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RNC Video: 'Guilt By Participation'

Video | Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 11:16:35 am PDT

This is the latest web-only video from the Republican National Committee, on Barack Obama’s connections to former Weather Underground terrorist William Ayers.

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1 arethusa  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:18:21am

When will these web-only videos be on TV? This could be edited to 30-60 seconds, easy.

2 nigella  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:18:22am

I think the Ayers thing isn't helping. Acorn is where McCain should go in my opinion.

3 Cognito  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:18:59am

I look forward to their video in which they hit the subject of the economy.

4 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:19:08am

Career First. Country Second.

LOVE IT!

5 Thanos  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:19:21am

re: #2 nigella

I think the Ayers thing isn't helping. Acorn is where McCain should go in my opinion.

See the lead article at MM"s site.

6 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:20:32am

re: #2 nigella

I think the Ayers thing isn't helping. Acorn is where McCain should go in my opinion.

I disagree nigella, he should hammer both of them...BTW, Rush is playing the McCain rally tape in Manhattan now.

7 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:21:23am

re: #6 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I disagree nigella, he should hammer both of them...BTW, Rush is playing the McCain rally tape in Manhattan now.

I heard that tape. It's disgusting what was being shouted at the McCain rally.

8 Thanos  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:21:29am

re: #3 Cognito

I look forward to their video in which they hit the subject of the economy.

Certainly a lot of material there, and we've seen the surface scratched but barely.

9 twincitiesgirl  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:22:12am

The cover showing Ayers standing on the flag should have been full screen size.

10 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:22:48am

But Palin can't say he "pals around with terrorists" without some sandy little butthole calling it "reprehensible rhetoric".

Humpf!

11 nigella  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:23:01am

What happened at the Manhattan rally?

12 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:23:25am

The AD speaks for itself - at rather high volume.

-S-

13 Irene NYC  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:23:28am

Someone should start ask Obama if he will appoint Ayers as Sec'y of Education. And if not, why not. I'd like to see him answer that.

14 Ben Hur  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:23:39am

The MSM frames public opinion.

As long as the American MSM doesn't believe that Ayers is a terrorist, it will be a non-starter.

Just like the Palis and their BBC enablers.

I'm sure if McCain had even the slimest connection to, let's say David Duke, the MSM would've had his head months ago.

This is getting old.

The MSM thinks this country is racist, while ignoring the real racism of Europe, Arabia, Africa, Asia and everyother cullure/state that minorities do not exist - or are in so few numbers as not to count.

15 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:23:48am

Very nice! Big success!

Problem is, nobody cares about Ayers. It's Obama's continually changing story that has to be emphasized.

Remember, Nixon wasn't brought down by the Watergate burglars. It was the cover-up.

16 bellamags  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:24:21am

Its great, but unfortunately people who are already voting for McCain are the only ones who can appreciate this. I think most everyone has made up their minds. The only thing we can count on is low voter turnout for BHO.

17 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:24:26am

All of it needs to be hammered on, but ACORN/sub-prime/et cetera probably speaks louder to the average undecided right about now.

18 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:24:34am

re: #13 Irene NYC

Someone should start ask Obama if he will appoint Ayers as Sec'y of Education. And if not, why not. I'd like to see him answer that.

Maybe John will ask him on Wednesday.

19 arethusa  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:24:43am

OT: This belongs in the now-dying thread, but I'll post it here too.

Here's the video of Obama telling a plumber - whose business makes over 250K a year, that, yes, he would pay higher taxes because he needs to "spread the wealth."

20 Irene NYC  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:24:52am

re: #16 bellamags

Its great, but unfortunately people who are already voting for McCain are the only ones who can appreciate this. I think most everyone has made up their minds. The only thing we can count on is low voter turnout for BHO.

That's not going to happen. Count on the opposite.

21 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:25:05am

Since we're discussing Ayers, here's a letter to the Boston Globe from someone who is proud of his connection to Ayers.
Somehow, he neglects Ayers' present anti-Americanism, and downplays his past terrorist acts.
And he was headmaster of Brookline High, so we can see what is wrong with our educational system.

22 arethusa  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:25:05am

re: #13 Irene NYC

Someone should start ask Obama if he will appoint Ayers as Sec'y of Education. And if not, why not. I'd like to see him answer that.

"If not, why not?" I would love to hear that!

23 bellamags  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:25:08am

re: #14 Ben Hur

The MSM frames public opinion.

As long as the American MSM doesn't believe that Ayers is a terrorist, it will be a non-starter.

Just like the Palis and their BBC enablers.

I'm sure if McCain had even the slimest connection to, let's say David Duke, the MSM would've had his head months ago.

This is getting old.

The MSM thinks this country is racist, while ignoring the real racism of Europe, Arabia, Africa, Asia and everyother cullure/state that minorities do not exist - or are in so few numbers as not to count.

couldn't have said it better myself. awesome

24 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:25:18am

re: #15 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Very nice! Big success!

Problem is, nobody cares about Ayers. It's Obama's continually changing story that has to be emphasized.

Remember, Nixon wasn't brought down by the Watergate burglars. It was the cover-up.

And THAT is a VERY good point!

25 godfrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:25:20am

"Part of a pattern" means they're going to keep bringing more to the table.

26 mitthrawnurdo  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:25:25am

re: #13 Irene NYC

That would require the media to actually do their jobs instead of being in the tank for the Messiah.

27 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:25:26am
28 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:25:34am

re: #15 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Very nice! Big success!

Problem is, nobody cares about Ayers. It's Obama's continually changing story that has to be emphasized.

Remember, Nixon wasn't brought down by the Watergate burglars. It was the cover-up.

"www" -

Good point. As with former Pres. Clinton - not the adultery - the PERJURY.

-S-

29 bellamags  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:25:50am

re: #20 Irene NYC

how about PRAY for low voter turnout?

30 nigella  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:26:44am

IreneNYC, someone should ask Obama a bunch of questions,but that's the problem The LSM is in the tank for him. No other candidate would get the fawning coverage Obama has. No other candidate with as thin a resume would even make it to the primaries let alone as the Presidential candidate. Strange and dangerous times we are living in.

31 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:26:47am

Yawn!

/mike allen at the politico

32 Ben Hur  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:26:49am

re: #23 bellamags


Thanks, B.

33 Irene NYC  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:27:00am

re: #29 bellamags

how about PRAY for low voter turnout?

While we're at it, pray for lousy weather too.
;)

34 mitthrawnurdo  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:27:17am

re: #19 arethusa

Scary. Unfortuantely, most in the crowd probabily didn't care about that posting of Marxist bs by Obama.

35 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:27:29am

re: #17 pre-Boomer Marine brat

All of it needs to be hammered on, but ACORN/sub-prime/et cetera probably speaks louder to the average undecided right about now.

Not just the sub-prime mess, but the voter fraud as well. If Americans learned the the same group that had it's fingers in the pie of the economic trouble was the same group trying to defraud our votes, I think there would be some strong blowback.

36 opnion  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:28:06am

When the Ayers Association surfaced, the Obama Campaign put out a ststement, that Ayers is just a neighborhood guy that Obama knew from their children going to school together.
The Obama children are grade schoolers & Ayers kids are adults.

37 gymnast  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:28:15am

re: #3 Cognito

I look forward to their video in which they hit the subject of the economy.

I look forward to the day when the American people realize what a corrupt "free Press" has done to them. Good luck Cognito, you are going to need a bucket of it.

38 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:28:17am

re: #29 bellamags

how about PRAY for low voter turnout?

"bella" -

As a practical matter - Pray for Rain - tends to dampen spirits of folks who aren't die-hards.

-S-

39 joncelli  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:28:20am

Not bad. A bit long. Let's hope they take arethusa's advice and edit it down, then make a massive ad buy during the football games on the weekend before November 5. Let's hope that's what McCain is saving his money for.

40 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:28:45am

Oh, please please please run this tonight during MNF, Sen. McCain!

41 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:29:01am

ayers is tied to ACORN too. 0bama and ayers were on the Woods Fund together. The Woods Fund gave money to ACORN.

42 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:29:46am

This is vastly better than the previous one--it was too jittery, too unfocused.

43 bellamags  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:29:56am

re: #32 Ben Hur

The leftist media is the real and dangerous problem. Conservatives really need to find a way to combat it. I try to tell everyone (without seeming like a freak) about media bias.

But the media has total control over everything and it is scary. Even commercials for products have been skewed to subtly sway people. Every commercial makes the white middle aged man seem like a moron. But women and minorities are the heros. It is sad and frightening.

44 Colonel Panik  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:30:27am

re: #19 arethusa

OT: This belongs in the now-dying thread, but I'll post it here too.

Here's the video of Obama telling a plumber - whose business makes over 250K a year, that, yes, he would pay higher taxes because he needs to "spread the wealth."

Unionized Plumber Americans for Obama

45 joncelli  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:30:35am

re: #39 joncelli

November 4, I mean. November 5 is when the 18 to 25-year-old bloc votes. (Wink wink, nudge nudge.)

46 Opinionated  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:30:54am

Unlike the Liberal media and press and the Democrats, I/we believe this connection between the two is important.

So what does it tell you about the McCain campaign, and the GOP, that they don't have the balls to run this effective ad on TV but leave it for the web only where mostly supporters will just be reinforced.

47 twincitiesgirl  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:31:11am

There's a shocking and disgusting* post on the Wake Up America blog about what Obama supporters call Palin with virtually no media coverage at all
*warning adult content

48 opnion  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:31:30am

re: #41 Sharmuta

ayers is tied to ACORN too. 0bama and ayers were on the Woods Fund together. The Woods Fund gave money to ACORN.

Yup, & the Obama Campaign donated $800,000 to Acorn during the pimaries.
In turn, the non partisan Acorn contributed to Obama & endorsed him.

49 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:31:43am

re: #45 joncelli

You're wrong, Election Day is Nov. 6th. ;)

50 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:32:09am

re: #35 Sharmuta

Not just the sub-prime mess, but the voter fraud as well. If Americans learned the the same group that had it's fingers in the pie of the economic trouble was the same group trying to defraud our votes, I think there would be some strong blowback.

Yeah, I was typing fast. ACORN is both the CRA and voter fraud in my lingo. That "We Will Not Be Silenced" video is something else too!

51 joncelli  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:32:22am

re: #44 Colonel Panik

Now THERE'S a video the McCain campaign can get some mileage out of. Barack Obama: closet socialist.

52 arethusa  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:32:43am

re: #36 opnion

Actually, Ayers took in the child of two fellow radicals when they were jailed. I don't know how old that girl is, but she may be near Obama's children in age.

53 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:32:46am

re: #48 opnion

Yup, & the Obama Campaign donated $800,000 to Acorn during the pimaries.
In turn, the non partisan Acorn contributed to Obama & endorsed him.

So ACORN isn't a two-fer so much as it's a three-fer-

Financial Crisis
Voter Fraud
Dirty Chicago Machine

54 Eowyn2  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:32:48am

re: #19 arethusa

OT: This belongs in the now-dying thread, but I'll post it here too.

Here's the video of Obama telling a plumber - whose business makes over 250K a year, that, yes, he would pay higher taxes because he needs to "spread the wealth."


Of course he must. He can start by paying me for the opportunity to replumb my whole house. He will then garner a loss on the transaction and both he and I will feel better.

55 bellamags  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:32:56am

re: #47 twincitiesgirl

horrible. fucking horrible.

56 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:33:10am

Who cares? We're all gonna get free stuff!
/

57 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:33:14am
58 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:33:33am

re: #40 MandyManners

Oh, please please please run this tonight during MNF, Sen. McCain!

You've got to be kidding. Run this ad during football. No way in hell. That would be like, un-American. You must be out of your mind. I'm not interested in the campaign, just football.

/s

59 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:33:52am

re: #57 buzzsawmonkey

We should have formed a Lizard PAC to run our own ads!

60 godfrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:34:15am

So with all this emphasis on his shady connections, does this mean Obama is now considered "qualified" as a candidate?

What happened to "not ready to lead." Has that point been conceded?

Are people forgetting that Obama has no serious executive, legislative, or professional experience?

All he has is advisors, which means that everyone really needs to look at who this nonentity is surrounding himself with.

So make the connection between his shady connections and his inexperience.

This is not a guy you can trust.

61 legalpad  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:34:19am

re: #43 bellamags

The project should be, get control of or start a new broadcast TV network. Not just cable, but broadcast TV. In every home. This should be a moon-landing like project to conservatives.

62 JohnAdams  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:34:32am

re: #2 nigella

I think the Ayers thing isn't helping. Acorn is where McCain should go in my opinion.


I agree. Obama is deep in the ACORN swamp, right back to his beginnings, easily traceable. And ACORN is directly complicit in the credit crash. It's the economy, stupid.

63 Eowyn2  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:34:33am

re: #36 opnion

When the Ayers Association surfaced, the Obama Campaign put out a ststement, that Ayers is just a neighborhood guy that Obama knew from their children going to school together.
The Obama children are grade schoolers & Ayers kids are adults.

Perhaps Ayers children are, well, handicapped. We dont know for sure. Although it would be a terrible social tragedy if so. How could they have considered giving birth to an handicapped child?

64 mitthrawnurdo  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:34:45am

re: #47 twincitiesgirl

But the Republicans are anti-women!

/Why isn't the media reporting on this? Rhetorical question.

65 Brees  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:34:55am

The link to the McCain supporters walk through Manhattan. Probably will be pulled soon.

Poor little Obama Socialist supporters. They can't handle someone who's views are different

66 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:35:00am

re: #56 Killgore Trout

Who cares? We're all gonna get free stuff!
/

Just some of us will get the gold mine, the others will get the shaft.

I'm not much for country music, but I loved Jerry Reed.

67 FrogMarch  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:35:32am

re: #56 Killgore Trout

Who cares? We're all gonna get free stuff!
/

I'm quiting my job and going with Obama's plan.
Most small and medium sized businesses will be taxed out of existence anyway. Might as well get an early start.

/weeee!

68 twincitiesgirl  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:35:32am

re: #19 arethusa

Spread the love around? That needs to be in a McCain ad ASAP and he better come down hard on the huge difference between them on the economy in his last debate. Most hard working people I know are generous to a fault, but they want to decide where they "spread the love."

69 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:35:54am

re: #61 legalpad

Have you seen their ratings lately? Even in this election cycle their numbers are going down. I say let them continue- give them more rope. Do not stop your enemy when they are busy defeating themselves.

70 joekowalski247  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:36:02am

this ad is obviously 'RACIST' since it isn't available 'en Espanol'
Mr. Sarcastic

71 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:36:30am
72 FrogMarch  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:36:34am

re: #40 MandyManners

Oh, please please please run this tonight during MNF, Sen. McCain!

I know. This web only stuff only gets you so far.
Run it during "The View" as well..

73 Perry  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:36:39am

If the RICO suit gets filed tomorrow, McCain should hammer him with it at the debate Wed.

74 arethusa  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:37:17am

re: #60 godfrey

"Ready to lead" is still part of McCain ads. This was an RNC ad.

75 bellamags  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:37:19am

re: #61 legalpad

that network would be demonized just like FOX. educating people on socialism and communism and making them aware of the LSM, is the only sure way to fix the problem.

Give a man a fish or teach him how to fish type thing.

76 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:37:21am

re: #49 Slumbering Behemoth

You're wrong, Election Day is Nov. 6th. ;)

You're both dead wrong! Bush will declare Marshall Law November 3rd, cancel the November 4th election, and name himself "President for life".

/You obviously don't read "progressive" websites.

77 JohnAdams  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:37:33am

re: #67 FrogMarch

I'm quiting my job and going with Obama's plan.
Most small and medium sized businesses will be taxed out of existence anyway. Might as well get an early start.

/weeee!

My buddy said the same thing today. Get a trailer home, keep it under $25K a year, and await The One who bears goodies.

78 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:37:43am

re: #72 FrogMarch

I know. This web only stuff only gets you so far.
Run it during "The View" as well..

Not everyone who needs to see these ads is wired.

79 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:38:16am

re: #78 MandyManners

LOL!

80 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:38:22am

re: #56 Killgore Trout

Who cares? We're all gonna get free stuff!
/

uh ... but who do I put the arm on in Congress to get my free plane ticket to my Hawaiian beach mansion?

/but I refuse to go behind Barney's back

81 arethusa  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:38:39am

re: #59 Sharmuta

We should have formed a Lizard PAC to run our own ads!

It's not too late to do it for 2010 and take back Congress. Which should be our next goal, no matter who wins.

82 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:38:43am

re: #78 MandyManners

Oh- wait- I thought you wrote "weird".

83 Gallatin  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:38:45am

re: #2 nigella

I think the Ayers thing isn't helping. Acorn is where McCain should go in my opinion.

Agreed. The "Ayers connection" is a non-starter. There is far more widespread anger and acknowledgment of the Acorn travesty than there is regarding Ayers.

84 legalpad  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:38:49am

re: #69 Sharmuta

Well, I'm not saying stop them, I'm just saying get something going ourselves. If we enjoy FOX news, how much would we enjoy and entire broadcast network that doesn't try to skew reality like the looneys in Hollywood see it.

85 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:39:03am

re: #56 Killgore Trout

Who cares? We're all gonna get free stuff!
/

Woman! Yea!

86 offendi  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:39:16am

As someone who lives in one of the most liberal infested parts of the country I recall what some of my liberal friends had to say about Bush's election, namely that the religious right would take over the country, abortion would be illegal, the government headed by Darth Cheney would be invading a new country every week, Bush would institute the draft, etc. etc.. Well, 8 years later, where is it?

In the same vein I would offer the following fantasy (?) scenario

(All press wires) September, 2011 Dear Leader Obama declares Martial Law.

Today President, Dear Leader, and Light of the Nation, Barrack Obama declared martial law and a national curfew, citing wide-spread rioting by " criminal elements" in cities throughout the United States. Opposition groups contend that the non-violent protests were due to food shortages and difficulties in finding any paying work, and claim Obama has mishandled the economic depression since being sworn-in as President in January, 2009. Obama announced that the "Acorn" paramilitary division of the Obama National Movement would be out on the streets of major cities to ensure the curfew was kept. The recent sale of Alaska to Russia for 20 billion dollars did not generate enough capital to move forward with Dear Leader Obama's job creation scheme, although a new tax break was quickly pushed through Congress raising taxes on all Americans making over $30,000 a year. " The few rich that remain in America must pay, it is their patriotic duty" President Obama said. Dear Leader Obama also supported Secretary of Collectivization Bill Ayers for insisting that citizens whose homes were purchased by the federal government merge into communes and work in commune established light industry and manufacturing plants. " The days of capitalism are over, " a smiling Secretary Ayers said.

87 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:39:28am
88 LieSeeker  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:39:44am

When the "New Party" endorsement is mentioned, remember that Obama signed a contract with the New Party in order to be an endorsed candidate. He participated, he did not only sit in a pew.

89 mitthrawnurdo  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:39:53am

re: #85 Walter L. Newton


But they'll all look like Helen Thomas.

/With none of the charm.

90 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:40:25am

re: #76 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

You're both dead wrong! Bush will declare Marshall Law November 3rd, cancel the November 4th election, and name himself "President for life".

/You obviously don't read "progressive" websites.


don't forget, he is going to reinstate the draft too
and make all young males from 18-38 register at the White House

91 jorline  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:40:40am

re: #47 twincitiesgirl

There's a shocking and disgusting* post on the Wake Up America blog about what Obama supporters call Palin with virtually no media coverage at all
*warning adult content

They're fucking disgusting.
Sharp looking group...the guys all look like they still live at home with Mom and Dad.

Liberals=POOP
Party
Of
Obtrusive
Progressives

92 bellamags  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:40:44am

re: #86 offendi

ridiculous

93 sbvft contributor  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:40:48am

"Web only". Why is it all the good ads never make it to the telly? I didn't send McCain any money and it appears to have been a smart decision. They don't seserve the $ if their not going to put ads like this where people will see them. McCain deserves to lose. Lousy candidate. Lousy campaign. Palin/Romey 2012.

94 Cognito  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:40:48am

re: #37 gymnast

I look forward to the day when the American people realize what a corrupt "free Press" has done to them. Good luck Cognito, you are going to need a bucket of it.

Why's that?

95 joncelli  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:41:12am

The football weekend before the election is the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd (Monday Night Football). Don't run anything on Saturday -- the college fans won't care and everybody else will be out running errands. Start on the afternoon games on Sunday. I envision a long commercial in 30-second chunks. The idea is to define BHO. Start with a commercial on where he grew up and how he worshipped at a mosque in his youth (30 seconds). Go on to his early career as a lawyer and the ACORN suits (1 minute). Continue with the New Party and his career being launched by Ayers (90 seconds). Finish up with Reverend Wright and his non-participation in Congress, as well as his other radical associations (2 minutes total).

Then, on MNF, start critiquing his economic policies. You might get some mileage out of linking him directly to Reid and Pelosi (30 seconds). Replay the video of the plumber being told that he has to put up with more taxation (1 minute). Then, make the last two commercials about John McCain -- his sacrifice, his faith in America, his record of accomplisment (two commercials of 30 seconds each).

What the hell, it's as good a plan as any that the McCain campaign seems to have.

96 FrogMarch  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:42:12am

re: #77 JohnAdams

My buddy said the same thing today. Get a trailer home, keep it under $25K a year, and await The One who bears goodies.

Obama's tax schemes (coupled with a congress controlled by crazy stupid corrupt democrats like Harry and Nancy) make most people want to give up.
I work with successful people who say to me - "If Obama gets in - we are taking it all off the table" . Children and young adults are excited about Obama, but many of us who have been down this road are scared shitless.

Hope, my ass. I feel nothing but dread.

97 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:42:18am

re: #82 Sharmuta

Oh- wait- I thought you wrote "weird".

Both work.

98 godfrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:42:36am

Obama: And as President, I assure you, I will do everything, in my power, in the power you give me, because this is a democracy, to ensure that all our elections are conducted with fairness and integrity.

McCain: I'm glad to hear the junior Senator from Illinois speaking so well now of the democratic process. I wonder whether this represents a change from his views just recently during the primaries, when he gave $800,000 to an organization called ACORN, which has been implicated in multiple counts of voter fraud. I wonder whether this represents a change from his "community organizing" with ACORN, training them, during a time when ACORN operatives were known to intimidate banks into making risky loans that landed us in this massive financial crisis [and so on]. You sure speak well, but given your record, I can't imagine why anyone would trust you.

Something like that.

99 legalpad  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:42:37am

re: #75 bellamags

that network would be demonized just like FOX. educating people on socialism and communism and making them aware of the LSM, is the only sure way to fix the problem.

Give a man a fish or teach him how to fish type thing.

Of course it would be demonized. That doesn't hurt FOX ratings. Many of those who need educating are innocently ignorant and have to be spoon fed via "entertainment". The MSM does that now. And MSM's demonizing wouold backfire.

100 Penguinchic  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:42:54am

re: #90 Adrenalyn

Not just men, I read today that he thinks women need to enroll in selective service, so he would draft them as well.

101 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:43:01am

re: #52 arethusa

Actually, Ayers took in the child of two fellow radicals when they were jailed. I don't know how old that girl is, but she may be near Obama's children in age.

Here is info about the child of Boudin and no she is not even close to Obama's kids age .........another lie .....

[Link: www.slate.com...]

I know I hate the slate but the article is what it is ....

Weatherson
CHESA BOUDIN, RADICAL CHIC RHODES SCHOLAR.
By Emily Yoffe
Posted Monday, Dec. 9, 2002, at 7:22 PM ET

102 offendi  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:43:47am

re: #92 bellamags

ridiculous

never say never.

103 Crusty  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:43:51am

I had an incredible web debate this weekend with a couple of moonbats who tried to argue to me that Ayers couldn't possibly be a terrorist because he was named Citizen of the Year in Chicago and works as a professor at UIC. Even after I pointed out the US Capitol, Pentagon and NYC HQ bombings they thought because he was never convicted (due to the FBI illegally obtaining evidence) that he doesn't qualify as a terrorist.

You cannot reason with unreasonable people. Libs could watch this video 100 times and still think they're watching Mr. Roger's Neighborhood.

104 angrywhitedad  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:44:00am

Just left the McCain Palin website and unless there's some internals we don't know about why in the hell would he be sending Palin to Maine and New Hampshire for pretty much the remainder of the week?

105 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:44:32am

re: #104 angrywhitedad

Because there are internals we don't know about.

106 godfrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:44:44am

Bill Ayers should be rotting in jail. He's guilty. He got off on a technicality.

107 Alouette  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:44:55am

OT

Last night I watched the DVD of "Don't Mess with the Zohan." 90 minutes of my life that I will never get back. That movie sucked like...like...there is no Black Hole in the Universe that sucks as much as that movie did.

Adam Sandler's acting...(and I use the term with extreme generosity)...it must have been in his contract that no other "actor" in the movie can have better skills...they all sucked...this movie should win the Suck Oscar.

The portrayal of Israelis as hummus-gobbling imbecile DIBs, I have met a few of that species.

Now for brain bleach, I will have to watch "Ushpizin" about six times.

108 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:45:15am

McCain should use Ayers
he should also mention ACORN
and virtually all the democrat dirt there is

make America realize he is running against an entire party
and an entirely corrupt party
with a media-in-conspiracy partner

as someone else so eloquently said earlier:

are you better off today than 2 years ago
when Pelosi and Reid took over

follow up with
do you remember Jimmy Carter and being held hostage by Iran
well folks (stay away from "my friends") we could be back to square one again with them again if you elect Obama and the surrendering Democrats again

109 BigJohn  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:45:16am

Obama is like an information dump. He is so dirty and such an unbelievably unqualified candidate, it is almost impossible to focus on the worst aspect of his candidacy. It leaves McCain scatter-shooting. It is a crime that the MSM won't focus on any.

110 arethusa  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:45:36am

Today's Gallup has Obama up by 8.5? I didn't even know they did .5 points.

Rasmussen and Zogby have better news, though. And Gallup has buried in their report that among their likely-voter pollees Obama has about a 4 point lead (on patterico.com, which just now is not loading, so I can't link it).

111 joncelli  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:45:49am

re: #104 angrywhitedad

NH is up for grabs but Maine is blue. That really is a curious choice.

112 bellamags  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:46:07am

re: #99 legalpad

Of course it would be demonized. That doesn't hurt FOX ratings. Many of those who need educating are innocently ignorant and have to be spoon fed via "entertainment". The MSM does that now. And MSM's demonizing wouold backfire.

The people watching fox are not the ones needing to be educated. The people watching the LSM are the ones needing the information. They don't watch Fox.

After I explain the difference between liberalism and conservatism to most of my young employees who think they are liberal, most of them realize they are in fact conservatives. I dissect their paycheck and explain the deductions. That gets them every time.

113 rightside  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:46:37am

Looks like the ball may start rolling after all, we can only hope.

Notice the newsreader dude says this could impact voting for months to come.

114 JohnAdams  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:47:09am

re: #99 legalpad

Of course it would be demonized. That doesn't hurt FOX ratings. Many of those who need educating are innocently ignorant and have to be spoon fed via "entertainment". The MSM does that now. And MSM's demonizing wouold backfire.

I've gotta believe Soros is bankrolling that disgusting Oliver Stone hitpiece on GW. They are running ads on TV constantly and all of these propaganda films have tanked at the box office.

Oliver Stone couldn't tongue-wash George Bush's .

115 notutopia  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:47:23am

re: #24 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The cover up exposure took years to legally prepare. We don't have TIME to wait for the cover up in this upcoming election. McCain has to start Assertively presenting Obamas non-disclosures of his relationships, associations, affiliations, and voting record up NOW! It needs to be done with tact, truth, and validated with FACTS! It needs to be done on TV where it cannot be edited by the LSM. This will require McCain to muster some personal aggressive characteristics that he fears going out of control, like his temperament and to challenge his personal Views as not being polite or politically correct. It's Past Due Time to represent each and everyone of us in exposing Obama to the world, that which will not be spoken by the MSM!
This election is dependent upon these issues being revealed to the masses.

116 Spenser (with an S)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:47:33am

re: #38 Dr. Shalit

re: #29 bellamags

how about PRAY for low voter turnout?

"bella" -

As a practical matter - Pray for Rain - tends to dampen spirits of folks who aren't die-hards.

Is it sacrilegious to pray for a huge load of cheap weed to hit town that Monday?

117 godfrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:47:36am

re: #110 arethusa

Not a problem. If Lefty believes Obama should be up by 11 at this point, make the polls say so. If he's only up by 8, make it 8.5.

If it's a toss-up, don't report it.

Lefty is sweating and starting to shout. Go for the kill.

118 Ozark Mountain Daredevil[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:47:47am
119 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:47:48am

re: #107 Alouette

OT

Last night I watched the DVD of "Don't Mess with the Zohan." 90 minutes of my life that I will never get back. That movie sucked like...like...there is no Black Hole in the Universe that sucks as much as that movie did.

Adam Sandler's acting...(and I use the term with extreme generosity)...it must have been in his contract that no other "actor" in the movie can have better skills...they all sucked...this movie should win the Suck Oscar.

The portrayal of Israelis as hummus-gobbling imbecile DIBs, I have met a few of that species.

Now for brain bleach, I will have to watch "Ushpizin" about six times.

I could tell it sucked from the previews and reviews (even the ones who liked the movie.) Besides, I never liked Adam Sandler.

120 arethusa  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:47:49am

re: #104 angrywhitedad

Just left the McCain Palin website and unless there's some internals we don't know about why in the hell would he be sending Palin to Maine and New Hampshire for pretty much the remainder of the week?

No, this is the result of abandoning Michigan. McCain now has two good options for winning the electoral vote:

1) Flip Pennsylvania.
2) Get New Hamphire. This would result in an Electoral College tie, which goes to Obama (Democratic House would elect the President). Thus, McCain needs one more electoral vote. Maine splits its electoral votes, and McCain is going after the northern Congressional District in ME, the second district, which has its own electoral vote. If he gets that and NH, he has 270, if he also keeps most of the Bush states.

121 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:47:51am
122 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:48:33am

re: #93 sbvft contributor

Piss off.

123 offendi  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:48:36am

re: #96 FrogMarch

Obama's tax schemes (coupled with a congress controlled by crazy stupid corrupt democrats like Harry and Nancy) make most people want to give up.
I work with successful people who say to me - "If Obama gets in - we are taking it all off the table" . Children and young adults are excited about Obama, but many of us who have been down this road are scared shitless.

Hope, my ass. I feel nothing but dread.

The tax plan is pablum and cat nip for the non-productive people in our society who can still vote ( many times over, it seems ). Problem is, small businesses will cut back on jobs. Barry is the Homer Simpson of the Tax Code. And his senile VP thinks losing jobs is "patriotic".

124 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:48:52am

Crap, I technically posted his address, a boo-boo.

125 bellamags  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:49:11am

...

126 arethusa  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:49:13am

re: #101 JacksonTn

It's a pretty critical article. Good.

127 Desert Dog  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:49:16am

re: #112 bellamags

The people watching fox are not the ones needing to be educated. The people watching the LSM are the ones needing the information. They don't watch Fox.

After I explain the difference between liberalism and conservatism to most of my young employees who think they are liberal, most of them realize they are in fact conservatives. I dissect their paycheck and explain the deductions. That gets them every time.

"hey, hey, hey, it's, it's, it's, so, so, so, nice, nice, nice, in, in, in, this, this, this, echo, echo, echo, chamber, chamber, chamber......" I bet the majority of Obama supporters do not know many people that are voting for McCain. That is why they will be in stunned disbelief if McCain wins. They are all thinking this election is just now a formality and Obama has already won.

128 notutopia  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:49:36am

re: #85 Walter L. Newton

You're thinking with the wrong head!

129 BigJohn  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:49:50am

re: #111 joncelli

NH is up for grabs but Maine is blue. That really is a curious choice.

I was curious as to why Obambi was running ads here in North Texas during the Cowboys' game yesterday. Texas is not in play for him. He either has money to burn or his campaign isn't very bright. Maybe someone here knows how those things work.

130 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:50:10am

re: #107 Alouette


Now for brain bleach, I will have to watch "Ushpizin" about six times.


I loved Usphizin. Who knew Sukkot had its own holiday movie?

131 FrogMarch  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:50:13am

Mark Foley's Old Seat

So much for combating the "culture of corruption."
h/t: KJL

So glad our tax money goes to pay mistresses.

132 JohnnyReb  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:50:21am

re: #113 rightside

Looks like the ball may start rolling after all, we can only hope.

Notice the newsreader dude says this could impact voting for months to come.

One good thing from this election is ACORN is dead. Way too many MSM guys are reporting on it. They are dead.

133 JohnAdams  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:50:25am

re: #114 JohnAdams

I've gotta believe Soros is bankrolling that disgusting Oliver Stone hitpiece on GW. They are running ads on TV constantly and all of these propaganda films have tanked at the box office.

Oliver Stone couldn't tongue-wash George Bush's .


...jockstrap!
PIMF (forgot to turn on child filter)

134 arethusa  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:50:26am

re: #111 joncelli

NH is up for grabs but Maine is blue. That really is a curious choice.

No, see my #118. It's a strategy.

135 Tricky Dick  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:50:33am
136 joncelli  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:50:53am

re: #120 arethusa

Okay, that actually makes sense. Of course he has to get FL and OH too, and hold IN.

137 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:51:09am

McCain/Palin have also spent time in the upper mid-west blue states of Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa and Michigan. I simply cannot believe that if the race in the battleground states were as tight as the polls are telling us, that McCain would waste his time in blue states- I just don't think he's that stupid.

There is something going on- McCain's numbers must be showing him he can make a move on these blue states and leave the battleground, or we would not be seeing this.

138 bellamags  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:51:10am

re: #127 Desert Dog

you are probably right. lets hope.

139 arethusa  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:51:23am

re: #134 arethusa

No, see my #118. It's a strategy.

Meant #120.

140 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:51:24am

re: #128 notutopia

You're thinking with the wrong head!

And the problem is? /

141 Desert Dog  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:51:34am

re: #129 BigJohn

Maybe is was a national ad? He apparently has a printing press over at O-Headquarters, either that or an endless supply of brainwashed donors.

142 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:51:50am
143 Spenser (with an S)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:52:11am

re: #120 arethusa


re: #104 angrywhitedad

Just left the McCain Palin website and unless there's some internals we don't know about why in the hell would he be sending Palin to Maine and New Hampshire for pretty much the remainder of the week?

No, this is the result of abandoning Michigan. McCain now has two good options for winning the electoral vote:

1) Flip Pennsylvania.
2) Get New Hamphire. This would result in an Electoral College tie, which goes to Obama (Democratic House would elect the President). Thus, McCain needs one more electoral vote. Maine splits its electoral votes, and McCain is going after the northern Congressional District in ME, the second district, which has its own electoral vote. If he gets that and NH, he has 270, if he also keeps most of the Bush states.

According to his campaign, they are both coming back to MI later this month for 2+ days. I'm planning on going.

144 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:52:14am

re: #132 JohnnyReb

One good thing from this election is ACORN is dead. Way too many MSM guys are reporting on it. They are dead.

Not if Obama get elected.

145 DeafDog  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:52:48am

re: #56 Killgore Trout

Who cares? We're all gonna get free stuff!
/

Yeah...and all those rich people will pay. Finally!

/sarc

146 faraway  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:52:53am

Sometimes you feel like a nut.

147 offendi  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:52:57am

re: #107 Alouette

Most Israeli films today are about gay issues or unhappy arabs, they even have a porn film made in Israel. The extreme left are mostly the film makers there today, sadly.
The movie you mention is one of a few that are actually sympathetic to the haredi. Most are not.

148 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:53:02am

re: #132 JohnnyReb

One good thing from this election is ACORN is dead. Way too many MSM guys are reporting on it. They are dead.

They will just go dormant for a bit and mutate into some other corrupt entity of the Left.

149 arethusa  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:53:12am

re: #143 Spenser (with an S)

According to his campaign, they are both coming back to MI later this month for 2+ days. I'm planning on going.

So he IS coming back to Michigan? Good news. Are there ads back on there?

150 JohnAdams  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:53:39am

re: #124 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Crap, I technically posted his address, a boo-boo.

He'll be plastered with moonbat guano for sure!

151 Ben Hur  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:53:40am

re: #43 bellamags

The leftist media is the real and dangerous problem. Conservatives really need to find a way to combat it. I try to tell everyone (without seeming like a freak) about media bias.

But the media has total control over everything and it is scary. Even commercials for products have been skewed to subtly sway people. Every commercial makes the white middle aged man seem like a moron. But women and minorities are the heros. It is sad and frightening.

They are unassailable.

They brush off any critisism with "They always blame the media." It's their shield.

And their sword is, "Questions still remain."

152 Desert Dog  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:54:19am

re: #144 Walter L. Newton

I agree, ACORN will be elevated and we shall not see an end to the "Truth Squads" either should he make it in the White House. Both will be out in force, to reassure term #2.

153 JohnnyReb  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:54:22am

re: #144 Walter L. Newton

Not if Obama get elected.


Dead and gone no matter who gets elected. If the MSM all across the board is reporting it, it is dead.

154 bellamags  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:54:26am

re: #151 Ben Hur

its depressing.

155 Ben Hur  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:54:46am

re: #43 bellamags

The leftist media is the real and dangerous problem. Conservatives really need to find a way to combat it. I try to tell everyone (without seeming like a freak) about media bias.

But the media has total control over everything and it is scary. Even commercials for products have been skewed to subtly sway people. Every commercial makes the white middle aged man seem like a moron. But women and minorities are the heros. It is sad and frightening.

Apparently, women do not get diarrhea.

156 arethusa  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:54:49am

re: #137 Sharmuta

McCain/Palin have also spent time in the upper mid-west blue states of Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa and Michigan. I simply cannot believe that if the race in the battleground states were as tight as the polls are telling us, that McCain would waste his time in blue states- I just don't think he's that stupid.

There is something going on- McCain's numbers must be showing him he can make a move on these blue states and leave the battleground, or we would not be seeing this.

Yes - what people tend to forget is that the polls are national. They measure the popular vote. But the Presidency is decided by the electoral vote. So I agree, there must be something that is motivating visits to states that would seem foregone conclusions. Otherwise he would just be in PA, VA, and OH always.

157 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:55:11am

re: #135 Tricky Dick

OT

Segragation is alive and well in Chigaco!

From link:

Elected officials in Chicago made international news last week by proposing to create a public high school for gay, lesbian and transgender students.

How screwed up do you have to be to be a transgender high school student?

158 tradewind  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:55:21am

This just made me throw up in my mouth a little......

[Link: www.palmbeachpost.com...]

159 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:55:39am

re: #155 Ben Hur

Apparently, women do not get diarrhea.

Nor bad breath. Women only get the "good" diseases, and then only once a month.

160 legalpad  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:55:47am

re: #112 bellamags

The people watching fox are not the ones needing to be educated. The people watching the LSM are the ones needing the information. They don't watch Fox.

Yes, which is why I am recommending another network, based around entertainment, unlike FOX news. They will watch "The Counter-View", with appropriate celebrities, comedy, and regular News anchors that raise their eyebrows at different things than Peter Jennings did, etc..

161 Eowyn2  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:55:51am

re: #60 godfrey

So with all this emphasis on his shady connections, does this mean Obama is now considered "qualified" as a candidate?

What happened to "not ready to lead." Has that point been conceded?

Are people forgetting that Obama has no serious executive, legislative, or professional experience?

All he has is advisors, which means that everyone really needs to look at who this nonentity is surrounding himself with.

So make the connection between his shady connections and his inexperience.

This is not a guy you can trust.

of course you can trust him. He doesnt need any kind of real world job experience. he's the one.

162 angrywhitedad  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:56:21am

Thanks for the insight I had no idea that Maine split up it electoral votes.

163 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:56:32am
164 Spenser (with an S)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:56:41am

re: #149 arethusa

re: #143 Spenser (with an S)

According to his campaign, they are both coming back to MI later this month for 2+ days. I'm planning on going.

So he IS coming back to Michigan? Good news. Are there ads back on there?

Yes, at least in W. MI where we are. They're even spending a precious day in the upper peninsula as I mentioned last week. They must have a lock on the U.P., it's just like Alaska (but with even fewer people). They're on crack or they know something. Crack is not to be ruled out :)

165 looking closely  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:56:44am

re: #107 Alouette

OT

Last night I watched the DVD of "Don't Mess with the Zohan." 90 minutes of my life that I will never get back. That movie sucked like...like...there is no Black Hole in the Universe that sucks as much as that movie did.
. . .
The portrayal of Israelis as hummus-gobbling imbecile DIBs, I have met a few of that species.


I though the portrayal of Israelis in the first ten minutes of the movie was pretty much spot on (and hilarious).

Unfortunately, you can really only fully appreciate it if you've spent a lot of time around Israelis, or some in Israel, and that leaves the remaining 90% of the movie as pure sh*t.

So if you fit into that category, it might be worth watching the first ten minutes, if you can catch it on cable TV. (Certainly not worth a movie rental, though).

166 lifeofthemind  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:56:52am

It did not end with the standard "I am John McCain and I approve this message"

167 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:56:58am

re: #153 JohnnyReb

Dead and gone no matter who gets elected. If the MSM all across the board is reporting it, it is dead.

The MSM "all across the board" was reporting about Bill Clinton and his problems. He still remained in office. People put Hillary in the Senate. Nothing stuck to either of them.

ACORN will survive.

168 calcajun  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:56:59am

re: #156 arethusa

Yes - what people tend to forget is that the polls are national. They measure the popular vote. But the Presidency is decided by the electoral vote. So I agree, there must be something that is motivating visits to states that would seem foregone conclusions. Otherwise he would just be in PA, VA, and OH always.

But, for some reason, Bush spent time in CA in 04 when there was no way in hell he would carry the state. Could also be they are trying to make BHO spend more in those Blue states

169 DeafDog  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:57:06am

re: #111 joncelli

NH is up for grabs but Maine is blue. That really is a curious choice.

Main splits their elctoral votes. It's possible to get 1 if you win one of the congressional districts even if you lose the state. So McCain is trying to steal 1 of them.

170 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:57:16am
171 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:57:17am

re: #162 angrywhitedad

Thanks for the insight I had no idea that Maine split up it electoral votes.

Most people don't until the news-readers start scratching their heads on election night trying to figure it out.

172 rawmuse  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:57:29am

We'll see how much Obama likes "that spirit of insurgency, the spirit of rebellion" after he takes office (heaven forfend) and We the People direct it at him.

173 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:57:51am
174 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:57:52am

re: #156 arethusa

Yes - what people tend to forget is that the polls are national. They measure the popular vote. But the Presidency is decided by the electoral vote. So I agree, there must be something that is motivating visits to states that would seem foregone conclusions. Otherwise he would just be in PA, VA, and OH always.

Yes- he would not give up on states he HAS to win to waste time in blue states. He's just not that stupid.

175 Desert Dog  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:58:10am

re: #157 Ford_Prefect

The left has never met a "victim" it did not want to pander too. Unless of course, you include newly fleeced tax payers. What is normal is abnormal, what is right is wrong, what is good is bad, what is bad is good...If your reality is a fantasy, everything is possible...

176 arethusa  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:58:29am

re: #162 angrywhitedad

Thanks for the insight I had no idea that Maine split up it electoral votes.

Nebraska does it, too. Obama is trying to get Omaha's electoral vote.

177 tradewind  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:58:31am

re: #172 rawmuse

With a Dhimm congress, Deval Patrick as his AG, and John F'ing Kerry as SecSt, what chance have we got?

178 Alouette  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:58:47am

re: #165 looking closely

I though the portrayal of Israelis in the first ten minutes of the movie was pretty much spot on (and hilarious).

Unfortunately, you can really only fully appreciate it if you've spent a lot of time around Israelis, or some in Israel, and that leaves the remaining 90% of the movie as pure sh*t.

So if you fit into that category, it might be worth watching the first ten minutes, if you can catch it on cable TV. (Certainly not worth a movie rental, though).

I see the Tribe snack foods, Inc. paid a lot of money for product placement.

179 Ben Hur  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:59:04am

re: #107 Alouette


The portrayal of Israelis as hummus-gobbling imbecile DIBs, I have met a few of that species.

90% of the population.

180 godfrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:59:19am

re: #163 buzzsawmonkey

Hey buzz, I watched Casablanca again a few nights ago. Great script. I heard they were making that one up as they went along, too, but how can that be if it was based on a play?

181 BigJohn  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:59:30am

re: #158 tradewind

This just made me throw up in my mouth a little......

[Link: www.palmbeachpost.com...]

Ugh.....John Kerry SOS? (Secretary Of State) How sickening.

182 rawmuse  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:59:42am

re: #177 tradewind

With a Dhimm congress, Deval Patrick as his AG, and John F'ing Kerry as SecSt, what chance have we got?

Without going sideways of the Terms of Use, that is about all I can say.

183 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 11:59:53am

re: #36 opnion

When the Ayers Association surfaced, the Obama Campaign put out a ststement, that Ayers is just a neighborhood guy that Obama knew from their children going to school together.
The Obama children are grade schoolers & Ayers kids are adults.

Maybe the Ayers kids are slow adults.

/from all those drugs their parents took

184 semper gumbi  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:00:00pm

re: #111 joncelli

NH is up for grabs but Maine is blue. That really is a curious choice.

Maine, Like Nebraska, apportions electoral college votes by district. There is one district in Maine that could potentially be red (just as Nebraska's first district (Omaha) could be blue.

185 offendi  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:00:07pm

McCain still can win this. Question is does he want to?

186 Alouette  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:00:09pm

re: #179 Ben Hur

90% of the population.

Now you know why they elect idiots like Olmert and Livni.

187 arethusa  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:00:27pm

re: #180 godfrey

Hey buzz, I watched Casablanca again a few nights ago. Great script. I heard they were making that one up as they went along, too, but how can that be if it was based on a play?

Did you know that was one of Obama's 3-4 favorite movies?

188 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:00:35pm

re: #181 BigJohn

Ugh.....John Kerry SOS? (Secretary Of State) How sickening.

I see lots of nuance in our future.

/and not a few mushroom clouds.

Let's win this for the good guys!

189 arethusa  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:01:05pm

re: #185 offendi

McCain still can win this. Question is does he want to?

Doesn't matter what he wants anymore. We should go for the candidate WE want.

190 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:01:18pm

I see that after The One stopped yakkin', markets resumed upward.

When was his speech? Hint: look at the daily graph for the DOW.

191 Florida Lady  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:01:24pm

re: #111 joncelli

NH is up for grabs but Maine is blue. That really is a curious choice.


Maine splits its electoral votes. That makes sense.

192 debutaunt  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:01:31pm

re: #100 Penguinchic

Not just men, I read today that he thinks women need to enroll in selective service, so he would draft them as well.

Singing and chanting - it's gonna be fun.

193 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:01:31pm

re: #121 buzzsawmonkey

I have heard people say that "maybe" Ayers, and Obama, have "grown past" Ayers' radicalism. There is, of course, no evidence whatever for this--it is a comforting rationalization indulged in by people who are trying to justify their Obama votes.

The fact that Ayers' kids are named after violent revolutionaries, as is Boudin's, and that Boudin opted to have Ayers, her Weather Underground compadre, raise her child over anyone chosen by her radical immediate family, shows where the ties are, and where their sympathies lie.

For that matter, even if Obama had remained willfully ignorant of Ayers' past--which I do not for one minute believe--the names of Ayers' children would have been a giveaway to anyone with a minimal college education of who Ayers was and where his sympathies were.

Chesa Boudin ..... has adopted all his parents beliefs about America ..... how could he not when he was raised by Ayers/Dohrn ....... Obama is just a friggin liar ........ no other way to say it ...... SOCIALIST ANTI-AMERICAN LIAR

*** from the Slate article I posted on Chesa Boudin:

To make clear he has embraced the ideology of all his parents, he observes: "We have a different name for the war we're fighting now—now we call it the war on terrorism, then they called it the war on communism. My parents were all dedicated to fighting U.S. imperialism around the world. I'm dedicated to the same thing." Has no one ever told this young man that communism oppressed millions? Was he too busy reading the profile of his adoptive father—himself a terrorist —on Sept. 11 to understand the significance of that day? Is his really the kind of "potential for leadership"—as described by Elliot Gerson of the Rhodes Scholarship Trust—that should be rewarded?

194 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:01:39pm

re: #187 arethusa

Did you know that was one of Obama's 3-4 favorite movies?

It had all his heros in it. Germans, French, you get it.

195 legalpad  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:01:40pm

re: #114 JohnAdams

Did you see Stone's Alexander? I got so bored with his constant hints and reminders that "Alexander was bi-sexual", it was like that was all the movie was about. 300 made a better point about the clash of cultures of the time, and the difference it made to Western Civilization.

196 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:01:44pm

re: #168 calcajun

But, for some reason, Bush spent time in CA in 04 when there was no way in hell he would carry the state. Could also be they are trying to make BHO spend more in those Blue states

Palin was just in Cali too. I think it's important to continue to work California. Like many other blue states, it's the population centers that turn the state blue, whereas the rest of the state votes red. When you look at the election map from 2000 and 2004 broken down my county, you'll see many blue states are quite red. It's a boost for those of us stuck in these "blue" states to know we're not alone- the party and our candidates still think of us. And- it makes the dems have to spend more money too.

197 Desert Dog  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:02:01pm

re: #162 angrywhitedad

Thanks for the insight I had no idea that Maine split up it electoral votes.

I wonder who would win if all states had that kind of electoral allotments? First past the post gives the Dems some juicy prizes: California and New York. Obama won the nomination because he did not lose the big states by much...he still hung close to Hildebeast by getting votes in all the proportional races. She would have won if she got all the votes from the states she won, and it would not have been close either.

It does not matter for 2008 as that system is not in play, but I am still curious to see how close the race would be if they did a proportional count.

198 SecondComing  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:02:25pm

here's a nice lil cartoon:

[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]

199 BigJohn  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:02:33pm

re: #185 offendi

McCain still can win this. Question is does he want to?

It is as close as the 2000 and 2004.

200 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:02:38pm
201 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:02:47pm

Please remember- the polls showed Carter up by 3% before the election in 1980.

Reagan won by 10%.

202 Ben Hur  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:03:13pm

Former global leaders in Iran to support Khatami

former Irish president, Mary Robinson.

former prime ministers of Italy and France, Romano Prodi and Lionel Jospin.

former Portuguese president Jorge Sampaio.

Sri Lankan ex-president Chandrika Kumaratunga.

Sudan's former prime minister Sadeq al-Mahdi and former UNESCO director general Federico Mayor.

Annan and several others among the visiting dignitaries will make a trip on Tuesday evening and Wednesday to Yazd, Khatami's birthplace in central Iran.

203 faraway  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:03:24pm

Dept of Defense: Cindy Sheehan
Dept of UFOs: Dennis Kucinich

204 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:03:59pm

OT:
Bloomberg's affordable housing program - to build 165k of new affordable housing units is being blown out of the water by the toxic paper mess - because it was to be funded by ... wait for it... Washington Mutual, Wachovia and Fannie Mae.

Ah, the paragons of virtue and liquidity.

Yeah, how affordable is that affordable housing? Trillions of dollars in lost costs because of the push for "affordable housing" that is anything but.

If you want or need headlines to tie Obama to the financial mess, that's it.

Oh, and the reason that there's a shortage of affordable housing in NYC? Zoning regulations, rent stabilization, etc., limit what can be built and the high construction costs of doing business in the City...

205 looking closely  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:04:07pm

re: #151 Ben Hur

They are unassailable.

They brush off any critisism with "They always blame the media." It's their shield.

And their sword is, "Questions still remain."


The answer to a leftist media isn't to assail the media.

The answer is a dropping of the pretense of media impartiality (since it doesn't exist), and generation of a strong RIGHTIST media.

In other words, there simply aren't enough consumer goods in the marketplace of ideas. If there were more Foxes, CNN would be weaker.

I don't know exactly how to "get there" with the bulk of legacy media owned by leftists, and the bulk of individuals entering the field themselves leftist, but I don't think this is insurmountable.

206 Cognito  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:04:26pm

Holy moly.

GM is up almost a third, today. A THIRD.

207 twincitiesgirl  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:04:34pm

re: #201 Sharmuta

Thanks Sharmuta for your consistently encouraging (and informative) posts.

208 Desert Dog  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:04:54pm

re: #203 faraway

Dept of Defense: Cindy Sheehan
Dept of UFOs: Dennis Kucinich

Dept of IRS Collections: Paulie Walnuts

209 looking closely  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:05:32pm

re: #186 Alouette

Now you know why they elect idiots like Olmert and Livni.

Olmert was never elected (he took office after Sharon was incapacitated), and IIRC neither was Livni (yet).

210 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:05:41pm

re: #194 Walter L. Newton

It had all his heros in it. Germans, French, you get it.

And he obviously learned damage control from Renault.

211 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:05:56pm

re: #207 twincitiesgirl

You're welcome. I said before, and I'll say again: I may well have to resign myself to an 0bama presidency, but I'll be damned if I do it before November 5th!

212 arethusa  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:06:00pm

re: #197 Desert Dog

I wonder who would win if all states had that kind of electoral allotments? First past the post gives the Dems some juicy prizes: California and New York. Obama won the nomination because he did not lose the big states by much...he still hung close to Hildebeast by getting votes in all the proportional races. She would have won if she got all the votes from the states she won, and it would not have been close either.

It does not matter for 2008 as that system is not in play, but I am still curious to see how close the race would be if they did a proportional count.

I think it would look a lot like Congress. The best way to do such a system (the way ME and NE do it, I assume) is to give two electoral at-large votes (equals the Senators) to whoever wins the popular vote in that state. Then each Congressional District would get its own electoral vote. So I'm assuming this year, Obama would win under such a system.

Winner-take-all usually benefits Republicans. Congress has been Democratic for much of our recent history (say, the last 100 years). And such a system would tie the legislative and executive branches too closely for my taste.

213 joncelli  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:06:12pm

Dow at 9088.29, up 637.10. Unreconstructed Rebel has a good idea; make a commercial with Obambi speaking in one pane and a graph of the Dow tanking in the other. Dow goes down as he speaks, recovers when he stops. An image everybody can understand, I think.

214 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:06:17pm

re: #199 BigJohn

It is as close as the 2000 and 2004.

It wouldn't be if all those assholes who promised to leave when Bush was elected had actually followed thru.

215 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:06:26pm

Was the Barack Obama logo inspired by the WUO logo?

Posted at TexasDarlin.

WUO logo.

Obama logo.

216 runrabbitrun  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:06:48pm

I like the ad, but I'm still disappointed by the lack of emphasis on the connection between Ayers radical policy goals, and Obama's. People know Ayers was a terrorist, and know that Obama is NOT a terrorist, so they do not conclude the danger of the alliance - just the far-less-damaging 'poor judgement'. Not enough to sink the Obamanator.

That's why I agree with other lizards who believe the Ayers moment is past and lost. Obama's Acorn connection lies, and a coherent, crisply summarized economic plan, should be at the top of McCain's message now.

217 semper gumbi  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:07:06pm

re: #201 Sharmuta

Please remember- the polls showed Carter up by 3% before the election in 1980.

Reagan won by 10%.

That really doesn't make me feel better, as Obama is in the same position as Reagan was: Of the party NOT in power during bad economic times.

218 offendi  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:07:11pm

re: #186 Alouette

Now you know why they elect idiots like Olmert and Livni.

Actually Olmert was elected based on his claims he would follow the policies of Arik Sharon. He really did not. Livni was elected by a few votes as head of Kadima over Shaul Mofaz, if she runs against Netanyahu she will lose according to all polls.
Israelis are only as stupid as Americans. Would we be posting this comments at all if the American people were intelligent enough to figure out a vote for Obama is a bad idea? Freiers in both countries it seems.

219 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:07:20pm

re: #211 Sharmuta

You're welcome. I said before, and I'll say again: I may well have to resign myself to an 0bama presidency, but I'll be damned if I do it before November 5th!

If the worst should come to pass, he had better do his damage in his first two years. America will wake up and send him a Republican Congress in 2010.

220 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:08:01pm

DOW up 671!

221 quickredfox  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:08:12pm

re: #135 Tricky Dick

OT

Segragation is alive and well in Chigaco!

Check out the photo of Obama in front of the Ohio flag. Is there some kind of contest going on among photographers for getting halo shots of The One?

222 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:08:14pm

OT:
New flaming skull time from Ace... he's reporting that ACORN will be slammed hard tomorrow with the feds filing RICO charges in OH. Considering the source, I say that's pretty good odds of that happening. Whether it will have the kind of impact that an October surprise should have... I'm not so sure. The feds will probably limit the damage to that which was wrought in OH, even though they repeat their tactics nationwide.

McCain has to make the connection and do so in a way that makes sense and clearly shows that Obama has not only deep ties with the group, but that they share a message of redistribution of wealth that goes against what most Americans stand for.

223 WrathofG-d  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:08:18pm

Yea but Obama was only 8 when it happened.

(which is exactly why I associate with the Neo-Nazis...I wasn't even alive during WW2, so I know its ok)

224 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:08:34pm

re: #220 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

DOW up 671!

My ears are popping!

225 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:09:08pm
226 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:09:12pm

re: #219 Who Watches the Watchmen?

If the worst should come to pass, he had better do his damage in his first two years. America will wake up and send him a Republican Congress in 2010.

I'm still not willing to fully believe such things will be allowed by 2010... one party rule, comrade.

227 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:09:15pm

re: #213 joncelli

Dow at 9088.29, up 637.10. Unreconstructed Rebel has a good idea; make a commercial with Obambi speaking in one pane and a graph of the Dow tanking in the other. Dow goes down as he speaks, recovers when he stops. An image everybody can understand, I think.

Include an image of a 401K statement with a charting arrow pointing down-down-down.

228 godfrey  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:09:47pm

re: #216 runrabbitrun

Connect it to his security clearance. Given these connections, would you give Obama the highest security clearance in the country?

229 Perry  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:09:49pm

re: #185 offendi

McCain still can win this. Question is does he want to?

JohnGaltLives posted a transscript McCain's speech from today on the Obama/Economy thread:

I know what fear feels like. It's a thief in the night who robs your strength.

I know what hopelessness feels like. It's an enemy who defeats your will.

I felt those things once before. I will never let them in again. I'm an American. And I choose to fight.

Don't give up hope. Be strong. Have courage. And fight.

Fight for a new direction for our country.

Fight for what's right for America.

Fight to clean up the mess of corruption, infighting and selfishness in Washington.

Fight to get our economy out of the ditch and back in the lead.

Fight for the ideals and character of a free people.

Fight for our children's future.

Fight for justice and opportunity for all.

Stand up to defend our country from its enemies.

230 Desert Dog  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:09:52pm

re: #212 arethusa

You are probably right, so let's just leave it like this then! ha ha

231 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:10:04pm

re: #217 semper gumbi

That really doesn't make me feel better, as Obama is in the same position as Reagan was: Of the party NOT in power during bad economic times.

What are you talking about? Times aren't so bad. There is gas, there is food, unemployment is low. It's not good, but it's not bad. We can and will recover.

232 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:10:44pm

re: #224 unreconstructed rebel

My ears are popping!

I should have said Hannity started his show saying that.

233 FrogMarch  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:10:46pm

Hey, Why Not Just Ban Foreclosures Forever?!

The crawl underneath a speaking Obama on Fox News right now:"Obama: Propose a 3-month moratorium on foreclosures."

Why stop there?

Apparently it would only apply to banks that are part of the $850 billion rescue/bailout package. Of course, foreclosures, unpleasant as they can be, are part of the process of taking a house away from someone who won't or can't pay for it and putting in someone who can and will. They're one of the ways that banks that loan money for mortgages can fix the problem of someone not meeting their contract, their promise, to pay what they owe. And if somebody can't pay a reset adjustable-rate-mortgage or what have you, I don't know what a three month extension is really going to do, particularly if the economy is heading into a recession. You either foreclose now, or you foreclose three months from now.

Of course, once you enact that moratorium, you'll hear people insisting it needs to be extended...

234 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:10:53pm

re: #227 unrealizedviewpoint

Include an image of a 401K statement with a charting arrow pointing down-down-down.

I would stay away from 401Ks just now. Waaaaay too much emotion around those.

235 legalpad  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:10:56pm

re: #223 WrathofG-d

Yea but Obama was only 8 when it happened.

(which is exactly why I associate with the Neo-Nazis...I wasn't even alive during WW2, so I know its ok)

Perfect! lol! I know where to find some in my neighborhood. I'll have a fund raiser there!

236 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:11:07pm

re: #219 Who Watches the Watchmen?

If the worst should come to pass, he had better do his damage in his first two years. America will wake up and send him a Republican Congress in 2010.

That's exactly what the PUMAs have been saying. And it's likely he would lose re-election as well.

237 Desert Dog  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:11:26pm

re: #234 unreconstructed rebel

I would stay away from 401Ks just now. Waaaaay too much emotion around those.

Yes, they are now 101Ks or lower

238 offendi  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:11:37pm

re: #199 BigJohn

It is as close as the 2000 and 2004.

Bush wanted to win. McCain wants to be "nice".

Wonder how a Romney/Palin ticket would have done.

239 joncelli  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:11:39pm

re: #229 Perry

MCCAIN said that? Maybe he has woken up!

240 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:11:53pm

re: #226 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I'm still not willing to fully believe such things will be allowed by 2010... one party rule, comrade.

A 2 party system is not in the people's best interests. So confusing. Better if there was only one party who will take care of them and they can worry about the latest celebu-slut and fashion trends.

/

241 Alouette  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:12:01pm

re: #209 looking closely

Olmert was never elected (he took office after Sharon was incapacitated), and IIRC neither was Livni (yet).

Olmert won elections held shortly after Sharon's stroke. Everybody was expecting Sharon to wake up any minute.

242 alien_mind  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:12:15pm

McCain can and will win this. he is just on the cusp of building some momentum. I'm predicting a strong debate performance, followed by an enthusiastic 2 week race to the finish, the time when many of the undecided types finally really started thinking about who they might pull the lever for. this is when I think all of Obama's chickens will come home to roost, as the good reverend would say.

243 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:12:20pm

re: #228 godfrey

Connect it to his security clearance. Given these connections, would you give Obama the highest security clearance in the country?

I have friends who reported how tough it was trying to brief Cinton.

244 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:12:44pm

re: #234 unreconstructed rebel

I would stay away from 401Ks just now. Waaaaay too much emotion around those.

Is that not the problem with the McCain campaign? NO EFFIN' EMOTION!

245 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:13:08pm

re: #222 lawhawk

OT:
New flaming skull time from Ace... he's reporting that ACORN will be slammed hard tomorrow with the feds filing RICO charges in OH. Considering the source, I say that's pretty good odds of that happening. Whether it will have the kind of impact that an October surprise should have... I'm not so sure. The feds will probably limit the damage to that which was wrought in OH, even though they repeat their tactics nationwide.

McCain has to make the connection and do so in a way that makes sense and clearly shows that Obama has not only deep ties with the group, but that they share a message of redistribution of wealth that goes against what most Americans stand for.

With, what? 13 state investigations and offices being raided... a connect-the-dots RICO case tying the whole sordid organization together with clear ties to Zero would be the ultimate October Surprise.

I love the smell of perp walks in the morning...

/having Fitzgerald, the Left's favorite prosecutor, doing it is just icing on the cake... or was it pie... yeah, pie...

246 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:13:13pm
247 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:13:23pm

re: #243 unreconstructed rebel

I have friends who reported how tough it was trying to brief Cinton.

De-briefing him was relatively easy. Just ask Monica.

248 Desert Dog  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:13:27pm

re: #236 Sharmuta

I keep hearing about the PUMAs. Do you think there are that many that will cross over to the "right" (and correct, too) side? Hillary and Obama are closer in world outlook and policy goals than McCain and Obama. I guess the way Obama ran against Hillary really pissed some people off?

249 Perry  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:13:47pm

re: #239 joncelli
I'm holding my breath. That's the McCain I like and agree wih occassionally. Right now I'd love to argue with him for the next 4 years.

250 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:13:49pm
251 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:13:51pm

re: #246 buzzsawmonkey

Ms. Lewinsky, however, reports that de-briefing him was not particularly difficult.

GMTA

252 yma o hyd  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:13:53pm

re: #238 offendi

Bush wanted to win. McCain wants to be "nice".

Wonder how a Romney/Palin ticket would have done.

Futile speculation - Romney would not have taken Palin as his running mate.

A Romney/ xxx ticket would have already been blown out of the water by the msm-B0 campaign, imho.

253 Ben Hur  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:13:54pm

re: #205 looking closely

The answer to a leftist media isn't to assail the media.

The answer is a dropping of the pretense of media impartiality (since it doesn't exist), and generation of a strong RIGHTIST media.

In other words, there simply aren't enough consumer goods in the marketplace of ideas. If there were more Foxes, CNN would be weaker.

I don't know exactly how to "get there" with the bulk of legacy media owned by leftists, and the bulk of individuals entering the field themselves leftist, but I don't think this is insurmountable.

What's strange is that I have a tough time considering Fox and right wing news source.

Whereas it is clear that WABC Talk Radio is on the right, the only thing FoxNews has done is actually give conservatives equal time.

The days are over when the MSM would cite some "think tank" and not tell you that it was a LLL partisan organization.

Or having a Dem make his point for most of the report, only to have, if at all, a Rep get a quick sound bite at the end.

The demonization of Fox is/was a page out of a leftist playbook.

I've referred to this before but if you read Woodward's book, The Agenda about the first Clinton campaign, Hillary makes a very revealing point during an internal economic plan debate.

Her stance was that everything has a good guy and a bad guy.

As postmodernists, they form the "narrative" - just like HIS campaign - truth doesn't matter, just who controls the narrative.

It's utter BS.

Fox is successful, therefore the Bad Guy and must be demonized.

254 fish  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:14:01pm

re: #49 Slumbering Behemoth

You're wrong, Election Day is Nov. 6th. ;)

I thought you could vote anytime you want by texting the name of your Candidate to Vote08.

255 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:14:08pm

re: #250 buzzsawmonkey

GMTA!

GET OUT OF MY MIND!

256 arethusa  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:14:12pm

re: #238 offendi


Wonder how a Romney/Palin ticket would have done.

Very badly.

257 looking closely  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:14:14pm

re: #216 runrabbitrun

I like the ad, but I'm still disappointed by the lack of emphasis on the connection between Ayers radical policy goals, and Obama's. People know Ayers was a terrorist, and know that Obama is NOT a terrorist, so they do not conclude the danger of the alliance - just the far-less-damaging 'poor judgement'. Not enough to sink the Obamanator.

That's why I agree with other lizards who believe the Ayers moment is past and lost. Obama's Acorn connection lies, and a coherent, crisply summarized economic plan, should be at the top of McCain's message now.

Didn't Obama actually represent ACORN in a lawsuit forcing a bank to issue risky mortgages?

Obama is PERSONALLY knee-deep in the sub-prime mess, and that bears pointing out. . .

McCain's problem isn't that he doesn't hit these points, its that his delivery is so goddamn awful when he does.

"Senator Obama talks about affordable housing. I must say its a lot easier to afford housing when a convicted felon helps you fund your home purchase".

258 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:14:36pm

re: #246 buzzsawmonkey

re: #247 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You guys in the same office? LOL

259 debutaunt  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:14:53pm

re: #187 arethusa

Did you know that was one of Obama's 3-4 favorite movies?

What a delightful interview. Barry has replaced his stutter/stammer with "you know?"

260 offendi  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:14:54pm

re: #241 Alouette

Olmert won elections held shortly after Sharon's stroke. Everybody was expecting Sharon to wake up any minute.

I would rather have had Arik running the country in a coma than Olmert.
He has as much millitary experience as Obama.

261 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:14:55pm

re: #248 Desert Dog

I keep hearing about the PUMAs. Do you think there are that many that will cross over to the "right" (and correct, too) side? Hillary and Obama are closer in world outlook and policy goals than McCain and Obama. I guess the way Obama ran against Hillary really pissed some people off?

Yes.

262 HDrepub  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:14:56pm

re: #228 godfrey

Connect it to his security clearance. Given these connections, would you give Obama the highest security clearance in the country?

I emailed those sentiments to the McCain campaign the other day, for all the good it will do, but at least I made my opinion known. Obama couldn't pass a background check for a military security clearance, but he wants to be Commander-in-Chief.

263 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:15:31pm

re: #245 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

With, what? 13 state investigations and offices being raided... a connect-the-dots RICO case tying the whole sordid organization together with clear ties to Zero would be the ultimate October Surprise.

I love the smell of perp walks in the morning...

/having Fitzgerald, the Left's favorite prosecutor, doing it is just icing on the cake... or was it pie... yeah, pie...

This must be used in the debate. The time is right for McCain to demand that Obama throw ACORN under the bus. If pushed, Obama might do that, and alienate his base in so doing.

264 Tamron  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:15:41pm

re: #222 lawhawk

OT:
New flaming skull time from Ace... he's reporting that ACORN will be slammed hard tomorrow with the feds filing RICO charges in OH. Considering the source, I say that's pretty good odds of that happening. Whether it will have the kind of impact that an October surprise should have... I'm not so sure. The feds will probably limit the damage to that which was wrought in OH, even though they repeat their tactics nationwide.

McCain has to make the connection and do so in a way that makes sense and clearly shows that Obama has not only deep ties with the group, but that they share a message of redistribution of wealth that goes against what most Americans stand for.


Obama video: AFTER THE ELECTION, ACORN WILL HELP SHAPE HIS ADMINISTRATION'S AGENDA.
.

265 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:15:43pm

re: #227 unrealizedviewpoint

Include an image of a 401K statement with a charting arrow pointing down-down-down.

That will hit more people.

266 semper gumbi  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:15:51pm

re: #231 Sharmuta

What are you talking about? Times aren't so bad. There is gas, there is food, unemployment is low. It's not good, but it's not bad. We can and will recover.

You, I and the rest of the political junkies know that, but the chattering classes that are just now tuning into the election are being convinced by Obama and his pals in the old media that the sky is falling - depression is here - and it's all Bush and the Republicans fault!

Don't get me wrong, I'm not declaring early defeat, I still think McCain can win this. The big difference is that Reagan WAS ready to lead in 1980 and Obama certainly isn't in 2008 - now we and the MCain campaign have to convince the chattering classes.

267 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:15:51pm

re: #245 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Fitzgerald isn't the left's favorite prosecutor for one simple reason. No Rove perp walk. There was no Fitzmas.

And to expect one now - in the form of an October surprise isn't likely either. It will not be nearly as extensive as you would hope, especially if you're hoping to take down that corrupt organization.

268 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:16:30pm

re: #248 Desert Dog

I keep hearing about the PUMAs. Do you think there are that many that will cross over to the "right" (and correct, too) side? Hillary and Obama are closer in world outlook and policy goals than McCain and Obama. I guess the way Obama ran against Hillary really pissed some people off?

Yes- there are 5- 7 million of them according to Lynn Rothschild, Hillary supporter and head of Democrats for McCain.

269 arethusa  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:16:31pm

re: #259 debutaunt

What a delightful interview. Barry has replaced his stutter/stammer with "you know?"

I'm going to point that out to the next person who tells me Palin's "ya know" drives him/her nuts!

270 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:16:35pm

Re: My deleted #118- Sorry Charles! Brain cramp...

271 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:16:42pm

re: #252 yma o hyd

Futile speculation - Romney would not have taken Palin as his running mate.

A Romney/ xxx ticket would have already been blown out of the water by the msm-B0 campaign, imho.

concur.

272 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:17:06pm

re: #248 Desert Dog

I keep hearing about the PUMAs. Do you think there are that many that will cross over to the "right" (and correct, too) side? Hillary and Obama are closer in world outlook and policy goals than McCain and Obama. I guess the way Obama ran against Hillary really pissed some people off?

Yes, they will and yes they are. Ideology aside, they want their girl to be president. The only way that can happen is if Zero gets deep-sixed and she can run in 2012.

They know this.

273 Desert Dog  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:17:37pm

re: #263 Dark_Falcon

This must be used in the debate. The time is right for McCain to demand that Obama throw ACORN under the bus. If pushed, Obama might do that, and alienate his base in so doing.

He threw is own Grandma under the bus, ACORN is going down there too and soon. And, once that is done, Obama will play all innocent and above it all....."Why, that is the ACORN I knew!"

274 looking closely  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:17:44pm

re: #222 lawhawk

OT:
New flaming skull time from Ace... he's reporting that ACORN will be slammed hard tomorrow with the feds filing RICO charges in OH.


Whether or not this hurts Obama remains to be seen (though it sure ought to), but more important the timing here is good as a bunch of RICO indictments ought to have a chilling effect on attempted voter fraud by ACORN.

275 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:17:50pm

re: #267 lawhawk

Fitzgerald isn't the left's favorite prosecutor for one simple reason. No Rove perp walk. There was no Fitzmas.

And to expect one now - in the form of an October surprise isn't likely either. It will not be nearly as extensive as you would hope, especially if you're hoping to take down that corrupt organization.

Ok, ok... he _was_ their favorite.

/tough crowd.

276 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:18:09pm

re: #269 arethusa

I'm going to point that out to the next person who tells me Palin's "ya know" drives him/her nuts!

Oh, I don't know. Four years of that could well send the LLL off the cliff.

277 Perry  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:18:22pm

re: #272 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Yes, they will and yes they are. Ideology aside, they want their girl to be president. The only way that can happen is if Zero gets deep-sixed and she can run in 2012.

They know this.


Hence the Clintons filing the RICO suit.

278 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:19:24pm

John, use this speech:

Full Steam Ahead!

My grandfather looked out from the bridge of his carrier and looked in all directions to see the mightiest armada the world has ever seen, steaming towards victory. My father stood on the border of North Vietnam and wondered where his son is. Today I say to the American people, what my father and grandfather would say if they were here: FULL STEAM AHEAD. In the face of perilous times and tremendous difficulties, America is faced with a stark and real choice: between my proven record of leadership and accountability in public office against a man with no record of ever delivering anything and no proven ability accept to make friends with people most Americans would have nothing to do with.

In the great tradition of Admiral Dewey, Damn the torpedoes! Full steam ahead.

We are the United States of America, we are even now rebounding from a financial catastrophe unprecedented in our lifetimes. But our nation is strong we need the most solid proven leadership we can get. I did everything I could to prevent Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac from tanking the banking system but Washington's ingrained political-financial power structures prevented my bills which would have saved hundreds of billions of dollars had they become law. The junior Senator from Illinois was too happy to stop the ship of state to cash their campaign contributions.

Senator Obama's whole campaign last year was about Iraq and how the surge was failing. Now proven 100% wrong, he says nothing about Iraq because he has nothing to say about and nothing to do with US success in Iraq. He did attempt to get Iraq's nascent government to delay political power sharing for HIS political campaign's benefit. If this is the kind of candidate he is, we should ask what kind of deals he would make if he were elected President. He has put his political interests before the country's; this is nothing short of shameful.

Whether we like it or not, this nation is war, a war that needs to be won. We face real enemies who must be confronted and prevented from getting nuclear weapons. Senator Obama is rightly perceived as a weakling by America's enemies. He has no foreign policy experience other than managing to safely land in Berlin and give a speech. He never held a single hearing as chair of his Senate subcommittee. In his speeches he has undivided then redivided Jerusalem within the space of two days; America's allies need to be able to rely on our President. In international affairs your word means everything and he has already shown his word is worth nothing.

In 1940, Churchill could only promise the British people blood, sweat and tears, America, I promise you that as president, I will bring this nation together and lead us together into a better future for all. I will cut taxes and cut government; I will fix our schools by breaking the shackles that prevent our kids from getting the best public education they can get. I will fix our health care system by driving down costs, lowering the cost of getting drugs to market, while opening new doors for research and new treatments. I fix the broken ethics of Washington and require that all Federal business be done openly and without even the appearance of impropriety. I will attack government contracting corruption and waste. Most importantly, if I am given the honor of serving as President, in my presidency, I will firmly set America on a path to energy independence through a massive effort centered around, nuclear, clean coal, geothermal, tidal, wind and solar. Before I leave office, you will be able to say that I took the first steps needed to set America free. I say Full Steam Ahead for Energy Independence and the millions of jobs it will create and prospects of huge exports to the energy hungry markets of the world.

These are difficult times and require the strongest possible leadership. I promise you that if America places me at the helm, I will sail the ship of state to clear air and calm waters just as my fathers before me.

279 offendi  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:19:30pm

re: #252 yma o hyd

Futile speculation - Romney would not have taken Palin as his running mate.

A Romney/ xxx ticket would have already been blown out of the water by the msm-B0 campaign, imho.

Romney is youthful and telegenic. His business experience would have blown Barack out of the water, especially now. McCain's lack of economic experience is responsible for his present condition, lurching about everywhere while Obama seemed cool and collected on the economy. Presidential. McCain looked buffoonish suspending his campaign and then rushing to endorse a bailout of Wall Street when people opposed it.

280 HoosierHoops  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:19:36pm

re: #240 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

A 2 party system is not in the people's best interests. So confusing. Better if there was only one party who will take care of them and they can worry about the latest celebu-slut and fashion trends.

/


Speaking of which..Haven't heard much about Paris Hilton Lately..
/

281 yma o hyd  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:19:45pm

re: #274 looking closely

Whether or not this hurts Obama remains to be seen (though it sure ought to), but more important the timing here is good as a bunch of RICO indictments ought to have a chilling effect on attempted voter fraud by ACORN.

It should also help when argueing with fence sitters, as this is certainly not something 'cooked up' by 'right-wing bloggers on the internet' to damage B0 ...

282 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:19:51pm

re: #277 Perry

Hence the Clintons filing the RICO suit.

HA! I was wondering how they were going to maneuver out of the box they're in.

283 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:19:56pm

re: #258 unreconstructed rebel

re: #247 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You guys in the same office? LOL

I'm now convinced Buzz is like an anti-matter universe copy of me. Identical in every way except he has a goatee and is evil (or good, depending on one's point of view)

284 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:20:26pm

Zogby has the race within 4%.

What's interesting here is two things- one, McCain is trending up, 0bama down.
Two- the undecideds are actually growing up 1.5% from a week ago.

285 looking closely  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:20:28pm

re: #260 offendi

I would rather have had Arik running the country in a coma than Olmert.
He has as much millitary experience as Obama.


Surely you mean the brain-dead Sharon is equivalent in skill to Obama.
General Sharon was actually a military genius.
Olmert, by the way, does have military experience (as does just about every Israeli adult due to compulsory service requirements there), meaning he's got more than Obama.

286 FrogMarch  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:20:37pm

McCain has some work to do.

Voters Think McCain Will Raise Taxes, and Obama Will Lower Them?
From the Washington Post poll:

a ponzi scheme is not a tax cut.

287 wright1  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:20:42pm

I like it and I disagree with the pundits who are urging McCain to hit BHO on the economy. We can run a campaign that is multi-dimensional in attacks. This issue does resonate more than the elites think. Nor does it exclude attacks on Fannie Mae, Acorn, Reszko or any other issue. Remember, the barometer for effectiveness is usually the MSM - when it gets under their skin, it is usually working. And the MSM hates this play.

Just like they are fearful of the "emotion" at McCain rallies.

In my view, the answer is to continue to bring the pain.

288 Tamron  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:21:06pm

re: #228 godfrey

Connect it to his security clearance. Given these connections, would you give Obama the highest security clearance in the country?


Honestly. Someone with Obama's background who applied through standard channels, would be refused the job of dishwasher or janitor in the White House. Too dangerous to the security of the country.

Exactly who pulled the strings to help Obama bypass those basic requirements? Soros and friends? Or was it a slow cook-the-frog process, and we're the frogs?
.

289 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:21:23pm

re: #273 Desert Dog

He threw is own Grandma under the bus, ACORN is going down there too and soon. And, once that is done, Obama will play all innocent and above it all....."Why, that is the ACORN I knew!"

Let him try. All we need to do is read out the indictment. McCain should do that in lieu of an opening statement on Wednesday. Obama is too deep in this to get away clean. Not even Billy Flynn could spin him out of looking like a thug.

290 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:21:43pm
291 Desert Dog  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:21:47pm

Bush better hope McCain wins because the safety will be off and the Dems will come with pitchforks and torches for his head. (Cheney's too).

292 tfc3rid  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:21:55pm

re: #137 Sharmuta

McCain/Palin have also spent time in the upper mid-west blue states of Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa and Michigan. I simply cannot believe that if the race in the battleground states were as tight as the polls are telling us, that McCain would waste his time in blue states- I just don't think he's that stupid.

There is something going on- McCain's numbers must be showing him he can make a move on these blue states and leave the battleground, or we would not be seeing this.

One would hope that was the case but I can't really believe that one bit... The whole campaign seems very disjointed... Palin should be campaigning in PA and OH and McCain in FL, NM and CO...

293 looking closely  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:22:13pm

re: #269 arethusa

I'm going to point that out to the next person who tells me Palin's "ya know" drives him/her nuts!

Yah. Your text to link...

294 Spellcheck  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:22:26pm

Michelle Malkin has this - not a pretty post. :-(


Sigh: McCain and his friends at…ACORN

295 joncelli  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:23:00pm

re: #284 Sharmuta

That's people who pull the lever for the D without thinking finally taking a look at the Messiah and going "Whoa! Huh?"

296 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:23:00pm

re: #288 Tamron

Honestly. Someone with Obama's background who applied through standard channels, would be refused the job of dishwasher or janitor in the White House. Too dangerous to the security of the country.

Exactly who pulled the strings to help Obama bypass those basic requirements? Soros and friends? Or was it a slow cook-the-frog process, and we're the frogs?
.

POTUS isn't required to pass a security clearance. It's just handed to him on a silver platter with the keys to the kingdom when he puts his hand on the Koran.

297 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:23:01pm

re: #288 Tamron

Honestly. Someone with Obama's background who applied through standard channels, would be refused the job of dishwasher or janitor in the White House. Too dangerous to the security of the country.

Exactly who pulled the strings to help Obama bypass those basic requirements? Soros and friends? Or was it a slow cook-the-frog process, and we're the frogs?
.

As has been pointed out earlier, sensitive subjects during the Clinton visitation was handled by Monica.

298 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:23:18pm

re: #286 FrogMarch

McCain has some work to do.

Voters Think McCain Will Raise Taxes, and Obama Will Lower Them?
From the Washington Post poll:

a ponzi scheme is not a tax cut.

Bambi's commercial spots are darn good.

299 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:23:24pm

re: #278 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Dear John McCain- please hire AG to write your speeches!

300 subsailor68  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:23:43pm

OT, but perhaps not.

Obama is speaking on the economy, and his spokes folks are out flogging the 95% of Americans will get a tax cut under his plan.

Question: If approx. 40+ percent of taxpayers pay no "federal income tax", where does their cut come from?

I'm no expert (believe me), but it seems to me that if it is a refundable "credit" against no taxes paid, it is not a "cut", but rather a redistribution of income from those who don't get the cut.

If, on the other hand, Obama is not proposing a "credit", it seems to me the only way to "cut" what those who pay no "income tax" are paying would be to cut their FICA tax (or that percentage the employee pays).

If that's the case, is Obama proposing to eliminate FICA for that 40% of non-income tax paying folks? Thus further increasing the burden of supporting Social Security and Medicare on a smaller percentage of the population?

If I'm wrong, someone here please help me out. If I'm right, isn't that a fair question for Sen. McCain to ask Sen. Obama?

301 KingKenrod  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:24:29pm

re: #284 Sharmuta

Zogby has the race within 4%.

What's interesting here is two things- one, McCain is trending up, 0bama down.
Two- the undecideds are actually growing up 1.5% from a week ago.

I think Obama's surge (no pun intended) is entirely based around fear and uncertainty over the economy. People feel Obama will take care of them if things get really bad. If the markets are quiet and there's no disastrous economic news in the weeks leading up to the election, McCain's got a fair shot.

302 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:24:51pm

re: #299 Sharmuta

Dear John McCain- please hire AG to write your speeches!

Al Gore?
/

303 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:24:54pm

re: #284 Sharmuta

Two- the undecideds are actually growing up 1.5% from a week ago.

And I'd be tempted to be a rent payment that the great majority of those were previously "in the Obama column".

304 runrabbitrun  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:25:04pm

re: #257 looking closely

Didn't Obama actually represent ACORN in a lawsuit forcing a bank to issue risky mortgages?

Obama is PERSONALLY knee-deep in the sub-prime mess, and that bears pointing out. . .

McCain's problem isn't that he doesn't hit these points, its that his delivery is so goddamn awful when he does.

"Senator Obama talks about affordable housing. I must say its a lot easier to afford housing when a convicted felon helps you fund your home purchase".


yep, so many avenues of Obama weakness, so little time.... although Rush claimed that his McCain insiders have a core belief that only the final week of the campaign will cement actual votes (okay, Rush said they swore by 72 hours, I just hope that they are not banking on that timeframe).

But one thing remains a given and a constant of news cycle management, which defines the election dynamic, that we lizard faithful must not forget: the memory span of the American electorate is only a couple of days.

305 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:25:09pm

re: #297 unreconstructed rebel

were - PIMF

306 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:25:30pm
307 Tamron  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:25:53pm

re: #273 Desert Dog

He threw is own Grandma under the bus, ACORN is going down there too and soon. And, once that is done, Obama will play all innocent and above it all....."Why, that is the ACORN I knew!"


How's about, "But -- I was only 35 years old, when ACORN was doing all of those nasty things..."
.

308 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:27:32pm

9162! Holy _____!

309 lifeofthemind  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:27:35pm

Based upon no special knowledge at all my take is that McCain believes that he has a good shot at this, the roof will come down on Obama and that McCain does not benefit by raising the anger level. On the other hand if the roof does not fall on Obama McCain probably doubts that running hard right will do him any good. So he either wins or loses and accepts it either way.

310 yma o hyd  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:27:57pm

re: #279 offendi

Romney is youthful and telegenic. His business experience would have blown Barack out of the water, especially now. McCain's lack of economic experience is responsible for his present condition, lurching about everywhere while Obama seemed cool and collected on the economy. Presidential. McCain looked buffoonish suspending his campaign and then rushing to endorse a bailout of Wall Street when people opposed it.

Sure - but this election is not just about economic experience.
He may be telegenic - but he did not exactly get me off the seat when i heard his speech at the convention in St Paul.
So I doubt if he'd deliver better debates than McCain.

And I am certain he would not have chosen Sarah Palin as his running mate. It would have been another nice enought Republican - and both would have bored the voters to tears by now.
B0 and his campaing would surely have run rings around them - and there would have been no PUMAs!

As I said - its futile to speculate, and who is to say that McCain won't give him the economics portfolio.

311 FrogMarch  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:28:30pm

Clinton Promises tax cuts in 1992. He didn't deliver. He raised taxes. That's what democrats do.

If McCain cannot explain this simple fact, it's over.

312 joncelli  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:28:31pm

re: #304 runrabbitrun

McCain insiders have a core belief that only the final week of the campaign will cement actual votes (okay, Rush said they swore by 72 hours, I just hope that they are not banking on that timeframe).

Gah! I laid it all out in 95 on this thread! Hire me, I'll work for $30/hour and design a MUCH better ad campaign than you've got now! (Okay, Maybe $25/hr. But I've got to get per diem.)

313 legalpad  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:28:48pm

re: #278 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Mail it to him!

314 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:28:58pm

& the climb has been pretty steady. None of that computer spawned shit we had to watch last week.

315 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:29:02pm

Does anyone remember Sarah Connor's dream in Terminator 2: Judgment Day when she was banging on the chain-link fence, screaming at those on the other side when the nuke's about to hit because she knows the future?

I feel that way at times.

316 AZDave  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:29:33pm

re: #4 Sharmuta

Career Ego First. Career Second. Country Second somewhere after my waffle.

LOVE IT!

Now that's more like the truth!

317 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:29:50pm

re: #294 Spellcheck

Michelle hates John McCain and has since the amnesty bill. So ACORN participated in an event with 5 other groups that McCain spoke to? Did he pay ACORN to get votes for him? Work for ACORN? Serve as their lawyer?

Sorry- I think ms. malkin wants McCain to lose.

318 KingKenrod  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:29:51pm

re: #300 subsailor68

OT, but perhaps not.

Obama is speaking on the economy, and his spokes folks are out flogging the 95% of Americans will get a tax cut under his plan.

Question: If approx. 40+ percent of taxpayers pay no "federal income tax", where does their cut come from?

I'm no expert (believe me), but it seems to me that if it is a refundable "credit" against no taxes paid, it is not a "cut", but rather a redistribution of income from those who don't get the cut.

If, on the other hand, Obama is not proposing a "credit", it seems to me the only way to "cut" what those who pay no "income tax" are paying would be to cut their FICA tax (or that percentage the employee pays).

If that's the case, is Obama proposing to eliminate FICA for that 40% of non-income tax paying folks? Thus further increasing the burden of supporting Social Security and Medicare on a smaller percentage of the population?

If I'm wrong, someone here please help me out. If I'm right, isn't that a fair question for Sen. McCain to ask Sen. Obama?

He is proposing to send a check to people who have no income tax liability but still qualify for tax credits.

[Link: www.american.com...]

Second, Obama would make some credits refundable for families with credits bigger than their tax liability, which would also have the nefarious effect of raising marginal tax rates. For example, consider a worker in the 10 percent bracket with $1,000 of tax liability before credits who claims $1,200 in credits. The tax impact of earning an extra $100 depends on whether the credit is refundable. If it’s not refundable, there’s no tax penalty on earning the extra $100 because the worker’s tax liability stays at zero. But if the credit is refundable, earning the extra money pushes the tax up from negative $200 to negative $190—that’s a 10 percent penalty on earning income.

319 midwestgak  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:30:07pm

re: #309 lifeofthemind

Based upon no special knowledge at all my take is that McCain believes that he has a good shot at this, the roof will come down on Obama and that McCain does not benefit by raising the anger level. On the other hand if the roof does not fall on Obama McCain probably doubts that running hard right will do him any good. So he either wins or loses and accepts it either way.

Yes. No. Maybe. Bowl of mush

-- Zell Miller

320 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:30:19pm

re: #315 MandyManners

Does anyone remember Sarah Connor's dream in Terminator 2: Judgment Day when she was banging on the chain-link fence, screaming at those on the other side when the nuke's about to hit because she knows the future?

I feel that way at times.

Not knowing what you look like I always pictured you as looking like Sarah Conner.

321 FrogMarch  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:30:22pm

re: #298 unrealizedviewpoint

Yep. Obama has the BS down.

322 subsailor68  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:30:30pm

re: #315 MandyManners

Yeah...or that scene in the Iliad where the Trojans open the gate and say, "Wow, a pony!"

323 AZDave  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:30:40pm

re: #6 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I disagree nigella, he should hammer both of them...BTW, Rush is playing the McCain rally tape in Manhattan now.

And don't forget Obama's advisors.

324 Perry  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:30:46pm

re: #294 Spellcheck

Michelle Malkin has this - not a pretty post. :-(


Sigh: McCain and his friends at…ACORN

Well, foot. Shamnesty and ACORN all in one neat package. Well, it was in Feb 2006, and only once that we yet know of. So this is why he's been so reticent about ACORN?

325 redstateredneck  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:31:01pm

re: #311 FrogMarch

Clinton Promises tax cuts in 1992. He didn't deliver. He raised taxes. That's what democrats do.

If McCain cannot explain this simple fact, it's over.


But Bill worked harder than he ever had in his life to try to do it.

326 offendi  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:31:36pm

re: #285 looking closely

Olmert did not serve in a combat unit or advance in millitary rank to any level near what past Israeli PMs have. He may know how to shoot a gun barely, but his experience is of Obama level. Both Barak and Netanyahu served with great distinction. Bibi's brother, z"l, fell in the famous Entebbe rescue operation.
Sharon will be remembered as one of Israel's greatest generals and millitary strategists. His trapping of the Egyptian Third Army during the Yom Kippur War was one of the most brilliantly executed millitary events in the 20th century. We should also remember that Sharon could have killed Arafat in Beirut in the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon.
Arafat was within snipersight but the political echelon withheld approval.

327 faraway  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:31:54pm

re: #317 Sharmuta

Sorry- I think ms. malkin wants McCain to lose.

I wouldn't go that far, but she can get so obsessed that she forgets the prime objective.

328 subsailor68  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:32:42pm

re: #318 KingKenrod

Thanks! (I'm still a bit confused, but that sure helps.)

I guess bottom line common sense holds - if ya don't pay nothin' but get somethin' back, it ain't a cut, it's free money we got from someone else.

Thanks again!

329 lifeofthemind  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:32:57pm

re: #319 midwestgak

Yes. No. Maybe. Bowl of mush

-- Zell Miller

It's a Zen thing.

330 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:33:13pm

re: #296 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

POTUS isn't required to pass a security clearance. It's just handed to him on a silver platter with the keys to the kingdom along with the nuclear football when he puts his hand on the Koran.

Fixed for ya'

331 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:33:16pm

re: #324 Perry

Well, foot. Shamnesty and ACORN all in one neat package. Well, it was in Feb 2006, and only once that we yet know of. So this is why he's been so reticent about ACORN?

He really shouldn't be shy about them even so. He was never involved in their thuggery and Obama without a doubt had mens rea of that.

332 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:33:17pm

re: #317 Sharmuta

I don't think that's the case. I think she has stumbled upon a reason why McCain is loath to attack Obama on the ACORN connections because he's more firmly vested in amnesty for illegals than acknowledged.

I've pointed out how ACORN works in the past, and this isn't all that surprising - they play to both sides of the aisle but clearly push a leftist agenda - open borders clearly plays into that.

333 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:33:24pm
334 poopeedoo  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:33:46pm

We haven't heard a peep lately from Biden. He must be shopping a lot at Home Depot.

335 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:33:49pm

re: #327 faraway

I wouldn't go that far, but she can get so obsessed that she forgets the prime objective.

Sorry- haven't seen anything from her that makes me think she wants McCain to win.

336 Perry  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:34:08pm

re: #317 Sharmuta

Malkin hates McCain, yep.

337 yma o hyd  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:35:10pm

re: #328 subsailor68

Thanks! (I'm still a bit confused, but that sure helps.)

I guess bottom line common sense holds - if ya don't pay nothin' but get somethin' back, it ain't a cut, it's free money we got from someone else.

Thanks again!

Yep - free money you get from those people who actually work for it, and who end up having less than you do ...
See the mess in the UK.
Thats why I say B0 = NuLab Mk II.

338 Dianna  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:35:21pm

re: #222 lawhawk

Oh, my! He linked Def Leppard! Pour Some Sugar on Me....oh, my!

339 joncelli  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:35:23pm

re: #334 poopeedoo

Too many gaffes. They probably sent him to the beach to get the old-guy-who-fishes-off-the-pier vote.

340 poopeedoo  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:35:52pm

re: #306 buzzsawmonkey

It shows that Palin is getting to him; deep down, he is thinking of the governor based in "You know," the capital city of Alaska.

Clever!

341 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:36:01pm

re: #320 unrealizedviewpoint

Not knowing what you look like I always pictured you as looking like Sarah Conner.

She has more muscles.

342 Florida Lady  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:36:04pm

Well, FINALLY our local media have picked up the Tim Mahoney story . . . he only represents part of Charlotte County, which is in their listening area.

/pppsssttt . . . I send the link to our local news-talk station - teehee

343 nikis-knight  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:36:44pm

You know, if republicans campaigned like democrats do, people would be saying this election proves that democrats still hate Vietnam Vets. Voting for Obama is like spiting on a vet all over again.
Of course, there are legitmate issues to hold against McCain. Likewise, and infinately moreso for those who actually like the country, there are issues to hold against Obama other than skin color, which any criticism is blamed on.

344 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:36:59pm

re: #322 subsailor68

Yeah...or that scene in the Iliad where the Trojans open the gate and say, "Wow, a pony!"

Just like in a horror movie: you wanna' scream "DON'T OPEN THE DOOR!"

345 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:37:08pm

re: #332 lawhawk

I think there is a huge difference between what 0bama's done with ACORN versus giving a speech at an event that ACORN was just one of many sponsors to.

346 poopeedoo  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:38:14pm

re: #317 Sharmuta

Michelle hates John McCain and has since the amnesty bill. So ACORN participated in an event with 5 other groups that McCain spoke to? Did he pay ACORN to get votes for him? Work for ACORN? Serve as their lawyer?

Sorry- I think ms. malkin wants McCain to lose.

She does seem to report more negative than positive. :-(

347 Perry  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:38:16pm

re: #333 buzzsawmonkey
Agreed. I think he's a little better communicator than W. Hopefully, a whole lot better.

348 Intrepid  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:38:28pm

re: #327 faraway

I wouldn't go that far, but she can get so obsessed that she forgets the prime objective.

But what she is actually doing is demoralizing her readers. I read some of the comments on that post at her site - many of the long-time commenters were clearly knocked off their fighting stance with what she said.

These single-issue conservative pundits need to wake up - Michelle, Charles Krauthammer, and all the rest I can't think of now - to the damage they're doing to the conservative base when they cannot let go of their own pet issue.

And as for the DC long termers - get out of that cesspool and come to the rest of the country and actually see what most of America actually cares about and thinks, FGS! Put down your martini glasses and grab a beer with us and ask US what it means to be everyday, run of the mill, God-fearing, middle class CONSERVATIVES.

349 tfc3rid  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:38:57pm

re: #345 Sharmuta

I think there is a huge difference between what 0bama's done with ACORN versus giving a speech at an event that ACORN was just one of many sponsors to.

I agree with you but here is the Million Dollar question... How will the MSM report it? You know...

350 Dianna  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:39:07pm

It gets worse! Billy Squier!

351 Scion9  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:39:11pm

re: #103 Crusty

I had an incredible web debate this weekend with a couple of moonbats who tried to argue to me that Ayers couldn't possibly be a terrorist because he was named Citizen of the Year in Chicago and works as a professor at UIC. Even after I pointed out the US Capitol, Pentagon and NYC HQ bombings they thought because he was never convicted (due to the FBI illegally obtaining evidence) that he doesn't qualify as a terrorist.

You cannot reason with unreasonable people. Libs could watch this video 100 times and still think they're watching Mr. Roger's Neighborhood.

Here you go. Send them this article from Time Magazine, dated January 1938. It's a good read. Good as in gutwrenchingly disgusting. All about a wonderful German politician who was Time's 1938 Man of the Year; Adolf Hitler.

352 Scion9  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:39:34pm

re: #351 Scion9

Here you go. Send them this article from Time Magazine, dated January 1938. It's a good read. Good as in gutwrenchingly disgusting. All about a wonderful German politician who was Time's 1938 Man of the Year; Adolf Hitler.

Silly me, forgot the link...

[Link: www.time.com...]

353 runrabbitrun  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:40:02pm

re: #294 Spellcheck

Michelle Malkin has this - not a pretty post. :-(


Sigh: McCain and his friends at…ACORN

Much as I regret McCain's pandering, if it had been an Obama revelation, his supporters and the MSM would have buried that connection at birth and moved on blind to it, while I fear the right wing will fan the flames of its existence into infamy.

Last week on FNS, the panel headlines the piddling evidence of the 'angry/haters' McCain meme created by the Obama campaign. Next week, McCain's flirtation with Acorn....? We must refuse to follow the defensive path to failure laid down by the Dems, and forge the road to success by our own offense.

354 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:40:07pm

re: #350 Dianna

It gets worse! Billy Squier!

If you're in the game, then the Strokes the word.

355 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:40:30pm

re: #334 poopeedoo

We haven't heard a peep lately from Biden. He must be shopping a lot at Home Depot.

He's having coffee down at Katie's.

356 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:40:40pm

re: #349 tfc3rid

I agree with you but here is the Million Dollar question... How will the MSM report it? You know...

Is ACORN facing RICO charges over amnesty or voter fraud?

357 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:41:08pm
358 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:41:31pm

Speak the TRUTH, Intrepid! You GO, girl!

359 faraway  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:41:50pm
360 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:42:24pm

re: #351 Scion9

It's the same kind of argument that will be made by the left over how Krugman got the nobel prize in economics. It's work he did more than a decade ago, and since then he's gone off the rails into moonbat leftist territory with no firm grasp of reality, but that's not going to stop the left from elevating Krugman to sainthood on all that he wrote...

361 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:42:44pm

re: #353 runrabbitrun

Much as I regret McCain's pandering, if it had been an Obama revelation, his supporters and the MSM would have buried that connection at birth and moved on blind to it, while I fear the right wing will fan the flames of its existence into infamy.

Last week on FNS, the panel headlines the piddling evidence of the 'angry/haters' McCain meme created by the Obama campaign. Next week, McCain's flirtation with Acorn....? We must refuse to follow the defensive path to failure laid down by the Dems, and forge the road to success by our own offense.

Tell it, brother!

362 AZDave  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:42:45pm

re: #47 twincitiesgirl

There's a shocking and disgusting* post on the Wake Up America blog about what Obama supporters call Palin with virtually no media coverage at all
*warning adult content

The media no doubt had them (shirts) printed and distributed. (By the way, this was noted on the Fox News Channel with the obvious word blurred out.)

363 poopeedoo  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:42:55pm

re: #354 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If you're in the game, then the Strokes the word.

Didn't he do a hip swinging "stomp" during the music video? (Back in the days when MTV actually played music videos.)

364 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:43:04pm

re: #343 nikis-knight

You know, if republicans campaigned like democrats do, people would be saying this election proves that democrats still hate Vietnam Vets. Voting for Obama is like spiting on a vet all over again.
Of course, there are legitmate issues to hold against McCain. Likewise, and infinately moreso for those who actually like the country, there are issues to hold against Obama other than skin color, which any criticism is blamed on.

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

365 yma o hyd  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:43:31pm

re: #359 faraway

Time Man of Year: Hitler

I've never forgiven TIME for not having the NYC Firemen and emergency workers as their men of the year 2001.

366 lifeofthemind  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:43:38pm

re: #356 Sharmuta

Is ACORN facing RICO charges over amnesty or voter fraud?

We don't have to choose Jim. Do it all at the same time.
We can do both and mortgage fraud and intimidation, we can do it all Jim.

367 DeafDog  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:44:12pm

re: #311 FrogMarch

Clinton Promises tax cuts in 1992. He didn't deliver. He raised taxes. That's what democrats do.

If McCain cannot explain this simple fact, it's over.

In the second debate, McCain also had a throw-away line that I thought was important.

Obama - when running for the Illinois senate - has previously promised middle class tax cuts. But he has never worked to have those cuts implemented.

The guy is all talk!

The only thing you can do is look at his past (which is a better predictor than rhetoric) - Ayers, Rezko and Wright! We can expect a racist, corrupt and radical president. I don't care what McCain says, we should be afraid of a President Chairman Obama.

368 Tamron  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:44:14pm

re: #248 Desert Dog

I keep hearing about the PUMAs. Do you think there are that many that will cross over to the "right" (and correct, too) side? Hillary and Obama are closer in world outlook and policy goals than McCain and Obama. I guess the way Obama ran against Hillary really pissed some people off?


Yup. For example, Multimillionaire Lynn Forester de Rothschild (one of Hillary's more influential supporters) switched to the McCain/Palin camp, saying "The Democratic Party deserted me, I didn't desert the Democratic Party."

Check these videos:

[Link: noquarterusa.net...]
[Link: themountainsage.wordpress.com...]
.

369 tfc3rid  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:44:32pm

re: #356 Sharmuta

Is ACORN facing RICO charges over amnesty or voter fraud?

WE know they are facing it over voter fraud but...the MSM will portray it all as guilty by association... Therefore, both McCain and Obama, a few mea culpa's and we are all good...

Of course what Obama did is a million times worse...

370 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:45:12pm

re: #363 poopeedoo

Didn't he do a hip swinging "stomp" during the music video? (Back in the days when MTV actually played music videos.)

Do you mean this one or this one (aka gayest video ever)?

371 Scion9  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:45:34pm

re: #365 yma o hyd

I've never forgiven TIME for not having the NYC Firemen and emergency workers as their men of the year 2001.

They did pick Rudy that year, which is sort of half right.

372 Viking6  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:45:45pm

re: #86 offendi

This of course would only be for the benefit of those unlucky souls that would be living in the United People's Republic of the States of New York and California. Mean while as to other news the United Flyover States report a bumper crop of grain, corn and cattle, while adding an additional 3.5 million barrels of oil per day to the current output. In addition the entire USFS nuclear land, sea and air forces stand ready to deter any form of aggression from the UPRNYCA armies of Urban Hipsters.

/cuts both ways, you know

373 nikis-knight  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:45:48pm

re: #106 godfrey

Bill Ayers should be rotting in jail. He's guilty. He got off on a technicality.

He said as much, at the time and since. "Guilty as sin, free as a bird."

374 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:46:04pm

re: #369 tfc3rid

Of course what Obama did is a million times worse...

Ain't moral equivalence a wonderful thing? Sigh!

375 Cognito  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:46:06pm

re: #359 faraway

Time Man of Year: Hitler

It seems you guys really don't get Time's 'Person of the Year' thing -- it's not an accolade.

If you bother to actually read the story about Hitler, you'll note that Time was in many respects ahead of the rest of the world in recognizing the horror of Hitler's rise:

M

ore significant was the fact Hitler became in 1938 the greatest threatening force that the democratic, freedom-loving world faces today.

But whatever.

376 Perry  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:46:46pm

Off to take one to music lesson.

377 yma o hyd  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:46:50pm

re: #369 tfc3rid

WE know they are facing it over voter fraud but...the MSM will portray it all as guilty by association... Therefore, both McCain and Obama, a few mea culpa's and we are all good...

Of course what Obama did is a million times worse...

McCain did not give $ 800,000 to ACORN - B0 did.
Thats a fact, thats not a smear - and its something which, if this RICO indictment goes ahead, will hang round B0's neck.

378 wright1  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:46:58pm

re: #345 Sharmuta

I think there is a huge difference between what 0bama's done with ACORN versus giving a speech at an event that ACORN was just one of many sponsors to.


This argument is specious. Obama is a pioneer of ACORN and he is tied at the hip to that organization. McCain's sins are ones of omission in that he failed to know something about the organization he was addressing. Big difference. Advocacy vs. Ignorance.

379 Intrepid  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:47:03pm

re: #358 Sharmuta

Speak the TRUTH, Intrepid! You GO, girl!

Gettin' mad, Sharm. Really mad. The PUMAs are right - we are cannibals of the worst order.

We need to BUCK-THE-HELL-UP and keep going out and volunteering for Mac/Sarah, making those phone calls, knocking on those doors, printing out flyers and giving them to any/all undecideds we know.

Three weeks, folks. In three weeks we will either elect one of America's heros - albeit a bit of a flawed one - or one of America's worst nightmares - though an awfully pretty one with a smooth tongue.

380 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:47:05pm

The new Obama "rescue plan" includes items that Obama previously called disastrous, including the foreclosure moratorium. Heh

Oh, and Obama's people are trying to spin this as 1) the world is a different place now than it was when Hillary first proffered that suggestion; 2) they're talking about specifics versus generalities; 3) these aren't the droids you're looking for.

Most people will fall for 3, but the fact is that the moratorium is a hugely bad idea regardless of the financial crisis we're in.

381 CapeCoddah  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:47:07pm

Dow: 9,138.95

382 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:47:07pm

re: #375 Cognito

But whatever.

I agree. That cover is not what I would call flattering.

383 yma o hyd  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:47:55pm

re: #371 Scion9

They did pick Rudy that year, which is sort of half right.

Yeah - half-ish ...

384 faraway  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:48:31pm

re: #375 Cognito

You really are a dufus.

385 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:48:53pm
386 Cognito  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:49:10pm

re: #384 faraway

You really are a dufus.

A dufus who brings facts.

387 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:49:50pm

re: #291 Desert Dog

Bush better hope McCain wins because the safety will be off and the Dems will come with pitchforks and torches for his head. (Cheney's too).

They already had flyers printed up during the primaries saying they would try him for war crimes ...... they did it to get more of the koskidz ..... I will try to find them ...... I had them on a separate computer ....

388 Dianna  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:49:51pm

re: #354 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

However, it finishes with Twisted Sister's We're not gonna take it, so I guess I can deal.

389 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:50:12pm

re: #378 wright1

This argument is specious. Obama is a pioneer of ACORN and he is tied at the hip to that organization. McCain's sins are ones of omission in that he failed to know something about the organization he was addressing. Big difference. Advocacy vs. Ignorance.

0bama knew exactly what he was doing when he gave ACORN $800,000- he worked with them.

Mac gave a speech.

$800,000 vs. a speech.

390 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:50:23pm

re: #385 buzzsawmonkey

You don't need a Weatherman to know Barack Obama blows.

You don't need a Weatherman to know who Barack Obama.... never mind.

391 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:50:26pm

re: #380 lawhawk

The new Obama "rescue plan" includes items that Obama previously called disastrous, including the foreclosure moratorium. Heh

Oh, and Obama's people are trying to spin this as 1) the world is a different place now than it was when Hillary first proffered that suggestion; 2) they're talking about specifics versus generalities; 3) these aren't the droids you're looking for.

Most people will fall for 3, but the fact is that the moratorium is a hugely bad idea regardless of the financial crisis we're in.

My best friend works in the mortgage industry and he gets almost apoplectic every time the left brings up the idea.

392 faraway  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:50:53pm

re: #386 Cognito

A dufus who brings facts.

But no logic.

/ but I appreciate the self-deprecating humor.

393 legalpad  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:51:01pm

re: #375 Cognito

I think the initial point they were making was that someone had said Ayers couldn't be a terrorist because he was "citizen of the year" or something, but the Time "Man of The Year" showed that this didn't have to be the case. I didn't hunt through the thread. Did someone say Time said Hitler was good?

394 hazzyday  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:51:22pm

Sen Obama is more like the financial and government captains that caused this financial mess via their self interest. Connect the dots for Sen. McCain. Start hoisting some of these bad (smarter than everyone else Enron students) boys up by their petards. And tell it to the American public often and repeatedly.

As long as these CEO's and Barney Frank aren't made examples of, it just looks like more of the same.

395 poopeedoo  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:51:43pm

re: #370 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The first video. Yep, that's the one.

396 yma o hyd  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:51:51pm

re: #379 Intrepid

Gettin' mad, Sharm. Really mad. The PUMAs are right - we are cannibals of the worst order.

We need to BUCK-THE-HELL-UP and keep going out and volunteering for Mac/Sarah, making those phone calls, knocking on those doors, printing out flyers and giving them to any/all undecideds we know.

Three weeks, folks. In three weeks we will either elect one of America's heros - albeit a bit of a flawed one - or one of America's worst nightmares - though an awfully pretty one with a smooth tongue.

You said it!
And those who cannot do this, should use their time spent on the PC by sending links to what bloggers ahve dug up about B0's slimy associates and ask their local media - or even the national media - why this is not reported.
Send many e-mails - you're just puzzled Americans who want to know ...

397 FrogMarch  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:51:56pm

re: #315 MandyManners

Does anyone remember Sarah Connor's dream in Terminator 2: Judgment Day when she was banging on the chain-link fence, screaming at those on the other side when the nuke's about to hit because she knows the future?

I feel that way at times.

the one good thing - If Obama gets in he will fuck everything up. His proposed tax schemes will be a disaster. the media will give Obama cover, but jobs will dry up and the economy will tank. (lucky us.) People will have no choice but to wake up.

398 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:52:18pm

re: #389 Sharmuta

0bama knew exactly what he was doing when he gave ACORN $800,000- he worked with them.

Mac gave a speech.

$800,000 vs. a speech.

Bring me up to speed here. Who's money did BO give to Acorn? Clearly, it was not his own.

399 faraway  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:52:27pm

The Dow: Biggest One Day gain in 21 Years.

Waiting for headlines, "Bush Saves Economy"....................

400 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:53:03pm

I do like the last line of the video and it does sum up The One, 'career first, Country second'.

401 Ben Hur  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:53:24pm

re: #399 faraway

The Dow: Biggest One Day gain in 21 Years.

Waiting for headlines, "Bush Saves Economy"....................

Keep waiting.

They'll say because of Barry's speech.

Just like Georgia.

402 subsailor68  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:53:31pm

re: #399 faraway

Sorry, but I get a sinking feeling the headline will be:

"Biggest Gain in 21 Years Despite Bush"

403 CapeCoddah  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:53:43pm

A little levity, a friend just sent this to me, If you are under 30, you may not get it!

404 poopeedoo  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:53:58pm

re: #388 Dianna

However, it finishes with Twisted Sister's We're not gonna take it, so I guess I can deal.

Nah, never cared for Twisted Sister. The main guy sounded like he was screaming. Wacky hair, too.

405 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:54:06pm
406 faraway  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:54:15pm

Biggest Gas Price Drop in History

Waiting on MSM Headline: "Bush Energy Policies Save The Day"................

407 wright1  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:54:25pm

re: #389 Sharmuta

I was agreeing - not disagreeing

408 Cognito  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:54:40pm

re: #393 legalpad

I think the initial point they were making was that someone had said Ayers couldn't be a terrorist because he was "citizen of the year" or something, but the Time "Man of The Year" showed that this didn't have to be the case. I didn't hunt through the thread. Did someone say Time said Hitler was good?

Maybe I misunderstood the tone -- "wonderful German politician" -- in which case I fired my six-guns too soon. Regardless, I've seen that argument about Time and Hitler, etc, put forth many times here.

If Time had any guts, and if they stuck by their principles and the conditions they claim for the 'PoY' feature, they would have named Osama Bin Laden in 2001. Doesn't sound too palatable, though.

409 hazzyday  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:54:43pm

re: #373 nikis-knight

He said as much, at the time and since. "Guilty as sin, free as a bird."

The same seems to apply to Sen Obama as regards to his friends he keeps and to his activities in ACORN. It's almost like he emulates Ayers minus the bombings.

410 yma o hyd  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:54:44pm

re: #389 Sharmuta

0bama knew exactly what he was doing when he gave ACORN $800,000- he worked with them.

Mac gave a speech.

$800,000 vs. a speech.

Yep, and McCain gave that speech in 2006 - B0 gave them money in 2008, for his campaign.
Bit of a difference, methinks!

411 UberInfidel67  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:54:59pm

I still can't find the Obama ad I saw last night. It was so full of bull I was gagging. It tried to make him look sooooo patriotic. He talks about the "American" values his mother taught him. What was her political bent? Haven't seen it since though ; (

412 joncelli  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:54:59pm

Dow 9276.42, up 825.23 20 minutes before close. Not bad, and it helps McCain, assuming it lasts.

413 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:55:06pm

re: #401 Ben Hur

Keep waiting.

They'll say because of Barry's speech.

Just like Georgia.

'course no one will notice how that effin opportunist made the speech after the trend was well underway. Nor will they notice it took a dip duing the speech.

414 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:55:12pm

Pooh... Ace is watering down his RICO hints.

415 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:55:13pm

re: #407 wright1

I was just driving the point home since it seems to be lost on ms. malkin.

416 razorbacker  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:55:17pm

re: #375 Cognito

It seems you guys really don't get Time's 'Person of the Year' thing -- it's not an accolade.

Don't let this go to your head, because I've already demonstrated today that I've a terrible memory for faces as well as a lifetime of experience indicating that I'm not terribly discerning regarding my companions, but I like the cut of your jib.

As well as the fact that you don't seem to be much of a me-to kind of guy.

417 poopeedoo  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:55:20pm

re: #403 CapeCoddah

A little levity, a friend just sent this to me, If you are under 30, you may not get it!
[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Ding!

418 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:55:32pm

re: #375 Cognito

But whatever.

Second paragraph:

Führer of the German people, Commander-in-Chief of the German Army, Navy & Air Force, Chancellor of the Third Reich, Herr Hitler reaped on that day at Munich the harvest of an audacious, defiant, ruthless foreign policy he had pursued for five and a half years. He had torn the Treaty of Versailles to shreds. He had rearmed Germany to the teeth— or as close to the teeth as he was able. He had stolen Austria before the eyes of a horrified and apparently impotent world.

419 Cognito  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:55:52pm

re: #416 razorbacker

Don't let this go to your head, because I've already demonstrated today that I've a terrible memory for faces as well as a lifetime of experience indicating that I'm not terribly discerning regarding my companions, but I like the cut of your jib.

As well as the fact that you don't seem to be much of a me-to kind of guy.

Me too.


;)

420 Dianna  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:55:56pm

re: #404 poopeedoo

Me, neither. Except for this one song.

We're not gonna take it anymore!

Ace played it for luck. I like it, too.

421 Scion9  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:56:04pm

re: #386 Cognito

A dufus who brings facts.

That's the worst kind of dufus.

422 AZDave  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:56:10pm

re: #93 sbvft contributor

"Web only". Why is it all the good ads never make it to the telly? I didn't send McCain any money and it appears to have been a smart decision. They don't seserve the $ if their not going to put ads like this where people will see them. McCain deserves to lose. Lousy candidate. Lousy campaign. Palin/Romey 2012.

I sent a few dollars. That may have be a bad move on my part. Not because I don't want McCain to win. I'm starting to believe that McCain doesn't want to win. He should have been bounding the crap out of Obama: no experience, associates, advisers! Come on John, we cannot have four years of socialism!

423 alien_mind  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:56:12pm

re: #317 Sharmuta

Michelle hates John McCain and has since the amnesty bill. So ACORN participated in an event with 5 other groups that McCain spoke to? Did he pay ACORN to get votes for him? Work for ACORN? Serve as their lawyer?

Sorry- I think ms. malkin wants McCain to lose.


yeah i read it that way also. Immigration was the issue there, and ACORN was only one of the sponsors. not exactly analagous to Obama being in bed with them is it?

424 poopeedoo  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:56:14pm

re: #412 joncelli

Dow 9276.42, up 825.23 20 minutes before close. Not bad, and it helps McCain, assuming it lasts.

Woo Hoo!

425 Florida Lady  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:56:59pm

re: #385 buzzsawmonkey

You don't need a Weatherman to know Barack Obama blows.

Or . . . you don't need a Weatherman to know which way Barack Obama blows.

/cleaned up for McCain campaign - but I like your version better!

426 Beach Lover  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:57:22pm

OT, but has the Dow ever climbed this much in a single day before?
+845pts right now

427 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:57:54pm

10%!

428 hazzyday  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:57:58pm

re: #397 FrogMarch

the one good thing - If Obama gets in he will fuck everything up. His proposed tax schemes will be a disaster. the media will give Obama cover, but jobs will dry up and the economy will tank. (lucky us.) People will have no choice but to wake up.

When Rev Wright visits the Whitehouse if Obama is elected the he'll want to paint over the oppressive history that the Whitehouse represents. Ayers will want to knock down the wings of the house as a symbol Amercia has met her match. Obama would be busy wearing his game face as he shells out billions to his friends as his political capital.

429 OldLineTexan  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:58:01pm
430 AZDave  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:58:03pm

re: #411 UberInfidel67

I still can't find the Obama ad I saw last night. It was so full of bull I was gagging. It tried to make him look sooooo patriotic. He talks about the "American" values his mother taught him. What was her political bent? Haven't seen it since though ; (

I believe she was a commie.

431 Cognito  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:58:20pm

re: #426 Beach Lover

OT, but has the Dow ever climbed this much in a single day before?
+845pts right now

shhhhh.

432 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:58:22pm

re: #363 poopeedoo

Didn't he do a hip swinging "stomp" during the music video? (Back in the days when MTV actually played music videos, and actual music. )


Fixed.

433 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:58:27pm

900.02 (+10.65%)
w00t

434 midwestgak  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:58:33pm

re: #343 nikis-knight


Of course, there are legitmate issues to hold against McCain.

When McCain is in office, we will bemoan him. But at least he won't be as bad as Obama

435 faraway  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:58:36pm

Headline: Bush Proves He's Strong in Final Days of Presidency
Byline: Record Dow Jump, Record Gas Price Drop Result of Policy Surge

/dreaming

436 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:58:54pm

re: #423 alien_mind

yeah i read it that way also. Immigration was the issue there, and ACORN was only one of the sponsors. not exactly analagous to Obama being in bed with them is it?

Good for her for digging it up so we can deal with it before 0bama does, but for Pete's sake- she's not always the most level headed. She needs to suck it up until McCain defeats 0bama, and then we can deal with internal issues.

437 Charles  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:59:17pm

Whoa! The Dow is up nearly 1000 points.

438 BBev  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:59:19pm

Holly crap Dow up 947

439 poopeedoo  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:59:26pm

re: #432 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Fixed.

Touche!

440 BBev  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:59:29pm

950

441 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:59:30pm

933.16 (+11.04%)

442 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:59:30pm

re: #426 Beach Lover

OT, but has the Dow ever climbed this much in a single day before?
+845pts right now

Ah'm hopin' & ah'm prayin' that Soros got caught out on a very short limb.

Now, that would really make my day.

443 BBev  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 12:59:41pm

952

444 faraway  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:00:13pm

re: #437 Charles

Whoa! The Dow is up nearly 1000 points.

Thank George Bush.

445 OldLineTexan  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:00:19pm

re: #430 AZDave

I believe she was a commie.

As I have said before:

Vote Commie for (Barack's) Mommy!

The only upside, IMO, is that she and Michelle did or would have or at least should have gotten along famously.

446 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:00:24pm
447 BBev  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:00:27pm

wow 965.09 closed,

448 joncelli  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:00:35pm

945.73! Amazing!

449 OldLineTexan  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:00:44pm

re: #435 faraway

Headline: Bush Proves He's Strong in Final Days of Presidency
Byline: Record Dow Jump, Record Gas Price Drop Result of Policy Surge

/dreaming

Dreaming?

Stoned is more like it.

/

450 alien_mind  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:00:51pm

re: #355 Son of the Black Dog

He's having coffee down at Katie's.


haha.
or as Steyn referred to it "Biden's diner of the mind"

451 wright1  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:00:52pm

re: #426 Beach Lover

OT, but has the Dow ever climbed this much in a single day before?
+845pts right now

Kinda throws a monkey wrench in that Jew Conspiracy thing

452 Scion9  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:00:55pm

re: #422 AZDave

I sent a few dollars. That may have be a bad move on my part. Not because I don't want McCain to win. I'm starting to believe that McCain doesn't want to win. He should have been bounding the crap out of Obama: no experience, associates, advisers! Come on John, we cannot have four years of socialism!

If it comes, I'm not too confident it goes away at the end of Obama's term...

453 AZDave  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:00:57pm

re: #397 FrogMarch

the one good thing - If Obama gets in he will fuck everything up. His proposed tax schemes will be a disaster. the media will give Obama cover, but jobs will dry up and the economy will tank. (lucky us.) People will have no choice but to wake up.

But that's the plan. We too can be a third world country.

454 Charles  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:01:08pm

Let's just hope it isn't followed by another plunge.

455 Ben Hur  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:01:09pm

re: #444 faraway

Thank George Bush.


We get it.

456 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:01:12pm

11 fucking %!

/sorry

457 faraway  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:01:31pm

yahoo finance is swamped

458 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:01:35pm

re: #437 Charles

Whoa! The Dow is up nearly 1000 points.

The msm will give credit to 0bama's policy speech. Sheeple will buy into it.

459 runrabbitrun  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:01:58pm

re: #317 Sharmuta


Sorry- I think ms. malkin wants McCain to lose.

As I said last week, Michelle doesn't get that given the state of the electorate, only a bottom-up, grass-roots approach to driving a conservative agenda in DC is practical, or even possible, regardless of one's noble principles or intent.

Even Rush came to the conclusion that establishing conservative ideals in Washington cannot be achieved top-down in the 2008 election cycle. Winning with the candidate we have, rather than the candidate we dream of, is the only functional approach.

460 Cognito  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:02:14pm

My crummy stock only rose 9.5 percent.

/a bad day

;)

461 Beach Lover  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:02:27pm

finished up 963
/wow!

462 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:02:30pm

re: #437 Charles

Whoa! The Dow is up nearly 1000 points.

Whoa doesn't quite cover it. 962 points. All time record for point gain in single day. Over 10%, definitely up there in percentage gains..

Spectacular - the question will be whether the DJIA can hold the gains this week...

463 OldLineTexan  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:02:56pm

re: #444 faraway

Thank George Bush.

Heh, well, thank yew er ah faraday...the Amurrhican people need to perspicate and keep fightin' the good fight, which is like whippin' the other guy's ass except not so much whippin' as winnin'. And winnin' is more important than...I mean how ya play the game...goodnight!

464 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:03:16pm

re: #439 poopeedoo

Touche!

Nah, I smell fine, besides, I'm a guy...Oh, you said Touche...Never mind.

465 arethusa  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:03:18pm

re: #317 Sharmuta

Michelle hates John McCain and has since the amnesty bill. So ACORN participated in an event with 5 other groups that McCain spoke to? Did he pay ACORN to get votes for him? Work for ACORN? Serve as their lawyer?

Sorry- I think ms. malkin wants McCain to lose.

Plus, in the sidebar right next to that post she has a post praising McCain's ACORN ad. She is a fair-weather friend, make no mistake about it.

466 DeafDog  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:03:19pm

re: #406 faraway

Biggest Gas Price Drop in History

Waiting on MSM Headline: "Bush Energy Policies Save The Day"................

I saw a unicorn once.

467 Cognito  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:03:30pm

re: #462 lawhawk

Whoa doesn't quite cover it. 962 points. All time record for point gain in single day. Over 10%, definitely up there in percentage gains..

Spectacular - the question will be whether the DJIA can hold the gains this week...

I'm sure it'll drop steeply, climb steeply, drop moderately, climb moderately, and so on until things level out.

The trick is picking the highs and lows. Or having the nerve to ride it out.

468 Beach Lover  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:03:31pm

just said biggest point gain ever and 5th percentage in history

469 subsailor68  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:03:33pm

re: #454 Charles

From your lips to God's ear. I keep hoping there isn't a huge profit-taking evolution tomorrow (or Friday).

470 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:03:48pm

re: #454 Charles

Let's just hope it isn't followed by another plunge.

Let's just hope Blarmey Frank Nancy Peloski and others keep their mouths shut.

471 OldLineTexan  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:04:00pm

re: #454 Charles

Let's just hope it isn't followed by another plunge.

/Blood, Sweat, and Tears
//Obama will all give us a painted pony to ride as the spinning wheel turns

472 Cognito  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:04:20pm

re: #470 ibmkeyboard

Let's just hope Blarmey Frank Nancy Peloski and others keep their mouths shut.

Impossible.

473 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:04:31pm

re: #454 Charles

Let's just hope it isn't followed by another plunge.

We will prolly see a bit of selling into the rally. Folks are upset about their 401K statements. But, I am very encouraged about the lack of evidence of computer driven trading. This looks like thoughtful people coming back in.

474 wolfie  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:04:39pm

re: #397 FrogMarch

the one good thing - If Obama gets in he will fuck everything up. His proposed tax schemes will be a disaster. the media will give Obama cover, but jobs will dry up and the economy will tank. (lucky us.) People will have no choice but to wake up.

It will all be blamed on George Bush.
Seriously. It will.

475 Ben Hur  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:04:50pm

Soldiers thwart terror attack

Soldiers at Hawara checkpoint in Nablus shoot, wound Palestinian after finding three explosive device on his person

Just FYI:

The MSM (BBC, CNN) do not see this as a terror attack, while Israelis do.

They will refer to this period as a "period of relative calm, with no terror attacks since....."

Because without the bang, blood and glory, there is no attack.

476 midwestgak  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:05:15pm

The credit markets open tomorrow. Does any one know what that will do to the DOW?

477 FrogMarch  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:05:18pm

Somebody told me that Tuesday (tomorrow) is going to be the really big stock day.

We shall see.

478 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:05:20pm

re: #472 Cognito

You forget Harry Reid, who nearly sent insurance stocks into a persistent vegetative state.

479 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:05:31pm

Instead of DOW,

Lets rename it UPP

480 arethusa  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:05:41pm

re: #334 poopeedoo

We haven't heard a peep lately from Biden. He must be shopping a lot at Home Depot.



He spoke yesterday, jumping on the "McCain is evil" bandwagon.

481 lifeofthemind  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:05:54pm

Waiting for headline "Market reponds to Obama's call for growth and reform." MSM will start pushing the story in 1...2...3......?

482 Ben Hur  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:06:07pm

In recent months, a number of attacks have been foiled at this same checkpoint. A dozen pipe bombs were discovered in two incidents this month. Earlier, Palestinian with six pipe bombs was caught in June, while in May a Palestinian was killed carrying four pipe bombs.

Relative calm.

Because these checkpoints actually cause terror.

483 Intrepid  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:06:10pm

re: #446 buzzsawmonkey

D'ow!

--Homer Simpson

He's registered to vote in Ohio, Nevada, Colorado, Florida and Pennsylvania. Several times in each state.

He's excited about all the free donuts Obama's gonna give him.

484 wright1  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:06:27pm

Obama - "As I predicted, the economy is on the rebound because hard working Americans understand that I am going to give them rich folks money - that is the beauty of my tax plan. And as you see I was always a phone call away."

485 subsailor68  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:06:32pm

re: #478 lawhawk

Amen! It would almost (no, not really) have been better if he'd named a specific company. The idiot sent the whole sector into a tailspin with that incredibly stupid comment.

486 BBev  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:06:43pm

re: #470 ibmkeyboard

Let's just hope Blarmey Frank Nancy Peloski and others keep their mouths shut.

You know they can't have this happen again so I'm sure they will make some kind of crises tomorrow morning

487 Dianna  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:06:44pm

OT, but maybe not:
The 80's had their moments!

No video, so you can keep LGF'ing

488 DeafDog  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:07:12pm

re: #433 Who Watches the Watchmen?

re: #426 Beach Lover

re: #437 Charles

re: #438 BBev


re: #440 BBev


When the market was headed down, I hated those instant updates here. But, today, it is very pleasant.

489 Intrepid  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:07:13pm

re: #458 Sharmuta

The msm will give credit to 0bama's policy speech. Sheeple will buy into it.

Could be spun as a gain in the DOW as McCain's poll numbers creep upwards too, though.

490 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:07:27pm

I like that Billy Squire song.

491 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:08:26pm
492 poopeedoo  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:08:48pm

re: #464 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Nah, I smell fine, besides, I'm a guy...Oh, you said Touche...Never mind.


Eeew!

493 winston06  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:09:03pm

good ad

494 Dianna  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:09:08pm

re: #490 Sharmuta

Really? Wow!

I thought hating Billy Squier was one of those things...I find it torture.

495 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:09:32pm

re: #482 Ben Hur

You forget the bulldozer attacks (three of 'em IIRC). And the scattered mortar/kassam attacks and the failed attacks at other checkpoints....

496 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:09:35pm

re: #478 lawhawk

You forget Harry Reid, who nearly sent insurance stocks into a persistent vegetative state.

/that bastard caused a friend of mine to have a heart attack.

He wants to sue Havey the Weed.

497 poopeedoo  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:09:37pm

re: #490 Sharmuta

I like that Billy Squire song.

I also like "My Kind of Luvah."

498 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:09:56pm

re: #458 Sharmuta

The msm will give credit to 0bama's policy speech. Sheeple will buy into it.

But we aren't fooled. We need to remind everyone we know that it is GOP that can get us out of this mess. The left will just leave us floundering.

499 faraway  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:10:04pm

re: #489 Intrepid

Could be spun as a gain in the DOW as McCain's poll numbers creep upwards too, though.

ObamaNomics:

As Obama poll numbers go up, the Dow goes down.

As Obama poll numbers go down, the Dow goes up.

500 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:10:05pm

re: #481 lifeofthemind

Waiting for headline "Market reponds to Obama's call for growth and reform." MSM will start pushing the story in 1...2...3......?

no shit.

just waiting

501 legalpad  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:10:07pm

re: #408 Cognito

Well, people here don't trust Time (I don't either) so they may feel that the magazine is prone to pander to dictators. But they are not stupid.

502 arethusa  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:10:25pm

re: #386 Cognito

A dufus who brings facts.

Absolutely right. "Man of the Year" tends to refer to "influential," not "good."

503 poopeedoo  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:11:25pm

re: #487 Dianna

OT, but maybe not:
The 80's had their moments!

No video, so you can keep LGF'ing

Great song. Wasn't he with a group called The Babies or somethin'?

504 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:11:28pm

re: #494 Dianna

Well- I guess it was my turn to musically surprise you. I never would have guessed you liked Nirvana, so now we're even.

505 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:11:40pm

re: #499 faraway

ObamaNomics:

As Obama poll numbers go up, the Dow goes down.

As Obama poll numbers go down, the Dow goes up.

That needs to be on the front of every paper in America.

/fat chance!
slim chance!

What?

506 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:12:20pm

re: #483 Intrepid

He's registered to vote in Ohio, Nevada, Colorado, Florida and Pennsylvania. Several times in each state.

He's excited about all the free donuts Obama's gonna give him.

You forgot about Illinois, Missouri, and Massachusetts. There's a Springfield in each of those states.

507 FrogMarch  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:12:33pm

Drudge has this headline:
Obama Econ Plan: Includes Proposal He Previously Called "Disastrous.

Doesn't that make Obama erratic?

508 OldLineTexan  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:12:50pm

re: #504 Sharmuta

Well- I guess it was my turn to musically surprise you. I never would have guessed you liked Nirvana, so now we're even.

We need Smells Like Obama Spirit.

Won't even need new lyrics.

509 Dianna  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:13:07pm

Good for today: Just when you think you can let it rip...

You're pounding the pavement in your daddy's wingtips.

510 Picayune  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:13:44pm

re: #137 Sharmuta

This analysis, "It’s All Coming Down to a Few Key States" by Ari Kaufman, may help explain Mac's strategy of late.

A great read, I hope he's accurate: [Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

"Guilt by Participation" - ha! That's was my retort to the first clip on this topic last week here at LFG. Glad to see this moving in the right direction.

Meanwhile, RICO charges on Acorn/Ohio Sec.of State, now under court order, breaks tomorrow?

This is juciy! After 10 years of Acorn prosecutions nationwide for voter fraud - its a pattern. No more excuses - right in the jail on a multiple offender sentence, all of 'em from the top down.

Watch Obama try to squrim off of this hook - the "Community Organizer" who ran their Voter Project in Chi, funded them w/ Bill Ayers from the Woods Fund, and his own camapign's funding of above $800 k this year, and also filed suit for Acorn to ease voter registration fraud in Indiana!

Will the MSM even notice? Voters will. Stealing elections is as bad as it gets. Blood in the streets? Well, not if Nowhere man wins, Acorn will beccome a cabinet post w/ Ayers as Chairman.

511 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:13:45pm

re: #508 OldLineTexan

We need Smells Like Obama Spirit.

Won't even need new lyrics.

Obama Spirit smells like rancid fascism.

512 Dianna  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:14:11pm

re: #503 poopeedoo

Great song. Wasn't he with a group called The Babies or somethin'?

No idea. I love that song, and I've never heard anything of his other than that. He did a cover of "Ain't no Sunshine when She's Gone" that's so bad I feel obliged to warn people away from it.

But man, that's a great song, and one heck of a performance.

513 Dianna  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:15:52pm

re: #504 Sharmuta

Well- I guess it was my turn to musically surprise you. I never would have guessed you liked Nirvana, so now we're even.

Only the unplugged album; and half the songs I like on it aren't Nirvana.

Like this one

514 redstateredneck  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:16:56pm

re: #503 poopeedoo

Great song. Wasn't he with a group called The Babies or somethin'?


The Babys.

515 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:16:58pm
516 FrogMarch  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:17:02pm

Rush is on late here in CO.

I love what's he's saying:
'Obama wants to micromanage the private sector.'
'Obama thinks he's going to be the CEO of every company.'
'Someone needs to tell Obama to leave the private sector alone.'

517 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:17:17pm

re: #507 FrogMarch

Drudge has this headline:
Obama Econ Plan: Includes Proposal He Previously Called "Disastrous.

Doesn't that make Obama erratic?

If you elect me I will do everything for everyone in the USA,
Mexico, Russia, Georiga,

Universe.

518 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:17:35pm

re: #507 FrogMarch

Drudge has this headline:
Obama Econ Plan: Includes Proposal He Previously Called "Disastrous.

Doesn't that make Obama erratic?

No, that makes him a cynical bastard who will say anything.

519 Dianna  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:17:37pm

re: #514 redstateredneck

The Babys.

Any particular song?

520 Tamron  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:19:55pm

re: #334 poopeedoo

We haven't heard a peep lately from Biden. He must be shopping a lot at Home Depot.


He went on a camping trip, and forgot to come back.
.

521 poopeedoo  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:20:38pm

re: #514 redstateredneck

The Babys.

Ah, yes. I like to pull 80's music facts out of the cobwebbed recesses of my brain without having to Google. Thanks for the info!

522 redstateredneck  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:20:42pm

re: #519 Dianna

Any particular song?

The Babys
Singles
1976 "If You've Got the Time"
1977 "Broken Heart"
1977 "Isn't It Time"
1978 "A Piece of the Action"
1978 "I'm Falling"
1979 "Everytime I Think of You" (best IMHO)
1979 "Love Don't Prove I'm Right" (Australia)
1979 "White Lightning"
1980 "Back on My Feet Again"
1980 "Midnight Rendezvous"
1980 "Turn and Walk Away"

523 redstateredneck  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:21:48pm

re: #521 poopeedoo

Ah, yes. I like to pull 80's music facts out of the cobwebbed recesses of my brain without having to Google. Thanks for the info!

I was a mom in the early 80's. The highlight of my week was Friday Night Videos.

524 Dianna  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:22:05pm

re: #522 redstateredneck

I shall begin working my way through that list.

That was a period when I had my radio off, I believe.

525 reine.de.tout  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:22:10pm

re: #488 DeafDog

re: #426 Beach Lover

re: #437 Charles

re: #438 BBev


re: #440 BBev


When the market was headed down, I hated those instant updates here. But, today, it is very pleasant.

I sold all my stock at the end of July.
This morning, I bought some.

one is up 24.81%
the other is up 20.85%
Now, I know there's a chance it will fluctuate downward tomorrow - but I'm hoping overall and in general, this uptick keeps on going

526 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:22:56pm

re: #510 Picayune

Great article! Thanks for that- I'll be using it in the future.

527 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:23:50pm

re: #510 Picayune

North Carolina is less than 20% black, so they’re safely Republican.


And pro military.

I will bet anyone 2000 shares of AIG stock,
no wait, its up......

I bet anyone ten dollars NC will go McCain.

528 Dianna  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:25:11pm

Eep!

The Babys are just awful.

Let's try Bad English, instead.

529 wolfie  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:28:32pm

re: #510 Picayune

re: #526 Sharmuta

Yes, that is a good article.

I noticed in the comments section someone said the percentage of Hillary supporters planning to vote for McCain had risen from 21% in June to 28% now. I wonder where the commenter got that info. IF it were true,......hmmmmmmm...............

530 alien_mind  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:29:04pm

re: #436 Sharmuta

Good for her for digging it up so we can deal with it before 0bama does, but for Pete's sake- she's not always the most level headed. She needs to suck it up until McCain defeats 0bama, and then we can deal with internal issues.


exactly. i admire her a lot, but right now is not the time to squabble over the immigration stuff. the stakes are high for all of us. we've got to buck up and keep this liar out of the oval office.

531 redstateredneck  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:29:20pm

re: #528 Dianna

Eep!

The Babys are just awful.

Let's try Bad English, instead.

The grew out of that Baby stage, I guess.
;-)

532 poopeedoo  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:29:22pm

re: #528 Dianna

Eep!

The Babys are just awful.

Let's try Bad English, instead.

Oh, but the hair style ~ yikes!

533 Ojoe  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:30:24pm

re: #21 Kosh's Shadow

If Ayers the bomber had swung at the end of a rope long ago, he would not be able to becloud a educator's minds today, nor launch a manipulative politician on worrisome runs at the white house.

But I wasn't on his jury.

Feh.

534 Ojoe  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:31:27pm

becloud a an educator's minds today

PIMF

535 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:33:36pm

re: #529 wolfie

5-7 million PUMAs going for McCain- and they vote!

536 Dianna  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:33:37pm

re: #531 redstateredneck

It's just strange. I've clicked through about eight pieces, and cringed at all of them.

Then I go back to "I ain't missing You", and it's like night and day. It's as if he only had that one song in him; you can hear hints and promises of it in other pieces, but they never get there.

Great song, incredible performance. It's like therapy, only better.

537 Crusty  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:33:48pm

re: #351 Scion9

Here you go. Send them this article from Time Magazine, dated January 1938. It's a good read. Good as in gutwrenchingly disgusting. All about a wonderful German politician who was Time's 1938 Man of the Year; Adolf Hitler.

Oh, he's quite harmless, I'm sure we can contain him with diplomacy.

538 Dianna  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:36:44pm

re: #532 poopeedoo

Oh, but the hair style ~ yikes! [Link: www.youtube.com...]

I rather liked 80's hair. Remember the Romantics?

539 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:37:42pm

re: #530 alien_mind

exactly. i admire her a lot, but right now is not the time to squabble over the immigration stuff. the stakes are high for all of us. we've got to buck up and keep this liar out of the oval office.

I believe we will have to stay watchful- they tried to give us the amnesty bill, and we called in, wrote, or otherwise gave them a piece of our minds. A McCain Presidency will be no different. But first we have to make sure there is a McCain presidency to keep an eye on. First things first- let's defeat the other guy. He's going to be much worse on all the other issues michelle cares about than John McCain!

540 OldLineTexan  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:40:05pm

re: #539 Sharmuta

I believe we will have to stay watchful- they tried to give us the amnesty bill, and we called in, wrote, or otherwise gave them a piece of our minds. A McCain Presidency will be no different. But first we have to make sure there is a McCain presidency to keep an eye on. First things first- let's defeat the other guy. He's going to be much worse on all the other issues michelle cares about than John McCain!

Obama will end illegal immigration from Mexico et. al. by CHANGING it to flow the other way as Norteamericanos head to the Yucatan to pick iguanas in the spring and sell Chiclets at the airport...

541 nnorb  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 1:43:45pm

Watch that hand Barry!

Barry's Kiss

542 poopeedoo  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:04:55pm

re: #538 Dianna

I rather liked 80's hair. Remember the Romantics?

That's what I like about you... you hold me ti-eet! The 80's did have a lot of fun music.

543 offendi  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:07:33pm

re: #310 yma o hyd

Sure - but this election is not just about economic experience.
He may be telegenic - but he did not exactly get me off the seat when i heard his speech at the convention in St Paul.
So I doubt if he'd deliver better debates than McCain.

And I am certain he would not have chosen Sarah Palin as his running mate. It would have been another nice enought Republican - and both would have bored the voters to tears by now.
B0 and his campaing would surely have run rings around them - and there would have been no PUMAs!

As I said - its futile to speculate, and who is to say that McCain won't give him the economics portfolio.

Many Americans are going to vote for President based on looks and Mitt looks and sounds a lot more Presidential than McCain ( yes, I know shallow). To me McCain's real issue is lack of energy. Being honest, running for President is a younger man's game. McCain also has the baggage of many years in failed federal government. Mitt does not. Many of Hillary's supporters find Palin offensive, not their idea of a feminist candidate. At the end of the day I agree, we cannot go backwards. My concern about McCain is commitment and energy. This election is far more important than Bush-Dole. McCain has to suck it up and swing for the fences and show the honor he brought to himself as a POW.

544 offendi  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:09:28pm

re: #532 poopeedoo

Revealing perhaps, but I was a Depeche Mode fan. Understand that is considered kind of "emo" these days.

545 SagamoreGal  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:16:31pm

Why is it every time I see Ayers face I automatically think schoolchildren in this country will soon be called "Collective 0-0009" or "Fraternity 9-3452" as they are called in Ayn Rand's book "Anthem" ?(just about the scariest book about the coming take over of the education system by Communists that will make the NEA by contrast seem like an organization full of benevolent, patriotic, god-fearing citizens.)

(I've been on a Rand reading kick lately.)

546 kansas  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:40:11pm

Obama spoke on the economy today and the market had it's biggest one day gain ever. When Obama speaks, the markets listen./// That just got him a bunch of votes. Sheesh. Frustration.

547 jaxgtr  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:41:42pm

We so need to show that Ayers and Timothy McVeigh are the same type of person. Both blew up US property, both hate the US Govt and both killed people. Only real difference is that Ayer's got away with it and is not a educator not a murderer.

548 Tamron  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:47:14pm

re: #428 hazzyday

When Rev Wright visits the Whitehouse if Obama is elected the he'll want to paint over the oppressive history that the Whitehouse represents. Ayers will want to knock down the wings of the house as a symbol Amercia has met her match. Obama would be busy wearing his game face as he shells out billions to his friends as his political capital.


Have you forgotten the thousands of little ACORN tents and outhouses that will soon be on the White House lawn? CHANGE. EQUALITY. Thanks to THE ONE!
.

549 Tamron  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 2:54:30pm

re: #541 nnorb

Watch that hand Barry!

Barry's Kiss


Hell, even Hillary prefers kissing Obama, over Slick Willy!

As they said on-air: How does Michelle feel about that?
.

550 tradewind  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:08:58pm

Why is this ' web-only'? It should be prime time on the networks.
McCain has got to throw the long one and quit wussing around with this.

551 tradewind  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:09:37pm

re: #548 Tamron

I'm still freaking over Attorney General Deval Patrick, thanks.....

552 ljmw  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:31:44pm

Does anyone here have any sway with the McCain campaign?

Today I heard someone ask a question for Obama that I think could have the potential of turning the election around.

The question is:

"Would you, Barrack Obama have kicked off a campaign or sat on a board with an unrepentant abortion clinic bomber?

Whatever his answer or non answer, even if he was Socrates, I don't think he could win on that point.

Several of those swing states are very pro-life.

McCain needs to ask the question.

553 BigDog  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 3:54:31pm
This is the latest web-only video from the Republican National Committee, on Barack Obama’s connections to former Weather Underground terrorist William Ayers.

Fixed it for you.

554 Marlin925  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:41:42pm

I just love the 0bamunists' choice of red-diaper-doper babies for homies.
The 0bamination wants a job that makes him commander in chief of the military and his home-boy Ayers tried to kill NCOs, the backbone of any military, at the Ft. Dix N.J. NCO club.

555 toms38  Mon, Oct 13, 2008 8:40:10pm

The sad thing is this is an excellent ad, and most people won't see it. The McCain campaign is soft selling this stuff. They should be pounding it. The MSM is going to call anything he does "dirty politics", so might as well go for it.


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