He's been getting troll-infested.

So, can we can call this "Troll Hammer II"?

I have to admit that the last couple of weeks, when I see the words "open registration", I cringe. No offense meant to all the new lizards who are on the up and up.

Huffing and puffing to run from thread to thread.

Awesome! I have fought every damn one of these Whitey tapes, Obama's girl friend, Obama is a muslim rumors. They have not helped our cause.

Way to go. You're Aces in my book!

Saw this earlier.
Supposedly the poorly-confirmed rumor that Ace is alluding to below is that Ayers used to baby-sit Obama's kids.
No idea if that's true or not.

Conservatives will never get good press or a fair hearing, even if John McCain throws a tea party and endorses Obama for President.
(He seems to have pretty much done everything else so far).

The question is, how many of the nut-cases are plants?

Forget a flame war, they are lobbing white phosphorus grenades in the comments there.

I wonder if that woman knows how stupid she sounded.

The sad part is that there are so many arguments against the opposition that there is no need to resort to such accusations.

re: #10 buzzsawmonkey

We've got plenty of folks here who, given a gram or two of encouragement, will launch into the birth certificate or "Obama is a Muslim" crap.

Like pawn hunting in chess. Fun, easy and will cause you to lose.

Ace is 100% correct. Unfortunately, though, idiocy from the right is amplified while idiocy from the Left is obfuscated.

re: #11 ploome hineni

what Obama pal-gal story?

/why didn;t ace just delete and block the spammer?

If he did have a pal-gal, he'd probably get more sympathy than anything else from the story, given his charming bride.

But Offendi is right. Conservatives will never get a fair shake from the propaganda press.

re: #12 MandyManners

I wonder if that woman knows how stupid she sounded.

No, fanatics generally can't consider viewpoints not their own. I often have the same problem, but I know I have it and I try to fight it (and am successful in fighting it).

re: #18 ploome hineni

did you see the story?

I googled the name someone mentioned a couple of threads back. Some of the PUMAs are on it. What they have sounds suspicious but then, they've been running with the fake birth certificate story so who knows what's going on.

It must also be said:

How many of these persons screaming "Terrorist!" at McCain rallies are Mobys?

I.

Wouldn't.

Put.

It.

Past.

Them.

re: #19 Mike McDaniel

Which is why it needs to use the troll hammer with impunity. The high road always has a cost, whether it's paid willingly or not.

re: #22 Arkay

It must also be said:

How many of these persons screaming "Terrorist!" at McCain rallies are Mobys?

I.

Wouldn't.

Put.

It.

Past.

Them.

I'll go further and suggest it is all of them.

Plays too much into Democrat stereotypes of Republicans and, frankly, we have more class than that.

re: #23 godfrey

Which is why it needs to use the troll hammer with impunity. The high road always has a cost, whether it's paid willingly or not.

I agree, he needs to use it ...er...liberally.

Maybe the people who were shouting terrorist, muslim, etc were liberal plants whose job was to rile up the crowd, knowing that the press would attack McCain on this.

Just thinking

re: #5 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Awesome! I have fought every damn one of these Whitey tapes, Obama's girl friend, Obama is a muslim rumors. They have not helped our cause.

Way to go. You're Aces in my book!

I agree 100% with the points you mentioned.

re: #11 ploome hineni

He did both.

Ace always called it his "moron blog."

re: #20 Dark_Falcon

No, fanatics generally can't consider viewpoints not their own. I often have the same problem, but I know I have it and I try to fight it (and am successful in fighting it).

I hope someone points out to her the effects her stupidity might have on the campaign.

Obama girlfriend story? I never saw that one anywhere. Straw girlfriend?

re: #26 FIVEOFNINE

Maybe the people who were shouting terrorist, muslim, etc were liberal plants whose job was to rile up the crowd, knowing that the press would attack McCain on this.

Just thinking

Manufactured issue. Which required McCain to make the public statement he did, causing the Obamatons to rub their hands in glee, an conservatives to start eating their own some more.

Kos kid plants or self-indulgent retards. Either way, an appropriate smack down.

I'm so glad it was Said, thanx Ace.

My sense is that a good majority of voters are not going to be driven to vote for Obama over a half-baked moronic comment by a cretin or two. Sure a lot of "whites" recall Obama was sitting over in the pew when Rev Wright was making his endearing comments about the country. "Typical white person" about grandma by Barry wasn't exactly respectful about granny or white people either.
People are going to be driven to vote by who scares them less in these perilous times and Maverick has been stinking it up in making the case he is the better choice.

re: #8 Mike McDaniel

The question is, how many of the nut-cases are plants?

Exactly my sentiments, but when you look at the nutty Obots you have to wonder if we have some too

re: #30 spirochete

Obama girlfriend story? I never saw that one anywhere. Straw girlfriend?

You sure didn't see it here.

re: #10 buzzsawmonkey

We've got plenty of folks here who, given a gram or two of encouragement, will launch into the birth certificate or "Obama is a Muslim" crap.

Wait, what? He's got that funny name and he doesn't look like like all those other presidents on dollar bills! Settles it for me.

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re: #26 FIVEOFNINE

Maybe the people who were shouting terrorist, muslim, etc were liberal plants whose job was to rile up the crowd, knowing that the press would attack McCain on this.

Just thinking

Exactly. Not to mention from what I've seen, only one person claimed to have heard the shouts--a far left MSM reporter.
Suspect? Yes. Untrue? Not necessarily.

re: #30 spirochete

Obama girlfriend story? I never saw that one anywhere. Straw girlfriend?

Inflatable?

re: #30 spirochete

Obama girlfriend story? I never saw that one anywhere. Straw girlfriend?

Nothing to see there. If Obama had a fling, nobody would care.

Hell, he spends his time with a real live terrorist and the public gives it a yawn.

Bravo!

re: #30 spirochete

Obama girlfriend story? I never saw that one anywhere. Straw girlfriend?

Somebody linked to it in a thread this morning. It sounded completely bogus. Whatever else Obama is, I don't get the sense he's a cheater, the way I did with Clinton.

re: #30 spirochete

Obama girlfriend story? I never saw that one anywhere. Straw girlfriend?

Apparently he's got some honey tucked away in the Carribean that used to make him a lot of money and she wrecked his vacation plans. Only CNN showed up. Are we clear now?

re: #40 ploome hineni

He was unprepared for it. He just said, "No, ma'am, no ma'am," and walked away. In politics, that was a golden opportunity, blown.

McCain's campaign said they don't screen all the people attending the town hall style rallies. Is that true? If so, who knows who is behind the shouting.

re: #43 arethusa

Somebody linked to it in a thread this morning. It sounded completely bogus. Whatever else Obama is, I don't get the sense he's a cheater, the way I did with Clinton.

My husband and I were in hysterics watching Clinton drool over Sarah Palin.

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Bravo!

Bravo, yourself. How's the fishing and woodworking going?

re: #36 Charles

You sure didn't see it here.

No kidding. Once again, there are plenty of legitimate issues to address regarding Obama, no need to really drag anything dirty in, even if it were true.

re: #44 coquimbojoe

Apparently he's got some honey tucked away in the Carribean that used to make him a lot of money and she wrecked his vacation plans. Only CNN showed up. Are we clear now?

ACORN is the ticket, gf story is probably made up to throw GOP off the scent of voter fraud

re: #16 obscured by clouds

Ace is 100% correct. Unfortunately, though, idiocy from the right is amplified while idiocy from the Left is obfuscated.

That doesn't mean that Ace should put up with it on his site.

re: #11 ploome hineni

what Obama pal-gal story?

/why didn't ace just delete and block the spammer?

He didn't want to mention the name of the woman as relates to that story and just pulled it entirely (he left the original from last night, which linked to me) because a lot of people were mentioning her name.

I left her name up, and curiously, her website has been yanked, which appears a bit suspicious.

While I don't believe the story will gain much traction, I left it up to make a point. It started with a Daily Mail story and seems pretty well sourced, moreso in fact than the NYT piece linking McCain with a lobbyist. My point with my original last night was just to poke the libs in the eye since they just make things up about McCain/Palin and the source for this was a major news outlet.

The MSM is using the incident to claim McCain/Palin are preaching hate or encouraging it. As usual they ignore the hate from the left as Michelle Malkin points out.

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

re: #46 West Coast Freedom

McCain's campaign said they don't screen all the people attending the town hall style rallies. Is that true? If so, who knows who is behind the shouting.

No they don't.

Trolls can really ruin your day. And even, your presidential campaign.

Can they really be trolls when they're on "our" side? These are not LLL operatives trying to stoke "right wing" fires. These are poorly informed, hysterical and stupid Republicans. Perhaps we need a new word because they aren't really trolls.

Larry Johnson is pumping the Obama pal-gal story, so I'd give it as much credence at as the Michelle whitey tape.

re: #36 Charles

Uh, Charles someone linked to it a while ago, downstairs. You didn't bring it up, but someone else here did.

re: #29 MandyManners

I hope someone points out to her the effects her stupidity might have on the campaign.

Sadly, Mandy, there aren't enough of us anti-idiotarians to deal with all the idiots who pop up.

re: #50 SpartanWoman

ACORN is the ticket, gf story is probably made up to throw GOP off the scent of voter fraud

I agree, but most people don't care about the details, even if the details involve your freedom being stolen out from under you.

They tried to start a girlfriend story with Kerry too. Drudge even ran with it, turned out bogus

re: #51 Dianna

That doesn't mean that Ace should put up with it on his site.

True. I saw the responses and the guy could have gotten him sued by his posts. This was even after he told him to knock off the behavior.

re: #56 HelloDare

Larry Johnson is pumping the Obama pal-gal story, so I'd give it as much credence at as the Michelle whitey tape.

Now I'm having second thoughts.

re: #53 Hard Right

The MSM is using the incident to claim McCain/Palin are preaching hate or encouraging it. As usual they ignore the hate from the left as Michelle Malkin points out.

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

When you marinate in filth for any length period the smell does tend to become un-noticed after a spell.

re: #55 Killgore Trout

Can they really be trolls when they're on "our" side? These are not LLL operatives trying to stoke "right wing" fires. These are poorly informed, hysterical and stupid Republicans. Perhaps we need a new word because they aren't really trolls.

Well, "useful idiots" would seem to work.

It IS possible some were agit-prop moby's, but I seriously doubt it. Blaming it all on plants becomes like crying wolf at a certain point. People attending those rallies should exercise discipline. And they should be aware they are under a microscope.

People are giving Obama too much cred, just because he's black.. It's strange IMO.. I don't trust people who use their skin color for help or hurt.

/Obama has ran ON race from the first day, and against revealing it from the second day.

re: #55 Killgore Trout

Can they really be trolls when they're on "our" side? These are not LLL operatives trying to stoke "right wing" fires. These are poorly informed, hysterical and stupid Republicans. Perhaps we need a new word because they aren't really trolls.

While we know we have a few wackos on our side, the problem is determining when they really are on our side. Savage Nation seemed to be one of us, but wasn't.

re: #59 coquimbojoe

I agree, but most people don't care about the details, even if the details involve your freedom being stolen out from under you.

If it got a wide audience, and the press did their jobs, the gritty details would be irrelevant.

re: #48 coquimbojoe

I haven't done much fishing here in the Pac NW but I did get some fishing in while on vacation in Mauritius last month. I actually paid on of the local fishermen to haul nets on his boat all day. It was big fun and they put up with me pretty well. They're great people.
Woodworking is going Ok but I'm sweating my finances lately. It was a lean year and next year doesn't look much better.

re: #50 SpartanWoman

ACORN is the ticket, gf story is probably made up to throw GOP off the scent of voter fraud

Heh..I was just thinking the same thing.

Given how quickly stuff has been shoved aside by the MSM with Barry, it's good to see that the Acorn and Ayers stories still have some legs after one week. The Acorn one seems especially ready to explode given how more and more states are getting fed up with all the fake registrations.

Well, the Left can forget about Matt Drudge leaning more left over the years and being one of their friends...

He's just posted one of the top lines the YouTube video showing the verbal assaults of the Upper West Side elites against the McCain-Palin supporters in NYC two weeks ago.

I hope this video goes viral before YouTube Big Brother removes it.

re: #64 Dark_Falcon

Well, "useful idiots" would seem to work.
Bingo!
/Ouch

Anyone who has worked or volunteered on a campaign knows that you are like Don Rumsfeld; you fight with the Army you have. Any time you are sitting there or marching with an assortment of college students, retirees, true believers and hopeful climbers there is one who is going to be strange. There are two frustrating things that happen. The first is that you can have 39 sober focused intelligent people who are ready willing and able to discuss the issues standing there but they will be ignored. One clown shows up in a tin foil hat with a hand made sign and the press run to them like Chuck Schumer at the sight of a camera. You can't blame them to much since it is their job. The second thing is why it rankles. You know in your bones that the other side is more populated with Troofers, anti-Semites, and all around wierdos but somehow that staory doesn't get reported.

re: #68 SpartanWoman

If it got a wide audience, and the press did their jobs, the gritty details would be irrelevant.

Again I agree. If only...

re: #57 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thanks, that was me!

re: #61 Hard Right

Yeah. A point Ace made, rather forcefully.

I really like Ace, but some of his commenters...I stopped commenting, much.

re: #78 Dianna

Yeah. A point Ace made, rather forcefully.

I really like Ace, but some of his commenters...I stopped commenting, much.

Handling commenters is ... tricky.

Maybe it's just me, but I never really saw Obama as "black". I see him as an embodiment of discarded ideas of the past. The race aspect just doesn't even register.

re: #73 sagamoregal

Well, the Left can forget about Matt Drudge leaning more left over the years and being one of their friends...

He's just posted one of the top lines the YouTube video showing the verbal assaults of the Upper West Side elites against the McCain-Palin supporters in NYC two weeks ago.

I hope this video goes viral before YouTube Big Brother removes it.

God Bless you Matt!

re: #50 SpartanWoman

ACORN is the ticket, gf story is probably made up to throw GOP off the scent of voter fraud

Agreed:

Step1. Talk about Acorn
Step 2. Then Acorn money in the first bailout bill (hmmm)
Step 3. Then Dodd and Pelosi
Step 4. Rinse and Repeat

re: #77 MrPaulRevere

Oops, I meant to say I posted Ace's link first

re: #70 Killgore Trout

I haven't done much fishing here in the Pac NW but I did get some fishing in while on vacation in Mauritius last month. I actually paid on of the local fishermen to haul nets on his boat all day. It was big fun and they put up with me pretty well. They're great people.
Woodworking is going Ok but I'm sweating my finances lately. It was a lean year and next year doesn't look much better.

Well, fishing in Mauritius sounds very cool. Good luck next year! Right now my gut tells me next year could go both ways...that, and to serve the lasagna.

Have a good evening.

Big thread on Lucianne on this:
McCain’s ignoble failure to ignite

No, I don’t mean his physical ailments, partly brought on by age and partly by the vicissitudes of torture at the hands of his captors in Hanoi 40 years ago. And I don’t mean his policies, although God knows he has some explaining to do there as well.

I am talking about his inability to carry the battle to his enemies — to look a man square in the eye and tell him, “You are wrong.” He hasn’t yet determined how to run a campaign aimed against Barack Obama’s many flaws, and time is running out. Heck, even Joe Biden understands that McCain looks weak and ineffective on this score.

What I don't understand is how this post at Ace's got linked by Charles, when he completely ignored the totally awesome Overnight Thread/Haiku Contest post I did there last night.

For those of you who missed it there's an interview with the lady in red who embarrassed McCain last week....
McCain Responds to "Arab" Epithet at Rally: "Obama a Decent Family Man"

She was a McCain volunteer and not an Obama plant as many suggested. That old coot was a very useful idiot.

re: #12 MandyManners

I wonder if that woman knows how stupid she sounded.

If you sound really stupid, there is a very good possibility you don't realize it. Maybe someday.....

Can we create a new class of troll called the "Meta Troll?"

Nodrog has created a troll dump where he documents how and when (and postulates why - with his signature 'clarity'). A troll who documents troll purges in an obsessive compulsive manner - Meta Troll.

Future are up massively...

[Link: money.cnn.com...]

re: #36 Charles

You sure didn't see it here.

Damn skippy. This ain't the National Enquirer.re: #38 Hard Right

Exactly. Not to mention from what I've seen, only one person claimed to have heard the shouts--a far left MSM reporter.
Suspect? Yes. Untrue? Not necessarily.

This same woman, Dana Milbank was the only one to have heard the man holler "terrorist". The other reporters did not nor did the crowd.

This same reporter did a story in which she claimed to have heard a Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, "Sit down, boy."

The same reporter is the same one that did a story concerning Gov Palins statement, "This is not a man who sees America the way you and I see America," and reporting it as a racist story.

I put up a story today on it using Malkins photos on my site.

re: #30 spirochete

The issue was not so much that she may or may not be a girlfriend but that she had been working on the campaign --disappeared and is in the Caribbean but still on someone's "payroll."

If I recall the story was published in the Daily Mail --UK.

re: #85 itellu3times

Editorial by Frank Miele, managing editor of the Daily Inter Lake.

re: #84 coquimbojoe

Cheers!

re: #87 Killgore Trout

Guh.

re: #91 Outrider

Nice work!

re: #62 JammieWearingFool

Now I'm having second thoughts.

I don't know what to think. I googled various variations of the name, and whenever anything looked promising and I'd click on it, the page would be gone. Even cache would turn up nothing. Could be nothing, could be something, wish I had access to Lexis/Nexis or something like that.

I honestly don't care who sleeps with whom. If it turns out there were fiscal irregularities, that's more important to me.

What's scare me the most about McCain and very close returns on election night that can't begin to be called at midnight is that he will drag his advisors kicking and screaming to the microphones to concede too soon.

His niceness scares the shit out of me.

Remember Axelrod is the Prince of Atroturf. Some of these dead end stories are probably traps laid out to discredit the opposition when they report on the real scandals. My suspician was that the girlfriend story either had that behind it or was just thrown out there to cover for other rumors about Barack's apparant monastic existence. Obama since High School has made Jimmy Carter look like a bon vivant.

This entire election cycle has been marred by a) cross-party primary voters voting for their preferred opposition candidate and b) provocateurs showing up at rallies and acting like sh-ts ("Iron My Shirt") and others. At a Palin rally I went to, there was the Obama mob on their side of the street, but in the Palin mob I was in, there were nut jobs that were just there to stir up trouble. Oddly, they were the ones that got the media coverage that evening. I even suspected the media put them there to begin with.

It is fraying my very last bit of Christian bearing.

re: #95 Charles

Yeah.

re: #55 Killgore Trout

Can they really be trolls when they're on "our" side? These are not LLL operatives trying to stoke "right wing" fires. These are poorly informed, hysterical and stupid Republicans. Perhaps we need a new word because they aren't really trolls.

Uruk-hai?

I posted this yesterday on another thread. The woman who said this is a 75 year old grandma from a suburb of Minneapolis. While she certainly could have been a moonbat plant (it was Minnesota after all) I don't think so. She just forgot to use common sense and good judgment and blurted out what was, for her, a very real threat. I'm sure she's living to regret it given the uproar it's caused.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

McCain: Obama is not ‘an Arab’

re: #91 Outrider

This same woman, Dana Milbank was the only one to have heard the man holler "terrorist". The other reporters did not nor did the crowd.

This same reporter did a story in which she claimed to have heard a Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, "Sit down, boy."

The same reporter is the same one that did a story concerning Gov Palins statement, "This is not a man who sees America the way you and I see America," and reporting it as a racist story.

I put up a story today on it using Malkins photos on my site.

As a point of clarification, Dana Milbank is a man.

A moonbat, but still a man.

re: #89 karmic_inquisitor
PIMF...

"where he documents how and when (and postulates why - with his signature 'clarity') LGF bans occurred."

re: #95 Charles

Guh.

Guh?

Did you mean...ugh?

i could never handle the commitment to owning a blog.
having to make decisions all day about topics, making a decisions where the line is for such discourse. Knowing everything ends up the sites responsibilty .
It's a brave calling.

re: #79 Charles

Handling commenters is ... tricky.

I appreciate that. It's why I try - emphasis on try - to watch what I type. Given my temperament, that's not easy.

re: #78 Dianna

Yeah. A point Ace made, rather forcefully.

I really like Ace, but some of his commenters...I stopped commenting, much.

Haven't been there too much until late. I've seen a lot of lefties over there. In fact, I visit about 10 conservative sites a day and most are overrun with them. I need to start my own blog just for the joy of booting them.

re: #106 Vinnie

Watch the interview. She did a lot of damage. I almost feel bad for her, she embarrassed herself and McCain nationally. She would have seriously damaged the campaign if it weren't already seriously damaged.

re: #97 Palandine

I don't know what to think. I googled various variations of the name, and whenever anything looked promising and I'd click on it, the page would be gone. Even cache would turn up nothing. Could be nothing, could be something, wish I had access to Lexis/Nexis or something like that.

I honestly don't care who sleeps with whom. If it turns out there were fiscal irregularities, that's more important to me.

I agree and don't believe it goes anywhere. If it really mattered, Gennifer Flowers would have torpedoed Slick in 1992. I guess part of my original inspiration for linking the Daily Mail item was how they presented it with a Michelle Obama freaking out angle which I found kind of amusing.

Next time it happens, McCain should say, "Show Moby the door",

Then explain that the events are open to the general public, not just card carrying Republicans, and that nobody gets in with banners anymore.... and a Moby is...

Thereafter, just say, "Show Moby the door, and stop projecting"

re: #95 Charles

Guh.

Now what would have been funny is if McCain just corrected her pronunciation.

re: #91 Outrider

One more time: Dana Milbank is a man.

He is not "far-left". He is not an idiot. He is not, however, a Republican.

Then explain that the events are open to the general public, not just card carrying Republicans, and that nobody gets in with banners anymore.... and a Moby is...

Moby? Dick.

re: #104 JammieWearingFool

As a point of clarification, Dana Milbank is a man.

A moonbat, but still a man.

Could that be a matter of opinion? *smiles

99% are good and 1% are bad.

funny...1%er is a patch worn proudly by motorcycle clubs like
Hell's Angels
the Outlaws
Los Bandidos...
etc...
to show they are the misfits, the rebels...

Perhaps there could be a 1%er political party. Or a biker political group.
These are strange times indeed.

re: #73 sagamoregal

Well, the Left can forget about Matt Drudge leaning more left over the years and being one of their friends...

He's just posted one of the top lines the YouTube video showing the verbal assaults of the Upper West Side elites against the McCain-Palin supporters in NYC two weeks ago.

I hope this video goes viral before YouTube Big Brother removes it.

I went and watched it..countdown to 0bama's truth squads removing it in..3..2..1..

Maybe 1% of McCain's supporters (or less) are trolls, and people are saying they've "ruined" his campaign.

Obama's entire campaign is run by trolls and probably the majority of his supporters are trolls, but that's OK. They can steal and burn yard signs and commit election fraud and intimidate McCain supporters with threats of legal action and crudely smear Sarah Palin and the media gives them a pass.

Sorry, I don't buy the meme that McCain's campaign has been "ruined' by these trolls. Walking for McCain/Palin, I'm encouraged by how informed the voters I'm meeting are. They know about media bias. They know what's what about Obama. They're not super excited about McCain, but they ARE excited about Palin. Nothing is going to make them change their vote, certainly not some idiot at a rally, no matter how much he or she is splashed all over the news.

We need to stop kicking ourselves over this crap, and be talking ACORN, Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac, higher taxes, Ayers, Wright, Rezko, al-Mansour, Soros, BAIPA, etc. etc., etc., 24-7.

WTF? What is Ace alluding to re ' gal pal'? If there's not a story he can post, I wish there had been no mention of it.
And what is he talking about re LGF and hate sites?
'Scuse me if this has been gone over and over...... I haven't spent a lot of time online today.....
but I'm probably not the only one.
So.... if any of ya'll could do a mini recap for a feeling- seriously- out- of -the- loop lizard, that'd be really great......thanks......

re: #118 nightintheruts

I just now "got" your nic. LOL!

Back from 7 months in the gulf, Afghanistan and Irak, what is up?

re: #104 JammieWearingFool

Milbank is the reporter who covered - with deep mockery and scorn - the "impeachment" nonsense held in some conference room. He's left-leaning, but he's not a moonbat.

re: #121 tradewind

Google Vera Baker.

re: #123 eddiespaghetti

Back from 7 months in the gulf, Afghanistan and Irak, what is up?

WELCOME BACK!

re: #87 Killgore Trout

For those of you who missed it there's an interview with the lady in red who embarrassed McCain last week....
McCain Responds to "Arab" Epithet at Rally: "Obama a Decent Family Man"

She was a McCain volunteer and not an Obama plant as many suggested. That old coot was a very useful idiot.

Yeah - I figured she was the real deal. I'm still not so sure who yelled "kill him". That's one seems a bit more suspicious.

re: #123 eddiespaghetti

thank you . I hope you get a nice break.

and in your opinion, things are improving?

Seeing the posters at #91's site reminds me.....0bama does not allow anybody to bring in any ready-made posters to his rallies.
I thought (when I first heard that) it was so no anti-0bama stuff would wave.
Obviously it is because he knows what rabid junk they'd wave if they could.

re: #120 Tigger2005

Maybe 1% of McCain's supporters (or less) are trolls, and people are saying they've "ruined" his campaign.

Obama's entire campaign is run by trolls and probably the majority of his supporters are trolls, but that's OK. They can steal and burn yard signs and commit election fraud and intimidate McCain supporters with threats of legal action and crudely smear Sarah Palin and the media gives them a pass.

Sorry, I don't buy the meme that McCain's campaign has been "ruined' by these trolls. Walking for McCain/Palin, I'm encouraged by how informed the voters I'm meeting are. They know about media bias. They know what's what about Obama. They're not super excited about McCain, but they ARE excited about Palin. Nothing is going to make them change their vote, certainly not some idiot at a rally, no matter how much he or she is splashed all over the news.

We need to stop kicking ourselves over this crap, and be talking ACORN, Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac, higher taxes, Ayers, Wright, Rezko, al-Mansour, Soros, BAIPA, etc. etc., etc., 24-7.

Here's the problem: Our minute amount of screwballs are getting massive coverage by the MSM. Obama's rather large of extremist knuckleheads are getting no play. We have to be better than them. We have to set a better example. We have to, because everyone is watching now.

re: #123 eddiespaghetti

Back from 7 months in the gulf, Afghanistan and Irak, what is up?

Welcome home & a big thank-you for your service.

re: #98 sagamoregal

You have to start believing that anyone in their right mind, after going through this process, is ready to say ' screw it, you want it, you got it, bubba', and concede before the polls close.
/But then again, that's why they didn't nominate me/

re: #87 Killgore Trout

I'm feeling kind of sorry for the old lady now. But why in the world wouldn't someone who works at McCain's headquarters know better than to say what she did in a public forum? Train your volunteers to use common sense and to watch everything they say or do.

re: #121 tradewind

The Daily Mail (UK) website has the story, what there is of it.

re: #125 MandyManners

Thanks, Mandy

re: #91 Outrider

This same woman, Dana Milbank was the only one to have heard the man holler "terrorist". The other reporters did not nor did the crowd.

This same reporter did a story in which she claimed to have heard a Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, "Sit down, boy."

The same reporter is the same one that did a story concerning Gov Palins statement, "This is not a man who sees America the way you and I see America," and reporting it as a racist story.

I put up a story today on it using Malkins photos on my site.

Thanks for the info. I couldn't remember the reporter, but knew it was a moonbat.

re: #123 eddiespaghetti

Back from 7 months in the gulf, Afghanistan and Irak, what is up?

Really? For real? Welcome back, soldier/sailor/airman. Thank you for your service.

Oh, and Iraq is with a "q". :)

re: #85 itellu3times

Big thread on Lucianne on this:
McCain’s ignoble failure to ignite

Again, we can't keep obsessing about this. We are wasting time talking about this when we need to keep hammering on ACORN, voter fraud, etc. If McCain doesn't fire you up, then let Palin fire you up! Let the prospect of an Obama presidency fire you up! Fire yourself up! I admit I was discouraged coming home from walking for McCain/Palin Friday night and finding the news about the troll at the rally, but I went back out today and I'm glad I did! The enthusiasm of the young people at the campaign office is infectious, and while going door to door I talked almost an hour with a man who was as informed about Obama as any of us could wish for.

re: #113 PETN Sandwich

"Show Moby the door"

I like!

i am so with you tfk
re: #69 taxfreekiller

All that matters now is the turn out Nov. 4, we have to pull, drag, push, McCain/Palin across the finish line the winners.

Does not matter if Obama goes on national TV and throws Michael under the bus and says he will marry some cutie right after he is sworn in.

Just get McCain elected and do all we can to slow Nancy and Harry down.

misdirection burns up fuel, and time

re: #118 nightintheruts

99% are good and 1% are bad.

funny...1%er is a patch worn proudly by motorcycle clubs like
Hell's Angels
the Outlaws
Los Bandidos...
etc...
to show they are the misfits, the rebels...

Perhaps there could be a 1%er political party. Or a biker political group.
These are strange times indeed.

1% of the vote will likely be enough to tip this election.

re: #104 JammieWearingFool

As a point of clarification, Dana Milbank is a man.

A moonbat, but still a man.

Aw poop. You know what? I remember seeing his daggoned photo while doing that story and it did not sink in. Thanks. I'll fix it right up.

Hmm...

don't be suprised if these aren't democrat plants to make John look bad.

agentprovatours.

re: #123 eddiespaghetti

Welcome back. Thanks for everything you did.

Good Evening Lizards..
Just got home from camping this weekend..waiting my turn at the shower..
What is up?
Hey all weekend without the Internet.. I'm even back reading the Ace stuff..
Ace is good people..
/ We camped out in Cuba this weekend..
Cuba?
hey i love that..Cuba Indiana..

Things improving? Well, Irak was boring from the air. Nothing to do, literally a waste of gas and time. This is good. Thanks to Patreus, and the men / women on the ground.

Afghanistan, that was happening, much to do. From my stand-point, much to do. Michael Yon has best perspective, we either win or loose. It will take time and effort, blood and gold.

re: #138 Tigger2005

How much evidence is there that ACORN-style chicanery during the primaries yielded Obama the Democrat nomination, even when Hilary got the majority of Dem primary votes?

If *that* case can be made convincingly, it would probably both encourage turnout for McCain and discourage turnout for Obama.

re: #47 livefreeor die

My husband and I were in hysterics watching Clinton drool over Sarah Palin.

Yup, us too. Iowahawk did a really funny piece on it, IIRC. The "Don Clinton" one.

re: #115 Dianna

One more time: Dana Milbank is a man.

He is not "far-left". He is not an idiot. He is not, however, a Republican.

Repeatedly screaming racism where there is none would seem to contradict the not "far-left" claim.

re: #149 eddiespaghetti

Why do you spell Iraq with a "k"?

re: #122 MandyManners

I just now "got" your nic. LOL!

ya know...after 4 or 5 years here only one other person has got it = )

re: #120 Tigger2005

I agree. As TFK said in an earlier post, this issue is burning precious fuel needed to get to the finish line.

re: #153 Dianna

Why do you spell Iraq with a "k"?

Is he German?

re: #150 looking closely

How much evidence is there that ACORN-style chicanery during the primaries yielded Obama the Democrat nomination, even when Hilary got the majority of Dem primary votes?

If *that* case can be made convincingly, it would probably both encourage turnout for McCain and discourage turnout for Obama.

Not enough, or at least I haven't heard much.

it's come down to this now, of course, we are dealing w/ win at all cost lib scum.
sending in pos trouble maker shameless cretins to harass a decent man.
i just shake my head in disbelief at how low libs can sink.
we need to just accept that their is NO honor in the leftist horde.

re: #104 JammieWearingFool

As a point of clarification, Dana Milbank is a man.

A moonbat, but still a man.

Fixed. Again thanks.

#137, thanks! Graduate degree, sarcasm from Kerry campaign visa-vi 4 years ago!

re: #115 Dianna

One more time: Dana Milbank is a man.

He is not "far-left". He is not an idiot. He is not, however, a Republican.

He may not be far left, but he is the only one who heard the word "kill him". So he reports something that no one else heard, and the MSM repeats and repeats his "report". Disgusting. Even the Secret Service has dropped the investigation.

re: #154 nightintheruts

ya know...after 4 or 5 years here only one other person has got it = )

Who?

re: #123 eddiespaghetti

Back from 7 months in the gulf, Afghanistan and Irak, what is up?

We're so pleased that you are home, safe and sound. THANK YOU for serving and protecting us, Eddie.

re: #55 Killgore Trout

Can they really be trolls when they're on "our" side? These are not LLL operatives trying to stoke "right wing" fires. These are poorly informed, hysterical and stupid Republicans. Perhaps we need a new word because they aren't really trolls.

Skull rocks, brain child, head space void, broken record, broken clock, submarine screen door, Three Way Street, yapper bird, Social Numb, gasoline fire extinguisher, brain grease, cue card...

re: #154 nightintheruts

ya know...after 4 or 5 years here only one other person has got it = )

I don't get it..Come on ..tell us!

So far we haven't seen any high school kids dressed up in paramilitary uniforms drilling and singing the praises of John McCain, have we? My sense is that some of the supporters of Barrack Obama just might be a lot more dangerous to the future of American democracy than some clueless and misguided supporters of John McCain.

Remember in that movie about the Trapp family , "The Sound of Music" they had a scene where a fresh-faced, innocent kid was singing the song " The Future Belongs to Me"? The camera panned back to reveal he was wearing a Nazi youth uniform. Chilling.

# 137, just saw the smiley face, sorry.

re: #161 seekeroftruth

He may not be far left, but he is the only one who heard the word "kill him". So he reports something that no one else heard, and the MSM repeats and repeats his "report". Disgusting. Even the Secret Service has dropped the investigation.

Again, he has repeatedly claimed racism where there was none simply because his messiah was criticized. That sure sounds like a moonbat to me.

re: #152 Hard Right

Repeatedly screaming racism where there is none would seem to contradict the not "far-left" claim.

Milbank has not repeatedly screamed "racism" that I'm aware, but I don't follow his every word. I know that, given that he's press, he's at the very base of the platform, and more likely to hear the comments shouted. I would not be surprised if the fools and the fanatics and the plants are heard by him because, well, they get as close to the platform as possible.

re: #133 twincitiesgirl

But why in the world wouldn't someone who works at McCain's headquarters know better than to say what she did in a public forum?

That's the core of the problem. She should have known better. She should have been corrected and properly informed by her fellow McCain supporters but she wasn't. She should have known that her statement was stupid and bigoted but she didn't.
Just this morning I was debating the accuracy of one of those spam emails spreading inaccurate information about Obama's tax policies here on LGF. When I posted accurate and easily researched information everybody pounced on me for spreading progressive propaganda. People were more concerned with damaging Obama that factual accuracy. People continued to post the false information throughout the day.
It's very damaging to cling to easily debunked propaganda because you think it will advance your agenda. I've watched the Koskidz do it for years.

re: #162 MandyManners

Who?

just transpose a coupla letters, huh

re: #153 Dianna

Why do you spell Iraq with a "k"?

Eddie can spell it however Eddie wants!

Eddie, we're glad you're home safe. Thanks.

re: #130 Wyatt Earp

Here's the problem: Our minute amount of screwballs are getting massive coverage by the MSM. Obama's rather large of extremist knuckleheads are getting no play. We have to be better than them. We have to set a better example. We have to, because everyone is watching now.

It doesn't matter what we do. Even if 100% of McCain's supporters behave themselves, Obamabot plants will provide fireworks anyway. Just keep hammering and attacking, don't back off or let up for a second. Ignore the trolls, ignore the MSM. Let the MSM bleat all they want. Don't react to them. There is no time for it. Just keep hammering, 24/7. Stay on message. Attack, don't react.

re: #150 looking closely

How much evidence is there that ACORN-style chicanery during the primaries yielded Obama the Democrat nomination, even when Hilary got the majority of Dem primary votes?

If *that* case can be made convincingly, it would probably both encourage turnout for McCain and discourage turnout for Obama.

I saw some mention of that at either P.U.M.A. or Hillbuzz & they're not happy about it..Americans really don't like cheaters.

The man is a racist, Marxist, who's affiliated with known terrorists, is backed by the dirtiest political machine and voter fraud group in the country and is a wholly owned subsidiary of George Soros.
Everything else is a distraction!
AUGH!
(this is why I don't post much - most days I get here, read two things and feel like my head's going to explode)

I'd say that Milbank isn't especially radical. He's just a 'Typical Media Person': in the tank for Obama.

re: #154 nightintheruts

I 'got' it too, I'm just a little shy.

/turning red

So my links that prove Obama is an alien-controlled clone of Rudolf Hess, and that he is heavily involved with a rather intense form of voodoo/Santeria....wouldn't be appreciated......well darn!

Oh well. There is still the fact that he is an inexperienced, naive, socialistic, left wing, empty suit, with ties to racist nutjob preachers, unrepentant ex-terrorists, crooked real estate deals, and an unethical organization that registers unregisterable voters and promotes unhealthy lending practices.

re: #149 eddiespaghetti

Welcome home!

re: #160 eddiespaghetti

#137, thanks! Graduate degree, sarcasm from Kerry campaign visa-vi 4 years ago!

lol. You're going to fit in real well.

re: #175 Killer Tomato

Well, was that an attack?

//

re: #169 Dianna

Milbank has not repeatedly screamed "racism" that I'm aware, but I don't follow his every word. I know that, given that he's press, he's at the very base of the platform, and more likely to hear the comments shouted. I would not be surprised if the fools and the fanatics and the plants are heard by him because, well, they get as close to the platform as possible.

I don't follow his every word, but have heard his shrieks. His claim is suspect, but not necessarily untrue.
Also, it could have been a moby. Could have been a Republican nut. No way to tell.

re: #115 Dianna

One more time: Dana Milbank is a man.

He is not "far-left". He is not an idiot. He is not, however, a Republican.

Alright. Not to be rude but, why am I getting attacked?

One more time? You never said anything about it to me. I fixed it when JWF brought it to my attention.

Did I call him far-left? An idiot? No. Why the attack? Take a pill and settle down.

re: #178 swamprat

So my links that prove Obama is an alien-controlled clone of Rudolf Hess, and that he is heavily involved with a rather intense form of voodoo/Santeria....wouldn't be appreciated......well darn!

Oh well. There is still the fact that he is an inexperienced, naive, socialistic, left wing, empty suit, with ties to racist nutjob preachers, unrepentant ex-terrorists, crooked real estate deals, and an unethical organization that registers unregisterable voters and promotes unhealthy lending practices.

You forgot to mention "endorsed by Hamas."

re: #123 eddiespaghetti

God bless you and welcome back.

re: #156 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

With the mic "eddiespaghetti"? One does doubt it.

re: #178 swamprat

So my links that prove Obama is an alien-controlled clone of Rudolf Hess...

Rudolf Hess comes back as a Maxist, Negro-White halfbreed?

Payback really is a bitch.

re: #11 ploome hineni

what Obama pal-gal story?

/why didn;t ace just delete and block the spammer?

Saw it debunked elsewhere. Obamanation is not an alpha male was the best explanation.

re: #150 looking closely

How much evidence is there that ACORN-style chicanery during the primaries yielded Obama the Democrat nomination, even when Hilary got the majority of Dem primary votes?

If *that* case can be made convincingly, it would probably both encourage turnout for McCain and discourage turnout for Obama.

A month or so ago there was a 4 part piece on You Tube about it - I wouldn't know how to find it now though. Someone had posted the link on here.

The most perfidious way of harming a cause consists of defending it deliberately with faulty arguments.

Friedrich Nietzsche

This quote really pertains to plants and/or idiots at rallies that yell "Kill Him".

Fellow Lizards,
Obama is hypersensitive and it appears that anything goes when it is against Palin but say one word against Obama and the MSM goes into shock.

So just refine your points and make coherent arguments because Libs have neither.

Dana Milbank on Palin:

"...Well, the self-identified pit bull has been unleashed -- if not unhinged.
Barack Obama, she told 8,000 fans at a rally here Monday afternoon, "launched his political career in the living room of a domestic terrorist!"

I disagree with him that stating the facts is necessarily 'unhinged.'

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

I hate Nobama because his socialist policies will cause major damage to our nation. That and his Marxist views and the company he keeps.

Although I agree that campaign and blogger trolls are unproductive, this is what we really need to be focusing on:

Obama's (proven) associations:
Rev. Wright
Bill Ayers
Fr. Pfleger
Tony Rezko
Nadhmi Auchi
Allison Davis
Rashid and Mona Khalidi
David Axelrod
New Party
DSA
ACORN
Fidel Castro
the drunk - Joe Biden

Contrast that with John McCain's associations:
Sarah Palin
Rudy Guliani
Mitt Romney
Joe Lieberman
Tim Pawlenty
Bobby Jindal
Brady Quinn
Sam Brownback
Tom Kean
Mel Martinez
Bob Perry
Lynn Forester de Rothschild

So ... I'm looking at the cover of Golf magazine which has a big pic of Serbio Garcia, club perfectly positioned, body torqued.

The article that accompanies this pic is entitled: "My Secrets for Pure Contact: Six Keys to Knock It Stiff From Any Lie."

Secret language?

re: #170 Killgore Trout

That's the core of the problem. She should have known better. She should have been corrected and properly informed by her fellow McCain supporters but she wasn't. She should have known that her statement was stupid and bigoted but she didn't.
Just this morning I was debating the accuracy of one of those spam emails spreading inaccurate information about Obama's tax policies here on LGF. When I posted accurate and easily researched information everybody pounced on me for spreading progressive propaganda. People were more concerned with damaging Obama that factual accuracy. People continued to post the false information throughout the day.
It's very damaging to cling to easily debunked propaganda because you think it will advance your agenda. I've watched the Koskidz do it for years.

Where can I find said links? I'm interested in having the facts.

re: #187 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

plastic surgery!

re: #166 offendi

So far we haven't seen any high school kids dressed up in paramilitary uniforms drilling and singing the praises of John McCain, have we? My sense is that some of the supporters of Barrack Obama just might be a lot more dangerous to the future of American democracy than some clueless and misguided supporters of John McCain.

Remember in that movie about the Trapp family , "The Sound of Music" they had a scene where a fresh-faced, innocent kid was singing the song " The Future Belongs to Me"? The camera panned back to reveal he was wearing a Nazi youth uniform. Chilling.

"Tomorrow Belongs to Me" from "Cabaret."

Good evening, lizards. Trying to catch up with the threads here.

re: #123 eddiespaghetti

Welcome home and thank you so very much for your service!

re: #183 Outrider

Alright. Not to be rude but, why am I getting attacked?

One more time? You never said anything about it to me. I fixed it when JWF brought it to my attention.

Did I call him far-left? An idiot? No. Why the attack? Take a pill and settle down.

I called him far left. He seems to fit the mold.

re: #162 MandyManners

Who?

wow...can't remember now. It was during the fake Bush military paper deal...

I was trying to come up with some name back then and trying to get my then 3 year old to sleep late one night. He jumped into my lap feet first...and I signed on for the first time in a fetal position.

re: #173 Tigger2005

It doesn't matter what we do. Even if 100% of McCain's supporters behave themselves, Obamabot plants will provide fireworks anyway. Just keep hammering and attacking, don't back off or let up for a second. Ignore the trolls, ignore the MSM. Let the MSM bleat all they want. Don't react to them. There is no time for it. Just keep hammering, 24/7. Stay on message. Attack, don't react.

I agree with you, but we must attack Obama on the issues and not have people shout out "Kill him!" That makes us all look like moonbats.

As easily as Code Pinkers and other detractors are able to get into the Republican convention and other venues, I'm sure they are getting in wherever they can to spread their vile poison and portray the right as deranged. McCain says 0bama wouldn't be a bad president, yet the headlines all weekend were about how the campaign is getting dirtier and nastier. What gives?

re: #170 Killgore Trout

I have to agree with you on that. One of the reasons lgf is such a good blog is that there is always someone to correct you if you screw up or are misinformed. And of course there is always the respectful, I will agree to disagree with you on that. I think the blend of personalities here is great.

re: #172 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Eddie can spell it however Eddie wants!

Eddie, we're glad you're home safe. Thanks.

I don't know him. Now that he's explained that it's sarcasm, that's fine. He can drop it now, and I'll welcome him.

I'm not feeling especially trusting of unfamiliar posters, tonight, for some weird reason.

Are you sure that all this crazies were not trolls sent by Obama campaign?

re: #131 jetprop

Welcome home & a big thank-you for your service.

Yes, Thank you...and I have to apologize that we've failed on the homefront to keep the enemy at bay. We've been infiltrated by serious socialist/marxists that are on the verge of taking over the entire country via a group called Acorn. It's been in the works for decades via a communist "small 'c'" Ayers who is a terrorist who blew up the Pentagon, the Captital building and the New York Police Station - and 17 more bombings. People died. His associates fortunately blew themselves up when preparing a nail bomb for the Officer's dance at Fort Dix. Now this guy Ayers is going to be sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom.

Here's a metaphor: Years ago my doctor had to burn off a number of warts off my hands and he said to me:

"Your immune system should be fighting these off."

Well our political and social immune system should have been fighting off these radical wart politicians but instead it embraced them and allowed them to become parasites on our system. Now the Political Wart Parasites are about to kill the host society that tolerated them.

I'm so sorry that we didn't know more, fight harder, and pay more attention to this threat. We owe our fighting men more than this. We've failed, but we are fighting back.

re: #183 Outrider

You're not getting attacked.

You might consider your own advice.

If Dana Millbanks wants to see some ugly racism he should hang out in some redneck Democrat hangouts around here and strike up some conversations with the loyal dems who can't hardly believe they have to vote for a ____. The democratic party is chock full of racists. I know the enemy well. Around here at least.

Racism thrives in ignorance. But if not for loyal ignorant voters, the Dems couldn't win anything.

Over enthisiastic young people are usually easy to control when they get temped to offer or take bait. The bigger problem is the person, usually a female in her late 40s to 50s, who is itching to start yelling at the crowd about "Baby killing" or "Fidel stole my Father's ..." or "They're really ... (socialists or Moslems or ...)." Even if they are correct they are wrong. You do not want to lose their energy, fact is they show up. You do not want them to scare away other supporters and you do not want them to antagonize the audience. Politics is retail trade folks. This is sales and you sell more with a smile.

Ace's rant should be taken to heart, but I hope that right wingers don't fall for a new anger/hatred narrative that the left is using to push valid investigations into Obama's past associations off center stage once again.

I mean, Obama campaign strategists are carefully linking the 'angry haters' stories to Ayers/Acorn, just at a time when thoughtful re-evaluations of Barry's Chicago alliances, political origins, cronies and judgements are emerging amongst voters - when they are beginning to take a second look. When even the FNS panel spends half of its air time expressing shock at the tiny percentage of conservative 'reactionaries', I wonder if we are not being taken for another ride.

re: #201 Wyatt Earp

I agree with you, but we must attack Obama on the issues and not have people shout out "Kill him!" That makes us all look like moonbats.

That's assuming it even happened. I say McCain did the right thing. He addressed it and moved on.

re: #204 Dianna

Well if it makes you feel better, he's been registered here since 2005. :)

re: #154 nightintheruts

ya know...after 4 or 5 years here only one other person has got it = )

would it involve the transposition of 2 letters?

Maybe we should call them Nuges' (as opposed to Mobys')? I still think the "Kill him" "Terrorist" thing was Mobys' though.

re: #195 Hard Right
It's actually interesting if you have the time to pile through it all.....
A new e-mail being circulated about Obama's tax proposals is almost entirely false.

The Facts and Falsehoods of the Presidential Candidates' Tax Plans, Part 1: Sen. Obama's Plan (this podcast is pretty damn good, runs about 30 minutes)

Also see....
Marginal Tax Rates Under Obama (50%), McCain (40%)

re: #165 HoosierHoops

I don't get it..Come on ..tell us!

Say it out-loud.

re: #214 DisgustingOratory

Maybe we should call them Nuges' (as opposed to Mobys')? I still think the "Kill him" "Terrorist" thing was Mobys' though.

Nuges. Hmmmm. I like it.

re: #191 jaunte

Dana Milbank on Palin:

I disagree with him that stating the facts is necessarily 'unhinged.'

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Interesting.

I thought he was just being sarcastic.

re: #199 Hard Right

I called him far left. He seems to fit the mold.

Perhaps. But the poster in question addressed me and I don't normally appreciate words being put in my mouth. I have enough trouble with just me talking. ;-)>

re: #213 Opilio

would it involve the transposition of 2 letters?

; )

re: #201 Wyatt Earp

I agree with you, but we must attack Obama on the issues and not have people shout out "Kill him!" That makes us all look like moonbats.

The only one to have heard those words is Dana Millbank of the Washington Post. At this point with the MSM love affair with Obama, I want to hear from a second source that those words were even uttered by any one.

re: #215 Killgore Trout

It's actually interesting if you have the time to pile through it all.....
A new e-mail being circulated about Obama's tax proposals is almost entirely false.

The Facts and Falsehoods of the Presidential Candidates' Tax Plans, Part 1: Sen. Obama's Plan (this podcast is pretty damn good, runs about 30 minutes)

Also see....
Marginal Tax Rates Under Obama (50%), McCain (40%)

I'll find the time. Thank you!

re: #201 Wyatt Earp

Bingo! Campaigns are won with an appropriate mix of negative, positive and issue ads. Ranting and raving 24/7 about Bill Ayers and ACORN is the guaranteed route to defeat. They should be on the plate, but not the only dish.

re: #187 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Rudolf Hess comes back as a Maxist, Negro-White halfbreed?

Payback really is a bitch.

ROFLMAO!

I woke The Kid laughing.

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little. Bill Clinton was in my little town today. Daughter is upstairs asleep. Safe.

Seriously, you guys don't remember the troop response to a stupid Kerry gaffe:

"I am dumb, I am deployed in Irak?" from the Kerry campaign? Do I have 2 look it up?

wow, what'd I miss?

re: #226 eddiespaghetti

Ah, that's right!

re: #226 eddiespaghetti

Seriously, you guys don't remember the troop response to a stupid Kerry gaffe:

"I am dumb, I am deployed in Irak?" from the Kerry campaign? Do I have 2 look it up?

I remember it now. Thanks for the "oh yeah" laugh you just gave me. Heh.

re: #226 eddiespaghetti

I remember. :D

re: #189 Killer Tomato

A month or so ago there was a 4 part piece on You Tube about it - I wouldn't know how to find it now though. Someone had posted the link on here.

Couldn't find that one, but a three second search found this "gem":
Here is Obama talking in front of a huge meeting of ACORN saying that he's going to allow community organizers such as their group to shape his agenda during his presidency. (You can skip into the video at about 2:00).
YIKES!

Has it been confirmed that the older lady worked for the McCain campaign or that they even asked her to speak? I have been to a McCain townhall and the people asking questions were not screened before speaking. Maybe she is just an older woman who is scared. We have access to many ways of getting information. I feel sorry for older people who are at home wondering what in the hell is going on in this country right now. So, I don't think saying the woman should have known better or that she was trying to cause trouble. She may just be an older person who really does think what she said ........ he could have answered her question better but unless she was from the campaign ..... I don't really fault her. It's not like she was some young person who has information at their keyboard.

re: #200 nightintheruts

wow...can't remember now. It was during the fake Bush military paper deal...

I was trying to come up with some name back then and trying to get my then 3 year old to sleep late one night. He jumped into my lap feet first...and I signed on for the first time in a fetal position.

*cringe*

I bet.

There are so many ways to attack Obama for his policy positions and basic ignorance of all things needed to be president.

Why must people (a minority, no doubt, but minorities always seems to be VERY vocal) focus on ridiculous rumors and hearsay and such?

It diminishes the validity of the arguments of the rest of us, who actually grasp the significance of the issues.

The Politics of Hate - Mark Steyn

oho - good stuff.

re: #200 nightintheruts

wow...can't remember now. It was during the fake Bush military paper deal...

I was trying to come up with some name back then and trying to get my then 3 year old to sleep late one night. He jumped into my lap feet first...and I signed on for the first time in a fetal position.

That should give it away for anyone who couldn't make the connection!

re: #209 lifeofthemind

So now we should just blame menopause?

I'm not there, yet, but I guess I could get behind that. Quitting smoking and taking steroids are making me obsessively clean house. I can't imagine what I'd be like going through menopause.

re: #194 hermeneutics

So ... I'm looking at the cover of Golf magazine which has a big pic of Serbio Garcia, club perfectly positioned, body torqued.

The article that accompanies this pic is entitled: "My Secrets for Pure Contact: Six Keys to Knock It Stiff From Any Lie."

Secret language?

Not if you speak golf.

ciaospirit exclusive. About 50 supporters met with Joe Lieberman earlier today for a cup o' joe at a place called Cup O' Joe in Bexley, OH (suburb of Columbus). On behalf of all lizards everywhere, I let Senator Lieberman know the frustration of many of us, not all of us, but many of us have that John McCain won't take off the gloves and fight. A lot of those at the coffee house were expressing the same sentiment. So, lizards and other frustrated McCain supporters, here's what Senator Lieberman had to say about it.

re: #215 Killgore Trout

It's actually interesting if you have the time to pile through it all.....
A new e-mail being circulated about Obama's tax proposals is almost entirely false.

The Facts and Falsehoods of the Presidential Candidates' Tax Plans, Part 1: Sen. Obama's Plan (this podcast is pretty damn good, runs about 30 minutes)

Also see....
Marginal Tax Rates Under Obama (50%), McCain (40%)

Obama have been with taxes all over the map. From raising capital gains taxes to 28% to lowing taxes on 95% of Americans, including 40% who do not pay any federal taxes.
He even explained that we need to raise taxes not to increase government revenue, but to ensure "fairness".

So whatever is his published "plan" does not matter. If we look at his record, limited as it is, the only sure thing is that his ultimate goal is income redistribution.

re: #226 eddiespaghettiI got the reference when you said "Irak."
Help us Jon Carry. We r stuck hear in Irak !
Welcome back and thank you for your service.

Best Add Yet linking Acorn to Obama

ACORN + 0 = OBAMA

re: #235 FrogMarch

The Politics of Hate - Mark Steyn

oho - good stuff.

That's good.

re: #212 gop_patriot

I know; I looked.

But...lately, how many long-registered, but not familiar, folks have we seen, who've been (how shall I put this delicately) not what they claimed to be?

re: #8 Mike McDaniel

The question is, how many of the nut-cases are plants?

Maybe a couple but there are a lot of long time visitors to several sites I frequent who've lost their minds over Obama's nomination.

re: #221 seekeroftruth

The only one to have heard those words is Dana Millbank of the Washington Post. At this point with the MSM love affair with Obama, I want to hear from a second source that those words were even uttered by any one.

I bet he wouldn't take a lie detector test.

re: #226 eddiespaghetti

Here ya go, you can even get a t-shirt:

[Link: www.wiztees.com...]

re: #207 Dianna

You're not getting attacked.

You might consider your own advice.

Sorry. I obviously misunderstood from the wording of your post addressed to me correcting statements I had not made.

re: #91 Outrider

One more time: Dana Milbank is a man.

He is not "far-left". He is not an idiot. He is not, however, a Republican.

re: #237 Dianna

So now we should just blame menopause?

I'm not there, yet, but I guess I could get behind that. Quitting smoking and taking steroids are making me obsessively clean house. I can't imagine what I'd be like going through menopause.

They're not hot-flashes. They're power-surges.

Has anyone heard or seen posted on the net if McCain plans on buying 30 minutes of national tv airtime, preferable after BHO runs his? Would be interesting to see ABC and CBS would even allow him that option and if so, at the same rate granted BHO.

re: #241 mich-again

I had that picture as my screen saver for months.

Obama is the Etch a Sketch candidate.

He thinks his past is wiped clean just because he turned himself upside down and shook off his old alliances.

re: #235 FrogMarch

The Politics of Hate - Mark Steyn

oho - good stuff.

yup - was just about to post it myself. Everyone go have a good chuckle!

The people who are doing this are not "plants". What a ridiculous assertion. I remember a few years ago when this site had a lot of "Deport/Kill all Muslims" from regulars and I routinely got into heated arguments with those people, who in turn accused me of being a secret Muslim. I have been an LGF reader for six years and I was here when registration was open to all, and yet I was avalanched with angry comments by fellow LGFers for advocating that not all Muslims should be killed/deported. Since then and for some time now, Charles has mercifully been deleting such hateful and backwards comments because it taints us all with an ugly brush.

re: #226 eddiespaghetti

It was "halp us, John Cary", and yes, we remember.

re: #205 finallyhere

Are you sure that all this crazies were not trolls sent by Obama campaign?

No, they're not.

Was that 100 year old woman who called Obama an Arab a Kos Kid in a costume?

Quite frankly, when people here blame all this shit on "mobys" it's very similar to 9/11 truthers who can't admit the truth.

Ace and Charles are raising these moby allegations. In fact, Ace is admitting that there's a small minority on our side how are idiots.

I used to comment here a lot more, but I stopped after Charles got in minor trouble for the thread on the St. Louis mosque under construction and (several) people here were saying things like, Looks like something to blow up.

Immediately, a lot of commentors here were suspecting mobys. But soon it was learned the 3 inflamatory commentors were regular LGFers and not KosKids. But that didn't stop half the commentors here from using the moby excuse.

Give up this moby conspiracy crap. We have some loons on our side and a lot of them post here. Charles probably knows who they are and if I were him I'd ban him before they get they get the FBI or a lawyers at my door.

re: #1 JammieWearingFool

He's been getting troll-infested.

Uh- more than just Ace.

re: #175 Killer Tomato

The man is a racist, Marxist, who's affiliated with known terrorists, is backed by the dirtiest political machine and voter fraud group in the country and is a wholly owned subsidiary of George Soros.
Everything else is a distraction!
AUGH!
(this is why I don't post much - most days I get here, read two things and feel like my head's going to explode)

I agree. People are making a mistake fretting about it and talking about it so much. Forget about it. Maybe now that the word is out the idiots will wise up ... but remember, they're idiots. And even if all McCain supporters behave themselves, there will probably be Obama plants to provide MSM fodder anyway.

See, we are making the mistake they WANT us to make ... engaging in self-criticism, introspection, and crap like that, right in the heat of the battle. We can't AFFORD this, people! The media will find ways to make us and McCain/Palin look bad no matter WHAT we do! Do not let them distract you, do not let them get you off message, do not let them make you back off the attack!

During the Israel/Hiz'b'allah war, we kept BEGGING Israel to ignore the MSM coverage and stay on the attack until Hiz'b'allah was wiped out ... instead Israel caved when the MSM broadcast enough stories about the "horrible widespread destruction" in Lebanon.

We must not repeat their mistake. We can NEVER, collectively, be perfect, and if we insist on absolutely perfect behavior from every single McCain supporter at all times before we will go all out for victory, then we are holding ourselves to an impossibly high standard and placing ourselves at an impossible disadvantage.

re: #154 nightintheruts

ya know...after 4 or 5 years here only one other person has got it = )

Me too, me too! I got it a while back, just didn't say anthing.

re: #239 ciaospirit

Awesome job there! Thanks.

Dianna - how you holding together this Sunday evening?

re: #239 ciaospirit

ciaospirit exclusive. About 50 supporters met with Joe Lieberman earlier today for a cup o' joe at a place called Cup O' Joe in Bexley, OH (suburb of Columbus). On behalf of all lizards everywhere, I let Senator Lieberman know the frustration of many of us, not all of us, but many of us have that John McCain won't take off the gloves and fight. A lot of those at the coffee house were expressing the same sentiment. So, lizards and other frustrated McCain supporters, here's what Senator Lieberman had to say about it.

Sen. Lieberman didn't really answer your question about why Sen. McCain isn't fighting hard.

re: #256 Canadian Guy

No, they're not.

Was that 100 year old woman who called Obama an Arab a Kos Kid in a costume?

Quite frankly, when people here blame all this shit on "mobys" it's very similar to 9/11 truthers who can't admit the truth.

Ace and Charles are raising these moby allegations. In fact, Ace is admitting that there's a small minority on our side how are idiots.

I used to comment here a lot more, but I stopped after Charles got in minor trouble for the thread on the St. Louis mosque under construction and (several) people here were saying things like, Looks like something to blow up.

Immediately, a lot of commentors here were suspecting mobys. But soon it was learned the 3 inflamatory commentors were regular LGFers and not KosKids. But that didn't stop half the commentors here from using the moby excuse.

Give up this moby conspiracy crap. We have some loons on our side and a lot of them post here. Charles probably knows who they are and if I were him I'd ban him before they get they get the FBI or a lawyers at my door.

Actually, many of us have said it may not be a moby. If you feel that way maybe it is time for you to move on.