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McCain: 'You Do Not Have To Be Scared' of Obama As President

Politics | Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 5:34:03 pm PDT

Way to go, John. Talking Points Memo jumped all over this one.

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1 kyle_st  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:35:17pm

He's just admitting the obvious. His campaign is over, and he knows it. His advisers and pollsters have likely been telling him that for 2 weeks or so.

2 Karridine  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:35:31pm

John, HERE's your radio spot:
"Who IS Obama?"

3 stevieray  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:35:52pm

Is this Mavericky enough for ya?!

4 Midwestprof  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:35:56pm

WTF?

5 Charles  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:36:10pm

Guh.

6 Karridine  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:36:44pm

Fight, John! FIGHT!

7 cblesz  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:36:45pm

When is he gonna take his balls out of the jar on the mantle?

8 spypeach  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:36:52pm

I heard this earlier, I was hoping nobody would notice...

9 Cartman  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:36:59pm

John, we hardly knew ye.

10 FinallyHere  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:37:04pm

Now McCain will share the blame for all harm that happens to this country when Obama is a President.

first time he did not put Country First, but his desire to be loved by MSM.

11 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:37:11pm

*smack* Snap out of it, John! Don't give it up now! We need you!

12 LGoPs  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:37:37pm

WTF?

13 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:37:44pm

I feel it is a sad day for all veterans.

Especially those of us that served in Vietnam.

I thought we finally had found a fighter,
a man that would stand up to socialism.


/shit

14 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:38:08pm

re: #4 Midwestprof

WTF?

re: #12 LGoPs

WTF?

Seems to be the general consensus around here, so I'll add my own.

WTF?

15 kingkenrod  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:38:08pm

Seems like an awfully short clip. What's the context?

16 ready  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:38:27pm

Sad Sad. I would say Bob Dole II but that would be disrespectful of Bob Dole.

17 Charles  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:38:44pm

I don't think he's losing his nerve as much he's way, WAY, WAAAY too concerned with looking fair.

18 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:38:47pm

re: #16 ready

Sad Sad. I would say Bob Dole II but that would be disrespectful of Bob Dole.

OMG--I was just thinking the same thing.

19 Teacake!  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:38:54pm

there's nothing about obama that doesn't scare me, wtf?

20 Age Of Freedom  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:39:36pm

Sorry John, I am scared of the big 0.

21 Colonel Panik  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:39:53pm

I think I am going to go cling to my FN-FAL.

22 Teacake!  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:39:57pm

or could just be a smart and subtle move to prove he isn't saying to be afraid of him as he claims so often?

23 The Shadow Do  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:40:05pm

Smacks of a concession speech. Not very inspirational I think, but then I am not a candidate or campaign manager so what do I know.

24 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:40:10pm

re: #5 Charles

Dude, check out the clip in context....
McCain booed after telling crowd to be respectful to Obama
Check out the lady in red just before the money quote from McCain, "I can't trust him. I've read about him. He's an arab."
I'm among the first to critisize McCain here but he's scolding his audience for being uninformed and stupid. They put him in a tough spot. McCain supporters are doing a lot of damage. It wasn't that long ago that was a left wing phenomenon. The right has it now too. We have serious problems.

25 spypeach  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:40:47pm

AP reporting Sarah Palin guilty of abusing her power.

McCain camp saying it was politcally motivated. Here comes 24/7 coverage of this non issue.

26 Jack Reacher  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:40:55pm

re: #17 Charles

What a bizarre campaign, when one candidate is overly concerned with looking "fair," and the Legacy Media couldn't care less about fairness.

27 Cartman  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:41:06pm

It's stuff like this that makes campaigning for the man all the more difficult. But, I will trudge on. If it weren't for Palin, I doubt I would have volunteered.

28 patrickafir  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:41:11pm

Ingratiation unto defeat. And now everyone's going to be jumping all over the Palin abuse of power ruling. This entire spectacle has really become depressing.

29 LGoPs  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:41:13pm

This reminds me of the old joke describing the outcome of a fight as:

First I punched him in the fist with my nose

Then I got him in the elbow with my stomach

Then I finished him off with a groin to the knee


Sheesh......!

30 kynna  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:41:13pm

This is why senators are terrible presidents and shouldn't even be considered.

And why I'm voting for Palin.

31 Charles  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:41:16pm

He said it because he's concerned about the recent spin that his speeches are "dangerous."

32 cblesz  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:41:24pm

re: #25 spypeach

AP reporting Sarah Palin guilty of abusing her power.

McCain camp saying it was politcally motivated. Here comes 24/7 coverage of this non issue.

I know. What a freaking joke. Here we go...forget about ayers, et al...

33 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:41:43pm

re: #17 Charles

I'd have to agree with that.

Let's hope Sarah pulls him to the back of the plane over the weekend and smacks some sense into him.

34 FinallyHere  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:41:52pm

re: #16 ready

I agree. Bob Dole fought. McCain fought against Romney and Giuliani who would be great Presidents. At that time he did not think how "clean" was his campaign against those men. And now when he is supposed to fight against Chicago thug, he suddenly wants to be clean. I think this is a betrayal of his party, of his supporters, and what is most important, of his country.

35 stevieray  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:41:58pm

This is what happens when we let the country club "compassionate" conservatives control the republican party.

36 Karridine  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:42:01pm

Fairness, John, ofttimes requires COURAGE!

It is FAIR to enumerate Obama's shady friends, unprincipled character and socialist ideals!

ATTACK, John, in all fairness ATTACK!

37 nyc redneck  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:42:19pm

mccain always tries to be fair.
now is NOT the time to be THAT fair.

let obama prove that he is qualified.
why do it for him?
let him do the work.
and frankly, he won't be able to do it.

38 Charles  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:42:24pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

The right has it now too. We have serious problems.

Ahem. Been trying to politely mention that for a little while now.

39 calcajun  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:42:31pm

You do not have to fear the Nazi liberators!

The Soviets will be nice to us.

Pol Pot has some good ideas!

Castro will be a friend to us.

Chairman Mao will lead the way!

Anyone getting a sick sense that history will repeat itself.

Good thing I started drinking on another thread.

40 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:42:43pm

re: #31 Charles

See #42. The lady in red put him in a really tough spot.

41 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:42:50pm

As bad as this "gaffe" is, I'm still voting for McCain, for the lifetime appointment Judicial picks, if nothing else.

/Obama could still implode, or be indicted, or maybe some other miracle will intervene

42 PaxAmericana  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:43:02pm

I've said it weeks ago and I'll say it again. John McCain is running to lose. I don't think he wants to be president.

43 LGoPs  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:43:07pm

We need to start following the advice of that great philosopher, Harvey Logan, who said "There ain't no rules in a knife fight"

I'm afraid the lesson is lost on John......regrettably

44 Colonel Panik  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:43:21pm

Palin/SomeOldGuy '08

45 Racer X  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:43:25pm

re: #17 Charles

I don't think he's losing his nerve as much he's way, WAY, WAAAY too concerned with looking fair.

I sure hope this is his tactic of looking fair and smiling while he kicks ass and takes names.

"Fight with me".

Lead the way John, lead they way.

46 Karridine  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:43:39pm

Well, John's speeches ARE dangerous, to socialist thug-wannabees!

47 Charles  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:43:40pm

Even in context ... he should not have said that.

48 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:43:41pm

O/T-
Report: Palin abused authority
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS | 10/10/08 8:26 PM EDT

A legislative committee investigating Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has found she unlawfully abused her authority in firing the state's public safety commissioner.

The investigative report concludes that a family grudge wasn't the sole reason for firing Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan but says it likely was a contributing factor.

The Republican vice presidential nominee has been accused of firing a commissioner to settle a family dispute. Palin supporters have called the investigation politically motivated.

Monegan says he was dismissed as retribution for resisting pressure to fire a state trooper involved in a bitter divorce with the governor's sister. Palin says Monegan was fired as part of a legitimate budget dispute.

49 kingkenrod  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:43:51pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

Dude, check out the clip in context....
McCain booed after telling crowd to be respectful to Obama
Check out the lady in red just before the money quote from McCain, "I can't trust him. I've read about him. He's an arab."
I'm among the first to critisize McCain here but he's scolding his audience for being uninformed and stupid. They put him in a tough spot. McCain supporters are doing a lot of damage. It wasn't that long ago that was a left wing phenomenon. The right has it now too. We have serious problems.

Bill Clinton is the master at handling stuff like this...he would say something like "I heard that too, but I don't believe it.". A non-denial denial.

50 Charles  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:44:05pm

I repeat. Guh.

51 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:44:08pm

re: #31 Charles

He said it because he's concerned about the recent spin that his speeches are "dangerous."

dangerous for him?
dangerous for us?

Does John think we really might have a civil war?

52 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:44:10pm

re: #41 Killian Bundy
Don't hold your breath. I'm getting ready to revise my election prediction for a McCain loss to an Obama landslide. The wheels are coming off.

53 patrickafir  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:44:11pm

re: #42 PaxAmericana

I've said it weeks ago and I'll say it again. John McCain is running to lose. I don't think he wants to be president.

I know, huh? It's maddening.

54 Age Of Freedom  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:44:35pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

Dude, check out the clip in context....
McCain booed after telling crowd to be respectful to Obama
Check out the lady in red just before the money quote from McCain, "I can't trust him. I've read about him. He's an arab."
I'm among the first to critisize McCain here but he's scolding his audience for being uninformed and stupid. They put him in a tough spot. McCain supporters are doing a lot of damage. It wasn't that long ago that was a left wing phenomenon. The right has it now too. We have serious problems.

But the left wing media misquoted him. Talking Points Memo is the fire starter.

55 Cartman  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:44:50pm

re: #31 Charles

He said it because he's concerned about the recent spin that his speeches are "dangerous."

He's not a stupid man. He knows the left, backed fully by the media is perfectly capable of complete character assassination.

56 Teacake!  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:45:06pm

well he did say in the debate to speak softly and carry a big stick, lets hope that is the case here. lol

57 jamgarr  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:45:14pm

No time to go wobbly

58 godfrey  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:45:25pm

HotAir has much fuller video, more interaction.

59 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:45:35pm

Frustration level rising here..

60 guzziguy  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:45:42pm

If this SOB didn't want the job why did he run for it? He could have just gotten the hell out of the way and let one of the other candidates who would actually fight for us run.

Asshole.

61 Teacake!  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:45:43pm

the lady in red could have been a plant.

62 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:45:47pm

re: #15 kingkenrod

Seems like an awfully short clip. What's the context?

The crowd was angrily badgering him to take the gloves off and get after Obama.

/McCain to Rally Crowd: "I Want Everyone to Be Respectful"

63 DistantThunder  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:45:57pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

Dude, check out the clip in context....
McCain booed after telling crowd to be respectful to Obama
Check out the lady in red just before the money quote from McCain, "I can't trust him. I've read about him. He's an arab."
I'm among the first to critisize McCain here but he's scolding his audience for being uninformed and stupid. They put him in a tough spot. McCain supporters are doing a lot of damage. It wasn't that long ago that was a left wing phenomenon. The right has it now too. We have serious problems.

I thought he officially is 3/8's arab and 1/8th black + 1/2 white

64 Racer X  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:46:04pm

Lets not have everyone piling on at once now.

65 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:46:17pm

re: #47 Charles

I guess it's one of the risks he takes with these town hall meetings with unscripted questions. He could have handled it better but the audience was participating in his downfall.

66 calcajun  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:46:26pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

Dude, check out the clip in context....
McCain booed after telling crowd to be respectful to Obama
Check out the lady in red just before the money quote from McCain, "I can't trust him. I've read about him. He's an arab."
I'm among the first to critisize McCain here but he's scolding his audience for being uninformed and stupid. They put him in a tough spot. McCain supporters are doing a lot of damage. It wasn't that long ago that was a left wing phenomenon. The right has it now too. We have serious problems.

This sounds a lot like why Chris Buckley is endorsing Obama. The mouth breathers and red necks from the old south Dems have come over to the GOP, turning us into a bunch of know-nothing anti-intellectuals. I agree whole-heartedly that people need to be taught. But the man cannot say "do not fear" BHO as president --that sounds, no matter how you parse it--defeatist.

67 eon  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:46:59pm

re: #25 spypeach

AP reporting Sarah Palin guilty of abusing her power.

McCain camp saying it was politcally motivated. Here comes 24/7 coverage of this non issue.

Anybody want to bet that the (Democratic-controlled) Alaska legislature's next move will be an attempted impeachment?

(With the help of the GOP "old boys'" network up there that she's been kicking in the a$$ for the last decade)

/no chance of it going anywhere before the election, but...........

cheers

eon

68 jetprop  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:47:15pm

Sheez..

Mac should have said, I understand your frustration..we're working the problem..blah..blah..let's stay calm...blah..blah..

69 DeepThroat  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:47:22pm

Isn't this treason?

Why isn't Obama being charged?

[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]

70 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:47:23pm

Still voting for him.

I also hold steady confidence that those of us in the center, who may lean right or left depending on the situation, are as turned off of Obama as I am.

But the Republicans need to run a real conservative in 2012.

This ship is listing too hard a'port.

71 Teacake!  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:47:30pm

is she is saying his being arab scares here he didn't really have any other option than to be diplomatic.

72 jamgarr  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:48:33pm

re: #71 Teacake!

is she is saying his being arab scares here he didn't really have any other option than to be diplomatic.


These days you also have the obligation not to create harmful soundbites

73 godfrey  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:48:39pm

Now that McCain has said this, how is his campaign going to make the Ayers and other associations stick?

74 jwpaine  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:48:41pm

Get ready for the europification of America.

75 Charles  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:49:13pm

Is it too late for Sarah Palin and John McCain to switch places?

76 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:49:25pm

How to Run a Presidential Campaign
by Bob Dole

1. Open mouth
2. Insert foot

Addendum 2008.10.10 John S. McCain
3. Chew vigorously

77 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:49:26pm

re: #9 Cartman

John, we hardly knew ye.

BS. We knew him for years. We have always known that John McCain would only always do what was good for the Democrat party. I don't know why any sane person with any memory whatsoever could have forgotten this essential characteristic of Sen. McCain. Why did anyone think that this time would be different, that he would not be working for the same goal he has always worked for, the defeat of Republicans and the support of Democrats.

I've said from the nomination that this man doesn't want to win. Each day's events, each commercial, each debate, each interview, so far, has served to strengthen that belief.

John McCain is pretending to run for president. He's on Obama's team.
Good grief the man even has ties to Soros, and his own McCain/Feingold has miraculously enabled Obama to raise Half A Billion dollars, half of which came from anonymous overseas donors.

I generally have severe distaste for conspiracy theories, but I think its possible that McCain was selected by the Kingmakers and the D's version of Operation Chaos, precisely because they all knew he would work for the Democrat ticket, while pretending to run. This whole election may just be a sham. Like I said, he even has ties to Soros (Owner-Democrat Party). Google is a fun tool.

Like the time I google-images-ed "Rezko Clinton" and got a few thousand interesting pics that somehow the media never saw.
Google "McCain Soros"

Hey, Communism/Socialism will be fun! It'll be a change! And there ain't squat we can do about it, if my gut feeling about this whole farce is true.

-Taq

78 BakaRanger  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:49:38pm

McCain: 'You Do Not Have To Be Scared' of Obama As President

...But be terrified!

79 Outrider  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:49:43pm

re: #17 Charles

I don't think he's losing his nerve as much he's way, WAY, WAAAY too concerned with looking fair.

As I said in the last thread: He is old school-polite and bipartisan. He is too much the Navy pilot when he needs to be Army Infantryman.

He is fighting a civilized campaign against barbarians who will perceive any politeness or consideration as a weakness to be exploited.

80 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:49:46pm

0bama:

'The muslim call to prayer at evening is one of the most beautiful sounds on the planet.'

"My muslim faith"

Where are you coming from John?

At least shut up about this.

GAAAAAAH !

81 right_on_target  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:49:50pm

I type too slow, this was in the last thread but should be here instead.

During the 2003 Louisiana gubernatorial election Bobby Jindal ran a "clean" election where he refused to attack the character or failings of his opponent, Kathleen Blanco. All the while there were insane accusations leveled at Jindal by the Democrats. These ranged from being a "foreigner", an "Arab", an "evil Washington bureaucrat who robbed old people of medical benefits", and a slew of other insults.
Bobby Jindal took the high road in 2003 and lost to Blanco. Two years later during Katrina Louisiana voters saw what kind of governor they elected. A deer in the headlights.

McCain's election strategy seems to be doing the same. My fingers are crossed for McCain/Palin to win.


If Obama gets elected and a MAJOR crisis occurs he'll waffle just like Blanco did in her major crisis. Remember, the nuclear football is ALWAYS close by the POTUS.

82 FrogMarch  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:50:00pm

re: #17 Charles

I don't think he's losing his nerve as much he's way, WAY, WAAAY too concerned with looking fair.

I think so too. He's just too nice.

83 TheMatrix31  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:50:33pm

It's like a bad dream.

84 Teacake!  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:50:40pm

this is indeed the strangest election process of all time

85 BignJames  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:50:42pm

re: #66 calcajun

This sounds a lot like why Chris Buckley is endorsing Obama. The mouth breathers and red necks from the old south Dems have come over to the GOP, turning us into a bunch of know-nothing anti-intellectuals. I agree whole-heartedly that people need to be taught. But the man cannot say "do not fear" BHO as president --that sounds, no matter how you parse it--defeatist.


This was in Minn. Correct?

86 Colonel Panik  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:50:48pm

I saw a thread on FR today that warned about "astroturfers" infiltrating McCain/Palin rallies to make outrageous statements and make the GOP look bad.

Maybe McCain is aware of this and trying to preempt it.

87 Colonel Panik  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:50:48pm

I saw a thread on FR today that warned about "astroturfers" infiltrating McCain/Palin rallies to make outrageous statements and make the GOP look bad.

Maybe McCain is aware of this and trying to preempt it.

88 JacksonTn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:50:52pm

re: #1 kyle_st

He's just admitting the obvious. His campaign is over, and he knows it. His advisers and pollsters have likely been telling him that for 2 weeks or so.

Your GAZA supervisor says your trolling shift is over .....you can go home now ....ass

89 FrogMarch  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:50:54pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

Dude, check out the clip in context....
McCain booed after telling crowd to be respectful to Obama
Check out the lady in red just before the money quote from McCain, "I can't trust him. I've read about him. He's an arab."
I'm among the first to critisize McCain here but he's scolding his audience for being uninformed and stupid. They put him in a tough spot. McCain supporters are doing a lot of damage. It wasn't that long ago that was a left wing phenomenon. The right has it now too. We have serious problems.

or again - it could be a plant.

90 patrickafir  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:50:54pm

re: #75 Charles

Is it too late for Sarah Palin and John McCain to switch places?

lol No kidding.

91 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:51:03pm

re: #75 Charles

John can promise to resign on Jan. 21.

92 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:51:24pm

What a week to give up drinking (for a while).
If I start drinking, my gout will stop going away; alcohol and indomethacin are not good together (not real bad, but not good).

I made it through Yom Kippur; gout eased enough to make it (but I did have water; if I didn't, the gout would have really come back).

Couldn't even avoid the people talking about the market outside of services.

McCain turns into a wimp.

Got laid off and still haven't paid the debts from the last time, 5 years ago.
(Content delivery networks are having a hard time right now, apparently.)
If 0bama gets elected, the economy will get worse. but at least they'll feed me in the re-education camps (/sarc)

93 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:51:36pm

Sen. McCain, BHO SCARES THE SHIT OUTTA' ME. He's a freakin' commie who plans on fucking up this nation six ways from Sunday.

94 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:51:47pm

re: #86 Colonel Panik

re: #87 Colonel Panik

Stuttering? ;)

95 DistantThunder  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:51:48pm

Mitt Romney would never have said this..Does anyone else miss Mitt as much as I do?

Let's all give a Bronx cheer to Huckabee for splitting the vote so that McCain -most people's 2nd or 3rd choice would win the nomination.

Sarah - save us from this terrorist-tolerating, America-hating, vote-fraud encouraging, military-despising, former drug-using - socialist, Obama.

This man has been a failure at keeping the people of Chicago safe -and that's just from stupid street thugs. What hope is there that he can keep our country safe?

96 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:52:17pm

He was condemned for his 700 b bailout,
his 300 b home owner bailout.

What the piss will Obama do?

America First?

Tax us First,
then we are left with CHANGE.

sorry,
I am becoming erratic.

/later.

97 mrsnuggles  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:52:17pm

Yes, we have no reason to be afraid of socialism or a "global" solution to the economic crisis. This is the reason why the left helped McCain get the republican nomination, because they knew that he would be soft and would not put up the fight that is necessary to save this country from a lying, narcissistic commie.

98 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:52:25pm

Don't panic people!

I'm still hoping that this is all part of the rope-a-dope strategy prepping for Wednesday. Mac will light into Zero then and go for the kill.

If he doesn't, I'll be here with egg on my face and we will all be royally screwed.

99 jwpaine  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:52:40pm

re: #77 Taqiyyotomist

Hey, Communism/Socialism will be fun! It'll be a change! And there ain't squat we can do about it, if my gut feeling about this whole farce is true.

Well, I suspect there are a few of us who won't go quietly into that particular good night.

100 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:52:49pm

I've looked at John from both sides now
From repub and dem and still somehow
It's John's delusions I recall
I really don't know John at all.

101 Colonel Panik  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:52:51pm

re: #94 Fat Jolly Penguin

re: #87 Colonel Panik

Stuttering? ;)

I dunno...LGF has been acting weird on my Safari lately. I only hit the send button once...

102 looking closely  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:52:52pm

I don't care what McCain says. . .

Maybe I don't "have to" be scared of Obama as President, but I am anyway.

The guy has been hanging out with thugs and racists for decades, his economic sense is pure Marxist, he's going to raise my taxes, and lose the war in Iraq.

Not good. . .

103 godfrey  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:53:25pm

re: #77 Taqiyyotomist

...

God. Damn. It.

104 Age Of Freedom  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:53:28pm

McCain didn't do jack. Sorry, I really don't see what's wrong in his answer to someone that's venting about being 'scared' of 0bama.

It's the fomented media that's anally misquoting him to "prove the worst".

Come on Charles, no matter what John will say it can and will be deliberately misquoted, even when he's replying in context - like in this case.

105 Adrenalyn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:53:30pm

pass this man the KY Jelly

106 JacksonTn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:53:35pm

He meant .....Obama's presidency of Iran .......

107 Racer X  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:53:36pm

I can understand the disappointment with this video clip. But think about this - the left has been issuing veiled threats lately about what WILL happen if Obama loses. James Carville said there will be riots in the streets.

This is Mac's way of putting everyone on notice he will not tolerate that type of crap in his campaign. WHEN McCain wins he is going to have quite a battle calming down the losers who will be screaming about a stolen election. Hell, he will be lucky to get anything accomplished his first year in office.

But he will win.

108 cjstavern  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:53:43pm

McCain is right, you shouldn't be "scared" you should be "scared shi*less!"

109 TheMatrix31  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:53:44pm

re: #95 DistantThunder

Mitt Romney would never have said this..Does anyone else miss Mitt as much as I do?

Let's all give a Bronx cheer to Huckabee for splitting the vote so that McCain -most people's 2nd or 3rd choice would win the nomination.

Sarah - save us from this terrorist-tolerating, America-hating, vote-fraud encouraging, military-despising, former drug-using - socialist, Obama.

This man has been a failure at keeping the people of Chicago safe -and that's just from stupid street thugs. What hope is there that he can keep our country safe?

How unbelievable would a Romney/Palin ticket have been? That would have been a "Not Scared of SHIT" ticket. A real straight-talk ticket.

Damn.

110 swamprat  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:53:45pm

re: #48 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

O/T-
Report: Palin abused authority
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS | 10/10/08 8:26 PM EDT


A legislative committee investigating Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has found she unlawfully abused her authority in firing the state's public safety commissioner.

The investigative report concludes that a family grudge wasn't the sole reason for firing Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan but says it likely was a contributing factor.

The Republican vice presidential nominee has been accused of firing a commissioner to settle a family dispute. Palin supporters have called the investigation politically motivated.

Monegan says he was dismissed as retribution for resisting pressure to fire a state trooper involved in a bitter divorce with the governor's sister. Palin says Monegan was fired as part of a legitimate budget dispute.

The findings of a legislative committee, combined with $1.85(plus tax), will allow you to purchase a cup of coffee with unlimited refills at most "Denny's" fine restaurants.


/true fact;the best kind
111 Charles  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:53:54pm

Muhammad Ali is the only person in history who has actually pulled off the "rope-a-dope."

112 kynna  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:54:03pm

re: #86 Colonel Panik

I saw a thread on FR today that warned about "astroturfers" infiltrating McCain/Palin rallies to make outrageous statements and make the GOP look bad.

Maybe McCain is aware of this and trying to preempt it.

If this is true then the more outrageous statements should be grounds for detention and questioning. Then find out if astroturfing is going on and shout it to the heavens.

The MSM and the Obama campaign is definitely not averse to supplementing the crowd to get their desired result.

113 big L  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:54:06pm

Remember the open primaries where the Donks voted inthe Republican candidate? This is what we got.
M'Cain doesn't just want to lose he wants to take the country with him. Does this make sense? Why not see hat happens and if you want to go home to Sedona, and miss a few appearances ...so what. Why sink people working hard for you?
I hate all this phony collegiality from the Senate. the ya re the worst candidates. that is why JFK was the last one.
M'Cain just can't attack a fellow Senator. Why go to the debate John. Why not resign from the Senate too.

114 HelloDare  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:54:23pm

You could understand, not agree with, but understand McCain's comment if Obama were acting as magnanimous as McCain. But he isn't. Obama is using every dirty trick. Hiring ACORN, astroturfing -- you name it. I'm afraid McCain is acting the fool. An honest, patriotic fool, but still a complete fool. He's undercutting Palin's attacks on Obama's character. What the hell is he thinking. Gah infinity.

115 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:54:30pm

re: #75 Charles

Is it too late for Sarah Palin and John McCain to switch places?

/true

116 guzziguy  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:54:32pm

The tree of liberty....

TJ

117 Strike Hornet  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:54:40pm

re: #43 LGoPs

We need to start following the advice of that great philosopher, Harvey Logan, who said "There ain't no rules in a knife fight"

I'm afraid the lesson is lost on John......regrettably

I love that movie...RIP Paul...

118 Florida Lady  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:55:03pm

re: #79 Outrider

As I said in the last thread: He is old school-polite and bipartisan. He is too much the Navy pilot when he needs to be Army Infantryman.

He is fighting a civilized campaign against barbarians who will perceive any politeness or consideration as a weakness to be exploited.

With propr apologies to Navy guys:

My dad always said there must be something bad in the Navy water to produce J F Kennedy (sorry, he couldn't stand him), Carter, Kerry, & McCain . . .

Oh, and my Uncle Ed - which is probably his biggest beef with the Navy.

Of course, Dad was an Army guy.

119 cblesz  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:55:04pm

re: #110 swamprat

Ridiculous...AP needs to read...it says "a family grudge was not the sole reason"...JESUS! I have had about enough!

120 eon  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:55:23pm

re: #48 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

O/T-
Report: Palin abused authority
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS | 10/10/08 8:26 PM EDT

The investigative report concludes that a family grudge wasn't the sole reason for firing Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan but says it likely was a contributing factor.

Monegan says he was dismissed as retribution for resisting pressure to fire a state trooper involved in a bitter divorce with the governor's sister. Palin says Monegan was fired as part of a legitimate budget dispute.


And I say, since the trooper in question used a Taser on a ten-year-old boy, was caught intoxicated on duty at least twice, and apparently discharged his service weapon at his supervisor (after making threats against said supervisor), any LEO I'm familiar with would have had him up in front of IA, then a review board, and out on the street minus badge, gun and uniform so fast his head would still be spinning today.

If Monegan could not grasp the concept of "this loose cannon is a danger to himself and others, and should not be in uniform", he is clearly too stupid to be a Public Safety Commissioner- or anything else.

/I'd expect better reasoning from Krusty the Clown

cheers

eon

121 FrogMarch  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:55:32pm

re: #62 Killian Bundy

The crowd was angrily badgering him to take the gloves off and get after Obama.

/McCain to Rally Crowd: "I Want Everyone to Be Respectful"


there's nothing wrong with saying "I want everyone to be respectful" - but that's all that's needed. Sometimes John needs to remember to just keep it simple.

122 Carolyn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:55:43pm

McCain thinks Obama will be POTUS.
He is already kissing his ass.

123 DistantThunder  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:56:06pm

re: #93 MandyManners

Sen. McCain, BHO SCARES THE SHIT OUTTA' ME. He's a freakin' commie who plans on fucking up this nation six ways from Sunday.

Me too MAndy! I did not give birth to my children to have them forced to become slaves of the socialist state.

124 EE  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:56:22pm

The Obama thugs send agents provocateurs to McCain rallies to say "Death to Obama!", and to get this response from John McCain, to sweep the rug out from under his campaign.

Just have the creep arrested and investigate who sent him. You don't have to disarm your campaign, Senator.

125 FrogMarch  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:56:26pm

McCain should have said - "he scares me too. I don't believe he's a Muslim, but he is a socialist."

126 Colonel Panik  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:56:37pm

The base is really getting angry with the enemedia. Hannity had some great interviews about this on his radio show yesterday afternoon.

127 DeepThroat  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:56:47pm

McCain should have said, "He scares me too!" and then list the reasons why Obama is dangerous for America.

There's an elephant in the room, McCain is being PC and won't come down hard on a black man.

Meanwhile, Obama commits treason.

[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]

128 Arbalest  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:56:48pm

It really does look like Sen. McCain is trying to wage a fair campaign.

If anyone in the McCain campaign is reading this (and many other threads), you need to pay attention to what you are reading.

Obama just might be an honest man, but he's much too short on experience and well in over his head in basic evil: swindlers, racists, domestic terrorists, incompetents, whackjobs, Brownshirts, etc.

You have to start talking about these things, all of them, loudly and forcefully. Even about Wright.

You have to face the evil and fight it. You've done it before, and this time it's only 26 days.

We can help a lot, but we can't do it for you.

129 patrickafir  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:57:13pm

re: #122 Carolyn

McCain thinks Obama will be POTUS.
He is already kissing his ass.

That's, sadly, how it seems to me lately.

130 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:57:31pm

So let me ask this question: We've seen sixteen plus years of the democrats attacking republicans with no or very little truth on their side. The Clintons pulled it, and the dems pulled it these past eight years with Bush in the WH.

Their MO is lies, lies, lies. And yes, they've been effective with the IQ challenged public and their sycophantic crowd.

Do we really want to jump down into that hole with them? Do we really want to so devalue the election process that we're willing to do anything, anything, to get elected?

Because if we lower ourselves once while saying to ourselves, "it's just this once! We have to do this in order to get elected!", then we will become the very despicable characters we repudiate.

131 Abu Al-Poopypants  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:57:38pm

Maybe he's decided in the past couple of weeks that he doesn't want to be the President while we're trying to climb out of the Barney Frank economy.

132 TheMatrix31  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:57:44pm

re: #128 Arbalest

It really does look like Sen. McCain is trying to wage a fair campaign.

If anyone in the McCain campaign is reading this (and many other threads), you need to pay attention to what you are reading.

Obama just might be an honest man, but he's much too short on experience and well in over his head in basic evil: swindlers, racists, domestic terrorists, incompetents, whackjobs, Brownshirts, etc.

You have to start talking about these things, all of them, loudly and forcefully. Even about Wright.

You have to face the evil and fight it. You've done it before, and this time it's only 26 days.

We can help a lot, but we can't do it for you.

When youre trying to have a fair campaign and the other side is doing anything but being fair, you're gonna lose. When by being fair, you exclude everything that's fucking WRONG with the guy you're running against, you're gonna lose.

133 godfrey  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:58:01pm

Palin hasn't been bought.

Get her into the VP office, stat.

134 DistantThunder  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:58:05pm

re: #102 looking closely

I don't care what McCain says. . .

Maybe I don't "have to" be scared of Obama as President, but I am anyway.

The guy has been hanging out with thugs and racists for decades, his economic sense is pure Marxist, he's going to raise my taxes, and lose the war in Iraq.

Not good. . .

His friend Odinga - who he campaigned for in Kenya - managed to get 1000 people killed in post election riots that he started to protest his loss - and only 500,000 people were displaced from their homes.

Don't worry. Be happy.

135 Metal Man  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:58:16pm

Does the job of POTUS suck so badly that they both are running to lose it?

BO and McCain appear to be both trying their best to throw this fight.

136 nyc redneck  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:58:17pm

the woman in the red dress put mccain in an awkward spot.
he really had to distance himself from her. i just wish he could have been less positive abt. the grifter.
i bet the dems are putting trouble makers in the audience to act obnoxious, hoping it reflects badly on mccain.
they needs to screen for these scum. especially right now.

137 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:58:21pm

re: #111 Charles

Muhammad Ali is the only person in history who has actually pulled off the "rope-a-dope."

The wager is made, sir. :-)

138 big L  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:58:25pm

OTOH, check out the site hillbuzz.wordpress.com, iirc
theys ae the disenchanted Hil supporters. They say that the RICO is comin' for Oby and that Hill supporters are urged to support and vote for M'cain. And that the polls are wrong...M'Cain has lots support in the kill-zone states, they have stated.
Hope they are correct...

139 calcajun  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:58:38pm

re: #85 BignJames

This was in Minn. Correct?

red neck is a red neck.

Sorry if I sound slightly biased, but I remember all too well my baptism into Louisiana politics and the mind-set of the electorate in the early 80's. It was Dave Treen vs. the oft-indicted Edwin Edwards. It was well known that Edwards was a crook, but no one wanted to vote for Treen for fear that he could be worse. These weren't blue-collar workers who said this, but my superiors; officers at the bank where I worked. There was no talking to them.

140 Florida Lady  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:58:40pm

re: #95 DistantThunder

Mitt Romney would never have said this..Does anyone else miss Mitt as much as I do?

Let's all give a Bronx cheer to Huckabee for splitting the vote so that McCain -most people's 2nd or 3rd choice would win the nomination.

I miss Mitt . . . sniff

But we must win with the hand we've been dealt.

141 jwpaine  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:59:04pm

re: #116 guzziguy

Hear, hear.

142 calcajun  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:59:26pm

re: #111 Charles

Muhammad Ali is the only person in history who has actually pulled off the "rope-a-dope."

And he was prettier than McCain

143 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:59:35pm

re: #104 Age Of Freedom

McCain didn't do jack. Sorry, I really don't see what's wrong in his answer to someone that's venting about being 'scared' of 0bama.

Um, I don't know, maybe he could have left out the "President of the United States" part?

/BIG no no!

144 calvin coolidge  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:59:39pm

Relax people. McCain will win this election. Don't make me say, "I told you so" on November 5th.

145 Allah al Fubar  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:59:40pm

I remember McCain in the 90's.

I guess he's living in them.

I give up. No vote.

I'm incredibly disappointed in him. Incredibly disappointed.

146 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:59:51pm

re: #89 FrogMarch

or again - it could be a plant.

That dog ain't gonna hunt. There's no grand conspiracy. Just like all those antisemitic diaries that used to be all over Dkos were not Rovian false flags planted by operatives like the koskid claimed.
The lady in red put McCain in a really tough spot. Suppose she said" I don't trust him because he's a negro" or "I don't trust him because he's a Jew". Her statement was overtly racist and having racist supporters reflects very badly on McCain's campaign. He should have told her to worry about his economic policies instead but he was reacting to a very bad situation.
The left has been greatly damaged by its stupid, crazy, ill informed hysterical bigots in the past. Now it's our turn.
/So it goes

147 Carolyn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:59:53pm

You can't play fair with a party that is busing in homeless people and registering dead people.
I have wondered if McCain wanted to win for months.

148 looking closely  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:00:09pm

Here's one for the child abuse case files:

Syrian dad hands 2 year old child a gun, and watch what happens:

Website itself is probably full of NSFW stuff, but this video is OK.

149 CJW  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:00:17pm

Screw it. I was going to vote for him just to offset my ignorant daughter's vote for Obama. Now I'm going back to my original plan-- I'm writing myself in for president. He doesn't deserve my vote.

150 DistantThunder  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:00:47pm

re: #125 FrogMarch

McCain should have said - "he scares me too. I don't believe he's a Muslim, but he is a socialist."

Yes and then should have said: "this country was built on certain principles of freedom and principles of economic and civil liberties. We do not want anyone near the White House who does not share our devotion to those principles of freedom and prosperity and a respectful limited government.

151 engrpat  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:00:48pm

Sad to say the only people in the world that McCain will fight are republicans. He has spent so much time crossing the isle he forget where his home is. He was more than willing to attack Mitt, without showing any respect for the man but for someone who wants to destroy our way of life he wants to be friends with. Why doesn't McCain just join Obama and hold a joint campaign? Yeah I'm PO'd.

152 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:00:51pm

re: #93 MandyManners

Sen. McCain, BHO SCARES THE SHIT OUTTA' ME. He's a freakin' commie who plans on fucking up this nation six ways from Sunday.

Ah, Mandy - JustMyView gave you a minus on this post. FYI.

153 FinallyHere  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:00:55pm

On the second thought, could it be a plant that tried to provoke McCain?

After all these MSM screams that McCain's supporters are crazy, one can suspect anything.

154 Basho  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:00:55pm

This is what someone said to McCain before he said that you don't have to be scared of Barack (from HotAir):

“I’m scared to bring up my child in a world where Barack Obama is president.”

I mean, McCain responded in the only sensible way.

These people are most certainly plants.

155 eric_odessit  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:00:58pm

It looks like he does not want to win. How sad.
Eric.

156 Outrider  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:01:09pm

re: #120 eon

And I say, since the trooper in question used a Taser on a ten-year-old boy, was caught intoxicated on duty at least twice, and apparently discharged his service weapon at his supervisor (after making threats against said supervisor), any LEO I'm familiar with would have had him up in front of IA, then a review board, and out on the street minus badge, gun and uniform so fast his head would still be spinning today.

If Monegan could not grasp the concept of "this loose cannon is a danger to himself and others, and should not be in uniform", he is clearly too stupid to be a Public Safety Commissioner- or anything else.

/I'd expect better reasoning from Krusty the Clown

cheers

eon

Appointees that serve at the pleasure of the Governor or President can apparently only be let go by Democrats never Republicans. If I recall correctly President Clinton fired 93 US attorneys then asked for resignations of 30 more later on in his administration?

157 Racer X  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:01:17pm

re: #122 Carolyn

McCain thinks Obama will be POTUS.
He is already kissing his ass.

I disagree.

Telling a hostile crowd to be respectful, and taking the high road is not kissing Obama's ass.

But by all means, throw up the white flag.

158 stuiec  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:01:43pm

re: #93 MandyManners

Sen. McCain, BHO SCARES THE SHIT OUTTA' ME. He's a freakin' commie who plans on fucking up this nation six ways from Sunday.


From TIME, via Hot Air:

And then later, again, someone dangled a great big piece of low-hanging fruit in front of McCain: “I’m scared to bring up my child in a world where Barack Obama is president.”

McCain replies, “Well, I don’t want him to be president, either. I wouldn’t be running if I did. But,” and he pauses for emphasis, “you don’t have to be scared to have him be President of the United States.” A round of boos…


The proper response would have been:

"Well, Well, I don’t want him to be president, either. I wouldn’t be running if I did. But you shouldn't be scared of Barack Obama -- you should be scared of the policies he would put in place with the help of a Democratic Congress."

159 Pigtown Water Dog  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:01:52pm

re: #123 DistantThunder

I am with you. We did not go through what we went through to put up with the 0.

160 WindHorse  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:02:04pm

I hate to say it, but I called this shxx in August 2007.

"John who?"

161 looking closely  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:02:08pm

re: #95 DistantThunder

Mitt Romney would never have said this..Does anyone else miss Mitt as much as I do?

Let's all give a Bronx cheer to Huckabee for splitting the vote so that McCain -most people's 2nd or 3rd choice would win the nomination.


I like Mitt, but he wouldn't have picked Palin or energized the base.
On the other hand, he may well have run a more aggressive campaign otherwise, and he certainly would have wiped the floor with Obama during the debates.
By the way, Huckabee splitting the vote to enable McCain was part of a "gentleman's" agreement by McCain and Huckabee. . .it wasn't an accident.

162 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:02:15pm

How about the stock market?
/just trying to cheer up the crowd

163 Allah al Fubar  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:02:15pm

QUESTION:

Is it still possible to write in Hillary?

I'm a life long Republican, but I'm going to go ahead and write her in. McCain won't care. That's for sure.

164 Devil's Advocate  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:02:44pm

I was listening to Rush this morning. He said something along the lines of let me play McCain talking about Ayers, just so we can hear it before he denounces himself.

165 DistantThunder  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:02:46pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout

That dog ain't gonna hunt. There's no grand conspiracy. Just like all those antisemitic diaries that used to be all over Dkos were not Rovian false flags planted by operatives like the koskid claimed.
The lady in red put McCain in a really tough spot. Suppose she said" I don't trust him because he's a negro" or "I don't trust him because he's a Jew". Her statement was overtly racist and having racist supporters reflects very badly on McCain's campaign. He should have told her to worry about his economic policies instead but he was reacting to a very bad situation.
The left has been greatly damaged by its stupid, crazy, ill informed hysterical bigots in the past. Now it's our turn.
/So it goes

She called him an Arab not a muslim and I think he is mostly white some arab and a tiny bit black. I think she was right.

167 Basho  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:02:48pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout

Agree completely.

168 sparrowlake  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:02:58pm

McCain is not stupid. His wimpish and bipartisan statement was calculated to appeal to the swing voters - not to his base. He was trying to "reach across the aisle" to lure some Hilary Dems into his camp. McCain was willing to take the hits from his base in order to avoid being portrayed as a mean partisan.

So over here at LGF it doesn't really matter that hard Reps are pissed off. Just like it didn't really matter that his base Rep audience was displeased - although the booing was probably more than he bargained for. He stayed on message with his strategy of restraint.

That's what I think he was trying to do. Whether the strategy is working is a different matter, but the answer to that lies in the ranks of the swing voters, not among his committed base.

169 Allah al Fubar  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:03:04pm

re: #152 Intrepid

Ah, Mandy - JustMyView gave you a minus on this post. FYI.


Well, I'll give her a double minus.

170 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:03:37pm

re: #158 stuiec

The proper response would have been:

"Well, Well, I don’t want him to be president, either. I wouldn’t be running if I did. But you shouldn't be scared of Barack Obama -- you should be scared of the policies he would put in place with the help of a Democratic Congress."

DINGDINGDING! We have a winnah'!

171 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:03:42pm

re: #142 calcajun

And he was prettier than McCain

Yo, calcajun, from previous thread, yes, please send muffaletta recipe.

172 StPatrick  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:03:49pm

What kind of strange reality is this? Only 50 years ago, Barry O (ignoring race for the purpose of the example) would have been laughed off the stage while running for any office, within any party. We used to respect military service and hold those without accomplishments in low regard. We are truly in Bizarro world.

173 WindHorse  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:03:51pm

the man has no killer instinct.

174 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:03:53pm

re: #163 Allah al Fubar

That's a good point. I was on the fence between Hillary and McCain before the Dem nomination. If Hillary was running I'd be voting Dem this year.

175 NY Nana  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:04:02pm

On Fox, Palin is getting hammered by the Alaska State Ethics Board....I feel like puking.

'Made up', 'family just trying to get the POS fired'....

Off to the vomitoreum....

176 FinallyHere  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:04:18pm

re: #145 Allah al Fubar

I remember McCain in the 90's.

I guess he's living in them.

I give up. No vote.

I'm incredibly disappointed in him. Incredibly disappointed.

I never planned to vote for McCain, but I will vote against Obama.
I do not want to share the blame for disaster that Obama will bring on the USA, Israel, and whatever is left from the West.

177 TheMatrix31  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:04:20pm

re: #168 sparrowlake

McCain is not stupid. His wimpish and bipartisan statement was calculated to appeal to the swing voters - not to his base. He was trying to "reach across the aisle" to lure some Hilary Dems into his camp. McCain was willing to take the hits from his base in order to avoid being portrayed as a mean partisan.

So over here at LGF it doesn't really matter that hard Reps are pissed off. Just like it didn't really matter that his base Rep audience was displeased - although the booing was probably more than he bargained for. He stayed on message with his strategy of restraint.

That's what I think he was trying to do. Whether the strategy is working is a different matter, but the answer to that lies in the ranks of the swing voters, not among his committed base.

But it undercuts what his VP and his campaign has been trying to get out for a week now. Something they should have fucking been doing for months now. But that shit undercuts it all.

178 bill-tb  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:04:21pm

Yosemite was off his game today, I saw parts of the stupid townhall, it was best summed up as "huh" what was that all about.

179 eon  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:04:33pm

re: #148 looking closely

Here's one for the child abuse case files:

Syrian dad hands 2 year old child a gun, and watch what happens:

Website itself is probably full of NSFW stuff, but this video is OK.

I'd venture to call that an instant Darwin Award. Horrible for the child, though.

What surprises me is that a 2-year-old could set off a P-35 High Power, which normally has a very heavy and rather gritty trigger pull.

/personal experience, but I like mine anyway

cheers

eon

180 Charles  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:05:09pm

Wow, a -6 rating on this post. That's OK, I'm not taking it personally.

181 azcon  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:05:12pm

Maybe it's reverse psychology...? Or sarcasm...oh no...you don't have to be scared of Obama....not at all.

182 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:05:15pm

re: #152 Intrepid

Ah, Mandy - JustMyView gave you a minus on this post. FYI.

Well, fuck her.

183 joecitizen  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:05:18pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

Dude, check out the clip in context....
McCain booed after telling crowd to be respectful to Obama
Check out the lady in red just before the money quote from McCain, "I can't trust him. I've read about him. He's an arab."
I'm among the first to critisize McCain here but he's scolding his audience for being uninformed and stupid. They put him in a tough spot. McCain supporters are doing a lot of damage. It wasn't that long ago that was a left wing phenomenon. The right has it now too. We have serious problems.

this is an evil effin bridge to straddle..it breaks my heart that we need the votes of people I'd smack around in a bar for spewing this racist stupid shit just to win this election..fucking stupid uneducated ill raised losers are the difference this rime..and what's worse,coddling these dimwits or dealing with socialist fucking barry?

184 FrogMarch  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:05:23pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout

lady in red probably not a plant. But the "kill him" dood could have been?
just saying "could". w/ The acorn cheating and the guy who hacked Palin's e-mail, etc... It crosses the mind that this could be more democrat shenanigans.

185 stuiec  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:05:35pm

re: #43 LGoPs

We need to start following the advice of that great philosopher, Harvey Logan, who said "There ain't no rules in a knife fight"

I'm afraid the lesson is lost on John......regrettably

Didn't work out too well for Harvey, though, did it?

186 Carolyn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:05:40pm

re: #157 Racer X

No white flag from me, McCain is the one who will not fight.
There is an abundance to fight.
Anyone but Obama.

187 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:05:50pm

re: #165 DistantThunder

I'm not arguing her understanding of genetics and race. I couldn't give a shit. Her statement was still overtly racist and would have seriously damaged his campaign if it wasn't already seriously damaged.

188 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:05:52pm

re: #134 DistantThunder

His friend Odinga - who he campaigned for in Kenya - managed to get 1000 people killed in post election riots that he started to protest his loss - and only 500,000 people were displaced from their homes.

Don't worry. Be happy.

So what will happen in the post-Obama-loss riots here?
Maybe McCain is trying to prevent that? (Please, we will survive riots, but not an 0bama presidency and Iranian nukes.)

189 looking closely  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:05:56pm

re: #162 Killgore Trout

How about the stock market?
/just trying to cheer up the crowd

Why don't you tell me my dog died instead?

190 yah  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:06:07pm

re: #105 Adrenalyn


pass this man the KY Jelly

Maybe somebody should pass the KY jelly to us.

191 NY Nana  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:06:10pm

re: #152 Intrepid

JustMyView gave you is a minus on this post blog.FYI.

Fixed it for you.

192 Colonel Panik  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:06:14pm

re: #148 looking closely

Here's one for the child abuse case files:

Syrian dad hands 2 year old child a gun, and watch what happens:

Website itself is probably full of NSFW stuff, but this video is OK.

To bad that kid didn't aim that Browning a few inches lower, he'd have prevented Jihad Dad from bringing anymore little mujaheeds into the world.

193 Age Of Freedom  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:06:23pm

Sorry, but this thread is absolutely BS. Is this LGF or the Daily Kos?

Again the full vid:
[Link: hotair.com...]

McCain's should be praised for his responsible answers, especially to that old lady in red. It's the Talking Points Memo that deliberately misquoted him as if he concluded this in a speech.

I can't believe people here are actually falling for this BS and actually going against McCain. It's seriously dumb and demoralizing, especially for this community.

Down rate me for all I care.

194 joecitizen  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:06:35pm

'scuse me while I go puke and smoke...

195 10ring  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:06:45pm

Dear God, when are republicans going to grow a pair and realize this is WAR, and if we don't throw down and fight hard all is lost?

WTH is this man thinking.

196 Yankee Division Son  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:06:52pm

Sorry folks, I hate to admit it, but I am loosing faith in McCain the politician.

In the last debate, when the moderator asked "whom might you be considering for Secretary of the Treasury?" I thought to myself, now there's one right done the middle John. Swing batter batter, swing. knock it out of the park. Say it. Two words. Mitt (Freaking) Romney. SAY IT!

Nope, he said he liked Obama's guy. I couldn't believe it. Now this.
I've begun to think, in the realm of 21st century politics and media..

John McCain is just to nice to be a politician..

197 HelloDare  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:07:04pm

Where is the rest of the clip?

Did he burst out laughing afterwards?

Was he talking to a person in a straight jacket and didn't want to rile him.

Did he add, "but I kid."

Did he end with, "And if you believe that I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you." Or, "Whoa boy, I crack myself up."

198 HillJack  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:07:07pm

The only thing that can save this campaign is a huge October surprise and I just don't see it happening. Too many people in this country are willing to give the Chosen One a pass on everything. It seems the majority of the American people don't want a leader, they want a nanny and it truly saddens me to see the direction in which this country is heading. I have no doubt that Barry and the Democratically controlled Congress will do their utmost to destroy everything that conservatives hold dear. I was always going to hold my nose and vote for McCain so that will not change. I just don't think it will do any good.

199 Hard Right  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:07:39pm

Way to go John. Plan to loudly fart in church next?

200 JacksonTn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:07:41pm

re: #182 MandyManners

Well, fuck her.

Wow, I have been picturing JMW as a man/boy ....... kinda shocked its a girl ......are you sure its a girl?

201 Basho  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:07:43pm

re: #193 Age Of Freedom

I can't believe people here are actually falling for this BS and actually going against McCain. It's seriously dumb and demoralizing, especially for this community.

Down rate me for all I care.

Up rate for you since you're being completely reasonable!

202 swamprat  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:07:59pm

smelling kinda moby around here


waitin for the false flag race baiters

203 Charles  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:08:16pm

I am sensing anger.

204 yah  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:08:36pm

re: #135 Metal Man


Does the job of POTUS suck so badly that they both are running to lose it?
BO and McCain appear to be both trying their best to throw this fight.

The winner will demand a recount.

205 Age Of Freedom  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:08:42pm

re: #143 Killian Bundy

Um, I don't know, maybe he could have left out the "President of the United States" part?

/BIG no no!

It honestly didn't even cross my mind, and it still doesn't even feel anything like "admitting" defeat.

206 noshariaincanada  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:08:48pm

re: #203 Charles

I am sensing anger.

I am sensing frustration.

207 Racer X  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:08:51pm
208 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:09:07pm

re: #184 FrogMarch

lady in red probably not a plant. But the "kill him" dood could have been?


I don't know what to think about the "Kill him" claims. Last I heard the reporter wasn't returning calls from the Secret Service. Who knows what happened. But I think part of the reason we have this McCain quote tonight is because his audience is getting out of control. This might be part of a growing trend.

209 godfrey  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:09:19pm

All it takes is to look at what Frank, Raines, Gorelick, Obama et al did to global finance. They completely screwed us all.

That my friends is the killer instinct.

That's what you're up against.

210 guzziguy  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:09:25pm

re: #203 Charles

I am sensing anger.

One angry upding for noticing the obvious. :-)

211 Thanos  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:09:40pm

When confronted by insanity several times per day you can't expect every moment and every bite to be perfect, you have to expect some stumbles which will be magnified. Those of you getting the vapors over this are getting a bit jelly spined in my humble opinion.
Time enough to talk about what was wrong if he loses, we'll have four years to grumble. Buck up, get a grip, it ain't over yet.

212 TheMatrix31  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:09:51pm

WAIT......could it be taken that McCain was saying "You don't have to be scared of Obama as President" as in because it won't happen and "There's no fucking way I'm letting him become President"?

213 Colonel Panik  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:10:01pm

re: #206 noshariaincanada

I am sensing frustration.

The base is extremely frustrated with the media bias.

215 jopa416  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:10:09pm

McCain sure knows how to throw a wet towel on a golden opportunity to bring Obama down.

I don't think he wants to be president. Maybe he is being threatend.

216 Celtic Templar  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:10:12pm

re: #165 DistantThunder

She called him an Arab not a muslim and I think he is mostly white some arab and a tiny bit black. I think she was right.

But the thing isn't if she is accurate about the man's race. It's about the stereotype that is racist. So he's an arab, that is nothing to be afraid of. His radical associations and his policies, sure, his race, no.

McCain is honorable and correct.

217 jamgarr  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:10:16pm

re: #207 Racer X

Thats it man. Game over man! Game over!


Hudson, get over here!

218 tasteslikechicken[deleted]  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:10:24pm
219 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:10:33pm

re: #162 Killgore Trout

How about the stock market?
/just trying to cheer up the crowd

Hey, I had a quite a lucrative day today.

/riding the DOW ETF (DIA) short on the way down and then riding it long on two of the upswings for a total of three pretty sweet day trades

220 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:10:38pm

re: #200 JacksonTn

Wow, I have been picturing JMW as a man/boy ....... kinda shocked its a girl ......are you sure its a girl?


Sharmuta thinks it's a woman.

221 JustMyView  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:11:04pm

re: #139 calcajun

red neck is a red neck.

Sorry if I sound slightly biased, but I remember all too well my baptism into Louisiana politics and the mind-set of the electorate in the early 80's. It was Dave Treen vs. the oft-indicted Edwin Edwards. It was well known that Edwards was a crook, but no one wanted to vote for Treen for fear that he could be worse. These weren't blue-collar workers who said this, but my superiors; officers at the bank where I worked. There was no talking to them.

You might be interested in this David Brooks editorial, which talks about what has happened to "idea people" in the Republican party.

222 Age Of Freedom  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:11:08pm

re: #196 Yankee Division Son

Sorry folks, I hate to admit it, but I am loosing faith in McCain the politician.

In the last debate, when the moderator asked "whom might you be considering for Secretary of the Treasury?" I thought to myself, now there's one right done the middle John. Swing batter batter, swing. knock it out of the park. Say it. Two words. Mitt (Freaking) Romney. SAY IT!

Nope, he said he liked Obama's guy. I couldn't believe it. Now this.
I've begun to think, in the realm of 21st century politics and media..

John McCain is just to nice to be a politician..

Great point, however, let's just all give up, boo John and lose any glimpses of hope to him be the president instead of the big 0.

223 Basho  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:11:17pm

re: #196 Yankee Division Son

John McCain is just to nice to be a politician..

Meh... his honesty, integrity, and kindness are reasons I'm voting for him.

He doesn't want to lose this election. This is his dream. And this year will be his very last chance to try to accomplish said dream in his lifetime. He just has a limit as to how low he will stoop to do it. We need more Americans like him.

224 looking closely  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:11:22pm

re: #179 eon

I'd venture to call that an instant Darwin Award. Horrible for the child, though.

What surprises me is that a 2-year-old could set off a P-35 High Power, which normally has a very heavy and rather gritty trigger pull.

/personal experience, but I like mine anyway


Well, a straight Hi-Power is supposed to have a mag safety, and I think the dad ejected the mag at the beginning of the video (though obviously forgetting about the round in the chamber).

Also, unless he was carrying it cocked and UNLOCKED, either he or the kid had to disengage the safety before this incident.

225 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:11:27pm

re: #206 noshariaincanada

I am sensing frustration.

I'm sensing it's Miller Time! Bar's open!

226 Racer X  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:11:53pm

re: #208 Killgore Trout

I don't know what to think about the "Kill him" claims. Last I heard the reporter wasn't returning calls from the Secret Service. Who knows what happened. But I think part of the reason we have this McCain quote tonight is because his audience is getting out of control. This might be part of a growing trend.

Exactly!

I think Mac is just trying to calm some people down. God knows the left will freaking explode when he wins.

227 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:12:12pm

re: #219 Killian Bundy

Lucky you. I'm a conservative long term sort of guy so I'm fucked for now. Can I borrow a few grand to tide me over?

228 WindHorse  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:12:15pm

McCain would have been much better off to say (in a loud, determined voice) to the crowd that this election isn't about Obama, it's about a change in the US that the Republican Party will bring. A change that will shore up a slumping economy. A future that will ensure continued fighting against terrorists. A change that will rout out the crooks that have caused the crash on Wall Street... a future where America will continue helping those in need, and a future where America will once again be looked towards for leadership in the world.

If he knew what the fuck he was doing, the crowd would have been raoring about half way through that.

229 Age Of Freedom  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:12:27pm

re: #223 Basho

Meh... his honesty, integrity, and kindness are reasons I'm voting for him.

He doesn't want to lose this election. This is his dream. And this year will be his very last chance to try to accomplish said dream in his lifetime. He just has a limit as to how low he will stoop to do it. We need more Americans like him.

Agreed.

230 noshariaincanada  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:13:00pm

re: #225 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

trying to keep it simple here: sparkling water & overproof vodka.

231 Celtic Templar  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:13:02pm

re: #223 Basho

Meh... his honesty, integrity, and kindness are reasons I'm voting for him.

He doesn't want to lose this election. This is his dream. And this year will be his very last chance to try to accomplish said dream in his lifetime. He just has a limit as to how low he will stoop to do it. We need more Americans like him.

Right on ... we don't need to be like our opponent.

232 WindHorse  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:13:14pm

re: #228 WindHorse

(He could have turned that crowd around and had them cheering.)

233 Carolyn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:13:21pm

BHO is not someone we can respect.
His past associations are awful.
Do not pee on my leg and tell me it is raining.

234 KingKenrod  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:13:22pm

It won't work, but maybe he's trying to insulate himself against charges of racism from a soon to be unleashed attack on Obama about his friendship with Rev. Wright?

235 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:13:31pm
236 eon  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:13:33pm

re: #207 Racer X

Thats it man. Game over man! Game over!

That's what I want to hear Obama's campaign poobahs telling him on his frickin' Magic Carpet back to Chicago on the night of 3 November.

/Just like Jimmy Carter got on his way to Plains, GA, the night before Election Day in 1980.

I'm voting for McCain & Palin just because of the number of people I know it will piss off. Who's with me?

cheers

eon

237 Scion9  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:13:38pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout

The issue being that the Dems still have millions of overtly racist, uneducated, openly offensive supporters that come out to rallies in droves and it isn't hurting their 'brand' at all, as it goes completey unreported and will never get covered.

McCain might have his share of wackos, which can't be stopped when he has the support of tens of millions of Americans. The difference being is that McCain is being forced to deflect his wacko supporters and getting nailed to the wall for people at rallies while Obama will not get touched for associating with rabidly anti-semitic, terrorist supporters, sitting in the pews of a Church whose theology says that God hates whites and will see them destroyed and subjugated under Black rule, and expressing similar racist views by his own penhand in two memoirs.

McCain looks bad for getting the support of a racist hick as if it should reflect him personally, but Obama is fresh as a daisy for garnering the support of every America hating dictator, terrorist organization and the collective of the 'Hate America' voting bloc here at home that all want to see us destitute or dead? That McCain is being damaged by a few nuts at a rally or that rednecks vote GOP is purely a matter of the GOP being held to a ridiculously higher standard than the Dems.

238 ArmyWife  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:13:39pm

re: #109 TheMatrix31

I personally would have loved a Thompson/Palin ticket. WHY DIDN'T FRED SHOW UP DURING THE PRIMARIES?

John McCain was not my candidate of choice, but he is who I have. When I get down in the dumps about the state of his campaign, I think about 2012 and this ticket - Palin/Steele. Let's just get her in with John now, and start planning for the future....

239 fed-up  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:13:48pm

So much for this election. I keep keep hoping, but if he is not going to go all out....

240 spidly  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:13:53pm

dumbass

241 nyc redneck  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:13:54pm

i'm not giving up on mccain.
that isn't an option.

242 NY Nana  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:14:15pm

Panel: Palin Abused Her Power in Firing of Commissioner

ANCHORAGE, Alaska -- A state legislative panel has concluded that Sarah Palin abused her power in the firing of the state's public safety commissioner.

The investigative report concludes that a family grudge wasn't the sole reason for firing Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan but says it likely was a contributing factor.

The findings were released after lawmakers emerged Friday from a private session in Anchorage where they spent more than six hours discussing a politically charged ethics report into the firing by Gov. Palin.

The legislative panel began its public session by discussing whether to release the report's findings. The investigation was examining whether Palin, the Republican vice presidential nominee, fired a state commissioner to settle a family dispute. The report also is expected to touch on whether Palin's husband meddled in state affairs and whether her administration inappropriately accessed employee medical records.

Critics claim Palin fired Monegan after months of pressure on him to fire Mike Wooten, a state trooper involved in a nasty divorce and custody dispute with the governor's sister.

"I think there are some problems in this report," Republican state Sen. Gary Stevens. "I would encourage people to be very cautious, to look at this with a jaundiced eye."

243 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:14:15pm

re: #221 JustMyView

You might be interested in this David Brooks editorial, which talks about what has happened to "idea people" in the Republican party.

JMV- Using pseudo-conserative David Brooks as a source? ROFLMAO! That's the best you can do? What, Maureen Dudd, I mean Dowd, wasn't available? Gimme a break!

244 Celtic Templar  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:14:16pm

re: #233 Carolyn

BHO is not someone we can respect.
His past associations are awful.
Do not pee on my leg and tell me it is raining.

So we should be afraid of all Arabs? Come on - McCain is right.

245 StPatrick  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:14:34pm

re: #209 godfrey

Don't forget former presidential candidate and "Friend of Angelo" Sen. Christopher Dodd. I believe Ace linked him as a "corrupt POS" or something similar today. I second.

246 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:14:38pm

re: #103 godfrey

...

God. Damn. It.

I hear ya. I don't think I could get any more cynical at this point. There is deception going on here like we've never seen (and we all, ah, Know Too Much, about how it all happened.)

Everything the moonbats fear from the Right, they themselves are doing, and would do more of, if they had more power.

---
I don't think anything will work regarding negative news about Obama, and here's why: For the past 8 years, Americans have been submerged in Utterly Insane Scandal Conspiracies, and the Mis- and Dis- information that comes with all that, from 9/11 theories, to the Wilson/Plame thing, to You Frikkin Name it. What could we POSSIBLY tell the nation about Obama that would to "Intentionally Brought Down the WTC, Killing 3,000 People, Starting an Illegal Blood-For-Oil War And Terrorizing Innocent Civilians for Imperialistic Halliburton Patriachal Hegemony." What could top that? "Gave $800,000 taxpayer money to ACORN"? So what? Was conceived by, weaned by, suckled by, raised by, taught by, inspired by, and elevated to the senate by Long-Planning Communists"? So what? America is tired of Michael Moore and conspiracy theories; the left has been like the WOLF who cried "Wolf" for the last 8 years, now most of America has no more tolerance for any of it EVEN IF IT'S THE GODDAMN TRUTH. And those are just those who could be swayed by facts if they COULD absorb any more twisted political tales. Never mind the Moonbats. I mean really, they could see, live and in person, Obama talking to Saddam and Bin Laden, laughing as they feed live women to dogs for the entertainment of the Cabinet (as Saddam was sometimes wont to do), and they would say, "Yeah, but did he Intentionally Bring Down the WTC, Killing 3,000 People, Start an Illegal Blood-For-Oil War And Terrorize Innocent Civilians for Imperialistic Halliburton Patriachal Hegemony? Alright, then, STFU, noob, Pwned!"

Regardless, America has been programmed, sadly. The best campaign we could run, we people who like our news somewhat Truthier. We could begin a years-long campaign to get people to Turn Off The Goddamn TV For Ever. There might be hope for the US, if the majority of us said "F**k TV." TV-watching should be treated by general society the way we treat Crack-Smoking, Huffing Spraypaint, and Barnyard Sex. And TV-Watching might be a bit underneath Barnyard Sex, since at least that doesn't actively destroy the mind. //

-Taq

247 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:14:40pm

Folks, the Obama squad is now winning by getting us off our game! Sow a little discord into a McCain rally and get Mac to say something that is a little bit favorable to Obama, since Obama's getting hammered on ACORN and AYERS right now.

And many of us are falling right into the trap.

They know that conservatives will beat up their own if their own doesn't say exactly what they want him to say! That is painfully obvious by the various posts here. If John McCain doesn't go out and proclaim Barack Obama as the ULTIMATE ANTICHRIST DEMON CANDIDATE MOST AWFUL MAN EVER, then he fails in many of our estimations.

Ayers and ACORN have obviously hit a nerve, and that's why the libs are out swinging! It is evident in how they released the Troopergate thing today, in concert with what is obviously a plant at the McCain rally today.

Get a grip, people! There will be ups and downs in campaigns, and this is just one dip!

FIGHT! Keep fighting and let's see what happens in the days to come.

Obama and his minions will not go down without a fight.

We have to take them out, and do it while McCain wages an honorable campaign. Because you can bet your ass Obama won't be honorable.

248 HelloDare  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:14:46pm

re: #203 Charles

I am sensing anger.

This happens all the time with spinoff links. People don't like the content of the link so they ding down a story instead of using the comments to express their opinion. So a really interesting story never makes it to Top Links Overall.

Does this bug other people?

249 FrogMarch  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:14:51pm

re: #221 JustMyView

You might be interested in this David Brooks editorial, which talks about what has happened to "idea people" in the Republican party.

David Brooks? YUCK.

250 JacksonTn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:15:13pm

re: #218 tasteslikechicken

Sadly, but predictably, McCain reveals himself as a senile idiot. How the hell did this loser get nominated? Any conservative who voted for this pile of dung in the primaries should be taken out and shot. The Dems nominate a Marxist and "our" nominee can't bother to point that inconvenient fact out.

President Obama. With a fillabuster-proof majority. God help us.

The end of America.

Why are there so many on this thread with not many posts? You are a f*cking idiot ....... you were probably voting for Obama anyway .......hope you have room in your house ....... because MEchelle is coming to move in a few of her friends ..... she says you have way too much room ....... the scene in Doctor Zhivago where that happens always reminds me of MEchelle. I will not accept defeat ever ......... you may bend over to socialism ....... I will not.

251 Theologian  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:15:14pm

Wow...way to endorse Obama, Senator McCain....it increasingly seems as though he has thrown in the towel.

Can we put Palin on top of the ticket? At the least, I've always believed Fred Thompson should have been the candidate.

I'm terrified of an Obama presidency....an Obama presidency is the death of capitalism and freedom and the rise of socialism and statism.

252 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:15:14pm

re: #230 noshariaincanada

trying to keep it simple here: sparkling water & overproof vodka.

I just said it was open, it's serve yourself! : )

253 Hard Right  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:15:25pm

re: #224 looking closely

Well, a straight Hi-Power is supposed to have a mag safety, and I think the dad ejected the mag at the beginning of the video (though obviously forgetting about the round in the chamber).

Also, unless he was carrying it cocked and UNLOCKED, either he or the kid had to disengage the safety before this incident.

If he disconnected the mag safety it would allow the gun to go off even without the magazine.

254 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:15:32pm

re: #180 Charles

Wow, a -6 rating on this post. That's OK, I'm not taking it personally.

I think you were supposed to sweep it under the rug and try to hide it, even though McCain said it in full view of the cameras.

/nevermind that it's already aired on every MSM media outlet including FNC

255 freedomplow  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:15:40pm

This is a dem created controversy because of the passion of the base.

They are trying to blunt that passion.

He has every right to tell the crowd this after some old lady said she is heard Obama was a Muslim.

Looks like this video was edited to have McCain make these comments before this lady said Obama was an Arab.

256 onepistoffyid  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:16:06pm

re: #17 Charles

I don't think he's losing his nerve as much he's way, WAY, WAAAY too concerned with looking fair.

This is why nice guys always finish last. I think McCain would rather be a good sport than president. He just doesn't want it that bad.

257 stuiec  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:16:11pm

re: #183 joecitizen

this is an evil effin bridge to straddle..it breaks my heart that we need the votes of people I'd smack around in a bar for spewing this racist stupid shit just to win this election..fucking stupid uneducated ill raised losers are the difference this rime..and what's worse,coddling these dimwits or dealing with socialist fucking barry?

You're taking it too much to heart. You think the Left is devoid of "fucking stupid uneducated ill raised losers"? I know from personal experience that even Leftist who are educated, bright and well-raised are susceptible to acting like fucking losers when it comes to Bush Derangement Syndrome and visceral hatred of all things Republican -- even to the degree of falling for 9/11 Trooferism.

The Black guy who stood up at McCain's rally and BEGGED him to take on Obama wasn't a racist redneck, and most of the people you're painting as such aren't either. But they sure don't want Obama elected. They didn't boo McCain for cutting off the woman who called Obama an Arab -- they booed because McCain gave the impression he wasn't against every thing Obama stands for politically.

258 MJBrutus  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:16:11pm

WTG Gentleman Johnny. I'll hold my nose until it bleeds and pull the god-damned lever for you, but that is all I'm about to do. You want to put your own Puritanical sense of propriety ahead of your country? Well screw you.

America is in for some dark days. We may never fully recover from the damage that has been and will be done. What we've seen these past few weeks will be looked on with fond nostalgia after Jan, when San Fran Nanny is running the place. And make no mistake about it, that is who you have turned this country over to.

And the damage does not end at our borders either. The entire free world, who has sat back on their collective fat, bureaucratic asses while we've fought the good fight against terror, naked aggression and imperialism will be rudely reminded just what a strong America meant to them.

But hey, you feel good about yourself, so what the hell, it was worth it.

259 jetprop  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:16:14pm

re: #226 Racer X

Exactly!

I think Mac is just trying to calm some people down. God knows the left will freaking explode when he wins.

Thing is, if Mac had said "I agree" or "0bama's scary" the left would have gone nuts with 'McCain's a fear monger' or 'McCain's a racist xenophobe' ~news at 11.

I do feel frustrated with his bipartisan crap, though.

260 FrogMarch  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:16:14pm

The only ideas to come out of the DEMOCRAT LEFT:

More government control over our lives.
That's it.
Nothing more.

261 rw in san diego  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:16:15pm

Get a clue, John McCain, if I thought an Obama presidency wouldn't be a disaster for my country, I wouldn't be voting for you.
Yikes! Does he want to win?

262 yah  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:16:51pm

re: #207 Racer X
Supposedly there is going to be a MASS showing of UFO's on Oct 14. Like thousands of them all over the world and they will show their power and take over the world.

After this election cycle, I kinda look forward to it.

263 Carolyn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:16:59pm

re: #244 Celtic Templar

Ayers, Wright, Farrakhan, Rezko, who the hell else?
I didn't say anything about Arabs.
But that is another story for another time.

264 patrickafir  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:16:59pm

re: #241 nyc redneck

i'm not giving up on mccain.
that isn't an option.

Yup. When you've got two flavors of crap and you have to eat one, you go with the most palatable.

265 golly_wog  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:17:09pm

There were a million ways he could have responded with the same defusing results, but he chose this! Arrrrrgghhhhh Gah. Lackluster is not going to outshine bluster.

NOBAMANOHOW

266 Racer X  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:17:36pm

Perhaps this was McCain's way of pointing out the obvious - Obama could very well be the next president? And don't fricking panic and cry like little girls? And perhaps get out and support John McCain?

Nah. Cry like little girls.

There there.

pats your head

267 welshgirl  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:17:36pm

Is there an easy way to copy remarks here at LGF? I have trouble c & pasting. Thought there is a reason. Can I get in on the secret?

268 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:18:40pm

re: #243 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

JMV- Using pseudo-conserative David Brooks as a source? ROFLMAO! That's the best you can do? What, Maureen Dudd, I mean Dowd, wasn't available? Gimme a break!

Next thing you know you'll be telling us John McCain is a Ronald Reagan conservative.

269 Mambo Bananapatch  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:18:57pm

John McCain is an honourable man, and he is, barring some substantial swing, going to lose to a dishonourable man.

Perhaps this is, in this case, as it should be. It seems that America occasionally needs to be reminded of the consequences of allowing herself to be hoodwinked, and led by, a dishonourable man.

270 Cartman  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:18:57pm

re: #241 nyc redneck

i'm not giving up on mccain.
that isn't an option.

Oh, I'm not either, but I sure wish he'd stop kickin' me in the nuts.

271 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:19:01pm

re: #267 welshgirl

Is there an easy way to copy remarks here at LGF? I have trouble c & pasting. Thought there is a reason. Can I get in on the secret?

/try using the "quote" function in every comment

272 libertexian  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:19:06pm

So the election is over. Just like that, McCain throws in the towel. Please unsubscribe me and remove any evidence I have ever participated at LGF. I think I see brown shirts gathering in the street now.

Over and out.

Bubye

273 calcajun  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:19:08pm

re: #221 JustMyView

You might be interested in this David Brooks editorial, which talks about what has happened to "idea people" in the Republican party.

I read it earlier. He and Chris Buckley are of one mind. I don't disagree, but I don't want to be shunted off into the political wilderness, either.

274 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:19:33pm

re: #221 JustMyView

You might be interested in this David Brooks editorial, which talks about what has happened to "idea people" in the Republican party.

David Brooks has become a tool of the left lately. I (and many conservatives) set no store by him and his writings.

275 uptight  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:19:49pm

A few vital points, folks:

1) Islamofascists (rightly) see socialists as a their useful idiots. The Bin Ladens of this world must have thought they'd won the lottery when they realised how destructively self-hating the left are. I bet they still can't believe their luck.

2) Socialists (wrongly) believe that their diplomatic skills will touch the humanity in even the most extremist Islamist.

3) America is the world's policeman. Whoever is president dictates how much shit the bad guys will try and get away with. A strong president will cause any extremist regime to strongly consider the consequences of any move they want to pull. McCain for all his faults is very strong on foreign policy.

5) Obama is a socialist. He may believe that his diplomatic skills can solve anything, but terrorists and extremist regimes see a useful idiot. If he is president, they will see him as a sleeping policeman. An opportunity to do all the crap they've always wanted WITHOUT the threat of American reprisals.

6) A town with no police force descends into anarchy, rioting, looting and bloodshed. A world with no global policeman will go the same way.

Conclusion: if Obama becomes president, it's a matter of how much lasting damage can be done to the future of western civilisation within the space of his 4 year term.

I am now becoming more convinved that McCain will be the next president.

276 Yankee Division Son  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:19:54pm

re: #222 Age Of Freedom

re: #223 Basho

I have every intention of going out and voting for him, I agree with Basho. that wasn't my point.

277 kansas  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:20:05pm

re: #261 rw in san diego

Get a clue, John McCain, if I thought an Obama presidency wouldn't be a disaster for my country, I wouldn't be voting for you.
Yikes! Does he want to win?

Does it LOOK like he wants to win?

278 JacksonTn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:20:28pm

re: #236 eon

That's what I want to hear Obama's campaign poobahs telling him on his frickin' Magic Carpet back to Chicago on the night of 3 November.

/Just like Jimmy Carter got on his way to Plains, GA, the night before Election Day in 1980.

I'm voting for McCain & Palin just because of the number of people I know it will piss off. Who's with me?

cheers

eon

I AM ........ and all the dems in my family.

279 Dalibama  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:20:29pm

This is too much for me. I'm not voting. It's not like my vote counts anyways. (MA) I can avoid standing in line in my moonbat town.

I've been toying with this idea for awhile but now I'm serious.

McCain cares more about himself and his likabilty factor than he does his country.

280 FloridaAnole  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:20:38pm

Well, I was originally for Rudy Giuliani, but he fizzled out here in Florida. So I'm willing to make do with what we've got. Apparently, the Refined Rinos who are advising McCain were appalled by the raucousness of the rallies, and wanted to put a damper on like it. As I wrote previously, these are probably the same guys who buried Sarah for a month because people like Christopher Buckley's good friend Kathleen Parker found Sarah dangerous and appalling, or whatever.

281 Racer X  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:20:57pm

re: #259 jetprop

I do feel frustrated with his bipartisan crap, though.

I hear ya.

I did not hear McCain "endorse Obama" like some here have suggested.

I am disappointed MORE in McCain's so called "supporters".

Way to have the man's back guys.

282 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:21:08pm

Well this tears it, McCain just lost my vote. I'm writing in Mickey Mouse now.
/s

Wow. :sigh:

One little out of context sound bite and some folks go ape-shit-head-long into despair. And folks say John needs to grow a pair? Oh, teh irony!

283 Bobibutu  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:21:19pm

Paging Cindy - Cindy McCain to the red phone please.

Uh - Mrs. McCain - would you kindly do what needs to be done to get your hubby on track ... your choice, you know him better than we do!

284 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:21:21pm

re: #214 HelloDare

It is a telescope tower, for finding out things about the Universe.

285 Mambo Bananapatch  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:21:54pm

re: #267 welshgirl

Is there an easy way to copy remarks here at LGF? I have trouble c & pasting. Thought there is a reason. Can I get in on the secret?

Click "quote" in the header of the comment you want to reply to, and voila.

286 uscmsne  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:21:55pm

On the subject of Palin: that's horseshit. It's a lose-lose. She fires that turd, she's guilty of impropriety for getting involved in her sisters divorce. Well, she's guilty of letting her husband get involved. If she doesn't fire him, then she's culpable in ensuring that her sister has a fat state-paid alimony check for the rest of the sisters life. And what bothers me the most is that people are defending the trooper who tasered his on son, was drinking in a squad car, made death threats to his wife and in-laws. In what universe is this that a POS like this isn't fired on the spot? The biggest crime, in my opinion, is that only her cabinet guy Monagen (-2 sp.) has been fired.

287 FrogMarch  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:22:00pm

Meanwhile - a black McCain supporter gets an e-mail in-box filled with this:

“Hello you racist dog. You are officially dismissed from the African American Race. How discusting to see you on the television with your white racist friends McCain and Palin. To them you're just another n*****. I hope you fry in hell for what you said about a decent person like Obama.”

“Go Obama-Biden08”

288 stuiec  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:22:02pm

re: #275 uptight

The question hangs on a knife edge: will the voters decide things are so bad that they vote in the Democrat just for the sake of change, or will they decide things are so bad that they vote in the Republican because the Democrat is too risky, being unknown and inexperienced?

289 joecitizen  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:22:11pm

re: #257 stuiec

You're taking it too much to heart. You think the Left is devoid of "fucking stupid uneducated ill raised losers"? I know from personal experience that even Leftist who are educated, bright and well-raised are susceptible to acting like fucking losers when it comes to Bush Derangement Syndrome and visceral hatred of all things Republican -- even to the degree of falling for 9/11 Trooferism.

The Black guy who stood up at McCain's rally and BEGGED him to take on Obama wasn't a racist redneck, and most of the people you're painting as such aren't either. But they sure don't want Obama elected. They didn't boo McCain for cutting off the woman who called Obama an Arab -- they booed because McCain gave the impression he wasn't against every thing Obama stands for politically.

left OR right, a moronic asshole is STILL a moronic asshole..

290 Tigger2005  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:22:26pm

John, he is NOT a decent man! He's a dangerous man! We have every right to be scared of him! We want you to HAMMER him, John! We want you to hammer on his associates and his involvement in creating the financial crisis! PLEASE!

Fuck it. I am voting for this guy regardless ... I went out door to door for him today. But I'm voting more for Palin and against Obama than I'm voting for John McCain.

291 stuiec  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:22:32pm

re: #277 kansas

Does it LOOK like he wants to win?

Fuck him -- MAKE him win anyway and force him to DEAL with it.

292 Sheepdogess  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:22:50pm

"Three Words"

While America slept.......

293 godfrey  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:23:04pm

re: #246 Taqiyyotomist

I mean really, they could see, live and in person, Obama talking to Saddam and Bin Laden, laughing as they feed live women to dogs for the entertainment of the Cabinet (as Saddam was sometimes wont to do), and they would say, "Yeah, but did he Intentionally Bring Down the WTC, Killing 3,000 People, Start an Illegal Blood-For-Oil War And Terrorize Innocent Civilians for Imperialistic Halliburton Patriachal Hegemony? Alright, then, STFU, noob, Pwned!"

lol

...

Yeah. Yep.

294 Biff  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:23:14pm

I blame the GOP rank and file who voted for McCain over Romney and Guiliani. Either one of those guys would have trashed Barry O.

Mitt was a sensational candidate, and would have been the perfect GOP leader in these uncertain times, but he was rejected, primarily because he is a Morman. What a crock of shi__. I think a lot of Repubs believed that Joh would somehow transform himself into a candidate who could stand up to the Dems. It is unbelievable to me that he could trash talk Romney in the GOP primaries, and now finds it impossible to do so with Obama. At this point he just comes across as feeble.

Step aside now John, and give America a chance to elect a real woman and a real Republican.

295 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:23:16pm

re: #237 Scion9

Sure, there's a double standard. Life is unfair. McCain is a weak candidate and his supporters are crazy. The press loves Obama. That's the reality we're handed. I blame McCain for his weakness and his supporters for their stupidity. I blame the press for being uncritical of Obama. Kepp blame where it belongs. Our misfortune is our own.

296 kansas  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:23:34pm

So Fox has the Alaska Legislature with a 200 some page report on how Palin abused her power. Shit. How lopsided can this media bullshit get?

297 JacksonTn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:23:43pm

re: #267 welshgirl

Is there an easy way to copy remarks here at LGF? I have trouble c & pasting. Thought there is a reason. Can I get in on the secret?

Guess it depends on where you pasting them ....

/

298 Basho  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:24:08pm

re: #291 stuiec

Fuck him -- MAKE him win anyway and force him to DEAL with it.

Hah! I like that attitude.

McCain doesn't want to win? Too bad because he is going to anyway! YEAH!

299 Charles  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:24:11pm

I don't blame the readers who hit the minus button for this one. I would have, too.

300 Racer X  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:24:15pm

re: #282 Slumbering Behemoth

One little out of context sound bite and some folks go ape-shit-head-long into despair. And folks say John needs to grow a pair? Oh, teh irony!

Thank you!

I need a beer.

301 Hard Right  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:24:24pm

re: #279 Dalibama

This is too much for me. I'm not voting. It's not like my vote counts anyways. (MA) I can avoid standing in line in my moonbat town.

I've been toying with this idea for awhile but now I'm serious.

McCain cares more about himself and his likabilty factor than he does his country.

Then just go vote for Obama ya wuss. Jeez.

302 sparrowlake  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:24:28pm

McCain cannot win this election without the Hilary Dems. He has rightly or wrongly determined that he cannot win them over with a no-holds barred atack on Obama. He has been advised that his base may fray but will not break over this approach.
So fray away, folks, but you will not break.

303 Wishing  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:24:32pm

Hillary Hoards will help...about 7 million of em pulling the lever for McCain

304 MJBrutus  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:24:53pm

re: #286 uscmsne

On the subject of Palin: that's horseshit. It's a lose-lose. She fires that turd, she's guilty of impropriety for getting involved in her sisters divorce. Well, she's guilty of letting her husband get involved. If she doesn't fire him, then she's culpable in ensuring that her sister has a fat state-paid alimony check for the rest of the sisters life. And what bothers me the most is that people are defending the trooper who tasered his on son, was drinking in a squad car, made death threats to his wife and in-laws. In what universe is this that a POS like this isn't fired on the spot? The biggest crime, in my opinion, is that only her cabinet guy Monagen (-2 sp.) has been fired.

He wasn't fired because he belongs to a strong labor union. Get used to it, unions are going to explode after the card check law is passed.

305 jetprop  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:25:02pm

re: #281 Racer X

I hear ya.

I did not hear McCain "endorse Obama" like some here have suggested.

I am disappointed MORE in McCain's so called "supporters".

Way to have the man's back guys.

Good point.
It's going to get ugly over the next few weeks. I think the left is going to get even more shrill. Try even harder to demoralize us. We've got to hang tough and keep a steady hand on the helm.

306 jamie  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:25:41pm

re: #67 eon

Anybody want to bet that the (Democratic-controlled) Alaska legislature's next move will be an attempted impeachment?

Both houses of Alaska's legislature are controlled by Republicans.

307 Thanos  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:25:42pm

*Sniff*


308 StPatrick  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:25:49pm

re: #258 MJBrutus

I am a fan of JMac's "puritanical sense of propriety". However, he seems to have lost his urge to fight. There is nothing improper about explaining to the people why you, as opposed to the terrorist-befriending, socialist-sympathizing, race-baiting, Daley Machine naif, should be their president. Senator McCain has allowed his opposition to define honor and decency in this election, and has allowed them to blunt, if not completely suppress, his (and our) strongest objections in the process. Country first, indeed. The country needs the guy who told his captors to piss off back.

309 stuiec  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:25:55pm

re: #289 joecitizen

left OR right, a moronic asshole is STILL a moronic asshole..

Agreed. But don't let the moronic assholes on either side bring you down. There are far more good guys on our side than on theirs -- I am firmly convinced of that.

310 kansas  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:26:38pm

re: #305 jetprop

Good point.
It's going to get ugly over the next few weeks. I think the left is going to get even more shrill. Try even harder to demoralize us. We've got to hang tough and keep a steady hand on the helm.

Just think how ugly it will get if Obama loses.

311 JacksonTn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:26:46pm

re: #279 Dalibama

This is too much for me. I'm not voting. It's not like my vote counts anyways. (MA) I can avoid standing in line in my moonbat town.

I've been toying with this idea for awhile but now I'm serious.

McCain cares more about himself and his likabilty factor than he does his country.

Dinged you down ......... and your avatar sucks......

312 The Shadow Do  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:26:51pm

re: #176 FinallyHere

I never planned to vote for McCain, but I will vote against Obama.
I do not want to share the blame for disaster that Obama will bring on the USA, Israel, and whatever is left from the West.

And there you have it. Neither candidate is acceptable. Voters are voting in self defense, on both sides.

However it goes, the next four years will be even more contentious than the last eight. I think the dichotomy between the America is evil/Americas is good of our politics is irreconcilable. To McCain's credit he felt, and still feels, that he can pull us together but this is probably delusional. I caught a few minutes of Praeger in my travels today. He said the country has not been so divided since the 1850's when the issue was slavery. I think that's right.

313 Outrider  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:27:00pm

re: #272 libertexian

So the election is over. Just like that, McCain throws in the towel. Please unsubscribe me and remove any evidence I have ever participated at LGF. I think I see brown shirts gathering in the street now.

Over and out.

Bubye

Sheesh. Good bye and don't slam the door on your way out.

314 Salem  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:27:08pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

Dude, check out the clip in context....
McCain booed after telling crowd to be respectful to Obama
Check out the lady in red just before the money quote from McCain, "I can't trust him. I've read about him. He's an arab."
I'm among the first to critisize McCain here but he's scolding his audience for being uninformed and stupid. They put him in a tough spot. McCain supporters are doing a lot of damage. It wasn't that long ago that was a left wing phenomenon. The right has it now too. We have serious problems.

Well gee, he could have just said he's not an arab and left it at that. If you chose to believe it wasn't a bungle to say what he did, that's up to you. he should be saying an Obama presidency would be an unmitigated disaster, because that's almost certainly true.

315 Strike Hornet  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:27:16pm

re: #172 StPatrick

What kind of strange reality is this? Only 50 years ago, Barry O (ignoring race for the purpose of the example) would have been laughed off the stage while running for any office, within any party. We used to respect military service and hold those without accomplishments in low regard. We are truly in Bizarro world.

40 years of America hating, hippie, marxist, socialist college professors brainwashing young minds takes it toll...see: UK for a glimpse of the future Amerika under Obama, Pelosi, Reid

316 Age Of Freedom  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:27:31pm

re: #180 Charles

Wow, a -6 rating on this post. That's OK, I'm not taking it personally.

This thread should be deleted, if not updated with the source video to show the whole picture that shows McCain infinite integrity.

Right now, you should take it personally. This thread as of now *IS* totally enabling the left wing's distortions and misquotations of his answers. You managed to actually turn people away from John McCain, without them even bothering to attempt to realize what really happened.

I'm just shocked how people fall in line to bash McCain. Let's just all find every left wing smear on John McCain, be upset with him, and vote for 0bama. And converge with the Kos.

317 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:27:34pm

re: #272 libertexian

So the election is over. Just like that, McCain throws in the towel. Please unsubscribe me and remove any evidence I have ever participated at LGF. I think I see brown shirts gathering in the street now.

Over and out.

Bubye

I never say anything like this, but I think I will this time: You are a pussy.

And good riddance.

/spit

318 tripletdad  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:27:40pm

Wish the (R) ticket was the other way around...maybe in 4 years.

319 StPatrick  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:28:07pm

re: #308 StPatrick

in 1968. PIMF.

320 Biff  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:28:09pm

re: #288 stuiec

re: #275 uptight
The question hangs on a knife edge: will the voters decide things are so bad that they vote in the Democrat just for the sake of change, or will they decide things are so bad that they vote in the Republican because the Democrat is too risky, being unknown and inexperienced?

That is the right question. Unfortunately, it didn't ahve to come to this. The GOP could have offered up far superior candidates. McCainis just too much like the Democrats. We knew it all along. He should have never entered the race. He is now just an enabler to the lying terror/symp Obama.

321 Colonel Panik  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:28:24pm

re: #208 Killgore Trout

I don't know what to think about the "Kill him" claims. Last I heard the reporter wasn't returning calls from the Secret Service. Who knows what happened. But I think part of the reason we have this McCain quote tonight is because his audience is getting out of control. This might be part of a growing trend.

I think the "kill him" epithet was directed at Bill Ayers. It happened right after Ayers' name was mentioned. Assuming the person was genuine and not an astroturfer.

322 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:28:36pm

re: #299 Charles

I gave you a plus for courage. At Dkos they would have deleted diaries and banned people for deviating from prescribed talking points.

323 TheMatrix31  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:28:49pm

You guys have ignored my theory that I posted a little higher in the thread --
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#212 -

"WAIT......could it be taken that McCain was saying "You don't have to be scared of Obama as President" as in because it won't happen and "There's no fucking way I'm letting him become President"?"
---------

324 Abu Al-Poopypants  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:28:52pm

re: #203 Charles

I am sensing anger.

Thank you, Counselor Troi.

325 Hard Right  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:28:53pm

Folks, there is a concerted effort to suppress Conservatives votes. Know how? By convincing us the election is over, obama has won and our vote won't matter. Don't let the moby's win.

326 Jaydee  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:29:01pm

Now is not the time to go soft on Obama fhs.
McCain is proving to be a complete jerk.

327 StPatrick  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:29:06pm

re: #315 Strike Hornet

40 years of America hating, hippie, marxist, socialist college professors brainwashing young minds takes it toll...see: UK for a glimpse of the future Amerika under Obama, Pelosi, Reid

If you haven't read "While Europe Slept", do so yesterday.

328 Outrider  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:29:17pm

re: #281 Racer X

I hear ya.

I did not hear McCain "endorse Obama" like some here have suggested.

I am disappointed MORE in McCain's so called "supporters".

Way to have the man's back guys.

Exactly! Warm weather supporters.

329 Thanos  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:29:30pm

re: #306 jamie

Both houses of Alaska's legislature are controlled by Republicans.

But many are Ted Stevens Republicans. The long Knives are out for Sarah for taking them down, in her own party, in her own state. This is payback for the ethics probes against Stevens and Young.

330 eon  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:30:12pm

re: #253 Hard Right

If he disconnected the mag safety it would allow the gun to go off even without the magazine.

Taking the magazine safety out of a P-35 takes a pin drift, a small hammer, and about five minutes if you know what you're doing.

The military reason for the magazine-out safety is, of course, range safety. I've always found it interesting that the French Army (M1935A 7.65 Long), Belgians, and British (both P-35 9mm) felt the need for the device, while the Scandinavian armies (Sweden & Finland- Lahti, Norway- Colt 1911, Denmark- Bergmann) and Poland (VIS 35) felt no need of such an extra complication. And let's not even talk about the Wehrmacht, who felt that if you managed to accidentally shoot yourself with your own sidearm, you had only yourself to blame.

In law-enforcement or self-defense use, the magazine safety should not be disabled if present on a weapon as manufactured. First of all, for legal liability reasons, but more importantly, I learned a long time ago that there is a real, sound tactical reason for the magazine-out safety. Namely, that if you are in a struggle with a goblin who is trying to take your weapon from you (and a lot of them learn how from other goblins in stir), as a last resort if you are losing control of it, you can dump the magazine and he can't cap you with your own sidearm.

At which point you take out your backup, and continue the mission, one way or the other.

cheers

eon

331 Darth_K  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:30:31pm

It's about time, those rallies were getting really rowdy with people yelling "Kill him!" and "terrorist!" I mean come on, it's about time he said something. Can you imagine if at Obama rallies you heard people yelling that stuff about McCain? I was shocked he didn't counter that earlier stuff.

332 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:30:58pm

Charles, you almost need a (+) and (-) button, like you have, but also a "Makes me Happy" button and "Makes me Angry" button. That way folks could upding the post, glad you posted it...

Then again most political posts lately would have a (+) and a big frowny face I think. "TY for posting that...although now I want to spit nails."

333 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:31:07pm

re: #316 Age Of Freedom

I'm one of McCain's fiercest critics here yet I'm defending him (somewhat) on this thread. LGF isn't a shill for the GOP, it never has been.

334 tasteslikechicken  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:31:28pm

re: #250 JacksonTn

You are a f*cking idiot ....... you were probably voting for Obama anyway

I will not accept defeat ever ......... you may bend over to socialism ....... I will not.

such a cleaver, learned response. obviously, because mccain is a horrible, senile, rino candidate, I must be a marxist.

so exactly how are you going to resist when dear leader obama is president? with 60 senators to do his socialist bidding?

?

after obama, carter will seem a statesman.

335 Basho  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:31:35pm

re: #325 Hard Right

Folks, there is a concerted effort to suppress Conservatives votes. Know how? By convincing us the election is over, obama has won and our vote won't matter. Don't let the moby's win.

This is absolutely true. I remember after the Dem convention, Obama gained a couple of points at the polls. The next day I saw newspapers on the street with a FRONT PAGE story about how Obama is leading in the polls. Talk about inventing a story or creating a perception.

336 JustMyView  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:32:02pm

re: #243 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

JMV- Using pseudo-conserative David Brooks as a source? ROFLMAO! That's the best you can do? What, Maureen Dudd, I mean Dowd, wasn't available? Gimme a break!

Laugh if you want, but I thought the interesting part of that piece was the paragraph re which party is getting the political contributions of educated professionals.

The Republicans have alienated whole professions. Lawyers now donate to the Democratic Party over the Republican Party at 4-to-1 rates. With doctors, it’s 2-to-1. With tech executives, it’s 5-to-1. With investment bankers, it’s 2-to-1. It took talent for Republicans to lose the banking community.

It could be that all these well-educated, well-heeled professionals are wild-eyed socialists, but it seems a little unlikely.

337 MJBrutus  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:32:09pm

re: #308 StPatrick

Senator McCain has allowed his opposition to define honor and decency in this election

I would agree with you if this were not routine for him. Remember, this is the "clean government" crusader who sacrificed our free speech with McCain-Feingold. This is the "honorable" man who got all apologetic at his own warmup act because he called his opponent by his full name. This is the "honorable" man who turned on the GOP in NC by denouncing a perfectly truthful add about Barack Hussein Obama's (there, I said it) relationship with his own pastor (who he didn't even disown yet, but was in full excuse mode at the time).

McCain's opposition did none of those things. His wounds are all self-inflicted.

338 rw in san diego  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:32:11pm

re: #93 MandyManners

Sen. McCain, BHO SCARES THE SHIT OUTTA' ME. He's a freakin' commie who plans on fucking up this nation six ways from Sunday.

I wish you'd email that to McCain.

339 Quad Mocha Matti  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:32:26pm

Hello Lizards,

All I can say to Mr. McCain (if I had the opportunity to bend his ear) is something borrowed (most unfortunately) from the flighty O:

ENOUGH!

I can't bear to watch the ewetoob video as I'm already in a foul mood from personal matters. My head is about to either explode or implode. In either case, I better make sure it happens soon, and keep my frustrations in check. Of course, Ms. Andrea Mitchell of PMSLSDNBC believes that anything louder than a gnat's whisper expressed by a conservative is to be considered an act of violence, or so I have heard.

Is Mr. McCain incapable of acting upon the outright pleas of his reluctant, frustrated backers? Can it be attributed to some sort of Stockholm Syndrome? Fight, Man Fight!

340 StPatrick  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:32:37pm

re: #325 Hard Right


Only rethuglikkkans suppress votes, preventing the disenfranchised from having their voice heard in our elections. They cry and lament for aid and supplication! Praise the Great Leader for giving the poor, and even the dead, a voice! For lo, he hath teamed with ACORN and given those beyond the grave a stake, hath made them whole again, and, verily, he shall be anointed well for his courage.

341 jetprop  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:33:25pm

re: #323 TheMatrix31

You guys have ignored my theory that I posted a little higher in the thread --
----------
#212 -

"WAIT......could it be taken that McCain was saying "You don't have to be scared of Obama as President" as in because it won't happen and "There's no fucking way I'm letting him become President"?"
---------

Missed that earlier. Interesting analogy.

342 EE  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:33:26pm

Senator Joe Lieberman, the Dem candidate for Vice President 8 years ago, said that America's enemies will not fear a President Obama.
[Link: forums.tvland.com...]

That scares me enormously.

If we put into power the modern version of Neville Chamberlain, the combination of enemy audacity and presidential cowardice or just do-nothingness would be a very bad thing.

We do not need a president who talks a good talk while our cities are nuked either by ballistic missile from Iran, or by suitcase bombs that the Iranian mullahs gave to terrorists.

These are dangerous times, and not having the very best president is very, very scary.

343 MJBrutus  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:34:20pm

re: #323 TheMatrix31

That is because it has no merit. If you saw more of the event you would have seen McCain referring to the One as honorable (spit), etc. and that is why we needn't fear him in the WH.

344 JustMyView  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:34:57pm

re: #247 Intrepid

Ayers and ACORN have obviously hit a nerve, and that's why the libs are out swinging! It is evident in how they released the Troopergate thing today, in concert with what is obviously a plant at the McCain rally today.

The date for the release of that report was announced a long time ago. It had been scheduled to be released at the end of this month, but the date was moved up so that it'd be at least a little further away from the election. You can look it up.

345 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:35:01pm

re: #282 Slumbering Behemoth

One little out of context sound bite and some folks go ape-shit-head-long into despair.

It was a dumb thing to say, in deep blue Minnesota, when you're behind in all the battleground States with 25 days to go. What are the odds it'll end up in an Obama ad?

/it's more unneeded aggravation than despair, I'll vote for him in spite of himself

346 Cartman  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:35:24pm

re: #291 stuiec

Fuck him -- MAKE him win anyway and force him to DEAL with it.

As Rush likes to say, we've got to drag Yosemite Sam across the finish line.

347 Colonel Panik  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:35:27pm

I miss Duncan Hunter.

348 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:35:37pm

re: #300 Racer X

Thank you!

I need a beer.

If you can drink Icehouse (I'm cheap), than this one is on me.

BTW, you got comment #300...

LIZ-ARDS! WHAT IS YOUR PROFESSION!

Seriously, I am growing weary of some of the spineless whining I've read lately.

349 Strike Hornet  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:35:41pm

re: #304 MJBrutus

He wasn't fired because he belongs to a strong labor union. Get used to it, unions are going to explode after the card check law is passed.

I heard a quote from that POS Trooper where he said "I'm a State Trooper, there is nothing they can do to me..I can do whatever I want and they can't touch me"..
What a frightening commentary from a sworn law enforcement officer and protector of the public...anotherwords, I can abuse my power as a police officer and there is nothing anyone can do...
Stunning how this POS is still on active duty...
I think the bigger issue is why wasn't this clearly mentally unstable, out of control cop not fired?

350 Biff  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:35:47pm

re: #316 Age Of Freedom
Age, I didn't have to hear the context, I've watched both debates. McCain is wimping out, playing the Senatorial high road against one of the most dangerous people of our generation. The fate of the nation rests in McCain's hands.

Get in the game John. Be the great American Navy hero.

351 jonturner  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:35:50pm

re: #131 Abu Al-Poopypants

Maybe he's decided in the past couple of weeks that he doesn't want to be the President while we're trying to climb out of the Barney Frank economy.

Perhaps, but it's not his decision to make. It's up to the voters at this point.

352 kansas  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:35:55pm

----------
#212 -

"WAIT......could it be taken that McCain was saying "You don't have to be scared of Obama as President" as in because it won't happen and "There's no fucking way I'm letting him become President"?"

Yeah, he could've meant it that way. Or not. More likely not. More likely he meant in a "bipartisan" fashion because he is worried after whacking Chris Dodd being back in the Senate is not gonna be as much fun.

353 Hard Right  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:35:56pm

re: #330 eon

Taking the magazine safety out of a P-35 takes a pin drift, a small hammer, and about five minutes if you know what you're doing.

The military reason for the magazine-out safety is, of course, range safety. I've always found it interesting that the French Army (M1935A 7.65 Long), Belgians, and British (both P-35 9mm) felt the need for the device, while the Scandinavian armies (Sweden & Finland- Lahti, Norway- Colt 1911, Denmark- Bergmann) and Poland (VIS 35) felt no need of such an extra complication. And let's not even talk about the Wehrmacht, who felt that if you managed to accidentally shoot yourself with your own sidearm, you had only yourself to blame.

In law-enforcement or self-defense use, the magazine safety should not be disabled if present on a weapon as manufactured. First of all, for legal liability reasons, but more importantly, I learned a long time ago that there is a real, sound tactical reason for the magazine-out safety. Namely, that if you are in a struggle with a goblin who is trying to take your weapon from you (and a lot of them learn how from other goblins in stir), as a last resort if you are losing control of it, you can dump the magazine and he can't cap you with your own sidearm.

At which point you take out your backup, and continue the mission, one way or the other.

cheers

eon

Cylinder & Slide has a "wide" hammer that eliminates the mag safety. However some scumbag attorney or prosecuter may use the elimnation of a safety device against you. That's part of why my Brownings have their mag safeties. That and if someone manages to take it away from me...
I LOVE mine, but I'm blown away by how much they've gone up in price since they are no longer made by FM.

354 capitalisttool  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:36:26pm

head explodes.

355 Racer X  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:36:41pm

I would totally be OK if this entire thread was deleted.

I'm disgusted at some of the wimps who've crawled out of the woodwork.

356 FloridaAnole  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:36:44pm

re: #153 FinallyHere

On the second thought, could it be a plant that tried to provoke McCain?

After all these MSM screams that McCain's supporters are crazy, one can suspect anything.

I read yesterday that the only reporter who wrote about the "kill him" shout was Dana Milbank of the WAPO; no one else heard the shout, which allegedly took place next to the press stand. No other reporter, either print or electronic, picked up on it. Therefore, it's quite possible that it never happened at all, or Dear Dana misheard a shout.

357 Crux Australis  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:37:02pm

2012 can't come soon enough!

358 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:37:33pm

re: #279 Dalibama

This is too much for me. I'm not voting. It's not like my vote counts anyways. (MA) I can avoid standing in line in my moonbat town.

I've been toying with this idea for awhile but now I'm serious.

McCain cares more about himself and his likabilty factor than he does his country.

Yet again, another pussy. YOU care more for your own emotional balance than you do for your country.

If you can't man up and fight when fighting is called for, then go ahead and stay at home. The rest of us will fight for you. If we still lose in spite of it, we'll at least have our self respect and dignity for having done so.

You, on the other hand, will have a sense of cowardice.

/spit

359 JacksonTn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:37:41pm

re: #334 tasteslikechicken

such a cleaver, learned response. obviously, because mccain is a horrible, senile, rino candidate, I must be a marxist.

so exactly how are you going to resist when dear leader obama is president? with 60 senators to do his socialist bidding?

?

after obama, carter will seem a statesman.


F*ck you ......... I will die fighting before I give up my land to socialism .......we country folks can survive ........

360 Occasional Reader  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:37:44pm

Drive-by post (for the moment):

I really don't see the big deal. It's perfectly appropriate for McCain to say he wants to run a respectful campaign, and to push back when someone says "I'm afraid, he's an Arab". McCain is running on decency, integrity, and honor. If he permits this sort of innuendo to go unchallenged, he throws that away.

361 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:37:46pm

re: #294 Biff

Mitt was a sensational candidate, and would have been the perfect GOP leader in these uncertain times, but he was rejected, primarily because he is a Morman. What a crock of shi__.

/you can pretty much pin that on Huckabee

362 Hard Right  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:37:50pm

re: #335 Basho

This is absolutely true. I remember after the Dem convention, Obama gained a couple of points at the polls. The next day I saw newspapers on the street with a FRONT PAGE story about how Obama is leading in the polls. Talk about inventing a story or creating a perception.

I've seen them attacking Conservative sites trying to make us think it's over. They've pulled out all the stops folks. Power at any cost is their goal.

363 DistantThunder  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:37:55pm

re: #218 tasteslikechicken

Sadly, but predictably, McCain reveals himself as a senile idiot. How the hell did this loser get nominated? Any conservative who voted for this pile of dung in the primaries should be taken out and shot. The Dems nominate a Marxist and "our" nominee can't bother to point that inconvenient fact out.

President Obama. With a fillabuster-proof majority. God help us.

The end of America.

More people voted for Mitt or Huckabee

364 calcajun  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:38:48pm

re: #347 Colonel Panik

I miss Duncan Hunter.

At least he is till MY representative.

365 StPatrick  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:38:52pm

re: #342 EE

Senator Joe Lieberman, the Dem candidate for Vice President 8 years ago, said that America's enemies will not fear a President Obama.
[Link: forums.tvland.com...]

That scares me enormously.

If we put into power the modern version of Neville Chamberlain, the combination of enemy audacity and presidential cowardice or just do-nothingness would be a very bad thing.

We do not need a president who talks a good talk while our cities are nuked either by ballistic missile from Iran, or by suitcase bombs that the Iranian mullahs gave to terrorists.

These are dangerous times, and not having the very best president is very, very scary.

We don't need to worry about evil abroad - while they're an issue, after the election, they might just lay back and watch the fireworks. We have plenty of "upstanding" alleged Americans who will be happy to bring discord and stealth (along with not-so-stealthy) socialism here from the inside. Iran and their ilk can save their money - our neighbors and fellow citizens can do more to erode America from within than they ever could from without. Watch, wait, and provide the coup de grace when the time is right.

I need a beer, even I'm depressing myself.

366 Carolyn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:39:07pm

re: #341 jetprop

Missed that earlier. Interesting analogy.

That is not the way he meant it.
He went on to say we should respect BHO. That he is a good guy.
I will support McCain in every way I can, I am active locally.
I am venting among fellow conservatives. I just want my candidate to get up off the mat and box that sob some. Don't be picking him up off the mat and wiping his brow.

367 Racer X  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:39:25pm

re: #348 Slumbering Behemoth

If you can drink Icehouse (I'm cheap), than this one is on me.

BTW, you got comment #300...

LIZ-ARDS! WHAT IS YOUR PROFESSION!

Seriously, I am growing weary of some of the spineless whining I've read lately.

Some people here need to seriously watch that movie again - tonight!

368 DoubleU  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:39:50pm

re: #75 Charles

Is it too late for Sarah Palin and John McCain to switch places?

You mean because she is the one with the balls?

369 swamprat  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:39:51pm

re: #286 uscmsne

Only in America, could a person be vilified for trying to fire a person who was drinking while driving and who TASERED a freakin' child. The fact that anyone thinks that is is a valid complaint just shows how twisted we have become. Also you have to wonder what sort of person would even consider this a count against her. Frankly I think she deserves a medal. I hope Mothers Against Drunk Drivers is taking names. You have to admire the democrats absolute, unmitigated gall. If this is their best shot, they should have quit.

370 MJBrutus  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:40:23pm

re: #363 DistantThunder

More people voted for Mitt or Huckabee

Mitt was my man. But Mac had it sewn up before the NC primary, so I gave my op Chaos vote to Shrillery. I ran to the local clinic immediately afterwards for a tetanus shot and a delousing shower.

371 sparrowlake  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:40:31pm

McCain bashers are pro-Obamists.

372 Scion9  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:40:37pm

re: #295 Killgore Trout

Sure, there's a double standard. Life is unfair. McCain is a weak candidate and his supporters are crazy. The press loves Obama. That's the reality we're handed. I blame McCain for his weakness and his supporters for their stupidity. I blame the press for being uncritical of Obama. Kepp blame where it belongs. Our misfortune is our own.

You blame the press for being uncritical of Obama, and you blame McCain for his weakness and his supporters for being crazy and stupid. Apparently though you don't 'blame' Obama or his supporters for anything but that.

You are subscribing to the double standard that you have been fed, just like the rest of America and have been peddling to the rest of us. No thanks.

373 Quad Mocha Matti  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:40:44pm

re: #349 Strike Hornet

I heard a quote from that POS Trooper where he said "I'm a State Trooper, there is nothing they can do to me..I can do whatever I want and they can't touch me"..
What a frightening commentary from a sworn law enforcement officer and protector of the public...anotherwords, I can abuse my power as a police officer and there is nothing anyone can do...
Stunning how this POS is still on active duty...
I think the bigger issue is why wasn't this clearly mentally unstable, out of control cop not fired?

Sadly, there are more than a few isolated individuals that have this attitude, no matter what profession...and I'm not even alluding to government weasels.

374 Hard Right  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:40:51pm

re: #334 tasteslikechicken

such a cleaver, learned response. obviously, because mccain is a horrible, senile, rino candidate, I must be a marxist.

so exactly how are you going to resist when dear leader obama is president? with 60 senators to do his socialist bidding?

?

after obama, carter will seem a statesman.

Yeah, that's it, give up like some prison bitch. I have no use for defeatists. It's not over until the vote. In other words, go whine elsewhere.

375 Dalibama  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:41:16pm

re: #301 Hard Right

I've been a conservative republican before you were born. I've always put my money where my mouth is and this year was no exception.

Staying home isn't the same thing as voting for Obama when you live in MA. If McCain had any chance of winning I'd change my mind. The screenname and avatar are obvious satire.

Actually, if I could pick a new screenname, it would be: OBombAyers

376 Colonel Panik  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:41:31pm

re: #262 yah

Supposedly there is going to be a MASS showing of UFO's on Oct 14. Like thousands of them all over the world and they will show their power and take over the world.

After this election cycle, I kinda look forward to it.

That does it. This is war. If any of those g_d d_mned Zeta Reticulans show up on my proppity, they're going to get a 7.62mm round right in the zyxxlyxx. I had a colonoscopy last year. I don't need another rectal probing.

377 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:41:59pm

re: #63 DistantThunder

I thought he officially is 3/8's arab and 1/8th black + 1/2 white

re: #165 DistantThunder

She called him an Arab not a muslim and I think he is mostly white some arab and a tiny bit black. I think she was right.

There is no good source for that, and there is a good source against it.

I’m tired of the insinuations about Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) because his dead father was a Muslim. I’m tired of the insinuations about his middle name—Hussein—and the racist/bigoted insinuations that I’ve seen on the Right that flow from there. I’m even tired of the assertion that the senator isn’t even really a black American (whatever that means to a group of people who are demonstrably of mixed-race for the most part) because he has a white mother and a non-American black—i.e. African—father and, yes, since his father and my father were/are of the same tribe and nationality, I take that last bit of information quite personally.

RTWT

378 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:42:08pm

re: #300 Racer X

Thank you!

I need a beer.

Here, have one of mine (a cheap-o "Natural Ice" on ice)

379 JacksonTn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:42:21pm

re: #375 Dalibama

I've been a conservative republican before you were born. I've always put my money where my mouth is and this year was no exception.

Staying home isn't the same thing as voting for Obama when you live in MA. If McCain had any chance of winning I'd change my mind. The screenname and avatar are obvious satire.

Actually, if I could pick a new screenname, it would be: OBombAyers

Your avatar still sucks ........

380 Cartman  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:42:29pm

re: #336 JustMyView

The Republicans have alienated whole professions. Lawyers now donate to the Democratic Party over the Republican Party at 4-to-1 rates. With doctors, it’s 2-to-1. With tech executives, it’s 5-to-1. With investment bankers, it’s 2-to-1. It took talent for Republicans to lose the banking community.

I don't believe those stats for a second. I call bullshit.

381 Hard Right  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:42:58pm

re: #375 Dalibama

I've been a conservative republican before you were born. I've always put my money where my mouth is and this year was no exception.

Staying home isn't the same thing as voting for Obama when you live in MA. If McCain had any chance of winning I'd change my mind. The screenname and avatar are obvious satire.

Actually, if I could pick a new screenname, it would be: OBombAyers

The difference is I won't give up until I'm dead. Vote or STFU. I have no tolerance for those tht won't fight.

382 Occasional Reader  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:42:58pm

re: #376 Colonel Panik

I don't need another rectal probing.

Big cultural misunderstanding, Colonel. That's just how they shake hands.

383 PeaceAtAllCosts  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:43:16pm

McCain=Putz

384 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:43:34pm
385 Age Of Freedom  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:44:17pm

re: #333 Killgore Trout

I'm one of McCain's fiercest critics here yet I'm defending him (somewhat) on this thread. LGF isn't a shill for the GOP, it never has been.

I didn't refer to the GOP at all, dunno how you got there.

There's a fine line between criticizing and bashing, although you're not doing either. In fact, thanks to the video you linked, we can see what REALLY happened.

There's lots of scorn against him in this thread. No surprise, this thread is setting that tone by enabling a smear video that's misquoting John.

People then blindly line up to dump their vote, or call out how they're disappointed in John. Complete knee jerks. No one takes their time to watch the full video and realize otherwise.

I wish the minus I gave this thread could update it with the real video pointing out that it's all BS and McCain should rather be admired.

386 Colonel Panik  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:45:12pm

re: #382 Occasional Reader

Big cultural misunderstanding, Colonel. That's just how they shake hands.

LOL. Good thing I wasn't drinking.

387 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:46:22pm

re: #310 kansas

Just think how ugly it will get if Obama loses.

So you want Obama to win? Is that what you're saying? Because it will get ugly? There may be riots in the streets, true. But do you actually want Obama to win?

You've been gloomy for some time now, kansas. Do you want Obama to win? Is that what you're after?

Because I don't want that to happen. And I'm damned sure gonna fight to make sure it doesn't. You can bitch and moan and whine all you want, but I'm gonna fight! FIGHT to the very end.

Give up if you want, since you're obviously wanting to.

388 Elcid  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:46:32pm

As 'Dandy' Don Meredith use to sing on Monday Night Football..."Turn out the lights the party's over"

389 eon  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:46:45pm

re: #353 Hard Right

Cylinder & Slide has a "wide" hammer that eliminates the mag safety. However some scumbag attorney or prosecuter may use the elimnation of a safety device against you. That's part of why my Brownings have their mag safeties. That and if someone manages to take it away from me...
I LOVE mine, but I'm blown away by how much they've gone up in price since they are no longer made by FM.

Check out the FEG made PJK-9HP, from Hungary. It's the 1960s-era commercial FN, all steel, high-luster blue, original-length butt (which means it can use surplus military 13-round magazines, unlike the post-1992 FN made version with the longer 14-round versions), and sells for about $400 MSRP most places today. I bought mine seven years ago for $215, brand new at the local stocking dealer. It even feeds hollow-points right out of the box (mine likes Federal 124 grainers).

cheers

eon

390 BigJohn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:46:50pm

I think the election is still too close to call. The middle 10%er's are still undecided. We have the PUMA's and the Bradley Effectors. I'm not giving up.

391 Jamie  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:46:54pm

re: #329 Thanos

But many are Ted Stevens Republicans. The long Knives are out for Sarah for taking them down, in her own party, in her own state. This is payback for the ethics probes against Stevens and Young.

That may very well be, but the assertion that the legislature is Democratic-controlled is incorrect.

392 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:46:54pm
393 StPatrick  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:47:23pm

re: #377 wrenchwench

The original people making accusations about Obama not being "black enough" were likely neither republicans, current Obama supporters, or LGF readers. See Jesse's "cut his nuts off" quote. As for the rest of it, his genetic background should be irrelevant, especially compared with his ideology, his affinity for radicals, and his lack of *any* kind of track record to back up his ridiculous claims of bipartisanship, etc.

394 Biff  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:48:18pm

The election is certainly not over, but John needs to here the message from every quarter, and he should not be putting down his supporters who are trying to set him straight. He's the one who wants the town meetings, yet he is fighting with the folks who are begging with him to take Obama on, to call Obama out, to go to war.

John is having a real problem telling the difference between the Senate floor and the Presidential campaign trail. He seems much more competent arguing with Republicans than Democrats.

I will vote for McCain/Palin. Almost every Republican will, but this election is in the hands of the supermarket tabloid readers who either want a pretty face or blood in the water.

395 Basho  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:49:36pm

re: #394 Biff

The election is certainly not over, but John needs to here the message from every quarter, and he should not be putting down his supporters who are trying to set him straight.

That supporter was a crazy ol' bigot. I could deal if we can't count on that person's vote.

396 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:49:45pm

re: #345 Killian Bundy

It was a dumb thing to say, in deep blue Minnesota, when you're behind in all the battleground States with 25 days to go. What are the odds it'll end up in an Obama ad?

/it's more unneeded aggravation than despair, I'll vote for him in spite of himself

He needed to say something in response to "red dress", but he could have said something much better. Instead he gave TPM and other outlets a horrible (for him) sound bite.

Yeah, unneeded aggravation for some, but if you read some of the comments in this thread you can see there are others in full blown despair over an out of context sound bite.

397 Age Of Freedom  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:50:09pm

re: #350 Biff

Age, I didn't have to hear the context, I've watched both debates. McCain is wimping out, playing the Senatorial high road against one of the most dangerous people of our generation. The fate of the nation rests in McCain's hands.

Get in the game John. Be the great American Navy hero.

Are you aware of what's the scenario in the video?
He's talking to a supporting but incited crowd, and while I agree that 0bama is going to be plain turd for the US as president, McCain responsibly answered to the questions people posed on him.

This is the full video with the context of why he answered what he did, which shows how easy people fall for smears.
[Link: hotair.com...]

John may be too soft, and I hate to agree with that, but this has NOTHING to do with his answers here.

398 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:51:07pm

Wait, Charles - you got this from "Talking Points Memo"? That's a noted lefty site!

It's not Bill O'Reilly's site - it's an "anti-O'Reilly" and Anti-Conservative site.

Please tell me you didn't get this from TPM!

[Link: www.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

399 NY Nana  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:51:59pm

re: #248 HelloDare

'Shooting the messenger' drives me up the wall.

It is exactly as you said. Yes, there are spinoffs that indeed deserve a -, or more, if it were possible in some cases...

I did not ding this thread either way, as I had not decided what to do.

After reading this far? I am going to ding it up, as this thread may make a lot of us furious, but it is what it is about that is doing this, not because it is a bad thread.

Anyone who is neutral at this point, in what IMHO is the most important since we fought the War of Independence?*** WAKE UP!

I am just numb at this point. And now the verdict by the Alaskan Ethics whatever re Gov. Palin? I fear that this will be the straw that broke the camel's back, and will deflect the electorates' attention away from the real crime that is Obama....

***/I couldn't fight in that war..no women allowed, and Betsy Ross sewed better than I did.

400 Basho  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:52:43pm

re: #398 Intrepid

He said in the post that TPM is all over it. Meaning they are using this against McCain in support of Obama.

401 tasteslikechicken  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:53:42pm

re: #359 JacksonTn

F*ck you ......... I will die fighting before I give up my land to socialism .......we country folks can survive ........
[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Have fun with your bravado.

I didn't vote the turd into our candidate. As the lesser of evils, I hope he wins. But McCain is simply the slightly slower, more senile road to socialism.

I pray that we can see a Fred12 candidacy. Or Palin, or Jindal, or a real Federalist. I pray that the country can survive that long.

402 winston06  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:54:40pm

McLame, Indeed!

403 Biff  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:54:46pm

re: #360 Occasional Reader

Don't mean spit if you lose.

404 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:55:15pm

re: #334 tasteslikechicken

such a cleaver, learned response. obviously, because mccain is a horrible, senile, rino candidate, I must be a marxist.

so exactly how are you going to resist when dear leader obama is president? with 60 senators to do his socialist bidding?

?

after obama, carter will seem a statesman.

Excuse me - I know what "senile" is. And McCain is not senile. However, you are obviously stupid, in that you feel it is acceptable to support a candidate when he/she says exactly what you want, but when they go slightly off script, you can toss them over just like that.

Get.Over.Yourself. And support the only ticket that has any chance of defeating Obama/Biden!

That would be McCain/Palin.

405 yah  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:55:35pm

re: #382 Occasional Reader

I don't need another rectal probing.


Big cultural misunderstanding, Colonel. That's just how they shake hands.

They were passing out the KY jelly on an earlier thread. Should have grabbed some.

406 Scion9  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:55:48pm

re: #336 JustMyView

It could be that all these well-educated, well-heeled professionals are wild-eyed socialists, but it seems a little unlikely.

Or it could be that 9 times out of 10 people grow up with the political ideologies of their parents, and 9 times out of 10 if a parent is sending their kid to college to be an 'educated professional' they are Democrats, because they are the party of the rich and have been.

Republicans have never been the 'banker' party. Teddy Roosevelt was their biggest enemy, and Woodrow Wilson their biggest friend, and its continued that way practically unabated for a hundred years. The Dems have good PR, and have rewritten history. Bankers and big business don't want a free market, and they hate anti-Trust which is still a Republican platform strong suite.

The Dems want to Nationalize, which involves stifling competition, and granting virtual monopolies to their friends.

407 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:56:08pm

re: #393 StPatrick

When I looked into it months ago, the source of the speculation was one blog by a guy who's last name was Lamb, IIRC, and he said he knew which drawer in what office in Kenya the confirmation could be found in, and he had several "reasons" he couldn't say more or pursue it himself. I didn't feel like looking for that again, or giving his blog another hit.

And, as you say, it's irrelevant. Focus on the real stuff, and don't be a kook that McCain feels the need to apologize for.

408 JustMyView  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:57:17pm

re: #380 Cartman

I don't believe those stats for a second. I call bullshit.

If you doubt them, it's up to you to prove them wrong. Or perhaps you can write to Brooks and find out where he got the info. Should be available through the Federal Election Commission.

It makes no sense to dismiss data out of hand. You have to have some foundation for invalidating it. What would Brooks's interest be in presenting false info? He wants conservatives to succeed.

409 sandspur  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:57:51pm

re: #192 Colonel Panik

To bad that kid didn't aim that Browning a few inches lower, he'd have prevented Jihad Dad from bringing anymore little mujaheeds into the world.

You don't shoot a guy in the dick!
/cartman

410 Biff  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:58:12pm

re: #395 Basho

What was Obama doing in Pakistan the year before he transfered to Columbia. Why is the Muslim world supporting and funding (illegally) his candidacy.

Clue: Occam's Razor.

411 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:01:19pm

re: #344 JustMyView

The date for the release of that report was announced a long time ago. It had been scheduled to be released at the end of this month, but the date was moved up so that it'd be at least a little further away from the election. You can look it up.

Actually, the fact that it was "investigated" by the legislature goes against Alaska law, since any questions about how the governor or the executive staff falls under the "Personnel Board". Yet, somehow, the legislature decided to jump in on it!

Yes! And who is the president of the legislature? Lyla Green? The lady who hates Sarah Palin with a passion? And who is leading this "investigation"? Mr French, the lead DEMOCRAT, who supports Barack Obama?

Yes, this is surely a "fair" investigation, for sure. Especially when Mr French announced that there would be "an October Surprise" coming out, just after Sarah Palin was announced as McCain's running mate?

Not even worthy of a national response.

412 Canadian Beaver  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:01:26pm

re: #149 CJW

Screw it. I was going to vote for him just to offset my ignorant daughter's vote for Obama. Now I'm going back to my original plan-- I'm writing myself in for president. He doesn't deserve my vote.

Exactly the reaction the MSM was hoping for, and you've drunk their kool aid.

413 Carolyn  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:03:38pm
414 alegrias  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:03:54pm

Remember "nattering nabobs of negativity"? That was Nixon's Veep Spiro Agnew's phrase. I hate hearing so much whining in our foxhole when we should be out there putting on our game faces & encouraging other Americans to have faith in ourselves, not fear & pussillanimity. We have to have more courage in our convictions & make McCain/Palin seem the rational choice for good positive change & reform back to basics like good but limited, clean transparent government.

Today in history (1973) Mr. toughguy but corrupt Marylander Spiro Agnew stepped down from the office of VEEP on corruption charges.

That's how respectable Republicans act, they step down when caught red-handed, unlike Dems who stay on the job while corrupt.

Let's go out & play to win this election, not whine & bitch like impotent Euros.

415 jaxgtr  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:03:56pm

Just damn. 1 step forward, 12 steps back.

416 JustMyView  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:04:05pm

re: #406 Scion9

Or it could be that 9 times out of 10 people grow up with the political ideologies of their parents, and 9 times out of 10 if a parent is sending their kid to college to be an 'educated professional' they are Democrats, because they are the party of the rich and have been.

Republicans have never been the 'banker' party.

Perhaps you have the term "Rockefeller Republican"? How about "country club Republican"? Thirty years ago, the Republican party was the party of Wall Street, as well as small business people on Main Street.

417 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:04:20pm

re: #348 Slumbering Behemoth

If you can drink Icehouse (I'm cheap), than this one is on me.

BTW, you got comment #300...

LIZ-ARDS! WHAT IS YOUR PROFESSION!

Seriously, I am growing weary of some of the spineless whining I've read lately.

SPARTAN!

(actually, I'm my mom's care giver, but that gives me lots of umph to fight!)

418 FloridaAnole  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:04:50pm

re: #408 JustMyView

If you doubt them, it's up to you to prove them wrong. Or perhaps you can write to Brooks and find out where he got the info. Should be available through the Federal Election Commission.

It makes no sense to dismiss data out of hand. You have to have some foundation for invalidating it. What would Brooks's interest be in presenting false info? He wants conservatives to succeed.

No, David Brooks is a CINO (Conservative in Name Only) and has been for a few years. He is mainly concerned with pleasing his masters at the NY Times.

419 NY Nana  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:06:15pm

re: #411 Intrepid

/Don't confuse it with facts.

420 flynmudd  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:07:14pm

re: #310 kansas

Let them riot. F*ck them. I would prefer to clean up after a riot than after an Obama presidency. We will survive riots, always have. I don't want to find out about the later. I'm a woman and I swear I have more balls than some of the men in this forum. Would you fight for your family or just fall prostrate at their feet as they destroy your home and country? Geez people! My son is deployed right now and I promised him that the good guys would win this fight and he would still have his country when he got back! I don't plan on failing him.

421 sandspur  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:07:21pm

Senator McCain was not my 1st, 2nd or 3rd choice for candidate for POTUS.
But I will vote for the true American over Satan's Sidekick without a moment's hesitation.

422 kawfytawk  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:07:41pm

Sheesh I am so fed up with McCain.....gimme Sarah Palin any day but I AM FED UP! with this lame "door mat" McCain.....enough!

423 tasteslikechicken  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:09:48pm

re: #404 Intrepid

Excuse me - I know what "senile" is. And McCain is not senile. However, you are obviously stupid, in that you feel it is acceptable to support a candidate when he/she says exactly what you want, but when they go slightly off script, you can toss them over just like that.

Get.Over.Yourself. And support the only ticket that has any chance of defeating Obama/Biden!

That would be McCain/Palin.

Senile, dementia, stupidity, whatever. McCain is an inept, feckless candidate. I didn't vote for the loser, but now I must.

I hope the open borders, free-speech restraining dude wins. But he is merely socialist-lite. Barry is 80-proof socialism.

I see the end of my country due to these god damned rinos.

424 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:11:33pm

re: #383 PeaceAtAllCosts

"PeaceAtAllCosts = Slavery"

425 Quad Mocha Matti  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:17:35pm

I do hope that I have not conveyed in my few posts as a recent hatchling that I am turning turtle like some others seem to be doing so here - and giving up on the election. As we all know, there is far too much at stake, and this has been expressed many times by many of you.

Giving up by not voting is not an option for me. My family on my mother's side has been Republican since arrived in the U.S. from Finland in the late 1800's, which makes me a 4th Generation Republican. Even though I consider myself a Conservative associated with the Republican Party and may have misgivings about some of Mr. McCain's positions, there simply is no other choice - either get McCain/Palin in the White House, or spend the rest of my life as a person without a country. If the U.S. accepts Socialism, we will be entering a new Dark Age. Maybe you think that's hyperbole, but I'm having a hell of a time just going through life day to day with the uncertainty of what's in store. Can't get to sleep at night, and my muscles ache from the tension.

But, you can be sure I will be voting. Voting for McCain/Palin. Voting for Dino Rossi. Voting for those in my local government who best represent my views and will work to ensure that civil discourse prevails over a tyrannical opposition who make it their life's mission to engulf those dissenting with them with misery.

And although it's probable that "my side" may not win all the battles, especially here in Washington State, I can say that I was involved. I will pray and work to ensure that we who believe in what America was and is meant to be, which is a Constitutional Democratic Republic, will win this war.

426 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:17:51pm

re: #400 Basho

He said in the post that TPM is all over it. Meaning they are using this against McCain in support of Obama.

And just as lemmings, so many lizards are falling all over themselves to follow TPM off the ledge? And to support Obama?

To hell with that! I won't give up without a fight! No matter what threads are posted here!

427 jaydee  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:18:15pm

Fgs, are some not entitled to feel angry at McCain's words, without people jumping down their throats and accusing them of being in the bag for Obama.

So much for free speech.

Get over yourselves, hysterical twits.

428 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:19:13pm

re: #401 tasteslikechicken

Have fun with your bravado.

I didn't vote the turd into our candidate. As the lesser of evils, I hope he wins. But McCain is simply the slightly slower, more senile road to socialism.

I pray that we can see a Fred12 candidacy. Or Palin, or Jindal, or a real Federalist. I pray that the country can survive that long.

We will survive, but without your help, thank you. You stay in your world and dream of what could have been. The rest of us will work within the real world.

429 grahamski  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:21:01pm

Stick a fork in him, he is done....
Doesn't really matter, they are both puppets anyway...They do and say what they are told to do and say.
If the voters of this county would pull their heads out of their asses, turn off the idiot box, and wake up to the truth, maybe, just maybe we could could take our country back.....


I am not going to hold my breath on that one.
Good night, it's midnight in America.

430 abolitionist  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:21:54pm

re: #111 Charles

Muhammad Ali is the only person in history who has actually pulled off the "rope-a-dope."

Truly, in the ring, he earned the respect of many. But he had his FOI-bles. He helped popularize the ROP myth and the idea that all blacks should be exempted from military service. That was one of the demands of Black Muslims and various down-with-America radicals (like Ayers and Dohrn) over several decades of the last century.
Context of the pic: [Link: www.mosque7.org...]

431 gman  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:22:31pm

re: #104 Age Of Freedom

McCain didn't do jack. Sorry, I really don't see what's wrong in his answer to someone that's venting about being 'scared' of 0bama.

It's the fomented media that's anally misquoting him to "prove the worst".

Come on Charles, no matter what John will say it can and will be deliberately misquoted, even when he's replying in context - like in this case.

The media has so thoroughly created the framework through which we view McCain that I think we are all susceptible to being more critical of him than if the situation were different.

432 bensmom  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:24:28pm

I never -- NEVER -- use the F-word. Never. and I'm 51.

Today, though, I add my 2 bits: WTF.

433 alegrias  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:25:47pm

re: #427 jaydee

Fgs, are some not entitled to feel angry at McCain's words, without people jumping down their throats and accusing them of being in the bag for Obama.

So much for free speech.

Get over yourselves, hysterical twits.

* ** *
This is a thinking lizards' hangout--"feelings" are less important right now than staying rational, cool & collected. We are not Code Pinkies that act out "feelings" signifying nothing. What we say & do needs to win votes and influence others positively.

We need to think strategically how to overcome our "fears" and convert others to vote with us for good change we want. We must remain rational lizards, with fight, not flight, powering our thoughts.

434 Scrub  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:27:30pm

It may seem like John did a bad thing, but John is the one who's going to be leading, not the people who say they are scared of Obama. He could have let the mob lead but he stepped in and took charge instead. It might be a hard thing to follow for some of us, but leaders shouldn't be expected to provide the most comfortable direction that everyone is going to like. He has had to have given some thought to how somebody could say something in front of him on camera. It could be just another thing for the opposition to pin on him and blow out of proportion. Worse if a plant were involved.

McCain ended up with an awkward moment on Camera and some gasps, but he also shutdown the cryfest that I could tell he just didn't feel like dealing with. What do you think he feels like dealing with? Let's go with that.

435 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:28:26pm

re: #367 Racer X

Some people here need to seriously watch that movie again - tonight!

Spinning that disc after I hit the liquor store. Cheers!

436 flynmudd  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:28:42pm

I think it is pathetic that people on this forum are letting the dark side win. They are winning in the sense that we are fighting amongst ourselves and doubting that this fight is good versus evil. Bush left out one of his axis of evils....the far left loons.

437 Biff  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:31:36pm

John McCain should have answered, "You should be scared of Obama."

Now that is a sound bite.

438 Biff  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:32:59pm

re: #436 flynmudd

I think it is pathetic that people on this forum are letting the dark side win. ... this fight is good versus evil. Bush left out one of his axis of evils....the far left loons.

The operative word for John and his handlers is Fight.

439 SFGoth  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:33:40pm

I give up! I re-registered Republican in 1996 so I could vote for Dole, Bush, and McCain? I don't see the point in being Republican anymore. It certainly isn't the social issues for me. McCain's trying to steal the Dem economic platform out from under them -- yeah, John, by buying up all those bad mortgages, especially from those illegals you love -- you're going to have to raise taxes. I just don't F'ing get it. I want someone to clean up the sewer in Washington and there's only one guy who's got the balls and the will to do it. Giuliani. Everyone else is just dicking around at the margins with a tax cut here and a free trade there.... If he ever seeks national office again and the conservative right tries to take him down because he wore a dress at a spoof, or he has gay friends, or whatever, I'll do the same thing to the GOP I've done to the Dems -- not vote for their party no, matter, what.

440 edr  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:34:56pm

Hmmm.

sigh. WTF.

441 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:37:12pm

re: #388 Elcid

As 'Dandy' Don Meredith use to sing on Monday Night Football..."Turn out the lights the party's over"

How stupid would Dandy Don have been to have sung that song in the 3rd quarter? Because that's where we are now.

We are Americans. We don't give up.

442 bungie  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:37:28pm

Charles,
Something is way wrong. Whenever I hit the ding (-), it changes the number by 4 or 5 not just by one so if someone is a -4, when I ding them they become a -8. The first time it happened I thought maybe it was a coincidence and a number of other people were dinging at the same time, but now I've seen it keeps happening. . .

443 Spirit93  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:40:39pm

re: #442 bungie

Charles,
Something is way wrong. Whenever I hit the ding (-), it changes the number by 4 or 5 not just by one so if someone is a -4, when I ding them they become a -8. The first time it happened I thought maybe it was a coincidence and a number of other people were dinging at the same time, but now I've seen it keeps happening. . .

The counter only refreshes after you ding it. If it's been awhile since you loaded the page, many people may have dinged it before you got to it.

444 talon_262  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:42:11pm

re: #236 eon

That's what I want to hear Obama's campaign poobahs telling him on his frickin' Magic Carpet back to Chicago on the night of 3 November.

/Just like Jimmy Carter got on his way to Plains, GA, the night before Election Day in 1980.

I'm voting for McCain & Palin just because of the number of people I know it will piss off. Who's with me?

cheers

eon

F**k yeah....I'll do my bit to try to drag McCain and Palin across the finish line. To not do so would be almost criminal...I'll be damned if I'm gonna wake up Nov. 5th to a President Obama knowing that I didn't do all that I could have to prevent it.

445 medaura18586  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:46:33pm

re: #17 Charles

I don't think he's losing his nerve as much he's way, WAY, WAAAY too concerned with looking fair.

I beg to differ. I think he subconsciously knows that he will lose, and is now second-handedly praising himself: Oh, it is not as if he is an overall horrible candidate and the only compelling reason for any non-hyper-partisan voter to support him is the dire need to keep Obama out of office. He is just a heck of a lot better than Obama, who is in turn nonetheless a fine, fine gentleman!

He pretends to be something more than just an anti-Obama referendum. I think he knows he blew it in the last debate. Americans would rather have him lead in times of crisis? Well, we are in a middle of an unprecedented financial crisis, and he doesn't know the first thing about the economy, let alone about finance. He has been a dead fish, and his political collateral is expiring. He thinks this is time to pad himself in the back, as not just a desperate choice for people determined to deter Obama, but as the real deal,---as the 'heck of a lot better' candidate than another fine fellow.

John McCain sucks...

Does it say anything about the country, that these are the two men representing the alternatives in these crucial times?

446 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:47:29pm

Don't know what to do?

447 abolitionist  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:49:35pm

re: #442 bungie

A ding updates the count for that one comment. A page refresh updates for all. What you are seeing includes up/down dings by others. Click on the # to see who dinged.

448 profitsbeard  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:50:04pm

Bringing a rubber knife to a gunfight.

449 bungie  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:50:16pm

re: #443 Spirit93

Thanks! I'm learning as I go. . . .

On McCain, I always suspected he lacked the killer instinct. It seemed too easy for him to forgive the N.Vietnamese, and the Bush campaign in 2000 after those awful rumors in South Carolina. I suppose he's trying to show leadership.

Anderson Cooper (CNN) liked it though. I wonder if the MSM are going to come around to some extent in the next few weeks. I bet they don't like seeing their portfolios and 401 k tanking. I bet they're afraid of Obama. . .

450 Student of Objectivism  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:52:31pm

where is Charles's email box?

Oh, and this is a good video to watch, but not that shocking. Both sides appeal the center during presidential elections.

451 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:52:59pm

re: #426 Intrepid

And just as lemmings, so many lizards are falling all over themselves to follow TPM off the ledge? And to support Obama?

To hell with that! I won't give up without a fight! No matter what threads are posted here!

Did you watch the McCain/Palin interview with Hannity? When they hit the campaign trail, they tell each other to have fun.

This isn't fun for Lord Obama, it's serious business and he professionally trashes McCain in every other sentence.

/WE'RE NOT GIVING UP FIGHTING, WITH ONLY 25 DAYS LEFT, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET LCDR JOHN SYDNEY McCAIN III TO QUIT LOLLIGAGGING AND GET HIS [EXPLETIVE DELETED] ASS BACK IN THE WAR!

452 farblonjet  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:56:29pm

John,

you massive vagina. I know you want to be the statesman and remain on the high ground, but this is not going to win you the election, my friend.

The greatest thing the democrats have done in the past few weeks is make america believe that they had nothing to do with the mortgage crisis.

John, what you need to do is name names. AND NAME THEM LOUDLY. YELL AS LOUD AS YOU CAN! YELL SO THE MEDIA CANNOT DISTORT YOUR MESSAGE AND DISTORT THE TRUTH!

453 medaura18586  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 7:57:09pm

re: #174 Killgore Trout

That's a good point. I was on the fence between Hillary and McCain before the Dem nomination. If Hillary was running I'd be voting Dem this year.

Sad...

McCain is really no better than Hillary. Despite her rhetoric for pandering purposes, I don't think we would have seen a worse presidency than her husband, which wasn't all that bad (depending on how much mitigating effect one might want to attribute to the Republican Congress of those years).

Indeed sad...

454 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:00:05pm

re: #419 NY Nana

/Don't confuse it with facts.

What are the facts, NYNana?

455 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:01:59pm

re: #420 flynmudd

Hear hear! I'm fighting for your son as well!

Though some here have obviously given up hope....

456 funky chicken  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:02:27pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

Dude, check out the clip in context....
McCain booed after telling crowd to be respectful to Obama
Check out the lady in red just before the money quote from McCain, "I can't trust him. I've read about him. He's an arab."
I'm among the first to critisize McCain here but he's scolding his audience for being uninformed and stupid. They put him in a tough spot. McCain supporters are doing a lot of damage. It wasn't that long ago that was a left wing phenomenon. The right has it now too. We have serious problems.

THANK YOU KILGORE.

Really, I'm starting to wonder if they need to go back to smaller venues with more controlled crowds. Sorry, but that old ranting dude who grabbed the mic yesterday and basically screamed about socialists turns off a whole lot more voters than he attracts.

457 poovey1171  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:03:04pm

I am beginning to suspect that ACORN started it's voter fraud campaign way back during the Republican primary. They Only needed to work hard in a few states to get McCain the nomination.

458 tradewind  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:04:28pm

No, wait.... it's really genius. Reverse psych, or maybe McC would call it reverse psyOps. Put the thought in there...... don't think about the word ' elephant'
...... huh? Scared of Obama? I never thought of that, why would I have been scared...... wait a minute.....
/insert sarc here, or not/

459 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:05:04pm

re: #423 tasteslikechicken

Senile, dementia, stupidity, whatever. McCain is an inept, feckless candidate. I didn't vote for the loser, but now I must.

I hope the open borders, free-speech restraining dude wins. But he is merely socialist-lite. Barry is 80-proof socialism.

I see the end of my country due to these god damned rinos.

Preaching to the wrong crowd here, asshole. My mom has Alzheimers', and I am her care giver.

When you liken Senator McCain to my mother, I could spit nails right at your ass and hit you from 100 yards out.

If you don't like McCain, fine. But keep your "dementia" type comments to your own self.

Regardless, you are a turd. And one that needs to be flushed, quickly.

/spit

460 funky chicken  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:11:27pm

re: #420 flynmudd

Let them riot. F*ck them. I would prefer to clean up after a riot than after an Obama presidency. We will survive riots, always have. I don't want to find out about the later. I'm a woman and I swear I have more balls than some of the men in this forum. Would you fight for your family or just fall prostrate at their feet as they destroy your home and country? Geez people! My son is deployed right now and I promised him that the good guys would win this fight and he would still have his country when he got back! I don't plan on failing him.

My husband is deployed, fighting for all of us. That's why I can't stand seeing people who are supposedly conservatives falling all over themselves to demonize John McCain and pat themselves on the back that they were completely justified in doing NOTHING AT ALL to keep Barack Obama out of the Oval Office.

461 Macker  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:11:49pm

re: #272 libertexian

So the election is over. Just like that, McCain throws in the towel. Please unsubscribe me and remove any evidence I have ever participated at LGF. I think I see brown shirts gathering in the street now.

Over and out.

Bubye

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out!

462 RightMinded  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:11:54pm

Okay, after watching the video over on HotAir I feel a tad better and I've changed my ding from minus to plus. The woman in red at the end of the clip does put McCain in a tight spot, but his response once again reminds me why he was not my first OR second choice in the primary.

He can tell the woman no, Obama is not an arab, and she shouldn't be afraid of him. BUT, as many well-spoken lizards have already stated here, he should say that she should be afraid of what an Obama presidency along with a democrat congress could do to our country. The damage they can do is what to be frightened of, and that is why we must continue to fight for our conservative ideas.

It seems to me that after all the coverage lately about the hostile McCain/Palin crowds, they should have been aware of something like this coming up again. They should have tried to come up with a response, like those mentioned above, before he is put on the spot again. I mean McCain has been in politics for how many YEARS? Surely he could have come up with a smoother response. That is what gets me frustrated.

Instead, McCain always seems to go too far in the other direction. Says he respects Obama for "his accomplishments"---huh? What accomplishments? That is what McCain does to disappoint me. He should quit trying to play it so hard to the middle.

463 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:12:28pm

re: #446 Slumbering Behemoth

Don't know what to do?

"You can act like a MAN!"

Damn straight. Some of us women are acting more "like a man" than many of the men are.

464 ZoomieMSgt  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:16:18pm

Sorry CDR McCain....I respectfully disagree.

Be afraid, be very afraid.

Everyone is forgetting something very important here, the military will be under the control of a socialist..who will NOT hesitate to use us to solidify control. I for one will be able to retire, but almost every one of the young men and women under my command depend on the paycheck to survive. They WILL follow lawful orders, even if it means enforcing a mass disarming of the civilian population. That's the honest, unbearable truth lizards, they will have no choice and will do it. The socialists will force the military to come to our homes, those who registered weapons at least, and we will have to make a decision. Could you fire on soldiers in uniform? I know I could not. I'm not going to kill a kid who has been ordered to come to my house and get my registered weapons. Here is what you need to do. Submit. Tell the poor kid who got the duty to knock on your door that you are completely willing to submit to the Order, but that you need to talk to the senior NCO in charge. I want to highlight this, the Senior NCO, not the Officer in charge. Senior NCO's for the most part, have been there and done that, they are usually better educated and more savvy than the elite would like to credit. You give them the registered weapons, be polite and compliant....they will wink and look aside even if they see a LAW sitting on your coffee table. I know I would, since orders to disarm the population will be made by Lawyers, and I'd follow the letter of the Law instead of the intent.

465 tasteslikechicken  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:17:13pm

re: #459 Intrepid

Preaching to the wrong crowd here, asshole. My mom has Alzheimers', and I am her care giver.

When you liken Senator McCain to my mother, I could spit nails right at your ass and hit you from 100 yards out.

If you don't like McCain, fine. But keep your "dementia" type comments to your own self.

Regardless, you are a turd. And one that needs to be flushed, quickly.

/spit

I haven't claimed that McCain has Alzheimers.

But the man is old and not fully there. I've seen the man discombobulate too much. He is a an absolute pile of dung as a candidate.

Don't blame me for his ineptitude. I wish we had nominated a real cogent conservative. One who could articulate freedom.

But, no, we have a turd.

466 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:17:15pm

re: #451 Killian Bundy

Did you watch the McCain/Palin interview with Hannity? When they hit the campaign trail, they tell each other to have fun.

This isn't fun for Lord Obama, it's serious business and he professionally trashes McCain in every other sentence.

/WE'RE NOT GIVING UP FIGHTING, WITH ONLY 25 DAYS LEFT, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET LCDR JOHN SYDNEY McCAIN III TO QUIT LOLLIGAGGING AND GET HIS [EXPLETIVE DELETED] ASS BACK IN THE WAR!

THEN YOU DO IT TOO, KILLIAN! STOP WITH THE NEGATIVE CRAP AND START WITH THE FIGHTING FOR MCCAIN/PALIN!

After all, you were the one who predicted she would be the VP candidate the night before she was announced! You were the one who was so stoked about it!

And now you're caving like a little girl in the face of adversity?

FIGHT! FIGHT, KILLIAN BUNDY!

467 funky chicken  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:19:09pm

re: #124 EE

The Obama thugs send agents provocateurs to McCain rallies to say "Death to Obama!", and to get this response from John McCain, to sweep the rug out from under his campaign.

Just have the creep arrested and investigate who sent him. You don't have to disarm your campaign, Senator.

Yep. I think they had better screen attendees better or just go to smaller venues that can be better controlled. It would have to be cheaper to rent the small places and do the cleaning afterwards too.

Then spend the money on ads.

468 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:20:00pm

re: #465 tasteslikechicken

I haven't claimed that McCain has Alzheimers.

But the man is old and not fully there. I've seen the man discombobulate too much. He is a an absolute pile of dung as a candidate.

Don't blame me for his ineptitude. I wish we had nominated a real cogent conservative. One who could articulate freedom.

But, no, we have a turd.

You likened him to one who has "dementia". That is Alzheimer's, you shit.

I'm not blaming you for John McCain's gaffes - I'm calling you out on your shitty comments here.

469 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:22:14pm

I am not scared of Obama...I am just violently ill that he is within a hair's breadth of becoming POTUS on such an absurdly Socialist platform, that so many Americans even consider him a viable choice.

470 LGoPs  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:26:50pm

re: #99 jwpaine

Well, I suspect there are a few of us who won't go quietly into that particular good night.

Time to keep our powder dry......

471 stuiec  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:30:48pm

re: #347 Colonel Panik

I miss Duncan Hunter.

Palin's best VP pick in 2012, for sure.

472 kansas  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:30:50pm

re: #387 Intrepid

So you want Obama to win? Is that what you're saying? Because it will get ugly? There may be riots in the streets, true. But do you actually want Obama to win?

You've been gloomy for some time now, kansas. Do you want Obama to win? Is that what you're after?

Because I don't want that to happen. And I'm damned sure gonna fight to make sure it doesn't. You can bitch and moan and whine all you want, but I'm gonna fight! FIGHT to the very end.

Give up if you want, since you're obviously wanting to.



No I don't want Hussein to win. Yes I'm gloomy and I can bitch all I want, but just maybe I wouldn't be so gloomy if my candidate would get in the fucking game.

473 Palandine  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:31:27pm

re: #203 Charles

I am sensing anger.

You betcha.

We just came off a week where we lost a tremendous amount of wealth. The world is facing a recession, and a majority of Americans seem ready to vote for an untested, unqualified socialist for President. The man the media and the left chose for the Republican candidate waited too late to take it to Obama, all out of a sense of Senate collegiality.

It's like living in 1976 and seeing people voting for Carter. You want to scream at them to stop, but they won't. We are heading into difficult, difficult times.

474 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:32:05pm

re: #466 Intrepid

THEN YOU DO IT TOO, KILLIAN! STOP WITH THE NEGATIVE CRAP AND START WITH THE FIGHTING FOR MCCAIN/PALIN!

After all, you were the one who predicted she would be the VP candidate the night before she was announced! You were the one who was so stoked about it!

And now you're caving like a little girl in the face of adversity?

FIGHT! FIGHT, KILLIAN BUNDY!

Negative crap? I'm just stating what happened. He did say it, and it was already on all the MSM dinner time broadcasts long before Charles posted it.

/and I'd still like to know what drugged out adviser put him in "not going to carry" Minnesota today?

475 stuiec  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:33:43pm

re: #320 Biff

That is the right question. Unfortunately, it didn't ahve to come to this. The GOP could have offered up far superior candidates. McCainis just too much like the Democrats. We knew it all along. He should have never entered the race. He is now just an enabler to the lying terror/symp Obama.

Yes - but Republicans voted for him. And the other candidates didn't run winning campaigns. I tend to think Romney dropped out too soon, and I personally don't think Huckabee should have run, but all those things happened, and now we have to play the hand we've been dealt.

476 insomniac  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:34:33pm
13 ibmkeyboard 10/10/08 5:37:44 pm reply quote 2

I feel it is a sad day for all veterans.

Especially those of us that served in Vietnam.

I thought we finally had found a fighter,
a man that would stand up to socialism.

It's tragic. Thousands of Americans gave their life to stop the spread of communism in South East Asia. Back home in the United States, Bill Ayers Weather Underground, declared a war on the US government.

It's founding document called for a "white fighting force" to be allied with the "Black Liberation Movement" and other radical movements to achieve "the destruction of US imperialism and achieve a classless world: world communism.

Now, in Barack Obama, Bill Ayers has a proxy who may be the next president of the United States!

This is just tragic.

Wake up America! You may lose your country to Obama and his communist and racist buddies!

477 funky chicken  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:35:29pm

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Begone astroturfer

478 Inquisitive  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:35:40pm

re: #465 tasteslikechicken

I haven't claimed that McCain has Alzheimers.

But the man is old and not fully there. I've seen the man discombobulate too much. He is a an absolute pile of dung as a candidate.

Don't blame me for his ineptitude. I wish we had nominated a real cogent conservative. One who could articulate freedom.

But, no, we have a turd.


Intrepid is correct.....you are a TURD

479 leftover54  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:37:12pm

They've got Biden saying "Hillery would have been the better choice" and we got McCain saying "My opponent ain't such a bad guy after all".

These two comments have to be unparalleled in any election from Class President to the office of POTUS.
It has to be an age thing - at 42 you can process 10 responses, cross off 9 of them in 3 seconds and spew
out a BS answer seamlessly, like you didn't even have to think about your answer, in the time it takes to sneeze. It probably hit John sometime later while heading to the mens room ..smacks forehead:
Damn ! I could have said "you're scared ?
I don't know the meaning of "scared" ! (or ascared) - next question please". What was I thinking ?
Oh damn, too late, think it will show on my blue suit ?
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480 tasteslikechicken  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:37:12pm

re: #468 Intrepid

You likened him to one who has "dementia". That is Alzheimer's, you shit.

I'm not blaming you for John McCain's gaffes - I'm calling you out on your shitty comments here.

I've dealt with great people with Alzheimer's. Absolutely lucid in a conversation but who sadly had no recollection of it moments later.

And I've dealt with people with dementia who were sadly confused about what was going on at the moment they were talking.

John McCain, and his absurd campaign, is falling into the latter.

I wish he could pull it together. I will vote for him regardless. But he is horribly, terribly flawed. A real conservative would obliterate Hussein. McCain is a joke.

481 kansas  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:39:07pm

re: #420 flynmudd

Let them riot. F*ck them. I would prefer to clean up after a riot than after an Obama presidency. We will survive riots, always have. I don't want to find out about the later. I'm a woman and I swear I have more balls than some of the men in this forum. Would you fight for your family or just fall prostrate at their feet as they destroy your home and country? Geez people! My son is deployed right now and I promised him that the good guys would win this fight and he would still have his country when he got back! I don't plan on failing him.

I was jus sayin

482 LGoPs  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:39:17pm

re: #130 Intrepid

So let me ask this question: We've seen sixteen plus years of the democrats attacking republicans with no or very little truth on their side. The Clintons pulled it, and the dems pulled it these past eight years with Bush in the WH.

Their MO is lies, lies, lies. And yes, they've been effective with the IQ challenged public and their sycophantic crowd.

Do we really want to jump down into that hole with them? Do we really want to so devalue the election process that we're willing to do anything, anything, to get elected?

Because if we lower ourselves once while saying to ourselves, "it's just this once! We have to do this in order to get elected!", then we will become the very despicable characters we repudiate.


I don't buy that. the other sides been fighting dirty for the last 30 years - increasing their vitriol over time to the point where now there are threats of riots - anybody reminded of 'No justice, no peace' (spit). It's time we meet them and if we get our hair mussed....too bad. This country is worth fighting for.
Keep your powder dry.

483 SFGoth  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:42:26pm

re: #473 Palandine

You betcha.

It's like living in 1976 and seeing people voting for Carter. You want to scream at them to stop, but they won't. We are heading into difficult, difficult times.


Difference is, not only did Carter have plausible moderate credentials -- mainstream church, naval officer, etc., but there was no way to know how he'd turn out. I think McCain's trying to channel Jerry Ford, but he's channel Ford Motors, and it's tanking.

484 GGMac  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:42:29pm

re: #130 Intrepid

So let me ask this question: We've seen sixteen plus years of the democrats attacking republicans with no or very little truth on their side. The Clintons pulled it, and the dems pulled it these past eight years with Bush in the WH.

Their MO is lies, lies, lies. And yes, they've been effective with the IQ challenged public and their sycophantic crowd.

Do we really want to jump down into that hole with them? Do we really want to so devalue the election process that we're willing to do anything, anything, to get elected?

Because if we lower ourselves once while saying to ourselves, "it's just this once! We have to do this in order to get elected!", then we will become the very despicable characters we repudiate.

You/we/McCain would only be jumping down into that hole with them if what you/we/McCain said was not the truth.

NOTHING wrong with speaking the truth.

485 idaniboy  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:45:01pm

re: #480 tasteslikechicken

McCain's medical records have been vetted... if he really had dementia, there's no way the GOP would have let him win the primaries

486 tasteslikechicken  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:45:05pm

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Begone astroturfer

oh, yes.

McCain is second coming of Ronald Reagan. Or, perhaps, Barry Goldwater.

My bad.

487 mjwsatx  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:45:12pm

McCain's got to do a better job of communicating. We've just had 8 years of a guy who could just not make his case to the American public. While McCain was right to politely correct the woman in red, there are hundreds of reasons to be scared of an Obama presidency and he should have enumerated them loudly and clearly - if he wants to sit behind the desk in the Oval Office, that is. This "gentleman politics" does not work in today's world when your opponent is a slick liar and the entire media is against you. WAKE UP JOHN!

488 Lynn B.  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:47:02pm

re: #361 Killian Bundy

/you can pretty much pin that on Huckabee

F*ck Huck.

/did I say that?

489 krycek  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:48:38pm

all I can say is good grief Charlie Brown.

I know I'll wake up and it'll all be bad dream.

490 jaydee  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:48:39pm

re: #487 mjwsatx

McCain's got to do a better job of communicating. We've just had 8 years of a guy who could just not make his case to the American public. While McCain was right to politely correct the woman in red, there are hundreds of reasons to be scared of an Obama presidency and he should have enumerated them loudly and clearly - if he wants to sit behind the desk in the Oval Office, that is. This "gentleman politics" does not work in today's world when your opponent is a slick liar and the entire media is against you. WAKE UP JOHN!

Exactly.

491 Palandine  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:49:35pm

re: #483 SFGoth

Difference is, not only did Carter have plausible moderate credentials -- mainstream church, naval officer, etc., but there was no way to know how he'd turn out. I think McCain's trying to channel Jerry Ford, but he's channel Ford Motors, and it's tanking.

I am, of course, voting for McCain. Regardless of what happens, I need to be able to look myself in the mirror. Turnout is going to be everything. At least ACORN are being shown for the crooks they are. We may yet win. I am not letting my heart be troubled. I just can't believe this is happening.

492 tasteslikechicken  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:50:33pm

re: #485 idaniboy

McCain's medical records have been vetted... if he really had dementia, there's no way the GOP would have let him win the primaries

If the GOP had a spine, there is no way they would have let a feckless semi-socialist gain the nomination.

But they did.

And so now we get America's first Marxist president.

Yeah.

493 leftover54  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:52:23pm

re: #67 eon

I was talking to a lady today that knew Sarah a few years back. One of the things she said endeared her to Sarah was an issue over snow plow operators that took care of their own families driveways while plowing in a mutual neighbor of theirs, a lady in her 80's. The old lady would be out shoveling in the freezing cold, the truck would come through and create another bank of snow that she would have to tackle all over again. She said this lady had several doctors appoint's. a month etc., she needed to get to timely and this was a dangerous hindrance. She also said Todd would always check on her, go over with his plow and try to keep her (long) driveway clear & Sarah would drive her to the appoint's. Finally Sarah had had enough and went down to the "Town Hall" whatever, and took on the close knit group of plow drivers which caused her all sorts of retribution for killing the goose...She made the point that these guys and their families had perfectly clear drives but when it came to this old lady they were heartless. This would sound like her intro. to fighting "city hall" and taking on the good 'ol boys. This is a fairly common small town "issue". The politics of it are if the drivers want clean drives, they'd better make sure the Town Super., Police Chief etc., etc. are taken care of too - so, by raising the issue she pissed off the existing power structure as they had to come out against the practice and therefore ruin their own good thing. This lady told me that from those day forward Sarah has had her sleeves rolled up, fighting ever since. Survival.
(Get it John ?)

494 Lynn B.  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:53:01pm

re: #17 Charles

I don't think he's losing his nerve as much he's way, WAY, WAAAY too concerned with looking fair.

Way late to this thread, but ... actually, thinking about it, I'm afraid that in McCain's mind, it's more that he's WAY, WAAAY too concerned with BEING fair. As he's implied in other positions he's taken (e.g. on "torture"), he actually believes that honor trumps everything. If only ... But you can't win an election that way unless your opponent plays by the same rules. Therein lies the rub.

495 LGoPs  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:58:06pm

re: #482 LGoPs

I don't buy that. the other sides been fighting dirty for the last 30 years - increasing their vitriol over time to the point where now there are threats of riots - anybody reminded of 'No justice, no peace' (spit). It's time we meet them and if we get our hair mussed....too bad. This country is worth fighting for.
Keep your powder dry.

One clarification - I didn't mean to imply we should use their tactics, i.e., lies. But we should get in their face and unapologetically fire back with the facts.....

496 melinwy  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 8:59:51pm

re: #92 Kosh's Shadow

What a week to give up drinking (for a while).
If I start drinking, my gout will stop going away; alcohol and indomethacin are not good together (not real bad, but not good).

I made it through Yom Kippur; gout eased enough to make it (but I did have water; if I didn't, the gout would have really come back).

Couldn't even avoid the people talking about the market outside of services.

McCain turns into a wimp.

Got laid off and still haven't paid the debts from the last time, 5 years ago.
(Content delivery networks are having a hard time right now, apparently.)
If 0bama gets elected, the economy will get worse. but at least they'll feed me in the re-education camps (/sarc)

absolutely drink cherry juice.....it will take care of that gout,......only one I've found is
R. W. Knudsen, Just Black Cherry
drink every day about 4 ounces.....

497 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:03:23pm

re: #463 Intrepid

"You can act like a MAN!"

Damn straight. Some of us women are acting more "like a man" than many of the men are.

As a man, I am embarrassed for my gender to say you are correct. Well, partly correct. I would say "some men", rather than "many men".

Still, many of you Lizardettes do seem to have an ample amount of testicular fortitude. I have come to expect this from Lizards regardless of gender, race, creed, etc., and the recent dirge of "woe be unto us" from some has been irritating me, and it seems out of character for this blog.

Don't get me wrong, I entertain no illusions that McCain will most certainly win this election, but at the same time I refuse to give into despair and cry all is lost.

Heh, it brings to mind that Henry Rollins tune.

What do you do?
What do you do?
What do you do?
You deal with it, THAT'S what you do!

498 rboa  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:19:04pm

I really thought McCain wanted it more than this. My question is: If he knew he was going to be this bad of a candidate, why did he bother running?

499 Voton  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:25:02pm

McCain is just not closing the deal, and it looks as if he never will. Maybe the Republicans will learn that they need to nominate the right person for the job, not just the guy with the most seniority who happens to be next in line.

500 exredtory  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:26:06pm

As the Brits would say, McCain seems to have lost the plot.

501 Oldbluesboy  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:26:22pm

What a bunch of wimps and whiners at that rally, including McCain. Why would anybody with any sense go to the microphone and cry about being afraid of Obama, especially to McCain? What" Are they looking for protection from him? Crap!

I'm scared $hitless about Yobama. Not OF him, but about him opening the dam for a socialist state that I'll never live through. Yeah, be afraid, but don't go to the McCain altar looking for a way out.
Idiots.........

502 desertbrat  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 9:36:04pm

re: #302 sparrowlake

McCain cannot win this election without the Hilary Dems. He has rightly or wrongly determined that he cannot win them over with a no-holds barred atack on Obama. He has been advised that his base may fray but will not break over this approach.
So fray away, folks, but you will not break.

From reading the blogs at the pro-Hillary sites, McCain does not have to fear that he would lose their support if he attacked Obama....in fact they are pleading with him to go hard after Obama. They detest Obama and the Dems for the way Hillary was treated.

503 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:01:10pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

Dude, check out the clip in context....
McCain booed after telling crowd to be respectful to Obama
Check out the lady in red just before the money quote from McCain, "I can't trust him. I've read about him. He's an arab."
I'm among the first to critisize McCain here but he's scolding his audience for being uninformed and stupid. They put him in a tough spot. McCain supporters are doing a lot of damage. It wasn't that long ago that was a left wing phenomenon. The right has it now too. We have serious problems.

Too many people are reading and believing stupid Internet rumors, and concentrating on things like whether Obama's a muslim, his birth certificate, etc. I know because people send me that crap.

504 FinallyHere  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:08:16pm

re: #460 funky chicken

My husband is deployed, fighting for all of us. That's why I can't stand seeing people who are supposedly conservatives falling all over themselves to demonize John McCain and pat themselves on the back that they were completely justified in doing NOTHING AT ALL to keep Barack Obama out of the Oval Office.

I agree with you. First thing first, Nothing is nore important than saving this country from the second coming of Carter ( and I am being optimistic).
Today I put McCain/Palin signs all over my yard.
And send this video to everybody on my list:

Only somebody without brain can vote for Obama after watching this movie.

No matter what I think about McCain, Obama is a disaster of cosmic proportions.

505 leftover54  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:24:33pm

re: #482 LGoPs

He still could have answered the statement/question much, much differently w/o going over that line.
Personally, I would not stay in the same room/store/bar with the likes of (an) Ayers or a Wright. No normal person thinks it's ok to "blow up" buildings. No normal person would excuse this behavior no matter how long ago it occurred - it shows a basic lack of a conscience. I wouldn't want a person like this around my wife or kids and would not open up the possibility of this happening - the same reason why I wouldn't talk to or encourage a dialogue with a drug dealer. Not for my own protection but for my wife and kids. If you can rationalize blowing up cars/buildings etc., because you're not getting what you want...in short, yeah, the man is dangerous and people should be "scared". McCain should understand this. No rational thinking human being would consider talking about this stuff. If Obama only went to this guys house or inserted himself into a social/professional situation with him knowing the guys past, then he is questionable also. If I worked at the same college as Ayers I would have had a real problem with his hiring. How did he get hired to begin with ? I wouldn't let my kid within 500 feet of this guy and certainly wouldn't want him talking to me kid. I don't think I'm being "over the top" here. It amazes me what people will be cool with in the abstract. Let this guy become a teacher in most peoples home town where their kid goes to school and I GUARANTEE there would be "issues". Its ok for Clinton to get a knobber in the White House - that's "cool". let the same woman that voted for or support the degenerate find out their own hubby is doing same with his secretary...watch the F*CK OUT ! This is typical of Libs. When you want to get them to understand a "situation" think up an analogous story (fake) and make it local for them )on their block, neighborhood, work place etc, and you get a totally different reaction on the matter. I've done this countless times with several I know - I then wait a week before I spill the beans. They're never happy being "had" but they get the point !
So, what the hells my point ? There is no reason for McCain to feel he's being "mean" by pointing out the truth about Obamas "associations", just make it local for 'em and they ("Libs") will get it. Damn, its just common sense !

"Honey, I'm just running over to Bills house for a couple hours - have a few beers and shoot some pool"
"Bill ? which Bill ?"
"You know, the ex radical hippie guy (I'm spinning) and his wife Bernadine, you know, the ones that used to blow up police stations and Gov't. buildings back in the 60's"
"NO, I don't think so ! Get your butt back in here, what are you thinking ? And I don't want either of them coming around here either."

Personally, I would expect this type of reaction/scenario with every last friends/couples I know. I can't imagine otherwise. And I don't belong to some weird cult, live in some ultra red neck town - just typical every day folks.
I'm sure the local police would advise same if you asked:
"Think its ok to get to know these people ?".
Do you think any typical town would let this guy teach in their school ? HELL NO ! Right up there with child molesters or the "Trench Coat Mafia". Just something you don't want around your kids. That should say it all.
Anybody here think I'm being small minded/provincial ?

506 DeeAitch  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:30:51pm

This has me wondering who made the bigger blunder; Dems for nominating Obama, or Republicans for nominating McCain.

507 donna quixote  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 10:54:12pm

McCain is out Thompsoning Fred. I'm disgusted.

508 leftover54  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:02:13pm

Ooops, left out Michael Jackson...

509 realwest  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:03:19pm

This really does it: now every time I look at McCain, I'm gonna be seeing Bob Dole.
Fuck.

510 leftover54  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:09:40pm

I was surprised at how much slack Charles Krauthammer cut Obama also.

511 leftover54  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:13:50pm

re: #98 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

How do you like your eggs ? Scrambled I hope ! McCain declared, back in June, that his (Obamas) associations were "off limits". He painted himself into a corner that far back.

512 leftover54  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:31:43pm

There should be enough in print (Lib print) out there for McCain's people to snip out and paste on a card for McCain to whip out and read from - "And I quote..." so as to make him only the messenger rather than the "attacker" that he seems to not want to be.
-ACORN
-Ayers
-Frank
-Dodd
-Raines
-Johnson
-Gorelick
-Clintons signature/legislation - 1999
-Barrys own words
and on and on - if I have they should have it. I think it would be a good strategy at this point...
"He keeps saying (this) yet on Sept. ?, 2008, in an article by (?) of the NY Times (spit)..... So you see my friends, Its not me or our campaign or the 537's....etc.,etc." It would be nice if Bill or Hillary had something quotable and tasty just prior...get those Hillary votes. They know how to get even. I'm sure the C's don't want to loose everything they've acquired since leaving the White House - they have to be a bit jittery too - party affiliation or not. I mean they really don't believe that BS they've spewed.

513 Norm Chumpsky  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:33:19pm

He's a complete dumbass for running these town halls and giving the microphones to audience members. It's one thing to do it with the opposition but at this point he needs to be giving scripted stump speeches, not giving senile old women a chance to make him look stupid. Do you see Obama handing over the mic to Truthers and Moonbats to spew whatever they want? No, he controls the situation to his advantage.

It IS Bob Dole all over again.....Pair McCain's obvious tiredness, the media's constant bombardment of Palin and a bad economy with people that will take smooth talk and quasi-Marxist imagery over substance and there ya have it.

514 leftover54  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:40:01pm

#112:

Obama campaign is definitely not averse to supplementing the crowd to get their desired result.

As we are soon to find out more about from Dr. J. Corsi Monday night on Hannity/Alien Colmes' show.

515 hazzyday  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:43:26pm

re: #63 DistantThunder

I thought he officially is 3/8's arab and 1/8th black + 1/2 white

Officially he is black. The arab stuff is just crap being spouted to arouse anti muslim sympathies on the right.

516 Truizm  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:47:42pm

We need to have a massive Nobama rally in Washington one week before the election. Give people a chance to show their opposition!

517 leftover54  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:49:18pm

re: #131 Abu Al-Poopypants


Was thinking that myself...

518 LittleGreenFavre  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:49:40pm

re: #7 cblesz

When is he gonna take his balls out of the jar on the mantle?

"If Sarah Palin gave John McCain one of her cojones, they'd both have two."
/James Carville mode off

519 LittleGreenFavre  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:54:46pm

C'mon, Senator McCain, and with all due respect, please FIGHT FOR AMERICA'S SOUL! She is calling you to sacrifice yourself for her once more. Apparently this is a life mission assigned to you by God himself. America is in grave danger as she never has been since the Civil War. Will you defend her without sparing a drop of your strength until Election Day at least? PLEASE?

520 LittleGreenFavre  Fri, Oct 10, 2008 11:59:27pm

re: #515 hazzyday

Officially he is black. The arab stuff is just crap being spouted to arouse anti muslim sympathies on the right.

Ethnically he is mulato: his father is black, his mother is white. Personally he chose to identify himself as African-American. He has every right to his choice, so it makes it official. Case closed.

521 Yankee Sojourner  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:00:30am

The media keeps telling me all I really want to hear McCain talk about is the economy. I'm glad they told me that cause my mind had started to drift to other topics. But I can see that now.

What with Partial Birth Abortion kinder and gentler than it used to be and statutory perves no longer crossing state lines with underage girls, we needn't concern ourselves with that kind of stuff.

Then too, the ACLU said it agrees it will use common sense from now on and will stop using the Establishment Clause to bilk tax payers. The Gay Rights crowd said they've abandoned any agenda that includes indoctrinating little school kids or parading naked down Main Street. Text book publishers promise they won't rewrite history any more and universities across the nation have agreed to increase the number of conservative intellectuals among their faculty.

Rumor has it the NEA will soon issue a public apology for blocking school vouchers and admit maybe they took the multiculturalism thing a bit too far; they're even going to push for a Rural Caucasian History Month and remove the hyphen from all their keyboards as a goodwill gesture.

I'm glad all I really want to hear about is the economy. I was perilously close to thinking other things were important too. For instance, I even caught myself being curious as to Obama's stance on certain Supreme Court and FCC rulings. I even started to consider what life might be like with four more years of Nancy Pelosi and recalled how she wanted a full court press for reinstituting the Fairness Doctrine. I'll sleep better knowing from now till November 4th none of us need mentally multi-task. I just need to keep reminding myself "It's the economy stupid."

522 leftover54  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:13:13am

re: #138 big L

No sh*t ! I was just reading up on those laws today because it seems to me if you connect the dots...
Also, in a "heated" but friendly debate witha Lib pal o' mine last night I crossed the line, I was soooo frustrated with him, I went and said "you watch, the entire stack is coming down and its going to end in RICCO statute violations/charges.. I immediately wished I hadn't said that as we were basically calling our predictions between now and election day. Even I know this is a streeeeeetch...at least at this point in the game. He also dropped a bomb on me - I said "He will turn this country into a socialist state". My friend got quite and then said in a dead calm monotone "I'm a Socialist". I knew he was a bleeding heart that has been vacationing all over Europe over the past couple of years but I didn't think he took the bate while abroad. He'd always come home and tell me how things were run over there, especially Fwance. I thought he was just sharing things he'd learned on vacation - not that he was vacationing in his dream society(s). I shouldn't have been surprised but his delivery was that of a commie during the McCarthy error ! Just cast his fate to the wind and told me flat out he was a socialist like I would tell my parents I was a jewel thief or a meth addict these past 30 years or something ! I think he expected the phone line to go dead in his ear ! I just told him "That's ok, we all learn in our own time, I'm not finished with you yet" as I can tell I've been getting to him lately. Wish I never overstated the case though 'cause its going to hurt my credibility with him. I hate when I do that !

523 hazzyday  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:27:23am

Patton would slap the weak knee ed commenters around a little bit. Three weeks to go, all you can do is work harder to make a truth.

524 Crash_Test_Dhimmi  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:22:43am

I leave my country for one year and everyone stateside has gone nuts. I guess its too late, when I get back from Iraq I will be handing in my guns and heading to the Obama approved re-education center. "Yes We Can" My ***. If im lucky my absentee ballot might cancel out atleast one of ACORN's graveyard/felon/homeless guy X 100 ballots.

Im not scared of the crazies over here in Iraq, Im afraid of the Crazies who will take over our government, by hook or by crook.

525 Strike Hornet  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:35:41am

re: #1 kyle_st

He's just admitting the obvious. His campaign is over, and he knows it. His advisers and pollsters have likely been telling him that for 2 weeks or so.

I remember John F'in Kerry saying the very same thing about this time 4 years ago...
LOL...didn't workout to well for the old Winter Soldier....did it...or the inventor of the internet (and global warming) before him...LOL

526 Strike Hornet  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:37:42am

re: #524 Crash_Test_Dhimmi

I leave my country for one year and everyone stateside has gone nuts. I guess its too late, when I get back from Iraq I will be handing in my guns and heading to the Obama approved re-education center. "Yes We Can" My ***. If im lucky my absentee ballot might cancel out atleast one of ACORN's graveyard/felon/homeless guy X 100 ballots.

Im not scared of the crazies over here in Iraq, Im afraid of the Crazies who will take over our government, by hook or by crook.

There are many of us standing with you Crash_Test...
We aint going nowhere...and don't be handing in your guns...we might need'em...
;)

527 Strike Hornet  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:44:21am

re: #523 hazzyday

Patton would slap the weak knee ed commenters around a little bit. Three weeks to go, all you can do is work harder to make a truth.

Go see An American Carol...watching Kelsey Grammer as General Patton slap the shit out of the Michael Moore character is worth the price of the movie...

528 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:44:22am

I'm not sure what the problem is here except everyone wants to be upset with McCain.

The man is standing in a large media minefield where everything he says can and will be spun and used against him. The media is already portraying us as racists, war mongers, and now fear mongers. What McCain did today was not feed that beast.

These comments were not intended for us- they were intended for the media hacks and undecideds. We are the choir- he need not worry about converting us. Are we really going to not vote for him because of these remarks? Cut off our nose to spite our face? Unlikely.

But if he'd said the wrong thing, the media would be using it tonight and all weekend to convince undecided voters we really ARE fear mongering racists. If that were the case- game over. We're not going to win if that's what America thinks of us. McCain, however, did not play along. He denied our political enemies the ammunition they so desperately want.

In return for this- many here would give him a bloody nose. Sad. Very, very sad. And don't get me wrong- it's not like I loved hearing this, but I sure as hell don't want to spend all weekend hearing the media spin our candidate and our base as a bunch of angry racists. Do you?!

Again- we were not the target audience for these comments. McCain did what he had to do to keep the minds of undecided voters (who his victory depends on) open to his candidacy. Be angry with him if you want, but the voters we need are still available to us because McCain spoke wisely and denied our enemies a club with which to beat him (and us).

529 Strike Hornet  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:47:23am

re: #522 leftover54

Most "Libs" are socialists...Obama allows them to come out of the closet so to speak...this is just the beginning...

530 Strike Hornet  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:51:46am

re: #528 Sharmuta

I hear ya Shar...it's kinda like Obama wearing the Flag pin...the core commies...errrrr....liberals know it is just a show (because we know they HATE the flag) to the moderate independents.....
McCain has to play a similar same game with the press...

531 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:53:50am

re: #31 Charles

He said it because he's concerned about the recent spin that his speeches are "dangerous."

Yes- and the media and 0bamabots would have loved nothing more than to have ammunition to drive this so-called point home- all weekend long.

re: #47 Charles

Even in context ... he should not have said that.

I am surprised by this, Charles. The context here is everything. We are not going to make headway with independent, undecided voters if they are led to believe we're fear mongering racists. The only people we would attract with rhetoric like that is stormfront.

532 Forever  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:06:03am

Maybe, just maybe, this move, by wanting to get liked by the MSM so close to the elections he wins sympathy from the undecided ones and it could turn out to be a winners-strategy.

The votes of the conservatives he got. The votes of the dems he doesnt got. The votes of the floating undecided he can get!

GO JOHN.

533 yma o hyd  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:09:33am

Don't know if this has already been mentioned, as I'm late to this trhead.

But please recall the msm attempts at making an issue of someone in one of Sarah Palin's ralleys shouting 'Kill him' when she spoke of B0.

I think McCain did the right hting - he cannot be seen or heard to be racially abusive.
Just imagine if he'd agreed in any form - like nudge-nidge, wink-wink - to that lady in red who said she's scared of B0 because he's an Arab.

He knows the msm are pushing B0 exclusively, he knows that anything coming from his campaign is labelled 'racist' where it criticised B0.

What is he to do?
I think he handled this very well - the msm would ahve damned him, no matter what!

534 Ral  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:19:35am

re 528: Sharmuta.

Exactly, if he hadn't said the sort of thing that he did the MSM would be full of 'McCain condones racists' stories. The MSM is just playing their usual game of find one nutjob who supports McCain (ignoring the thousands who support BO) and claim all McCain supporters are like that.

There are many things to criticise McCain for but not falling into an obvious bear trap isn't one of them.

535 Strike Hornet  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:28:34am

re: #533 yma o hyd

Don't know if this has already been mentioned, as I'm late to this trhead.

But please recall the msm attempts at making an issue of someone in one of Sarah Palin's ralleys shouting 'Kill him' when she spoke of B0.

I think McCain did the right hting - he cannot be seen or heard to be racially abusive.
Just imagine if he'd agreed in any form - like nudge-nidge, wink-wink - to that lady in red who said she's scared of B0 because he's an Arab.

He knows the msm are pushing B0 exclusively, he knows that anything coming from his campaign is labelled 'racist' where it criticised B0.

What is he to do?
I think he handled this very well - the msm would ahve damned him, no matter what!

I have read a report that only one journalist had reported that story about someone yelling "kill him" and that not a single other story was seen or heard about it...
Makes one wonder if in fact it ever really happened...
Franlky, I have my doubts...

536 yma o hyd  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:56:13am

re: #535 Strike Hornet

I have read a report that only one journalist had reported that story about someone yelling "kill him" and that not a single other story was seen or heard about it...
Makes one wonder if in fact it ever really happened...
Franlky, I have my doubts...

Sure - but regardless - it did find its way into one national paper.
Thats the point: B0 can hang out with terrorists and can send over a large amount of money to an organisation involved in voter fraud, he can get contributions from people signing 'qwerty', he doesn't have to disclose anything about himself: the msm simply don't care, and if it comes up, they brush it off.

Whereas anything said by McCain and Palin is checked and double checked and spun into smears and slurs.
How about insinuating that Palin criticising B0 is racist?

I think its time for all you American voters here not just to fight and blog, but to write to the msm, the more the better, and demand that they write and report the truth about B0.

Wailing on blogs doesn't cut it!

(Sorry - I'm not getting at all you volunteers here - you're brilliant!)

537 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:08:05am

McCain did the right thing here, although I do wish he could have worded it better. I will cut him slack, however, because this was off the cuff.

Yes- he did the right thing. I know we're angry- I'm angry too. We see these progressives trying to steal this election and undermine America, and it's infuriating.

But this is not the image that will woo moderates we need to win.

We are the choir- he doesn't need to preach to us. But to have the choir behind him looking like a bunch of angry race baiters is a losing scenario.

538 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:13:03am

Good Lord- the more I read of this thread, the more mind boggling I find it.

Are some of you people actually upset that McCain did not pander to this woman in red's racism?!

You really want McCain to pander to racists?!

Fuck that- I'm glad he didn't and I'm more excited to vote for him than I was before because of it.

539 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:15:18am

re: #437 Biff

John McCain should have answered, "You should be scared of Obama."

Now that is a sound bite.

You are an idiot!

540 ashan  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:16:20am

McCain was dead wrong on this. Of course we have to be afraid, very afraid, of an Obama presidency. Anyone who thinks otherwise is simply not considering the consequences. You have to ask yourself 4 questions:
1. Can you entrust BHO with our state secrets and security?
2. Can you envision him as Commander and Chief?
3. Can you trust him to safeguard the Constitution and the Bill of Rights?
4. Can you imagine BHO living in the White House? (Will he have the flag removed? Will his "guests" deface the historical paintings and furniture?)

I think not on all 4.

McCain is choking off his last chance to win the presidency. The was hero has to fight for victory as he never fought before. His performance on Wednesday night will have to be a fearless ace in the hole. I worry that he may be incapable of pulling it off. This will spell a terrible disaster for the nation from which we may never recover.

541 ashan  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:23:43am

re: #538 Sharmuta

Good Lord- the more I read of this thread, the more mind boggling I find it.

Are some of you people actually upset that McCain did not pander to this woman in red's racism?!

You really want McCain to pander to racists?!

Fuck that- I'm glad he didn't and I'm more excited to vote for him than I was before because of it.

McCain could have just said that there's no place for those kind of insults against his opponent. He didn't have to say that there's nothing to fear about a BHO presidency. It contradicts his endorsed campaign ads and the effort to connect the dots between BHO and his terror-supporting, anti-American fellow travelers. It also made McCain sound as if he's giving up. As I said above, there's plenty to fear in an Obama presidency.

542 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:34:22am

re: #541 ashan

As I said above, there's plenty to fear in an Obama presidency.

Don't talk down to me as though I'm ignorant of the risk 0bama poses to me, my family and my country.

However- what I think you and other need to understand here is that we are not the voters John McCain is trying to please at the moment. If we are as scared as everyone says we are of an 0bama presidency, then we're obviously going to be voting for McCain.

What McCain did today was keep the msm off his back, off our back and not allow him or us to be painted all weekend as a bunch of racist fear mongers by the 0bama team and msm.

If you can't see how that image (played out all weekend long) would damage McCain in the eyes of people he's really trying to convince to vote for him, then I don't know what to say to you.

Did I like his comments- not really. But I understand why he said them and looking at the bigger picture I think he did the right thing not pandering to racism and fear mongering. It's a losing strategy every time.

543 warlord  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:01:03am

I am getting a little tired of all you chicken shit wimps saying if Obama gets in the Republic is finished.

Where are your balls, we are obligated to overthrow that same government. The Declaration of Independence mandates it.

If you are going to tell me that all you cowards will let it happen.
Do me a favor and stand in front of my rifle so you can protect Obama and shield the Marxists and traitors from my aim.

Paper tiger is right. More than 60 million guns and all I hear is weeping and whining.

This is an opportunity to get it right and straighten it out.
ALL WE NEED IS THE COURAGE.

If you want my address and some ammo let me know .

I cannot believe some of you cowards. The enemy has infiltrated our electoral process, you fail to see it. Then we are letting it happen and are preparing to surrender. Pathetic.

544 Jaydee  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:26:51am

Fgs, what is it with some of you folk. Of course those who are disappointed with McC should still vote for him. No one can afford to let Obama in the Whitehouse. It would be a fool who decides not to vote for McCain, just because of his badly chosen reaction. I don't believe the majority who have vented about McCain are saying they are not voting for McC.

If McCain has pissed off people with his reaction, so be it, they are entitled to air their views on here, but that does not mean they are going to go rushing off to the ballot box to vote for O. Anyone who cares about their country, should vote for McC. anyone with half a brain knows that, if they know anything about O at all. But there is no reason to be so damn downright rude to fellow posters.

If you want to lambast others, then why not put some of your energy into the ebay.com boards for a few days leading up to the election. Posters there are spamming the ebay.com chat oards with lies about the Repubs and McCain, and hundreds of posters there are soaking up the swill posted - some read no further than that chatboard and know no better. Your wisdom, truth and encouragement there would be a breath of fresh air, instead of preaching to the already converted on this thread - people visiting this website know that Obama is a huge danger to the USA and all who sail in her, but some on ebay could do with being wised up by the truth tellers!

Jeez, you could still board hop.

The Ebay Town Square
The Soapbox

545 MrC_5150  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 5:34:24am

I thought Phyllis Diller was dead.

546 johncharles  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 5:39:35am

R.O.M.A.

547 Blackacre  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 5:56:18am

re: #541 ashan

McCain could have just said that there's no place for those kind of insults against his opponent. He didn't have to say that there's nothing to fear about a BHO presidency.

Precisely.

548 Duane  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 7:19:30am

did the dems infiltrate every GOP candidates' campaign staff? Rudy forgot to show up, McCain is too nice to his opponents, Huckster helped defeat Romney...guess I'll just have to hope the GOP gets its ass in gear for the 2010 congressional elections

549 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 7:39:16am

The fix is in. The GOP is throwing the election.

It's time for a viable 3rd party to take back America's government.

550 kawfytawk  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 7:43:49am

Ha! Finally got my first ding and it is 8 negs....wooohooo must be doing something right!

I am pissed off and menopausal and lost a butt load on my 401k....don't screw with me today.

551 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 8:24:33am

Thank you, tfk- your dings really mean a lot to me.

552 Media_man  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 8:55:37am

McCain is a doddering old fool.

Of course we should be scared of an Obama Presidency. The stock market is certainly scared.

McCain should step down & hand the nomination to Mitt.

553 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 9:26:44am

re: #552 Media_man

McCain is a doddering old fool.

Of course we should be scared of an Obama Presidency. The stock market is certainly scared.

McCain should step down & hand the nomination to Mitt.

I think you're a fool! Stepping down in mid-October would give us the win?! WTF- are you a moby? That is the dumbest idea I've ever heard.

554 rancher  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 9:29:58am

re: #541 ashan

Be afraid, Senator, be very afraid. Bad choice of words, ashan's response would have been better. However McCain had to tread carefully but quickly in responding to what I think was an Obama plant. I only hope those words don't get thrown back in his face by Obama.

Senator McCain says there's nothing to fear from an Obama presidency and I thank him for his endorsement. I feel however that I can't say the same for a McCain presidency. you need to be afraid because McCain will...yada, yada, yada.

555 rancher  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 9:36:00am

re: #550 kawfytawk

...and lost a butt load on my 401k....

Only if you sold.

You didn't did you?

556 boofar  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 9:40:49am

This is the McCain that I like. A good decent man that isn't blinded by power and has his morals and ethics in front of him.

McCain > Obama as president any day, but this is monumental when it comes to not disparaging your opponent on half-truths and lies.

557 boofar  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 9:47:16am

re: #322 Killgore Trout

I gave you a plus for courage. At Dkos they would have deleted diaries and banned people for deviating from prescribed talking points.

So true...

558 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 10:06:55am

Sarah Palin gave me hope that a woman from a working class background with integrity could make it big in politics.

I'm not so sure anymore after this thread.

559 blueboy  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 10:20:40am

Sharmuta - no-one from a working class background who has any integrity will ever achive high office. Is there anyone in the MSM from a workingclass background with any integrity? Course not.

Palin is getting all kinds of cr*p thrown at her by the british media too, but they're from the same liberal elitist mode as their US counterparts.
Personally I think she rocks. How about Palin for President and Romney/Giuliani/Huckerbee for veep now that McCain seems to have lost the plot and thrown the towel in? That would be some october surprise.

560 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 10:35:04am

re: #559 blueboy

You just said Sarah can't win so what good is flipping the ticket?

561 littleO  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 10:43:57am

Any chance of getting the last word on this post?

Any chance of dumping Mccain and nominating Romney? He could (romney) still win!

562 Forever  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 10:53:25am

Romney could still win? Don't make me laugh while its a fckn sad time.

I am reading the most ridiculous things on here right now.

563 Knuckles  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:03:44am

Does anyone know how to get a refund for all the McCain campaign donations I've made? This is the first time in my life I've supported a candidate with cash?

I feel cheated and I'm pissed.

I want my money back and I want my phone to stop ringing.

564 snowcrash  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:26:42am

I am going to go back and ding down all the foolish whiny baby comments. That is my explanation for how really funny this will look on the SPY.

565 littleO  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:28:31am

Forever: So You think McCain can win? It will only happen through divine intervention!

But, I do believe in divine things. I don't,however, believe McC has done anything to deserve it.

566 Mr. Sandman  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:35:05am

It is a strange video. I have to wonder if the Secret Service had a little visit with McCain about his dangerous rhetoric and insinuations, inciting members of his idiot-rallies to yell things like "terrorist" and "kill him" when Obama's name was raised. Especially given the fact that just hours before the McCain campaign was putting statements defending this sort of extreme, volatile behavior from his hordes, so we can conclude from that that McCain did not want to try to pull his rally supporters back into basic civility, but was pushed to. Likely, we're still going to hear about more extreme McCain supporter behavior, and McCain/Palin will still try to toe the line of trying to covertly encourage such hate and fear of Obama, and overstep the line a number of more times.

567 reddevil  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:35:37am

Somebody help me out here, what's really going on? is McCain done? or is the really just "Walk softly and carry a big stick"?
I'm broken hearted here, I served under Reagan when the country flourished ,but now I'm watching my stocks plummet, A socialist is about to run the country, were bailing out a bunch of losers who shouldn't have gotten home loans, my business is drying out on the vine and house prices are in the toilet, WTF is going on?

568 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:39:27am

re: #567 reddevil

Many have decided integrity is a liability- that's what's going on here.

569 littleO  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:49:43am

re#568 Sharmuta:
I don't think people are condoning nitwit behavior. But, JC, McC could have adressed the issue in many different ways. I could easily attack someone while including a secondary message to the crowd.

'Mark Anthony' did in 'Julius Ceasar' !

570 kawfytawk  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:03:09pm

re: #568 Sharmuta

I have never questioned McCains' integrity but I sure as heck don't have to like the door mat position he has taken as a gesture in polite politics.

571 Fierce Guppy  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:22:37pm

Isn't McCain supposed to make his concession speech ~after~ he loses the election?

572 judithet  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:05:02pm

My husband was getting ready to send a check to the McCain campaign. He tore it up. He said that if McCain was already conceding the election he wasn't going to waste any money on him.
People are so angry. Channeling that anger, getting rip roarin' mad would calm people down. If we have someone losing his temper for us we don't have to lose our tempers.
John, do not go gentle into that good night!

573 Challenger  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:07:11pm

YES, you do. He is the Manchurian candidate of the little "c" communists.

574 Anatar  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:17:06pm

I'm not willing to criticize McCain for the responses he made in this video- he was put in a hard spot, and had he said the wrong thing the media would have jumped all over him ("racist", "fearmonger", etc). I don't fault him for taking the high road here. He did the right thing for the right reasons.

To be honest, it seems like many folks are upset with him because he isn't fighting hard enough. In my mind, the most we can ask of someone running for POTUS is to show his/her character, explain relevant qualifications and background, and put forth a vision for the future. He has done these things. The rest is up to the American PEOPLE themselves.

All McCain can do is put out the message, and he has been doing just that- the problem is us and who we have become as a people. It is beyond his power to bestow intelligence and common sense on the American people.

If Obama is elected, we deserve exactly what we'll get.

575 LemonJoose  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:36:35pm

I for one admire McCain for not wanting to sink to the level of encouraging and supporting outright ignorance of the type exhibited by the lady in red.

We should be worried about Obama because of his weak foreign policy stance, inexperience, poor judgement in selecting his associates, and his far left views. Obama, with the help of the mainstream media, has also tried to hide and minimize his history of associations with radical leftists.

However, McCain clearly had to draw the line when confronted with the lady in red who stood up to express the not-very-well-thought-out view that "I'm afraid of Obama because he's an Arab." If McCain didn't correct her, it would be like if Obama didn't correct one of his supporters who stood up at a rally and said something like "I'm afraid of John McCain because he's White." Associating your campaign with ignorance is a sure way to lose an election, and so McCain had to correct her.

McCain probably went too far when responding to the guy who simply said he was afraid of Obama becoming President. McCain was obviously trying to make it clear that he doesn't support people buying into whack-job conspiracy theories that Obama is actually a terrorist himself, etc. But the sound bite that McCain produced for the MSM to exploit was unfortunate.

However, even more unfortunate is the fact that McCain has to police the ranks to disassociate his campaign from ignorant views that border on something that Democrats will surely seize upon and start calling "Obama Derangement Syndrome."

576 Daisy  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:39:09pm

McCain unfortunately, w/ his whacked out people pleasing behavior, manages to make it appear that he's afraid - afraid that the Conservative audience behind him is probably a bunch of racists. It's incredible. Who in God's name is the man listening to?

577 Daisy  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:41:01pm

McCain is behaving like an arrogant doormat.

578 Forever  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:50:01pm

I don't know what bothers me more, that Obama is likely to be going elected or that people who support Conservatives don't get the picture in McCains remarks.

What he says is correct, the tone & voice in which he says it should be different. However, this is not a reason to get upset at him.

I am convinced McCain responded in the right way to pull-over the INDEPENDENTS to his side, who he will need in order to win these damned elections!

If this all fails, I am opting for a serious 3rd party, that will weaken the dems (as in attracting voters from their camp).

579 Born_to_lose  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 5:36:12pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

Wow, thank you for clearing up what the lady said. I have been out and about all day, and was soo friggin' busy yesterday, didn't have time to really pay attention to the media nonsense. Anyway, when I first heard this today, I THOUGHT she was calling Obama an airhead, not an arab....I am an idiot on occasion, I will admit it....sheesh... ::smacks forehead::

580 martdod  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 8:08:12pm

John McCain has a glorious opportunity right now at this time in the history of our country to take the ball and run. There are people begging him to just stand up and grow a pair. At this particular point in our history I believe we are at a cross road, we are looking for an honest leader to stand up to the Progressive Liberal Socialists and say enough is enough. John McCain could be that man, but I feel he really doesn't care.... after all he still has a job if he looses. He can just carry on with his little charade that he is a "maverick", as the one carrying on with the good fight.

There are definite reasons to be frightened of Obama becoming POTUS and I feel John McCain should talk about them. I personally believe Obama is probably a closet Muslim with ties to terrorist organizations, is defiantly a racist, and has ties to some very shady criminal characters ( Ayers, Soros, Rezko, etc, etc.)

It's time for McCain to stand up and fight!

581 Angleton  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 8:26:40pm

McCain finally have a "wedge issue" to campaign with and he... scraps the whole thing...

If McCain think that he can win this election by saying that can make compromise with the democrats, he is incredibly naive.

582 Jimmah  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 9:29:51pm

re: #538 Sharmuta

Good Lord- the more I read of this thread, the more mind boggling I find it.

Are some of you people actually upset that McCain did not pander to this woman in red's racism?!

You really want McCain to pander to racists?!

Fuck that- I'm glad he didn't and I'm more excited to vote for him than I was before because of it.

Yep. As if he should have said "I understand your concerns lady"! McCain could not and should not have responded otherwise, given what he had to address.

583 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 9:32:13pm

re: #582 Jimmah

I'm glad he did not give our political enemies a club with which to beat us, because that's what it would have been to tell this woman she (and the rest of us) should be afraid.

584 Jimmah  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 9:44:31pm

re: #583 Sharmuta

It's an element of republican support - the one that created this scene that's come out of this looking bad as far as the wider public is concerned, not McCain. Moderate voters should be reassured by both McCains decency and his ability to resist pandering to that element, but they will also be repelled by the ignorance of those republicans, so it's hard to say if this is a plus or a minus overall. He sure needs some big plusses soon though...

585 onlyNYneocon  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 10:28:41pm

I live in NYC, but am visiting my wives family this week in minnesota. I attended the McCain town hall yesterday. I was the one who started booing after he tried to reassure the crowd not to be afraid of BHO. The frustration among the crowd was palpable. Finally he said "I get it". Just like he did over amnesty. He was told he had to fight for us. I'm not convinced, but I'm hopeful. We will have our answer Wednesday evening.

Randy

586 Drake_Vandenberg  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 7:46:27am

re: #585 onlyNYneocon

//visiting my wives family//

I usually despise people who spell check others but you might wanna be careful to use the right spelling when referring to your "wife's" family. People might get the wrong idea when you talk about your "wives". ;)

Just a little "oopsie" that I'd want pointed out to me.

587 shai  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 8:53:24am

Anyone else find this hilarious?

Lady: He's an Arab
Mccain: No, no, he's a decent person.

Hahahahahhahahhahah

Seriously? Noone else caught that? Lol!


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