McCain: 'You Do Not Have To Be Scared' of Obama As President
Politics | Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 5:34:03 pm PDT
Way to go, John. Talking Points Memo jumped all over this one.
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Politics | Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 5:34:03 pm PDT
Way to go, John. Talking Points Memo jumped all over this one.
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kyle_st Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:35:17pm |
He's just admitting the obvious. His campaign is over, and he knows it. His advisers and pollsters have likely been telling him that for 2 weeks or so.
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cblesz Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:36:45pm |
When is he gonna take his balls out of the jar on the mantle?
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spypeach Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:36:52pm |
I heard this earlier, I was hoping nobody would notice...
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FinallyHere Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:37:04pm |
Now McCain will share the blame for all harm that happens to this country when Obama is a President.
first time he did not put Country First, but his desire to be loved by MSM.
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Fat Jolly Penguin Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:37:11pm |
*smack* Snap out of it, John! Don't give it up now! We need you!
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ibmkeyboard Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:37:44pm |
I feel it is a sad day for all veterans.
Especially those of us that served in Vietnam.
I thought we finally had found a fighter,
a man that would stand up to socialism.
/shit
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Fat Jolly Penguin Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:38:08pm |
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kingkenrod Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:38:08pm |
Seems like an awfully short clip. What's the context?
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ready Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:38:27pm |
Sad Sad. I would say Bob Dole II but that would be disrespectful of Bob Dole.
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Charles Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:38:44pm |
I don't think he's losing his nerve as much he's way, WAY, WAAAY too concerned with looking fair.
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goddessoftheclassroom Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:38:47pm |
re: #16 ready
Sad Sad. I would say Bob Dole II but that would be disrespectful of Bob Dole.
OMG--I was just thinking the same thing.
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Teacake! Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:38:54pm |
there's nothing about obama that doesn't scare me, wtf?
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Colonel Panik Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:39:53pm |
I think I am going to go cling to my FN-FAL.
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Teacake! Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:39:57pm |
or could just be a smart and subtle move to prove he isn't saying to be afraid of him as he claims so often?
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The Shadow Do Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:40:05pm |
Smacks of a concession speech. Not very inspirational I think, but then I am not a candidate or campaign manager so what do I know.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:40:10pm |
re: #5 Charles
Dude, check out the clip in context....
McCain booed after telling crowd to be respectful to Obama
Check out the lady in red just before the money quote from McCain, "I can't trust him. I've read about him. He's an arab."
I'm among the first to critisize McCain here but he's scolding his audience for being uninformed and stupid. They put him in a tough spot. McCain supporters are doing a lot of damage. It wasn't that long ago that was a left wing phenomenon. The right has it now too. We have serious problems.
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spypeach Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:40:47pm |
AP reporting Sarah Palin guilty of abusing her power.
McCain camp saying it was politcally motivated. Here comes 24/7 coverage of this non issue.
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Jack Reacher Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:40:55pm |
re: #17 Charles
What a bizarre campaign, when one candidate is overly concerned with looking "fair," and the Legacy Media couldn't care less about fairness.
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Cartman Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:41:06pm |
It's stuff like this that makes campaigning for the man all the more difficult. But, I will trudge on. If it weren't for Palin, I doubt I would have volunteered.
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patrickafir Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:41:11pm |
Ingratiation unto defeat. And now everyone's going to be jumping all over the Palin abuse of power ruling. This entire spectacle has really become depressing.
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LGoPs Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:41:13pm |
This reminds me of the old joke describing the outcome of a fight as:
First I punched him in the fist with my nose
Then I got him in the elbow with my stomach
Then I finished him off with a groin to the knee
Sheesh......!
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kynna Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:41:13pm |
This is why senators are terrible presidents and shouldn't even be considered.
And why I'm voting for Palin.
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Charles Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:41:16pm |
He said it because he's concerned about the recent spin that his speeches are "dangerous."
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cblesz Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:41:24pm |
re: #25 spypeach
AP reporting Sarah Palin guilty of abusing her power.
McCain camp saying it was politcally motivated. Here comes 24/7 coverage of this non issue.
I know. What a freaking joke. Here we go...forget about ayers, et al...
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Noam Sayin' Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:41:43pm |
re: #17 Charles
I'd have to agree with that.
Let's hope Sarah pulls him to the back of the plane over the weekend and smacks some sense into him.
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FinallyHere Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:41:52pm |
re: #16 ready
I agree. Bob Dole fought. McCain fought against Romney and Giuliani who would be great Presidents. At that time he did not think how "clean" was his campaign against those men. And now when he is supposed to fight against Chicago thug, he suddenly wants to be clean. I think this is a betrayal of his party, of his supporters, and what is most important, of his country.
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stevieray Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:41:58pm |
This is what happens when we let the country club "compassionate" conservatives control the republican party.
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Karridine Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:42:01pm |
Fairness, John, ofttimes requires COURAGE!
It is FAIR to enumerate Obama's shady friends, unprincipled character and socialist ideals!
ATTACK, John, in all fairness ATTACK!
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nyc redneck Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:42:19pm |
mccain always tries to be fair.
now is NOT the time to be THAT fair.
let obama prove that he is qualified.
why do it for him?
let him do the work.
and frankly, he won't be able to do it.
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Charles Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:42:24pm |
re: #24 Killgore Trout
The right has it now too. We have serious problems.
Ahem. Been trying to politely mention that for a little while now.
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calcajun Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:42:31pm |
You do not have to fear the Nazi liberators!
The Soviets will be nice to us.
Pol Pot has some good ideas!
Castro will be a friend to us.
Chairman Mao will lead the way!
Anyone getting a sick sense that history will repeat itself.
Good thing I started drinking on another thread.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:42:43pm |
re: #31 Charles
See #42. The lady in red put him in a really tough spot.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:42:50pm |
As bad as this "gaffe" is, I'm still voting for McCain, for the lifetime appointment Judicial picks, if nothing else.
/Obama could still implode, or be indicted, or maybe some other miracle will intervene
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PaxAmericana Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:43:02pm |
I've said it weeks ago and I'll say it again. John McCain is running to lose. I don't think he wants to be president.
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LGoPs Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:43:07pm |
We need to start following the advice of that great philosopher, Harvey Logan, who said "There ain't no rules in a knife fight"
I'm afraid the lesson is lost on John......regrettably
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Racer X Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:43:25pm |
re: #17 Charles
I don't think he's losing his nerve as much he's way, WAY, WAAAY too concerned with looking fair.
I sure hope this is his tactic of looking fair and smiling while he kicks ass and takes names.
"Fight with me".
Lead the way John, lead they way.
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Karridine Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:43:39pm |
Well, John's speeches ARE dangerous, to socialist thug-wannabees!
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:43:41pm |
O/T-
Report: Palin abused authority
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS | 10/10/08 8:26 PM EDT
A legislative committee investigating Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has found she unlawfully abused her authority in firing the state's public safety commissioner.
The investigative report concludes that a family grudge wasn't the sole reason for firing Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan but says it likely was a contributing factor.
The Republican vice presidential nominee has been accused of firing a commissioner to settle a family dispute. Palin supporters have called the investigation politically motivated.
Monegan says he was dismissed as retribution for resisting pressure to fire a state trooper involved in a bitter divorce with the governor's sister. Palin says Monegan was fired as part of a legitimate budget dispute.
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kingkenrod Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:43:51pm |
re: #24 Killgore Trout
Dude, check out the clip in context....
McCain booed after telling crowd to be respectful to Obama
Check out the lady in red just before the money quote from McCain, "I can't trust him. I've read about him. He's an arab."
I'm among the first to critisize McCain here but he's scolding his audience for being uninformed and stupid. They put him in a tough spot. McCain supporters are doing a lot of damage. It wasn't that long ago that was a left wing phenomenon. The right has it now too. We have serious problems.
Bill Clinton is the master at handling stuff like this...he would say something like "I heard that too, but I don't believe it.". A non-denial denial.
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ibmkeyboard Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:44:08pm |
re: #31 Charles
He said it because he's concerned about the recent spin that his speeches are "dangerous."
dangerous for him?
dangerous for us?
Does John think we really might have a civil war?
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:44:10pm |
re: #41 Killian Bundy
Don't hold your breath. I'm getting ready to revise my election prediction for a McCain loss to an Obama landslide. The wheels are coming off.
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patrickafir Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:44:11pm |
re: #42 PaxAmericana
I've said it weeks ago and I'll say it again. John McCain is running to lose. I don't think he wants to be president.
I know, huh? It's maddening.
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Age Of Freedom Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:44:35pm |
re: #24 Killgore Trout
Dude, check out the clip in context....
McCain booed after telling crowd to be respectful to Obama
Check out the lady in red just before the money quote from McCain, "I can't trust him. I've read about him. He's an arab."
I'm among the first to critisize McCain here but he's scolding his audience for being uninformed and stupid. They put him in a tough spot. McCain supporters are doing a lot of damage. It wasn't that long ago that was a left wing phenomenon. The right has it now too. We have serious problems.
But the left wing media misquoted him. Talking Points Memo is the fire starter.
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Cartman Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:44:50pm |
re: #31 Charles
He said it because he's concerned about the recent spin that his speeches are "dangerous."
He's not a stupid man. He knows the left, backed fully by the media is perfectly capable of complete character assassination.
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Teacake! Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:45:06pm |
well he did say in the debate to speak softly and carry a big stick, lets hope that is the case here. lol
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godfrey Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:45:25pm |
HotAir has much fuller video, more interaction.
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guzziguy Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:45:42pm |
If this SOB didn't want the job why did he run for it? He could have just gotten the hell out of the way and let one of the other candidates who would actually fight for us run.
Asshole.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:45:47pm |
re: #15 kingkenrod
Seems like an awfully short clip. What's the context?
The crowd was angrily badgering him to take the gloves off and get after Obama.
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DistantThunder Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:45:57pm |
re: #24 Killgore Trout
Dude, check out the clip in context....
McCain booed after telling crowd to be respectful to Obama
Check out the lady in red just before the money quote from McCain, "I can't trust him. I've read about him. He's an arab."
I'm among the first to critisize McCain here but he's scolding his audience for being uninformed and stupid. They put him in a tough spot. McCain supporters are doing a lot of damage. It wasn't that long ago that was a left wing phenomenon. The right has it now too. We have serious problems.
I thought he officially is 3/8's arab and 1/8th black + 1/2 white
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:46:17pm |
re: #47 Charles
I guess it's one of the risks he takes with these town hall meetings with unscripted questions. He could have handled it better but the audience was participating in his downfall.
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calcajun Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:46:26pm |
re: #24 Killgore Trout
Dude, check out the clip in context....
McCain booed after telling crowd to be respectful to Obama
Check out the lady in red just before the money quote from McCain, "I can't trust him. I've read about him. He's an arab."
I'm among the first to critisize McCain here but he's scolding his audience for being uninformed and stupid. They put him in a tough spot. McCain supporters are doing a lot of damage. It wasn't that long ago that was a left wing phenomenon. The right has it now too. We have serious problems.
This sounds a lot like why Chris Buckley is endorsing Obama. The mouth breathers and red necks from the old south Dems have come over to the GOP, turning us into a bunch of know-nothing anti-intellectuals. I agree whole-heartedly that people need to be taught. But the man cannot say "do not fear" BHO as president --that sounds, no matter how you parse it--defeatist.
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eon Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:46:59pm |
re: #25 spypeach
AP reporting Sarah Palin guilty of abusing her power.
McCain camp saying it was politcally motivated. Here comes 24/7 coverage of this non issue.
Anybody want to bet that the (Democratic-controlled) Alaska legislature's next move will be an attempted impeachment?
(With the help of the GOP "old boys'" network up there that she's been kicking in the a$$ for the last decade)
/no chance of it going anywhere before the election, but...........
cheers
eon
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jetprop Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:47:15pm |
Sheez..
Mac should have said, I understand your frustration..we're working the problem..blah..blah..let's stay calm...blah..blah..
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DeepThroat Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:47:22pm |
Isn't this treason?
Why isn't Obama being charged?
[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]
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Noam Sayin' Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:47:23pm |
Still voting for him.
I also hold steady confidence that those of us in the center, who may lean right or left depending on the situation, are as turned off of Obama as I am.
But the Republicans need to run a real conservative in 2012.
This ship is listing too hard a'port.
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Teacake! Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:47:30pm |
is she is saying his being arab scares here he didn't really have any other option than to be diplomatic.
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jamgarr Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:48:33pm |
re: #71 Teacake!
is she is saying his being arab scares here he didn't really have any other option than to be diplomatic.
These days you also have the obligation not to create harmful soundbites
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godfrey Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:48:39pm |
Now that McCain has said this, how is his campaign going to make the Ayers and other associations stick?
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Charles Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:49:13pm |
Is it too late for Sarah Palin and John McCain to switch places?
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Fat Jolly Penguin Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:49:25pm |
How to Run a Presidential Campaign
by Bob Dole
1. Open mouth
2. Insert footAddendum 2008.10.10 John S. McCain
3. Chew vigorously
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Taqiyyotomist Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:49:26pm |
re: #9 Cartman
John, we hardly knew ye.
BS. We knew him for years. We have always known that John McCain would only always do what was good for the Democrat party. I don't know why any sane person with any memory whatsoever could have forgotten this essential characteristic of Sen. McCain. Why did anyone think that this time would be different, that he would not be working for the same goal he has always worked for, the defeat of Republicans and the support of Democrats.
I've said from the nomination that this man doesn't want to win. Each day's events, each commercial, each debate, each interview, so far, has served to strengthen that belief.
John McCain is pretending to run for president. He's on Obama's team.
Good grief the man even has ties to Soros, and his own McCain/Feingold has miraculously enabled Obama to raise Half A Billion dollars, half of which came from anonymous overseas donors.
I generally have severe distaste for conspiracy theories, but I think its possible that McCain was selected by the Kingmakers and the D's version of Operation Chaos, precisely because they all knew he would work for the Democrat ticket, while pretending to run. This whole election may just be a sham. Like I said, he even has ties to Soros (Owner-Democrat Party). Google is a fun tool.
Like the time I google-images-ed "Rezko Clinton" and got a few thousand interesting pics that somehow the media never saw.
Google "McCain Soros"
Hey, Communism/Socialism will be fun! It'll be a change! And there ain't squat we can do about it, if my gut feeling about this whole farce is true.
-Taq
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BakaRanger Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:49:38pm |
McCain: 'You Do Not Have To Be Scared' of Obama As President
...But be terrified!
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Outrider Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:49:43pm |
re: #17 Charles
I don't think he's losing his nerve as much he's way, WAY, WAAAY too concerned with looking fair.
As I said in the last thread: He is old school-polite and bipartisan. He is too much the Navy pilot when he needs to be Army Infantryman.
He is fighting a civilized campaign against barbarians who will perceive any politeness or consideration as a weakness to be exploited.
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Ojoe Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:49:46pm |
0bama:
'The muslim call to prayer at evening is one of the most beautiful sounds on the planet.'
"My muslim faith"
Where are you coming from John?
At least shut up about this.
GAAAAAAH !
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right_on_target Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:49:50pm |
I type too slow, this was in the last thread but should be here instead.
During the 2003 Louisiana gubernatorial election Bobby Jindal ran a "clean" election where he refused to attack the character or failings of his opponent, Kathleen Blanco. All the while there were insane accusations leveled at Jindal by the Democrats. These ranged from being a "foreigner", an "Arab", an "evil Washington bureaucrat who robbed old people of medical benefits", and a slew of other insults.
Bobby Jindal took the high road in 2003 and lost to Blanco. Two years later during Katrina Louisiana voters saw what kind of governor they elected. A deer in the headlights.
McCain's election strategy seems to be doing the same. My fingers are crossed for McCain/Palin to win.
If Obama gets elected and a MAJOR crisis occurs he'll waffle just like Blanco did in her major crisis. Remember, the nuclear football is ALWAYS close by the POTUS.
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FrogMarch Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:50:00pm |
re: #17 Charles
I don't think he's losing his nerve as much he's way, WAY, WAAAY too concerned with looking fair.
I think so too. He's just too nice.
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Teacake! Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:50:40pm |
this is indeed the strangest election process of all time
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BignJames Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:50:42pm |
re: #66 calcajun
This sounds a lot like why Chris Buckley is endorsing Obama. The mouth breathers and red necks from the old south Dems have come over to the GOP, turning us into a bunch of know-nothing anti-intellectuals. I agree whole-heartedly that people need to be taught. But the man cannot say "do not fear" BHO as president --that sounds, no matter how you parse it--defeatist.
This was in Minn. Correct?
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Colonel Panik Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:50:48pm |
I saw a thread on FR today that warned about "astroturfers" infiltrating McCain/Palin rallies to make outrageous statements and make the GOP look bad.
Maybe McCain is aware of this and trying to preempt it.
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Colonel Panik Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:50:48pm |
I saw a thread on FR today that warned about "astroturfers" infiltrating McCain/Palin rallies to make outrageous statements and make the GOP look bad.
Maybe McCain is aware of this and trying to preempt it.
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JacksonTn Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:50:52pm |
re: #1 kyle_st
He's just admitting the obvious. His campaign is over, and he knows it. His advisers and pollsters have likely been telling him that for 2 weeks or so.
Your GAZA supervisor says your trolling shift is over .....you can go home now ....ass
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FrogMarch Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:50:54pm |
re: #24 Killgore Trout
Dude, check out the clip in context....
McCain booed after telling crowd to be respectful to Obama
Check out the lady in red just before the money quote from McCain, "I can't trust him. I've read about him. He's an arab."
I'm among the first to critisize McCain here but he's scolding his audience for being uninformed and stupid. They put him in a tough spot. McCain supporters are doing a lot of damage. It wasn't that long ago that was a left wing phenomenon. The right has it now too. We have serious problems.
or again - it could be a plant.
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patrickafir Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:50:54pm |
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:51:24pm |
What a week to give up drinking (for a while).
If I start drinking, my gout will stop going away; alcohol and indomethacin are not good together (not real bad, but not good).
I made it through Yom Kippur; gout eased enough to make it (but I did have water; if I didn't, the gout would have really come back).
Couldn't even avoid the people talking about the market outside of services.
McCain turns into a wimp.
Got laid off and still haven't paid the debts from the last time, 5 years ago.
(Content delivery networks are having a hard time right now, apparently.)
If 0bama gets elected, the economy will get worse. but at least they'll feed me in the re-education camps (/sarc)
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MandyManners Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:51:36pm |
Sen. McCain, BHO SCARES THE SHIT OUTTA' ME. He's a freakin' commie who plans on fucking up this nation six ways from Sunday.
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Fat Jolly Penguin Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:51:47pm |
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DistantThunder Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:51:48pm |
Mitt Romney would never have said this..Does anyone else miss Mitt as much as I do?
Let's all give a Bronx cheer to Huckabee for splitting the vote so that McCain -most people's 2nd or 3rd choice would win the nomination.
Sarah - save us from this terrorist-tolerating, America-hating, vote-fraud encouraging, military-despising, former drug-using - socialist, Obama.
This man has been a failure at keeping the people of Chicago safe -and that's just from stupid street thugs. What hope is there that he can keep our country safe?
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ibmkeyboard Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:52:17pm |
He was condemned for his 700 b bailout,
his 300 b home owner bailout.
What the piss will Obama do?
America First?
Tax us First,
then we are left with CHANGE.
sorry,
I am becoming erratic.
/later.
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mrsnuggles Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:52:17pm |
Yes, we have no reason to be afraid of socialism or a "global" solution to the economic crisis. This is the reason why the left helped McCain get the republican nomination, because they knew that he would be soft and would not put up the fight that is necessary to save this country from a lying, narcissistic commie.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:52:25pm |
Don't panic people!
I'm still hoping that this is all part of the rope-a-dope strategy prepping for Wednesday. Mac will light into Zero then and go for the kill.
If he doesn't, I'll be here with egg on my face and we will all be royally screwed.
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jwpaine Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:52:40pm |
re: #77 Taqiyyotomist
Hey, Communism/Socialism will be fun! It'll be a change! And there ain't squat we can do about it, if my gut feeling about this whole farce is true.
Well, I suspect there are a few of us who won't go quietly into that particular good night.
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Kreuzueber Halbmond Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:52:49pm |
I've looked at John from both sides now
From repub and dem and still somehow
It's John's delusions I recall
I really don't know John at all.
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Colonel Panik Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:52:51pm |
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looking closely Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:52:52pm |
I don't care what McCain says. . .
Maybe I don't "have to" be scared of Obama as President, but I am anyway.
The guy has been hanging out with thugs and racists for decades, his economic sense is pure Marxist, he's going to raise my taxes, and lose the war in Iraq.
Not good. . .
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Age Of Freedom Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:53:28pm |
McCain didn't do jack. Sorry, I really don't see what's wrong in his answer to someone that's venting about being 'scared' of 0bama.
It's the fomented media that's anally misquoting him to "prove the worst".
Come on Charles, no matter what John will say it can and will be deliberately misquoted, even when he's replying in context - like in this case.
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JacksonTn Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:53:35pm |
He meant .....Obama's presidency of Iran .......
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Racer X Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:53:36pm |
I can understand the disappointment with this video clip. But think about this - the left has been issuing veiled threats lately about what WILL happen if Obama loses. James Carville said there will be riots in the streets.
This is Mac's way of putting everyone on notice he will not tolerate that type of crap in his campaign. WHEN McCain wins he is going to have quite a battle calming down the losers who will be screaming about a stolen election. Hell, he will be lucky to get anything accomplished his first year in office.
But he will win.
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cjstavern Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:53:43pm |
McCain is right, you shouldn't be "scared" you should be "scared shi*less!"
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TheMatrix31 Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:53:44pm |
re: #95 DistantThunder
Mitt Romney would never have said this..Does anyone else miss Mitt as much as I do?
Let's all give a Bronx cheer to Huckabee for splitting the vote so that McCain -most people's 2nd or 3rd choice would win the nomination.
Sarah - save us from this terrorist-tolerating, America-hating, vote-fraud encouraging, military-despising, former drug-using - socialist, Obama.
This man has been a failure at keeping the people of Chicago safe -and that's just from stupid street thugs. What hope is there that he can keep our country safe?
How unbelievable would a Romney/Palin ticket have been? That would have been a "Not Scared of SHIT" ticket. A real straight-talk ticket.
Damn.
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swamprat Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:53:45pm |
re: #48 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
O/T-
Report: Palin abused authority
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS | 10/10/08 8:26 PM EDT
A legislative committee investigating Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has found she unlawfully abused her authority in firing the state's public safety commissioner.The investigative report concludes that a family grudge wasn't the sole reason for firing Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan but says it likely was a contributing factor.
The Republican vice presidential nominee has been accused of firing a commissioner to settle a family dispute. Palin supporters have called the investigation politically motivated.
Monegan says he was dismissed as retribution for resisting pressure to fire a state trooper involved in a bitter divorce with the governor's sister. Palin says Monegan was fired as part of a legitimate budget dispute.
The findings of a legislative committee, combined with $1.85(plus tax), will allow you to purchase a cup of coffee with unlimited refills at most "Denny's" fine restaurants.
/true fact;the best kind
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Charles Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:53:54pm |
Muhammad Ali is the only person in history who has actually pulled off the "rope-a-dope."
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kynna Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:54:03pm |
re: #86 Colonel Panik
I saw a thread on FR today that warned about "astroturfers" infiltrating McCain/Palin rallies to make outrageous statements and make the GOP look bad.
Maybe McCain is aware of this and trying to preempt it.
If this is true then the more outrageous statements should be grounds for detention and questioning. Then find out if astroturfing is going on and shout it to the heavens.
The MSM and the Obama campaign is definitely not averse to supplementing the crowd to get their desired result.
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big L Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:54:06pm |
Remember the open primaries where the Donks voted inthe Republican candidate? This is what we got.
M'Cain doesn't just want to lose he wants to take the country with him. Does this make sense? Why not see hat happens and if you want to go home to Sedona, and miss a few appearances ...so what. Why sink people working hard for you?
I hate all this phony collegiality from the Senate. the ya re the worst candidates. that is why JFK was the last one.
M'Cain just can't attack a fellow Senator. Why go to the debate John. Why not resign from the Senate too.
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HelloDare Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:54:23pm |
You could understand, not agree with, but understand McCain's comment if Obama were acting as magnanimous as McCain. But he isn't. Obama is using every dirty trick. Hiring ACORN, astroturfing -- you name it. I'm afraid McCain is acting the fool. An honest, patriotic fool, but still a complete fool. He's undercutting Palin's attacks on Obama's character. What the hell is he thinking. Gah infinity.
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ibmkeyboard Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:54:30pm |
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Strike Hornet Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:54:40pm |
re: #43 LGoPs
We need to start following the advice of that great philosopher, Harvey Logan, who said "There ain't no rules in a knife fight"
I'm afraid the lesson is lost on John......regrettably
I love that movie...RIP Paul...
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Florida Lady Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:55:03pm |
re: #79 Outrider
As I said in the last thread: He is old school-polite and bipartisan. He is too much the Navy pilot when he needs to be Army Infantryman.
He is fighting a civilized campaign against barbarians who will perceive any politeness or consideration as a weakness to be exploited.
With propr apologies to Navy guys:
My dad always said there must be something bad in the Navy water to produce J F Kennedy (sorry, he couldn't stand him), Carter, Kerry, & McCain . . .
Oh, and my Uncle Ed - which is probably his biggest beef with the Navy.
Of course, Dad was an Army guy.
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cblesz Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:55:04pm |
re: #110 swamprat
Ridiculous...AP needs to read...it says "a family grudge was not the sole reason"...JESUS! I have had about enough!
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eon Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:55:23pm |
re: #48 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
O/T-
Report: Palin abused authority
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS | 10/10/08 8:26 PM EDTThe investigative report concludes that a family grudge wasn't the sole reason for firing Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan but says it likely was a contributing factor.
Monegan says he was dismissed as retribution for resisting pressure to fire a state trooper involved in a bitter divorce with the governor's sister. Palin says Monegan was fired as part of a legitimate budget dispute.
And I say, since the trooper in question used a Taser on a ten-year-old boy, was caught intoxicated on duty at least twice, and apparently discharged his service weapon at his supervisor (after making threats against said supervisor), any LEO I'm familiar with would have had him up in front of IA, then a review board, and out on the street minus badge, gun and uniform so fast his head would still be spinning today.
If Monegan could not grasp the concept of "this loose cannon is a danger to himself and others, and should not be in uniform", he is clearly too stupid to be a Public Safety Commissioner- or anything else.
/I'd expect better reasoning from Krusty the Clown
cheers
eon
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FrogMarch Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:55:32pm |
re: #62 Killian Bundy
The crowd was angrily badgering him to take the gloves off and get after Obama.
there's nothing wrong with saying "I want everyone to be respectful" - but that's all that's needed. Sometimes John needs to remember to just keep it simple.
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Carolyn Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:55:43pm |
McCain thinks Obama will be POTUS.
He is already kissing his ass.
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DistantThunder Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:56:06pm |
re: #93 MandyManners
Sen. McCain, BHO SCARES THE SHIT OUTTA' ME. He's a freakin' commie who plans on fucking up this nation six ways from Sunday.
Me too MAndy! I did not give birth to my children to have them forced to become slaves of the socialist state.
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EE Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:56:22pm |
The Obama thugs send agents provocateurs to McCain rallies to say "Death to Obama!", and to get this response from John McCain, to sweep the rug out from under his campaign.
Just have the creep arrested and investigate who sent him. You don't have to disarm your campaign, Senator.
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FrogMarch Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:56:26pm |
McCain should have said - "he scares me too. I don't believe he's a Muslim, but he is a socialist."
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Colonel Panik Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:56:37pm |
The base is really getting angry with the enemedia. Hannity had some great interviews about this on his radio show yesterday afternoon.
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DeepThroat Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:56:47pm |
McCain should have said, "He scares me too!" and then list the reasons why Obama is dangerous for America.
There's an elephant in the room, McCain is being PC and won't come down hard on a black man.
Meanwhile, Obama commits treason.
[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]
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Arbalest Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:56:48pm |
It really does look like Sen. McCain is trying to wage a fair campaign.
If anyone in the McCain campaign is reading this (and many other threads), you need to pay attention to what you are reading.
Obama just might be an honest man, but he's much too short on experience and well in over his head in basic evil: swindlers, racists, domestic terrorists, incompetents, whackjobs, Brownshirts, etc.
You have to start talking about these things, all of them, loudly and forcefully. Even about Wright.
You have to face the evil and fight it. You've done it before, and this time it's only 26 days.
We can help a lot, but we can't do it for you.
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patrickafir Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:57:13pm |
re: #122 Carolyn
McCain thinks Obama will be POTUS.
He is already kissing his ass.
That's, sadly, how it seems to me lately.
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Intrepid Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:57:31pm |
So let me ask this question: We've seen sixteen plus years of the democrats attacking republicans with no or very little truth on their side. The Clintons pulled it, and the dems pulled it these past eight years with Bush in the WH.
Their MO is lies, lies, lies. And yes, they've been effective with the IQ challenged public and their sycophantic crowd.
Do we really want to jump down into that hole with them? Do we really want to so devalue the election process that we're willing to do anything, anything, to get elected?
Because if we lower ourselves once while saying to ourselves, "it's just this once! We have to do this in order to get elected!", then we will become the very despicable characters we repudiate.
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Abu Al-Poopypants Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:57:38pm |
Maybe he's decided in the past couple of weeks that he doesn't want to be the President while we're trying to climb out of the Barney Frank economy.
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TheMatrix31 Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:57:44pm |
re: #128 Arbalest
It really does look like Sen. McCain is trying to wage a fair campaign.
If anyone in the McCain campaign is reading this (and many other threads), you need to pay attention to what you are reading.
Obama just might be an honest man, but he's much too short on experience and well in over his head in basic evil: swindlers, racists, domestic terrorists, incompetents, whackjobs, Brownshirts, etc.
You have to start talking about these things, all of them, loudly and forcefully. Even about Wright.
You have to face the evil and fight it. You've done it before, and this time it's only 26 days.
We can help a lot, but we can't do it for you.
When youre trying to have a fair campaign and the other side is doing anything but being fair, you're gonna lose. When by being fair, you exclude everything that's fucking WRONG with the guy you're running against, you're gonna lose.
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godfrey Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:58:01pm |
Palin hasn't been bought.
Get her into the VP office, stat.
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DistantThunder Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:58:05pm |
re: #102 looking closely
I don't care what McCain says. . .
Maybe I don't "have to" be scared of Obama as President, but I am anyway.
The guy has been hanging out with thugs and racists for decades, his economic sense is pure Marxist, he's going to raise my taxes, and lose the war in Iraq.
Not good. . .
His friend Odinga - who he campaigned for in Kenya - managed to get 1000 people killed in post election riots that he started to protest his loss - and only 500,000 people were displaced from their homes.
Don't worry. Be happy.
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Metal Man Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:58:16pm |
Does the job of POTUS suck so badly that they both are running to lose it?
BO and McCain appear to be both trying their best to throw this fight.
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nyc redneck Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:58:17pm |
the woman in the red dress put mccain in an awkward spot.
he really had to distance himself from her. i just wish he could have been less positive abt. the grifter.
i bet the dems are putting trouble makers in the audience to act obnoxious, hoping it reflects badly on mccain.
they needs to screen for these scum. especially right now.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:58:21pm |
re: #111 Charles
Muhammad Ali is the only person in history who has actually pulled off the "rope-a-dope."
The wager is made, sir. :-)
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big L Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:58:25pm |
OTOH, check out the site hillbuzz.wordpress.com, iirc
theys ae the disenchanted Hil supporters. They say that the RICO is comin' for Oby and that Hill supporters are urged to support and vote for M'cain. And that the polls are wrong...M'Cain has lots support in the kill-zone states, they have stated.
Hope they are correct...
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calcajun Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:58:38pm |
re: #85 BignJames
This was in Minn. Correct?
red neck is a red neck.
Sorry if I sound slightly biased, but I remember all too well my baptism into Louisiana politics and the mind-set of the electorate in the early 80's. It was Dave Treen vs. the oft-indicted Edwin Edwards. It was well known that Edwards was a crook, but no one wanted to vote for Treen for fear that he could be worse. These weren't blue-collar workers who said this, but my superiors; officers at the bank where I worked. There was no talking to them.
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Florida Lady Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:58:40pm |
re: #95 DistantThunder
Mitt Romney would never have said this..Does anyone else miss Mitt as much as I do?
Let's all give a Bronx cheer to Huckabee for splitting the vote so that McCain -most people's 2nd or 3rd choice would win the nomination.
I miss Mitt . . . sniff
But we must win with the hand we've been dealt.
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calcajun Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:59:26pm |
re: #111 Charles
Muhammad Ali is the only person in history who has actually pulled off the "rope-a-dope."
And he was prettier than McCain
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Killian Bundy Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:59:35pm |
re: #104 Age Of Freedom
McCain didn't do jack. Sorry, I really don't see what's wrong in his answer to someone that's venting about being 'scared' of 0bama.
Um, I don't know, maybe he could have left out the "President of the United States" part?
/BIG no no!
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calvin coolidge Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:59:39pm |
Relax people. McCain will win this election. Don't make me say, "I told you so" on November 5th.
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Allah al Fubar Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:59:40pm |
I remember McCain in the 90's.
I guess he's living in them.
I give up. No vote.
I'm incredibly disappointed in him. Incredibly disappointed.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:59:51pm |
re: #89 FrogMarch
or again - it could be a plant.
That dog ain't gonna hunt. There's no grand conspiracy. Just like all those antisemitic diaries that used to be all over Dkos were not Rovian false flags planted by operatives like the koskid claimed.
The lady in red put McCain in a really tough spot. Suppose she said" I don't trust him because he's a negro" or "I don't trust him because he's a Jew". Her statement was overtly racist and having racist supporters reflects very badly on McCain's campaign. He should have told her to worry about his economic policies instead but he was reacting to a very bad situation.
The left has been greatly damaged by its stupid, crazy, ill informed hysterical bigots in the past. Now it's our turn.
/So it goes
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Carolyn Fri, Oct 10, 2008 5:59:53pm |
You can't play fair with a party that is busing in homeless people and registering dead people.
I have wondered if McCain wanted to win for months.
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looking closely Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:00:09pm |
Here's one for the child abuse case files:
Syrian dad hands 2 year old child a gun, and watch what happens:
Website itself is probably full of NSFW stuff, but this video is OK.
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CJW Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:00:17pm |
Screw it. I was going to vote for him just to offset my ignorant daughter's vote for Obama. Now I'm going back to my original plan-- I'm writing myself in for president. He doesn't deserve my vote.
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DistantThunder Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:00:47pm |
re: #125 FrogMarch
McCain should have said - "he scares me too. I don't believe he's a Muslim, but he is a socialist."
Yes and then should have said: "this country was built on certain principles of freedom and principles of economic and civil liberties. We do not want anyone near the White House who does not share our devotion to those principles of freedom and prosperity and a respectful limited government.
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engrpat Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:00:48pm |
Sad to say the only people in the world that McCain will fight are republicans. He has spent so much time crossing the isle he forget where his home is. He was more than willing to attack Mitt, without showing any respect for the man but for someone who wants to destroy our way of life he wants to be friends with. Why doesn't McCain just join Obama and hold a joint campaign? Yeah I'm PO'd.
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Intrepid Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:00:51pm |
re: #93 MandyManners
Sen. McCain, BHO SCARES THE SHIT OUTTA' ME. He's a freakin' commie who plans on fucking up this nation six ways from Sunday.
Ah, Mandy - JustMyView gave you a minus on this post. FYI.
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FinallyHere Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:00:55pm |
On the second thought, could it be a plant that tried to provoke McCain?
After all these MSM screams that McCain's supporters are crazy, one can suspect anything.
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Basho Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:00:55pm |
This is what someone said to McCain before he said that you don't have to be scared of Barack (from HotAir):
“I’m scared to bring up my child in a world where Barack Obama is president.”
I mean, McCain responded in the only sensible way.
These people are most certainly plants.
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eric_odessit Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:00:58pm |
It looks like he does not want to win. How sad.
Eric.
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Outrider Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:01:09pm |
re: #120 eon
And I say, since the trooper in question used a Taser on a ten-year-old boy, was caught intoxicated on duty at least twice, and apparently discharged his service weapon at his supervisor (after making threats against said supervisor), any LEO I'm familiar with would have had him up in front of IA, then a review board, and out on the street minus badge, gun and uniform so fast his head would still be spinning today.
If Monegan could not grasp the concept of "this loose cannon is a danger to himself and others, and should not be in uniform", he is clearly too stupid to be a Public Safety Commissioner- or anything else.
/I'd expect better reasoning from Krusty the Clown
cheers
eon
Appointees that serve at the pleasure of the Governor or President can apparently only be let go by Democrats never Republicans. If I recall correctly President Clinton fired 93 US attorneys then asked for resignations of 30 more later on in his administration?
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Racer X Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:01:17pm |
re: #122 Carolyn
McCain thinks Obama will be POTUS.
He is already kissing his ass.
I disagree.
Telling a hostile crowd to be respectful, and taking the high road is not kissing Obama's ass.
But by all means, throw up the white flag.
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stuiec Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:01:43pm |
re: #93 MandyManners
Sen. McCain, BHO SCARES THE SHIT OUTTA' ME. He's a freakin' commie who plans on fucking up this nation six ways from Sunday.
From TIME, via Hot Air:
And then later, again, someone dangled a great big piece of low-hanging fruit in front of McCain: “I’m scared to bring up my child in a world where Barack Obama is president.”McCain replies, “Well, I don’t want him to be president, either. I wouldn’t be running if I did. But,” and he pauses for emphasis, “you don’t have to be scared to have him be President of the United States.” A round of boos…
The proper response would have been:
"Well, Well, I don’t want him to be president, either. I wouldn’t be running if I did. But you shouldn't be scared of Barack Obama -- you should be scared of the policies he would put in place with the help of a Democratic Congress."
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Pigtown Water Dog Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:01:52pm |
re: #123 DistantThunder
I am with you. We did not go through what we went through to put up with the 0.
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WindHorse Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:02:04pm |
I hate to say it, but I called this shxx in August 2007.
"John who?"
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looking closely Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:02:08pm |
re: #95 DistantThunder
Mitt Romney would never have said this..Does anyone else miss Mitt as much as I do?
Let's all give a Bronx cheer to Huckabee for splitting the vote so that McCain -most people's 2nd or 3rd choice would win the nomination.
I like Mitt, but he wouldn't have picked Palin or energized the base.
On the other hand, he may well have run a more aggressive campaign otherwise, and he certainly would have wiped the floor with Obama during the debates.
By the way, Huckabee splitting the vote to enable McCain was part of a "gentleman's" agreement by McCain and Huckabee. . .it wasn't an accident.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:02:15pm |
How about the stock market?
/just trying to cheer up the crowd
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Allah al Fubar Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:02:15pm |
QUESTION:
Is it still possible to write in Hillary?
I'm a life long Republican, but I'm going to go ahead and write her in. McCain won't care. That's for sure.
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Devil's Advocate Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:02:44pm |
I was listening to Rush this morning. He said something along the lines of let me play McCain talking about Ayers, just so we can hear it before he denounces himself.
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DistantThunder Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:02:46pm |
re: #146 Killgore Trout
That dog ain't gonna hunt. There's no grand conspiracy. Just like all those antisemitic diaries that used to be all over Dkos were not Rovian false flags planted by operatives like the koskid claimed.
The lady in red put McCain in a really tough spot. Suppose she said" I don't trust him because he's a negro" or "I don't trust him because he's a Jew". Her statement was overtly racist and having racist supporters reflects very badly on McCain's campaign. He should have told her to worry about his economic policies instead but he was reacting to a very bad situation.
The left has been greatly damaged by its stupid, crazy, ill informed hysterical bigots in the past. Now it's our turn.
/So it goes
She called him an Arab not a muslim and I think he is mostly white some arab and a tiny bit black. I think she was right.
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Ojoe Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:02:47pm |
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sparrowlake Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:02:58pm |
McCain is not stupid. His wimpish and bipartisan statement was calculated to appeal to the swing voters - not to his base. He was trying to "reach across the aisle" to lure some Hilary Dems into his camp. McCain was willing to take the hits from his base in order to avoid being portrayed as a mean partisan.
So over here at LGF it doesn't really matter that hard Reps are pissed off. Just like it didn't really matter that his base Rep audience was displeased - although the booing was probably more than he bargained for. He stayed on message with his strategy of restraint.
That's what I think he was trying to do. Whether the strategy is working is a different matter, but the answer to that lies in the ranks of the swing voters, not among his committed base.
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Allah al Fubar Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:03:04pm |
re: #152 Intrepid
Ah, Mandy - JustMyView gave you a minus on this post. FYI.
Well, I'll give her a double minus.
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MandyManners Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:03:37pm |
re: #158 stuiec
The proper response would have been:
"Well, Well, I don’t want him to be president, either. I wouldn’t be running if I did. But you shouldn't be scared of Barack Obama -- you should be scared of the policies he would put in place with the help of a Democratic Congress."
DINGDINGDING! We have a winnah'!
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reine.de.tout Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:03:42pm |
re: #142 calcajun
And he was prettier than McCain
Yo, calcajun, from previous thread, yes, please send muffaletta recipe.
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StPatrick Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:03:49pm |
What kind of strange reality is this? Only 50 years ago, Barry O (ignoring race for the purpose of the example) would have been laughed off the stage while running for any office, within any party. We used to respect military service and hold those without accomplishments in low regard. We are truly in Bizarro world.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:03:53pm |
re: #163 Allah al Fubar
That's a good point. I was on the fence between Hillary and McCain before the Dem nomination. If Hillary was running I'd be voting Dem this year.
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NY Nana Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:04:02pm |
On Fox, Palin is getting hammered by the Alaska State Ethics Board....I feel like puking.
'Made up', 'family just trying to get the POS fired'....
Off to the vomitoreum....
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FinallyHere Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:04:18pm |
re: #145 Allah al Fubar
I remember McCain in the 90's.
I guess he's living in them.
I give up. No vote.
I'm incredibly disappointed in him. Incredibly disappointed.
I never planned to vote for McCain, but I will vote against Obama.
I do not want to share the blame for disaster that Obama will bring on the USA, Israel, and whatever is left from the West.
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TheMatrix31 Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:04:20pm |
re: #168 sparrowlake
McCain is not stupid. His wimpish and bipartisan statement was calculated to appeal to the swing voters - not to his base. He was trying to "reach across the aisle" to lure some Hilary Dems into his camp. McCain was willing to take the hits from his base in order to avoid being portrayed as a mean partisan.
So over here at LGF it doesn't really matter that hard Reps are pissed off. Just like it didn't really matter that his base Rep audience was displeased - although the booing was probably more than he bargained for. He stayed on message with his strategy of restraint.
That's what I think he was trying to do. Whether the strategy is working is a different matter, but the answer to that lies in the ranks of the swing voters, not among his committed base.
But it undercuts what his VP and his campaign has been trying to get out for a week now. Something they should have fucking been doing for months now. But that shit undercuts it all.
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bill-tb Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:04:21pm |
Yosemite was off his game today, I saw parts of the stupid townhall, it was best summed up as "huh" what was that all about.
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eon Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:04:33pm |
re: #148 looking closely
Here's one for the child abuse case files:
Syrian dad hands 2 year old child a gun, and watch what happens:
Website itself is probably full of NSFW stuff, but this video is OK.
I'd venture to call that an instant Darwin Award. Horrible for the child, though.
What surprises me is that a 2-year-old could set off a P-35 High Power, which normally has a very heavy and rather gritty trigger pull.
/personal experience, but I like mine anyway
cheers
eon
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Charles Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:05:09pm |
Wow, a -6 rating on this post. That's OK, I'm not taking it personally.
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azcon Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:05:12pm |
Maybe it's reverse psychology...? Or sarcasm...oh no...you don't have to be scared of Obama....not at all.
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MandyManners Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:05:15pm |
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joecitizen Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:05:18pm |
re: #24 Killgore Trout
Dude, check out the clip in context....
McCain booed after telling crowd to be respectful to Obama
Check out the lady in red just before the money quote from McCain, "I can't trust him. I've read about him. He's an arab."
I'm among the first to critisize McCain here but he's scolding his audience for being uninformed and stupid. They put him in a tough spot. McCain supporters are doing a lot of damage. It wasn't that long ago that was a left wing phenomenon. The right has it now too. We have serious problems.
this is an evil effin bridge to straddle..it breaks my heart that we need the votes of people I'd smack around in a bar for spewing this racist stupid shit just to win this election..fucking stupid uneducated ill raised losers are the difference this rime..and what's worse,coddling these dimwits or dealing with socialist fucking barry?
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FrogMarch Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:05:23pm |
re: #146 Killgore Trout
lady in red probably not a plant. But the "kill him" dood could have been?
just saying "could". w/ The acorn cheating and the guy who hacked Palin's e-mail, etc... It crosses the mind that this could be more democrat shenanigans.
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stuiec Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:05:35pm |
re: #43 LGoPs
We need to start following the advice of that great philosopher, Harvey Logan, who said "There ain't no rules in a knife fight"
I'm afraid the lesson is lost on John......regrettably
Didn't work out too well for Harvey, though, did it?
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Carolyn Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:05:40pm |
re: #157 Racer X
No white flag from me, McCain is the one who will not fight.
There is an abundance to fight.
Anyone but Obama.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:05:50pm |
re: #165 DistantThunder
I'm not arguing her understanding of genetics and race. I couldn't give a shit. Her statement was still overtly racist and would have seriously damaged his campaign if it wasn't already seriously damaged.
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:05:52pm |
re: #134 DistantThunder
His friend Odinga - who he campaigned for in Kenya - managed to get 1000 people killed in post election riots that he started to protest his loss - and only 500,000 people were displaced from their homes.
Don't worry. Be happy.
So what will happen in the post-Obama-loss riots here?
Maybe McCain is trying to prevent that? (Please, we will survive riots, but not an 0bama presidency and Iranian nukes.)
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looking closely Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:05:56pm |
re: #162 Killgore Trout
How about the stock market?
/just trying to cheer up the crowd
Why don't you tell me my dog died instead?
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yah Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:06:07pm |
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NY Nana Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:06:10pm |
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Colonel Panik Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:06:14pm |
re: #148 looking closely
Here's one for the child abuse case files:
Syrian dad hands 2 year old child a gun, and watch what happens:
Website itself is probably full of NSFW stuff, but this video is OK.
To bad that kid didn't aim that Browning a few inches lower, he'd have prevented Jihad Dad from bringing anymore little mujaheeds into the world.
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Age Of Freedom Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:06:23pm |
Sorry, but this thread is absolutely BS. Is this LGF or the Daily Kos?
Again the full vid:
[Link: hotair.com...]
McCain's should be praised for his responsible answers, especially to that old lady in red. It's the Talking Points Memo that deliberately misquoted him as if he concluded this in a speech.
I can't believe people here are actually falling for this BS and actually going against McCain. It's seriously dumb and demoralizing, especially for this community.
Down rate me for all I care.
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10ring Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:06:45pm |
Dear God, when are republicans going to grow a pair and realize this is WAR, and if we don't throw down and fight hard all is lost?
WTH is this man thinking.
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Yankee Division Son Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:06:52pm |
Sorry folks, I hate to admit it, but I am loosing faith in McCain the politician.
In the last debate, when the moderator asked "whom might you be considering for Secretary of the Treasury?" I thought to myself, now there's one right done the middle John. Swing batter batter, swing. knock it out of the park. Say it. Two words. Mitt (Freaking) Romney. SAY IT!
Nope, he said he liked Obama's guy. I couldn't believe it. Now this.
I've begun to think, in the realm of 21st century politics and media..
John McCain is just to nice to be a politician..
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HelloDare Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:07:04pm |
Where is the rest of the clip?
Did he burst out laughing afterwards?
Was he talking to a person in a straight jacket and didn't want to rile him.
Did he add, "but I kid."
Did he end with, "And if you believe that I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you." Or, "Whoa boy, I crack myself up."
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HillJack Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:07:07pm |
The only thing that can save this campaign is a huge October surprise and I just don't see it happening. Too many people in this country are willing to give the Chosen One a pass on everything. It seems the majority of the American people don't want a leader, they want a nanny and it truly saddens me to see the direction in which this country is heading. I have no doubt that Barry and the Democratically controlled Congress will do their utmost to destroy everything that conservatives hold dear. I was always going to hold my nose and vote for McCain so that will not change. I just don't think it will do any good.
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Hard Right Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:07:39pm |
Way to go John. Plan to loudly fart in church next?
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JacksonTn Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:07:41pm |
re: #182 MandyManners
Well, fuck her.
Wow, I have been picturing JMW as a man/boy ....... kinda shocked its a girl ......are you sure its a girl?
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Basho Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:07:43pm |
re: #193 Age Of Freedom
I can't believe people here are actually falling for this BS and actually going against McCain. It's seriously dumb and demoralizing, especially for this community.
Down rate me for all I care.
Up rate for you since you're being completely reasonable!
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swamprat Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:07:59pm |
smelling kinda moby around here
waitin for the false flag race baiters
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yah Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:08:36pm |
re: #135 Metal Man
Does the job of POTUS suck so badly that they both are running to lose it?
BO and McCain appear to be both trying their best to throw this fight.
The winner will demand a recount.
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Age Of Freedom Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:08:42pm |
re: #143 Killian Bundy
Um, I don't know, maybe he could have left out the "President of the United States" part?
/BIG no no!
It honestly didn't even cross my mind, and it still doesn't even feel anything like "admitting" defeat.
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noshariaincanada Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:08:48pm |
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:09:07pm |
re: #184 FrogMarch
lady in red probably not a plant. But the "kill him" dood could have been?
I don't know what to think about the "Kill him" claims. Last I heard the reporter wasn't returning calls from the Secret Service. Who knows what happened. But I think part of the reason we have this McCain quote tonight is because his audience is getting out of control. This might be part of a growing trend.
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godfrey Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:09:19pm |
All it takes is to look at what Frank, Raines, Gorelick, Obama et al did to global finance. They completely screwed us all.
That my friends is the killer instinct.
That's what you're up against.
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guzziguy Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:09:25pm |
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Thanos Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:09:40pm |
When confronted by insanity several times per day you can't expect every moment and every bite to be perfect, you have to expect some stumbles which will be magnified. Those of you getting the vapors over this are getting a bit jelly spined in my humble opinion.
Time enough to talk about what was wrong if he loses, we'll have four years to grumble. Buck up, get a grip, it ain't over yet.
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TheMatrix31 Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:09:51pm |
WAIT......could it be taken that McCain was saying "You don't have to be scared of Obama as President" as in because it won't happen and "There's no fucking way I'm letting him become President"?
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Colonel Panik Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:10:01pm |
re: #206 noshariaincanada
I am sensing frustration.
The base is extremely frustrated with the media bias.
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jopa416 Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:10:09pm |
McCain sure knows how to throw a wet towel on a golden opportunity to bring Obama down.
I don't think he wants to be president. Maybe he is being threatend.
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Celtic Templar Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:10:12pm |
re: #165 DistantThunder
She called him an Arab not a muslim and I think he is mostly white some arab and a tiny bit black. I think she was right.
But the thing isn't if she is accurate about the man's race. It's about the stereotype that is racist. So he's an arab, that is nothing to be afraid of. His radical associations and his policies, sure, his race, no.
McCain is honorable and correct.
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jamgarr Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:10:16pm |
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Killian Bundy Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:10:33pm |
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MandyManners Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:10:38pm |
re: #200 JacksonTn
Wow, I have been picturing JMW as a man/boy ....... kinda shocked its a girl ......are you sure its a girl?
Sharmuta thinks it's a woman.
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JustMyView Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:11:04pm |
re: #139 calcajun
red neck is a red neck.
Sorry if I sound slightly biased, but I remember all too well my baptism into Louisiana politics and the mind-set of the electorate in the early 80's. It was Dave Treen vs. the oft-indicted Edwin Edwards. It was well known that Edwards was a crook, but no one wanted to vote for Treen for fear that he could be worse. These weren't blue-collar workers who said this, but my superiors; officers at the bank where I worked. There was no talking to them.
You might be interested in this David Brooks editorial, which talks about what has happened to "idea people" in the Republican party.
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Age Of Freedom Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:11:08pm |
re: #196 Yankee Division Son
Sorry folks, I hate to admit it, but I am loosing faith in McCain the politician.
In the last debate, when the moderator asked "whom might you be considering for Secretary of the Treasury?" I thought to myself, now there's one right done the middle John. Swing batter batter, swing. knock it out of the park. Say it. Two words. Mitt (Freaking) Romney. SAY IT!
Nope, he said he liked Obama's guy. I couldn't believe it. Now this.
I've begun to think, in the realm of 21st century politics and media..John McCain is just to nice to be a politician..
Great point, however, let's just all give up, boo John and lose any glimpses of hope to him be the president instead of the big 0.
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Basho Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:11:17pm |
re: #196 Yankee Division Son
John McCain is just to nice to be a politician..
Meh... his honesty, integrity, and kindness are reasons I'm voting for him.
He doesn't want to lose this election. This is his dream. And this year will be his very last chance to try to accomplish said dream in his lifetime. He just has a limit as to how low he will stoop to do it. We need more Americans like him.
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looking closely Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:11:22pm |
re: #179 eon
I'd venture to call that an instant Darwin Award. Horrible for the child, though.
What surprises me is that a 2-year-old could set off a P-35 High Power, which normally has a very heavy and rather gritty trigger pull.
/personal experience, but I like mine anyway
Well, a straight Hi-Power is supposed to have a mag safety, and I think the dad ejected the mag at the beginning of the video (though obviously forgetting about the round in the chamber).
Also, unless he was carrying it cocked and UNLOCKED, either he or the kid had to disengage the safety before this incident.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:11:27pm |
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Racer X Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:11:53pm |
re: #208 Killgore Trout
I don't know what to think about the "Kill him" claims. Last I heard the reporter wasn't returning calls from the Secret Service. Who knows what happened. But I think part of the reason we have this McCain quote tonight is because his audience is getting out of control. This might be part of a growing trend.
Exactly!
I think Mac is just trying to calm some people down. God knows the left will freaking explode when he wins.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:12:12pm |
re: #219 Killian Bundy
Lucky you. I'm a conservative long term sort of guy so I'm fucked for now. Can I borrow a few grand to tide me over?
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WindHorse Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:12:15pm |
McCain would have been much better off to say (in a loud, determined voice) to the crowd that this election isn't about Obama, it's about a change in the US that the Republican Party will bring. A change that will shore up a slumping economy. A future that will ensure continued fighting against terrorists. A change that will rout out the crooks that have caused the crash on Wall Street... a future where America will continue helping those in need, and a future where America will once again be looked towards for leadership in the world.
If he knew what the fuck he was doing, the crowd would have been raoring about half way through that.
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Age Of Freedom Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:12:27pm |
re: #223 Basho
Meh... his honesty, integrity, and kindness are reasons I'm voting for him.
He doesn't want to lose this election. This is his dream. And this year will be his very last chance to try to accomplish said dream in his lifetime. He just has a limit as to how low he will stoop to do it. We need more Americans like him.
Agreed.
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noshariaincanada Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:13:00pm |
re: #225 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
trying to keep it simple here: sparkling water & overproof vodka.
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Celtic Templar Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:13:02pm |
re: #223 Basho
Meh... his honesty, integrity, and kindness are reasons I'm voting for him.
He doesn't want to lose this election. This is his dream. And this year will be his very last chance to try to accomplish said dream in his lifetime. He just has a limit as to how low he will stoop to do it. We need more Americans like him.
Right on ... we don't need to be like our opponent.
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WindHorse Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:13:14pm |
re: #228 WindHorse
(He could have turned that crowd around and had them cheering.)
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Carolyn Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:13:21pm |
BHO is not someone we can respect.
His past associations are awful.
Do not pee on my leg and tell me it is raining.
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KingKenrod Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:13:22pm |
It won't work, but maybe he's trying to insulate himself against charges of racism from a soon to be unleashed attack on Obama about his friendship with Rev. Wright?
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eon Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:13:33pm |
re: #207 Racer X
That's what I want to hear Obama's campaign poobahs telling him on his frickin' Magic Carpet back to Chicago on the night of 3 November.
/Just like Jimmy Carter got on his way to Plains, GA, the night before Election Day in 1980.
I'm voting for McCain & Palin just because of the number of people I know it will piss off. Who's with me?
cheers
eon
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Scion9 Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:13:38pm |
re: #146 Killgore Trout
The issue being that the Dems still have millions of overtly racist, uneducated, openly offensive supporters that come out to rallies in droves and it isn't hurting their 'brand' at all, as it goes completey unreported and will never get covered.
McCain might have his share of wackos, which can't be stopped when he has the support of tens of millions of Americans. The difference being is that McCain is being forced to deflect his wacko supporters and getting nailed to the wall for people at rallies while Obama will not get touched for associating with rabidly anti-semitic, terrorist supporters, sitting in the pews of a Church whose theology says that God hates whites and will see them destroyed and subjugated under Black rule, and expressing similar racist views by his own penhand in two memoirs.
McCain looks bad for getting the support of a racist hick as if it should reflect him personally, but Obama is fresh as a daisy for garnering the support of every America hating dictator, terrorist organization and the collective of the 'Hate America' voting bloc here at home that all want to see us destitute or dead? That McCain is being damaged by a few nuts at a rally or that rednecks vote GOP is purely a matter of the GOP being held to a ridiculously higher standard than the Dems.
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ArmyWife Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:13:39pm |
re: #109 TheMatrix31
I personally would have loved a Thompson/Palin ticket. WHY DIDN'T FRED SHOW UP DURING THE PRIMARIES?
John McCain was not my candidate of choice, but he is who I have. When I get down in the dumps about the state of his campaign, I think about 2012 and this ticket - Palin/Steele. Let's just get her in with John now, and start planning for the future....
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fed-up Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:13:48pm |
So much for this election. I keep keep hoping, but if he is not going to go all out....
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nyc redneck Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:13:54pm |
i'm not giving up on mccain.
that isn't an option.
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NY Nana Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:14:15pm |
Panel: Palin Abused Her Power in Firing of Commissioner
ANCHORAGE, Alaska -- A state legislative panel has concluded that Sarah Palin abused her power in the firing of the state's public safety commissioner.
The investigative report concludes that a family grudge wasn't the sole reason for firing Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan but says it likely was a contributing factor.
The findings were released after lawmakers emerged Friday from a private session in Anchorage where they spent more than six hours discussing a politically charged ethics report into the firing by Gov. Palin.
The legislative panel began its public session by discussing whether to release the report's findings. The investigation was examining whether Palin, the Republican vice presidential nominee, fired a state commissioner to settle a family dispute. The report also is expected to touch on whether Palin's husband meddled in state affairs and whether her administration inappropriately accessed employee medical records.
Critics claim Palin fired Monegan after months of pressure on him to fire Mike Wooten, a state trooper involved in a nasty divorce and custody dispute with the governor's sister.
"I think there are some problems in this report," Republican state Sen. Gary Stevens. "I would encourage people to be very cautious, to look at this with a jaundiced eye."
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:14:15pm |
re: #221 JustMyView
You might be interested in this David Brooks editorial, which talks about what has happened to "idea people" in the Republican party.
JMV- Using pseudo-conserative David Brooks as a source? ROFLMAO! That's the best you can do? What, Maureen Dudd, I mean Dowd, wasn't available? Gimme a break!
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Celtic Templar Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:14:16pm |
re: #233 Carolyn
BHO is not someone we can respect.
His past associations are awful.
Do not pee on my leg and tell me it is raining.
So we should be afraid of all Arabs? Come on - McCain is right.
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StPatrick Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:14:34pm |
re: #209 godfrey
Don't forget former presidential candidate and "Friend of Angelo" Sen. Christopher Dodd. I believe Ace linked him as a "corrupt POS" or something similar today. I second.
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Taqiyyotomist Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:14:38pm |
re: #103 godfrey
...
God. Damn. It.
I hear ya. I don't think I could get any more cynical at this point. There is deception going on here like we've never seen (and we all, ah, Know Too Much, about how it all happened.)
Everything the moonbats fear from the Right, they themselves are doing, and would do more of, if they had more power.
---
I don't think anything will work regarding negative news about Obama, and here's why: For the past 8 years, Americans have been submerged in Utterly Insane Scandal Conspiracies, and the Mis- and Dis- information that comes with all that, from 9/11 theories, to the Wilson/Plame thing, to You Frikkin Name it. What could we POSSIBLY tell the nation about Obama that would to "Intentionally Brought Down the WTC, Killing 3,000 People, Starting an Illegal Blood-For-Oil War And Terrorizing Innocent Civilians for Imperialistic Halliburton Patriachal Hegemony." What could top that? "Gave $800,000 taxpayer money to ACORN"? So what? Was conceived by, weaned by, suckled by, raised by, taught by, inspired by, and elevated to the senate by Long-Planning Communists"? So what? America is tired of Michael Moore and conspiracy theories; the left has been like the WOLF who cried "Wolf" for the last 8 years, now most of America has no more tolerance for any of it EVEN IF IT'S THE GODDAMN TRUTH. And those are just those who could be swayed by facts if they COULD absorb any more twisted political tales. Never mind the Moonbats. I mean really, they could see, live and in person, Obama talking to Saddam and Bin Laden, laughing as they feed live women to dogs for the entertainment of the Cabinet (as Saddam was sometimes wont to do), and they would say, "Yeah, but did he Intentionally Bring Down the WTC, Killing 3,000 People, Start an Illegal Blood-For-Oil War And Terrorize Innocent Civilians for Imperialistic Halliburton Patriachal Hegemony? Alright, then, STFU, noob, Pwned!"
Regardless, America has been programmed, sadly. The best campaign we could run, we people who like our news somewhat Truthier. We could begin a years-long campaign to get people to Turn Off The Goddamn TV For Ever. There might be hope for the US, if the majority of us said "F**k TV." TV-watching should be treated by general society the way we treat Crack-Smoking, Huffing Spraypaint, and Barnyard Sex. And TV-Watching might be a bit underneath Barnyard Sex, since at least that doesn't actively destroy the mind. //
-Taq
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Intrepid Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:14:40pm |
Folks, the Obama squad is now winning by getting us off our game! Sow a little discord into a McCain rally and get Mac to say something that is a little bit favorable to Obama, since Obama's getting hammered on ACORN and AYERS right now.
And many of us are falling right into the trap.
They know that conservatives will beat up their own if their own doesn't say exactly what they want him to say! That is painfully obvious by the various posts here. If John McCain doesn't go out and proclaim Barack Obama as the ULTIMATE ANTICHRIST DEMON CANDIDATE MOST AWFUL MAN EVER, then he fails in many of our estimations.
Ayers and ACORN have obviously hit a nerve, and that's why the libs are out swinging! It is evident in how they released the Troopergate thing today, in concert with what is obviously a plant at the McCain rally today.
Get a grip, people! There will be ups and downs in campaigns, and this is just one dip!
FIGHT! Keep fighting and let's see what happens in the days to come.
Obama and his minions will not go down without a fight.
We have to take them out, and do it while McCain wages an honorable campaign. Because you can bet your ass Obama won't be honorable.
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HelloDare Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:14:46pm |
re: #203 Charles
I am sensing anger.
This happens all the time with spinoff links. People don't like the content of the link so they ding down a story instead of using the comments to express their opinion. So a really interesting story never makes it to Top Links Overall.
Does this bug other people?
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FrogMarch Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:14:51pm |
re: #221 JustMyView
You might be interested in this David Brooks editorial, which talks about what has happened to "idea people" in the Republican party.
David Brooks? YUCK.
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JacksonTn Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:15:13pm |
re: #218 tasteslikechicken
Sadly, but predictably, McCain reveals himself as a senile idiot. How the hell did this loser get nominated? Any conservative who voted for this pile of dung in the primaries should be taken out and shot. The Dems nominate a Marxist and "our" nominee can't bother to point that inconvenient fact out.
President Obama. With a fillabuster-proof majority. God help us.
The end of America.
Why are there so many on this thread with not many posts? You are a f*cking idiot ....... you were probably voting for Obama anyway .......hope you have room in your house ....... because MEchelle is coming to move in a few of her friends ..... she says you have way too much room ....... the scene in Doctor Zhivago where that happens always reminds me of MEchelle. I will not accept defeat ever ......... you may bend over to socialism ....... I will not.
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Theologian Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:15:14pm |
Wow...way to endorse Obama, Senator McCain....it increasingly seems as though he has thrown in the towel.
Can we put Palin on top of the ticket? At the least, I've always believed Fred Thompson should have been the candidate.
I'm terrified of an Obama presidency....an Obama presidency is the death of capitalism and freedom and the rise of socialism and statism.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:15:14pm |
re: #230 noshariaincanada
trying to keep it simple here: sparkling water & overproof vodka.
I just said it was open, it's serve yourself! : )
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Hard Right Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:15:25pm |
re: #224 looking closely
Well, a straight Hi-Power is supposed to have a mag safety, and I think the dad ejected the mag at the beginning of the video (though obviously forgetting about the round in the chamber).
Also, unless he was carrying it cocked and UNLOCKED, either he or the kid had to disengage the safety before this incident.
If he disconnected the mag safety it would allow the gun to go off even without the magazine.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:15:32pm |
re: #180 Charles
Wow, a -6 rating on this post. That's OK, I'm not taking it personally.
I think you were supposed to sweep it under the rug and try to hide it, even though McCain said it in full view of the cameras.
/nevermind that it's already aired on every MSM media outlet including FNC
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freedomplow Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:15:40pm |
This is a dem created controversy because of the passion of the base.
They are trying to blunt that passion.
He has every right to tell the crowd this after some old lady said she is heard Obama was a Muslim.
Looks like this video was edited to have McCain make these comments before this lady said Obama was an Arab.
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onepistoffyid Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:16:06pm |
re: #17 Charles
I don't think he's losing his nerve as much he's way, WAY, WAAAY too concerned with looking fair.
This is why nice guys always finish last. I think McCain would rather be a good sport than president. He just doesn't want it that bad.
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stuiec Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:16:11pm |
re: #183 joecitizen
this is an evil effin bridge to straddle..it breaks my heart that we need the votes of people I'd smack around in a bar for spewing this racist stupid shit just to win this election..fucking stupid uneducated ill raised losers are the difference this rime..and what's worse,coddling these dimwits or dealing with socialist fucking barry?
You're taking it too much to heart. You think the Left is devoid of "fucking stupid uneducated ill raised losers"? I know from personal experience that even Leftist who are educated, bright and well-raised are susceptible to acting like fucking losers when it comes to Bush Derangement Syndrome and visceral hatred of all things Republican -- even to the degree of falling for 9/11 Trooferism.
The Black guy who stood up at McCain's rally and BEGGED him to take on Obama wasn't a racist redneck, and most of the people you're painting as such aren't either. But they sure don't want Obama elected. They didn't boo McCain for cutting off the woman who called Obama an Arab -- they booed because McCain gave the impression he wasn't against every thing Obama stands for politically.
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MJBrutus Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:16:11pm |
WTG Gentleman Johnny. I'll hold my nose until it bleeds and pull the god-damned lever for you, but that is all I'm about to do. You want to put your own Puritanical sense of propriety ahead of your country? Well screw you.
America is in for some dark days. We may never fully recover from the damage that has been and will be done. What we've seen these past few weeks will be looked on with fond nostalgia after Jan, when San Fran Nanny is running the place. And make no mistake about it, that is who you have turned this country over to.
And the damage does not end at our borders either. The entire free world, who has sat back on their collective fat, bureaucratic asses while we've fought the good fight against terror, naked aggression and imperialism will be rudely reminded just what a strong America meant to them.
But hey, you feel good about yourself, so what the hell, it was worth it.
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jetprop Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:16:14pm |
re: #226 Racer X
Exactly!
I think Mac is just trying to calm some people down. God knows the left will freaking explode when he wins.
Thing is, if Mac had said "I agree" or "0bama's scary" the left would have gone nuts with 'McCain's a fear monger' or 'McCain's a racist xenophobe' ~news at 11.
I do feel frustrated with his bipartisan crap, though.
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FrogMarch Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:16:14pm |
The only ideas to come out of the DEMOCRAT LEFT:
More government control over our lives.
That's it.
Nothing more.
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rw in san diego Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:16:15pm |
Get a clue, John McCain, if I thought an Obama presidency wouldn't be a disaster for my country, I wouldn't be voting for you.
Yikes! Does he want to win?
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yah Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:16:51pm |
re: #207 Racer X
Supposedly there is going to be a MASS showing of UFO's on Oct 14. Like thousands of them all over the world and they will show their power and take over the world.
After this election cycle, I kinda look forward to it.
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Carolyn Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:16:59pm |
re: #244 Celtic Templar
Ayers, Wright, Farrakhan, Rezko, who the hell else?
I didn't say anything about Arabs.
But that is another story for another time.
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patrickafir Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:16:59pm |
re: #241 nyc redneck
i'm not giving up on mccain.
that isn't an option.
Yup. When you've got two flavors of crap and you have to eat one, you go with the most palatable.
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golly_wog Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:17:09pm |
There were a million ways he could have responded with the same defusing results, but he chose this! Arrrrrgghhhhh Gah. Lackluster is not going to outshine bluster.
NOBAMANOHOW
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Racer X Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:17:36pm |
Perhaps this was McCain's way of pointing out the obvious - Obama could very well be the next president? And don't fricking panic and cry like little girls? And perhaps get out and support John McCain?
Nah. Cry like little girls.
There there.
pats your head
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welshgirl Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:17:36pm |
Is there an easy way to copy remarks here at LGF? I have trouble c & pasting. Thought there is a reason. Can I get in on the secret?
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:18:40pm |
re: #243 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
JMV- Using pseudo-conserative David Brooks as a source? ROFLMAO! That's the best you can do? What, Maureen Dudd, I mean Dowd, wasn't available? Gimme a break!
Next thing you know you'll be telling us John McCain is a Ronald Reagan conservative.
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Mambo Bananapatch Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:18:57pm |
John McCain is an honourable man, and he is, barring some substantial swing, going to lose to a dishonourable man.
Perhaps this is, in this case, as it should be. It seems that America occasionally needs to be reminded of the consequences of allowing herself to be hoodwinked, and led by, a dishonourable man.
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Cartman Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:18:57pm |
re: #241 nyc redneck
i'm not giving up on mccain.
that isn't an option.
Oh, I'm not either, but I sure wish he'd stop kickin' me in the nuts.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:19:01pm |
re: #267 welshgirl
Is there an easy way to copy remarks here at LGF? I have trouble c & pasting. Thought there is a reason. Can I get in on the secret?
/try using the "quote" function in every comment
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libertexian Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:19:06pm |
So the election is over. Just like that, McCain throws in the towel. Please unsubscribe me and remove any evidence I have ever participated at LGF. I think I see brown shirts gathering in the street now.
Over and out.
Bubye
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calcajun Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:19:08pm |
re: #221 JustMyView
You might be interested in this David Brooks editorial, which talks about what has happened to "idea people" in the Republican party.
I read it earlier. He and Chris Buckley are of one mind. I don't disagree, but I don't want to be shunted off into the political wilderness, either.
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Intrepid Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:19:33pm |
re: #221 JustMyView
You might be interested in this David Brooks editorial, which talks about what has happened to "idea people" in the Republican party.
David Brooks has become a tool of the left lately. I (and many conservatives) set no store by him and his writings.
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uptight Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:19:49pm |
A few vital points, folks:
1) Islamofascists (rightly) see socialists as a their useful idiots. The Bin Ladens of this world must have thought they'd won the lottery when they realised how destructively self-hating the left are. I bet they still can't believe their luck.
2) Socialists (wrongly) believe that their diplomatic skills will touch the humanity in even the most extremist Islamist.
3) America is the world's policeman. Whoever is president dictates how much shit the bad guys will try and get away with. A strong president will cause any extremist regime to strongly consider the consequences of any move they want to pull. McCain for all his faults is very strong on foreign policy.
5) Obama is a socialist. He may believe that his diplomatic skills can solve anything, but terrorists and extremist regimes see a useful idiot. If he is president, they will see him as a sleeping policeman. An opportunity to do all the crap they've always wanted WITHOUT the threat of American reprisals.
6) A town with no police force descends into anarchy, rioting, looting and bloodshed. A world with no global policeman will go the same way.
Conclusion: if Obama becomes president, it's a matter of how much lasting damage can be done to the future of western civilisation within the space of his 4 year term.
I am now becoming more convinved that McCain will be the next president.
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Yankee Division Son Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:19:54pm |
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kansas Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:20:05pm |
re: #261 rw in san diego
Get a clue, John McCain, if I thought an Obama presidency wouldn't be a disaster for my country, I wouldn't be voting for you.
Yikes! Does he want to win?
Does it LOOK like he wants to win?
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JacksonTn Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:20:28pm |
re: #236 eon
That's what I want to hear Obama's campaign poobahs telling him on his frickin' Magic Carpet back to Chicago on the night of 3 November.
/Just like Jimmy Carter got on his way to Plains, GA, the night before Election Day in 1980.
I'm voting for McCain & Palin just because of the number of people I know it will piss off. Who's with me?
cheers
eon
I AM ........ and all the dems in my family.
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Dalibama Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:20:29pm |
This is too much for me. I'm not voting. It's not like my vote counts anyways. (MA) I can avoid standing in line in my moonbat town.
I've been toying with this idea for awhile but now I'm serious.
McCain cares more about himself and his likabilty factor than he does his country.
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FloridaAnole Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:20:38pm |
Well, I was originally for Rudy Giuliani, but he fizzled out here in Florida. So I'm willing to make do with what we've got. Apparently, the Refined Rinos who are advising McCain were appalled by the raucousness of the rallies, and wanted to put a damper on like it. As I wrote previously, these are probably the same guys who buried Sarah for a month because people like Christopher Buckley's good friend Kathleen Parker found Sarah dangerous and appalling, or whatever.
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Racer X Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:20:57pm |
re: #259 jetprop
I do feel frustrated with his bipartisan crap, though.
I hear ya.
I did not hear McCain "endorse Obama" like some here have suggested.
I am disappointed MORE in McCain's so called "supporters".
Way to have the man's back guys.
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Slumbering Behemoth Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:21:08pm |
Well this tears it, McCain just lost my vote. I'm writing in Mickey Mouse now.
/s
Wow. :sigh:
One little out of context sound bite and some folks go ape-shit-head-long into despair. And folks say John needs to grow a pair? Oh, teh irony!
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Bobibutu Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:21:19pm |
Paging Cindy - Cindy McCain to the red phone please.
Uh - Mrs. McCain - would you kindly do what needs to be done to get your hubby on track ... your choice, you know him better than we do!
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Ojoe Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:21:21pm |
re: #214 HelloDare
It is a telescope tower, for finding out things about the Universe.
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Mambo Bananapatch Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:21:54pm |
re: #267 welshgirl
Is there an easy way to copy remarks here at LGF? I have trouble c & pasting. Thought there is a reason. Can I get in on the secret?
Click "quote" in the header of the comment you want to reply to, and voila.
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uscmsne Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:21:55pm |
On the subject of Palin: that's horseshit. It's a lose-lose. She fires that turd, she's guilty of impropriety for getting involved in her sisters divorce. Well, she's guilty of letting her husband get involved. If she doesn't fire him, then she's culpable in ensuring that her sister has a fat state-paid alimony check for the rest of the sisters life. And what bothers me the most is that people are defending the trooper who tasered his on son, was drinking in a squad car, made death threats to his wife and in-laws. In what universe is this that a POS like this isn't fired on the spot? The biggest crime, in my opinion, is that only her cabinet guy Monagen (-2 sp.) has been fired.
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FrogMarch Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:22:00pm |
Meanwhile - a black McCain supporter gets an e-mail in-box filled with this:
“Hello you racist dog. You are officially dismissed from the African American Race. How discusting to see you on the television with your white racist friends McCain and Palin. To them you're just another n*****. I hope you fry in hell for what you said about a decent person like Obama.”
“Go Obama-Biden08”
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stuiec Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:22:02pm |
re: #275 uptight
The question hangs on a knife edge: will the voters decide things are so bad that they vote in the Democrat just for the sake of change, or will they decide things are so bad that they vote in the Republican because the Democrat is too risky, being unknown and inexperienced?
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joecitizen Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:22:11pm |
re: #257 stuiec
You're taking it too much to heart. You think the Left is devoid of "fucking stupid uneducated ill raised losers"? I know from personal experience that even Leftist who are educated, bright and well-raised are susceptible to acting like fucking losers when it comes to Bush Derangement Syndrome and visceral hatred of all things Republican -- even to the degree of falling for 9/11 Trooferism.
The Black guy who stood up at McCain's rally and BEGGED him to take on Obama wasn't a racist redneck, and most of the people you're painting as such aren't either. But they sure don't want Obama elected. They didn't boo McCain for cutting off the woman who called Obama an Arab -- they booed because McCain gave the impression he wasn't against every thing Obama stands for politically.
left OR right, a moronic asshole is STILL a moronic asshole..
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Tigger2005 Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:22:26pm |
John, he is NOT a decent man! He's a dangerous man! We have every right to be scared of him! We want you to HAMMER him, John! We want you to hammer on his associates and his involvement in creating the financial crisis! PLEASE!
Fuck it. I am voting for this guy regardless ... I went out door to door for him today. But I'm voting more for Palin and against Obama than I'm voting for John McCain.
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stuiec Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:22:32pm |
re: #277 kansas
Does it LOOK like he wants to win?
Fuck him -- MAKE him win anyway and force him to DEAL with it.
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godfrey Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:23:04pm |
re: #246 Taqiyyotomist
I mean really, they could see, live and in person, Obama talking to Saddam and Bin Laden, laughing as they feed live women to dogs for the entertainment of the Cabinet (as Saddam was sometimes wont to do), and they would say, "Yeah, but did he Intentionally Bring Down the WTC, Killing 3,000 People, Start an Illegal Blood-For-Oil War And Terrorize Innocent Civilians for Imperialistic Halliburton Patriachal Hegemony? Alright, then, STFU, noob, Pwned!"
lol
...
Yeah. Yep.
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Biff Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:23:14pm |
I blame the GOP rank and file who voted for McCain over Romney and Guiliani. Either one of those guys would have trashed Barry O.
Mitt was a sensational candidate, and would have been the perfect GOP leader in these uncertain times, but he was rejected, primarily because he is a Morman. What a crock of shi__. I think a lot of Repubs believed that Joh would somehow transform himself into a candidate who could stand up to the Dems. It is unbelievable to me that he could trash talk Romney in the GOP primaries, and now finds it impossible to do so with Obama. At this point he just comes across as feeble.
Step aside now John, and give America a chance to elect a real woman and a real Republican.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:23:16pm |
re: #237 Scion9
Sure, there's a double standard. Life is unfair. McCain is a weak candidate and his supporters are crazy. The press loves Obama. That's the reality we're handed. I blame McCain for his weakness and his supporters for their stupidity. I blame the press for being uncritical of Obama. Kepp blame where it belongs. Our misfortune is our own.
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kansas Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:23:34pm |
So Fox has the Alaska Legislature with a 200 some page report on how Palin abused her power. Shit. How lopsided can this media bullshit get?
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JacksonTn Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:23:43pm |
re: #267 welshgirl
Is there an easy way to copy remarks here at LGF? I have trouble c & pasting. Thought there is a reason. Can I get in on the secret?
Guess it depends on where you pasting them ....
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Basho Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:24:08pm |
re: #291 stuiec
Fuck him -- MAKE him win anyway and force him to DEAL with it.
Hah! I like that attitude.
McCain doesn't want to win? Too bad because he is going to anyway! YEAH!
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Charles Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:24:11pm |
I don't blame the readers who hit the minus button for this one. I would have, too.
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Racer X Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:24:15pm |
re: #282 Slumbering Behemoth
One little out of context sound bite and some folks go ape-shit-head-long into despair. And folks say John needs to grow a pair? Oh, teh irony!
Thank you!
I need a beer.
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Hard Right Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:24:24pm |
re: #279 Dalibama
This is too much for me. I'm not voting. It's not like my vote counts anyways. (MA) I can avoid standing in line in my moonbat town.
I've been toying with this idea for awhile but now I'm serious.
McCain cares more about himself and his likabilty factor than he does his country.
Then just go vote for Obama ya wuss. Jeez.
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sparrowlake Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:24:28pm |
McCain cannot win this election without the Hilary Dems. He has rightly or wrongly determined that he cannot win them over with a no-holds barred atack on Obama. He has been advised that his base may fray but will not break over this approach.
So fray away, folks, but you will not break.
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Wishing Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:24:32pm |
Hillary Hoards will help...about 7 million of em pulling the lever for McCain
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MJBrutus Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:24:53pm |
re: #286 uscmsne
On the subject of Palin: that's horseshit. It's a lose-lose. She fires that turd, she's guilty of impropriety for getting involved in her sisters divorce. Well, she's guilty of letting her husband get involved. If she doesn't fire him, then she's culpable in ensuring that her sister has a fat state-paid alimony check for the rest of the sisters life. And what bothers me the most is that people are defending the trooper who tasered his on son, was drinking in a squad car, made death threats to his wife and in-laws. In what universe is this that a POS like this isn't fired on the spot? The biggest crime, in my opinion, is that only her cabinet guy Monagen (-2 sp.) has been fired.
He wasn't fired because he belongs to a strong labor union. Get used to it, unions are going to explode after the card check law is passed.
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jetprop Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:25:02pm |
re: #281 Racer X
I hear ya.
I did not hear McCain "endorse Obama" like some here have suggested.
I am disappointed MORE in McCain's so called "supporters".
Way to have the man's back guys.
Good point.
It's going to get ugly over the next few weeks. I think the left is going to get even more shrill. Try even harder to demoralize us. We've got to hang tough and keep a steady hand on the helm.
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jamie Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:25:41pm |
re: #67 eon
Anybody want to bet that the (Democratic-controlled) Alaska legislature's next move will be an attempted impeachment?
Both houses of Alaska's legislature are controlled by Republicans.
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StPatrick Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:25:49pm |
re: #258 MJBrutus
I am a fan of JMac's "puritanical sense of propriety". However, he seems to have lost his urge to fight. There is nothing improper about explaining to the people why you, as opposed to the terrorist-befriending, socialist-sympathizing, race-baiting, Daley Machine naif, should be their president. Senator McCain has allowed his opposition to define honor and decency in this election, and has allowed them to blunt, if not completely suppress, his (and our) strongest objections in the process. Country first, indeed. The country needs the guy who told his captors to piss off back.
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stuiec Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:25:55pm |
re: #289 joecitizen
left OR right, a moronic asshole is STILL a moronic asshole..
Agreed. But don't let the moronic assholes on either side bring you down. There are far more good guys on our side than on theirs -- I am firmly convinced of that.
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kansas Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:26:38pm |
re: #305 jetprop
Good point.
It's going to get ugly over the next few weeks. I think the left is going to get even more shrill. Try even harder to demoralize us. We've got to hang tough and keep a steady hand on the helm.
Just think how ugly it will get if Obama loses.
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JacksonTn Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:26:46pm |
re: #279 Dalibama
This is too much for me. I'm not voting. It's not like my vote counts anyways. (MA) I can avoid standing in line in my moonbat town.
I've been toying with this idea for awhile but now I'm serious.
McCain cares more about himself and his likabilty factor than he does his country.
Dinged you down ......... and your avatar sucks......
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The Shadow Do Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:26:51pm |
re: #176 FinallyHere
I never planned to vote for McCain, but I will vote against Obama.
I do not want to share the blame for disaster that Obama will bring on the USA, Israel, and whatever is left from the West.
And there you have it. Neither candidate is acceptable. Voters are voting in self defense, on both sides.
However it goes, the next four years will be even more contentious than the last eight. I think the dichotomy between the America is evil/Americas is good of our politics is irreconcilable. To McCain's credit he felt, and still feels, that he can pull us together but this is probably delusional. I caught a few minutes of Praeger in my travels today. He said the country has not been so divided since the 1850's when the issue was slavery. I think that's right.
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Outrider Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:27:00pm |
re: #272 libertexian
So the election is over. Just like that, McCain throws in the towel. Please unsubscribe me and remove any evidence I have ever participated at LGF. I think I see brown shirts gathering in the street now.
Over and out.
Bubye
Sheesh. Good bye and don't slam the door on your way out.
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Salem Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:27:08pm |
re: #24 Killgore Trout
Dude, check out the clip in context....
McCain booed after telling crowd to be respectful to Obama
Check out the lady in red just before the money quote from McCain, "I can't trust him. I've read about him. He's an arab."
I'm among the first to critisize McCain here but he's scolding his audience for being uninformed and stupid. They put him in a tough spot. McCain supporters are doing a lot of damage. It wasn't that long ago that was a left wing phenomenon. The right has it now too. We have serious problems.
Well gee, he could have just said he's not an arab and left it at that. If you chose to believe it wasn't a bungle to say what he did, that's up to you. he should be saying an Obama presidency would be an unmitigated disaster, because that's almost certainly true.
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Strike Hornet Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:27:16pm |
re: #172 StPatrick
What kind of strange reality is this? Only 50 years ago, Barry O (ignoring race for the purpose of the example) would have been laughed off the stage while running for any office, within any party. We used to respect military service and hold those without accomplishments in low regard. We are truly in Bizarro world.
40 years of America hating, hippie, marxist, socialist college professors brainwashing young minds takes it toll...see: UK for a glimpse of the future Amerika under Obama, Pelosi, Reid
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Age Of Freedom Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:27:31pm |
re: #180 Charles
Wow, a -6 rating on this post. That's OK, I'm not taking it personally.
This thread should be deleted, if not updated with the source video to show the whole picture that shows McCain infinite integrity.
Right now, you should take it personally. This thread as of now *IS* totally enabling the left wing's distortions and misquotations of his answers. You managed to actually turn people away from John McCain, without them even bothering to attempt to realize what really happened.
I'm just shocked how people fall in line to bash McCain. Let's just all find every left wing smear on John McCain, be upset with him, and vote for 0bama. And converge with the Kos.
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Intrepid Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:27:34pm |
re: #272 libertexian
So the election is over. Just like that, McCain throws in the towel. Please unsubscribe me and remove any evidence I have ever participated at LGF. I think I see brown shirts gathering in the street now.
Over and out.
Bubye
I never say anything like this, but I think I will this time: You are a pussy.
And good riddance.
/spit
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tripletdad Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:27:40pm |
Wish the (R) ticket was the other way around...maybe in 4 years.
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Biff Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:28:09pm |
re: #288 stuiec
re: #275 uptight
The question hangs on a knife edge: will the voters decide things are so bad that they vote in the Democrat just for the sake of change, or will they decide things are so bad that they vote in the Republican because the Democrat is too risky, being unknown and inexperienced?
That is the right question. Unfortunately, it didn't ahve to come to this. The GOP could have offered up far superior candidates. McCainis just too much like the Democrats. We knew it all along. He should have never entered the race. He is now just an enabler to the lying terror/symp Obama.
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Colonel Panik Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:28:24pm |
re: #208 Killgore Trout
I don't know what to think about the "Kill him" claims. Last I heard the reporter wasn't returning calls from the Secret Service. Who knows what happened. But I think part of the reason we have this McCain quote tonight is because his audience is getting out of control. This might be part of a growing trend.
I think the "kill him" epithet was directed at Bill Ayers. It happened right after Ayers' name was mentioned. Assuming the person was genuine and not an astroturfer.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:28:36pm |
re: #299 Charles
I gave you a plus for courage. At Dkos they would have deleted diaries and banned people for deviating from prescribed talking points.
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TheMatrix31 Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:28:49pm |
You guys have ignored my theory that I posted a little higher in the thread --
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#212 -
"WAIT......could it be taken that McCain was saying "You don't have to be scared of Obama as President" as in because it won't happen and "There's no fucking way I'm letting him become President"?"
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Abu Al-Poopypants Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:28:52pm |
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Hard Right Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:28:53pm |
Folks, there is a concerted effort to suppress Conservatives votes. Know how? By convincing us the election is over, obama has won and our vote won't matter. Don't let the moby's win.
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Jaydee Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:29:01pm |
Now is not the time to go soft on Obama fhs.
McCain is proving to be a complete jerk.
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StPatrick Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:29:06pm |
re: #315 Strike Hornet
40 years of America hating, hippie, marxist, socialist college professors brainwashing young minds takes it toll...see: UK for a glimpse of the future Amerika under Obama, Pelosi, Reid
If you haven't read "While Europe Slept", do so yesterday.
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Outrider Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:29:17pm |
re: #281 Racer X
I hear ya.
I did not hear McCain "endorse Obama" like some here have suggested.
I am disappointed MORE in McCain's so called "supporters".
Way to have the man's back guys.
Exactly! Warm weather supporters.
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Thanos Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:29:30pm |
re: #306 jamie
Both houses of Alaska's legislature are controlled by Republicans.
But many are Ted Stevens Republicans. The long Knives are out for Sarah for taking them down, in her own party, in her own state. This is payback for the ethics probes against Stevens and Young.
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eon Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:30:12pm |
re: #253 Hard Right
If he disconnected the mag safety it would allow the gun to go off even without the magazine.
Taking the magazine safety out of a P-35 takes a pin drift, a small hammer, and about five minutes if you know what you're doing.
The military reason for the magazine-out safety is, of course, range safety. I've always found it interesting that the French Army (M1935A 7.65 Long), Belgians, and British (both P-35 9mm) felt the need for the device, while the Scandinavian armies (Sweden & Finland- Lahti, Norway- Colt 1911, Denmark- Bergmann) and Poland (VIS 35) felt no need of such an extra complication. And let's not even talk about the Wehrmacht, who felt that if you managed to accidentally shoot yourself with your own sidearm, you had only yourself to blame.
In law-enforcement or self-defense use, the magazine safety should not be disabled if present on a weapon as manufactured. First of all, for legal liability reasons, but more importantly, I learned a long time ago that there is a real, sound tactical reason for the magazine-out safety. Namely, that if you are in a struggle with a goblin who is trying to take your weapon from you (and a lot of them learn how from other goblins in stir), as a last resort if you are losing control of it, you can dump the magazine and he can't cap you with your own sidearm.
At which point you take out your backup, and continue the mission, one way or the other.
cheers
eon
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Darth_K Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:30:31pm |
It's about time, those rallies were getting really rowdy with people yelling "Kill him!" and "terrorist!" I mean come on, it's about time he said something. Can you imagine if at Obama rallies you heard people yelling that stuff about McCain? I was shocked he didn't counter that earlier stuff.
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Taqiyyotomist Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:30:58pm |
Charles, you almost need a (+) and (-) button, like you have, but also a "Makes me Happy" button and "Makes me Angry" button. That way folks could upding the post, glad you posted it...
Then again most political posts lately would have a (+) and a big frowny face I think. "TY for posting that...although now I want to spit nails."
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:31:07pm |
re: #316 Age Of Freedom
I'm one of McCain's fiercest critics here yet I'm defending him (somewhat) on this thread. LGF isn't a shill for the GOP, it never has been.
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tasteslikechicken Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:31:28pm |
re: #250 JacksonTn
You are a f*cking idiot ....... you were probably voting for Obama anyway
I will not accept defeat ever ......... you may bend over to socialism ....... I will not.
such a cleaver, learned response. obviously, because mccain is a horrible, senile, rino candidate, I must be a marxist.
so exactly how are you going to resist when dear leader obama is president? with 60 senators to do his socialist bidding?
?
after obama, carter will seem a statesman.
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Basho Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:31:35pm |
re: #325 Hard Right
Folks, there is a concerted effort to suppress Conservatives votes. Know how? By convincing us the election is over, obama has won and our vote won't matter. Don't let the moby's win.
This is absolutely true. I remember after the Dem convention, Obama gained a couple of points at the polls. The next day I saw newspapers on the street with a FRONT PAGE story about how Obama is leading in the polls. Talk about inventing a story or creating a perception.
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JustMyView Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:32:02pm |
re: #243 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
JMV- Using pseudo-conserative David Brooks as a source? ROFLMAO! That's the best you can do? What, Maureen Dudd, I mean Dowd, wasn't available? Gimme a break!
Laugh if you want, but I thought the interesting part of that piece was the paragraph re which party is getting the political contributions of educated professionals.
The Republicans have alienated whole professions. Lawyers now donate to the Democratic Party over the Republican Party at 4-to-1 rates. With doctors, it’s 2-to-1. With tech executives, it’s 5-to-1. With investment bankers, it’s 2-to-1. It took talent for Republicans to lose the banking community.
It could be that all these well-educated, well-heeled professionals are wild-eyed socialists, but it seems a little unlikely.
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MJBrutus Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:32:09pm |
re: #308 StPatrick
Senator McCain has allowed his opposition to define honor and decency in this election
I would agree with you if this were not routine for him. Remember, this is the "clean government" crusader who sacrificed our free speech with McCain-Feingold. This is the "honorable" man who got all apologetic at his own warmup act because he called his opponent by his full name. This is the "honorable" man who turned on the GOP in NC by denouncing a perfectly truthful add about Barack Hussein Obama's (there, I said it) relationship with his own pastor (who he didn't even disown yet, but was in full excuse mode at the time).
McCain's opposition did none of those things. His wounds are all self-inflicted.
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rw in san diego Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:32:11pm |
re: #93 MandyManners
Sen. McCain, BHO SCARES THE SHIT OUTTA' ME. He's a freakin' commie who plans on fucking up this nation six ways from Sunday.
I wish you'd email that to McCain.
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Quad Mocha Matti Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:32:26pm |
Hello Lizards,
All I can say to Mr. McCain (if I had the opportunity to bend his ear) is something borrowed (most unfortunately) from the flighty O:
ENOUGH!
I can't bear to watch the ewetoob video as I'm already in a foul mood from personal matters. My head is about to either explode or implode. In either case, I better make sure it happens soon, and keep my frustrations in check. Of course, Ms. Andrea Mitchell of PMSLSDNBC believes that anything louder than a gnat's whisper expressed by a conservative is to be considered an act of violence, or so I have heard.
Is Mr. McCain incapable of acting upon the outright pleas of his reluctant, frustrated backers? Can it be attributed to some sort of Stockholm Syndrome? Fight, Man Fight!
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StPatrick Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:32:37pm |
re: #325 Hard Right
Only rethuglikkkans suppress votes, preventing the disenfranchised from having their voice heard in our elections. They cry and lament for aid and supplication! Praise the Great Leader for giving the poor, and even the dead, a voice! For lo, he hath teamed with ACORN and given those beyond the grave a stake, hath made them whole again, and, verily, he shall be anointed well for his courage.
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jetprop Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:33:25pm |
re: #323 TheMatrix31
You guys have ignored my theory that I posted a little higher in the thread --
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#212 -"WAIT......could it be taken that McCain was saying "You don't have to be scared of Obama as President" as in because it won't happen and "There's no fucking way I'm letting him become President"?"
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Missed that earlier. Interesting analogy.
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EE Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:33:26pm |
Senator Joe Lieberman, the Dem candidate for Vice President 8 years ago, said that America's enemies will not fear a President Obama.
[Link: forums.tvland.com...]
That scares me enormously.
If we put into power the modern version of Neville Chamberlain, the combination of enemy audacity and presidential cowardice or just do-nothingness would be a very bad thing.
We do not need a president who talks a good talk while our cities are nuked either by ballistic missile from Iran, or by suitcase bombs that the Iranian mullahs gave to terrorists.
These are dangerous times, and not having the very best president is very, very scary.
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MJBrutus Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:34:20pm |
re: #323 TheMatrix31
That is because it has no merit. If you saw more of the event you would have seen McCain referring to the One as honorable (spit), etc. and that is why we needn't fear him in the WH.
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JustMyView Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:34:57pm |
re: #247 Intrepid
Ayers and ACORN have obviously hit a nerve, and that's why the libs are out swinging! It is evident in how they released the Troopergate thing today, in concert with what is obviously a plant at the McCain rally today.
The date for the release of that report was announced a long time ago. It had been scheduled to be released at the end of this month, but the date was moved up so that it'd be at least a little further away from the election. You can look it up.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:35:01pm |
re: #282 Slumbering Behemoth
One little out of context sound bite and some folks go ape-shit-head-long into despair.
It was a dumb thing to say, in deep blue Minnesota, when you're behind in all the battleground States with 25 days to go. What are the odds it'll end up in an Obama ad?
/it's more unneeded aggravation than despair, I'll vote for him in spite of himself
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Cartman Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:35:24pm |
re: #291 stuiec
Fuck him -- MAKE him win anyway and force him to DEAL with it.
As Rush likes to say, we've got to drag Yosemite Sam across the finish line.
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Slumbering Behemoth Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:35:37pm |
re: #300 Racer X
Thank you!
I need a beer.
If you can drink Icehouse (I'm cheap), than this one is on me.
BTW, you got comment #300...
LIZ-ARDS! WHAT IS YOUR PROFESSION!
Seriously, I am growing weary of some of the spineless whining I've read lately.
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Strike Hornet Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:35:41pm |
re: #304 MJBrutus
He wasn't fired because he belongs to a strong labor union. Get used to it, unions are going to explode after the card check law is passed.
I heard a quote from that POS Trooper where he said "I'm a State Trooper, there is nothing they can do to me..I can do whatever I want and they can't touch me"..
What a frightening commentary from a sworn law enforcement officer and protector of the public...anotherwords, I can abuse my power as a police officer and there is nothing anyone can do...
Stunning how this POS is still on active duty...
I think the bigger issue is why wasn't this clearly mentally unstable, out of control cop not fired?
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Biff Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:35:47pm |
re: #316 Age Of Freedom
Age, I didn't have to hear the context, I've watched both debates. McCain is wimping out, playing the Senatorial high road against one of the most dangerous people of our generation. The fate of the nation rests in McCain's hands.
Get in the game John. Be the great American Navy hero.
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jonturner Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:35:50pm |
re: #131 Abu Al-Poopypants
Maybe he's decided in the past couple of weeks that he doesn't want to be the President while we're trying to climb out of the Barney Frank economy.
Perhaps, but it's not his decision to make. It's up to the voters at this point.
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kansas Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:35:55pm |
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#212 -
"WAIT......could it be taken that McCain was saying "You don't have to be scared of Obama as President" as in because it won't happen and "There's no fucking way I'm letting him become President"?"
Yeah, he could've meant it that way. Or not. More likely not. More likely he meant in a "bipartisan" fashion because he is worried after whacking Chris Dodd being back in the Senate is not gonna be as much fun.
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Hard Right Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:35:56pm |
re: #330 eon
Taking the magazine safety out of a P-35 takes a pin drift, a small hammer, and about five minutes if you know what you're doing.
The military reason for the magazine-out safety is, of course, range safety. I've always found it interesting that the French Army (M1935A 7.65 Long), Belgians, and British (both P-35 9mm) felt the need for the device, while the Scandinavian armies (Sweden & Finland- Lahti, Norway- Colt 1911, Denmark- Bergmann) and Poland (VIS 35) felt no need of such an extra complication. And let's not even talk about the Wehrmacht, who felt that if you managed to accidentally shoot yourself with your own sidearm, you had only yourself to blame.
In law-enforcement or self-defense use, the magazine safety should not be disabled if present on a weapon as manufactured. First of all, for legal liability reasons, but more importantly, I learned a long time ago that there is a real, sound tactical reason for the magazine-out safety. Namely, that if you are in a struggle with a goblin who is trying to take your weapon from you (and a lot of them learn how from other goblins in stir), as a last resort if you are losing control of it, you can dump the magazine and he can't cap you with your own sidearm.
At which point you take out your backup, and continue the mission, one way or the other.
cheers
eon
Cylinder & Slide has a "wide" hammer that eliminates the mag safety. However some scumbag attorney or prosecuter may use the elimnation of a safety device against you. That's part of why my Brownings have their mag safeties. That and if someone manages to take it away from me...
I LOVE mine, but I'm blown away by how much they've gone up in price since they are no longer made by FM.
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Racer X Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:36:41pm |
I would totally be OK if this entire thread was deleted.
I'm disgusted at some of the wimps who've crawled out of the woodwork.
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FloridaAnole Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:36:44pm |
re: #153 FinallyHere
On the second thought, could it be a plant that tried to provoke McCain?
After all these MSM screams that McCain's supporters are crazy, one can suspect anything.
I read yesterday that the only reporter who wrote about the "kill him" shout was Dana Milbank of the WAPO; no one else heard the shout, which allegedly took place next to the press stand. No other reporter, either print or electronic, picked up on it. Therefore, it's quite possible that it never happened at all, or Dear Dana misheard a shout.
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Intrepid Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:37:33pm |
re: #279 Dalibama
This is too much for me. I'm not voting. It's not like my vote counts anyways. (MA) I can avoid standing in line in my moonbat town.
I've been toying with this idea for awhile but now I'm serious.
McCain cares more about himself and his likabilty factor than he does his country.
Yet again, another pussy. YOU care more for your own emotional balance than you do for your country.
If you can't man up and fight when fighting is called for, then go ahead and stay at home. The rest of us will fight for you. If we still lose in spite of it, we'll at least have our self respect and dignity for having done so.
You, on the other hand, will have a sense of cowardice.
/spit
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JacksonTn Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:37:41pm |
re: #334 tasteslikechicken
such a cleaver, learned response. obviously, because mccain is a horrible, senile, rino candidate, I must be a marxist.
so exactly how are you going to resist when dear leader obama is president? with 60 senators to do his socialist bidding?
?
after obama, carter will seem a statesman.
F*ck you ......... I will die fighting before I give up my land to socialism .......we country folks can survive ........
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Occasional Reader Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:37:44pm |
Drive-by post (for the moment):
I really don't see the big deal. It's perfectly appropriate for McCain to say he wants to run a respectful campaign, and to push back when someone says "I'm afraid, he's an Arab". McCain is running on decency, integrity, and honor. If he permits this sort of innuendo to go unchallenged, he throws that away.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:37:46pm |
re: #294 Biff
Mitt was a sensational candidate, and would have been the perfect GOP leader in these uncertain times, but he was rejected, primarily because he is a Morman. What a crock of shi__.
/you can pretty much pin that on Huckabee
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Hard Right Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:37:50pm |
re: #335 Basho
This is absolutely true. I remember after the Dem convention, Obama gained a couple of points at the polls. The next day I saw newspapers on the street with a FRONT PAGE story about how Obama is leading in the polls. Talk about inventing a story or creating a perception.
I've seen them attacking Conservative sites trying to make us think it's over. They've pulled out all the stops folks. Power at any cost is their goal.
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DistantThunder Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:37:55pm |
re: #218 tasteslikechicken
Sadly, but predictably, McCain reveals himself as a senile idiot. How the hell did this loser get nominated? Any conservative who voted for this pile of dung in the primaries should be taken out and shot. The Dems nominate a Marxist and "our" nominee can't bother to point that inconvenient fact out.
President Obama. With a fillabuster-proof majority. God help us.
The end of America.
More people voted for Mitt or Huckabee
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calcajun Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:38:48pm |
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StPatrick Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:38:52pm |
re: #342 EE
Senator Joe Lieberman, the Dem candidate for Vice President 8 years ago, said that America's enemies will not fear a President Obama.
[Link: forums.tvland.com...]That scares me enormously.
If we put into power the modern version of Neville Chamberlain, the combination of enemy audacity and presidential cowardice or just do-nothingness would be a very bad thing.
We do not need a president who talks a good talk while our cities are nuked either by ballistic missile from Iran, or by suitcase bombs that the Iranian mullahs gave to terrorists.
These are dangerous times, and not having the very best president is very, very scary.
We don't need to worry about evil abroad - while they're an issue, after the election, they might just lay back and watch the fireworks. We have plenty of "upstanding" alleged Americans who will be happy to bring discord and stealth (along with not-so-stealthy) socialism here from the inside. Iran and their ilk can save their money - our neighbors and fellow citizens can do more to erode America from within than they ever could from without. Watch, wait, and provide the coup de grace when the time is right.
I need a beer, even I'm depressing myself.
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Carolyn Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:39:07pm |
re: #341 jetprop
Missed that earlier. Interesting analogy.
That is not the way he meant it.
He went on to say we should respect BHO. That he is a good guy.
I will support McCain in every way I can, I am active locally.
I am venting among fellow conservatives. I just want my candidate to get up off the mat and box that sob some. Don't be picking him up off the mat and wiping his brow.
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Racer X Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:39:25pm |
re: #348 Slumbering Behemoth
If you can drink Icehouse (I'm cheap), than this one is on me.
BTW, you got comment #300...
LIZ-ARDS! WHAT IS YOUR PROFESSION!
Seriously, I am growing weary of some of the spineless whining I've read lately.
Some people here need to seriously watch that movie again - tonight!
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DoubleU Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:39:50pm |
re: #75 Charles
Is it too late for Sarah Palin and John McCain to switch places?
You mean because she is the one with the balls?
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swamprat Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:39:51pm |
re: #286 uscmsne
Only in America, could a person be vilified for trying to fire a person who was drinking while driving and who TASERED a freakin' child. The fact that anyone thinks that is is a valid complaint just shows how twisted we have become. Also you have to wonder what sort of person would even consider this a count against her. Frankly I think she deserves a medal. I hope Mothers Against Drunk Drivers is taking names. You have to admire the democrats absolute, unmitigated gall. If this is their best shot, they should have quit.
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MJBrutus Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:40:23pm |
re: #363 DistantThunder
More people voted for Mitt or Huckabee
Mitt was my man. But Mac had it sewn up before the NC primary, so I gave my op Chaos vote to Shrillery. I ran to the local clinic immediately afterwards for a tetanus shot and a delousing shower.
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Scion9 Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:40:37pm |
re: #295 Killgore Trout
Sure, there's a double standard. Life is unfair. McCain is a weak candidate and his supporters are crazy. The press loves Obama. That's the reality we're handed. I blame McCain for his weakness and his supporters for their stupidity. I blame the press for being uncritical of Obama. Kepp blame where it belongs. Our misfortune is our own.
You blame the press for being uncritical of Obama, and you blame McCain for his weakness and his supporters for being crazy and stupid. Apparently though you don't 'blame' Obama or his supporters for anything but that.
You are subscribing to the double standard that you have been fed, just like the rest of America and have been peddling to the rest of us. No thanks.
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Quad Mocha Matti Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:40:44pm |
re: #349 Strike Hornet
I heard a quote from that POS Trooper where he said "I'm a State Trooper, there is nothing they can do to me..I can do whatever I want and they can't touch me"..
What a frightening commentary from a sworn law enforcement officer and protector of the public...anotherwords, I can abuse my power as a police officer and there is nothing anyone can do...
Stunning how this POS is still on active duty...
I think the bigger issue is why wasn't this clearly mentally unstable, out of control cop not fired?
Sadly, there are more than a few isolated individuals that have this attitude, no matter what profession...and I'm not even alluding to government weasels.
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Hard Right Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:40:51pm |
re: #334 tasteslikechicken
such a cleaver, learned response. obviously, because mccain is a horrible, senile, rino candidate, I must be a marxist.
so exactly how are you going to resist when dear leader obama is president? with 60 senators to do his socialist bidding?
?
after obama, carter will seem a statesman.
Yeah, that's it, give up like some prison bitch. I have no use for defeatists. It's not over until the vote. In other words, go whine elsewhere.
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Dalibama Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:41:16pm |
re: #301 Hard Right
I've been a conservative republican before you were born. I've always put my money where my mouth is and this year was no exception.
Staying home isn't the same thing as voting for Obama when you live in MA. If McCain had any chance of winning I'd change my mind. The screenname and avatar are obvious satire.
Actually, if I could pick a new screenname, it would be: OBombAyers
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Colonel Panik Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:41:31pm |
re: #262 yah
Supposedly there is going to be a MASS showing of UFO's on Oct 14. Like thousands of them all over the world and they will show their power and take over the world.
After this election cycle, I kinda look forward to it.
That does it. This is war. If any of those g_d d_mned Zeta Reticulans show up on my proppity, they're going to get a 7.62mm round right in the zyxxlyxx. I had a colonoscopy last year. I don't need another rectal probing.
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wrenchwench Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:41:59pm |
re: #63 DistantThunder
I thought he officially is 3/8's arab and 1/8th black + 1/2 white
re: #165 DistantThunder
She called him an Arab not a muslim and I think he is mostly white some arab and a tiny bit black. I think she was right.
There is no good source for that, and there is a good source against it.
I’m tired of the insinuations about Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) because his dead father was a Muslim. I’m tired of the insinuations about his middle name—Hussein—and the racist/bigoted insinuations that I’ve seen on the Right that flow from there. I’m even tired of the assertion that the senator isn’t even really a black American (whatever that means to a group of people who are demonstrably of mixed-race for the most part) because he has a white mother and a non-American black—i.e. African—father and, yes, since his father and my father were/are of the same tribe and nationality, I take that last bit of information quite personally.
RTWT
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Intrepid Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:42:08pm |
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JacksonTn Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:42:21pm |
re: #375 Dalibama
I've been a conservative republican before you were born. I've always put my money where my mouth is and this year was no exception.
Staying home isn't the same thing as voting for Obama when you live in MA. If McCain had any chance of winning I'd change my mind. The screenname and avatar are obvious satire.
Actually, if I could pick a new screenname, it would be: OBombAyers
Your avatar still sucks ........
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Cartman Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:42:29pm |
re: #336 JustMyView
The Republicans have alienated whole professions. Lawyers now donate to the Democratic Party over the Republican Party at 4-to-1 rates. With doctors, it’s 2-to-1. With tech executives, it’s 5-to-1. With investment bankers, it’s 2-to-1. It took talent for Republicans to lose the banking community.
I don't believe those stats for a second. I call bullshit.
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Hard Right Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:42:58pm |
re: #375 Dalibama
I've been a conservative republican before you were born. I've always put my money where my mouth is and this year was no exception.
Staying home isn't the same thing as voting for Obama when you live in MA. If McCain had any chance of winning I'd change my mind. The screenname and avatar are obvious satire.
Actually, if I could pick a new screenname, it would be: OBombAyers
The difference is I won't give up until I'm dead. Vote or STFU. I have no tolerance for those tht won't fight.
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Occasional Reader Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:42:58pm |
re: #376 Colonel Panik
I don't need another rectal probing.
Big cultural misunderstanding, Colonel. That's just how they shake hands.
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Age Of Freedom Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:44:17pm |
re: #333 Killgore Trout
I'm one of McCain's fiercest critics here yet I'm defending him (somewhat) on this thread. LGF isn't a shill for the GOP, it never has been.
I didn't refer to the GOP at all, dunno how you got there.
There's a fine line between criticizing and bashing, although you're not doing either. In fact, thanks to the video you linked, we can see what REALLY happened.
There's lots of scorn against him in this thread. No surprise, this thread is setting that tone by enabling a smear video that's misquoting John.
People then blindly line up to dump their vote, or call out how they're disappointed in John. Complete knee jerks. No one takes their time to watch the full video and realize otherwise.
I wish the minus I gave this thread could update it with the real video pointing out that it's all BS and McCain should rather be admired.
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Colonel Panik Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:45:12pm |
re: #382 Occasional Reader
Big cultural misunderstanding, Colonel. That's just how they shake hands.
LOL. Good thing I wasn't drinking.
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Intrepid Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:46:22pm |
re: #310 kansas
Just think how ugly it will get if Obama loses.
So you want Obama to win? Is that what you're saying? Because it will get ugly? There may be riots in the streets, true. But do you actually want Obama to win?
You've been gloomy for some time now, kansas. Do you want Obama to win? Is that what you're after?
Because I don't want that to happen. And I'm damned sure gonna fight to make sure it doesn't. You can bitch and moan and whine all you want, but I'm gonna fight! FIGHT to the very end.
Give up if you want, since you're obviously wanting to.
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Elcid Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:46:32pm |
As 'Dandy' Don Meredith use to sing on Monday Night Football..."Turn out the lights the party's over"
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eon Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:46:45pm |
re: #353 Hard Right
Cylinder & Slide has a "wide" hammer that eliminates the mag safety. However some scumbag attorney or prosecuter may use the elimnation of a safety device against you. That's part of why my Brownings have their mag safeties. That and if someone manages to take it away from me...
I LOVE mine, but I'm blown away by how much they've gone up in price since they are no longer made by FM.
Check out the FEG made PJK-9HP, from Hungary. It's the 1960s-era commercial FN, all steel, high-luster blue, original-length butt (which means it can use surplus military 13-round magazines, unlike the post-1992 FN made version with the longer 14-round versions), and sells for about $400 MSRP most places today. I bought mine seven years ago for $215, brand new at the local stocking dealer. It even feeds hollow-points right out of the box (mine likes Federal 124 grainers).
cheers
eon
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BigJohn Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:46:50pm |
I think the election is still too close to call. The middle 10%er's are still undecided. We have the PUMA's and the Bradley Effectors. I'm not giving up.
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Jamie Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:46:54pm |
re: #329 Thanos
But many are Ted Stevens Republicans. The long Knives are out for Sarah for taking them down, in her own party, in her own state. This is payback for the ethics probes against Stevens and Young.
That may very well be, but the assertion that the legislature is Democratic-controlled is incorrect.
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StPatrick Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:47:23pm |
re: #377 wrenchwench
The original people making accusations about Obama not being "black enough" were likely neither republicans, current Obama supporters, or LGF readers. See Jesse's "cut his nuts off" quote. As for the rest of it, his genetic background should be irrelevant, especially compared with his ideology, his affinity for radicals, and his lack of *any* kind of track record to back up his ridiculous claims of bipartisanship, etc.
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Biff Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:48:18pm |
The election is certainly not over, but John needs to here the message from every quarter, and he should not be putting down his supporters who are trying to set him straight. He's the one who wants the town meetings, yet he is fighting with the folks who are begging with him to take Obama on, to call Obama out, to go to war.
John is having a real problem telling the difference between the Senate floor and the Presidential campaign trail. He seems much more competent arguing with Republicans than Democrats.
I will vote for McCain/Palin. Almost every Republican will, but this election is in the hands of the supermarket tabloid readers who either want a pretty face or blood in the water.
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Basho Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:49:36pm |
re: #394 Biff
The election is certainly not over, but John needs to here the message from every quarter, and he should not be putting down his supporters who are trying to set him straight.
That supporter was a crazy ol' bigot. I could deal if we can't count on that person's vote.
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Slumbering Behemoth Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:49:45pm |
re: #345 Killian Bundy
It was a dumb thing to say, in deep blue Minnesota, when you're behind in all the battleground States with 25 days to go. What are the odds it'll end up in an Obama ad?
/it's more unneeded aggravation than despair, I'll vote for him in spite of himself
He needed to say something in response to "red dress", but he could have said something much better. Instead he gave TPM and other outlets a horrible (for him) sound bite.
Yeah, unneeded aggravation for some, but if you read some of the comments in this thread you can see there are others in full blown despair over an out of context sound bite.
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Age Of Freedom Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:50:09pm |
re: #350 Biff
Age, I didn't have to hear the context, I've watched both debates. McCain is wimping out, playing the Senatorial high road against one of the most dangerous people of our generation. The fate of the nation rests in McCain's hands.
Get in the game John. Be the great American Navy hero.
Are you aware of what's the scenario in the video?
He's talking to a supporting but incited crowd, and while I agree that 0bama is going to be plain turd for the US as president, McCain responsibly answered to the questions people posed on him.
This is the full video with the context of why he answered what he did, which shows how easy people fall for smears.
[Link: hotair.com...]
John may be too soft, and I hate to agree with that, but this has NOTHING to do with his answers here.
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Intrepid Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:51:07pm |
Wait, Charles - you got this from "Talking Points Memo"? That's a noted lefty site!
It's not Bill O'Reilly's site - it's an "anti-O'Reilly" and Anti-Conservative site.
Please tell me you didn't get this from TPM!
[Link: www.talkingpointsmemo.com...]
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NY Nana Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:51:59pm |
re: #248 HelloDare
'Shooting the messenger' drives me up the wall.
It is exactly as you said. Yes, there are spinoffs that indeed deserve a -, or more, if it were possible in some cases...
I did not ding this thread either way, as I had not decided what to do.
After reading this far? I am going to ding it up, as this thread may make a lot of us furious, but it is what it is about that is doing this, not because it is a bad thread.
Anyone who is neutral at this point, in what IMHO is the most important since we fought the War of Independence?*** WAKE UP!
I am just numb at this point. And now the verdict by the Alaskan Ethics whatever re Gov. Palin? I fear that this will be the straw that broke the camel's back, and will deflect the electorates' attention away from the real crime that is Obama....
***/I couldn't fight in that war..no women allowed, and Betsy Ross sewed better than I did.
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Basho Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:52:43pm |
re: #398 Intrepid
He said in the post that TPM is all over it. Meaning they are using this against McCain in support of Obama.
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tasteslikechicken Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:53:42pm |
re: #359 JacksonTn
F*ck you ......... I will die fighting before I give up my land to socialism .......we country folks can survive ........
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
Have fun with your bravado.
I didn't vote the turd into our candidate. As the lesser of evils, I hope he wins. But McCain is simply the slightly slower, more senile road to socialism.
I pray that we can see a Fred12 candidacy. Or Palin, or Jindal, or a real Federalist. I pray that the country can survive that long.
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Intrepid Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:55:15pm |
re: #334 tasteslikechicken
such a cleaver, learned response. obviously, because mccain is a horrible, senile, rino candidate, I must be a marxist.
so exactly how are you going to resist when dear leader obama is president? with 60 senators to do his socialist bidding?
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after obama, carter will seem a statesman.
Excuse me - I know what "senile" is. And McCain is not senile. However, you are obviously stupid, in that you feel it is acceptable to support a candidate when he/she says exactly what you want, but when they go slightly off script, you can toss them over just like that.
Get.Over.Yourself. And support the only ticket that has any chance of defeating Obama/Biden!
That would be McCain/Palin.
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yah Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:55:35pm |
re: #382 Occasional Reader
I don't need another rectal probing.
Big cultural misunderstanding, Colonel. That's just how they shake hands.
They were passing out the KY jelly on an earlier thread. Should have grabbed some.
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Scion9 Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:55:48pm |
re: #336 JustMyView
It could be that all these well-educated, well-heeled professionals are wild-eyed socialists, but it seems a little unlikely.
Or it could be that 9 times out of 10 people grow up with the political ideologies of their parents, and 9 times out of 10 if a parent is sending their kid to college to be an 'educated professional' they are Democrats, because they are the party of the rich and have been.
Republicans have never been the 'banker' party. Teddy Roosevelt was their biggest enemy, and Woodrow Wilson their biggest friend, and its continued that way practically unabated for a hundred years. The Dems have good PR, and have rewritten history. Bankers and big business don't want a free market, and they hate anti-Trust which is still a Republican platform strong suite.
The Dems want to Nationalize, which involves stifling competition, and granting virtual monopolies to their friends.
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wrenchwench Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:56:08pm |
re: #393 StPatrick
When I looked into it months ago, the source of the speculation was one blog by a guy who's last name was Lamb, IIRC, and he said he knew which drawer in what office in Kenya the confirmation could be found in, and he had several "reasons" he couldn't say more or pursue it himself. I didn't feel like looking for that again, or giving his blog another hit.
And, as you say, it's irrelevant. Focus on the real stuff, and don't be a kook that McCain feels the need to apologize for.
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JustMyView Fri, Oct 10, 2008 6:57:17pm |
re: #380 Cartman
I don't believe those stats for a second. I call bullshit.
If you doubt them, it's up to you to prove them wrong. Or perhaps you can write to Brooks and find out where he got the info. Should be available through the Federal Election Commission.
It makes no sense to dismiss data out of hand. You have to have some foundation for invalidating it. What would Brooks's interest be in presenting false info? He wants conservatives to succeed.
