Did another thread show up for a minute, then disappear?

Why doesn't he just say, "Hi, I'm gonna play Robin Hood. If you've got a job, you're doomed. Cough it up!"

At least it would be honest.

And yes, I did delete the previous post, if you were wondering what happened to it. I was mistaken about the flag; sorry for the false alarm.

Huh? redesigns the US flag?

If only you could make some other things disappear the way that momentary post did...

9,000 is good. Just hope it closes up today and continues the trend.

Charles: Do mean to suggest some connection between Barack Obama’s speech on the economy and the Dow index going above 9,000?

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I don't know. If so, I missed it.

I'm not hallucinating at the moment, either.

No sign of an Obama flag, but you can see his Iraq and Afghanisan Battle Flag here

re: #4 rightside

Huh? redesigns the US flag?

No. Ohio Flag.

Why do I have the feeling Obama is in the precarious position of wishing the markets would stay down?

It's a double irony, really, because he's benefiting from mass ignorance at the moment. It's his own party -- to a great extent -- that led our economy to this dark place.

People have got to listen to him. He completely absolves the people of any responsibility. Yeah, freeze foreclosures for 90 days. Bold!//

Ahh, no wonder. I was going to say, "Awww, dats it!"

Excellent reaction time, good job Charles!

I knew 0bama knew how to speak on theft. What is this economics you're talking about?
/

Didn't hear it, but let me guess:

Tax break for 95% of Americans. Raise spending by gagillions of dollars.

re: #2 Dianna

Why doesn't he just say, "Hi, I'm gonna play Robin Hood. If you've got a job, you're doomed. Cough it up!"

At least it would be honest.

Biden has said repeatedly Patriotism is paying more taxes.

re: #3 Charles

And yes, I did delete the previous post, if you were wondering what happened to it. I was mistaken about the flag; sorry for the false alarm.

I thought the same thing Charles ......

A freeze on foreclosures? Free houses for everybody! Stop paying your mortgage now! Yippeeee!

I actually heard a spot on TV where he was talking to someone in Ohio, a small business person and explaining that yes he would be raising taxes on the "wealthy", but it would be fairer to everyone else to pass around the wealth.

Another misguided idea (or is it a trap) from Obama: allow people to withdraw up to 15% of their IRA or 401k without penalty "to tide them over."

Thereby further discouraging saving and depleting retirement accounts, making us dependent on government when we are older.

And a 3-month moratorium on foreclosures? Robin Hood.

The money quote from the socialist: "We can't have a sound economy with a dysfunctional financial system."

re: #2 Dianna

If you've got a job, you're doomed.

...or a business...

BHO's hair is gonna' be as silver as his tongue by Nov. 4.

re: #2 Dianna

Why doesn't he just say, "Hi, I'm gonna play Robin Hood. If you've got a job, you're doomed. Cough it up!"

At least it would be honest.

I guess that's what he means by "Change!".

What have they done to me that I automatically think that some "advisor" said, "Let's wait until it's going up, so when you speak it will look like the market agrees with you...."

re: #22 buzzsawmonkey

Leftists constantly say that dissent is the highest form of patriotism.

I look forward to being a superpatriot, in leftist terms, should Obama win the election.

It is only patriotic when the Leftoids dissent. For anyone else it is treason.

I see cash only and bartering in a big way in my future ......... my biz pays enough taxes .........

re: #2 Dianna

Why doesn't he just say, "Hi, I'm gonna play Robin Hood. If you've got a job, you're doomed. Cough it up!"

At least it would be honest.

So true. The One begins: 'let me explain the concept of income wealth re-distribution to you - it is a novel concept. Many nations have used it including my former country, Kenya..."

Obama explains his plan Spread the wealth around

re: #19 Killgore Trout

A freeze on foreclosures? Free houses for everybody! Stop paying your mortgage now! Yippeeee!

I made my fucking mortgage payment an hour ago. Think I can go to the bank and get it back?

I guess after Obama speech Dow would go under 9000

re: #24 MandyManners

BHO's hair is gonna' be as silver as his tongue by Nov. 4.

His hair is even more silver now?

re: #21 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Another misguided idea (or is it a trap) from Obama: allow people to withdraw up to 15% of their IRA or 401k without penalty "to tide them over."

Thereby further discouraging saving and depleting retirement accounts, making us dependent on government when we are older.

And a 3-month moratorium on foreclosures? Robin Hood.

The money quote from the socialist: "We can't have a sound economy with a dysfunctional financial system."

Yes, and the best remedy for a dysfunctional financial system is to hand it over to the government......that is priceless

He's still talking about taking out more sketchy loans.

re: #22 buzzsawmonkey

Leftists constantly say that dissent is the highest form of patriotism.

I look forward to being a superpatriot, in leftist terms, should Obama win the election.

I was thinking about that future hypocrisy yesterday. 8 years of dissent is the highest form of patriotism... Obama elected... Dissent is illegal.

Makes one's head spin... but not surprising.

A small business rescue fund - loans to small businesses. Now he's in the loan sharking business?

This guy has a slice of pie for everybody.

re: #28 JacksonTn

I see cash only and bartering in a big way in my future ......... my biz pays enough taxes .........

Now that's a plan you can take to the mattress!
;)

Must read piece on the BS Obama tax decreases from the Wall Street Journal:

[Link: www.wsj.com...]

re: #17 FurryOldGuyJeans

Biden has said repeatedly Patriotism is paying more taxes.

Its also been proven that leftists have no qualms about cheating on their taxes. A few different studies have shown that,

re: #24 MandyManners

BHO's hair is gonna' be as silver as his tongue by Nov. 4.

Funny how Plugs is gettin younger and BHO older

re: #35 buzzsawmonkey

In Obamamerica, the 'hood robs you!

What a country!

re: #4 rightside

What happened to this story?

We can't wait to have you all be socialists!

Obama has no regard for business decisions by anyone or contract law. He wants to engage in a 90 day moratorium on foreclosures.

Where in the Constitution is there a right for the government to interfere in contracts on such a basis as that?

There isn't - though I'm sure some intrepid scholar will point to Art 1, Sec. 8, Cl 18 as the source...

The problem here is that foreclosures are a way of dealing with people who could not afford the homes they're in. Banks want to unload the homes but need to find someone who can afford to pay for them. That means that those homes will necessarily become more affordable for those who have the means to pay for them.

Foreclosures can be good for buyers (witness people lining up for buying foreclosed properties). Obama is pandering to a few people who made bad business decisions for themselves; despite the soaring number of foreclosures, the total number is a fraction of overall homeownership.

"Rescie plan for main street" What a bunch of BS.

re: #44 newdad49

What happened to this story?

nothing. forget it ever existed.

Unicorns all around, one for everyone, on the house of course!

(as he hands the bill from Unicorns-R-Us to all of us "rich" taxpayers)

re: #41 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Its also been proven that leftists have no qualms about cheating on their taxes. A few different studies have shown that,

Leftoids never have done what they demand the rest of us do, follow the rules and play fair.

re: #20 nigella

Yeah - he said he was going to "share the wealth". Of course he was talking about taking that plumber's money and giving it to someone else. Kind of a politically correct mugging.

Wait, hasn't McCain been saying the same thing about gov't programs?

Malaise. Where's the cardigan?

re: #50 Desert Dog

Unicorns all around, one for everyone, on the house of course!

(as he hands the bill from Unicorns-R-Us to all of us "rich" taxpayers)

Wait... I only have one Unicorn... that guy over there has three! GET HIM!

Another stimulus package?

In the years of Rome's decline, emperors often bought off the masses with free money and grain. I'm really been reminded of that this year, and with Obama's income-redistribution (I refuse to say tax) plan.

re: #47 lawhawk

I think this will also create another run on banks and insurance companies. Not only did they issue bad loans but then they can't foreclose and get the collateral back. I really think this will sink more banks.

re: #52 legalpad

Yeah - he said he was going to "share the wealth". Of course he was talking about taking that plumber's money and giving it to someone else. Kind of a politically correct mugging.

While enabling the redistributors to retain a significant chunk as a fee for all the hard work.

re: #52 legalpad

Yeah - he said he was going to "share the wealth". Of course he was talking about taking that plumber's money and giving it to someone else. Kind of a politically correct mugging.

But a mugging by any name.

Is he talking polissah about the economah?

re: #55 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Some people are more equal than others and are allowed more than one Unicorn.....you know, party members, upright walking house pigs, etc...

So now we can justify those bad mortgages by pointing out that these good people are entitled to be homeowners, sort of like Health Insurance, it is a right after all - we are about to come full circle. But that is Liberlism for you. It does not matter how much you screw something up, as long as you were trying to do the right thing. Oh, and that you feel bad.

re: #31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Stop payment on the check, if that's how you paid.

Do not mention the missing post/

Wasn't he just talking about more easy loans just a few seconds ago?

re: #50 Desert Dog

Unicorns all around, one for everyone, on the house of course!

(as he hands the bill from Unicorns-R-Us to all of us "rich" taxpayers)

Thought one needed certain qualifications to ride a unicorn?

#7 Lawrence wrote.

Charles: Do mean to suggest some connection between Barack Obama’s speech on the economy and the Dow index going above 9,000?

No, but thats exactly the way CNN and the rest of the Obamedia will spin it. Headline tomorrow?

"Stocks Soar as Wall Street Applauds Obama's Economic Plan"

Well, I guess next Obama will say ....... Private houses? ....... we don't need no stinkin private houses .......... free housing for everyone ........

Hey you with the big house over there .......... I think you can fit a few of my little friends in there .......Comrade Obama .........

Common sense regulations to ensure a crisis like this never happens again?
Yes, I agree. Let's start with my favorite words from the Bill of Rights: "Congress shall make no law"

re: #69 RaiderDan

That would be funny if it weren't true.

File this under "media bias? What media bias"

On the home page of the very liberal Minneapolis Star-Tribune:

[Link: www.startribune.com...]

Opinion Exchange: Do McCain-Palin rallies cross the line?
Despite Sen. John McCain's effort to restrain some of the rhetoric, his campaign rallies strike some observers as catering to hatred. Do you think the McCain-Palin campaign is appealing to intolerance? Go to startribune.com/opinion and join the discussion.

re: #61 opnion

Is that obamaspeak?

re: #69 RaiderDan

#7 Lawrence wrote.

No, but thats exactly the way CNN and the rest of the Obamedia will spin it. Headline tomorrow?

"Stocks Soar as Wall Street Applauds Obama's Economic Plan"

I am going to be sick

re: #38 Who Watches the Watchmen?

A small business rescue fund - loans to small businesses. Now he's in the loan sharking business?

This guy has a slice of pie for everybody.

He makes it sound like these are your neighborhood pie shops that are going to get a tax break. These are multi-million dollar businesses that employ millions of people that are going to their asses kicked with new taxes. The WSJ had a great editorial today on this issue.

Rush just said that he will take credit ofteh 9000 Dow and that PRes Bush has added troops Afghan and it is working. That's Obama's Idea, Oby will say and W is following it.
As far as hair,I think he is already coloring it. Cig Smoking really takes a toll on Hair.

I can't hear this, but based on what the Lizards are saying, I'm guessing 0bama is working hard at ensuring the businessman vote goes to McCain?

re: #69 RaiderDan

Find out which way the mob is running, get out in front.

Leadership.

Some crazy lady is yelling again.

SO, Obamessiah gets in first with the half-hour major policy speech on the economy that I prayed for Mac/Palin to get on the stick and deliver....

re: #69 RaiderDan

#7 Lawrence wrote.

No, but thats exactly the way CNN and the rest of the Obamedia will spin it. Headline tomorrow?

"Stocks Soar as Wall Street Applauds Obama's Economic Plan"

Just on a purely technical note: DJIA is pulling back slightly, going below 9,000, now that The Messiah is speaking.

re: #62 Desert Dog

Some people are more equal than others and are allowed more than one Unicorn.....you know, party members, upright walking house pigs, etc...

I demand a Unicorn Redistribution Act!

Share the wealth. Level the playing field. Blah, blah... schtick ran out. :-)

re: #16 Ford_Prefect

Didn't hear it, but let me guess:

Tax break for 95% of Americans. Raise spending by gagillions of dollars.

Here we go: the desired impossible meets the inevitable, disastrous possible.

Guess which people will vote for, unless they actually think about it?

re: #38 Who Watches the Watchmen?

A small business rescue fund - loans to small businesses. Now he's in the loan sharking business?

This guy has a slice of pie for everybody.

Umm, how about not screwing the small business owners over in the first place, so they don't need the loans? Is that a new concept, Obamajebus?

re: #76 JohnAdams

He makes it sound like these are your neighborhood pie shops that are going to get a tax break. These are multi-million dollar businesses that employ millions of people that are going to their asses kicked with new taxes. The WSJ had a great editorial today on this issue.

Rush is disecting his plan. You are correct

re: #52 legalpad

Yeah - he said he was going to "share the wealth". Of course he was talking about taking that plumber's money and giving it to someone else. Kind of a politically correct mugging.

Probably the first time he ever had to look in the eye of the regular Joe he is going to rip off.

re: #73 Dave the.....

File this under "media bias? What media bias"

On the home page of the very liberal Minneapolis Star-Tribune:

[Link: www.startribune.com...]

Opinion Exchange: Do McCain-Palin rallies cross the line?
Despite Sen. John McCain's effort to restrain some of the rhetoric, his campaign rallies strike some observers as catering to hatred. Do you think the McCain-Palin campaign is appealing to intolerance? Go to startribune.com/opinion and join the discussion.

We should all go to the site and post a link to Michelle Malkin's list of liberal bad behavior.

re: #69 RaiderDan

See my #26.

I thought something similar.

I am not a big fan of Wikipedia, but this one is actually good:

The Redistribution of Wealth

The transfer of wealth can occur in various ways. Some methods for transferring wealth are voluntary transfers from those who have it to those who do not. Other methods involve forcibly removing the wealth from those who have it and redistributing it to those who do not.

Several political systems are designed to redistribute wealth including Communism, Socialism, and Welfare Capitalism.

Voluntary transfer of wealth

Charity is a common method of shifting wealth from those who have it to those who do not.

Forced transfer of wealth

Some methods for this are: welfare, slavery, taxation, inflation, devaluation, government policies, or theft

re: #57 arethusa

You've got it! The phrase from Juvenal was:

Bread and Circuses

Scary huh.

re: #60 Who Watches the Watchmen?

But a mugging by any name.

The plumber shook Obama's hand but had a sort of "You've got to be kidding" look on his face.

re: #82 FurryOldGuyJeans

That's because they're listening to a plan for disaster.

Kiss the rally good-bye.

Embrace the suck, folks.

Obama's tax cut illusion. Spot on.

Required reading.

re: #38 Who Watches the Watchmen?

A small business rescue fund - loans to small businesses. Now he's in the loan sharking business?

This guy has a slice of pie for everybody.

Small businesses will need loans after they're taxed to pieces.

I think economists are going to freak out about Obama's mortgage freeze. I wonder if the MSM will report it. If they do, I wonder if the public will care.

re: #33 arethusa

His hair is even more silver now?

Yep.

If McCain had a tenth of Obama's stump-speech skill, this wouldn't even be a contest.

re: #12 HippieforLife

PERSONAL responsibility will make the country work.

Come on, say it Barry.

"Men, stay with your families", etc.

I don't want another loan asshole ......... I want you to stop taxing my business !

re: #81 runrabbitrun

SO, Obamessiah gets in first with the half-hour major policy speech on the economy that I prayed for Mac/Palin to get on the stick and deliver....

Hopefully this way McCain can use part of his speech on the economy to attack Obama's plan?

re: #74 rightside

Is that obamaspeak?

Yeah, have you noticed that he pronounces words that end in Y as ending in AH? Really annoying

re: #87 JohnAdams

If he's in range, say, "In a pig's eye!"

About these "tax cuts for 95% of working Americans" (ahem, refundible tax credits for those who pay little to no federal taxes), who's to say that once The One gets into office, he'll say something along the lines of "I tried really, really hard to give you that "tax cut", but I just can't - due to Bush's 8-years of bad policies"?

re: #99 Cognito

Also McCain failed to adjust his plan to account for the economic crisis. At least Obama came out with something new today and that will play in his favor.

re: #88 arethusa

We should all go to the site and post a link to Michelle Malkin's list of liberal bad behavior.

Does she have the photo of those Philly moonbats wearing shirts that say "Sarah Palin is a C*!t" ?

9000 Dow. . .at least that suggests the bleeding is stopping. I'll feel a little better when we get back to 10,000.

Don't forget that Friday is options expiration day, and the markets will probably act crazy as lots of buyers/sellers deal with previously unexpected assignments.

There's something telling about his exit theme: "Signed, Sealed, Delivered."

re: #100 taxfreekiller

Next ACORN will have a key to your front door.

That door is no longer yours, Comrade, it is just one of millions that belongs to the "people". So, stand aside exploitative capitalist bourgeoisie person!

We have absolutely no idea what Obama will do as president.

Everything he is promising now is just an attempt to buy votes in swing states.

And if the Obama presidency is as big a catastrophe as I think it will be, I hope people will remember how badly the press failed them in 2008.

re: #19 Killgore Trout

A freeze on foreclosures? Free houses for everybody! Stop paying your mortgage now! Yippeeee!

But I'm RENTING!
DISCRIMINATION!
I demand equal kick-back!
BIG HOMEOWNERS ARE RIPPING ME OFF!

/

re: #56 buzzsawmonkey

Level the playing field; then build a government dispensary on the ruins.

egads - the socialist is scary.

What speech? What did he say?

re: #107 Killgore Trout

Also McCain failed to adjust his plan to account for the economic crisis. At least Obama came out with something new today and that will play in his favor.

True. Sometimes "I don't know, yet" is the most honest answer. But maybe not the winning one.

re: #109 looking closely

I think some of the banks are putting out their earnings reports later this week so we're still in for some rough patches.

re: #106 mitthrawnurdo

About these "tax cuts for 95% of working Americans" (ahem, refundible tax credits for those who pay little to no federal taxes), who's to say that once The One gets into office, he'll say something along the lines of "I tried really, really hard to give you that "tax cut", but I just can't - due to Bush's 8-years of bad policies"?

He already laid the ground work for that by saying Bush dug a deep hole with his bad policies.

re: #108 JohnAdams

Does she have the photo of those Philly moonbats wearing shirts that say "Sarah Palin is a C*!t" ?

No...don't suppose anyone has a link, not that it's something I really want to see.

*heads off to the Strib*

Question: The University Hospital got an earmark from Obama and that is where Obys wife Michelle works. Michelle the terror got a raise to $300,000.iirc. Does she have to pay more taxes on her income because it is over $250K? does Obama, with the income from his $1.4 million? and Senate Salary pay more taxes.
Will Warrent buffet the old donk windbag pay more taxes
Or will this period of time be "Obama'sFarm'? To wit: All pigs are equal, but some pigs are more equal than others?

re: #98 MandyManners

Yep.

Do you think that Obamas greying hair is just the natural maturation process, or dyed to give him gravitas?

re: #95 godfrey

Obama's tax cut illusion. Spot on.

Required reading.

Saw that earlier today. Finally people are starting to draw a white line around this "plan."

re: #100 taxfreekiller

Next ACORN will have a key to your front door.

Fortunately, I am armed.

re: #121 opnion

Do you think that Obamas greying hair is just the natural maturation process, or dyed to give him gravitas?

It's dye.

Let me guess.

My money is really unjustified gains that are better stolen and controlled by the Government so that they can be given to others who didn't earn it.

The Government has a right to decide what is "too much" money to work for and earn.

The Government has a right to take money out of a citizens pocket if they want to redistribute it.

The "crash" is all because of deregulation and the Republicans and McCain's economic policies (what? Bush, not McCain has been POTUS for the last 8 years? hmmm) even though Obama was in Senate for the last 2 or so years, and the Congress is Democratically controlled.

We need to eliminate the right to contact as it is unfair to those that make selfish and stupid decisions to overspend.

Although we got into this financial mess by overspending based on emotional wants causing people to spend money they didn't have to, during this financial crisis, and an expensive War (with two present fronts) the Government should get into at least 6 more spending situations.

re: #3 Charles

And yes, I did delete the previous post, if you were wondering what happened to it. I was mistaken about the flag; sorry for the false alarm.

Damn, that was quick. So quick, I didn't see the thread. Charles, you've gotten a lot better at keeping these bad threads off of LGF. I can't remember the last time one was zapped.

If they make a mistake, I don't want them

punished with a mortgage.

re: #113 pre-Boomer Marine brat

But I'm RENTING!

Sucker! You better get a subprime loan before the election. You can have a 3 month long free vacation in a really cool mansion in Hawaii. I'd suggest something on the beach with a pool.

re: #123 Dianna

Fortunately, I am armed.

Not for long!

re: #96 MandyManners

Small businesses will need loans after they're taxed to pieces.

Some guy on Rush said: "So am I going to get a tax credit on my tax increase?"

re: #106 mitthrawnurdo

And if you make $42,000 or more, you are soooooo out of luck!

re: #121 opnion

Do you think that Obamas greying hair is just the natural maturation process, or dyed to give him gravitas?

For whatever reason, I read that at first as "natural mutation process." o.O

re: #27 FurryOldGuyJeans

It is only patriotic when the Leftoids dissent. For anyone else it is treason.

Lib idiots were shocked, SHOCKED I tell ya, that McCain supporters would march in Manhattan!

You can't trust Obama on taxes.

From the tax professor:

"One of Barack Obama's most potent campaign claims is that he'll cut taxes for no less than 95% of "working families." He's even promising to cut taxes enough that the government's tax share of GDP will be no more than 18.2% -- which is lower than it is today.

It's a clever pitch, because it lets him pose as a middle-class tax cutter while disguising that he's also proposing one of the largest tax increases ever on the other 5%. But how does he conjure this miracle, especially since more than a third of all Americans already pay no income taxes at all? There are several sleights of hand, but the most creative is to redefine the meaning of "tax cut."

For the Obama Democrats, a tax cut is no longer letting you keep more of what you earn. In their lexicon, a tax cut includes tens of billions of dollars in government handouts that are disguised by the phrase "tax credit." Mr. Obama is proposing to create or expand no fewer than seven such credits for individuals:

- A $500 tax credit ($1,000 a couple) to "make work pay" that phases out at income of $75,000 for individuals and $150,000 per couple.

- A $4,000 tax credit for college tuition.

- A 10% mortgage interest tax credit (on top of the existing mortgage interest deduction and other housing subsidies).

- A "savings" tax credit of 50% up to $1,000.

- An expansion of the earned-income tax credit that would allow single workers to receive as much as $555 a year, up from $175 now, and give these workers up to $1,110 if they are paying child support.

- A child care credit of 50% up to $6,000 of expenses a year.

- A "clean car" tax credit of up to $7,000 on the purchase of certain vehicles.

Here's the political catch. All but the clean car credit would be "refundable," which is Washington-speak for the fact that you can receive these checks even if you have no income-tax liability. In other words, they are an income transfer -- a federal check -- from taxpayers to nontaxpayers. Once upon a time we called this "welfare," or in George McGovern's 1972 campaign a "Demogrant." Mr. Obama's genius is to call it a tax cut.

The Tax Foundation estimates that under the Obama plan 63 million Americans, or 44% of all tax filers, would have no income tax liability and most of those would get a check from the IRS each year. The Heritage Foundation's Center for Data Analysis estimates that by 2011, under the Obama plan, an additional 10 million filers would pay zero taxes while cashing checks from the IRS."

Obama is Mardi Gras King. Cough it up, lizards!

re: #124 MandyManners

It's dye.

Sounds like a Reagan slam in reverse.

re: #118 FurryOldGuyJeans

And people will buy it.

re: #107 Killgore Trout

What's new about it? It's Robin Hood economics, same as before!

re: #130 JohnAdams

Some guy on Rush said: "So am I going to get a tax credit on my tax increase?"

My head's spinning.

re: #10 jwb7605

No. Ohio Flag.

Cool-looking flag, BTW.

re: #124 MandyManners

It's dye.

Obama has gray hair now?

oh please.

re: #132 Fat Jolly Penguin

For whatever reason, I read that at first as "natural mutation process." o.O

Intelligent design thread !

BBL

re: #112 kingkenrod

I agree, he is like Slick Willie on steriods. Santa Claus to everyone loaded up with promises he cannot keep. Nobody in that audience seems to care, too. Anyone with a slight level of intelligence knows he cannot do all he is saying. But, they are all singing "Signed, Sealed, Delivered" with a grin.

re: #111 Desert Dog

It's happened before:

Dr. Zhivago - The Private Life is Dead

Sad.

re: #123 Dianna

Fortunately, I am armed.

Y' wouldn't happen to have a spare "Chicago piano" layin' around, would ya'?

/angling for a Valentine's Day present from Dianna

/... uh ... maybe I should re-phrase that

re: #117 Killgore Trout

I think some of the banks are putting out their earnings reports later this week so we're still in for some rough patches.

There will be a number of earnings reports out over the next few weeks.

Though the banks may be doing poorly, I think non-catastrophic earnings reports from many other sectors could have a soothing effect.

The media isn't even trying to hide its bias here: Liberal media rejoice: Krugman wins Nobel.

...spreading the wealth around. What BS. More like, "Spreading everyone else's wealth around."

re: #123 Dianna

Fortunately, I am armed.

Change!

re: #135 FurryOldGuyJeans

Sounds like a Reagan slam in reverse.

The man-child!

Opportunistic timing, with the EU bailout announced and the "No more banks will be allowed to fail" call by most governments the market will recover.

Remember that after a dive like we just had the markets in the past 50 years have always recovered over 60 percent of the lost value within 9 months.

re: #120 big L

Or will this period of time be "Obama'sFarm'? To wit: All pigs are equal, but some pigs are more equal than others?

I ain't gonna work on Oby's farm no more.

re: #136 mitthrawnurdo

And people will buy it.

A good chunk have for the past 8 years so the Left knows it works.

re: #99 Cognito

If McCain had a tenth of Obama's stump-speech skill, this wouldn't even be a contest.

Here's what's odd: a good debate and speech coach could get an eighth grader to improve his delivery and style to at least 75% of Obama's natural ability (notice how much Hillary gained in the primaries after her work with p.r. advisors).

I can't help but wonder if it's McCain's natural ability for stubbornness which has prevented him from upgrading his advantage.

re: #140 FrogMarch

Obama has gray hair now?

oh please.

Not completely. I first noticed his silvering about eight-six weeks ago. It's just like he is: progressive.

re: #124 MandyManners

It's dye.

"Just For Young Men Who Want To Be Old Men"?

/where's keith hernandez and walt frazier?

re: #128 Killgore Trout

Sucker! You better get a subprime loan before the election. You can have a 3 month long free vacation in a really cool mansion in Hawaii. I'd suggest something on the beach with a pool.

*chuckle*

re: #146 lawhawk

The media isn't even trying to hide its bias here: Liberal media rejoice: Krugman wins Nobel.

Yes, Chairman Mao was still dead, so he was illegible...

re: #92 subsailor68

You've got it! The phrase from Juvenal was:

Bread and Circuses

Scary huh.

Not this Bread and Circuses? Dang.

Does anybody here remember Vera Baker?
Remember how she said that
We would meet again
Some sunny day
Vera! Vera!
What has become of you
Does anybody else in here
Feel the way I do ?

Bring the boys back home!

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."

-C.S. Lewis

re: #120 big L

Question: The University Hospital got an earmark from Obama and that is where Obys wife Michelle works. Michelle the terror got a raise to $300,000.iirc. Does she have to pay more taxes on her income because it is over $250K? does Obama, with the income from his $1.4 million? and Senate Salary pay more taxes.
Will Warrent buffet the old donk windbag pay more taxes
Or will this period of time be "Obama'sFarm'? To wit: All pigs are equal, but some pigs are more equal than others?

Pigs? Haraam. This time, camels.

re: #143 subsailor68

It's happened before:

Dr. Zhivago - The Private Life is Dead

Sad.

My favorite movie ....... I posted that reference yesterday about when he comes home and his house is taken over by comrades ........ the old lady says he didn't need that big of a house ......... OH, YEAH, IT'S COMING ..IF THE ONE IS ELECTED

Tax breaks for 95% of Americans, even if a full quarter don't pay taxes! WOO HOOO!

I hope he tells me to feel better while he's at it - his words are so calming, I almost stop clinging to my guns and religion...

re: #157 Desert Dog

Yes, Chairman Mao was still dead, so he was illegible...

Ummmm, you sure you didn't mean ineligible?

re: #157 Desert Dog

They'd be more honest if they had just laid the prize on Karl Marx's grave.

Stenny Hoyer wants to "Revisit" the lifting of the offshore drilling ban!
These Democratic bastards HAVE to be given the boot.
[Link: republicanleader.house.gov...]

re: #137 Dianna

What scares me is that those under the "rich" line don't see how inequitable this policy is.

The same people who were claiming for the last 8 years that Bush was stealing our rights, are more than happy to allow the Government to willy-nilly decide what amount of money is "too much" then just come in and take it.

Money earned is property...and excessive inequitable taxation is a "Taking" or worse in my opinion.

re: #125 WrathofG-d

Let me guess.

My money is really unjustified gains that are better stolen and controlled by the Government so that they can be given to others who didn't earn it.

The Government has a right to decide what is "too much" money to work for and earn.

The Government has a right to take money out of a citizens pocket if they want to redistribute it.

The "crash" is all because of deregulation and the Republicans and McCain's economic policies (what? Bush, not McCain has been POTUS for the last 8 years? hmmm) even though Obama was in Senate for the last 2 or so years, and the Congress is Democratically controlled.

We need to eliminate the right to contact as it is unfair to those that make selfish and stupid decisions to overspend.

Although we got into this financial mess by overspending based on emotional wants causing people to spend money they didn't have to, during this financial crisis, and an expensive War (with two present fronts) the Government should get into at least 6 more spending situations.

And you're a Hebrew.

re: #164 FurryOldGuyJeans

pimf.....on the phone and posting

re: #157 Desert Dog

Yes, Chairman Mao was still dead, so he was illegible...

And ineligible.

re: #160 Lizard by the Bay

Spot on!

re: #158 Macker

LOL! That works too. :-)

re: #144 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Y' wouldn't happen to have a spare "Chicago piano" layin' around, would ya'?

/angling for a Valentine's Day present from Dianna

/... uh ... maybe I should re-phrase that

How would a box of hollow points, your choice of caliber, do you?

Wow, this economic "plan" of Obama's sounds an awful lot like one of my favorite Presidents......Jimmah Carter. I can hardly wait for 8 dollar gas, plus waiting in line to get it, and oh, those 21% interest rates really bring back fond memories. Maybe because he is so "strong" on defense Iran can keep some our people for an "extended" vacation like they did under Jimmah.

What McCain should say cont...

Is there a reason why McCain is having such a difficult time making the argument that taxing small businesses will kill job growth? It is a well-known fact that the primary creator of jobs in America are the very same businesses which Barack Obama plans to tax (i.e. those generating profits > $250,000). Therefore, it would seem that a very simple argument to make by McCain is simply the following:

“While Senator Obama may not tax you directly, by taxing the small businesses and companies who employ you, you stand to suffer a potentially much worse fate in the form of salary cuts or even worse...the loss of your job altogether. My plan is to make sure that the small businesses and companies who pay your salary, provide health insurance for your families and help fund your 401Ks, are going to have the support they need to compete in today’s difficult economic climate. For Senator Obama to even suggest taxing the small businesses and high-growth companies who your salary and create jobs for this country is not only irresponsible, it’s suicidal.

Therefore, the question you face is simple: Do you want a President who is going to kill job growth by increasing taxes on small business and then hand those monies over to Nancy Pelosi to spend as she, Harry Reid, Barney Frank and the rest of the Democrats see fit? Or do you want a President who is going to do everything I can to make sure you keep your job, increase your salaries and solidifies this country’s standing as the world’s greatest economic superpower? That shouldn’t be a difficult decision to make.”

re: #165 mitthrawnurdo

They'd be more honest if they had just laid the prize on Karl Marx's grave.

Don't be too surprised if that is not under consideration in the near future.

re: #146 lawhawk

I saw that on elevator news, and nearly fainted.

re: #166 taxfreekiller

Can you say more about that? What about 90 day no foreclosure?

re: #167 CapeCoddah

Stenny Hoyer wants to "Revisit" the lifting of the offshore drilling ban!
These Democratic bastards HAVE to be given the boot.
[Link: republicanleader.house.gov...]

Next they'll be supporting an amendment for term limits.

/dogs and cats, living together!

We would not be in the pickle we find ourselves in now had only the SCOTUS not selected Bush or Lurch had won four years later. That new Nobel Prize winner in Economics, Kaul Prugman, would likely have been a top member of either administration and managed to have done the right things to navigate us through the banking morass. Afterall the NY Times political analyst exhibits sheer genius in his international studies and observations, at least that's what fever swamp libs tell me.

/ of course.t

As long as we are getting socialism with Obama, how about this....

The one business - in fact, the only business - I have ever wanted to see socialized is the legal profession. For justice to be blind, I reason, there should be no high priced lawyers who work for the rich opposing mere mortal lawyers who work for the poorer folks. (This thought hit me after the original OJ trial when OJ's team ran circles around the LA DA).

So if you found yourself in legal difficulty or wanted to bring a lawsuit, you would be randomly assigned a lawyer. You would pay a standard rate to a legal pool and that lawyer would work for his standard fee out of the pool.

Of course, this socialism would be awful for good lawyers, but would be a benefit to bad lawyers. It's a really bad idea, but since all the Dem politicians are lawyers I sort of want to do it anyway.

re: #155 Ward Cleaver

"Just For Young Men Who Want To Be Old Men"?

/where's keith hernandez and walt frazier?

He doesn't wanna' be. He just wants to seem.

re: #154 MandyManners

Not completely. I first noticed his silvering about eight-six weeks ago. It's just like he is: progressive.

yea.. mandy..But remember right after you mentioned it ..a week or so went by and his hair was back to normal..I wonder if Barry needs the number of a good stylist..
/ Barack.. John Edwards is on line 2 for you

ok so i am being semi serious now, i am one of the peopel who normally gets a tax refund or at least almost break even, so i will get a 500 check from omabba,, however,, i also work 2 jobs, one of which is an 'Independent contractor" where i have to pay the tax as self employed, and i am always 1/2 a mortage payment behind, have 3 credit cards in collections and am paying on them, behind on propety tax (i have to pay my own- behind on homeowners assoc dues, have two payday loans out, owe my boss and my family money and behind on everthing,, but am TRYING to make it,, today i called in sick to my day job (cuz i have sick pay) i am thinking about doing two things,,
one go try to find a different "part'time" job that will pay as much as the INdependant contractor one AND go down to the credit counsoler place and see if i can file bankrupt, but should i do it now or wait till i see if obama gets elected and then do it?

re: #162 JacksonTn

One of my favorites too...and yes, I do remember that scene very well.

I'd bet it was shot in the housing projects in Chicago. (Not really, but Pasternak sure could have written about them.)

re: #159 Ben Hur

Does anybody here remember Vera Baker?
Remember how she said that
We would meet again
Some sunny day
Vera! Vera!
What has become of you
Does anybody else in here
Feel the way I do ?

Bring the boys back home!

LOL!

re: #164 FurryOldGuyJeans

Ummmm, you sure you didn't mean ineligible?

Dead people write really small.

School Field Trip to Teacher's Lesbian Wedding Sparks Controversy

First-graders in San Francisco took a field trip to City Hall to celebrate the marriage of their lesbian teacher on Friday, but opponents of same-sex marriage in the state say the field trip was an attempt to “indoctrinate” the students, the San Francisco Chronicle reported.

re: #183 DeafDog

The legal profession is already socialized. They are called public defenders.

re: #189 itellu3times

Dead people write really small.

But vote large and repeatedly.

re: #190 Ben Hur

Didn't the kids have to get their parent's permission for the field-trip 1st?

re: #174 Dianna

How would a box of hollow points, your choice of caliber, do you?

uh ... urp ... hand-delivered, or FIRED?

re: #162 JacksonTn

My favorite movie ....... I posted that reference yesterday about when he comes home and his house is taken over by comrades ........ the old lady says he didn't need that big of a house ......... OH, YEAH, IT'S COMING ..IF THE ONE IS ELECTED

I'm glad to know I'm not the only one spooked by all that talk of pie.

re: #168 WrathofG-d

Absolutely. Of course, I couldn't agree more.

But the feeling of resentment, that somehow, someone's getting something and that the "little people" are getting shafted, never goes away. I can never believe the ease with which class envy and hatred get stirred up.

re: #190 Ben Hur

School Field Trip to Teacher's Lesbian Wedding Sparks Controversy

Remember, liberals ridicule Republicans for suggesting that the gay agenda is being forced upon even our youngest of children.

re: #193 WrathofG-d

Didn't the kids have to get their parent's permission for the field-trip 1st?

Parents?

That's sooo 20th Century.

re: #133 victor_yugo

Lib idiots were shocked, SHOCKED I tell ya, that McCain supporters would march in Manhattan!

Oh man Liberals are childish.

re: #160 Lizard by the Bay

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."

-C.S. Lewis

All the lessons learned about socialism from the 20th century have already been forgotten.

It is becoming obvious that one cannot believe a politician's promise, especially the promises of an excretion of the Chicago machine. We are all wasting our time discussing what Obama or McCain say or said. All we have to go on is their past records. Given Obama's shady past, inexperience and association with questionable characters, and given McCain's experience and service to our country it does not leave much room to doubt.

So let's forget what they try to promise. Inspect their past actions and then make up your mind.

re: #179 buzzsawmonkey

Just For Men Reverse Formula™, for that spurious look of distinction.

Oh, that's good.

re: #188 MandyManners

I think he meant Vera Lynn:

Vera Lynn

re: #196 Dianna

Absolutely. Of course, I couldn't agree more.

But the feeling of resentment, that somehow, someone's getting something and that the "little people" are getting shafted, never goes away. I can never believe the ease with which class envy and hatred get stirred up.

Easy when all one party does is constantly stir the pot.

From the previous thread, but worth reposting, IMHO-

re: #452 ploome hineni

we should go to the Obama speech and start chanting USA, USA
lol see what happens

Ploome- it would probably look something like this!

re: #197 Lizard by the Bay

Remember, liberals ridicule Republicans for suggesting that the gay agenda is being forced upon even our youngest of children.

Next time a lib asks you why you won't vote for HIM, answer, "Because he is against gay marriage."

Obama speaking on the economy.

It's like finding a tool box and deciding that you're now a contractor.

I'm not asking for a Titian of Industry, but I'd like someone who has at least a nodding aquaintance with the concept of balancing a budget and meeting a payroll. Only one person in the race meets those criteria, and she's not at the top of the ticket.

re: #185 HoosierHoops

yea.. mandy..But remember right after you mentioned it ..a week or so went by and his hair was back to normal..I wonder if Barry needs the number of a good stylist..
/ Barack.. John Edwards is on line 2 for you

*snicker*

Thankfully our long national nightmare of personal financial responsibility is over. Let's all ride the Obama gravy train into oblivion! Wheeeee!

re: #191 WrathofG-d

The legal profession is already socialized. They are called public defenders.

Right, but those are for folks who can't afford a lawyer. My (bad) idea is to make them all public defenders - no private lawyers at all.

:-)

re: #133 victor_yugo

Crap!

re: #203 subsailor68

I think he meant Vera Lynn:

Vera Lynn

Ummmmmm...Google Vera Baker.

re: #153 runrabbitrun

Here's what's odd: a good debate and speech coach could get an eighth grader to improve his delivery and style to at least 75% of Obama's natural ability (notice how much Hillary gained in the primaries after her work with p.r. advisors).

I can't help but wonder if it's McCain's natural ability for stubbornness which has prevented him from upgrading his advantage.

A good place to start is to cut out the 'My Friends"crap.
Also stop the two thumbs up, it's like an old movie.

re: #190 Ben Hur

School Field Trip to Teacher's Lesbian Wedding Sparks Controversy

And after the wedding, they attended the conception.

What Tommy? Don't you mean, reception, a big room with a lot of people, and food, and dancing?

Oh, I must have been in the wrong room.

Badda-bing.

So OK it doesn't work with a lesbian wedding, one more reason I'm against it.

It's called REPARATIONS, get even with whitey. Listen to Ms Obama, Rev Wright and the rest of the loons around the candidate. Look at Riala Odinga to see what happens when THE ONE loses.

re: #183 DeafDog

As long as we are getting socialism with Obama, how about this....

The one business - in fact, the only business - I have ever wanted to see socialized is the legal profession. For justice to be blind, I reason, there should be no high priced lawyers who work for the rich opposing mere mortal lawyers who work for the poorer folks. (This thought hit me after the original OJ trial when OJ's team ran circles around the LA DA).

So if you found yourself in legal difficulty or wanted to bring a lawsuit, you would be randomly assigned a lawyer. You would pay a standard rate to a legal pool and that lawyer would work for his standard fee out of the pool.

Of course, this socialism would be awful for good lawyers, but would be a benefit to bad lawyers. It's a really bad idea, but since all the Dem politicians are lawyers I sort of want to do it anyway.

Do you realize that, since 1980, out of all the Democratic Presidential and Vice-Presidential candidates, only 2 haven't been lawyers?

Just for fun, how many presidential or vice-presidential candidates from either major party since 1980 can you name who are lawyers?

re: #100 taxfreekiller

Next ACORN will have a key to your front door.

come on in mutherf*ckers.

re: #12 HippieforLife

What a backward approach. Stalling the reporting of filed foreclosures will only delay the "healing process" of the Mc Cain proposal to "refinance" foreclosed homes and of the Recovery process of the Rescue Act.
Convenient of him to come up with this approach now....It only sounds good to his voting constituents.

re: #209 Killgore Trout

Responsibility is hard, man. Why can't the gov't just do everything for me?

/Picks up bong.

re: #134 godfrey

There's one other aspect which needs to be spelled out:
these redistribution plans need to be worked out, checked, balanced, checked again ... so you need a horde of new bureaucrats to implement these fine plans.
Those need to be paid. With good salaries and pension plans.
You guessed it - it'll come from your taxes!

B0 = NuLab Mk II

re: #212 MandyManners

Oops. Sorry about that. I'll be back after I change my login to "Too Literal".

(Embarrassed.)

re: #196 Dianna

Well we will see how much they like it when their yearly income becomes "too much". I fear however, that by then it will be too late.

Personally, I make much less then the 250,000 year "rich" line, but I know people who make that much, and they work darn hard to make it, and even harder to get to a position in life where they could make that much.

This stealing from the citizens is wrong. If Libs want the Government to have more money, they should voluntarily donate it.

Excessive taxation has caused revolutions.

re: #200 JohnAdams

All the lessons learned about socialism from the 20th century have already been forgotten.

Western Europe is already becoming more Socialist than most parts of Eastern Europe, which still remembers.

re: #159 Ben Hur

Written by that crazed anti-war nutroot, Roger Waters, no doubt.

re: #186 bcgirl

ok so i am being semi serious now, i am one of the peopel who normally gets a tax refund or at least almost break even, so i will get a 500 check from omabba,, however,, i also work 2 jobs, one of which is an 'Independent contractor" where i have to pay the tax as self employed, and i am always 1/2 a mortage payment behind, have 3 credit cards in collections and am paying on them, behind on propety tax (i have to pay my own- behind on homeowners assoc dues, have two payday loans out, owe my boss and my family money and behind on everthing,, but am TRYING to make it,, today i called in sick to my day job (cuz i have sick pay) i am thinking about doing two things,,
one go try to find a different "part'time" job that will pay as much as the INdependant contractor one AND go down to the credit counsoler place and see if i can file bankrupt, but should i do it now or wait till i see if obama gets elected and then do it?

Go see a credit counselor, yes. Do not - NOT! - declare bankruptcy. The counselor will help you create a plan to take care of your debts.

I have no idea what you ought to do about your job situation, but you should, if you possibly can, get a roommate.

re: #210 DeafDog

Yes its a bad idea. Like you said...in your idea everyone will equally share in bad attorneys.

re: #183 DeafDog

You honestly think John Edwards or Obama would want to be collectivized and forced into a low-paying government run union?

re: #175 nigella

Wow, this economic "plan" of Obama's sounds an awful lot like one of my favorite Presidents......Jimmah Carter. I can hardly wait for 8 dollar gas, plus waiting in line to get it, and oh, those 21% interest rates really bring back fond memories. Maybe because he is so "strong" on defense Iran can keep some our people for an "extended" vacation like they did under Jimmah.

Welcome back, welcome back, welcome baaaaaack...

re: #190 Ben Hur

Since when do students attend their teacher's weddings? That's insane!

re: #216 gmsc

Do you realize that, since 1980, out of all the Democratic Presidential and Vice-Presidential candidates, only 2 haven't been lawyers?

Just for fun, how many presidential or vice-presidential candidates from either major party since 1980 can you name who are lawyers?

Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Edwards, Biden, Dukakis, Obama, Mondale were all lawyers. Which leaves Carter and Benson as non lawyers?

Another side fact - in Clintons Cabinet, every one was a lawyer. In Bush's first cabinet (not sure about now) the only lawyer was the AG.

re: #200 JohnAdams

All the lessons learned about socialism from the 20th century have already been forgotten.

That's why leftists court the votes of the uneducated who never learned those lessons in the first place, and (like Ayers) plan the education/indoctrination of the youth, so they will never have the chance to learn about socialism's failures.

re: #222 subsailor68

Oops. Sorry about that. I'll be back after I change my login to "Too Literal".

(Embarrassed.)

LOL! No need.

I posted the Pink Floyd song and Till We Meet Again from Dr. Strangelove this weekend. Good combination.

re: #159 Ben Hur

Does anybody here remember Vera Baker?
Remember how she said that
We would meet again
Some sunny day
Vera! Vera!
What has become of you
Does anybody else in here
Feel the way I do ?

Bring the boys back home!

Heh.
That is actually Vera Lynne, 'The Forces' Sweetheart' who sung that song ...

McCains' Va. Beach Speech

For the MSM that says McCain can only bash Obama and has no ideas of his own.

Three weeks from now, you will choose a new President. Choose well. There is much at stake.

These are hard times. Our economy is in crisis. Financial markets are collapsing. Credit is drying up. Your savings are in danger. Your retirement is at risk. Jobs are disappearing. The cost of health care, your children's college, gasoline and groceries are rising all the time with no end in sight. While your most important asset -- your home -- is losing value every day.

Americans are fighting in two wars. We face many enemies in this dangerous world, and they are waiting to see if our current troubles will permanently weaken us.

The next President won't have time to get used to the office. He won't have the luxury of studying up on the issues before he acts. He will have to act immediately. And to do that, he will need experience, courage, judgment and a bold plan of action to take this country in a new direction. We cannot spend the next four years as we have spent much of the last eight: waiting for our luck to change. The hour is late; our troubles are getting worse; our enemies watch. We have to act immediately. We have to change direction now. We have to fight.

I've been fighting for this country since I was seventeen years old, and I have the scars to prove it. If I'm elected President, I will fight to take America in a new direction from my first day in office until my last. I'm not afraid of the fight, I'm ready for it.

I'm not going to spend $700 billion dollars of your money just bailing out the Wall Street bankers and brokers who got us into this mess. I'm going to make sure we take care of the people who were devastated by the excesses of Wall Street and Washington. I'm going to spend a lot of that money to bring relief to you, and I'm not going to wait sixty days to start doing it.

I have a plan to protect the value of your home and get it rising again by buying up bad mortgages and refinancing them so if your neighbor defaults he doesn't bring down the value of your house with him.

I have a plan to let retirees and people nearing retirement keep their money in their retirement accounts longer so they can rebuild their savings.

I have a plan to rebuild the retirement savings of every worker.

I have a plan to hold the line on taxes and cut them to make America more competitive and create jobs here at home.

Raising taxes makes a bad economy much worse. Keeping taxes low creates jobs, keeps money in your hands and strengthens our economy.

The explosion of government spending over the last eight years has put us deeper in debt to foreign countries that don't have our best interests at heart. It weakened the dollar and made everything you buy more expensive.

If I'm elected President, I won't spend nearly a trillion dollars more of your money, on top of the $700 billion we just gave the Treasury Secretary, as Senator Obama proposes. Because he can't do that without raising your taxes or digging us further into debt. I'm going to make government live on a budget just like you do.

I will freeze government spending on all but the most important programs like defense, veterans care, Social Security and health care until we scrub every single government program and get rid of the ones that aren't working for the American people. And I will veto every single pork barrel bill Congresses passes.

If I'm elected President, I won't fine small businesses and families with children, as Senator Obama proposes, to force them into a new huge government run health care program, while I keep the cost of the fine a secret until I hit you with it. I will bring down the skyrocketing cost of health care with competition and choice to lower your premiums, and make it more available to more Americans. I'll make sure you can keep the same health plan if you change jobs or leave a job to stay home.

re: #223 WrathofG-d

It is theft! But they just won't see it, because it soothes them to think that people "above the line" are somehow getting it unfairly! It just makes me insane.

re: #70 JacksonTn

Well, I guess next Obama will say ....... Private houses? ....... we don't need no stinkin private houses .......... free housing for everyone ........

Hey you with the big house over there .......... I think you can fit a few of my little friends in there .......Comrade Obama .........

I guess I wont expand my basement this decade.

re: #220 taxfreekiller

Obama foreclosure 90 day moratorium did the job for the commies the market is now only up 520 and falling fast.

WTF good does a 90 moratorium supposed to do? Just create a backlog on foreclusres so that in 91 days there is a ton of foreclosures all at once. What a dumb-dumb thing to propose!

re: #228 FurryOldGuyJeans

You honestly think John Edwards or Obama would want to be collectivized and forced into a low-paying government run union?

Some animals are more equal.

McCain Va Bch contd
I will provide every single American family with a $5000 refundable tax credit to help them purchase insurance. Workers who already have health care insurance from their employers will keep it and have more money to cover costs. Workers who don't have health insurance can use it to find a policy anywhere in this country to meet their basic needs.

If I'm elected President, I won't raise taxes on small businesses, as Senator Obama proposes, and force them to cut jobs. I will keep small business taxes where they are, help them keep their costs low, and let them spend their earnings to create more jobs.

If I'm elected President, I won't make it harder to sell our goods overseas and kill more jobs as Senator Obama proposes. I will open new markets to goods made in America and make sure our trade is free and fair. And I'll make sure we help workers who've lost a job that won't come back find a new one that won't go away.

The last President to raise taxes and restrict trade in a bad economy as Senator Obama proposes was Herbert Hoover. That didn't turn out too well. They say those who don't learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them. Well, my friends, I know my history lessons, and I sure won't make the mistakes Senator Obama will.

If I'm elected President, we're going to stop sending $700 billion to countries that don't like us very much. I won't argue to delay drilling for more oil and gas and building new nuclear power plants in America, as Senator Obama does. We will start new drilling now. We will invest in all energy alternatives -- nuclear, wind, solar, and tide. We will encourage the manufacture of hybrid, flex fuel and electric automobiles. We will invest in clean coal technology. We will lower the cost of energy within months, and we will create millions of new jobs.

Let me give you the state of the race today. We have 22 days to go. We're 6 points down. The national media has written us off. Senator Obama is measuring the drapes, and planning with Speaker Pelosi and Senator Reid to raise taxes, increase spending, take away your right to vote by secret ballot in labor elections, and concede defeat in Iraq. But they forgot to let you decide. My friends, we've got them just where we want them.

What America needs in this hour is a fighter; someone who puts all his cards on the table and trusts the judgment of the American people. I come from a long line of McCains who believed that to love America is to fight for her. I have fought for you most of my life. There are other ways to love this country, but I've never been the kind to do it from the sidelines.

I know you're worried. America is a great country, but we are at a moment of national crisis that will determine our future. Will we continue to lead the world's economies or will we be overtaken? Will the world become safer or more dangerous? Will our military remain the strongest in the world? Will our children and grandchildren's future be brighter than ours?

My answer to you is yes. Yes, we will lead. Yes, we will prosper. Yes, we will be safer. Yes, we will pass on to our children a stronger, better country. But we must be prepared to act swiftly, boldly, with courage and wisdom.

I know what fear feels like. It's a thief in the night who robs your strength.

I know what hopelessness feels like. It's an enemy who defeats your will.

I felt those things once before. I will never let them in again. I'm an American. And I choose to fight.

Don't give up hope. Be strong. Have courage. And fight.

Fight for a new direction for our country.

Fight for what's right for America.

Fight to clean up the mess of corruption, infighting and selfishness in Washington.

Fight to get our economy out of the ditch and back in the lead.

Fight for the ideals and character of a free people.

Fight for our children's future.

Fight for justice and opportunity for all.

Stand up to defend our country from its enemies.

re: #104 opnion

I was laughing more at tollybahn and pockeeston

re: #236 Dianna

It is theft! But they just won't see it, because it soothes them to think that people "above the line" are somehow getting it unfairly! It just makes me insane.

It is unfair because the people on the bottom expect it to be given to them by a Beneficent and Caring Government.

///

McCain V Bch Conclusion

Stand up, stand up, stand up and fight. America is worth fighting for. Nothing is inevitable here. We never give up. We never quit. We never hide from history. We make history.

Now, let's go win this election and get this country moving again.

OK, where's the old, somnolent John McCain? The gentleman on Fox at the moment seems to have taken his Geritol this morning. Dare we hope he continues in this fashion through the last debate and the remaining weeks of the campaign?

-Gallatin

Here's the video of Obama telling a plumber - whose business makes over 250K a year, that, yes, he would pay higher taxes because he needs to "spread the wealth."

re: #228 FurryOldGuyJeans

You honestly think John Edwards or Obama would want to be collectivized and forced into a low-paying government run union?

Some animals are more equal than others.

re: #186 bcgirl

You'll need to pay off the lawyer before there is even any filing for bankruptcy. A lawyer I know has stacks of potential bankruptcy petitioners lined up with no money to start the process. Real estate is really in the dumps where I live and so you see real estate people filing. Some are desperate for money to make their own payments on housing actually above what they could afford and so are encouraging other home owners to drop their prices for quicker sales, even if not in the sellers' best interests because it means a commission check for the real estate drone.
A friend filed and had over $100k on 17 credit cards. She found out that the trustee really only wanted records for the 60 days prior to filing. One dude in front of her borrowed $400k to build a restaurant that never opened. Ain't America grand? Back in Havana he'd never even have that opportunity to fail big time.

I'd go for the bankruptcy before there is way too much back up of others ahead of you, regardless of who is POTUS. Pelosi and Reid will be screwing up things regardless.

re: #239 MandyManners

Some animals are more equal.

Oink! ;)

re: #233 MandyManners

Thanks for letting me off the hook - which, by the way, I'm no longer hanging on by myself. (Check out the post just before your last one.)

Sigh. :-)

re: #143 subsailor68

It's happened before:

Dr. Zhivago - The Private Life is Dead

Sad.

Hollywood wouldn't make Dr Zhivago in todays world.

Hmmmm.

What's clear to me is that tax revenues are absolutely going to tank under Obama. So where is the money going to come from?

401(k) plans
IRA plans
bank accounts.

Think that's impossible? FDR nationalized all gold and silver privately owned by American citizens. People are going to revamp their working habits, business plans and the like to reduce their tax burden and this will reduce tax income.

If people aren't working their asses off and paying more tax then the alternative is to -take- from assets and not just tax income.

re: #228 FurryOldGuyJeans

You honestly think John Edwards or Obama would want to be collectivized and forced into a low-paying government run union?

Of course not! But they seem awfully anxious to do that to Doctors (and everyone else for that matte), so I'm willing to throw the lawyers into the mix too.

re: #232 runrabbitrun

That's why leftists court the votes of the uneducated who never learned those lessons in the first place, and (like Ayers) plan the education/indoctrination of the youth, so they will never have the chance to learn about socialism's failures.

Look at Ayers, Dohrn, Ward Churchill, etc. etc...any secret why they all ended up in academia? The kids are outright taught to hate their country while being allowed to rack up Daddy's credit card. I have not met one person under the age of 30 who is not adoring of The One. As grown-ups we have to do a better job of educating.

re: #250 Eowyn2

Hollywood wouldn't make Dr Zhivago in todays world.

They would if they could make him a villain and the Soviet Regime the Hero.

Obama says He "misspoke" when he was talking about the economy is in the toilet in 5...4...3...2...1...

re: #250 Eowyn2

Well, they might, but it would star Seth Rogan and Amy Poehler.

(That just made me queasy.)

re: #230 Dianna

Another example of socialist programming. Let the children "participate", like a
Social Field Trip! See...there's no big thing here to be "scared of".
Just Socialism!

re: #213 opnion

A good place to start is to cut out the 'My Friends"crap.
Also stop the two thumbs up, it's like an old movie.

well, that's what I mean about Mac's stubborness, which he needs to learn has to be deployed with discrimination (it was a positive in the case of the surge, for example).
Do you think he would follow your advice, even if he believed it might be true, or is he too headstrong/inflexible?

re: #236 Dianna

It is theft! But they just won't see it, because it soothes them to think that people "above the line" are somehow getting it unfairly! It just makes me insane.

And they're not being informed that those are the people who give them jobs.

re: #230 Dianna

That is the other issue I thought of when I first heard of this occuring.

What happened to going to school and learning non-political things like math, or language, or history, or science (excluding the political "creation" issue)?

Kids are no longer learning at public schools they are being indoctrinated politically. This is wrong.

This is what happens when the Government gets control of something, and exactly why the Libs want control of everything. You'll get liberal indoctrination at school, banks, college, insurance companies, your doctor, etc., etc., etc.,

re: #231 DeafDog

Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Edwards, Biden, Dukakis, Obama, Mondale were all lawyers. Which leaves Carter and Benson as non lawyers?

Another side fact - in Clintons Cabinet, every one was a lawyer. In Bush's first cabinet (not sure about now) the only lawyer was the AG.

Actually, Al Gore and Jimmy Carter are the 2 without law degrees. Bentsen got his law degree from the University of Texas School of Law.

The link I included earlier has the full answers.

re: #259 JohnAdams

And they're not being informed that those are the people who give them jobs.

But the corporations and business owners are evil because they want to make a profit and not just hire more workers to achieve negative revenue. Only the Government is allowed to show a profit.

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re: #260 WrathofG-d

Uhh? Get? We're there already. I just want to pull back on the reigns.
Did all those parents sign permission slips to allow this "School Function"?
It was SF right? They probably did.