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Gawker.com Publishes Fake Sarah Palin SATs

Politics | Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 9:20:10 am PDT

Gawker.com, the ethics-devoid pseudo-blog that published Sarah Palin’s private email, is now hawking another creepy little invasion of privacy: Sarah Palin’s High-School Grades?

But this is what happens when you race to the bottom and sneer at ethical behavior along the way; you get taken in by obvious fakes: Nutroots use my SAT scoresheet to forge ‘Palin Grades’.

Idiots.

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1 doppelganglander  10/11/08 9:21:03 am reply quote

I'm waiting for Obama's transcripts from Columbia and HLS.

2 SpartanWoman  10/11/08 9:21:23 am reply quote

More abuse of press power...yawn.

3 pat  10/11/08 9:22:04 am reply quote

And Obama's LSAT score was.......?

4 Shug  10/11/08 9:22:47 am reply quote

But she's Smart enough to get under their skin.

5 Susan2  10/11/08 9:23:13 am reply quote

re: #1 doppelganglander

I'm waiting for Obama's transcripts from Columbia and HLS.

Plus his thesis and dissertation?

6 jaunte  10/11/08 9:24:10 am reply quote

If someone called Nick Denton a gossipy little schoolgirl, would that reflect badly on gossipy little schoolgirls?

7 pre-Boomer Marine brat  10/11/08 9:24:15 am reply quote

Hilarious!
These idiots can't even screw up properly!

8 Shug  10/11/08 9:24:22 am reply quote

Joe Biden made 1720 on his SAT.

9 jones  10/11/08 9:24:27 am reply quote

I thought SATs were useless anyway.

Make up your minds, moonbats.

10 LoFlyer  10/11/08 9:26:04 am reply quote

I would hate to see my SAT scores published, but I would still be above the scores of the operators of Gawker.com

11 MandyManners  10/11/08 9:26:11 am reply quote

It's been a while since I analyzed the SAT. Are those scores decent?

I'M NOT SAYING I BELIEVE IT.

12 FrogMarch  10/11/08 9:26:26 am reply quote

Obama voters.

they love the lies.

13 razorbacker  10/11/08 9:26:39 am reply quote

So the meme is 'fake, and inaccurate'.

Matches up with the rest of the MSM quite well, actually.

14 Fat Jolly Penguin  10/11/08 9:27:39 am reply quote

Hey, Gawker. If she's so damn stupid, why's she sending all you moonbats into such a frenzy?

16 Susan2  10/11/08 9:28:27 am reply quote

re: #11 MandyManners

It's been a while since I analyzed the SAT. Are those scores decent?

I'M NOT SAYING I BELIEVE IT.

1600 is a perfect score - 800 for math and 800 for language - if I remember correctly.

17 SpartanWoman  10/11/08 9:28:47 am reply quote

re: #11 MandyManners

It's been a while since I analyzed the SAT. Are those scores decent?

I'M NOT SAYING I BELIEVE IT.

No.

Pass me the prozac

18 lawhawk  10/11/08 9:28:56 am reply quote

Ace nails it. Obama's supporters are so damned smart that they get taken by another moronic hoax.

19 looking closely  10/11/08 9:29:31 am reply quote

re: #9 jones

I thought SATs were useless anyway.

Make up your minds, moonbats.

They're only useless for minorities.

20 gopninja  10/11/08 9:29:31 am reply quote

im still waiting for this damned october surprise everyone is talking about. Im beginning to doubt theres anything there.

21 yma o hyd  10/11/08 9:29:37 am reply quote

re: #1 doppelganglander

I'm waiting for Obama's transcripts from Columbia and HLS.

Yeah - the proper ones, not fakes!

22 USCMSNE  10/11/08 9:30:00 am reply quote

If they're going to fake something about Sarah Palin, could they at least try something along the lines of this or this. There are some more sordid ones out there too, regardless, if you're going to fake something about Palin, make it a photo that has some humor to it, please.

23 NC State of Mind  10/11/08 9:30:09 am reply quote

re: #11 MandyManners

It's been a while since I analyzed the SAT. Are those scores decent?

I'M NOT SAYING I BELIEVE IT.

No those scores are not good at all. But, unless I'm mistaken, you can only score in 10 point intervals and this has her making a 416 in verbal. Can't see how they'd miss such an obvious detail as that though.

24 rawmuse  10/11/08 9:30:12 am reply quote

Meanwhile, BHO was editor in chief of the Harvard Law Review and no one can find any evidence that he ever wrote (or even did) anything while in that position.

25 LoFlyer  10/11/08 9:30:14 am reply quote

OT, went through the last thread, and was not happy with all the positive statements celebrating this guys death. I know Charles has a bead on the the Euro-fascists, but I know none of us would truly wish this accident upon anyone.....

26 SpartanWoman  10/11/08 9:30:18 am reply quote

re: #18 lawhawk

Ace nails it. Obama's supporters are so damned smart that they get taken by another moronic hoax.

It's not the supporters who are being targeted, it's the undecideds. And if the undecideds think Palin is an incompetant abuser of power...

27 Nevergiveup  10/11/08 9:30:46 am reply quote

re: #16 Susan2

1600 is a perfect score - 800 for math and 800 for language - if I remember correctly.

I forgot, what do you get like 200 points for signing your name? I had pretty Good sat numbers and when they came in the guidance counselor said next time I might even do better. I said ain't gonna be no next time.

28 jaunte  10/11/08 9:31:25 am reply quote

1600 used to be a perfect score, but the test was revised:
[Link: businessmajors.about.com...]

29 pingjockey  10/11/08 9:32:26 am reply quote

re: #25 LoFlyer
OBL comes to mind, that fat mouth piece for the taleeeban, any hamas, hezbollocks type come to mind.

30 pre-Boomer Marine brat  10/11/08 9:32:29 am reply quote

re: #15 onslow

Black Friday At Gawker Media: 19 Layoffs At Blog Network

From the post:

We never used to talk about the business side of the operation. Traffic was the only concern; my belief was that juicy news would draw the readers and the advertising would take care of itself

/the DOT.COM meltdown didn't go far enough -- assholes still abound

31 SpartanWoman  10/11/08 9:32:31 am reply quote

re: #25 LoFlyer

OT, went through the last thread, and was not happy with all the positive statements celebrating this guys death. I know Charles has a bead on the the Euro-fascists, but I know none of us would truly wish this accident upon anyone.....

What do you want: Oh no! The poor fascist is dead and a litany of sorrow?
Sorry.

32 x-wing  10/11/08 9:33:20 am reply quote

re: #8 Shug

Joe Biden made 1720 on his SAT.

Damn, he beat me by two points. LOL
/

33 MandyManners  10/11/08 9:33:27 am reply quote

If this were not a forgery, wouldn't the release violate education privacy acts?

34 debutaunt  10/11/08 9:33:38 am reply quote

re: #8 Shug

Joe Biden made 1720 on his SAT.

Extra credit question had to do with gaffes.

35 J'accuzzi  10/11/08 9:33:40 am reply quote

A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes”

Mark Twain

36 Sharmuta  10/11/08 9:33:48 am reply quote

re: #25 LoFlyer

I didn't see any celebrating- it's just we're not mourning. Should we mourn nazis when they die, in your opinion?

37 Susan2  10/11/08 9:33:57 am reply quote

re: #27 Nevergiveup

I forgot, what do you get like 200 points for signing your name? I had pretty Good sat numbers and when they came in the guidance counselor said next time I might even do better. I said ain't gonna be no next time.


The 200 points for your name is a detail I don't recall. Too long ago! Congrats on your score.

38 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  10/11/08 9:33:58 am reply quote
39 yma o hyd  10/11/08 9:34:03 am reply quote

re: #22 USCMSNE

If they're going to fake something about Sarah Palin, could they at least try something along the lines of this or this. There are some more sordid ones out there too, regardless, if you're going to fake something about Palin, make it a photo that has some humor to it, please.

Those people don't have a sense of humour - all they laugh about are kiddies' toilet 'jokes'.

40 looking closely  10/11/08 9:34:05 am reply quote

Per the test results, the listed Verbal and Math scores of 425 and 416 correlated roughly to the 39th and 38th percentile of all SAT-takers, respectively, or 36th and 31th percentile for those that intend to go on to college. (Remember, not everyone who takes the SAT wants to go to college).

So these are less-than-average scores, though not terribly so.

And of course they have NOTHING to do with Sarah Palin, as detailed above.

41 Shug  10/11/08 9:34:11 am reply quote

I took my friend's ACT for him in high school.
His Girlfriend worked in the school guidance office and she made us a fake school ID so I could get into the exam.

I made 100 bucks and he got the score he needed to get his golf scholarship

the guy ended up a chiropractor FWIW

42 doppelganglander  10/11/08 9:34:28 am reply quote

re: #28 jaunte

1600 used to be a perfect score, but the test was revised:
[Link: businessmajors.about.com...]

A lot of schools do not consider the writing portion when making admission decisions. Next year, when my daughter graduates, will be the first year schools in Goergia will be taking it into consideration. IIRC, it was first administered in 2003 or 2004.

43 lawhawk  10/11/08 9:34:35 am reply quote

re: #26 SpartanWoman

That's only part of it - Obama's supporters are so moronic that they can't even make a credible forgery; one that will suffice for even one iota of a second.

They're hoping that there are enough people who are only casually looking at headlines will see it and then ignore all the rest - including the debunking.

44 LoFlyer  10/11/08 9:34:49 am reply quote

re: #29 pingjockey

OBL comes to mind, that fat mouth piece for the taleeeban, any hamas, hezbollocks type come to mind.

Haar! Mate, OBL does not deserve death, a much fitting sentence would be to assign him to a housing project and make him live in poverty...

45 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  10/11/08 9:35:21 am reply quote

re: #1 doppelganglander

I'm waiting for Obama's transcripts from Columbia and HLS.

And how well he scored on Sura recitals in his madrassah.

46 Nevergiveup  10/11/08 9:35:51 am reply quote

re: #41 Shug

I took my friend's ACT for him in high school.
His Girlfriend worked in the school guidance office and she made us a fake school ID so I could get into the exam.

I made 100 bucks and he got the score he needed to get his golf scholarship

the guy ended up a chiropractor FWIW

You got any spare pee....ah nevermind.

47 pat  10/11/08 9:35:53 am reply quote

re: #8 Shug

Joe Biden made 1720 on his SAT.

Wait. Wasn't that the year George I telegraphed America that nothing was happening back home and if they had something to share pass it on?

48 jcm  10/11/08 9:36:00 am reply quote

Everyone knows republicans is stoopid....
Fake but accurate!
/

49 LoFlyer  10/11/08 9:36:06 am reply quote

re: #36 Sharmuta

I didn't see any celebrating- it's just we're not mourning. Should we mourn nazis when they die, in your opinion?

Calling it as I see it. I only mourn for friends.

50 goddessoftheclassroom  10/11/08 9:36:10 am reply quote

I've got to run, but I've got to say this:

EVEN IF THESE WERE REAL, they are meaningless as to Gov. Palin's aptitude as a leader.

The most important evidence is accomplishment.

51 Sharmuta  10/11/08 9:36:28 am reply quote

Interesting how there's no cries of civil rights violations when the left does it.

52 pingjockey  10/11/08 9:36:35 am reply quote

re: #44 LoFlyer
Blind him, remove his right hand and both feet. Then drop him in a slum in Egypt.

53 goddessoftheclassroom  10/11/08 9:36:47 am reply quote

re: #37 Susan2

The 200 points for your name is a detail I don't recall. Too long ago! Congrats on your score.

If a kids REALLY wants to show off, he could shoot for a score of 0: getting every single answer WRONG.

54 Susan2  10/11/08 9:36:49 am reply quote

re: #28 jaunte

1600 used to be a perfect score, but the test was revised:
[Link: businessmajors.about.com...]

That's right - I recall this change. I also recall they'd made it easier to achieve a perfect score. Does this sound familiar?

55 itellu3times  10/11/08 9:36:55 am reply quote

re: #45 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

And how well he scored on Sura recitals in his madrassah.

And you can add in the 37 he received bowling.

56 LoFlyer  10/11/08 9:37:24 am reply quote

re: #52 pingjockey

Blind him, remove his right hand and both feet. Then drop him in a slum in Egypt.

Like your spirit, mate!

57 SpartanWoman  10/11/08 9:37:26 am reply quote

re: #43 lawhawk

That's only part of it - Obama's supporters are so moronic that they can't even make a credible forgery; one that will suffice for even one iota of a second.

They're hoping that there are enough people who are only casually looking at headlines will see it and then ignore all the rest - including the debunking.

And they're right.

58 jaunte  10/11/08 9:37:57 am reply quote

re: #54 Susan2

Embrace the changiness.

59 pre-Boomer Marine brat  10/11/08 9:38:09 am reply quote

re: #52 pingjockey

Blind him, remove his right hand and both feet. Then drop him in a slum in Egypt.

From how high up?

60 Nevergiveup  10/11/08 9:38:27 am reply quote

Appeals court overturns a judges decision in Ohio that voter registration has to be checked. Let the games begin?

61 pingjockey  10/11/08 9:38:50 am reply quote

re: #59 pre-Boomer Marine brat
We want him to live, Forgot..remove his tongue.

62 Sharmuta  10/11/08 9:38:57 am reply quote

re: #60 Nevergiveup

It will get appealed.

63 doppelganglander  10/11/08 9:39:19 am reply quote

re: #54 Susan2

That's right - I recall this change. I also recall they'd made it easier to achieve a perfect score. Does this sound familiar?

I don't know about making it easier to get a perfect score, but they did recalibrate the test in the '90s. They called it recentering and it made everyone's score around 50 points higher. It was done to mask the slide in scores since the '70s. It's a lot like revaluing currency to hide inflation.

64 LoFlyer  10/11/08 9:39:44 am reply quote

re: #61 pingjockey

We want him to live, Forgot..remove his tongue.

Yaar, y'all are some real pirates!

65 Nevergiveup  10/11/08 9:39:45 am reply quote

re: #62 Sharmuta

It will get appealed.

I am sure and by Nov 5th we should have a clear ruling?

66 odinga  10/11/08 9:39:49 am reply quote

A word of advice for all good lizards.

Do not refer to it as Troopergate.
It ought to be called Tasergate.

The trooper TASERED a 10 year old child and threatened a family.

We should do a better job at not letting the moonbats define and control the terms we use.

67 realwest  10/11/08 9:40:12 am reply quote

re: #45 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey And I'd sure like to see his complete medical records released, instead of the one page letter issued by his doctor.

Oh, and ya know, silly me, I thought Obama was running against McCain not Palin!

68 pre-Boomer Marine brat  10/11/08 9:40:42 am reply quote

re: #61 pingjockey

We want him to live, Forgot..remove his tongue.

Yes, of course. Forgive my enthusiasm.

/thinking of still ANOTHER part (or three) of his anatomy

/enthusiasm recovered

69 looking closely  10/11/08 9:40:47 am reply quote

re: #53 goddessoftheclassroom

If a kids REALLY wants to show off, he could shoot for a score of 0: getting every single answer WRONG.

Unless something has changed recently, the minimum score for each section is 200.

So if you just signed your name to the exam, then walked away without answering a single question, your score would total 400.

70 rightside  10/11/08 9:40:52 am reply quote
71 SpartanWoman  10/11/08 9:41:09 am reply quote

re: #67 realwest

And I'd sure like to see his complete medical records released, instead of the one page letter issued by his doctor.

Oh, and ya know, silly me, I thought Obama was running against McCain not Palin!

Palin's a more formidable candidate. For all his experience and courage, McCain looks weak

72 Sharmuta  10/11/08 9:41:22 am reply quote

re: #65 Nevergiveup

Yeah- you know... we should probably just give up and allow voter fraud to commence countrywide.

73 pingjockey  10/11/08 9:41:37 am reply quote

re: #68 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Mwahahaha! Turn him from a rooster to a hen.

74 LoFlyer  10/11/08 9:41:39 am reply quote

How are you doing Real? A leaden day in ATL. Overcast and windy....

75 nigella  10/11/08 9:41:41 am reply quote

realwest, you forgot McCain's going to drop dead as soon as he is sworn in.Then,horror of horror, the mayor of a small town will be President.

76 lawhawk  10/11/08 9:41:41 am reply quote
77 Susan2  10/11/08 9:41:57 am reply quote

re: #63 doppelganglander

I don't know about making it easier to get a perfect score, but they did recalibrate the test in the '90s. They called it recentering and it made everyone's score around 50 points higher. It was done to mask the slide in scores since the '70s. It's a lot like revaluing currency to hide inflation.

Of course! It's right in there with grade and currency inflation. Also, a size 6 today was a size 10 in 1975. But we all feel better about ourselves. We're smarter, richer and thinner.

78 Nevergiveup  10/11/08 9:42:20 am reply quote

re: #72 Sharmuta

Yeah- you know... we should probably just give up and allow voter fraud to commence countrywide.

Or register our own dead people.

79 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  10/11/08 9:42:21 am reply quote

re: #67 realwest

And I'd sure like to see his complete medical records released, instead of the one page letter issued by his doctor.

Oh, and ya know, silly me, I thought Obama was running against McCain not Palin!

With the way McCain has been campaigning, I only wish The One were running against Gov. Palin!

80 amphibian  10/11/08 9:42:27 am reply quote

Heh. I recently received an email from an Obamanut. Compares where who went to school and trots out Sen. McCain's not-top-of-the-class performance at the Naval Academy. With such credentials, why is the race even close? Could it be... racism?

Bullshit. If I were to try to apply for a job with my college transcripts I wouldn't get to a first interview; the HR people would justifiably wonder what have I been doing in all the years since then. But this year, straight As in kindergarten seem to be plenty good to get elected President of the United States.

I suppose this approach will bring out the college vote (for Husseinovich), because in college one can't always imagine that there's anything in life beyond grades.

81 SpartanWoman  10/11/08 9:43:44 am reply quote

re: #72 Sharmuta

Yeah- you know... we should probably just give up and allow voter fraud to commence countrywide.

Well Sharmuta, looks like many people have. They have accepted it as part of the system since hanging swinging and pregnant chads swept the nation in 2000.

Look for printed receipts in 2012, with your name address and who you voted for. The secret ballot will soon be going down.

82 Nevergiveup  10/11/08 9:44:00 am reply quote

re: #80 amphibian

Heh. I recently received an email from an Obamanut. Compares where who went to school and trots out Sen. McCain's not-top-of-the-class performance at the Naval Academy. With such credentials, why is the race even close? Could it be... racism?

Bullshit. If I were to try to apply for a job with my college transcripts I wouldn't get to a first interview; the HR people would justifiably wonder what have I been doing in all the years since then. But this year, straight As in kindergarten seem to be plenty good to get elected President of the United States.

I suppose this approach will bring out the college vote (for Husseinovich), because in college one can't always imagine that there's anything in life beyond grades.

Obama wouldn't have lasted one week at the Annapolis.

83 cblesz  10/11/08 9:44:09 am reply quote

re: #60 Nevergiveup

Appeals court overturns a judges decision in Ohio that voter registration has to be checked. Let the games begin?

Game, set, match. It's over people. Unless someone has some incriminating stuff that the press will actually cover on Obama...I am sick to my stomach. It is gonna be very tough for the next four years.

84 Sharmuta  10/11/08 9:44:12 am reply quote

re: #78 Nevergiveup

Feel free to race to the bottom with the leftists.

Or- we can try to uphold the law and let the American people know what party is on the side of "one citizen, one vote". Which do you think has a better appeal to real Americans?

85 LoFlyer  10/11/08 9:44:23 am reply quote

re: #70 rightside

Rezko starting to sing

Thanx!

86 lawhawk  10/11/08 9:44:28 am reply quote

re: #70 rightside

I suspect he's singing in the key of B... as in Blagojevich, Governor, though he's probably harmonizing on what everyone else in the Chicago machine politics was up to. Lots of sausages being made there... and it is an ugly process...

87 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  10/11/08 9:44:29 am reply quote

The One is out & about in my fair city today. I was wondering why the walls started bleeding.

88 SpartanWoman  10/11/08 9:45:08 am reply quote

re: #85 LoFlyer

Thanx!

Sadly he will be singing the "Obama will lead" ballad with the rest of the obot babies

89 doppelganglander  10/11/08 9:45:09 am reply quote

re: #77 Susan2

Of course! It's right in there with grade and currency inflation. Also, a size 6 today was a size 10 in 1975. But we all feel better about ourselves. We're smarter, richer and thinner.

True. That's why I wear the same size I did when I got married, even though I weigh 12 lbs. more (which is substantial on a short person). My husband wanted me to try on my wedding gown but I know perfectly well it won't zip up.

90 little boomer  10/11/08 9:45:17 am reply quote

re: #70 rightside

Rezko starting to sing

Please.....please....please.......

91 amphibian  10/11/08 9:45:56 am reply quote

re: #16 Susan2

1600 is a perfect score - 800 for math and 800 for language - if I remember correctly.

Was when I took the test. I think they added a new section in the last few years, so it may go higher now.

92 Sharmuta  10/11/08 9:46:01 am reply quote

PUMAs = 5-7 million voters
ACORN = 1.5 million registrations

The party that voter fraud is going to hurt in this election isn't ours.

Unless of course we engage in ti ourselves.

93 Nevergiveup  10/11/08 9:46:05 am reply quote

re: #84 Sharmuta

Feel free to race to the bottom with the leftists.

Or- we can try to uphold the law and let the American people know what party is on the side of "one citizen, one vote". Which do you think has a better appeal to real Americans?

I think that people with high standards like you should reperesent both our country and our party. As for me I believe in getting down in the gutter with scum when I have to, but I promise not to mention I know you when caught.

94 NC State of Mind  10/11/08 9:46:21 am reply quote

re: #70 rightside

Rezko starting to sing

We need to repeat that: we never believed, until now, that Obama would go to jail for anything related to Rezko. Today, this breaking news about what Rezko is singing to the Feds about makes us reconsider all of that.

Barack Obama will serve a prison sentence in the next few years — because knowing Fitzgerald, there is no reason he would be going through all of this if that was not the targeted goal in the long term.

Sounds way too good to be true.

95 nigella  10/11/08 9:46:37 am reply quote

Regarding Rezko "singing." From what I have read this is merely a stall tactic to stop the sentencing from happening before the election. They want to keep Rezko out of the news so as not to hurt Obama.

96 musicman  10/11/08 9:46:48 am reply quote

Any hope of a throbbing memo?

97 sattv4u2  10/11/08 9:46:48 am reply quote

re: #75 nigella

realwest, you forgot McCain's going to drop dead as soon as he is sworn in.Then,horror of horror, the mayor of a small town a person who attends school board meetings will be President.


fixed

98 LoFlyer  10/11/08 9:46:50 am reply quote

re: #88 SpartanWoman

Sadly he will be singing the "Obama will lead" ballad with the rest of the obot babies

This election is not over by a long shot. The media believes its in the bag for Obama. They are dead wrong and soon to be on unemployment.....

99 doppelganglander  10/11/08 9:46:53 am reply quote

re: #74 LoFlyer

How are you doing Real? A leaden day in ATL. Overcast and windy....

Seriously? It's sunny and breezy here in the 'burbs. Is Sunday still on?

100 Sharmuta  10/11/08 9:46:59 am reply quote

re: #93 Nevergiveup

I think that people with high standards like you should reperesent both our country and our party. As for me I believe in getting down in the gutter with scum when I have to, but I promise not to mention I know you when caught.

I'm not stupid enough to try to represent people who would end up sneering at my integrity.

101 cblesz  10/11/08 9:47:31 am reply quote

re: #90 little boomer

Please.....please....please.......


Old news. He has nothiong on Obama and I am sure will not give him up. We can keep hoping...but it ain't gonna happen. Unless someone has photos of the ONE with sheep...even then the MSM will ignore. Unreal. We are gonna elect President Obama? Are you kidding me? Tell me this is a nightmare and wake me.

102 MandyManners  10/11/08 9:48:07 am reply quote

re: #50 goddessoftheclassroom

I've got to run, but I've got to say this:

EVEN IF THESE WERE REAL, they are meaningless as to Gov. Palin's aptitude as a leader.

The most important evidence is accomplishment.

I'd rather have someone at the helm who can get things done instead of someone who can argue constitutional law.

103 SpartanWoman  10/11/08 9:48:08 am reply quote

re: #98 LoFlyer

This election is not over by a long shot. The media believes its in the bag for Obama. They are dead wrong and soon to be on unemployment.....

Even Kudlow is cutting bait and hoping some old Clintonites run the Dept of Traesury

104 doppelganglander  10/11/08 9:48:38 am reply quote

re: #67 realwest

And I'd sure like to see his complete medical records released, instead of the one page letter issued by his doctor.

Oh, and ya know, silly me, I thought Obama was running against McCain not Palin!

CNN is doing a program with Dr. Sanjay Gupta called something like Fit to Lead. Basically examining the medial histories and health of the candidates. I suppose the Obama segment will be about 15 seconds long.

105 Shug  10/11/08 9:49:17 am reply quote

re: #70 rightside

Rezko starting to sing


sumthin' tells me there is a residue of the Clintons on whatever October surprise that will happen to sink Barry.

Billary don't want to wait 8 years to be the presidential nominee when sthey'll have a legitimate crack at it in 4 years if McCain wins

106 Nevergiveup  10/11/08 9:49:36 am reply quote

re: #100 Sharmuta

I'm not stupid enough to try to represent people who would end up sneering at my integrity.

I am not sneering- really.

107 MandyManners  10/11/08 9:49:47 am reply quote

re: #72 Sharmuta

Yeah- you know... we should probably just give up and allow voter fraud to commence countrywide.

Who are you and what have you done with our Sharmuta?

108 SpartanWoman  10/11/08 9:49:51 am reply quote

re: #104 doppelganglander

CNN is doing a program with Dr. Sanjay Gupta called something like Fit to Lead. Basically examining the medial histories and health of the candidates. I suppose the Obama segment will be about 15 seconds long.

Gupta will be crowing what a fine specimen Obama is and how Biden's aneurism issues are fixed and how even if they aren't that Pelosi will make a fine VP

109 pre-Boomer Marine brat  10/11/08 9:49:58 am reply quote

re: #100 Sharmuta

Your integrity's sneer to perfect.

110 Sharmuta  10/11/08 9:50:31 am reply quote

re: #107 MandyManners

Sarcasm, Dear.

111 legalpad  10/11/08 9:50:38 am reply quote

re: #11 MandyManners

Biden's score 1720, if that is accurate would have to be based on the 2400 possible point SAT. That's about 71%. But Biden is older than I am and I took the 1600 possible points SAT. I don't know when it changed but I'm doubting the source on Biden's.

112 x-wing  10/11/08 9:50:54 am reply quote

re: #104 doppelganglander

CNN is doing a program with Dr. Sanjay Gupta called something like Fit to Lead. Basically examining the medial histories and health of the candidates. I suppose the Obama segment will be about 15 seconds long.

I heard that Gupta name before. Wasn't he under investigation for something>

113 MandyManners  10/11/08 9:50:57 am reply quote

re: #84 Sharmuta

Feel free to race to the bottom with the leftists.

Or- we can try to uphold the law and let the American people know what party is on the side of "one citizen, one vote". Which do you think has a better appeal to real Americans?

Why, there you are!

114 sattv4u2  10/11/08 9:51:29 am reply quote

re: #104 doppelganglander

CNN is doing a program with Dr. Sanjay Gupta called something like Fit to Lead. Basically examining the medial histories and health of the candidates. I suppose the Obama segment will be about 15 seconds long.

But as a Doctor, Sanjay must know the long term risk of smoking and cocain use.

115 SpartanWoman  10/11/08 9:51:31 am reply quote

re: #105 Shug

sumthin' tells me there is a residue of the Clintons on whatever October surprise that will happen to sink Barry.

Billary don't want to wait 8 years to be the presidential nominee when sthey'll have a legitimate crack at it in 4 years if McCain wins

Actually I think the Clinton are the only ones who can save McCain's candidacy at this point. Never thought I could trust them, but they seem true blue patriots next to Obama and his thralls

116 Sharmuta  10/11/08 9:51:52 am reply quote

re: #106 Nevergiveup

I am not sneering- really.

After what I saw yesterday, I seriously question if a person with integrity can make it in politics without getting eaten by their own.

117 amphibian  10/11/08 9:52:13 am reply quote

re: #18 lawhawk

Ace nails it. Obama's supporters are so damned smart that they get taken by another moronic hoax.

Lawhawk, I enjoy your posts and have formed a good opinion of the man behind the blog. But -- Obama's supporters are dumb enough to be taken in by a crudely done personality cult! They're dumb enough to try to show the world what free thinkers they are -- by toeing the last detail of the party line! They like to think they're smart, or rather, it is a part of what makes them feel good about themselves to think they're smarter than most other people, but they're being taken in by propaganda that the old USSR would be ashamed to show in the provinces, to say nothing of the cities! These people may be smart in some ways, but in this case they're dumb as logs!

118 Nevergiveup  10/11/08 9:52:18 am reply quote

re: #112 x-wing

I heard that Gupta name before. Wasn't he under investigation for something>

I don't think so. He seems to be OK. he is a Dr. and I think during the gulf war when he was inbeded with the troops he actually helped out some with their medical care.

119 sattv4u2  10/11/08 9:52:37 am reply quote

re: #111 legalpad

Biden's score 1720, if that is accurate would have to be based on the 2400 possible point SAT. That's about 71%. But Biden is older than I am and I took the 1600 possible points SAT. I don't know when it changed but I'm doubting the source on Biden's.

maybe he added his SAT's to his PSAT's!

120 MandyManners  10/11/08 9:52:58 am reply quote

re: #111 legalpad

Biden's score 1720, if that is accurate would have to be based on the 2400 possible point SAT. That's about 71%. But Biden is older than I am and I took the 1600 possible points SAT. I don't know when it changed but I'm doubting the source on Biden's.

Well, we all know his IQ scores are higher than anyone else's scores.

121 Nevergiveup  10/11/08 9:52:59 am reply quote

re: #116 Sharmuta

After what I saw yesterday, I seriously question if a person with integrity can make it in politics without getting eaten by their own.

What was yesterday?

122 toaster_empire  10/11/08 9:53:22 am reply quote

This is pretty much a noting to see here. I mean this is Gawker. They have fewer verification guide lines than the National Enquirer and Denton would devote a blog to his grandmother's under garments if he thought he could find readers. I tend to ignore most of the Denton empire during the final leg of any election cycle because the comments are more barking mad than the barking mad posts. On the bright side Gawker whipping girl, Julia Alison, must be loving the break.

123 sattv4u2  10/11/08 9:53:23 am reply quote

re: #121 Nevergiveup

What was yesterday?

lemme check ,,,,, ummmm,,, FRIDAY !

124 Sharmuta  10/11/08 9:53:46 am reply quote

re: #121 Nevergiveup

What was yesterday?

Friday, October 10, 2008.

125 MandyManners  10/11/08 9:54:04 am reply quote

re: #111 legalpad

Biden's score 1720, if that is accurate would have to be based on the 2400 possible point SAT. That's about 71%. But Biden is older than I am and I took the 1600 possible points SAT. I don't know when it changed but I'm doubting the source on Biden's.

Oh, and BHO is smarter than all of us.

126 lawhawk  10/11/08 9:54:49 am reply quote

re: #117 amphibian

I think you misunderstand. What Ace is getting at is that Obama's supporters are morons, and they're pushing this to spread their moronic beliefs to others who aren't going to be paying that close attention.

127 legalpad  10/11/08 9:54:50 am reply quote

re: #119 sattv4u2

maybe he added his SAT's to his PSAT's!

Sounds like the source may have been him.

128 Nevergiveup  10/11/08 9:54:55 am reply quote

re: #123 sattv4u2

lemme check ,,,,, ummmm,,, FRIDAY !

re: #124 Sharmuta

Friday, October 10, 2008.

I guess I asked for that one?

129 LoFlyer  10/11/08 9:55:04 am reply quote

The scary thing about this election is what will happen to the investigations to election fraud against orgs like ACORN. The investigations will be canceled and ACORN will receive a ton of federal grants....

130 doppelganglander  10/11/08 9:55:22 am reply quote

re: #114 sattv4u2

But as a Doctor, Sanjay must know the long term risk of smoking and cocain use.

If they bring up cocaine, I will fall off my chair.

Here's a link to Dr. Gupta's page at CNN. There are several video clips about the candidates' health. I haven't watched them yet but I will, because I can't wait to see how they fill 2 minutes and 17 seconds on the topic of Obama's health.

131 Sharmuta  10/11/08 9:55:25 am reply quote

re: #129 LoFlyer

Not going to happen.

132 MandyManners  10/11/08 9:55:32 am reply quote

re: #124 Sharmuta

Friday, October 10, 2008.

LOL!

133 SpartanWoman  10/11/08 9:55:32 am reply quote

re: #116 Sharmuta

After what I saw yesterday, I seriously question if a person with integrity can make it in politics without getting eaten by their own.

Agreed. McCain and Palin are being canibalized by their own. The punditry runs them into the ground at every opportunity, turns McCain into a silly cartoon of a man and dismisses GOVERNOR Palin as "Sarah, America's sweetheart" and marginalizes her as a latter day Shirley Temple.

For the punditry it's all about their careers and always has been.

134 nigella  10/11/08 9:56:18 am reply quote

Speaking of SAT's when he was going to college did they have those. I never took them, and I'm 59 and attended college. Biden is older than me so.....

135 SpartanWoman  10/11/08 9:56:42 am reply quote

re: #129 LoFlyer

The scary thing about this election is what will happen to the investigations to election fraud against orgs like ACORN. The investigations will be canceled and ACORN will receive a ton of federal grants....


Yes, we will pay for our own disenfranchisement.

136 Sharmuta  10/11/08 9:57:10 am reply quote

re: #129 LoFlyer

The scary thing about this election is what will happen to the investigations to election fraud against orgs like ACORN. The investigations will be canceled and ACORN will receive a ton of federal grants....

Again- it's not going to happen.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

137 Nevergiveup  10/11/08 9:57:11 am reply quote

re: #134 nigella

Speaking of SAT's when he was going to college did they have those. I never took them, and I'm 59 and attended college. Biden is older than me so.....

I am 53 and I took them.

138 LoFlyer  10/11/08 9:57:11 am reply quote

BBL, Mates, catch y'all later after the Georgia/Tennessee shoot-out!

139 Who Watches the Watchmen?  10/11/08 9:57:16 am reply quote

re: #115 SpartanWoman

Actually I think the Clinton are the only ones who can save McCain's candidacy at this point. Never thought I could trust them, but they seem true blue patriots next to Obama and his thralls

For sleazy crooks, they have a noble goal: personal enrichment.
Obama seeks personal aggrandizement.

140 amphibian  10/11/08 9:57:27 am reply quote

re: #39 yma o hyd

Those people don't have a sense of humour - all they laugh about are kiddies' toilet 'jokes'.

Hey, I like South Park!

141 doppelganglander  10/11/08 9:57:48 am reply quote

Well, errands to run and all that. Have a lovely Saturday, lizards.

142 nigella  10/11/08 9:58:21 am reply quote

Well my memory may be off. I don't remember taking them.

143 sattv4u2  10/11/08 9:58:27 am reply quote

re: #134 nigella

Speaking of SAT's when he was going to college did they have those. I never took them, and I'm 59 and attended college. Biden is older than me so.....

SAT's are taken in High School, typically when you're a junior (PSAT's as a sophomore) I'm 55 and I took both in HS. My son is 14 (freshman) and he can take the PSAT this year if he wants too

144 rexatosis  10/11/08 9:58:30 am reply quote

Re #33 Mandy Manners:

The release of SATs is a violation of FERPA (Family Education Rights and Privacy Act). Under federal statute any educational institution found to have violated FERPA standards my have its federal funding cut by the United States Department of Education as per order of the Secretary of Education. For the individual violating FERPA there is no punishment under the Federal Statute, however if the individual is a public employee they have probably violated the "Standard of Care" requirement within their contract and may received administrative sanction (though probably not termination since that is very time consuming and expensive). If they are employed by a private educational establishment (ETS or Private College/School) the individual violating FERPA is probably fired ASAP so the private institution can show the Dept. of Ed. that the institution takes such FERPA violations seriously.

In this case with these Fakes (I took the SATs during the same time period, these records are now archived and all ETS does is access the original and photoreproduce the things, they do not look that clean, or atleast mine don't) there will be no sanction under FERPA since they are not real records. However the creation of fake educational records does constitute FRAUD and that is still a crime.

145 Macker  10/11/08 9:58:52 am reply quote

re: #140 amphibian

Hey, I like South Park!

Has Parker & Stone gone after Obama on their show?

146 MandyManners  10/11/08 9:59:24 am reply quote

re: #138 LoFlyer

BBL, Mates, catch y'all later after the Georgia/Tennessee shoot-out!

147 Sharmuta  10/11/08 9:59:45 am reply quote

re: #133 SpartanWoman

Agreed. McCain and Palin are being canibalized by their own. The punditry runs them into the ground at every opportunity, turns McCain into a silly cartoon of a man and dismisses GOVERNOR Palin as "Sarah, America's sweetheart" and marginalizes her as a latter day Shirley Temple.

For the punditry it's all about their careers and always has been.

I'm not talking about pundits- I'm talking about the base.

148 Who Watches the Watchmen?  10/11/08 9:59:49 am reply quote

re: #133 SpartanWoman

Agreed. McCain and Palin are being canibalized by their own. The punditry runs them into the ground at every opportunity, turns McCain into a silly cartoon of a man and dismisses GOVERNOR Palin as "Sarah, America's sweetheart" and marginalizes her as a latter day Shirley Temple.

For the punditry it's all about their careers and always has been.

Drudge has a couple of examples:

FRANK RICH: Fire stoked by McCain/Palin raging out of control...

MAUREEN DOWD: McCain/Palin rouse the mob against Obama...

No problem. You want torches and pitchforks, we'll get 'em.

149 pbird  10/11/08 9:59:52 am reply quote

re: #115 SpartanWoman

Actually I think the Clinton are the only ones who can save McCain's candidacy at this point. Never thought I could trust them, but they seem true blue patriots next to Obama and his thralls

Yikes! Is THAT what McCain is waiting for?

150 SpartanWoman  10/11/08 10:00:08 am reply quote

re: #144 rexatosis

What's one more little white crime if it achieves the goal of the ONE

151 OldLineTexan  10/11/08 10:01:34 am reply quote

re: #145 Macker

Has Parker & Stone gone after Obama on their show?

No, but I am waiting for them to go after the election.

They are the most fair and balanced show on TV (unless you are Barbra Streisand, Mel Gibson, or that "Crossing Over" guy - those people are WHIPPED).

Also, they do not like PETA, and have done the most incredibly ACCURATE Whoopi Goldberg character (I hate Republicans. Republicans are stupid. to wild applause in a scene).

Unfortunately, the latest episode was a real yawner.

152 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  10/11/08 10:01:37 am reply quote

re: #145 Macker

Has Parker & Stone gone after Obama on their show?

I have heard rumors that an episode this season will show The One to be a "trojan horse." Of course, I also heard rumors that the Eagles were going to acquire Chad "Ocho Loco" Johnson this past off-season.

153 nigella  10/11/08 10:02:33 am reply quote

The stories of the angry mobs at McCain rallies are simply not true. Read somewhere that Kos had a picture of one of their darlings at one of the rallies agitating. Surprised?For the media to run with this is really only going to make us more angry in my opinion.

154 MandyManners  10/11/08 10:02:39 am reply quote

re: #144 rexatosis

Re #33 Mandy Manners:

The release of SATs is a violation of FERPA (Family Education Rights and Privacy Act). Under federal statute any educational institution found to have violated FERPA standards my have its federal funding cut by the United States Department of Education as per order of the Secretary of Education. For the individual violating FERPA there is no punishment under the Federal Statute, however if the individual is a public employee they have probably violated the "Standard of Care" requirement within their contract and may received administrative sanction (though probably not termination since that is very time consuming and expensive). If they are employed by a private educational establishment (ETS or Private College/School) the individual violating FERPA is probably fired ASAP so the private institution can show the Dept. of Ed. that the institution takes such FERPA violations seriously.

In this case with these Fakes (I took the SATs during the same time period, these records are now archived and all ETS does is access the original and photoreproduce the things, they do not look that clean, or atleast mine don't) there will be no sanction under FERPA since they are not real records. However the creation of fake educational records does constitute FRAUD and that is still a crime.

Thanks for the run-down!

155 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  10/11/08 10:02:49 am reply quote

re: #150 SpartanWoman

What's one more little white crime if it achieves the goal of the ONE

RACIST!
/

156 Nevergiveup  10/11/08 10:03:02 am reply quote

Bob Dylan coming to Israel
World-renowned performer expected to wow Israeli audiences in June 2009 performance
Raz Shechnik
Published: 10.09.08, 23:23 / Israel Culture
Bob Dylan, one of the greatest and most important musicians of the 20th century, is expected to arrive in Israel for a June 2009 performance, Yedioth Ahronoth has learned.
[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

And his face has held up so well?

157 pbird  10/11/08 10:03:04 am reply quote

re: #137 Nevergiveup

I am 53 and I took them.

I'm 60 and it was the first year they were given for the UofW in Seattle.

158 baslimthecripple  10/11/08 10:04:02 am reply quote

re: #8 Shug

Pretty good trick, considering 1600 is or at least was then perfect. But Joe Bidet always knew a lot about turning a perfect trick.

159 OldLineTexan  10/11/08 10:04:20 am reply quote

re: #152 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I have heard rumors that an episode this season will show The One to be a "trojan horse." Of course, I also heard rumors that the Eagles were going to acquire Chad "Ocho Loco" Johnson this past off-season.

This episode on voting is a classic example of their even-handedness. Turd vs. Douche.

160 legalpad  10/11/08 10:04:24 am reply quote

re: #134 nigella

Speaking of SAT's when he was going to college did they have those. I never took them, and I'm 59 and attended college. Biden is older than me so.....

Yeah SAT's go back to 1901, but they are not necessarily a rigid requirement everywhere.

161 SpartanWoman  10/11/08 10:04:29 am reply quote

re: #155 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

RACIST!
/

Hey, I said the crime was white, what more do you want, citizen?

162 sattv4u2  10/11/08 10:05:39 am reply quote

re: #157 pbird

I'm 60 and it was the first year they were given for the UofW in Seattle.

? The SATs aren't (nor were) "given for" a particular college or universlty. They are given to High School students to apply to ANY school of higher ed. There were kids I went to school with that took the SATs and decided never to apply to college

just FYI ,, I'm 55

163 Nevergiveup  10/11/08 10:06:39 am reply quote

18:27 Jordan opposition protests Israeli fruit imports (Reuters)

Can you feel the love? Peace is breaking out all over the Middle East?

164 pbird  10/11/08 10:06:40 am reply quote

Well, we took them on the campus at the U. First year and all.

165 SpartanWoman  10/11/08 10:06:59 am reply quote

re: #163 Nevergiveup

18:27 Jordan opposition protests Israeli fruit imports (Reuters)

Can you feel the love? Peace is breaking out all over the Middle East?

Praise Obama

166 rawmuse  10/11/08 10:07:00 am reply quote

re: #156 Nevergiveup

Bob Dylan, one of the most over rated musicians of our time. A guy with a leftist message, a harmonica strapped on and a vocal tessitura of about a major sixth.

167 FrogMarch  10/11/08 10:07:26 am reply quote

re: #153 nigella

The stories of the angry mobs at McCain rallies are simply not true. Read somewhere that Kos had a picture of one of their darlings at one of the rallies agitating. Surprised?For the media to run with this is really only going to make us more angry in my opinion.

Got a link?

168 pbird  10/11/08 10:07:54 am reply quote

re: #166 rawmuse

Bob Dylan, one of the most over rated musicians of our time. A guy with a leftist message, a harmonica strapped on and a vocal tessitura of about a major sixth.

He's very evocative for some of us.

169 sattv4u2  10/11/08 10:08:18 am reply quote

re: #164 pbird

Well, we took them on the campus at the U. First year and all.

yes, typically they were given AT a college (or university) But you could send your scores to ANY college, even not sending it to the one where you took them

170 SpartanWoman  10/11/08 10:08:27 am reply quote

re: #166 rawmuse

Bob Dylan, one of the most over rated musicians of our time. A guy with a leftist message, a harmonica strapped on and a vocal tessitura of about a major sixth.

I hate his voice and he lead the way for so many other shitty voices to pass themselves off as singers.

171 sattv4u2  10/11/08 10:09:14 am reply quote

re: #166 rawmuse

Bob Dylan, one of the most over rated musicians of our time. A guy with a leftist message, a harmonica strapped on and a vocal tessitura of about a major sixth.

THANK YOU. he sounds as if he gargled with rusty razor blades!

172 nigella  10/11/08 10:09:19 am reply quote

Frog march, unfortunately I can't remember where it was, and I'm ashamed to admit I can't link. I'm computer illiterate! It was probably Gateway pundit.

173 yma o hyd  10/11/08 10:10:25 am reply quote

OT:

Iran celebrates global meltdown

You go and talk with them, B0!

Same mentality as shown by those who jubilated in the streets on 9/11.

174 MandyManners  10/11/08 10:10:49 am reply quote

re: #157 pbird

I'm 60 and it was the first year they were given for the UofW in Seattle.

A fellow Husky!

175 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  10/11/08 10:11:02 am reply quote

re: #163 Nevergiveup

18:27 Jordan opposition protests Israeli fruit imports (Reuters)

Can you feel the love? Peace is breaking out all over the Middle East?

If there are no gays in Iran, then there can be no fruits in Jordan, either!

176 realwest  10/11/08 10:11:14 am reply quote

re: #74 LoFlyer
and
re: #75 nigella

I apologize for the "group" answer and that I was so late in replying but I literally got called away!
I'm doing ok thanks, but I don't think about McCain dying in office - but he sure looks and act TIRED. I can't say as how I blame him (he is 72 and 5 years at the Hanoi Hilton aged him more than that) but I'm just so, frankly, SHOCKED that a warrior like McCain, supposedly famous for his temper, is still putzing around like Bob Dole did.
Damn, John, I respect the hell out of you but you have to step it up a notch.
Start by making a HUGE DEAL about all of Obama's campaign cash - especially from all those "Americans" in Iran, Syria and Tunisia - and his reneging on taking Public Financing - so you GUESS that Obama's Message of Change means going back to no real oversight on campaign fund raising or spending. Fuck it with campaign finance reform, right Senator Barack Hussein Obama?

177 esch  10/11/08 10:11:46 am reply quote

re: #170 SpartanWoman

As Chainsaw Caine told us when I was at Music Tech:

"His voice may suck, but compare his bank account to ALL OF OURS put together."

It isn't just about singing talent, it's about what inspires people to BUY. Our boy BD's got what it takes to connect with people.

178 Nevergiveup  10/11/08 10:11:52 am reply quote

re: #168 pbird

He's very evocative for some of us.

evocative --Now that's a sat word.

179 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  10/11/08 10:12:35 am reply quote

re: #170 SpartanWoman

I hate his voice and he lead the way for so many other shitty voices to pass themselves off as singers.

I loved when The Travelling Wilburys would have him & Tom Petty sing right after one another. "Mhh whha,tel jyuahkk... take it, Tom!" "Mhh whha,tel jyuahkk..."

180 lawhawk  10/11/08 10:13:10 am reply quote

re: #173 yma o hyd

Of course they're celebrating - everyone else is getting a taste of what Iranians have had to deal with for 30 years under the mad mullahs.

Oh, but here's the thing. As bad as things are in the US and West, they're even worse in Iran, whose sole export of value (excepting terrorism), is oil - whose value is down 30% from its high, and will likely continue dropping like a stone because of the market turbulence. So, they wont have the money to do all the things they'd like to do - like pay for their nuke program, fund their military, fund their proxy terror armies, and keep their people contented with subsidized gas....

181 Oldasdirt  10/11/08 10:13:42 am reply quote

Hey lizards.One heck of a morn.Have been in convesation with a lib all morn."Bummer"Dont do it unless you have to.
They live in a utopian world,thinking everone has the right to do what they want.And what they do will have no effect on anyone else.They dont take into consideration the butterfly efect.What one person is allowed to do will effect everyone else.

182 pre-Boomer Marine brat  10/11/08 10:13:42 am reply quote

re: #166 rawmuse

Bob Dylan, one of the most over rated musicians of our time. A guy with a leftist message, a harmonica strapped on and a vocal tessitura of about a major sixth.

He HAS tessituras?!?!

/... oh, never mind ... wasn't what it sounded like it might be

183 Killgore Trout  10/11/08 10:14:07 am reply quote

re: #173 yma o hyd

The entire RoP is cheering the economic crisis....
US enemies in Mideast gloat over financial crisis

Hardline clerics across the region and groups like Hamas and al-Qaida took delight in America's financial woes even though it has not left the region unscathed, with stock markets across the Middle East dropping more than 10 percent last week.

"We are witnessing the collapse of the American Empire," Hamas prime minister in the Gaza Strip, Ismail Haniyeh, told worshippers during Friday prayers. "What's going on in America is a result of the violation of the rights of people in Palestine, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan and Muslims around the world."
..
One hardline Sunni cleric in U.S.-allied Lebanon saw the financial collapse as God's answer to Muslim prayers.

"God has responded to the supplications of the oppressed people," Mufti of Mount Lebanon Sheik Mohammed Ali al-Jouzo told the state-run news agency Thursday. "It is the curse that hits every arrogant power."

They should be worried that our financial crisis means they may get less financial aid.

184 amphibian  10/11/08 10:14:34 am reply quote

re: #126 lawhawk

I think you misunderstand. What Ace is getting at is that Obama's supporters are morons, and they're pushing this to spread their moronic beliefs to others who aren't going to be paying that close attention.

OK, got it now.

185 mamashawna  10/11/08 10:14:58 am reply quote

I just did this trick on both our computers, and it works! LGF loads FAST, especially the link viewer on the home page. They are always the slowest to load for me! Your tidbit for the day....now I's gots to go to Spooners Punkin Patch with youngson and get pumpkins and go through their awesome corn maze. Fun for a beautiful fall day in Puget Sound!

MAKING MOZILLA 10x FASTER

THIS IS A VERY SIMPLE TRICK.....NO SOFTWARE REQUIRED......NO DL REQUIRED
1. Type 'about:config' into the address bar and hit enter. Scroll down and look for the following entries:
2. Alter the entries as follows:
Set 'network.http.pipelining' to 'true'
Set 'network.http.proxy.pipelining' to 'true'
set 'network.http.pipelining.maxrequests' to some number like 30. This means it will make 30 requests at once.
3. Lastly right-click anywhere and select New-Integer. Name it 'nglayout.initialpaint.delay' and set its value to '0'. This value is the amount of time the browser waits before it acts on information it receives.
NOTE:this trick only works for broadband users not for dialup

186 odinga  10/11/08 10:15:48 am reply quote

1. Don't back down.
2. Give the moonbats hell.
3. Try to be rational.
4. But if you can't don't let that stop you.

The latest Newsweek Newspeak poll which has Obama up by +11 had oversampled democrat by 28-30%.

408 Democrats
280 Repubs

Ignore the polls and stay fixed in your determination. We are going to have to win this for McCain in spite of McCain. Obama is simply too dangerous and has an enormous fear-factor.

MSM
DON'T TRED ON ME

187 looking closely  10/11/08 10:16:09 am reply quote

re: #137 Nevergiveup

I am 53 and I took them.

My GRANDMOTHER (who has been gone for quite a while) took the SATs.
The test has been around since the 1920s.

188 arethusa  10/11/08 10:16:10 am reply quote

/For such a dumb woman, she can read the Troopergate report and draw the correct conclusions.

Unlike the MSM or Obama supporters.

189 SpartanWoman  10/11/08 10:16:13 am reply quote

re: #181 Oldasdirt

Hey lizards.One heck of a morn.Have been in convesation with a lib all morn."Bummer"Dont do it unless you have to.
They live in a utopian world,thinking everone has the right to do what they want.And what they do will have no effect on anyone else.They dont take into consideration the butterfly efect.What one person is allowed to do will effect everyone else.

Don't forget that they are convinced that Obama=world peace. And I do mean convinced not optimistic and not hopeful. They are Borg-like, programmed. They can't tell you how but they "Just know"

190 FrogMarch  10/11/08 10:16:17 am reply quote

re: #172 nigella

Frog march, unfortunately I can't remember where it was, and I'm ashamed to admit I can't link. I'm computer illiterate! It was probably Gateway pundit.

No worries. My suspicions are that "some" of the crazies are not our side. They are plants.
There might be some idiots who think Obama is an Arab - but I seriously doubt anyone would be dumb enough to say "kill him". That's a very KOS thing to say/do.

191 JustMyView  10/11/08 10:16:40 am reply quote

re: #92 Sharmuta

PUMAs = 5-7 million voters
ACORN = 1.5 million registrations

The party that voter fraud is going to hurt in this election isn't ours.

Unless of course we engage in ti ourselves.

Actually, the entity most hurt by voter fraud is ACORN. Apart from the cost to their reputation (such as it is), they've paid people to collect fake signatures, some of whom will not show up to vote. Even if Tony Romo's name had made it onto the list of registered voters in Nevada, he was not going to appear on Election Day. It is beyond plausibility that there is a significant effort to coordinate fake registrations with fake voters across the nation.

What there is is an organization that pays people with very limited skills and work experience to do very unpleasant and unrewarding work. Unsurprisingly, some of them will try to get away with getting paid without doing the work.

Anything that can be done will be done imperfectly. If ACORN registers 1 million new voters nationwide with a 5% error rate, there will be 50,000 flawed registration applications, resulting in news stories about "tens of thousands" of fake applications.

The insult to the public in all this is not really an effect on the electoral process; it's the waste of resources associated with public officials having to screen these applications.

192 realwest  10/11/08 10:16:53 am reply quote

re: #166 rawmuse
Hey my friend - can't stand Dylan's voice or musicianship with any instrument, guitar or harmonica, but the dude really did write some incredible damn lyrics.
Same can be said of Neil Young.
Both moonbats, neither can sing, but they write some damn good tunes. Speaking of Dylan's song writing:[Link: www.imeem.com...]

193 Fat Jolly Penguin  10/11/08 10:17:06 am reply quote

re: #172 nigella

Frog march, unfortunately I can't remember where it was, and I'm ashamed to admit I can't link. I'm computer illiterate! It was probably Gateway pundit.

Here it is for you. :)

195 jemima  10/11/08 10:18:19 am reply quote

re: #73 pingjockey

Mwahahaha! Turn him from a rooster to a hen.

Maybe you're thinking turn him from a rooster to a capon.

196 esch  10/11/08 10:18:55 am reply quote

re: #188 arethusa

OT and just curious. Spider Robinson fan?

197 arethusa  10/11/08 10:18:59 am reply quote

re: #187 looking closely

My GRANDMOTHER (who has been gone for quite a while) took the SATs.
The test has been around since the 1920s.

But it took a while for them to be required by some colleges. So a good number of 50+ people may not have taken them.

198 MandyManners  10/11/08 10:19:16 am reply quote

re: #181 Oldasdirt

Hey lizards.One heck of a morn.Have been in convesation with a lib all morn."Bummer"Dont do it unless you have to.
They live in a utopian world,thinking everone has the right to do what they want.And what they do will have no effect on anyone else.They dont take into consideration the butterfly efect.What one person is allowed to do will effect everyone else.

Sounds like The Kid.

199 Killgore Trout  10/11/08 10:19:55 am reply quote

Everybody will love us once Obama gets elected.

200 FrogMarch  10/11/08 10:20:17 am reply quote

re: #194 FrogMarch

Palin Corrects Corrupt Media On Troopergate: "You Need to Read the Report" (Video)

Democratic state Senator Hollis French, the lead investigator in the smear campaign against Governor Palin, promised his party that the results of the Troopergate probe would be an "October surprise" that would "likely be damaging to the administration."


Hollis French help deliver the MSM's headline.

201 MandyManners  10/11/08 10:20:28 am reply quote

re: #186 odinga

1. Don't back down.
2. Give the moonbats hell.
3. Try to be rational.
4. But if you can't don't let that stop you.

The latest Newsweek Newspeak poll which has Obama up by +11 had oversampled democrat by 28-30%.

408 Democrats
280 Repubs
Ignore the polls and stay fixed in your determination. We are going to have to win this for McCain in spite of McCain. Obama is simply too dangerous and has an enormous fear-factor.

MSM
DON'T TRED ON ME

Dirty rotten bastards.

202 SpartanWoman  10/11/08 10:20:30 am reply quote

re: #197 arethusa

But it took a while for them to be required by some colleges. So a good number of 50+ people may not have taken them.

I myself took the ACT not the SAT, we had a choice and it fit my schedule better

203 Oldasdirt  10/11/08 10:20:45 am reply quote

re: #198 MandyManners

Sounds like The Kid.


No,,a friend from the Netherlands.He is still a friend,,just considered an idiot friend now.

204 pbird  10/11/08 10:20:48 am reply quote

re: #174 MandyManners

A fellow Husky!

Yay!

205 yma o hyd  10/11/08 10:21:05 am reply quote

re: #183 Killgore Trout

Yep - let them cheer - for now.
Inflation is running at 25% in Iran.
Financial troubles in the strong western economies and falling oil prices means there will be less imports from those regions, and as you say, less help coming to them.

Like the trust fund babies - they'll also have to think of using their hands not for holding them out for hand outs, but to actually work with them.

Mind - it looks to me as if its the well sheltered rich 'scholars' who are jubilating, not the people themselves.

206 SpartanWoman  10/11/08 10:21:38 am reply quote

re: #194 FrogMarch

Palin Corrects Corrupt Media On Troopergate: "You Need to Read the Report" (Video)

Who does Caribou Barbie think she is correcting the media? Uppity wench

207 arethusa  10/11/08 10:21:56 am reply quote

re: #196 esch

OT and just curious. Spider Robinson fan?

Huh? Oh, the nic. No, I teach Greek mythology a lot - Arethusa is the patron pagan goddess of Syracuse in Sicily.

208 MandyManners  10/11/08 10:22:16 am reply quote

re: #199 Killgore Trout

Everybody will love us once Obama gets elected.

I'd rather be respected than loved.

209 MandyManners  10/11/08 10:22:42 am reply quote

re: #203 Oldasdirt

No,,a friend from the Netherlands.He is still a friend,,just considered an idiot friend now.

Well, The Kid is eight but, that's his mentality.

210 OldLineTexan  10/11/08 10:23:08 am reply quote

re: #208 MandyManners

I'd rather be respected than loved.

I would take fear over respect in some cases, but I am just a lovable teddy bear of a guy.

211 Nevergiveup  10/11/08 10:23:10 am reply quote

re: #208 MandyManners

I'd rather be respected than loved.

maybe it's better to be feared?

212 realwest  10/11/08 10:23:17 am reply quote

re: #191 JustMyView
Uh,

Anything that can be done will be done imperfectly. If ACORN registers 1 million new voters nationwide with a 5% error rate, there will be 50,000 flawed registration applications, resulting in news stories about "tens of thousands" of fake applications votes.

Thought I'd correct that for you and so far, in Ohio, the ACORN registrations of about 5,000 new voters have turned up 2,100 "fake" or forged or whatever you want to call it, voter registrations. That's close to 50% FAKE in Ohio and I think the real insult to America is that many folks in many crucial states could get screwed - see what Al Gore thinks about Florida 2000 - not that he was right, mind you, but I'm using it as an example of how just a "few thousand" votes can screw our entire system.

213 sattv4u2  10/11/08 10:23:53 am reply quote

re: #199 Killgore Trout

Everybody will love us once Obama gets elected.

Not only that, there will be no more racism. If you live in an inner city, you'll be able to leave the keys in your car overnioght and your front door unlocked all day as your off too work (which, as a middle class person, you'll be grossly overpaid for and the owner of the company will have to divvy up all his income to you and your co-workers, so it's "FAIR") . There will be no more Erictile Dysfuntion Syndrome.

214 OldLineTexan  10/11/08 10:23:54 am reply quote

re: #209 MandyManners

Well, The Kid is eight but, that's his mentality.

The Kid still has a damned good shot at maturity. The Dutch dope is doomed.

215 OldLineTexan  10/11/08 10:24:16 am reply quote

re: #211 Nevergiveup

maybe it's better to be feared?

I believe I am owed a Coke.

/

216 ibmkeyboard  10/11/08 10:24:20 am reply quote

re: #199 Killgore Trout

Everybody will love us once Obama gets elected.

We will be the envy of the universe.
He will heal all know disease.
Global warming/cooling will cease.


Live long and prosper.

[Link: 1.bp.blogspot.com...]

217 esch  10/11/08 10:24:25 am reply quote

re: #207 arethusa

Ok, thanks. That is another interesting tidbit.

218 sattv4u2  10/11/08 10:24:47 am reply quote

re: #202 SpartanWoman

I myself took the ACT not the SAT, we had a choice and it fit my schedule better

me too. I ended up ACTing like I knew how to pass the SAT!

219 realwest  10/11/08 10:24:50 am reply quote

re: #199 Killgore Trout
Yeah, but I won't.

220 Nevergiveup  10/11/08 10:24:59 am reply quote

re: #215 OldLineTexan

I believe I am owed a Coke.

/

make it a beer and your on

221 SpartanWoman  10/11/08 10:25:09 am reply quote

re: #216 ibmkeyboard

We will be the envy of the universe.
He will heal all know disease.
Global warming/cooling will cease.


Live long and prosper.

[Link: 1.bp.blogspot.com...]

...and the world will be perfected under his unchallenged rule

222 Sharmuta  10/11/08 10:25:20 am reply quote

re: #191 JustMyView

The insult to the public in all this is not really an effect on the electoral process; it's the waste of resources associated with public officials having to screen these applications.

I'm sorry, but I'm more than willing to allow my tax dollars to go towards screening registrations in an attempt to assure the public the election is free of corruption and fraud.

What's insulting is that ACORN gets tax money that they use to defraud not only my vote and the votes of my fellow citizens, but they're costing tax payers even more money because we have to screen their registrations and fight to uphold the law in court.

223 OldLineTexan  10/11/08 10:25:40 am reply quote

re: #220 Nevergiveup

make it a beer and your on

Twist my arm!

224 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  10/11/08 10:26:00 am reply quote

re: #211 Nevergiveup

maybe it's better to be feared?

Oderint dum metuant
Let them hate us as long as they fear us.

225 FrogMarch  10/11/08 10:26:01 am reply quote

re: #172 nigella

Frog march, unfortunately I can't remember where it was, and I'm ashamed to admit I can't link. I'm computer illiterate! It was probably Gateway pundit.

Here:
[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

226 wrenchwench  10/11/08 10:26:08 am reply quote

I spoke with a customer this morning whose wife is deputy county clerk (or something like that) and he told me that this week a lot of people came into the clerk's office this week because they were told they HAD TO vote early at the clerk's office, not at their usual precinct polling place on election day. We speculated that it was the Obama campaign spreading the disinformation. I had early voting suggested to me a week ago by some 11 year old girls who were pushing Obama.

This is in New Mexico.

227 esch  10/11/08 10:26:24 am reply quote

re: #212 realwest

And we laugh at countries where the tyrant-in-chief gets 100% of the vote.

**FUME**

228 SpartanWoman  10/11/08 10:27:03 am reply quote

re: #222 Sharmuta

Yep we are paying to be scammed.

He's gonna change it, and rearrange it...Obama's gonna leeeeeeead! (the nation right down the toilet)

229 realwest  10/11/08 10:27:26 am reply quote

re: #222 Sharmuta
Hey Sharm - please see my #212 above.

230 OldLineTexan  10/11/08 10:27:27 am reply quote

re: #226 wrenchwench

I spoke with a customer this morning whose wife is deputy county clerk (or something like that) and he told me that this week a lot of people came into the clerk's office this week because they were told they HAD TO vote early at the clerk's office, not at their usual precinct polling place on election day. We speculated that it was the Obama campaign spreading the disinformation. I had early voting suggested to me a week ago by some 11 year old girls who were pushing Obama.

This is in New Mexico.

Yes, they want the votes in the bag NOW.

231 MJ  10/11/08 10:28:05 am reply quote

Obama gets the NYT special rate for Leftists from the Television networks:

Obama's Primetime Buy Comes at Bargain Price
By Lisa deMoraes
Barack Obama's presidential campaign is getting a bargain for the half-hour of Oct. 29 primetime it's bought on CBS and NBC.

The Democratic presidential candidate's camp is paying under $1 million to each network to run the programming it will produce for the first half-hour of primetime that Wednesday night, less than a week before the election. This is considerably less than the networks would otherwise get for the 10-11 ad "units" they run during that half hour, between 8 and 8:30 p.m.

Obama is not getting a price break; the campaign will be charged what's called the "lowest unit cost," in compliance with federal law."

[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]


Right, except McCain agreed to accept Fed.funds for his campaign so is limited on what he can spend. Barry is buying the election thanks to the same folks who work in the news media owned by these same networks.

232 arethusa  10/11/08 10:28:38 am reply quote

re: #212 realwest

Fake registrations may have another effect: I presume ACORN's are Democratic, which of course in large enough numbers would skew the sampling of the polls that still try to reflect party affiliation (as opposed to those polls that have thrown it out the window, like the Star-Tribune and Newsweek), since those voters don't actually exist. A lot of battleground states - PA and FL at least - register by party.

233 Nevergiveup  10/11/08 10:28:45 am reply quote

re: #228 SpartanWoman

Yep we are paying to be scammed.

He's gonna change it, and rearrange it...Obama's gonna leeeeeeead! (the nation right down the toilet)

You know my mother in law lives with us and she has Alzheimer's and she likes to watch the water go round and round as the toilet flushes. Maybe she knows something?

234 sattv4u2  10/11/08 10:28:46 am reply quote

re: #226 wrenchwench

re: #230 OldLineTexan

I tell them if they go vote November 5th, they'll

A) get free stuff
B) have less of a line to stand in
C) get their votes counted twice !

235 MandyManners  10/11/08 10:28:58 am reply quote

re: #210 OldLineTexan

I would take fear over respect in some cases, but I am just a lovable teddy bear of a guy.

re: #211 Nevergiveup

maybe it's better to be feared?

Fear is a component of respect at some level.

236 SpartanWoman  10/11/08 10:29:44 am reply quote

re: #233 Nevergiveup

You know my mother in law lives with us and she has Alzheimer's and she likes to watch the water go round and round as the toilet flushes. Maybe she knows something?

She is watching the 2009 State of the Union address

237 FrogMarch  10/11/08 10:30:10 am reply quote

re: #212 realwest

Uh,

Thought I'd correct that for you and so far, in Ohio, the ACORN registrations of about 5,000 new voters have turned up 2,100 "fake" or forged or whatever you want to call it, voter registrations. That's close to 50% FAKE in Ohio and I think the real insult to America is that many folks in many crucial states could get screwed - see what Al Gore thinks about Florida 2000 - not that he was right, mind you, but I'm using it as an example of how just a "few thousand" votes can screw our entire system.

Hi Real-
I'd caution a Florida 2000 comparison. The reality in Florida 2000:
A butterfly ballot designed by a democrat -&- The media called Florida with only 1% reporting *before* the pan-handle closed its voting. Those issues point again to a media trying to sway the electorate towards the candidate they want. So ACORN vote fraud 2008 and Florida 2000 close election - are apples and oranges.

238 Nevergiveup  10/11/08 10:30:13 am reply quote

re: #235 MandyManners

Fear is a component of respect at some level.

Well being a Dentist I know alot about that!

239 sattv4u2  10/11/08 10:31:07 am reply quote

re: #233 Nevergiveup

You know my mother in law lives with us and she has Alzheimer's and she likes to watch the water go round and round as the toilet flushes. Maybe she knows something?

Cool ,,, a new toilet is less exensive than an HD TV with cable!

240 pre-Boomer Marine brat  10/11/08 10:31:08 am reply quote

re: #238 Nevergiveup

Well being a Dentist I know alot about that!

LOL!

241 jaunte  10/11/08 10:31:17 am reply quote

re: #231 MJ

“If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election.”
--Barack Obama

He also promises not to raise taxes.

242 right_on_target  10/11/08 10:31:35 am reply quote

Everybody reading this [using Windows] click on your calendar and move the year to 1982 and the month March. On the Gawker site the document shows the SAT test date as Mar 23 which is on a Tuesday. I remember the test date was a Saturday, never on a weekday.

BTW. Do not save the date on the calendar!

243 esch  10/11/08 10:31:41 am reply quote

re: #238 Nevergiveup

Well being a Dentist I know alot about that!

Drill, baby Drill!

244 Nevergiveup  10/11/08 10:32:18 am reply quote

re: #239 sattv4u2

Cool ,,, a new toilet is less exensive than an HD TV with cable!

You sure about that?

245 FrogMarch  10/11/08 10:32:37 am reply quote

re: #206 SpartanWoman

Who does Caribou Barbie think she is correcting the media? Uppity wench

How dare she. She better lay down and die - the lying left-wingers hate her and the media hate her and ....

246 OldLineTexan  10/11/08 10:32:39 am reply quote

re: #227 esch

And we laugh at countries where the tyrant-in-chief gets 100% of the vote.

**FUME**

You know, if the Greatest Democracy on Earth would get a turn-out of better than 25-40%, MAYBE the voter fraud would become insignificant.

As it is, I fully expect a sizable chunk of eligible US citizens to pass on voting, even in this election.

247 cblesz  10/11/08 10:32:39 am reply quote

re: #201 MandyManners

Dirty rotten bastards.

I wonder how many of those "Democrats" are the recently registered homeless and dead? People need to know about this because the mindset of the voter is that they want to be on the winning side and if the polls say JACKASS is going to win, they will vote for him...arghhhhhh!

248 sattv4u2  10/11/08 10:32:42 am reply quote

re: #244 Nevergiveup

You sure about that?

I'll call Kohler

249 SpartanWoman  10/11/08 10:32:57 am reply quote

re: #241 jaunte

“If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election.”
--Barack Obama

He also promises not to raise taxes.

And nobody cares. Not about Ayers, not about Rezko, not about Acorn.
It's all about the O. We are pissing in the wind unless the MSM takes action.

250 arethusa  10/11/08 10:33:14 am reply quote

re: #226 wrenchwench


This is in New Mexico.

I've got a friend in voter registration in NM (not ACORN) who's openly boasted to me about the voters she signs up regardless of whether they're registered or not, and how she "confuses" Republicans asking her questions about where to vote, etc. She thinks I'm for Obama, and right now I regard her as an ex-friend...I just want to be able to tell her off on November 5 what I really think about what she's doing.

251 JustMyView  10/11/08 10:33:22 am reply quote

re: #212 realwest

Uh,

Thought I'd correct that for you and so far, in Ohio, the ACORN registrations of about 5,000 new voters have turned up 2,100 "fake" or forged or whatever you want to call it, voter registrations. That's close to 50% FAKE in Ohio and I think the real insult to America is that many folks in many crucial states could get screwed - see what Al Gore thinks about Florida 2000 - not that he was right, mind you, but I'm using it as an example of how just a "few thousand" votes can screw our entire system.

But applications for registration are not votes. For fraudulent applications to affect an election, they have to be translated into votes. The applications you point to won't be translated into votes. The "victims" in this case are ACORN, since they paid for a flawed product, and the state of Ohio, since it has to spend time screening out faulty applications. Every election year, there's a great outcry about fraudulent applications, but there's not an equivalent set of stories about actual fraudulent voting. And the stories would exist if the voting occurred, because the party affected would have reason to publicize them.

252 pre-Boomer Marine brat  10/11/08 10:33:58 am reply quote

re: #242 right_on_target

Everybody reading this [using Windows] click on your calendar and move the year to 1982 and the month March. On the Gawker site the document shows the SAT test date as Mar 23 which is on a Tuesday. I remember the test date was a Saturday, never on a weekday.

BTW. Do not save the date on the calendar!

Good catch, good exposure.

253 jcm  10/11/08 10:34:02 am reply quote

re: #232 arethusa

Fake registrations may have another effect: I presume ACORN's are Democratic, which of course in large enough numbers would skew the sampling of the polls that still try to reflect party affiliation (as opposed to those polls that have thrown it out the window, like the Star-Tribune and Newsweek), since those voters don't actually exist. A lot of battleground states - PA and FL at least - register by party.

In both Indianapolis and Milwaukee ACORN registrations have pushed the number of registered voters over the number of eligible voters. In WA there in 04 there were 2000 more ballots cast than voters who voted.

254 Nevergiveup  10/11/08 10:34:13 am reply quote

re: #249 SpartanWoman

And nobody cares. Not about Ayers, not about Rezko, not about Acorn.
It's all about the O. We are pissing in the wind unless the MSM takes action.

But a woman pissing in the wind is less likely to get it in the face than a guy? Just saying.

255 sattv4u2  10/11/08 10:35:17 am reply quote

re: #241 jaunte

re: #249 SpartanWoman

I've said it before, i'll say it again. STOP wasting time talking to Obamatons. STOP wasting time preaching to the choir (those of us here that know about Obama and agree he is a fraud)

DO go out and find an UNDECIDED voter. Talk calmly, reasonably and ligically to him/ her. We need EVERY legit vote to combat this

256 OldLineTexan  10/11/08 10:35:28 am reply quote

re: #247 cblesz

I wonder how many of those "Democrats" are the recently registered homeless and dead? People need to know about this because the mindset of the voter is that they want to be on the winning side and if the polls say JACKASS is going to win, they will vote for him...arghhhhhh!

Which is why I support a BAN (yes, I'm no doubt a crypto-fascist) on election reporting with 1% in.

You know what? Let's wait a day (or even two) and get a FAIR count.

I don't need Wolf Blitzer in New York telling the folks in California it's over.

257 esch  10/11/08 10:35:56 am reply quote

re: #246 OldLineTexan

We should make the day a national holiday, most businesses must be closed and broadcasting stations are forced to cover the election, even if all they do is display a "GO VOTE" screen all day.

I know, pipe dream.

258 jcm  10/11/08 10:36:22 am reply quote

re: #251 JustMyView

But applications for registration are not votes. For fraudulent applications to affect an election, they have to be translated into votes. The applications you point to won't be translated into votes. The "victims" in this case are ACORN, since they paid for a flawed product, and the state of Ohio, since it has to spend time screening out faulty applications. Every election year, there's a great outcry about fraudulent applications, but there's not an equivalent set of stories about actual fraudulent voting. And the stories would exist if the voting occurred, because the party affected would have reason to publicize them.

I repeat my self.
In WA in 04 in King Co. 2000 more ballots cast than voters who voted. The (D) won by 133. 5 members of ACORN are doing jail time for fraudulent registrations. In WA there is a detailed record of fraudulent ballots being certified for the election.

You are full of shit.

259 Celtic Templar  10/11/08 10:36:58 am reply quote

OT: Obama Ads in Video Games

Burnout: Paradise (a racing game on XBOX) gets updated billboards through XBOX Live. Recently Obama Ads have been posted in game on billboards as you drive - you see Obama's head and his stupid slogan.

260 SpartanWoman  10/11/08 10:37:00 am reply quote

re: #257 esch

We should make the day a national holiday, most businesses must be closed and broadcasting stations are forced to cover the election, even if all they do is display a "GO VOTE" screen all day.

I know, pipe dream.

I would force networks to close or run Star Trek marathons so they can't scam the vote.

261 arethusa  10/11/08 10:37:02 am reply quote

re: #253 jcm

In both Indianapolis and Milwaukee ACORN registrations have pushed the number of registered voters over the number of eligible voters. In WA there in 04 there were 2000 more ballots cast than voters who voted.

Whoa. How did that happen? 2000 ballots just showed up out of the blue?

BTW, that is another thing the OH SOS is doing; normally poll workers would take election machines home overnight to safeguard them - she is insisting they be left in the polling places. (Both ways are not tamper-proof, obviously, but hers is more likely to abet tampering with the machines.)

262 OldLineTexan  10/11/08 10:37:45 am reply quote

re: #258 jcm

I love the "ACORN is the real victim" mantra.

ACORN is doing exactly what they've ALWAYS done. Assuming they are NOT insane, they must like the results.

263 realwest  10/11/08 10:37:50 am reply quote

re: #237 FrogMarch
Sorry, I thought I was making the point that a "few" thousand votes either way could change an election, and ACORN, with a nearly 50% FRAUDULENT registration in Ohio, ought to not be allowed to register voters. Period.

264 looking closely  10/11/08 10:38:12 am reply quote

#251

I was wondering about this a bit.
Fake registrations are one thing, and presumably the point by ACORN is ultimately to translate the fake registrations into actual votes.
But how do they do that?
Someone (or more likely groups of somones) have to come in and actually CAST the false ballots. Presumably someone minding the store would notice if the same person came in to vote 20 times.
Are ACORN members actually staffing the polls?
Or are all the fraudulent ballots, write-in ballots?
If so, shouldn't write in ballots be subject to intense scrutiny?

265 OldLineTexan  10/11/08 10:38:25 am reply quote

re: #260 SpartanWoman

I would force networks to close or run Star Trek marathons so they can't scam the vote.

There goes the basement-dwelling nerd/geek vote!

266 sattv4u2  10/11/08 10:38:42 am reply quote

re: #251 JustMyView

re: #258 jcm

JMV
I had halfway typed what JCM posted re: King County, Washington
Your #251 is naive at best

267 Killgore Trout  10/11/08 10:38:47 am reply quote

re: #259 Celtic Templar

That's actually a good idea.

268 arethusa  10/11/08 10:38:58 am reply quote

re: #263 realwest

Sorry, I thought I was making the point that a "few" thousand votes either way could change an election, and ACORN, with a nearly 50% FRAUDULENT registration in Ohio, ought to not be allowed to register voters. Period.

/Yeah, I mean, why can't they stay within 10%? :-)

(With you all the way, realwest.)

269 yma o hyd  10/11/08 10:39:26 am reply quote

re: #261 arethusa

Whoa. How did that happen? 2000 ballots just showed up out of the blue?

BTW, that is another thing the OH SOS is doing; normally poll workers would take election machines home overnight to safeguard them - she is insisting they be left in the polling places. (Both ways are not tamper-proof, obviously, but hers is more likely to abet tampering with the machines.)

Only one thing to do - get Republican volunteers out in large numbers to watch voting and guard the polling stations, perhaps together with PUMAs.

270 Oldasdirt  10/11/08 10:39:52 am reply quote

Libeals want to belive the lie.Even when you put the fact right in there face,they still will belive the lie.Someone smarter than me and not as mad as me needs to find a way to deal with these people.My way would work,but mass murder is not the right way to deal with them.I have alot of ammo.but still not that much.
I do think it starts with our education system(1 thru12) and collage, that has been ruiend by the libeals in our country.Maybe go back to teaching the constitution and leaveing our childern with an open mind.Like when i grew up.Not letting lib teachers fill young empty heads with socialistic ideas.This I belive has to be stopped first.

271 JustMyView  10/11/08 10:40:00 am reply quote

re: #222 Sharmuta

I'm sorry, but I'm more than willing to allow my tax dollars to go towards screening registrations in an attempt to assure the public the election is free of corruption and fraud.

Me too! I was just pointing out where the offense to the public lies--in the registration process rather than in the voting process.

272 realwest  10/11/08 10:40:07 am reply quote

re: #246 OldLineTexan
Great, Spot On Post.
Hell at this point, I'd settle for 60% voter turnout.

Folks who haven't had to sacrifice for this great Nation (and NO I don't mean with military service only) don't vote. Period.
Unless there's some, ah, inducement for 'em ya know?

273 OldLineTexan  10/11/08 10:40:10 am reply quote

re: #269 yma o hyd

Only one thing to do - get Republican volunteers out in large numbers to watch voting and guard the polling stations, perhaps together with PUMAs.

You will get sued into the Stone Age for voter intimidation. Inadvisable at best.

/not a new tactic

274 MandyManners  10/11/08 10:40:27 am reply quote

re: #214 OldLineTexan

The Kid still has a damned good shot at maturity. The Dutch dope is doomed.

How old is the Dutch?

275 Celtic Templar  10/11/08 10:40:34 am reply quote

re: #267 Killgore Trout

That's actually a good idea.

No comment on whether I thought it was a good idea or not. As a gamer, terrible idea - show me Ford or Toyota ads or something less sensitive than politics.

What's next Scientology ads? Discovery Institute ads? Viagra ads?

Eeek. And why the f&ck are the games still expensive if they're getting this ad revenue?

276 arethusa  10/11/08 10:40:37 am reply quote

re: #264 looking closely

This is why I'm volunteering as an election judge on Nov. 4. Y'all should consider it, if you're not already: employers MUST give you the day off, and some states will pay you for the work.

277 esch  10/11/08 10:40:45 am reply quote

re: #260 SpartanWoman

No. American Idol and Friends.

278 Sharmuta  10/11/08 10:40:48 am reply quote

re: #251 JustMyView

You are a real piece of work claiming ACORN is a victim of the fraud they are trying to perpetrate. Of course they're not votes.......yet. They can't get fraudulent votes without fraudulent registrations first. But you go ahead and keep bemoaning that they're the victims here and not the American people they're trying to undermine with their scheming.

279 OldLineTexan  10/11/08 10:41:11 am reply quote

re: #272 realwest

Great, Spot On Post.
Hell at this point, I'd settle for 60% voter turnout.

Folks who haven't had to sacrifice for this great Nation (and NO I don't mean with military service only) don't vote. Period.
Unless there's some, ah, inducement for 'em ya know?

6 month free extension on your driver's license
6 months off the jury pool (optional)

280 Killgore Trout  10/11/08 10:41:30 am reply quote

Drudge....

FRANK RICH: Fire stoked by McCain/Palin raging out of control...

MAUREEN DOWD: McCain/Palin rouse the mob against Obama...

Developing...

281 jaunte  10/11/08 10:41:32 am reply quote

re: #271 JustMyView

Public tax money was given to a corrupt organization to register dead and imaginary people to vote. That's an offense to the public.

282 SpartanWoman  10/11/08 10:41:36 am reply quote

re: #277 esch

No. American Idol and Friends.

Excellent plan and probably some soccer

283 looking closely  10/11/08 10:41:50 am reply quote

Its beyond obvious that the ONLY reason to falsely register people to vote, is to try to get in false votes and tip the election.

Given that this is a CRIME (for which people have been convicted), and that its been going on for years, it wouldn't happen if it didn't work.

So again, where do the false votes actually come in? Are they all mail-in ballots?

284 Celtic Templar  10/11/08 10:42:01 am reply quote

re: #251 JustMyView

But applications for registration are not votes. For fraudulent applications to affect an election, they have to be translated into votes. The applications you point to won't be translated into votes. The "victims" in this case are ACORN, since they paid for a flawed product, and the state of Ohio, since it has to spend time screening out faulty applications. Every election year, there's a great outcry about fraudulent applications, but there's not an equivalent set of stories about actual fraudulent voting. And the stories would exist if the voting occurred, because the party affected would have reason to publicize them.

Can't they just absentee ballot these votes? NJ has NO REQUIREMENT for absentee ballots other than registration.

285 Killgore Trout  10/11/08 10:42:38 am reply quote

re: #275 Celtic Templar

And why the f&ck are the games still expensive if they're getting this ad revenue?

Good point.

286 Walter L. Newton  10/11/08 10:42:41 am reply quote

Ot -
Well, Obama is returning the McCains favor, speaking in PA. on Fox.

"McCain is out of touch and out of time."

He said this RIGHT after thanking McCain for toning down the rethoric (as McCain capitulated yesterday on that video).

And his crowd is being just as nasty everytime McCain named is mentioned. And he is not trying to stop them.

Asshole

287 jcm  10/11/08 10:42:53 am reply quote

re: #261 arethusa

Whoa. How did that happen? 2000 ballots just showed up out of the blue?

BTW, that is another thing the OH SOS is doing; normally poll workers would take election machines home overnight to safeguard them - she is insisting they be left in the polling places. (Both ways are not tamper-proof, obviously, but hers is more likely to abet tampering with the machines.)

That was just the initial intake. But the election dept essentially decided we can't tell which are fraudulent which are valid, COUNT ALL THE VOTES. Through 3 recounts unsecured ballots were found 9 different times. WA made FL look like pikers.

288 Sharmuta  10/11/08 10:42:59 am reply quote

re: #280 Killgore Trout

Too bad McCain didn't toss fuel on that fire, huh?

289 esch  10/11/08 10:43:13 am reply quote

re: #283 looking closely

And, are these some of the 'Likely Voters' used to generate these pathetic polls?

290 ploome hineni  10/11/08 10:43:26 am reply quote

PIE

291 Oldasdirt  10/11/08 10:43:40 am reply quote

re: #274 MandyManners

How old is the Dutch?


50 something,,really sad,cause he is a good friend,his parents even fought agints nazi occupation in WWII.Which makes it even sadder.

292 realwest  10/11/08 10:43:47 am reply quote

Hmmm, somewhere up above rawmuse was talking about Bob Dylan, so I thought I'd throw a video out starring Bob, George Harrison, Neil Young, Tom Petty and Eric Clapton doing a great song written by Bob Dylan:[Link: www.imeem.com...]

293 ploome hineni  10/11/08 10:43:52 am reply quote

when does this POS start tap dancing?

294 yma o hyd  10/11/08 10:43:54 am reply quote

re: #273 OldLineTexan

You will get sued into the Stone Age for voter intimidation. Inadvisable at best.

/not a new tactic

Whaaattt?

Ordinary folk standing about is now voter intimidation?
Blydi 'ell, mun - thats beyond belief!

(I'm afraid I do believe you ...)

295 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  10/11/08 10:43:57 am reply quote

re: #275 Celtic Templar

No
comment on whether I thought it was a good idea or not. As a gamer,
terrible idea - show me Ford or Toyota ads or something less sensitive
than politics.

What's next Scientology ads? Discovery Institute ads? Viagra ads?

Eeek. And why the f&ck are the games still expensive if they're getting this ad revenue?

Obama will tax those software developer bastards back to the stone age & give you a tax credit so you can buy more games! CHANGE!

296 ploome hineni  10/11/08 10:44:09 am reply quote

you watching FOX?

297 OldLineTexan  10/11/08 10:44:31 am reply quote

re: #283 looking closely

Absolutely my point.

Many of the false votes concern homeless people with no verifiable address and in some cases no ID. They are bused in, "registered", shown how to fill out the absentee ballot, paid/rewarded, and bused out.

So your average homeless person is not completely stupid, and enjoys the free cigarettes, blanket, meal, etc. and is perfectly willing to get on the bus more than once.

298 arethusa  10/11/08 10:44:50 am reply quote

re: #283 looking closely

Its beyond obvious that the ONLY reason to falsely register people to vote, is to try to get in false votes and tip the election.

So again, where do the false votes actually come in? Are they all mail-in ballots?

Simple math: say you register 5000 fraudulent voters and on Election Day, sure, you won't get all of them in, but if you get even 10% in, you can influence races in that precinct/district/etc.

Solution: tough voter ID laws and a real crack-down on absentee ballots for non-military, non-overseas Americans.

299 pittrader1988  10/11/08 10:44:57 am reply quote

disgusting. and the left has developed a hate for her so much they don't care.

"By any means necessary." that's their motto.

300 MandyManners  10/11/08 10:45:09 am reply quote

re: #226 wrenchwench

I spoke with a customer this morning whose wife is deputy county clerk (or something like that) and he told me that this week a lot of people came into the clerk's office this week because they were told they HAD TO vote early at the clerk's office, not at their usual precinct polling place on election day. We speculated that it was the Obama campaign spreading the disinformation. I had early voting suggested to me a week ago by some 11 year old girls who were pushing Obama.

This is in New Mexico.

The Bernalillo County clerk has notified prosecutors that some 1,100 possibly fraudulent voter registration cards have been turned in to her office.

Some cards in New Mexico’s most populous county have the same name as a voter who’s already registered, but carry a different birth date or Social Security number; some list someone else’s Social Security number; some have addresses that don’t exist, Clerk Maggie Toulouse Oliver said Wednesday.

In one case, a series of about nine cards appears to have been taken directly from the phone book, she said.

“Those are sort of the big red flags,” Toulouse Oliver said.

Some of the estimated 1,100 registrations list Social Security numbers for people who already are in the county’s database of registered voters, Toulouse Oliver said. Other cards list the same name — but a different birth date — of already registered voters.

Some of the people whose names appear in the list of possibly phony registrations, when called by the clerk’s office, said they never filled out the new cards changing their voter data, Toulouse Oliver said.

In addition, “We do have a series of cards identified that appear to be (names) taken straight out of the phone book, Toulouse Oliver said.

Michelle Malkin.

301 looking closely  10/11/08 10:45:19 am reply quote

re: #289 esch

And, are these some of the 'Likely Voters' used to generate these pathetic polls?


Probably not.

The non-existent, dead, moved, multiply registered, fake "voters" aren't responding to polls.

302 cblesz  10/11/08 10:46:21 am reply quote

just mailed my absentee ballot...oh well.

303 OldLineTexan  10/11/08 10:47:05 am reply quote

re: #294 yma o hyd

Whaaattt?

Ordinary folk standing about is now voter intimidation?
Blydi 'ell, mun - thats beyond belief!

(I'm afraid I do believe you ...)

It is claimed every year.

In many neighborhoods in Houston, you had better make sure that you don't get picked out as a "poll watcher" - they have thugs for that.

IOW, unless you are a known Lib whackjob, you had better not be WHITE and standing anywhere near a Fifth Ward polling place.

/yes, I said it

304 Walter L. Newton  10/11/08 10:47:23 am reply quote

re: #296 ploome hineni

you watching FOX?

Obama, yes, (See my 286 above), what is this guy doing? Talk about playing to "nergo stereotypes" he's got them "home, down on the farm."

If a white politican said anything like this, the shit would fly.

305 MandyManners  10/11/08 10:47:26 am reply quote

re: #238 Nevergiveup

Well being a Dentist I know alot about that!

AAIIIYEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

306 realwest  10/11/08 10:47:42 am reply quote

re: #292 realwest
Huh, those dudes and dudettes were having waaay too much fun to be getting paid for it! LOL!

307 MandyManners  10/11/08 10:48:25 am reply quote

re: #247 cblesz

I wonder how many of those "Democrats" are the recently registered homeless and dead? People need to know about this because the mindset of the voter is that they want to be on the winning side and if the polls say JACKASS is going to win, they will vote for him...arghhhhhh!

That's one reason I wish exit polls were prohibited but, can't do that.

308 arethusa  10/11/08 10:49:01 am reply quote

re: #286 Walter L. Newton

And this is the candidate who said he's practice new-style politics...whipping up an audience full of jerks.

Frankly, I don't want McCain to act like a jerk, and I thought the comment he responded to was indeed out-of-line, but there are ways to be tough and attack without being a jerk. McCain should know them by now. Obama will never learn them.

309 MandyManners  10/11/08 10:49:02 am reply quote

re: #250 arethusa

I've got a friend in voter registration in NM (not ACORN) who's openly boasted to me about the voters she signs up regardless of whether they're registered or not, and how she "confuses" Republicans asking her questions about where to vote, etc. She thinks I'm for Obama, and right now I regard her as an ex-friend...I just want to be able to tell her off on November 5 what I really think about what she's doing.

DROP A DIME ON HER SORRY ASS!

310 Sharmuta  10/11/08 10:50:21 am reply quote

New McCain TV ad

/hat tip- Thanos

311 itellu3times  10/11/08 10:50:26 am reply quote

re: #241 jaunte

--Barack Obama

He also promises not to raise taxes.

Exsqueeze me, but I've been meaning to ask, isn't this "no tax increase under $250K" a blatent lie, since he wants to expire the Bush tax cuts?

312 MandyManners  10/11/08 10:50:48 am reply quote

re: #259 Celtic Templar

OT: Obama Ads in Video Games

Burnout: Paradise (a racing game on XBOX) gets updated billboards through XBOX Live. Recently Obama Ads have been posted in game on billboards as you drive - you see Obama's head and his stupid slogan.

Oh, that's smart. Alinksy is smiling in his grave.

313 arethusa  10/11/08 10:50:58 am reply quote

re: #289 esch

And, are these some of the 'Likely Voters' used to generate these pathetic polls?

No, but they do add to the "registered voter" totals. Which polls, someone pointed out yesterday, consistently register higher support for Obama than the likely voter polls (think Gallup). If those polls attempt to weight by party registration, they are skewed if there are enough fraudulent registrations in the system for one or the other party.

314 realwest  10/11/08 10:51:13 am reply quote

re: #309 MandyManners
ABSOLUFUCKINGLUTELY! She's committing a FEDERAL CRIME!

315 FrogMarch  10/11/08 10:51:28 am reply quote

re: #251 JustMyView

But applications for registration are not votes. For fraudulent applications to affect an election, they have to be translated into votes. The applications you point to won't be translated into votes. The "victims" in this case are ACORN, since they paid for a flawed product, and the state of Ohio, since it has to spend time screening out faulty applications. Every election year, there's a great outcry about fraudulent applications, but there's not an equivalent set of stories about actual fraudulent voting. And the stories would exist if the voting occurred, because the party affected would have reason to publicize them.


If the registration forms do get through - then all ACORN has to do is get a people willing to wear disguises, and/or a few homeless people etc.. - to show up and vote numerous times.
In Ohio - it wasn't early registration - it was early voting.

316 George guy  10/11/08 10:51:57 am reply quote

re: #311 itellu3times

Didn't you hear? "Expiring the Bush tax cuts" is not regarded as "raising taxes" by factcheck.org.

317 SpartanWoman  10/11/08 10:52:04 am reply quote

re: #314 realwest

ABSOLUFUCKINGLUTELY! She's committing a FEDERAL CRIME!

Jail her ass, one less Ovote

318 JustMyView  10/11/08 10:52:19 am reply quote

re: #258 jcm

I repeat my self.
In WA in 04 in King Co. 2000 more ballots cast than voters who voted. The (D) won by 133. 5 members of ACORN are doing jail time for fraudulent registrations. In WA there is a detailed record of fraudulent ballots being certified for the election.

You are full of shit.

Do you have a link that provide documentation for all these facts and the connections among them. Am not saying you're wrong, but these are strong claims about a complex set of relationships. For instance, if people were jailed for submitting fraudulent applications, that suggests that there was a process in place to protect the vote. That argues against a flawed election outcome rather than in favor of it.

319 ploome hineni  10/11/08 10:52:39 am reply quote

re: #304 Walter L. Newton

Obama, yes, (See my 286 above), what is this guy doing? Talk about playing to "nergo stereotypes" he's got them "home, down on the farm."

If a white politican said anything like this, the shit would fly.

if you go upthread to find the number of the post you send me off to find, you may as well link to that post, because I am NOT scrolling up

:)

320 yma o hyd  10/11/08 10:52:47 am reply quote

re: #303 OldLineTexan

It is claimed every year.

In many neighborhoods in Houston, you had better make sure that you don't get picked out as a "poll watcher" - they have thugs for that.

IOW, unless you are a known Lib whackjob, you had better not be WHITE and standing anywhere near a Fifth Ward polling place.

/yes, I said it

Cripes!

Its totally tame here: two ladies sitting behind a table in an unheated church hall, two tables, partitioned with plywood, and with curtains - thick pencil on a string ... the ladies check the electoral roll - give you the ballot papers - and they go into a battered, padlocked iron box.
Exit poll - teeheehee, local volunteers from various parties, all well known, all living locally (mostly ladies of a certaina ge ...) - so a nice chat about all sorts of things being had after voting. Thats how its done here.
Tame.

321 MandyManners  10/11/08 10:52:48 am reply quote

re: #251 JustMyView

The "victims" in this case are ACORN, since they paid for a flawed product

Oh, good grief! Do you buy stupidity in bulk?

WE'RE THE ONES PAYING FOR THIS. ACORN'S MONEY DOESN'T GROW ON TREES.

322 Killgore Trout  10/11/08 10:52:49 am reply quote

re: #311 itellu3times


I've been meaning to ask, isn't this "no tax increase under $250K" a blatent lie


Yes.

323 Oldasdirt  10/11/08 10:52:49 am reply quote

re: #310 Sharmuta

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

New McCain TV ad

/hat tip- Thanos


Good add,but I think adding Rev.Wrong and that Cobb gut would be nice to.

324 Walter L. Newton  10/11/08 10:53:02 am reply quote

Listening to Obama on Fox, speaking in Philly, and also his spin miesters, and all the plans he has for saving us from ruin (meaning new programs), reminds me of what Glenn Beck said Thursday.

"Both candidate are saying we are going to hell in a hand basket, the only thing they disagree on is the size of the basket"

Oh, and my parrot screeches everytime Obama opens his mouth.

325 realwest  10/11/08 10:53:37 am reply quote

re: #311 itellu3times
Well no it's not a blatant lie, it's a deception. See folks making $45,000 or more a year will indeed be paying more income taxes, but it isn't a tax increase, just allowing a tax decrease to fade away.
I can't hardly believe I wrote that; hell I could write for CNN but for my integrity.

326 looking closely  10/11/08 10:54:01 am reply quote

re: #298 arethusa

Simple math: say you register 5000 fraudulent voters and on Election Day, sure, you won't get all of them in, but if you get even 10% in, you can influence races in that precinct/district/etc.

Solution: tough voter ID laws and a real crack-down on absentee ballots for non-military, non-overseas Americans.

Of course.
Its obvious WHY this is done. If you can get in even a SMALL number of fraudulent votes in a closely contested swing state that can throw a national election. This is clear.

My question was about the mechanism. HOW exactly are the false votes cast?

And I think I have the answer. . .they're mostly absentee ballots.

Given that, the problem should be trivially easy to fix. Because of the proven vulnerability there and history of fraud, absentee ballots need to be held to high standards of verification.

328 Typicalwhitey  10/11/08 10:54:50 am reply quote

re: #311 itellu3times

Exsqueeze me, but I've been meaning to ask, isn't this "no tax increase under $250K" a blatent lie, since he wants to expire the Bush tax cuts?

YES!
I have been repeating this to people over and over!
McCain needs to SAY THIS IN THE DEBATE!

329 itellu3times  10/11/08 10:55:04 am reply quote

re: #297 OldLineTexan

Absolutely my point.

Many of the false votes concern homeless people with no verifiable address and in some cases no ID. They are bused in, "registered", shown how to fill out the absentee ballot, paid/rewarded, and bused out.

So your average homeless person is not completely stupid, and enjoys the free cigarettes, blanket, meal, etc. and is perfectly willing to get on the bus more than once.

Sounds like a long, busy day for the enterprising homeless!

A clever reporter could sneak into such an operation, or film it going around, ...

330 sattv4u2  10/11/08 10:55:05 am reply quote

re: #250 arethusa

I've got a friend in voter registration in NM (not ACORN) who's openly boasted to me about the voters she signs up regardless of whether they're registered or not, and how she "confuses" Republicans asking her questions about where to vote, etc. She thinks I'm for Obama, and right now I regard her as an ex-friend...I just want to be able to tell her off on November 5 what I really think about what she's doing.

re: #314 realwest

re: #317 SpartanWoman

re: #309 MandyManners

A good quality CELL PHONE makes a great recording !

(you need evidence that she is committing the crime!)

331 realwest  10/11/08 10:55:05 am reply quote

re: #313 arethusa
Actually iirc, it's Zogby who polls Likely Voters and Gallup who polls registered voters.

332 MandyManners  10/11/08 10:55:05 am reply quote

re: #314 realwest

ABSOLUFUCKINGLUTELY! She's committing a FEDERAL CRIME!

Whom to call? D.A.'s office? DoJ?

333 ploome hineni  10/11/08 10:55:47 am reply quote

re: #328 Typicalwhitey

YES!
I have been repeating this to people over and over!
McCain needs to SAY THIS IN THE DEBATE!

McCain is in a fucking coma

his biggest concern is that we respect Obama

/spit

334 arethusa  10/11/08 10:55:58 am reply quote

re: #324 Walter L. Newton


Oh, and my parrot screeches everytime Obama opens his mouth.

My cat hisses. I think his voice annoys her. I had to shut her in the bedroom during the debates.

/and The One may be in Philly, but is he dropping the puck at the Flyers game tonight? No. Real men get to do that! (Ooops, real women.)

335 sattv4u2  10/11/08 10:56:01 am reply quote

re: #321 MandyManners

Oh, good grief! Do you buy stupidity in bulk?

WE'RE THE ONES PAYING FOR THIS. ACORN'S MONEY DOESN'T GROW ON TREES.

SPEEWWWW!~! LOL ,, you owe me! I have to dry clean my shirt now !

(btw ,, can I use the phrase?)

336 FrogMarch  10/11/08 10:56:03 am reply quote

re: #263 realwest

Sorry, I thought I was making the point that a "few" thousand votes either way could change an election, and ACORN, with a nearly 50% FRAUDULENT registration in Ohio, ought to not be allowed to register voters. Period.

I thought that was what you were saying... I just wanted to point out the distinction between swaying the vote (the media inadvertently tried in 2000 -and- out-right cheating - ACORN circa now.)
I agree - if a fraction of ACORN'S fraudulent votes slip through the cracks - then our entire voting system is compromised. /No matter- the ONE will be the beneficiary of the fraud.

337 MandyManners  10/11/08 10:56:32 am reply quote

re: #330 sattv4u2

re: #314 realwest

re: #317 SpartanWoman

re: #309 MandyManners

A good quality CELL PHONE makes a great recording !

(you need evidence that she is committing the crime!)

There ya' go!

338 debutaunt  10/11/08 10:57:10 am reply quote

re: #222 Sharmuta

I'm sorry, but I'm more than willing to allow my tax dollars to go towards screening registrations in an attempt to assure the public the election is free of corruption and fraud.

What's insulting is that ACORN gets tax money that they use to defraud not only my vote and the votes of my fellow citizens, but they're costing tax payers even more money because we have to screen their registrations and fight to uphold the law in court.

Yes!

339 SpartanWoman  10/11/08 10:57:12 am reply quote

re: #333 ploome hineni

McCain is in a fucking coma

his biggest concern is that we respect Obama

/spit

So, he wants the President respected. Even he seems to think it's over

340 goddessoftheclassroom  10/11/08 10:57:16 am reply quote

re: #337 MandyManners

There ya' go!

Be careful about secretly recording, though--that in itself can be a crime.

341 MandyManners  10/11/08 10:57:24 am reply quote

re: #335 sattv4u2

SPEEWWWW!~! LOL ,, you owe me! I have to dry clean my shirt now !

(btw ,, can I use the phrase?)

Sure thing!

342 FrogMarch  10/11/08 10:57:24 am reply quote

re: #311 itellu3times

Exsqueeze me, but I've been meaning to ask, isn't this "no tax increase under $250K" a blatent lie, since he wants to expire the Bush tax cuts?

Obama at the helm with a veto proof congress = we all get a tax increase.

343 yma o hyd  10/11/08 10:57:26 am reply quote

re: #324 Walter L. Newton

Listening to Obama on Fox, speaking in Philly, and also his spin miesters, and all the plans he has for saving us from ruin (meaning new programs), reminds me of what Glenn Beck said Thursday.

"Both candidate are saying we are going to hell in a hand basket, the only thing they disagree on is the size of the basket"

Oh, and my parrot screeches everytime Obama opens his mouth.

Give your parrot a biscuit (or whatever he likes best!) especially from me - cleverness must be rewarded!

344 Oldasdirt  10/11/08 10:57:37 am reply quote

re: #323 Oldasdirt

Good add,but I think adding Rev.Wrong and that Cobb gut would be nice to.


Sorry,,I said Cobb,,strike that,,I ment Mark Rudd.

345 OldLineTexan  10/11/08 10:57:45 am reply quote

re: #320 yma o hyd

Cripes!

Its totally tame here: two ladies sitting behind a table in an unheated church hall, two tables, partitioned with plywood, and with curtains - thick pencil on a string ... the ladies check the electoral roll - give you the ballot papers - and they go into a battered, padlocked iron box.
Exit poll - teeheehee, local volunteers from various parties, all well known, all living locally (mostly ladies of a certaina ge ...) - so a nice chat about all sorts of things being had after voting. Thats how its done here.
Tame.

My LOCAL precinct is very above board...the same elderly Dems and Repubs, all well-known folks.

However, I am in the northwest 'burbs of the county. If you wander into the metro precincts, things are...different.

Quannell X (sp?) has never shown up at my precinct (a local church hall), but he is a regular, along with his crew, at several urban spots.

346 BBEV  10/11/08 10:57:48 am reply quote

re: #325 realwest

Well no it's not a blatant lie, it's a deception. See folks making $45,000 or more a year will indeed be paying more income taxes, but it isn't a tax increase, just allowing a tax decrease to fade away.
I can't hardly believe I wrote that; hell I could write for CNN but for my integrity.

Good afternoon Real.

If Obama wins I'm thinking working a 14+ hour day and 3 jobs will only mean I will be paying most of it to the government. I make a good living but I surly work for it.

347 JustMyView  10/11/08 10:58:03 am reply quote

re: #264 looking closely

#251

I was wondering about this a bit.
Fake registrations are one thing, and presumably the point by ACORN is ultimately to translate the fake registrations into actual votes.
But how do they do that?
Someone (or more likely groups of somones) have to come in and actually CAST the false ballots. Presumably someone minding the store would notice if the same person came in to vote 20 times.
Are ACORN members actually staffing the polls?
Or are all the fraudulent ballots, write-in ballots?
If so, shouldn't write in ballots be subject to intense scrutiny?

These are all the right questions, but I think the answer is reasonably simple. ACORN hires poor people to register voters. They don't much care about electoral integrity. They fill in forms in ways that they find amusing. They turn them in to ACORN and get paid. ACORN turns them in to the state where some of them are disqualified. This process involves costs to the state and to ACORN (since they didn't get what they paid for), but has little if any effect on elections.

But, really, I'm totally in favor of ensuring the integrity of the electoral process and want stringent evaluations of applications. If that is done, I don't think there'd be much of a problem w/ election outcomes.

348 arethusa  10/11/08 10:58:09 am reply quote

re: #330 sattv4u2

re: #314 realwest

re: #317 SpartanWoman

re: #309 MandyManners

A good quality CELL PHONE makes a great recording !

(you need evidence that she is committing the crime!)

How do you record on a cell phone? I have a Samsung. (I have no idea what model, but it has a camera, flip, web surfing, etc., none of which I use.)

349 itellu3times  10/11/08 10:58:13 am reply quote

re: #328 Typicalwhitey

Exsqueeze me, but I've been meaning to ask, isn't this "no tax increase under $250K" a blatent lie, since he wants to expire the Bush tax cuts?

YES!
I have been repeating this to people over and over!
McCain needs to SAY THIS IN THE DEBATE!

Well then, no doubt McCain is just waiting for the right moment to start beating that drum, maybe this Wednesday's debate?

No doubt.

Since the tax ad is the big one 0bambi is running right now?

No doubt.

350 MandyManners  10/11/08 10:58:35 am reply quote

re: #340 goddessoftheclassroom

Be careful about secretly recording, though--that in itself can be a crime.

If the state allows one-party notification, it should be fine. However, that's why I wonder about whom to notify, the D.A. or the DoJ.

351 OldLineTexan  10/11/08 10:59:03 am reply quote

re: #329 itellu3times

Sounds like a long, busy day for the enterprising homeless!

A clever reporter could sneak into such an operation, or film it going around, ...

This doesn't happen on Election Day. It would be happening now. A long and drawn-out process.

352 itellu3times  10/11/08 10:59:28 am reply quote

re: #350 MandyManners

If the state allows one-party notification, it should be fine. However, that's why I wonder about whom to notify, the D.A. or the DoJ.

Notify YouTube.

353 debutaunt  10/11/08 10:59:29 am reply quote

re: #232 arethusa

Fake registrations may have another effect: I presume ACORN's are Democratic, which of course in large enough numbers would skew the sampling of the polls that still try to reflect party affiliation (as opposed to those polls that have thrown it out the window, like the Star-Tribune and Newsweek), since those voters don't actually exist. A lot of battleground states - PA and FL at least - register by party.

It sure strikes me as an attempt to make our voting system appear to be corrupt - create a problem where none used to exist.

354 SpartanWoman  10/11/08 10:59:41 am reply quote

McCain won't even mention the Global Poverty Act either. Fuck it

355 FrogMarch  10/11/08 10:59:46 am reply quote

re: #347 JustMyView

One question:
Why are democrats notoriously against the idea of having to show an ID to vote?

356 Nevergiveup  10/11/08 11:00:00 am reply quote

re: #350 MandyManners

If the state allows one-party notification, it should be fine. However, that's why I wonder about whom to notify, the D.A. or the DoJ.

Well it really all depends on who you get on the phone. A democrat or a Republican. Sad but true.

357 itellu3times  10/11/08 11:00:09 am reply quote

re: #351 OldLineTexan

This doesn't happen on Election Day. It would be happening now. A long and drawn-out process.

True, absentee ballots are so much more convenient.

358 kuchuklambat  10/11/08 11:00:15 am reply quote

what i'd like to see is the grades of Barney Frank, FNMA, SEC bosses and other Harvard grad wonks who slept and stole on their watch.
As I emphasize to my 12 y.o while synopsizing Reagan's bio for her (and her school as most is flooded with Palin/Repub Hate Derangement), in an executive it's the character that matters, pretty much to the exclusion of all else. The exec can think that Chernobyl is in the Revelations, or be stunned that the Russians are afraid of a US first strike, or have bad SAT -- all that matters is knowing right from wrong and having what it takes to do the right thing.

359 Walter L. Newton  10/11/08 11:00:17 am reply quote

I heard on the radio yesterday, but not paying real cole attention, that there was some sort of money going to ACORN in this bailout bill, an automatic 500 dollars to ACORN built into each new mortgage.

Am I missing something, or does anyone have more info on this. I've been off LGF since noon yesterday, so this may have already come up on here.

360 BBEV  10/11/08 11:00:17 am reply quote

re: #330 sattv4u2

re: #314 realwest

re: #317 SpartanWoman

re: #309 MandyManners

A good quality CELL PHONE makes a great recording !

(you need evidence that she is committing the crime!)

I have a sister that was signing up prison inmates for the 2000 elections. I still talk to her.

361 arethusa  10/11/08 11:00:21 am reply quote

re: #354 SpartanWoman

McCain won't even mention the Global Poverty Act either. Fuck it

What's a Global Poverty Act? We should all be poor?

*goes off to Google*

362 ploome hineni  10/11/08 11:00:35 am reply quote

re: #347 JustMyView

These are all the right questions, but I think the answer is reasonably simple. ACORN hires poor people to register voters. They don't much care about electoral integrity. They fill in forms in ways that they find amusing. They turn them in to ACORN and get paid. ACORN turns them in to the state where some of them are disqualified. This process involves costs to the state and to ACORN (since they didn't get what they paid for), but has little if any effect on elections.

But, really, I'm totally in favor of ensuring the integrity of the electoral process and want stringent evaluations of applications. If that is done, I don't think there'd be much of a problem w/ election outcomes.

and Santa Clause comes down your chimney


/asshole

363 Killgore Trout  10/11/08 11:00:48 am reply quote

re: #355 FrogMarch

They claim it's because poor people can't afford picture ID's.

364 ploome hineni  10/11/08 11:01:14 am reply quote

re: #355 FrogMarch

One question:
Why are democrats notoriously against the idea of having to show an ID to vote?

you know

she is now actually funny

365 Killgore Trout  10/11/08 11:01:15 am reply quote

re: #359 Walter L. Newton

That provision was taken out.

366 Oldasdirt  10/11/08 11:01:34 am reply quote

re: #355 FrogMarch

One question:
Why are democrats notoriously against the idea of having to show an ID to vote?


Dead and imaginary people dont have ID's

367 sattv4u2  10/11/08 11:01:35 am reply quote

re: #348 arethusa

How do you record on a cell phone? I have a Samsung. (I have no idea what model, but it has a camera, flip, web surfing, etc., none of which I use.)

my 14 year old does it on his all the time (he has an LG) I have NO idea how he does it, and he's not here now, sorry

(I have the same phone, and I'm lucky if I can change the ring tone on it that comes with it ! )

368 itellu3times  10/11/08 11:01:41 am reply quote

How about we just outlaw absentee ballots?

Maybe keep the polls open for two days instead.

369 JustMyView  10/11/08 11:01:43 am reply quote

re: #278 Sharmuta

You are a real piece of work claiming ACORN is a victim of the fraud they are trying to perpetrate. Of course they're not votes.......yet. They can't get fraudulent votes without fraudulent registrations first. But you go ahead and keep bemoaning that they're the victims here and not the American people they're trying to undermine with their scheming.

Perhaps I shouldn't have used the word "victim". I don't feel sorry for them. My point was that it is ACORN that is being defrauded. They paid for a product that they didn't get.

370 Walter L. Newton  10/11/08 11:01:54 am reply quote

re: #343 yma o hyd

Give your parrot a biscuit (or whatever he likes best!) especially from me - cleverness must be rewarded!

I gave her a beer, that's what she likes, oops, hold on, she keeps dropping off her perch now... be right back.

371 OldLineTexan  10/11/08 11:01:55 am reply quote

re: #347 JustMyView

I would like to see voter registration closed three months or more before balloting in any form begins. Then the registrations could be examined and vetted by a "bi-partisan" or "non-partisan" board.

/of course, I realize that neither item in scare quotes exists in actuality, unless it is both Parties agreeing to stick their hands in my wallet

372 FrogMarch  10/11/08 11:02:08 am reply quote

re: #363 Killgore Trout

They claim it's because poor people can't afford picture ID's.

I claim it's because the Dems know if cheating and fraud are allowed, they win.

373 itellu3times  10/11/08 11:02:24 am reply quote

re: #363 Killgore Trout

They claim it's because poor people can't afford picture ID's.

Cameras don't work on people with no mney.

374 arethusa  10/11/08 11:02:43 am reply quote

re: #363 Killgore Trout

They claim it's because poor people can't afford picture ID's.

also, I've heard the claim that they won't "know" about the rule.

Most states have non-driver's license photo IDs available. If someone is economically disadvantaged, give them a discount. Just pass the d--- voter ID law.

375 itellu3times  10/11/08 11:02:48 am reply quote

re: #373 itellu3times

money

376 SpartanWoman  10/11/08 11:02:58 am reply quote

re: #361 arethusa

What's a Global Poverty Act? We should all be poor?

*goes off to Google*

See it is being kept very quiet.

377 Racer X  10/11/08 11:02:59 am reply quote

re: #333 ploome hineni

McCain is in a fucking coma

his biggest concern is that we respect Obama

/spit

It is quite possible McCain is asking his supporters to maintain a bit of respect for Obama because he knows how much shit will hit the fan after he is elected.

378 Nevergiveup  10/11/08 11:03:33 am reply quote

re: #363 Killgore Trout

They claim it's because poor people can't afford picture ID's.

Horse shit

379 Walter L. Newton  10/11/08 11:03:33 am reply quote

re: #365 Killgore Trout

That provision was taken out.

Well, either the talk show host didn't know this, or it got back in somehow, under some other section, I don't know, but I know the talk host was mentioning it like it was current.

380 ploome hineni  10/11/08 11:03:36 am reply quote

re: #377 Racer X

It is quite possible McCain is asking his supporters to maintain a bit of respect for Obama because he knows how much shit will hit the fan after he is elected.

it is also possible that McCain is an idiot

381 MandyManners  10/11/08 11:03:39 am reply quote

re: #368 itellu3times

How about we just outlaw absentee ballots?

Maybe keep the polls open for two days instead.

Kiss the military votes goodbye.

382 MandyManners  10/11/08 11:03:47 am reply quote

bbl

383 OldLineTexan  10/11/08 11:04:03 am reply quote

re: #367 sattv4u2

my 14 year old does it on his all the time (he has an LG) I have NO idea how he does it, and he's not here now, sorry

(I have the same phone, and I'm lucky if I can change the ring tone on it that comes with it ! )

My daughters are innately able to "fix" any cell phone issue I have. They don't even RTFM.

384 SpartanWoman  10/11/08 11:04:07 am reply quote

re: #380 ploome hineni

it is also possible that McCain is an idiot

The smart money is on that alternative

385 FrogMarch  10/11/08 11:04:09 am reply quote

re: #371 OldLineTexan

I would like to see voter registration closed three months or more before balloting in any form begins. Then the registrations could be examined and vetted by a "bi-partisan" or "non-partisan" board.

/of course, I realize that neither item in scare quotes exists in actuality, unless it is both Parties agreeing to stick their hands in my wallet

This is America. We can't have any common sense going on.

386 debutaunt  10/11/08 11:04:11 am reply quote

re: #247 cblesz

I wonder how many of those "Democrats" are the recently registered homeless and dead? People need to know about this because the mindset of the voter is that they want to be on the winning side and if the polls say JACKASS is going to win, they will vote for him...arghhhhhh!

Someone will vote multiple times using the fake registrations.

387 looking closely  10/11/08 11:04:12 am reply quote

re: #355 FrogMarch

One question:
Why are democrats notoriously against the idea of having to show an ID to vote?

RACIST!

388 ploome hineni  10/11/08 11:04:39 am reply quote

re: #381 MandyManners

Kiss the military votes goodbye.

not if the military ballots are collected and counted where they are serving

389 OldLineTexan  10/11/08 11:04:42 am reply quote

re: #370 Walter L. Newton

I gave her a beer, that's what she likes, oops, hold on, she keeps dropping off her perch now... be right back.

I think I saw this on Monty Python once...is she a Norwegian Blue?

390 sattv4u2  10/11/08 11:04:42 am reply quote

re: #360 BBEV

I have a sister that was signing up prison inmates for the 2000 elections. I still talk to her.

were they FEMALE Prisoners? Do they like to play Benevolent Prison Guard?

391 Racer X  10/11/08 11:04:47 am reply quote

re: #347 JustMyView

They turn them in to ACORN and get paid. ACORN turns them in to the state where some of them are disqualified. This process involves costs to the state and to ACORN (since they didn't get what they paid for), but has little if any effect on elections.

What about the ones that don't get disqualified? And how many are used to vote absentee?

392 realwest  10/11/08 11:04:52 am reply quote

re: #251 JustMyView
Sorry I missed your response:

Every election year, there's a great outcry about fraudulent applications, but there's not an equivalent set of stories about actual fraudulent voting. And the stories would exist if the voting occurred, because the party affected would have reason to publicize them.


So why are Democrats against voter photo ID's? Do you seriously believe that Daley doesn't vote the graveyards in Chicago? And Republicans challenging those votes will get justice oh, about the time that the next election rolls around.
Believe it or not, Richard "I am not a Crook" Nixon was screwed out of POTUS in 1960 because he lost Chicago and hence Illinois and hence the electoral college and NIXON said he wouldn't challenge the results because it would harm American Democracy.
Yeah, that's true, read any book every written about Nixon - including by those who hated him the most and they all tell the same story.
Some folks believe that the end justifies the means (for example Democrats in Texas; Hillary won a majority of the popular vote, Obama won a majority of the delegate -and no, I'm not talking Superdelegates, I'm talking delegates awarded due to the voting in Texas).
And frankly the penalties imposed for voter fraud, which IS WHAT we're talking about here, are nothing for an organization with millions of dollars of taxpayer money. Especially not if they appear before a Democrat Judge.

393 Nevergiveup  10/11/08 11:05:12 am reply quote

re: #388 ploome hineni

not if the military ballots are collected and counted where they are serving

iraq?

394 doppelganglander  10/11/08 11:05:13 am reply quote

re: #345 OldLineTexan

My LOCAL precinct is very above board...the same elderly Dems and Repubs, all well-known folks.

However, I am in the northwest 'burbs of the county. If you wander into the metro precincts, things are...different.

Quannell X (sp?) has never shown up at my precinct (a local church hall), but he is a regular, along with his crew, at several urban spots.

It's hard work making sure the brothers don't roam off the reservation. You can't have anyone thinking for himself, can you know?

395 OldLineTexan  10/11/08 11:05:19 am reply quote

re: #378 Nevergiveup

Horse shit

Y'all had horse shit? Lucky!

/

396 Sharmuta  10/11/08 11:05:24 am reply quote

re: #369 JustMyView

Perhaps I shouldn't have used the word "victim". I don't feel sorry for them. My point was that it is ACORN that is being defrauded. They paid for a product that they didn't get.

LMAO! You assume that. I think they got exactly what they paid for, but they weren't expecting blowback.

397 itellu3times  10/11/08 11:05:45 am reply quote

re: #381 MandyManners

How about we just outlaw absentee ballots?

Maybe keep the polls open for two days instead.

Kiss the military votes goodbye.

Yeah, I meant to say, except for them, but even they should be required to vote in person, and not by anonymous pieces of paper.

(anyway, they are already pretty much disenfranchised now, especially in the war zones, from what we keep reading, just saying how much needs to be fixed)

398 sattv4u2  10/11/08 11:05:48 am reply quote

re: #363 Killgore Trout

They claim it's because poor people can't afford picture ID's.

they offered FREE Picture ID's here in GA and the libs STILL complained!

399 JustMyView  10/11/08 11:05:50 am reply quote

re: #281 jaunte

Public tax money was given to a corrupt organization to register dead and imaginary people to vote. That's an offense to the public.

But is that correct? My impression was that ACORN contracts with campaigns to conduct voter registration drives.

400 ploome hineni  10/11/08 11:05:54 am reply quote

re: #384 SpartanWoman

The smart money is on that alternative

oh please

smart money?

like those fat cats on Wall Street?

401 arethusa  10/11/08 11:06:20 am reply quote

re: #376 SpartanWoman

See it is being kept very quiet.

How odd...the Global Poverty Act was first introduced in the House by Rep. Adam Smith, same name as the 18th century economist who wrote "The Wealth of Nations." Who I think might not like the Global Poverty Act...

402 Racer X  10/11/08 11:06:25 am reply quote

re: #380 ploome hineni

it is also possible that McCain is an idiot

Yes, but he is OUR idiot.

Nothing new with that concept.

403 debutaunt  10/11/08 11:06:36 am reply quote

re: #251 JustMyView

But applications for registration are not votes. For fraudulent applications to affect an election, they have to be translated into votes. The applications you point to won't be translated into votes. The "victims" in this case are ACORN, since they paid for a flawed product, and the state of Ohio, since it has to spend time screening out faulty applications. Every election year, there's a great outcry about fraudulent applications, but there's not an equivalent set of stories about actual fraudulent voting. And the stories would exist if the voting occurred, because the party affected would have reason to publicize them.

You are wrong about this.

404 Sharmuta  10/11/08 11:06:37 am reply quote

re: #377 Racer X

Hon- integrity is worthy of mockery and scorn in politics.

And we wonder why this country is in the state it's in.

405 ploome hineni  10/11/08 11:06:55 am reply quote

re: #384 SpartanWoman

The smart money is on that alternative

no one is happy with McCain......the issue here is that the Dems and Obama are worse

/smart money feh

406 itellu3times  10/11/08 11:07:05 am reply quote

re: #398 sattv4u2

they offered FREE Picture ID's here in GA and the libs STILL complained!

With Brad Pitt's picture?

407 Oldasdirt  10/11/08 11:07:13 am reply quote

BBL Cheers

408 jaunte  10/11/08 11:07:37 am reply quote

re: #399 JustMyView

"Take, for example, the most recent tax information from one of ACORN's subsidiary nonprofits: the ACORN Housing Corporation, Inc., based out of the organization's national headquarters in New Orleans. For the tax year beginning July 1, 2002, and ending June 30, 2003, ACORN Housing Corp.'s 990 Form shows a total of $1,710,203 received in government grants (the year before, the total was $1,977,306). "
[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

409 ploome hineni  10/11/08 11:07:38 am reply quote

re: #393 Nevergiveup

iraq?

they forget how to count in Iraq?

410 doppelganglander  10/11/08 11:07:56 am reply quote

re: #374 arethusa

also, I've heard the claim that they won't "know" about the rule.

Most states have non-driver's license photo IDs available. If someone is economically disadvantaged, give them a discount. Just pass the d--- voter ID law.

Georgia did it and it works just fine. For the elderly who no longer drive, they can still vote absentee without ID. Non-driver IDs are available for free. No excuses. Of course, that hasn't stopped some bunch of agitators from trying to prevent our secretary of state from matching registrations against citizenship records. Apparently illegal aliens and legal non-citizens think they should get to vote, too.

411 JustMyView  10/11/08 11:08:10 am reply quote

re: #283 looking closely


Given that this is a CRIME (for which people have been convicted), and that its been going on for years, it wouldn't happen if it didn't work.

My guess is that the people hired to collect new voter registration applications have, as do most people who commit low-level crimes, a very tenuous sense of the relationship between their behavior and potential punishments. Have actual signature collectors, in fact, been prosecuted?

412 sattv4u2  10/11/08 11:08:12 am reply quote

re: #406 itellu3times

With Brad Pitt's picture?

no,,, either OJ Simpsons or for the females, Cynthia McKinney !

(I'll save you the trouble ,, RACIST!)

413 realwest  10/11/08 11:08:39 am reply quote

re: #381 MandyManners
Isn't that what Gore and the Democrats did in Florida in 2000 - they went to court to get a judge to disallow military ballots (polls showed the Military over 80% for Bush) because they didn't have the date on the postmark? (ignoring the fact that military postmasters didn't - and maybe still don't - put on postmarks the rest of us see. Hell in Vietnam I just wrote FREE where the stamp would've otherwise gone).

414 Typicalwhitey  10/11/08 11:09:02 am reply quote

re: #399 JustMyView

But is that correct? My impression was that ACORN contracts with campaigns to conduct voter registration drives.

Well Obama paid them over 800,000 dollars!
Of course, he didn't KNOW they cheat.....NOT

415 Nevergiveup  10/11/08 11:09:21 am reply quote

re: #409 ploome hineni

they forget how to count in Iraq?

Were do the votes go to? What state?

416 arethusa  10/11/08 11:09:49 am reply quote

re: #392 realwest


Some folks believe that the end justifies the means (for example Democrats in Texas; Hillary won a majority of the popular vote, Obama won a majority of the delegate -and no, I'm not talking Superdelegates, I'm talking delegates awarded due to the voting in Texas).


That's because TX has both a popular primary, which HRC won, and a caucus primary, which Obama won. And after all that, there was still a state convention to determine delegates. It is a screwed-up primary system that promotes legalized theft of votes, and along with fraudulent registrations must be fixed.

(There were lots of reports from Clinton supporters that Obama supporters abused the caucus system, too.)

417 ploome hineni  10/11/08 11:09:53 am reply quote

re: #411 JustMyView

My guess is that the people hired to collect new voter registration applications have, as do most people who commit low-level crimes, a very tenuous sense of the relationship between their behavior and potential punishments. Have actual signature collectors, in fact, been prosecuted?

voter fraud is not low level

it undermines our whole democratic system

418 JustMyView  10/11/08 11:09:58 am reply quote

re: #284 Celtic Templar

Can't they just absentee ballot these votes? NJ has NO REQUIREMENT for absentee ballots other than registration.

Right, but, again, what we are reading about is fraudulent applications, not fraudulent votes. If there are appropriate screens in place to detect fraudulent applications, the likelihood of a significant effect of fraud on election outcomes is very low.

419 OldLineTexan  10/11/08 11:10:03 am reply quote

re: #414 Typicalwhitey

Well Obama paid them over 800,000 dollars!
Of course, he didn't KNOW they cheat.....NOT

Oh no, of course not. Why. Senator Obama had never even heard of them before. Those lawsuits with his name on them are figments of your imagination.

420 Racer X  10/11/08 11:10:06 am reply quote

re: #404 Sharmuta

Hon- integrity is worthy of mockery and scorn in politics.

And we wonder why this country is in the state it's in.

Yep. I said it yesterday when I was so pissed off. Obama has something McCain does not - dedicated supporters. If he wins it will be because of that and that alone. Too many on the right are content to "hold their nose and vote". That won't get it done.

421 debutaunt  10/11/08 11:10:10 am reply quote

re: #262 OldLineTexan

I love the "ACORN is the real victim" mantra.

ACORN is doing exactly what they've ALWAYS done. Assuming they are NOT insane, they must like the results.

JMV is trying to say there is no point or foul to this corruption.

422 SpartanWoman  10/11/08 11:10:32 am reply quote

re: #414 Typicalwhitey

Well Obama paid them over 800,000 dollars!
Of course, he didn't KNOW they cheat.....NOT

Yet the MSM is quiet and many people think a president who is crafty and cheats well is a better deal than one with integrity.

423 jcm  10/11/08 11:10:46 am reply quote

re: #318 JustMyView

Do you have a link that provide documentation for all these facts and the connections among them. Am not saying you're wrong, but these are strong claims about a complex set of relationships. For instance, if people were jailed for submitting fraudulent applications, that suggests that there was a process in place to protect the vote. That argues against a flawed election outcome rather than in favor of it.

Stefan Sharkansky at Sound Politics did most of the work on exposing the issues.

You can search the 4 years of archives yourself. Stefan rooted out the all kinds of irregularities in '04. Including the malfeasance of of the eight prosecutors fired by Bush.

424 jaunte  10/11/08 11:11:09 am reply quote

James Terry, Chief Public Advocate, Consumers Rights League:

"ACORN says they don't take federal money, but AHC takes millions and
from 2004 to 2006 on funneled 4.6 million to ACORN. They have been able to
get away with it due to a convoluted, Enron kind of accounting but this
must stop. Congress must cut off funds, investigate and prosecute those who
are found to be willfully using taxpayer funds to support fraudulent
political operations and put in place transparency, reporting requirements
and firewall requirements to prevent future abuses.

CRL's report on ACORN
[Link: www.consumersrightsleague.org...]

425 Sharmuta  10/11/08 11:11:10 am reply quote

re: #420 Racer X

I saw that- and I had a few choice words on that thread myself. Thanks for being a voice of sanity.

426 realwest  10/11/08 11:11:19 am reply quote

re: #363 Killgore Trout
LOL! I got my "pedestrian Photo ID" (not a driver's license, hence my use of the term pedestrian) for free.
Well, I did have to go to the DMV with my social security card and birth certificate or passport so I suppose that cost me an hour or so of time, but no money at all.

427 jcm  10/11/08 11:11:26 am reply quote

re: #423 jcm

Stefan Sharkansky at Sound Politics did most of the work on exposing the issues.

You can search the 4 years of archives yourself. Stefan rooted out the all kinds of irregularities in '04. Including the malfeasance of of the eight prosecutors fired by Bush.

PIMF -- one of eight...

428 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  10/11/08 11:12:08 am reply quote

re: #414 Typicalwhitey

Well Obama paid them over 800,000 dollars!
Of course, he didn't KNOW they cheat.....NOT

Standard Obama Excuse: "I was a naive idiot".

Comforting, isn't it?

429 Sharmuta  10/11/08 11:12:10 am reply quote

re: #418