Only one poll matters.

He still hasn't hit the magic 50.

Seems both have dropped in total %?

re: #1 Sharmuta

Only one poll matters.

Damn straight.

PUMAs = 5-7 million voters
ACORN = 1.5 million registrations

Buck Ofama.

Registered voters means nothing.

Likely voters are the polls to pay attention to.

Gallop is also registered as opposed to likely.

Did the zero move at all?
He is done folks...relax.
Matter of time.
MSM does NOT want to be linked with him, what with RICO involved.
I can visualize MSM climbing out of the O's tank...LOLOL

Oh turds.

(sigh) Sure picked a bad day to stop sniffing glue.//

Rush was just commenting on that. Both numbers are dropping (compared to previous fox polls). Shows no one is happy with either candidate. Obama is going to play safe, because he's in the lead. The election is McCains for the taking if someone will light a fire under his ass.

OT:
DEMOCRATS LIED!
MY 401K DIED!

I'm so pissed off right now, I could say something that would get me banned.

What do foxes know about the election?
/polling humans would be relevant

Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby Poll:

Obama 48%, McCain 43% ...for likely voters

The next President should be a Jethro Tull fan.

More fertilizer to spread.

OT, via Drudge:
[Link: washingtontimes.com...]

Though someone probably already posted it.

re: #2 Ward Cleaver

He still hasn't hit the magic 50.

--In battleground states (CO, MI, NH, NM, FL, OH, PA, VA, WI and NV), Obama holds a more significant 52-38% lead.

re: #16 SonOfLiberty

OT, via Drudge:
[Link: washingtontimes.com...]

Though someone probably already posted it.

O sure acts like he has already been elected, doesn't he.

re: #16 SonOfLiberty

Saw that yesterday. He is acting as if he is already the President......I will give him credit for one thing, he has incredible gall.....

HE won't win.

The MSM is peaking a little early.

Has anyone polled Obama?He needs to be polled! I would like to see him polled! I would like to help poll him.

re: #17 pat

what poll are you looking at?

re: #22 loppyd

[Link: hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com...]

From the same poll:

There has also been discussion of Obama’s relationship with 1960s radical activist William Ayers — linked to bomb plots against the Pentagon and the U.S. Capitol. Almost one-third of all voters (32 percent) say they’d be less likely to vote for Obama knowing of this connection — although the vast majority (61 percent) say it will have no effect on their vote. Somewhat fewer independent voters express reduced likelihood to vote for Obama based on the Ayers information — although, at 29 percent, it is still a potential liability among this key voter group.

McCain’s relationship with Charles Keating — linked to a 1980s savings and loan scandal — results in far less disinclination (16 percent) to vote for the Arizona senator. In fact, almost 4 in 5 voters (78 percent) say the Keating connection would have no impact on their vote. Only 12 percent of independent voters are less likely to vote for McCain based on this information.

re: #21 Oldasdirt

Has anyone polled Obama?He needs to be polled! I would like to see him polled! I would like to help poll him.

LOL!

/and I never had anything to do with livestock

There's only one barometer that matters.

And it belongs to Loppy.

I wish they could pass a law banning polls in the month leading up to the election. There is so much manipulation and hype going on, this would put an end some of it.

Question for OH lizards: How heavily "democrat" is Cleveland? And is the Cleveland Leader a liberal paper?

Cleveland Paper: Obama's lying about ACORN

(via MM)

re: #21 Oldasdirt

He would not give you a straight answer, so why ask?

Big Mo is not our friend.

15% undecided

re: #14 Who Watches the Watchmen?

The next President should be a Jethro Tull fan.

IAN FOR PESIDENT!

re: #29 Desert Dog

He would not give you a straight answer, so why ask?

I doubt he would even deign to give ANY answer. He does have a way of avoiding any question that will be less than flattering to his messiahship.

For Southern California lizards; The Republican headquarters in Claremont (east L.A. county) has an abundance of yard signs, stickers, and shirts. They are in a moonbat central college town, and are delighted to get visitors. Foothill blvd east of Towne.

Acorn is dangerous

Wow much better interface... the avatars are bigger now.

One request I'd like to make before the next debate -

It doesn't help us to set conservative expectations that McCain has to render Obama unconscious (figuratively) at the end OR ELSE. Setting expectations low won't help either, but it's important to remember that a lot of things are at play right now.

I took a non-scientific poll near my domicile. 100% of likely voters indicated Obama was a lying politician* and would vote for McCain. There was 0% chance of error.

*Some of the responses were paraphrased for a family audience.

Or not.

Reposted from the prior thread, and more appropriate here:

I believe the October surprise will be that one or more prominent Democrats will do a Joe Lieberman. People who are centrists - Scoop Jackson Democrats, and who don't have higher political ambitions than their current office, or who are retired. Hopefully they'll come out and say that BHO is simply too radical for them, not honest about his past associations, and that while they might not agree with McCain on policy, they know him to be an honest and honorable man who will not damage the country. Probably not speeches in support of McCain, but a simple announcement, as above, followed by non-speaking appearances with McCain at rallies.

I will be door knocking next week with my sister for McCain.
Donated another 100 bucks today.

re: #20 Ben Hur

HE won't win.

The MSM is peaking a little early.

And they said the Titanic wouldn't sink even after it hit the iceberg.

Not being deliberately negative, but with this economy and only three weeks left, there is little the GOP can do to reverse this tide. It is not looking well, my friends. Barring some disaster, we are going to have a Blue November.

re: #29 Desert Dog

He would not give you a straight answer, so why ask?

NOT the kind of polling i had in mind.The only thing i would want him to say is OUCH!

Y'all keep it down. Maverick is sleeping.

It ain't over yet. . .

As John McEnroe used to say to the refs, "You canNOT be serious!"

And how about that crooked Ohio Election Official Greta Van Susteren interviewed last night--the woman who said she was also lawyer, former judge and officer of the court--and would do no wrong? (Except throw the election to her candidate the One).

At least someone's watching for shenanigans now.

re: #13 loppyd

Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby Poll:

Obama 48%, McCain 43% ...for likely voters

BHO has to be up by more than 5% in the polls to win the election. (Sample selection biasing, Bradley effect)

re: #45 looking closely

It ain't over yet. . .

Though the fat lady does seem to be going thru her warm up routine.

re: #40 Son of the Black Dog

Reposted from the prior thread, and more appropriate here:

I believe the October surprise will be that one or more prominent Democrats will do a Joe Lieberman. People who are centrists - Scoop Jackson Democrats, and who don't have higher political ambitions than their current office, or who are retired. Hopefully they'll come out and say that BHO is simply too radical for them, not honest about his past associations, and that while they might not agree with McCain on policy, they know him to be an honest and honorable man who will not damage the country. Probably not speeches in support of McCain, but a simple announcement, as above, followed by non-speaking appearances with McCain at rallies.

Obama is Lamont on a national scale.

Hillary should have run as an independant.

re: #45 looking closely

It ain't over yet. . .

Wormer dropped the big one, man.

The fear is that the whole country will now be on double-secret probation.

ACORN fits right in with the democrats, They ARE all nuts.

I want to know the percentage of Dems to Repubs to Indies they're polling.

If they're polling even more dems than before, then that explains the numbers.

re: #8 Wishing

Did the zero move at all?
He is done folks...relax.
Matter of time.
MSM does NOT want to be linked with him, what with RICO involved.
I can visualize MSM climbing out of the O's tank...LOLOL

As long as it comes down before January 20th. After that it'll be, "Who's ACORN?"

Maybe McCain will flip the ticket before the next debate.

re: #46 alegrias

They are still mad about 2004, thinking the Republican SoS gave the election to Bush.......now it's "payback time" in their minds

I have been doing phone banking all week for John McCain. This is what I have noticed:

I am making calls during the day, when retired folks are at home. They are overwhelmingly stating that they are supporting McCain - Palin. These are the folks that actually VOTE. The older generation is the most reliable voting block there is.

I don't reach most of the younger folks who are at work during the day. Half of them don't vote anyway.

I have trouble believing that if you ask 1000 people who are at home and answering the phone and participating in a pole what they think, that it will reflect the views of 100 million people.

Ann Coulter on FOX last night reminded some that in 2004, the polls had Kerry winning by 12-14 points. I think most polls are propaganda devices.

re: #56 mama winger

I have been doing phone banking all week for John McCain. This is what I have noticed:

I am making calls during the day, when retired folks are at home. They are overwhelmingly stating that they are supporting McCain - Palin. These are the folks that actually VOTE. The older generation is the most reliable voting block there is.

I don't reach most of the younger folks who are at work during the day. Half of them don't vote anyway.

I hope you're right, Mama.

Also - remember that this is an electoral vote, not a popular vote. Many states are well within the margin of error right now, and could be subject to all kinds of changes.

re: #1 Sharmuta

Only one poll matters.

You are on today, Sharmuta.....what she said.

And I'm no mathematician but isn't that 15% undecided?(well, in actuality probably closer to 14, but those loons don't matter)

I'm pretty much predicting that is how much of the popular vote BHO gets. maybe 48%.

re: #58 SnakeSpit

Ann Coulter on FOX last night reminded some that in 2004, the polls had Kerry winning by 12-14 points. I think most polls are propaganda devices.

There is only one poll that I trust, and that is the one on Nov 4th.

re: #57 Ben Hur

I have trouble believing that if you ask 1000 people who are at home and answering the phone and participating in a pole what they think, that it will reflect the views of 100 million people.

If some stranger asks me who I'm voting for, my usual first reaction is to tell them to piss off.

re: #57 Ben Hur

I have trouble believing that if you ask 1000 people who are at home and answering the phone and participating in a pole what they think, that it will reflect the views of 100 million people.

Conservatives are out working.

If they are polling the ACORN voters, then yeah, the results are skewed.
(1st time I used that word, skewed)

re: #21 Oldasdirt

Has anyone polled Obama?He needs to be polled! I would like to see him polled! I would like to help poll him.

You mean like in the 'old days' when the snake oil salesman would get tarred and feathered then run out of town on a pole (or fence rail)?

re: #47 Son of the Black Dog

BHO has to be up by more than 5% in the polls to win the election. (Sample selection biasing, Bradley effect)

Indeed.

Eight years and one month ago, CNN described Bush 42% - Gore 49%(!) as a "statistical tie", but now because Obama is ahead by a few points, the sky is falling?

It ain't necessarily so.
Absolutely its still possible for McCain to come out ahead here.

re: #63 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If some stranger asks me who I'm voting for, my usual first reaction is to tell them to piss off.

I alway give my stock answer.

"I do not participate in polls. Thank you."

And if I'm polled coming out of the booth, I'll say the same thing.

I think they are doing a little poll dancing.

One of the questions that is asked on the McCain campaign phone survey is:

Is your support for the candidate

strong
weak
average

Almost all people say STRONG. One little old lady yesterday told me EXTRA EXTRA Strong.

Don't listen to the doom and gloomers. That's what they want.

Defeat is the story line that they want advanced. Do not play into it.

re: #62 FurryOldGuyJeans

You sure those weren't the exit polls she was talking about?

re: #66 gonecamping

You mean like in the 'old days' when the snake oil salesman would get tarred and feathered then run out of town on a pole (or fence rail)?

ACCURSED MOUNTEBANK!

re: #46 alegrias

That was Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Breuhner. She's currently under investigation for voter fraud.

I'm all for brass poles though.

re: #69 faraway

I think they are doing a little poll dancing.

You beat me to the reference!

re: #64 faraway

Exactly, they call during the day when only the welfare recipients are home. OR they only call those registered as DEM or independant.

re: #57 Ben Hur

I have trouble believing that if you ask 1000 people who are at home and answering the phone and participating in a pole what they think, that it will reflect the views of 100 million people.

Depends which kind of pole you sample.

McCain is in Minnesota today, and I heard he's going back to Michigan.

This tells me his internal numbers show it's safe to leave the supposed battleground states and hit some leaners, because if his internals showed otherwise, there is no way in hell he'd waste time in the blue states. I just don't think he's that dumb.

re: #71 calcajun

You sure those weren't the exit polls she was talking about?

I still say only ONE poll matters, and it ain't exit polls either.

re: #68 Ben Hur

I alway give my stock answer.

"I do not participate in polls. Thank you."

And if I'm polled coming out of the booth, I'll say the same thing.

I find most people are happy to answer my poll. About 8 of 10, I would say.

I'm happy to see so much confidence in McCain because lately I've been approaching panic attacks at the thought that the Zero is about to win this thing. Doubly so because he is stepping into a virtual power vacuum like few Presidents in history. People are so desperate for any kind of leadership that there is danger for real and permanent damage from this snake-charming neophyte.

I didn't discover LGF until after GWB's re-election ... and incidentally I voted for Kerry, for some weird reason. A question for Lizards who were here before that, did Charles post all these discouraging poll numbers then?

re: #66 gonecamping

You mean like in the 'old days' when the snake oil salesman would get tarred and feathered then run out of town on a pole (or fence rail)?

I was thinking school yard days,,when a person was grabbed by the legs,and run into a poll..That might just have been a Texas thing.

Pffft. Whatever...

re: #46 alegrias

As John McEnroe used to say to the refs, "You canNOT be serious!"

And how about that crooked Ohio Election Official Greta Van Susteren interviewed last night--the woman who said she was also lawyer, former judge and officer of the court--and would do no wrong? (Except throw the election to her candidate the One).

At least someone's watching for shenanigans now.

I saw that and it really pissed me off. I think she was the AG and she is basically stonewalling the local election officials from using a database that would spot fraudulent voters. Her excuse was the program wasn't ready yet, and they have had the program since 2000! What a sack of shit lying judge. If she is able to stonewall into next week then they open the absentee ballots and every one has to be counted even if they are truly fraudulent.

A two fer poll.

The Sun and the Earth.
Al Gore ,,,,, 0 aka zero

Global Warming,,,,, 0 aka zero

Two wins.

[Link: www.redlodgemountain.com...]

web cams,, of down town and the Triple Chair and the Face of Pine Ridge

seems snowy to some

re: #63 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If some stranger asks me who I'm voting for, my usual first reaction is to tell them to piss off.

That's what I did when I was push polled in 2000. (nicer language, tho)

re: #42 calcajun

And they said the Titanic wouldn't sink even after it hit the iceberg.

Not being deliberately negative, but with this economy and only three weeks left, there is little the GOP can do to reverse this tide. It is not looking well, my friends. Barring some disaster, we are going to have a Blue November.

They also said the Titanic was unsinkable. All it took was a glancing blow from an iceberg to take it to the bottom of the North Atlantic.

re: #59 Ward Cleaver

I hope you're right, Mama.

I'm always right.

:) *wink*

re: #80 mama winger

I find most people are happy to answer my poll. About 8 of 10, I would say.

Well, if you called and said it was you, then maybe.

re: #77 looking closely

Depends which kind of pole you sample.

There appeared to be some undecided voters there.

re: #76 gonecamping

Exactly, they call during the day when only the welfare recipients are home. OR they only call those registered as DEM or independant.

Yes, but countering that, most young people are cell-phone only and they're not being polled at all (from what I've read). And a lot of them are serious Obamabots. They may well turn out to vote in heavier-than-normal numbers. Ditto for the African-American vote.

re: #77 looking closely

those are all girl watching the dancer...what club is that!

re: #88 Honorary Yooper

They also said the Titanic was unsinkable.

"Inconceivable!"

re: #78 Sharmuta

McCain is in Minnesota today, and I heard he's going back to Michigan.

This tells me his internal numbers show it's safe to leave the supposed battleground states and hit some leaners, because if his internals showed otherwise, there is no way in hell he'd waste time in the blue states. I just don't think he's that dumb.

I sure hope you are right and I wish I could share your faith in the campaign... I am doing everything I can from here in NY to get John McCain elected...

In this (non-dancing) poll Bush didn't come out with a clear lead over Gore until the END of OCTOBER.

[Link: www.tipponline.com...]

IIRC, even exit polls had Gore ahead, and he lost.

re: #82 Tigger2005

I didn't discover LGF until after GWB's re-election ... and incidentally I voted for Kerry, for some weird reason. A question for Lizards who were here before that, did Charles post all these discouraging poll numbers then?

Dogpile on the rabbit!
Dogpile on the rabbit!

It ain't over till its over. A few more innings left and anything could happen.

Obama will lose votes if it looks like he is a sure winner. Americans love underdogs and a good fight.

re: #94 buzzsawmonkey

"Inconceivable!"

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means!

re: #90 Ben Hur

Well, if you called and said it was you, then maybe.

:)

Let every poll in the world show The Messiah ahead.

Tells us we need to get to the polls.

Tells the Obamanuts that they don't allneed to get to the polls.

"Obama has it sewn up. No need to even get out of bed today."

"registered voters" is the key phrase

Likely voters mean a bit more . . . and then it matters which poll you look at.

OMG, who am I kidding? NONE of this makes sense.

Every time I hear about one of these polls it makes me weep for the future of our nation and the world. Obama is a far-left crypto-marxist america-hating radical. Someone like this should not have a snowball's chance in hell of being elected dog catcher, let alone become the leader of the free world.

What does it say about the health of our nation and its culture that someone like him is even a contender?

Obama's candidacy is a symptom of a much deeper and far more dangerous malignancy within our nation. Even if he loses this round, he or someone just like him will be there next time. He is where he is because of the people who back him. They are the true problem.

The ascendancy of the far left within the democratic party didn't happen overnight. This is a problem that has been brewing and festering for many, many years now. All the while most of us sort of stood there, puzzled and more than a little disturbed by what we saw, but we did nothing to stop it.

Leftists have to be met head on. Their efforts to destroy our nation must be repelled. Their lies must be refuted. The louder they scream and yell and whine and threaten, the more persistent we must be. We all have a duty to protect and defend our nation from all enemies, foreign and domestic. If we do not fight back, our nation will be lost, and the last best hope for mankind will fail.

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

Are there any Minnesota lizards in here today? Is your state really going to elect Al Franken? That is insane. There are few people on earth I despise more than BHO, Al Franken is one of them.

re: #78 Sharmuta

Uh, W. spent a lot of money in CA four years ago for some god-forsaken reason.

Unless someone slips Barry a pill that will make him sound either like Steve Urkel or Huggy Bear, he's going to go 3 for 3 in style in the debates--and that will count for a lot--making people comfortable with him as POTUS.

I do so hope I am wrong.

OT:

New candidate vying for a Darwin Award: Iran appoints successor to Mughniyeh

re: #94 buzzsawmonkey

"Inconceivable!"

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

re: #58 SnakeSpit

Ann Coulter on FOX last night reminded some that in 2004, the polls had Kerry winning by 12-14 points. I think most polls are propaganda devices.

I actually looked that up and it is not true. All through October, Bush was leading in many polls by 2 or 3 and neither candidate was ahead in any of the polls tracked by Real Clear Politics by more than 4 or 5.

Coulter is lying, or more likely cherry picking some poll.
Link-----> Bush vs. kerry in 2004

re: #77 looking closely

Depends which kind of pole you sample.

does anyone else think that dancer is too skinny?

I"m optimistic by nature, but there's just so many problems with this world and our country, that a half empty glass of water keeps flickering into my brain.

The list is endless.. government corruption, broken schools, a sick culture owned by the Left, evil lurking on every street corner, a country deep in debt, a future of even deeper debt and government bankruptcy, a pathology that raising taxes somehow solves problems, an envious world out to knock down the last, best hope for stability, a generation of slackers seperated from the idea that hard, honest work is the way foward, contempt for marriage as the best and healthiest organizing principle, a middle class working harder and harder to keep up w/ ever rising debt and 500 dollar heating bills, a culture focused on ill-considered priorities such as global warming over real concerns, a race-obsessed culture, an entitlement culture, .. the list is endless.

re: #28 Intrepid

Question for OH lizards: How heavily "democrat" is Cleveland? And is the Cleveland Leader a liberal paper?

Cleveland Paper: Obama's lying about ACORN

(via MM)

Cleveland, like most big cities, is pretty heavily Democratic. It doesn't appear that The Cleveland Leaders is a paper at all. I think it's just a web site. Here's a notice that I found on the site.

Advertise with the Cleveland Leader!
While other sites claim to be Cleveland's #1 blog, we are the real deal, reaching hundreds of thousands of visitors each month. And at just a little over one year old, Cleveland Leader's potential for growth is exponential. Still not convinced? Then check out the chart below which compares Cleveland Leader to Cleveland's other "big" blogs.

re: #104 Desert Dog

Are there any Minnesota lizards in here today? Is your state really going to elect Al Franken? That is insane. There are few people on earth I despise more than BHO, Al Franken is one of them.

And Franken isn't even funny.

re: #92 Irene NYC

Yes, but countering that, most young people are cell-phone only and they're not being polled at all (from what I've read). And a lot of them are serious Obamabots. They may well turn out to vote in heavier-than-normal numbers. Ditto for the African-American vote.

This is what scares me... I think this year, of all years, the 'youth' are going to come out and the rable rousers are going to do everything they can to get the maximum number of African American voters from swing states to the polls...

re: #88 Honorary Yooper

They also said the Titanic was unsinkable. All it took was a glancing blow from an iceberg to take it to the bottom of the North Atlantic.

I saw a recent documentary that the damage to the Titanic was more extensive than just the accepted glancing blow to her starboard side; a substantial portion of her double bottom was cracked/chipped/scraped off with the encounter to the iceberg. Remember the accepted wisdom from the sinking on until 1985 was the ship went down intact until Dr. Ballard actually found her.

re: #109 bellamags

does anyone else think that dancer is too skinny?

Yes. And why is she dancing in front of a bunch of women?

re: #88 Honorary Yooper

They also said the Titanic was unsinkable. All it took was a glancing blow from an iceberg to take it to the bottom of the North Atlantic.

Like I said, barring some disaster (assumingthe polling data is accurate and honest), team Obama is going to take it all in 3 weeks time.

re: #113 tfc3rid

This is what scares me... I think this year, of all years, the 'youth' are going to come out and the rable rousers are going to do everything they can to get the maximum number of African American voters from swing states to the polls...

Agreed. And the cockiness will be breathtaking...and scary.

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