrong party.

380 victor_yugo  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:30:10am

re: #354 Temujin

Small town (pop. ~20K).

For most of what I do on the computer, the speed doesn't really bother me. WTF . . .

20K means you probably have a central office (CO) somewhere, reasonably nearby. Heck, a tiny town of ~10,500 near here has its own CO.

To offer DSL, the telco needs a minimum line quality, which virtually guarantees at least 33.6K connections for conventional modems, possibly as high as 41K or even 48K.

Not saying you should just go out and get DSL; just that you probably have a serious line quality issue.

381 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:31:16am

re: #377 Sharmuta

I'm not buying this. First- it's the whacko leftist who have threatened riots if 0bama loses.

It reminds me uncomfortably of that stupid Marshal Law rumour (Oct. 1st came and went, where is my curfew? Idiots).

382 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:31:29am

re: #343 vbspurs

[Link: hillbuzz.wordpress.com...]

Interesting- we've heard for at least a week or so now that rezco might be singing to prosecutors.

383 Alberta Oil Peon  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:32:27am

re: #375 redc1c4

bear in mind i'm not advocating shooting every bear who comes by looking for food, but if it comes down to protecting someone who took the precautions and the bear goes nuts, we're short one bear.

stupid people that don;t take the necessary precautions are on their own. i'm a firm believer in natural selection.

I think we are mostly on the same page on this. There are instances where bears will attack without provocation, but mostly the people who get hurt have done something that the bear reads as weakness or as an opportunity to feed. You leave food out, the bear thinks it's his.

Usually when I'm in the bush, I'm making enough noise swearing at the tag alder and devil's club that any bears within earshot run away and put their paws over their ears.

384 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:33:16am

[Link: hillbuzz.wordpress.com...]

If this is true- holy hell!

385 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:33:50am

That Intrade thing is pretty funny, too. See #227.. if that's true, could John be making bank off of his own candidacy? LOL That'd be hilarious!

386 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:33:50am

VB- did you put this in the spinoffs?

387 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:33:52am

re: #382 Sharmuta

Interesting- we've heard for at least a week or so now that rezco might be singing to prosecutors.

Precisely what I blogged about just now, Sharm.

I would say that of the two rumours currently being floated as the much vaunted October Surprise (the other that Obama was affiliated with the Socialist Party in the 90s) that this is the stronger of the two.

Patrick Fitzgerald is, after all, the lead fed. prosecutor in the Rezko case. I wonder if Tony sang...

388 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:34:51am

re: #386 Sharmuta

VB- did you put this in the spinoffs?

May I claim ignorance? I've never done so before. Let me learn real quick. :)

389 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:35:18am

re: #349 IslandLibertarian

better they be armed. no need to call for permission........

As I've posted here before, I believe that weapons training should be a mandatory high school class.
And every household required to have a weapon for each adult.

/keeps crime down in Switzerland I hear.

are you deliberately trying to scare the sheep?

guns are bad!
/end Barbie voice

390 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:37:33am

I done did it. My first spinoff link. Thanks, Sharmuta!

391 Temujin  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:37:37am

re: #380 victor_yugo

Yes, I'm sure I could get DSL; I've even told myself at times that I really should.

Then again, if I did that, I might have to attempt to seriously learn some shit about things like photography, YouTube, downloading MP3s & all the crap I've been avoiding. Not sure I'm ready to climb all those learning curves . . .

392 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:37:55am

re: #358 Badge of Kaffir Pride

Slightly OT: there are rumbling(s) of a Army alert because of this. Expecting riots allegedly.

i call bull shit. plain & simple.

393 Neo Con since 9-11  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:38:01am

I'd urge everyone to calm down about this alleged upcoming RICO indictment. Barry has been wallowing in sh1t for twelve years now and it hasn't hurt his campaign. Even if he were found guilty of a RICO violation and gnawing on the body of a young child, the 48% of Americans who worship him would still support his campaign. If we expect McCain to win this, we still need to fight in the trenches. Contact every person you know.

394 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:38:27am

I can't even concentrate on my HW anymore cuz of this rumor, haha.

395 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:38:44am

re: #387 vbspurs

Precisely what I blogged about just now, Sharm.

I would say that of the two rumours currently being floated as the much vaunted October Surprise (the other that Obama was affiliated with the Socialist Party in the 90s) that this is the stronger of the two.

Patrick Fitzgerald is, after all, the lead fed. prosecutor in the Rezko case. I wonder if Tony sang...

Rumors have been persistent that he's been singing. They delayed his sentencing which fueled the rumor more.

396 JacksonTn  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:38:55am

ORGANIZER TACTICS PART II:

And I got this crap from researching Obama ....... see my previous posts.
I was scared shitless after reading the other long evaluation from a definite high up in this organizer world but this crap is right out of Obama's campaign and it is from 1996. Scary stuff ......... they are taking over our children ........ colleges are they most ripe for them ........

We have to defeat these people ...........

[Link: comm-org.utoledo.edu...]

I hope tomorrow brings something good .......

Good Night Lizards

397 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:40:04am

re: #392 redc1c4

i call bull shit. plain & simple.

I said allegedly. *shrug* I can't wait for 9am, though... or whatever time this all comes down.

398 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:40:25am

re: #393 Neo Con since 9-11

I'd urge everyone to calm down about this alleged upcoming RICO indictment. Barry has been wallowing in sh1t for twelve years now and it hasn't hurt his campaign.

There is only one thing that I can say about this, because otherwise I agree with you.

It's just that RICO charges are very very serious (duh, I know). It has the capability of bringing down so many in the Democratic Party, if corruption was abetted or encouraged by the higher-ups.

399 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:41:00am

in my best Chris Farley voice..."Remember in the movie "Dave", when the bad guy was sitting in front of the TV with his friends and he'd just launched his presidential campaign, and fake president Dave was addressing congress and the bad guy said "Now you're finished putz!" and fake president Dave confessed to all the crimes AND implicated the bad guy and then the bad guy is sitting in his livingroom all alone 'cause all his friends left him? Wouldn't that be cool to see happen to a certain "O"?

/sleep deprivation no doubt.

400 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 9, 2008 1:42:26am