VDH: Line of the Day
Opinion | Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 3:04:21 pm PDT
Victor Davis Hanson gets the line of the day: What Is Wisdom?
Perhaps salmon fishing or moose-hunting might have been of value in reifying the more abstract wisdom found in Niebuhr.
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Opinion | Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 3:04:21 pm PDT
Victor Davis Hanson gets the line of the day: What Is Wisdom?
Perhaps salmon fishing or moose-hunting might have been of value in reifying the more abstract wisdom found in Niebuhr.
335 comments
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Occasional Reader Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:06:04pm |
Reinhold Niebuhr... slowly I turned.
Bad memories of having to slog through his stuff in a college theology class.
I guess I'm not as smart as Joe Biden.
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doppelganglander Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:06:09pm |
Ok, I'll admit it, I had to look up reify.
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noshariaincanada Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:07:27pm |
What is wisdom?
In this lizard's case it is to avoid having so much faith in the system/markets that your entire net worth is wiped out in about two weeks.
Too bad I only got the wisdom after the fact.
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calvin coolidge Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:10:25pm |
antonym of wisdom: a slick chicago politician
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jaunte Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:11:27pm |
One reason Obama reads Niebuhr:
"Niebuhr was born in Missouri in 1892, the son of a German-born minister of the German Evangelical Synod of North America. He was trained for the ministry at the Synod's Eden Theological Seminary and at the Yale Divinity School. In the 1920's he took a church in industrial Detroit, the scene of bitter labor-capital conflict. Niebuhr's sympathies lay with the unions, and he joined Norman Thomas's Socialist Party."
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"Niebuhr was a critic of national innocence, which he regarded as a delusion. After all, whites coming to these shores were reared in the Calvinist doctrine of sinful humanity, and they killed red men, enslaved black men and later on imported yellow men for peon labor - not much of a background for national innocence. "Nations, as individuals, who are completely innocent in their own esteem," Niebuhr wrote, "are insufferable in their human contacts."
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
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DeafDog Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:11:43pm |
The article was a good read, but that was not the line of the day.
Line of the day still goes to Rush for saying, "Palin and Yosemite Sam are having a raucous town hall."
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MandyManners Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:12:23pm |
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Cap'n DOC Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:12:28pm |
re: #7 bosforus
Is he in a lane that offers him a Right Turn on Red?
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Nevergiveup Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:13:01pm |
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Dianna Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:13:32pm |
Thank you, Charles.
This short essay covers so much ground, so well, that I'm tempted to be for a reprint here!
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MandyManners Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:13:50pm |
re: #8 jaunte
"Nations, as individuals, who are completely innocent in their own esteem," Niebuhr wrote, "are insufferable in their human contacts."
Sounds like BHO himself.
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FightingBack Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:14:31pm |
I sit on a Board with 3 (count 'em) Harvard Law grads. They are very, very, adept at getting their way. There is isn't much additional value added. Getting their way, that's about it.
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bosforus Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:15:07pm |
re: #12 Cap'n DOC
Is he in a lane that offers him a Right Turn on Red?
Does that mean is he leaving a way out for himself?
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jaunte Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:15:21pm |
re: #15 MandyManners
I'd take that as proof that he's not as deep a reader as he pretends.
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MandyManners Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:16:14pm |
re: #13 Nevergiveup
Yeah, but Who can afford it after the last few days?
[Link: upload.wikimedia.org...]
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MandyManners Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:17:10pm |
re: #18 jaunte
I'd take that as proof that he's not as deep a reader as he pretends.
Narcissists hear only what reinforces their high self-opinions.
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jaunte Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:17:24pm |
re: #15 MandyManners
Here's another illuminating Niebuhr quote from that NYT article:
Against absolutism Niebuhr insisted on the "relativity of all human perspectives,"
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eon Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:17:47pm |
Essentially, Niebuhr held that since all power corrupts, the best way to use it was to do whatever the h**l you wanted to, whenever you wanted to, and to whomever you wanted to. On the grounds that you were being "honest" when you did so.
If Obama thinks Niebuhr is a great role model, he's in good company.
Lenin, Trotsky, Mao, and Adolf all liked him too.
cheers
eon
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Querent Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:18:22pm |
re: #22 eon
Essentially, Niebuhr held that since all power corrupts, the best way to use it was to do whatever the h**l you wanted to, whenever you wanted to, and to whomever you wanted to. On the grounds that you were being "honest" when you did so.
If Obama thinks Niebuhr is a great role model, he's in good company.
Lenin, Trotsky, Mao, and Adolf all liked him too.
cheers
eon
Power Corrupts.
Absolute Power is kinda neat...
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willowone Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:19:50pm |
re: #19 MandyManners
i prefer Yogi berrs-isms ." I want to thank you for making this day necessary"
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Nevergiveup Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:20:25pm |
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Querent Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:20:50pm |
re: #29 Nevergiveup
Don't bears eat out of the garbage?
hey booboo, i think we found ourselves a pick-a-nick basket?
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A Kiwi Infidel Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:21:55pm |
"Fear the LORD, that is wisdom"
Job 28:28
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Nevergiveup Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:22:10pm |
re: #31 Querent
hey booboo, i think we found ourselves a pick-a-nick basket?
Maybe they should make Boo-Boo Sect.of the Treasury?
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IslandLibertarian Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:23:08pm |
" Brooks also spent time praising Obama's intellect and skills in social perception,
Leftists love to worship at each others temples. Kind of an incestuous clique.
It's an elite thing.
NObama!
NoElitism!
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Pawn of the Oppressor Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:23:43pm |
Leave it to the NYT to excuse not having an internal shutoff for your mouth as being a virtue. How do these jokers write this stuff without laughing?
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Cap'n DOC Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:25:26pm |
re: #13 Nevergiveup
I catch my own - and smoke it - and can it.
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itellu3times Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:25:39pm |
re: #22 eon
Essentially, Niebuhr held that since all power corrupts, the best way to use it was to do whatever the h**l you wanted to, whenever you wanted to, and to whomever you wanted to. On the grounds that you were being "honest" when you did so.
Um, I'm not exactly a Niebuhr scholar, but that doesn't sound quite like Niebuhr to me, could you supply any kind of linky, ... you couldn't possibly be thinking of Nietzsche?
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pbird Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:26:07pm |
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Nevergiveup Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:26:11pm |
re: #36 Cap'n DOC
I catch my own - and smoke it - and can it.
Got access to fed-ex next day out there?
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A Kiwi Infidel Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:26:12pm |
re: #29 Nevergiveup
Don't bears eat out of the garbage?
Only if you're smarter than the average bear!
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IslandLibertarian Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:26:18pm |
re: #35 Pawn of the Oppressor
Leave it to the NYT to excuse not having an internal shutoff for your mouth as being a virtue. How do these jokers write this stuff without laughing?
I'll bet they are laughing, knowing that it's being eaten up by the lemmings and destroying the United States of America.
Bastards!
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JohnnyReb Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:26:55pm |
re: #35 Pawn of the Oppressor
Leave it to the NYT to excuse not having an internal shutoff for your mouth as being a virtue. How do these jokers write this stuff without laughing?
I have found in my 50+ years, that any writer who uses words that the average person needs to look up in a dictionary, is writing above his pay grade and has absolutely no clue what the hell he/she is writing about.
They are usually just spouting some sort or propaganda line and had to look up new words to define it.
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JustAGal Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:26:59pm |
re: #19 null
Bluefish - snagged 20 of them out of the old Chesterpeake this weekend and smoked all the filets - cheap for the price of a headboat trip. And they're delish
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MandyManners Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:27:07pm |
re: #21 jaunte
Here's another illuminating Niebuhr quote from that NYT article:
Against absolutism Niebuhr insisted on the "relativity of all human perspectives,"
Doesn't that go to what BHO said about evil?
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opnion Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:27:08pm |
It seems to me that all of the Obama worshipers are victims of arrested development. They need the almost supernatural hero & it really doesn't matter that in the case he has no real accomplishments or workable ideas.
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Eowyn2 Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:27:13pm |
I'd rather be Hunting
I'd rather be Fishing
ANYTHING but Reifying Neibuhr
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Cap'n DOC Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:27:16pm |
re: #17 bosforus
I suppose so - if it's gonna be a Party of One.
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Miss Molly Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:27:38pm |
As always Dr. Hanson gives us a clear vision of what is really going on in the Presidential campaigne. He so sees through all these pretencious left wing twerps. Brooks and Obama will never have Dr. Hanson's intellectual gifts.
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godfrey Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:28:11pm |
Niebuhr... wasn't he some sort of pacifist theologian? Didn't he do some anti-nuke agitation and bring up "just war" principles?
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MandyManners Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:28:25pm |
re: #29 Nevergiveup
Don't bears eat out of the garbage?
SLANDER!SLANDER!SLANDER!
What's next? You're gonna' call Yogi a pedophile?
*rad*
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Oriculum Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:28:30pm |
This is referencing two threads back, but Jar-Jar Biden isn't nearly as funny as I would have hoped.
See for yourself...
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Soona' Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:28:53pm |
re: #33 Nevergiveup
Maybe they should make Boo-Boo Sect.of the Treasury?
Doesn't he already have Winnie the Pooh as Sec. of State?
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Cap'n DOC Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:29:04pm |
re: #39 Nevergiveup
Yup. They sometimes deliver by Stage Coach (I'm in MT). I'm kidding on the last part.
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MandyManners Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:29:14pm |
Speaking of food, The Kid is taking me out to dinner.
bbl
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JohnnyReb Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:29:16pm |
re: #43 JustAGal
Bluefish - snagged 20 of them out of the old Chesterpeake this weekend and smoked all the filets - cheap for the price of a headboat trip. And they're delish
About the only thing you can do with bluefish is smoke them. We do the same here in CT. They are some oily fish. But if done right, low and slow with just a hint of smoke, they are fine.
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Luigi Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:29:56pm |
The return of short sellers to the US market after a near-three-week ban was blamed for a sharp drop in prices on Thursday as General Motors and Morgan Stanley led stock markets sharply lower.
[Link: www.ft.com...]
This is probably healthy. Now if we can only get the US government to stop meddling with natural forces, maybe we can find a bottom.
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nyc redneck Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:30:00pm |
it is disgusting to hear grown men talk abt. getting leg tingles when they hear that buffoon speak.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:30:17pm |
re: #55 JohnnyReb
About the only thing you can do with bluefish is smoke them. We do the same here in CT. They are some oily fish. But if done right, low and slow with just a hint of smoke, they are fine.
And all these years I thought Dr. Seuss made up "blue fish" just to get a rhyme...
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godfrey Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:30:22pm |
Ah...
See, this is all about the "intelligentsia" feeling like they will have their revenge on reality when Obama (who coddles to them) gets into Power, and wields it.
He's the intellectuelle fantasy.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:31:02pm |
re: #57 nyc redneck
it is disgusting to hear grown men talk abt. getting leg tingles
when they hear that buffoon speak.My feelings on the subject.
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IslandLibertarian Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:31:12pm |
re: #50 MandyManners
What's next? You're gonna' call Yogi a pedophile?
So..............how old is BooBoo?
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Cap'n DOC Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:31:19pm |
re: #55 JohnnyReb
Oily fish do indeed smoke the best. Something about burning the hydrocarbons - they're hard to keep lit.
/Once again, joking on the last part.
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Pawn of the Oppressor Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:32:15pm |
re: #42 JohnnyReb
I have found in my 50+ years, that any writer who uses words that the average person needs to look up in a dictionary, is writing above his pay grade and has absolutely no clue what the hell he/she is writing about.
They are usually just spouting some sort or propaganda line and had to look up new words to define it.
It's not just a matter of being clueless (though they are). It's the Mt. Rushmore-sized double standard they apply in favor of Democrats.
If Biden was a Repub, they'd be saying he was insane, off his meds, couldn't figure out how to put his socks on in the morning, that the strokes had crippled him, et cetera. But this key-punching a-hole sits there with a straight face and emits his great wisdom, that the inability to temper your speech is ADMIRABLE? All because it serves the Greater Goal of electing Dear Leader.
I know they do this all the time. I know this double- (and in the case of female or black republicans, TRIPLE-) standard has been SOP for these clowns for decades. But it never ceases to amaze me just how far they will bend over, and how much of a knot they will tie themselves into, to excuse or re-write the story of any Democrat's character flaw, no matter how grievous or damaging.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:32:38pm |
re: #53 null
Yup. They sometimes deliver by Stage Coach (I'm in MT). I'm kidding on the last part.
Well I was referring to you shipping me some of that home made smoked Salmon? But I was also hoping the market would rebound today. I was also hoping the Yankees were gonna win the Series this year, so you see how my year is going!
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eon Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:32:59pm |
re: #35 Pawn of the Oppressor
Leave it to the NYT to excuse not having an internal shutoff for your mouth as being a virtue. How do these jokers write this stuff without laughing?
Much as I loathe the clown (and I have done so for over three decades), I have to admit that Biden is the most useful idiot on the left. Mainly because you can always count on Joe the Mouth to blurt out whatever his party's leaders are really up to, even or especially when they'd rather you didn't know what they had in mind until it was too late.
I've never been too sure whether Biden does it to prove he's "the smartest guy in the room", or just as a way of rubbing everyone else's nose in the idea that "I'm in charge, and you aren't".
Either way, he's a great "mine canary" to tell you when the Dems are about to do something reckless, stupid, autocratic, and/or any two or more of the above.
Sort of like another famous "talker":
"So, what'll we do tomorrow night, Brain?""The same thing we do every night, Pinky.
"Try to take over the world!"
/ I leave you to guess which of the two Joe the Mouth is
cheers
eon
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opnion Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:33:14pm |
re: #61 IslandLibertarian
What's next? You're gonna' call Yogi a pedophile?
So..............how old is BooBoo?
Boo Boo is a cub, not one of the one's that just tanked the playoffs though.
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Charles Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:33:31pm |
They're covering this "New Party" story now on Brit Hume's show - I remain skeptical about its veracity, and about its significance even if true.
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Fat Jolly Penguin Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:33:48pm |
re: #51 Oriculum
This is referencing two threads back, but Jar-Jar Biden isn't nearly as funny as I would have hoped.
See for yourself...
That can't be Smirky. Where are the hair plugs?
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Pawn of the Oppressor Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:33:59pm |
re: #65 eon
/ I leave you to guess which of the two Joe the Mouth is
cheers
eon
Your analogy breaks down in one critical way: Brain wasn't a coward. Biden is.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:34:09pm |
re: #66 opnion
Boo Boo is a cub, not one of the one's that just tanked the playoffs though.
OOh, that's gonna leave a mark!
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Scion9 Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:34:28pm |
Heh.
Obama's campaign about his connections to New Party; "Don't believe the trash you read on the internet."
Unlike say, the mainstream media using dKos blogs as 'reliable sources' for their reporting in regards to Sarah Palin.
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JohnnyReb Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:34:50pm |
re: #62 Cap'n DOC
Oily fish do indeed smoke the best. Something about burning the hydrocarbons - they're hard to keep lit.
/Once again, joking on the last part.
Every time I bring smoked salmon or bluefish to a function I hear the same thing, but it seems I never bring any leftovers home. I always keep some back for myself before I bring it.
Oh and don't get me going on my homemade smoked jerky. I make about 3 times what I think I will bring, as me and the wife eat a bunch of it as it comes out of the smoker. It is a 4 day pain in the a** process. But well worth it.
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hermeneutics Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:35:04pm |
re: #49 null
Niebuhr... wasn't he some sort of pacifist theologian? Didn't he do some anti-nuke agitation and bring up "just war" principles?
There are two Niebuhrs -- Richard and Reinhold -- I don't remember if they are brothers or father-son. Reinhold is known for being a pacifist/communist and a just-war theorist. Richard is better known in liberal seminaries because of his Christ-and-culture writings and a book of that name.
They are horribly overrated, IMO. Yale required us as students to read them because of their strong connections to the university (graduates, professors.)
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opnion Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:35:43pm |
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eon Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:36:14pm |
re: #69 Pawn of the Oppressor
Your analogy breaks down in one critical way: Brain wasn't a coward. Biden is.
I know. I was comparing Biden to Pinky, actually.
Have to run, got a club meeting to go to. (Missed last month's.)
Later, Lizards.
cheers
eon
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saberry0530 Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:37:28pm |
re: #2 null
Reinhold Niebuhr... slowly I turned.
Bad memories of having to slog through his stuff in a college theology class.
I guess I'm not as smart as Joe Biden.
Nobody is as smart as Joe!
//////////////////////////////// (IS THERE ENOUGH SARC AVAILABLE)
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Ojoe Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:37:46pm |
What then is real wisdom?
Abraham Lincoln's secretary, who knew him for years, said that Lincoln did not have a quick mind, but that he was never under any illusion.
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Cap'n DOC Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:37:56pm |
re: #64 Nevergiveup
Well... I'd consider it, but the canning I do is in Mason Jars, which really don't ship all that well. If you've recovered by Inauguration (hell, we all may be broke by then), I'll do it. Most of the salmon fishing I do is through the ice, December thru March.
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bosforus Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:39:06pm |
Many of us are turning into imaginary Americans. Many of us are coming up null.
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Irene NYC Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:39:22pm |
re: #55 JohnnyReb
About the only thing you can do with bluefish is smoke them. We do the same here in CT. They are some oily fish. But if done right, low and slow with just a hint of smoke, they are fine.
Fishcakes made with onions, fennel, red pepper and a little bit of this and that. Outstanding.
;)
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Nevergiveup Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:39:24pm |
re: #78 Cap'n DOC
Well... I'd consider it, but the canning I do is in Mason Jars, which really don't ship all that well. If you've recovered by Inauguration (hell, we all may be broke by then), I'll do it. Most of the salmon fishing I do is through the ice, December thru March.
Shit by then I might be bankrupt, got any active duty navy billets out there?
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Cap'n DOC Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:39:48pm |
re: #72 JohnnyReb
Same here! I smoke venison - my son and I took a dozen whitetail (legally, I might add) last year, and we don't eat a lot of beef. Can it, smoke it and freeze it.
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Oriculum Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:39:56pm |
re: #68 Fat Jolly Penguin
That can't be Smirky. Where are the hair plugs?
Good point. Just don't really know where you'd put 'em.
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Eowyn2 Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:40:43pm |
re: #53 Cap'n DOC
Yup. They sometimes deliver by Stage Coach (I'm in MT). I'm kidding on the last part.
We gotta get the MT lizards together. I'll be at the city bar at about 5:30 having an adult beverage.
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saberry0530 Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:41:14pm |
Question for the day: Can your 401K go into the negatives?
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Cap'n DOC Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:41:21pm |
re: #81 Nevergiveup
LOL. I was FMF - Never set foot on a ship.
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Quilly Mammoth Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:41:31pm |
re: #73 null
There are two Niebuhrs -- Richard and Reinhold -- I don't remember if they are brothers or father-son. Reinhold is known for being a pacifist/communist and a just-war theorist. Richard is better known in liberal seminaries because of his Christ-and-culture writings and a book of that name.
They are horribly overrated, IMO. Yale required us as students to read them because of their strong connections to the university (graduates, professors.)
I'd have to say Reinhold. Reinhold's blending of theology and communist thought would match everything that Obama has done in the past. Ne _belieed_ in setting class struggle so that the lower classes would balance the upper classes in power.
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opnion Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:41:39pm |
re: #79 bosforus
Many of us are turning into imaginary Americans. Many of us are coming up null.
One of my favorite lines I have ever heard was from a Sociology prof on the radio. She was demanding rights for "Undocumented CITIZENS!"
Seriously
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Eowyn2 Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:41:39pm |
re: #71 Scion9
Heh.
Obama's campaign about his connections to New Party; "Don't believe the trash you read on the internet."
Unlike say, the mainstream media using dKos blogs as 'reliable sources' for their reporting in regards to Sarah Palin.
Kos Source: DU
DU Source: Politico
Politico Source: Kos
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Cap'n DOC Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:42:14pm |
re: #84 Eowyn2
Ummm. Only about 4 or five 'city' bars in this state. Which one?
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zombie Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:42:18pm |
Do the math:
Obama is about to spend at least $12 million on a half-hour informercial to air right before election day. An absolute propaganda extravaganza.
$12 million?!?!?!?!? Just for the two networks listed?
($100,000 for a 30-second spot x 2 = $200,000 for a 1-minute spot x 30 = $6 million for one network x 2 = $12 million for two networks.)
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arethusa Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:42:19pm |
re: #45 null
It seems to me that all of the Obama worshipers are victims of arrested development. They need the almost supernatural hero & it really doesn't matter that in the case he has no real accomplishments or workable ideas.
Yes, though I also have to say he's rather cunningly also adapted the whole rhetoric of needing to feel good about oneself that the younger generation is rife with: "Yes We Can," "You Did It!" etc. No losers. We're all winners.
And these are our future leaders? Bleah.
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Soona' Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:42:32pm |
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JacksonTn Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:42:49pm |
I think everyone should read this piece of sh*t's piece on his blog about his WeatherFucker days ........ you will vomit ....... he really really likes himself ...... remind you of anyone?
Weather Underground Redux
April 20, 2006
The Weather Underground, born Phoenix-like from the ashes of a terrible explosion that killed three of our leaders in Greenwich Village, New York on March 6, 1970, stormed fleetingly across the landscape at the tail end of that mythical and iconic age now simply called the Sixties. Originally a militant formation inside Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), the catalytic radical student group of its day, the Weather Underground rose, hot and angry, to—in our own terms—smite the war-mongers and strike against the race-haters. We went over the top. By the mid-1970’s the American war in Viet Nam had ended and the organization had effectively flamed out. Individuals made their twisty ways, singly and in small groups, upward and onward as best they could.
A palimsest—a ghostly smudge—remained, however, as a reminder that the phenomenon had once come to life, that it had indeed existed—vital, wild and animated—that there was something more to find and to see beneath the authorized story. The lessons and the legacy of that fugitive, ephemeral moment are, of course, contested—the ever-changing present, as always, unsettles and makes novel demands upon the past. We discover unforseen lenses with which to examine the ashes, we create fresh perspectives with which to rethink the details and make meaning of the larger contexts, the historical flow, the cultural and social surround. Revisiting the Weather Underground requires another look at what was said, and what we did.
Read the rest at his blog entry of 2006:
[Link: billayers.wordpress.com...]
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willowone Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:43:02pm |
Naturally, Barack Obama was an active part of ACORN at the time, helping it legally in court and helping it organize voters. By 1996, ACORN and the New Party were essentially the same body. Along with the Democratic Socialists of America, the New Party endorsed Barack Obama in his State Senate bid.
Obama began seeking the New Party endorsement in 1995[Link: www.discoverthenetworks.org...]
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doppelganglander Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:44:15pm |
re: #67 Charles
They're covering this "New Party" story now on Brit Hume's show - I remain skeptical about its veracity, and about its significance even if true.
I doubt Fox would run with it, even in a short segment like the Grapevine, if they weren't pretty confident about. I wish someone could find a disaffected ex-member who would spill the beans.
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bosforus Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:44:17pm |
re: #88 null
One of my favorite lines I have ever heard was from a Sociology prof on the radio. She was demanding rights for "Undocumented CITIZENS!"
Seriously
I got lucky, my Sociology teacher was a conservative. Miraculously.
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IslandLibertarian Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:44:21pm |
OT
Obama Buys Up 30 Minutes of Prime Time
the last line of the story:
Ross Perot famously aired a 30-minute ad during his independent presidential campaign in 1992, attracting 16.5 million viewers.
/worked out real well for Perot?
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Soona' Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:44:57pm |
re: #91 zombie
Do the math:
Obama is about to spend at least $12 million on a half-hour informercial to air right before election day. An absolute propaganda extravaganza.
$12 million?!?!?!?!? Just for the two networks listed?
($100,000 for a 30-second spot x 2 = $200,000 for a 1-minute spot x 30 = $6 million for one network x 2 = $12 million for two networks.)
Followed immediately by the Sham-Wow guy.
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Cap'n DOC Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:45:17pm |
re: #98 doppelganglander
Powerline had it this AM. They're not big undocumented accusations.
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Wishing Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:45:40pm |
Yesterday, or last night, rather, some links were posted to WE WILL NOT BE SILENT, a group of Dems who got burned by Obama thugs in the convention. The site is now gone..Did anyone save those vids?
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:46:40pm |
I asked my Republican mom why her first ever Dem vote was going to Obama. One of the reasons she gave was, "He's an intellectual." I asked what made her think that and she pointed out that he went to Harvard. I retorted that Bush, Kerry and countless other presidential candidates all went to Ivy League schools. Obama wrote two books, not about economics or sociology or history but about himself. I asked her to give an example of something Obama said or one of his proposals that was "intellectual". She gave no answer.
I think she's confusing intellectuals with utopian visionaries.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:46:50pm |
re: #98 doppelganglander
I doubt Fox would run with it, even in a short segment like the Grapevine, if they weren't pretty confident about. I wish someone could find a disaffected ex-member who would spill the beans.
Disaffected ex-member's are dealt with in the Ministry of Love and healed.
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Ojoe Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:46:56pm |
From Hanson's article
There is a report today (I think first offered in the Huffington Post) that David Brooks, the gifted New York Times columnist, has described Sarah Palin as a "fatal cancer" and part of a larger pernicious conservative trend:But there has been a counter, more populist tradition, which is not only to scorn liberal ideas but to scorn ideas entirely. And I'm afraid that Sarah Palin has those prejudices. I think President Bush has those prejudices.
It is a rock or stone which has no ideas.
What David Brooks will not admit to himself, is that his own ideas might not be correct, and Sarah Palin's ideas might be.
To that effect, here is the start of a list of wise people:
Abraham Lincoln
John XXIII
Don Bosco
James Watt
Frederick Douglass
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opnion Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:47:11pm |
re: #92 arethusa
Yes, though I also have to say he's rather cunningly also adapted the whole rhetoric of needing to feel good about oneself that the younger generation is rife with: "Yes We Can," "You Did It!" etc. No losers. We're all winners.
And these are our future leaders? Bleah.
That is well said. He is tapping into the idea of lets all feel good, just trust me. "Don't worry, be happy."
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Arkay Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:47:27pm |
"The problem with studying philosophy [in college] is that you remember just enough to screw you up for the rest of your life." - Steve Martin, 1977
And it's true. Credite experto.
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Typicalwhitey Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:47:29pm |
re: #91 zombie
Do the math:Obama is about to spend at least $12 million on a half-hour informercial to air right before election day. An absolute propaganda extravaganza.
$12 million?!?!?!?!? Just for the two networks listed?
($100,000 for a 30-second spot x 2 = $200,000 for a 1-minute spot x 30 = $6 million for one network x 2 = $12 million for two networks.)
I donated a hundred bucks to the GOP today.
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Pullus Iulius Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:47:41pm |
Whenever I learn a new word, I like to use it in conversation. I can't use "reify" in conversation. I see my spellcheck doesn't even consider it a word. Sad.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:47:50pm |
re: #105 Killgore Trout
I asked my Republican mom why her first ever Dem vote was going to Obama. One of the reasons she gave was, "He's an intellectual." I asked what made her think that and she pointed out that he went to Harvard. I retorted that Bush, Kerry and countless other presidential candidates all went to Ivy League schools. Obama wrote two books, not about economics or sociology or history but about himself. I asked her to give an example of something Obama said or one of his proposals that was "intellectual". She gave no answer.
I think she's confusing intellectuals with utopian visionaries.
Shit now i know we are in trouble.
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Pawn of the Oppressor Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:48:16pm |
re: #94 null
Read the rest at his blog entry of 2006:[Link: billayers.wordpress.com...]
No thanks. Hitler had better diction.
/reaches for "Mein Kampf"
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zombie Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:48:23pm |
re: #105 Killgore Trout
I asked my Republican mom why her first ever Dem vote was going to Obama. One of the reasons she gave was, "He's an intellectual." I asked what made her think that and she pointed out that he went to Harvard. I retorted that Bush, Kerry and countless other presidential candidates all went to Ivy League schools. Obama wrote two books, not about economics or sociology or history but about himself. I asked her to give an example of something Obama said or one of his proposals that was "intellectual". She gave no answer.
I think she's confusing intellectuals with utopian visionaries.
She's confusing intellectuals with someone who acts smart.
You know what they say about intellectuals...
"When I hear the word 'intellectual,' that's when I unlatch the safety mechanism on my Browning..."
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arethusa Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:48:40pm |
Mail arrives. Includes TIAA-CREF statement. Arethusa first puts it aside, pretty soon cannot stand the suspense. Eases it open, peeks inside. Ouch.
(Well, OK, it's been losing value all year, and what it lost in the third quarter is only about 35% of what it's lost since last September 30. Guess it could have been worse.)
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Kenneth Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:48:46pm |
VDH is at his most brilliant in this essay. Every paragraph is a insightful,
...everything from the faux-seal with its vero possumus pretensions, the Greek temple backdrops, the efforts to speak at the Brandenburg Gate, the mantra "we are the change we've been waiting for," the messianic idea that the seas and planet will likewise heel to His wisdom, and the inane 'hope and change' banalities do not suggest real wisdom at all, but a dazzling veneer that overlays a great deal of megalomania.
And this cuts to the core of the Obama problem:
...recall of Niehbuhr apparently offers Obama little ethical protection from the close association with the virulently racist Wright or warns him not to talk after 2001 with the now boastful and proud ex-terrorist Ayers, and no judgement about the moral course in the earlier conduct...
Knowledge without morality is not wisdom, but it is dangerous.
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Eowyn2 Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:48:47pm |
re: #91 zombie
Do the math:
Obama is about to spend at least $12 million on a half-hour informercial to air right before election day. An absolute propaganda extravaganza.
$12 million?!?!?!?!? Just for the two networks listed?
($100,000 for a 30-second spot x 2 = $200,000 for a 1-minute spot x 30 = $6 million for one network x 2 = $12 million for two networks.)
what, he couldnt get on as a sportscaster on Monday night football
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Nevergiveup Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:49:51pm |
"Russia hints it won't sell advanced missiles to Iran"
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
Manny hints that if your stupid enough to give him a 5 year $125 million plus contract he will really, really, truly always try and not just be manny being manny?
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Eowyn2 Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:50:00pm |
re: #92 arethusa
Yes, though I also have to say he's rather cunningly also adapted the whole rhetoric of needing to feel good about oneself that the younger generation is rife with: "Yes We Can," "You Did It!" etc. No losers. We're all winners.
And these are our future leaders? Bleah.
and when he wins we all get little bitty trophies:)
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:50:46pm |
re: #116 zombie
She's confusing intellectuals with someone who acts smart.
What odd is that she's a PhD. She knows the difference.
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Dianna Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:50:54pm |
re: #105 Killgore Trout
While I think that was a marvellous argument, I hope your mom was feeling tolerant.
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Pawn of the Oppressor Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:51:01pm |
Simple question for Barry O:
Why do you hang out with assholes?
Please limit the length of your answer to one sentence.
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opnion Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:51:05pm |
re: #105 Killgore Trout
Does anybody find it odd that Barry was paid to write two biographies before he had much of a biography? Who was pushing for this guy & who is behind him now?
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pat Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:51:09pm |
That 'fatal cancer' is now drawing crowds that exceed Obama's. So says Rush.
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arethusa Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:51:24pm |
re: #121 Eowyn2
and when he wins we all get little bitty trophies:)
And he takes us out for ice cream! :-)
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LEGION Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:51:26pm |
[Link: patdollard.com...]
Banned Sat. nite live skit blaming the dirty Dems and the Sandlers and Soros for the financial collapse.
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willowone Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:51:27pm |
Obama could set out to run. And he did. Obama sought the New Party endorsement, which required him to sign a contract that he would keep up his relationship with the New Party[Link: archive.redstate.com...]
The political entourage included Alderman Michael Chandler, William Delgado, chief of staff for State Rep Miguel del Valle, and spokespersons for State Sen. Alice Palmer, Sonya Sanchez, chief of staff for State Sen. Jesse Garcia, who is running for State Rep in Garcia’s District; and Barack Obama, chief of staff for State Sen
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Eowyn2 Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:51:41pm |
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:51:46pm |
re: #124 Dianna
I hope your mom was feeling tolerant.
No, she's not a "tolerant" person. I'm used to it though.
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Eowyn2 Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:52:05pm |
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yochanan Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:52:09pm |
re: #100 null
OT
Obama Buys Up 30 Minutes of Prime Timethe last line of the story:
Ross Perot famously aired a 30-minute ad during his independent presidential campaign in 1992, attracting 16.5 million viewers./worked out real well for Perot?
WORKED OUT REAL WELL FOR SLICK WILLIE
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LEGION Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:52:14pm |
re: #125 Pawn of the Oppressor
Birds of a feather flock together.
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Eowyn2 Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:52:46pm |
re: #126 opnion
Does anybody find it odd that Barry was paid to write two biographies before he had much of a biography? Who was pushing for this guy & who is behind him now?
Soros
soros
soros.
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JohnnyReb Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:53:10pm |
re: #125 Pawn of the Oppressor
Simple question for Barry O:
Why do you hang out with assholes?
Please limit the length of your answer to one sentence.
I have instructed my LPO when answering my questions or giving explanations, to limit himself to two sentences and no run on sentences. It seems to work for me.
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LEGION Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:53:17pm |
re: #119 null
what, he couldnt get on as a sportscaster on Monday night football
Dut duh duh daaaaaaaaa
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arethusa Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:53:42pm |
re: #133 Eowyn2
and root beer?
pretty please
Sure, why not? Uncle Sam'll foot the bill, through the 5% of people whose taxes he won't cut! :-P
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Ojoe Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:53:54pm |
re: #126 opnion
I have always thought that some really nefarious force was behind the guy.
Obama signs and books, and radio articles appeared like mushrooms; I felt the creepy beckoning finger, Ojoe, vote for me Ojoe, Yesssss ...
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doppelganglander Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:54:01pm |
re: #105 Killgore Trout
Maybe you could get her a copy of Paul Johnson's "Intellectuals" to help her get acquainted with the species.
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goddessoftheclassroom Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:54:26pm |
re: #112 Pullus Iulius
Whenever I learn a new word, I like to use it in conversation. I can't use "reify" in conversation. I see my spellcheck doesn't even consider it a word. Sad.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:54:29pm |
re: #138 JohnnyReb
I have instructed my LPO when answering my questions or giving explanations, to limit himself to two sentences and no run on sentences. It seems to work for me.
What is an LPO? Is that the Louisiana Philharmonic Orchestra?
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Eowyn2 Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:54:49pm |
re: #141 arethusa
Sure, why not? Uncle Sam'll foot the bill, through the 5% of people whose taxes he won't cut! :-P
I have a sneaky spishon he wont be doin much cuttin of nobodys taxes. Jest a hunch.
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jpkoch Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:55:22pm |
I bet Biden has no idea who Niebuhr was - it was just something his handlers pulled off of Wiki to make him sound intellectual. What most people in this nation don't understand is that our nation's elite schools are not so elite anymore. The Latin Classical education went out decades ago, and the what use to pass as "The Classical Humanist" education went out the window circa 1969. Outside of the hard sciences, there is no rigour. Harvard, Stanford, Yale, Cornell, Univ of Chicago, and Princeton offer nothing more than an expensive social network in which graduates can capture fat Wall St jobs, get into prestigious law schools, or get offers from powerful Beltway interests.
In Obama's case, he could be called a slacker. What did he do with his Haravard Law degree? He became a shakedown artist and racial hustler. Like Bill Clinton before him, he used the best legal education money could buy to persue power. For both men thier "education" meant nothing to them.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:55:39pm |
re: #146 Walter L. Newton
What is an LPO? Is that the Louisiana Philharmonic Orchestra?
I thought it was a dyslexia member of the PLO?
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opnion Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:55:51pm |
re: #137 Eowyn2
Soros
soros
soros.
I think that it includes Soros , but goes beyond. Hell, I am now a conspiracy theory monger
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Cap'n DOC Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:56:01pm |
re: #140 Eowyn2
Ninety mile trip for a beer? Thanks, but I'll take a rain check and the next time I'm up that way, I'll take you up on that.
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goddessoftheclassroom Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:56:01pm |
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Nevergiveup Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:56:45pm |
re: #153 goddessoftheclassroom
I'd rather eat that than LIVE animal meat...
Certainly harder to catch, especially if you had a few!
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LEGION Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:56:45pm |
148: In Obama's case, he could be called a slacker. What did he do with his Haravard Law degree? He became a shakedown artist and racial hustler. Like Bill Clinton before him, he used the best legal education money could buy to persue power. For both men thier "education" meant nothing to them.
Only editor of the Harvard Law Review who never published an opinion editorial.
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willowone Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:57:17pm |
. Barack Obama, victor in the 13th State Senate District, encouraged NPers to join in his task forces on Voter Education and Voter Registration[Link: www.chicagodsa.org...]
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pat Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:57:30pm |
Wonderful. Jeff on Fox panel. Democratic landslide. Obama, filibuster proof Senate. 30 seats gained in house. 1978.
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opnion Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:57:33pm |
re: #142 Ojoe
I have always thought that some really nefarious force was behind the guy.
Obama signs and books, and radio articles appeared like mushrooms; I felt the creepy beckoning finger, Ojoe, vote for me Ojoe, Yesssss ...
Good ,I am not alone. After the inauguration we will both be dragged off for reeducation.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:58:15pm |
re: #151 opnion
I think that it includes Soros , but goes beyond. Hell, I am now a conspiracy theory monger
This guy didn't get where he is just working as a hall monitor in some neighborhood in Chi-town.
There's is a whole lot behind him. No, I don't have a whole lot of proof, but there is certainly a stink around him.
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Cap'n DOC Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:58:18pm |
re: #154 Eowyn2
Bingo. The Bars around here (except for the Montana City Bar are now Casinos. The Silver City Bar is out of business, or maybe just for the Summer, I don't know.
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opnion Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:58:52pm |
re: #156 LEGION
148: In Obama's case, he could be called a slacker. What did he do with his Haravard Law degree? He became a shakedown artist and racial hustler. Like Bill Clinton before him, he used the best legal education money could buy to persue power. For both men thier "education" meant nothing to them.
Only editor of the Harvard Law Review who never published an opinion editorial.
That's right, never happened before. He is a major fraud.
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lifeofthemind Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:59:05pm |
Most real Philosophers like the best academics in any field always impressed me by how modest, focused, unpretentious and open they are. The same goes for good artists, including very famous ones, attitude is for poseurs.
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MichaelAsher Thu, Oct 9, 2008 3:59:10pm |
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hermeneutics Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:00:07pm |
I find it interesting that Obama's purchase of airtime is for 29 October. Is there any significance to that date (other than the obvious, that it is close to the election date?)
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JohnnyReb Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:00:39pm |
re: #150 Nevergiveup
I thought it was a dyslexia member of the PLO?
A Navy term, Leading Petty Officer. My second in command, even though I am a civilian now.
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mama winger Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:01:07pm |
re: #160 Walter L. Newton
This guy didn't get where he is just working as a hall monitor in some neighborhood in Chi-town.
There's is a whole lot behind him. No, I don't have a whole lot of proof, but there is certainly a stink around him.
I have sometimes wondered if Stanley Ann Dunham, BO's communist activist mama, ever crossed paths with William Ayers or the SDS / Weather Underground in her youth during the 60's . I wonder if those connections did not perhaps embrace Obama in his later life.
This is just me, a-wonderin.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:01:27pm |
re: #119 Eowyn2
what, he couldnt get on as a sportscaster on Monday night football
thats above his pay scale
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nyc redneck Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:01:27pm |
re: #91 zombie
Do the math:
Obama is about to spend at least $12 million on a half-hour informercial to air right before election day. An absolute propaganda extravaganza.
$12 million?!?!?!?!? Just for the two networks listed?
($100,000 for a 30-second spot x 2 = $200,000 for a 1-minute spot x 30 = $6 million for one network x 2 = $12 million for two networks.)
of course he is. this is so typical for obama. what an extravagant expenditure. all abt. him. talking down to americans.
pompous assh*le.
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willowone Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:01:54pm |
I'm from Chicago, too, and known Obama from the time he came to the New
Party to get our endorsement for his first race ever. I've been in his home,
and as an IL legislator, he's helped or community technology movement a
number of times. He said all the right things to the ACORN and New Party
folks,[Link: archives.econ.utah.edu...]
[Link: newzeal.blogspot.com...]
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arethusa Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:02:08pm |
Gibson sits down with McCain tonight. Here's a transcript.
One of the best bits from McCain:
MCCAIN: No, actually I don't [think he's been vetted]. In fact, Sen. Clinton in their debates said that the American people didn't know enough about him, including his relationship with Mr. [William] Ayers. That's what she said. And I agree with that. He said he was a guy in the neighborhood. We know that's not true. He said — he wrote down a piece of paper that he would take public financing for his presidential campaign if I would. He betrayed the trust of the American people there.
He looked in the camera twice during the debate with Sen. Clinton and said, "I will sit down and negotiate with John McCain before I decide to forgo public financing for my campaign." He never called me. He looked in the camera and told the American people something that was patently false. He told the American people about his relationship with Mr. Ayers, that he was a guy in the neighborhood.
He wasn't a guy in the neighborhood. He launched his political career in his living room, in Mr. Ayers' living room. And I don't care about two washed-up old terrorists that are unrepentant about trying to destroy America. But I do care, and Americans should care, about his relationship with him and whether he's being truthful and candid about it.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:02:26pm |
Instapundit say correlation is not causation but y'all should look at this graph. I think other market fundamentals are driving this crisis but Obama's plans to triple the capital gains tax (among other things) means that the market has to adjust to the reality of the impending Obama years.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:02:31pm |
re: #7 null
Michael Savage is announcing his new party.
Who cares, he's an douchebag asshole nobody takes seriously.
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opnion Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:03:02pm |
re: #160 Walter L. Newton
This guy didn't get where he is just working as a hall monitor in some neighborhood in Chi-town.
There's is a whole lot behind him. No, I don't have a whole lot of proof, but there is certainly a stink around him.
Ya know, you just know intuitively that this guy did not just happen. I"m going deep now, when he went to Pahkeestahn with his college roommate, what did he do & who did he meet with?
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willowone Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:03:04pm |
re: #170 willowone
I'm from Chicago, too, and known Obama from the time he came to the New
Party to get our endorsement for his first race ever. I've been in his home,
and as an IL legislator, he's helped or community technology movement a
number of times. He said all the right things to the ACORN and New Party
folks,[Link: archives.econ.utah.edu...]
[Link: newzeal.blogspot.com...]
this article is from jan 19 2008
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Nevergiveup Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:03:12pm |
re: #172 Killgore Trout
Instapundit say correlation is not causation but y'all should look at this graph. I think other market fundamentals are driving this crisis but Obama's plans to triple the capital gains tax (among other things) means that the market has to adjust to the reality of the impending Obama years.
Well the good news is that soon there will be NO capital GAINS?
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mama winger Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:03:45pm |
re: #167 mama winger
Here is a link to a very good article on how Ayers might have been the man behind the curtain for Barack at a very early stage.
[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]
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Eowyn2 Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:04:06pm |
re: #161 Cap'n DOC
Silver City used to be open from Memorial Day to Labor day and occasionally longer. MT City Bar has great sammiches. used to go out there with an old boyfriend when lived in E. Helleena. Transferred up here about 7 yrs ago. I like it. Gets a tad windy sometimes but thats cool. I'll be running through there next sat on my way to the mining city and heading back on sunday. might stop at Dappers if my sis is hanging there watching the races but depends on roads etc.
Are there any other lizards around here?
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Wishing Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:04:07pm |
re: #104 Wishing
Yesterday, or last night, rather, some links were posted to WE WILL NOT BE SILENT, a group of Dems who got burned by Obama thugs in the convention. The site is now gone..Did anyone save those vids?
Anyone?
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Cap'n DOC Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:04:09pm |
re: #173 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Gives 'Right' a bad name.
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arethusa Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:04:13pm |
re: #167 mama winger
I have sometimes wondered if Stanley Ann Dunham, BO's communist activist mama, ever crossed paths with William Ayers or the SDS / Weather Underground in her youth during the 60's . I wonder if those connections did not perhaps embrace Obama in his later life.
This is just me, a-wonderin.
I think she would have been in Indonesia during the heyday of the Weather Underground? She moved there in 1967.
PS: Why does Wikipedia get away with giving Obama's middle name when the rest of us don't?
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Ojoe Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:04:40pm |
re: #173 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
IMHO Michael Savage is bad news; unremittingly negative. If I were an Abbot I would advise the monks not to listen to him.
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Soona' Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:04:49pm |
re: #158 pat
Wonderful. Jeff on Fox panel. Democratic landslide. Obama, filibuster proof Senate. 30 seats gained in house. 1978.
Don't think so. Americans are finally realizing what's at stake in this election, even though it doesn't show in the polls.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:05:39pm |
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Whiterasta Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:05:55pm |
Off topic, but indulge me:
How many of you have noticed how our "Friends" the Saudis and the rest of the oil leeches have stood up to help out the West in this time of financial trouble?
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:06:42pm |
re: #55 null
About the only thing you can do with bluefish is smoke them. We do the same here in CT. They are some oily fish. But if done right, low and slow with just a hint of smoke, they are fine.
But doesn't the oily fish catch the worm? : )
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Cap'n DOC Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:06:46pm |
re: #179 Eowyn2
Not that I know of. I think there maybe one down the Bitterroot, (a woman), but I don't remember her NIC right off-hand. She mentioned snow last April, and that's where we got it - SW MT.
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Eowyn2 Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:06:51pm |
re: #177 Nevergiveup
Well the good news is that soon there will be NO capital GAINS?
do we get money back from the gvmt if we have capitol gains losses?
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odinga Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:07:36pm |
I remember the good ole days when the only threats to our freedom were suitcase Nukes, islamo-fascism, anthrax, ebola, invading illegal aliens, the ozone hole, impact by a near earth object, mass extinction etc.
But now there is a far worse threat that makes all of the above shrink to a mere triviality. It goes by the name OBAMA.
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lifeofthemind Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:08:35pm |
re: #148 jpkoch
The Latin Classical education went out decades ago, and the what use to pass as "The Classical Humanist" education went out the window circa 1969. Outside of the hard sciences, there is no rigour. Harvard, Stanford, Yale, Cornell, Univ of Chicago, and Princeton offer nothing more than an expensive social network in which graduates can capture fat Wall St jobs, get into prestigious law schools, or get offers from powerful Beltway interests.
Chicago has seriously cut back on the Core and no longer requires Western Civ. As for the second part of your thesis, looks at shattered remains of career and sighs, do I sue someone or sign up somewhere to get mine? Which is the American way? BTW do not assume the "hard sciences" are protected. Larry Summers learned there is no limit to politics.
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:08:39pm |
re: #32 null
"Fear the LORD, that is wisdom"
Job 28:28
Kiwi -
No Kidding - add to that the fear of no man - and - the Humility to know that you do not, and likely cannot know everything.
-S-
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opnion Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:09:21pm |
re: #191 Whiterasta
Saying Obamas middle name is RACIST!
Yeah, & if you say "That One" it is code for , you know something really racist.
You Know at Klan Rally's I bet that they refer to Blacks as "That One" all of the time.
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mama winger Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:09:27pm |
re: #192 odinga
I remember the good ole days when the only threats to our freedom were suitcase Nukes, islamo-fascism, anthrax, ebola, invading illegal aliens, the ozone hole, impact by a near earth object, mass extinction etc.
But now there is a far worse threat that makes all of the above shrink to a mere triviality. It goes by the name OBAMA.
How will he be able to take the oath, "to protect the United States from enemies both foreign and domestic"
?
He will have to arrest half his family and friends in order to keep it. Possibly throw himself in the clink as well.
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uncleFuzzy Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:10:45pm |
Another great article by Mr. Hanson. I do so enjoy looking up words on Merriam-Webster so that I can more fully understand the man.
With all due respect, his articles generally remind me of Taggert's line at the end of this clip.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:11:46pm |
re: #67 null
They're covering this "New Party" story now on Brit Hume's show - I remain skeptical about its veracity, and about its significance even if true.
What is this "null" thing?
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Soona' Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:12:48pm |
re: #194 lifeofthemind
Chicago has seriously cut back on the Core and no longer requires Western Civ. As for the second part of your thesis, looks at shattered remains of career and sighs, do I sue someone or sign up somewhere to get mine? Which is the American way? BTW do not assume the "hard sciences" are protected. Larry Summers learned there is no limit to politics.
I.E. Global Warming
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vapig Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:12:50pm |
re: #192 odinga
I remember the good ole days when the only threats to our freedom were suitcase Nukes, islamo-fascism, anthrax, ebola, invading illegal aliens, the ozone hole, impact by a near earth object, mass extinction etc.
But now there is a far worse threat that makes all of the above shrink to a mere triviality. It goes by the name OBAMA.
And the obamunists that follow him.
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experiencedtraveller Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:13:56pm |
The better path is to go by on the other side toward justice; for justice in the end beats violence; But only when he has suffered does the fool learn this.
-Hesiod
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:14:09pm |
re: #91 null
Do the math:
Obama is about to spend at least $12 million on a half-hour informercial to air right before election day. An absolute propaganda extravaganza.
$12 million?!?!?!?!? Just for the two networks listed?
($100,000 for a 30-second spot x 2 = $200,000 for a 1-minute spot x 30 = $6 million for one network x 2 = $12 million for two networks.)
Zombie -
If my memory serves me correctly, and I AM old enough to remember watching it, Then Vice President Richard M. Nixon did the same thing in 1960.
May Sen. Obama have the same luck as former President Nixon had - IN 1960!
-S-
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pulchritudegirl Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:14:21pm |
VDH is giving a talk here in Fresno 10/23. Only $10... anyone want to meet me there?
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Cap'n DOC Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:14:31pm |
re: #193 Eowyn2
Not yet. We're a tad higher than you are - live by the Capital Complex. Weather guy says:
WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT FROM MIDNIGHT TONIGHT TO 6 PM MDT SUNDAY
Not a good sign. The roads will not freeze right away, which mean icey-dicey.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:14:53pm |
re: #165 null
I find it interesting that Obama's purchase of airtime is for 29 October. Is there any significance to that date (other than the obvious, that it is close to the election date?)
Well, on Halloween he'll be going around to old folks homes scaring them about us mean Republicans.
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Cast Iron Magnolia Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:18:25pm |
I am so weary (and angry) with all the "elite" yahoos who go around dripping their poison.....that Gov Palin is not qualified to be VP. It is my belief that the problem with government is that we have too many politicians working there.
We need to get rid of politicians and elect teachers, policemen, ex-military, housewives, small business owners, plumbers, etc. If we had "real" people in office, our government would be much better.
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Soona' Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:19:37pm |
re: #209 Cast Iron Magnolia
I am so weary (and angry) with all the "elite" yahoos who go around dripping their poison.....that Gov Palin is not qualified to be VP. It is my belief that the problem with government is that we have too many politicians working there.
We need to get rid of politicians and elect teachers, policemen, ex-military, housewives, small business owners, plumbers, etc. If we had "real" people in office, our government would be much better.
A moratorium on lawyers.
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godfrey Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:19:49pm |
re: #105 Killgore Trout
asked my Republican mom why her first ever Dem vote was going to Obama. One of the reasons she gave was, "He's an intellectual." I asked what made her think that and she pointed out that he went to Harvard. I retorted that Bush, Kerry and countless other presidential candidates all went to Ivy League schools. Obama wrote two books, not about economics or sociology or history but about himself. I asked her to give an example of something Obama said or one of his proposals that was "intellectual". She gave no answer.
I think she's confusing intellectuals with utopian visionaries.
I'm not saying your mom thinks this, but I wouldn't be surprised if some lefties, deep down, are excited that Obama appears to be a black intellectual. For them, that's a two-fer. That he's a socialist makes it a hat trick.
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arethusa Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:19:49pm |
re: #165 hermeneutics
I find it interesting that Obama's purchase of airtime is for 29 October. Is there any significance to that date (other than the obvious, that it is close to the election date?)
I don't think there are other good nights. The weekends have lower viewership. Really popular shows are on the networks on Thursdays. And running it November 3 would look Hail Mary-ish.
Unless 10/29 has some significance? He better hope that's not the day Osama releases a new tape.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:21:06pm |
re: #181 Cap'n DOC
Gives 'Right' a bad name.
I love it when The Great One™, Mark Levin, hammers Wiener Nation, I mean Savage.
Levin was saying last week that Wiener Nation's ratings are tanking almost everywhere.
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NomadOfNorad Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:21:21pm |
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Cast Iron Magnolia Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:21:41pm |
re: #210 Soona'
Yep, I forgot that - thanks for reminding me.
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bosforus Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:21:42pm |
re: #165 null
I find it interesting that Obama's purchase of airtime is for 29 October. Is there any significance to that date (other than the obvious, that it is close to the election date?)
10-29-2008
10*2=20
2*9=18
20*8=160
20+18+160=196
Hmmm....I've got nothin'
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seekeroftruth Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:22:47pm |
This video is posted over at Hillbuzz.com. I'm not sure if it is for real or not, so I don't want to post it in the links... It shows Louis Farrakhan calling Obama the messiah during what looks like a speech.
[Link: hillbuzz.wordpress.com...]
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arethusa Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:23:03pm |
re: #216 bosforus
10-29-2008
10*2=20
2*9=18
20*8=160
20+18+160=196
Hmmm....I've got nothin'
The stock market crash of 1929?
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:23:23pm |
re: #216 bosforus
10-29-2008
10*2=20
2*9=18
20*8=160
20+18+160=196
Hmmm....I've got nothin'
Hmmm... do these mean anything 4 8 15 16 23 42?
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JohnnyReb Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:23:59pm |
re: #216 bosforus
10-29-2008
10*2=20
2*9=18
20*8=160
20+18+160=196
Hmmm....I've got nothin'
Oh great, now we get math, nobody said there would be math questions. I am mathematically challenged.
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Pshawalaw Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:24:21pm |
re: #105 null
I asked my Republican mom why her first ever Dem vote was going to Obama. One of the reasons she gave was, "He's an intellectual." I asked what made her think that and she pointed out that he went to Harvard. I retorted that Bush, Kerry and countless other presidential candidates all went to Ivy League schools. Obama wrote two books, not about economics or sociology or history but about himself. I asked her to give an example of something Obama said or one of his proposals that was "intellectual". She gave no answer.
I think she's confusing intellectuals with utopian visionaries.
I think she is confusing intellectuals with poseurs!
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mama winger Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:24:53pm |
re: #217 seekeroftruth
This video is posted over at Hillbuzz.com. I'm not sure if it is for real or not, so I don't want to post it in the links... It shows Louis Farrakhan calling Obama the messiah during what looks like a speech.
[Link: hillbuzz.wordpress.com...]
It's real. You can find the longer version, about 9 and a half minutes, on You Tube as well. It dates back to a February speech I believe, but was just posted today. It will probably be disappeared soon.
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bulwrk Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:26:00pm |
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:26:45pm |
When I click on reply or quote, rather than show that particular lizard's nic, it says "null". Anybody know what's up with that? Charles?
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arethusa Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:27:31pm |
re: #224 loflyer
Arrr, evening mates, whats going on?
We're trying to figure out if October 29 is a significant date.
Other than, of course, it is the day the Phillies will lock up the World Series.
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Ojoe Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:27:36pm |
re: #209 Cast Iron Magnolia
Then government would work, because "real" people actually have to work and produce something.
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mama winger Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:27:42pm |
re: #217 seekeroftruth
Here is an article written about it at the time:
[Link: www.christianpost.com...]
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Dianna Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:27:45pm |
re: #190 Eowyn2
do we get money back from the gvmt if we have capitol gains losses?
No, but you get to claim it against your other taxes.
Doesn't that make you feel better?
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:27:56pm |
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seekeroftruth Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:28:10pm |
re: #222 mama winger
It's real. You can find the longer version, about 9 and a half minutes, on You Tube as well. It dates back to a February speech I believe, but was just posted today. It will probably be disappeared soon.
Ah, ok. Thanks ! Interesting that is showed up today. Want to take bets on how long it lasts?
: -)
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Cast Iron Magnolia Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:28:29pm |
re: #225 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
I didn't touch anything. If something's broken, it wasn't me!
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loflyer Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:29:25pm |
Yaar, 'me Braves are in the celler, so I cheer for your Phillies....
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godfrey Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:30:12pm |
re: #222 mama winger
Very nice, mama winger. I just sent that round my email list. Always nice to show just who exactly is happy to be in the Obama Tent.
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Soona' Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:30:40pm |
re: #216 bosforus
10-29-2008
10*2=20
2*9=18
20*8=160
20+18+160=196
Hmmm....I've got nothin'
Do you realize that there are 7 two's in your calculations. That's gotta mean something.
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Cast Iron Magnolia Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:31:03pm |
re: #228 Ojoe
Exactly. But - how do we get rid of them? They're worse than kudzu - impossible to destroy.
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Dianna Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:31:50pm |
re: #224 loflyer
Arrr, evening mates, whats going on?
I think - but am not entirely sure - that I was roundly dissed by PrinceofGotham on the last thread.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:31:51pm |
10-29 is the police code to check if a person is wanted or has outstanding arrest warrants. That's it!
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IslandLibertarian Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:32:02pm |
10 + 29 + 2008 = 2047
2 + 0 + 4 + 7 = 13
1 + 3 = 4
4 = Four is the 4th dimension = time which is illusion.
Four is seen as the first solid number. Spatial in scheme or order in manifestation.
Static as opposed to the circular and the dynamic
Wholeness; totality; completion; solid
Earth; order
Rational - relativity and justice
Symbol of measurement
Foundation
or maybe it's bunk............
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godfrey Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:33:50pm |
re: #237 Cast Iron Magnolia
CIM, good question. Be careful with that. Right now, the game is stacked for the insiders who know procedure. Things are "complicated," and now probably deliberately so, to keep noobs in their place.
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Pshawalaw Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:34:00pm |
re: #165 null
I find it interesting that Obama's purchase of airtime is for 29 October. Is there any significance to that date (other than the obvious, that it is close to the election date?)
Yes, it permits hi show to air at the frontside of the all the horror films that accompany Halloween, a prime spot for audience attraction.///
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Dianna Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:34:24pm |
Someone better let Charles know about this "null" problem!
This is just a test....re: #242 taxfreekiller
ACORN ='s KUDZU
It's showing as tfk at #242. Now, let's see what happens when I post.
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ErislDysnomia Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:34:39pm |
More than ever, I am convinced this election represents an attempt at a political coup d'etat by the left to take over the United States.
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loflyer Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:34:42pm |
re: #238 Dianna
I think - but am not entirely sure - that I was roundly dissed by PrinceofGotham on the last thread.
Arr, 'me lady, I can run him through, or keel haul 'em for 'ye! Take your pick!
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Wishing Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:34:46pm |
re: #218 arethusa
The stock market crash of 1929?
Too many possible winners there!
1929 - The New York Stock Exchange crashes in what will be called the Crash of '29 or "Black Tuesday," ending the Great Bull Market of the 1920s and beginning the Great Depression.
Will this be *Black Wednesday*?
This works too:
1921 - The Harvard University football team loses to Centre College, ending a 25 game winning streak. This is considered one of the biggest upsets in college football.
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Ojoe Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:35:21pm |
re: #237 Cast Iron Magnolia
Vote them out I suppose. It will happen when people are disgusted enough.
Out here in Ca. we have pampas grass in place of Kudzu.
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Dianna Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:35:34pm |
re: #244 Pshawalaw
Yes, it permits hi show to air at the frontside of the all the horror films that accompany Halloween, a prime spot for audience attraction.///
Again, I'm seeing the name when I quote, at least in this window.
Now, let's see when I post.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:35:35pm |
10-29 is also b-day of the National Association of Gals (The NAGS), also known as NOW.
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loflyer Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:35:43pm |
re: #241 bulwrk
Hugh Hewitt just played it on his radio show.
Yaar, Sean Hannity mentioned it on my commute to 'me secret base.
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hermeneutics Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:36:23pm |
Laughing here. I'll NEVER ask about dates again. Jeez ... the seers into the secularized book of Revelations speaketh.
I only wanted to know if there was some POLITICAL events, perhaps social, happening around that date, (such as MLK's birth or other symbols.)
The listing of dates and events in Wiki is fascinating, btw. Weird info.
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Wishing Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:36:46pm |
re: #222 mama winger
It's real. You can find the longer version, about 9 and a half minutes, on You Tube as well. It dates back to a February speech I believe, but was just posted today. It will probably be disappeared soon.
And they complain about some pastor praying for Sarah. Steenkin hypocrites
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godfrey Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:36:50pm |
I think one route to change is simplification. Completely simplify the tax code. Make House procedures as efficient as possible, and computerize everything. Make the procedures of governance simple, and you don't need "lifers" like Kennedy et al to corner the market on the phrase, "he knows how things are really done from the inside." Simplify, and make it transparent. Destroy the legislative clerisy.
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arethusa Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:36:53pm |
re: #251 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
10-29 is also b-day of the National Association of Gals (The NAGS), also known as NOW.
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Dianna Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:37:14pm |
re: #247 loflyer
Arr, 'me lady, I can run him through, or keel haul 'em for 'ye! Take your pick!
Nah.
Let's just see what the Prince has to say for himself next time we see him.
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Charles Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:37:30pm |
re: #225 null
When I click on reply or quote, rather than show that particular lizard's nic, it says "null". Anybody know what's up with that? Charles?
Null. A condition of being devoid. Nothingness.
I'll put Stinky on it. May need a reload in a few minutes.
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loflyer Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:37:31pm |
re: #238 Dianna
I think - but am not entirely sure - that I was roundly dissed by PrinceofGotham on the last thread.
Haaar, and what kind of nic is "princeofgotham" anyway? Lame!
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Cast Iron Magnolia Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:37:41pm |
re: #243 godfrey
CIM, good question. Be careful with that. Right now, the game is stacked for the insiders who know procedure. Things are "complicated," and now probably deliberately so, to keep noobs in their place.
I guess black helicopters will be hovering around soon.
If conservatives can win this election, then we should immediately begin planning to elect "ordinary" citizens to office - and throw out those bums.
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arethusa Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:37:51pm |
re: #252 loflyer
Yaar, Sean Hannity mentioned it on my commute to 'me secret base.
Does your secret base (ye secret base?) have enough room for all us crew if the enemy cap'n wins?
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3 wood Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:38:18pm |
Good evening.
I was out all day and so missed the fun with the market melt down today.
For what little my opinion on all this sis worth, here it is.
The credit markets are still frozen and it will take weeks if not months to un-stick them.
In the mean time, the market will not buy stock unless they are an incredible bargain. I think the DOW has to get to about 850 for that to happen.
Traditionally the market wants to see revenue per share of at least 15 times earnings. The so called analysts have been operating with an expectation of about $75 in revenue generated per share. People i know on the trading foloor say that $60 per share is more realistic with a recession coming on.
So, if you take the 75 per share times 15 you get and S&P of 1,1245 whisch we were a few days ago. But, like I say,t ha market has discounted expected revenue to $60 a share, which multiplied by 15 gives you an S&P floor of 900.
The word I'm getting is the big money wants to see a ration of 14 times or 13 times before they feel stock is cheap enough to take the risk. $60 times 14 give an S&P ration of 840 and times 13 gives and S&P ratio of 780.
At the close tonight, the S&P was at 909. I think we got another 50 to 100 points to lose off the S&P 500 before we hit the bottom. SO another 5% loss day or so is coming.
On the bright side, once the credit actually start to loosen and the investing public gets some confidence back in the system, I think you will see a bunch of big gaining days.
Bear in mind tough, the economy as a whole will probably not start growing again until 2nd half of next year.
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ErislDysnomia Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:38:26pm |
McCain should consider distributing millions of DVD's with his response. I think they can be cranked out at less than $1 apiece.
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arethusa Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:39:25pm |
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hermeneutics Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:39:49pm |
re: #258 Charles
Null. A condition of being devoid. Nothingness.
I'll put Stinky on it. May need a reload in a few minutes.
I'd like to hypothesize on null, but don't have the chance.
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neocon hippie Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:39:58pm |
re: #262 null
In the mean time, the market will not buy stock unless they are an incredible bargain. I think the DOW has to get to about 850 for that to happen.
You mean 8500, right?
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Dianna Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:40:00pm |
re: #259 null
Haaar, and what kind of nic is "princeofgotham" anyway? Lame!
Dunno, Loflyer (since you have nulled, suddenly, and I have no geek-fu), but he asked us to guess who he was.
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loflyer Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:40:16pm |
re: #261 null
Does your secret base (ye secret base?) have enough room for all us crew if the enemy cap'n wins?
Arrr, only three bedrooms, but you are welcome to it, mate. Personally I suggest we hole up at the secret LGF redoubt under DIA!
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Tigger2005 Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:40:37pm |
re: #105 null
I asked my Republican mom why her first ever Dem vote was going to Obama. One of the reasons she gave was, "He's an intellectual." I asked what made her think that and she pointed out that he went to Harvard. I retorted that Bush, Kerry and countless other presidential candidates all went to Ivy League schools. Obama wrote two books, not about economics or sociology or history but about himself. I asked her to give an example of something Obama said or one of his proposals that was "intellectual". She gave no answer.
I think she's confusing intellectuals with utopian visionaries.
Tell her that Obama's Columbia grades were mediocre, and he got into Harvard Law only through the intervention of Khalid al-Mansour, and that as editor of the Harvard Law Review he himself wrote nothing, and that his biography "Dreams of my Father" was probably ghost-written by Bill Ayers.
"Intellectual," my ass.
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Wishing Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:40:52pm |
re: #260 null
I guess black helicopters will be hovering around soon.
If conservatives can win this election, then we should immediately begin planning to elect "ordinary" citizens to office - and throw out those bums.
That should already be part of your plan for Nov 4th: I know it is mine.
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bosforus Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:41:50pm |
re: #220 null
Oh great, now we get math, nobody said there would be math questions. I am mathematically challenged.
Then just sit back and enjoy the show!
Obama
O=15, B=2, A=1, M=13, A=1
15+2+1-13+1=6
10-29-2008
1+2+9+2-8=6
Number of days before the election: 6
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jwb7605 Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:42:42pm |
re: #253 null
Laughing here. I'll NEVER ask about dates again. Jeez ... the seers into the secularized book of Revelations speaketh.
I only wanted to know if there was some POLITICAL events, perhaps social, happening around that date, (such as MLK's birth or other symbols.)
The listing of dates and events in Wiki is fascinating, btw. Weird info.
2004, if I remember from reading the list, was when Bin Laden announced he really was behind 9/11. Troofers notwithstanding.
Political enough?
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Intrepid Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:43:07pm |
Dang, now everybody is "null" if they're quoted! And I even did a refresh.
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LoFlyer Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:44:24pm |
re: #279 Intrepid
Dang, now everybody is "null" if they're quoted! And I even did a refresh.
Arrr, love your avatar matey, A fine and proud ship!
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Cast Iron Magnolia Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:47:52pm |
Ya'lls Pampas Grass sure is purty. Kudzu, not so much!
re: #249 Ojoe
Vote them out I suppose. It will happen when people are disgusted enough.
Out here in Ca. we have pampas grass in place of Kudzu.
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hermeneutics Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:48:19pm |
re: #278 jwb7605
2004, if I remember from reading the list, was when Bin Laden announced he really was behind 9/11. Troofers notwithstanding.
Political enough?
Yea. I noticed that too. Wouldn't it be wonderful if Osama released another tape about then?
Out of curiosity, since I think you'd know, JWB7605 -- how does osama release tapes anyway? Do tapes physically get delivered to actual radio/tv stations or does he release them virtually via the net? And if virtual, are they traceable?
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offendi Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:49:35pm |
I think "wisdom" is what John McCain needs right about now, unless this campaign is Bob Dole redux. It was very gracious of him and equally dumb to proclaim he was above bringing in the Rev. Wright into the campaign.
No independents that I speak with think Ayers is much of an issue John, and 95% of the African-Americans are going to vote for Obama anyway, so you aren't turning them off.
20 years of sitting in a pew listening to hate-filled invective against this country by a guy that is going to be President of the USA? I think not.
Lose the big Maverick ego and get to work, your not on the Senate floor you're running for President.
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arethusa Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:49:45pm |
re: #286 hermeneutics
Yea. I noticed that too. Wouldn't it be wonderful if Osama released another tape about then?
Out of curiosity, since I think you'd know, JWB7605 -- how does osama release tapes anyway? Do tapes physically get delivered to actual radio/tv stations or does he release them virtually via the net? And if virtual, are they traceable?
/I think he just walks brazenly into Al-Jazeera HQ and threads the tape into the machine himself.
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godfrey Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:50:46pm |
Another thing: lose this "conservative" and "progressive" nonsense. There is nothing conservative about letting loose the free market creativity of this country to push the boundaries of commerce and innovation. There is nothing conservative about making a society supportive of stable families that grow in size and number. There is nothing conservative about ensuring the safety of the US so it can grow and prosper.
People forget how radical these ideas are! In the past, they were totally opposed to the closed political circle of the wealthy and privileged, totally opposed to capricious and punitive taxation from the old regimes, totally opposed to elitist ideas like eugenics, the dead-end licentiousness of the bored and wealthy, the Old Order of birth, class, and privilege!
It is the "conservatives" who are truly democratic, the "conservatives" who are the promoters of technological and economic progress, the "conservatives" who stand resolutely against any barrier to talent, risk, and individual industry!
I say: take away the "progressive" label from the privileged and elitist supporters of this bloated and pernicious State! Call them for what they are! Socialists! Statists! Elitists! Tar and feather them, mock them, and never again let them into the marbled corridors they think is their rightful home.
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godfrey Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:51:31pm |
re: #262 null
I think the DOW has to get to about 850 for that to happen.
Good grief, do people have the stomach for that?
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Tigger2005 Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:51:50pm |
Tomorrow I go door-to-door for McCain/Palin!
By the way, there were a couple of new Obama signs up the street a few days ago, and today it looked like they were gone. Wonder if those people wised up.
I think those Obama signs are ridiculous. The pale blue barely to be seen "Biden" underneath THE ONE's holy name. Probably most of Obama's fans wish he didn't have to have anyone else on the ticket with him.
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Tigger2005 Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:52:18pm |
re: #290 null
Good grief, do people have the stomach for that?
Someone asked if 3wood didn't mean 8500.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:52:49pm |
re: #258 null
Null. A condition of being devoid. Nothingness.
Oh, I see. It's another name for Obama. Thanks, Charles!
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Soona' Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:53:44pm |
re: #289 godfrey
Another thing: lose this "conservative" and "progressive" nonsense. There is nothing conservative about letting loose the free market creativity of this country to push the boundaries of commerce and innovation. There is nothing conservative about making a society supportive of stable families that grow in size and number. There is nothing conservative about ensuring the safety of the US so it can grow and prosper.
People forget how radical these ideas are! In the past, they were totally opposed to the closed political circle of the wealthy and privileged, totally opposed to capricious and punitive taxation from the old regimes, totally opposed to elitist ideas like eugenics, the dead-end licentiousness of the bored and wealthy, the Old Order of birth, class, and privilege!
It is the "conservatives" who are truly democratic, the "conservatives" who are the promoters of technological and economic progress, the "conservatives" who stand resolutely against any barrier to talent, risk, and individual industry!
I say: take away the "progressive" label from the privileged and elitist supporters of this bloated and pernicious State! Call them for what they are! Socialists! Statists! Elitists! Tar and feather them, mock them, and never again let them into the marbled corridors they think is their rightful home.
OK.
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Ojoe Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:54:09pm |
re: #285 null
Pretty or not, we hack it out and burn it with the Scouts.
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yesandno Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:54:13pm |
"Civilization is like a think veneer. The more you polish it, the thinner it gets."
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godfrey Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:54:52pm |
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lobo91 Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:57:33pm |
re: #295 null
Pretty or not, we hack it out and burn it with the Scouts.
You shouldn't burn Scouts, you know.
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offendi Thu, Oct 9, 2008 4:57:50pm |
re: #291 Tigger2005
Tomorrow I go door-to-door for McCain/Palin!
By the way, there were a couple of new Obama signs up the street a few days ago, and today it looked like they were gone. Wonder if those people wised up.
I think those Obama signs are ridiculous. The pale blue barely to be seen "Biden" underneath THE ONE's holy name. Probably most of Obama's fans wish he didn't have to have anyone else on the ticket with him.
I think those Obama signs look like more of a cult thing than a political sign. Kind of scary. Given our economic problems reading about Weimar Germany and seeing the roving Obamamaniacs who see Barry as their " Dear Leader " gives me concern.
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A Kiwi Infidel Thu, Oct 9, 2008 5:00:32pm |
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NomadOfNorad Thu, Oct 9, 2008 5:02:30pm |
re: #261 null
Does your secret base (ye secret base?) have enough room for all us crew if the enemy cap'n wins?
And is it well stocked with ammo, and full of enough munchies for all of us?
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NomadOfNorad Thu, Oct 9, 2008 5:04:16pm |
re: #296 null
"Civilization is like a think veneer. The more you polish it, the thinner it gets."
Think veneer? Did you mean thick veneer?
Great line, though. Anyone know who said it?
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NomadOfNorad Thu, Oct 9, 2008 5:06:00pm |
re: #265 null
And now you must reload.
What, are we about to encounter an end-of-level baddy? :D :D :D :D
[Presses "reload" on his joystick... Muahahahahaha!]
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rawmuse Thu, Oct 9, 2008 5:07:57pm |
re: #262 3 wood
In the mean time, the market will not buy stock unless they are an incredible bargain. I think the DOW has to get to about 850 for that to happen.
Please tell me you meant 8500, not 850...
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Tigger2005 Thu, Oct 9, 2008 5:08:01pm |
That video of the Obamakids singing is probably going to give me nightmares tonight. That's the sort of thing you expect from some weirdo fringe cult of personality, not from supporters of a mainstream party candidate. It was so eerily similar to the video of the Hitler Youth singing. Of course, being multicultural, multiethnic, politically correct, pro-environment, global citizens, compassionate to a fault and beyond, and tolerant of just about everything but patriotic conservative capitalists, the Obamabots would probably say they are nothing like the Nazis. But, just like the Nazis, they are absolutely convinced of their purity and righteousness, and they are already showing their intolerance for dissent. Their identity is so bound up with Obama's that they can bear no criticism of him because it directly impacts their self-esteem.
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JacksonTn Thu, Oct 9, 2008 5:08:46pm |
BREAKING NEWS:
In response to this:
“Some may say their true colors are showing,” said Representative Yvette Clarke of New York. “Others may say they’re just not being thoughtful. But certainly a lot of the language I’ve heard I consider to be incendiary. I believe it is meant to generate a certain sentiment within their base that engenders fear and certainly appeals to a group of people within our society who would pursue this along racial lines.
“It’s very clear,” she said.
Ms. Clarke also found a racial subtext in Ms. Palin’s repeated appeals to “Joe Six-Pack” and “hockey moms.”
“Who exactly is Joe Six-Pack and who are these hockey moms? That’s what I’d like to know,” she said. “Is that supposed to be terminology that is of common ground to all Americans? I don’t find that. It leaves a lot of people out.”
***
Any reference to alcoholic beverages will now only be allowed to reference this:
[Link: upload.wikimedia.org...]
/racist
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JacksonTn Thu, Oct 9, 2008 5:11:08pm |
re: #309 ploome hineni
see the student picture
The University of Illinois at Chicago, or UIC, is a state-funded public research university located in Chicago.
how does William Ayers get a job at this school, and get tenured?
Yes, and you must bow to the shrine on his door before you enter his office:
[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]
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Tigger2005 Thu, Oct 9, 2008 5:12:45pm |
re: #308 null
BREAKING NEWS:
In response to this:
“Some may say their true colors are showing,” said Representative Yvette Clarke of New York. “Others may say they’re just not being thoughtful. But certainly a lot of the language I’ve heard I consider to be incendiary. I believe it is meant to generate a certain sentiment within their base that engenders fear and certainly appeals to a group of people within our society who would pursue this along racial lines.
“It’s very clear,” she said.
Ms. Clarke also found a racial subtext in Ms. Palin’s repeated appeals to “Joe Six-Pack” and “hockey moms.”
“Who exactly is Joe Six-Pack and who are these hockey moms? That’s what I’d like to know,” she said. “Is that supposed to be terminology that is of common ground to all Americans? I don’t find that. It leaves a lot of people out.”
***
Any reference to alcoholic beverages will now only be allowed to reference this:
[Link: upload.wikimedia.org...]/racist
Maybe Palin should also make reference to Joe Crack Pipe and welfare moms?
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offendi Thu, Oct 9, 2008 5:16:49pm |
re: #307 Tigger2005
Reminds one of Robert Mugabe actually. Maybe this shows that some people in this country are more invested in whats in it for them, rather than the concept of democracy. Wealth re-distributors like Obama generally are not fishing for votes from the politically high-minded anyway.
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NomadOfNorad Thu, Oct 9, 2008 5:18:29pm |
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offendi Thu, Oct 9, 2008 5:19:52pm |
re: #311 Tigger2005
I would agree with her in the sense the Republican are not inclusive of all those dead people apparently being registered to vote in Ohio. Do they get a tax refund under Obama's plan too?
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Steffan Thu, Oct 9, 2008 5:40:07pm |
Here's a quote you might like:
The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.
--Alexis de Tocqueville
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3 wood Thu, Oct 9, 2008 5:43:22pm |
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3 wood Thu, Oct 9, 2008 5:44:30pm |
re: #292 Tigger2005
Someone asked if 3wood didn't mean 8500.
Yes. sorry.
DOW of 8500
S&P 500 of 840 to 780
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3 wood Thu, Oct 9, 2008 5:46:38pm |
re: #309 ploome hineni
how does William Ayers get a job at this school, and get tenured?
I could tell you stories of people I know with tenure you can not believe.
I know tenured Professors who can not speak English enough to teach a class how to tie their shoes.
I have had to take over for them on several occasions so their students can get through the material and pass a test.
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3 wood Thu, Oct 9, 2008 5:48:11pm |
Now the Nikkei in Tokyo is dropping like a rock in reaction to the US markets tanking.
The Nikkei is down 4.5% at the open.
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3 wood Thu, Oct 9, 2008 5:49:51pm |
re: #321 ploome hineni
why are they there?
They have the correct demographics.
Which from my observation is they are:
1. female
2. foreign born and can't speak a lick of english
3. stark raving moonbat.
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NomadOfNorad Thu, Oct 9, 2008 7:38:33pm |
re: #323 3 wood
They have the correct demographics.
Which from my observation is they are:
1. female
2. foreign born and can't speak a lick of english
3. stark raving moonbat.
4. will vote Democrat, just because...
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ErnieG Thu, Oct 9, 2008 7:44:14pm |
re: #3 doppelganglander
Ok, I'll admit it, I had to look up reify.
Isn't that something Mexican cooks do with beans?
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Yankee Zionist Thu, Oct 9, 2008 8:07:52pm |
re: #22 eon
Essentially, Niebuhr held that since all power corrupts, the best way to use it was to do whatever the h**l you wanted to, whenever you wanted to, and to whomever you wanted to. On the grounds that you were being "honest" when you did so.
If Obama thinks Niebuhr is a great role model, he's in good company.
Lenin, Trotsky, Mao, and Adolf all liked him too.
cheers
eon
You haven't a clue of what you are talking about.
This is not anything like what Niebuhr wrote. He promoted a suspicious view of human nature, offered a defense of democracy arguing that because man could conceive of justice, democracy was possible and because he tended to act in unjust ways, democracy was necessary.
He also argued that pacifism was not a responsible attitude to take in the face of Nazism. He said the U.S. and the West, for all their faults, needed to defeat Nazism.
He was a pro-Zionist who argued that the Jewish people had a right to a homeland.
Nieburh was an intellectual giant who understood the nature of evil and the limits of power. Your characterization of his writings wrong.
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LittleGreenFavre Thu, Oct 9, 2008 8:29:23pm |
re: #5 noshariaincanada
What is wisdom?
In this lizard's case it is to avoid having so much faith in the system/markets that your entire net worth is wiped out in about two weeks.
Too bad I only got the wisdom after the fact.
I feel your pain, man! It got hosed back in 2001 when the dotcom bubble burst. Clueless me...
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BartB Thu, Oct 9, 2008 9:00:50pm |
My Niebuhr's a pretty good guy, he most always returns the stuff he borrows from me.
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Promethea Thu, Oct 9, 2008 9:24:22pm |
re: #246 ErislDysnomia
More than ever, I am convinced this election represents an attempt at a political coup d'etat by the left to take over the United States.
Your comment is worth repeating.
I really think that there a lot of fishy things going on. The Acorn voter drive and George Soros's probable sinking of Lehman Brothers being two examples.
I'm generally suspicious of conspiracy theorists, but since I studied with some students of Alinsky in my previous life as a "community organizer," I know that it is possible to accomplish amazing things with a well-thought-out plan.
Remember Archimedes' view: "Give me a long-enough lever, and I can move the world.
Yes, it IS possible to destroy the United States. Let's not be naive about this. It IS possible.
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logboy Thu, Oct 9, 2008 9:31:52pm |
Go to Myspace.com and do a people search for honest democrat.
"Sorry, we weren’t able to find a "honest democrat" on MySpace.com."
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Promethea Thu, Oct 9, 2008 9:38:23pm |
re: #319 ploome hineni
..anyone see the article about some asshole calling GovPalin a racist, because she used white code words wlike HOckey MOn and Joe Sixpack?
someof these critics are mentally ill
They are trying to "disappear" white people. We're the kulaks of the Great Revolution. We must be destroyed.
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Miss Molly Thu, Oct 9, 2008 9:42:19pm |
Everyone is asking what was Obama's relationship to Bill Ayers, I wonder why Bill Ayers liked Obama so much that he kick started his political career. Seems Bill Ayers saw something in Obama that was very much like himself but a younger version who could be pushed in politics to get things done Bills Ayers could no longer accompolish.
So many of the people that Obama has attached himself to hate America. You are known by the friends you keep so I don't think Obama has a very high opinion of America. As for his intellectual abilities he seems to be a total fraud.
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nightwatch Thu, Oct 9, 2008 10:46:00pm |
re: #327 LittleGreenFavre
Hhhmmm, DOT-COM-BUBBLE......was that a test run?
Any way to back thread that little comma in the history of the street?
Bet ya find deleted this and NO ISP that, if so , they covered their tracks well. Which begs the question, "Is this an organized take-down of the American Financial Markets? Who wants this? Right on the door-step of a major election cycle. Who REALLY wants this?
Sleep well lizards......
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Mel Lono Thu, Oct 9, 2008 11:57:39pm |
Hey, Hey, my My.It's better to burn out than to fade away.
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