He's been getting troll-infested.

So, can we can call this "Troll Hammer II"?

I have to admit that the last couple of weeks, when I see the words "open registration", I cringe. No offense meant to all the new lizards who are on the up and up.

Huffing and puffing to run from thread to thread.

Awesome! I have fought every damn one of these Whitey tapes, Obama's girl friend, Obama is a muslim rumors. They have not helped our cause.

Way to go. You're Aces in my book!

Saw this earlier.
Supposedly the poorly-confirmed rumor that Ace is alluding to below is that Ayers used to baby-sit Obama's kids.
No idea if that's true or not.

Conservatives will never get good press or a fair hearing, even if John McCain throws a tea party and endorses Obama for President.
(He seems to have pretty much done everything else so far).

The question is, how many of the nut-cases are plants?

Forget a flame war, they are lobbing white phosphorus grenades in the comments there.

We've got plenty of folks here who, given a gram or two of encouragement, will launch into the birth certificate or "Obama is a Muslim" crap.

what Obama pal-gal story?

/why didn;t ace just delete and block the spammer?

I wonder if that woman knows how stupid she sounded.

The sad part is that there are so many arguments against the opposition that there is no need to resort to such accusations.

re: #10 buzzsawmonkey

We've got plenty of folks here who, given a gram or two of encouragement, will launch into the birth certificate or "Obama is a Muslim" crap.

Like pawn hunting in chess. Fun, easy and will cause you to lose.

re: #8 Mike McDaniel

The question is, how many of the nut-cases are plants?

exactly

Ace is 100% correct. Unfortunately, though, idiocy from the right is amplified while idiocy from the Left is obfuscated.

re: #11 ploome hineni

what Obama pal-gal story?

/why didn;t ace just delete and block the spammer?

If he did have a pal-gal, he'd probably get more sympathy than anything else from the story, given his charming bride.

re: #17 livefreeor die

If he did have a pal-gal, he'd probably get more sympathy than anything else from the story, given his charming bride.

did you see the story?

But Offendi is right. Conservatives will never get a fair shake from the propaganda press.

re: #12 MandyManners

I wonder if that woman knows how stupid she sounded.

No, fanatics generally can't consider viewpoints not their own. I often have the same problem, but I know I have it and I try to fight it (and am successful in fighting it).

re: #18 ploome hineni

did you see the story?

I googled the name someone mentioned a couple of threads back. Some of the PUMAs are on it. What they have sounds suspicious but then, they've been running with the fake birth certificate story so who knows what's going on.

It must also be said:

How many of these persons screaming "Terrorist!" at McCain rallies are Mobys?

I.

Wouldn't.

Put.

It.

Past.

Them.

re: #19 Mike McDaniel

Which is why it needs to use the troll hammer with impunity. The high road always has a cost, whether it's paid willingly or not.

re: #22 Arkay

It must also be said:

How many of these persons screaming "Terrorist!" at McCain rallies are Mobys?

I.

Wouldn't.

Put.

It.

Past.

Them.

I'll go further and suggest it is all of them.

Plays too much into Democrat stereotypes of Republicans and, frankly, we have more class than that.

re: #23 godfrey

Which is why it needs to use the troll hammer with impunity. The high road always has a cost, whether it's paid willingly or not.

I agree, he needs to use it ...er...liberally.

Maybe the people who were shouting terrorist, muslim, etc were liberal plants whose job was to rile up the crowd, knowing that the press would attack McCain on this.

Just thinking

re: #5 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Awesome! I have fought every damn one of these Whitey tapes, Obama's girl friend, Obama is a muslim rumors. They have not helped our cause.

Way to go. You're Aces in my book!

I agree 100% with the points you mentioned.

re: #11 ploome hineni

He did both.

Ace always called it his "moron blog."

re: #20 Dark_Falcon

No, fanatics generally can't consider viewpoints not their own. I often have the same problem, but I know I have it and I try to fight it (and am successful in fighting it).

I hope someone points out to her the effects her stupidity might have on the campaign.

Obama girlfriend story? I never saw that one anywhere. Straw girlfriend?

re: #26 FIVEOFNINE

Maybe the people who were shouting terrorist, muslim, etc were liberal plants whose job was to rile up the crowd, knowing that the press would attack McCain on this.

Just thinking

Manufactured issue. Which required McCain to make the public statement he did, causing the Obamatons to rub their hands in glee, an conservatives to start eating their own some more.

Kos kid plants or self-indulgent retards. Either way, an appropriate smack down.

I'm so glad it was Said, thanx Ace.

My sense is that a good majority of voters are not going to be driven to vote for Obama over a half-baked moronic comment by a cretin or two. Sure a lot of "whites" recall Obama was sitting over in the pew when Rev Wright was making his endearing comments about the country. "Typical white person" about grandma by Barry wasn't exactly respectful about granny or white people either.
People are going to be driven to vote by who scares them less in these perilous times and Maverick has been stinking it up in making the case he is the better choice.

re: #8 Mike McDaniel

The question is, how many of the nut-cases are plants?

Exactly my sentiments, but when you look at the nutty Obots you have to wonder if we have some too

re: #30 spirochete

Obama girlfriend story? I never saw that one anywhere. Straw girlfriend?

You sure didn't see it here.

re: #10 buzzsawmonkey

We've got plenty of folks here who, given a gram or two of encouragement, will launch into the birth certificate or "Obama is a Muslim" crap.

Wait, what? He's got that funny name and he doesn't look like like all those other presidents on dollar bills! Settles it for me.

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re: #26 FIVEOFNINE

Maybe the people who were shouting terrorist, muslim, etc were liberal plants whose job was to rile up the crowd, knowing that the press would attack McCain on this.

Just thinking

Exactly. Not to mention from what I've seen, only one person claimed to have heard the shouts--a far left MSM reporter.
Suspect? Yes. Untrue? Not necessarily.

re: #30 spirochete

Obama girlfriend story? I never saw that one anywhere. Straw girlfriend?

Inflatable?

re: #26 FIVEOFNINE

Maybe the people who were shouting terrorist, muslim, etc were liberal plants whose job was to rile up the crowd, knowing that the press would attack McCain on this.

Just thinking

McCain should just say that forcefully..and go on

maybe even have these people escorted out of his rally

but that's all, he does not have to support Obama

re: #30 spirochete

Obama girlfriend story? I never saw that one anywhere. Straw girlfriend?

Nothing to see there. If Obama had a fling, nobody would care.

Hell, he spends his time with a real live terrorist and the public gives it a yawn.

Bravo!

re: #30 spirochete

Obama girlfriend story? I never saw that one anywhere. Straw girlfriend?

Somebody linked to it in a thread this morning. It sounded completely bogus. Whatever else Obama is, I don't get the sense he's a cheater, the way I did with Clinton.

re: #30 spirochete

Obama girlfriend story? I never saw that one anywhere. Straw girlfriend?

Apparently he's got some honey tucked away in the Carribean that used to make him a lot of money and she wrecked his vacation plans. Only CNN showed up. Are we clear now?

re: #40 ploome hineni

He was unprepared for it. He just said, "No, ma'am, no ma'am," and walked away. In politics, that was a golden opportunity, blown.

McCain's campaign said they don't screen all the people attending the town hall style rallies. Is that true? If so, who knows who is behind the shouting.

re: #43 arethusa

Somebody linked to it in a thread this morning. It sounded completely bogus. Whatever else Obama is, I don't get the sense he's a cheater, the way I did with Clinton.

My husband and I were in hysterics watching Clinton drool over Sarah Palin.

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Bravo!

Bravo, yourself. How's the fishing and woodworking going?

re: #36 Charles

You sure didn't see it here.

No kidding. Once again, there are plenty of legitimate issues to address regarding Obama, no need to really drag anything dirty in, even if it were true.

re: #44 coquimbojoe

Apparently he's got some honey tucked away in the Carribean that used to make him a lot of money and she wrecked his vacation plans. Only CNN showed up. Are we clear now?

ACORN is the ticket, gf story is probably made up to throw GOP off the scent of voter fraud

re: #16 obscured by clouds

Ace is 100% correct. Unfortunately, though, idiocy from the right is amplified while idiocy from the Left is obfuscated.

That doesn't mean that Ace should put up with it on his site.

re: #11 ploome hineni

what Obama pal-gal story?

/why didn't ace just delete and block the spammer?

He didn't want to mention the name of the woman as relates to that story and just pulled it entirely (he left the original from last night, which linked to me) because a lot of people were mentioning her name.

I left her name up, and curiously, her website has been yanked, which appears a bit suspicious.

While I don't believe the story will gain much traction, I left it up to make a point. It started with a Daily Mail story and seems pretty well sourced, moreso in fact than the NYT piece linking McCain with a lobbyist. My point with my original last night was just to poke the libs in the eye since they just make things up about McCain/Palin and the source for this was a major news outlet.

The MSM is using the incident to claim McCain/Palin are preaching hate or encouraging it. As usual they ignore the hate from the left as Michelle Malkin points out.

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

re: #46 West Coast Freedom

McCain's campaign said they don't screen all the people attending the town hall style rallies. Is that true? If so, who knows who is behind the shouting.

No they don't.

Trolls can really ruin your day. And even, your presidential campaign.

Can they really be trolls when they're on "our" side? These are not LLL operatives trying to stoke "right wing" fires. These are poorly informed, hysterical and stupid Republicans. Perhaps we need a new word because they aren't really trolls.

Larry Johnson is pumping the Obama pal-gal story, so I'd give it as much credence at as the Michelle whitey tape.

re: #36 Charles

Uh, Charles someone linked to it a while ago, downstairs. You didn't bring it up, but someone else here did.

re: #29 MandyManners

I hope someone points out to her the effects her stupidity might have on the campaign.

Sadly, Mandy, there aren't enough of us anti-idiotarians to deal with all the idiots who pop up.

re: #50 SpartanWoman

ACORN is the ticket, gf story is probably made up to throw GOP off the scent of voter fraud

I agree, but most people don't care about the details, even if the details involve your freedom being stolen out from under you.

They tried to start a girlfriend story with Kerry too. Drudge even ran with it, turned out bogus

re: #51 Dianna

That doesn't mean that Ace should put up with it on his site.

True. I saw the responses and the guy could have gotten him sued by his posts. This was even after he told him to knock off the behavior.

re: #56 HelloDare

Larry Johnson is pumping the Obama pal-gal story, so I'd give it as much credence at as the Michelle whitey tape.

Now I'm having second thoughts.

re: #53 Hard Right

The MSM is using the incident to claim McCain/Palin are preaching hate or encouraging it. As usual they ignore the hate from the left as Michelle Malkin points out.

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

When you marinate in filth for any length period the smell does tend to become un-noticed after a spell.

re: #55 Killgore Trout

Can they really be trolls when they're on "our" side? These are not LLL operatives trying to stoke "right wing" fires. These are poorly informed, hysterical and stupid Republicans. Perhaps we need a new word because they aren't really trolls.

Well, "useful idiots" would seem to work.

It IS possible some were agit-prop moby's, but I seriously doubt it. Blaming it all on plants becomes like crying wolf at a certain point. People attending those rallies should exercise discipline. And they should be aware they are under a microscope.

People are giving Obama too much cred, just because he's black.. It's strange IMO.. I don't trust people who use their skin color for help or hurt.

/Obama has ran ON race from the first day, and against revealing it from the second day.

re: #55 Killgore Trout

Can they really be trolls when they're on "our" side? These are not LLL operatives trying to stoke "right wing" fires. These are poorly informed, hysterical and stupid Republicans. Perhaps we need a new word because they aren't really trolls.

While we know we have a few wackos on our side, the problem is determining when they really are on our side. Savage Nation seemed to be one of us, but wasn't.

re: #59 coquimbojoe

I agree, but most people don't care about the details, even if the details involve your freedom being stolen out from under you.

If it got a wide audience, and the press did their jobs, the gritty details would be irrelevant.

All that matters now is the turn out Nov. 4, we have to pull, drag, push, McCain/Palin across the finish line the winners.

Does not matter if Obama goes on national TV and throws Michael under the bus and says he will marry some cutie right after he is sworn in.

Just get McCain elected and do all we can to slow Nancy and Harry down.

misdirection burns up fuel, and time

re: #48 coquimbojoe

I haven't done much fishing here in the Pac NW but I did get some fishing in while on vacation in Mauritius last month. I actually paid on of the local fishermen to haul nets on his boat all day. It was big fun and they put up with me pretty well. They're great people.
Woodworking is going Ok but I'm sweating my finances lately. It was a lean year and next year doesn't look much better.

re: #50 SpartanWoman

ACORN is the ticket, gf story is probably made up to throw GOP off the scent of voter fraud

Heh..I was just thinking the same thing.

Given how quickly stuff has been shoved aside by the MSM with Barry, it's good to see that the Acorn and Ayers stories still have some legs after one week. The Acorn one seems especially ready to explode given how more and more states are getting fed up with all the fake registrations.

Well, the Left can forget about Matt Drudge leaning more left over the years and being one of their friends...

He's just posted one of the top lines the YouTube video showing the verbal assaults of the Upper West Side elites against the McCain-Palin supporters in NYC two weeks ago.

I hope this video goes viral before YouTube Big Brother removes it.

re: #64 Dark_Falcon

Well, "useful idiots" would seem to work.
Bingo!
/Ouch

Anyone who has worked or volunteered on a campaign knows that you are like Don Rumsfeld; you fight with the Army you have. Any time you are sitting there or marching with an assortment of college students, retirees, true believers and hopeful climbers there is one who is going to be strange. There are two frustrating things that happen. The first is that you can have 39 sober focused intelligent people who are ready willing and able to discuss the issues standing there but they will be ignored. One clown shows up in a tin foil hat with a hand made sign and the press run to them like Chuck Schumer at the sight of a camera. You can't blame them to much since it is their job. The second thing is why it rankles. You know in your bones that the other side is more populated with Troofers, anti-Semites, and all around wierdos but somehow that staory doesn't get reported.

re: #68 SpartanWoman

If it got a wide audience, and the press did their jobs, the gritty details would be irrelevant.

Again I agree. If only...

re: #57 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thanks, that was me!

re: #61 Hard Right

Yeah. A point Ace made, rather forcefully.

I really like Ace, but some of his commenters...I stopped commenting, much.

re: #78 Dianna

Yeah. A point Ace made, rather forcefully.

I really like Ace, but some of his commenters...I stopped commenting, much.

Handling commenters is ... tricky.

Maybe it's just me, but I never really saw Obama as "black". I see him as an embodiment of discarded ideas of the past. The race aspect just doesn't even register.

re: #73 sagamoregal

Well, the Left can forget about Matt Drudge leaning more left over the years and being one of their friends...

He's just posted one of the top lines the YouTube video showing the verbal assaults of the Upper West Side elites against the McCain-Palin supporters in NYC two weeks ago.

I hope this video goes viral before YouTube Big Brother removes it.

God Bless you Matt!

re: #50 SpartanWoman

ACORN is the ticket, gf story is probably made up to throw GOP off the scent of voter fraud

Agreed:

Step1. Talk about Acorn
Step 2. Then Acorn money in the first bailout bill (hmmm)
Step 3. Then Dodd and Pelosi
Step 4. Rinse and Repeat

re: #77 MrPaulRevere

Oops, I meant to say I posted Ace's link first

re: #70 Killgore Trout

I haven't done much fishing here in the Pac NW but I did get some fishing in while on vacation in Mauritius last month. I actually paid on of the local fishermen to haul nets on his boat all day. It was big fun and they put up with me pretty well. They're great people.
Woodworking is going Ok but I'm sweating my finances lately. It was a lean year and next year doesn't look much better.

Well, fishing in Mauritius sounds very cool. Good luck next year! Right now my gut tells me next year could go both ways...that, and to serve the lasagna.

Have a good evening.

Big thread on Lucianne on this:
McCain’s ignoble failure to ignite

No, I don’t mean his physical ailments, partly brought on by age and partly by the vicissitudes of torture at the hands of his captors in Hanoi 40 years ago. And I don’t mean his policies, although God knows he has some explaining to do there as well.

I am talking about his inability to carry the battle to his enemies — to look a man square in the eye and tell him, “You are wrong.” He hasn’t yet determined how to run a campaign aimed against Barack Obama’s many flaws, and time is running out. Heck, even Joe Biden understands that McCain looks weak and ineffective on this score.

What I don't understand is how this post at Ace's got linked by Charles, when he completely ignored the totally awesome Overnight Thread/Haiku Contest post I did there last night.

For those of you who missed it there's an interview with the lady in red who embarrassed McCain last week....
McCain Responds to "Arab" Epithet at Rally: "Obama a Decent Family Man"

She was a McCain volunteer and not an Obama plant as many suggested. That old coot was a very useful idiot.

re: #12 MandyManners

I wonder if that woman knows how stupid she sounded.

If you sound really stupid, there is a very good possibility you don't realize it. Maybe someday.....

Can we create a new class of troll called the "Meta Troll?"

Nodrog has created a troll dump where he documents how and when (and postulates why - with his signature 'clarity'). A troll who documents troll purges in an obsessive compulsive manner - Meta Troll.

Future are up massively...

[Link: money.cnn.com...]

re: #36 Charles

You sure didn't see it here.

Damn skippy. This ain't the National Enquirer.re: #38 Hard Right

Exactly. Not to mention from what I've seen, only one person claimed to have heard the shouts--a far left MSM reporter.
Suspect? Yes. Untrue? Not necessarily.

This same woman, Dana Milbank was the only one to have heard the man holler "terrorist". The other reporters did not nor did the crowd.

This same reporter did a story in which she claimed to have heard a Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, "Sit down, boy."

The same reporter is the same one that did a story concerning Gov Palins statement, "This is not a man who sees America the way you and I see America," and reporting it as a racist story.

I put up a story today on it using Malkins photos on my site.

re: #30 spirochete

The issue was not so much that she may or may not be a girlfriend but that she had been working on the campaign --disappeared and is in the Caribbean but still on someone's "payroll."

If I recall the story was published in the Daily Mail --UK.

re: #85 itellu3times

Editorial by Frank Miele, managing editor of the Daily Inter Lake.

re: #84 coquimbojoe

Cheers!

re: #87 Killgore Trout

Guh.

re: #91 Outrider

Nice work!

re: #62 JammieWearingFool

Now I'm having second thoughts.

I don't know what to think. I googled various variations of the name, and whenever anything looked promising and I'd click on it, the page would be gone. Even cache would turn up nothing. Could be nothing, could be something, wish I had access to Lexis/Nexis or something like that.

I honestly don't care who sleeps with whom. If it turns out there were fiscal irregularities, that's more important to me.

What's scare me the most about McCain and very close returns on election night that can't begin to be called at midnight is that he will drag his advisors kicking and screaming to the microphones to concede too soon.

His niceness scares the shit out of me.

Remember Axelrod is the Prince of Atroturf. Some of these dead end stories are probably traps laid out to discredit the opposition when they report on the real scandals. My suspician was that the girlfriend story either had that behind it or was just thrown out there to cover for other rumors about Barack's apparant monastic existence. Obama since High School has made Jimmy Carter look like a bon vivant.

This entire election cycle has been marred by a) cross-party primary voters voting for their preferred opposition candidate and b) provocateurs showing up at rallies and acting like sh-ts ("Iron My Shirt") and others. At a Palin rally I went to, there was the Obama mob on their side of the street, but in the Palin mob I was in, there were nut jobs that were just there to stir up trouble. Oddly, they were the ones that got the media coverage that evening. I even suspected the media put them there to begin with.

It is fraying my very last bit of Christian bearing.

re: #95 Charles

Yeah.

re: #55 Killgore Trout

Can they really be trolls when they're on "our" side? These are not LLL operatives trying to stoke "right wing" fires. These are poorly informed, hysterical and stupid Republicans. Perhaps we need a new word because they aren't really trolls.

Uruk-hai?

I posted this yesterday on another thread. The woman who said this is a 75 year old grandma from a suburb of Minneapolis. While she certainly could have been a moonbat plant (it was Minnesota after all) I don't think so. She just forgot to use common sense and good judgment and blurted out what was, for her, a very real threat. I'm sure she's living to regret it given the uproar it's caused.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

McCain: Obama is not ‘an Arab’

re: #91 Outrider

This same woman, Dana Milbank was the only one to have heard the man holler "terrorist". The other reporters did not nor did the crowd.

This same reporter did a story in which she claimed to have heard a Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, "Sit down, boy."

The same reporter is the same one that did a story concerning Gov Palins statement, "This is not a man who sees America the way you and I see America," and reporting it as a racist story.

I put up a story today on it using Malkins photos on my site.

As a point of clarification, Dana Milbank is a man.

A moonbat, but still a man.

re: #89 karmic_inquisitor
PIMF...

"where he documents how and when (and postulates why - with his signature 'clarity') LGF bans occurred."

re: #95 Charles

Guh.

Guh?

Did you mean...ugh?

i could never handle the commitment to owning a blog.
having to make decisions all day about topics, making a decisions where the line is for such discourse. Knowing everything ends up the sites responsibilty .
It's a brave calling.

re: #79 Charles

Handling commenters is ... tricky.

I appreciate that. It's why I try - emphasis on try - to watch what I type. Given my temperament, that's not easy.

re: #78 Dianna

Yeah. A point Ace made, rather forcefully.

I really like Ace, but some of his commenters...I stopped commenting, much.

Haven't been there too much until late. I've seen a lot of lefties over there. In fact, I visit about 10 conservative sites a day and most are overrun with them. I need to start my own blog just for the joy of booting them.

re: #106 Vinnie

Watch the interview. She did a lot of damage. I almost feel bad for her, she embarrassed herself and McCain nationally. She would have seriously damaged the campaign if it weren't already seriously damaged.

re: #97 Palandine

I don't know what to think. I googled various variations of the name, and whenever anything looked promising and I'd click on it, the page would be gone. Even cache would turn up nothing. Could be nothing, could be something, wish I had access to Lexis/Nexis or something like that.

I honestly don't care who sleeps with whom. If it turns out there were fiscal irregularities, that's more important to me.

I agree and don't believe it goes anywhere. If it really mattered, Gennifer Flowers would have torpedoed Slick in 1992. I guess part of my original inspiration for linking the Daily Mail item was how they presented it with a Michelle Obama freaking out angle which I found kind of amusing.

Next time it happens, McCain should say, "Show Moby the door",

Then explain that the events are open to the general public, not just card carrying Republicans, and that nobody gets in with banners anymore.... and a Moby is...

Thereafter, just say, "Show Moby the door, and stop projecting"

re: #95 Charles

Guh.

Now what would have been funny is if McCain just corrected her pronunciation.

re: #91 Outrider

One more time: Dana Milbank is a man.

He is not "far-left". He is not an idiot. He is not, however, a Republican.

Then explain that the events are open to the general public, not just card carrying Republicans, and that nobody gets in with banners anymore.... and a Moby is...

Moby? Dick.

re: #104 JammieWearingFool

As a point of clarification, Dana Milbank is a man.

A moonbat, but still a man.

Could that be a matter of opinion? *smiles