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Krauthammer: Obama and Friends

Opinion | Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 2:26:25 pm PDT

Charles Krauthammer is critical of both candidates in his Friday column: Obama & Friends: Judge Not?

McCain had his chance back in April when the North Carolina Republican Party ran a gubernatorial campaign ad that included the linking of Obama with Jeremiah Wright. The ad was duly denounced by the New York Times and other deep thinkers as racist.

This was patently absurd. Racism is treating people differently and invidiously on the basis of race. Had any white presidential candidate had a close 20-year association with a white preacher overtly spreading race hatred from the pulpit, that candidate would have been not just universally denounced and deemed unfit for office but written out of polite society entirely.

Nonetheless, John McCain in his infinite wisdom, and with his overflowing sense of personal rectitude, joined the braying mob in denouncing that perfectly legitimate ad, saying it had no place in any campaign. In doing so, McCain unilaterally disarmed himself, rendering off-limits Obama’s associations, an issue that even Hillary Clinton addressed more than once.

Obama’s political career was launched with Ayers giving him a fundraiser in his living room. If a Republican candidate had launched his political career at the home of an abortion-clinic bomber — even a repentant one — he would not have been able to run for dogcatcher in Podunk. And Ayers shows no remorse. His only regret is that he “didn’t do enough.”

Why are these associations important? Do I think Obama is as corrupt as Rezko? Or shares Wright’s angry racism or Ayers’s unreconstructed 1960s radicalism?

No. But that does not make these associations irrelevant. They tell us two important things about Obama.

Read the whole thing...

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1 pat  10/10/08 2:27:46 pm reply quote

Only Republicans can have bad friends.

2 pat  10/10/08 2:29:40 pm reply quote
Nonetheless, John McCain in his infinite wisdom, and with his overflowing sense of personal rectitude, joined the braying mob in denouncing that perfectly legitimate ad, saying it had no place in any campaign. In doing so, McCain unilaterally disarmed himself, rendering off-limits Obama's associations, an issue that even Hillary Clinton addressed more than once


No one ever called McCain smart..

3 Wishing  10/10/08 2:30:30 pm reply quote

I agree with CK though: McCain shot himself in the foot with that one.
Reaching across the aisle can strain some ligaments.

4 Captkirk35  10/10/08 2:31:34 pm reply quote

McCain needs to MAKE the arguments against Obama, not REPEAT the arguments.

5 arethusa  10/10/08 2:31:38 pm reply quote

I read this earlier. On the whole, it's more critical of Obama than McCain. McCain's character flaw is not attacking those who associate with such men; Obama's is associating with such men.

I know which kind I prefer, and I suspect Krauthammer has the same preference, despite the criticism.

6 godfrey  10/10/08 2:31:43 pm reply quote

Who Obama pals around with is just as important as who wants to pal around with him. Birds of a feather...

Period.

7 gop_patriot  10/10/08 2:32:22 pm reply quote
Why are these associations important? Do I think Obama is as corrupt as Rezko? Or shares Wright’s angry racism or Ayers’s unreconstructed 1960s radicalism?

No.

Well, I do.

8 willowone  10/10/08 2:32:43 pm reply quote

He is not energetic, yet McCain seems to manage strategy, look at Ads coming out, he might be building to the final crescendo. 2 1/2 weeks left can't you sense the building of the case?

9 gop_patriot  10/10/08 2:33:14 pm reply quote

re: #3 Wishing

I agree with CK though: McCain shot himself in the foot with that one.
Reaching across the aisle can strain some ligaments.

I agree with you.

10 WrathofG-d  10/10/08 2:33:20 pm reply quote

We saw how well that worked for Hillary.
/

11 Ward Cleaver  10/10/08 2:33:43 pm reply quote

RACIST!

/obamatons

12 snowcrash  10/10/08 2:33:56 pm reply quote

Krauthammer connects the dots, too bad the media cannot.

13 godfrey  10/10/08 2:34:07 pm reply quote

Look, anyone who introduces the "Global Poverty Act" in the US Senate is a socialist, period. It is utterly, 100% opposed to the charitable spirit of the United States. It arrogates charitable action from individuals to the State.

14 buzzsawmonkey  10/10/08 2:34:14 pm reply quote

That Krauthammer can still say Obama is a man of "first-class intellect and first-class temperament" when these things have clearly done nothing to provide him with even third-class judgment is the biggest indictment of "intellect and temperament" that I can think of.

15 jamgarr  10/10/08 2:34:14 pm reply quote

I got no takers for this on the thread below - so I'll try again


What's the difference between these two?

[Link: newsimg.bbc.co.uk...]

[Link: opposingviewpoints.files.wordpress.com.. .]

16 jamgarr  10/10/08 2:34:42 pm reply quote

re: #15 jamgarr

I got no takers for this on the thread below - so I'll try again


What's the difference between these two?

[Link: newsimg.bbc.co.uk...]

[Link: opposingviewpoints.files.wordpress.com.. .]

OOps! I'll try again.

17 gop_patriot  10/10/08 2:35:28 pm reply quote

re: #7 gop_patriot

Well, I do.

OK, maybe not as bad. But sheesh. I cannot imagine being around people like this for one minute, and he has spent more than half his life with them.

18 nyc redneck  10/10/08 2:35:40 pm reply quote

i still don't get why krauthammer and others insist on referring to obama as a great intellect.
it's just not true.

19 debutaunt  10/10/08 2:35:44 pm reply quote

re: #14 buzzsawmonkey

That Krauthammer can still say Obama is a man of "first-class intellect and first-class temperament" when these things have clearly done nothing to provide him with even third-class judgment is the biggest indictment of "intellect and temperament" that I can think of.

That is the contradiction!

20 willowone  10/10/08 2:35:56 pm reply quote

re: #14 buzzsawmonkey
as far as temperment i would say Hendon and Leiberman might disagree.

21 godfrey  10/10/08 2:36:05 pm reply quote

re: #14 buzzsawmonkey

I completely agree. I see no evidence of serious intelligence in Obama. All I see is "borrowed" intelligence. What has the man ever applied his intelligence to? What has he built? Superintended? Created? Risked?

Nothing.

22 zato  10/10/08 2:36:47 pm reply quote

And here's a political cartoon that sums up Barry's troubling past and his lack of qualification for the office of the President of the United States.

23 Wishing  10/10/08 2:37:08 pm reply quote

re: #13 godfrey

Look, anyone who introduces the "Global Poverty Act" in the US Senate is a socialist, period. It is utterly, 100% opposed to the charitable spirit of the United States. It arrogates charitable action from individuals to the State.

um, isnt that kinda what Welfare does?

24 arethusa  10/10/08 2:37:11 pm reply quote

re: #21 godfrey

I completely agree. I see no evidence of serious intelligence in Obama. All I see is "borrowed" intelligence. What has the man ever applied his intelligence to? What has he built? Superintended? Created? Risked?

Nothing.

Personally, I'd call it more "cunning" as opposed to actual brains. Knows how to manipulate, but has no clue what to manipulate for beyond himself.

25 godfrey  10/10/08 2:37:24 pm reply quote

re: #22 zato

Thank God there is someone out there with a lucid pen.

26 Soona'  10/10/08 2:38:14 pm reply quote

re: #7 gop_patriot

Well, I do.

I do too.

27 WrathofG-d  10/10/08 2:38:15 pm reply quote

It would be interesting for someone to make a list of all the things that have been considered "racist" when dealing with Mr. Obama.

28 FloridaAnole  10/10/08 2:38:24 pm reply quote

re: #14 buzzsawmonkey

That Krauthammer can still say Obama is a man of "first-class intellect and first-class temperament" when these things have clearly done nothing to provide him with even third-class judgment is the biggest indictment of "intellect and temperament" that I can think of.

Yeah, I read that too. What are his criteria, or grounds, for finding a "first class temperament" (I suspect that is intellectualese for "is a good actor") and first-class intellect? Especially the sort of intellect needed to govern a country?

29 godfrey  10/10/08 2:38:31 pm reply quote

re: #23 Wishing

Yes, of course. You want the US to set up a welfare system for the entire planet?

30 willowone  10/10/08 2:38:46 pm reply quote

i would disagree also about intelligence, his lack of bigger picture if He wanted to be president, be Squeaky clean. What he has shown to be is a master at manipulation.

31 FrogMarch  10/10/08 2:38:58 pm reply quote
First, his cynicism and ruthlessness. He found these men useful, and use them he did. Would you attend a church whose pastor was spreading racial animosity from the pulpit? Would you even shake hands with -- let alone serve on two boards with -- an unrepentant terrorist, whether he bombed U.S. military installations or abortion clinics?
32 jamgarr  10/10/08 2:39:24 pm reply quote

OK - Now I'll see if I get any takers

What the difference between these two?


[Link: newsimg.bbc.co.uk...]

[Link: opposingviewpoints.files.wordpress.com...]

33 Wishing  10/10/08 2:39:40 pm reply quote

re: #29 godfrey

Yes, of course. You want the US to set up a welfare system for the entire planet?

Just pointing out that we are already on that road...

34 Intrepid  10/10/08 2:40:00 pm reply quote

There has been no evidence of Obama's "first class intellect", none what-so-ever. He was editor of Harvard's Law Review, yet what great work of legal wonder did he write? He hasn't even released his University/Law School transcripts!

And what has he said that is so "intellectual"? "YES WE CAN!" "WE ARE THE CHANGE WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR"

I believe that Dr Krauthammer has a man-crush on Barack Obama - I wonder if that's why he has dismissed Sarah Palin as he has done in his pieces.

Losing respect for Dr K.

35 gop_patriot  10/10/08 2:40:07 pm reply quote

re: #26 Soona'

I see that you're new, welcome to LGF! :)

36 WrathofG-d  10/10/08 2:40:19 pm reply quote

re: #32 jamgarr

Wheelchair?

37 Captkirk35  10/10/08 2:40:25 pm reply quote

re: #32 jamgarr

about 100 IQ points.

38 jamgarr  10/10/08 2:40:47 pm reply quote

re: #36 WrathofG-d

Wheelchair?


Yikes! True - but not where I was going.

39 buzzsawmonkey  10/10/08 2:40:52 pm reply quote

And this, my friends, is the fallacy of "education."

I know a lot of highly educated people who are very strongly for Obama; who believe that Obama's educational credentials are a fitting and proper substitute for any real-life evidence that he has any decency, any judgment, any ability whatsoever to make moral, or indeed policy, distinctions.

Let it be understood that I am the product of two parents who obtained advanced degrees; that I hold one myself; that my siblings, too, hold advanced degrees. That means, however, that I understand the limitations of what the possession of an advanced degree confers upon its holder. It does not confer judgment. It does not confer moral rectitude. It merely attests to having completed a particular course of study.

40 godfrey  10/10/08 2:40:57 pm reply quote

re: #28 FloridaAnole

Obama looks and sounds like a civilized intellectual. For many people, that's enough. It ratifies their own pretensions, strokes their egos, and makes them feel superior. Plus, Obama is malleable. Psychologically, he is weak. This makes him doubly attractive to intellectuals who lack an outlet for their frustrations. Through Obama, they hope to remake the world in their image.

41 puckish and beguiling  10/10/08 2:41:34 pm reply quote

Reading the comments for that article is just plain scary--again, even bringing up these associations is somehow racist, with the threat of violence looming in the background should Obama lose the election.
It just makes me so mad!

42 straitcircle  10/10/08 2:41:34 pm reply quote

Edward Said was Obama and his wife's buddy. He was a anti-white or better anti westerner writer, in which loontown Columbia U gave him a chair. His thesis, if the white were not created, peace would reign on earth. Obama loved his views.

43 kansas  10/10/08 2:41:38 pm reply quote

We're getting hosed and are pissed off and it's showing up in rallies. But guess what?

McCain advisers dismissed the crowd's angry tone.

That's our Johnny. Bipartisan to the bitter defeat. F that.

44 arethusa  10/10/08 2:41:42 pm reply quote

re: #34 Intrepid


I believe that Dr Krauthammer has a man-crush on Barack Obama - I wonder if that's why he has dismissed Sarah Palin as he has done in his pieces.

Losing respect for Dr K.

I generally like and respect Krauthammer, but I suspect the problem here is he feels an intellectual affinity for Obama - not on issues, but in background and education. I suspect that kind of elitism is part of his problem with Palin, too.

45 gop_patriot  10/10/08 2:41:56 pm reply quote

re: #39 buzzsawmonkey

Well said.

46 Honorary Yooper  10/10/08 2:42:04 pm reply quote

Obama is a second class candidate with a third class resume with fourth class speaking abilities. He has first class terrorists as friends and associates. First class criminals make up his staff and other friends.

47 Paul  10/10/08 2:42:23 pm reply quote

Poor McCain, he tried to be scrupulous in his dealings with those of no scruples. I think CK may be right, raising this issue now smacks of desperation. Too, the MSM is not interested in anything but electing Obama.

48 jamgarr  10/10/08 2:42:24 pm reply quote

re: #32 jamgarr

OK - Now I'll see if I get any takers

What the difference between these two?


[Link: newsimg.bbc.co.uk...]

[Link: opposingviewpoints.files.wordpress.com.. .]

ANSWER - The guys in the first photo are columnated syndicalists.

49 jorline  10/10/08 2:42:28 pm reply quote
50 nyc redneck  10/10/08 2:42:28 pm reply quote

re: #13 godfrey

Look, anyone who introduces the "Global Poverty Act" in the US Senate is a socialist, period. It is utterly, 100% opposed to the charitable spirit of the United States. It arrogates charitable action from individuals to the State.

it's an insult to our spirit and sense of compassion for our fellow man.
obama is a misguided, heavy handed fool who wants credit for our inherent desire to help and give. he is going to mandate it. tax it out of us. and rob us of the joy of heartfelt giving.
he is such a dense fool.
citizens won't stand for this.

51 Irenike  10/10/08 2:42:35 pm reply quote

Here is what the bumper stickers need to say:

A corrupt Chicago politician who pals around with terrorists, belonged to a bigoted, racist church for 20 years, purchased his house in partnership with a convicted felon . . . is not a good choice for president.

52 Wishing  10/10/08 2:44:05 pm reply quote

re: #44 arethusa

I generally like and respect Krauthammer, but I suspect the problem here is he feels an intellectual affinity for Obama - not on issues, but in background and education. I suspect that kind of elitism is part of his problem with Palin, too.

Americans reject elitism. And pansys. Obama is both.
McCain wins.
'nuff said.

53 WrathofG-d  10/10/08 2:44:08 pm reply quote

Actually, I'm thinking now that I understand why Obama would want to speak with Achmadinejad, Hinneyeh, and other despots:

Its who he is used to associating with.

54 Killgore Trout  10/10/08 2:44:16 pm reply quote
Obama is a man of first-class intellect and first-class temperament.


I always find it ponderous that people think Obama is wicked smart. He seems of acceptable intelligence to me, not overly smart nor stupid. I can't think on an example of Obama's "first-class intellect".

55 Captkirk35  10/10/08 2:44:20 pm reply quote

re: #40 godfrey

Yup.

I think for many people, it's not only Obama's skin color, but his voice as well. I'm willing to bet a large percentage of the voters base their vote purely on instinct, and which candidate sounds better. Obama's silky baritone voice may be the difference.

56 jamgarr  10/10/08 2:45:12 pm reply quote

Test . . Test . . .Is this thing on?

57 debutaunt  10/10/08 2:45:28 pm reply quote

re: #55 Captkirk35

Yup.

I think for many people, it's not only Obama's skin color, but his voice as well. I'm willing to bet a large percentage of the voters base their vote purely on instinct, and which candidate sounds better. Obama's silky baritone voice may be the difference.

"Yuh know..."

58 madmama  10/10/08 2:45:41 pm reply quote

I just came back from a 'meet and greet' with Fred Thompson (and his wife) at the local Republican/McCain campaign office! Woo hoo! He stood right in front of me...there were about 100 people there....but I informed him that he was preaching to the choir!
They are in town (West Palm Beach) for a fundraiser for Allen West...a GREAT man who is running for congress down here. Allen West would be an up and comer...if he can only win this race. For anyone interested ...please donate to his campaign!

59 looking closely  10/10/08 2:45:42 pm reply quote
Charles Krauthammer is equally critical of both candidates in his Friday column:


Well, not exactly. . .
He really dumps on Obama for years of using crooks, terrorists, and racists to get ahead.
He only mildly dumps on McCain for not pointing out Obama's slime trail earlier, and rebuking those who tried to do it.

60 Ward Cleaver  10/10/08 2:45:54 pm reply quote

re: #56 jamgarr

Test . . Test . . .Is this thing on?

Turn it up!

61 JacksonTn  10/10/08 2:45:56 pm reply quote

I do not understand the media ...... they just want to be famous themselves ..... so sick of their comments ....... I ask ....... why is it okay for Carville to say that there will be riots if Obama loses if he has a lead in the polls November 4 ..... would it be okay if the same thing was said if McCain were to be ahead November 4 and then lost .......no it would not ...... because most of McCain people are white ......this "Great Uniter" ....."The One" ..... has caused more damage to this country in the last year .......

I remember during the OJ trial ....... so many media creatures were out to make names for themselves and it has just continued ........when will this end .....

I am also sick of people describing The One as intelligent, suave, articulate ......how about we see his transcripts from college and make up our own minds ......

62 jamgarr  10/10/08 2:46:29 pm reply quote

re: #60 Ward Cleaver

Turn it up!

Ouch!

63 Ojoe  10/10/08 2:46:33 pm reply quote

'the Muslin call to prayer at evening is one of the most beautiful sounds on the planet' —0bama. Oh, and vote for me, America.

64 WrathofG-d  10/10/08 2:46:36 pm reply quote

re: #60 Ward Cleaver

Turn it up!

drop in....tune out!

65 Soona'  10/10/08 2:46:40 pm reply quote

re: #35 gop_patriot

I see that you're new, welcome to LGF! :)


Thanks.

66 Racer X  10/10/08 2:46:52 pm reply quote

re: #18 nyc redneck

i still don't get why krauthammer and others insist on referring to obama as a great intellect.
it's just not true.

Comrade, is not wise to speak badly of incoming leader in negative terms. Align yourself properly as not to lose head.

*said in best Russian accent*

67 WrathofG-d  10/10/08 2:47:11 pm reply quote

re: #63 Ojoe

I'm partial to fireworks on July 4th!

68 arethusa  10/10/08 2:47:31 pm reply quote

re: #61 JacksonTn


I am also sick of people describing The One as intelligent, suave, articulate


/Don't forget "clean." (J. Biden)

69 Straitcircle  10/10/08 2:47:35 pm reply quote

re: #53 WrathofG-d

Actually, I'm thinking now that I understand why Obama would want to speak with Achmadinejad, Hinneyeh, and other despots:

Its who he is used to associating with.

Well it looks dismal for McCain, so if Obama gets into office, possibly ..dinejad will get a high-ranking duel-cabinet spot. He could Run Iran and America all at the same time implementing Shariah.

70 Ojoe  10/10/08 2:47:36 pm reply quote

re: #66 Racer X

In Russia, leader follow you.

71 opnion  10/10/08 2:48:11 pm reply quote

Good article, but I take issue with him dismissing that Obama could share Reverend Wright's racism.
I believe that he does, & I would reccomend Barrys crappy , Dreams bio.

72 Ward Cleaver  10/10/08 2:48:14 pm reply quote

re: #47 Paul

Poor McCain, he tried to be scrupulous in his dealings with those of no scruples. I think CK may be right, raising this issue now smacks of desperation. Too, the MSM is not interested in anything but electing Obama.

Yeah, he can lose, go back to his pals in the Senate ("The Club"), and still feel good about himself and his "bipartisanship". While the Dems laugh at him behind his back. Ugh.

73 lobo91  10/10/08 2:48:20 pm reply quote

re: #63 Ojoe

'the Muslin call to prayer at evening is one of the most beautiful sounds on the planet' —0bama. Oh, and vote for me, America.

He's apparently never heard the sound of an F-22 Raptor taking off.

74 ploome hineni  10/10/08 2:48:24 pm reply quote
Second, and even more disturbing than the cynicism, is the window these associations give on Obama's core beliefs. He doesn't share the Rev. Wright's poisonous views of race nor Ayers's views, past and present, about the evil that is American society. But Obama clearly did not consider these views beyond the pale. For many years he swam easily and without protest in that fetid pond.
Until now. Today, on the threshold of the presidency, Obama concedes the odiousness of these associations, which is why he has severed them. But for the years in which he sat in Wright's pews and shared common purpose on boards with Ayers, Obama considered them a legitimate, indeed unremarkable, part of social discourse.

Do you? Obama is a man of first-class intellect and first-class temperament. But his character remains highly suspect. There is a difference between temperament and character. Equanimity is a virtue. Tolerance of the obscene is not.

this part of the article really pisses me off

and I wrote Krauthammer and told him


I see the above as the equivalent of people saying that islam is a grat religion of peace

/spit

no one wants to admit taqqiya of islam and OBAMA

75 Ward Cleaver  10/10/08 2:48:36 pm reply quote

re: #65 Soona'

Thanks.

Booma' Soona'?

76 CyanSnowHawk  10/10/08 2:48:40 pm reply quote

re: #49 jorline

'Barack has captured the youth,'

Well it's about time somebody did, they keep getting into stuff they're not supposed to.

77 Racer X  10/10/08 2:49:02 pm reply quote

re: #70 Ojoe

In Russia, leader follow head loses you.

fixed.

78 Soona'  10/10/08 2:49:21 pm reply quote

re: #68 arethusa

/Don't forget "clean." (J. Biden)

And umm uhh oh yea, articulate.

79 OldLineTexan  10/10/08 2:49:43 pm reply quote

re: #69 Straitcircle

From the last thread, in honor of your avatar:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

80 ploome hineni  10/10/08 2:50:02 pm reply quote

re: #55 Captkirk35

Yup.

I think for many people, it's not only Obama's skin color, but his voice as well. I'm willing to bet a large percentage of the voters base their vote purely on instinct, and which candidate sounds better. Obama's silky baritone voice may be the difference.

he sounds like a more educated hip hop performer

just the stuff we need as POTUS

81 WrathofG-d  10/10/08 2:50:08 pm reply quote

re: #69 Straitcircle

I think you mean...

Well it looks dismal for McCain, so if Obama gets into office, possibly ..dinejad will get a high-ranking duel-cabinet spot. He could Run Iran, Lebanon, Hiz'b'allah, Syria, parts of Iraq, and America all at the same time implementing Shariah.

82 looking closely  10/10/08 2:50:47 pm reply quote

re: #14 buzzsawmonkey

That Krauthammer can still say Obama is a man of "first-class intellect and first-class temperament" when these things have clearly done nothing to provide him with even third-class judgment is the biggest indictment of "intellect and temperament" that I can think of.


Judgment is mostly a product of experience. You can be highly intelligent, but still have incredibly bad judgment. (Think of a high school computer hacker, as one example).

I have no evidence whatever of Obama's alleged intelligence. . .none.

Though as to his wisdom, given how far he's gotten on so very little of substance, I'd say he's got political wisdom in spades. He's 47 years old, has literally accomplished nothing of note in his entire life, and he's a step away from the Presidency of the United States.

As to the sort of wisdom you need to actually GOVERN. . .nope, he's got none of that.

83 opnion  10/10/08 2:50:53 pm reply quote

re: #42 straitcircle

Edward Said was Obama and his wife's buddy. He was a anti-white or better anti westerner writer, in which loontown Columbia U gave him a chair. His thesis, if the white were not created, peace would reign on earth. Obama loved his views.


Obama spent his yoot reading every Black radical that he could get his hands on, while learning to loathe his White blood, like Malcom.

85 nyc redneck  10/10/08 2:51:22 pm reply quote

re: #66 Racer X

Comrade, is not wise to speak badly of incoming leader in negative terms. Align yourself properly as not to lose head.

*said in best Russian accent*

so. it's going to be like that.
no opportunity for a visit to a nice reeducation camp for 1st. offenders.

86 Soona'  10/10/08 2:52:03 pm reply quote

re: #75 Ward Cleaver

Booma' Soona'?

Yup! And we're playing some team in that area down south of Oklahoma this weekend.

87 willowone  10/10/08 2:53:07 pm reply quote

After weekends at home in Chicago, Obama sometimes considered leaving late for the legislative session to spend an extra day at home, some of his friends said. He would miss nothing but a few meaningless votes, he reasoned, and he could accomplish more by meeting with constituents in his Hyde Park neighborhood. Friends persuaded him to return to Springfield BOLDonly when they reminded him of the political ramifications:) A lot of missed votes, advisers said, might permanently scar his résumé. He needed to succeed downstate in order to build a record

88 Maine's Michael  10/10/08 2:53:10 pm reply quote

Krauthammer is merely correct in his opinions and conclusions.

Obama, on the other hand, is transcendant of social constructs as pedestrial as simple 'right' and 'wrong', which are after all arbitrary ways of dividing the universe of ideas of men, created by western men infused with arbitrary ideas learned from ancient texts produced by an obscure tribe of eastern meidteranean semitics, the same tribe that now finds itself at odds with the most of the rest of the world - which brings us to the logocal question of why the ONe should be held to these classifications forced upon the rest of the wrold by this arrogant excusionary group that forces the rest of the world to fight and die for them.

/inner workings of the 'educated' liberal mind, circa 2008.

89 opnion  10/10/08 2:53:27 pm reply quote

re: #80 ploome hineni

he sounds like a more educated hip hop performer

just the stuff we need as POTUS

Hey, he's a horse shit dancer. No hip hop, no way.

90 willowone  10/10/08 2:53:31 pm reply quote

[Link: mobile.washingtonpost.com...]

oops link

91 txlady  10/10/08 2:54:46 pm reply quote

has anyone any information about OBAMA's birth certificate?
I hear talk of him not having one. That is, not an american BC.

92 Silhouette  10/10/08 2:54:46 pm reply quote

re: #68 arethusa

/Don't forget "clean." (J. Biden)

And bright and good looking. Because, you know, all the mainstream black people we've ever seen before were dirty, stupid, and ugly.

/biden

93 godfrey  10/10/08 2:54:53 pm reply quote

if you have strong opinions and consistency, you can expect this from the left:

- you're closed-minded
- you're stupid
- you're reactionary
- you lack subtlety and nuance

consequently, they're forced into triangulating against you, which means extra work for them, and not a lot of movement at the end of it

however

you can expect to be loved, wined, and dined if have vague opinions, some international contradictions, but a general sentimentalism they share:

- you're open-minded!
- have a first-class intellect!
- progressive!
- subtle, nuanced!

in short, you're easy pickin's. they can use you. that's what they want.

94 debutaunt  10/10/08 2:54:58 pm reply quote

re: #84 Killgore Trout

OT: Sleeping With The Cat.

ahhahaahahhahahahahahahhaaa

95 Egfrow  10/10/08 2:55:08 pm reply quote

So Far, I've been luke warm to Krauthhamer's presidential race commentary. He really is much better at foreign policy commentary than US domestics.

96 taxfreekiller  10/10/08 2:56:00 pm reply quote

Push, Push, Push,

Do not let up, do not slow, work all the projects.

Pull McCain across the finish line, Obama is a world class snake, fangs and all. McCain is what he is, but not anti American, Obama is a full hate America loon commie who consults with Ayers and his worse killer blood sucking wife.

Progress:
Texas is working on the DL problem, not the best yet, but we have pulled Rick Perry and the R money cult in charge of the party here to the water trough and made them drink.

see Numbers U.S.A.

On the left just below the DL in Texas thing is a letter by Congressman Larmar Smith that is in the Washington Times, its to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. Has truth in it.

[Link: www.numbersusa.com...]

Its an "Iron Man" thingey, all's that done so far is the swim part, the
26 mile run and the 100 mile bike ride to go, "cowboy up"

97 Captkirk35  10/10/08 2:56:04 pm reply quote

re: #80 ploome hineni


Sure. And in a Hip-Hop culture, he hits all the right notes. A lot of people recognize his pitch, and I think Obama tunes his pitch, and the words he uses, to manipulate this instinct. In this regard, he's brilliant.

98 Ward Cleaver  10/10/08 2:56:10 pm reply quote

re: #86 Soona'

Yup! And we're playing some team in that area down south of Oklahoma this weekend.

Hey, at least they took the rain out of the forecast. Moved it back to Monday.

99 WrathofG-d  10/10/08 2:56:25 pm reply quote

re: #91 txlady

I suggest you search that topic her at LGF & let it go.

(or deal with the wrath of the lizardoids including CJ)

100 nyc redneck  10/10/08 2:56:32 pm reply quote

re: #74 ploome hineni

this part of the article really pisses me off

and I wrote Krauthammer and told him


I see the above as the equivalent of people saying that islam is a grat religion of peace

/spit

no one wants to admit taqqiya of islam and OBAMA

you're exactly right.
krauthammer has NO idea how obama really feels abt. all these anti-american commie ideas espoused by his cohorts. he certainly has repeated several of them himself.
krauthammer should have noted that rather than give him a pass.
that was bull sh*t.

101 Irenike  10/10/08 2:56:36 pm reply quote

No matter whether Obama wins or loses, the liberal lefties will claim that racism is a problem.

If Obama wins (and I pray he doesn't), I will look my liberal friends in the eye, and say: "One good thing about Obama's presidency is that racism is finally a thing of the past." I will be amused by their initial spluttering reaction. But they will come up with an answer, however irrational. I predict it will be something like: "Well, there's still a lot of racism. I mean, look at all the blacks in poverty. And, Obama keeps getting criticized by the right wing, who are just a bunch of racists who hate him."

The left believes that all the evil "isms" will disappear when the world becomes a utopia. Since the world will never be a utopia (because it is made up of imperfect people) lefties will never have reason to give up their crusades, even when the facts contradict them. Even if nobody utters a single criticism against President Obama, he will screw things up so badly that his followers will end up blaming his failings on the Republicans. Mark my words: They will never accept personal responsibility, and they will never admit what a corrupt fuck-up Obama is, even when he invites the leaders of Hamas and Hezbolla over for a sleepover at the White House, after they admit to setting off a dirty bomb in Manhattan.

The only thing Obama can ever do to turn his fawning admirers against him is to talk like a Republican.

102 Ward Cleaver  10/10/08 2:57:10 pm reply quote

re: #97 Captkirk35

Sure. And in a Hip-Hop culture, he hits all the right notes. A lot of people recognize his pitch, and I think Obama tunes his pitch, and the words he uses, to manipulate this instinct. In this regard, he's brilliant.

He's slick in a way that Dr. Slick never was.

/wjc

103 Spirit93  10/10/08 2:57:13 pm reply quote

re: #54 Killgore Trout

I always find it ponderous that people think Obama is wicked smart. He seems of acceptable intelligence to me, not overly smart nor stupid. I can't think on an example of Obama's "first-class intellect".

I don't mean to jump on you, but did you mean preposterous?

104 Who Watches the Watchmen?  10/10/08 2:57:25 pm reply quote

I'M AS MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANY MORE!

/move along, nothing to see here

105 Killgore Trout  10/10/08 2:57:26 pm reply quote

re: #94 debutaunt

My kitten Zoe is a little over a year old. She's discovered how to get her paws under the covers and poke me all night.

106 ciaospirit  10/10/08 2:57:33 pm reply quote

re: #74 ploome hineni

How does CK know BHO doesn't share Wright's and Ayer's beliefs. CK states it as fact. Does he have some evidence to support that he knows this? CK should have used "may share" not "doesn't share". It looks more like he shares the beliefs than he doesn't. Sometimes I think CK is rooting for BHusseinO.

107 godfrey  10/10/08 2:57:44 pm reply quote
he's got political wisdom in spades

Not buying it. Obama is 90% "handled."

108 Ward Cleaver  10/10/08 2:58:02 pm reply quote

re: #91 txlady

has anyone any information about OBAMA's birth certificate?
I hear talk of him not having one. That is, not an american BC.

That topic is closed.

109 Outrider  10/10/08 2:58:26 pm reply quote

re: #6 godfrey

Who Obama pals around with is just as important as who wants to pal around with him. Birds of a feather...

Period.

Do you want your child hanging around with the school hoods or the honor students? Do you trust a neighbor that has a lot of thugs coming and going all day and night or a neighbor that has a neat, clean yard and respects his neighbors?

Why in the world is this any different? Of course a person is judged by the company he/she keeps and Obama simply has ~way~ too many shaky and shady associations throughout his entire life. A couple perhaps can be understood; but there is a consistent pattern of (to mainstream America) undesirable associations that have shaped and molded Obamas life from childhood, teen years, college years, early adulthood to present day involvement with politics.

It's a no brainer.

110 Racer X  10/10/08 2:58:34 pm reply quote

re: #84 Killgore Trout

OT: Sleeping With The Cat.

My cat does the exact same thing. Have to lock him out of the bedroom now in order to get some sleep.

111 debutaunt  10/10/08 2:58:39 pm reply quote

re: #105 Killgore Trout

My kitten Zoe is a little over a year old. She's discovered how to get her paws under the covers and poke me all night.

The video must have struck a familiar note then!

112 Ward Cleaver  10/10/08 2:58:41 pm reply quote

re: #106 ciaospirit

How does CK know BHO doesn't share Wright's and Ayer's beliefs. CK states it as fact. Does he have some evidence to support that he knows this? CK should have used "may share" not "doesn't share". It looks more like he shares the beliefs than he doesn't. Sometimes I think CK is rooting for BHusseinO.

Well, he sure doesn't like Palin.

113 QueenEsther  10/10/08 2:59:14 pm reply quote

Go to the Afrocentric Bookstore on S. King drive in Chicago. (Used to be located in Chicago's State of Illinois Building (!) and the DePaul music center) where you can find books about and by Obama, alongside books advocating the hatred of Jeremiah Wright and Louis Farrakhan. Quite a selection on white and Jew-hatred -- there you can read that the Jews were responsible for American slave trade, Jewish doctors inject black babies with AIDS, the government is supplying the drug dealers... So much ignorance, it is stupefying!

Do I think Obama is as corrupt as Rezko? Yes. Is he as "angry" a rascist as Reverend Wright - why should he be? Obama's been given every free ride and opportunity his entire life. As a matter of fact, socio-economically and any other way you cut it, the Bush years have been especially good to Barack Obama. And Ayers, too, for that matter.

My question is, WHY IS AYERS NOT IN NOT IN PRISON WHERE HE BELONGS?!?

114 Ward Cleaver  10/10/08 2:59:32 pm reply quote

re: #104 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I'M AS MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANY MORE!

/move along, nothing to see here

Is it raining where you are?

/head out the window, yelling

115 Dianna  10/10/08 2:59:33 pm reply quote

re: #84 Killgore Trout

Oh, my sides hurt!

Thank you!

116 WrathofG-d  10/10/08 2:59:47 pm reply quote

re: #101 Irenike

If the Republicans can have Abbas over, I don't see why Obama inviting Hamas or Hiz'b'allah to the White House would be so far fetched.

I wouldn't have actually considered it before your post, but....

117 opnion  10/10/08 3:00:05 pm reply quote

re: #95 Egfrow

So Far, I've been luke warm to Krauthhamer's presidential race commentary. He really is much better at foreign policy commentary than US domestics.

I agree with that. He is so tough on Sarah Palin becuse he is an elitist.
I will say this for Sarah Palin, while the left gets into the gutter to disparage she & her family & those that shoud defend her do not, she has remained strong & kept her honor intact.
Whatever happens in this election she is a winner

118 Ward Cleaver  10/10/08 3:00:09 pm reply quote

re: #113 QueenEsther

Go to the Afrocentric Bookstore on S. King drive in Chicago. (Used to be located in Chicago's State of Illinois Building (!) and the DePaul music center) where you can find books about and by Obama, alongside books advocating the hatred of Jeremiah Wright and Louis Farrakhan. Quite a selection on white and Jew-hatred -- there you can read that the Jews were responsible for American slave trade, Jewish doctors inject black babies with AIDS, the government is supplying the drug dealers... So much ignorance, it is stupefying!

Do I think Obama is as corrupt as Rezko? Yes. Is he as "angry" a rascist as Reverend Wright - why should he be? Obama's been given every free ride and opportunity his entire life. As a matter of fact, socio-economically and any other way you cut it, the Bush years have been especially good to Barack Obama. And Ayers, too, for that matter.

My question is, WHY IS AYERS NOT IN NOT IN PRISON WHERE HE BELONGS?!?

The prosecutors screwed up the case.

119 ciaospirit  10/10/08 3:00:45 pm reply quote

Anybody else think the Fannie/Freddie meltdown was a premeditated October surprise? It's just might put BHO in the winning column. Palin/McCain pointing out BHusseinO's sordid past may be too little too late, and it's being overshadowed by the financial mess.

120 WrathofG-d  10/10/08 3:01:01 pm reply quote

re: #118 Ward Cleaver

Well that wouldn't explain why he has a position teaching students at a University.

If that isn't a window in the "soul" of our society....

121 Ward Cleaver  10/10/08 3:01:16 pm reply quote

re: #117 opnion

I agree with that. He is so tough on Sarah Palin becuse he is an elitist.
I will say this for Sarah Palin, while the left gets into the gutter to disparage she & her family & those that shoud defend her do not, she has remained strong & kept her honor intact.
Whatever happens in this election she is a winner

She could go back to Alaska, head held high.

122 godfrey  10/10/08 3:01:30 pm reply quote

re: #109 Outrider

It is definitely a no-brainer, and that's reinforced by the fact that he has all these shady associations and is yet so young! So short a career, and yet so many bad characters! And we haven't reached the bottom of it!

I can expect, over the course of twenty-five years, that someone in politics would be forced now and then to make some compromises. But in fewer than five years? Obama seems to have gone out of his way to court the nasties.

He is bad news. It's plain as day.

123 Who Watches the Watchmen?  10/10/08 3:01:38 pm reply quote

re: #119 ciaospirit

Yes.

124 Soona'  10/10/08 3:01:48 pm reply quote

re: #98 Ward Cleaver

Hey, at least they took the rain out of the forecast. Moved it back to Monday.

I would kinda like to see this game some year in the mud, blood, and rain.

125 Killgore Trout  10/10/08 3:02:19 pm reply quote

re: #103 Spirit93

My bad.

126 Ward Cleaver  10/10/08 3:02:35 pm reply quote

re: #120 WrathofG-d

Well that wouldn't explain why he has a position teaching students at a University.

If that isn't a window in the "soul" of our society....

And people thought Ward Churchill was bad. He just runs his mouth. Ayers is an enemy of the state.

128 Captkirk35  10/10/08 3:03:54 pm reply quote

re: #102 Ward Cleaver

He puts Willie, and his bloated, red face and buffoon nose to shame.

129 WrathofG-d  10/10/08 3:04:00 pm reply quote

re: #126 Ward Cleaver

Scary part is that I believe most of the SDS and Weather Underground are now professors at Universities.

We have an Edward Said chair at Columbia (IIRC)
etc., etc., etc....

130 Ward Cleaver  10/10/08 3:04:04 pm reply quote

Well, gotta go. Must catch the start of Hugh Hewitt's show, to get the latest on Dean Barnett. His decline had leveled off as of yesterday.

Maybe see yez of the FNDT.

131 Soona'  10/10/08 3:04:10 pm reply quote

re: #113 QueenEsther

Go to the Afrocentric Bookstore on S. King drive in Chicago. (Used to be located in Chicago's State of Illinois Building (!) and the DePaul music center) where you can find books about and by Obama, alongside books advocating the hatred of Jeremiah Wright and Louis Farrakhan. Quite a selection on white and Jew-hatred -- there you can read that the Jews were responsible for American slave trade, Jewish doctors inject black babies with AIDS, the government is supplying the drug dealers... So much ignorance, it is stupefying!

Do I think Obama is as corrupt as Rezko? Yes. Is he as "angry" a rascist as Reverend Wright - why should he be? Obama's been given every free ride and opportunity his entire life. As a matter of fact, socio-economically and any other way you cut it, the Bush years have been especially good to Barack Obama. And Ayers, too, for that matter.

My question is, WHY IS AYERS NOT IN NOT IN PRISON WHERE HE BELONGS?!?

Did you hear Rush correlate Ayers and Timothy McVeigh today?

132 INFIDEL_ONE  10/10/08 3:04:13 pm reply quote

re: #63 Ojoe

'the Muslin call to prayer at evening is one of the most beautiful sounds on the planet' —0bama. Oh, and vote for me, America.

That in itself should raise a thousand red flags about this pretender

133 ploome hineni  10/10/08 3:04:29 pm reply quote

re: #29 godfrey

Yes, of course. You want the US to set up a welfare system for the entire planet?

you OWE them

because you are white

and you live in a law abiding society, where the garbage gets picked up twice a week

134 godfrey  10/10/08 3:04:33 pm reply quote

I'm still curious about the possiblity of President Obama being denied a security clearance. Yes, it's inconceivable to deny the President a security clearance. But what if a President is elected despite incontrovertible evidence as to his being a risk? What is the ethical duty of the intelligence service, in that circumstance?

An Obama presidency would force us into deeply problematic areas. He had no business putting himself forward as a candidate. He is a talented narcissist, but that is not enough.

135 debutaunt  10/10/08 3:04:42 pm reply quote

All the towering intellects in DC have gotten us to this point in our financial history - way to go.

136 Outrider  10/10/08 3:04:44 pm reply quote

re: #103 Spirit93

re: #54 Killgore Trout

I always find it ponderous that people think Obama is wicked smart. He seems of acceptable intelligence to me, not overly smart nor stupid. I can't think on an example of Obama's "first-class intellect".

I don't mean to jump on you, but did you mean preposterous?

I can find no example anywhere of a "first-class intellect" or even "wicked smart". Probably the best I can come up with is a certain cunning and slyness. He doesn't think well on his feet and his ability to critically analyze statements on the move is absent.

137 pre-Boomer Marine brat  10/10/08 3:04:45 pm reply quote

re: #84 Killgore Trout

OT: Sleeping With The Cat.

LOL!
GODDESS, are you here? Did you see this?

138 nyc redneck  10/10/08 3:04:50 pm reply quote

re: #117 opnion

I agree with that. He is so tough on Sarah Palin becuse he is an elitist.
I will say this for Sarah Palin, while the left gets into the gutter to disparage she & her family & those that shoud defend her do not, she has remained strong & kept her honor intact.
Whatever happens in this election she is a winner

she is who she is.
and she knows who she is.
she doesn't need the approval of those assholes.

139 Wishing  10/10/08 3:04:54 pm reply quote

re: #119 ciaospirit

Anybody else think the Fannie/Freddie meltdown was a premeditated October surprise? It's just might put BHO in the winning column. Palin/McCain pointing out BHusseinO's sordid past may be too little too late, and it's being overshadowed by the financial mess.

The financial mess IS BO's sordid past.

140 opnion  10/10/08 3:06:24 pm reply quote

re: #113 QueenEsther

Go to the Afrocentric Bookstore on S. King drive in Chicago. (Used to be located in Chicago's State of Illinois Building (!) and the DePaul music center) where you can find books about and by Obama, alongside books advocating the hatred of Jeremiah Wright and Louis Farrakhan. Quite a selection on white and Jew-hatred -- there you can read that the Jews were responsible for American slave trade, Jewish doctors inject black babies with AIDS, the government is supplying the drug dealers... So much ignorance, it is stupefying!

Do I think Obama is as corrupt as Rezko? Yes. Is he as "angry" a rascist as Reverend Wright - why should he be? Obama's been given every free ride and opportunity his entire life. As a matter of fact, socio-economically and any other way you cut it, the Bush years have been especially good to Barack Obama. And Ayers, too, for that matter.

My question is, WHY IS AYERS NOT IN NOT IN PRISON WHERE HE BELONGS?!?

Obama & his wife both come of bitter to me. He just doesn't scowl as much. They have been handed so much in the form of set asides & yet are full of resentment. I know that they have some White radical friends , but at heart I believe that they are both racist.
They drove about 8 miles on Sunday, past Christian Churches to get to the hate rally at Trinity

141 taxfreekiller  10/10/08 3:06:53 pm reply quote

Ayers is free.

A "traitor" who met with the VC and NVA in Paris during combat operations and worked against the United States of America, John F. Kerry sits , a national sore, in our U.S. Senate.

There are many things the liberal Democrats have done that are crimes,
but the msm sets them fee by lies and fraud.

With out the msm running cover for them all, all of them would be former "jail birds" or still locked up like they should be.

Look at the cause, the evil has been done, they are free, the question is why are these evil people still free, and the msm is there before you evil still and attempting by there every move, every word, every deed to get this full blown loon commie elected Pres. of the U.S.A.

they are the evil, put the blame where it belongs, AP, CBS, ABC, NBC, PBS, NYT, LAT, all of them guilty as sin

142 jorline  10/10/08 3:07:03 pm reply quote

re: #76 CyanSnowHawk

Well it's about time somebody did, they keep getting into stuff they're not supposed to.

Barack would gather more of the youth vote if he changes his name to
Barack "X-Box" Obama.

143 opnion  10/10/08 3:07:31 pm reply quote

re: #121 Ward Cleaver

She could go back to Alaska, head held high.


True & if she chooses we will hear from her again.

144 Captkirk35  10/10/08 3:08:42 pm reply quote

re: #134 godfrey

The problem with this reasoning is that Obama has a 'D' next to his name. If it was the Republican with this problem, it would absolutely be an real issue. The 5th Column controls the agenda. If it matters to them, they make it an issue. If it goes against their agenda, it's ignored.

145 Outrider  10/10/08 3:09:00 pm reply quote

re: #122 godfrey

It is definitely a no-brainer, and that's reinforced by the fact that he has all these shady associations and is yet so young! So short a career, and yet so many bad characters! And we haven't reached the bottom of it!

I can expect, over the course of twenty-five years, that someone in politics would be forced now and then to make some compromises. But in fewer than five years? Obama seems to have gone out of his way to court the nasties.

He is bad news. It's plain as day.

My opinion only and backed merely by anecdotal information is he is as bought and paid for as the loaf of bread I bought last night. And like that loaf of bread he will be eaten up before it's shelf life expires.

146 GeeWiz  10/10/08 3:09:36 pm reply quote

re: #22 zato

Kinda says it all! And with that I wish you all a very good night!

147 Adrenalyn  10/10/08 3:09:51 pm reply quote

re: #139 Wishing

The financial mess IS BO's sordid past.

that or it is simply panic in the market that HE may win
and they fear their livelihoods and paychecks
would be greatly diminished

but I really think your idea is better than mine
I just don't know which is more plausible

148 Ringo the Gringo  10/10/08 3:10:15 pm reply quote
Had any white presidential candidate had a close 20-year association with a white preacher overtly spreading race hatred from the pulpit, that candidate would have been not just universally denounced and deemed unfit for office but written out of polite society entirely.

-----

If a Republican candidate had launched his political career at the home of an abortion-clinic bomber -- even a repentant one -- he would not have been able to run for dogcatcher in Podunk


The difference, regarding Rev. Wright, is that on the Left, racial hatred is considered acceptable when it comes from a black person. In fact, it's considered a sign of sophistication to understand black racism.

And regarding Ayers; well, frankly "60's radicalism" has been so glamorized by pop culture that Ayers having been a "militant activist" back in the 60's is considered cool.

It's a sad state of affairs.....and you can blame Hollywood and academia for it.

149 Outrider  10/10/08 3:11:34 pm reply quote

re: #141 taxfreekiller

...worked against the United States of America, John F. Kerry sits , a national sore,...

What? Not your normal John Effen Kerry? ;-)>

150 Killgore Trout  10/10/08 3:11:34 pm reply quote

re: #134 godfrey

I'm still curious about the possiblity of President Obama being denied a security clearance. Yes, it's inconceivable to deny the President a security clearance. But what if a President is elected despite incontrovertible evidence as to his being a risk? What is the ethical duty of the intelligence service, in that circumstance?

There's a different standard for security clearances for top-dogs. Little guys can get security denied or revoked for affairs, drug use, secret gay sex, etc. because they open themselves up to blackmail. But, a Bill (and JFK) demonstrated, the bar for presidents isn't that high.

151 godfrey  10/10/08 3:11:51 pm reply quote

re: #144 Captkirk35

The MSM is in financial trouble and its viewership/readership is declining.

A lot could change in this country if all of us were to force our local newspapers to stop parroting AP/UPI and get back to reporting local news, which is a serious void. What would this accomplish? It would dry up the source of a lot of bias. It would put journalists to actual work, about things they can actually report reliably on. Kill the TV networks, too.

All of this would force ideas to compete more. In that arena, totalitarians and sheisters have little chance. That's good for free people.

152 FrogMarch  10/10/08 3:12:26 pm reply quote

re: #105 Killgore Trout

My kitten Zoe is a little over a year old. She's discovered how to get her paws under the covers and poke me all night.

Cute. I love their little paws. Even though each paw is equipped with 5 scalpels.

153 opnion  10/10/08 3:12:33 pm reply quote

re: #145 Outrider

My opinion only and backed merely by anecdotal information is he is as bought and paid for as the loaf of bread I bought last night. And like that loaf of bread he will be eaten up before it's shelf life expires.


If I read you , I think that you are correct, ther are powerful, nasty people behind Barry. The wild card though is Michell, Barry seems like one of the more whipped guys that I have ever seen. She may ultimately run things & The guys who paid for him could get stiffed.

154 Killgore Trout  10/10/08 3:12:33 pm reply quote

re: #137 pre-Boomer Marine brat

So many people liked that one that I think I'll add it to the spinoffs.

155 pre-Boomer Marine brat  10/10/08 3:12:37 pm reply quote

Goddess, Killgore's link from #84 is in your e-mail inbox.

/suppressing further comment, based upon desire to live

156 Who Watches the Watchmen?  10/10/08 3:12:44 pm reply quote
157 goddessoftheclassroom  10/10/08 3:12:50 pm reply quote

re: #137 pre-Boomer Marine brat

LOL!
GODDESS, are you here? Did you see this?

I just finished watching it! It's a keeper!

158 offendi  10/10/08 3:12:55 pm reply quote

As someone who is voting for McCain I think we have to note what he is not. People voted for Reagan despite his age due to his personal charm and consistency on issues and values. McCain has been all over the place and addresses people in a debate using "my friends", like an old fart.

Otherwise the Obama b.s. artist would not have a chance. The solution is sending out Mitt, Rudy, and Sarah, and stating they will be members of a McCain administration if he is elected. If McCain thinks he is gentlemanly discussing bills on the Senate floor like he did in the last debate he is on the way to an American Express " do you remember me? " ad.

159 lawhawk  10/10/08 3:13:11 pm reply quote

re: #7 gop_patriot

The associations go to Obama's character and fitness and judgment on who to associate with. If he thinks nothing of associating with terrorists, racists, and criminal elements, how exactly is anyone to believe that he will carry out his duty to protect and defend the nation from threats foreign and domestic. Clearly, he doesn't think domestic terrorism is a threat - why else consort with a known terrorist (albeit one that the Chicago political machine and academia have mainstreamed).

160 godfrey  10/10/08 3:13:36 pm reply quote

re: #150 Killgore Trout

Then I disagree with that. The President isn't a Tsar. His powers are limited. Why shouldn't he (whatever) be subject to similar scrutiny? The possibility for damage from his quarter is very, very large.

161 mailmars  10/10/08 3:14:08 pm reply quote

re: #8 willowone

He is not energetic, yet McCain seems to manage strategy, look at Ads coming out, he might be building to the final crescendo. 2 1/2 weeks left can't you sense the building of the case?

No...

162 Killgore Trout  10/10/08 3:14:17 pm reply quote

re: #152 FrogMarch

I had a dream once that little fuzzy caterpillars were trying to burrow under my skin.

163 pre-Boomer Marine brat  10/10/08 3:14:31 pm reply quote

re: #154 Killgore Trout

So many people liked that one that I think I'll add it to the spinoffs.

THANK YOU for posting it! I had a cat for about 14 years. It brought back memories.

164 godfrey  10/10/08 3:14:40 pm reply quote

re: #158 offendi

If McCain thinks he is gentlemanly discussing bills on the Senate floor like he did in the last debate he is on the way to an American Express " do you remember me? " ad.

Ouch.

McCain team, are you listening?

165 Killgore Trout  10/10/08 3:14:58 pm reply quote

re: #160 godfrey

I agree.

166 Outrider  10/10/08 3:14:59 pm reply quote

re: #151 godfrey

The MSM is in financial trouble and its viewership/readership is declining.

A lot could change in this country if all of us were to force our local newspapers to stop parroting AP/UPI and get back to reporting local news, which is a serious void. What would this accomplish? It would dry up the source of a lot of bias. It would put journalists to actual work, about things they can actually report reliably on. Kill the TV networks, too.

All of this would force ideas to compete more. In that arena, totalitarians and sheisters have little chance. That's good for free people.

Perhaps they could go back to being reporters and not journalists, all dreaming of the Pulitzer Prize for Journalism. Being reporters they would report the news and not write it like they are writing the Great American Novel with their opinions tossed in to create and "interesting read".

167 Dianna  10/10/08 3:15:09 pm reply quote

re: #154 Killgore Trout

Please, do!

In the face of everything we've had thrown at us in the past few weeks, we need to laugh.

168 jorline  10/10/08 3:15:14 pm reply quote

re: #84 Killgore Trout

OT: Sleeping With The Cat.

ding...LMAO

169 Wishing  10/10/08 3:15:39 pm reply quote

re: #147 Adrenalyn

that or it is simply panic in the market that HE may win
and they fear their livelihoods and paychecks
would be greatly diminished

but I really think your idea is better than mine
I just don't know which is more plausible

I think we are both right
/channeling McCain

170 West Coast Freedom  10/10/08 3:15:46 pm reply quote

re: #32 jamgarr

The nose

171 yochanan  10/10/08 3:15:55 pm reply quote

re: #121 Ward Cleaver

She could go back to Alaska, head held high.

I AM TOTALLY IMPRESSED WITH GOV'R SARAH PALIN
remember she is only 44 she can only go up in the GOP.

I ♥ GOV'R PALIN

172 Who Watches the Watchmen?  10/10/08 3:16:01 pm reply quote

McCain live rally in MN now. McCain talking about Obama's truthiness or lack thereof.

173 sattv4u2  10/10/08 3:16:26 pm reply quote

re: #150 Killgore Trout

But, a Bill (and JFK) demonstrated, the bar for presidents isn't that high.
and Teddy demonstarted there wasn;t a bar he could pass by!

174 goddessoftheclassroom  10/10/08 3:16:32 pm reply quote

re: #163 pre-Boomer Marine brat

THANK YOU for posting it! I had a cat for about 14 years. It brought back memories.

AHA! I KNEW IT!

Just because this is so cute

175 pre-Boomer Marine brat  10/10/08 3:17:31 pm reply quote

re: #157 goddessoftheclassroom

I just finished watching it! It's a keeper!

It's wonderful!

Don't know if it was you whom I told -- my ex woke up one night. She'd been sleeping with one arm thrown up above her head, over the pillow. The Cat was laying with her nose right in my ex's armpit, purring!

176 debutaunt  10/10/08 3:17:35 pm reply quote

re: #171 yochanan

I AM TOTALLY IMPRESSED WITH GOV'R SARAH PALIN
remember she is only 44 she can only go up in the GOP.

I ♥ GOV'R PALIN



She's fresh air after all the BS artists in DC have tried to do us in.

177 Silhouette  10/10/08 3:17:45 pm reply quote

re: #131 Soona'

Did you hear Rush correlate Ayers and Timothy McVeigh today?

The only two differences between them is that McVeigh only set off one bomb, compared to Ayers' many. And that Ayers' biggest attempt at mass murder failed while making the bomb, not for lack of intent. He planned on killing huge numbers with a bomb designed to sent projectiles ripping through human flesh.

178 arethusa  10/10/08 3:17:45 pm reply quote

Does anyone know if the Tasergate legislative investigation report has been released yet?

179 Captkirk35  10/10/08 3:17:54 pm reply quote

re: #151 godfrey


I don't think they're smart or nimble enough, and local rags are, for the most part, in the same echo chamber. Are only respite is alternative media. Thank God for it! Watch the Left go after the Fairness Doctrine with all they've got in an Obama world. They know it's our only chance, and it will be targeted for destruction.

180 Who Watches the Watchmen?  10/10/08 3:18:06 pm reply quote

CNN is giving ACORN a lot of coverage. There's a video story about bogus registrations in Indiana.

181 debutaunt  10/10/08 3:18:12 pm reply quote

re: #173 sattv4u2

But, a Bill (and JFK) demonstrated, the bar for presidents isn't that high.
and Teddy demonstarted there wasn;t a bar he could pass by!

hahahahahahhahahaaa

182 goddessoftheclassroom  10/10/08 3:18:45 pm reply quote

re: #175 pre-Boomer Marine brat

It's wonderful!

Don't know if it was you whom I told -- my ex woke up one night. She'd been sleeping with one arm thrown up above her head, over the pillow. The Cat was laying with her nose right in my ex's armpit, purring!

LOL!

The other day a Lizard (sorry, I can't remember which!) referred to her cat scaling Mt. MommyButt--I still giggle at that!

183 pre-Boomer Marine brat  10/10/08 3:19:05 pm reply quote

re: #174 goddessoftheclassroom

AHA! I KNEW IT!

Just because this is so cute

AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!

184 opnion  10/10/08 3:19:24 pm reply quote

re: #158 offendi

As someone who is voting for McCain I think we have to note what he is not. People voted for Reagan despite his age due to his personal charm and consistency on issues and values. McCain has been all over the place and addresses people in a debate using "my friends", like an old fart.

Otherwise the Obama b.s. artist would not have a chance. The solution is sending out Mitt, Rudy, and Sarah, and stating they will be members of a McCain administration if he is elected. If McCain thinks he is gentlemanly discussing bills on the Senate floor like he did in the last debate he is on the way to an American Express " do you remember me? " ad.


Bingo! McCain is a whole nother thing than Regan. The Gipper smiled, but had no illusions about his enemies, he just defeated them.
McCain has been called out by Barry, for God sake!. He has to turn to him in the next debate & rip him to shreds.
Stop, the My Friends crap & the two thumbs up., this is not a Jimmy Stewart black & white.

185 yochanan  10/10/08 3:19:28 pm reply quote

re: #84 Killgore Trout

OT: Sleeping With The Cat.

I WOULD SAY YOU GOT TO KEEP THAT PUSSEY AWAY FROM STARF**KS

186 godfrey  10/10/08 3:19:34 pm reply quote

Yoch

I admit I had doubts about Palin, but her interview with Greta a few nights ago was as assured, competent, and incisive as any I have ever seen. I have experience dealing with executives in public office, and I know a good one when I see one. She's a good one. I sense clearly where she's coming from, and what she would want to do. She's firmly on the side of regular people trying to make a living, and she knows how government can screw it up for them. If we want our country to be free and prosperous, we'd have fewer better allies in public service than the likes of Gov. Palin. She's made of sterling.

187 Outrider  10/10/08 3:19:36 pm reply quote

re: #153 opnion

If I read you , I think that you are correct, ther are powerful, nasty people behind Barry. The wild card though is Michell, Barry seems like one of the more whipped guys that I have ever seen. She may ultimately run things & The guys who paid for him could get stiffed.

That's because he is Whipped!

188 Captkirk35  10/10/08 3:19:48 pm reply quote

are == our

189 pre-Boomer Marine brat  10/10/08 3:20:34 pm reply quote

re: #182 goddessoftheclassroom

LOL!

The other day a Lizard (sorry, I can't remember which!) referred to her cat scaling Mt. MommyButt--I still giggle at that!

LOL! I think we should leave the lizard's identity unacknowledged.

190 Eowyn2  10/10/08 3:20:42 pm reply quote

re: #21 godfrey

I completely agree. I see no evidence of serious intelligence in Obama. All I see is "borrowed" intelligence. What has the man ever applied his intelligence to? What has he built? Superintended? Created? Risked?

Nothing.


disagree. He was intelligent enough to surround himself with strong arm MEN with money.

191 Wishing  10/10/08 3:21:24 pm reply quote

CNN just did a piece saying that Todd Palin messes in *state affairs* lol they are desperate

192 HoosierHoops  10/10/08 3:21:43 pm reply quote

re: #174 goddessoftheclassroom

AHA! I KNEW IT!

Just because this is so cute

Well finally..a cute cat picture...
running and ducking..
no no no not the skillet goddess!
ouch!
/LOL

193 arethusa  10/10/08 3:21:48 pm reply quote

I think Christopher Buckley is serious in this column (I can never tell with him). But the quote "But having a first-class temperament and a first-class intellect, President Obama will (I pray, secularly) surely understand that traditional left-politics aren’t going to get us out of this pit we’ve dug for ourselves. If he raises taxes and throws up tariff walls and opens the coffers of the DNC to bribe-money from the special interest groups against whom he has (somewhat disingenuously) railed during the campaign trail, then he will almost certainly reap a whirlwind that will make Katrina look like a balmy summer zephyr.," makes me think Buckley's mocking Krauthammer a tad.

194 Outrider  10/10/08 3:22:03 pm reply quote

re: #190 Eowyn2

disagree. He was intelligent enough to surround himself with strong arm MEN with money.

Not intelligent. Cunning.

195 reine.de.tout  10/10/08 3:22:32 pm reply quote

re: #84 Killgore Trout

OT: Sleeping With The Cat.

too funny!
We have a cat that sleeps with us - he leaves me completely alone, but walks all over the Roi all night long.

196 opnion  10/10/08 3:22:44 pm reply quote

re: #187 Outrider

That's because he is Whipped!

I'll bet that she slaps the snot out of him.

197 HoosierHoops  10/10/08 3:23:28 pm reply quote

re: #181 debutaunt

hahahahahahhahahaaa

Are you denying the right for dead hoosiers to vote?
Racist!
/heh

198 Killian Bundy  10/10/08 3:23:34 pm reply quote

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHY THE [EXPLETIVE DELETED] JOHN McCAIN IS HOLDING A TOWN MEETING IN MINNESOTA TODAY, WHERE HE'S LIKE 18 POINTS BEHIND?

McCain diddles while all the battleground States burn.

/there's only 25 days left, is his campaign on drugs?

199 Eowyn2  10/10/08 3:23:38 pm reply quote

o/t
posted this at the end of one of the previous threads. dont know which one. in and out.

Pass this along to all the naturalists you know

[Link: www.organicconsumers.org...]

Obama for GMOs?

200 debutaunt  10/10/08 3:23:56 pm reply quote

re: #195 reine.de.tout

too funny!
We have a cat that sleeps with us - he leaves me completely alone, but walks all over the Roi all night long.

I can imagine the queen putting a dab of pate on the king's neck.

201 Eowyn2  10/10/08 3:24:54 pm reply quote

re: #191 Wishing

CNN just did a piece saying that Todd Palin messes in *state affairs* lol they are desperate


unlike hillary who messed in federal affairs?

202 debutaunt  10/10/08 3:25:17 pm reply quote

re: #197 HoosierHoops

Are you denying the right for dead hoosiers to vote?
Racist!
/heh

"demonstarted" - what a great brand new word!

203 arethusa  10/10/08 3:25:22 pm reply quote

re: #198 Killian Bundy

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHY THE [EXPLETIVE DELETED] JOHN McCAIN IS HOLDING A TOWN MEETING IN MINNESOTA TODAY, WHERE HE'S LIKE 18 POINTS BEHIND?

He's not 18 points behind. That Star-Tribune poll was seriously flawed. A SurveyUSA poll has him up by one. And presumably his internal polls say MN is winnable.

In fact, it gives me confidence that he's not spending all his time in battleground states, but can campaign in more marginal states.

204 gop_patriot  10/10/08 3:25:29 pm reply quote

re: #159 lawhawk

Oh absolutely. The "No" was Charles Krauthammer's, not mine, in case I messed up the formatting or something and made it unclear...

My main point in that particular comment was that Krauthammer said he didn't think Obama was as bad as these guys and I was saying that I think that he is (amended slightly in my #17).

205 Killgore Trout  10/10/08 3:25:50 pm reply quote

re: #198 Killian Bundy

He could be boring people in other states but it wouldn't make much difference.

206 Eowyn2  10/10/08 3:26:07 pm reply quote

re: #194 Outrider

Not intelligent. Cunning.


my bad

I really despise people who think they are soooooo much smarter than the average Joe when all they are is more devious.

207 willowone  10/10/08 3:26:30 pm reply quote

re: #161 mailmars
Maybe we will have to disagree. What i have seen is Palin making a case as VP does, McCain bringing the back-up, it being said publically where our concerns and collective knowledge is being addressed in Townhall meetings, reporters are starting to record it. to late i hope not. but Time is not out yet. and i expect much more to be said.

208 Wishing  10/10/08 3:26:48 pm reply quote

re: #201 Eowyn2

unlike hillary who messed in federal affairs?

They are frantic trying to find SOME way to get the heat off their guy.
Here is why

209 Killian Bundy  10/10/08 3:27:30 pm reply quote

re: #203 arethusa

In fact, it gives me confidence that he's not spending all his time in battleground states, but can campaign in more marginal states.

There's not a chance in Hell McCain's going to take Minnesota.

/trust me, I live here

210 goddessoftheclassroom  10/10/08 3:27:42 pm reply quote

re: #192 HoosierHoops

Well finally..a cute cat picture...
running and ducking..
no no no not the skillet goddess!
ouch!
/LOL

(glaring) They're ALL cute.I hope Charles never needs this...

212 Eowyn2  10/10/08 3:28:29 pm reply quote

re: #198 Killian Bundy

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHY THE [EXPLETIVE DELETED] JOHN McCAIN IS HOLDING A TOWN MEETING IN MINNESOTA TODAY, WHERE HE'S LIKE 18 POINTS BEHIND?

McCain diddles while all the battleground States burn.

/there's only 25 days left, is his campaign on drugs?

no state is won, or lost, until the fat lady sings. If Minnesota only has the requisite 100% of qualified voters registered, that would be an eaisier mark than the 105% in some other states.

213 arethusa  10/10/08 3:29:15 pm reply quote

re: #209 Killian Bundy

There's not a chance in Hell McCain's going to take Minnesota.

/trust me, I live here

Me, too. I'm not saying he will, I'm saying he thinks he has a chance, for some reason. This is also part of the withdrawing-from-Michigan strategy; losing Michigan means trying to take MN and WI instead.

214 Ringo the Gringo  10/10/08 3:29:17 pm reply quote

McCain needs to take some advice from Sand Monkey.

215 pre-Boomer Marine brat  10/10/08 3:30:19 pm reply quote

re: #210 goddessoftheclassroom

(glaring) They're ALL cute.I hope Charles never needs this...

LOL!

216 Dianna  10/10/08 3:30:39 pm reply quote

re: #182 goddessoftheclassroom

LOL!

The other day a Lizard (sorry, I can't remember which!) referred to her cat scaling Mt. MommyButt--I still giggle at that!

'Twas me, Goddess. Justin scales Mt. MommyButt and contemplates his future triumphs.

My Male's threatening to take a picture and submit it.

I have countered by reminding him of the picture of Justin, which would be captioned either: Hey, Dad! Guess where my paw is?! or (scarier) "Turn your head and cough."

217 Eowyn2  10/10/08 3:30:50 pm reply quote

re: #208 Wishing

They are frantic trying to find SOME way to get the heat off their guy.
Here is why

I'm kind of nervous about putting the McCain/Palin sign on my front yard. I dont know the neighbors very well and it is in a lower middle class/ upper lower class neighborhood. I dont want to replace the large windows in the sunporch with winter coming on.

218 sattv4u2  10/10/08 3:30:57 pm reply quote

re: #209 Killian Bundy

There's not a chance in Hell McCain's going to take Minnesota.

/trust me, I live here

please don;t also tell me Al (Stuart Smalley) Franken is going to win too

219 opnion  10/10/08 3:31:05 pm reply quote

re: #198 Killian Bundy

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHY THE [EXPLETIVE DELETED] JOHN McCAIN IS HOLDING A TOWN MEETING IN MINNESOTA TODAY, WHERE HE'S LIKE 18 POINTS BEHIND?

McCain diddles while all the battleground States burn.

/there's only 25 days left, is his campaign on drugs?

Because he is a horse shit candidate. This is why the MSM pushed him so hard. If he did not have Sarah Palin, this thing would be over.
Somehow , he has to figure a way to win,& my friends , the clock is ticking.

220 offendi  10/10/08 3:31:23 pm reply quote

As McCain is an American Patriot I cannot believe he fails to understand the consequences to this country if he loses. Yet he continues in the same sleepy senatorial way. Imagine Obama dealing with terrorism, Putin, Ahmadinejad. Redistributing wealth to people who pay no taxes anyway at the expense of re-growing our economy.

If McCain loses he should be drummed out of the republican party and made an "independent" so he and Joe Lieberman can hold hands.

221 Kolbe  10/10/08 3:31:26 pm reply quote

I don't know if anyone has brought this up, but it seems to me that we need to reframe the Ayers question. We need to ask why do Ayers, Farahkan, Wright, etc., support Obama instead of merely giving evidence of Obama's links to them. Ask "Why did Ayers launch Obama's political career from his own living room? Why does Farahkan call him the Messiah?" Obviously because these radicals believe that Obama will promote their agenda. This switch in emphasis simply neutralizes Obama's "I was only 8 years old when he committed the crimes" defense.

222 calcajun  10/10/08 3:31:52 pm reply quote

re: #1 pat

Only Republicans can have bad friends.

If BHO wins, Republicans will BE bad friends. We will be the political equivalent of lepers--or Jews at a WASP-run country-club. That might be the only saving grace--that we get to act like Al Cervick to BHO's Judge Smails.

223 HoosierHoops  10/10/08 3:31:53 pm reply quote

re: #210 goddessoftheclassroom

(glaring) They're ALL cute.I hope Charles never needs this...


Just teasing you my friend....They are all cute pictures...

224 goddessoftheclassroom  10/10/08 3:32:03 pm reply quote

re: #216 Dianna

'Twas me, Goddess. Justin scales Mt. MommyButt and contemplates his future triumphs.

My Male's threatening to take a picture and submit it.

I have countered by reminding him of the picture of Justin, which would be captioned either: Hey, Dad! Guess where my paw is?! or (scarier) "Turn your head and cough."

{Dianna}
Oh, how I love that description!

225 sattv4u2  10/10/08 3:32:06 pm reply quote

re: #214 Ringo the Gringo

McCain needs to take some advice from Sand Monkey.

He needs to come out hitting more like the TRUNK MONKEY
[Link: www.trunkmonkey.com...]

226 pre-Boomer Marine brat  10/10/08 3:32:28 pm reply quote

re: #216 Dianna

'Twas me, Goddess. Justin scales Mt. MommyButt and contemplates his future triumphs.

My Male's threatening to take a picture and submit it.

I have countered by reminding him of the picture of Justin, which would be captioned either: Hey, Dad! Guess where my paw is?! or (scarier) "Turn your head and cough."

OMG, I don't even want to think about that!

227 Killian Bundy  10/10/08 3:32:31 pm reply quote

re: #212 Eowyn2

no state is won, or lost, until the fat lady sings.

/Ronald Reagan couldn't even carry Minnesota

228 godfrey  10/10/08 3:32:33 pm reply quote

kolbe

Get your ass immediately into the McCain campaign.

229 sparrowlake  10/10/08 3:32:34 pm reply quote

"written out of polite society entirely"

GAZE

230 Daisy  10/10/08 3:32:34 pm reply quote

I tried, and failed, to add this as a link above (could it be the combo of Mac and Firefox?!) American Thinker has an article alleging Bill Ayers wrote "Dreams From My Father" the book that is used as standard evidence of Obama's high intellect. Looks like his terrorist buddy has the better intellect of the two. [Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

The article is very persuasive .. make sure you read Obama's poem. It's really awful.

231 goddessoftheclassroom  10/10/08 3:33:05 pm reply quote

re: #223 HoosierHoops

Just teasing you my friend....They are all cute pictures...

Oh, I know you're teasing! That's why I'm "glaring"!

233 ploome hineni  10/10/08 3:33:08 pm reply quote

re: #106 ciaospirit

How does CK know BHO doesn't share Wright's and Ayer's beliefs. CK states it as fact. Does he have some evidence to support that he knows this? CK should have used "may share" not "doesn't share". It looks more like he shares the beliefs than he doesn't. Sometimes I think CK is rooting for BHusseinO.

it seems to be the position to take

from Bush.......his ROP bullshit

to McCain..wants his supportrs to be RESPECTFUL towards Obama

I AM BEGINNING TO HATE MCCAIN

HE IS GETTING THAT POS OBAMA ELECTED

234 Salem  10/10/08 3:33:51 pm reply quote

If McCain loses this, Republicans will hate on him as much as Obomba himself. And they'll be correct. If he wins, it will be in spite of his efforts. Just today, he's advising his supporters not to "be afraid" of an Obomba presidency. That has to be a first in political history that a candidate tells the people not to be afraid if his opponent wins. He added that his supporters need to "be respectful". Up yours, Uncle Creepy. Your opponent deserves no respect when his media thralls are going through garbage cans in Alaska, his handlers are eye-deep in the financial crisis while blaming it on your party and his Acorn thugs are stealing the election right in broad daylight.

John McCain sucks!

235 JacksonTn  10/10/08 3:33:55 pm reply quote

This is a youtube from a black guy from Chicago ....... it was during the primary ..... I think this guy knows a little about Barack ...... blacks know about him ..... they will just not come out and say what they think ...... they are afraid of telling the truth .......

236 Dianna  10/10/08 3:34:28 pm reply quote

Time to head for home, lizards!

Take care!

237 Daisy  10/10/08 3:34:28 pm reply quote

Here's an awful poem of Obama's printed in 1981:

Under water grottos, caverns

Filled with apes

That eat figs.

Stepping on the figs

That the apes

Eat, they crunch.

The apes howl, bare

Their fangs, dance . . .

238 Killgore Trout  10/10/08 3:34:35 pm reply quote

re: #221 Kolbe

I think the Ayers thing is a dead horse. The public doesn't care and/or doesn't know about it. McCain could change this by speaking about it but he won't.

239 offendi  10/10/08 3:35:08 pm reply quote

re: #217 Eowyn2

I'm kind of nervous about putting the McCain/Palin sign on my front yard. I dont know the neighbors very well and it is in a lower middle class/ upper lower class neighborhood. I dont want to replace the large windows in the sunporch with winter coming on.

A sad post because it shows the quality and intellect of Obama supporters. Maybe they will dress up in paramillitary gear and chant Obama slogans in front of your house too like that video.

240 Killian Bundy  10/10/08 3:35:12 pm reply quote

re: #218 sattv4u2

please don;t also tell me Al (Stuart Smalley) Franken is going to win too

Coleman's still ahead and he'll probably win because no one really likes Franken.

/but it'll be real close

241 Silhouette  10/10/08 3:35:13 pm reply quote

re: #221 Kolbe

reframe the Ayers question. We need to ask why do Ayers, Farahkan, Wright, etc., support Obama

You are right.

We've touched on it, but it is an important viewpoint. What is it about Obama that draws the praise, admiration, and support of Marxist, America haters, racists, Hamas, Hezb'allah, foreign dictators, domestic terrorists, and financial criminals?

People who openly wish for the downfall of America want Obama.

242 debutaunt  10/10/08 3:35:40 pm reply quote

re: #234 Salem

If McCain loses this, Republicans will hate on him as much as Obomba himself. And they'll be correct. If he wins, it will be in spite of his efforts. Just today, he's advising his supporters not to "be afraid" of an Obomba presidency. That has to be a first in political history that a candidate tells the people not to be afraid if his opponent wins. He added that his supporters need to "be respectful". Up yours, Uncle Creepy. Your opponent deserves no respect when his media thralls are going through garbage cans in Alaska, his handlers are eye-deep in the financial crisis while blaming it on your party and his Acorn thugs are stealing the election right in broad daylight.

John McCain sucks!

Only one of the four candidates is on our side.

243 godfrey  10/10/08 3:35:47 pm reply quote

re: #234 Salem

Just today, he's advising his supporters not to "be afraid" of an Obomba presidency.

WHAT?!?!

244 sattv4u2  10/10/08 3:36:05 pm reply quote

re: #238 Killgore Trout

I think the Ayers thing is a dead horse. The public doesn't care and/or doesn't know about it. McCain could change this by speaking about it but he won't.

he's been speaking about it all week, but too little too late. It now looks like he's desperate (which I imagine he must feel) by bringing it up now.

245 sattv4u2  10/10/08 3:36:28 pm reply quote

re: #240 Killian Bundy

Coleman's still ahead and he'll probably win because no one really likes Franken.

/but it'll be real close

I pray for you

246 opnion  10/10/08 3:36:32 pm reply quote

re: #227 Killian Bundy

/Ronald Reagan couldn't even carry Minnesota

247 Salem  10/10/08 3:36:40 pm reply quote

re: #243 godfrey

WHAT?!?!

Yep, The crowd booed him!

248 jorline  10/10/08 3:36:48 pm reply quote

re: #237 Daisy

Here's an awful poem of Obama's printed in 1981:

Under water grottos, caverns

Filled with apes

That eat figs.

Stepping on the figs

That the apes

Eat, they crunch.

The apes howl, bare

Their fangs, dance . . .

Racist
/

249 arethusa  10/10/08 3:36:49 pm reply quote

re: #217 Eowyn2

I'm kind of nervous about putting the McCain/Palin sign on my front yard. I dont know the neighbors very well and it is in a lower middle class/ upper lower class neighborhood. I dont want to replace the large windows in the sunporch with winter coming on.

Could you put it inside a window? (An upper-story window, to lessen the odds of breakage.) I'm thinking about getting some for my apartment windows.

250 Eowyn2  10/10/08 3:36:56 pm reply quote

re: #227 Killian Bundy

/Ronald Reagan couldn't even carry Minnesota

(in my best norwegian drawl)
yah you betcha.

(maybe Palin's "you betcha" will help out?)

My point being that McCain should not give up ANY STATES without a fight.

251 Jetpilot1101  10/10/08 3:37:05 pm reply quote

We'll most likely have 4 years of Obama. Well our parents lived through Carter so I suppose we'll have to live through Obama. If he does get elected, get ready for DOW 4000.

252 Outrider  10/10/08 3:37:06 pm reply quote

re: #197 HoosierHoops

Are you denying the right for dead hoosiers to vote?
Racist!
/heh

Nope. If they can show up at the polls and have a stake through their heart? No problem. ;-)>

253 sattv4u2  10/10/08 3:37:13 pm reply quote

re: #248 jorline

Racist
/

Figist

254 JustMyView  10/10/08 3:37:34 pm reply quote

re: #241 Silhouette

YPeople who openly wish for the downfall of America want Obama.

As do millions of Americans. By all current estimates, a plurality of the electorate. But perhaps they are all wishing for the downfall of their country too.

255 willowone  10/10/08 3:37:35 pm reply quote

re: #233 ploome hineni

i would say Obama indeed shares Wrights ideals, otherwise his children would never have been exposed to it.

256 godfrey  10/10/08 3:37:47 pm reply quote

TFK is right. McCain has to be dragged into the Presidency.

How long, O Lord, how long? ...

257 sparrowlake  10/10/08 3:37:59 pm reply quote

re: #194 Outrider

Not intelligent. Cunning.

He's a cunning linguist.

258 sattv4u2  10/10/08 3:38:03 pm reply quote

re: #251 Jetpilot1101

We'll most likely have 4 years of Obama. Well our parents lived through Carter so I suppose we'll have to live through Obama. If he does get elected, get ready for DOW 4000.

speak for yourself, sprout ,, I lived through the Carter years!

259 Daisy  10/10/08 3:38:11 pm reply quote

re: #21 godfrey

I completely agree. I see no evidence of serious intelligence in Obama. All I see is "borrowed" intelligence. What has the man ever applied his intelligence to? What has he built? Superintended? Created? Risked?

Nothing.

Take a look at Obama's poem - above #237. Source:
[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

260 Jetpilot1101  10/10/08 3:38:52 pm reply quote

re: #258 sattv4u2

speak for yourself, sprout ,, I lived through the Carter years!

No offense meant. I'm 32 and it looks like I'll get a taste of what you went through.

261 Pshawalaw  10/10/08 3:38:53 pm reply quote
Today, on the threshold of the presidency, Obama concedes the odiousness of these associations, which is why he has severed them. But for the years in which he sat in Wright's pews and shared common purpose on boards with Ayers, Obama considered them a legitimate, indeed unremarkable, part of social discourse.

But he hasn't severed his ties to such groups as Code Pink, Recreate 68, (the year Ayers came to national notice), Soros-linked groups, Kos kidz, etc. There are so many radical groups, today, that back Obama which are every bit as odious as Wright, as corrupt as Rezko, and perhaps as dangerous as Ayers; and Obama says nothing about them because he stills needs them.

O, can you see
We are not fooled by thee
Not even a little bit

262 debutaunt  10/10/08 3:39:02 pm reply quote

re: #258 sattv4u2

speak for yourself, sprout ,, I lived through the Carter years!

Did you buy gasoline on odd or even days?

263 calcajun  10/10/08 3:39:35 pm reply quote

re: #234 Salem

If Just today, he's advising his supporters not to "be afraid" of an Obomba presidency.

Where and when did this take place? If this is true, he's shooting himself.

264 jorline  10/10/08 3:39:37 pm reply quote

re: #253 sattv4u2

Figist

lol

265 Soona'  10/10/08 3:39:42 pm reply quote

re: #237 Daisy

Here's an awful poem of Obama's printed in 1981:

Under water grottos, caverns

Filled with apes

That eat figs.

Stepping on the figs

That the apes

Eat, they crunch.

The apes howl, bare

Their fangs, dance . . .

Sounds like a party I went to once. As a matter of fact, sounds like all the parties I used to go to.

266 arethusa  10/10/08 3:39:44 pm reply quote

re: #250 Eowyn2


My point being that McCain should not give up ANY STATES without a fight.

Exactly. I mean, Palin's holding rallies in, for goodness's sake, California. No candidate can afford to just camp out in PA and OH for the next 3 1/2 weeks.

267 NotaLib  10/10/08 3:40:00 pm reply quote

McCain needs to be more forcefull in bringing up those issues.

The facts are all thereSee here

268 Silhouette  10/10/08 3:40:05 pm reply quote

re: #251 Jetpilot1101

We'll most likely have 4 years of Obama. Well our parents lived through Carter so I suppose we'll have to live through Obama. If he does get elected, get ready for DOW 4000.

The only good thing about socialists in power is that consumer confidence is a very real thing. And when they've got their man in the White House, the media is happy to report how great everything is, people start to believe it, and it becomes somewhat self-fulfilling. But yes, the effect is limited.

269 Salem  10/10/08 3:40:27 pm reply quote

Actually, i don't think people should be afraid of an Obomba presidency, either, but I"M NOT HIS FRIKKING OPPONENT FOR THE WHITE HOUSE!

270 arethusa  10/10/08 3:40:34 pm reply quote

re: #197 HoosierHoops

Are you denying the right for dead hoosiers to vote?
Racist!
/heh

/Isn't the proper term "deadist"?

271 opnion  10/10/08 3:41:13 pm reply quote

re: #235 JacksonTn

This is a youtube from a black guy from Chicago ....... it was during the primary ..... I think this guy knows a little about Barack ...... blacks know about him ..... they will just not come out and say what they think ...... they are afraid of telling the truth .......

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

I love that the guy slammed that man hatin Beyoch Oprah!

272 godfrey  10/10/08 3:41:33 pm reply quote

re: #265 Soona'

I mean, where are the obligatory references to Caliban? Every revolutionary poet on the make has to provide at least that.

273 calcajun  10/10/08 3:41:47 pm reply quote

re: #260 Jetpilot1101

No offense meant. I'm 32 and it looks like I'll get a taste of what you went through.

You'll need to buy some sweaters, forget air conditioning and be prepared to wait in line for gas. On the other hand, disco won't seem so bad anymore--it didn't then cause it was ALL WE FREAKIN" HAD! Makes me wanna slit my throat with the sharpened edge of my "Dukes of Hazzard" lunchbox.////

274 Perplexed  10/10/08 3:42:02 pm reply quote

Krauthammer is correct. You swim in shit and some of it will stick to you.

275 Salem  10/10/08 3:42:04 pm reply quote

re: #263 calcajun

Where and when did this take place? If this is true, he's shooting himself.

At some public speech, Just saw the video on Fox. I think the crowd was stunned silent (the ones that weren't booing).

276 sattv4u2  10/10/08 3:42:07 pm reply quote

re: #262 debutaunt

Did you buy gasoline on odd or even days?

It was called the 'Oregon Plan" (even though I was in Massachusetts at the time) I remember it (shudder) well

277 Jetpilot1101  10/10/08 3:42:07 pm reply quote

re: #268 Silhouette

The only good thing about socialists in power is that consumer confidence is a very real thing. And when they've got their man in the White House, the media is happy to report how great everything is, people start to believe it, and it becomes somewhat self-fulfilling. But yes, the effect is limited.

They can report how great things are but if things really do suck, people are going to get pissed and throw the politicians out of office. Socialism might be allowed to triumph but it will only be through massive amounts of fraud, something Obama and his ilk are intimately familiar with.

278 Eowyn2  10/10/08 3:42:39 pm reply quote

re: #237 Daisy

bad, real bad

I see a smoke filled room,
its 1967
everyone is dressed in black turtle necks.
beat nick
light the wick
oooo
baby
lady
baby
(slow drum beats to crescendo)
cool

279 stevieray  10/10/08 3:42:39 pm reply quote

Damn it.

Can't log into LGF from my laptop again.

Charles... Did you change anything today? LGF won't load 9 out of 10 times, and even when it does load, the log in, spin-off links, and news widget won't load.

Vista/FF3/ZA

280 Moe Katz  10/10/08 3:42:48 pm reply quote

re: #265 Soona'

Sounds like a party I went to once. As a matter of fact, sounds like all the parties I used to go to.

Better to have the apes eating grapes. You could set up a nice rhyme scheme---the apes had to traipse to get the grapes, etc.

281 arethusa  10/10/08 3:42:58 pm reply quote
282 godfrey  10/10/08 3:43:05 pm reply quote

re: #277 Jetpilot1101

Socialism might be allowed to triumph but it will only be through massive amounts of fraud

The two are, as we all know, joined at the hip.

284 JacksonTn  10/10/08 3:43:07 pm reply quote

re: #234 Salem

If McCain loses this, Republicans will hate on him as much as Obomba himself. And they'll be correct. If he wins, it will be in spite of his efforts. Just today, he's advising his supporters not to "be afraid" of an Obomba presidency. That has to be a first in political history that a candidate tells the people not to be afraid if his opponent wins. He added that his supporters need to "be respectful". Up yours, Uncle Creepy. Your opponent deserves no respect when his media thralls are going through garbage cans in Alaska, his handlers are eye-deep in the financial crisis while blaming it on your party and his Acorn thugs are stealing the election right in broad daylight.

John McCain sucks!

He said not to be afraid of SCOTUS appointments of The One ... almost as bad ...... but I would like to hear it myself

285 calcajun  10/10/08 3:43:12 pm reply quote

re: #265 Soona'

Sounds like a party I went to once. As a matter of fact, sounds like all the parties I used to go to.

Dude, I do so wanna hang with you.

BTW, any idea what BHO might have taken to see dancing ape fangs? Must have been stronger than a nutmeg shake.

286 goddessoftheclassroom  10/10/08 3:43:13 pm reply quote

re: #273 calcajun

You'll need to buy some sweaters, forget air conditioning and be prepared to wait in line for gas. On the other hand, disco won't seem so bad anymore--it didn't then cause it was ALL WE FREAKIN" HAD! Makes me wanna slit my throat with the sharpened edge of my "Dukes of Hazzard" lunchbox.////

I remember my dad getting up to get in line for gas at 6 in the morning.

The ONLY consolation that I can think of about Obama's winning is that it will it hit some people upside their heads and knock some sense into them.

287 sattv4u2  10/10/08 3:43:32 pm reply quote

re: #279 stevieray

Damn it.

Can't log into LGF from my laptop again.

Charles... Did you change anything today? LGF won't load 9 out of 10 times, and even when it does load, the log in, spin-off links, and news widget won't load.

Vista/FF3/ZA

sure ,,, blame Charles and piss him off !

288 reine.de.tout  10/10/08 3:43:32 pm reply quote

re: #279 stevieray

Damn it.

Can't log into LGF from my laptop again.

Charles... Did you change anything today? LGF won't load 9 out of 10 times, and even when it does load, the log in, spin-off links, and news widget won't load.

Vista/FF3/ZA

I think there's some tinkering going on today. I've had similar probs.

289 pre-Boomer Marine brat  10/10/08 3:43:35 pm reply quote

re: #262 debutaunt

Did you buy gasoline on odd or even days?

Took tubes out of every-other florescent fixture. Turned the thermostat up seven degrees (maybe more) during the summertime in Tucson. No raises at all, even for the super-producers.

290 Perplexed  10/10/08 3:43:37 pm reply quote

re: #18 nyc redneck

i still don't get why krauthammer and others insist on referring to obama as a great intellect.
it's just not true.

Obama isn't in the possession of a great intellect. He works people and when he's done with them drops them like a used tissue.

291 calcajun  10/10/08 3:44:14 pm reply quote

re: #278 Eowyn2

bad, real bad

I see a smoke filled room,
its 1967
everyone is dressed in black turtle necks.
beat nick
light the wick
oooo
baby
lady
baby
(slow drum beats to crescendo)
cool

Burma Shave!

292 Soona'  10/10/08 3:44:43 pm reply quote

re: #258 sattv4u2

speak for yourself, sprout ,, I lived through the Carter years!

I wouldn't wish the Carter years on even....Obama. (that was hard to type)

293 Jetpilot1101  10/10/08 3:44:53 pm reply quote

re: #286 goddessoftheclassroom

I remember my dad getting up to get in line for gas at 6 in the morning.

The ONLY consolation that I can think of about Obama's winning is that it will it hit some people upside their heads and knock some sense into them.

We can only hope but I think some of the brain dead liberals may not even realize things suck even while waiting for gas at 6 in the morning. They'll just ask for more handouts and the Messiah will be happy to redistribute wealth to give them their pittance.

294 Salem  10/10/08 3:44:55 pm reply quote

re: #284 JacksonTn

He said not to be afraid of SCOTUS appointments of The One ... almost as bad ...... but I would like to hear it myself

Nope, that's wrong. I just saw the clip again.

295 reine.de.tout  10/10/08 3:45:05 pm reply quote

re: #290 Perplexed

Obama isn't in the possession of a great intellect. He works people and when he's done with them drops them like a used tissue.

Yes, I think you are correct.

He probably had a reputation as a "fixer", someone who could get things done.

Sort of like William "cold cash" Jefferson, who keeps getting a lot of support despite his activities.

296 Intrepid  10/10/08 3:45:08 pm reply quote

Oh good lord, people! Gloomy gusses all around. Where's TypicalWhitey and Sharmuta when we need 'em?

Ace invited the PUMAs onto his site today for a dialog, and one of the most prolific statements they made was this:

STOP BASHING YOUR OWN CANDIDATE! GET OUT AND FIGHT FOR HIM, AND STOP TRASHING HIM! IT MAKES HIM LOOK WEAK!

297 Eowyn2  10/10/08 3:45:54 pm reply quote

re: #249 arethusa

Could you put it inside a window? (An upper-story window, to lessen the odds of breakage.) I'm thinking about getting some for my apartment windows.

single story. Sun porch on front of the house. I am still going to put a sign up in the window. then if anyone breaks anything I will write a heated letter to the editor giving mega reasons why I will vote for mccain over obama.

298 sattv4u2  10/10/08 3:46:19 pm reply quote

re: #292 Soona'

I wouldn't wish the Carter years on even....Obama. (that was hard to type)

whenever I see the bumper sticker,,, McCain ='s 4 more years of Bush, I tell them Obama means 4 more years of Carter

299 Daisy  10/10/08 3:46:35 pm reply quote

re: #265 Soona'

Sounds like a party I went to once. As a matter of fact, sounds like all the parties I used to go to.

I've been to a few of those myself! What's not funny, is that Obama really did write that piece of crap - and then went on to claim that he wrote the well written "Dreams From My Father" which simply does not seem possible, given the above (and his badly written "Audacity of Hope" which he probably did write - title taken from a sermon by that hater Wright - guess Obama didn't sleep through that one) American Thinker has a strongly persuasive piece proposing that Ayers ghost wrote "Dreams" for Obama. [Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

300 Eowyn2  10/10/08 3:46:59 pm reply quote

re: #280 Moe Katz

Better to have the apes eating grapes. You could set up a nice rhyme scheme---the apes had to traipse to get the grapes, etc.

traipsing apes masticating grapes

301 reine.de.tout  10/10/08 3:47:08 pm reply quote

re: #296 Intrepid

Oh good lord, people! Gloomy gusses all around. Where's TypicalWhitey and Sharmuta when we need 'em?

Ace invited the PUMAs onto his site today for a dialog, and one of the most prolific statements they made was this:

STOP BASHING YOUR OWN CANDIDATE! GET OUT AND FIGHT FOR HIM, AND STOP TRASHING HIM! IT MAKES HIM LOOK WEAK!

You are right!

Get and out fight. It just may make a difference.

302 Moe Katz  10/10/08 3:47:34 pm reply quote

To quote Robert Frost, McCain is "a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel."

303 ploome hineni  10/10/08 3:47:47 pm reply quote

MCCAIN UNDERMINES HIS OWN CAMPAIGN

on FOX now

304 FloridaAnole  10/10/08 3:48:15 pm reply quote

re: #234 Salem

Is this for real? When & where did this happen?

305 Kosh's Shadow  10/10/08 3:48:16 pm reply quote

re: #293 Jetpilot1101

We can only hope but I think some of the brain dead liberals may not even realize things suck even while waiting for gas at 6 in the morning. They'll just ask for more handouts and the Messiah will be happy to redistribute wealth to give them their pittance.

Besides, he'll be trying to figure out what to do after Al Qaeda takes Iranian nukes or dirty bombs and blows up NY, LA, and DC.

306 Jetpilot1101  10/10/08 3:48:16 pm reply quote

re: #303 ploome hineni

MCCAIN UNDERMINES HIS OWN CAMPAIGN

on FOX now

Watching it with utter amazement. Why is McCain doing this to himself?

307 Jetpilot1101  10/10/08 3:48:40 pm reply quote

re: #305 Kosh's Shadow

Besides, he'll be trying to figure out what to do after Al Qaeda takes Iranian nukes or dirty bombs and blows up NY, LA, and DC.

He'll just blame Bush.

308 Salem  10/10/08 3:48:56 pm reply quote

re: #296 Intrepid

Oh good lord, people! Gloomy gusses all around. Where's TypicalWhitey and Sharmuta when we need 'em?

Ace invited the PUMAs onto his site today for a dialog, and one of the most prolific statements they made was this:

STOP BASHING YOUR OWN CANDIDATE! GET OUT AND FIGHT FOR HIM, AND STOP TRASHING HIM! IT MAKES HIM LOOK WEAK!

Losing this election is just Uncle Creepy's ultimate act of reaching across the aisle. He's the candidate the media picked for us. He is weak and he won't let anyone forget it.

309 sparrowlake  10/10/08 3:48:56 pm reply quote

re: #290 Perplexed

Obama isn't in the possession of a great intellect. He works people and when he's done with them drops them like a used tissue.

Everyone knows that Krauthammer has a first-class intellect.
Takes one to know one, I guess.
Elitism turns my stomach.

310 abolitionist  10/10/08 3:49:13 pm reply quote
The ad was duly denounced by the New York Times and other deep thinkers as racist.

An apologist for Obama/Ayers/Dohrn wrote (today):

I'm embarrassed to admit that when I first met this couple, I had not heard of the Weathermen, let alone its militant offshoot, the Weather Underground, famous from 1970 to 1975 for advocating violent protest against the Vietnam War. I had no idea the group had planned and carried out bombings of the Pentagon and the New York City police headquarters and that its members, including Ayers and Dohrn, had appeared on the FBI's Most Wanted list.

[Link: www.slate.com...]

Advocating violent protest my a&&.

The author, David Tanenhaus, Ph.D.

During 2000-2001, he was a Mellon Postdoctoral Research Fellow at the Newberry Library. In 2004, the American Society for Legal History appointed him to a five-year term as the Editor of Law and History Review

I thought the Weathermen/Weather Underground was the same group of revolutionaries/terrorists --just a minor name change on the occasion of declaring war on the US and beginning to act on that declaration --and a faction of the SDS.

The SDS was deeply racist, but against whites.

311 Cicero05  10/10/08 3:49:13 pm reply quote

if McCain didn't intend to fight to win, he should not have accepted the nomination. This isn't only about him.

312 pre-Boomer Marine brat  10/10/08 3:49:25 pm reply quote

re: #296 Intrepid

Oh good lord, people! Gloomy gusses all around. Where's TypicalWhitey and Sharmuta when we need 'em?

Ace invited the PUMAs onto his site today for a dialog, and one of the most prolific statements they made was this:

STOP BASHING YOUR OWN CANDIDATE! GET OUT AND FIGHT FOR HIM, AND STOP TRASHING HIM! IT MAKES HIM LOOK WEAK!


re: #301 reine.de.tout


UP-DINGS!

313 Moe Katz  10/10/08 3:49:28 pm reply quote

re: #300 Eowyn2

traipsing apes masticating grapes

Despite the japes on the videotapes.

314 Perplexed  10/10/08 3:49:48 pm reply quote

re: #307 Jetpilot1101

He'll just blame Bush.

Hard to do that when he's had the entire Bush administration arrested, tried and convicted.

315 JacksonTn  10/10/08 3:49:52 pm reply quote

re: #294 Salem

Nope, that's wrong. I just saw the clip again.

Maybe you are right ..... but I would like to see it ...... do you have a link?......but I do not care what McCain says at this point .........I feel like we are at war and I will fight on to November 4 and beyond .......even if I have to fight alone ......

316 Pshawalaw  10/10/08 3:50:05 pm reply quote

re: #237 Daisy

Here's an awful poem of Obama's printed in 1981:

Under water Pakistan grottos, caverns

Filled with apes Al Queda

That eat figs.

Stepping on the figs

That the apes Al Queda

Eat, they crunch.

The apes Al Queda howl, bare

Their fangs, dance . . .

Couldn't help myself, I started typing and this just came out.

317 arethusa  10/10/08 3:50:24 pm reply quote

re: #296 Intrepid

Oh good lord, people! Gloomy gusses all around. Where's TypicalWhitey and Sharmuta when we need 'em?

Ace invited the PUMAs onto his site today for a dialog, and one of the most prolific statements they made was this:

STOP BASHING YOUR OWN CANDIDATE! GET OUT AND FIGHT FOR HIM, AND STOP TRASHING HIM! IT MAKES HIM LOOK WEAK!

I'm optimistic. Really. Obama is sinking slowly in the likely-voter polls, McCain is finally bringing up his dubious associations and Fannie and Freddie and not letting go, at least one 527 will attack Obama on Wright in the next few weeks, and Sarah Palin is Sarah Palin.

318 stevieray  10/10/08 3:50:27 pm reply quote

re: #287 sattv4u2

re: #288 reine.de.tout

Well... poop! Just poop! :p

319 twincitiesgirl  10/10/08 3:50:29 pm reply quote
Nonetheless, John McCain in his infinite wisdom, and with his overflowing sense of personal rectitude, joined the braying mob in denouncing that perfectly legitimate ad, saying it had no place in any campaign. In doing so, McCain unilaterally disarmed himself, rendering off-limits Obama’s associations, an issue that even Hillary Clinton addressed more than once.

I agree wholeheartedly, sometimes McCain is too pc for his (and our country's)
own good.

320 FloridaAnole  10/10/08 3:50:31 pm reply quote

re: #308 Salem

Huckabee or Romney supporter, right?

321 Silhouette  10/10/08 3:50:35 pm reply quote

re: #254 JustMyView

As do millions of Americans. By all current estimates, a plurality of the electorate. But perhaps they are all wishing for the downfall of their country too.

I've yet to meet an Obama supporter who, when faced with statements like "Much of the world said that America is the biggest threat to world peace," who doesn't say, "Well, they're right." Ask them for the history of America, and you'll just get a list of sins.

Thinking the US is the biggest villian on the planet rather qualifies one as anti-American. One cannot with any credibility say otherwise, or what does anti mean?

So yes, many of them wish for the downfall of America. They'd love us to lose a war just to get 'our comeuppance." Many of them don't even realize how much they hate this country - they think they love it - but what they love is the location. They think it'd be a great place to put their socialist utopia (and this time, it'll work. Honest.) once we clear away the old racist, sexist, land-stealing, war mongering past.

322 Kosh's Shadow  10/10/08 3:51:13 pm reply quote

re: #307 Jetpilot1101

He'll just blame Bush.

Unfortunately, if Bush does nothing before he's out of office to stop Iran getting nukes, there will be more truth in that blame than in anything else in 0bama's campaign. Bush has had years to stop Iran; the next president will have 6 months, a year max.

323 sparrowlake  10/10/08 3:51:15 pm reply quote

re: #300 Eowyn2

traipsing apes masticating grapes

cunning linguist poet is not

324 Jetpilot1101  10/10/08 3:51:26 pm reply quote

re: #314 Perplexed

Hard to do that when he's had the entire Bush administration arrested, tried and convicted.

With the help of Hillary Clinton on the Supreme Court, he'll just trot them back out and re-try them for the bombings.

325 WrathofG-d  10/10/08 3:51:29 pm reply quote

Personal OT:

So, I'm about to register to vote (yes, I know...but I moved) and it is asking me what my party affiliation is.

Should I put something in, or just decline to state?

Advantages, Disadvantages? Anything in particular for California? (I think we can decline but still vote in primaries or something)

326 JacksonTn  10/10/08 3:51:52 pm reply quote

re: #308 Salem

Losing this election is just Uncle Creepy's ultimate act of reaching across the aisle. He's the candidate the media picked for us. He is weak and he won't let anyone forget it.

I know you been here a long time and I have not ...... but I think you are an ass for calling McCain that ......... you waving a white flag? You think there will be a next time? Don't be so sure .......

327 Intrepid  10/10/08 3:51:58 pm reply quote

re: #301 reine.de.tout

You are right!

Get and out fight. It just may make a difference.

Damn straight, Reine. I get so sick and damned tired of chicken little followers who declare "the sky is falling" every day.

We're the underdogs here, I am well aware of that. But to keep up the "we're gonna die, we're all gonna die" meme INSTEAD of "just another reason to FIGHT HARDER!" just reeks of defeatism.

And I'll guaran-damn-tee ya one thing - Mac and Sarah might lose on November 4th, but at least I'll be able to say I fought till the end and did everything I could to help keep them going.

328 ploome hineni  10/10/08 3:52:13 pm reply quote

re: #306 Jetpilot1101

Watching it with utter amazement. Why is McCain doing this to himself?

who knows

CALL HIS CAMPAIGN OFFICE

329 Soona'  10/10/08 3:52:16 pm reply quote

re: #285 calcajun

Dude, I do so wanna hang with you.

BTW, any idea what BHO might have taken to see dancing ape fangs? Must have been stronger than a nutmeg shake.

Maddog 20/20

330 Kosh's Shadow  10/10/08 3:52:26 pm reply quote

re: #314 Perplexed

Hard to do that when he's had the entire Bush administration arrested, tried and convicted.

He'll add that to the charges.

331 Moe Katz  10/10/08 3:52:32 pm reply quote

re: #321 Silhouette

I've yet to meet an Obama supporter who, when faced with statements like "Much of the world said that America is the biggest threat to world peace," who doesn't say, "Well, they're right." Ask them for the history of America, and you'll just get a list of sins.

Thinking the US is the biggest villian on the planet rather qualifies one as anti-American. One cannot with any credibility say otherwise, or what does anti mean?

So yes, many of them wish for the downfall of America. They'd love us to lose a war just to get 'our comeuppance." Many of them don't even realize how much they hate this country - they think they love it - but what they love is the location. They think it'd be a great place to put their socialist utopia (and this time, it'll work. Honest.) once we clear away the old racist, sexist, land-stealing, war mongering past.

It's the same collective guilt and desire for punishment that Carter articulated 30 years ago.

332 FloridaAnole  10/10/08 3:52:41 pm reply quote

re: #322 Kosh's Shadow

Unfortunately, if Bush does nothing before he's out of office to stop Iran getting nukes, there will be more truth in that blame than in anything else in 0bama's campaign. Bush has had years to stop Iran; the next president will have 6 months, a year max.

Obama will do a Clinton/China and sell them nuclear technology.

333 Salem  10/10/08 3:52:55 pm reply quote

re: #315 JacksonTn

Maybe you are right ..... but I would like to see it ...... do you have a link?......but I do not care what McCain says at this point .........I feel like we are at war and I will fight on to November 4 and beyond .......even if I have to fight alone ......

It may be too fresh for a link. I guess he only said this a couple hours ago.

I'm voting for him, what's the point of not voting just because of him? But my vote has probably just been voided out by any number of voters he just lost.

334 Silhouette  10/10/08 3:52:57 pm reply quote

re: #300 Eowyn2

traipsing apes masticating grapes

Wiping their hands on the drapes.

335 Killian Bundy  10/10/08 3:53:14 pm reply quote

re: #234 Salem

Just today, he's advising his supporters not to "be afraid" of an Obomba presidency. That has to be a first in political history that a candidate tells the people not to be afraid if his opponent wins. He added that his supporters need to "be respectful".

They just played that clip on NBC Nightly News.

/un[expletive deleted]believable!

336 Daisy  10/10/08 3:53:45 pm reply quote

re: #316 Pshawalaw

Couldn't help myself, I started typing and this just came out.

It's better than Obama's. Which is not saying much :) but at least you admit that you started typing and it just came out. And you're not running for POTUS with a supposedly gigundo intellect?
Here's the link to the article w/the poem. Compelling story: [Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

337 willowone  10/10/08 3:54:16 pm reply quote

funny that Acorn would say Republicans are manufacturing a crisis. I would think vote stealing to win a Presidency would be a big deal even to Dems.

338 Pigtown Water Dog  10/10/08 3:54:17 pm reply quote

re: #260 Jetpilot1101

I'm doing my best NOT to have to live through 4 years of 0. Already lived through Carter, and bought my gas over the bridge in Jersey, where I qualified as an "out-of-towner", so I didn't have to do odd or even.

339 JeremiahRight  10/10/08 3:54:42 pm reply quote

re: #325 WrathofG-d

Personal OT:

So, I'm about to register to vote (yes, I know...but I moved) and it is asking me what my party affiliation is.

Should I put something in, or just decline to state?

Advantages, Disadvantages? Anything in particular for California? (I think we can decline but still vote in primaries or something)

CA uses closed primary system, you can only vote for your party in the primaries. Otherwise, you're good

340 goddessoftheclassroom  10/10/08 3:54:48 pm reply quote

re: #334 Silhouette

Wiping their hands on the drapes.

Dining on crepes...

341 nyc redneck  10/10/08 3:54:57 pm reply quote

re: #306 Jetpilot1101

Watching it with utter amazement. Why is McCain doing this to himself?

what is he saying?

342 Pshawalaw  10/10/08 3:55:06 pm reply quote

re: #316 Pshawalaw

Ah, crap, my deletes didn't take. Scratch apes and water.

343 Jetpilot1101  10/10/08 3:55:17 pm reply quote

re: #337 willowone

funny that Acorn would say Republicans are manufacturing a crisis. I would think vote stealing to win a Presidency would be a big deal even to Dems.

It's only a big deal to dems when they lose the election. When it helps them win, they are all about fraud.

344 calcajun  10/10/08 3:55:55 pm reply quote

re: #334 Silhouette

Wiping their hands on the drapes.

Looking for forged memos for Mary Mapes

345 Kosh's Shadow  10/10/08 3:55:57 pm reply quote

re: #332 FloridaAnole

Obama will do a Clinton/China and sell them nuclear technology.

As long as they only us it on you-know-who. 0bama and Amadmanonjihad will understand each other well, in their meetings.

(Of course, once Iran is through with the Little Satan, they'll get to work on the Big Satan, if 0 hasn't made Islam the state religion, with the help of Chief Justice Farrakhan, and made us non-Muslims dhimmis.)

346 Salem  10/10/08 3:55:57 pm reply quote

re: #335 Killian Bundy

They just played that clip on NBC Nightly News.

/un[expletive deleted]believable!

At the very least, I hop3e someone has a good talk with him tonight. If there's any sane person that can reach him.

347 Pshawalaw  10/10/08 3:56:09 pm reply quote

re: #336 Daisy

Thanks, I'll take a look.

348 sattv4u2  10/10/08 3:56:14 pm reply quote

re: #342 Pshawalaw

Ah, crap, my deletes didn't take. Scratch apes and water.

both are difficult to do ,,,, but if I had a choice, i'll scratch water. The Ape might not appreciate it!

349 FrogMarch  10/10/08 3:56:16 pm reply quote

re: #162 Killgore Trout

I had a dream once that little fuzzy caterpillars were trying to burrow under my skin.

I'll bet!

350 debutaunt  10/10/08 3:56:19 pm reply quote

re: #289 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Took tubes out of every-other florescent fixture. Turned the thermostat up seven degrees (maybe more) during the summertime in Tucson. No raises at all, even for the super-producers.

But on the upside, the inflation and uncertainy must have made you smile.

351 godfrey  10/10/08 3:56:26 pm reply quote

Not only do Obama's friends suck, so do his economic proposals. A hundred economics profs say so, including five Nobel winners.

They defy both economic reason and economic experience.

But, but... Obama is a "first rate intelligence"!

352 Silhouette  10/10/08 3:56:42 pm reply quote

re: #325 WrathofG-d

Personal OT:

So, I'm about to register to vote (yes, I know...but I moved) and it is asking me what my party affiliation is.

Should I put something in, or just decline to state?

Advantages, Disadvantages? Anything in particular for California? (I think we can decline but still vote in primaries or something)

Just tell the truth.

Leave the "Truth-schmooth, I'm just going to put the best answer to game the system" to the other side.

353 Jetpilot1101  10/10/08 3:56:57 pm reply quote

re: #338 Pigtown Water Dog

I'm doing my best NOT to have to live through 4 years of 0. Already lived through Carter, and bought my gas over the bridge in Jersey, where I qualified as an "out-of-towner", so I didn't have to do odd or even.

I don't want to live through 4 years of 0 either. I have no desire to wait in gas lines and watch uneployment soar. I'm inthe military and will be staying in for the foreseeable future; at least I know I'll have a paycheck coming in.

354 calcajun  10/10/08 3:57:17 pm reply quote

re: #335 Killian Bundy

They just played that clip on NBC Nightly News.

/un[expletive deleted]believable!

You have got to be kidding. If he says stuff like this, why should I fight for him? Why fight when he won't do it himself?

355 Intrepid  10/10/08 3:57:22 pm reply quote

re: #344 calcajun

Looking for forged memos for Mary Mapes

And hunting for WAB "Whitey" tapes.

356 Pshawalaw  10/10/08 3:57:30 pm reply quote

re: #337 willowone

funny that Acorn would say Republicans are manufacturing a crisis. I would think vote stealing to win a Presidency would be a big deal even to Dems.

It seems they felt that way when they though Gore had won, I guess they only care when it hurts their man.

357 arethusa  10/10/08 3:57:44 pm reply quote

Please remember why Congress is now Democratic and sticking it to us, and why a Democratic Presidency is now doubly dangerous. In 2006, Republicans did not turn out in sufficient numbers to limit the Democratic takeover. If they had, we might have retained Senate control, and limited the losses in the House.

If you want to consign the US to the dustbin, then don't support McCain-Palin. The choice is pretty clear.

358 Pshawalaw  10/10/08 3:58:00 pm reply quote

re: #348 sattv4u2

Lol, sloppy of me to leave myself open to that.

359 JacksonTn  10/10/08 3:58:08 pm reply quote

re: #354 calcajun

You have got to be kidding. If he says stuff like this, why should I fight for him? Why fight when he won't do it himself?

Because you need to fight for yourself and your family and America .....

360 FrogMarch  10/10/08 3:58:25 pm reply quote

re: #180 Who Watches the Watchmen?

CNN is giving ACORN a lot of coverage. There's a video story about bogus registrations in Indiana.

That's odd? Considering CNN obviously wants democrats to win. And ACORN is 100% democrat voter fraud machine.

361 Moe Katz  10/10/08 3:59:20 pm reply quote

re: #340 goddessoftheclassroom

Dining on crepes...

Grapecrepes. On the fire escapes.

362 Wishing  10/10/08 3:59:37 pm reply quote

At this point, McCain hardly matters.
Obama is gonna sink in his own...ideology
And be flushed away.
Hillary will see to it, along with head PUMA himself, Bubba.
What you are hearing from the moonbats is PANIC.
Golden boy ...is rusting away

363 ploome hineni  10/10/08 4:00:02 pm reply quote

re: #341 nyc redneck

what is he saying?

he is saying Obama is decent man, and to be respectful

364 willowone  10/10/08 4:00:09 pm reply quote

re: #343 Jetpilot1101 agree, and i guess connecting that to 800 k +from Obama campaign is nothing .

365 calcajun  10/10/08 4:00:16 pm reply quote

re: #359 JacksonTn

Because you need to fight for yourself and your family and America .....

He is the man that is running for office. If he no longer wants to make the case, if he no longer has the fire in his belly, then there is nothing for us but to take to the political hills and fight on there.

366 Pshawalaw  10/10/08 4:00:22 pm reply quote

re: #361 Moe Katz

Grapecrepes. On the fire escapes.

beside apes, drawing landscapes

367 Salem  10/10/08 4:00:25 pm reply quote

re: #320 FloridaAnole

Huckabee or Romney supporter, right?

I hate Huckabee. But at least he'd be fighting right now. I knew that neither he or Romney had a serious shot, but I think Romney would have made a better president. Even if McCain wins, he'll carry on with his old shenanigans. The Republican party might have a brighter future with Obomba screwing things up for a couple years.

368 WrathofG-d  10/10/08 4:00:29 pm reply quote

re: #352 Silhouette

Well actually the truth is that I am not a hard-line Republican (especially lately). Before 9/11 I voted Democratic. This I am officially a "decline to state". But I would hate to be left out of the cold in either primary because of this. I think CA law allows me to vote in either primary though either way. I'm just trying to figure out if this is true, and having some trouble.

369 arethusa  10/10/08 4:00:29 pm reply quote

I just saw a "Vote on Nov. 4" commercial from...Burger King?

370 goddessoftheclassroom  10/10/08 4:00:37 pm reply quote

re: #361 Moe Katz

Grapecrepes. On the fire escapes.

Laughing and rolling eyes at Mary Mapes...

371 calcajun  10/10/08 4:00:44 pm reply quote

re: #366 Pshawalaw

beside apes, drawing landscapes

While dreaming of men in tights and capes

372 sattv4u2  10/10/08 4:01:07 pm reply quote

LIZARDS,,, i'm about to become a heretic.

I am now totally on the Obama/ Messiah/ Rockstar bandwagon. I am going to personally volunteer my time and expertise to his campaign. In a previous life, I owned and operated a silk screen (mostly T-Shirts) printing business. I am going to manufacture and sell T-Shirts for this final round of whistle-stopping in all 57 states that Obama is doing. The front of the shirt will have Obama's likeness, hands extended, rainbow over his head
The back of the shirt will be emblazoned with the LOGO that I am copyrighting here and now

OBAMA 2008

The Guilty Whitey Tour

373 Killian Bundy  10/10/08 4:01:11 pm reply quote

re: #357 arethusa

If you want to consign the US to the dustbin, then don't support McCain-Palin. The choice is pretty clear.

Oh, I'm going to vote for them. But John McCain just said, in front of cameras, that we don't need to be afraid of an Obama Presidency.

/WTF is up with that and how long before it ends up in an Obama ad?

374 willowone  10/10/08 4:01:22 pm reply quote

vot including Acorn endorsing Obama[Link: www.thenation.com...]

375 JacksonTn  10/10/08 4:01:24 pm reply quote

re: #365 calcajun

He is the man that is running for office. If he no longer wants to make the case, if he no longer has the fire in his belly, then there is nothing for us but to take to the political hills and fight on there.

If you were in battle and your commander was killed ..... would you fight on .... or retreat?

376 Wishing  10/10/08 4:01:45 pm reply quote

re: #372 sattv4u2

ROFL!

377 loflyer  10/10/08 4:01:58 pm reply quote

Arr! Evening mates, and that's the last pirate-speak for the night I am giving you guys a break. You have been really great about it, but I know it gets on some folks nerves. So I will for the rest of the night speak English!

378 arethusa  10/10/08 4:02:33 pm reply quote

re: #377 loflyer

Arr! Evening mates, and that's the last pirate-speak for the night I am giving you guys a break. You have been really great about it, but I know it gets on some folks nerves. So I will for the rest of the night speak English!

Personally, I like the pirate-ese. Takes me back to a more innocent age...

379 pre-Boomer Marine brat  10/10/08 4:02:46 pm reply quote

re: #350 debutaunt

But on the upside, the inflation and uncertainy must have made you smile.

Oh, I was positively palpitating. All those things I mentioned, going on at work, gave me the audacity to hop*WHACK*
... uh, sorry ... was getting carried away by the still-lingering thrill of it

380 calcajun  10/10/08 4:03:04 pm reply quote

re: #372 sattv4u2

LIZARDS,,, i'm about to become a heretic.

I am now totally on the Obama/ Messiah/ Rockstar bandwagon. I am going to personally volunteer my time and expertise to his campaign. In a previous life, I owned and operated a silk screen (mostly T-Shirts) printing business. I am going to manufacture and sell T-Shirts for this final round of whistle-stopping in all 57 states that Obama is doing. The front of the shirt will have Obama's likeness, hands extended, rainbow over his head
The back of the shirt will be emblazoned with the LOGO that I am copyrighting here and now

OBAMA 2008

The Guilty Whitey Tour


You slogan then ought to be:
"Why not Obama? He's white enough." ////

I do hope your omission of the sarc tags was a mere oversight.

381 Intrepid  10/10/08 4:03:16 pm reply quote

re: #363 ploome hineni

he is saying Obama is decent man, and to be respectful

Undercuts the lefties' claims that Mac/Sarah are stirring up violence at their rallies, and now they can't claim this anymore.

It takes a huge chunk of their armor out, that Mac/Sarah are fomenting anger/hatred towards Obama.

Now what are the liberal hate-mongers going to do? Say that McCain/Palin rallies are inciting riots when Mac has come out and said nice, calming things about the O?

/putting my best spin on it

382 willowone  10/10/08 4:03:28 pm reply quote

re: #373 Killian Bundy

sheesh you're killing my optimism, did he really say that?

383 Killgore Trout  10/10/08 4:03:32 pm reply quote

Dean Barnett update

Dean still in fragile state on a breathing machine in ICU. He is very willful and is fighting hard – the doctors are so impressed with him. His downward spiral stopped on Thursday, and we hope that with the continued prayers he will turn a corner this week end. He is in and out of consciousness.

384 sattv4u2  10/10/08 4:03:32 pm reply quote

re: #377 loflyer

Arr! Evening mates, and that's the last pirate-speak for the night I am giving you guys a break. You have been really great about it, but I know it gets on some folks nerves. So I will for the rest of the night speak English!

problem is ,,, you speak (type) better Pirate than English !

j/k

385 Eowyn2  10/10/08 4:03:42 pm reply quote

re: #356 Pshawalaw

It seems they felt that way when they though Gore had won, I guess they only care when it hurts their man.

i'm shocked, shocked i tells ya

386 HoosierHoops  10/10/08 4:04:01 pm reply quote

re: #368 WrathofG-d

Well actually the truth is that I am not a hard-line Republican (especially lately). Before 9/11 I voted Democratic. This I am officially a "decline to state". But I would hate to be left out of the cold in either primary because of this. I think CA law allows me to vote in either primary though either way. I'm just trying to figure out if this is true, and having some trouble.

You are wrong my friend...I went to college in California and my first time to vote i registered Indy..Come primary time I couldn't vote the dems or the GOP.. I did have the choice of Sister Boom Boom and some other freaks that i don't recall...Just declare and man up.

387 sattv4u2  10/10/08 4:04:07 pm reply quote

re: #380 calcajun

You slogan then ought to be:
"Why not Obama? He's white enough." ////

I do hope your omission of the sarc tags was a mere oversight.

I figured the "57 state" thing would be a clue !

388 Killian Bundy  10/10/08 4:04:38 pm reply quote

re: #382 willowone

sheesh you're killing my optimism, did he really say that?

Yes, he really said that.

/probably be up on YouTube soon

389 twincitiesgirl  10/10/08 4:04:39 pm reply quote

re: #198 Killian Bundy

Just a guess, but there's an important senate race in that state.

390 willowone  10/10/08 4:05:06 pm reply quote

re: #388 Killian Bundy

i'm speechless.

391 Wishing  10/10/08 4:05:07 pm reply quote

In the old days, SNL was worth watching.
Seems Palin thinks so too
Palin and Fey TOGETHER!

392 Pshawalaw  10/10/08 4:05:15 pm reply quote

re: #381 Intrepid

Undercuts the lefties' claims that Mac/Sarah are stirring up violence at their rallies, and now they can't claim this anymore.

It takes a huge chunk of their armor out, that Mac/Sarah are fomenting anger/hatred towards Obama.

Now what are the liberal hate-mongers going to do? Say that McCain/Palin rallies are inciting riots when Mac has come out and said nice, calming things about the O?

/putting my best spin on it

The good intentions of Republicans have never prevented the libs from hating them.

393 Jetpilot1101  10/10/08 4:05:23 pm reply quote

OT: Well thank you very much Bush and the inept congress for beginning the process of nationalizing the banking system in this country. Not to mention this whole friggin' mess is going to be run by an avowed democrat. We are walking towards socialism and once the government gets it's paws on the banks, it won't let go. Bush is a complete and total idiot and will go down as one of the worst presidents in history. It won't be because of Iraq, it will because of this bailout.

394 Soona'  10/10/08 4:05:24 pm reply quote

re: #353 Jetpilot1101

I don't want to live through 4 years of 0 either. I have no desire to wait in gas lines and watch uneployment soar. I'm inthe military and will be staying in for the foreseeable future; at least I know I'll have a paycheck coming in.

If O is prez, don't count on it!

395 WrathofG-d  10/10/08 4:05:33 pm reply quote

re: #386 HoosierHoops

It is very possible I am wrong, but explain this then.

396 Intrepid  10/10/08 4:05:35 pm reply quote

re: #369 arethusa

I just saw a "Vote on Nov. 4" commercial from...Burger King?

Oooh, I'll have a Whopper with cheese, hold the onions (they make my stomach hurt), and an order of small fries. With a Dr Pepper.

Oh, and a Mac/Palin administration, please!

:-)

397 pre-Boomer Marine brat  10/10/08 4:05:52 pm reply quote

re: #360 FrogMarch

That's odd? Considering CNN obviously wants democrats to win. And ACORN is 100% democrat voter fraud machine.

This suddenly occured to me, and might be WAY over-thinking it ... however ... what if the inner circle at CNN has decided that Obama's campaign is irrevocably on the skids?

/just askin', cause I'm as mystified as you are

398 sattv4u2  10/10/08 4:05:55 pm reply quote

re: #388 Killian Bundy

Yes, he really said that.

/probably be up on YouTube an Obama ad soon

399 Onslow  10/10/08 4:06:42 pm reply quote

Obama is a man of first-class intellect and first-class temperament

-Charles Krauthammer


What is asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof.

— Christopher Hitchens

400 Jetpilot1101  10/10/08 4:06:45 pm reply quote

re: #394 Soona'

If O is prez, don't count on it!

I'm tenured due to my rank and specialty. I know it will be tough.

401 calcajun  10/10/08 4:07:18 pm reply quote

re: #375 JacksonTn

If you were in battle and your commander was killed ..... would you fight on .... or retreat?

Depends on who the commander was. If it was Caesar, A.T. Great or a Napoleon, I might fight with my feet. If it was Ambrose Burnside....I might feel I now had a better chance of winning.

Your analogy is not accurate--we're not fighting to win a battle, but to install a new leader. If that candidate no longer has the stomach for this fight, what about the fights to come. Hell, the man was exhorted yesterday to keep fighting and now he's telling the troops they'll be treated well when the surrender comes. Not exactly a confidence builder.

402 faraway  10/10/08 4:07:32 pm reply quote

re: #397 pre-Boomer Marine brat

It's the weirdest thing I have ever seen. Unless the Clinton backers are stepping forward.

403 finallyhere  10/10/08 4:07:34 pm reply quote

McCain told today at his rally that Obama is a decent person and nobody should be afraid if him becoming President.

I personally consider that McCain doing this put his country not first but after his desire to be loved by MSM. If he does not want to fight with the Chicago leftist corrupt politician for Presidency, he should not fight with Giuliani and Romney, who would be great Presidents and who WOULD fight for this country regardless of media love for Obama.

I am so upset. If McCain lost while fighting, I would not blame him. Now he will share the blame for what happens to this country and for the West under Obama.

404 loflyer  10/10/08 4:07:52 pm reply quote

Thanks guys, but its starting to creep into my business emails. No one seems to mind!

405 Wishing  10/10/08 4:07:52 pm reply quote

re: #397 pre-Boomer Marine brat

This suddenly occured to me, and might be WAY over-thinking it ... however ... what if the inner circle at CNN has decided that Obama's campaign is irrevocably on the skids?

/just askin', cause I'm as mystified as you are

That is EXACTLY what is going on. The O is OUT guys, a non-starter.

406 SagamoreGal  10/10/08 4:07:59 pm reply quote

In the not- so- distant past that McCain was on his knees fellatin' most of the press and trying to build up his maverick-ness (Sarah has more of that in her wedding-ring finger than McCain has in his entire DNA) , he had no clue that the "unwashed Republican masses" were out here since 2003 trying to keep our tempers in check when almost every so-called journalist , news anchor, talk show host, late night comedian, et al were comparing our Commander in Chief to Hitler and Stalin. As we say in Penn Dutch land, "we have had the shits of it". If you don't all but call out the press as lying, lowlife motherfuckers and Obama as the gutter-rat Marxist Socialist that he is , you're going to "honor" yourself into a sad footnote in history. And probably the biggest landslide loser since Mondale.

407 DesertSage  10/10/08 4:08:08 pm reply quote

What the hell is this supposed to mean anyhow?

[Link: www.designforobama.org...]

408 sattv4u2  10/10/08 4:08:12 pm reply quote

re: #397 pre-Boomer Marine brat

This suddenly occured to me, and might be WAY over-thinking it ... however ... what if the inner circle at CNN has decided that Obama's campaign is irrevocably on the skids?

/just askin', cause I'm as mystified as you are

I think it's just cover. 18 months of glowing Obama stories, 2 weeks of this. After the election (and an Obama win) CNN can then show that they were "fair" saying "see, we covered all the negative Obama stuff"
(I'vve been in this business a long long time)

409 calcajun  10/10/08 4:08:20 pm reply quote

re: #387 sattv4u2

I figured the "57 state" thing would be a clue !

Sorry. Missed that.

410 Salem  10/10/08 4:08:27 pm reply quote

re: #326 JacksonTn

I know you been here a long time and I have not ...... but I think you are an ass for calling McCain that ......... you waving a white flag? You think there will be a next time? Don't be so sure .......

Why? He's killing his own campaign, her! Besides, he happens to be the spitting image of Uncle Creepy. We;ve already been through this. The guy isn't my grandpa (actually, my dad is over twenty years older than him), he's the guy who's blowing the election for his own party.

And my venting isn't going to lose the election for him, anyhow. He says I shouldn't show disrespect for Obomba? Well, I have to show disrespect for someone in this whole mess-who would he suggest?

411 JacksonTn  10/10/08 4:08:47 pm reply quote

re: #401 calcajun

Depends on who the commander was. If it was Caesar, A.T. Great or a Napoleon, I might fight with my feet. If it was Ambrose Burnside....I might feel I now had a better chance of winning.

Your analogy is not accurate--we're not fighting to win a battle, but to install a new leader. If that candidate no longer has the stomach for this fight, what about the fights to come. Hell, the man was exhorted yesterday to keep fighting and now he's telling the troops they'll be treated well when the surrender comes. Not exactly a confidence builder.

If you think we are not in a battle ....... you are crazy .......

412 eon  10/10/08 4:08:56 pm reply quote

re: #363 ploome hineni

he is saying Obama is decent man, and to be respectful

I can respect the office of the President, without necessarily having any respect for the person holding it.

After all, I've had several test-runs in my life to practice doing so.

Lyndon Baines Johnson (1963-69)
Richard Milhous Nixon (1969-74)
James Earl Carter, Jr. (1977-81)
William Jefferson Clinton (1993-2001)
(Yes, I'm counting just the times they actually were in office.)

The main problem I see is that, if I am correct in assuming that Obama will be such a disaster in office that he not only won't get re-elected, but may not even complete his term (through impeachment or forced resignation), as things stand he would be replaced by either Joseph Biden or Nancy Pelosi.

Which is another way of saying "going from bad to worse".

Two more good reasons to get out and fight like Hell for McCain and Palin, now, IMHO.

cheers

eon

413 Pshawalaw  10/10/08 4:08:59 pm reply quote

re: #387 sattv4u2

I figured the "57 state" thing would be a clue !


What are you saying? Are you one of those 57 state deniers? What else don't you believe in, Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny?///

414 sattv4u2  10/10/08 4:09:01 pm reply quote

re: #405 Wishing

see my #408

415 Wishing  10/10/08 4:09:13 pm reply quote

re: #402 faraway

It's the weirdest thing I have ever seen. Unless the Clinton backers are stepping forward.

Clinton Takes a Swipe

416 Intrepid  10/10/08 4:10:06 pm reply quote

re: #392 Pshawalaw

The good intentions of Republicans have never prevented the libs from hating them.

Yes, but now they cannot claim the top of our ticket is fomenting hatred and violence at their rallies, can they?

Libs will always hate us. But they can no longer make the claim that Mac/Sarah encourage hatred or violence upon them.

417 LEGION  10/10/08 4:10:29 pm reply quote

re: #360 FrogMarch

That's odd? Considering CNN obviously wants democrats to win. And ACORN is 100% democrat voter fraud machine.

Odd also with the Sat. Nite Live skit ripping the dems on this financial crisis- maybe they are just covering all the bases for when he destroys America they can say they pointed it out? Sheesh- if America is destroyed who will care about anything?
Just in case you haven't seen it.
[Link: patdollard.com...]

418 arethusa  10/10/08 4:10:32 pm reply quote

re: #403 finallyhere

I gather that McCain's relations with the press have been quite frosty lately. He still does interviews with major journalists, but hasn't had a press conference since July, and no longer wanders back to the press area of his plane to shoot the breeze or lets them onto his part of the Straight Talk Express. This may have motivated a bit the media's love for Obama and new enmity for McCain.

419 faraway  10/10/08 4:10:37 pm reply quote

Maybe Lou Dobbs is more powerful (and has more allies) than I thought.

420 Wishing  10/10/08 4:10:54 pm reply quote

Two things in play right now:
Clinton Fury
RICO

421 WrathofG-d  10/10/08 4:11:08 pm reply quote

OT:

Now.....on my voter registration form...should I put "human" in the space for "race" ?

422 lifeofthemind  10/10/08 4:11:24 pm reply quote

Evening I see Charles returned from the great beyond just when I gave up around 2400 on the overnight thread. Anything interesting to report? I'm feeling poor this evening.

423 Killgore Trout  10/10/08 4:11:32 pm reply quote

re: #393 Jetpilot1101

It won't be because of Iraq, it will because of this bailout.

That is surprising. I thought for sure that victory in Iraq would hurt Obama but it hasn't really made a dent. I don't think the bailout or the economic crisis is what really hurt McCain. He could easily have dealt with it but he chose not to. He has made a lousy case for himself and won't attack his opponent (at least not in person). The blame needs to be placed on McCain and the Republican voters who voted for him in the primary. He was a bad choice and he performed poorly. We shouldn't really be that surprised.

424 calcajun  10/10/08 4:12:04 pm reply quote

re: #411 JacksonTn

If you think we are not in a battle ....... you are crazy .......

You misread me. We're not fighting to win JUST a battle, but to install a new leader. It's like if William of Orange had said, "You know, that James guy ain't so bad." Or if Jeff Davis had said, "Personally, I rather think Mr. Lincoln's southern policies aren't so bad".

425 pre-Boomer Marine brat  10/10/08 4:12:11 pm reply quote

re: #402 faraway

It's the weirdest thing I have ever seen. Unless the Clinton backers are stepping forward.

PUMAs inside CNN?
Occam's Razor says that makes sense.
Thank you for that!

426 Killian Bundy  10/10/08 4:12:28 pm reply quote

It's like, vote for me.

/but, you know, voting for Obama would be okay too

427 HoosierHoops  10/10/08 4:12:46 pm reply quote

re: #395 WrathofG-d

It is very possible I am wrong, but explain this then.

It would appear that since 3-04 the law has changed...Who knew?
My daughter is attending UC Davis.. I could call her and ask..but I'm afraid she probably hasn't even registered...Kids! jeez!

428 Pigtown Water Dog  10/10/08 4:13:09 pm reply quote

Thank you, lizards, for being my warm rock of sanity.

For those of you too young to remember the Carter years, so long ago, here are just a few impressions. I was in grad school in Philadelphia, and probably a lot less cynical than I am now: cold. dark. grimy.

I remember sitting in a bar in South Philly when Carter gave that stupid speech about Whip Inflation Now, and wanted everyone to wear a WIN button. The bar crowd reaction included some of the most powerful oaths and curses, and some of the bluest vulgarities I have ever heard.

For years afterward, little pieces of "Turn the lights out" stickers still clung to the women's restroom light switches, and I was always afraid of going into a dark public ladies' room. There was a guy hiding in one once. And I really had to go.

Christmas was dark. People were just so worn out that there were hardly any Christmas lights in my neighborhood.

There really was a misery index.

That's why I'm going to push McCain's butt as hard as I can to the finish line. Thanks.

429 twincitiesgirl  10/10/08 4:13:18 pm reply quote

re: #403 finallyhere

Agreed. Sarah needs to give him a whack in the b*lls whatever part of his body that will get his attention.

430 eon  10/10/08 4:13:24 pm reply quote

re: #399 Onslow

Obama is a man of first-class grade intellect and first-class grade temperament

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Fixed that for you, Chuckles.

/by second grade, most of us have realized that we are not the center of the Universe.

cheers

eon

431 infidel4ever  10/10/08 4:13:27 pm reply quote

re: #241 Silhouette

You are right.

We've touched on it, but it is an important viewpoint. What is it about Obama that draws the praise, admiration, and support of Marxist, America haters, racists, Hamas, Hezb'allah, foreign dictators, domestic terrorists, and financial criminals?

People who openly wish for the downfall of America want Obama.

Has anybody compiled a list of all these ardent admirers of Obama? That might be very insightful