He's not welcome here.

Ass.

Chomsky: This Sarah Palin phenomenon is very curious. I think somebody watching us from Mars, they would think the country has gone insane.

Funny- that's what I think except it's the 0bama phenomenon I find insane.

Up yours, Noam.

With all due respect.

Well, it's true we are delirious for Sarah!

Numb Chumpsky

Arrrr, Mars intelligence has determined that Chomsky is insane! Mars will invade tonight!

re: #1 Noam Sayin'

He's not welcome here.

Talking about your sock puppet, Noam? Say it ain't so!
;)

That, from Chomsky? Surely, he has misplaced his own identity

Oh, and people fawning over Obama is completely sensible?

Where are the quote/ital/strike/etc buttons?

Charlie Weiss sucks and ND has to fire him and soon.

C'mere CHOMPsky, give us your gamy ones.

re: #11 Cognito

Where are the quote/ital/strike/etc buttons?

Top of the text entry window...

Oh. There they are.

re: #14 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Mine had disappeared for a few minutes there...

re: #16 Cognito

Mine had disappeared for a few minutes there...

Good... I'm not the only one drinking here ;-)

SPIEGEL: But is it correct to only put the blame on Wall Street? Doesn't Main Street, the American middle class, also live on borrowed money which may or may not be paid back?

Chomsky: The debt burden of private households is enormous. But I would not hold the individual responsible. This consumerism is based on the fact that we are a society dominated by business interests. There is massive propaganda for everyone to consume. Consumption is good for profits and consumption is good for the political establishment.

And there you have it.

I am constantly amazed that so many of my younger professional colleagues think that Chomsky is some kind of genius. I've never heard/read a rational thought emanating from him...

Needless to say, we don't discuss politics...

KBO

"One must not forget that this country was founded by religious fanatics."
--Noam Chomsky, Public Intellectual
/

SPIEGEL: “Change” is the slogan of this year’s presidential election. Do you see any chance for an immediate, tangible change in the United States? Or, to use use Obama’s battle cry: Are you "fired up”?

Chomsky: Not in the least. The European reaction to Obama is a European delusion.

OMG- I agree with Chumpsky on something.

Soros has demonstrably funded both Obama and McCain. Chomsky is not a friendly, but let's address the issue. We can't have R and D both sucking from the same teat and expect to have free market ideas win.

Chomsky, lost in his own mind for thirty years, poor chump, but he got this right:

Chomsky: In one aspect he [McCain] is more honest than his opponent. He explicitly states that this election is not about issues but about personalities. The Democrats are not quite as honest even though they see it the same way.

Maybe that's a bit optimistic, the Democrats pretend it's about personality instead of issues, but really it's about dogma, and a suitable empty suit as a figurehead. Chomsky should be thrilled.

re: #20 jaunte

"One must not forget that this country was founded by religious fanatics."
--Noam Chomsky, Public Intellectual
/

Most things were founded by fanatics. Complacent peoples are well complacent.

Noam can ES&D.

Martians wouldn't have a problem with Obomba, evidently. So they're basically Europeans I guess.

Europeans romanticize "black America" and have since Josephine Baker. Now, they recognize Obama as both black and a Eurosocialist. Who can expect anything other than a collective groan of jouissance from them?

OT - but not really cuz all these education radicals are connected

Powerline's got some great quotes up from Ayers giving a speech Hugo Chavez in Columbia (not the university, the country):

[M]y comrade and friend Luis Bonilla, a brilliant educator and inspiring fighter for justice … has taught me a great deal about the Bolivarian Revolution [i.e., Chavez's movement] and about the profound educational reforms underway here in Venezuela under the leadership of President Chavez. We share the belief that education is the motor-force of revolution, and I’ve come to appreciate Luis as a major asset in both the Venezuelan and the international struggle—I look forward to seeing how he and all of you continue to overcome the failings of capitalist education as you seek to create something truly new and deeply humane….

[I’ve] learned that education is never neutral. It always has a value, a position, a politics. Education either reinforces or challenges the existing social order, and school is always a contested space—what should be taught? In what way? Toward what end? By and for whom? ...

Venezuelans have shown the world that with full participation, full inclusion, and popular empowerment, the failing of capitalist schooling can be resisted and overcome. … [W]e, too, must build a project of radical imagination and fundamental change. Venezuela is poised to offer the world a new model of education—a humanizing and revolutionary model whose twin missions are enlightenment and liberation.

It's not inconceivable that Obama could appoint him Secretary of Education.
*spit*

At least our Noam knows something about what he's sayin'.

This seems appropriate...

I'm not going to post on this thread, so you all can say things like, "Fuck off, Noam" and not have to explain you're not talking about me.

Chomsky: That is all rhetoric. Who cares about that? This whole election campaign deals with soaring rhetoric, hope, change, all sorts of things, but not with issues.

Who is this guy and what did they do with Chomsky?

re: #28 Irene NYC

It's not inconceivable that Obama could appoint him Secretary of Education.
*spit*

With a Dem majority in Congress, therefore committees, that is a frightening possibility.

Does American really want One Party rule?

re: #31 Noam Sayin'

I'm not going to post on this thread, so you all can say things like, "Fuck off, Noam" and not have to explain you're not talking about me.

LOL!
/see my #29

re: #31 Noam Sayin'

I'm not going to post on this thread, so you all can say things like, "Fuck off, Noam" and not have to explain you're not talking about me.

Get the fuck outta here, Noam. We want to be able to say "Fuck off, Noam"

Here's the best part of the interview:

SPIEGEL: Professor Chomsky, we thank you for this interview.

I don't get why leftists like using the "if someone from Mars was observing us" hypothesis. Is Mars supposed to be held up as some kind of example of the democratic ideal, where all citizens are equally well-informed, Martian media is completely objective with no filters imposed to suit the interests of big business, and, best of all as far as Chomsky is concerned, no Israeli influence on Martian foreign policy?

Anyone ever hear Chomsky speak? The guy is out there big time!

re: #37 SteveBrandon

The "Mars" thing is a way to seize the ground of objectivity without claiming it explicitly.

In short, another Leftist lie.

re: #26 Salem

Martians wouldn't have a problem with Obomba, evidently. So they're basically Europeans I guess.

Nope. They'd just figure it was time to send in the cylinders full of war machines to do the Martian Hop Stomp on us, on the grounds that we would have a chief executive who was officially more of an a$$ than Jack Nicholson in Mars Attacks!

As for Chomsky, he's apparently been an a$$ longer than I've been alive. And that's saying something.

cheers

eon

Martian Outsider Pose™

re: #37 SteveBrandon

I don't get why leftists like using the "if someone from Mars was observing us" hypothesis. Is Mars supposed to be held up as some kind of example of the democratic ideal, where all citizens are equally well-informed, Martian media is completely objective with no filters imposed to suit the interests of big business, and, best of all as far as Chomsky is concerned, no Israeli influence on Martian foreign policy?

Traditionally, leftists were utopians and used omniscience (God-like knowledge, etc.) to make their systems work. This is like a pathetic reworking of that.

Seriously.

re: #37 SteveBrandon

I don't get why leftists like using the "if someone from Mars was observing us" hypothesis. Is Mars supposed to be held up as some kind of example of the democratic ideal, where all citizens are equally well-informed, Martian media is completely objective with no filters imposed to suit the interests of big business, and, best of all as far as Chomsky is concerned, no Israeli influence on Martian foreign policy?

Mars can be whatever you (the user) want it to be.

I wonder how his investments are doing?

Chomsky:

Chomsky: The debt burden of private households is enormous. But I would not hold the individual responsible.

This is the view of an ass.

re: #12 Nevergiveup

Charlie Weiss sucks and ND has to fire him and soon.

Bah. He's not bad for the Irish. If you want bad, look at Rodriguez at the UofM. They just lost to Toledo. Meanwhile, MSU rolled over formerly unbeaten Northwestern. :-)

Who the fuck cares what this person thinks?

re: #45 godfrey

Chomsky:

This is the view of an ass.

Actually, he just doesn't believe in individuals as actors. It's always the people - as in the "Palestinian people." Typical leftist.

Why does anyone even ask Noam "The Fake Indian" Chumpsky his opinion on anything anyway? He's got a proven track record as an asshole and a liar.

re: #46 Honorary Yooper

Bah. He's not bad for the Irish. If you want bad, look at Rodriguez at the UofM. They just lost to Toledo. Meanwhile, MSU rolled over formerly unbeaten Northwestern. :-)

They just lost that football powerhouse UNC?

re: #18 Cognito

Classic Chomsky.

Leftists are just weird. weirod.
They cannot see just how nuts they are for backing Obama.

re: #47 TheMatrix31

Who the fuck cares what this person thinks?

Actually, he incites a lot of people and carries a lot of sway with academics, revolutionaries, professionals and lots of others. They care so we should care cuz ya gotta know your enemy.

re: #48 Irene NYC

Right, and this view suffuses all his commentary. To Chomsky, you're just a rube, a pawn, and eventually a shill. Is it any wonder people regard him as a pompous ass?

...and what would Martians think of a one term empty-suit senator with a dump truck full of America-hating friends and most of his money coming from overseas America-haters being one of the major party candidates?

re: #49 Honorary Yooper

Why does anyone even ask Noam "The Fake Indian" Chumpsky his opinion on anything anyway? He's got a proven track record as an asshole and a liar.

He must have joined Churchill's pretend tribe.

re: #47 TheMatrix31

You should care. This guy is an "influential."

re: #45 godfrey

It's the view of a socialist. Individuals who live without the protection of a Socialist nanny state should be pittied for being pawns of the capitalist system.

re: #55 Shay4l

...and what would Martians think of a one term empty-suit senator with a dump truck full of America-hating friends and most of his money coming from overseas America-haters being one of the major party candidates?

Time to warm up the invasion ships?

Video link to interview......

Guys,
I am getting frightened. I was over on Lucianne.com a while ago today and they had a two-thread comment section on this voter fraud mess. Some of the posters over there are so angry that they want to postpone the elections, thinking that would give the FBI time to investigate or something. Worse, many are so angry that the veiled threats are starting to fly about civil disobedience if Obama wins narrowly and they think fraud is the cause. We really really need to be careful. Some among us who are a little undisciplined and upset might take that too seriously, and if a pot-shot is taken at the democrat nominee we could all be for enormous trouble. We cannot give the dems the excuse they want to shut down free speech on the Internet.
If the worst happens and Obama wins with a big democrat majority, we will need forums like this to oppose and expose them, while we use the courts to try and block their agenda on constitutional grounds. WORK within the system we have, or we will surely LOSE it.

I think somebody watching us from Mars, they would think the country has gone insane.

Umm, Chompsky, (Gator Fan spelling) who or whom might that "someboby" be? Talking of the candy bar, maybe? You speak of the Mars rover?

re: #55 Shay4l

...and what would Martians think of a one term empty-suit senator with a dump truck full of America-hating friends and most of his money coming from overseas America-haters being one of the major party candidates?

"The Earthlings really are stupid enough to conquer. No, never mind conquest- all we have to do is come up with a photogenic fool of our own with some Messianic doubletalk, and in six months we'll own the place!"

cheers

eon

Chomsky has an interesting point. Why should humans consume? Better we dig our toes into the soil, wrinkle them in deep and draw up nutrients. Spread our arms, put forth leaves, and produce our own food from sunshine.

That way, we're not distracted from essential linguistic musing by our appetite.

Changing topic, Ayers and Ugo Chavez and so on are right about the importance of education. Education is indeed the motor of revolution. You have to trash education, replacing it with political indoctrination, in order to bring off a revolution that sequesters power in the hands of a usurping elite. The people won't go for it if they catch on to what's afoot.

"...former Alaskan beauty queen?" asked the reporter from former Nazi Germany.

Chomsky: This Sarah Palin phenomenon is very curious. I think somebody watching us from Mars, they would think the country has gone insane.

That's interesting- I wonder if they edited this comment. Does he think it's insane the people are freaking out over her, or that we like her? What exactly does he mean by this? His credentials would have me guess it's a slam at Palin, but the rest of the interview makes me wonder if it's a slam at PDS sufferers.

Having read this article, I've decided I would rather Chomsky win the cage death match with Der Spiegel.

Chomsky:

Chomsky: James Madison’s position at the Constitutional Convention was that state power should be used "to protect the minority of the opulent against the majority." That is why the Senate has only a hundred members who are mostly rich and were given a great deal of power. The House of Representatives, with several hundred members, is more democratic and was given much less power. Even liberals like Walter Lippmann, one of the leading intellectuals of the 20th century, was of the opinion that in a properly functioning democracy, the intelligent minority, who should rule, have to be protected from “the trampling and the roar of the bewildered herd.” Among the conservatives, Vice President Dick Cheney just recently illustrated his understanding of democracy. He was asked why he supports a continuation of the war in Iraq when the population is strongly opposed. His answer was: “So?”

There is so much half-truth and mendacity in that paragraph, it's difficult to know where to begin. This is how Chomsky operates.

re: #50 Nevergiveup

They just lost that football powerhouse UNC?

Well, yeah. They didn't look so hot today.

Still, compared with previous seasons, not too shabby. I'd like to see the Irish get someone like Holtz (or better) again, but Notre Dame is (rightly) not willing to lower its academic standards, so sadly it doesn't get the best players.

re: #61 sojerofgod

The right is rapidly descending into insanity.

Krist, he hasn't given up the ghost yet?

Palin rose ON HER OWN to become the first female governor of Alaska, the youngest gov of Alaska and currently the most popular gov. in the US. with an approval rating of 80%.

Obama rose to power by nullifying the completion, ballot rigging and acting like a thug while immersing himself in the Chicago machine politics including alliances with domestic terrorists and the hate monger Rev Right.

How can anyone not see the difference here. Palin has achieved a great deal while raising a family. THAT IS THE PALIN PHENOMENON.

How can this be curious Chomsky? Americans love success when it is DONE WITH HARD WORK AND HONESTY THE PALIN WAY.

Only Moonbats fail to see the difference and are blind to Obama's slime ACORN thugocracy.

I agree with him. National insanity? Sure, Germany probably is insane, left over from.... Oh, wait, never mind.

re: #61 sojerofgod

I fail to see why one side of the body politic is allowed to be stark raving mad, while the other side is supposed to mind its manners. Like begets like.

re: #49 Honorary Yooper

Why does anyone even ask Noam "The Fake Indian" Chumpsky his opinion on anything anyway? He's got a proven track record as an asshole and a liar.

I think you have your loony-left perfessers confused. The fake indian guy is Churchill, who was finally fired by U. of Colorado last year. Ch0msky is the geriatric kook from MIT who considers even the extreme left wing of the D party right wingers.

"I think somebody watching us from Mars, they would think the country has gone insane."

May be the first thing he's ever said that I would find hard to argue with.

re: #61 sojerofgod

The lucianne folks and the freepers tend to be wound a little tight. If the worst happens, I fully expect the right to behave nobly and legally.

/I wish I had the same certitude about the left.

re: #69 Killgore Trout

The right is rapidly descending into insanity.

That's ok, I could use the company.

re: #33 godfrey

With a Dem majority in Congress, therefore committees, that is a frightening possibility.

Does American really want One Party rule?

No, America does not.

The scary thing, though, is that Noam Chomsky would rather that the two-party system consist of the Democrats and Hezbollah.

Tenure, like a gerrymandered safe congressional district, produces unforeseen negative results.

re: #69 Killgore Trout

The right is rapidly descending into insanity.

Insanity isn't all it's cracked up to be.

Here I am writing a philosophy paper on 'Dignity' and stumble upon this feckless lump of horse shit known as "The Cumpsky."

Academics consider him among the great thinkers. Try this little concluding gem stone of "knowledge."

Chomsky: The American society has become more civilized, largely as a result of the activism of the 1960s. Our society, and also Europe's, became freer, more open, more democratic, and for many quite scary. This generation was condemned for that. But it had an effect.

I guess he missed the part about calling returning warriors murderers, and the political ethos of hate that Liberals now wears with pride

i wouldn't use the term insanity, there are damn good reasons to really be piss'd off, the msm, the lies of Obama team. the threats to our rights of free speech.
saying that, yes we need to be allowed to be angry but use it wisely through courts and information to defeat him if He wins.

The right is rapidly descending into insanity.

Cool.
When we get down there, the left can show us around.

re: #79 jaunte

Tenure, like a gerrymandered safe congressional district, produces unforeseen negative results.

Can I have that quote for the ROFLMAO section of the cookbook?

It's a section of collected fun and wisdom.

re: #69 Killgore Trout

Well, hysteria anyway. I know a lot of conservatives are upset, we have had a leg up in government since Bush's election and don't like the idea of losing it. I think that was very over-rated anyway: Bush never was truly "of" the conservative movement. The 1994 repubs were a bigger disappointment to me. Official Washington co-opted them, like a virus, until they were just as bad as democrats on spending.
We are the ones who are supposed to support the government and constitution as written. It would be an awful thing for the movement to be the ones to break the peace.

re: #61 sojerofgod

WORK within the system we have, or we will surely LOSE it.

Or put it back on track more quickly?

didn't anyone see Mars Attacks!?
the martians would laugh at intellectual chumps like Chomsky, just before vaporizing them.

re: #76 Palandine

The lucianne folks and the freepers tend to be wound a little tight. If the worst happens, I fully expect the right to behave nobly and legally.

/I wish I had the same certitude about the left.

I'm not THAT noble. If I think the vote was stolen, it's war. This is not 1960 and I am not Richard Nixon.

re: #80 JCM

Yeah, very few crazy people seem happy but the voices in my head tell me jokes.

re: #84 reine.de.tout

Sure, if you want, but it's not really that good. Needs a little more spice.

Chomsky:

The American society has become more civilized, largely as a result of the activism of the 1960s.

Right. That would be the "activism" of Ayers?

Somebody ask Chomsky what he thinks of WU's methods.

If only Chomsky were that somebody watching this from Mars.

re: #61 sojerofgod

The Lucianne forum is vastly inferior to this one. Posters get to post anything they want, without rebuttal, since you only get one post per thread. I post there as well, under the same nic. I don't go there so much anymore. BS has a much shorter half-life here.

re: #73 aaron

Well, I don't mean we have to be polite: In fact most conservatives are way too polite to democrats, and they pay for that. Riots and threats against individuals is quite another thing though.

re: #69 Killgore Trout

The right is rapidly descending into insanity.

The Right is slowly catching up to the insanity of the Left. But somehow the Left manages to stay two steps ahead in that regard.

It's not as though the Angry Right phenomenon hasn't happened before. I was a member of the Angry Right in the 1990s, only back then they called us "Angry White Men" -- remember?

re: #90 jaunte

Sure, if you want, but it's not really that good. Needs a little more spice.

I thought it was perfect. Short, sweet, to the point, said it all.

re: #96 reine.de.tout

Aw, shucks.

We've come to a point where every four years this national fever rises up — this hunger for the Saviour, the White Knight, the Man on Horseback — and whoever wins becomes so immensely powerful, like Nixon is now, that when you vote for President today you're talking about giving a man dictatorial power for four years. I think it might be better to have the President sort of like the King of England — or the Queen — and have the real business of the presidency conducted by... a City Manager-type, a Prime Minister, somebody who's directly answerable to Congress, rather than a person who moves all his friends into the White House and does whatever he wants for four years. The whole framework of the presidency is getting out of hand. It's come to the point where you almost can't run unless you can cause people to salivate and whip each other with big sticks. You almost have to be a rock star to get the kind of fever you need to survive in American politics.

--Hunter S. Thompson, "Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail"

The notion that so many people hold this Stalinist cretin in such high regard makes me want to punch someone while crying.

re: #96 reine.de.tout

Now, see I like ZK273's #99 quote better!

re: #99 ZK273

The notion that so many people hold this Stalinist cretin in such high regard makes me want to punch someone while crying.

By any chance do you have a carry permit?

re: #85 sojerofgod

I'm not ready to concede the election until November 5.

BUT, if the messiah wins...

I remember people calling into Rush Limbaugh in 1992 when Clinton won. They were heartbroken--he was positive. One, about the huge potential for comedy of Clinton's presidency, of which there was much, and also about how the right seems to find its gonads when it's out of power. If we lose, the remnant of Republicans remaining will fight like hell to oppose the worst of the damage the One can cause. That's not to say it wouldn't be bad, but it wouldn't be OVER.

Now, if it happens, WE'LL have to work harder, to let our representatives know our opposition to his SC picks and the like, but that wouldn't be the end of the world, either.

It'll be okay.

re: #71 Odinga

Palin rose ON HER OWN to become the first female governor of Alaska, the youngest gov of Alaska and currently the most popular gov. in the US. with an approval rating of 80%.

Obama rose to power by nullifying the completion, ballot rigging and acting like a thug while immersing himself in the Chicago machine politics including alliances with domestic terrorists and the hate monger Rev Right.

How can anyone not see the difference here. Palin has achieved a great deal while raising a family. THAT IS THE PALIN PHENOMENON.

How can this be curious Chomsky? Americans love success when it is DONE WITH HARD WORK AND HONESTY THE PALIN WAY.

Only Moonbats fail to see the difference and are blind to Obama's slime ACORN thugocracy.

Actually, Governor Palin represents everything that Chomsky resents about America. As a statist socialist, he firmly believes in the principle of "Power to the Correct People", i.e., those "best suited" to administer everything for the "common good". That is, people like him.

So far, no one outside of academia has been a big enough idiot to give him the power he craves. So he has acquired it by being the Pied Piper (or maybe, the Svengali) of the radicals who share his twisted worldview. It has all of the perks, and none of the pitfalls.

When someone like Governor Palin starts as "just another hockey mom" and forces her way to the top of the ladder through sheer merit, it strikes at the core of his belief system. Because to him, ability is gauged by adherence to dogma, not by demonstrable effectiveness.

I suspect that he's hoping that Obama not only wins the election, but also figures out a way to destroy Governor Palin politically and in terms of her reputation.

Because his tiny mind and twisted soul can not tolerate the existence of someone whose entire life makes a liar out of him, and his "philosophy".

cheers

eon

I prefer to take my political insight from Nim Chimpsky.

One of the 10 Famous Monkeys* in Science.

re: #61 sojerofgod

Worse, many are so angry that the veiled threats are starting to fly about civil disobedience if Obama wins narrowly and they think fraud is the cause. We really really need to be careful. Some among us who are a little undisciplined and upset might take that too seriously, and if a pot-shot is taken at the democrat nominee we could all be for enormous trouble. We cannot give the dems the excuse they want to shut down free speech on the Internet.

Ah, a few short but critical points.

1) A little civil disobedience isn't all that bad.

2) Civil disobedience does not include assassination attempts. That is ludicrous.

3) Decrying the possibility of an assassination not because it might succeed, but because "they" might take away your Internet is beyond absurd.

I mean really.