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This election is an object lesson in why no sane person would ever run for high office in the United States, so here’s a Columbus Day open thread...
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Open | Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 6:37:57 pm PDT
This election is an object lesson in why no sane person would ever run for high office in the United States, so here’s a Columbus Day open thread...
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:39:18pm |
I can't imagine why any person with integrity would want to run for office after this election cycle, and that is truly sad for America.
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Karridine Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:39:31pm |
A good collection of anti-Obama songs, parodies and satires!
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BlueCanuck Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:39:39pm |
And someone asked me once if I would ever go into politics. My response wasn't just no, it was HELL no!
/wouldn't want to be under that microscope.
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Shug Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:40:03pm |
Half of americans are statistically below average.
and ACORN is shifting the curve to the left
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FightingBack Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:40:33pm |
The candidates have the same background. One was indoctrinated by violent, America-hating Communists. The other was tortured by the Viet Cong.
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Metal Man Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:41:08pm |
Only those that are insanely proud of their country or insanely hate it run.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:41:16pm |
re: #598 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
re: the Phillies-Dodgers. they just showed James Brolin and Barbra Streisand. YUCK!
Of course Barbra probably asked James "Where's Magic Johnson"? And James said : "This isn't football, honey".
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godfrey Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:41:52pm |
a Brit loses faith in Obama but would still vote for him. Technically, in America, this is called being a "bonehead."
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hazzyday Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:42:15pm |
QSCAN summing Obama where the author gives some insight as to weather or not Bill Ayers was the ghostwriter for an Obama memoir. From American Thinker.
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Slumbering Behemoth Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:42:42pm |
I heard this song on the radio today, and immediately thought how cool it would be to be able to sing it to the Obamatons in November.
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:44:15pm |
Ugh. Had to listen to the liberal talking points and memes spewed in an email sent by one of June's friends, a friend who is voting for Obama. I asked her to send me the message, so I can post it here to be fisked. Maybe later tonight, or tomorrow.
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Maximu§ Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:44:16pm |
Just got off the phone with my Dad, he Loves Obama...this proves that Liberalism isn't inherited.
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arethusa Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:44:43pm |
Wasn't Columbus suspected of insanity?
There ya go, a nation discovered by a lunatic and in danger of lunacy in the White House.
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USBeast Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:44:46pm |
"No sane person..."
That means it's right up my alley and I could use a second job.
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Shug Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:45:32pm |
Dodger stadium crowd looks a lot different in the playoffs.
The last game I saw there was mid season a few years ago and I felt like I was in the exercise yard at Pelican bay.
They must jack up the prices for playoff tickets.
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spidly Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:45:53pm |
Ron Paul!
Maybe Thompson was the exception that proves the rule this time around-but then it's hard to say he actually ran
funky formatting buttons. what the hell? don't really match the candy theme.
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willowone Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:46:12pm |
stolen from Puma confluence: smiles at jvsp
John McCain, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama all die and go to heaven.
God looks down from his throne and asks McCain, “Do you think you deserve to be in heaven?” McCain takes a breath and then replies, “Well, my friend, I’ve dedicated my life to fighting for the betterment of my country and what is right.” God looks down and then says, “You can sit to my left side.” So, McCain takes his seat.
Then God asks the same question to Hillary, “Do you think you deserve to be in heaven?” Hillary thinks for a second and then replies, “I think so because I have fought tirelessly for the rights of so many people for so long.” God again looks down and this time says, “You can sit to my right side.”
Finally God turns to Barack Obama and asks, “Do you think you deserve to be in heaven?” Obama smiles and replies, “I think you’re in my seat.”
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:46:57pm |
Love Nugent!
Colmes doesn't get it. Not even close.
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gmsc Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:47:22pm |
re: #3 Karridine
A good collection of anti-Obama songs, parodies and satires!
My favorite, courtesy of buzzsawmonkey on an earlier thread:
Gimme ACORN
When I was young I did despise
White folks, and so I organized
Angry ghetto communities
And trained them up to vote for me
Gimme ACORN, and I don't care
Gimme ACORN, and I don't care
Gimme ACORN, and I don't care
'Cause the vote will go my way
The national financial mess
Is 'cause ACORN the banks did press
So now I try to minimize
That it and I have quite close ties
Gimme ACORN, and I don't care
Gimme ACORN, and I don't care
Gimme ACORN, and I don't care
'Cause the vote will go my way
They sign up folks who don't exist
So that elections they can twist
But if you question my vote base
I'll say that you're obsessed by race
Gimme ACORN, and I don't care
Gimme ACORN, and I don't care
Gimme ACORN, and I don't care
'Cause the vote will go my way
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Luigi Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:47:30pm |
They're trying to sell Oliver Stone's "W" as a frat-type comedy, full of pratfalls and broad one-liners. They know if they present it honestly as a leftwing hit piece nobody will go to see it. They're spending a lot of money advertising it on Fox.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:47:46pm |
re: #2 Sharmuta
I can't imagine why any person with integrity would want to run for office after this election cycle, and that is truly sad for America.
I just made that observation while contemplating my future Presidential run.
Looks like I'm out of the running.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:48:30pm |
re: #28 Luigi
They're trying to sell Oliver Stone's "W" as a frat-type comedy, full of pratfalls and broad one-liners. They know if they present it honestly as a leftwing hit piece nobody will go to see it. They're spending a lot of money advertising it on Fox.
Good luck with that, Ollie.
*spit*
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:48:47pm |
One more: (These are) The Good Old Days
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thedude Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:48:51pm |
a t-shirt for Obama from an article in Fox News-
[Link: www.cafepress.com...]
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ggt Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:49:04pm |
I a person isn't crazy when they make a bid for election, they will be at the end of the process.
I have a hard time staying sane watching from the side-lines.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:49:25pm |
re: #29 TheMatrix31
I just made that observation while contemplating my future Presidential run.
Looks like I'm out of the running.
At least wait till you come in last in NH... everyone else does.
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:49:40pm |
re: #28 Luigi
They're trying to sell Oliver Stone's "W" as a frat-type comedy, full of pratfalls and broad one-liners. They know if they present it honestly as a leftwing hit piece nobody will go to see it. They're spending a lot of money advertising it on Fox.
I don't think anybody will go see it anyway.
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Archimedes Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:50:23pm |
I can't even discover a new thread first, let alone a new continent.
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CyanSnowHawk Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:50:31pm |
Lief* was here first!
*If he had been banished again, he might have come back, too.
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NY Grampa Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:51:02pm |
Question for all techies:
On NY Nan's computer, which is XP Media Center we keep getting an error message that there is something wrong with Media Center. I think that I have to repair XP Media Center from the disc that came with the computer. My question is, if I put in the disc and run 'repair' will it affect any of the files (picture, documents, etc.) on the computer. Is it a better idea to back up all these files to an external hard drive first.
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Cartman Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:51:11pm |
There is an imposter on the field on MNF. That can't possibly be my Cleveland Browns.
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Noam Sayin' Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:51:21pm |
The new, gas-powered toy
Makes Noam a happy boy.
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Archimedes Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:51:23pm |
re: #32 thedude
a t-shirt for Obama from an article in Fox News-
[Link: www.cafepress.com...]
Yes I Can't!
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Occasional Reader Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:51:56pm |
so here’s a Columbus Day open thread.
"Columbus" Day? A celebration of white supremacy and imperialism. We should call it Indigenous Peoples' Nakba Day.
/
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conservativeChick Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:52:01pm |
re: #28 Luigi
We should make our own movie about college drop-out Al Gore or Obama(Too long to list) or about Oliver Stone himself called Stoned.
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mama winger Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:52:15pm |
re: #42 Occasional Reader
"Columbus" Day? A celebration of white supremacy and imperialism. We should call it Indigenous Peoples' Nakba Day.
/
Nice gun.
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ggt Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:52:19pm |
We have NY Nana and NY Grandpa? When did that happen?
/I miss all the fun stuff.
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conservativeChick Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:52:46pm |
re: #35 Ward Cleaver
My Aunts, Great Aunts and Great Uncles might.
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Killer Tomato Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:52:48pm |
re: #40 Noam Sayin'
That thing goes 200mph? I'm trading in my broom.
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mama winger Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:52:52pm |
Kimber, eh?
You must be one of dem rich folks I bin hearin about
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:52:54pm |
Does anybody know of some good software for tagging photos? We've got zillions of photos, and I'd like to go through and put tags on them, so we can search for photos by tags.
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Basho Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:53:00pm |
In fairness... politics have always been in the gutter:
[Link: www.cracked.com...]
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Cognito Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:53:30pm |
I'm pondering how we could inject sanity back into our political system. How is it that our first president -- and perhaps our finest -- managed to hold the office and not only do a good job, but reject overtures for kingship?
Are we simply morally bankrupt now? Or have we built moral hazard into the system?
I think term limits for Congress would help. They get stuck into the system, drunk with power, and don't dare make any important decisions for fear their careers might falter. Term limits would preempt that.
Any other thoughts?
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:53:59pm |
re: #46 P. Aaron
Sad fact: Liberty is not on the ballot.
Maybe not, but tyranny is (in one slot). So best to choose the lessor of evils so we can get Sarah next time.
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NY Grampa Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:54:20pm |
re: #45 ggt
We have NY Nana and NY Grandpa? When did that happen?
/I miss all the fun stuff.
46 years and one week ago!
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hazzyday Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:54:26pm |
re: #38 NY Grampa
Question for all techies:
On NY Nan's computer, which is XP Media Center we keep getting an error message that there is something wrong with Media Center. I think that I have to repair XP Media Center from the disc that came with the computer. My question is, if I put in the disc and run 'repair' will it affect any of the files (picture, documents, etc.) on the computer. Is it a better idea to back up all these files to an external hard drive first.
I never back anything up and I routinely lose all my files every 3 years or so. Burn it all to a DVD or cd's, then repair away.
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saberry0530 Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:54:55pm |
re: #38 NY Grampa
Back up all you rimportant doc and pics then try and do the repair. There is a good chance that it will not work and you will end up reformatting and reinstalling Windows again. There is a very specific order that you need to do the repair procedure. Search the internet as it been a few years since I've done it .
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mama winger Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:54:56pm |
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:55:05pm |
re: #38 NY Grampa
Question for all techies:
On NY Nan's computer, which is XP Media Center we keep getting an error message that there is something wrong with Media Center. I think that I have to repair XP Media Center from the disc that came with the computer. My question is, if I put in the disc and run 'repair' will it affect any of the files (picture, documents, etc.) on the computer. Is it a better idea to back up all these files to an external hard drive first.
Yes, it would be a good idea to have a backup anyway, but no, the repair shouldn't destroy your data. You will need to run Windows Update afterward, though, because doing a repair from the disc will overwrite some newer files laid down by Windows Update.
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JacksonTn Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:55:05pm |
Please pass this to your Catholic brothers and sisters ...... and anyone else you want to ....... it has already gotten 1.5 million hits in a short time ...... we need everyone we can get this time around .........
[Link: www.catholicvote.com...]
I know it has already been posted before but it needs to get to as many people as possible. Hoping for a large Catholic vote for McCain ...... there are huge numbers of Catholic in PA and OH ...... pass it on......
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CyanSnowHawk Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:55:08pm |
re: #38 NY Grampa
Question for all techies:
On NY Nan's computer, which is XP Media Center we keep getting an error message that there is something wrong with Media Center. I think that I have to repair XP Media Center from the disc that came with the computer. My question is, if I put in the disc and run 'repair' will it affect any of the files (picture, documents, etc.) on the computer. Is it a better idea to back up all these files to an external hard drive first.
If you are getting vague error messages like that, you should back everything up before you attempt a repair. It is not difficult to make a mistake on the repair and wipe out your files.
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itellu3times Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:55:20pm |
re: #23 Shug
Dodger stadium crowd looks a lot different in the playoffs.
The last game I saw there was mid season a few years ago and I felt like I was in the exercise yard at Pelican bay.
They must jack up the prices for playoff tickets.
They do.
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UberInfidel67 Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:55:34pm |
Loved the joke willowone. Sent it on to my sister. lol lol lol
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Syrah Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:55:52pm |
re: #52 Cognito
I'm pondering how we could inject sanity back into our political system. How is it that our first president -- and perhaps our finest -- managed to hold the office and not only do a good job, but reject overtures for kingship?
Are we simply morally bankrupt now? Or have we built moral hazard into the system?
I think term limits for Congress would help. They get stuck into the system, drunk with power, and don't dare make any important decisions for fear their careers might falter. Term limits would preempt that.
Any other thoughts?
I think that the primary differences between George Washington and every other President that came after him is that George Washington did not want the job. He viewed it more as a duty to be done then an honor to be sought.
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Metal Man Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:55:56pm |
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:56:05pm |
re: #60 JacksonTn
Please pass this to your Catholic brothers and sisters ...... and anyone else you want to ....... it has already gotten 1.5 million hits in a short time ...... we need everyone we can get this time around .........
[Link: www.catholicvote.com...]
I know it has already been posted before but it needs to get to as many people as possible. Hoping for a large Catholic vote for McCain ...... there are huge numbers of Catholic in PA and OH ...... pass it on......
I think June watched that one. I need to watch it.
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Killer Tomato Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:56:09pm |
re: #52 Cognito
I didn't know there was going to be a test! (and I hate essay questions)
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Dar ul Harbarian Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:56:19pm |
Just think:
300 million Americans
Rule out people less than 35 and older people who are infirm and you have about 100 million possible presidential candidates. Of those, lets just say, 25% have some criminal record or other disqualifying history.
That leaves 75 million people.
Of those, lets say 0.01% have the intelligence, character traits, and education to be a good President.
That leaves 7,500 excellent Presidential candidates.
And look what happens election after election.
God must hate us.
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NY Nana Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:56:26pm |
re: #45 ggt
/Clearly this troll, who calls himself 'NY Grampa' does not know me, as I am NY Nana, not NY Nan!
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CynicalConservative Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:56:28pm |
re: #52 Cognito
I'm pondering how we could inject sanity back into our political system. How is it that our first president -- and perhaps our finest -- managed to hold the office and not only do a good job, but reject overtures for kingship?
Are we simply morally bankrupt now? Or have we built moral hazard into the system?
I think term limits for Congress would help. They get stuck into the system, drunk with power, and don't dare make any important decisions for fear their careers might falter. Term limits would preempt that.
Any other thoughts?
Cognito, I don't post a lot and I don't often agree with you, but I agree 100% with congressional term limits. The time of the congressional career has to end.
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P. Aaron Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:56:38pm |
re: #52 Cognito
Any other thoughts?
We'd have to start by accepting the premise that America is a Constitutional Republic, and that the government must abide by that rule 1st.
We need to revamp or replace the current education system: K-12.
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Palandine Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:56:43pm |
re: #49 mama winger
Kimber, eh?
You must be one of dem rich folks I bin hearin about
The arsenal of democracy grows.
I picked up a schweeeet older (wood stock) Ruger 10/22 with a scope and two magazines for $210 on Saturday at a gun show.
Love Missouri. Love it.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:56:48pm |
re: #44 mama winger
Nice gun.
SYMBOL OF IMPERIALIST RACIST OPPRESSION, THAT'S WHAT IT IS!
But yeah, I like it, too.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:57:28pm |
Get special interests out of Washington and the swamp will be better.
However, I'm not going to hold my breath.
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rawmuse Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:57:30pm |
re: #28 Luigi
And I saw a trailer for a new Nixon hit piece movie today "Frost/Nixon".
They never let up.
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Dar ul Harbarian Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:57:31pm |
re: #28 Luigi
They're trying to sell Oliver Stone's "W" as a frat-type comedy, full of pratfalls and broad one-liners. They know if they present it honestly as a leftwing hit piece nobody will go to see it. They're spending a lot of money advertising it on Fox.
I saw a sentence from the SF Chronicle saying the movie was balances and kind, or some such crap.
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solomonpanting Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:57:34pm |
Proposition Eight in California was placed on the ballot by stating that marriage is defined as between one man and one woman. My Official Voter Information Guide staters the following regarding this Proposition:
Eliminates Right of Same-Sex Couples to Marry.
Changes the California Constitution to eliminate the right of same-sex couples to marry in California.
I wasn't aware this right was already in the Constitution.
Thank you, Jerry Brown.
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lifeofthemind Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:57:35pm |
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Archimedes Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:57:35pm |
re: #52 Cognito
I'm pondering how we could inject sanity back into our political system. How is it that our first president -- and perhaps our finest -- managed to hold the office and not only do a good job, but reject overtures for kingship?
Are we simply morally bankrupt now? Or have we built moral hazard into the system?
We're morally and philosophically bankrupt. During the time of the founders reason and science were highly respected. Today everything is about how people feel. Bush was pushing "compassionate conservatism", and liberals are pushing empathy.
I think term limits for Congress would help. They get stuck into the system, drunk with power, and don't dare make any important decisions for fear their careers might falter. Term limits would preempt that.Any other thoughts?
It'd be a band aid at best. I'm not saying it wouldn't help, but it's not the source of the problem.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:57:38pm |
re: #70 NY Nana
/Clearly this troll, who calls himself 'NY Grampa' does not know me, as I am NY Nana, not NY Nan!
Cage Match!
I'll get my popcorn.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:57:49pm |
re: #69 Dar ul Harbarian
Most people don't want to be the subject of the kind of vitriol aimed at any president. I know I couldn't take it.
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Slumbering Behemoth Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:57:49pm |
re: #18 Killgore Trout
Killgore, buddy, get with the times. That vid is so yesterday. You gotta use the live version if you want to look cool.
//
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:58:02pm |
re: #52 Cognito
I'm pondering how we could inject sanity back into our political system. How is it that our first president -- and perhaps our finest -- managed to hold the office and not only do a good job, but reject overtures for kingship?
Are we simply morally bankrupt now? Or have we built moral hazard into the system?
I think term limits for Congress would help. They get stuck into the system, drunk with power, and don't dare make any important decisions for fear their careers might falter. Term limits would preempt that.
Any other thoughts?
Term limits are at the top of my wish list, and have been for some time. It will take a constitutional amendment. Also lengthen the terms for House members to four years, so they don't have to run every two years.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:58:03pm |
re: #49 mama winger
Kimber, eh?
You must be one of dem rich folks I bin hearin about
I am a Greedy Wall Street Banker! Bwaaaahahahaha....
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Pvt Bin Jammin Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:58:06pm |
re: #70 NY Nana
/Clearly this troll, who calls himself 'NY Grampa' does not know me, as I am NY Nana, not NY Nan!
ROTFLMAO
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mama winger Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:58:07pm |
re: #74 Palandine
The arsenal of democracy grows.
I picked up a schweeeet older (wood stock) Ruger 10/22 with a scope and two magazines for $210 on Saturday at a gun show.
Love Missouri. Love it.
I went to college in Missouri -
Cape Girardeau - SEMO
I too loved it. Lots of fine folks down that way with their heads screwed on right.
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HoosierHoops Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:58:47pm |
re: #38 NY Grampa
Question for all techies:
On NY Nan's computer, which is XP Media Center we keep getting an error message that there is something wrong with Media Center. I think that I have to repair XP Media Center from the disc that came with the computer. My question is, if I put in the disc and run 'repair' will it affect any of the files (picture, documents, etc.) on the computer. Is it a better idea to back up all these files to an external hard drive first.
Hi..
First off.. here is a secret..copy and paste the error message into google.com
Technology advances..going back to the original version is usually not as good of a solution as downloading the recommended upgrade..
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notutopia Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:59:10pm |
re: #52 Cognito
Term limits are a must to end this cronyism that has made our Congress into a big self serving fraternity. At least we could limit the liability somewhat when we have Jr's entering that vote "present" and do nothing more than posture themselves as a silly putty Presidential Candidate!
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conservativeChick Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:59:14pm |
re: #47 conservativeChick
Also every student and professor at the Evergreen State College.
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mitthrawnurdo Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:59:19pm |
re: #51 Basho
Could have dealt without the references to Palin as a retard or that the Presidental election of 2000 was stolen...
/And why isn't the 1960's election on the list, with IL shananigans on there?
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Macker Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:59:25pm |
re: #6 FightingBack
The candidates have the same background. One was indoctrinated by violent, America-hating Communists. The other was tortured by the
Viet CongNorth Vietnamese
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NY Nana Mon, Oct 13, 2008 6:59:32pm |
re: #83 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
I was already making some....wanna share?
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OldLineTexan Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:00:12pm |
re: #23 Shug
Dodger stadium crowd looks a lot different in the playoffs.
The last game I saw there was mid season a few years ago and I felt like I was in the exercise yard at Pelican bay.
They must jack up the prices for playoff tickets.
I hoped you waved hi to my brother-in-law!
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Palandine Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:00:36pm |
re: #60 JacksonTn
Please pass this to your Catholic brothers and sisters ...... and anyone else you want to ....... it has already gotten 1.5 million hits in a short time ...... we need everyone we can get this time around .........
[Link: www.catholicvote.com...]
I know it has already been posted before but it needs to get to as many people as possible. Hoping for a large Catholic vote for McCain ...... there are huge numbers of Catholic in PA and OH ...... pass it on......
A couple of weeks ago, a letter was read in our archdiocese from the acting bishop. No Catholic in good standing can vote for a pro-abortion candidate, or they are a participant in abortion.
Perfectly legal letter. Doesn't mention any party. It'll give a lot of blue-collar voters heartburn, but many will do the right thing.
BTW, they just showed Bocephus' "Family Tradition" on H & C. I LOVE that redneck...
/Palandine's ring tone is "A Country Boy Can Survive"
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:00:47pm |
re: #96 NY Nana
I was already making some....wanna share?
Sure... but don't you need to get loose, put on the the tights and the cape for the big match?
;-)
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:01:52pm |
It was Free Token who said we need to improve civics education, and I agree. People have no idea what they're doing, what they're supporting. They have no idea about American government or the Constitution.
I can't tell you the number of times I've corrected people when they mis-speak about the Constitution. Some will even argue with me until I whip out my pocked Constitution and show them they are wrong on a point. Unbelievable! Hell- just last week I made a comment about the Constitutional requirements for the Senate and a co-worker of mine had no idea there was an age limit! And she gets to vote, fercryinoutloud!
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Basho Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:02:17pm |
re: #52 Cognito
I'm pondering how we could inject sanity back into our political system. How is it that our first president -- and perhaps our finest -- managed to hold the office and not only do a good job, but reject overtures for kingship?
Are we simply morally bankrupt now? Or have we built moral hazard into the system?
I think term limits for Congress would help. They get stuck into the system, drunk with power, and don't dare make any important decisions for fear their careers might falter. Term limits would preempt that.
Any other thoughts?
Well, to answer your first question, our first president was George Washington. I think that pretty much covers it.
As for your latter comments... I'll go all Jeffersonian on you and say that liberty has to be refreshed with the blood of tyrants.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:02:22pm |
re: #99 NY Nana
LOL I am wondering just who this "Nan" is anyway?
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jorline Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:02:24pm |
re: #86 Ward Cleaver
Term limits are at the top of my wish list, and have been for some time. It will take a constitutional amendment. Also lengthen the terms for House members to four years, so they don't have to run every two years.
I have to agree with you on the term limits, Ward. Remember when they were the political hot button years ago...what happened?
//they all remembered the longer you stay in the richer you get.
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HoosierHoops Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:02:41pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:02:44pm |
re: #97 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Every 20 years. We're overdue.
Whose blood then? I've no intention of bleeding unless I need to. To borrow from General Patton, I'd rather deliver wounds unto the enemy and let them do the bleeding.
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arethusa Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:03:06pm |
re: #65 Syrah
I think that the primary differences between George Washington and every other President that came after him is that George Washington did not want the job. He viewed it more as a duty to be done then an honor to be sought.
He did, however, want the President to be addressed as "His Mightiness the President."
I started swearing at the Phillies, so am taking a time-out in Lizard-dom.
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Cartman Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:03:22pm |
re: #38 NY Grampa
I'd go with backing up the media, followed by an uninstall/reinstall. Either way, backing up data before messing with Windows is always a good thing. ;)
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ggt Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:03:33pm |
re: #52 Cognito
Stop direct elections of the Senate. They should be chosen by State Legislators. All Congress critters should be paid out of state budgets-let them remember who elected them.
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NY Nana Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:03:52pm |
re: #101 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Sure... but don't you need to get loose, put on the the tights and the cape for the big match?
;-)
I need time to invite the kids over, and darn, the grandkids are all asleep...we had better pick the right time for me to get my gear on.
And some guy is trying to get at my computer. Heeeeelp!
If I disappear from LGF....
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CyanSnowHawk Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:03:59pm |
re: #65 Syrah
I think that the primary differences between George Washington and every other President that came after him is that George Washington did not want the job. He viewed it more as a duty to be done then an honor to be sought.
Perhaps next time the primaries can consist of the parties running around and capturing any number of unwilling participants, and then weeding them out until they get the one that says, "Okay, if you insist." We can turn it into some kind of reality TV show and just maybe get more people involved in the process.
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Basho Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:04:03pm |
re: #69 Dar ul Harbarian
Just think:
300 million Americans
Rule out people less than 35 and older people who are infirm and you have about 100 million possible presidential candidates. Of those, lets just say, 25% have some criminal record or other disqualifying history.
That leaves 75 million people.
Of those, lets say 0.01% have the intelligence, character traits, and education to be a good President.
That leaves 7,500 excellent Presidential candidates.
And look what happens election after election.
God must hate us.
Well, if the Bible is to be taken literally, our government is the way it is because that's how God wants it.
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jorline Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:04:28pm |
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arethusa Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:04:37pm |
re: #69 Dar ul Harbarian
Of those, lets say 0.01% have the intelligence, character traits, and education to be a good President.
They're smart enough not to want to be President.
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Shug Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:04:39pm |
re: #80 solomonpanting
Proposition Eight in California was placed on the ballot by stating that marriage is defined as between one man and one woman. My Official Voter Information Guide staters the following regarding this Proposition:
Eliminates Right of Same-Sex Couples to Marry.
Changes the California Constitution to eliminate the right of same-sex couples to marry in California.I wasn't aware this right was already in the Constitution.
Thank you, Jerry Brown.
They control the language.
Kind of like calling it "same sex " couples like that's somehow more natural and normal than those weird " opposite sex viviparous freaks"
I hate twisting the language like that
I will really enjoy seeing a state constitution changed and giving the middle finger to the activist judges who "interpret" the constitution as a living breathing document.
Screw them
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:05:20pm |
And it's Tree of Liberty. If you're going to make a comment bordering on fringe, at least get the quote right.
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Slumbering Behemoth Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:05:24pm |
re: #91 Tilli
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:05:25pm |
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Killer Tomato Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:05:33pm |
re: #103 Sharmuta
lol
I thought I was the only civics nut who carried a copy of the Constitution everywhere.
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mama winger Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:05:36pm |
As to Cognito's question -
I say overhaul of the IRS code. Flat tax. No exemptions. That way lobbyists and all those who seek special favor from Congress will be out of business and out of politics. The only reason they are there is for monetary favors (read: tax breaks)
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Steffan Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:06:04pm |
re: #28 Luigi
They're trying to sell Oliver Stone's "W" as a frat-type comedy, full of pratfalls and broad one-liners. They know if they present it honestly as a leftwing hit piece nobody will go to see it. They're spending a lot of money advertising it on Fox.
I saw an article this weekend that said Stone claims to be non-partisan, and the proof of that he cited was that he cut a number of over-the-top scenes from his oinker.
Right. He's about as nonpartisan as Olbermann.
The leftwing Stone doesn't take political sides despite the fact that 'W.' portrays Bush as nothing much more than a dissolute drunkard who disappoints his father as you can see in this reality challenged trailer. Here is a summary of the movie by the Sun-Times' Cindy Pearlman:
In "W.," Josh Brolin portrays the 43rd president of the United States as a beer-guzzling, hazed Yale frat guy who fails at his Daddy-pulled-the-strings jobs in the Texas oil fields, manages a baseball team in Texas and then shockingly lands at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.In between, he boozes it up, puts down the bottle, marries Laura (Elizabeth Banks), wrestles with the long shadow of his father and even finds religion at age 40. All of his White House meetings end with a quick prayer session.
...The president doesn't exactly come off like a Rhodes Scholar in the film, and his personal life isn't off limits. One scene has his daddy griping about having to deal with one of his young namesake's former girlfriends.
"What are you cut out for -- chasing tail? You're not a Kennedy. You're a Bush," fumes Cromwell.
Stone insists his film isn't a satire.
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Basho Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:06:07pm |
re: #94 mitthrawnurdo
Could have dealt without the references to Palin as a retard or that the Presidental election of 2000 was stolen...
/And why isn't the 1960's election on the list, with IL shananigans on there?
Yeah, I could have dealt without those either. But the point of the article is still true.
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The Other Les Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:06:22pm |
re: #52 Cognito
I've come to the conclusion that that apart from being elected the dearest wish of a professional politician is to be reelected.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:06:41pm |
re: #125 Killer Tomato
lol
I thought I was the only civics nut who carried a copy of the Constitution everywhere.
Nope! In fact- mine is falling apart.
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OldLineTexan Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:06:42pm |
re: #120 arethusa
They're smart enough not to want to be President.
I do not think that word means what you think it means.
/in this case, anyway
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J.D. Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:06:51pm |
Many convicted felons remain on voter rolls, according to Sun Sentinel investigation
More than 30,000 Florida felons who by law should have been stripped of their right to vote remain registered to cast ballots in this presidential battleground state, a Sun Sentinel investigation has found.Many are faithful voters, with at least 4,900 turning out in past elections.
Another 5,600 are not likely to vote Nov. 4 — they're still in prison.
Of the felons who registered with a party, Democrats outnumber Republicans more than two to one.
...
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itellu3times Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:06:58pm |
re: #113 ggt
Stop direct elections of the Senate. They should be chosen by State Legislators. All Congress critters should be paid out of state budgets-let them remember who elected them.
Holy mackerel, the California legislature would send a potted plant and a whale.
Here's a better idea, hold a lottery, you can buy all the tickets you want, winner is the Senator.
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neocon hippie Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:07:00pm |
Someone in my neighborhood has left outside my dwelling and those a couple blocks around copies of the following article by Naomi Wolf:
Thousands of Troops Are Deployed on US Streets Ready to Carry Out "Crowd Control"
The pamphleteer writes at the top:
How should we respond to this, as neighbors and concerned citizens? Let's get together and discuss it. I have some ideas. Maybe you do, too.
She left her email address, phone number, and address (a block from me, a few doors down from my girlfriend).
Is it permissible to post her email address if anyone wants to -- nicely -- give her feedback?
I tossed it into the recycling bin myself.
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alien_mind Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:07:58pm |
re: #28 Luigi
They're trying to sell Oliver Stone's "W" as a frat-type comedy, full of pratfalls and broad one-liners. They know if they present it honestly as a leftwing hit piece nobody will go to see it. They're spending a lot of money advertising it on Fox.
who would want to see it? do they really think people are hungering for a movie on Bush? my prediction, my hope is it tanks big time. also I can't stand Stone.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:08:04pm |
I told all my co-workers to vote for me, because I promised I would only serve one term due to the fact I'm only interested in collecting the cushy pension plan they get in Congress. :p
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BlueCanuck Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:08:21pm |
re: #109 Dark_Falcon
Whose blood then? I've no intention of bleeding unless I need to. To borrow from General Patton, I'd rather deliver wounds unto the enemy and let them do the bleeding.
Jefferson quote: "The tree of liberty needs to be refreshed from time to time with the blood of tyrants and patriots."
/take your pick
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lawhawk Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:08:25pm |
re: #103 Sharmuta
Good for you to carry around a Constitution. Even those who do - like US Senators - are wont to disregard it or interpret it any way they wish.
Take for example Obama's latest idea - to engage in a 90 day moratorium on foreclosure actions. Where in the US Constitution is that allowed? It isn't, unless you get into a tortured reading of Art 1, Sec. 8, Cl 18, and reason that to do the moratorium is good for commerce, but banks would strenuously disagree, and so would most people. It's demagoguery at its worst.
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Charles Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:08:50pm |
re: #91 Tilli
Uh.
The full quote from Thomas Jefferson is:
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Sounds a little better that way. A little less vampirish.
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Killer Tomato Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:08:59pm |
re: #135 neocon hippie
Um... wouldn't someone have noticed?
What are they, disguised as light poles and parking meters?
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Steffan Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:09:09pm |
re: #38 NY Grampa
Question for all techies:
On NY Nan's computer, which is XP Media Center we keep getting an error message that there is something wrong with Media Center. I think that I have to repair XP Media Center from the disc that came with the computer. My question is, if I put in the disc and run 'repair' will it affect any of the files (picture, documents, etc.) on the computer. Is it a better idea to back up all these files to an external hard drive first.
I have XP Home. I've had to run repair three or four times -- it didn't touch any of the other files.
Of course, backing up your files is always a good idea....
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CyanSnowHawk Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:09:10pm |
re: #135 neocon hippie
Is it permissible to post her email address if anyone wants to -- nicely -- give her feedback?
No. Read the guidelines at the top of the thread.
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Capitalistincharge Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:09:18pm |
Ok, in a perfect world of public office, term limits on Senators and Congress to protect the American people. There would be a cap on campaign spending which would limit how long a campaign could go on and on and on and on. There would be mandatory investigation and published facts for the public and mandatory suspension of office, whenever any Senator or Congressperson was accused of impropriety in office. And each person elected to office would have to spend time in continuing education on "How the Economy Works, 101" and other critical stuff, the entire time in office. Back to sleep zzzzzzzzz
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mama winger Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:09:46pm |
re: #141 Killer Tomato
Um... wouldn't someone have noticed?
What are they, disguised as light poles and parking meters?
If there were to be troops stationed, it would be the National Guard.
So far, we haven't got the word :)
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Beach Lover Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:09:50pm |
re: #127 DesertSage
I have a Best Of Dean Martin with that song on it. Makes me happy to listen to him.
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IslandLibertarian Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:09:55pm |
When is Amerigo Vespucci Day?
After his explorations in 1501-1502, he was one of the first explorers to come up with the idea that these places he had visited were not part of Asia (as Columbus thought) but rather were part of a "New World." In 1507, a pamphlet was published called "The Four Voyages of Amerigo" and the author suggested that the new land that Amerigo had explored be named in his honor. At first, the name of America was only meant to apply to South America, but later on, both continents of America became known by his name.
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jorline Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:09:58pm |
re: #135 neocon hippie
Someone in my neighborhood has left outside my dwelling and those a couple blocks around copies of the following article by Naomi Wolf:
Thousands of Troops Are Deployed on US Streets Ready to Carry Out "Crowd Control"
The pamphleteer writes at the top:
How should we respond to this, as neighbors and concerned citizens? Let's get together and discuss it. I have some ideas. Maybe you do, too.
She left her email address, phone number, and address (a block from me, a few doors down from my girlfriend).
Is it permissible to post her email address if anyone wants to -- nicely -- give her feedback?
I tossed it into the recycling bin myself.
IMHO...she's hitting on you, hippie.
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HoosierHoops Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:10:12pm |
re: #126 mama winger
As to Cognito's question -
I say overhaul of the IRS code. Flat tax. No exemptions. That way lobbyists and all those who seek special favor from Congress will be out of business and out of politics. The only reason they are there is for monetary favors (read: tax breaks)
okey dokey mamawinger..
We have directed security to clean out your desk on K street..
So this is how you want to play?
*wink*
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lawhawk Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:10:55pm |
re: #133 J.D.
The situation is real bad in Florida, especially considering that they should have been embarrassed into taking action to completely overhaul the system after 2000. They didn't. They went with the high tech electronic voting machines that often don't work and need to rely on paper ballots.
But they ignored the basics of culling the voter rolls of those who died, are felons, or otherwise moved out of the jurisdiction, etc.
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Killer Tomato Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:11:12pm |
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reine.de.tout Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:11:21pm |
re: #52 Cognito
I'm pondering how we could inject sanity back into our political system. How is it that our first president -- and perhaps our finest -- managed to hold the office and not only do a good job, but reject overtures for kingship?
Are we simply morally bankrupt now? Or have we built moral hazard into the system?
I think term limits for Congress would help. They get stuck into the system, drunk with power, and don't dare make any important decisions for fear their careers might falter. Term limits would preempt that.
Any other thoughts?
ah, I'm not sold on term limits being a good thing, except for the Presidency, to avoid that whole "kingship" thing.
We already have a mechanism for term limits, it's called "voting".
With term limits, there is a loss of experience, institutional history and memory, that might not be the best thing.
If people vote for a corrupt offiicial, like William Jefferson, then they wpuld easily vote for a second corrupt official to replace him. Term limits will not solve that problem; it won't ensure that corrupt people aren't elected.
But it term limits just might ensure that good and experienced people would not get to continue in a job where they can do some good.
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CyanSnowHawk Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:11:31pm |
re: #140 Charles
Sounds a little better that way.
The other way sounds a bit like that 4 person video game from the late 80's, Gauntlet.
"Warrior needs food badly."
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Pepper Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:11:31pm |
Went to the Rangers/Flyers game despite the loss it turned out to be a rousing game, but I digress. Sarah Palin dropped the puck but it was better on TV. Initially the Obamatons booed, but fans drowned them out with applause. Not necessarily politically aligned but out of decorum. The puck was dropped without fanfare, nor was there any speech given. She was in and out without much ado. The whole puck drop with carpet affair really doesn't make much sense.
One political observation, an Obamaton had an Obama mask on during the game and for some reason a fan took a dislike to it and removed it from the Obamaton and returned two pieces back. The Obamaton proceeded to spill several drinks using his oversized hockey foam hand, spilling many beverages. Security removed the face vandal and left the beverage waster.
You decide which was the more heinous crime.
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The Other Les Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:11:32pm |
re: #140 Charles
I've always been in favor of tyrannocide.
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lostlakehiker Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:11:41pm |
re: #2 Sharmuta
I can't imagine why any person with integrity would want to run for office after this election cycle, and that is truly sad for America.
Two such people are running: McCain and Palin. Another few ran in the primaries: Romney and Thompson and, if you put aside his personal life, maybe Giuliani. Can't think of anybody on the Dem side this time, or last time, or the time before that.
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The Shadow Do Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:12:06pm |
Sarah Palin is sane, and then some. McCaine too.
It is Obama who has the audacity of bullshit that gives lie to the "you must be crazy" argument. He is sane, and then some. It is his idiot disciples that are nuts.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:12:08pm |
re: #135 neocon hippie
Someone in my neighborhood has left outside my dwelling and those a couple blocks around copies of the following article by Naomi Wolf:
Thousands of Troops Are Deployed on US Streets Ready to Carry Out "Crowd Control"
The pamphleteer writes at the top:
How should we respond to this, as neighbors and concerned citizens? Let's get together and discuss it. I have some ideas. Maybe you do, too.
She left her email address, phone number, and address (a block from me, a few doors down from my girlfriend).
Is it permissible to post her email address if anyone wants to -- nicely -- give her feedback?
I tossed it into the recycling bin myself.
A story like that doesn't worry me. If have to put troops in the streets it'll be to deal with Obama's minions when they lose. And if it comes to that ACORN will end short a few thousand thugs.
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Killian Bundy Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:12:11pm |
/simply an amazing speech, if he can keep this up for another three weeks, we'll win going away
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Basho Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:12:31pm |
re: #147 IslandLibertarian
In 1507, a pamphlet was published called "The Four Voyages of Amerigo" and the author suggested that the new land that Amerigo had explored be named in his honor. At first, the name of America was only meant to apply to South America, but later on, both continents of America became known by his name.
If I'm not mistaken, the author of that pamphlet was just some regular priest. I think it's fitting that America wasn't named by a king or some other elite.
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solomonpanting Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:12:53pm |
re: #121 Shug
They control the language.
I believe it's up to the Attorney General to write the Proposition's language.
Imagine the outrage if a Proposition to allow abortion appeared thusly:
"Gives Pregnant Woman the Right to Kill Her Child."
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Syrah Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:13:12pm |
re: #135 neocon hippie
Someone in my neighborhood has left outside my dwelling and those a couple blocks around copies of the following article by Naomi Wolf:
Thousands of Troops Are Deployed on US Streets Ready to Carry Out "Crowd Control"
The pamphleteer writes at the top:
How should we respond to this, as neighbors and concerned citizens? Let's get together and discuss it. I have some ideas. Maybe you do, too.
She left her email address, phone number, and address (a block from me, a few doors down from my girlfriend).
Is it permissible to post her email address if anyone wants to -- nicely -- give her feedback?
I tossed it into the recycling bin myself.
You could attend here little neighborhood meeting with the express purpose and plan to work them all up into a frenzy of paranoia.
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Spirit93 Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:13:58pm |
re: #141 Killer Tomato
Um... wouldn't someone have noticed?
What are they, disguised as light poles and parking meters?
lol
Monty Python "How Not To Be Seen".
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Karridine Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:14:11pm |
"This tree (of Freedom), once planted, did not grow and flourish by itself. It needed constant attention, care and nourishment. ... To guarantee its life the tree of freedom from time to time had to be 'watered' with human blood."
This is not exactly Moby-stuff... nor is it a cheap shibboleth, waved above our heads to elicit mindless obedience and sacrifice...
An enlightening link, including 'watering...Tree of Freedom'
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arethusa Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:14:37pm |
re: #156 The Other Les
I've always been in favor of tyrannocide.
The descendants of the Athenian tyrannicides Harmodius and Aristogeiton, who murdered the brother of the tyrant Hippias in 511, were rewarded by the Athenians with free meals at state expense, for life. Went on for centuries.
-Arethusa, bringing you little nuggets you didn't want to know from classical antiquity
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:14:48pm |
re: #157 lostlakehiker
Two such people are running: McCain and Palin.
I know- but some people have come to view McCain as weak because he has integrity. They beat him up for it. They send him nasty emails for it. And no- I'm not talking about leftists- I'm talking about people supposedly on our side. It's very sad.
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Killian Bundy Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:15:06pm |
re: #155 Pepper
Went to the Rangers/Flyers game despite the loss it turned out to be a rousing game, but I digress. Sarah Palin dropped the puck but it was better on TV. Initially the Obamatons booed, but fans drowned them out with applause. Not necessarily politically aligned but out of decorum. The puck was dropped without fanfare, nor was there any speech given. She was in and out without much ado. The whole puck drop with carpet affair really doesn't make much sense.
One political observation, an Obamaton had an Obama mask on during the game and for some reason a fan took a dislike to it and removed it from the Obamaton and returned two pieces back. The Obamaton proceeded to spill several drinks using his oversized hockey foam hand, spilling many beverages. Security removed the face vandal and left the beverage waster.
You decide which was the more heinous crime.
Sarah Palin Drops Puck At Flyers Home Opener
/top that Ol' Plugs!
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neocon hippie Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:15:07pm |
re: #148 jorline
Then she's hitting on several blocks full of people.
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jorline Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:15:12pm |
Time to hit the sack...see y'all in the morning.
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CyanSnowHawk Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:15:38pm |
re: #156 The Other Les
I've always been in favor of tyrannocide.
Don't say that too loudly, the left is so unhinged they think W is a tyrant.
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Dar ul Harbarian Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:15:42pm |
re: #161 Killian Bundy
/simply an amazing speech, if he can keep this up for another three weeks, we'll win going away
Thanks
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mama winger Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:15:44pm |
Sarah Palin is as sane as they come.
Which is why the media has no idea what to make of her.
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J.D. Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:16:12pm |
re: #150 lawhawk
Old news, huh?
I see you posted that at 10:25 AM.
Before I moved down here, I was an election officer and we were ever so encouraged to point out the deceased and those who had moved...How can it be so difficult to keep an eye on this when it's all a matter of public record? What are they doing all year if not those sorts of things.
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Shug Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:16:14pm |
re: #175 mama winger
Sarah Palin is as sane as they come.
Which is why the media has no idea what to make of her.
true
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:16:46pm |
re: #109 Dark_Falcon
Whose blood then? I've no intention of bleeding unless I need to. To borrow from General Patton, I'd rather deliver wounds unto the enemy and let them do the bleeding.
Tyrants and Patriots, per Jefferson.
So delivering is good-to-go for his purposes.
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:16:49pm |
re: #107 jorline
I have to agree with you on the term limits, Ward. Remember when they were the political hot button years ago...what happened?
//they all remembered the longer you stay in the richer you get.
I think the fuss died down after Republicans won the House and Senate. Some states (notably Washington) tried passing laws, but they were struck down by the courts.
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ggt Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:16:55pm |
re: #134 itellu3times
ha! I'm thinking more along the lines of Military Pay. From the Federal budget, you (lottery winner) get a stipend for room and board -while in Washington and the rest is paid by the State coffers from whence you come.
Perhaps you could get a stipend for office expense while in Washington--one staff person per xxx people in your voting district.
I think the Federal Budget lacks oversite because it is so big --put someof this back on the States and it would be easier to manage. Just have to make sure that the Federal tax burden on the tax payer is lowered the amount the State Tax will be increased. I think once many of them get to Washington, they forget about their home state and it's needs.
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jorline Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:17:07pm |
re: #171 neocon hippie
Then she's hitting on several blocks full of people.
Doesn't speak to highly of her now does it?
//
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Inquisitive Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:17:09pm |
re: #100 Palandine
A couple of weeks ago, a letter was read in our archdiocese from the acting bishop. No Catholic in good standing can vote for a pro-abortion candidate, or they are a participant in abortion.
Perfectly legal letter. Doesn't mention any party. It'll give a lot of blue-collar voters heartburn, but many will do the right thing.
BTW, they just showed Bocephus' "Family Tradition" on H & C. I LOVE that redneck...
/Palandine's ring tone is "A Country Boy Can Survive"
Loved his new version of the song......hope to find it on youtube.
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:17:46pm |
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Mich-again Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:18:01pm |
re: #155 Pepper
You decide which was the more heinous crime.
Was the guy wearing the Obama head really pro-Bama? People wear a politicians mask in ridicule.
Maybe the mask halver took umbrage with someone dissing the one.
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Beach Lover Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:18:03pm |
Ya know, I think if Obama only had one or two major problems, it would be easier to beat him. This is like CLinton all over again, which one to pick. After a while it all sounds like chatter and no one is listening.
This ACORN thing is gonna get no traction again this time.
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itellu3times Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:18:07pm |
re: #52 Cognito
I second the term limits.
And they should un-gerrymander congressional districts.
Somehow we have to attract better candidates, in both parties.
But here's the thing, our economy, our society, is a lot different now than it was two hundred years ago. I think we should learn that, from the recent financial events. Technology. We may need some serious new government organs, conservative or not. I don't have anything particular in mind - except, just maybe, and please don't shout - a national healthcare system. But that's just a sideshow, your question was about politics. We need some good ideas, is what we need.
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jwb7605 Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:18:11pm |
re: #153 reine.de.tout
ah, I'm not sold on term limits being a good thing, except for the Presidency, to avoid that whole "kingship" thing.
We already have a mechanism for term limits, it's called "voting".
With term limits, there is a loss of experience, institutional history and memory, that might not be the best thing.
If people vote for a corrupt offiicial, like William Jefferson, then they wpuld easily vote for a second corrupt official to replace him. Term limits will not solve that problem; it won't ensure that corrupt people aren't elected.
But it term limits just might ensure that good and experienced people would not get to continue in a job where they can do some good.
IMHO the "loss of experience" is a non-factor.
Term limits will not ensure corrupt people aren't elected, but it will ensure they don't get entrenched.
The good and experienced people I've seen have term-limited themselves. Those people include (Colorado Senator) Hank Brown and (Tennessee Senator) Fred Thompson. Both of those went on to improve conditions as private citizens.
Also, I consider the current Congress to be akin to a "Kingship".
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Syrah Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:18:16pm |
I think that with all of this talk about watering the tree of liberty we should keep in mind that it is not something that we should be inclined to or want to do for light and transient causes.
Just saying.
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neocon hippie Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:19:12pm |
My LLL girlfriend, who is a psychologist, is convinced that Sarah Palin is a narcissistic psychopath. She's also convinced that she's a biblical literalist who has no conception of reality.
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Mich-again Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:19:26pm |
re: #182 Inquisitive
Loved his new version of the song......hope to find it on youtube.
Its in the spinoffs now. Go ding it.
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notutopia Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:19:26pm |
re: #165 Syrah
Is this a credible news outlet? I read the article and it is highly speculative and accusatory and verges on conspiracy theory! Are there any other news sources that are posting military force exercises for domestic crowd control here within the last two weeks?
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Mich-again Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:19:54pm |
re: #190 neocon hippie
My LLL girlfriend, who is a psycho
logist, is convinced that Sarah Palin is a narcissistic psychopath. She's also convinced that she's a biblical literalist who has no conception of reality.
Fixed it.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:20:02pm |
re: #52 Cognito
I'm pondering how we could inject sanity back into our political system. How is it that our first president -- and perhaps our finest -- managed to hold the office and not only do a good job, but reject overtures for kingship?
Are we simply morally bankrupt now? Or have we built moral hazard into the system?
I think term limits for Congress would help. They get stuck into the system, drunk with power, and don't dare make any important decisions for fear their careers might falter. Term limits would preempt that.
Any other thoughts?
Yea, how about term limits for journalist! Ha, put that in your pipe and smoke it Cog!
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:20:09pm |
re: #135 neocon hippie
Someone in my neighborhood has left outside my dwelling and those a couple blocks around copies of the following article by Naomi Wolf:
Thousands of Troops Are Deployed on US Streets Ready to Carry Out "Crowd Control"
The pamphleteer writes at the top:
How should we respond to this, as neighbors and concerned citizens? Let's get together and discuss it. I have some ideas. Maybe you do, too.
She left her email address, phone number, and address (a block from me, a few doors down from my girlfriend).
Is it permissible to post her email address if anyone wants to -- nicely -- give her feedback?
I tossed it into the recycling bin myself.
Just write her phone number and email address, along with "for a good time..." in the bathroom stalls at a sports bar or nightclub. Hilarity ensues.
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jamgarr Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:20:21pm |
What was the flag with the big "O" behind Obama today?
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Palandine Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:20:33pm |
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doriangrey Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:20:48pm |
re: #103 Sharmuta
It was Free Token who said we need to improve civics education, and I agree. People have no idea what they're doing, what they're supporting. They have no idea about American government or the Constitution.
I can't tell you the number of times I've corrected people when they mis-speak about the Constitution. Some will even argue with me until I whip out my pocked Constitution and show them they are wrong on a point. Unbelievable! Hell- just last week I made a comment about the Constitutional requirements for the Senate and a co-worker of mine had no idea there was an age limit! And she gets to vote, fercryinoutloud!
Oh my god.... I have one one my wall, never even thought of one that I could carry around on my person.... Sharmuta you gorgeous constitution toting babe..... ;)
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:20:53pm |
re: #154 CyanSnowHawk
The other way sounds a bit like that 4 person video game from the late 80's, Gauntlet.
"Warrior needs food badly."
Mars needs women.
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Dar ul Harbarian Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:20:56pm |
re: #190 neocon hippie
My LLL girlfriend, who is a psychologist, is convinced that Sarah Palin is a narcissistic psychopath. She's also convinced that she's a biblical literalist who has no conception of reality.
If I give her the benefit of the doubt, Palin is still better than Obama.
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:21:13pm |
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:21:27pm |
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arethusa Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:21:33pm |
re: #190 neocon hippie
My LLL girlfriend, who is a psychologist, is convinced that Sarah Palin is a narcissistic psychopath. She's also convinced that she's a biblical literalist who has no conception of reality.
Bet you two have some interesting conversations.
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ggt Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:21:35pm |
re: #135 neocon hippie
Lovely.
Why do these people neglect mention that it is difficult to "overcome" an armed citizenry?
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Basho Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:21:36pm |
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The Other Les Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:21:40pm |
re: #173 CyanSnowHawk
Don't say that too loudly, the left is so unhinged they think W is a tyrant.
The Left is so unhinged that they don't believe that Castro is a tyrant.
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JacksonTn Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:21:40pm |
re: #100 Palandine
A couple of weeks ago, a letter was read in our archdiocese from the acting bishop. No Catholic in good standing can vote for a pro-abortion candidate, or they are a participant in abortion.
Perfectly legal letter. Doesn't mention any party. It'll give a lot of blue-collar voters heartburn, but many will do the right thing.
BTW, they just showed Bocephus' "Family Tradition" on H & C. I LOVE that redneck...
/Palandine's ring tone is "A Country Boy Can Survive"
We got about the same thing in our parish .......
Since you mentioned Hank ....... and your ringtone ...... let me take this opportunity to once again ........ post my favorite video of Hank Jr. song ........the videos of our troops are great ......(I know I posted it before but .....oh, well)
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MacDuff Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:21:57pm |
re: #52 Cognito
I'm pondering how we could inject sanity back into our political system. How is it that our first president -- and perhaps our finest -- managed to hold the office and not only do a good job, but reject overtures for kingship?
Are we simply morally bankrupt now? Or have we built moral hazard into the system?
I think term limits for Congress would help. They get stuck into the system, drunk with power, and don't dare make any important decisions for fear their careers might falter. Term limits would preempt that.
Any other thoughts?
I guess every human endeavor is subject to human frailties, as we all too often see. I think the trick is to revere the system and the our country not for what it can do for us, but for what it allows us to do for ourselves. We take, but only a rare few ever really give back to our country. It is a symbiotic relationship, our country and ourselves - it helps us, but only if we help it.
I guess that "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" is really the goal for which we should strive and that philosophy may be the only thing that stands between us and oblivion.
Maybe McCain's "Country First" is more powerful than than your garden variety political slogan. Maybe it's a two word road map away from where we currently find ourselves.
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Dar ul Harbarian Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:21:57pm |
re: #194 Walter L. Newton
Yea, how about term limits for journalist! Ha, put that in your pipe and smoke it Cog!
I don't think most of their parents would let them back home.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:22:01pm |
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The Shadow Do Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:22:03pm |
re: #190 neocon hippie
My LLL girlfriend, who is a psychologist, is convinced that Sarah Palin is a narcissistic psychopath. She's also convinced that she's a biblical literalist who has no conception of reality.
And her issues are?
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jorline Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:22:12pm |
re: #193 Mich-again
Fixed it.
ROTFLMAO...I think I soiled myself...damn you Mich!
Now I'm off to bed.
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Shug Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:22:18pm |
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jamgarr Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:22:19pm |
Part of me was hoping that - part of me wasn't
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doriangrey Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:22:35pm |
re: #189 CyanSnowHawk
Jan is going to be so pissed.
Why? Rumor has it she slept with Marcia too......
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J.D. Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:22:38pm |
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gmsc Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:22:49pm |
re: #203 Ward Cleaver
It's the Ohio flag.
There are only two jurisdictional (nation/state/province/territory) flags in the entire world that aren't rectangular: Ohio and Nepal.
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Shug Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:23:16pm |
re: #196 jamgarr
What was the flag with the big "O" behind Obama today?
It was a Zero.
Standing for the Number of Ohio football teams that the University of Michigan can beat
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The Other Les Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:23:25pm |
re: #176 J.D.
Old news, huh?
I see you posted that at 10:25 AM.Before I moved down here, I was an election officer and we were ever so encouraged to point out the deceased and those who had moved...How can it be so difficult to keep an eye on this when it's all a matter of public record? What are they doing all year if not those sorts of things.
Upholding the voting rights of Imaginary Americans.
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:23:34pm |
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ggt Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:23:39pm |
re: #147 IslandLibertarian
Vespucci lost the war of identity politics in his day. Columbus won.
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Slumbering Behemoth Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:23:42pm |
re: #218 doriangrey
Stay out of my head, damn it!
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alien_mind Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:23:46pm |
re: #161 Killian Bundy
/simply an amazing speech, if he can keep this up for another three weeks, we'll win going away
that was exactly the type of thing I was speaking about this morning, he needs to harken back to his 'stand up and fight' theme from his acceptance speech.
I agree that the time is right for this meessage right now, he is going to catch people lifting up their heads from all this financial armageddon we've been going through, they're going to see hope coming from McCain and a risky alternative in Obama.
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lawhawk Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:23:57pm |
re: #153 reine.de.tout
That latter line is the one being pushed by Bloomberg in NYC. He wants a 3d term, but the law as passed by a voter referendum limits him to 2 terms.
He says he's the only one qualified to lead the city at a time of financial upheaval on Wall Street.
I'd like folks to remember that it was smart people like Bloomberg who pushed us into this mess in the first place. Lots of smart people saw nothing wrong with subprime lending and the toxic paper produced as derivatives. Lots of money was made in good times, but the moment the housing market slowed and began retrograde, all hell broke loose.
Now, Bloomberg hopes to capitalize on people's fears to demand a 3d term.
I'd point out further that he's made some truly bad choices over the years, including mandating fuel economy standards that automakers simply can't provide because they lack the production capabilities, and his primary solution to the city's budget crunch isn't to cut spending, but to consider raising still more taxes. Only belatedly does cost control come into play.
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Charles Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:23:58pm |
re: #220 gmsc
There are only two jurisdictional (nation/state/province/territory) flags in the entire world that aren't rectangular: Ohio and Nepal.
It may become the Obama flag too, if McCain doesn't win Ohio.
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:24:12pm |
re: #103 Sharmuta
It was Free Token who said we need to improve civics education, and I agree. People have no idea what they're doing, what they're supporting. They have no idea about American government or the Constitution.
I can't tell you the number of times I've corrected people when they mis-speak about the Constitution. Some will even argue with me until I whip out my pocked Constitution and show them they are wrong on a point. Unbelievable! Hell- just last week I made a comment about the Constitutional requirements for the Senate and a co-worker of mine had no idea there was an age limit! And she gets to vote, fercryinoutloud!
We've had Lizards insist that there is NO RIGHT TO VOTE, tht voting is a privilege. Just the other day, in fact. Cognito whipped out the 15th Amendment.
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neocon hippie Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:24:17pm |
re: #193 Mich-again
She's not in most areas but she is when it comes to politics. In which case a rather nasty side of her comes out. She's become an Olby fan, and she's convinced the election is over. That she hears Billy Kristol on NPR doesn't help.
We mostly stay away from politics as a subject, as we have for many years.
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Cartman Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:24:46pm |
Wow, some organization called Healthcare America, or something like that, has had the same commercial blasting McCain at least 8 times tonight on MNF.
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Dar ul Harbarian Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:24:49pm |
re: #228 alien_mind
that was exactly the type of thing I was speaking about this morning, he needs to harken back to his 'stand up and fight' theme from his acceptance speech.
I agree that the time is right for this meessage right now, he is going to catch people lifting up their heads from all this financial armageddon we've been going through, they're going to see hope coming from McCain and a risky alternative in Obama.
Unfortunately, that speech has only 300 or more views on YouTube
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Intrepid Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:25:03pm |
re: #135 neocon hippie
Someone is afraid that Obama isn't going to win. Very afraid.
Heh. I love the smell of moonbat fear in the evening.
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J.D. Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:25:17pm |
re: #223 The Other Les
Upholding the voting rights of Imaginary Americans.
I can see where that could keep you busy...
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lawhawk Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:25:27pm |
As for term limits in general - I abhor them. The best way to deal with term limits is to vote the bums out of office. However, if the voters have passed laws that institute term limits, the only way to get around that is for the voters to change their minds and vote accordingly. Anything else is a conflict of interest that is nothing more than self-dealing (again, the NYC case).
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Palandine Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:25:31pm |
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The Shadow Do Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:25:37pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:25:52pm |
re: #190 neocon hippie
My LLL girlfriend, who is a psychologist, is convinced that Sarah Palin is a narcissistic psychopath. She's also convinced that she's a biblical literalist who has no conception of reality.
Well, your girlfriend is abusing her medical position. We on LGF can "surmise" that someone shows a certain behavior, but without sitting down with Ms. Palin for a good number of therapy session, you girlfriend cannot know if Ms. Palin is suffering from anything.
Tell her to get her head out of the DSM.
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:26:13pm |
re: #234 Cartman
Wow, some organization called Healthcare America, or something like that, has had the same commercial blasting McCain at least 8 times tonight on MNF.
Oh crap, who's playing? I forgot.
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Steffan Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:26:20pm |
re: #69 Dar ul Harbarian
Just think:
300 million Americans
Rule out people less than 35 and older people who are infirm and you have about 100 million possible presidential candidates. Of those, lets just say, 25% have some criminal record or other disqualifying history.
That leaves 75 million people.
Of those, lets say 0.01% have the intelligence, character traits, and education to be a good President.
That leaves 7,500 excellent Presidential candidates.
And look what happens election after election.
God must hate us.
I forget who said it, but a good rule of thumb is that no one who wants the Presidency should be allowed anywhere near it.
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neocon hippie Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:26:25pm |
re: #236 Intrepid
Believe me, she has no fear. She feeds herself daily with an extensive MSM diet. She is utterly confident that Obama will walk away with it.
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itellu3times Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:26:32pm |
re: #190 neocon hippie
My LLL girlfriend, who is a psychologist, is convinced that Sarah Palin is a narcissistic psychopath. She's also convinced that she's a biblical literalist who has no conception of reality.
Take her on a trip to Alaska.
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J.D. Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:27:07pm |
re: #242 Ward Cleaver
Oh crap, who's playing? I forgot.
WARD!
The Browns and someone...Browns were up last I checked, strangely enough...
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Mich-again Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:27:16pm |
re: #190 neocon hippiere: #232 neocon hippie
She's not in most areas but she is when it comes to politics. In which case a rather nasty side of her comes out. She's become an Olby fan, and she's convinced the election is over. That she hears Billy Kristol on NPR doesn't help.
We mostly stay away from politics as a subject, as we have for many years.
Double life. Yeech. Hows that work?
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doriangrey Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:27:20pm |
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arethusa Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:27:21pm |
re: #241 Walter L. Newton
Well, your girlfriend is abusing her medical position. We on LGF can "surmise" that someone shows a certain behavior, but without sitting down with Ms. Palin for a good number of therapy session, you girlfriend cannot know if Ms. Palin is suffering from anything.
I don't know...my mother, a retired physician, likes to try to outdiagnose the docs on ER. She usually wins, too.
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Cartman Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:27:49pm |
re: #190 neocon hippie
My LLL girlfriend, who is a psychologist, is convinced that Sarah Palin is a narcissistic psychopath. She's also convinced that she's a biblical literalist who has no conception of reality.
Good luck, with that one. You're gonna need it.
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slokat Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:28:03pm |
re: #103 Sharmuta
...so I'm not the only lizard with a pocket constitution. cool!
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hazzyday Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:28:26pm |
Puma Pac has some good photos in it's blog. Donate money to them.
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Dar ul Harbarian Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:28:45pm |
re: #243 Steffan
I forget who said it, but a good rule of thumb is that no one who wants the Presidency should be allowed anywhere near it.
I think that was Arthur C. Clarke in one of his stories. The President was selected by computer. The job was sort of like jury duty, or being drafted. The President was given early release for doing well.
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neocon hippie Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:28:48pm |
re: #247 Mich-again
By staying away from politics 98% of the time.
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Shug Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:28:54pm |
More drivel from Rochelle Riley
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Inquisitive Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:29:04pm |
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gmsc Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:29:05pm |
re: #208 The Other Les
The Left is so unhinged that they don't believe that Castro is a tyrant.
Have you seen the report on the Venezuelan economy under Chavez (Video Version here)? It's tanked, but I'm sure it has nothing to do with Chavez being a tyrant.
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Typicalwhitey Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:29:46pm |
re: #232 neocon hippie
She's not in most areas but she is when it comes to politics. In which case a rather nasty side of her comes out. She's become an Olby fan, and she's convinced the election is over. That she hears Billy Kristol on NPR doesn't help.
We mostly stay away from politics as a subject, as we have for many years.
I cannot for the life of me understand how ANYONE can stand olbermann. That guy is a complete smartass asshole.
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Mich-again Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:29:51pm |
re: #250 Cartman
Good luck, with that one. You're gonna need it.
My first post before I erased it was warning him not to marry her but I thought that might have been too forward. But I see we kind of think the same there. StAy AwAy FrOM tHe KRazY WoMAn!
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CyanSnowHawk Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:30:02pm |
re: #259 gmsc
Have you seen the report on the Venezuelan economy under Chavez (Video Version here)? It's tanked, but I'm sure it has nothing to do with Chavez being a tyrant.
Probably has something to do with him being an idiot.
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Intrepid Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:30:07pm |
Anybody know what happened to that poor lady who designed the Florida ballots into "butterfly style" back in 2000 in order to help the senior citizens?
What was her name? Is she still around in FL election circles?
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Basho Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:30:08pm |
re: #238 lawhawk
Just curious: What would it take to place term limits on Congress? Wouldn't that require a constitutional amendment?
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notutopia Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:30:16pm |
re: #226 taxfreekiller
I knew there was something fishy about that "Found America" title!
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NY Grampa Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:30:19pm |
re: #90 HoosierHoops
I just tried that. I got about 90 replies, all having this problem after installing SP3. However, NY Nana, based on recommendations from techies here did not install SP3. In addition, Microsoft claims that it is not a SP3 problem but gives no help in resolving the problem. Now I am at a total loss as to what is causing this error.
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Killian Bundy Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:30:23pm |
re: #228 alien_mind
that was exactly the type of thing I was speaking about this morning, he needs to harken back to his 'stand up and fight' theme from his acceptance speech.
I agree that the time is right for this meessage right now, he is going to catch people lifting up their heads from all this financial armageddon we've been going through, they're going to see hope coming from McCain and a risky alternative in Obama.
/and he did it all without Mr. TelePrompter
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:30:44pm |
re: #246 J.D.
WARD!
The Browns and someone...Browns were up last I checked, strangely enough...
J.D.!
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reine.de.tout Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:30:54pm |
re: #187 jwb7605
IMHO the "loss of experience" is a non-factor.
I'm unaware of any employer who would think it was a good idea to get rid of his experienced employees and replace them with brand-new, untried, untested employees every two to six to eight years.
The experience I'm talking about isn't just the experience of one person, it's the combined experience of people who have learned to work together in some way or another.
Term limits will not ensure corrupt people aren't elected, but it will ensure they don't get entrenched.
I agree that corrupt officials should not become "entrenched", but the solution to that is the power of the vote, not term limits. Where you live, what is the percentage of registered voters who actually vote in an election? People need to take their vote seriously enough to get out and vote. If they don't . . . well, term limits isn't going to help.
Also, I consider the current Congress to be akin to a "Kingship".
I don't think any one individual has that level of power or authority - the power and authority is institutional, it's about how one party is the majority party and one is the minority party, and it's about how the majority party wields its influence. And that will exist whether the players are all new or not.
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Pepper Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:31:01pm |
re: #184 Mich-again
Good point, but it was behind me and I was only interested in what was in front of me, the game. Politics stops at the real puck drop.
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Dar ul Harbarian Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:31:05pm |
re: #265 Basho
Just curious: What would it take to place term limits on Congress? Wouldn't that require a constitutional amendment?
I think each state can set its own rules, but I'm not sure.
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abolitionist Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:31:10pm |
re: #140 Charles
re: #91 Tilli
The full quote from Thomas Jefferson, in context, is here:
To William S. Smith Paris, Nov. 13, 1787
DEAR SIR,
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The Shadow Do Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:31:15pm |
re: #256 neocon hippie
By staying away from politics 98% of the time.
LOL. Growing up there were horrendous arguments between my parents every four years about nullifying each others vote.
The rest of the time things were pretty normal.
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JacksonTn Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:32:15pm |
re: #213 The Shadow Do
And her issues are?
That is what most people are saying about The One ..... he displays more of those characteristics than Sarah ....... actually I don't she shows any of them ....
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Beach Lover Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:32:42pm |
anyone else see this kid in Ohio that registered to vote 73 times?
this is crazy!
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OldLineTexan Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:32:49pm |
I have loved some women
And I have loved Jim Beam
And Barry didn't know Billy
In nineteen seventy-three...
Barack Williams, Jr.
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Opilio Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:33:07pm |
re: #192 notutopia
Is this a credible news outlet? I read the article and it is highly speculative and accusatory and verges on conspiracy theory! Are there any other news sources that are posting military force exercises for domestic crowd control here within the last two weeks?
No, it is not, and no, there are not.
From AlterNet's own "About Us" link:
AlterNet is a key player in the echo chamber of progressive ideas and vision...
How's that for truth in advertising.
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J.D. Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:33:12pm |
re: #276 Beach Lover
anyone else see this kid in Ohio that registered to vote 73 times?
this is crazy!
What happens to someone who does that?
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gmsc Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:33:33pm |
re: #274 The Shadow Do
LOL. Growing up there were horrendous arguments between my parents every four years about nullifying each others vote.
The rest of the time things were pretty normal.
Isn't there a comedy sketch like that?
A husband and wife fight about voting for different candidates, and they realize their votes will just cancel each other out.
Later, when each is on their own, they each figure out separately, "Well, the other person isn't going to vote, so I'll vote and my vote won't be canceled out . . ."
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solomonpanting Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:33:41pm |
re: #264 Intrepid
Anybody know what happened to that poor lady who designed the Florida ballots into "butterfly style" back in 2000 in order to help the senior citizens?
What was her name? Is she still around in FL election circles?
She's a piñata at lefty parties.
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Steffan Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:33:45pm |
re: #80 solomonpanting
Proposition Eight in California was placed on the ballot by stating that marriage is defined as between one man and one woman. My Official Voter Information Guide staters the following regarding this Proposition:
Eliminates Right of Same-Sex Couples to Marry.
Changes the California Constitution to eliminate the right of same-sex couples to marry in California.I wasn't aware this right was already in the Constitution.
Thank you, Jerry Brown.
It's not in the state constitution. What happened was that the state supreme court (lower case intended) ruled that same-sex marriages were protected by the state constitution.
What the measure intends is to add the prohibition to the state constitution so that the courts can't f**k around with it any more.
I have no problem with domestic partnerships -- in fact, I think domestic partners should be eligible for Federal spousal benefits (such as SS survivor benefits), which they're not -- but marriage is a millennia-old religious ceremony intended to help propagate the species.
Screwing around with that concept without voter input tends to piss people off, hence the ballot measure.
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Dar ul Harbarian Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:33:45pm |
re: #275 JacksonTn
That is what most people are saying about The One ..... he displays more of those characteristics than Sarah ....... actually I don't she shows any of them ....
I find it hard to imagine someone with pathologic narcissism keeping a Down's baby.
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:34:02pm |
Cleveland's leading the Giants? It's the end of the world!
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Florida Lady Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:34:18pm |
re: #260 Typicalwhitey
I cannot for the life of me understand how ANYONE can stand olbermann. That guy is a complete smartass asshole.
My husband watched him the other night for the first time while on a business trip (no FNC available); being a Canadian, you'd think he'd be used to looney (forgive the pun!) left-wing rants. He couldn't believe what he was watching . . . called me up to change the channel to MSNBC & just watch Olby for a few minutes.
Told him I couldn't, as I had just had dinner.
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Shug Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:34:21pm |
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hazzyday Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:34:23pm |
re: #150 lawhawk
The situation is real bad in Florida, especially considering that they should have been embarrassed into taking action to completely overhaul the system after 2000. They didn't. They went with the high tech electronic voting machines that often don't work and need to rely on paper ballots.
But they ignored the basics of culling the voter rolls of those who died, are felons, or otherwise moved out of the jurisdiction, etc.
Election departments are always sold a marketing scheme in terms of improved voting methods. They mainly need to conserve tax dollars and hopefully try to avoid an integrity fail in an election. The bottom line is can you trust your election workers and administrators. Usually the workers yes, the administrators often lack some integrity.
A national voter id is needed. Vote at the polls. No ID, no vote. Advertise it as "being as simple to vote as getting off your ass to the polls"
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J.D. Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:34:34pm |
re: #284 Ward Cleaver
Cleveland's leading the Giants? It's the end of the world!
Different, isn't it?
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Spirit93 Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:34:47pm |
re: #243 Steffan
I forget who said it, but a good rule of thumb is that no one who wants the Presidency should be allowed anywhere near it.
Pretty sure that's in The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams.
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J.D. Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:34:59pm |
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neocon hippie Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:35:00pm |
I saw Santana last night. Hugh 2.75 hour show, quite excellent. But as most of you know, Carlos is a moonbat, along with being into some vague kind of universalist spiritual trip. He was once a disciple of the wacko cult guru Sri Chinmoy. Anyway, he was babbling about oneness and positivity and such, then made some crack about Bush, Cheney and McCain. Later he said something to the effect that we're all one, Democrats and GOPers, 49er and Raiders fans (hahaha). I wish he'd just shut up and play his guitar.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:35:01pm |
re: #277 OldLineTexan
Hey Tex.
I was looking at your avatar. Is that a cannon, a cigar or your johnson that you don't want "them" to take? LOL :)
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:35:04pm |
re: #276 Beach Lover
anyone else see this kid in Ohio that registered to vote 73 times?
this is crazy!
The Domino man?
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OldLineTexan Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:35:13pm |
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Basho Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:35:18pm |
re: #272 Dar ul Harbarian
I think each state can set its own rules, but I'm not sure.
I don't have a pocket constitution, but I think there is something in there that says Congress has the power to basically pass any rule that will allow it to do a better job. So I'm thinking they can override any state decision regarding term limits.
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Killian Bundy Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:35:30pm |
re: #279 J.D.
What happens to someone who does that?
They're supposed to go to jail.
/it's a felony for non-Bonkeys
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:35:33pm |
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Beach Lover Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:35:33pm |
re: #279 J.D.
What happens to someone who does that?
supposedly, the kid isn't in trouble, but the ACORN rep that signed him up will be turned over to FBI. But, how are they gonna prove who signed him up? Bet you dollars to doughnuts they will do nothing.
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Typicalwhitey Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:35:47pm |
re: #276 Beach Lover
anyone else see this kid in Ohio that registered to vote 73 times?
this is crazy!
Yeah and 800k was paid to ACORN from Obama.
MSM....crickets
Obama associates with domestic terrorists.
MSM....crickets
Obama listens to racist hate speech.
MSM.....crickets
Joe Biden lies 10 times in his debate.
MSM.....crickets.
ONE McCain supporter says he is angry.
MSM..FRONT PAGE NEWS! McCain inciting race riots!
FUCK
I don't see how McCain can overcome this.
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itellu3times Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:36:00pm |
re: #270 reine.de.tout
I'm unaware of any employer who would think it was a good idea to get rid of his experienced employees and replace them with brand-new, untried, untested employees every two to six to eight years.
Very common in sales environments.
Arguably common in tech environments, too, where three years experience is considered "senior".
Face it, nine out of ten legislators never do anything at all, no matter how long they serve, it's all their staffs and political parties and lobbyists, in the positive aspects of their jobs.
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gmsc Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:36:04pm |
re: #243 Steffan
I forget who said it, but a good rule of thumb is that no one who wants the Presidency should be allowed anywhere near it.
re: #290 Spirit93
Pretty sure that's in The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams.
You're probably thinking of Groucho Marx's comment that he would refuse to join any club that would have someone like him as a member.
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solomonpanting Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:36:22pm |
re: #282 Steffan
I have no problem with domestic partnerships -- in fact, I think domestic partners should be eligible for Federal spousal benefits (such as SS survivor benefits), which they're not -- but marriage is a millennia-old religious ceremony intended to help propagate the species.
I agree.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:36:24pm |
re: #229 lawhawk
That latter line is the one being pushed by Bloomberg in NYC. He wants a 3d term, but the law as passed by a voter referendum limits him to 2 terms.
He says he's the only one qualified to lead the city at a time of financial upheaval on Wall Street.
. . .
Now, Bloomberg hopes to capitalize on people's fears to demand a 3d term.
. . .
.
Is the term limit going to absolutely ensure that NYC gets a better mayor the next time around?
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:36:40pm |
The Browns shouldn't be allowed to wear throwback uniforms, because they're not the real Cleveland Browns.
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Cartman Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:36:41pm |
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The Shadow Do Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:36:45pm |
re: #280 gmsc
Isn't there a comedy sketch like that?
A husband and wife fight about voting for different candidates, and they realize their votes will just cancel each other out.
Later, when each is on their own, they each figure out separately, "Well, the other person isn't going to vote, so I'll vote and my vote won't be canceled out . . ."
Yeah, I think so...I Love Lucy? I wish I could place it.
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baxtrice Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:36:46pm |
This election is an object lesson in why no sane person would ever run for high office in the United States...
Wise words..
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J.D. Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:36:49pm |
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Palandine Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:37:17pm |
re: #257 Shug
More drivel from Rochelle Riley
From the piece:
America has discovered that Sen. Barack Obama is half-black.
No way! Why wasn't I informed?
Jeez, the lefties are incapable of removing the race card from their bicycle spokes, aren't they?
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Salem Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:37:22pm |
re: #52 Cognito
I'm pondering how we could inject sanity back into our political system. How is it that our first president -- and perhaps our finest -- managed to hold the office and not only do a good job, but reject overtures for kingship
Reputedly, he was emulating the Roman hero Scipio Cincinnatus, who went back to his plowshare rather than be dictator for life. I think Washington figured his colleagues were screwing it all up, anyway, and he didn't have any desire to have his face as a symbol of the debacle to come. A military man, he probably didn't have the yen for government that the bureaucrats and rabble-rousers of the time did. Just my personal speculations, though.
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freeus Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:37:30pm |
What I find amusing about this flag deal is that most of the time he does not have an American flag present. When he is not on stage at an event and does have the American flag present, there is usually not a state flag present. So, it was kind of strange that THIS flag was present. Perhaps I am wrong, but with THE ONE nothing is ever just chance. What I do know is a lot of the time at McCain/Palin rallies the crowd chants USA! and at Obama rallies they chant, OBAMA! Just an observance.
I would like to take this opportunity to thank the Lizards for keeping my spirits up, and me informed on things you will not find in the media, and in some cases elsewhere on the net. You guys are great!
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:37:46pm |
re: #243 Steffan
I forget who said it, but a good rule of thumb is that no one who wants the Presidency should be allowed anywhere near it.
I believe Arthur C. Clarke had a story in which the president could only be from people who had never expressed any interest in the job.
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Syrah Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:37:48pm |
re: #192 notutopia
Is this a credible news outlet? I read the article and it is highly speculative and accusatory and verges on conspiracy theory! Are there any other news sources that are posting military force exercises for domestic crowd control here within the last two weeks?
It depends more on if the flier passed out around neocon hippie's neighborhood was mimeographed or just xeroxed.
Everyone in the know about how the real conspiracies work knows, just knows, that any flier that is mimeographed is absolutely rock solid in its authenticity. It's only the xeroxed fliers that you have to be suspicious of since Xerox Corp. is part of the conspiracy.
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rawmuse Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:38:01pm |
re: #190 neocon hippie
My LLL girlfriend, who is a psychologist, is convinced that Sarah Palin is a narcissistic psychopath. She's also convinced that she's a biblical literalist who has no conception of reality.
To a psychologist, everyone has some sort of problem. I have known my share. No one is well adjusted except themselves. If you are a hammer, all you see are nails.
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:38:11pm |
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gmsc Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:38:17pm |
re: #307 The Shadow Do
Yeah, I think so...I Love Lucy? I wish I could place it.
It probably was I Love Lucy, but it wasn't with voting. It was some other promise they made to each other.
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Cartman Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:38:19pm |
re: #284 Ward Cleaver
Cleveland's leading the Giants? It's the end of the world!
It won't last. My Browns will once agains snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
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OldLineTexan Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:38:21pm |
re: #293 Walter L. Newton
Hey Tex.
I was looking at your avatar. Is that a cannon, a cigar or your johnson that you don't want "them" to take? LOL :)
Sometimes a cannon is just a cannonYour text to link....
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J.D. Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:39:05pm |
re: #297 Killian Bundy
They're supposed to go to jail.
/it's a felony for non-Bonkeys
Jail time? Seriously?
re: #299 Beach Lover
supposedly, the kid isn't in trouble, but the ACORN rep that signed him up will be turned over to FBI. But, how are they gonna prove who signed him up? Bet you dollars to doughnuts they will do nothing.
Well, time will tell. Geez...
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arethusa Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:39:10pm |
re: #264 Intrepid
Anybody know what happened to that poor lady who designed the Florida ballots into "butterfly style" back in 2000 in order to help the senior citizens?
What was her name? Is she still around in FL election circles?
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NY Nana Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:39:11pm |
Belated, but for our Canadian lizards, a very happy Thanksgiving!
/The troll named NY Grampa is going to steal my computer, and screw it up even more than I have managed to do, impossible as that may seem...in the words of Ahhhhnold, I'll be baaahk....I hope!
Thanks, lizards, for your help!
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Racer X Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:39:43pm |
re: #300 Typicalwhitey
Yeah and 800k was paid to ACORN from Obama.
MSM....crickets
Obama associates with domestic terrorists.
MSM....crickets
Obama listens to racist hate speech.
MSM.....crickets
Joe Biden lies 10 times in his debate.
MSM.....crickets.
ONE McCain supporter says he is angry.
MSM..FRONT PAGE NEWS! McCain inciting race riots!FUCK
I don't see how McCain can overcome this.
Hit back.
Its not like the left doesn't already hate McCain and Palin. Go all in.
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Kreuzueber Halbmond Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:39:46pm |
This is America, the side with the most votes subpoenas wins.
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Noam Sayin' Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:39:46pm |
Went away for a bit to assemble and play with the new toy, and come back to some deleted comments:
Error: This lizardoid's name does not seem to exist in the LGF repository.
Wow, Charles. I didn't know you could make a lizardoid... not exist.
*GULP*
On a side note, it is unwise to fire up a brand, new 2-cycle leaf blower/vac/mulcher in the house.
But it sounds really f*ckin' cool!
*cough*
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J.D. Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:39:47pm |
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Beach Lover Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:39:48pm |
re: #294 MandyManners
yes. Well one of the two that they had on this morning. One got a pack of cigs and $20. Don't know what this one got for the 73 signatures. Don't recall him saying, other than he just wanted to help them (ACORN reps) out.
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NY Grampa Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:39:54pm |
Thanks to all for your responses to my computer question. NY Nana will be off line for awhile as I back up her computer and then try the repair from the CD.
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conservativeChick Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:39:56pm |
OMG! If any of you want a laugh read this: McCain Attended ACORN Rally.
Seeing how I am with links the full link is below.
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
Got to hand it to the KosKiddies though. I have been having horrible constipation all day and LMAO at this "story" really helped me with that problem.
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:40:01pm |
re: #301 itellu3times
Very common in sales environments.
Arguably common in tech environments, too, where three years experience is considered "senior".
Face it, nine out of ten legislators never do anything at all, no matter how long they serve, it's all their staffs and political parties and lobbyists, in the positive aspects of their jobs.
Give house member three four-year terms, and Senators two six-year terms. Twelve years is plenty enough.
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arethusa Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:40:05pm |
re: #311 Salem
Reputedly, he was emulating the Roman hero Scipio Cincinnatus, who went back to his plowshare rather than be dictator for life. I think Washington figured his colleagues were screwing it all up, anyway, and he didn't have any desire to have his face as a symbol of the debacle to come. A military man, he probably didn't have the yen for government that the bureaucrats and rabble-rousers of the time did. Just my personal speculations, though.
Also, his wooden teeth hurt./
(No, no, I think that's right. Though Cincinnatus was a giant fraud, Washington wasn't.)
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Basho Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:40:06pm |
re: #312 freeus
I would like to take this opportunity to thank the Lizards for keeping my spirits up, and me informed on things you will not find in the media, and in some cases elsewhere on the net. You guys are great!
You're too kind. I and many others here are morons but thanks for the compliment ;D
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CyanSnowHawk Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:40:07pm |
re: #316 Ward Cleaver
Good for waking up the dead.
Just don't wake me up on a Saturday Morning, or it may very well be the last time you get to play with it.
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baxtrice Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:40:22pm |
re: #319 OldLineTexan
Sometimes a cannon is just a cannonYour text to link....
Display that icon proudly.
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NY Nana Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:40:23pm |
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Killian Bundy Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:40:33pm |
re: #264 Intrepid
Anybody know what happened to that poor lady who designed the Florida ballots into "butterfly style" back in 2000 in order to help the senior citizens?
What was her name? Is she still around in FL election circles?
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itellu3times Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:41:01pm |
re: #311 Salem
Reputedly, he was emulating the Roman hero Scipio Cincinnatus, who went back to his plowshare rather than be dictator for life. I think Washington figured his colleagues were screwing it all up, anyway, and he didn't have any desire to have his face as a symbol of the debacle to come. A military man, he probably didn't have the yen for government that the bureaucrats and rabble-rousers of the time did. Just my personal speculations, though.
It was after all in keeping with the revolution against the king of england and the thinking in the federalist papers. Washington wasn't the intellectual type, but he lived it for them. Fantastic, isn't it?
Better yet there was no tradition or infrastructure for a monarchy there in the colonies, no colony had had a king, either, nor was there a hereditary nobility as in Europe.
I'm reading "A Distant Mirror" about the 14th century. Oy.
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JacksonTn Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:41:06pm |
re: #300 Typicalwhitey
Yeah and 800k was paid to ACORN from Obama.
MSM....crickets
Obama associates with domestic terrorists.
MSM....crickets
Obama listens to racist hate speech.
MSM.....crickets
Joe Biden lies 10 times in his debate.
MSM.....crickets.
ONE McCain supporter says he is angry.
MSM..FRONT PAGE NEWS! McCain inciting race riots!FUCK
I don't see how McCain can overcome this.
With us ......... keep up the fight Typical .... we need you ....
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:41:12pm |
re: #267 NY Grampa
I just tried that. I got about 90 replies, all having this problem after installing SP3. However, NY Nana, based on recommendations from techies here did not install SP3. In addition, Microsoft claims that it is not a SP3 problem but gives no help in resolving the problem. Now I am at a total loss as to what is causing this error.
Grampa, what's the specific error message? I can look it up on Microsoft's premier support site.
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Steffan Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:41:15pm |
re: #100 Palandine
A couple of weeks ago, a letter was read in our archdiocese from the acting bishop. No Catholic in good standing can vote for a pro-abortion candidate, or they are a participant in abortion.
Perfectly legal letter. Doesn't mention any party. It'll give a lot of blue-collar voters heartburn, but many will do the right thing.
BTW, they just showed Bocephus' "Family Tradition" on H & C. I LOVE that redneck...
/Palandine's ring tone is "A Country Boy Can Survive"
Remember when J F'n K was banned from taking Communion after publicly supporting abortion? Note the name of the cardinal in the story.
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arethusa Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:41:29pm |
re: #304 reine.de.tout
Is the term limit going to absolutely ensure that NYC gets a better mayor the next time around?
Totally OT: Do you need any pie recipes for the cookbook?
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lifeofthemind Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:42:11pm |
Dracula: What we need is young blood... and brains...
- Abbott and Costello meet Frankensein
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jorline Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:42:11pm |
re: #293 Walter L. Newton
Hey Tex.
I was looking at your avatar. Is that a cannon, a cigar or your johnson that you don't want "them" to take? LOL :)
Careful now, Walter...Texan's take this seriously.
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notutopia Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:43:21pm |
re: #299 Beach Lover
Acorn has made a statement that they will "Terminate employees" who are found to have submitted fraudulent registration cards. When did they say they would turn them over to the FBI?
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rawmuse Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:43:28pm |
re: #343 lifeofthemind
Dracula: What we need is young blood... and brains...
- Abbott and Costello meet Frankensein
An Abby-normal one?
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Maximu§ Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:43:52pm |
I have WWE wrestling on and (2) hot blonds are on the matt pulling each others hair and rolling around....
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reine.de.tout Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:44:06pm |
re: #341 arethusa
Totally OT: Do you need any pie recipes for the cookbook?
GREAT OT, thanks.
Seems nobody agrees with me on the term limits, LOL!
YES, we could use some pie recipes!
Go here and send the recipe through the e-mail process there, or you can click my blue nic, or if that doesn't work (sometimes it doesn't) click my avatar and send it to the e-mail address in my profile.
deadline is friday, please!
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Pepper Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:44:18pm |
re: #300 Typicalwhitey
Bottom line, one person one vote.
Voter fraud does more damage to our political system than all the smears, accusations, bias, etc. Win or lose a political campaign can be hard to swallow. The dilution of a single vote can never be swallowed.
Another danger is defeatism which prevents a single vote from being cast.
If you don"t vote, you have no voice, nor are you entitled to one.
Regardless of frustration, the only vote that doesn't count is one not cast.
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IslandLibertarian Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:44:19pm |
re: #315 rawmuse
To a psychologist, everyone has some sort of problem. I have known my share. No one is well adjusted except themselves. If you are a hammer, all you see are nails.
My EX was a Psych PhD from Columbia University.
Claimed she had an IQ of 160.
'Should have seen that coming.
Talk about mental abuse..............
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Typicalwhitey Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:44:43pm |
re: #338 JacksonTn
With us ......... keep up the fight Typical .... we need you ....
My sister and I are going to phone bank on Thursday.
It actually makes my skin crawl to think that this loser might actually become potus.
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Killian Bundy Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:44:50pm |
re: #320 J.D.
Jail time? Seriously? blockquote>
/yup, felony is defined by more than 365 days in jail
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Maximu§ Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:44:54pm |
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reine.de.tout Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:45:01pm |
re: #349 reine.de.tout
re: #341 arethusa
Totally OT: Do you need any pie recipes for the cookbook?
ARETHUSA -nic is blue now.
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Basho Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:45:03pm |
re: #348 Maximu§
I have WWE wrestling on and (2) hot blonds are on the matt pulling each others hair and rolling around....
God bless America!
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Beach Lover Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:45:04pm |
ACORN creepy guy is sweating!
guess he is feeling the "heat"
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NY Grampa Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:45:22pm |
re: #339 Ward Cleaver
Error message as follows:
Strong name validation failed for 'C:WINDOWSehomeehshell.exe'. The file may have been tampered with or it was partially signed but not fully signed with the correct private key.
My post #267 tells what happened when I did a google on the first line.
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Macker Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:45:28pm |
re: #305 Ward Cleaver
The Browns shouldn't be allowed to wear throwback uniforms, because they're not the real Cleveland Browns.
I am not a true Cleveland Browns Fan, but when Art Modell frakked over the People of Cleveland when he moved the team to Baltimore. I'm glad the NFL stepped in and said NO, you leave and you leave the franchise's history and colors in Cleveland.
After all, according to El Rushbo, the NFL is the only place in America where socialism actually works.
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ursa5000 Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:45:37pm |
How do I create a link in Link Viewer?
Thanks
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Salem Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:46:19pm |
re: #337 itellu3times
It was after all in keeping with the revolution against the king of england and the thinking in the federalist papers. Washington wasn't the intellectual type, but he lived it for them. Fantastic, isn't it?
Better yet there was no tradition or infrastructure for a monarchy there in the colonies, no colony had had a king, either, nor was there a hereditary nobility as in Europe.
I'm reading "A Distant Mirror" about the 14th century. Oy.
Hmmm, interesting. I guess I never looked at it that way.
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NY Grampa Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:46:27pm |
re: #339 Ward Cleaver
Sorry Ward, I just do not read properly.
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solomonpanting Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:46:48pm |
ACORN's Lazarus Voting Drive gets stalled.
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Typicalwhitey Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:47:00pm |
re: #350 Pepper
Bottom line, one person one vote.
Voter fraud does more damage to our political system than all the smears, accusations, bias, etc. Win or lose a political campaign can be hard to swallow. The dilution of a single vote can never be swallowed.
Another danger is defeatism which prevents a single vote from being cast.
If you don"t vote, you have no voice, nor are you entitled to one.
Regardless of frustration, the only vote that doesn't count is one not cast.
Oh I will vote, just feeling a little down tonight.
I talk to my sister and tell her things and she keeps asking "why isn't this stuff on the news?"
She is going to phone bank with me thursday!
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:47:15pm |
Wow, Brooke Shields is kinda chubby.
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Beach Lover Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:47:21pm |
this guy is "excited" about being a fraud!
*spit*
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Killian Bundy Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:47:31pm |
re: #300 Typicalwhitey
FUCK
I don't see how McCain can overcome this.
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JacksonTn Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:47:32pm |
re: #354 Typicalwhitey
My sister and I are going to phone bank on Thursday.
It actually makes my skin crawl to think that this loser might actually become potus.
I am going to Ohio at the end of the month to help out there ...... I can stay with my family ........ we can do it ......STAY STRONG ....
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reine.de.tout Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:47:39pm |
re: #362 ursa5000
How do I create a link in Link Viewer?
Thanks
At the top of any thread (this one will do), click "show spinoff links".
You will get the spinoff links posted for that thread, and you will get a box (similar to this one) where you can post the url for the link, the link title, and any other info. you want.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:47:56pm |
re: #344 jorline
Careful now, Walter...Texan's take this seriously.
Yea, I know. I was a transplant Texan from 1974 to 1989, that was long enough to break in my boots.
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The Other Les Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:48:06pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:48:51pm |
re: #367 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Linky?
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JacksonTn Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:48:54pm |
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:49:01pm |
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Typicalwhitey Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:49:06pm |
re: #370 Killian Bundy
I heard that and it was great.
But he needs to talk and act like that on Wednesday!
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quickredfox Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:49:10pm |
"Bonkeys" always makes me think of a time when my son (now in college) was somewhere around 3 years old. He was playing with his older sister and she did something to set him off. Whatever it was, he was absolutely furious, so angry that he was practically sputtering. Finally he came out with the worst insult he could think of: "You -- you -- bonkhead!" It has remained a favorite insult in our family ever since.
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saberry0530 Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:49:20pm |
re: #367 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Wow, Brooke Shields is kinda chubby.
But still hot in a MILFish kinda way....
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arethusa Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:49:36pm |
re: #370 Killian Bundy
It's a great, great speech. Wonder why McCain is always so feisty on Mondays? (Last Monday was Fannie and Freddie.)
reine - the recipe is coming, I just need to type it in.
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jaunte Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:49:37pm |
I wish Greta van susteren had pointed out to Levenson that foreseeable fraud is built in to the methods ACORN used, and the institutional priorities they had set.
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OldLineTexan Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:49:50pm |
re: #344 jorline
Careful now, Walter...Texan's take this seriously.
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jorline Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:49:52pm |
re: #373 Walter L. Newton
Yea, I know. I was a transplant Texan from 1974 to 1989, that was long enough to break in my boots.
How are you tonight, Walter. Are you back at work full time yet?
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Steffan Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:49:54pm |
re: #150 lawhawk
The situation is real bad in Florida, especially considering that they should have been embarrassed into taking action to completely overhaul the system after 2000. They didn't. They went with the high tech electronic voting machines that often don't work and need to rely on paper ballots.
But they ignored the basics of culling the voter rolls of those who died, are felons, or otherwise moved out of the jurisdiction, etc.
IIRC, there were numerous instances of people being registered to vote in Florida and another state (I recall NY being cited); they voted in both states.
I take it they haven't fixed that, either.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:49:58pm |
re: #375 Slumbering Behemoth
Linky?
She was on a Volkswagen commercial during the Phillies-Dodgers game.
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The Other Les Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:50:27pm |
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The Other Les Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:51:07pm |
re: #386 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
She was on a Volkswagen commercial during the Phillies-Dodgers game.
Going over to youtube...
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Opilio Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:51:18pm |
re: #348 Maximu§
I have WWE wrestling on and (2) hot blonds are on the matt pulling each others hair and rolling around....
Who's this Matt guy, and how can I apply for his job?
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itellu3times Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:52:00pm |
re: #363 Salem
Actually, now that you mention it, even Britain was more or less past the real monarchy, since the Glorious Revolution parliament had had the real power, and the direction was clear. France still had a real king, for just another few years, as it turned out.
The United States showed the world the way, and dagnabit, I hope we continue to do so.
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OldLineTexan Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:52:03pm |
re: #373 Walter L. Newton
Yea, I know. I was a transplant Texan from 1974 to 1989, that was long enough to break in my boots.
We need ya back, Walter!
If you'll miss moonbats, there's always Austin!
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JacksonTn Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:52:08pm |
re: #386 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
She was on a Volkswagen commercial during the Phillies-Dodgers game.
Is it true ...... that if the Phillies go all the way ....... they will be playing the night of The One's 30 Minute Yawnfest? .......... or is that another team .....
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Archimedes Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:52:17pm |
re: #257 Shug
More drivel from Rochelle Riley
Dear Rochelle, I oppose Obama not for the color of his skin, but for the content of his character ... and of course his
SOCIALIST IDEAS!
I know this is wildly way out there, but I like freedom. I think it's essential to life. I think it's the American ideal.
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FrogMarch Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:52:30pm |
Why is ACORN allowed to continue? They should be shut down and everything they have touched should be confiscated and purged.
and then the perps needs to be handcuffed and read their rights.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:53:08pm |
re: #360 NY Grampa
Error message as follows:
Strong name validation failed for 'C:WINDOWSehomeehshell.exe'. The file may have been tampered with or it was partially signed but not fully signed with the correct private key.
My post #267 tells what happened when I did a google on the first line.
You need a new copy of the file. It either was corrupted due to disk errors or a virus. Not a good sign. Or maybe a download update error, but update shouldn't have installed it if it was corrupt.
Repair should fix it.
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Mich-again Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:53:32pm |
re: #265 Basho
Just curious: What would it take to place term limits on Congress? Wouldn't that require a constitutional amendment?
The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.
No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.
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Maximu§ Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:54:03pm |
re: #390 Opilio
Who's this Matt guy, and how can I apply for his job?
Doh, I spelled that wrong did'nt I?
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The Shadow Do Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:54:34pm |
Man, these are not the Cleveland Browns I knew...
/Cowboys fan here
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Killian Bundy Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:54:34pm |
USE YOUR GAG REFLEX!
/DON'T LET THEM SHOVE SOCIALISM DOWN YOUR THROAT
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WindHorse Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:54:34pm |
re: #370 Killian Bundy
THAT was the McCain we need to hear! Great speech Mr. McCain! Thank you!
I'm an American...... (say Barry... can YOU say that?)
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Bobblehead Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:54:36pm |
In 1492 Columbus sailed the ocean blue...
Anyone else remember that song from their grade school days?
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Typicalwhitey Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:54:47pm |
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Pepper Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:55:03pm |
re: #366 Typicalwhitey
A definite plus is being responsibly active in promoting your belief system.
I get down, or more frustrated by the bias exhibited in this campaign. More than that the blatant and subtle intimidation tactic used in political campaigns.
Unfortunately, we must endeavor to operate within our spheres of influence and expand the reach. An idea is a powerful weapon when properly conveyed. So volunteer and spread the word.
Fate is thrust upon us. Destiny is the path we choose.
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:55:44pm |
re: #360 NY Grampa
Error message as follows:
Strong name validation failed for 'C:WINDOWSehomeehshell.exe'. The file may have been tampered with or it was partially signed but not fully signed with the correct private key.
My post #267 tells what happened when I did a google on the first line.
Did you copy and paste that? The file name info doesn't look good (all runs together). It appears to be a problem with a digitally signed file (drivers are usually digitally signed, as a security measure).
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:55:46pm |
re: #384 jorline
How are you tonight, Walter. Are you back at work full time yet?
Yes. I was back running lights/sounds for the shows 4 days after the operation. And then this past weekend I started my full duties, which includes faciltiy maintanance stuff.
My job title is production manager/facility manager, which is a fancy way of saying I do everything from cleaning toilets to running the shows.
We only have 3 full time paid staff, other tech people are paid by project, actors get a stipend for rehearsal/show and we have a lot of volunteers.
My busy days are only Fri., Sat. and Sun., athought I have jop related things I do at home and meetings off and on.
Long answer, short answer, I'm good to go and I'm going.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:55:48pm |
re: #402 Bobblehead
In 1492 Columbus sailed the ocean blue...
Anyone else remember that song from their grade school days?
Yes, but that's all I remember.
I teach astronomy online, and like to ask if Columbus really proved the world is round. Amazing that some people take a long time to get it.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:55:54pm |
re: #393 JacksonTn
Is it true ...... that if the Phillies go all the way ....... they will be playing the night of The One's 30 Minute Yawnfest? .......... or is that another team .....
Not sure about that. But what I hear is McCain has most of his eggs ready and waiting for the last 72 hours before Nov. 4th. That's when they figure most people will actually pay attention.
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Mich-again Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:55:58pm |
re: #311 Salem
I thought the name was Quinctius Cincinnatus or something like that.
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Palandine Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:56:38pm |
re: #388 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
God, another BHO commercial.
Good. Let him spend his money here, where he has no chance of winning. Every dime he spends in MO is one he can't spend in Ohio or Wisconsin.
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WindHorse Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:56:57pm |
....and on the subject of narcissistic psychopaths..... it usually takes one to know one (sorry neocon hippie you have your work cut out for you)
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J.D. Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:57:14pm |
re: #402 Bobblehead
In 1492 Columbus sailed the ocean blue...
Anyone else remember that song from their grade school days?
What captain crossed the ocean blue
in fourteen hundred ninety two
who steered the ship and led the crew?
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Maximu§ Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:57:26pm |
Ok, heres a snack from Quebec Canada that my Mom used to make.
-take some french bread, break it up and throw it into a bowl.
-take some fresh Blueberries and throw them in.
-sprinkle in alot of sugar.
-Pour in rich creame, grab a spoon and start eating.
pretty easy huh?...it is kinda rich tho.
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:57:26pm |
re: #376 JacksonTn
Where is Brooke Shields?
In a VW Routan commercial? The Routan (rhymes with crouton) is a reworked Chrysler minivan.
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onslow Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:57:32pm |
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Typicalwhitey Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:57:33pm |
re: #404 Pepper
A definite plus is being responsibly active in promoting your belief system.
I get down, or more frustrated by the bias exhibited in this campaign. More than that the blatant and subtle intimidation tactic used in political campaigns.
Unfortunately, we must endeavor to operate within our spheres of influence and expand the reach. An idea is a powerful weapon when properly conveyed. So volunteer and spread the word.
Fate is thrust upon us. Destiny is the path we choose.
You have a very powerful way of speaking Pepper.
I haven't been on much in the last two days, a big mistake because it helps to hang with like minded people lol.
The polls in Missouri are disheartening.
I only hope the Dow continues to rise and that McCain kicks ass on Wednesday. Will make phone banking on Thursday that much more fun!
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solomonpanting Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:57:41pm |
This election is an object lesson in why no sane person who isn't a masochist would ever run for high office in the United States
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Syrah Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:57:55pm |
Now is the time my friends.
Print some up.
Spread them about.
Remind the whole country that one party, one candidate, is becoming synonymous with Voter fraud.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:57:58pm |
re: #405 ploome hineni
lol
how old is this LLL girlfriend?
And more importantly, why would ANY MAN date an LLL?
