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Coming Soon: The Pain Ray

Science | Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 2:54:08 pm PDT

A ray that causes intense pain but (when used as directed) no lasting injury: Army Orders Pain Ray Trucks; New Report Shows ‘Potential for Death’.

After years of testing, the Active Denial System — the pain ray which drives off rioters with a microwave-like beam — could finally have its day. The Army is buying five of the truck-mounted systems for $25 million. But the energy weapon may face new hurdles, before it’s shipped off to the battlefield; a new report details how the supposedly non-lethal blaster could be turned into a flesh-frying killer.

The contract for the pain ray trucks is “expected to be awarded by year’s end,” Aviation Week notes. “A year after the contract is signed, the combination vehicle/weapons will start be fielded at the rate of one per month.”

It’s been a very long time coming. As we’ve previously reported, there have been calls to deploy the Active Denial System in Iraq going back to 2004. But it’s always been delayed for legal, political, and public relations reasons. Anything that might be condemned as torture is political dynamite. Interestingly, the version being bought is not the full-size “Version 2,” but a containerized system known as Silent Guardian, which Raytheon have been trying to sell for some time. They describe Silent Guardian as “roughly 1/3 the size and power of the other Active Denial Systems,” and quote it’s range as “greater than 250 meters.” The larger system has a range somewhere in excess of 700 meters.

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1 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 2:54:40pm

At first I thought that said, "Palin Ray."

2 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 2:55:50pm

Here I thought this would be an article on 0bama's tax policies.

3 Maximu§  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 2:56:15pm

I have a Pain Ray right here at home...its called a Wife!

4 AbuHoul  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 2:56:23pm

What kind of pain are we talking about really? Like a swift sharp kick in the nuts?

5 WrathofG-d  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 2:56:31pm

Oh great, so the protesters can throw rocks, molotov cocktails, and bricks at the cops, and the cops can respond by using a "ray" that will end up not killing the protester but ensuring that the cop that used it is sued for the rest of his/her life.

This will not deter any type of violence against the cops but probably instead just encourage it.

Furthermore, what is the point? Are people no longer allowed to peaceably assemble?

6 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 2:57:04pm

Those would come in handy at anti-war marches.

Though of course with the dawning of the Era of Hopenchange upon us, anti-war rallies will be postponed indefinitely.

7 gop_patriot  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 2:57:24pm
a new report details how the supposedly non-lethal blaster could be turned into a flesh-frying killer.

Ouch.

8 cliffster  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 2:57:36pm

Wow, sounds like a new strategy. "General, it's easy. Just push the We Win button" Sorta like the Easy Button from Staples.

9 ajackson  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 2:57:59pm

In live tests it was shown to be even more painful than the second Presidential debate.

10 gop_patriot  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 2:58:02pm

re: #1 goddessoftheclassroom

At first I thought that said, "Palin Ray."

LOL Me too! :)

11 razorbacker  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 2:58:09pm

A 'Pain Ray'? Great Goodilygoob! You can't deploy that! It's unAmerican to broadcast the MSM into third-world nations! What? Oh. Nevermind.

12 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 2:58:29pm

Benny Goodman had one of those, I'm pretty sure.

13 Slumbering Behemoth  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 2:58:50pm

America! Fuck yeah!

14 Salem  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 2:59:13pm

Your agonizer, please...

15 Pullus Iulius  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 2:59:39pm

Considering the direction I'm afraid our government may turn, I'm not particularly happy that we have this.

16 ACJohn  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 2:59:41pm

pain Ray= Chris Mathews Laugh

17 faraway  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 2:59:56pm

It works. It's been blasting MSNBC all year.

18 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:00:18pm

I need one of these for driving.

19 looking closely  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:00:46pm

Its better than live fire, I suppose.

20 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:00:55pm

Science!

21 Miss Trixie  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:00:56pm

re: #1 goddessoftheclassroom

At first I thought that said, "Palin Ray."

ME TOO! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! :D

22 Catttt  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:01:18pm

Good old Raytheon - still the company to turn to when you want the latest, bestest rays.

23 vagabond trader  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:01:19pm

Should park one permanently outside congress.For protection of our honorable officials, of course.

24 gop_patriot  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:01:21pm

I just like the name "Pain Ray Truck". That's awesome.

I wonder what will be painted on the side? Will there be warnings? "This truck's Pain Ray could cause your flesh to fry if not used properly. Studies have shown there is a possible potential for death."

25 arethusa  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:01:30pm

When will Obama let the Iranians get one?/

26 ninewhile  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:01:43pm

I'm confident, once deployed and captured in combat, that it won't be reverse engineered at the first chance by the Chinese and Russians and up for sale soonest.

yup. never happen.

27 faraway  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:02:03pm

Apparently we have been torturing civilians with this. Who knew?

28 A Kiwi Infidel  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:02:22pm

"Active denial systems"

I just love the way these terms pop up, all cutesy.

"Extreme nervous incapacitation system" just doesnt have the same ring, nor marketing potential.

29 lifeofthemind  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:02:32pm
30 faraway  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:02:42pm

re: #23 vagabond trader

Should park one permanently outside congress.For protection of our honorable officials, of course.

Pointed in which direction?

31 WrathofG-d  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:03:00pm

such cognizant dialectic

32 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:03:15pm

Will Chairman Obama turn it on us when he becomes Commander in Chief.
/Sorry, couldn't resist

33 Maximu§  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:03:29pm

could be turned into a flesh-frying killer.

So before any street protest, I guess we should lather ourselves in BBQ sauce and start frying.

34 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:03:36pm
35 arethusa  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:03:38pm

re: #30 faraway

Pointed in which direction?

I'd rather protect the public from Congress.

36 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:04:06pm

Where's my tin foil?

37 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:04:12pm
38 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:04:15pm

Israel has a new stink weapon (a "Skunk" bomb) that is sprayed through a water hose at rock throwing protesters and makes them stink horribly.

The stinking protesters run home to wash up but I think the stink lasts for a few days. In clothing, the stink can last up to 5 years.

It's all organic stink, too. Safe enough to drink, per the IDF (although I don't know if anyone has had the courage to take a swig.)

I think the stink bomb sounds like a good idea. Apparently, it's stinkier than the "Palestinian" areas are normally, so it really does send rock throwers scurrying away.

39 loflyer  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:05:05pm

Yaar! Mates we are blogging from Manual's tavern, yours truly, Lucius Septimius, Doppelganglander send y'all greetings! I doubt we will be contributing to the thread, we are having to much fun talking to post! Haar

40 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:05:06pm

A perfect weapon for The O's Civilian Defense Corp. Only use it on the evilllllll Republicans and Independents that didn't ensure a complete 1000% Obama anointing.

41 vagabond trader  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:05:09pm

re: #30 faraway

Well, can't say what I really want to now can I.

42 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:05:17pm

re: #37 buzzsawmonkey

Those are hair rays.

LOL!

43 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:05:19pm
44 faraway  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:05:45pm
45 A Kiwi Infidel  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:06:10pm

re: #39 loflyer

Yaar! Mates we are blogging from Manual's tavern, yours truly, Lucius Septimius, Doppelganglander send y'all greetings! I doubt we will be contributing to the thread, we are having to much fun talking to post! Haar


Enjoy, I am not envious.........

/

46 capitalist piglet  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:06:41pm

re: #22 Catttt

Good old Raytheon - still the company to turn to when you want the latest, bestest rays.

I have some Raytheon stock. Kinda brings a tear to my eye...I'm a little choked up...

47 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:06:42pm

re: #43 buzzsawmonkey

I've been to Israel.

I think that a "stink weapon" on protesters there is coals to Newcastle.

Perfume to a French Whore House?

48 vapig  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:07:05pm

"Anything that might be condemned as torture is political dynamite."

They whine when we kill combatants trying to kill us and they'll whine when we don't. There is just no pleasing these people.

49 Maximu§  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:07:07pm

The Army is buying five of the truck-mounted systems for $25 million. But the energy weapon may face new hurdles,

and its a Big-Fat, slow moving target that can be taken out with a $150 RPG.

50 faraway  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:07:41pm

I just noticed one of the "journalist's" names. Dick Destiny.

51 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:07:46pm

re: #44 faraway

Egads! Goats may have been killed by this thing.

Egads indeed! The Petagon AND the Liberal Media being blamed! A Twofer!

52 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:07:58pm

re: #39 loflyer

Yaar! Mates we are blogging from Manual's tavern, yours truly, Lucius Septimius, Doppelganglander send y'all greetings! I doubt we will be contributing to the thread, we are having to much fun talking to post! Haar

Send kisses all around from me!

53 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:08:08pm

best of all- you can use them as props in Godzilla movies

54 obscured by clouds  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:08:09pm

I just got back from the Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot in West Point, KY. If Obama gets in office it (the machine gun shoot), like this weapon system (which was about the only one not on display at the shoot) will be first on the chopping block.

I don't have a gun and have never been a "gun nut," but now is the time to buy a gun if you're thinking about it. Obama + Pelosi/Reid/Durbin et al are going to try and pull an end run on the 2nd ammendment, filibuster proof. Write it down (not that their attempts will be successful).

Oh...and the Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot is the wildest thing this side of Mogadishu. The last one I attended -right after 9/11 in 2001- they announced that the first bombs had just been dropped in Afghanistan. The place went nuts. If there's been a C 130 transport plane headed to Afghanistan every 60 year old, beer bellied, gun nut there would've been on it.

55 faraway  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:08:19pm

Wait, now I am confused if that's his name, or his title.

56 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:08:24pm

re: #43 buzzsawmonkey

I've been to Israel.

I think that a "stink weapon" on protesters there is coals to Newcastle.

The stink weapon has already been tried, though, and the rock throwers did scurry away.

Imagine how stinky this bomb must be for the rock throwers to so offended.

It must be the 'mother of all stinks.' :)

57 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:08:55pm
58 alien_mind  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:09:43pm

the pain ray secret? Slim Whitman.

59 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:10:07pm

re: #54 obscured by clouds

Belt fed. Oh, yeah!

60 opnion  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:10:12pm

re: #40 FurryOldGuyJeans

A perfect weapon for The O's Civilian Defense Corp. Only use it on the evilllllll Republicans and Independents that didn't ensure a complete 1000% Obama anointing.


Look, everfybody knows that if Obama does not get 99.9% of the voye it is due to racist, voter fraud. Acorn is only there to prevent guys in Izod shirts from stealing votes.

61 willowone  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:11:04pm

re: #44 faraway
[Link: www.snotr.com...]

they were only pretending

62 HelloDare  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:11:35pm

Code name: Cheney's Evil Eye

63 vapig  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:11:39pm

re: #51 FurryOldGuyJeans

Egads indeed! The Petagon AND the Liberal Media being blamed! A Twofer!

PETAgon? Is that a new animal org to compete with the Pentagon?

64 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:11:46pm

re: #57 buzzsawmonkey

In Gaza, however, the 'stink bomb' may have too much competition to penetrate the existing stink (even if the bomb broke the 'speed of stink' barrier.)

65 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:11:59pm

re: #57 buzzsawmonkey

Pretty much, yes.

Sacré bleu! Alours! Ze Stink!

66 gop_patriot  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:12:06pm

re: #62 HelloDare

Code name: Cheney's Evil Eye

ROFLOL

67 mardukhai  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:12:30pm

re: #4 AbuHoul

It's like being burned alive. The instinct is to run like hell.

68 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:12:56pm

re: #63 vapig

PETAgon? Is that a new animal org to compete with the Pentagon?

Ooops! PIMF! Pentagon. I knew today was not the day to give up sniffing pet food. ;)

69 faraway  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:13:11pm

re: #67 mardukhai

It's like being burned alive. The instinct is to run like hell.

Sounds like Rosie ODonnell

70 mardukhai  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:13:18pm

re: #43 buzzsawmonkey

I think that a "stink weapon" on protesters there is coals to Newcastle.

Heh.

71 godfrey  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:13:35pm

A "pain ray"?

What, you mean like four years of an Obama presidency?

72 FrogMarch  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:13:40pm

re: #51 FurryOldGuyJeans

Egads indeed! The Petagon AND the Liberal Media being blamed! A Twofer!

if you keep reading - David Horowitz gets smacked with some BS.

73 lifeofthemind  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:13:50pm

The amazing thing is that they have a mobile power supply for it. On the ship we told the troops that the SPG-52 fire control radar could cook a steak if you could point it down at the deck. Serious amount of energy being put out. Stuff was tagged out before allowing men to work aloft.

74 vapig  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:13:59pm

re: #64 Adina in Judea

In Gaza, however, the 'stink bomb' may have too much competition to penetrate the existing stink (even if the bomb broke the 'speed of stink' barrier.)

The Israelis have a "make you puke" ray, don't they? Sound-waves that make a person nauseous?

75 So?  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:14:07pm

Get out the marshmallows.

76 vapig  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:14:50pm

re: #68 FurryOldGuyJeans

Ooops! PIMF! Pentagon. I knew today was not the day to give up sniffing pet food. ;)

LOL!

77 So?  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:14:56pm

When is The Fart Ray Truck going to be available?

78 WrathofG-d  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:14:58pm

Here is the active denial system in action:

Exhibit 1

Exhibit A

Exhibit B


Exhibit C

and according to many of the comments, it seems my boys at ZOG invented the thing. Way to go boys...mazel tov!

79 conservativeChick  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:15:07pm

It would be so wonderful to use this on protesters.

80 obscured by clouds  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:15:27pm

per my post #54

If there's been a C 130 transport plane headed to Afghanistan every 60 year old, beer bellied, gun nut there would've been on it.

And AQ and the Taliban would've been running scared. Seriously.

81 HelloDare  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:15:36pm

They tested the pain ray on Harry Reid.

It actually made him feel better.

82 So?  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:15:44pm

They could name it The Palinator™

83 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:16:25pm

re: #72 FrogMarch

if you keep reading - David Horowitz gets smacked with some BS.

Zounds! They are just so, well, TROOF!

84 lifeofthemind  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:16:25pm

re: #73 lifeofthemind

Correct the typo SPG (spig) 55 radar

85 Slumbering Behemoth  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:16:39pm

Later Lizards, gotta grill.

86 eon  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:17:09pm

If the Wired babies are worried about "second and third degree burns over 50% of the body" if this thing is turned a little too high, they'd better hope nobody turns it to "narrow beam" instead of "fan".

A 20Kj narrow-beam laser pulse of about 2-3 milliseconds will do a very thorough job of spreading a human hit by it around the neighborhood in bits and pieces.

More information on how weaponized lasers really work, and their real-world effects (as opposed to Hollywood) here;

Atomic Rocket- Sidearms

Warning; for SF geeks or high-energy anything buffs, this site is highly addictive.

cheers

eon

87 vapig  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:17:12pm

re: #81 HelloDare

They tested the pain ray on Harry Reid.

It actually made him feel better.

ROTFLMAO!

88 opnion  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:17:12pm

re: #79 conservativeChick

It would be so wonderful to use this on protesters.

Wait, if the ONE is elected , your comrade block captain will have one of thes to control you.
Dissent will be forbidden.

89 FrogMarch  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:17:35pm

re: #78 WrathofG-d

great links - thanks!

90 A Kiwi Infidel  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:17:48pm

re: #77 So?

When is The Fart Ray Truck going to be available?


Still on trial, tests not going well.

91 mardukhai  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:18:10pm

By the way, my alma mater San Francisco State, is "commemorating" the gangsters who tried to kill me and 400 others in a firebomb attack in 1967.

The official version is that, despite contemporary newspaper accounts, the attack never happened. Makes me feel all nice and cozy inside.

92 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:18:44pm

re: #77 So?

When is The Fart Ray Truck going to be available?

Let me eat a few bean burritos first, please. ;)

93 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:18:46pm

re: #74 vapig

The Israelis have a "make you puke" ray, don't they? Sound-waves that make a person nauseous?

Yes. It's called "The Scream." It incites "The Puke" from rock throwing protesters by vibrating internal organs with sound.

I'm not sure when the IDF would choose between one weapon and the other (to get rock throwers to stink versus getting them to puke.) Not that the end result would be much different, I guess.

At least if they stink, they can still run away (which would be an advantage to the stink weapon.) It's better than having them stinking and staying.

94 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:19:08pm
The Pain Ray

Deploy it to Ohio on 11/4.

/the e-mail text box is still in the wrong place no matter how many times I reload

95 crimeshark  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:20:07pm

From Wiki:

"At 95 GHz, the frequency is much higher than the 2.45 GHz of a microwave oven. This frequency was chosen because, due to the stronger absorption of water at those frequencies, they penetrate the skin to a depth of less than 1/64 of an inch (0.4 mm),[7] which is where the nerve endings are located."

As someone who used to work in military contracting, I can assure you of two things- this device will cost 10x more than advertised, and it has already been modified into something that will fry troops like a bucket of KFC. I can't wait for the first handheld "blaster" version a few years down the road.

Ain't tech wonderful?

96 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:20:20pm

re: #94 Killian Bundy

Deploy it to Ohio on 11/4.

/the e-mail text box is still in the wrong place no matter how many times I reload

Ever think the text box is in the correct place but the rest of the page isn't?

97 eon  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:20:41pm

re: #88 opnion

Wait, if the ONE is elected , your comrade block captain will have one of thes to control you.
Dissent will be forbidden.

What? No pain induction collars?

D**mit, if I'm going to be enslaved, I want a frickin' Pain Induction Collar.

/Just like Captain Kirk in Gamesters of Triskelion.

/sarc or snark, your call

cheers

eon

98 vapig  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:20:43pm

re: #93 Adina in Judea

Yes. It's called "The Scream." It incites "The Puke" from rock throwing protesters by vibrating internal organs with sound.

I'm not sure when the IDF would choose between one weapon and the other (to get rock throwers to stink versus getting them to puke.) Not that the end result would be much different, I guess.

At least if they stink, they can still run away (which would be an advantage to the stink weapon.) It's better than having them stinking and staying.

Cool!

99 arethusa  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:21:08pm

re: #1 goddessoftheclassroom

At first I thought that said, "Palin Ray."

We have one of those already. When it attacks, it winks. :-)

100 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:21:15pm

If the Pain Ray Truck is coming soon, maybe the Brown Note Scooter won't be far behind?

101 opnion  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:21:23pm

re: #94 Killian Bundy

Deploy it to Ohio on 11/4.

/the e-mail text box is still in the wrong place no matter how many times I reload

Ohio is now just a one point spred according to CNN, Obama 49%- McCain 48%.

102 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:21:31pm
103 WrathofG-d  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:22:23pm

re: #93 Adina in Judea

I don't know how I feel about non-lethal weapons like this. Since the pain is exceptionally temporary, it has ZERO deterrence factor. As is seen in some of the "exhibits" i linked above, the "victims" of the ray can come back and be problematic almost immediately after they get out of the "line of sight" of the weapon.

Property applied excessive force on one individual can have the positive affect of deterring hundreds of other individuals. These types of weapons are only going to encourage violent behavior.

104 riesling fan  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:23:37pm

As we learned at Mad Scientist school, never confuse "rays" with "beams"!

105 stuiec  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:23:41pm

re: #4 AbuHoul

What kind of pain are we talking about really? Like a swift sharp kick in the nuts?

It's been described as the feeling of standing in front of a blast furnace and having the insulating door opened all at once: searing heat.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1540674/ Non-lethal-ray-gun-aims-to-quell-rioters.html

AND

How I was zapped by a heat wave gun

106 So?  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:23:46pm

How about

The Make Your Beard Fall Off Ray Machine

that would disperse the crowds quick in certain countries,

107 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:24:24pm

re: #96 FurryOldGuyJeans

Ever think the text box is in the correct place but the rest of the page isn't?

/no, the email text box comes after (Log Out) and it's supposed to render after Email:

108 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:25:03pm

Maybe we should just deploy trucks with big lamps in the back - I read the other day that the Al Gore curly light bulbs are being reconsidered because they give off a boat-load more UV rays than regular light bulbs, and can result in people getting sunburns if they sit too close to them.

109 ACJohn  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:25:25pm

re: #106 So?

How about

The Make Your Beard Fall Off Ray Machine

that would disperse the crowds quick in certain countries,


Or make MO fall away from BHO

110 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:25:31pm

re: #103 WrathofG-d

I don't know how I feel about non-lethal weapons like this. Since the pain is exceptionally temporary, it has ZERO deterrence factor.

Israel's stink bomb (or skunk bomb) isn't all that temporary, though. People can stink for days no matter how often they wash. Their clothing can stink for 5 years.

I think it's as bad or worse than an actual skunk's spray. The smell is overpowering compared to almost anything else and it sticks around for awhile.

It does seem to get people to scurry away (and they don't return quickly.)

111 So?  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:25:46pm

The deadliest weapon known to man.

113 arethusa  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:25:58pm

re: #108 Intrepid

Maybe we should just deploy trucks with big lamps in the back - I read the other day that the Al Gore curly light bulbs are being reconsidered because they give off a boat-load more UV rays than regular light bulbs, and can result in people getting sunburns if they sit too close to them.

Also, if you break 'em, they're poisonous. Don't touch a broken curly bulb with your bare hands.

114 opnion  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:26:13pm

How long before the Obama Campaign puts out a press release that this is a racist innovation, with the only intent to supress people of color on a global scale?

115 willowone  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:26:27pm

[Link: www.philly.com...] more well behaved Obama supporters

116 willowone  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:27:26pm

I would think the pain ray done well could really calm high emotions down pretty quickly , seems liek a great idea done responsibly

117 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:28:09pm

re: #113 arethusa

Also, if you break 'em, they're poisonous. Don't touch a broken curly bulb with your bare hands.

"We'll make you GREEN if we have to kill you to do it!"

Al Gore

119 gop_patriot  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:28:36pm

re: #108 Intrepid

I read the other day that the Al Gore curly light bulbs are being reconsidered because they give off a boat-load more UV rays than regular light bulbs, and can result in people getting sunburns if they sit too close to them.

Good. I hope they get rid of the lot of them; they give off no light. I have tried reading by those damn things and it's like not having a light on at all.

120 Bobibutu  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:28:37pm

Pain Ray Fries AP Reporter

For your viewing pleasure.

121 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:28:51pm

re: #79 conservativeChick

It would be so wonderful to use this on protesters.

Why? We have the RIGHT TO PROTEST.

122 godfrey  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:28:52pm

re: #105 stuiec

A blast furnace is not a good analogy. At $2300 F, a blast furnace will melt you instantly.

It would be more like cleaning out a refractory-lined mixer. At 700 degrees, that's plenty hot, and you'll be scared.

Trust me on this. In the mill, we got 30 seconds inside the mixer. Air horns going full blast. It was as close to hell as I ever want to get.

123 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:29:00pm

re: #106 So?

How about

The Make Your Beard Fall Off Ray Machine

that would disperse the crowds quick in certain countries,

A "Curse Be Upon Your Mustache" weapon would be even better (i.e. something that makes a mustache fall off.)

When representatives of Kuwait and Saddam's Iraq met at an Arab League function prior to the Iraq War, "Curse Be Upon Your Mustache" was the ultimate insult. It would be worse if it actually results in the mustache falling off, though.

It would freak out a number of people in certain areas, alright.

Hamas has been shaving off Fatah mustaches in fighting in recent months, just to give an idea of how offensive it is.

124 JacksonTn  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:29:19pm

Finally, Wash. Post doing story on Obama and Odinga:

[Link: www.washtimes.com...]

125 vagabond trader  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:29:41pm

re: #106 So?

I think we tried something like that on Castro years ago.

126 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:29:50pm

Speaking of a "pain", guess who courageously "piled in" at the end of the ACORN thread ...

re: #621 Mr. Sandman

127 opnion  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:30:51pm

re: #125 vagabond trader

I think we tried something like that on Castro years ago.

Wasn't it an exploding cigar?

128 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:30:54pm

Sarah Palin Drops Puck At Flyers Home Opener

Crowd goes wild!

/let's see Ol' Plugs top that!

129 gop_patriot  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:31:34pm

re: #115 willowone

[Link: www.philly.com...] more well behaved Obama supporters

From your link:

Several Republicans attendees complained of the protesters' vulgarity, especially in light of recent criticism of the behavior of people at McCain-Palin rallies.

Outside Broad Street, waiting for Palin to leave, one man was heard saying, "Let's stone her, old school."

130 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:31:36pm

re: #126 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Speaking of a "pain", guess who courageously "piled in" at the end of the ACORN thread ...

He's the ultimate brown note - he bores the shit outta me.

131 Ringo the Gringo  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:32:32pm
...a new report details how the supposedly non-lethal blaster could be turned into a flesh-frying killer.

I wonder if they could use this thing to kill all the rats in Downtown L.A.?

132 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:32:54pm

re: #121 MandyManners

Why? We have the RIGHT TO PROTEST.

Oh come on Mandy.
It would be fun to just ONCE zap those "scarf over the face guys" who think they are so frikkin macho!
LMAO!

133 vagabond trader  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:32:54pm

re: #127 opnion

That as well, but the spooks also attempted or planned to feed him something to cause the facial hair to fall out iirc.

134 redshirt  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:33:10pm

I love it when tools protest the use of weapons like this and tazers.
Would they prefer they go back to old reliable? AKA firearms?

135 eon  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:33:30pm

re: #113 arethusa

Also, if you break 'em, they're poisonous. Don't touch a broken curly bulb with your bare hands.

I tried those things once. And found that in my (turn of the last century) house with globed ceiling light fixtures, there was not one single bulb that was "short" enough to allow the globe to be replaced as per SOP when the "Curly" was screwed in.

The packages of "compact fluorescents" (25, 40, and 65 watt) went back to the store, and a polite e-mail on the subject of "Didn't you think of this in the design stages?" went to the maker (GE).

/two years ago, still waiting for an answer and using incandescents.

cheers

eon

136 willowone  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:33:55pm

re: #129 gop_patriot
They truly have become a part of our population i hadn't known existed, althouh i did see it building since 2003, but they have become lunatics.

137 twincitiesgirl  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:34:27pm

I think this should have been used at the San Francisco rally/march/orgies or whatever it was Zombie posted about a few months ago. Don't they have laws against such inappropriate behavior in public in SF? Freaked me out and made me ill.

138 godfrey  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:34:27pm

re: #124 JacksonTn

Great link, thanks.

Initially, Mr. Odinga was not the favored opposition candidate to stand in the 2007 election against President Mwai Kibaki, who was seeking his second term. However, he received a tremendous boost when Sen. Barack Obama arrived in Kenya in August 2006 to campaign on his behalf. Mr. Obama denies that supporting Mr. Odinga was the intention of his trip, but his actions and local media reports tell otherwise.

Mr. Odinga and Mr. Obama were nearly inseparable throughout Mr. Obama's six-day stay. The two traveled together throughout Kenya and Mr. Obama spoke on behalf of Mr. Odinga at numerous rallies.

My contempt for Obama has no bottom. He is utterly, absolutely revolting. For the sake of human decency everywhere, from south side Chicago to the burned churches of Kenya, his bid for the presidency should be destroyed, his career ruined, and salt spread on the political ashes.

139 gop_patriot  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:34:50pm

re: #132 Typicalwhitey

Oh come on Mandy.
It would be fun to just ONCE zap those "scarf over the face guys" who think they are so frikkin macho!
LMAO!

I wonder if they could focus it so it just gives protesters the 'hot foot'. Then they could make them dance. Add some real entertainment value, cause those silly giant puppets are just stupid. lol

140 Charles  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:34:56pm

That problem with the email box in the wrong place in IE6 is fixed. Reload.

141 opnion  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:35:16pm

re: #133 vagabond trader

That as well, but the spooks also attempted or planned to feed him something to cause the facial hair to fall out iirc.


I hadn't heard that. What good is a Marxist Revolutionary without his beard?

142 Racer X  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:35:19pm

On the battlefield:
Option #1 - Pain Ray
Option #2 - JDAM

Its good to keep your options open.

143 godfrey  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:36:27pm

More on Odinga:

The details of the MOU were shocking. In return for Muslim backing, Mr. Odinga promised to impose a number of measures favored by Muslims if he were elected president. Among these were recognition of "Islam as the only true religion," Islamic leaders would have an "oversight role to monitor activities of ALL other religions [emphasis in original]," installation of Shariah courts in every jurisdiction, a ban on Christian preaching, replacement of the police commissioner who "allowed himself to be used by heathens and Zionists," adoption of a women's dress code, and bans on alcohol and pork.

This is the guy Obama was campaigning for. Christ...

144 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:36:56pm

I think they should come up with a "External Sexual Organs Shrinkage Ray".

That would solve it, I'll just betcha.

145 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:37:15pm

re: #130 Intrepid

He's the ultimate brown note - he bores the shit outta me.

Yeah, but "note" isn't the noun I'd use with that adjective.
Hop over and down-ding the .....

146 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:37:24pm
147 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:37:30pm

When Charles says to reload, it's the blogging equivalent of a stadium filled with people doing "the wave." :)

148 FrogMarch  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:37:55pm

there's something cool and admirable about non-lethal weapons. But we all know the left will not approve.

149 Stinky Beaumont  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:38:06pm

Man, what a dog IE6 is.

IE6 Death March!

150 godfrey  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:38:36pm

More:

Raila Odinga is a Marxist. He graduated from East Germany's Magdeburg University in 1970 on a scholarship provided by the East German government. He named his oldest son after Fidel Castro.

Why the goddamned hell aren't people grilling Obama on his connection to this guy? Is the entire TV press corps the American equivalent of Pravda?

Unbelievable.

151 yochanan  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:38:36pm

re: #123 Adina in Judea

A "Curse Be Upon Your Mustache" weapon would be even better (i.e. something that makes a mustache fall off.)

When representatives of Kuwait and Saddam's Iraq met at an Arab League function prior to the Iraq War, "Curse Be Upon Your Mustache" was the ultimate insult. It would be worse if it actually results in the mustache falling off, though.

It would freak out a number of people in certain areas, alright.

Hamas has been shaving off Fatah mustaches in fighting in recent months, just to give an idea of how offensive it is.

IT WAS 'I FART ON YOUR MUSTACHE' if i am not mistaken.

152 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:38:54pm

re: #140 Charles

That problem with the email box in the wrong place in IE6 is fixed. Reload.

/fixes it with IE7 too

153 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:39:06pm

re: #134 redshirt

I love it when tools protest the use of weapons like this and tazers.
Would they prefer they go back to old reliable? AKA firearms?

Just to ask (not advocating it), did you ever see "Dr. Zhivago"?

154 HDrepub  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:39:08pm

re: #121 MandyManners

Why? We have the RIGHT TO PROTEST.

But it would still be fun Mandy. A man can dream can't he?

155 lifeofthemind  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:39:24pm

Feeding time

156 vagabond trader  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:39:49pm

re: #141 opnion

lol! Here, hot off the press.

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

157 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:40:05pm

re: #144 Intrepid

I think they should come up with a "External Sexual Organs Shrinkage Ray".

That would solve it, I'll just betcha.

SEXIST!

158 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:40:40pm

re: #144 Intrepid

I think they should come up with a "External Sexual Organs Shrinkage Ray".

That would solve it, I'll just betcha.

This weapon already exists.

It's been deployed in the form of a rumor about what would happen to Muslim men if they shook hands with a Jewish person. A number of Muslim men absolutely swore it was true in their own personal experiences!

159 Racer X  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:40:45pm

Who is Obama?

160 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:40:48pm

re: #147 Adina in Judea

When Charles says to reload, it's the blogging equivalent of a stadium filled with people doing "the wave." :)

LOL!

161 Lively  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:41:09pm

re: #123 Adina in Judea

A "Curse Be Upon Your Mustache" weapon would be even better (i.e. something that makes a mustache fall off.)

When representatives of Kuwait and Saddam's Iraq met at an Arab League function prior to the Iraq War, "Curse Be Upon Your Mustache" was the ultimate insult. It would be worse if it actually results in the mustache falling off, though.

It would freak out a number of people in certain areas, alright.

Hamas has been shaving off Fatah mustaches in fighting in recent months, just to give an idea of how offensive it is.

Chemo

162 FrogMarch  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:41:39pm

re: #105 stuiec

It's been described as the feeling of standing in front of a blast furnace and having the insulating door opened all at once: searing heat.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew s/1540674/Non-lethal-ray-gun-aims-to-que ll-rioters.html

AND

How I was zapped by a heat wave gun

The aim was to spread the word that the device, nicknamed the Silent Guardian, is neither sinister nor dangerous. In an age when the US military has been dogged by alle

gations of torture at secret bases, such perceptions are crucial.

163 SteveRogers  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:41:40pm

The way this election season is going is worse than a pain ray, because it will cause lasting damage, even if McCain wins.
Which is less likely as long as he wants to avoid hurting Obama's feelings.

164 DistantThunder  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:42:17pm

Where can I find the child-safe version of the pain ray gun?

165 leftover54  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:42:25pm

re: #5 WrathofG-d

I may be way off base here - but I'm guessing the interest in this story may have something more to do with the outcome of the election. No point in general, just makes for some interesting SciFi like visions of what the future may have in store for us on the domestic front. Don't forget, one can use a weapon to defend themselves - or, to ones great surprise, the same weapon can wind up being used against you. Just sayin'...

166 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:42:49pm

re: #145 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Yeah, but "note" isn't the noun I'd use with that adjective.
Hop over and down-ding the .....

Down-dinged appropriately. He's sure got the Obama talking points down, that's for sure.

167 Lively  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:43:09pm

re: #164 DistantThunder

Where can I find the child-safe version of the pain ray gun?

paddle

168 arethusa  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:43:11pm

re: #159 Racer X

Who is Obama?

/Is that a trick question?

169 FrogMarch  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:43:22pm

re: #162 FrogMarch

The aim was to spread the word that the device, nicknamed the Silent Guardian, is neither sinister nor dangerous. In an age when the US military has been dogged by allegations of torture at secret bases, such perceptions are crucial.

There.
fixed.

170 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:43:32pm

re: #166 Intrepid

Down-dinged appropriately. He's sure got the Obama talking points down, that's for sure.

What would people like him do without the Windows Clipboard?

171 eon  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:43:56pm

re: #143 godfrey

More on Odinga:

This is the guy Obama was campaigning for. Christ...

And this is surprising- how?

/like all "progressives", Obama's knee-jerk reflex is to side with the most brutal, repressive would-be dictator around. The only requirements, apparently, are a reflexive hatred of America and (probably) anti-Semitism as well.

/look for a summit meeting with Hamas and Assad Jr. after the Triumph.

One more good reason to vote McCain/Palin, IMHO.

cheers

eon

172 opnion  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:44:15pm

re: #163 SteveRogers

The way this election season is going is worse than a pain ray, because it will cause lasting damage, even if McCain wins.
Which is less likely as long as he wants to avoid hurting Obama's feelings.


McCain wants to go back to the Senate feeling the love.
He knows that only a good loser will get that. Fight damn it!

173 Racer X  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:44:28pm

re: #164 DistantThunder

Where can I find the child-safe version of the pain ray gun?

I'm with Mandy - can I get one mounted on my truck? I'll have a large bumper sticker that says "cut me off at your own risk".

174 willowone  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:44:35pm

re: #157 pre-Boomer Marine brat
ig it will take a little off my rear i'll go first

175 willowone  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:44:46pm

if * even

176 Racer X  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:45:27pm

re: #168 arethusa

/Is that a trick question?

Who is Obama?

My new bumper sticker / email tag. Legitimate question.

Who is this guy?

177 CapeCoddah  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:45:36pm

re: #4 AbuHoul

What kind of pain are we talking about really? Like a swift sharp kick in the nuts?

Good evening all!
Saw a weapons through the ages show the other night, started with the trebuchet, and ended with this. They said the discomfort level was comparable to opening a hot oven and standing directly over it when that rush of hot air comes out. Said, if I remember correctly that it penetrated the skin to a minute depth.

178 DistantThunder  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:46:13pm

re: #173 Racer X

I'm with Mandy - can I get one mounted on my truck? I'll have a large bumper sticker that says "cut me off at your own risk".

objects in this mirror are hotter than they appear

179 CapeCoddah  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:46:40pm

re: #144 Intrepid

I think they should come up with a "External Sexual Organs Shrinkage Ray".

That would solve it, I'll just betcha.

LOL, that would solve the problem of women having to wear burka's.

180 SteveRogers  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:47:11pm

re: #177 CapeCoddah

Good evening all!
Saw a weapons through the ages show the other night, started with the trebuchet, and ended with this. They said the discomfort level was comparable to opening a hot oven and standing directly over it when that rush of hot air comes out. Said, if I remember correctly that it penetrated the skin to a minute depth.

The instant sunburn ray! Hope the enemy ain't wearing SPF 100.

181 solomonpanting  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:47:18pm

re: #1 goddessoftheclassroom

At first I thought that said, "Palin Ray."

"Oh, Magoo, you've done it again."

182 pat  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:48:34pm

I thought the IRS was the pain ray. I guess that was the pain in the ass.

183 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:48:50pm

Supper calleth, and bids me come to it.

BBL

184 DistantThunder  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:48:52pm

re: #179 CapeCoddah

LOL, that would solve the problem of women having to wear burka's.

They could be added to our list of Post-masculine males from last night - that was democrats but these would be dems if they could be.

Post-masculine is the term the liberals are using for Obama

185 stuiec  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:48:55pm

re: #97 eon

What? No pain induction collars?

D**mit, if I'm going to be enslaved, I want a frickin' Pain Induction Collar.

/Just like Captain Kirk in Gamesters of Triskelion.

/sarc or snark, your call

cheers

eon

These collars were even better.

186 profitsbeard  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:49:11pm

I just call it the Mainstream Media.

187 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:49:51pm

re: #174 willowone

ig it will take a little off my rear i'll go first

LOL!

188 Stinky Beaumont  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:50:36pm

Sometimes I want to grab Internet Explorer by the shirt and yell, "What is it about 'clear: both' that you don't understand?"

189 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:51:13pm

re: #181 solomonpanting

"Oh, Magoo, you've done it again."

/Happiness Is A Warm Gun

190 twincitiesgirl  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:51:34pm
Saw a weapons through the ages show the other night, started with the trebuchet, and ended with this. They said the discomfort level was comparable to opening a hot oven and standing directly over it when that rush of hot air comes out. Said, if I remember correctly that it penetrated the skin to a minute depth.

re: #177 CapeCoddah

Like opening your front door in the afternoon in Phoenix in July?

/maybe not

191 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:51:50pm
192 eon  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:52:11pm

re: #177 CapeCoddah

Good evening all!
Saw a weapons through the ages show the other night, started with the trebuchet, and ended with this. They said the discomfort level was comparable to opening a hot oven and standing directly over it when that rush of hot air comes out. Said, if I remember correctly that it penetrated the skin to a minute depth.

One reason they went to laser technology for this was that the original version, using microwave, penetrated the skin to a lot more than just "a minute depth". In fact, it could cause burns on internal organs.

/same principle as a microwave oven.

The interesting bit is, the types who are agitated about this (anticipating being on the receiving end the next time they try to storm a WTO conference, maybe) are more hysterical about the laser-based system than they were about the microwave-based one, which is actually more likely to cause inadvertent dangerous/lethal injury.

Proving that in addition to all their other problems, they are technological ignoramuses.

/not that I'm surprised.

cheers

eon

193 CapeCoddah  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:52:21pm

re: #184 DistantThunder

They could be added to our list of Post-masculine males from last night - that was democrats but these would be dems if they could be.

Post-masculine is the term the liberals are using for Obama

Missed that one, I will have to go look. I have been running after our 2yo granddaughter since Friday. Lord, I did not realize just how old 41 is until you have to chase a baby. I still say it is only masochists who have their first child after 40.

194 mensamann  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:53:08pm

re: #15 Pullus Iulius

Not to worry, a 300 Win Mag will go much further than the 250 meters the pain ray will cover! (Just kidding!)

195 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:53:10pm

Stinky has spoken.

/the only "more fulfilling Web experience" I've ever found is listening to Stinky

196 Racer X  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:53:37pm

Hmmm.

The AOL straw poll has tightened up.

McCain - 53%
Obama - 44%

197 CapeCoddah  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:53:41pm

re: #192 eon

One reason they went to laser technology for this was that the original version, using microwave, penetrated the skin to a lot more than just "a minute depth". In fact, it could cause burns on internal organs.

/same principle as a microwave oven.

The interesting bit is, the types who are agitated about this (anticipating being on the receiving end the next time they try to storm a WTO conference, maybe) are more hysterical about the laser-based system than they were about the microwave-based one, which is actually more likely to cause inadvertent dangerous/lethal injury.

Proving that in addition to all their other problems, they are technological ignoramuses.

/not that I'm surprised.

cheers

eon

Yep, they mentioned that. THAT would ruin your day!

198 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:54:39pm

re: #31 WrathofG-d

such cognizant dialectic

Be better if it was a capacitive dielectric. ;)

199 JacksonTn  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:54:54pm

re: #143 godfrey

More on Odinga:

This is the guy Obama was campaigning for. Christ...

There is a video of him campaigning in Kenya for Odinga .... I sent it to Charles yesterday or sometime but anyway ...... here it is:

200 Manfred the Wonder Dog  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:55:18pm

Maybe it's just because I remember Kent State- anybody want to start a pool predicting the date this is first turned against American Citizens? There seems to be a tendency among law enforcement to more readily abuse "non-lethal" weapons than lethal force...

[Link: tasertimes.com...]

I'm betting before 2010. Hundred bucks and a bottle of Jamesons. Any takers?

201 marsl  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:55:44pm

re: #106 So?

How about

The Make Your Beard Fall Off Ray Machine

that would disperse the crowds quick in certain countries,

Perhaps a "Make Your Penis Fall Ray Machine"?

The Arabs will surrender more quicker than the French.

202 godfrey  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:55:45pm

This Odinga connection is high caliber ammunition. Very, very useful.

203 eon  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:56:04pm

re: #194 mensamann

Not to worry, a 300 Win Mag will go much further than the 250 meters the pain ray will cover! (Just kidding!)

250 is where I always zeroed a .300 WM (180 grain match HP).

/Plaster's "all-singing, all-dancing" zero range for the .300

cheers

eon

204 Colonel Panik  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:56:22pm

Another great one from Victor Davis Hanson, in reference to the topic we were discussing yesterday:

Obama, as I have said ad nauseam, has brilliantly prepped the battlefield to such a degree that a Farrakhan endorsement or surrogates calling Palin a quasi-Nazi or a bimbo, or smearing McCain as near senile is irrelevant; yet one screamer in a crowd of tens of thousands is proof of McCain’s and Palin’s racism and hatred.

205 Wishing  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:56:43pm

re: #54 obscured by clouds

I just got back from the Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot in West Point, KY. If Obama gets in office it (the machine gun shoot), like this weapon system (which was about the only one not on display at the shoot) will be first on the chopping block.

I don't have a gun and have never been a "gun nut," but now is the time to buy a gun if you're thinking about it. Obama + Pelosi/Reid/Durbin et al are going to try and pull an end run on the 2nd ammendment, filibuster proof. Write it down (not that their attempts will be successful).

Oh...and the Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot is the wildest thing this side of Mogadishu. The last one I attended -right after 9/11 in 2001- they announced that the first bombs had just been dropped in Afghanistan. The place went nuts. If there's been a C 130 transport plane headed to Afghanistan every 60 year old, beer bellied, gun nut there would've been on it.

Did u rent a gun to shoot, or just watch?

206 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:57:11pm
207 CapeCoddah  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:57:12pm

re: #200 Manfred the Wonder Dog

Maybe it's just because I remember Kent State- anybody want to start a pool predicting the date this is first turned against American Citizens? There seems to be a tendency among law enforcement to more readily abuse "non-lethal" weapons than lethal force...

[Link: tasertimes.com...]

I'm betting before 2010. Hundred bucks and a bottle of Jamesons. Any takers?

They needed it at the Democratic convention, just to keep the moonbat stench at bay.

208 LEGION  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:57:14pm

Oh sure, they'll get the big machine ready for US demonstrators right if BO gets elected and conservatives come out in massive numbers to protest him. THEN it will be approved, if the bozo gets elected, you just watch.

209 mensamann  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:58:01pm

re: #203 eon

There you go! I rest my case.

210 CapeCoddah  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:58:30pm

re: #201 marsl

Perhaps a "Make Your Penis Fall Ray Machine"?

The Arabs will surrender more quicker than the French.

Add the "Smells like roasting pork" ray machine, and you have a winner!

211 opnion  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:58:37pm

re: #196 Racer X

Hmmm.

The AOL straw poll has tightened up.

McCain - 53%
Obama - 44%


That is still a big spread. McCain does not make it up by telling us what a decent guy his opponent is.
He has wasted so much time dithering, calling everybody "My Friends" & doing that goofy two thumbs up.
They send Sarah Palin out to do the tough work & then hang her out & let her twist on her own.

212 FrogMarch  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 3:59:04pm

re: #204 Colonel Panik

Another great one from Victor Davis Hanson, in reference to the topic we were discussing yesterday:

Instead I think what we are seeing again is an interesting phenomenon of the old nice/now mean McCain. A great many moderates and conservatives are worn out and tired of Bush and Bush hatred, the European furor, serial charges of racism and illiberalism, and finally, in their weariness, think that Obama will, in a variety of ways, just make all the ickiness go away–as if he will make all of us be liked abroad and end racial and red/blue fighting at home. They should ask themselves whether Jimmy Carter restored American popularity with his human rights campaigns, praise of left-wing dictators, dialogue during the hostage crisis (cf. “The Great Satan”), boasts of no more inordinate fear of communism, etc., or whether Obama, in his Trinity/Acorn/Pfleger years, brought racial healing and understanding to Chicago

screw exhaustion. The mobster cannot and will not win.

213 willowone  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:00:26pm

hey what does this mean

AOL System Msg [6:57 P.M.]: Your AOL screen name (******) has signed in from another location. This screen name is currently signed in at 2 locations. To sign off the other location(s), reply to this message with the number 1. Click here for more information

when i clicked it went dark for a minute and no answer

214 jwpaine  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:00:43pm

It may be that the government won't have to outlaw our guns--they'll just collect them from where they've fallen next to our writhing bodies.

215 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:01:03pm

re: #201 marsl

Perhaps a "Make Your Penis Fall Ray Machine"?

The Arabs will surrender more quicker than the French.

If you made it a ray that educated women and empowered them, I think you'd have it right.

216 leftover54  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:01:20pm

re: #118 WrathofG-d

"The new material, however, not only stops bullets but deflects them, rather than absorbing their force."

Wouldn't want to be one of the innocent bystanders should a bad guy decide to empty his clip...


/collateral damage

217 Marvo76  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:01:32pm

Shades of "atlas Shrugged"! Does anyone else remeber the Thompson harmonizer? I think these guys took the idea right out of the book...

218 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:01:50pm

re: #213 willowone

hey what does this mean

AOL System Msg [6:57 P.M.]: Your AOL screen name (******) has signed in from another location. This screen name is currently signed in at 2 locations. To sign off the other location(s), reply to this message with the number 1. Click here for more information

when i clicked it went dark for a minute and no answer

Sounds like your AOL account has become a faithful Dem voter for the Messiah.

219 Outrider  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:02:14pm

re: #5 WrathofG-d

Oh great, so the protesters can throw rocks, molotov cocktails, and bricks at the cops, and the cops can respond by using a "ray" that will end up not killing the protester but ensuring that the cop that used it is sued for the rest of his/her life.

This will not deter any type of violence against the cops but probably instead just encourage it.

Furthermore, what is the point? Are people no longer allowed to peaceably assemble?

Too bad this device doesn't really exist. ;-)>

220 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:02:27pm

Oh, pre-Boomer Marine Brat? Are you still here?

221 FrogMarch  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:02:28pm

re: #204 Colonel Panik

Another great one from Victor Davis Hanson, in reference to the topic we were discussing yesterday:

....

Yet for a self-acclaimed conservative to vote Obama would mean that higher taxes, larger government, more entitlements, more of a UN-centered foreign policy, dialogue with an Iran, less coal,oil, and nuclear energy production at home, more “oppression” studies and “reparations”, leftish Supreme Court judges, open borders (I could go on) were the truly conservative positions, or perhaps suddenly truly the ‘right’ positions.

And as far as ethics goes, in fact, a cursory review of the past Obama campaigns would reveal a ruthlessness never seen in any of McCain’s efforts. Obama’s record is far more left than McCain’s is far right. Obama the healer has proven to be the most partisan in the Senate, McCain one of the most bipartisan.

But to believe that truth would be–if we remember that scene in Tolkien’s Two Towers–to trust the grating harsh voice of Gandalf detailing the dangers of Saruman rather than the mellifluous charm of the latter who in soothing tones outlines his own victimhood.

222 willowone  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:02:34pm

re: #218 FurryOldGuyJeans
ugh, that was cruel, very very cruel.

223 SteveRogers  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:02:45pm

If the scumbag leftist lawyers wanna scream "torture" then use guns.
IMO I see no practicle use for this thing in Iraq.
It may actually be a distraction that gets soldiers killed.

And they shouldn't call it non-lethal. Maybe "mostly non-lethal."
Same with other "non-lethal" weapons. Nothing the military or cops use is 100% non-lethal.

224 LEGION  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:02:52pm

I haven't got time for the PAIN! I haven't got room for the PAIN- I haven't the Need for the PAIN!

225 jwpaine  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:03:10pm

Think how useful the Thompson Harmonizer would have been in the handws of Janet Reno.

226 Marvo76  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:03:26pm

a question a little off the subject (since the open thread isn't up yet tonight)
How will the US "obtaining" shares in US banks help the market, when the federal government is the biggest borrower/competiter for credit there is in the world?

Any one of you more senior lizzards have an idea?

227 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:04:06pm

re: #223 SteveRogers

And they shouldn't call it non-lethal. Maybe "mostly non-lethal."
Same with other "non-lethal" weapons. Nothing the military or cops use is 100% non-lethal.

So now is not the time to start going through his clothes, looking for loose change?

228 leftover54  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:04:12pm

re: #7 gop_patriot


Sounds like a "Tim the Tool Man Allen" version...

229 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:04:18pm

re: #220 goddessoftheclassroom

Oh, pre-Boomer Marine Brat? Are you still here?

(waves hand)
just barely, was going to leave for supper
whattcha got?

230 ACJohn  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:04:25pm

re: #226 Marvo76

Faster way to get cash to the banks to lend.

231 Marvo76  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:04:47pm

re: #225 jwpaine

I am shuddering as I read your response...

232 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:04:55pm

re: #229 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Just in time for din-din!

233 willowone  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:05:05pm

re: #218 FurryOldGuyJeans
seriosly though, does that mean literally someone else is also using my acct?

234 Irene NYC  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:05:06pm

re: #43 buzzsawmonkey

I've been to Israel.

I think that a "stink weapon" on protesters there is coals to Newcastle.

Coals to Newcastle started over 3 years ago:

Taking coals to Newcastle - it finally happens

From the Northern Echo, first published Thursday 5th Aug 2004.

IN the once coal-rich North-East, the phrase "taking coals to Newcastle" was a definition of the absurd.

But now, what for centuries was unthinkable, has happened - and shipments of cheap Russian coal have arrived on the Tyne.

Tyne Dock expects to import up to 70,000 tonnes by December in an experimental deal with a North-East smelter plant.

235 Racer X  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:05:09pm

re: #211 opnion

That is still a big spread. McCain does not make it up by telling us what a decent guy his opponent is.
He has wasted so much time dithering, calling everybody "My Friends" & doing that goofy two thumbs up.
They send Sarah Palin out to do the tough work & then hang her out & let her twist on her own.

What?

McCain is LEADING Obama 53% / 44%.

236 willowone  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:05:27pm

dang it , +u

237 JacksonTn  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:05:34pm

Seen these two lovely Obama supporters:

[Link: www.katu.com...]

torched McCain sign.

238 Marvo76  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:05:53pm

re: #230 ACJohn

But the government has to borrow those funds thru sales of T-bills which soak up capital that could otherwise be invest right?

239 mensamann  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:06:25pm

re: #216 leftover54

I wouldn't want to be wearing that little rubber suit when the bad guy was holding a Casull. I doubt you'd be getting up too soon!

240 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:06:42pm
241 ACJohn  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:06:48pm

re: #237 JacksonTn

Hmmm Very Ayers like behavior

242 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:06:53pm

re: #232 goddessoftheclassroom

Just in time for din-din!

Gee, I had to go wipe my glasses before I saw the cat!
It's a dilly!

/was I trying too hard?

243 willowone  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:07:00pm

i think the answerr is really to spray rioters with sleep-eeze.

244 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:07:15pm

re: #233 willowone

seriosly though, does that mean literally someone else is also using my acct?

It could mean that. It could also mean that you logged into AOL from another internet address previously and didn't see you log out. First one is bad, the second just means AOL is incompetent.

245 opnion  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:07:36pm

re: #235 Racer X

What?

McCain is LEADING Obama 53% / 44%.

What? I must have really misread it. I am going upthread.

246 willowone  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:08:28pm

re: #244 FurryOldGuyJeans
no i don't have another address i use

247 jwpaine  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:08:34pm

They could end most of the "protesting" plus save mucho bucks plus insure our electorate actually had a brain simply by eliminating the Department of Education. We're all worried about the nationalization of the banks, while our educational system was nationalized long ago.

248 NoSubmission  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:08:59pm

I went to the Muslim Day Parade today and took a few pictures. It also happened to be the 8th anniversary of the bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen.

249 Colonel Panik  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:09:05pm

Michael Graham of WTKK Boston says:
Did someone at a McCain rally really call for Obama to be killed?

Now, a trusting reader would assume that these cries are all directed at the same person, Sen. Obama. The reader would also assume that the last two are direct calls for violent action against the Illinois senator. But Frank Rich and his editors know they aren't. Nobody yelled "Kill him" about Barack Obama. It didn't happen.

As John Leo points out, the shout "kill him" was directed at Bill Ayers. That doesn't make it right, but it does make the story--and Rich's column--entirely different, if you know the facts. (The NYTimes is counting on its readers only knowing what they report, and in which case the facts can be ignored without fear of contradiction.)

Leo also notes that only one reporter, the notoriously unreliable Dana Milbank, reports the "racial epithet" allegedly shouted at a Palin rally. Nobody else covering the rally reported it.

250 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:09:06pm

re: #242 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Gee, I had to go wipe my glasses before I saw the cat!
It's a dilly!

/was I trying too hard?

Thanks to vxbush, I've found another cat picture/caption site. The only problem is that the caption didn't copy with the picture. Here it is:
What can I make to poison the dog?

251 eon  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:09:15pm

re: #223 SteveRogers

If the scumbag leftist lawyers wanna scream "torture" then use guns.
IMO I see no practicle use for this thing in Iraq.
It may actually be a distraction that gets soldiers killed.

And they shouldn't call it non-lethal. Maybe "mostly non-lethal."
Same with other "non-lethal" weapons. Nothing the military or cops use is 100% non-lethal.

That's why we called them "less than lethal" weapons. A baton round from a 12-gauge will do lethal internal damage if it hits someone directly in the torso instead of being ricocheted off pavement into their kneecaps.

/which is why we called them "knee-knockers"

Even tear gas can kill somebody if they get too big a dose of it. (It will cause the soft tissues in the throat and nasal passages to swell, choking off airflow.)

There's no such thing as a "non-lethal" weapon. Of course, if they're the ones using them on the rest of us, I doubt that the "progressives" will be terribly concerned about the matter.

cheers

eon

252 willowone  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:09:47pm

should i change my name and password?

253 Outrider  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:09:54pm

re: #244 FurryOldGuyJeans

It could mean that. It could also mean that you logged into AOL from another internet address previously and didn't see you log out. First one is bad, the second just means AOL is incompetent.

You can notify AOL security and let them do the voodoo that they do do so well and you pay for. This is exactly one of the reasons they cite they exist. Someone may have got your password. You run a current malware detection program?

254 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:10:26pm

re: #237 JacksonTn

Seen these two lovely Obama supporters:

[Link: www.katu.com...]

torched McCain sign.

I saw that earlier. Just read it more carefully, and noticed this glaring error ...

Authorities have arrested two men ...

255 willowone  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:11:17pm

avg user interface

256 Manfred the Wonder Dog  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:11:25pm

Marvo 76 (217) and jwpaine (225)

Rudyard Kipling first wrote about weapons based on light and electromagnetic fields or beams in a story called "As Easy as A. B. C."

[Link: books.google.com...]

257 HDrepub  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:11:51pm

re: #237 JacksonTn

Seen these two lovely Obama supporters:

[Link: www.katu.com...]

torched McCain sign.


Manufacturing a destructive device to do it with too. Serious charge there.

258 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:11:54pm

re: #246 willowone

no i don't have another address i use

Your internet service provider could have changed your IP address, especially if you are on dial-up. A lot of providers use dynamic IP address allocation and so you can change addresses without knowing it. Qwest does it to me all the time even though their tech support people swear I am on a static IP address account.

259 Idle Drifter  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:12:04pm

A co-worker was telling me a story the other day about the Hawk Missile System and a side effect of the Pulse Acquisition Radar. In the 70's he had been Marine attached to a HAWK battery, they had been at the time training on drones when the PAR had lost acquisition and began to search for the target by pointing straight out at the ground in front of it. Six Marines had been walking in front of the radar when they were told not to do so and at 30 feet had been knocked out by the radars energy pulse. When they came to they exclaimed they saw sparkles all around them before it all went black. Nothing was found to be wrong with them.

These "Death Ray" comments are hyperbole as with the current antenna and power source the beam is simply too big to cause harm. The power source must be increase exponentially or the antenna reconfigured to deliver a more concentrated beam. Energy weapons are very inefficient at today's technology level, it's more effective to use kinetic projectiles aka bullets to do the same job on a human target. Energy weapons are best used against missiles to either "blind them", destabilize them or cook them off in flight due to the speeds involved.

260 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:12:50pm

re: #233 willowone

seriosly though, does that mean literally someone else is also using my acct?

Maybe I'm paranoid but, that's my first idea.

261 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:12:56pm

re: #253 Outrider

It is not me with the AOL problem....that is willowone. :)

262 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:13:35pm
263 Manfred the Wonder Dog  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:13:39pm

eon 251

Taser International used to call those "non-lethal" before it became obvious that wasn't an accurate description. Nice sales talk, but not accurate.

[Link: tasertimes.com...]

264 willowone  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:14:07pm

re: #258 FurryOldGuyJeans
hmm. I am on modem cable, but 3 kids are on x box live through modems all interconnected with wireless routers

265 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:14:12pm

re: #260 MandyManners

Maybe I'm paranoid but, that's my first idea.

Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they are NOT out to get you. ;)

With all the hinkey stuff people do on the internet being paranoid is a whole lot safer.

266 Irene NYC  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:14:26pm

re: #248 NoSubmission

I went to the Muslim Day Parade today and took a few pictures. It also happened to be the 8th anniversary of the bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen.

Terrific pix and report. Great work.
;)

267 opnion  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:14:33pm

re: #235 Racer X

What?

McCain is LEADING Obama 53% / 44%.


Wait it is an AOL poll, not a scientific sampling. I would like to see those numbetr on Zogby.
He does leave Palin twist in the wind.

268 ACJohn  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:14:40pm
269 NoSubmission  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:15:11pm

re: #262 buzzsawmonkey

Was there a float depicting the bombing?


It was held up at customs... air-freighted from Gaza.

270 willowone  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:15:14pm

re: #260 MandyManners
I am paranoid a bit, the places (sites)i've looked into in last year, re' terrorism and elections gah!

271 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:15:30pm

Don't pain ray me, bro!

272 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:15:45pm

re: #250 goddessoftheclassroom

Thanks to vxbush, I've found another cat picture/caption site. The only problem is that the caption didn't copy with the picture. Here it is:
What can I make to poison the dog?

NOW I get it.

273 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:15:54pm

re: #264 willowone

hmm. I am on modem cable, but 3 kids are on x box live through modems all interconnected with wireless routers

You could still be a victim of account access theft. Call your service provider and let them know you have some apparent problems. Better to be safe than sorry, especially with multiple access as you have.

274 NoSubmission  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:16:09pm

re: #266 Irene NYC

Terrific pix and report. Great work.
;)


Thanks! Yea, we brought it!

275 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:16:10pm

re: #18 MandyManners

I need one of these for driving.

Or, perhaps, even for when you go fill up your gas tank?

276 twincitiesgirl  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:16:16pm

re: #245 opnion

If you look at this Zogby chart you can see the silliness of believing in polls. Hype and illusion-- and that's why they should be banned a month before the election.

277 leftover54  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:16:16pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

"Will Chairman Obama turn it on us..."

Had I read through the thread first I wouldn't have posted what I did - same image flashed through my mind.

278 Outrider  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:16:17pm

re: #261 FurryOldGuyJeans

It is not me with the AOL problem....that is willowone. :)

(sigh) must of hit the wrong one. sorryl

Did you get my post willowone?

279 willowone  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:17:03pm

re: #278 Outrider
I'll scroll back.

280 JacksonTn  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:17:07pm

frikkin ACORN lady on fox .......

281 gop_patriot  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:17:43pm

re: #248 NoSubmission

I went to the Muslim Day Parade today and took a few pictures. It also happened to be the 8th anniversary of the bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen.

This one really pisses me off. If they don't like the man-made laws of this country, they can leave (I'd written something else but decided that it was a little too crude).

Sharia "law"? Not in this country, pal.

282 Cast Iron Magnolia  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:18:51pm

re: #213 willowone
It means that somewhere your screen name is already logged on to AOL - either someone else is using your screen name, or you're logged on already, or your password's been stolen.

283 conservativeChick  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:18:56pm

re: #121 MandyManners

Think last years protest in Olympia with all the stupid anarchist protesting military supplies coming through the ports in Olympia.

284 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:19:20pm

Holy Moly! Someone on the HC Forum googled their own name and found a post on HuffPo - complete with MAP to their house! - that showed their real name, address, and list of donations they made in the primary.

These people are dangerous!

285 willowone  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:19:26pm

alright i'm calling aol, bbl

286 JCM  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:19:34pm

Pain ray, schmain ray.

We want the Brown Note Generator!

287 Arby Dwiar  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:19:54pm

re: #8 cliffster

Wow, sounds like a new strategy. "General, it's easy. Just push the We Win button" Sorta like the Easy Button from Staples.

Priceless.

288 NoSubmission  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:20:10pm

re: #281 gop_patriot

This one really pisses me off. If they don't like the man-made laws of this country, they can leave (I'd written something else but decided that it was a little too crude).

Sharia "law"? Not in this country, pal.

This one is my favorite.. You just can't make it up!

289 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:20:11pm
290 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:20:41pm
291 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:21:00pm

re: #273 FurryOldGuyJeans

You could still be a victim of account access theft. Call your service provider and let them know you have some apparent problems. Better to be safe than sorry, especially with multiple access as you have.

I forgot to add this:

At a minimum consider changing all your online passwords, and if possible usernames, especially starting with your AOL account. If you do change passwords choose one that is "strong" with at least 10 characters (number and letters) and mixed lower and upper case. And don't have the same password on multiple sites either.

What could be a good "strong" password is something like:

Snigle125Fritz

292 twincitiesgirl  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:21:00pm

re: #281 gop_patriot

Someone needs to put these pics on flyers and leave them everywhere (legally of course)

293 eon  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:21:45pm

Well, I'm outta here, Lizards.

Going to watch a movie, and then go to bed.

Tonight's flick; Cleopatra Jones And The Casino Of Gold, with Tamara Dobson (1975).

/One of God's most beautiful creations. (Tamara Dobson, that is.)

Good Night, Lizards.

Sleep tight.

cheers

eon

294 stuiec  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:23:40pm

re: #250 goddessoftheclassroom

You can always copy the pic off StuffOnMyCat, load it into ICanHasCheezburger and then caption it.

295 gop_patriot  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:25:38pm

re: #288 NoSubmission

This one is my favorite.. You just can't make it up!

I know, I have to admit, I laughed at that one, then just shook my head. "Another feature of the amazing burka is that you can pin a sign right on the back of your head. And who hasn't needed to do that at one time or another?"

296 SteveRogers  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:25:44pm

re: #247 jwpaine

They could end most of the "protesting" plus save mucho bucks plus insure our electorate actually had a brain simply by eliminating the Department of Education. We're all worried about the nationalization of the banks, while our educational system was nationalized long ago.

Yeah, and we all see how well that is working.
What can possibly go wrong with the government nationalizing banks?
Hell, most politicians don't know or care what the Constitution says so were stuck with constant class warfare and nanny government...and the Democrats are even worse!

297 SteveRogers  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:26:30pm

re: #271 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican

Don't pain ray me, bro!

Hey that's bad PR!

298 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:26:42pm

re: #294 stuiec

You can always copy the pic off StuffOnMyCat, load it into ICanHasCheezburger and then caption it.

Good idea!

299 rusty_armor  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:27:09pm

It hurts...

at first.



But after a while,
the pain goes away,
just as they promise.

"The Chronicles of Riddick"

300 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:27:11pm

re: #283 conservativeChick

Think last years protest in Olympia with all the stupid anarchist protesting military supplies coming through the ports in Olympia.

As long as they're not interfering, that's their right as protected by the First Amendment.

301 gop_patriot  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:27:41pm

re: #289 buzzsawmonkey

If the words "batil" and "haqq" are cognates with the Hebrew, the former means "annulled" whereas the latter means "unquestionable divine command."

Ah, thanks! That is very telling, isn't it.

/I tried typing some of my other thoughts but honestly there is nothing that I can say right now about these sorry cretins that wouldn't be quite rude.

302 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:27:50pm

re: #275 reine.de.tout

Or, perhaps, even for when you go fill up your gas tank?

There would've been two very upset clerks.

303 twincitiesgirl  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:28:58pm

dinnertime--bbl

304 stuiec  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:29:56pm

re: #284 Intrepid

Holy Moly! Someone on the HC Forum googled their own name and found a post on HuffPo - complete with MAP to their house! - that showed their real name, address, and list of donations they made in the primary.

These people are dangerous!

Political contribution records are public. It's just swell of the HuffPo to take that data and blend it with Google Maps....

305 conservativeChick  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:31:39pm

re: #300 MandyManners

Your right but it burns me though when I see these idiots protesting against the very people who protect their Freedom of Speech.

306 Oldasdirt  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:33:23pm

Is not the demon-cratic party enough of a pain ray already?

307 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:33:44pm
308 Viking6  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:36:22pm

re: #78 WrathofG-d

Not to get too paranoid but the insignia for the weapons system appears to have much in common with Barry's perfect O

/

309 ClosetConservative  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:40:30pm

Who needs a big expensive system when you've got Slick Barry? The excruciatingly hot air coming out of his mouth will disperse ANY protest.

The question is whether Slick Barry is more costly to maintain.

310 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:45:52pm

If you walked in the pain ray area in grounded chain mail, in effect your own portable Faraday Cage, would the pain ray still get you?

Or not?

311 RTLM  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:46:41pm

Ah - the pain ray. Producing highly motivated escape behavior in the hind legs of Jihadis and moonbats.

(Hearts)

312 buckytheinfidel  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:56:13pm

How about a ray that permanently rearranges the Y chromosome into an X chromosome?


re: #123 Adina in Judea

A "Curse Be Upon Your Mustache" weapon would be even better (i.e. something that makes a mustache fall off.)

When representatives of Kuwait and Saddam's Iraq met at an Arab League function prior to the Iraq War, "Curse Be Upon Your Mustache" was the ultimate insult. It would be worse if it actually results in the mustache falling off, though.

It would freak out a number of people in certain areas, alright.

Hamas has been shaving off Fatah mustaches in fighting in recent months, just to give an idea of how offensive it is.

313 willowone  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:57:57pm

ok i have a question?

If i change my AOL screen name, passwords --will that be a problen signing in here at LGF?

314 willowone  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:58:42pm

maybe i should go upstream and ask.

315 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:58:45pm

Saw a news item on this one day recently. Reporter tried to last through it. Lasted, oh, about a second. Looks like it really hurts!

316 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:59:07pm

re: #313 willowone

Nope. Not related.

317 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 4:59:31pm

re: #314 willowone

willow? you still there?

318 displaced yankee  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 5:10:12pm

Getting rabble to "move along" will probably be solved by such a weapon, but will not address a lot of the secondary issues. Also, I'm sure the multiple pro bono law firms and/or ambulance chasers will be "hot to trot" on any and all claims of physical injury from such non lethal means.
Have to wonder if Napoleon could have saved the Revolution if he had had to rely on this versus "a whiff of grapeshot".
OT For how long has it been a no-no to shoot rioters or demonstrators, if things get out of hand?

319 Left Coast Right Mind  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 5:13:35pm

re: #144 Intrepid

I think they should come up with a "External Sexual Organs Shrinkage Ray".

That would solve it, I'll just betcha.

They've already invented that, it's called the Pacific Ocean. Of course, I guess it would be the "External Sexual Organs Shrinkage Bay".

Scrolling through the other posts, I see I'm already too late to mention the Brown Note and "Don't ADS me bro!". Ah well.

320 RTLM  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 5:16:09pm

re: #318 displaced yankee

Getting rabble to "move along" will probably be solved by such a weapon, but will not address a lot of the secondary issues. Also, I'm sure the multiple pro bono law firms and/or ambulance chasers will be "hot to trot" on any and all claims of physical injury from such non lethal means.
Have to wonder if Napoleon could have saved the Revolution if he had had to rely on this versus "a whiff of grapeshot".
OT For how long has it been a no-no to shoot rioters or demonstrators, if things get out of hand?

I like to pipe dream of this being used on motorcycle helmeted, window bashing leftards, but its purpose is for war zones.

And the leftards will still bleat their usual crap re: its usage in theater.

321 capitalist piglet  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 5:20:37pm

re: #257 HDrepub

Manufacturing a destructive device to do it with too. Serious charge there.

The comments section following that article is extremely frustrating. Liberals arguing that the guys who did it most likely did not do it for political reasons. Oy.

322 TexasAC  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 5:21:55pm

The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys. Now they’re training for the same mission - with a twist - at home. Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.

Will the 1st BCT get an Active Denial System to give American rioters, at a “manmade” emergency, a taste of pain? While we are at it, let the government make the Posse Comitatus Law a little weaker, too.

[Link: www.militarytimes.com...]

323 Watcher  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 5:25:05pm

The Active Denial System has been in use in Iraq since October 2007.

324 NY Nana  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 5:29:59pm

re: #213 willowone

hey what does this mean

AOL System Msg [6:57 P.M.]: Your AOL screen name (******) has signed in from another location. This screen name is currently signed in at 2 locations. To sign off the other location(s), reply to this message with the number 1. Click here for more information

when i clicked it went dark for a minute and no answer

I get the same thing when I am logged into AOL, the IM's and AIM, and and when I close the message, everything is fine. It usually happens when I am already logged in, and then log into AIM. I just close the stupid message, and continue with what I was doing.

/Warning: first one who calls it AOHell had better be aware of why I am busy. ;)

325 FloridaAnole  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 5:42:09pm

Pain ray? Ugh. Makes you long for the good old days of swords and muskets.

326 yah  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 5:52:40pm

re: #324 NY Nana

[Link: www.cfnews13.com...]

I thought Nana was like a nick for Grandma. Hurricane Nana just doesn't have the right ring to it.

327 devil in baggy pants  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 5:56:15pm

Think that these weapons will be used by these guys ?

It's unnerving, to say the least.

328 devil in baggy pants  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 5:57:14pm

re: #322 TexasAC

The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys. Now they’re training for the same mission - with a twist - at home. Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.

Will the 1st BCT get an Active Denial System to give American rioters, at a “manmade” emergency, a taste of pain? While we are at it, let the government make the Posse Comitatus Law a little weaker, too.

[Link: www.militarytimes.com...]

GMTA!

Totally didn't see your post up there...

329 Ledger1  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 6:02:42pm

re: #124 JacksonTn

Good.

I up-dinged it.

Btw, that is The Washington Times not the Washington Post (sister publication of the NYT).

330 Egfrow  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 6:08:19pm

This latest innovation in Infidel Technology is brought to you by our sponsor, The Great Satan.

331 kynna  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 6:47:14pm

re: #1 goddessoftheclassroom

At first I thought that said, "Palin Ray."

Can I join this over-crowded club? LOL.

332 NY Nana  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 7:11:01pm

It is also a first name for females...and I am going to go into a witness protection program if this is a bad one.

Enough already with hurricanes...seriously.

One of my female cousins, who lives in FL, and had a hurricane with her name some years ago, is already teasing me.

333 davinvalkri  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 7:20:51pm

Of course there's a risk of death, goddamit--ANYTHING has that risk (including rolling out of bed in the morning, missing the carpet and breaking your neck on the frame, especially if it's a bunk bed and you have furniture underneath). I say onwards and upwards--let's see if the microwave beam works in Iraq. And if it does, WHOO-HOO!

334 Harbinger  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 7:37:19pm

I believe I saw this on a show called Future Weapons. It was kick ass. The host (target) was able to stand right next to other non-targets (officers), and was put to the ground in a matter of a second.

It was unbelievable to see. This to me was a better alternative to any bean bag gun or gas. it was able to pin point the bad guys from over 700 yard away!

Too Cool.

335 Harbinger  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 7:40:41pm
336 Aussie Infidel  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 7:56:08pm

Set phasers to STUN, Mr. Sulu.

What we REALLY .... REALLY need is Spock with the Vulcan neck pinch ..... inflicted on the denizens of Congress!


Actually the phaser stunner is not far away either. It's a TAZER but the wires are replaced by twin beams of ultra-violet LASER at 193 nanometres. Eye safe but capable of ionizing twin shafts of air making the air capable of carrying the 50,000 + volts to the victim ..... um demonstrator.

337 Marvo76  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 9:07:38pm

re: #259 Idle Drifter

A co-worker was telling me a story the other day about the Hawk Missile System and a side effect of the Pulse Acquisition Radar. In the 70's he had been Marine attached to a HAWK battery, they had been at the time training on drones when the PAR had lost acquisition and began to search for the target by pointing straight out at the ground in front of it. Six Marines had been walking in front of the radar when they were told not to do so and at 30 feet had been knocked out by the radars energy pulse. When they came to they exclaimed they saw sparkles all around them before it all went black. Nothing was found to be wrong with them.

These "Death Ray" comments are hyperbole as with the current antenna and power source the beam is simply too big to cause harm. The power source must be increase exponentially or the antenna reconfigured to deliver a more concentrated beam. Energy weapons are very inefficient at today's technology level, it's more effective to use kinetic projectiles aka bullets to do the same job on a human target. Energy weapons are best used against missiles to either "blind them", destabilize them or cook them off in flight due to the speeds involved.

While onboard the Uss Mt. Whitney in 1978 I a freind and I went out onto the singnal bridge of the ship in a fog. the Spin40 radar was "turned up" to punch thru the fog, I was the first one up on the bridge (one step from the top) and the reflection of this radar, from 30 some feet away, bouncing off the fog , made every bone in my gody hurt, including my teeth, my buddy dind't get it as bad, but DA(M)NG it even made my teeth hurt!

338 Marvo76  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 9:10:48pm

re: #268 ACJohn

This is who buys them...


no wonder the UK and china are now in trouble, I read the other day where Ferrochina is getting ready to default on loans of 114 illion yaun, and that is just for THIS week, they have much more coming up...

339 Marvo76  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 9:15:05pm

re: #322 TexasAC

The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys. Now they’re training for the same mission - with a twist - at home. Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.

Will the 1st BCT get an Active Denial System to give American rioters, at a “manmade” emergency, a taste of pain? While we are at it, let the government make the Posse Comitatus Law a little weaker, too.

[Link: www.militarytimes.com...]


who suspects an old married couple of targeting an army viehicle used against troo[s under the same flag? Only the Sahdow knows for sure bwhahahaha

340 Marvo76  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 9:20:38pm

re: #305 conservativeChick

Your right but it burns me though when I see these idiots protesting against the very people who protect their Freedom of Speech.


wonder what they would say if we did the same thing? RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY! PREDJUDICE! ATTICA! ATTICA! ATTOCA!

341 leftover54  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:03:23pm

This story is already out dated ! I just found out, after doing a ""search" on this topic, that this "weapon" has been shelved due to opposition by some "human rights activists" who have stated they have grave concerns for the potential abuse should the US Military actually deploy this unit:
"Having now shelved the A.D.S. project and cancelled deployment of the first of these units, the Pentagon has requisitioned a much "safer" alternative as first suggested by I.P. Daily, a member of the human rights leagues Seattle branch. A prototype has already been tested by Raytheon and named the T.O.I or "The Time Out Inducer". According to those that were given a trial demonstration of the weapon, the weapon is totally safe, all issues of pain/torture have been eliminated. and the weapon itself, when fired, causes all those it is aimed at to quickly run to a box like object, dropped by parachute behind the line of engagement, so that said targets must participate in a "forced time out" (room). This room is out fitted with P.C.'s, TV's/DVD players, Mp3 players/personal headphones, cell phones (with unlimited minutes) and a kitchen stocked with Kool Aid, Poland Spring water and various boxes filled with Hostess Inc. products. Should the first time out session prove to be inadequate to quell outbursts, each participant will have one of the above items removed from the box for a period of not less than 3 hours at which time the belligerents status will be evaluated by a trained expert in behavior modification techniques."

It didn't take 'em long did it ?

342 blueboy  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:27:26am

Surely this is absolutely useless for Iraq. The pain ray allegedly has a range of 250 metres - but what's the range of an RPG?
$5m truck vs $250 rocket...hmm.
Definitely not for use against armed opposition, and how long before wire mesh suits become available as a countermeasure?

343 Ezekiel2517  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:15:33pm

I'm still holding out hoping they'll come up with a "Fleas of a Thousand Camels" projector cannon.

344 legalbgl  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:47:49am

please, any weapon that cannot kill is useless. All you do is let the enemy fight another day. However, the costs are small. 5 units for 25 mill, heck, the mets spent 20 mill for 4 years on a second basemen who can't get the ball out if the infield.

Can the Mets get one of these to stop the Phillies from taking 1st again next year?


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