He's not welcome here.

Ass.

Chomsky: This Sarah Palin phenomenon is very curious. I think somebody watching us from Mars, they would think the country has gone insane.

Funny- that's what I think except it's the 0bama phenomenon I find insane.

Up yours, Noam.

With all due respect.

Well, it's true we are delirious for Sarah!

Numb Chumpsky

Arrrr, Mars intelligence has determined that Chomsky is insane! Mars will invade tonight!

re: #1 Noam Sayin'

He's not welcome here.

Talking about your sock puppet, Noam? Say it ain't so!
;)

That, from Chomsky? Surely, he has misplaced his own identity

Oh, and people fawning over Obama is completely sensible?

Where are the quote/ital/strike/etc buttons?

Charlie Weiss sucks and ND has to fire him and soon.

C'mere CHOMPsky, give us your gamy ones.

re: #11 Cognito

Where are the quote/ital/strike/etc buttons?

Top of the text entry window...

Oh. There they are.

re: #14 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Mine had disappeared for a few minutes there...

re: #16 Cognito

Mine had disappeared for a few minutes there...

Good... I'm not the only one drinking here ;-)

SPIEGEL: But is it correct to only put the blame on Wall Street? Doesn't Main Street, the American middle class, also live on borrowed money which may or may not be paid back?

Chomsky: The debt burden of private households is enormous. But I would not hold the individual responsible. This consumerism is based on the fact that we are a society dominated by business interests. There is massive propaganda for everyone to consume. Consumption is good for profits and consumption is good for the political establishment.

And there you have it.

I am constantly amazed that so many of my younger professional colleagues think that Chomsky is some kind of genius. I've never heard/read a rational thought emanating from him...

Needless to say, we don't discuss politics...

KBO

"One must not forget that this country was founded by religious fanatics."
--Noam Chomsky, Public Intellectual
/

SPIEGEL: “Change” is the slogan of this year’s presidential election. Do you see any chance for an immediate, tangible change in the United States? Or, to use use Obama’s battle cry: Are you "fired up”?

Chomsky: Not in the least. The European reaction to Obama is a European delusion.

OMG- I agree with Chumpsky on something.

Soros has demonstrably funded both Obama and McCain. Chomsky is not a friendly, but let's address the issue. We can't have R and D both sucking from the same teat and expect to have free market ideas win.

Chomsky, lost in his own mind for thirty years, poor chump, but he got this right:

Chomsky: In one aspect he [McCain] is more honest than his opponent. He explicitly states that this election is not about issues but about personalities. The Democrats are not quite as honest even though they see it the same way.

Maybe that's a bit optimistic, the Democrats pretend it's about personality instead of issues, but really it's about dogma, and a suitable empty suit as a figurehead. Chomsky should be thrilled.

re: #20 jaunte

"One must not forget that this country was founded by religious fanatics."
--Noam Chomsky, Public Intellectual
/

Most things were founded by fanatics. Complacent peoples are well complacent.

Noam can ES&D.

Martians wouldn't have a problem with Obomba, evidently. So they're basically Europeans I guess.

Europeans romanticize "black America" and have since Josephine Baker. Now, they recognize Obama as both black and a Eurosocialist. Who can expect anything other than a collective groan of jouissance from them?

OT - but not really cuz all these education radicals are connected

Powerline's got some great quotes up from Ayers giving a speech Hugo Chavez in Columbia (not the university, the country):

[M]y comrade and friend Luis Bonilla, a brilliant educator and inspiring fighter for justice … has taught me a great deal about the Bolivarian Revolution [i.e., Chavez's movement] and about the profound educational reforms underway here in Venezuela under the leadership of President Chavez. We share the belief that education is the motor-force of revolution, and I’ve come to appreciate Luis as a major asset in both the Venezuelan and the international struggle—I look forward to seeing how he and all of you continue to overcome the failings of capitalist education as you seek to create something truly new and deeply humane….

[I’ve] learned that education is never neutral. It always has a value, a position, a politics. Education either reinforces or challenges the existing social order, and school is always a contested space—what should be taught? In what way? Toward what end? By and for whom? ...

Venezuelans have shown the world that with full participation, full inclusion, and popular empowerment, the failing of capitalist schooling can be resisted and overcome. … [W]e, too, must build a project of radical imagination and fundamental change. Venezuela is poised to offer the world a new model of education—a humanizing and revolutionary model whose twin missions are enlightenment and liberation.

It's not inconceivable that Obama could appoint him Secretary of Education.
*spit*

At least our Noam knows something about what he's sayin'.

This seems appropriate...

I'm not going to post on this thread, so you all can say things like, "Fuck off, Noam" and not have to explain you're not talking about me.

Chomsky: That is all rhetoric. Who cares about that? This whole election campaign deals with soaring rhetoric, hope, change, all sorts of things, but not with issues.

Who is this guy and what did they do with Chomsky?

re: #28 Irene NYC

It's not inconceivable that Obama could appoint him Secretary of Education.
*spit*

With a Dem majority in Congress, therefore committees, that is a frightening possibility.

Does American really want One Party rule?

re: #31 Noam Sayin'

I'm not going to post on this thread, so you all can say things like, "Fuck off, Noam" and not have to explain you're not talking about me.

LOL!
/see my #29

re: #31 Noam Sayin'

I'm not going to post on this thread, so you all can say things like, "Fuck off, Noam" and not have to explain you're not talking about me.

Get the fuck outta here, Noam. We want to be able to say "Fuck off, Noam"

Here's the best part of the interview:

SPIEGEL: Professor Chomsky, we thank you for this interview.

I don't get why leftists like using the "if someone from Mars was observing us" hypothesis. Is Mars supposed to be held up as some kind of example of the democratic ideal, where all citizens are equally well-informed, Martian media is completely objective with no filters imposed to suit the interests of big business, and, best of all as far as Chomsky is concerned, no Israeli influence on Martian foreign policy?

Anyone ever hear Chomsky speak? The guy is out there big time!

re: #37 SteveBrandon

The "Mars" thing is a way to seize the ground of objectivity without claiming it explicitly.

In short, another Leftist lie.

re: #26 Salem

Martians wouldn't have a problem with Obomba, evidently. So they're basically Europeans I guess.

Nope. They'd just figure it was time to send in the cylinders full of war machines to do the Martian Hop Stomp on us, on the grounds that we would have a chief executive who was officially more of an a$$ than Jack Nicholson in Mars Attacks!

As for Chomsky, he's apparently been an a$$ longer than I've been alive. And that's saying something.

cheers

eon

Martian Outsider Pose™

re: #37 SteveBrandon

I don't get why leftists like using the "if someone from Mars was observing us" hypothesis. Is Mars supposed to be held up as some kind of example of the democratic ideal, where all citizens are equally well-informed, Martian media is completely objective with no filters imposed to suit the interests of big business, and, best of all as far as Chomsky is concerned, no Israeli influence on Martian foreign policy?

Traditionally, leftists were utopians and used omniscience (God-like knowledge, etc.) to make their systems work. This is like a pathetic reworking of that.

Seriously.

re: #37 SteveBrandon

I don't get why leftists like using the "if someone from Mars was observing us" hypothesis. Is Mars supposed to be held up as some kind of example of the democratic ideal, where all citizens are equally well-informed, Martian media is completely objective with no filters imposed to suit the interests of big business, and, best of all as far as Chomsky is concerned, no Israeli influence on Martian foreign policy?

Mars can be whatever you (the user) want it to be.

I wonder how his investments are doing?

Chomsky:

Chomsky: The debt burden of private households is enormous. But I would not hold the individual responsible.

This is the view of an ass.

re: #12 Nevergiveup

Charlie Weiss sucks and ND has to fire him and soon.

Bah. He's not bad for the Irish. If you want bad, look at Rodriguez at the UofM. They just lost to Toledo. Meanwhile, MSU rolled over formerly unbeaten Northwestern. :-)

Who the fuck cares what this person thinks?

re: #45 godfrey

Chomsky:

This is the view of an ass.

Actually, he just doesn't believe in individuals as actors. It's always the people - as in the "Palestinian people." Typical leftist.

Why does anyone even ask Noam "The Fake Indian" Chumpsky his opinion on anything anyway? He's got a proven track record as an asshole and a liar.

re: #46 Honorary Yooper

Bah. He's not bad for the Irish. If you want bad, look at Rodriguez at the UofM. They just lost to Toledo. Meanwhile, MSU rolled over formerly unbeaten Northwestern. :-)

They just lost that football powerhouse UNC?

re: #18 Cognito

Classic Chomsky.

Leftists are just weird. weirod.
They cannot see just how nuts they are for backing Obama.

re: #47 TheMatrix31

Who the fuck cares what this person thinks?

Actually, he incites a lot of people and carries a lot of sway with academics, revolutionaries, professionals and lots of others. They care so we should care cuz ya gotta know your enemy.

re: #48 Irene NYC

Right, and this view suffuses all his commentary. To Chomsky, you're just a rube, a pawn, and eventually a shill. Is it any wonder people regard him as a pompous ass?

...and what would Martians think of a one term empty-suit senator with a dump truck full of America-hating friends and most of his money coming from overseas America-haters being one of the major party candidates?

re: #49 Honorary Yooper

Why does anyone even ask Noam "The Fake Indian" Chumpsky his opinion on anything anyway? He's got a proven track record as an asshole and a liar.

He must have joined Churchill's pretend tribe.

re: #47 TheMatrix31

You should care. This guy is an "influential."

re: #45 godfrey

It's the view of a socialist. Individuals who live without the protection of a Socialist nanny state should be pittied for being pawns of the capitalist system.

re: #55 Shay4l

...and what would Martians think of a one term empty-suit senator with a dump truck full of America-hating friends and most of his money coming from overseas America-haters being one of the major party candidates?

Time to warm up the invasion ships?

Video link to interview......

Guys,
I am getting frightened. I was over on Lucianne.com a while ago today and they had a two-thread comment section on this voter fraud mess. Some of the posters over there are so angry that they want to postpone the elections, thinking that would give the FBI time to investigate or something. Worse, many are so angry that the veiled threats are starting to fly about civil disobedience if Obama wins narrowly and they think fraud is the cause. We really really need to be careful. Some among us who are a little undisciplined and upset might take that too seriously, and if a pot-shot is taken at the democrat nominee we could all be for enormous trouble. We cannot give the dems the excuse they want to shut down free speech on the Internet.
If the worst happens and Obama wins with a big democrat majority, we will need forums like this to oppose and expose them, while we use the courts to try and block their agenda on constitutional grounds. WORK within the system we have, or we will surely LOSE it.

I think somebody watching us from Mars, they would think the country has gone insane.

Umm, Chompsky, (Gator Fan spelling) who or whom might that "someboby" be? Talking of the candy bar, maybe? You speak of the Mars rover?

re: #55 Shay4l

...and what would Martians think of a one term empty-suit senator with a dump truck full of America-hating friends and most of his money coming from overseas America-haters being one of the major party candidates?

"The Earthlings really are stupid enough to conquer. No, never mind conquest- all we have to do is come up with a photogenic fool of our own with some Messianic doubletalk, and in six months we'll own the place!"

cheers

eon

Chomsky has an interesting point. Why should humans consume? Better we dig our toes into the soil, wrinkle them in deep and draw up nutrients. Spread our arms, put forth leaves, and produce our own food from sunshine.

That way, we're not distracted from essential linguistic musing by our appetite.

Changing topic, Ayers and Ugo Chavez and so on are right about the importance of education. Education is indeed the motor of revolution. You have to trash education, replacing it with political indoctrination, in order to bring off a revolution that sequesters power in the hands of a usurping elite. The people won't go for it if they catch on to what's afoot.

"...former Alaskan beauty queen?" asked the reporter from former Nazi Germany.

Chomsky: This Sarah Palin phenomenon is very curious. I think somebody watching us from Mars, they would think the country has gone insane.

That's interesting- I wonder if they edited this comment. Does he think it's insane the people are freaking out over her, or that we like her? What exactly does he mean by this? His credentials would have me guess it's a slam at Palin, but the rest of the interview makes me wonder if it's a slam at PDS sufferers.

Having read this article, I've decided I would rather Chomsky win the cage death match with Der Spiegel.

Chomsky:

Chomsky: James Madison’s position at the Constitutional Convention was that state power should be used "to protect the minority of the opulent against the majority." That is why the Senate has only a hundred members who are mostly rich and were given a great deal of power. The House of Representatives, with several hundred members, is more democratic and was given much less power. Even liberals like Walter Lippmann, one of the leading intellectuals of the 20th century, was of the opinion that in a properly functioning democracy, the intelligent minority, who should rule, have to be protected from “the trampling and the roar of the bewildered herd.” Among the conservatives, Vice President Dick Cheney just recently illustrated his understanding of democracy. He was asked why he supports a continuation of the war in Iraq when the population is strongly opposed. His answer was: “So?”

There is so much half-truth and mendacity in that paragraph, it's difficult to know where to begin. This is how Chomsky operates.

re: #50 Nevergiveup

They just lost that football powerhouse UNC?

Well, yeah. They didn't look so hot today.

Still, compared with previous seasons, not too shabby. I'd like to see the Irish get someone like Holtz (or better) again, but Notre Dame is (rightly) not willing to lower its academic standards, so sadly it doesn't get the best players.

re: #61 sojerofgod

The right is rapidly descending into insanity.

Krist, he hasn't given up the ghost yet?

Palin rose ON HER OWN to become the first female governor of Alaska, the youngest gov of Alaska and currently the most popular gov. in the US. with an approval rating of 80%.

Obama rose to power by nullifying the completion, ballot rigging and acting like a thug while immersing himself in the Chicago machine politics including alliances with domestic terrorists and the hate monger Rev Right.

How can anyone not see the difference here. Palin has achieved a great deal while raising a family. THAT IS THE PALIN PHENOMENON.

How can this be curious Chomsky? Americans love success when it is DONE WITH HARD WORK AND HONESTY THE PALIN WAY.

Only Moonbats fail to see the difference and are blind to Obama's slime ACORN thugocracy.

I agree with him. National insanity? Sure, Germany probably is insane, left over from.... Oh, wait, never mind.

re: #61 sojerofgod

I fail to see why one side of the body politic is allowed to be stark raving mad, while the other side is supposed to mind its manners. Like begets like.

re: #49 Honorary Yooper

Why does anyone even ask Noam "The Fake Indian" Chumpsky his opinion on anything anyway? He's got a proven track record as an asshole and a liar.

I think you have your loony-left perfessers confused. The fake indian guy is Churchill, who was finally fired by U. of Colorado last year. Ch0msky is the geriatric kook from MIT who considers even the extreme left wing of the D party right wingers.

"I think somebody watching us from Mars, they would think the country has gone insane."

May be the first thing he's ever said that I would find hard to argue with.

re: #61 sojerofgod

The lucianne folks and the freepers tend to be wound a little tight. If the worst happens, I fully expect the right to behave nobly and legally.

/I wish I had the same certitude about the left.

re: #69 Killgore Trout

The right is rapidly descending into insanity.

That's ok, I could use the company.

re: #33 godfrey

With a Dem majority in Congress, therefore committees, that is a frightening possibility.

Does American really want One Party rule?

No, America does not.

The scary thing, though, is that Noam Chomsky would rather that the two-party system consist of the Democrats and Hezbollah.

Tenure, like a gerrymandered safe congressional district, produces unforeseen negative results.

re: #69 Killgore Trout

The right is rapidly descending into insanity.

Insanity isn't all it's cracked up to be.

Here I am writing a philosophy paper on 'Dignity' and stumble upon this feckless lump of horse shit known as "The Cumpsky."

Academics consider him among the great thinkers. Try this little concluding gem stone of "knowledge."

Chomsky: The American society has become more civilized, largely as a result of the activism of the 1960s. Our society, and also Europe's, became freer, more open, more democratic, and for many quite scary. This generation was condemned for that. But it had an effect.

I guess he missed the part about calling returning warriors murderers, and the political ethos of hate that Liberals now wears with pride

i wouldn't use the term insanity, there are damn good reasons to really be piss'd off, the msm, the lies of Obama team. the threats to our rights of free speech.
saying that, yes we need to be allowed to be angry but use it wisely through courts and information to defeat him if He wins.

The right is rapidly descending into insanity.

Cool.
When we get down there, the left can show us around.

re: #79 jaunte

Tenure, like a gerrymandered safe congressional district, produces unforeseen negative results.

Can I have that quote for the ROFLMAO section of the cookbook?

It's a section of collected fun and wisdom.

re: #69 Killgore Trout

Well, hysteria anyway. I know a lot of conservatives are upset, we have had a leg up in government since Bush's election and don't like the idea of losing it. I think that was very over-rated anyway: Bush never was truly "of" the conservative movement. The 1994 repubs were a bigger disappointment to me. Official Washington co-opted them, like a virus, until they were just as bad as democrats on spending.
We are the ones who are supposed to support the government and constitution as written. It would be an awful thing for the movement to be the ones to break the peace.

re: #61 sojerofgod

WORK within the system we have, or we will surely LOSE it.

Or put it back on track more quickly?

didn't anyone see Mars Attacks!?
the martians would laugh at intellectual chumps like Chomsky, just before vaporizing them.

re: #76 Palandine

The lucianne folks and the freepers tend to be wound a little tight. If the worst happens, I fully expect the right to behave nobly and legally.

/I wish I had the same certitude about the left.

I'm not THAT noble. If I think the vote was stolen, it's war. This is not 1960 and I am not Richard Nixon.

re: #80 JCM

Yeah, very few crazy people seem happy but the voices in my head tell me jokes.

re: #84 reine.de.tout

Sure, if you want, but it's not really that good. Needs a little more spice.

Chomsky:

The American society has become more civilized, largely as a result of the activism of the 1960s.

Right. That would be the "activism" of Ayers?

Somebody ask Chomsky what he thinks of WU's methods.

If only Chomsky were that somebody watching this from Mars.

re: #61 sojerofgod

The Lucianne forum is vastly inferior to this one. Posters get to post anything they want, without rebuttal, since you only get one post per thread. I post there as well, under the same nic. I don't go there so much anymore. BS has a much shorter half-life here.

re: #73 aaron

Well, I don't mean we have to be polite: In fact most conservatives are way too polite to democrats, and they pay for that. Riots and threats against individuals is quite another thing though.

re: #69 Killgore Trout

The right is rapidly descending into insanity.

The Right is slowly catching up to the insanity of the Left. But somehow the Left manages to stay two steps ahead in that regard.

It's not as though the Angry Right phenomenon hasn't happened before. I was a member of the Angry Right in the 1990s, only back then they called us "Angry White Men" -- remember?

re: #90 jaunte

Sure, if you want, but it's not really that good. Needs a little more spice.

I thought it was perfect. Short, sweet, to the point, said it all.

re: #96 reine.de.tout

Aw, shucks.

We've come to a point where every four years this national fever rises up — this hunger for the Saviour, the White Knight, the Man on Horseback — and whoever wins becomes so immensely powerful, like Nixon is now, that when you vote for President today you're talking about giving a man dictatorial power for four years. I think it might be better to have the President sort of like the King of England — or the Queen — and have the real business of the presidency conducted by... a City Manager-type, a Prime Minister, somebody who's directly answerable to Congress, rather than a person who moves all his friends into the White House and does whatever he wants for four years. The whole framework of the presidency is getting out of hand. It's come to the point where you almost can't run unless you can cause people to salivate and whip each other with big sticks. You almost have to be a rock star to get the kind of fever you need to survive in American politics.

--Hunter S. Thompson, "Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail"

The notion that so many people hold this Stalinist cretin in such high regard makes me want to punch someone while crying.

re: #96 reine.de.tout

Now, see I like ZK273's #99 quote better!

re: #99 ZK273

The notion that so many people hold this Stalinist cretin in such high regard makes me want to punch someone while crying.

By any chance do you have a carry permit?

re: #85 sojerofgod

I'm not ready to concede the election until November 5.

BUT, if the messiah wins...

I remember people calling into Rush Limbaugh in 1992 when Clinton won. They were heartbroken--he was positive. One, about the huge potential for comedy of Clinton's presidency, of which there was much, and also about how the right seems to find its gonads when it's out of power. If we lose, the remnant of Republicans remaining will fight like hell to oppose the worst of the damage the One can cause. That's not to say it wouldn't be bad, but it wouldn't be OVER.

Now, if it happens, WE'LL have to work harder, to let our representatives know our opposition to his SC picks and the like, but that wouldn't be the end of the world, either.

It'll be okay.

re: #71 Odinga

Palin rose ON HER OWN to become the first female governor of Alaska, the youngest gov of Alaska and currently the most popular gov. in the US. with an approval rating of 80%.

Obama rose to power by nullifying the completion, ballot rigging and acting like a thug while immersing himself in the Chicago machine politics including alliances with domestic terrorists and the hate monger Rev Right.

How can anyone not see the difference here. Palin has achieved a great deal while raising a family. THAT IS THE PALIN PHENOMENON.

How can this be curious Chomsky? Americans love success when it is DONE WITH HARD WORK AND HONESTY THE PALIN WAY.

Only Moonbats fail to see the difference and are blind to Obama's slime ACORN thugocracy.

Actually, Governor Palin represents everything that Chomsky resents about America. As a statist socialist, he firmly believes in the principle of "Power to the Correct People", i.e., those "best suited" to administer everything for the "common good". That is, people like him.

So far, no one outside of academia has been a big enough idiot to give him the power he craves. So he has acquired it by being the Pied Piper (or maybe, the Svengali) of the radicals who share his twisted worldview. It has all of the perks, and none of the pitfalls.

When someone like Governor Palin starts as "just another hockey mom" and forces her way to the top of the ladder through sheer merit, it strikes at the core of his belief system. Because to him, ability is gauged by adherence to dogma, not by demonstrable effectiveness.

I suspect that he's hoping that Obama not only wins the election, but also figures out a way to destroy Governor Palin politically and in terms of her reputation.

Because his tiny mind and twisted soul can not tolerate the existence of someone whose entire life makes a liar out of him, and his "philosophy".

cheers

eon

I prefer to take my political insight from Nim Chimpsky.

One of the 10 Famous Monkeys* in Science.

re: #61 sojerofgod

Worse, many are so angry that the veiled threats are starting to fly about civil disobedience if Obama wins narrowly and they think fraud is the cause. We really really need to be careful. Some among us who are a little undisciplined and upset might take that too seriously, and if a pot-shot is taken at the democrat nominee we could all be for enormous trouble. We cannot give the dems the excuse they want to shut down free speech on the Internet.

Ah, a few short but critical points.

1) A little civil disobedience isn't all that bad.

2) Civil disobedience does not include assassination attempts. That is ludicrous.

3) Decrying the possibility of an assassination not because it might succeed, but because "they" might take away your Internet is beyond absurd.

I mean really.

re: #95 stuiec

Yes I remember that BS. But do you remember the right talking 'War' with real bullets the way I see more and more doing so? I think a lot of it is because Obama scares the hell out of us. He is setting himself above the law with his rhetoric, and a lot of folks are afraid he will use the power of the government against political enemies. One question is, will he be able to get the rank-and-file of many of these law enforcement agencies to go along? Far left types generally go in for easy jobs: Univeristies, art gallerys, bath houses, you know, safe stuff. A soldier who swears to protect the constitution knows better than to obey an illegal order.
This however, is not a theory I hope to test.

But asking about Martians excludes Jupiterians. And what about the feelings of the Saturnians? Are they too being marginalized like the Hale-Boppians? I'm calling the ACLU to file a complaint, racist.

re: #95 stuiec

That's kind of what I'm worried about. The right used to be crazier than the left in the 90's. Militias, abortion clinic bombings, paranoid conspiracies about the UN creating a new world government and rallying around causes like Ruby Ridge and Waco. It would be bad to return to those days but maybe it's inevitable. Whoever is out of the oval office seems to go insane.

This country is insane in the sense that the vice presidential candidate on one side has 10 times the qualifications of the favored presidential candidate on the other side.

Good afternoon all! Has anyone posted this yet?

[Link: news.aol.com...]

Up is down, black is white, move along, nothing to see here...

Check out this story from the ASS-ociated Press about ACORN committing voter registration fraud here in Missouri, specifically the part I highlighted beginning the 4th paragraph...Un-freakin'believable!

Missouri officials suspect fake voter registration
By BILL DRAPER, Associated Press WriterWed Oct 8, 9:45 PM ET

Officials in Missouri, a hard-fought jewel in the presidential race, are sifting through possibly hundreds of questionable or duplicate voter-registration forms submitted by an advocacy group that has been accused of election fraud in other states.

Charlene Davis, co-director of the election board in Jackson County, where Kansas City is, said the fraudulent registration forms came from the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN. She said they were bogging down work Wednesday, the final day Missourians could register to vote.

"I don't even know the entire scope of it because registrations are coming in so heavy," Davis said. "We have identified about 100 duplicates, and probably 280 addresses that don't exist, people who have driver's license numbers that won't verify or Social Security numbers that won't verify. Some have no address at all."

The nonpartisan group works to recruit low-income voters, who tend to lean Democratic. Most polls show Republican presidential candidate John McCain with an edge in bellwether Missouri, but Democrat Barack Obama continues to put up a strong fight.

Jess Ordower, Midwest director of ACORN, said his group hasn't done any registrations in Kansas City since late August. He said he was told three weeks ago by election officials that there were only about 135 questionable cards — 85 of them duplicates.

"They keep telling different people different things," he said. "They gave us a list of 130, then told someone else it was 1,000."

FBI spokeswoman Bridget Patton said the agency has been in contact with elections officials about potential voter fraud and plans to investigate.

"It's a matter we take very seriously," Patton said. "It is against the law to register someone to vote who does not fall within the parameters to vote, or to put someone on there falsely."

On Tuesday, authorities in Nevada seized records from ACORN after finding fraudulent registration forms that included the starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys.

In April, eight ACORN workers in St. Louis city and county pleaded guilty to federal election fraud for submitting false registration cards for the 2006 election. U.S. Attorney Catherine Hanaway said they submitted cards with false addresses and names, and forged signatures.

Ordower said Wednesday that ACORN registered about 53,500 people in Missouri this year. He believes his group is being targeted because some politicians don't want that many low-income people having a voice.

"It's par for the course," he said. "When you're doing more registrations than anyone else in the country, some don't want low-income people being empowered to vote. There are pretty targeted attacks on us, but we're proud to be out there doing the patriotic thing getting people registered to vote."

Republicans are among ACORN's loudest critics. At a campaign stop in Bethlehem, Pa., supporters of John McCain interrupted his remarks Wednesday by shouting, "No more ACORN."

Debbie Mesloh, spokeswoman for the Obama campaign in Missouri, said in an e-mailed statement that the campaign supported any investigation of possible fraud.

According to its national Web site, the group has registered 1.3 million people nationwide for the Nov. 4 election. It also has encountered complaints of fraud stemming from registration efforts in Wisconsin, New Mexico, Nevada and battleground states like Michigan, Ohio and North Carolina, where new voter registrations have favored Democrats nearly 4 to 1 since the beginning of this year.

re: #76 Palandine

The lucianne folks and the freepers tend to be wound a little tight. If the worst happens, I fully expect the right to behave nobly and legally.

/I wish I had the same certitude about the left.

Your response is better than I would have said. This poster starts off with being "frightened" and then goes into the talking points of Republicans being angry and maybe wanting to take "pot-shots at the nominee".

I figured them for a Moby posting stuff that the left could use to tar and feather LGF, because as you say, the right will behave nobly and legally, unlike the left.

I apologize to that poster, who I do not believe I have seen around here recently, if I have mistaken them.

Chomsky: This Sarah Palin phenomenon is very curious. I think somebody watching us from Mars, they would think the country has gone insane.

No, mr. JINO Chomsky. It's YOU who has gone insane.

And by God, your socialism and antisemitism shall never prevail!

re: #106 sojerofgod

Yes I remember that BS. But do you remember the right talking 'War' with real bullets the way I see more and more doing so? I think a lot of it is because Obama scares the hell out of us. He is setting himself above the law with his rhetoric, and a lot of folks are afraid he will use the power of the government against political enemies. One question is, will he be able to get the rank-and-file of many of these law enforcement agencies to go along? Far left types generally go in for easy jobs: Univeristies, art gallerys, bath houses, you know, safe stuff. A soldier who swears to protect the constitution knows better than to obey an illegal order.
This however, is not a theory I hope to test.

That's why Obambi's slip off the tongue on July 2 is so important. He knows the military and LE won't go along. He needs his Security Force. Not that it would happen, to many Constitutional hurdles. But that off the cuff remark is telling as to the inner workings of Obama's thoughts.

re: #4 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Up yours, Noam.

With all due respect.

None is due.

re: #61 sojerofgod

Guys,
I am getting frightened. I was over on Lucianne.com a while ago today and they had a two-thread comment section on this voter fraud mess. Some of the posters over there are so angry that they want to postpone the elections, thinking that would give the FBI time to investigate or something. Worse, many are so angry that the veiled threats are starting to fly about civil disobedience if Obama wins narrowly and they think fraud is the cause. We really really need to be careful. Some among us who are a little undisciplined and upset might take that too seriously, and if a pot-shot is taken at the democrat nominee we could all be for enormous trouble. We cannot give the dems the excuse they want to shut down free speech on the Internet.
If the worst happens and Obama wins with a big democrat majority, we will need forums like this to oppose and expose them, while we use the courts to try and block their agenda on constitutional grounds. WORK within the system we have, or we will surely LOSE it.

The vote fraud business is Obama's Plan B. His plan A is to just win, baby. It seems more likely than not that plan A will work. Particularly if he wins legitimately, we must take up the role of loyal opposition. Strive to help his policies* succeed if they possibly can, and to contain and limit the damage if they cannot.

If his plan B works, our only recourse will be to reason with democrats. Do they really want to live in a society where people mostly don't bother to vote because Landslide Lyndon wins, no matter how real people vote?

What happens when this system of "elections" migrates into the primaries? Then, Democrats too will find themselves disenfranchised. The right to vote is meaningful only when the dead, ringers, imaginary people living at imaginary addresses, and jayhawkers from the next state over are denied that right.

(* Those that don't flout the constitution.)

re: #102 Palandine

I'm not ready to concede the election until November 5.

BUT, if the messiah wins...

I remember people calling into Rush Limbaugh in 1992 when Clinton won. They were heartbroken--he was positive. One, about the huge potential for comedy of Clinton's presidency, of which there was much, and also about how the right seems to find its gonads when it's out of power. If we lose, the remnant of Republicans remaining will fight like hell to oppose the worst of the damage the One can cause. That's not to say it wouldn't be bad, but it wouldn't be OVER.

Now, if it happens, WE'LL have to work harder, to let our representatives know our opposition to his SC picks and the like, but that wouldn't be the end of the world, either.

It'll be okay.

Clinton was not the potential menace Obama is. His questionable acquaintances were Arkansas lawyers and bankers not Ayers, Rezko and Khalidi. Clinton's views, in general, were far more moderate. Clinton tolerated Limbaugh and the others while the Obama types will fight to reinstitute limits on free speech and call that fairness. There is less comedy in Obama.

I wish McCain was the fighter he says he is, but I'm not seeing it during the debates. He seems to be better at l'esprit d'escalier than real time and it's a damn shame.

Noam Chompky is a petty idol with career in a social science that's done little but refine itself. It's no wonder that what comes out of his mouth is crap.

OT: RNC has had to divert 2 million worth of funds from GOTV to protect campaign workers from busloads of ACORN workers showing up at volunteer centers.

news release

re: #118 SpartanWoman

PIMF, Khalid Rashidi

re: #102 Palandine

Obama is far more dangerous than Bill Clinton was, for a simple reason: Bill Clinton was personally ambitious, whereas Barack Obama is ideologically ambitious.

Bill Clinton worked for years to take over the Democrat Party by forming the Democratic Leadership Council and advocating the strategy of campaigning as centrists. He hid his true ideology until he was elected President and then tried to govern to the left. But when the voters rebelled in 1994 and gave Congress to the GOP, Clinton sought to keep himself in office rather than advance his ideological agenda, and (with Dick Morris) he developed the "triangulation" strategy that let the GOP achieve much of what it wanted, so long as Clinton got to keep his job.

I believe that Barack Obama doesn't have the same self-preservation instinct as Bill Clinton. I think he will try to push America as far to the left as he can, as fast as he can, with the full support of the Pelosi-Reid Congress. I think the damage they can do in the first two years of an Obama Administration may take years, even a decade or more, to undo.

Well, I'm off for tonight. Want to watch a movie before I go to bed.

Luchino Visconti's The Damned (1969).

/Just a coincidence, I swear.

Good Night, Lizards.

Stout Hearts.

cheers

eon

OCTOBER SURPRISE

Chomsky is a certifiable Nutball.
Obama is a Chicago thug in an empty suit.
Madonna is an irrelevant Ho.
Biden is a Gaffe Machine.
Oberfurher hates Palin.
Crissy Matthews needs a diaper when Obama speaks.

re: #112 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

In April [2008], eight ACORN workers in St. Louis city and county pleaded guilty to federal election fraud for submitting false registration cards for the 2006 election. U.S. Attorney Catherine Hanaway said they submitted cards with false addresses and names, and forged signatures.

If they find out Obama cheated in 2010...it will be too late for us.

re: #105 Cognito

Absurd?

No, but perhaps I assume too many leaps in logic to get to my conclusion. I AM decrying the possibility of an assasination attempt, under all circumstances: No matter who wins, and regardless of fraud, or dirty tricks or whatever, an event like that would be the worst possible thing to happen in this country. The aftermath of an attempt, successful or not, would be an over-reaction by the government against the law-abiding population. I don't know how long you've been around, but I was a pre-teen in 1968, and we got far more government surveilance of the public, the Gun control act, the ATF (likely the worst law enforcement agency in government) and lots of other bad things. I am saying that when people start throwing around comments like 'revolt' and 'war' and '1860' and they aren't joking, it adds to the hysteria and gives an excuse to those few who REALLY DO want to put down their political opponents ammo.

Noam Chomsky and insane in the same sentence, just can't stop laughing.

Mama for Obama

re: #102 Palandine

I'm not ready to concede the election until November 5.

BUT, if the messiah wins...

I remember people calling into Rush Limbaugh in 1992 when Clinton won. They were heartbroken--he was positive.

Also, when the drum-circle and patchouli stick crowd sees that their mau-mauing Marxist messiah really can't lower the oceans, cure poverty, provide universal quality healthcare and the world still doesn't like us, they're gonna be mighty disappointed and they may realize just how stupidly delirious they were in 2008.

Or, they'll still keep blaming Bush for everything...

re: #124 odinga

OCTOBER SURPRISE

Chomsky is a certifiable Nutball.
Obama is a Chicago thug in an empty suit.
Madonna is an irrelevant Ho.
Biden is a Gaffe Machine.
Oberfurher hates Palin.
Crissy Matthews needs a diaper when Obama speaks.

Imagine if Madonna (or someone of her same ilk) ran this country. People she "hated" be in trouble.

re: #120 kw26

OT: RNC has had to divert 2 million worth of funds from GOTV to protect campaign workers from busloads of ACORN workers showing up at volunteer centers.

news release

The left behaving like the SA? I'm stunned...

re: #117 lostlakehiker

we must take up the role of loyal opposition. Strive to help his policies* succeed if they possibly can, and to contain and limit the damage if they cannot.

If his plan B works, our only recourse will be to reason with democrats. Do they really want to live in a society where people mostly don't bother to vote because Landslide Lyndon wins, no matter how real people vote?
(* Those that don't flout the constitution.)

Are you nuts? Do you not read history? Do you know anything at all about radical leftists? Loyal opposition who will strive to help him?

You and your ilk will be eaten up and spit out in about 10 seconds flat by Obama's supporters.

re: #106 sojerofgod

Yes I remember that BS. But do you remember the right talking 'War' with real bullets the way I see more and more doing so? I think a lot of it is because Obama scares the hell out of us. He is setting himself above the law with his rhetoric, and a lot of folks are afraid he will use the power of the government against political enemies. One question is, will he be able to get the rank-and-file of many of these law enforcement agencies to go along? Far left types generally go in for easy jobs: Univeristies, art gallerys, bath houses, you know, safe stuff. A soldier who swears to protect the constitution knows better than to obey an illegal order.
This however, is not a theory I hope to test.

OK that's it. Who is talking "war with real bullets" who you see "more and more" you fraud?

I notice that Chomsky's field is linguistics. I don't understand how he is an economics expert, commenting on capitalism and the market.

re: #118 SpartanWoman

Obama IS dangerous, no doubt about it.

Not the least of which is due to the fact that I believe he went into this thinking he had absollutely no chance of winning all the marbles.

He was a part-time college professor, a "community organizer," he had the state senate handed to him on a platter (and rarely bothered to do anything), and the senate handed to him by the fact that Ryan couldn't keep it in his pants despite the fact that he was married to SEVEN OF NINE, for God's sake.

He's never actually wielded power, and I think he has no idea how to do so, which will make him dangerous. IF the worst happens, which again I am not willing to concede for a long time, it will be up to we the people to constrain his worst impulses, if we can.

re: #129 Crusty

Why use a fake Burger King symbol when I'm hungry?

re: #126 sojerofgod

1860?

With all due respect, it sounds like you're hanging out in a crowd of dunces.

re: #106 sojerofgod

Yes I remember that BS. But do you remember the right talking 'War' with real bullets the way I see more and more doing so? I think a lot of it is because Obama scares the hell out of us. He is setting himself above the law with his rhetoric, and a lot of folks are afraid he will use the power of the government against political enemies. One question is, will he be able to get the rank-and-file of many of these law enforcement agencies to go along? Far left types generally go in for easy jobs: Univeristies, art gallerys, bath houses, you know, safe stuff. A soldier who swears to protect the constitution knows better than to obey an illegal order.
This however, is not a theory I hope to test.

The Right talking war with real bullets? Yes -- the far-fringe Radical Right, as in the Michigan Militia. I seem to recall a couple of guys on the far-fringe Radical Right even acting on that impulse in a place called Oklahoma City. I really haven't seen anything nearly that kooky this time, but maybe I haven't been looking in the right places.

I am not afraid of Obama ordering his political opponents rounded up and sent off to re-education camps. I am, however, afraid of him changing the domestic and foreign policies of the USA in perfectly legal ways that make our country far, far weaker for years to come. For example, do you think Obama is committed to preserving the progress toward victory in Iraq, or do you think it's completely possible that he'd allow Iraq to descend into chaos to be able to say, "I told you so," and to create a space for Iran to emerge as a new world power to "balance" American power?

re: #122 stuiec

Obama is far more dangerous than Bill Clinton was, for a simple reason: Bill Clinton was personally ambitious, whereas Barack Obama is ideologically ambitious.

Bill Clinton was a Centrist. Obama is a Leftist.

Although I received my PhD from MIT, I steadfastly refuse to donate any money to that school as long as that fool walks the earth.

re: #134 rustynail

He crazy super rich. He's made a fortune trading currency and collapsing the economies of several small countries along the way.

re: #125 Lively

If they find out Obama cheated in 2010...it will be too late for us.

The Mayor is on record as being a huge fan of Obama.
The Sheriff and the Circuit Attorney are both part-time members of the Obama Troof Squad.
Will never happen.

/I love my city, but it's definitely got its issues.

re: #136 Lively

Why use a fake Burger King symbol when I'm hungry?

Is there something wrong with the avatars? When I click on any of them it says "No user!". Is this happening to anyone else?

re: #100 jaunte

Now, see I like ZK273's #99 quote better!

A tad more violent than what I'm looking for.

re: #115 JCM

From the second debate:

I think the young people of America are especially interested in how they can serve, and that's one of the reasons why I'm interested in doubling the Peace Corps, making sure that we are creating a volunteer corps all across this country that can be involved in their community, involved in military service, so that military families and our troops are not the only ones bearing the burden of renewing America.

Need I say this is Obama speaking?

re: #135 Palandine

With Pelosi and Reid he will do a lot of damage and he will not have to ask "we the people" for another four years. The majority was against the bailout and yet it happened.

With the Fairess Doctrine in place the people will seem very much quieter

re: #143 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Is there something wrong with the avatars? When I click on any of them it says "No user!". Is this happening to anyone else?

Some seem to work and others don't.

re: #143 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Is there something wrong with the avatars? When I click on any of them it says "No user!". Is this happening to anyone else?

Yes, ditto. Charles must be playing around. He'll probably swing by and tell us all to reload, reload, reload.
;)

re: #120 kw26

OT: RNC has had to divert 2 million worth of funds from GOTV to protect campaign workers from busloads of ACORN workers showing up at volunteer centers.

news release

Thanks for the info kw26. I just made another contribution because of this.

re: #122 stuiec

Obama is far more dangerous than Bill Clinton was, for a simple reason: Bill Clinton was personally ambitious, whereas Barack Obama is ideologically ambitious.

I think Obama is also personally ambitious. He uses organizations, and even ideas, and then throws them under the bus when they don't work for him anymore. Right now he is using the Democrat party. It's the only way he can get elected. Any day now, he will throw ACORN under the bus. Democrats will never be able to trust him. I'll bet Michelle has a little "pin money" stashed away for the inevitable...

re: #98 Globular Cluster

Last I recell, that son of a bitch is dead.

re: #148 Irene NYC

nope, works fine for me.

re: #146 SpartanWoman

With Pelosi and Reid he will do a lot of damage and he will not have to ask "we the people" for another four years. The majority was against the bailout and yet it happened.

With the Fairess Doctrine in place the people will seem very much quieter

If the Fairness Doctrine is enacted, a lot of people will get very creative, very quickly. It will be hard, but doable.

re: #148 Irene NYC

Yes, ditto. Charles must be playing around. He'll probably swing by and tell us all to reload, reload, reload.
;)

Okay. Thought maybe my CC got declined! : )

re: #108 Killgore Trout

That's kind of what I'm worried about. The right used to be crazier than the left in the 90's. Militias, abortion clinic bombings, paranoid conspiracies about the UN creating a new world government and rallying around causes like Ruby Ridge and Waco. It would be bad to return to those days but maybe it's inevitable. Whoever is out of the oval office seems to go insane.

On the one hand, I am pretty confident that Obama will so badly overplay his hand if he's elected that the 2010 elections will be a Republican sweep.

On the other hand, I am pretty fearful that what a President Obama can do between Inauguration Day 2009 and the swearing in of the next Congress thereafter, with the full support and urging of the Pelosi/Reid Congress, can be so devastating to America's economy and foreign policy that it may take years and years to undo.

re: #61 sojerofgod

Guys,
I am getting frightened. I was over on Lucianne.com a while ago today and they had a two-thread comment section on this voter fraud mess. Some of the posters over there are so angry that they want to postpone the elections, thinking that would give the FBI time to investigate or something. Worse, many are so angry that the veiled threats are starting to fly about civil disobedience if Obama wins narrowly and they think fraud is the cause. We really really need to be careful. Some among us who are a little undisciplined and upset might take that too seriously, and if a pot-shot is taken at the democrat nominee we could all be for enormous trouble. We cannot give the dems the excuse they want to shut down free speech on the Internet.
If the worst happens and Obama wins with a big democrat majority, we will need forums like this to oppose and expose them, while we use the courts to try and block their agenda on constitutional grounds. WORK within the system we have, or we will surely LOSE it.

If Obama wins, we will suck it up and face four years of it like men.

re: #153 Irene NYC

And more sub rosa

re: #144 reine.de.tout

OK, I'll stop protesting.

re: #139 Globular Cluster

Bill Clinton was a Centrist. Obama is a Leftist.

Correction: Bill Clinton was a Leftist who knew he had to pretend to be a Centrist to get elected and stay in office. Obama is a Leftist, period.

Here's one old Norm would be proud of:
Teachers Sue Over Right to Wear Obama Pins at School

re: #157 SpartanWoman

And more sub rosa

Entirely!

re: #156 Globular Cluster

And women.

re: #146 SpartanWoman

If that's true, then we darn well better stay positive, tell the truth to our friends and family, and get out the vote.

/can't stand Hannity, but "do not let your hearts be troubled"

re: #160 Strike Hornet

Here's one old Norm would be proud of:
Teachers Sue Over Right to Wear Obama Pins at School

I would guess more than 50% of teachers are Dems. My county voted (R) in the last election, but my kids tell me there are plenty of LLL teaching their classes.

re: #128 Killgore Trout

That was...disturbing. She also looked a bit aged to be pregnant. Life must not have been so good to the "lady".

#160 Strike Hornet

Here's one old Norm would be proud of:
Teachers Sue Over Right to Wear Obama Pins at School

My company has a very simple "no political displays" policy. Talk, don't show.

re: #37 SteveBrandon

I don't get why leftists like using the "if someone from Mars was observing us" hypothesis. Is Mars supposed to be held up as some kind of example of the democratic ideal, where all citizens are equally well-informed, Martian media is completely objective with no filters imposed to suit the interests of big business, and, best of all as far as Chomsky is concerned, no Israeli influence on Martian foreign policy?

It's their home planet, maybe?

My prime question about the Kos Kidz and their ilk concerns the color of the sky on their planet. From the Rover pictures we've seen, it's pink. Which figures.

re: #155 stuiec

On the one hand, I am pretty confident that Obama will so badly overplay his hand if he's elected that the 2010 elections will be a Republican sweep.

On the other hand, I am pretty fearful that what a President Obama can do between Inauguration Day 2009 and the swearing in of the next Congress thereafter, with the full support and urging of the Pelosi/Reid Congress, can be so devastating to America's economy and foreign policy that it may take years and years to undo.

And for many, many years after that with regard to the SCOTUS.

/one of my primary concerns in this entire fiasco.

re: #153 Irene NYC

If the Fairness Doctrine is enacted, a lot of people will get very creative, very quickly. It will be hard, but doable.

The Zamizdat in Russian used mineographs (many smuggled in by the CIA). The Solidarity Movement used faxes, (many provided by the CIA). Muzzling free speech only can backfire. The left has never learned that lesson.

re: #128 Killgore Trout

Mama for Obama

Disgusting and embarrassing at the same time.

re: #169 JCM

The Zamizdat in Russian used mineographs (many smuggled in by the CIA). The Solidarity Movement used faxes, (many provided by the CIA). Muzzling free speech only can backfire. The left has never learned that lesson.

Actually, I was thinking samizat internet. GMTA.
;)

re: #160 Strike Hornet

Here's one old Norm would be proud of:
Teachers Sue Over Right to Wear Obama Pins at School

I'll bet the same group would consider a McCain pin hate speech.

re: #150 wrenchwench

I think Obama is also personally ambitious. He uses organizations, and even ideas, and then throws them under the bus when they don't work for him anymore. Right now he is using the Democrat party. It's the only way he can get elected. Any day now, he will throw ACORN under the bus. Democrats will never be able to trust him. I'll bet Michelle has a little "pin money" stashed away for the inevitable...

When Obama "throws someone under the bus," it's a transparently superficial disavowal of that person's "outrageous" beliefs. I am sure that the throwees fully understand that he's just engaging in political posturing, and that all will be forgiven when the election is over. You don't really think that he won't invite Jeremiah Wright to give the invocation at his inauguration, do you?

re: #171 Irene NYC

Actually, I was thinking samizat internet. GMTA.
;)

Blogs will pop up and vanish, email lists using disposable yahoo and gmail accounts.

They'd never succeed.

re: #128 Killgore Trout

Mama for Obama

Would that be like a Moron for Sauron?

re: #175 stuiec

Would that be like a Moron for Sauron?

Or Mudbloods for Voldemort.

re: #174 JCM

Blogs will pop up and vanish, email lists using disposable yahoo and gmail accounts.

They'd never succeed.

It's horrid that we have to think like this and explore options like disposable accounts

re: #133 Shay4l

Me.

Go up-thread: I was talking about things I saw today on a Lucianne thread. A sample comment-----------------------------------What about the large contingent of armed forces stationed in the country ready at a moment's notice to act? Since Oct 1 they supposedly are on stand-by status? I would hope they are here to keep us safe, but this election season has me really worried. This election will cause major issues no matter who wins. Be prepared.---------------------

And this:
"There is a civil war of sorts on the horizon."

There were others. I have seen some on sites like jawa, classical values, and others, I reckon.

Oh, and an aside: I am not a 'moby' or troll or whatever. Been here quite a while, though lately I haven't posted much, I own my own business and work often 12 hour days. So think about the message and stop shooting at the messenger.

re: #160 Strike Hornet

Here's one old Norm would be proud of:
Teachers Sue Over Right to Wear Obama Pins at School

When you believe that what you believe is right simply because you believe it, it's easy to have beliefs like this.

re: #94 sojerofgod

Well, I don't mean we have to be polite: In fact most conservatives are way too polite to democrats, and they pay for that. Riots and threats against individuals is quite another thing though.

That's the inherent problem isn't it. Conservatives by definiton are law abiding and follow the rules. The fascist liberals on the other hand are tantrum prone, like spoiled children and make the rules up as they go along. They've been acting like that since the 60's and a big part of me wants to give them a good thrashing. Talking to them doesn't help - they just scream louder. reminds me sometimes of a parent dealing with an out of control child.

There are limits however to how far we can be pushed. Personally my limit is going to be any attempt at pushing the Fairness Doctrine in an attempt to shut down the little voice we have. I'm gonna keep my powder dry......

Seriously, folks. When it reaches the point where you can't wear a button, or put a bumper sticker on your car, or put a sign on your lawn because your afraid that your private property will be damaged or you could be assaulted - is this the country we want to live in?

I make no apologies. I am SICK, SICK, SICK at the level of intimidation by the left that has been growing, first since the 60s and later with the inception of political correctness.

We need to get up close and personal too. Enough of this Silent Majority. We need to make our voices heard loud and clear, or they will be silenced. And we need to elect officials who will do the same.

I think somebody watching us from Mars, they would think the country has gone insane.

Mars is devoid of intelligent life and life in general except for the possibility of micro organism. So Mars has no impact on the election. Neither does the rest of the planet called Earth unless you count the $200 million from overseas donors.

re: #137 Cognito
I actually heard that on the Glenn Beck show about a week ago: My reaction was kind of like yours..."1860?" WTF?
Then I went into my office building and two guys who work for another company were at the coffee pot saying exactly the same thing. That was positively spooky.

re: #177 SpartanWoman

It's horrid that we have to think like this and explore options like disposable accounts

Better than the next step....
Lock-n-load.

re: #181 Irene NYC

Not to mention the Obama or Else T-shirts

re: #129 Crusty

Also, when the drum-circle and patchouli stick crowd sees that their mau-mauing Marxist messiah really can't lower the oceans, cure poverty, provide universal quality healthcare and the world still doesn't like us, they're gonna be mighty disappointed and they may realize just how stupidly delirious they were in 2008.

Or, they'll still keep blaming Bush for everything...

On the day Vincent Foster died, Clinton announced the "don't ask, don't tell" policy. There were riots in the streets that night -- in San Francisco, cop cars were flipped over and burned -- because the gay community was sure Clinton was going to make good on his promise to end "anti-gay discrimination" in the military, and when he didn't, they felt completely betrayed.

I have no doubt whatsoever that Obama will do everything in his power not to disappoint or betray the hard left Progressives who gave him his initial momentum in the Presidential race. His heart and his head are totally with them.

The United States Has Essentially a One-Party System’.

He could be right if That One gets in and they put their Orwellian "Fairness Doctrine" into effect.

re: #128 Killgore Trout

Mama for Obama

Hmm - interesting stance. Looks like her little one is fairly close to coming into the world. I wonder is she knows that Obama, by his documented votes, would have children the same as hers killed, even when they are in the outside world?

re: #174 JCM

Blogs will pop up and vanish, email lists using disposable yahoo and gmail accounts.

They'd never succeed.

Yeah, it's a virtual game whose physical counterpart was played here in the East Village in the 80s. Private clubs would pop up for one night. It was all word of mouth. Officialdom was always too slow. It was in your face and nobody ever caught "the perpetrators."

video...

Obama caught saying ACORN and friends will shape his presidental agenda.

Nope nothing to due with ACORN ..man what a putz.

re: #181 Irene NYC

Seriously, folks. When it reaches the point where you can't wear a button, or put a bumper sticker on your car, or put a sign on your lawn because your afraid that your private property will be damaged or you could be assaulted - is this the country we want to live in?

I make no apologies. I am SICK, SICK, SICK at the level of intimidation by the left that has been growing, first since the 60s and later with the inception of political correctness.

We need to get up close and personal too. Enough of this Silent Majority. We need to make our voices heard loud and clear, or they will be silenced. And we need to elect officials who will do the same.

We need to get in their faces just like they've been doing for years and like Obama has instructed them to do. There's an old Army saying 'silence means consent'.....we won't go quietly into the night - and we need to let them know it. I'm fed up too and it's been building for years.

Harumph.

re: #176 Sharmuta

Or Mudbloods for Voldemort.

That don't rhyme.

How about, "the Unashamed for He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named"?

Nope. Too weak.

But you'll think of something.

re: #165 ArmyWife

That was...disturbing. She also looked a bit aged to be pregnant. Life must not have been so good to the "lady".

It's not a baby... it's a balloon.

Here is the Bio of the “real” Lawrence Chomstein:

Lawrence "Liberal Larry" Chomstein was born and raised in Las Vegas, Nevada… Larry cut his progressive teeth at UC Berkeley, where he majored in Greco-Roman Sexual Positions and Interpretive Clog Dancing…

In 2003, Larry traveled to Iraq where he volunteered as a human shield against the coming U.S. "shock and awe" campaign, but left shortly before the attacks to seek medical attention for severely burned testicles.

Larry now resides in the Seattle area where he works as a sales rep for a company that develops hemp clothing products. "We have a whole line of underwear you can wear all day, then roll up and smoke that very evening."

Bio of the real Lawrence Chomstein

Lawrence Chomstien on McCain

Lawrence Chomstein’s timeless wisdom

Lawrence Chomstein on redistribution and food

Lawrence Chomstein on Bush and auto repairs

re: #128 Killgore Trout

Mama for Obama

Liberals are such pathetic losers. Seriously, those douchebags need to get a life. When was the last time you saw republicans out en masse protesting appearances by liberals? NEVER!

Noam Chomsky is a brilliant linguist and a very intelligent man, but utterly morally bankrupt. What little respect for his political commentary, even as the devil's advocate, I ever had for the man was lost when he stumped for the Khmer Rouge back in 1978, then lied about doing so afterwards.

He's a vile hypocrite and a shameless self-promoter, in his business entirely for the speaking fees. His political comments do not deserve repeating on a news site.

re: #192 stuiec

That don't rhyme.

How about, "the Unashamed for He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named"?

Nope. Too weak.

But you'll think of something.

The Unthinking Middle for Tom M Riddle.

re: #131 Van Helsing

The left behaving like the SA? I'm stunned...

Actually, there are a lot of parallels.

re: #180 LGoPs

That's the inherent problem isn't it. Conservatives by definiton are law abiding and follow the rules. The fascist liberals on the other hand are tantrum prone, like spoiled children and make the rules up as they go along. They've been acting like that since the 60's and a big part of me wants to give them a good thrashing. Talking to them doesn't help - they just scream louder. reminds me sometimes of a parent dealing with an out of control child.

There are limits however to how far we can be pushed. Personally my limit is going to be any attempt at pushing the Fairness Doctrine in an attempt to shut down the little voice we have. I'm gonna keep my powder dry......

From what my memory allows, we "quiet ones" just let it go on by (probably because the bellyachers were in the 20% to 30% minority, and we thought they would maybe "grow up and see the light").

Well, they're in the 48% to 51% range now, I think? Hopefully, we're not too late.

It's definitely a new learning experience in achieving any success talking to a brickhead.

We need to find a way not in teaching them truth...but in unlearning them from the lies they believe.

/my power's been dry for a few years now. ;)

re: #178 sojerofgod

Me.

Go up-thread: I was talking about things I saw today on a Lucianne thread. A sample comment--------------------------------- --What about the large contingent of armed forces stationed in the country ready at a moment's notice to act? Since Oct 1 they supposedly are on stand-by status? I would hope they are here to keep us safe, but this election season has me really worried. This election will cause major issues no matter who wins. Be prepared.---------------------

And this:
"There is a civil war of sorts on the horizon."

There were others. I have seen some on sites like jawa, classical values, and others, I reckon.

Oh, and an aside: I am not a 'moby' or troll or whatever. Been here quite a while, though lately I haven't posted much, I own my own business and work often 12 hour days. So think about the message and stop shooting at the messenger.

I do not believe your statements about "war" and "pot-shots" are indicative of Republican thought. If they are talking about them on other websites, I do not believe it is constructive to repeat them here. If you disagree with me then perhaps we can agree not to converse in the future.

Please do not read or reply to any of my posts in the future, just scroll over them.

Thanks!

re: #197 Sharmuta

The Unthinking Middle for Tom M Riddle.

BINGO!

re: #178 sojerofgod

I'm not saying the right doesn't have crazies, but a lot of these folks are just straight-up populists, or crazed losers, or both.

Killgore mentioned the black helicopter new world order types. When I listened to Art Bell/George Noory in the 90s, that nutbar Alex Jones was talking about the concentration camps for americans and black helicopters and NWO troops on US soil. I thought when Bush got elected he'd cut that crap out. He didn't. He's a conspiracy-mongering nutbar who sells fear to make himself rich. Doesn't matter who's in power. The Ronulans are a less crazy subset of these guys, just as Perot was in 1992, and O'Reilly kind of is now.

Populism's always had its adherents in America, and some of them are kind of odd. And there will always be those who feel that way.

FWIW, American soldiers will never fire on Americans. Take it to the bank.

What's that, my hippie friend? You want to save the environment, in vague and abstract terms? Want to loosen up the totalitarian restrictions on America's southern border?

Cool. Is that a joint in your hand?

re: #196 DrCruel

Noam Chomsky is a brilliant linguist and a very intelligent man, but utterly morally bankrupt. What little respect for his political commentary, even as the devil's advocate, I ever had for the man was lost when he stumped for the Khmer Rouge back in 1978, then lied about doing so afterwards.

He's a vile hypocrite and a shameless self-promoter, in his business entirely for the speaking fees. His political comments do not deserve repeating on a news site.

He is also a language elitist--or at least he was. I got into a debate with a professor in grad school over Chomsky's "descriptive" approach to grammar vs. the proscriptive (standard usage) approach. The prof argued that Chomsky was legitimizing all registers (i.e., all usages were equally correct). I countered that that stance relegated nonstandard English users to a language ghetto since, whether Chomsky liked it or not, people are judged by how correctly they speak.

re: #202 Palandine

FWIW, American soldiers will never fire on Americans. Take it to the bank.

What about our police/sheriff departments?

/jus' covering all the bases. :)

re: #190 kw26

video...

Obama caught saying ACORN and friends will shape his presidental agenda.

Nope nothing to due with ACORN ..man what a putz.

Thanks for the link. I'm surprised it hasn't been disappeared.

re: #197 Sharmuta

The Unthinking Middle for Tom M Riddle.

Oh, very clever!

Also, remember that much of Tom's driving force was his desire for power to redress his feelings of unrealized entitlement...

re: #202 Palandine

FWIW, American soldiers will never fire on Americans. Take it to the bank.

Absolutely.

re: #196 DrCruel

Noam Chomsky is a brilliant linguist and a very intelligent man, but utterly morally bankrupt. What little respect for his political commentary, even as the devil's advocate, I ever had for the man was lost when he stumped for the Khmer Rouge back in 1978, then lied about doing so afterwards.

He's a vile hypocrite and a shameless self-promoter, in his business entirely for the speaking fees. His political comments do not deserve repeating on a news site.

His brilliance in linguistics has been seriously downgraded.

re: #198 Steffan

Actually, there are a lot of parallels.

The shouting down of the opposition, intimidation, vandalism...

Nope. Just not seeing it.

I'm kidding. Brownshirts. Simple brownshirts is what they have become.

re: #205 gettinby

What about our police/sheriff departments?

/jus' covering all the bases. :)

The rank and file won't. The command may ask them to, especially places like Seattle. But the line cops, nope.

re: #209 Irene NYC

His brilliance in linguistics has been seriously downgraded.

Yes.

So, where's the Iranian Ship of Death?

re: #173 stuiec

When Obama "throws someone under the bus," it's a transparently superficial disavowal of that person's "outrageous" beliefs. I am sure that the throwees fully understand that he's just engaging in political posturing, and that all will be forgiven when the election is over. You don't really think that he won't invite Jeremiah Wright to give the invocation at his inauguration, do you?

If Obama were to be elected, his first thought, like all politicians, will be re-election. I think we agree on the "transparently superficial" part, but I don't think he has any more loyalty to "the hard left Progressives who gave him his initial momentum" than he does to anybody else, which is to say, absolutely zero. The One is loyal only to The One.

re: #207 goddessoftheclassroom

Oh, very clever!

Also, remember that much of Tom's driving force was his desire for power to redress his feelings of unrealized entitlement...

Thank you. Actually- I think a lot of Tom's driving force was his mixed feelings on his heritage. How analogous.

re: #205 gettinby

What about our police/sheriff departments?

/jus' covering all the bases. :)

Most of them live in the same cities they patrol, or within convenient commuting range. Won't happen.

re: #211 JCM

The rank and file won't. The command may ask them to, especially places like Seattle. But the line cops, nope.

That's what I thought (because I wanted to believe it). My experience in Tampa is right in line with what you said.

I'm from Los Angeles area (40+ years). There...I'm not so sure.

re: #213 godfrey

I found this: [Link: www.stratfor.com...]
Anyone a member?

Well, it appears Chomsky is being interviewed by a kindred spirit. The first sentence:

The linguist and public intellectual Noam Chomsky has long been a critic of American consumerism and imperialism.

What imperialism? Outside of the Virgin Islands, what territory has been acquired in the last hundred years? And if we're such a nasty country, why aren't the Philippines and Cuba still U.S. possessions?

re: #211 JCM

The rank and file won't. The command may ask them to, especially places like Seattle. But the line cops, nope.

I believe that the older police have a respect for the 2nd amendment but some of the newer/younger police will do what they are told.
We used to have a State Trooper here in SW Wa that stated that if he pulled a concealed carrier over that the person would have to go to court to get his/her gun back. He could have cared less for your rights. The good thing is is that he in now retired. Never did hear if he actually did that but would have been fun to get him into court.

re: #203 Cognito

What's that, my hippie friend? You want to save the environment, in vague and abstract terms? Want to loosen up the totalitarian restrictions on America's southern border?

Cool. Is that a joint in your hand?

"I've seen the pesticide residue on the plants," Foy said. "You ain't just smoking pot, bud. You're smoking some heavy-duty pesticides from Mexico."

Crocodile tears are overwhelming me.
/but I am pretty pissed that this is happening in our national parks

re: #141 Killgore Trout

He crazy super rich. He's made a fortune trading currency and collapsing the economies of several small countries along the way.

I'm not contradicting you, but the Wikipedia article on Noam Chomsky [Link: en.wikipedia.org...] doesn't mention his currency trading or collapsing economies of small countries. I'm not a very skilled internet searcher and couldn't verify. Can you direct me to sources?

re: #214 wrenchwench

If Obama were to be elected, his first thought, like all politicians, will be re-election. I think we agree on the "transparently superficial" part, but I don't think he has any more loyalty to "the hard left Progressives who gave him his initial momentum" than he does to anybody else, which is to say, absolutely zero. The One is loyal only to The One.

Re-election? First thought? Are you kidding? That's what goon squads are for.

re: #219 David Simon

Well, it appears Chomsky is being interviewed by a kindred spirit. The first sentence:

What imperialism? Outside of the Virgin Islands, what territory has been acquired in the last hundred years? And if we're such a nasty country, why aren't the Philippines and Cuba still U.S. possessions?

Don't forget France, Holland, Belgium, Italy, Germany, Luxembourg, Algieria, Tunisia, Japan and South Korea.

re: #214 wrenchwench

If Obama were to be elected, his first thought, like all politicians, will be re-election. I think we agree on the "transparently superficial" part, but I don't think he has any more loyalty to "the hard left Progressives who gave him his initial momentum" than he does to anybody else, which is to say, absolutely zero. The One is loyal only to The One.

You're assuming that he's in politics for the same reasons as most other politicians. I believe he's in politics because he wants the levers of power to accomplish what he couldn't accomplish as a community organizer or foundation board member -- that he's more interested in what he can do with the power than he is in what the power will do for him. Which makes him very, very dangerous.

"Chomsky on Palin"...She can do much than Noam!

IF this kapo doesn't like someone i must like them. generally.

re: #224 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Don't forget France, Holland, Belgium, Italy, Germany, Luxembourg, Algieria, Tunisia, Japan and South Korea.

Heh!

re: #223 Irene NYC

Re-election? First thought? Are you kidding? That's what goon squads are for.

I honestly don't think The One is planning on having to worry about additional elections, silly wabbit.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day;

SPIEGEL: “Change” is the slogan of this year’s presidential election. Do you see any chance for an immediate, tangible change in the United States? Or, to use use Obama’s battle cry: Are you "fired up”?

Chomsky: Not in the least. The European reaction to Obama is a European delusion.

...

SPIEGEL: Is there nothing about McCain that appeals to you?

Chomsky: In one aspect he is more honest than his opponent. He explicitly states that this election is not about issues but about personalities. The Democrats are not quite as honest even though they see it the same way.

re: #226 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

PIMF-

"Chomsky on Palin"...She can do much better than Noam!

re: #164 Lively

I would guess more than 50% of teachers are Dems. My county voted (R) in the last election, but my kids tell me there are plenty of LLL teaching their classes.

What is the point of teachers wearing Obama buttons and pins at school if not to sway the young minds they are entrusted with...
The Socialist/Marxist tactics continue on the looney left...
Screw'em!~

re: #207 goddessoftheclassroom

Oh, very clever!

Also, remember that much of Tom's driving force was his desire for power to redress his feelings of unrealized entitlement...

Very true. And when he finally achieved the degree of power that let him do what he wanted to do, he attempted to remake his world to suit his views.

re: #215 Sharmuta

Thank you. Actually- I think a lot of Tom's driving force was his mixed feelings on his heritage. How analogous.

Hmmmm... I sense an op-ed article coming on.

re: #229 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I honestly don't think The One is planning on having to worry about additional elections, silly wabbit.

Even narcissists want "legitimacy."
;)

re: #214 wrenchwench

If Obama were to be elected, his first thought, like all politicians, will be re-election. I think we agree on the "transparently superficial" part, but I don't think he has any more loyalty to "the hard left Progressives who gave him his initial momentum" than he does to anybody else, which is to say, absolutely zero. The One is loyal only to The One.

Naaah, his record speaks for itself. His friends and mentors were all radical lefties, and he's been toeing the hard-left line from the time he first entered politics until the moment he won the nomination. His sudden dive to the center was about as comical as anything by Monty Python.

If the MSM wasn't shilling for him, The One might still be a state senator. If that.

re: #215 Sharmuta

Thank you. Actually- I think a lot of Tom's driving force was his mixed feelings on his heritage. How analogous.

Holy Moly! And once he took power, no one dared speak his name! (Of course, in Obama's case, it's just his middle name that's off limits.)

re: #219 David Simon

Well, it appears Chomsky is being interviewed by a kindred spirit. The first sentence:

What imperialism? Outside of the Virgin Islands, what territory has been acquired in the last hundred years? And if we're such a nasty country, why aren't the Philippines and Cuba still U.S. possessions?

Exactly. To paraphrase (I think it may have been Colin Powell) 'the only territory we've occupied is the ground it takes to bury our soldiers'.
Claims of Imperialism drive me nuts - if we were imperialists we'd be paying $.50 cents a gallon for gas - because we'd just take it. It certainly isn't the prowess of the Saudi military that stays our hand - it's because we don't WANT IT.......we are the most tolerant and benevolent super power that's ever existed. Time we got some credit for it.......

re: #200 Shay4l

Well,

Suit yourself, Mac.
If no one mentions that these things are happening, and speaks out against them, then they will continue, whether you like it or not. I am saying that this sort of rhetoric should be criticized because it is counter productive to conservatism. As for being republican, well, if they agree with me so much the better for them; but I am a conservative first and cling to no banner. The obviously come closer to my opinions than the dems, but we don't always agree on all points.

re: #235 Irene NYC

Even narcissists want "legitimacy."
;)

He'll be doing it for the good of the people.

/I'm afraid he'll actually believe that.

re: #232 Strike Hornet

What is the point of teachers wearing Obama buttons and pins at school if not to sway the young minds they are entrusted with...
The Socialist/Marxist tactics continue on the looney left...
Screw'em!~

Teachers have no business proclaiming their politics in their classrooms.

I tell my students that they can discuss their opinions as long as they do so respectfully and with supporting facts. I only step in when something demonstrably false is put forth.

This Friday's edition of the only national right-wing paper in Israel had an article about a distant relative of Chomsky. She comes of a religious family, and is a poet.

The first question in the interview was about the famous American cousin.

She didn't seem too upset about him, got in a snarky comment about him probably preferring to visit Ramallah to visiting his relatives in Israel....

re: #240 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

He'll be doing it for the good of the people.

/I'm afraid he'll actually believe that.

And for the good of Michelle's children.
;)

re: #244 Irene NYC

We are all his children.

/getting in the spirit of the Dear Leader.

re: #241 taxfreekiller

Sarah hit this loon dead center,

"pull"""""""

Ttfk, that sounds like the beginning of a story. Wassup?
;)

Obama wins?

ACORN never gets investigated

Global Poverty Act gets passed

We're all taxed up the feckin wazoo

The economy tanks

Barney Frank and Christ Dodd are made into heroes

Iraqis get left high and dry

Iran comes out smelling like a rose

Obama gets his ass photographed in Paris, drinking champagne

Nationalization of US banks and Fan/Fred proceeds apace

Etc.

developing

re: #220 steve

I believe that the older police have a respect for the 2nd amendment but some of the newer/younger police will do what they are told.
We used to have a State Trooper here in SW Wa that stated that if he pulled a concealed carrier over that the person would have to go to court to get his/her gun back. He could have cared less for your rights. The good thing is is that he in now retired. Never did hear if he actually did that but would have been fun to get him into court.

I'd have filed complaints and sued his ass before he completed his shift. And I know a lot of WA State Troopers and liked them but that's over the line. A troop doesn't get to decide state law.

re: #230 Gadfly

Excellent post.

re: #247 godfrey

Obama wins?

ACORN never gets investigated

Global Poverty Act gets passed

We're all taxed up the feckin wazoo

The economy tanks

Barney Frank and Christ Dodd are made into heroes

Iraqis get left high and dry

Iran comes out smelling like a rose

Obama gets his ass photographed in Paris, drinking champagne

Nationalization of US banks and Fan/Fred proceeds apace

Etc.

developing

So much for the first day...

re: #247 godfrey

I agree that his first two years would be likely to follow that trajectory. It might take several election cycles to wash out the stink.

Obama is like the King of Mardi Gras, throwing America's riches off the float, to the rest of the world, enjoying the ride all the way to the end, when the float is empty, gets dismantled, and thrown into the garbage.

re: #128 Killgore Trout

Mama for Obama

now THERE is a good looking crew...LOL

Every weirdo, freak, misfit, psychopath in the world loves Obama...
What a freakshow...

re: #250 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Dude: get used to saying President Barak Obama.

The media has deemed it so, and so it shall be.

re: #242 goddessoftheclassroom

Teachers have no business proclaiming their politics in their classrooms.

I tell my students that they can discuss their opinions as long as they do so respectfully and with supporting facts. I only step in when something demonstrably false is put forth.

G-d bless you, my dear. A teacher's job is to teach - not to dictate.

re: #254 Whiterasta

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re: #247 godfrey

Nationalization of US banks and Fan/Fred proceeds apace

Hmm, nationalization of banks seems to already be happening. Under Bush.

/ vomit

re: #254 Whiterasta

Dude: get used to saying President Barak Obama.

The media has deemed it so, and so it shall be.

Nope. I reserve the right to call him Barry (most formal occasions) or The Zero (other times). We just got through 8 years of ChipMcBushHitler crap. I can call their loser anything I like.

/Just holding down the slot doesn't make you a leader.