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Austrian Fascist Leader Dies in Car Crash

World | Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 8:46:44 am PST

Neo-fascist Austrian politician Joerg Haider has been killed in a car crash.

Austrian far-right politician Joerg Haider has been killed in a road accident, police reports say.

Haider died near Klagenfurt in Carinthia, his political stronghold. He was driving alone when his car came off the road and he suffered severe head and chest injuries, police told the Austrian APA news agency.

The 58-year-old was a former leader of the Austrian Freedom Party, and was known for his anti-immigration and anti-EU policies.

Police investigators in Klagenfurt told the BBC that investigations into the crash were under way.
He had reportedly been due to attend his mother’s 90th birthday celebrations later in the day.

“For us this is the end of the world,” the deputy leader of Haider’s Alliance for Austria’s Future, Stefan Petzner, told Austrian news agency, APA.

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1 Noam Sayin'  10/11/08 8:48:10 am reply quote 5

Careful, everyone.

2 SpartanWoman  10/11/08 8:48:36 am reply quote 4

May all fascists die of road accidents and save the world from their goals.

3 elandadem  10/11/08 8:48:47 am reply quote 0

Obama not Austrian!

Oops, sorry, I should have read the article. I saw fascist and just assumed.

4 MJ  10/11/08 8:50:56 am reply quote 5

Won't be long till they blame "the Jews".

5 Sharmuta  10/11/08 8:50:59 am reply quote 6

I will not miss him.

6 cicero05  10/11/08 8:51:02 am reply quote 6

"I hate Austrian Nazis."

7 Joo-LiZ  10/11/08 8:51:24 am reply quote 0

This isn't the party that was just voted into power, is it?

8 greggriffith  10/11/08 8:51:38 am reply quote 5

this is not a death you celebrate, but if this means the death of a movement, no harm in being pleased with that outcome.

9 wrenchwench  10/11/08 8:51:39 am reply quote 6
“For us this is the end of the world,”

And for the rest of us, perhaps not such a bad thing that the Alliance should suffer so.

10 Dark_Falcon  10/11/08 8:51:42 am reply quote 3

Good riddance to bad rubbish. I hope his party finds a new leader who leads them away from fascism to a sane conservative position.

11 billypaintbrush  10/11/08 8:53:27 am reply quote 3

no doubt Toonces remains at large

12 der_ich  10/11/08 8:53:36 am reply quote 0

“For us this is the end of the world,” - Dein Wort in Gottes Ohr, Herr Petzner.

13 MandyManners  10/11/08 8:53:51 am reply quote 0

Was the car pushed off the road?

14 jcm  10/11/08 8:53:55 am reply quote 7

His dogma got run over by his karma.

15 MandyManners  10/11/08 8:54:10 am reply quote 0

re: #11 billypaintbrush

no doubt Toonces remains at large

ROFLMAO!

16 FrogMarch  10/11/08 8:54:14 am reply quote 1

Remember - the far right and the far left meet on the political circle.

17 scullymj  10/11/08 8:54:16 am reply quote 0

Was he being chased by "paparazzi"?

18 Sizzlack  10/11/08 8:54:23 am reply quote 0
“For us this is the end of the world,” the deputy leader of Haider’s Alliance for Austria’s Future, Stefan Petzner, told Austrian news agency, APA.

Yep. Sucks to be a fascist.

19 Cicero05  10/11/08 8:54:28 am reply quote 0

"I hate Illinois Nazis too."

20 Killgore Trout  10/11/08 8:54:30 am reply quote 2

re: #13 MandyManners

He was passing on the right.
/Get it?

21 pingjockey  10/11/08 8:56:00 am reply quote 2

re: #20 Killgore TroutOuch!
BTW. Cavuto said he knows we're not in a depression cause the rest of the msm says we are! Heh.

22 der_ich  10/11/08 8:56:19 am reply quote 0

re: #7 Joo-LiZ

Austrians have the luxury of two fascistic parties: The FPÖ and the BZÖ (Haiders Party) both together share about 1/3 of the vote. It's not clear what coalition government there will be as far as I know....

23 Ringo the Gringo  10/11/08 8:56:26 am reply quote 2

Can't help but wonder if it really was an accident.

A man like him must have had some enemies.

24 MandyManners  10/11/08 8:56:47 am reply quote 0

re: #11 billypaintbrush

no doubt Toonces remains at large

I've a 28-second video but I fear it would offend.

25 Sharmuta  10/11/08 8:56:55 am reply quote 3

Will fjordman be in mourning? Wearing a black armband perhaps?

26 Teacake!  10/11/08 8:57:01 am reply quote 0

obama crimes. this sounds so very confusing - wtf?

27 MandyManners  10/11/08 8:57:08 am reply quote 0

re: #20 Killgore Trout

He was passing on the right.
/Get it?

Oh, yeah.

28 x-wing  10/11/08 8:57:20 am reply quote 0

re: #13 MandyManners

Was the car pushed off the road?

No, it just somehow "came off" the road.

/those Austrians

29 MandyManners  10/11/08 8:57:32 am reply quote 0

re: #23 Ringo the Gringo

Can't help but wonder if it really was an accident.

A man like him must have had some enemies.

Now there's only one leader of the fascists.

30 Steffan  10/11/08 8:57:36 am reply quote 0

It'd be interesting if it did turn out to be foul play, especially with the political news that's been coming out of Austria.

There's a regular laundry list of possible suspects hanging around Vienna....

31 Dark_Falcon  10/11/08 8:57:46 am reply quote 0

re: #23 Ringo the Gringo

Can't help but wonder if it really was an accident.

A man like him must have had some enemies.

An enemy like him is a badge of honor.

32 Pawn of the Oppressor  10/11/08 8:57:51 am reply quote 0

The tires were made by Jews! I have proof!

/no, I don't, but do I need any in this day and age anyway?

33 MandyManners  10/11/08 8:58:05 am reply quote 1

re: #28 x-wing

No, it just somehow "came off" the road.

/those Austrians

Strange how shit just happens.

34 pingjockey  10/11/08 8:58:13 am reply quote 0

Was he driving one of those SUVs with minds of their own?

35 AuntAcid  10/11/08 8:59:04 am reply quote 0

First Princess Di, now this guy. I see a pattern here.

36 x-wing  10/11/08 8:59:06 am reply quote 1

re: #16 FrogMarch

Remember - the far right and the far left meet on the political circle.

Ron Paul meet Dennis Kucinich

/

37 pre-Boomer Marine brat  10/11/08 8:59:49 am reply quote 0

re: #14 jcm

His dogma got run over by his karma.

*groan*

38 jcm  10/11/08 9:00:11 am reply quote 1

re: #35 AuntAcid

First Princess Di, now this guy. I see a pattern here.

The cars are out to kill us all!
AAAAHHHHHHHHH!
*runs screaming in circles*

39 pingjockey  10/11/08 9:00:27 am reply quote 0

re: #36 x-wing

David Duke meets Jesse Jackson.

40 jcm  10/11/08 9:00:43 am reply quote 0

re: #37 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*groan*

mission accomplished
;-P

41 Cicero05  10/11/08 9:00:58 am reply quote 0

re: #35 AuntAcid

First Princess Di, now this guy. I see a pattern here.

And James Dean. Hmm.

42 pre-Boomer Marine brat  10/11/08 9:01:04 am reply quote 0

re: #40 jcm

mission accomplished
;-P

LOL!

43 jcm  10/11/08 9:01:18 am reply quote 0

re: #41 Cicero05

And James Dean. Hmm.

Princess Grace!

44 legalpad  10/11/08 9:01:30 am reply quote 0

re: #33 MandyManners

Who could tell if it was pushed off, unless there are witnesses? There are 50 ways to wreck a car if you want to.

45 looking closely  10/11/08 9:01:37 am reply quote 0

I got a dollar that says alcohol was involved.

46 pre-Boomer Marine brat  10/11/08 9:02:29 am reply quote 0

re: #43 jcm

See my #1478 back on the last thread
heh

47 jcm  10/11/08 9:02:30 am reply quote 2

re: #45 looking closely

I got a dollar that says alcohol was involved.

re: #45 looking closely

I got a dollar that says alcohol was involved.

What E85 vehicles are killers?
/

48 x-wing  10/11/08 9:02:58 am reply quote 0

re: #33 MandyManners

Strange how shit just happens.

And to such great people.

49 FrogMarch  10/11/08 9:03:21 am reply quote 0
I bought Bill Ayers' 2001 memoir, Fugitive Days, for reasons unrelated to this project. As I discovered, he writes surprisingly well and very much like "Obama." In fact, my first thought was that the two may have shared the same ghostwriter. Unlike Dreams, however, where the high style is intermittent, Fugitive Days is infused with the authorial voice in every sentence. What is more, when Ayers speaks, even off the cuff, he uses a cadence and vocabulary consistent with his memoir. One does not hear any of Dreams in Obama's casual speech.

hmmm - Why doesn't Obama speak like his books? meanwhile -Ayres does sound like his books. things that make you go hmmmm.
"just a guy in my neighborhood." sure.

[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

hat-tip - NRO corner.

50 Killgore Trout  10/11/08 9:03:21 am reply quote 1
51 jcm  10/11/08 9:03:30 am reply quote 0

re: #46 pre-Boomer Marine brat

See my #1478 back on the last thread
heh

Excellent!

52 MandyManners  10/11/08 9:03:42 am reply quote 1

re: #44 legalpad

Who could tell if it was pushed off, unless there are witnesses? There are 50 ways to wreck a car if you want to.

I wonder if there will be a run on tin-foil in the fascist circles.

53 looking closely  10/11/08 9:03:58 am reply quote 0

re: #47 jcm

What E85 vehicles are killers?
/



All of them.

54 SpartanWoman  10/11/08 9:04:01 am reply quote 0

Don't they drive a bit too fast on the autobahn? Maybe someone just lost control at high speed

55 pingjockey  10/11/08 9:04:35 am reply quote 0

re: #48 x-wing
Maybe Stan has lost some minions and needed a replacement?!

56 AuntAcid  10/11/08 9:04:37 am reply quote 0

re: #38 jcm

The cars are out to kill us all!
AAAAHHHHHHHHH!
*runs screaming in circles*

"Christine" of course

57 Ward Cleaver  10/11/08 9:04:40 am reply quote 0

Looking at the picture of the car, he must've been going pretty fast.

58 Macker  10/11/08 9:04:53 am reply quote 1

re: #19 Cicero05

"I hate Illinois Nazis too."

Has anyone ever noticed that the Illinois Nazis in that movie announced their official name as the "American White People's Party"? Let's break that down:

AWP = AssWiPes

/ergo

59 Shug  10/11/08 9:04:57 am reply quote 0

Hope he filled out his organ donor card.

60 Killgore Trout  10/11/08 9:05:19 am reply quote 0

re: #45 looking closely

Maybe the swastika fell off his giant beer stein.

61 Sharmuta  10/11/08 9:05:32 am reply quote 1

re: #50 Killgore Trout

Sick.

62 Nevergiveup  10/11/08 9:05:36 am reply quote 0

re: #57 Ward Cleaver

Looking at the picture of the car, he must've been going pretty fast.

Air bags?

63 rawmuse  10/11/08 9:05:36 am reply quote 0

Nice car.

64 n in wi  10/11/08 9:05:49 am reply quote 0

re: #44 legalpad

Who could tell if it was pushed off, unless there are witnesses? There are 50 ways to wreck a car if you want to.


Like 50 ways to leave your lover?
It fell off the jack,Jack.
It would'nt run on soy,Roy.

65 MandyManners  10/11/08 9:05:52 am reply quote 0

re: #45 looking closely

I got a dollar that says alcohol was involved.

It seems that the wreck happened in daylight.

66 jcm  10/11/08 9:06:15 am reply quote 0

re: #53 looking closely


All of them.

The green movement, soon to be killing more 3rd worlders than war!

67 MandyManners  10/11/08 9:06:27 am reply quote 0

re: #48 x-wing

And to such great people.

Well, I'm sure his family will miss him. And, it happened on his mother's birthday.

68 Ward Cleaver  10/11/08 9:06:30 am reply quote 1

re: #59 Shug

Hope he filled out his organ donor card.

Who'd want his organs?

69 Nevergiveup  10/11/08 9:06:53 am reply quote 0

re: #65 MandyManners

It seems that the wreck happened in daylight.

I often start drinking when there is daylight. Especially now a days!

70 looking closely  10/11/08 9:06:58 am reply quote 0

re: #59 Shug

Hope he filled out his organ donor card.

From the looks of that crash image, his organs are probably in no shape to be donated.

re: #65 MandyManners

It seems that the wreck happened in daylight.

So?

71 Macker  10/11/08 9:06:58 am reply quote 0

re: #35 AuntAcid

First Princess Di, now this guy. I see a pattern here.

I don't think Sir Elton will rewrite the lyrics again in this case any time soon....

72 Sharmuta  10/11/08 9:07:19 am reply quote 2

I imagine haider's surprised to find himself in hell with other nazis.

73 Nevergiveup  10/11/08 9:07:42 am reply quote 0

re: #68 Ward Cleaver

Who'd want his organs?

The boys from Brazil?

74 MandyManners  10/11/08 9:07:58 am reply quote 1

re: #54 SpartanWoman

Don't they drive a bit too fast on the autobahn? Maybe someone just lost control at high speed

Carinthia has the autobahn?

75 jcm  10/11/08 9:08:00 am reply quote 0

re: #62 Nevergiveup

Air bags?

Looks like side impact, post right on the drivers door.

76 legalpad  10/11/08 9:08:05 am reply quote 0

re: #52 MandyManners

I wonder if there will be a run on tin-foil in the fascist circles.

lol - of course there will.

77 Ward Cleaver  10/11/08 9:08:05 am reply quote 1

re: #67 MandyManners

Well, I'm sure his family will miss him. And, it happened on his mother's birthday.

I won't shed any tears over him. I would say, "His poor mother", but who knows, maybe she's a Nazi sympathizer?

78 pingjockey  10/11/08 9:08:12 am reply quote 1

re: #72 Sharmuta
Stan probably has a special section just for these assholes.

79 doriangrey  10/11/08 9:08:13 am reply quote 0

re: #72 Sharmuta

I imagine haider's surprised to find himself in hell with other nazis.

His only surprise was finding himself there so soon...

80 Shug  10/11/08 9:08:14 am reply quote 0

re: #68 Ward Cleaver

Who'd want his organs?

I dunno. I think it would be sweet irony if his heart or liver was placed into an immigrant

81 Tigger2005  10/11/08 9:08:34 am reply quote 0

“For us this is the end of the world,” the deputy leader of Haider’s Alliance for Austria’s Future, Stefan Petzner, told Austrian news agency, APA.

Now why couldn't this have happened to Hitler?

82 pre-Boomer Marine brat  10/11/08 9:08:37 am reply quote 0

re: #57 Ward Cleaver

Looking at the picture of the car, he must've been going pretty fast.

Maybe rolled?

83 Ward Cleaver  10/11/08 9:08:44 am reply quote 1

re: #72 Sharmuta

I imagine haider's surprised to find himself in hell with other nazis.

And the "Magnificent Nineteen".

/spit

84 MandyManners  10/11/08 9:08:44 am reply quote 0

re: #69 Nevergiveup

I often start drinking when there is daylight. Especially now a days!

But, his star seemed to be rising.

85 jcm  10/11/08 9:08:51 am reply quote 0

re: #78 pingjockey

Stan probably has a special section just for these assholes.

Hell's kapos.

86 goddessoftheclassroom  10/11/08 9:08:57 am reply quote 0

re: #68 Ward Cleaver

Who'd want his organs?

Well, it's better than dying or living with a debilitating illness.

87 doriangrey  10/11/08 9:09:01 am reply quote 0

re: #78 pingjockey

Stan probably has a special section just for these assholes.

Of that I have no doubt.....

88 der_ich  10/11/08 9:09:03 am reply quote 0

re: #54 SpartanWoman

Where he was driving he was only allowed to drive 70 km/h (43.4 mph), apparently he was much faster. On the Austrian autobahn you can only drive 130 km/h anyway.

89 Ward Cleaver  10/11/08 9:09:12 am reply quote 0

re: #80 Shug

I dunno. I think it would be sweet irony if his heart or liver was placed into an immigrant

Akhbar N. Jihad.

90 Shug  10/11/08 9:09:21 am reply quote 0

His car looks like my brain.

/ this hangover is a bitch

91 MandyManners  10/11/08 9:09:23 am reply quote 0

re: #70 looking closely

So?

Maybe it's just me but, I don't associate drinking during the day for someone who's busy.

92 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  10/11/08 9:09:28 am reply quote 15

OT

This is the most important link on the net you need to read today:

[Link: shiratdevorah.blogspot.com...]

I could not figure out why the Iranians were shipping nuke waste to the Eastern Med. This article figured it out: the whole ship was a radiological bomb. The ship would blow a cloud of nuclear waste over Israel and the entire region.

If the reports of the cargo's nature are proven, it means that Iran has been caught red-handed attempting to commit genocide.

While Israel would be within her rights to just nuke Iran for trying, Israel will not do so, but that in no way changes the bottom line- the Iranian regime has committed an egregious act a war crime of war crimes. For this, the Iran should be blockaded until the regime surrenders power or hands over her leaders to international judgment. The answer to can the Iranian regime be trusted with nuclear weapons is no. If their leaders are wiling to murder millions of Palestinians, Saudis, Egyptians, Iraqis, Lebanese and Jordanians (who knows where their little cloud would go?), then they are unfit to sit at the table of nations.

If I were the Iranians, I would be doing everything I could to get the pirates to sink that ship.

If the story is verified it may destroy Hamas: they have been in bed with the Iranians and their friendship was repaid with an attack that might have killed everyone in Gaza.

93 legalpad  10/11/08 9:09:46 am reply quote 0

re: #64 n in wi

Like 50 ways to leave your lover?

Just like that!

94 Nevergiveup  10/11/08 9:09:59 am reply quote 0

re: #84 MandyManners

But, his star seemed to be rising.

Are you intimating that I have no where to go but down?

95 MandyManners  10/11/08 9:10:05 am reply quote 0

re: #76 legalpad

lol - of course there will.

I'm putting my money into tin mining next week.

96 looking closely  10/11/08 9:10:23 am reply quote 0

re: #91 MandyManners

Maybe it's just me but, I don't associate drinking during the day for May I assume you don't know any alcoholics?

97 MandyManners  10/11/08 9:10:23 am reply quote 0

re: #77 Ward Cleaver

I won't shed any tears over him. I would say, "His poor mother", but who knows, maybe she's a Nazi sympathizer?

He got it somewhere!

98 pingjockey  10/11/08 9:10:26 am reply quote 0

re: #87 doriangrey
Read a book called Inferno by Jerry Pournelle. A modern take on Dantes' work, pretty good.

99 billhedrick  10/11/08 9:10:35 am reply quote 1

I need to note, that though we profoundly disagreed with him, the lose of this man's life hurts his family and friends. We want our adversaries to lose and slide into obscurity, not to die.

100 Dark_Falcon  10/11/08 9:10:46 am reply quote 0

re: #68 Ward Cleaver

Who'd want his organs?


Someone who needs them. Haider's fault was in his brain; the rest of his organs might still be worth something.

101 MandyManners  10/11/08 9:10:51 am reply quote 0

re: #80 Shug

I dunno. I think it would be sweet irony if his heart or liver was placed into an immigrant

Zounds!

102 Occasional Reader  10/11/08 9:10:53 am reply quote 0

Seems very Jason Bourne-ish to me.

In other news, according to the New York Times, you know who has been utterly vindicated by the financial crisis, and has been obviously, completely right about everything all along? Medea Benjamin! And protestors dressed up as Ninja Turtles! Why didn't we listen to their Salomonic wisdom sooner?

103 MandyManners  10/11/08 9:11:48 am reply quote 0

re: #94 Nevergiveup

Are you intimating that I have no where to go but down?

*sigh*

Of course not.

104 MandyManners  10/11/08 9:12:25 am reply quote 0

re: #96 looking closely

Not really. How can people function while inebriated?!

105 Dark_Falcon  10/11/08 9:12:37 am reply quote 0

re: #98 pingjockey

Read a book called Inferno by Jerry Pournelle. A modern take on Dantes' work, pretty good.

A lot of Pournelle's work is good. His "Falkenburg's Legion" universe is very well done.

106 rightside  10/11/08 9:12:39 am reply quote 0

Morning Lizards

107 Ward Cleaver  10/11/08 9:12:49 am reply quote 0

re: #82 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Maybe rolled?

Maybe; it's kinda hard to tell. Maybe just went off into some trees. There's what look like mangled sections of fence in front of the car.

108 yma o hyd  10/11/08 9:13:07 am reply quote 0

re: #82 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Maybe rolled?

Yep - rolled trhee times, after overtaking and hitting a concrete barrier.
According to a swiss report, linked in the GoV piece which Killian linked to further up (post #50).
I'm not linking to that site - and sorry I went there to see what they had to say.

109 n in wi  10/11/08 9:13:19 am reply quote 1

re: #93 legalpad

Just like that!


Run into the bus,Gus.
I couldn't see,Lee.
And of course, Make a new plan,Stan.

110 pingjockey  10/11/08 9:13:31 am reply quote 0

re: #105 Dark_Falcon
I've got all of those and the Ringworld books.

111 AuntAcid  10/11/08 9:13:39 am reply quote 1

re: #72 Sharmuta

I imagine haider's surprised to find himself in hell with other nazis.

Hell? No! With his baggage he's in Gary, Indiana.

112 Occasional Reader  10/11/08 9:14:14 am reply quote 0

re: #92 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Interesting theory, but thinly-sourced.

113 pre-Boomer Marine brat  10/11/08 9:14:17 am reply quote 0

re: #92 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

VERY interesting.
Thanks.

114 abolitionist  10/11/08 9:14:24 am reply quote 0

re: #92 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Anxiously anticipating a new thread on this.

115 billhedrick  10/11/08 9:14:29 am reply quote 0

re: #111 AuntAcid

Hell? No! With his baggage he's in Gary, Indiana.

I drove past Gary at Midnight. not much diff.

116 Tigger2005  10/11/08 9:14:45 am reply quote 0

re: #104 MandyManners

Not really. How can people function while inebriated?!

Hey, lampshade wearing is an art!

117 x-wing  10/11/08 9:14:48 am reply quote 0

re: #74 MandyManners

Carinthia has the autobahn?

Yeah, I thought was in Germany. Unless I'm mistaken

118 SpartanWoman  10/11/08 9:15:51 am reply quote 0

re: #92 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

No wonder why the press is silent on this. They were looking forward to lotsa dead jews.

Is there not one honest man in the MSM?

119 akak  10/11/08 9:15:54 am reply quote 0

It's over Sooners win!

120 pingjockey  10/11/08 9:16:10 am reply quote 0

re: #117 x-wing
I thought Germany and Austria were basically interchangeable?

121 Occasional Reader  10/11/08 9:16:38 am reply quote 0

re: #104 MandyManners

Not really. How can people function while inebriated?!

Iam typngi thiss juts fien, whatr u talken abuout?

122 looking closely  10/11/08 9:16:43 am reply quote 0

re: #104 MandyManners

Not really. How can people function while inebriated?!


You build up a tolerance.

Its called "functional alcoholism" and it covers many (if not most) alcoholics.

I've known individuals who wake up in the morning and start drinking, and don't stop drinking until they go to bed at night. During the day, they work their jobs, drive cars, meet people, etc.

123 MandyManners  10/11/08 9:16:48 am reply quote 0

re: #102 Occasional Reader

What's Ludlum up to nowadays?

124 doriangrey  10/11/08 9:16:53 am reply quote 0

re: #92 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

OT

This is the most important link on the net you need to read today:

[Link: shiratdevorah.blogspot.com...]

snip.

Holy crap.................................... .. No wonder this has been getting so little MSM coverage....

125 yma o hyd  10/11/08 9:17:17 am reply quote 0

re: #92 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

OT

This is the most important link on the net you need to read today:

[Link: shiratdevorah.blogspot.com...]

I could not figure out why the Iranians were shipping nuke waste to the Eastern Med. This article figured it out: the whole ship was a radiological bomb. The ship would blow a cloud of nuclear waste over Israel and the entire region.

If the reports of the cargo's nature are proven, it means that Iran has been caught red-handed attempting to commit genocide.

While Israel would be within her rights to just nuke Iran for trying, Israel will not do so, but that in no way changes the bottom line- the Iranian regime has committed an egregious act a war crime of war crimes. For this, the Iran should be blockaded until the regime surrenders power or hands over her leaders to international judgment. The answer to can the Iranian regime be trusted with nuclear weapons is no. If their leaders are wiling to murder millions of Palestinians, Saudis, Egyptians, Iraqis, Lebanese and Jordanians (who knows where their little cloud would go?), then they are unfit to sit at the table of nations.

If I were the Iranians, I would be doing everything I could to get the pirates to sink that ship.

If the story is verified it may destroy Hamas: they have been in bed with the Iranians and their friendship was repaid with an attack that might have killed everyone in Gaza.

Updinged, and quoted in full - this is horrifying beyond belief!

126 Ward Cleaver  10/11/08 9:17:28 am reply quote 0

re: #100 Dark_Falcon

Someone who needs them. Haider's fault was in his brain; the rest of his organs might still be worth something.

You're right.re: #88 der_ich

Where he was driving he wa