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Open | Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 11:14:44 am PDT

When things get weird, reload.

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1 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:16:15am

VOLUNTEER!

2 Macker  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:16:41am

Lock & Load!

3 jorline  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:17:23am

CORN has major problems when CNN is trying to expose their fraud.

Brian Moller says ACORN has its own quality control, has fired workers in the past, including workers in Gary. Despite its past, the Obama campaign gave $800,000 to ACORN to help fund its primary registration drive, and ACORN has endorsed Barack Obama for president. The Obama campaign reacted this afternoon, saying, it is "committed to protecting the integrity of the voting process and said it has not worked with ACORN during the general election."

They're throwing out 5000 new applications.

Leaders of ACORN in the effected areas should be charged with voter fraud and sent to prison! The leaders are the proverbial fox guarding the hen house.

4 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:18:03am

When things get weird, vote McCain anyways.

-Sharmuta

5 El Lizardo mejicano  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:18:17am

Just follow the money

6 jorline  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:19:19am

re: #3 jorline

Cut off the A...CORN=ACORN...PIMF

7 arethusa  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:20:14am

/Pigs eat acorns, don't they?

(Go Sarah!)

8 jorline  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:20:25am

re: #4 Sharmuta

When things get weird, vote McCain anyways.

-Sharmuta

When the going gets weird...the weird get going!

jorline

9 Nevergiveup  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:20:49am

re: #6 jorline

Cut off the A...CORN=ACORN...PIMF

ACORN--take out the O and jumble it all around=NARC?

10 ErislDysnomia  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:21:09am

Let me get a harsh truth on record, posted at the end of a prior (and very long) thread:

Our knowledge of Acorn's interference in our electoral process is only partially known at this point, but even so it looks very bad. Election results in many battlegrounds will be close, and with Acorn's interference, very possibly invalid.

Our country is not a Banana Republic, though, and this cannot be tolerated. Fixing it, though, will take time, to uncover and cleanse the system of the fraud and all the fraudulent "voters."

Therefore the elections should be postponed, say, a month or two to allow time for a more complete investigation and de-lousing of the pool of "registered voters."

In addition, a Class Action Lawsuit by We, the People of the United States against Acorn and its supporters and affiliates should be initiated to bankrupt the fuckers.

-Eris

11 littleoldlady  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:21:25am

PIE!

/

I didn't see Obambi's pie riff, but my daughter and husband said that he's losing it...

;-)

12 Buffalo fats  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:21:31am

Stack the ammo high and deep.

13 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:22:38am

re: #10 ErislDysnomia

I understand where you're coming from and sympathize, but ain't no way this election is going to be postponed.

14 Nevergiveup  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:23:05am

re: #12 Buffalo fats

Stack the ammo high and deep.

praise the lord and pass the ammunition

OK

15 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:23:14am

Great spinoff, Lizards- give it a read.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

16 littleoldlady  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:23:19am

re: #10 ErislDysnomia

I like the class action lawsuit idea.

17 CareyOnly  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:23:35am

IT'S TRUE!
It was weird to me to see a thread here with only two comments. Sure enough, I reloaded and there were 12!

18 ErislDysnomia  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:23:54am

re: #13 Irene NYC

I understand where you're coming from and sympathize, but ain't no way this election is going to be postponed.

That may or may not be true, but we can start a very large stink that might call better attention to this among those who are sleeping.

Let's start a Web petition to be disseminated amongst all the conservative bloggers.

19 Nevergiveup  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:24:32am

re: #14 Nevergiveup

praise the lord and pass the ammunition

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

OK

Scratch that- I didn't really watch it

20 grybstein  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:24:39am

Can someone out there please tell me what happened to the "lefty dude being kidnapped by the terrorist, shunning the little green football" on the LGF logo on top?


I don't read the comments section much, so maybe I missed something.

21 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:24:39am

Which reminds me. I gotta get a gun before the government take it away.

22 Mike McDaniel  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:25:38am

I'm not sure if it got posted elsewhere, but there is a lot of VERY interesting information on the Obama/Rezko relationship at [Link: strata-sphere.com...]

Short form: The records on Obama's real estate deals show that someone else was paying the taxes...and may have owned the property.

I just hope we can get this out in time.

23 Racer X  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:25:41am

re: #11 littleoldlady

I didn't see Obambi's pie riff, but my daughter and husband said that he's losing it...


I saw it on Fox. He is losing it. It looked to me like he had a teleprompter glitch, and then rambled on for the next few minutes about pie.

24 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:26:03am

re: #20 grybstein

Can someone out there please tell me what happened to the "lefty dude being kidnapped by the terrorist, shunning the little green football" on the LGF logo on top?


I don't read the comments section much, so maybe I missed something.

What?

25 littleoldlady  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:26:51am

re: #23 Racer X

It looked to me like he had a teleprompter glitch


Without even seeing it, that was my guess too!

26 Buffalo fats  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:27:01am

re: #21 FrogMarch

Which reminds me. I gotta get a gun before the government take it away.

Just one?!

I can list about a half dozen "must haves".

27 lazardo  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:27:28am

I CAN'T GO BACK TO SLEEP.

/anything to help?

28 Racer X  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:27:37am

re: #24 Walter L. Newton

What?

The top of the page is just a bouncing green football. It used to have a hippy jumping into the arms of a terrorist.

29 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:27:52am

re: #11 littleoldlady

PIE!
/;-)

Well, I heard it, and I couldn't believe it what Obama was saying. It was a typical 1930-40's "step and fetch" routine. I'm surprised that he didn't call his mother "mammy."

30 Nevergiveup  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:28:09am

re: #27 lazardo

I CAN'T GO BACK TO SLEEP.

/anything to help?

Got any old Al Gore speeches?

31 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:29:02am
When things get weird, reload.

And, always keep your powder dry.

32 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:29:22am

re: #28 Racer X

The top of the page is just a bouncing green football. It used to have a hippy jumping into the arms of a terrorist.

You're right. Are we all really on LGF? Cue the Twilight Zone music.

33 MrSnuggles  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:29:37am

This pie thing sounds titillating.

34 Racer X  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:29:42am

re: #29 Walter L. Newton

Well, I heard it, and I couldn't believe it what Obama was saying. It was a typical 1930-40's "step and fetch" routine. I'm surprised that he didn't call his mother "mammy."

His "southern" accent was so pronounced in that speech it was just silly. In PA? What a fool.

35 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:29:45am

re: #27 lazardo

I CAN'T GO BACK TO SLEEP.

/anything to help?

Warm milk with a shot of Scotch?

36 El Lizardo mejicano  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:29:48am

re: #3 jorline

It is clear that people that are working for ACORN are getting paid big money, just follow the money trail..and previous associations.

In the mean time, there is a new movie(mocumentary from Mexico) coming up in the next few days, called "Fraude Mexico 2006" it's about elections in 2006 and how the leftist (Manuel Lopez Obrador) got the election stolen by Conservative (Felipe Calderon)
[Link: www.latimes.com...]

Lopez Obrador went on record saying that he was the "Messiah" sounds familiar [Link: www.cbn.com...]

It's no surprise to me the debut of the movie is just days away, just like the next "W" with Brolin.

We are being attacked from all fronts my amigos, we have to continue to expose them..

37 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:30:01am

re: #33 MrSnuggles

This pie thing sounds titillating.

Not a boob thread!

38 jorline  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:30:11am

re: #15 Sharmuta

Great spinoff, Lizards- give it a read.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Thanks for the link Sharm...excellent.

Polls always release results from a respondent pool, but they do not tell you - although the NCPP says they always should - what proportion of people agreed to answer the poll. If a lot of folks refuse to take part in the poll, that's an important piece of information. If Gallup is getting pushback from people they are trying to contact, they may be interpreting that in a way that may skew their political weighting.

Now one thing I do not buy, is the idea that Obama has 51% support. Not that he could not get that much in the vote, but if that is true it would mean that his support has risen six points in three weeks. What would cause that to happen? It's not going to come from the democrats, he already had their support. It's not that republicans would swing over and support Obama, the numbers tell us that and in any case, the parties are very partisan this year. And the independents have not changed in Obama's favor, in fact he's a point weaker with them than he was September 14. So what's driving the bigger numbers? The only explanation is that more democrats in the poll are being counted, which means that Obama's growth is artificial. In real terms, it means that republicans have become more passive, and the balance reflects a loss of McCain support on both tracks, his own support and Obama's.

39 lazardo  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:30:13am

re: #35 MandyManners

Heh. I'm dreaming about that before I sleep.

40 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:30:15am

re: #35 MandyManners

Warm milk with a shotS of Scotch?

fixed

41 Nevergiveup  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:30:24am

re: #35 MandyManners

Warm milk with a shot of Scotch?

I do that alot- err- without the milk.

42 spudly  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:30:50am

They need to hammer this. Say things like "after the 2000 election, you'd think that we would have done something to clean up the process. Not just making sure every legal vote is counted, but also making sure that NO ILLEGAL VOTES ARE COUNTED." How anyone could get away with being in favor of voter fraud boggles the mind. Voter fraud enabling (no IDs) is part of the Democrat platform, right? Or is it so fundamental a principle to them it doesn't need enumeration in the platform?

43 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:32:39am

re: #34 Racer X

His "southern" accent was so pronounced in that speech it was just silly. In PA? What a fool.

Can you imagine if it was Palin. "Hey folks, you got any brats out there. Doggonit, I love brats. What's your favorite kind of brats. Brats stuffed with cheese? My mom use to make them with grits. Golly, I love them that way. Shucks"

44 Nevergiveup  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:33:16am

Voter Fraud prevented in Pakistan:

Three killed in U.S. missile attack in Pakistan

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

Well it might work here?

45 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:33:51am

re: #24 Walter L. Newton

There has a cartoon jihadi cradling a hippie by the football logo on the header. I don't know when that disappeared.

46 Celtic Templar  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:33:58am

O.k., bringing over to new thread.

Palin's SATs and High School records are fair game. How about this:

Obama's list of obfuscation

1. Occidental College records -- Not released
2. Columbia College records -- Not released
3. Columbia Thesis paper -- 'not available'
4. Harvard College records -- Not released
5. Selective Service Registration -- Not released
6. Medical records -- Not released
7. Illinois State Senate schedule -- 'not available'
8. Law practice client list -- Not released
9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate -- Not released
10. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth -- Not released
11. Harvard Law Review articles published -- None
12. University of Chicago scholarly articles -- None
13.Your Record of baptism -- Not released or 'not available'
14. Your Illinois State Senate records -- 'not available'

I get one of these, we're even.

47 littleoldlady  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:34:08am

re: #43 Walter L. Newton

Can you imagine if it was Palin. "Hey folks, you got any brats out there. Doggonit, I love brats. What's your favorite kind of brats. Brats stuffed with cheese? My mom use to make them with grits. Golly, I love them that way. Shucks"

In Philadelphia?! She was here a couple of weeks ago and actually ordered cheesesteaks the right way.

/not the Kerry way...

48 Mars Needs Neocons  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:34:14am

re: #18 ErislDysnomia

That may or may not be true, but we can start a very large stink that might call better attention to this among those who are sleeping.

Let's start a Web petition to be disseminated amongst all the conservative bloggers.

I agree. I think if we were able to get a few hundred thousand signatures then maybe there would be some attention garnered.

Why don't you check out patriotpetitions.com . Maybe they can work with this.

49 arethusa  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:34:15am

re: #33 MrSnuggles

This pie thing sounds titillating.

Here's a story about the pie story. Can't find a video clip. Anyone?

50 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:34:35am

re: #45 Killgore Trout

There has a cartoon jihadi cradling a hippie by the football logo on the header. I don't know when that disappeared.

You're right. Are we all really on LGF? Cue the Twilight Zone music.

51 SpartanWoman  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:34:45am

re: #45 Killgore Trout

There has a cartoon jihadi cradling a hippie by the football logo on the header. I don't know when that disappeared.

The hippie had a moonbat headress on and I think it was by Cox and Forkum

52 Celtic Templar  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:35:05am

re: #47 littleoldlady

She's in Philly today, dropping the puck for the Flyers' home opener.

53 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:35:48am

re: #39 lazardo

Heh. I'm dreaming about that before I sleep.

I build my dream mansion in my mind when I lie down. My favorite area is the secret section complete with a sleeping chamber where no one can find me.

54 littleoldlady  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:36:48am

re: #49 arethusa

Pie We Can Believe In. ROTFL!

/whatever happened to "a chicken in every pot"?

55 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:37:30am

re: #49 arethusa

Here's a story about the pie story. Can't find a video clip. Anyone?

No mention of arugula pie. The vegetarians will be mad

56 Outrider  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:37:59am

re: #45 Killgore Trout

There has a cartoon jihadi cradling a hippie by the football logo on the header. I don't know when that disappeared.

It's been gone a few weeks now.

57 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:38:04am

re: #47 littleoldlady

In Philadelphia?! She was here a couple of weeks ago and actually ordered cheesesteaks the right way.

/not the Kerry way...

Obama was talking about sweet potato pie in Philly this morning, doing a real "step and fetch" sort of routine. It was racist, my post was parody of what if Palin was speaking to a bunch of rednecks and talking about brats. The media would be all over her. But I bet we never hear about Obama's remarks.

I wasn't suggesting that she talk brats in Philly. The closest thing to brats in Philly is kalbasi (sp?).

I know, I spent a lot of time in Philly.

58 jorline  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:38:14am

re: #36 El Lizardo mejicano

It is clear that people that are working for ACORN are getting paid big money, just follow the money trail..and previous associations.

In the mean time, there is a new movie(mocumentary from Mexico) coming up in the next few days, called "Fraude Mexico 2006" it's about elections in 2006 and how the leftist (Manuel Lopez Obrador) got the election stolen by Conservative (Felipe Calderon)
[Link: www.latimes.com...]

Lopez Obrador went on record saying that he was the "Messiah" sounds familiar [Link: www.cbn.com...]

It's no surprise to me the debut of the movie is just days away, just like the next "W" with Brolin.

We are being attacked from all fronts my amigos, we have to continue to expose them..

Welcome, ELm. I agree with your analogy. Five years ago I lived on the Texas/Mexico border. Thirteen years of watching the politics in Mexico and how it affected us has me convinced about the parallels.

60 doppelganglander  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:38:28am

re: #49 arethusa

Here's a story about the pie story. Can't find a video clip. Anyone?

That's just bizarre. I guess he's trying to prove he's as American as sweet potato pie, lemon meringue pie, and/or coconut cream pie.

61 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:38:32am

re: #52 Celtic Templar

She's in Philly today, dropping the puck for the Flyers' home opener.

Hell to the yeah! Here's hoping she elbows Jaromir Jagr too.

62 littleoldlady  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:38:39am

re: #52 Celtic Templar

I.did.not.know.that.

How come she wasn't at the Phillies game yesterday?

63 ErislDysnomia  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:38:41am

re: #48 Mars Needs Neocons

Why don't you check out patriotpetitions.com . Maybe they can work with this.

Could someone simply create the petition? I don't know much about computers.

64 Celtic Templar  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:39:00am

re: #57 Walter L. Newton

Obama was talking about sweet potato pie in Philly this morning, doing a real "step and fetch" sort of routine. It was racist, my post was parody of what if Palin was speaking to a bunch of rednecks and talking about brats. The media would be all over her. But I bet we never hear about Obama's remarks.

I wasn't suggesting that she talk brats in Philly. The closest thing to brats in Philly is kalbasi (sp?).

I know, I spent a lot of time in Philly.

Italian sausage or kielbasa ;)

65 Celtic Templar  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:39:36am

re: #62 littleoldlady

I.did.not.know.that.

How come she wasn't at the Phillies game yesterday?

Don't know. Flyers invited her to drop the puck.

66 MrSnuggles  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:39:58am

re: #55 sattv4u2

Can you imagine the price tag? Arugala is expensive, you know?

67 arethusa  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:40:22am

re: #60 doppelganglander

Clearly the man likes his pie. And has promised a slice of pie to everyone in America, except the top 5% income earners.

68 littleoldlady  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:40:23am

re: #65 Celtic Templar

Don't know. Flyers invited her to drop the puck.

I take it we haven't heard from J Street yet...

69 tradewind  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:40:36am

So, Big Tony is talkin'..........
Obama can't really throw him under the bus, he's already under the jail.........
Let's see how he lies his way out of this one......

70 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:40:44am

re: #64 Celtic Templar

Italian sausage or kielbasa ;)

The folks I hung with, it was only kielbasa.

71 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:40:51am

re: #54 littleoldlady

Pie We Can Believe In. ROTFL!

/whatever happened to "a chicken in every pot"?

Hippies want pot in every chicken.
/

72 gregg  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:41:19am

I think this was mentioned on a previous thread, but here's Huckabee talking about Economic Terrorism.

73 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:41:43am

re: #65 Celtic Templar

Don't know. Flyers invited her to drop the puck.

Free "Puck-er Peach" lipstick will be given out to the hockey moms in attendance.

74 yma o hyd  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:41:47am

re: #22 Mike McDaniel

I'm not sure if it got posted elsewhere, but there is a lot of VERY interesting information on the Obama/Rezko relationship at [Link: strata-sphere.com...]

Short form: The records on Obama's real estate deals show that someone else was paying the taxes...and may have owned the property.

I just hope we can get this out in time.

If this has legs then it needs to go out to the RNC, the McCain campaign, Rush, you name it ...

Look - some of you are fighting and working your socks off for McCain already - but some aren't. You might at least use your PC and send e-mails with stuff like this to various people, even local papers, radio stations, TV stations.
The more people send stuff, the less it can be overlooked.

You know it mkes sense!

75 Celtic Templar  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:41:51am

re: #68 littleoldlady

I take it we haven't heard from J Street yet...

J Street? John Street - it's Nutter now, he was a Clintonista before he went Obamaton.

76 itellu3times  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:42:22am

Uh-oh, the login box is at the bottom again.

77 joncelli  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:42:24am

re: #10 ErislDysnomia

Therefore the elections should be postponed,

No. That's what they do in banana republics. The election day is set by law. And can you imagine the whining?

78 arethusa  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:42:30am

re: #63 ErislDysnomia

Could someone simply create the petition? I don't know much about computers.

Many websites allow you to create your own petition.

79 tradewind  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:42:33am

Sorry, link below belonged with post 69 above......
[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

80 USA  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:42:43am

Obama's Mathemagics

To kick off our show tonight, Mr. Obama will give 95% of American working families a tax cut, even though 40% of Americans today don't pay income taxes! How can our star enact such mathemagic? How can he "cut" zero? Abracadabra! It's called a "refundable tax credit." It involves the federal government taking money from those who do pay taxes, and writing checks to those who don't. Yes, yes, in the real world this is known as "welfare," but please try not to ruin the show.
81 lazardo  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:42:56am

re: #49 arethusa

"Can't you just let me eat my pie?"

82 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:43:16am

re: #76 itellu3times

Uh-oh, the login box is at the bottom again.

not mine. my "show e-mail" one is (as always) though

83 arethusa  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:43:52am

re: #71 Kosh's Shadow

Hippies want pot in every chicken.
/

/I prefer "Pelosi's chicken neck in every pot."

84 Celtic Templar  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:44:35am

re: #83 arethusa

/I prefer "Pelosi's chicken neck in every pot."

How 'bout no chicken necks, just give me the pot ;)

85 yma o hyd  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:45:05am

re: #38 jorline

Thanks for the link Sharm...excellent.

Polls always release results from a respondent pool, but they do not tell you - although the NCPP says they always should - what proportion of people agreed to answer the poll. If a lot of folks refuse to take part in the poll, that's an important piece of information. If Gallup is getting pushback from people they are trying to contact, they may be interpreting that in a way that may skew their political weighting.

Now one thing I do not buy, is the idea that Obama has 51% support. Not that he could not get that much in the vote, but if that is true it would mean that his support has risen six points in three weeks. What would cause that to happen? It's not going to come from the democrats, he already had their support. It's not that republicans would swing over and support Obama, the numbers tell us that and in any case, the parties are very partisan this year. And the independents have not changed in Obama's favor, in fact he's a point weaker with them than he was September 14. So what's driving the bigger numbers? The only explanation is that more democrats in the poll are being counted, which means that Obama's growth is artificial. In real terms, it means that republicans have become more passive, and the balance reflects a loss of McCain support on both tracks, his own support and Obama's.

There ye have it!
Quit wailing and start getting active!
(Those of you who aren't already ...!)

86 arethusa  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:45:24am

Anyone know if the Flyers game is on national TV?

(I think Palin was in MN or WI yesterday. Thus not rooting for the Phillies in person, but I'm sure she was in spirit.)

Funny. I suddenly really want some pie.

87 El Lizardo mejicano  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:45:33am

re: #58 jorline

Welcome, ELm. I agree with your analogy. Five years ago I lived on the Texas/Mexico border. Thirteen years of watching the politics in Mexico and how it affected us has me convinced about the parallels.

This is a mirror election to me, we have the populist "messiah" Vs. the Conservative, in 2006 we had our enemy "hugo chavez" trying to help Lopez Obrador, we were so close in having a friend of hugo chavez next to our borders, you guys have no idea how close it was, my own family in Mexico was so afraid of that happening, we were spared.. Thank God!

We CAN NOT let it happen here either.

88 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:45:34am
89 littleoldlady  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:45:44am

re: #75 Celtic Templar

No, J Street. "Obama's Jews" (using the term "Jews" loosely). The ones who got Palin dis-invited from the anti-Ahmadinnerjacket event.

I'm in the suburbs but I do know who the mayor of Philadelphia is... ;-)

90 stymie  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:45:59am

re: #27 lazardo

I CAN'T GO BACK TO SLEEP.

/anything to help?

Opium is good fer what ails ya!

91 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:46:23am

re: #86 arethusa

Anyone know if the Flyers game is on national TV?

(I think Palin was in MN or WI yesterday. Thus not rooting for the Phillies in person, but I'm sure she was in spirit.)

Funny. I suddenly really want some pie.

Hockey? National TV? Surely you jest.

92 Nevergiveup  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:46:39am

Is it illegal to piss on a Star?

Tim Robbins gets star of Hollywood Walk of Fame

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

93 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:46:54am

re: #86 arethusa

Anyone know if the Flyers game is on national TV?

(I think Palin was in MN or WI yesterday. Thus not rooting for the Phillies in person, but I'm sure she was in spirit.)

Funny. I suddenly really want some pie.


ummm,,,, it's the NHL ,,,,,,, no national contract until the end of the season and the playoffs! (after football and College BBALL is done

94 ErislDysnomia  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:47:18am

re: #77 joncelli

No. That's what they do in banana republics. The election day is set by law. And can you imagine the whining?

So you'd rather risk an unfair election than delay?

The whining will come from the Bushitler people.

F them.

95 Lively  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:47:55am

re: #92 Nevergiveup

Is it illegal to piss on a Star?

Tim Robbins gets star of Hollywood Walk of Fame

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

If the "star" is a Liberal, then....yes, it's illegal.

If the "star" is a Republican, then....it's free speech.

96 Tigger2005  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:49:00am

re: #21 FrogMarch

Which reminds me. I gotta get a gun before the government take it away.

You're going to get a gun so the government can take it away? But if you don't get the gun in the first place, the government won't have to come to your house to take it, and you'll save the taxpayers some money. See how this socialism thing works?

97 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:49:10am

re: #92 Nevergiveup

Is it illegal to piss on a Star?

Tim Robbins gets star of Hollywood Walk of Fame

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

When you piss upon a star,...
/paging buzzsawmonkey to finish the rest of this song parody

98 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:49:42am

re: #92 Nevergiveup

Is it illegal to piss on a Star?

Tim Robbins gets star of Hollywood Walk of Fame

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

GREAT idea. We need some California Lizard to walk his dog down Hollywood Blvd !

99 jorline  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:49:48am

re: #71 Kosh's Shadow

Hippies want pot in every chicken.
/

Hey, Kosh...too funny.

100 Nevergiveup  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:50:46am

re: #98 sattv4u2

GREAT idea. We need some California Lizard to walk his dog down Hollywood Blvd !

Shit, I'd put on a doggie costume for that honor! Might need some Coors first.

101 jorline  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:51:05am

re: #85 yma o hyd

There ye have it!
Quit wailing and start getting active!
(Those of you who aren't already ...!)

Good point, yma...ding

102 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:51:21am

re: #97 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

When you piss upon a star,...
/paging buzzsawmonkey to finish the rest of this song parody

"Would you like to piss on a star" walking down Hollywood Bvld,"

Next 2 lines please,

103 MartinLeaf  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:51:32am

This financial meltdown caught our government by surprise. If our own finances come as a surprise, imagine more difficult situations, like Iran's nukes. When these idiots say "Iran is XX months away from a nuclear bomb", I think "how stupid do you think we are"?

To protect America we have to assume Iran is already nuclear or will be literally tomorrow. Common sense.

With the threat of nuclear terrorism, I do not think government can protect us. I think we have to take steps to protect ourselves.

104 Tigger2005  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:51:36am

re: #98 sattv4u2

GREAT idea. We need some California Lizard to walk his dog down Hollywood Blvd !

Good grief. We Lizards could not collectively drink enough beer to piss on the stars of all the liberal Hollywood stars.

105 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:51:40am

re: #100 Nevergiveup

Shit, I'd put on a doggie costume for that honor! Might need some Coors first.

to go along with a nice steaming bowl of chili followed by a laxitive

106 jorline  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:51:55am

re: #87 El Lizardo mejicano

This is a mirror election to me, we have the populist "messiah" Vs. the Conservative, in 2006 we had our enemy "hugo chavez" trying to help Lopez Obrador, we were so close in having a friend of hugo chavez next to our borders, you guys have no idea how close it was, my own family in Mexico was so afraid of that happening, we were spared.. Thank God!

We CAN NOT let it happen here either.

Agree...thanks

107 Nevergiveup  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:53:15am

The series of violent riots that erupted on Yom Kippur evening in Akko resumed on Saturday evening for the fourth consecutive day. Residents are reportedly hurling rocks towards homes and businesses.

Hum. I wonder how the Syrians would react to this?

108 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:53:33am

re: #103 MartinLeaf

This financial meltdown caught our government by surprise. If our own finances come as a surprise, imagine more difficult situations, like Iran's nukes. When these idiots say "Iran is XX months away from a nuclear bomb", I think "how stupid do you think we are"?

To protect America we have to assume Iran is already nuclear or will be literally tomorrow. Common sense.

With the threat of nuclear terrorism, I do not think government can protect us. I think we have to take steps to protect ourselves.

See the previous thread. It looks like that Iranian cargo ship was a big dirty bomb to be set off near Israel.
Link

109 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:54:01am

re: #107 Nevergiveup

The series of violent riots that erupted on Yom Kippur evening in Akko resumed on Saturday evening for the fourth consecutive day. Residents are reportedly hurling rocks towards homes and businesses.

Hum. I wonder how the Syrians would react to this?

who is rioting ,, and about what?

110 Odinga  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:54:06am

THE OBAMA THUGOCRACY!

Notice the HUGO inside the above word.

Here is a link about a woman who was visited by the secret service because she was turned in by an Obama supporter.
Link

111 myx0mop  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:54:16am

Sanity Check:

How come no one brought up a probability.... that the markets are reacting to a possibility that the United States may have a socialist, leftist government (just think the power triumvirate of Obama, Pelosi and Reed) for the first time in history? That would be a major game changer.

All this talk by Barack Hussein Obama regarding the class warfare, taxing the "rich", evil corporations", the distribution of wealth can not instill confidence among the business class and the investors, and they are reacting. With the US market being dominant globally, what you have abroad is a domino effect.

If McCain wins, the markets will bounce back, if Obama wins - we're in for one wild ride. Last time the world went through a similar economic situation, we had Hitler and WWII with a Holocaust.

112 Tigger2005  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:55:00am

re: #103 MartinLeaf

This financial meltdown caught our government by surprise. If our own finances come as a surprise, imagine more difficult situations, like Iran's nukes. When these idiots say "Iran is XX months away from a nuclear bomb", I think "how stupid do you think we are"?

To protect America we have to assume Iran is already nuclear or will be literally tomorrow. Common sense.

With the threat of nuclear terrorism, I do not think government can protect us. I think we have to take steps to protect ourselves.

American soldiers should have been sipping tea in downtown Tehran a year ago.

113 Nevergiveup  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:55:18am

re: #109 sattv4u2

who is rioting ,, and about what?


Police official meets with Akko’s Arab leadership

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

114 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:55:20am

re: #38 jorline

Thanks for the link Sharm...excellent.

Polls always release results from a respondent pool, but they do not tell you - although the NCPP says they always should - what proportion of people agreed to answer the poll. If a lot of folks refuse to take part in the poll, that's an important piece of information. If Gallup is getting pushback from people they are trying to contact, they may be interpreting that in a way that may skew their political weighting.

Now one thing I do not buy, is the idea that Obama has 51% support. Not that he could not get that much in the vote, but if that is true it would mean that his support has risen six points in three weeks. What would cause that to happen? It's not going to come from the democrats, he already had their support. It's not that republicans would swing over and support Obama, the numbers tell us that and in any case, the parties are very partisan this year. And the independents have not changed in Obama's favor, in fact he's a point weaker with them than he was September 14. So what's driving the bigger numbers? The only explanation is that more democrats in the poll are being counted, which means that Obama's growth is artificial. In real terms, it means that republicans have become more passive, and the balance reflects a loss of McCain support on both tracks, his own support and Obama's.

Your bold is exactly what the PUMAs have been saying.

If the sample is skewed, the results are skewed, and I find it highly interesting that gallup is not releasing the internals until a week later. That's really disingenuous, IMO.

115 lazardo  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:56:19am

re: #90 stymie

Thanks, but I'm an agnostic. (;

116 arethusa  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:58:11am

re: #111 myx0mop
Think the WSJ did that yesterday.

117 yma o hyd  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:59:12am

re: #110 Odinga

THE OBAMA THUGOCRACY!

Notice the HUGO inside the above word.

Here is a link about a woman who was visited by the secret service because she was turned in by an Obama supporter.
Link

Cripes - again, that needs to be checked, and sent to the campaign offcie, the blogs, the radio and TV stations - these things need to get out!

118 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 11:59:48am

re: #114 Sharmuta

, which means that Obama's growth is artificial

Obama, ,, the VIAGRA candidate.

119 Sgt.Slappy  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:00:21pm

When things get weird, the demon hunters reload with hollow points filled with blessed silver.

120 LEGION  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:00:24pm

It just feels like 1939. We have to stem the tide!

121 myx0mop  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:01:04pm

re: #116 arethusa

I missed that. Unfortunately, the Republicans, much less Conservatives have no representation this year, and the outlook is very gloomy.

122 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:01:16pm

re: #110 Odinga

Who are the brain police?

123 looking closely  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:01:51pm

re: #111 myx0mop

Sanity Check:

How come no one brought up a probability.... that the markets are reacting to a possibility that the United States may have a socialist, leftist government (just think the power triumvirate of Obama, Pelosi and Reed) for the first time in history? That would be a major game changer.


People *have* brought up this possibility.

IMO, "Obama fear" is probably a real market effect (including potential capital gains tax increase), but its only one of multiple factors at play here.

124 odinga  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:02:59pm

In my opinion ACORN is more damaging to OBAMA than Ayers.

ACORN is simpler to understand.

1. Obama worked for ACORN during his community organizer days.
2. Obama sued on the behalf of ACORN.
3. It is common knowledge ACORN = Voter fraud for Obama.
4. ACORN was instrumental in the Sub Prime collapse.
5. Obama campaign donated $800,000 to ACORN.


The CO is ACORN stands for community organizer. And we all know who is the most famous community organizer in the world.

Say it Loud!
ACORN
ACORN
ACORN

125 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:03:32pm

re: #110 Odinga

THE OBAMA THUGOCRACY!

Notice the HUGO inside the above word.

Here is a link about a woman who was visited by the secret service because she was turned in by an Obama supporter.
Link

Another article about BHO's THUGOCRACY.

Hat-tip: Some wonderful Lizard this morning.

126 lazardo  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:03:52pm

re: #124 odinga

The CO is ACORN stands for community organizer. And we all know who is the most famous community organizer in the world.

Jesus. Pontius Pilate was a governor.

////////////////////////////////////

127 littleoldlady  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:04:01pm

re: #97 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

A mule is an animal with long funny ears
Kicks up at anything he hears
His back is brawny but his brain is weak
He's just plain stupid with a stubborn streak
And by the way, if you hate to go to school
You may grow up to be a mule

/art imitates life... ;-)

128 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:04:03pm

re: #122 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Who are the brain police?

What would you do if we let you go home
And the plastic was melted and so is the chrome...
Who Are the Brain Police?

129 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:04:18pm

re: #117 yma o hyd

Cripes - again, that needs to be checked, and sent to the campaign offcie, the blogs, the radio and TV stations - these things need to get out!

Wait. It's unforunate that the woman at the Obama office probably called the SS and lied, but there was nothing else that the SS could do then to investigate if a threat was actually made.

I don't see anything wrong with this. And it's common for these folks to be a bit heavy handed when gather info. It's there job. Would you want them doing less?

130 jorline  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:04:24pm

re: #114 Sharmuta

Your bold is exactly what the PUMAs have been saying.

If the sample is skewed, the results are skewed, and I find it highly interesting that gallup is not releasing the internals until a week later. That's really disingenuous, IMO.

Couldn't agree with you more Sharm. Perhaps it's people like me that are part of the problem...I never participate in polls.

131 Steffan  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:04:59pm

re: #42 spudly

They need to hammer this. Say things like "after the 2000 election, you'd think that we would have done something to clean up the process. Not just making sure every legal vote is counted, but also making sure that NO ILLEGAL VOTES ARE COUNTED." How anyone could get away with being in favor of voter fraud boggles the mind. Voter fraud enabling (no IDs) is part of the Democrat platform, right? Or is it so fundamental a principle to them it doesn't need enumeration in the platform?

Democratic platforms tend to have planks that would embarrass civilized people.

For instance, in 1856, the DP firmly supported the Fugitive Slave Act, which allowed Southern slaveowners to retrieve their absconded property from wherever they might be found.... even in the lobby of Independence Hall in Philadelphia, if it should come to that.

It gets better.

"Resolved:

1. That the Federal government is one of limited power, derived solely from the constitution, and the grants of power made therein ought to be strictly construed by all the departments and agents of the government, and that it is inexpedient and dangerous to exercise doubtful constitutional powers.

2. That the constitution does not confer upon the general government the power to commence and carry on a general system of internal improvements.

3. That the constitution does not confer authority upon the Federal government, directly or indirectly, to assume the debts of the several states, contracted for local and internal improvements or other state purposes; nor would such assumption be just or expedient.

4. That justice and sound policy forbid the Federal government to foster one branch of industry to the detriment of another, or to cherish the interests of one portion of our common country; that every citizen and every section of the country has a right to demand and insist upon an equality of rights and privileges, and a complete and ample protection of persons and property from domestic violence and foreign aggression.

5. That it is the duty of every branch of the government to enforce and practice the most rigid economy in conducting our public affairs, and that no more revenue ought to be raised than is required to defray the necessary expenses of the government and gradual but certain extinction of the public debt.

6. That the proceeds of the public lands ought to be sacredly applied to the national objects specified in the constitution, and that we are opposed to any law for the distribution of such proceeds among the states, as alike inexpedient in policy and repugnant to the constitution.

7. That Congress has no power to charter a national bank; that we believe such an institution one of deadly hostility to the best interests of this country, dangerous to our republican institutions and the liberties of the people, and calculated to place the business of the country within the control of a concentrated money power and above the laws and will of the people; . . .

"

Yes, that really is a Democratic Party platform. Seriously. No foolin'.

132 doppelganglander  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:06:05pm

re: #110 Odinga

THE OBAMA THUGOCRACY!

Notice the HUGO inside the above word.

Here is a link about a woman who was visited by the secret service because she was turned in by an Obama supporter.
Link

That's just the tip of the iceberg. Americans can't imagine losing their right to free speech, but they've been conditioned to it by years of campus speech codes, unconstitutional hate crimes legislation, and subtle or not-so-subtle intimidation by the grievance industry.

Michael Barone at NRO has a nice round-up of Obama's thuggish tactics: The Coming Obama Thugocracy. And that doesn't even include things like contacting the Justice Department to prevent a pro-McCain group from running a completely truthful anti-Obama ad.

133 jorline  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:06:21pm

re: #118 sattv4u2

, which means that Obama's growth is artificial

Obama, ,, the VIAGRA candidate.

The Viagra candidate...that wouldn't be hard to believe.

134 Steffan  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:07:28pm

re: #103 MartinLeaf

This financial meltdown caught our government by surprise. If our own finances come as a surprise, imagine more difficult situations, like Iran's nukes. When these idiots say "Iran is XX months away from a nuclear bomb", I think "how stupid do you think we are"?

To protect America we have to assume Iran is already nuclear or will be literally tomorrow. Common sense.

With the threat of nuclear terrorism, I do not think government can protect us. I think we have to take steps to protect ourselves.

Looking at the bright side, with crude oil less than $80/bbl, Putin, Chavez and the mullahs suddenly have a lot less leverage....

135 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:07:35pm

re: #110 Odinga

THE OBAMA THUGOCRACY!

Notice the HUGO inside the above word.

Here is a link about a woman who was visited by the secret service because she was turned in by an Obama supporter.
Link

however they did want to know how I felt about Obama. That was my limit. I told the Agent in no uncertain terms that my thoughts were not pertinent to their investigation, that this was America and the last time I checked I was allowed to think whatever I wanted without being questioned by the Secret Service. In fact, even if I had said what she claimed, that isn't a threat. I told them (again) and my husband verified that the statement reported by Obama's volunteer was a lie. I asked them if there was a tape of the call and they said no. I said, "So on the word of a ticked off Obama supporter you are on my porch with no other evidence and you want to question me about my THOUGHTS!?"

SNIP

They then said they were trying to do me a favor, that they came to me first before “embarrassing you by going to all your neighbors and family”, another threat? I told them to be my guest and talk to whomever they wanted but they weren’t going to investigate my thoughts on my porch.

They also informed me that it would be easier if the next time a supporter calls me I just say "Yeah sure count me in, or just hang up" apparently so she won't get her undies in a bundle and give them more useless trips. Yeah right. I said "Look, someone calls me unsolicited on my cell phone to ask me to support their candidate and I can't tell them why I don't?" I said I was sorry they made a wasted trip but if they had a problem with some made up lie they needed to go talk to her about it because it wasn't my fault they had to drive from Houston for nothing.

At one point I went inside and got a notepad to record their badge numbers and they refused to show me their badges. They had done the quick flip when they arrived. I asked for a card and the female Agent refused to give me one stating “You’re not going to get a card.” The male Agent gave me a card and told me I could contact Houston with any questions.

SNIP

136 lazardo  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:09:55pm

I think my eyelids are starting to give. G'night!

137 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:10:45pm

re: #133 jorline

The Viagra candidate...that wouldn't be hard to believe.

I'd have to be stiff to buy it

138 doppelganglander  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:12:42pm

re: #129 Walter L. Newton

Wait. It's unforunate that the woman at the Obama office probably called the SS and lied, but there was nothing else that the SS could do then to investigate if a threat was actually made.

I don't see anything wrong with this. And it's common for these folks to be a bit heavy handed when gather info. It's there job. Would you want them doing less?

I understand they had to investigate to determine if there was any truth in the accusation. What I find particularly disturbing is the way they treated the woman. They want to know her private political views, threaten to go to her neighbors and friends and ruin her reputation, and advise her to lie to these Obama creeps so she doesn't upset the apple cart. They don't have to censor her if she can be re-educated to censor herself. If the leftists can silence decent people who oppose their agenda, they can take over our government, ensconce a permanent Democratic Socialist majority, and stomp on the Constitution like Ayers stomped on the flag.

139 JohnnyReb  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:13:02pm

re: #135 MandyManners

If true that they would not show that lady their badges show she could record the numbers, thats bad.

At that point I would have dialed 911 and asked for assistance for suspected Law Enforcement impersonators.

140 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:13:30pm

ACORN - A COCKEYED OBAMA REPARATIONS NETWORK

141 yma o hyd  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:13:50pm

re: #129 Walter L. Newton

Wait. It's unforunate that the woman at the Obama office probably called the SS and lied, but there was nothing else that the SS could do then to investigate if a threat was actually made.

I don't see anything wrong with this. And it's common for these folks to be a bit heavy handed when gather info. It's there job. Would you want them doing less?

I'd want them not to treat that American citizen as villain of the piece, after it must have been obvious to them that they were handed a made-up case; I'd at least have expected them to give out their warrant cards when asked, because thats what they are obliged to do, aren't they?

What should really be checked however, is - who got them there in the first place? Who was the B0-official who blew this up into something like a threat to the life of B0?
Thats where the thugocracy comes in - its not the heavy-handedness of some SS agents, its the people who sent them there.

142 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:13:56pm

re: #124 odinga

In my opinion ACORN is more damaging to OBAMA than Ayers.

ACORN is simpler to understand.

1. Obama worked for ACORN during his community organizer days.
2. Obama sued on the behalf of ACORN.
3. It is common knowledge ACORN = Voter fraud for Obama.
4. ACORN was instrumental in the Sub Prime collapse.
5. Obama campaign donated $800,000 to ACORN.


The CO is ACORN stands for community organizer. And we all know who is the most famous community organizer in the world.

Say it Loud!
ACORN
ACORN
ACORN

Absolutely. Expect more on ACORN- it's not going away.

143 USA  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:13:56pm

ACORN is at the center of both the economic meltdown and national voter fraud.

America, are you enjoying your first taste of COMMUNITY ORGANIZING? Lots more to come if America does not wake up this month.

144 odinga  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:13:59pm

Is this true?

OBAMA IQ = 130
McCain IQ = 138

Just like how Kerry was so smart and Bush was dumb even though Bush has better grades at HARVARD and even had a higher IQ than Lurch.

145 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:15:14pm

Obama Deadheads whine after being caught violating ticket limits for benefit show.

The latest question is: are tickets good or not? This stems from a Ratdog.org member PSU Kelly attempting to buy a ticket despite already being over the allowed limit, only to pull up a seat she thought she had. She contacted Ticketmaster and a representative did in fact confirm since she purchased more then two ticket limit her orders were cancelled. She immediately informed fellow concert goers of the dilemma for the tickets were cancel with an unusual twist. While PSUKelly knew she broke the rules, she thought she was in the free and clear as she had the hard tickets in her hand. She was not contacted by Ticketmaster for several days after the cancellation was made, when she then received an email telling her what she already knew. Other Ratdog.org members claimed the same had happened to them.
146 itellu3times  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:15:31pm
When things get weird, reload.

OK, I did, and the login box is no longer hugging my bottom.

But the typing is slow again ...

147 odinga  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:15:37pm

re: #143 USA

ACORN is at the center of both the economic meltdown and national voter fraud.

America, are you enjoying your first taste of COMMUNITY ORGANIZING? Lots more to come if America does not wake up this month.

ACORN is now affixed to OBAMA's Ayers like white on rice. Not Condi.

148 hurricane_jimmy  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:16:10pm

I just saw the Fox interview with John Fund and Scott Levenson from ACORN.

Fund didn't get out 15 seconds of commentary without that candyass douchebag Levenson interrupting him. What a fuc*ing asshole Scott Levenson is; this guy represents the a truly disgusting organization that is conducting voter fraud in the US.

149 doppelganglander  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:16:15pm

re: #144 odinga

Is this true?

OBAMA IQ = 130
McCain IQ = 138

Just like how Kerry was so smart and Bush was dumb even though Bush has better grades at HARVARD and even had a higher IQ than Lurch.

Where did you find that? I think the estimate is on the high side for both of them, frankly.

150 itellu3times  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:16:27pm

re: #144 odinga

Is this true?

OBAMA IQ = 130
McCain IQ = 138

Just like how Kerry was so smart and Bush was dumb even though Bush has better grades at HARVARD and even had a higher IQ than Lurch.

I doubt both.

151 capitalist piglet  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:16:48pm

re: #67 arethusa

Clearly the man likes his pie. And has promised a slice of pie to everyone in America, except the top 5% income earners.

They get to pick up the check, and they'd better leave a big tip, too.

152 Steffan  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:17:55pm

1858 DP Platform, further snippets:

Resolved, That we reiterate with renewed energy of purpose the well-considered declarations of former conventions upon the sectional issue of domestic slavery, and concerning the reserved rights of the states—

1. That Congress has no power under the constitution to interfere with or control the domestic institutions of the several states, and that all such states are the sole and proper judges of everything appertaining to their own affairs not prohibited by the constitution; that all efforts of the Abolitionists or others, made to induce Congress to interfere with questions of slavery, or to take incipient steps in relation thereto, are calculated to lead to the most alarming and dangerous consequences, and that all such efforts have an inevitable tendency to diminish the happiness of the people and endanger the stability and permanency of the Union, and ought not to be countenanced by any friend of our political institutions.

2. That the foregoing proposition covers and was intended to embrace the whole subject of slavery agitation in Congress, and therefore the Democratic party of the Union, standing on this national platform, will abide by and adhere to a faithful execution of the acts known as the compromise measures, settled by the Congress of 1850—"the act for reclaiming fugitives from service or labor" included; which act, being designed to carry out an express provision of the constitution, can not, with fidelity thereto, be repealed, or so changed as to destroy or impair its efficiency.

And they had the gall to conclude:

Resolved, finally, That in view of the condition of the popular institutions in the old world (and the dangerous tendencies of sectional agitation, combined with the attempt to enforce civil and religious disabilities against the rights of acquiring and enjoying citizenship in our own land), a high and sacred duty is devolved, with increased responsibility, upon the Democratic party of this country, as the party of the Union, to uphold and maintain the rights of every state, and thereby the union of the states, and to sustain and advance among us constitutional liberty, by continuing to resist all monopolies and exclusive legislation for the benefit of the few at the expense of the many, and by a vigilant and constant adherence to those principles and compromises of the constitution which are broad enough and strong enough to embrace and uphold the Union as it was, the Union as it is, and the Union as it shall be, in the full expression of the energies and capacity of this great and progressive people.

Right. They wanted to sustain constitutional liberty by preserving the institution of slavery.

Are Obama, Jackson, Sharpton, et al., aware of the history of their own party?

153 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:18:07pm
154 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:18:13pm

re: #150 itellu3times

Both seem high to me. We're looking at 110-120 max for those guys.

155 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:18:34pm

re: #144 odinga

Is this true?

OBAMA IQ = 130
McCain IQ = 138

Just like how Kerry was so smart and Bush was dumb even though Bush has better grades at HARVARD and even had a higher IQ than Lurch.

Did you all know Kerry was in Vietnam? Too bad he didn't mention it once or twice during his campaign!

156 odinga  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:18:53pm

re: #149 doppelganglander

Where did you find that? I think the estimate is on the high side for both of them, frankly.

RealClearPolitics, right banner

157 E.T.  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:19:02pm

re: #142 Sharmuta

Don't forget Rezko. He may have something interesting to say now that he's starting to sing to the feds... Hopefully they have him in protective custody.

158 JohnnyReb  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:19:52pm

re: #157 E.T.

Don't forget Rezko. He may have something interesting to say now that he's starting to sing to the feds... Hopefully they have him in protective custody.

You only have to worry about that with the Clinton's.

159 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:20:02pm

re: #157 E.T.

I've been following that closely:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

160 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:20:45pm
161 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:21:16pm

ACORN ACORN ACORN!

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

It's not going away.

162 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:21:30pm

This guy says....
Barack Obama's IQ is ~116

Sounds about right to me.

163 Archimedes  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:21:32pm

The msm is happy with McCain saying Obama is an awesome dude, so everything is okay in America today.

164 Charles  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:21:35pm

Has anyone mentioned who that woman was at the McCain town hall last night, the one who said, "Oh noes! Obama's a Arab?"

Save us from our friends, indeed. Played right into the MSM meme that McCain was inciting a mob mentality.

The fall-out is pretty massive. McCain is backing off from the attacks on Obama's character.

165 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:22:04pm

re: #139 JohnnyReb

If true that they would not show that lady their badges show she could record the numbers, thats bad.

At that point I would have dialed 911 and asked for assistance for suspected Law Enforcement impersonators.

So would I.

166 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:23:09pm

re: #4 Sharmuta

When things get weird, vote McCain anyways.

-Sharmuta

If You Wanna Get To Heaven, You Got To Raise A Little Hell

-Ozark Mountain Daredevil

167 Outrider  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:23:27pm

re: #108 Kosh's Shadow

See the previous thread. It looks like that Iranian cargo ship was a big dirty bomb to be set off near Israel.
Link

What is the source for these items I wonder?

...Following this initial rebuff, the pirates broke open one of the containers and discovered it to be filled with packets of what they said was “a powdery fine sandy soil” ....

...sixteen of the pirates subsequently died,...

...the same does not apply to the Russians and so it is that we learn the real story of the MV Iran Deyanat. She was an enormous floating dirty bomb, intended to detonate after exiting the Suez Canal at the eastern end of the Mediterranean and in proximity to the coastal cities of Israel. The entire cargo of radioactive sand, obtained by Iran from China (the latter buys desperately needed oil from the former) and sealed in containers which, when the charges on the ship are set off after the crew took to the boats, will be blasted high into the air where prevailing winds will push the highly dangerous and radioactive cloud ashore...

...This ship was nothing more nor less than the long-anticipated Iranian attack on Israel. Not the expected rocket attacks (which could be intercepted by the Israelis) but an even more deadly and unexpected attack by sea..

I've been keeping track of this story since it happened and seen nothing of these particular items. The only source I can locate right now is bloggers quoting other bloggers quoting other bloggers.

Does anyone know of a legitimate news source quoting these particular items?

168 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:23:31pm

re: #164 Charles

Has anyone mentioned who that woman was at the McCain town hall last night, the one who said, "Oh noes! Obama's a Arab?"

Save us from our friends, indeed. Played right into the MSM meme that McCain was inciting a mob mentality.

The fall-out is pretty massive. McCain is backing off from the attacks on Obama's character.

Moby?

169 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:23:32pm

re: #164 Charles

Has anyone mentioned who that woman was at the McCain town hall last night, the one who said, "Oh noes! Obama's a Arab?"

Save us from our friends, indeed. Played right into the MSM meme that McCain was inciting a mob mentality.

The fall-out is pretty massive. McCain is backing off from the attacks on Obama's character.

I almost don't mind if McCain backs off of Obama;s character, as long as he keeps mentioning his characterS

170 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:23:58pm

re: #157 E.T.

Sorry- that's not really about rezco, but I have been following this closely:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

171 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:24:09pm

re: #168 MandyManners

Moby?

Idiot. I'm sure she's a nice old lady but she's stupid.

172 CapeCoddah  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:24:15pm

Good afternoon everyone!
Whew, exhaustive day trying to keep up with a 2 year old. Took her pumpkin picking with the mandatory hay ride, to watch a cranberry harvest, and to watch the rescue of this years wayward celebrity Manatee, who was captured in Sesuit harbor, and is as we speak on his way south, to Sea World in Florida for rehab. I have petted horses, dogs, chased frogs, fed ducks and bought cranberries to make cranberry sauce with to go with a chicken dinner tonight. I'm pooped. Thank god hubby has her now for a few hours, the all important ice cream foray with grampa. Hopefully, they go to Connecticut for ice cream. I need a break!
If anyone is interested in the Manatee rescue, it will be up on:
[Link: www.ifaw.org...] but, I cannot get the link to work at the moment, will check it later. Maybe it is just me.

173 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:24:28pm

re: #164 Charles

My friends, please don't be a mob.

174 capitalist piglet  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:24:43pm

re: #126 lazardo

Jesus. Pontius Pilate was a governor.

////////////////////////////////////


Heh.

175 doppelganglander  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:26:17pm

re: #156 odinga

RealClearPolitics, right banner

That's a Google ad, my friend.

176 Archimedes  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:26:55pm

re: #164 Charles

Has anyone mentioned who that woman was at the McCain town hall last night, the one who said, "Oh noes! Obama's a Arab?"

Save us from our friends, indeed. Played right into the MSM meme that McCain was inciting a mob mentality.

The fall-out is pretty massive. McCain is backing off from the attacks on Obama's character.

It's important for McCain to point out Obama's unsavory associations, but the fact is the American people should be more savvy than this. Really, I blame it on them for letting this sort of candidate get this far.

177 yma o hyd  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:26:57pm

re: #164 Charles

Has anyone mentioned who that woman was at the McCain town hall last night, the one who said, "Oh noes! Obama's a Arab?"

Save us from our friends, indeed. Played right into the MSM meme that McCain was inciting a mob mentality.

The fall-out is pretty massive. McCain is backing off from the attacks on Obama's character.

He personally can back off in these town hall meetings - his campaign advertisements, the RNC, the 527s, Sarah Palin need not ...
Nor need the blogs, nor need the campaigners on the ground.

Wasn't there one of Wellingtons sayings, about marching separately and defeating the enemy together?

178 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:27:01pm

re: #155 sattv4u2

Did you all know Kerry was in Vietnam? Too bad he didn't mention it once or twice during his campaign!

/He was in Cambodia, also. ; )

179 odinga  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:27:08pm

We will never understand why ACORN is a stickier meme than AYERS but we must run with what sticks; and ACORN my friends will be superglued to Oblabla for all perpetuity.

Apparently VOTER FRAUD is a higher crime than BOMBING the Pentagon. Who would have guessed? It must be the sub prime melt instigated and perpetrated by ACORN. This factoid is now stamped into our collective conscious. So be it.

The ACORN does not fall far from the OBama Campaign Tree.

180 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:27:35pm

re: #164 Charles

With friends like that lady in red, who needs enemies?

181 Colonel Panik  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:27:59pm

re: #57 Walter L. Newton

I wasn't suggesting that she talk brats in Philly. The closest thing to brats in Philly is kalbasi (sp?).

Kielbasa. Along with Vodka, Poland's gift to the world.

182 neocon hippie  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:28:58pm

re: #164 Charles

Could have easily been a plant from the Obama campaign

183 Racer X  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:29:15pm

A
Crooked
Obama
Recruiting
Network

184 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:30:06pm

re: #183 Racer X

A
Crooked
Obama
Recruiting
Network

me likey ,,, me dingy you uppy

185 Cognito  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:30:27pm

I've fallen behind on my election coverage -- what is this about people at his rallies being/pretending to be a mob?

Did something happen?

186 capitalist piglet  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:30:42pm

re: #156 odinga

RealClearPolitics, right banner

That electoral map makes me want to get in the bathtub with a razor blade.

187 jorline  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:30:47pm

All three of these people have admitted to filling out multiple applications. The links for each individual have been posted here on LGF. Notice how SoS Brunner is mentioned in this clip.

Interview with JENNIFER BRUNNER (D), OHIO SECRETARY OF STATE.
The videos are half way down the page. Amazing how Brunner refuses to believe the facts.

Both of these video have linking information.

Looks like a lot of bones are being buried in the backyard.

188 Perplexed  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:31:38pm

re: #155 sattv4u2

Did you all know Kerry was in Vietnam? Too bad he didn't mention it once or twice during his campaign!

Kerry was in Vietnam? Huh? I didn't know that. Did he do anything while over there besides terrorize civilians and commit war crimes?

/sarcasm

189 reno911  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:32:22pm

re: #108 Kosh's Shadow

See the previous thread. It looks like that Iranian cargo ship was a big dirty bomb to be set off near Israel.
Link

Not likely. Stratfor

If and when Iran attacks, they will go for a knock-out punch. Anything less means suicide for them. But then again, they are Muslims.

190 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:32:23pm

re: #188 Perplexed

Kerry was in Vietnam? Huh? I didn't know that. Did he do anything while over there besides terrorize civilians and commit war crimes?

/sarcasm


He also wore a special hat. A very special hat.
/channeling Dr. Seuss

191 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:32:31pm

re: #185 Cognito

I've fallen behind on my election coverage -- what is this about people at his rallies being/pretending to be a mob?

Did something happen?

geeezz louise ,,, how stories get started. Mccain said that we should not be afraid of an Obama Presidency, should it come to that. The crowd didn't like that and loudly booed ,,,

some mob! you'll get the same reaction when a baseball umpire blows a call!

192 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:32:50pm

re: #186 capitalist piglet

That electoral map makes me want to get in the bathtub with a razor blade electric toaster.

193 jorline  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:33:15pm

re: #164 Charles

Has anyone mentioned who that woman was at the McCain town hall last night, the one who said, "Oh noes! Obama's a Arab?"

Save us from our friends, indeed. Played right into the MSM meme that McCain was inciting a mob mentality.

The fall-out is pretty massive. McCain is backing off from the attacks on Obama's character.

Placebo conservative, Charles

194 Tasty Beverage  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:34:48pm

re: #108 Kosh's Shadow

re: #167 Outrider

The hijacked Iranian ship was released by the pirates yesterday. It's heading into international waters.

Somali pirates release hijacked Iranian ship

TEHRAN (AFP) — Pirates released an Iranian ship that had been hijacked off the Somali coast in August, state news agency IRNA reported on Friday.

"The ship Dianat was released on Friday morning after seven weeks of ... negotiations with Somali pirates," the state-owned Islamic Republic of Iran Shipping Lines said in statement carried by the agency.

"All 29 members of the crew are safe and sound and the ship is sailing towards international waters," it said.

195 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:35:01pm

re: #185 Cognito

McCain supporters are losing their marbles.....
McCain booed after telling crowd to be respectful to Obama

The lady in red is pretty bad.

196 Cognito  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:35:52pm

re: #185 Cognito

That's why I asked.

197 Tasty Beverage  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:35:58pm

Re my #194,

Granted, that's IRNA making the claim, so who knows.

198 capitalist piglet  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:36:05pm

re: #164 Charles

Has anyone mentioned who that woman was at the McCain town hall last night, the one who said, "Oh noes! Obama's a Arab?"

Save us from our friends, indeed. Played right into the MSM meme that McCain was inciting a mob mentality.

The fall-out is pretty massive. McCain is backing off from the attacks on Obama's character.

Headline in the Seattle paper today: MCCAIN DEFENDS OBAMA

Next above-the-fold story: Palin abused power, panel says

(Paraphrasing on the second one.)

The McCain headline font was almost the size of "DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN".

199 CapeCoddah  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:36:11pm

re: #164 Charles

Has anyone mentioned who that woman was at the McCain town hall last night, the one who said, "Oh noes! Obama's a Arab?"

Save us from our friends, indeed. Played right into the MSM meme that McCain was inciting a mob mentality.

The fall-out is pretty massive. McCain is backing off from the attacks on Obama's character.

My guess would be an Obama plant, just as I suspect the other one advocating shooting probably was.

200 Perplexed  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:36:46pm

This crap reminds me of the 1960 election cycle. Nixon won but Kennedy and his organization in both Chicago and Texas committed massive voter fraud.

201 E.T.  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:37:04pm
202 Shay4l  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:37:39pm

re: #194 Tasty Beverage

re: #167 Outrider

The hijacked Iranian ship was released by the pirates yesterday. It's heading into international waters.

Somali pirates release hijacked Iranian ship

I hope the crew is wearing protective gear

203 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:38:28pm

re: #167 Outrider

I've been keeping track of this story since it happened and seen nothing of these particular items. The only source I can locate right now is bloggers quoting other bloggers quoting other bloggers.

Does anyone know of a legitimate news source quoting these particular items?

Not those items. I still think whatever is in the ship is radioactive, though.
The more I think about it, though, trying to set off a dirty bomb at any distance from the target would contaminate a massive area, if it worked at all and didn't just contaminate large areas of the ocean, so I might fall back on my original idea that it was aimed at a western port.
I think a lot of countries would be upset at Iran if fishing in the Mediterranean was unsafe for a few thousand years.

204 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:38:31pm

re: #199 CapeCoddah

That excuse never worked for lefties and it's not going to work for righties. No offense but I think it just compounds the embarrassment.

205 yma o hyd  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:38:32pm

Ooohhhh - this is just right for the weekend ...

look at this ...

(via Hillbuzz)

206 Cognito  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:39:18pm

re: #195 Killgore Trout

McCain supporters are losing their marbles.....
McCain booed after telling crowd to be respectful to Obama

The lady in red is pretty bad.

Good Lord. What a pack of morons.

McCain squashed it with honor -- note how he whipped the microphone from that last gal -- but when a candidate has to 'squash' the vibe at his own rally, that hurts.

207 CapeCoddah  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:39:23pm

re: #200 Perplexed

This crap reminds me of the 1960 election cycle. Nixon won but Kennedy and his organization in both Chicago and Texas committed massive voter fraud.

I just saw an Ohio election official being interviewed, she said they have found thousands of voter registrations that have no SSN, DOB, addresses that do not exist, double and triple registrations, etc... They are going thru all of them, and turning them over to the FBI. She seemed determined to clean up her county, at least.

208 Son of the Black Dog  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:39:24pm

re: #102 Walter L. Newton

"Would you like to piss on a star" walking down Hollywood Bvld,"

Next 2 lines please,

Carry moonbats home in a jar
and be worse off than you are

209 capitalist piglet  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:39:57pm

re: #201 E.T.

I'm not sure what to believe anymore

WOW. Seriously - thank you for that. (Maybe I'll just get in the tub, and save the razor blades for November 5th, in case I need them then - we might actually be all right.)

210 Tigger2005  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:40:02pm

re: #164 Charles

Has anyone mentioned who that woman was at the McCain town hall last night, the one who said, "Oh noes! Obama's a Arab?"

Save us from our friends, indeed. Played right into the MSM meme that McCain was inciting a mob mentality.

The fall-out is pretty massive. McCain is backing off from the attacks on Obama's character.

Charles, we just have to frigging forget about it, and forge ahead. If we spend all our time agonizing over every damn misstep November 4 will come and go before we know it. This truly is a war with a deadline.

211 odinga  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:40:16pm

Go to this Link and you will see the ACORN state directory. Click on a State and then the email address will appear. Maybe we should tell ACORN that they are a bunch of freaking race baiting liars.

The ACORN home page suggests that McCain is just trying to suppress the vote by making false accusations against ACORN.

Tell ACORN President Maude Hurd that ACORN DID cause the sub prime melt down. Get them off their game. Rattle their cage. They will soon reveal themselves under the light of full exposure.

Scream Lizards, Scream like banshees

212 yma o hyd  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:40:18pm

re: #194 Tasty Beverage

re: #167 Outrider

The hijacked Iranian ship was released by the pirates yesterday. It's heading into international waters.

Somali pirates release hijacked Iranian ship

I hope the US Navy and the other Navies there are keeping their beady eyes on that particular ship ...

213 CapeCoddah  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:40:35pm

re: #204 Killgore Trout

That excuse never worked for lefties and it's not going to work for righties. No offense but I think it just compounds the embarrassment.

No offense taken, Killgore, Just wondering. It is really not that far fetched. They (libs) are even more rabid this year.

214 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:40:51pm

That woman could have been a plant or she could be a right winger. After the stuff with GoV and pamela, paulbots and pat buchanan it's not like we can get airs that we don't have racists in our ranks. They should be shunned, obviously, but we can't just chalk it up to a moby.

215 jcm  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:41:27pm

re: #184 sattv4u2

me likey ,,, me dingy you uppy

Down ding for grammar!
/ ;-)

216 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:41:35pm

re: #206 Cognito

He could have responded better but his instinct was to distance himself as much as possible from her bigotry. Rightly so. This does fit in with the other stories we've heard lately that McCain rallies are getting ugly.

217 Perplexed  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:42:04pm

re: #207 CapeCoddah

I just saw an Ohio election official being interviewed, she said they have found thousands of voter registrations that have no SSN, DOB, addresses that do not exist, double and triple registrations, etc... They are going thru all of them, and turning them over to the FBI. She seemed determined to clean up her county, at least.

Good and I hope that the perps really have the book thrown at them. Voter fraud undermines our entire political process and disenfranchises real voters.

218 jorline  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:42:14pm

re: #214 Sharmuta

That woman could have been a plant or she could be a right winger. After the stuff with GoV and pamela, paulbots and pat buchanan it's not like we can get airs that we don't have racists in our ranks. They should be shunned, obviously, but we can't just chalk it up to a moby.

Sharm...see my #193.

219 debutaunt  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:42:21pm

re: #200 Perplexed

This crap reminds me of the 1960 election cycle. Nixon won but Kennedy and his organization in both Chicago and Texas committed massive voter fraud.

What?

220 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:42:28pm

re: #189 reno911

Not likely. Stratfor

If and when Iran attacks, they will go for a knock-out punch. Anything less means suicide for them. But then again, they are Muslims.

This only gets me to a page for an offer to join, which I'm not interested in doing right now. What do they say?

221 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:42:40pm

ACORN ACORN ACORN!

It's not going away- and people are noticing!

[Link: www.israpundit.com...]

222 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:43:21pm

re: #212 yma o hyd

Is that the ship that mysteriously made the pirates sick?

223 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:44:00pm

re: #194 Tasty Beverage

re: #167 Outrider

The hijacked Iranian ship was released by the pirates yesterday. It's heading into international waters.

Somali pirates release hijacked Iranian ship

I hope we're tracking it, or someone is going to get a dirty surprise.
That level of radiation should be detectable, especially once the pirates opened a container.

224 Tigger2005  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:44:04pm

re: #198 capitalist piglet

Headline in the Seattle paper today: MCCAIN DEFENDS OBAMA

Next above-the-fold story: Palin abused power, panel says

(Paraphrasing on the second one.)

The McCain headline font was almost the size of "DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN".

Like McCain stands a chance in Seattle anyway.

We just can't let it get us down, goddammit! Why are people so bound and determined to spread gloom and discouragement?

225 Cognito  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:44:13pm

re: #216 Killgore Trout

He could have responded better but his instinct was to distance himself as much as possible from her bigotry. Rightly so. This does fit in with the other stories we've heard lately that McCain rallies are getting ugly.

I'm not convinced it's part of any broad pattern, just yet. There are full-blown idiots on both sides -- right and left -- but McCain's are getting more exposure than Obama's because he does those Town Hall meetings. If he addressed people from a podium, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

226 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:44:38pm

re: #205 yma o hyd

Ooohhhh - this is just right for the weekend ...

look at this ...

(via Hillbuzz)

Whats up with Obama's suddenly graying hair?

227 jcm  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:44:48pm

re: #221 Sharmuta

ACORN ACORN ACORN!

It's not going away- and people are noticing!

[Link: www.israpundit.com...]

The acorn won't fall in the Oval Office!

228 odinga  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:45:00pm

re: #209 capitalist piglet

WOW. Seriously - thank you for that. (Maybe I'll just get in the tub, and save the razor blades for November 5th, in case I need them then - we might actually be all right.)

PEOPLE LIZARDS,
ignore the freakin polls. The latest Newsweek poll that showed Obama up +11 was oversampled with DEMS by 30% for chrisssake.

I backcalculated the Newsweek poll with an equal weighting and it IS A DEAD HEAT TIE.

229 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:45:03pm

re: #215 jcm

Down ding for grammar!
/ ;-)

I WUZ ROBBED !

230 Colonel Panik  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:45:13pm

re: #199 CapeCoddah

My guess would be an Obama plant, just as I suspect the other one advocating shooting probably was.

Dirty Astroturf at Republican Rallies.

231 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:45:32pm

re: #164 Charles

Has anyone mentioned who that woman was at the McCain town hall last night, the one who said, "Oh noes! Obama's a Arab?"

Save us from our friends, indeed. Played right into the MSM meme that McCain was inciting a mob mentality.

The fall-out is pretty massive. McCain is backing off from the attacks on Obama's character.

Gayle Quinnell

232 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:45:35pm

re: #225 Cognito

Agreed. Those town halls with unmoderated questions are risky.

233 jcm  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:45:42pm

re: #229 sattv4u2

I WUZ ROBBED !

LOL!

234 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:45:44pm

re: #227 jcm

The acorn won't fall in the Oval Office!

Who knew a little nut could destroy HOPE?

235 Perplexed  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:45:55pm

re: #219 debutaunt

What?

Nixon won the election in 1960 if you disregard the voter fraud from Chicago and Texas. He opted to not contest the election results because he wanted America to at least appear united under a new president. Nixon also invited Martin Luther King to the White House during the Eisenhower administration.

236 Outrider  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:45:57pm

re: #194 Tasty Beverage

re: #167 Outrider

The hijacked Iranian ship was released by the pirates yesterday. It's heading into international waters.

Somali pirates release hijacked Iranian ship

Thanks for the info.

237 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:46:21pm

re: #188 Perplexed

He filmed the remake of the movie Ghengis Khan.

238 jcm  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:46:26pm

re: #230 Colonel Panik

Dirty Astroturf at Republican Rallies.

Rally Mobys!

239 yma o hyd  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:46:36pm

re: #209 capitalist piglet

WOW. Seriously - thank you for that. (Maybe I'll just get in the tub, and save the razor blades for November 5th, in case I need them then - we might actually be all right.)

Its the further link from there which has the goodies ...

ACORN must be kept on the front burner from now on!

240 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:46:53pm

re: #153 MandyManners

BHO goes after speech.

[Link: campaignspot.nationalreview.com...]

[Link: www.kmov.com...]

[Link: thebigfeed.blogspot.com...]

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

[Link: www.mediabistro.com...]

Denver DA office is lock, stock and entitlements hooked into the Dems. No officer will ever see a the insides of a courtroom.

241 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:46:56pm
242 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:47:33pm

re: #216 Killgore Trout

He could have responded better but his instinct was to distance himself as much as possible from her bigotry. Rightly so. This does fit in with the other stories we've heard lately that McCain rallies are getting ugly.

Well, KT, I can understand why. There's just so much a person can take.

People are beyond distressed. They are seeing their way of life being destroyed at the financial, political and societal level and there is nothing else that they can do.

243 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:48:10pm

re: #164 Charles

Has anyone mentioned who that woman was at the McCain town hall last night, the one who said, "Oh noes! Obama's a Arab?"

Save us from our friends, indeed. Played right into the MSM meme that McCain was inciting a mob mentality.

The fall-out is pretty massive. McCain is backing off from the attacks on Obama's character.

Obama's grandmother!

244 yma o hyd  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:48:50pm

re: #222 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Is that the ship that mysteriously made the pirates sick?

Indeed it is!
I think it should be sent home to Iran ...

245 Tigger2005  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:48:54pm

re: #164 Charles

Save us from our friends, indeed. Played right into the MSM meme that McCain was inciting a mob mentality.

They would make something up anyway.

246 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:49:04pm

ACORN Response to Senator McCain’s Smear Ad

If John McCain thinks that community organizers caused the foreclosure crisis, he knows even less about the economy than previously thought.

Nice try, thugs.

247 Outrider  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:49:10pm

re: #203 Kosh's Shadow

Not those items. I still think whatever is in the ship is radioactive, though.
The more I think about it, though, trying to set off a dirty bomb at any distance from the target would contaminate a massive area, if it worked at all and didn't just contaminate large areas of the ocean, so I might fall back on my original idea that it was aimed at a western port.
I think a lot of countries would be upset at Iran if fishing in the Mediterranean was unsafe for a few thousand years.



Oh, I agree. It for sure was not iron ore as claimed.

I was just surprised to see such claims as I outlined being made and couldn't find a source for them, except for an on-line magazine. I figured their credibility was kind of shot as they maintain Pres Bush was responsible for blowing up the WTC.

248 Perplexed  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:49:17pm

re: #243 Walter L. Newton

Obama's grandmother!

Oh yes, a typical whitey.

/s

249 reno911  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:49:26pm

re: #220 Kosh's Shadow

Sorry about he link. Think disruption vice destruction.

Effects of a Dirty Bomb

Perhaps the biggest misconception about dirty bombs -- and there are many -- has to do with their effects. Although radioactive material is utilized in constructing them, they are not nuclear or atomic weapons. They do not produce a nuclear chain reaction and, therefore, the employment of such a device will not produce an "American Hiroshima." In fact, there can be a wide range of effects produced by a dirty bomb depending on the size of the IED and the amount and type of radioactive material involved. Environmental factors such as terrain, weather conditions and population density would also play an important role in determining the effects of such a device.

Generally, a dirty bomb that uses a large quantity of highly dangerous radioactive material such as plutonium-238 or cesium-137 will produce more (and stronger) contamination than a device that uses less material or material that is not as radioactive. However, the most highly radioactive materials are the hardest to obtain and the most difficult to work with. Some materials are so dangerous that even suicide bombers would die before they could use one if they were not properly shielded. For example, in September 1999, two Chechen militants who attempted to steal highly radioactive materials from a chemical plant in the Chechen capital of Grozny were incapacitated after carrying the container for only a few minutes each; one reportedly died.

There are, however, many more-common, less-dangerous materials, such as americium-241 or strontium-90, that would be easier to obtain and work with. It is therefore widely believed that terrorists wanting to construct a dirty bomb would be more likely to use one of them.

According to experts from organizations such as the National Council on Radiation Protection and Measurements, unless a large quantity of a very highly radioactive material is used, not many people will be immediately killed by the radiation released by a dirty bomb. Rather, the initial casualties will be a result of the explosive effects of the IED, just as they would be in a conventional IED attack without a radiological component. While exposure to very strong sources of radiation at close range could cause fatalities, a dirty bomb by design disperses its radiation over a larger area. Therefore, most of the deaths caused by the radiation in a dirty bomb will most likely be from causes like cancer that will take years to develop. Most people who quickly leave the area contaminated by the dirty bomb will have minimum exposure to radioactivity and should not suffer permanent health consequences.

Keep in mind, however, that a dirty bomb is intended to cause a panic -- and the explosion of such a device in a heavily populated urban area could very well result in a panic that could kill more people than the IED or the radiation it disperses.

It should also be noted that the radiological effects of a dirty bomb will be larger than the killing radius of the IED itself, and will persist for far longer. The explosion from a conventional IED is over in an instant, but radiation from a RDD can persist for decades. While the radiation level may not be strong enough to affect people who are exposed briefly in the initial explosion, the radiation will persist in the contaminated area and the cumulative effects of such radiation could prove very hazardous. (Here again, the area contaminated will depend on the type and quantity of the radioactive material used. Materials in a fine powdered form are easier to disperse than solid blocks of material and some radioactive materials possess a far longer half-life than others.) Due to this contamination, it will be necessary to evacuate people from the contaminated area in many, if not most, cases involving a dirty bomb. People will need to stay out of the area until it can be decontaminated, a process that can be lengthy.

250 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:50:11pm

[Link: www.israpundit.com...]

I love this one:

Obama campaign - you have a real situation on your hands w/ this Acorn dilema. Who cares about Wright and Ayers, but FRAUD, this is huge. Your entire campaign has centered around trust and change and this could completely tarnish your reputation. You, Obama, need to get on TV RIGHT NOW and explain the situation. This cannot linger in hopes of it dying down and it needs to be addressed before the McCain camp attacks. I would suggest you telling the American people, that you are appalled and don’t condone this activity and that you will put up you own money (personal or campaign) to ensure that no this situation is fixed. You must explain what is going on and separate yourself from this activity……NOW!

LOL- he can't fix it, lady. He's tied to it so deep it will make your head spin.

251 capitalist piglet  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:50:20pm

re: #224 Tigger2005

Like McCain stands a chance in Seattle anyway.

We just can't let it get us down, goddammit! Why are people so bound and determined to spread gloom and discouragement?

I live in Seattle. I know what McCain's chances are here.

I relayed the information because I wanted to demonstrate how McCain's reaction was being spun by the press in my part of the country. It's probably not what some people would expect, when some of the press is focused on the supposed "angry mob" rallies angle; I simply found the approach in the Seattle paper interesting, and the size of the headline rather humorous.

252 FlakMusic  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:50:45pm

Anyone in Alaska (or anyone else with knowledge):

What's the take on the "finding" that Palin abused her power in dismissing that guy?

253 jcm  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:51:07pm

re: #244 yma o hyd

Indeed it is!
I think it should be sent home to Iran ...

I'll bet NSA is paying real close attention to that tub.

254 yma o hyd  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:51:26pm

re: #226 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Whats up with Obama's suddenly graying hair?

He's been having tis 'problem' since June.
Mandy has hinted that he may be using hair colour - either to make him look grey and dignified - or black one to make him look youthful, when the grey shows through.

We've not come to a decision which option to go for ...

255 jas  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:51:48pm

re: #15 Sharmuta

Great spinoff, Lizards- give it a read.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Sharmuta

You've been inspiring in your enthusiasm. I've felt for a while that the polls have been skewed, and too many of them have been oversampling Dems. But, the article from Hillbuzz was the kicker for me. There's just no way that the internals could be showing the race with Obama up in the battleground states. I hope the Marxist vessel gets what's coming to him, and I don't mean being elected President.

256 Perplexed  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:51:54pm

re: #249 reno911

You are correct that a dirty bomb is intended to cause panic. After the initial explosion it becomes a decontamination issue and that might take a while to deal with.

257 Outrider  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:52:58pm

re: #223 Kosh's Shadow

I hope we're tracking it, or someone is going to get a dirty surprise.
That level of radiation should be detectable, especially once the pirates opened a container.

Where is the source they opened a container? They had the special locks that couldn't be opened without blowing them. The pirates were somewhat reluctant to do that.

258 yma o hyd  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:53:02pm

re: #230 Colonel Panik

Dirty Astroturf at Republican Rallies.

Interesting!

259 jorline  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:54:12pm

re: #241 ploome hineni

she became almost incoherent very quickly, seemed to forget what she was saying.maybe she was senile

these people commenting, should be screened

ACORN just signed her up and paid her with monthly meds. After the medications were taken she was given a script and dropped off at the rally.

I could tell she was a "O" supporter...she stumbled through the question because there wasn't a teleprompter.

260 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:54:17pm

re: #256 Perplexed

You are correct that a dirty bomb is intended to cause panic. After the initial explosion it becomes a decontamination issue and that might take a while to deal with.


It also becomes a financial catastrophe. Nobody talks about the drag on our economy defending ourselves from islamic terrorists. A dirty bomb in NYC? We're talking trillions and trillions here.

261 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:54:34pm

re: #255 jas

Thanks, again- I responded to you in that spinoff thread.

262 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:54:47pm

re: #241 ploome hineni

she became almost incoherent very quickly, seemed to forget what she was saying.maybe she was senile

these people commenting, should be screened butterfly netted


fixed

263 debutaunt  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:55:16pm

re: #226 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Whats up with Obama's suddenly graying hair?

Lemon meringue pie - must be the meringue.

264 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:55:19pm

re: #221 Sharmuta

ACORN ACORN ACORN!

It's not going away- and people are noticing!

[Link: www.israpundit.com...]

Acorn and Voter Fraud (cache)

ACORN and Voter Fraud
By Robert from Mableton, GA - Oct 9th, 2008 at 8:42 pm EDT
Comments | Mail to a Friend | Report Objectionable Content

I think it is very important for Barack Obama to address this issue before it gets out-of-control. If Obama has paid them to register voters and if ACORN has been shown to do illegal things this could blow up in the campaigns face. I would strongly suggest that the campaign does not dodge this issue. If ACORN is doing illegal things, Obama should get out from underneath it.

Bob from Atlanta


Guess Bob doesn't know about the $800,000.00 BHO gave to ACORN.

265 jas  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:55:46pm

re: #201 E.T.

I'm not sure what to believe anymore

Exactly...there is too much of disconnect between the polls and what seems to be happening...too much enthusiasm for McCain/Palin on the campaign trail, too much teeth-gnashing from from the Obamabots and the MSM, and too much fear that the race is closer than it should be for The One. Something's not right.

266 yah  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:55:51pm

I'm gonna go stock up on ammo, then go practice pointing and clicking.

267 Bobibutu  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:56:16pm

re: #212 yma o hyd

I hope the US Navy and the other Navies there are keeping their beady eyes on that particular ship ...

TEHRAN, Iran: Iran's state radio says Iran has paid Somali pirates to secure the release of 29 seamen and their cargo ship hijacked in July.

The radio was quoting Mohammad Hossein Dajmar, head of Iran's Shipping Line as saying that Iran had to pay ransom to the Somali pirates to get the crew and ship back despite fears that it may set a bad precedent.

Dajmar on Saturday said Iran had been in telephone contact with the pirates to arrange shipments of food and water to the Iranian seaman before they were finally released Friday.

The pirates on Friday freed 29 Iranian seamen and their cargo ship, Iran Dianat, that was hijacked in July.

[Link: www.iht.com...]

268 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:56:19pm

re: #226 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Whats up with Obama's suddenly graying hair?

I first noticed this about two months ago here.

269 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:56:31pm

re: #226 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Whats up with Obama's suddenly graying hair?

he's trying to look more like those Presidents on the dollar bills

270 yma o hyd  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:56:39pm

re: #246 Who Watches the Watchmen?

ACORN Response to Senator McCain’s Smear Ad

Nice try, thugs.

They know they've been rumbled - squealing like stuck pigs.

Its all communist tactics, same as was used by the COMINTERN in the 1920 and 1930s.

271 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:56:56pm

re: #264 MandyManners

It's beautiful, isn't it?

272 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:57:01pm

Gotta' go to the market! bbl

273 jcm  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:57:06pm

re: #256 Perplexed

You are correct that a dirty bomb is intended to cause panic. After the initial explosion it becomes a decontamination issue and that might take a while to deal with.

The immediate damage of a bomb will be familiar. The radiation will become apparent soon and leak even faster. It won't even take lethal or toxic levels of radiation to create the panic. Just the fact that radiation was measured, and images of first responders going through DECON on the evening news.

And yes depending on the type of material and amount cleanup will be the main issue.

274 Outrider  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:57:07pm

re: #252 FlakMusic

Anyone in Alaska (or anyone else with knowledge):

What's the take on the "finding" that Palin abused her power in dismissing that guy?

Don't know. What was the take when President Clinton "fired" 93 attorneys, then later "fired" another 30. The response was-they served at his pleasure-.

I'm assuming it was merely coincidental many of them were investing him at the time. ;-)>

275 debutaunt  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:57:23pm

re: #235 Perplexed

Nixon won the election in 1960 if you disregard the voter fraud from Chicago and Texas. He opted to not contest the election results because he wanted America to at least appear united under a new president. Nixon also invited Martin Luther King to the White House during the Eisenhower administration.

He got more votes, but saying that he won, startled me!

276 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:57:32pm

When things get weird.... The weird turn pro........

277 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:57:36pm

re: #269 sattv4u2

he's trying to look more like those Presidents on the dollar bills

Ha!

278 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:57:39pm

re: #271 Sharmuta

It's beautiful, isn't it?

If all of that is for real, I hope it spreads quickly.

Later!

279 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:57:43pm

re: #254 yma o hyd

He's been having tis 'problem' since June.
Mandy has hinted that he may be using hair colour - either to make him look grey and dignified - or black one to make him look youthful, when the grey shows through.

We've not come to a decision which option to go for ...

I vote black that is died grey for two reasons. It gives him the gravitas he doesn't have and subliminally makes people feel sympathy - "He's working so hard for us that his hair is turning grey!"

But the other way around has merit too - especially for a narcissist!
;)

280 odinga  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:58:17pm

re: #186 capitalist piglet

That electoral map makes me want to get in the bathtub with a razor blade.

IGNORE THE MAP. It has a bogosity quotient of 1x10^6.

I have been analyzing the polls. The sampling (more DNC that GOP) is what is causing the entire shift and wild swings. Do you really think that the country can flip who they are voting for by 6% in a single day? I have not met a single Repub who is voting for Obama.

There are no Obama stickers even in the Whole Foods Parking Lot in the most leftist part of Southern CA. The place was wall-to-wall Kerry stickers in 2004. In 2008 NADA. Even the College campuses have a paucity of Obama stickers.

The opposition and the MSM is not going to Psyche us out. It is all a mirage. Average people are scared sheitless over Obama. This ACORN thing has TRACTION baby.

Convention WISDOM is never right.

281 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:58:23pm

re: #255 jas

And I really do mean thank you. America is too precious for me to give in to defeatism at this point.

282 CapeCoddah  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:59:22pm

re: #266 yah

Um, What do you mean by that?

283 looking closely  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:59:25pm

Attention to ACORN is heating up:

New York Post:


1 VOTER, 72 REGISTRATIONS
'ACORN PAID ME IN CASH & CIGS'

By JEANE MacINTOSH Post Correspondent

PAWNS IN 'FRAUD': Freddie Johnson, yesterday in Cleveland, and Lateala Goins told of filling out voter registrations multiple times in the ACORN scandal revealed by The Post yesterday.

Last updated: 9:10 am
October 10, 2008

CLEVELAND - A man at the center of a voter-registration scandal told The Post yesterday he was given cash and cigarettes by aggressive ACORN activists in exchange for registering an astonishing 72 times, in apparent violation of Ohio laws.

"Sometimes, they come up and bribe me with a cigarette, or they'll give me a dollar to sign up," said Freddie Johnson, 19, who filled out 72 separate voter-registration cards over an 18-month period at the behest of the left-leaning Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.

284 yma o hyd  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:59:41pm

re: #250 Sharmuta

I was shocked to read how this was a question of their 'faith' in B0, about losing that 'faith', and how this was like some sort of test for said 'faith'.

Un-effing-believable.

285 Colonel Panik  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:59:43pm

From the link I posted above, for those of you without the inclination to click on it...

Let me give the press a clue. Two months ago Republicans felt Obama would make a bad president, and they do today also. They felt he was wrong on the issues, was not experienced enough to be president, and lacked the character and integrity to be president. Their feelings about Sen. Obama have not changed in the last week.

And yet, they've gone month after month without verbally threatening anyone. Focusing on issues, character, and experience. Now the press seems to think that, after all those months of acting reasonable, Republican grass-roots supporters have suddenly turned into raving maniacs that scream death threats? No, there is a new player on the scene. Democratic dirty astroturf.

This is a planned effort by Democrats. Attend Republican rallys pretending to be Republican grass-roots supporters, yell vile statements, and hope they stick to the Republicans. IS the press in on this? I know they aren't investigating it.

Republicans will to have to do that themselves. Raise the alarm that there is a dirty astroturf campaign being run by the Democrats. Keep and eye (and ear) open at rallys for people that yell these things, and find out who they are. The only way to stop this is to expose it.

Astroturf doesn't grow in the daylight.

286 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 12:59:45pm

re: #258 yma o hyd

Paraphrasing Hitchens: "That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without proof."

That guy had no outside links or evidence to back up his claim. Just because he typed it up and put it on the web doesn't make it true.

Claiming that there's a conspiracy (especially without proof) only compounds the problem. The stupid republicans getting hysterical at these rallies are not going to magically disappear if you imagine them to be Obatron plants. Also we are going to look even dumber by concocting a conspiracy to blame our poorly informed voters on some secret liberal plan.

287 willowone  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:00:03pm

When things get weird, i excuse myself to go to the restroom. (slip out the back door)

288 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:01:45pm

re: #284 yma o hyd

Anything that's the truth and wakes these people from their trance is fine by me.

289 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:02:01pm

re: #249 reno911

Sorry about he link. Think disruption vice destruction.

Thanks for this. I do understand the dangers, which is why I pointed out the problems with fishing, if the bomb were detonated even 50 miles offshore. It would be a huge area contaminated, and the contamination would not just end up in Israel, Gaza, etc, but would probably reach Jordan and southern Lebanon.
Even a little contamination would frighten people so much that the area would be uninhabitable, not due to actual radiation, but due to fear. And agricultural products would be useless; no one would eat them. Same for fish, even if there were no detectable radiation from them.
As for suicide, I think Ahmadinejad and the mad Mullahs are perfectly happy to send their population to their 72 virgins; Islam would survive, and they'd be martyrs in paradise.
If a dirty bomb were set off in NYC, there probably would be comparatively few people with real health effects, but NY real estate would be worth less than when it was bought from the Indians.

290 Perplexed  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:02:19pm

re: #260 Irene NYC

It also becomes a financial catastrophe. Nobody talks about the drag on our economy defending ourselves from islamic terrorists. A dirty bomb in NYC? We're talking trillions and trillions here.

What if the government would ask for elderly to do decontamination, esp if they were already terminal? Before you slam me for this, this has been a consideration for other projects, using the elderly as crewmen for the atomic powered plane (50's design and program-never completed). Would expect to see a Kennedy-esque 'ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country' moment. It would solve two problems at once, the insolvent social security program and elderly living much longer than they did in the 40's. The democrats would salivate over that one.

/cynical of the government ever doing anything correctly the first time.

291 quickredfox  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:02:24pm

re: #250 Sharmuta

LOL- he can't fix it, lady. He's tied to it so deep it will make your head spin.

Time for another speech of the ages? "Don't we all have endearing old voter-fraud organizations that we just chuckle about." "This isn't the ACORN I knew."

292 jas  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:03:31pm

Agre: #281 Sharmuta

And I really do mean thank you. America is too precious for me to give in to defeatism at this point.

The MSM is doing their damnedest to sap our spirit, but, I refuse to give in. I think I'll hit the RNC tip jar tonight.

I forwarded the Hillbuzz link you posted yesterday to my brother. He was down, and he needed some cheering up. I posted on the other thread that I still believe in my heart that we are going to win this thing. The disconnect between the polls and what really seems to be happening to too great in my opinion.

293 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:03:51pm

re: #257 Outrider

Where is the source they opened a container? They had the special locks that couldn't be opened without blowing them. The pirates were somewhat reluctant to do that.

If they didn't open a container, but still got sick, then the ship is very hot, or at least part of it. Maybe the bad containers are in the bow, with several rows of ones filled with leaded concrete to shield the crew. In any case, it would be enough to detect from submarines, UAVs, helicopters, etc.

294 yma o hyd  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:04:14pm

re: #260 Irene NYC

It also becomes a financial catastrophe. Nobody talks about the drag on our economy defending ourselves from islamic terrorists. A dirty bomb in NYC? We're talking trillions and trillions here.

Not just for your economy - for the rest of the world as well.
NYC is one of the most important, if not the most important money markets of the world. The consequences for the other money markets and thus their economies would be incalculable.
The Iranian and egyptian mullahs are already jubilating about the financial crisis, as it is - you can imagine what would happen in the ME if a dirty bomb were to hit NYC ...

295 Bobibutu  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:04:24pm

Lizard meet/party - Lizards and mates.

Sunday 26th of Oct. 11 am - 3 pm

Walnut Creek, CA 94595

25 miles East of San Francisco.

Locals and Nomads welcome.

BYOB and a pot luck if you wish.

Bring what ever food you wish to cook.

World class kitchen available. BBQ grills. Picnic area.

BBQ briquettes provided.

Heated swimming pool. Bring your suits. Changing rooms etc. available.

We have the ground floor of a 1930s Mansion/museum and outdoor patio reserved.

If it rains we have indoors - if not we have both.

My Halloween treat and thanks to LGF - so no cost to you.

Email for directions and location - secure, private, gated/guarded community.

Plenty of parking ... 100+.

For those that are paranoid & suspicious this is a leftist setup - 6 of us have already met once in SF.

RawMuse hosted that one.

We all like each other.

I volunteered to host the next meet.

This is it.

296 Colonel Panik  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:05:55pm

re: #286 Killgore Trout

Paraphrasing Hitchens: "That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without proof."

That guy had no outside links or evidence to back up his claim. Just because he typed it up and put it on the web doesn't make it true.

Claiming that there's a conspiracy (especially without proof) only compounds the problem. The stupid republicans getting hysterical at these rallies are not going to magically disappear if you imagine them to be Obatron plants. Also we are going to look even dumber by concocting a conspiracy to blame our poorly informed voters on some secret liberal plan.

Given the kind of behavior the Dems have engaged in this campaign cycle, I think the guy is on to something. The McCain campaign needs to do a better job of screening questions at the townhalls. If they do that they may very well find something like this is going on.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

297 E.T.  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:05:55pm
298 yma o hyd  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:06:19pm

re: #267 Bobibutu

TEHRAN, Iran: Iran's state radio says Iran has paid Somali pirates to secure the release of 29 seamen and their cargo ship hijacked in July.

The radio was quoting Mohammad Hossein Dajmar, head of Iran's Shipping Line as saying that Iran had to pay ransom to the Somali pirates to get the crew and ship back despite fears that it may set a bad precedent.

Dajmar on Saturday said Iran had been in telephone contact with the pirates to arrange shipments of food and water to the Iranian seaman before they were finally released Friday.

The pirates on Friday freed 29 Iranian seamen and their cargo ship, Iran Dianat, that was hijacked in July.

[Link: www.iht.com...]

I'm really intrigued now; will that ship now sail to Iran - or will it be allowed through the Suez Canal?

299 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:06:40pm

re: #290 Perplexed

What if the government would ask for elderly to do decontamination, esp if they were already terminal? Before you slam me for this, this has been a consideration for other projects, using the elderly as crewmen for the atomic powered plane (50's design and program-never completed). Would expect to see a Kennedy-esque 'ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country' moment. It would solve two problems at once, the insolvent social security program and elderly living much longer than they did in the 40's. The democrats would salivate over that one.

/cynical of the government ever doing anything correctly the first time.

0bama would have jobs for all us Republicans and McCain supporters.
/partially sarc.

300 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:06:45pm

re: #295 Bobibutu
Wow! Very fancy. You'll have to let the rest of us know how it goes.

301 pingjockey  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:07:10pm

re: #298 yma o hyd
It may get into deep enough water and.....disappear. Heh.

302 willowone  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:07:31pm

This is only anecdotal, But my spouse works for a Large Union, most of the workers while told to vote for Obama , said they will not.
Now if only my spouse can encourage them to actually vote!

303 twincitiesgirl  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:07:38pm

re: #286 Killgore Trout

I think it's a combination of both. It doesn't stretch my imagination to believe that the same people who are deeply involved in voter fraud would be above planting "crazy, angry republicans" at McCain's rallies. Of course there ARE crazy people on both sides. I think we do damage to ourselves by continuing to focus on it. Learn from this and move on.

304 Perplexed  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:07:47pm

re: #275 debutaunt

He got more votes, but saying that he won, startled me!

David Frost once interviewed Nixon after the fact and Nixon said "I won the 1960 election and would have been president instead of Kennedy had it not been for the voter fraud in Chicago and Texas." I liked Nixon and view him as a good man who was thrown head first into a mess democrats created.

305 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:08:08pm

re: #290 Perplexed

What if the government would ask for elderly to do decontamination, esp if they were already terminal? Before you slam me for this, this has been a consideration for other projects, using the elderly as crewmen for the atomic powered plane (50's design and program-never completed). Would expect to see a Kennedy-esque 'ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country' moment. It would solve two problems at once, the insolvent social security program and elderly living much longer than they did in the 40's. The democrats would salivate over that one.

/cynical of the government ever doing anything correctly the first time.

Ridiculous, the procedures for the decontamination of contaminated area's of this type are well established and present very little heath hazards to those trained to do the work. The projects you describe were suggested long before such procedures were developed.

306 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:08:41pm

re: #301 pingjockey

It may get into deep enough water and.....disappear. Heh.

It certainly would get radiation checked before entering any western harbor.
Issue radiation suits to the Coast Guards of the world.

307 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:08:47pm

re: #295 Bobibutu

re: #300 Killgore Trout

Wow! Very fancy. You'll have to let the rest of us know how it goes.

take pictures,,,, when ready, lets have a thread about it

308 jorline  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:09:09pm

re: #295 Bobibutu

Sounds like a great party, Bob...I'm with y'all in spirit.

309 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:09:20pm

re: #296 Colonel Panik

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.


So you have no evidence of a grand conspiracy but you chose to believe it anyways. The right has a serious deficit of logic and reason. Why make it worse by inventing unproven conspiracy theories? They have no bearing on reality and don't solve the problem. Why bother?

310 cliffster  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:10:38pm

Just watched the real UT beat the #1 team in the nation. The other UT isn't doing so good against Georgia.

311 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:10:43pm

re: #295 Bobibutu

Lizard meet/party - Lizards and mates.

Sunday 26th of Oct. 11 am - 3 pm

Walnut Creek, CA 94595

25 miles East of San Francisco.

Locals and Nomads welcome.

BYOB and a pot luck if you wish.

Bring what ever food you wish to cook.

World class kitchen available. BBQ grills. Picnic area.

BBQ briquettes provided.

Heated swimming pool. Bring your suits. Changing rooms etc. available.

We have the ground floor of a 1930s Mansion/museum and outdoor patio reserved.

If it rains we have indoors - if not we have both.

My Halloween treat and thanks to LGF - so no cost to you.

Email for directions and location - secure, private, gated/guarded community.

Plenty of parking ... 100+.

For those that are paranoid & suspicious this is a leftist setup - 6 of us have already met once in SF.

RawMuse hosted that one.

We all like each other.

I volunteered to host the next meet.

This is it.

Ghaw.................. Evil NorCal Lizards........................................... .. Us Good SoCal Lizards need to have such a party to prevent a rending in the time space continuum.

312 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:10:48pm

re: #307 sattv4u2

take pictures,,,, when ready, lets have a thread about it


Maybe Zombie could cover it and still remain anonymous. Wouldn't that be a feat?

313 Bobibutu  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:11:18pm

re: #298 yma o hyd

I'm really intrigued now; will that ship now sail to Iran - or will it be allowed through the Suez Canal?

[Link: www.presstv.ir...]

He said the crewmen were 'safe and in good condition' onboard the Iranian vessel, which was expected to reach Oman's capital Muscat by Monday.

On August 21, pirates hijacked the ship, along with its crew and 42,500 tons of minerals and industrial products in the Gulf of Aden off Somalia's coast.

The pirates, who usually take hostages to receive a good ransom, finally released Dianat on Friday after seven weeks of negotiations.

.... Looks like a busy weekend in Muscat.

314 Son of the Black Dog  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:11:42pm

re: #219 debutaunt

What?

The Chicago machine delivered massive numbers of dead voters for the Dem ticket. And the rural counties in south Texas did their part for "Landslide Lyndon", by coming up with more Dem voters than they had residents. Either state would have carried the election for Nixon. President Eisenhower wanted Nixon to contest the election, on the basis that JFK/LBJ had won through fraud, but Nixon declined because he didn't want to put the country through something so divisive. No good deed goes unpunished.

315 yma o hyd  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:13:08pm

re: #286 Killgore Trout

Paraphrasing Hitchens: "That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without proof."

That guy had no outside links or evidence to back up his claim. Just because he typed it up and put it on the web doesn't make it true.

Claiming that there's a conspiracy (especially without proof) only compounds the problem. The stupid republicans getting hysterical at these rallies are not going to magically disappear if you imagine them to be Obatron plants. Also we are going to look even dumber by concocting a conspiracy to blame our poorly informed voters on some secret liberal plan.

Agree in principle with what you say.
And its no good howling about conspiracies without any proof.
However - being a bit suspicious that such astroturfing might be possible, and that vigilance might not be a bad idea is certainly not a bad attitude to have.

I'm just reading this amazing autobiography 'Out of the Night', by jan Valten, which a Lizard recommended. Its by a German communist who ended up in the USA and wrote this in 1941.
What he describes of his activities as a communityst organiser under the direction of the COMINTERN is precisely what you can observe today, with ACORN for example ...

Thus - vigilance now is betetr than regret afterwards.

316 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:14:02pm

re: #283 looking closely

Attention to ACORN is heating up:

New York Post:

I love this-

CLEVELAND - A man at the center of a voter-registration scandal told The Post yesterday he was given cash and cigarettes by aggressive ACORN activists in exchange for registering an astonishing 72 times, an APPARENT violation of Ohio laws.

317 Colonel Panik  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:15:22pm

re: #309 Killgore Trout


The right has a serious deficit of logic and reason.

And the left doesn't?

I don't put anything past the leftist Dems and their desire to win in this election cycle. I'm not saying it is true, just that there is a very good possibility it is happening which the McCain campaign should not discount, be vigilant for, and attempt to catch them in the act if possible.

And yes, there are idiots on our side as well. But I am not as eager to dis the Republican base as some people here seem to be.

318 Perplexed  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:15:37pm

re: #314 Son of the Black Dog

The Chicago machine delivered massive numbers of dead voters for the Dem ticket. And the rural counties in south Texas did their part for "Landslide Lyndon", by coming up with more Dem voters than they had residents. Either state would have carried the election for Nixon. President Eisenhower wanted Nixon to contest the election, on the basis that JFK/LBJ had won through fraud, but Nixon declined because he didn't want to put the country through something so divisive. No good deed goes unpunished.

So who was vilified and who was crowned prince? I feel that Nixon was a better man than Kennedy ever was.

319 rawmuse  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:16:23pm

re: #316 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

It is apparent, unless you are a Democrat.

320 Cognito  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:16:41pm

re: #316 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I love this-

CLEVELAND - A man at the center of a voter-registration scandal told The Post yesterday he was given cash and cigarettes by aggressive ACORN activists in exchange for registering an astonishing 72 times, an APPARENT violation of Ohio laws.

They're not saying 72x registration is apparently a violation. They're leaving open the door for possibility the guy is a nutter.

You're missing the big picture -- and excellent work by the Post -- if the 'apparent' gets in the way.

321 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:16:51pm

re: #312 Killgore Trout

Maybe Zombie could cover it and still remain anonymous. Wouldn't that be a feat?

shows up disguised as ________ ?

322 Son of the Black Dog  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:17:01pm

re: #254 yma o hyd

He's been having tis 'problem' since June.
Mandy has hinted that he may be using hair colour - either to make him look grey and dignified - or black one to make him look youthful, when the grey shows through.

We've not come to a decision which option to go for ...

Bill Clinton pulled the same trick in 2000.

323 jorline  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:17:19pm

Holly crap...hold onto your seats lizards.

DEM CONGRESS PLANS ON OBAMA WIN; PELOSI MAY CALL HOUSE BACK...

WASHINGTON (AP) - After consulting with Barack Obama, Democratic leaders are likely to call Congress back to work after the election in hopes of passing legislation that would include extended jobless benefits, money for food stamps and possibly a tax rebate, officials said Saturday.

The bill's total cost could reach $150 billion, these officials said.

324 odinga  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:17:37pm

If you look at the latest Newsweak poll (which has Obama by +11) you will discover an utter lack of internal consistency. Plus it is laced with sampling biases.

NRO

I implore you. Ignore this BS. The MSM is not about to present the true picture. They are trying at every turn to counter act the ENERGY that Plain has injected into the campaign and they are trying to undermine the pent up rage against the sub-prime-socialism that will propel us to victory.

The are activating the 'hate' meme to dampen our passion and zest and extinguish our hopes. We are NOT that stupid to let it happen, are We?

Speak you mind. They are going to call you racist no matter what.

Obama said himself: Argue and get in their Face.

325 yma o hyd  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:18:39pm

re: #313 Bobibutu

[Link: www.presstv.ir...]

He said the crewmen were 'safe and in good condition' onboard the Iranian vessel, which was expected to reach Oman's capital Muscat by Monday.

On August 21, pirates hijacked the ship, along with its crew and 42,500 tons of minerals and industrial products in the Gulf of Aden off Somalia's coast.

The pirates, who usually take hostages to receive a good ransom, finally released Dianat on Friday after seven weeks of negotiations.

.... Looks like a busy weekend in Muscat.

Oman - hm ... I'm sure the US Navy is keeping track, and wouldn't be surprised if some arm-twisting is going on behind the scenes to get that ship 'home' to Iran ... they got enough desert to bury those containers!

326 Bobibutu  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:18:43pm

re: #307 sattv4u2

re: #300 Killgore Trout

take pictures,,,, when ready, lets have a thread about it

We'll keep you posted.

327 itellu3times  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:19:33pm

re: #154 Killgore Trout

Both seem high to me. We're looking at 110-120 max for those guys.

Yep.

328 Bobibutu  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:20:05pm

re: #308 jorline

Sounds like a great party, Bob...I'm with y'all in spirit.

Ah - wishing you could attend. Thanks.

329 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:20:06pm

re: #310 cliffster

Just watched the real UT beat the #1 team in the nation. The other UT isn't doing so good against Georgia.

What a great start to the college football season
The pre-season #1 (Georgia) loses
The heir apparant #1 (So Cal) loses
The next #1 (Oklahoma) loses

330 Macker  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:21:19pm

re: #244 yma o hyd

Indeed it is!
I think it should be sent home to Iran ...

...and then blown up by the US Navy at the ship's home port?

331 yma o hyd  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:22:13pm

re: #323 jorline

Holly crap...hold onto your seats lizards.

DEM CONGRESS PLANS ON OBAMA WIN; PELOSI MAY CALL HOUSE BACK...

Well, B0 did tell them to call him if they needed him ...
Pelosi et all are just planning ahead, gotta feed all the hungry, see!

332 debutaunt  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:22:27pm

re: #318 Perplexed

So who was vilified and who was crowned prince? I feel that Nixon was a better man than Kennedy ever was.

The USSR treated Kennedy like a pushover.

333 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:22:52pm

re: #328 Bobibutu

Ah - wishing you could attend. Thanks.

Ghaw.... A plague of pestilence on you evil NorCal Lizards.......... Just kidding, I'm obviously disappointed that I wont be able to travel that far to attend... ;P

334 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:23:38pm

American Thinker has this YouTube video by Philip Berg, a Democrat who has sued Obama for his birth records. It's interesting. I'd like to know what everyone else thinks. [Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

335 rawmuse  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:23:56pm

re: #333 doriangrey

Ghaw.... A plague of pestilence on you evil NorCal Lizards.......... Just kidding, I'm obviously disappointed that I wont be able to travel that far to attend... ;P

Southwest fares are pretty cheap! Would love to have ya.

336 Colonel Panik  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:23:57pm

re: #332 debutaunt

The USSR treated Kennedy like a pushover.

I wonder how the Bay of Pigs would have turned out if Nixon had been elected President. Cuba might be a free and prosperous country today.

337 yma o hyd  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:24:29pm

re: #330 Macker

...and then blown up by the US Navy at the ship's home port?

Naa ... as a good mum, I'm all for letting the kids clean up their own mess: let the Iranians decontaminate and deal with that stuff themselves, that'll teach them!

338 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:25:11pm

For those interested in economics and personal finance: Bob Brinker is on.

339 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:25:11pm

re: #329 sattv4u2

I have a problem. My dad went to OU and my son went to UT. Every year, we have this cone of silence until the game is over. Then we maintain a semi-moratorium until Christmas.

340 Lively  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:25:21pm

re: #302 willowone

This is only anecdotal, But my spouse works for a Large Union, most of the workers while told to vote for Obama , said they will not.
Now if only my spouse can encourage them to actually vote!

My sister is union and she has never voted for a Republican. She said there is no way she's voting for the O.

341 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:25:22pm

re: #335 rawmuse

Southwest fares are pretty cheap! Would love to have ya.

What's the nearest fly in point? San Fransisco ?

342 runrabbitrun  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:25:33pm

re: #148 hurricane_jimmy

I just saw the Fox interview with John Fund and Scott Levenson from ACORN.

Fund didn't get out 15 seconds of commentary without that candyass douchebag Levenson interrupting him. What a fuc*ing asshole Scott Levenson is; this guy represents the a truly disgusting organization that is conducting voter fraud in the US.

Disagree on a dynamic that has hobbled self-destructively well mannered conservative spokespeople for years. If anyone has his opportunity to speak taken away in a debate by his opponent, the asshole is the person who refuses to politely assert himself and claim his time.

Bush remained in the defensive crouch while the MSM was happy to step in and write their own Iraq narrative, and now the economic narrative, through the end of his presidency. McCain is in the defensive crouch as the nation is on the brink of literally being stolen away from us by leftists and their uneducated, useful idiot allies. We cannot afford to have independent rightwing voices silenced as easily as they are in even friendly venues.

Fund disgusted me when given precious time on Hannity to present the thesis from his book, 'Stealing Elections'. When the Dem participants interrupted (as always) to demand support for his claims, Fund was totally unprepared; unable even to present footnotes of evidence from his own work! All Fund could do was make a lame promise to email his cites to Colmes after the show. What a waste of an opportunity we can ill afford to squander =(

343 debutaunt  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:25:37pm

re: #336 Colonel Panik

I wonder how the Bay of Pigs would have turned out if Nixon had been elected President. Cuba might be a free and prosperous country today.

If O is elected, he will be seen the same way.

344 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:25:41pm

re: #337 yma o hyd

Naa ... as a good mum, I'm all for letting the kids clean up their own mess: let the Iranians decontaminate and deal with that stuff themselves, that'll teach them!

But there should be an embargo on Iranian shipping, or at least searches of them at every port.
Countries that do not agree should be liable for the cost of any damages should the Iranians detonate a dirty bomb.

345 debutaunt  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:26:45pm

re: #341 doriangrey

What's the nearest fly in point? San Fransisco ?

Oakland

346 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:28:10pm

re: #345 debutaunt

Oakland

Yikes............ you trying the scare me? Do they really allow perfectly good airplanes to land in Oakland?

347 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:28:31pm

re: #96 Tigger2005

You're going to get a gun so the government can take it away? But if you don't get the gun in the first place, the government won't have to come to your house to take it, and you'll save the taxpayers some money. See how this socialism thing works?

They are going to have to pry it out of my cold dead hands.

348 Son of the Black Dog  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:28:48pm

re: #336 Colonel Panik

I wonder how the Bay of Pigs would have turned out if Nixon had been elected President. Cuba might be a free and prosperous country today.

A logical consequence of which would have been no Cuban Missile Crisis, which came closer than anyone knew to getting us all blown away.

349 pingjockey  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:28:49pm

re: #346 doriangrey
Don't wear your Chargers jersey!

350 yma o hyd  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:29:58pm

re: #344 Kosh's Shadow

But there should be an embargo on Iranian shipping, or at least searches of them at every port.
Countries that do not agree should be liable for the cost of any damages should the Iranians detonate a dirty bomb.

Absolutely. It would not surprise me if that ship will be passage through the Suez Canal, perhaps after a leeettle arm-twisting by Condi, behind the scenes.
It would also not surprise me if various ME governments have been made aware of the nature of the cargo - through back channels.
I don't think the Magic Kingdom would be very happy about ahving this ship in its waters ...

We'll see ...

351 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:30:00pm

re: #347 FrogMarch

They are going to have to pry it out of my cold dead hands.

Since the government can not take from me something that I do not have I am going to have to get a gun so that they can try to take it from me.

352 jorline  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:30:29pm

re: #331 yma o hyd

Well, B0 did tell them to call him if they needed him ...
Pelosi et all are just planning ahead, gotta feed all the hungry, see!

No worries...your government at work.

Live long and prosper.

353 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:31:31pm

re: #338 Killgore Trout

For those interested in economics and personal finance: Bob Brinker is on.

Thanks for the info on that. He's on KNUS here in CO - which has a weak signal in Boulder.
(bummer - KNUS also has Dennis Miller, Dennis Prager, Hugh Hewitt)

354 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:31:32pm

re: #349 pingjockey

Don't wear your Chargers jersey!

ROTFLMAO...........Now that my friend is the understatement of the decade.....

355 yma o hyd  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:32:18pm

Gotta go, Lizards - that four-legged Madam has been trying to get me off my seat for some time now!

Seeya tomorrow, and, to speak with Churchill, KBO!

356 Son of the Black Dog  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:32:29pm

re: #343 debutaunt

If O is elected, he will be seen the same way.

Assuming an Obama presidency, does anyone want to take odds on how many days after Jan. 20th it will take for the Red Army to overrun the rest of Georgia? Say daybreak, local time, of the 21st?

357 odinga  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:32:30pm

re: #331 yma o hyd

Well, B0 did tell them to call him if they needed him ...
Pelosi et all are just planning ahead, gotta feed all the hungry, see!

It is a total psy-op tactic. They are freaking over ACORN and Ayers. They are trying to change the subject. Promising hand-outs preemptive to the election.

There is true fear and doubt about Obama and they are trying to act like it is a done deal. Nice try moonbats.

358 pingjockey  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:33:26pm

re: #354 doriangrey
I had Charger season tickets from 90' to 93' and the most trouble at the Murph was when the Raiduhs came to town. Mass hysteria and fights in the end zone seats!

359 Strike Hornet  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:34:15pm

re: #92 Nevergiveup

Is it illegal to piss on a Star?

Tim Robbins gets star of Hollywood Walk of Fame

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

Don't worry...the homeless that Acorn registers to vote for The One in LA will be thrown back on the street by Acorn when they are finished using them and they will go back to pissing on the street as usual...I'm sure Robbin's "Star" will be "hit"...

360 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:34:59pm

re: #358 pingjockey

I had Charger season tickets from 90' to 93' and the most trouble at the Murph was when the Raiduhs came to town. Mass hysteria and fights in the end zone seats!

Yup, and it aint changed much since then. Us San Diego folks aren't exactly welcome in Oakland....

361 jorline  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:35:03pm

re: #355 yma o hyd

Gotta go, Lizards - that four-legged Madam has been trying to get me off my seat for some time now!

Seeya tomorrow, and, to speak with Churchill, KBO!

See you tomorrow...be safe.

362 Bobibutu  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:35:23pm

re: #333 doriangrey

Ghaw.... A plague of pestilence on you evil NorCal Lizards.......... Just kidding, I'm obviously disappointed that I wont be able to travel that far to attend... ;P

If we do it here again - maybe next summer? Others might be able to plan on something else as well in the Bay Area and make it here. It is a very cool place to have a private gathering and very inexpensive.

363 pingjockey  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:35:51pm

re: #360 doriangrey
Not only no, but HELL NO!

364 Archimedes  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:36:52pm

Okay, another point! :D

I think we should all keep in mind how the msm continually evades any negative evidence concerning Obama and conversely how they magnify the slightest bit of negative evidence concerning McCain or Palin. This goes on day-after-day, week-after-week, month-after-month. They even create things out of whole cloth (e.g. the charge or racism against Palin).

This sort of behavior creates pent up frustration, which has to explode. This is only natural and it's quite right to be outraged. What the msm then does is pretend to be shocked that anyone is outraged, and they turn themselves and their favorite candidate into the victims. Conversely, they believe vilifying Palin and McCain is just dandy. I mean, they really are good at smearing innocent people.

The solution to all of this is to do honest and objective reporting. We know that won’t happen in this day and age, so we have to keep on fighting them, and not back down because of their underhanded tactics.

What keeps me on track are the following:

1> I always follow reason. I apply logic and look at the evidence always.
2> Individual rights is my standard for proper government. I use that template all the time to evaluate the goodness or badness of a government policy.

If people did these things, they wouldn’t be bothered by the media’s craziness, in that they wouldn’t back down from a principled fight. They’d fight with more determination. In addition, if a mistake is made concerning the evidence or logic you make sure you correct it, so that you’re always just in your claims, because you want to be right, and you want a clear conscience.

Just some thoughts I thought I'd pass on.

365 pingjockey  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:37:02pm

Nap time. Fighting a damn head cold. BBL.

366 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:37:06pm

re: #212 yma o hyd

In the early days of thermonuclear weapons, when they could not be made very small, it was thought to make them very very large instead, and detonate them in a port. A whole ship would be the bomb. This was called "the gigaton mine".

I'm just saying.

367 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:37:15pm

re: #362 Bobibutu

If we do it here again - maybe next summer? Others might be able to plan on something else as well in the Bay Area and make it here. It is a very cool place to have a private gathering and very inexpensive.

It sounds like it's going to be a great gathering. Rawmuse has pointed out that southwestern flights are relatively inexpensive, I'll be looking into that and thinking about it.

368 Colonel Panik  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:37:17pm

re: #92 Nevergiveup

Is it illegal to piss on a Star?

Tim Robbins gets star of Hollywood Walk of Fame

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

"And the corporations are there in their corporation buildings, and they're all corporation-y, and they make money. Mmmmhmmm."

One of my favorite Hollywood moonbat moments from "Team America".

369 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:40:03pm

re: #340 Lively

My sister is union and she has never voted for a Republican. She said there is no way she's voting for the O.

I just received an e-mail from my pacifist candy-ass union president who was asking for the telephone bank volunteers (for gee, guess which candidate). I don't get involved in these things because of the hate mail it generates from colleagues (yes at a college), but responded to the e-mail with a very short comment: "sure, and when I call, I'll tell them to vote for another candidate."
Well, did I get an earful. Some democracy. I'm sure that I'm not alone ,but boy, unions can certainly misrepresent their members and try intimidation if they don't go along.

370 arethusa  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:40:27pm

Just got this email from the Turn MN Red group, but it applies to any state:

1. WRITE A LETTER TO THE EDITOR. Support John McCain and Sarah Palin or your local MN House and U.S. Congress candidates. Then post your letter on the discussion board to share it with us!
[Link: www.gop.com...]

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Make phone calls from a phone bank to people in your area who share your values and concerns. Go door-knocking to hand out materials and share your values and concerns with your neighbors. Drop literature or post flyers around your neighborhood. Fundraise to support candidates
[Link: www.mngop.com...]

3. GET CREATIVE. Make your own "Why I'm voting for McCain/Palin" video! Post it on YouTube, then use the "Posted Items" area at the bottom of the group's page to share it with our group!

4. SIGN UP FOR GOP MOBILE UPDATES.
Get breaking news messages and action alerts!
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**Also, don't forget to set aside some time to volunteer during the 72-hour Get Out The Vote (GOTV) drive before and on Election Day! We'll need POLL WATCHERS (to work to prevent voter fraud!), phone callers, lit droppers, sign wavers, etc.**

371 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:43:14pm

re: #368 Colonel Panik

"And the corporations are there in their corporation buildings, and they're all corporation-y, and they make money. Mmmmhmmm."

One of my favorite Hollywood moonbat moments from "Team America".

"When you p i s s upon a star..." (sorry)

372 Bobibutu  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:44:30pm

re: #367 doriangrey

It sounds like it's going to be a great gathering. Rawmuse has pointed out that southwestern flights are relatively inexpensive, I'll be looking into that and thinking about it.

So far the prize for furthest traveled and out of state goes to a lady Lizard driving over from Reno.

373 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:46:17pm

Peeps! Just a reminder - if you haven't already done so - grab a friend and go see "An American Carol".
If you liked Team America - you'll like this movie.

It's #15 at the box office.
Help give it a boost!
[Link: boxofficemojo.com...]

374 Shay4l  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:46:29pm

re: #314 Son of the Black Dog

The Chicago machine delivered massive numbers of dead voters for the Dem ticket. And the rural counties in south Texas did their part for "Landslide Lyndon", by coming up with more Dem voters than they had residents. Either state would have carried the election for Nixon. President Eisenhower wanted Nixon to contest the election, on the basis that JFK/LBJ had won through fraud, but Nixon declined because he didn't want to put the country through something so divisive. No good deed goes unpunished.


JFK got his term shortened unnaturally, and Nixon got Watergated. I guess they both did not do well.

375 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:47:20pm

re: #365 pingjockey

Nap time. Fighting a damn head cold. BBL.

Make sure to take some Zicam. That stuff is great!

376 katemaclaren  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:48:00pm

re: #373 FrogMarch

Peeps! Just a reminder - if you haven't already done so - grab a friend and go see "An American Carol".
If you liked Team America - you'll like this movie.

It's #15 at the box office.
Help give it a boost!
[Link: boxofficemojo.com...]

I did. Saw it the first night. I did it for my country. The movie is not good. However, I wanted to make sure that Maher's movie didn't beat it out. I may go back to see it this weekend, too--or at least buy tickets--then sneak into the Russell Crowe film.

377 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:48:37pm

re: #351 doriangrey

Since the government can not take from me something that I do not have I am going to have to get a gun so that they can try to take it from me.

I figure - better have one in case we have some sort of a civil war. We might have to face down the brown shirts.

378 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:49:05pm

re: #372 Bobibutu

So far the prize for furthest traveled and out of state goes to a lady Lizard driving over from Reno.

Well airfare is looking like about $225, so I will be checking my finances and thinking about it.

379 runrabbitrun  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:49:47pm

re: #357 odinga

It is a total psy-op tactic. They are freaking over ACORN and Ayers. They are trying to change the subject. Promising hand-outs preemptive to the election.

There is true fear and doubt about Obama and they are trying to act like it is a done deal. Nice try moonbats.

Dems are betting around half of the strategic farm on psyops tactics and a friendly MSM, about the only way you could possibly get such a far left candidate within a mile of the Oval office.

Despite our horror at the lack of McCain aggressivity, the best setup for a Republican win this year involves a conservative electorate energized through fear of an Obama win (to get the highest turnout of the base to the polls), an independent voter force completely UNAFRAID of the Republican party's candidate being a stealth far-right activist, a high margin of victory seeming guaranteed to Obama (to de-motivate newly registered, unreliable Dem youth & inner city voters on election day), and a candidate who seems the saner, more moderate, and safer of the two.

Don't give up for a moment lizard empire!

380 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:50:29pm

re: #375 FrogMarch

Make sure to take some Zicam. That stuff is great!

Absolutely I totally agree. I use it whenever I get a cold, or even think I might be getting one.

381 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:50:56pm

re: #376 katemaclaren

I actually thought it was funny. The slapstick was a little tired, but the movie touched on all the anti-war left's hypocrisy and historical blindness.

382 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:51:53pm

re: #381 FrogMarch

I actually thought it was funny. The slapstick was a little tired, but the movie touched on all the anti-war left's hypocrisy and historical blindness.

How could watching people slap Micheal Moore around possibly ever get old?

383 Son of the Black Dog  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:52:04pm

re: #374 Shay4l

JFK got his term shortened unnaturally, and Nixon got Watergated. I guess they both did not do well.

Yeah, but JFK begat LBJ,
LBJ begat the Vietnam War,
the Vietnam War begat the 1960's,
the 1960's begat radical students,
radical students begat Wm. Ayers,
Wm. Ayers begat Obama,
and now we all may be screwed again.

384 El Lizardo mejicano  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:52:58pm

This is irrefutable proof that McCain was trying to put a stop to the mortgage meltdown, this letter needs to be everywhere, how can obamba dispute it?

Maybe McCain should bring a copy to the next debate and pass a copy to everyone present, including obamba and the bias moderator.


[Link: www.humanevents.com...]

Sen. John McCain's 2006 demand for regulatory action on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac could have prevented current financial crisis.

McCain's letter -- signed by nineteen other senators -- said that it was "...vitally important that Congress take the necessary steps to ensure that [Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac]...operate in a safe and sound manner.[and]..More importantly, Congress must ensure that the American taxpayer is protected in the event that either...should fail."

Sen. Obama did not sign the letter, nor did any other Democrat.

385 right_on_target  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:54:17pm

re: #241 ploome hineni

she became almost incoherent very quickly, seemed to forget what she was saying.maybe she was senile


__________________________________
She probably forgot her lines. Remember, she didn't have a teleprompter like her idol, Obama.

386 Intrepid  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 1:54:31pm

Afternoon, peeps! I watched a great old movie today - "White Zombie", starring Bela Lugosi and some other not so famous folks. It was filmed in '32, and it would have made a great MST3K piece.

Bela Lugosi's eye brows looked like a 3 inch strip of electricians' tape right at the bottom of his forehead. And lots of eye shots!

387 Bobibutu  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:00:14pm

re: #378 doriangrey

Well airfare is looking like about $225, so I will be checking my finances and thinking about it.

BART runs from both SFO and OAK to Walnut Creek. Easy shuttle from WC BART to the event site.

388 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:01:19pm

re: #382 doriangrey

How could watching people slap Micheal Moore around possibly ever get old?

That's true. Bill Reilly got in a good one in a port-o-potty.

389 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:01:52pm

re: #387 Bobibutu

BART runs from both SFO and OAK to Walnut Creek. Easy shuttle from WC BART to the event site.

Cool........

390 Outrider  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:03:18pm

re: #293 Kosh's Shadow

If they didn't open a container, but still got sick, then the ship is very hot, or at least part of it. Maybe the bad containers are in the bow, with several rows of ones filled with leaded concrete to shield the crew. In any case, it would be enough to detect from submarines, UAVs, helicopters, etc.

That aspect has always been a point of curiosity for me. None of the crew got sick or died, but several pirates did. None of the containers were opened; so why did the pirates get sick and die? Perhaps there was an area of the ship "off limits" to the crew?

391 Shay4l  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:03:49pm

re: #383 Son of the Black Dog

Yeah, but JFK begat LBJ,
LBJ begat the Vietnam War,
the Vietnam War begat the 1960's,
the 1960's begat radical students,
radical students begat Wm. Ayers,
Wm. Ayers begat Obama,
and now we all may be screwed again.

Viet Nam and the 60s begat a lot of badness. I don't think we can lay it at the feet of JFK and Nixon, though. It was the whole WWI, WWII boomer generation chain of events that got us here. In other words, it's Europe's fault.

Heh!

392 spidly  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:04:08pm

re: #377 FrogMarch

I figure - better have one in case we have some sort of a civil war. We might have to face down the brown shirts.

Oh c'mon, the long slouch is ending and we are finally throwing off the remnants of the shackles of; individualist, limited government, republican, free market capitalistic - type of fascism
and
embracing the freedom of; unified authoritarian socialist, "hate" speech censoring, government direction of private capital - type of fascism

why would we have a civil war?

393 Ledger1  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:07:03pm

For a little humor Iowahawk explains the financial crisis:

[Iowahawk]

Roots of a Crisis

...[Jim] Treacher requested a loan for the purchase of a pornographic DVD, explaining that he was temporarily short of cash and had various biological-related needs. At various times in my life I have been pornless, so I was naturally sympathetic to his plight... After writing out a loan contract specifying my customary interest rate of 8.5% per hour, I handed him a crisp $20 bill and we shook hands on the deal. Luckily, I always carry a bottle of Purell.

The next day I telephoned Mr. Treacher to inquire about the status of his loan and a review of the DVD, but there was no answer. By then his principle had grown to $153.74... on the afternoon of October 3 and checked the debt calculator... Mr. Treacher's debt had by then increased to $243,768,526, and I knew it would be difficult for him to make payments even if he threw in the trailer and his storage shed.

Monday October 6 we decided to call House Speaker Nancy Pelosi... she said that Mr. Treacher's $73 billion debt was probably too small to warrant a government bailout, especially with our spotty record of campaign contributions... we have spent the last week contacting various state and federal officials, the EU central bank, George Soros, and Goldman Sachs on the cell phone we found in Speaker Pelosi's office. Unfortunately the only result has been thousands of dollars of roaming charges for Mrs. Pelosi...

For the rest read Iowahawk's financial solution

394 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:07:20pm

re: #390 Outrider

That aspect has always been a point of curiosity for me. None of the crew got sick or died, but several pirates did. None of the containers were opened; so why did the pirates get sick and die? Perhaps there was an area of the ship "off limits" to the crew?

That's what I said when this first broke. The crew knew which areas were safe and which were not.

395 Outrider  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:07:51pm

re: #312 Killgore Trout

Maybe Zombie could cover it and still remain anonymous. Wouldn't that be a feat?

Truly a feat. Pretty much a guarantee she would show up in someones photo taking a photo which would be reconciled. Although nothing saying she would not show up sans camera.

396 odinga  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:08:31pm

So Obama yells "Argue with them and get in their face" up on the podium but the MSM accuses the McCain camp of inciting meanness when some random moron in the audience says something they don't like.

The Obama comment was direct from the horses mouth and yet the MSM don't count that as a direct command to incite tension, disunity, argumentativeness. The situation is twisted and asymmetric just like the MSM.

397 spidly  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:08:52pm

re: #384 El Lizardo mejicano

This is irrefutable proof that McCain was trying to put a stop to the mortgage meltdown, this letter needs to be everywhere, how can obamba dispute it?

Maybe McCain should bring a copy to the next debate and pass a copy to everyone present, including obamba and the bias moderator.


[Link: www.humanevents.com...]

Sen. John McCain's 2006 demand for regulatory action on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac could have prevented current financial crisis.

McCain's letter -- signed by nineteen other senators -- said that it was "...vitally important that Congress take the necessary steps to ensure that [Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac]...operate in a safe and sound manner.[and]..More importantly, Congress must ensure that the American taxpayer is protected in the event that either...should fail."

Sen. Obama did not sign the letter, nor did any other Democrat.

who the hell knows why McCain campaign isn't shouting the truth about the subprime scandal from the rooftops and calling out Obama, Dodd, Frank, etc.. for their complicity. If Alec Baldwin can grasp what happened then you'd think the rest of the american public could if told.

398 odinga  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:09:07pm

Identity Theft Felons work for ACORN. FACT

399 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:09:17pm

re: #395 Outrider

Truly a feat. Pretty much a guarantee she would show up in someones photo taking a photo which would be reconciled. Although nothing saying she would not show up sans camera.

Heh heh heh you are assuming that Zombie is a woman....

400 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:09:39pm

re: #392 spidly

So what you're saying is - the democrats are going to legislate our happiness with food stamps, welfare checks, high taxes, and an end to free speech.

401 right_on_target  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:10:48pm

re: #274 Outrider

Don't know. What was the take when President Clinton "fired" 93 attorneys, then later "fired" another 30. The response was-they served at his pleasure-.

I'm assuming it was merely coincidental many of them were investing him at the time. ;-)>

________________________________
That's another reason why I don't want an Obama win. He'll fire a lot of attorneys and one of them will probably be canned here in Louisiana [Jim Letton]. "Dollar Bill" Jefferson will then walk away free when the new administration drops charges because of a new found "technicality".

402 Outrider  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:11:53pm

re: #331 yma o hyd

Well, B0 did tell them to call him if they needed him ...
Pelosi et all are just planning ahead, gotta feed all the hungry, see!

Talk about buyers regret kicking in before the car got out of the sales lot. ;-)>

403 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:12:23pm

REZKO SINGING: OBAMA SWEATING?

Even if Rezko doesn't sing about Obama - consider the mob swamp that Obama emerged from.

ew.

404 debutaunt  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:13:11pm

re: #395 Outrider

Truly a feat. Pretty much a guarantee she would show up in someones photo taking a photo which would be reconciled. Although nothing saying she would not show up sans camera.

Everyone will have a camera and look faintly zombielike.

405 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:13:44pm

re: #72 gregg

I think this was mentioned on a previous thread, but here's Huckabee talking about Economic Terrorism.

gregg -

I have been seeing the same pattern. Methinks former Gov. Huckabee missed one thing in his analysis - the "where" which is also to say the "who" of these late downward trades. Can I prove it? No. Can I feel it - damnbetcha!

-S-

406 spidly  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:14:13pm
407 spidly  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:14:23pm

finally!

408 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:14:46pm

re: #394 Kosh's Shadow

That's what I said when this first broke. The crew knew which areas were safe and which were not.

Lotsa' Iranians in the crew if I recollect correctly. Eleven?

409 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:15:59pm

Is anyone else having problems running youtube videos today?

I can't get em to go.

410 RedWhiteAndJew  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:16:06pm

Just one more example of the festering Antisemitic burre blanc bubbling just below the top crust of the liberal pot pie:

I was in Yellow Springs this morning (Yellow Springs: Dayton, Ohio's little Bezerkly; home of the thankfully defunct Antioch College of hemp basket weaving and the Weathermen Fan Club) on business, and found myself in the middle of a street fair. I waded through, knee-deep in hippies, wearing a "Shalom Ya'll" tee-shirt, as is my wont. A fellow, dressed head to toe in black, pointed at my shirt and snidely questioned how one wishes shalom in Kentucky. I've run into this passive-aggressive pattern before, when a lefty tries to start an argument by asking a question in a cocky and belligerent fashion. That way, in their minds at least, since it was only a question, they are not the aggressor.

I replied that it's just a way of spreading the shalom to as many as possible, trying to be a benign and as personable as I could. He replied by wishing me "Assalaamu 'Aleykum." Now, this guy is not arab, and he spoke with no accent I could perceive. It is extremely unlikely he's a native arab speaker, yet he chose to respond to my benediction not with a reciprocal "shalom," or even the more likely "peace," complete with hippie hand guesture. No, he chose the language spoken by those who would like to wipe every last Jew off the map of the middle east, and enslave the rest under dhimmihood, or the language not spoken by the vast sea of moderate Muslims who refuse to speak out against the butchery of their coreligionist.

Or maybe I'm just being a bit too touchy...

Not.

411 gop_patriot  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:16:14pm

Today I met and talked to an employee at a store where I was shopping. She was African American and we got into a little conversation about a t-shirt that somehow morphed into her mentioning how she was voting for Obama, saying also that "I just can't stand how McCain talks in his speeches" or something to that effect. Anyway, we had a very nice conversation, I was interested to hear her perspective on the whole situation and how race was a too-large part of this election.

She mentioned that she was originally a Hillary supporter and was not pleased that Hillary had been thrown over for Obama. I told her about the PUMA groups and how there were millions of very pissed off women who were astonished and angry about a man with no experience being chosen over Hillary, etc. She'd not heard of PUMA but seemed delighted by the idea, and I told her to go online and look them up.

We also discussed Ayers; I mentioned that Ayers, the man who helped launch Obama's career in his very own living room was on the cover of Time Magazine on 9/11 standing on the American flag. She didn't know about that, and the look on her face was one of genuine surprise and disgust. Her family was military, and I would assume pretty patriotic. I laughed when she told me that her mother doesn't like Michelle Obama, and one reason is that she thinks her clothes look homemade, and she should know better than to look like that when her husband is running for President. lol

I'd love to believe that she would vote McCain over Obama, but I don't think she will; hopefully I gave her some things to think about.

412 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:16:31pm

re: #408 MandyManners

Lotsa' Iranians in the crew if I recollect correctly. Eleven?

I don't remember the number, but yes, there were. A larger crew than usual, and more Iranians; most cargo ships have mostly third-world or near to it crew.

413 Outrider  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:16:32pm

re: #369 katemaclaren

I just received an e-mail from my pacifist candy-ass union president who was asking for the telephone bank volunteers (for gee, guess which candidate). I don't get involved in these things because of the hate mail it generates from colleagues (yes at a college), but responded to the e-mail with a very short comment: "sure, and when I call, I'll tell them to vote for another candidate."
Well, did I get an earful. Some democracy. I'm sure that I'm not alone ,but boy, unions can certainly misrepre>

And all with dues the union members kick in, irregardless of their political beliefs or desires.

414 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:17:53pm

re: #408 MandyManners

Lotsa' Iranians in the crew if I recollect correctly. Eleven?

14 according to this report...

The MV Iran Deyanat departed Nanjing, China, July 28, and, according to its manifest, planned to sail to Rotterdam, where it would offload 42,500 tons of iron ore and "industrial products" purchased by an unidentified “ German client”. The ship has a crew of 29 men, including a Pakistani captain, an Iranian engineer, 13 other Iranians, 3 Indians, 2 Filipinos, and 10 Eastern Europeans, stated to be Albanians
415 Dar ul Harbarian  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:18:34pm

re: #406 spidly

NEW GOP AD - Barack Obama and ACORN

GOOD!

It is about time.

416 neocon hippie  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:20:14pm

re: #415 Dar ul Harbarian

I hope the swing states are bombarded with this ad.

417 Chotii  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:21:06pm

Yesterday I was telling my kids about the Geneva Conventions, and how the US signed onto them as a nation, but some other nations didn't, and so we're not playing by the same rules.

Today I had an epiphany:

McCain is trying to run his campaign by some sort of political Geneva Conventions. The Dems are not. When it gets to down and dirty fighting, the honorable guy loses, all too often.

418 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:21:53pm

re: #406 spidly

NEW GOP AD - Barack Obama and ACORN

I love the content but, I am not sure at all about the presentation. Too jittery. It distracts from the message.

419 Outrider  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:21:55pm

re: #399 doriangrey

Heh heh heh you are assuming that Zombie is a woman....

Well, I saw one of her photos that reflected a female taking a photo, but as it has been pointed out before, that could have been a "deception plan" on Zombies part by using some other photographers photo. ;-)>

420 Perry  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:23:01pm

re: #417 Chotii

Great analogy.

421 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:23:23pm

Gotta' start marinating my chicken in a lime concoction. bbl

422 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:23:43pm

re: #410 RedWhiteAndJew

Just one more example of the festering Antisemitic burre blanc bubbling just below the top crust of the liberal pot pie:

volumes could be written on the subject of passive aggressive left-wing Jew-hatred...bubbling just below the surface.

423 spidly  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:24:49pm

re: #415 Dar ul Harbarian

GOOD!

It is about time.

now they better get out some ads targeting the democrat house and senate over the housing meltdown. and they should use the "political lynching" clip to show the racist charge is wantonly thrown around by these pukes

424 Outrider  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:25:33pm

re: #413 Outrider

Have no idea why my response kicked off part of the quote and left off the rest of it as well as my response.

?

425 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:26:02pm

re: #418 MandyManners

I love the content but, I am not sure at all about the presentation. Too jittery. It distracts from the message.

I kinda like it. Made for the short attention span folks out there... you know... undecideds.

426 spidly  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:26:16pm

re: #418 MandyManners

I love the content but, I am not sure at all about the presentation. Too jittery. It distracts from the message.

the MSM headline about this ad:
McCain ad causes seizures

427 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:27:19pm

re: #424 Outrider

Have no idea why my response kicked off part of the quote and left off the rest of it as well as my response.

?


When things get weird, reload.

— Stinky Beaumont

428 runrabbitrun  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:27:40pm

re: #406 spidly

NEW GOP AD - Barack Obama and ACORN

ooooh, that's a good one, thanks! Just wish that they could have had better evidence in their visuals rather than smashed piggy banks. If only they might have shown some video footage of Acorn's marauding goon squads, plus video testimony from the kind of hapless simpleton Acorn preys on, and pays off. But truth in advertising like that would be defined as raaaaaacciiiiiiist.

429 gop_patriot  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:28:06pm

re: #406 spidly

NEW GOP AD - Barack Obama and ACORN

Whoa! I love the ending to this ad:

Bad Judgment and Blind Ambition, too risky for America.

Awesome, I love it.

430 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:28:53pm

re: #411 gop_patriot

Awesome! Keep in mind that not all PUMAs are women, though.

431 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:29:13pm

re: #414 doriangrey

Just a couple of drive-by posts as I am busy with household projects today. An interesting article I found about the Indian crew members. This article said the ship was hijacked in the Red Sea:

[Link: www.rediff.com...]

432 CapeCoddah  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:29:32pm

Anyone see this yet? US removes NorthKorea from terrorism list.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,436382,00.html

433 El Lizardo mejicano  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:29:46pm

re: #397 spidly

who the hell knows why McCain campaign isn't shouting the truth about the subprime scandal from the rooftops and calling out Obama, Dodd, Frank, etc.. for their complicity. If Alec Baldwin can grasp what happened then you'd think the rest of the american public could if told.

If I was working on McCain's campaign team, I will be suggesting to send a copy of this letter to every single person in America, people need to be presented with the TRUTH, since we can't count on the MSM.

WHAT ARE THEY WAITING FOR?

434 godfrey  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:29:51pm

Any lizard who likes jaw-dropping guitar on a minor blues should check this out. Simply incredible, wonderful.

435 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:30:04pm

re: #426 spidly

the MSM headline about this ad:
McCain ad causes seizures

At least it's not a blipvert.
/M-m-max H-h-headroom mode off

436 gregg  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:30:58pm

re: #405 Dr. Shalit

gregg -

I have been seeing the same pattern. Methinks former Gov. Huckabee missed one thing in his analysis - the "where" which is also to say the "who" of these late downward trades. Can I prove it? No. Can I feel it - damnbetcha!

-S-

I realize it's a 1 in a million shot, but if Soros or someone like him is manipulating the market and they can prove it, there's your October surprise. How would people feel about Obama if one his supporters caused their portfolios to dropped 40-50% so he could win the election? I know it's not realistic, but I can dream, can't I?

437 CapeCoddah  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:31:05pm

sorry about that, bit computer challenged. I hate links. North Korea:
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

438 RedWhiteAndJew  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:31:17pm
Awesome! Keep in mind that not all PUMAs are women, though.

PUMAs...Cougars...what's the diff?

/I'm kidding...I'm a kidder

439 Odinga  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:31:45pm

FRANK RICH: Fire stoked by McCain/Palin raging out of control...
MAUREEN DOWD: McCain/Palin rouse the mob against Obama...

And yet it was Obama who said "argue with them, get in their face".

Well we need and angry mob against Obama, what is wrong with that? Isn't Code Pink and ACORN and MoveOn angry mobs. How about the million man march, angry mob?

It is called free speech. Frank Rich and Down are angry shills trying to neuter the rising tide against ACORN and Obama.

I can't wait till the MSM becomes extinct.

440 Outrider  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:31:46pm

re: #369 katemaclaren

I just received an e-mail from my pacifist candy-ass union president who was asking for the telephone bank volunteers (for gee, guess which candidate). I don't get involved in these things because of the hate mail it generates from colleagues (yes at a college), but responded to the e-mail with a very short comment: "sure, and when I call, I'll tell them to vote for another candidate."
Well, did I get an earful. Some democracy. I'm sure that I'm not alone ,but boy, unions can certainly misrepresent their members and try intimidation if they don't go along.

My objection is the unions are using union dues. Dues which are collected from people that usually have no choice but to be union members and pay the dues irregardless of their political affiliation or their opinions on how they are going to vote.

441 Tigger2005  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:32:37pm

re: #417 Chotii

Yesterday I was telling my kids about the Geneva Conventions, and how the US signed onto them as a nation, but some other nations didn't, and so we're not playing by the same rules.

And we're not even required to play by the Geneva rules if the other guys don't. It's supposed to be a "we won't fight dirty if you won't" thing.

442 opnion  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:33:02pm

re: #406 spidly

NEW GOP AD - Barack Obama and ACORN

Good ad it makes you wonder who is now & has been behind Obama from the jump. He immerses himself in Black Rage authors while in High School & befriends Marxist poet Frank Marshall Davis.
A substandard high School student gets an academic scholarship to Occidental College in California on to study in New York on way to President of Harvard Law Review , submitting no articles.
The Kicker, he gets paid to write two BIOS , without a Bio & fast tracked to the cusp of the presidency. He did not do this on his own

443 Bobibutu  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:33:49pm

re: #432 CapeCoddah

Anyone see this yet? US removes NorthKorea from terrorism list.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,4363 82,00.html

Yeah ... And I sure hope the folks who OK'ed this know a hell of a lot more than I do about NKorea.

On of those things that make ya go, WTF?

444 Shay4l  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:33:56pm

re: #427 wrenchwench

re: #427 wrenchwench

When things get weird, reload.

— Stinky Beaumont

When the firefight slows down, reload. Until then, keep pulling the trigger and the magic bullets will keep coming out.
-Action Films

445 CapeCoddah  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:34:13pm

re: #443 Bobibutu

Yeah ... And I sure hope the folks who OK'ed this know a hell of a lot more than I do about NKorea.

On of those things that make ya go, WTF?

My sentiments!

446 wolfie  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:34:33pm

As someone born and raised in a third world country, I have never taken the basic fairness and decency of the American system for granted. It is exceptional.

Give Obama and the radical Democrats (in Congres and the courts) 4 years and the ACORN cancer will grow exponentially.

Welcome to the third world, America.

447 abolitionist  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:34:40pm

re: #267 Bobibutu

The reporting on this story is incredibly inconsistent. Or maybe just incredible.

From your link,

The pirates on Friday freed 29 Iranian seamen and their cargo ship, Iran Dianat, that was hijacked in July.

From an earlier story:

On August 21st, 2008, the MV Iran Deyant, 44,458 dead weight bulk carrier was heading towards the Suez Canal. As it was passing the Horn of Africa, about 80 miles southeast of al-Makalla in Yemen, the ship was surrounded by speedboats filled with members of a gang of Somalia pirates who grab suitable commercial ships and hold them,, and their cargos More.. and crews for ransom. The captain was defenseless ...
[snip]

The MV Iran Deyanat departed Nanjing, China, July 28, and, according to its manifest, planned to sail to Rotterdam, where it would offload 42,500 tons of iron ore and "industrial products" purchased by an unidentified “ German client”. The ship has a crew of 29 men, including a Pakistani captain, an Iranian engineer, 13 other Iranians, 3 Indians, 2 Filipinos, and 10 Eastern Europeans, stated to be Albanians.



[Link: www.tbrnews.org...]

When hijacked - discrepancy.
How many Iranians - discrepancy.

So where is it now going, I wonder?

448 Dar ul Harbarian  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:36:41pm

re: #430 Sharmuta

Awesome! Keep in mind that not all PUMAs are women, though.

Yes.

Don't confuse PUMAs with Cougars.

449 Colonel Panik  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:36:53pm

re: #432 CapeCoddah

Anyone see this yet? US removes NorthKorea from terrorism list.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,4363 82,00.html

Maybe out govt. knows something we don't. Like, Ronery Boy has croaked and a coalition of pragmatist generals that wants to slowly integrate with the South is running things behind the scenes.

We've gotten so used to bad news from there that good news would leave me absolutely gobsmacked.

450 Colonel Panik  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:38:06pm

re: #438 RedWhiteAndJew

PUMAs...Cougars...what's the diff?

/I'm kidding...I'm a kidder

LOL! You beat me to it.

451 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:38:06pm

re: #434 godfrey

Any lizard who likes jaw-dropping guitar on a minor blues should check this out. Simply incredible, wonderful.

The saxofoon is nice too.

Line up:

Bireli Lagrene (lead guitar)
Frank Wolf (saxofoon)
Hono Winterstein (rhythm guitar)
Diego Imbert (bass)

452 Tigger2005  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:39:26pm

re: #397 spidly

who the hell knows why McCain campaign isn't shouting the truth about the subprime scandal from the rooftops and calling out Obama, Dodd, Frank, etc.. for their complicity. If Alec Baldwin can grasp what happened then you'd think the rest of the american public could if told.

The day before the town hall debate, McCain gave an awesome speech in which he laid the blame for the crisis squarely on the Democrats & Obama. He laid it all out in detail, especially how Obama received piles of money from Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac, how he had crooked executives from FM & FM advising his campaign, and how Obama had helped block any legislation to reform the agencies.

453 El Lizardo mejicano  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:39:49pm

re: #439 Odinga

FRANK RICH: Fire stoked by McCain/Palin raging out of control...
MAUREEN DOWD: McCain/Palin rouse the mob against Obama...

And yet it was Obama who said "argue with them, get in their face".

Well we need and angry mob against Obama, what is wrong with that? Isn't Code Pink and ACORN and MoveOn angry mobs. How about the million man march, angry mob?

It is called free speech. Frank Rich and Down are angry shills trying to neuter the rising tide against ACORN and Obama.

I can't wait till the MSM becomes extinct.

em>

EVEN BETTER
[Link: blogs.wsj.com...]

Obama: ‘If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun’

That’s exactly what Barack Obama said he would do to counter Republican attacks “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said at a Philadelphia fundraiser Friday night. “Because from what I understand folks in Philly like a good brawl.

454 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:40:06pm

Weathermen issue prairie fire alert, blustery, acorns falling, rain likely, sunshine breaking November 5..

455 Bobibutu  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:40:11pm

re: #447 abolitionist

The reporting on this story is incredibly inconsistent. Or maybe just incredible.
...
When hijacked - discrepancy.
How many Iranians - discrepancy.

So where is it now going, I wonder?

I don't think anyone in the MSM knows what reality is.

456 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:40:48pm

re: #436 gregg

I realize it's a 1 in a million shot, but if Soros or someone like him is manipulating the market and they can prove it, there's your October surprise. How would people feel about Obama if one his supporters caused their portfolios to dropped 40-50% so he could win the election? I know it's not realistic, but I can dream, can't I?

Proving it is the rub. I, and plenty of others, see this as being dead on true.

We need a smoking gun. And I don't think Soros made the mistake of allowing one. :-(

457 gop_patriot  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:42:22pm

re: #430 Sharmuta

True, good point.

I was just happy to have a pleasant, non-confrontational (we were in a department store, so that helped) conversation about politics with someone who is currently an Obama supporter.

458 spidly  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:42:40pm

in other news. Howard Stern (who I really don't like) has finally come to the conclusion that Democrats are thugs

also funny
howard stern why are you voting obama interviews in harlem

459 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:42:44pm

I posted this in the links and I'll post it here also-

Jack Bauer is back!

460 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:43:35pm

re: #414 doriangrey

Dorian -

Sounds like the "German Client" might have a name like Mohammed.

-S-

461 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:43:36pm

re: #442 opnion

Who sent Obama?

462 So?  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:43:39pm

re: #5 El Lizardo mejicano

Just follow the money

You can say the same for the Wall Street financial meltdown.

463 abolitionist  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:43:43pm

re: #455 Bobibutu

I don't think anyone in the MSM knows what reality is.

I noted in an earlier thread some similarity of this story to a work of fiction that was published in Feb.

464 Wishing  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:47:08pm

Brian Moller says ACORN has its own quality control, has fired workers in the past, including workers in Gary. Despite its past, the Obama campaign gave $800,000 to ACORN to help fund its primary registration drive, and ACORN has endorsed Barack Obama for president. The Obama campaign reacted this afternoon, saying, it is "committed to protecting the integrity of the voting process and said it has not worked with ACORN during the general election."

You can bet your butt that ACORN was there en masse for the convention tho

465 Wishing  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:47:53pm

re: #406 spidly

NEW GOP AD - Barack Obama and ACORN

Now this is a kick-ass/take no hostages ad...
WAY TO GO JOHN!

466 debutaunt  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:48:00pm

re: #451 wrenchwench

He was amazing as a child guitarist.

467 So?  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:48:52pm

You can say this and say that about Obama, but guess what? He's going to be the next president. You can thank McCain who is asleep at the wheel. He doesn't even to seem to want to win. And where are his fellow republicans, Mitt Romney, etc. etc. Not a peep of support for McCain. They're all in hiding counting their money.

I think this is the saddest election in US history.

468 opnion  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:49:44pm

re: #461 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Who sent Obama?


I think that someone had to be grooming him from the jump.
Things just seem to go his way, opponents disqualified & withdrawn due to the apperance of divorce papers etc.
He catches every break.

469 Maximu§  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:50:31pm

re: #443 Bobibutu

Yeah ... And I sure hope the folks who OK'ed this know a hell of a lot more than I do about NKorea.

On of those things that make ya go, WTF?

WTF happened to that tough talking Cowboy we elected?

470 So?  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:50:44pm

re: #466 debutaunt

He was amazing as a child guitarist.

Are you talkin about Shuggie Otis?

Damn I used to have a CD by him playing blues when he was only 14.
Moral: don't ever lend out the good stuff to friends.

Damn, I don't even remember what the album was.

471 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:51:27pm

re: #467 So?

With a NIC like that, do we even need to ask?

472 Maximu§  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:51:32pm

re: #467 So?

You can say this and say that about Obama, but guess what? He's going to be the next president. You can thank McCain who is asleep at the wheel. He doesn't even to seem to want to win. And where are his fellow republicans, Mitt Romney, etc. etc. Not a peep of support for McCain. They're all in hiding counting their money.

I think this is the saddest election in US history.

McCain has one Ace up his sleeve and thats the Christian vote.

473 Tigger2005  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:51:55pm

re: #469 Maximu§

WTF happened to that tough talking Cowboy we elected?

He was replaced by an android.

Either that, or the Saudis purchased his balls for $2 billion.

474 welshgirl  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:52:02pm

re: #33 MrSnuggles

This pie thing sounds titillating.
Here's a story about the pie story. Can't find a video clip. Anyone?

Really, now? I don't want to hear about waffles, stinky planes, see the candidate leaving with a bag of takeout, or what the hell kind of pie he's eating! STFU, Zero!

475 Wishing  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:52:54pm

re: #467 So?

You can say this and say that about Obama, but guess what? He's going to be the next president. You can thank McCain who is asleep at the wheel. He doesn't even to seem to want to win. And where are his fellow republicans, Mitt Romney, etc. etc. Not a peep of support for McCain. They're all in hiding counting their money.

I think this is the saddest election in US history.

you are so dead wrong..Mccain wins by a MUCH larger margin than anyone imagined

476 So?  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:52:55pm

re: #472 Maximu§

McCain has one Ace up his sleeve and thats the Christian vote.

Don't agree. It's over. Sorry to say. Just my humble opinion.

477 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:53:16pm

re: #472 Maximu§

McCain has one Ace up his sleeve and thats the Christian PUMA vote.

Seriously. The Hillary voters are the ones who will put us over the top.

478 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:53:24pm

Mob politics:

For the record, my inclusion of the Chicago political primer was so that the Obama-Rezko-Giannoulis connection could be seen in context. Why would Obama endorse a mob banker for State Treasurer, going against the expressed wishes of the leader of his party in the statehouse? The same reason Rezko approached the Broadway bank for a $13 million loan for his real estate projects. In Chicago, it’s not who you are but what you can do for me. The payoff for Obama was Giannoulis raising a ton of money for him in his presidential campaign. This was set up by Obama’s endorsement of Giannoulis for treasurer which in turn was set up by almost certainly a generous loan arrangement on Obama’s first townhome run through Broadway.

[Link: rightwingnuthouse.com...]

479 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:53:33pm

re: #476 So?

STFU

480 Tigger2005  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:53:35pm

re: #467 So?

You can say this and say that about Obama, but guess what? He's going to be the next president.

F*ck that. What are YOU doing to prevent it from happening?

481 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:53:55pm

re: #477 Sharmuta

Seriously. The Hillary voters are the ones who will put us over the top.

I hope there are more than 5000.

482 Wishing  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:53:56pm

re: #472 Maximu§

McCain has one Ace up his sleeve and thats the Christian vote.

Two aces, actually: Christian AND PUMAs

483 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:54:19pm

re: #481 FrogMarch

I hope there are more than 5000.

5-7 million, Baby- and they VOTE.

484 Tigger2005  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:54:22pm

re: #476 So?

Don't agree. It's over. Sorry to say. Just my humble opinion.

Another person I don't want in a foxhole with me. Go home and cower in your basement.

485 So?  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:54:45pm

re: #479 Sharmuta

STFU

What, you can't face reality? I can express my opinions just like you can. I don't get in your face, now do I?

486 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:54:49pm

The GOP desperately needs to rid itself of the seniority system it has in place for choosing candidates. The Democrats chose to abandon this model and instead picked the most viable candidate. Think about it.

487 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:55:26pm

re: #476 So?

Don't agree. It's over. Sorry to say. Just my humble opinion.

To which you're entitled, but I don't think an election is decided until, you know, the election.

488 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:55:53pm

re: #477 Sharmuta

Seriously. The Hillary voters are the ones who will put us over the top.

Including Hillary herself and Bill, lol.

489 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:55:53pm

re: #458 spidly

in other news. Howard Stern (who I really don't like) has finally come to the conclusion that Democrats are thugs

also funny
howard stern why are you voting obama interviews in harlem

wow.
money quote:

It is a great example of someone who believes in all of the liberal politicians who regualte every aspect of our lives until that regulation effects them. Then all of the sudden they realize why all of the Cuban and Vietnamese populations are majority Republican. This Democrat regulation sure seems a lot like socialsim or communism if you have experience either.
490 Wishing  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:56:02pm

re: #481 FrogMarch

I hope there are more than 5000.

tsk tsk FM...5-7 million of em..and they are PISSED
They would throw themselves in front of the bus to keep the Zero from the WH

491 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:56:03pm

re: #485 So?

I just think you don't know what you're talking about.

492 Maximu§  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:56:49pm

re: #476 So?

Don't agree. It's over. Sorry to say. Just my humble opinion.

Your entitled to your opinion.

493 spidly  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:56:52pm

re: #486 MrPaulRevere

The GOP desperately needs to rid itself of the seniority system it has in place for choosing candidates. The Democrats chose to abandon this model and instead picked the most viable candidate. Think about it.

Kerry most viable? He was just the last one standing out of a pack of losers and nutjobs

494 Bobibutu  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:57:08pm

re: #463 abolitionist

I noted in an earlier thread some similarity of this story to a work of fiction that was published in Feb.

Interesting find.

495 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:57:10pm

re: #459 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I posted this in the links and I'll post it here also-

Jack Bauer is back!

Is he going to drive his Pruis to capture the "standard white fascist" villains under the weak light of an Al Gore light?

496 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:57:20pm

re: #477 Sharmuta

I'm praying that you are correct.

497 neocon hippie  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:57:29pm

re: #483 Sharmuta

Where does 5-7M number come from? Is there any way to confirm that the numbers are that large? If it's really true, then McCain holds onto all of the red states and will flip PA, WI and maybe others.

498 Bobibutu  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:57:49pm

re: #469 Maximu§

WTF happened to that tough talking Cowboy we elected?

*sigh*

499 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:57:55pm

re: #496 MrPaulRevere

I'm praying that you are correct.

Thank you. However, I'm not praying that I'm correct, because I am correct. ;)

500 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:58:06pm

re: #493 spidly

You proved my point. Kerry was a product of the seniority system model.

501 El Lizardo mejicano  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:58:28pm

"OCTOBER SURPRISE"

[Link: www.babalublog.com...]

502 Tigger2005  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:58:38pm

re: #485 So?

What, you can't face reality? I can express my opinions just like you can. I don't get in your face, now do I?

You're facing "reality" as it appears to be, in the form of skewed polls and a full-court press by the MSM. You're buying into their reality, and you're helping to make it a self-fulfilling prophecy. How about putting yourself out there, your time, your money, and trying to make a difference, instead of encouraging everyone to give up?

503 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:58:49pm

re: #497 neocon hippie

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

504 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:59:15pm

re: #495 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Is he going to drive his Pruis to capture the "standard white fascist" villains under the weak light of an Al Gore light?

I' don't even think he can drive. Wasn't he arrested for DUI a year ago?

505 So?  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:59:17pm

re: #480 Tigger2005

F*ck that. What are YOU doing to prevent it from happening?

What are you doing Tigger?
Listen if McCain hasn't done his job by now, and he's had plenty of opportunity starting with Jeremiah Wright, then what can anybody do... unbelievable.

It seems you can't even express an opposing opinion on this site without being jumped on by all sides. This is my personal interpretation of events over the past months. I may be right. I may be wrong. Only time will tell.

506 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 2:59:27pm

re: #483 Sharmuta

5-7 million, Baby- and they VOTE.

If they come out and vote for McCain - I will kiss Hillary's butt from here into eternity. During the primaries I was alone in my distaste for her. Anyone who says openly "we are going to take things away from you for the common good" scares the hell out of me. But now, knowing what I know about mobster Obama - She can have the presidency in 2012. eeek. I can't believe I just said that.

507 Gang of One  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:00:06pm

re: #451 wrenchwench

Reminds me of Django. Sweet ...

508 So?  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:00:20pm

re: #492 Maximu§

Your entitled to your opinion.

Thanks!

509 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:00:41pm

re: #506 FrogMarch

They will come out and vote because they want Hillary in 2012. The only way they get that is McCain in 08.

510 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:00:54pm

re: #476 So?

Don't agree. It's over. Sorry to say. Just my humble opinion.

Nothing is over till we say it's over!

We win, even if we have to drag McCain kicking and screaming over the finish line. Too much will be lost--forever--if we fail.

511 opnion  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:01:08pm

re: #467 So?

You can say this and say that about Obama, but guess what? He's going to be the next president. You can thank McCain who is asleep at the wheel. He doesn't even to seem to want to win. And where are his fellow republicans, Mitt Romney, etc. etc. Not a peep of support for McCain. They're all in hiding counting their money.

I think this is the saddest election in US history.

I agree with you about McCain. He does not look like he is all in to win this.
However Romney has been campaigning for him. This is the guy that McCain lied about supporting Iraq time tables, just one week before the Fla Primary. When McCain was asked at the last debate who would oversee the econnomy in his administration , he named Obama supporter, Warren Buffet, not Romney.
Mitt has bee a good soldier.

512 Maximu§  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:01:09pm

Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Hey, my son just found out he's going to Fort Drum in NY.

513 spidly  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:01:27pm

re: #500 MrPaulRevere

You proved my point. Kerry was a product of the seniority system model.

gotcha. somehow I read into it that they had abandoned the practice sometime in the distant past.

514 wolfie  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:02:11pm

re: #480 Tigger2005

F*ck that. What are YOU doing to prevent it from happening?

BINGO !
The only poll that matters is the one on election day.
No one knows what will happen.
And as Tigger says, instead of whining, let's give whatever time and/or money we can to keep fighting.

515 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:03:07pm

re: #458 spidly

in other news. Howard Stern (who I really don't like) has finally come to the conclusion that Democrats are thugs

also funny
howard stern why are you voting obama interviews in harlem

"if Obama's wins - do you mind if Sarah Palin is Vice President"

"uh uh nope nope I don't'."

That's hilarious.

516 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:03:27pm

So?rrender monkey?

517 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:04:33pm

re: #511 opnion

I read that Romney doesn't want a cabinet position.

518 Maximu§  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:04:46pm

re: #498 Bobibutu

*sigh*

Remember that incident when that Chinese Punk in a fighter jet hit our Navy Recon plane? Than the Chinese laughed in our faces as they stripped our plane of its electronics...I was so PO'd at Bush for not stepping up and putting those MFers back in their place.

Thats when I began to doubt Bush as our CiC.

519 Chotii  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:05:26pm

I talked with my best friend since forever, and I would not ask her who she's going to vote for, but I asked if she's voting FOR a person, or AGAINST a person. She said 'against'. She said McCain is an alien. She said she can't abide the thought of him getting into office.

She lives in ultra-conservative small-town Eastern Washington.

520 wolfie  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:05:48pm

They WANT us to give up.

521 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:05:58pm
522 opnion  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:07:06pm

re: #517 Sharmuta

I read that Romney doesn't want a cabinet position.


Too bad, bright guy.

523 wolfie  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:07:14pm

re: #519 Chotii

I talked with my best friend since forever, and I would not ask her who she's going to vote for, but I asked if she's voting FOR a person, or AGAINST a person. She said 'against'. She said McCain is an alien. She said she can't abide the thought of him getting into office.

She lives in ultra-conservative small-town Eastern Washington.

McCain is ET ?
Huh?

524 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:07:39pm

re: #505 So?

It seems you can't even express an opposing opinion on this site without being jumped on by all sides.

If you're looking for a site where you can express your opinion without being challenged, you might be at the wrong site.

LGF- it's a tough room.

525 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:08:20pm

re: #520 wolfie

They WANT us to give up.

Indeed! They know that their best bet is to suppress our vote.

526 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:08:32pm

A few thoughts on negative campaigning.....1) It should be done in a skillful, artful manner and it should start early. You should attempt to paint a picture of your opponent. 2) It can and will backfire if the attacks are perceived as desperate and heavy handed. Sen. McCain's well known distaste for negative campaigning is now coming back to haunt him. He didn't want to embrace it when he should have, and when he has to embrace it, he executes it horribly.

527 debutaunt  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:09:40pm

re: #470 So?

Are you talkin about Shuggie Otis?

Damn I used to have a CD by him playing blues when he was only 14.
Moral: don't ever lend out the good stuff to friends.

Damn, I don't even remember what the album was.

NO, Bireli Lagrene (lead guitar).

528 spidly  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:09:51pm

re: #515 FrogMarch

"if Obama's wins - do you mind if Sarah Palin is Vice President"

"uh uh nope nope I don't'."

That's hilarious.

so you agree with him when he says he wants to stay in Iraq and finish the war - oh yeah, we oughtta stay
and as far as him being pro-life... you support him in that case - yeah, I support him in that

529 Cast Iron Magnolia  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:10:24pm

re: #505 So?
You sound discouraged and angry - and we all get down sometimes. This is a crazy time!
One of the good things we've got going for us is this site. It's a safe port in the storm. We can come here and vent and have our fellow lizards lift our spirits.
Give them a chance - you may go away smiling.

530 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:10:26pm

re: #501 El Lizardo mejicano

"OCTOBER SURPRISE"

[Link: www.babalublog.com...]

ELM, are you Miguel Down in Mexico's sockpuppet?

531 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:10:59pm

re: #528 spidly

so you agree with him when he says he wants to stay in Iraq and finish the war - oh yeah, we oughtta stay
and as far as him being pro-life... you support him in that case - yeah, I support him in that

idiots should not be allowed to vote.

532 neocon hippie  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:11:03pm

re: #503 Sharmuta

No idea how Lynn came up with those numbers, but I sure hope she's right.

533 Wishing  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:11:27pm

re: #501 El Lizardo mejicano

"OCTOBER SURPRISE"

[Link: www.babalublog.com...]

Well the GOOD point in that video is the tie-in between citizenship and medical/school records
hmmmmm

534 Cognito  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:11:58pm

re: #505 So?


It seems you can't even express an opposing opinion on this site without being jumped on by all sides. This is my personal interpretation of events over the past months. I may be right. I may be wrong. Only time will tell.

Don't sweat it. People are cranky because things aren't going well, as you've noted. If polls showed McCain up by 30 points, the climate would be different.

Time will indeed tell.

535 spidly  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:12:58pm

re: #531 FrogMarch

idiots should not be allowed to vote.

maybe go back to the days when you had to have a stake in order to vote.
but then could you imagine what the subprime market would have been like if that were the case?

536 opnion  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:13:04pm

re: #525 Sharmuta

Indeed! They know that their best bet is to suppress our vote.

The polls might be right, they may not be.
It is important to vote even if you might think that it is useless, or even , if you just can't stand McCain. The alternative is just to depressing.

537 Tigger2005  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:13:06pm

re: #505 So?

What are you doing Tigger?
Listen if McCain hasn't done his job by now, and he's had plenty of opportunity starting with Jeremiah Wright, then what can anybody do... unbelievable.

It seems you can't even express an opposing opinion on this site without being jumped on by all sides. This is my personal interpretation of events over the past months. I may be right. I may be wrong. Only time will tell.

I volunteered for the McCain campaign and went out walking for them yesterday, and will again tomorrow. And when I talked to the people as I went door to door, guess what I found? Most of them were voting for McCain. I talked to a woman who'd voted Democrat all her life and was voting for McCain this year. She knew 5 people on her street and was doing the same. I talked to people who knew about ACORN, Wright, Ayers, Rezko, Soros. I talked to people who are damned worried about American becoming a socialist state. People are aware, and their numbers are growing.

538 Archimedes  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:13:14pm

re: #511 opnion

I agree with you about McCain. He does not look like he is all in to win this.
However Romney has been campaigning for him. This is the guy that McCain lied about supporting Iraq time tables, just one week before the Fla Primary. When McCain was asked at the last debate who would oversee the econnomy in his administration , he named Obama supporter, Warren Buffet, not Romney.
Mitt has bee a good soldier.

The same guy who advised Schwarzenegger. Buffet is a brilliant investor, but he's not very good on political freedoms.

539 El Lizardo mejicano  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:13:35pm

re: #530 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Nope amigo..

Here in the heart of the beautiful U.S of A.

Mejicano I am...

540 Wishing  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:13:55pm

re: #517 Sharmuta

I read that Romney doesn't want a cabinet position.


Treasury...Do Youu really blame him? LOL

541 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:15:45pm

re: #504 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I' don't even think he can drive. Wasn't he arrested for DUI a year ago?

Jack Bauer or Kiefer?

542 opnion  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:16:06pm

re: #538 Archimedes

The same guy who advised Schwarzenegger. Buffet is a brilliant investor, but he's not very good on political freedoms.


No he is not & he thinks that we are under taxed.

543 El Lizardo mejicano  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:16:19pm

re: #530 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

ELM, are you Miguel Down in Mexico's sockpuppet?

Who's Miguel anyway?

544 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:16:32pm

re: #512 Maximu§

Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Hey, my son just found out he's going to Fort Drum in NY.

Drum is nice! 10th Mtn for him?

545 Strike Hornet  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:16:34pm

Clint Eastwood: "One of the VP Candidates actually told the truth in the debate"

Posted this in the dead Fake Palin SAT Scores thread...thought it was worth reposting...I would've loved to see those snooty NY elitist socialites gasp when he said "She did great!"
LOL

546 Archimedes  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:17:15pm

re: #542 opnion

No he is not & he thinks that we are under taxed.

He's welcome to pay my taxes.

547 wolfie  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:17:16pm

ALSO: If anyone can spare a dime or two to help Coleman and Sununu, they could use help right now. Are there any other GOP senators y'all can thhink of who are fighting a hard battle right now?

548 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:17:26pm

re: #543 El Lizardo mejicano

Who's Miguel anyway?

MigueldowninMexico is someone of whom I'm very fond. He is very conservative and a devout Roman Catholic.

549 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:17:56pm

THE CRISIS
By Thomas Paine
December 23, 1776

THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated.

/Today, I am thankful to have such glorious forefathers from whom I can draw inspiration.

550 summergurl  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:18:56pm

Don't underestimate how many people will show up on election day to vote against Obama....

551 Archimedes  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:19:05pm

re: #549 Irene NYC

THE CRISIS
By Thomas Paine
December 23, 1776

THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated.

/Today, I am thankful to have such glorious forefathers from whom I can draw inspiration.

No country has better.

552 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:19:30pm

re: #549 Irene NYC

THE CRISIS
By Thomas Paine
December 23, 1776

THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated.

/Today, I am thankful to have such glorious forefathers from whom I can draw inspiration.

I taught that as part of my 10th grade curriculum.

553 twincitiesgirl  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:19:34pm

Just read an interesting piece from the Minneapolis StarTribune:

This taken from their blog:

McCain: Obama is not ‘an Arab’
October 10th, 2008 – 5:46 PM by Pat Doyle

Gayle Quinnell, 75, of Shakopee, approached McCain near the end of his hour long give and take with the crowd and told him she didn’t trust his opponent Barack Obama because “he’s an Arab.”

McCain shook his head and, taking the microphone from her, said “no, ma’am. He’s a decent family man, citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues.”

After the town hall meeting, Quinnell elaborated on her position in talking to reporters.

“I don’t trust Barack Obama because he’s an Arab,” she said. “He’s a Muslim. I’m afraid if he ever got to be president what would happen to this country.”

Obama is a Christian.

The responses to the post are interesting including this observation:

opinionator says:

Ok, let’s just recap.

Quinnell, referring to Obama: He’s an Arab.

McCain: No ma’am. He’s a decent family man…

Seems McCain has a pretty low opinion of Arabs!

554 eon  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:21:21pm

re: #534 Cognito

Don't sweat it. People are cranky because things aren't going well, as you've noted. If polls showed McCain up by 30 points, the climate would be different.

Time will indeed tell.

If McCain were up by 30 points.....

DailyKos would be screaming that the election was being stolen, and demanding armed revolution.

The DNC would be calling ACORN and demanding "action now!"

The MSM would be having violent conniption fits as they tried to conceal the fact ("What polls? We haven't taken any polls!")

Biden would be demanding Congressional investigations.

And The One would be holed up in Tony Rezco's joint on the Lake, in a closet, whimpering and sucking his thumb. (Which, if the fool actually wins the election, I am convinced will be his reaction to the first genuine crisis that we get hit with.)


cheers

eon

555 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:21:39pm

re: #552 goddessoftheclassroom

I have this very old book of the most famous speeches ever given and letters ever written in human history. Everybody needs to leave their own era from time to time and connect with earlier generations.

Your students are very lucky to have you as their teacher.
;)

556 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:22:16pm

re: #550 summergurl

Don't underestimate how many people will show up on election day to vote against Obama....

not to mention the ones that have been for him since the beginning,but once that curtain closes and there is nobody there but them,,,,

they can still always "say" they voted for "O"

557 runrabbitrun  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:22:35pm

re: #511 opnion

I agree with you about McCain. He does not look like he is all in to win this.

I agree about Romney, who has worked very hard to support someone who allied with a spoiler (Huck) to count him out.

However, do you know how many conservative base Republicans would feel more justified and comfortable taking the position they did in the 2006 midterms, and simply refusing to vote for a maverick Republican like Mac if he was up by 6-8 points, and they thought he'd take the contest anyway? As Hannity says, fear is a great motivator to the base, especially when the opposition is as far-left as Obama, and the polls remain balanced so high in Barry's favor.

Nagging fears of Obama, and greater confidence in Mac's moderateness, create the best November 4th equation given a fight as close as it is, in a poor year for Republican hopes for retaining power. (And remember independents tend to be mavericks themselves, who are reactionary in nature... all-out attacks on Dems and Obama may in fact flip them enough to turn them against a party they don't entirely identify with or trust.)

558 spidly  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:23:01pm

I would really like it if someone would start looking at setting up free market centers on indian reservations across the US. think they'd let private hospitals and clinics and insurers set up shop on the reservation for a piece of the action? Make the Cherokee Nation Banking like Grand Caymans in Oklahoma?

559 gettinby  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:23:15pm

re: #506 FrogMarch

If they come out and vote for McCain - I will kiss Hillary's butt from here into eternity. During the primaries I was alone in my distaste for her. Anyone who says openly "we are going to take things away from you for the common good" scares the hell out of me. But now, knowing what I know about mobster Obama - She can have the presidency in 2012. eeek. I can't believe I just said that.

Nope. You didn't say that. Do a PIMF and add a /.

We'll thank her from the bottom of our hearts, and that's all we'll do.

;)

560 rawmuse  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:23:19pm

re: #341 doriangrey

Oakland. It is on the correct side of the pond as well.

561 twincitiesgirl  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:23:21pm

re: #553 twincitiesgirl

Forgot the link:
McCain: Obama is not ‘an Arab’

and another stupid McCain supporter?
Man At Palin Rally Displays Monkey Doll Donning Obama Sticker

562 Bobibutu  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:23:26pm

re: #518 Maximu§

Remember that incident when that Chinese Punk in a fighter jet hit our Navy Recon plane? Than the Chinese laughed in our faces as they stripped our plane of its electronics...I was so PO'd at Bush for not stepping up and putting those MFers back in their place.

Thats when I began to doubt Bush as our CiC.

I remember it well. One hell of a Navy pilot to have landed it at all.

And yes ... another of those WTF moments.

563 eon  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:24:06pm

re: #545 Strike Hornet

Clint Eastwood: "One of the VP Candidates actually told the truth in the debate"

Posted this in the dead Fake Palin SAT Scores thread...thought it was worth reposting...I would've loved to see those snooty NY elitist socialites gasp when he said "She did great!"
LOL

I can imagine them inhaling their Chardonnay, spraying Brie, and almost swallowing their Cohibas.

/I like the imagery.

cheers

eon

564 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:24:42pm
565 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:24:48pm

re: #539 El Lizardo mejicano

Nope amigo..

Here in the heart of the beautiful U.S of A.

Mejicano I am...

Oh okay, just wondering.

566 Archimedes  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:25:27pm

I've been arguing with leftists quite a bit lately, and I'm amazed at the rationalizations I come across.

Here is what one guy said when I said the economic collapse was largely caused by the government forcing banks (mortgage companies) to make bad loans. We'd had a bit of back and forth already.

But, here is the last one he sent:

i dont know where you get your information from
but it is pure propaganda to attempt to blame the economic mess and bank failures on the poor and the then minority dems

your president, in both 2001 and 2002 crowed about the rise in home ownership as signs that he knew what he was doing was right for the economy....this despite warnings about the sub prime market

what you and the rest of the wingnuts in this country are is pure unedulterated evil

who the fuck told financial institutions to bundle bad paper than sell that as stock to anyone they could talk into buying it?

but go ahead...blame the victims

you have now lost the middle class (whatever was left of it)

your party is dying a quick death

the reagan revolution and voodoo economics is over

it is time to return to the smart and sound policies of roosevelt

no one is buying your shit anymore

you and your ilk destroyed my beautiful country

you will all be deported to mexico, where you shipped all our jobs

you douche

I fired off a response to him. I didn't attack the "poor" or "minorities", he just threw that in for some odd reason. But, I just reaffirmed my points and told him he's a wuss. :)

567 wolfie  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:25:41pm

re: #555 Irene NYC

If we had more teachers like the goddess,..................well, our electorate would be a lot wiser!

568 stuiec  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:25:47pm

re: #376 katemaclaren

I did. Saw it the first night. I did it for my country. The movie is not good. However, I wanted to make sure that Maher's movie didn't beat it out. I may go back to see it this weekend, too--or at least buy tickets--then sneak into the Russell Crowe film.

I beg to differ. The movie is not great -- as in side-splittingly funny from start to finish, as were Tropic Thunder or Airplane! -- but it is good: funny in places and emotionally moving in places.

The Happening is now out on DVD. If you want to study a movie that is categorically NOT GOOD, waste a rental payment on that one. It ought to become required viewing in film school, as a cautionary tale to all aspiring filmmakers.

569 So?  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:26:02pm

re: #491 Sharmuta

I just think you don't know what you're talking about.

You're entitled to your opinion.

570 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:26:30pm

re: #555 Irene NYC

I have this very old book of the most famous speeches ever given and letters ever written in human history. Everybody needs to leave their own era from time to time and connect with earlier generations.

Your students are very lucky to have you as their teacher.
;)

You're so kind.

I agree that it is critical that our culturual heritage is passed on to the next generation.

Sadly, students are not text-based anymore; they are technology based, and impatient with prose and poetry that forces them to slow down and think rather than react.

571 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:26:34pm

Note to metal bands: Don't pick up The Stanley Cup if you don't know what the Hell you're doing!

572 esch  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:26:51pm

re: #558 spidly

Don't laugh, I've seriously considered it.

573 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:27:04pm

re: #569 So?

You're entitled to your opinion.

That's reassuring. Thanks for clarifying!

574 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:27:08pm

re: #543 El Lizardo mejicano

Who's Miguel anyway?

A guy that posts here, usually really early in the morning.

575 El Lizardo mejicano  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:27:36pm

re: #548 goddessoftheclassroom

MigueldowninMexico is someone of whom I'm very fond. He is very conservative and a devout Roman Catholic.

LOL!

I am sure I would like to meet him, hard to find TRUE conservatives in Mejico, they are all being fed the same BS in the mexican MSM.

I talked to my mother often, she tells me that the media is trying to feed them obamba as the savior of USA..

Hell! Mejico was ONE STEP from becoming another Venezuela in 2006, nice to meet you amigo, I have been a lurker for a while until I decided to take the Lizard oath, I am THANKFUL! to see that there is still some decent folks in USA.

Specially Charles for creating such an amazing blog, HEY! the truth will always set you free..

576 Tigger2005  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:28:28pm

re: #561 twincitiesgirl

Forgot the link:
McCain: Obama is not ‘an Arab’

and another stupid McCain supporter?
Man At Palin Rally Displays Monkey Doll Donning Obama Sticker

Well, let's just keep obsessing over this stuff from now until November 4, to the exclusion of all else. Might as well just stay home and talk about about how a few idiots torpedoed McCain's campaign. It's all much more important than preventing a Socialist from becoming President, overturning the Constitution, and bankrupting the country.

577 cblesz  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:28:40pm

Newsweek poll that shows Obama 11 points up is bogus. They are flat out pathetic...

[Link: campaignspot.nationalreview.com...]

578 Tigger2005  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:30:01pm

Don't forget ... they really believe that we are pure unadulturated evil, and they intend to punish us for it.

re: #566 Archimedes

I've been arguing with leftists quite a bit lately, and I'm amazed at the rationalizations I come across.

Here is what one guy said when I said the economic collapse was largely caused by the government forcing banks (mortgage companies) to make bad loans. We'd had a bit of back and forth already.

But, here is the last one he sent:

I fired off a response to him. I didn't attack the "poor" or "minorities", he just threw that in for some odd reason. But, I just reaffirmed my points and told him he's a wuss. :)

579 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:30:20pm

re: #570 goddessoftheclassroom

You're so kind.

I agree that it is critical that our culturual heritage is passed on to the next generation.

Sadly, students are not text-based anymore; they are technology based, and impatient with prose and poetry that forces them to slow down and think rather than react.


I'm scared about my own reaction to technology - and I am a old-fashioned text-based person. I can almost feel the changes in my brain and the addictive nature of technology is not easily avoided either.

580 eschew_obfuscation  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:30:48pm

re: #573 sattv4u2

That's reassuring. Thanks for clarifying!

Hey Sattv4u2.....

I need to apologize to you for calling you an idiot yesterday!

That was below my expectations for myself and ill suited to civil discourse.

I am truly sorry about that and will not let it happen again...

581 cliffster  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:30:56pm

re: #569 So?

You're entitled to your opinion.

What's the point of posting the statement here? You think it's over, well there you are. But why go out of your way to make that statement on a blog of people who are hoping it's not?

582 wolfie  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:31:03pm

re: #575 El Lizardo mejicano

Bienvenido! :)

583 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:32:39pm

re: #579 Irene NYC

I'm scared about my own reaction to technology - and I am a old-fashioned text-based person. I can almost feel the changes in my brain and the addictive nature of technology is not easily avoided either.

I'm very excited about the textbook my district is piloting. It does have classic literature, but mixed in is contemporary, young adult high-interest selections, too. They also have an interactive internet site that enhances the textbook. The company seems to be ahead of the the change in the learning dynamic.

584 Wishing  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:32:43pm
585 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:32:46pm

re: #571 Wyatt Earp

Note to metal bands: Don't pick up The Stanley Cup if you don't know what the Hell you're doing!

LOL! But I like Def Leppard.

586 Lively  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:33:31pm

re: #537 Tigger2005

I volunteered for the McCain campaign and went out walking for them yesterday, and will again tomorrow. And when I talked to the people as I went door to door, guess what I found? Most of them were voting for McCain. I talked to a woman who'd voted Democrat all her life and was voting for McCain this year. She knew 5 people on her street and was doing the same. I talked to people who knew about ACORN, Wright, Ayers, Rezko, Soros. I talked to people who are damned worried about American becoming a socialist state. People are aware, and their numbers are growing.

Good on ya.

587 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:33:31pm

re: #585 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

LOL! But I like Def Leppard.

So do I, a fact that surprises many who know me.

588 spidly  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:34:02pm

re: #572 esch

Don't laugh, I've seriously considered it.

I am serious. Hell. they should set up reactors and auto plants and whatever. we could all drive to the reservations to work at a reasonable tax level. would they have an obligation to inform the US government of our earnings? I really want a way to opt out of the nanny state.

Cherokee Nation Businesses &Acorn Growth Companies Complete Acquisition of Aerospace Firm

they should buy and move GM

589 El Lizardo mejicano  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:34:03pm

re: #564 ploome hineni

a loyal mijicano, in the heart of beautiful U.S. of A.

loving your country and using mine

I am a VERY PROUD american citizen, I pay my dues just like you, I love Mejico because I was born there and my family lives there, you should visit some day, mexican people are great people, great values.

590 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:34:32pm

re: #580 eschew_obfuscation

Hey Sattv4u2.....

I need to apologize to you for calling you an idiot yesterday!

That was below my expectations for myself and ill suited to civil discourse.

I am truly sorry about that and will not let it happen again...


n/p ,,,, (and just to ease your guilt, I often TRY to be an 'idiot" just for the sake of incitement, or to make a point!))

591 So?  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:34:55pm

re: #581 cliffster

What's the point of posting the statement here? You think it's over, well there you are. But why go out of your way to make that statement on a blog of people who are hoping it's not?

One word: discussion.

592 wolfie  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:35:45pm

re: #570 goddessoftheclassroom

re: #579 Irene NYC

I tell my students that I am a complete cyber-dunce. This has the benefit of forcing them to work on a textual basis, something that many cyber-savvy profs want but find hard to justify.
(It also happens to be the truth...i.e., I really am a computer moron.)

593 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:35:49pm

re: #580 eschew_obfuscation

re: #590 sattv4u2

n/p ,,,, (and just to ease your guilt, I often TRY to be an 'idiot" just for the sake of incitement, or to make a point!))

AND ,,, sometimes being an idiot just comes natural to me !
'
BTW , what were we discussing?

594 Gang of One  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:35:55pm

re: #564 ploome hineni

a loyal mijicano, in the heart of beautiful U.S. of A.

loving your country and using mine

Is ELM here legally or illegally? I have a cousin, born in Mexico, educated here, married an American girl, has his own business in DFW. Is my cousin using the USA?

595 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:36:09pm
596 El Lizardo mejicano  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:36:14pm

re: #582 wolfie

Bienvenido! :)

Gracias amigo(a)

597 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:36:16pm

re: #558 spidly

I would really like it if someone would start looking at setting up free market centers on indian reservations across the US. think they'd let private hospitals and clinics and insurers set up shop on the reservation for a piece of the action? Make the Cherokee Nation Banking like Grand Caymans in Oklahoma?

That's a fascinating idea. Anybody who can run a casino can probably run a bank as well as those who are doing it now....

598 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:36:16pm

re: #569 So?

But unlike you when my opinion is challenged, I don't whine about it. I back up my opinion with an argument rationalizing my stance.

599 eschew_obfuscation  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:36:50pm

re: #593 sattv4u2

re: #590 sattv4u2

AND ,,, sometimes being an idiot just comes natural to me !
'
BTW , what were we discussing?

The transitive property of equalities If A = B and B=C then A = C

600 Spirit93  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:37:00pm

re: #566 Archimedes

I've been arguing with leftists quite a bit lately, and I'm amazed at the rationalizations I come across.

Here is what one guy said when I said the economic collapse was largely caused by the government forcing banks (mortgage companies) to make bad loans. We'd had a bit of back and forth already.

But, here is the last one he sent:

I fired off a response to him. I didn't attack the "poor" or "minorities", he just threw that in for some odd reason. But, I just reaffirmed my points and told him he's a wuss. :)

Wow, what a convincing argument his response was.

Guess I'll be voting O.

/need I?

601 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:37:03pm

re: #593 sattv4u2

re: #590 sattv4u2

AND ,,, sometimes being an idiot just comes natural to me !
'
BTW , what were we discussing?

I was SO TEMPTED to tease you and say something like that, but I didn't in case it came across wrong and hurt your feelings.

602 esch  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:37:06pm

re: #588 spidly

I'm going to have to research the law on that. My wife's tribal group has been screwed over by the government up north for decades. Would be fitting to start up highly profitable clean industry on those lands.

603 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:37:20pm

re: #579 Irene NYC

True about text vs. technology but I think if you closely observe - it takes some contemplation - you will find that thought and awareness at their origin are wordless anyway.

So if you can get to that point, it will not matter if you use a computer instead of a book.

604 rawmuse  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:37:36pm

Just picked up the new Randy Newman recoding "Harps and Angels"
Pretty darned entertaining.

605 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:38:05pm

re: #599 eschew_obfuscation

The transitive property of equalities If A = B and B=C then A = C

we were arguing MATH!?!?!,, Oh ,, wait ,, we were discussing same sex marriage!
SEE , I TOLD you I "idiotize" at times to incite !

606 ArmyWife  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:38:37pm

Hello again, group. Am pulling up drudge and see something about Nancy counting on Obamalama win, calling the congresscritters back. Am going to read, but anyone have the lowdown?

607 wolfie  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:38:46pm

re: #595 ploome hineni

*whack

I don't care if you have cystic fibrosis!
You behave yourself! :D

608 Archimedes  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:39:10pm

re: #578 Tigger2005

Don't forget ... they really believe that we are pure unadulturated evil, and they intend to punish us for it.

To that point I told him I am advocating liberty, individual rights, which is fundamentally good. I then told him that he is the one pushing for complete control over our lives and that his position is pure evil. I referenced the old Soviet Union and how it enslaved and murdered millions. This is the ultimate end of socialism. So, I made it clear that he's the one pushing the evil, not me.

609 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:39:20pm

re: #601 goddessoftheclassroom

Goddess ,,, if I don;t make fun of myself at least once an hour, my head starts to hurt.

Self deprication ,,, if only the world had more of it

610 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:39:26pm
611 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:39:36pm

re: #603 Ojoe

True about text vs. technology but I think if you closely observe - it takes some contemplation - you will find that thought and awareness at their origin are wordless anyway.

So if you can get to that point, it will not matter if you use a computer instead of a book.

As long as kids READ, I don't mind the medium. In fact, I read the entire Barchester Towers and Pallister series by Anthony Trollope online this summer,

612 eon  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:40:00pm

re: #566 Archimedes

"Return to the sound policies of Roosevelt?"

I hope he meant T.R., not FDR.

As Jonah Goldberg pointed out in a recent column, FDR essentially continued the highly interventionist social spending policies of Herbert Hoover, except on a more extravagant (and expensive) scale. And in doing so, probably prolonged and deepened the Depression.

The actual recovery from the Great Depression, in terms of business volume and valuation, really didn't occur until the Eisenhower Administration. Even wartime spending by the government didn't do much to improve the civilian economy, as it was financed primarily by war bonds (i.e., people loaning the government money). This can give the appearance of prosperity- for a while. But in the end, it all comes down to deficit spending.

Which is why whenever some self-styled "intellectual" brags about "FDR's wise fiscal policies", or tells me that the United States has fought (insert name of war here) for profit, I don't know whether to laugh, or drill a hole in their head to let some air into the vacuum between their ears.

cheers

eon

613 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:40:11pm

Interesting thought:

In 2004, the left had an effort to screw with the Exit Polls to get the election to swing their way.

Didn't work.

Was the lesson they took from that the idea that they needed to screw up the regular polls to get their result?

Is that what we are seeing?

/no I don't buy the media wants to keep its credibility argument... you can watch their newscasts and read their rags to figure out they no longer give a rip.

614 Gang of One  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:40:51pm

re: #595 ploome hineni

your nic says it all

I would not step foot into Mexico..an outlaw country

You know what Ploome, I have family in Mexico, my mother was born there, I lived there. Normally, I think you have some good posts, but this is over the top.
Fuck you.

615 El Lizardo mejicano  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:41:07pm

re: #595 ploome hineni

your nic says it all

I would not step foot into Mexico..an outlaw country

Your choice amigo(a)

So you are going to judge someone by the "nic" ? without even trying to meet the person.

Well..
Since you are already telling me that Mexico is an outlaw country, my conversation is over with you amigo..

616 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:41:25pm

re: #609 sattv4u2

Goddess ,,, if I don;t make fun of myself at least once an hour, my head starts to hurt.

Self deprication ,,, if only the world had more of it

Yes, but I would never want my good-intentioned kidding to come across as insulting and hurt as Lizard's feelings.

617 kansas  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:41:29pm

Man At Palin Rally Displays Monkey Doll Donning Obama Sticker

19,999 did not.

618 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:41:35pm
619 ArmyWife  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:41:50pm
After consulting with Barack Obama, Democratic leaders are likely to call Congress back to work after the election in hopes of passing legislation that would include extended jobless benefits, money for food stamps and possibly a tax rebate, officials said Saturday.

The bill's total cost could reach $150 billion, these officials said.

Shocker stuff in the article. More social legislation, more money out of my pocket.

620 stuiec  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:42:01pm

re: #410 RedWhiteAndJew

"Assalaamu 'Aleykum" is Arabic for "peace be unto you." For moderate Muslims, it means the same as "shalom aleichem."

The problem is that a sizable number of Muslims interpret it to mean, "may you find peace through the ultimate purging of the world of infidels."

621 Palandine  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:42:16pm

Palandine goes to the gun show.

...and picks herself up a nice older (serial number around 130,000) Ruger 10-22 with walnut stock, scope, and 2 mags--$210.

Looking forward to taking it to the range on Monday, which I have off to celebrate my Italian-American heritage. ;)

622 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:42:30pm

re: #583 goddessoftheclassroom

I'm very excited about the textbook my district is piloting. It does have classic literature, but mixed in is contemporary, young adult high-interest selections, too. They also have an interactive internet site that enhances the textbook. The company seems to be ahead of the the change in the learning dynamic.


That sounds very encouraging. The last textbook I perused was co-edited by Dana Gioia, head of the NEA. He is trying to do everything he can to promote the written word.

623 Opilio  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:42:57pm

re: #467 So?

You can say this and say that about Obama, but guess what? He's going to be the next president. You can thank McCain who is asleep at the wheel. He doesn't even to seem to want to win. And where are his fellow republicans, Mitt Romney, etc. etc. Not a peep of support for McCain. They're all in hiding counting their money.

I think this is the saddest election in US history.


"Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change? "

-- Oddball (Donald Sutherland), Kelly's Heroes, 1970

624 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:43:44pm

re: #616 goddessoftheclassroom

Yes, but I would never want my good-intentioned kidding to come across as insulting and hurt as Lizard's feelings.

Goddess,,,,, if you hit me with a good intentioned snarky remark, nobody will appreciate it and laugh more than I !

625 Wishing  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:43:52pm

re: #619 ArmyWife

Shocker stuff in the article. More social legislation, more money out of my pocket.

What a self-inflated fool he is.
Pride goeth before the fall...
Will be here on the 4th to hear the *THUD*

626 spidly  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:44:06pm

re: #602 esch

I'm going to have to research the law on that. My wife's tribal group has been screwed over by the government up north for decades. Would be fitting to start up highly profitable clean industry on those lands.

gotta be someone who wants to build private hospitasl and start and Insurance companies in places where the US Gov can't fuck with them.

627 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:44:06pm

re: #623 Opilio

"Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change? "

-- Oddball (Donald Sutherland), Kelly's Heroes, 1970

Hope... Change.... DRINK!

628 Archimedes  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:44:09pm

re: #600 Spirit93

Wow, what a convincing argument his response was.

Guess I'll be voting O.

/need I?

Right, a great deal of vilification and empty rhetoric, but not much in the way of substance. Actually, what happened is that we had a back and forth, and I was countering his every point. His last response was just him losing his cool because he was losing the argument.

629 So?  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:44:22pm

re: #598 Sharmuta

But unlike you when my opinion is challenged, I don't whine about it. I back up my opinion with an argument rationalizing my stance.

Whine? Brother, what dictionary do you use?

McCain has ample ammunition: Rev. Wright, Ayers, Obama's birth certificate, etc etc etc. Yet he's not going after Obama. All the other Obama "questions/mysteries" have been discussed here on LGF. Look, I'm not here to argue with you. Like I said, time will tell. Let's leave it at that. The last debate drastically changed my outlook, ok. That's it. That's all.

630 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:44:46pm

re: #552 goddessoftheclassroom

I taught that as part of my 10th grade curriculum.

It is nice that while many school history books are deplorable, our founding fathers and other statesmen left so much quality material that can be used in public schools.

631 Wishing  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:44:53pm

re: #621 Palandine

Palandine goes to the gun show.

...and picks herself up a nice older (serial number around 130,000) Ruger 10-22 with walnut stock, scope, and 2 mags--$210.

Looking forward to taking it to the range on Monday, which I have off to celebrate my Italian-American heritage. ;)

Woohoo! They are GREAT little guns! You will LOVE it!

632 godfrey  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:45:00pm

re: #604 rawmuse

I loves me some Randy Newman. Right now, though, I'm transcribing some music from Transylvania. What "Gyongviragosh" means, I have no idea. It sure sounds good, though.

633 Palandine  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:45:16pm

By the way, in bitter clinger land, where I went to the gun show, the McCain signs in front yards outnumbered the Obama signs by a good 10- to 1-margin.

It's not over. The media are lying.

634 wolfie  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:45:23pm

re: #596 El Lizardo mejicano

Amiga!
I was born and raised in Bolivia, which is where my mother is from. (My father is from S Carolina.) She was naturalized an American in the 1980's and is the most patriotic American I know. She even celebrates her birthday on the 4th of July!

635 godfrey  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:45:48pm

THE MEDIA ARE LYING

636 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:45:54pm

re: #611 goddessoftheclassroom

That's a lot of screen reading, did it not tire your eyes?

I like paper better, especially for catalogs of structural connectors for instance. (Simpson strong-tie a case in point). It is way quicker to find the right piece of structural metal by using an index and flipping pages, than by using a mouse and hunting around a website.

Then if you print the page, it might come out fuzzy.

What's the use, I'm a primitive.

637 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:46:06pm

It is not a red and blue state issue, it is a purple (ACORN) county issue.

/see the late afternoon sunlight on autumn leaves, must go revel

638 Tigger2005  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:46:07pm

15, 20 years of incredible hardship and sacrifice. And even though we did elect a guy who was more or less a Socialist, he was still a decent wartime President. Today, so many of us squawk and start demanding handouts at even the merest hint of deprivation.

re: #612 eon

"Return to the sound policies of Roosevelt?"

I hope he meant T.R., not FDR.

As Jonah Goldberg pointed out in a recent column, FDR essentially continued the highly interventionist social spending policies of Herbert Hoover, except on a more extravagant (and expensive) scale. And in doing so, probably prolonged and deepened the Depression.

The actual recovery from the Great Depression, in terms of business volume and valuation, really didn't occur until the Eisenhower Administration. Even wartime spending by the government didn't do much to improve the civilian economy, as it was financed primarily by war bonds (i.e., people loaning the government money). This can give the appearance of prosperity- for a while. But in the end, it all comes down to deficit spending.

Which is why whenever some self-styled "intellectual" brags about "FDR's wise fiscal policies", or tells me that the United States has fought (insert name of war here) for profit, I don't know whether to laugh, or drill a hole in their head to let some air into the vacuum between their ears.

cheers

eon

639 stuiec  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:46:32pm

re: #610 ploome hineni

Right. And that ISN'T an Israeli flag on the other side of the Aaron Kodesh from the American flag.

640 Wishing  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:46:47pm
641 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:46:49pm
642 stuiec  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:47:24pm

re: #617 kansas

Man At Palin Rally Displays Monkey Doll Donning Obama Sticker

19,999 did not.

What an idiot that guy was! Everyone knows that BUSH is the monkey!

643 Palandine  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:47:50pm

re: #635 godfrey

THE MEDIA ARE LYING

32 seconds. My brother from another mother!

644 runrabbitrun  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:47:51pm

re: #331 yma o hyd

Well, B0 did tell them to call him if they needed him ...
Pelosi et all are just planning ahead, gotta feed all the hungry, see!

What a joke - after this economic meltdown, Big Brother Barry won't have a nickel to put the big-spending trillion dollar programs he already has planned into place, and Pelosi is trying to buy votes by promising folks she'll spend another few hundred billion?

645 cblesz  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:47:54pm

Looks like McCain is gonna put his tail between his legs and whimper away. What a wuss. Thank God Palin is fighting. Glad I gave him all that money. What happened to "FIGHT WITH ME!"

via hotair:
[Link: hotair.com...]

beautiful...I am officially pissed.

646 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:48:36pm

re: #606 ArmyWife

Hello again, group. Am pulling up drudge and see something about Nancy counting on Obamalama win, calling the congresscritters back. Am going to read, but anyone have the lowdown?

HIDE YOUR WALLET!

647 loflyer  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:48:46pm

Arrr, mates, looks like "me beloved dawgs have sealed the victory against Tennessee. 'me state of birth. Go Dawgs! Haaar!

648 godfrey  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:48:47pm

I ask you

Is there anything better than flank steak cooking in a slurry of bourguignon, the windows wide open, with onions and carrots you pulled out of the garden, a nice bottle of cab/syrah by the stove, and diced potatoes crackling in a skillet?

I mean, how much better does a fall evening get?

649 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:49:07pm

re: #636 Ojoe

That's a lot of screen reading, did it not tire your eyes?

I like paper better, especially for catalogs of structural connectors for instance. (Simpson strong-tie a case in point). It is way quicker to find the right piece of structural metal by using an index and flipping pages, than by using a mouse and hunting around a website.

Then if you print the page, it might come out fuzzy.

What's the use, I'm a primitive.

Actually, I used the "zoom" feature to increase the size of the text (my vision is so crummy). I read it on my laptop at night before I went to sleep, so I couldn't have my contacts in.

650 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:49:28pm
651 spidly  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:49:31pm

re: #645 cblesz

Looks like McCain is gonna put his tail between his legs and whimper away. What a wuss. Thank God Palin is fighting. Glad I gave him all that money. What happened to "FIGHT WITH ME!"

via hotair:
[Link: hotair.com...]

beautiful...I am officially pissed.

Fight FOR me, so I can tell you to stop being so divisive

652 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:49:32pm

re: #603 Ojoe

True about text vs. technology but I think if you closely observe - it takes some contemplation - you will find that thought and awareness at their origin are wordless anyway.

So if you can get to that point, it will not matter if you use a computer instead of a book.


One cannot pass on culture without texts. One cannot be rational without words. One cannot communicate precisely without words either. And human achievement was impossible without words and texts. I don't think that is going to change anytime soon.
;)

653 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:49:35pm

re: #648 godfrey

Pumpkin ice cream for dessert.

654 stuiec  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:49:43pm

re: #619 ArmyWife

Shocker stuff in the article. More social legislation, more money out of my pocket.

Why would they reconvene Congress to pass a bill that Bush will veto?

655 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:50:03pm

re: #595 ploome hineni

BTW Ploome, sorry about the confusion re you having CF the other day.

656 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:50:24pm

re: #652 Irene NYC

No, that wont change. My thought in mine alone until I clothe it in words.

657 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:50:27pm

re: #648 godfrey

I ask you

Is there anything better than flank steak cooking in a slurry of bourguignon, the windows wide open, with onions and carrots you pulled out of the garden, a nice bottle of cab/syrah by the stove, and diced potatoes crackling in a skillet?

I mean, how much better does a fall evening get?

well ,,,,,, a young Gina Lollabridgida in a string bikini serving it would be!

658 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:50:37pm

re: #645 cblesz

Looks like McCain is gonna put his tail between his legs and whimper away. What a wuss. Thank God Palin is fighting. Glad I gave him all that money. What happened to "FIGHT WITH ME!"

via hotair:
[Link: hotair.com...]

beautiful...I am officially pissed.

Don't worry, she'll convince him. It only takes one set of balls, and Sarah has them.

659 El Lizardo mejicano  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:51:00pm

re: #614 Gang of One

You know what Ploome, I have family in Mexico, my mother was born there, I lived there. Normally, I think you have some good posts, but this is over the top.
Fuck you.

The funny thing is that I find myself being more AMERICAN than many other americans that were born and raised in USA all their lives.

HOW can you try to judge someone by a "nic"? it surprises me.

660 stuiec  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:51:06pm

re: #648 godfrey

I ask you

Is there anything better than flank steak cooking in a slurry of bourguignon, the windows wide open, with onions and carrots you pulled out of the garden, a nice bottle of cab/syrah by the stove, and diced potatoes crackling in a skillet?

I mean, how much better does a fall evening get?

If the potatores are crackling in duck fat, then it doesn't get any better.

661 MellyMel  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:51:10pm

re: #633 Palandine

By the way, in bitter clinger land, where I went to the gun show, the McCain signs in front yards outnumbered the Obama signs by a good 10- to 1-margin.

It's not over. The media are lying.

Yup! Where I live, you NEVER see signs for the repub candidate -- until now. Yes, the O signs outnumber the McCain signs, but they are there. Also, I ordered a sign and got an e-mail saying the demand for the signs was so high it would be a few days before it shipped.

The media is full of shit. Don't believe anything they say about this election!

662 Opilio  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:51:11pm

re: #442 opnion

Good ad it makes you wonder who is now & has been behind Obama from the jump. He immerses himself in Black Rage authors while in High School & befriends Marxist poet Frank Marshall Davis.
A substandard high School student gets an academic scholarship to Occidental College in California on to study in New York on way to President of Harvard Law Review , submitting no articles.
The Kicker, he gets paid to write two BIOS , without a Bio & fast tracked to the cusp of the presidency. He did not do this on his own

Do you think Obama knows he's just the front man/puppet for unseen dark forces, or has he bought into his own mystique and truly believe he is the One?

663 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:51:27pm

re: #653 Ojoe

see my #657 ,,,, BOY do we have different priorities!

664 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:51:27pm

"IS" mine alone,

sheesh.

PIMF

BBL

665 Palandine  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:51:42pm

re: #647 loflyer

Arrr, mates, looks like "me beloved dawgs have sealed the victory against Tennessee. 'me state of birth. Go Dawgs! Haaar!

My beloved Irish are snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

666 itellu3times  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:51:44pm

re: #648 godfrey

I ask you

Is there anything better than flank steak cooking in a slurry of bourguignon, the windows wide open, with onions and carrots you pulled out of the garden, a nice bottle of cab/syrah by the stove, and diced potatoes crackling in a skillet?

I mean, how much better does a fall evening get?

Depends who's cooking it, and running around nekkid, but yeah.

667 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:51:57pm
668 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:52:09pm

re: #662 Opilio

Do you think Obama knows he's just the front man/puppet for unseen dark forces, or has he bought into his own mystique and truly believe he is the One?

He's been drinking his own bath water since birth.

669 rawmuse  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:52:17pm

re: #632 godfrey

Do you use this software when you transcribe? I use it. It is incredibly useful.

670 cblesz  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:52:25pm

re: #658 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Don't worry, she'll convince him. It only takes one set of balls, and Sarah has them.

I want ALL my money back. Fuck this. What a pussy. I do not understand. They will call you a racist anyway, John. Just save us, please!

671 HDrepub  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:52:25pm

Seriously people we all need to contact JohnMcCain.com and express our views about the campaign and how we all think he is being too nice to Obama. I did just that today, for what good it will do, but at least I voiced an opinion instead of just sitting and fuming about it. I stated I thought the campaign was being Dole/Kemp redux, and urged the campaign to get tougher. I also asked why Jeremiah Wright is off limits.

672 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:52:34pm

re: #663 sattv4u2

I'm married.

LOL

673 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:52:39pm

re: #595 ploome hineni

your nic says it all

I would not step foot into Mexico..an outlaw country

Mexico is an ally of the USA. They have a big problem with corruption, but apparently so does the USA. One reason I've been posting a lot of articles in the Spinoff Links that have to do with Mexico is to point out to those who are unaware, just how close and complicated the relationship between the two countries is. I realize your opinion is strongly held, and I have no chance of changing it, but you are being very rude.

674 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:53:03pm

re: #672 Ojoe

I'm married.

LOL

so am I ,,,,,, I still maintain my stance!

675 cliffster  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:53:12pm

re: #659 El Lizardo mejicano

The funny thing is that I find myself being more AMERICAN than many other americans that were born and raised in USA all their lives.

HOW can you try to judge someone by a "nic"? it surprises me.

That's because Americans born and raised have always had the wonderful things that come with being an American, so they don't realize what a blessing it is. And, that you have to fight to keep it - thus the popularity Obama is seeing.

676 godfrey  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:53:15pm

Ok, Gina is granted.

Actually, any string bikini is granted.

Pumpkin ice cream is also granted.

I'm working with butter, olive oil and nonstick for the potatoes. It's a thing of beauty.

Texas steak.

All you irrational Greenies can kiss my ass.

677 stuiec  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:53:16pm

re: #650 ploome hineni

Maybe I misinterpreted the 'hineni' in your nic.

I don't think it's reasonable to look down on Americans who take pride in the lands of their ancestors. You'd have to call St. Patrick's Day parades and the Knights of Columbus un-American, by that standard.

678 capitalist piglet  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:53:22pm

Probably already posted, but Ace has a tip that ACORN, Project Vote, and
the New Party all share(d?) this address, at least at one time.

Project Vote
88 Third Avenue, Third Floor
Brooklyn, NY 11217
US

Isn't Obama now trying to claim that Project Vote really wasn't all that connected to ACORN after all (after calling them "in the middle of it" or some such thing)? Has he denied membership in the New Party? Wouldn't it be odd if his own project shared their address?OOPS.

679 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:53:27pm
680 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:53:31pm

re: #635 godfrey

THE MEDIA ARE LYING

Are you sure?
/

681 godfrey  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:54:05pm

re: #669 rawmuse

Rawmuse! That's precisely what I use. Andy does a great, great job.

682 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:54:19pm

re: #674 sattv4u2

Gina Lollabrigida

683 eon  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:54:23pm

re: #621 Palandine

Palandine goes to the gun show.

...and picks herself up a nice older (serial number around 130,000) Ruger 10-22 with walnut stock, scope, and 2 mags--$210.

Looking forward to taking it to the range on Monday, which I have off to celebrate my Italian-American heritage. ;)

Good for you. And congratulations on getting a 10-22 with all those goodies so cheap.
People are invariably shocked when they ask me, "What sort of gun should I get for (fill in the blank- survival, foraging, training, etc.)", thinking I'm going to recommend a 5.56 or 7.62 semi-auto rifle, 9mm pistol, or whatever. And I tell them, "For general, everyday use, a good-quality .22 rifle or pistol, of whatever type you personally like best."

The ammo's cheap and plentiful (and you can store a lifetime's supply in one drawer of a file cabinet- or a big tackle box), it doesn't beat you to death with recoil or deafen you with blast, most quality .22s are highly accurate, and unless you live in Governor Palin's neighborhood a .22 will take care of most "chores" other than actual big-game hunting. For squirrels and rabbits, the .22 is the logical answer, especially if you intend to eat Rocky or Bugs after the fact- anything else destroys too much meat with anything but a head shot.

I'm looking for a good .22 rifle myself, as my last one went away after I concluded that it just wasn't working right any more (old .22). Due to my "position", I'm sort of torn between the AR-7 Explorer (now made by Henry) and the Marlin 70P Papoose. (For my purposes, a breakdown .22 is preferable to a "one-piece".)

cheers

eon

684 El Lizardo mejicano  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:54:42pm

re: #634 wolfie

Amiga!
I was born and raised in Bolivia, which is where my mother is from. (My father is from S Carolina.) She was naturalized an American in the 1980's and is the most patriotic American I know. She even celebrates her birthday on the 4th of July!

Great to meet you!

685 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:54:50pm
686 cblesz  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:55:00pm

YOu know what is even scarier than Obama? He is such a puss that Pelosi and Reid will be in charge...unchecked. Enjoy America...you are all a bunch of dopes.

687 capitalist piglet  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:55:05pm

Oh, and there's video of Obama inviting a gathering of "community organizers", including ACORN apparently, to shape his administration's policies between the election and the inauguration.

688 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:55:06pm

re: #671 HDrepub

That's all fine and good- you told them your opinion, but have you thought to call the RNC and tell them to fight too? They have money and they can help carry some water.

689 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:55:22pm

re: #670 cblesz

I want ALL my money back. Fuck this. What a pussy. I do not understand. They will call you a racist anyway, John. Just save us, please!

Wait for the last debate before panicking. Please.

Not all is as it seems. He could still be convincing Obama he won't do it (disinformation) so he can take out the hammer of truth on his pointy head Wednesday.

If Wednesday is another mubble-fest, then I'll eat my crow right here for all to see and you can feel free to panic all you like.

690 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:55:25pm

re: #682 Ojoe

Gina Lollabrigida

Anyone know how to extract drool from a keyboard!?!?!?!

691 loflyer  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:56:27pm

re: #665 Palandine

My beloved Irish are snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Go Irish! Yaaar!

692 Gang of One  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:56:44pm

re: #659 El Lizardo mejicano

The funny thing is that I find myself being more AMERICAN than many other americans that were born and raised in USA all their lives.

HOW can you try to judge someone by a "nic"? it surprises me.

I would not lose sleep over it, compadre.

693 Palandine  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:56:45pm

re: #661 MellyMel

Yup! Where I live, you NEVER see signs for the repub candidate -- until now. Yes, the O signs outnumber the McCain signs, but they are there. Also, I ordered a sign and got an e-mail saying the demand for the signs was so high it would be a few days before it shipped.

The media is full of shit. Don't believe anything they say about this election!

Ditto. Working class and agricultural. LOTS of Kerry signs last time around. Not so many Obama signs this time.

Rural people vote, in large numbers, regardless of weather or whatever. They feel it's their duty. They WILL NOT vote for a candidate in favor of infanticide (not just abortion) and crippling gun control. Won't happen.

The media are lying.

694 wolfie  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:56:53pm

re: #641 ploome hineni

and she calls BOlivia "my country"?

She sometimes does, meaning "country of origin." But she would agree with you on this, because she will correct herself and say "old country" and then remind everyone that the USA is her country now.
(Bear in mind that she was middle-aged when she moved here and her entire family is in Bolivia.)
I would add that on forms that ask ethnicity or race, she refuses to check "Hispanic." Instead she goes down to the "other" category and writes AMERICAN.

695 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:56:55pm

re: #686 cblesz

YOu know what is even scarier than Obama? He is such a puss that Pelosi and Reid will be in charge...unchecked. Enjoy America...you are all a bunch of dopes.

We must be. We keep on bailing out one country after another once their invaded!

696 SpartanWoman  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:57:10pm

re: #658 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Don't worry, she'll convince him. It only takes one set of balls, and Sarah has them.

It's sure not McCain! You can't say Obama is too risky one moment and say there is nothing to fear and that he is a "decent family man" the next.
I can only imagine the ads Obama will wring out of those comments!

697 loflyer  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:57:17pm

re: #690 sattv4u2

Anyone know how to extract drool from a keyboard!?!?!?!

wet/dry vac mate!

698 godfrey  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:57:52pm

re: #679 ploome hineni

And that's another thing. I had my first taste of foie gras this past May.

Lizards.

It was incredible.

It's a luxury, yeah, and it's French, but dawg, that is good eatin. I'm reading that it's easy to prepare, too. You splurge on the front end, but then you get all this goodness for a while. I'm thinkin' about it.

699 Wishing  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:58:40pm

re: #406 spidly

NEW GOP AD - Barack Obama and ACORN

If you havent seen this latest McCain ad, please watch it..it is GREAT
and quit the freekin whinin already...buncha old women (wait...I am an old woman...I take that back)

700 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:58:42pm
701 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:58:46pm

re: #689 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Wait for the last debate before panicking. Please.

Not all is as it seems. He could still be convincing Obama he won't do it (disinformation) so he can take out the hammer of truth on his pointy head Wednesday.

If Wednesday is another mubble-fest, then I'll eat my crow right here for all to see and you can feel free to panic all you like.

I'm so with you on that.

I think Sen. McCain understands the short attention spans of many people and is going to drop the hammer as close to the election as he can.

702 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:59:25pm

re: #645 cblesz

I think Sarah should go maverick on his ass, go off the reservation, go off script, and fight with everything she's got. If the GOP loses this election, at least it will go down swinging.

703 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:59:32pm

re: #686 cblesz

YOu know what is even scarier than Obama? He is such a puss that Pelosi and Reid will be in charge...unchecked. Enjoy America...you are all a bunch of dopes.

Fuck you, asshole.

704 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:59:35pm

re: #687 capitalist piglet

Oh, and there's video of Obama inviting a gathering of "community organizers", including ACORN apparently, to shape his administration's policies between the election and the inauguration.

CP, do you have a link for that perchance? I haven't seen it yet. Thanks.

705 Opilio  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 3:59:45pm

re: #648 godfrey

I ask you

Is there anything better than flank steak cooking in a slurry of bourguignon, the windows wide open, with onions and carrots you pulled out of the garden, a nice bottle of cab/syrah by the stove, and diced potatoes crackling in a skillet?

Yes.

706 willowone  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:00:18pm

i don't know if everyone paid attention to the primaries Hillary verses Obama. the Media played the same game, everytime Hillary was in a state they would say she was losing. it was a Manipulation not truth.

707 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:00:25pm
708 wolfie  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:00:27pm

Dinner is ready! BBL !
(I'll save you all some pie.............maybe.)

709 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:00:44pm

re: #700 taxfreekiller

There will be hell to pay for crossing Hillary.

Something acorn-y this way comes.

710 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:00:58pm

re: #706 willowone

i don't know if everyone paid attention to the primaries Hillary verses Obama. the Media played the same game, everytime Hillary was in a state they would say she was losing. it was a Manipulation not truth.

problem is ,,,, it WORKED

711 stuiec  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:00:59pm

re: #690 sattv4u2

Sophia Loren. "Everything you see, I owe to spaghetti."

Elizabeth Taylor. Violet eyes.

712 BBEV  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:01:06pm

re: #614 Gang of One

You know what Ploome, I have family in Mexico, my mother was born there, I lived there. Normally, I think you have some good posts, but this is over the top.
Fuck you.

I agree, Ploome are you having a bad night?

713 capitalist piglet  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:01:13pm

re: #704 Irene NYC

CP, do you have a link for that perchance? I haven't seen it yet. Thanks.

Here you go Irene:

714 El Lizardo mejicano  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:01:25pm

re: #673 wrenchwench

Mexico is an ally of the USA. They have a big problem with corruption, but apparently so does the USA. One reason I've been posting a lot of articles in the Spinoff Links that have to do with Mexico is to point out to those who are unaware, just how close and complicated the relationship between the two countries is. I realize your opinion is strongly held, and I have no chance of changing it, but you are being very rude.

RIGHT amigo(a)!
Felipe Calderon is a great ally of USA, we were close to having a Socialist in 2006, the drug cartels are very rampant in Mexico, it does not mean that all Mexico is corrupt like someone will assume, Felipe Calderon has been trying really hard to go after them, even using the Mexican ARMY, he is determined and it will take a while, Mexican people are fed up with the corruption and mainly because it's destroying our young, the cartels are fighting for the drug routes, the American people are the main demand, and they will do anything to get the drugs here, on it's path..destroying our country too..very sad indeed.

715 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:01:49pm

re: #698 godfrey

And that's another thing. I had my first taste of foie gras this past May.

Lizards.

It was incredible.

It's a luxury, yeah, and it's French, but dawg, that is good eatin. I'm reading that it's easy to prepare, too. You splurge on the front end, but then you get all this goodness for a while. I'm thinkin' about it.

Goose liver? Yuck.

/Of course I've never had it.

716 Palandine  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:02:09pm

re: #683 eon

Amen, and amen.

FWIW, in the (nonfiction) book and the movie "Into the Wild," Christopher McCandless killed a MOOSE with a .22 in Alaska. In an emergency, you can take deer with it, I'd reckon, it's just not sportsmanlike in a time that's not an emergency.

Plus, Thumper and Rocky the Flying Squirrel are plentiful and tasty, if it comes to that.

717 arethusa  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:02:19pm

Sorry if this is a repost...

Here's Palin's speech this afternoon in PA. It's great. Hope it cheers some of you up.

Frankly, I'm going to stay optimistic until the end.

718 willowone  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:02:30pm

re: #710 sattv4u2

She won vote counts, i truly believe that , delegates threatened, hanky panky as we are seeing now.
I hope that we quit trying to give up, and fight the s.o.b.s with Everything possible.

719 SagamoreGal  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:03:01pm

Watching Comcast's Sportsnet Flyers game just to see Sarah drop the puck...will let Lizards know how she was received by the crowd/players.

720 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:03:11pm
721 Spirit93  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:03:23pm

re: #706 willowone

i don't know if everyone paid attention to the primaries Hillary verses Obama. the Media played the same game, everytime Hillary was in a state they would say she was losing. it was a Manipulation not truth.

As many here noted at the time, the media treated Hillary like a republican.

No wonder she cried.

722 MellyMel  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:03:47pm

re: #693 Palandine


What gets me is how many people are buying into their lies. I had to talk my mother off the ledge today because of it. What I want to know is why so many people are so eager to throw in the towel? Fuck that -- I am ignoring the MSM and looking forward to election day -- the day John McCain WILL WIN. Of that I have no doubt.

People -- I live in Maryland in one of THE most liberal counties (Montgomery) on planet earth and this is where I see yard signs for McCain. Putting out a sign for McCain is BEGGING for your car to be keyed and possibly worse. Yet, many, many people have done so. That in and of itself speaks volumes to me about this election.

/rant off

723 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:03:51pm

BBIAW

724 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:04:17pm

re: #711 stuiec

Sophia Loren. "Everything you see, I owe to spaghetti."

Elizabeth Taylor. Violet eyes.

2 great choices , but I'll stay with mine
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725 Palandine  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:04:46pm

re: #683 eon

Oh yeah, I've got an AR-7. If you get a more recent one, where they re-worked the mags to fix the jamming problem, that's a fun little rifle. Good for backpacking. The reason I picked up the 10-22 is I wanted something with a lttle more heft to it.

726 eon  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:04:47pm

re: #693 Palandine

Ditto. Working class and agricultural. LOTS of Kerry signs last time around. Not so many Obama signs this time.

Rural people vote, in large numbers, regardless of weather or whatever. They feel it's their duty. They WILL NOT vote for a candidate in favor of infanticide (not just abortion) and crippling gun control. Won't happen.

The media are lying.

It's about half-and-half here in south central OH. Northern part of the county (Fairfield) is mainly ex-Columbusites (who moved down her to escape high taxes and a higher crime rate in the state capital, and commute to work there every day)- lots of signs for The One. Southern half (mainly farm families who have been here forever)- McCain/Palin signs everywhere. Here in Lancaster, itself, the northern part of town (upscale suburb inhabited by ex-Columbusites)- solidly O. Central part, where I live- about three McCain/Palin signs for each O sign. Southern half of town- McCain/Palin all the way.

I'm surprised that the candidates haven't been here. (O gave a speech at OU-Athens' branch campus north of town- last month.) If any place could be defined as "ground zero" in a supposedly "equally-divided" country, I'm sitting in the middle of it right this minute.

cheers

eon

727 willowone  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:04:55pm

re: #721 Spirit93

yep. although i wanted her to lose, for a few reasons, how it was done was a not just, and a warning for all people that care about our rights, and our votes

728 willowone  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:05:49pm

going upstream

729 godfrey  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:05:58pm

I love it when lizards kick the pin-ups old school.

730 Gang of One  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:06:03pm

re: #673 wrenchwench

Mexico is an ally of the USA. They have a big problem with corruption, but apparently so does the USA. One reason I've been posting a lot of articles in the Spinoff Links that have to do with Mexico is to point out to those who are unaware, just how close and complicated the relationship between the two countries is. I realize your opinion is strongly held, and I have no chance of changing it, but you are being very rude.

Wench,
I sometimes wonder just how much of an ally Mexico is, because she sure knows how to use the USA to her advantage. If it were not for the pressure valve that is our northern border, Mexico would be in constant revolt, even though it is in a constant state of internal chaos -- they have yet to resolve their problems in Chiapas, Guerrero and other states that are a hotbed of insurgency and narcopolitics. As much as I love Mexico and hold her close and dear to my heart, I cannot accept the fact that change comes too slowly and with such a high price. For every two steps Mexico takes, she takes one step backwards. I would like to seal the border for several reasons, one of them being that perhaps Mexico would have no choice but confront her demons, slay her dragons, or suffer the same cycles of political turmoil that brought about the 1910 Revolution, the Tlatelolco Massacre of 1968 and the New Year's Day Zapatista insurgency [SubCommandante Marcos's little circus].

731 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:07:22pm

re: #729 godfrey

I love it when lizards kick the pin-ups old school.

they were so much classier than todays trollups

732 stuiec  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:08:31pm

re: #707 ploome hineni

one thing to take pride in the 'land of your ancestors' without referring to it as 'my country'

I'm Jewish. By some people's standards, that does imply that I have dual loyalties.

But YOU'RE the one who made up the "my country" bullshit. That is not something anyone else said in this thread (except the person who said she went to see An American Carol "for my country"). It would be nice if you dealt with what people actually said, rather than putting words in their mouths to fit your preconceptions.

733 eon  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:10:10pm

re: #716 Palandine

In the going on 7 years I've been a "townie", I've seen more squirrels every day than I would see in a year out in the country. Rabbits are also plentiful around here.

What you don't see too many of is skinny cats. Not fat- just in shape, and well-nourished.

/probably not entirely on Little Friskies.

cheers

eon

734 cblesz  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:11:36pm

re: #703 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Fuck you, asshole.

What the hell was that for shithead. No, you go fuck yourself. I'm sorry, you do you think you misunderstood me? Jackass.

735 Palandine  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:12:23pm

re: #722 MellyMel

The Dems have a lousy candidate. Their proxies in ACORN are being noticed, and people will be watching for voter fraud. The ONLY way they can win is to suppress the Republican vote by saying it's over already. It's so transparent that the media are carrying the dems' water. They're LYING.

If a person is scared out of voting, or votes for himself or a third-party candidate, they are objectively voting for Barack Obama. And whiny little kittens that are trying to discourage Republicans and PUMAs are objectively campaigning for Obama.

We're winning. Why do you think the media are pulling out all the stops?

736 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:14:29pm

re: #734 cblesz

What the hell was that for shithead. No, you go fuck yourself. I'm sorry, you do you think you misunderstood me? Jackass.

Enjoy America...you are all a bunch of dopes.

you do the math

737 TheMatrix31  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:14:33pm

re: #477 Sharmuta

Seriously. The Hillary voters are the ones who will put us over the top.

I bet those Hillary voters are even saying they're voting for Obama, just to throw the polls off and surprise everyone.

At least I hope.

738 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:15:10pm

re: #734 cblesz

What the hell was that for shithead. No, you go fuck yourself. I'm sorry, you do you think you misunderstood me? Jackass.

Well, now, I don't agree with the "eff you", I just don't talk that way.

But, this is from your 686

Enjoy America...you are all a bunch of dopes.

so it sorta looked like you were calling everyone here a bunch of dopes.

739 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:15:24pm
740 Gang of One  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:15:32pm

re: #735 Palandine

We're winning. Why do you think the media are pulling out all the stops?

Because desperate people do desperate things. Now is when we ratchet up the heat and sharpen the blades.

741 cblesz  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:15:42pm

re: #736 sattv4u2

Enjoy America...you are all a bunch of dopes.

you do the math

Man. There are some slow readers. OK...let me be clear...the idiots that voted for Obama are dopes. Jesus...a little freaking sensitive?

742 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:15:49pm
743 Strike Hornet  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:16:52pm

re: #717 arethusa

Sorry if this is a repost...

Here's Palin's speech this afternoon in PA. It's great. Hope it cheers some of you up.

Frankly, I'm going to stay optimistic until the end.

Let's hope the Flyers fans greet her politely....or at least not with hostility...
Yikes...IMO she has been put in a tough situation at the Flyers game tonight...
But she is tough and will survive no matter what...

744 cblesz  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:17:08pm

re: #738 reine.de.tout

so it sorta looked like you were calling everyone here a bunch of dopes.

Quite the opposite. I respect everyone here as I assume they are not voting for Obama. Jeepers...apologize for the confusion...

745 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:17:33pm

re: #741 cblesz

Man. There are some slow readers. OK...let me be clear...the idiots that voted for Obama are dopes. Jesus...a little freaking sensitive?

No, your comment was a little freaking unclear.

746 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:18:30pm

re: #744 cblesz

re: #745 reine.de.tout

We posted at the same time.
Your comment was unclear. I've seen you around and figured you didn't mean what it looked like. But the other guy is new, and didn't know .. .

747 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:19:06pm
748 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:19:11pm

re: #741 cblesz

Man. There are some slow readers. OK...let me be clear...the idiots that voted for Obama are dopes. Jesus...a little freaking sensitive?

SUGGESTION ,, when you want people here to read your mind, let us know and we'll put on our Karnak outfit
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749 Gang of One  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:19:13pm

Is it me, or have we begun to let our angst over this election cause us to snap at our friends here in Lizardia in unseemly and untypical ways?

750 cblesz  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:19:21pm

re: #746 reine.de.tout

re: #745 reine.de.tout

We posted at the same time.
Your comment was unclear. I've seen you around and figured you didn't mean what it looked like. But the other guy is new, and didn't know .. .


Thanks. Whew...I am a bit upset over the whole election and may have rambled...

751 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:19:41pm
752 sagamoregal  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:19:56pm

If anyone booed Gov Palin in the Wachovia Center during the ceremonial puck drop, no one heard it. When did the NHL become as cheesy and brash as the NBA with all of the smoke, loud music, and '80's lighting?

Sarah (gorgeous in jeans, high-heeled boots, and a chic button jacket), older daughter who's not pregnant (sorry , can't remember her name) and the most adorable little kid on the planet in her Flyers jersey (Piper) all dropped the puck. Sarah got a hug from the Rangers captain but not from the Flyers' captain.

Time to turn off one of the most non-American sports around (sorry Canucks and snowbird LGF'ers but America's game is being played out now by the Phillies & Dodgers - and those two teams in the American League.)

753 Gang of One  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:20:17pm

re: #750 cblesz

Thanks. Whew...I am a bit upset over the whole election and may have rambled...

I guess you answered my #749.

754 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:20:31pm

re: #749 Gang of One

Is it me, or have we begun to let our angst over this election cause us to snap at our friends here in Lizardia in unseemly and untypical ways?

bingo. I have seen more of that this past 10-14 days than ever before

755 cblesz  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:20:50pm

re: #752 sagamoregal

If anyone booed Gov Palin in the Wachovia Center during the ceremonial puck drop, no one heard it. When did the NHL become as cheesy and brash as the NBA with all of the smoke, loud music, and '80's lighting?

Sarah (gorgeous in jeans, high-heeled boots, and a chic button jacket), older daughter who's not pregnant (sorry , can't remember her name) and the most adorable little kid on the planet in her Flyers jersey (Piper) all dropped the puck. Sarah got a hug from the Rangers captain but not from the Flyers' captain.

Time to turn off one of the most non-American sports around (sorry Canucks and snowbird LGF'ers but America's game is being played out now by the Phillies & Dodgers - and those two teams in the American League.)


damnit, i missed it! So, it was cool? Applause?

756 stuiec  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:21:00pm

re: #724 sattv4u2

No rule restricts you to just one fantasy, you know.

For my own part, I am an equal opportunity lecher.

Beyoncé Knowles.

Aishwarya Rai.

Jessica Alba.

Gillian Chung.

Among the millions upon millions of reasons to be grateful to be alive.

757 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:21:51pm

re: #752 sagamoregal

When did the NHL become as cheesy and brash as the NBA with all of the smoke, loud music, and '80's lighting?


When Gary Bettman became the commish. His previous job was #2 man in the NBA

758 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:23:04pm

re: #742 taxfreekiller

#714

Your heart is good, you understand 1/2 of the drug problem is here with the demand, and it is the Democrats and the loon left who are 90% of the users, they too lust for your illegals to leave Mexico and work here so they can vote for the commie Democats here in the U.S..

The good people in Mexico have few good choices, 100 years of the same rich families owning everything has caused the good people to want to leave and find a life somewhere else. At one time there were ways for them and the U.S. to find enough work for all, but the commie Democrats in the unions took the union wages to high and broke all the heavy unionized work places, as you see with GM and Chrysler.

Now the elites in Mexico and the elites here in the U.S. pit you and others from Mexico against we remaing loyal Americans. In fact of the matter you and the good people in America and Mexico should band together and end it there and here at the same time.

Much more can be done working together than split up like we are.

so say tfk, member of the Minute Man Org. , Numbers U.S.A., Federation for Immigration Control, and descendant of Mangus Colorados an Apache chief who fought and lost the first unlimited illegal immigration from Mexico.

fair is fair, so say some

TFK, I think that's maybe the first thing of yours that I've completely understood, and it was great, just great.

US citizens who self-identify as citizens/residents of another country, as El Lizardo mejicano did with his nic and with his post # 539, are a mystery to me. I don't get it.

Either we are good enough for citizens to proudly say, I'm a US citizen, an El Lizardo americano, or we're not. And if we're not, they why are people here?

At any rate, El Lizardo - we will have to get to know you a little better, I think.

759 cblesz  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:23:05pm

re: #757 sattv4u2

When did the NHL become as cheesy and brash as the NBA with all of the smoke, loud music, and '80's lighting?


When Gary Bettman became the commish. His previous job was #2 man in the NBA


He's bad...but remember John Ziegler? Oy

760 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:23:37pm

re: #751 ploome hineni

hi touts

hiya, ploome.
I'm with ya on El Lizardo mejicano. could just as easily have been "El Lizardo americano"

761 Gang of One  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:23:42pm

re: #754 sattv4u2

bingo. I have seen more of that this past 10-14 days than ever before

I would hate to think that all this is part of the 'Rat plan to get us to eat our own ... we're better than that, no?

762 stuiec  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:24:04pm

re: #739 ploome hineni

And again: what is your problem with what he said? If he'd said he was Italian, Irish, or French, would you be going off on him?

763 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:24:18pm

re: #759 cblesz

He's bad...but remember John Ziegler? Oy

youngster

I remember Clarence Cambell. I remember a 6 team league!

764 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:24:46pm

re: #761 Gang of One

I would hate to think that all this is part of the 'Rat plan to get us to eat our own ... we're better than that, no?

we're better than that, yes

765 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:24:56pm

re: #749 Gang of One

Is it me, or have we begun to let our angst over this election cause us to snap at our friends here in Lizardia in unseemly and untypical ways?

Not you.
Everyone is on edge, I think.
The "polls" show Obama is up.
But I don't think McCain is necessarily "down".
We have to wait, and we have to do what we can do.

766 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:25:10pm

re: #742 taxfreekiller

A fine post, tfk.

767 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:28:29pm
768 Strike Hornet  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:28:47pm

re: #752 sagamoregal

If anyone booed Gov Palin in the Wachovia Center during the ceremonial puck drop, no one heard it. When did the NHL become as cheesy and brash as the NBA with all of the smoke, loud music, and '80's lighting?

Sarah (gorgeous in jeans, high-heeled boots, and a chic button jacket), older daughter who's not pregnant (sorry , can't remember her name) and the most adorable little kid on the planet in her Flyers jersey (Piper) all dropped the puck. Sarah got a hug from the Rangers captain but not from the Flyers' captain.

Time to turn off one of the most non-American sports around (sorry Canucks and snowbird LGF'ers but America's game is being played out now by the Phillies & Dodgers - and those two teams in the American League.)

So...were you able to get a sense of whether they liked her or didn't, or was it a case of them not even recognizing her presence?

769 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:31:20pm

re: #752 sagamoregal

but America's game is being played out now by the Phillies & Dodgers

not till tomorrow

Red Sox/ Rays starts soon though

770 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:32:59pm

re: #717 arethusa

There is not one line of that speech that will it the MSM, I'd venture to say. Not one.

771 yesandno  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:33:23pm

Wonder if removing NK from the terrorist list is part and parcel of attempting to bring stability to a state that might be on the verge of a power struggle once KJI is determined to be unfit for office (actually that happened years ago, but really, medically unfit.)? There is instability everywhere and somehow someone needs to get a handle on something that can be controlled. Maybe this is the place to start?

/na...it is still a nuclear threat lead by a two bit dictator who has sold nuclear secrets to terrorist states...call a terrorist a terrorist then hunt him down and destroy him.

772 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:33:33pm

re: #767 ploome hineni

actually, it is only the Mexicanos that want to take over California, Arizona Texas

and who have more thn 10% of their workforce here illegally, bankrupting and debasing our hospitals, schools and overloading our prisons

Mexico is no friend to America

America is the Mexican dump site

And those folks are aided and abetted by their Gov't to get here illegally.

773 stuiec  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:34:55pm

re: #767 ploome hineni

actually, it is only the Mexicanos that want to take over California, Arizona Texas

and who have more thn 10% of their workforce here illegally, bankrupting and debasing our hospitals, schools and overloading our prisons

Mexico is no friend to America

America is the Mexican dump site

Then before you start trashing someone for being part of the illegal Mexican immigrant problem, why don't you find out whether he is, in fact, part of that problem, or merely someone expressing pride in his heritage?

(And as much of a problem illegal Mexican immigration is for America, I still think as a nation, Iran, Syria, North Korea and a few others rank well above Mexico in the danger to America list.)

774 gregg  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:36:06pm

Unfortunately, here in my part of St Paul, I would say the Obama signs outnumber McCain something like 75 to 1 (seriously). The one McCain sign I saw last night was kicked in. The lady that parks in the stall next to me has five Obama stickers on her car.

I'm not trying to be negative, it's like that every election cycle. Maybe I need to find a better neighborhood.

775 El Lizardo mejicano  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:37:29pm

re: #760 reine.de.tout

hiya, ploome.
I'm with ya on El Lizardo mejicano. could just as easily have been "El Lizardo americano"


I am here in peace, I did not come here to insult anyone, the "nic" was never intended to offend anybody, I think that some people are watching too much of the MSM lately..

I am NOT "THAT ONE" you have to worry about, there are plenty of democrats/socialists you need to worry about..

Nice to meet you too.

776 BBEV  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:37:31pm

re: #737 TheMatrix31

I bet those Hillary voters are even saying they're voting for Obama, just to throw the polls off and surprise everyone.

At least I hope.

I know a couple of woman that are saying just that. One is my Mom.

777 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:38:14pm
778 red131  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:38:34pm

re: #442 opnion

Throw in the 'economic terrorism' and you wonder how long these socialists have been planning this. Is this all coming together like aperfect stome for them?

779 nyc redneck  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:38:45pm

re: #617 kansas

Man At Palin Rally Displays Monkey Doll Donning Obama Sticker

19,999 did not.

there was something off abt. that guy. sneaking acting, guilty looking.
weirdo.

780 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:39:01pm
781 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:39:03pm

re: #774 gregg

thats not unusual for a large city. I suggest a drive to suburbia, or even further out. I work in Atlanta. As Red of a state as Georgia is, Obama signs outnumber McCain ones IN Atlanta 10-1

I live about 25 miles outside of the city limits. McCain signs ounumber Obama at least 50 - 1 there

782 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:40:20pm

re: #779 nyc redneck

there was something off abt. that guy. sneaking acting, guilty looking.
weirdo.

Howard Dean was there?

783 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:40:52pm
784 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:41:28pm

re: #783 ploome hineni

....do you know what Mejico does with people entering their country illegally?

donkey sex industry?


BAD SATT ,, BAD BAD BAD !

785 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:42:06pm

re: #784 sattv4u2

donkey sex industry?


BAD SATT ,, BAD BAD BAD !

there is something seriously wrong with me !

hehehehehehe

786 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:42:30pm

re: #775 El Lizardo mejicano

I am here in peace, I did not come here to insult anyone, the "nic" was never intended to offend anybody, I think that some people are watching too much of the MSM lately..

I am NOT "THAT ONE" you have to worry about, there are plenty of democrats/socialists you need to worry about..

Nice to meet you too.

Like I said, we need to get to know you.

Many of us are wary of US citizens who appear to have greater pride or liking for somewhere else.

My neighbors are Mexican, here legally, not citizens - when a tree fell in our yard during a recent storm, they were the first ones over here checking to be sure we were OK.

My "problem" is with those folks who are citizens embarrassed by this country, instead of proud to be a US citizen.

787 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:43:19pm

re: #784 sattv4u2

donkey sex industry?


BAD SATT ,, BAD BAD BAD !

do you realize how often you have to do that to yourself LOL?

788 BBEV  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:43:24pm

re: #785 sattv4u2

there is something seriously wrong with me !

hehehehehehe

Dude we all know that already :-0
We just say it behind your back.

789 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:43:54pm

re: #786 reine.de.tout

My "problem" is with those folks who are citizens embarrassed by this country, instead of proud to be a US citizen

MICHELLE OBAMA ,,,,, PAGING MICHELLE OBAMA !

790 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:44:22pm

re: #788 BBEV

Dude we all know that already :-0
We just say it behind your back.

ahhh ,, talking to my good side ,! smart !

791 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:44:24pm

re: #783 ploome hineni

....do you know what Mejico does with people entering their country illegally?

They do exactly what they beg us NOT to do with their own citizens that they have helped and aided to get here illegally.

792 BBEV  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:45:08pm

re: #790 sattv4u2

ahhh ,, talking to my good side ,! smart !

Oh shit, that's funny

793 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:45:58pm

re: #789 sattv4u2

My "problem" is with those folks who are citizens embarrassed by this country, instead of proud to be a US citizen

MICHELLE OBAMA ,,,,, PAGING MICHELLE OBAMA !

YES YES YES YES YES!
Exactly, she is the #1 person right now embarrassed by this country.
Can you believe?
I'd like to see her try to live the life she lives here anywhere else in the world. It wouldn't happen, just wouldn't.

794 Gang of One  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:46:03pm

re: #783 ploome hineni

....do you know what Mejico does with people entering their country illegally?

Yeah, I do. I spent several days in a Mexico City jail cell with one. What's your point besides trashing Mexico and a new poster?

795 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:46:34pm
796 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:47:37pm

re: #795 ploome hineni

is there something in there that talks about the donkey sex trade?

797 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:47:40pm

re: #777 ploome hineni

yes, that's the book I was thinking about!

798 gregg  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:48:20pm

re: #781 sattv4u2

The upside to my neighborhood is that I'm in walking distance of more than a dozen bars. That could come in handy after November (to be honest, it already comes in handy).

799 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:49:46pm

re: #798 gregg

The upside to my neighborhood is that I'm in walking distance of more than a dozen bars. That could come in handy after November (to be honest, it already comes in handy).

When I lived in Bostson (South Boston for a time) we had a neighborhhod bar on each and every block!

(hey ,, what can I say , we had small neighborhoods!)

800 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:50:34pm

re: #798 gregg

re: #799 sattv4u2

When I lived in Bostson (South Boston for a time) we had a neighborhhod bar on each and every block!

(hey ,, what can I say , we had small neighborhoods!)

and VERY freindly neighbors!

801 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:51:11pm
802 El Lizardo mejicano  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:51:49pm

re: #786 reine.de.tout

Like I said, we need to get to know you.

Many of us are wary of US citizens who appear to have greater pride or liking for somewhere else.

My neighbors are Mexican, here legally, not citizens - when a tree fell in our yard during a recent storm, they were the first ones over here checking to be sure we were OK.

My "problem" is with those folks who are citizens embarrassed by this country, instead of proud to be a US citizen.

I did not subscribe to this great blog to be insulted or to attack anyone around here, I came in peace as I stated before, I am a proud to be an American living in the greatest country in the world, if anyone wants to attack me or mock me for being a Mexican go ahead..show you great intellect..OUR country is about to be taken over by a Socialist and you are worried that I am not American enough..how pity.

803 BBEV  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:53:22pm

re: #795 ploome hineni

Why are you so pissed off, we are all from someplace else. I can understand if they are here illegally and with that I can understand your anger. My Grand Dad was from Italy may wife's Father was from Greece and my Moms family came over on the Mayflower. I am proud of my heritage but I am a red blooded American

804 Gang of One  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:53:23pm

re: #795 ploome hineni

And with money, the dog dances. Mexico, like all other sovereign nations has the right to deny immigration or resident alien status to whomever. In order to get myself legal there, I had to jump through a number of hoops, get a decent immigration lawyer and prove I was not a deadbeat. It is no secret that there is a screaming problem with the USA's laxity in enforcing her immigration laws, but why do you persist in hocking the chainek about this?

805 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:53:27pm

re: #801 ploome hineni

QUESTION.

I have lived in Atlanta for 10 years. I was born and raised in Boston (lived there for most of 45 years). I call Boston my "hometown'.

thoughts

806 Throbert McGee  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:54:07pm

re: #610 ploome hineni

when someone is an American citizen, and talks about Mexico as 'my country'...I want to know why he is here

I don't see why this is such a mystifying turn of phrase.

Immigrants from non-anglophone countries who don't come to the U.S. until adolescence or later may speak English with conspicuous foreign accents for the rest of their lives. (Which is, I will say very f*cking emphatically, an entirely separate matter from speaking English "well" -- you can speak English as a Second Language with perfect fluency, be quite capable of producing written English at a post-graduate level*, and still have a strong "foreign accent.")

And immigrants with strongly accented English will, inevitably, get used to hearing "Where are you from?" So after a few dozen iterations of:

"Oh, I cong fro' New Jork, but I juice to leeb een Tesas!"**

"No, I meant, like, where are your parents from?"

...it may become second nature to just skip the rigamarole and say "I'm Bolivian," or whatever.

Nothing odd about it, in short, and to hint that it's somehow indicative of disloyalty to the USA is just incredibly rude.

* P.S. When I say "written English at the post-grad level," I'm talking about (say) mid-20th-century standards.

** The phonetic spelling isn't meant to belittle anyone's English, truly -- I mean, you should've seen some of the looks I got in Moscow every time I opened my mouth... after four years of college Russian. (Some sounds are just really hard to articulate if you didn't grow up hearing and speaking them.)

807 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:54:20pm

re: #805 sattv4u2

QUESTION.

I have lived in Atlanta for 10 years. I was born and raised in Boston (lived there for most of 45 years). I call Boston my "hometown'.

thoughts

((( WOW ,, that was pretty lucid, if I do say so myself!)

808 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 11, 2008 4:54:29pm