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Jesse Jackson: 'Zionists Who Control America' On the Way Out

Politics | Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:04:25 am PDT

Amir Taheri talks with Jesse Jackson at the World Policy Forum in Evian, France: The O Jesse Knows.

Jesse says Barack Obama is going to really change things in America.

PREPARE for a new America: That’s the message that the Rev. Jesse Jackson conveyed to participants in the first World Policy Forum, held at this French lakeside resort last week.

He promised “fundamental changes” in US foreign policy - saying America must “heal wounds” it has caused to other nations, revive its alliances and apologize for the “arrogance of the Bush administration.”

The most important change would occur in the Middle East, where “decades of putting Israel’s interests first” would end.

Jackson believes that, although “Zionists who have controlled American policy for decades” remain strong, they’ll lose a great deal of their clout when Barack Obama enters the White House.

“Obama is about change,” Jackson told me in a wide-ranging conversation. “And the change that Obama promises is not limited to what we do in America itself. It is a change of the way America looks at the world and its place in it.”

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1 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:05:48am

Ugh!

2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:05:50am

We can't call him racist. After all, he's black.

/liberal thought

3 FrogMarch  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:06:57am

Obama and his leftist pals in congress will throw Israel to the wolves.
Just so we can play footsie with all the freaks who want to kill us no matter what we do.

what an idiot.

4 HBob  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:07:06am

Is the Jewish community not getting the memos on this shit or what?

5 Sizzlack  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:07:20am

Will the Zionists be on their way out before or after Jackson castrates Obama?

6 rockman  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:07:24am

Jesse probably has the inside track for ambassador to Israel in an Obama administration.

7 DeafDog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:07:33am

Reparations are next.

What will be the payoff price?

Since we just shelled $700Billion into banks, what's another $trillion?

8 maddogg  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:07:36am

Thanks Jesse and Louis. You are a gift.

9 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:08:00am

Oh, he'll change things, alright!

So .... why am I so damned worried?

10 FrogMarch  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:08:00am

Obama was raised on the old fashioned hate America Pie. With hate and blame Israel pie for desert.

11 dentate  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:08:01am

Since my monthly Zionist paycheck puts me over the $250 K limit, this is a double whammy for me.

12 Adrenalyn  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:08:16am

re: #3 FrogMarch

Obama and his leftist pals in congress will throw Israel to the wolves.
Just so we can play footsie with all the freaks who want to kill us no matter what we do.

what an idiot.


he'll throw us all to the wolves

13 alien_mind  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:08:37am

"thats not the Jesse Jackson I knew, he's just a guy from the neighborhood"

14 pegcity  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:09:01am

thanks Jesse, you just made it that much harder for Obama to court Jews.

15 Adrenalyn  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:09:12am

re: #7 DeafDog

Reparations are next.

What will be the payoff price?

Since we just shelled $700Billion into banks, what's another $trillion?

actually, he is on record saying he is for reparations
the Starbulletin in Hawaii has a story about it from a few months ago

16 jaunte  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:09:18am

"Will Obama's election close the chapter of black grievances linked to memories of slavery? The reverend takes a deep breath (enjoys a hearty secret laugh at the thought of giving up his source of power) and waits a long time before responding.

"No, that chapter won't be closed," he says. "However, Obama's victory will be a huge step in the direction we have wanted America to take for decades."

17 FrogMarch  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:10:03am

re: #12 Adrenalyn

he'll throw us all to the wolves

Except for 20 year olds with 20,000 dept. He's gonna save them.

18 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:10:16am

What's amazing is that Obama constently pushes the point that he is not so far from the mainsteam. Yet, it appears that EVERYONE around him, everyone who speaks for him (officially or not) and every pundit seems to know that Obama is simply at the least a social democrat and at the most a plain old style Marxist.

And I can't find one of his past or current associates who doesn't fit that same description.

Folks, that's really scary. This is not a joke. World Policy Forum. And for 8 years the left has been touting about Bush and the New World Order. Shit, does the left every listen to it's own "leaders?"

19 jjworleyeoe  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:10:34am

It sounds like Rev. Jackson is stumping for Secretary of State.

Can I just time warp to 1/20/2012?

20 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:10:46am

re: #4 HBob

Is the Jewish community not getting the memos on this shit or what?

It's worse than that. Yesterday evening NPR had a piece about jewish kids shlepping (sp?) to Florida to convince their grandparents to vote for Obama. (I have a jewish friend who tells me it's a genetic predisposition his folk suffer from.)

21 unclassifiable  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:11:05am

The end of Himeytown too Jesse?

You are a rascist of the worst stripe -- far worse than the race-baiter and shakedown artist we originally thought you were.

22 x-wing  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:11:06am

What's it gonna take for people to see what's at stake here?

/sheesh

23 saberry0530  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:11:31am

Nuts in a jar, Nuts in a jar! Need we say anything else.

24 pegcity  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:11:38am

re: #18 Walter L. Newton

the left want to tear down our society and replace it with a godless commie one world organisation.

25 jorline  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:11:47am

Jesse Jackson=Changed Foreign Policy that means Israel's demise.

Jackson/Dinnerjacket 08

26 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:11:49am

Himey Town!

27 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:11:57am

Thanks Jesse for providing me with the soundbites I need to counter folks like Ed Koch and other folks who are buying into the nonsense that Obama would be better for our ally Israel than McCain.

28 IgofAntioch  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:12:05am

What does Jesse mean here? That Jews in America are going to be "relocated" to some other place or something more sinister? Is this the change Obama is looking for?

29 Sizzlack  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:12:12am

re: #5 Sizzlack

Will the Zionists be on their way out before or after Jackson castrates Obama?

I can only speak for the Jews in my family, but if my grandma and aunt are any indication, guilt outweighs fact at this current juncture.

Ugh.

30 bosforus  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:12:17am

You know how recently we've begun to view the Clinton years as "the good ol' days" of Democrat rule - can you imagine that'll ever be possible after 8 years of Obama?

31 pegcity  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:12:35am

re: #20 unreconstructed rebel

jewish kids, no they are xbox kids who happen to come from a jewish background.

32 maddogg  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:12:37am

re: #18 Walter L. Newton

What's amazing is that Obama constently pushes the point that he is not so far from the mainsteam. Yet, it appears that EVERYONE around him, everyone who speaks for him (officially or not) and every pundit seems to know that Obama is simply at the least a social democrat and at the most a plain old style Marxist.

And I can't find one of his past or current associates who doesn't fit that same description.

Folks, that's really scary. This is not a joke. World Policy Forum. And for 8 years the left has been touting about Bush and the New World Order. Shit, does the left every listen to it's own "leaders?"

That is exactly the reason I stay nail spitting pissed 24-7. Especially when so called "conservative commentators" are busy talking idiotic nonsense concerning our candidates. Fucking morons.

33 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:12:42am

Jackson is correct. If Obama is elected President supporters of Israel will have less clout, and groups like CAIR will have more clout.

Everyone who supports Israel should make sure that their Jewish friends hear what Jesse Jackson is saying.

34 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:12:44am

re: #24 pegcity

the left want to tear down our society and replace it with a godless commie one world organisation.

Ah, I think that was my point. Maybe I should have added the sarcasm tag. I was pointing out the obvious.

35 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:13:36am

Who sent Obama?

"We helped him start his career," says Jackson. "And then we were always there to help him move ahead. He is the continuation of our struggle for justice not only for the black people but also for all those who have been wronged."
36 Ojoe  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:13:45am

Ah yes, change.

From Strength to weakness.

Then later a big war.

37 dentate  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:13:48am

re: #29 Sizzlack

I can only speak for the Jews in my family, but if my grandma and aunt are any indication, guilt outweighs fact at this current juncture.

Ugh.

Guilt? About what? Were they slave owners? For that matter, Obama was raised by his white grandparents, and is not the descendant of slaves or any real part of American black society. What are they feeling guilty about?

38 pegcity  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:14:15am

re: #34 Walter L. Newton

i know, its just scary that they are always conspiracies and here is Obama telling Americans that he will basically hand over sovereignty to the Useless Ninnies

39 runrabbitrun  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:14:33am

Jackson gives a valuable proof to the maxim that Israel is the global canary in the coal mine. Now if only a majority of voters could understand that proof.

40 capitalist piglet  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:15:21am

re: #15 Adrenalyn

actually, he is on record saying he is for reparations
the Starbulletin in Hawaii has a story about it from a few months ago

Here it is. I would imagine this would be an unpopular position among independents, but I guess people don't know about it. I certainly didn't.

41 mean Gene  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:15:48am

How much of this interview was real?
Of Amir Taheri a writer in The Nation wrote:

It was in 1989 that Taheri was first exposed as a journalistic felon. The book he published the year before, Nest of Spies, examined the rule and fall of the Shah of Iran. Taheri received many respectful reviews, but in The New Republic Shaul Bakhash, a reigning doyen of Persian studies, checked Taheri's footnotes. Suddenly a book review became an investigative exposé. Bakhash, a history professor at George Mason University and a former fellow at Princeton's Institute for Advanced Study, detailed case after case in which Taheri cited nonexistent sources, concocted nonexistent substance in cases where the sources existed and distorted the substance beyond recognition when it was present. Taheri "repeatedly refers us to books where the information he cites simply does not exist," Bakhash wrote. "Often the documents cannot be found in the volumes to which he attributes them.... [He] repeatedly reads things into the documents that are simply not there." In one case, noted Bakhash, Taheri cited an earlier article of his own--but offered content he himself never wrote in that article. Bakhash concluded that Nest of Spies was "the sort of book that gives contemporary history a bad name." In a response published two months later, Taheri failed to rebut Bakhash's charges.
.....
On May 30--just days after the National Post's apology for running his false story on Iranian Jews--Taheri was one of a group of "Iraq experts" brought to the White House to consult with George W. Bush on the disastrous situation there.


[Link: www.thenation.com...]

42 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:15:49am

Ok, last time I said "later", I lied.

Trying again. (Damn, this site is addictive!)

43 itellu3times  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:15:51am

I'm in a Heimetown state of mind.

44 dentate  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:16:08am

re: #40 capitalist piglet

Here it is. I would imagine this would be an unpopular position among independents, but I guess people don't know about it. I certainly didn't.

Would he like his father's Harvard tuition reimbursed as well?

45 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:16:30am
It is a change of the way America looks at the world

The view doesn't look very good from Jesse's posterior orifice.

46 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:16:31am

re: #32 maddogg

That is exactly the reason I stay nail spitting pissed 24-7. Especially when so called "conservative commentators" are busy talking idiotic nonsense concerning our candidates. Fucking morons.

As many know here, I have been pissing fire for the last few week, which was a build up from a healthy "old fashioned mad."

And McCain, today at some rally, mentioned that if he is president, he will see to it that we stop with these bailouts and government handouts et al.

Am I going crazy. He just voted for these bailout and handout a little more than a week ago.

There is not a sane person in DC. McCain is the lessor of two evil choices right now, but statements like his this morning make me wonder what the hell will he really do if he gets in. I can't trust his either. We are fucked.

47 right_wing2  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:17:31am

I fear for the future of America and for the continued survival of not only Israel, but of the entire Jewish people.

48 FrogMarch  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:17:50am

Make sure to read your credit card statements carefully.

Obama and his supporters are going to take money away from you - even without your consent.

49 Sizzlack  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:18:20am

re: #37 dentate

Guilt? About what? Were they slave owners? For that matter, Obama was raised by his white grandparents, and is not the descendant of slaves or any real part of American black society. What are they feeling guilty about?

That was sposed to be a response to #4 but I messed up. Anyway I meant Jewish guilt. My fam didn't get here till 1889 (after slavery) and has only ever lived in NY so none of us were slave owners.
Point being, they don't vote based on what may be in their best interests, they vote because they feel guilty that there are people out there who are worse off than them, and that a vote for Obama perhaps relieves them of some of that guilt. I don't feel that way but my grandma is a lil cooks anyway.

50 J.S.  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:18:21am

re: #47 right_wing2

Exactly. They're all surrender monkeys. Stinking cowards.

51 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:18:22am

re: #37 dentate

Guilt? About what? Were they slave owners? For that matter, Obama was raised by his white grandparents, and is not the descendant of slaves or any real part of American black society. What are they feeling guilty about?

Exactly. Obama has no claim on being wronged; in fact, thanks to his mother's ancestors, he's actually on the "owes" side of this ridiculous ledger.

However, I am going to go out on a fairly sturdy limb and suggest that Michelle probably does have ancestors that were slaves.

And we all know what's good for Michelle's children is good for this country. ////

52 mean Gene  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:18:32am

My point from the above is simply that we should have Jesse grilled by someone we trust before we believe these words even came out of his mouth.
People just like Taheri also put false words in the mouth of an ex-chancellor of Germany to the effect that he denied the Holocaust, remember?

53 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:19:12am

BBIAB

I'm taking my car across the street to the tire store and seeing how much they charge to remove a nail in my tire and patch it. I found a real slow leak this morning, and I cannot afford a whole new tire.

Hell, I drive 4 miles round trip to work, and rarely leave the evirons of Golden. Do all my other work at home.

Are free tires part of the bailout?

54 bosforus  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:19:18am

If anyone threatened voter fraud with prison sentences wouldn't that put ACORN out of business?

55 runrabbitrun  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:19:27am

re: #33 Ringo the Gringo

Jackson is correct. If Obama is elected President supporters of Israel will have less clout, and groups like CAIR will have more clout.

Everyone who supports Israel should make sure that their Jewish friends hear what Jesse Jackson is saying.

Yes - an email including this and the Farrakhan homage/endorsement for Obama should go viral - do your part, lizard empire!

56 sakublock  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:19:40am

The anti semites always seem to come out of the woodwork given the first opportunity. Financial crash, person they feel is on their side etc..

57 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:19:45am

re: #41 mean Gene

Sounds like the work of Michael Bellisles.

58 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:19:48am

I see Jesse "Hymietown" Jackson sure hasn't changed over the years. Fucking antisemite.

59 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:20:06am

re: #6 rockman

Jesse probably has the inside track for ambassador to Israel in an Obama administration.

Palestine; there won't be an Israel if 0bama has his way.

60 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:20:17am

re: #53 Walter L. Newton

BBIAB

I'm taking my car across the street to the tire store and seeing how much they charge to remove a nail in my tire and patch it. I found a real slow leak this morning, and I cannot afford a whole new tire.

Hell, I drive 4 miles round trip to work, and rarely leave the evirons of Golden. Do all my other work at home.

Are free tires part of the bailout?

There will be free air, but it will be hot.

61 maddogg  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:20:23am

re: #46 Walter L. Newton

As many know here, I have been pissing fire for the last few week, which was a build up from a healthy "old fashioned mad."

And McCain, today at some rally, mentioned that if he is president, he will see to it that we stop with these bailouts and government handouts et al.

Am I going crazy. He just voted for these bailout and handout a little more than a week ago.

There is not a sane person in DC. McCain is the lessor of two evil choices right now, but statements like his this morning make me wonder what the hell will he really do if he gets in. I can't trust his either. We are fucked.

Of course we are fucked. We are in the process of choosing the smaller dick, thats all.

62 right_wing2  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:20:27am

re: #54 bosforus

If anyone threatened voter fraud with prison sentences wouldn't that put ACORN out of business?

Now that's just racist talk.

//

63 mean Gene  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:20:58am

re: #57 OldLineTexan

Sounds like the work of Michael Bellisles.

Exactly.
Which is the only reason I think Jesse should get a chance to say it to someone else other than Taheri.

64 Desert Dog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:21:25am

re: #46 Walter L. Newton

McCain is getting desperate. Every time he promises this or that, he is grasping at straws. Obama is a much better liar than McCain is a panderer. Obama is much better at pandering as well.

I am just looking forward to giving up some of my hard earned money so someone else can achieve happiness as well. I guess they could work hard and get their own, but since it is my patriotic duty to fork over more and more of my blood, sweat and tear earned money, why should they work hard if someone else will do it for them?

65 pegcity  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:21:29am

re: #56 sakublock

so when the dow goes up 938 points is that the work of the jews as well?

im thinking only the bad things

66 Dave the.....  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:22:32am
Is the Jewish community not getting the memos on this shit or what?

Yep. But Obama is pro-choice and that's what is really important.

67 twincitiesgirl  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:22:37am

re: #19 jjworleyeoe

That will fit nicely with John Kerry as Secretary of Defense

68 J.S.  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:22:45am

re: #49 Sizzlack

There was an article published in the National Post today about why a certain so-called "Zionist" (i guess that's in name only) will be supporting Obama. And that's because the editorialist believes that the Nations of the World need to be placated..."...I am inclined simply to pick the guy who is best placed to restore America's political capital in the community of nations" (yeah, all righty -- as I laugh -- now there's a good Jewish concept -- placating the "community of nations!" all right, yeah, go do their bidding...be their lackeys.)

69 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:22:54am

re: #63 mean Gene

Exactly.
Which is the only reason I think Jesse should get a chance to say it to someone else other than Taheri.

I don't know. Jesse has a large crowd of handlers/staff (I know because I have been run over by his entourage personally), and I would assume (I know!) that someone would check ANYONE that was allowed an audience. They may have allowed Taheri precisely because he would put out the message in a way that could be easily denied if it backfired.

70 harrylook  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:23:12am

Remember, "angry" right-wingers, tiny Iran is hardly a threat to us. The real threat to us is those awful people who think Israel should exist.

Seriously. And I'm crazy for suggesting Hussein Obama might be the Manchurian Candidate? Yeah, I think he's a Muslim. I think he's a closet terrorist-sympathizer, if not a terrorist outright. I think he's a racist, anti-American pig. I think he's dangerous. Stick that in your bongs and smoke it, you smelly obamatons!

71 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:23:43am

re: #53 Walter L. Newton

BBIAB

I'm taking my car across the street to the tire store
and seeing how much they charge to remove a nail in my tire and patch
it. I found a real slow leak this morning, and I cannot afford a whole
new tire.

Hell, I drive 4 miles round trip to work, and rarely leave the evirons of Golden. Do all my other work at home.

Are free tires part of the bailout?


No, but Obama will ensure that they are properly inflated, thus guaranteeing our energy independence!

72 mean Gene  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:23:43am

The Jewish people in my family LOVE children and have big families....four or more children.
What is this thing with Jewish voters and abortion?

73 victor_yugo  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:23:52am
Obama is about change

Yep, the especially the change in your pocket and your bank account.

74 AuntAcid  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:23:53am

...and still Jews line up to vote for Obama...

75 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:23:55am

re: #66 Dave the.....

Yep. But Obama is pro-choice and that's what is really important.

They call it pro-choice, but they really put down anyone who chooses to have a chile.

76 SeafoodGumbo  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:25:12am

Sarah Palin to be on Rush in six minutes. Listen here.

77 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:25:26am

re: #75 Kosh's Shadow

They call it pro-choice, but they really put down anyone who chooses to have a chile.

Now they're against spicy food! This is an outrage! I tell you, that Sen. Obama just lost MY vote!

/////

78 mean Gene  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:25:26am

re: #75 Kosh's Shadow

They call it pro-choice, but they really put down anyone who chooses to have a chile.

I know you didn't mean that!
I love chilies!

79 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:25:33am

re: #53 Walter L. Newton

BBIAB

I'm taking my car across the street to the tire store and seeing how much they charge to remove a nail in my tire and patch it. I found a real slow leak this morning, and I cannot afford a whole new tire.

Hell, I drive 4 miles round trip to work, and rarely leave the evirons of Golden. Do all my other work at home.

Are free tires part of the bailout?

I wish, after I got all that asphalt patch on them here at work due to a crappy crack-seal contractor.

/BTW, it's usually less than $30 for the tire patching, sometimes as little as $15.

80 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:25:45am

re: #76 SeafoodGumbo

Sarah Palin to be on Rush in six minutes. Listen here.

I hope she calls him "sweetie".

81 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:26:07am

re: #75 Kosh's Shadow

They call it pro-choice, but they really put down anyone who chooses to have a chile.

Are they against eating Mexican food now?

82 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:26:16am

re: #64 Desert Dog

McCain is getting desperate. Every time he promises this or that, he is grasping at straws. Obama is a much better liar than McCain is a panderer. Obama is much better at pandering as well.

I am just looking forward to giving up some of my hard earned money so someone else can achieve happiness as well. I guess they could work hard and get their own, but since it is my patriotic duty to fork over more and more of my blood, sweat and tear earned money, why should they work hard if someone else will do it for them?

Well, if 0bama's elected, I will have less hard-earned money, and it will be harder to earn.

This week, my job is looking for a new one; my last employer had layoffs last week; revenues down; board doesn't want to spend more money (even though the management thinks they were already understaffed); I guess the owners didn't have enough to put into it.

83 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:26:20am

re: #75 Kosh's Shadow

They call it pro-choice, but they really put down anyone who chooses to have a chile.

They don't like peppers? WTF? Veggieists!

84 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:26:43am

re: #65 pegcity

so when the dow goes up 938 points is that the work of the jews as well?

im thinking only the bad things

85 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:26:48am

re: #77 OldLineTexan

Now they're against spicy food! This is an outrage! I tell you, that Sen. Obama just lost MY vote!

/////

PIMF! Either that, or I was being racist, but I was not proofreading, really.

86 realwest  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:27:02am

Boy, am I glad to hear that Zionists are on the way.........hey, wait a minute, I'm a Zionist!
Has he seen my x-rays or something?! Cause I sure don't plan on going anywhere cause of Obama.

87 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:27:16am

re: #85 Kosh's Shadow

Ix-nay on the acist-ray, Osh-kay!

/

88 SeafoodGumbo  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:28:03am

re: #80 OldLineTexan

I hope she calls him "sweetie".

Nah. He might have a heart attack. Our side needs him to live a long time.

89 WindHorse  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:29:05am

Reverend, my ass.

90 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:29:07am

I don't need Jackson, the old anti-Semite, to tell me 0bama would be bad for Israel; I can hear it from the 0 himself. But too many Jews hear what they want to hear and disregard the rest.
I knew 0bama was bad back when he said "no one suffers like the Palestinians", something that was barely mentioned when he said it - the articles actually were more on his spin, than on the original statement.

91 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:29:28am

re: #87 OldLineTexan

Ix-nay on the acist-ray, Osh-kay!

/

Sometimes a typo is just a typo.

92 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:30:03am

OT: IRT this bailout of the finacial markets - All the government is doing is f%#@ing is in the ass but giving us the courtesy of a reach around. It kind of feels good but you are still getting royally f%#@ed!

93 bosforus  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:30:12am

sarah palin coming up on Rush

94 erisldysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:30:24am

It's very clear the real conspiracy is of the left.

The money trading hand between leftist politicians, media leaders and government officials is staggering.

Let's face it. The Darth Sidious cabal is on the rise, and there are no Jedi to oppose them.

My only gratification is the realization that these people are fucking themselves, and I, for one, will have a distinct sense of Shadenfreude when, in a few years' time, these people find out what it's like living in a shithole third world country.

95 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:30:24am

re: #60 OldLineTexan

There will be free air, but it will be hot.

You can bet on that!

re: #61 maddogg

Of course we are fucked. We are in the process of choosing the smaller dick, thats all.

I thought size didn't matter?

Ok, they will have the tire patched in 1 hour. Eleven dollars. Knowing tire stores, when I get back they will have put 400 dollars worth of new tires on there telling me I would have died if I didn't have them replaced.

96 Strike Hornet  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:30:31am

re: #14 pegcity

thanks Jesse, you just made it that much harder for Obama to court Jews.

I only wish that were true...but alas, it is not.

97 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:30:33am

re: #93 bosforus

Can't wait, I hope she lays into Jesse.

98 jorline  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:30:49am

Why is it whenever Jesse opens his mouth it smells like he's passing gas?

99 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:30:53am
100 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:30:53am

re: #89 WindHorse

Reverend, my ass.

Don't they call Wright a reverend to?

101 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:31:07am
“Zionists who have controlled American policy for decades”

I wonder if Jesse knows the lyrics to the "Horst Wessel Song".

102 realwest  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:31:32am

re: #74 AuntAcid You know, I've never, ever understood why Jewish Americans keep voting Democratic.
Do you understand that? (btw, I've been married twice to Jewish women each time and they ALWAYS voted Dem no matter who was running.).

103 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:31:38am
104 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:31:42am

re: #98 jorline

Why is it whenever Jesse opens his mouth it smells like he's passing gas?

You just thought it was his mouth.

105 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:31:49am

re: #91 Kosh's Shadow

Exactly my point! But I did enjoy it... ;)

106 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:31:51am

re: #101 Occasional Reader

I wonder if Jesse knows the lyrics to the "Horst Wessel Song".

I wonder if he knows the Nazis hated blacks, too.

107 maddogg  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:32:09am

re: #92 Jetpilot1101

Once Zero is infesting the White House, "change we can believe in" will morph into "bend over and spread 'em".

108 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:32:11am

re: #101 Occasional Reader

I wonder if Jesse knows the lyrics to the "Horst Wessel Song".

OT: The Horst Wessel is now a US Coast Guard sailing ship known as the Eagle.

109 Outrider  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:32:15am
“Obama is about change,” Jackson told me in a wide-ranging conversation. “And the change that Obama promises is not limited to what we do in America itself. It is a change of the way America looks at the world and its place in it.”


Great. We will be Europe (Redux).

/

110 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:32:44am

re: #95 Walter L. Newton

I thought size didn't matter?

Ok, they will have the tire patched in 1 hour. Eleven dollars. Knowing tire stores, when I get back they will have put 400 dollars worth of new tires on there telling me I would have died if I didn't have them replaced.

Along with new tie rod ends. This is your lucky day!

111 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:32:51am
Jesse says Barack Obama is going to really change things in America.

In the old days the Left would use words like Socialism and revolution. Today they're more sly about it. Instead of Socialism they say "social justice" and instead of revolution they say "change".

New, more benign words, but the meanings and the ideas behind them are the same as ever.

112 realwest  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:33:04am

re: #101 Occasional Reader
By heart. In German.
But I reckon we're supposed to forget his "Hymietown" remark, huh?

113 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:33:21am

re: #107 maddogg

...and your response will only be "how wide sir?"

114 NoSubmission  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:33:38am

re: #33 Ringo the Gringo

Jackson is correct. If Obama is elected President supporters of Israel will have less clout, and groups like CAIR will have more clout.

Everyone who supports Israel should make sure that their Jewish friends hear what Jesse Jackson is saying.


That is, IF you can even understand what that mumbling anti-Semite is saying.

115 jorline  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:33:38am

re: #99 ploome hineni

even worse, this by Staney Kurtz

clinically insane

Agree, ploome. I feel like I need a shower after reading that.

116 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:33:39am

re: #98 jorline

Why is it whenever Jesse opens his mouth it smells like he's passing gas?

Because he's usually talkin' shit.

117 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:33:52am

So what office will Jesse hold in the Obama administration?

118 maddogg  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:34:08am

re: #113 Jetpilot1101

...and your response will only be "how wide sir?"

Not likely.

119 Vergeltung  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:34:21am

re: #66 Dave the.....

Yep. But Obama is pro-choice and that's what is really important.

yeah, but "right to choose" is going to have an infinately different, and more sinister, meaning.....

120 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:34:24am

re: #117 Ford_Prefect

Minister of Bullshit!

121 Lynn B.  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:34:27am

I'm SURE Barry will be asked to comment on this in the debate tomorrow night.

Aren't you?

/right

122 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:34:38am

And Sarah is on!

123 Outrider  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:34:55am

re: #117 Ford_Prefect

So what office will Jesse hold in the Obama administration?

Ambassador to Israel?

124 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:35:01am

re: #118 maddogg

Not likely.

Well then it's off to the reeducation camps with you my friend otherwise known as the public school system.

125 jorline  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:35:19am

re: #104 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You just thought it was his mouth.

It's that orifice you were talking about earlier...lol

126 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:35:25am
127 Timbre  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:35:34am
Jackson believes that, although “Zionists who have controlled American policy for decades” remain strong, they’ll lose a great deal of their clout when Barack Obama enters the White House.

Thus, Jackson continues to perpetuate his life-long, vile, hatred of Jews. To Jackson, the Jews of Israel should be left alone--without a dollar of aid--so the cabal of Arabs-Persians-Muslims-Russians can continue their centuries-old genocide of Jews. Jesse Jackson is a despicable thug.

128 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:35:37am
“Obama is about change,” Jackson told me in a wide-ranging conversation. “And the change that Obama promises is not limited to what we do in America itself. It is a change of the way America looks at the world and its place in it.”

Specifically, we're supposed to go from pride, to cringing shame.

Change!


(btw, is the quote key acting flukey for anyone else? it kind of twitches around for me)

129 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:35:48am

re: #117 Ford_Prefect

So what office will Jesse hold in the Obama administration?

*grin*
I'd be willing to let Marion Berry pick it.
/Jesse ain't ever run nuthin' but his mouth ... or words to that effect

130 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:35:53am
131 Beach Lover  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:36:25am

SArah on Rush right now

132 maddogg  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:36:41am

re: #124 Jetpilot1101

Well then it's off to the reeducation camps with you my friend otherwise known as the public school system.

I think not. I doubt Zero or his ilk could teach me anything.

133 Outrider  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:36:58am

re: #129 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*grin*
I'd be willing to let Marion Berry pick it.
/Jesse ain't ever run nuthin' but his mouth ... or words to that effect

Marion Barry? Isn't he going to be the new czar of DEA?

134 Adrenalyn  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:37:15am

re: #117 Ford_Prefect

So what office will Jesse hold in the Obama administration?

ohhh
ohhh
I've got that answer teacher !

Secretary of the Anterior
or
Secretary of the Posterior

135 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:37:23am
136 yma o hyd  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:37:25am

re: #99 ploome hineni

Not just clinically insane - criminal!
Making their own children unfit for life in the 21st century.

I'll refrain from saying any more in this subject - it would transgress all of the House Rules here!

137 stuiec  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:37:27am

I bet Obama will appoint Gen. Jack D. Ripper to be Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

138 zato  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:37:37am

Now, will that be before or after Jesse follows up on his desire to cut Barry's ----s off? And note to the Liberal Media- this piece of news hurts Barry so make sure its not widely reported.

139 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:38:17am

re: #110 redstateredneck

Along with new tie rod ends. This is your lucky day!

The car is 10 years old, only 74 thousand on it, Still gets about 37 miles per gallon. Chevy Geo Prizm. 1998, Toyota engine.

Er, what's a tie rod and what does a worn one do (or not do).

140 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:38:44am

re: #129 pre-Boomer Marine brat


I'd be willing to let Marion Berry pick it.

I can't wait until he's the VP nominee when Al Franken runs for president.

Franken/Berry.

(actually it's Barry, but, you know, poetic license)

141 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:39:03am

re: #132 maddogg

I think not. I doubt Zero or his ilk could teach me anything.

They can't but they'll sure try. Look at all the otherwise intelligent folks have bought into the obamania. My sister in law has gone completly moonbat on me and she isn't stupid.

142 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:39:15am

re: #133 Outrider

Marion Barry? Isn't he going to be the new czar of DEA?

"Goddamn b*tch set me up!"

"Outside of the killings, DC has one of the lowest crime rates in the country."

"There is a sort of an unwritten code in Washington, among the underworld and the hustlers and these other guys that I am their friend."

Marion Barry. What a mayor.

143 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:39:26am

It's not just the quote button, it's ALL the buttons... they kind of twitch and refuse the first time I click on them. Anyone else experiencing this?

Off to lunch.

144 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:39:30am

re: #125 jorline

It's that orifice you were talking about earlier...lol

I'd like to analyze Jesse some more, but it's childish and I'm getting bored.

145 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:39:35am

Go Sarah! Go Sarah! Go Sarah!

146 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:39:39am

re: #114 NoSubmission

That is, IF you can even understand what that mumbling anti-Semite is saying.

I saw your Muslim Day report last night, good work!

The picture of the black burka-clad women with the Obama sign is a classic!

147 jorline  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:40:06am

re: #139 Walter L. Newton

The car is 10 years old, only 74 thousand on it, Still gets about 37 miles per gallon. Chevy Geo Prizm. 1998, Toyota engine.

Er, what's a tie rod and what does a worn one do (or not do).

LOL...why would your rod get tied?

148 ErislDysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:40:09am
149 realwest  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:40:11am

re: #106 Kosh's Shadow
I doubt that he knows the Nazi's hated Blacks too. Seriously I doubt it.
When my most recent former wife and I toured the National Holocaust Museum for the first time, we were behind a group of schoolkids - who's teachers were ALWAYS out on a smoke break - and typical teenagers they were just playing grab ass and kidding around -loudly. SO I said, VERY LOUDLY - in front of photos of groups of surviors at the death camps "Yup, that's what the Nazi's did to Black people too!" Ya coulda hear a pin drop. One of the kids came over and asked me what I'd said so I repeated it; several more came over and asked me about it. Thereafter they toured very quietly and very slowly.
The teachers had returned from a smoke break and gave me dirty looks but I didn't give a damn. At least ONE high school class of kids from D.C. had learned something that day and I hope they spread the word to their other schoolmates as well.

150 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:40:24am

re: #108 Jetpilot1101

OT: The Horst Wessel is now a US Coast Guard sailing ship known as the Eagle.

Better treatment than we gave the Prinz Eugen.

151 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:40:26am

"Don't let me down, Hymie Town..."

152 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:40:26am

YES! Sarah talking about Obama and ACORN!

153 zombie  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:40:27am

re: #7 DeafDog

Reparations are next.

What will be the payoff price?

Since we just shelled $700Billion into banks, what's another $trillion?

re: #15 Adrenalyn

actually, he is on record saying he is for reparations
the Starbulletin in Hawaii has a story about it from a few months ago


That's pretty ironic, since Barack Obama himself would have to PAY reparations. On his mother's side, he is descended from slave-OWNERS, not slaves; and his father's side, since they stayed in Africa, were never slaves. The end result is that Obama is descended from slave-owners, not slaves, and hence will have to pay reparations to the descendants of Irish indentured servants who worked essentially as slaves in America for decades after first arriving.

154 victor_yugo  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:40:41am

But in fairness, I must point out that Jesse Jackson is the one who made me a conservative.

1988 Pres campaign, he made a whistle stop at my college. He was nothing but what New Englanders call "an aginner" (whatever it is, he's aginn' it), and the crowd lapped it up. A hater. Everything's wrong. White guilt.

And that was when my eyes were opened to the emptiness of modern PC liberalism.

So thank you, Mr. Jackson (not "Reverend," as I will not revere you). You showed me the truth.

155 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:40:43am

re: #151 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

"Don't let me down, Hymie Town..."

Sounds like the beginning of a popular song.

156 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:40:44am

re: #143 Occasional Reader

It's not just the quote button, it's ALL the buttons... they kind of twitch and refuse the first time I click on them. Anyone else experiencing this?

Off to lunch.

I have to click on the "post comment" button twice all the time. This just started recently. IE7,XP SP2 ?

157 cblesz  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:40:53am

rumor has it Palin is on Ruish...anyone got color?

158 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:40:55am

re: #133 Outrider

Marion Barry? Isn't he going to be the new czar of DEA?

What a simply marvelous iDEA !
(-:

159 Mad Mullah  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:41:02am

Any Jewish person voting for Obama likely suffers from a mental disease in my opinion. The ironic part is that some of the worst enemies that Jews have is other Jews, the liberal kind, and there's plenty of those.

160 maddogg  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:41:11am

re: #141 Jetpilot1101

They can't but they'll sure try. Look at all the otherwise intelligent folks have bought into the obamania. My sister in law has gone completly moonbat on me and she isn't stupid.

Maybe not, but she does believe in fairy tails.

161 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:41:31am

re: #157 cblesz

rumor has it Palin is on Ruish...anyone got color?

She is. Talking about Obama and ACORN.

162 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:41:34am

re: #101 Occasional Reader

I wonder if Jesse knows the lyrics to the "Horst Wessel Song".

The only national anthem ever written to honor a pimp.

163 jorline  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:41:37am

re: #144 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'd like to analyze Jesse some more, butt it's childish and I'm getting bored.

change

164 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:41:44am

re: #138 zato

Now, will that be before or after Jesse follows up on his desire to cut Barry's ----s off? And note to the Liberal Media- this piece of news hurts Barry so make sure its not widely reported.

What He Really Said
not work safe

165 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:41:56am

re: #153 zombie

and hence will have to pay reparations to the descendants of Irish indentured servants

WOO-HOO!

Pay up, Barry.

166 NoSubmission  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:42:06am

re: #146 Ringo the Gringo

I saw your Muslim Day report last night, good work!

The picture of the black burka-clad women with the Obama sign is a classic!


Thanks, Ringo! That was my favorite too. The 'Vote Obama' sign was safety pinned to the back of her head! LMAO!

167 SFGoth  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:42:07am

Those Jews who care about Israel and are voting Obama anyway are in for a rude awakening. It won't be long after 1/20/09 before Israel gets hit from Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, and Syria. The U.S. won't do a thing, because the C-in-C will order us not to. Maybe Israel launches a few nukes, but I have a suspicion that it's nuke capability is vastly overstated. So it takes out part of Damascus; that's bad? Even for O?

168 cblesz  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:42:10am

re: #161 Honorary Yooper

She is. Talking about Obama and ACORN.


God, I hope McCain corners him tomorrow night...

169 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:42:12am

re: #155 Honorary Yooper

Sounds like the beginning of a popular song.

I can't find a clip of that classic SNL moment.

170 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:42:25am

re: #153 zombie

Exactly as I posted above, but consider that he could just pay Michelle.

171 Daisy  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:42:26am

re: #7 DeafDog

Reparations are next.

What will be the payoff price?

Since we just shelled $700Billion into banks, what's another $trillion?

The $700 billion is reparation $$$. More accurately, it's reparations on top of reparations. Just for starters See: Freddie Mac, Clinton and Raines.

172 ErislDysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:42:40am

Jesse Jackson must not have a mistress at present. Makes him irritable.

173 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:42:55am

re: #157 cblesz

rumor has it Palin is on Ruish...anyone got color?

That would be racist.

//

174 Joan Not of Arc  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:42:57am

Unless someone uses the word "zionist" when they are quoting someone, there should be no reason why he is given the time of day. None.
My point is: shut up, Jackson.

175 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:43:06am

re: #157 cblesz

rumor has it Palin is on Ruish...anyone got color?

RACIST!
/

176 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:43:17am

re: #160 maddogg

Maybe not, but she does believe in fairy tails.

Good point. Thankfully she lives in Maryland where her vote doesn't count and I vote in Florida where mine does.

177 Oldasdirt  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:43:23am

Democrat's are tearing this country down,They cheat,lie and have the backing of the MSM.
All i see from Conservatives is "Oh we cant act like them"( PC crap.)
I learned along time ago if you want to fight a thing in the gutter,YOU have to get right down in the gutter with it.And after the fight is won,know you are man or woman enough to step back out of the gutter.
Otherwise you will loose this election.
I hear a person raise his or her voice and then I here people say to that person"Oh do not do that,it makes the rest of use look bad." That PC crap has better stop if you want your country back from the hands of the crazy a** democrat's.
The MSM is not going to cover how politically correct the Conservatives are.
You best get mad,get ONE voice,and make noise,even if it is not PC.

178 ErislDysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:43:24am

re: #167 SFGoth

Those Jews who care about Israel and are voting Obama anyway are in for a rude awakening. It won't be long after 1/20/09 before Israel gets hit from Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, and Syria. The U.S. won't do a thing, because the C-in-C will order us not to. Maybe Israel launches a few nukes, but I have a suspicion that it's nuke capability is vastly overstated. So it takes out part of Damascus; that's bad? Even for O?

And then, it's time for impeachment.

179 cblesz  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:43:35am

re: #173 OldLineTexan

That would be racist.

//


Niiiiice...good one...I gotta be more careful typing...

180 yma o hyd  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:43:35am

re: #141 Jetpilot1101

They can't but they'll sure try. Look at all the otherwise intelligent folks have bought into the obamania. My sister in law has gone completly moonbat on me and she isn't stupid.

Yep - thats something I've come across as well: otherwise highly intelligent, good people, totally unhinged about B0, incapable of even taking in coutner arguments.

Its not worth it trying to debate with them, its like an illness, they really can't help themselves.
Gotta wait until 11/05 and then pick up the pieces ...

181 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:43:39am

re: #171 Daisy

The $700 billion is reparation $$$.

Er... no, it really isn't.

182 Vergeltung  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:43:44am

re: #107 maddogg

Once Zero is infesting the White House, "change we can believe in" will morph into "bend over and spread 'em".

I don't even want to think about the prospective "re-decorating" that will occur in the White House.

the horror......

183 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:43:58am

re: #132 maddogg

I think not. I doubt Zero or his ilk could teach me anything.

You will learn to love American Socialism! The One is watching!
Take down that poster of Ronald Reagan NOW, and put up that one of Obama with the heroic pose, or off to the showers!
/getting ready for the re-education camps

184 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:44:00am

re: #139 Walter L. Newton

The car is 10 years old, only 74 thousand on it, Still gets about 37 miles per gallon. Chevy Geo Prizm. 1998, Toyota engine.

Er, what's a tie rod and what does a worn one do (or not do).

What is a tie rod?

185 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:44:08am

re: #153 zombie


That's pretty ironic, since Barack Obama himself would have to PAY reparations.

He can just take the money out of his right pocket and put it into his left pocket.

186 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:44:19am

re: #165 Occasional Reader

WOO-HOO!

Pay up, Barry.

My Irish ancestors were late to the party (1763) and actually showed up with cash for land, so I am not eligible.

187 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:44:38am

re: #106 Kosh's Shadow

I wonder if he knows the Nazis hated blacks, too.

No problems with Arabs, though...

188 SFGoth  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:44:42am

re: #178 ErislDysnomia

And then, it's time for impeachment.

What? How are you going to impeach Obama for not defending Israel? That's not an impeachable act. C'mon.

189 Lively  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:44:47am

re: #133 Outrider

Marion Barry? Isn't he going to be the new czar of DEA?

lol. And DC continues to elect him.

190 ErislDysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:44:48am

re: #177 Oldasdirt

That PC crap has better stop if you want your country back from the hands of the crazy a** democrat's.

Let's go back to first principles.

Leftists = intractable, unapolegetic bullies.

You do not deal with such bullies using kindness.

PERIOD.

191 realwest  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:44:55am

re: #141 Jetpilot1101
Uh, sorry I don't know your sister but " My sister in law has gone completly moonbat on me and she isn't stupid." is sorta contradictory, you know?

192 Elcid  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:44:57am

Oh good. Let's see...how does The People's Republic of North America sound?

Does anyone know, if Obama has uniforms picked out for us yet, or is Michelle still shopping?

Will Jews have yellow stars on their uniforms?

193 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:45:01am

re: #157 cblesz

rumor has it Palin is on Ruish...anyone got color?

She and Rush are both white

/ducks and runs

194 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:45:14am

re: #137 stuiec

I bet Obama will appoint Gen. Jack D. Ripper to be Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

No way. Ripper would order wing operation plan R on Iran; 0bama wants someone who would order it on Israel. McPeak(?) maybe?

195 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:45:17am

re: #153 zombie

None of his father's ancestors ever owned slaves?
I'd slap down a 20 onto the bar in a kneejerk reaction to that.

196 bellamags  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:45:22am

I have seen many more bumper stickers for Obama than I did for Kerry, and I'm in FL. scary.

197 amphibian  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:45:44am

Whassa matter? Jesse doesn't want to cut O's nuts off any more? Or has he learned that Michelle already has them on her keychain?

Terrorists, black racists, antisemites, origins in the Chicago machine, coming out of every hole, and still the MFer is in the lead. Looks like an awful lot of the country is voting for a deep voice and metrosexually skinny body without listening to what is being said or noticing the Soviet-style personality cult.

Pity I'm in Minneapolis and not Chicago, else I would have given this story more than the one up-ding. Is this really going to be our next President?

198 ErislDysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:46:18am

re: #188 SFGoth

What? How are you going to impeach Obama for not defending Israel? That's not an impeachable act. C'mon.

A disastrous, incompetent foreign policy that leads to war in an entire part of the world sure is.

199 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:46:20am

re: #191 realwest

Uh, sorry I don't know your sister but " My sister in law has gone completly moonbat on me and she isn't stupid." is sorta contradictory, you know?

Good point. LOL

200 Perry  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:46:25am

re: #163 jorline

"A child can go only so far in life without potty training. It is not mere coincidence that six of the last seven presidents were potty trained, not to mention nearly half of the nation's state legislators."
Dave Barry

201 Vergeltung  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:46:25am

re: #135 ploome hineni

anyone still familliar with the book, animal farm?
see if you can spot the pattern

I bought a new copy of it in 2004, as well as Brave New World (which is even more apropos of our predicament in 2008).

202 Daisy  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:46:27am

re: #99 ploome hineni

What's expected of the boys when they turn 12 in their AfroCentric school? Will it be Junior High or an hallucinogenic Ibogaine initiation ritual? Or perhaps ritual scarring for the boys and clitoridectomies for the girls?

203 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:46:36am

re: #195 pre-Boomer Marine brat

None of his father's ancestors ever owned captured & sold slaves?

More likely scenario.

204 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:46:39am

re: #186 OldLineTexan

My Irish ancestors were late to the party (1763) and actually showed up with cash for land, so I am not eligible.

Oh, mine came even later, and promptly became firefighters. Doesn't matter! You're obviously not hip to the whole reparations shakedown. You don't have to actually PROVE anything, dummy! Just cite your race (or in this case, ethnicity), and KA-CHING!

205 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:46:50am

re: #184 redstateredneck

What is a tie rod?

Thanks (I think?).

206 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:47:02am

Gotta love Sarah!

PALIN/McCAIN

207 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:47:08am

The Nazis were also for "Change!", and boy did they deliver...

208 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:47:17am

And now I'm off to gnaw on a potato for lunch.

209 JohnAdams  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:47:21am

re: #183 Kosh's Shadow

I love that one I keep seeing around town of The One in the Che Guevera pose...no text needed. Just...gosh...hope!....*sniff*

210 WindHorse  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:47:24am

...how can anyone take the "Reverend" Jackson seriously anymore? He is a back stabbing, two timing phony - and EVERYONE KNOWS IT!

211 Perry  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:47:25am

"Politicians, like diapers, should be changed often, and for the same reason."
Twain

212 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:47:25am

re: #201 Vergeltung

I bought a new copy of it in 2004, as well as Brave New World (which is even more apropos of our predicament in 2008).

Ditto Atlas Shrugged.

213 Lynn B.  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:47:35am

re: #167 SFGoth

Those Jews who care about Israel and are voting Obama anyway are in for a rude awakening. It won't be long after 1/20/09 before Israel gets hit from Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, and Syria. The U.S. won't do a thing, because the C-in-C will order us not to. Maybe Israel launches a few nukes, but I have a suspicion that it's nuke capability is vastly overstated. So it takes out part of Damascus; that's bad? Even for O?

Vastly overstated? I really wouldn't count on that.

214 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:47:53am

re: #150 Son of the Black Dog

Better treatment than we gave the Prinz Eugen.

Yes, she did pay atoll for her wartime service.

/sorry about that ... barfing will probably relieve the pain

215 ErislDysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:47:59am

re: #135 ploome hineni

anyone still familliar with the book, animal farm? see if you can spot the pattern

I think "Atlas Shrugs" is the template we're going to need to follow.

216 NoSubmission  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:48:00am

I still can't get over ACORN registering Mickey Mouse to vote in FL.

217 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:48:19am

re: #210 WindHorse

...how can anyone take the "Reverend" Jackson seriously anymore? He is a back stabbing, two timing phony - and EVERYONE KNOWS IT!

You mean he is a politician? /

218 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:48:19am

re: #205 Walter L. Newton

Thanks (I think?).

No tie rod, no steering. Bad tie rod, bad alignment.

219 SFGoth  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:48:37am

re: #198 ErislDysnomia

A disastrous, incompetent foreign policy that leads to war in an entire part of the world sure is.

Like Bush? Disastrous foreign policy is not impeachable unless it constitutes the commission of a crime, and not "crime" in some sort of philosophical sense. Please. Let's not moonbat this thing any further.

220 runrabbitrun  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:48:49am

re: #121 Lynn B.

I'm SURE Barry will be asked to comment on this in the debate tomorrow night.

Aren't you?

/right

That's one of my concerns regarding this final debate. The moderators have kept themselves reined in so far, but now that it's crunch time, I wonder if they will pull out every trick in their arsenal to keep McCain silenced if he decides to lay out the truths about the Obamessiah.

If Mac is prepared for that tactic, he'll overcome it by being ready to play The Democrat Defense of ignoring the questions, and changing the arguments. If Mac is NOT prepared for a war of wills to overcome the possibility, he may just feel stymied and forced to go silent.

221 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:48:56am

re: #208 Occasional Reader

And now I'm off to gnaw on a potato for lunch.

Watch ye don't get the blight, lad.

222 maddogg  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:49:17am

re: #183 Kosh's Shadow

You will learn to love American Socialism! The One is watching!
Take down that poster of Ronald Reagan NOW, and put up that one of Obama with the heroic pose, or off to the showers!
/getting ready for the re-education camps

You prepare for re-education by stocking up on 7.62X39. There might be a test...

223 realwest  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:49:24am

re: #170 OldLineTexan
What makes you think he isn't paying Michelle NOW?
Keep her mouth shut and stay off the campaign trail.

224 Daisy  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:49:26am

re: #181 Occasional Reader

Insofar as banks were forced by Democrat forces to make dumbass loans to people who could not afford houses, it is.

225 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:49:30am

re: #201 Vergeltung

I bought a new copy of it in 2004, as well as Brave New World (which is even more apropos of our predicament in 2008).

Wait until we find out that 0bama is going to solve unemployment by making half the population watch the other half, sort of 1984-ish. Viewscreens of The One instead of Big Brother.

226 ErislDysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:49:32am

Let's all call Acorn (tape recorder on), saying we are unregistered, never voted, spent time in jail for a felony, can they help us?

227 Florida Lady  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:49:46am

re: #196 bellamags

I have seen many more bumper stickers for Obama than I did for Kerry, and I'm in FL. scary.

Wher in Florida do you live? THAT makes a big difference.

228 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:49:57am

re: #218 OldLineTexan

No tie rod, no steering. Bad tie rod, bad alignment.

That's sums it up better. Thanks.

229 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:50:04am

re: #208 Occasional Reader

And now I'm off to gnaw on a potato for lunch.

In my day, we got one potato a week & we were happy for it!

230 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:50:04am

re: #216 NoSubmission

I still can't get over ACORN registering Mickey Mouse to vote in FL.

Why not. He is probably the largest employer in the state. /

231 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:50:14am

re: #223 realwest

What makes you think he isn't paying Michelle NOW?
Keep her mouth shut and stay off the campaign trail.

Oh, he PAYS alright, but he's married, so he's paying anyway.

/as do I

232 jorline  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:50:25am

re: #200 Perry

"A child can go only so far in life without potty training. It is not mere coincidence that six of the last seven presidents were potty trained, not to mention nearly half of the nation's state legislators."
Dave Barry

Is that why Obama's rear looked Pamper puffy during the last debate?

233 ErislDysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:50:28am

re: #225 Kosh's Shadow

Wait until we find out that 0bama is going to solve unemployment by making half the population watch the other half, sort of 1984-ish. Viewscreens of The One instead of Big Brother.

Freedom of speech will be severely curtailed under Obama.

234 nikis-knight  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:50:37am

re: #15 Adrenalyn

actually, he is on record saying he is for reparations
the Starbulletin in Hawaii has a story about it from a few months ago

Maybe a permanent ban on forclosures will be sold as due reparations?
Crap, I hope I didn't give ACORN any ideas there.

235 yma o hyd  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:50:39am

re: #208 Occasional Reader

And now I'm off to gnaw on a potato for lunch.

Blimey - gnaw on a potato?
Dontcha cook them?

236 Mark1957  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:50:50am

#183,

You will learn to love American Socialism! The One is watching!
Take down that poster of Ronald Reagan NOW, and put up that one of Obama with the heroic pose, or off to the showers!
/getting ready for the re-education camps

Obamauron will be watching YOU!

[Link: www.focusmag.gr...]

However, take heart in case Obamauron wins: we all know how "The Lord of the Rings" ends, don't we?

237 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:51:01am

re: #163 jorline

change

butt jesse gettin' bored would be better

/grab frying pan, smack myself on the head!

238 NoSubmission  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:51:09am

re: #230 Ford_Prefect

Why not. He is probably the largest employer in the state. /


What next? Nahoul the Hamas Bee or Farfour the ill-fated Terror Mouse from Gaza?

239 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:51:09am
240 ErislDysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:51:10am

re: #224 Daisy

Insofar as banks were forced by Democrat forces to make dumbass loans to people who could not afford houses, it is.

That is subsumed under the larger concept of "wealth redistribution."

241 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:51:18am

re: #219 SFGoth

Like Bush? Disastrous foreign policy is not impeachable unless it constitutes the commission of a crime, and not "crime" in some sort of philosophical sense. Please. Let's not moonbat this thing any further.

Aw, c'mon. You have one of their main talking points in your post.

242 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:51:33am

re: #229 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

In my day, we got one potato a week & we were happy for it!

When I was young, I had to walk through a corn field, UP HILL, to get my potato.

243 big L  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:51:37am

OT have you seen the new flag? Yes, when ObaMA was speechifying on the economy, there were flags behicn him on thedais. Two were USA flags and the other two were Obama flags. the y have a giant "O" where the stars are and the background is shaped like a triangle into the area where the stripes are. The stripes are real wide and fewer in number.... I was shocked

244 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:52:02am

re: #238 NoSubmission

What next? Nahoul the Hamas Bee or Farfour the ill-fated Terror Mouse from Gaza?

I liked that effing big rabbit, personally.

245 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:52:02am
246 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:52:09am

re: #229 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

In my day, we got one potato a week & we were happy for it!

And we had to walk ten miles...uphill...both ways...to get it.

247 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:52:27am

re: #243 big L

OT have you seen the new flag? Yes, when ObaMA was speechifying on the economy, there were flags behicn him on thedais. Two were USA flags and the other two were Obama flags. the y have a giant "O" where the stars are and the background is shaped like a triangle into the area where the stripes are. The stripes are real wide and fewer in number.... I was shocked

Dude, that's the flag of Ohio.

248 amphibian  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:52:29am

re: #4 HBob

Is the Jewish community not getting the memos on this shit or what?

I don't know. I asked several local Jews in the last few weeks, during social stuff around the High Holy Days. All I got was getting labeled That Republican Guy for the evening. Temporary cooties, you understand; I was re-admitted into polite society within a few hours.

>1-generation American Jews, I think. My fellow first-generation Jewish Soviet emigrants are paying attention. As I suspect are the first-generation ex-Cubans, ex-Vietnamese, ex-Cambodians, etc. Funny how that works.

249 bellamags  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:52:31am

re: #227 Florida Lady

Wher in Florida do you live? THAT makes a big difference.

Ready? North FL. Jacksonville / clay county area. We are like almost 90% republican around here.

250 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:52:32am

re: #243 big L

OT have you seen the new flag? Yes, when ObaMA was speechifying on
the economy, there were flags behicn him on thedais. Two were USA flags
and the other two were Obama flags. the y have a giant "O" where the
stars are and the background is shaped like a triangle into the area
where the stripes are. The stripes are real wide and fewer in
number.... I was shocked

Er,.. that was the Ohio State flag.

251 NoSubmission  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:52:40am

re: #244 OldLineTexan

I liked that effing big rabbit, personally.


Right, it was a rabbit. I was thinking rodent.

252 Muadib  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:52:42am

They're preparing for a Socialist Workers Paradise.

To hell with that crap.

253 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:52:55am

re: #243 big L

OT have you seen the new flag? Yes, when ObaMA was speechifying on the economy, there were flags behicn him on thedais. Two were USA flags and the other two were Obama flags. the y have a giant "O" where the stars are and the background is shaped like a triangle into the area where the stripes are. The stripes are real wide and fewer in number.... I was shocked


That was the Ohio state flag.

254 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:52:55am

re: #203 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

More likely scenario.

*rimshot*

255 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:53:03am

re: #243 big L

OT have you seen the new flag? Yes, when ObaMA was speechifying on the economy, there were flags behicn him on thedais. Two were USA flags and the other two were Obama flags. the y have a giant "O" where the stars are and the background is shaped like a triangle into the area where the stripes are. The stripes are real wide and fewer in number.... I was shocked

You're shocked that the Ohio flag was in Ohio?

256 runrabbitrun  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:53:04am

re: #246 Ford_Prefect

And we had to walk ten miles...uphill...both ways...to get it.

through four feet of snow and ice.

257 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:53:08am

re: #246 Ford_Prefect

And we had to walk ten miles...uphill...both ways...to get it.

Walk? Well, lad-de-freaking-da! We didn't even have legs!

258 JohnAdams  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:53:10am

re: #233 ErislDysnomia

Freedom of speech will be severely curtailed under Obama.

Anyone who's been on a college campus in the last 20 years knows exactly what you're talking about.

259 Perry  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:53:12am

"Where do politicians come from? Why, they come from Uranus!"
Boortz

260 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:53:18am

re: #251 NoSubmission

Right, it was a rabbit. I was thinking rodent.

No problem, I couldn't remember. The creepy girl spooks me.

261 Daisy  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:53:30am

re: #240 ErislDysnomia

That is subsumed under the larger concept of "wealth redistribution."

AKA "reparations" :)

262 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:53:42am
263 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:53:55am

re: #238 NoSubmission

What next? Nahoul the Hamas Bee or Farfour the ill-fated Terror Mouse from Gaza?

Barbi in Malibu.

264 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:54:00am

re: #254 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*rimshot*

In the future, please use Instant Rimshot!

265 skullkrusher  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:54:25am

Can someone go here Obama Tax Cuts and figure out some sort of combination in which the calculator admits that McCain would offer a tax cut? Every combo I tried either results in a "You probably wouldn't get a tax cut under Obama/Biden" or a $0 for McCain. Having checked out the proposals, that just isn't the case. Honest mistake?

266 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:54:33am

re: #243 big L

Honest mistake, though, considering the great seal of Obama that he tried to get away with for awhile.
:D

267 AuntAcid  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:54:50am

re: #102 realwest

You know, I've never, ever understood why Jewish Americans keep voting Democratic.
Do you understand that? (btw, I've been married twice to Jewish women each time and they ALWAYS voted Dem no matter who was running.).

...and FOR gun control! Let's just say they are "complicated."

268 Beach Lover  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:54:52am

re: #216 NoSubmission

I still can't get over ACORN registering Mickey Mouse to vote in FL.


but the real question...GOP or DEM?

269 realwest  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:54:57am

re: #180 yma o hyd
Hi yma! With all due respect to you and especially to
Jetpilot1101 if Obama should win in November, then for me there'd be no discussions or conversations with those folks, relatives or not.
Sorry, but if their Obama madness syndrome takes away MY America, I'd have nothing decent to say to them.
NOTHING.

270 NoSubmission  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:54:58am

re: #257 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Walk? Well, lad-de-freaking-da! We didn't even have legs!


We were blindfolded and naked and had to trudge through blizzards and gale to pick our potato--we were allowed only one. Then armed with ony ONE match [it was wet] we had to start our own fires to roast said potato.

271 Pyrocles  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:55:11am

Heh. One of my favorite college professors was a black Archeologist. He lambasted these black pseudoscience leaders who absolutely needed the ancient Egyptians to be black, in order to assign some sort of historical "worth" to black culture. The ancient Egyptians were not black. And blacks don't need to invent some mythical superior civilization in order to feel equal (or superior).

re: #99 ploome hineni

even worse, this by Staney Kurtz


clinically insane

272 yma o hyd  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:55:20am

re: #256 runrabbitrun

through four feet of snow and ice.

Only four?
Ten feet - and we had no shoes ...

273 freedomnut  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:55:31am

Jesse Jackson = Rev. Wright

Too bad they can't shut him up, too.

274 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:55:37am

re: #243 big L

OT have you seen the new flag? Yes, when ObaMA was speechifying on the economy, there were flags behicn him on thedais. Two were USA flags and the other two were Obama flags. the y have a giant "O" where the stars are and the background is shaped like a triangle into the area where the stripes are. The stripes are real wide and fewer in number.... I was shocked


Believe it or not, that is the state flag of OHIO.
He used it I believe because it looks like his obama thing, but actually he was speaking in Ohio

275 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:55:40am

re: #41 mean Gene

journalistic felon? the Nation? While would never say the Nation has never been right, I would never say they have no agenda.

Taheri is not a perfect source. I am sure Jackson will deny saying this any moment now. I have not seen his comments sourced anywhere else. Given Jackson's comments at Obama's securing the dem nomination, these comments are somewhat incongruous.

We need additional sourcing on this. So far the only source is Taheri. While I want to believe Taheri, he has gotten stuff wrong before. Where was the comment said? Who else was present and did anyone get this on tape?

If the comment was made. It is glove thrown down at the feet of every Jewish voter in America with a stark question- where do you stand?

276 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:55:43am

Jackson doesn't understand the power of Zionist hair rays.

/woe be unto him

277 J.S.  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:55:56am

re: #167 SFGoth

In January 2009 the Iranians will be petitioning to get on the United Nations (that organization which Barry Hussein so loves and adores) Security Council. Think Barry would have any objections? I think not. Iran will get its nukes -- and quite possibly the only Middle Eastern State which will be required to "disarm" (in its entirety) will (imo) be Israel. That'll be yet another one of Barry Hussein's "demands" -- he'll demand that Israel lead the way to nuclear disarmament...then Iran will be allowed to get their nukes...

278 jaunte  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:56:07am

A shrinking moral dilemma:
As an uncertain economy contracts client's budgets and reduces quarterly planning to month-by-month planning, a small business like mine has to prepare to cut costs. Like every business, we have some employees who are less productive than others, and those are the ones most likely to be laid off.

The question: is it wrong to notice that these less productive employees are the ones whose cars sport Obama stickers?

279 twincitiesgirl  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:56:24am

re: #255 Lizard by the Bay

Interesting but ugly flag IMO.

280 Beach Lover  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:56:35am

re: #246 Ford_Prefect

And we had to walk ten miles...uphill...both ways...to get it.


we were too poor to have hills in our cornfields.
/

281 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:56:47am

re: #257 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Walk? Well, lad-de-freaking-da! We didn't even have legs!

ohh what I would have given to not have legs. We didn't have arms! Had to carry the potato with our toes as we walked.

282 pegcity  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:56:51am

re: #278 jaunte

racism

283 Jamie  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:56:52am

Amir Taheri has a pretty poor track record. I want to see someone else pick up this story before I believe it. Maybe I'm hyper-sensitive because I'm Jewish, but I hate spreading anything potentially false vis a vis Israel.

284 Shug  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:56:59am

I wish that I had Jesse's girl.
nanana na na
How can I find a woman lile that?

285 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:57:12am

re: #278 jaunte

A shrinking moral dilemma:
As an uncertain economy contracts
client's budgets and reduces quarterly planning to month-by-month
planning, a small business like mine has to prepare to cut costs. Like
every business, we have some employees who are less productive than
others, and those are the ones most likely to be laid off.

The question: is it wrong to notice that these less productive employees are the ones whose cars sport Obama stickers?

Is it wrong to notice that bears crap in the woods?
/says the man blogging at work...

286 realwest  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:57:14am

re: #198 ErislDysnomia
Not with a Dem controlled Senate and House it isn't.

287 jaunte  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:57:49am

re: #282 pegcity

Ha! (not by melanin content)

288 Perry  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:57:52am

Last one:

"Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you." -- Pericles (430 B.C.)

289 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:57:57am

re: #265 skullkrusher

Can someone go here Obama Tax Cuts and figure out some sort of combination in which the calculator admits that McCain would offer a tax cut? Every combo I tried either results in a "You probably wouldn't get a tax cut under Obama/Biden" or a $0 for McCain. Having checked out the proposals, that just isn't the case. Honest mistake?

Maried filing jointly
Income 150 - 200K
3+ dependents
Saving for retirment

Obama 500 - McCain 316

290 Florida Lady  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:58:16am

re: #249 bellamags

Ready? North FL. Jacksonville / clay county area. We are like almost 90% republican around here.


Don't worry . . . they're all visiting from Tallahassee. Or Fort Lauderdale. Or Miami. Or Palm Beach

/

Seriously, don't panic. Just go vote and take as many like-minded people with you! I have great faith in Jax.

291 maddogg  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:58:42am

re: #284 Shug

I wish that I had Jesse's girl.
nanana na na
How can I find a woman lile that?

Most any street corner in any large American city.

292 NY Nana  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:58:52am

Here are some truths re Obama and the Jews, that no doubt Jesse 'Hymietown' Jackson shares...from the Womans' Division of the Republican Jewish Coalition.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

293 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:59:05am

re: #273 freedomnut

Let them yap.

294 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:59:24am

What Jesse (the Anti-Semite/Racist) states has long been known around LGF. The MSM and liberals just choose to ignore these facts. There is no way that Obama could hold his neo-Socialist/Marxist/Black-Liberation "Theology"/NOI views and not be rabidly Anti-Israel.

I fear however, that even knowing all this the glossy eyed "wow, a young black President for 'change'" idiot American voters are going to elect him for POTUS. This is partially the Republican parties fault as well, as they gave us a weak, pathetic, non-Conservative as the alternative.

OT:

The AFP Headline: "Arab-Israeli Arrested For Driving On Jewish Holiday"

The Truth however is that

"Tawfik Jamal was remanded in custody for three days for reckless endangerment and harming religious sensitivities," said police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld.

What the AFP leaves out however is that Tawik Jamal was only DETAINED (something unfortunately VERY common in Israel for ALL citizens (Jews, Arabs, Christians, Ba'hai, etc.), and that his driving on Yom Kippur (something NOONE in the entire country does) was purposefully done through a religious community, with his radio blaring, at high speeds (all a horrible insult and forbidden for Jews during the Holiday) which provoked multiple days of Arab/Jewish rioting in the city (where it took place) of Akko ("Acre"), where the Arabs stoned a Jewish baby.

Way to bias, AFP!

295 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:59:28am

re: #264 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

In the future, please use Instant Rimshot!

Yeah, I've got the link in the "LGF Notes" text file on my Desktop and thought about digging it out.
Simply got lazy.

/please don't plagiarize ... I haven't thrown this one at goddess yet (-:

296 Daisy  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:59:57am

re: #102 realwest

You know, I've never, ever understood why Jewish Americans keep voting Democratic.
Do you understand that? (btw, I've been married twice to Jewish women each time and they ALWAYS voted Dem no matter who was running.).

My Jewish husband will be voting Republican this year for the first time ever. I think I've been a good influence/ ;) Then again, I'm a registered Democrat who has voted Republican a few times now. Finally, I'm a Conservative.

As far as the habitual Jewish voting Democrat thing goes, I think it may have something to do with a preference for a Democracy over a Republic. That, and that human beings tend to live in the past rather than the present.

297 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:00:04am

re: #272 yma o hyd

Only four?
Ten feet - and we had no shoes ...

We had not FEET...

298 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:00:06am

re: #289 Jetpilot1101

Maried filing jointly
Income 150 - 200K
3+ dependents
Saving for retirment

Obama 500 - McCain 316

Okay, Obama's got my vote. SHOW ME THE MONEY!
/

299 realwest  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:00:07am

re: #219 SFGoth
Yeah, but most people forget that Bush had congressional backing and UN authorization for Iraq and, of course, congressional backing for Afghanistan.

300 ErislDysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:00:12am

WEB PETITION

Postpone 2008 elections to reolve massive ACORN and other voter registration fraud

LINK

( [Link: www.webpetitions.com...] )

Spread the word. A few hundred thousand signatures will make a strong statement, can have a corrective effect at the very least, and I believe that can be achieved.

301 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:00:28am

re: #284 Shug

I wish that I had Jesse's girl.
nanana na na
How can I find a woman lile that?

Which one?

302 yma o hyd  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:00:33am

re: #269 realwest

Hi yma! With all due respect to you and especially to
Jetpilot1101 if Obama should win in November, then for me there'd be no discussions or conversations with those folks, relatives or not.
Sorry, but if their Obama madness syndrome takes away MY America, I'd have nothing decent to say to them.
NOTHING.

Right you are!
I meant after the McCain win - that is certain to destroy some of their delusions (I hope!).

A B0 win is just too dreadful to contemplate, and believe you me, we have somee xperience of what that looks like, on the ground, here in the UK, thanks to NuLab.
No, if that empty suit gets in, then its got to be resistance and civil disobedience from 11/05 onwards. At least you are forewarned, which we were not - and you have your Constitution!

303 pat  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:00:41am

I think the liberal Jewish establishment gets around this by throwing Israel under the bus. They would rather be part of liberal America than Zionist.

304 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:00:57am

re: #291 maddogg

Most any street corner in any large American city.

Yeah, but that actaully costs money.

305 bellamags  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:01:06am

re: #290 Florida Lady

I am close to a dem. headquarters office. I don't think these people are visiting. They are just stupid.

306 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:01:12am

re: #233 ErislDysnomia

Freedom of speech will be severely curtailed under Obama.

Shame less self promotion. From my adaptation of 1984, which is only 1 of 4 authorized stage adaptations. This speech is by O'Brian (Obama) toward the end of Winstons interegation. Parts of the dialog is from the book, some mine.

"We have destroyed mankind. In the future there will be no loyalty, except loyalty to the Party. There will be no love, except the love of Big Brother. There will be no laughter, except the laugh of triumph over a defeated enemy. But in the future there will be… always… there will be the intoxication of power.
Mankind has let it happened. You stopped paying attention. You invited us in. The human race has betrayed itself. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stomping on a human face… forever."

My addition to this speech was this line "Mankind has let it happened. You stopped paying attention. You invited us in. The human race has betrayed itself."

I think it speaks to what we are doing to ourselves at this current time. We have given in. To the Telescreens (TV and MSM), Two Minute Hate (lack of respect to others), Ministry of Plenty (expecting our government to supply all) and so on.

It's not a pretty picture.

307 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:01:16am

re: #218 OldLineTexan

No tie rod, no steering. Bad tie rod, bad alignment.

Idiot Buick dealer in Western NY replaced my daughter's tie rod ends when she was in college, and DIDN'T do an alignment. One reason we don't buy GM. If a Honda or Toyota dealer did that, I could get something by complaining to Honda or Toyota.

308 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:01:45am

re: #279 twincitiesgirl

Interesting but ugly flag IMO.

Still a lot nicer looking than Maryland's, IMHO, which looks like something a medieval army would have carried. Or Rhode Island's flag, which looks like it belongs on the mast of some rich tool's sailboat. South Carolina's flag looks positively Muslim.

309 opinionated  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:02:04am

Did anyone here really need Jesse Jackson to state the obvious?

Israel may regain some of their self respect of old knowing that they stand alone.

But how will the United States do as we morph into the European model of being susceptible to pacifism, Socialism and the coup de grace- Islam's influence?

310 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:02:05am

re: #297 Typicalwhitey

We had not FEET...

We used to use the potato peelings and wrap them around our feet to keep warm at night.

311 Beach Lover  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:02:21am

Oh I wish they'd show Lee Greenwood singing and introducing Sarah right now. God BlessThe USA!

312 NoSubmission  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:02:34am

Petition: Psychiatric Evaluation of Presidential CandidatesYour text to link...

To: U.S. Congress
The 2008 presidential election in America is the most crucial election in this country's history, not because the issues are that critical but because of Senator Barack Hussein Obama. Sen. Obama likely suffers from narcissistic personality disorder (NPD). NPD is a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and a lack of empathy. The following are some of the symptoms of NPD that can be seen in Sen. Obama. He subtly misrepresents facts, opportunistically shifts positions, ignores data that conflicts with his fantasy world, is overly confident and acts presidential despite commensurate merits and his modest life achievements, considers himself above the law, talks about himself in third person, has messianic vision of himself and his “mission”, displays false modesty while often evincing haughtiness, sublimates aggression and behaves as eternal adolescents. [Please see this article. [Link: www.faithfreedom.org...] ]

NPD is the prime disorder experienced by madmen of history -- from Hitler to Stalin, Mao, Kim, Osama, Khomeini, Saddam and Idi Amin. These men wreaked havoc and killed millions. Yet, they were confident they were right in what they were doing. Few suspected their insanity because narcissists are often intelligent and cunning.

[Link: www.petitiononline.com...]

313 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:02:49am

re: #242 Walter L. Newton

When I was young, I had to walk through a corn field, UP HILL, to get my potato.

You had potatos in your cornfield?......life must've been very confusing for you ;~)

314 yma o hyd  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:02:55am

re: #278 jaunte

A shrinking moral dilemma:
As an uncertain economy contracts client's budgets and reduces quarterly planning to month-by-month planning, a small business like mine has to prepare to cut costs. Like every business, we have some employees who are less productive than others, and those are the ones most likely to be laid off.

The question: is it wrong to notice that these less productive employees are the ones whose cars sport Obama stickers?

Nope - I'd say: that figures!

315 twincitiesgirl  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:02:58am

re: #279 twincitiesgirl

State flags of the USA

/click on flag to enlarge

316 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:03:01am

re: #269 realwest

Hi yma! With all due respect to you and especially to
Jetpilot1101 if Obama should win in November, then for me there'd be no discussions or conversations with those folks, relatives or not.
Sorry, but if their Obama madness syndrome takes away MY America, I'd have nothing decent to say to them.
NOTHING.

I don't talk to her now. Last time I tried some playful banter with her concerning politics, she practically cried and it was because I said Olberman was an idiot. If they do take away our country, in 4 years people will be so pissed they'll be a revolution. I don't want 4 years of Carter but that's what we're going to get with the big zero.

317 realwest  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:03:15am

re: #242 Walter L. Newton
Well in my day I had to walk through knee-deep snow
uphill, both ways, to get to the store to get it!

318 Jamie  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:04:08am

re: #307 Kosh's Shadow

Idiot Buick dealer in Western NY replaced my daughter's tie rod ends when she was in college, and DIDN'T do an alignment. One reason we don't buy GM. If a Honda or Toyota dealer did that, I could get something by complaining to Honda or Toyota.

I'm perpetually saddened by the fact that I feel no choice but to buy an import. I just have a better track record with Tokyo than I do with Detroit.

319 maddogg  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:04:10am

re: #310 Ford_Prefect

We used to use the potato peelings and wrap them around our feet to keep warm at night.

If you guys were from the Socialist Paradise of North Korea, you would have some really interesting stories to tell. But fear not, Zero gonna fix dat!

320 skullkrusher  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:04:21am

re: #289 Jetpilot1101

aha, thanks. Have no kids so didn't even think of trying that one :)

321 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:04:30am

RICO suit filed against ACORN


COLUMBUS - The Buckeye Institute, a Columbus-based think tank, today filed a state RICO action against the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) on behalf of two Warren County voters. The action filed in Warren County Court of Common Pleas alleges ACORN has engaged in a pattern of corrupt activity that amounts to organized crime. It seeks ACORN's dissolution as a legal entity, the revocation of any licenses in Ohio, and an injunction against fraudulent voter registration and other illegal activities.

Plaintiffs Jennifer Miller of Mason, Ohio and Kimberly Grant of Loveland, allege that ACORN's actions deprive them of the right to participate in an honest and effective elections process. They allege fraudulent voter registrations submitted by ACORN dilute the votes of legally registered voters.

"The right to cast a vote that is not diluted by fraudulent votes is a fundamental individual right," Buckeye Institute President David Hansen said.

"ACORN appears to be recklessly disregarding Ohio laws and adding thousands of fraudulent voters to the state's roles in the process," Maurice Thompson, Director of the Buckeye Institute's 1851 Center for Constitutional Law said. "Such voter fraud erodes the value of legally cast votes," he added.

In the complaint, Thompson cites an accumulation of evidence showing numerous instances of admitted fraud by ACORN employees, as well as individuals solicited by ACORN.

"In light of its hiring, training and compensation practices, ACORN should have known its conduct would cause fraud," Thompson said. "It also should know that its conduct will cause fraud in the future."

In addition, the complaint cites conduct by ACORN in Colorado, Indiana, Louisiana, Michigan, Missouri, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Texas, Virginia, Washington and Wisconsin.

322 Vergeltung  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:04:36am

re: #278 jaunte

I ain't touchin' that one! :O

323 pat  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:04:40am

You had potato peels?

324 zombie  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:04:43am

The whole reparations thing is extremely shaky and could never pass legal muster.

First of all, well over 50% of "white" Americans are descended from immigrants who did not even arrive on this continent until after slavery was abolished: Italian and Scandinavian and German and Irish and Jewish and Russian immigrants from the late-19th - early 20th-centuries. What wrongs did they or their forebears ever commit? None.

Secondly, among the remaining "white" people, a majority are descended from ancestors who lived in non-slave states, such as Massachusetts, etc. So even if they were in America between 1776 and 1865, they still couldn't and didn't own slaves.

Thirdly, a large majority of "white" people who lived in southern slave state pre-Civil War were far too poor to actually own slaves: most slaves were owned by a very few wealthy plantation owners.

Fourthly, in the years since 1865, a very large number of people of African descent have immigrated to the U.S. (including Barack Obama Sr.), who were either never slaves back in their home countries, or who were the the descendants of slaves (such as modern-day Haitians) but were living under a different government and legal system which had nothing whatsoever to do with the United States. (I.e. Are American citizens expected to pay reparations to the descendants of slaves who were in fact enslaved by the French in Haiti or the British in Jamaica?)

Fifthly, what about all those millions of Americans who fall outside the black-and-white racial categories: what about Chinese and Native Americans and Vietnamese and Indians from India and Japanese and Lebanese and Native Hawaiians and on and on? Where do they fit in? Are they required to pay reparations for historical wrongs of which they had no part whatsoever? Or will they receive reparations for those same wrongs to which they are unconnected?

Sixthly, what about the extremely uncomfortable fact that 70% of people we now identify as "African-American" are in fact mixed race, having at least one European ancestor (and often many more)? And that many of those white ancestors were in fact themselves slave-owners or the descendants of slave-owners? So that 70% of blacks themselves would have to pay reparations as well as receive them?

I could go on and on, but you get the point. Reparations is an idea -- a terrible idea -- that would NEVER fly, and is unconstitutional in a wide variety of ways.

325 subsailor68  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:04:47am

OT
Okay, enough is enough!

ACORN Registers Mickey Mouse

It just seems to me that if you a) pay people - even $8/hr, or give them cash per registration, and b) pay, in cigs or cash, people to register....

You end up with this kind of thng.

326 jorline  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:04:54am

BOGUS VOTER BOOTED AMID PROBE OF ACORN

The vote of Darnell Nash, one of four people subpoenaed in a Cuyahoga County probe of ACORN's voter-registration activities, was canceled and his case was turned over to local prosecutors and law enforcement, Board of Elections officials said yesterday.

Nash had registered to vote repeatedly from an address that belonged to a legitimately registered voter, officials said during a hearing at which the subpoenaed voters were to testify.

Board officials had contacted Nash this summer, questioned his address and told him to stop repeat registering.

But still, he breezed into Ohio election offices - the state allows early voting for president - reregistered with a fake address and cast a paper ballot, officials said.

Sounds like the Ohio vote is a cesspool for "O".

327 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:05:34am

re: #323 pat

We ate dirt... and we were thankful for that dirt! You kids today aren't thankful for anything.

328 So?  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:05:43am

In Obama's world, Jesse Jackson will be Emperor and Chief Advisor... of the country formerly known as the USA.

329 AuntAcid  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:05:58am

re: #226 ErislDysnomia

Let's all call Acorn (tape recorder on), saying we are unregistered, never voted, spent time in jail for a felony, can they help us?

Secret voice recording will get you "time" or at least a fine.
But go ahead. Should be fun.

330 realwest  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:06:28am

re: #278 jaunte
No my friend it isn't wrong; it's unavoidable.

331 J.D.  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:06:29am

re: #321 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

RICO suit filed against ACORN


Great news, and not a moment too soon!
Go get 'em, ladies!

332 SFGoth  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:06:33am

re: #241 OldLineTexan

Aw, c'mon. You have one of their main talking points in your post.

I'm just saying that Bush would have been impeached by now -- as would nearly every U.S. president -- if disastrous foreign policy were impeachable. I'm not saying it's disastrous (but believing Muslim Arabs could govern themselves without dictatorship is asinine) but the power structure in Congress does. We're not going to impeach Bush for this and we're not going to impeach Obama for it either (certainly not for allowing Israel to be destroyed).

333 twincitiesgirl  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:06:38am

re: #324 zombie

Bravo!

/encore please

334 So?  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:06:38am

re: #325 subsailor68

OT
Okay, enough is enough!

ACORN Registers Mickey Mouse

It just seems to me that if you a) pay people - even $8/hr, or give them cash per registration, and b) pay, in cigs or cash, people to register....

You end up with this kind of thng.

What about Donald Duck...he's really quackers.

335 Desert Dog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:06:49am

re: #324 zombie

It would rip this country in two and undo all the strides race relations have made over the past 50 years.

336 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:06:59am

re: #327 Lizard by the Bay

We ate dirt... and we were thankful for that dirt! You kids today aren't thankful for anything.

You had dirt? We used to dream of having dirt. We had to eat dry sand.

337 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:07:07am

re: #284 Shug

I wish that I had Jesse's girl.
nanana na na
How can I find a woman lile that?

Try 867-5309.....for a good time.

338 Cognito  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:07:14am

There was some interest here a couple of days ago in Chris Buckley's surprise endorsement for Obama. Well, the saga continues: Buckley has been fired from the magazine his father founded.

339 JacksonTn  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:07:23am

re: #243 big L

OT have you seen the new flag? Yes, when ObaMA was speechifying on the economy, there were flags behicn him on thedais. Two were USA flags and the other two were Obama flags. the y have a giant "O" where the stars are and the background is shaped like a triangle into the area where the stripes are. The stripes are real wide and fewer in number.... I was shocked

ohio flag ......but if obama wins .........he's taking it .........

340 J.D.  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:07:43am

re: #325 subsailor68

When I worked the elections, it was not uncommon for Mickey to be a write-in.

341 calcajun  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:07:46am

What do you expect? Are you really shocked from the man who sang..

Well, I talk about it
Talk about it
Talk about it
Talk about it
Talk about, Talk about
Talk about movin

Gotta move on
Gotta move on
Gotta move on

Won't you take me to
Hymie-town

I guess a lot of Jewish-Americans must have a self-destructive streak if they are determined to elect a man who will pull the rug out from under Israel.

342 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:07:48am

re: #324 zombie

Are American citizens expected to pay reparations to the descendants of slaves who were in fact enslaved by the French in Haiti or the British in Jamaica?

Why not? I heard we were already paying reparations to Guamanians for what the Japanese did to them. Our pockets are always deep enough for one more greivance.

343 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:07:52am

re: #336 Ford_Prefect

You had dirt? We used to dream of having dirt. We had to eat dry sand.

Sand, you say? Luxury! All we had was grit, and we were thankful for it!

344 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:08:04am

re: #247 OldLineTexan

Dude, that's the flag of Ohio.


Many confuse the Ohio State University flag with the State flag..
Cause OSU is more important..
/just teasing our Ohio friends

345 JacksonTn  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:08:28am

re: #331 J.D.

Great news, and not a moment too soon!
Go get 'em, ladies!

is that a fed suit or state ...... little rico

346 reine.de.tout  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:08:29am

re: #324 zombie

The whole reparations thing is extremely shaky and could never pass legal muster.

First of all, well over 50% of "white" Americans are descended from immigrants who did not even arrive on this continent until after slavery was abolished: Italian and Scandinavian and German and Irish and Jewish and Russian immigrants from the late-19th - early 20th-centuries. What wrongs did they or their forebears ever commit? None.

Secondly, among the remaining "white" people, a majority are descended from ancestors who lived in non-slave states, such as Massachusetts, etc. So even if they were in America between 1776 and 1865, they still couldn't and didn't own slaves.

Thirdly, a large majority of "white" people who lived in southern slave state pre-Civil War were far too poor to actually own slaves: most slaves were owned by a very few wealthy plantation owners.

Fourthly, in the years since 1865, a very large number of people of African descent have immigrated to the U.S. (including Barack Obama Sr.), who were either never slaves back in their home countries, or who were the the descendants of slaves (such as modern-day Haitians) but were living under a different government and legal system which had nothing whatsoever to do with the United States. (I.e. Are American citizens expected to pay reparations to the descendants of slaves who were in fact enslaved by the French in Haiti or the British in Jamaica?)

Fifthly, what about all those millions of Americans who fall outside the black-and-white racial categories: what about Chinese and Native Americans and Vietnamese and Indians from India and Japanese and Lebanese and Native Hawaiians and on and on? Where do they fit in? Are they required to pay reparations for historical wrongs of which they had no part whatsoever? Or will they receive reparations for those same wrongs to which they are unconnected?

Sixthly, what about the extremely uncomfortable fact that 70% of people we now identify as "African-American" are in fact mixed race, having at least one European ancestor (and often many more)? And that many of those white ancestors were in fact themselves slave-owners or the descendants of slave-owners? So that 70% of blacks themselves would have to pay reparations as well as receive them?

I could go on and on, but you get the point. Reparations is an idea -- a terrible idea -- that would NEVER fly, and is unconstitutional in a wide variety of ways.

Sixth - in some places, there some, a small number to be sure, but some, blacks descended from black slaveowners.

347 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:08:30am

re: #321 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

RICO suit filed against ACORN

I'm waiting for the Federal RICO action against ACORN. WTH are the Feds going to do with all those red t-shirts they seize?

348 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:08:40am

re: #336 Ford_Prefect

You had dirt? We used to dream of having dirt.

That's why we were thankful. ;-D

349 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:08:59am
350 So?  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:09:00am

Will Obama's Kenyan grandmother be Secretary of State?

/he'll have to run that by Jesse, Sharpton & Farrakhankan

351 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:09:00am

re: #324 zombie

I
could go on and on, but you get the point. Reparations is an idea -- a
terrible idea -- that would NEVER fly, and is unconstitutional in a
wide variety of ways.

I'm just a pessimist who believes that every bad idea's time will come.

352 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:09:10am

re: #338 Cognito

There was some interest here a couple of days ago in Chris Buckley's surprise endorsement for Obama. Well, the saga continues: Buckley has been fired from the magazine his father founded.

They cancelled his goddamn subscription.

353 J.D.  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:09:17am

re: #345 JacksonTn

is that a fed suit or state ...... little rico

I thought that was federal, but I really don't know. *shrug*

354 snakedoctor  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:09:36am

The liberal Joooooooooooooos will still vote for Obama. How sad.

355 subsailor68  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:09:38am

re: #329 AuntAcid

Actually, it may not. It appears about 41 states have "One Party" laws, which means that only one of the parties needs to be aware of the taping. And, hey, if you're aware, sure looks like you're okay. Am I right on this?

Taping Laws

356 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:09:40am

re: #318 Jamie

I'm perpetually saddened by the fact that I feel no choice but to buy an import. I just have a better track record with Tokyo than I do with Detroit.

I've had four Toyotas in the past.....I learned on the first on that it needs to be driven from the showroom to the alignment shop without stopping for lunch. The guys at the alignment shop thought I was nuts until they checked the alignment themselves......all four cars were that way.

357 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:09:46am

re: #321 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Can one of the legal lizards advise regard the viability of a suit like this? I wasn't aware that RICO could be used in this way in a civil suit.

358 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:09:49am

re: #338 Cognito

There was some interest here a couple of days ago in Chris Buckley's surprise endorsement for Obama. Well, the saga continues: Buckley has been fired from the magazine his father founded.

I'll bet WFB has been spinning in his grave.

359 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:09:58am

re: #344 HoosierHoops

Many confuse the Ohio State University flag with the State flag..
Cause OSU is more important..
/just teasing our Ohio friends

LOL!

360 big L  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:10:00am

I don't think ACORN cares whether they are caught or investigated or observed or whatever. IT is unlkelythat anyone will go after them. Everyone in govt is afraid of them. People have pensins to protect and there is no one kicking the investigators in the butt to get going on investigating and penalizing them.
It is a free pass for Acorn. If the Gop did it the donks would apply 2 x 4's to the Gop first, then prosecute.
Just like if someone showed up at a rally with Hillary is a C-word, I believe they'd be beaten to death...

361 JohnnyReb  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:10:02am

re: #324 zombie

You forgot to include what would happen to the descendants of the numerous blacks who owned slaves. This was more common than most people think.

362 Shug  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:10:33am

re: #325 subsailor68

OT
Okay, enough is enough!

ACORN Registers Mickey Mouse

It just seems to me that if you a) pay people - even $8/hr, or give them cash per registration, and b) pay, in cigs or cash, people to register....

You end up with this kind of thng.


If Obama wins, ACORN will register Farfour

363 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:10:56am
364 DeafDog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:11:02am

re: #324 zombie

Hey, my great, great grand-daddy was a Serf under the Tsars....I want reparations, too. Where do I sign up?

Zombie, What does the constitution have to do with anything? All of your arguments could be made against Affirmative Action, too. Yet, that program is now mainstream American thinking. Reparation discussions will start in earnest within a few months of Obama is elected....maybe sooner. They can turn it into an 'urban stimulus package' or something like that.

365 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:11:04am

The reparations invoice was paid-in-full at Gettysburg.

366 BingoBunny  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:11:06am

Liberals/socialists/commie/surrender monkeys are such predictable bastages.. "kill the jooos first" always seems to be their one and only battle cry.

367 Outrider  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:11:13am

re: #167 SFGoth

Those Jews who care about Israel and are voting Obama anyway are in for a rude awakening. It won't be long after 1/20/09 before Israel gets hit from Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, and Syria. The U.S. won't do a thing, because the C-in-C will order us not to. Maybe Israel launches a few nukes, but I have a suspicion that it's nuke capability is vastly overstated. So it takes out part of Damascus; that's bad? Even for O?

Just out of curiosity, has there ever been any proof Israel even has nukes? It's been cited repeatedly throughout the world, but they seem to have never commented on it other than "no comment".

Although I haven't devoted a lot of time to it, I don't recall ever reading about nuke tests conducted by the Israelis. I know France helped build a reactor and an Israeli traitor in the 80s stated Israel had them. But everything else is a "purported", "supposed", "believe to", etc...

368 smokin' hamster  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:11:14am

My g-d this is really happening isn't it? I keep waiting to wake up and find it was all a dream.

369 J.D.  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:11:15am

re: #360 big L

I don't believe they know when enough is enough. It warms my heart to think they might finally get what they have coming.

370 pegcity  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:11:39am

re: #363 taxfreekiller

i've seen it in the national post financial section, and thats it.

371 subsailor68  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:11:41am

re: #362 Shug

LOL! Forgot about him. (Maybe he's already registered?)

372 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:12:00am

re: #357 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Can one of the legal lizards advise regard the viability of a suit like this? I wasn't aware that RICO could be used in this way in a civil suit.

The troofer Philip Berg (the Obama "Kenyan birth certificate" guy) filed a civil RICO suit against Bush in 2004.

373 big L  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:12:01am

339-JacksonTN-- that is just too creepy particularly with all the Obama-worship logos and seals and art-work out there....

374 So?  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:12:04am

re: #22 x-wing

What's it gonna take for people to see what's at stake here?

/sheesh

Chinese food?

375 MJBrutus  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:12:10am

Standing by for JJ to take his place under the bus in 5 ... 4 ... 3 ...

376 venezuela lover  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:12:11am
Zionists who have controlled America's policy for decades..

Hey Jesse, come on man, give Obama some credit on housing, education, health care, and economic policy. Obama screwed those up in Chicago without any Zionist intervention.

Hey Jesse, does this mean you really meant those anti-semitic jokes you told in the 1980's?

377 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:12:22am

re: #361 JohnnyReb

You forgot to include what would happen to the descendants of the numerous blacks who owned slaves. This was more common than most people think.

Coin toss?

378 realwest  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:12:24am

re: #300 ErislDysnomia
Done and spread!

379 Outrider  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:12:30am

re: #365 experiencedtraveller

The reparations invoice was paid-in-full at Gettysburg.

And President Clinton issued a full apology on behalf of the American people.

380 JohnnyReb  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:12:30am

re: #367 Outrider

Actually they did admit it a few years back. Not in actual numbers though.

381 DeafDog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:12:31am

re: #336 Ford_Prefect

You had dirt? We used to dream of having dirt. We had to eat dry sand.


At least your sand was dry. Ours was covered with urine from the pack of wolves that constantly harassed us.

382 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:12:34am

re: #338 Cognito

There was some interest here a couple of days ago in Chris Buckley's surprise endorsement for Obama. Well, the saga continues: Buckley has been fired from the magazine his father founded.

Keep in mind that Chris Buckley is a professional satirist & probably is voting for Obama just for 4 years of new material.

383 yma o hyd  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:12:42am

re: #321 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Wow - they done it!

Now tell the fence-sitters that B0 gave $800,000 from his campaing fund ...
One would like to know - what for?
Supporting voter fraud?

384 Perry  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:12:46am

re: #338 Cognito

There was some interest here a couple of days ago in Chris Buckley's surprise endorsement for Obama. Well, the saga continues: Buckley has been fired from the magazine his father founded.

So, to paraphrase a real conservative, Ronald Reagan: I haven’t left the Republican Party. It left me. blockquote>


Fine. RNC left him. We have worse choices now.

385 JacksonTn  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:12:50am

how many at sarah speech in pa she speaking now fox

386 ErislDysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:13:06am

re: #331 J.D.

Great news, and not a moment too soon!
Go get 'em, ladies!

WEB PETITION

Postpone 2008 elections to reolve massive ACORN and other voter registration fraud

[Link: www.webpetitions.com...]

ACORN has been shown to have engaged in systematic, widespread, deliberate, repetitive voter registration fraud to a degree probably unparalleled in US history. This is well documented by many media and web sources which a simple Google search demonstrates. It will take considerable time and resources to partition the fraudulent voters from the legitimate. Yet only a few weeks remain until an election critical to the U.S. and the world in a time of unparalleled financial and political unrest in the world. Close elections at the local level cannot, under these circumstances, be considered reliable in reflecting the will of the people. The election of 2000 demonstrated the potentially devastating consequences of voter fraud in the event of a close election at the national level. We, the undersigned, therefore call on our government to postpone the 2008 elections for at least two months to focus on an investigation of voter registration fraud, and restore voter confidence in a fair and untarnished election.

387 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:13:07am

re: #343 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Sand, you say? Luxury! All we had was grit, and we were thankful for it!

Well when I say 'sand' I mean dust, but it was sand to us. And we were happy to get it.

388 realwest  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:13:16am

re: #303 pat Yep, but I'm not Jewish and I AM a Zionist!

389 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:13:24am

re: #317 realwest

Well in my day I had to walk through knee-deep snow
uphill, both ways, to get to the store to get it!


In my day the potato had not yet been invented..
Always came home empty handed except for a few magic seeds.

390 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:13:32am

re: #385 JacksonTn

how many at sarah speech in pa she speaking now fox

I hope she's bringing up ACORN and other Obama problems.

391 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:13:41am

re: #381 DeafDog

At least your sand was dry. Ours was covered with urine from the pack of wolves that constantly harassed us.

Well shit, if you had wolves why were you strarving? No excuse there. Like my uncle Ted says, "Kill it 'n' Grill it!"

392 big L  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:13:41am

369-J.D. that would make my hear soar to think that a few of these miscreants would get 3 to 5yrs...

393 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:13:42am

re: #303 pat

Sadly, polls have actually shown as much.

The issue however isn't Israel over the United States, as Jackson, et al) like to couch it. The United States doesn't support Israel, or make policy "for the benefit of Israel" but instead for the benefit of the United States. Israel, as a democracy in the heart of the despotic Middle East (and right near our Energy resources), serves the interests of the United States by giving the U.S. a forward base to secure our resources, and as a shining light of Democracy to her neighbors. Further, Israel is a staunch ally that gives the U.S. whatever we ask of Israel, when we need their help, and support during wars in this vital region. In addition, Israel shares American values, and is suffereing the same scourge of Terrorism, and attacks by Islamic Murderers that the U.S., and thus is part of this war on OUR side.

The Left, and those others that are Anti-Israel like to paint tiny Israel as wagging the United States, and down play the harm Israel takes for the benefit of the United States and how much they support and defend American Interests in the middle east. The truth is that Israel is supported by the United States because we use her to push our American needs/agenda in that region.

394 J.D.  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:13:44am

re: #372 Ward Cleaver

The troofer Philip Berg (the Obama "Kenyan birth certificate" guy) filed a civil RICO suit against Bush in 2004.



WARD!

And you know this how?

Is that an obscure fact or should I have known it, too?

395 Perry  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:14:06am

Blockquote weirdness.

396 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:14:10am

re: #346 reine.de.tout

Sixth - in some places, there some, a small number to be sure, but some, blacks descended from black slaveowners.

I would like to suggest that those calling for reparations compare the standard of living of Afro-Americans today with today's standard of living of descendents of the African communities from which their ancestors came and see who owes who money.....

397 Outrider  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:14:15am

re: #373 big L

339-JacksonTN-- that is just too creepy particularly with all the Obama-worship logos and seals and art-work out there....

When people have build someone into a "messiah" type figure, there will be a time when they discover otherwise. In America, the period of time from creation of an Idol to tearing that idol down is very short as a rule.

398 runrabbitrun  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:14:27am

yaaay, Rush mentioned the Jesse Jackass statements about Israel and Zionism in the topic of this thread, and warned Americans : "Okay - so Obama's gonna take care of the Jooooooos."

399 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:14:41am

re: #372 Ward Cleaver

The troofer Philip Berg (the Obama "Kenyan birth certificate" guy) filed a civil RICO suit against Bush in 2004.

Hmmm. So it's possible. Thanks.

Let's hope this suit wins.

400 big L  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:14:44am

392-"heart"

401 J.D.  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:14:47am

re: #386 ErislDysnomia

Thanks!
I hadn't seen that!

402 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:15:08am

re: #367 Outrider

Just
out of curiosity, has there ever been any proof Israel even has nukes?
It's been cited repeatedly throughout the world, but they seem to have
never commented on it other than "no comment".

Although I
haven't devoted a lot of time to it, I don't recall ever reading about
nuke tests conducted by the Israelis. I know France helped build a
reactor and an Israeli traitor in the 80s stated Israel had them. But
everything else is a "purported", "supposed", "believe to", etc...

If the French can figure it out how to make nukes, I'm sure that the Israelis can, too!

403 ErislDysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:15:10am

re: #401 J.D.

Thanks!
I hadn't seen that!

Spread the word!

404 Spiny Norman  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:15:14am

re: #365 experiencedtraveller

The reparations invoice was paid-in-full at Gettysburg.

Mine were paid at Chickamauga, Tennessee and Dallas, Georgia (where my Ohioan abolitionist great-great grandfather's brothers were killed).

405 So?  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:15:16am

re: #393 WrathofG-d

Sadly, polls have actually shown as much.

The issue however isn't Israel over the United States, as Jackson, et al) like to couch it. The United States doesn't support Israel, or make policy "for the benefit of Israel" but instead for the benefit of the United States. Israel, as a democracy in the heart of the despotic Middle East (and right near our Energy resources), serves the interests of the United States by giving the U.S. a forward base to secure our resources, and as a shining light of Democracy to her neighbors. Further, Israel is a staunch ally that gives the U.S. whatever we ask of Israel, when we need their help, and support during wars in this vital region. In addition, Israel shares American values, and is suffereing the same scourge of Terrorism, and attacks by Islamic Murderers that the U.S., and thus is part of this war on OUR side.

The Left, and those others that are Anti-Israel like to paint tiny Israel as wagging the United States, and down play the harm Israel takes for the benefit of the United States and how much they support and defend American Interests in the middle east. The truth is that Israel is supported by the United States because we use her to push our American needs/agenda in that region.

VERY WELL SAID.

406 DeafDog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:15:17am

re: #365 experiencedtraveller

The reparations invoice was paid-in-full at Gettysburg.


Too true, but Jesse & the O-man do not share that POV.

407 Outrider  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:15:22am

re: #380 JohnnyReb

Actually they did admit it a few years back. Not in actual numbers though.

You have any kind of reference? Just curious. I can't locate one right away.

408 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:15:25am

re: #354 snakedoctor

See my 393 please.

We cannot allow the "other side" to frame this argument. This isn't about Jews vs The United States.

1st, there are numerous supporters of Israel that are NOT Jewish.
2nd, this isn't about Israel vs The United States, but instead The Democratic Western Ideals and Values against Despotism (ie: The U.S., & Israel vs. Islamism, etc.)

409 Scion9  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:15:27am

re: #308 Lizard by the Bay

Still a lot nicer looking than Maryland's, IMHO, which looks like something a medieval army would have carried. Or Rhode Island's flag, which looks like it belongs on the mast of some rich tool's sailboat. South Carolina's flag looks positively Muslim.

Nicer than Maryland's? You're crazy. Have you seen our flag? It looks like something a medieval army would have carried!

[Link: farm3.static.flickr.com...]

410 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:15:52am
411 J.D.  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:16:06am

re: #403 ErislDysnomia

Spread the word!

Consider it done!

412 Vergeltung  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:16:26am

re: #338 Cognito

There was some interest here a couple of days ago in Chris Buckley's surprise endorsement for Obama. Well, the saga continues: Buckley has been fired from the magazine his father founded.

he sounds like an idiot, what did he expect? his Dad would not support him in that lunacy either.

413 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:16:27am

re: #389 HoosierHoops

In my day the potato had not yet been invented..
Always came home empty handed except for a few magic seeds.

and no cow.

414 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:16:36am

re: #409 Scion9

Nicer than Maryland's? You're crazy. Have you seen our flag? It looks like something a medieval army would have carried!/blockquote>

Yes. I might have even mentioned that myself. :)

415 yma o hyd  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:16:37am

re: #338 Cognito

There was some interest here a couple of days ago in Chris Buckley's surprise endorsement for Obama. Well, the saga continues: Buckley has been fired from the magazine his father founded.

What a self-satisfied prig!

(Not you, cog!)

416 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:17:17am
“Obama is about change,” Jackson told me in a wide-ranging conversation. “And the change that Obama promises is not limited to what we do in America itself. It is a change of the way America looks at the world and its place in it.”

Jesse sees us as the first 4th World country that has folks like him in benevolent overlordship of all the thralls while they relax at their plantations.

417 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:17:59am

re: #389 HoosierHoops

In my day the potato had not yet been invented..
Always came home empty handed except for a few magic seeds.

LOL

418 calcajun  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:18:04am

re: #352 Honorary Yooper

They cancelled his goddamn subscription.

In all fairness to Buckley--Chris, not Bill--I understand his point and to an extent I agree with him. But, as I said in my post over at Daily Beast, for him to turn his back on McCain because he now seems inauthentic smacks of peevishness--not sound reasoning. It is also unreasonable for the GOP to be consigned to the political wilderness in favor of BHO and the Democrats merely because the GOP no longer has the intellectual depth it once possessed. W.F. Buckley did battle with the mouth-breathers and others like them, including the John Birch-ers. For Chris Buckley to paint the modern GOP as being more like that than what it had been under Reagan only served to make the Democrats seem more mainstream--and electable.

Buckley's endorsement of BHO sounds more like he took a family quarrel and went public with it, when it should have stayed in the family.

419 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:18:41am

re: #393 WrathofG-d

Hey Wrath..Did you get my email?

420 JSK1121  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:18:53am

Chances this quote will ever come up in the MSM, under/over is an optimistic 5%.

421 doppelganglander  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:18:57am

re: #338 Cognito

There was some interest here a couple of days ago in Chris Buckley's surprise endorsement for Obama. Well, the saga continues: Buckley has been fired from the magazine his father founded.

Well, he resigned, but he probably would have been fired. I don't send hate mail, but he deserved it. He's supporting Obama for even flimsier and more foolish reasons than the average moonbat. He honestly thinks Obama is going to recognize that leftist solutions will not solve our problems. Oh, and he's smart and a good writer (or at least he put his name on a couple of well-written books). Whatever he's smoking, I'll pass.

422 Beach Lover  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:19:14am

re: #385 JacksonTn

how many at sarah speech in pa she speaking now fox


I don't know but she is doing great. I think she is becoming more and more comfortable in this venue. she is refering very seldom to her notes.

423 Outrider  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:19:14am

re: #402 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

If the French can figure it out how to make nukes, I'm sure that the Israelis can, too!

I'm not doubting they have them. There is no record of any testing. I just started digging into this a little while ago and it struck me as curious.

424 realwest  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:19:37am

re: #316 Jetpilot1101
We'll get worse with Obama than we did with Carter.
Obama wants to structurally alter the way the United States of America exists; he believes in judges who legislate from the bench (SCOTUS and especially relevent, lower Federal Court judges) he want's reparations and he wants to alter the Tax Code so as to take from those who earn and give to those who don't.
We can't tolerate four years of Obama and still be the United States of America.
Can not.

425 Land Shark  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:19:45am

No doubt about, if Dumbama wins our country is in for some very distressing times. All I can do is keep talking and vote McCain / Palin no matter what the polls say. Resistance may be futile, but not resisting and giving in is suicide.

426 WindHorse  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:20:00am

I think it must be about time for Ray Najin to weigh in on things.... -oh wait, he's scheduled to shoot off his mouth tomorrow..... my bad...

427 Colonel Panik  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:20:00am

re: #346 reine.de.tout

Sixth - in some places, there some, a small number to be sure, but some, blacks descended from black slaveowners.

The last Confederate officer to surrender was a Cherokee named Stand Watie. Apparently there were quite a few Cherokee plantation owners who had slaves. Something I was unaware of until recently.

428 realwest  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:20:42am

re: #321 Kragar (proud to be kafir) WOOT! Great news! Thank you!

429 PAgirlinNC  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:21:15am

re: #326 jorline

BOGUS VOTER BOOTED AMID PROBE OF ACORN

Sounds like the Ohio vote is a cesspool for "O".

I am really worried about this happening in NC. A private university here is having 17 (yes, SEVENTEEN) days of "register and vote on the same day." I am tempted to go every day to see if I would be allowed to vote - and then show up on November 4th at my regular polling place to see if they have record that I already voted....

430 JSK1121  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:21:21am

re: #423 Outrider

I'm not doubting they have them. There is no record of any testing. I just started digging into this a little while ago and it struck me as curious.

I'm sure they've tested them, they just used their Zionist tricks to make us all forget about it. Ignorance (under evil Zionist domination) is like bubbie's brisket; bliss.

431 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:21:37am
432 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:21:51am

re: #419 HoosierHoops

I haven't checked that account yet. Will do in a bit. Then I will get back to you.

(a busy day at work today)

Is it urgent?

433 Cognito  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:22:00am

re: #421 doppelganglander

He was effectively fired. See the title on the post: [Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]sorry-dad-i-was-fired


I think he went out on a limb -- perhaps at Tina Brown's urging? -- and found it unsupported and weak. His mistake.

That said, it's a sad deal. His dad was a neat guy, and this probably damages the magazine. Although perhaps -- now beyond even Brown's devious scheming -- this will help remind people what a great magazine the National Review is.

434 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:22:21am

re: #318 Jamie

I'm perpetually saddened by the fact that I feel no choice but to buy an import. I just have a better track record with Tokyo than I do with Detroit.

Besides, many Japanese cars are assembled in the US, and American ones in Canada.

435 twincitiesgirl  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:22:26am

re: #415 yma o hyd

Really! How old is this guy? He sounds infantile and in his (very confused) mind Joe Lieberman is equivalent to Obama.

436 Vergeltung  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:22:28am

re: #396 eschew_obfuscation

I would like to suggest that those calling for reparations compare the standard of living of Afro-Americans today with today's standard of living of descendents of the African communities from which their ancestors came and see who owes who money.....

exactly. sub-saharan africans are (and always have been) way worse off.

437 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:22:30am

re: #344 HoosierHoops

Many confuse the Ohio State University flag with the State flag..
Cause OSU is more important..
/just teasing our Ohio friends

That's THE Ohio State University to you, Hoosier.

438 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:23:03am

re: #432 WrathofG-d

I haven't checked that account yet. Will do in a bit. Then I will get back to you.

(a busy day at work today)

Is it urgent?

No.. I just missed you when you logged off..

439 zombie  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:24:06am

re: #364 DeafDog

Zombie, What does the constitution have to do with anything? All of your arguments could be made against Affirmative Action, too.

Here's what:

In order for reparations to work, we'd have to resort to Jim Crow-style "one drop" genetic testing to determine who is legally black and thus who "deserves" reparations payments. And that has long ago been determined to be unconstitutional.

Say, for example, that a blond guy with blue eyes shows up at The Federal Reparations Payment Office, claiming to be black and the descendant of slaves. What are they gonna do? Say, "You don't look black to me. No money for you!" And he says, "Ah, but my great great grandfather was black. You just can't tell. You must pay up." How are we to determine if he is lying? Give him a genetic test? No can do. Jim Crow laws based on just such a concept (i.e. if you're 1/64th black you still can't use the drinking fountain, but if you're 1/128th black you can) were determined to be unconstitutional -- so reverse Jim Crow must necessarily be unconstitutional as well.

440 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:24:21am

If there is a President Obama we will no longer have to worry about illegal immigration after large chunks of the Southwest are returned to Mexico, and when the inevitable collapse of our economy makes Mexico worried about the invasion of the Gringos in search of jobs that Mexicans no longer want to do.

441 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:24:41am

re: #434 Kosh's Shadow

Besides, many Japanese cars are assembled in the US, and American ones in Canada.

I found it particularly ironic that at Daytona last year there were three manufacturers represented in the race; Toyota, Honda, and Ford. Of the three, the only one not manufacture in the U.S. was Ford.

442 transient  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:24:43am

A majority of Jews will still vote for Obama because most are disconnected from Israel, they don't factor in Obama's approach to the Mideast in their voting.

Many traditionally liberal Jewish voters who do care about Israel are putting blinders on. Other things are as important or more important, and they just "hope" that he won't be as anti-Israel as the evidence demonstrates. Many were/are very anti-Iraq war and figure the Democrats will do a better job. (Hope! Change!)

At the AIPAC convention there were even cheers when he said that solving the Israel-Pal dispute would be a priority. Evidently these folks don't understand that phrases like "increased US involvement" are code for pressuring Israel. The more left wing among them believes Israel needs to be pressured (but I guess the Palestinians don't?)

re: #90 Kosh's Shadow

I don't need Jackson, the old anti-Semite, to tell me 0bama would be bad for Israel; I can hear it from the 0 himself. But too many Jews hear what they want to hear and disregard the rest.
I knew 0bama was bad back when he said "no one suffers like the Palestinians", something that was barely mentioned when he said it - the articles actually were more on his spin, than on the original statement.

I remember that comment as well. It is all the more significant because it was made before the campaign (or possibly very early in the primary campaign). In other words, before the spin-meisters trained him; before he started Targeted Pandering the Jewish community.

It is truly amazing and frightening how everyone hears what they want to hear, and believes him to be what they want him to be. Muslims believe he is Muslim, and I have atheist friends who (besides being kneejerk Dem lever pullers) say they like him because he is the most indifferent to religion (HUH?)

443 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:24:45am

re: #437 Son of the Black Dog

That's THE Ohio State University to you, Hoosier.

I said it in my head.. my fingers forgot to type..
THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY
Better?
LOL

444 BingoBunny  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:25:03am

about the repatriations thing.. is a clause in constitution about thou shall not take property without compensation.. kinda ignored during the civil war.. for southerners in rebellion!.. for northern slave owners they almost bankrupted the USA war effort getting paid for the slaves they claimed they owned. ( most of the big plantations were owned by northern textile company's) one of Lincoln's cabinet members claimed and was paid for more slaves then the 1850 census said existed.

/nice to have friends

445 J.D.  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:25:14am

re: #443 HoosierHoops

Nice save!

446 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:25:28am

re: #423 Outrider

I'm not doubting they have them. There is no record of any testing. I just started digging into this a little while ago and it struck me as curious.

There was a possible test some time ago, near South Africa. It was rumored that a flash seen was an Israeli test, with the cooperation of SA, but the US officially said it was some kind of lightening or atmospheric phenomenon.

From what I've seen of the Israeli designs (based on books on the subject, info released by the traitor Vannunu(?)), I'd be surprised if the Israeli designs weren't very good.

Israel couldn't publicly test a nuke; they have no room, and the Arabs (and many other countries) would be screaming. Besides, it would officially mark Israel as a nuclear power, making the Arabs insist they should be, tool.

447 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:26:10am

re: #443 HoosierHoops

I said it in my head.. my fingers forgot to type..
THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY
Better?
LOL

My first job as a secretary was at THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSTIY and I learned right quick to not leave out the 'the'.

448 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:26:19am

re: #329 AuntAcid

Secret voice recording will get you "time" or at least a fine.
But go ahead. Should be fun.


Depends on what state you are in when making the call.

449 yma o hyd  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:26:31am

re: #435 twincitiesgirl

Really! How old is this guy? He sounds infantile and in his (very confused) mind Joe Lieberman is equivalent to Obama.

Dunno how old in years he is, but he behaves like a laddish schoolboy who is going to show his Dad that he can be as good as him, never mind being in the wrong.
Infantile is spot on!

450 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:26:46am

re: #447 redstateredneck

My first job as a secretary was at THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSTIY and I learned right quick to not leave out the 'the'.

and I spelled university right, too.

451 Spider Mensch  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:26:51am

scary thought of the day : even if it was proven oblama is up to his neck in acorn's fraud, and even registered the same person 73 times himself personally...to the obama followers (and msm, lest we forget who the biggest follower is) it wouldn't make a diffference to them. he is their g-d, their chosen one, and if it is good with obama it is good with them..G-d help us people of sanity if this person wins.

452 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:26:53am

OK the World Policy Forum did happen:

[Link: news.google.com...]

Article relating to events there were covered by the FT and the Independent. The event had a speech with Putin's stooge Medvedyev calling for a new world order with US doing the world's sick bidding.

Jackson attended and was the listed speaker at a breakout session entitled "what the world can expect from the world's most indispensable nation."

Taheri got the name of the conference wrong, its the World Policy Conference, but now the only questions remaining are did Jackson speak and did he make the alleged comments he did?

453 realwest  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:27:18am

re: #353 J.D. Hey {J.D.} that was a state lawsuit - but if one state lawsuit should be filed, I believe a federal suit won't be far behind.
At least I hope not.

454 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:27:42am

re: #438 HoosierHoops

Ok i responded.

455 J.D.  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:28:47am

re: #453 realwest

Hey {J.D.} that was a state lawsuit - but if one state lawsuit should be filed, I believe a federal suit won't be far behind.
At least I hope not.

Hi {realwest}. I knew you'd answer that...eventually!
Hope you're having a great day!

456 Beach Lover  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:29:01am

anyone else listening to Sarah's speech? Are there hecklers there?

457 Scion9  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:29:03am

re: #439 zombie

Here's what:

In order for reparations to work, we'd have to resort to Jim Crow-style "one drop" genetic testing to determine who is legally black and thus who "deserves" reparations payments. And that has long ago been determined to be unconstitutional.

Say, for example, that a blond guy with blue eyes shows up at The Federal Reparations Payment Office, claiming to be black and the descendant of slaves. What are they gonna do? Say, "You don't look black to me. No money for you!" And he says, "Ah, but my great great grandfather was black. You just can't tell. You must pay up." How are we to determine if he is lying? Give him a genetic test? No can do. Jim Crow laws based on just such a concept (i.e. if you're 1/64th black you still can't use the drinking fountain, but if you're 1/128th black you can) were determined to be unconstitutional -- so reverse Jim Crow must necessarily be unconstitutional as well.

Certain states already have these kind of laws on the books. I'm one of those 'blond haired, blue eyed' white people that technically qualifies as a 'minority' because I'm 1/8th Native. In another generation, say if I have a kid with an Irish woman, that child will be inelligible for the same minority benefits that I qualify for.

458 buckykat  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:29:30am

re: #446 Kosh's Shadow

Meanwhile, the Prime Minister's Office denied there had been any change in Israel's long-standing policy of nuclear ambiguity, after Olmert appeared to admit that Israel had nuclear capability in an interview with the German television network SAT 1.

459 MJBrutus  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:29:54am

re: #442 transient

A majority of Jews will still vote for Obama because most are disconnected from Israel, they don't factor in Obama's approach to the Mideast in their voting.

I know several, including my own Mom, who cares about Israel but just doesn't understand or want to believe the harm that Obama will do to Israel's security. She's been a Dem for as long as I can remember and still looks at them as being in the mold of Ed Koch. Try as I might, her "far right wing" son cannot persuade her just how much danger we and Israel are in.

460 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:30:14am

re: #442 transient

The issue however isn't Israel over the United States, as Jackson, et al) like to couch it. The United States doesn't support Israel, or make policy "for the benefit of Israel" but instead for the benefit of the United States. Israel, as a democracy in the heart of the despotic Middle East (and right near our Energy resources), serves the interests of the United States by giving the U.S. a forward base to secure our resources, and as a shining light of Democracy to her neighbors. Further, Israel is a staunch ally that gives the U.S. whatever we ask of Israel, when we need their help, and support during wars in this vital region. In addition, Israel shares American values, and is suffereing the same scourge of Terrorism, and attacks by Islamic Murderers that the U.S., and thus is part of this war on OUR side.

The Left, and those others that are Anti-Israel like to paint tiny Israel as wagging the United States, and down play the harm Israel takes for the benefit of the United States and how much they support and defend American Interests in the middle east. The truth is that Israel is supported by the United States because we use her to push our American needs/agenda in that region.

We cannot allow the "other side" to frame this argument. This isn't about Jews vs The United States.

1st, there are numerous supporters of Israel that are NOT Jewish.
2nd, the support by the United States toward Israel has nothing to do with either Liberal or Conservative JEWS.
3rd, this isn't about Israel vs The United States, but instead The Democratic Western Ideals and Values vs Despotism, Terrorism, and Islamism.

461 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:30:25am

re: #442 transient

Too many American Jews don't realize assimilation is not the same as protection. The assimilated German Jews learned this too late, but the idea that "it can't happen here" is too strong. The German Jews also thought "it can't happen here", but it did.
And an 0bama presidency, with all his anti-Semitic friends and associates, worries me. It isn't that I think 0bama will be like Hitler, but that anti-Semitism will become respectable, and that the government will look the other way at discrimination against Jews.
"Sorry, we can't employ anyone who supports Israel. Our Arab customers wouldn't like it." would be considered valid reasons for denying a job; selling products to the Saudis would be more important than standing up to discrimination.

462 ErislDysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:30:43am

HAs anyone signed the web petition?

463 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:30:44am

re: #459 MJBrutus

The issue however isn't Israel over the United States, as Jackson, et al) like to couch it. The United States doesn't support Israel, or make policy "for the benefit of Israel" but instead for the benefit of the United States. Israel, as a democracy in the heart of the despotic Middle East (and right near our Energy resources), serves the interests of the United States by giving the U.S. a forward base to secure our resources, and as a shining light of Democracy to her neighbors. Further, Israel is a staunch ally that gives the U.S. whatever we ask of Israel, when we need their help, and support during wars in this vital region. In addition, Israel shares American values, and is suffereing the same scourge of Terrorism, and attacks by Islamic Murderers that the U.S., and thus is part of this war on OUR side.

The Left, and those others that are Anti-Israel like to paint tiny Israel as wagging the United States, and down play the harm Israel takes for the benefit of the United States and how much they support and defend American Interests in the middle east. The truth is that Israel is supported by the United States because we use her to push our American needs/agenda in that region.

We cannot allow the "other side" to frame this argument. This isn't about Jews vs The United States.

1st, there are numerous supporters of Israel that are NOT Jewish.
2nd, the support by the United States toward Israel has nothing to do with either Liberal or Conservative JEWS.
3rd, this isn't about Israel vs The United States, but instead The Democratic Western Ideals and Values vs Despotism, Terrorism, and Islamism.

464 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:30:48am

re: #450 redstateredneck

and I spelled university right, too.

would anyone there even notice?
/LOL
Are you still in Ohio?

465 J.D.  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:31:02am

re: #460 WrathofG-d

We cannot allow the "other side" to frame this argument. This isn't about Jews vs The United States.

1st, there are numerous supporters of Israel that are NOT Jewish.
2nd, the support by the United States toward Israel has nothing to do with either Liberal or Conservative JEWS.
3rd, this isn't about Israel vs The United States, but instead The Democratic Western Ideals and Values vs Despotism, Terrorism, and Islamism.


Very well put.

466 subsailor68  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:31:07am

re: #448 newsjunkie_ky

Yep, posted this link in my 355 post:

Taping Laws

467 Perry  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:31:10am

re: #462 ErislDysnomia
Yes.

468 Colonel Panik  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:31:21am

re: #434 Kosh's Shadow

Besides, many Japanese cars are assembled in the US, and American ones in Canada.

My Camry was made built in Kentucky. All the Japanese car firms have assembly plants in the US now. Toyota builds cars in Lexington Kentucky and pick'em'up trucks in San Antonio Texas. Subarus are built in Indiana, Hondas in Ohio. I think Nissan has a plant in Tennessee. The largest BMW plant in the world is in Greenville-Spartanburg, South Carolina.


Toyota is as American as apple pie, sushi and basebaru.

469 DeafDog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:31:31am

re: #439 zombie

Here's what:

In order for reparations to work, we'd have to resort to Jim Crow-style "one drop" genetic testing to determine who is legally black and thus who "deserves" reparations payments. And that has long ago been determined to be unconstitutional.

Say, for example, that a blond guy with blue eyes shows up at The Federal Reparations Payment Office, claiming to be black and the descendant of slaves. What are they gonna do? Say, "You don't look black to me. No money for you!" And he says, "Ah, but my great great grandfather was black. You just can't tell. You must pay up." How are we to determine if he is lying? Give him a genetic test? No can do. Jim Crow laws based on just such a concept (i.e. if you're 1/64th black you still can't use the drinking fountain, but if you're 1/128th black you can) were determined to be unconstitutional -- so reverse Jim Crow must necessarily be unconstitutional as well.

I'm not going to make an argument to support reparations.

I concur with your logic on a moral ground. That said, the same logic should have made things like 'affirmative action' hiring and college acceptance illegal, too. But affirmative action hiring is legal. (In fact, many companies these days actually have diversity departments)

Therefore, I continue to fear that a counter-argument can be made or the reperations can be designed so as to sidestep the issue. I also fear that this will be one of the wealth redistribution tactics taken by Obama. Just to give everyone an equal chance.

470 realwest  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:31:45am

re: #408 WrathofG-d
"The Democratic Western Ideals and Values against Despotism (ie: The U.S., & Israel vs. Islamism, etc.)"
Indeed it is. Great post.

471 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:31:51am

re: #459 MJBrutus

I know several, including
my own Mom, who cares about Israel but just doesn't understand or want
to believe the harm that Obama will do to Israel's security. She's been
a Dem for as long as I can remember and still looks at them as being in
the mold of Ed Koch. Try as I might, her "far right wing" son cannot
persuade her just how much danger we and Israel are in.

My mom is the same way. She's more hawkish than I - her response to 9/11 would have her banned here, is socially conservative, but still thinks that the Democratic Party is the home of JFK.

472 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:32:10am

re: #460 WrathofG-d

I only wish I could give you more up-dings. You made some important points.

473 hermeneutics  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:32:16am

Is anyone from Arizona on now?

474 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:32:33am

re: #434 Kosh's Shadow

Besides, many Japanese cars are assembled in the US, and American ones in Canada.

American cars have been assembled in Windsor and other such places for about 100 years now.

Not that Windsor is all that foreign anyway.

475 AuntAcid  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:33:00am

re: #355 subsailor68

Actually, it may not. It appears about 41 states have "One Party" laws, which means that only one of the parties needs to be aware of the taping. And, hey, if you're aware, sure looks like you're okay. Am I right on this?

Taping Laws

I am forever amazed at the width and depth of the knowledge of Liztards. One shouldn't shoot from the lip on LGF without some basic research and not expect a comeupance.

476 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:33:02am

Unfaithful monkey gets stoned.....
A little scoop on Christopher Buckley

Christopher Buckley, author and son of late conservative icon William F. Buckley, last week surprised readers of the magazine his father founded, the National Review: “Sorry, Dad, I’m voting for Obama” was the headline on The Daily Beast blog.

Tuesday in a phone interview with the Austin American-Statesman he revealed another surprise: After NR readers raised holy heck over his perceived betrayal of the right, he offered to resign his column - and it was accepted.

“It upset a great number of people - a huge number of canceled subscriptions, apostasy, the whole thing,” he said from Washington.

When he offered his resignation to the magazine’s editors, “I was sort of hoping for, ‘Well, let’s think about it,’ ” Buckley said. “But to paraphrase Ronald Reagan, I didn’t leave the Republican Party, the Republican Party left me.”

Purge! I wonder if Hitchens is next.

477 DeafDog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:33:08am

re: #440 FurryOldGuyJeans

If there is a President Obama we will no longer have to worry about illegal immigration after large chunks of the Southwest are returned to Mexico, and when the inevitable collapse of our economy makes Mexico worried about the invasion of the Gringos in search of jobs that Mexicans no longer want to do.

If Mexico starts inviting in the Gringos with the cash and work-ethic, it could be a win-win.

478 realwest  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:33:17am

re: #410 ploome hineni
Yeah, he seems to forget that his dad effectively booted Pat Buchanan from the Conservative movement, too.
Big tent my ass - no tent's big enough for his foolishness.

479 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:33:18am

re: #462 ErislDysnomia

HAs anyone signed the web petition?


I don't know that it would be a good thing to postpone elections. Yes, I would like to see ACORN brought to task, but I don't think this is the way to do it.

480 Outrider  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:33:22am

re: #439 zombie

Here's what:

In order for reparations to work, we'd have to resort to Jim Crow-style "one drop" genetic testing to determine who is legally black and thus who "deserves" reparations payments. And that has long ago been determined to be unconstitutional.

Say, for example, that a blond guy with blue eyes shows up at The Federal Reparations Payment Office, claiming to be black and the descendant of slaves. What are they gonna do? Say, "You don't look black to me. No money for you!" And he says, "Ah, but my great great grandfather was black. You just can't tell. You must pay up." How are we to determine if he is lying? Give him a genetic test? No can do. Jim Crow laws based on just such a concept (i.e. if you're 1/64th black you still can't use the drinking fountain, but if you're 1/128th black you can) were determined to be unconstitutional -- so reverse Jim Crow must necessarily be unconstitutional as well.

Even supposing DNA testing would be legal, how would that determine eligibility? This last ten years has seen a large influx of Somali immigrants as well as other Africans. Not even counting Jamaicans and Haitians. Hell, even Sen Obama would be eligible under DNA testing method. ;-)>

481 doppelganglander  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:33:40am

re: #433 Cognito

I think he went out on a limb -- perhaps at Tina Brown's urging? -- and found it unsupported and weak. His mistake.

That said, it's a sad deal. His dad was a neat guy, and this probably damages the magazine. Although perhaps -- now beyond even Brown's devious scheming -- this will help remind people what a great magazine the National Review is.

He doesn't seem to have had any editorial influence at the magazine, so I can't see how it will do any damage, except to Christopher's reputation. I think he should probably stick with satire -- "Thank You for Smoking" was hilarious. Then, if Obie wins, in a couple of years he can write about how shocked and disappointed he is to discover that The One is a complete fraud who is carrying the country to hell in a handbasket.

482 ErislDysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:33:58am

re: #460 WrathofG-d

We cannot allow the "other side" to frame this argument. This isn't about Jews vs The United States.

There is no argument.

Jesse Jackson is an anti-semite and his continued participation in public life, like Sharpton as well, is a symptom of the same disease that has led to a shady demagogue like Obama.

483 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:33:58am
484 J.D.  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:34:02am

re: #462 ErislDysnomia

Yes sir!

485 Colonel Panik  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:34:14am

re: #473 hermeneutics

Is anyone from Arizona on now?

I'm a Zonie. I live in Ahwatukee, near Tempe and Chandler.

486 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:34:45am

re: #468 Colonel Panik

My
Camry was made built in Kentucky. All the Japanese car firms have
assembly plants in the US now. Toyota builds cars in Lexington Kentucky
and pick'em'up trucks in San Antonio Texas. Subarus are built in
Indiana, Hondas in Ohio. I think Nissan has a plant in Tennessee. The
largest BMW plant in the world is in Greenville-Spartanburg, South
Carolina.


Toyota is as American as apple pie, sushi and basebaru.

It's interesting that baseball has such a long history in Japan. Usually baseball is introduced overseas by U.S. troops - Cuba, Dominican Republic, Korea.

487 hermeneutics  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:34:55am

re: #485 Colonel Panik

Email me -- nic blue ... possible Election Night party at my house.

Hermy

488 ErislDysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:35:04am

re: #479 redstateredneck

I don't know that it would be a good thing to postpone elections. Yes, I would like to see ACORN brought to task, but I don't think this is the way to do it.

So, then, you think the election will be fair.

On what basis?

And what is your suggestion, three weeks out?

489 realwest  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:35:25am

re: #429 PAgirlinNC
Hey, do it! I'm gonna be poll watching in Matthews, N.C.
Can't take our freedoms for granted.

490 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:35:44am

Ah, I see y'all are discussing it already.

491 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:35:55am

re: #477 DeafDog

If Mexico starts inviting in the Gringos with the cash and work-ethic, it could be a win-win.

It would be more likely the same crap wages become attractive to Americans that can't find jobs because most businesses have failed from over-taxation and over-regulation by a Benevolent and Compassionate Obama Administration.

492 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:35:59am

re: #469 DeafDog

I think reparations should be on the same basis as Holocaust reparations. Any living people who were slaves can get reparations from entities (largely companies, but we could say the descendants of slaveowners) that were directly connected with owning slaves.
Let's see, slavery ended 143 years ago, or so, so anyone who was actually a slave would be...

493 J.D.  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:36:05am

re: #486 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Slight correction: Toyota builds cars in Georgetown, Kentucky. The plants that were built to supply their parts are spread around the area.

494 Spiny Norman  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:36:23am

re: #452 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

OK the World Policy Forum did happen:

[Link: news.google.com...]

Article relating to events there were covered by the FT and the Independent. The event had a speech with Putin's stooge Medvedyev calling for a new world order with US doing the world's sick bidding.

Czar Vlad the Poisoner demands the United States of America do his bidding?

Fucking puny gangster, here ya go: ..l..

495 subsailor68  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:36:38am

re: #475 AuntAcid

Please don't think I was being snarky! The only reason I thought of it at all was remembering someone telling me about Texas law (where I live).

496 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:37:01am

Rush talking about the Wisconsin Obama English text books. Now on which website did I first read that story?

497 Outrider  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:37:13am

re: #444 BingoBunny

about the repatriations thing.. is a clause in constitution about thou shall not take property without compensation.. kinda ignored during the civil war.. for southerners in rebellion!.. for northern slave owners they almost bankrupted the USA war effort getting paid for the slaves they claimed they owned. ( most of the big plantations were owned by northern textile company's) one of Lincoln's cabinet members claimed and was paid for more slaves then the 1850 census said existed.

/nice to have friends

Like Grants Father in law. Even Gen Grant owned a slave. It was the way things were done back then. The US was one of the last of the civilized countries to change, but they were already in the process of eliminating a system whose time had past.

498 realwest  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:37:15am

Well all y'all it's been grand, but I gotta go eat some lunch now!
Hope you all have a GREAT DAY and that I get the chance to see you down the road!

499 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:37:30am

re: #464 HoosierHoops

would anyone there even notice?
/LOL
Are you still in Ohio?

No, it was years ago. I really hated Columbus.

500 J.D.  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:37:37am

Later {realwest}.

501 ErislDysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:37:38am

Look, I hate to say it, anyone who won't sign the petition to delay the election "because, well, that's just not a good idea even though the election legitimacy is severely and unarguable compromised, but so what? It would be worse to postpone it and maybe get a fair outcome", is what Rush called "linguini spined."

502 semper gumbi  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:38:10am

re: #108 Jetpilot1101

OT: The Horst Wessel is now a US Coast Guard sailing ship known as the Eagle.

Even further OT: I did my last re-enlistment on the deck of the Eagle.

503 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:38:16am

re: #499 redstateredneck

No, it was years ago. I really hated Columbus.

Who doesn't? I only like them when they beat up on Ann Arbor.

504 bnichols10  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:38:31am

re: #324 zombie

You are thinking logically about this in an illogical world. Reparations are well underway already. Look at what ACORN is doing - forcing banks to give mortgages to those who cannot afford them. Now you see legislation that won't allow banks to kick out people who don't pay and law enforcement who just flat out refuse to evict people. Obama wants to give a tax cut to 95% of the people, but we know that 30% or so don't pay tax. Its a gift from the government.

It is happening now, but you will never see anything obviously state what is happening. That's how they will push this through unfortunately.

505 Beach Lover  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:38:44am

re: #496 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Rush talking about the Wisconsin Obama English text books. Now on which website did I first read that story?


why, I believe it was right here :-)

506 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:39:01am

re: #499 redstateredneck

No, it was years ago. I really hated Columbus.

Give the guy a break, OK? I've had enough Columbus-bashing since 1992!
/

507 J.D.  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:39:04am

re: #501 ErislDysnomia

A petition isn't going to delay the election, imho, but it does hopefully generate some notice amongst the powers that be.

508 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:39:24am
509 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:39:37am

re: #496 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Rush talking about the Wisconsin Obama English text books. Now on which website did I first read that story?

Was it you that posted this earlier today?

Your text to link...

510 jamgarr  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:39:40am

I'm usually a glass-half-full kind of guy - but I'll tell you something - I had damned sure better hear the word ACORN 20 times Wednesday night!

511 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:39:44am
512 Vergeltung  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:39:46am

re: #501 ErislDysnomia

Look, I hate to say it, anyone who won't sign the petition to delay the election "because, well, that's just not a good idea even though the election legitimacy is severely and unarguable compromised, but so what? It would be worse to postpone it and maybe get a fair outcome", is what Rush called "linguini spined."

ancient Chinese saying; "you heart in right prace, not you head"

513 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:39:52am

re: #465 J.D.

re: #470 realwest

Thank you both.

What scares me most is that Anti-Semites (and useful idiots) are turning the discussion about The U.S. vs. Islamists into The U.S. vs. Jews. With the downturn in the economy this is even more frightening.

Their success in being about to frame the discussion against JEWS can be evidenced by the comments here on LGF. Even those who are devoutly pro-Israel, and pro-Jews, (LGF posters) fell for the trap of automatically discussing the Jews, in response to Jesse's comments about Israel v. The U.S., which were based on the false presumption that American values/interests were not the same as Israels, &/or that the U.S. is led around by Jews/Zionists (ie: code word for Jews)

With this type of thinking, we might avoid a "war for Israel" but will instead of a Holocaust in America.

514 Desert Dog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:39:55am

re: #473 hermeneutics

Desert Dog here, currently broadcasting from the People's Republic of Tempe

515 DeafDog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:40:01am

re: #492 Kosh's Shadow

I think reparations should be on the same basis as Holocaust reparations. Any living people who were slaves can get reparations from entities (largely companies, but we could say the descendants of slaveowners) that were directly connected with owning slaves.
Let's see, slavery ended 143 years ago, or so, so anyone who was actually a slave would be...

Jesse J. & Company see the potential gravy train differently.

They will claim it is that not only slavery, but years of segregation is a permanent stain - scaring the psyche of most blacks. This scar can only be healed by cold hard cash - paid by the US Govt.

516 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:40:25am

re: #509 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Was it you that posted this earlier today?

Your text to link...

Not me, but I just know that Rush reads LGF for show prep!

517 Cato the Elder  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:40:34am

Jackson may have just cost Obama the election. If these quotes get enough play among Jewish Americans and all those "undecideds" who still think O. may be a Muslim, he can kiss his lead in the polls goodbye.

I think Jackson wants McCain to win because he's jealous that he will never be the first black prez. Goes hand in hand with his "cut off his nuts" line...

If O. has any sense he'll have Jesse kidnapped and held in at Gitmo until the election's over.

518 hermeneutics  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:40:43am

re: #514 Desert Dog

Desert Dog here, currently broadcasting from the People's Republic of Tempe

Dog, Its Hermy, broadcasting from the hills of Carefree. Email me if you want to watch the election with other LGFers. Nic blue.

519 transient  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:40:57am

If I sendt the Jesse Jackson article to my friends/relatives, they will ignore it. "Jackson has no credibility and he's not an advisor, so how does he know what Obama will do? Would you please not talk to me, I'm busy sticking my head in the sand."

Hope! Change! Delusion!

Obama's lead narrows among Jewish voters: (from Sept 30.)

We have 57 percent for Obama and 30 percent to John McCain. And what I think is really the most interesting number is we have a 13 percent who are undecided about their vote.

This represents a significant shift in the typical Jewish voting pattern. Maybe there is hope?

520 doppelganglander  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:41:03am

re: #501 ErislDysnomia

Look, I hate to say it, anyone who won't sign the petition to delay the election "because, well, that's just not a good idea even though the election legitimacy is severely and unarguable compromised, but so what? It would be worse to postpone it and maybe get a fair outcome", is what Rush called "linguini spined."

I think you need to give it a rest. It is not a good idea. If you really like the idea of the perpetually aggrieved and disenfranchised rioting in the streets, you're on your own.

521 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:41:08am

re: #488 ErislDysnomia

So, then, you think the election will be fair.

On what basis?

And what is your suggestion, three weeks out?

I don't think any election has been "fair" for a long time. As for my suggestion, I have none.

522 quesnay  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:41:11am

re: #505 Beach Lover

why, I believe it was right here :-)

This was on NRO Blog Row [Link: realdebatewisconsin.blogspot.com...]

523 JohnnyReb  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:41:25am

re: #502 semper gumbi

Even further OT: I did my last re-enlistment on the deck of the Eagle.

Cool. I did my last reenlistment on the USS CONSTITUTION.

524 jiminycricket  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:41:44am

Evian? How apt.

[Link: www.ushmm.org...]

525 JSK1121  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:41:55am

re: #517 Cato the Elder

Jackson may have just cost Obama the election. If these quotes get enough play among Jewish Americans and all those "undecideds" who still think O. may be a Muslim, he can kiss his lead in the polls goodbye.

I think Jackson wants McCain to win because he's jealous that he will never be the first black prez. Goes hand in hand with his "cut off his nuts" line...

If O. has any sense he'll have Jesse kidnapped and held in at Gitmo until the election's over.

If Obama wins and America becomes a 'fair' country according to the perception of Jackson's followers, the good reverend is finished. He profits and preys on the misery of his followers, so an Obama loss would only make him more.

526 Colonel Panik  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:42:53am

re: #446 Kosh's Shadow

There was a possible test some time ago, near South Africa. It was rumored that a flash seen was an Israeli test, with the cooperation of SA, but the US officially said it was some kind of lightening or atmospheric phenomenon.

Vela Incident

Still in dispute. Some say it was South African, some South African and Israeli, some South African and Taiwanese and others that it was not a nuke at all, but a meteor exploding in the upper atmosphere near the satellite.

527 Outrider  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:43:01am

re: #492 Kosh's Shadow

I think reparations should be on the same basis as Holocaust reparations. Any living people who were slaves can get reparations from entities (largely companies, but we could say the descendants of slaveowners) that were directly connected with owning slaves.
Let's see, slavery ended 143 years ago, or so, so anyone who was actually a slave would be...

I could buy off on that one.

If reparations were opened to sufferers of Jim Crow laws and the such; then we open ourselves up to like claims from, say..the Irish. For quite awhile there were many signs posted "help Wanted-Irish need not apply". The Chinese were discriminated against quick badly in the railroad building days. Where would it end?

528 jorline  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:43:07am

re: #429 PAgirlinNC

I am really worried about this happening in NC. A private university here is having 17 (yes, SEVENTEEN) days of "register and vote on the same day." I am tempted to go every day to see if I would be allowed to vote - and then show up on November 4th at my regular polling place to see if they have record that I already voted....

Picture ID's will help solve this problem...and I don't like this register and vote on the same day...there's no way to double check fraud. Don't put yourself in any illegal position to test the system...they would probably throw the book at you.

I beginning to think that some third world countries can pull off an election better than we can...next thing you know Carter will be in charge of monitoring the elections....crap!

529 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:43:15am

re: #501 ErislDysnomia
I'm not signing that. Don't know who started that. Isn't this what naomi wolfe and the idiot left 'predicted'? W will somehow stay in office and inforce Marshall Law.

530 jwb7605  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:43:25am

re: #521 redstateredneck

I don't think any election has been "fair" for a long time. As for my suggestion, I have none.

Double dittos.

531 semper gumbi  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:43:36am

re: #523 JohnnyReb

Cool. I did my last reenlistment on the USS CONSTITUTION.

Now that is REALLY Cool!

532 J.D.  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:43:45am

I'm off to mail a package at the post office...still have a wee bit of a hangup going to the new place that's closer. I think it has something to do with the name...Goin' Postal. *sigh*
Later, y'all.

533 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:43:50am

re: #526 Colonel Panik

Vela Incident

Still
in dispute. Some say it was South African, some South African and
Israeli, some South African and Taiwanese and others that it was not a
nuke at all, but a meteor exploding in the upper atmosphere near the
satellite.

maybe it was all of the above? A joint South African-Tawain-Israeli effort to nuke a meteor?

534 ErislDysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:44:04am

re: #512 Vergeltung

ancient Chinese saying; "you heart in right prace, not you head"

Yes, the great wisdom of the Chinese is what led them to fall for Communism, and make uniformly defective merchandise, like dog food and contaminated milk.

535 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:44:07am

re: #482 ErislDysnomia

There is no argument.

Jesse Jackson is an anti-semite and his continued participation in public life, like Sharpton as well, is a symptom of the same disease that has led to a shady demagogue like Obama.

You are 100%. However if you honestly listen to discussions about Israel, they are couched in the terms that I have stated above. This occurs on both sides of the discussion. Jews are a part of the support for Israel, but not the reason for the support. The reasons the United States supports Israel are listed above in my post. However, when most people discuss Israel it usually (although slyly) comes down to a referendum on Judaism.

Before there was an Israel, the same arguments against Israel were being made against Jews. If there is ever (G-d FORBID!) not an Israel, or the U.S. stops her support for Israel, the arguments/claims will go back to being against Jews.

536 pbird  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:44:21am

re: #79 Honorary Yooper

I wish, after I got all that asphalt patch on them here at work due to a crappy crack-seal contractor.

/BTW, it's usually less than $30 for the tire patching, sometimes as little as $15.

Les Shwab does it free here in WA.

537 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:44:30am

re: #508 ploome hineni

Detroit had more than 20 years to build a better car than the Japanese and the Europeans

and they REFUSED

I cannot beleve that it as anything other than that, because if Detroit wanted to, they could have

Bullshit. They have built better cars, and the fucking MSM keeps panning them. You folks who bitch, moan, and whine about the anti-Americanism of the MSM fail to realise that they are consistently anti-American, even to our manufacturing. If it's made in America, by and American company, or made somewhere else, by an American company, they hate it, and will pan it even if it is better.

The MSM reporters and columnists are anti-American in all ways, not just our values.

538 ErislDysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:45:12am

re: #529 newsjunkie_ky

I'm not signing that. Don't know who started that. Isn't this what naomi wolfe and the idiot left 'predicted'? W will somehow stay in office and inforce Marshall Law.

Who cares what the left predicted?

Why are you so sensitive to what they think?

539 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:45:18am

re: #506 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Give the guy a break, OK? I've had enough Columbus-bashing since 1992!
/

Or perhaps even as far back as 1492?

540 debutaunt  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:46:07am

re: #479 redstateredneck

I don't know that it would be a good thing to postpone elections. Yes, I would like to see ACORN brought to task, but I don't think this is the way to do it.

The petition could use a spell check, at the very least.

541 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:46:09am

re: #443 HoosierHoops

I said it in my head.. my fingers forgot to type..
THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY
Better?
LOL

Just pullin' your chain. I'm not OSU (or IU), but I think it's funny how the NFL players introducing themselves always say THE Ohio State University, when the others are content to simply say Clemson, or USC, etc.

542 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:46:20am
543 Vergeltung  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:46:25am

re: #534 ErislDysnomia

Yes, the great wisdom of the Chinese is what led them to fall for Communism, and make uniformly defective merchandise, like dog food and contaminated milk.

"what, you no rikey our makings? all you petition belong to us!"

544 DeafDog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:46:32am

re: #525 JSK1121

If Obama wins and America becomes a 'fair' country according to the perception of Jackson's followers, the good reverend is finished. He profits and preys on the misery of his followers, so an Obama loss would only make him more.


BS. Whether or not Obama wins America is already a fair county.

If Obama wins, we will have a perpetual outpouring to redress various inequities in the system. All of these inequiteis will be blamed on the 8 years of Bush. Maybe some won't be race-based (hard to tell, yet), but an Obama victory (teamed with Harry and Nancy) = a further step towards socialism...just look at his tax plan.

545 Spiny Norman  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:47:07am

re: #508 ploome hineni

Detroit had more than 20 years to build a better car than the Japanese and the Europeans

and they REFUSED

I cannot beleve that it as anything other than that, because if Detroit wanted to, they could have

Competition from Japan and Germany actually did force Detroit to build better vehicles (anyone who owned an American car made between the early 70s and the late 80s remembers what horrendous POS tin cans they were), but they have never been ahead of the curve: they're stuck with a huge inventory of with gus-guzzling SUVs they can't give away now, just as they were stuck with big, gas-guzzling cars 35 years ago.

546 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:47:09am

re: #529 newsjunkie_ky

I'm
not signing that. Don't know who started that. Isn't this what naomi
wolfe and the idiot left 'predicted'? W will somehow stay in office and
inforce Marshall Law.

I don't even think that Marshall has a Law program!
/

547 ErislDysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:47:09am

Fact:

Election is compromised.

Fact:

To let a compromised election proceed without correction is madness.

Fact:

Compromise of this magnitude cannot be fixed in three weeks.

Conclusion:

Either election is postponed, or we will be voting in a compromised election.

548 hazzyday  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:47:16am

One change for for sure. The concept of racism will be redefined in an Obama Administration and become part of the background philosophy of America by being reinforced in school and government programs. Racism will no longer be based on genetics and culture, but will be based on your perceived position in the world of skin color/gender power.

The other change for sure that will be typical of democrats is that they will put the onus on the taxpayer at all levels of taxes to donate to the government for the greater good. They will start to assume the traditional role of churchs as helping networks. Our mayor in Seattle already does this and would like a reason to greed more from the populace.

549 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:47:21am

re: #539 MrSilverDragon

Or perhaps even as far back as 1492?

Its all the Muslims fault. He would never have been able to oppress the poor native Americans if the Muslims hadn't agreed to be his navigators and crew.

/Well, thats CAIR's story anyway

550 Outrider  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:47:27am

re: #512 Vergeltung

ancient Chinese saying; "you heart in right prace, not you head"

Have to agree. On line petitions are exactly like the ACORN registrations. No way to validate them.

However there is one thing on-line petitions accomplish and that is provide many valid E-mail addresses for spammers to work with as most people merely add name and forward leaving all the old headers in place. ;-)>

551 Colonel Panik  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:47:29am

re: #487 hermeneutics


On my work computer now. Will click your nic from my own this evening.
You might ping Macker as well. There are a number of other lizards who are Zonies.

552 AZDave  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:48:05am

re: #4 HBob

Is the Jewish community not getting the memos on this shit or what?

They are. But, sadly, they're marked "Burn Before Reading".

553 debutaunt  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:48:13am

re: #490 Killgore Trout

Ah, I see y'all are discussing it already.

That's the fakest southern accent I've ever heard.

554 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:48:23am

re: #537 Honorary Yooper

Hey, what's with the new avatar? Once hockey season starts, you ditch the Wings?

555 doppelganglander  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:48:42am

re: #538 ErislDysnomia

Who cares what the left predicted?

Why are you so sensitive to what they think?

It's not about what the left thinks. It's about the fact that this is a nation of laws, and breaking the law, or declaring martial law, is NOT the way to counter lawbreaking by the other side. And what makes you think McCain would win a postponed election anyway? Despite the fact that Obama is trying to win by cheating, McCain is the one who would be seen as the cheater. Again, it's just not a good idea.

556 ErislDysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:48:49am

re: #543 Vergeltung

"what, you no rikey our makings? all you petition belong to us!"

Especially the crap computer programs you make.

The last Chinese programmer I had inflicted upon me, produced cryptic spaghetti code that crashed (fortunately) before it had the chance to corrupt my database.

557 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:49:04am

re: #542 ploome hineni

so you think Amerian cars are built to last, like the MBz, Toyota, Honda and Volvo?

why don;t you check resale values?

What's the realse value of a Kia? Oh, wait, it sucks too. Ploome, look at the front page of you paper sometime and count the recalls. If it's Ford or GM, it's a front page story, big font for the headline. If it's Toyota or Honda, it's buried on page 20 or not even reported at all.

Mercedes-Benz used to park the cars on the lot and retool them after assembly to get rid of any imperfections. Talk about ineffecient.

BTW, Ploome, Volvo is a Ford product.

558 JSK1121  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:49:14am

re: #544 DeafDog

BS. Whether or not Obama wins America is already a fair county.

If Obama wins, we will have a perpetual outpouring to redress various inequities in the system. All of these inequiteis will be blamed on the 8 years of Bush. Maybe some won't be race-based (hard to tell, yet), but an Obama victory (teamed with Harry and Nancy) = a further step towards socialism...just look at his tax plan.

I'm not talking about how the vast majority of our country perceives our fairness, which, IMO, is exemplary. I'm talking about grievance-mongers like Jesse Jackson and his followers. No matter what happens in the USA, we'll never be a fair and welcoming place, according to them of course.

He even said in this article that, effectively, we'll never be able to get rid of the stains of slavery. I'm sure Bush will be blamed for many of the problems by Jackson, but don't forget that he holds every white person in this country for the past 500 years responsible for something.

559 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:49:16am
560 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:49:26am

re: #543 Vergeltung

"what, you no rikey our makings? all you petition belong berong to us!"

That's more like it. Did you watch South Park last week?

561 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:49:39am

re: #394 J.D.


WARD!

And you know this how?

Is that an obscure fact or should I have known it, too?

J.D.!

562 ErislDysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:49:40am

re: #555 doppelganglander

It's not about what the left thinks. It's about the fact that this is a nation of laws, and breaking the law, or declaring martial law, is NOT the way to counter lawbreaking by the other side. And what makes you think McCain would win a postponed election anyway? Despite the fact that Obama is trying to win by cheating, McCain is the one who would be seen as the cheater. Again, it's just not a good idea.

An election postponement by the government as a result of public outcry would not be breaking the law.

563 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:49:45am

re: #538 ErislDysnomia

Who cares what the left predicted?

Why are you so sensitive to what they think?


Do you know who started that petition?
This will just add to the left going 'see the republicans are dictators' and will affect the vote.
Are you trolling?

564 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:49:59am

re: #554 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Hey, what's with the new avatar? Once hockey season starts, you ditch the Wings?

Don't want to jinx them. I had this one until playoffs. :-)

565 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:50:06am

re: #534 ErislDysnomia

Yes, the great wisdom of the Chinese is what led them to fall for Communism, and make uniformly defective merchandise, like dog food and contaminated milk.

I've often wondered how it is that it seems that while the Chinese are a very intelligent people, they don't seem to come up with very good forms of government (at least by my standards).......Hey!.....that's it! They're not using MY standards.

....hmm....Travelocity......Beijing.....Dear Leader.....3:00 pm. They're gonna love me!

566 Desert Dog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:50:17am

re: #518 hermeneutics

Carefree is nice, what is in the works with the Election Day? I could not figure out the email thingy, but mine is attacted

567 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:50:21am

re: #552 AZDave

What does it matter if the "Jewish community" is getting the memos? Jews are around 3% of the entire U.S. population. U.S. elections AREN'T about the Jews.

Furthermore, the issue however isn't Israel over the United States, as Jackson, et al) like to couch it. The United States doesn't support Israel, or make policy "for the benefit of Israel" but instead for the benefit of the United States. Israel, as a democracy in the heart of the despotic Middle East (and right near our Energy resources), serves the interests of the United States by giving the U.S. a forward base to secure our resources, and as a shining light of Democracy to her neighbors. Further, Israel is a staunch ally that gives the U.S. whatever we ask of Israel, when we need their help, and support during wars in this vital region. In addition, Israel shares American values, and is suffereing the same scourge of Terrorism, and attacks by Islamic Murderers that the U.S., and thus is part of this war on OUR side.

The Left, and those others that are Anti-Israel like to paint tiny Israel as wagging the United States, and down play the harm Israel takes for the benefit of the United States and how much they support and defend American Interests in the middle east. The truth is that Israel is supported by the United States because we use her to push our American needs/agenda in that region.

We cannot allow the "other side" to frame this argument. This isn't about Jews vs The United States.

1st, there are numerous supporters of Israel that are NOT Jewish.
2nd, the support by the United States toward Israel has nothing to do with either Liberal or Conservative JEWS.
3rd, this isn't about Israel vs The United States, but instead The Democratic Western Ideals and Values vs Despotism, Terrorism, and Islamism.

568 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:50:37am

re: #553 debutaunt

That's the fakest southern accent I've ever heard.

/sputters

But the Hillbama School of Acting brochure guaranteed 100% cracker results. It was endorsed by Bob Beckel hisself!

569 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:50:42am

re: #394 J.D.


WARD!

And you know this how?

Is that an obscure fact or should I have known it, too?

It's referenced in posts debunking the "obama is a Kenyan citizen" thing.

570 Vergeltung  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:50:52am

re: #539 MrSilverDragon

Or perhaps even as far back as 1492?

was at a big indoor water park in the Poconos (PA) this past weekend. some dude had a t-shirt on. was some indians w/ rifles. the caption said "Homeland Security : Defending againsts terrorists since 1492"

I gave him a "oh god your an idiot" look, and pumped a fist and said "Vive Columbus!"

heh.

571 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:51:04am

re: #553 debutaunt

I spent a fair bit of time below the Mason-Dixon line.

572 ErislDysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:51:16am

re: #562 ErislDysnomia

An election postponement by the government as a result of public outcry would not be breaking the law.re: #555 doppelganglander

And what makes you think McCain would win a postponed election anyway?

That's not the issue. If McCain loses fair and square, so be it.

We are not in a position, unfortunately, to have a fair and square election. THAT IS THE ISSUE.

573 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:51:16am

Damn... Jesse is on to the conspiracy!

Everyone, burn your Evil Zionist Conspiracy (tm) membership cards!

574 ackomanyuki  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:51:16am

re: #501 ErislDysnomia

Look, I hate to say it, anyone who won't sign the petition to delay the election "because, well, that's just not a good idea even though the election legitimacy is severely and unarguable compromised, but so what? It would be worse to postpone it and maybe get a fair outcome", is what Rush called "linguini spined."

As it stands now, the systems broken. An investigation would just incite the entitled even further into their state of delusional hopitude and emotional transference.

If you can't afford cash, max your credit on food and ammo and keep your head down. Its the most anyone can do to prepare for what the insanity could bring at this point.

575 Colonel Panik  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:51:19am

re: #486 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

It's interesting that baseball has such a long history in Japan. Usually baseball is introduced overseas by U.S. troops - Cuba, Dominican Republic, Korea.

I thought it came with the occupation after the war myself, but it looks like it was introduced during the Meiji Restoration when Japan was importing many ideas from the Occident.

576 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:51:21am

re: #546 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I don't even think that Marshall has a Law program!
/


oops!

577 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:51:45am

re: #529 newsjunkie_ky

I'm not signing that. Don't know who started that. Isn't this what naomi wolfe and the idiot left 'predicted'? W will somehow stay in office and inforce Marshall Law.

What's really scary about that is that, with the left's tendency to projection, we now know they would handle this......marshall law.

578 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:51:47am

re: #501 ErislDysnomia

Let's add Loss of Confidence in the Election to the Loss of Confidence in our Economy. Wonderful idea to totally collapse Western Civilization.

///

579 DeafDog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:51:51am

re: #562 ErislDysnomia

An election postponement by the government as a result of public outcry would not be breaking the law.

The election will not be postponed. Fa'get-about-it.

580 Taqiyyotomist  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:51:54am

It is time, I think, to begin mass-mailing copies of the Declaration of Independence to all the members of Congress.

When is it appropriate to ?

Is there a point at which it becomes necessary? According to our own Declaration there is, and we are long past that point. But we'll never "do it". We will go peacefully into socialism, because that
is
how
we
roll.

Sad, but true. We'll hole up in our attics like we do, we'll vote and then bitch when the election is obviously a sham. We'll sit in the attic like Anne Frikkin Frank, fearful of even mentioning, skirting words and issues like those addressed by the Declaration of Independance, like I am doing right now. Saying things like the things mentioned in that document, in Today's English, will get me banned, investigated, and imprisoned.

So we'll just sit on our asses, as always, pretending "outrage" while still really doing nothing at all. Rush says today he's surprised that we (on his side) are not all "outraged".

WTF do you want Rush? All we can f**kin do is type. And even then we have to be Oh So Careful what we type. We have no solution.

Oh, we'll Fight Fight Fight! I mean in the democratic process of course. That's all I mean, really. I mean we'll get out there and vote with all our might.

**spit

581 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:51:57am

re: #515 DeafDog

Jesse J. & Company see the potential gravy train differently.

They will claim it is that not only slavery, but years of segregation is a permanent stain - scaring the psyche of most blacks. This scar can only be healed by cold hard cash - paid by the US Govt.

The worst "scar" is due to the years of being told that Blacks can't get anywhere without affirmative action. If that's not racism, I don't know what is.

582 hazzyday  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:51:59am

Jesse the hymie hater shows his true colors again. Why do corporations give him money? Maybe we can get a new rule in place. If you are a hater no matter who you are, you go to the end of the line.

oops i can see the Dems turning this into a happy pill program. Then it would be "if you are a registered Republican and go on monitored prozac then you can vote by proxy"

583 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:51:59am

Rush was just playing clips of Tom Brokaw talking about how Americans may have to change their ideas about what kind of house they need.

Here is Tom's house. Think he will be willing to downsize?

584 ErislDysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:52:40am

Stand up for your rights.

Sign the petition for postponing the election until it can purged of rotten ACORNS.

585 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:52:57am

re: #573 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

friendly help from a fellow lizardoid.

When doing the TM thing. You can use < sup > TM < / sup > (but remove the spaces)

This will give you TM

586 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:53:00am

I'm thinking of voting for Obama in solidarity of Bill Buckley jr. Who's with me?

587 Vergeltung  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:53:04am

re: #545 Spiny Norman

Competition from Japan and Germany actually did force Detroit to build better vehicles (anyone who owned an American car made between the early 70s and the late 80s remembers what horrendous POS tin cans they were), but they have never been ahead of the curve: they're stuck with a huge inventory of with gus-guzzling SUVs they can't give away now, just as they were stuck with big, gas-guzzling cars 35 years ago.

don't forget good old, efficient, union labor.

/

588 ErislDysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:53:12am

(I started the petition, BTW)

589 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:53:18am

re: #550 Outrider

Have to agree. On line petitions are exactly like the ACORN registrations. No way to validate them.

However there is one thing on-line petitions accomplish and that is provide many valid E-mail addresses for spammers to work with as most people merely add name and forward leaving all the old headers in place. ;-)>


You are right. I signed Newt's drill petition and I'm now getting 6 or 7 'new spams' a day.

590 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:53:19am

re: #562 ErislDysnomia

Are your eyes naturally this brown?

591 Spiny Norman  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:53:28am

re: #547 ErislDysnomia

Fact:

Election is compromised.

Fact:

To let a compromised election proceed without correction is madness.

Fact:

Compromise of this magnitude cannot be fixed in three weeks.

Conclusion:

Either election is postponed, or we will be voting in a compromised election.

Conclusion: Election should go on as scheduled, but the election results should not be ratified until all fraud has been eliminated.

There's a reason why the new President in not installed until the end of January.

592 Cognito  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:53:38am

re: #562 ErislDysnomia

An election postponement by the government as a result of public outcry would not be breaking the law.

Relax.

593 PAgirlinNC  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:53:46am

re: #528 jorline

Picture ID's will help solve this problem...and I don't like this register and vote on the same day...there's no way to double check fraud. Don't put yourself in any illegal position to test the system...they would probably throw the book at you.

I beginning to think that some third world countries can pull off an election better than we can...next thing you know Carter will be in charge of monitoring the elections....crap!

I wish I had enough vacation days... I would be there every day to see if anyone tried to register/vote more than once...

I agree - the register and vote the same day process is ridiculous. There are no checks in place to insure that fraud doesn't occur. ID cards are a good idea. Then again, NC did a check of their drivers license database about a year ago and I think there were over 27,000 false social security numbers.

594 transient  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:53:53am

re: #459 MJBrutus

Yep, your mom would come under my second paragraph in #442.
"Just because most of his friends are bad people doesn't mean he's a bad person too." Well, maybe he's a lone angel, but the weight of evidence suggests that if you lie down with dogs, you're gonna have to fight a big infestation when you get up. Unfortunately the whitewash so far is hiding the fleas well enough to fool a lot of people.

595 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:53:57am

re: #585 WrathofG-d

friendly help from a fellow lizardoid.

When doing the TM thing. You can use < sup > TM < / sup > (but remove the spaces)

This will give you TM

Better than TMI

596 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:54:07am

re: #584 ErislDysnomia

Stand up for your rights.

Sign the petition for postponing the election until it can purged of rotten ACORNS.

No thanks. The last thing I need is more time to decide that I don't want Obama as the president.

597 Cognito  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:54:14am

re: #588 ErislDysnomia

(I started the petition, BTW)

Ah. And there it is.

598 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:54:27am

Why is the market down 270 points?

599 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:54:42am

re: #585 WrathofG-d

Sweet tm

Thanks!

600 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:55:09am

re: #586 Killgore Trout

I'm thinking of voting for Obama in solidarity of Bill Buckley jr. Who's with me?

Leave the brown acid alone, KT.

601 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:55:17am

re: #560 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That's more like it. Did you watch South Park last week?

I did, and I must say, I got a little unnerved by the 'rape' scenes.

602 Cognito  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:55:20am

re: #590 FurryOldGuyJeans

I've seen you, or someone here, say that before. What does it mean?

603 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:55:23am

re: #588 ErislDysnomia

(I started the petition, BTW)

You might want to reread your heading.

604 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:55:47am

re: #587 Vergeltung

don't forget good old, efficient, union labor.

/

You mean paying everyone who every worked for you full pay & benefits after they retire isn't a good idea?

605 subsailor68  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:56:08am

re: #598 MandyManners

I just saw that. I read (or heard) somewhere that Tuesdays and Fridays are often profit-taking days. Perhaps it's something like that? (After the huge gains yesterday?)

606 DeafDog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:56:09am

re: #586 Killgore Trout

I'm thinking of voting for Obama in solidarity of Bill Buckley jr. Who's with me?

If we are gonna be moonbats, can we at least vote for Nadar? I know he's not corrupt.

607 doppelganglander  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:56:14am

re: #562 ErislDysnomia

An election postponement by the government as a result of public outcry would not be breaking the law.

Federal law makes no provision for postponing a federal election. This blog post from 2004 discusses the question in relation to a possible terror attack on or near election day. It's too long to quote but the point is there's no legal method for postponing a federal election, and it would psychologically devastating to Americans to do so.

608 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:56:16am

re: #602 Cognito

I've seen you, or someone here, say that before. What does it mean?

Because they're so full of crap....

609 Cognito  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:56:17am

re: #598 MandyManners

Why is the market down 270 points?

Same reason it was down thousands of points the other day. It's just wobbling. The big bounce yesterday wasn't a correction, just a swing.

610 Outrider  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:56:42am

re: #562 ErislDysnomia

An election postponement by the government as a result of public outcry would not be breaking the law.

Election Day is established by congressional law, being conducted on the Tuesday following the first Monday of November between the days of November 2 and November 8, inclusively.

It would take longer to convene congress and enact any kind of change than we have until the election. I'm not sure of the legalities of changing a congressional law anyway. Anyone out there?

611 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:56:42am

re: #598 MandyManners

Why is the market down 270 points?

Because it was up yesterday. It's 'down's' turn today. /

612 Vergeltung  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:56:53am

re: #560 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That's more like it. Did you watch South Park last week?

no, I don't catch it as much as I would like to. I do, however, rely on this site for a fix here and there....

[Link: www.southparkstudios.com...]

613 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:57:02am

re: #586 Killgore Trout

I'm thinking of voting for Obama in solidarity of Bill Buckley jr. Who's with me?

I don't know whether to gaze or beat my head on the keyboard.
(-:

614 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:57:08am

re: #606 DeafDog

Good point Nader is much more pure ideologically.

615 Spiny Norman  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:57:31am

re: #598 MandyManners

Why is the market down 270 points?


Day-trader profit-taking after yesterday's record run-up?

616 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:57:51am

re: #613 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Heh.

617 subsailor68  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:58:12am

re: #615 Spiny Norman

That's kind of what I was thinking as well.

618 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:58:12am
619 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:58:22am

re: #612 Vergeltung

no, I don't catch it as much as I would like to. I do, however, rely on this site for a fix here and there....

[Link: www.southparkstudios.com...]

Butters & Cartman indulged in some over-the-top Chinese stereotyping & now The Perpetually Outraged are in a real tizzy.

620 reine.de.tout  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:58:37am

re: #602 Cognito

I've seen you, or someone here, say that before. What does it mean?

maybe it mean he thinks they guy is full of sh*t?

621 mattm  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:58:38am

re: #4 HBob

Is the Jewish community not getting the memos on this shit or what?

By the looks of it, sadly, no.

622 debutaunt  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:58:44am

re: #547 ErislDysnomia

Fact:

Election is compromised.

Fact:

To let a compromised election proceed without correction is madness.

Fact:

Compromise of this magnitude cannot be fixed in three weeks.

Conclusion:

Either election is postponed, or we will be voting in a compromised election.

The only explanation I can think of for what Acorn has done is they wanted to create an election that is like a third word election.

623 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:58:50am

re: #614 Killgore Trout

Good point Nader is much more pure ideologically.

Shit. Nader's the only guy on Earth right now that could make me vote for Obama to defeat him! Fortunately, I can vote for John McCain. :-)

624 Scion9  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:59:02am

re: #565 eschew_obfuscation

I've often wondered how it is that it seems that while the Chinese are a very intelligent people, they don't seem to come up with very good forms of government (at least by my standards).......Hey!.....that's it! They're not using MY standards.

....hmm....Travelocity......Beijing..... Dear Leader.....3:00 pm. They're gonna love me!

The Chinese were historically prone to Communist ideology. Well before Communism came along there were attempts at forced equality, by outlawing the customs of particular cultures, and the shattering of ethnic/national borders in an attempt to socially engineer a single homogynous Chinese people.

At this point in their history, the Chicom government is just a particularly long lived and relatively successful Emperor.

625 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:59:05am

re: #588 ErislDysnomia

No wonder you are being such a pimp about it. Read the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution again and get a clue.

626 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:59:20am

re: #616 Killgore Trout

Heh.

But since that post, you have reached the "nadir".

627 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:59:41am

re: #623 Honorary Yooper

Shit.
Nader's the only guy on Earth right now that could make me vote for
Obama to defeat him! Fortunately, I can vote for John McCain. :-)

McCain may not want your vote - that might be considered too "partisan."

628 offendi  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 11:59:42am

Read the Taheri article and e-mailed it around. Nice to see Jesse
" Hymietown" Jackson practicing some honesty here, but he is just confirming what intelligent observers (non-acorn registrees) could figure out, anyway. Most people don't know what the US gets back from its relationship with Israel, where the value is, beyond Israel being the only democracy in the Middle East.

Simply put, people in America need to decide if they want a Peron or Mugabe type Presidency, which is what Obama will end up being. Redistributing people's income to the non-working and non-productive, driving small business into the toilet, and making massive public work projects for the lumpen proletariat that are still looked down on by these same democrats. A chicken in every pot and everyone is "equal". Scary stuff in a country with our history of democratic government. On the other hand I always thought if we ended up with fascism in this country it would come from the left, not the right.

One thing I did do is decide to volunteer to drive people to the polls. We all need to stand up to this shit, and ignore whether McCain wants to win or not.

629 Spiny Norman  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:00:15pm

re: #624 Scion9

At this point in their history, the Chicom government is just a particularly long lived and relatively successful Emperor.

Ding!

631 Vergeltung  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:00:32pm

re: #586 Killgore Trout

I'm thinking of voting for Obama in solidarity of Bill Buckley jr. Who's with me?

Bill Jr., is with St. Peter now. You must mean his son Chris....

632 Scion9  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:00:33pm

re: #586 Killgore Trout

I'm thinking of voting for Obama in solidarity of Bill Buckley jr. Who's with me?

Me too. I'm concerned by the negativity of McCain's campaign, and I'm not willing to do Obama the disservice of believing that he is stupid enough to believe the things that he says.

633 maddogg  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:00:41pm

re: #537 Honorary Yooper

Bullshit. They have built better cars, and the fucking MSM keeps panning them. You folks who bitch, moan, and whine about the anti-Americanism of the MSM fail to realise that they are consistently anti-American, even to our manufacturing. If it's made in America, by and American company, or made somewhere else, by an American company, they hate it, and will pan it even if it is better.

The MSM reporters and columnists are anti-American in all ways, not just our values.

Absolutely, positively, unequivocally correct!

634 doppelganglander  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:00:43pm

re: #572 ErislDysnomia

That's not the issue. If McCain loses fair and square, so be it.

We are not in a position, unfortunately, to have a fair and square election. THAT IS THE ISSUE.

And following your suggestion would guarantee he would lose. I am all in favor of exposing ACORN's dirty tricks, connecting the dots to Obama, tossing out known fake registrations, and anything else that can be done within the law in the next 3 weeks. I'm in favor of spending the next 4 years tightening the laws governing registration and voter ID. In short, I am in favor of working within the law, which is what conservatives do. Changing the rules in mid-game is what leftists do. See Bush v. Gore, 2000 for more details.

I'm done here.

635 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:00:51pm

re: #602 Cognito

I've seen you, or someone here, say that before. What does it mean?

It is MY polite ways of telling the poster I think they are totally full of shit. And I believe I am the only one asking the question. ;)

636 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:00:53pm

re: #591 Spiny Norman

Conclusion: Election should go on as scheduled, but the election results should not be ratified until all fraud has been eliminated.

There's a reason why the new President in not installed until the end of January.


Yep, and you wrote it so well.
Thanks.

637 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:01:00pm

re: #626 pre-Boomer Marine brat

After scrolling through the comments at Hot Air on the Buckley thing I'm thinking the right is taking itself too seriously. There's danger of the right becoming the new left.

638 Spiny Norman  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:01:02pm

re: #629 Spiny Norman

Ding!

Oh wait! That could be construed as "racist".

I must denounce myself.

639 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:01:27pm

re: #609 Cognito

The markets are schizophrenic (or bipolar) or fill in the blank for the mental disorder of the day...

There's no direction in the market because those who are buying and selling don't know what to do with their money..

Today's dropoff is due in part to profittaking from yesterday, but could signal weakness in the government's latest move to buy shares in banks...

640 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:01:31pm

Gotta do some work.
Later, lizards.

641 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:01:37pm

re: #609 Cognito

Same reason it was down thousands of points the other day. It's just wobbling. The big bounce yesterday wasn't a correction, just a swing.

WHAT! The market isn't always stable? This is blasphemy and must be part of a ZioCon PLOT!

642 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:02:13pm

re: #598 MandyManners

Why is the market down 270 points?

Profit taking. Everyone is so spooked we will be seeing a lot of that...

643 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:02:39pm

re: #635 FurryOldGuyJeans

It is MY polite ways of telling the poster I think they are totally full of shit. And I believe I am the only one asking the question. ;)

No need to repeat what was already eloquently stated. :)

644 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:03:13pm

re: #621 mattm

I am a broken record on this thread...but it has to be said again! THIS ELECTION ISN'T ABOUT THE JEWS. Support for Israel is not, and should not, be a JEWISH thing. To support Israel is to support the United States.

The issue isn't Israel over the United States, as Jackson, et al, like to couch it. The United States doesn't support Israel, or make policy "for the benefit of Israel" but instead for the benefit of the United States. Israel, as a democracy in the heart of the despotic Middle East (and right near our Energy resources), serves the interests of the United States by giving the U.S. a forward base to secure our resources, and as a shining light of Democracy to her neighbors. Further, Israel is a staunch ally that gives the U.S. whatever we ask of Israel, when we need their help, and support during wars in this vital region. In addition, Israel shares American values, and is suffereing the same scourge of Terrorism, and attacks by Islamic Murderers that the U.S., and thus is part of this war on OUR side.

The Left, and those others that are Anti-Israel like to paint tiny Israel as wagging the United States, and down play the harm Israel takes for the benefit of the United States and how much they support and defend American Interests in the middle east. The truth is that Israel is supported by the United States because we use her to push our American needs/agenda in that region.

We cannot allow the "other side" to frame this argument. This isn't about Jews vs The United States.

1st, there are numerous supporters of Israel that are NOT Jewish.
2nd, the support by the United States toward Israel has nothing to do with either Liberal or Conservative JEWS.
3rd, this isn't about Israel vs The United States, but instead The Democratic Western Ideals and Values vs Despotism, Terrorism, and Islamism.

645 hazzyday  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:03:28pm

5 Afghanistan Scholars at Seattle UW go missing

I guess they have better things to do.

646 reine.de.tout  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:03:39pm

re: #633 maddogg

Absolutely, positively, unequivocally correct!

Very best vehicle I've owned in the past 15 years was my Chevy Tahoe.
Loved it just loved it. No mechanical problems with it, ever, in the 8 years I had it.

647 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:04:19pm

re: #643 MrSilverDragon

No need to repeat what was already eloquently stated. :)

I just prefer to be obnoxiously polite to those that don't deserve such niceties and ask the question.

648 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:04:36pm
649 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:05:25pm

re: #637 Killgore Trout

After scrolling through the comments at Hot Air on the Buckley thing I'm thinking the right is taking itself too seriously. There's danger of the right becoming the new left.

Really? I think I'll bang my head on the keyboard. Without seeing what you're talking about, I'll grant the possibility. Polarization is certainly contagious.

650 Vergeltung  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:05:39pm

re: #604 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

You mean paying everyone who every worked for you full pay & benefits after they retire isn't a good idea?

ya think? ;)

651 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:05:50pm
652 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:06:16pm

re: #649 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Really? I think I'll bang my head on the keyboard. Without seeing what you're talking about, I'll grant the possibility. Polarization is certainly contagious.

I've been wondering for a while if once Obama wins, we are going to all get a bad case of ODS.

653 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:06:30pm

re: #651 ploome hineni

Charles, the comment box keps skipping up and down

dfficult to get " and other fuctions the first time as the whole page skips up and down

Time to sober up?

654 lostlakehiker  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:06:47pm

re: #386 ErislDysnomia

Terrible idea. Elections must go forward no matter what. If 9/11 happened during the voting, you MIGHT make an exception for New York City.

ACORN vote fraud is not a drastic enough emergency that the voting simply cannot go forward. The Democrats are going to have to decide if they want an absolutely lawless nation where elections are meaningless because ACORN has more votes in its hip pocket than the mere 200 million genuinely registered real live voters, one vote each.

Any Democrat who has faced, or might face, a primary challenge from ACORNs or other nutcases might blanch at the prospect of NO RULES for elections.

655 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:06:48pm

re: #648 ploome hineni

you forgot to mention the Ugo Yugo and the Fiat

656 maddogg  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:06:56pm

re: #646 reine.de.tout

Very best vehicle I've owned in the past 15 years was my Chevy Tahoe.
Loved it just loved it. No mechanical problems with it, ever, in the 8 years I had it.

I've always gotten excellent service from my Chevys. I currently have a Camaro with 150,000 miles and burns no oil at all, and a Colorado pickup. The other vehicles I own are Jeep.

657 Dave the.....  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:07:14pm

Check out NRO and Michelle Malkin.......Racine Wisconsin public school has a new 8th grade textbook. Just came out this week. It has 15 pages promoting Obama in it.

Creepy Obama worshipping in our gov't run schools.

658 subsailor68  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:07:19pm

re: #653 FurryOldGuyJeans

It seems to help if I close one eye and keep at least one foot on the floor. :-)

659 Twilight  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:07:38pm

Thanks Jesse. Your comment did what I could not. You managed to convince the die-hard Democratic Jews from my family not only to vote McCain/Palin, but to switch support to GOP, even if temporarily. An act of this magnitude is like a miracle from god, oh wait....

660 transient  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:07:54pm

re: #460 WrathofG-d

I certainly agree with you that US policy towards Israel has little to do with sucking up to the Jews. As you say, it is well founded in the understanding that Israel is a strategic ally. However, that doesn't mean that there would not be significant differences in the way Obama would handle the situation, to the detriment of Israel.

Jackson may have framed the argument as Jews/Israel vs. the US, but Obama has not. He is keeping well clear of that, because it's a losing approach. Only the extreme left (and the extreme right) frame it that way. Obama has gone out of his way to express support for Israel. It's just that a lot of us frankly don't believe him, since his "support" only revved up once he was seriously campaigning.

It is clear that to the extent that Obama has lost the traditional Democratic support of Jewish voters, it is due mostly to questions about his support for Israel, Reverend Wright, and perhaps the Muslim connection.

661 Dave the.....  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:08:14pm
Very best vehicle I've owned in the past 15 years was my Chevy Tahoe.
Loved it just loved it. No mechanical problems with it, ever, in the 8 years I had it.

I've always gotten excellent service from my Chevys. I currently have a Camaro with 150,000 miles and burns no oil at all, and a Colorado pickup. The other vehicles I own are Jeep.

I own a 2000 GM Pontica Grand Am with 155,000. Only had 2 problems with it. Water pump and something else. GM makes great cars.

662 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:08:18pm

re: #652 WrathofG-d

I've been wondering for a while if once Obama wins, we are going to all get a bad case of ODS.

Anyone that is not in full-blown dutiful worship of the Divine Messiah will be treated as an apostate and having the mental illness of ODS.

663 Scion9  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:08:36pm

re: #637 Killgore Trout

After scrolling through the comments at Hot Air on the Buckley thing I'm thinking the right is taking itself too seriously. There's danger of the right becoming the new left.

The 'Old Right' guys like Pat Buchanan, the paleo-Leftists like George Wallace, and the current 'Far Left' of today have a lot in common even if they don't want to admit it about themselves. The 'Old Right' is still a force in politics, albeit a marginalized one. Their voice on the internet is certainly a lot louder than it is in real life however. Ron Paul being the case in point.

664 SagamoreGal  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:08:39pm

Somewhere secretly coded into Jesse, Louis, and Obama's statements about the "Jooooos" is "we'll give you Uganda in exchange for Israel. You have to be out of Israel in six months".

665 doppelganglander  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:08:55pm

re: #654 lostlakehiker

Terrible idea. Elections must go forward no matter what. If 9/11 happened during the voting, you MIGHT make an exception for New York City.

As a matter of fact, 9/11 was Election Day in NYC (mayor and city council members, I believe.) It was postponed, but postponing a primary in one city is vastly different than postponing the general election in a presidential election year.

666 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:09:04pm

Apparently French Youts were not big fans of Battlefied Earth either;

Travolta film victim of violence in French project

PARIS (AP) - Officials say that a John Travolta movie has suspended filming in one of the Paris area's toughest housing projects after 10 cars to be used in the movie were burned.

667 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:09:17pm

re: #645 hazzyday

5 Afghanistan Scholars at Seattle UW go missing

I guess they have better things to do.

We can always hope not.

668 kcladderman  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:09:30pm

re: #654 lostlakehiker

9/11 did happen on an election day didn't it?

669 maddogg  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:09:48pm

re: #648 ploome hineni

you forgot to mention the Ugo and the Fiat

for you the exceptons make the rule

believe what you want

people put their money where the value is..over time

So, the wise American people are about to get good value for their tax dollar by voting in the Communist? Well shut my mouth.

670 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:10:01pm

re: #658 subsailor68

It seems to help if I close one eye and keep at least one foot on the floor. :-)

Then you are not drinking enough. When you can still hang on when you are stretched out on the floor means too much blood in your alcohol-stream. ;)

671 ErislDysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:10:12pm

re: #589 newsjunkie_ky

You are right. I signed Newt's drill petition and I'm now getting 6 or 7 'new spams' a day.

Yep, I guess it's worse to sign online petitions and get spammed than to have a fair Presidential election.

672 offendi  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:10:35pm

re: #567 WrathofG-d

Taheri, an Iranian by birth, is no friend of Iran's Mullahs, or apparently an Obama-type policy of "talking". The Iranians recently shafted naive Obama on that one, requiring pre-conditions to talk to the USA.

One thing you neglected is that Israel works with the United States on weapons development, helping our defense and giving our military improved and better quality equipment in the field. Israel in the past was relied on to test our weapons under battle conditions. Israeli military strategy has also been used in the fight against insurgents in Iraq.

673 midwestgak  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:10:36pm

re: #628 offendi

One thing I did do is decide to volunteer to drive people to the polls. We all need to stand up to this shit, and ignore whether McCain wants to win or not.

Hey Offendi - I've posted this before: I live in the bluest of blue stats (IL) which in not even in play in this election, but I'm gonna vote anyway. Each vote matters, whether or not it can win the electoral college. Did I hear popular vote?

674 debutaunt  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:10:48pm

re: #584 ErislDysnomia

Stand up for your rights.

Sign the petition for postponing the election until it can purged of rotten ACORNS.

Please have the petition spell checked before it is sent anywhere.

675 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:11:02pm

re: #651 ploome hineni

Charles, the comment box keps skipping up and down

dfficult to get " and other fuctions the first time as the whole page skips up and down

Yes, Charles, I've been having the same problem since yesterday.

(IE7)

676 subsailor68  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:11:05pm

re: #670 FurryOldGuyJeans

LOL! (burp)

677 ErislDysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:11:20pm

re: #591 Spiny Norman

Conclusion: Election should go on as scheduled, but the election results should not be ratified until all fraud has been eliminated.

Good idea, but you suppose a fair adjudication process.

BAD ASSUMPTION.

678 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:11:30pm

re: #666 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Apparently French Youts were not big fans of Battlefied Earth either;

Travolta film victim of violence in French project

Travolta to yoots: "Up your nose with a sharia hose"

679 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:11:31pm

re: #659 Twilight

Thanks Jesse. Your comment did what I could not. You managed to convince the die-hard Democratic Jews from my family not only to vote McCain/Palin, but to switch support to GOP, even if temporarily. An act of this magnitude is like a miracle from god, oh wait....

Jackson: "..you are welcome. Psst.. tell no one.. that is my goal.. to make certain Obama loses. For if he wins my prominence as a champion of equal rights is diminished. As a matter of fact, I'd be out of work."

680 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:11:49pm

re: #675 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Yes, Charles, I've been having the same problem since yesterday.

(IE7)

Same here...

681 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:11:50pm

re: #656 maddogg

I've always gotten excellent service from my Chevys. I currently have a Camaro with 150,000 miles and burns no oil at all, and a Colorado pickup. The other vehicles I own are Jeep.

I had a 1996 Firebird for three years. In that time (all under warranty), I
1) Replaced the differential
2) Replaced the radio
3) Had retractable headlight mechanism fixed
4) Had loose interior plastic siding replaced
5) Had leak in the sunroof fixed.

THEN.....

I got a call from GMAC wanting $1,000 to continue the warranty for another 10,000 miles! A preview of what I would have had to spend to keep the car running for another 10,000 miles.

I decided then and there that it was time to sell.

682 FrogMarch  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:12:30pm
683 ErislDysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:12:36pm

re: #674 debutaunt

Please have the petition spell checked before it is sent anywhere.

Yes, I guess that is the critical factor in this election.

Spelling.

684 bosforus  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:13:04pm

What are the chances Charles will flip the green theme on lgf to orange for Halloween?

685 opnion  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:13:08pm

I just logged on & Probably everything has been said , but IO would like tpo relate a quick story.
As a kid I was a goferf on a construction site.
Jessee Jackson & a group showed up complaining about not enough Blacks on the job, which was false.
The contractor aske him how much? He named his price, the guy filled an envelope & problem solved.

686 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:13:13pm

re: #675 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Yes, Charles, I've been having the same problem since yesterday.

(IE7)

Here, too. And the bold/quote/etc. buttons are all weird, and not working correctly.

687 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:13:25pm

re: #655 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

you forgot to mention the Ugo Yugo and the Fiat

Don't forget the Hugo - Venezuela's Boss new car!

688 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:13:41pm

re: #652 WrathofG-d

I've been wondering for a while if once Obama wins, we are going to all get a bad case of ODS.

/there's a pun in there, but given the seriousness of the issue, I'll refrain ... and merely give a loud YES!

689 runrabbitrun  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:13:42pm

re: #622 debutaunt

The only explanation I can think of for what Acorn has done is they wanted to create an election that is like a third word election.


If this election is taken by Obama in Ohio/random Acorn-investigation swing state by a couple thousand votes, I can't see how we're NOT going to have a month exactly like November 2000.

::going to the store to stock up on wine, cigarettes, Fritos, and stomach acid reducers:: (and I'm not even a drinker/smoker)

690 willowone  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:13:46pm

re: #661 Dave the.....
91 Suburban used for business still going strong 200k miles one compressor later.

691 SagamoreGal  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:13:49pm

It's coming soon to this country...you can take it to the bank.

By 2020, there will no admittance of Jews into the Ivy League colleges, Georgetown, MIT, et al (in other words, those universities that have sold themselves to Saudi $$$ and/or Marxists over the last ten years).

They will be a non-existent category on most college campuses, except for those in the Southern states.

The Jews will still be in denial.

692 ErislDysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:14:03pm

Hannity just now:

"We must not allow ACORN to steal this election."

Sure, let's just wish upon a star that the problems can be corrected in three weeks, and/or that the adjudication process post-election will be fair at a time when cirruption is beynd rampant.

Makes me feel quite confident.

693 DaddyG  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:14:16pm

re: #243 big L

OT have you seen the new flag? Yes, when ObaMA was speechifying on the economy, there were flags behicn him on thedais. Two were USA flags and the other two were Obama flags. the y have a giant "O" where the stars are and the background is shaped like a triangle into the area where the stripes are. The stripes are real wide and fewer in number.... I was shocked

Don't get too excited - hint: He was speaking in Ohio

694 midwestgak  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:14:30pm

re: #644 WrathofG-d

To support Israel is to support the United States.

Hey Wrath - 100% correct. 100% agreement. Thanks for making the point. I've made it many times in other threads.

Cudos

695 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:14:36pm

re: #663 Scion9

Good point about Ron Paul. One of the Hot Air commenters noted that Deryshire still writes for Nat. Review and he is a Ron Paul shill. IIRC he's also a Vlaams Belang supporter.

696 JCM  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:14:50pm

Damn, Jesse's onto us!
Who squealed?
/

697 ErislDysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:15:01pm

re: #622 debutaunt

The only explanation I can think of for what Acorn has done is they wanted to create an election that is like a third word election.

You need any other?

698 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:15:02pm

Barone: Obama Supporters May Spew More Hate Than McCain Backers

My Creators Syndicate column for this week has kicked up some controversy. In it I compile a list of ways in which liberals and Barack Obama supporters seem ready to suppress speech they don't like. A standard meme of mainstream media last week was that John McCain crowds were seething with hate—based on the responses of one or two people in the crowd. That's in line with mainstream media journalists' stereotype of right wingers: They're all haters. But you can find at least as much seething, and I suspect more, on the left. Obama supporters have planned to lob molotov cocktails at McCain events, for example. Or consider the instances in Michelle Malkin's roundup or Patterico's description of an ugly Obama rally. Or read this entry on Andrew Malcolm's Los Angeles Times blog.

Or consider these choice comments from a Daily Kos commenter:

699 opnion  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:15:11pm

CNN is now busily smearing Sarah Palin , attempting to tie her to the Alaskan Indepenent Party. It is that goof Rick Sanchez & he is torturing the facts.

700 capitalist piglet  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:15:13pm

re: #645 hazzyday

5 Afghanistan Scholars at Seattle UW go missing

I guess they have better things to do.

That's pretty weird. What do you suppose is going on?

I keep thinking it would behoove me to move away from Seattle.

701 Twilight  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:15:21pm

re: #679 unrealizedviewpoint

LOL!

702 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:15:25pm

re: #651 ploome hineni

Charles, the comment box keps skipping up and down

dfficult to get " and other fuctions the first time as the whole page skips up and down

It's not just me?

703 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:15:26pm

re: #665 doppelganglander

As a matter of fact, 9/11 was Election Day in NYC (mayor and city council members, I believe.) It was postponed, but postponing a primary in one city is vastly different than postponing the general election in a presidential election year.

Unless there is a GENERAL postponement, a localized postponement would make the current ACORN fraud look like a minor irritant. The 2004 Gubernatorial fiasco (multiple selective recounts) in Washington State is a prime example of what might happen. And a general postponement for this election would only encourage the fraud to become worse. Not a good situation, but no election will ever be totally clean when power is at stake.

704 DaddyG  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:15:37pm

re: #693 DaddyG

Don't get too excited - hint: He was speaking in Ohio

Right - read a few before posting... I see I'm late to the party.

705 offendi  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:15:58pm

re: #673 midwestgak

One thing I did do is decide to volunteer to drive people to the polls. We all need to stand up to this shit, and ignore whether McCain wants to win or not.

Hey Offendi - I've posted this before: I live in the bluest of blue stats (IL) which in not even in play in this election, but I'm gonna vote anyway. Each vote matters, whether or not it can win the electoral college. Did I hear popular vote?

Mine is Blue too. People have to make a statement. The more popular votes against Barry O in these states, the more Barry, Nancy, Harry, and Bwarney understand that even if Barry does win they don't have carte blanche.

706 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:16:15pm

re: #695 Killgore Trout

Good point about Ron Paul. One of the Hot Air commenters noted that Deryshire still writes for Nat. Review and he is a Ron Paul shill. IIRC he's also a Vlaams Belang supporter.

Hasn't he spoken out against the Discovery Institute and ID, too? Mass of contradictions, that one...

707 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:16:25pm

re: #690 willowone

91 Suburban used for business still going strong 200k miles one compressor later.

My Dad's old 77 Suburban was the best vehicle we ever had. You could fit your whole life in that thing.

708 krycek  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:16:27pm
709 Vergeltung  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:16:40pm

re: #683 ErislDysnomia

Yes, I guess that is the critical factor in this election.
Spelling.

look, chief, your poll spamming notwithstanding, the guy's just trying to give you some advice. take it.

mis-spelled words give the wrong impression, are unprofessional, and make the poll look like some nutbag in his mom's basement made it.

well. um,....everything except the last part.

maybe.

710 ErislDysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:17:11pm

re: #691 SagamoreGal

By 2020, there will no admittance of Jews into the Ivy League colleges, Georgetown, MIT, et al (in other words, those universities that have sold themselves to Saudi $$$ and/or Marxists over the last ten years).

This will actually be good for the Jews - no more contamination by leftist professors - and bad for the universities (they will stew in their own juice).

Here's one for Yale (powerpoint on corruption).

711 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:17:13pm

re: #676 subsailor68

LOL! (burp)

You've been into the gilly juice again!

712 tfc3rid  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:17:24pm

re: #668 kcladderman

9/11 did happen on an election day didn't it?

Yes, it occurred on Primary Day here in NYC... Elections were cancelled... They occurred about 3 weeks later...

713 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:17:36pm

re: #700 capitalist piglet

That's pretty weird. What do you suppose is going on?

I keep thinking it would behoove me to move away from Seattle.

The mayor and general moonbat atmosphere, in my opinion. Seattle is not healthy for Democracy.

714 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:17:37pm
715 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:17:40pm

re: #691 SagamoreGal

It's coming soon to this country...you can take it to the bank.

By
2020, there will no admittance of Jews into the Ivy League colleges,
Georgetown, MIT, et al (in other words, those universities that have
sold themselves to Saudi $$$ and/or Marxists over the last ten years).

They will be a non-existent category on most college campuses, except for those in the Southern states.

The Jews will still be in denial.

The ones in Egypt will literally be in da Nile.

716 soccerdad  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:17:45pm

re: #24 pegcity

the left want to tear down our society and replace it with a godless commie one world organisation.

Bingo Peg. And it simply ain't gonna happen.

I was worried in 2004 about Kerry getting in, thinking that the country would be way worse off.
Today, a BHO presidency would simply destroy the America that we know. No support for Israel, no self reliance, cradle to grave everything...Done...simply done.

The MSM seems to be catching the drift, slowly but surely, that this guy is REALLY bad news, like all out communism bad news. Telling the plumber that "we need to make it fair for the people behind him". Telling a college student whining that she's 25K in debt that 'we'll get you help with that'.

McCain in an McGovern-esque electoral landslide. Take it to the bank.

717 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:17:56pm

re: #671 ErislDysnomia

Yep, I guess it's worse to sign online petitions and get spammed than to have a fair Presidential election.


You are really funny.

718 SFGoth  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:18:08pm

re: #299 realwest

Yeah, but most people forget that Bush had congressional backing and UN authorization for Iraq and, of course, congressional backing for Afghanistan.

You don't think Obama will have Congressional authority not to defend Israel? Are we obligated by treaty to do so? C'mon folks, not only is abandoning Israel not impeachable, a thoroughly Dem Congress ain't going to to do it.

719 Russkilitlover  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:18:10pm

re: #652 WrathofG-d

I've been wondering for a while if once Obama wins, we are going to all get a bad case of ODS.

Depends on his policies. Depends on his cabinet choices. Depends on the legislation he signs into law. Depends, in other words, on his deeds in office.

720 Kenneth  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:18:37pm

I'm reposting this item from TigerHawk , because it is so important:

Uighur ugliness

By TigerHawk at 10/14/2008 11:21:00 AM


Last June, five Supreme Court justices dreamed up a constitutional right for aliens held as enemy combatants to challenge their wartime detention in court. Now the bitter fruits of the Boumediene decision are plain to see: In Washington, a federal judge has ordered the release — into the United States — of 17 men captured near Tora Bora after the American invasion of Afghanistan.

The men are Uighur Muslims from China. And therein lies the key to this convoluted tale. The outpouring of media sympathy for the Uighurs suggests that they were on holiday when they were mistakenly swept up by invading Americans. In point of fact, they had trained at jihadist paramilitary camps, where they were schooled in bomb construction, close combat, assassinations, and the like. Specifically, the Uighurs are tied to an al-Qaeda affiliate, the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, a designated terrorist organization. As terrorism researcher Thomas Joscelyn has documented, several of them were fighting against our troops. Their capture was entirely proper. And predictably, many of them have joined forces with other jihadists held in Guantanamo Bay to riot and assault American guards.

China would be delighted to take these guys, but we have separate treaty obligations that prohibit us from releasing prisoners to countries that might mistreat them. So the courts will not allow them to remain in Gitmo and the law prevents their repatriation, so they must be released into the United States.

The incentives here are insane: If our soldiers take prisoners on the battlefield without collecting evidence against them sufficient to win a conviction in a criminal court, and if those prisoners come from countries that might mistreat them (that is, virtually every country we would fight in a war), we risk having to release them into the United States.

Obviously, we should just stop taking prisoners.

721 transient  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:18:55pm

re: #461 Kosh's Shadow

Too many American Jews don't realize assimilation is not the same as protection. The assimilated German Jews learned this too late, but the idea that "it can't happen here" is too strong. The German Jews also thought "it can't happen here", but it did.
And an 0bama presidency, with all his anti-Semitic friends and associates, worries me. It isn't that I think 0bama will be like Hitler, but that anti-Semitism will become respectable, and that the government will look the other way at discrimination against Jews.
"Sorry, we can't employ anyone who supports Israel. Our Arab customers wouldn't like it." would be considered valid reasons for denying a job; selling products to the Saudis would be more important than standing up to discrimination.

IMO you are exaggerating the danger of the situation. I don't think anti-Semitism will become respectable, and I don't think anti-Jewish discrimination will show significant increase. (There have been a few areas in the federal govt, military, and intelligence that have often been prone to Good Ol' Boy anti-Semitism, and I think that could definitely increase.) Rejecting someone because they support Israel is improbable, and could result in federal lawsuit. The President is not the entire government, and in any case he is not going to set an anti-Semitic tone.

Obama is not anti-Jewish, but he does seem inordinately fond of victimized Jews (as well as victimized blacks, victimized poor folks, victimized Palestinians, etc.) He loves to talk about the old neighborhood, the Holocaust stories he heard, etc.

722 Desert Dog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:19:05pm

Once his Messianic Presence is installed in the White House, get ready for crap like this. The stops will be off and the green light will be on for all sorts of nonsense. Rev. Shakedown Jackson, Al "Twana" Sharpton, Mullah Farrankan will all be spouting off. And, let's not forget the loony left....it will be a hard time for a conservative in the USA for a while. The hoots and howls from KOS, DU, MoveOn, etc will be hard to handle.

They might get the power (temporarily), but they will still be misguided, mean spirited, and wrong....that won't change, ever.

723 ErislDysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:19:06pm

re: #717 newsjunkie_ky

You are really funny.

I am not laughing.

724 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:19:11pm

re: #713 FurryOldGuyJeans

The mayor and general moonbat atmosphere, in my opinion. Seattle is not healthy for Democracy.

The birthplace of $4 coffee is not healthy, period.

725 willowone  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:19:19pm

re: #707 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
true, my spouse hauls all his engineering stuff from state to state contracting and the other company suburban we've given to daughter, still runs well no problems although 120 k miles.

726 subsailor68  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:19:23pm

re: #709 Vergeltung

You're absolutely on target. LGF is one of the few blogs where folks take the time to check spelling. Other blogs, where that doesn't seem to happen, leave me wondering about the intellectual level of the poster (unfairly or not).

(ti jest seemz to mak cense.)

727 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:19:30pm

re: #696 JCM

Damn, Jesse's onto us!
Who squealed?
/

(waves hand ... proudly)

728 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:19:30pm
729 subsailor68  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:20:15pm

re: #711 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Wow! No way! I save the gilly for special occasions. :-)

730 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:20:20pm

re: #723 ErislDysnomia

I am not laughing.

I know, that is why it's so funny.

731 maddogg  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:20:31pm

re: #681 eschew_obfuscation

I had a 1996 Firebird for three years. In that time (all under warranty), I
1) Replaced the differential
2) Replaced the radio
3) Had retractable headlight mechanism fixed
4) Had loose interior plastic siding replaced
5) Had leak in the sunroof fixed.

THEN.....

I got a call from GMAC wanting $1,000 to continue the warranty for another 10,000 miles! A preview of what I would have had to spend to keep the car running for another 10,000 miles.

I decided then and there that it was time to sell.

My Son has a Toyota Pickup. It has the same miles on it as my Camaro. I have replaced the transmission, the clutch, the exhaust system twice and the exhaust manifold once. I have also had to replace several suspension components, and currently the catylitic converter is gone out again and the check engine light stays on continuously. So what is your point?

732 ErislDysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:20:59pm

re: #726 subsailor68

You're absolutely on target. LGF is one of the few blogs where folks take the time to check spelling. Other blogs, where that doesn't seem to happen, leave me wondering about the intellectual level of the poster (unfairly or not).

(ti jest seemz to mak cense.)

Unfairly for sure, as in: some people are in a hurry. They have other things to do besides reading blogs.

733 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:21:30pm

re: #724 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

The birthplace of $4 coffee is not healthy, period.

It was only a matter of when someone came up with the idea of making coffee "trendy" for all the yuppies.

734 Vergeltung  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:22:02pm

re: #716 soccerdad

by crikey, I hope you are right soccerdad!

735 ErislDysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:22:10pm

re: #730 newsjunkie_ky

I know, that is why it's so funny.

I have a better explanation.

You have a strange sense of humor.

Now: Obama wins presidency thanks to ACORN. That's funny!

736 doppelganglander  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:22:11pm

re: #723 ErislDysnomia

I am not laughing.

Then you're the only one.

737 subsailor68  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:22:19pm

re: #732 ErislDysnomia

It seems to me that if someone takes the time to write a post, the additional few seconds to hit spell check are insignificant.

738 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:22:22pm

re: #702 MandyManners

It's not just me?

Are you going up and down too?

(.......leaves bad joke material untouched)

739 opnion  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:22:29pm

Sanchez on CNN is now saying that there is a lot to cover about Sarah Palin, a woman who could become VP. He is interviewing a guy & asking very leadiong questions.
The Obama Media Wing is in full gear. Hey forget that Obama attended a Church where every Sunday was like 'Death to America Day" in Iran.
Forget all of that , Palin welcomed the Alaska Independence Party in convention in he official capacity!

740 FrogMarch  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:22:31pm

re: #637 Killgore Trout

After scrolling through the comments at Hot Air on the Buckley thing I'm thinking the right is taking itself too seriously. There's danger of the right becoming the new left.

Link?

I've been searching the site for it, so far nothing.
but I did find this -- This isn't outrageous. It's common sense.
Peoplevote for higher taxes and big government liberals - then they say - "wow this sucks, I can't afford this, I'm leaving"

If Obama wins - Where will we all go?

If people want less-costly living, then they need to recognize that government isn’t a charity organization and push for smaller, less costly government instead of demanding government solutions to every problem and then getting itchy feet when the costs hit home. Pretty soon, there won’t be any place to run.

I guess when Bruce Springsteen and Bon Jovi tell people how to vote, this is what happens.

741 J.S.  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:22:33pm

re: #461 Kosh's Shadow

Watched a program the other day -- about Dubai (this was a "news" item by the BBC -- the antisemites there were heaping praises on Dubai and how there was (and there would be) no financial crisis...that their building boom continues a pace (money pouring in), and they will be the new financial giants/overlords. The architecture looked sci-fi (outlandish, ostentatious, garish..just ugly, ugly, ugly, like their black hearts...) I fear for the world's future...these will be the dictators to which an Obama presidency will bow down to...

742 hermeneutics  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:22:45pm

re: #551 Colonel Panik

On my work computer now. Will click your nic from my own this evening.
You might ping Macker as well. There are a number of other lizards who are Zonies.

If you have Macker's email, please either send him mine or let me have his. Ditto for other AZ lizards.

Thanks

743 whitehatguy  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:22:53pm

McCain doesn't deserve winning the way he's been running his campaign
and Obama will usher in the new USSA (United Socialist States of America) . What a choice! With Obama at the helm, the US will become the next country to join the EU, all in the name of shoring up global currencies. The real puker will be watching Obama, Pelosi and Reid push through anything they darn well please. How did we come to this? Any way you cut it, it looks like the beginning of the end of capitalism as we know. Time to go get me a pistol before the World Court bans all weapons. Wait, I'm waking up, this was all a bad dream, or was it?

744 midwestgak  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:22:53pm

re: #705 offendi

Mine is Blue too. People have to make a statement. The more popular votes against Barry O in these states, the more Barry, Nancy, Harry, and Bwarney understand that even if Barry does win they don't have carte blanche.


Rush made a comment today that the voter fraud is occurring because it's the only way the progressives can win. I believe he is right. I'm not suggesting they will win, just that they have to cheat to even hope to get there.

745 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:23:06pm

re: #728 ploome hineni

I have to click on the function buttons twice before anything happens.

Test.

746 Spiny Norman  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:23:09pm

re: #720 Kenneth

That is goddamned insane. Are we going to have some liberal judge demand that Khalid Sheik Mohammed be released into the US now? WTFF?!?

747 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:23:30pm

re: #723 ErislDysnomia

Go ahead and feel good about your on-line petition. Just don't expect the adults here to see you as much more than a KosKiddie sock puppet, grazing troll, or something similar.

748 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:24:06pm

re: #654 lostlakehiker

As it was, 9/11/2001 happened to be the day NYC held its primary elections. They were rescheduled since everything was forced to close as a result of the attacks.

There is no law in place to guide what should happen under those circumstances. And in the years since the attacks, continuity of government issues have fallen by the wayside.

749 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:24:14pm

re: #692 ErislDysnomia

Hannity just now:

"We must not allow ACORN to steal this election."

Sure, let's just wish upon a star that the problems can be corrected in three weeks, and/or that the adjudication process post-election will be fair at a time when cirruption is beynd rampant.

Makes me feel quite confident.

We will have this election..McCain will win in a stunning upset
and the drunks and junkies that Acorn signed up will probably still be somewhere sleeping it off.
I doesn't hurt to have some faith and confidence during a contest..

750 JCM  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:24:16pm

re: #714 ploome hineni

sorry guys, I did not make this problem

11 worst cars - Consumer Reports

more

The trash about 5 off-road vehicles, but don't rate off-roadability. Off road dings what they rate for vehicles, mileage, road handling etc.

My damn Lamborghini gets stuck every time I go down a forest service road, how useful is that?

751 Desert Dog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:24:19pm

re: #742 hermeneutics

Add me to the list too.....I have not met an actual fellow lizard before!

752 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:24:20pm

re: #724 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

The birthplace of $4 coffee is not healthy, period.

I pay $2.00 for a coffee at my Starkbutts, not $4.00. Well, it's $1.60 but, the rest is tip.

753 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:24:26pm

re: #696 JCM

Did you see this, posted above?
Know anything more about it?

re: #645 hazzyday

5 Afghanistan Scholars at Seattle UW go missing

754 Vergeltung  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:24:33pm

re: #726 subsailor68

You're absolutely on target. LGF is one of the few blogs where folks take the time to check spelling. Other blogs, where that doesn't seem to happen, leave me wondering about the intellectual level of the poster (unfairly or not).

(ti jest seemz to mak cense.)

yoo rite wit dat, boi! ;)

755 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:24:40pm

re: #733 FurryOldGuyJeans

It was only a matter of when someone came up with the idea of making coffee "trendy" for all the yuppies.


Years ago I had the idea of selling ice cubes on sticks as "clear" popsicles. Now if I could only find some backers...

756 maddogg  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:24:52pm

re: #681 eschew_obfuscation

I also had a Volkswagen Rabbit, new. The cam bearings went out twice, the seats stopped adjusting, the wipers quit twice, the check engine light was on more than it was off. It literally spent more time the first year I had it in the shop than with me. When the 12 mo. warranty went out, I sold it for what I owed on it.

Again, what is your point?

757 ErislDysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:24:52pm

re: #736 doppelganglander

Then you're the only one.

That is not only wrong, but it is useless information.

758 snowcrash  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:24:54pm

re: #725 willowone
Got rid of a 92 GMC Suburban last year. 270k miles. Only major repair was an air conditioner compressor. Best truck on earth.
Trying a GMC crossover type now. Keeping my fingers crossed.

759 RoughRider  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:25:07pm

re: #666 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Apparently French Youts were not big fans of Battlefied Earth either;

Travolta film victim of violence in French project

Filming of some scenes of the action movie "From Paris With Love" was supposed to start this week but local officials and the production company say it was put on hold because the cars were burned by unknown suspects early Monday.

Might I suggest they start their looking with folks named "Muhammad."

760 Scion9  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:25:36pm

re: #706 scottishbuzzsaw

Hasn't he spoken out against the Discovery Institute and ID, too? Mass of contradictions, that one...

If he is anything like Ron Paul, he is probably against all public education, so ID would be a moot issue.

761 JCM  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:26:16pm

re: #727 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(waves hand ... proudly)

That's a heck of a thing to be proud of.
Now put it back and quit waving it around.

762 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:26:21pm

OT (I guess)

Today Bush said...

"President Bush today announced a $250 billion plan by the government to directly buy shares in the nation's leading banks."

Last week 700 billion. A few weeks before, billions to AIG and other. Billion and billons (apologies Carl Sagen).

One simple question, who's paying for this? Where is the money coming from?

I ask, because, every time I read a new article about some new proposals to spend some new money, the article (or news report) never mentions the source of the money.

763 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:26:25pm

re: #700 capitalist piglet

That's pretty weird. What do you suppose is going on?

I keep thinking it would behoove me to move away from Seattle.

they are probably having a sleep-over at my moonbat sisters' house in Seattle..

764 Vergeltung  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:26:26pm

re: #732 ErislDysnomia

Unfairly for sure, as in: some people are in a hurry. They have other things to do besides reading blogs.

ah, so you did type it up in your Mom's basement. ah, that's ok kid. we understand.

765 ErislDysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:26:31pm

Signing off - have work to do.

Gonna go watch squirrels crack acorns.

766 JCM  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:27:04pm

re: #753 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Did you see this, posted above?
Know anything more about it?

re: #645 hazzyday

Nothing to worry about they are at flight school.......
/

767 runrabbitrun  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:27:08pm

Yes - Hannity has tightened up his case tying Obama and Acorn together ideologically and tactically, calling The One and his campaign for their work in representing Acorn, funding them, training them, and then lying about this alliance on Barry's campaign website.

Well done for a coherent message to drive home to voters in the last three weeks before election day.

768 ErislDysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:27:11pm

re: #764 Vergeltung

ah, so you did type it up in your Mom's basement. ah, that's ok kid. we understand.

Your comment is unworthy of Little Green Footballs.

Get serious, or get lost.

769 doppelganglander  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:27:13pm

re: #757 ErislDysnomia

That is not only wrong, but it is useless information.

It's useless to you to know that other posters see you as a crank and a joke? If anyone else on here supports your petition, I'd like to see them say so. Voter fraud is a very serious business; your "solution" is not.

770 opnion  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:27:27pm

My God, CNN exposes more about Palin, as Governor she taped a video gretting welcoming the Alaska Independent Party.
Well that does it for me. This guy Sanchez is a pompous jerk.

771 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:27:31pm

re: #729 subsailor68

Wow! No way! I save the gilly for special occasions. :-)

Circa '65-66, we had a couple of vintners operating on the aircraft carrier ... and a still in one of the fire rooms which got busted by the Revenuers.

772 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:27:33pm

re: #755 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Years ago I had the idea of selling ice cubes on sticks as "clear" popsicles. Now if I could only find some backers...

Try some of those Microsoft Millionaires. Lots of money, very little business sense.

773 jamgarr  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:28:15pm

re: #591 Spiny Norman

Conclusion: Election should go on as scheduled, but the election results should not be ratified until all fraud has been eliminated.

There's a reason why the new President in not installed until the end of January.

Back in Lincoln's time (that Republican guy who freed the slaves) the inauguration wasn't until March.

774 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:28:20pm

re: #762 Walter L. Newton

"President Bush today announced a $250 billion plan by the government to directly buy shares in the nation's leading banks."

Last week 700 billion.

Actually, the $250 billion is out of the $700 billion, not in addition to it.

775 Outrider  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:28:29pm

re: #671 ErislDysnomia

Yep, I guess it's worse to sign online petitions and get spammed than to have a fair Presidential election.

No. This is a nation of laws. Violating constitutional law and delaying the election would only be a self fulfilling prophesy of a slide into socialism.

We will get through the investigations of ACORN, fraudulent registrations, and all the other frauds that impact this election without resorting to a delay in the elections and martial law. The inauguration isn't until January, there is no rush.

I for one am not for destroying our election process because some other people can't play by the rules.

776 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:28:31pm

re: #731 maddogg

My Son has a Toyota Pickup. It has the same miles on it as my Camaro. I have replaced the transmission, the clutch, the exhaust system twice and the exhaust manifold once. I have also had to replace several suspension components, and currently the catylitic converter is gone out again and the check engine light stays on continuously. So what is your point?

My point is that I am unimpressed with my experience with American made cars.

By contrast, the four Toyotas I've had in the last 15 years have required almost no maintenance with the exception that they all come off the assembly line out of alignment.

777 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:28:51pm

re: #759 RoughRider

Might I suggest they start their looking with folks named "Muhammad."

I love this quote from the AP article...

"Cars are regularly burned in French housing projects, most famously during rioting that raged for three weeks in 2005 in poor neighborhoods across the country."

No problem here, move on.

778 Desert Dog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:28:55pm

re: #758 snowcrash

Sometimes you get a lemon, no matter who makes it. I have a KIA Minivan with 275,000 miles on it...I change the oil religiously, get the maintenance done.....it delivers packages all day and night...no major problems. My Chevy Cargo van is a dud....$1000's in repairs....it replaced another Chevy Van that made it to 300,000 w/ original motor and tranny...so, go figure? My Isuzu FSR has 400,000 on it (but, it's a diesel)

779 JCM  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:29:24pm

re: #771 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Circa '65-66, we had a couple of vintners operating on the aircraft carrier ... and a still in one of the fire rooms which got busted by the Revenuers.

Vintniers?!? Where they get the grapes? Or were they using bug juice?

780 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:29:29pm

re: #740 FrogMarch

Hah... I'm staying in NJ - in part because of the job and family - but I'm going to do my part to fight to get out of control spending and outrageous taxes under control..

781 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:29:34pm

re: #771 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Circa
'65-66, we had a couple of vintners operating on the aircraft carrier
... and a still in one of the fire rooms which got busted by the
Revenuers.

I think the Foch has its own winepress.

782 Daisy  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:29:37pm

re: #346 reine.de.tout

Apparently Clinton/Raines etc. didn't need the Constitution in order to have the rest of us pay - effectively - for reparations.

783 subsailor68  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:29:42pm

re: #771 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You're kidding! We did too! The A-Gangers actually built a still in (if I remember correctly) either the engine room or auxiliary machinery #2. Guys would put it in orange juice - in those old blue and white coffee mugs.

(oops, another time I wonder about the statute of limitations.)

784 Vergeltung  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:29:58pm

re: #740 FrogMarch

I guess when Bruce Springsteen and Bon Jovi tell people how to vote, this is what happens.

my wife and I had discussions all weekend about re-locating. we need a state that we can "waive in to" with our professional licenses (too old to take a freakin' test again!). second criteria is no state income tax. last, it's gotta be a red state! :)

785 SecondComing  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:30:06pm

Somebody better get a memo to Biden. He professed support for Israel during the Veep debate. Probably just another Gaffe.

786 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:30:09pm

re: #755 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Years ago I had the idea of selling ice cubes on sticks as "clear" popsicles. Now if I could only find some backers...


What about Bud Light on a stick? huh?
Lick fast before it melts! Good exercise.

787 krycek  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:30:09pm

re: #767 runrabbitrun

Yes - Hannity has tightened up his case tying Obama and Acorn together ideologically and tactically, calling The One and his campaign for their work in representing Acorn, funding them, training them, and then lying about this alliance on Barry's campaign website.

Well done for a coherent message to drive home to voters in the last three weeks before election day.

Rush sometimes refers to Obama as little squirrel.

788 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:30:16pm

re: #756 maddogg

I also had a Volkswagen Rabbit, new. The cam bearings went out twice, the seats stopped adjusting, the wipers quit twice, the check engine light was on more than it was off. It literally spent more time the first year I had it in the shop than with me. When the 12 mo. warranty went out, I sold it for what I owed on it.

Again, what is your point?

I already told you.....

789 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:30:25pm

re: #766 JCM

Nothing to worry about they are at flight school.......
/

You certainly do know how to pilot on.
*WHACK*

/yeah, that's kind of what I was wondering

790 willowone  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:30:34pm

re: #758 snowcrash
I really enjoyed their ease on the budget and longevity.

791 Spiny Norman  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:30:35pm

re: #733 FurryOldGuyJeans

re: #724 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
The birthplace of $4 coffee is not healthy, period.

It was only a matter of when someone came up with the idea of making coffee "trendy" for all the yuppies.

Actually, the founder of Starbucks got the idea of pitching burnt coffee as "trendy" from a hipster coffee joint on Melrose Ave in LA.

792 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:30:55pm
793 doppelganglander  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:31:00pm

re: #784 Vergeltung

my wife and I had discussions all weekend about re-locating. we need a state that we can "waive in to" with our professional licenses (too old to take a freakin' test again!). second criteria is no state income tax. last, it's gotta be a red state! :)

Tennessee or Florida?

794 snowcrash  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:31:16pm

re: #778 Desert Dog
Total crap shoot! But I'm with you on the oil changes.

795 doppelganglander  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:31:47pm

re: #787 krycek

Rush sometimes refers to Obama as little squirrel.

I'm sure someone will find a way to make that sound racist.

796 Desert Dog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:32:30pm

re: #791 Spiny Norman

Actually, the founder of Starbucks got the idea of pitching burnt coffee as "trendy" from a hipster coffee joint on Melrose Ave in LA.

Monkey Poop Coffee...mmmmm

They would have to PAY ME, ALOT, to drink that (and I am a coffee-aholic)

797 maddogg  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:32:33pm

re: #776 eschew_obfuscation

My point is that I am unimpressed with my experience with American made cars.

By contrast, the four Toyotas I've had in the last 15 years have required almost no maintenance with the exception that they all come off the assembly line out of alignment.

I have owned 2 Toyotas, both were very good cars, but that doesn't make them all good, just like your firebird doesn't make American cars bad. I hav a VW beetle that I was happy with.
And that is my point.

798 opnion  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:32:40pm

re: #787 krycek

Rush sometimes refers to Obama as little squirrel.

That must be racist, cause you know all squirrels are Black, right?

799 jamgarr  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:32:55pm

re: #652 WrathofG-d

I've been wondering for a while if once Obama wins, we are going to all get a bad case of ODS.


Unfortunately, it would be ORS.

800 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:32:57pm

re: #791 Spiny Norman

Actually, the founder of Starbucks got the idea of pitching burnt coffee as "trendy" from a hipster coffee joint on Melrose Ave in LA.

What do you mean by "burnt" coffee. I thought Starbucks coffee was basically an espresso?

801 debutaunt  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:33:10pm

re: #736 doppelganglander

Then you're the only one.

hahahahahahahaha

802 JCM  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:33:19pm

re: #791 Spiny Norman

Actually, the founder of Starbucks got the idea of pitching burnt coffee as "trendy" from a hipster coffee joint on Melrose Ave in LA.

I frequently get small Starbucks gift cards for various reasons. I take pride in walking in and ordering, "coffee, black, large."

803 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:33:23pm

re: #791 Spiny Norman

Actually, the founder of Starbucks got the idea of pitching burnt coffee as "trendy" from a hipster coffee joint on Melrose Ave in LA.

But who brought the idea international is more to the point. And that launching point is in Seattle.

804 midwestgak  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:33:49pm

re: #749 HoosierHoops

We will have this election..McCain will win in a stunning upset
and the drunks and junkies that Acorn signed up will probably still be somewhere sleeping it off.
I doesn't hurt to have some faith and confidence during a contest..


Hey Hoosier,

Great and necessary comment. I love these positive and firm statements. It makes an impact!

805 offendi  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:33:57pm

re: #744 midwestgak

Rush made a comment today that the voter fraud is occurring because it's the only way the progressives can win. I believe he is right. I'm not suggesting they will win, just that they have to cheat to even hope to get there.

I have decided not to pay attention to, or get worked up over, McCain's feeble electioneering and focus on getting five undecided voters to vote for him. Suggest others do the same. I just hope his administration includes Rudy and Romney.

806 Russkilitlover  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:34:02pm

re: #732 ErislDysnomia

Unfairly for sure, as in: some people are in a hurry. They have other things to do besides reading blogs.

Haste makes waste, haven't you heard? Besides, poor spelling in the age of instant spell check is indicative of a sloppy, lazy mind - Especially on something you want to mass publish. Sheesh!

807 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:34:14pm

re: #796 Desert Dog

Monkey Poop Coffee...mmmmm

They would have to PAY ME, ALOT, to drink that (and I am a coffee-aholic)

Good grief, monkey poop is for flinging, not drinking! Savages!

808 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:34:16pm

re: #752 MandyManners

I pay $2.00 for a coffee at my Starkbutts, not $4.00. Well, it's $1.60 but, the rest is tip.

Sorry Mandy. I'm all for tipping service folk well, but a 25% tip to an overcompensated coffee jerk is excessive. Besides, iIcan't tell you the number of times I've walked into StarBucks only to find no effin' coffee. I'm asked to wait 10 minutes whilst it brews. For F*cks sakes. The only damn think they do there is make and sell effin' coffee, and they can't keep it made. Gimme a break.

809 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:34:28pm

re: #751 Desert Dog

Add me to the list too.....I have not met an actual fellow lizard before!


I had to go all the way to NYC to meet some Lizards. So glad I did. We are working on another meet up for Nov.
NYC area Lizards, the more the merrier.

810 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:35:00pm
811 Outrider  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:35:21pm

re: #732 ErislDysnomia

re: #726 subsailor68

You're absolutely on target. LGF is one of the few blogs where folks take the time to check spelling. Other blogs, where that doesn't seem to happen, leave me wondering about the intellectual level of the poster (unfairly or not).

(ti jest seemz to mak cense.)

Unfairly for sure, as in: some people are in a hurry. They have other things to do besides reading blogs.

Really? You been posting this for nigh on two hours. Certainly enough time to have run a spell check on it and let us imagine you were literate.

812 DaddyG  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:35:24pm

re: #746 Spiny Norman

That is goddamned insane. Are we going to have some liberal judge demand that Khalid Sheik Mohammed be released into the US now? WTFF?!?

...welcoming committee forming on the steps of the courthouse - symbols of our freedom in hand...

813 wolfie  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:35:28pm

re: #685 opnion

My father-in-law was a sub-contractor in Chicago. Mr. Wolf has told me many a story like yours. His dad was always thrilled to get a "PUSH job," which meant it was big enough to warrant a Jesse Jackson shakedown.

The problem, IMO, is not so much that these things happen, but that the MSM and mainstream Democrats protect the scams w/ their silence.

814 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:35:31pm

re: #798 opnion

That must be racist, cause you know all squirrels are Black, right?



Some are
, as a matter of fact.

815 gmsc  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:35:38pm

re: #700 capitalist piglet

That's pretty weird. What do you suppose is going on?

I keep thinking it would behoove me to move away from Seattle.

"It's alright. I've planned ahead. Just a millisecond of bright light, and we're vaporized, much more lucky than the survivors. We'll be spared the horror of survival."
Professor Faulken, referring to Oregon, War Games

(true, it's not Washington but close enough)

816 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:35:46pm

Obama's campaign manager David Plouffe gives us a glimpse of how Barack will deflect GOP concern over ACORN's fraudulent voter registrations:

He charged that the Republicans are “suppressing” and “intimidating” voters in various states, making it harder for people to vote.

“What this is, is a strategic and cynical ploy to in some ways to denigrate all these people who decided to participate in their democracy, to sow confusion out there in a deliberate attempt to try to decrease turnout,” Plouffe argued.

“This is just the start of what is going to be a deliberate and cynical attempt to try and create confusion, to challenge people inappropriately.”

Plouffe cited several examples in which Republicans may be intimidating voters, including an example in Wisconsin where individuals with law enforcement background were being recruited as election workers. He also said that by raising questions about the registration process, voters are becoming confused about the process.

This election is shaping up to be a bigger mess than 2000.

817 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:35:54pm

re: #778 Desert Dog

Sometimes you get a lemon, no matter who makes it.

Not necessarily. None of my Lamborghinis has ever experienced any problems. They're every bit as reliable as my Gulfstream, or my Swan 100.

818 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:36:04pm

re: #779 JCM

Vintniers?!? Where they get the grapes? Or were they using bug juice?

I don't know. (I never imbibed aboard ship.) A ... cough ... reliable source told me that one of the wine-making operations was in a stockroom across the passageway from the avionics shop. I DO know there was a fair amount of traffic in and out of it.

/I only swiped cans of fruit juices and fruit cocktail from the un-reps

/never could get my hands on a canned ham ... MAA's guarded those pallets

819 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:36:19pm

re: #750 JCM

Heck, they ding down the Toyota Yaris despite it being among the most reliable vehicles and most cost efficient vehicles to own. So, what exactly makes a car low rated?

Consumers has added the numerical scores for the first time, and that's misleading on many levels. Consumers is best at figuring out reliabilities and strengths and weaknesses, but when you put together these scores, it means you're stuck with their statistical measures that can skew results greatly.

If you're buying a Liberty or Wrangler to drive around the city, you're not going to get your money's worth. If you need it to go offroad or are frequently in harsh weather conditions that require 4wd, it's a much better option than other higher rated vehicles (since they don't actually rate 'em that way). Still, the Liberty and Wrangler have awful reliability, and that's a big reason that they score poorly.

820 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:36:46pm

re: #808 unrealizedviewpoint

Sorry Mandy. I'm all for tipping service folk well, but a 25% tip to an overcompensated coffee jerk is excessive. Besides, iIcan't tell you the number of times I've walked into StarBucks only to find no effin' coffee. I'm asked to wait 10 minutes whilst it brews. For F*cks sakes. The only damn think they do there is make and sell effin' coffee, and they can't keep it made. Gimme a break.

You have to realize you are not paying for the coffee, you are paying for the mystique and allure of "being trendy and progressive".

821 debutaunt  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:37:00pm

re: #755 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Years ago I had the idea of selling ice cubes on sticks as "clear" popsicles. Now if I could only find some backers...

Negative Calorie Fun Snack!

822 J.S.  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:37:27pm

re: #770 opnion

I refuse to watch that program -- I turn off the tv -- ditto for that Campbell Brown program. I can't stand Sanchez -- what an incredible jerk...he's even worse than Wolf B...

823 Outrider  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:37:41pm

re: #798 opnion

That must be racist, cause you know all squirrels are Black, right?

Seen red ones and gray ones here. No black ones. Damn tree rats!

824 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:37:46pm

re: #811 Outrider

Really? You been posting this for nigh on two hours. Certainly enough time to have run a spell check on it and let us imagine you were literate.

I don't have that much imagination. ;)

825 JCM  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:37:54pm

re: #792 ploome hineni

what is especially disturbing is the response I am getting from posting RESULTS FROM SURVEYING AGENCIES

Not yelling at you, but I think you knew that.

Hey Lizards, DON'T KILL THE MESSENGER!

I bought a MB Sprinter van re-badged as Dodge. Quite satisfied, thank you. Right now we've got 7, so we need a full size van. The Sprinter made the best sense with the diesel engine. I didn't expect acceleration, or a posh ride, I expected a bread truck with lots of seats.

826 offendi  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:38:15pm

re: #780 lawhawk

Hah... I'm staying in NJ - in part because of the job and family - but I'm going to do my part to fight to get out of control spending and outrageous taxes under control..


You may want to start with replacing Jon Corzine. Seems like he has been a disaster as New Jersey Governor. Have also read in the trial of Bryant (sp) that elected New Jersey dems have had slush funds for their favorite projects?

827 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:38:49pm

re: #810 ploome hineni

WILL SOMEONE PLEASE EMAIL ME THE TALKING POINTS SO I CAN LINE UP WITH THE CROWD HERE?

According to the radio show I heard last night, the White House sends scripts to Rush & Hannity every day.

828 Tardis  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:38:56pm

re: #546 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

They are supposed to have a pretty good school.

Marshall Law School

829 Outrider  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:38:56pm

re: #802 JCM

I frequently get small Starbucks gift cards for various reasons. I take pride in walking in and ordering, "coffee, black, large."

Excellent. We black (no sugar, no cream) coffee drinkers seem to be a dying breed. ;-)>

830 midwestgak  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:39:01pm

re: #805 offendi

I have decided not to pay attention to, or get worked up over, McCain's feeble electioneering and focus on getting five undecided voters to vote for him. Suggest others do the same. I just hope his administration includes Rudy and Romney.


I would love to see Rudy as Attorney General. He'd get rid of a lot of the corruption, yep he would do a hell of a job for America. Mitt - treasury

831 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:39:08pm

re: #783 subsailor68

You're kidding! We did too! The A-Gangers actually built a still in (if I remember correctly) either the engine room or auxiliary machinery #2. Guys would put it in orange juice - in those old blue and white coffee mugs.

(oops, another time I wonder about the statute of limitations.)

Well one time..(telling stories out of school) We had a guy pissed off at the supervisor so he went and 'acquired' some pure water that was in the holding tank for the reactor. Made the supervisor a pot of coffee out of it..
The worlds greatest laxative is pure water...
Dude spent the day in the bathroom..
/ I didn't do it so don't be blaming me...

832 maddogg  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:39:35pm

re: #819 lawhawk

They will nickel and dime you, but I have staked my life on the reliability of my Jeep in a kansas blizzard when it was -15 and I had 100 miles to go, driving past road closed barricades, and I'm still around:)

833 gmsc  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:39:51pm

re: #810 ploome hineni

WILL SOMEONE PLEASE EMAIL ME THE TALKING POINTS SO I CAN LINE UP WITH THE CROWD HERE?

That's only at Democrat boards. You won't find that many Democrats here, so the DNC doesn't send talking points here.

834 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:40:04pm

re: #781 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I think the Foch has its own winepress.

The Foch is with the Brazilians now. The Charles de Gaulle replaced her in the French Navy. (a.k.a. "Le Grand Prop Fall Off")

835 Desert Dog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:40:04pm

re: #816 Ringo the Gringo

Obama's campaign manager David Plouffe gives us a glimpse of how Barack will deflect GOP concern over ACORN's fraudulent voter registrations:

This election is shaping up to be a bigger mess than 2000.

I am not sure of the validity of this site, but I seem to remember tales of Obama goons blocking Hillary voters.....sounds like the only candidate actively (and with intent) blocking voters is the Obamessiah himself.

Obama and voting fraud in Democratic Caucus'

836 subsailor68  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:40:14pm

re: #831 HoosierHoops

Hmmm...methinks thou dost protest too much. :-)

(Just kidding - cool idea though.)

837 dentate  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:40:47pm

re: #829 Outrider

Excellent. We black (no sugar, no cream) coffee drinkers seem to be a dying breed. ;-)>

Racist.

838 alien_mind  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:40:59pm

re: #723 ErislDysnomia

I am not laughing.

delaying the vote is a VERY bad idea. its not the way to deal with the fraud.

839 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 12:41:03pm