Only one poll matters.

He still hasn't hit the magic 50.

Seems both have dropped in total %?

re: #1 Sharmuta

Only one poll matters.

Damn straight.

PUMAs = 5-7 million voters
ACORN = 1.5 million registrations

Buck Ofama.

Registered voters means nothing.

Likely voters are the polls to pay attention to.

Gallop is also registered as opposed to likely.

Did the zero move at all?
He is done folks...relax.
Matter of time.
MSM does NOT want to be linked with him, what with RICO involved.
I can visualize MSM climbing out of the O's tank...LOLOL

Oh turds.

(sigh) Sure picked a bad day to stop sniffing glue.//

Rush was just commenting on that. Both numbers are dropping (compared to previous fox polls). Shows no one is happy with either candidate. Obama is going to play safe, because he's in the lead. The election is McCains for the taking if someone will light a fire under his ass.

OT:
DEMOCRATS LIED!
MY 401K DIED!

I'm so pissed off right now, I could say something that would get me banned.

What do foxes know about the election?
/polling humans would be relevant

Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby Poll:

Obama 48%, McCain 43% ...for likely voters

The next President should be a Jethro Tull fan.

More fertilizer to spread.

OT, via Drudge:
[Link: washingtontimes.com...]

Though someone probably already posted it.

re: #2 Ward Cleaver

He still hasn't hit the magic 50.

--In battleground states (CO, MI, NH, NM, FL, OH, PA, VA, WI and NV), Obama holds a more significant 52-38% lead.

re: #16 SonOfLiberty

OT, via Drudge:
[Link: washingtontimes.com...]

Though someone probably already posted it.

O sure acts like he has already been elected, doesn't he.

re: #16 SonOfLiberty

Saw that yesterday. He is acting as if he is already the President......I will give him credit for one thing, he has incredible gall.....

HE won't win.

The MSM is peaking a little early.

Has anyone polled Obama?He needs to be polled! I would like to see him polled! I would like to help poll him.

re: #17 pat

what poll are you looking at?

re: #22 loppyd

[Link: hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com...]

From the same poll:

There has also been discussion of Obama’s relationship with 1960s radical activist William Ayers — linked to bomb plots against the Pentagon and the U.S. Capitol. Almost one-third of all voters (32 percent) say they’d be less likely to vote for Obama knowing of this connection — although the vast majority (61 percent) say it will have no effect on their vote. Somewhat fewer independent voters express reduced likelihood to vote for Obama based on the Ayers information — although, at 29 percent, it is still a potential liability among this key voter group.

McCain’s relationship with Charles Keating — linked to a 1980s savings and loan scandal — results in far less disinclination (16 percent) to vote for the Arizona senator. In fact, almost 4 in 5 voters (78 percent) say the Keating connection would have no impact on their vote. Only 12 percent of independent voters are less likely to vote for McCain based on this information.

re: #21 Oldasdirt

Has anyone polled Obama?He needs to be polled! I would like to see him polled! I would like to help poll him.

LOL!

/and I never had anything to do with livestock

There's only one barometer that matters.

And it belongs to Loppy.

I wish they could pass a law banning polls in the month leading up to the election. There is so much manipulation and hype going on, this would put an end some of it.

Question for OH lizards: How heavily "democrat" is Cleveland? And is the Cleveland Leader a liberal paper?

Cleveland Paper: Obama's lying about ACORN

(via MM)

re: #21 Oldasdirt

He would not give you a straight answer, so why ask?

Big Mo is not our friend.

15% undecided

re: #14 Who Watches the Watchmen?

The next President should be a Jethro Tull fan.

IAN FOR PESIDENT!

re: #29 Desert Dog

He would not give you a straight answer, so why ask?

I doubt he would even deign to give ANY answer. He does have a way of avoiding any question that will be less than flattering to his messiahship.

For Southern California lizards; The Republican headquarters in Claremont (east L.A. county) has an abundance of yard signs, stickers, and shirts. They are in a moonbat central college town, and are delighted to get visitors. Foothill blvd east of Towne.

Acorn is dangerous

Wow much better interface... the avatars are bigger now.

One request I'd like to make before the next debate -

It doesn't help us to set conservative expectations that McCain has to render Obama unconscious (figuratively) at the end OR ELSE. Setting expectations low won't help either, but it's important to remember that a lot of things are at play right now.

I took a non-scientific poll near my domicile. 100% of likely voters indicated Obama was a lying politician* and would vote for McCain. There was 0% chance of error.

*Some of the responses were paraphrased for a family audience.

Or not.

Reposted from the prior thread, and more appropriate here:

I believe the October surprise will be that one or more prominent Democrats will do a Joe Lieberman. People who are centrists - Scoop Jackson Democrats, and who don't have higher political ambitions than their current office, or who are retired. Hopefully they'll come out and say that BHO is simply too radical for them, not honest about his past associations, and that while they might not agree with McCain on policy, they know him to be an honest and honorable man who will not damage the country. Probably not speeches in support of McCain, but a simple announcement, as above, followed by non-speaking appearances with McCain at rallies.

I will be door knocking next week with my sister for McCain.
Donated another 100 bucks today.

re: #20 Ben Hur

HE won't win.

The MSM is peaking a little early.

And they said the Titanic wouldn't sink even after it hit the iceberg.

Not being deliberately negative, but with this economy and only three weeks left, there is little the GOP can do to reverse this tide. It is not looking well, my friends. Barring some disaster, we are going to have a Blue November.

re: #29 Desert Dog

He would not give you a straight answer, so why ask?

NOT the kind of polling i had in mind.The only thing i would want him to say is OUCH!

Y'all keep it down. Maverick is sleeping.

It ain't over yet. . .

As John McEnroe used to say to the refs, "You canNOT be serious!"

And how about that crooked Ohio Election Official Greta Van Susteren interviewed last night--the woman who said she was also lawyer, former judge and officer of the court--and would do no wrong? (Except throw the election to her candidate the One).

At least someone's watching for shenanigans now.

re: #13 loppyd

Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby Poll:

Obama 48%, McCain 43% ...for likely voters

BHO has to be up by more than 5% in the polls to win the election. (Sample selection biasing, Bradley effect)

re: #45 looking closely

It ain't over yet. . .

Though the fat lady does seem to be going thru her warm up routine.

re: #40 Son of the Black Dog

Reposted from the prior thread, and more appropriate here:

I believe the October surprise will be that one or more prominent Democrats will do a Joe Lieberman. People who are centrists - Scoop Jackson Democrats, and who don't have higher political ambitions than their current office, or who are retired. Hopefully they'll come out and say that BHO is simply too radical for them, not honest about his past associations, and that while they might not agree with McCain on policy, they know him to be an honest and honorable man who will not damage the country. Probably not speeches in support of McCain, but a simple announcement, as above, followed by non-speaking appearances with McCain at rallies.

Obama is Lamont on a national scale.

Hillary should have run as an independant.

re: #45 looking closely

It ain't over yet. . .

Wormer dropped the big one, man.

The fear is that the whole country will now be on double-secret probation.

ACORN fits right in with the democrats, They ARE all nuts.

I want to know the percentage of Dems to Repubs to Indies they're polling.

If they're polling even more dems than before, then that explains the numbers.

re: #8 Wishing

Did the zero move at all?
He is done folks...relax.
Matter of time.
MSM does NOT want to be linked with him, what with RICO involved.
I can visualize MSM climbing out of the O's tank...LOLOL

As long as it comes down before January 20th. After that it'll be, "Who's ACORN?"

Maybe McCain will flip the ticket before the next debate.

re: #46 alegrias

They are still mad about 2004, thinking the Republican SoS gave the election to Bush.......now it's "payback time" in their minds

I have been doing phone banking all week for John McCain. This is what I have noticed:

I am making calls during the day, when retired folks are at home. They are overwhelmingly stating that they are supporting McCain - Palin. These are the folks that actually VOTE. The older generation is the most reliable voting block there is.

I don't reach most of the younger folks who are at work during the day. Half of them don't vote anyway.

I have trouble believing that if you ask 1000 people who are at home and answering the phone and participating in a pole what they think, that it will reflect the views of 100 million people.

Ann Coulter on FOX last night reminded some that in 2004, the polls had Kerry winning by 12-14 points. I think most polls are propaganda devices.

re: #56 mama winger

I have been doing phone banking all week for John McCain. This is what I have noticed:

I am making calls during the day, when retired folks are at home. They are overwhelmingly stating that they are supporting McCain - Palin. These are the folks that actually VOTE. The older generation is the most reliable voting block there is.

I don't reach most of the younger folks who are at work during the day. Half of them don't vote anyway.

I hope you're right, Mama.

Also - remember that this is an electoral vote, not a popular vote. Many states are well within the margin of error right now, and could be subject to all kinds of changes.

re: #1 Sharmuta

Only one poll matters.

You are on today, Sharmuta.....what she said.

And I'm no mathematician but isn't that 15% undecided?(well, in actuality probably closer to 14, but those loons don't matter)

I'm pretty much predicting that is how much of the popular vote BHO gets. maybe 48%.

re: #58 SnakeSpit

Ann Coulter on FOX last night reminded some that in 2004, the polls had Kerry winning by 12-14 points. I think most polls are propaganda devices.

There is only one poll that I trust, and that is the one on Nov 4th.

re: #57 Ben Hur

I have trouble believing that if you ask 1000 people who are at home and answering the phone and participating in a pole what they think, that it will reflect the views of 100 million people.

If some stranger asks me who I'm voting for, my usual first reaction is to tell them to piss off.

re: #57 Ben Hur

I have trouble believing that if you ask 1000 people who are at home and answering the phone and participating in a pole what they think, that it will reflect the views of 100 million people.

Conservatives are out working.

If they are polling the ACORN voters, then yeah, the results are skewed.
(1st time I used that word, skewed)

re: #21 Oldasdirt

Has anyone polled Obama?He needs to be polled! I would like to see him polled! I would like to help poll him.

You mean like in the 'old days' when the snake oil salesman would get tarred and feathered then run out of town on a pole (or fence rail)?

re: #47 Son of the Black Dog

BHO has to be up by more than 5% in the polls to win the election. (Sample selection biasing, Bradley effect)

Indeed.

Eight years and one month ago, CNN described Bush 42% - Gore 49%(!) as a "statistical tie", but now because Obama is ahead by a few points, the sky is falling?

It ain't necessarily so.
Absolutely its still possible for McCain to come out ahead here.

re: #63 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If some stranger asks me who I'm voting for, my usual first reaction is to tell them to piss off.

I alway give my stock answer.

"I do not participate in polls. Thank you."

And if I'm polled coming out of the booth, I'll say the same thing.

I think they are doing a little poll dancing.

One of the questions that is asked on the McCain campaign phone survey is:

Is your support for the candidate

strong
weak
average

Almost all people say STRONG. One little old lady yesterday told me EXTRA EXTRA Strong.

Don't listen to the doom and gloomers. That's what they want.

Defeat is the story line that they want advanced. Do not play into it.

re: #62 FurryOldGuyJeans

You sure those weren't the exit polls she was talking about?

re: #66 gonecamping

You mean like in the 'old days' when the snake oil salesman would get tarred and feathered then run out of town on a pole (or fence rail)?

ACCURSED MOUNTEBANK!

re: #46 alegrias

That was Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Breuhner. She's currently under investigation for voter fraud.

I'm all for brass poles though.

re: #69 faraway

I think they are doing a little poll dancing.

You beat me to the reference!

re: #64 faraway

Exactly, they call during the day when only the welfare recipients are home. OR they only call those registered as DEM or independant.

re: #57 Ben Hur

I have trouble believing that if you ask 1000 people who are at home and answering the phone and participating in a pole what they think, that it will reflect the views of 100 million people.

Depends which kind of pole you sample.

McCain is in Minnesota today, and I heard he's going back to Michigan.

This tells me his internal numbers show it's safe to leave the supposed battleground states and hit some leaners, because if his internals showed otherwise, there is no way in hell he'd waste time in the blue states. I just don't think he's that dumb.

re: #71 calcajun

You sure those weren't the exit polls she was talking about?

I still say only ONE poll matters, and it ain't exit polls either.

re: #68 Ben Hur

I alway give my stock answer.

"I do not participate in polls. Thank you."

And if I'm polled coming out of the booth, I'll say the same thing.

I find most people are happy to answer my poll. About 8 of 10, I would say.

I'm happy to see so much confidence in McCain because lately I've been approaching panic attacks at the thought that the Zero is about to win this thing. Doubly so because he is stepping into a virtual power vacuum like few Presidents in history. People are so desperate for any kind of leadership that there is danger for real and permanent damage from this snake-charming neophyte.

I didn't discover LGF until after GWB's re-election ... and incidentally I voted for Kerry, for some weird reason. A question for Lizards who were here before that, did Charles post all these discouraging poll numbers then?

re: #66 gonecamping

You mean like in the 'old days' when the snake oil salesman would get tarred and feathered then run out of town on a pole (or fence rail)?

I was thinking school yard days,,when a person was grabbed by the legs,and run into a poll..That might just have been a Texas thing.

Pffft. Whatever...

re: #46 alegrias

As John McEnroe used to say to the refs, "You canNOT be serious!"

And how about that crooked Ohio Election Official Greta Van Susteren interviewed last night--the woman who said she was also lawyer, former judge and officer of the court--and would do no wrong? (Except throw the election to her candidate the One).

At least someone's watching for shenanigans now.

I saw that and it really pissed me off. I think she was the AG and she is basically stonewalling the local election officials from using a database that would spot fraudulent voters. Her excuse was the program wasn't ready yet, and they have had the program since 2000! What a sack of shit lying judge. If she is able to stonewall into next week then they open the absentee ballots and every one has to be counted even if they are truly fraudulent.

re: #63 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If some stranger asks me who I'm voting for, my usual first reaction is to tell them to piss off.

That's what I did when I was push polled in 2000. (nicer language, tho)

re: #42 calcajun

And they said the Titanic wouldn't sink even after it hit the iceberg.

Not being deliberately negative, but with this economy and only three weeks left, there is little the GOP can do to reverse this tide. It is not looking well, my friends. Barring some disaster, we are going to have a Blue November.

They also said the Titanic was unsinkable. All it took was a glancing blow from an iceberg to take it to the bottom of the North Atlantic.

re: #59 Ward Cleaver

I hope you're right, Mama.

I'm always right.

:) *wink*

re: #80 mama winger

I find most people are happy to answer my poll. About 8 of 10, I would say.

Well, if you called and said it was you, then maybe.

re: #77 looking closely

Depends which kind of pole you sample.

There appeared to be some undecided voters there.

re: #76 gonecamping

Exactly, they call during the day when only the welfare recipients are home. OR they only call those registered as DEM or independant.

Yes, but countering that, most young people are cell-phone only and they're not being polled at all (from what I've read). And a lot of them are serious Obamabots. They may well turn out to vote in heavier-than-normal numbers. Ditto for the African-American vote.

re: #77 looking closely

those are all girl watching the dancer...what club is that!

re: #78 Sharmuta

McCain is in Minnesota today, and I heard he's going back to Michigan.

This tells me his internal numbers show it's safe to leave the supposed battleground states and hit some leaners, because if his internals showed otherwise, there is no way in hell he'd waste time in the blue states. I just don't think he's that dumb.

I sure hope you are right and I wish I could share your faith in the campaign... I am doing everything I can from here in NY to get John McCain elected...

In this (non-dancing) poll Bush didn't come out with a clear lead over Gore until the END of OCTOBER.

[Link: www.tipponline.com...]

IIRC, even exit polls had Gore ahead, and he lost.

re: #82 Tigger2005

I didn't discover LGF until after GWB's re-election ... and incidentally I voted for Kerry, for some weird reason. A question for Lizards who were here before that, did Charles post all these discouraging poll numbers then?

Dogpile on the rabbit!
Dogpile on the rabbit!

It ain't over till its over. A few more innings left and anything could happen.

Obama will lose votes if it looks like he is a sure winner. Americans love underdogs and a good fight.

re: #94 buzzsawmonkey

"Inconceivable!"

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means!

re: #90 Ben Hur

Well, if you called and said it was you, then maybe.

:)

Let every poll in the world show The Messiah ahead.

Tells us we need to get to the polls.

Tells the Obamanuts that they don't allneed to get to the polls.

"Obama has it sewn up. No need to even get out of bed today."

"registered voters" is the key phrase

Likely voters mean a bit more . . . and then it matters which poll you look at.

OMG, who am I kidding? NONE of this makes sense.

Every time I hear about one of these polls it makes me weep for the future of our nation and the world. Obama is a far-left crypto-marxist america-hating radical. Someone like this should not have a snowball's chance in hell of being elected dog catcher, let alone become the leader of the free world.

What does it say about the health of our nation and its culture that someone like him is even a contender?

Obama's candidacy is a symptom of a much deeper and far more dangerous malignancy within our nation. Even if he loses this round, he or someone just like him will be there next time. He is where he is because of the people who back him. They are the true problem.

The ascendancy of the far left within the democratic party didn't happen overnight. This is a problem that has been brewing and festering for many, many years now. All the while most of us sort of stood there, puzzled and more than a little disturbed by what we saw, but we did nothing to stop it.

Leftists have to be met head on. Their efforts to destroy our nation must be repelled. Their lies must be refuted. The louder they scream and yell and whine and threaten, the more persistent we must be. We all have a duty to protect and defend our nation from all enemies, foreign and domestic. If we do not fight back, our nation will be lost, and the last best hope for mankind will fail.

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

Are there any Minnesota lizards in here today? Is your state really going to elect Al Franken? That is insane. There are few people on earth I despise more than BHO, Al Franken is one of them.

re: #78 Sharmuta

Uh, W. spent a lot of money in CA four years ago for some god-forsaken reason.

Unless someone slips Barry a pill that will make him sound either like Steve Urkel or Huggy Bear, he's going to go 3 for 3 in style in the debates--and that will count for a lot--making people comfortable with him as POTUS.

I do so hope I am wrong.

OT:

New candidate vying for a Darwin Award: Iran appoints successor to Mughniyeh

re: #94 buzzsawmonkey

"Inconceivable!"

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

re: #58 SnakeSpit

Ann Coulter on FOX last night reminded some that in 2004, the polls had Kerry winning by 12-14 points. I think most polls are propaganda devices.

I actually looked that up and it is not true. All through October, Bush was leading in many polls by 2 or 3 and neither candidate was ahead in any of the polls tracked by Real Clear Politics by more than 4 or 5.

Coulter is lying, or more likely cherry picking some poll.
Link-----> Bush vs. kerry in 2004

re: #77 looking closely

Depends which kind of pole you sample.

does anyone else think that dancer is too skinny?

I"m optimistic by nature, but there's just so many problems with this world and our country, that a half empty glass of water keeps flickering into my brain.

The list is endless.. government corruption, broken schools, a sick culture owned by the Left, evil lurking on every street corner, a country deep in debt, a future of even deeper debt and government bankruptcy, a pathology that raising taxes somehow solves problems, an envious world out to knock down the last, best hope for stability, a generation of slackers seperated from the idea that hard, honest work is the way foward, contempt for marriage as the best and healthiest organizing principle, a middle class working harder and harder to keep up w/ ever rising debt and 500 dollar heating bills, a culture focused on ill-considered priorities such as global warming over real concerns, a race-obsessed culture, an entitlement culture, .. the list is endless.

re: #28 Intrepid

Question for OH lizards: How heavily "democrat" is Cleveland? And is the Cleveland Leader a liberal paper?

Cleveland Paper: Obama's lying about ACORN

(via MM)

Cleveland, like most big cities, is pretty heavily Democratic. It doesn't appear that The Cleveland Leaders is a paper at all. I think it's just a web site. Here's a notice that I found on the site.

Advertise with the Cleveland Leader!
While other sites claim to be Cleveland's #1 blog, we are the real deal, reaching hundreds of thousands of visitors each month. And at just a little over one year old, Cleveland Leader's potential for growth is exponential. Still not convinced? Then check out the chart below which compares Cleveland Leader to Cleveland's other "big" blogs.

re: #104 Desert Dog

Are there any Minnesota lizards in here today? Is your state really going to elect Al Franken? That is insane. There are few people on earth I despise more than BHO, Al Franken is one of them.

And Franken isn't even funny.

re: #92 Irene NYC

Yes, but countering that, most young people are cell-phone only and they're not being polled at all (from what I've read). And a lot of them are serious Obamabots. They may well turn out to vote in heavier-than-normal numbers. Ditto for the African-American vote.

This is what scares me... I think this year, of all years, the 'youth' are going to come out and the rable rousers are going to do everything they can to get the maximum number of African American voters from swing states to the polls...

re: #88 Honorary Yooper

They also said the Titanic was unsinkable. All it took was a glancing blow from an iceberg to take it to the bottom of the North Atlantic.

I saw a recent documentary that the damage to the Titanic was more extensive than just the accepted glancing blow to her starboard side; a substantial portion of her double bottom was cracked/chipped/scraped off with the encounter to the iceberg. Remember the accepted wisdom from the sinking on until 1985 was the ship went down intact until Dr. Ballard actually found her.

re: #109 bellamags

does anyone else think that dancer is too skinny?

Yes. And why is she dancing in front of a bunch of women?

re: #88 Honorary Yooper

They also said the Titanic was unsinkable. All it took was a glancing blow from an iceberg to take it to the bottom of the North Atlantic.

Like I said, barring some disaster (assumingthe polling data is accurate and honest), team Obama is going to take it all in 3 weeks time.

re: #113 tfc3rid

This is what scares me... I think this year, of all years, the 'youth' are going to come out and the rable rousers are going to do everything they can to get the maximum number of African American voters from swing states to the polls...

Agreed. And the cockiness will be breathtaking...and scary.

re: #14 Who Watches the Watchmen?

The next President should be a Jethro Tull fan.

I'll bite -

Because 'Nothing is Easy' or to "Skate away on Thin Ice"?

If you don't like the polls, go out and help change them.

Get off your butt and call your Republican HQ TODAY and tell them that you will be happy to help. Just call. They will get you started.

Blogging only goes so far

just sayin '

re: #70 mama winger

One of the questions that is asked on the McCain campaign phone survey is:

Is your support for the candidate

strong
weak
average

Almost all people say STRONG. One little old lady yesterday told me EXTRA EXTRA Strong.

Don't listen to the doom and gloomers. That's what they want.

Defeat is the story line that they want advanced. Do not play into it.

I think you are right. I think McCain has more support than "the polls" indicate. And it's strong support, meaning these are people more likely to vote.

Actually, if Obama's fans think he's shoo-in . . . not a bad thing, in my book!

re: #116 calcajun

Like I said, barring some disaster (assumingthe polling data is accurate and honest), team Obama is going to take it all in 3 weeks time.

ACORN is the tip of an iceberg.

Unfortunately, the polls that matter are the state ones, and in swing states like Ohio, Virginia and Florida, they are not looking good for McCain. That being said, there's plenty of manipulation and push polling going on. RealClearPolitics avg. for Virginia included a poll that had Obama up by 12 (!) I think that moved the needle a little bit.

Its all about turnout, folks. Not polls.

The bottom line is that Palin will drive a lot of Republicans who might not otherwise vote to the polls to pull the lever for McCain. Democrats lead in registrations, but as we've seen, many of these are phantom ACORN duplicates.

The media is banking on a huge youth vote and "new Democrat" vote, and their polling is adding Democrats to the sampling because of it. Its like saying you're a millionaire because you're holding a lottery ticket.

Polls are good for one thing - measuring degrees of ignorance on any given day. Enough already.

re: #42 calcajun

Bad Attitude.

re: #116 calcajun

I disagree. The ACORN stuff is getting leggy.

re: #87 Son of the Black Dog

That's what I did when I was push polled in 2000. (nicer language, tho)

I had some suspiciously MoveOn.org-looking kid with a clipboard approach me at a street corner:

Her: "Sir, who are you voting for?"
Me: "Are you serious?"
Her: "Would you like to register to vote?"
Me: "Sure!" And I signed (I was already registered, but she didn't know that)
Her: "Thank you, sir!"
Me: "No problem, and by the way, I'm voting for McCain."

Her face registered the appropriate pain. Liberals can be so puppy-like.

re: #115 cblesz

probably in another country. for some reason it looked foreign to me. I would only watch a stripper if I had a hot date with me who was enjoying himself.

re: #108 soccerdad

I actually looked that up and it is not true. All through October, Bush was leading in many polls by 2 or 3 and neither candidate was ahead in any of the polls tracked by Real Clear Politics by more than 4 or 5.

Coulter is lying, or more likely cherry picking some poll.
Link-----> Bush vs. kerry in 2004

Bush started to track ahead in the polls right in the few weeks before the election. . .we're not there yet with Obama /McCain.

But I don't remember *ANY* polls yielding the near-exact 50-50 split that we saw with *actual votes cast*.

I think the takeaway message is that the polls are simply unreliable, and I would tend to think they are MORE unreliable now than they were 8 years ago, and not the converse, because emotions are running much higher.

Interesting moonbat Rush has on now. A "Republican" for Obama.

re: #116 calcajun

Like I said, barring some disaster (assumingthe polling data is accurate and honest), team Obama is going to take it all in 3 weeks time.

You are so dreadfully wrong..

re: #117 Irene NYC

Agreed. And the cockiness will be breathtaking...and scary.

But then again, maybe we just feel this way because we are in such a starkly blue place...

re: #92 Irene NYC

Yes, but countering that, most young people are cell-phone only and they're not being polled at all (from what I've read). And a lot of them are serious Obamabots. They may well turn out to vote in heavier-than-normal numbers. Ditto for the African-American vote.

The Youth vote is such a canard. I have heard about how the young are going to turn out in droves in each election, and every time the proposed revolution more than fizzles. I ain't holding my breath for all the prophesies of heavier-than-normal turnouts.

The news reports I saw yesterday characterized the voters in Wisconsin (I think it was Milwaukee) as "very angry." One voter asked McCain to make sure the people responsible for this financial mess would be named and brought to justice. Here's one place he could start:

AIG Executives Blow $440,000 After Getting Bailout

re: #23 pat

[Link: hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com...]

I think it's an outlier and it's a very small sample.

re: #104 Desert Dog

Are there any Minnesota lizards in here today? Is your state really going to elect Al Franken? That is insane. There are few people on earth I despise more than BHO, Al Franken is one of them.

Hear Hear. Electing Jesse Ventura was one thing--at least you kept him at home and out of the national spotlight. Do you really want to send Stuart Smalley to DC? You only hope is that he would not get any committee assignements.

re: #121 Honorary Yooper

ACORN is the tip of an iceberg.

And Leo DiCaprio is "on board" with Obama. Coincidence?

re: #93 Desert Dog

The Pole Home for Girls.

Folks, when even the New York Times is covering Obama's campaign finance fraud, things are getting serious.

Fictitious Donors Found in Obama Finance Records

I have no doubt Obama will be an utter disaster for business and economic growth/recovery in this country, and the markets are reacting to that fact without a doubt.

re: #92 Irene NYC

Yes, but countering that, most young people are cell-phone only and they're not being polled at all (from what I've read). And a lot of them are serious Obamabots. They may well turn out to vote in heavier-than-normal numbers. Ditto for the African-American vote.

Damn. You're right.

re: #73 BenZ's Bat

That was Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Breuhner. She's currently under investigation for voter fraud.

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Thank you Ben. Yes, that was her name. That election official looked straight into the camera and promised to uphold the election laws, er, uh, whatever the meaning of is, is...

So at least we know her standard of jurisprudence and respect for America's laws, given that she was probably a Clinton appointee like DC Judge Ricardo Urbina who wants the detained GITMO Chinese moslem Uighurs released INTO the USA to teach Pres. Bush a lesson!

re: #108 soccerdad

Thanks for posting that. I didn't remember Kerry leading in the polls either but I never bothered to fact check it. I think that's become an urban myth.

Everyone, please note this about the RCP poll average. Obama has a high average because of three polls: Gallup, Hotline, and GW. Hotline and GW both had him down to 1-point and 3-point leads earlier this week; I don't buy their 5-7 point jumps in a few days. And the average is really skewed by Gallup's 11%. That's registered voters, not likely voters.

On the whole, the RCP average annoys the heck out of me. They average every single poll without judging methodology or whether they're comparable in number polled or dates polled on. They should average the five daily polls (Rasmussen, Gallup, Hotline, GW, and now Reuters/Zogby) and leave it at that.

re: #136 Occasional Reader

And Leo DiCaprio is "on board" with Obama. Coincidence?

ROFL!

or aqualung right?re: #14 Who Watches the Watchmen?

The next President should be a Jethro Tull fan.

re: #138 doppelganglander

wow, that is from the NEW YORK TIMES!

re: #124 Cap'n DOC

Bad Attitude.

I know. It's not noon and I haven't started drinking my lunch. Given me time--I'll cheer up.

re: #113 tfc3rid

This is what scares me... I think this year, of all years, the 'youth' are going to come out...

That's what Kerry said in 2004.

re: #133 twincitiesgirl

The news reports I saw yesterday characterized the voters in Wisconsin (I think it was Milwaukee) as "very angry."

McCain needs to hammer this every day.

"The media thinks you people are angry"

re: #54 faraway

Maybe McCain will flip the ticket before the next debate.

Is there a Pinch Hitter rule in presidential debates?

re: #101 Noam Sayin'

Let every poll in the world show The Messiah ahead.

Tells us we need to get to the polls.

Tells the Obamanuts that they don't allneed to get to the polls.

"Everyone stay in your (mom's) basements."

Obama - McCain is like the tortoise and the hare.

The race ain't over yet. . .
Just make sure to get out and vote.

re: #108 soccerdad

I actually looked that up and it is not true. All through October, Bush was leading in many polls by 2 or 3 and neither candidate was ahead in any of the polls tracked by Real Clear Politics by more than 4 or 5.

Coulter is lying, or more likely cherry picking some poll.
Link-----> Bush vs. kerry in 2004

Thank you for pointing this out. I've said it about five times, but the urge to dismiss the current poll results is apparently so strong that people are reinventing the past. Someone should give Anne Coulter this news. Here, by the way, is the graphic version of the results you linked to, which makes the real pattern of 2004 results very easy to see.

re: #151 DeafDog

Is there a Pinch Hitter rule in presidential debates?

GO RED SOX!

re: #47 Son of the Black Dog

BHO has to be up by more than 5% in the polls to win the election. (Sample selection biasing, Bradley effect)

I agree.

I factor 4% for bias and 3% for disgruntled Hilary voters.

That makes 7% and that's not fuzzy math.

re: #103 leereyno

What does it say about the health of our nation and its culture that someone like him is even a contender?

Most are so sick with BDS that they will cut their nose off to spite their face.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

And over lunch, I just had someone gushingly tell me that she's going to vote for Obama, "because he's black."

And then went on to say, she doesn't believe in race, and Obama's election will be a victory over racism.

We DO live in the Bizarro Universe. We really do.

re: #138 doppelganglander

Folks, when even the New York Times is covering Obama's campaign finance fraud, things are getting serious.

Fictitious Donors Found in Obama Finance Records

It's getting so thick that they can't ignore this. We might even start seeing more of this- that is, if any media outlets want to save what little credibility they have left....

^{/maybe it's rats fleeing the ship}

re: #78 Sharmuta

McCain is in Minnesota today, and I heard he's going back to Michigan.

This tells me his internal numbers show it's safe to leave the supposed battleground states and hit some leaners, because if his internals showed otherwise, there is no way in hell he'd waste time in the blue states. I just don't think he's that dumb.

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McCain people bragged they won Michigan's presidential primary in the year 2000 with two college kids and a laptop.

Wish it were so this time around. Romney's not able to make it happen for McCain in his old state? Palin and her Union-member husband ought to be bottled lightning in Michigan and among hockey playing people!

15% undecided...looks like an opportunity that could make the difference.

re: #128 looking closely

Bush started to track ahead in the polls right in the few weeks before the election. . .

Not true. Look at the link. You have to go back to July to see Kerry in the lead (only by a few points in most polls).

re: #52 Sharmuta

I want to know the percentage of Dems to Repubs to Indies they're polling.

If they're polling even more dems than before, then that explains the numbers.

And as long as the PUMAs are all saying in the polls that they are voting for B0, but are by heck not going to do so ...

re: #138 doppelganglander

Folks, when even the New York Times is covering Obama's campaign finance fraud, things are getting serious.

Fictitious Donors Found in Obama Finance Records

"I.P. Freely"?

re: #125 Sharmuta

Let's hope it starts running real soon.

re: #149 arethusa

That's what Kerry said in 2004.

Yeah but John Kerry was not an eloquent black man with a youthful appearance...

re: #108 soccerdad

I favorited that link for future use. Thanks again.

re: #138 doppelganglander

Folks, when even the New York Times is covering Obama's campaign finance fraud, things are getting serious.

Fictitious Donors Found in Obama Finance Records

It's about time!

re: #138 doppelganglander

Folks, when even the New York Times is covering Obama's campaign finance fraud, things are getting serious.

Fictitious Donors Found in Obama Finance Records

Heywood Jablome could not be reached for comment.

ACORN POLL

Obama 62%
McCain 43%

re: #110 Captkirk35

Wow, I really didn't need to read that post at this point in time. You going to be all right there?

Time to roll out Rev Wright from the clown car of Obama's past associates?

clippings from a FoxNews article of results from a recent telphone poll:
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Obama’s relationship with his former pastor Jeremiah Wright:
a majority of voters (54 percent) do not believe Obama’s contention that — despite attending services for 20 years — he never heard Rev. Wright make any anti-American comments. Slightly more independent voters (55 percent) don’t believe Obama on this score.

Obama’s relationship with 1960s radical activist William Ayers:
Almost one-third of all voters (32 percent) say they’d be less likely to vote for Obama knowing of this connection — although the vast majority (61 percent) say it will have no effect on their vote

(emphasis mine)

And lastly, a disheartening comment from the article:

There is some degree of consensus on the issues of honesty and trustworthiness. Identical percentages of voters (60 percent) feel both candidates share that character attribute

.
Do people not know what the terms honesty and trustworthiness encompass?

re: #172 Eowyn2

ACORN POLL

Obama 62%
McCain 43%

Those numbers work...lol

re: #138 doppelganglander

Folks, when even the New York Times is covering Obama's campaign finance fraud, things are getting serious.

Fictitious Donors Found in Obama Finance Records

It's a little bit o' Cover Your Ass by the NYTIMES.

There have been reports about that shit for over a month. (Atlas, for starters -aaarrrrggghhhh)

I guess they feel they have to say something - pre-emptive whitewash- before it starts to really get out.

re: #158 Occasional Reader

And over lunch, I just had someone gushingly tell me that she's going to vote for Obama, "because he's black."

And then went on to say, she doesn't believe in race, and Obama's election will be a victory over racism.

We DO live in the Bizarro Universe. We really do.

That's ok I had people at lunch tell me they are voting for Obama because he's different and that Sarah Palin has no experience and is dumb.

re: #28 Intrepid

Question for OH lizards: How heavily "democrat" is Cleveland? And is the Cleveland Leader a liberal paper?

Cleveland Paper: Obama's lying about ACORN

(via MM)

Come on! Is there enough room left under the Bus for ACORN?
He need a bigger bus!

re: #163 yma o hyd

I read a PUMA site where one said s/he'd been polled quite a bit because s/he's in a.... diverse neighborhood. That was her/his theory anyways.

So, not only would I like the percentages of the voter affiliations, I'd like to know just where exactly are they calling?

Obama polled much, much better than the results in the Democratic primaries.

re: #154 JustMyView

You can see the "Swiftboat Effect" in that graph.....zing! We need the current polling graphic to start resembling that one.......

Why are these people getting involved in the US presidential campaign?

Dutch Youth Socialists traveling to US to campaign for Obama

re: #164 ploome hineni

..if McCain doesn;t start fighting now

he deserves to be excoriated

I beg to differ. I think he is fighting. Just because it's not all fire and brimstone doesn't mean that he isn't. Fire and brimstone tend to turn off a lot of people.

re: #171 Occasional Reader

Heywood Jablome could not be reached for comment.

What about Derty West? Nothing from him either?

re: #172 Eowyn2

ACORN POLL

Obama 62%
McCain 43%

And that's not counting the absentee ballots!

re: #172 Eowyn2

ACORN POLL

Obama 62105%
McCain 43%

Fuzzy math.

re: #177 tfc3rid

4 out of our last 5 Presidents were Governors.

re: #138 doppelganglander

Folks, when even the New York Times is covering Obama's campaign finance fraud, things are getting serious.

Fictitious Donors Found in Obama Finance Records

If there is one thing the press seem to love, it's tearing down the people that they built up. I wonder, has the feeding frenzy started?

What a nightmare. Obama is a very real threat to the things that make the USA great. We ARE an exceptional country and we NEED to preserve our sovereignty and we SHOULD be loyal to our principals and our allies... Not just a bunch of decedent narcissists who elect the next cool fad. We stand for something, or at least we should. Obama wants to "change" that in a way that deliberately threatens our core principals that have gotten the USA through much worse then a stock market crash.

Bankrupt, appeasing, pandering, broken, prideless, cowardly, ignorant and falling behind. "Just another country". That is the mess that he will leave.

re: #144 arethusa

Everyone, please note this about the RCP poll average. Obama has a high average because of three polls: Gallup, Hotline, and GW. Hotline and GW both had him down to 1-point and 3-point leads earlier this week; I don't buy their 5-7 point jumps in a few days. And the average is really skewed by Gallup's 11%. That's registered voters, not likely voters.

On the whole, the RCP average annoys the heck out of me. They average every single poll without judging methodology or whether they're comparable in number polled or dates polled on. They should average the five daily polls (Rasmussen, Gallup, Hotline, GW, and now Reuters/Zogby) and leave it at that.

You might be interested in taking a look at FiveThirtyEight.com or Pollster.com, both of which aggregate poll results using different criteria and methods. They are both run by very sophisticated statisticians who are straightforward about their techniques. The proprietor of FiveThirtyEight.com is pro-Obama, but he is a straight shooter datawise. Before getting involved in politics, he was a baseball statistician. Not sure, but that may still be his day job.

re: #183 reine.de.tout

Why are these people getting involved in the US presidential campaign?

Dutch Youth Socialists traveling to US to campaign for Obama

Because he is a socialist and they want America to be the same as them...

re: #129 Honorary Yooper

Heard that exchange, sounds like a 'fake' republican Dublican/ Deblican/ Demlikan?

If indeed those bumper stickers are out there, sounds like pysops (sp?) by the Obama camp.

I have talked to NO republicans voting for Obama, but have spoken to many Dems voting for McCain.

re: #183 reine.de.tout

Why are these people getting involved in the US presidential campaign?

Dutch Youth Socialists traveling to US to campaign for Obama

Because they're supporting a fellow socialist?

re: #82 Tigger2005

I didn't discover LGF until after GWB's re-election ... and incidentally I voted for Kerry, for some weird reason. A question for Lizards who were here before that, did Charles post all these discouraging poll numbers then?

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Tigger,
Don't feel bad, McCain's own daughter Meghan bragged she voted for Kerry in 2004. I imagine she's shellshocked at how Kerry turned on McCain, how all democrats turned on their "good friend" and favorite Republican, John McCain.

Yes, it was a nail-biter in 2004, and Kerry wasn't even "loved" by the media the way the media loves the One.

re: #153 looking closely

Already did. Just once, BTW...

re: #79 FurryOldGuyJeans

Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything.

Josef Stalin

re: #181 cblesz

Obama polled much, much better than the results in the Democratic primaries.

The PUMAs have pointed out that 0bama was ahead in all the states Hillary won.

re: #188 faraway

4 out of our last 5 Presidents were Governors.

Exactly and we are missing that dynamic now...

And 100% of the anti-American elements and terrorists (including local ones like Wright & Ayers) will tell you that they prefer Obama over McCain....

Btw, see this:

The polls, in our opinon, are wrong, and the internal numbers we see coming out of NC, VA, PA, OH, IN and FL show McCain wins in all of those states.

Hat-tip: Sharmuta

re: #158 Occasional Reader

And over lunch, I just had someone gushingly tell me that she's going to vote for Obama, "because he's black."

And then went on to say, she doesn't believe in race, and Obama's election will be a victory over racism.

We DO live in the Bizarro Universe. We really do.

I had a discussion with someone who held a similar view. I said, "If I disagreed with Obama, but voted for him so as not to be a "racist," then THAT would indeed be racist."

Her brain broke trying to get itself around that logic.

re: #189 CyanSnowHawk

If there is one thing the press seem to love, it's tearing down the people that they built up. I wonder, has the feeding frenzy started?

RICO fears
gosh, I am loving this!

and Jimmy Carter keeps running his mouth
bashing a sitting President
when it had never before been done

fuck Carter
on the other hand
fuck Bush for not standing up for himself

McCain better take heed
Bush polls low partly because people like me are angry at him for letting the Nazicrats buttfuck him so often
like Arnold in California with the nazicrat legislature

Last night, Hannity showed an informal talk he had with McCain (on the plane) and earlier, an informal talk with McCain and Palin together.

What the F*CK did McCain think he was doing when he said that the most important thing while they were campaigning was TO HAVE FUN? "I told Sarah before the debate to have FUN." And he said it THREE times (that I saw).

Is he so TONE DEAF?

Made me mad. And I betcha you couldn't tell.
;)

re: #171 Occasional Reader

Heywood Jablome could not be reached for comment.

This guy can't understand why they don't beleive he registered.

re: #183 reine.de.tout

Why are these people getting involved in the US presidential campaign?

Dutch Youth Socialists traveling to US to campaign for Obama

I think it's a wonderful idea, personally. I fully encourage the Obama campaign to give a very, very high profile to European socialists who are supporting him.

re: #181 cblesz

Obama polled much, much better than the results in the Democratic primaries.

Do you have a citation for that? The polls were off in the NH primary, but I don't think that was generally true.

re: #189 CyanSnowHawk

If there is one thing the press seem to love, it's tearing down the people that they built up. I wonder, has the feeding frenzy started?

Exactly! It's the "We made you and we can break you" mentality.

re: #173 turn

Sorry for the bleakness on a friday. I'll be fine, as I awoke from a dream foretelling this day over a year ago, sold my home, and moved most of my assets to fixed vehicles. However, I don't see the getting any better for a long, long time.. we're talking years. The will simply doesn't yet exist to start healing. A few more years of sliding downward will hopefully start to turn it back in the right direction, but there's going to be a high body count along the way.

re: #183 reine.de.tout

Why are these people getting involved in the US presidential campaign?

Dutch Youth Socialists traveling to US to campaign for Obama

Hey, if they hook up with ACORN, they can VOTE too!

re: #154 JustMyView

Why did the Democrats believe that Kerry was cheated out of the election?

re: #181 cblesz

Obama polled much, much better than the results in the Democratic primaries.

Yep. And when he lost MA Chrissy Matthews called us all racists.

"Boston?" Matthews replied. "Boston?" He added, "There's different kinds of prejudice in the North than there is in the South, but it exists. It may not be 'I think I'm better than you,' but it might be 'I don't want to live next door to you.'"

Right now we need boots on the ground.

We have been fighting an air war so far with blogs and information-sharing and uncovering stories about Obama and his friends. That is the Air(wave) War.

RIGHT NOW WE NEED BOOTS ON THE GROUND! We need foot soldiers. We need workers. WE need door-to-door getting the word out to your neighbors. We need people to pass out yard signs and bumper stickers. We need people to make thousands of phone calls. We NEED YOU NOW !

Come on people - please join me . BOOTS ON THE GROUND!

re: #135 calcajun

I'm from Minnesota and it has a long history as a progressive state. Although I left before "the body" was elected it does not surprise me that Al Franken is running for the seat that once belonged to Paul Wellstone. Minnesota is also the state that elected Keith Ellison in 2006 as the first Muslim in the US Congress from the 5th congressional district of Minnesota.

re: #191 JustMyView

You might be interested in taking a look at FiveThirtyEight.com or Pollster.com, both of which aggregate poll results using different criteria and methods. They are both run by very sophisticated statisticians who are straightforward about their techniques. The proprietor of FiveThirtyEight.com is pro-Obama, but he is a straight shooter datawise. Before getting involved in politics, he was a baseball statistician. Not sure, but that may still be his day job.

Thanks! But Pollster includes the Daily Kos poll?

538 has a useful poll ranking system, which I've been looking for for weeks. The Fox poll does not score so well.

For those who may have missed it:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

re: #183 reine.de.tout

Why are these people getting involved in the US presidential campaign?

Dutch Youth Socialists traveling to US to campaign for Obama

Because they're Dutch, Young, and Socialists. Why else?
;)

re: #214 debutaunt

Why did the Democrats believe that Kerry was cheated out of the election?

haliburton hurricane voting machines

Contact your local Republican HQ and get to work

that is all

re: #205 ploome hineni

SOCIALISTS

yes.
It is interesting to me how many foreigners are interested enough in the US presidential campaign that they are spending money to come help Obama.

Why is it his fans don't realize what a scary scary thing that is, to have that level of foreign involvement in our election?

re: #192 cblesz

re: #183 reine.de.tout

Why are these people getting involved in the US presidential campaign?

Dutch Youth Socialists traveling to US to campaign for Obama

Because he is a socialist and they want America to be the same as them...

I hope to hell they come to W. MI. Many of us here still speak Dutch,the language of our grandparents but we also learned from them to love this country!

Is anyone else getting gray + and - boxes that don't work, instead of the colored ones? Is there something I'm doing wrong?

re: #172 Eowyn2

ACORN POLL

Obama 62%
McCain 43%

hahhahahahahhahahahaha

anyone want to wager China is a major contributor to this fiscal fiasco

they have had spyware installed on world bank servers
deposited (pun intended) from i.p. addresses in China

now, they could stand to gain the most from this
check it out (said in an ebonic/Obamic tone)....

they own T bills - rock solid
they ruin our bank system and cause a stock panic

their money is in safe T bills
they cash them in...........

end of story

John McCain had best get a concise, credible,coherent blurb going on why his economic vision is superior to the Obama's socialist plottings. Fug the other stuff, it'll keep. Americans are worried BIG time about their wallets, first and foremost.

It's hard for me to accept that so many people are so stupid as to associate McCain with the economic meltdown. They say "Bush Administration Policies" caused this. Which policies? No answer. Even if they named a policy, why would McCain be associated with this any more than Obama is associated with Barney Frank. McCain would have had to support specific economic policies which led to this problem.

But cause and effect have been clearly demonstrated. It is Democratic policies all the way, opposed by Republicans and resisted by lenders. Which Republicans have walked off with millions of dollars from any of these institutions? None. I think nothing short of a very detailed and articulate dissection of this cause and effect, repeatedly, has any chance of penetrating the vagueness of why this nobody from nowhere has even the remotest qualification to lead the country, economically or any other way.

re: #158 Occasional Reader

And over lunch, I just had someone gushingly tell me that she's going to vote for Obama, "because he's black."

And then went on to say, she doesn't believe in race, and Obama's election will be a victory over racism.

We DO live in the Bizarro Universe. We really do.

Give explain to this someone the concept of buyer's remorse

Win the crowd.

re: #172 Eowyn2

ACORN POLL

Obama 62%
McCain 43%

That would be the Indianapolis vote. Right?

re: #219 Sharmuta

WOO HOO!

re: #103 leereyno

Every time I hear about one of these polls it makes me weep for the future of our nation and the world. Obama is a far-left crypto-marxist america-hating radical. Someone like this should not have a snowball's chance in hell of being elected dog catcher, let alone become the leader of the free world.

What does it say about the health of our nation and its culture that someone like him is even a contender?

Obama's candidacy is a symptom of a much deeper and far more dangerous malignancy within our nation. Even if he loses this round, he or someone just like him will be there next time. He is where he is because of the people who back him. They are the true problem.

The ascendancy of the far left within the democratic party didn't happen overnight. This is a problem that has been brewing and festering for many, many years now. All the while most of us sort of stood there, puzzled and more than a little disturbed by what we saw, but we did nothing to stop it.

Leftists have to be met head on. Their efforts to destroy our nation must be repelled. Their lies must be refuted. The louder they scream and yell and whine and threaten, the more persistent we must be. We all have a duty to protect and defend our nation from all enemies, foreign and domestic. If we do not fight back, our nation will be lost, and the last best hope for mankind will fail.

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

We need to get the Marxists out of our educational system.
Zinn's history book should be considered a text of wrong ideas, not an accurate history.

re: #207 Irene NYC

What the F*CK did McCain think he was doing when he said that the most important thing while they were campaigning was TO HAVE FUN? "I told Sarah before the debate to have FUN." And he said it THREE times (that I saw).

It's pretty simple psychology. If you're having fun, you're more likeable, more relaxed, better able to reach people. If you're sitting around worrying "OMG, I'm going to lose! the world will go to hell!" you are far less effective.

Seriously, I find this true in teaching. If I'm relaxed, class goes better. I don't think it should be his strategy, but I think it is part of success in public.

re: #203 ploome hineni

what is bazarro is that you stayed there with your lunch date

/or go in the first place

Because "seething hatred of anyone who disagrees with my politics" is a lousy way to go through life?

re: #226 bungie

Is anyone else getting gray + and - boxes that don't work, instead of the colored ones? Is there something I'm doing wrong?

It happens.
Open a new window, log-in if you have to.
If you're logged out, any comments made before you log in will have the grayed-out boxes, in my experience.

re: #147 Desert Dog

wow, that is from the NEW YORK TIMES!

Exactly, and it quotes the original Newsmax article extensively. McCain needs to jump on this ASAP. Campaign finance reform has his name all over it, literally.

re: #188 faraway

4 out of our last 5 Presidents were Governors.

Senators are trained to yammer endlessly.

re: #226 bungie

hit refresh

re: #233 Ben Hur

Win the crowd.

You sold me queer giraffes.

The next four years will be an Obamanation if he wins.

re: #238 Occasional Reader

Because "seething hatred of anyone who disagrees with my politics" is a lousy way to go through life?

She was that hot, eh?

re: #228 Adrenalyn

anyone want to wager China is a major contributor to this fiscal fiasco

they have had spyware installed on world bank servers
deposited (pun intended) from i.p. addresses in China

now, they could stand to gain the most from this
check it out (said in an ebonic/Obamic tone)....

they own T bills - rock solid
they ruin our bank system and cause a stock panic

their money is in safe T bills
they cash them in...........

end of story

They stopped loaning money to the US just before all this happened; that was one thing that precipitated it.
Wal-Mart should be tried for treason.
/

re: #245 Ben Hur

She was that hot, eh?

Actually, yes. But that's not the point!

re: #138 doppelganglander

Folks, when even the New York Times is covering Obama's campaign finance fraud, things are getting serious.

Fictitious Donors Found in Obama Finance Records

Ahem - its a ncie piece of CYA, and they're playing it down as much as possible.

Via Hot Air: Rezko singing about Giannoulias?

We just spoke with someone well-connected in Chicago politics who told us that the bank Sneed is talking about has to be Broadway Bank, which is owned by the politically-connected Giannoulias family. We were told that Sneed’s column confirms rumblings people we know heard independently that Tony Rezko is giving up the Giannoulias family to Patrick Fitzgerald — Rezko and the Giannoulias family are as close and tied together as anyone in Chicago could be. If Rezko is turning on them, then Rezko is going to give up Governor Rod Blagojevich and Obama too.

We don’t want to end up in cement shoes for implying anything here, but if you live in Chicago for any length of time, you hear rumors about Broadway Bank, the Giannoulias family, and insert Tony Soprano references here. Kapeech?

re: #238 Occasional Reader

Because "seething hatred of anyone who disagrees with my politics" is a lousy way to go through life?

Yup. Too many on both sides embrace that hatred.

re: #247 Occasional Reader

Actually, yes. But that's not the point!

Of course not.

re: #237 arethusa

It's pretty simple psychology. If you're having fun, you're more likeable, more relaxed, better able to reach people. If you're sitting around worrying "OMG, I'm going to lose! the world will go to hell!" you are far less effective.

Seriously, I find this true in teaching. If I'm relaxed, class goes better. I don't think it should be his strategy, but I think it is part of success in public.

I don't disagree. But during the worst melt down of our financial sector in over half a century, you DO NOT sit there smiling and talking about having fun on national television. That's what you say sotto voce between yourselves.

It may be me, but I've been trying to get on Obama's Senate web page for the last hour...no worky.

re: #217 twincitiesgirl

I'm from Minnesota and it has a long history as a progressive state. Although I left before "the body" was elected it does not surprise me that Al Franken is running for the seat that once belonged to Paul Wellstone. Minnesota is also the state that elected Keith Ellison in 2006 as the first Muslim in the US Congress from the 5th congressional district of Minnesota.

I am not a violent person, but the mere sight of Al Franken makes me want to punch him in the face.

re: #212 Captkirk35

Sorry for the bleakness on a friday. I'll be fine, as I awoke from a dream foretelling this day over a year ago, sold my home, and moved most of my assets to fixed vehicles. However, I don't see the getting any better for a long, long time.. we're talking years. The will simply doesn't yet exist to start healing. A few more years of sliding downward will hopefully start to turn it back in the right direction, but there's going to be a high body count along the way.

I have a job, I have a nice healthy family, I can still buy food and beer in a store, I have a 338 with a huge ass scope, I can still put gas in my car, I take my black lab for a walk along the American every afternoon, Al Queta is on the run, and I know I live in the best country in the world. Keep in mind that the rest of the world is hurting even more, don't despair and we'll get through this my friend (no pun intended).

re: #253 jorline

It may be me, but I've been trying to get on Obama's Senate web page for the last hour...no worky.

They must have the memory hole techs working overtime...

re: #251 Ben Hur

Of course not.

I was not about the let her politics get the breast of me. I mean, best of me.

re: #216 mama winger

Put a yard sign up; put a bumper sticker on your car; don't be afraid to speak up. Conservatives have become afraid to publicly support their candidate, while the Left feels unrestrained to support theirs. This is having an influence, and is an easy way for the layperson to make a difference.

re: #256 loppyd

That is not the Senate Web I knew

Dear Senator McCain,
In the past you fought the good fight for us against the enemies of America. You are now in another fight against the enemies of America in this election.
The results of losing this current fight will surely be as, or more disastrous as was our untimely withdrawal from Viet Nam.
In the war you fought in Viet Nam you were one of many thousands who fought. In the current war you are fighting for your country, you are the sole gladiator.
While we support you with all our souls, this is a fight that you can win only by yourself. You must stand up for your country and fight with all your might. You can no longer afford to pull your punches. All we can do is vote.
Your country is depending on you like it never has before. Fight like you have never fought before as this is the most important battle that you and your country has ever faced.
We are with you.
B. Hamel

re: #232 DeafDog

I've been saying similar stuff. It's like there are family-size boxes of crazy at the grocery store and people have been buying them up.
However disreputable it may be to have some underhanded deal with a corporation, it is far worse to be endorsed and share the values of a terrorist.
People should have spurned Obama at the first mention of meeting with Ahmadinijad.

re: #221 ploome hineni

long way between fighting for the position and your "fire and brimstone"

very dishonest comparison

and who the fuck cares

Still disagree. I see no sign he's not fighting for the position. Just listen to one of his events. Likewise Palin's. He's trying to get an economic message across, he's talking about Fannie and Freddie and Ayers. Pretty much doing exactly what everyone on this blog wanted him to.