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Open | Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 10:20:42 pm PDT

The best mirror is an old friend.

George Herbert

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1 little boomer  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:22:09pm

At Last!

2 Outrider  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:22:15pm

This was needed!

3 lummox  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:22:45pm

finally I can chill.

4 little boomer  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:22:49pm

My second first-but we don't talk about that kind of thing here....

5 Globular Cluster  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:23:00pm

Oh Brother. Way to go John.

McCain just stated that he'll "whip" Obama in the next debate. I hate this politically correct crap where you have to check every word for proper nuance and references. It makes it impossible to speak. Nobody can maintain perfect political correctness 100% of time.

Still, McCain needs stop torpedoing his own campaign. Sometimes I get the feeling that McCain is a tone-deaf geek running for the Presidency of another planet. He has failed, despite repeated warnings from his most ardent supporters, to demolish the Democrat lies that the economic crisis is the fault of Republicans. The window is closing, if it hasn't already closed, to do that. Now this.

Folks, I know we are all worried, but the stakes are higher than just a mere Democrat gaining office. We are looking at sea-change, a crossing of the Rubicon, in which the good people of Middle America lose their political voice, perhaps permanently. Democrats have bamboozled minorities with free money and populist promises that stick, and with the election of a black candidate, opposed not for his race, but for his Lefitsm, will nevertheless brand all who oppose his election as racist. The Republican party is the party of Lincoln, and Blacks voted overwhelmingly Republican until FDR. Today, the future of the Republican party itself is in doubt.

We are entering an era where the Multicural Left, distinctly different from the centrist liberalism of Clinton, will now prevail, and the cultural ramifications -- moral relativism, political correctness, ethnic division, class warfare, real statism, real pacifism, will take on a reality hitherto unheard-of. With the election of Obama, we are entering an era where the Left flirts with the quintessential Charismatic Leader that has led many a nation to ruin, even as it plants the label of fascism on middle America.. Today, Cockie Roberts said with unrestrained glee, "We are all socialists now." Really? Democrats precipitate an economic debacle by blocking all regulation of Fannie, then hang the albatross on the Republicans (who make no effort to remove it), and then jeer at Republicans for being pro-regulation hypocrites. This will be par for the course during the next eight, twenty, or more years.

I hope that Obama governs as a centrist, but I doubt he will. He is the candidate that the Left has for decades been praying for. With his election the dawn of radical shift in America begins.

Perhaps this all just gloomy talk, and perhaps, in the next 24 days, voters will get a clue and put McCain in office.

6 nigella  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:23:00pm

Good night all. Sleep tight!

7 Outrider  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:23:04pm

'peers like everyone is still beating that dead thread to a frazzle? ;-)>

8 Karridine  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:23:09pm

An old friend who'll tell you to you straight!

9 Hard Right  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:24:02pm

Wabbit season!

10 little boomer  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:24:10pm

re: #5 Globular Cluster

Oh Brother. Way to go John.

McCain just stated that he'll "whip" Obama in the next debate. I hate this politically correct crap where you have to check every word for proper nuance and references. It makes it impossible to speak. Nobody can maintain perfect political correctness 100% of time.

Still, McCain needs stop torpedoing his own campaign. Sometimes I get the feeling that McCain is a tone-deaf geek running for the Presidency of another planet. He has failed, despite repeated warnings from his most ardent supporters, to demolish the Democrat lies that the economic crisis is the fault of Republicans. The window is closing, if it hasn't already closed, to do that. Now this.

Folks, I know we are all worried, but the stakes are higher than just a mere Democrat gaining office. We are looking at sea-change, a crossing of the Rubicon, in which the good people of Middle America lose their political voice, perhaps permanently. Democrats have bamboozled minorities with free money and populist promises that stick, and with the election of a black candidate, opposed not for his race, but for his Lefitsm, will nevertheless brand all who oppose his election as racist. The Republican party is the party of Lincoln, and Blacks voted overwhelmingly Republican until FDR. Today, the future of the Republican party itself is in doubt.

We are entering an era where the Multicural Left, distinctly different from the centrist liberalism of Clinton, will now prevail, and the cultural ramifications -- moral relativism, political correctness, ethnic division, class warfare, real statism, real pacifism, will take on a reality hitherto unheard-of. With the election of Obama, we are entering an era where the Left flirts with the quintessential Charismatic Leader that has led many a nation to ruin, even as it plants the label of fascism on middle America.. Today, Cockie Roberts said with unrestrained glee, "We are all socialists now." Really? Democrats precipitate an economic debacle by blocking all regulation of Fannie, then hang the albatross on the Republicans (who make no effort to remove it), and then jeer at Republicans for being pro-regulation hypocrites. This will be par for the course during the next eight, twenty, or more years.

I hope that Obama governs as a centrist, but I doubt he will. He is the candidate that the Left has for decades been praying for. With his election the dawn of radical shift in America begins.

Perhaps this all just gloomy talk, and perhaps, in the next 24 days, voters will get a clue and put McCain in office.

Wow-no disrespect intended-but did you write all that since this thread opened?

11 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:24:22pm

TRIVIA question

Which of the Romanov family (Czar Nicolas) members bodies have never been found? There are 2.

12 Irene NYC  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:24:49pm

re: #10 little boomer

Wow-no disrespect intended-but did you write all that since this thread opened?

I was just thinking the same thing.
;)

13 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:25:04pm

Want to break that mirror? Put Bjork in front of it.

14 Irene NYC  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:25:14pm

re: #11 rawmuse

TRIVIA question

Which of the Romanov family (Czar Nicolas) members bodies have never been found? There are 2.

Well, Anastasia must've been one, right?

15 Outrider  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:25:17pm

re: #8 Karridine

You mentioned you had done your tour of duty in Korea. What was your MOS if you don't mind my asking? I was an 05H off and on.

16 Cognito  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:25:36pm

The best mirror is an old friend.

Except, perhaps, a two-way mirror. That sorta rocks.

17 Karridine  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:25:51pm

re: #10 little boomer

HOT fingers, Boomer!

:D

18 little boomer  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:25:54pm

re: #12 Irene NYC

I was just thinking the same thing.
;)

It took me 2 minutes to come up with "At last."

19 Fearless Fred  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:25:59pm

re: #8 Karridine

Karridine -- hi

Where's Miguel? ... alive? Do you know?

FF

20 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:26:16pm

re: #11 rawmuse

TRIVIA question

Which of the Romanov family (Czar Nicolas) members bodies have never been found? There are 2.

Alexei? The son?

21 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:26:19pm

re: #14 Irene NYC

Yes. Must have both to be the WINNAH!

22 Hard Right  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:26:39pm

Bjork sounds like slang for sex.

I Bjorked her brains out.

23 BlueCanuck  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:26:53pm

re: #9 Hard Right

Wabbit season!

Duck season. :)

24 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:27:10pm

re: #22 Hard Right

Bjork sounds like slang for sex.

I Bjorked her brains out.

have you seen her? She's NEVER been Bjorked.

25 gmsc  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:27:13pm

With all the turmoil in the market today and the collapse of Lehman Bros and acquisition of Merrill Lynch by Bank of America many more mergers and takeovers can be expected:

1.) Hale Business Systems, Mary Kay Cosmetics, Fuller Brush, and W R. Grace Co. Will merge and become: Hale, Mary, Fuller, Grace.

2.) Polygram Records, Warner Bros., and Zesta Crackers join forces and become: Poly, Warner Cracker.

3.) 3M will merge with Goodyear and become: MMMGood.

4. Zippo Manufacturing, Audi Motors, Dofasco, and Dakota Mining will merge and become: ZipAudiDoDa .

5. FedEx is expected to join its competitor, UPS, and become: FedUP.

6. Fairchild Electronics and Honeywell Computers will become: Fairwell Honeychild.

7. Grey Poupon and Docker Pants are expected to become: PouponPants.

8. Knotts Berry Farm and the National Organization of Women will become: Knott NOW!

And finally...

9. Victoria 's Secret and Smith &Wesson will merge under the new name: TittyTittyBangBang

26 Cognito  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:27:39pm

re: #21 rawmuse

Yes. Must have both to be the WINNAH!

Anastasia and... Alexei.

27 Outrider  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:27:47pm

re: #22 Hard Right

Bjork sounds like slang for sex.

I Bjorked her brains out.

Or the Swedish chef on the Muppets

28 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:28:10pm

OK tonight's WINNAHs will be Wyatt and Irene.
Answers are Anastasia and Alexei.

29 Karridine  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:28:12pm

re: #15 Outrider

98G and 98C... Voice Intercept and Traffic Analyst... life atop tall mountains on the Korean DMZ, hand-picked to head up the follow-up team in the wake of USS Pueblo...

Oh, and taught Korean language at the US DLI, Monterey, CA... but NOT when Janis was there, ;)

30 nigella  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:28:23pm

Globularcluster, no disrespect, but I thought it was great that McCain said he was going to"whip" Obama's "you know what." I say way to go John. Screw political correctness!

31 Irene NYC  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:28:31pm

re: #25 gmsc

THAT was just brill. And I needed to laugh something awful

Thanks.

32 Hard Right  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:28:32pm

re: #23 BlueCanuck

Duck season. :)

Wabbit Season!

re: #24 Wyatt Earp

have you seen her? She's NEVER been Bjorked.

She was attractive years ago. Not anymore tho. Ick.

33 Cap'n DOC  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:28:46pm

re: #10 little boomer

Saved it up and dropped it in one globular.

34 Cognito  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:28:47pm

re: #28 rawmuse

OK tonight's WINNAHs will be Wyatt and Irene.
Answers are Anastasia and Alexei.

I call shenanigans. "Both to the the winnah," someone said!

35 Karridine  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:28:51pm

re: #19 Fearless Fred

Ent seenim in months... cannot update you, Fred

36 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:28:53pm

But Cognito has the right to Challenge...

37 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:29:14pm

re: #28 rawmuse

OK tonight's WINNAHs will be Wyatt and Irene.
Answers are Anastasia and Alexei.

Whoo hoo! Great History Channel production - Russia: Land of the Tsars. I watch it every time they run it, and feel terribly after hearing about the demise of the Romanovs.

38 gmsc  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:29:16pm

Interesting new political chant I heard earlier today: "McCain, NOT Hussein!"

39 Globular Cluster  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:29:17pm

re: #10 little boomer

No, I typed it in the previous thread's text box, copied it (good habit), clicked new comments, saw that there was new thread, then posted it here. Thank you for asking.

40 BlueCanuck  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:29:43pm

re: #25 gmsc

With all the turmoil in the market today and the collapse of Lehman Bros and acquisition of Merrill Lynch by Bank of America many more mergers and takeovers can be expected:
[snip]
9. Victoria 's Secret and Smith &Wesson will merge under the new name: TittyTittyBangBang

That ones my favourite. :)

41 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:29:47pm

re: #11 rawmuse

TRIVIA question

Which of the Romanov family (Czar Nicolas) members bodies have never been found? There are 2.

Alexy and Anastasia? or one of the other sisters....heh.

42 Irene NYC  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:29:57pm

re: #28 rawmuse

OK tonight's WINNAHs will be Wyatt and Irene.
Answers are Anastasia and Alexei.

So, do we like get a glass of champagne or somethin'?

43 Outrider  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:29:58pm

re: #29 Karridine

98G and 98C... Voice Intercept and Traffic Analyst... life atop tall mountains on the Korean DMZ, hand-picked to head up the follow-up team in the wake of USS Pueblo...

Oh, and taught Korean language at the US DLI, Monterey, CA... but NOT when Janis was there, ;)

Excellent! Pleased to know that! I don't meet many fellow old time ASAers. Small crowd overall ;-)>

44 gmsc  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:30:00pm

re: #31 Irene NYC

THAT was just brill. And I needed to laugh something awful

Thanks.

You're welcome. Always glad to bring one more smile in the world.

45 pbird  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:30:19pm

re: #24 Wyatt Earp

have you seen her? She's NEVER been Bjorked.

You made me choke on my apple!

46 Cognito  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:30:20pm

re: #36 rawmuse

But Cognito has the right to Challenge...

Like Alexei, I will wait in anonymous silence for my chance to reascend the throne.

For centuries, if need be.

47 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:30:43pm

re: #42 Irene NYC

A Laurel and Hardy handshake to you both!

48 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:30:47pm

re: #45 pbird

You made me choke on my apple!

Sorry about that.

49 little boomer  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:30:57pm

re: #39 Globular Cluster

No, I typed it in the previous thread's text box, copied it (good habit), clicked new comments, saw that there was new thread, then posted it here. Thank you for asking.

Good thinking-I'm going to copy my "At last!" (see comment No. 1) for future reference.

50 razorbacker  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:32:04pm

re: #29 Karridine

98G and 98C... Voice Intercept and Traffic Analyst... life atop tall mountains on the Korean DMZ, hand-picked to head up the follow-up team in the wake of USS Pueblo...

Oh, and taught Korean language at the US DLI, Monterey, CA... but NOT when Janis was there, ;)

No kidding? When? My daughter was learning Korean there during the very early '90s.

51 ACJohn  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:32:42pm

Good trivia question to win a few drinks:

Who was Gerald Ford's VP?

52 Irene NYC  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:32:55pm

re: #47 rawmuse

A Laurel and Hardy handshake to you both!

Thanks, rawmuse.
;)
/although I would've really like a glass of bubbly. Next time, huh?

53 pbird  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:33:16pm

re: #48 Wyatt Earp

Sorry about that.

No it was great. I rarely lol.

54 zombie  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:33:16pm

Damn can anyone see Angel Island right now? What an incredible scene! Never seen anything like it in my life.

55 coquimbojoe  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:33:24pm

Good evening all, where are all the new people posting? Or is everybody just creating more sock puppets?

56 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:33:27pm

re: #32 Hard Right

She was attractive years ago. Not anymore tho. Ick.

Sorry, but when she wore that swan to one of the award shows all I could think was "YIKES! SHE'S WEARING A SWAN!"

Worst fashion statement ever, and her music sucks as well.

/if you can call it music.

57 little boomer  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:33:44pm

re: #51 ACJohn

Good trivia question to win a few drinks:

Who was Gerald Ford's VP?

Nelson Rockerfeller.

58 ACJohn  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:34:09pm

re: #57 little boomer

Nelson Rockerfeller.

Bingo!

59 coquimbojoe  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:34:13pm

re: #54 zombie

Damn can anyone see Angel Island right now? What an incredible scene! Never seen anything like it in my life.

Whats going on?

60 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:34:18pm

re: #52 Irene NYC

Thanks, rawmuse.
;)
/although I would've really like a glass of bubbly. Next time, huh?

If I get back to NYC I shall not fail to look you up. Fair warning. :)
And, yes, I go there a couple times per year.

61 jorline  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:34:38pm

Holy crap...just noticed I crossed the 4000 post mark...time to hit the sack.

See y'all in the morning.

62 BlueCanuck  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:34:43pm

re: #32 Hard Right

Duck season!

63 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:34:47pm

re: #56 Intrepid

Sorry, but when she wore that swan to one of the award shows all I could think was "YIKES! SHE'S WEARING A SWAN!"

Worst fashion statement ever, and her music sucks as well.

/if you can call it music.

Give her a break, she was there to sing "Swanee" River. :)

64 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:34:51pm

re: #51 ACJohn

Good trivia question to win a few drinks:

Who was Gerald Ford's VP?

Rockefeller.

65 Outrider  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:34:53pm

Would Charles accept this as post #1 أولى داخل I wonder? Or Во первых внутри? Zuerst innen ?

66 Irene NYC  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:34:56pm

re: #60 rawmuse

If I get back to NYC I shall not fail to look you up. Fair warning. :)
And, yes, I go there a couple times per year.

I'll hold you to it, too.
;)

67 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:35:18pm

re: #11 rawmuse

TRIVIA question

Which of the Romanov family (Czar Nicolas) members bodies have never been found? There are 2.

The missing ones.

68 Racer X  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:35:26pm

re: #5 Globular Cluster

No offense but - stow that shit.

See Palandine's post from the previous thread:

re: #939 Palandine

Obama OUGHT to be up 20 points: bad economy (which he never misses a chance to talk down), unpopular lame duck president from other party, an opponent that most Republicans didn't want in the first place, the media in the tank for him, and he's good looking and makes a good teleprompter speech. He should be DESTROYING McCain.

But he's not. He's within the margin of error, and given how skewed the polls are, it can be assumed McCain is actually ahead. The dems and the media chose...poorly...and are heading for epic fail.


The polls showing Mac losing big are utter bullshit.

Hell, AOL's straw poll has McCain up big!

69 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:35:50pm

re: #57 little boomer

Nelson Rockerfeller.

No fair! You beat me only because you posted before I did.

70 zombie  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:35:53pm

re: #59 coquimbojoe

Whats going on?

The entire thing is on fire!

71 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:35:53pm

re: #62 BlueCanuck

Duck season!

The greatest Looney Tunes cartoon . . . EVER!

72 Occasional Reader  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:36:17pm

re: #25 gmsc

With all the turmoil in the market today and the collapse of Lehman Bros and acquisition of Merrill Lynch by Bank of America many more mergers and takeovers can be expected:

1.) Hale Business Systems, Mary Kay Cosmetics, Fuller Brush, and W R. Grace Co. Will merge and become: Hale, Mary, Fuller, Grace.

2.) Polygram Records, Warner Bros., and Zesta Crackers join forces and become: Poly, Warner Cracker.

3.) 3M will merge with Goodyear and become: MMMGood.

4. Zippo Manufacturing, Audi Motors, Dofasco, and Dakota Mining will merge and become: ZipAudiDoDa .

5. FedEx is expected to join its competitor, UPS, and become: FedUP.

6. Fairchild Electronics and Honeywell Computers will become: Fairwell Honeychild.

7. Grey Poupon and Docker Pants are expected to become: PouponPants.

8. Knotts Berry Farm and the National Organization of Women will become: Knott NOW!

And finally...

9. Victoria 's Secret and Smith &Wesson will merge under the new name: TittyTittyBangBang

Also:

10. Netscape and Yahoo will merge and relocate their HQ to Israel. The new entity will be called, Netandyahoo.

11. "TCBY (The Country's Best Yogurt)" and "I Can't Believe It's Yogurt!" will merge. The new company will be called, "I Can't Believe It's The Country's Best Yogurt!".

73 Killer Tomato  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:36:20pm

re: #38 gmsc

Interesting new political chant I heard earlier today: "McCain, NOT Hussein!"

Heard on the radio about a yard sign someone had seen that said 'use your brain, vote McCain'

74 Oldasdirt  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:36:21pm

The best mirror is an old friend.Well thats just great.All my old friends are dead.Now I cant go look in the damn mirror anymore.

75 Irene NYC  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:36:22pm

re: #70 zombie

The entire thing is on fire!

What? You're kidding!

76 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:37:13pm

re: #63 Wyatt Earp

Give her a break, she was there to sing "Swanee" River. :)

Heh. Don't see how she could have sung anything, with the neck of that beast choking her.

I think it's on Blackwell's list of 10 worst dresses EVER.

77 little boomer  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:37:32pm

re: #69 MandyManners

No fair! You beat me only because you posted before I did.


Don't ask me what I had for lunch yesterday though.

78 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:37:48pm

As a Canadian conservative I have a reason other than ideological sympathy to be rooting for McCain, namely that he's a free trader. Obama smells like a protectionist to me.

79 Cognito  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:37:57pm

re: #70 zombie

The entire thing is on fire!

The whole park?

80 coquimbojoe  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:37:58pm

re: #70 zombie

The entire thing is on fire!

The flat part or the round part? Or the 'whole thing'?

81 pat  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:38:06pm

McCain apparently thinks that senility is an elective attribute. It is rather sad actually. He still tries to kiss the left's ass as they deflate his tires.

82 OldDog  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:38:09pm

re #15 Outrider

I was the 33F writing NTF on your 2404 when you needed a break from the ditty-bops.

/snark

83 Bobibutu  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:38:22pm

re: #75 Irene NYC

What? You're kidding!

[Link: www.sfgate.com...]

84 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:38:41pm

re: #66 Irene NYC

I'll hold you to it, too.
;)

OK. I miss NYC terribly. I always have such fun there. Stay up all night like a teenager, spend too much money. It's great.

85 Outrider  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:38:52pm

re: #78 Moe Katz

As a Canadian conservative I have a reason other than ideological sympathy to be rooting for McCain, namely that he's a free trader. Obama smells like a protectionist to me.

Is that what that peculiar odor is? I was wondering.

86 gmsc  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:39:13pm

re: #72 Occasional Reader

Also:

10. Netscape and Yahoo will merge and relocate their HQ to Israel. The new entity will be called, Netandyahoo.

11. "TCBY (The Country's Best Yogurt)" and "I Can't Believe It's Yogurt!" will merge. The new company will be called, "I Can't Believe It's The Country's Best Yogurt!".

I love it!

87 zombie  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:39:16pm

re: #75 Irene NYC

What? You're kidding!

No! I can see the whole thing from where I am now sitting. Huge fireballs leaping into the sky -- like mushroom clouds.

The smoke is orange from the flames. Floating toward San Francisco. (Which is safe -- it's across the Bay.)

88 Occasional Reader  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:39:27pm

re: #57 little boomer

Nelson Rockerfeller.

Rockefeller.

"Rockerfeller" is the glam rock alter ego.

89 suboptimal  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:39:29pm

re: #80 coquimbojoe

The flat part or the round part? Or the 'whole thing'?

Looks like about 10 acres. More here.

90 Bobibutu  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:39:33pm

re: #83 Bobibutu

[Link: www.sfgate.com...]

Firefighters from around Marin County and San Francisco are fighting a fire on the top of Angel Island.

"It is a very big fire," said U.S. Coast Guard Lt. Amy Marrs.

She said the wind appears to be driving the fire on the island, which at 740 acres is the largest island in San Francisco Bay.

The fire, which was reported around 9 p.m. was about 200 feet by 200 feet at 9:30 p.m., according to a dispatcher at the Mill Valley Police Department who was fielding calls.

"It is just massive. You can see the orange flames from the bridge," Mark Crawford, an Orinda resident, said after driving across the Bay Bridge and seeing the fire.

The U.S. Coast Guard was transporting fire personnel out to the island, a dispatcher said.

The island's highest point is Mount Livermore at 781 feet high. The fire was burning on the east side of the island, near the reservoir.

91 realwest  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:39:33pm

Well hell, I shoulda known that there was a new thread up when I started catching up on the old one!
LOL!
Anyway, all y'all it's been grand but I gotta get some sleep! I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!


Goodnight, all.

92 zombie  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:39:43pm

re: #79 Cognito

The whole park?

It's say well over 50% of the island is aflame right now.

93 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:40:12pm

re: #85 Outrider

Is that what that peculiar odor is? I was wondering.

Yes, the putrid smell of union-driven trade barriers...

94 zombie  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:40:19pm

re: #80 coquimbojoe

The flat part or the round part? Or the 'whole thing'?

Looks like the entire top of the island, and most of the southern and western sides.

95 Racer X  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:40:21pm

re: #83 Bobibutu

[Link: www.sfgate.com...]

Wow!

Check the comments for links with pictures!

96 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:41:18pm

re: #87 zombie

Angel Island is one of my fave biking places. This is terrible. The state just removed a bunch of eucalyptus trees from it, because they are so volatile.

97 Outrider  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:41:24pm

re: #82 OldDog

re #15 Outrider

I was the 33F writing NTF on your 2404 when you needed a break from the ditty-bops.

/snark

Ahhh. Ain't it funny how them things always managed to be alright when the mech showed up and promptly went wonky when they left. Almost seemed like a mech would have to sneak around the coner and surprise the equipment to catch it not working right. ;-)>

Glad to meet another ASAer!

98 Occasional Reader  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:42:25pm

How do you set an entire ISLAND on fire?!

99 Oldasdirt  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:42:29pm

re: #91 realwest

Nite RW.

100 Cognito  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:42:31pm

re: #95 Racer X

Wow!

Check the comments for links with pictures!

Yikes.

101 realwest  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:42:36pm

Uh, hold on a sec, what is Angel Island ? Is it a residential place?

102 gmsc  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:42:45pm

re: #87 zombie

No! I can see the whole thing from where I am now sitting. Huge fireballs leaping into the sky -- like mushroom clouds.

The smoke is orange from the flames. Floating toward San Francisco. (Which is safe -- it's across the Bay.)

It's all over the news already. Yikes!

There are some amazing shots of the Angel Island Fire here.

103 zombie  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:42:48pm
104 Cognito  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:42:53pm

Look at the city in the foreground for a sense of scale...

105 Bobibutu  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:42:55pm

re: #95 Racer X

Wow!

Check the comments for links with pictures!

[Link: sfist.com...]

awesome pics.

106 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:42:58pm
107 Racer X  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:43:20pm

re: #100 Cognito

Yikes.

Indeed.

Fire season is upon us here in California.

108 coquimbojoe  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:43:34pm

re: #94 zombie

Looks like the entire top of the island, and most of the southern and western sides.

I was thinking Treasure Island.....

109 Scion9  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:43:37pm

re: #68 Racer X


The polls showing Mac losing big are utter bullshit.

Yeah. The polls showing Obama way up don't pan out mathmatically. He hasn't gained more support from his base; it has been relatively stead (actually gone down very slightly.) McCain's base hasn't really budged, and neither have independents.

These poll swings are artificial. For Obama to climb like he had been, his support had to come from somewhere, but he didn't gain in any areas.

110 gmsc  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:43:41pm

re: #92 zombie

It's say well over 50% of the island is aflame right now.

The reports say it's currently 25 acres burning there.

111 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:43:59pm

re: #101 realwest

It is a park. There is an Immigrant Monument there. It was like Ellis Island, only for the Chinese.

112 Irene NYC  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:44:11pm

re: #87 zombie

No! I can see the whole thing from where I am now sitting. Huge fireballs leaping into the sky -- like mushroom clouds.

The smoke is orange from the flames. Floating toward San Francisco. (Which is safe -- it's across the Bay.)

Anybody have any idea where it started on the island? 30 foot flames, this is serious.

113 Oldasdirt  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:44:44pm

re: #98 Occasional Reader

How do you set an entire ISLAND on fire?!

Tell them (The One) is now president?

114 realwest  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:44:50pm

re: #111 rawmuse
Ah, thank rawmuse - anyone still living there?!

115 slokat  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:45:10pm

re: #83 Bobibutu

[Link: www.sfgate.com...]

Angel Island

116 Cognito  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:45:25pm

re: #114 realwest

Ah, thank rawmuse - anyone still living there?!

There may still be an old military installation, I think?

May have closed long ago, though.

117 OldDog  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:45:31pm

Outrider

Did my old heart good to see the old Mass Power and Light Patch up in your avatar.

Fill in the blank Lightning Fast Chicken ______

118 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:45:37pm

re: #114 realwest

Ah, thank rawmuse - anyone still living there?!

Probably some Park Rangers, maybe not even those. It is quite a lovely place. I have kayaked there many times.

119 Racer X  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:45:45pm
120 Outrider  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:46:02pm

re: #106 MandyManners

Bjork's dress.

How many poor polyesters had to needlessly die to make that gown (sigh)
/peta pet

121 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:46:13pm

How did it start?

122 Bobibutu  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:46:22pm

re: #108 coquimbojoe

I was thinking Treasure Island.....

TI dosen't have the brush developed ... Angel is mostly wild.

123 Globular Cluster  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:46:40pm

re: #81 pat

McCain apparently thinks that senility is an elective attribute. It is rather sad actually. He still tries to kiss the left's ass as they deflate his tires.

re: #68 Racer X

No offense but - stow that shit.

See Palandine's post from the previous thread:

The polls showing Mac losing big are utter bullshit.

Hell, AOL's straw poll has McCain up big!

Yeah, I'm trying to comfort myself with that thought, that the polls are bullshit. They were bullshit in 2004 and 2000. Also, Obama has $400M clams and Mac is still within striking distance. 24 days are an eternity.

But I've been gloomy all day. I just wish Mac would understand the gravity of this election and expose the Dems on the economy and Obama's associates more. This bipartisan stuff is bullshit. That era is long gone, sadly, and it doesn't help that there is one easily avoided tactical fuck-up after another.

124 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:46:58pm

re: #120 Outrider

How many poor polyesters had to needlessly die to make that gown (sigh)
/peta pet

They willingly gave up their lives.

125 gmsc  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:47:00pm
126 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:47:56pm

re: #123 Globular Cluster


((((((Globular Cluster))))))

127 stuiec  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:48:05pm

re: #24 Wyatt Earp

have you seen her? She's NEVER been Bjorked.

But at this moment, she could probably buy her homeland of Iceland outright, for cash.

128 zombie  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:48:25pm

Looks like the real apex of the inferno is now past. For a while there it was like a firestorm. Now it's flattened out and is spreading around the rest of the island.

129 Racer X  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:48:26pm

re: #109 Scion9

These poll swings are artificial. For Obama to climb like he had been, his support had to come from somewhere, but he didn't gain in any areas.


The polls showing Obama way up are a direct attempt by the media (ahem) to put this in the bag for Obama.

That shit aint gonna work.

130 realwest  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:48:37pm

re: #118 rawmuse
Well I'm glad no one was (apparently) killed or injured
but it's a shame for such a pretty place to burn to the ground like that.

Well anyway, I really DO have to go to bed, so goodnight all y'all - hope I get the chance to see you all down the road.
Goodnight all.

131 Irene NYC  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:48:39pm

Some campers were there. And the fire started by the camp site.

132 Outrider  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:49:05pm

re: #117 OldDog

Outrider

Did my old heart good to see the old Mass Power and Light Patch up in your avatar.

Fill in the blank Lightning Fast Chicken ______

For sure. It beats the hell out of the silly assed Erect Key patch of INSCOM.

133 Slumbering Behemoth  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:49:08pm

re: #8 Karridine

An old friend who'll tell you to you straight!

Right. My oldest and closest friends are those who have shown me my own turds and never sugar coated how bad they stank. A truly good friend doesn't pat you on the back and feed you candied BS about your fuck-ups.

134 Irene NYC  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:49:40pm

Nite, real! Sleep well.

135 Globular Cluster  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:50:05pm

Zombie,

Are there residents on Angel Island? Is this a grass fire or something of the petroleum genre?

136 Bobibutu  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:50:23pm

re: #128 zombie

Looks like the real apex of the inferno is now past. For a while there it was like a firestorm. Now it's flattened out and is spreading around the rest of the island.

There is (was) a lot of dry brush ... a group of us went hiking there a month ago.

137 Macker  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:50:30pm

re: #71 Wyatt Earp

The greatest Looney Tunes cartoon . . . EVER!

Here's the Heavy Metal version....

138 Outrider  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:50:34pm

re: #124 MandyManners

They willingly gave up their lives.

Sacrifice. To bad they aren't very tasty. lol

139 Globular Cluster  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:50:46pm

re: #126 MandyManners

((((((Globular Cluster))))))

Thanks. ;-) I really do need a hug.

140 slokat  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:50:53pm

re: #131 Irene NYC

Some campers were there. And the fire started by the camp site.

Was probably a camp moby...

141 Cap'n DOC  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:51:06pm

re: #122 Bobibutu

I was stationed on TI in 1970. I don't remember where Angel was from TI. North?

142 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:51:45pm

re: #131 Irene NYC

Some campers were there. And the fire started by the camp site.


Is "campers" the San Fransicko code word for "homeless"? And shouldn't the homeless actually be called apartmentless? Just wonderin'.

143 gmsc  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:52:07pm
144 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:52:10pm

Angel Island, if it did burn, I hope the Ft. McDowell structures did not. Dry brush comes back. It will be back by next year. Those damned eucalyptus trees are a scourge if you ask me. Non-native, oily, and very messy trees. They go up like roman candles.

145 razorbacker  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:52:10pm

Well.

Don't think that this hasn't been just a little slice of heaven, cause it has.

But my eyes are getting tired, it's almost 1 in the AM, and I can either wander about the house looking for one of the half-dozen or so pairs of reading glasses strewn about or go to bed.

So I'm going to shut the back door, fill up the cat's dish, and see if the daughter left a piece of that good chocolate cake with peanut butter frosting.

I'll either be back shortly with peanut butter breath or gone to bed.

146 Karridine  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:52:15pm

re: #50 razorbacker

I taught late 67, early 68... was walking to my first class of the day when USS Pueblo overtook me...

147 Cognito  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:52:20pm

re: #136 Bobibutu

There is (was) a lot of dry brush ... a group of us went hiking there a month ago.

As long as no one was hurt, this may not be completely tragic -- that dry brush may have indicated it was time for a natural, cyclical fire.

148 Outrider  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:52:21pm

Impressive photos. Wonder why I want a marshmallow?

149 zombie  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:52:24pm

re: #135 Globular Cluster

Zombie,

Are there residents on Angel Island? Is this a grass fire or something of the petroleum genre?

No permanent residents. Except maybe a ranger. (It's a state park.) I wouldn't imagine there'd be campers, but #131 Irene NYC says there were campers there. Nuts!

150 Oldasdirt  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:52:52pm

re: #128 zombie

Looks like the real apex of the inferno is now past. For a while there it was like a firestorm. Now it's flattened out and is spreading around the rest of the island.

Very sad Zombie,sounded like a very beautiful place.

151 Bobibutu  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:53:03pm

re: #141 Cap'n DOC

I was stationed on TI in 1970. I don't remember where Angel was from TI. North?

Yes ... towards Tiburon.

152 Irene NYC  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:53:09pm

re: #142 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Is "campers" the San Fransicko code word for "homeless"? And shouldn't the homeless actually be called apartmentless? Just wonderin'.

I don't know.

153 zombie  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:53:31pm

re: #141 Cap'n DOC

I was stationed on TI in 1970. I don't remember where Angel was from TI. North?

Yes, north -- it's adjacent to Marin County.

154 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:53:51pm

re: #138 Outrider

Sacrifice. To bad they aren't very tasty. lol

They taste like rubber chicken.

155 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:54:01pm

It's back to bed for me. Sweet dreams, Lizards!

156 Outrider  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:54:18pm

re: #143 gmsc

Bjork! Bjork! Bjork! Bjork!

One of the funniest of the Muppets! Attacking spaghetti. ;-)>

157 J.D.  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:54:28pm

re: #142 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Is "campers" the San Fransicko code word for "homeless"? And shouldn't the homeless actually be called apartmentless? Just wonderin'.

Urban outdoorsmen.

158 stuiec  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:54:35pm

re: #141 Cap'n DOC

Northwest, toward Marin County.

159 OldDog  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:54:38pm

RE: #132 Outrider

Ah Yes, The Key to the Vault of Stupid. When the Huminters took over and the State Department got their hooks in.

We never learn I guess!

160 gmsc  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:54:43pm

re: #71 Wyatt Earp

The greatest Looney Tunes cartoon . . . EVER!

It's not as well know, but this is my favorite non-Bugs, non-Daffy Warner Bros. Cartoon.

161 Occasional Reader  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:54:54pm

To bed.

162 little boomer  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:55:24pm

bed...zzz...

163 Outrider  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:55:27pm

re: #144 rawmuse

Angel Island, if it did burn, I hope the Ft. McDowell structures did not. Dry brush comes back. It will be back by next year. Those damned eucalyptus trees are a scourge if you ask me. Non-native, oily, and very messy trees. They go up like roman candles.

But makes a superior mulch when shredded. Natural bug repellent.

164 twincitiesgirl  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:55:27pm

re: #106 MandyManners

I remember that one. She won an award that year for the ugliest dress if I remember correctly. Of course she also has been seen wearing these:

Bjork

165 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:55:31pm

re: #143 gmsc

Bjork! Bjork! Bjork! Bjork!

I love that little guy, and Beaker too.

/they're way better than that Elmo character.

166 Karridine  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:55:37pm

re: #97 Outrider

Wanted to signal back to you, but Monday afternoon chores called... email me if you want ASA hangouts online, Outrider!

167 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:55:42pm

You can rent a kayak in SF and paddle to Angel Island, if you don't mind going across the shipping lanes, with freighters big as skyscrapers laying on their sides going past you. Last time I did it, I almost had to spend the night there because the wind kept pushing me back.

168 stuiec  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:56:00pm

re: #142 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Regular State Park campsites.

169 BlueCanuck  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:56:19pm

re: #156 Outrider

Had meals like that in the army. :)

/thank god I was better armed.

170 zombie  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:56:37pm

Wow, it's really died down, just in the last 15 minutes. No huge leaping flames any more, just a vast area covered with low flames and smoldering embers. I suspepct by morning they'll see that a substantial portion of the island was torched.

The one area that seems to have been spared is the north end, which is good news, because that's where most of the historical immigration buildings are.

171 Bobibutu  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:57:02pm

re: #147 Cognito

As long as no one was hurt, this may not be completely tragic -- that dry brush may have indicated it was time for a natural, cyclical fire.

All of the Bay Area is and has been long overdue. There have been decades of pissing contests about having controlled burns or not. This is the first I've heard of a fire on Angel Island - My family has been here for around 100 years.

172 Slumbering Behemoth  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:58:10pm

re: #13 Wyatt Earp

Want to break that mirror? Put Bjork in front of it.

Heh. But you gotta admit, "Army of Me" is pretty kick-ass, especially with a metal-ish treatment.

173 Killer Tomato  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:58:45pm

re: #171 Bobibutu

My family has been here for around 100 years.


Well that settles the question from the last thread about who the oldest lizard is...
;)

174 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:58:46pm

This is the time of year that the Great Oakland Fire happened, back in the '90s.

175 Outrider  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 10:59:30pm

re: #159 OldDog

RE: #132 Outrider

Ah Yes, The Key to the Vault of Stupid. When the Huminters took over and the State Department got their hooks in.

We never learn I guess!

I've always thought that was why they encouraged military to retire after 20 odd years. They know what has worked and didn't work and where the "bodies" are buried.

I live next to Fort Stewart and keep in touch with the Infantry and SigInters and they are always bringing concepts back that have already been tried and been superseded or failed.

176 Globular Cluster  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:00:19pm

I remember the Oakland Hills fire way back in the day. It seems like an eternity since it happened. We sat on our roof in Berkely, drank beers, watched and pointed.

How is SF these days, Zombie? Despite the nutballs, is it still a place you like to call home?

177 Irene NYC  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:00:44pm

re: #149 zombie

No permanent residents. Except maybe a ranger. (It's a state park.) I wouldn't imagine there'd be campers, but #131 Irene NYC says there were campers there. Nuts!

One of the reports I read said 30 foot flames, 12 campers (maybe they meant hikers?), and fire starting near where the campers were. I didn't save the link, but I'll see what I can find.

178 Globular Cluster  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:00:49pm

err... "Berkeley", getting tired.

179 Bobibutu  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:01:17pm

re: #170 zombie

Wow, it's really died down, just in the last 15 minutes. No huge leaping flames any more, just a vast area covered with low flames and smoldering embers. I suspepct by morning they'll see that a substantial portion of the island was torched.

The one area that seems to have been spared is the north end, which is good news, because that's where most of the historical immigration buildings are.

Thats where the ferry and boat docks are as well as the museum.

There are several on the south east side - I hope they made it as well - about half way up.

180 Outrider  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:01:23pm

re: #166 Karridine

Wanted to signal back to you, but Monday afternoon chores called... email me if you want ASA hangouts online, Outrider!

I know most of them and attend a couple of reunions. Mostly keep up with all the old timers I served with. Quite a few are still around.

181 Karridine  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:02:14pm

re: #175 Outrider

Outrider, here's an ASA link you might appreciate...

182 Bobibutu  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:03:02pm

re: #173 Killer Tomato

Well that settles the question from the last thread about who the oldest lizard is...
;)

I had this bad feeling about my choice of words when I hit post. ;-)

183 Karridine  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:03:06pm

re: #180 Outrider

Yeah... if I'd known I was gonna live THIS LONG, I'da taken better care of myself! :D

184 Defogger  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:04:02pm

re: #25 gmsc

Thanks for the chuckle! I needed that tonight.

185 Irene NYC  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:04:45pm

From cbs5:

Officials told CBS 5 that about a dozen campers were on the island at the time the blaze broke out. The location of the blaze was reportedly near the camping area.

186 eddiespaghetti  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:05:49pm

All political BS, which is fine, but its f-n 11:00 west coast time. Time 4 some music, I cant remember who had this affliction, maybe somebody can help me out. It's an old LGF sage, he knows who he is...

Who was the LGF guy who always posted music via u-tube?

[Link: [Link: www.youtube.com...]...]

187 Karridine  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:05:59pm

re: #185 Irene NYC

Honest, Ossifer, we looked up and the fire just JUMPED out into the dry, tinder brush...

188 Bobibutu  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:06:25pm

re: #167 rawmuse

You can rent a kayak in SF and paddle to Angel Island, if you don't mind going across the shipping lanes, with freighters big as skyscrapers laying on their sides going past you. Last time I did it, I almost had to spend the night there because the wind kept pushing me back.

Getting sucked out the Gate on a fast tide and wind ever a concern?

189 Outrider  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:06:36pm

re: #181 Karridine

Outrider, here's an ASA link you might appreciate...

Hadn't been there; web site or site. Sure can recognize it for what is though eh? lol

When I was in Jordan on a deployment we noticed a Chinese "toilet factory" a few miles out of El Jafr. Looked almost exactly like that photo. Took some great photos for the "folks back home". lol

190 IslandLibertarian  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:06:45pm

re: #120 Outrider

How many poor polyesters had to needlessly die to make that gown (sigh)
/peta pet

how many plants had to die for this?

191 Irene NYC  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:06:48pm

re: #186 eddiespaghetti

All political BS, which is fine, but its f-n 11:00 west coast time. Time 4 some music, I cant remember who had this affliction, maybe somebody can help me out. It's an old LGF sage, he knows who he is...

Who was the LGF guy who always posted music via u-tube?

[Link: [Link: www.youtube.com...]...]

babbazee posts tons of music, so does killgore trout.

Does any of that ring a bell?

192 Grandma  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:06:48pm

So, here’s tonight’s story about how race is not injected into the presidential campaign by some. Tonight I went to visit my 92 year old Pop at his nursing home. He is not well, but his biggest problem is severe dementia. Most of the time he doesn’t have a clear thought in his head, but this evening he was fairly alert. As we sat in the parlor watching the TV news, he asked me when he saw Obama, “who is that man?” I told him the name, the particulars, and said Obama’s mother was a white lady and his father a black man. Pop, who sometimes uses expressions in German, said “Es macht nicht” (pronounced “es mox nix”). That translates to “it matters not”. Then Pop said Obama had big, funny ears. “So do you, Pop”, I said, and that’s true. But Pop, would not be outdone, and said, “but mine don’t stick out like that, and besides he has a weird name. And he also talks slick, like a used-car salesman or a politician who says nothing important”.
I said no more, but when I left Pop tonight, he said, “that expression can also mean, the hell with ‘em”. All in all it was an amusing but an enlightening evening.
Thanks for listening to Grandma and her demented Pop on this lovely fall Carolina evening, and have a nice day.

193 Karridine  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:06:58pm

re: #186 eddiespaghetti

There are actually several of them, Eddie...

194 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:07:39pm

re: #176 Globular Cluster

A musician friend of mine was at a gig when his home was consumed. He was left with his instrument, his only clothing was what he was wearing (a formal tux) and his car. I called him about it, and he said "I am fine. I have everything I need to start over". And, so he did.

195 Outrider  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:07:44pm

re: #190 IslandLibertarian

how many plants had to die for this?

er...one too many? ;-)>

196 ACJohn  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:08:30pm

Found this doing a random search on you tube.
Ronald Reagan - Lessons On How To Combat Islamic Fascism

197 J.D.  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:08:35pm
198 Karridine  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:08:57pm

re: #189 Outrider

"Toilet Factory"?

Yeah, Outrider, so when folks complain about America "bombing an aspirin factory!" I just take it with a grain of salt, which (from experience) is usually MSG...

199 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:09:12pm

re: #121 MandyManners

How did it start?

Haven't heard how that one started but one of the ones we have here in Southern California in being investigated by the bomb squad as well as arson investigators. Makes me livid.

200 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:09:12pm

re: #188 Bobibutu

Getting sucked out the Gate on a fast tide and wind ever a concern?

I never worried about that, I could beat the tide by itself, but the with wind, no way. This little duckling would be headed for the shoals.

201 eddiespaghetti  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:10:50pm

kilgore trout rings a bell:

But he is not the sage, 2 years ago, mad affliction with you-tube. A little help...

202 J.D.  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:11:58pm

re: #201 eddiespaghetti

In the morning, usually? From Ohio?
realwest would know, I'd say.

203 Bobibutu  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:12:07pm

re: #200 rawmuse

I never worried about that, I could beat the tide by itself, but the with wind, no way. This little duckling would be headed for the shoals.

Sounds like fun ... I've just sailed on the Bay. Something for next summer.

204 Outrider  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:12:32pm

re: #196 ACJohn

Found this doing a random search on you tube.
Ronald Reagan - Lessons On How To Combat Islamic Fascism

Awesome individual. Scared the living f**k out of the liberals.

Knew what had to be done Down South too except a wuss congress wouldn't b believe him.

205 eddiespaghetti  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:13:15pm

#193, looking for the original, he knows who he is. He gets a little embarrased when I bring it up. It has been a long time!

206 Outrider  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:14:03pm

re: #198 Karridine

"Toilet Factory"?

Yeah, Outrider, so when folks complain about America "bombing an aspirin factory!" I just take it with a grain of salt, which (from experience) is usually MSG...

Well, after seeing some of the places we have used for cover OCONUS, nothing surprises me, much less an aspirin factory or perfume plant.

207 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:14:17pm
208 Outrider  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:14:57pm

re: #199 Pvt Bin Jammin

Haven't heard how that one started but one of the ones we have here in Southern California in being investigated by the bomb squad as well as arson investigators. Makes me livid.

wasn't there a gang of explosives and caps gone missing in California today?

209 Bobibutu  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:15:56pm

Ah - it just hit me .. Fleet Week and the Blue Angels - of course there would be campers on the island - an awesome spot to photograph the event over the weekend.

210 eddiespaghetti  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:16:59pm

Name the fav's at LGF, late night! I have been gone 4 awhile.

This is so weak, but a good song!

211 Karridine  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:17:18pm

re: #204 Outrider

America! Last, best hope for world peace with justice and compassion...

NEVER SURRENDER!

212 Fearless Fred  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:17:31pm

re: #56 Intrepid

Sorry, but when she wore that swan to one of the award shows all I could think was "YIKES! SHE'S WEARING A SWAN!"

Worst fashion statement ever, and her music sucks as well.

/if you can call it music.

It's just weird human behaviour, ya know?

213 eddiespaghetti  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:18:14pm

Fleet week where? SD, SF, NY. Many places...

214 Bobibutu  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:19:21pm

re: #213 eddiespaghetti

Fleet week where? SD, SF, NY. Many places...

SF - where Angel Island is on fire.

215 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:20:06pm

re: #208 Outrider

Yes, somebody posted a link this morning from either the OC Register or Sign on San Diego about the stolen explosive materials. The fire in Tujunga Canyon is being investigated by Bomb Squad and Arson Investigators. Don't know if there's a connection but does make one wonder.

216 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:20:11pm

re: #213 eddiespaghetti

Fleet week where? SD, SF, NY. Many places...

San Francisco. I usually go, but I have been laid up with a cold. I can see the Blue Angels from my bedroom window. I watched them for a bit today. Some other weird aircraft flew right over my house a couple times today. Some big'uns.

217 Outrider  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:21:43pm

re: #211 Karridine

America! Last, best hope for world peace with justice and compassion...

NEVER SURRENDER!

When I see them anarchists up in the NW or any of Zombies photos, I go onto Fort Stewart and talk to those soldiers or onto Hunter Army Air Field and get with them Rangers. Gives me all the confidence I need to know we got 'er licked.

218 Killer Tomato  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:22:47pm

'night all.
Happy Monday, and have an enjoyable Columbus Day / Thanksgiving.

219 Outrider  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:23:14pm

re: #215 Pvt Bin Jammin

Yes, somebody posted a link this morning from either the OC Register or Sign on San Diego about the stolen explosive materials. The fire in Tujunga Canyon is being investigated by Bomb Squad and Arson Investigators. Don't know if there's a connection but does make one wonder.

Seems like a waste to use them there even for a dry run, when there is so much unobserved land a little distance off.

220 eddiespaghetti  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:23:23pm

My old roomate was a blue, talk about 'rock star' for a few years. There are actually so many people who love FW in SF. The only thing that gets press is the libs and anti-mil croud. Isn't that F-d up. I know that 9 out of 10 love it, but the whiney fags win. That sucks, not goint 2 change either...

221 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:23:26pm

re: #218 Killer Tomato

"Nite. Same to ya!

222 IslandLibertarian  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:23:56pm

Just wait til ZerObama tries to redistribute THIS WEALTH!
(Scroll down through the whole page)

223 Slumbering Behemoth  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:24:06pm

re: #210 eddiespaghetti

A Maiden fan?

224 Fearless Fred  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:25:14pm

re: #106 MandyManners

Bjork's dress.

Bjork's red socks ...

225 eddiespaghetti  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:25:27pm

Sorry, 9 of 10 F#%$'s love it 2. Didn't want to hate on them, they love that shit~

226 eddiespaghetti  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:25:57pm

#223, are you kidding me?

227 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:26:10pm

re: #222 IslandLibertarian

Nice. I can ride my bike there in an hour or so. Yeah, California just sucks, alright. :)

228 Outrider  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:26:17pm

re: #222 IslandLibertarian

Just wait til ZerObama tries to redistribute THIS WEALTH!
(Scroll down through the whole page)

good looking water. here off of Coastal Georgia, it's all brownish.

229 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:28:19pm

re: #222 IslandLibertarian

Great pics. Makes me feel like taking a trip north.

230 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:29:58pm

re: #222 IslandLibertarian

You know, it wasn't always like that there. My wife had a crazy great uncle who lived on the waterfront of Sausalito back when it looked like the kind of place you would wake up in the trunk of a car after you had been kidnapped. We got to visit him once before he passed. He had pictures of Sally Rand, a local madam (she coined the phrase "What a business. You got it. You sell it. You still got it."). It was a heady place back during Prohibition too.

231 eddiespaghetti  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:30:30pm

Can I play with madness? I cant believe the old LGF sage isn't here to skool me on the You-tube shizzle?

Sorry about the F#@ stuff, not hating, love yall. I mean not LOVE yall, but not trying to hate on you. God I feel like a sissy lib, not trying 2 hate on u.

232 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:32:30pm

re: #231 eddiespaghetti

You can't fuck up my perception of San Francisco any more than it is already in my head. Did I mention I have lived here 30 years? Nope, no surprises for me.

233 Slumbering Behemoth  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:32:39pm

re: #226 eddiespaghetti

#223, are you kidding me?

Huh?

234 IslandLibertarian  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:33:17pm

re: #227 rawmuse

Nice. I can ride my bike there in an hour or so. Yeah, California just sucks, alright. :)

I'm a native Californian, tried moving back there twice.........just couldn't stay.
They've fucked up Orange County and NoCal is just too cold.
I'll just have to stay where I am..........

235 eddiespaghetti  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:33:18pm

R u kidding me like Yeah, I am.

236 So?  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:34:01pm

Your best friend is an old mirror.

237 Bobibutu  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:35:13pm

re: #227 rawmuse

Nice. I can ride my bike there in an hour or so. Yeah, California just sucks, alright. :)

Used to sail over from Oakland for Sunday brunch back in the 50's. Tie up at the restaurants dock and walk in. No dress code if you came by boat.

238 eddiespaghetti  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:35:57pm

I could speak like I would 2 my bro's but I dont want 2 be quoted...

If U promised I would not be quoted, I would say..

Yes, I fucking like Iron Maiden, they fucking rock, link 2 the via the internets machine...

239 Steel Turman  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:36:21pm

Open Thread?

Okay.

I cannot 'see' Barack Obama as POTUS.

Ain't gonna happen.

I could be wrong.

There are too many ways for that not to be the case.

Check back with me when they swear in the new guy.

Ain't. Gonna. Happen.

Barack Obama is about to do an Icarus.

And if he manages to somehow fall to Earth intact - we'll gather around and wonder how he survived.

He's toast.

Broiled by the flames of his own making.

Toast.

The American voter is stupid - but not that stupid.

Not yet.

Stay tuned.

240 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:37:26pm

re: #239 Steel Turman

I hope you are right.

241 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:38:45pm

There's nothing wrong with Iron Maiden. That was a great one somebody posted. LOL

242 Bobibutu  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:39:24pm

re: #239 Steel Turman

From your lips to G-ds ear. I'm hoping your are right - but now is not the time to coast to the finish line. Who was the guy that coasted in the Olympics? And got blown off by what? 0.01 sec.

243 zombie  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:39:27pm

re: #230 rawmuse

You know, it wasn't always like that there. My wife had a crazy great uncle who lived on the waterfront of Sausalito back when it looked like the kind of place you would wake up in the trunk of a car after you had been kidnapped. We got to visit him once before he passed. He had pictures of Sally Rand, a local madam (she coined the phrase "What a business. You got it. You sell it. You still got it."). It was a heady place back during Prohibition too.

Some of very very earliest Dashiell Hammett detective stories, starring the "Continental Op," partly took place in 1920s Sausalito. Hammett (true to life) described it as a place where rumrunners and gangsters hid out, where the police had no authority, where every other building was a bordello or a smuggling depot, and where gunbattles between crooks raged on the waterfront.

244 RememberSekhmet?  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:39:29pm

All this talk about polls got me thinking, and my husband just reminded me of something.

If any of y'all haven't checked it out, look at some of Wizbang's work on the polls. Re-indexing many of them by 2006 numbers shows McCain a whole lot closer than even "friendly" polls like Rasmussen. So why the discrepancy?

Of course, there is the factor of ACORN registering a lot of "ghost voters" who are factored in by professional pollsters when weighting polls, but who don't show up on Election Day. But my husband also reminded me: A lot of pollsters by the conventions of the industry have to factor in the numbers from the primary when doing their weighting. Democrat attendance in the primaries in 2008 set records. By the conventions of the polling industry, this has to translate into record voting numbers by Democrats, and the polls are weighted accordingly.

But we all recall the primaries. For the Republicans, it was mostly decided before Texas. The Dems duked it out to the bitter end, egged on by the operatives of Operation Chaos. I think this lured what I call "double dips" to the primaries---people who normally vote for Democrats in the general election but skip primaries. Because they didn't skip this primary, they are weighed as a gain in Democrat votes. But Democrats can't gain what they already had. So essentially, these guys are counted twice when calculating the percentage of projected Democrat voters.

In order to maintain consistency in polling, polling orgs have to follow certain conventions when gathering, sorting, and weighting data. This is a matter of weighting apples. You can't just throw an orange in the mix by tossing out 2008 primary data and weighting your numbers with a more "normal" year like 2000, 2004, or 2006. The pollsters who do internal polling for candidates are not so restricted. This is why I think it is more helpful to watch how the campaigns are behaving than watching the professional polls. From what I am seeing, McCain's numbers are better than we think IMHO.

245 Outrider  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:40:27pm

re: #227 rawmuse

Nice. I can ride my bike there in an hour or so. Yeah, California just sucks, alright. :)

Wish I could say I admire California, but my only practical experience with California living comes from multiple rotations of National Training Center at Fort Irwin. From my perspective California is sand, rocks, sand, more rocks. Did I mention sand?

246 Slumbering Behemoth  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:42:26pm

re: #235 eddiespaghetti

Got it. I'm a big fan of the first two albums. Dickinson may or may not be the better singer, but I prefer the music from the first two.

247 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:42:30pm

re: #243 zombie

OK, Z, here is a local trivia question for you.
Name the eccentric millionaire that had his own man made island home anchored in Richardson Bay.

248 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:42:32pm

re: #245 Outrider

Ft Irwin? Ouch. That might be worse than 29 Palms. Seriously, though, there are a lot of beautiful places here.

249 Bobibutu  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:42:55pm

re: #243 zombie

Some of very very earliest Dashiell Hammett detective stories, starring the "Continental Op," partly took place in 1920s Sausalito. Hammett (true to life) described it as a place where rumrunners and gangsters hid out, where the police had no authority, where every other building was a bordello or a smuggling depot, and where gunbattles between crooks raged on the waterfront.

Gotta love the Bay Area - what a diverse and rich history - much still in the making.

250 Fearless Fred  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:43:34pm

re: #239 Steel Turman

The American voter is stupid - but not that stupid.

Not yet.

Stay tuned.

I agree.

251 Outrider  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:44:46pm

re: #248 Pvt Bin Jammin

Ft Irwin? Ouch. That might be worse than 29 Palms. Seriously, though, there are a lot of beautiful places here.

29 Palms just down the road a piece from Irwin ain't it?

252 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:45:14pm

I wonder if San Francisco lets zombies get married.

253 Fearless Fred  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:45:45pm

re: #247 rawmuse

OK, Z, here is a local trivia question for you.
Name the eccentric millionaire that had his own man made island home anchored in Richardson Bay.

here's another .... who's got one drifting around and is turning it into a new country?

254 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:47:00pm

re: #253 Fearless Fred

Tom Perkins.

255 BlueCanuck  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:47:12pm

re: #252 Moe Katz

I think in SF they will let anything get married. All part of their free think. Personally I think their minds have been so open for so long their brains just evaporated.

256 zombie  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:47:18pm

re: #247 rawmuse

OK, Z, here is a local trivia question for you.
Name the eccentric millionaire that had his own man made island home anchored in Richardson Bay.

Forbes!

257 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:48:04pm

re: #256 zombie

Forbes!

Damn, you're good!

258 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:49:27pm
259 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:49:38pm

re: #251 Outrider

Not far at all. I've never been to Ft. Irwin but 20 yrs ago my hubby and I bought a rental property in 29 Palms (we thought the town was going to boom). LOL Trying to unload that property. It looks like the lunar landscape to me and I grew up in the desert in Northern Nevada.....much different.

260 Karridine  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:49:50pm

Outrider, before you leave and we lose context and connection, I just wanted you to know I wrote that book...

261 zombie  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:50:41pm

Er -- Forbes Thor Kiddoo, was his full name!

262 Fearless Fred  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:51:46pm

re: #254 rawmuse

Tom Perkins.

Patri Friedman -- Milton Friedman's grandson.

263 wiffersnapper  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:52:36pm

Getting ready to snowflake CSU's plaza with Obama Truth. We'll see how many tolerant liberals will tear the signs down.

264 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:53:27pm

re: #262 Fearless Fred

Patri Friedman -- Milton Friedman's grandson.

OK, I was thinking of the billion dollar yacht that Mr. Perkins built. I think it is in the bay right now.

I knew Mr. Friedman. I remain a big fan of his.

265 Outrider  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:54:12pm

re: #260 Karridine

Outrider, before you leave and we lose context and connection, I just wanted you to know I wrote that book...

Cool. I'll have to pursue it. There are a few ASA books.

266 Fearless Fred  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:54:28pm

re: #262 Fearless Fred

Patri Friedman -- Milton Friedman's grandson.

And last week, Thiel announced a $500,000 investment—the same amount he put into Facebook in June 2004—in the Seasteading Institute. Seasteading, or "homesteading on the high seas," is an idea that has long attracted libertarians and others who would like to see a little more competition between forms of government. The idea is to get out into international waters and set up a floating outpost (or 12, or 1,200) from which people can come and go, experimenting with different types of legal, social, and contractual arrangements.

Thiel's co-conspirator and resident big thinker is none other than the impeccably credentialed Patri Friedman, son of David "Machinery of Freedom" Friedman, grandson of Milton "Capitalism and Freedom" Friedman. Patri, 31, has been beating the drums for various floating autonomous entities for several years, whenever he can steal time from his work as a software engineer at Google and from his now 2-year-old son, Tovar.

267 Karridine  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:55:13pm

Whew!

Thunk you'd split...

268 stuiec  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:56:13pm

re: #239 Steel Turman

I believe you are right, but not so much that I cannot admit the possibility that you are wrong.

Stranger things have happened in history than Barack Obama being elected President. Of course, nearly every single one of those things ended in disaster....

269 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:56:15pm

re: #266 Fearless Fred

I recall an concept called Freedom Ship a few years ago. Sounded intriguing.

270 Outrider  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:56:52pm

re: #260 Karridine

Outrider, before you leave and we lose context and connection, I just wanted you to know I wrote that book...

ok. i got the data for it saved. thanks

271 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:57:29pm

"a concept"
PIMF

And on that note, I have exceeded my daily limit of grammar and syntax errors.
Later, Lizards!

272 Karridine  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:57:53pm

re: #266 Fearless Fred

Too bad Jefferson State can't be set up at sea, Fred...

273 Bobibutu  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:58:02pm

re: #271 rawmuse

"a concept"
PIMF

And on that note, I have exceeded my daily limit of grammar and syntax errors.
Later, Lizards!

Nite - I'm down as well.

274 Inquisitive  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:58:12pm

Gotta love that Palin.....
Palin Slams Obama on Abortion...........
"By the way, there was another line from Palin that stood out to me. She said the following line:“There are the world’s standards of perfection … and then there are God’s, and these are the final measure.”

"Folks, if you want to know a big reason why Evangelicals and other religious conservatives love her it is because of lines like that. Saying that God’s standards are the final measure should not be discounted as just another line. It is this attitude of Palin’s that resonates with people in the heartland of this country. Call it a “ca-ching” moment."
[Link: www.cbn.com...]

275 eddiespaghetti  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:58:43pm

zombie would know, who loves to link the you-tubes, old skool loves it:

276 Karridine  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:58:49pm

re: #270 Outrider

Yr welcome, and THANK YOU...

/couldn't explain it in plaintext, heh!

277 stuiec  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:59:12pm

re: #261 zombie

Poor guy could never get the Coast Guard to leave him alone. They kept telling him he was a hazard to shipping, and he kept telling them he was an island and the boats would just have to navigate around him like any other island.

Turning his island into a restaurant seems to have been a worthwhile solution. I'm curious to eat there sometime.

278 ggt  Sun, Oct 12, 2008 11:59:12pm

Good Morning Lizards! It was warmish in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland yesterday. Have the windows open now and the dogs are panting.

Is anyone here? If so, how are you and what are we talking about?

279 Fearless Fred  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:00:17am

re: #264 rawmuse

OK, I was thinking of the billion dollar yacht that Mr. Perkins built. I think it is in the bay right now.

I knew Mr. Friedman. I remain a big fan of his.

I went to hear him give speeches a couple of times here in Texas. Have most of his books. Loved him so much. He's prolly my greatest hero. Is that weird? I don't guess it is . . . maybe unusual?

280 zombie  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:01:04am

re: #257 rawmuse

Damn, you're good!

Here's a REAL brainbuster, and very topical, considering the evening's events:

When Spanish explorer Juan Manuel de Ayala first sailed into San Francisco Bay and named all the islands, he named one of them Alcatraz. However, it is NOT the island we now think of as having the name Alcatraz! Question: What is the modern name of the island that Ayala originally called Alcatraz? And why were the names switched?

This is not a joke!

281 ggt  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:01:20am

re: #266 Fearless Fred

Like the Oneida colony, New Harmony, Indiana, and the Shakers?

Why?

282 Karridine  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:01:53am

re: #278 ggt

Thinking of the architectural beauty of that shining, white-stone House of Worship in western Chicago suburbs...

/while enjoying suburban Bangkok! :D

283 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:02:07am

re: #278 ggt

Officially morning to me too. We're talking about living on boats in international waters, Iron Maiden, San Francisco.....you name it. LOL

284 Karridine  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:03:27am

Yerba Buena...

Switched 1915 by the Army?

285 ggt  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:04:43am

re: #282 Karridine

White Stone House of worship? BAPs Mandir?

286 pat  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:04:46am

Does anyone but me think that the hysteria in the Asiatic/Muslim press about America's failure to win the heart and soul of Afghans indicates that America is kicking ass?

287 ggt  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:07:01am

Your text to link...Sorry, forgot the link. It is a beautiful place if anyone has the chance to take a tour.

I havent' been on in a day or so, did Charles do more tweaking?

288 Moe Katz  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:07:18am

re: #286 pat

Does anyone but me think that the hysteria in the Asiatic/Muslim press about America's failure to win the heart and soul of Afghans indicates that America is kicking ass?

Not I.

289 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:07:33am

re: #286 pat

Does anyone but me think that the hysteria in the Asiatic/Muslim press about America's failure to win the heart and soul of Afghans indicates that America is kicking ass?

This guy says "NO!"

/I think you've got a point there.

290 zombie  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:09:34am

re: #284 Karridine

Yerba Buena...

Switched 1915 by the Army?

Very good! Yerba Buena is correct! But the second half of the answer -- incorrect. The real answer: In 1826, A British ship sailed into San Francisco Bay, and was using Ayala's charts, but the Queen's Surveyor on board got all confused, and so when he made his own map of the Bay, he accidentally wrote the wrong name on the wrong island. That incorrect 1826 British map was then later used by subsequent mapmakers to name the islands, and by the time the mistake was noticed, it was far too late -- all the maps had repeated the error. So the Americans just decided to stick with the new names rather than try to fix every map in the world.

291 Karridine  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:10:31am

re: #285 ggt

The Baha'i House of Worship for the North American continent, Evanston, IL

292 Outrider  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:10:38am

re: #290 zombie

Very good! Yerba Buena is correct! But the second half of the answer -- incorrect. The real answer: In 1826, A British ship sailed into San Francisco Bay, and was using Ayala's charts, but the Queen's Surveyor on board got all confused, and so when he made his own map of the Bay, he accidentally wrote the wrong name on the wrong island. That incorrect 1826 British map was then later used by subsequent mapmakers to name the islands, and by the time the mistake was noticed, it was far too late -- all the maps had repeated the error. So the Americans just decided to stick with the new names rather than try to fix every map in the world.

wow. ;-)>

293 Fearless Fred  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:10:50am

re: #272 Karridine

Too bad Jefferson State can't be set up at sea, Fred...

Oh my! That's all quite new to me. Very nice . . . 'patriotic rebellion'. I actually believe a day will come when these type efforts will contribute to our progress.

294 pat  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:11:13am

Cool. Off to bed here. Glad some see it the way I do.

295 eddiespaghetti  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:11:42am

If you are a thoughtful soul, you will look at Michael Yon. We are not winning in Afghanistan. Yes, we are greasing a lot of Durkas there, but the hearts and minds thing is wo-full. More troops, more time.

296 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:11:50am

re: #291 Karridine

The Baha'i House of Worship for the North American continent, Evanston, IL

meditated in there back in '89.........awesome space.

297 Karridine  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:12:49am

re: #290 zombie

Interesting, Zom!

I'd heard somewhere before (born in SF but never lived there) probably Mom and Dad talking, decades past... :D

298 ggt  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:12:50am

re: #290 zombie

Kinda of like the rest of the world thinking we should roll over and play dead --so many of our citizens are willing to do so?

/sorry, feeling rather p!ssed at some of my fellow non-lizard citizens lately. I will say that this election has shown some aspects of people's personalities I never knew before. Some people I know have been diligently hiding their misgynony and race hatred for many years --and it is now coming out.

299 ggt  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:14:12am

re: #291 Karridine

Never been, I don't get that far North very often. I know they had to do some repair work on it a while back.

300 Moe Katz  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:14:36am

re: #295 eddiespaghetti

If you are a thoughtful soul, you will look at Michael Yon. We are not winning in Afghanistan. Yes, we are greasing a lot of Durkas there, but the hearts and minds thing is wo-full. More troops, more time.

Share your assessment. The Pashtun tribal fighters (Taliban) are despicable bastards but can be beaten with sufficient force and determination.

301 Karridine  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:14:46am

re: #293 Fearless Fred

Oh my! That's all quite new to me. Very nice . . . 'patriotic rebellion'. I actually believe a day will come when these type efforts will contribute to our progress.

Ain't that Jefferson State something?

They want NOTHING TO DO with the moonbats of northern Oregon or the moonbats of southern California, and so are militating for their own state, Jefferson State...

302 Karridine  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:17:38am

re: #300 Moe Katz

Moe, as I recall Afghanistan needs some REAL CHANGES that military cannot provide, such as a cash crop to replace opium, so that the PEOPLE can earn a decent living without having to pay off the Taliban and the neighborhood hood!

A few more wrinkles, too... as suggested, read Michael Yon!

303 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:17:57am

re: #298 ggt

I'm with you, GGT. We have dear, old friends who have always known we were Republicans but suddenly we are racists because we don't like "TheOne". Sad

304 Fearless Fred  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:19:04am

re: #281 ggt

Like the Oneida colony, New Harmony, Indiana, and the Shakers?

Why?

Those each involved very different purposes ..... and none really about human economic/political freedom and liberty. Sooo, why? ... why what?
Why desire liberty? I think I misunderstood.

305 eddiespaghetti  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:19:07am

Pashtun peeps are not despicable, change your paradigm. They saved a SEAL with their old skool culture. We need 2 turn them like we did the "sons of Iraq". The understand power, Patreaus knows...

306 Karridine  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:20:10am

re: #303 Pvt Bin Jammin

I'm with you, GGT. We have dear, old friends who have always known we were Republicans but suddenly we are racists because we don't like "TheOne". Sad

A recent discussion here in the expat community, Bangkok...

"...but HOW can I disagree with Obama's IDEAS without being racist?"

"Clearly, you can't! There's nothing wrong with his ideas. You don't like his RACE!"

/wow
Skeeeeewz me!

307 Killian Bundy  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:23:43am

Dominance and Submission

/song of the day

308 eddiespaghetti  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:24:19am

Geez, a little levity:

309 Moe Katz  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:25:08am

re: #305 eddiespaghetti

Pashtun peeps are not despicable, change your paradigm. They saved a SEAL with their old skool culture. We need 2 turn them like we did the "sons of Iraq". The understand power, Patreaus knows...

But how---when the allies are fighting the opium trade, which is the basis of the Taliban's economy.... as Karradine suggests, some substitute for the opium is needed. Or buy their crop for medical uses, or whatever.

310 itellu3times  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:27:05am

An old mirror is the best friend?
A Befriended Hilt Mirror Snots.

311 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:28:13am

re: #306 Karridine

That's how it goes, for us. We are whites who have lived with blacks for over 30 years. I would lay down my life for these friends, and a few that are our age, understand us but are voting for Barry anyway, because they can, but the under 45 age group really have a problem with us all of a sudden. They knew we didn't like Clinton or Jimmah, but it's different now.

312 Inquisitive  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:28:21am

This is pretty good article on comparing the things "that ones" campaign vs McCains and how McCains has ended up being called the bad guy.

"Jumping Ship...
Moreover, so far, McCain supporters have not broken into Biden's email, or accused Biden of being a Nazi, or accused anyone of not bearing one of their own children, or photo-shopped grotesque pictures of Obama on the Internet (as in the Atlantic magazine case). I don't think deranged McCain supporters in Hollywood or television almost daily are quoted as damning Obama in unusually crude terms. Nor are white racist ministers calling McCain a 'messiah' or McCain operatives fraudulently swarming voter registration centers. And on and on.
..........
Obama, as I have said ad nauseam, has brilliantly prepped the battlefield to such a degree that a Farrakhan endorsement or surrogates calling Palin a quasi-Nazi or a bimbo, or smearing McCain as near senile is irrelevant; yet one screamer in a crowd of tens of thousands is proof of McCain's and Palin's racism and hatred.........
Yet for a self-acclaimed conservative to vote Obama would mean that higher taxes, larger government, more entitlements, more of a UN-centered foreign policy, dialogue with an Iran, less coal,oil, and nuclear energy production at home, more "oppression" studies and "reparations", leftish Supreme Court judges, open borders (I could go on) were the truly conservative positions, or perhaps suddenly truly the 'right' positions. And as far as ethics go, in fact, a cursory review of the past Obama campaigns would reveal a ruthlessness never seen in any of McCain's efforts. Obama's record is far more left than McCain's is far right. Obama the healer has proven to be the most partisan in the Senate, McCain one of the most bipartisan."
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

313 Moe Katz  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:28:45am

re: #303 Pvt Bin Jammin

I'm with you, GGT. We have dear, old friends who have always known we were Republicans but suddenly we are racists because we don't like "TheOne". Sad

That IS sad. Can't they understand that it's Obama's ideas you oppose, not his color?

314 gmsc  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:31:25am
315 eddiespaghetti  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:32:18am

#309, is this a serious discussion? Do U understand the complexity of the Afghanistan situation? The Taliban control the opium trade, the electrical grid, the basis of the average afghan.

U need a major influx of $ into that country, they want peace, the problem is that America is half-assing it and NATO leadership is a bunch of pussies. NATO peeps on the ground rock, I am serious, French SF, German SF, Canadian SF are some of the best opperators on earth. F the government, those guys rock.

316 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:34:05am

re: #313 Moe Katz

Absolutely. Unfortunately, some of our white friends are getting just as judgementle. Not too many conservatives in my neck of the woods. I was just glad that we made friends with Desert Sage and get together with him at least once a week. :-)

317 Killian Bundy  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:36:01am

John Kerry, Secretary of State?

/unrepentant moron, but not in Debbie Schlussel's league

318 ggt  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:37:40am

re: #304 Fearless Fred

I think social engineering experiments are worthless. Sorry, you cannot control all the variables in life--a small sampling of humans in a controlled setting is a farce.

JMHO.

319 ggt  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:40:00am

re: #313 Moe Katz

It's the opposite with me. People who won't vote for him because of the color of his skin. People crossing that PC taboo and seriously saying they won't vote for a black man. The ONLY reason they won't vote for him.

I've heard similar statements about Hillary and Palin, "We're not ready for a women president"

320 eddiespaghetti  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:41:11am

Sorry, Marines and Army SF are the shit too. I was trying to represent ISAF in the south of Afghanistan.

321 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:41:59am

re: #319 ggt

That makes me sick. At least we don't seem to have that kind of attitude here in So. Calif.

322 TheMatrix31  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:42:34am

re: #319 ggt

I've heard similar statements about Hillary and Palin, "We're not ready for a women president"

Considering that Palin is kicking more ass than all three combined, I don't see how those statements are anywhere near valid.

323 Killian Bundy  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:45:21am

re: #320 eddiespaghetti

Sorry, Marines and Army SF are the shit too. I was trying to represent ISAF in the south of Afghanistan.

More troops is pretty much pointless, the terrain make's them just so many more targets.

/they need more armed aerial drones

324 ggt  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:45:37am

re: #321 Pvt Bin Jammin

I will say that people are hopping mad about the state of the Democrtic Party in Illinois. No one seems to want our politics in the White House.

I don't know what will happen in the ballot box, all I can do is pray.

325 Karridine  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:47:02am

re: #311 Pvt Bin Jammin

That's how it goes, for us. We are whites who have lived with blacks for over 30 years. I would lay down my life for these friends, and a few that are our age, understand us but are voting for Barry anyway, because they can, but the under 45 age group really have a problem with us all of a sudden. They knew we didn't like Clinton or Jimmah, but it's different now.

The shame of American media, AND Obama's team, blaring out daily that there is NO REASON other than racism, to criticize O Boy! Fanning flames of racism to destroy DECADES of patient friend-finding and friendship...

Bitter fruit, Bin, bitter bad news!

326 eddiespaghetti  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:50:25am

#323. Yes and no. More troops are needed. We hold a province with 1/8 in Afghanistan compared to what we hold in Irak.

This is a good discussion in a post-grad skool class for military senior officers, buy into the discussion. You have input, there are forums...

327 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:50:38am

re: #324 ggt

I'll be praying too and working the polls, as I have for thirty years with all my fellow poll workers ,who are democrats. (I used to be one too, LOL). I really won't complete my work until about 10:30 PM and won't even know the results until then (we can't listen to news there). Either way, I will probably drink heavily after. LOL

328 eddiespaghetti  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:56:08am

#323, there is no shame in hating on the policy that we have in afghanistan, we need more troops, they can do wonders. The American trooper is a wonder, he rocks. It is a mix of kinetic and non-kinetic, see Patreus.

We need a comprehensive policy, anti-opium, anti-curruption, strong central govt, strong central army. Complex problem, smart solutions, every problem does not need only a hammer.

The hammer is the fun part though!

329 Chotii  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:56:50am

I went to the "Kids for Obama" walk in Seattle today. Slideshow here:

[Link: heynonny-mouse.livejournal.com...]

A couple more can be found by looking at the article on Michelle Malkin's site (dated 10/11) , bottom of the comments.

330 Killian Bundy  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:56:52am

re: #326 eddiespaghetti

#323. Yes and no. More troops are needed. We hold a province with 1/8 in Afghanistan compared to what we hold in Irak.

This is a good discussion in a post-grad skool class for military senior officers, buy into the discussion. You have input, there are forums...

The opium.

/if Afghanistan was militarily solvable, we would have already scorched the poppy crop, no?

331 eddiespaghetti  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:57:27am

#323, have u ever been to Afghanistan?

332 eddiespaghetti  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:59:23am

#330, the opium. Yes what is your point? Are YOU going to go in there and scorch it?

Save Tibet! Asshole SF douche bags wear those shirts!

333 Killian Bundy  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:00:45am

re: #328 eddiespaghetti

we need more troops, they can do wonders.

To a point.

/Afghanistan doesn't lend it self to large unit military engagements

334 Killian Bundy  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:01:30am

re: #331 eddiespaghetti

#323, have u ever been to Afghanistan?

/nope

335 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:01:34am

Can anyone get into Ace?

336 Moe Katz  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:02:56am

re: #316 Pvt Bin Jammin

Absolutely. Unfortunately, some of our white friends are getting just as judgementle. Not too many conservatives in my neck of the woods. I was just glad that we made friends with Desert Sage and get together with him at least once a week. :-)

Seems like this is some kind of collective psychosis and you're a monster if you don't want to join the lemmings.

337 Killian Bundy  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:04:01am

re: #332 eddiespaghetti

#330, the opium. Yes what is your point? Are YOU going to go in there and scorch it?

Save Tibet! Asshole SF douche bags wear those shirts!

My question is why don't we do it?

/what is stopping us from doing so?

338 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:04:03am

re: #329 Chotii

Thanks for the pics! I would never use a young kid to prop up any candidate, but that's just me.

P.S. My dogs are for McCain/Palin!

339 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:05:09am

Will someone see if they can connect to Ace?.... please

340 RTLM  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:06:49am

Update re: the latest putrid moonbat stunt: The "Sarah Palin is a c***" tee shirt thing is at ABC now.

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

And now we’ll check the shrieking claims that this was an RNC plant/conspiracy to sway votes to McCain.

You know that’s coming - Kos will be first to puke it up.

341 TheMatrix31  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:07:49am

I was able to get in without a problem.

342 stonemason  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:08:54am

re: #339 JacksonTn

I got in through the LGF link a few posts down

343 Moe Katz  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:09:26am

I wonder if you could use King's "I Have a Dream" speech in an anti-Obama ad:

"MLK said, "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.""

"Okay, let's talk about the content of Obama's character..."

344 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:10:28am

re: #342 stonemason

I got in through the LGF link a few posts down

Please click on the new comments thingy and see if you can go to comments... I can get into site but not comments ...

345 eddiespaghetti  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:11:32am

OK, let me ex-plain it 2 u.

The south of Afghanistan is Pashtun, it spills east into Pakistan and is the central front of Al Qaeda. The Pashtun posse is generally bad, although they have a strong code which can b sprung visa-vi sons of Irak with enough blood and gold. The Paki govt is soft and the ISI is rampant with corruption and is in for the bad guys in Afghanistan.

Ground forces (ISAF) in southern afghanistan are led by Canadians, Dutch, Brits, Marines, and are some of the bravest peeps on earf. We have 1/8 the troops in Afghanistan that we have in Iraq, we can do better. Air forces are supreme in south Afghanistan and Eastern too, but it cant win.

346 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:12:43am

I finally got in ....... I think he is getting hammered because of the Ben Smith thing he has been digging about ....... and no its not the nasty t-shirts .....

347 stonemason  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:14:03am

re: #344 JacksonTn

the comment section is blocked here at work for me, I cna only view the front page. I do think that is normal.

348 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:14:47am

re: #336 Moe Katz

I can understand them being excited but so many of my friends are so woefully uninformed or misdirected and seemingly unwilling to learn. It truly makes me sad.

I don't agree completely with Colin Powell but he is an American that I admire. and I understand why he doesn't want to run, but we get Obama?

349 ggt  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:15:51am

Colin Powell is a man of integrity.

350 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:16:37am

re: #349 ggt

Absolutely!

351 Moe Katz  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:16:46am

re: #348 Pvt Bin Jammin

I can understand them being excited but so many of my friends are so woefully uninformed or misdirected and seemingly unwilling to learn. It truly makes me sad.

I don't agree completely with Colin Powell but he is an American that I admire. and I understand why he doesn't want to run, but we get Obama?


Powell would have been fantastic.

352 ggt  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:16:55am

I should have written:

Colin Powell is a many with integrity.

353 Scion9  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:18:20am

re: #328 eddiespaghetti

Right now Afghanistan is actually suffuse with American money. Their economy and infrastructure isn't capable of actually absorbing it though. They have the money but no way of spending it.

This is a problem in Iraq, in Sadr City and elsewhere to some degree. If there is a problem spending money restoring infrastructure in Iraq, finding a way to spend it just to develop it has got to be a nightmare in Afghanistan.

Not to mention the disparity between the overall education and insularity between those two peoples. Iraq is home to one of the world's earliest civilizations and in terms of modernity, is worlds away from Afghanistan, which has pretty much always been a backwater.

354 Killian Bundy  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:18:55am

re: #345 eddiespaghetti

OK, let me ex-plain it 2 u.

The south of Afghanistan is Pashtun, it spills east into Pakistan and is the central front of Al Qaeda. The Pashtun posse is generally bad, although they have a strong code which can b sprung visa-vi sons of Irak with enough blood and gold. The Paki govt is soft and the ISI is rampant with corruption and is in for the bad guys in Afghanistan.

Ground forces (ISAF) in southern afghanistan are led by Canadians, Dutch, Brits, Marines, and are some of the bravest peeps on earf. We have 1/8 the troops in Afghanistan that we have in Iraq, we can do better. Air forces are supreme in south Afghanistan and Eastern too, but it cant win.

So, what's your overarching Afghanistan strategy going forward? I'm seriously curious, you're obviously more informed than I am.

/suitcases filled with cash and timely air strikes knocked the Taliban power base back into Pakistan

355 Scion9  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:22:26am

re: #351 Moe Katz

Powell would have been fantastic.

I like Powell and respect his intelligence and service, but he is also a RINO like McCain from everything I've read about and from him.

After 8-years of Bush, and maybe another 4 of McCain (or god forbid 4-8 of Obama) I'm going to be pining for a real Conservative. I don't want, nor do I think it's good or necessary, for a 'reach across the aisle' kind of guy, especially if the Democrats keeping going further and further left like they have been.

356 Moe Katz  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:26:14am

re: #355 Scion9

I like Powell and respect his intelligence and service, but he is also a RINO like McCain from everything I've read about and from him.

After 8-years of Bush, and maybe another 4 of McCain (or god forbid 4-8 of Obama) I'm going to be pining for a real Conservative. I don't want, nor do I think it's good or necessary, for a 'reach across the aisle' kind of guy, especially if the Democrats keeping going further and further left like they have been.


I'm sure you're not alone in that. He would have faced some of McCain's problems in having to shore up the socially conservative GOP support base. As for me, I'm a moderate and these guys are in my natural comfort zone.

357 eddiespaghetti  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:27:12am

#354, its all about kenitics and non-kinetics. The exciting stuff is kenitic:

Hearts and minds with the non-kinetic side of the house, State department stuff, NGO's, the stuff we suck at:

358 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:30:10am

Wish I wasn't so beat, lizards, but I am fading fast and must say good night. Colin Powell might be a RINO but I admire him immensely. McCain is a RINO too and he has my vote. We don't always get the perfect candidate. I just never thought we'd get this far into the socialist spectrum with our dem candidate.

EddieSpaghetti...welcome home and thanks for your service.

'Nite all.

359 spidly  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:31:05am
360 eddiespaghetti  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:31:38am

Suitcases filled with cash r not a bad idea, worked in the past. Recommend this:

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

361 devnulled  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:33:59am

I gotta say this before the 4th...

To think Senator McCain is *really* playing this wussy Jimmy Carter act right now, I believe is pure nonsense. This is calculated. I do not hold as much mystic reverence towards Rove as I do know full well that Cheney is a lifetime powerhouse of inside politics... and I use the word powerhouse because that is the strongest word I can come up with at the moment. Have you noticed that Cheney has barely said "boo" in the last year? The man has built probably the most effective inside political DC machine that we will never know about. For him to remain as silent as he is means only one thing - everything is right on track. This election is between two factions - The left and their raw agitated people power and Cheney and whatever he has cooking behind the scenes.

I will never understand why even most brainy people deal in what the newsmedia tells us to deal in. I know most of us are here as LGFers solely because the posted articles are mostly outside of, or at the very least ahead of, the MSM. I have spent the last five elections looking elsewhere for actions, reactions, events, non-events and pretty much anything that is an anomaly. Let me tell you that almost every election has a "tell"... which much to my chagrin, I only ever really figure out much later than election day.

On another downside, I cannot explain Murdoch's constant Obama fluffing, nor can I explain why the right simply does not go nuclear with the three dozen different available avenues of ripping the corrupt left a collective new one on the f'ing blatant treasonous acts they get away with every election.

If Obama does win, I will be consumed with the notion that he won because the higher-up GOP wanted him to win for scorched-earth 2012 GOP takeover.

(random brain dump over)

362 spidly  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:35:31am

UPDATE 1-Iran's government fails to end bazaar tax protest

TEHRAN, Oct 12 (Reuters) - A week-long strike against a new value added tax appeared to be spreading in Tehran's bazaar on Sunday, even though the Iranian government suspended the measure for two months, witnesses said.

[Ahmadinejad] ordered a two-month suspension on Friday of the scheme to introduce a three percent VAT rate, following days of protests by shop-owners in bazaars in Iranian cities including Tehran. The tax forms part of wider reforms planned by the government.

363 Killian Bundy  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:36:29am

re: #357 eddiespaghetti

#354, its all about kenitics and non-kinetics. The exciting stuff is kenitic:

[Link: www.liveleak.com...]

Hearts and minds with the non-kinetic side of the house, State department stuff, NGO's, the stuff we suck at:

[Link: www.liveleak.com...]

Excellent, humans can't escape their thermal signature.

/we could break the back of the world heroin trade by just paying off the Afghan growers, it's documented by satellite, I know it's swimming upstream but it's cheaper than fighting it at the domestic level

364 Killian Bundy  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:38:31am

re: #360 eddiespaghetti

Suitcases filled with cash r not a bad idea, worked in the past. Recommend this:

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

/thanks

365 eddiespaghetti  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:39:26am

Kinetics are so fun, seriously!

Seriously, kinetics are only half the battle. With the NYT saying we kill more civi's than we actually do, its a propaganda war.

Our military is the most particular for civilian casualties than any other military in the history of earf. The NYT does not give a F, I can tell U as an operator, it is 4 real.

366 eddiespaghetti  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:40:59am

#364, highly recommend that book. Good stuff. great American.

367 Crux Australis  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:41:22am

I never thought the day would come when I would consider voting Labor in Australia over the Obama led Democrats in the US.

Even Kevin Rudd Labor in Australia is a safer bet than Obama right now.

368 Killian Bundy  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:57:15am

re: #366 eddiespaghetti

#364, highly recommend that book. Good stuff. great American.

FACs rule.

/especially when they're operating armed aerial drones 24/7 from Nevada and California

369 BlueCanuck  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:57:17am

Almost that magical time.

370 ggt  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:59:55am

I think I can finally go back to bed now.

weet dreams all!

371 littleoldlady  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:00:00am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ---------------------->
Help yourselves!

372 littleoldlady  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:00:22am

w00t! :-)

373 BignJames  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:00:28am

I got 0501....she's late.

374 BlueCanuck  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:01:11am

re: #370 ggt
Night ggt, weet dreams.

re: #371 littleoldlady

W000T! Way to go littleoldlady, bang on the button.

/oh yeah, thanks for the fruit cup. :)

375 BignJames  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:01:15am

But that's ok.

376 littleoldlady  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:02:04am

re: #373 BignJames

Your internal clock is off. I hit it on the nose!

BignJames! :-)

BlueCanuck! :-)

377 TheMatrix31  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:02:21am

Right on the nose.

378 eddiespaghetti  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:02:31am

#368 KB, Agree, nothing like killing durkas in the daytime and going home to mom and kids:

[Link: www.airforcetimes.com...]

Bullshit with the "war stress" thing, we love to kill durkas day or night. PBS can say we have big hearts but we love it, we eat it 4 breakfast!

379 thelongblogger  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:02:33am

re: #371 littleoldlady

Fruitcup? That means it's time for bed.

Actually, that means it's long past time for bed.

Thank you, littleoldlady. I'll eat my fruitcup quitly here in my corner and then go get some sleep.

Delicious, as usual...

380 littleoldlady  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:05:03am

TheMatrix31! :-)

thelongblogger! :-)

381 Ledger1  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:06:33am

from [Link: www.yorktownsailor.com:...]

One sunny day in 2009, an old man approached the White House from across Pennsylvania Avenue , where he’d been sitting on a park bench.

He spoke to the Marine standing guard and said, “I would like to go in and meet with President Barack Obama.”

The Marine replied, “Sir, Mr. Obama is not President and doesn”t reside here.”

The old man said, “Okay,” and walked away. The following day, the same man approached the White House and said to the same Marine, “I would like to go in and meet with President Barack Obama.”

The Marine again told the man, “Sir, as I said yesterday, Mr. Obama is not President and doesn’t reside here.” The man thanked him and again walked away.

The third day, the same man approached the White House and spoke to the very same Marine, saying “I would like to go in and meet with President Barack Obama.”

The Marine, understandably agitated at this point, looked at the man and said, “Sir, this is the third day in a row you have been here asking to speak to Mr. Obama. I’ve told you already several times that Mr. Obama is not the President and doesn’t reside here.Don”t you understand?”

The old man answered, “Oh, I understand you fine.I just love hearing your answer!”

The Marine snapped to attention, saluted, and said, “See you tomorrow.”


From Wharf Rat, 10.12.08 - 10:13 pm, at CDR Salamander's blog

382 BlueCanuck  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:08:47am

re: #381 Ledger1

That has to be the fifth version I have heard of that. :)

/1981, Jimmy Carter
/2001 Bill Clinton
/2005 John Kerry
/2009 Hillary Clinton. . . ..

//never gets old.

383 TheMatrix31  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:11:37am

That was awesome.

Say, anyone know why when I click on a post number to open it in a new window, my main window with the loaded thread goes back to the main LGF site?

384 FamHistoryGuy  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:11:40am

good morning LOL. On time, on target.

385 restitutor orbis  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:12:26am

McCain vows to whip Obama's "you know what"

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Whip? Black man? In the same sentence?

Stand by for heavy rolls, methinks tomorrow there will be much wailing, and gnashing of teeth.

Olbermann may even express.....wait for it........."righteous indignation" !

386 littleoldlady  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:12:51am

FamHistoryGuy! :-)

That might be the high point of my day...

387 Killian Bundy  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:14:32am

re: #378 eddiespaghetti

Bullshit with the "war stress" thing, we love to kill durkas day or night. PBS can say we have big hearts but we love it, we eat it 4 breakfast!

/death never sleeps for the Taliban, of course we haven't been to Peshawar yet and no F-22 has done a barrel roll over downtown Tehran

388 Karridine  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:17:37am

re: #383 TheMatrix31

You too?

I'll bet it has something to do with FireFox (you use it?)
OR
FireFox and your mouse driver...

/happens to me, sometimes...

389 eddiespaghetti  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:18:17am

#387, Peshawar is in Pakistan, Tehran is in Iran, and the F-22 is for Air to Air.

390 TheMatrix31  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:19:32am

re: #388 Karridine

You too?

I'll bet it has something to do with FireFox (you use it?)
OR
FireFox and your mouse driver...

/happens to me, sometimes...

Yep, I use Firefox. I'm also having trouble with CTRL + F causing the site to stop responding.

391 fri  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:21:20am

re: #390 TheMatrix31

I'm glad I'm not the only one.

392 FamHistoryGuy  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:31:27am

re: #390 TheMatrix31

CTRL + F works fine for me in FF 3 and Ubuntu

393 Killian Bundy  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:31:55am

re: #389 eddiespaghetti

#387, Peshawar is in Pakistan, Tehran is in Iran, and the F-22 is for Air to Air.

Do you think we can avoid eventually going either place to solve the problem?

Don't sell the Raptor short.

/it's a hyperpower weapon

394 TheMatrix31  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:32:23am

A lot of times, it'll freeze me up after typing one letter. Sometimes it'll work. It's just tough to reload especially with a long thread.

395 Karridine  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:35:32am

re: #390 TheMatrix31

I got FF-3 (point 0-something; at least one update) and was soundly disappointed... I keep it on one partition ONLY to play internet TV so I can get Aussie news (and British Bullsh*t Corp, if necessary) online, now that our TV has been declared officially dead, irreparably unresurrectably DEAD...

And I keep FF-2+ on this partition, BECAUSE unlike FF-3, it continues to run RealPlayer so I can D/Load FLV videos... RealPlayer plug-in does NOT work in FF-3...

I have never used Ctrl-F, watzit dew, Matrix?

396 Killian Bundy  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:36:38am

All avenues to Whirled Peas run through Tehran.

/and that's just a fact

397 TheMatrix31  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:36:51am

It's the search function that allows you to type and find specific words within a page. It's extremely useful.

398 Karridine  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:37:51am

re: #397 TheMatrix31

Oh.

I use Edit... Find Again on the pull-down menu, page top...

399 Karridine  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:38:22am

re: #398 Karridine

Which is Ctrl-G

400 BlueCanuck  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:39:17am

re: #395 Karridine

I have three browsers under Windows XP. Fire Fox 3, Opera 9, and of course the insufferable Internet Exploder 7. Opera became too slow for general use and a couple of my sites are only viewable in IE. Tried FF and liked it. Still use Opera as my e-mail portal. A lot of features in FF and IE 7 were first used in Opera as far back as 2001.

401 Karridine  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:40:13am

re: #396 Killian Bundy

And the Teheranian Iranian Persians have CENTRIFUGES to whirl their peas!

402 Karridine  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:41:57am

re: #400 BlueCanuck

Funny, I d/L'd Opera and installed it, then ended up never even giving it a trial spin...

Or was that some other browser? Gad
Zooks!

403 BlueCanuck  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:44:22am

re: #402 Karridine

I should check to see if there's a later version then the one I have now. Back when FF first came out everyone was raving about it, but I was pushing the joys of Opera as well so there was a bit of a clash of the anti IE joys there. :)

404 Karridine  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:50:04am

re: #403 BlueCanuck

Understand.

FF-2 (latest version) should do, unless you have a function (online TV) or plug-in that needs FF-3.

Otherwise, wait for FF-4.

405 Tigger2005  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:57:58am

re: #385 restitutor orbis

McCain vows to whip Obama's "you know what"

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Whip? Black man? In the same sentence?

Stand by for heavy rolls, methinks tomorrow there will be much wailing, and gnashing of teeth.

Olbermann may even express.....wait for it........."righteous indignation" !

McCain really shouldn't have said that, but it's another one of those things that people will forget about in short order, no matter how much the MSM wails about it. Nobody who could honestly believe McCain is racist is ever going to vote for him anyway.

What I don't like is McCain constantly telegraphing his punches, as well as setting expectations and then not meeting them. He shouldn't say he's going to hammer Obama, he should just do it. And if he does say it, he needs to deliver.

406 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:04:28am

Good morning, Lizards.

407 BlueCanuck  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:05:57am

Morning goddess.

408 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:10:54am

BlueCanuck! How are you doing?

409 BlueCanuck  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:11:53am

re: #408 goddessoftheclassroom

Little bit up, little bit down. Looking forward to my recharge week. Four days to go.

/time to polish the resume as well.

410 rightside  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:12:37am

Morning Lizards!

411 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:16:15am

re: #409 BlueCanuck

Little bit up, little bit down. Looking forward to my recharge week. Four days to go.

/time to polish the resume as well.

Hang in there! I'm glad you have something to look forward to.

That's an aspect about teaching I'd bet most people don't consider. Yes, we can quit in the middle of the year, but we have to give 30 days' notice or risk losing our license. It's next to impossible to find another teaching job at that time, and it's harder to get another position if we've just resigned. The only real option--other than a career change--is to tough it out.

412 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:16:30am

re: #410 rightside

Morning Lizards!

{rightside}! Good morning!

413 BlueCanuck  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:16:42am

Quick question. Is it a holiday today for American lizards as well?

/always get confused at Thanksgiving.

414 rightside  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:17:54am

re: #412 goddessoftheclassroom

{Goddess}

I am back on days for a week, then back to midnights for a couple. I've spent more weeks on an off-shift this entire year, than on days!

415 BlueCanuck  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:18:20am

re: #411 goddessoftheclassroom

heh heh, I am stubborn. One reason I have lasted this long at the present location I am at. But I am not getting any satisfactory responses to my queries, so time to move on. Start the hunt when vacation is done.

416 rightside  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:18:55am

re: #413 BlueCanuck

Today is Columbus day for us here, and Happy Thanksgiving to our fine neighbors to the north!

The children are off from school, and unless you work for the gubmint, you have to work today :^)

417 ledger1  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:22:20am

re: #382 BlueCanuck

Yes, it's still good.

I would have responded sooner but I am using my Frankenstein machine (old dell optiplex from a dumster, I found some PC133, and old seagate HDD and just fired it up). Cost consisted of gas money ($9.00) OS, 5.0.2195, 850 Mhz P3.

The family is using the P4.

418 BlueCanuck  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:22:31am

re: #416 rightside

Ahhh, something similar to Simcoe day here in August. Also used to be known as Civic day for some reason. Governments and banks are closed, all other poor saps have to work.

419 rightside  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:22:55am

We all know what a racist Columbus was... that's why google makes no mention of him on their page. Instead, we are all told that paddington bear is 50 years old today! Whoever that is.

I keep hearing something about Ben Smith having some big story he's sitting on... anyone have a clue? Just rumor?

420 rightside  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:24:40am

re: #418 BlueCanuck

Heh. saps. I tend to call them "those who produce" My co-worker and I correct everyone in the office, when they mention govt money, or anything else related to the budget as actually being money from "those who produce"

421 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:25:56am

re: #413 BlueCanuck

Quick question. Is it a holiday today for American lizards as well?

/always get confused at Thanksgiving.

Your Thanksgiving is far more logical in the beautiful harvest days of October, Ours is the fourth Thursday of November, engineered to give a boost to retailers the next day (seriously! That's why FDR choose it!)

422 Karridine  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:28:15am

re: #420 rightside

That tickles me no end!

"That's not GUBMINT money, its money from PRODUCERS, ennit?"

/soc et tuem! :D

423 BlueCanuck  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:28:54am

re: #421 goddessoftheclassroom

And here I thought that your Thanksgiving was in Novemeber because it was closer to your harvest season. ;)

/seriously.

424 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:32:03am

re: #423 BlueCanuck

And here I thought that your Thanksgiving was in Novemeber because it was closer to your harvest season. ;)

/seriously.

I LOVED the L.M. Montgomery Anne books, and I remember being so confused about descriptions of the lovely fall weather at Thanksgiving. I remember thinking, "In CANADA?"

425 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:33:17am

European stocks going up, DOW Futures up 400.

426 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:35:54am

Dow.

427 rightside  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:36:08am

re: #422 Karridine

Absolutely! The only money gubmint has, is what they extract from those who produce, at confiscatory rates.

You know, you would think that one day, this country would realize all the trillions of $'s they have wasted on various programs. Trillions spent on the war on poverty. Have we won it yet? No. Will we at this clip? No.

Time to teach the people, how to be successful at life. Take responsibility for yourself. Plan ahead. Stop buying unnecessary items, and save your money, etc.

Instead, they give money away from those who produce to those who don't. Can't they see that just giving everything to them, doesn't motivate them to succeed on their own? A very small percentage maybe.

It's all so clear to me now.

428 opnion  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:37:14am

Good Morning Lizard Nation!
Bill Kristal soon to be on FNC. He is claiming that McCain can still win, but that he needs to replace his entire campaign staff.

429 BlueCanuck  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:37:54am

re: #424 goddessoftheclassroom

Believe it or not, we sometimes don't get snow until Christmas. I think this year we will be getting a lot by that time. I lived in Central Ontario, and we got all our major dumpings of snow in the end of December and beginning of January.

430 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:40:25am

re: #429 BlueCanuck

Believe it or not, we sometimes don't get snow until Christmas. I think this year we will be getting a lot by that time. I lived in Central Ontario, and we got all our major dumpings of snow in the end of December and beginning of January.

Our (mid-Atlantic region) Novembers are damp and cloudy, and they are in that just-above-freezing temperature range that makes beng outside next to miserable.

431 Karridine  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:42:25am

re: #427 rightside

"The canopy of Justice rests upon two poles, Reward and Punishment."

There's no justice if right effort goes unrewarded and no justice if wrong goes unpunished.

Get right, we can, but we need the WILL TO RIGHT the injustices, Rightside!

432 Ledger1  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:43:26am

re: #419 rightside

That’s probably why the schools ignore the holiday and government workers enjoy it. We would not want the children to know about Columbus – it would not be PC.

/

433 opnion  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:46:15am

re: #432 Ledger1

That’s probably why the schools ignore the holiday and government workers enjoy it. We would not want the children to know about Columbus – it would not be PC.

/


Bill Ayers had a solution. He founded the 'Peace School" In Chicago, I believe with Annenberg money.
That school celebrated no US holidays, but only counter culture days.

434 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:49:11am

re: #433 opnion

Bill Ayers had a solution. He founded the 'Peace School" In Chicago, I believe with Annenberg money.
That school celebrated no US holidays, but only counter culture days.

Like Google.

435 Ledger1  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:53:19am

re: #433 opnion

Let's hope Ayers gets the Ward Churchill treatment and lands on the sidewalk - where he belongs.

436 rightside  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:55:25am

Off on my .8 mile journey to work. bbiab.

437 opnion  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:56:12am

re: #435 Ledger1

Let's hope Ayers gets the Ward Churchill treatment and lands on the sidewalk - where he belongs.

He would blow up the sidewalk.

438 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:56:21am

Fire the entire staff? This late in the game?

439 yesandno  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:56:29am

re: #435 Ledger1

Let's hope Ayers gets the Ward Churchill treatment and lands on the sidewalk - where he belongs.

Unlike Chutch, Ayers is probably tenured....which is educations equivilant to open hand, fingers spread, with thumbs in ears and waving rapidly.

440 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:56:42am

I've got to get my car battery jumped...grrrrrrrr.

Have a great day, Lizards!

441 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:57:45am

re: #440 goddessoftheclassroom

I've got to get my car battery jumped...grrrrrrrr.

Have a great day, Lizards!

Nutz!

442 opnion  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:57:58am

Bill Kristol is saying that McCain should ignore Obama during the debate & focus on why to elect him.
Is that a good idea?

443 The Archivist  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:58:07am

Throw away pun for the day:

These things pop into my head every so often. ("It's a blessing...and a curse")

Today's: "Para-sailin' with Sarah Palin."

Early morning howdy, and let's pray the markets show some sanity finally.

444 TheMatrix31  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:59:32am

re: #443 The Archivist

Throw away pun for the day:

These things pop into my head every so often. ("It's a blessing...and a curse")

Today's: "Para-sailin' with Sarah Palin."

Early morning howdy, and let's pray the markets show some sanity finally.

Sarah Palin

445 BlueCanuck  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:00:02am

re: #440 goddessoftheclassroom

Later goddess, and best of luck with the battery.

446 Ledger1  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:01:53am

re: #439 yesandno

Hum, but can't they find an excuse to dump him? Or, at least put him in the basement. You know, fire hazard and all.

447 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:03:07am

Hello, old friends. Hey, why didn't you tell me my ass had gotten so big! Some mirror you turned out to be.

448 BlueCanuck  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:04:04am

re: #447 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ummm, we thought you knew already. ;)

/just going by your nic you know.

449 littleO  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:07:05am

Who has just one vote these days? Just go to acorn, and you can register as many times as you like.

450 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:07:06am

re: #439 yesandno

Unlike Chutch, Ayers is probably tenured....which is educations equivilant to open hand, fingers spread, with thumbs in ears and waving rapidly.

Anybody know why "tenured" even became an idea?

451 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:08:09am

Who will protect your freedom: BHO or McCain?

452 Ledger1  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:10:58am

re: #450 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ayers deserves “tenure” in the pen.

453 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:12:58am

Good Morning Lizards!

It is a beautiful morning here in CT. I see that there were 65 new hatchlings last night. Any here now?

454 alien_mind  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:16:36am

re: #428 opnion

Good Morning Lizard Nation!
Bill Kristol soon to be on FNC. He is claiming that McCain can still win, but that he needs to replace his entire campaign staff.


Kristol makes some good points I think. Firing everyone seems a bit extreme, but I think a shakeup at the top is in order and would be a good thing. I also agree that McCain should talk more about himself, and what his administration would do, and actually ignore Obama more.

455 littleO  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:18:14am

I feel a little better, or little feels better, or , something like that, but, I feel today as if McCain does have a chance to win. However, in 2000 & 2004 people voted for Bush because they actually liked him. Hell, I still like him. In this election most who vote for McCain will do so because they distrust BHO. Thats not an ideal situation.

456 NC State of Mind  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:19:07am

re: #442 opnion

Bill Kristol is saying that McCain should ignore Obama during the debate & focus on why to elect him.
Is that a good idea?

Who knows what he should do? Every new thing he tries is instantly subverted by the media as the wrong thing to say or a non-issue. If he brings up Jeremiah Wright, will he be painted as a racist bigot? Probably I know the man must be imminently frustrated by now that nothing is connecting, thanks in most part to the MSM and somewhat to incompetence on the part of his staff.

I called Newsweek last night and told them not to send any more of my subscribtions, that I could not take it anymore. Before I hung up, I told her that if she saw Jon Meacham walking around the building to take my last few issues and shove them up his ass for me. She laughed.

457 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:24:40am

re: #451 MandyManners

Who will protect your freedom: BHO or McCain?

On the surface the answer would certainly be McCain. However, he is no true conservative and this whole idea of the government buying up bad mortgages really bothers me. That being said I will still be voting for McCain because the alternative is definitely far worse.

458 BlueCanuck  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:26:58am

Well time for me to log off. See you folks next time, and stay scaly.

459 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:28:37am

re: #456 NC State of Mind

This treatment of McCain by the media is something that I think McCain hasn't figured out yet. For so long the media fawned over him as there favorite Republican, and they definitely pushed him as the Republican candidate in the primaries. Now all of a sudden they turn on him big time. No surprise for Lizards since this was predicted back during the primaries. Unfortunately McCain never got the memo.

460 Dar ul Harbarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:28:37am
461 NC State of Mind  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:29:11am

re: #457 Ford_Prefect

On the surface the answer would certainly be McCain. However, he is no true conservative and this whole idea of the government buying up bad mortgages really bothers me. That being said I will still be voting for McCain because the alternative is definitely far worse.

Last night I was thinking how people are lamenting the fact that they would kill for Hillary to be on the verge of the presidency and how sad that is. I thought, damn, I'd kill for RON PAUL to be on the verge of winning.

462 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:29:59am

re: #457 Ford_Prefect

On the surface the answer would certainly be McCain. However, he is no true conservative and this whole idea of the government buying up bad mortgages really bothers me. That being said I will still be voting for McCain because the alternative is definitely far worse.

In my opinion, that is not what the question is about. It's about security in the sense that which candidate will keep us safe both here and abroad. And, which candidate will ensure such things as the First and Second Amendments.

463 laZardo  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:31:30am

Good evening, Reptiles! I did a bit of s'plorin and this is one of the Obamatons I'm arguing with.

/fucking serious. Wth.

464 littleO  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:33:31am

Ron Paul's only saving grace is his stance for maintaining the stength in the Dollar. Other than that Paul' is on the 'verge' of being 'hairbrain'.

465 NC State of Mind  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:34:57am

re: #462 MandyManners

I said during the primaries I would pick my canidate solely based on their position on Iran. I hate to be a one issue voter, especially for president, but if any election calls for that kind of thinking it's this one, IMO.

466 rightside  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:35:46am

re: #460 Dar ul Harbarian

They once gave the Nobel peace prize to yasser arafat too. Same thing.

467 laZardo  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:36:03am

re: #464 littleO

Ron Paul is the President of the Internet.

/srsly, lol

468 Luigi  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:36:48am

At a McCain rally the other day there was a volunteer in a campaign shirt who got on the Mike and called Obama an "Arab". McCain has been sensitized over the last week by the new line of media attack calling his and Palin's rallies filled with hated and violence. McCain took the mike from her and responded that Obama “is a decent family man.

This was exactly the red meat the media has been looking for to advance their meme that McCain/Palin supporters are racists and violent. The media descended on this 75-year-old small town grandmother and manipulated some more sugar out of her. It was not hard. Here is the exchange at HuffPo. Note especially how the media acts in consort without even needing any coordination. They can see in an instant what they're got in this woman, and they just know what to do, that they have stumbled on a tool to press exactly the meme du jour.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Here is the media running with the ball:

[Link: news.google.com...]

So far there is no AP involvement. However, this is a good example of how the media sets the agenda and then presses it.

Obviously, this advances the meme that unless you vote for Obama you're a racist. Further, it acts to truncheon the alarming spirit that has marked Palin rallies especially. Clearly, the media wishes to get the McCain campaign itself to dampen that spirit by turning the public to the suggestion that the spirit is akin to a dangerous mob mentality...and racist.

469 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:37:20am

re: #463 laZardo

Good evening, Reptiles! I did a bit of s'plorin and this is one of the Obamatons I'm arguing with.

/fucking serious. Wth.

All I see is a kitty-cat.

470 littleO  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:37:22am

my envy has no bounds!

471 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:38:15am

re: #462 MandyManners

In my opinion, that is not what the question is about. It's about security in the sense that which candidate will keep us safe both here and abroad. And, which candidate will ensure such things as the First and Second Amendments.

I understand that, Mandy. And you are correct about that. There is no question that in terms of national security McCain is the obvious candidate. I only meant that this mortgage thing is one huge step toward socialism and it comes from the Republican candidate. That concerns me greatly; more, in fact, then the socialistic dreams of Obama because the Republicans are suppose to be the people keeping that from happening. Now it looks more like they are just trying to slow it down a little.

472 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:38:16am

Lizards!

I think the gentlemen at Powerline need a crash course in who they're dealing with. Please drop them a line.

[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]

473 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:38:58am

re: #465 NC State of Mind

I said during the primaries I would pick my canidate solely based on their position on Iran. I hate to be a one issue voter, especially for president, but if any election calls for that kind of thinking it's this one, IMO.

Iran=Iraq=Afghanistan=Chavez=FARQ.

474 laZardo  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:39:20am

re: #468 Luigi

Mobys, I'm thinking...

475 laZardo  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:39:55am

re: #469 MandyManners

Probably hasn't gotten its shots, either.

476 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:40:40am

re: #450 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Anybody know why "tenured" even became an idea?

Tenure cuts both ways. I can figuratively and (sometimes literally) give the dull, docile, brutish masses of the lefty faculty herd the finger and there isn't a damn thing they can do about it.

Remember the uproar right after 9-11 when a left conformist dolt at the University of New Mexico declared that anyone who bombed the Pentagon would get his vote? There were the usual denunciations and, like flies on carrion, these were immediately followed by various faculty statements and resolutions supporting the dolt's right to say stupid stuff in public. One such resolution was proposed here at my little campus. I spoke against it: "Ok, whoever brings me this bastard's head, in a bag, on my desk, by this time tomorrow morning; will get my vote." There were scandalized mutterings and I innocently asked what the difference might be. Nobody knew. The resolution did pass, but not by much.

477 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:40:56am

re: #471 Ford_Prefect

I understand that, Mandy. And you are correct about that. There is no question that in terms of national security McCain is the obvious candidate. I only meant that this mortgage thing is one huge step toward socialism and it comes from the Republican candidate. That concerns me greatly; more, in fact, then the socialistic dreams of Obama because the Republicans are suppose to be the people keeping that from happening. Now it looks more like they are just trying to slow it down a little.

Would it be better if the economy utterly collapsed, if retired people lost all their pensions, if businesses couldn't get the LoC they need for payroll and goods, if consumers could not get get credit to buy vehicles or durable goods?

478 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:43:43am

Anyone who gets their information about Gov. Palin is too stupid to pour piss from a boot.

479 laZardo  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:44:51am

Brb, dinnar.

480 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:47:01am

re: #472 Sharmuta

Lizards!

I think the gentlemen at Powerline need a crash course in who they're dealing with. Please drop them a line.

[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]

Morning Sharm.

481 lifeofthemind  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:49:17am

re: #463 laZardo

Good evening, Reptiles! I did a bit of s'plorin and this is one of the Obamatons I'm arguing with.

/fucking serious. Wth.

She says she is in High School. Unless you are also maybe you should just offer her credible sources of information and leave her alone.

482 NC State of Mind  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:51:46am

re: #472 Sharmuta

Lizards!

I think the gentlemen at Powerline need a crash course in who they're dealing with. Please drop them a line.

[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]

The article says Geert Wilders was univited to speak. He's not one of the neo-fascists is he?

483 littleO  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:52:29am

So many lament the supposed death of Capitalism. Yet, understand less clearly economics than therories and 'ISMS . Do not fret for lost freedoms. Freedoms long sense compromised and deluted. For it will be liberty that is at last from us torn.For long has it been socialism for the rich, free enterprize for the poor!

484 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:52:40am

re: #477 MandyManners

Would it be better if the economy utterly collapsed, if retired people lost all their pensions, if businesses couldn't get the LoC they need for payroll and goods, if consumers could not get get credit to buy vehicles or durable goods?

Nothing about this economic situation is good, but on the whole I tend to trust the free market. Only when companies are encouraged by the government to dole out these ridiculous loans did a problem occur. Don't get me wrong, I know that the system isn't perfect, but it is much better when the gov't stays out of it. I am no economist (and I don't play one on TV) so I could very well be completely wrong about all of this, but I don't like the slippery slope toward socialism that we are on right now, that's all.

485 Gus 802  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:54:08am

re: #460 Dar ul Harbarian

Big government socialist columnist economist, Paul Krugman, wins Nobel in Economics.

486 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:55:51am

re: #482 NC State of Mind

The article says Geert Wilders was univited to speak. He's not one of the neo-fascists is he?

NO! He's one of the good guys!

487 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:57:15am

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Here is a plethora of links to research the euro-fascists yourselves- if any of you need the info, that is.

488 Luigi  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:58:33am

Sexism in Philly...

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

489 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:59:36am

re: #480 Ford_Prefect

Hi Ford.

490 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:59:39am

re: #484 Ford_Prefect

Nothing about this economic situation is good, but on the whole I tend to trust the free market. Only when companies are encouraged by the government to dole out these ridiculous loans did a problem occur. Don't get me wrong, I know that the system isn't perfect, but it is much better when the gov't stays out of it. I am no economist (and I don't play one on TV) so I could very well be completely wrong about all of this, but I don't like the slippery slope toward socialism that we are on right now, that's all.

The shit hit the fan before the bail-out was proposed.

491 Serge A. Storms  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:00:50am

Last night on Hannitys America, Sean was asking Geraldine Ferraro if SHE would ever write a blurb for a :terrorists'" book. She said "no, I'd only do that for a really good friend"

Sean missed a golden opportunity to make that point about Obama and Ayers

492 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:01:34am

re: #491 Serge A. Storms

Last night on Hannitys America, Sean was asking Geraldine Ferraro if SHE would ever write a blurb for a :terrorists'" book. She said "no, I'd only do that for a really good friend"

Sean missed a golden opportunity to make that point about Obama and Ayers

Oh, that would've been sweet!

493 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:01:35am

re: #488 Luigi

Sexism in Philly...

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

Stay classy Dem's.

////

494 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:01:51am

re: #491 Serge A. Storms

Cute avatar, Newbie. Welcome to LGF.

495 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:04:36am

re: #488 Luigi

Sexism in Philly...

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

I think I'm getting the vapors. Quick--where are my smelling salts?

496 opnion  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:05:05am

He who He has been waiting for, will give a major "polisah" speech in Toledo today about helping the Middle Class.
I guess that he learned all of that compassion for the Middle Class sitting in the pews at Trinity, listening to Reverend Wright for 20 years.

497 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:05:54am

re: #451 MandyManners

Who will protect your freedom: BHO or McCain?

Depends what you mean by "freedom".

498 littleO  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:06:54am

Gee sharmuta, I'm hurt. You never complimented my football.

499 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:08:42am

Kashkari is a hottie.

500 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:09:10am

re: #490 MandyManners

The shit hit the fan before the bail-out was proposed.

Exactly. But that happened because of the bad loans that those companies were encouraged to give. Generally speaking a company working on its own self interest isn't going to give out a bad loan like that. Only when the gov't steps in and tells them to are they going to do something that ordinarrily they would know better than to do. I think we can probably agree that the government rarely does things better than the public sector, and this is a big part of the public sector's business that McCain is suggesting that Washington get directly involved with. Again, I will vote for McCain, I am just not all that happy with certain aspects of his proposals.

501 NC State of Mind  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:09:33am

re: #493 Ford_Prefect

Stay classy Dem's.

////

Funny. Juxtapose those photographs with Jenanne Gurafullo (sp?) telling Bill Maher last month that Democrats are just genuinely better people than Republicans and Republicans should be jailed.

502 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:09:57am

re: #497 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Depends what you mean by "freedom".

Those protected by the Consitution. Without them, money means little. And, without them, money can't be made except by a few in favor of whichever regime is in place.

503 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:10:44am

re: #500 Ford_Prefect

Exactly. But that happened because of the bad loans that those companies were encouraged to give. Generally speaking a company working on its own self interest isn't going to give out a bad loan like that. Only when the gov't steps in and tells them to are they going to do something that ordinarrily they would know better than to do. I think we can probably agree that the government rarely does things better than the public sector, and this is a big part of the public sector's business that McCain is suggesting that Washington get directly involved with. Again, I will vote for McCain, I am just not all that happy with certain aspects of his proposals.

Beats the alternative.

504 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:12:26am

re: #491 Serge A. Storms

Last night on Hannitys America, Sean was asking Geraldine Ferraro if SHE would ever write a blurb for a :terrorists'" book. She said "no, I'd only do that for a really good friend"

Sean missed a golden opportunity to make that point about Obama and Ayers

Welcome to the Lizard nation Serge. Watch what you say. Mandy is here with her cluebat ready. In fact I expect to be getting hit with it pretty soon. What was I thinking when I started arguing with her this early on a Monday?

What do you say Mandy? Truce?
*hand out for shaking

505 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:13:20am

re: #501 NC State of Mind

Funny. Juxtapose those photographs with Jenanne Gurafullo (sp?) telling Bill Maher last month that Democrats are just genuinely better people than Republicans and Republicans should be jailed.

My next door neighbors are Democrats to the core. They would love to find a way to shut up these "C'word - Jail the Republicans - Troofers". They know how bad it hurts them.

I am a conservative to the core. I would love to find a way to shut up these "Obama is a Muslim, Obama's got a girlfriend, Whitey tape"ers.

Oh, yeah...and Troofers. I'd like to shut them up just for the extra stupidity they seem to have.

506 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:13:52am

re: #502 MandyManners

Amen my sistah from another mistah!

507 jorline  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:14:20am

Good morning, Lizards.

I would like your feedback on an acronym I thought of this morning.

POOP
Party
Of
Obtrusive
Progressives

508 Killian Bundy  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:15:05am

Who the hell is this clown on CNBC talking on behalf of the U.S. government?

/looks like Dracula in need of a liver transplant

509 akak  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:15:34am

Did McCain return the 20k to ACORN yet?

510 yesandno  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:16:04am

re: #451 MandyManners

Who will protect your freedom: BHO or McCain?

Only you can protect your own freedoms.

511 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:16:29am

re: #507 jorline

Good morning, Lizards.

I would like your feedback on an acronym I thought of this morning.

POOP
Party
Of
Obtrusive
Progressives

Morning Jorline. New avatar?

My question is which party are you referring to?
Sorry Mandy. Couldn't resist.

512 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:16:33am

Fox news just showed Obambi telling a supporter that we need to spread the wealth around to ordinary people.

Hitler told his supporters we need to spread the wealth around to ordinary people.


Lennin said: we need to spread the wealth around to ordinary people.
Marx said:

we need to spread the wealth around to ordinary people.

Anyone working in a capitalist job need to pack your frigging bags,

we are coming to get you.
513 opnion  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:16:51am

re: #505 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My next door neighbors are Democrats to the core. They would love to find a way to shut up these "C'word - Jail the Republicans - Troofers". They know how bad it hurts them.

I am a conservative to the core. I would love to find a way to shut up these "Obama is a Muslim, Obama's got a girlfriend, Whitey tape"ers.

Oh, yeah...and Troofers. I'd like to shut them up just for the extra stupidity they seem to have.


Ya know the rumor mill is swirling in Illinois that Barry had girlfriends when he was in Springfield.
I do not know that there is anything to it, but if it is true, so what?
Nobody cares about that. It is personal . ,unlike terrorist friends which goes to ones loyalty.

514 lifeofthemind  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:16:55am

Have any of the San Francisco Lizards commented on this incredible fire?
[Link: www.sfgate.com...]

That would be a great name for a Hockey team or maybe the Burning Lizards? Wonder what the team mascot would be?

515 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:16:56am

re: #510 yesandno

Only you can protect your own freedoms.

Well, I can't deploy forces around the world.

516 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:17:08am

re: #510 yesandno

Only you can protect your own freedoms.

well put. Upding.

517 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:17:20am

bbl

518 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:17:51am

re: #513 opnion

Nothing about him says that to me. But, whatever, don't give a crap.

519 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:18:03am

Good morning Lizards.... Good morning Mandy....

520 pingjockey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:18:23am

Mornin' all. FNC is really hammering this ACORN shit. More light please!

521 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:18:29am

re: #519 doriangrey

Whaddup Yo!

522 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:18:36am

re: #513 opnion

Ya know the rumor mill is swirling in Illinois that Barry had girlfriends when he was in Springfield.
I do not know that there is anything to it, but if it is true, so what?
Nobody cares about that. It is personal . ,unlike terrorist friends which goes to ones loyalty.

Sadly true about the girlfriends and no one caring. Just look at Bill Clinton.

523 lifeofthemind  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:19:06am

Sorry that link was HT Doug at Belmont Club

524 opnion  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:19:26am

re: #518 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nothing about him says that to me. But, whatever, don't give a crap.


Exactly, & who even knows if it's true? Go after him on real stuff.

525 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:19:36am

re: #522 Ford_Prefect

Hell, Palin could show up with a girlfriend and it wouldn't change my vote!

526 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:19:56am

re: #519 doriangrey

Good morning Lizards.... Good morning Mandy....

Morning Dorian.

527 yesandno  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:19:59am

re: #515 MandyManners

Well, I can't deploy forces around the world.

No. But I have a feeling if you could, you would be better at it then most!

528 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:20:22am

re: #525 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hell, Palin could show up with a girlfriend and it wouldn't change my vote!

Hell, I would vote twice for that. ;-)

529 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:20:31am

re: #521 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Whaddup Yo!

I'm a looking Minnesota, but feeling California... I'm out shine...out shine... out shining ya'll... ;)

530 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:21:17am

re: #528 Ford_Prefect

Hell, I would vote twice for that. ;-)

get out the vote!

531 pingjockey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:21:25am

Ha! Michelle Malkin says the IRS should go after the Acorn nuts tax exempt status cause they aren't non-partisan. D'oh!

532 Beach Lover  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:21:55am

Good morning. lizards. Saw Bill Krystal on F&F this morning, and wondered how he thinks McCain firing his campaign coordinators would be a good thing?! To me that would be a kiss of death to his already fledgling campaign. It would show that he can't do or say anything unless he is "released" to. Comeon...doesn anyone really think that? If he fires anyone now, he's toast.

533 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:21:55am

re: #525 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hell, Palin could show up with a girlfriend and it wouldn't change my vote!

ROTFLMAO..... Hell now wouldn't that put a hugh spot light on the dems hypocrisy....

534 opnion  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:22:14am

re: #522 Ford_Prefect

Sadly true about the girlfriends and no one caring. Just look at Bill Clinton.

I am not sure that it is fair game. Clintons issue was perjury.
The Left would never accept that. They kept screaming that "It's just about sex!" It was only in the sense that he perjured himself in a sexual harassment trial.

535 jorline  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:22:18am

re: #511 Ford_Prefect

Morning Jorline. New avatar?

My question is which party are you referring to?
Sorry Mandy. Couldn't resist.

Good morning, Ford...yes, new avatar.

I saw the flip flops in the store window and just had to get them...can't afford shoes anymore...lol

Sorry about that...the acronym is for the LLL.

536 rightside  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:22:33am

re: #519 doriangrey

Morning dorian! ping!

537 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:22:35am

re: #527 yesandno

No. But I have a feeling if you could, you would be better at it then most!

And accidentally send the press plane in another direction. She'd only need about a three to four hour lead to finish up and win the damn thing before the plane carrying photographers and reporters got there.

538 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:23:24am

re: #536 rightside

Morning dorian! ping!

rightside.................. Morning dude.......... ;)

539 Killian Bundy  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:23:24am

Hey, the jaundiced Treasury dude is actually making sense.

/he's still yellow in skin color

540 pingjockey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:23:37am

re: #536 rightside
Back at ya!

541 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:24:31am

re: #540 pingjockey

Back at ya!

Morning ping.....

542 Scion9  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:25:01am

re: #484 Ford_Prefect

Nothing about this economic situation is good, but on the whole I tend to trust the free market. Only when companies are encouraged by the government to dole out these ridiculous loans did a problem occur. Don't get me wrong, I know that the system isn't perfect, but it is much better when the gov't stays out of it. I am no economist (and I don't play one on TV) so I could very well be completely wrong about all of this, but I don't like the slippery slope toward socialism that we are on right now, that's all.

You aren't wrong. Logic, and the free market, would dictate that if I wanted to walk into a bank with no credit history, no pre-existing bank accounts, no address and walk out with enough money to put down for a house, I'd probably want to bring a mask, a gun and a few accomplices to get it done. With normal regulations being circumvented people were getting loans thrown at them, and when they weren't they could always get ACORN lawyers like Barack Obama to strong arm the banks into giving them anyway. No get away driver needed.

543 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:25:12am

I want some freakin' dings on 537 dammit!

544 opnion  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:25:15am

McCain now down 4% among "Likley Voters" according to FNC.
That would not take much of a shift to turn it.
The polls are all over the place.

545 pingjockey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:25:36am

re: #541 doriangrey
Mornin'. Your Chargers showed up last night! My Seahawks look like an ER ward!

546 NC State of Mind  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:25:54am

re: #532 Beach Lover

I would think so. I also thought that when Kerry fired his campaign manager after Iowa in 2004, and that immediately turned everything around for him.

But with McCain, the media will report that he is making the wrong decision by not firing the incompetents. Then, as soon as he fires them they will report he is flailing around with no consistent message.

547 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:26:17am

re: #543 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I want some freakin' dings on 537 dammit!

OK.... and 525......

548 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:26:24am

re: #544 opnion

How could anyone be un-decided at this point. Shouldn't we be allowed to have them vote in "placebo booths"?

549 pingjockey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:27:01am

re: #543 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Quit yer bitchin'.

550 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:27:16am

re: #545 pingjockey

Mornin'. Your Chargers showed up last night! My Seahawks look like an ER ward!

ROTFLMAO.... And I forgot to watch.... Had a terrible headache.... Went to bed early.... Hope they won.....

551 NC State of Mind  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:27:34am

re: #548 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

548>527, so it got dinged.

Placebo booths for stupid youths!

552 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:28:01am

re: #549 pingjockey

K. Just found out I have to go out of town again. I work out of my home! Have spent 20 of my last 40 nights in damn hotels.
AAARRRGGGGHHHHH!

553 jorline  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:28:04am

Or POOP could be...Party Of Outraged Progressives.

New Yorkers outraged over a Pro-McCain march. Not being from NY, I couldn't believe their reaction. This will wake you up on a Monday morning.

554 pingjockey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:28:11am

re: #550 doriangrey
They beat the Pats like a gong.

555 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:28:13am

re: #551 NC State of Mind

548>527, so it got dinged.

Placebo booths for stupid youths!

+ ding....

556 opnion  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:28:22am

re: #548 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How could anyone be un-decided at this point. Shouldn't we be allowed to have them vote in "placebo booths"?


If you are undecided at this point, your answer to most questions is, huh?
I agree with you, the "Undecided's want a little attention."

557 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:29:01am

re: #554 pingjockey

They beat the Pats like a gong.

w00t...w00t.... About time they won a frickin game.... ;)

558 pingjockey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:29:05am

re: #553 jorline
They are sooo tolerant of other views. /////

559 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:29:32am

re: #551 NC State of Mind

(thanks. i never get dings. getting a dinger complex)

560 Beach Lover  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:29:34am

re: #512 ibmkeyboard

this is typical speech, isn't it. Just like "middle class". We all think they are talking to us, until it comes time to get the promised (fill in the blank).

561 jorline  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:29:46am

re: #543 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I want some freakin' dings on 537 dammit!

done

562 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:29:51am

re: #552 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

K. Just found out I have to go out of town again. I work out of my home! Have spent 20 of my last 40 nights in damn hotels.
AAARRRGGGGHHHHH!

Poor baby...... Ya want some cheese to go with that whine?

563 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:30:00am

re: #544 opnion

McCain now down 4% among "Likely Voters" according to FNC.
That would not take much of a shift to turn it.
The polls are all over the place.

4 %, Obambi is going down!

We baby boomers were pissed about losing our retirement,
until blogs finally figured out who did it.

78 million boomers are pissed,
Mr. Bambi.

564 laZardo  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:30:18am

re: #481 lifeofthemind

College, but it's an art college (industrial design major.)

565 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:30:26am

re: #562 doriangrey

I like cheese! Yes!

566 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:31:05am

re: #565 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I like cheese! Yes!

ROTFLMAO........Why am I not surprised..... ;)

567 3 wood  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:31:09am

Good orning folks.

Things are shaping up for (hopefully) a positive day in the market.

The DOW futures were up about 400 points over night, the Asia markets are up, I hear from my broker friends that just about all the cleaning up of margin accounts was done last week, and there is a general feeling that the bottom was reached last Friday.

LIBOR also eased slightly overnight so there is a lot of positive news out there to move the market into positive territory. After 8 straight days of large drops, it would be about time.

568 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:31:11am

re: #542 Scion9

Exactly. My wife and I were in the house market a couple of years ago (we decided to wait) and were pre-approved for about 100 grand more than we could ever have afforded. We at least were aware of that and didn't even consider using all of that. Too many people have not used that same common sense and now find themselves in deep sh*t. Should we be bailing them out? I don't really think so. It might hurt us for a while, but not for nearly as long as it will hurt if we get into a situation where Washington is the biggest mortgage holder in the country.

569 HoosierHoops  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:31:14am

re: #550 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO.... And I forgot to watch.... Had a terrible headache.... Went to bed early.... Hope they won.....


Good Morning Lizards!
Dorian.. I posted something last night to the effect that first thing monday Morning Dorian is going to be all happy today and talking smack about the chargers..Well Dorian? What about them Colts?
LOL

570 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:31:39am

re: #566 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO........Why am I not surprised..... ;)

/throws FVB some really stinky Gouda cheese....

571 laZardo  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:32:05am

re: #537 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Then one of them says "everyone's tired of fighting, they want things to stop" and it all goes to shit.

/pessimist

572 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:32:06am

re: #543 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I want some freakin' dings on 537 dammit!

You betcha!

573 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:32:12am

re: #560 Beach Lover

this is typical speech, isn't it. Just like "middle class". We all think they are talking to us, until it comes time to get the promised (fill in the blank).

Yeah,
"middle class" tax cuts.

lol

574 opnion  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:32:27am

I would encurage any voter on 11/4 as they enter the booth to imagine,
"First Lady Michelle Obama", nuff said.

575 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:33:10am

re: #569 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!
Dorian.. I posted something last night to the effect that first thing monday Morning Dorian is going to be all happy today and talking smack about the chargers..Well Dorian? What about them Colts?
LOL

Sorry, went to bed early with a terrible headache, didn't watch the game, cant crow about it because I didn't see it... ;(

576 3 wood  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:33:33am

Hong Kong stocks flare up to jump over 10%

HONG KONG (MarketWatch) -- Hong Kong stocks shot sharply higher in afternoon trading Monday, recouping some of the steep losses from the previous week amid efforts by governments around the world to find a solution to the global financial crisis.
The Hang Seng Index surged 1,515.29 points, or 10.2%, to end at 16,312.16, after losing more than 16% in the previous week. The index is still down 41.4% in 2008.

A lot of that was probably speculators covering short positions, but still it's good news anyway.

577 jorline  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:33:56am

re: #558 pingjockey

They are sooo tolerant of other views. /////

lmao...exactly, ping...that's why I like this POOP acronym
Party Of Obtrusive Progressives.

Good morning to you ping.

578 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:34:16am

re: #571 laZardo

Then one of them says "everyone's tired of fighting, they want things to stop" and it all goes to shit.

/pessimist

That's my point! By that time, it's over. Bad guys guts all over the place.

Mandy Manners Secretary of Defense!

579 jorline  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:34:32am

re: #569 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!
Dorian.. I posted something last night to the effect that first thing monday Morning Dorian is going to be all happy today and talking smack about the chargers..Well Dorian? What about them Colts?
LOL

Good morning, HH.

580 laZardo  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:34:32am

re: #576 3 wood

They see the blood on the streets, and come out swinging.

581 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:34:48am

re: #576 3 wood

Hong Kong stocks flare up to jump over 10%

A lot of that was probably speculators covering short positions, but still it's good news anyway.

Great news...sort of... It's great the market has reached bottom and is recovering..... Terrible that I dont have any money to invest..... ;(

582 HoosierHoops  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:35:13am

re: #575 doriangrey

Sorry, went to bed early with a terrible headache, didn't watch the game, cant crow about it because I didn't see it... ;(

Sorry to hear that..Well Chargers look good..and the Colts destroyed the #1 defense in the league...

583 pingjockey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:35:55am

re: #577 jorline
Mornin' to you too! Ha! I'm thinking of that giant goose or whatever it was with the sign "just poop".

584 jorline  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:35:57am

Good morning dorian and 3 wood.

585 HoosierHoops  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:36:07am

re: #579 jorline

Good Morning Jorline! How did your weekend go?

586 Luigi  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:36:29am

Look at these stock futures...

[Link: money.cnn.com...]

Now that the ban on short selling has expired, the traders' hands are untied. They are set to show us what they've got. And what they're got is the juice to oil the economy. There are a lot of bargains out there now, oil prices are low, and the markets are undervalued.

The only thing that can send us straight down again is if somebody convinces the president to try to "do something" again. If that happens, the traders will yet again not know what anything is worth. Or, if Nancy Pelosi or Reid reconvenes Congress to try to "do something." If Reid and Pelosi try to muck with the economy between now and election day it will be for one purpose -- to send the economy down, down, down.

Enjoy it while it lasts...
[Link: upload.wikimedia.org...]

587 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:36:34am

re: #582 HoosierHoops

Sorry to hear that..Well Chargers look good..and the Colts destroyed the #1 defense in the league...

So the Chargers hang on by the skin of their teeth.... For at least one more week.... That's pretty good news I guess.... ;)

588 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:37:07am

re: #584 jorline

Good morning dorian and 3 wood.

And a very good morning to you as well jorline.....

589 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:37:20am

re: #569 HoosierHoops

Morning HH.

Morning 3.

590 jorline  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:38:40am

re: #585 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Jorline! How did your weekend go?

Well, thanks, but my Cowboy's sucked...worst game I've ever seen. I'm almost ready to put Tony Romo in the same camp as Danny White...lol

591 opnion  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:38:52am

Some elderly woman at a McCain rally claims that BHO is an Arab & a Muslim, & the MSM goes nuts. They claim that McCain was not forceful enough.
Then you look at the vile crap going on my BHO supporters in Philly against Palin & you know, It's just free speech.

592 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:39:01am

Just watch the voters come up the driveway to the polling place. They stop and talk to the Obama guy and listen to what he has to say. They stop and talk to the McCain guy and listen to what he has to say. They go back to the Obama person, then back to the McCain, approach the station still looking confused...

"Right this way sir. No, those aren't the real booths, this one over here...outside...next to the dumpster...yep. Step right in and cast your vote."

Ballot drops into the dumpster.

"Oh happy days when miracles take place...
And fat bastards control the human race..."

(apologies to Al Capp)

593 HoosierHoops  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:39:01am

re: #589 Ford_Prefect

Morning HH.

Morning 3.

What's up Ford?

594 right_on_target  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:39:56am

Didn't Obama campaign for his "cousin" Odinga? On the US taxpayer's dime?
What happened to the investigation by Dr Jerome Corsi ?
Kenya article

595 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:40:13am

re: #590 jorline

Well, thanks, but my Cowboy's sucked...worst game I've ever seen. I'm almost ready to put Tony Romo in the same camp as Danny White...lol

I'm afraid Tony was a bit lucky, and now we have written checks that his talent can't cash. I sure hope I'm wrong.

596 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:40:45am

re: #593 HoosierHoops

What's up Ford?

Not my retirement savings, that's for sure. What's up with you?

597 opnion  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:41:17am

re: #594 right_on_target

Didn't Obama campaign for his "cousin" Odinga? On the US taxpayer's dime?
What happened to the investigation by Dr Jerome Corsi ?
Kenya article

Why yes he did. BHO & Odinga were joined at the hip for six days & we paid for the trip.

598 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:41:18am

re: #586 Luigi

Look at these stock futures...

[Link: money.cnn.com...]

Now that the ban on short selling has expired, the traders' hands are untied. They are set to show us what they've got. And what they're got is the juice to oil the economy. There are a lot of bargains out there now, oil prices are low, and the markets are undervalued.

The only thing that can send us straight down again is if somebody convinces the president to try to "do something" again. If that happens, the traders will yet again not know what anything is worth. Or, if Nancy Pelosi or Reid reconvenes Congress to try to "do something." If Reid and Pelosi try to muck with the economy between now and election day it will be for one purpose -- to send the economy down, down, down.

Enjoy it while it lasts...
[Link: upload.wikimedia.org...]

Despite what the dems have been screaming for the last eight years the prez is pretty damed smart, he aint going to fuck with a good thing. Pelosi and Reid on the other hand would dearly love to torpedo the economy for partisian gain.

599 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:41:26am

re: #595 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm afraid Tony was a bit lucky, and now we have written checks that his talent can't cash. I sure hope I'm wrong.

The Pat's would take him right now.

600 jorline  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:41:50am

Great site to watch the world markets. All countries are listed...looks good so far...check out Italy.

601 NC State of Mind  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:41:51am

re: #590 jorline

Well, thanks, but my Cowboy's sucked...worst game I've ever seen. I'm almost ready to put Tony Romo in the same camp as Danny White...lol

Yeah, that sucked yesterday. I'm sure realwest will be stoked about the Giants being alone atop the divison.

How long since we've won a playoff game? Fifteen years?

602 jorline  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:43:25am

re: #595 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm afraid Tony was a bit lucky, and now we have written checks that his talent can't cash. I sure hope I'm wrong.

Agree FVB...hell, Romo even gift wrapped the game for the Cardinals.

603 littleO  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:43:51am

Fox News can bash away. Along with Rush, Laura, Michelle, Ann and us can make legit claims against 'the one'. The problem is for all of our efforts we only reach 10 to 20 million people. The good thing is that so many are, or become, conservative minded as they gain responsibility. But, the thought of campaign promises come true.Or, the beliefs stoked by political emphasis on envy and injustise turns out many votes.

604 jorline  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:44:47am

re: #601 NC State of Mind

Yeah, that sucked yesterday. I'm sure realwest will be stoked about the Giants being alone atop the divison.

How long since we've won a playoff game? Fifteen years?

Tooooooooooooo long. Like I said: Tony Romo=Danny White.

605 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:44:49am

Iraqi government fuels 'war for oil' theories by putting reserves up for biggest ever sale

I really don't have a problem with this. I'd like some preferential treatment on the bidding though!

606 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:44:51am

re: #600 jorline

Great site to watch the world markets. All countries are listed...looks good so far...check out Italy.

Wow... great site... bookmarked it.... thanks.....

607 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:45:51am

Good late morning kids. Had fun hanging out with Loflyer and Doppelganglander last night -- any ATL lizards around? If so you need to join us at a local bastion of the Demonrat party and talk loudly about what a pathetic wraith Obamamamamamamamama is.

608 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:46:19am

re: #607 Lucius Septimius

LUCIUS!

609 Ledger1  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:46:31am

re: #512 ibmkeyboard

Obambi telling a supporter that we need to spread the wealth around to ordinary people. –ibmkeyboard

Obambi: Hey you with the homeless sign, you are blocking my limo!

Get out of the way!

I have to catch my private jet to Chicago to meet with Soros!

No. I don’t have time for you and I don’t have any spare change!

610 jorline  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:46:41am

bbl

611 Killer Tomato  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:46:48am

Ah - a glorious morning here in the old Granite State!
No work today, sunshine, warm temps expected (high 60s), and the trees are aflame with their usual autumnal colors.
(yeah, yeah, I know - racist!)

612 realwest  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:46:52am

Well all y'all - good morning from a cool (55 degrees going up to 79 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone this morning?

613 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:47:13am

re: #609 Ledger1

Obambi telling a supporter that we need to spread the wealth around to ordinary people. –ibmkeyboard

Obambi: Hey you with the homeless sign, you are blocking my limo!

Get out of the way!

I have to catch my private jet to Chicago to meet with Soros!

No. I don’t have time for you and I don’t have any spare change!

To make it worse, it was BHO's brother!

614 3 wood  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:47:19am

re: #584 jorline

Good morning dorian and 3 wood.

Good morning. Sorry for the delay, was eating breakfast with Mrs. 3 wood.

615 3 wood  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:47:47am

re: #589 Ford_Prefect

Hi Ford

616 Beach Lover  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:48:00am

re: #574 opnion

I would encurage any voter on 11/4 as they enter the booth to imagine,
"First Lady Michelle Obama", nuff said.


just the thought of the pair of them scares the stuffin' out of me! Can't remember the last time I have voted against someone with such vigor. I cringe when I see McCain speak. Last week in the debate, I thought he looked like a doddering old man(and I'm old enough I can say that). But, Obama makes.my.skin.crawl!

617 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:48:18am

re: #607 Lucius Septimius

Good late morning kids. Had fun hanging out with Loflyer and Doppelganglander last night -- any ATL lizards around? If so you need to join us at a local bastion of the Demonrat party and talk loudly about what a pathetic wraith Obamamamamamamamama is.

Good morning Lucius... sounds like you guys had a great time....

618 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:48:26am

Mornin' Wood.

No bad news today! Just happy talk! (fingers in ears, la la la la la)

619 realwest  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:48:50am

re: #615 3 wood
Good morning 3 wood - how are you today?

620 laZardo  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:48:54am

re: #612 realwest

Midterms approaching. Fun. 8D

621 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:48:55am

re: #612 realwest

Well all y'all - good morning from a cool (55 degrees going up to 79 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone this morning?

Good morning real.... Feeling almost human this morning, how about yourself?

622 reine.de.tout  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:49:16am

Good morning, all!

Does anyone need coffee?

623 opnion  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:49:37am

re: #616 Beach Lover

just the thought of the pair of them scares the stuffin' out of me! Can't remember the last time I have voted against someone with such vigor. I cringe when I see McCain speak. Last week in the debate, I thought he looked like a doddering old man(and I'm old enough I can say that). But, Obama makes.my.skin.crawl!

Yup, we could have Thing One & Thing Two in the White House.
McCain is no bargain, but by comparison..........

624 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:49:39am

re: #618 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mornin' Wood.

No bad news today! Just happy talk! (fingers in ears, la la la la la)

Fingers? you have fingers? Who would have thunk it... lol...lol...lol...

625 Dasher  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:49:40am

As nations pour tons of cash in to the market place, can hyper-inflation be far behind?

626 Killer Tomato  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:50:21am

re: #612 realwest

Well all y'all - good morning from a cool (55 degrees going up to 79 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone this morning?

Very well, thanks!
Enjoying a cup of coffee, catching up here, and contemplating taking a bike (bicycle) ride later today.

627 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:50:22am

re: #612 realwest

Well all y'all - good morning from a cool (55 degrees going up to 79 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone this morning?

Morning Real.

628 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:50:31am

re: #622 reine.de.tout

Good morning, all!

Does anyone need coffee?

Hmmmmm, that soooooo resembles me having my first cup of the day..... ;)

629 reine.de.tout  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:50:37am

re: #612 realwest

Well all y'all - good morning from a cool (55 degrees going up to 79 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone this morning?

good morning, realwest! Good to see you here sounding chipper!

630 rightside  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:51:06am

re: #622 reine.de.tout

OMFG! now that's funny!

631 reine.de.tout  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:51:08am

re: #628 doriangrey

Hmmmmm, that soooooo resembles me having my first cup of the day..... ;)

I thought it might.

632 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:51:46am

Hey! WooHoo! We have no stock market today!

Columbus day sales everywhere!

(doing my part).

633 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:51:49am

re: #631 reine.de.tout

I thought it might.

ROTFLMAO...................................... So right you were..... ;)

634 realwest  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:51:54am

re: #607 Lucius Septimius
Hey good morning Lucius! Uh why are y'all hanging around down there: a pathetic wraith Obama is, but he's THEIR pathetic wraith, you, you..........racist! LOL!

635 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:52:25am

re: #609 Ledger1

Obambi telling a supporter that we need to spread the wealth around to ordinary people. –ibmkeyboard

Obambi:

I have to catch my private jet to Chicago to meet with Soros!

No. I don’t have time for you and I don’t have any spare change!

ha.
probably all I will have left.

President Obama, could you please spare a dime?
We are naming our new tent city after you!

636 Beach Lover  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:52:33am

re: #586 Luigi
They will probably try to take credit for the rebound...just like they will now try to say..."drill now"? Look at that, the prices are dropping and we didn't have to do anything!
*spit*

637 3 wood  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:53:04am

re: #625 Dasher

As nations pour tons of cash in to the market place, can hyper-inflation be far behind?

With the contraction in money supply due to the credit crisis, we will be lucky to not have deflation, let alone inflation.

638 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:53:10am

re: #636 Beach Lover

Drill baby drill!

639 Killian Bundy  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:53:14am

Wow, Bob just taught Kitten Bill one of the hard lessons of cat life.

/beware that I might grab you and rake you with the double hind leg claw pump

640 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:53:27am

re: #634 realwest

Hey good morning Lucius! Uh why are y'all hanging around down there: a pathetic wraith Obama is, but he's THEIR pathetic wraith, you, you..........racist! LOL!

I'm shocked... shocked I tell you........... lol...lol...lol...

641 OldLineTexan  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:53:35am

re: #632 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey! WooHoo! We have no stock market today!

Columbus day sales everywhere!

(doing my part).

Praise be to a Dead White Male for a day without the US stock market.

Of course, it may be badly placed, but them's the breaks.

642 reine.de.tout  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:53:51am

re: #630 rightside

OMFG! now that's funny!

That's Dorian in the a.m.

643 HoosierHoops  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:54:04am

re: #612 realwest

Well all y'all - good morning from a cool (55 degrees going up to 79 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone this morning?


good morning RealWest!
Giants are kicking butt and Peyton destroyed the #1 defense in Football..
Manning vs. Manning in the SuperBowl..you heard it here first..

644 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:54:12am

Kinda hungry. Hmmm. (stares into kitchen)....

645 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:54:13am

One thing about the election that could be key: the difference between registered voters and people who actually vote. Obama's key support comes from sectors of the population that don't vote, mainly the lefty youth and minorities. In some minority districts in Atlanta, for example, voter turn out rarely tops 5%; that's lots of folks who are registered and eligible who just don't show up. As for the much-vaunted "youth vote," previous election place the 18-25 vote at about 56%, as opposed to 75-80% turn out for the over-40 crowd. And within that cadre are the military votes which ain't going for Obama. The point is that the 18-25 left-radical vote is negligable; counting for probably no more than 3-4 percent. Obama's "lead," in other words (one still largely within the margin of error) may well evaporate totally based on the non-participation of a number of his key supporters.

Actually, the stronger he looks in the polls, the worse his chances -- apathy sets in among his key cadres.

Meanwhile, on the other other side, Republicans need to take heart and not adopt a defeatist attitude. As I've said all along, the media strategy is the Panhandle strategy -- do to the nation what they did to the voters in the Florida Panhandle back in 2000: convince conservatives that the election is lost so that they won't vote. Enough people stayed home in west Florida in 2000 to almost tilt Florida to Gore; had the media not announced Florida for Gore at 7:00 PM Eastern Time, the folks in the Central Time Zone would have gone out and voted -- and Bush would have picked up between 30,000 and 40,000 votes. That strategy is in play again, but is being applied to the whole country. Don't buy the hype.

Unless you're and Obamamama supporter, in which case buy it -- the election is yours! Stay home!

646 arizona9  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:54:21am

Anyone else just watch Axelrod on MSNBC? He's calling out Palin for not wrestling an audience member to the ground. He said it is her 'pattern' to purposely make people scream hateful things. Grrr.

Hey, anyone know what comment of Axelrod's about a McCain spokesman on some conference call they were talking about?

647 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:54:34am

re: #608 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Dude. What's shakin'?

648 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:54:37am

re: #609 Ledger1

No. I don’t have time for you and I don’t have any spare change!

I just hope the voters on 11-4 spare us from his change.

649 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:54:43am

re: #637 3 wood

With the contraction in money supply due to the credit crisis, we will be lucky to not have deflation, let alone inflation.

Personally I happen to feel that a moderate amount of deflation would be a good thing. But what do I know, I'm no economist.... ;)

650 realwest  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:54:52am

re: #622 reine.de.tout
Hey reine! Did someone say coffee?
[Link: www.imeem.com...]
How are you doing today?

651 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:54:54am

re: #612 realwest

Hey Real. Sent you a note.

652 HoosierHoops  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:55:32am

re: #642 reine.de.tout

That's Dorian in the a.m.

LOL
Yup.. I think that is dorian

653 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:55:49am

re: #647 Lucius Septimius

Dude. What's shakin'?

Four cheeks and a couple'a chins!

654 realwest  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:56:24am

re: #620 laZardo
Oh good - you get to show them what a smart well read young man you are!
;')

655 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:56:29am

re: #634 realwest

Hey good morning Lucius! Uh why are y'all hanging around down there: a pathetic wraith Obama is, but he's THEIR pathetic wraith, you, you..........racist! LOL!

Heh. It's fun watching the black-turtleneck brigade burst blood vessels when you say things like "I think Palin is great! and your candidate is an empty suit"

656 3 wood  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:56:44am

More good signs:

Three-month dollar borrowing rate eases slightly

LONDON (MarketWatch) -- The cost of borrowing U.S. dollars for three months eased Monday. The London interbank offered rate, or Libor, for three-month loans fell to 4.7525%, news reports said, from 4.81875% on Friday. There was no overnight dollar Libor fixing due to the U.S. Columbus Day holiday.

Still a long way to go in the LIBOR spread, but at least there was some movement back.

657 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:57:08am

Saw a cartoon one time...

Waiter (holding coffee pot), "Decaf sir?".
Customer, "Why, I ought to beat the hell out of you!"

658 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:57:09am

re: #652 HoosierHoops

LOL
Yup.. I think that is dorian

I just want to know who got that pic of me in one of my finer moments..... lol...lol... :)

659 Dasher  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:57:14am

re: #632 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey! WooHoo! We have no stock market today!

Columbus day sales everywhere!

(doing my part).

Open here in 33 more minutes

660 realwest  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:57:46am

re: #621 doriangrey
Good morning dorian - I'm glad to hear that - I'm doing ok, just a slight bad back from either sleeping on my back or too much time at the keyboard here...........hmmm.............wonder which one it is?!

661 reine.de.tout  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:57:49am

re: #650 realwest

Hey reine! Did someone say coffee?
[Link: www.imeem.com...]
How are you doing today?

Thanks for the tune! Goes well with my cuppa coffee, even though it isn't folger's.

I'm doing just fine, thank you.

662 Karridine  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:58:02am

re: #596 Ford_Prefect

"What's up?

We ain't...

Here, try some of this Rhode Apple Red..."

663 Ledger1  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:58:52am

re: #598 doriangrey

As you probably know short selling can be hazardous. If done in a fast up market it will actually accelerate the up-ward move - a short squeeze.

As the short seller realizes he is wrong he desperately tries to go long at any price. This can cause other short sellers to do the same as stock prices climb.

664 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:58:58am

re: #656 3 wood

Howdy pardner. How's tricks? Semester treating you well?

665 3 wood  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:59:12am

re: #649 doriangrey

Personally I happen to feel that a moderate amount of deflation would be a good thing. But what do I know, I'm no economist.... ;)

What you really want is stable prices. Deflation can be just as destructive (see: real estate market) as inflation.

Also, the drop in oil prices has a positive effect of increasing discretionary income.

666 realwest  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:59:22am

re: #626 Killer Tomato
A bike ride? Whoa, that sounds like fun! How's about riding a few extra miles for me - just so I can see the scenary in the Granite State (which state is that again?!)?

667 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:59:30am

re: #660 realwest

Good morning dorian - I'm glad to hear that - I'm doing ok, just a slight bad back from either sleeping on my back or too much time at the keyboard here...........hmmm.............wonder which one it is?!

Meh.... cant be the keyboard.... Everybody knows sitting at a keyboard for long extended amounts of time adds tremendously to ones virility...... ;)

668 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:59:31am

re: #645 Lucius Septimius

I agree with everything you wrote except about the minority voting record. I think that this election that will be a much higher percentage, unless, like you said, they think he is a lock and they don't bother to go.

669 laZardo  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:59:49am

re: #654 realwest

Especially when they involve designing products intended for consumption by brainwashed capitalist puppets. (`;

/Che Guevara is a capitalist icon, think about it... 8D

670 realwest  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:00:12am

re: #627 Ford_Prefect
Morning, Ford.
Why do I think we each sound like Gary Cooper out here?!

671 SagamoreGal  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:00:36am

'Mornin' Lizards. Prayed last night about my *really* negative feelings toward McCain, which are preventing me from wanting to "get out the vote." Week is starting about much better as I saw my first PUMA bumper stickers on the way to work this morning.

"My other car is a PUMA" right beside a red and white lettered sticker reading "Blue Sucks".

Go get 'em PUMA's.

672 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:00:43am

re: #653 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Four cheeks and a couple'a chins!

lol

673 OldLineTexan  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:00:44am
674 3 wood  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:00:56am

re: #664 Lucius Septimius

Howdy pardner. How's tricks? Semester treating you well?

Yeah, pretty well. Taught full time for a few weeks filling in for a sick friend. Very interesting term ti teach investmetns, given the stock market.

How you been?

675 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:01:43am

re: #665 3 wood

What you really want is stable prices. Deflation can be just as destructive (see: real estate market) as inflation.

Also, the drop in oil prices has a positive effect of increasing discretionary income.

Yep -- spending at the margins should go up, which helps. Gas prices 'round here have dropped more than a dollar in the past week. Of course the short term supply crisis and end of summer have probably exaggerated the effect, but still people seem a lot more up-beat.

676 Killer Tomato  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:01:46am

re: #666 realwest

A bike ride? Whoa, that sounds like fun! How's about riding a few extra miles for me - just so I can see the scenary in the Granite State (which state is that again?!)?

LOL
New Hampshire

677 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:02:37am

re: #674 3 wood

Yeah, pretty well. Taught full time for a few weeks filling in for a sick friend. Very interesting term ti teach investmetns, given the stock market.

How you been?

Hanging in there - teaching an overload on top of administrative duties. But I'm making a point of not bringing work home.

678 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:03:06am

My uncle's comment on the current economic crisis:

This is worse than divorce: I've lost half my net worth and I STILL have my wife.

679 realwest  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:03:25am

re: #629 reine.de.tout
Well I'm glad to be out here today, but my name isn't chipper so I'm a little confused by .............what? oh, thanks, yeah I'm feeling Chipp if not chipper! LOL!
How are you?
Oh and btw, I know that's about the eleventymillionth time I've played Rockapella's Folger's Coffee jingle, but a) I like it and b) still can't believe that the group Rockappella has made millions and millions of dollars just based on folks hearing that jingle and wanting more of that harmony music! LOL!

680 laZardo  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:03:34am

re: #678 Lucius Septimius

Zing and Upding!

681 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:03:40am

re: #665 3 wood

What you really want is stable prices. Deflation can be just as destructive (see: real estate market) as inflation.

Also, the drop in oil prices has a positive effect of increasing discretionary income.

Very true, however after hyper-inflated prices (such as seen recently in the housing and energy markets) a moderate degree of deflation can return prices to a more reasonable level and generate a more consistent level of price stability. Or at least that is what I seem to get by reading Freedman.... (Not that I have read a great deal of Milton Freedman)...

682 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:03:52am

re: #670 realwest

Morning, Ford.
Why do I think we each sound like Gary Cooper out here?!

Huh?

/ducks as point flies over head

683 Beach Lover  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:04:06am

re: #638 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Drill baby drill!


I wish! Because of the shortage here in the Carolinas', our prices are slow to come down. Saw yesterday it is still $3.51 at stations that are usually way below the national average. Now, if I can just get that 1/4 tank to last a few more days....

684 OldLineTexan  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:04:12am

re: #677 Lucius Septimius

Hanging in there - teaching an overload on top of administrative duties. But I'm making a point of not bringing work home.

Good for you.

I had a friend that always brought work home, and he ended up divorced.

Of course, he was a gynecologist.

685 looking closely  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:04:50am

re: #649 doriangrey

Personally I happen to feel that a moderate amount of deflation would be a good thing. But what do I know, I'm no economist.... ;)

While the idea of things become cheaper sounds good at first listen, deflation is actually quite bad.

When it becomes clear that money will have increased buying power in the short term (ie deflation), people don't want to spend it, and that chokes the economy.

Lower demand for goods and services drops prices further. . .causing the famous "deflationary spiral".

686 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:04:56am

re: #684 OldLineTexan

ba-dump CHING!

687 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:05:11am

re: #684 OldLineTexan

Ba dum dah!

688 Killian Bundy  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:05:28am
689 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:05:30am

re: #683 Beach Lover

In ATL I saw gas for 3.25 last night.

690 3 wood  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:05:31am

Mitsubishi now owns a piece of Morgan Stanley


Mitsubishi UFJ closes on $9 bln Morgan investment

BOSTON (MarketWatch) -- Mitsubishi UFJ Financial Group Inc. on Monday said it has closed on a $9 billion equity investment in Morgan Stanley, giving it a 21% ownership stake in Morgan Stanley. MUFG has acquired $7.8 billion of perpetual non-cumulative convertible preferred stock with a 10% dividend and a conversion price of $25.25 a share. Under the revised terms of the deal, MUFG also gets $1.2 billion of non-convertible preferred stock with a 10% dividend. Morgan Stanley shares closed Friday at $9.68 and are off more than 80% year to date.

691 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:05:35am

re: #671 SagamoreGal

Sagamore? As in Cape Cod?

692 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:05:41am

re: #686 Lucius Septimius

heh...15 seconds apart

693 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:06:47am

Sigh..... Time to run off to work again.... Later Lizards...........

694 OldLineTexan  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:07:03am

OK, so the markets ARE open today?

But the banks are closed?

Color me confused.

695 MajorPribluda  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:07:45am

Good Morning, Lizards!

696 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:08:15am

re: #694 OldLineTexan

OK, so the markets ARE open today?

But the banks are closed?

Color me confused.

Na, the US markets are closed..... CC Day, dontcha know.....

697 CapeCoddah  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:08:27am

Good Morning everyone!

698 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:08:27am

re: #684 OldLineTexan

Good for you.

I had a friend that always brought work home, and he ended up divorced.

Of course, he was a gynecologist.

Ooohh.

699 realwest  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:08:38am

re: #643 HoosierHoops
Hi ya Hoops! I didn't know we knocked off the number 1 defense in football (though since we're only 5 games into the season I suspect who's number 1 defesively and offensively might change from time to time!) but I do like Eli - A LOT. Especially after winning 3 playoff games ON THE ROAD in a row to get to the Superbowl and beat the might NE Patriots!
Course it helps that Eli has maybe the best offensive line in football, receivers who can CATCH the ball and a fabulous running game, but let's not mention that! LOL!
Manning v Manning in the Superbowl I could live with!

700 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:08:55am

re: #694 OldLineTexan

OK, so the markets ARE open today?

But the banks are closed?

Color me confused.

Some people live in areas that do not celebrate Columbus Day in the "over the top" fashion that we American's do.

/

701 Killian Bundy  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:09:04am

re: #694 OldLineTexan

OK, so the markets ARE open today?

But the banks are closed?

Color me confused.

/bond markets are closed

702 OldLineTexan  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:09:21am

re: #696 doriangrey

Na, the US markets are closed..... CC Day, dontcha know.....

Somebody tell CNN.

Maybe I need some of that civet poo coffee?

703 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:09:27am

re: #689 Lucius Septimius

In ATL I saw gas for 3.25 last night.

$3.05 in CT this morning.

704 Dasher  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:09:28am

re: #694 OldLineTexan

OK, so the markets ARE open today?

But the banks are closed?

Color me confused.

No mail either...

705 CapeCoddah  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:09:53am

re: #701 Killian Bundy

/bond markets are closed

Are the supermarkets open today?/

706 Beach Lover  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:09:56am

re: #645 Lucius Septimius
and don't foget those voters that went to the primaries and registered to vote for Hillary, who were really GOP. I think they underestimated how many actually did that, and they are counting on them to turn out for Obama just by the increase in Dem registrations.

707 laZardo  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:10:04am

re: #693 doriangrey

Cheers, Dorian.

708 OldLineTexan  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:10:35am

re: #700 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Some people live in areas that do not celebrate Columbus Day in the "over the top" fashion that we American's do.

/

You'd think the Euros would be celebrating.

If my ancestors had stayed there...

709 laZardo  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:11:02am

re: #691 Ford_Prefect

Sagamore? As in Cape Cod?

re: #697 CapeCoddah

Good timing.

710 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:11:29am

re: #708 OldLineTexan

You'd be "Old Line Frenchy" "Spaniard" "Brit"?

711 Killian Bundy  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:11:53am

re: #705 CapeCoddah

Are the supermarkets open today?/

/yes, you're allowed to eat normally

712 CapeCoddah  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:12:04am

LOL, Saw that. She has gotta be from here, I don't know of any other Sagamore, as it was named for an Indian chief who helped the pilgrims survive.

713 HoosierHoops  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:12:09am

re: #699 realwest
Sorry about the confusion.. The Colts knocked out the #1 Defense in the NFL ( Ravens ) Peyton is Back!

714 realwest  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:12:34am

re: #651 Lucius Septimius
Hey Lucius - so you did! I haven't read it yet as I'm falling further and further behind out here (already!) and have a phone call to recieve in about an hour or so but I WILL reply today!

715 Dasher  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:12:37am

re: #705 CapeCoddah

Are the supermarkets open today?/

I don't think there union is strong enough

716 CapeCoddah  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:12:43am

re: #711 Killian Bundy

/yes, you're allowed to eat normally


As long as 0 is not elected...

717 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:12:48am

By the way, had Columbus not "discovered" North America, would anybody ever've found it? Or would it still be here, with injuns and buffalos and No Obama?

718 OldLineTexan  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:13:48am

re: #710 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You'd be "Old Line Frenchy" "Spaniard" "Brit"?

First, like Gaul, I would have to be divided into three parts.

OldLineNedelander, OldLineBohunk, and OldLineAssortedBritishIslesCrossBreed.

719 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:13:48am

Little noise in my laptop...like an error ding... can not figure out what is causing it. YECH!

720 realwest  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:13:56am

re: #657 Fat Bastard Vegetarian Good morning! Uh, I don't get it.

721 CapeCoddah  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:14:11am

re: #717 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

By the way, had Columbus not "discovered" North America, would anybody ever've found it? Or would it still be here, with injuns and buffalos and No Obama?

Silly, The 0 would have found it!

722 ACJohn  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:14:11am

re: #705 CapeCoddah

Are the supermarkets open today?/

Yes and the arugula futures are down, Sell Sell Sell.

723 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:14:13am

[Link: www.jerusalemonline.com...]
A little Sarah Palin pit bull humor.

724 NC State of Mind  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:14:26am

re: #717 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If Columbus had not discovered America, Obama would now be running for president of France.

725 Killer Tomato  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:14:31am

re: #712 CapeCoddah

LOL, Saw that. She has gotta be from here, I don't know of any other Sagamore, as it was named for an Indian chief who helped the pilgrims survive.

Just north of you...

The Sagamore Bridge is one of the two current bridges over the Merrimack River connecting Hudson to Nashua.

726 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:14:56am

Indulging in total regression: listening to old REO (i.e., pre-"Hi-Infidelity")

Maybe I should try and dig out my old "Starcastle" stuff. But that would require fixing my turntable.

727 CapeCoddah  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:15:24am

re: #725 Killer Tomato

Lots of stuff named Sagamore, just no other towns.

728 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:15:26am

re: #724 NC State of Mind

If Columbus had not discovered America, Obama would now be running for president of France.

You mean he isn't?

729 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:15:28am

re: #720 realwest

Not a coffee drinker?

730 vapig  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:15:32am

Happy Columbus Day, everybody!

731 OldLineTexan  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:15:42am

re: #712 CapeCoddah

LOL, Saw that. She has gotta be from here, I don't know of any other Sagamore, as it was named for an Indian chief who helped the pilgrims survive.

Roosevelt's home was called Sagamore Hill.

Looks like Teddy has a sesquicentennial coming up!

/the good Teddy, not the current Teddy

732 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:15:44am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I wonder just how much of this was due to his anti-Bush stance and position at the NYT versus what he knows about economics. I speak of Paul Krugman winning the Nobel prize for economics.

733 Killian Bundy  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:15:50am

re: #716 CapeCoddah

As long as 0 is not elected...

/or John Kerry isn't the next Secretary of Sate

734 3 wood  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:16:09am

re: #694 OldLineTexan

OK, so the markets ARE open today?

But the banks are closed?

Color me confused.

Banks are closed, exchange markets are open.

It looks to be agood day. Now if we can just keep Bernanke and Paulson away from microphones all day.

735 Steffan  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:16:46am

Paul Krugman won the economics Nobel?

Who won the medicine Nobel, Dr. Mengele?

736 realwest  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:17:31am

re: #676 Killer Tomato
Are you sure? I thought Vermont was the Granite State?!? ROFL!

737 CapeCoddah  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:18:08am

re: #731 OldLineTexan

Roosevelt's home was called Sagamore Hill.

Looks like Teddy has a sesquicentennial coming up!

/the good Teddy, not the current Teddy

Yeah, that is a beautiful old estate.re: #733 Killian Bundy

/or John Kerry isn't the next Secretary of Sate

Dont even THINK it!

738 Karridine  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:18:17am

re: #720 realwest

Real, I owe you! You've introduced me to Rockapella tonite!

K0wabung@! I like their style, RW! Thanks!

739 MajorPribluda  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:18:31am

re: #735 Steffan

Paul Krugman won the economics Nobel?

Who won the medicine Nobel, Dr. Mengele?

Whomever was Schiavo's doctor.

740 ClosetConservative  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:19:05am

I don't see why Clinton is so close behind Obama. They were such different people. Bill was a practical liberal who was willing to stray from liberal principles if it's best for the country, but Obama is a confrontational liberal who only wants to infuse America with the whole package of leftism for better or for worse.

741 laZardo  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:19:05am

Isn't Columbus Day supposed to be racist against Native Americans?

/at least from that one Sopranos episode...

742 realwest  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:19:05am

re: #682 Ford_Prefect
LOL!

743 Pullus Iulius  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:19:11am

re: #612 realwest

Good morning, Realwest! Another nice morning up here - looks to be a nice week setting up. I hope you're doing well. Glad to be back among the lizards after spending the weekend down in So. Virginia with the (extended) family. Overall, a massive amount of moonbatty nonsense down there, but at least me Pappy promised he'd vote, and that he'd vote McCain, even if he had to push his walker all the way to the polling station. Made the trip worthwhile.

744 Karridine  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:19:36am

re: #736 realwest

Vermont is the Green Mountain State, ennit?

745 OldLineTexan  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:19:59am

re: #740 ClosetConservative

I don't see why Clinton is so close behind Obama. They were such different people. Bill was a practical liberal who was willing to stray from liberal principles if it's best for the country, but Obama is a confrontational liberal who only wants to infuse America with the whole package of leftism for better or for worse.

A little edit. Perfect!

/

746 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:20:07am

re: #740 ClosetConservative

I don't see why Clinton is so close behind Obama. They were such different people. Bill was a practical liberal who was willing to stray from liberal principles if it's best for the country, but Obama is a confrontational liberal who only wants to infuse America with the whole package of leftism for better or for worse.

Bill is behind Obama with a dagger.

Lady Macbeth in the Headband is down but not out.

747 CapeCoddah  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:20:14am

re: #740 ClosetConservative

I don't see why Clinton is so close behind Obama. They were such different people. Bill was a practical liberal who was willing to stray from liberal principles if it's best for the country, but Obama is a confrontational liberal who only wants to infuse America with the whole package of leftism for better or for worse.

Clinton has been doing nothing but damning 0 with faint praise. I would bet a years salary Clinton is voting McCain.

748 Killer Tomato  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:20:31am

re: #736 realwest

Are you sure? I thought Vermont was the Granite State?!? ROFL!

No.... Vermont is the Green Mountain State.
:-p
Don't make me ride all the way down there just to hit you on the nose with a rolled up newspaper!

749 tfc3rid  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:20:34am

Are we voting for American Idol or President?

I have filled out my absentee ballot... I voted for John McCain and I also voted for myself, once as a Civil Court Judge and once for NYS Assembly, since the Dem running is facing no one (this is a post I offered to run for)...

750 MajorPribluda  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:21:28am

So who here thinks the the GOP can pull it out in the last month? As for me, I'm once again hopping mad at our inability to seal the fricking deal. With a jerk like Obama to run against, we had it to lose--and guess what?

Somebody cheer me up. Please?

751 Steffan  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:21:30am

re: #740 ClosetConservative

I don't see why Clinton is so close behind Obama. They were such different people. Bill was a practical liberal who was willing to stray from liberal principles if it's best for the country, but Obama is a confrontational liberal who only wants to infuse America with the whole package of leftism for better or for worse.

No choice. If they don't back Obama and he loses, Hillary's career is over.

On the good news side, Asian markets are rallying.

752 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:21:45am

They don't count absentee ballots in most states. Ugly truth, but literally millions of Republican votes, cast by seniors, conscientious folk and soldiers are pulped every election.

753 OldLineTexan  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:21:51am

re: #749 tfc3rid

Are we voting for American Idol or President?

American Idol, apparently. Or the funniest blooper reel.

754 realwest  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:22:04am

re: #690 3 wood
Wow! Great news! If we tank, so do the Japanese!
That's what I like about America (well one of the things about America) y'all can come here and go broke just as fast and as thoroughly as we can! LOL!

755 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:22:10am

re: #750 MajorPribluda

See my 645 above.

756 3 wood  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:22:47am

Oil is down to about $81.47 a barrel.

This is ruining Chavez and Dinnerjacket.

757 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:22:53am

OK, kids are up which means I've got to get cracking.

Later, all.

758 ClosetConservative  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:23:25am

Is anyone here a regular WSJ Peggy Noonan reader? Is it just me, or have her columns been getting dangerously near to moonbat territory?

759 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:23:42am

re: #735 Steffan

Paul Krugman won the economics Nobel?

Who won the medicine Nobel, Dr. Mengele?

The citation said Mr. Krugman's approach is based on the premise that many goods and services can be produced at less cost in long series, a concept known as economies of scale. His research showed the effects of that on trade patterns and on the location of economic activity.


Sanyo figured that one out in 1987.

did this guy plagiarize their work patterns?

760 laZardo  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:24:10am

re: #757 Lucius Septimius

Cheers, LS.

761 OldLineTexan  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:24:34am

re: #752 Lucius Septimius

They don't count absentee ballots in most states. Ugly truth, but literally millions of Republican votes, cast by seniors, conscientious folk and soldiers are pulped every election.

There was a recent case in CA, IIRC, where the votes "didn't matter" because the total number was too small to affect the outcome, so the public official in charge of getting them tallied just closed shop to save time and money.

But since this election is all about the O, I expect that at least properly-marked ballots will be counted.

762 Desert Dog  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:24:36am

re: #756 3 wood

It might stop UAE and Saudi from building the tallest 7-11 too. I hope all of the Petro-Tyrants are crying like babies....and, I hope it continues to fall....$140-$150 a barrel was BS

763 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:25:07am

re: #759 ibmkeyboard

So did Ford - back when they made the assembly line and the Model T...

Except they didn't call it economy of scale. They called it profit.

764 realwest  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:25:22am

re: #717 Fat Bastard Vegetarian Well of course SOMEONE woulda found it - otherwise folks going West to East or vice-versa woulda tripped over us - we are BIG! lol!

765 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:25:27am

re: #744 Karridine

Vermont is the Green Mountain State, ennit?

Not this time of the year.

766 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:25:35am

re: #752 Lucius Septimius

They don't count absentee ballots in most states. Ugly truth, but literally millions of Republican votes, cast by seniors, conscientious folk and soldiers are pulped every election.

Lucius? Are you shitting me? I have to vote absentee about 75% of the time.

767 realwest  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:25:44am

BBIAM!

768 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:26:00am

I went to bed shortly after zombie started talking about the Angel Island fire - w/o saying goodnight. My netiquitte sucks. So - goodnight and goodmorning all wrapped into one.

Anybody watch the Hannity hour-long exposé last evening?

769 MajorPribluda  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:26:19am

re: #755 Lucius Septimius

See my 645 above.

I would agree, expect that I took that stance in 2006, and we got shellacked by the "Nedrenaline" crowd. Ned went down, but his troofers sailed on, and all of those dope-smoking, parents-house-living, thirty-something lefties actually set their alarms and voted in droves.

770 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:26:30am

re: #764 realwest

Well of course SOMEONE woulda found it - otherwise folks going West to East or vice-versa woulda tripped over us - we are BIG! lol!

Wouldn't they be afraid of falling off the edge?

771 Desert Dog  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:27:12am

re: #763 lawhawk

Just out of curiosity, are the economic and scientific Nobel prizes injected with the same about of politics as the "Peace Prize". If so, I think the honor is a bit jaded.

772 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:27:29am

re: #756 3 wood

Oil is down to about $81.47 a barrel.

This is ruining Chavez and Dinnerjacket.

Not fast enough. They're hoping to get OPEC to curb oil product to stabilize oil prices at around $80. Here's hoping that OPEC can't agree on a price hold... and the prices continue falling - giving the economy a huge breather in energy prices that have added to the woes of most taxpayers in the form of higher transportation, energy, and food costs.

773 tfc3rid  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:27:29am

re: #753 OldLineTexan

American Idol, apparently. Or the funniest blooper reel.

Possibly this is just a big episode of MTV's Punk'd...

774 Steffan  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:27:40am

re: #645 Lucius Septimius

Good analysis -- and hopefully far more likely than any so-called "Bradley Effect."

775 Karridine  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:27:45am

re: #762 Desert Dog

kinda smells like a whiff of Unintended Consequences, don't it, Dog?

Bwahahaha! SUFFER, Saudis! :D

776 OldLineTexan  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:28:03am

re: #770 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wouldn't they be afraid of falling off the edge?

The world, she's-a round like a meat-a-ball!

Is flat, like a pancake!

No, isa round, like my head!

/BASH

Is flat like your head!

777 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:28:10am

re: #758 ClosetConservative

Is anyone here a regular WSJ Peggy Noonan reader? Is it just me, or have her columns been getting dangerously near to moonbat territory?

Welcome newbie. Glad to see you out of the closet.

778 pingjockey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:28:40am

re: #771 Desert Dog
The whole process is infused with leftist, socialist bs. The Nobel doesn't mean jack anymore. It's like a humanitarian award from the UN.

779 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:28:58am

re: #776 OldLineTexan

Funny. That from Mel Brooks or something?

780 Beach Lover  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:29:00am

re: #758 ClosetConservative

Is anyone here a regular WSJ Peggy Noonan reader? Is it just me, or have her columns been getting dangerously near to moonbat territory?


Have heard that she has been pretty harsh lately. Wouldn't be surprised if she suffered from "Palin envy" along with most of the elite media. What a shame.

781 OldLineTexan  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:29:27am

re: #779 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Funny. That from Mel Brooks or something?

Bugs Bunny paraphrase.

782 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:29:33am

re: #763 lawhawk

So did Ford - back when they made the assembly line and the Model T...

Except they didn't call it economy of scale. They called it profit.

lol
New workers orientation.
1920-
Hey Guys!

/this long line of parts is called an 'Assembly line.'

783 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:29:41am

re: #770 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wouldn't they be afraid of falling off the edge?

There, there be monsters, too?

784 Desert Dog  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:30:10am

re: #775 Karridine

I am crying for the Saudi Princes, Hugo Chavez, Iran and Putin.....tears of joy though. I hope all their plans of ruling the world are on the shelf and they are back to figuring out how to feed their people and stay in power at the same time.

785 vapig  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:30:36am

re: #756 3 wood

Oil is down to about $81.47 a barrel.

Yes, but gas prices are not.

786 realwest  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:30:38am

re: #729 Fat Bastard Vegetarian Well duh, yeah I'm a coffee drinker, but decaf doesn't count as coffee!
Oh, wait.
nevermind.

787 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:30:55am

re: #786 realwest

heh.

788 tfc3rid  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:31:01am

Oh and by the way, Happy Columbus Day to all, or as I call it, just another Monday in the office...

The positive is that my client, the City of New York, is closed today and on vacation so here is hoping it's quiet today...

789 Dasher  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:31:08am

dow up 330

790 Karridine  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:31:32am

re: #781 OldLineTexan

Bugs aside, Columbus could have died on his first trip, and the economic and social pressures would have continued to push adventurers to find that Profitable Route to East India...

If not Columbus, then Potrzebie a few years later...

791 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:31:56am

BAM! 366.30 (+4.33%) at the bell.

792 laZardo  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:32:04am

re: #784 Desert Dog

re: #772 lawhawk

Not unless it's their money that's being infused into the economy as we speak...

793 OldLineTexan  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:32:07am

re: #789 Dasher

dow up 330

...on the news that OLT is too stewpid to know they were open.

/shhhh, he's looking this way. Act like yer sleepin'!

794 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:32:09am

So, now instead of worrying about whether every street corner will have a bank on it - pushing out bodegas, restaurants, and other shops, now we have to worry whether banks will quit low income neighborhoods? Oh, and doing so will be racist... /

795 Desert Dog  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:32:13am

re: #788 tfc3rid

Happy National Native American Mourning Day to you as well.

796 Steffan  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:33:11am

re: #771 Desert Dog

Just out of curiosity, are the economic and scientific Nobel prizes injected with the same about of politics as the "Peace Prize". If so, I think the honor is a bit jaded.

Don't forget the literature prize.

"Merchant of Death" or not, Nobel should have kept his money.

797 3 wood  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:33:25am

DOW is up 391

798 OldLineTexan  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:33:33am

re: #790 Karridine

Bugs aside, Columbus could have died on his first trip, and the economic and social pressures would have continued to push adventurers to find that Profitable Route to East India...

If not Columbus, then Potrzebie a few years later...

I want a time machine so I can go back and consult with Leif Ericksson. Show him some "points south" and all. Then the UT Longhorns would be a bit different.

799 realwest  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:33:37am

re: #738 Karridine
Hey Karradine - try this mini playlist - but jump to #7 first (Up On The Roof/Wonderful World)! MY pleasure!
How the hell are ya?!

800 vapig  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:33:53am

re: #795 Desert Dog

Happy National Native American Mourning Day to you as well.

Columbus never actually made it to America's shores.

801 3 wood  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:34:00am

re: #785 vapig

Yes, but gas prices are not.

I paid $2.93 yesterday.

802 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:34:11am

Good morning all!

Go Team! +403.82

Take that Soros!

803 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:34:12am
804 CapeCoddah  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:34:24am

0 is now saying his political career began at a Chicago Ramada inn, "Not in anyone's living room"
[Link: www.politico.com...]

805 Fredlike  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:34:32am

re: #766 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

In most elections absentee ballots are only counted if they would theoretically make a difference. This is different from the mail voting like Oregon does. Say the difference in votes is 2,000 and 1,500 ballots came in. Even if all were for candidate A instead of B it would make no difference. If Florida in 2000, when absentee ballots would have made a difference, the Dems spent a lot of time and money getting as many as possible disqualified, in the assumption that most were for Bush.

806 realwest  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:34:55am

re: #743 Pullus Iulius
Morning back atcha! And we could use a LOT more of his attitude around here, I tells ya!

807 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:35:00am

re: #804 CapeCoddah

0 is now saying his political career began at a Chicago Ramada inn, "Not in anyone's living room"
[Link: www.politico.com...]

Spin much? Keep talking Zero.

808 vapig  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:35:18am

re: #801 3 wood

I paid $2.93 yesterday.

Those prices haven't made it here in the DC metro area yet.

809 realwest  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:35:59am

re: #744 Karridine
That's what Vermont wants you to think, keeps the scruffy tourists out, doncha know?! But it's really the Granite State! LOL!

810 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:36:10am

re: #802 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Good morning all!

Go Team! +403.82

Take that Soros!

NPR had George Soros on this am. What a terrible way to wake up.

811 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:36:17am

I was asked to pray the offertory yesterday at Church. Asked everyone to focus on the cross instead of bowing their heads.... prayed that we would be given the strength to "not let the world scare the crap out of us".

Well, I didn't say crap, but I thought about it sincerely.

I know that many folks here are not Religious, but the idea stands.

812 Pullus Iulius  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:36:49am

re: #804 CapeCoddah

0 is now saying his political career began at a Chicago Ramada inn, "Not in anyone's living room"
[Link: www.politico.com...]

It's nice of the beast to deign to notice the ants nipping at his toes. I wish we were more than an annoyance, though.

813 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:37:21am

re: #759 ibmkeyboard

Sanyo figured that one out in 1987.

did this guy plagiarize their work patterns?

Now that he's won an igNobel, he'll never shut up.

814 CapeCoddah  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:37:22am

re: #812 Pullus Iulius

It's nice of the beast to deign to notice the ants nipping at his toes. I wish we were more than an annoyance, though.

Are we red ants? He would notice then...

815 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:37:36am

re: #804 CapeCoddah

0 is now saying his political career began at a Chicago Ramada inn, "Not in anyone's living room"
[Link: www.politico.com...]

Did he say which room he met Ayers in?

/sorry, couldn't resist.

816 Karridine  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:37:50am

re: #799 realwest

Hey Karridine - try this mini playlist (?)- but jump to #7 first (Up On The Roof/Wonderful World)! MY pleasure!

How the hell are ya?!

MUCH better now that I've learned of the "Sha Na Na" for this day... those guys are GOOD, FUN and intelligent!

Rockapella ROCKS, RW! :D

817 Desert Dog  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:38:07am

re: #800 vapig

Puerto Rico, if you count that......but, Amerigo Vespucci never made it here either, but we still call our fine country "America". Lucky for us, we could be living in the US of Vineland (c/o Mr. Ericson), US of Caboto, or the US of Hudsonia

818 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:38:08am

dow up 400. Only 3,600 points to go.

819 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:38:15am

re: #810 unreconstructed rebel

NPR?

Checking enemy transmissions again were you?

820 Beach Lover  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:38:17am

re: #804 CapeCoddah

0 is now saying his political career began at a Chicago Ramada inn, "Not in anyone's living room"
[Link: www.politico.com...]


*in my best Clinton speak*
It depends on what the meaning of "began" is.

821 realwest  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:38:20am

re: #750 MajorPribluda
OK, we're gonna win! Promise. Just sorta tryin' to keep folks engaged in the democratic process but McCain's gonna win.
Really.

822 CapeCoddah  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:38:37am

re: #815 Ford_Prefect

Did he say which room he met Ayers in?

/sorry, couldn't resist.

No, sorry, did not mention Ayers at all. He is just taking advantage of the stupid, and the complacent.

823 celtic templar  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:38:56am

re: #752 Lucius Septimius

They don't count absentee ballots in most states. Ugly truth, but literally millions of Republican votes, cast by seniors, conscientious folk and soldiers are pulped every election.

That's not exactly true. They don't count absentee ballots unless there are more ballots than the difference between the candidates.

For simplicity sake, if there are 10 votes for 1 guy, 6 votes for another guy and 5 absentee ballots, they count until the absentee ballot does not make a difference. So if the first absentee ballot is for the first candidate, 11, the next 4 can only add up to 10 if every one of them were for the other guy. So they won't bother counting them.

824 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:39:14am

re: #819 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

NPR?

Checking enemy transmissions again were you?

It forces me to get out of the bed.

825 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:39:20am

re: #818 Killgore Trout

dow up 400. Only 3,600 points to go.

Only if we want to rebuild the bubble so we can correct it again.

826 Karridine  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:39:33am

re: #809 realwest

Then, what's the state motto for New Hampshire?

/I'm korn fuzed, Lil Abner!

827 CapeCoddah  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:39:56am

re: #822 CapeCoddah

No, sorry, did not mention Ayers at all. He is just taking advantage of the stupid, and the complacent.

He does NOT say he never had a fundraiser in Ayers home, though.
Doublespeak.

828 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:40:03am

re: #804 CapeCoddah

0 is now saying his political career began at a Chicago Ramada inn, "Not in anyone's living room"
[Link: www.politico.com...]

And that first paragraph?

The Republican Party on Monday morning will make a new push to convince voters that distant ties between Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) and former radical William Ayers are somehow disqualifying for the presidency.

"Distant ties", my ass. Thanks for carrying water for the Democrats, Mike Allen. I can't believe that Hugh Hewitt has this hack on his show.

829 vapig  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:40:05am

re: #817 Desert Dog

Puerto Rico, if you count that......but, Amerigo Vespucci never made it here either, but we still call our fine country "America". Lucky for us, we could be living in the US of Vineland (c/o Mr. Ericson), US of Caboto, or the US of Hudsonia

Or Columbia?

830 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:40:30am

Up 438. My nose is starting to bleed.

831 CapeCoddah  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:40:34am

re: #826 Karridine

Then, what's the state motto for New Hampshire?

/I'm korn fuzed, Lil Abner!

"Live free or die"

832 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:40:39am

re: #822 CapeCoddah

No, sorry, did not mention Ayers at all. He is just taking advantage of the stupid, and the complacent.

You mean the msm?

833 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:40:55am

re: #784 Desert Dog

I am crying for the Saudi Princes, Hugo Chavez, Iran and Putin.....tears of joy though. I hope all their plans of ruling the world are on the shelf and they are back to figuring out how to feed their people and stay in power at the same time.

In just 10 years, Chavez has managed to reduce Venezuela's oil production by 25% with his nationalization of the oil companies and corruption.

Additionally, he's doing the U.S. a favor by keeping oil prices artificially low.....selling about half of his oil supply to his buddies for 30% of market value (the rest over 25 years) which lowers the world market price.

The U.S. is the only country paying full price for Venezuelan oil.

Chavez screws up his own economy.

834 Killer Tomato  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:41:10am

re: #826 Karridine

Then, what's the state motto for New Hampshire?

/I'm korn fuzed, Lil Abner!

The state motto is "Live Free or Die"
The state's nickname is "The Granite State"

(pay no attention to that troublemaker down in the Carolinas...)

835 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:41:10am

re: #827 CapeCoddah

He does NOT say he never had a fundraiser in Ayers home, though.
Doublespeak.

Just like he didn't deny being the number two recipient of Fannie Mae campaign money during last week's debate.

836 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:41:15am

re: #828 Ward Cleaver

"Distant ties", my ass. Thanks for carrying water for the Democrats, Mike Allen. I can't believe that Hugh Hewitt has this hack on his show.

Former Radical ?

Former Radical ?

Bullsh*t.

837 Desert Dog  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:41:31am

re: #826 Karridine

Then, what's the state motto for New Hampshire?

/I'm korn fuzed, Lil Abner!

"Gee, we are so friggin' small, how did they make us a state?" I think that is engraved on the dome of the capital in Concord?

838 CapeCoddah  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:42:00am

re: #832 Ford_Prefect

You mean the msm?

Yes Ford, the MSM and their lemming followers. How you doin'?

839 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:42:28am

re: #831 CapeCoddah

"Live free or die"

Which has gotten some residents in trouble in the past, for covering it with tape.

840 CapeCoddah  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:42:52am

re: #835 Ward Cleaver

Just like he didn't deny being the number two recipient of Fannie Mae campaign money during last week's debate.

Bingo.

841 Karridine  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:43:04am

re: #831 CapeCoddah

Thank you, Coddah... and please note that I waited courteously for YOU to enlighten me, instead of rushing to Dogpile or Gargle...

842 realwest  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:43:09am

re: #756 3 woodAnd
making T. Boone look like an idjit, to boot!

843 Desert Dog  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:43:19am

re: #833 eschew_obfuscation

In just 10 years, Chavez has managed to reduce Venezuela's oil production by 25% with his nationalization of the oil companies and corruption.

Additionally, he's doing the U.S. a favor by keeping oil prices artificially low.....selling about half of his oil supply to his buddies for 30% of market value (the rest over 25 years) which lowers the world market price.

The U.S. is the only country paying full price for Venezuelan oil.

Chavez screws up his own economy.

I am surprised the Nobel committee did not give Hugo the prize for economics. Maybe they are saving the "Peace Prize" for him?

844 laZardo  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:43:45am

re: #833 eschew_obfuscation

"You go on and mock us, Hugo. You know you can't live without us."

/bwahahaha.

845 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:43:47am

re: #837 Desert Dog

"Gee, we are so friggin' small, how did they make us a state?" I think that is engraved on the dome of the capital in Concord?

Hey, you leave North Boston alone. /

846 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:43:55am

Obama's getting weird....
Barack Obama: Too Much Pie For One Guy

I think he's discovered it doesn't make any difference what he says as long as he's talking. Steve Martin discovered this with his standup act. In the late 70's all he had to do was walk out on stage and people would howl with laughter.

847 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:44:04am

re: #838 CapeCoddah

Yes Ford, the MSM and their lemming followers. How you doin'?

Good, and you?

848 Fredlike  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:44:12am

re: #790 Karridine

Columbus made the voyage because of his misguided belief in the diameter of the earth. The greeks had a pretty good circumference for the earth of about 25,000 miles. IIRC Columbus though it was 18,000 miles. Given the far east was about 15,000 miles (give or take a few thousand) Columbus figured his ships (paid for by the Spanish Crown) could make it 3000 miles. Nobody thought they could get 10,000 miles. Eventually the ship technology would have progressed to the point of being able to make longer voyages or the northern routes the vikings took would have been re-explored, so eventually Europe would have made it to America but it may not have been the Spanish.

849 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:44:24am

re: #825 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I have no idea what the recovery is going to look like.

850 pingjockey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:44:41am

re: #839 Ward Cleaver
When I was stationed in Newport RI, I went to NH to register my new truck there cause of that plate and no sales tax!

851 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:45:08am

re: #846 Killgore Trout

all he had to do was walk out on stage and people would howl with laughter.


Would that that were true.

852 CapeCoddah  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:45:08am

re: #841 Karridine

Thank you, Coddah... and please note that I waited courteously for YOU to enlighten me, instead of rushing to Dogpile or Gargle...

LOl, your wish is my command...Acutally, I have a family member who likes to skirt Mass taxes by registering cars in NH. Its on the plates!

853 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:45:10am

President ACORN or from a tiny ACORN grows a mighty stolen election.

When I was a young lad doing PR for large company, I was shown the ropes by my retiring predecessor. He walked me through the job, the people I would meet and what I might expect. He was a dear friend and one of the nicest people I ever met in my life.

The only people he told me never to talk to, never to speak to and never have anything to do with, was ACORN. As time passed, indeed ACORN did attack the company or otherwise make some outrageous demand against us. To say ACORN conducted themselves as factually challenged cretinous scum is to be to kind to the positions they advocated and reprehensible tactics they used. My friend's warnings about them were all too true. In all my business life, there have only been a handful of folks who I would describe this way. There were times when I met with people who were angry with my company (sometimes rightfully so), there were times when I had to defend my company not getting something right. With reasonable people, and I found almost everyone I ever met with reasonable, fixing the problem and making it right was almost always sufficient. Not with ACORN, with them, our existence was the problem; nothing we could say or do was ever acceptable or good enough for them. ACORN even had the chutzpah to ask the company for donations to support their efforts!

Clearly my experience was not unique. Their radicalism has never faded; they are the unflinching far leftists they always were. But what has only come clear to me in the last few days is that they have nominated a Presidential candidate this year. What is most disturbing is learning just how close the relationship between Obama and has been over the years to this very day. ACORN's efforts at the grass roots has been fundamental to getting Obama to where he is. Case in point: the Texas primaries and caucuses. They clearly stolen from Clinton for Obama. Texas Democratic Party rules state that to be eligible to vote in the caucus, you had to show proof you voted in the primary. ACORN dispensed with such silly trivialities as rules and sent hordes to overwhelm the caucuses with people who had not voted. They steamrolled into the caucuses and used the fact the caucuses awarded 2/3 of the delegates to Obama to end Clinton's candidacy; even though 2/3 of the Texas primary ballots cast were for Clinton (so how could the caucuses have such a diametrically different result?). When you steal an election from Bill and Hil, that is really saying something! Throughout his campaign BHO has spent millions backing the group's efforts on his behalf.

As little as ten years ago, Barry Obama led ACORN education sessions on power- put it this way, Obama was trusted enough by the most scurrilous political organization in America to teach what is their "holiest" subject: educating the masses on the need for mass struggle and justifying to the groups members the use any tactics, however immoral or illegal towards that end. Since those in power are evil for having it or got it from past injustices, any method to take power from them is OK. ACORN treats the sacred ballot box as their toilet because they have been educated that our democracy will not otherwise cede power. They intentionally create as much chaos as possible at the polls to further these ends. This reasoning makes it OK to tamper with the fundamental building block of our society.

The long deep connections between ACORN and Obama should include this most damning statement: Barack Obama is a partner and intellectual leader of one of the most dishonest organizations in American politics. He is either the piano player in the whorehouse that is ACORN or he is its procurer-in-chief but either way his involvement in ACORN should remove him from all consideration of being commander-in-chief.

We are extremely close to electing a man who is connected to them at the hip and the brain as President of the United States. America you do not want ACORN as your president.

854 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:45:14am

re: #846 Killgore Trout

Obama's getting weird....
Barack Obama: Too Much Pie For One Guy

I think he's discovered it doesn't make any difference what he says as long as he's talking. Steve Martin discovered this with his standup act. In the late 70's all he had to do was walk out on stage and people would howl with laughter.

Getting?

855 realwest  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:45:50am

re: #788 tfc3rid Hello my friend - un, under Bloomberg isn't the City closed most of the time (City government, I mean!)?
Happy Columbus Day to you too - and what's this about Mayor Mikey running for a third term - don't y'all have still have term limits up there?!

856 CapeCoddah  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:46:03am

re: #847 Ford_Prefect

Good, and you?

Just ducky!

857 Karridine  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:46:33am

Eeek!

Killer Tow Mater and others have learned me more than I ever wanted to know about Knew Hempshire...

I shoulda looked it up on Gargoogle... Garghoul... whatever...

/I'm outta here, Monday night here... 2045 and tasks beckon

Bye y'all

858 FrogMarch  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:47:11am

re: #317 Killian Bundy

John Kerry, Secretary of State?

/unrepentant moron, but not in Debbie Schlussel's league

If that happens, I think I'm going to have to leave the planet.

859 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:47:30am

re: #856 CapeCoddah

Just ducky!

Quack!

860 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:47:39am

re: #804 CapeCoddah

I often have my doubts about factcheck. This is from their latest that says nothing about a Ramada Inn launch of Obama's career, and furthermore, it poo-poos Ayers terrorism -

Even the description of Ayers as a "terrorist" is a matter of interpretation. Setting off bombs can fairly be described as terrorism even when they are intended to cause only property damage, which is what Ayers has admitted doing in his youth. But for nearly three decades since, Ayers has lived the relatively quiet life of an educator. It would be correct to call him a "former terrorist," and an "unapologetic" one at that. But if McCain means the word "terrorist" to invoke images of 9/11, he's being misleading; Ayers is no Osama bin Laden now, and never was.

The emphasis is mine. Factcheck sucks in this case, and they are marginalizing Ayer's complicity in the bomb that was intended for Ft. Dix, but killed his girlfriend.

I'd say anyone who plans to set off a bomb on a military installation (Fort Dix) that was intended to kill and maim IS a terrorist.

I'd have to bet - if I were a betting man, that factcheck is in the tank for Obama.

861 pingjockey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:48:00am

Nice. Obamabi supporters showed up with "sarah palin is a c!@t" t-shirts.
Tolerance!

862 realwest  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:48:02am

re: #804 CapeCoddah
Really? So who did Obama screw there?! Or, since he was starting out, who'd he get screwed by there?!

863 NC State of Mind  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:48:27am

"Obama is my Jesus

I keep thinking the Obama complex can't get any worse, and it keeps getting worse. In the primaries he was a rock star, now he is a/the god of these folks.

Then I began to realize I wasn't the only one trying to buy a WWOD bracelet and spending my weekends scouring CNN.com. The rock star-type love for Obama wasn't just because he was pretty and in the media. Others too, had seen him as a shining light, heard that mythical voice boom out over the mountaintops; people were wearing the t-shirt because they would rather wear something representing a politician than a pop star. People everywhere, young and old, were caring again. So what's the problem here?

What exactly is it these people began caring about? And what do they want to change exactly.

864 Killer Tomato  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:48:34am

re: #857 Karridine

sheesh - now I feel bad
Sorry Karridine!

865 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:48:42am

re: #858 FrogMarch

If that happens, I think I'm going to have to leave the planet.

Oh, I don't know. Maybe The One can clean out the Senate.

*hoping*

866 CapeCoddah  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:49:22am

re: #858 FrogMarch

If that happens, I think I'm going to have to leave the planet.

Can't we just send KERRY off planet, like on the next mission to Mars?
We can tell him he can b president of the whole planet for life! Wait, he will need help. Pelosi, Reed, Frank, 0, Both Clintons, Schumer...Hell, just send Congress!

867 ACJohn  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:49:38am

re: #861 pingjockey

Nice. Obamabi supporters showed up with "sarah palin is a c!@t" t-shirts.
Tolerance!

Yikes, now imagine the reverse: Obama is a ...

riots

868 Karridine  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:49:41am

re: #848 Fredlike

Roger yr analysis, Fredlike...

That's why I chose the Polish word for aspirin, potrzebie, to name the non-Columbus explorer... NOT the Portuguese or Spanish...

869 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:49:47am

re: #862 realwest

Really? So who did Obama screw there?! Or, since he was starting out, who'd he get screwed by there?!

See my #815.

870 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:49:53am

re: #849 Killgore Trout

I have no idea what the recovery is going to look like.

That's fair... I just don't want to build up the same excess again. The market will adjust to reality if allowed.

I'm still thinking that the excessive free money, overvalued market and super-duper gas prices were indicators of the same thing: dollar valued too low.

It would be good to have a dollar that isn't crippled by low value.

871 CapeCoddah  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:50:08am

re: #859 Ford_Prefect

Quack!

Smart Ass.

872 pingjockey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:50:16am

re: #865 unreconstructed rebel
obambi ain't Hercules, and that mess in the House and Senate make the Augean Stables look like light housework!

873 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:50:26am

re: #860 Cap'n DOC

I often have my doubts about factcheck. This is from their latest that says nothing about a Ramada Inn launch of Obama's career, and furthermore, it poo-poos Ayers terrorism -


The emphasis is mine. Factcheck sucks in this case, and they are marginalizing Ayer's complicity in the bomb that was intended for Ft. Dix, but killed his girlfriend.

I'd say anyone who plans to set off a bomb on a military installation (Fort Dix) that was intended to kill and maim IS a terrorist.

I'd have to bet - if I were a betting man, that factcheck is in the tank for Obama.

It's the Annenberg Foundation.

874 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:50:35am

re: #861 pingjockey

Nice. Obamabi supporters showed up with "sarah palin is a c!@t" t-shirts.
Tolerance!

Overplay that hand, dems... just keep pushing.

Bwahaha

875 NYCHardhat  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:50:41am

re: #853 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

I will keep saying this until it is over. McCain will be our next POTUS. BTW...vote anyway.

876 Desert Dog  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:50:51am

re: #853 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Do you think this ACORN thingy will effect "the One"? Hard to say, but I hope it opens a few eyes. How can Obama deny connections to this group? He was a "trainer", has mucho dinero ties to them and cannot disconnect himself from this one. But, seeing how everything else just bounces off this guy, it would not surprise me if it does nothing to his poll numbers....ugh

877 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:51:06am

re: #870 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I'm an importer so I'd love to have a strong dollar again. It would really help my business.

878 FrogMarch &nbs