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Obama Campaign Met with Hamas and Hezbollah Supporters

Politics | Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 9:07:38 am PDT

The Obama campaign is trying to minimize the damage from a meeting attended by their “Muslim outreach director,” at which several notorious Hamas and Hezbollah supporters were present: Obama concedes mistake over Muslim outreach meeting.

The Obama campaign’s Muslim outreach director participated in a meeting in mid September that was attended by several controversial Muslim activists, NBC News has learned. The Obama campaign now concedes that was a misjudgment, and that its top Muslim staffer would not have attended the meeting if she had known the full participant list beforehand. “Would a campaign staffer have attended if they were aware of the complete list of attendees? No,” said Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt in an email statement to NBC.

On September 15, newly named Muslim outreach director Minha Husaini spoke to a small group of Muslim leaders and potential Obama supporters at a hotel in Springfield, Virginia, several meeting participants and the campaign said. Two other Obama-affiliated Democratic Party workers joined Husaini and also spoke to the crowd. ...

One meeting attendee was Mahdi Bray of the Muslim American Society, several of the participants said. The MAS website describes Bray as an imam and “long time civil and human rights activist.” Bray’s critics say he has a history of defending terrorists. They point to a video of Bray at a rally in 2000, for example, in which he can be seen pumping his fist in the air in support of the terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah. In a 2004 interview, he called the Israeli assassination of a Hamas spiritual leader an “unlawful, cowardly and dangerous act of state-sponsored terrorism.” Bray did not return a call requesting comment.

Also attending the meeting was Nihad Awad, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations. CAIR is a Muslim-American civil rights group that has, as its website states, “consistently and persistently condemned terrorism and the killing of innocent civilians.” Nonetheless, the group has many critics, especially in law-enforcement circles, and is an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation terrorism financing case.

In an interview on Thursday, CAIR spokesman Ibrahim Hooper said that CAIR has consistently condemned “every act of terrorism” by groups including Hamas and Hezbollah. But he would not answer whether CAIR condemns those designated terrorist groups themselves. “I’ve already answered your questions,” he said, and abruptly ended the interview. Nihad Awad, the executive director, did not return a call seeking comment.

And that’s not all. Also attending the meeting was the Obama campaign’s previous “Muslim outreach director,” who abruptly resigned in August when the Wall Street Journal exposed his ties to extremists.

A second meeting participant speaking on condition on anonymity said he was stunned to learn that Awad and Bray had been invited to an event where Obama representatives would be present. The participant said Awad and Bray are considered politically “radioactive.” He said that some in the Obama group knew ahead of time that top CAIR officials would be in attendance—an allegation the Obama campaign disputes.

“Yes, when I knew they were coming it made me uncomfortable,” the attendee said. “There was some hope it wouldn’t get out” into the media, the attendee added. “There was some concern within the Obama camp that some of these people coming may be a political liability.”

Chicago-based lawyer Mazen Asbahi also attended the meeting. He is the Obama campaign’s former Muslim outreach coordinator, who abruptly resigned in August after the Wall Street Journal and websites that track fundamentalist Islam began questioning Asbahi’s involvement in an Islamic investment fund and various Islamic groups. When reached by NBC News, Asbahi would not comment about the September gathering or his brief stint eight years ago on an investment fund board which also included a fundamentalist imam.

When informed that Asbahi had attended the recent meeting, an Obama spokesman said: “Mazen Asbahi resigned from his role as the campaign’s Muslim American outreach coordinator and was replaced—he is not an employee of the campaign and does not speak on behalf of the campaign.”

Also see:
Mere Rhetoric: Video: Obama Outreach Coordinator Meets With CAIR Reps, Terrorist-Endorsing Preachers (Plus: FBI Testimony Links CAIR To Terrorists)

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1 JacksonTn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:08:14am

Just saw that on FOX ....... of course the denying begins ..

2 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:09:43am

Meeting with co-conspirators funding terrorists should be nothing new to 0bama- he's worked with terrorists before, so it's like second nature.

3 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:09:43am

I read this this morning. It doesn't seem to include any NEW information than the story conveyed when it first came out. And, once again, it's not being covered by the MSM (no, I don't consider the WT to be mainstream, for a matter of fact, I sometimes question it all together)

4 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:10:18am

Yawn. What's up with the Troopergate scandal?

/msm

5 DoubleU  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:10:57am

There is so much Obama is completely unaware or ignorant about. He is either unfit to be President or an awful liar.

6 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:11:00am

This suprises me in no way.

7 JacksonTn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:11:19am

This will need to be pushed on the blogs heavy so the msm will be forced to cover it ........

8 DisturbedEma  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:11:20am

Oh the SHOCK. . .more qualified meetings and statements. . .sarc sarc sarc

9 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:11:27am

re: #3 Walter L. Newton

But the link is from msnbc.

There have been rumors that the msm love affair might be over. Maybe it is.

10 joncelli  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:11:36am

Israel will go under the bus shortly after Obambi is elected. If I were the PM of Israel I'd sort out my business with Iran and Hamas as soon as possible after November 4.

11 DisturbedEma  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:11:45am

re: #7 JacksonTn

This will need to be pushed on the blogs heavy so the msm will be forced to cover it ........

On my way now. . .

12 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:11:48am
13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:11:52am

Obama is certainly making a full court press for getting the "Death to America" voting block out.

14 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:12:08am

That's not the Mahdi Bray I knew.

15 realwest  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:12:11am

re: #2 Sharmuta
Hey Sharm - slightly OT I think, but I asked you a question on the prior thread, not knowing you'd come over here!
Do you know if ANY U.S. Attorney has filed charges against ACORN?!

16 filetandrelease  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:12:21am

"Beware of the dark side"

17 DisturbedEma  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:12:31am

re: #10 joncelli

Israel will go under the bus shortly after Obambi is elected. If I were the PM of Israel I'd sort out my business with Iran and Hamas as soon as possible after November 4.


Totally and well, my fellow Jews will not care. . . since it is apparently SOOOOO 20th century to be a Zionist. . .

18 JacksonTn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:12:35am

Is Rush covering this? What about Drudge?......

19 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:12:47am

re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obama is certainly making a full court press for getting the "Death to America" voting block out.

Of course, he's got Ayers and Dohrn.

20 Ben Hur  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:12:50am
The Obama campaign’s Muslim outreach director participated in a meeting in mid September that was attended by several controversial Muslim activists, NBC News has learned. The Obama campaign now concedes that was a misjudgment,

But up until this point, they lied, and we here a NBC News were fine with it.

21 shibumi  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:13:06am

This is nothing. The Leftist meme is that Hamas and Hezbollah are Freedom Fighters. Like Ayers. Perfectly acceptable to meet with them, conservatives are racist to even mention this!

/every issue can be explained by saying 'conservatives are racist'

22 DisturbedEma  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:13:22am

re: #16 filetandrelease

"Beware of the dark side"

Is the dark side more powerful?

Quicker easier, more easily seduced by power. . .a true Jedi craves not these things. . .

23 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:13:23am

And, of course, 0bama is willing to meet with other Hamas and Hizballah supporters, like Ahmadinejad, without preconditions.

24 Desert Dog  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:13:39am

Don't matter.....he could stomp a puppy to death and eat it raw during his 30 minute "infomerical" he has scheduled next week on the major networks and his poll numbers would still go up.

25 filetandrelease  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:13:55am

re: #10 joncelli

Israel will go under the bus shortly after Obambi is elected. If I were the PM of Israel I'd sort out my business with Iran and Hamas as soon as possible after November 4.

It ain't over 'till the fat lady sings! oh wait......

26 realwest  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:14:03am

re: #12 buzzsawmonkey
Hi buzz! Why is that ("The Jews I know who are in the bag for Obama will refuse to listen to this in any way, shape or form.")?

27 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:14:09am

re: #21 shibumi

/every issue can be explained by saying 'conservatives are racist'

Yes.

28 DisturbedEma  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:14:17am

re: #24 Desert Dog

Don't matter.....he could stomp a puppy to death and eat it raw during his 30 minute "infomerical" he has scheduled next week on the major networks and his poll numbers would still go up.

Yeah, and the puppy would be to blame

29 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:14:19am

I'm guessing Obama never read the part in the oath of office about all enemies, foreign and domestic.

30 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:14:19am
31 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:14:41am
32 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:14:45am

re: #15 realwest

I don't know, but with office raids already having gone down, I think charges might be forthcoming.

33 smokefire  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:15:00am

re: #1 JacksonTn

Just saw that on FOX ....... of course the denying begins ..

.............and of course the stock answer.................

It's Racist

34 jwb7605  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:15:04am

[sarc ON] I don't see what the problem is. [OFF]
This is merely an example of meeting without preconditions.

If/when Obama meets with dinnerjacket, Chavez, the Castro brothers, etc, there will probably be lots of people he didn't expect.
Consider this on-the-job training.

35 Ben Hur  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:15:10am

AND, he's against Gay Marriage.

36 shibumi  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:15:12am

re: #9 Sharmuta

But the link is from msnbc.

There have been rumors that the msm love affair might be over. Maybe it is.

Nah. They just pretending not to be biased. You know, throwing the republican dog a bone.

37 DisturbedEma  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:15:20am

re: #31 buzzsawmonkey

Liberals first; Jews second.

So sayith the Party. . .

38 Oldasdirt  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:15:34am

Great afternoon lizards,,I woke up this morning to see my good fellow countrymen are mad as hell about the O,,and i like it..Stay fired up..fight fight fight.

39 JustMyView  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:15:41am

re: #7 JacksonTn

This will need to be pushed on the blogs heavy so the msm will be forced to cover it ........

Um, did you notice that the source Charles cited was MSNBC?

40 DisturbedEma  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:15:41am

re: #35 Ben Hur

AND, he's against Gay Marriage.

That is SO under the bus soon. . .

41 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:16:13am
42 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:16:18am

Rush will have the Calypso Louie tape of him calling Obama the messiah later on.

43 shibumi  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:16:19am

re: #34 jwb7605

[sarc ON] I don't see what the problem is. [OFF]
This is merely an example of meeting without preconditions.

If/when Obama meets with dinnerjacket, Chavez, the Castro brothers, etc, there will probably be lots of people he didn't expect.
Consider this on-the-job training.

Yeah, I know a bunch of liberals that would totally agree with this.

/wish I was being sarcastic.

44 SagamoreGal  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:16:26am

Charles, pssst - it's a little bit racist of you, darling, to even mention this connection in writing.

/spoken in my best Kathleen Parker voice. Or maybe it's my Sally Quinn voice. Better yet, it's my Campbell Brown voice.

45 loveguru  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:16:31am

Ah, i decided to help left extrimist...

Yes, i am moving from Islamophobia to obamophobia.... ;)

46 NoSubmission  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:16:38am

Judgement to lead.
/

47 jwb7605  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:16:41am

re: #43 shibumi

Yeah, I know a bunch of liberals that would totally agree with this.

/wish I was being sarcastic.

me too.

48 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:17:02am

Minha Huseini is among a Who's Who of young RoPers working for mostly Dem and lefty causes.

49 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:17:04am

re: #22 DisturbedEma

Is the dark side more powerful?

Quicker easier, more easily seduced by power. . .a true Jedi craves not these things. . .

But letting your anger go - like 0bama said in his racism speech - can be very powerful. Especially when you have a lot of people to riot.

50 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:17:18am

4,000 dead voters in Houston

"All-in-all, a great person, a great woman, just a wonderful person" is how Alexis Guidry described her mother to Local 2 Investigates.

"As far back as I can remember, they've always voted in the election," Guidry said of her parents.

The March 2008 Primary was no exception. Voting records show Alexis' mom, Gloria Guidry, cast her ballot in person near her South Houston home.

"It was just very shocking, a little unsettling," said Alexis Guidry.

It's unsettling because Gloria Guidry died of cancer 10 months before the March Primary.

51 realwest  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:17:46am

re: #24 Desert Dog
Hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, my friend, but according to Fox and Friends this morning, Obama has purchased TWO thirty minute time blocks on TV.
Thereby putting the final nail in the coffin of Political Campaign Finance Reform and Public Funding.
All ya gotta do is get a bunch of wealthy, terrorist supporting states to contribute tens of millions of dollars to your campaign and, as did Obama, you can then renege on your promise to take Public Funding and voila - you get your 30 minute infomercials.

52 smokefire  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:18:07am

re: #36 shibumi

Nah. They just pretending not to be biased. You know, throwing the republican dog a bone.

................what Chris Mathews is not having a leg tingle anymore, does not want to have Barry's child.........(SARC)

Olberman, and Barry are having a falling out too.

God, the sky is falling

53 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:18:08am

re: #50 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

4,000 dead voters in Houston

LOL! Good luck stealing Texas, ACORN.

54 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:18:11am

(Director reaching out from under bus)
Vrrrrrrooooooooommmmmm!
*voice calls out ... "NEXT"*

/cue new Outreach Director leaping from phone booth, making same mistake

55 Ben Hur  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:18:15am

re: #40 DisturbedEma

That is SO under the bus soon. . .

I told someone with a lot of gay friends (and a Barry supporter) that I wasn't voting for HIM because he was against gay marriage.

She was not amused.

56 JacksonTn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:18:15am

re: #39 JustMyView

Um, did you notice that the source Charles cited was MSNBC?

Just because it was reported once is not enough ........ it needs to get strong coverage everywhere ......... we are all focused on the stock market right now .....the market is a huge problem........ but Islamist terrorists are a HUGE problem ..... all media should report this

57 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:18:22am

re: #50 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

4,000 dead voters in Houston

There's where McKinney's dead people from New Orleans went.

58 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:18:34am

"I was only 47 years, 1 month old when that meeting took place. I am now 47 years and 2 months. I cam't be responsible for what some orginization did that long ago"

geeezz ,, I scare myself

59 SagamoreGal  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:18:44am

Is he a Manchurian Candidate or a Trojan Horse?

Or a Manchurian Trojan?

60 Russkilitlover  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:19:03am
“There was some concern within the Obama camp that some of these people coming may be a political liability.”/blockquote>

This is what concerns the Obama campaign. That their presence would be a "political liability," not that it would be flat out wrong to cavort with terrrorists......oh, wait.

61 BingoBunny  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:19:06am

Wait those terrorists just live in Obamma's neighborhood.. and he was only 8 when they were terrorists.. and haven't they reformed.. and didn't they get elected in a democratic election.. and wasn't Obamma against the election.. and besides they don't give that many millions of dollars to his campaign.

62 jwb7605  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:19:11am

re: #59 SagamoreGal

Is he a Manchurian Candidate or a Trojan Horse?

Or a Manchurian Trojan?

Ribbed Trojan.

63 Edgar  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:19:25am

re: #59 SagamoreGal

Is he a Manchurian Candidate or a Trojan Horse?

Or a Manchurian Trojan?

Trojan Manchurian.

64 opnion  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:19:45am

Obama wrote words to the effect that if the politics broke bad that he would stand with the Muslims.
This guy is still half a Muslim. You do not have a Muslim father, a Muslim stepfather that you attended mosque with, and you do not take Koranic instruction in school & have no residual feelings.
Also if you have a flat out Muslim name as a child seeking your identity, you might conclude , hey I'm a Muslim.

65 shibumi  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:19:48am

re: #50 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

4,000 dead voters in Houston

And the Government will get around to finishing their investigation of this sometime in mid '10, after Teleprompter Jesus has been crowned Lord Emperor of United Socialist America.

66 Edgar  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:19:49am

re: #58 sattv4u2

"I was only 47 years, 1 month old when that meeting took place. I am now 47 years and 2 months. I cam't be responsible for what some orginization did that long ago"

geeezz ,, I scare myself

It's scaring me too.

67 Cartman  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:19:50am

Not enough Americans give a rat's ass. Hell, half of Americans prolly don't even know what the hell Hezbollah or Hamas is. Unfortunately, Obama is successfully riding a wave of ignorance and apathy.

68 rahmanager  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:19:54am

Did anyone else notice the "Messiah is talking" comments from Farrakhan this morning? [Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

69 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:19:56am

re: #53 Sharmuta

LOL! Good luck stealing Texas, ACORN.

They were executed, and their bodies dumped during Hurricane Katrina!

/cynthia mckinney

70 realwest  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:20:00am

re: #31 buzzsawmonkey
Ah, so being jewish is secondary (as is the defense of Israel if you are a leftist; I don't use the term "liberal" anymore as it clearly doesn't apply to anyone remaining on the political spectrum anymore).

71 smokefire  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:20:04am

re: #57 Honorary Yooper

There's where McKinney's dead people from New Orleans went.

Must sign him up

72 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:20:07am

re: #62 jwb7605

Ribbed Trojan.

Obama is a bit rubbery, IMHO. Stretches the truth when he feels it necessary.

73 NoSubmission  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:20:16am

Remember, Obama was only 43 years old by the time he'd been sitting in the front pew of Rev. Wright's 'church' for 20 years.

Nothing to see here... move along..

74 Oldasdirt  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:20:18am

re: #53 Sharmuta

LOL! Good luck stealing Texas, ACORN.

I heard that.My state,,my country,,Acorn will rot in the ground here.

75 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:20:23am

re: #67 Cartman

Not enough Americans give a rat's ass. Hell, half of Americans prolly don't even know what the hell Hezbollah or Hamas is. Unfortunately, Obama is successfully riding a wave of ignorance and apathy.

Morons for Obama!

76 RickZ  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:20:24am

Lovely story. No legs.

/MSM

77 DeafDog  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:20:31am

I wonder if people people really think he is going to be different as president?

78 joncelli  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:20:37am

re: #59 SagamoreGal

Trojurian horse! (Genetic engineering gone wild!)

79 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:20:48am
80 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:20:58am

Calling all terrorists!

Come to North Carolina if you want to vote in the national election several times.

It was just announced today in NC that you no longer need a social security number to vote, just a drivers license number. It makes it easier on their fact checking computer data base.
The programmer must be a f#cking democrat?

/Remember, several of the 9/11 hijackers had NC drivers license.

81 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:21:01am

re: #76 RickZ

Uh- this is from msnbc, surprisingly enough.

82 smokefire  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:21:08am

re: #59 SagamoreGal

Is he a Manchurian Candidate or a Trojan Horse?

Or a Manchurian Trojan?

how about passing the time with a little game of Solitare, Barry?

83 Edgar  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:21:12am

re: #72 Honorary Yooper

Obama is a bit rubbery, IMHO. Stretches the truth when he feels it necessary.

And has a disgusting latex smell.

84 realwest  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:21:16am

re: #32 Sharmuta
RATS! I thought I saw a post on the early part of the Dead Thread that said someone had indeed indicted ACORN.
What a shame that they haven't yet.

85 mattm  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:21:19am

I'm sure the MS will get right on this.

/sarc

(was that really needed)

86 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:21:24am

re: #29 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm guessing Obama never read the part in the oath of office about all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Doesn't matter to him. He has his own definition of "enemies", and, OF COURSE, he's "always right".

87 filetandrelease  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:21:25am

re: #49 Kosh's Shadow

But letting your anger go - like 0bama said in his racism speech - can be very powerful. Especially when you have a lot of people to riot.

“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”

88 Edgar  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:21:36am

re: #82 smokefire

how about passing the time with a little game of Solitare, Barry?

I'll beat him at Twister, that's for sure.

89 Cartman  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:21:40am

re: #39 JustMyView

Um, did you notice that the source Charles cited was MSNBC?

Even a blind squirrel (PMSNBC) finds a nut, every now and then.

90 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:21:41am

re: #3 Walter L. Newton

I read this this morning. It doesn't seem to include any NEW information than the story conveyed when it first came out. And, once again, it's not being covered by the MSM (no, I don't consider the WT to be mainstream, for a matter of fact, I sometimes question it all together)

Oops, boy did I space out. I was reading a Washingtimes article in another tab, saw this on LGF and confused what the heck I was posting about.

I got to start drinking again. I never made these mistakes when I was drunk.

91 NoSubmission  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:21:42am

re: #79 buzzsawmonkey
A co-worker of mine couldn't understand why Obama's 20 years in a racist church was such big deal to me...

92 alien_mind  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:22:03am

"thats not the Minha Husaini I knew"

"he was just a guy from the neighborhood"

93 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:22:14am

re: #84 realwest

I don't know- perhaps there have been charges filed. I've been busy, so I'm not up to speed on any new developments. Let me go looking.

94 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:22:22am

re: #77 DeafDog

I wonder if people people really think he is going to be different as president?

I KNOW he'll be different. He'll be WORSE than he is NOW

95 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:22:25am
96 Edgar  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:22:28am

re: #86 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Doesn't matter to him. He has his own definition of "enemies", and, OF COURSE, he's "always right".

Really? I am too.

97 shibumi  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:22:29am

re: #64 opnion

Obama wrote words to the effect that if the politics broke bad that he would stand with the Muslims.
This guy is still half a Muslim. You do not have a Muslim father, a Muslim stepfather that you attended mosque with, and you do not take Koranic instruction in school & have no residual feelings.
Also if you have a flat out Muslim name as a child seeking your identity, you might conclude , hey I'm a Muslim.

Don't forget his infamous "my Muslim faith" comment. That was quite the Freudian slip that I, as a lifelong Catholic, could never EVER imagine making.

Disclaimer:
Actually dislike Teleprompter Jesus for a multitude of reasons, just mentioning the Muslim thing in passing.

98 realwest  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:22:52am

re: #41 buzzsawmonkey
LOL! What kinda response didja get to that one?

99 Edgar  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:23:16am

re: #92 alien_mind

"thats not the Minha Husaini I knew"

He was just a regular Minha Husaini.

100 RickZ  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:23:23am

re: #5 DoubleU

There is so much Obama is completely unaware or ignorant about. He is either unfit to be President or an awful liar.

Why 'either ... or'? Why not both?

101 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:23:38am
102 NoSubmission  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:23:49am
“Yes, when I knew they were coming it made me uncomfortable,” the attendee said. “There was some hope it wouldn’t get out” into the media, the attendee added. “There was some concern within the Obama camp that some of these people coming may be a political liability.”

HOPE!

103 calvin coolidge  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:24:00am

ACORN met with Hamas and Hezbollah last week and got all the ballots done.

104 sadhu  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:24:06am

It would best for the country if Obama were indicted early next week.

105 joncelli  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:24:16am

Actually, the market has stabilized; trending back up now. Maybe we finally found the bottom?

106 cblesz  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:24:33am

I repeat...HOW THE FUCK IS THIS GUY WINNING THE ELECTION? Have the American people gone mad?

107 Edgar  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:24:35am

re: #100 RickZ

Why 'either ... or'? Why not both?

He's also unfit to be a liar and would be an awful president.

108 smokefire  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:24:54am

re: #103 calvin coolidge

ACORN met with Hamas and Hezbollah last week and got all the ballots done.

.............WHAT without any work accidents. Impossible

109 Oldasdirt  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:24:57am

Farrakhan speaks,,and just pisses off good people,,so speak on louie,

110 nils2en  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:25:06am

Obama IS Muslim! No if's and's or but's about it!

111 maddogg  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:25:07am

re: #79 buzzsawmonkey
Good work.

112 shibumi  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:25:08am

re: #86 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Doesn't matter to him. He has his own definition of "enemies", and, OF COURSE, he's "always right".

He's a narcissist. That's terrifying.
Narcissism Traits

113 cblesz  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:25:13am

Every day there is something new with this guy. God, I hope there is enough time for the voters to get ALL the info and UNDERSTAND it...

114 DeafDog  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:25:18am

It's amazing, but this guy is going to be elected based on his ability to give a good speech. It's dumbfounding.

115 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:25:21am

re: #106 cblesz

I repeat...HOW THE FUCK IS THIS GUY WINNING THE ELECTION? Have the American people gone mad?

in a word ,, yes

116 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:25:34am

re: #4 Ward Cleaver

Yawn. What's up with the Troopergate scandal?

/msm

Yeah, Troopergate is IMPORTANT NEWS.
Associating with domestic terrorists and Muslim extremists, not so much.

117 realwest  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:25:38am

re: #50 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) WHOA Kragar, from your link:

"Texas Watchdog compared Harris County's voter registration roll with the Social Security death index and found more than 4,000 matches -- registered voters that, it appears, are already dead."[emphasis added, realwest]

118 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:25:42am

re: #62 jwb7605

Ribbed Trojan.

that could include an American shaft.

119 Kenneth  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:25:44am

My leg is tingling while I wait for the "That's not the Hamas or Hezbollah I knew..." explanation from Obama.

120 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:25:44am

Wow! Major rumor breaking!

[Link: hillbuzz.wordpress.com...]

121 Edgar  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:25:46am

re: #106 cblesz

I repeat...HOW THE FUCK IS THIS GUY WINNING THE ELECTION?

Ask the pollsters.

122 Wishing  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:25:56am

re: #106 cblesz

I repeat...HOW THE FUCK IS THIS GUY WINNING THE ELECTION? Have the American people gone mad?

He hasnt won a thing. He doesnt have some huge lead in the polls. The American people arent stupid and they will not allow this guy to run the country.
He is going down...

123 victor_yugo  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:25:57am

re: #68 rahmanager

Did anyone else notice the "Messiah is talking" comments from Farrakhan this morning? [Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

Rush is talking big about it right now.

124 JacksonTn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:26:04am

Video on Ayers ..... From Ace:

125 smokefire  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:26:08am

re: #106 cblesz

I repeat...HOW THE FUCK IS THIS GUY WINNING THE ELECTION? Have the American people gone mad?

............you can fool some of the people some of the time

but in this case it is

He is fooling most of the people all of the time.

126 DisturbedEma  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:26:13am

re: #55 Ben Hur

I told someone with a lot of gay friends (and a Barry supporter) that I wasn't voting for HIM because he was against gay marriage.

She was not amused.

Snicker. . .but he is so good at everything else, and the mater of waffling on gay marriage is. . .no . . .big. . .deal. . .

127 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:26:32am

re: #114 DeafDog

It's amazing, but this guy is going to be elected based on his ability to give a good speech. WHITE QUILT. It's dumbfounding.


fixed that for ya

128 rudi  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:26:38am

Obama pals around with Ayers, an unapologetic domestic terrorist.

As we speak, Obama engages in "outreach" to unapologetic and ACTIVE domestic and international terrorists.

Isn't there a crushing campaign issue and ad for seizing by the McCain campaign.

Alas, McCain says "it's not about 2 washed up old terrorists."

Then why the hell question Obama's connection with them in the first place?

Somedays I think McCain actually wants to lose.

129 DisturbedEma  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:26:40am

re: #95 buzzsawmonkey

I've had people blithely dismiss the Ayers connection too.


He was only 8. . .OMG!

130 Florida Lady  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:26:41am

re: #89 Cartman

Even a blind squirrel (PMSNBC) finds a nut, every now and then.

or an acorn . . .

131 Desert Dog  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:26:42am

re: #51 realwest

You are right. Get ready for a campaign to end all campaigns in 2012. The Republicans will have to follow suit. McCain should have done the same, but there's no telling where the money would have come from.

I am certain he will activate the Obama-Hypno-Ray and convince some more weak minded lemmings to vote for him with those "infomercials".

But, let's put things in perspective - it is much more important that Obama gets elected than it is to attempt to keep undo influence out of Presidential politics. Who cares if you can now buy the Presidency....all that really matters is Barack Hussein Obama gets elected. Right? I mean, the ends justify the means...... (do I need the sarc tag?)

132 NoSubmission  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:26:52am

re: #106 cblesz

I repeat...HOW THE FUCK IS THIS GUY WINNING THE ELECTION? Have the American people gone mad?

I heard last night that a cat named Stuart was registered to vote in Ohio.

133 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:26:55am
134 turn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:26:58am

I hope there is time for the McCain camp to get traction on this. I envision another Ayres type video only this time with his muslim terroist associates.

BTW this book is spot on, if you think there is no conncetion between the left and Islam (probably preaching to 99% of the choir here but what the hey - I first heard about it here)
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

135 sadhu  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:26:59am

re: #120 Sharmuta

Wow! Major rumor breaking!

[Link: hillbuzz.wordpress.com...]

WOW is right!

Indict Obama now.

136 nyc redneck  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:27:07am

there is so much bad sh*t on the wall now abt. this grifter.
and it is all sticking. it is so ugly. it reeks.
surely the smell will start alerting people.
and now farrahkan calls him the messiah.
it is beyond crazy that the grifter is this close.

137 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:27:17am
138 Edgar  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:27:26am

re: #128 rudi

Obama pals around with Ayers, an unapologetic domestic terrorist.

As we speak, Obama engages in "outreach" to unapologetic and ACTIVE domestic and international terrorists.

We have to start forcing terrorists to apologize for their despicable acts.

139 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:27:28am

re: #94 sattv4u2

I KNOW he'll be different. He'll be WORSE than he is NOW

Yes, because once he's elected, he won't have to pretend to support Israel. He'll go all out accepting UN resolutions against Israel, probably cutting off aid until there is a Paliterrorist state or two (Fatahistan and Hamasistan), etc.

At the last debate, I didn't get the feeling he really was supporting Israel, but he was saying the words while thinking "I want the Jewish vote".

McCain, on the other hand, was enthusiastic.

140 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:27:30am

re: #35 Ben Hur

There goes the Andrew Sullivan vote.

141 Edgar  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:27:47am

re: #137 buzzsawmonkey

Look at this election, people--and let nobody ever again ask how the Germans could elect Handsome Adolph, or how the German Jews could fool themselves that everything would turn out all right.

Handsome?

142 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:27:57am

re: #132 NoSubmission

I heard last night that a DEAD cat named Stuart was registered to vote in Ohio.


:)

143 Leftfoot Leeds  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:27:59am

Mr. 57 stater Barry O. Will help the Islamic Fascists in any way he can. He already supposedly said he would side with them if push came to shove. If you have not heard of Act For America you should check out the site at www.actforamerica.org
Hi Sharmuta, How da hell ya been?

144 Desert Dog  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:28:06am

re: #132 NoSubmission

I heard last night that a cat named Stuart was registered to vote in Ohio.

My cat would never vote for Obama, even if he promised free catnip

145 rw in san diego  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:28:09am

But, uh, you have to, uh, talk to these people and I will, uh, talk to uh, them, uh.

/

146 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:28:11am

re: #106 cblesz

I repeat...HOW THE FUCK IS THIS GUY WINNING THE ELECTION? Have the American people gone mad?

When did it suddenly become November 5th? Last I looked, the election hasn't happened yet.

147 jwb7605  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:28:15am

re: #137 buzzsawmonkey

Look at this election, people--and let nobody ever again ask how the Germans could elect Handsome Adolph, or how the German Jews could fool themselves that everything would turn out all right.

You got dinged up. Very observant.

148 shibumi  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:28:18am

re: #120 Sharmuta

Wow! Major rumor breaking!

[Link: hillbuzz.wordpress.com...]

Good catch!

149 Occasional Reader  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:28:28am

re: #137 buzzsawmonkey

and let nobody ever again ask how the Germans could elect Handsome Adolph

I don't actually think he was all that handsome.

(But "he vas a better dancer zen Churchill")

150 joncelli  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:28:34am

re: #120 Sharmuta

Better be backed by lots of evidence and Fitzgerald had better announce it LOUDLY to get through the MSM filters.

151 Edgar  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:28:36am

re: #143 Leftfoot Leeds

Mr. 57 stater Barry O. Will help the Islamic Fascists in any way he can. He already supposedly said he would side with them if push came to shove. If you have not heard of Act For America you should check out the site at www.actforamerica.org
Hi Sharmuta, How da hell ya been?

As long as they restrict their attacks to states 50 through 57 it will be fine.

152 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:28:39am

re: #106 cblesz

I repeat...HOW THE FUCK IS THIS GUY WINNING THE ELECTION? Have the American people gone mad?

no,

just thrown under the bus.

153 smokefire  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:28:46am

re: #120 Sharmuta

Wow! Major rumor breaking!

[Link: hillbuzz.wordpress.com...]

The big questions are

Will there be enough time?
Will it make it to court before or after the election?

154 DeafDog  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:29:01am

re: #106 cblesz

I repeat...HOW THE FUCK IS THIS GUY WINNING THE ELECTION? Have the American people gone mad?

1. Bush fatigue. Bush (and his repubican co-conspirators in congress) deserve plenty of the blame for allowing the Federal deficit to get so high. The line that 'Clinton left a surplus' is politically powerful.

2. Yes.

155 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:29:03am

re: #106 cblesz

I repeat...HOW THE FUCK IS THIS GUY WINNING THE ELECTION? Have the American people gone mad?

I wonder if he really is, or if the MSM just wants everyone to believe he is.
Then come the riots that he stole the votes.
We live in interesting times.

156 DisturbedEma  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:29:03am

re: #135 sadhu

WOW is right!

Indict Obama now.

pLEASE PLEASE please!

157 realwest  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:29:10am

re: #74 Oldasdirt
Um, well y'all better get cracking in "your state" - read Kragar's link or my #117.

158 Charles  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:29:20am

It continues to amaze me that CAIR representatives refuse to condemn Hamas or Hezbollah directly. They must know how freakin' flat-out guilty it makes them look. Why not just lie and condemn them? They have no problem lying about absolutely everything else.

159 smokefire  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:29:25am

re: #122 Wishing

He hasnt won a thing. He doesnt have some huge lead in the polls. The American people arent stupid and they will not allow this guy to run the country.
He is going down...

from your mouth to God's ears

160 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:29:27am
161 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:29:41am
162 DisturbedEma  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:29:46am

re: #138 Edgar

We have to start forcing terrorists to apologize for their despicable acts.


And get them to admit that their victims are to blame, Wright? sarc

163 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:29:52am

re: #117 realwest

WHOA Kragar, from your link:

"Texas Watchdog compared Harris County's voter registration roll with the Social Security death index and found more than 4,000 matches -- registered voters that, it appears, are already dead."[emphasis added, realwest]

They're just resting.
Pining for the fjords.

164 opnion  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:29:53am

There was some Obama babe from Chicago on FNC this morning.
Get this, she claimed that the McCain speech at the Wisconsin rallly was, get this "Political" She then went on to say that BHO puts country first.
That's right . the terrorist huggin, anti Amwerican racist , puts country fiirst, not war hero McCain.
I would challenge any of them to find one pro American statement from BHO, before he started running for President.

165 gman  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:30:05am

If Obama is elected, these freaks are going to be coming out of the woodworks to meet with him and it won't be considered a "mistake". It will be called "firm diplomacy".

166 DisturbedEma  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:30:06am

re: #159 smokefire

from your mouth to God's ears

Ditto

167 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:30:12am
168 NoSubmission  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:30:22am

re: #144 Desert Dog

My cat would never vote for Obama, even if he promised free catnip


I actually have a dog named Stuart and I can tell you that he's voting McCain.

169 Occasional Reader  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:30:32am

So which other religions get "outreach directors" on the Obama campaign? Anyone?

170 jwb7605  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:30:35am

re: #120 Sharmuta

Wow! Major rumor breaking!

[Link: hillbuzz.wordpress.com...]

The irony is that this link comes from people who buy into Hillary's land and cattle investment deals.

171 DeafDog  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:30:53am

re: #127 sattv4u2

fixed that for ya

He knits?

:-) - Sorry. Coudn't resist.

172 Edgar  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:30:59am

re: #158 Charles

They must know how freakin' flat-out guilty it makes them look. Why not just lie and condemn them?

They believed in moral relativity, a new form of pseudoscience.

173 DisturbedEma  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:31:12am

re: #160 buzzsawmonkey

They reject the idea that Ayers--or Wright, or Khalidi, or any of Obama's other fundamental political connections--could ever have any influence over him.

Madness.

Sheer and utter. . .for sure

174 Kenneth  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:31:24am

re: #106 cblesz

Most of the media is not covering any of this stuff. Remember the speech McCain gave in New Mexico a few days ago? It was mostly about the economy and how Obama & the Democrats created the financial meltdown. The media turned around and wrote, "Seeking to avoid the damaging issue of the economy, an unstable McCain went negative and launched an angry personal attack on the godlike Obama."

Unfortunately, many Americans refuse to listen to any news source outside their liberal comfort zone.

175 debutaunt  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:31:28am

re: #9 Sharmuta

But the link is from msnbc.

There have been rumors that the msm love affair might be over. Maybe it is.

Must be more going on than a stinky airplane.

176 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:31:33am

October surprise: The One indicted?

177 realwest  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:31:33am

re: #80 ibmkeyboard
Hey my friend - well when Mom and I moved back down to NC in 2006, we had to present proof of citizenship (or social security card) to get drivers license - or in my case a pedestrian's license!) so maybe it's not quite that bad?!

178 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:31:36am

re: #129 DisturbedEma

He was only 8. . .OMG!

I was only 16 when Manson had his surrogates kill Tate and LoBianco. I think I'll see if Charles (Manson) will help me kick off my political carreer

179 jorline  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:31:54am

Sorry for the OT and if the story is a repost, BUT

Berlusconi Says Leaders May Close World's Markets (Update1)

Oct. 10 (Bloomberg) -- Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi said political leaders are discussing the idea of closing the world's financial markets while they ``rewrite the rules of international finance.''

180 FloridaAnole  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:31:55am

Holy crap, some friends this guy Obama has! Ayers and Dohrn, Rev. Wright, Louis Farrakhan, now a bunch of Islamic terrorists.

(Noticed that Krauthammer is now expressing some reservations about Bambi's friendship with Ayers and other associations, while seeming to imply, regretfully, that Bambi is as good as elected. No thanks to him, I might add, as he was the first conservative to join the wolf pack baying after Sarah Palin.

181 jwb7605  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:32:09am

re: #161 taxfreekiller

Charles,
Re: Edgar

We here at lgf's are at work attempting to save America from great harm,
just could be we do not need Edgar's bull shit getting in the way.

just my opinion

out in the open for all to see

Everybody ding TFK #161 up.
Let Charles take the voting count.
(ACORN not involved, here!)

182 Edgar  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:32:16am

re: #161 taxfreekiller

Charles,
Re: Edgar

We here at lgf's are at work attempting to save America from great harm,
just could be we do not need Edgar's bull shit getting in the way.

just my opinion

I guess Edgar's opinion must be silenced, then.

183 Occasional Reader  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:32:40am

re: #167 buzzsawmonkey

"Handsome Adolph" was an ironic reference to Hitler back in the early '30s.

Is he anything like Handsome Pete?

184 realwest  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:32:59am

re: #93 Sharmuta
"Let me go looking."
Thanks a lot Sharm!

185 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:33:00am

re: #171 DeafDog

He knits?

:-) - Sorry. Coudn't resist.

no problem , it would have had better impact if I FUCKIN SPELLED IT RIGHT! ''


gggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

186 FloridaAnole  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:33:01am

re: #106 cblesz

I repeat...HOW THE FUCK IS THIS GUY WINNING THE ELECTION? Have the American people gone mad?

Because the People think this is American Idol, and Bambi is the best performer.

187 smokefire  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:33:09am

re: #158 Charles

It continues to amaze me that CAIR representatives refuse to condemn Hamas or Hezbollah directly. They must know how freakin' flat-out guilty it makes them look. Why not just lie and condemn them? They have no problem lying about absolutely everything else.

Charles don't they still think that the earth is flat?

If you have to ask, Charles.

188 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:33:29am
189 shibumi  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:33:57am

re: #176 newsjunkie_ky

October surprise: The One indicted?

If so... Excellent.

190 realwest  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:34:06am

re: #110 nils2en
And your proof of that claim is ?!

191 jwb7605  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:34:19am

re: #182 Edgar

I guess Edgar's opinion must be silenced, then.

There's a difference between trolling and an honest opinion.
Most of us have seen your flashy lure, and scroll right past it.

192 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:34:21am

More rumors-

[Link: hillbuzz.wordpress.com...]

God bless the PUMAs!

193 pat  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:34:30am

There were no preconditions to the meeting?

194 DisturbedEma  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:34:32am

re: #172 Edgar

They believed in moral relativity, a new form of pseudoscience.

Actually it is used quite liberally by Wright, Farrakhan, and their ilk. . .when in Rome, use Roman rules of behavior. . .

problem is, with this set in place to absolve things like 9-11. . .their culture SAID they could attack. . .you then give the green light to things like civilian deaths in Iraq. . .you know, since the Iraqis kill women and children in war.. . .we then cannot be condemning the US. . .oh, WAIT, we are held to a higher standard of behavior, right?

You cannot have it both ways in this situation- either all against all or western civ ROE. . .

195 obscured by clouds  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:34:39am

Obama "reaches out" alright - to terrorists and the enemies of this country. God help us all if this Manchurian, fifth column, candidate gets elected.

196 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:34:44am
197 shibumi  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:34:45am

re: #120 Sharmuta

Wow! Major rumor breaking!

[Link: hillbuzz.wordpress.com...]

Posted this in the links Sharmuta, and gave you credit. : )

198 R_DaneelOlivaw  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:34:52am

His terrorist connections are to worrying. He shouldn't be running for President at all. The Democratic party really have switched far left.

199 victor_yugo  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:35:17am

re: #167 buzzsawmonkey

"Handsome Adolph" was an ironic reference to Hitler back in the early '30s.

It'd work today, too.

200 DisturbedEma  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:35:17am

re: #178 sattv4u2

I was only 16 when Manson had his surrogates kill Tate and LoBianco. I think I'll see if Charles (Manson) will help me kick off my political carreer


shudder

201 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:35:19am

Gazing upon masochistic self-righteousness

202 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:35:20am

re: #106 cblesz

I repeat...HOW THE FUCK IS THIS GUY WINNING THE ELECTION? Have the American people gone mad?

They want to believe. It's that willing suspension of disbelief that Plousie was talking about.

203 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:35:24am

re: #176 newsjunkie_ky

October surprise: The One indicted?

Could very well be. Depends on how Tony sings, and if Rod is involved.

204 Ben Hur  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:35:26am

Manchurian-American.

Please, people.

205 Occasional Reader  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:35:31am

re: #176 newsjunkie_ky

October surprise: The One indicted?

That would, ah, maybe be too much of a good thing. So to speak.

Please take a moment to imagine the reaction.

I would prefer to just see the sucker lose the election, thanks.

206 smokefire  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:35:39am

re: #189 shibumi

If so... Excellent.

damn, I would even take this over Chris Dodd being led out in bracelets.

207 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:35:40am
He bought that town house sometime between 1997-2000 or so, since he lived there for a few years before trading up to the Obama Mansion with Rezko’s help in 2005, after he was in the United States Senate. And it looks like the payback was not given to the Giannoulias family until 2006, with Obama’s endorsement of Alexi Giannoulias for State Treasurer.


Too bad it will be after the election.
Being arrested during a debate might turn the voters against Obama.

Unless they forget to read him his rights.

/Racists

208 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:35:49am

re: #158 Charles

It continues to amaze me that CAIR representatives refuse to condemn Hamas or Hezbollah directly. They must know how freakin' flat-out guilty it makes them look. Why not just lie and condemn them? They have no problem lying about absolutely everything else.

They don't want to upset their base?

209 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:35:54am
210 DeafDog  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:36:02am

re: #120 Sharmuta

Wow! Major rumor breaking!

[Link: hillbuzz.wordpress.com...]

As much as I want to believe it, I think it's too juicy. Even if it is true, if federal prosecuters were to lay charges on Obama their would be riots like we've never seen before. That will not happen based on Rezko testimony alone. They would need to have a direct paper trail to bring charges.

211 Ben Hur  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:36:21am

re: #186 FloridaAnole


Can you please tell me the correct way to pronounce your nic?

Thanks.

212 maddogg  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:36:27am

re: #192 Sharmuta

More rumors-

[Link: hillbuzz.wordpress.com...]

God bless the PUMAs!

/not to get carried away or anything, but the enemy of my enemy is not by default my friend.

213 turn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:36:48am

LGF lesson learned long ago, don't feed the trolls.re: #148 shibumi

Good catch!

Wow, no s%^$!. What an October surprise that would be, don't have a lot of respect for Fitzgerald after the Plame investigation though. Then again, maybe he can dog this one out too and nail the O.

OT LGF lesson learned long ago, please don't feed the trolls.

214 DisturbedEma  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:36:51am

re: #210 DeafDog

As much as I want to believe it, I think it's too juicy. Even if it is true, if federal prosecuters were to lay charges on Obama their would be riots like we've never seen before. That will not happen based on Rezko testimony alone. They would need to have a direct paper trail to bring charges.

There has to be SOMETHING

215 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:37:22am

re: #210 DeafDog

Sounds to me like Hillbuzz doesn't think it will happen before the election re: rezco. However- the PUMAs working with the RNC is very interesting.

216 turn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:37:29am

re: #213 turn


Wow how did you f%^$ that post up?

217 cblesz  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:37:37am

re: #197 shibumi

Posted this in the links Sharmuta, and gave you credit. : )


How reputable is this? (Before I get a chubby)...

218 opnion  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:37:47am

re: #158 Charles

It continues to amaze me that CAIR representatives refuse to condemn Hamas or Hezbollah directly. They must know how freakin' flat-out guilty it makes them look. Why not just lie and condemn them? They have no problem lying about absolutely everything else.


Honor among terrorists?

219 Occasional Reader  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:37:54am

re: #179 jorline

Sorry for the OT and if the story is a repost, BUT

Berlusconi Says Leaders May Close World's Markets (Update1)

Wow.

This does not make me feel any better.

220 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:38:01am

re: #212 maddogg

/not to get carried away or anything, but the enemy of my enemy is not by default my friend.

I know- but sometimes they're a good temporary ally.

221 JustMyView  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:38:08am

re: #169 Occasional Reader

So which other religions get "outreach directors" on the Obama campaign? Anyone?

Pretty much all of them. Well, at least he has outreach efforts toward pretty much all religious groups, so I assume those efforts have directors.

222 DisturbedEma  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:38:16am

re: #218 opnion

Honor among terrorists?

Party Loyalty. . .?

223 Athos  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:38:22am

re: #182 Edgar

I guess Edgar's opinion must be silenced, then.

I would venture to say that most have you in scroll over country anyhow - and that is purely because of your own doing. Just what are you contributing except reinforcing those opinions?

224 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:38:46am

re: #137 buzzsawmonkey

Look at this election, people--and let nobody ever again ask how the Germans could elect Handsome Adolph, or how the German Jews could fool themselves that everything would turn out all right.

Both men had/have the messianic fervor of their supporters down pat. It sure is a chilling comparison and contrast.

225 Athos  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:39:02am

re: #208 Sharmuta

They don't want to upset their base?

Ding Ding Ding

226 Occasional Reader  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:39:05am

re: #158 Charles

It continues to amaze me that CAIR representatives refuse to condemn Hamas or Hezbollah directly. They must know how freakin' flat-out guilty it makes them look.

They have a reasonable belief that they can get away with it. I am sorry to say.

227 Equable  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:39:07am

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

228 Wishing  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:39:19am

re: #212 maddogg

/not to get carried away or anything, but the enemy of my enemy is not by default my friend.

Their reasons for voting for McCain are different from ours, agreed. But they MAY offset the fraudulent stuff ACORN has set in motion for the genral election.
I think there are about 7 million PUMA's...(I read that somewhere, sorry, no link)

229 debutaunt  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:39:21am

re: #69 Ward Cleaver

They were executed, and their bodies dumped during Hurricane Katrina!

/cynthia mckinney

MSNBC link?

230 DisturbedEma  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:39:24am

re: #221 JustMyView

Pretty much all of them. Well, at least he has outreach efforts toward pretty much all religious groups, so I assume those efforts have directors.

His Obamatrons put an ad in the Jewish paper wishing us a 'happy New Year"

Bet he meant something more along the lines of . . .last year in Jerusalem?

231 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:39:36am

re: #158 Charles

It continues to amaze me that CAIR representatives refuse to condemn Hamas or Hezbollah directly. They must know how freakin' flat-out guilty it makes them look. Why not just lie and condemn them? They have no problem lying about absolutely everything else.

They know the Obmanation is on its way!

/ coming out of a well,
or sewer?

232 DeafDog  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:39:40am

re: #158 Charles

It continues to amaze me that CAIR representatives refuse to condemn Hamas or Hezbollah directly. They must know how freakin' flat-out guilty it makes them look. Why not just lie and condemn them? They have no problem lying about absolutely everything else.


In fairness to CAIR, ever sence the Fwench and AMericans kicked hezbollah out of Lebennon, they have been responsible members of the world community.....Joe Biden.

233 DisturbedEma  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:39:49am

re: #226 Occasional Reader

They have a reasonable belief that they can get away with it. I am sorry to say.

Because they do

234 Alouette  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:39:52am

re: #188 buzzsawmonkey

Yesterday it occurred to me how many times during Vidui we must repent for "silly speech." I really must not use the "F" word on LGF.

235 realwest  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:39:58am

re: #140 Iron Fist
Hey Bro' - long time no chat! If you can, please drop me an e-mail, ok?!

236 WriterMom  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:40:30am

re: #158 Charles

They CAN'T put them down, their allegience is to the same forces-this is the ONLY thing they are honest about.

They couldn't care less 'how it makes them look'.

237 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:41:25am
238 maddogg  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:41:25am

re: #231 ibmkeyboard

They know the Obmanation is on its way!

/ coming out of a well,
or sewer?

A one holy outhouse.

239 WriterMom  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:41:39am

re: #226 Occasional Reader

Like I just said-it's the only thing they can't lie about. In their hearts, they are kindred spirits. So they just dance around, with standard words about 'condemning ALL' acts of terrorism, blah blah.

240 RickZ  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:41:39am

re: #81 Sharmuta

Uh- this is from msnbc, surprisingly enough.

In my defense, I did say 'legs', and I think we all know what that means in the 24 hour news/infotainment cycle. I just think it's a 'random act of journalism', going nowhere. But who knows? Maybe Obama is so corrupt that some intrepid reporter wants a Pullitzer for digging despite the stench.

241 doppelganglander  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:41:41am

re: #153 smokefire

The big questions are

Will there be enough time?
Will it make it to court before or after the election?

It doesn't really matter if the indictments happen before the election, although of course that would be preferable. Merely announcing the investigation and tying Obama's name to it might be enough.

Incidentally, my husband swears he heard an official in Indianapolis (proud home of 105% voter registration) say that he was well aware ACORN was behind it and Obama is behind ACORN, and he would proceed accordingly. If anyone has more information, that would be great.

242 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:41:43am

re: #235 realwest

K. Tempus does fugit, doesn't it?

243 Occasional Reader  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:41:58am

I'm thinking I should do my economic duty this weekend and buy some American-made products. Maybe this.

244 JacksonTn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:41:59am

re: #210 DeafDog

As much as I want to believe it, I think it's too juicy. Even if it is true, if federal prosecuters were to lay charges on Obama their would be riots like we've never seen before. That will not happen based on Rezko testimony alone. They would need to have a direct paper trail to bring charges.

So? Are we to be intimated? No, I will not be intimated .....

245 WriterMom  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:42:07am

re: #237 buzzsawmonkey

You and I are on the same wavelength on this.

246 realwest  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:42:12am

re: #153 smokefire
Doesn't have to make it to court before the election, just indicting Obama would do the trick. Course, if he doesn't get it into court before January 20th and if Obama is elected, Patrick will simply disappear down the memory hole of US prosecutors.

247 turn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:42:33am

re: #158 Charles

It continues to amaze me that CAIR representatives refuse to condemn Hamas or Hezbollah directly. They must know how freakin' flat-out guilty it makes them look. Why not just lie and condemn them? They have no problem lying about absolutely everything else.


Dr. Sanity talked about their shame based religion and society (cough - cough), loosing face may be far worse to them than appearing guilty. Just guessing.

248 Ben Hur  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:42:34am

re: #158 Charles

It continues to amaze me that CAIR representatives refuse to condemn Hamas or Hezbollah directly. They must know how freakin' flat-out guilty it makes them look. Why not just lie and condemn them? They have no problem lying about absolutely everything else.


They can condemn "terrorism" loudly, because no one will challenge them on what their definition of "terrorism" is.

They won't condemn Hezbollah and SAMAH, because they don't see them as terror orgs.

Very similar to the Palis condemning terrorism against civilians "on both sides...."

249 smokefire  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:42:38am

re: #236 WriterMom

They CAN'T put them down, their allegiance is to the same forces-this is the ONLY thing they are honest about.

They couldn't care less 'how it makes them look'.

..............because it is us, the unbeliever's the non-Muslims that need the reeducating or executing.

SARC

250 JacksonTn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:42:53am

re: #215 Sharmuta

Sounds to me like Hillbuzz doesn't think it will happen before the election re: rezco. However- the PUMAs working with the RNC is very interesting.

a woman scorned ......... Hell to Pay

251 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:42:56am

re: #106 cblesz

I repeat...HOW THE FUCK IS THIS GUY WINNING THE ELECTION? Have the American people gone mad?

No, they've gone ignorant.

252 Oldasdirt  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:43:05am

re: #120 Sharmuta

Wow! Major rumor breaking!

[Link: hillbuzz.wordpress.com...]

Rezco singing,,music to my ears!

253 Athos  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:43:35am

re: #232 DeafDog

I am still shocked about that huge gaffe getting next to no attention.....and it came from the supposed foreign policy expert on that ticket.

254 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:43:36am

re: #182 Edgar

I guess Edgar's opinion must be silenced, then.

I don't silence your opinion, I just flat-out ignore it.

255 Ben Hur  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:43:41am

re: #237 buzzsawmonkey

One of the fascinating things about even pathological liars is that they tend to shrink from telling a complete untruth. They will talk around the truth; they will construct and demolish strawmen, as Obama did in his recent statement on Ayers; they will concoct lengthy preliminary or ex post facto explanations which are designed to obscure the truth or justify it; but they flinch, more often than not, from telling direct, flat-out falsehoods.

One of the easiest, fastest, and best ways that you can determine someone is lying is if he provides, unbidden, an answer to a question you have not asked. This is true in personal relationships--as in when a partner comes in past their usual time and, unbidden, launches into a lengthy explanation of where they were, what the traffic problems were, etc., etc. --as much as in politics. What the Unbidden Explainer is doing is concocting an alibi, and verbalizing it in a pre-emptive attempt not only to forestall questions, but to find the weaknesses in the story for future emendation, and to fix the talking points of the falsehood in mind.

That's it.

I'm calling my wife!

CAIR's representatives run true to type in this. They hesitate to tell an out and out falsehood, for an out and out falsehood can be disproven. Far better to prevaricate with stories that provide endless wiggle room.

256 DeafDog  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:43:46am

re: #214 DisturbedEma

Something would not do it. Obama's basically untouchable at this point...even more so than the Clintons with whitewater.

257 turn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:43:56am

re: #161 taxfreekiller


You have five dings up so far on that TFK, mine being the latest.

258 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:44:00am

re: #215 Sharmuta

Sounds to me like Hillbuzz doesn't think it will happen before the election re: rezco. However- the PUMAs working with the RNC is very interesting.

Yes, it is very interesting.

Some background on Alxeis Giannoulias. His family owns the Broadway Bank. The Broadway Bank is apparently tied into Rezko, and the Outfit. Giannoulias got a major boost when Senator Obama backed him for Treasurer in 2006.

259 WriterMom  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:44:02am

re: #248 Ben Hur

zactly

260 JacksonTn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:44:29am

re: #227 Equable

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

Blammo! congrats Six Milion Post Man

261 smokefire  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:44:40am

re: #241 doppelganglander

It doesn't really matter if the indictments happen before the election, although of course that would be preferable. Merely announcing the investigation and tying Obama's name to it might be enough.

Incidentally, my husband swears he heard an official in Indianapolis (proud home of 105% voter registration) say that he was well aware ACORN was behind it and Obama is behind ACORN, and he would proceed accordingly. If anyone has more information, that would be great.

talk is cheap. Money talks and Bullsh*t walks.

Time to start barraging the MSM with all of this.

Like the man said in Wisconsin.
I'm begging you.

262 Ben Hur  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:44:45am

re: #255 Ben Hur

WTF?

263 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:44:50am

re: #238 maddogg

A one holy outhouse.

Yeah,
shit floats.

my momma told me not to use that word.

*whack*

264 phoenixgirl  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:44:57am

so what his pastor is a racist
so what he went to a madrassa
so what he's friends with terrorists
so what he got money from fnma/fhlmc
so what he was a member of the socialist party
so what he campaigned for odinga
so what his brother lives in a hut
so what he won't produce his birth certificate
so what he smoked pot
so what he snorted coke
so what he smokes! omg, he smokes!
so what his wife hates amerikkka
so what he's friends with rezko
so what he's going to raise taxes
so what he's going to withdraw the troops
so what he's pals with calypso louie
so what he was unaware that have 50 stars on our flag because we have 50 states
so what he wears a bracelet that he was asked not to
you people are so picky/

265 Athos  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:45:06am

re: #237 buzzsawmonkey

Every successful lie has to have within it an element of verifiable truth. So when the lie is challenged - it is defended by pointing to that element of truth which sets up a change in subject.....

266 yma o hyd  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:45:10am

re: #120 Sharmuta

Wow! Major rumor breaking!

[Link: hillbuzz.wordpress.com...]

This might help to decide fence-sitters to stay off voting for B0 - if published widely.

It won't get B0 into jail before the elections ... and if he wins, it'll be water under the bridge.

Still - wahey!

267 arethusa  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:45:11am

re: #179 jorline

Sorry for the OT and if the story is a repost, BUT

Berlusconi Says Leaders May Close World's Markets (Update1)

He's already screwed up Italy, now he wants to screw up the world.

268 Equable  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:45:12am

re: #260 JacksonTn

Blammo! congrats Six Milion Post Man

Thank you very much!

269 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:45:32am
270 Ben Hur  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:45:33am

re: #237 buzzsawmonkey

One of the fascinating things about even pathological liars is that they tend to shrink from telling a complete untruth. They will talk around the truth; they will construct and demolish strawmen, as Obama did in his recent statement on Ayers; they will concoct lengthy preliminary or ex post facto explanations which are designed to obscure the truth or justify it; but they flinch, more often than not, from telling direct, flat-out falsehoods.

One of the easiest, fastest, and best ways that you can determine someone is lying is if he provides, unbidden, an answer to a question you have not asked. This is true in personal relationships--as in when a partner comes in past their usual time and, unbidden, launches into a lengthy explanation of where they were, what the traffic problems were, etc., etc. --as much as in politics. What the Unbidden Explainer is doing is concocting an alibi, and verbalizing it in a pre-emptive attempt not only to forestall questions, but to find the weaknesses in the story for future emendation, and to fix the talking points of the falsehood in mind.

CAIR's representatives run true to type in this. They hesitate to tell an out and out falsehood, for an out and out falsehood can be disproven. Far better to prevaricate with stories that provide endless wiggle room.


That's it.

I'm calling my wife!

Redux.

271 turn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:45:36am

re: #165 gman

If Obama is elected, these freaks are going to be coming out of the woodworks to meet with him and it won't be considered a "mistake". It will be called "firm diplomacy".

Wow, never thought about that but I TOTALLY agree.

272 WriterMom  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:45:47am

re: #221 JustMyView

Yes, his outreach efforts to Jews have included tricking Israeli security experts into thinking they were participating in a documentary about American politics, and then cut and paste the tape into a pro-Obama video.

273 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:45:52am

re: #250 JacksonTn

a woman scorned ......... Hell to Pay

And Fitz is a Clinton appointee. Hell to pay, indeed.

274 Florida Lady  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:46:07am

re: #220 Sharmuta

I know- but sometimes they're a good temporary ally.


Agreed! Honest Americans are sickened by this Obama mess and want to do what they can to get rid of this cancer being pushed on us, coutesy of the crazy extreme left and the MSM.

275 arethusa  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:46:13am

re: #176 newsjunkie_ky

October surprise: The One indicted?

Takes too long to get an indictment.

276 doppelganglander  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:46:14am

re: #192 Sharmuta

More rumors-

[Link: hillbuzz.wordpress.com...]

God bless the PUMAs!

I almost just had a little moment of ecstasy reading that story, if you know what I mean.

277 Archimedes  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:46:17am

re: #106 cblesz

I repeat...HOW THE FUCK IS THIS GUY WINNING THE ELECTION? Have the American people gone mad?

The public school system. They don't just teach the three Rs any more. (1)


(1) do they teach the three Rs?

278 funky chicken  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:46:20am

re: #24 Desert Dog

Don't matter.....he could stomp a puppy to death and eat it raw during his 30 minute "infomerical" he has scheduled next week on the major networks and his poll numbers would still go up.

Because the polls are manipulated data. Sound and fury indicating nothing.

279 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:46:46am

re: #274 Florida Lady

Yes- read some PUMA sites and you'll see these people are really, truly pissed at their party.

280 maddogg  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:46:50am

re: #161 taxfreekiller

Charles,
Re: Edgar

We here at lgf's are at work attempting to save America from great harm,
just could be we do not need Edgar's bull shit getting in the way.

just my opinion

out in the open for all to see

Sorry, will not upding on that one. He hasn't been nasty enough for me to ask The Big Lizard to intervene. Besides, not my website.

281 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:47:07am

re: #276 doppelganglander

I almost just had a little moment of ecstasy reading that story, if you know what I mean.

I do!

282 Wishing  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:47:14am
283 phoenixgirl  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:47:20am

re: #276 doppelganglander

I almost just had a little moment of ecstasy reading that story, if you know what I mean.

it will be quashed when the hope for homeowner's rescues him and he gets to keep the house!

284 WriterMom  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:47:24am

re: #132 NoSubmission

I'm thinking Stuart might be the most informed voter for Obama...

285 interloper  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:47:40am

Liberals are soo full of Hate I don't understand why anyone would want "Haters" of any kind ruling over them. What is wrong with Omerica when our very newsies egg on the hatred of Christians who only Love them, I don't Hate Liberals - but yet I have been treated horribly by them. I have been threatened by them, I have had my career almost destroyed by them. I have seen then bust into our church on Sunday and screaming obscenities. I pray Jesus will save us who seek his Grace!

McCain doesn't care about the very people who beg him to fight for them. Why is that? Why is he so nice all of the sudden?

I wonder what the Obama Nation will feed us when they open the "Conservative Christian Re-Education Camps" and herd us into them?

I guess with all those blue shirted, fatigue wearing supporters who HATE BUSH to keep us safe from thinking about freedom, we'll all just be fine.

I wonder - We're all doomed

286 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:47:53am

Obama has the advantage.

there is so much shit floating around about him that the American people are becoming immune to the smell.

287 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:47:54am
288 jwb7605  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:48:03am

re: #252 Oldasdirt

Rezco singing,,music to my ears!

I would be quite surprised if Rezko were singing about Obama directly.
I actually believe Rezko wants to live for a while, and singing the wrong tune and landing in the wrong cell because he sang the wrong tune is not conducive to good health in prison, or so I've heard.

There were tons of rumors about the same type of thing during the Clinton administration.

289 johnnyreb  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:48:05am

Just a question, but does President Bush have a "muslim outreach" guy on his staff?

290 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:48:17am
291 Oldasdirt  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:48:18am

re: #264 phoenixgirl

so what his pastor is a racist
so what he went to a madrassa
so what he's friends with terrorists
so what he got money from fnma/fhlmc
so what he was a member of the socialist party
so what he campaigned for odinga
so what his brother lives in a hut
so what he won't produce his birth certificate
so what he smoked pot
so what he snorted coke
so what he smokes! omg, he smokes!
so what his wife hates amerikkka
so what he's friends with rezko
so what he's going to raise taxes
so what he's going to withdraw the troops
so what he's pals with calypso louie
so what he was unaware that have 50 stars on our flag because we have 50 states
so what he wears a bracelet that he was asked not to
you people are so picky/

You forgot he dosent look like the people on our money.

292 arethusa  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:48:28am

re: #285 interloper

As liberals kept reminding Republicans in the 1990's, "Hate is not a family value." Shame they couldn't listen to themselves.

293 Beach Lover  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:48:31am

of course, I'm down on the dead thread, posting my well thought out, uh, thoughts. And here you all are!
What's up?

294 DeafDog  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:48:52am

re: #244 JacksonTn


Intimidated? No. Very cautious? Yes.

No way they can indict Obama based on the word of Rezko.

If Rezko is talking about Obama, they could make Rezko's claims public prior to the elections, which could sway the results. But there is no way to bring an indictment prior to the election unless there was an amazingly string paper trail. It would be national suicide.

295 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:48:59am
296 JacksonTn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:49:08am

re: #244 JacksonTn

So? Are we to be intimated? No, I will not be intimated .....

PIMF .....intimidated .....anyway ........ I ain't skeeeeeerrred ....

297 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:49:14am

re: #279 Sharmuta

Yes- read some PUMA sites and you'll see these people are really, truly pissed at their party.

But will that feeling last past the attempted evisceration of the O? Once he has been dispatched they will likely go back to voting Dem simply because they have always done that.

298 WriterMom  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:49:26am

re: #290 buzzsawmonkey

MEOW! Vote for Obama!

299 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:49:35am
300 Ben Hur  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:49:41am

Rezco will off himself in jail.

301 Athos  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:49:58am

re: #286 ibmkeyboard

When much of the MSM is busy telling them that the smell is from something else - it's not surprising a largely apathetic group when it comes to politics believes the crap they are being fed....

302 smokefire  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:50:02am

re: #294 DeafDog

Intimidated? No. Very cautious? Yes.

No way they can indict Obama based on the word of Rezko.

If Rezko is talking about Obama, they could make Rezko's claims public prior to the elections, which could sway the results. But there is no way to bring an indictment prior to the election unless there was an amazingly string paper trail. It would be national suicide.

and in comes Hillary on her white horse to save the country........................

Good God, did I just say that.

Must be the cough medicine

303 Wishing  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:50:25am

re: #297 FurryOldGuyJeans

But will that feeling last past the attempted evisceration of the O? Once he has been dispatched they will likely go back to voting Dem simply because they have always done that.

Well yes of course they will go back to being Dems. But the balance of a Republican in the WH is necessary and even THEY know it!

304 arethusa  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:50:36am

re: #297 FurryOldGuyJeans

But will that feeling last past the attempted evisceration of the O? Once he has been dispatched they will likely go back to voting Dem simply because they have always done that.

Depends...if he's as bad a President as I think he might be, they probably would vote against him or Democratic Congressmen/Senators to send a message. It happened in 1994 and 2006.

305 jamgarr  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:50:53am

re: #158 Charles

It continues to amaze me that CAIR representatives refuse to condemn Hamas or Hezbollah directly. They must know how freakin' flat-out guilty it makes them look. Why not just lie and condemn them? They have no problem lying about absolutely everything else.

By always falling back on the "we condemn all acts of terrorism" line they can get in a shot implying that Israel is terroristic every time they answer the question. Simple.

306 Celtic Templar  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:50:59am

re: #297 FurryOldGuyJeans

But will that feeling last past the attempted evisceration of the O? Once he has been dispatched they will likely go back to voting Dem simply because they have always done that.

One election at a time ... An enemy of my enemy can be my friend for this vote (IMO).

307 DeafDog  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:51:05am

re: #253 Athos

I am still shocked about that huge gaffe getting next to no attention.....and it came from the supposed foreign policy expert on that ticket.

You and me both, brother.

Palin was so good that night and Biden so bad...but that's just not the way it was spun.

308 JacksonTn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:51:08am

re: #273 Sharmuta

And Fitz is a Clinton appointee. Hell to pay, indeed.

Bill ........ Head PUMA ......not joking either

309 Florida Lady  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:51:24am

re: #297 FurryOldGuyJeans

But will that feeling last past the attempted evisceration of the O? Once he has been dispatched they will likely go back to voting Dem simply because they have always done that.


They want to get The One. That's good enough for me!

After that, they can go back to being the loyal opposition *wink*

310 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:51:42am

re: #302 smokefire

and in comes Hillary on her white horse to save the country........................

Good God, did I just say that.

Must be the cough medicine

Maybe this is why we haven't heard a lot from either Bill or Hillary....they are waiting in the wings for her anointing after the Messiah is dispatched.

311 arethusa  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:51:48am

re: #298 WriterMom

MEOW! Vote for Obama!

My cat is a tuxedo (black and white). Yet even she hisses when Obama comes on the tube. Something about not wanting to be forced to share her food with other cats./

312 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:52:20am

re: #310 FurryOldGuyJeans

Maybe this is why we haven't heard a lot from either Bill or Hillary....they are waiting in the wings for her anointing after the Messiah is dispatched.

nice thought, but if it were to happen, it would have been a month or so ago.

313 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:52:23am

re: #302 smokefire

and in comes Hillary on her white horse to save the country........................

Good God, did I just say that.

Must be the cough medicine

I'd trust Hillary over 0bama.
Hillary won't screw up the country too bad, because it would lessen her power, and she loves power. 0bama believes in internationalism, and will make the US subservient to the UN.

314 Ben Hur  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:52:45am

re: #310 FurryOldGuyJeans

Maybe this is why we haven't heard a lot from either Bill or Hillary....they are waiting in the wings for her anointing after the Messiah is dispatched.

Bill said that he would start after the Jooish holidays.

Haven't heard from him yet.

He still can't beleive that Dems see him as a RACIST.

315 Wishing  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:52:49am

re: #273 Sharmuta

And Fitz is a Clinton appointee. Hell to pay, indeed.

Exactly Sharm...Hillary was robbed of the nomination by these O thugs. She, and her supporters KNOW what happened, they know HOW he did it, and you DO NOT piss ogf a Clinton and live very long

316 funky chicken  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:52:50am

re: #274 Florida Lady

Agreed! Honest Americans are sickened by this Obama mess and want to do what they can to get rid of this cancer being pushed on us, coutesy of the crazy extreme left and the MSM.

Which is why McCain is doing the "bipartisan" thing in his interviews and appearance. He needs those PUMA votes. I read the PUMA sites a lot, and they are simply heartbroken about the ACORN stories, and what the MSM is up to. It's like Obama's takedown of Hillary has pulled the wool from before their eyes.

We need to reach out to them, not mock them.

317 soccerdad  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:52:52am

That's Barack Hussein Obama....Here he comes. They will be dancing in the he streets of Gaza when he gets elected. It'll look like the 9/11 celebrations that we were not allowed to see. But guess what? Ain't gonna happen.

McCain in an electoral landslide.

I do believe that the 'October surprise' will be that the media stop shielding BHO and start actually reporting on some of his radical associations and just simply doing their job. The American people 9and a few racists) will do the rest. This guy is just toooooo radical.

318 JeremiahRight  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:53:00am

re: #158 Charles

I never got that either. Especially after that story came out a while back that talked about how it's okay to lie to infidels if its for a just cause. I have been trying to find a link, but this was all I could find:

“’When it is possible to achieve…an aim by lying but not telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if the goal is permissible, and it is obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory.

“’When, for example, one is concealing a Muslim from an oppressor who asks where he is, it is obligatory to lie about him being hidden.”

You would think this doctrine would let CAIR come out and condemn terrorist groups. Just a thought

319 smokefire  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:53:21am

re: #310 FurryOldGuyJeans

Maybe this is why we haven't heard a lot from either Bill or Hillary....they are waiting in the wings for her anointing after the Messiah is dispatched.

.....orrr, they have been busy little beavers, digging up all this news to drop on the country. Talk about an October Surprise

320 arethusa  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:53:38am

re: #313 Kosh's Shadow

I'd trust Hillary over 0bama.
Hillary won't screw up the country too bad, because it would lessen her power, and she loves power. 0bama believes in internationalism, and will make the US subservient to the UN.

I trust HRC to leave the country in the same (or maybe even a better) state that she found it. I do not trust Obama to do that.

321 DeafDog  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:53:42am

re: #300 Ben Hur

Rezco will off himself in jail.

or have a bizare 'accident'

322 WriterMom  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:53:44am

re: #313 Kosh's Shadow

I remember asking if anyone here in their wildest dreams would have ever thought of themselves saying "GO HILARY".

323 Desert Dog  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:53:50am

re: #311 arethusa

My cat is a tuxedo (black and white). Yet even she hisses when Obama comes on the tube. Something about not wanting to be forced to share her food with other cats./

But your cat has so much, it is only fair to give his food to other cats, so all the cats can be equal, right?

324 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:53:50am

re: #314 Ben Hur

Bill said that he would start after the Jooish holidays.

Haven't heard from him yet.

He still can't beleive that Dems see him as a RACIST.

Well, the High Holidays ended yesterday; Sukkot is coming up next week. I hope he didn't mean after Simchat Torah.

325 johnnyreb  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:54:13am

re: #299 ploome hineni


Thanks, couldn't remember for some odd reason. Possibly a senior moment.

326 Ben Hur  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:54:21am

re: #321 DeafDog

or have a bizare 'accident'


Or go back to the Middle East.

327 jake341  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:54:21am

future trivial pursuit question;
What terrorist group has he NOT met with?

I mean really, this is a guy who's shared his Big Mac and fries with his terrorist buddy Ayers.

328 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:54:44am

re: #302 smokefire

and in comes Hillary on her white horse to save the country........................

Good God, did I just say that.

Must be the cough medicine

I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD SAY THIS!

I WISHED THE HELL I WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR HILLARY.

battleground state NC.

I voted for Obama so I could throw Hillary's ass under the bus,
Now Obanation is throwing my ass under the bus.

I never dreamed McCain might loose?
Damm Damm.

329 smokefire  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:54:55am

re: #321 DeafDog

or have a bizare 'accident'

like a Fort Marcy Park moment.

330 Elcid  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:54:57am

'They' shouldn't be running this idiot for President, 'they' should be running his ass to a federal prison.

Those that believe in this person, are for everything evil this world has to offer.

331 WriterMom  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:54:58am

re: #318 JeremiahRight

Why would CAIR want to condemn Islamic terror groups?

The idea is ludicrious.

332 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:55:10am
A second meeting participant speaking on condition on anonymity said he was stunned to learn that Awad and Bray had been invited to an event where Obama representatives would be present. The participant said Awad and Bray are considered politically “radioactive.” He said that some in the Obama group knew ahead of time that top CAIR officials would be in attendance—an allegation the Obama campaign disputes.

“Yes, when I knew they were coming it made me uncomfortable,” the attendee said. “There was some hope it wouldn’t get out” into the media, the attendee added. “There was some concern within the Obama camp that some of these people coming may be a political liability.”

Note that they are more concerned about how this would be viewed politically than they are about whether they should be there in the first place.

Sorry if this has already been brought up, just popping back in.

333 Osama Bin Porkchop  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:55:23am

re: #138 Edgar

We have to start forcing terrorists to apologize for their despicable acts.

I'd rather skip the apology part, and send them straight to Hell.....

334 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:55:34am

re: #317 soccerdad

That's Barack Hussein Obama....Here he comes. They will be dancing in the he streets of Gaza when he gets elected. It'll look like the 9/11 celebrations that we were not allowed to see. But guess what? Ain't gonna happen.

McCain in an electoral landslide.

I do believe that the 'October surprise' will be that the media stop shielding BHO and start actually reporting on some of his radical associations and just simply doing their job. The American people 9and a few racists) will do the rest. This guy is just toooooo radical.

Then come the riots, because so many people have been led to believe it is the 0 by a landslide, that the cry that "whitey stole the vote!" will be easily believed.

But I'd prefer riots under a McCain administration than an 0bama administration.

335 yma o hyd  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:55:37am

re: #192 Sharmuta

More rumors-

[Link: hillbuzz.wordpress.com...]

God bless the PUMAs!

Bless them indeed!

They have their teeth and claws into B0 and his campaign - that was an excellent article you linked, especially in regard to the polls.

See - not all Americans have lost their minds!

336 dhg4  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:55:37am

I wonder how J-Street and the NJDC will spin this.

337 Wishing  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:55:41am

re: #319 smokefire

.....orrr, they have been busy little beavers, digging up all this news to drop on the country. Talk about an October Surprise

I think that is exactly the case, smoke. Hillary is running for majority leader. She will wait for 2012..In the meantime, she is going to wipe the Zero right out of HER party.

338 smokefire  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:56:06am

re: #328 ibmkeyboard

Be careful what you wished for.

339 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:56:30am

re: #338 smokefire

Be careful what you wished for.

NO SHIT!

340 arethusa  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:56:32am

re: #322 WriterMom

I remember asking if anyone here in their wildest dreams would have ever thought of themselves saying "GO HILARY".

I never thought I'd vote for her. But I did in the TX primary.

341 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:56:39am

Hillary begins to look more sane as time goes on.

And that's sad

342 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:56:48am

re: #273 Sharmuta

And Fitz is a Clinton appointee. Hell to pay, indeed.

Nope. He's a Bush appointee. Senator Peter Fitzgerald (no relation)recommended him to President Bush.

343 JeremiahRight  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:56:55am

re: #321 DeafDog

or have a bizare 'accident'


yeah, he might accidently shoot himself in the head in a park, with his left hand...

344 maddogg  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:56:55am

I don't have any proof to back up my suspicion, but I think Obama is a puppet, and a creation of Bill Ayres.

345 cblesz  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:57:00am

NOT kidding...I would vote for Hillary way before this jackass.

346 realwest  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:57:17am

Hey all y'all - sorry if I haven't anwered any posts to me but apparently I can not run a full Norton Internet/Spyware/Virus scan AND be on LGF at the same time!
Poor computer went haywire!
Now, where were we?! LOL!

347 FloridaAnole  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:57:38am

re: #285 interloper

Pray.

348 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:57:39am

re: #303 Wishing

Well yes of course they will go back to being Dems. But the balance of a Republican in the WH is necessary and even THEY know it!

I seriously doubt they know anything past getting revenge on O for dissing their Prophetess, Hillary.

I am not discounting the vehemence of backlash that seems to be building against the O, but I also realize that there are more races, such as Congressional, going on in conjunction with the POTUS race, and all these "friends" we are gloating about having are just as likely to vote straight party line in all the other races. I just think we could be too short-sighted in our desires for this POTUS election to see the dangers posed in this and future non-POTUS races.

349 dhg4  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:58:11am

re: #313 Kosh's Shadow

I'd trust Hillary over 0bama.
Hillary won't screw up the country too bad, because it would lessen her power, and she loves power. 0bama believes in internationalism, and will make the US subservient to the UN.

Put another way, Hillary Clinton could be counted on to do the right thing if it would benefit her politically, but Barack Obama is too committed to a left wing ideology to do the right thing.

350 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:58:23am

re: #346 realwest

Hey all y'all - sorry if I haven't anwered any posts to me but apparently I can not run a full Norton Internet/Spyware/Virus scan AND be on LGF at the same time!
Poor computer went haywire!
Now, where were we?! LOL!

Sharm posted a couple of good links to HillBuzz up-thread

351 arethusa  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:58:27am

Why do the threads always get interesting when I have to go teach?

352 Wishing  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:58:28am

re: #335 yma o hyd

Bless them indeed!

They have their teeth and claws into B0 and his campaign - that was an excellent article you linked, especially in regard to the polls.

See - not all Americans have lost their minds!

I have been say that over and over. McCain was probably not everyone's first choice for POTUS here on LGF. But at this point he is secondary. The American people will not be voting FOR McCain, they will be voting AGAINST obama.
I am tellin ya, obama is goin down...fast.

353 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:58:31am

re: #333 Osama Bin Porkchop

I'd rather skip the apology part, and send them straight to Hell.....

You dont ask a rabid dog to apologize, you put him down.

354 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:58:50am

re: #342 Honorary Yooper

Thank you for the correction!

355 funky chicken  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:59:04am

re: #178 sattv4u2

I was only 16 when Manson had his surrogates kill Tate and LoBianco. I think I'll see if Charles (Manson) will help me kick off my political carreer

Manson, just like William Ayers has lots of inherited wealth, right? Or was he just the charasmatic lunatic who got the trust fund kiddies to move in and fund the commune?

Either way, your alliance could certainly be quite, er, lucrative. And hey, the good news is that apparently aligning with murderous filth need no longer be an impediment to running for high political office. What a country!

356 maddogg  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:59:14am

re: #353 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You dont ask a rabid dog to apologize, you put him down.

Certainly in my case....

357 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:59:19am

re: #340 arethusa

I never thought I'd vote for her. But I did in the TX primary.

I need to bend over and let y'all kick me in the ass.

358 DeafDog  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:59:20am

re: #326 Ben Hur

Or go back to the Middle East.

The Marc Rich path?

Maybe, but that would be kind. I don't think they do things kind-like in Chicago....I'm guessing it's suicide or accident.

359 smokefire  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:59:29am

re: #351 arethusa

Why do the threads always get interesting when I have to go teach?

someone has to educate the children to the REAL TRUTH, not the crap they are getting today

360 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:59:29am

re: #334 Kosh's Shadow

The riots will be very short lived, if exceptionally bloody. I don't think people in the US are just going to sit around while Abu Jihadi is torching their cars.

361 Desert Dog  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:59:42am

re: #327 jake341

future trivial pursuit question;
What terrorist group has he NOT met with?

I mean really, this is a guy who's shared his Big Mac and fries with his terrorist buddy Ayers.

In his mind, the only terrorist organizations he knows are the RNC and Israel and he will not meet with them, even with preconditions

362 Alouette  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:00:00am

re: #178 sattv4u2

I was only 16 when Manson had his surrogates kill Tate and LoBianco. I think I'll see if Charles (Manson) will help me kick off my political carreer

Manson helped kick off Bernadine Dohrn's political career. Wild!

363 West Coast Freedom  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:00:06am

History does repeat itself it seems. Obama is heading the down the same path as the last socialist revolutionist we had as POTUS.

The late Democratic Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan summed it up when he said of Carter in 1980, "Unable to distinguish between our friends and our enemies, he has essentially adopted our enemies' view of the world."

364 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:00:07am

From Hillbuzz:

Republicans and centrist Democrats are joined together on this effort to get the truth out about Obama before the November election. We firmly believe in McCain’s victory and do not believe it hinges on any developments with RICO. The polls, in our opinon, are wrong, and the internal numbers we see coming out of NC, VA, PA, OH, IN and FL show McCain wins in all of those states (there is no mathematical possibility for Obama to win without taking PA, OH, or FL). We believe after McCain’s win there will be a continued prosecution of Obama and members of the Democratic party for voter fraud under RICO statutes in the months and years ahead. ACORN and leftist Democrats have gone too far this time — for years ACORN has engineered deliberate election fraud using taxpayer dollars funneled to it by Democrats. This time, with both Democrats and Republicans joined against them, ACORN Is going down…and we believe it will ultimately take Obama, Axelrod, and most of today’s Democratic leadership down with it.

[Link: hillbuzz.wordpress.com...]

Read it all.

366 Athos  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:00:38am

re: #346 realwest

Geez, Real - why not just set it to scan overnight once or twice a week and leave the computer on those nights? LGF time has to be uninterrupted......

367 JacksonTn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:00:41am

re: #349 dhg4

Put another way, Hillary Clinton could be counted on to do the right thing if it would benefit her politically, but Barack Obama is too committed to a left wing ideology to do the right thing.

I doubt Hillary would stand for wearing a burka ......... Obama ...... not sure what his dress of choice is ......... just saying

368 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:01:37am

re: #367 JacksonTn

I doubt Hillary would stand for wearing a burka ......... Obama ...... not sure what his dress of choice is ......... just saying

Isn't it obvious? Empty suit. ;)

369 smokefire  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:01:43am

re: #365 Kenneth

Sarah Palin will be dropping the puck for the Philadelphia Flyers home opener hockey game in Philly Saturday.

The Hockey Mom Rocks!

The Broad Street Bullies, get Sarah Barracuda to drop the puck?!

How appropriate

370 DeafDog  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:01:46am

re: #329 smokefire

like a Fort Marcy Park moment.

RIP, Vince. You served the Clinton cause to the end.

371 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:02:15am

re: #358 DeafDog

The Marc Rich path?

Maybe, but that would be kind. I don't think they do things kind-like in Chicago....I'm guessing it's suicide or accident.

Which is exactly why Rezko chose to go directly into Federal custody without passing Go.

372 loppyd  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:02:27am

Good Afternoon Lizard Nation!

So I was just listening to Rush in the car and Mr. Snerdly was doing his Official Obama Critiizer routine and when he switched to his from the brother bit it went silent like they were silencing what he said then he started back up and then it went to commercials - and not at the usual time. I know the show's schedule by heart and this was not a planned break.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

373 JeremiahRight  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:02:47am

re: #367 JacksonTn

I doubt Hillary would stand for wearing a burka ......... Obama ...... not sure what his dress of choice is ......... just saying

here you go

374 smokefire  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:03:06am

re: #370 DeafDog

RIP, Vince. You served the Clinton cause to the end.

must have been quite a job, putting that cannon in his mouth, then pulling the trigger

375 doppelganglander  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:03:35am

re: #297 FurryOldGuyJeans

But will that feeling last past the attempted evisceration of the O? Once he has been dispatched they will likely go back to voting Dem simply because they have always done that.

I am actually fine with that. First priority is to stop the O. Next, let the Dems take out the trash (Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, Frank, etc. ad infinitum). New leadership will arise in the Democratic Party, probably more centrist. It's important for the country to have two viable, grown-up parties that are not extremist and corrupt. The clash of ideas is what allows us to choose the best alternative.

376 funky chicken  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:03:42am

re: #288 jwb7605

correct. If Rezko was to sing on Obama, Fitz would have to put him in the Witness Protection Program and drop all charges post-conviction.

Is that even legal?

377 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:03:43am
378 DeafDog  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:03:47am

re: #341 Jewels (AKA Julian)

Hillary begins to look more sane as time goes on.

And that's sad


You guys keep saying that, but if we were having this race against the Clintonistas we would be going bat-shit about Hillary too. They both stink.

379 Tigger2005  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:03:47am

The real danger of the financial crisis.

It's not a general economic collapse like the Great Depression.

It's that this crisis is being manipulated by those who would persuade an American population poorly educated in economic fundamentals and history, and used to instant gratification, that capitalism is a failure (despite having created the wealthiest nation and wealthiest GLOBAL civilization in history) and that they should embrace full-blown socialism.

This crisis is being manipulated to convince Americans to willingly sell themselves into slavery to a global nanny state.

And currently, a huge percentage of Americans seem all too willing to surrender the last vestiges of their individual freedom for the sake of "economic security."

FIGHT. FIGHT. FIGHT. And keep fighting whether McCain wins or not.

The victory always goes to those with the greater will to win. Never forget ... the Soviet Union DID fall. That didn't turn out as we'd hoped, but it DID collapse. If this country goes socialist, we CAN overturn it, because socialism will fail and people will see its failure. And unlike Russia, we have a history of freedom and capitalism to return to.

380 smokefire  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:03:52am

re: #372 loppyd

getting ready for tonight loppyd.

GO RED SOX

381 realwest  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:04:45am

re: #360 Iron Fist Hey my friend - I didn't understand your #242 but would appreciate it if y'all could drop me a short e-mail cause I'm no longer sure which e-mail addy to use for you! LOL!

382 Kenneth  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:04:54am

re: #355 funky chicken

Manson had no money, he was a homeless hustler, the abused son of a prostitute.

BUT... Ayers' wife Bernadine Dohrn thought the Manson murders were really cool!

"Dig It. First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim’s stomach! Wild!" -Bernadine Dohrn

383 jorline  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:05:09am

Ex-president Carter slams Bush on market crisis

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Former President Jimmy Carter said on Friday the "atrocious economic policies" of the Bush administration had caused the worst global financial crisis since the Great Depression of the 1930s.

Pot calling the kettle black? Does Carter live in the US anymore?

384 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:05:15am
385 Wishing  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:05:20am

re: #380 smokefire

GO RED SOX

needs to be said again!~

386 Odinga  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:05:34am

I have a simple question:

Why does the Obama campaign even HAVE a Muslim outreach director?

387 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:05:50am

re: #360 Iron Fist

The riots will be very short lived, if exceptionally bloody. I don't think people in the US are just going to sit around while Abu Jihadi is torching their cars.

I agree - and people will know who they voted for and why.
But it will set race relations back 50 years. Some accomplishment for the "post-racial" candidate.

388 cblesz  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:05:50am

re: #385 Wishing

needs to be said again!~


AGREE! Go Sox!

389 loppyd  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:06:19am

re: #380 smokefire

getting ready for tonight loppyd.

GO RED SOX

You know it, baby!

I've got my lucky sweatshirt and cap laid out on the couch already.

390 Jinx  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:06:21am

If Obama was elected, this would only be the beginning of him conceding mistakes for meeting with terrorists.

Wait, strike that. There will be no mistakes by the Obamessiah. Just look at how he's trying to shut down people who expose the truth about him.

You want freedom? He's got Marxism. Turn us into the Soviet Republic of America. Expect lines for gas, food, toilet paper to arise shortly.

391 smokefire  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:06:42am

re: #387 Kosh's Shadow

THAT IS THE SAD PART

392 Typicalwhitey  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:06:52am

re: #378 DeafDog

You guys keep saying that, but if we were having this race against the Clintonistas we would be going bat-shit about Hillary too. They both stink.


The difference is this:
I could stand a Hillary presidency because she doesn't HATE this country.
I will literally be sick to my stomach and crying if Obama wins.

393 gonecamping  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:07:09am

re: #9 Sharmuta

But the link is from msnbc.

There have been rumors that the msm love affair might be over. Maybe it is.

The love affair with the MSM and the 'Messiah' Obama is by no means over, remember it was the MSM that anointed him as the Dem candidate.

IMHO, the MSM has been exposed as being completely biased and untrustworthy during this campaign and has lost all credibility. With sales and viewers dropping like a rock, some of the more astute MSM venues are going through the motion of pretending to be balanced by showing tidbits of the Obama scandals...in most cases trying to downplay the news.

Regardless, it is just inconceivable that Obama has such nefarious associations and gets a free ride from the press when any conservative/republican would have been ridden out of town on a rail.

394 soccerdad  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:07:13am

re: #192 Sharmuta

More rumors-

[Link: hillbuzz.wordpress.com...]

God bless the PUMAs!


WOW! Thanks for sharing Shar.

395 jwb7605  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:07:36am

re: #376 funky chicken

correct. If Rezko was to sing on Obama, Fitz would have to put him in the Witness Protection Program and drop all charges post-conviction.

Is that even legal
?

Yes.

396 Beach Lover  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:07:41am

re: #352 Wishing


I am tellin ya, obama is goin down...fast.


ohpleaseohpleaseohplease
I hope you are right!

397 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:07:44am

I was just listening to Glenn Beck a little as I drove around. He was going off on how both candidates are heading us right into a socialist future. The only difference is that one is taking us there in a jet plane while the other is in a steam train, but they are both headed for the same station. I can't help but wonder if after McCain's "let's buy up bad mortgages" scheme Sarah Palin is wishing that she hadn't allied herself to McCain. Don't get me wrong, i still intend to vote for him, but I am not really happy about it. I just figure that it is a lot easier to stop a steam train than it is to stop a jet plane.

398 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:08:08am

re: #380 smokefire

getting ready for tonight loppyd.

GO RED SOX

Amen to that!

399 Suzette  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:08:13am

re: #9 Sharmuta

But the link is from msnbc.

There have been rumors that the msm love affair might be over. Maybe it is.

Sharm-----I really hope that is true. They need to look into this man and splash it everywhere! He really doesn't need to be in the oval office much less even in the Senate because of his ties to terrorists and Marxist ways.
He is a danger to this country. IMHO.

400 realwest  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:08:20am

re: #279 Sharmuta
YEP! Only real question is HOW MANY PUMA voters will vote for McCain as opposed to just staying home?

401 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:08:35am

re: #385 Wishing

needs to be said again!~

OK Go Red Sox!

402 FloridaAnole  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:08:52am

re: #192 Sharmuta

More rumors-

[Link: hillbuzz.wordpress.com...]

God bless the PUMAs!

Excellent link! Thanks for bringing it to our attention. Those PUMAs are really motivated. It's obviousi that the Big O has made himself some dedicated enemies. I think if we can prevent the Acorns and other nut "community organizers" from stealing too many votes, we will have a good chance to win.

(I'm doing my bit by putting in time at the local McCain/Palin HQ making phone calls, and also I am going to be a poll watcher for McCain/Palin at the 402nd precinct on Nov 4 .)

403 Wishing  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:08:58am

The chink in the love affair between the O and the MSM is already showing.
Expect more of it, day by day
Kind of funny, the O getting thrown under the bus
I am totally enjoying the show!
AMERICA ROCKS!

404 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:09:04am

re: #381 realwest

Hey! Check your mail :-)

405 Oldasdirt  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:09:10am

This is the best thread i have read in weeks.

406 johnnyreb  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:09:29am

This stuff on Obama is actually starting to come out in the MSM. CNN actually has for them, a hit piece linked on their front page. Little by little this stuff is leaking into the medias minds, and I suspect they finally realize that the Big "O" is just too hard of a sell to America. Just a hunch, but I think they are getting ready for something that might derail the One.

Then they can say; Look we reported it and let you decide, before November. They can also say, somewhat truthfully, that they were way too busy spending time covering the meltdown of the economy.

407 smokefire  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:09:53am

re: #398 Ford_Prefect

Amen to that!

NESN for pre-game, TBS for game.
Thank God McCarver is not doing this game. Don't think I could stand it.

Let him badmouth Manny for the NLCS.

408 maddogg  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:09:54am

re: #364 Sharmuta

Thanks for that link Sharm. Very Interesting!

409 XMarine  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:10:08am

Given the Obama campaign's associations with people who have connections to known terrorist organizations who have labeled Jewish people with epithets such as, "Sons of apes and pigs" and who have vowed to wipe Israel off the map, I cannot understand the support Obama gets from the Jewish community.

Does anybody out there have any illumination on the matter?

410 WitchDoctor  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:10:17am

re: #328 ibmkeyboard

I thought from day 1 that operation chaos or whatever rush called it was a bad idea. It's not just dishonest, it's throwing away your previous right to vote.

OTOH, I still think in the darkenss of the booth (or mailbox in my fraud-friendly absentee only state) people will understand that the BHO is a BAD idea. So cheer up :)

411 Celtic Templar  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:10:29am
412 Suzette  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:10:39am

re: #382 Kenneth

Manson had no money, he was a homeless hustler, the abused son of a prostitute.

BUT... Ayers' wife Bernadine Dohrn thought the Manson murders were really cool!

And that needs to get more out there too. That Dohrn thought that was "cool".

413 rhythman  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:10:47am

this country is going to elect Obama even with all this crap in the news. G-d Help US

414 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:10:48am

re: #407 smokefire

NESN for pre-game, TBS for game.
Thank God McCarver is not doing this game. Don't think I could stand it.

Let him badmouth Manny for the NLCS.

I am still PO'd that the game wont start until sometime after 8:30. These are both east coast teams. Start the game at 7:00!

415 Athos  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:10:50am

re: #387 Kosh's Shadow

As sad as it is to say, that is, I think, one of the goals. It will lock in the entitlement / dependency to the Democrat party for decades - reversing all of the gains made in the last several decades.

This is the same party that spent 80 years pressing and maintaining Jim Crow and with few exceptions, voted against the Civil Rights Act.

They depend on the lockstep voting of 90% of this group to win elections so there is no desire to change the paradigm. So, who are the real racists?

416 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:11:01am

re: #400 realwest

YEP! Only real question is HOW MANY PUMA voters will vote for McCain as opposed to just staying home?

Staying home defeats the purpose. They can't get their girl in the White House unless 0bama losses.

PUMAs = 5-7 million voters
ACORN = 1.5 million registrations

417 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:11:04am

The only mistake was getting caught.

418 Wishing  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:11:08am

re: #411 Celtic Templar

Go Flyers, Go Palin, Go McCain!

GO RED SOX!
(had to pile on)

419 DeafDog  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:11:19am

re: #392 Typicalwhitey

The difference is this:
I could stand a Hillary presidency because she doesn't HATE this country.
I will literally be sick to my stomach and crying if Obama wins.


If Obama wins you'll need to strap up your boots and get ready for the next fight...because the next fight will be even more important.

420 Oldasdirt  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:11:34am

re: #364 Sharmuta

From Hillbuzz:

[Link: hillbuzz.wordpress.com...]

Read it all.

Has anyone ever said you would make a good secrtairy of information?

421 JacksonTn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:11:41am

re: #413 rhythman

this country is going to elect Obama even with all this crap in the news. G-d Help US

Please stop saying that ........ Why not just say we will fight to the end to prevent it from happening .......

422 smokefire  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:11:45am

re: #409 XMarine

that is a good question. Better half (Vagabond Trader) is Jewish, and she can't figure it out. Beats the Hell out of me too.

423 Irene NYC  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:11:50am

re: #409 XMarine

Given the Obama campaign's associations with people who have connections to known terrorist organizations who have labeled Jewish people with epithets such as, "Sons of apes and pigs" and who have vowed to wipe Israel off the map, I cannot understand the support Obama gets from the Jewish community.

Does anybody out there have any illumination on the matter?


Denial and guilt sprinkled with the typical Jewish liberal agenda.

424 Celtic Templar  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:11:56am

Washington Post about angry Republicans

I actually read this beaming with a bit of pride.

425 maddogg  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:12:08am

re: #377 buzzsawmonkey

You want to know my real worry?

There were a few--albeit relatively minor--connections between some Soros-funded organizations and McCain that came out a few months ago. I don't, alas, remember their names now.

Well, McCain is currently running around blathering about the government buying up all the bad mortgages signed onto by greedy losers, which does not please me.

I have the ugly suspicion that what we have in this election is the Overt Soros Candidate in Obama, and the Covert Soros Candidate in McCain.

That would require that McCain, after suffering for years and years for his country was now willing to sell it out. I think not.

426 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:12:11am

Jammie, thanks for the link above. I just threw up a little in my mouth.

427 winston06  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:12:16am

B Hussein O is a risky candidate

428 jorline  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:12:34am

Anger Is Crowd's Overarching Emotion at McCain Rally


WAUKESHA, Wis., Oct. 9 -- There were shouts of "Nobama" and "Socialist" at the mention of the Democratic presidential nominee. There were boos, middle fingers turned up and thumbs turned down as a media caravan moved through the crowd Thursday for a midday town hall gathering featuring John McCain and Sarah Palin.

"It is absolutely vital that you take it to Obama, that you hit him where it hits, there's a soft spot," said James T. Harris, a local radio talk show host, who urged the Republican nominee to use Barack Obama's controversial former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., and others against him.

"We have the good Reverend Wright. We have [the Rev. Michael L.] Pfleger. We have all of these shady characters that have surrounded him," Harris bellowed. "We have corruption here in Wisconsin and voting across the nation. I am begging you, sir. I am begging you. Take it to him."

The crowd of thousands roared its approval.

Would you expect anything less from WaPo? Bad McCain crowds...bad!

429 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:12:37am

re: #397 Ford_Prefect

I was just listening to Glenn Beck a little as I drove around. He was going off on how both candidates are heading us right into a socialist future. The only difference is that one is taking us there in a jet plane while the other is in a steam train, but they are both headed for the same station. I can't help but wonder if after McCain's "let's buy up bad mortgages" scheme Sarah Palin is wishing that she hadn't allied herself to McCain. Don't get me wrong, i still intend to vote for him, but I am not really happy about it. I just figure that it is a lot easier to stop a steam train than it is to stop a jet plane.

I had said repeatedly something quite similar (Socialism vs. Socialism Lite) during the primary season and I got soundly pooh-poohed for such negativity. So far I have heard and seen nothing that has changed my opinion, and McCain bloviating about bailing out bad mortgages just reinforced my opinion that both will punish those people who always do the right thing by working hard and paying their debts on time without demanding a government to "rescue" them.

430 winston06  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:12:40am

McCain/Palin 2008

431 Celtic Templar  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:12:41am

re: #418 Wishing

GO RED SOX!
(had to pile on)

Go Phillies! Right back at you ;)

432 DeafDog  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:12:41am

re: #406 johnnyreb


I hope it's not too little, too late.

433 Suzette  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:12:41am

re: #400 realwest

YEP! Only real question is HOW MANY PUMA voters will vote for McCain as opposed to just staying home?

Real {hope you are doing well}! They will vote! Because they are very aware of Obama's back-fisted ways!

434 pat  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:13:04am

Franken up by 6 in Minnesota. Now that is insanity.

435 loppyd  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:13:06am
436 cblesz  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:13:31am

re: #407 smokefire

NESN for pre-game, TBS for game.
Thank God McCarver is not doing this game. Don't think I could stand it.

Let him badmouth Manny for the NLCS.


Hopefully CHIP CAREY is not doing it. That guy freaking sucks. Curious. This blog is a conservative blog. Are all, the Sox fans here from the Republic of Massachusetts? When I left there 18 years ago there certainly were not any conservatives there and judging by the way the state votes, there still are not any...

437 Ben Hur  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:13:40am

She'll be boo-d.

And remember when Soccer Moms were all the rage because they were thought to be Dems.

Then it was "Nascar Dads."

Hockey Moms aren't getting any MSM PR because, well, you know.

438 smokefire  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:13:45am

re: #414 Ford_Prefect

I am still PO'd that the game wont start until sometime after 8:30. These are both east coast teams. Start the game at 7:00!

FORD, it is all about the ratings game.

Just think what will happen in the World Series. Starting time 8:30, first pitch 9:05. What ever happened to the afternoon World Series games I remember as a boy?

Damn I am old

439 odinga  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:13:54am

This is a 1998 interview with Connie Chung. Barack Obama was working with Bill Ayers at the time.

Terrorists Ayers & Dohrn Admit They Wish They Would Have Done More... Obama Says He Didn't Know (Video)
Video.

440 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:14:01am

re: #422 smokefire

that is a good question. Better half (Vagabond Trader) is Jewish, and she can't figure it out. Beats the Hell out of me too.

My better half is also Jewish, and like so many others she is Democrat. However, I don't believe she will vote for Obama. I don't can't tell her who to vote for, but she certainly gets enough info about him to make her not want him in the Oval Office.

441 pat  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:14:03am

re: #411 Celtic Templar

Go Flyers, Go Palin, Go McCain!

Wonder if she will try for a goal?

442 JeremiahRight  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:14:11am

re: #424 Celtic Templar

I saw that clip on the news last night. The best part was when that guy got up on the mic and yelled: "It's time that you two represent the rest of us. So go get 'em."

443 RickZ  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:14:45am

re: #418 Wishing

GO RED SOX!
(had to pile on)

Go Mets! Oh wait, they tanked two years in a row.

But Bill Buckner is still my favorite Red Sox player.

444 loppyd  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:14:45am

re: #437 Ben Hur

She'll be boo-d.

And remember when Soccer Moms were all the rage because they were thought to be Dems.

Then it was "Nascar Dads."

Hockey Moms aren't getting any MSM PR because, well, you know.

I'll bet you a case of your favorite beer she gets more cheers than boos.

445 doppelganglander  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:14:54am

re: #372 loppyd

Good Afternoon Lizard Nation!

So I was just listening to Rush in the car and Mr. Snerdly was doing his Official Obama Critiizer routine and when he switched to his from the brother bit it went silent like they were silencing what he said then he started back up and then it went to commercials - and not at the usual time. I know the show's schedule by heart and this was not a planned break.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

That's very interesting. I listen online to WABC in New York and heard the whole thing. It was hysterical, too. I guess a black person really can be racist, in the eyes of your radio station.

446 Perplexed  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:14:58am

NOI leader Louis Farrakkan (sic) believes that Obama is the messiah because he's the product of a black father and a white mother.

Obama is in bed with ACORN. ACORN is tied to massive voter fraud.

I didn't volunteer to live in interesting times. The (not so)veiled threats of riots if Obamessiah doesn't get elected makes me shake my head in wonder. Obama comes as a divider, not a uniter and if the riots do happen I wonder how much involvement his followers will have in inciting those riots.

I remember the riots of the 60's and know that many of the neighborhoods that rioted never fully recovered from those riots.

447 Typicalwhitey  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:14:59am

re: #419 DeafDog

If Obama wins you'll need to strap up your boots and get ready for the next fight...because the next fight will be even more important.


What will be the next fight?

448 Suzette  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:15:02am

re: #403 Wishing

The chink in the love affair between the O and the MSM is already showing.
Expect more of it, day by day
Kind of funny, the O getting thrown under the bus
I am totally enjoying the show!
AMERICA ROCKS!

Oh I hope that chink completely BREAKS! And they go for the throat on reporting.
/Well a person can hope and wish! :)

449 FloridaAnole  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:15:09am

re: #383 jorline

Ex-president Carter slams Bush on market crisis


Pot calling the kettle black? Does Carter live in the US anymore?

Aaah, shaddap, Jimmeh!

450 loppyd  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:15:17am

re: #443 RickZ

Go Mets! Oh wait, they tanked two years in a row.

But Bill Buckner is still my favorite Red Sox player.

That's Bill F*cking Buckner to you, sir.

451 Wishing  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:15:33am

re: #433 Suzette

Real {hope you are doing well}! They will vote! Because they are very aware of Obama's back-fisted ways!

On one of the PUMA sites i read, not-voting was discouraged as a non-vote was a vote for Obama
Here is a link, RW PUMAs for McCain

452 realwest  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:15:38am

re: #404 Iron Fist
Did and replied - hope you have a while! LOL!

453 RickZ  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:16:01am

re: #444 loppyd

I'll bet you a case of your favorite beer she gets more cheers than boos.

After all, Palin's not Santa Claus.

454 smokefire  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:16:04am

re: #436 cblesz

Hopefully CHIP CAREY is not doing it. That guy freaking sucks. Curious. This blog is a conservative blog. Are all, the Sox fans here from the Republic of Massachusetts? When I left there 18 years ago there certainly were not any conservatives there and judging by the way the state votes, there still are not any...

Red Sox Nation

One Nation under Sox.

455 phoenixgirl  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:16:06am

re: #382 Kenneth

Manson had no money, he was a homeless hustler, the abused son of a prostitute.

BUT... Ayers' wife Bernadine Dohrn thought the Manson murders were really cool!

and yet hollywood embraces ayers/dohrn's candidate

456 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:16:10am

Hurrah! McCain/ Palin are back in MI! In two weeks, their campaign says they're spending the better part of 3 days here. Including a day in the U.P., which, while not seeming to be the best move demographically (there's about 1,000 people up there total), they will rock. Palin was made for the U.P.

457 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:16:21am

re: #418 Wishing

GO RED SOX!
(had to pile on)

I'd say "Go Mariners", but then I have never been an athletic supporter nor one to not see the utter imbecility of Seattle. ;)

458 Athos  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:16:22am

re: #438 smokefire

FORD, it is all about the ratings game.

Just think what will happen in the World Series. Starting time 8:30, first pitch 9:05. What ever happened to the afternoon World Series games I remember as a boy?

Damn I am old

TV Ratings. I remember getting permission in 1969 from our teachers to bring in a portable b/w tv to class so we could see the Met's / Orioles series games.......

459 yma o hyd  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:16:25am

re: #377 buzzsawmonkey

You want to know my real worry?

There were a few--albeit relatively minor--connections between some Soros-funded organizations and McCain that came out a few months ago. I don't, alas, remember their names now.

Well, McCain is currently running around blathering about the government buying up all the bad mortgages signed onto by greedy losers, which does not please me.

I have the ugly suspicion that what we have in this election is the Overt Soros Candidate in Obama, and the Covert Soros Candidate in McCain.

If these are, as you say, minor connections, then its not so worrysome.
It would rather seem as if $oros has bought himself some insurance, should the worst come to the worst and his sock puppet not make it.

460 funky chicken  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:16:26am

re: #324 Kosh's Shadow

Well, the High Holidays ended yesterday; Sukkot is coming up next week. I hope he didn't mean after Simchat Torah.

Perhaps he was speaking of Passover? :-)

461 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:16:40am

re: #429 FurryOldGuyJeans

I had said repeatedly something quite similar (Socialism vs. Socialism Lite) during the primary season and I got soundly pooh-poohed for such negativity. So far I have heard and seen nothing that has changed my opinion, and McCain bloviating about bailing out bad mortgages just reinforced my opinion that both will punish those people who always do the right thing by working hard and paying their debts on time without demanding a government to "rescue" them.

I agree. I said long ago that I was voting more against Obama than for McCain. Palin certainly makes me feel a little better about it, but not much. I wanted Fred Thompson.

462 Kenneth  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:16:45am

It's official,


"You are the instruments that God is going to use to bring about universal change, and that is why Barack has captured the youth. And he has involved young people in a political process that they didn't care anything about. That's a sign. When the Messiah speaks, the youth will hear, and the Messiah is absolutely speaking." - Louis Farrakhan,
463 loppyd  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:16:48am

re: #445 doppelganglander

That's very interesting. I listen online to WABC in New York and heard the whole thing. It was hysterical, too. I guess a black person really can be racist, in the eyes of your radio station.

It's a Boston station. But Howie Carr's intro for the 3:00 show includes Jeremiah Wright saying "Goddamn America" in full where most other stations beep the "damn" part out.

464 JeremiahRight  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:16:57am

re: #447 Typicalwhitey

What will be the next fight?

the next presidential campaign season will stretch to four years long, starting immediately after this one. gotta have something to talk about 24/7 on cable news

465 turn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:16:59am

re: #434 pat

Franken up by 6 in Minnesota. Now that is insanity.

That has to be from a Kos poll, right? Insanity indeed.

466 johnnyreb  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:17:11am

re: #435 loppyd


Like I said, the MSM is finally realizing that the "O" has become toxic, and they are trying to cut their losses.

467 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:17:30am

re: #409 XMarine

Given the Obama campaign's associations with people who have connections to known terrorist organizations who have labeled Jewish people with epithets such as, "Sons of apes and pigs" and who have vowed to wipe Israel off the map, I cannot understand the support Obama gets from the Jewish community.

Does anybody out there have any illumination on the matter?

There leftism blinds them to 0bama's anti-Semitic associates. Their leftism comes before their Judaism. And this all lets them accept his platitudes as the way he really believes.

When I hear the 0 say good things about Israel, they just don't sound genuine; they sound like he's pandering.

468 RickZ  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:17:34am

re: #450 loppyd

That's Bill F*cking Buckner to you, sir.

I was at Game 6. As a Met fan, Bill Buckner has my utmost respect, as do his knees.

469 loppyd  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:17:56am

re: #457 FurryOldGuyJeans

I'd say "Go Mariners", but then I have never been an athletic supporter nor one to not see the utter imbecility of Seattle. ;)

Good thing for you that you haven't been an athletic supporter. That would be pretty disgusting. LOL

470 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:18:03am
471 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:18:08am

re: #436 cblesz

Hopefully CHIP CAREY is not doing it. That guy freaking sucks. Curious. This blog is a conservative blog. Are all, the Sox fans here from the Republic of Massachusetts? When I left there 18 years ago there certainly were not any conservatives there and judging by the way the state votes, there still are not any...

CT here. Not much more conservative here, but plenty of Sox fans: at least the smart ones.

472 smokefire  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:18:33am

re: #458 Athos

1967 World Series. Biology Class.

473 loppyd  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:18:42am

re: #468 RickZ

I was at Game 6. As a Met fan, Bill Buckner has my utmost respect, as do his knees.

I still have PTSD from that and from game 7 of the ALCS in 2003.

474 Celtic Templar  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:18:56am

re: #444 loppyd

I'll bet you a case of your favorite beer she gets more cheers than boos.

I'm with loppyd on this sentiment - she'll get cheers. My internal polling shows South Philly Irish and Italians prefer McCain. Those who can afford tix to Flyers nowadays are corporate types and people who have more sense about their money.

I think its a win for Palin. Hopefully for the bullies too.

475 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:19:13am

re: #438 smokefire

FORD, it is all about the ratings game.

Just think what will happen in the World Series. Starting time 8:30, first pitch 9:05. What ever happened to the afternoon World Series games I remember as a boy?

Damn I am old

Imagine what the ratings will look like if it ends up being Tampa and Philly.

476 Athos  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:19:16am

re: #450 loppyd

That's Bill F*cking Buckner to you, sir.

Isn't it curious that he has the same middle name as Bucky Dent?

;-)

477 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:19:18am

re: #421 JacksonTn

Please stop saying that ........ Why not just say we will fight to the end to prevent it from happening .......


Yep...A always think of this speech:

Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never, never--in nothing, great or small, large or petty--never give in, except to convictions of honor and good sense. Never yield to force. Never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy

Churchill

478 jwb7605  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:19:30am

re: #465 turn

That has to be from a Kos poll, right? Insanity indeed.

ACORN type fraud may not have all that much impact at the 'presidential' level voting.
This level (state, then House, then Senate) is where the initial impact is felt.

Progressive, grassroots.

479 loppyd  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:19:52am

re: #471 Ford_Prefect

CT here. Not much more conservative here, but plenty of Sox fans: at least the smart ones.

And now you have gay marriage too!

Breaking News Alert
The New York Times
Friday, October 10, 2008 -- 12:17 PM ET
-----

Connecticut Ruling Overturns Ban on Same-Sex Marriage

Connecticut's Supreme Court ruled Friday that same-sex
couples have the right to marry, making the state the third
to legalize such unions.

480 realwest  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:20:05am

re: #387 Kosh's Shadow
"it will set race relations back 50 years."
At least.
What a damn shame. Why the hell couldn't the Dem's have given us at least a respectable choice for POTUS?
I mean Obama's so bad he makes Hillary look good and if she had run, no riots, no setting back of race relations AT ALL.
And needless to say, Woman's Rights (ya know, the rights that affect over 50% of Americans) would have been advanced.

481 loppyd  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:20:08am

re: #476 Athos

Isn't it curious that he has the same middle name as Bucky Dent?

;-)

And Aaron Boone.

482 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:20:09am

re: #461 Ford_Prefect

I agree. I said long ago that I was voting more against Obama than for McCain. Palin certainly makes me feel a little better about it, but not much. I wanted Fred Thompson.

I will never vote against a candidate, but neither am I a whole-hearted enthusiastic supporter of McCain, albeit I will vote for the candidate who will be most likely to do what I consider better for the country. For me McCain nearly literally is the lesser of two evils in this election cycle for POTUS.

483 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:20:40am

re: #450 loppyd

That's Bill F*cking Buckner to you, sir.

Never did and never will blame him for '86.

484 Ben Hur  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:21:00am

re: #444 loppyd

I'll bet you a case of your favorite beer she gets more cheers than boos.


OK.

Thank G-d you like Schlitz.

485 J.S.  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:21:37am

re: #379 Tigger2005

Glenn Beck had Jonah G. on his program, and Jonah stated that the "new" New Deal has been a much talked about goal for quite some time now -- and with this financial crisis at hand, the "progressives" believe that finally the time has come for the implementation and selling of the "new" New Deal (ie, socialization of the United States -- which translates into a privatization of the profits -- individuals will gain immense profits -- but the risk will become spread out for the taxpayers to assume, thus the failures will be publicly borne -- aka, this is corporatism...or the "new" Socialism/Communism.).

486 turn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:21:45am

re: #435 loppyd

This is a flying pig moment from CNN on the same topic


Flying pigs indeed, first the NYT runs a piece about the success in the Iraq war today and now CNN does an expose on Obama and Acorn. Let the shit come out MSM, try and repent for your sins.

487 realwest  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:21:50am

re: #476 Athos
ROFL! Hey, how are you doing today my friend?

488 loppyd  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:21:51am

re: #466 johnnyreb

Like I said, the MSM is finally realizing that the "O" has become toxic, and they are trying to cut their losses.

In the event that he loses they want to look like they did some actual reporting on The One's allegiances.

489 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:21:53am

re: #456 Spenser (with an S)

Hurrah! McCain/ Palin are back in MI! In two weeks, their campaign says they're spending the better part of 3 days here. Including a day in the U.P., which, while not seeming to be the best move demographically (there's about 1,000 people up there total), they will rock. Palin was made for the U.P.

Hey, at least the UP can offset any fake voters ACORN can come up with in Detroit and Ann Arbor. I have a feeling the entire peninsula up there will be colored Republican red this November.

490 Ben Hur  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:21:57am

re: #481 loppyd

And I'll need scientific proof.

491 funky chicken  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:22:04am

re: #400 realwest

YEP! Only real question is HOW MANY PUMA voters will vote for McCain as opposed to just staying home?

Well, they are a hell of a lot more helpful than "conservative leaders" like Glenn Beck and Michelle Malkin who are trying to tell people McCain is basically no better than Obama.

The PUMAs are out on bus tours of battleground states, working under names like "Real Democrats For McCain."

492 yma o hyd  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:22:08am

re: #413 rhythman

this country is going to elect Obama even with all this crap in the news. G-d Help US

Why should God help you if you curl up an whine before its over, instead of taking the righteous fight to the enemy, until the final whistle?

493 Athos  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:22:20am

re: #479 loppyd

And now you have gay marriage too!

Breaking News Alert
The New York Times
Friday, October 10, 2008 -- 12:17 PM ET
-----

Connecticut Ruling Overturns Ban on Same-Sex Marriage

Connecticut's Supreme Court ruled Friday that same-sex
couples have the right to marry, making the state the third
to legalize such unions.


Legislation from the Bench.....I wonder where they created or found that 'right' in the Constitution.

494 DeafDog  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:22:53am

re: #447 Typicalwhitey

What will be the next fight?

There will be several to choose from:

1. Keeping the heat on Obama to govern as a moderate.
2. The 2010 elections
3. The health care industry govt. takeover
4. Fighting the redistribution laws rewrite of the tax laws
5. The surrender in the GWOT
6. Finding a suitable country to migrate too.

495 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:23:00am

re: #434 pat

Franken up by 6 in Minnesota. Now that is insanity.

That's because
He's good enough
He's smart enough
And dogonnit, people like him.
/do I need to?

496 cblesz  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:23:29am

re: #488 loppyd

In the event that he loses they want to look like they did some actual reporting on The One's allegiances.

I think we are jumping the gun on the MSM. They certainly have not changed their allegiance. Do not be fooled. Even if they are trying to seem more objective...there are only 25 days left...

497 realwest  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:23:31am

re: #479 loppyd
Hey {loppyd} - how are ya doing good looking?!
Uh, what are the other two states?

498 loppyd  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:24:15am

re: #484 Ben Hur

OK.

Thank G-d you like Schlitz.

LOL

Miller Lite or Corona will do.

We can have the impartial lizards be the judges.

499 Suzette  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:24:15am

re: #451 Wishing

Voting is their weapon....and am glad to see that they are going to vote to keep Obama out. :)

500 Beach Lover  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:24:17am

re: #439 odinga
and this while the One was working with them! Why would anyone think that these 2 actually would change their radical beliefs anyway? If you've read anything about The One in his earlier days...these are the only kind of people he would associate with.
*spit*
please let the blinded American public wake up in time!

501 BIGDUKE 6  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:24:36am

Sadly, it looks more & more like Nobama is going to be POTUS. But I tell you this I would rather live through a full-blown 1929 style depression with John McCain as Prez complete with me selling apples & pencils on the street corner before that uber-phony, do-nothing, know-it-all, and FRIGHTENING Barrack Obama becomes Prez.

502 johnnyreb  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:24:41am

re: #479 loppyd

And now you have gay marriage too!

Breaking News Alert
The New York Times
Friday, October 10, 2008 -- 12:17 PM ET
-----

Connecticut Ruling Overturns Ban on Same-Sex Marriage

Connecticut's Supreme Court ruled Friday that same-sex
couples have the right to marry, making the state the third
to legalize such unions.

Oh great.... If I didn't have a very good job here, I would move to Kentucky in a heartbeat.

Might as well go to the casino tonight and drown my sorrows with a few beers and penny slots, after all I won $90 on a scratch off ticket today at the gas station.

503 Athos  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:25:03am

re: #487 realwest

Good Real....except celebrating my 49th today which is reminding me next year is going to be real tough.....

How are you doing / feeling?

504 smokefire  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:25:06am

OK all, I now have to get off this. The Better half has arrived home from shopping, and is making me feel like I have to get off, even though she is being solicitous. Time for me to vanish, and let Vagabond Trader take over.

Go Sox.

Be Safe all

505 yesandno  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:25:10am

re: #129 DisturbedEma

He was only 8. . .OMG!

Yea....and Aisha was only 6 when she married Mohammed...and even she understood eventually that she would get screwed.........

506 Russkilitlover  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:25:22am

re: #456 Spenser (with an S)

Palin was made for the U.P.

U.P.? Uber-President?

507 pat  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:25:29am

Obama up by 14 in battlrground States. Route. Hmmmm

508 loppyd  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:25:47am

re: #497 {realwest}

Hey {loppyd} - how are ya doing good looking?!
Uh, what are the other two states?

Hi Handsome! Doing well - nutso busy here getting ready for a long weekend.

MA & CA also have gay marriage.

509 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:25:52am

re: #504 smokefire

OK all, I now have to get off this. The Better half has arrived home from shopping, and is making me feel like I have to get off, even though she is being solicitous. Time for me to vanish, and let Vagabond Trader take over.

Go Sox.

Be Safe all

Later Smoke.

510 johnnyreb  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:26:01am

re: #505 yesandno

Yea....and Aisha was only 6 when she married Mohammed...and even she understood eventually that she would get screwed.........


Ouch!

511 Celtic Templar  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:26:13am

re: #501 BIGDUKE 6

Sadly, it looks more & more like Nobama is going to be POTUS. But I tell you this I would rather live through a full-blown 1929 style depression with John McCain as Prez complete with me selling apples & pencils on the street corner before that uber-phony, do-nothing, know-it-all, and FRIGHTENING Barrack Obama becomes Prez.

By whose standards? Skewed polls? Skewed MSM? Stop with this crap. Tell us you told us so on 11/5, but for now - act like a citizen and vote enthusiastically and drag your friends and neighbors to vote. Dig em up out of the graveyard ACORN style.

512 Athos  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:26:20am

re: #497 realwest

Hey {loppyd} - how are ya doing good looking?!
Uh, what are the other two states?

Mass and California.......although voters might kill it in California if Prop 8 passes and the Constition is amended to define marriage as between one man and one woman.

513 loppyd  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:26:29am

re: #504 smokefire

Later!

GO SOX!

514 loppyd  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:27:12am

re: #503 Athos

Good Real....except celebrating my 49th today which is reminding me next year is going to be real tough.....

How are you doing / feeling?

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU!

515 Alouette  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:27:31am

re: #424 Celtic Templar

Washington Post about angry Republicans

I actually read this beaming with a bit of pride.

"It might have something to do with you guys," he told a reporter.

"It's not anger at all. It's frustration. There's millions of people around the country that think like we do. You guys refuse to acknowledge that, and you insult our intelligence by misreporting the information. You are treating [Obama] like he's Britney Spears and covering him like he's Paris Hilton, instead of the next president of the United States, potentially."

Heh.

516 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:28:05am

re: #506 Russkilitlover

U.P.? Uber-President?

Michigan's Upper Peninsula aka State of Superior.

517 loppyd  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:28:06am

re: #496 cblesz

I think we are jumping the gun on the MSM. They certainly have not changed their allegiance. Do not be fooled. Even if they are trying to seem more objective...there are only 25 days left...

I don't think they have changed anything except wanting a few CYA pieces out there.

518 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:28:10am

re: #502 johnnyreb


Might as well go to the casino tonight and drown my sorrows with a few beers and penny slots, after all I won $90 on a scratch off ticket today at the gas station.

Buying new shoes for the Indians?

519 turn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:28:18am

re: #478 jwb7605

ACORN type fraud may not have all that much impact at the 'presidential' level voting.
This level (state, then House, then Senate) is where the initial impact is felt.

Progressive, grassroots.


If this thing comes down to the wire like in 2000 any amount of fraud is going to have a real effect. That story last night about the Ohio AG blocking the local election districts from using the database that checks for fraud really makes me believe the dems really hope to gain by it in the generals too, especially in the swing states like OH.

520 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:28:19am

re: #502 johnnyreb

Connecticut's Supreme Court ruled Friday that same-sex
couples have the right to marry

And this affects your life how ?

521 Spellcheck  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:28:34am

re: #491 funky chicken

The PUMAs are out on bus tours of battleground states, working under names like "Real Democrats For McCain."

They are! And, I've read post after post on their forums from PUMAs who intend to vote a straight R ticket in November. They're furious, not just with Obama, but with the Dem party for allowing/condoning a stolen nomination.

522 johnnyreb  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:29:12am

re: #518 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Buying new shoes for the Indians?

I should just write them a check for the 90 bucks and mail it. Save me the gas and parking troubles.

523 Wishing  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:29:35am

re: #499 Suzette

Voting is their weapon....and am glad to see that they are going to vote to keep Obama out. :)

The good thing is that the PUMAs will balance out all the dead guys voting

524 Suzette  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:29:42am

re: #462 Kenneth

It's official,

Not my young people. MY sons and their friends are not voting Obama.
They have done the research and find him 'wanting'.

Plus finally got my McCain signs and stickers yesterday!
My youngest son was in high heaven! (He's 22)

525 gonecamping  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:29:46am

re: #486 turn

Flying pigs indeed, first the NYT runs a piece about the success in the Iraq war today and now CNN does an expose on Obama and Acorn. Let the shit come out MSM, try and repent for your sins.

Hmmm, could this be Clinton Inc. working behind the scenes? Do they still have any influence? I know Clinton was dissed by the MSM in the primaries, but perhaps now that all this 'stuff' about Obama is coming out (since the MSM did not perform due diligence before annointing him), Bill can convince the MSM they need to 'get on board'.

526 Athos  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:30:09am

Generic question on Obama and his relationships with Ayers and others - if he wasn't an elected official, and was applying for a Fed. Government position that requires a TS or higher security clearance -does anyone not consider that these connections would raise numerous red flags regarding that clearance?

527 Athos  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:30:31am

re: #514 loppyd

Thanks

528 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:30:45am

re: #506 Russkilitlover

re: #456 Spenser (with an S)

Palin was made for the U.P.

U.P.? Uber-President?

That too, but I meant the Upper Peninsula of our state. I forget we have many here who wouldn't know what the heck that meant.

529 Alouette  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:31:00am

re: #520 sattv4u2

Connecticut's Supreme Court ruled Friday that same-sex
couples have the right to marry

And this affects your life how ?

It abolishes marriage as we know it in Western civilization. Are you ready for legalized polygamy?

530 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:31:00am

re: #507 pat

Obama up by 14 in battlrground States. Route. Hmmmm

Not buying it.

531 BIGDUKE 6  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:31:01am

re: #511 Celtic Templar

OK man , I dont want to tell you so on 11/5
Also don't get me wrong. Im not laying down and I still bring smack to all me leftie loon pals. But Im just saying its a possibility that increases every day the DOW has triple digit losses.

532 JacksonTn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:31:11am

re: #521 Spellcheck

They are! And, I've read post after post on their forums from PUMAs who intend to vote a straight R ticket in November. They're furious, not just with Obama, but with the Dem party for allowing/condoning a stolen nomination.

PUMA's :

Enemy No. 1 - Obama
Enemy No. 2 - Pelosi
Enemy No. 3 - Dean
Enemy No. 4 - Brazile

They pissed at Pelosi big time .........

533 loppyd  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:31:14am

re: #493 Athos

Legislation from the Bench.....I wonder where they created or found that 'right' in the Constitution.

All they had to do was look at the MA opinion. I would bet they used it in theirs. The chief justice of the MA SJC called marriage "an evolving paradigm" in her opinion.

I watched my brother argue in front of the SJC and she is everything you would imagine her to be and more. Talk about self importance.

534 funky chicken  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:31:32am

re: #488 loppyd

In the event that he loses they want to look like they did some actual reporting on The One's allegiances.

Hedging their bets. The fact that suddenly they believe that they have to, even while reporting all the BS manipulated polling data kinda perks me up.

535 Russkilitlover  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:31:41am

re: #528 Spenser (with an S)

That too, but I meant the Upper Peninsula of our state. I forget we have many here who wouldn't know what the heck that meant.

Ah. Gotcha.

536 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:31:55am

re: #503 Athos

Happy Birthday, Athos!

537 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:32:01am

re: #520 sattv4u2

Connecticut's Supreme Court ruled Friday that same-sex
couples have the right to marry

And this affects your life how ?

That is basically my feeling.

538 Perplexed  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:32:04am

re: #526 Athos

Generic question on Obama and his relationships with Ayers and others - if he wasn't an elected official, and was applying for a Fed. Government position that requires a TS or higher security clearance -does anyone not consider that these connections would raise numerous red flags regarding that clearance?

I seriously doubt Obama would be able to pass a DISCO clearance for Secret clearance.

539 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:32:10am
540 johnnyreb  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:32:11am

re: #520 sattv4u2

Connecticut's Supreme Court ruled Friday that same-sex
couples have the right to marry

And this affects your life how ?


Expensive lawsuit after lawsuit to get a vote on the ballot in the next year or two to amend the State Constitution to overrule it. One group estimated about 10-12 million for that fight. And yes it will go to a vote. And that vote will cost my state big bucks that we don't have.

Thats how.

541 yesandno  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:32:22am

re: #526 Athos

Generic question on Obama and his relationships with Ayers and others - if he wasn't an elected official, and was applying for a Fed. Government position that requires a TS or higher security clearance -does anyone not consider that these connections would raise numerous red flags regarding that clearance?

It raises a huge RED flag with me..........

but yes...surely that is problamatic....but then again, some loud mouth Senators get clearance.

542 loppyd  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:32:32am

re: #483 Ford_Prefect

Never did and never will blame him for '86.

Bob Stanley is the real goat IMHO.

543 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:33:09am

re: #491 funky chicken

I'm getting a little tired of the gloom and doom at Hot Air lately, myself. Not so much at Ed, because he at least keeps an up-beat attitude. But AP is souring me on even reading the site.

When I need a little "pick-me-up", I read the PUMA sites. At least, when bad poll numbers come out, they have a "LET'S GET OUT AND FIGHT HARDER" attitude.

I wish some conservatives (cough*Michelle*cough) would get that as well.

544 Suzette  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:33:12am

re: #466 johnnyreb

Like I said, the MSM is finally realizing that the "O" has become toxic, and they are trying to cut their losses.

I really hope so. Plus it couldn't come at a better time! :)
/it will not be forgotten

545 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:33:15am
546 realwest  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:33:21am

re: #491 funky chicken
Yes. For a while now, both Glenn Beck and Michelle Malkin have been dropping like stones in my respect well. I understand their motivations, but truly DO suspect their intelligence - in a sense, MM, at least, is becoming another version of O'Reilly - a tad too full of herself and a tad too "blind" to some things, ya know?
Especially blind to the incredible damage to America that an Obama Presidency would do, as opposed to what McCain could or would do.

547 Kenneth  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:33:24am

If want to see a really bad interview of a politician, check out this:

Canadian Liberal leader Stephane Dion just doesn't get the question...

548 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:33:39am

re: #521 Spellcheck

They are! And, I've read post after post on their forums from PUMAs who intend to vote a straight R ticket in November. They're furious, not just with Obama, but with the Dem party for allowing/condoning a stolen nomination.

Yes- they're pissed beyond pissed and there are millions of them.

549 maddogg  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:33:43am

re: #521 Spellcheck

They are! And, I've read post after post on their forums from PUMAs who intend to vote a straight R ticket in November. They're furious, not just with Obama, but with the Dem party for allowing/condoning a stolen nomination.

The PUMAS are making me rethink my conclusion that the Democratic Party no longer contains any Americans. I commend them.

550 pat  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:33:52am

24% of independents still undecided. Large number.

551 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:33:54am

re: #538 Perplexed

I seriously doubt Obama would be able to pass a DISCO clearance for Secret clearance.

He shouldn't even have clearance for the men's room key in the Hart Senate Office Building.

552 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:33:59am

re: #529 Alouette

It abolishes marriage as we know it in Western civilization. Are you ready for legalized polygamy?

how does the union of Adam and Steve translate into polygamy any more than the union of Adam and Eve?
Are there many old style Mormon gays you know of ?

553 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:34:16am

re: #522 johnnyreb

I should just write them a check for the 90 bucks and mail it. Save me the gas and parking troubles.

I haven't been to either casino in years. Last time I went I got $20 in quarters and sat down at a slot machine. Half way through the first roll I hit for about $250. I took my money and ran. i figure if I go back they are gonna want their money and I won't be able to stop them from taking it with interest.

554 Athos  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:34:20am

re: #536 Sharmuta

Thanks

555 Wishing  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:34:33am

re: #532 JacksonTn

PUMA's :

Enemy No. 1 - Obama
Enemy No. 2 - Pelosi
Enemy No. 3 - Dean
Enemy No. 4 - Brazile

They pissed at Pelosi big time .........

Hillary is running for Majority leader...Cat fight, anyone?

556 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:34:36am
557 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:34:45am

re: #550 pat

Pat, read the PUMA post I put in the spinoffs- all of it.

558 Suzette  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:34:49am

re: #523 Wishing

The good thing is that the PUMAs will balance out all the dead guys voting

Damn straight and hopefully they are also turning people who would have voted for Obama to rethink and vote McCain.

559 loppyd  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:34:50am

re: #524 Suzette

Not my young people. MY sons and their friends are not voting Obama.
They have done the research and find him 'wanting'.

Plus finally got my McCain signs and stickers yesterday!
My youngest son was in high heaven! (He's 22)

I got my sticker Monday. It's firmly affixed on the rear windshield. I love looking back and seeing it! But I love seeing the looks for horror on the moonbat faces in moonbatville where I work.

BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

560 yma o hyd  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:35:05am

re: #470 ploome hineni

I would not be surprised if Bill wasn't feeding them info

That would not surprise me, either!

561 pat  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:35:30am

The interesting thing about the PUMAs is that they were convinced Hillary was a centrist and Obama a leftwing thug.

562 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:35:40am
563 realwest  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:35:56am

re: #434 pat
"Franken up by 6 in Minnesota. Now that is insanity."

Nope, that's Minnesota. Seriously. What state does the only muslim congressman hail from? When was he first elected to office - before or after 9/11 ?

564 turn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:36:03am

re: #525 gonecamping

Hmmm, could this be Clinton Inc. working behind the scenes? Do they still have any influence? I know Clinton was dissed by the MSM in the primaries, but perhaps now that all this 'stuff' about Obama is coming out (since the MSM did not perform due diligence before annointing him), Bill can convince the MSM they need to 'get on board'.

That's as good a conspiracy theory as any, after all she lost to him one time why risk another loss if you have the opportunity to do something about it. Plus, she is so vengeful - I can just see it in her eyes even when she was "praising" the O.

565 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:36:08am

re: #540 johnnyreb

Expensive lawsuit after lawsuit to get a vote on the ballot in the next year or two to amend the State Constitution to overrule it. One group estimated about 10-12 million for that fight. And yes it will go to a vote. And that vote will cost my state big bucks that we don't have.

Thats how.

Okay, for the sake of argument, lets say I cover your portion of that 10-12 million,,
So my original question now stands (without the financial hardship answer0. How does it affect YOU and YOUR marriage?

566 Irene NYC  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:36:12am

re: #520 sattv4u2

Connecticut's Supreme Court ruled Friday that same-sex
couples have the right to marry

And this affects your life how ?


Anyone who opposes legislation by the bench should be concerned. Doesn't matter what the issue is.

All that busing of children to schools worked out really well, didn't it?

//

567 Suzette  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:36:18am

re: #527 Athos

Thanks

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

568 rw in san diego  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:36:30am

OT
I have to log out soon, but I'll check back later....anybody know anything about Jerome Korsi?

Coming home from services I heard a snip of Korsi being interviewed about his experience in Kenya. Is he credible?

569 Kenneth  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:36:39am

re: #559 loppyd

If McCain wins on NOv 4th, you can look forward to having your car vandalized on Nov. 5th

570 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:36:42am

re: #542 loppyd

Bob Stanley is the real goat IMHO.

That and the fact that Buckner should not have been in the game at that point anyway. He had gotten a hit in the 6th or 7th inning and should have been pinch run for.

571 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:37:06am

In honor of the riots to come (/sarc)
time for some Zappa - Trouble Every Day
(about riots back in the 1960's)

572 FloridaAnole  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:37:11am

re: #555 Wishing

Hillary is running for Majority leader...Cat fight, anyone?

Hillary's in the Senate; Pelosi is in the House. I don't think there are any Dem women in the Senate who would challenged Hillary.

573 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:37:12am

re: #526 Athos

Generic question on Obama and his relationships with Ayers and others - if he wasn't an elected official, and was applying for a Fed. Government position that requires a TS or higher security clearance -does anyone not consider that these connections would raise numerous red flags regarding that clearance?

Having gone through the process because of my husband's work, and knowing what they consider 'red flags' I don't believe BHO could even get close to a TS clearance.

574 Dianna  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:37:18am

I have to say that I think this is the week when it all breaks out. This election changed, because CNN, of all places, is willing to discuss Obama and ACORN.

I refuse to believe that the American people can't see the pattern.

575 loppyd  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:37:19am

Just got an email from the McCain campaign about volunteering and found this to be both encouraging and frightening:

If you have legal experience and would like to join our effort to ensure an honest and open election, click here.

I'm not a lawyer and I don't play one on TV but I work for one and would be more than happy to help....I wonder if I'd end up in OH?

576 Suzette  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:37:24am

re: #559 loppyd

Mines on my rear windshield too! :)

577 Kenneth  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:37:27am

re: #568 rw in san diego

Corsi is a troofer nutjob.

578 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:37:40am

re: #566 Irene NYC

Anyone who opposes legislation by the bench should be concerned. Doesn't matter what the issue is.

All that busing of children to schools worked out really well, didn't it?

//


lets not forget one key word. The bussing was FORCED. Nobody is FORCING gays to marry.

579 Ben Hur  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:37:56am
580 realwest  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:38:13am

re: #555 Wishing
Uh, Hillary is in the Senate, Pelosi is in the House. I don't see Pelosi losing house Speaker's position and I'm not so sure Hillary will take the Senate Majority leader either.

581 Alouette  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:38:13am

re: #552 sattv4u2

how does the union of Adam and Steve translate into polygamy any more than the union of Adam and Eve?
Are there many old style Mormon gays you know of ?

Polygamy is the next step is redefining marriage. Then, polyandry.

582 pat  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:38:14am

Fox had a really good story on ACORN

583 Irene NYC  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:38:15am

re: #552 sattv4u2

how does the union of Adam and Steve translate into polygamy any more than the union of Adam and Eve?
Are there many old style Mormon gays you know of ?


Got brains? If marriage is no longer between one man and one woman than anybody can claim that their rights are being infringed if "their" definition of marriage isn't allowed by the state.

584 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:38:19am

re: #535 Russkilitlover

Ah. Gotcha.

Say ya to da UP, eh!

585 loppyd  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:38:20am

re: #569 Kenneth

If McCain wins on NOv 4th, you can look forward to having your car vandalized on Nov. 5th

It was vandalized in '04. Keyed in Harvard Square. Shockah, I know!

586 Wishing  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:38:25am

Something to consider:
If the MSM does their job and people actually SEE what an empty suit the O is...there will be MILLIONS of disappointed people. I sure dont want to abandon them to bitterness.

587 johnnyreb  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:38:40am

re: #565 sattv4u2

Okay, for the sake of argument, lets say I cover your portion of that 10-12 million,,
So my original question now stands (without the financial hardship answer0. How does it affect YOU and YOUR marriage?

Give me the money and we are square. No problems from me. As far as the gay marriage thing goes, I got no beef with that. I just know that the State will have to spend that money (read my money, and my families money) to fight off the inevitable lawsuits.

588 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:38:42am
589 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:38:45am

re: #545 ploome hineni

Very descriptive, no? OK, no more, but you just copied it again for yourself.

590 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:39:11am

re: #581 Alouette

Polygamy is the next step is redefining marriage. Then, polyandry.

then why hasn't it been the next step to redifining hetero marriage? I don;t see the connection, sorry

591 JeremiahRight  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:39:18am

re: #520 sattv4u2

Connecticut's Supreme Court ruled Friday that same-sex
couples have the right to marry

And this affects your life how ?

I think the larger point is that here in CA in the year 2000, 61% of us voted for Proposition 22, that said marriage is between a man and a woman. That's 4,300,000 people. Overturned by 4 judges this year. It's not just a matter of opposing gay marriage, it's a matter of supporting democracy.

592 Kenneth  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:39:19am

re: #585 loppyd

"Progressives" are so... progressive!

593 cblesz  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:39:19am

re: #577 Kenneth

Corsi is a troofer nutjob.

But he actually has the documents/emails...

594 Wishing  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:39:21am

re: #560 yma o hyd

That would not surprise me, either!

Bill Clinton is head PUMA
You do not mess with the Clintons and survive in one piece.

595 Suzette  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:39:29am

re: #569 Kenneth

If McCain wins on NOv 4th, you can look forward to having your car vandalized on Nov. 5th

Mine will be in my garage.

596 maddogg  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:39:30am

re: #539 buzzsawmonkey

Agreed.

597 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:39:48am

re: #579 Ben Hur

Not Over Yet

VDH

Anybody else think that VDH looks like Charlton Heston in that NRO picture?

598 XMarine  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:39:50am

re: #467 Kosh's Shadow

Their leftism blinds them to 0bama's anti-Semitic associates. Their leftism comes before their Judaism. And this all lets them accept his platitudes as the way he really believes.

When I hear the 0 say good things about Israel, they just don't sound genuine; they sound like he's pandering.

Yes, I agree. After what Jews have gone through, from the desecration of the Temple, to the Spanish Expulsion, to the 20th Century Holocaust ... (we could go on and on) it is a wonder that so many Jews cannot sense what is coming down. The Jewish People have been threatened by extermination many times in the past, yet so many cannot learn from history.

I bet that Israeli citizens have a completely different, and more realistic, view of events. After all, Israel has been living in the gun sights of evil for more than 60 years.

599 Russkilitlover  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:39:52am

re: #565 sattv4u2

Okay, for the sake of argument, lets say I cover your portion of that 10-12 million,,
So my original question now stands (without the financial hardship answer0. How does it affect YOU and YOUR marriage?

It doesn't. In California we have Prop 8 on the ballot. Millions of dollars to get this on the ballot and millions to promote it. Total waste of money, but you can't tell that to people who think that gay marriage signifies endtimes.

600 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:39:52am

re: #572 FloridaAnole

Hillary's in the Senate; Pelosi is in the House. I don't think there are any Dem women in the Senate who would challenged Hillary.


Is reid up for reelection this year? If so they PUMAs in Nevada need to vote him out, then Hillary would have a great shot at majority leader.

601 Athos  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:40:02am

OT - For fans of VDH, here is hour one and here is hour two of an interview Hugh Hewitt conducted with VDH on 10/8.

VDH: Well, I’m going to try and look at foreign policy, the war against radical Islam, and take into consideration the meltdown on Wall Street, and what lessons we can learn about the human condition, what happened to our education system that didn’t allow us to appreciate these developments, and then like it or not, we’re back in the culture wars, and we’re wrestling with this question – what is wisdom? And after…my favorite illustration of that dilemma is when I saw Barney Frank in the 2003 clip, the overseer of the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac monstrosity, Harvard Law School, interrogate Franklin Raines, Harvard Law School, and he says do you feel that you’re under-regulated at Fannie Mae and he says no, sir. And Barney Frank says why are we here? There’s no reason to be here. And that summed up the best and the brightest got us into this mess. It doesn’t mean that a Harvard Law degree is synonymous with ignorance, but it doesn’t mean necessarily it’s synonymous with excellence.

602 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:40:07am

Don't have time to read all 550+ comments. Did anyone make jokes about Madhi Bray's name?

603 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:40:13am

re: #568 rw in san diego

OT
I have to log out soon, but I'll check back later....anybody know anything about Jerome Korsi?

Coming home from services I heard a snip of Korsi being interviewed about his experience in Kenya. Is he credible?

He was involved with the swift boat guys....credible there.

He has written The Obama Nation which seems pretty accurate re: Obama

He was spouting some truther crap for a while and now has back-peddled on that.

I would say there's a 50/50 chance he's got something real in his latest investigation of Obama's relationship with Odinga.

605 pat  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:40:21am

re: #577 Kenneth

Corsi is a troofer nutjob.

I am no Corsi fan, but that is a bit of an exageration. Corsi said he had an open mind about the Troofer nonsense until he reviewed their "evidence" whereupon he said they were totally wrong.

606 Dianna  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:40:26am

re: #568 rw in san diego

OT
I have to log out soon, but I'll check back later....anybody know anything about Jerome Korsi?

Coming home from services I heard a snip of Korsi being interviewed about his experience in Kenya. Is he credible?

It depends on when you catch him. He's insane (in my opinion) on the North American Union. He helped write Unfit for Command, which really is an excellent book.

I have not read his current book, because some snippets struck me as over the top, and there is a better book.

Your mileage may differ.

607 Wishing  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:40:28am

re: #580 realwest

Uh, Hillary is in the Senate, Pelosi is in the House. I don't see Pelosi losing house Speaker's position and I'm not so sure Hillary will take the Senate Majority leader either.

Do you think they will be using the same game plan? I sure dont.

608 QueenEsther  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:40:32am

The only thing that distinguishes Barack Obama from anti-white, anti-Jewish, anti-Israel haters is the (erstwhile) absence of a Farrakhan-style bowtie. Hamas and Hezb'allah are his natural allies. WAKE UP AMERICA!

609 Kenneth  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:40:37am

re: #593 cblesz

So he says. He's a 9-11 troofer and therefore a lunatic asshole.

610 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:40:51am

re: #583 Irene NYC

Got brains? If marriage is no longer between one man and one woman than anybody can claim that their rights are being infringed if "their" definition of marriage isn't allowed by the state.

so you've given up on that whole "bussing" analogy now. Cool. I'll work with this objection now.

Let start by asking you a question. Is being gay a choice?

611 BIGDUKE 6  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:40:52am

I don't understand why the McCain people aren't running ads that show Hillary and Joe Bidden BLASTING Obama as being unqualified & inexperienced. I know there must be tons of video from the democratic primary debates that show Barry's own VP and Hillary blasting the Messiah

also why is Obama's middle name off limits ? It is his name isn't it ?
MSNBC seems to think Hussein is a dirty word.

612 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:41:06am
613 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:41:11am

re: #600 newsjunkie_ky

Is reid up for reelection this year? If so they PUMAs in Nevada need to vote him out, then Hillary would have a great shot at majority leader.

This RICO investigation will take time- Hill can wait two years for leadership in the Senate.

614 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:41:25am

re: #574 Dianna

I have to say that I think this is the week when it all breaks out. This election changed, because CNN, of all places, is willing to discuss Obama and ACORN.

I refuse to believe that the American people can't see the pattern.

I'm with you on this......although I couldn't believe that people couldn't see through Bill Clinton.....twice.

615 johnnyreb  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:41:29am

re: #591 JeremiahRight

I think the larger point is that here in CA in the year 2000, 61% of us voted for Proposition 22, that said marriage is between a man and a woman. That's 4,300,000 people. Overturned by 4 judges this year. It's not just a matter of opposing gay marriage, it's a matter of supporting democracy.


That is exactly what is going to happen here in Connecticut. Millions wasted on lawsuits. It isn't gonna be pretty, but it sure is going to be expensive for the State.

616 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:41:33am

I can hear my TV right now, and Obama is on giving some sort of speech, and every now and then, the crowd goes crazy and starts chanting:

O-BA-MA!
O-BA-MA!

Not U.S.A., but O-BA-MA!

This is a personality cult, and it is a scary thing.

They've lost sight of the fact (if they ever knew it to begin with) that this is about the safety and security of this country.

I really think that they think what it's all about is being part of the historic vote that elects the first black man to the presidency, and nothing more is important.

617 pat  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:41:45am

re: #585 loppyd

It was vandalized in '04. Keyed in Harvard Square. Shockah, I know!

Did you have your NRA sticker on the windshield?;)

618 loppyd  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:41:57am

re: #592 Kenneth

"Progressives" are so... progressive!



They are oh-so-progressive in Minnesota, too!

619 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:42:12am

re: #591 JeremiahRight

I think the larger point is that here in CA in the year 2000, 61% of us voted for Proposition 22, that said marriage is between a man and a woman. That's 4,300,000 people. Overturned by 4 judges this year. It's not just a matter of opposing gay marriage, it's a matter of supporting democracy.

"DEMOCRACY" does not mean MAJORITY RULES. In a 'democracy" of that nature, 2 wolves and 1 sheep vote on whats for dinner
We do not live in a "democracy' We have a representative republic

620 Athos  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:42:12am

re: #562 newsjunkie_ky

ROFL - That's great. I can't watch Joe without thinking of the SNL appearance where John Belushi did his Joe imitation right next to Joe.....and did it better.....

Thanks.

621 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:42:14am

re: #561 pat

The interesting thing about the PUMAs is that they were convinced Hillary was a centrist and Obama a leftwing thug.

Odd as it may seem, Hillary is a centrist when compared to Obama. That is just simply how far left Obama is. If the spectrum was from left to right, red to blue, then Obama is infrared.

622 Ben Hur  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:42:16am

re: #597 Intrepid

Anybody else think that VDH looks like Charlton Heston in that NRO picture?

I look like CHarlton Heston.

623 West Coast Freedom  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:42:20am

re: #435 loppyd

This is a flying pig moment from CNN on the same topic

Can you find my comment on there?

624 Irene NYC  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:42:23am

re: #578 sattv4u2

lets not forget one key word. The bussing was FORCED. Nobody is FORCING gays to marry.


Stop being an asshat. The court is FORCING everybody to recognize it. If gays just wanted marriage, they would form a church and get "married." They want to FORCE the rest of us to legally recognize it. And that, is something different altogether.

625 Eowyn2  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:42:43am

o/t

Acorn raising hell because someone is suspecting them in voter registration fraud in Indianapolis where 105% of eligible voters are registered.

their response:
Something about an evil plan by neocons to keep the po people from voting.

even the dead po people

626 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:42:51am

re: #622 Ben Hur

I look like CHarlton Heston.

ROFL

627 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:42:53am

re: #612 buzzsawmonkey

"Maybe the Odinga ate your baby."

Naw.....I'm not Aussie ;~)

628 BIGDUKE 6  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:43:00am

Sarah Silverman is an Asshole. checkout the greatschlep.com

629 pat  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:43:13am

re: #621 Honorary Yooper

Odd as it may seem, Hillary is a centrist when compared to Obama. That is just simply how far left Obama is. If the spectrum was from left to right, red to blue, then Obama is infrared.

yeah

630 cblesz  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:43:19am

re: #609 Kenneth

So he says. He's a 9-11 troofer and therefore a lunatic asshole.

Hey, if he did not have these copies...I would not buy his story but...

[Link: www.wnd.com...]

631 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:43:21am

re: #624 Irene NYC

Stop being an asshat. The court is FORCING everybody to recognize it. If gays just wanted marriage, they would form a church and get "married." They want to FORCE the rest of us to legally recognize it. And that, is something different altogether.

Really,, how so ? even atheistic gays ? inform me !

632 funky chicken  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:43:37am

re: #568 rw in san diego

OT
I have to log out soon, but I'll check back later....anybody know anything about Jerome Korsi?

Coming home from services I heard a snip of Korsi being interviewed about his experience in Kenya. Is he credible?

not really.

633 gonecamping  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:43:52am

re: #564 turn

Hillery is mad, and Bill can't get any interns till she gets in the White House, so I would not put anything past them.

Speaking of conspiracy theories....

This 'global economic crisis' sounds like a plot out of a Robert Ludlum book by a 'force' desiring to manipulate the economic system and national politics.

634 realwest  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:44:31am

re: #607 Wishing Now that is an excellent question and one I don't have any answer for. None at all. Power is power - Pelosi doesn't want to be POTUS, but she does want to be the most powerful Woman in Washington, I think Hillary already is.
Intersting to think about though.

635 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:44:46am

re: #616 reine.de.tout

I can hear my TV right now, and Obama is on giving some sort of speech, and every now and then, the crowd goes crazy and starts chanting:

O-BA-MA!
O-BA-MA!

Not U.S.A., but O-BA-MA!

This is a personality cult, and it is a scary thing.

They've lost sight of the fact (if they ever knew it to begin with) that this is about the safety and security of this country.

I really think that they think what it's all about is being part of the historic vote that elects the first black man to the presidency, and nothing more is important.

I fear you're right...it will finally assuage our guilt for America's original sin...

636 maddogg  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:45:02am

re: #628 BIGDUKE 6

Sarah Silverman is an Asshole. checkout the greatschlep.com

She's worse than an asshole, she's a fool.

637 pat  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:45:04am

I was in Australia when they had a huge retrospective on the Dingo ate My Baby story. Fascinating. The aborigines were the ones who saved the couple from a life in prison for murder.

638 Dianna  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:45:08am

re: #599 Russkilitlover

People are annoyed because they feel their wishes are being ignored.

Gays - to my mind - need to make their case in very straight-forward terms to the voters. I do not think it's been done.

639 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:45:25am

re: #622 Ben Hur

I look like CHarlton Heston.

Dang, BH! You look JUST LIKE HIM!

/you should go on a "celebrity look alike" circuit...

640 JeremiahRight  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:45:32am

re: #619 sattv4u2

Wrong. The USA is a representative republic, yes. But the state of California has "direct democracy" processes in place that differ from the federal govt. I'm talking about at the state level here.

641 Eowyn2  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:45:34am

re: #588 buzzsawmonkey

Despite the fact that Hillary too was a fan of Saul Alinsky, by comparison to Obama she is a centrist.

The Clintons may be corrupt; they may be power hungry. But Hillary Clinton has nowhere near the number of far-left, racist, and Islamist connections that Obama has. Compared to Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton is practically a RINO.


I'd love to be a fly in the booth to see which lever she pulls.

642 Strike Hornet  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:45:35am

re: #51 realwest

Hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, my friend, but according to Fox and Friends this morning, Obama has purchased TWO thirty minute time blocks on TV.
Thereby putting the final nail in the coffin of Political Campaign Finance Reform and Public Funding.
All ya gotta do is get a bunch of wealthy, terrorist supporting states to contribute tens of millions of dollars to your campaign and, as did Obama, you can then renege on your promise to take Public Funding and voila - you get your 30 minute infomercials.


You would think some wealthy republicans would put some money up to do the same for McCain...but instead they will just hand over their money over to Obama in taxes and capital gains...

643 Irene NYC  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:45:45am

re: #610 sattv4u2

so you've given up on that whole "bussing" analogy now. Cool. I'll work with this objection now.

Let start by asking you a question. Is being gay a choice?


Start with a more important question.

What is the purpose of marriage? Think big picture here.

644 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:46:09am

re: #608 QueenEsther

The only thing that distinguishes Barack Obama from anti-white, anti-Jewish, anti-Israel haters is the (erstwhile) absence of a Farrakhan-style bowtie. Hamas and Hezb'allah are his natural allies. WAKE UP AMERICA!

Interesting that Deutschland Erwache (Wake Up Germany or Germany Awaken)was a very prominent Nazi slogan.

645 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:46:21am

re: #593 cblesz

But he actually has the documents/emails...

The enemy of my enemy can still be an nutjob.

646 loppyd  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:46:25am

re: #617 pat

Did you have your NRA sticker on the windshield?;)

Worse. Bush/Cheney '04.

It was one of three incidents.

The first one was a W'04 sticker which was ripped off along with my "Support the Troops" yellow ribbon magnet.

The second was a Bush/Cheney sticker which I still think was a lawyer who used to work in this building.

The third was Harvard Square, but they only ripped off part of it and the old one that was partially there from the rip off prior was still underneath it. Then they decided to key the back and side of my car. Nice, huh?

647 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:46:39am
648 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:46:42am

re: #620 Athos

ROFL - That's great. I can't watch Joe without thinking of the SNL appearance where John Belushi did his Joe imitation right next to Joe.....and did it better.....

Thanks.


You are welcome. I loved Belushi/Cocker. Back when SNL was watchable.
Hope you have a good one.

649 faraway  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:46:57am

re: #643 Irene NYC

Start with a more important question.

What is the purpose of marriage? Think big picture here.

To have sex for a year?

/

650 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:47:04am

re: #640 JeremiahRight

Wrong. The USA is a representative republic, yes. But the state of California has "direct democracy" processes in place that differ from the federal govt. I'm talking about at the state level here.

so if I could muster 50% plus 1 Californian that votes for you to be tarred and feathered, you'd be okay with that?

651 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:47:21am

re: #647 buzzsawmonkey

The notion that slavery--or "racism"--is "America's original sin" is a big fat f*cking lie.

Couldn't agree with you more.

652 loppyd  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:47:27am

re: #623 West Coast Freedom

Can you find my comment on there?

I can look. Is it this nic?

653 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:47:33am
Obama Campaign Met with Hamas and Hezbollah Supporters

The bubble headed morons who support Obama won't care. The Hope Changelings' support for him has no rational basis.

654 turn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:47:34am

re: #633 gonecamping

Interns .. LOL! Not familiar with the book, but that force sounds like it could be Soros to me.

655 Suzette  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:47:52am

re: #514 loppyd

Wow Athos.....you are the same age as me! :)

Just for you since it is fall too!

656 Celtic Templar  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:48:05am

re: #643 Irene NYC

Start with a more important question.

What is the purpose of marriage? Think big picture here.

Even bigger picture question, should the Church or State be in the marrying business?

657 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:48:09am

re: #646 loppyd

It is wonderful how tolerant the left is of other people's opinions.//

658 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:48:25am

re: #643 Irene NYC

Start with a more important question.

What is the purpose of marriage? Think big picture here.

strawman. I know hetero MARRIED couples that choose not to and never have had children.

So I'll ask again, is being gay a CHOICE?

659 JeremiahRight  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:48:46am

re: #650 sattv4u2

so if I could muster 50% plus 1 Californian that votes for you to be tarred and feathered, you'd be okay with that?

if you could get it on the ballot, I'd have to live with it. That's the way it works out here. That is, until I could get 4 judges to overturn your 51% vote.

660 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:49:05am

re: #649 faraway

To have sex for a year?

/

Really? Gotta talk to the wife.
/

661 funky chicken  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:49:11am

re: #616 reine.de.tout

I can hear my TV right now, and Obama is on giving some sort of speech, and every now and then, the crowd goes crazy and starts chanting:

O-BA-MA!
O-BA-MA!

Not U.S.A., but O-BA-MA!

This is a personality cult, and it is a scary thing.

They've lost sight of the fact (if they ever knew it to begin with) that this is about the safety and security of this country.

I really think that they think what it's all about is being part of the historic vote that elects the first black man to the presidency, and nothing more is important.

William Ayers is certainly getting his (inherited) money's worth, isn't he?

662 realwest  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:49:16am

re: #503 Athos
Hey HAPPY BIRTHDAY MY FRIEND! And many, many more!
I'm doing ok, I reckon. Sorry I missed your answer while I was fixing my 'puter - you know what a master of Geek-Fu I am! LOL!

663 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:49:19am

re: #659 JeremiahRight

if you could get it on the ballot, I'd have to live with it. That's the way it works out here. That is, until I could get 4 judges to overturn your 51% vote.

well then there you go! The system WORKS! Thanks

664 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:49:22am
665 faraway  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:49:31am

re: #658 sattv4u2

strawman. I know hetero MARRIED couples that choose not to and never have had children.

So I'll ask again, is being gay a CHOICE?

It must be a choice, because liberals are saying that Sarah Palin has been converting gays.

666 Wishing  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:49:38am

re: #648 newsjunkie_ky

You are welcome. I loved Belushi/Cocker. Back when SNL was watchable.
Hope you have a good one.

Did u see that Palin MAY do a spot on SNL? Alongside Tina Fey?
Palin and Fey: TOGETHER

667 Celtic Templar  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:49:40am

re: #649 faraway

To have sex for a year?

/

One contiguous year or 365 times over 40 years?

668 Athos  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:49:50am

re: #655 Suzette

Thank you!

669 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:49:52am

You know, if I were McCain, I would lay it right out on the table. He should put his Keating 5 phase up against ALL of these questionable Obama connections.

I have NEVER seen a presidential candidate have SO MANY dealings, even if they are just fleeting moments, with thugs, racists, racist ministers, terrorists, dictators, corrupt financial schemes, socialists, communists, marxists and the big Chi-town political cabal.

And top that off with his extreme ego, his christ-like persona and his almost total lack of job qualifications...

BOY THIS IS ONE FUCK-UP ELECTION.

670 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:50:01am

re: #647 buzzsawmonkey

re: #635 scottishbuzzsaw

I fear you're right...it will finally assuage our guilt for America's original sin...

The notion that slavery--or "racism"--is "America's original sin" is a big fat f*cking lie.

I tend to agree, but do you have any deeper thoughts and reasons that I could use in a discussion with a minister?

671 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:50:03am

re: #665 faraway

It must be a choice, because liberals are saying that Sarah Palin has been converting gays.

LOL

672 Irene NYC  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:50:03am

re: #658 sattv4u2

strawman. I know hetero MARRIED couples that choose not to and never have had children.

So I'll ask again, is being gay a CHOICE?

Whether or not individual married couples choose not have to children is not the big picture. That is a false argument.

Who cares if it's genetic or otherwise? Changing the definition of marriage is political.

673 loppyd  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:50:31am

52% Favor McCain’s Mortgage Bailout Plan

Take that, Barry.

Like it or not, McCain actually has a plan. Barry's got talk and nuance and bullshit nothingness.

674 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:51:07am

re: #667 Celtic Templar

One contiguous year or 365 times over 40 years?

As a buddy once said, "I have sex every night, sometimes even someone else."

675 JohnAdams  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:51:11am

re: #647 buzzsawmonkey

The notion that slavery--or "racism"--is "America's original sin" is a big fat f*cking lie.

I unravelled that line of reasoning the other day and decided that Homo Sapiens committed the original sin when they eliminated Cro Magnon man.

With these people, Somebody must be held accountable for reality. They'd blame God, but God is dead. This is why they always appear to be on the brink of an exploding head.

676 Celtic Templar  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:51:20am

re: #672 Irene NYC

Whether or not individual married couples choose not have to children is not the big picture. That is a false argument.

Who cares if it's genetic or otherwise? Changing the definition of marriage is political.

Sorry to but in, but the radicalization of the judicial system is my main concern. Judicial activism is a threat that trumps everything.

677 faraway  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:51:30am

re: #660 Ford_Prefect

Really? Gotta talk to the wife.
/

My uncle told me that when you get married, you have piggy bank sex.

For the first year, you put a penny in the piggy bank every time you have sex.

Thereafter, you get to take out a penny each time you have sex. Its a great retirement plan.

678 Joan Not of Arc  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:51:31am

What a colossal pile of pig crap! Obama isn't sorry he did it. He is sorry he got caught. That will be a familiar tune if he is ever elected (God willing, he will never be).

679 Athos  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:51:41am

re: #662 realwest

Thanks.

Fixing your 'puter again. Did you remember to put the sledgehammer away after using it? Hang in there buddy!

680 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:51:44am

re: #623 West Coast Freedom

Can you find my comment on there?

Was watching Headline News at lunch, and they were running a big story about the ACORN vote fraud, and mentioned the Obama campaign's $800k donation. They even had a big red "$800, 000" on the screen, followed by a picture of Obama, next to which a big red check mark appeared.

681 Suzette  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:51:47am

re: #668 Athos

Thank you!

Your welcome! I just turn 49 in August.
/I am hoping the 50's are better than my 40's! :)

682 HoosierHoops  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:52:01am

re: #559 loppyd

I got my sticker Monday. It's firmly affixed on the rear windshield. I love looking back and seeing it! But I love seeing the looks for horror on the moonbat faces in moonbatville where I work.

BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA


I certainly hope those moonbats leave your car alone..
{Loppyd}

683 Irene NYC  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:52:06am

re: #676 Celtic Templar

Sorry to but in, but the radicalization of the judicial system is my main concern. Judicial activism is a threat that trumps everything.


I already mentioned that up above.

684 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:52:08am

re: #672 Irene NYC

Whether or not individual married couples choose not have to children is not the big picture. That is a false argument.

Who cares if it's genetic or otherwise? Changing the definition of marriage is political.

or perhaps it was the wrong definition to start with. I seem to recall the definition of a voter in the USA used to be PROPERTY OWNING MNALES ONLY. Good thing we CHANGED the definition of that , huh ?

685 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:52:20am
686 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:52:47am

re: #681 Suzette

Your welcome! I just turn 49 in August.
/I am hoping the 50's are better than my 40's! :)

I turned 49 in August as well...my husband, at 51, swears the 50s are better! ;>)

687 XMarine  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:53:06am

Bye, all. A most interesting thread ...

688 BLBfootballs  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:53:13am
“There was some hope it wouldn’t get out” into the media, the attendee added. “There was some concern within the Obama camp that some of these people coming may be a political liability.”

[sad headshake]
These aren't the Hamas and Hezbollah supporters that Barack Obama knew...

689 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:53:17am

re: #656 Celtic Templar

Even bigger picture question, should the Church or State be in the marrying business?

The fact is that when the federal government started offering special rights and benefits to married couples they opened themselves up for this argument. It is right in our Constitution that the government cannot create rights for one group of people and not another.

690 HoosierHoops  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:53:32am

re: #563 realwest

"Franken up by 6 in Minnesota. Now that is insanity."

Nope, that's Minnesota. Seriously. What state does the only muslim congressman hail from? When was he first elected to office - before or after 9/11 ?


Realwest! what up man..
What state elects retired made for TV wrestlers?
Minn.

691 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:53:36am

re: #666 Wishing

Did u see that Palin MAY do a spot on SNL? Alongside Tina Fey?
Palin and Fey: TOGETHER


Heard that. I guess I may watch that. Did anyone watch the snl political roundup last night? Apparently they are going to do this until the election.

692 JeremiahRight  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:53:41am
693 ratso  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:53:48am

anonymous? now wait a minute here ;) re: #685 ploome hineni

yes I did..

just in case you did not know what the reference was

descriptive? sometime there is TMI..just because we are anonymous here, doesn;t mean I want/need to hear it all

694 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:53:59am

re: #581 Alouette

Polygamy is the next step is redefining marriage. Then, polyandry.

And then comes animal husbandry. Catherine the Great was too early.

695 Athos  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:54:12am

re: #664 buzzsawmonkey

Your 50th is your Jubilee Year. Proclaim liberty throughout the land, and unto all the inhabitants thereof.

A friend in the UK sent me this proclamation.....

To: The citizens of the United States of America

From: Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II

In light of your failure in recent years to nominate competent candidates for President of the USA and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective immediately. (You should look up 'revocation' in the Oxford English Dictionary.)

Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchical duties over all states, commonwealths, and territories (except Kansas , which she does not fancy).

Your new Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, will appoint a Governor for America without the need for further elections.

Congress and the Senate will be disbanded. A questionnaire may be circulated next year to determine whether any of you noticed.

To aid in the transition to a British Crown dependency, the following rules are introduced with immediate effect:

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1. The letter 'U' will be reinstated in words such as 'colour,'favour,' 'labour' and 'neighbour.' Likewise, you will learn to spell 'doughnut' without skipping half the letters, and the suffix '-ize' will be replaced by the suffix '-'ise.'Generally, you will be expected to raise your vocabulary to acceptable levels. (look up 'vocabulary').

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2. Using the same twenty-seven words interspersed with filler noises such as ''like' and 'you know' is an unacceptable and inefficient form of communication. There is no such thing as U.S. English. We will let Microsoft know on your behalf. The Microsoft spell-checker will be adjusted to take into account the reinstated letter 'u'' and the elimination of '-ize.'

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3. July 4th will no longer be celebrated as a holiday.

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4.You will learn to resolve personal issues without using guns, lawyers, or therapists. The fact that you need so many lawyers and therapists shows that you're not quite ready to be independent. Guns should only be used for shooting grouse. If you can't sort things out without suing someone or speaking to a therapist, then you're not ready to shoot grouse.

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5. Therefore, you will no longer be allowed to own or carry anything more dangerous than a vegetable peeler. Although a permit will be required if you wish to carry a vegetable peeler in public.

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6. All intersections will be replaced with roundabouts, and you will start driving on the left side with immediate effect. At the same time, you will go metric with immediate effect and without the benefit of conversion tables. Both roundabouts and metrication will help you understand the British sense of humour.

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7. The former USA will adopt UK prices on petrol (which you have been calling gasoline) of roughly $10/US gallon. Get used to it.

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8. You will learn to make real chips. Those things you call French fries are not real chips, and those things you insist on calling potato chips are properly called crisps. Real chips are thick cut, fried in animal fat, and dressed not with catsup but with vinegar.

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9. The cold, tasteless stuff you insist on calling beer is not actually beer at all. Henceforth, only proper British Bitter will be referred to as beer, and European brews of known and accepted provenance will be referred to as Lager. South African beer is also acceptable, as they are pound for pound the greatest sporting nation on earth and it can only be due to the beer. They are also part of the British Commonwealth - see what it did for them. American brands will be referred to as Near-Frozen Gnat's Urine, so that all can be sold without risk of further confusion.

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696 Suzette  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:54:13am

re: #669 Walter L. Newton

Yes it is! All the more reason McCain needs to win this. :)

697 Celtic Templar  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:54:23am

re: #684 sattv4u2

By that logic, you think that polygamy, pedophilia, et al. should be legal b/c they are illegal now? There should be no social discrimination, based your logic?

698 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:54:39am

re: #694 Kosh's Shadow

And then comes animal husbandry. Catherine the Great was too early.

Petting zoos become wedding chapels.

699 ratso  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:54:47am

re: #690 HoosierHoops
He makes me want to gut it up

700 Typicalwhitey  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:54:56am

re: #583 Irene NYC

Got brains? If marriage is no longer between one man and one woman than anybody can claim that their rights are being infringed if "their" definition of marriage isn't allowed by the state.

DING DING DING
We have a WINNAH!

That is the same thing I try to tell people. If defining marriage as between a man and a woman is discriminitory then you cannot stop at just defining it between two people (gay or straight).

It can only be ONE way or ALL ways.

701 Throbert McGee  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:54:58am

re: #512 Athos

Mass and California.......although voters might kill it in California if Prop 8 passes and the Constitution is amended to define marriage as between one man and one woman.

The Connecticut decision -- by insisting that same-sex couples have a right to marriage under that name, and explicitly saying that civil-union laws are not an adequate compromise -- could make the passage of Prop 8 more likely, not less so.

The rationale for saying that the civil-union option already available in Connecticut isn't good enough is that such unions only have force in CT (and one may assume that Mass., Cal., and VT would also recognize CT civil unions), but aren't recognized at the federal level. Suffice to say, though, that if CT passes a law recognize same-sex unions under the name "marriage," the federal government will continue to ignore the CT law, just as it does now.

In short, same-sex couples in CT could end up with the right to "marriages" that are identical, for practical legal purposes, to what they already have with CT's "civil union" laws. But in the meantime, circumstances for same-sex couples in California could take a step backward if CA voters react to the news from CT by voting for Prop 8 in greater numbers.

But at least it'll mean job security for professional gay lobbyists...

702 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:55:05am

re: #583 Irene NYC

Got brains? If marriage is no longer between one man and one woman than anybody can claim that their rights are being infringed if "their" definition of marriage isn't allowed by the state.

Especially if they can claim it is in the Koran their religion

703 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:55:33am

re: #673 loppyd

52% Favor McCain’s Mortgage Bailout Plan

Take that, Barry.

Like it or not, McCain actually has a plan. Barry's got talk and nuance and bullshit nothingness.

Like it or not, both of these candidates know that the American public has been SO spoiled with having most of what they want, including those who can't afford it, that this election is becoming a race to see who can be the most give it away socialist in the bunch.

Hell, even people in proverty have it better than most people in third world nations.

I've got it ok right now, and damnit, I'm poor, I make as much now as I did when I was 25, and I still manage.

And I'm not going to give up my freedom just to keep cable television coming to my apartment, or whatever it is that scares Americans, whatever they are so worried about loosing.

704 Athos  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:55:41am

Part 2

10. Hollywood will be required occasionally to cast English actors as good guys. Hollywood will also be required to cast English actors to play English characters. Watching Andie Macdowell attempt English dialogue in Four Weddings and a Funeral was an experience akin to having one's ears removed with a cheese grater.

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11. You will cease playing American football. There is only one kind of proper football; you call it soccer. Those of you brave enough will, in time, be allowed to play rugby (which has some similarities to American football, but does not involve stopping for a rest every twenty seconds or wearing full kevlar body armour like a bunch of nancies).

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12. Further, you will stop playing baseball. It is not reasonable to host an event called the World Series for a game which is not played outside of America . Since only 2.1% of you are aware there is a world beyond your borders, your error is understandable. You will learn cricket, and we will let you face the South Africans first to take the sting out of their deliveries.

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13. You must tell us who killed JFK. It's been driving us mad.

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14. An internal revenue agent (i.e. tax collector) from Her Majesty's Government will be with you shortly to ensure the acquisition of all monies due (backdated to 1776).

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15. Daily Tea Time begins promptly at 4 p.m. with proper cups, with saucers, and never mugs, with high quality biscuits (cookies) and cakes; plus strawberries (with cream) when in season.

705 Dianna  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:55:56am

re: #643 Irene NYC

Start with a more important question.

What is the purpose of marriage? Think big picture here.

The purpose of marriage is the protection of children and preservation of property. Those are the firmest bases of society, or at least, used to be.

We have become so wealthy, so very far from the edges that made those necessary, that we've forgotten that these were the reasons for marriage as a legal institution.

Just as an interesting exercise, look up the book The Return of Martin Guerre.

706 Suzette  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:56:02am

re: #673 loppyd

Oh and loppyd......if anyone even messes with my car....my son is a cop.
/I will press criminal charges!

707 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:56:02am

re: #697 Celtic Templar

By that logic, you think that polygamy, pedophilia, et al. should be legal b/c they are illegal now? There should be no social discrimination, based your logic?

just because A = B and B= C does NOT mean that A = C

sorry

708 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:56:29am

re: #695 Athos

Where is the statement saying they'll place video cameras every 10ft?

709 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:56:38am
710 faraway  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:56:43am

I wanted to marry my 401k, but she has gotten a little skinny lately.

711 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:56:59am

re: #658 sattv4u2

strawman. I know hetero MARRIED couples that choose not to and never have had children.

So I'll ask again, is being gay a CHOICE?

I think for some it is and for others it isn't. Either way it doesn't matter. All that really matters is that marrying is a choice whether you are gay or straight. Therefore if the government is going to recognize it and confer rights and privileges based on that choice, then they need to do it for everyone, not just men and women.

712 realwest  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:57:04am

re: #643 Irene NYC
Hey {Irene} - listen, I should alert you to something:
sattv4u2 - is something of a contrarian (YES YOU ARE!)
but he's a good poster and he's right about our Constitutional Republic; just because a majority vote for something doesn't make it right or legal.
But what I don't get is why a Gay Civil-Union Law, basically giving Gay's the same civil liberties and rights that straights have, isn't enough?
I've always viewed "marriage" as being a more religious sorta thing - but you can get married by a city clerk, as opposed to a minister, priest or rabbi.
I think most Americans (at least those I've spoken to on the subject) think Marriage should be for hetero's only, but Gays should have the same rights of inheritance, visitation in hospitals etc, etc that they would have if they had been married by a city/civil clerk.
Just sayin..................!

713 Suzette  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:57:17am

re: #686 scottishbuzzsaw

Well a belated "Happy Birthday" to you too! :)

714 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:57:23am

re: #694 Kosh's Shadow

And then comes animal husbandry. Catherine the Great was too early.

All except for those who'd rather not yak on their honeymoons.

715 Celtic Templar  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:57:36am

re: #707 sattv4u2

just because A = B and B= C does NOT mean that A = C

sorry

I agree, and that's why heterosexual marriage != homosexual unions nor should it ever be decided by a gang of 4 or 12 or however many judges.

716 funky chicken  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:57:38am

re: #673 loppyd

52% Favor McCain’s Mortgage Bailout Plan

Take that, Barry.

Like it or not, McCain actually has a plan. Barry's got talk and nuance and bullshit nothingness.

But, yet again, we have people like Michelle Malkin and Glenn Beck telling their audience that McCain's plan is socialism just like Barack Obama. You know, those two (and the rest of their ilk) won't really suffer that much under a Barry O regime, at least for a while. Those of us out here in the suburbs, without lots of security and high fences could be in real trouble when the Obama Jugend come looking for things to "borrow" and "unpatriotic" people to make into examples.

And the thought that they are helping to make Obama Commander in Chief of our armed forces infuriates me.

717 ratso  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:57:38am

hmmmm, that kinda sounds better that what we are about to get, I vote yes re: #695 Athos

718 Dianna  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:57:45am

re: #656 Celtic Templar

Even bigger picture question, should the Church or State be in the marrying business?

The State has a definite interest in marriage.

719 gonecamping  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:58:24am

re: #654 turn
I've read a few Ludlum books and seemed like there was a conspiracy them in most. My comment was not to reference a specific story, only to say this scenario sounds like a plot Ludlum may not have written but is occurring.

A financial meltdown less than month from the election is timely for the DEMS, especially when the press pours gas on the fire and advisers yell sell, sell!

720 Irene NYC  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:58:42am

re: #684 sattv4u2

or perhaps it was the wrong definition to start with. I seem to recall the definition of a voter in the USA used to be PROPERTY OWNING MNALES ONLY. Good thing we CHANGED the definition of that , huh ?


Oh yeah, baby. All of human history which maintained marriage to be between one man and one woman has been wrong and all the GLBT lobby is nothing but wisdom.

721 loppyd  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:58:43am

re: #706 Suzette

Oh and loppyd......if anyone even messes with my car....my son is a cop.
/I will press criminal charges!

I wasn't there to witness any of the incidents or I would have.

Thank your son for me, please.

722 realwest  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:58:52am

re: #690 HoosierHoops
Hey Hoops - yeah, I had forgotten about Jesse (The I used to have a Body) Ventura.
Sometimes I think living in Minnesota must be a daily laugh.
Apologies to any Minnesota liazards!

723 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:58:55am

re: #676 Celtic Templar

Sorry to but in, but the radicalization of the judicial system is my main concern. Judicial activism is a threat that trumps everything.

That I do agree with.

724 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:58:57am

re: #696 Suzette

Yes it is! All the more reason McCain needs to win this. :)

And as I have been saying, after McCain gets in, then arrest and convict as many of them in DC as we can. The crap must be cleaned out, There are very few innocents left in DC.

I'm out of here. Got to go to the theatre. This will be my first full work load day since I had the hernia surgery.

It will feel good cleaning toilets and running lights and sounds LOL. Later Lizards.

725 Celtic Templar  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:59:13am

re: #718 Dianna

The State has a definite interest in marriage.

It also has a definite interest in my property and income. Doesn't make me happy about it, and if I were to lobby against "gay marriage", I would, to be fair, lobby for no State marriage. My opinion, feel free to disagree.

726 faraway  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:59:24am

We won't have marriage long anyway.

Obama will have us all living in communes, producing arugula for the masses.

727 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:59:39am

Mark Steyn was on with Hugh Hewitt for his usual Thursday bit, and had an interesting take on the "MSM in the tank for Obama" thing.

His thinking is that because old media is on the ropes, they're backing Obama in the hopes of getting the Fairness Doctrine reinstated, and the blogs and talk radio regulated or put out of business, so that the public will have to rely on them (old media) again.

728 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:00:12am

re: #720 Irene NYC

Oh yeah, baby. All of human history which maintained marriage to be between one man and one woman has been wrong and all the GLBT lobby is nothing but wisdom.

so you would have been in FAVOR of keeping voting rights to property owning white males?

729 loppyd  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:00:20am

re: #727 Ward Cleaver

Mark Steyn was on with Hugh Hewitt for his usual Thursday bit, and had an interesting take on the "MSM in the tank for Obama" thing.

His thinking is that because old media is on the ropes, they're backing Obama in the hopes of getting the Fairness Doctrine reinstated, and the blogs and talk radio regulated or put out of business, so that the public will have to rely on them (old media) again.

That just made my blood go cold.

730 tackle  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:00:24am

I know this is a little OT, but I had an idea on how to combat the rampant voter fraud in the swing vote states: adopt the purple finger. Sure it's rudimentary, but it would prevent multiple votes and serve as a reminder that Iraq's election was a referendum on democracy.
We should demand the purple finger!

731 SnakeSpit  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:00:39am

OT. I missed out on the financial crisis thread. There's only one thing I know of that would REALLY get the attention of all of our government officials, and force them to straighten this shit out. That would be a real taxpayers revolt. I think main street republicans and democrats would go for it.


It would be simple to do. Contact all your congressmen and tell them you will not file income taxes for 2008 until a real accounting is done and made public to all Americans. It would be totally impossible for the IRS to prosecute that many people. It would force the governments hand.

I know this might be simplistic, but think about it.

732 realwest  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:00:42am

re: #681 Suzette
Hi Suzette - don't count on the 50's being better than the 40's - getting older ISN'T for wussies, TRUST ME!
LOL!

733 debutaunt  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:00:58am

re: #362 Alouette

Manson helped kick off Bernadine Dohrn's political career. Wild!

I just don't dig it.

734 faraway  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:01:04am

re: #727 Ward Cleaver

Mark Steyn was on with Hugh Hewitt for his usual Thursday bit, and had an interesting take on the "MSM in the tank for Obama" thing.

His thinking is that because old media is on the ropes, they're backing Obama in the hopes of getting the Fairness Doctrine reinstated, and the blogs and talk radio regulated or put out of business, so that the public will have to rely on them (old media) again.

It wouldn't matter. People will just go straight to live Internet feeds.

735 Celtic Templar  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:01:13am

re: #727 Ward Cleaver

Mark Steyn was on with Hugh Hewitt for his usual Thursday bit, and had an interesting take on the "MSM in the tank for Obama" thing.

His thinking is that because old media is on the ropes, they're backing Obama in the hopes of getting the Fairness Doctrine reinstated, and the blogs and talk radio regulated or put out of business, so that the public will have to rely on them (old media) again.

Wouldn't the truth squads in MO make someone in the MSM realize that if not them, there is no one to defend speech? I know, 5th column and all that.

736 Alouette  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:01:18am

re: #720 Irene NYC

Oh yeah, baby. All of human history which maintained marriage to be between one man and one woman has been wrong and all the GLBT lobby is nothing but wisdom.

The last society to condone gay marriage were the ancient Greeks, but even then the gay "married couples" always kept some female slaves around for breeding purposes.

737 formercorpsman  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:01:25am

re: #707 sattv4u2

I have a serious question, and not one for a flame war here.

With a redefinition of marriage, would you accept the premise of polygamists challenging it as well, since they obviously don't adhere to this norm either?

738 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:01:32am

re: #707 sattv4u2

just because A = B and B= C does NOT mean that A = C

sorry

What are you smoking?

Is this what now passes for logic?

739 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:01:40am

re: #726 faraway

We won't have marriage long anyway.

Obama will have us all living in communes, producing arugula for the masses.

Tie dye shirts for everyone!

740 Wishing  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:01:55am

re: #731 SnakeSpit

OT. I missed out on the financial crisis thread. There's only one thing I know of that would REALLY get the attention of all of our government officials, and force them to straighten this shit out. That would be a real taxpayers revolt. I think main street republicans and democrats would go for it.


It would be simple to do. Contact all your congressmen and tell them you will not file income taxes for 2008 until a real accounting is done and made public to all Americans. It would be totally impossible for the IRS to prosecute that many people. It would force the governments hand.

I know this might be simplistic, but think about it.

Careful! We would have to submit the form filled out, but we COULD put an IOU in it!

741 Irene NYC  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:02:10am

re: #707 sattv4u2

just because A = B and B= C does NOT mean that A = C

sorry

Well, that depends on how you define your universe, doesn't it? In most universes, the transitive property of equality holds true, otherwise there is no consistency.

So, what universe do you come from?

742 Dianna  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:02:12am

re: #697 Celtic Templar

By that logic, you think that polygamy, pedophilia, et al. should be legal b/c they are illegal now? There should be no social discrimination, based your logic?

That, I fear, is where this ends up if we remove the State from Marriage.

It's messy. It always will be.

743 HoosierHoops  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:02:14am

re: #712 realwest
I think gays should have the right to be married and as miserable as us married folks. Also you double the amount of clients for divorce Lawyers.
/ Yup.. I know the sarc tag was needed.

744 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:02:14am

re: #695 Athos

Feel free to send your friend my reply when I got a version of that same pronouncement;

Well, Good Day, your Majesty! Regarding your message, I have the following responses for you—

-Disbanding Congress? Yes please. Although we would prefer, as Mark Twain said, to be governed by the first 300 names in the phone book to any of your corrupt and spineless lot.

-Beer temps? I love a good English bitter, but all of your former colonies decided long ago that God wanted beer to be cold.

-Baseball vs. Cricket? I’ll assume here that centuries of in-breeding have fully addled your brain to think that the confusing, 36 hour-long “matches” that pass for that game are anything but a bad idea that no one will let die.

-Gordon Brown should not be allowed to wash Tony Blair’s knickers.

-Taking our guns? You tried that once and it didn’t work out so well, did it?

-Metric? Same response.

-Tea time? Sure, sounds like a brilliant idea.

Warmest regards,

America

745 Celtic Templar  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:02:18am

re: #737 formercorpsman

I have a serious question, and not one for a flame war here.

With a redefinition of marriage, would you accept the premise of polygamists challenging it as well, since they obviously don't adhere to this norm either?

Without social discrimination, yes all forms of "marriage" are on the table. I would think the precedent had been set.

746 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:02:38am

re: #739 Ward Cleaver

Tie dye shirts for everyone!

I'm thinking its more of the leg shackle and paper uniform type of commune they have planned.

747 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:03:03am

re: #725 Celtic Templar

It also has a definite interest in my property and income. Doesn't make me happy about it, and if I were to lobby against "gay marriage", I would, to be fair, lobby for no State marriage. My opinion, feel free to disagree.

That is basically what I am saying. If you don't want the government to recognize same sex marriage then they have to stop recognizing traditional marriage.

748 tfc3rid  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:03:08am

re: #729 loppyd

That just made my blood go cold.

Sadly, he is exactly right... They do want that and the Dem majority everywhere will make it happen.

749 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:03:15am

re: #738 eschew_obfuscation

What are you smoking?

Is this what now passes for logic?

I see you were never an Algebra student.

750 JohnAdams  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:03:29am

re: #729 loppyd

That just made my blood go cold.

He who controls the flow of information...

BTW, what is the Fairness Doctrine, exactly?

751 Suzette  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:03:30am

re: #616 reine.de.tout

You know reine I wouldn't care if a black man were president.
But I don't want a Chicago thug as CiC!
/excellent post by the way! :)

752 loppyd  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:03:46am

re: #728 sattv4u2

so you would have been in FAVOR of keeping voting rights to property owning white males?

This is the argument that was used in MA.

My opinion of gay marriage is one of ambiguity. That being said, how we came to have gay marriage in my state is an outrage. The SJC created a law. The people gathered more than the required number of signatures to put a referendum question on the ballot this November, but the legislature blocked it by procedural moves and it never made the ballot.

753 faraway  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:03:48am

In 1969, Ayers and his wife convened a "War Council" in Flint Michigan, whose purpose was to launch a military front inside the United States with the purpose of helping Third World revolutionaries conquer and destroy it. Taking charge of the podium, dressed in a high-heeled boots and a leather mini-skirt – her signature uniform – Dorhn incited the assembled radicals to join the war against "Amerikkka" and create chaos and destruction in the "belly of the beast." Her voice rising to a fevered pitch, Dohrn raised three fingers in a "fork salute" to mass murderer Charles Manson whom she proposed as a symbol to her troops. Referring to the helpless victims of the Manson Family as the "Tate Eight" (the most famous was actress Sharon Tate) Dohrn shouted:

Dig It. First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim’s stomach! Wild!

754 debutaunt  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:04:08am

re: #740 Wishing

Careful! We would have to submit the form filled out, but we COULD put an IOU in it!

Maybe enclose a vial of urine.

755 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:04:15am

re: #737 formercorpsman

I have a serious question, and not one for a flame war here.

With a redefinition of marriage, would you accept the premise of polygamists challenging it as well, since they obviously don't adhere to this norm either?

I understand your point. Slippery sloap and all. I just don;t see how MY marriage is affected negativley if a gay couple wants to get married

756 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:04:16am

re: #729 loppyd

That just made my blood go cold.

This should warm you up a bit ;~)

How do you think people would respond to attempts by congress to implement the Fairness Doctrine?

757 doppelganglander  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:04:25am

re: #575 loppyd

Just got an email from the McCain campaign about volunteering and found this to be both encouraging and frightening:

I'm not a lawyer and I don't play one on TV but I work for one and would be more than happy to help....I wonder if I'd end up in OH?

You could probably be very helpful. I get emails all the time inviting me to leave my safe red state and venture into the wilds of the blue to help out. Unfortunately, I don't have the means to pay my own way at the moment.

758 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:04:26am

re: #755 sattv4u2

I understand your point. Slippery sloap and all. I just don;t see how MY marriage is affected negativley if a gay couple wants to get married

SLOPE ,,, PIMF

759 Athos  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:04:30am

re: #701 Throbert McGee

Here in CA - there are already civil union laws that extend at the State level everything that marriage does, except for not using the term 'marriage'. That is one of the major arguments. It seems from your information, that the CT Supreme Court may have used a lot of the CA ruling as their justification....since that is very similar to what the 4 justices here said.

When the civil union laws extend exactly the same legal standing - then the issue, IMO, comes down to primarily 2 issues. One, the process in which it was determined. Here is CA there is a lot of outrage regarding the legislation from the bench and as mentioned earlier 4 justices invalidating a 60%+ plurality - and the focus on the term marriage. One question that rarely gets answered is, if there is a complete legal equality between marriage and civil unions - why the fight over a term?

I personally think Prop 8 will pass in CA....and at somepoint in the future, another proposition voted by a plurality of CA voters will invalidate Prop 8. But until that point arrives, if it arrives, there is nothing wrong with marriage still being defined as only between one man and one woman - and same-sex couples getting all of the legal benefits (and limitations - ie divorce) via civil union.

760 jwb7605  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:04:44am

re: #606 Dianna

It depends on when you catch him. He's insane (in my opinion) on the North American Union. He helped write Unfit for Command, which really is an excellent book.

I have not read his current book, because some snippets struck me as over the top, and there is a better book.

Your mileage may differ.


I'm a former SBFVT member, and your comments are right on target.

He does the same thing lefties (on the other side of 'center') that present a truth, and then embellish with half truths, and then draw a bad conclusion based on both.
Swift Boat stuff was (as far as I could tell from my own personal experiences) completely accurate.
After that, he got very iffy in my view.

761 Irene NYC  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:05:10am

re: #712 realwest

hey real!

Thanks for the heads up!

From my neck of the woods, the GLBT lobby is allied with a far left wing agenda. It's anti-family, anti-everything that is not radical.

762 realwest  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:05:23am

re: #716 funky chicken
Hey funky chicken - from loppy's link:

Democrats like McCain’s plan more than Republicans, even though Barack Obama opposes it. Fifty-nine percent (59%) of Democratic voters think it’s a good idea, compared to 47% of Republicans – and 49% of unaffiliated voters.

Seventy percent (70%) of African-American voters favor McCain’s plan, as do 50% of white voters.

Not surprisingly, support for McCain’s plan is highest among those in lower income groups.

should tell ya something!

763 Athos  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:05:31am

re: #708 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Where is the statement saying they'll place video cameras every 10ft?

Sshh - that's best left unsaid.

764 HoosierHoops  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:05:46am

re: #722 realwest

Hey Hoops - yeah, I had forgotten about Jesse (The I used to have a Body) Ventura.
Sometimes I think living in Minnesota must be a daily laugh.
Apologies to any Minnesota liazards!

I'm just upset that I went through the Airport a week before the wide stance senator did.. I wanted to take a picture of the stall. I need a new screensaver..

765 Tigger2005  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:05:55am

I don't believe gay marriage must inevitably lead to horrors like polygamy, adult/child marriage, or human/animal marriage. There's a vast difference between permitting two consenting adults of the same sex to enter into a marriage contract, and allowing an adult to enter into a marriage contract with as many people as he or she wishes, or with a child or an animal. I realize there ARE groups who want just that to happen, for marriage to be flung open to anything and everything. However, I think it's probable that the majority of gays who would like to marry think the comparison of one adult/one adult gay marriage to things like polygamy, bestiality, and pedolphilia is absurd.

Anyway, it's sometimes said that gays make up 10% of the population. I think it's more likely around 5%. Gays getting married will not increase the numbers of homosexuals, or pose any threat to the growth of our population. I guess you could worry about the effect on adopted or artificial-insemination children of living in a gay household. But there wouldn't be that many of them, and the vast majority of them would probably turn out quite well adjusted (and no more or less likely to be gay than other kids).

I actually read one person arguing that gay couples shouldn't be allowed to raise kids because of the taunting and discrimination the kids would face in school. You might as well have said back in the bad old days of segregation that blacks shouldn't be having kids because their kids might have to deal with racism growing up.

766 OldLineTexan  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:06:06am

re: #728 sattv4u2

so you would have been in FAVOR of keeping voting rights to property owning white males?

HAHAHAHAHA. So NOW A=B and B=C so A=C again?

767 ratso  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:06:07am

re: #730 tackle

I touched upon that several days ago. biometrics would solve the problem and could be done without the loss of privacy

768 JeremiahRight  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:06:59am

re: #755 sattv4u2

I understand your point. Slippery sloap and all. I just don;t see how MY marriage is affected negativley if a gay couple wants to get married

it's not an issue of how your marriage is affected. It's an issue of leftist judicial activism. Our Prop 8 will stop them cold on this issue if it passes, which frankly isn't looking too good lately

769 Irene NYC  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:07:03am

re: #728 sattv4u2

so you would have been in FAVOR of keeping voting rights to property owning white males?

Stop putting words in my mouth. I said nothing about property owning voters, male voters or any voters whatsoever. I addressed the institution of marriage.

770 jwb7605  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:07:09am

re: #756 eschew_obfuscation

This should warm you up a bit ;~)

How do you think people would respond to attempts by congress to implement the Fairness Doctrine?

About the same way they respond to same-sex marriage, with roughly the same results.

771 OldLineTexan  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:07:16am

re: #734 faraway

It wouldn't matter. People will just go straight to live Internet feeds.

Or they will have a choice to go gay.

/something for everyon

772 Buck  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:07:20am

re: #700 Typicalwhitey

That is the same thing I try to tell people. If defining marriage as between a man and a woman is discriminitory then you cannot stop at just defining it between two people (gay or straight).

It can only be ONE way or ALL ways.

I must disagree. There will always be the part where they must be consenting adults. That would leave out animals, children, and some would argue polygamy. As it can be argued that someone is being discriminated against when they are #2 in a marriage.

If gays want to marry, I have no problem with that. BUT someone has to stop Britney Spears!

773 Cap'n DOC  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:07:22am

re: #579 Ben Hur

I am sorry that I have only one Ding to give for VDH. A must read. Thanks. I hadn't made it to him yet today.

774 maddogg  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:07:37am

re: #686 scottishbuzzsaw

I turned 49 in August as well...my husband, at 51, swears the 50s are better! ;>)

I would disagree. All the abuses and damage I perpetrated on my body in my teens-30's are now coming home to roost (where did I put that Aleve?):)

775 yma o hyd  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:07:50am

re: #704 Athos

I can't see anything wrong with that ;-)

(Especially the part about playing rugby, natch!)

776 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:08:05am

re: #765 Tigger2005

You might as well have said back in the bad old days of segregation that blacks shouldn't be having kids because their kids might have to deal with racism growing up.

or more of a phenomonom recently, mixed racial couples having kids. It was very rare 30-40 years ago, but I see many now

777 lurking faith  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:08:09am

re: #584 Honorary Yooper

Say ya to da UP, eh!

Oh, wow - what a blast from the past.

But shouldn't it be: Say Ya! to da UP, eh!

778 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:08:14am

re: #749 sattv4u2

I see you were never an Algebra student.

You really are an idiot aren't you?

The transitive property of equality:

The transitive property of equality says that if a = b and b = c, then a = c.

779 realwest  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:08:14am

re: #720 Irene NYC
Um, {Irene} please see my #712 - but don't mention it to him!

780 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:08:20am

re: #751 Suzette

You know reine I wouldn't care if a black man were president.
But I don't want a Chicago thug as CiC!
/excellent post by the way! :)

ditto!
and thanks

781 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:08:38am

re: #769 Irene NYC

Stop putting words in my mouth. I said nothing about property owning voters, male voters or any voters whatsoever. I addressed the institution of marriage.

you addressed changing a definition, as did I

782 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:08:49am

re: #745 Celtic Templar

Without social discrimination, yes all forms of "marriage" are on the table. I would think the precedent had been set.

The talk of pedophilia is ridiculous. Sort of like Whoopi Goldberg asking John McCain if she needs to be worried about becoming a slave again. No sane person would approve of such a thing. The question takes things too far.

783 Strike Hornet  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:09:11am

I found this interesting from the Puma 08 site:


PUMAs don’t forget to say you are voting for Barack Obama if polled…
October 9, 2008 by PUMA Pundit
PUMAs,
If and when you get polled, remember to let the pollster know that not only do you intend to vote, but that you are strongly committed to voting for:
Barack Obama
It is extremely important we keep on doing this. Let Obama and his surrogates keep on being lulled into a false sense of security at having a lead in the national polls.
So far this strategy seems to be working, polls show Obama to be up…
Of course on election day, as PUMAs we all know that no way, no how, we shall not vote for Obama. We might write in Hillary’s name, we might vote for John McCain, heck we might even write in our own names, but to give our vote on Barack Obama is simply not something we shall do.
Rock On,
PUMA Pundit

784 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:09:19am

Rush playing the Sarahcudda parody.
good one.

785 formercorpsman  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:09:20am

re: #755 sattv4u2

I'm not being contrary here, but that is an insufficient answer.

I was one who actually came around to seeing the argument here about the whole creation debate.

I am live and let live, but after seeing the evidence presented before me, particularly how this would allow other challenges to be made to established norms, what would prevent this challenge from allowing others from riding it's coat tails?

We already have a template by the way of Europe, to show us how left leaning liberalization of society has benefited them. Multiple household immigrants getting benefits.

As I have stated before, we can't be defeated militarily. I know, I've been there.

The destruction comes from within.

786 Athos  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:09:32am

re: #727 Ward Cleaver

Mark Steyn was on with Hugh Hewitt for his usual Thursday bit, and had an interesting take on the "MSM in the tank for Obama" thing.

His thinking is that because old media is on the ropes, they're backing Obama in the hopes of getting the Fairness Doctrine reinstated, and the blogs and talk radio regulated or put out of business, so that the public will have to rely on them (old media) again.

When unable to compete in the open market....eliminate the open market. I would not be surprised that this is a possible reason - but a shared ideology is also in the forefront.

787 Cap'n DOC  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:09:41am

re: #730 tackle

Only problem with that is there are a number of states where they we allowed to register and vote in one fell swoop - called it 'casting a ballot'. If they'd have been forced to wear a black finger until November 5th that would be one thing, but lots of those folks have already done their damage.

788 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:09:45am

re: #317 soccerdad

McCain in an electoral landslide.

I do believe that the 'October surprise' will be that the media stop shielding BHO and start actually reporting on some of his radical associations and just simply doing their job. The American people 9and a few racists) will do the rest. This guy is just toooooo radical.

I believe the October surprise will be that one or more prominent Democrats will do a Joe Lieberman. People who are centrists - Scoop Jackson Democrats, and who don't have higher political ambitions than their current office, or who are retired. Hopefully they'll come out and say that BHO is simply too radical for them, not honest about his past associations, and that while they might not agree with McCain on policy, they know him to be an honest and honorable man who will not damage the country. Probably not speeches in support of McCain, but a simple announcement, as above, followed by non-speaking appearances with McCain at rallies.

789 faraway  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:10:04am

I never thought of Ayers and Dohrn as a "terrorist cult". Obama picked up on the cult part.

The article was headlined in an irony that could not have been more poignant, "No Regrets For A Love Of Explosives." The couple pictured were Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, former leaders of the 1960s’ Weather Underground, America’s first terrorist cult. One of their bombing targets, as it happened, was the Pentagon.

790 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:10:09am

re: #770 jwb7605

About the same way they respond to same-sex marriage, with roughly the same results.

I think it would be closer to the immigration bill reaction.

791 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:10:29am

re: #714 pre-Boomer Marine brat

All except for those who'd rather not yak on their honeymoons.

We'll just have to bear it.
Don't yell so much you go horse.

792 ratso  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:10:31am

plan on it, if it goes as it looks it will that will be one of the first priorities in the stinkin congress re: #756 eschew_obfuscation

793 tackle  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:10:56am

re: #767 ratso

I touched upon that several days ago. biometrics would solve the problem and could be done without the loss of privacy

Biometrics would be great, but how close are we to that? I hope we can do somemthing soon, because it's clear libs are determined to steal as many votes as they can.

794 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:11:23am
795 Irene NYC  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:11:26am

re: #781 sattv4u2

you addressed changing a definition, as did I

No, I addressed changing a particular SOCIAL INSTITUTION.

796 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:13:02am

re: #785 formercorpsman

thank you. But that slippery slope works both ways. Why not impose MORE limits on marriage? Say consenting adult couples cannot be more 50 years in age apart (costly death insurance issues), or of different races (could be ostracizing) , or of different religions (as a Judeo/ Christian nation our foundation would be impacted). I type all of those tongue in cheek, ,,,, BUT ,,,,,

797 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:14:24am

re: #795 Irene NYC

No, I addressed changing a particular SOCIAL INSTITUTION.

so when is it (if ever) proper to change a 'social institution"? Or shall they all remain static from 1776 > infinity?

798 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:15:19am

re: #635 scottishbuzzsaw

I fear you're right...it will finally assuage our guilt for America's original sin...

Not my guilt, I wasn't here, not quite that old LOL!

I really am beginning to think that's what this is all about for some folks.

They take certain things for granted - our freedoms, my gosh, our freedoms! Our wealth (relatively speaking, compared to the rest of the world), our safety & security . . . and many people just don't have a clue at all how unusual those things are, how lucky we are, and how those things don't just 'happen' all by themselves.

799 realwest  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:15:22am

re: #761 Irene NYC
Ah yes, having been from "your neck of the woods" I do truly understand!
In fact I still refer to your neck of the woods as my hometown!

800 funky chicken  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:15:32am

re: #756 eschew_obfuscation

This should warm you up a bit ;~)

How do you think people would respond to attempts by congress to implement the Fairness Doctrine?

Um, if the majority of voters just installed Obama as POTUS, I wouldn't expect the people to do much of anything. The Fairness Doctrine really ought to be enough to get conservative talk radio people to stop their almost constant criticism of John McCain, for at least 3 weeks....but a fair number of them don't get it, or don't care, or think people will take to the streets for them, or something.

For the general public? I don't think people are really going to be all that steamed that radio stations have to give 3 hours to Randi Rhodes to offset Limbaugh's time slot.

801 Dianna  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:16:11am

re: #725 Celtic Templar

It also has a definite interest in my property and income. Doesn't make me happy about it, and if I were to lobby against "gay marriage", I would, to be fair, lobby for no State marriage. My opinion, feel free to disagree.

Oh, dear.

Look, this is an argument I keep putting forward, and I do it in the same terms, each time.

The State has a great, powerful interest in stable marriages that produce children, and preserve property. Men behave better when married. They work harder, and are healthier. There's a lot of research on this; it's an embarrassment to some sociologists, who don't want it to be true. But men need responsibility. It's good for them, and it's good for society.

Children - as research keeps emphasizing - are best served by an intact, two-parent (of opposite sexes) family.

Women, even career women with no or few children, are best served by a stable marriage. Or, at worst, living in neighborhoods where they are surrounded by stable marriages, even when single parents.

Heterosexual, monogamous marriage is, like it or not, argue about it on abstract justice terms all you like, the thing that works for society in general.

I'm not violently opposed to gay marriage. I do, however, feel that gays need to make their case in terms of the social good.

802 Dianna  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:17:46am

re: #728 sattv4u2

so you would have been in FAVOR of keeping voting rights to property owning white males?

Property qualifications mean nothing in a world of withheld income tax.

803 realwest  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:18:28am

re: #774 maddogg
AMEN to that one! LOL!

804 ratso  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:18:28am

re: #787 Cap'n DOC

Only problem with that is there are a number of states where they we allowed to register and vote in one fell swoop - called it 'casting a ballot'. If they'd have been forced to wear a black finger until November 5th that would be one thing, but lots of those folks have already done their damage.


I could easily make a play out of that "black finger" thing but I'll just keep quiet here.

805 ratso  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:19:31am

re: #802 Dianna
and only taxpayers should be allowed to vote!

806 Dianna  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:19:41am

re: #760 jwb7605

I, too, contributed (heavily, for me) to the Swift Boat Vets.

It mattered.

807 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:19:48am

re: #798 reine.de.tout

Not my guilt, I wasn't here, not quite that old LOL!

Sorry, hon, I should have put the 'our original sin' in quotes...that is what some I've heard have given as the reason that BHO should be president...just this morning, in fact, from a person of faith whom I used to respect...

808 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:20:14am

re: #802 Dianna

Property qualifications mean nothing in a world of withheld income tax.

AMEN sister (not to mention FICA/ STATE/ MEdiCare/ SS

809 Dianna  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:20:49am

re: #805 ratso

and only taxpayers should be allowed to vote!

Read what Heinlein had to say about the mass democracies in Starship Troopers, the second Moral History section.

810 tackle  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:21:17am

re: #712 realwest

Hey {Irene} - listen, I should alert you to something:
sattv4u2 - is something of a contrarian (YES YOU ARE!)
but he's a good poster and he's right about our Constitutional Republic; just because a majority vote for something doesn't make it right or legal.
But what I don't get is why a Gay Civil-Union Law, basically giving Gay's the same civil liberties and rights that straights have, isn't enough?
I've always viewed "marriage" as being a more religious sorta thing - but you can get married by a city clerk, as opposed to a minister, priest or rabbi.
I think most Americans (at least those I've spoken to on the subject) think Marriage should be for hetero's only, but Gays should have the same rights of inheritance, visitation in hospitals etc, etc that they would have if they had been married by a city/civil clerk.
Just sayin..................!

Boston, that allows gay marraige, has put some churches in interesting situations. I think most support civil unions but not marraige because it may force churches to either compromise their beliefs or possibly be sued for discrimination and possibly lose their tax exempt status. From a friend:
"For example, in Boston, MA (where gay marriages are now legal,) the Catholic Charities have closed their doors because the state has
required them to allow adoptions to same sex couples, and they refused. They are a large and worthwhile charity with great power in the state and they were overruled.

A Methodist church has lost their tax exempt status because the minister refused to perform a marriage of a same sex couple (they were not of his congregation). "

811 ratso  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:21:36am

re: #809 Dianna
I think I should know that

812 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:21:50am

re: #807 scottishbuzzsaw

Sorry, hon, I should have put the 'our original sin' in quotes...that is what some I've heard have given as the reason that BHO should be president...just this morning, in fact, from a person of faith whom I used to respect...

hee-hee.
I knew what you meant.

813 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:22:13am

re: #809 Dianna

Read what Heinlein had to say about the mass democracies in Starship Troopers, the second Moral History section.

Heinlein made a lot of good points in that book.

814 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:22:51am

re: #800 funky chicken

Um, if the majority of voters just installed Obama as POTUS, I wouldn't expect the people to do much of anything. The Fairness Doctrine really ought to be enough to get conservative talk radio people to stop their almost constant criticism of John McCain, for at least 3 weeks....but a fair number of them don't get it, or don't care, or think people will take to the streets for them, or something.

For the general public? I don't think people are really going to be all that steamed that radio stations have to give 3 hours to Randi Rhodes to offset Limbaugh's time slot.

Well, I hope you're wrong......but the Fairness Doctrine would pretty much kill talk radio (no one wants to listen to liberal crap = no advertisers = no conservative talk). Stations would be forced, financially, to switch formats.

Besides, I doubt it would be considered constitutional by the SCOTUS.

815 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:22:57am

re: #807 scottishbuzzsaw

re: #798 reine.de.tout

Not my guilt, I wasn't here, not quite that old LOL!

Sorry, hon, I should have put the 'our original sin' in quotes...that is what some I've heard have given as the reason that BHO should be president...just this morning, in fact, from a person of faith whom I used to respect...

Matt. 15:8 -"people draw near unto me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. Matt.15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

816 ratso  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:22:57am

re: #813 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

oh, I was thinking hienikins, sorry

817 ratso  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:24:07am

re: #814 eschew_obfuscation
and thats why I own a bunch of sirius stock cause thats where they will have to go to remain a national force

818 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:24:48am

re: #801 Dianna

I would consider freedom a social good.
Again, my main argument comes in terms of the Constitution. Our government should not, and cannot, confer benefits and rights to one group of people without conferring them on all people.

819 formercorpsman  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:24:55am

re: #796 sattv4u2

I think if there is one thing that seems to have weathered the test of time, despite culture, or circumstance, is marriage.

Using arguments based in antiquity with regard to ownership, and rights is beyond us now.

Truthfully, the argument was touted as not being able to have visitation rights to hospitals, etc. Thins can be granted under a civil union. What is truly sought after, is a forced societal acceptance of the definition change by proxy.

I think when the split is between the rights I referenced, and acceptance of redefinition, I side with the culture to make up their own minds with what they wish to accept.

With that being said, all conditions of Constitutionality can be met under a Civil Union provision. In the end, the final push for redefinition is not about this at all.

820 realwest  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:25:13am

re: #810 tackle Hmm. I frankly hadn't thought about that, but I will do so now!
Thank you for that post.

821 funky chicken  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:25:47am

re: #814 eschew_obfuscation

The Fairness Doctrine was the law of the land until the Reagan Administration. I wouldn't expect SCOTUS to kill it.

And if supposed conservatives keep using their microphones to tear down McCain, thus helping to elect Obama, well, they made their own beds. I'm going to have much larger problems that what happens to AM radio.

822 Dianna  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:25:50am

re: #813 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Heinlein made a lot of good points in that book.

He did.

Essentially, the point I keep coming back to is the final one: When you make a man responsible for everything, he is responsible for nothing. When he votes for the desired impossible, he will receive the inevitable, disastrous possible.

823 realwest  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:26:04am

Well all y'all I gotta go eat some lunch now - hope you all have a GREAT DAY and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

824 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:26:46am

re: #823 realwest

Well all y'all I gotta go eat some lunch now - hope you all have a GREAT DAY and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

what if we're not on the same road ?

825 formercorpsman  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:27:14am

re: #801 Dianna

Furthermore, I think we can already cite in our country, the precedent of illegitimacy, and the result it yields society at large.

826 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:28:19am

re: #821 funky chicken

The Fairness Doctrine was the law of the land until the Reagan Administration. I wouldn't expect SCOTUS to kill it.

And if supposed conservatives keep using their microphones to tear down McCain, thus helping to elect Obama, well, they made their own beds. I'm going to have much larger problems that what happens to AM radio.

The Fairness Doctrine was never law. It was a policy of the FCC and AFAIK, was never challenged in court.

827 Capitalistincharge  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:30:22am

Honorary Yooper, Remember this? "God's area code is 906" I'm a displaced yooper, headed for the big city in 1991.

828 Dianna  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:30:39am

re: #818 Ford_Prefect

I would consider freedom a social good.
Again, my main argument comes in terms of the Constitution. Our government should not, and cannot, confer benefits and rights to one group of people without conferring them on all people.

Oh, dear.

Look, there are lines that have to be drawn simply for social health. If you propose to change those lines, erase them, or just move them a bit, you must absolutely lay out your case for that change. Abstract justice is a lovely thing. But social health is far more important. The case must be made by those wanting the change.

I'm sorry; I always end up feeling like some sort of bigot when I say this. But the State's interest in the institution of marriage is pretty damned fundamental, and it must be considered carefully before it gets changed.

Gays need to demonstrate that they will, indeed, use marriage to preserve property and protect children; to make society more stable.

829 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:32:43am

re: #810 tackle

That does create a difficult situation. I would say that any religious organization should have the right to oust someone from the group if they fail to live by the religious code of that organization. Therefore if the organization does not believe in same sex marriage than that leaves its gay members with the choice of not getting married or leaving the organization. Not sure that the left leaning courts would agree, however.

830 Dianna  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:33:30am

re: #825 formercorpsman

I didn't want to start into that unhappy line, but, well, yes. It's been dreadful. A perfect example of having voted for the desired impossible, and receiving the inevitable, disastrous, possible.

831 Scion9  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:34:42am

re: #782 Ford_Prefect

The talk of pedophilia is ridiculous. Sort of like Whoopi Goldberg asking John McCain if she needs to be worried about becoming a slave again. No sane person would approve of such a thing. The question takes things too far.

You are aware that the ACLU has, on several occasions argued that child pornographers would have been violating the rights of their 'actresses' by asking for identification right? That sending child pornographers to jail is a violation of Civil Liberties of the children that they abused, somehow.

No sane person would, you are right. Liberal trial lawyers who get appointed to the judiciary? No promise of sanity.

832 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:35:22am

re: #828 Dianna

Why do you assume that they won't. In my experience most homosexual people that I have know are just like you and me. Some are good people and some are not. To assume that they would somehow behave differently in their marriages than a man and a woman do is wrong IMO.

833 Dianna  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:35:45am

re: #829 Ford_Prefect

That does create a difficult situation. I would say that any religious organization should have the right to oust someone from the group if they fail to live by the religious code of that organization. Therefore if the organization does not believe in same sex marriage than that leaves its gay members with the choice of not getting married or leaving the organization. Not sure that the left leaning courts would agree, however.

The courts should butt out. They are attempting to legislate religion; this looks to me like an attempt to establish a religion.

834 JeremiahRight  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:35:51am

hey Dianna, I'm thinking you should run for CA governor. You've got my vote!

835 funky chicken  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:36:58am

re: #814 eschew_obfuscation

Let me explain my position: my husband is active duty military. He is currently "enjoying" a taxpayer-funded, extended tour of the Cradle of Civilization. These people are using their influence to help elect Barack Obama as his Commander in Chief.

So if they bring the Fairness Doctrine down upon their own heads after doing that to my husband and the rest of the US Military, well, it's the least of what they deserve.

836 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:37:22am

re: #831 Scion9

You are aware that the ACLU has, on several occasions argued that child pornographers would have been violating the rights of their 'actresses' by asking for identification right? That sending child pornographers to jail is a violation of Civil Liberties of the children that they abused, somehow.

No sane person would, you are right. Liberal trial lawyers who get appointed to the judiciary? No promise of sanity.

There will always be extremist on any side of every issue. We cannot base our laws on the fact that some people will attempt to abuse them. Simply stop the abuse.

837 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:38:31am

re: #833 Dianna

The courts should butt out. They are attempting to legislate religion; this looks to me like an attempt to establish a religion.

As I said earlier, I am very much against legislation from the bench, so on that we agree.

838 lobo91  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:38:32am

re: #765 Tigger2005

I don't believe gay marriage must inevitably lead to horrors like polygamy, adult/child marriage, or human/animal marriage. There's a vast difference between permitting two consenting adults of the same sex to enter into a marriage contract, and allowing an adult to enter into a marriage contract with as many people as he or she wishes, or with a child or an animal. I realize there ARE groups who want just that to happen, for marriage to be flung open to anything and everything. However, I think it's probable that the majority of gays who would like to marry think the comparison of one adult/one adult gay marriage to things like polygamy, bestiality, and pedolphilia is absurd.

While your argument has merit with regard to the idea of adults marrying children or animals (neither animals nor children have the ability to give infomed consent), it absolutely does not hold that polygamy could be prohibited.

If the legal basis for allowing gay marriage is that it's a voluntary arrangement between two consenting adults, I see no way to then argue that three consenting adults can't enter into the same arrangement.

Or four. Or five.

Considering some of our judges' propensity to look to foreign sources for their legal rulings, I don't think it's much of a stretch for one of them to cite the fact that men are allowed to have up to four wives in roughly a third of the world right now.

839 FrogMarch  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:38:40am

Deleted scenes: Terrorist professors.

[Link: indoctrinate-u.com...]

of the left-wing Obama supporting variety.

840 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:38:40am

re: #834 JeremiahRight

hey Dianna, I'm thinking you should run for CA governor. You've got my vote!

Or she could move to Alaska. Hopefully they'll need a new governor come January

841 Buck  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:41:36am

re: #742 Dianna

That, I fear, is where this ends up if we remove the State from Marriage.

It's messy. It always will be.

Sorry... like I have said before... consenting adults will always be the overriding law.

No children, no animals. AND polygamy, it can be argued does discriminate against all but the first wife. The idea is to reduce discrimination, not add to it.

842 AZDave  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:41:42am

re: #5 DoubleU

There is so much Obama is completely unaware or ignorant about. He is either unfit to be President or an awful liar.

Or both.

843 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:41:53am

I would like to thank everyone that participated in this argument. It is nice to know that we are not all carbon copies of one another. Sometimes I feel like we are all just preaching to the choir around here.

844 Dianna  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:42:17am

re: #832 Ford_Prefect

Why do you assume that they won't. In my experience most homosexual people that I have know are just like you and me. Some are good people and some are not. To assume that they would somehow behave differently in their marriages than a man and a woman do is wrong IMO.

You are assuming that I somehow dislike gays. This is very definitely not the case.

Many gay people - once they have grown up a bit - settle into serious relationships. But for many, many years, promiscuity was advocated and celebrated by gay advocates, marriage was denigrated, and (forgive me for mentioning it) that got thrown into the faces of many heterosexual people who never bought it for themselves. They worry, and they have a right to ask and to really be reassured, that gay people mean marriage as heterosexuals try to.

It's all too true that many heterosexuals are disasters in marriages. They betray their vows, spouses and children. They get "tired" of being married, and break their marriages for no good reason. But the ideal remains, and people do try to make it real.

845 hbwriter  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:43:30am

Obama said he thought he had been rehabilitated

Axelrod said Obama was oblivious

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Did they not catch themselves in a lie?

846 Scion9  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:43:43am

re: #810 tackle

That sounds like a violation of the 1st Amendment to me.

847 akak  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:43:56am

With us or them.

Strange things happen to those in the middle.

848 funky chicken  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:44:25am

re: #814 eschew_obfuscation

Last point on the Fairness Doctrine. If a guy like Glenn Beck can't see that an Obama presidency with wacky dem congress is a serious threat to his livelihood, why am I supposed to get up in arms? His big kick is self reliance. I wish he would perhaps extend that concept to his continuation of attacks on McCain.

849 AZDave  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:44:40am

re: #10 joncelli

Israel will go under the bus shortly after Obambi is elected. If I were the PM of Israel I'd sort out my business with Iran and Hamas as soon as possible after November 4.

With the Obamanoids, Israel is already under the bus.

850 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:44:49am

re: #844 Dianna

But the ideal remains, and people do try to make it real.

And my point is that so would homosexual people. I am sorry if what I wrote implied that you dislike gays. That was not my intention.

851 funky chicken  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:46:06am

dogs demanding their walk. see you guys tomorrow maybe.

852 AZDave  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:47:05am

re: #12 buzzsawmonkey

The Jews I know who are in the bag for Obama will refuse to listen to this in any way, shape or form.

And they will continue to believe that they are supporters of Israel.

And they will continue to believe even while they're having their number tattooed on.

853 formercorpsman  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:48:04am

re: #838 lobo91

You nailed it.

One of the supporting arguments that was utilized in favor of this subject, is "what constitutes a family"?

Anyone who thinks polygamy will not be contested the minute "gay marriage" is recognized is fooling themselves.

How can the state redefine marriage now to include same sex arrangements, but disavow multiple consenting adults?

It can't. It would then have to be in a position of playing hard and fast with morality, and tread into waters it could never navigate.

854 Colonel Panik  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:52:57am

re: #577 Kenneth

Corsi is a troofer nutjob.

He may be a troofer nutjob but he's right on about this Raila Odinga thing.

There are pictures all over the net of Obama and that Marxo-Muslim thug together.

Obama is counting on the stupidity of the average American who follows sports more than politics and on the rabidity of his leftist followers to pull a fast one on America.

It is a race for time to get people to see through his shtick.

855 JeremiahRight  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:53:32am

re: #840 sattv4u2

Or she could move to Alaska. Hopefully they'll need a new governor come January

that got me thinking, what would happen? It's complicated according to this blog I found:

IF: Both Governor Palin and Lt. Gov. Parnell end out winning their elections:

Governor Palin would take her oath of office as Vice-President on January 20 of next year. Lt. Gov. Parnell would take over as Governor, and our Attorney General, Talis Colberg, would take over as our Lt. Governor.

On January 3, Parnell would take his oath as our new member of Congress, and Talis Colberg would become Acting Governor. Acting Governor Colberg would have to call a special election to be held between 60 and 90 days from the 3rd, to elect a new governor and lieutenant governor to serve the remainder of Governor Palin’s original term.

IF: Governor Palin becomes Vice-President and Lt. Gov. Parnell does not win his election, Lt. Gov. Parnell would become Governor of Alaska on January 20th, and Colberg would become our Lt. Governor.
IF: Parnell wins and Governor Palin does not, Colberg becomes Lt. Governor on January 3. IF: neither campaign is successful, nothing changes.

856 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:56:00am