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Kristol: Junk the Whole Thing and Start Over

Opinion | Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 9:25:39 am PDT

Bill Kristol says John McCain needs to fire his campaign.

What McCain needs to do is junk the whole thing and start over. Shut down the rapid responses, end the frantic e-mails, bench the spinning surrogates, stop putting up new TV and Internet ads every minute. In fact, pull all the ads — they’re doing no good anyway. Use that money for televised town halls and half-hour addresses in prime time.

And let McCain go back to what he’s been good at in the past — running as a cheerful, open and accessible candidate. Palin should follow suit. The two of them are attractive and competent politicians. They’re happy warriors and good campaigners. Set them free.

Provide total media accessibility on their campaign planes and buses. Kick most of the aides off and send them out to swing states to work for the state coordinators on getting voters to the polls. Keep just a minimal staff to help organize the press conferences McCain and Palin should have at every stop and the TV interviews they should do at every location. Do town halls, do the Sunday TV shows, do talk radio — and invite Obama and Biden to join them in some of these venues, on the ground that more joint appearances might restore civility and substance to the contest.

The hope for McCain and Palin is that they still have pretty good favorable ratings from the voters. The American people have by no means turned decisively against them.

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1 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:26:36am

I disagree

2 zombie  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:26:52am

Paul Krugman just won the Nobel Prize. We must trust NY Times columnists!

3 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:27:06am

I'm not hating the idea.

4 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:27:07am

he should attack Obama and his seedy ties

he should attack the media and their shameless promotion of him

5 Wishing  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:28:03am

re: #2 zombie

Paul Krugman just won the Nobel Prize. We must trust NY Times columnists!

for WHAT?

6 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:28:12am

he should attack Jimmy Carter for bashing a sitting President
he should attack Pelosi, Obama and all democrats who have gone overseas to talk to our enemies
he should attack the democrats on the fiscal mess they got us into

7 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:28:39am

re: #5 Wishing

for WHAT?

Bush bashing, what else does he wright about....

8 zombie  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:28:52am

This Bill Kristol character sounds like a Moby. Purposely giving bad advice, just to screw with McCain's mind.

9 Wishing  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:29:15am

Actually, McCain doesnt have to do a great deal...Stay positive, offer solutions, and let the Zero self-immolate. Which he is doing.

10 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:29:20am

re: #3 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm not hating the idea.

In fact, pull all the ads — they’re doing no good anyway. Use that money for televised town halls and half-hour addresses in prime time.

Kick most of the aides off and send them out to swing states to work for the state coordinators on getting voters to the polls.

Two of the ideas I liked. More specifically.

11 zombie  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:29:21am

re: #5 Wishing

for WHAT?

Economics. I kid you not!

12 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:29:26am

Seems to me like a pretty foolish idea. How bad would it make McCain look if he starts blaming everyone around him for all his troubles. And what would it say about his ability to fill key spots in an administration if he can't even hire decent people for his campaign. Political suicide if you ask me.

13 Cognito  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:29:27am

re: #2 zombie

Paul Krugman just won the Nobel Prize. We must trust NY Times columnists!

AAHaa! Is that what defines Kristol now?

I tend to think he's right, in principle. McCain needs to scrap his whole stance, and come out strong -- which he seems to be doing today, as a matter of fact.

Not sure firing his staff is a viable option this late in the day, though. Would be an admittance of poor judgment.

14 outsidephilly  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:29:27am

re: #8 zombie

This Bill Kristol character sounds like a Moby. Purposely giving bad advice, just to screw with McCain's mind.

. . . , ya got that right!

15 Wishing  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:29:38am

re: #7 Adrenalyn

Bush bashing, what else does he wright about....

ROFL

16 Ben Hur  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:29:40am

Dan Quayle's Chief of Staff.

17 Adrenalyn[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:29:46am
18 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:30:51am

Bill Krystal... lynchpin of the blueblood Republicans.

Shut up Bill. We've had enough moderate BS.

19 subsailor68  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:31:51am

Just IMHO, Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin should make good use of a tool each one seems to have - a sense of humor. Ronald Reagan had such a tool, and used it very effectively. He also had a core of steel, however. I pray that these two candidates do as well. (Although it does appear that Gov. Palin certainly does.)

20 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:31:54am
21 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:32:24am

Over 9000! WooHoo!

22 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:32:28am

It's a little late for all that.

23 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:32:28am

Hitchens has a different strategy....
Vote for Obama

McCain lacks the character and temperament to be president. And Palin is simply a disgrace.

Ouch.

24 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:32:33am

I don't agree with Kristol, but I don't think the McCain campaign has done a good job either.

Their rapid response email/videos can be quite effective. The campaign's biggest problem has been to avoid taking Obama on the subject of the economy and all of his close ties to ACORN, Ayers, through Wright. A to Z - Obama has a lengthy history of dealing with shady figures, and those who figure prominently in the financial mess. Hit 'em hard on that - over and over. Note that it was Democrats who continually tried to push "affordable" housing on the nation, even while ignoring what that "affordable" housing would cost - hundreds of billions in bailouts because the mortgages weren't worth the paper they were printed on and then repackaged and sold as investment grade paper. Fannie and Freddie cooked the books, and yet Obama counts on Raines and Johnson to provide advice.

Those two characters should be perp-walked just as surely as Rigas, Lay, Skilling, and the other company execs who bilked investors and their own employees by pushing the limits.

Calling for the McCain campaign to reboot is nonsense and simply isn't going to happen.

Demanding that McCain focus like a laser on ACORN, the affordable housing scam, and the economy isn't all that difficult - the facts are there, the story is out there, and it's free press to talk about that stuff... it's doable.

25 SagamoreGal  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:32:38am

O/T, I know but since we're all lamenting the impending increasing of the Welfare States of America:

Ayn Rand in Atlas Shrugged

(Speaking through the character of Francisco d'Anconia)

"But you say that money is made by the strong at the expense of the weak? What strength do you mean? It is not the strength of guns or muscles. Wealth is the product of man’s capacity to think. Then is money made by the man who invents a motor at the expense of those who did not invent it? Is money made by the intelligent at the expense of the fools? By the able at the expense of the incompetent? By the ambitious at the expense of the lazy? Money is made- before it can be looted or mooched – made by the effort of every honest man, each to the extent of his ability. An honest man is one who knows that he can’t consume more than he has produced. "

26 Wishing  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:32:42am

re: #12 Ford_Prefect

Seems to me like a pretty foolish idea. How bad would it make McCain look if he starts blaming everyone around him for all his troubles. And what would it say about his ability to fill key spots in an administration if he can't even hire decent people for his campaign. Political suicide if you ask me.

I agree Ford...maybe he is a moby
McCain is doing JUST fine...leave him be!

27 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:32:52am

McCain also needs to constantly call out Obama for his eschewing of matching funds

and his use of untraceable internet donations as so inherently sleazy as to make him corrupt by his use of those funds

he needs to demand that Obama pay the media for the "coverage" they have given him

look John, some people in America are made at hell at the way the left has conducted themselves, in concert with the media, for years and we want to end it and have fair elections for once

call out the pollsters too
name one race a republican one that the pollsters said he/she would

there are not any

28 jcm  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:33:03am

re: #11 zombie

Economics. I kid you not!

Now the NYT has a Nobel to go next to the Duranty Pullet Surprise. Steaming piles on display in the lobby.

29 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:33:08am

The Dow is over 9000.

*Snoopy dance*

30 elevenbravo1969  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:33:10am

I believe that Bill Kristol is whom Rush is referring to when he mentions, "blue-blood, country club Republicans." Is he Irving Kristol's son? He's an insipid milquetoast.

31 itellu3times  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:33:28am

The Obama "campaign" is run mostly by the MSM.

The McCain campaign, such as it is, I wonder how much is John, and how much is the staffers.

Of what the actual Obama campaign does, it's about a B-/C+, on a good day. I don't know how to assign a grade to the Mccain campaign, but it's certainly no better.

32 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:33:35am

re: #2 zombie

Paul Krugman just won the Nobel Prize. We must trust NY Times columnists!

He won for work done nearly 2 decades ago, though I figure it was given to him because he's now an anti-Bush raving loon.

33 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:34:09am

re: #24 lawhawk

well said, I could not agree more
well said....

34 zombie  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:34:14am

re: #17 Adrenalyn

McCain should have Jeremiah Wright lookalike at his side at campaign events, standing there with "death to whitey" and "goddam American" signs in each hand

?!?!?

Where is your "/sarc" tag? Because if you're serious -- that's about the worst idea imaginable.

35 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:34:23am

re: #20 taxfreekiller

Bill Kristol is not much use in a fire fight, its an ambush, Bill , if you jump up and run now they will cut you down as you run away, silly man.

Exactly. Ambush SOP: Assault. Now. With Everything.

/to do otherwise means a kill zone filled with dead people.

36 Wishing  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:34:29am

re: #29 Who Watches the Watchmen?

The Dow is over 9000.

*Snoopy dance*

And it ONLY helps McCain!
Go John!

37 Cognito  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:34:29am

If there were any justice in the world, Nouriel Roubini would have won the Nobel for economics.

From the New York Times, and please note the date:


On Sept. 7, 2006, Nouriel Roubini, an economics professor at New York University, stood before an audience of economists at the International Monetary Fund and announced that a crisis was brewing. In the coming months and years, he warned, the United States was likely to face a once-in-a-lifetime housing bust, an oil shock, sharply declining consumer confidence and, ultimately, a deep recession. He laid out a bleak sequence of events: homeowners defaulting on mortgages, trillions of dollars of mortgage-backed securities unraveling worldwide and the global financial system shuddering to a halt. These developments, he went on, could cripple or destroy hedge funds, investment banks and other major financial institutions like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

The audience seemed skeptical, even dismissive. As Roubini stepped down from the lectern after his talk, the moderator of the event quipped, “I think perhaps we will need a stiff drink after that.” People laughed — and not without reason. At the time, unemployment and inflation remained low, and the economy, while weak, was still growing, despite rising oil prices and a softening housing market.

38 tfc3rid  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:34:31am

Bill Kristol is a big Sarah Palin supporter... He's always been lukewarm when it comes to John McCain...

It's too late to start over but I dare say that Karl Rove would have run a better campaign... I think it's imperative to focus on get out the vote efforts in swing states...

39 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:34:39am

re: #21 unreconstructed rebel

Over 9000! WooHoo!

re: #29 Who Watches the Watchmen?

The Dow is over 9000.

*Snoopy dance*

I'll hold off my celebration until the markets CLOSE today over 9000. ;)

40 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:34:58am
Use that money for televised town halls and half-hour addresses in prime time.

Will any network allow this?

41 itellu3times  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:35:04am

re: #29 Who Watches the Watchmen?

The Dow is over 9000.

*Snoopy dance*

Rally smells funny, too static, I think the PPT is back on the job.

42 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:35:26am

re: #29 Who Watches the Watchmen?

The Dow is over 9000.

*Snoopy dance*

OVER 9000!?

43 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:35:28am

re: #39 FurryOldGuyJeans

I'll hold off my celebration until the markets CLOSE today over 9000. ;)

Killjoy. ;-)

44 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:35:37am

re: #40 MandyManners

If the money's green?

45 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:35:41am
46 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:35:56am

re: #39 FurryOldGuyJeans

I'll hold off my celebration until the markets CLOSE today over 9000. ;)

If it stays over 9,000 for the week, then the dance is warranted. If it gets over 10,000, then shoot off the fireworks.

47 zombie  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:36:52am

re: #23 Killgore Trout

Hitchens has a different strategy....
Vote for Obama

Ouch.

Hitchens says:

I used to call myself a single-issue voter on the essential question of defending civilization against its terrorist enemies and their totalitarian protectors, and on that "issue" I hope I can continue to expose and oppose any ambiguity. Obama is greatly overrated in my opinion, but the Obama-Biden ticket is not a capitulationist one, even if it does accept the support of the surrender faction, and it does show some signs of being able and willing to profit from experience.

My opinion of Hitchens just plummeted off the cliff.

48 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:36:57am

re: #44 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If the money's green?

If they're in the tank for BHO, no one else's money is green enough.

49 SpartanWoman  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:37:00am
The hope for McCain and Palin is that they still have pretty good favorable ratings from the voters. The American people have by no means turned decisively against them.

But you're working on that aren't you asshole? You and the precious punditry. Limbaugh on air again bloviating about how his reservations about McCain were right, hedging all the way so he can bullshit and say he's 98% right.

50 Macker  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:37:24am

re: #25 SagamoreGal

If we're really going that way, I prefer the name "American Socialist States"...ASS!

51 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:37:43am

So, what's Zero's margin going to look like if the market (false substitute for the "economy") recovers... or looks like it is headed that way?

Not good news for a guy with a +6 lead _with_ and economic collapse.

52 jcm  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:37:46am

re: #47 zombie

My opinion of Hitchens just plummeted off the cliff.

More like Coyote off the cliff with an ACME Rocket pack.

53 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:37:49am

re: #48 MandyManners

They take his ads. I'm just sayin'.

54 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:38:22am

re: #47 zombie

He's an entertaining character but I've never really taken him seriously.

55 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:38:22am

Really. How many people will forego a 30-minute block of regular television v. how many will see the ads during their regular programs?

56 Colin Nelson  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:38:25am

Beware of the advice from a new surgeon when you are in the middle of an operation.

It matters not what strategy or tactics the McCain/Palin ticket runs with if the newspapers and electronic media remain rabidly intent on sinking it rather than attending to their mandate to report the news not manufacture it.

Best recent example: the CNN hour long special, "Fit to Lead", about the physical(and mental) health of presidents.

One would have to be born under a rock not to understand that CNN is feeding the fires of those who want voters to doubt that McCain will last through the entire term - and of course, that means the totally unqualified(sarc) Gov Palin would then take over.

These people are ugly.

57 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:38:26am

re: #51 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

PIMF... "with an economic collapse".

58 seekeroftruth  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:38:36am

How does Krystal's article help anyone but Obama? I am really tired of pundits on the right trashing our candidate. They are giving ammunition to the left and it needs to stop. There are only a few days left and we need to drag McCain over the finish line for the sake of this country. The Bill Krystals and Kathleen Parkers need to turn their eyes on Obama and look at who they are helping to win if they don't knock it off.

59 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:38:39am

re: #47 zombie

My opinion of Hitchens just plummeted off the cliff.

maybe he, like me, forgot the sarc tag.....?

60 maddogg  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:38:49am

Wednesday, McCain needs to win decisively. All this stuff Kristol suggests is worthless.

61 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:38:49am

re: #47 zombie

... but the Obama-Biden ticket is not a capitulationist one ...

I would live to know where Hitchens gets that idea.

Problem is, he is not & now too many saps are going to believe this.

62 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:38:55am

re: #37 Cognito

There is no justice. .No peace either /

Seriously though, she might get a Nobel - 15-20 years down the road... if the politics doesn't get in the way. It's also curious how Krugman got a Nobel based on work that deals with the economies of scale, which is something that Ford figured out when setting about creating the assembly line to produce Model Ts for profit.

63 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:38:57am

re: #46 Honorary Yooper

If it stays over 9,000 for the week, then the dance is warranted. If it gets over 10,000, then shoot off the fireworks.

Now that would be worth a hang-over or two.

Bill Kristol once again wants to shoot a perceived moribund campaign and totally destroy any possibility that Obama is not elected. A RINO wolf dressed up in supposedly Conservative sheep skin. *BLECH*

64 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:39:35am

re: #55 MandyManners

Just saying I like the idea. Not that it'd work. We are just a few days from the big day!

65 SpartanWoman  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:39:39am

re: #47 zombie

Hitchen's doesn't think Obama will "capitulate"? They will merely call it something else like "ritual sacrifice of the zionists" How does Hitchens explain Khalidi and Odinga?

66 Cognito  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:39:41am

re: #62 lawhawk

There is no justice. .No peace either /

Seriously though, she might get a Nobel - 15-20 years down the road... if the politics doesn't get in the way.

he

67 alien_mind  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:39:56am

I like Kristols idea. Speak confidently and positively to the American people, about why you are the guy we need now. Inspire people, give them a reason to vote for you and focus less on why not to vote for the other guy. I would get back to giving optimistic speeches about the future, like his acceptance speech. many people want inspiration and need a leader to show the way. McCain should talk directly to the people about his program, and not stoop to pointing out every unsavory relationship Obama has had in his lifetime. others have done that and can continue, but McCain should start to appear presidential in tone and message.

68 Intrepid  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:40:20am

re: #13 Cognito

I agree - he cannot fire anyone now, it will reek of desperation. The sharks will smell blood and pounce. (do sharks pounce?)

69 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:40:35am

Sure, scrap your campaign 22 days out from an election. That'll only give the media 22 more days to laugh at you.

Great advice.

70 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:40:44am

re: #24 lawhawk

And by pushing the limits, I mean engaging in cooking the books, fraud, and other illegal activities (should have made that explicitly clear).

71 itellu3times  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:41:08am

re: #23 Killgore Trout

Hitchens has a different strategy....
Vote for Obama

This is Hitchens having a bad day. Somebody buy him a drink, a bottle.

He doesn't look seriously at the alternative - he can't actually believe the alternative is an academic marxist who calls his opponent a pig. Hitch, wake up.

72 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:41:22am

Kristol is sounding like a pundit punditing merely because punditing is what he does. In fairness, even the best slip into it at times.

He does make some good points, but they're embedded within a column whose central theme approaches irrelevance.

*yawn*

73 Cognito  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:41:44am

re: #68 Intrepid

I agree - he cannot fire anyone now, it will reek of desperation. The sharks will smell blood and pounce. (do sharks pounce?)

Off the tip of South Africa they do.

74 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:41:59am
75 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:42:03am

re: #68 Intrepid

I agree - he cannot fire anyone now, it will reek of desperation. The sharks will smell blood and pounce. (do sharks pounce?)

Sounds like a Palestinian car bomb swarm. ;)

76 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:42:15am

re: #72 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Kristol is sounding like a pundit punditing merely because punditing is what he does. In fairness, even the best slip into it at times.

He does make some good points, but they're embedded within a column whose central theme approaches irrelevance.

*yawn*

Nothin' like a deadline to bring out the worst.

77 Intrepid  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:42:33am

re: #55 MandyManners

Really. How many people will forego a 30-minute block of regular television v. how many will see the ads during their regular programs?

Whatever McCain does, he needs to be getting his ads on the air! I saw several BO ads yesterday during NFL Sunday games, and on three different networks. Not one McCain ad.

78 coquimbojoe  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:42:46am

re: #11 zombie

Economics. I kid you not!

You. Are. Kidding.

Right? Right?

79 laxmatt1984  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:42:50am

As someone who worked on the McCain campaign...

I love this idea.

80 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:43:01am

re: #49 SpartanWoman

But you're working on that aren't you asshole? You and the precious punditry. Limbaugh on air again bloviating about how his reservations about McCain were right, hedging all the way so he can bullshit and say he's 98% right.

I don't know what the hell you've been listening to, but Limbaugh, and Hannity, and Levin, and for that matter, most of us here, HAVE BEEN SAYING THE EXACT SAME THING ABOUT McCain FOR YEARS. That's hes no conservative!

81 zombie  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:43:22am

re: #67 alien_mind

I like Kristols idea. Speak confidently and positively to the American people
...etc.

Fuggedaboutit!

Nothing McCain does will inspire positive MSM coverage. Period! The media is absolutely in the tank for Obama. They are salivating over this!

McCain only has one hope, and that is to bash Obama's character relentlessly. The issues do not really matter. And nothing McCain can do now will make the populace think highly of him, because the media won't cooperate in the portrayal.

Bash, bash, bash Obama.

82 Killian Bundy  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:44:04am

Out of nowhere, McCain hit a grand slam today. If you missed it, look for the video.

/it was nothing shory of amazing!

83 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:44:06am

re: #77 Intrepid

Whatever McCain does, he needs to be getting his ads on the air! I saw several BO ads yesterday during NFL Sunday games, and on three different networks. Not one McCain ad.

Are you in a "battle-ground" state?

84 Cognito  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:44:14am

re: #78 coquimbojoe

You. Are. Kidding.

Right? Right?

Among scientists Krugman is more prominent in economic circles than journalistic ones.

85 zombie  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:44:20am

re: #78 coquimbojoe

You. Are. Kidding.

Right? Right?

Nope.

86 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:44:24am
87 Charles  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:44:41am

I don't agree with Kristol on this, by the way. But he makes some undeniable points -- for whatever reason, the American public doesn't seem to care about Bill Ayers, or any of Obama's questionable associates. That line of attack just isn't working.

88 Alouette  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:44:59am

re: #82 Killian Bundy

Out of nowhere, McCain hit a grand slam today. If you missed it, look for the video.

/it was nothing shory of amazing!

Gotta linky?

89 willowone  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:45:17am

re: #65 SpartanWoman

or the threats to free speech by Obama campaign.

90 coquimbojoe  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:45:17am

Krugman, nobel. I just threw up a little in my mouth. A more dishonest man, you could not find.

91 rusty_armor  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:45:46am

I am getting that same sinking feeling I had when Bob Dole "took off the gloves" ...

92 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:45:47am

I spent yesterday walking around Santa Monica and I have never in my entire life seen so many signs, bumper-stickers and t-shirts for a political candidate. It seemed that everywhere I turned I saw the word OBAMA.
At three different places, within a few blocks of each other, I saw tables set up for voter registration. All of them with life-size cardboard cutouts of Obama....and all of them had people lining up to register.

The excitement over Obama is something I've never seen before. It's a bit scary really. I honestly don't know how McCain can compete.

93 Florida Lady  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:45:54am

re: #82 Killian Bundy

Out of nowhere, McCain hit a grand slam today. If you missed it, look for the video.

/it was nothing shory of amazing!

He nees to do that during the debate, when people are watching.

94 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:46:07am

re: #82 Killian Bundy

Out of nowhere, McCain hit a grand slam today. If you missed it, look for the video.

/it was nothing shory of amazing!

The media (CNN, MSNBC, etc) is already portraying it as a triple-play bunt that shows just how desperate McCain's campaign is. Nothing new in the way of biased analysis, that's for sure.

95 tfc3rid  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:46:13am

Obama is a unrepentant socialist... Why John McCain will not say Obama's policies are akin to socialism is insane...

96 Florida Lady  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:46:25am

re: #92 Ringo the Gringo

I spent yesterday walking around Santa Monica and I have never in my entire life seen so many signs, bumper-stickers and t-shirts for a political candidate. It seemed that everywhere I turned I saw the word OBAMA.
At three different places, within a few blocks of each other, I saw tables set up for voter registration. All of them with life-size cardboard cutouts of Obama....and all of them had people lining up to register.

The excitement over Obama is something I've never seen before. It's a bit scary really. I honestly don't know how McCain can compete.


It's California.

Nuff said.

97 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:46:28am

re: #37 Cognito

If there were any justice in the world, Nouriel Roubini would have won the Nobel for economics.

From the New York Times, and please note the date:

THANK you for that!
I wasn't aware of it!

98 Cognito  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:46:58am

re: #87 Charles

I don't agree with Kristol on this, by the way. But he makes some undeniable points -- for whatever reason, the American public doesn't seem to care about Bill Ayers, or any of Obama's questionable associates. That line of attack just isn't working.

Can you really not think of any reason?

99 SpartanWoman  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:47:08am

re: #80 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I don't know what the hell you've been listening to, but Limbaugh, and Hannity, and Levin, and for that matter, most of us here, HAVE BEEN SAYING THE EXACT SAME THING ABOUT McCain FOR YEARS. That's hes no conservative!

But he's claiming to support him and all he does is hedge his bets! If he doesn't support him maybe he should tell his flock to stay home and go with the "It took a Carter to get a Reagan" shit he (although he denies it now) and his callers who parrot him spout incessantly.

I know he mimics McCain and compares him to a cartoon and criticises him as a lib. Fine. I have heard that plenty, and I, myself, wanted Romney, but I get disgusted with him "supporting" him one minute and stabbing him the next.

100 J.S.  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:47:09am

re: #24 lawhawk

I agree 100 percent...btw, Lou Dobbs also mentioned (hmmm...have to say that Dobbs has been absolutely excellent over the past few days and his program is well worth watching), Dobbs mentioned on his October 10, 2008 program that the financial adviser for Obama is (none other than) Robert Rubin. Heh! Robert Rubin -- the same who "helped drive CitiGroup into the mess it's in." That's Obama's "financial adviser" -- wow, wonderful pick there, Obama! From Wiki article on Robert Rubin -- "Rubin, who has been touted as a possible appointee to a cabinet post for Senator Obama. Rubin, alongside Austan Goolsbee and Paul Volcker, is one of Obama's economic advisers." Rubin, also from Wiki article: "In 1999, affirming his career-long interest in markets, Mr. Rubin joined Citigroup. Of note, the supermerger between Travelers Group and Citicorp was facilitated by the repeal of the Glass Steagall Act (Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act). This legislation was passed under the Clinton administration, days before Rubin's resignation. Consolidation of investment, commercial banking, and insurance services as practiced by Citigroup under the direction of Rubin, has been implicated in the subprime mortage crisis."

101 Lawrence Schmerel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:47:40am

I have no idea whether Bill Kristol is right about this. All I know is that I trust Bill Kristol. He has a very good track record.

102 J.S.  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:47:43am

re: #47 zombie

Hitchens is the ultimate jackass -- always has been, always will be.

103 zombie  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:47:43am

re: #84 Cognito

Among scientists Krugman is more prominent in economic circles than journalistic ones.

His "theory" for which he was putatively awarded the Nobel was rather juveline and self-evident, frankly. Many similar theories have been floated before or since, and his model doesn't really predict anything. He basicaly got the Nobel for a single paper he wrote long ago, which in retrospect was no great shakes.

He was awarded it for one reason only, and that it to help get Obama elected. I'm absolutely positive of it. He stature in the eyes of the Nobel Committee has gone way up because all he does is bash Republicans.

104 Wishing  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:47:49am

re: #58 seekeroftruth

How does Krystal's article help anyone but Obama? I am really tired of pundits on the right trashing our candidate. They are giving ammunition to the left and it needs to stop. There are only a few days left and we need to drag McCain over the finish line for the sake of this country. The Bill Krystals and Kathleen Parkers need to turn their eyes on Obama and look at who they are helping to win if they don't knock it off.

People like Krysal deserve what they get...they can have the moonbat fan club. I wont be paying any attention to him.
He thinks he is lining his future with Obama spots.
The guy is a puke.

105 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:47:49am

Bill Kristol should shut up and tell America the story about the WUO, Prairie Fire, Black Liberation Theology, institutionalized subterfuge like ACORN and how communists are about to ruin the country should Barack Obama win this election.

106 snowcrash  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:48:09am

I don't bother with Hitchens. I am concerned about Bill Krystol. He is a regular campaign analyst on Fox and his opinions are heard in the McCain camp. I think it is too late for his suggestion to fire the campaign but not to late to follow some of his suggestions like reminding about judge appointments and a majority Democrat Congress that will not put the brakes on any of Obamas spending plans.

107 Claudia  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:48:13am

re: #8 zombie

This Bill Kristol character sounds like a Moby. Purposely giving bad advice, just to screw with McCain's mind.

This term Moby is new to me. Where did it come from?

108 Intrepid  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:48:25am

re: #83 MandyManners

Are you in a "battle-ground" state?

No (TN, heh) but some of these ads were nationally run, I think, since it was during NFL games. At least regionally run.

Have you seen any McCain ads? I've seen virtually none since the democrat primary.

109 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:48:36am

re: #92 Ringo the Gringo

I spent yesterday walking around Santa Monica and I have never in my entire life seen so many signs, bumper-stickers and t-shirts for a political candidate. It seemed that everywhere I turned I saw the word OBAMA.
At three different places, within a few blocks of each other, I saw tables set up for voter registration. All of them with life-size cardboard cutouts of Obama....and all of them had people lining up to register.

The excitement over Obama is something I've never seen before. It's a bit scary really. I honestly don't know how McCain can compete.

I went to Santa Monica once. A weirder place I have yet to see. Never could get past all the street people.

110 DeafDog  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:48:41am

re: #87 Charles

I don't agree with Kristol on this, by the way. But he makes some undeniable points -- for whatever reason, the American public doesn't seem to care about Bill Ayers, or any of Obama's questionable associates. That line of attack just isn't working.

There is a high probability that McCain will lose this campaign regardless of what he does, but once you go down the path he has started, it would be a mistake to change that approach. The over-arching theme is that Obama is not who he claims to be.

It hasn't worked because they stopped at Ayers. Let's hear about Rezko now. And let's put Wright back on the table, too. And let's also reraise Obamas history of drug use and Acorn and everything else.

111 maddogg  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:48:45am

re: #102 J.S.

Hitchens is the ultimate jackass -- always has been, always will be.


Amd I would include the good Dr. Krauthammer in that group.

112 Florida Lady  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:48:57am

Oh, happy day.

Let this loon lose! [Link: abcnews.go.com...]

He's the guy who replaced Mark Foley 2 years ago . . . barely.

113 Cognito  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:48:57am

re: #97 pre-Boomer Marine brat

THANK you for that!
I wasn't aware of it!

Get your financial info at RGEmonitor.com. It's Roubini's blog and service.

You won't always smile as you read it. But you'll know what's happening to your neighbor's money six months before he does.

114 seekeroftruth  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:49:20am

re: #105 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Bill Kristol should shut up and tell America the story about the WUO, Prairie Fire, Black Liberation Theology, institutionalized subterfuge like ACORN and how communists are about to ruin the country should Barack Obama win this election.

Exactly!

115 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:49:22am

re: #95 tfc3rid

Obama is a unrepentant socialist... Why John McCain will not say Obama's policies are akin to socialism is insane...

Minor tweak.

116 Wishing  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:49:23am

re: #80 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I don't know what the hell you've been listening to, but Limbaugh, and Hannity, and Levin, and for that matter, most of us here, HAVE BEEN SAYING THE EXACT SAME THING ABOUT McCain FOR YEARS. That's hes no conservative!

Agree..he is no conservative. But what choice do ANY of us have? Roll over for the Zero? And see my country turn into a giant mosque? Not on your life.
I wont bail out on McCain/Palin

117 Killian Bundy  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:49:29am

re: #88 Alouette

Gotta linky?

Not yet. He was seriously on fire.

/the crowd was vehemently frothing at the mouth, it was campaign gold, three more weeks of it and we win going away

118 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:49:36am

re: #107 Claudia

This term Moby is new to me. Where did it come from?

[Link: lgfdictionary.wordpress.com...]

119 SpartanWoman  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:49:43am

re: #103 zombie

The Nobel Prize is a joke. Al Gore, Jimmy Carter. Why not Michael Moore?
Look for Obama to win it if he rids the world of a certain "festering sore"

120 jwb7605  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:49:44am

re: #101 Lawrence Schmerel

I have no idea whether Bill Kristol is right about this. All I know is that I trust Bill Kristol. He has a very good track record.

In 2000, Kristol was smug and was virtually guaranteeing a McCain win over Bush in the primaries.

121 willowone  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:49:45am

re: #106 snowcrash

well i wish He would have written McCain an e-mail instead of public slap.

122 zombie  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:50:19am

re: #87 Charles

I don't agree with Kristol on this, by the way. But he makes some undeniable points -- for whatever reason, the American public doesn't seem to care about Bill Ayers, or any of Obama's questionable associates. That line of attack just isn't working.

I respectfully disagree. I think the Ayers attack has worked somewhat, and the reason it hasn't worked better is that it has been downplayed and mollified by the MSM. E.g. Ayers was "a Vietnam-era radical" etc.

If everyone in the country was confronted by the real truth of who Ayers is and how closely Obama was associated with him, it would damage Obama immensely.

123 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:50:19am

re: #113 Cognito

Get your financial info at RGEmonitor.com. It's Roubini's blog and service.

You won't always smile as you read it. But you'll know what's happening to your neighbor's money six months before he does.

Thanks again!

124 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:50:19am

re: #107 Claudia

This term Moby is new to me. Where did it come from?

The "artist" Moby told moonbats to go onto conservatives sites and pose as conservatives and offer bad advice and make racist/biased comments so they could be taken as examples of how "evil right wingers" act and think.

125 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:50:31am
126 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:50:32am

re: #105 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Bill Kristol should shut up and tell America the story about the WUO, Prairie Fire, Black Liberation Theology, institutionalized subterfuge like ACORN and how communists are about to ruin the country should Barack Obama win this election.

Spot on.

127 tfc3rid  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:50:35am

re: #87 Charles

I don't agree with Kristol on this, by the way. But he makes some undeniable points -- for whatever reason, the American public doesn't seem to care about Bill Ayers, or any of Obama's questionable associates. That line of attack just isn't working.

I think it isn't working because the people are being told, that they attacks are lies... Thing is, these associations are true and the people we are talking about ARE as bad as McCain/Palin are making them out to be...

The fact that the MSM and Obama campaign say that these are 'swiftboating' attacks makes a whole lot of people think they are lies...

I've mentioned the connections here atr work to people many times and all they say is that they aren't true. They do say that if the stories were true it would be a problem... the issue is people just don't believe the connections because they are being told they aren't true...

128 joekowalski247  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:51:05am

Maybe McCain should have a town hall meeting in a forest somewhere and ask all the trees how they want their country run too.. That might get some of those Obama supporters to jump the fence?

129 Cognito  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:51:06am

re: #103 zombie

No doubt. Some people seem shocked to find out Krugman is regarded as an economist, though.

130 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:51:25am
131 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:51:42am

re: #108 Intrepid

No (TN, heh) but some of these ads were nationally run, I think, since it was during NFL games. At least regionally run.

Have you seen any McCain ads? I've seen virtually none since the democrat primary.

I've seen quite a few McCain ads.

132 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:51:57am

re: #86 buzzsawmonkey

McCain is the Democrat in this election; Palin is the Republican.

Obama is the Marxist radical; Joe Biden represents the Gramscian Whore Party.

Exactly buzz. That was my point- we cannot trust McCain to do what's best for conservatives. The record of him doing this just is not there. He's too quick to reach across the aisle and compromise, rather than fight for conservative principles. When the hell was the last time the libs reached across to compromise with us? NEVER!

Like I said- Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, etc. have been saying this for years, albeit preaching to the choir. It's NOT bloviating to keep his 98% stat.

133 stevieray  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:52:17am

re: #92 Ringo the Gringo

I spent yesterday walking around Santa Monica and I have never in my entire life seen so many signs, bumper-stickers and t-shirts for a political candidate. It seemed that everywhere I turned I saw the word OBAMA.
At three different places, within a few blocks of each other, I saw tables set up for voter registration. All of them with life-size cardboard cutouts of Obama....and all of them had people lining up to register.

The excitement over Obama is something I've never seen before. It's a bit scary really. I honestly don't know how McCain can compete.

I live in NJ... a blue state. The Obama supporters I run into are unenthusiastic for the most part.

They think he is the better of the two choices, but not by much, and they don't really trust Obama to do what he says he will do.

134 Hard Right  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:52:28am

re: #47 zombie

My opinion of Hitchens just plummeted off the cliff.

He still reverts back to idiot leftist mode from time to time. Glitch in the circuitry.

135 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:52:35am
136 zombie  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:52:36am

re: #102 J.S.

Hitchens is the ultimate jackass -- always has been, always will be.

I disagree. Up until about ten minutes ago, I actually liked Christopher Hitchens.

Unless he backpedals on his Obama support, I don't like him any more.

137 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:52:42am

re: #87 Charles

Kaus was making a similar point - you can attack on Ayers and Acorn and all the rest, but have to make the connection with current policy.

Ayers is pushing radical leftist educational policy, and Obama was helping him do so until very recently. ACORN is furthering Obama's goals, and is closely tied to the financial meltdown, and affordable housing is anything but when you have to dole out $700 billion in a bailout; trillions of stock market value wiped out including 401ks and pensions. Obama continues to include Fannie and Freddie company execs as his advisers and taking calls from 'em despite their role in peddling the subprime mess and repackaging the toxic paper.

I do think the Ayers-terrorism to Obama ties argument is a solid one, but McCain's not making it strongly or focused enough. It goes to the character of Obama and McCain simply isn't making that case clear enough.

138 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:52:42am

re: #119 SpartanWoman

The Nobel Prize is a joke. Al Gore, Jimmy Carter. Why not Michael Moore?
Look for Obama to win it if he rids the world of a certain "festering sore"

Yasser.

139 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:52:56am

re: #121 willowone

well i wish He would have written McCain an e-mail instead of public slap.

George Will is at it also. Problem I have with pundits in general is that they are not good people to have around in a fire-fight.

140 J.S.  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:53:00am

re: #111 maddogg

I have my reasons for intensely disliking Hitchens...but I wouldn't say the same about Krauthammer. So, pourquoi?

141 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:53:32am

re: #90 coquimbojoe

Krugman, nobel. I just threw up a little in my mouth. A more dishonest man, you could not find.

Algore, nobel. A more dishonest man you could not find.

/Hmmm, seems like you can just insert your favorite liberal Nobel prize winner.

142 joekowalski247  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:53:32am

re: #124 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The "artist" Moby told moonbats to go onto conservatives sites and pose as conservatives and offer bad advice and make racist/biased comments so they could be taken as examples of how "evil right wingers" act and think.


Is this information available on the all wise all knowing Wikapedia?

143 bulwrk  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:53:42am

re: #92 Ringo the Gringo

Its not called the "Peoples Republic of Santa Monica" for nothing you know

144 Wishing  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:53:44am

re: #110 DeafDog

It hasn't worked because they stopped at Ayers. Let's hear about Rezko now. And let's put Wright back on the table, too. And let's also reraise Obamas history of drug use and Acorn and everything else.

And ther eis SO MUCH more!
Take a peek at Alexi Giannoulias and Broadway bank
One of many stories..

145 maddogg  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:54:12am

re: #135 buzzsawmonkey

"Hello, I'm Barack Obama. I'm here to offer you Government--in the Large Economy Size Seize!"

Without even an extra large ribbed condom....

146 Hard Right  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:54:27am

re: #127 tfc3rid

I think it isn't working because the people are being told, that they attacks are lies... Thing is, these associations are true and the people we are talking about ARE as bad as McCain/Palin are making them out to be...

The fact that the MSM and Obama campaign say that these are 'swiftboating' attacks makes a whole lot of people think they are lies...

I've mentioned the connections here atr work to people many times and all they say is that they aren't true. They do say that if the stories were true it would be a problem... the issue is people just don't believe the connections because they are being told they aren't true...

I've found that the people who don't believe the stories don't want to believe them. No amount of proof presented will change that.

147 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:54:37am

re: #122 zombie

I respectfully disagree. I think the Ayers attack has worked somewhat, and the reason it hasn't worked better is that it has been downplayed and mollified by the MSM. E.g. Ayers was "a Vietnam-era radical" etc.

If everyone in the country was confronted by the real truth of who Ayers is and how closely Obama was associated with him, it would damage Obama immensely.

I agree, but have a question to carry it further. Much of the population is younger than me, and I'm out of touch with them. To what extent are the 20-30-somethings unaware (clueless even?) about what went on in the Sixties?

148 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:54:40am

re: #95 tfc3rid

Obama is a unrepentant socialist... Why John McCain will not say Obama's policies are akin to socialism is insane...

..cause 95% of Americans will not see a tax increase.. and 1/2 of America will see a tax break. Only Richie-Rich and evil corporations will see higher taxes. It's good to tax the rich, as they need pay their fair share.

/that's what he's got America believing. So calling the One a socialists is actually insulting 1/2 of America.

149 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:54:43am

re: #92 Ringo the Gringo

I spent yesterday walking around Santa Monica and I have never in my entire life seen so many signs, bumper-stickers and t-shirts for a political candidate. It seemed that everywhere I turned I saw the word OBAMA.
At three different places, within a few blocks of each other, I saw tables set up for voter registration. All of them with life-size cardboard cutouts of Obama....and all of them had people lining up to register.

The excitement over Obama is something I've never seen before. It's a bit scary really. I honestly don't know how McCain can compete.

And where I live it's 10-1 GOP v. Dem signs.

150 alien_mind  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:55:03am

re: #81 zombie

Fuggedaboutit!

Nothing McCain does will inspire positive MSM coverage. Period! The media is absolutely in the tank for Obama. They are salivating over this!

McCain only has one hope, and that is to bash Obama's character relentlessly. The issues do not really matter. And nothing McCain can do now will make the populace think highly of him, because the media won't cooperate in the portrayal.

Bash, bash, bash Obama.


The media doesn't need to cooperate or buy-in, the point isn't to convince the MSM. What i said is talk over the media directly to the people. He can do that in ads, speeches, and in the debate.
Bashing Obama continuosly as you suggest is imo a losing strategy.

151 willowone  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:55:17am

re: #139 unreconstructed rebel

Well i'd like to know how wise these Pundits really are after krauthammer, Hitchens, Parker, Kristol. and so on.
What they can't see the danger the republic is in and connect the dots?

152 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:55:43am

Piss on their prairie fire, and drag McCain kicking and screaming over the finish line.

153 tfc3rid  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:55:49am

I agree with making a story still out of Rezko, Wright, Obama's past drug use (I think I heard every day about GWB's drug and alcohol abuse as a REALLY bad thing for someone who wished to be President), ACORN and all the ties to the Chicago Machine...

The american people don't think these items are TRUE... This needs to be explained really succinctly...

154 Intrepid  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:55:59am

Off to the glorious grocery store - bbl.

155 SpartanWoman  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:56:06am

re: #151 willowone

Well i'd like to know how wise these Pundits really are after krauthammer, Hitchens, Parker, Kristol. and so on.
What they can't see the danger the republic is in and connect the dots?

It's all about their careers.

156 puckish and beguiling  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:56:07am

Just back from the McCain/Palin rally in Va. Beach. There was a huge turn out--I think they were expecting 20,000, and I don't know what the true numbers were, but there were tons of people. Only saw a few moonbats--2 Code Pink people and some SteelWorkers for Obama, but everyone around us as we walked in just ignored them. The Husband went to a Clinton rally Columbus Day weekend 1992 and he said it was no where as big as this one. Anywho, Palin talked (mispronounced Norfolk) and then McCain, and the audience was positive and supportive and cheering for him--none of this negative, inciting violence and hatred that The Today Show was talking about this morning. Definitely got me more excited! He talked about how we have to fight to win--and we do.

157 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:56:35am

re: #142 joekowalski247

Is this information available on the all wise all knowing Wikapedia?

No, but as I posted upthread, it is in the LGF Dictionary.

158 tfc3rid  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:57:03am

re: #146 Hard Right

I've found that the people who don't believe the stories don't want to believe them. No amount of proof presented will change that.

I have found people just enough on the fence that this sort of thing might change their minds... I give them links to the stories and they hit back that it is from 'right wing propaganda' sites... Argh...

159 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:57:19am

re: #119 SpartanWoman

The Nobel Prize is a joke. Al Gore, Jimmy Carter. Why not Michael Moore?
Look for Obama to win it if he rids the world of a certain "festering sore"

When you understand the reasoning, at least in part, for the Nobel Prize it makes perfect sense why it get politicized the way it does.

160 Colonel Panik  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:57:21am

re: #109 unreconstructed rebel

I went to Santa Monica once. A weirder place I have yet to see. Never could get past all the street people.


You've obviously never been to San FranFreakshow.

161 sagamoregal  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:57:29am

"The Bill Krystals and Kathleen Parkers need to turn their eyes on Obama and look at who they are helping to win if they don't knock it off."

Kathleen Parker hasn't been all that conservative since she started pallin' around with Chrissy Matthews on his Sunday talk show. Something about turning more liberal that makes once attractive women such as Ms Parker start looking "haggish". I had not seen her in months and tuned in by mistake last Sunday to the "Chris Matthews" show on our NBC affiliable. I saw it long enough to do a double take on how badly Ms Parker is looking these days. Is she sick (other than the Palin Derangement Syndrum)? She gives Susan Estrich a run for the money in "the ugliest white woman on TV" category.

As for Bill Kristol, he has the "VPILTF" hots for Sarah so badly he can't think straight these days.

162 maddogg  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:57:48am

re: #140 J.S.

I have my reasons for intensely disliking Hitchens...but I wouldn't say the same about Krauthammer. So, pourquoi?

Krauthammer is a gun contorller, and openly hates Sarah Palin. He is a Washington elitist and therefore may kiss my ass. I've no use for the sour twit.

163 Pyrocles  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:57:53am

Exactly! People like my parents and co-workers simply refuse to believe the stories are true. They're nothing but stupid Internet rumors, spread by Republicans. If it isn't on MSNBC, it's not true.

re: #127 tfc3rid

I think it isn't working because the people are being told, that they attacks are lies... Thing is, these associations are true and the people we are talking about ARE as bad as McCain/Palin are making them out to be...

The fact that the MSM and Obama campaign say that these are 'swiftboating' attacks makes a whole lot of people think they are lies...

I've mentioned the connections here atr work to people many times and all they say is that they aren't true. They do say that if the stories were true it would be a problem... the issue is people just don't believe the connections because they are being told they aren't true...

164 reine.de.tout  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:58:32am

re: #87 Charles

I don't agree with Kristol on this, by the way. But he makes some undeniable points -- for whatever reason, the American public doesn't seem to care about Bill Ayers, or any of Obama's questionable associates. That line of attack just isn't working.

There are many people who have, at some point in their lives, been at least acquainted with someone whose morals and ethics and behavior turned out be suspect and "questionable". I think it is for that reason, some people don't take Obama's past associations all that seriously. They should, of course, but if they look at it at all, I think they just see it as youthful indiscretion.

The issue that might get people stirred up would be his current associations, but Obama and his team seem to have done a good job scrubbing and cleaning up records of his recent and current associations. Actually, that may have started when he was first chosen and began to be groomed for his presidential run. And they seem to be hiding Michelle.

165 snowcrash  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:58:39am

McCain must not give up on hammering ACORNs role in the sub prime mess and voter fraud scandal. Obama has direct and recent ties. Even the most uninformed of voters can connect the dots and they are still angry over the Fannie May mess/bailout.

166 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:58:44am
167 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:58:45am

re: #151 willowone

Well i'd like to know how wise these Pundits really are after krauthammer, Hitchens, Parker, Kristol. and so on.
What they can't see the danger the republic is in and connect the dots?

I think it's all about appearing original and unusual, as if they are somehow above the whole process.

If they're so fucking smart, WHY AREN'T THEY RUNNING FOR OFFICE?

168 itellu3times  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:58:58am

re: #74 ploome hineni

Who manufactured the financial meltdown? It wasn’t only Wall Street: OPEC’s heavy hand is felt but unseen by the media and our politicians.

Well, no, not really. Say rather energy prices, most of which are domestic, or to Canada, or Mexico - are any of these in OPEC? But whatever, they only popped the bubble a few months sooner, it was going to happen, and it has.

169 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:59:05am

re: #151 willowone

Well i'd like to know how wise these Pundits really are after krauthammer, Hitchens, Parker, Kristol. and so on.
What they can't see the danger the republic is in and connect the dots?

Problem with Will & Kristol is that they are purists. They don't like to understand that politics is a contact sport.

170 SpartanWoman  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:59:08am

re: #161 sagamoregal

If she's really conservative she won't get the money for Matthew's show. It's always about their careers and their ability to pal around with the MSM as resident pet conservative

171 Wishing  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:59:08am

re: #151 willowone

Well i'd like to know how wise these Pundits really are after krauthammer, Hitchens, Parker, Kristol. and so on.
What they can't see the danger the republic is in and connect the dots?

Maybe they do see the danger and are positioning themselves....

172 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:59:27am

re: #109 unreconstructed rebel

I went to Santa Monica once. A weirder place I have yet to see. Never could get past all the street people.

Must have been quite a while ago. The street people are pretty much gone now (mostly to Venice Beach). Today Santa Monica is clean and all high-rent.

173 Cognito  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:59:27am

re: #162 maddogg

Krauthammer is a gun contorller, and openly hates Sarah Palin. He is a Washington elitist and therefore may kiss my ass. I've no use for the sour twit.

Exaggerate much?

Krauthammer doesn't think Sarah Palin is the most qualified VP choice in American history. That is not hate.

174 DustyRoadsRVer  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:59:28am

Hi all, I don't often sign in as usually we have slow internet and is a waste of time trying to comment.
I am a Kanuk, but like to follow US politics. This is a little off topic, but if you go back into the days of our worst Prime Minister we ever had, he had the same style as BHO. He was virtually unknown to the general public, had charisma, was a sympathiser of Socialism. He was friends with most dicators and spent a lot in Soviet Russia. He hated Ronald Regan and would flaunt Socialism any time he could. He idolized Fidel Castro's Cuba.
One just needs to look at his time as PM to see the destruction that occurs when a Chrismatic, Ultra Socialist decides to change a country. He brought us the National Energy Program which destroyed our economy and our standard of living for many years, the flawed constitution that he authored . I think BHO has many of the same qualties, types of alliances and support that PET had.

175 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:59:34am

re: #156 puckish and beguiling

Love the nic!

176 jcm  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:59:37am

re: #148 unrealizedviewpoint

..cause 95% of Americans will not see a tax increase.. and 1/2 of America will see a tax break. Only Richie-Rich and evil corporations will see higher taxes. It's good to tax the rich, as they need pay their fair share.

/that's what he's got America believing. So calling the One a socialists is actually insulting 1/2 of America.

This election IMHO is the de Tocqueville tipping point. If Obama wins, more than half the people have be bribed with money from the public treasury.

177 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:59:51am

re: #160 Colonel Panik

You've obviously never been to San FranFreakshow.

Thanks. I consider myself warned.

178 zombie  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:59:53am

re: #147 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I agree, but have a question to carry it further. Much of the population is younger than me, and I'm out of touch with them. To what extent are the 20-30-somethings unaware (clueless even?) about what went on in the Sixties?

100% unaware. All they get is disinformation.

Futhermore, most young people these days couldn't tell you the difference between the 1960s and the 1860's. It's all a blur to them.

This is true story: A journalist I know, in her late 20s, was working on a feature story last year, and she asked me at one point, "Which came first -- the Civil War or the Korean War?"

Yes, it's that bad.

179 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 9:59:56am

re: #142 joekowalski247

Is this information available on the all wise all knowing Wikapedia?

No

180 Dizzy26  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:00:16am

With justified FURY, Mr. McCain needs to begin his statements in the last SCHEDULED debate with; 'Barack Obama is a LIAR'! He has been lying to America every time he says " 95 percent of Americans will recieve a TAX CUT under MY plan!"!
and add "AND I WILL PROVE IT NOW!"

And then show the graph FNC just NOW showed. 95% will have their taxes INCREASE!

If he does, He will turn the tide!

181 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:00:39am
182 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:00:52am

re: #167 MandyManners

I think it's all about appearing original and unusual, as if they are somehow above the whole process.

If they're so fucking smart, WHY AREN'T THEY RUNNING FOR OFFICE?

Instead of doing, they are talking.

183 stevieray  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:01:02am

re: #122 zombie

I respectfully disagree. I think the Ayers attack has worked somewhat, and the reason it hasn't worked better is that it has been downplayed and mollified by the MSM. E.g. Ayers was "a Vietnam-era radical" etc.

If everyone in the country was confronted by the real truth of who Ayers is and how closely Obama was associated with him, it would damage Obama immensely.

I gotta agree with you. So far, the story has been spun as "old news... something from the 60's".

The McCain camp has to emphasize that Ayers still believes that Marxist indoctrination belongs in the schools, and Obama helped him spread that message.

Parents react strongly to the politicization of education -- especially grade school education -- and if McCain can get that point across, it will resonate.

184 itellu3times  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:01:16am

re: #87 Charles

I don't agree with Kristol on this, by the way. But he makes some undeniable points -- for whatever reason, the American public doesn't seem to care about Bill Ayers, or any of Obama's questionable associates. That line of attack just isn't working.

McCain has failed to provide even a hint of a policy reason for his own candidacy. "Maverick!" doesn't cut it.

185 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:01:24am

re: #171 Wishing

Maybe they do see the danger and are positioning themselves....

Where I grew up, that is called running. They did the same damn thing to G.H.W Bush.

186 legalpad  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:01:27am

re: #173 Cognito

Krauthammer is a gun contorller,

Really? I did not know that. I'll root around his articles.

187 SpartanWoman  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:01:42am

re: #180 Dizzy26

Nope. He'll just look whiney and desperate. He has to smack him down without calling him a liar. ANd he must not get loud, let Obama get loud

188 calvin coolidge  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:01:43am

I wish Bill Kristol would change his recipe for hamburgers. Talk about a need for change.......those Kristol burgers suck.

189 Killian Bundy  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:01:58am

re: #156 puckish and beguiling

SteelWorkers for Obama

/isn't it Ironic

190 maddogg  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:01:58am

re: #173 Cognito

Exaggerate much?

Krauthammer doesn't think Sarah Palin is the most qualified VP choice in American history. That is not hate.

He doesn't seem to be equally distressed with Obama's lack of qualification, does he. Screw him.

191 FrogMarch  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:02:20am

What about McCain mentioning some basic conservative ideals?
In a simple and rational way:

Low taxes.
Keep government out of the business of health care. No universal health care.
Keep the Bush tax cuts. (yes - say it!)
Paint Barry as the left-winger he is.

192 Cognito  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:03:01am

re: #190 maddogg

He doesn't seem to be equally distressed with Obama's lack of qualification, does he. Screw him.

You need to read more Krauthammer.

193 maddogg  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:03:40am

re: #192 Cognito

You need to read more Krauthammer.

No, I don't.

194 tigger2005  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:04:05am

"The American people have by no means turned decisively against them."

What planet does this guy live on? Does he live in media-la-la-land? Does he believe everything they say on the alphabet channels? What in the world have McCain & Palin done that would make the American people "turn decisively against them"?

When I went door-to-door for McCain/Palin Friday and Sunday, I found neighborhoods solidly behind the Republican ticket. I found far more McCain/Palin signs than Obama signs. I found people who were informed, opinionated, and very much aware of ACORN and Obama's socialist tendencies.

No, Bill, McCain just needs to show plenty of fire in the upcoming debate, the fire he showed when he spoke on the Monday before the last debate. Palin just needs to keep being Palin. And keep the ads coming. The truth about Obama is getting out, no matter how hard the MSM tries to squash it.

195 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:04:18am

Christopher Hitchens has succumbed to PDS.

Vote For Obama

Hitch is little more than an anti-religious and anti-semitic bigot who long ago dove to the bottom of a whiskey barrel.

Good riddance.

196 Wishing  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:04:38am

Dont over- react to this twit's *advice* The truth is, if Obama was so popular with Americans...where are the numbers? His numbers reflect FAILURE guys, not victory.
You can bamboozle some Americans with MSM, but not all.
And Americans despise elitists.
Obama will drown in his own spit come Nov 4.

197 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:04:47am

Pox News.

198 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:04:53am

re: #172 Ringo the Gringo

Must have been quite a while ago. The street people are pretty much gone now (mostly to Venice Beach). Today Santa Monica is clean and all high-rent.

I live here and totally disagree. I'll need play zombie for an afternoon and return with the proof for you.

I pass a Catholic church/school daily (with a huge park next to it) filled to the brim with homeless all scattered 20 feet apart, carts, possessions everywhere..
amongst all this are groups of 8 to 12 year olds playing games. It's surreal.

199 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:05:05am

re: #99 SpartanWoman

But he's claiming to support him and all he does is hedge his bets! If he doesn't support him maybe he should tell his flock to stay home and go with the "It took a Carter to get a Reagan" shit he (although he denies it now) and his callers who parrot him spout incessantly.

I know he mimics McCain and compares him to a cartoon and criticises him as a lib. Fine. I have heard that plenty, and I, myself, wanted Romney, but I get disgusted with him "supporting" him one minute and stabbing him the next.

Levin supports him too. Hannity also. So do most of us. But we support McCain because he is the lesser of two evils, which is not the way to pick whom will lead our country, but it is what it is.

When this campaign started I doubt 1 in 10 of LGF readers/posters supported McCain. You said you supported Romney. I was for Thompson until he dropped out, and I voted for Romney here in Missouri. Most of us will agree either would have been a much better conservative and candidate than McCain!

But McCain is our candidate whether we like it or not. And McCain is 100 times better that the alternative. That is the only choice we have, unless you want to waste your vote by voting for Bob Barr.

200 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:05:19am

re: #178 zombie

100% unaware. All they get is disinformation.

Futhermore, most young people these days couldn't tell you the difference between the 1960s and the 1860's. It's all a blur to them.

This is true story: A journalist I know, in her late 20s, was working on a feature story last year, and she asked me at one point, "Which came first -- the Civil War or the Korean War?"

Yes, it's that bad.

I didn't realize it was THAT bad! Are there schools where basic history simply is NOT being taught?

201 Colin Nelson  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:05:25am

#87 Charles: A first but, with respect, I couldn't disagree more on the Ayers, Wright thing.

It is almost impossible to find any media covering the Ayers, Wright, Acorn etc issues with anything like objectivity. No wonder these important issues do not seem to be working.

On the Acorn/BHO connection alone - the suing of the banks(by Acorn, Obama) to force mortgages, loans to unqualified applicants the public -should cause even the least curious to raise an eyebrow.

Instead, the MSM constantly places the financial crisis at the foot of Bush/McCain/Republicans.

They refuse to do their homework and we suffer as a result.

202 SpartanWoman  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:05:26am

re: #192 Cognito

You need to read more Krauthammer.

He's basically palatable. But you just don't see dems second guessing and hedging every bet the way the GOP pundits do. They stay in line and push their case. Wish we could keep our pundits on a tighter leash.

203 CapeCoddah  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:05:41am

re: #29 Who Watches the Watchmen?

The Dow is over 9000.

*Snoopy dance*

Did they arrest Soros?/

204 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:06:19am
205 Cognito  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:06:23am

re: #193 maddogg

No, I don't.

Apparently you do, if you think he's paid no attention to Obama and his lack of qualifications. He calls Obama a "pretender."

And I'm starting to think the same of you.

206 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:06:29am

Liberals behaving badly:

Dem Congressman accusing McCain of spreading racism
Liberals vandalize county GOP headquarters; Write "Republican means slavery" on door
Liberals Shout-down pro-McCain march, Attempt to suppress free speech
Liberal rage; Vandals torch McCain sign

That last link is suffering a Drudge attack right now.
So, given the above, now who thinks I'm alarmist for purchasing a gun for this election? (looks sideways at OR)

;-)

207 debutaunt  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:06:31am

re: #25 SagamoreGal

O/T, I know but since we're all lamenting the impending increasing of the Welfare States of America:

Ayn Rand in Atlas Shrugged

(Speaking through the character of Francisco d'Anconia)

"But you say that money is made by the strong at the expense of the weak? What strength do you mean? It is not the strength of guns or muscles. Wealth is the product of man’s capacity to think. Then is money made by the man who invents a motor at the expense of those who did not invent it? Is money made by the intelligent at the expense of the fools? By the able at the expense of the incompetent? By the ambitious at the expense of the lazy? Money is made- before it can be looted or mooched – made by the effort of every honest man, each to the extent of his ability. An honest man is one who knows that he can’t consume more than he has produced. "

It took longer than she expected.

208 FrogMarch  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:06:38am

If Obama is defensive - attack more.

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

209 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:06:42am

re: #195 Dirk Diggler

hey Dirk! You in the new Larry Flint "Palin" movie?

210 Oldasdirt[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:07:10am
211 SpartanWoman  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:07:29am

re: #199 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

If they support him so much they should drop the post mortem analyses until after the election is over.

212 Thanos  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:07:30am

Bill gets wobbly knees at the worst possible moments. I agree that McCain must put forth the positive and go wall to wall town hall now until election day, but... the negatives on Barack are much too important to ignore.

213 Cognito  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:07:31am

re: #202 SpartanWoman

...you just don't see dems second guessing and hedging every bet the way the GOP pundits do.

Hmm. I wonder why.

214 bill-tb  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:07:31am

Isn't it odd that Krystol gets the campaign he wants and now doesn't want it? Why I don't bother with Krystol, Barnes and the rest of the losers in the Republican party.

When McCain goes conservative his polls go up. Go figure...

215 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:07:57am

re: #210 Oldasdirt

Please, oh please do not say that. Makes us look like loonies.

216 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:08:01am

Obama's going to give his speech on the economy in a few minutes.

217 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:08:04am

re: #181 buzzsawmonkey

I've never thought he would. He certainly wasn't my choice in the primaries.

That is unimportant. Obama has the biggest collection of creeps surrounding him within memory; the mere crooks and incompetents are the best of the lot, and they fade off quickly into the radicals, America-haters, vote-fraudsters, and surrender jockeys. Say what you will about Democrats--and people here certainly do--that party had patriots as well as crooks once upon a time. No more.

I don't have to like McCain very much at all to prefer him mightily to the alternative.

Exactly, GMTA- Read my #199.

218 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:08:05am

They're going to call it an "appeal to fear", but it is a very real concern:

Obama means a Soros puppet administration with a rubber-stamp congress, free to run rampant and do whatever the hell they want with what little is left of our money. And there's absolutely no sign that they know what to do with it.

Inexperienced President with lowest-approved Congress ever, all running Left. Left-wing judicial appointments. And of course, Obama being right in the thick of all this housing mess, happily working hand-in-hand for years with the very people who helped cause all of it. That's in addition to blatant lies and 180-flips on all his pre-debate positions.

Stick to that line and hammer it: Unchecked, left-wing, inexperienced, unknown, at the worst possible time.

No catchphrases. No "my friends", no "stinking corpse", pay attention to how Obama structures his sentences and mimic how he presents his case. Simple.

219 Dave the.....  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:08:06am

Barry is running against President Bush. Is there a tactful way McCain can run against Nancy Pelosi? With Obama-Pelosi-Reid running the country, there will be no brakes to their agenda. No one to say "hold on a minute, we need to look at this a bit more".

220 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:08:25am

re: #87 Charles

I don't agree with Kristol on this, by the way. But he makes some undeniable points -- for whatever reason, the American public doesn't seem to care about Bill Ayers, or any of Obama's questionable associates. That line of attack just isn't working.

I disagree. McCain can make the media cover it finally by bringing it up at the debate. The media will not mention anything bad about Obama and McCain needs to make it newsworthy by saying it out loud and in public. Force the media to address it.

On the other hand, the media is so good at covering for Obama that they likely already have little scroll messages already set to play on the bottom of the screen to counter any negative criticism of Obama as he speaks it.

221 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:08:35am

re: #204 buzzsawmonkey

I think you mean, "Are there any schools where basic history is being taught?"

Heh! Could be.

222 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:08:38am
223 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:08:43am

re: #210 Oldasdirt

Barack Obama’s rise to fame is a mystery. He is an unknown, inexperienced junior senator with no accomplishments. There is no content to his speeches. He preaches change for the sake of change, but fails to explain in full how that change will be brought about.
Antoin Rezko,William Ayers,Emil Jones Jr,Rashid Khalidi,The Rev. Michael Pfleger, All of these associations of (The One)and many more mean nothing to the MSM,or 40% of the American people.
B.H.O. is the anti christ.

Nah.

224 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:09:04am

re: #215 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He must be one of those Obama plants sent to make us look stupid.
/Big fat sarc tag

225 runrabbitrun  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:09:05am

Kristol: "The bad news, of course, is that right now Obama’s approval/disapproval rating is better than McCain’s. Indeed, Obama’s is a bit higher than it was a month ago. That suggests the failure of the McCain campaign’s attacks on Obama.

So drop them."

Wrong. The Ayers ads would work magnificently if they focused primarily on Obama's biggest political liability (his radically far left politics), instead of bringing almost 100% of the viewers attention on Ayers background, which easily allows for the typical Obamite response "but Obaaaaama was only eight years old when these ATTACKS happened... This is old." And too many voters seem to agree.

So instead of beating that dead horse along with Hannity, and demanding that Obama simply admit that he had 'bad judgment' to ally with Ayers (and what a plea bargain that is! I would NEVER let Obama off with that mealy-mouthed tag!) Hit home to the voters what is timely, and what counts for them and the nation NOW, about their political meet-up and subsequent alliance: the match of Obama's policy goals with Ayers - Barry's far-left radical goals which were completely in sympathy with a terrorist who hoped to bring down this nation; so much so that Ayers trusted Obama to administer monies in pursuit of his policy ends.

If Mac's campaign ads emphasized Obama's agenda as in sync with this anti-American criminal, they'd have pumped his numbers by 5- 10%.

226 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:09:06am

re: #219 Dave the.....

Barry is running against President Bush. Is there a tactful way McCain can run against Nancy Pelosi? With Obama-Pelosi-Reid running the country, there will be no brakes to their agenda. No one to say "hold on a minute, we need to look at this a bit more".

Nancy Pelosi? Who's that? ..says typical American.

227 krycek  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:09:20am

re: #87 Charles

I don't agree with Kristol on this, by the way. But he makes some undeniable points -- for whatever reason, the American public doesn't seem to care about Bill Ayers, or any of Obama's questionable associates. That line of attack just isn't working.

For whatever reason, it seems that Rev Wright would have been a more effective line of attack than the Ayers connections. The campaign gave up on that one too quickly. In professional wrestling terminology Rev Wright is what they call a "Foreign Heel".

Foreign heel: In United States wrestling, these are heels who stir up the crowd by expressing strong anti-American sentiments. They may also refuse or be (kayfabe) unable to speak English, preferring instead to render their tirades through an interpreter. Often these characters would be topical, playing off global events and crises current at the time.

:-)

228 zato  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:09:20am

Barracuda and War Hero need to get the message out to the voters that fiscal conservatism is needed more than ever and not the handout mentality of the democrats thats contributed to this credit crises.
They must get the voters to connect the dots- Barry...Community Org related entities & ACORN ...Bullying Lenders to make Loans to people who couldn't afford to repay...Democrats & Barry... Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac...Frank Raines...Barry...Barney Frank...appropriate oversight efforts of the Republicans resisted by Democrats...Barry...more socialist policies...Barry's 95% deception and how it disincentivizes higher productivity.
There's so much material to hammer Barry and the Dems on the economy and his shady associations would only complete the picture.

229 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:09:23am

re: #224 Killgore Trout

He must be one of those Obama plants sent to make us look stupid.
/Big fat sarc tag

HA!

230 jiminycricket  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:09:25am

re: #23 Killgore Trout

Hitchens has a different strategy....
Vote for Obama

Ouch.

Hitchens has clearly become a bourgeois decadent with his head up his own too comfortable self satisfied ass. Time for a job change.

231 Florida Lady  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:09:35am

re: #219 Dave the.....

Barry is running against President Bush. Is there a tactful way McCain can run against Nancy Pelosi? With Obama-Pelosi-Reid running the country, there will be no brakes to their agenda. No one to say "hold on a minute, we need to look at this a bit more".

He started that with his speech this morning

232 puckish and beguiling  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:09:42am

re: #175 MandyManners

Love the nic!

Thanks Mandy!

233 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:09:46am

re: #222 buzzsawmonkey

I somehow don't think that McCain is going to improve his campaign by looking into Kristol balls.

Must refrain...must refrain....

234 Charles  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:09:52am

re: #201 Colin Nelson

#87 Charles: A first but, with respect, I couldn't disagree more on the Ayers, Wright thing.

It is almost impossible to find any media covering the Ayers, Wright, Acorn etc issues with anything like objectivity. No wonder these important issues do not seem to be working.

But you're not really disagreeing with me -- you're just giving a reason why the character attacks aren't working. I agree that the media is spinning all of this stuff furiously, but there's also McCain's weird, frustrating ambivalence about playing hardball. No one forced McCain to shun the Jeremiah Wright issue, for example; that was his own decision, and it was spectacularly wrong in my opinion.

235 opnion  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:09:59am

re: #184 itellu3times

McCain has failed to provide even a hint of a policy reason for his own candidacy. "Maverick!" doesn't cut it.


Yeah, he has to define his opponent as well.
Obama called him out, pure & simple, 'Why doesn't he say it to my face"
Wednesday Night, I think that McCain has to turn toward Obama & confront him about Rezko & Acorn, to paint Barry into the housing crisis.
Then he should segue into Ayers, Wright & explain Odinga.
The moderator will freak, but so what? This is crunch time

236 noraono  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:10:05am

re: #190 maddogg

I know you said you don't need to read more Krauthammer, but i have to wonder if you've ever read ANYTHING by him? He had some reservations about Palin so you hate one of the most intelligent pundits on the right?

Please read this:

Your text to link...

237 FrogMarch  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:10:06am

Barone's three reasons:

* Obama stresses his commonality with the American people. Do most people feel comfortable working closely with unrepentant domestic terrorists who still want to overthrow the capitalist system in America?
* Obama presses educational issues as part of his campaign. He spent years working with Ayers on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which pushed efforts to create primary educational organizations that would create political activists for the Left - and which largely failed in any of its intended purposes.
* Obama has lied and obfuscated about his relationship with Ayers. Clearly, Ayers was not just “some guy in the neighborhood”, but a political adviser at least on educational issues who provided a key launch for Obama’s political career.
238 maddogg  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:10:09am

re: #205 Cognito

Apparently you do, if you think he's paid no attention to Obama and his lack of qualifications. He calls Obama a "pretender."

And I'm starting to think the same of you.

Cognito, you have me confused with someone who gives a fuck what you think.

239 tfc3rid  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:10:32am

Wow... I just checked out Real Clear Politics... Gulp... Way to depress me this afternoon...

240 Cognito  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:10:42am

re: #238 maddogg

Cognito, you have me confused with someone who gives a fuck what you think.

Nope. I just had you confused with someone who traded in facts.

241 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:10:43am

re: #210 Oldasdirt

Yeah, you were doing well till you got to the anti-Christ crap. Jeez.

242 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:11:05am

re: #167 MandyManners

I think it's all about appearing original and unusual, as if they are somehow above the whole process.

If they're so fucking smart, WHY AREN'T THEY RUNNING FOR OFFICE?

Ever notice that people who review movies, music, etc. usually have zero experience making them? It's like an armchair quarterback, giving advice to the head coach on how to play the game, even he's never played it.

243 SpartanWoman  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:11:05am

re: #230 jiminycricket

Hitchens has clearly become a bourgeois decadent with his head up his own too comfortable self satisfied ass. Time for a job change.

An Obama endorsement guarantees him employment and entree to the glossy parties. Champagne, Mr. Hitchens?

244 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:11:19am

re: #222 buzzsawmonkey

I somehow don't think that McCain is going to improve his campaign by looking into Kristol balls.

LOL!

245 subsailor68  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:11:20am

re: #200 pre-Boomer Marine brat

It appears to be getting that bad here, but this:

Funny Exam Answers

comes from Britain. It's a sad situation, but some of these are pretty good.

246 Florida Lady  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:11:31am

re: #235 opnion

Yeah, he has to define his opponent as well.
Obama called him out, pure & simple, 'Why doesn't he say it to my face"
Wednesday Night, I think that McCain has to turn toward Obama & confront him about Rezko & Acorn, to paint Barry into the housing crisis.
Then he should segue into Ayers, Wright & explain Odinga.
The moderator will freak, but so what? This is crunch time

Exactly . . . who gives a rat's you-know-what about the moderator?

Sarah didn't in her debate - and she came off doing GREAT!

247 Thanos  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:11:51am

re: #219 Dave the.....

Barry is running against President Bush. Is there a tactful way McCain can run against Nancy Pelosi? With Obama-Pelosi-Reid running the country, there will be no brakes to their agenda. No one to say "hold on a minute, we need to look at this a bit more".


One of the recent adds took the tack of tieing Barack to congress, there's no need to be tactfull about it. Splitting power has always been a strong sentiment in the US, and I agree with you that it needs to be emphasized.

248 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:11:59am

re: #219 Dave the.....

Barry is running against President Bush. Is there a tactful way McCain can run against Nancy Pelosi? With Obama-Pelosi-Reid running the country, there will be no brakes to their agenda. No one to say "hold on a minute, we need to look at this a bit more".

Thats what Chuck Shumer is for ,,, ummm,, no,, wait ,, Barney Frank ,,, ummmm,,,wait ,,,Charlei Rangle ,,,, naaahhh ,,,, ummm,, there must be ONE ratioanl Dem !

249 jcm  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:12:00am

re: #200 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I didn't realize it was THAT bad! Are there schools where basic history simply is NOT being taught?

I would be sorely tempted to embarrass the snot out of someone asking a question like that.

The is no excuse for a college grad not to know the sequence of our major wars.

If some one doesn't if Ticonderoga came be fore or after Trenton that's different.

250 Hard Right  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:12:05am

re: #158 tfc3rid

I have found people just enough on the fence that this sort of thing might change their minds... I give them links to the stories and they hit back that it is from 'right wing propaganda' sites... Argh...

Well, when they say something like that I'm not so sure they really are on the fence.

251 dentate  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:12:09am

re: #181 buzzsawmonkey

I've never thought he would. He certainly wasn't my choice in the primaries.

That is unimportant. Obama has the biggest collection of creeps surrounding him within memory; the mere crooks and incompetents are the best of the lot, and they fade off quickly into the radicals, America-haters, vote-fraudsters, and surrender jockeys. Say what you will about Democrats--and people here certainly do--that party had patriots as well as crooks once upon a time. No more.

I don't have to like McCain very much at all to prefer him mightily to the alternative.

Buzz, at our shul yesterday there was a "town hall meeting" on health policy by a McCain supporter vs. one of Obama's health policy advisors. Very acrimonious and very revealing. Without going into the excruciating details, suffice it to say that it encapsulated the two campaigns in miniature: The McCain speaker was an MD himself, trained at Johns Hopkins and other fine schools, with decades of hands-on experience in private practice, managed care, county health care, etc. etc. as well as being a former mayor of a prominent Southern California city. But his presentation was rambling and he had little charisma, so the message on the real reasons for health care costs, and the ways to reduce them by increasing competition between insurers, and between pharmaceutical firms, controlling frivolous litigation, and maintaining the freedom of choice of physician and treatment plan etc. etc. was lost. The Obama guy was a public health policy PhD from UCLA, not an MD, but an academic whose career was spent refining the idealized bureaucratic control of health care delivery. Some shockers included $50 billion for an "independent" government institute that will "study" which medical treatments are effective and which are not, which the guy had the audacity to claim would be "advisory" and not binding on access. All to be paid for by rolling back tax cuts. But this guy was slick and charismatic, and had a well prepared presentation.

Very depressing for me to watch.

252 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:12:22am

re: #239 tfc3rid

Wow... I just checked out Real Clear Politics... Gulp... Way to depress me this afternoon...

Two things I'm not doing just now: looking at my 401K & looking at RCP.

253 tfc3rid  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:12:24am

re: #234 Charles

But you're not really disagreeing with me -- you're just giving a reason why the character attacks aren't working. I agree that the media is spinning all of this stuff furiously, but there's also McCain's weird, frustrating ambivalence about playing hardball. No one forced McCain to shun the Jeremiah Wright issue, for example; that was his own decision, and it was spectacularly wrong in my opinion.

It was a disastrous decision... Did he not expect to be losing as he is this late in the campaign?

254 vxbush  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:12:30am

re: #210 Oldasdirt

Barack Obama’s rise to fame is a mystery. He is an unknown, inexperienced junior senator with no accomplishments. There is no content to his speeches. He preaches change for the sake of change, but fails to explain in full how that change will be brought about.
Antoin Rezko,William Ayers,Emil Jones Jr,Rashid Khalidi,The Rev. Michael Pfleger, All of these associations of (The One)and many more mean nothing to the MSM,or 40% of the American people.
B.H.O. is the anti christ.

Actually, he talks about pie. (There's a link in the dead thread about that.) Funny as all get out.

255 Florida Lady  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:12:44am

re: #235 opnion

And for the record, I hope McCain complies with Obama's request to "say it to his face."

257 Cognito  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:13:42am

re: #234 Charles

But you're not really disagreeing with me -- you're just giving a reason why the character attacks aren't working. I agree that the media is spinning all of this stuff furiously, but there's also McCain's weird, frustrating ambivalence about playing hardball. No one forced McCain to shun the Jeremiah Wright issue, for example; that was his own decision, and it was spectacularly wrong in my opinion.

All that stuff is marginal, now. All of it.

Only the economy matters, in the collective mind of the electorate. Hammering Bill Ayers won't help some poor guy keep his job and save his house.

I'm not saying Ayers and Wright aren't important -- I'm saying people are distracted from them at the moment because their livelihoods are crumbling. McCain should, in my opinion, drop any talk of Rev. Wright, etc., and focus on conveying to people how the Democratic princes in Congress sold the American dream for a few votes.

258 Ben Hur  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:13:42am

Of course one of the lines (used a couple of times) in the play Speed the Plow that I saw yesterday was, "There are no mavericks!" spoken very loudly as if to make the obvious point.

It worked and brought the poor wretched masses of Manhattanites to cheers of laughter.

259 Florida Lady  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:13:54am

re: #239 tfc3rid

Wow... I just checked out Real Clear Politics... Gulp... Way to depress me this afternoon...

Don't EVER look at RCP. JMHO

And when the market goes up, THAT's the time to look at your 401K

260 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:13:59am

re: #256 WrathofG-d

OT:

Christian "Zionists" looking to secretly convert Jews?

Well, you have a bunch of Muslims wanting to convert them to atoms.

261 SpartanWoman  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:14:11am

re: #257 Cognito

Yes!

262 BBEV  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:14:23am

re: #74 ploome hineni

ot

And that is what I have been saying all along

263 Miss Trixie  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:14:27am

re: #174 DustyRoadsRVer

Hi all, I don't often sign in as usually we have slow internet and is a waste of time trying to comment.
I am a Kanuk, but like to follow US politics. This is a little off topic, but if you go back into the days of our worst Prime Minister we ever had, he had the same style as BHO. He was virtually unknown to the general public, had charisma, was a sympathiser of Socialism. He was friends with most dicators and spent a lot in Soviet Russia. He hated Ronald Regan and would flaunt Socialism any time he could. He idolized Fidel Castro's Cuba.
One just needs to look at his time as PM to see the destruction that occurs when a Chrismatic, Ultra Socialist decides to change a country. He brought us the National Energy Program which destroyed our economy and our standard of living for many years, the flawed constitution that he authored . I think BHO has many of the same qualties, types of alliances and support that PET had.

Well said! I see the same parallels as well and you can't forget Trudeau's *spit* multi-culti mandate. Suddenly, we all woke up one morning to find that our Canadian culture not longer exists and our identity was replaced by "all cultures are equal" crap with absolutely NO debate in Parliament and NO discussion with the people. We were effectively stifled and muted for the real fear of being labelled RACIST!

With the exception of la belle province, *spit* who Trudeau *spit* designated a "distinct society" has been forever immune to this multi-culti mindwarp and remains ONE culture.

That was Trudeau's *spit* intention all along.

BTW, where you at? I'm in Ottawa.

264 tfc3rid  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:15:11am

re: #252 unreconstructed rebel

Two things I'm not doing just now: looking at my 401K & looking at RCP.

Word of advice, don't...

265 Dizzy26  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:15:25am

# 187SpartanWwoman


McCain NEEDS to get PISSED, and LOUD...I'm pissed, and Americans are
pissed, inspite of the medias' false analysis(s), and the public" needs its' face 'BITCH SLAPPED' to get it wide awake and at attention!

266 Claudia  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:15:27am

re: #118 Fat Jolly Penguin

Well, Thank you. I'll have to check that LGFdictionary more often!

267 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:15:30am

re: #210 Oldasdirt

The old mans op pion are his and his alone and should not reflect the non-loons at LGF.
Sorry guys,but the Teflon on this guy should have been worn off of him by now,but it is still as thick as brick. He ain't normal,BHO ain't real.
I got no other explanation.

268 Pyrocles  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:15:36am

Wars are now taught as shameful things to be forgotten, not remembered...

re: #249 jcm

I would be sorely tempted to embarrass the snot out of someone asking a question like that.

The is no excuse for a college grad not to know the sequence of our major wars.

If some one doesn't if Ticonderoga came be fore or after Trenton that's different.

269 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:15:38am

re: #259 Florida Lady

Don't EVER look at RCP. JMHO

And when the market goes up, THAT's the time to look at your 401K

Dow jumps almost 600 as US pledges bank aid
Monday October 13, 1:01 pm ET
Dow jumps almost 600 after governments pledge broad action to prop up banks

[Link: biz.yahoo.com...]

I;m tempted to look now. But I didn't look when it started tanking, and I peromised myself not to look unti the end of 4th Q

270 DustyRoadsRVer  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:15:40am

re: #263 Miss Trixie

In Vancouver

271 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:15:53am

I guess Hitchens has decided to declare defeat in the war on terror. What a douche.

272 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:16:04am

re: #245 subsailor68

It appears to be getting that bad here, but this:

Funny Exam Answers

comes from Britain. It's a sad situation, but some of these are pretty good.

"Solomom had three hundred wives and seven hundred porcupines"
DAMN!
That's as far as I've made it, and my sides are killing me!
Thank you! I'm going to flag it for later.

273 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:16:10am

I am going to keep shouting that we should have "Placebo Voting Booths" until someone builds one for me. Even if it looks like...

this...

274 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:16:32am

re: #178 zombie

This is true story: A journalist I know, in her late 20s, was working on a feature story last year, and she asked me at one point, "Which came first -- the Civil War or the Korean War?"

Yes, it's that bad.

Another true story: Around the 50th anniversary of World War II, a writer for Time magazine had a junior researcher who was a graduate of one of the better colleges. One day she came to him and asked him why they called it World War TWO, "Was there one before that?".

275 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:16:38am
276 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:16:53am

re: #241 unrealizedviewpoint

Yeah, you were doing well till you got to the anti-Christ crap. Jeez.

yup.

277 tfc3rid  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:17:01am

re: #257 Cognito

All that stuff is marginal, now. All of it.

Only the economy matters, in the collective mind of the electorate. Hammering Bill Ayers won't help some poor guy keep his job and save his house.

I'm not saying Ayers and Wright aren't important -- I'm saying people are distracted from them at the moment because their livelihoods are crumbling. McCain should, in my opinion, drop any talk of Rev. Wright, etc., and focus on conveying to people how the Democratic princes in Congress sold the American dream for a few votes.

But it actually does play into it in my opinion Cog... I think that by bringing up the connections, McCain is attempting to make the point that although we are in a period of economic crisis, putting someone like Barack Obama into office is a huge RISK...


Like it or not, Obama is VERY risky... From a number of perspectives.

278 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:17:13am

re: #256 WrathofG-d

Surprised?

279 jcm  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:17:37am

re: #268 Pyrocles

Wars are now taught as shameful things to be forgotten, not remembered...

Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

War is more likely if we don't remember the lessons of war.

280 yma o hyd  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:18:08am

re: #165 snowcrash

McCain must not give up on hammering ACORNs role in the sub prime mess and voter fraud scandal. Obama has direct and recent ties. Even the most uninformed of voters can connect the dots and they are still angry over the Fannie May mess/bailout.

Yep - and both ACORN and Freddie&Fannie are definitely not things 'made up' on 'right-wing republican blogs'.

How can such blogs 'make up' the reports on the FBI raids?
Would the FBI really raid ACORN if they were not breaking the law?

Same with Fannie and Fred - their donations to B0 are on public record - on the Senate pages iirc - hardly a right-wing blog!

Go with that stuff - hammer it, in a most polite and friendly fashion, day in day out ...

281 Thanos  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:18:12am

Negatives work over time, we are seeing some closing in the polls.
Up until election day RR was still slated to lose against JC by the polls, as we all know it just didn't work out that way.

282 jcm  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:18:12am

re: #272 pre-Boomer Marine brat

"Solomom had three hundred wives and seven hundred porcupines"
DAMN!
That's as far as I've made it, and my sides are killing me!
Thank you! I'm going to flag it for later.

How do porcupines make love?

283 subsailor68  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:18:58am

re: #272 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Glad you liked it. Wait till you get to John Milton and Paradise Lost vs Paradise Regained.

284 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:19:17am

re: #282 jcm

How do porcupines make love?

VERY carefully.

285 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:19:31am

Wow, Hillary has softened her delivery and has adopted a matronly fireside chat style of speaking. Anyone else listening to this?

286 reno911  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:19:44am

Let me say this up-front.

I am a McCain supporter and will vote for him on election day.

But, I have to tell you that all this talk of Obama leading this country to ruin seems to me to be a bit over-the-top.

I remember the Left in 1980 saying pretty much the same thing about Reagan. "Reagan was going to start WWIII." "Reaganomics sucked." "Reagan was going to kill little babies and on and on and on and on and blah blah blah".

You know what? We sound just like the Leftists back in the 80's.

The reality is that we live in the greatest country ever imagined. Our Constitution and Bill of Rights protect us from jerk-offs like Obama.

Get a grip.

287 FrogMarch  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:19:44am
288 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:19:48am

re: #198 unrealizedviewpoint

I live here and totally disagree. I'll need play zombie for an afternoon and return with the proof for you.

I pass a Catholic church/school daily (with a huge park next to it) filled to the brim with homeless all scattered 20 feet apart, carts, possessions everywhere..
amongst all this are groups of 8 to 12 year olds playing games. It's surreal.

I'm just remembering how it was in the 70's and 80' when the pier was falling apart and every block of downtown SM was filled with vagrants. It was much worse back then.

And compared to Hollywood, where I lived for many years, Santa Monica is pristine.

289 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:19:51am

re: #242 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Ever notice that people who review movies, music, etc. usually have zero experience making them? It's like an armchair quarterback, giving advice to the head coach on how to play the game, even he's never played it.

Precisely.

290 maddogg  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:20:06am

re: #236 noraono

I know you said you don't need to read more Krauthammer, but i have to wonder if you've ever read ANYTHING by him? He had some reservations about Palin so you hate one of the most intelligent pundits on the right?

Please read this:

Your text to link...

15 years ago or so, I listened to a radio interview with Charles Krauthammer, prior to that interview I read his editorials religiously. In that interview he admitted he was pro gun control. He stated that there was no reason for people to have so many guns. That ended my reading of The Good Dr. Krauthammer. Then after the vicious review he gave Sarah Palin after the VP debate, and the obvious disgust on his face, I have absolutely no regard for Krauthammer as a conservative. If you want to continue to read him, feel free, but as far as I'm concerned, he is done.

291 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:20:20am

Obama + ACORN = RICO

Suck it, Bots!

292 subsailor68  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:20:21am

re: #282 jcm

I can't believe I'm going to answer this, but I'm pretty sure it's "very carefully".

293 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:20:29am

re: #249 jcm

I would be sorely tempted to embarrass the snot out of someone asking a question like that.

The is no excuse for a college grad not to know the sequence of our major wars.

If some one doesn't if Ticonderoga came be fore or after Trenton that's different.

I agree 100%.

294 Cognito  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:20:31am

re: #274 Son of the Black Dog

Another true story: Around the 50th anniversary of World War II, a writer for Time magazine had a junior researcher who was a graduate of one of the better colleges. One day she came to him and asked him why they called it World War TWO, "Was there one before that?".

Ah, that sounds a bit apocryphal.

295 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:20:31am

re: #248 sattv4u2

Thats what Chuck Shumer is for ,,, ummm,, no,, wait ,, Barney Frank ,,, ummmm,,,wait ,,,Charlei Rangle ,,,, naaahhh ,,,, ummm,, there must be ONE ratioanl Dem !

Just wondering- Is your comma sticking? : )

296 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:20:38am

re: #188 calvin coolidge

I wish Bill Kristol would change his recipe for hamburgers. Talk about a need for change.......those Kristol burgers suck.

Hey, there's nothin' better than a bag of Krystals and a bowl of Krystal's chili to top off a Saturday evening of beer consumption.

297 runrabbitrun  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:20:57am

re: #257 Cognito

All that stuff is marginal, now. All of it.

Only the economy matters, in the collective mind of the electorate. Hammering Bill Ayers won't help some poor guy keep his job and save his house.

I'm not saying Ayers and Wright aren't important -- I'm saying people are distracted from them at the moment because their livelihoods are crumbling. McCain should, in my opinion, drop any talk of Rev. Wright, etc., and focus on conveying to people how the Democratic princes in Congress sold the American dream for a few votes.

I agree. As I mentioned upthread, I think the Ayers attacks have been handled bass-ackward for months and months, so that golden opportunity to nail Obama (who is getting away with a totally false narrative in running as a Democrat moderate) easy as pie with his radical leftism may have been squandered. Too bad, because the fall of peoples' 401's and portfolios are all tied in with the same left-radical polity results.

298 opnion  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:21:15am

re: #226 unrealizedviewpoint

Nancy Pelosi? Who's that? ..says typical American.

I2 people were interviewed on the Street in Manhattan about Ayers.
!0 had no idea who he is. One guy said itwas all bull shit.
Only one said that he knew & it matterd.

299 Ben Hur  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:21:21am
300 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:21:42am

Ok, she's gone back to her regular screechy self now.

301 JohnAdams  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:21:58am

re: #267 Oldasdirt

The old mans op pion are his and his alone and should not reflect the non-loons at LGF.
Sorry guys,but the Teflon on this guy should have been worn off of him by now,but it is still as thick as brick. He ain't normal,BHO ain't real.
I got no other explanation.

I think half of his appeal is messiah worship...but the real fuel is the anti-Bush anger. The moonbats have smelled blood in the water for 8 years and they are hungry.

302 WrathofG-d  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:22:00am

re: #260 FurryOldGuyJeans

Yes the threat to the Jewish community by the Islamists is MUCH more immediately threatening, but that doesn't meant that, if true, Jews should ignore the threat by the Christians using their "Zionism" as a cover to attempt to convert Jews.

303 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:22:03am

SpartanWoman,

An Obama endorsement guarantees him employment and entree to the glossy parties. Champagne, Mr. Hitchens?

Hitchens flushed his credibility on the War on Terror down the "loo" with the Obama endorsement.

304 jcm  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:22:06am

re: #292 subsailor68

I can't believe I'm going to answer this, but I'm pretty sure it's "very carefully".

We'll make a lizard our of you yet!

305 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:22:26am

re: #282 jcm

How do porcupines make love?

Carefully

306 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:22:43am
307 Florida Lady  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:22:55am

re: #291 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Obama + ACORN = RICO

Suck it, Bots!


Saw that - hope it's true!

Can someone clarify this - to file RICO charges, you have to do so in more than 1 state?

/know NOTHING about RICO

308 subsailor68  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:23:05am

re: #304 jcm

Bless you! It's the best on-line community I've seen....ever.

309 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:23:22am

re: #282 jcm

How do porcupines make love?

Think rough sex.

310 Iron Fist  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:23:26am

re: #37 Cognito

So this Nouriel Roubini basically predicted the current near collapse of the Economy/ So what? What has he done to bash Bush recently? That is what's important to the Nobel people.

311 seekeroftruth  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:23:29am

re: #257 Cognito

It would be nice if the MSM would report the connections between the Democrats, Fannie Mae, ACORN, and Obama. Right now, CNN has dabbled in it, and Fox has been pounding the topic and connections. Has the economy hit any of them ( the media ) hard enough in the wallet to finally report the facts?

312 jiminycricket  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:23:48am

re: #243 SpartanWoman

An Obama endorsement guarantees him employment and entree to the glossy parties. Champagne, Mr. Hitchens?

So true. He inhabits the world of the parasitic opinion mongers, the armchair critics.

313 subsailor68  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:23:50am

re: #309 unreconstructed rebel

I don't get the point. :-)

314 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:24:16am

re: #282 jcm

How do porcupines make love?

What's the point?

/Solomon had a lot of spine

315 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:24:20am

re: #302 WrathofG-d

Yes the threat to the Jewish community by the Islamists is MUCH more immediately threatening, but that doesn't meant that, if true, Jews should ignore the threat by the Christians using their "Zionism" as a cover to attempt to convert Jews.

Threats on the back burner do have a nasty habit of boiling over while you are dealing with the front burner problem.

316 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:24:26am

How many elections has Bill Kristol won? How many winning campaigns has he managed? None. He managed an Alan Keys campaign.

317 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:24:34am

re: #313 subsailor68

I don't get the point. :-)

Bad joke. Guess I laid a egg?

318 jcm  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:24:39am

re: #308 subsailor68

Bless you! It's the best on-line community I've seen....ever.

Anyone who went to sea in a metal tube 300 feet down has a good start!
Sub service don't allow for fuzzy thinking.

319 WrathofG-d  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:24:54am

re: #278 Killgore Trout

Yes, and no.

Surprised as I have believed and experienced what seemed like a non-self interested love and compassion from the evangelical Christian Zionist community towards Jews and Israel. I had hoped that this love and compassion was genuine, and that finally after thousands of years the two communities has actually moved past our difficult past. It truly seems (seemed) to be. I had often passionately argued with my fellow Jews that the interest we were getting from the Christian community was genuine, and not out of their interest to convert us.

Not surprised as there is nothing new under the sun.

320 subsailor68  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:24:58am

re: #317 unreconstructed rebel

Nope. Great joke!

321 FrogMarch  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:25:00am

re: #251 dentate

Sadly, the medical community will be hardest hit if the onslaught of Universal health care materializes. Doctors and nurses will have to take huge pay cuts.
Much like government run education, incentives for good doctors and nurses to enter the field, will dry up.

What you wrote depresses me, becasue we need good public speakers on top of this issue.

322 jcm  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:25:05am

re: #314 pre-Boomer Marine brat

What's the point?

/Solomon had a lot of spine

Ouch! Ouch! Ouch! Ouch! Ouch! Ouch! Ouch! Ouch! Ouch! Ouch! Ouch! Ouch!

323 notutopia  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:25:35am

Kristol needs to get a grip on the reality of biased journalism!
OUTCOME FACTS:
McCain needs to get ASSERTIVE with what he has on Obama now and take responsibility for his choices of venues that are not working for the campaign!
Town Hall rallies invite "too intimate contact" of unexpected blunders at this stage of the campaign and should be avoided at all costs due to the unintended consequences that we've all witnessed.
The core issues that the MSM refuses to acknowledge on his campaigns behalf, is not going to change in this election. They are liberal arts majors who believe what they put in print!
The Inevitable "FACEOFF" of these candidates needs to happen soon and should be done on national TV so that no deletion of words can be edited!
It is now PAST DUE TIME for McCain to take the tactical advantage and just report the FACTS and validate each one of them about Obamas, choices, voting record, affiliations, associations, and ideals. Sum it up with "Is this behavior what you call Best for America?" All this can be done without loss of integrity or temper or character for McCain.
Just Speak The Truth! and validate it! Leave no questions remaining! Close the deal!

324 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:25:48am

re: #313 subsailor68

I don't get the point. :-)

Damn! I did not see the grin. Ya got me.

325 Florida Lady  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:26:01am

Yeah! Rush is talking about that Tim Mahoney who replaced Mark Foley - and Rahm Emmanuel may be involved with the hush money & coverup!

The culture of corruption!

Very interesting!

326 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:26:29am

re: #298 opnion

I2 people were interviewed on the Street in Manhattan about Ayers.
!0 had no idea who he is. One guy said itwas all bull shit.
Only one said that he knew & it matterd.

I live in a semi-rural area in fly-over territory but, I've yet to speak to a single person who didn't know who and what Ayers was and is. Funny how we hicks are more informed than those Manhattanites.

327 godfrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:26:30am

Kristol is right that McCain and Palin are better when they're less "managed." That doesn't mean he should fire his campaign. It means he needs to be prepped well and then turned loose. Same with Palin.

Here's what end-game should look like:

1. The status quo can be better, absolutely.
2. I recognized this. My judgment has been good.
3. I trust you to make this economy cook!
4. Obama doesn't trust you. His judgment is poor, right down to his friends.
5. You can't trust Obama.
6. You can trust me and Sarah. We'll get it done, and done right.

Something like that.

328 wright1  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:26:39am

I normally like Kristol. But to take his approach is to admit you do not know what you are doing. I canot subscribe to that. Also, this race is closer than the MSM gives credit for. McCain needs to definitely head to a pitstop, but he does not need a whole new engine. He just needs to take tires. There are many targets to hit - keep hitting them. You know when you are making contact? When the MSM starts telling you to stop it.

329 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:26:52am

re: #322 jcm

Ouch! Ouch! Ouch! Ouch! Ouch! Ouch! Ouch! Ouch! Ouch! Ouch! Ouch! Ouch!

As you said yesterday or the day before, "mission accomplished".

330 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:26:54am

Be of good cheer, since the start of last summer I have heard from, or heard about, a considerable number of lifelong Democrats who quietly say they are going to vote for McCain.

331 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:27:04am

re: #319 WrathofG-d


"there is nothing new under the sun."


I love Ecclesiastes.

332 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:27:08am

re: #298 opnion

I2 people were interviewed on the Street in Manhattan about Ayers.
!0 had no idea who he is. One guy said itwas all bull shit.
Only one said that he knew & it matterd.

Who? ..or what is an Ayers?
/

333 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:27:35am

re: #326 MandyManners

I live in a semi-rural area in fly-over territory but, I've yet to speak to a single person who didn't know who and what Ayers was and is. Funny how we hicks are more informed than those Manhattanites.

Being practical tends to give someone a lot more than book smarts.

334 Irene NYC  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:27:47am

re: #286 reno911

Let me say this up-front.

I am a McCain supporter and will vote for him on election day.

But, I have to tell you that all this talk of Obama leading this country to ruin seems to me to be a bit over-the-top.

I remember the Left in 1980 saying pretty much the same thing about Reagan. "Reagan was going to start WWIII." "Reaganomics sucked." "Reagan was going to kill little babies and on and on and on and on and blah blah blah".

You know what? We sound just like the Leftists back in the 80's.

The reality is that we live in the greatest country ever imagined. Our Constitution and Bill of Rights protect us from jerk-offs like Obama.

Get a grip.

WOW! You must've been dead or dreaming through the Carter years because our Constitution and Bill of Rights sure didn't protect us from him. And we're still paying for it today in spades.

Get a grip? You need to get real.

335 Cognito  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:27:52am

re: #311 seekeroftruth

It would be nice if the MSM would report the connections between the Democrats, Fannie Mae, ACORN, and Obama. Right now, CNN has dabbled in it, and Fox has been pounding the topic and connections. Has the economy hit any of them ( the media ) hard enough in the wallet to finally report the facts?

Oh, man, you have no idea. The media is feeling the pinch more than probably any industry but banking. Advertising budgets are the first to go, in a down economy.

And the media has been pounding Democratic connections to the crash. It's everywhere. I could give you a hundred examples. A thousand. I hope that, when this all levels out, that people will remember the work of the Wall Street Journal and its editorial page staff.

336 arethusa  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:27:57am

I think buying 1/2-hour TV time slots is a really good idea...especially as now everyone knows what Obama is paying for his (ridiculously low), the networks wouldn't dare charge McCain more.

I miss the Happy Warrior, too, but I've seen some glimpses of him. The stuff being thrown his way would make anyone unhappy.

337 Dizzy26  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:28:01am

re: #286 reno911

Get a Grip?

Yeah, and with OBAMA, Pelosie, Reid and a 'new' supreme court we need to get a grip.
Jeeeeze what a statement

338 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:28:17am

re: #299 Ben Hur

She looks pretty pissed to me.

Where's my garlic, wooden stake and silver bullets?

339 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:28:33am

re: #316 Sharmuta

How many elections has Bill Kristol won? How many winning campaigns has he managed? None. He managed an Alan Keys campaign.

You mean the pro-Life campaign in the pro-choice town of Chicago. Moron!

340 opnion  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:28:43am

re: #246 Florida Lady

Exactly . . . who gives a rat's you-know-what about the moderator?

Sarah didn't in her debate - and she came off doing GREAT!

Sarah Palin gets it. She put Biden & Brokaw on notice that she was not going to play gotcha questions.
McCain has to own the microphone. Go right at Obama with truths.
Palin said that she was talking to the American people & she did it great!

341 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:28:51am

re: #330 Son of the Black Dog

Be of good cheer, since the start of last summer I have heard from, or heard about, a considerable number of lifelong Democrats who quietly say they are going to vote for McCain.

IMHO - that explains The One's inability to get beyond 50%

342 FrogMarch  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:28:57am

re: #327 godfrey

Kristol is right that McCain and Palin are better when they're less "managed." That doesn't mean he should fire his campaign. It means he needs to be prepped well and then turned loose. Same with Palin.

Here's what end-game should look like:

1. The status quo can be better, absolutely.
2. I recognized this. My judgment has been good.
3. I trust you to make this economy cook!
4. Obama doesn't trust you. His judgment is poor, right down to his friends.
5. You can't trust Obama.
6. You can trust me and Sarah. We'll get it done, and done right.

Something like that.

Obama doesn't trust you. That's an excellent point. Democrats only trust big government.

343 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:28:59am

re: #8 zombie

This Bill Kristol character sounds like a Moby. Purposely giving bad advice, just to screw with McCain's mind.

He managed an Alan Keyes campaign. Not sure how that makes him qualified to tell McCain what to do, but there you have it.

344 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:29:07am

re: #338 MandyManners

Where's my garlic, wooden stake and silver bullets?

You might need some wolvesbane as well.

345 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:29:14am

re: #339 unrealizedviewpoint

No- Maryland.

346 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:29:24am

re: #326 MandyManners

I live in a semi-rural area in fly-over territory but, I've yet to speak to a single person who didn't know who and what Ayers was and is. Funny how we hicks are more informed clingy to our guns and religion than those Manhattanites.

:)

347 bellamags  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:29:38am

If this country is stupid enough to elect BHO, then it will get what it deserves.

Bill Kristol is a flake and I don't understand why Brit even has him on his show.

348 jcm  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:29:38am

re: #329 pre-Boomer Marine brat

As you said yesterday or the day before, "mission accomplished".

LOL!

349 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:29:51am
350 godfrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:29:56am

re: #335 Cognito

I hope that, when this all levels out, that people will remember the work of the Wall Street Journal and its editorial page staff.

Is that a confession, Cog?

I like the WSJ. IBD, too. FT from London.

351 FrogMarch  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:30:02am

NO UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE.

Say it, John.

352 Colonel Panik  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:30:10am

re: #338 MandyManners

Where's my garlic, wooden stake and silver bullets?

Can't decide if she's a vampire or a werewolf and want to cover your bets?

Owoooooh! Werewolves of Chappaqua!

353 Miss Trixie  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:30:17am

re: #270 DustyRoadsRVer

In Vancouver

Jebus! I feel for ya, man. You do realize that if Harper cannot emerge victoriously with a majority on Tuesday night (dear L*rd, please grant our good Prime Minister the majority he needs, amen) that a coalition of ALL the smarmy left-wing parties will effectively demand a non-confidence vote, the Governor General will dissolve Parliament and Canada will be ruled by lunatics.

The Greenies: shutting down ALL coal-fired and nuclear energy plants, prevent any progress in forestry, oilsands, manufacturing and invention for the good of Mother Gaia.

Bloc quebecois: They will finally realize their wet-dream of a separation from Canada.

Liberals: Ditzy Dion will shove the carbon tax credit down our throats and we will suddenly have to pay through the nose for everything we consume. Groceries, fuel, transportation, vacations and many will be plunged into poverty to levels unseen since the depression in the last century.

Taliban Jack: Our brave warriors will be pulled out, military spending will be slashed and perhaps clawed back from service members. State-sponsored daycare *spit* and housing for all will further erode your pay.

354 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:30:25am

re: #347 bellamags

If this country is stupid enough to elect BHO, then it will get what it deserves.

Bill Kristol is a flake and I don't understand why Brit even has him on his show.

Why did FNC give Huckabee a show?

355 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:30:30am

re: #319 WrathofG-d

Well, the problem is that the very definition of "evangelical" means they want to convert people. We had a lot of contentious debates here about Ann Coulter's plan to "perfect" the Jews. Unfortunately, many Christians still regard converting others as a requirement of their religion. I can't really argue against it scripturally but is sure is annoying and a lot of people regard it as offensive. I think it would be better PR if they quietly dropped the practice but that's just me.

356 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:30:36am

re: #339 unrealizedviewpoint

You mean the pro-Life campaign in the pro-choice town of Chicago. Moron!

The problem with Keyes's campaign in Illinois in 2004 is that it was half-assed. He harped on one issue only, and came after a local, Jack Ryan, had left the race. People were pissed that the Illinois Republican Party looked to someone from Maryland rather than find an Illinoisan to run against Obama.

357 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:30:39am

re: #333 FurryOldGuyJeans

Being practical tends to give someone a lot more than book smarts.

Ummmm...we have plenty of book-smart people around here. We just don't have the sophistication that people on either coast are alleged to have.

358 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:30:40am

re: #299 Ben Hur

She looks pretty pissed to me.

What on God's Green Earth was that?

Sometimes I'm just curious. Uh, how did you find that?

359 Cognito  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:30:40am

re: #340 opnion

Sarah Palin gets it. She put Biden & Brokaw on notice that she was not going to play gotcha questions.

You sure?

360 WrathofG-d  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:31:00am

re: #331 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"The end of the matter; all has been heard. Fear God, and keep his commandments; for that is the whole duty of everyone."

361 arethusa  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:31:06am

re: #335 Cognito

Oh, man, you have no idea. The media is feeling the pinch more than probably any industry but banking. Advertising budgets are the first to go, in a down economy.

And the media has been pounding Democratic connections to the crash. It's everywhere. I could give you a hundred examples. A thousand. I hope that, when this all levels out, that people will remember the work of the Wall Street Journal and its editorial page staff.

With respect to TV, is the fact that Obama is buying more air time than McCain and thus making advertising revenue soar at all directly influencing the coverage of him? Do you know? (I'm just curious.)

362 JohnAdams  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:31:16am

re: #311 seekeroftruth

It would be nice if the MSM would report the connections between the Democrats, Fannie Mae, ACORN, and Obama. Right now, CNN has dabbled in it, and Fox has been pounding the topic and connections. Has the economy hit any of them ( the media ) hard enough in the wallet to finally report the facts?

Your text to link...Stanley Kurtz took Obama and the Dems to the woodshed today in the NY Post over just this issue.

363 bellamags  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:31:18am

re: #354 FurryOldGuyJeans

i dont frikin know.

364 godfrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:31:35am

universal health care = "public health care"

as in "public toilets"

365 seekeroftruth  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:31:45am

re: #335 Cognito

Thank you Cog. You mentioned something about the economy impact on journalist a few mornings ago. I hope that they will continue, and in fact, will pound the truth even harder. All of our wallets depend on it. Obama and the Dems are going to hurt us all much more if Obama wins.

366 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:31:49am

re: #286 reno911

I remember the Left in 1980 saying pretty much the same thing about Reagan. "Reagan was going to start WWIII." "Reaganomics sucked." "Reagan was going to kill little babies and on and on and on and on and blah blah blah".

You know what? We sound just like the Leftists back in the 80's.

The country didn't "survive" Reagan, it thrived under him. The difference is that the leftists were wrong about Reagan, because they do not understand conservatives. We are right, because we do understand liberals. And we have seen the destruction they can do (see Carter, Johnson, and FDR for further clarification).

367 jcm  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:31:55am

Gotta run all.....

An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Winston Churchill

368 dentate  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:31:58am

re: #275 buzzsawmonkey

There was, however, a priceless moment when a woman from France stood up out of turn and shouted at the McCain representative, when he stated that Obama-style nationalized health care would reduce cost by limiting access. "When my mother was ill in France," she said, "she saw the best doctors in the country. They gave her the best treatments, and they called me every day. And it was all FREE!" Now, this lady is a JPL scientist. Even the Obama guy had to correct her on that one, but there are bright minds out there who see only what they want to see, and not what is. Sadly, I think we are in for some long-term buyer's remorse. There will spring up a secondary cash-dependent medical system and the best physicians will flee into it, greatly impacting the quality of care for anyone who cannot afford the cash.

369 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:32:01am
370 arethusa  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:32:04am

re: #347 bellamags

If this country is stupid enough to elect BHO, then it will get what it deserves.

A lot of people won't vote for Obama; do they deserve to suffer from his bad policies?

371 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:32:14am

re: #349 buzzsawmonkey

Our Constitution and Bill of Rights protect us only as long as we protect them, and follow them.

A President who, as a candidate, has attempted to suppress free speech is not a President who can be trusted to honor the Constitution. Such a President backed by a compliasant same-party Congress can do a great deal of damage, even if it were not the case, as it is, that such a President would also be backed by the majority of the mainstream press.

This more than anything scares me about BHO.

372 Cognito  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:32:17am

re: #361 arethusa

With respect to TV, is the fact that Obama is buying more air time than McCain and thus making advertising revenue soar at all directly influencing the coverage of him? Do you know? (I'm just curious.)

No.

373 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:32:19am

re: #357 MandyManners

Ummmm...we have plenty of book-smart people around here. We just don't have the sophistication that people on either coast are alleged to have.

Fly-over folks tend to have practicality and book smarts. Coasties just the latter. Sophistication don't pay the bills.

374 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:32:20am

re: #286 reno911

Let me say this up-front.

I am a McCain supporter and will vote for him on election day.

But, I have to tell you that all this talk of Obama leading this country to ruin seems to me to be a bit over-the-top.

I remember the Left in 1980 saying pretty much the same thing about Reagan. "Reagan was going to start WWIII." "Reaganomics sucked." "Reagan was going to kill little babies and on and on and on and on and blah blah blah".

You know what? We sound just like the Leftists back in the 80's.

The reality is that we live in the greatest country ever imagined. Our Constitution and Bill of Rights protect us from jerk-offs like Obama.

Get a grip.

For you.

375 Colin Nelson  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:32:29am

#234 Charles: Yes, we are not really in disagreement. Guess my frustration leaked out.

However, I think it was your use of "for whatever reason", that got my emotions moving ahead of my brain.

The answer to "whatever reason" is the complete failure of the MSM to fairly and accurately cover the republican side.

That's all I was saying.

376 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:32:34am

re: #288 Ringo the Gringo

I'm just remembering how it was in the 70's and 80' when the pier was falling apart and every block of downtown SM was filled with vagrants. It was much worse back then.

And compared to Hollywood, where I lived for many years, Santa Monica is pristine.

S.M. is pristine. The dichotomy of homeless to wealth is astounding.

377 legalpad  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:32:38am

re: #286 reno911

get a grip

Well, the disaster scenarios make great campaign rhetoric, but still, there are real possibilities that could get very serious. For example: Would you rather pay $10,000 more in taxes or not? Would you rather your daughter be subject to a draft or not? Would you rather have federal gun registration or not. Would you rather gun bans in certain cities be upheld or not? Would you rather our military be handled like Clinton in Somalia or not? Would you rather the supply of medical care be restricted more or less? Would you rather that there not be the remotest chance of the President listening to what the people really want with regard to immigration?

Of course these are all rhetoric questions. Yes we could survive through hook or crook, we could travel the rocky underground route if we have to, but we really would rather not.

378 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:32:42am

re: #364 godfrey

universal health care = "public health care"

as in "public toilets"

Gah! Are we sayin' public health care will lead to crabs?

379 WrathofG-d  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:32:45am

re: #355 Killgore Trout

I don't mind that they want to convert people. What upsets me is that they are using "Zionism" as a cover for this activity. If they are going to try to convert Jews then they should be open and honest about it. If they come to support Israel, then support Israel. If they wish to convert, then convert....just do it elsewhere.

380 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:33:05am

re: #354 FurryOldGuyJeans

Why did FNC give Huckabee a show?

Consolation prize?

381 Colonel Panik  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:33:07am

re: #354 FurryOldGuyJeans

Why did FNC give Huckabee a show?

'cause he can play the geetar!

He needs a band. Mike Hucakbee and the Squirrel Fritters.

382 vagabond trader  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:33:19am

re: #330 Son of the Black Dog

As I've said before, my liberal gay hair stylist and his partner are for McCain.They informed me that their wealthy liberal clientele simply cannot vote for a black man.So much for racial tolerance.

383 midwestgak  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:33:35am

re: #349 buzzsawmonkey

Our Constitution and Bill of Rights protect us only as long as we protect them, and follow them.

A President who, as a candidate, has attempted to suppress free speech is not a President who can be trusted to honor the Constitution. Such a President backed by a compliasant same-party Congress can do a great deal of damage, even if it were not the case, as it is, that such a President would also be backed by the majority of the mainstream press.

To state the obvious - like Carter. And Obama is more left than he ever was.

384 opinionated  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:33:40am

It's funny in a way.

When the market and the economy is crashing, the last thing most people want to do is take on more risks.

But in politics, they are willing the risk everything on a novice Leftist promising change.

McCain can still win this campaign by explaining in very simple terms that sometimes even the "devil you know" is safer then the sudden stranger offering get rich quick schemes.

385 yma o hyd  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:33:47am

re: #245 subsailor68

It appears to be getting that bad here, but this:

Funny Exam Answers

comes from Britain. It's a sad situation, but some of these are pretty good.

Omigawd - put your drinks down before you read this - its absolutely hilarious!

386 HoosierHoops  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:33:48am

re: #272 pre-Boomer Marine brat

"Solomom had three hundred wives and seven hundred porcupines"
DAMN!
That's as far as I've made it, and my sides are killing me!
Thank you! I'm going to flag it for later.

I know! That was a really funny read..more gems of genius than an Obama speech.

387 DustyRoadsRver  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:34:10am

re: #353 Miss Trixie

Yes I think you are right. Taliban Jack is big out here in the left coast. He is making huge inroads as well as the Greens (in your words )

388 Florida Lady  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:34:10am

re: #364 godfrey

universal health care = "public health care"

as in "public toilets"

The McCain/palin campaign could use that to great effect!

/only half joking!

389 bellamags  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:34:11am

At the beginning of this month, the line at the DMV in my same shopping center was OUT THE DOOR by about 20 to 30 people. For two days it was like that. Voter registration. Most of them were young. They all showed up at the same time. Various races, couldn't tell who they would vote for.

390 little boomer  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:34:12am

re: #282 jcm

How do porcupines make love?

Very carefully.

391 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:34:17am

Yeah, this is a good idea

/

Somalia: Want to Stop Piracy? Then Give Mogadishu Back to the Mullahs

The Islamists were the only force that managed to restore some order in Somalia, their alleged support for international terrorists and extreme methods (lopping off the limbs of chicken thieves, stoning adulterers) notwithstanding.

Somalia, therefore, needs the Islamists. If the Islamists put themselves to it, they can stamp out piracy, and direct the energies of the people to making a living off the waters because the country will be stable enough.

The ICU are not fools. If they realise that the price of their keeping power is that they must not allow Somalia to turn into a nursery for deadly jihadists, they will clamp down on them.

The enlightened self-interest of the East Africans countries hit by Somali piracy demands the only possible solution: Give Mogadishu back to the mullahs.

392 rightside  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:34:39am

re: #325 Florida Lady

I'm listening to him as well, and he has a point about Bill Kristol, et.al., and how they should be praising John McCain's campaign. It's just what they wanted. No negativity, being polite, and talking about issues.

393 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:34:45am

re: #345 Sharmuta

No- Maryland.

Keyes ran against Obama in 2004 for the Senate seat and lost.

394 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:34:48am

re: #325 Florida Lady

Yeah! Rush is talking about that Tim Mahoney who replaced Mark Foley - and Rahm Emmanuel may be involved with the hush money & coverup!

The culture of corruption!

Very interesting!

He reads my emails.

395 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:34:56am

re: #364 godfrey

universal health care = "public health care"

as in "public toilets"

Ew.

396 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:34:59am

re: #286 reno911

Sorry, but when I read Ayers and hear Obama spouting the same anti-American themes, drumming up class differences and injecting racial issues into this campaign, it is troubling.

/You must change the world!

397 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:35:01am
398 WrathofG-d  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:35:02am

re: #369 ploome hineni

When having spoken to Christian Zionists, I was actually personally amazed and overcome by how "loving" they were. There is a unique kindness to a truly believing/living Christian. That is what I meant by love.

They don't have to love us....dang I don't even want respect. At a bare minimum, all I really want is for them to leave us be.

399 CapeCoddah  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:35:07am

re: #285 Killgore Trout

Wow, Hillary has softened her delivery and has adopted a matronly fireside chat style of speaking. Anyone else listening to this?

Could not pay me enough to listen to the Hildabeast. Odds are she will vote McCain/Palin just to twist her own personal fork in the 0

400 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:35:19am
401 seekeroftruth  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:35:36am

re: #362 JohnAdams

Your text to link...Stanley Kurtz took Obama and the Dems to the woodshed today in the NY Post over just this issue.

Excellent! Thanks for the link!

402 arethusa  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:35:36am

Gallup, as we all know, polls registered voters. But apparently they consider likely voters within that poll, too, and that shows a bit of a different story.

Money quote: "The first likely voter model is based on Gallup’s traditional likely voter assumptions, which determine respondents’ likelihood to vote based on how they answer questions about their current voting intention and past voting behavior. According to this model, Obama’s advantage over McCain is 50% to 46% in Oct. 9-11 tracking data."

403 bellamags  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:35:43am

re: #370 arethusa

It is what it is. It happened with Carter. Hopefully, if BHO wins, it will only be a 4 year term.

404 WrathofG-d  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:35:57am

re: #391 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

yes that is a horrible idea....BUT....there is something between the lines here that cannot be missed. It is a dynamic ignored and denied by Westernism, but not reality.

Violence, and force works!

405 mitthrawnurdo  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:36:03am

Sorry - OT

Doesn't this crap ever end? Are people really stupid enough to think that Lehman Brothers actually passed on $400 billion to Israel, under nefarious circumstances of course, before they collapsed?

Conspiracy theory faults Jews for Lehman Brothers' collapse

/ Probably circulated by the same idiots who say that all the Jews left the World Trade Center before the 9/11 attacks.

// btw, I think Kristol's full of it too.

406 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:36:20am

re: #393 unrealizedviewpoint

I know that. But Kristol managed his campaign for Senate in Maryland.

407 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:36:32am

re: #286 reno911

Let me say this up-front.

I am a McCain supporter and will vote for him on election day.

But, I have to tell you that all this talk of Obama leading this country to ruin seems to me to be a bit over-the-top.

I remember the Left in 1980 saying pretty much the same thing about Reagan. "Reagan was going to start WWIII." "Reaganomics sucked." "Reagan was going to kill little babies and on and on and on and on and blah blah blah".

You know what? We sound just like the Leftists back in the 80's.

The reality is that we live in the greatest country ever imagined. Our Constitution and Bill of Rights protect us from jerk-offs like Obama.

Get a grip.

I know... let Obama win to prove our point.

/NOT!

408 DustyRoadsRver  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:36:37am

re: #353 Miss Trixie

Lived in the Golden Horseshoe of TO for 13 years during the 4 year riegn of Bob Ray (now Liberal). What a disaster that was.

409 dentate  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:36:43am

re: #321 FrogMarch

Sadly, the medical community will be hardest hit if the onslaught of Universal health care materializes. Doctors and nurses will have to take huge pay cuts.
Much like government run education, incentives for good doctors and nurses to enter the field, will dry up.

What you wrote depresses me, becasue we need good public speakers on top of this issue.

They will take pay cuts, AND they will pay more taxes. The best and brightest no longer go into medicine. This will make it far worse.

410 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:36:53am
411 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:37:07am
412 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:37:40am

re: #47 zombie

My opinion of Hitchens just plummeted off the cliff.

Well, he is after all a Marxist.

413 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:38:03am

re: #406 Sharmuta

I know that. But Kristol managed his campaign for Senate in Maryland.

got it!

414 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:38:13am

Unscientific...

Youtube, number of videos if you type in OBAMA? 497,000
number of videos if you type in John McCain...153,000

415 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:38:14am

re: #377 legalpad

Well, the disaster scenarios make great campaign rhetoric, but still, there are real possibilities that could get very serious. For example: Would you rather pay $10,000 more in taxes or not? Would you rather your daughter be subject to a draft or not? Would you rather have federal gun registration or not. Would you rather gun bans in certain cities be upheld or not? Would you rather our military be handled like Clinton in Somalia or not? Would you rather the supply of medical care be restricted more or less? Would you rather that there not be the remotest chance of the President listening to what the people really want with regard to immigration?

Of course these are all rhetoric questions. Yes we could survive through hook or crook, we could travel the rocky underground route if we have to, but we really would rather not.

And, would you rather have the sheriff or USS show up at your door to question you for exercising your First Amendment right?

416 bellamags  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:38:48am

re: #410 buzzsawmonkey

I saw a program that paralleled Carter with Obama. They both used the word "Change" and other catch phrases. He will damage this country just like Carter did. The younger voters don't remember this. That is working to BHO's advantage.

417 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:38:56am

re: #381 Colonel Panik

'cause he can play the geetar!

He needs a band. Mike Hucakbee and the Squirrel Fritters.

Chuck Norris is gonna' kick your ass for that.

418 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:38:59am
419 midwestgak  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:39:04am

re: #410 buzzsawmonkey

Carter's first campaign was contentless blather very much like Obama's. See the PBS documentary on the Carter presidency and you'll see what I mean.

The miseries of the Carter years--the shortages and lousy economy--will be repeated under an Obama Presidency; not as incompetence this time, but as policy.

Carter - unintentional consequences
Obama - intentional socialization

420 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:39:10am

re: #349 buzzsawmonkey

That can apply to McCain as well - McCain-Feingold was an assault on the 1st Amendment, and while the Supreme Court found it was constitutional, I find dispicable.

421 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:39:35am

re: #404 WrathofG-d

yes that is a horrible idea....BUT....there is something between the lines here that cannot be missed. It is a dynamic ignored and denied by Westernism, but not reality.

Violence, and force works!

That was my first thought. Basically, the writer is arguing the current forces in the region are unwilling to kill the pirates, so the Islamists should be given power so they'll do it. How about we simply focus on the primary goal of killing the pirates?

Sometimes, the utter destruction of your enemy is a reasonable and valid response.

422 midwestgak  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:39:39am

re: #415 MandyManners

And, would you rather have the sheriff or USS show up at your door to question you for exercising your First Amendment right?

Neither

423 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:39:47am

re: #393 unrealizedviewpoint

Keyes ran against Obama in 2004 for the Senate seat and lost.

Keyes was good as UN ambassador, but he's basically a loose cannon.

424 mitthrawnurdo  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:39:54am

re: #418 ploome hineni

That's a good question.

425 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:40:04am

re: #335 Cognito

re: #361 arethusa

With respect to TV, is the fact that Obama is buying more air time than McCain and thus making advertising revenue soar at all directly influencing the coverage of him? Do you know? (I'm just curious.)

I do. I'm in the broadcast business, and I know there are "deals". For instance, if a TV station agrees to place the Obama ads in better time slots, that station is looked upon more favorably when it comes time for Obama/ Biden to do SMT's (Satellite Media Tours,, thats where the candidate is sitting in a studio in lets say Baltimore, and one at a time the "local" TV stations across the country get to "sit with" the candidate one on one. If the station made a big ad buy, they get A) more time with the candidate and B) get to choose the actual "time"

426 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:40:07am
427 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:40:08am

re: #397 buzzsawmonkey

Can you say "young, radical Supreme Court justices?" I knew you could.

An issue not being addressed by the campaign at all. I saw a few 527 spots on this but that's it.

428 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:40:09am

re: #393 unrealizedviewpoint

Keyes ran against Obama in 2004 for the Senate seat and lost.

He was the replacement for Jack Ryan, who would've easily beat Obama until an Obamavik made sure his divorce records were unsealed.

429 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:40:10am

re: #414 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Unscientific...

Youtube, number of videos if you type in OBAMA? 497,000
number of videos if you type in John McCain...153,000

OK... but we already knew Youtube was loaded with Obamabots. So what?

430 WrathofG-d  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:40:16am

re: #405 mitthrawnurdo

Yes its crazy but it should be seen in the context of every other financial crisis in history and the results such "stupid conspiracy theories" often have. I do not take these conspiracy theories lightly, and neither should anyone else.

Financial Crisis + blame the Jews = Holocaust, pogroms, violence, and murder.

431 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:40:51am

re: #372 Cognito

No.

YES ,,, see my #425

432 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:40:53am

Chairman Obama is speaking.
/He's getting heckled too.

433 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:40:57am

re: #382 vagabond trader

As I've said before, my liberal gay hair stylist and his partner are for McCain.They informed me that their wealthy liberal clientele simply cannot vote for a black man.So much for racial tolerance.

My liberal, gay sister and her SO are for McCain. BHO scares the shit out of them, and it's not due to race.

434 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:41:03am

re: #429 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Nothing really. Was just curious.

435 arethusa  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:41:04am

The three major reasons I'm against universal healthcare are: 1) yes, it means the government is in charge; 2) it has an iffy track record in countries where it's been implemented; and 3) in those same countries, over time, a pattern of discrimination occurs against the terminally ill or disabled. I can't find the link, but last month in England a columnist called for the euthanization of Alzheimer's patients - the argument was they were draining money away from the state. As for the disabled, I have strong personal reasons to be concerned about their treatment under such a plan.

The big problem in US health care is that it's over-used by those who have it and it costs too much. Obama's plan doesn't address that problem. McCain's plan is in part an attempt to drive down costs.

436 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:41:05am

re: #414 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That doesn't differentiate between those attacking Obama or McCain or those supporting those candidates. It merely posits the number of videos containing those keywords.

437 HippieforLife  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:41:28am

Obama is on FOX spouting his "change" meme. Sounds almost like some republican talking points.

Oh, oh, Obambi is being attacke by the evil John McCain. He is worried about us, Bush policies, etc.

Here he goes with the economy, 95% tax breaks, blah, blah!

438 joncelli  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:41:36am

re: #169 unreconstructed rebel

Precisely. They're intellectuals arguing a pure concept. They're not interested in practical politics because it doesn't get on their radar and, frankly, because they think it's grubby.

439 legalpad  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:42:00am

re: #415 MandyManners

And, would you rather have the sheriff or USS show up at your door to question you for exercising your First Amendment right?

Yeah - good grief.

440 midwestgak  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:42:01am

re: #433 MandyManners

My liberal, gay sister and her SO are for McCain. BHO scares the shit out of them, and it's not due to race.

Fear is good. Whatever it takes

441 sojerofgod  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:42:02am

re: #355 Killgore Trout
I doubt the evangelical movement would stop their conversion drive: it is part and parcel of their belief system. That said, I don't believe that is their sole motiviation for embracing Israel and the Jewish people. The commandment to love, exclusive of the commandment to preach to the unconverted really does apply to many of them. I am concerned by what seems by some is an attitude that when you scratch the paint off of a WASP you find a hooded robe. That's a one-dimensional take on a very complex set of people. NOTICE: I am NOT saying that the posters here are doing this: It is endemic in our public square today though, really promoted by the leftists who in their heart of hearts, really are racist and anti-semetic.

442 godfrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:42:05am

End game for Obama:

1. Lay out a moderate Cabinet: Rubin at Treasury, Powell at State, etc. Let them provide political cover.

Response: hammer away at Obama's own positions. Who cares how moderate the advisors are if the guy who makes the decisions is a radical ignoramus?

2. Woo the middle class by promising them the moon. Doesn't matter if none of it is true or feasible.

Response: point out every single way his economic policies are untrue and unfeasible. Present our alternatives as BETTER YET.

3. Apologize for Ayers and ACORN, and talk tough about the necessity of guaranteeing the integrity of the election.

Response: hammer away at Obama's poor, poor judgment, his being no more than a Chicago machine politician, his outrageous support of Odinga who didn't give a damn about elections in Kenya, etc. Say: "yes, this campaign damn well should have integrity, NO THANKS TO YOU."

Hammer him.

443 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:42:12am

re: #434 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nothing really. Was just curious.

Now, did you really use "Obama" vs "John McCain"?

Try it without McCain's first name and see what difference that makes.

444 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:42:15am

re: #397 buzzsawmonkey

Can you say "young, radical Supreme Court justices?" I knew you could.

I can but, I'd rather not.

445 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:42:15am

re: #432 Killgore Trout

Chairman Obama is speaking.
/He's getting heckled too.

Good. The Big Zero should be heckled everywhere he goes with chants of "socialist", "Wright", "Ayres", and "Rezko".

446 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:42:16am

Yeah. That's why I said "unscientific". Was just simply curious to the numbers if I keyed each name in. Zots allfoks.

447 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:42:45am

re: #416 bellamags

I saw a program that paralleled Carter with Obama. They both used the word "Change" and other catch phrases. He will damage this country just like Carter did. The younger voters don't remember this. That is working to BHO's advantage.

I remember in Ronald Reagan's autobiography An American Life, he wrote about Carter's view of America. Jimmah kept bloviating about how we were past our prime and would have to learn to live with less. I see Obama doing exactly the same thing, and I can't fathom how people can keep falling for the same old sack of bullshit.

448 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:42:59am

Okay maybe I am an idiot ...... but what is the flag next to the American flag where The One is stand? Is that the state flag of Ohio?

449 HippieforLife  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:43:05am

People cannot honestly think that this zero can do any of the things he promises.

450 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:43:38am

re: #443 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

269,000 but a fairly common name ( I guess)

451 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:43:42am

re: #422 midwestgak

Neither

They're doing it right now. Well, the USS is. I think that Missouri's governor's reaction was a sufficient bitch-slap.

452 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:43:52am
453 legalpad  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:44:02am

re: #448 JacksonTn

Okay maybe I am an idiot ...... but what is the flag next to the American flag where The One is stand? Is that the state flag of Ohio?

yes

454 Miss Trixie  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:44:09am

re: #408 DustyRoadsRver

Lived in the Golden Horseshoe of TO for 13 years during the 4 year riegn of Bob Ray (now Liberal). What a disaster that was.

Yikes! I'm originally from Alberta and I have a question for Ontarions. What the he** are you doing voting for the left? Haven't you learned anything?

Now my BP is going up and I'm getting a tummyache. I'm going to go outside and put my courtyard garden to bed and simmer down. It's a loverly day and I want to enjoy it before I make myself ill.

It's been nice talking with you, perhaps we can talk again. My best to you and your fambly on this Thanksgiving and may you always give thanks for the little things in life.

Ciao.

455 WrathofG-d  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:44:15am

re: #411 ploome hineni

Fair enough. re: #444 MandyManners

So we can expect that female, terrorist-supporting, information-smuggling Attorney on the Court?

456 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:44:35am

re: #428 Honorary Yooper

He was the replacement for Jack Ryan, who would've easily beat Obama until an Obamavik made sure his divorce records were unsealed.

Soros' money was at work back then.

457 opnion  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:44:40am

re: #359 Cognito

You sure?

Yes, she said "The Senator & moderator may not like my answers, but I am talking to the American people"
With that she proceeded to get the points across that she wanted, regardless of the question.

458 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:44:43am

re: #452 ploome hineni

we should go to the Obama speech and start chanting USA, USA

lol

see what happens

After their initial shock and confusion, you'll be heckles down by the Obamatons

459 HippieforLife  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:44:47am

Sorry about being so fired up, but this guy is simply amazing.

Also, WTF is up with the "flag" over his left shoulder?

460 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:45:01am

re: #447 Fat Jolly Penguin

I remember in Ronald Reagan's autobiography An American Life, he wrote about Carter's view of America. Jimmah kept bloviating about how we were past our prime and would have to learn to live with less. I see Obama doing exactly the same thing, and I can't fathom how people can keep falling for the same old sack of bullshit.

They want to BELIEVE!

461 Adina in Judea  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:45:01am

Sometimes people like Bill Kristol should just try to contain themselves, IMO.

One of the campaign reporters has written about the Obama campaign airplane SMELLING BAD (consistently) while reporters are given scant information about where Obama is going. The airplane is in the air at the time of the network nightly news, so they can't report live.

McCain, on the other hand, has a CLEAN PLANE (not bad smelling at all) with actual booklets for reporters about his plans so that they aren't left waiting for half an hour or an hour at a time for information.

The polls tanked somewhat due to the economic situation.

Bill Kristol should use his resources to explain who caused this.

There is absolutely NO EXCUSE for conservative meltdowns at this point.

462 midwestgak  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:45:02am

re: #451 MandyManners

They're doing it right now. Well, the USS is. I think that Missouri's governor's reaction was a sufficient bitch-slap.

Please explain a little further.

463 realwest  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:45:03am

re: #286 reno911
Hey - you said

But, I have to tell you that all this talk of Obama leading this country to ruin seems to me to be a bit over-the-top.

I remember the Left in 1980 saying pretty much the same thing about Reagan. "Reagan was going to start WWIII." "Reaganomics sucked." "Reagan was going to kill little babies and on and on and on and on and blah blah blah".

You know what? We sound just like the Leftists back in the 80's.

The reality is that we live in the greatest country ever imagined. Our Constitution and Bill of Rights protect us from jerk-offs like Obama.

Get a grip.


And I feel obliged to respond. We don't sound like the leftists in the 80's. Ronald Reagan was not talking about redistribution of wealth (which is in fact what Obama's most recent tax proposals amount to). Ronald Reagan was trying, HARD, to rebuild a military that Jimmy Carter had gutten AND fight the in fact Evil Empire of the Soviet Union. That was the cold war: US vs the USSR.
The world has changed in international affairs; we now must deal with potentially horrible WMD from an entire variety of unstable sources: Nork, Pakistan, (soon if not already) Iran, and other nations who may be somewhat more reliable in their decision making (e.g., Russia).
That Obama is completely unequipped to deal with these external threats to the United States seems to me to be manifest.
As for the economy, at this juncture it doesn't really matter what either candiate says they "will do" because no one can predict what the US/World economy will be on January 20, 2009. All we can do is look to the philosophical beliefs/tendacies of Senators Obama and McCain. I believe that Senator Obama, because of where he came from and with whom he has voluntarily chosen to associate (Wright, Ayers, ACORN, et. al. and etc.) is more of a danger to the concept of working your way "up the economic ladder" than is John McCain. Moreover, aside from the question of which TYPES of Justices either would appoint to SCOTUS, it is my belief that McCain would appoint those less predispositioned to legislate from the bench and Obama is more predisposed to appoint those who believe it is SCOTUS' job TO legislate from the bench (and that goes for lower court Federal Judges appointments as well).
Thus I think Obama may, structurally and fundamentally change the way in which American has found such enormous success over it's history, leading it to the point where it is today: the only real Superpower left in the world - and more than that, a Superpower more likely to do good than evil.
While Bush has been a dissapointment to me in a number of ways,personally, I don't think it's accurate for anyone to say that HE isn't responsible for the failures of terrorists to successfully attack the US the way they did (or, God help us, worse than they did) on 9/11.
I think we would indeed be SIGNIFICANTLY less safe from terrorism from abroad with Obama as President.
If you think that's how Lefties felt and sounded in the 1980's, I think you are sadly mistaken.

464 runrabbitrun  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:45:18am

re: #286 reno911

But, I have to tell you that all this talk of Obama leading this country to ruin seems to me to be a bit over-the-top.

I remember the Left in 1980 saying pretty much the same thing about Reagan. "Reagan was going to start WWIII." "Reaganomics sucked." "Reagan was going to kill little babies and on and on and on and on and blah blah blah".

The right at that time wasn't ALREADY trying, as Obama's friends are now doing, to disenfranchise citizens and expand socialism by enlarging voter pools (felons, open borders) who would prefer a cradle-to-grave entitlement society, put more power into the hands of activist courts and away from the legislature, and permanently remove right wing voices from the public square by enacting a 'Fairness Doctrine' that would be administered by the same elite leftists who put it into place.

465 Cognito  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:45:20am

re: #457 opnion

Yes, she said "The Senator & moderator may not like my answers, but I am talking to the American people"
With that she proceeded to get the points across that she wanted, regardless of the question.

It wasn't Brokaw, was my little point. Just a little ribbing.

466 nobamadada  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:45:29am

I happen to agree with Bill Kristol to some extent. Something needs to change in the McCain campaign. I can't grasp the idea of having Barack Obama,Nancy Pelosi and Howie Dean running our country. This is the reality we have to look at...Cmon John you must give us more at Wendsdays debate!

467 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:45:30am

re: #432 Killgore Trout

Chairman Obama is speaking.
/He's getting heckled too.

I can't watch him long enough to catch the hecklers.

468 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:45:33am

re: #450 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

269,000 but a fairly common name ( I guess)

Point is the one ref was at a higher level. A lot of political postings will not use both names.

See how much the Obama one drops by including the One's first name... or even worse, if you include the "H-word" :-)

469 nigella  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:45:40am

Hi all I am so discouraged today. Why is it that "supposed" Republican/Conservatives constantly stab themselves in the back? I wish I could be like Sharmuta and be positive, but I can't keep blaming "flawed" polls for McCain being behind.Because of the LSM, it is nearly impossible to get anything other than negative stories. I will try to still believe McCain can win, but it is getting harder and harder each day. l

470 arethusa  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:45:52am

re: #457 opnion

Yes, she said "The Senator & moderator may not like my answers, but I am talking to the American people"
With that she proceeded to get the points across that she wanted, regardless of the question.

She said it to Gwen Ifill, not Tom Brokaw, that's what Cognito was asking. Ifill did a waaaaay better job than Brokaw did in the second Presidential debate.

471 odinga  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:46:02am

re: #32 lawhawk

He won for work done nearly 2 decades ago, though I figure it was given to him because he's now an anti-Bush raving loon.

ABSOLUTELY. Politics and vacuous opinion have encroached on every aspect of our lives. Plato must be rolling in his grave at the unchecked sophistry that now clouds every debate.

We live at a time when pseudo intellectuals such as Hitchens are praised for their meandering bloviations erected out of unadulterated contempt for decency. He calls Plain a "disgrace" but has no words for Bill Ayers.

I have never met a happy atheist.

472 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:46:05am

re: #447 Fat Jolly Penguin

Is your profile correct? You are in High School? I am impressed that you have made yourself familiar with Reagan. I say 'made yourself' because I find it very doubtful you learned that in school.

473 legalpad  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:46:20am

re: #459 HippieforLife

Sorry about being so fired up, but this guy is simply amazing.

Also, WTF is up with the "flag" over his left shoulder?

Ohio State flag.

474 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:46:30am

re: #439 legalpad

I really wish that story had been covered by Fox.

475 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:46:39am

re: #458 sattv4u2

After their initial shock and confusion, you'll be heckles down by the Obamatons

Yeah, anybody chanting "USA" there would be assumed to be an opponent of the One.

/That should tell you something...

476 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:46:42am
477 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:46:58am

re: #440 midwestgak

Fear is good. Whatever it takes

She's a moonbat but, she's not stupid.

478 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:47:05am

F**KING G** D*** NANCY F**KING PELOSI

Pelosi will Congress back into session if Obama wins

After consulting with Barack Obama, Democratic leaders are likely to call Congress back to work after the election in hopes of passing legislation that would include extended jobless benefits, money for food stamps and possibly a tax rebate, officials said Saturday.

479 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:47:16am

re: #468 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

gotcha.

480 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:47:17am

re: #379 WrathofG-d

If they wish to convert, then convert....just do it elsewhere.


Well it becomes a "not in my backyard" sort of problem. Nobody else is eager to be converted either. Don't send them my way to annoy me.

481 HippieforLife  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:47:27am

re: #473 legalpad

Thanks.

482 midwestgak  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:47:39am

re: #461 Adina in Judea

Hi Adina.

There is absolutely NO EXCUSE for conservative meltdowns at this point.

Let's have more of this kind of talk. Updinged ya.

483 nobamadada  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:47:43am

re: #399 CapeCoddah

Could not pay me enough to listen to the Hildabeast. Odds are she will vote McCain/Palin just to twist her own personal fork in the 0

HILDABEAST

484 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:47:46am

re: #453 legalpad

yes

Good ..... dang I thought he had already made up his own American Socialist State Flag .......... but you know it's coming ..........IF he gets elected ........WAKE UP AMERICA

485 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:48:06am
486 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:48:09am

re: #432 Killgore Trout

Chairman Obama is speaking.
/He's getting heckled too.

Damn Republican trolls.

"I've read about you. You're an Arab!"

/

487 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:48:19am

re: #472 Ford_Prefect

Is your profile correct? You are in High School? I am impressed that you have made yourself familiar with Reagan. I say 'made yourself' because I find it very doubtful you learned that in school.

It is indeed correct. I learned a bit about Reagan in middle school (not a public school, thankfully), and it piqued my interest. (I guess loving to study history helps there, too.)

488 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:48:32am

re: #437 HippieforLife

Obama is on FOX spouting his "change" meme. Sounds almost like some republican talking points.

Oh, oh, Obambi is being attacke by the evil John McCain. He is worried about us, Bush policies, etc.

Here he goes with the economy, 95% tax breaks, blah, blah!

Nearly 50% of people already pay nothing in tax - he's extending them additional credits and rebates to buy additional votes. That additional money is explicitly coming from higher taxes on the upper middle class and rich. It's pure unbridled redistribution of wealth.

Throw in the fact that Obama would allow the Bush tax cuts to sunset and we're likely to see the highest tax increases in the world, particularly on capital gains and the estate tax.

489 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:48:33am

New thread aborted?

490 wright1  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:48:35am

re: #433 MandyManners

My liberal, gay sister and her SO are for McCain. BHO scares the shit out of them, and it's not due to race.


Equally as unscientific, I have heard from Hispanic acquaintances that most Hispanics will not vote for BHO. While not monolithic, many Hispanics are conservative and not intested in a candidate like BHO for other reasons. Not being Hispanic, I am less convinced. I think that when you are handing out candy and prizes to the masses, you are going to have many who get in line. But, if it is true, it is encouraging. We only need to peel away numbers from different groupings, former Clintonites, Hispanics, Independants, and even some Unions.

491 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:48:48am

What else is The One giving away today? ........ I have muted the sound .....

492 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:48:50am

Um, there was a new thread. Where did it go? *poking around*

493 Perry  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:48:51am

re: #307 Florida Lady

Saw that - hope it's true!

Can someone clarify this - to file RICO charges, you have to do so in more than 1 state?

/know NOTHING about RICO


Racketeering is by definition crime committed by 2 or more people across state lines. Andy McCarthy or somebody has been on this....I will try to find it....the Clintons of all people are filing suit...oh where is it...?

494 sojerofgod  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:49:06am

re: #467 MandyManners
I agree there;

I know it was childish but I refused to watch Clinton give a speech or presser throughout his entire tenure. I tried a couple of times but after about 30 seconds the disgust factor would kick in and I would have to change the channel. I don't watch so much TV anymore so I suppose if big O wins I wouldn't miss much.

495 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:49:13am

re: #487 Fat Jolly Penguin

It is indeed correct. I learned a bit about Reagan in middle school (not a public school, thankfully), and it piqued my interest. (I guess loving to study history helps there, too.)

Well, keep up the good work and spread the word amongst your fellow students.

496 godfrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:49:16am

re: #463 realwest

Great post, real.

Gives new meaning to "get real."

497 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:49:25am

Woah. Did a full thread just disappear?

498 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:49:25am

re: #489 Killgore Trout

Yeah, that was weird...

499 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:49:35am

re: #492 Fat Jolly Penguin

Um, there was a new thread. Where did it go? *poking around*

Charles pulled it.

500 jwb7605  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:49:36am

re: #489 Killgore Trout

New thread aborted?

Yup. I tried to post it was the Ohio flag, and got the message "Item closed".

501 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:49:36am

Chairman Obama is speaking, promising to give away more and more of the store, creating more lefties ..more lefties who want free stuff.

502 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:49:43am

there was a new thread, a misunderstanding, immediately taken down. Good job Charles.

503 WrathofG-d  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:49:46am

re: #480 Killgore Trout

Come now, is there really a "Atheists For Jesus" or some other equivalent to that for religions other than Judaism?

504 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:49:49am

re: #469 nigella

When you start to feel like that- go read a PUMA blog.

505 opnion  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:49:49am

re: #465 Cognito

It wasn't Brokaw, was my little point. Just a little ribbing.

Sorry, missed it.

506 Florida Lady  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:50:08am

This Tim Mahoney story could have some real legs.

Being the replacement for Mark Foley in 2006, and paying off $121,000 in hush $ to a mistress, Mahoney looks like a real fool and displays the hypocrisy of the Left in ways everyday people can understand.

Now if they find Rahm Emmanuel's fingerprints on the hush $, that would really sweeten up the story!

/not getting my hopes up too much; it's just a possibility

507 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:50:12am

re: #486 Ward Cleaver

I couldn't hear well enough to tell what she was yelling. I hope it wasn't anything too embarrassing. I'd prefer we leave causing disrupting speeches to the LLL. It always looks bad.

508 razorbacker  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:50:28am

Talking to my wife whilst driving her to her physical therapy, and she mentioned that virtually all the campaign signs were for local races. During the 40 minute drive we only counted 4 presidential signs (2 for Obiden and 2 for Palin/McCain, which considering it was Fayetteville and likely the most liberal city in AR strikes me as pretty good news).

But you may not want to put too much faith in my powers of observation, cause I delivered her to PT and went to run a couple of errands. When I got back, there was this nice-looking old lady waiting in her car for someone else to emerge. She looked, familiar if you know what I mean. Can't quite place her, but pretty sure I seen her before. I give her the old sideways-glance-partially-hidden-by-the-sunglasses but can't place her.

Finally, I go over and say, "You know, I've the darnedest feeling that we've met, but I can't be sure. My name is Razorbacker." Stuck the old paw out and was mighty sorry to hear her reply, "I guess you could say that we've met before, considering we dated all during the summer of 1970 and you spent every Friday and Saturday night trying to pound me into the back seat of that rattletrap car you used to have."

Well. I was nonplussed, I must confess. Fortunately for me, the guy she was waiting for got out before the girl I was waiting for. And in my defense:

(1) I'm pretty darned sure that I've never dated anyone that old.

(b) Come on, I'm supposed to remember everyone I've met over the last half-century? Give me a break.

(3) We're 38 years and almost 300 miles removed from the scene of the crime. Little help, here? What are the chances?

(finally) I'm positive the applicable phrase was 'made sweet, sweet, love beneath the summer moon' instead of 'tried to pound into the back seat'. I mean really, words do mean things after all.

I'm seriously reconsidering my friends to all and a hearty word of greeting philosophy. The wheels seem to be coming off that bus.

509 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:50:31am

I could swear Charles just put up a thread titled "Obama Redesigns American Flag" and then promptly made it go *poof*.

510 godfrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:50:51am

Who does Obama think is going to create jobs?

511 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:50:54am

Another misguided idea (or is it a trap) from Obama: allow people to withdraw up to 15% of their IRA or 401k without penalty "to tide them over."

Thereby further discouraging saving and depleting retirement accounts, making us dependent on government when we are older.

512 WrathofG-d  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:50:55am

re: #500 jwb7605

ixnay wit da iflagy.

513 Claudia  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:51:04am

re: #319 WrathofG-d

Yes, and no.

Surprised as I have believed and experienced what seemed like a non-self interested love and compassion from the evangelical Christian Zionist community towards Jews and Israel. I had hoped that this love and compassion was genuine, and that finally after thousands of years the two communities has actually moved past our difficult past. It truly seems (seemed) to be. I had often passionately argued with my fellow Jews that the interest we were getting from the Christian community was genuine, and not out of their interest to convert us.

Not surprised as there is nothing new under the sun.


I've come across a lot of proselytizing in Ramle (Israel) when I visit friends of mine who are Indian Jews. It creeps me out to listen to their blather & I certainly let them know.

514 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:51:04am

re: #485 ploome hineni

me too

lol, I just switched channels

he is promising everytingunder the sun

/if he can get rid of my cellulite I will vote for him also

well ,, lets see

Big Gov't will ban fast fatty foods (bad for the kiddies, ya know ,, and after all McDonalds is one of those big bad coorporations
Also, you'll have less money due to higher taxes , so you'll have less to spend on food (buck up,,, hunger is good for ya)
And last but not least, Big Daddy Gov't health care will MANDATE free liposuction, as "fat" will now be classified a disability

515 arethusa  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:51:07am

re: #472 Ford_Prefect

Good high schools, especially private ones, still teach US government and history in depth. I remember I had AP Government during the 1988 election. Our summer assignment was to watch and report on one night of each party's convention. Of course I picked the night of the Democratic convention when Bill Clinton was giving the looooongest speech in convention history. My father and I just sat there, shaking our heads and saying "Wow, this guy is terrible." Little did we know...

516 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:51:10am

Any of you guys have the cool 'obama mole' next to your nose, like I do? Hmmm? Well, I'm gonna get all kinds of good stuff. HAH!

517 legalpad  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:51:13am

re: #469 nigella


Hi all I am so discouraged today

Yeah but McCain is doing better in the polls, the point difference is narrowing, the DOW is going up, McCain just gave a great speech. We'll make it!

518 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:51:13am

re: #500 jwb7605

Ah.

519 arethusa  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:51:21am

re: #489 Killgore Trout

In record time!

520 opnion  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:51:30am

re: #486 Ward Cleaver

Damn Republican trolls.

"I've read about you. You're an Arab!"

/

'Ahab, the Arab, The Shiek of the brning sand.........." never mind.

521 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:51:34am

re: #509 Lizard by the Bay

I could swear Charles just put up a thread titled "Obama Redesigns American Flag" and then promptly made it go *poof*.

He did. I think he saw the Ohio state flag (see #500) and thought The ONE had taken to redesigning American icons yet again.

522 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:51:51am

re: #489 Killgore Trout

New thread aborted?

It was a case of mistaken identity re the Ohio state flag.

523 joncelli  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:51:59am

re: #237 FrogMarch

If McCain listens to anybody, he should listen to Barone. The guy's had his finger on the American political pulse for decades. Listen to the ones with the proven track record.

524 vagabond trader  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:52:08am

re: #433 MandyManners

This is a consistently blue state so it was very uplifting to drive about 40 miles up a well travelled secondary route and see a pretty even showing of political signs in yards.One was an Obama with NO painted in before the name.lol.

525 Adina in Judea  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:52:13am

By the way, if conservatives plan to damage McCain by pumping up the idea that he has to leave Obama lying on the floor (figuratively) after the next debate or all is lost - then conservatives are working with Obama to help him win.

There is NO EXCUSE to pump Obama up like this in public by setting the bar for McCain so high that conservatives are going to be suicidal if he doesn't soar into the sky when he opens his mouth.

We need to try to hold things together on our end, too.

Things are turning again and McCain has held on all this time against the entire MSM (except for Fox) and massive, massive voter fraud.

Let's give McCain some credit for still being viable in this election in spite of Obama having a massive fix in for him from illegal campaign contributions from overseas and help for Obama from all our worst enemies.

Even Bill and Hillary couldn't survive The Obama's fix.

McCain is a miracle, considering all these things, but he may not fly into the sky when he opens his mouth next. Let's please have some patience.

Thank you.

526 runrabbitrun  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:52:16am

re: #509 Lizard by the Bay

I could swear Charles just put up a thread titled "Obama Redesigns American Flag" and then promptly made it go *poof*.

What was that new flag thingy? (I tried to find out but the thread had already gone bye-bye.)

527 WrathofG-d  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:52:21am

re: #513 Claudia

Well "in Israel" is a whole another story. Attempts to convert Jews there strikes a specific nerve.

528 FrogMarch  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:52:27am

Extra Credit [Stephen Spruiell]

The Democrats want another round of tax-rebate checks, in addition to the $100 billion in tax-rebate checks that went out last spring. Democrats are essentially conceding that tax cuts are good for the economy, but they are opposed to the kind of long-term tax relief workers and businesses can count on. They'd rather confiscate your money first, so they can take credit for giving it back. Viewed in this light, it is appropriate that so much of Obama's tax plan consists of "tax credits."

Ed Morrissey writes, "Put it this way: does it cost more to take money from taxpayers and then pay bureaucrats to filter it back to us, or just leave it in our pockets in the first place?"

Obama's ponzi scheme..

529 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:52:31am

re: #510 godfrey

Who does Obama think is going to create jobs?

Tie Dyed T-Shirt sellers

530 abolitionist  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:52:35am

re: #128 joekowalski247

Maybe McCain should have a town hall meeting in a forest somewhere and ask all the trees how they want their country run too.. That might get some of those Obama supporters to jump the fence?

Nix that. Too suggestive of a passage in an ancient holy war manual.

531 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:52:42am

PLEASE DO NOT SPEAK OF THE NATURE OF THE DISSOLVED THREAD. LET IT GO DOWN THE MEMORY HOLE APPROPRIATELY!

532 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:53:08am

Oh, and Obama has no regard for business decisions by anyone or contract law. He wants to engage in a 90 day moratorium on foreclosures.

Where in the Constitution is there a right for the government to interfere in contracts on such a basis as that?

There isn't - though I'm sure some intrepid scholar will point to Art 1, Sec. 8, Cl 18 as the source...

The problem here is that foreclosures are a way of dealing with people who could not afford the homes they're in. Banks want to unload the homes but need to find someone who can afford to pay for them. That means that those homes will necessarily become more affordable for those who have the means to pay for them.

Foreclosures can be good for buyers (witness people lining up for buying foreclosed properties). Obama is pandering to a few people who made bad business decisions for themselves; despite the soaring number of foreclosures, the total number is a fraction of overall homeownership.

533 midwestgak  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:53:16am

re: #525 Adina in Judea

You're on a roll. Another upding

534 godfrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:53:16am

Obama/Biden
+ Pelosi/Reid

No wonder Lefties are in such a rage. They're so close to One Party Rule, they can almost taste it. Who dares take this Moment away from them? Kill them! Kill them!

Etc.

535 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:53:40am

re: #521 Fat Jolly Penguin

He did. I think he saw the Ohio state flag (see #500) and thought The ONE had taken to redesigning American icons yet again.

Ah, so LGF is in fact the site that factchecks everyone's ass.

536 Archimedes  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:54:21am

re: #72 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Kristol is sounding like a pundit punditing merely because punditing is what he does. In fairness, even the best slip into it at times.

He does make some good points, but they're embedded within a column whose central theme approaches irrelevance.

*yawn*

Kristol buys into the premises of the left wing press about being "nice" (wait, they don't care about demos being "nice"), instead of being *principled* and fighting for freedom. I've never been a fan of his.

537 opnion  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:54:41am

re: #428 Honorary Yooper

He was the replacement for Jack Ryan, who would've easily beat Obama until an Obamavik made sure his divorce records were unsealed.

That is what happened. You could say that Barry got down with the politics of personal destruction.

538 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:54:46am

re: #500 jwb7605

Yup. I tried to post it was the Ohio flag, and got the message "Item closed".

Heh. I've still "got it up" in another window here.
Come on over and scribble on the screen with a magic marker.

BTW ... good job, Charles ... quick reaction!

539 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:55:01am

re: #531 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

PLEASE DO NOT SPEAK OF THE NATURE OF THE DISSOLVED THREAD. LET IT GO DOWN THE MEMORY HOLE APPROPRIATELY!

I thought we were against memory holes. Isn't that what we berate liberal sites for?

540 Adina in Judea  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:55:04am

re: #533 midwestgak

re: #525 Adina in Judea

You're on a roll. Another upding

Thank you!

541 itellu3times  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:55:04am

re: #251 dentate

I believe that is $150 billion over ten years, for some kind of "effectiveness" project. Unbelievable. Paid for by closing the tax break on Keebler elves.

542 FrogMarch  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:55:33am

re: #523 joncelli

I agree. And kristol 'ain't it.

543 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:55:47am

re: #286 reno911

Let me say this up-front.

I am a McCain supporter and will vote for him on election day.

But, I have to tell you that all this talk of Obama leading this country to ruin seems to me to be a bit over-the-top.

I remember the Left in 1980 saying pretty much the same thing about Reagan. "Reagan was going to start WWIII." "Reaganomics sucked." "Reagan was going to kill little babies and on and on and on and on and blah blah blah".

You know what? We sound just like the Leftists back in the 80's.

The reality is that we live in the greatest country ever imagined. Our Constitution and Bill of Rights protect us from jerk-offs like Obama.

Get a grip.

The Johnson administration ruined my health (Vietnam).
The Carter administration ruined my family's financial health until well into the Regan administration, and left us to deal with a nuclear armed Iran.
The Clinton administration ruined the prestige of the Office of the Presidency, paved the way for 9-11, and created the current financial mess by putting the CRA on steroids.
I'm scared shitless of what an Obama presidency will being.

544 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:56:19am

Well, I guess it's not really down the memory hole as Charles makes direct mention of it in the new next thread.

545 WrathofG-d  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:56:50am

re: #532 lawhawk

Couldn't/shouldn't the Gov just gave that 700 Billion to satisfy the foreclosing mortgages (if they are going to do a moratorium, and the bailout that is. Both seem wrong where I am concerned)

546 midwestgak  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:57:27am

gotta go. Have a great day all.

547 FrogMarch  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:59:00am

re: #488 lawhawk

Nearly 50% of people already pay nothing in tax - he's extending them additional credits and rebates to buy additional votes. That additional money is explicitly coming from higher taxes on the upper middle class and rich. It's pure unbridled redistribution of wealth.

Throw in the fact that Obama would allow the Bush tax cuts to sunset and we're likely to see the highest tax increases in the world, particularly on capital gains and the estate tax.


Bingo.

548 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:59:03am

re: #294 Cognito

Ah, that sounds a bit apocryphal.

It is seared into my brain. Read it at the time, never have forgotten it. A sad example of the poor quality of our educational establishment.

549 notutopia  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:59:24am

re: #385 yma o hyd
Some of these are almost Freudian!
Seven Hundred Porcupines? OUCH!

550 odinga  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 10:59:37am

re: #286 reno911

Our Constitution and Bill of Rights protect us from jerk-offs like Obama.

Get a grip.

Our Constitution and Bill of Rights did not protect us from 911. Our Constitution and Bill of Rights do not seem to protect us from the rampant election fraud that is publicly being perpetrated by ACORN right under our very noses.

Our Constitution and Bill of Rights are not protecting us from the blatant spin and DISINFORMATION that the MSM call news.

Election fraud and the MSM selecting candidates and controlling debates are anathema to DEMOCRACY.

WAKE UP. Obama will be a disaster for the American Dream.

551 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:00:36am

re: #531 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

PLEASE DO NOT SPEAK OF THE NATURE OF THE DISSOLVED THREAD. LET IT GO DOWN THE MEMORY HOLE APPROPRIATELY!

I up-dinged this, but want to add that this is what makes LGF different from ... (cough) ... certain other sites. When something isn't correct, a change is made. When a mistake is made, it's put right.

This site is Charles', and I firmly believe I can see something of who he is by how he operates it.

*salute*

552 odinga  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:01:06am

re: #470 arethusa

She said it to Gwen Ifill, not Tom Brokaw, that's what Cognito was asking. Ifill did a waaaaay better job than Brokaw did in the second Presidential debate.

You mean Gwen I$HILL

553 yma o hyd  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:01:21am

re: #435 arethusa

The three major reasons I'm against universal healthcare are: 1) yes, it means the government is in charge; 2) it has an iffy track record in countries where it's been implemented; and 3) in those same countries, over time, a pattern of discrimination occurs against the terminally ill or disabled. I can't find the link, but last month in England a columnist called for the euthanization of Alzheimer's patients - the argument was they were draining money away from the state. As for the disabled, I have strong personal reasons to be concerned about their treatment under such a plan.

The big problem in US health care is that it's over-used by those who have it and it costs too much. Obama's plan doesn't address that problem. McCain's plan is in part an attempt to drive down costs.

Spot on!
That was, btw, not some cloumnist, but Lady Warnock, a Labour politician, ennobled, as reward for her input into various Government Health Committees.
Something else of interest in this debate: the NHS (thats the National Health Service) is always short of money, thus the top, new cancer drugs are 'unaffordable'. Meaning - you won't get them, even if your cancer specialist thinks its the best option.
If you ask to pay for them yourself - even going so far as to take up a second mortgage on your home - youa re not allowed to, unless you also pay for all the NHS services, from sticking pakster to syringes to lab checks to consultant fees (which are 'free', i.e. you';ve paid for all that with your taxes).
Oh - and then there are the waiting lists ... wanna wait 18 monthst for your hip replacement? its in fact longer, because before you get on the oepration waiting list you're on a waiting list for the X-rays, the consultant, the next consultant ... never mind that you're in pain ...

You all check out the British NHS if you want to get arguments against nationalised health insurance ...

554 vagabond trader  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:02:19am

The "new" jobs will be government sponsored green technology and rebuilding infrastructure.Our next bubbles. Can you say more squandering of tax dollars?

555 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:04:07am

re: #488 lawhawk

Nearly 50% of people already pay nothing in tax - he's extending them additional credits and rebates to buy additional votes. That additional money is explicitly coming from higher taxes on the upper middle class and rich. It's pure unbridled redistribution of wealth.

Throw in the fact that Obama would allow the Bush tax cuts to sunset and we're likely to see the highest tax increases in the world, particularly on capital gains and the estate tax.

Vote buying on a massive scale. The Chicago Machine philosophy writ large.

556 HoosierHoops  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:04:47am

re: #529 sattv4u2

Tie Dyed T-Shirt sellers


I'm applying for the Sun Dial winder position

557 Colonel Panik  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:05:11am

Kristol Meth is bad for you.

558 Perry  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:05:28am

307 Florida Lady

[Link: community.marketwatch.com...]

Clintons filing a RICO suit. Patrick Fitzgerald---Rezco prosecutor.

Stuck-in-CA put it up yesterday in the links.

559 Adina in Judea  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:05:41am

Although I've never been a fan of Rush Limbaugh's until now (not for ideological reasons but because I've never been a political radio fan) - I've turned into a big fan of his online.

Rush puts ALL HIS EFFORTS into the fight rather than second guessing McCain.

I have a subscription on Rush's site and he's doing some incredible work to help get the message out there about who and what Obama is.

Kristol could contact McCain personally if he had something to say.

We've got to help McCain/Palin with everything we've got. The country needs our help in this desperately. Obama is a dangerous guy who would have too much of the checks and balances on his side if he got in. He could damage America for generations. We need to work together to stop him.

The stock market falls when Obama looks like he's going to win, but seems to do some recovering every time McCain seems to recover. This isn't an accident. They know what Obama would do to this country, too.

Thank you.

/I'm leaving for the Jewish holiday of Succot. Chag Semeach!

560 notutopia  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:06:54am

re: #488 lawhawk

Can you say Zimbabwa ?

561 desertbrat  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:09:26am

re: #119 SpartanWoman

The Nobel Prize is a joke. Al Gore, Jimmy Carter. Why not Michael Moore?
Look for Obama to win it if he rids the world of a certain "festering sore"


And let us not forget that Arafat also won the (un)Noble Prize!

562 joncelli  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:11:23am

Market up 532.77 at 8983.94.

563 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:12:32am
564 joncelli  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:13:10am

re: #432 Killgore Trout

Really? Where is he?

565 Dizzy26  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:13:22am

Go Dodgers!

566 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:13:42am

re: #452 ploome hineni

we should go to the Obama speech and start chanting USA, USA

lol

see what happens

Ploome, It would probably look and sound something like this!

567 joncelli  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:15:17am

re: #449 HippieforLife

With a Democratic majority in both houses, he can give it a try. And then we get to deal with the consequences when it all fails.

568 HDrepub  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:17:31am

re: #326 MandyManners

I live in a semi-rural area in fly-over territory but, I've yet to speak to a single person who didn't know who and what Ayers was and is. Funny how we hicks are more informed than those Manhattanites.

Yup you got it Mandy. I might not have a Phd in veterinary medicine but I do know a horse's ass when I smell one. Ayers has that gamy smell. So does his wifey.

spins the cylinder on the revolver he clings

569 quickjustice  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:18:01am

Uh, Bill- it's a little late for another "dramatic" gesture. McCain's goose is cooked, barring a clarity of message distinguishing him from Obama of which he has proven incapable thus far.

570 quickredfox  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:18:34am

re: #534 godfrey

Obama/Biden
+ Pelosi/Reid

No wonder Lefties are in such a rage. They're so close to One Party Rule, they can almost taste it. Who dares take this Moment away from them? Kill them! Kill them!

Etc.

As one of the Ayers supporters says on Ayers' blog:

"And finally, don’t for a second think this generation is finished with the assignments given it by history. All that is past is prologue. Now we’re finally ready for the main event."

Eek.

571 gymnast  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:19:03am

Not all ideas are good ideas and Bill Kristol has had more than a few bad ideas. If John McCain chooses to fight for a win, he may come out on top, if the Media allows it. Bill Kristol is media.

572 gymnast  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:21:55am

re: #569 quickjustice

Uh, Bill- it's a little late for another "dramatic" gesture. McCain's goose is cooked, barring a clarity of message distinguishing him from Obama of which he has proven incapable thus far.

The media is the message and it has the power to determine who is heard and what is heard and what is not heard.

573 desertbrat  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:22:19am

re: #507 Killgore Trout

I couldn't hear well enough to tell what she was yelling. I hope it wasn't anything too embarrassing. I'd prefer we leave causing disrupting speeches to the LLL. It always looks bad.

It was probably an Obamoby. They see how much media coverage they get to "expose" the "hateful rhetoric at the McCain rallies".

574 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:24:52am

re: #562 joncelli

Market up 532.77 at 8983.94.

Whoops. Should have done my IRA contribution on Friday.

575 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:29:53am

re: #511 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Another misguided idea (or is it a trap) from Obama: allow people to withdraw up to 15% of their IRA or 401k without penalty "to tide them over."

Thereby further discouraging saving and depleting retirement accounts, making us dependent on government when we are older.

Bingo

576 EmeraldLakeEyes  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:34:47am

re: #508 razorbacker

Now that is really funny!

577 West Coast Freedom  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:36:01am

re: #37 Cognito

If there were any justice in the world, Nouriel Roubini would have won the Nobel for economics.

From the New York Times, and please note the date:

Ding!

578 desertbrat  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:37:00am

re: #573 desertbrat

It was probably an Obamoby. They see how much media coverage they get to "expose" the "hateful rhetoric at the McCain rallies".

I meant to add : ...and now at Obama's rallies"

579 Tamron  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:40:31am

re: #550 odinga

Our Constitution and Bill of Rights did not protect us from 911. Our Constitution and Bill of Rights do not seem to protect us from the rampant election fraud that is publicly being perpetrated by ACORN right under our very noses.

Our Constitution and Bill of Rights are not protecting us from the blatant spin and DISINFORMATION that the MSM call news.

Election fraud and the MSM selecting candidates and controlling debates are anathema to DEMOCRACY. WAKE UP. Obama will be a disaster for the American Dream.


Here's a video interview of Yuri Bezmenov, a KGB Defector who tells of a long-term plan to sabotage the American Dream. Definitely parallels today's current scene.
.

580 Tamron  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:59:48am

re: #415 MandyManners

And, would you rather have the sheriff or USS show up at your door to question you for exercising your First Amendment right?


ROGUE AGENCY ARRESTS STAY-AT-HOME UTAH MOM.

How can they get away with this?
.

581 Globular Cluster  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:19:23pm

Terrible advice from Kristol. McCain needs to expose the Democrat's culpability in the Fannie/Freddie side of the meltdown. He then needs to expose Obama's numerous associates. During this time, he should stop doing townhalls and instead just give speeches. Q & A with the audience just sets him up to be embarrassed by morons. Townhalls suck unless the questions are pre-screened.

582 donna quixote  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:48:31pm

Kristol has been a supporter of McCain since the Bush/Gore campaign. Unfortunately, our constitution will not save us from Obama or even a democrat congress. Too many voters get their education from the late night television shows and shows like Oprah and The View. I don't know how many are too young to remember events like Vietnam and various other wars, the Russian missile confrontation, and racial events of the 60s. History isn't taught much anymore and even good students have no knowledge of many important issues and not all voters were 'good students'. If Obama is elected, the Republicans should try to unite and demand more history in the schools or somewhere...maybe a history blog or comic book or whatever has appeal to people out there.

583 zato  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:49:03pm

re: #561 desertbrat

And let us not forget that Arafat also won the (un)Noble Prize!

And Gandhi never made the cut...

584 BBEV  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:56:13pm

re: #580 Tamron

ROGUE AGENCY ARRESTS STAY-AT-HOME UTAH MOM.

How can they get away with this?
.

Wow I can not believe this is happening in the United States

585 Joan  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:36:27pm

re: #65 SpartanWoman

Hitchen's doesn't think Obama will "capitulate"? They will merely call it something else like "ritual sacrifice of the zionists" How does Hitchens explain Khalidi and Odinga?

I don't think Hitchens is comfortable aligning with the Right, his vigorous dissent from pacifism led him to cross the great divide. I think he will aways be most at home with the Left. Irascible, rude integrity caused him to deviate and become a non-person. The Left won't fully admit him back home again, and he really cannot stomach Rightwing/pietistic/brawny populism, and seems allergic to conservative intellectualism. Though he'd not thank me for it, I salute him for speaking the truth when it was needed, for deploying his wit and reputation in defense of the West. I refrain from the "God bless him" he so detests, and commend him to the positive energy of all who admire freedom of thought. He is a worthy custodian of Orwell's memory.

586 ljmw  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:42:47pm

Does anyone here have any sway with the McCain campaign?

Today I heard someone ask a question for Obama that I think could have the potential of turning the election around.

The question is:

"Would you, Barrack Obama have kicked off a campaign or sat on a board with an unrepentant abortion clinic bomber?

Whatever his answer or non answer, even if he was Socrates, I don't think he could win on that point.

Several of those swing states are very pro-life.

McCain needs to ask the question.

587 Joan  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:47:37pm

re: #102 J.S.

Hitchens is the ultimate jackass -- always has been, always will be.

:-)

heh. Pithy. Very pithy.

588 zimriel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 4:25:30pm

McCain should restrict himself to anodyne speeches in safe venues.

Palin should be running the campaign in her own way.

589 Mark1957  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 5:47:26pm

Guys like Kristol, Frum, et. al. are the best reasons for moving the national capital to, oh say, Kansas. These overcredentialed fools have spent so much time inside the Beltway, talking to all the "smart people," analyzing the same stupid polls, and attending all the right cocktail parties, that they'd sooner chew glass than move to a place where they'd actually have to rub elbows with tough, shrewd, no-nonsense farmers who drink their coffee black and have dirt under their fingernails. In other words, "Palin Country."

This is my definition of a perfect national capital:

"A place where smart-ass legislators and lobbyists in their right minds would leave every chance they got."

590 RoseSpice  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:55:08pm

Too bad it wouldn't be as easy to change McCain's NATURE and CHARACTER and political values as easily as anyone could change a campaign STAFF.

The STAFF isn't the problem, guys, dream that it is all you like, Bill Kristol.
McCain's true nature reflected in McCain Kennedy Shamnesty, and his RECENT promises to sign a comprehensive immigration reform bill - IN SPANISH, THROUGH UNIVISION, to MEXICO and all points South, via his HIGH-RANKING RECONQUISTA connections...

That is something everyone has tried to change FOR him - without success.

Besides, he already ordered me to NOT vote for him, remember how he bragged about THAT?

HIM, not his STAFF, HIM PERSONALLY. Right to my face!

I remember that, today, I will remember on Election Day, too!

591 LynnfromNZ  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:43:34pm

hard to believe america's already gotten to the point that whoever the Media wants to win wins. They wanted Hillary until they wanted obama and you saw the resutl. they wanted Mccain from the republicans all along, so he won. Now they want obama to win the election. just like in the ussr.

592 Dr. Mabuse  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:20:50am

#591 - It's not a new phenomenon, just becoming perfected. In 1907, G.K. Chesterton wrote that "at present it is not we that silence the Press; it is the Press that silences us. It is not a case of the Commonwealth settling how much the editors shall say; it is a case of the editors settling how much the Commonwealth shall know. If we attack the Press we shall be rebelling, not repressing."

He also said,

"The old editor used dimly to regard himself as an unofficial public servant for the transmitting of public news. If he suppressed anything, he was supposed to have some special reason for doing so; as that the material was actually libellous or literally indecent. But the modern editor regards himself far too much as a kind of original artist, who can select and suppress facts with the arbitrary ease of a poet or a caricaturist. He "makes up" the paper as man "makes up" a fairy tale, he considers his newspaper solely as a work of art, meant to give pleasure, not to give news. He puts in this one letter because he thinks it clever. He puts in these three or four letters because he thinks them silly. He suppresses this article because he thinks it wrong. He suppresses the other and more dangerous article because he thinks it right. The old idea that he is simply a mode of the expression of the public, as an "organ" of opinion, seems to have entirely vanished from his mind. To-day the editor is not only the organ, but the man who plays on the organ. For in all our modern movements we move away from Democracy.

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