RNC Video: 'Guilt By Participation'
Video | Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 11:16:35 am PDT
This is the latest web-only video from the Republican National Committee, on Barack Obama’s connections to former Weather Underground terrorist William Ayers.
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Video | Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 11:16:35 am PDT
This is the latest web-only video from the Republican National Committee, on Barack Obama’s connections to former Weather Underground terrorist William Ayers.
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arethusa Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:18:21am |
When will these web-only videos be on TV? This could be edited to 30-60 seconds, easy.
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nigella Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:18:22am |
I think the Ayers thing isn't helping. Acorn is where McCain should go in my opinion.
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Cognito Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:18:59am |
I look forward to their video in which they hit the subject of the economy.
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Thanos Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:19:21am |
re: #2 nigella
I think the Ayers thing isn't helping. Acorn is where McCain should go in my opinion.
See the lead article at MM"s site.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:20:32am |
re: #2 nigella
I think the Ayers thing isn't helping. Acorn is where McCain should go in my opinion.
I disagree nigella, he should hammer both of them...BTW, Rush is playing the McCain rally tape in Manhattan now.
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:21:23am |
re: #6 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
I disagree nigella, he should hammer both of them...BTW, Rush is playing the McCain rally tape in Manhattan now.
I heard that tape. It's disgusting what was being shouted at the McCain rally.
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Thanos Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:21:29am |
re: #3 Cognito
I look forward to their video in which they hit the subject of the economy.
Certainly a lot of material there, and we've seen the surface scratched but barely.
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twincitiesgirl Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:22:12am |
The cover showing Ayers standing on the flag should have been full screen size.
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Slumbering Behemoth Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:22:48am |
But Palin can't say he "pals around with terrorists" without some sandy little butthole calling it "reprehensible rhetoric".
Humpf!
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Dr. Shalit Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:23:25am |
The AD speaks for itself - at rather high volume.
-S-
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Irene NYC Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:23:28am |
Someone should start ask Obama if he will appoint Ayers as Sec'y of Education. And if not, why not. I'd like to see him answer that.
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Ben Hur Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:23:39am |
The MSM frames public opinion.
As long as the American MSM doesn't believe that Ayers is a terrorist, it will be a non-starter.
Just like the Palis and their BBC enablers.
I'm sure if McCain had even the slimest connection to, let's say David Duke, the MSM would've had his head months ago.
This is getting old.
The MSM thinks this country is racist, while ignoring the real racism of Europe, Arabia, Africa, Asia and everyother cullure/state that minorities do not exist - or are in so few numbers as not to count.
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Who Watches the Watchmen? Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:23:48am |
Very nice! Big success!
Problem is, nobody cares about Ayers. It's Obama's continually changing story that has to be emphasized.
Remember, Nixon wasn't brought down by the Watergate burglars. It was the cover-up.
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bellamags Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:24:21am |
Its great, but unfortunately people who are already voting for McCain are the only ones who can appreciate this. I think most everyone has made up their minds. The only thing we can count on is low voter turnout for BHO.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:24:26am |
All of it needs to be hammered on, but ACORN/sub-prime/et cetera probably speaks louder to the average undecided right about now.
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unrealizedviewpoint Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:24:34am |
re: #13 Irene NYC
Someone should start ask Obama if he will appoint Ayers as Sec'y of Education. And if not, why not. I'd like to see him answer that.
Maybe John will ask him on Wednesday.
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arethusa Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:24:43am |
OT: This belongs in the now-dying thread, but I'll post it here too.
Here's the video of Obama telling a plumber - whose business makes over 250K a year, that, yes, he would pay higher taxes because he needs to "spread the wealth."
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Irene NYC Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:24:52am |
re: #16 bellamags
Its great, but unfortunately people who are already voting for McCain are the only ones who can appreciate this. I think most everyone has made up their minds. The only thing we can count on is low voter turnout for BHO.
That's not going to happen. Count on the opposite.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:25:05am |
Since we're discussing Ayers, here's a letter to the Boston Globe from someone who is proud of his connection to Ayers.
Somehow, he neglects Ayers' present anti-Americanism, and downplays his past terrorist acts.
And he was headmaster of Brookline High, so we can see what is wrong with our educational system.
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arethusa Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:25:05am |
re: #13 Irene NYC
Someone should start ask Obama if he will appoint Ayers as Sec'y of Education. And if not, why not. I'd like to see him answer that.
"If not, why not?" I would love to hear that!
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bellamags Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:25:08am |
re: #14 Ben Hur
The MSM frames public opinion.
As long as the American MSM doesn't believe that Ayers is a terrorist, it will be a non-starter.
Just like the Palis and their BBC enablers.
I'm sure if McCain had even the slimest connection to, let's say David Duke, the MSM would've had his head months ago.
This is getting old.
The MSM thinks this country is racist, while ignoring the real racism of Europe, Arabia, Africa, Asia and everyother cullure/state that minorities do not exist - or are in so few numbers as not to count.
couldn't have said it better myself. awesome
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:25:18am |
re: #15 Who Watches the Watchmen?
Very nice! Big success!
Problem is, nobody cares about Ayers. It's Obama's continually changing story that has to be emphasized.
Remember, Nixon wasn't brought down by the Watergate burglars. It was the cover-up.
And THAT is a VERY good point!
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godfrey Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:25:20am |
"Part of a pattern" means they're going to keep bringing more to the table.
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mitthrawnurdo Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:25:25am |
re: #13 Irene NYC
That would require the media to actually do their jobs instead of being in the tank for the Messiah.
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Dr. Shalit Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:25:34am |
re: #15 Who Watches the Watchmen?
Very nice! Big success!
Problem is, nobody cares about Ayers. It's Obama's continually changing story that has to be emphasized.
Remember, Nixon wasn't brought down by the Watergate burglars. It was the cover-up.
"www" -
Good point. As with former Pres. Clinton - not the adultery - the PERJURY.
-S-
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nigella Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:26:44am |
IreneNYC, someone should ask Obama a bunch of questions,but that's the problem The LSM is in the tank for him. No other candidate would get the fawning coverage Obama has. No other candidate with as thin a resume would even make it to the primaries let alone as the Presidential candidate. Strange and dangerous times we are living in.
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Irene NYC Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:27:00am |
re: #29 bellamags
how about PRAY for low voter turnout?
While we're at it, pray for lousy weather too.
;)
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mitthrawnurdo Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:27:17am |
re: #19 arethusa
Scary. Unfortuantely, most in the crowd probabily didn't care about that posting of Marxist bs by Obama.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:27:29am |
re: #17 pre-Boomer Marine brat
All of it needs to be hammered on, but ACORN/sub-prime/et cetera probably speaks louder to the average undecided right about now.
Not just the sub-prime mess, but the voter fraud as well. If Americans learned the the same group that had it's fingers in the pie of the economic trouble was the same group trying to defraud our votes, I think there would be some strong blowback.
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opnion Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:28:06am |
When the Ayers Association surfaced, the Obama Campaign put out a ststement, that Ayers is just a neighborhood guy that Obama knew from their children going to school together.
The Obama children are grade schoolers & Ayers kids are adults.
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gymnast Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:28:15am |
re: #3 Cognito
I look forward to their video in which they hit the subject of the economy.
I look forward to the day when the American people realize what a corrupt "free Press" has done to them. Good luck Cognito, you are going to need a bucket of it.
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Dr. Shalit Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:28:17am |
re: #29 bellamags
how about PRAY for low voter turnout?
"bella" -
As a practical matter - Pray for Rain - tends to dampen spirits of folks who aren't die-hards.
-S-
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joncelli Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:28:20am |
Not bad. A bit long. Let's hope they take arethusa's advice and edit it down, then make a massive ad buy during the football games on the weekend before November 5. Let's hope that's what McCain is saving his money for.
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:28:45am |
Oh, please please please run this tonight during MNF, Sen. McCain!
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:29:01am |
ayers is tied to ACORN too. 0bama and ayers were on the Woods Fund together. The Woods Fund gave money to ACORN.
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:29:46am |
This is vastly better than the previous one--it was too jittery, too unfocused.
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bellamags Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:29:56am |
re: #32 Ben Hur
The leftist media is the real and dangerous problem. Conservatives really need to find a way to combat it. I try to tell everyone (without seeming like a freak) about media bias.
But the media has total control over everything and it is scary. Even commercials for products have been skewed to subtly sway people. Every commercial makes the white middle aged man seem like a moron. But women and minorities are the heros. It is sad and frightening.
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Colonel Panik Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:30:27am |
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joncelli Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:30:35am |
re: #39 joncelli
November 4, I mean. November 5 is when the 18 to 25-year-old bloc votes. (Wink wink, nudge nudge.)
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Opinionated Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:30:54am |
Unlike the Liberal media and press and the Democrats, I/we believe this connection between the two is important.
So what does it tell you about the McCain campaign, and the GOP, that they don't have the balls to run this effective ad on TV but leave it for the web only where mostly supporters will just be reinforced.
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twincitiesgirl Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:31:11am |
There's a shocking and disgusting* post on the Wake Up America blog about what Obama supporters call Palin with virtually no media coverage at all
*warning adult content
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opnion Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:31:30am |
re: #41 Sharmuta
ayers is tied to ACORN too. 0bama and ayers were on the Woods Fund together. The Woods Fund gave money to ACORN.
Yup, & the Obama Campaign donated $800,000 to Acorn during the pimaries.
In turn, the non partisan Acorn contributed to Obama & endorsed him.
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Slumbering Behemoth Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:31:43am |
re: #45 joncelli
You're wrong, Election Day is Nov. 6th. ;)
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:32:09am |
re: #35 Sharmuta
Not just the sub-prime mess, but the voter fraud as well. If Americans learned the the same group that had it's fingers in the pie of the economic trouble was the same group trying to defraud our votes, I think there would be some strong blowback.
Yeah, I was typing fast. ACORN is both the CRA and voter fraud in my lingo. That "We Will Not Be Silenced" video is something else too!
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joncelli Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:32:22am |
re: #44 Colonel Panik
Now THERE'S a video the McCain campaign can get some mileage out of. Barack Obama: closet socialist.
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arethusa Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:32:43am |
re: #36 opnion
Actually, Ayers took in the child of two fellow radicals when they were jailed. I don't know how old that girl is, but she may be near Obama's children in age.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:32:46am |
re: #48 opnion
Yup, & the Obama Campaign donated $800,000 to Acorn during the pimaries.
In turn, the non partisan Acorn contributed to Obama & endorsed him.
So ACORN isn't a two-fer so much as it's a three-fer-
Financial Crisis
Voter Fraud
Dirty Chicago Machine
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Eowyn2 Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:32:48am |
re: #19 arethusa
OT: This belongs in the now-dying thread, but I'll post it here too.
Here's the video of Obama telling a plumber - whose business makes over 250K a year, that, yes, he would pay higher taxes because he needs to "spread the wealth."
Of course he must. He can start by paying me for the opportunity to replumb my whole house. He will then garner a loss on the transaction and both he and I will feel better.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:33:10am |
Who cares? We're all gonna get free stuff!
/
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:33:33am |
re: #40 MandyManners
Oh, please please please run this tonight during MNF, Sen. McCain!
You've got to be kidding. Run this ad during football. No way in hell. That would be like, un-American. You must be out of your mind. I'm not interested in the campaign, just football.
/s
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:33:52am |
re: #57 buzzsawmonkey
We should have formed a Lizard PAC to run our own ads!
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godfrey Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:34:15am |
So with all this emphasis on his shady connections, does this mean Obama is now considered "qualified" as a candidate?
What happened to "not ready to lead." Has that point been conceded?
Are people forgetting that Obama has no serious executive, legislative, or professional experience?
All he has is advisors, which means that everyone really needs to look at who this nonentity is surrounding himself with.
So make the connection between his shady connections and his inexperience.
This is not a guy you can trust.
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legalpad Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:34:19am |
re: #43 bellamags
The project should be, get control of or start a new broadcast TV network. Not just cable, but broadcast TV. In every home. This should be a moon-landing like project to conservatives.
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JohnAdams Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:34:32am |
re: #2 nigella
I think the Ayers thing isn't helping. Acorn is where McCain should go in my opinion.
I agree. Obama is deep in the ACORN swamp, right back to his beginnings, easily traceable. And ACORN is directly complicit in the credit crash. It's the economy, stupid.
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Eowyn2 Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:34:33am |
re: #36 opnion
When the Ayers Association surfaced, the Obama Campaign put out a ststement, that Ayers is just a neighborhood guy that Obama knew from their children going to school together.
The Obama children are grade schoolers & Ayers kids are adults.
Perhaps Ayers children are, well, handicapped. We dont know for sure. Although it would be a terrible social tragedy if so. How could they have considered giving birth to an handicapped child?
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mitthrawnurdo Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:34:45am |
re: #47 twincitiesgirl
But the Republicans are anti-women!
/Why isn't the media reporting on this? Rhetorical question.
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Brees Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:34:55am |
The link to the McCain supporters walk through Manhattan. Probably will be pulled soon.
Poor little Obama Socialist supporters. They can't handle someone who's views are different
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CyanSnowHawk Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:35:00am |
re: #56 Killgore Trout
Who cares? We're all gonna get free stuff!
/
Just some of us will get the gold mine, the others will get the shaft.
I'm not much for country music, but I loved Jerry Reed.
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FrogMarch Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:35:32am |
re: #56 Killgore Trout
Who cares? We're all gonna get free stuff!
/
I'm quiting my job and going with Obama's plan.
Most small and medium sized businesses will be taxed out of existence anyway. Might as well get an early start.
/weeee!
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twincitiesgirl Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:35:32am |
re: #19 arethusa
Spread the love around? That needs to be in a McCain ad ASAP and he better come down hard on the huge difference between them on the economy in his last debate. Most hard working people I know are generous to a fault, but they want to decide where they "spread the love."
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:35:54am |
re: #61 legalpad
Have you seen their ratings lately? Even in this election cycle their numbers are going down. I say let them continue- give them more rope. Do not stop your enemy when they are busy defeating themselves.
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joekowalski247 Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:36:02am |
this ad is obviously 'RACIST' since it isn't available 'en Espanol'
Mr. Sarcastic
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FrogMarch Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:36:34am |
re: #40 MandyManners
Oh, please please please run this tonight during MNF, Sen. McCain!
I know. This web only stuff only gets you so far.
Run it during "The View" as well..
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Perry Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:36:39am |
If the RICO suit gets filed tomorrow, McCain should hammer him with it at the debate Wed.
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arethusa Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:37:17am |
re: #60 godfrey
"Ready to lead" is still part of McCain ads. This was an RNC ad.
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bellamags Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:37:19am |
re: #61 legalpad
that network would be demonized just like FOX. educating people on socialism and communism and making them aware of the LSM, is the only sure way to fix the problem.
Give a man a fish or teach him how to fish type thing.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:37:21am |
re: #49 Slumbering Behemoth
You're wrong, Election Day is Nov. 6th. ;)
You're both dead wrong! Bush will declare Marshall Law November 3rd, cancel the November 4th election, and name himself "President for life".
/You obviously don't read "progressive" websites.
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JohnAdams Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:37:33am |
re: #67 FrogMarch
I'm quiting my job and going with Obama's plan.
Most small and medium sized businesses will be taxed out of existence anyway. Might as well get an early start./weeee!
My buddy said the same thing today. Get a trailer home, keep it under $25K a year, and await The One who bears goodies.
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:37:43am |
re: #72 FrogMarch
I know. This web only stuff only gets you so far.
Run it during "The View" as well..
Not everyone who needs to see these ads is wired.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:38:22am |
re: #56 Killgore Trout
Who cares? We're all gonna get free stuff!
/
uh ... but who do I put the arm on in Congress to get my free plane ticket to my Hawaiian beach mansion?
/but I refuse to go behind Barney's back
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arethusa Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:38:39am |
re: #59 Sharmuta
We should have formed a Lizard PAC to run our own ads!
It's not too late to do it for 2010 and take back Congress. Which should be our next goal, no matter who wins.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:38:43am |
re: #78 MandyManners
Oh- wait- I thought you wrote "weird".
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Gallatin Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:38:45am |
re: #2 nigella
I think the Ayers thing isn't helping. Acorn is where McCain should go in my opinion.
Agreed. The "Ayers connection" is a non-starter. There is far more widespread anger and acknowledgment of the Acorn travesty than there is regarding Ayers.
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legalpad Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:38:49am |
re: #69 Sharmuta
Well, I'm not saying stop them, I'm just saying get something going ourselves. If we enjoy FOX news, how much would we enjoy and entire broadcast network that doesn't try to skew reality like the looneys in Hollywood see it.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:39:03am |
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offendi Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:39:16am |
As someone who lives in one of the most liberal infested parts of the country I recall what some of my liberal friends had to say about Bush's election, namely that the religious right would take over the country, abortion would be illegal, the government headed by Darth Cheney would be invading a new country every week, Bush would institute the draft, etc. etc.. Well, 8 years later, where is it?
In the same vein I would offer the following fantasy (?) scenario
(All press wires) September, 2011 Dear Leader Obama declares Martial Law.
Today President, Dear Leader, and Light of the Nation, Barrack Obama declared martial law and a national curfew, citing wide-spread rioting by " criminal elements" in cities throughout the United States. Opposition groups contend that the non-violent protests were due to food shortages and difficulties in finding any paying work, and claim Obama has mishandled the economic depression since being sworn-in as President in January, 2009. Obama announced that the "Acorn" paramilitary division of the Obama National Movement would be out on the streets of major cities to ensure the curfew was kept. The recent sale of Alaska to Russia for 20 billion dollars did not generate enough capital to move forward with Dear Leader Obama's job creation scheme, although a new tax break was quickly pushed through Congress raising taxes on all Americans making over $30,000 a year. " The few rich that remain in America must pay, it is their patriotic duty" President Obama said. Dear Leader Obama also supported Secretary of Collectivization Bill Ayers for insisting that citizens whose homes were purchased by the federal government merge into communes and work in commune established light industry and manufacturing plants. " The days of capitalism are over, " a smiling Secretary Ayers said.
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LieSeeker Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:39:44am |
When the "New Party" endorsement is mentioned, remember that Obama signed a contract with the New Party in order to be an endorsed candidate. He participated, he did not only sit in a pew.
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mitthrawnurdo Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:39:53am |
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Adrenalyn Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:40:25am |
re: #76 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
You're both dead wrong! Bush will declare Marshall Law November 3rd, cancel the November 4th election, and name himself "President for life".
/You obviously don't read "progressive" websites.
don't forget, he is going to reinstate the draft too
and make all young males from 18-38 register at the White House
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jorline Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:40:40am |
re: #47 twincitiesgirl
There's a shocking and disgusting* post on the Wake Up America blog about what Obama supporters call Palin with virtually no media coverage at all
*warning adult content
They're fucking disgusting.
Sharp looking group...the guys all look like they still live at home with Mom and Dad.
Liberals=POOP
Party
Of
Obtrusive
Progressives
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sbvft contributor Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:40:48am |
"Web only". Why is it all the good ads never make it to the telly? I didn't send McCain any money and it appears to have been a smart decision. They don't seserve the $ if their not going to put ads like this where people will see them. McCain deserves to lose. Lousy candidate. Lousy campaign. Palin/Romey 2012.
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Cognito Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:40:48am |
re: #37 gymnast
I look forward to the day when the American people realize what a corrupt "free Press" has done to them. Good luck Cognito, you are going to need a bucket of it.
Why's that?
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joncelli Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:41:12am |
The football weekend before the election is the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd (Monday Night Football). Don't run anything on Saturday -- the college fans won't care and everybody else will be out running errands. Start on the afternoon games on Sunday. I envision a long commercial in 30-second chunks. The idea is to define BHO. Start with a commercial on where he grew up and how he worshipped at a mosque in his youth (30 seconds). Go on to his early career as a lawyer and the ACORN suits (1 minute). Continue with the New Party and his career being launched by Ayers (90 seconds). Finish up with Reverend Wright and his non-participation in Congress, as well as his other radical associations (2 minutes total).
Then, on MNF, start critiquing his economic policies. You might get some mileage out of linking him directly to Reid and Pelosi (30 seconds). Replay the video of the plumber being told that he has to put up with more taxation (1 minute). Then, make the last two commercials about John McCain -- his sacrifice, his faith in America, his record of accomplisment (two commercials of 30 seconds each).
What the hell, it's as good a plan as any that the McCain campaign seems to have.
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FrogMarch Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:42:12am |
re: #77 JohnAdams
My buddy said the same thing today. Get a trailer home, keep it under $25K a year, and await The One who bears goodies.
Obama's tax schemes (coupled with a congress controlled by crazy stupid corrupt democrats like Harry and Nancy) make most people want to give up.
I work with successful people who say to me - "If Obama gets in - we are taking it all off the table" . Children and young adults are excited about Obama, but many of us who have been down this road are scared shitless.
Hope, my ass. I feel nothing but dread.
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:42:18am |
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godfrey Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:42:36am |
Obama: And as President, I assure you, I will do everything, in my power, in the power you give me, because this is a democracy, to ensure that all our elections are conducted with fairness and integrity.
McCain: I'm glad to hear the junior Senator from Illinois speaking so well now of the democratic process. I wonder whether this represents a change from his views just recently during the primaries, when he gave $800,000 to an organization called ACORN, which has been implicated in multiple counts of voter fraud. I wonder whether this represents a change from his "community organizing" with ACORN, training them, during a time when ACORN operatives were known to intimidate banks into making risky loans that landed us in this massive financial crisis [and so on]. You sure speak well, but given your record, I can't imagine why anyone would trust you.
Something like that.
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legalpad Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:42:37am |
re: #75 bellamags
that network would be demonized just like FOX. educating people on socialism and communism and making them aware of the LSM, is the only sure way to fix the problem.
Give a man a fish or teach him how to fish type thing.
Of course it would be demonized. That doesn't hurt FOX ratings. Many of those who need educating are innocently ignorant and have to be spoon fed via "entertainment". The MSM does that now. And MSM's demonizing wouold backfire.
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Penguinchic Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:42:54am |
re: #90 Adrenalyn
Not just men, I read today that he thinks women need to enroll in selective service, so he would draft them as well.
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JacksonTn Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:43:01am |
re: #52 arethusa
Actually, Ayers took in the child of two fellow radicals when they were jailed. I don't know how old that girl is, but she may be near Obama's children in age.
Here is info about the child of Boudin and no she is not even close to Obama's kids age .........another lie .....
[Link: www.slate.com...]
I know I hate the slate but the article is what it is ....
Weatherson
CHESA BOUDIN, RADICAL CHIC RHODES SCHOLAR.
By Emily Yoffe
Posted Monday, Dec. 9, 2002, at 7:22 PM ET
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offendi Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:43:47am |
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Crusty Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:43:51am |
I had an incredible web debate this weekend with a couple of moonbats who tried to argue to me that Ayers couldn't possibly be a terrorist because he was named Citizen of the Year in Chicago and works as a professor at UIC. Even after I pointed out the US Capitol, Pentagon and NYC HQ bombings they thought because he was never convicted (due to the FBI illegally obtaining evidence) that he doesn't qualify as a terrorist.
You cannot reason with unreasonable people. Libs could watch this video 100 times and still think they're watching Mr. Roger's Neighborhood.
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angrywhitedad Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:44:00am |
Just left the McCain Palin website and unless there's some internals we don't know about why in the hell would he be sending Palin to Maine and New Hampshire for pretty much the remainder of the week?
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:44:32am |
re: #104 angrywhitedad
Because there are internals we don't know about.
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godfrey Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:44:44am |
Bill Ayers should be rotting in jail. He's guilty. He got off on a technicality.
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Alouette Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:44:55am |
OT
Last night I watched the DVD of "Don't Mess with the Zohan." 90 minutes of my life that I will never get back. That movie sucked like...like...there is no Black Hole in the Universe that sucks as much as that movie did.
Adam Sandler's acting...(and I use the term with extreme generosity)...it must have been in his contract that no other "actor" in the movie can have better skills...they all sucked...this movie should win the Suck Oscar.
The portrayal of Israelis as hummus-gobbling imbecile DIBs, I have met a few of that species.
Now for brain bleach, I will have to watch "Ushpizin" about six times.
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Adrenalyn Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:45:15am |
McCain should use Ayers
he should also mention ACORN
and virtually all the democrat dirt there is
make America realize he is running against an entire party
and an entirely corrupt party
with a media-in-conspiracy partner
as someone else so eloquently said earlier:
are you better off today than 2 years ago
when Pelosi and Reid took over
follow up with
do you remember Jimmy Carter and being held hostage by Iran
well folks (stay away from "my friends") we could be back to square one again with them again if you elect Obama and the surrendering Democrats again
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BigJohn Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:45:16am |
Obama is like an information dump. He is so dirty and such an unbelievably unqualified candidate, it is almost impossible to focus on the worst aspect of his candidacy. It leaves McCain scatter-shooting. It is a crime that the MSM won't focus on any.
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arethusa Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:45:36am |
Today's Gallup has Obama up by 8.5? I didn't even know they did .5 points.
Rasmussen and Zogby have better news, though. And Gallup has buried in their report that among their likely-voter pollees Obama has about a 4 point lead (on patterico.com, which just now is not loading, so I can't link it).
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joncelli Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:45:49am |
re: #104 angrywhitedad
NH is up for grabs but Maine is blue. That really is a curious choice.
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bellamags Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:46:07am |
re: #99 legalpad
Of course it would be demonized. That doesn't hurt FOX ratings. Many of those who need educating are innocently ignorant and have to be spoon fed via "entertainment". The MSM does that now. And MSM's demonizing wouold backfire.
The people watching fox are not the ones needing to be educated. The people watching the LSM are the ones needing the information. They don't watch Fox.
After I explain the difference between liberalism and conservatism to most of my young employees who think they are liberal, most of them realize they are in fact conservatives. I dissect their paycheck and explain the deductions. That gets them every time.
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rightside Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:46:37am |
Looks like the ball may start rolling after all, we can only hope.
Notice the newsreader dude says this could impact voting for months to come.
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JohnAdams Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:47:09am |
re: #99 legalpad
Of course it would be demonized. That doesn't hurt FOX ratings. Many of those who need educating are innocently ignorant and have to be spoon fed via "entertainment". The MSM does that now. And MSM's demonizing wouold backfire.
I've gotta believe Soros is bankrolling that disgusting Oliver Stone hitpiece on GW. They are running ads on TV constantly and all of these propaganda films have tanked at the box office.
Oliver Stone couldn't tongue-wash George Bush's .
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notutopia Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:47:23am |
re: #24 pre-Boomer Marine brat
The cover up exposure took years to legally prepare. We don't have TIME to wait for the cover up in this upcoming election. McCain has to start Assertively presenting Obamas non-disclosures of his relationships, associations, affiliations, and voting record up NOW! It needs to be done with tact, truth, and validated with FACTS! It needs to be done on TV where it cannot be edited by the LSM. This will require McCain to muster some personal aggressive characteristics that he fears going out of control, like his temperament and to challenge his personal Views as not being polite or politically correct. It's Past Due Time to represent each and everyone of us in exposing Obama to the world, that which will not be spoken by the MSM!
This election is dependent upon these issues being revealed to the masses.
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Spenser (with an S) Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:47:33am |
re: #38 Dr. Shalit
re: #29 bellamags
how about PRAY for low voter turnout?
"bella" -
As a practical matter - Pray for Rain - tends to dampen spirits of folks who aren't die-hards.
Is it sacrilegious to pray for a huge load of cheap weed to hit town that Monday?
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godfrey Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:47:36am |
re: #110 arethusa
Not a problem. If Lefty believes Obama should be up by 11 at this point, make the polls say so. If he's only up by 8, make it 8.5.
If it's a toss-up, don't report it.
Lefty is sweating and starting to shout. Go for the kill.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:47:48am |
re: #107 Alouette
OT
Last night I watched the DVD of "Don't Mess with the Zohan." 90 minutes of my life that I will never get back. That movie sucked like...like...there is no Black Hole in the Universe that sucks as much as that movie did.
Adam Sandler's acting...(and I use the term with extreme generosity)...it must have been in his contract that no other "actor" in the movie can have better skills...they all sucked...this movie should win the Suck Oscar.
The portrayal of Israelis as hummus-gobbling imbecile DIBs, I have met a few of that species.
Now for brain bleach, I will have to watch "Ushpizin" about six times.
I could tell it sucked from the previews and reviews (even the ones who liked the movie.) Besides, I never liked Adam Sandler.
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arethusa Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:47:49am |
re: #104 angrywhitedad
Just left the McCain Palin website and unless there's some internals we don't know about why in the hell would he be sending Palin to Maine and New Hampshire for pretty much the remainder of the week?
No, this is the result of abandoning Michigan. McCain now has two good options for winning the electoral vote:
1) Flip Pennsylvania.
2) Get New Hamphire. This would result in an Electoral College tie, which goes to Obama (Democratic House would elect the President). Thus, McCain needs one more electoral vote. Maine splits its electoral votes, and McCain is going after the northern Congressional District in ME, the second district, which has its own electoral vote. If he gets that and NH, he has 270, if he also keeps most of the Bush states.
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offendi Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:48:36am |
re: #96 FrogMarch
Obama's tax schemes (coupled with a congress controlled by crazy stupid corrupt democrats like Harry and Nancy) make most people want to give up.
I work with successful people who say to me - "If Obama gets in - we are taking it all off the table" . Children and young adults are excited about Obama, but many of us who have been down this road are scared shitless.Hope, my ass. I feel nothing but dread.
The tax plan is pablum and cat nip for the non-productive people in our society who can still vote ( many times over, it seems ). Problem is, small businesses will cut back on jobs. Barry is the Homer Simpson of the Tax Code. And his senile VP thinks losing jobs is "patriotic".
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:48:52am |
Crap, I technically posted his address, a boo-boo.
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Desert Dog Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:49:16am |
re: #112 bellamags
The people watching fox are not the ones needing to be educated. The people watching the LSM are the ones needing the information. They don't watch Fox.
After I explain the difference between liberalism and conservatism to most of my young employees who think they are liberal, most of them realize they are in fact conservatives. I dissect their paycheck and explain the deductions. That gets them every time.
"hey, hey, hey, it's, it's, it's, so, so, so, nice, nice, nice, in, in, in, this, this, this, echo, echo, echo, chamber, chamber, chamber......" I bet the majority of Obama supporters do not know many people that are voting for McCain. That is why they will be in stunned disbelief if McCain wins. They are all thinking this election is just now a formality and Obama has already won.
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notutopia Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:49:36am |
re: #85 Walter L. Newton
You're thinking with the wrong head!
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BigJohn Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:49:50am |
re: #111 joncelli
NH is up for grabs but Maine is blue. That really is a curious choice.
I was curious as to why Obambi was running ads here in North Texas during the Cowboys' game yesterday. Texas is not in play for him. He either has money to burn or his campaign isn't very bright. Maybe someone here knows how those things work.
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Who Watches the Watchmen? Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:50:10am |
re: #107 Alouette
Now for brain bleach, I will have to watch "Ushpizin" about six times.
I loved Usphizin. Who knew Sukkot had its own holiday movie?
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FrogMarch Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:50:13am |
Mark Foley's Old Seat
So much for combating the "culture of corruption."
h/t: KJL
So glad our tax money goes to pay mistresses.
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JohnnyReb Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:50:21am |
re: #113 rightside
Looks like the ball may start rolling after all, we can only hope.
Notice the newsreader dude says this could impact voting for months to come.
One good thing from this election is ACORN is dead. Way too many MSM guys are reporting on it. They are dead.
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JohnAdams Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:50:25am |
re: #114 JohnAdams
I've gotta believe Soros is bankrolling that disgusting Oliver Stone hitpiece on GW. They are running ads on TV constantly and all of these propaganda films have tanked at the box office.
Oliver Stone couldn't tongue-wash George Bush's .
...jockstrap!
PIMF (forgot to turn on child filter)
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arethusa Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:50:26am |
re: #111 joncelli
NH is up for grabs but Maine is blue. That really is a curious choice.
No, see my #118. It's a strategy.
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Tricky Dick Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:50:33am |
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joncelli Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:50:53am |
re: #120 arethusa
Okay, that actually makes sense. Of course he has to get FL and OH too, and hold IN.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:51:09am |
McCain/Palin have also spent time in the upper mid-west blue states of Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa and Michigan. I simply cannot believe that if the race in the battleground states were as tight as the polls are telling us, that McCain would waste his time in blue states- I just don't think he's that stupid.
There is something going on- McCain's numbers must be showing him he can make a move on these blue states and leave the battleground, or we would not be seeing this.
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arethusa Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:51:23am |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:51:24am |
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Desert Dog Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:51:34am |
re: #129 BigJohn
Maybe is was a national ad? He apparently has a printing press over at O-Headquarters, either that or an endless supply of brainwashed donors.
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Spenser (with an S) Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:52:11am |
re: #120 arethusa
re: #104 angrywhitedadJust left the McCain Palin website and unless there's some internals we don't know about why in the hell would he be sending Palin to Maine and New Hampshire for pretty much the remainder of the week?
No, this is the result of abandoning Michigan. McCain now has two good options for winning the electoral vote:
1) Flip Pennsylvania.
2) Get New Hamphire. This would result in an Electoral College tie, which goes to Obama (Democratic House would elect the President). Thus, McCain needs one more electoral vote. Maine splits its electoral votes, and McCain is going after the northern Congressional District in ME, the second district, which has its own electoral vote. If he gets that and NH, he has 270, if he also keeps most of the Bush states.
According to his campaign, they are both coming back to MI later this month for 2+ days. I'm planning on going.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:52:14am |
re: #132 JohnnyReb
One good thing from this election is ACORN is dead. Way too many MSM guys are reporting on it. They are dead.
Not if Obama get elected.
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DeafDog Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:52:48am |
re: #56 Killgore Trout
Who cares? We're all gonna get free stuff!
/
Yeah...and all those rich people will pay. Finally!
/sarc
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offendi Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:52:57am |
re: #107 Alouette
Most Israeli films today are about gay issues or unhappy arabs, they even have a porn film made in Israel. The extreme left are mostly the film makers there today, sadly.
The movie you mention is one of a few that are actually sympathetic to the haredi. Most are not.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:53:02am |
re: #132 JohnnyReb
One good thing from this election is ACORN is dead. Way too many MSM guys are reporting on it. They are dead.
They will just go dormant for a bit and mutate into some other corrupt entity of the Left.
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arethusa Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:53:12am |
re: #143 Spenser (with an S)
According to his campaign, they are both coming back to MI later this month for 2+ days. I'm planning on going.
So he IS coming back to Michigan? Good news. Are there ads back on there?
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JohnAdams Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:53:39am |
re: #124 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Crap, I technically posted his address, a boo-boo.
He'll be plastered with moonbat guano for sure!
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Ben Hur Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:53:40am |
re: #43 bellamags
The leftist media is the real and dangerous problem. Conservatives really need to find a way to combat it. I try to tell everyone (without seeming like a freak) about media bias.
But the media has total control over everything and it is scary. Even commercials for products have been skewed to subtly sway people. Every commercial makes the white middle aged man seem like a moron. But women and minorities are the heros. It is sad and frightening.
They are unassailable.
They brush off any critisism with "They always blame the media." It's their shield.
And their sword is, "Questions still remain."
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Desert Dog Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:54:19am |
re: #144 Walter L. Newton
I agree, ACORN will be elevated and we shall not see an end to the "Truth Squads" either should he make it in the White House. Both will be out in force, to reassure term #2.
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JohnnyReb Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:54:22am |
re: #144 Walter L. Newton
Not if Obama get elected.
Dead and gone no matter who gets elected. If the MSM all across the board is reporting it, it is dead.
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Ben Hur Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:54:46am |
re: #43 bellamags
The leftist media is the real and dangerous problem. Conservatives really need to find a way to combat it. I try to tell everyone (without seeming like a freak) about media bias.
But the media has total control over everything and it is scary. Even commercials for products have been skewed to subtly sway people. Every commercial makes the white middle aged man seem like a moron. But women and minorities are the heros. It is sad and frightening.
Apparently, women do not get diarrhea.
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arethusa Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:54:49am |
re: #137 Sharmuta
McCain/Palin have also spent time in the upper mid-west blue states of Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa and Michigan. I simply cannot believe that if the race in the battleground states were as tight as the polls are telling us, that McCain would waste his time in blue states- I just don't think he's that stupid.
There is something going on- McCain's numbers must be showing him he can make a move on these blue states and leave the battleground, or we would not be seeing this.
Yes - what people tend to forget is that the polls are national. They measure the popular vote. But the Presidency is decided by the electoral vote. So I agree, there must be something that is motivating visits to states that would seem foregone conclusions. Otherwise he would just be in PA, VA, and OH always.
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Ford_Prefect Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:55:11am |
re: #135 Tricky Dick
OT
From link:
Elected officials in Chicago made international news last week by proposing to create a public high school for gay, lesbian and transgender students.
How screwed up do you have to be to be a transgender high school student?
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tradewind Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:55:21am |
This just made me throw up in my mouth a little......
[Link: www.palmbeachpost.com...]
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:55:39am |
re: #155 Ben Hur
Apparently, women do not get diarrhea.
Nor bad breath. Women only get the "good" diseases, and then only once a month.
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legalpad Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:55:47am |
re: #112 bellamags
The people watching fox are not the ones needing to be educated. The people watching the LSM are the ones needing the information. They don't watch Fox.
Yes, which is why I am recommending another network, based around entertainment, unlike FOX news. They will watch "The Counter-View", with appropriate celebrities, comedy, and regular News anchors that raise their eyebrows at different things than Peter Jennings did, etc..
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Eowyn2 Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:55:51am |
re: #60 godfrey
So with all this emphasis on his shady connections, does this mean Obama is now considered "qualified" as a candidate?
What happened to "not ready to lead." Has that point been conceded?
Are people forgetting that Obama has no serious executive, legislative, or professional experience?
All he has is advisors, which means that everyone really needs to look at who this nonentity is surrounding himself with.
So make the connection between his shady connections and his inexperience.
This is not a guy you can trust.
of course you can trust him. He doesnt need any kind of real world job experience. he's the one.
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angrywhitedad Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:56:21am |
Thanks for the insight I had no idea that Maine split up it electoral votes.
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Spenser (with an S) Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:56:41am |
re: #149 arethusa
re: #143 Spenser (with an S)
According to his campaign, they are both coming back to MI later this month for 2+ days. I'm planning on going.
So he IS coming back to Michigan? Good news. Are there ads back on there?
Yes, at least in W. MI where we are. They're even spending a precious day in the upper peninsula as I mentioned last week. They must have a lock on the U.P., it's just like Alaska (but with even fewer people). They're on crack or they know something. Crack is not to be ruled out :)
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looking closely Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:56:44am |
re: #107 Alouette
OT
Last night I watched the DVD of "Don't Mess with the Zohan." 90 minutes of my life that I will never get back. That movie sucked like...like...there is no Black Hole in the Universe that sucks as much as that movie did.
. . .
The portrayal of Israelis as hummus-gobbling imbecile DIBs, I have met a few of that species.
I though the portrayal of Israelis in the first ten minutes of the movie was pretty much spot on (and hilarious).
Unfortunately, you can really only fully appreciate it if you've spent a lot of time around Israelis, or some in Israel, and that leaves the remaining 90% of the movie as pure sh*t.
So if you fit into that category, it might be worth watching the first ten minutes, if you can catch it on cable TV. (Certainly not worth a movie rental, though).
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lifeofthemind Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:56:52am |
It did not end with the standard "I am John McCain and I approve this message"
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:56:58am |
re: #153 JohnnyReb
Dead and gone no matter who gets elected. If the MSM all across the board is reporting it, it is dead.
The MSM "all across the board" was reporting about Bill Clinton and his problems. He still remained in office. People put Hillary in the Senate. Nothing stuck to either of them.
ACORN will survive.
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calcajun Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:56:59am |
re: #156 arethusa
Yes - what people tend to forget is that the polls are national. They measure the popular vote. But the Presidency is decided by the electoral vote. So I agree, there must be something that is motivating visits to states that would seem foregone conclusions. Otherwise he would just be in PA, VA, and OH always.
But, for some reason, Bush spent time in CA in 04 when there was no way in hell he would carry the state. Could also be they are trying to make BHO spend more in those Blue states
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DeafDog Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:57:06am |
re: #111 joncelli
NH is up for grabs but Maine is blue. That really is a curious choice.
Main splits their elctoral votes. It's possible to get 1 if you win one of the congressional districts even if you lose the state. So McCain is trying to steal 1 of them.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:57:17am |
re: #162 angrywhitedad
Thanks for the insight I had no idea that Maine split up it electoral votes.
Most people don't until the news-readers start scratching their heads on election night trying to figure it out.
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rawmuse Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:57:29am |
We'll see how much Obama likes "that spirit of insurgency, the spirit of rebellion" after he takes office (heaven forfend) and We the People direct it at him.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:57:52am |
re: #156 arethusa
Yes - what people tend to forget is that the polls are national. They measure the popular vote. But the Presidency is decided by the electoral vote. So I agree, there must be something that is motivating visits to states that would seem foregone conclusions. Otherwise he would just be in PA, VA, and OH always.
Yes- he would not give up on states he HAS to win to waste time in blue states. He's just not that stupid.
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Desert Dog Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:58:10am |
re: #157 Ford_Prefect
The left has never met a "victim" it did not want to pander too. Unless of course, you include newly fleeced tax payers. What is normal is abnormal, what is right is wrong, what is good is bad, what is bad is good...If your reality is a fantasy, everything is possible...
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arethusa Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:58:29am |
re: #162 angrywhitedad
Thanks for the insight I had no idea that Maine split up it electoral votes.
Nebraska does it, too. Obama is trying to get Omaha's electoral vote.
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tradewind Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:58:31am |
re: #172 rawmuse
With a Dhimm congress, Deval Patrick as his AG, and John F'ing Kerry as SecSt, what chance have we got?
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Alouette Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:58:47am |
re: #165 looking closely
I though the portrayal of Israelis in the first ten minutes of the movie was pretty much spot on (and hilarious).
Unfortunately, you can really only fully appreciate it if you've spent a lot of time around Israelis, or some in Israel, and that leaves the remaining 90% of the movie as pure sh*t.
So if you fit into that category, it might be worth watching the first ten minutes, if you can catch it on cable TV. (Certainly not worth a movie rental, though).
I see the Tribe snack foods, Inc. paid a lot of money for product placement.
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Ben Hur Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:59:04am |
re: #107 Alouette
The portrayal of Israelis as hummus-gobbling imbecile DIBs, I have met a few of that species.
90% of the population.
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godfrey Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:59:19am |
re: #163 buzzsawmonkey
Hey buzz, I watched Casablanca again a few nights ago. Great script. I heard they were making that one up as they went along, too, but how can that be if it was based on a play?
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BigJohn Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:59:30am |
re: #158 tradewind
This just made me throw up in my mouth a little......
[Link: www.palmbeachpost.com...]
Ugh.....John Kerry SOS? (Secretary Of State) How sickening.
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rawmuse Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:59:42am |
re: #177 tradewind
With a Dhimm congress, Deval Patrick as his AG, and John F'ing Kerry as SecSt, what chance have we got?
Without going sideways of the Terms of Use, that is about all I can say.
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:59:53am |
re: #36 opnion
When the Ayers Association surfaced, the Obama Campaign put out a ststement, that Ayers is just a neighborhood guy that Obama knew from their children going to school together.
The Obama children are grade schoolers & Ayers kids are adults.
Maybe the Ayers kids are slow adults.
/from all those drugs their parents took
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semper gumbi Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:00:00pm |
re: #111 joncelli
NH is up for grabs but Maine is blue. That really is a curious choice.
Maine, Like Nebraska, apportions electoral college votes by district. There is one district in Maine that could potentially be red (just as Nebraska's first district (Omaha) could be blue.
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offendi Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:00:07pm |
McCain still can win this. Question is does he want to?
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arethusa Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:00:27pm |
re: #180 godfrey
Hey buzz, I watched Casablanca again a few nights ago. Great script. I heard they were making that one up as they went along, too, but how can that be if it was based on a play?
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:00:35pm |
re: #181 BigJohn
Ugh.....John Kerry SOS? (Secretary Of State) How sickening.
I see lots of nuance in our future.
/and not a few mushroom clouds.
Let's win this for the good guys!
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arethusa Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:01:05pm |
re: #185 offendi
McCain still can win this. Question is does he want to?
Doesn't matter what he wants anymore. We should go for the candidate WE want.
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unreconstructed rebel Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:01:18pm |
I see that after The One stopped yakkin', markets resumed upward.
When was his speech? Hint: look at the daily graph for the DOW.
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Florida Lady Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:01:24pm |
re: #111 joncelli
NH is up for grabs but Maine is blue. That really is a curious choice.
Maine splits its electoral votes. That makes sense.
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debutaunt Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:01:31pm |
re: #100 Penguinchic
Not just men, I read today that he thinks women need to enroll in selective service, so he would draft them as well.
Singing and chanting - it's gonna be fun.
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JacksonTn Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:01:31pm |
re: #121 buzzsawmonkey
I have heard people say that "maybe" Ayers, and Obama, have "grown past" Ayers' radicalism. There is, of course, no evidence whatever for this--it is a comforting rationalization indulged in by people who are trying to justify their Obama votes.
The fact that Ayers' kids are named after violent revolutionaries, as is Boudin's, and that Boudin opted to have Ayers, her Weather Underground compadre, raise her child over anyone chosen by her radical immediate family, shows where the ties are, and where their sympathies lie.
For that matter, even if Obama had remained willfully ignorant of Ayers' past--which I do not for one minute believe--the names of Ayers' children would have been a giveaway to anyone with a minimal college education of who Ayers was and where his sympathies were.
Chesa Boudin ..... has adopted all his parents beliefs about America ..... how could he not when he was raised by Ayers/Dohrn ....... Obama is just a friggin liar ........ no other way to say it ...... SOCIALIST ANTI-AMERICAN LIAR
*** from the Slate article I posted on Chesa Boudin:
To make clear he has embraced the ideology of all his parents, he observes: "We have a different name for the war we're fighting now—now we call it the war on terrorism, then they called it the war on communism. My parents were all dedicated to fighting U.S. imperialism around the world. I'm dedicated to the same thing." Has no one ever told this young man that communism oppressed millions? Was he too busy reading the profile of his adoptive father—himself a terrorist —on Sept. 11 to understand the significance of that day? Is his really the kind of "potential for leadership"—as described by Elliot Gerson of the Rhodes Scholarship Trust—that should be rewarded?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:01:39pm |
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legalpad Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:01:40pm |
re: #114 JohnAdams
Did you see Stone's Alexander? I got so bored with his constant hints and reminders that "Alexander was bi-sexual", it was like that was all the movie was about. 300 made a better point about the clash of cultures of the time, and the difference it made to Western Civilization.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:01:44pm |
re: #168 calcajun
But, for some reason, Bush spent time in CA in 04 when there was no way in hell he would carry the state. Could also be they are trying to make BHO spend more in those Blue states
Palin was just in Cali too. I think it's important to continue to work California. Like many other blue states, it's the population centers that turn the state blue, whereas the rest of the state votes red. When you look at the election map from 2000 and 2004 broken down my county, you'll see many blue states are quite red. It's a boost for those of us stuck in these "blue" states to know we're not alone- the party and our candidates still think of us. And- it makes the dems have to spend more money too.
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Desert Dog Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:02:01pm |
re: #162 angrywhitedad
Thanks for the insight I had no idea that Maine split up it electoral votes.
I wonder who would win if all states had that kind of electoral allotments? First past the post gives the Dems some juicy prizes: California and New York. Obama won the nomination because he did not lose the big states by much...he still hung close to Hildebeast by getting votes in all the proportional races. She would have won if she got all the votes from the states she won, and it would not have been close either.
It does not matter for 2008 as that system is not in play, but I am still curious to see how close the race would be if they did a proportional count.
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SecondComing Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:02:25pm |
here's a nice lil cartoon:
[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]
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BigJohn Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:02:33pm |
re: #185 offendi
McCain still can win this. Question is does he want to?
It is as close as the 2000 and 2004.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:02:47pm |
Please remember- the polls showed Carter up by 3% before the election in 1980.
Reagan won by 10%.
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Ben Hur Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:03:13pm |
Former global leaders in Iran to support Khatami
former Irish president, Mary Robinson.
former prime ministers of Italy and France, Romano Prodi and Lionel Jospin.
former Portuguese president Jorge Sampaio.
Sri Lankan ex-president Chandrika Kumaratunga.
Sudan's former prime minister Sadeq al-Mahdi and former UNESCO director general Federico Mayor.
Annan and several others among the visiting dignitaries will make a trip on Tuesday evening and Wednesday to Yazd, Khatami's birthplace in central Iran.
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faraway Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:03:24pm |
Dept of Defense: Cindy Sheehan
Dept of UFOs: Dennis Kucinich
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lawhawk Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:03:59pm |
OT:
Bloomberg's affordable housing program - to build 165k of new affordable housing units is being blown out of the water by the toxic paper mess - because it was to be funded by ... wait for it... Washington Mutual, Wachovia and Fannie Mae.
Ah, the paragons of virtue and liquidity.
Yeah, how affordable is that affordable housing? Trillions of dollars in lost costs because of the push for "affordable housing" that is anything but.
If you want or need headlines to tie Obama to the financial mess, that's it.
Oh, and the reason that there's a shortage of affordable housing in NYC? Zoning regulations, rent stabilization, etc., limit what can be built and the high construction costs of doing business in the City...
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looking closely Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:04:07pm |
re: #151 Ben Hur
They are unassailable.
They brush off any critisism with "They always blame the media." It's their shield.
And their sword is, "Questions still remain."
The answer to a leftist media isn't to assail the media.
The answer is a dropping of the pretense of media impartiality (since it doesn't exist), and generation of a strong RIGHTIST media.
In other words, there simply aren't enough consumer goods in the marketplace of ideas. If there were more Foxes, CNN would be weaker.
I don't know exactly how to "get there" with the bulk of legacy media owned by leftists, and the bulk of individuals entering the field themselves leftist, but I don't think this is insurmountable.
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Cognito Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:04:26pm |
Holy moly.
GM is up almost a third, today. A THIRD.
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twincitiesgirl Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:04:34pm |
re: #201 Sharmuta
Thanks Sharmuta for your consistently encouraging (and informative) posts.
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Desert Dog Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:04:54pm |
re: #203 faraway
Dept of Defense: Cindy Sheehan
Dept of UFOs: Dennis Kucinich
Dept of IRS Collections: Paulie Walnuts
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looking closely Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:05:32pm |
re: #186 Alouette
Now you know why they elect idiots like Olmert and Livni.
Olmert was never elected (he took office after Sharon was incapacitated), and IIRC neither was Livni (yet).
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Who Watches the Watchmen? Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:05:41pm |
re: #194 Walter L. Newton
It had all his heros in it. Germans, French, you get it.
And he obviously learned damage control from Renault.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:05:56pm |
re: #207 twincitiesgirl
You're welcome. I said before, and I'll say again: I may well have to resign myself to an 0bama presidency, but I'll be damned if I do it before November 5th!
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arethusa Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:06:00pm |
re: #197 Desert Dog
I wonder who would win if all states had that kind of electoral allotments? First past the post gives the Dems some juicy prizes: California and New York. Obama won the nomination because he did not lose the big states by much...he still hung close to Hildebeast by getting votes in all the proportional races. She would have won if she got all the votes from the states she won, and it would not have been close either.
It does not matter for 2008 as that system is not in play, but I am still curious to see how close the race would be if they did a proportional count.
I think it would look a lot like Congress. The best way to do such a system (the way ME and NE do it, I assume) is to give two electoral at-large votes (equals the Senators) to whoever wins the popular vote in that state. Then each Congressional District would get its own electoral vote. So I'm assuming this year, Obama would win under such a system.
Winner-take-all usually benefits Republicans. Congress has been Democratic for much of our recent history (say, the last 100 years). And such a system would tie the legislative and executive branches too closely for my taste.
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joncelli Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:06:12pm |
Dow at 9088.29, up 637.10. Unreconstructed Rebel has a good idea; make a commercial with Obambi speaking in one pane and a graph of the Dow tanking in the other. Dow goes down as he speaks, recovers when he stops. An image everybody can understand, I think.
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:06:17pm |
re: #199 BigJohn
It is as close as the 2000 and 2004.
It wouldn't be if all those assholes who promised to leave when Bush was elected had actually followed thru.
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Kreuzueber Halbmond Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:06:26pm |
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runrabbitrun Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:06:48pm |
I like the ad, but I'm still disappointed by the lack of emphasis on the connection between Ayers radical policy goals, and Obama's. People know Ayers was a terrorist, and know that Obama is NOT a terrorist, so they do not conclude the danger of the alliance - just the far-less-damaging 'poor judgement'. Not enough to sink the Obamanator.
That's why I agree with other lizards who believe the Ayers moment is past and lost. Obama's Acorn connection lies, and a coherent, crisply summarized economic plan, should be at the top of McCain's message now.
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semper gumbi Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:07:06pm |
re: #201 Sharmuta
Please remember- the polls showed Carter up by 3% before the election in 1980.
Reagan won by 10%.
That really doesn't make me feel better, as Obama is in the same position as Reagan was: Of the party NOT in power during bad economic times.
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offendi Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:07:11pm |
re: #186 Alouette
Now you know why they elect idiots like Olmert and Livni.
Actually Olmert was elected based on his claims he would follow the policies of Arik Sharon. He really did not. Livni was elected by a few votes as head of Kadima over Shaul Mofaz, if she runs against Netanyahu she will lose according to all polls.
Israelis are only as stupid as Americans. Would we be posting this comments at all if the American people were intelligent enough to figure out a vote for Obama is a bad idea? Freiers in both countries it seems.
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Who Watches the Watchmen? Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:07:20pm |
re: #211 Sharmuta
You're welcome. I said before, and I'll say again: I may well have to resign myself to an 0bama presidency, but I'll be damned if I do it before November 5th!
If the worst should come to pass, he had better do his damage in his first two years. America will wake up and send him a Republican Congress in 2010.
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quickredfox Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:08:12pm |
re: #135 Tricky Dick
OT
Check out the photo of Obama in front of the Ohio flag. Is there some kind of contest going on among photographers for getting halo shots of The One?
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lawhawk Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:08:14pm |
OT:
New flaming skull time from Ace... he's reporting that ACORN will be slammed hard tomorrow with the feds filing RICO charges in OH. Considering the source, I say that's pretty good odds of that happening. Whether it will have the kind of impact that an October surprise should have... I'm not so sure. The feds will probably limit the damage to that which was wrought in OH, even though they repeat their tactics nationwide.
McCain has to make the connection and do so in a way that makes sense and clearly shows that Obama has not only deep ties with the group, but that they share a message of redistribution of wealth that goes against what most Americans stand for.
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WrathofG-d Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:08:18pm |
Yea but Obama was only 8 when it happened.
(which is exactly why I associate with the Neo-Nazis...I wasn't even alive during WW2, so I know its ok)
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unreconstructed rebel Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:08:34pm |
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:09:12pm |
re: #219 Who Watches the Watchmen?
If the worst should come to pass, he had better do his damage in his first two years. America will wake up and send him a Republican Congress in 2010.
I'm still not willing to fully believe such things will be allowed by 2010... one party rule, comrade.
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unrealizedviewpoint Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:09:15pm |
re: #213 joncelli
Dow at 9088.29, up 637.10. Unreconstructed Rebel has a good idea; make a commercial with Obambi speaking in one pane and a graph of the Dow tanking in the other. Dow goes down as he speaks, recovers when he stops. An image everybody can understand, I think.
Include an image of a 401K statement with a charting arrow pointing down-down-down.
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godfrey Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:09:47pm |
re: #216 runrabbitrun
Connect it to his security clearance. Given these connections, would you give Obama the highest security clearance in the country?
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Perry Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:09:49pm |
re: #185 offendi
McCain still can win this. Question is does he want to?
JohnGaltLives posted a transscript McCain's speech from today on the Obama/Economy thread:
I know what fear feels like. It's a thief in the night who robs your strength.I know what hopelessness feels like. It's an enemy who defeats your will.
I felt those things once before. I will never let them in again. I'm an American. And I choose to fight.
Don't give up hope. Be strong. Have courage. And fight.
Fight for a new direction for our country.
Fight for what's right for America.
Fight to clean up the mess of corruption, infighting and selfishness in Washington.
Fight to get our economy out of the ditch and back in the lead.
Fight for the ideals and character of a free people.
Fight for our children's future.
Fight for justice and opportunity for all.
Stand up to defend our country from its enemies.
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Desert Dog Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:09:52pm |
re: #212 arethusa
You are probably right, so let's just leave it like this then! ha ha
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:10:04pm |
re: #217 semper gumbi
That really doesn't make me feel better, as Obama is in the same position as Reagan was: Of the party NOT in power during bad economic times.
What are you talking about? Times aren't so bad. There is gas, there is food, unemployment is low. It's not good, but it's not bad. We can and will recover.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:10:44pm |
re: #224 unreconstructed rebel
My ears are popping!
I should have said Hannity started his show saying that.
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FrogMarch Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:10:46pm |
Hey, Why Not Just Ban Foreclosures Forever?!
The crawl underneath a speaking Obama on Fox News right now:"Obama: Propose a 3-month moratorium on foreclosures."
Why stop there?
Apparently it would only apply to banks that are part of the $850 billion rescue/bailout package. Of course, foreclosures, unpleasant as they can be, are part of the process of taking a house away from someone who won't or can't pay for it and putting in someone who can and will. They're one of the ways that banks that loan money for mortgages can fix the problem of someone not meeting their contract, their promise, to pay what they owe. And if somebody can't pay a reset adjustable-rate-mortgage or what have you, I don't know what a three month extension is really going to do, particularly if the economy is heading into a recession. You either foreclose now, or you foreclose three months from now.
Of course, once you enact that moratorium, you'll hear people insisting it needs to be extended...
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unreconstructed rebel Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:10:53pm |
re: #227 unrealizedviewpoint
Include an image of a 401K statement with a charting arrow pointing down-down-down.
I would stay away from 401Ks just now. Waaaaay too much emotion around those.
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legalpad Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:10:56pm |
re: #223 WrathofG-d
Yea but Obama was only 8 when it happened.
(which is exactly why I associate with the Neo-Nazis...I wasn't even alive during WW2, so I know its ok)
Perfect! lol! I know where to find some in my neighborhood. I'll have a fund raiser there!
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:11:07pm |
re: #219 Who Watches the Watchmen?
If the worst should come to pass, he had better do his damage in his first two years. America will wake up and send him a Republican Congress in 2010.
That's exactly what the PUMAs have been saying. And it's likely he would lose re-election as well.
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Desert Dog Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:11:26pm |
re: #234 unreconstructed rebel
I would stay away from 401Ks just now. Waaaaay too much emotion around those.
Yes, they are now 101Ks or lower
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offendi Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:11:37pm |
re: #199 BigJohn
It is as close as the 2000 and 2004.
Bush wanted to win. McCain wants to be "nice".
Wonder how a Romney/Palin ticket would have done.
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:11:53pm |
re: #226 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
I'm still not willing to fully believe such things will be allowed by 2010... one party rule, comrade.
A 2 party system is not in the people's best interests. So confusing. Better if there was only one party who will take care of them and they can worry about the latest celebu-slut and fashion trends.
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Alouette Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:12:01pm |
re: #209 looking closely
Olmert was never elected (he took office after Sharon was incapacitated), and IIRC neither was Livni (yet).
Olmert won elections held shortly after Sharon's stroke. Everybody was expecting Sharon to wake up any minute.
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alien_mind Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:12:15pm |
McCain can and will win this. he is just on the cusp of building some momentum. I'm predicting a strong debate performance, followed by an enthusiastic 2 week race to the finish, the time when many of the undecided types finally really started thinking about who they might pull the lever for. this is when I think all of Obama's chickens will come home to roost, as the good reverend would say.
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unreconstructed rebel Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:12:20pm |
re: #228 godfrey
Connect it to his security clearance. Given these connections, would you give Obama the highest security clearance in the country?
I have friends who reported how tough it was trying to brief Cinton.
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unrealizedviewpoint Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:12:44pm |
re: #234 unreconstructed rebel
I would stay away from 401Ks just now. Waaaaay too much emotion around those.
Is that not the problem with the McCain campaign? NO EFFIN' EMOTION!
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:13:08pm |
re: #222 lawhawk
OT:
New flaming skull time from Ace... he's reporting that ACORN will be slammed hard tomorrow with the feds filing RICO charges in OH. Considering the source, I say that's pretty good odds of that happening. Whether it will have the kind of impact that an October surprise should have... I'm not so sure. The feds will probably limit the damage to that which was wrought in OH, even though they repeat their tactics nationwide.McCain has to make the connection and do so in a way that makes sense and clearly shows that Obama has not only deep ties with the group, but that they share a message of redistribution of wealth that goes against what most Americans stand for.
With, what? 13 state investigations and offices being raided... a connect-the-dots RICO case tying the whole sordid organization together with clear ties to Zero would be the ultimate October Surprise.
I love the smell of perp walks in the morning...
/having Fitzgerald, the Left's favorite prosecutor, doing it is just icing on the cake... or was it pie... yeah, pie...
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:13:23pm |
re: #243 unreconstructed rebel
I have friends who reported how tough it was trying to brief Cinton.
De-briefing him was relatively easy. Just ask Monica.
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Desert Dog Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:13:27pm |
re: #236 Sharmuta
I keep hearing about the PUMAs. Do you think there are that many that will cross over to the "right" (and correct, too) side? Hillary and Obama are closer in world outlook and policy goals than McCain and Obama. I guess the way Obama ran against Hillary really pissed some people off?
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Perry Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:13:47pm |
re: #239 joncelli
I'm holding my breath. That's the McCain I like and agree wih occassionally. Right now I'd love to argue with him for the next 4 years.
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:13:51pm |
re: #246 buzzsawmonkey
Ms. Lewinsky, however, reports that de-briefing him was not particularly difficult.
GMTA
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yma o hyd Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:13:53pm |
re: #238 offendi
Bush wanted to win. McCain wants to be "nice".
Wonder how a Romney/Palin ticket would have done.
Futile speculation - Romney would not have taken Palin as his running mate.
A Romney/ xxx ticket would have already been blown out of the water by the msm-B0 campaign, imho.
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Ben Hur Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:13:54pm |
re: #205 looking closely
The answer to a leftist media isn't to assail the media.
The answer is a dropping of the pretense of media impartiality (since it doesn't exist), and generation of a strong RIGHTIST media.
In other words, there simply aren't enough consumer goods in the marketplace of ideas. If there were more Foxes, CNN would be weaker.
I don't know exactly how to "get there" with the bulk of legacy media owned by leftists, and the bulk of individuals entering the field themselves leftist, but I don't think this is insurmountable.
What's strange is that I have a tough time considering Fox and right wing news source.
Whereas it is clear that WABC Talk Radio is on the right, the only thing FoxNews has done is actually give conservatives equal time.
The days are over when the MSM would cite some "think tank" and not tell you that it was a LLL partisan organization.
Or having a Dem make his point for most of the report, only to have, if at all, a Rep get a quick sound bite at the end.
The demonization of Fox is/was a page out of a leftist playbook.
I've referred to this before but if you read Woodward's book, The Agenda about the first Clinton campaign, Hillary makes a very revealing point during an internal economic plan debate.
Her stance was that everything has a good guy and a bad guy.
As postmodernists, they form the "narrative" - just like HIS campaign - truth doesn't matter, just who controls the narrative.
It's utter BS.
Fox is successful, therefore the Bad Guy and must be demonized.
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fish Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:14:01pm |
re: #49 Slumbering Behemoth
You're wrong, Election Day is Nov. 6th. ;)
I thought you could vote anytime you want by texting the name of your Candidate to Vote08.
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:14:08pm |
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arethusa Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:14:12pm |
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looking closely Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:14:14pm |
re: #216 runrabbitrun
I like the ad, but I'm still disappointed by the lack of emphasis on the connection between Ayers radical policy goals, and Obama's. People know Ayers was a terrorist, and know that Obama is NOT a terrorist, so they do not conclude the danger of the alliance - just the far-less-damaging 'poor judgement'. Not enough to sink the Obamanator.
That's why I agree with other lizards who believe the Ayers moment is past and lost. Obama's Acorn connection lies, and a coherent, crisply summarized economic plan, should be at the top of McCain's message now.
Didn't Obama actually represent ACORN in a lawsuit forcing a bank to issue risky mortgages?
Obama is PERSONALLY knee-deep in the sub-prime mess, and that bears pointing out. . .
McCain's problem isn't that he doesn't hit these points, its that his delivery is so goddamn awful when he does.
"Senator Obama talks about affordable housing. I must say its a lot easier to afford housing when a convicted felon helps you fund your home purchase".
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unreconstructed rebel Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:14:36pm |
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debutaunt Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:14:53pm |
re: #187 arethusa
What a delightful interview. Barry has replaced his stutter/stammer with "you know?"
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offendi Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:14:54pm |
re: #241 Alouette
Olmert won elections held shortly after Sharon's stroke. Everybody was expecting Sharon to wake up any minute.
I would rather have had Arik running the country in a coma than Olmert.
He has as much millitary experience as Obama.
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JacksonTn Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:14:55pm |
re: #248 Desert Dog
I keep hearing about the PUMAs. Do you think there are that many that will cross over to the "right" (and correct, too) side? Hillary and Obama are closer in world outlook and policy goals than McCain and Obama. I guess the way Obama ran against Hillary really pissed some people off?
Yes.
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HDrepub Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:14:56pm |
re: #228 godfrey
Connect it to his security clearance. Given these connections, would you give Obama the highest security clearance in the country?
I emailed those sentiments to the McCain campaign the other day, for all the good it will do, but at least I made my opinion known. Obama couldn't pass a background check for a military security clearance, but he wants to be Commander-in-Chief.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:15:31pm |
re: #245 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
With, what? 13 state investigations and offices being raided... a connect-the-dots RICO case tying the whole sordid organization together with clear ties to Zero would be the ultimate October Surprise.
I love the smell of perp walks in the morning...
/having Fitzgerald, the Left's favorite prosecutor, doing it is just icing on the cake... or was it pie... yeah, pie...
This must be used in the debate. The time is right for McCain to demand that Obama throw ACORN under the bus. If pushed, Obama might do that, and alienate his base in so doing.
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Tamron Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:15:41pm |
re: #222 lawhawk
OT:
New flaming skull time from Ace... he's reporting that ACORN will be slammed hard tomorrow with the feds filing RICO charges in OH. Considering the source, I say that's pretty good odds of that happening. Whether it will have the kind of impact that an October surprise should have... I'm not so sure. The feds will probably limit the damage to that which was wrought in OH, even though they repeat their tactics nationwide.McCain has to make the connection and do so in a way that makes sense and clearly shows that Obama has not only deep ties with the group, but that they share a message of redistribution of wealth that goes against what most Americans stand for.
Obama video: AFTER THE ELECTION, ACORN WILL HELP SHAPE HIS ADMINISTRATION'S AGENDA.
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:15:43pm |
re: #227 unrealizedviewpoint
Include an image of a 401K statement with a charting arrow pointing down-down-down.
That will hit more people.
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semper gumbi Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:15:51pm |
re: #231 Sharmuta
What are you talking about? Times aren't so bad. There is gas, there is food, unemployment is low. It's not good, but it's not bad. We can and will recover.
You, I and the rest of the political junkies know that, but the chattering classes that are just now tuning into the election are being convinced by Obama and his pals in the old media that the sky is falling - depression is here - and it's all Bush and the Republicans fault!
Don't get me wrong, I'm not declaring early defeat, I still think McCain can win this. The big difference is that Reagan WAS ready to lead in 1980 and Obama certainly isn't in 2008 - now we and the MCain campaign have to convince the chattering classes.
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lawhawk Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:15:51pm |
re: #245 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Fitzgerald isn't the left's favorite prosecutor for one simple reason. No Rove perp walk. There was no Fitzmas.
And to expect one now - in the form of an October surprise isn't likely either. It will not be nearly as extensive as you would hope, especially if you're hoping to take down that corrupt organization.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:16:30pm |
re: #248 Desert Dog
I keep hearing about the PUMAs. Do you think there are that many that will cross over to the "right" (and correct, too) side? Hillary and Obama are closer in world outlook and policy goals than McCain and Obama. I guess the way Obama ran against Hillary really pissed some people off?
Yes- there are 5- 7 million of them according to Lynn Rothschild, Hillary supporter and head of Democrats for McCain.
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arethusa Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:16:31pm |
re: #259 debutaunt
What a delightful interview. Barry has replaced his stutter/stammer with "you know?"
I'm going to point that out to the next person who tells me Palin's "ya know" drives him/her nuts!
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:16:35pm |
Re: My deleted #118- Sorry Charles! Brain cramp...
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:16:42pm |
re: #252 yma o hyd
Futile speculation - Romney would not have taken Palin as his running mate.
A Romney/ xxx ticket would have already been blown out of the water by the msm-B0 campaign, imho.
concur.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:17:06pm |
re: #248 Desert Dog
I keep hearing about the PUMAs. Do you think there are that many that will cross over to the "right" (and correct, too) side? Hillary and Obama are closer in world outlook and policy goals than McCain and Obama. I guess the way Obama ran against Hillary really pissed some people off?
Yes, they will and yes they are. Ideology aside, they want their girl to be president. The only way that can happen is if Zero gets deep-sixed and she can run in 2012.
They know this.
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Desert Dog Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:17:37pm |
re: #263 Dark_Falcon
This must be used in the debate. The time is right for McCain to demand that Obama throw ACORN under the bus. If pushed, Obama might do that, and alienate his base in so doing.
He threw is own Grandma under the bus, ACORN is going down there too and soon. And, once that is done, Obama will play all innocent and above it all....."Why, that is the ACORN I knew!"
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looking closely Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:17:44pm |
re: #222 lawhawk
OT:
New flaming skull time from Ace... he's reporting that ACORN will be slammed hard tomorrow with the feds filing RICO charges in OH.
Whether or not this hurts Obama remains to be seen (though it sure ought to), but more important the timing here is good as a bunch of RICO indictments ought to have a chilling effect on attempted voter fraud by ACORN.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:17:50pm |
re: #267 lawhawk
Fitzgerald isn't the left's favorite prosecutor for one simple reason. No Rove perp walk. There was no Fitzmas.
And to expect one now - in the form of an October surprise isn't likely either. It will not be nearly as extensive as you would hope, especially if you're hoping to take down that corrupt organization.
Ok, ok... he _was_ their favorite.
/tough crowd.
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unreconstructed rebel Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:18:09pm |
re: #269 arethusa
I'm going to point that out to the next person who tells me Palin's "ya know" drives him/her nuts!
Oh, I don't know. Four years of that could well send the LLL off the cliff.
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Perry Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:18:22pm |
re: #272 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Yes, they will and yes they are. Ideology aside, they want their girl to be president. The only way that can happen is if Zero gets deep-sixed and she can run in 2012.
They know this.
Hence the Clintons filing the RICO suit.
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Ayatollah Ghilmeini Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:19:24pm |
John, use this speech:
Full Steam Ahead!
My grandfather looked out from the bridge of his carrier and looked in all directions to see the mightiest armada the world has ever seen, steaming towards victory. My father stood on the border of North Vietnam and wondered where his son is. Today I say to the American people, what my father and grandfather would say if they were here: FULL STEAM AHEAD. In the face of perilous times and tremendous difficulties, America is faced with a stark and real choice: between my proven record of leadership and accountability in public office against a man with no record of ever delivering anything and no proven ability accept to make friends with people most Americans would have nothing to do with.
In the great tradition of Admiral Dewey, Damn the torpedoes! Full steam ahead.
We are the United States of America, we are even now rebounding from a financial catastrophe unprecedented in our lifetimes. But our nation is strong we need the most solid proven leadership we can get. I did everything I could to prevent Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac from tanking the banking system but Washington's ingrained political-financial power structures prevented my bills which would have saved hundreds of billions of dollars had they become law. The junior Senator from Illinois was too happy to stop the ship of state to cash their campaign contributions.
Senator Obama's whole campaign last year was about Iraq and how the surge was failing. Now proven 100% wrong, he says nothing about Iraq because he has nothing to say about and nothing to do with US success in Iraq. He did attempt to get Iraq's nascent government to delay political power sharing for HIS political campaign's benefit. If this is the kind of candidate he is, we should ask what kind of deals he would make if he were elected President. He has put his political interests before the country's; this is nothing short of shameful.
Whether we like it or not, this nation is war, a war that needs to be won. We face real enemies who must be confronted and prevented from getting nuclear weapons. Senator Obama is rightly perceived as a weakling by America's enemies. He has no foreign policy experience other than managing to safely land in Berlin and give a speech. He never held a single hearing as chair of his Senate subcommittee. In his speeches he has undivided then redivided Jerusalem within the space of two days; America's allies need to be able to rely on our President. In international affairs your word means everything and he has already shown his word is worth nothing.
In 1940, Churchill could only promise the British people blood, sweat and tears, America, I promise you that as president, I will bring this nation together and lead us together into a better future for all. I will cut taxes and cut government; I will fix our schools by breaking the shackles that prevent our kids from getting the best public education they can get. I will fix our health care system by driving down costs, lowering the cost of getting drugs to market, while opening new doors for research and new treatments. I fix the broken ethics of Washington and require that all Federal business be done openly and without even the appearance of impropriety. I will attack government contracting corruption and waste. Most importantly, if I am given the honor of serving as President, in my presidency, I will firmly set America on a path to energy independence through a massive effort centered around, nuclear, clean coal, geothermal, tidal, wind and solar. Before I leave office, you will be able to say that I took the first steps needed to set America free. I say Full Steam Ahead for Energy Independence and the millions of jobs it will create and prospects of huge exports to the energy hungry markets of the world.
These are difficult times and require the strongest possible leadership. I promise you that if America places me at the helm, I will sail the ship of state to clear air and calm waters just as my fathers before me.
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offendi Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:19:30pm |
re: #252 yma o hyd
Futile speculation - Romney would not have taken Palin as his running mate.
A Romney/ xxx ticket would have already been blown out of the water by the msm-B0 campaign, imho.
Romney is youthful and telegenic. His business experience would have blown Barack out of the water, especially now. McCain's lack of economic experience is responsible for his present condition, lurching about everywhere while Obama seemed cool and collected on the economy. Presidential. McCain looked buffoonish suspending his campaign and then rushing to endorse a bailout of Wall Street when people opposed it.
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HoosierHoops Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:19:36pm |
re: #240 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
A 2 party system is not in the people's best interests. So confusing. Better if there was only one party who will take care of them and they can worry about the latest celebu-slut and fashion trends.
/
Speaking of which..Haven't heard much about Paris Hilton Lately..
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yma o hyd Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:19:45pm |
re: #274 looking closely
Whether or not this hurts Obama remains to be seen (though it sure ought to), but more important the timing here is good as a bunch of RICO indictments ought to have a chilling effect on attempted voter fraud by ACORN.
It should also help when argueing with fence sitters, as this is certainly not something 'cooked up' by 'right-wing bloggers on the internet' to damage B0 ...
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unreconstructed rebel Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:19:51pm |
re: #277 Perry
Hence the Clintons filing the RICO suit.
HA! I was wondering how they were going to maneuver out of the box they're in.
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:19:56pm |
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:20:26pm |
Zogby has the race within 4%.
What's interesting here is two things- one, McCain is trending up, 0bama down.
Two- the undecideds are actually growing up 1.5% from a week ago.
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looking closely Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:20:28pm |
re: #260 offendi
I would rather have had Arik running the country in a coma than Olmert.
He has as much millitary experience as Obama.
Surely you mean the brain-dead Sharon is equivalent in skill to Obama.
General Sharon was actually a military genius.
Olmert, by the way, does have military experience (as does just about every Israeli adult due to compulsory service requirements there), meaning he's got more than Obama.
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FrogMarch Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:20:37pm |
McCain has some work to do.
Voters Think McCain Will Raise Taxes, and Obama Will Lower Them?
From the Washington Post poll:
a ponzi scheme is not a tax cut.
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wright1 Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:20:42pm |
I like it and I disagree with the pundits who are urging McCain to hit BHO on the economy. We can run a campaign that is multi-dimensional in attacks. This issue does resonate more than the elites think. Nor does it exclude attacks on Fannie Mae, Acorn, Reszko or any other issue. Remember, the barometer for effectiveness is usually the MSM - when it gets under their skin, it is usually working. And the MSM hates this play.
Just like they are fearful of the "emotion" at McCain rallies.
In my view, the answer is to continue to bring the pain.
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Tamron Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:21:06pm |
re: #228 godfrey
Connect it to his security clearance. Given these connections, would you give Obama the highest security clearance in the country?
Honestly. Someone with Obama's background who applied through standard channels, would be refused the job of dishwasher or janitor in the White House. Too dangerous to the security of the country.
Exactly who pulled the strings to help Obama bypass those basic requirements? Soros and friends? Or was it a slow cook-the-frog process, and we're the frogs?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:21:23pm |
re: #273 Desert Dog
He threw is own Grandma under the bus, ACORN is going down there too and soon. And, once that is done, Obama will play all innocent and above it all....."Why, that is the ACORN I knew!"
Let him try. All we need to do is read out the indictment. McCain should do that in lieu of an opening statement on Wednesday. Obama is too deep in this to get away clean. Not even Billy Flynn could spin him out of looking like a thug.
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Desert Dog Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:21:47pm |
Bush better hope McCain wins because the safety will be off and the Dems will come with pitchforks and torches for his head. (Cheney's too).
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tfc3rid Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:21:55pm |
re: #137 Sharmuta
McCain/Palin have also spent time in the upper mid-west blue states of Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa and Michigan. I simply cannot believe that if the race in the battleground states were as tight as the polls are telling us, that McCain would waste his time in blue states- I just don't think he's that stupid.
There is something going on- McCain's numbers must be showing him he can make a move on these blue states and leave the battleground, or we would not be seeing this.
One would hope that was the case but I can't really believe that one bit... The whole campaign seems very disjointed... Palin should be campaigning in PA and OH and McCain in FL, NM and CO...
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looking closely Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:22:13pm |
re: #269 arethusa
I'm going to point that out to the next person who tells me Palin's "ya know" drives him/her nuts!
Yah. Your text to link...
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Spellcheck Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:22:26pm |
Michelle Malkin has this - not a pretty post. :-(
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joncelli Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:23:00pm |
re: #284 Sharmuta
That's people who pull the lever for the D without thinking finally taking a look at the Messiah and going "Whoa! Huh?"
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:23:00pm |
re: #288 Tamron
Honestly. Someone with Obama's background who applied through standard channels, would be refused the job of dishwasher or janitor in the White House. Too dangerous to the security of the country.
Exactly who pulled the strings to help Obama bypass those basic requirements? Soros and friends? Or was it a slow cook-the-frog process, and we're the frogs?
.
POTUS isn't required to pass a security clearance. It's just handed to him on a silver platter with the keys to the kingdom when he puts his hand on the Koran.
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unreconstructed rebel Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:23:01pm |
re: #288 Tamron
Honestly. Someone with Obama's background who applied through standard channels, would be refused the job of dishwasher or janitor in the White House. Too dangerous to the security of the country.
Exactly who pulled the strings to help Obama bypass those basic requirements? Soros and friends? Or was it a slow cook-the-frog process, and we're the frogs?
.
As has been pointed out earlier, sensitive subjects during the Clinton visitation was handled by Monica.
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unrealizedviewpoint Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:23:18pm |
re: #286 FrogMarch
McCain has some work to do.
Voters Think McCain Will Raise Taxes, and Obama Will Lower Them?
From the Washington Post poll:a ponzi scheme is not a tax cut.
Bambi's commercial spots are darn good.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:23:24pm |
re: #278 Ayatollah Ghilmeini
Dear John McCain- please hire AG to write your speeches!
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subsailor68 Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:23:43pm |
OT, but perhaps not.
Obama is speaking on the economy, and his spokes folks are out flogging the 95% of Americans will get a tax cut under his plan.
Question: If approx. 40+ percent of taxpayers pay no "federal income tax", where does their cut come from?
I'm no expert (believe me), but it seems to me that if it is a refundable "credit" against no taxes paid, it is not a "cut", but rather a redistribution of income from those who don't get the cut.
If, on the other hand, Obama is not proposing a "credit", it seems to me the only way to "cut" what those who pay no "income tax" are paying would be to cut their FICA tax (or that percentage the employee pays).
If that's the case, is Obama proposing to eliminate FICA for that 40% of non-income tax paying folks? Thus further increasing the burden of supporting Social Security and Medicare on a smaller percentage of the population?
If I'm wrong, someone here please help me out. If I'm right, isn't that a fair question for Sen. McCain to ask Sen. Obama?
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KingKenrod Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:24:29pm |
re: #284 Sharmuta
Zogby has the race within 4%.
What's interesting here is two things- one, McCain is trending up, 0bama down.
Two- the undecideds are actually growing up 1.5% from a week ago.
I think Obama's surge (no pun intended) is entirely based around fear and uncertainty over the economy. People feel Obama will take care of them if things get really bad. If the markets are quiet and there's no disastrous economic news in the weeks leading up to the election, McCain's got a fair shot.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:24:51pm |
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:24:54pm |
re: #284 Sharmuta
Two- the undecideds are actually growing up 1.5% from a week ago.
And I'd be tempted to be a rent payment that the great majority of those were previously "in the Obama column".
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runrabbitrun Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:25:04pm |
re: #257 looking closely
Didn't Obama actually represent ACORN in a lawsuit forcing a bank to issue risky mortgages?
Obama is PERSONALLY knee-deep in the sub-prime mess, and that bears pointing out. . .
McCain's problem isn't that he doesn't hit these points, its that his delivery is so goddamn awful when he does.
"Senator Obama talks about affordable housing. I must say its a lot easier to afford housing when a convicted felon helps you fund your home purchase".
yep, so many avenues of Obama weakness, so little time.... although Rush claimed that his McCain insiders have a core belief that only the final week of the campaign will cement actual votes (okay, Rush said they swore by 72 hours, I just hope that they are not banking on that timeframe).
But one thing remains a given and a constant of news cycle management, which defines the election dynamic, that we lizard faithful must not forget: the memory span of the American electorate is only a couple of days.
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Tamron Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:25:53pm |
re: #273 Desert Dog
He threw is own Grandma under the bus, ACORN is going down there too and soon. And, once that is done, Obama will play all innocent and above it all....."Why, that is the ACORN I knew!"
How's about, "But -- I was only 35 years old, when ACORN was doing all of those nasty things..."
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lifeofthemind Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:27:35pm |
Based upon no special knowledge at all my take is that McCain believes that he has a good shot at this, the roof will come down on Obama and that McCain does not benefit by raising the anger level. On the other hand if the roof does not fall on Obama McCain probably doubts that running hard right will do him any good. So he either wins or loses and accepts it either way.
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yma o hyd Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:27:57pm |
re: #279 offendi
Romney is youthful and telegenic. His business experience would have blown Barack out of the water, especially now. McCain's lack of economic experience is responsible for his present condition, lurching about everywhere while Obama seemed cool and collected on the economy. Presidential. McCain looked buffoonish suspending his campaign and then rushing to endorse a bailout of Wall Street when people opposed it.
Sure - but this election is not just about economic experience.
He may be telegenic - but he did not exactly get me off the seat when i heard his speech at the convention in St Paul.
So I doubt if he'd deliver better debates than McCain.
And I am certain he would not have chosen Sarah Palin as his running mate. It would have been another nice enought Republican - and both would have bored the voters to tears by now.
B0 and his campaing would surely have run rings around them - and there would have been no PUMAs!
As I said - its futile to speculate, and who is to say that McCain won't give him the economics portfolio.
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FrogMarch Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:28:30pm |
Clinton Promises tax cuts in 1992. He didn't deliver. He raised taxes. That's what democrats do.
If McCain cannot explain this simple fact, it's over.
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joncelli Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:28:31pm |
re: #304 runrabbitrun
McCain insiders have a core belief that only the final week of the campaign will cement actual votes (okay, Rush said they swore by 72 hours, I just hope that they are not banking on that timeframe).
Gah! I laid it all out in 95 on this thread! Hire me, I'll work for $30/hour and design a MUCH better ad campaign than you've got now! (Okay, Maybe $25/hr. But I've got to get per diem.)
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unreconstructed rebel Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:28:58pm |
& the climb has been pretty steady. None of that computer spawned shit we had to watch last week.
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:29:02pm |
Does anyone remember Sarah Connor's dream in Terminator 2: Judgment Day when she was banging on the chain-link fence, screaming at those on the other side when the nuke's about to hit because she knows the future?
I feel that way at times.
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AZDave Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:29:33pm |
re: #4 Sharmuta
CareerEgo First. Career Second. CountrySecondsomewhere after my waffle.LOVE IT!
Now that's more like the truth!
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:29:50pm |
re: #294 Spellcheck
Michelle hates John McCain and has since the amnesty bill. So ACORN participated in an event with 5 other groups that McCain spoke to? Did he pay ACORN to get votes for him? Work for ACORN? Serve as their lawyer?
Sorry- I think ms. malkin wants McCain to lose.
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KingKenrod Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:29:51pm |
re: #300 subsailor68
OT, but perhaps not.
Obama is speaking on the economy, and his spokes folks are out flogging the 95% of Americans will get a tax cut under his plan.
Question: If approx. 40+ percent of taxpayers pay no "federal income tax", where does their cut come from?
I'm no expert (believe me), but it seems to me that if it is a refundable "credit" against no taxes paid, it is not a "cut", but rather a redistribution of income from those who don't get the cut.
If, on the other hand, Obama is not proposing a "credit", it seems to me the only way to "cut" what those who pay no "income tax" are paying would be to cut their FICA tax (or that percentage the employee pays).
If that's the case, is Obama proposing to eliminate FICA for that 40% of non-income tax paying folks? Thus further increasing the burden of supporting Social Security and Medicare on a smaller percentage of the population?
If I'm wrong, someone here please help me out. If I'm right, isn't that a fair question for Sen. McCain to ask Sen. Obama?
He is proposing to send a check to people who have no income tax liability but still qualify for tax credits.
[Link: www.american.com...]
Second, Obama would make some credits refundable for families with credits bigger than their tax liability, which would also have the nefarious effect of raising marginal tax rates. For example, consider a worker in the 10 percent bracket with $1,000 of tax liability before credits who claims $1,200 in credits. The tax impact of earning an extra $100 depends on whether the credit is refundable. If it’s not refundable, there’s no tax penalty on earning the extra $100 because the worker’s tax liability stays at zero. But if the credit is refundable, earning the extra money pushes the tax up from negative $200 to negative $190—that’s a 10 percent penalty on earning income.
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midwestgak Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:30:07pm |
re: #309 lifeofthemind
Based upon no special knowledge at all my take is that McCain believes that he has a good shot at this, the roof will come down on Obama and that McCain does not benefit by raising the anger level. On the other hand if the roof does not fall on Obama McCain probably doubts that running hard right will do him any good. So he either wins or loses and accepts it either way.
Yes. No. Maybe. Bowl of mush
-- Zell Miller
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unrealizedviewpoint Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:30:19pm |
re: #315 MandyManners
Does anyone remember Sarah Connor's dream in Terminator 2: Judgment Day when she was banging on the chain-link fence, screaming at those on the other side when the nuke's about to hit because she knows the future?
I feel that way at times.
Not knowing what you look like I always pictured you as looking like Sarah Conner.
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subsailor68 Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:30:30pm |
re: #315 MandyManners
Yeah...or that scene in the Iliad where the Trojans open the gate and say, "Wow, a pony!"
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AZDave Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:30:40pm |
re: #6 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
I disagree nigella, he should hammer both of them...BTW, Rush is playing the McCain rally tape in Manhattan now.
And don't forget Obama's advisors.
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Perry Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:30:46pm |
re: #294 Spellcheck
Michelle Malkin has this - not a pretty post. :-(
Well, foot. Shamnesty and ACORN all in one neat package. Well, it was in Feb 2006, and only once that we yet know of. So this is why he's been so reticent about ACORN?
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redstateredneck Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:31:01pm |
re: #311 FrogMarch
Clinton Promises tax cuts in 1992. He didn't deliver. He raised taxes. That's what democrats do.
If McCain cannot explain this simple fact, it's over.
But Bill worked harder than he ever had in his life to try to do it.
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offendi Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:31:36pm |
re: #285 looking closely
Olmert did not serve in a combat unit or advance in millitary rank to any level near what past Israeli PMs have. He may know how to shoot a gun barely, but his experience is of Obama level. Both Barak and Netanyahu served with great distinction. Bibi's brother, z"l, fell in the famous Entebbe rescue operation.
Sharon will be remembered as one of Israel's greatest generals and millitary strategists. His trapping of the Egyptian Third Army during the Yom Kippur War was one of the most brilliantly executed millitary events in the 20th century. We should also remember that Sharon could have killed Arafat in Beirut in the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon.
Arafat was within snipersight but the political echelon withheld approval.
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faraway Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:31:54pm |
re: #317 Sharmuta
Sorry- I think ms. malkin wants McCain to lose.
I wouldn't go that far, but she can get so obsessed that she forgets the prime objective.
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subsailor68 Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:32:42pm |
re: #318 KingKenrod
Thanks! (I'm still a bit confused, but that sure helps.)
I guess bottom line common sense holds - if ya don't pay nothin' but get somethin' back, it ain't a cut, it's free money we got from someone else.
Thanks again!
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lifeofthemind Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:32:57pm |
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Son of the Black Dog Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:33:13pm |
re: #296 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
POTUS isn't required to pass a security clearance. It's just handed to him on a silver platter
with the keys to the kingdomalong with the nuclear football when he puts his hand on the Koran.
Fixed for ya'
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:33:16pm |
re: #324 Perry
Well, foot. Shamnesty and ACORN all in one neat package. Well, it was in Feb 2006, and only once that we yet know of. So this is why he's been so reticent about ACORN?
He really shouldn't be shy about them even so. He was never involved in their thuggery and Obama without a doubt had mens rea of that.
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lawhawk Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:33:17pm |
re: #317 Sharmuta
I don't think that's the case. I think she has stumbled upon a reason why McCain is loath to attack Obama on the ACORN connections because he's more firmly vested in amnesty for illegals than acknowledged.
I've pointed out how ACORN works in the past, and this isn't all that surprising - they play to both sides of the aisle but clearly push a leftist agenda - open borders clearly plays into that.
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poopeedoo Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:33:46pm |
We haven't heard a peep lately from Biden. He must be shopping a lot at Home Depot.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:33:49pm |
re: #327 faraway
I wouldn't go that far, but she can get so obsessed that she forgets the prime objective.
Sorry- haven't seen anything from her that makes me think she wants McCain to win.
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yma o hyd Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:35:10pm |
re: #328 subsailor68
Thanks! (I'm still a bit confused, but that sure helps.)
I guess bottom line common sense holds - if ya don't pay nothin' but get somethin' back, it ain't a cut, it's free money we got from someone else.
Thanks again!
Yep - free money you get from those people who actually work for it, and who end up having less than you do ...
See the mess in the UK.
Thats why I say B0 = NuLab Mk II.
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Dianna Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:35:21pm |
re: #222 lawhawk
Oh, my! He linked Def Leppard! Pour Some Sugar on Me....oh, my!
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joncelli Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:35:23pm |
re: #334 poopeedoo
Too many gaffes. They probably sent him to the beach to get the old-guy-who-fishes-off-the-pier vote.
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poopeedoo Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:35:52pm |
re: #306 buzzsawmonkey
It shows that Palin is getting to him; deep down, he is thinking of the governor based in "You know," the capital city of Alaska.
Clever!
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:36:01pm |
re: #320 unrealizedviewpoint
Not knowing what you look like I always pictured you as looking like Sarah Conner.
She has more muscles.
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Florida Lady Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:36:04pm |
Well, FINALLY our local media have picked up the Tim Mahoney story . . . he only represents part of Charlotte County, which is in their listening area.
/pppsssttt . . . I send the link to our local news-talk station - teehee
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nikis-knight Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:36:44pm |
You know, if republicans campaigned like democrats do, people would be saying this election proves that democrats still hate Vietnam Vets. Voting for Obama is like spiting on a vet all over again.
Of course, there are legitmate issues to hold against McCain. Likewise, and infinately moreso for those who actually like the country, there are issues to hold against Obama other than skin color, which any criticism is blamed on.
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:36:59pm |
re: #322 subsailor68
Yeah...or that scene in the Iliad where the Trojans open the gate and say, "Wow, a pony!"
Just like in a horror movie: you wanna' scream "DON'T OPEN THE DOOR!"
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:37:08pm |
re: #332 lawhawk
I think there is a huge difference between what 0bama's done with ACORN versus giving a speech at an event that ACORN was just one of many sponsors to.
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poopeedoo Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:38:14pm |
re: #317 Sharmuta
Michelle hates John McCain and has since the amnesty bill. So ACORN participated in an event with 5 other groups that McCain spoke to? Did he pay ACORN to get votes for him? Work for ACORN? Serve as their lawyer?
Sorry- I think ms. malkin wants McCain to lose.
She does seem to report more negative than positive. :-(
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Perry Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:38:16pm |
re: #333 buzzsawmonkey
Agreed. I think he's a little better communicator than W. Hopefully, a whole lot better.
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Intrepid Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:38:28pm |
re: #327 faraway
I wouldn't go that far, but she can get so obsessed that she forgets the prime objective.
But what she is actually doing is demoralizing her readers. I read some of the comments on that post at her site - many of the long-time commenters were clearly knocked off their fighting stance with what she said.
These single-issue conservative pundits need to wake up - Michelle, Charles Krauthammer, and all the rest I can't think of now - to the damage they're doing to the conservative base when they cannot let go of their own pet issue.
And as for the DC long termers - get out of that cesspool and come to the rest of the country and actually see what most of America actually cares about and thinks, FGS! Put down your martini glasses and grab a beer with us and ask US what it means to be everyday, run of the mill, God-fearing, middle class CONSERVATIVES.
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tfc3rid Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:38:57pm |
re: #345 Sharmuta
I think there is a huge difference between what 0bama's done with ACORN versus giving a speech at an event that ACORN was just one of many sponsors to.
I agree with you but here is the Million Dollar question... How will the MSM report it? You know...
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Scion9 Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:39:11pm |
re: #103 Crusty
I had an incredible web debate this weekend with a couple of moonbats who tried to argue to me that Ayers couldn't possibly be a terrorist because he was named Citizen of the Year in Chicago and works as a professor at UIC. Even after I pointed out the US Capitol, Pentagon and NYC HQ bombings they thought because he was never convicted (due to the FBI illegally obtaining evidence) that he doesn't qualify as a terrorist.
You cannot reason with unreasonable people. Libs could watch this video 100 times and still think they're watching Mr. Roger's Neighborhood.
Here you go. Send them this article from Time Magazine, dated January 1938. It's a good read. Good as in gutwrenchingly disgusting. All about a wonderful German politician who was Time's 1938 Man of the Year; Adolf Hitler.
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Scion9 Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:39:34pm |
re: #351 Scion9
Here you go. Send them this article from Time Magazine, dated January 1938. It's a good read. Good as in gutwrenchingly disgusting. All about a wonderful German politician who was Time's 1938 Man of the Year; Adolf Hitler.
Silly me, forgot the link...
[Link: www.time.com...]
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runrabbitrun Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:40:02pm |
re: #294 Spellcheck
Michelle Malkin has this - not a pretty post. :-(
Much as I regret McCain's pandering, if it had been an Obama revelation, his supporters and the MSM would have buried that connection at birth and moved on blind to it, while I fear the right wing will fan the flames of its existence into infamy.
Last week on FNS, the panel headlines the piddling evidence of the 'angry/haters' McCain meme created by the Obama campaign. Next week, McCain's flirtation with Acorn....? We must refuse to follow the defensive path to failure laid down by the Dems, and forge the road to success by our own offense.
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:40:07pm |
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Son of the Black Dog Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:40:30pm |
re: #334 poopeedoo
We haven't heard a peep lately from Biden. He must be shopping a lot at Home Depot.
He's having coffee down at Katie's.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:40:40pm |
re: #349 tfc3rid
I agree with you but here is the Million Dollar question... How will the MSM report it? You know...
Is ACORN facing RICO charges over amnesty or voter fraud?
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A Kiwi Infidel Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:41:08pm |
Tell me if this has been posted, please, and apologies if it has.
Very insightful
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lawhawk Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:42:24pm |
re: #351 Scion9
It's the same kind of argument that will be made by the left over how Krugman got the nobel prize in economics. It's work he did more than a decade ago, and since then he's gone off the rails into moonbat leftist territory with no firm grasp of reality, but that's not going to stop the left from elevating Krugman to sainthood on all that he wrote...
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:42:44pm |
re: #353 runrabbitrun
Much as I regret McCain's pandering, if it had been an Obama revelation, his supporters and the MSM would have buried that connection at birth and moved on blind to it, while I fear the right wing will fan the flames of its existence into infamy.
Last week on FNS, the panel headlines the piddling evidence of the 'angry/haters' McCain meme created by the Obama campaign. Next week, McCain's flirtation with Acorn....? We must refuse to follow the defensive path to failure laid down by the Dems, and forge the road to success by our own offense.
Tell it, brother!
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AZDave Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:42:45pm |
re: #47 twincitiesgirl
There's a shocking and disgusting* post on the Wake Up America blog about what Obama supporters call Palin with virtually no media coverage at all
*warning adult content
The media no doubt had them (shirts) printed and distributed. (By the way, this was noted on the Fox News Channel with the obvious word blurred out.)
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poopeedoo Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:42:55pm |
re: #354 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
If you're in the game, then the Strokes the word.
Didn't he do a hip swinging "stomp" during the music video? (Back in the days when MTV actually played music videos.)
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Son of the Black Dog Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:43:04pm |
re: #343 nikis-knight
You know, if republicans campaigned like democrats do, people would be saying this election proves that democrats still hate Vietnam Vets. Voting for Obama is like spiting on a vet all over again.
Of course, there are legitmate issues to hold against McCain. Likewise, and infinately moreso for those who actually like the country, there are issues to hold against Obama other than skin color, which any criticism is blamed on.
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
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yma o hyd Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:43:31pm |
re: #359 faraway
I've never forgiven TIME for not having the NYC Firemen and emergency workers as their men of the year 2001.
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lifeofthemind Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:43:38pm |
re: #356 Sharmuta
Is ACORN facing RICO charges over amnesty or voter fraud?
We don't have to choose Jim. Do it all at the same time.
We can do both and mortgage fraud and intimidation, we can do it all Jim.
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DeafDog Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:44:12pm |
re: #311 FrogMarch
Clinton Promises tax cuts in 1992. He didn't deliver. He raised taxes. That's what democrats do.
If McCain cannot explain this simple fact, it's over.
In the second debate, McCain also had a throw-away line that I thought was important.
Obama - when running for the Illinois senate - has previously promised middle class tax cuts. But he has never worked to have those cuts implemented.
The guy is all talk!
The only thing you can do is look at his past (which is a better predictor than rhetoric) - Ayers, Rezko and Wright! We can expect a racist, corrupt and radical president. I don't care what McCain says, we should be afraid of a President Chairman Obama.
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Tamron Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:44:14pm |
re: #248 Desert Dog
I keep hearing about the PUMAs. Do you think there are that many that will cross over to the "right" (and correct, too) side? Hillary and Obama are closer in world outlook and policy goals than McCain and Obama. I guess the way Obama ran against Hillary really pissed some people off?
Yup. For example, Multimillionaire Lynn Forester de Rothschild (one of Hillary's more influential supporters) switched to the McCain/Palin camp, saying "The Democratic Party deserted me, I didn't desert the Democratic Party."
Check these videos:
[Link: noquarterusa.net...]
[Link: themountainsage.wordpress.com...]
.
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tfc3rid Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:44:32pm |
re: #356 Sharmuta
Is ACORN facing RICO charges over amnesty or voter fraud?
WE know they are facing it over voter fraud but...the MSM will portray it all as guilty by association... Therefore, both McCain and Obama, a few mea culpa's and we are all good...
Of course what Obama did is a million times worse...
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:45:12pm |
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Scion9 Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:45:34pm |
re: #365 yma o hyd
I've never forgiven TIME for not having the NYC Firemen and emergency workers as their men of the year 2001.
They did pick Rudy that year, which is sort of half right.
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Viking6 Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:45:45pm |
re: #86 offendi
This of course would only be for the benefit of those unlucky souls that would be living in the United People's Republic of the States of New York and California. Mean while as to other news the United Flyover States report a bumper crop of grain, corn and cattle, while adding an additional 3.5 million barrels of oil per day to the current output. In addition the entire USFS nuclear land, sea and air forces stand ready to deter any form of aggression from the UPRNYCA armies of Urban Hipsters.
/cuts both ways, you know
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nikis-knight Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:45:48pm |
re: #106 godfrey
Bill Ayers should be rotting in jail. He's guilty. He got off on a technicality.
He said as much, at the time and since. "Guilty as sin, free as a bird."
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unreconstructed rebel Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:46:04pm |
re: #369 tfc3rid
Of course what Obama did is a million times worse...
Ain't moral equivalence a wonderful thing? Sigh!
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Cognito Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:46:06pm |
re: #359 faraway
It seems you guys really don't get Time's 'Person of the Year' thing -- it's not an accolade.
If you bother to actually read the story about Hitler, you'll note that Time was in many respects ahead of the rest of the world in recognizing the horror of Hitler's rise:
M
ore significant was the fact Hitler became in 1938 the greatest threatening force that the democratic, freedom-loving world faces today.
But whatever.
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yma o hyd Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:46:50pm |
re: #369 tfc3rid
WE know they are facing it over voter fraud but...the MSM will portray it all as guilty by association... Therefore, both McCain and Obama, a few mea culpa's and we are all good...
Of course what Obama did is a million times worse...
McCain did not give $ 800,000 to ACORN - B0 did.
Thats a fact, thats not a smear - and its something which, if this RICO indictment goes ahead, will hang round B0's neck.
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wright1 Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:46:58pm |
re: #345 Sharmuta
I think there is a huge difference between what 0bama's done with ACORN versus giving a speech at an event that ACORN was just one of many sponsors to.
This argument is specious. Obama is a pioneer of ACORN and he is tied at the hip to that organization. McCain's sins are ones of omission in that he failed to know something about the organization he was addressing. Big difference. Advocacy vs. Ignorance.
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Intrepid Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:47:03pm |
re: #358 Sharmuta
Speak the TRUTH, Intrepid! You GO, girl!
Gettin' mad, Sharm. Really mad. The PUMAs are right - we are cannibals of the worst order.
We need to BUCK-THE-HELL-UP and keep going out and volunteering for Mac/Sarah, making those phone calls, knocking on those doors, printing out flyers and giving them to any/all undecideds we know.
Three weeks, folks. In three weeks we will either elect one of America's heros - albeit a bit of a flawed one - or one of America's worst nightmares - though an awfully pretty one with a smooth tongue.
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lawhawk Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:47:05pm |
The new Obama "rescue plan" includes items that Obama previously called disastrous, including the foreclosure moratorium. Heh
Oh, and Obama's people are trying to spin this as 1) the world is a different place now than it was when Hillary first proffered that suggestion; 2) they're talking about specifics versus generalities; 3) these aren't the droids you're looking for.
Most people will fall for 3, but the fact is that the moratorium is a hugely bad idea regardless of the financial crisis we're in.
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unreconstructed rebel Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:47:07pm |
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yma o hyd Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:47:55pm |
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Cognito Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:49:10pm |
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JacksonTn Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:49:50pm |
re: #291 Desert Dog
Bush better hope McCain wins because the safety will be off and the Dems will come with pitchforks and torches for his head. (Cheney's too).
They already had flyers printed up during the primaries saying they would try him for war crimes ...... they did it to get more of the koskidz ..... I will try to find them ...... I had them on a separate computer ....
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Dianna Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:49:51pm |
re: #354 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
However, it finishes with Twisted Sister's We're not gonna take it, so I guess I can deal.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:50:12pm |
re: #378 wright1
This argument is specious. Obama is a pioneer of ACORN and he is tied at the hip to that organization. McCain's sins are ones of omission in that he failed to know something about the organization he was addressing. Big difference. Advocacy vs. Ignorance.
0bama knew exactly what he was doing when he gave ACORN $800,000- he worked with them.
Mac gave a speech.
$800,000 vs. a speech.
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MrSilverDragon Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:50:23pm |
re: #385 buzzsawmonkey
You don't need a Weatherman to know Barack Obama blows.
You don't need a Weatherman to know who Barack Obama.... never mind.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:50:26pm |
re: #380 lawhawk
The new Obama "rescue plan" includes items that Obama previously called disastrous, including the foreclosure moratorium. Heh
Oh, and Obama's people are trying to spin this as 1) the world is a different place now than it was when Hillary first proffered that suggestion; 2) they're talking about specifics versus generalities; 3) these aren't the droids you're looking for.
Most people will fall for 3, but the fact is that the moratorium is a hugely bad idea regardless of the financial crisis we're in.
My best friend works in the mortgage industry and he gets almost apoplectic every time the left brings up the idea.
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faraway Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:50:53pm |
re: #386 Cognito
A dufus who brings facts.
But no logic.
/ but I appreciate the self-deprecating humor.
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legalpad Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:51:01pm |
re: #375 Cognito
I think the initial point they were making was that someone had said Ayers couldn't be a terrorist because he was "citizen of the year" or something, but the Time "Man of The Year" showed that this didn't have to be the case. I didn't hunt through the thread. Did someone say Time said Hitler was good?
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hazzyday Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:51:22pm |
Sen Obama is more like the financial and government captains that caused this financial mess via their self interest. Connect the dots for Sen. McCain. Start hoisting some of these bad (smarter than everyone else Enron students) boys up by their petards. And tell it to the American public often and repeatedly.
As long as these CEO's and Barney Frank aren't made examples of, it just looks like more of the same.
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poopeedoo Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:51:43pm |
re: #370 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The first video. Yep, that's the one.
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yma o hyd Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:51:51pm |
re: #379 Intrepid
Gettin' mad, Sharm. Really mad. The PUMAs are right - we are cannibals of the worst order.
We need to BUCK-THE-HELL-UP and keep going out and volunteering for Mac/Sarah, making those phone calls, knocking on those doors, printing out flyers and giving them to any/all undecideds we know.
Three weeks, folks. In three weeks we will either elect one of America's heros - albeit a bit of a flawed one - or one of America's worst nightmares - though an awfully pretty one with a smooth tongue.
You said it!
And those who cannot do this, should use their time spent on the PC by sending links to what bloggers ahve dug up about B0's slimy associates and ask their local media - or even the national media - why this is not reported.
Send many e-mails - you're just puzzled Americans who want to know ...
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FrogMarch Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:51:56pm |
re: #315 MandyManners
Does anyone remember Sarah Connor's dream in Terminator 2: Judgment Day when she was banging on the chain-link fence, screaming at those on the other side when the nuke's about to hit because she knows the future?
I feel that way at times.
the one good thing - If Obama gets in he will fuck everything up. His proposed tax schemes will be a disaster. the media will give Obama cover, but jobs will dry up and the economy will tank. (lucky us.) People will have no choice but to wake up.
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unreconstructed rebel Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:52:18pm |
re: #389 Sharmuta
0bama knew exactly what he was doing when he gave ACORN $800,000- he worked with them.
Mac gave a speech.
$800,000 vs. a speech.
Bring me up to speed here. Who's money did BO give to Acorn? Clearly, it was not his own.
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faraway Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:52:27pm |
The Dow: Biggest One Day gain in 21 Years.
Waiting for headlines, "Bush Saves Economy"....................
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newsjunkie_ky Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:53:03pm |
I do like the last line of the video and it does sum up The One, 'career first, Country second'.
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Ben Hur Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:53:24pm |
re: #399 faraway
The Dow: Biggest One Day gain in 21 Years.
Waiting for headlines, "Bush Saves Economy"....................
Keep waiting.
They'll say because of Barry's speech.
Just like Georgia.
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subsailor68 Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:53:31pm |
re: #399 faraway
Sorry, but I get a sinking feeling the headline will be:
"Biggest Gain in 21 Years Despite Bush"
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CapeCoddah Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:53:43pm |
A little levity, a friend just sent this to me, If you are under 30, you may not get it!
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poopeedoo Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:53:58pm |
re: #388 Dianna
However, it finishes with Twisted Sister's We're not gonna take it, so I guess I can deal.
Nah, never cared for Twisted Sister. The main guy sounded like he was screaming. Wacky hair, too.
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faraway Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:54:15pm |
Biggest Gas Price Drop in History
Waiting on MSM Headline: "Bush Energy Policies Save The Day"................
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Cognito Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:54:40pm |
re: #393 legalpad
I think the initial point they were making was that someone had said Ayers couldn't be a terrorist because he was "citizen of the year" or something, but the Time "Man of The Year" showed that this didn't have to be the case. I didn't hunt through the thread. Did someone say Time said Hitler was good?
Maybe I misunderstood the tone -- "wonderful German politician" -- in which case I fired my six-guns too soon. Regardless, I've seen that argument about Time and Hitler, etc, put forth many times here.
If Time had any guts, and if they stuck by their principles and the conditions they claim for the 'PoY' feature, they would have named Osama Bin Laden in 2001. Doesn't sound too palatable, though.
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hazzyday Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:54:43pm |
re: #373 nikis-knight
He said as much, at the time and since. "Guilty as sin, free as a bird."
The same seems to apply to Sen Obama as regards to his friends he keeps and to his activities in ACORN. It's almost like he emulates Ayers minus the bombings.
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yma o hyd Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:54:44pm |
re: #389 Sharmuta
0bama knew exactly what he was doing when he gave ACORN $800,000- he worked with them.
Mac gave a speech.
$800,000 vs. a speech.
Yep, and McCain gave that speech in 2006 - B0 gave them money in 2008, for his campaign.
Bit of a difference, methinks!
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UberInfidel67 Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:54:59pm |
I still can't find the Obama ad I saw last night. It was so full of bull I was gagging. It tried to make him look sooooo patriotic. He talks about the "American" values his mother taught him. What was her political bent? Haven't seen it since though ; (
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joncelli Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:54:59pm |
Dow 9276.42, up 825.23 20 minutes before close. Not bad, and it helps McCain, assuming it lasts.
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unreconstructed rebel Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:55:06pm |
re: #401 Ben Hur
Keep waiting.
They'll say because of Barry's speech.
Just like Georgia.
'course no one will notice how that effin opportunist made the speech after the trend was well underway. Nor will they notice it took a dip duing the speech.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:55:12pm |
Pooh... Ace is watering down his RICO hints.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:55:13pm |
re: #407 wright1
I was just driving the point home since it seems to be lost on ms. malkin.
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razorbacker Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:55:17pm |
re: #375 Cognito
It seems you guys really don't get Time's 'Person of the Year' thing -- it's not an accolade.
Don't let this go to your head, because I've already demonstrated today that I've a terrible memory for faces as well as a lifetime of experience indicating that I'm not terribly discerning regarding my companions, but I like the cut of your jib.
As well as the fact that you don't seem to be much of a me-to kind of guy.
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poopeedoo Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:55:20pm |
re: #403 CapeCoddah
A little levity, a friend just sent this to me, If you are under 30, you may not get it!
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
Ding!
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:55:32pm |
re: #375 Cognito
But whatever.
Second paragraph:
Führer of the German people, Commander-in-Chief of the German Army, Navy & Air Force, Chancellor of the Third Reich, Herr Hitler reaped on that day at Munich the harvest of an audacious, defiant, ruthless foreign policy he had pursued for five and a half years. He had torn the Treaty of Versailles to shreds. He had rearmed Germany to the teeth— or as close to the teeth as he was able. He had stolen Austria before the eyes of a horrified and apparently impotent world.
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Cognito Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:55:52pm |
re: #416 razorbacker
Don't let this go to your head, because I've already demonstrated today that I've a terrible memory for faces as well as a lifetime of experience indicating that I'm not terribly discerning regarding my companions, but I like the cut of your jib.
As well as the fact that you don't seem to be much of a me-to kind of guy.
Me too.
;)
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Dianna Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:55:56pm |
re: #404 poopeedoo
Me, neither. Except for this one song.
We're not gonna take it anymore!
Ace played it for luck. I like it, too.
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Scion9 Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:56:04pm |
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AZDave Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:56:10pm |
re: #93 sbvft contributor
"Web only". Why is it all the good ads never make it to the telly? I didn't send McCain any money and it appears to have been a smart decision. They don't seserve the $ if their not going to put ads like this where people will see them. McCain deserves to lose. Lousy candidate. Lousy campaign. Palin/Romey 2012.
I sent a few dollars. That may have be a bad move on my part. Not because I don't want McCain to win. I'm starting to believe that McCain doesn't want to win. He should have been bounding the crap out of Obama: no experience, associates, advisers! Come on John, we cannot have four years of socialism!
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alien_mind Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:56:12pm |
re: #317 Sharmuta
Michelle hates John McCain and has since the amnesty bill. So ACORN participated in an event with 5 other groups that McCain spoke to? Did he pay ACORN to get votes for him? Work for ACORN? Serve as their lawyer?
Sorry- I think ms. malkin wants McCain to lose.
yeah i read it that way also. Immigration was the issue there, and ACORN was only one of the sponsors. not exactly analagous to Obama being in bed with them is it?
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poopeedoo Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:56:14pm |
re: #412 joncelli
Dow 9276.42, up 825.23 20 minutes before close. Not bad, and it helps McCain, assuming it lasts.
Woo Hoo!
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Florida Lady Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:56:59pm |
re: #385 buzzsawmonkey
You don't need a Weatherman to know Barack Obama blows.
Or . . . you don't need a Weatherman to know which way Barack Obama blows.
/cleaned up for McCain campaign - but I like your version better!
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Beach Lover Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:57:22pm |
OT, but has the Dow ever climbed this much in a single day before?
+845pts right now
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hazzyday Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:57:58pm |
re: #397 FrogMarch
the one good thing - If Obama gets in he will fuck everything up. His proposed tax schemes will be a disaster. the media will give Obama cover, but jobs will dry up and the economy will tank. (lucky us.) People will have no choice but to wake up.
When Rev Wright visits the Whitehouse if Obama is elected the he'll want to paint over the oppressive history that the Whitehouse represents. Ayers will want to knock down the wings of the house as a symbol Amercia has met her match. Obama would be busy wearing his game face as he shells out billions to his friends as his political capital.
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AZDave Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:58:03pm |
re: #411 UberInfidel67
I still can't find the Obama ad I saw last night. It was so full of bull I was gagging. It tried to make him look sooooo patriotic. He talks about the "American" values his mother taught him. What was her political bent? Haven't seen it since though ; (
I believe she was a commie.
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Cognito Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:58:20pm |
re: #426 Beach Lover
OT, but has the Dow ever climbed this much in a single day before?
+845pts right now
shhhhh.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:58:22pm |
re: #363 poopeedoo
Didn't he do a hip swinging "stomp" during the music video? (Back in the days when MTV actually played music videos, and actual music. )
Fixed.
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midwestgak Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:58:33pm |
re: #343 nikis-knight
Of course, there are legitmate issues to hold against McCain.
When McCain is in office, we will bemoan him. But at least he won't be as bad as Obama
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faraway Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:58:36pm |
Headline: Bush Proves He's Strong in Final Days of Presidency
Byline: Record Dow Jump, Record Gas Price Drop Result of Policy Surge
/dreaming
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:58:54pm |
re: #423 alien_mind
yeah i read it that way also. Immigration was the issue there, and ACORN was only one of the sponsors. not exactly analagous to Obama being in bed with them is it?
Good for her for digging it up so we can deal with it before 0bama does, but for Pete's sake- she's not always the most level headed. She needs to suck it up until McCain defeats 0bama, and then we can deal with internal issues.
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poopeedoo Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:59:26pm |
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unreconstructed rebel Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:59:30pm |
re: #426 Beach Lover
OT, but has the Dow ever climbed this much in a single day before?
+845pts right now
Ah'm hopin' & ah'm prayin' that Soros got caught out on a very short limb.
Now, that would really make my day.
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faraway Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:00:13pm |
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OldLineTexan Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:00:19pm |
re: #430 AZDave
I believe she was a commie.
As I have said before:
Vote Commie for (Barack's) Mommy!
The only upside, IMO, is that she and Michelle did or would have or at least should have gotten along famously.
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OldLineTexan Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:00:44pm |
re: #435 faraway
Headline: Bush Proves He's Strong in Final Days of Presidency
Byline: Record Dow Jump, Record Gas Price Drop Result of Policy Surge/dreaming
Dreaming?
Stoned is more like it.
/
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alien_mind Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:00:51pm |
re: #355 Son of the Black Dog
He's having coffee down at Katie's.
haha.
or as Steyn referred to it "Biden's diner of the mind"
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wright1 Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:00:52pm |
re: #426 Beach Lover
OT, but has the Dow ever climbed this much in a single day before?
+845pts right now
Kinda throws a monkey wrench in that Jew Conspiracy thing
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Scion9 Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:00:55pm |
re: #422 AZDave
I sent a few dollars. That may have be a bad move on my part. Not because I don't want McCain to win. I'm starting to believe that McCain doesn't want to win. He should have been bounding the crap out of Obama: no experience, associates, advisers! Come on John, we cannot have four years of socialism!
If it comes, I'm not too confident it goes away at the end of Obama's term...
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AZDave Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:00:57pm |
re: #397 FrogMarch
the one good thing - If Obama gets in he will fuck everything up. His proposed tax schemes will be a disaster. the media will give Obama cover, but jobs will dry up and the economy will tank. (lucky us.) People will have no choice but to wake up.
But that's the plan. We too can be a third world country.
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Ben Hur Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:01:09pm |
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:01:35pm |
re: #437 Charles
Whoa! The Dow is up nearly 1000 points.
The msm will give credit to 0bama's policy speech. Sheeple will buy into it.
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runrabbitrun Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:01:58pm |
re: #317 Sharmuta
Sorry- I think ms. malkin wants McCain to lose.
As I said last week, Michelle doesn't get that given the state of the electorate, only a bottom-up, grass-roots approach to driving a conservative agenda in DC is practical, or even possible, regardless of one's noble principles or intent.
Even Rush came to the conclusion that establishing conservative ideals in Washington cannot be achieved top-down in the 2008 election cycle. Winning with the candidate we have, rather than the candidate we dream of, is the only functional approach.
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Cognito Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:02:14pm |
My crummy stock only rose 9.5 percent.
/a bad day
;)
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lawhawk Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:02:30pm |
re: #437 Charles
Whoa! The Dow is up nearly 1000 points.
Whoa doesn't quite cover it. 962 points. All time record for point gain in single day. Over 10%, definitely up there in percentage gains..
Spectacular - the question will be whether the DJIA can hold the gains this week...
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OldLineTexan Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:02:56pm |
re: #444 faraway
Thank George Bush.
Heh, well, thank yew er ah faraday...the Amurrhican people need to perspicate and keep fightin' the good fight, which is like whippin' the other guy's ass except not so much whippin' as winnin'. And winnin' is more important than...I mean how ya play the game...goodnight!
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:03:16pm |
re: #439 poopeedoo
Touche!
Nah, I smell fine, besides, I'm a guy...Oh, you said Touche...Never mind.
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arethusa Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:03:18pm |
re: #317 Sharmuta
Michelle hates John McCain and has since the amnesty bill. So ACORN participated in an event with 5 other groups that McCain spoke to? Did he pay ACORN to get votes for him? Work for ACORN? Serve as their lawyer?
Sorry- I think ms. malkin wants McCain to lose.
Plus, in the sidebar right next to that post she has a post praising McCain's ACORN ad. She is a fair-weather friend, make no mistake about it.
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DeafDog Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:03:19pm |
re: #406 faraway
Biggest Gas Price Drop in History
Waiting on MSM Headline: "Bush Energy Policies Save The Day"................
I saw a unicorn once.
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Cognito Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:03:30pm |
re: #462 lawhawk
Whoa doesn't quite cover it. 962 points. All time record for point gain in single day. Over 10%, definitely up there in percentage gains..
Spectacular - the question will be whether the DJIA can hold the gains this week...
I'm sure it'll drop steeply, climb steeply, drop moderately, climb moderately, and so on until things level out.
The trick is picking the highs and lows. Or having the nerve to ride it out.
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Beach Lover Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:03:31pm |
just said biggest point gain ever and 5th percentage in history
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subsailor68 Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:03:33pm |
re: #454 Charles
From your lips to God's ear. I keep hoping there isn't a huge profit-taking evolution tomorrow (or Friday).
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ibmkeyboard Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:03:48pm |
re: #454 Charles
Let's just hope it isn't followed by another plunge.
Let's just hope Blarmey Frank Nancy Peloski and others keep their mouths shut.
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OldLineTexan Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:04:00pm |
re: #454 Charles
Let's just hope it isn't followed by another plunge.
/Blood, Sweat, and Tears
//Obama will all give us a painted pony to ride as the spinning wheel turns
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Cognito Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:04:20pm |
re: #470 ibmkeyboard
Let's just hope Blarmey Frank Nancy Peloski and others keep their mouths shut.
Impossible.
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unreconstructed rebel Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:04:31pm |
re: #454 Charles
Let's just hope it isn't followed by another plunge.
We will prolly see a bit of selling into the rally. Folks are upset about their 401K statements. But, I am very encouraged about the lack of evidence of computer driven trading. This looks like thoughtful people coming back in.
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wolfie Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:04:39pm |
re: #397 FrogMarch
the one good thing - If Obama gets in he will fuck everything up. His proposed tax schemes will be a disaster. the media will give Obama cover, but jobs will dry up and the economy will tank. (lucky us.) People will have no choice but to wake up.
It will all be blamed on George Bush.
Seriously. It will.
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Ben Hur Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:04:50pm |
Soldiers at Hawara checkpoint in Nablus shoot, wound Palestinian after finding three explosive device on his person
Just FYI:
The MSM (BBC, CNN) do not see this as a terror attack, while Israelis do.
They will refer to this period as a "period of relative calm, with no terror attacks since....."
Because without the bang, blood and glory, there is no attack.
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midwestgak Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:05:15pm |
The credit markets open tomorrow. Does any one know what that will do to the DOW?
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FrogMarch Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:05:18pm |
Somebody told me that Tuesday (tomorrow) is going to be the really big stock day.
We shall see.
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lawhawk Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:05:20pm |
re: #472 Cognito
You forget Harry Reid, who nearly sent insurance stocks into a persistent vegetative state.
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arethusa Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:05:41pm |
re: #334 poopeedoo
We haven't heard a peep lately from Biden. He must be shopping a lot at Home Depot.
He spoke yesterday, jumping on the "McCain is evil" bandwagon.
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lifeofthemind Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:05:54pm |
Waiting for headline "Market reponds to Obama's call for growth and reform." MSM will start pushing the story in 1...2...3......?
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Ben Hur Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:06:07pm |
In recent months, a number of attacks have been foiled at this same checkpoint. A dozen pipe bombs were discovered in two incidents this month. Earlier, Palestinian with six pipe bombs was caught in June, while in May a Palestinian was killed carrying four pipe bombs.
Relative calm.
Because these checkpoints actually cause terror.
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Intrepid Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:06:10pm |
re: #446 buzzsawmonkey
D'ow!
--Homer Simpson
He's registered to vote in Ohio, Nevada, Colorado, Florida and Pennsylvania. Several times in each state.
He's excited about all the free donuts Obama's gonna give him.
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wright1 Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:06:27pm |
Obama - "As I predicted, the economy is on the rebound because hard working Americans understand that I am going to give them rich folks money - that is the beauty of my tax plan. And as you see I was always a phone call away."
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subsailor68 Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:06:32pm |
re: #478 lawhawk
Amen! It would almost (no, not really) have been better if he'd named a specific company. The idiot sent the whole sector into a tailspin with that incredibly stupid comment.
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BBev Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:06:43pm |
re: #470 ibmkeyboard
Let's just hope Blarmey Frank Nancy Peloski and others keep their mouths shut.
You know they can't have this happen again so I'm sure they will make some kind of crises tomorrow morning
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Dianna Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:06:44pm |
OT, but maybe not:
The 80's had their moments!
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DeafDog Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:07:12pm |
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Intrepid Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:07:13pm |
re: #458 Sharmuta
The msm will give credit to 0bama's policy speech. Sheeple will buy into it.
Could be spun as a gain in the DOW as McCain's poll numbers creep upwards too, though.
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poopeedoo Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:08:48pm |
re: #464 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Nah, I smell fine, besides, I'm a guy...Oh, you said Touche...Never mind.
Eeew!
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Dianna Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:09:08pm |
re: #490 Sharmuta
Really? Wow!
I thought hating Billy Squier was one of those things...I find it torture.
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lawhawk Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:09:32pm |
re: #482 Ben Hur
You forget the bulldozer attacks (three of 'em IIRC). And the scattered mortar/kassam attacks and the failed attacks at other checkpoints....
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ibmkeyboard Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:09:35pm |
re: #478 lawhawk
You forget Harry Reid, who nearly sent insurance stocks into a persistent vegetative state.
/that bastard caused a friend of mine to have a heart attack.
He wants to sue Havey the Weed.
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poopeedoo Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:09:37pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:09:56pm |
re: #458 Sharmuta
The msm will give credit to 0bama's policy speech. Sheeple will buy into it.
But we aren't fooled. We need to remind everyone we know that it is GOP that can get us out of this mess. The left will just leave us floundering.
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faraway Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:10:04pm |
re: #489 Intrepid
Could be spun as a gain in the DOW as McCain's poll numbers creep upwards too, though.
ObamaNomics:
As Obama poll numbers go up, the Dow goes down.
As Obama poll numbers go down, the Dow goes up.
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ibmkeyboard Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:10:05pm |
re: #481 lifeofthemind
Waiting for headline "Market reponds to Obama's call for growth and reform." MSM will start pushing the story in 1...2...3......?
no shit.
just waiting
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legalpad Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:10:07pm |
re: #408 Cognito
Well, people here don't trust Time (I don't either) so they may feel that the magazine is prone to pander to dictators. But they are not stupid.
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arethusa Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:10:25pm |
re: #386 Cognito
A dufus who brings facts.
Absolutely right. "Man of the Year" tends to refer to "influential," not "good."
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poopeedoo Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:11:25pm |
re: #487 Dianna
OT, but maybe not:
The 80's had their moments!
Great song. Wasn't he with a group called The Babies or somethin'?
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:11:28pm |
re: #494 Dianna
Well- I guess it was my turn to musically surprise you. I never would have guessed you liked Nirvana, so now we're even.
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ibmkeyboard Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:11:40pm |
re: #499 faraway
ObamaNomics:
As Obama poll numbers go up, the Dow goes down.
As Obama poll numbers go down, the Dow goes up.
That needs to be on the front of every paper in America.
/fat chance!
slim chance!
What?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:12:20pm |
re: #483 Intrepid
He's registered to vote in Ohio, Nevada, Colorado, Florida and Pennsylvania. Several times in each state.
He's excited about all the free donuts Obama's gonna give him.
You forgot about Illinois, Missouri, and Massachusetts. There's a Springfield in each of those states.
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FrogMarch Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:12:33pm |
Drudge has this headline:
Obama Econ Plan: Includes Proposal He Previously Called "Disastrous.
Doesn't that make Obama erratic?
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OldLineTexan Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:12:50pm |
re: #504 Sharmuta
Well- I guess it was my turn to musically surprise you. I never would have guessed you liked Nirvana, so now we're even.
We need Smells Like Obama Spirit.
Won't even need new lyrics.
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Dianna Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:13:07pm |
Good for today: Just when you think you can let it rip...
You're pounding the pavement in your daddy's wingtips.
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Picayune Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:13:44pm |
re: #137 Sharmuta
This analysis, "It’s All Coming Down to a Few Key States" by Ari Kaufman, may help explain Mac's strategy of late.
A great read, I hope he's accurate: [Link: pajamasmedia.com...]
"Guilt by Participation" - ha! That's was my retort to the first clip on this topic last week here at LFG. Glad to see this moving in the right direction.
Meanwhile, RICO charges on Acorn/Ohio Sec.of State, now under court order, breaks tomorrow?
This is juciy! After 10 years of Acorn prosecutions nationwide for voter fraud - its a pattern. No more excuses - right in the jail on a multiple offender sentence, all of 'em from the top down.
Watch Obama try to squrim off of this hook - the "Community Organizer" who ran their Voter Project in Chi, funded them w/ Bill Ayers from the Woods Fund, and his own camapign's funding of above $800 k this year, and also filed suit for Acorn to ease voter registration fraud in Indiana!
Will the MSM even notice? Voters will. Stealing elections is as bad as it gets. Blood in the streets? Well, not if Nowhere man wins, Acorn will beccome a cabinet post w/ Ayers as Chairman.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:13:45pm |
re: #508 OldLineTexan
We need Smells Like Obama Spirit.
Won't even need new lyrics.
Obama Spirit smells like rancid fascism.
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Dianna Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:14:11pm |
re: #503 poopeedoo
Great song. Wasn't he with a group called The Babies or somethin'?
No idea. I love that song, and I've never heard anything of his other than that. He did a cover of "Ain't no Sunshine when She's Gone" that's so bad I feel obliged to warn people away from it.
But man, that's a great song, and one heck of a performance.
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Dianna Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:15:52pm |
re: #504 Sharmuta
Well- I guess it was my turn to musically surprise you. I never would have guessed you liked Nirvana, so now we're even.
Only the unplugged album; and half the songs I like on it aren't Nirvana.
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redstateredneck Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:16:56pm |
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FrogMarch Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:17:02pm |
Rush is on late here in CO.
I love what's he's saying:
'Obama wants to micromanage the private sector.'
'Obama thinks he's going to be the CEO of every company.'
'Someone needs to tell Obama to leave the private sector alone.'
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ibmkeyboard Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:17:17pm |
re: #507 FrogMarch
Drudge has this headline:
Obama Econ Plan: Includes Proposal He Previously Called "Disastrous.Doesn't that make Obama erratic?
If you elect me I will do everything for everyone in the USA,
Mexico, Russia, Georiga,
Universe.
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Who Watches the Watchmen? Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:17:35pm |
re: #507 FrogMarch
Drudge has this headline:
Obama Econ Plan: Includes Proposal He Previously Called "Disastrous.Doesn't that make Obama erratic?
No, that makes him a cynical bastard who will say anything.
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Dianna Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:17:37pm |
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Tamron Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:19:55pm |
re: #334 poopeedoo
We haven't heard a peep lately from Biden. He must be shopping a lot at Home Depot.
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poopeedoo Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:20:38pm |
re: #514 redstateredneck
The Babys.
Ah, yes. I like to pull 80's music facts out of the cobwebbed recesses of my brain without having to Google. Thanks for the info!
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redstateredneck Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:20:42pm |
re: #519 Dianna
Any particular song?
The Babys
Singles
1976 "If You've Got the Time"
1977 "Broken Heart"
1977 "Isn't It Time"
1978 "A Piece of the Action"
1978 "I'm Falling"
1979 "Everytime I Think of You" (best IMHO)
1979 "Love Don't Prove I'm Right" (Australia)
1979 "White Lightning"
1980 "Back on My Feet Again"
1980 "Midnight Rendezvous"
1980 "Turn and Walk Away"
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redstateredneck Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:21:48pm |
re: #521 poopeedoo
Ah, yes. I like to pull 80's music facts out of the cobwebbed recesses of my brain without having to Google. Thanks for the info!
I was a mom in the early 80's. The highlight of my week was Friday Night Videos.
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Dianna Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:22:05pm |
re: #522 redstateredneck
I shall begin working my way through that list.
That was a period when I had my radio off, I believe.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:22:10pm |
re: #488 DeafDog
re: #426 Beach Lover
re: #437 Charles
re: #438 BBev
re: #440 BBev
When the market was headed down, I hated those instant updates here. But, today, it is very pleasant.
I sold all my stock at the end of July.
This morning, I bought some.
one is up 24.81%
the other is up 20.85%
Now, I know there's a chance it will fluctuate downward tomorrow - but I'm hoping overall and in general, this uptick keeps on going
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:22:56pm |
re: #510 Picayune
Great article! Thanks for that- I'll be using it in the future.
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ibmkeyboard Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:23:50pm |
re: #510 Picayune
North Carolina is less than 20% black, so they’re safely Republican.
And pro military.
I will bet anyone 2000 shares of AIG stock,
no wait, its up......
I bet anyone ten dollars NC will go McCain.
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Dianna Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:25:11pm |
Eep!
The Babys are just awful.
Let's try Bad English, instead.
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wolfie Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:28:32pm |
re: #510 Picayune
re: #526 Sharmuta
Yes, that is a good article.
I noticed in the comments section someone said the percentage of Hillary supporters planning to vote for McCain had risen from 21% in June to 28% now. I wonder where the commenter got that info. IF it were true,......hmmmmmmm...............
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alien_mind Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:29:04pm |
re: #436 Sharmuta
Good for her for digging it up so we can deal with it before 0bama does, but for Pete's sake- she's not always the most level headed. She needs to suck it up until McCain defeats 0bama, and then we can deal with internal issues.
exactly. i admire her a lot, but right now is not the time to squabble over the immigration stuff. the stakes are high for all of us. we've got to buck up and keep this liar out of the oval office.
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redstateredneck Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:29:20pm |
re: #528 Dianna
Eep!
The Babys are just awful.
Let's try Bad English, instead.
The grew out of that Baby stage, I guess.
;-)
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poopeedoo Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:29:22pm |
re: #528 Dianna
Eep!
The Babys are just awful.
Let's try Bad English, instead.
Oh, but the hair style ~ yikes!
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Ojoe Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:30:24pm |
re: #21 Kosh's Shadow
If Ayers the bomber had swung at the end of a rope long ago, he would not be able to becloud a educator's minds today, nor launch a manipulative politician on worrisome runs at the white house.
But I wasn't on his jury.
Feh.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:33:36pm |
re: #529 wolfie
5-7 million PUMAs going for McCain- and they vote!
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Dianna Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:33:37pm |
re: #531 redstateredneck
It's just strange. I've clicked through about eight pieces, and cringed at all of them.
Then I go back to "I ain't missing You", and it's like night and day. It's as if he only had that one song in him; you can hear hints and promises of it in other pieces, but they never get there.
Great song, incredible performance. It's like therapy, only better.
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Crusty Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:33:48pm |
re: #351 Scion9
Here you go. Send them this article from Time Magazine, dated January 1938. It's a good read. Good as in gutwrenchingly disgusting. All about a wonderful German politician who was Time's 1938 Man of the Year; Adolf Hitler.
Oh, he's quite harmless, I'm sure we can contain him with diplomacy.
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Dianna Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:36:44pm |
re: #532 poopeedoo
Oh, but the hair style ~ yikes! [Link: www.youtube.com...]
I rather liked 80's hair. Remember the Romantics?
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:37:42pm |
re: #530 alien_mind
exactly. i admire her a lot, but right now is not the time to squabble over the immigration stuff. the stakes are high for all of us. we've got to buck up and keep this liar out of the oval office.
I believe we will have to stay watchful- they tried to give us the amnesty bill, and we called in, wrote, or otherwise gave them a piece of our minds. A McCain Presidency will be no different. But first we have to make sure there is a McCain presidency to keep an eye on. First things first- let's defeat the other guy. He's going to be much worse on all the other issues michelle cares about than John McCain!
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OldLineTexan Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:40:05pm |
re: #539 Sharmuta
I believe we will have to stay watchful- they tried to give us the amnesty bill, and we called in, wrote, or otherwise gave them a piece of our minds. A McCain Presidency will be no different. But first we have to make sure there is a McCain presidency to keep an eye on. First things first- let's defeat the other guy. He's going to be much worse on all the other issues michelle cares about than John McCain!
Obama will end illegal immigration from Mexico et. al. by CHANGING it to flow the other way as Norteamericanos head to the Yucatan to pick iguanas in the spring and sell Chiclets at the airport...
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poopeedoo Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:04:55pm |
re: #538 Dianna
I rather liked 80's hair. Remember the Romantics?
That's what I like about you... you hold me ti-eet! The 80's did have a lot of fun music.
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offendi Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:07:33pm |
re: #310 yma o hyd
Sure - but this election is not just about economic experience.
He may be telegenic - but he did not exactly get me off the seat when i heard his speech at the convention in St Paul.
So I doubt if he'd deliver better debates than McCain.And I am certain he would not have chosen Sarah Palin as his running mate. It would have been another nice enought Republican - and both would have bored the voters to tears by now.
B0 and his campaing would surely have run rings around them - and there would have been no PUMAs!As I said - its futile to speculate, and who is to say that McCain won't give him the economics portfolio.
Many Americans are going to vote for President based on looks and Mitt looks and sounds a lot more Presidential than McCain ( yes, I know shallow). To me McCain's real issue is lack of energy. Being honest, running for President is a younger man's game. McCain also has the baggage of many years in failed federal government. Mitt does not. Many of Hillary's supporters find Palin offensive, not their idea of a feminist candidate. At the end of the day I agree, we cannot go backwards. My concern about McCain is commitment and energy. This election is far more important than Bush-Dole. McCain has to suck it up and swing for the fences and show the honor he brought to himself as a POW.
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offendi Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:09:28pm |
re: #532 poopeedoo
Revealing perhaps, but I was a Depeche Mode fan. Understand that is considered kind of "emo" these days.
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SagamoreGal Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:16:31pm |
Why is it every time I see Ayers face I automatically think schoolchildren in this country will soon be called "Collective 0-0009" or "Fraternity 9-3452" as they are called in Ayn Rand's book "Anthem" ?(just about the scariest book about the coming take over of the education system by Communists that will make the NEA by contrast seem like an organization full of benevolent, patriotic, god-fearing citizens.)
(I've been on a Rand reading kick lately.)
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kansas Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:40:11pm |
Obama spoke on the economy today and the market had it's biggest one day gain ever. When Obama speaks, the markets listen./// That just got him a bunch of votes. Sheesh. Frustration.
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jaxgtr Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:41:42pm |
We so need to show that Ayers and Timothy McVeigh are the same type of person. Both blew up US property, both hate the US Govt and both killed people. Only real difference is that Ayer's got away with it and is not a educator not a murderer.
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Tamron Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:47:14pm |
re: #428 hazzyday
When Rev Wright visits the Whitehouse if Obama is elected the he'll want to paint over the oppressive history that the Whitehouse represents. Ayers will want to knock down the wings of the house as a symbol Amercia has met her match. Obama would be busy wearing his game face as he shells out billions to his friends as his political capital.
Have you forgotten the thousands of little ACORN tents and outhouses that will soon be on the White House lawn? CHANGE. EQUALITY. Thanks to THE ONE!
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Tamron Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:54:30pm |
re: #541 nnorb
Watch that hand Barry!
Hell, even Hillary prefers kissing Obama, over Slick Willy!
As they said on-air: How does Michelle feel about that?
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tradewind Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:08:58pm |
Why is this ' web-only'? It should be prime time on the networks.
McCain has got to throw the long one and quit wussing around with this.
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tradewind Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:09:37pm |
re: #548 Tamron
I'm still freaking over Attorney General Deval Patrick, thanks.....
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ljmw Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:31:44pm |
Does anyone here have any sway with the McCain campaign?
Today I heard someone ask a question for Obama that I think could have the potential of turning the election around.
The question is:
"Would you, Barrack Obama have kicked off a campaign or sat on a board with an unrepentant abortion clinic bomber?
Whatever his answer or non answer, even if he was Socrates, I don't think he could win on that point.
Several of those swing states are very pro-life.
McCain needs to ask the question.
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BigDog Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:54:31pm |
This is the latest web-only video from the Republican National Committee, on Barack Obama’s connections toformerWeather Underground terrorist William Ayers.
Fixed it for you.
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Marlin925 Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:41:42pm |
I just love the 0bamunists' choice of red-diaper-doper babies for homies.
The 0bamination wants a job that makes him commander in chief of the military and his home-boy Ayers tried to kill NCOs, the backbone of any military, at the Ft. Dix N.J. NCO club.
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