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Spiegel Columnist: Sarah Palin is a Witless Racist

Opinion | Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 2:07:37 pm PDT

Article after article today denouncing Sarah Palin and John McCain, but especially Sarah Palin, for “injecting race” into the campaign.

By which they invariably mean: bringing up Barack Obama’s troubling long-term associations with hardcore radicals of one type or another.

Germany’s Spiegel Online gets into the act too with a venomous article by former TIME reporter Peter Ross Range: The Lone Ranger: Is Sarah Palin Playing with Fire?

In her witless way, Sarah Palin has re-injected race into the presidential campaign at just the time when it seemed to be sliding into insignificance. After all, you can hardly attach a racial narrative to the global financial crisis. Furthermore, polls have been suggesting a surprisingly high degree of acceptance by whites of a black in the White House.

Some commentators think “brownness” (immigrants) has replaced blackness as the new racial scarecrow in American politics. I think it is also true that as people have gotten used to Obama, they increasingly see not a black man, but a post-racial person (white and black, by birth) who calmly and coolly embodies the swirling ethnic mix that is modern America.

But Palin, with plenty of abetment from McCain, has gotten it going again with the theme that Obama “is not a man who sees America like you and I see America." She’s selling Obama not as the black, but as the other. This obviously can appeal to racial fears and antagonisms.

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1 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:09:50pm

She's just picking on Bill Ayers because he's black!

/

2 formercorpsman  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:09:50pm

Quite honestly, I don't give a shit what you think.

Screw yourself.

3 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:09:50pm

Wasn't Obama the "Above Race Politics" candidate in the beginning?

4 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:10:08pm
In her his witless way, Sarah Palin Barack 0bama has re-injected race misogyny into the presidential campaign at just the time when it seemed to be sliding into insignificance.

Because everyone knows the C-word is the height of civil discourse. Even Germans.

5 bosforus  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:10:13pm

Did it ever occur to any of these people that Bill Ayers is white?

6 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:10:13pm

From a German magazine, no less!

7 Desert Dog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:10:13pm

Küssen Sie meinen Esel, Scheisskopf!

8 RTLM  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:10:38pm

Ah - German Spiegel -

Mind your own house, fuckwits.

9 Killer Tomato  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:10:45pm
Sarah Palin is a Witless Racist


Funny, that's not what the t-shirts say she is....

10 Cognito  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:11:08pm

"Heil Obama."

11 MrSnuggles  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:11:19pm

The attacks must be working if their only response is to cry racism.

12 Desert Dog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:11:22pm

I think Obama should run for President of Germany, they like him so much, they can have him.

13 arethusa  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:11:24pm

If Sarah Palin is a racist for bringing that up, then we're all racists. Does the nitwit not realize that she refers to Obama's view of America as a broken-down country long past its finest hour and not the great country it is?

(At least, that's how I take it.)

14 Elcid  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:11:41pm

What horseshit!

Keep your powder dry, folks. You may need it.

15 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:11:49pm
But Palin, with plenty of abetment from McCain, has gotten it going again with the theme that Obama “is not a man who sees America like you and I see America." She’s selling Obama not as the black, but as the other.

Which you, Der Spiegel, immediately process as "black".

Brilliant.

16 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:11:55pm

Someone should make a list of "things that the Obama PC police won't let you say about their candidate"

1. Hussain
2. Rev. Wright
3. Liberal
4. Inexperienced
5

17 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:11:59pm

re: #5 bosforus

Did it ever occur to any of these people that Bill Ayers is white?

Nah, he's just passing for white.

18 arethusa  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:12:29pm

re: #12 Desert Dog

I think Obama should run for President of Germany, they like him so much, they can have him.

So did the French...he could unite Germany and France into one country! Maybe make that whole EU thing work better./

19 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:12:31pm

re: #8 RTLM

Ah - German Spiegel -

Mind your own house, fuckwits.

They perfected racism.

20 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:12:42pm

re: #7 Desert Dog

Küssen Sie meinen Esel, Scheisskopf!

I know very little German, but I do know that last word!

21 ghengis was a wuss  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:12:50pm

when Palin says "this is not a man who sees America the way you and I do" she means that he is a socialist. It has nothing to do with race, you race baiters!

22 willowone  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:13:26pm

I am appalled at the blatant Lying Narrative that have come out in this election.
Obama used race card against Hillary Dems, now Republicans, I despise the Obama campaign

23 majic1  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:13:34pm

Remind me please. How many electoral votes does Germany have?
Thankyouverymuch.

24 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:13:55pm

Or maybe a list of the things that Air America, etc., have said about "Grampy McSame" and his "HO", who will "kill, kill, kill you" if elected.

(actual quotes from Air America)

25 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:14:01pm

re: #23 majic1

Remind me please. How many electoral votes does Germany have?
Thankyouverymuch.

You mean Germany is not one of the 57 States?

26 Desert Dog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:14:02pm

re: #20 goddessoftheclassroom

I know very little German, but I do know that last word!

It's the "polite" form of: Kiss my ass, shithead!

27 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:14:04pm

re: #20 goddessoftheclassroom

I know very little German, but I do know that last word!

Isn't it, "Kiss my ass, shithead"?

28 guzziguy  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:14:12pm

It is true that the German people should know witless. They've been in the witless protection plan for nearly 70 years now.

29 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:14:23pm
who calmly and coolly embodies the swirling ethnic mix

Actually, according to his own autobiography, he's been semi-hysterical and self-loathing about his "swirling ethnic mix" for a good portion of his life.

But I guess it's racist to cite what Obama says about Obama.

30 formercorpsman  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:14:25pm

Man, for the kind of day I just had, I would love to have this turd standing in front of me right now.

31 gop_patriot  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:14:29pm
In her witless way, Sarah Palin has re-injected race into the presidential campaign at just the time when it seemed to be sliding into insignificance.

What? What?!?

Ignoring the rude insult from a German journalist for a minute, the only people injecting race into this election are the leftists and socialists who are pushing a Marxist, terrorist-befriending empty suit as their choice for President of the United States.

32 willowone  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:14:35pm

re: #4 Sharmuta

we really need to make a list of every race baiting statement allowed a pass, along with the misogyny list.

33 wolfie  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:14:56pm

re: #21 ghengis was a wuss

Exactly.
My moonbat sister and BIL do not see America the way Mr. Wolf and I do.
So?

34 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:14:57pm

re: #26 Desert Dog

It's the "polite" form of: Kiss my ass, shithead!

Okay, so it's, "Thank you and please kiss my ass, shithead".

35 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:15:09pm
But Palin, with plenty of abetment from McCain, has gotten it going again with the theme that Obama “is not a man who sees America like you and I see America." She’s selling Obama not as the black, but as the other. This obviously can appeal to racial fears and antagonisms.

First- don't go projecting your nazi issues onto America.

Second- it's not his race that's the problem, it's his stinking ideology.

If europe could get a handle on the significance of ideology over "the others", then perhaps they might start to realize what the root cause of their ills really are. It's not the immigrants in europe that's the problem. It's the stinking socialism, and God forbid America try to prevent that rotten, festering ill to take root here! Nope- it must be that were racists!

36 willowone  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:15:13pm

re: #24 WrathofG-d
oh Yes, remember the bros before hos t-shirts during hillary verses obama?

37 arethusa  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:15:34pm

Why do all the liberal columnists harp on how much the Germans loved Obama? Does Germany really have that great a track record of identifying good leaders?

/Lessee...the Kaiser...Hitler...help me out here, lizards.../

38 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:15:43pm

re: #30 formercorpsman

Man, for the kind of day I just had, I would love to have this turd standing in front of me right now.

{formercorpsman}

We love you here!

39 alien_mind  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:15:53pm

a would expect no less from Der Speigel.
clueless.

40 Charles  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:16:12pm

I didn't know ethnicity could swirl.

41 guzziguy  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:16:37pm

re: #39 alien_mind

a would expect no less from Der Speigel.
clueless.

Yes, but they used to put out a good catalog.

:-)

42 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:16:45pm

re: #16 WrathofG-d

Someone should make a list of "things that the Obama PC police won't let you say about their candidate"

1. Hussain
2. Rev. Wright
3. Liberal
4. Inexperienced
5

5. "Skinny"

43 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:16:45pm

re: #29 Occasional Reader

Actually, according to his own autobiography, he's been semi-hysterical and self-loathing about his "swirling ethnic mix" for a good portion of his life.

But I guess it's racist to cite what Obama says about Obama.

Turn a hose on him, or stick his finger in a light socket.

/santa battaglia, from a confederacy of dunces

44 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:16:49pm

re: #37 arethusa

Why do all the liberal columnists harp on how much the Germans loved Obama? Does Germany really have that great a track record of identifying good leaders?

/Lessee...the Kaiser...Hitler...help me out here, lizards.../

Considering that the Kaiser was not an elected leader but a hereditary monarch I do have to say that they do not have a track record that would be inspiring.

45 neocon hippie  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:16:54pm

Of course he sees America differently. For Obama and his leftoid supporters, America is an evil empire.

46 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:17:06pm

Obama is half white and half black. He chose black. He chose to worship at the altar of Black Liberation Theology. He, his communist groomers and his blind followers injected race into this election campaign. Leave Sarah Palin out of it.

47 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:17:09pm

re: #42 Occasional Reader

5. "Skinny"

6. Big ears.

48 harrylook  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:17:18pm

Someone needs to ask these leftard ja-whore-nalists what is fair game in criticizing Hussein Obama. Anything?

49 offendi  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:17:22pm

Germans are fine ones to talk about racism or discrimination. Ask any Turkish "guest worker" living there.

50 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:17:31pm

Imagine getting scolded on racism by Germans! The irony is too much.

51 ointmentfly  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:17:34pm

"Some commentators" is really just a figment of this idiot's imagination. This is how liberals inject race into anything - start with a false premise like "people think" or "some have said" without ever backing it up.

52 SagamoreGal  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:17:48pm

NEA in action for over 30 years - There is no greater sin than being called a racist (rightly or wrongly).

Murderer? Nope. Child beater? Nah. Wife beater? Pshaw!

Grow some balls and a backbone and just laugh when someone calls you a racist.

Oh yeah, don't forget to teach your kids that most Huns are ****s.

53 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:18:08pm

re: #41 guzziguy

Yes, but they used to put out a good catalog.

:-)

"Chicago, Illinois, 60609!"

/thanks, jay stewart!

54 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:18:09pm

re: #48 harrylook

Someone needs to ask these leftard ja-whore-nalists what is fair game in criticizing Hussein Obama. Anything?

And the answer would probably be there is nothing that is fair. He is The One, after all.

55 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:18:20pm
56 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:18:22pm

re: #50 Sharmuta

Imagine getting scolded on racism by Germans! The irony is too much.

Did you see my #6? GMTA!

{Sharmuta}

57 formercorpsman  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:18:47pm

re: #38 goddessoftheclassroom

Well thanks.

I need a break though. Everytime I have had a chance to get back to the screen, some new topic is posted that makes my pressure go up.

58 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:18:48pm

re: #40 Charles

I didn't know ethnicity could swirl.

"Obama is a lot like soft-serve ice cream, because..."

[discuss.]

59 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:18:54pm

re: #40 Charles

I didn't know ethnicity could swirl.

Neither did I. They must think we're some sort of vanilla/chocolate ice cream here.

60 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:18:54pm

re: #36 willowone

Exactly. I was listening to Air America today read the Obama campaign lines about how McCain is going to get Obama killed, and black people hanged, and lynched by using the word "scary"... and remembered that Air America Radio Host who outright said that if McCain was elected, McCain was going to be all about death, and murder, and get every listener killed!

Last night on Air America, they were calling Palin a "ho". I guess language like this is going to get women raped! no?

wow, the irony.

61 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:19:14pm

I am so pissed of all I have to say is that any Jew who votes for Obama is a fuckin moron. Now that I have written off half my family, who I stopped talking to already, I got 2.5 more hours of work to get thru. OK I'm done venting. Well maybe.

62 bosforus  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:19:30pm

Comment from the Spiegel forum
I was looking at a photo just now of JFK's corpse after he was assassinated, the morgue photo. What struck me immediately is that he was down south in Texas, and that down south they are forever threatening to "get their guns" and that southerners hate the Kennedy family. Suddenly, I was positive the whole thing was a neo-confederate conspiracy to keep Yankees out of white house.

63 willowone  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:19:35pm

re: #42 Occasional Reader

5. "Skinny"

6, articulate

64 akak  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:19:38pm
Now, meet Majida Mourad, the beauty school grad who falsified federal employment and top secret security clearance forms and gave details of security for our nuclear weapons to Muslim nations on the State Department terrorist list.


[Link: www.debbieschlussel.com...]

Obama/Ayers
McCain/Mourad

No wonder people said don't push the Ayers issue.

I think McCain is still the choice, but not by much.

65 DeafDog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:19:42pm

This reminds me of Iraq in this sense. For years we were fed the narrative from the MSM that the war was unwinnable. All was loss and their is hopeless dispair. A "surge' had no chance of success. There were only a few honorable journalists telling the true story. Unfortunately, most folks bought into that narrative even though it was untrue.

The greatness of Obama, the 'meanness' of the republicans and the inevitability of Obama seems to be a similar MSM narrative. What gets reported - whether in Germany or in the Wapo - is a very slanted version of facts.

66 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:19:45pm

re: #56 goddessoftheclassroom

And trying to scold us on fascism to boot, {goddess}. My sides are starting to hurt from laughing.

67 alexknyc  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:19:59pm

Gee, a racism charge in a piece written by a former member of the MSM, in a German rag about a Republican running against a black man?

Who didn't see THAT coming?

68 arethusa  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:20:00pm

re: #42 Occasional Reader

1. Hussain
2. Rev. Wright
3. Liberal
4. Inexperienced
5. "Skinny"

6. Bill Ayers
7. Chicago Annenberg Challenge

69 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:20:07pm

re: #50 Sharmuta

Imagine getting scolded on racism by Germans! The irony is too much.

They used to have a joke about Turks digging through the trash, "looking for dinner". They're ones to talk.

70 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:20:21pm

re: #58 Occasional Reader

GTMA! LOL!

71 SagamoreGal  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:20:29pm

Barack Obama is a dingo. The dingo ate my baby. Therefore, he is a baby-eating dingo.

Can I wait for next wait to receive my 30 lashes?

72 guzziguy  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:20:34pm

re: #63 willowone

6, articulate

7. Clean (Thanks, J. Biden)

73 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:20:53pm

This entire election is giving me a sick feeling.

74 willowone  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:20:56pm

re: #60 WrathofG-d

It is all horrible. I can hardly wait to have this election over. I pray He loses, imagine 4-8 years of this.

75 Sponge  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:21:06pm

No offense, Germany, but don't you have your own country to worry about?

The only one that injects race into this election is 0bama. He keeps bringing it up. She says that he doesn't see America the way we do is because he things it's all broken and evil with it's free enterprise and capitalism and isn't afraid to tell you about how we need to embrace socialism and live off of the teat that is the government.

It has nothing to do with his race, you asshat.

76 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:21:14pm

re: #42 Occasional Reader

This just in: American's are not allowed to mention Barack by name as it is nothing more than a reference to Race that is going to insure that those hate-filled White racist who make up Jesus Land, go on a spree of murder, bombing, and lynching of innocent African-Americans.

/!

77 HBob  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:21:19pm

Quick, name a black european leader...


Nothing? Then shut the f*ck up.

78 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:21:24pm

re: #70 Honorary Yooper

GTMA! LOL!

Senator Obama, I knew Tom Carvel. Tom Carvel was a friend of mine. And you, sir, are no Tom Carvel.

79 arethusa  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:21:28pm

re: #58 Occasional Reader

"Obama is a lot like soft-serve ice cream, because..."

[discuss.]

He melts under pressure?

80 RTLM  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:21:52pm

Here's some new material for "The Lone Ranger", Peter Ross Range:

'Racists' file RICO suit against ACORN in Ohio.

(Finally)

81 willowone  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:22:10pm

re: #72 guzziguy

the messiah-when we say it.

82 formercorpsman  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:22:11pm

re: #61 Nevergiveup

It is frustrating. Too much of my family is liberal, and Catholic / Methodist, and are blind.

My wife's side of the family are all women, and way liberal.

One sent me the "Don't Vote video" a couple of days ago.

I let her know what I thought.

83 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:22:13pm

re: #61 Nevergiveup

make that "anyone". Not just "any Jew".

84 Daisy  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:22:29pm

I think it's seriously unbecoming for a German rag to make any commentary concerning racism. They should shut up and listen for about 700 years and then speak.

85 Maui Girl  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:22:30pm

Peter Ross Range = NITWIT

86 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:22:42pm

re: #78 Occasional Reader

Senator Obama, I knew Tom Carvel. Tom Carvel was a friend of mine. And you, sir, are no Tom Carvel.

He's no Baskin Robbins either, much less a Dairy Queen. Maybe Barney Frank is a Dairy Queen, but not Barack Obama.

87 eolon  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:22:45pm

The great thing about Germans is that they have so much experience in upholding the moral high ground.


Best Regards,


e


.::.

88 formercorpsman  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:22:55pm

re: #71 SagamoreGal

Hey SG, you ever eat at that place called "Steakout" in town?

89 brent  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:22:57pm

I think there needs to be a rule that Germany waits a while before lecturing about racism - maybe just a hundred years after any holocaust. Maybe two.

It's certainly too soon for me to listen to some effete piece of Eurotrash badmouth the United States of America... Who's with me?!?


/Animal House off....

90 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:23:09pm

re: #77 HBob

Quick, name a black european leader...

George Clinton.

(He's the head of Parliament, after all... that's Europe, right?)

91 Soona'  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:23:28pm

re: #48 harrylook

Someone needs to ask these leftard ja-whore-nalists what is fair game in criticizing Hussein Obama. Anything?

How dare you even raise such a question! Racist!
//

92 Sizzlack  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:23:30pm

The most disturbing thing about "journalists" like this are that you can actually see the raging boners they get when they write about Obama.

Nasty.

93 Desert Dog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:23:33pm

Der Spiegel is German's Time Magazine. So, anything coming from them will be left leaning. Of course, they also "act" like they are impartial, balanced and fair, just like Time.

94 DeafDog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:23:44pm

re: #58 Occasional Reader

"Obama is a lot like soft-serve ice cream, because..."

[discuss.]

Sometimes he's vanilla, sometimes he's chocolate and sometimes he's a combination?

95 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:23:49pm

So the foreign msm is just like the American msm- they don't give a shit about the sexism on display in this election.

No wonder some of these european countries don't give a shit about muslim women's issues like FGM and honor killings.

96 wright1  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:23:54pm

Bob Grant is a famous radio personality in the NYC area. He has an expression for people like these: I D-E-S-P-I-I-I-S-E THEM!

97 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:24:05pm

re: #90 Occasional Reader

George Clinton.

(He's the head of Parliament, after all... that's Europe, right?)

Ah, high school days. Funkadelic, and Bootsy Collins.

98 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:24:07pm

re: #77 HBob

Quick, name a black european leader...

There's only one, her name is Ayan Hirsi Ali....and she was run out of town.

99 alexknyc  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:24:36pm

re: #82 formercorpsman

What "Don't Vote video?"

100 West Coast Freedom  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:24:39pm
101 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:24:42pm

re: #86 Honorary Yooper

He's no Baskin Robbins either, much less a Dairy Queen. Maybe Barney Frank is a Dairy Queen, but not Barack Obama.

I'm glad to see you appreciate Good Humor.

102 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:25:06pm

re: #90 Occasional Reader

George Clinton.

(He's the head of Parliament, after all... that's Europe, right?)

Yeah, the small country of Funkenstein.

103 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:25:10pm

re: #99 alexknyc

What "Don't Vote video?"

I liked the "I'm voting Democratic" video. Funny.

104 offendi  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:25:14pm

re: #12 Desert Dog

I think Obama should run for President of Germany, they like him so much, they can have him.

Actually I am supporting Obama for President.... of Kenya.

105 conservativeChick  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:25:32pm

re: #4 Sharmuta

I know, they think their so brave and unique to use the C-word against Palin, Bush even Jesus when in reality their nothing but vile, disgusting sack of worthless "human" (I use that word loosely) flesh. God what a way to bring society back a few steps.

106 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:25:39pm

re: #83 WrathofG-d

make that "anyone". Not just "any Jew".

Yes, but after that Jessi Jackson article in the NY Post, I can't help but wonder how this Jew turned out so differant than most? Not that I didn't know all that before, but there it is in print and no one will pay any never mind to it? McCain will go on saying Obama is a good man. Spit!

107 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:25:42pm

The Liberals are always comparing McCain to Bush. Now isn't comparing McCain to another White Male RACIST!

/

108 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:25:50pm

Germans scolding Americans about racism is like Congress scolding banks for poor money management.

109 littleoldlady  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:25:59pm
After all, you can hardly attach a racial narrative to the global financial crisis.

That's simply untrue. Everybody knows that any and all criticism of Barack Obama - including any financial plans he may have, no matter how imbecilic - is racism.

/sheesh. get with the program, already.

110 Daisy  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:26:12pm

re: #58 Occasional Reader

"Obama is a lot like soft-serve ice cream, because..."

[discuss.]

re: #89 brent

I think there needs to be a rule that Germany waits a while before lecturing about racism - maybe just a hundred years after any holocaust. Maybe two.

It's certainly too soon for me to listen to some effete piece of Eurotrash badmouth the United States of America... Who's with me?!?

Take a look above at #84.


/Animal House off....

111 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:26:17pm

re: #102 Honorary Yooper

Yeah, the small country of Funkenstein.

IAEA inspectors are still trying to determine whether they have resumed their Atomic Dog program.

112 offendi  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:26:54pm

re: #78 Occasional Reader

Senator Obama, I knew Tom Carvel. Tom Carvel was a friend of mine. And you, sir, are no Tom Carvel.

Cookiepuss is voting for McCain

113 vagabond trader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:26:54pm

Perhaps another lizard could remind us how many leaders of color these post colonial Europeans have elected.

114 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:26:54pm

re: #101 Occasional Reader

I'm glad to see you appreciate Good Humor.

Someone throw me a Drumstick here.

115 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:27:00pm

re: #106 Nevergiveup

In the end, politicians work for each other. Its like CEOs. Sure they will fight, and scratch at each other for market share, but when it comes down to choosing each other over their clients......

116 Hapster  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:27:09pm

re: #20 goddessoftheclassroom

scheißkopf!

117 brent  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:27:21pm

#84 - 700 years...

A much more reasonable number, I defer to the Daisy in the front row...

118 eon  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:27:26pm

The hilarious (/sarc) thing about this is that in Europe, Der Spiegel is considered to be a right-wing magazine.

Der Spiegel- Wikipedia

If that's their definition of "right-wing", what must the left-wing rags be saying right now?

/mind-boggling

cheers

eon

119 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:27:41pm

re: #108 Sharmuta

Germans scolding Americans about racism is like Congress scolding banks for poor money management.

Irony is lost on the criminally incompetent and complicit.

120 formercorpsman  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:27:41pm

re: #99 alexknyc

Bunch of hollywood assholes who think they are of importance, trying to be hip by telling you not to vote, because if your not concerned, well then, just don't vote.

121 Mark1957  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:27:46pm

Peter Ross Range is just projecting his internal devastation because he never got an op-ed gig with this periodical:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

122 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:27:53pm

re: #111 Occasional Reader

IAEA inspectors are still trying to determine whether they have resumed their Atomic Dog program.

Now, now, they're just one nation under a groove.

123 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:28:17pm

re: #115 WrathofG-d

In the end, politicians work for each other. Its like CEOs. Sure they will fight, and scratch at each other for market share, but when it comes down to choosing each other over their clients......

Gee Wrath, comments like that will drive me to drink. I mean more than I already do?

124 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:28:53pm

re: #112 offendi

Cookiepuss is voting for McCain

I'd make a Fudgie The Whale joke, but I'm sure some one would cry "Racist!"

125 alien_mind  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:29:31pm

re: #41 guzziguy

Yes, but they used to put out a good catalog.

:-)

haha, i'm horrible with e's and i's

126 Right Brain  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:29:46pm

Spiegel is still smarting over WWII and the loss of the Vaterland. More honestly the London Times (I know one is not supposed to say London, just Times) published an articled entitled "Eventually, we will all hate Obama too."

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

Yes, American exceptionalism endures, and Obama too will piss off the Zeropeans.

127 Daisy  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:29:46pm

Whoops. Occasional reader .. don't know how I managed to get you into #110 ... but since I did - He's like soft ice cream because he's soon going to make a mess of things. ?

128 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:29:50pm

re: #123 Nevergiveup

Nah, don't get depressed.

Just remember two things:

1. Declaration of Independence
&
2. Our ability to vote the idiots out if we actually choose to do so.
(in that order)

NOW THAT is "change I can believe in" and "Change we need".

129 formercorpsman  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:29:55pm

re: #124 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

You remember the commercials on channel 17, Dr. Shock, etc?

130 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:29:58pm

I've got to run to a rehearsal--BBL!

131 calcajun  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:30:10pm

I find it funny when Europeans and Asians lecture us about our "racism". I have known many folks from across the pond and have found that some of the biggest bigots I have ever met hail from France and Germany--our supposedly "enlightened" allies. They have the balls to criticize us when their own social programs are discriminatory. And for Gunther here to accuse Palin of racism when she never mentions it is pure Orwellian double-speak. He essentially accuses her of speaking in code.

132 FIVEOFNINE  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:30:12pm

re: #68 arethusa

8. Scheisskopf!

133 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:30:16pm

re: #124 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I'd make a Fudgie The Whale joke, but I'm sure some one would cry "Racist!"

As long as you don't drag Barney Frank into it. [shudder]

We indeed are treading fast down a Rocky Road on this thread.

134 MagnaniomousCoward  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:30:29pm

I dinged down. Not against Charles for posting this, but for the author to have submitted it for publication.

Yes, we all know that now race and gender doesn't actually mean race and gender anymore, but it means Marxism. Feh.

135 Spiny Norman  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:30:34pm

re: #59 Honorary Yooper

re: #40 Charles

I didn't know ethnicity could swirl.

Neither did I. They must think we're some sort of vanilla/chocolate ice cream here.

Yes, with a caramel (dulce de leche?) ribbon. Kind of a Ben & Jerry's thing, you see?

Oh, wait. I see how that must look. I shall preemptively denounce myself.

136 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:30:40pm
137 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:30:47pm

re: #127 Daisy

Whoops. Occasional reader .. don't know how I managed to get you into #110 ... but since I did - He's like soft ice cream because he's soon going to make a mess of things. ?

"Can't I just have my waffle cone?"

138 ClosetConservative  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:31:03pm

There was an article about Rush in the NYT Magazine in the middle of the summer. If I recall correctly, he was working on a list of thigns you're not allowed to talk about with Obama. It started with his ears...

But honestly? Just laugh. This stuff is hilarious. Most of the time, you have to pay to get into a comedy club if you want to laugh this hard. Germans lecturing Americans on racism? Ha!

139 Irene NYC  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:31:14pm

Sincer when did Der Spiegel become anything but a sensationalist publication? You know, blood and sex sort of thing. Well, maybe that explains their fascination with Sarah.
;)

140 vermicelli  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:31:21pm

hate to tell some people BUT the germans do not want what is best for our country. they are sick of us and believe we are holding them back from
greater acheivements thus thier support for BO. they believe our status as superpower is nearing its end and believe his agenda will continue the marginalization process. then again, i could be way off.

141 calcajun  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:31:42pm

re: #133 Occasional Reader

As long as you don't drag Barney Frank into it. [shudder]

We indeed are treading fast down a Rocky Road on this thread.

What about Barney Frank in drag? Eww--I think a got a little vomit in my mouth there.

142 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:31:46pm
143 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:31:53pm

Personally, I'd love to have a black President; a black Republican President.

What I don't want is a slippery, Leftist President.

144 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:31:58pm

re: #127 Daisy

Whoops. Occasional reader .. don't know how I managed to get you into #110 ... but since I did - He's like soft ice cream because he's soon going to make a mess of things. ?

He's like soft-serve ice cream in that he's soft at the core and crispy on the outside.

145 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:32:05pm

re: #120 formercorpsman

Bunch of hollywood assholes who think they are of importance, trying to be hip by telling you not to vote, because if your not concerned, well then, just don't vote.

Reverse psychology, like you'd use on a four-year-old ("You'd better not go pee-pee in the potty! No, unh-uh!"). So, perfect to use on Democrats.

146 Desert Dog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:32:15pm

re: #136 taxfreekiller

Of some note:

Obama supports now and always has supported Drivers Lis. for illegals.

The 9/11 ones of terror , many were illegal and had Drivers Lis.

Obama is a clear and present danger to all Americans.

Registering to vote with one of those DL's too.....I wonder how many illegals will be casting a ballot for Obama this election? We are fools to think that is not happening.

147 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:32:17pm

re: #129 formercorpsman

You remember the commercials on channel 17, Dr. Shock, etc?

LOL!

148 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:32:18pm

re: #124 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I'd make a Fudgie The Whale joke, but I'm sure some one would cry "Racist!"

RACIST!

149 vagabond trader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:32:29pm

And we are still protecting their worthless Eurotrash asses, why?

150 jamgarr  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:32:31pm

Witless Racist

/How far they've come since trying to convince us that Barack was a Raceless Wit.

151 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:32:41pm

What's next? Is filip dewinter going to denounce our racism too?

152 FrogMarch  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:32:48pm

TIME magazine and it's "reporters" are all hacks.

Communists come in all different colors. Ayres is white - Barack is black.
so what?

geez these left-wing reporters are tired.

153 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:32:56pm

re: #143 Ringo the Gringo

Personally, I'd love to have a black President; a black Republican President.

What I don't want is a slippery, Leftist President.

Thomas Sowell!

154 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:33:04pm

re: #143 Ringo the Gringo

What I don't want is a slippery, Leftist President.

You can't call him "slippery", that's racist.

Why? I don't have to explain why. You racist!

155 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:33:36pm

re: #143 Ringo the Gringo

Personally, I'd love to have a black President; a black Republican President.

What I don't want is a slippery, Leftist President.

How did that saying go? It's not that he's black, it's that he's red.

156 offendi  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:33:41pm

One of the reasons noted why Germany did not want to participate in a Europe-wide bail out effort was concern that German workers would end up supporting the "Latin" nations of Europe.

Also, how have U.S. African-American soldiers stationed in Germany been treated? Ungrateful buggers, and hypocrites at Der Spiegel.

157 maddogg  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:33:41pm

Just what the world needs, Germans accusing other people of racism. Especially since we kicked their Nazi asses all over the world with their central theme as racism, backed up with industrial mass murder. I think their moral authority to point a crooked finger is lacking. They seem to have lost none of their talent at bald faced lies, however.

158 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:33:49pm

re: #151 Sharmuta

What's next? Is filip dewinter going to denounce our racism too?

While holding an Odin's cross, and kissing a picture of Jean-Marie LePen.

159 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:34:06pm

re: #153 Ward Cleaver

Thomas Sowell!

Smart guy, but afaik has no executive/leadership experience.

Michael Steele.

160 uncle_monkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:34:14pm

Hey Spiegel!

Geht zum Teufel.

161 Spiny Norman  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:34:16pm

re: #139 Irene NYC

Since when did Der Spiegel become anything but a sensationalist publication? You know, blood and sex sort of thing. Well, maybe that explains their fascination with Sarah.
;)

I was under the impression that Der Spiegel was something like a combination of Time and National Enquirer (not that there's much difference between the two anymore...), and heavy on the NE side.

162 vagabond trader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:34:37pm

re: #142 ploome hineni

Isn't Sarkozy part Jewish. sort of?

163 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:34:41pm

Thanks but no thanks for the race relations class taught be the Germans.

164 arethusa  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:34:41pm

re: #138 ClosetConservative


But honestly? Just laugh. This stuff is hilarious. Most of the time, you have to pay to get into a comedy club if you want to laugh this hard. Germans lecturing Americans on racism? Ha!

Yes...I admit this is the most entertaining election of my lifetime. If only it weren't such a bad idea for Obama to be elected, it would be very amusing.

165 West Coast Freedom  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:34:54pm

ROTFLMAO - Posted today on HotAir.com about Obama throwing ACORN under the bus today. I just about blew all over my keyboard!

I’m convinced, Obama could take a shit, on stage, in front of 90,000 people, televised to 20 million viewers; wipe his ass, pull up his pants, walk over to the microphone, and with a straight face, say: “I did NOT, just shit on this stage.”

And 90% of those watching would say, “Oh God I love this man! Did you see that damn Republican guy take that huge shit on stage!“
FiveWays on October 14, 2008 at 5:07 PM

166 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:35:04pm

re: #137 Occasional Reader

"Can't I just have my waffle cone?"

Cake or sugar?

167 Ojoe  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:35:12pm

Palin drives media commentators to make foolish statements because they are afraid of her, because she has faith and they do not.

Watch the 180 degree twists.

This is a battle on the spiritual plane you may be sure.

168 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:35:37pm

re: #151 Sharmuta

What's next? Is filip dewinter going to denounce our racism too?

Wait.

/I have $5 down on that.

169 Soona'  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:36:08pm

re: #149 vagabond trader

And we are still protecting their worthless Eurotrash asses, why?

Because....because...........Hell, I don't know.

170 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:36:44pm

re: #168 Honorary Yooper

Wait.

/I have $5 down on that.

Joerg Haider would, but he already bought it.

171 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:37:03pm

re: #168 Honorary Yooper

Yes- I'm waiting for the brussels journal to denounce us with a long winded essay from fjordman.

172 FrogMarch  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:37:42pm

all of this bullshit reporting is code for:
"HOW DARE YOU CRITICIZE THE HOLY AND PRECIOUS BARACK OBAMA - THE CHOSEN ENLIGHTENED ALL-KNOWING WELL SPOKEN MESSIAH".

173 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:37:50pm

re: #157 maddogg

Just what the world needs, Germans accusing other people of racism.
Especially since we kicked their Nazi asses all over the world with
their central theme as racism, backed up with industrial mass murder. I
think their moral authority to point a crooked finger is lacking. They
seem to have lost none of their talent at bald faced lies, however.


What's next, the French are going to lecture us about courage, or the Italians about making quality automobiles?

174 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:38:02pm

re: #163 Mich-again

Thanks but no thanks for the race relations class taught be the Germans.

As an added bonus, the English will be offering a cooking class.

175 Irene NYC  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:38:05pm

re: #161 Spiny Norman

I was under the impression that Der Spiegel was something like a combination of Time and National Enquirer (not that there's much difference between the two anymore...), and heavy on the NE side.


Unlike Time, their covers always go for the sensational. Gruesome also (I particularly remember the one about Romy Schneider's adolescent son who got impaled on a pike of their wrought iron fence). It's not that they don't have serious stories inside, it's how they present and sell themselves - more National Enquirer. You know those Euroweenies. They pretend to be intellectual, but deep down they love the smut. Like all those Germans who go for sex tourism in southeast Asia.

176 arethusa  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:38:09pm

Well, with any luck, if McCain gets elected, we can all enjoy some Schadenfreude at their expense.

177 Maximu§  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:38:40pm

re: #6 goddessoftheclassroom

From a German magazine, no less!

The Nazi Party is alive and well....Joseph Goebbels would be proud of his little minions if he were alive.

178 bosforus  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:38:48pm

re: #176 arethusa

Well, with any luck, if McCain gets elected, we can all enjoy some Schadenfreude at their expense.

"Enjoy" is a very tame word for how I would feel.

179 alexknyc  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:38:49pm

I'm a life-long Democrat living in New York City. I'm one of about six people nationwide to have voted for Walter Mondale. I've never voted for a Republican candidate for President.

Until this year.

I'm disgusted by cheerleading masquerading as journalism. When my friends in the media complain about job losses and declining audiences, I tell them the reason is looking back at them in the mirror.

I'm fed up by more interest being shown regarding Sarah Palin's garbage than the trash Obama associates with. Bill Ayers is listed in the Chicago phonebook, maybe when the 16 people the New York Times sent to Alaska to go through Palin's dumpsters get back, one can go knock on Ayers's door.

But none of that is anything new.

The thing that has changed my vote is the current economic crisis. This is too big and too important to leave in the hands of one party. I've always thought it best to have bipartisanship when things get hairy. Giving Obama a Democratic Congress (with a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate) doesn't seem to me to be the best way to achieve that.

Since there's no chance the GOP will retake either house of Congress, my best hope for divided government (and the enforced bipartisanship that it requires), is to vote for McCain.

180 calcajun  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:38:56pm

Look, when a restaurant chain owned by African Americans is sued for being racist, then you know something is wrong.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Hell, I remember Sambos in Louisiana. We ate at one outside Baton Rouge when my brother was at LSU.

I an convinced that the people who are so quick to label someone with the epithet "racist" would know real racism if it bit 'em in the ass. Might I suggest a trip to Saudi Arabia.

181 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:38:58pm

Spaniards will offer an intensive seminar on humility, along with "how to kick the nicotine habit".

182 wolfie  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:39:04pm

re: #167 Ojoe

I think you are right, Ojoe.
It is all very strange.

183 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:39:09pm

re: #173 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

What's next, the French are going to lecture us about courage, or the Italians about making quality automobiles?

The Russians lecturing us about capitalism and the British lecturing us about cooking.

184 FrogMarch  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:39:14pm

Actually - it's the left-wing media who are racist. Would TIME or any of these other hack publications give a black conservative the time of day?

Never. Because left-wings are closet racists.

185 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:39:25pm

re: #171 Sharmuta

Yes- I'm waiting for the brussels journal to denounce us with a long winded essay from fjordman.

Complete with plenty of run-on sentences, long paragraphs, and sparse punctuation.

186 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:39:39pm

As someone who was called a "N-lover" this week for not keeping company with my own kind, I wish to comment on this quote:

But Palin, with plenty of abetment from McCain, has gotten it going again with the theme that Obama “is not a man who sees America like you and I see America."

BHObama does not see America the way most Americans—Black, White, Brown, Red, or Yellow—see America is not because of skin color. It is because:

He likes Liberation Theology (=euphemism for communism)
He is an Islamophile.
He has friends and business partners who are racists and terrorists.
Other than that, he's fine by me.

The person who called me that was from another minority, by the way.

187 arethusa  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:39:42pm

re: #172 FrogMarch

all of this bullshit reporting is code for:
"HOW DARE YOU CRITICIZE THE HOLY AND PRECIOUS BARACK OBAMA - THE CHOSEN ENLIGHTENED ALL-KNOWING WELL SPOKEN MESSIAH".

I was at a museum exhibit recently of treasures from the Vatican. It reminded me all over again of how some people do in fact treat Obama in Messianic ways. Scary.

188 Soona'  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:39:59pm

re: #173 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

What's next, the French are going to lecture us about courage, or the Italians about making quality automobiles?

Or the Brits making cooking suggestions.

189 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:40:29pm

re: #181 Occasional Reader

Spaniards will offer an intensive seminar on humility, along with "how to kick the nicotine habit".

(Sorry, alegrias, but there's a reason you never hear the phrase humildad castellana...)

190 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:40:32pm

It's beyond me why Der Spiegel is so in the tank for Sen. Obama, when it was his uncle that liberated Auschwitz and embarrassed the Germans for decades.

/

191 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:41:14pm

re: #190 OldLineTexan

It's beyond me why Der Spiegel is so in the tank for Sen. Obama, when it was his uncle that liberated Auschwitz and embarrassed the Germans for decades.

/

Yeah, but he came home and hid in the attic.

192 Irene NYC  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:41:48pm

re: #190 OldLineTexan

It's beyond me why Der Spiegel is so in the tank for Sen. Obama, when it was his uncle that liberated Auschwitz and embarrassed the Germans for decades.

/


I believe it was Buchenwald, actually.

193 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:41:52pm

Swedish workshop on chastity? Down the hall to the right.

194 West Coast Freedom  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:41:55pm

re: #179 alexknyc

Call my father-in-law for me. He is a life long Democrat, and for awhile I had him seeing what you just typed, but I still need to hammer this very point home with him. Thanks for posting BTW.

195 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:42:23pm

re: #188 Soona'

Or the Brits making cooking suggestions.

Or fashion suggestions. Or creating art. Or cars that don't leak oil, or have electrical problems.

196 Ojoe  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:42:54pm

re: #182 wolfie

Thank you.

197 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:43:02pm

re: #192 Irene NYC

I believe it was Buchenwald, actually.

Both. And Dachau.

/why stop there?

198 FrogMarch  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:43:25pm

re: #179 alexknyc

Now that's what I call HOPE.
Great post.

199 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:43:33pm

re: #197 Ward Cleaver

Both. And Dachau.

/why stop there?

And on the way home, he kicked Hezballah out of Lebanon.

200 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:43:36pm

re: #192 Irene NYC

I believe it was Buchenwald, actually.

I put the sarc tag in there because the stories were frankly so screwed up that I quit paying attention after a while. I have resorted to using it as a cheap shot. ;)

201 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:43:39pm

And the Dutch will offer a course in sexual modesty & the Russians on the evils of alcohol.

202 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:43:41pm

re: #193 Occasional Reader

Yes- across the hall from the class on non-alcoholic french wine.

203 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:43:43pm

re: #186 David IV of Georgia

So N lover. (just kidding) You hit the nail right on the head.

When McCain or most for that matter state that Obama doesn't see the world like we do....they are TELLING THE TRUTH. This is not because he is 1/2 black & 1/2 white but because he wants Socialism, to turn our backs on our Allies, hobnob with our enemies, kill G-d, "redistribute" your wealth, open the borders, and turn the U.S. (a Country created on rebuking Europe) into an European surrogate.

& this is EXACTLY 100% what the McCain campaign SHOULD have said.

Our "Mr. Tough" has become Mr. Wussy and is being tricked by red herrings.

204 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:43:55pm

"Does not see America as you and I do..."

LLL meaning: Racist!

Meaning to everyone else, those with half a freaking brain: He's a maxist ideologue bent on destroying the free traditions of this great country in order to make a better society. "Better" based on his own warped upbringing and teachings.

Racial-based, my ass.

205 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:43:55pm

re: #195 Ward Cleaver

Or fashion suggestions. Or creating art. Or cars that don't leak oil, or have electrical problems.

Lucas, God of Darkness!

206 vagabond trader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:44:09pm

re: #182 wolfie

It's not so strange Wolfie. One of the goals of the Socialist is to destroy faith in God and replace it with statism.

207 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:44:19pm

re: #199 Occasional Reader

And on the way home, he kicked Hezballah out of Lebanon.

The Fwench helped. Joe Biden took pictures.

208 Irene NYC  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:44:36pm

re: #197 Ward Cleaver

Both. And Dachau.

/why stop there?

You mean his uncle stopped Joe Stalin singlehandedly? That Obama family really is special.
;)

209 Outrider  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:44:43pm
But Palin, with plenty of abetment from McCain, has gotten it going again with the theme that Obama “is not a man who sees America like you and I see America." She’s selling Obama not as the black, but as the other. This obviously can appeal to racial fears and antagonisms.


Reading this comment as a racial statement says so much more about the journalist than it does about Gov Palin.

I see no other way to read it ~except~ as divergent viewpoints. I've tried parsing it every which way and just can't put it in a racial context.

210 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:44:47pm

re: #199 Occasional Reader

And on the way home, he kicked Hezballah out of Lebanon.

But then Bush let them back in!

/biden

211 Spiny Norman  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:44:47pm

re: #142 ploome hineni

lets's make it easier

since JEws have been in Europe longer, how many Jews have been elected?

Benjamin Disraeli.

Yes, I know his father converted, but that's a technicality.

And as Vagabond Trader noted, Nicolas Sarkozy has Jewish ancestry.

That makes two. So, on very rare occasions, the Euros will accept a Jew, as long as they can pretend they're not really Jewish...

212 fpxr[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:44:48pm
213 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:45:19pm

re: #206 vagabond trader

It's not so strange Wolfie. One of the goals of the Socialist is to destroy faith in God and replace it with statism.

The state then takes the place of God.

214 Soona'  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:45:19pm

re: #201 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

And the Dutch will offer a course in sexual modesty & the Russians on the evils of alcohol.

And down the hall will be the Sicilian gun safety seminar.

215 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:45:24pm

re: #201 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

And the Dutch will offer a course in sexual modesty & the Russians on the evils of alcohol.

Nice post. Spoken with true Italian understatement.

216 doppelganglander  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:45:29pm

re: #181 Occasional Reader

Spaniards will offer an intensive seminar on humility, along with "how to kick the nicotine habit".

I hear the author of Profils en Courage will be speaking, too.

217 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:45:44pm

re: #207 OldLineTexan

The Fwench helped. Joe Biden took pictures.

And had his thumb on the lens the whole time.

218 ROPMA  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:45:45pm

previously posted

a vile Palen smear

219 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:45:52pm

re: #205 OldLineTexan

Lucas, God of Darkness!

Why do the British drink warm beer?

Because they have Lucas refrigerators!

220 Desert Dog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:45:58pm

re: #184 FrogMarch

The left is the one running on race. It came up in the primaries and they are quick to pull out the race card now. I do not care what color Obama is or is not, I do not like his policies. There are some on the right that do not like him because of his race, that is for certain. But, how many on the left are voting for Obama because he is black? What is the percentage of black voters that are casting for Obama because of his race? The left are the ones separating people by race, basing policies on race, using race to divide people, not the right.

221 Irene NYC  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:46:27pm

re: #210 Ward Cleaver

But then Bush let them back in!

/biden

Ward, you are SO confused. That was the Jooos.
;)

222 eon  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:46:37pm

re: #177 Maximu§

The Nazi Party is alive and well....Joseph Goebbels would be proud of his little minions if he were alive.

Not mentioned in the Wiki entry, but IIRC, in 1946, when the British occupation government started the magazine (This Week) that later became Der Spiegel, it was largely staffed by former employees of Signal- the official weekly "picture magazine" of the Wehrmacht.

/I guess the gang from the Volkischer Beobachter didn't have the sense of style the British authorities were looking for

cheers

eon

223 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:46:39pm

Re: #212

Wow, deleted really is deleted now.

224 Nancy  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:47:12pm

Obama does NOT see America as I do. Sarah Palin is only saying what many already knew.

225 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:47:16pm

re: #209 Outrider

Opinion polls showed those independents that weren't voting for Obama were not doing so because of his associations, and far left leanings.

Thus, the Obama campaign (using an Old Democrat tool) made every comment about those things "Verboten".

Brilliant campaign tooling....but patently false.

226 Spiny Norman  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:47:29pm

Whoa. #212 got blasted pretty darn quick.

227 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:47:32pm

re: #223 Ward Cleaver

Re: #212

Wow, deleted really is deleted now.

Yeah, what the heck was it? I hit the new comments button before I read it.

228 FrogMarch  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:47:36pm

/Everything is code language now. Got that?

Obama and his supporters and surrogates have set race relations back 50 years.

229 doppelganglander  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:47:44pm

re: #223 Ward Cleaver

Re: #212

Wow, deleted really is deleted now.

Who is the non-person? A fresh troll?

230 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:47:53pm

re: #223 Ward Cleaver

Re: #212

Wow, deleted really is deleted now.

If a post falls in the forest, and I didn't even see it, does it make a sound?

231 bosforus  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:47:53pm

re: #223 Ward Cleaver

Re: #212

Wow, deleted really is deleted now.

busted!

232 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:48:17pm

re: #227 Honorary Yooper

Yeah, what the heck was it? I hit the new comments button before I read it.

Got me. Even the poster's identity is one. Wow.

233 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:48:35pm

re: #230 Occasional Reader

If a post falls in the forest, and I didn't even see it, does it make a sound?

Yes, but you need to take your hands off your ears first.

234 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:48:50pm

re: #232 Ward Cleaver

Got me. Even the poster's identity is one. Wow.

Er, gone. PIMF.

235 Maximu§  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:48:56pm

The Lone Ranger

This name is probably the one this guys uses in the Gay Bathhouse's he frequents.

236 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:49:18pm

re: #232 Ward Cleaver

Got me. Even the poster's identity is one. Wow.

Someone called "fpxr".

237 Colonel Panik  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:49:24pm

re: #205 OldLineTexan

Lucas, God of Darkness!

Prince of Darkness.

I saw a Land Rover Discovery in Palo Alto a few years ago that had this bumper sticker on it: "The parts falling off this car are of the finest British manufacture."

There was a time, believe it or not, when British products were known for quality. But the Labor Party and the unions brought that era to a close some time ago.

238 wolfie  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:49:35pm

re: #206 vagabond trader

It's not so strange Wolfie. One of the goals of the Socialist is to destroy faith in God and replace it with statism.

re: #213 Honorary Yooper

The state then takes the place of God.


Yes.

239 fpxr  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:49:53pm

re: #223 Ward Cleaver

not really.

240 Ojoe  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:50:00pm

re: #228 FrogMarch

Easily 50 years. And more, if 0bama is elected, and is a lousy president.

241 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:50:00pm

re: #228 FrogMarch

/Everything is code language now. Got that?

Obama and his supporters and surrogates have set race relations back 50 years.

Don't worry, his national service corps will straighten us out.

/this is the year zero!

/the killing fields

242 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:50:14pm

re: #227 Honorary Yooper

Yeah, what the heck was it? I hit the new comments button before I read it.

I can't say what it was without risk of deletion.

243 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:50:49pm

re: #242 Sharmuta

I can't say what it was without risk of deletion.

No gist even? Damn.

244 doppelganglander  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:51:01pm

OT: Here is how I want to die.

Woman, 90, Dies After Crashing New Sports Car

245 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:51:26pm

re: #237 Colonel Panik

I saw a Land Rover Discovery in Palo Alto a few years ago that had this bumper sticker on it: "The parts falling off this car are of the finest British manufacture."

They had that same bumper sticker for Jaguars back in the 1970s or early 80s.

246 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:51:27pm

re: #237 Colonel Panik

Sorry, my brother-in-law, a proud 1976 TR-6 owner, uses "God of Darkness", and that's whre I picked it up, while helping him install non-functional Lucas bits for a car show (he won).

/including an EMPTY battery case, LOL

247 Maximu§  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:51:28pm

re: #241 Ward Cleaver

Don't worry, his national service corps will straighten us out.

/this is the year zero!

/the killing fields

No Chance, we're too well armed for that BS. The last thing these MFer's want to do is start a civil war with the Christian's in America.

248 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:51:30pm

re: #237 Colonel Panik

Prince of Darkness.

I saw a Land Rover Discovery in Palo Alto a few years ago that had this bumper sticker on it: "The parts falling off this car are of the finest British manufacture."

There was a time, believe it or not, when British products were known for quality. But the Labor Party and the unions brought that era to a close some time ago.

One of the benefits of Ford having owned Jaguar was that they pushed all the Lucas parts out of the cars, and greatly improved their reliability. Of course now they're owned by Tata.

249 bosforus  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:51:54pm

re: #243 Honorary Yooper

No gist even? Damn.

Suffice it to say, "the 'n' word" sufficeth.

250 willowone  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:52:04pm

re: #244 doppelganglander

may we add a dove chocolate bar to that mix.

251 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:52:19pm
252 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:52:30pm

re: #242 Sharmuta

I can't say what it was without risk of deletion.

No dancing around it?

253 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:52:34pm

re: #249 bosforus

Suffice it to say, "the 'n' word" sufficeth.

Ah, that word. It's as bad as the c-bomb, IMHO.

254 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:52:48pm

re: #249 bosforus

Suffice it to say, "the 'n' word" sufficeth.

Oh.

255 Ojoe  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:53:11pm

re: #248 Ward Cleaver

A buddy of mine was riding his Velocette in the desert at night, really fast, and all the lights went out.

256 bosforus  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:53:20pm

re: #253 Honorary Yooper

Ah, that word. It's as bad as the c-bomb, IMHO.

Well, I'll go a little further and say that if you want to omit letters from the word, one is not enough.

257 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:53:29pm

re: #244 doppelganglander

OT: Here is how I want to die.

Woman, 90, Dies After Crashing New Sports Car

There are worse ways to go.

258 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:53:32pm

re: #205 OldLineTexan

Lucas, God of Darkness!

Dude, I thought the Star Wars prequels had their problems too, but let's not say that Lucas is the Devil!

259 nigella  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:53:34pm

I think the Germans are kissing up to Obama because they want him to come back and throw another free beer and sausages party.

260 wolfie  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:53:52pm

BBL. Need to throw raw meat to little wolves, lest they start howling!

261 Soona'  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:54:45pm

re: #247 Maximu§

No Chance, we're too well armed for that BS. The last thing these MFer's want to do is start a civil war with the Christian's in America.

Hmmmmm.

262 doppelganglander  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:54:46pm

re: #250 willowone

may we add a dove chocolate bar to that mix.

Sure. And maybe a hot young man by my side.

263 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:54:51pm

re: #258 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Dude, I thought the Star Wars prequels had their problems too, but let's not say that Lucas is the Devil!

Well, Parker and Stone seem to think so. See the last South Park?

264 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:54:52pm

re: #239 fpxr

not really.

Well, it was for me, at least temporarily.

You're lucky you didn't get the stick.

265 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:54:55pm

re: #243 Honorary Yooper

re: #252 Ward Cleaver

It stunk of GoV rationalization to me.

266 willowone  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:55:36pm

I'm starting to believe the media is full throttle trying to encourage hate and despair between americans. ALL americans.

267 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:55:39pm

re: #255 Ojoe

A buddy of mine was riding his Velocette in the desert at night, really fast, and all the lights went out.

Whoops!

268 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:55:56pm

re: #264 Ward Cleaver

Well, it was for me, at least temporarily.

You're lucky you didn't get the stick.

Stinky has been known to revisit stick decisions later.

269 bosforus  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:56:06pm

re: #253 Honorary Yooper

But to give context, fpxr did not use the word disparagingly (iirc, i barely saw it). I believe it was removed out of principle.

270 willowone  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:56:17pm

re: #262 doppelganglander
, Ok i'll take the older man. : } . well let me ask my husband if He minds first.

271 zato  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:56:20pm

Amazing how anybody can think that Barry is postracial and that he transcends race.... inspite of his having sat through 20 years of regular, vitriolic, racist and divisive sermons by Jeremiah Wright. I'm no shrink but my guess is that people who subscribe to that deeply flawed logic are possibly delusional and we seem to have a lot of them in our midst.

272 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:56:24pm

re: #184 FrogMarch

Actually - it's the left-wing media who are racist. Would TIME or any of these other hack publications give a black conservative the time of day?

Never. Because left-wings are closet racists.

More like warehouse racists. A closet is too small to contain all their hatred.

Somehow it is fitting that it is a German magazine printing a paean about the Messiah when one considers some of the policies Obama has openly and publically stated have strikingly close similarities to a lot of the policies as seen in Germany during the 1930's and '40's.

273 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:56:31pm

re: #269 bosforus

But to give context, fpxr did not use the word disparagingly (iirc, i barely saw it). I believe it was removed out of principle.

Okay.

274 y0kkles  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:56:32pm

I hope most sane people can see that her comments were not racist at all. I'm so sick of the libs claiming anything anyone ever says is racist.

275 Maximu§  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:56:33pm

re: #257 Honorary Yooper

There are worse ways to go.

and better ones also, like having sex with a beautiful 20 year old as your heart explodes and your Ferrari flys off PCH into the Pacific Ocean.

276 Outrider  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:56:57pm

re: #223 Ward Cleaver

Re: #212

Wow, deleted really is deleted now.


Damn. Charles is slow to rile, but when he deletes a person they stay deleted! lol


Error: This lizardoid's name does not seem to exist in the LGF repository.
277 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:57:06pm

re: #272 FurryOldGuyJeans

More like warehouse racists. A closet is too small to contain all their hatred.

Somehow it is fitting that it is a German magazine printing a paean about the Messiah when one considers some of the policies Obama has openly and publically stated have strikingly close similarities to a lot of the policies as seen in Germany during the 1930's and '40's.

Obamaland, Uber Alles?

278 maddogg  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:57:18pm

re: #255 Ojoe

A buddy of mine was riding his Velocette in the desert at night, really fast, and all the lights went out.

That happened a lot with Lucas electrics. Thats why Lucas was known among old time bikers (like me) as the prince of darkness.

279 vagabond trader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:57:32pm

re: #262 doppelganglander

They were both pretty damned hot. The car burst into flames. No thanks!

280 fpxr  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:57:34pm

re: #243 Honorary Yooper

It was a sarcastic play on the falsehood of "taking ownership" of an offensive word in order to "empower" yourself.

I USED the "/sarc" tag...

My opinion on why it was deleted -
I do not think that the gist of the post was why it was deleted, but it was the use of a word within the post without enough asteriks in it and since EDITING POSTS is not done, the only option was deletion.

Just my opinion.

It is not worth pursing. I am not a Troll.
Just a regular reader and very occasional poster.

281 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:57:38pm

re: #276 Outrider

That's the message I saw.

282 Eowyn2  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:57:40pm

Just in case nobody noticed in Germany.

Obama does NOT see the world the way I see the world. He obviously does NOT see the world the way Palin and her supporters see it.

Joe BIDEN does NOT see the world the way I see the world. Ted KENNEDY does NOT see the world the way I see the world. Michelle Obama does NOT see the world the way I see the world. Michael Moore does NOT see the world the way I see the world. Der Speigel does NOT see the world the way I see the world. Bill Ayers does NOT see the world the way I see the world. Bernadine Dorn does NOT see the world the way I see the world. Madonna does NOT see the world the way I see the world. the Reverand Wright does NOT see the world the way I see the world. Ache-in-my dinnerjacket does NOT see the world the way I see the world. Hugo Chavez does NOT see the world the way I see the world.

WHAT do all these people have against me? they are obviously mysoginistic middle aged single woman white haters. ELSE OF COURSE they would all see the world the way I do.

283 eon  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:57:44pm

re: #244 doppelganglander

OT: Here is how I want to die.

Woman, 90, Dies After Crashing New Sports Car

The next story down, by comparison, is how all too many people are likely to die in future;

911 Hung Up On Abducted Teen Who Managed To Call Before Her Murder

One more example of how much better everything works under a Labour style government.

/Do I really need the "sarc" tag?

cheers

eon

284 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:58:04pm

re: #266 willowone

No. They just are looking to "move past" "Jesus Land". I was one, and hang with Liberals, and media types. They aren't bad people, they just have no patience for anything they don't agree with. Their opinion are not simply opinions, they are (as far as they are concerned) THE FACTS/THE TRUTH/THE WAY, and if you disagree, you aren't simply having a difference of opinion, you are a racist, sexist, homophobe, evil, mean, angry, hateful, etc. They unconsciously believe they know what is best for everyone, and are just simply smarter, and more in touch with everything than anyone else is (especially if you disagree with them).

285 right_on_target  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:58:15pm

re: #6 goddessoftheclassroom

From a German magazine, no less!

________________________________
The author is an American who lives in Washington D C.

Peter Ross Range, a former White House correspondent for US News & World Report, also served as a Time Magazine correspondent in Germany and Vietnam. From 1999 to 2007 he was editor in chief of Blueprint, the magazine of the "moderate Democrats," a group that included Al Gore and Bill Clinton. Today he works as freelance journalist in Washington.


He found a sympathetic sounding board in SPIEGEL [International]

286 willowone  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:58:17pm

re: #271 zato
as He and His campaign are where this is originating from, why should that be believed, He did the same thing in his bid to win Dem nomination. Killed everyone in his path with racism. now on to the GE

287 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:58:36pm

re: #276 Outrider

I'm not getting that error. I can see the profile of the commentor when I click on the football.

288 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:58:43pm

re: #278 maddogg

That happened a lot with Lucas electrics. Thats why Lucas was known among old time bikers (like me) as the prince of darkness.

And the MGB, where they put the heater valve directly above the distributor? Genius!

289 vagabond trader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:59:07pm

re: #271 zato

Extreme white guilt. A friend of mine whose ancestors came over on the Mayflower has a severe case of it.

290 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:59:12pm

re: #287 Honorary Yooper

I'm not getting that error. I can see the profile of the commentor when I click on the football.

It was a momentary thing.

291 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:59:19pm

If McCain is supposed to speak out against those who might be "scared" of Obama in his name.....shouldn't Obama speak out against the numerous false charges of "racism" being made in his name?

292 calcajun  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:59:23pm

re: #248 Ward Cleaver

One of the benefits of Ford having owned Jaguar was that they pushed all the Lucas parts out of the cars, and greatly improved their reliability. Of course now they're owned by Tata.

Does anyone appreciate the irony that a venerable British firm has been owner not by one, but two companies of their former colonies.

Don't worry about Indian automakers. Start to worry when Indian construction companies start building Indian interstate highways.

293 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:59:43pm

re: #289 vagabond trader

Extreme white guilt. A friend of mine whose ancestors came over on the Mayflower has a severe case of it.

He could always go back to England, and shari'a.

294 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:59:49pm

re: #234 Ward Cleaver

re: #232 Ward Cleaver

Got me. Even the poster's identity is one. Wow.

Er, gone. PIMF.

One with the aether now. ;)

295 Soona'  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 2:59:56pm

re: #272 FurryOldGuyJeans

More like warehouse racists. A closet is too small to contain all their hatred.

Somehow it is fitting that it is a German magazine printing a paean about the Messiah when one considers some of the policies Obama has openly and publically stated have strikingly close similarities to a lot of the policies as seen in Germany during the 1930's and '40's.

You're right. Strikingly similar. Scary.

296 fpxr  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:00:03pm

re: #256 bosforus

Well, I'll go a little further and say that if you want to omit letters from the word, one is not enough.

MY Rookie mistake...
Thought it was enough...

Word was not used in an offensive manner just as a literary example.

a thousand pardons to all...

297 Tamron  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:00:08pm

re: #68 arethusa

6. Bill Ayers
7. Chicago Annenberg Challenge


8. Really Big Ears.
.

298 JacksonTn  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:00:27pm

Hey Lizards ..... I have been out all day ...... is Jesse Jackson under the bus?

299 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:00:38pm

Time to call it a night, Lizards.

300 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:01:13pm

re: #292 calcajun

Does anyone appreciate the irony that a venerable British firm has been owner not by one, but two companies of their former colonies.

Don't worry about Indian automakers. Start to worry when Indian construction companies start building Indian interstate highways.

They already do in India.

301 Maximu§  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:01:15pm

re: #283 eon

The next story down, by comparison, is how all too many people are likely to die in future;

911 Hung Up On Abducted Teen Who Managed To Call Before Her Murder

One more example of how much better everything works under a Labour style government.

/Do I really need the "sarc" tag?

cheers

eon

My God, I was hoping this was a joke. Did you read the last part?

In that vehicle with her was a man. That man was speaking to her in a heavily accented voice.”

I would bet my next check that "accent" was'nt English.

302 Irene NYC  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:01:28pm

re: #298 JacksonTn

Hey Lizards ..... I have been out all day ...... is Jesse Jackson under the bus?


Oh goodness, JT. Even if he were, the slimebag would just crawl right back out.
;)

303 willowone  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:01:33pm

re: #284 WrathofG-d
they truly have become fascist

304 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:01:35pm

re: #269 bosforus

But to give context, fpxr did not use the word disparagingly (iirc, i barely saw it). I believe it was removed out of principle.

So is fpxr deleted now, or is this Charles' way of preventing us from getting any info on the deleted message? I can see where people might troll LGF looking for deleted content, then looking for messages by the same person, to make us look bad.

305 UncleBuck  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:01:53pm

Spiegel are part of the 'usual suspects' when it comes to America bashing in Europe. What's more disturbing is the fact they import most of these venomous texts from the United States.

306 fpxr  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:02:29pm

re: #269 bosforus


thank you...

307 hermeneutics  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:02:38pm

re: #275 Maximu§

and better ones also, like having sex with a beautiful 20 year old as your heart explodes and your Ferrari flys off PCH into the Pacific Ocean.

Twenty? And you are how old?

308 nigella  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:02:43pm

fpxr, don't beat yourself up over it! We all have been deleted at least once, well maybe not all, but I was and I'm about as non-confrotational as they get. It happens.

309 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:02:53pm

re: #292 calcajun

Does anyone appreciate the irony that a venerable British firm has been owner not by one, but two companies of their former colonies.

Don't worry about Indian automakers. Start to worry when Indian construction companies start building Indian interstate highways.

Did you hear where Tata is having to find a new place to put the plant where they're going to build the Nano? Locals near the original site protested and rioted (after losing their land to Tata), and an executive for a supplier (an Italian transmission company) was beaten to death, after he laid off 150 workers.

310 willowone  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:03:24pm

re: #304 Kosh's Shadow

I can see where people might troll LGF looking for deleted content, then looking for messages by the same person, to make us look bad.

right

311 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:03:39pm

re: #303 willowone

Risking sounding like a loon.

In some ways I wonder if our choices in America these days are not simply between Socialism and Fascism (in the Gov owns Corporation sense. Not the Nazi sense)

Interesting (horrible) times.

312 Shug  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:03:43pm

Sieg Bile !

313 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:04:03pm

re: #280 fpxr

re: #304 Kosh's Shadow

Looks like I got my answer. The "user does not exist" message is to make it harder for LGF to look bad. That makes sense.
I can relax; I don't get much deleted (most of the time because I carelessly quoted a post that was later deleted), but I wanted to see if this was a bigger stick policy.

314 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:04:05pm

re: #308 nigella

fpxr, don't beat yourself up over it! We all have been deleted at least once, well maybe not all, but I was and I'm about as non-confrotational as they get. It happens.

Tell me about it. Got deleted just yesterday on a dead thread for a Wrigley Field joke.

315 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:04:18pm

re: #280 fpxr

It was a sarcastic play on the falsehood of "taking ownership" of an offensive word in order to "empower" yourself.

I USED the "/sarc" tag...

My opinion on why it was deleted -
I do not think that the gist of the post was why it was deleted, but it was the use of a word within the post without enough asteriks in it and since EDITING POSTS is not done, the only option was deletion.

Just my opinion.

It is not worth pursing. I am not a Troll.
Just a regular reader and very occasional poster.

It's almost a rite of passage to get deleted. I've been there.

316 vagabond trader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:04:42pm

re: #293 Ward Cleaver

She recently spent about ten days in the UK and thinks only the US has problems. Pitiful, her family were courageous pioneers, patriots, and now she sends her son to school in Canada to escape a non existent draft.

317 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:04:50pm

re: #314 Honorary Yooper

Tell me about it. Got deleted just yesterday on a dead thread for a Wrigley Field joke.

Tell it again!

/kidding!

318 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:05:25pm

re: #315 Ward Cleaver

Ha! You aint nobody around here till you've been deleted.

319 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:05:35pm

re: #317 Ward Cleaver

Tell it again!

/kidding!

Heh. It had to do with giving the address of Wrigley Field as in The Blues Brothers. :-)

320 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:05:38pm

re: #316 vagabond trader

She recently spent about ten days in the UK and thinks only the US has problems. Pitiful, her family were courageous pioneers, patriots, and now she sends her son to school in Canada to escape a non existent draft.

Oh brother.

321 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:05:46pm
322 Eowyn2  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:05:48pm

re: #285 right_on_target

________________________________
The author is an American who lives in Washington D C.

Peter Ross Range, a former White House correspondent for US News & World Report, also served as a Time Magazine correspondent in Germany and Vietnam. From 1999 to 2007 he was editor in chief of Blueprint, the magazine of the "moderate Democrats," a group that included Al Gore and Bill Clinton. Today he works as freelance journalist in Washington.


He found a sympathetic sounding board in SPIEGEL [International]

completely objective journalism.
whats wrong with you people
cant the guy have an opinion
racists
/.........:,;

323 willowone  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:05:59pm

re: #311 WrathofG-d
I understand, it's surreal, The projection, I don't even believe It Is Honest.

this is a campaign to damage. and not just their political apponent, but half of Americans . disgusting ,borish, and evil.

324 Desert Dog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:06:15pm

re: #271 zato

Amazing how anybody can think that Barry is postracial and that he transcends race.... inspite of his having sat through 20 years of regular, vitriolic, racist and divisive sermons by Jeremiah Wright. I'm no shrink but my guess is that people who subscribe to that deeply flawed logic are possibly delusional and we seem to have a lot of them in our midst.

He sat there for the same reason he used Ayers and a springboard, and the same reason he ran for the Illinois legislature, and why he announced his candidacy for President after serving only briefly as a Senator.....it's all about ambition.

He knew Ayers was as scumbag, but it benefited him at the time. He sat there in that church and heard every word of hate spew forth, but it gave him the necessary street cred.

Watch out if you become a liability with Barry though. He apparently will toss anyone under that bus when they get in the way. The odd thing is that he gotten away with it for so long ....and why is that? He has used his race as a shield to deflect it...Criticize him, complain about him, point out the obvious and you are labeled a racist.

325 Outrider  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:06:17pm

re: #287 Honorary Yooper

I'm not getting that error. I can see the profile of the commentor when I click on the football.

I went back and looked again. I'm getting the normal box now. I must of caught it at the right time?

326 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:06:30pm

re: #317 Ward Cleaver

I got deleted for posting a funny "Nigerian spam" supposedly from Suha Arafat, because it had phone numbers in it.
I now remove any phone numbers, so you won't be able to find out how to call Ms. Arafish's solicitor, named "Batman", IIRC.

327 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:06:32pm

re: #316 vagabond trader

and now she sends her son to school in Canada to escape a non existent draft

Wow. That's beyond mere moonbat. It's downright delusional.

328 willowone  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:06:39pm

opponent

329 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:07:25pm

re: #131 calcajun

I find it funny when Europeans and Asians lecture us about our "racism". I have known many folks from across the pond and have found that some of the biggest bigots I have ever met hail from France and Germany--our supposedly "enlightened" allies. They have the balls to criticize us when their own social programs are discriminatory. And for Gunther here to accuse Palin of racism when she never mentions it is pure Orwellian double-speak. He essentially accuses her of speaking in code.

The most racist people I have known were met in the Northeastern US, were immigrants or children of immigrants in the US, or people I met overseas. If I tell any Eastern Europeans that I lived a couple of months with Romani (=Gypsies) their eyes get big and they get all flustered and don't know what to say.

Yes there are some racist Southern boys in Texas, but you have to go deep into the woods to find them these days. (Texas does have woods, US National Forest land, in fact. While Texas does have some desert, all those Texas scenes in the old western movies were shot in California.)

330 doppelganglander  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:07:43pm

re: #283 eon

That's just horrible. Even for a country where people have no right to defend themselves against assault or burglary, that's extreme.

331 Soona'  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:07:46pm

re: #318 WrathofG-d

Ha! You aint nobody around here till you've been deleted.

Really? So, what does a person have to do to get deleted around here?

332 hermeneutics  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:07:56pm

re: #324 Desert Dog

Dog, If I gave you this info already, sorry for the repeat -- LGF Election Day Party at my house, Carefree.

If interested, nic is blue.

333 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:08:13pm

re: #323 willowone

Well I meant my comment in a very specific way:

Obama wants to "redistribute wealth" and have a larger government to control the people. (Socialism)

McCain wants to have the corporations merge with the Government. (Fascism)

Its where they agree that should scare us the most.

334 eon  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:08:31pm

re: #205 OldLineTexan

Lucas, God of Darkness!

More like God of Dorkiness. But in fact, Lucas is a pretty hard-core lefty, witness the names he gave some of the villains in The Phantom Menace;

The Neimoidian leader of the Trade Federation task force invading the planet Naboo was named "Nute Gunray" ( a pun on both Newt Gingrich and Ronald Reagan).

Their Galactic Council rep was name "Lott Dod" ( a pun on Trent Lott).

Source; Star Wars Episode 1; The Visual Dictionary, by David West Reynolds, Dorling Kindersley, 1999.

Just once I'd like to see a SW villain with a name like Pelosi Reeda or Obam Bide.

/just in the interest of fair shares

cheers

eon

335 nigella  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:08:56pm

fpxr, I think the funniest thing that happened to me was when the rating up or down function was first introduced, I didn't realize that it showed who dinged you. I was having a bad day and it was a kind of bash Bush thread, so I dinged down anyone who said anything bad or remotely bad. Did I get an eyeful when people confronted me on why I was down dinging! Needless to say I make sure my down and up dings are deserved now!

336 fpxr  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:09:06pm

re: #315 Ward Cleaver

Well its my first time.... a little jarring.

On the bright side, I guess I can trade in my white belt for a yellow belt now, eh?

337 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:09:06pm

re: #331 Soona'

OT

Quickest way?: Personally attack and insult Charles.
(that isn't what I did necessarily)

338 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:09:12pm
339 willowone  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:09:14pm

re: #333 WrathofG-d
Yes, i had heard the Plumber comment. Plain as day , unhidden context, everyone should understand that one.

340 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:09:53pm

re: #331 Soona'

Really? So, what does a person have to do to get deleted around here?

Use the n-word.
Call for the killing of someone (other than a terrorist).
Post a phone number or address.
Call for nuking of a certain location of great esteem in a supposedly peaceful religion.
I'm sure there are more.

341 arethusa  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:09:55pm

re: #266 willowone

I'm starting to believe the media is full throttle trying to encourage hate and despair between americans. ALL americans.

But, see, hateful acts against others and despair then become news stories. It's a self-perpetuating cycle.

342 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:10:56pm

re: #339 willowone

What amazes me the most is the comments by Obama supports who will swear that they just want to "help out the Country" by voting for Obama's policies (hope, heal wounds, Change) then discuss how the policies specifically help them ("we're not in the 150,000/year range")

343 willowone  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:10:58pm

re: #341 arethusa
hell of a way to procure Job security.

344 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:11:09pm

re: #334 eon

More like God of Dorkiness. But in fact, Lucas is a pretty hard-core lefty, witness the names he gave some of the villains in The Phantom Menace;

The Neimoidian leader of the Trade Federation task force invading the planet Naboo was named "Nute Gunray" ( a pun on both Newt Gingrich and Ronald Reagan).

Their Galactic Council rep was name "Lott Dod" ( a pun on Trent Lott).

Source; Star Wars Episode 1; The Visual Dictionary, by David West Reynolds, Dorling Kindersley, 1999.

Just once I'd like to see a SW villain with a name like Pelosi Reeda or Obam Bide.

/just in the interest of fair shares

cheers

eon

Especially since 0bama is acting more like Senator Palpatine than Bush ever did.
Besides, he's uses anger (see his racism speech), much like Sith Lords.

345 joan  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:11:14pm

The most deadly betrayal of America, the betrayal that guarantees accelerating sabotage of this government of the people, by the people, for the people, is the collapse of honor, love of truth, rigor, objectivity and a sense of humility and duty, among journalists. Whether print, broadcast or new media--the wholesale surrender of these gatekeepers of information ensures that we the people are manipulated and led to wrong conclusions based on slander, bias, redaction and partisan activism in the press. Shame forever, to those who refuse to hold themselves accountable, who pridefully foist their own political preferences upon us, as censors and propagandists.
This betrayal of trust is the most bitter.

346 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:11:35pm

re: #334 eon

More like God of Dorkiness. But in fact, Lucas is a pretty hard-core lefty, witness the names he gave some of the villains in The Phantom Menace;

The Neimoidian leader of the Trade Federation task force invading the planet Naboo was named "Nute Gunray" ( a pun on both Newt Gingrich and Ronald Reagan).

Their Galactic Council rep was name "Lott Dod" ( a pun on Trent Lott).

Source; Star Wars Episode 1; The Visual Dictionary, by David West Reynolds, Dorling Kindersley, 1999.

Just once I'd like to see a SW villain with a name like Pelosi Reeda or Obam Bide.

/just in the interest of fair shares

cheers

eon

If there was a better plot and acting from the prequel trilogy I could consider over-looking the politicing of the naming. The over-all stories were so abysmal that the names are the best part of the travesty. The irony of Jar-Jar being so blatantly Step-n-Fetch'it was an unintentional hoot.

347 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:11:42pm
348 Eowyn2  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:11:43pm

re: #329 David IV of Georgia

The most racist people I have known were met in the Northeastern US, were immigrants or children of immigrants in the US, or people I met overseas. If I tell any Eastern Europeans that I lived a couple of months with Romani (=Gypsies) their eyes get big and they get all flustered and don't know what to say.

Yes there are some racist Southern boys in Texas, but you have to go deep into the woods to find them these days. (Texas does have woods, US National Forest land, in fact. While Texas does have some desert, all those Texas scenes in the old western movies were shot in California.)

cue deliverance music.

349 Soona'  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:11:44pm

re: #337 WrathofG-d

OT

Quickest way?: Personally attack and insult Charles.
(that isn't what I did necessarily)

I didn't mean.....oh, never mind.

350 eon  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:12:27pm

re: #341 arethusa

But, see, hateful acts against others and despair then become news stories. It's a self-perpetuating cycle.

I'm sure the MSM thinks of it as guaranteeing their job security. After all, their motto is "If It Bleeds, It Leads".

cheers

eon

351 willowone  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:12:27pm

re: #342 WrathofG-d
well they are silly to believe They too will not have to give up their "Pie",
First my Piece when that is mnot enough it moves down the food chain.

352 arethusa  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:12:32pm

re: #291 WrathofG-d

If McCain is supposed to speak out against those who might be "scared" of Obama in his name.....shouldn't Obama speak out against the numerous false charges of "racism" being made in his name?

Why would he want to do that? Keeps his base inflamed.

353 hermeneutics  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:12:44pm

"White folk's greed runs a world in need."

Jeremiah Wright.

354 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:12:47pm

re: #338 ploome hineni

regarding Obama:


how do you know what is in Obama's heart.?

how do o many people say this?

considering how Obama lies about ALL his associations, how can anyone absolutely make this type of statement?

By his fruits.

355 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:13:03pm

Got to get ready to go to a dinner with the rabbi in his sukkah.
Back later. (Maybe sooner if I get dressed quickly)

356 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:13:41pm

re: #353 hermeneutics

"White folk's greed runs a world in need."

Jeremiah Wright.

What was it that BHO said about white people on a cruise eating enough food to feed Haiti?

357 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:13:56pm

re: #354 MandyManners

By his fruits.

Hemlock or belladonna, eh?

358 arethusa  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:13:58pm

re: #298 JacksonTn

Hey Lizards ..... I have been out all day ...... is Jesse Jackson under the bus?

I thought he just said about Zionists what Obama thinks in private?/

359 vagabond trader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:13:59pm

re: #327 Occasional Reader

Needless to say our friendship has not been the same.We both belong to a history related society and she reveres her ancestors, all of whom fought in every war from the middle ages on. Very strange indeed.

360 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:14:20pm
361 willowone  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:14:24pm

re: #345 joan
enter America new media" Pravda for Dummies",
no insut to all dummies out there, i also gloried in my dopiness for decades.

362 Soona'  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:14:42pm

re: #348 Eowyn2

cue deliverance music.

Have you ever been to Borger?

363 Maximu§  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:14:50pm

re: #307 hermeneutics

Twenty? And you are how old?

Lighten up, it was a joke.

364 zato  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:15:07pm

re: #259 nigella

I think the Germans are kissing up to Obama because they want him to come back and throw another free beer and sausages party.

And maybe also because he likes to chat with monster dictators without preconditions...

365 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:15:27pm

re: #363 Maximu§

Lighten up, it was a joke.

Francis?

366 vagabond trader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:16:19pm

re: #356 MandyManners

Whitey cruise ships dump more food than the average Haitian sees in a year. Or some such hysteria.

367 MJBrutus  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:16:27pm

All together now:

I'm a racist.
He's a racist.
She's a racist.
They're all racists.
Wouldn't ya like to be a racist too?

368 maddogg  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:16:42pm

re: #353 hermeneutics

"White folk's greed runs a world in need."

Jeremiah Wright.

Yep, thats why the pore ole' sumbitch lives in a shack made of pasteboard and flattened out soup cans, cause the white man's greed be keepin' his fat ass down.

369 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:16:56pm

re: #364 zato

And maybe also because he likes to chat with monster dictators without preconditions...

Well, he won't talk to Bush or McCain without extensive buffers. ;)

370 Soona'  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:16:56pm

re: #354 MandyManners

By his fruits.

And nuts. Wait a minute, Jesse has those.

371 baxtrice  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:17:14pm

Wow, this is how you quash dissent. By using a "label" so heinous that no one wants to be saddled with it. Congrats Barry and your MSM buddies, You're doing a bang up job "leveling" (silencing) your opposition. /sarc

When do I get deported to the re-education camp?

372 hermeneutics  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:17:31pm

re: #356 MandyManners

What was it that BHO said about white people on a cruise eating enough food to feed Haiti?

I don't remember, Mandy. Sorry. How are you doing anyway? Son doing well in school?

373 doppelganglander  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:17:49pm

re: #347 ploome hineni

I know and do business with many Roma..and you really have to be there to understand why many find Roma frustrating and diagreeable to work with

it is not racism

When I lived in Spain I had my laundry stolen from my car by Gypsies. At least, I assume it was Gypsies, since the Spanish assured me that they commit all the crime in Spain.

374 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:17:59pm
375 hermeneutics  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:18:44pm

re: #363 Maximu§

Lighten up, it was a joke.

Okay, dear. No minimumus for your maximumus.

376 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:18:49pm

re: #371 baxtrice

Wow, this is how you quash dissent. By using a "label" so heinous that no one wants to be saddled with it. Congrats Barry and your MSM buddies, You're doing a bang up job "leveling" (silencing) your opposition. /sarc

When do I get deported to the re-education camp?

Arbeit Macht Frei (Work Brings Freedom)

377 willowone  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:19:22pm

re: #367 MJBrutus

What's insane about all this is Why does anyone Have the expectation that Republicans would Vote for the most liberal senator anyway, aside from the lies, crooked deals, acquaintances, friends, and such.

378 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:19:25pm

re: #370 Soona'

And nuts. Wait a minute, Jesse has those.

[Link: thepeoplescube.com...]

379 arethusa  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:19:47pm

re: #367 MJBrutus

All together now:

I'm a racist.
He's a racist.
She's a racist.
They're all racists.
Wouldn't ya like to be a racist too?

Should the newest book in a popular children's series be called: So You Want to Be a Racist...?/

380 baxtrice  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:19:57pm

re: #376 FurryOldGuyJeans

Arbeit Macht Frei (Work Brings Freedom)

Nah, they'll have me in a camp, I've got a disability.

381 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:20:04pm

re: #359 vagabond trader

and she reveres her ancestors, all of whom fought in every war from the middle ages on

Every war?! Man, they must be exhausted!

382 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:20:13pm

re: #377 willowone

What's insane about all this is Why does anyone Have the expectation that Republicans would Vote for the most liberal senator anyway, aside from the lies, crooked deals, acquaintances, friends, and such.

Because He is The One, silly.

383 Noah's Arrrgh  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:20:17pm

Unfortunately, this is the usual nonsense that passes for analysis at Der Spiegel, as is amply documented at the indispensable Davids Medienkritik.

Here are some of the latest memes the German media are pushing:

Global Economic Crisis = America's Fault
How the Wall Street Bosses Gambled Away Billions and led our Financial System to Ruin
Americans Destined to be Losers

As the sites authors point out, the major issues the German Press obsesses about are:


1. Perceived American religiosity and/or prudishness.

2. Perceived American obsession with guns and violence.

3. The death penalty.

4. The perceived excess and superficiality of American capitalism and (non)culture (i.e. fat people, the super rich, SUVs, fast-food, M-TV/hip-hop culture, Hollywood, corporate scandals, buy-outs and "excessive" profits.)

5. Exaggeration of social inequality in the United States (i.e. amerikanische Verhaeltnisse, poor Americans are starving and freezing to death or at least struggling with 2-3 jobs and no health insurance while the rich live it up. Perception that America has no social safety net or a woefully inadequate social safety net.)

6. Racism in America

7. America as gluttonous world polluter.

8. Perceived American unilateralism/exceptionalism (i.e. Iraq, Kyoto, ICC, Guantanamo)

9. Perceived American "hurrah" patriotism or "hyper" patriotism (i.e. flag-waving).

10. Perceived American paranoia/overreaction about terror and obsession with security and the "war" on terror and the perceived willingness of Americans to sacrifice key civil liberties (the Patriot Act has become a favored target) and take extrajudicial actions involving torture, renditions, etc.

11. The perception that the Bush administration controls (or at least dominates) the media and can somehow intimidate or cow the media into following the party line. The perceived view that there is a lack of diversity of opinion in US media (because it is allegedly dominated by conservatives!) The perceived view that FoxNews, talk radio and blogs are the menacing conservative vanguard of what all US media are becoming or have already become. (i.e. US media are "gleichgeschaltet" or in lock-step with Bush and the neo-cons.)

12. Anything that casts a negative light on the US military (i.e. Abu Ghraib, trials of US troops, bombings or killings of civilians real or imagined).

13. Anything that casts a negative light on the Bush administration.

14. Iraq is a disaster-quagmire-catastrophe-debacle perhaps unparalleled in human history. Iraq = Vietnam = defeat and humiliation for America, the US military and Bush.

15. The perception of the US as an imperial hegemon out to expand its global power and military-industrial complex while using democracy as a convenient (yet false) excuse to do so. Oil = blood = Halliburton = war.

Someone remind me: Why do we still have troops in Germany? Isn't it high time we let them provide for their own security?

384 vagabond trader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:20:24pm

re: #374 ploome hineni

Meanwhile ole Jerry Wright is living it up in his Chicago mansion.The one in the gated, mostly caucasian community.

385 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:21:18pm

re: #347 ploome hineni

I know and do business with many Roma..and you really have to be there to understand why many find Roma frustrating and diagreeable to work with

it is not racism

I know. I understand. They do have interesting habits and an ancient culture that are not mainstream by Western standards. They will shield you from the more unpleasant parts of their culture if they decide that you are like family to them. They can be quite friendly and very hard working when among their own people.

386 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:21:27pm
387 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:22:02pm

re: #380 baxtrice

Nah, they'll have me in a camp, I've got a disability.

Ummmm, the concentration camps WERE where all the disabled were sent. No need to re-educate those The State doesn't find useful.

388 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:22:08pm

re: #352 arethusa

I was attempting to point out the ridiculousness, and hypocrisy of the Democrat claim regarding McCain. McCain has been forced into a position of defending something he didn't even do, and he is too stupid to not see it. He fell for their "how many times do you beat your wife" question.

re: #351 willowone

Exactly! "Rich" and "poor" are relative terms. Thus, when the "Rich" of today are turned into the "Middle Class" (because they will no longer be rewarded for their hard work), the "Middle Class" of today, will become the Poor. At that point, our Socialist Supreme Leader will decide that since the "top 10%" are those making over $100,000, they are now the "Rich" with too much profit, and they will have their taxes raised again. This will continue till we are all waiting on bread lines for hours together in the United Socialist Republics of America!

389 DisturbedEma  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:22:46pm

About that dead thread OT

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

Jesse Jackson, last heard saying he wanted to cut Obama's "nuts" off has now taken to reclining in France and expound on what life will be like in the Obamanation. . .and hey, sounds like Israel and anyone who supports her are in for "change they cannot comprehend" in that Zionists will be shown the door. . .hmmmm

I have often wondered how my fellow Jews can, as a people, continue to breathe under the sand they bury their heads in about the Democratic party and the allowances and excuses they make for their brethern in the party. . .

Here in A shtetl ca- Left liberal political thought has demonized Israel in the face of terro bombings, lynchings of Jews, the machine gun deaths of children and their pregnant mother (they were "settlers") and all while swallowing wholesale the idea of "land for pieces. . .I mean peace.

Dennis Roth wrote about the years he worked on peace in the region, under Clinton, and there has been little if any evidence to support the existience of anyone on the Palestinian side that wants peace more than they want genocide for Jews and the destruction of Israel wholesale. . .and up to this point American presidents have been divided on the peace process, but not on whether or not Israel should exist. . .until now.

Adding up why an American Jew should NOT vote for Obama is not hard;

The less than 6 degrees of seperatation between Obama and those who call for Israel's destruction;

1. Obama ->Last month his Advisors meet with Hamas and Hiz b'Alla -> 2. Advisor alsos linked to CAIR ->3. linked to the Holy Land Foundation -> 4. Funded Hamas and Hiz b' Alla-> 5. These group commit acts aimed at genocide and are antisemitic to their core to destroy the Jewish state. . .

Look at that. . .1 degree left over. . .and Wright's link to NOI and Farrakhan and Hamas. . .not even needed!

There are NONE so blind as those who refuse to see. . .and I for one would rather enter into the next 4 years with my eyes open and breathing sand free air than go back to the Democratic party. . .


See, it is just so hard to imagine that this could be as momentous as 1933, similiar economic worries and the same old hate and even more politically correct to hate Jews. . .now Jews are included in the hate. . .and yet we, as a community, refuse to heed the words and give them zero credibility. . .and will for the most part STILL believe that all is well, on our way to pariahhood and who knows. . .

We are living in the American shtetl, our heads in the sand, and if we dared to ask "what if these people calling for our deaths are serious" what would we do? Many do not even care, and those of us who do are surrounded by those who have accepted the utter correctness of Jew, oh I mean Israel hating. . .those damn Zionists. . .fuck them and their shitty country (quote from a French diplomat)

Imagine if these statements about Jews were being made about ANY other group. . .would we call these statements hate speech. . .Yep. Would we vote them into office? Hell no. . .unless they speak of another Holocaust, or deny the most recent one. . or threaten to nuke Israel. . .they THEN we. collectivly as Jews are urged to "ignore them" or worse yet, SHOW RESTRAINT!

GOTTENYU!

390 arethusa  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:22:51pm

re: #383 Noah's Arrrgh


Someone remind me: Why do we still have troops in Germany? Isn't it high time we let them provide for their own security?

Originally, it was for the Cold War (so Russia would not invade West Germany - the "frontier" back then). Now it's because our bases there are important hubs for moving supplies and troops to other theaters. We are not - I think - actually there to defend the Germans.

391 maddogg  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:23:20pm

re: #387 FurryOldGuyJeans

Ummmm, the concentration camps WERE where all the disabled were sent. No need to re-educate those The State doesn't find useful.

Euthanasia.....life unfit to live.

392 Soona'  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:24:12pm

re: #378 Fat Jolly Penguin

Funny. Very funny.

393 Cicero05  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:24:14pm

Germans have re: #371 baxtrice

When do I get deported to the re-education camp?

Names are being taken down now.

394 baxtrice  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:24:33pm

re: #387 FurryOldGuyJeans

Ummmm, the concentration camps WERE where all the disabled were sent. No need to re-educate those The State doesn't find useful.

Yes, I know. Fortunately, I was taught proper history, not feel good liberal history.

395 Arkay  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:24:39pm

re: #58 Occasional Reader

"Obama is a lot like soft-serve ice cream, because..."

[discuss.]

His name and a picture of ice cream have both been mistaken for the name of Allah.

396 arethusa  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:24:47pm

re: #388 WrathofG-d

I was attempting to point out the ridiculousness, and hypocrisy of the Democrat claim regarding McCain. McCain has been forced into a position of defending something he didn't even do, and he is too stupid to not see it. He fell for their "how many times do you beat your wife" question.

I know you were pointing out the hypocrisy - I totally agree. But *not* stopping this nonsense keeps Obama's supporters raring to go, because they really do believe their guy is being wronged.

397 GeeWiz  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:25:23pm

re: #308 nigella

Hush ya mouth. I have never been deleted and continue to work towards that goal! Self-censorship is a wonderful thing.

398 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:25:45pm

re: #353 hermeneutics

"White folk's greed runs a world in need."

Jeremiah Wright.

Did you hear Hannity's montage earlier today? I heard a line from that whackjob "Reverend" I've never heard before -- something like America's doing just what al Qaeda's doing, but under a different flag. I was so mad I had to pull off to the side of the road to stop shaking.

399 baxtrice  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:25:58pm

re: #393 Cicero05

Think they'll serve Waffles? LOL

400 nyc redneck  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:26:18pm

all these msm propagandists are the ones trying to interject a phony racial angle,
sarah is simply talking abt. what a bad candidate he is.
an anti-american radical commie . neither mccain nor sarah have said anything abt. his race.
it is his RED thinking not the color of his skin that makes him a danger to our country.
it is that simple.
fck the msm. they are the racists.

401 vagabond trader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:26:27pm

Fug em. What has Michelle Obama done for anyone but herself? Just look at the charitable work that Cindy McCain has sponsored in the worst places on the planet.Some racism.

402 Irene NYC  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:26:35pm

re: #329 David IV of Georgia

The most racist people I have known were met in the Northeastern US, were immigrants or children of immigrants in the US, or people I met overseas. If I tell any Eastern Europeans that I lived a couple of months with Romani (=Gypsies) their eyes get big and they get all flustered and don't know what to say.

Yes there are some racist Southern boys in Texas, but you have to go deep into the woods to find them these days. (Texas does have woods, US National Forest land, in fact. While Texas does have some desert, all those Texas scenes in the old western movies were shot in California.)

Well, David, I live in the Northeast, I'm a child of immigrants, and both my parents were from Eastern Europe. So, it's a trifecta of sorts going on here.

Just wanted to let you know that I see stupid every day of my life and I can't say that flustered describes my reaction to it.

403 Cicero05  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:27:06pm

re: #399 baxtrice

Think they'll serve Waffles? LOL

What makes you think they'll serve anything?

404 FrogMarch  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:27:30pm

The Ant and the Grasshopper. And the State”parable 16 from the Big Red Book of Obama

I dedicate this to Barney Frank.

IN a field one summer’s day a Grasshopper was hopping about, chirping and singing to its heart’s content. An Ant passed by, bearing along with great toil an ear of corn he was taking to the nest.
“Why not come and chat with me,” said the Grasshopper, “instead of toiling and moiling in that way?”
“I am helping to lay up food for the winter,” said the Ant, “and recommend you to do the same.”
“Why bother about winter?” said the Grasshopper; “we have got plenty of food at present.” But the Ant went on its way and continued its toil. When the winter came the Grasshopper had no food, and found itself dying of hunger, while it saw the ants distributing every day corn and grain from the stores they had collected in the summer.
No worries, though, the grasshopper decided. For he was entitled to some of that corn, being hungry and all, and to deny him food was a moral failing on the part of the Ants, whose greed was so loathsome that it should be punished by those who respected social justice. So the grasshopper complained loudly to his leaders about this terrible inequity in food distribution.
Which is when the state — ever compassionate and wise — stepped in, confiscated ALL the food, and divided it out fairly and evenly among ALL of God’s creatures (save for the bits they kept for themselves, and for those who’d especially helped them to power, all of whom received extra rations for being the most equal of all), and not a soul went hungry that winter, though nearly all grew quite weak — a small price to pay for equality of outcome. And the greater good.

405 J.S.  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:27:47pm

re: #383 Noah's Arrrgh

I believe similar sentiments are rampant in the UK...(when the markets crashed in London -- there were riots -- yes, riots -- and who were they blaming? They were blaming America...)

406 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:27:52pm

re: <
Someone remind me: Why do we still have troops in Germany? Isn't it high time we let them provide for their own security?


We're not there to protect them!
We're there to keep our eye on them!
BUUAAHHHAHA!

407 baxtrice  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:28:02pm

re: #403 Cicero05

It was a joke, an attempt to lighten the mood. And a little jab at Obama. Work with me...

408 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:28:11pm

re: #396 arethusa

Do you have any actual EVIDENCE that there were people at McCain rallies screaming out "Lynch Him" (or something like that using the word "lynch") or "Kill him" (or something like that using the word "kill")?

I heard both these claims in an interview between Victor David Hanson (hello, if you are reading this), and a Air America Radio Host this morning at approximately 9:30-10:00 a.m. or so.

I heard the "scared" comment (a Conservative should be), and the "arab" comment (not Arab, but technically Muslim), but not the others above & I WANT PROOF!

409 hermeneutics  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:28:31pm

re: #398 Fat Jolly Penguin

Did you hear Hannity's montage earlier today? I heard a line from that whackjob "Reverend" I've never heard before -- something like America's doing just what al Qaeda's doing, but under a different flag. I was so mad I had to pull off to the side of the road to stop shaking.

I missed it ... and I'm glad. I'm utterly frustrated and infuriated at Mac's campaigning. Where the heck are the Republican 527s in dicey states? Anyone see any ads?

Dems want to revisit the New Deal -- New Deal 2.0. I can't imagine anything worse. Take a peek at this, if you can stomach it: [Link: www.politico.com...]

410 arethusa  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:28:51pm

re: #401 vagabond trader

Fug em. What has Michelle Obama done for anyone but herself? Just look at the charitable work that Cindy McCain has sponsored in the worst places on the planet.Some racism.

And, of course, the McCains also adopted a daughter from Bangladesh. Something I wish more people knew about, because it really speaks to their character.

411 right_on_target  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:28:57pm

re: #93 Desert Dog

Der Spiegel is German's Time Magazine. So, anything coming from them will be left leaning. Of course, they also "act" like they are impartial, balanced and fair, just like Time.

__________________________________
Right after Katrina I met some German reporters and cameramen outside New Orleans. I asked if they wanted some information or personal insight into the entire debacle concerning evacuations and flooding. I thought they might be interested since I'm a naturalized US citizen [from Germany] and could speak in German on their news show. I was wrong.
They had their minds made up or got their marching orders from der Chef [the boss] and that was to show the plight of the poor and the
"suppression" of the blacks.

I got into an argument with them so I didn't catch their association which later I regretted since I wanted to write a letter to their Volksaufklärung und Propaganda Minister.

412 DisturbedEma  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:29:24pm

re: #394 baxtrice

Actually the disabled were used in trials to fine tune the mass murder machines of the future concentration campe.

Germans as early as the 1920s were compelling doctors and midwives to surrender "imperfect" children they attended the births of or treated, to the "proper places"

They were gassed in trucks, given lethal injections, burned alive, and shot en masse. . .all of these methods were researched, and eventually the "shower" setting of the chambers was created to first maximize the kill ratios per run and also to remove the panic factor- fucking bastards the lot.

413 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:29:40pm

re: #405 J.S.

I believe similar sentiments are rampant in the UK...(when the markets crashed in London -- there were riots -- yes, riots -- and who were they blaming? They were blaming America...)

Blaming others is the lazy person's way of excusing not taking responsibility for one's own actions.

414 yesandno  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:29:42pm

re: #31 gop_patriot

What? What?!?

Ignoring the rude insult from a German journalist for a minute, the only people injecting race into this election are the leftists and socialists who are pushing a Marxist, terrorist-befriending empty suit as their choice for President of the United States.

Because that is what they do....identity politics, class warfare politics, elitism politics, religious politics, black and white politics, legal and illegal politics, the haves and the have not politics.

Divide and conquer is what it all about.

415 Desert Dog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:30:47pm

re: #411 right_on_target

You did not fit into the story they had already written, so they moved on to find someone else that met their requirements.

416 arethusa  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:30:53pm

re: #408 WrathofG-d

Why are you getting mad at me? I never said I believed that McCain/Palin/anyone with the campaign was being racist. I am saying that the false charges of racism are believed by Obama's base, and it makes them all the more supportive. Big difference.

417 baxtrice  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:30:59pm

re: #412 DisturbedEma

Evil personified, right there in that paragraph. (Not you, what happened)

418 Spiny Norman  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:31:18pm

re: #383 Noah's Arrrgh

Someone remind me: Why do we still have troops in Germany? Isn't it high time we let them provide for their own security?

Since we DO need full-time military facilities in Europe, I say move them to Poland and the Czech Republic, where they would be more than welcome.

419 BBev  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:31:57pm

re: #245 Occasional Reader

They had that same bumper sticker for Jaguars back in the 1970s or early 80s.

I saw a car with a bumper sticker today it was a Toyota Prius the sticker said "Buy local" WTF

420 maddogg  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:32:27pm

re: #411 right_on_target

__________________________________
Right after Katrina I met some German reporters and cameramen outside New Orleans. I asked if they wanted some information or personal insight into the entire debacle concerning evacuations and flooding. I thought they might be interested since I'm a naturalized US citizen [from Germany] and could speak in German on their news show. I was wrong.
They had their minds made up or got their marching orders from der Chef [the boss] and that was to show the plight of the poor and the
"suppression" of the blacks.

I got into an argument with them so I didn't catch their association which later I regretted since I wanted to write a letter to their Volksaufklärung und Propaganda Minister.


They really wanted the lowdown on the Hero of the Hour Mayor Nagan, the savior of the "chocolate city". But nothing much there, he was in Dallas at a Mavericks game.

421 Spiny Norman  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:32:39pm

re: #360 ploome hineni

yes, Mandy

but what are his fruits?

everyone who has worked with Obama is MIA

where are they? and who are they? Ayers? Wright? who else?

Obama never left a paper trail

That's what Joe Biden meant by "he's clean".

422 DisturbedEma  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:32:43pm

re: #410 arethusa

And, of course, the McCains also adopted a daughter from Bangladesh. Something I wish more people knew about, because it really speaks to their character.

They would be accused of using it as a political ploy. . .

423 Pullus Iulius  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:32:54pm

Article after article today denouncing Sarah Palin and John McCain, but especially Sarah Palin, for “injecting race” into the campaign.
Yes indeed. A surprising lack of diversity among today's columnists. As if 500 monkeys at 500 keyboards had pecked out pieces with identical themes. No conspiracy here; it must be a miracle.

424 pat  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:33:10pm

Always refreshing to be lectured about race by a kraut.

425 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:33:17pm

re: #416 arethusa

Why are you getting mad at me? I never said I believed that McCain/Palin/anyone with the campaign was being racist. I am saying that the false charges of racism are believed by Obama's base, and it makes them all the more supportive. Big difference.

no, no, no.

I was actually wondering if there was any evidence. I was asking if you knew of any. I'm not accusing you, I'm asking you (or ANY OTHER Lizardoid with this actual information) for help finding it.

~Dang not being able to tell tone on the Computer harumph.

426 ModernDayPrayer  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:33:22pm

Irony: Germany commenting on racial politics in America.

427 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:33:34pm

re: #409 hermeneutics

I missed it ... and I'm glad. I'm utterly frustrated and infuriated at Mac's campaigning. Where the heck are the Republican 527s in dicey states? Anyone see any ads?

Dems want to revisit the New Deal -- New Deal 2.0. I can't imagine anything worse. Take a peek at this, if you can stomach it: [Link: www.politico.com...]

*seethes* I think it was the New Deal section in my 8th grade history class that really made me a conservative (I had an excellent teacher).

I'm gonna go do something else for a little bit to calm down. BBIAB

428 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:33:38pm

re: #400 nyc redneck

Yup. It ain't the color of skin it's the color of his politics - decidedly Red.

429 willowone  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:33:38pm

re: #388 WrathofG-d
correct an easy to read book on this consequence is Harvest of Sorrow"
by Conquest.

430 redc1c4  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:34:15pm

re: #396 arethusa

I know you were pointing out the hypocrisy - I totally agree. But *not* stopping this nonsense keeps Obama's supporters raring to go, because they really do believe their guy is being wronged.

read this post and get back to us....

431 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:34:59pm

re: #426 ModernDayPrayer

There are many very interesting articles/studies about Europe's treatment of Israel, as a way to "wash their hands" of their own guilt over the Holocaust (IE: in short, if they can show that the Jews are Nazis too, then what they did wasn't so bad).

All of this might fit into the same paradigm.

432 arethusa  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:35:57pm

re: #425 WrathofG-d

no, no, no.

I was actually wondering if there was any evidence. I was asking if you knew of any. I'm not accusing you, I'm asking you (or ANY OTHER Lizardoid with this actual information) for help finding it.

~Dang not being able to tell tone on the Computer harumph.

Oh, OK - was confused, sorry. No, there's no hard evidence that I know of. If the "Kill him" comment is real, it was probably directed at Ayers.

433 redc1c4  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:36:22pm

re: #428 Cap'n DOC

Yup. It ain't the color of skin it's the color of his politics - decidedly Red.

hey now! he's nothing like me....... %-)

434 PAgirlinNC  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:36:45pm

re: #409 hermeneutics

Funny you should ask - I got two pieces of mail today. One was from the NC Republican State Executive Committee. It was a vote by mail piece that said our second admendment rights are in danger and to vote Republican. The second was a piece from the RNC that said "It used to be easy to recognize patriotism" above a picture of the men raising the flag at Iwo Jima. Inside it goes on to say that Obama-Biden believe paying higher taxes is patriotic and gave some info on how their tax plan will raise taxes.

435 eon  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:36:55pm

re: #383 Noah's Arrrgh


Someone remind me: Why do we still have troops in Germany? Isn't it high time we let them provide for their own security?

The Bundeswehr doesn't need any help in that department. After the drawdown collapse of the Red Army following the Soviet collapse in 1991-2, the Federal German Army is the biggest single military force on the continent, with a total strength in armored and mech infantry divisions approximately equal to that of the Wehrmacht in 1941 (pre- Barbarossa).

As for their opposition to the Patriot Act, I find it interesting in that its provisions are significantly weaker than those under which the German Border Guards and Federal Police operate. Among other things, they can technically detain a foreign national indefinitely on grounds of suspected illegal activity of any kind, not just terrorism (a provision originally intended to stem the flood of illegal drugs into Germany in the 1960s, enacted under Konrad Adenauer).

That said, I think the Patriot Act has been less than useful. Plus, I'm concerned about how it might be used if The One wins the election. It has always seemed to me to violate the principle of never asking for a set of power you wouldn't be comfortable with your political opponents having. Think of the PA as it might have been used by Bill Clinton and Janet Reno.

cheers

eon

436 UFO TOFU  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:37:03pm

OT
And now for something really scary...

437 Desert Dog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:37:03pm

re: #418 Spiny Norman

Since we DO need full-time military facilities in Europe, I say move them to Poland and the Czech Republic, where they would be more than welcome.

That would be a great idea.....but Obama loves them Germans, so, they will give the One sufficient ass kissing to have them remain.

I was in Europe in the 1980's and got an ear full every time they found out I was an American. All about how evil Reagan was and how he was pushing the world towards nuclear war. The bases were a menace and bad...but, when the cold thawed and we started closing the bases, we heard a different tune.....from the English and the Germans......it would devastate entire areas if we took away the goose that lays the golden eggs. We have been THE stabilizing force in Europe since 1945. They might want to reconsider kicking us out and taking us for granted, but I doubt they will.

438 Cicero05  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:37:04pm

re: #412 DisturbedEma

Actually the disabled were used in trials to fine tune the mass murder machines of the future concentration campe.

Since we're on the subject of German virtue, its interesting that Hitler had to suspend his euthanasia plan in 1941 because of public protests, especially from the churches. But when Hitler started deporting German Jews to their deaths -- no public protests in Germany at all. Kind of puts the lie to the idea that average Germans had no influence on the path to the Holocaust. Germans could influence things when they wanted to...

439 ibmkeyboard  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:37:17pm

Obama goes up in the Polls,
stocks go down.

McCain goes up in the Polls,
stocks go up.

I could be a genius investor if this election could last another 8 months?

440 vagabond trader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:37:18pm

Hubby must have left the tv on CBS and what a vile cheerleading rally about the soon to be anointed one.Very few are bothered by his radical associations and they think he has what it takes to be POTUS. I almost wish it on them just to watch them suffer.

441 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:37:20pm
442 arethusa  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:37:25pm

re: #430 redc1c4

See #432. I never said that people were actually being racist, only that Obama wasn't saying "these attacks aren't racist" because he thinks it helps him keep his supporters fired up.

443 yesandno  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:37:30pm

re: #408 WrathofG-d

Do you have any actual EVIDENCE that there were people at McCain rallies screaming out "Lynch Him" (or something like that using the word "lynch") or "Kill him" (or something like that using the word "kill")?

I heard both these claims in an interview between Victor David Hanson (hello, if you are reading this), and a Air America Radio Host this morning at approximately 9:30-10:00 a.m. or so.

I heard the "scared" comment (a Conservative should be), and the "arab" comment (not Arab, but technically Muslim), but not the others above & I WANT PROOF!

You know...I kept hearing that tape played where McCain was speaking and someone yelled (or so they stated) KILL HIM. I heard it a number of times. I still think the person was yelling TELL 'EM...maybe my hearing isn't the best or the audio I listened to the best...but still hard pressed to find the words Kill Him being put forth....maybe it is just me.

444 Power Armored Lizardoid  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:37:32pm

Spiegel (Smeagol), bit my shiny metal ass!

/Bender

445 Tamron  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:38:12pm

(pertinent repost)

STANDARD LIBERAL POLICY: LIE TO THEM

Daily KOS
Let's Be Completely Honest ... Lie
by sn00t
Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 10:26:32 AM PDT

It occurs to me as I watch the nonstop cable coverage that as smart as we all are, we are still so dumb.
Why do we do this to ourselves, election after election? The tactics of Rove, as deplorable as they are, work because they have no morality to them.

How do you fight lies? We try with truth, but a lie accepted as truth cannot be battled with a "different" truth in the mind of many. This is especially true when you consider, alas, the mass public is not reading KOS, Politico, The Page, and Huff Po. What we are all missing is the truth about elections. The truth is that you lie. You lie and keep lying and when you get accused of lying you lie even more.

Look at McCain's campaign for evidence of this. In the same paragraph of a press release it will both question Obama's patriotism, and then deny questioning his patriotism. It will say how good the economy is and then how terrible it is. It will deny the truth of huge budget deficits and then go on to call for more tax cuts. You see, we progressives believe that information, and more accurately, factual evidence, will set you free. We are devotees of finding and consuming ideas, perspectives, and information in all formats. And in that, we sow our own fate.

The problem is that we believe that if we can only talk to someone, and present the "facts", or provide "evidence" to the contrary, we can sway people to our line of thinking. The problem is obvious: people who don't already think like you most likely don't consume and derive perspective in the manner you do, yielding all of our work, all of our effort, and all of our faith in the facts - worthless.

If you want to convert someone to your position, lie to them.

If you want to support Obama, lie about John McCain. Hell, tell the truth about John McCain - but add on any other thing you can think of that is outrageous. If you are talking about the election to an NRA member, tell them John McCain hates guns. If you are talking to a religious figure, tell them that John McCain is an atheist (this pains me to say as an atheist, as it infers something wrong with atheism, but we all must sacrifice here!). Lie. Lie with abandon. Lie without regret.

The republicans understand that facts are meaningless. Why do we fall prey to this year after year? How could we lose 2000, and 2004? The facts were on OUR SIDE, and yet, we lose. If you want to help Obama, stop spending all your time reading sites with your own point of view. Post in the comment sections at ABCNEWS, at CNN, at MSNBC, at Fox .... anywhere where there are people no of your own idealogical persuasion - FLOOD THEM WITH LIES.

I hate to say it, but like a TV commercial jingle, that gets caught in your head for a day, the republicans are landing their lies in the ears of the public every second. And you can't fight it with truth - you can only hope to beat them to the punch with a lie. A scandalous or hard hitting comment or statement that causes that person to say - "oh wow - really?"

This election is of paramount importance, with McCain trying to reignite the cold war, an Iranian War, and more love to corporations like Exxon ... morality is not a luxury we have available to us.

So let's be completely honest.... LIE.


.

446 doppelganglander  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:38:18pm

re: #408 WrathofG-d

To the best of my knowledge, the only person who claims to have heard "kill him" at a rally is Dana Milbank of the Washington Post. Other journalists in the vicinity say they didn't hear anything like that. Personally, I think he made the whole thing up and all the other journalists ran with it.

447 arethusa  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:38:33pm

re: #423 Pullus Iulius

Article after article today denouncing Sarah Palin and John McCain, but especially Sarah Palin, for “injecting race” into the campaign.
Yes indeed. A surprising lack of diversity among today's columnists. As if 500 monkeys at 500 keyboards had pecked out pieces with identical themes. No conspiracy here; it must be a miracle.

If 500 monkeys with 500 keyboards typed for 500 years, could they restore integrity to the NYT?

448 captainzot  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:38:37pm

Great piece. I guess Sgt. Schultz wasn't available so they had to find someone else who Knows nuhsing... nuhsing!

I had a bunch more to say but I had to delete it because it was too angry. I'm sure Mandy will tell him to do something appropriate.

449 Alberta Oil Peon  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:39:05pm

re: #7 Desert Dog

Küssen Sie meinen Esel, Scheisskopf!

"Esel" is "donkey". The word you want is "Arsch".

450 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:39:23pm

re: #447 arethusa

If 500 monkeys with 500 keyboards typed for 500 years, could they restore integrity to the NYT?

No

451 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:39:45pm

re: #433 redc1c4

LOL. Are you? I'm very dark skinned - I share the same lineage as Todd Palin. I had friends on the Blackfoot reservation who took me fishing because they thought I was Blackfoot! I meant no offense.

452 vagabond trader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:40:02pm

re: #435 eon

re: the Patriot Act, been thinking the same thing. Guarantee that it would not be revoked under an Obama dictatorship.

453 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:40:17pm

re: #402 Irene NYC

Well, David, I live in the Northeast, I'm a child of immigrants, and both my parents were from Eastern Europe. So, it's a trifecta of sorts going on here.

Just wanted to let you know that I see stupid every day of my life and I can't say that flustered describes my reaction to it.

I by no means meant all northeasterners or immigrants, it is just that the remarks most obviously meant to be demeaning of other ethnicities seem to originate among that group. I have also met some of the best Americans among that same group.

454 alexknyc  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:40:17pm

re: #356 MandyManners

I don't know what was said but I went on my first cruise this summer.

The amount of food wasted was criminal.

455 MJBrutus  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:40:22pm

re: #377 willowone

What's insane about all this is Why does anyone Have the expectation that Republicans would Vote for the most liberal senator anyway, aside from the lies, crooked deals, acquaintances, friends, and such.


Because McCain has done a horrendous job of communicating just what a leftist he is. The donks have been playing pin the Bush on the Elephant for a full year. McCain should have been hammering home that putting Hussein in office means that Reid's and Pelosi's politics will dominate this country.

Aside from being perfectly true, it has the additional advantage that as unpopular as Bush is, Congress under Reid/Pelosi is far worse!

456 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:40:23pm

re: #446 doppelganglander

To the best of my knowledge, the only person who claims to have heard "kill him" at a rally is Dana Milbank of the Washington Post. Other journalists in the vicinity say they didn't hear anything like that. Personally, I think he made the whole thing up and all the other journalists ran with it.

Say it ain't so, the MSM acting like lemmings! ;)

457 loflyer  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:40:28pm

Arrr, mates, I saw the PDS recruits this morning on the AJC as they offered their whacko, no reality or facts rants against Palin. What the media and pollsters are missing, is the fact that McCain/Palin ressonates with the average American whilst Obama and Biden reek of elite socialism. I predict a massive defeat for the socialists, Obama is the weakest candidate fielded by the socialists since McGovern.

458 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:40:48pm

There are few things in this world more obnoxious, stupid, and annoyingly ignorant than a German journalist with their dander up. Reading this kind of odious trash, you want to invade them all over again.

And I say that as a half-German.

459 rawmuse  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:40:54pm

I am so over the race scorn. It is being used as a bludgeon and a conversation stopper. So now, if a moonbat asks me who I am voting for I just say I am voting for McWhitey and be done with it.

460 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:41:36pm

re: #452 vagabond trader

re: the Patriot Act, been thinking the same thing. Guarantee that it would not be revoked under an Obama dictatorship.

Only partially revoked, those provisions dealing with foreign nationals. Those provisions dealing with U.S. citizens could very well be used to stifle any dissent.

461 alexknyc  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:41:50pm

re: #366 vagabond trader

It's not hysteria. I was on a cruise this summer and it really is that bad.

I was appalled.

462 baxtrice  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:42:36pm

re: #445 Tamron

How do we take these people seriously when they post *crap* like that? That's the best they can do, "Lie."? SRSLY. (I'm not even going to get into the fact that his/her/it's logic is so extremely missing in that piece..)

463 gmsc  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:43:13pm

The "racism" claim has not only been so overused that it's lost it's meaning, but it's also boring and unoriginal.

At least when Rosie O'Donnell decided to insult Sarah Palin she chose the rather original phrase of "Harriet Miers with a better ass".

It's still nasty, as is the thought of where Rosie is looking on Sarah's body, but at least it's original.

464 Cicero05  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:43:37pm

re: #461 alexknyc

It's not hysteria. I was on a cruise this summer and it really is that bad.

I was appalled.

This calls for emergency legislation.

465 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:44:12pm

re: #443 yesandno

I haven't heard the tape, but it is said on some other blogs that the reference to 'kill him' was to Bill Ayers.

466 vagabond trader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:44:33pm

re: #461 alexknyc

Oh for crying out loud, don't go on cruises then,they're floating pig fests!

467 redc1c4  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:44:57pm

re: #451 Cap'n DOC

LOL. Are you? I'm very dark skinned - I share the same lineage as Todd Palin. I had friends on the Blackfoot reservation who took me fishing because they thought I was Blackfoot! I meant no offense.

that was a play on my nick, and the differences between Obanal's politics and mine.... these days i'm just a middle aged Valley Dude.

468 mitthrawnurdo  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:44:59pm

re: #344 Kosh's Shadow

And who can forget this Oscar-worthy exchange during Episode 3: Revenge of the Sith:

"If you're not with me, you're my enemy". - Anakin/D.V.

"Only a Sith deals in absolutes". - Obi Wan.

Oh..I see, it's supposed to be an indictiment on the President's statement "You're either with us, or with the terrorists" and that the President was thinking more like a Sith than a Jedi. I actually confess to seeing that piece of crap in the theater and groaning out-loud when I heard that.

/Wait, you mean that Jedi were never supposed to go to the Dark Side? Could it be that Jedi weren't very..um...tolerant of the D.S and the Sith? Than how could only a "Sith deal in absolutes"? Illogical Lucas...

//And was I the only one annoyed that Samuel L (snakes on my motherf*$&ing plane!) Jackson played Mace Windu?

469 opnion  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:45:00pm

re: #401 vagabond trader

Fug em. What has Michelle Obama done for anyone but herself? Just look at the charitable work that Cindy McCain has sponsored in the worst places on the planet.Some racism.

Michelle is an insufferable beyoch. She wrote a poor SAT by her own admission and voila, she gets into the Ivy League.
She did not really appreciate it , but instead complained about being uncomfortable with the WHITE Liberals at Yale.
She & Barry seem to think that they deserve the White Houses as a minority set aside

470 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:45:14pm

re: #432 arethusa

Oh, OK - was confused, sorry. No, there's no hard evidence that I know of. If the "Kill him" comment is real, it was probably directed at Ayers.

Thank you. that isn't quite "proof" but it was helpful.

471 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:45:14pm
472 eon  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:45:46pm

re: #460 FurryOldGuyJeans

Only partially revoked, those provisions dealing with foreign nationals. Those provisions dealing with U.S. citizens could very well be used to stifle any dissent.

And of course the provisions of the Posse Comitatus Act would not apply to The One's Nationales Freiwilliges Korps.

/National Volunteer Corps in German, according to EDS translation

cheers

eon

473 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:46:05pm

re: #463 gmsc

I'd call the sexualizing of a politician for political gain to be SEXIST. (just as bad as Racism, if you asked me)

474 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:46:11pm

re: #461 alexknyc

It's not hysteria. I was on a cruise this summer and it really is that bad.

I was appalled.

Now that you know about it, you're free to make the choice to not go on one again.

475 vagabond trader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:46:19pm

re: #464 Cicero05

Not to worry, the Obama isn't going to allow us to be cynical and eat whatever we want to.

476 Archimedes  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:46:29pm

Postmodernism on display.... Twisting words to mean what they want them to mean is all part of it. Obama is the post modernist, most racial candidate.

This is a great, short essay on what postmodernism is.
[Link: www.naciente.com...]
Excerpt:

Postmodernism is the unifying philosophy of the academic left which has replaced discredited Marxism. It might also be claimed that Marxism has morphed into postmodernism. Like all academic foolishness, it has an argot of jargon, tropes and incoherent phraseology recapitulated continuously by the cognoscenti. It distills, ultimately, to mere posturing as a substitute for intellectual fervor. Although nothing, according to the postmodernist, can be determined to be "true", postmodernism itself is, of course, True.

Paying homage at the postmodernist altar are all sorts of new academic disciplines, chief of which are "women's studies", "black studies", and "interdisciplinary studies", and an assortment of nutty crusades such as campus Political Correctness and even environmental wackiness: look at "global warming" for example - the greatest Hoax in human history.

It's sad that this brain dead "philosophy" is what has risen to ascendancy in the modern world, but this is clearly the case.

Look at the facts, we have a candidate who has not so subtly brought up race, and was a member of a racist church for some twenty years. Yet, Palin, who said nothing remotely racist, is the one accused of being the racist. The facts don't matter to them. Postmodernists are very, very unjust. I mean, we're seeing before our eyes what they will do and how they turn reality on end. Imagine if people like this were running the country. I submit, this has to be stopped.

477 Desert Dog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:46:29pm

re: #445 Tamron

If you cannot amaze them with your brilliance, baffle them with your bullsh*t. If your own beliefs and political ideology cannot stand on it's own, what is left but to lie out your ass? That is what the left has done for years. When they run on what they actually believe, you get McGovern and the worst defeat in history. Clinton won because he projected himself as something he was not. Obama is the worst case. He is the most liberal Presidential candidate we have ever had, but you would not know it by the way he projects himself. You would think he is Ronald Reagen Jr by the way he Teleprompterates. We see glimpses of what he really stands for, just ask the plumber guy who is going to give up some of his hard earned pay for someone else. Why can't they run as what they really are?

478 rightside  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:46:35pm

re: #447 arethusa

If 500 monkeys with 500 keyboards typed for 500 years, could they restore integrity to the NYT?

NO! NEVER!

479 Soona'  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:46:51pm

re: #427 Fat Jolly Penguin

*seethes* I think it was the New Deal section in my 8th grade history class that really made me a conservative (I had an excellent teacher).

I'm gonna go do something else for a little bit to calm down. BBIAB

That's my main beef right now. Where are the 527's? There's enough material in this campaign to make a 2-hour movie.

480 J.S.  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:47:11pm

re: #425 WrathofG-d

Dana Bash of CNN has made claims (no video or taped evidence) that at certain events people in the crowd have yelled out "off with his head", "terrorist", etc. Then this is followed by the video of the woman who says she's scared of obama 'cause he's "Arab"...(as I laugh)...You know, I mean really, everywhere you go (and at anytime) there are going to be people who are in the category of the misinformed, or the mischievous ones (either deliberate or accidental) who'll say/do nutty things...it's just a part of life...and as someone else has pointed out, the vast majority of what's said is "protected speech" in the United States...Yes, some of it is real ugly, or nasty, but, hey, that's what it means to have this freedom...(and I believe I've read/heard/seen far, far more nasty stuff about George Bush and now S. Palin than any other candidate, by far... AND, much of this comes from what's called the MSM -- that would include cartoons of Bush drawn as a Chimp, etc. -- and who hasn't seen this junk in the MSM? It's gone way beyond disgusting...)

481 JacksonTn  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:47:16pm

I want to see the Wright tapes played again ....... I know the campaign will not do it but somebody needs to put them on tv again ........

482 Infernodogget  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:47:22pm

re: #3 WrathofG-d

Funny how someone will so quickly throw their values to the wind under pressure. They were all whistling different tunes a few months ago.

Biden:


Clinton:

483 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:48:05pm

re: #404 FrogMarch

And the next year, as the grasshopper lay idle in the sun, he noticed that the ants were doing their work in a lazy, sloppy, inefficient manner. Some of the ants weren't even pretending to work. The grasshopper grew concerned, but the ants no longer cared...

The Trees (by Rush)

There is unrest in the forest,
There is trouble with the trees,
For the maples want more sunlight
And the oaks ignore their pleas.

The trouble with the maples,
(And they're quite convinced they're right)
They say the oaks are just too lofty
And they grab up all the light.
But the oaks can't help their feelings
If they like the way they're made.
And they wonder why the maples
Can't be happy in their shade.

There is trouble in the forest,
And the creatures all have fled,
As the maples scream "Oppression!"
And the oaks just shake their heads

So the maples formed a union
And demanded equal rights.
"The oaks are just too greedy;
We will make them give us light."
Now there's no more oak oppression,
For they passed a noble law,
And the trees are all kept equal
By hatchet, axe, and saw.

484 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:48:05pm

Everyone should keep the last 8 years of this in mind when worrying about the "lynch him" or "kill him" comments about Obama/Ayers.

485 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:48:19pm

re: #475 vagabond trader

Well... At least we won't eat our young.

/obscure N Korean reference.

486 vagabond trader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:48:33pm

re: #481 JacksonTn

Sean Hannity is the one to speak to on that. He played them for days, lol.

487 arethusa  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:48:48pm

The panel just covered the George Wallace comment - Krauthammer observed, "Playing the race card is the last refuge of the liberal scoundrel."

Is that racist?/

488 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:49:24pm

re: #480 J.S.

Just an FYI: The "scared" and "arab" comments were separate and by two different people.

489 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:49:35pm

re: #469 opnion

Michelle is an insufferable beyoch. She wrote a poor SAT by her own admission and voila, she gets into the Ivy League.
She did not really appreciate it , but instead complained about being uncomfortable with the WHITE Liberals at Yale.
She & Barry seem to think that they deserve the White Houses as a minority set aside

To be fair, in high school WAB was on the honor roll four years, took advanced placement classes, was a member of the National Honor Society and was graduated from Princeton cum laude.

490 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:50:12pm

re: #472 eon

And of course the provisions of the Posse Comitatus Act would not apply to The One's Nationales Freiwilliges Korps.

/National Volunteer Corps in German, according to EDS translation

cheers

eon

But they would not be a military entity, only a law-enforcement one like the geheime Staatspolizei or the Komityet Gosudarstvennoy Bezopasnosty.

491 erisldysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:50:19pm

re: #11 MrSnuggles

The attacks must be working if their only response is to cry racism.

The last refuge of the leftist is the Ad Hominem attack.

However, they are now using it at the beginning of the debate as well. Keep this in mind, and don't waste time trying to defend the "charge."

Ignore it or ridicule it as the leftist political warfare it is, but don't engage in debate on whether the attacked party is or is not what the ad hominem states.

492 JacksonTn  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:50:21pm

re: #486 vagabond trader

Sean Hannity is the one to speak to on that. He played them for days, lol.

Yeah, and that was about 100 days short ........

493 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:50:27pm
494 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:50:34pm

Gotta' sling some hash. bbl

495 fatebringer  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:50:39pm

sigh..apparently I've made the "to be surveyed on conspiracy theories" list

registered voter for almost 20 years, Never been surveyed on politics before, Sunday I got one of the "normal" ones (who are you voting for president/congress/govenor/tax collector..computer generated no company name given)

Today I got a second one from the same autodialer (same voice at least )

"do you believe 9/11 was an inside job"
"do you believe it was controlled explosions"
"do you believe there should be a new study?"
"how many towers fell"
"how many days passed before the commision was formed"
"who was the chairman of the commmision"
"is the so called war on drugs harming civil liberties"
"is the so called war on terrorism..."
"should medical weed be legal?"

"for president, who are you voting for (list of independent candidates, no Obama, no Mcain)
"do you believe independent candidates should be invited to the debates"
"do you believe independent candidates should be given easier access to ballots"


..sigh let that be the last one.

496 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:51:00pm

re: #493 ploome hineni

who is WAB?

WhineyAssBitch, a/k/a Michelle Obama.

497 jorline  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:51:02pm

'Great Schlep' pitches Obama to Florida Jews

A Yiddish word meaning to pull, yank or tug, schlep is a good way of describing what it took for Mike Bender to persuade his grandparents to vote for Sen. Barack Obama for president.
Obama's campaign but supports him -- brought up the idea of voting for Obama over Thanksgiving dinner last year, he was met with an uncharacteristic silence.

"Their reaction was, as they said, 'I'm a little meschugah,' " Bender said, adding that the expression meant "crazy."

For Selma Furst, voting for an African-American for president seemed unthinkable.

498 vagabond trader  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:51:18pm

re: #493 ploome hineni

Michelle Obama, whiny assed bitch.

499 Voton  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:51:45pm

Küssen Sie meinen Esel, Scheisskopf!
Actually, that's "Kiss my donkey, shithead!"...I think what you want is "Arsch." Either way, though, I sympathize with the sentiment.

500 willowone  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:51:46pm

re: #455 MJBrutus
Aside from being perfectly true, it has the additional advantage that as unpopular as Bush is, Congress under Reid/Pelosi is far worse

true.

501 erisldysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:51:47pm

re: #482 Infernodogget

Funny how someone will so quickly throw their values to the wind under pressure. They were all whistling different tunes a few months ago.

Biden:
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
Clinton:
[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Some one should investigate why Biden's long term senior counsel, Claire DeMattis (sp?) left him.

502 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:52:22pm
503 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:52:23pm

re: #490 FurryOldGuyJeans

But they would not be a military entity, only a law-enforcement one like the geheime Staatspolizei or the Komityet Gosudarstvennoy Bezopasnosty.

PIMF: Komityet Gosudarstvennoy Bezopasnosty

504 GeeWiz  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:54:11pm

re: #397 GeeWiz

Me @ 397

It all comes down to "which hill do you want to die on?" I feel the emotional roller coaster ride that others here do, but I carefully choose which battles I wish to engage in. Some battles here produce results and others are nothing more than an exercise in futility. My advice, choose wisely grasshopper.

505 eon  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:54:34pm

re: #468 mitthrawnurdo

And who can forget this Oscar-worthy exchange during Episode 3: Revenge of the Sith:

"If you're not with me, you're my enemy". - Anakin/D.V.

"Only a Sith deals in absolutes". - Obi Wan.

Oh..I see, it's supposed to be an indictiment on the President's statement "You're either with us, or with the terrorists" and that the President was thinking more like a Sith than a Jedi. I actually confess to seeing that piece of crap in the theater and groaning out-loud when I heard that.

/Wait, you mean that Jedi were never supposed to go to the Dark Side? Could it be that Jedi weren't very..um...tolerant of the D.S and the Sith? Than how could only a "Sith deal in absolutes"? Illogical Lucas...

//And was I the only one annoyed that Samuel L (snakes on my motherf*$&ing plane!) Jackson played Mace Windu?

Qui-Gonn Jinn thought that Skywalker would "bring balance to the Force". Shorn of its pseudo-mystical claptrap (which most of SW is, to be honest), it obviously never occured to him that to bring "balance" would require the "Dark Side" to be at least as strong as the side he was on.

My guess is, the Jedi Academy did not include Logic, Semantics, or even Practical Problem-Solving in its curriculum, at any level.

Any Lensman fresh out of the Patrol Academy- or any Mid in his senior year at Annapolis, or any Cadet at the Point- could have set "Master Qui-Gonn" straight in about thirty seconds flat using only dictionary language, I'm sure.

/I'm not so sure about the Starfleet Academy lot

cheers

eon

506 Cicero05  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:54:46pm

re: #499 Voton

Küssen Sie meinen Esel, Scheisskopf!
Actually, that's "Kiss my donkey, shithead!"

Where can I get the bumper sticker?

507 rightymouse  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:55:34pm
"Some commentators think “brownness” (immigrants) has replaced blackness as the new racial scarecrow in American politics. I think it is also true that as people have gotten used to Obama, they increasingly see not a black man, but a post-racial person (white and black, by birth) who calmly and coolly embodies the swirling ethnic mix that is modern America."

The only ones who seem to constantly bring up skin color are liberals. Ever notice that?

Cluebat for Mr. Range - NOBODY CARES THAT OBAMA IS BLACK! HIS SKIN PIGMENTATION IS MEANINGLESS! IT'S HIS IDEOLOGY THAT SUCKS! WE THINK THAT BIDEN SUCKS TOO!

508 alexknyc  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:56:10pm

re: #464 Cicero05

This calls for emergency legislation.

I'm sure Obama will get the UN to act immediately.

509 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:56:48pm

re: #505 eon

Qui-Gonn Jinn thought that Skywalker would "bring balance to the Force". Shorn of its pseudo-mystical claptrap (which most of SW is, to be honest), it obviously never occured to him that to bring "balance" would require the "Dark Side" to be at least as strong as the side he was on.

My guess is, the Jedi Academy did not include Logic, Semantics, or even Practical Problem-Solving in its curriculum, at any level.

Any Lensman fresh out of the Patrol Academy- or any Mid in his senior year at Annapolis, or any Cadet at the Point- could have set "Master Qui-Gonn" straight in about thirty seconds flat using only dictionary language, I'm sure.

/I'm not so sure about the Starfleet Academy lot

cheers

eon

Kirk, definitely could, Sisko most likely. Picard, Janeway or Archer would be lost without a clue. ;)

510 opnion  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:57:00pm

re: #507 rightymouse

The only ones who seem to constantly bring up skin color are liberals. Ever notice that?

Cluebat for Mr. Range - NOBODY CARES THAT OBAMA IS BLACK! HIS SKIN PIGMENTATION IS MEANINGLESS! IT'S HIS IDEOLOGY THAT SUCKS! WE THINK THAT BIDEN SUCKS TOO!

Obama & his supporters keep interjecting race & then scream racism.
Sophists!

511 alexknyc  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:57:18pm

re: #466 vagabond trader

Oh for crying out loud, don't go on cruises then,they're floating pig fests!

As I found out.

Won't catch me on another one, no matter what the GF wants.

512 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:57:22pm

re: #508 alexknyc

I'm sure Obama will get the UN to act immediately.

"The U.S. is at fault!"

513 Eowyn2  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:57:51pm

re: #425 WrathofG-d

no, no, no.

I was actually wondering if there was any evidence. I was asking if you knew of any. I'm not accusing you, I'm asking you (or ANY OTHER Lizardoid with this actual information) for help finding it.

~Dang not being able to tell tone on the Computer harumph.

The press never lies.

514 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:57:53pm

re: #510 opnion

Obama & his supporters keep interjecting race & then scream racism.
Sophists!

SOPHISTS, you racist!
/

515 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:58:18pm

re: #507 rightymouse

The only ones who seem to constantly bring up skin color are liberals.


....and Europeans. Could you imagine a black or asian Prime minister in Germany, France or England? That would be unthinkable. I don't think an ethnic minority has ever even come close or was seriously considered for the position.

516 right_on_target  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:58:23pm

The author of the SPIEGEL article is Peter Ross Range who is the editor of BLUEPRINT, which is the magazine for the Democratic Leadership Council,
a "progressive" organization.

517 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:58:25pm

re: #447 arethusa

If 500 monkeys with 500 keyboards typed for 500 years, could they restore integrity to the NYT?


We mean to tell me that the times doesn't use 500 monkeys writting that rag?
color me shocked...Are you sure?

518 baxtrice  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:58:42pm

re: #509 FurryOldGuyJeans

Kirk, now there was a captain we could count on. Before Star Trek went all wacky on us.

519 rightymouse  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:58:57pm

re: #510 opnion

Obama & his supporters keep interjecting race & then scream racism.
Sophists!

Drives me around the bend. Gahhhh...they can't compete on ideas so they hide behind tiresome, worn-out, meaningless epithets.

520 opnion  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:58:58pm

re: #512 FurryOldGuyJeans

"The U.S. is at fault!"

To Barry Obomber, the answer is it is the fault of the US. Now what is the question?

521 willowone  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:59:00pm

The Left are acting like spoiled Brats, "we want what we want, we want it now , and if we don't get it, we are going to contine to rage,threaten, shriek, act like total rear-ends for next 8 years!

522 opnion  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:59:43pm

re: #514 Walter L. Newton

SOPHISTS, you racist!
/

Damkn, ya got me!

523 wltzacrsstxs  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:59:46pm

#40 Charles

Back in my day, "ethicity" didn't "swirl."

America was a melting pot.

You came here as a Swede, a Bohunk, an Italian... and you became an American.

And you learned to speak English.

My father-in-law's father came here from Norway in 1912 as a young man in his 20's. Didn't speak a word of English. He married a Norwegian immigrant who didn't speak English well. While neither one was a rocket scientist, they managed to learn English and spoke it exclusively (except when they didn't want the kids to know what they were talking about). Their 7 kids learned a smattering of Norwegian, they can count and speak a little conversational Norwegian, but as time has passed, they have forgotten most of it. Why? Because they are Americans, and Americans speak English. Husband can count to 20 and say this random phrase along the lines of "Shall we go down the road to the river now?" And that's it.

That's what's wrong with this danged country today. Eat all the strudel and baklava you want, but speak English and be an American. Or don't bother coming here.

524 baxtrice  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:59:46pm

re: #521 willowone

The Left are acting like spoiled Brats, "we want what we want, we want it now , and if we don't get it, we are going to contine to rage,threaten, shriek, act like total rear-ends for next 8 years!

Perfect metaphor. +1

525 HDrepub  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:59:50pm

re: #507 rightymouse

The only ones who seem to constantly bring up skin color are liberals. Ever notice that?

Cluebat for Mr. Range - NOBODY CARES THAT OBAMA IS BLACK! HIS SKIN PIGMENTATION IS MEANINGLESS! IT'S HIS IDEOLOGY THAT SUCKS! WE THINK THAT BIDEN SUCKS TOO!

Obama is a Marxist and Biden is his Gramscian whore.

526 Totally Berserk  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:00:05pm

"... Palin has re-injected race into the presidential campaign at just the time when it seemed to be sliding into insignificance. ..."

Um yeah. And this election is 'historic,' because... ?

Of all the blatant, hypocritical double standards the Left employs, I'd have to say this is about sixth worst.

527 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:00:11pm

re: #515 Killgore Trout

....and Europeans. Could you imagine a black or asian Prime minister in Germany, France or England? That would be unthinkable. I don't think an ethnic minority has ever even come close or was seriously considered for the position.

But did anyone stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night? Now THAT is a qualification! ;)

528 nyc redneck  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:00:13pm

i refuse to let that ugly allegation stop me.
i know i;m not a racist.
they are using the race card the way the hrc uses the concept of "hate speech." this is how they seek to shut us down.
remember how ezra levant just came out swinging and changed the focus of the conversation w/ that horrid little investigator who tried to back him down.
he didn't take the bait. he crushed her and her oppressive stupid bureaucratic p.c.rules and regulations that violated his free speech.
these slurs are so emotionally charged. they are designed to cripple free speech.
ignore the allegations of racism. it has nothing to do w/ anything.
keep the focus on what this radical commie candidate has said and done.
keep the focus on how he will harm our country.

529 willowone  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:01:01pm

re: #524 baxtrice

haha, i should have added, like we have the Last 8 Years.

530 alexknyc  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:01:09pm

re: #474 MandyManners

Now that you know about it, you're free to make the choice to not go on one again.

That's exactly right.

And I won't be.

531 Adrenalyn  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:01:10pm

re: #5 bosforus

Did it ever occur to any of these people that Bill Ayers is white?

actually, he is "caucasian"

"white" is such a racist term, like "black"

we used to use "negro"
then "colored"
then "black"
now it's "African American"

what's next, under Obama
"Islamerican" ?

532 JacksonTn  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:01:37pm

re: #515 Killgore Trout

....and Europeans. Could you imagine a black or asian Prime minister in Germany, France or England? That would be unthinkable. I don't think an ethnic minority has ever even come close or was seriously considered for the position.

Yeah, well, maybe ........ German woman really like black men ....... don't friggin slam me for saying it either ........

533 Adrenalyn  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:02:17pm

re: #531 Adrenalyn

how about "Islafrican American"

534 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:02:33pm

re: #531 Adrenalyn

actually, he is "caucasian"

"white" is such a racist term, like "black"

we used to use "negro"
then "colored"
then "black"
now it's "African American"

what's next, under Obama
"Islamerican" ?

King, Dictator, President for Life, Dear Leader....need I go on?

535 rightymouse  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:02:38pm

re: #515 Killgore Trout

....and Europeans. Could you imagine a black or asian Prime minister in Germany, France or England? That would be unthinkable. I don't think an ethnic minority has ever even come close or was seriously considered for the position.

Probably because they've never shed their colonialist elitist mentality. Geebus...what the heck are these people going to do if Jindal makes it eventually as a Presidential or VP candidate?

536 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:02:51pm
537 Eowyn2  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:02:59pm

re: #445 Tamron


"We are devotees of finding and consuming ideas, perspectives, and information in all formats. And in that, we sow our own fate.

The problem is that we believe that if we can only talk to someone, and present the "facts", or provide "evidence" to the contrary, we can sway people to our line of thinking."

why are "facts" and "evidence" in quotes? Perhaps because their 'facts' aren't factual and their 'evidence' is manufactured?

538 eon  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:03:06pm

re: #518 baxtrice

Kirk, now there was a captain we could count on. Before Star Trek went all wacky on us.

Did you ever notice that while Kirk's Enterprise was the weakest other than Archer's, in terms of firepower and defenses, he still tended to win more battles with less casualties?

/Maybe because he wasn't perennially in Condition White

cheers

eon

539 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:03:08pm

re: #524 baxtrice

Yea Brats or Islamists.

540 baxtrice  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:03:19pm

re: #533 Adrenalyn

American is such an ugly word, it will be Obamican. /sarc

541 rightside  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:03:43pm

Michael Steele in '12! We'll show them about race!

542 JacksonTn  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:03:55pm

Don't worry all this racists stuff will be taken care of when Billy and Bernadines's new book comes out ...........no joke

Race Course Against White Supremacy (Paperback)
by William C. Ayers (Author), Bernardine Dohrn (Author)

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

543 HDrepub  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:03:59pm

re: #531 Adrenalyn

actually, he is "caucasian"

"white" is such a racist term, like "black"

we used to use "negro"
then "colored"
then "black"
now it's "African American"

what's next, under Obama
"Islamerican" ?

For me it's official, I am now an Appalachian-American. My birthplace and hometown's county has been included in the Appalachian Regional Council.

544 solomonpanting  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:04:10pm

I'm sure you've heard this clip by now.
I believe all-in-all Howard Stern is a sleazeball, but this shows one aspect of voting for the person for whom you have no idea what that person represents.

545 jorline  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:04:13pm

Secret Service visits Lufkin woman after 'death threat' allegation from an Obama campaign volunteer

Lufkin woman received a surprise visit from the Secret Service last week because of a "death threat" comment she reportedly made about Sen. Barack Obama to a campaign volunteer asking for her support of the presidential candidate.

"She asked if I was an Obama supporter, to which I replied, 'No, I don't support him. Your guy is a socialist who voted four times in the state Senate to let little babies die in hospital closets; I think you should find something better to do with your time.' (And then) I hung up."

/Watch what you say to Obama supporters.

546 hrhamilton  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:04:19pm

Projection. The Democrats have been all about race since this began. This has been the most racist campaign I have ever seen, and it is all on the Democrat side.

547 Eowyn2  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:04:32pm

re: #534 FurryOldGuyJeans

King, Dictator, President for Life, Dear Leader....need I go on?


loving father

548 Adrenalyn  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:04:40pm

re: #540 baxtrice

American is such an ugly word, it will be Obamican. /sarc

actually, I dinged you up on this
I think you have something

549 baxtrice  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:05:00pm

re: #538 eon

Have you ever played the Star Trek CCG (collectible card game)? Kirk's enterprise was terribly underpowered and weak compared to everything else. it was pathetic.

550 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:05:06pm

re: #515 Killgore Trout

....and Europeans. Could you imagine a black or asian Prime minister in Germany, France or England? That would be unthinkable. I don't think an ethnic minority has ever even come close or was seriously considered for the position.

I could see it happening in France sooner than Germany or England. That's just my opinion. It has a lot to do with the time I have spent there and the people I know there. But, I will qualify that with this. It would not be a black Muslim, but a non-Muslim black, I think you may see it someday.

551 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:05:26pm

re: #541 rightside

Michael Steele in '12! We'll show them about race!

Not that I really consider it a viable pick, but why not go whole hog and tweak them all with Condi Rice: Black, Woman, and Single.

552 Adrenalyn  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:05:47pm

Obamica, Obamica, Mo shed his grace on thee
and crown thy hood, with nothing good
from sea to grimy sea

553 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:06:00pm

re: #545 jorline

Secret Service visits Lufkin woman after 'death threat' allegation from an Obama campaign volunteer

/Watch what you say to Obama supporters.

The disgusting subtext tagline of your comment is "....EVEN if it is TRUE"

554 Archimedes  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:06:07pm

re: #483 David IV of Georgia

And the next year, as the grasshopper lay idle in the sun, he noticed that the ants were doing their work in a lazy, sloppy, inefficient manner. Some of the ants weren't even pretending to work. The grasshopper grew concerned, but the ants no longer cared...

Love those lyrics. Rush is a great group in many ways. Great lyrics, great music, if only I could handle the lead singer.

555 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:06:19pm

re: #531 Adrenalyn

actually, he is "caucasian"

"white" is such a racist term, like "black"

we used to use "negro"
then "colored"
then "black"
now it's "African American"

what's next, under Obama
"Islamerican" ?

First it's the Presidential seal
Second,the FLAG
Third the NORTH AMERICAN UNION
If ..islam is anywhere in it I'm moving to Alaska!
No! Really ,I am!

556 baxtrice  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:06:26pm

re: #552 Adrenalyn

LMAO, that is too funny.

557 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:06:30pm

re: #523 wltzacrsstxs

I grew up in a bilingual family. My Grandparents spoke French, as did my mother and father. We learned to speak French first, but by the time I was ready to start school, I spoke English, and my parents and grandparents were bilingual to begin with. My ancestors arrived on this continent in 1652 and were Acadian. Displaced is what they were. But I've never thought of myself as anything but an English speaking American! I've never thought of myself as French or even French Canadian, however... that's where my familial roots were planted.

558 Eowyn2  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:06:36pm

re: #545 jorline

Secret Service visits Lufkin woman after 'death threat' allegation from an Obama campaign volunteer


/Watch what you say to Obama supporters.

its the code words

559 right_on_target  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:06:44pm

re: #535 rightymouse

Probably because they've never shed their colonialist elitist mentality. Geebus...what the heck are these people going to do if Jindal makes it eventually as a Presidential or VP candidate?


_____________________
You're right.
I sure wish McCain had Jindal's speaking abilities. Jindal could
elaborate on five different subjects in the time that Obama could uh, oh, mmmmm on one.

560 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:07:13pm

re: #549 baxtrice

Have you ever played the Star Trek CCG (collectible card game)? Kirk's enterprise was terribly underpowered and weak compared to everything else. it was pathetic.

Yet Kirk usually got the better in nearly every encounter when he didn't fall for the PC crap trap (STII).

561 Solly  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:07:15pm

Wow...you could really pull a hammie with a stretch like that!

562 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:07:21pm

I'm glad we have meddling foreigners to keep us honest.

Check out BBC's Greg Palast, who just wrote a book scribbled a comic book called Steal Back Your Vote.

Here's an interview where he assures the faithful that Voting Fraud is a Fraud.

563 FrogMarch  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:07:21pm

The Der Holocaust peeps need to read this book -

The Case Against Barack Obama.

564 GeeWiz  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:07:24pm

re: #531 Adrenalyn

Now you've raised the ante to "religious/racist" rhetoric. Shame on you for crossing the streams. LOL!

565 Adrenalyn  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:07:56pm

re: #556 baxtrice

LMAO, that is too funny.

oh, someone will top this, trust me
I have only speckles of intelligence wit and humor
overrun occasionally by hostility and fury

others here are way smarter, funnier, wiser, calmer

566 loflyer  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:08:07pm

re: #541 rightside

Michael Steele in '12! We'll show them about race!

Arrr, mate I favor Gingrich in 2012, you have to keep a close eye on him though, lots of ideas, not all are great. Compared to the current administration or the alternatives he is a five hundred percent improvement. Gingrich/Steele sounds like a good ticket!

567 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:08:12pm

re: #536 ploome hineni

bravo

my parents also....same thing

they spoke of the "old country", and thanked G-d they survived long enough to make it to the New

for us it was Canada...but same thing

Gosh ploome.. I love Canada...If I would have visited Montreal after college I would have moved there...
And windsor? A wonderful place to visit once a year and sneak cuban cigars home..Not that I've ever done that...

568 jorline  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:08:13pm

This is an total moonbat comment on the article I just posted.


By Steven

Oct 14, 2008 5:55 PM | Link to this

It is not surprising to read some of these hateful rage-filled comments. These people realize that their candidates are going to lose by a landslide. You people are religious fanatics and uneducated ignorant yokels, and you represent a very vocal MINORITY in this country, as proven by the polls. Palin's hateful rhetoric speaks to you, but polls prove that the majority of the country doesn't care about this irrelevant Bill Ayers nonsense.

You are not "normal" Americans, you are a lunatic fringe, but the Republicans cater to you because sometimes your numbers are just enough to let them squeak by over the edge and win an election by a few thousand votes. John McCain sold out to your crowd by selecting one of you as his Vice President instead of making the intelligent choice of Joe Lieberman. I think he will regret this mistake for the rest of his life. Lieberman would have proved his talk of bipartisanship was more than just rhetoric, and he would have won over large numbers of moderates, independents, and even some Democrats. Instead, he wanted to get his fringe base into a frenzy, so he selected an absurdly unqualified lunatic ignorant hick from Alaska that is the laughingstock of most of the country.

Obama is going to be President. :) Deal with it. The history of America is always towards progression. Liberals always win, conservatives do nothing more than delay. Womens suffrage, civil rights, abolishment of jim crow laws, end of slavery, voting rights act, hate crime legislation...all liberal goals that conservatives tried to stop and failed. Your side always fails in the end. Always. Thank god for that.

You mean we have to live with these people? Holly crap!

569 baxtrice  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:08:14pm

re: #560 FurryOldGuyJeans

Yet Kirk usually got the better in nearly every encounter when he didn't fall for the PC crap trap (STII).

Tell me about it!

570 eon  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:08:15pm

re: #542 JacksonTn

Don't worry all this racists stuff will be taken care of when Billy and Bernadines's new book comes out ...........no joke

Race Course Against White Supremacy (Paperback)
by William C. Ayers (Author), Bernardine Dohrn (Author)

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

"veteran political activists"?

By Amazon's standards, Andreas Baader and Ulrike Meinhof were apparently just a pair of crazy kids who decided to "rock the vote".

/I mean, who cares if they robbed banks, blew up airbases, and machine-gunned peoples' cars? They were just idealistic reformers!

/sarc, of course

cheers

eon

571 guzziguy  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:08:44pm

re: #179 alexknyc

I think there are better reasons to vote against the one , but whatever reason you find adequate is fine with me.

572 Adrenalyn  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:09:07pm

re: #564 GeeWiz

Now you've raised the ante to "religious/racist" rhetoric. Shame on you for crossing the streams. LOL!

actually, I crossed streams yesterday while fishing
saw some nice brown trout too

573 bosforus  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:09:13pm

Obama gets bumped as messiah
Scientists confirm shark's ‘virgin birth’
[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

Scientists have confirmed the second case of a "virgin birth" in a shark. In a report in The Journal of Fish Biology, scientists said DNA testing proved that a pup carried by a female Atlantic blacktip shark in the Virginia Aquarium & Marine Science Center contained no genetic material from a male.
574 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:09:26pm

re: #559 right_on_target

_____________________
You're right.
I sure wish McCain had Jindal's speaking abilities. Jindal could
elaborate on five different subjects in the time that Obama could uh, oh, mmmmm on one.

While Obama, without a teleprompter, would only be halfway through clearing his throat to begin his ummm, ahhh, errrrr, avalanche.

575 FrogMarch  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:09:26pm
576 bosforus  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:09:48pm

re: #306 fpxr

thank you...

I'd hate to see a head roll needlessly. :)

577 Desert Dog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:10:09pm

re: #499 Voton

Küssen Sie meinen Esel, Scheisskopf!
Actually, that's "Kiss my donkey, shithead!"...I think what you want is "Arsch." Either way, though, I sympathize with the sentiment.

Too funny, well, don't blame the messenger, I got it from this lovely site: Kiss My Ass in Different Languages

578 rightymouse  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:10:36pm

re: #525 HDrepub

Obama is a Marxist and Biden is his Gramscian whore.

It sickens me that too many Americans wouldn't know a Marxist from a fence post and worst of all, they don't care.

579 Adrenalyn  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:10:45pm

re: #568 jorline

You mean we have to live with these people? Holly crap!


I would respond to this but am afraid I'd get deleted
maybe even banned....
(ahem)

580 abolitionist  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:11:00pm

International and domestic socialists and their multitude of useful idiots are trying to convince everyone this election is about finally *finally* defeating racism in America. No. That's pretty much a dead issue in America. Has been for decades.

It's very much about a cold war not yet quite won/lost. It's about whether a nation so conceived and so dedicated (to freedom) can long endure. It's about how national sovereignty is to be reconciled with our increasingly interconnected and interdependent economies and security/health/safety issues.

It's also about how to deal effectively with an ancient supremacist death cult that refuses to abandon slavery, and which as an article of faith, insists that all man-made laws are evil, and are not to be respected --including treaties.

581 eon  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:11:06pm

re: #549 baxtrice

Have you ever played the Star Trek CCG (collectible card game)? Kirk's enterprise was terribly underpowered and weak compared to everything else. it was pathetic.

No, but I used to play the FASA RPG. Everything in Starfleet is undergunned compared to the neighbors in that one.

/Star Fleet Battles is the only game which portrays the various ships even halfway like they would really have to be to actually work.

cheers

eon

582 mensamann  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:11:38pm

That idiot doesn't know what racist is. I lived in south Florida in the late sixties into the mid seventies.

583 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:11:38pm

re: #578 rightymouse

It sickens me that too many Americans wouldn't know a Marxist from a fence post and worst of all, they don't care.

Or even think such a thing (Marxist) would be good.

584 Desert Dog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:12:01pm

re: #549 baxtrice

Have you ever played the Star Trek CCG (collectible card game)? Kirk's enterprise was terribly underpowered and weak compared to everything else. it was pathetic.

But, what really matters....does Kirk get the green babe at the end?

585 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:12:18pm

Video: Christopher Buckley on quitting National Review and voting for Obama

After thinking about this for a while I think it was a bad move for National review to let him go. The demands of ideological purity and homogeny have been hallmarks of the left for quite a while. It's a sign of fear, insecurity and weakness.

586 Eyes of Blue  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:12:56pm

re: #436 UFO TOFU

OT
And now for something really scary...

When I clicked "NO" on the poll asking if I was going to carve an Obama pumpkin it said I had already voted. I hope that's not a sign of things to come. I want one so I can smash it in the street though.

587 GeeWiz  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:13:40pm

re: #572 Adrenalyn

I hope you got lucky!

588 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:13:43pm

re: #568 jorline

Frightening:


but polls prove that the majority of the country doesn't care about this irrelevant Bill Ayers nonsense.

(true, & scary)

You are not "normal" Americans, you are a lunatic fringe,

(some Americans are more important, and relevant than others?)


by selecting one of you



so he selected an absurdly unqualified lunatic ignorant hick from Alaska that is the laughingstock of most of the country.

(re: Palin)


Womens suffrage, civil rights, abolishment of jim crow laws, end of slavery, voting rights act, hate crime legislation...all liberal goals that conservatives tried to stop and failed. Your side always fails in the end.

(not sure those are "anti-Conservative" values, but it might have a point)

589 welshgirl  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:13:50pm

[Link: www.protestthemedia.com...]

This sounds interesting, but I can't figure out any SoCal protests outside the email addresses of the media in my county.

590 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:13:59pm

re: #579 Adrenalyn

You mean we have to live with these people? Holly crap!


I would respond to this but am afraid I'd get deleted
maybe even banned....
(ahem)


Adrenalyn........ I know what you were thinking!
Shame on you .........Cause I thought it first!
So there!

591 jamie  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:14:25pm

I hate Illinois Nazis.

592 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:14:29pm

OT

I dropped off my mail in ballot at city hall this afternoon. McCain got my vote. I was all over the place with the local races and amendments.

Hopefully his wishy-washy, hands-across-the-aisle, mister-nice-guy reign will become a political sppen bump that will slow thing down for a while.

If we can slow down the crooks, then we can work on getting most of the criminals in Washington arrested, convicted and secured behind bars.

Anyone wants to help?

593 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:14:34pm

re: #284 WrathofG-d

No. They just are looking to "move past" "Jesus Land". I was one, and hang with Liberals, and media types. They aren't bad people, they just have no patience for anything they don't agree with. Their opinion are not simply opinions, they are (as far as they are concerned) THE FACTS/THE TRUTH/THE WAY, and if you disagree, you aren't simply having a difference of opinion, you are a racist, sexist, homophobe, evil, mean, angry, hateful, etc. They unconsciously believe they know what is best for everyone, and are just simply smarter, and more in touch with everything than anyone else is (especially if you disagree with them).

That's the northeast in a nutshell (broadly speaking), and it's one of the reasons I left.

It's not one of the top five reasons (those would be things like "cost of living", "ease of doing business", and so on) but it's in top ten. Basically I was just sick of the monumental arrogance.

594 rightymouse  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:14:44pm

re: #583 FurryOldGuyJeans

Or even think such a thing (Marxist) would be good.


Yeah..until Marxism is actually applied on them by their government. Then it's too late to say "I was kidding" when they're being hauled away or lined up against a wall to be shot.

595 baxtrice  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:15:00pm

re: #581 eon

Federation is always weak compared to the other empires, but The Enterprise under Kirk was just laughable (in the card game). Especially when Picard's enterprise basically doubled everything. Can we say "favoring"?

Sorry, I'm a Star Trek purist. TNG makes me want to throw things.

596 Adrenalyn  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:15:08pm

re: #582 mensamann

That idiot doesn't know what racist is. I lived in south Florida in the late sixties into the mid seventies.

I hate to do this, but I can sincerely top that.
I lived in GA when Jimmah was gov.
You wanna talk racists, it was sad to see humans treated that way, is how I can sum it up

and religion in school - YUP !
right there in HomeRoom every day at the public Screwel

597 baxtrice  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:15:22pm

re: #584 Desert Dog

But, what really matters....does Kirk get the green babe at the end?

Of course, it's Kirk!

598 Colonel Panik  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:15:36pm

re: #468 mitthrawnurdo

//And was I the only one annoyed that Samuel L (snakes on my motherf*$&ing plane!) Jackson played Mace Windu?

I thought the names Lucas came up with for the prequels were truly lame.

"Mace Windu" sounds like a chemical riot control agent or a window cleaner.

"Count Dooku" sounds like something a just potty trained toddler would do after taking a dump.

599 Throbert McGee  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:15:56pm

re: #165 West Coast Freedom

Quoting from Hot Air:

I'm convinced, Obama could take a shit, on stage, in front of 90,000 people, televised to 20 million viewers; wipe his ass, pull up his pants, walk over to the microphone, and with a straight face, say: "I did NOT just shit on this stage."

"That's a really interesting act, but what do you call it?"

"The Aristocrat!"

600 PAgirlinNC  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:16:17pm

re: #568 jorline

Did you go back to the site and remind him how many of his "liberal goals" were actually accomplished by the Republican party?

601 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:16:23pm

re: #594 rightymouse

Yeah..until Marxism is actually applied on them by their government. Then it's too late to say "I was kidding" when they're being hauled away or lined up against a wall to be shot.

The advocates never think they won't always be one of the safe ones.

602 Marlin925  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:16:28pm

Anyone want to guess on the probability that Peter Ross Range lives in a gated community & would poop himself if he had to take a stroll through da 'hood?

603 eon  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:16:41pm

Well, I'm outta here.

Tonight, the local station is airing a debate between all three of OH's candidates for Attorney General.

/I want to find out which one wants to eat gun owners alive, as opposed to seasoning and cooking us first.

Good night, Lizards.

Keep warm.

cheers

eon

604 rightymouse  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:16:44pm

re: #585 Killgore Trout

Video: Christopher Buckley on quitting National Review and voting for Obama

After thinking about this for a while I think it was a bad move for National review to let him go. The demands of ideological purity and homogeny have been hallmarks of the left for quite a while. It's a sign of fear, insecurity and weakness.


I thought Rich Lowry did a good job at NRO explaining the siutation.

605 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:16:46pm

re: #572 Adrenalyn

Okay, spill it. Where are you at that you're fishing for browns?

606 Desert Dog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:16:51pm

re: #586 Eyes of Blue

When I clicked "NO" on the poll asking if I was going to carve an Obama pumpkin it said I had already voted. I hope that's not a sign of things to come. I want one so I can smash it in the street though.

Here's what my pumpkin did when it saw the Obamapumpkin

607 Adrenalyn  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:17:07pm

re: #590 reloadingisnotahobby

Adrenalyn........ I know what you were thinking!
Shame on you .........Cause I thought it first!
So there!

nice nic, by the way
I know a guy who reloads for a living
up in the foothills of Liberalia (formerly California)
but he's left handed
don't know how that works
(ducking)

608 J.S.  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:17:20pm

re: #528 nyc redneck

Yes -- these allegations of "racism" etc., act as perfect distractors -- supporters of McCain have to stop, and then expend time to explain "Why, no! no! obama's not an Arab" blah, blah, blah, or "why, no Obama's really a decent man! he's not a terrorist," blah, blah, blah. So what happens (ironically enough) is that McCain supporters have to come out and express their "support" for Obama...that's to counter the absurdist claims by the extremist freaks...(and, I suspect, why the MSM is so eager and ready to bring out the videos of the extremist freaks).

609 loflyer  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:17:30pm

re: #592 Walter L. Newton

OT

I dropped off my mail in ballot at city hall this afternoon. McCain got my vote. I was all over the place with the local races and amendments.

Hopefully his wishy-washy, hands-across-the-aisle, mister-nice-guy reign will become a political sppen bump that will slow thing down for a while.

If we can slow down the crooks, then we can work on getting most of the criminals in Washington arrested, convicted and secured behind bars.

Anyone wants to help?

Yaar, mate I did the same a week ago. Voted for McCain and against the incumbants. Libertarians got the majority of 'me vote. I know exactly where you are coming from....

610 jorline  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:17:36pm

re: #588 WrathofG-d

Frightening:


(not sure those are "anti-Conservative" values, but it might have a point)

Hey, Wrath...good to see you.

Can you imagine what this guys rage will be if his guy loses?

611 Iron Fist  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:17:42pm

re: #545 jorline

This is the way Obama acts now. How will he behave if he is elected President? Speak no "evil", or the Machinery of the State will squelch you.

Not that he'd send in tanks to burn down your home (that was Bill Clinton), mind you. That's for enforcing Gun Control.

612 gmsc  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:17:46pm

re: #586 Eyes of Blue

When I clicked "NO" on the poll asking if I was going to carve an Obama pumpkin it said I had already voted. I hope that's not a sign of things to come. I want one so I can smash it in the street though.

Yeswecarve is temporarily down due to all the LGF people clicking on the link!

613 arethusa  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:18:53pm

re: #585 Killgore Trout

Video: Christopher Buckley on quitting National Review and voting for Obama

After thinking about this for a while I think it was a bad move for National review to let him go. The demands of ideological purity and homogeny have been hallmarks of the left for quite a while. It's a sign of fear, insecurity and weakness.

Going along with that, NRO says that they took Buckley's "jaunty" offer to resign seriously, in part because Steyn was back and could reclaim his old job on the back page.

614 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:19:10pm

re: #607 Adrenalyn

I too am left handed!
We are a sly lot!
And Doc!
I thought EVERYONE had Brown trout in they're streams and river!

615 jorline  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:19:46pm

re: #600 PAgirlinNC

Did you go back to the site and remind him how many of his "liberal goals" were actually accomplished by the Republican party?

I wouldn't waste my time on him, you can't talk sense to these people.

616 JacksonTn  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:20:07pm

re: #599 Throbert McGee

"That's a really interesting act, but what do you call it?"

"The Aristocrat!"

Ha ....... I saw that movie ......... the nastiest guy was that Bob guy from the Home Videos ......

617 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:20:10pm

re: #593 Pawn of the Oppressor

The worst part for me (joking of course) is that they are actually (for the most part) really super sweet, and kind people. They are just exceptionally intolerant, and closed-minded.

Trying to explain to an ex, who organized Anti-Bush rallies in NY why I voted for Bush, was like trying to explain why it is ok to rape babies. Liberalism is their religion, and anything other than it is a sin!

618 Archimedes  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:20:24pm

re: #528 nyc redneck

i refuse to let that ugly allegation stop me.
i know i;m not a racist.
they are using the race card the way the hrc uses the concept of "hate speech." this is how they seek to shut us down.
remember how ezra levant just came out swinging and changed the focus of the conversation w/ that horrid little investigator who tried to back him down.
he didn't take the bait. he crushed her and her oppressive stupid bureaucratic p.c.rules and regulations that violated his free speech.
these slurs are so emotionally charged. they are designed to cripple free speech.
ignore the allegations of racism. it has nothing to do w/ anything.
keep the focus on what this radical commie candidate has said and done.
keep the focus on how he will harm our country.

Stop you? HELL NO! Injustices motivate me. Not even a question. We have the moral high ground big time. You have the right attitude.

619 gmsc  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:20:36pm

re: #614 reloadingisnotahobby

I too am left handed!
We are a sly lot!
And Doc!
I thought EVERYONE had Brown trout in they're streams and river!

I've always considered left-handed people to be somewhat sinister by nature.

620 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:20:39pm

re: #607 Adrenalyn

You sayin't there's sumting wrong with bein' a Lefty? ;)

621 rightside  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:20:57pm

re: #566 loflyer

I'd vote for that!

622 rightymouse  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:21:03pm

re: #601 FurryOldGuyJeans

The advocates never think they won't always be one of the safe ones.

Funny how delusion works, eh? There's no such thing as personal safety under communism.

623 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:21:04pm

re: #610 jorline

Great to see you.

No, there will be no rage...its head will just explode. Or it will go back to its fantasy of "stolen elections" or "racism'.

624 Adrenalyn  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:21:15pm

re: #605 Cap'n DOC

Okay, spill it. Where are you at that you're fishing for browns?

oh boy - I could not
one, liberals would try to assasinate me
two, it's in my "hood", sort of
and very special and quiet
me and the bears and cougars
in a place not many folks go, even locals
but I have to say, I live in a very nice place
if it were just not in Calif......it would be perfect
and by the way, I have been nearly shot by hunters, not knowing I am there
and no, I know better than to shoot back, stealth and diplomacy are better survival skills in that situation

625 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:21:19pm

re: #619 gmsc

I've always considered left-handed people to be somewhat sinister by nature.


Mom? Is that you!

626 mitthrawnurdo  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:21:31pm

re: #615 jorline

They have DA TRUTH, YOU HEAR?!?

/Anything else is racism or blasphemy.

627 loflyer  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:21:47pm

re: #614 reloadingisnotahobby

I too am left handed!
We are a sly lot!
And Doc!
I thought EVERYONE had Brown trout in they're streams and river!

Haaar, mate. I just have to ask, if reloading is not your hobby, is it your profession? Many lizards own guns and would love cheap ammo! What do you suggest, mate?

628 Marlin925  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:22:01pm

re: #568 jorline


Oh, I love that TOLERANT and oh-so multikultural point "unqualified lunatic ignorant hick from Alaska."
Wish my redneck bretheren would have a sit-down strike and let the latte sippers do the heavy lifting we do for this country... Can't be done, though, because not all suburbanites and city dwellers are moonbats.

629 arethusa  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:22:11pm

re: #614 reloadingisnotahobby

I too am left handed!
We are a sly lot!
And Doc!
I thought EVERYONE had Brown trout in they're streams and river!

Obama and McCain are also both left-handed. As quite a lot of recent Presidents have been (Clinton, Bush 41 (I think) at least). Some lotta left-handers in charge over the past 20 years.

630 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:22:20pm

re: #622 rightymouse

Funny how delusion works, eh? There's no such thing as personal safety under communism.

Personal safety comes from superior firepower, I always say. ;)

631 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:22:22pm

re: #604 rightymouse

A Word on Christopher Buckley

Thanks, I hadn't seen that.

632 gmsc  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:22:39pm

re: #625 reloadingisnotahobby

Mom? Is that you!

Umm . . . no.

633 Iron Fist  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:22:59pm

re: #568 jorline

You mean we have to live with these people? Holly crap!

Oh, I so hope the Moonbats decide that they want to lay "Civil War". It'll be fun :-)
634 rightymouse  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:23:07pm

re: #630 FurryOldGuyJeans

Personal safety comes from superior firepower, I always say. ;)

AMEN to that! :)

635 FrogMarch  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:23:12pm

This is an excellent post by Jeff G. at PW.
Please read every word.

The “progressive” strategy to overtake our institutions from within

snip...

The press — and many progressive bloggers — have worked overtime to keep these associations either secret or, once revealed, to keep the significance of the associations minimalized, often through the most tenuous and downright pathetic rhetorical maneuvers.

Still, when you have the press making arguments that voter fraud is not a big deal because it isn’t likely to have much of an effect, you realize — if you haven’t been either swept up in the power hungry machinations of the progressive leadership or else are the useful “low-intelligence voters” who the progressive elite count on to vote a particular way, having used the state and the insinuation of progressive ideological “truism” into our institutions to “mold” the perfect useful idiots — that America has lost its way politically.

And I say that not from the perspective of party, but rather from the perspective of ideology. Classical liberalism is slowly being replaced by the statism of soft socialism, protected by a “progressive” ideology designed to guard its own gains as it move inexorably toward cheerful authoritarian control.

636 JacksonTn  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:23:14pm

re: #619 gmsc

I've always considered left-handed people to be somewhat sinister by nature.

Osama is left-handed ....... my father (who has passed) pointed that out to me in a video he saw of him ...... or maybe he goes both ways ....

637 Adrenalyn  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:23:27pm

re: #614 reloadingisnotahobby

I too am left handed!
We are a sly lot!
And Doc!
I thought EVERYONE had Brown trout in they're streams and river!

ah, but these are native
you get one on the line and you've got a fight
I love it when they do the death roll
right as they get near grabbed

638 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:23:56pm

re: #619 gmsc

I've always considered left-handed people to be somewhat sinister by nature.

.......more than one nun had that opinion of me and my south paw ways.........

639 rightymouse  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:23:57pm

re: #631 Killgore Trout

A Word on Christopher Buckley

Thanks, I hadn't seen that.

No problem.
It's rather sad, actually.

640 jorline  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:23:58pm

re: #611 Iron Fist

This is the way Obama acts now. How will he behave if he is elected President? Speak no "evil", or the Machinery of the State will squelch you.

Not that he'd send in tanks to burn down your home (that was Bill Clinton), mind you. That's for enforcing Gun Control.

Good evening Iron...have to agree with you. Obama's brown shirts will make sure that everyone is of the right left mind and in total agreement with "The One".

641 gop_patriot  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:23:58pm

re: #515 Killgore Trout

....and Europeans. Could you imagine a black or asian Prime minister in Germany, France or England? That would be unthinkable. I don't think an ethnic minority has ever even come close or was seriously considered for the position.

So true. And yet they think they're qualified to lecture us about it... not sure why they think that, but they do.

It's always funny when Europeans come to the South, all prepared to lecture us on how to be multi-culti and tolerant. I got into some interesting conversations with tourists when I worked retail in a big department store (when I was in Memphis- all the sophisticated Europeans come to see Graceland). They were literally shocked at times about how black and white people there got along and were good friends. I told them this wasn't 1950, and to quit getting their information about Southerners from the movies.

642 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:24:20pm

re: #614 reloadingisnotahobby

Rivers, yes - but streams - this is the time of the year. I'm not a purist and I like to eat trout, but I do like catching big Browns on flies.

643 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:25:00pm

re: #627 loflyer

Haaar, mate. I just have to ask, if reloading is not your hobby, is it your profession? Many lizards own guns and would love cheap ammo! What do you suggest, mate?

Reloading is a zen kind of way to .......Not really!
Ha !I shoot ALOT! therfore I LOAD a lot!
I also work up ammo for friends that don't have the time!
It also allows me to shoot exotic guns and calibers with out having to BUY IT!

644 Colonel Panik  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:25:00pm

re: #593 Pawn of the Oppressor

That's the northeast in a nutshell (broadly speaking), and it's one of the reasons I left.

It's not one of the top five reasons (those would be things like "cost of living", "ease of doing business", and so on) but it's in top ten. Basically I was just sick of the monumental arrogance.


That's what I felt about California. I'm much happier as a Zonie, heat or no heat.

645 loflyer  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:25:37pm

re: #642 Cap'n DOC

Rivers, yes - but streams - this is the time of the year. I'm not a purist and I like to eat trout, but I do like catching big Browns on flies.

You catch 'em, and I'll cook 'em mate!

646 Adrenalyn  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:25:44pm

outta here
the missus says I must pay for yesterday
and go do the shopping today

good evenin' to all

647 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:25:46pm

re: #629 arethusa

Some lotta left-handers in charge over the past 20 years.


as it should be.....

648 FrogMarch  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:26:00pm

re: #631 Killgore Trout


You beat me to it.

Over the weekend, Chris wrote us a jaunty e-mail with the subject line "A Sincere Offer," in which he offered to resign his column on NR's back page and said that if we accepted, there "would be no hard feelings, only warmest regards and understanding." We took the offer sincerely. Chris had done us the favor of writing the column beginning seven issues ago on a "trial basis" (his words), while our regular back-page columnist, Mark Steyn, was on hiatus. Now, Mark is back to writing again, and—I'm delighted to say—will be on NR's back-page in the new issue.

649 Desert Dog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:26:03pm

re: #644 Colonel Panik

In what part of the Valley do you live Colonel?

650 Racer X  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:26:15pm

re: #568 jorline

By Steven

The history of America is always towards progression. Liberals always win, conservatives do nothing more than delay. Womens suffrage, civil rights, abolishment of jim crow laws, end of slavery, voting rights act, hate crime legislation...all liberal goals that conservatives tried to stop and failed.

Uh, Steven, you may want to crack open your 6th grade history book and do your homework.

651 Soona'  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:26:17pm

re: #593 Pawn of the Oppressor

That's the northeast in a nutshell (broadly speaking), and it's one of the reasons I left.

It's not one of the top five reasons (those would be things like "cost of living", "ease of doing business", and so on) but it's in top ten. Basically I was just sick of the monumental arrogance.

From this post, as so many others on this thread, Rush said it a long time ago: Ignorance is the most expensive commodity in the US. and that political correctness will eventually stifle free speech.

652 gop_patriot  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:26:28pm

re: #541 rightside

Palin/Steele '12

653 loflyer  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:26:55pm

re: #643 reloadingisnotahobby

Reloading is a zen kind of way to .......Not really!
Ha !I shoot ALOT! therfore I LOAD a lot!
I also work up ammo for friends that don't have the time!
It also allows me to shoot exotic guns and calibers with out having to BUY IT!

Very Kewl mate!

654 debutaunt  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:27:37pm

re: #63 willowone

6, articulate, ya know.

655 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:27:37pm

re: #637 Adrenalyn

ah, but these are native
you get one on the line and you've got a fight
I love it when they do the death roll
right as they get near grabbed

I'm in Utah ........I know native.....Brook,Brown,Tiger!
I only keep them if they injured!

656 nyc redneck  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:27:45pm

i was thinking abt. the pronouncement that michelle o. made abt. how our "souls are broken." and barack is going to heal them.
she is such an obnoxious buffoon. decreeing, summarily, that our souls are 'broken' and her husband has the cure.
what a grifter tag team they are.

and here, in contrast, is gov. palin who loves america, and what we stand for.
her plan is to, basically, just get politicians and gov't out of the way and watch our country thrive .
she believes in the american citizen. and knows our souls are fine.

657 Colonel Panik  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:28:33pm

re: #649 Desert Dog

In what part of the Valley do you live Colonel?

Ahwatukee. Just across the 10 from Tempe and Chandler.

658 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:29:06pm

Wow!
Look at the time!
Goodnight!

659 nyc redneck  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:29:12pm

re: #592 Walter L. Newton

good work walter. you did the right thing.

660 rightside  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:29:31pm

re: #652 gop_patriot

That'd work too!

661 Desert Dog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:29:36pm

Pretty to close to there right now, NE Tempe....the Dog House is in NE Mesa, Red Mountain area

662 JacksonTn  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:29:45pm

Acorn registration crap is all advance play in case Obama loses (which I think he will) ....... when he loses they will say ...... how could we have lost when we had so many registered dems ....... they knew all along these would not register as many real votes ....... Obama is already putting something in his talking points today alluding to voter suppression ......... I am sure there is a chapter in Rules for Radicals about this somewhere ......

663 Colonel Panik  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:29:59pm

re: #643 reloadingisnotahobby

Reloading is a zen kind of way to .......Not really!
Ha !I shoot ALOT! therfore I LOAD a lot!
I also work up ammo for friends that don't have the time!
It also allows me to shoot exotic guns and calibers with out having to BUY IT!

What kind of reloading machine do you use?

664 solomonpanting  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:30:37pm

re: #568 jorline

so he selected an absurdly unqualified lunatic ignorant hick from Alaska that is the laughingstock of most of the country.

Years ago I heard a voice in rebuttal to this type of sterotype:

"As opposed to whom? Decadent parasites bleeding the rest of the country dry in order to satiate their hedonistic appetites?"

665 Eyes of Blue  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:30:42pm

re: #514 Walter L. Newton

SOPHISTS, you racist!
/

There you are Walter! I have been waiting for you. Here you go.

[Link: coloradoindependent.com...]

666 arethusa  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:30:55pm

Welcome to the world, Sarah McCain Palin!

We'd better hope McCain-Palin win, or this kid is going to have a rough life.

667 jorline  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:31:12pm

re: #623 WrathofG-d

Great to see you.

No, there will be no rage...its head will just explode. Or it will go back to its fantasy of "stolen elections" or "racism'.

Quick true story.

My wife's mother sent her sister an email about Obama. The email was titled "Do you really know Barack Obama". It contained all factual information we've discussed here, nothing far-fetched. My wife's aunt is 85 and ultra-liberal...she sent back one of the most vile responses I've ever read. The Aunt ended the email by stating she didn't wish to speak to her sister, wife's mother, ever again. Talk about a divisive candidate.

668 gmsc  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:31:13pm

re: #638 IslandLibertarian

.......more than one nun had that opinion of me and my south paw ways.........

Oh, it's not an opinion. Left-handed people are sinister as a fact. They're also gauche.

669 Colonel Panik  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:31:28pm

re: #661 Desert Dog

Pretty to close to there right now, NE Tempe....the Dog House is in NE Mesa, Red Mountain area

That's very convinient for getting to the Red Mountain skeet and trap range and the rifle range and Usery Mountain park...

670 JacksonTn  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:31:45pm

re: #666 arethusa

Welcome to the world, Sarah McCain Palin!

We'd better hope McCain-Palin win, or this kid is going to have a rough life.

Not in Tennessee she won't .......

671 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:31:50pm

re: #663 Colonel Panik

I'll bet it's a Dillon.

672 jorline  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:31:55pm

re: #626 mitthrawnurdo

They have DA TRUTH, YOU HEAR?!?

/Anything else is racism or blasphemy.

scary...very scary!

673 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:32:31pm

re: #668 gmsc

Oh, it's not an opinion. Left-handed people are sinister as a fact. They're also gauche.

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT!

674 Soona'  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:33:05pm

re: #670 JacksonTn

Not in Tennessee she won't .......

Or Oklahoma.

675 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:33:13pm

re: #668 gmsc

Hey! I resemble that remark!

676 realwest  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:33:24pm

Hey all y'all - just have about 30 minutes break in my normal routine tonight and thought I'd drop by.
I haven't had the chance to read this thread, but, at the risk of being redundant, I think it's manifest that the reason they are attacking McCain/Palin based on racism is because they have NOTHING ELSE. Nada.
Troopergate didn't stick. Not only did Palin's e-mails not yield any gold nuggets it got the hacker indicted by the Feds. They really haven't focused a whole lot on anything of real substance on either Palin or McCain.
I can practically smell the desperation in the air - last debate tomorrow, McCain unveils his economic plan today. Last debate tomorrow and ACORN is indicted on RICO charges in Ohio. Debate is tomorrow and Obama's numbers seem to have hit a plateau and even gone down modestly.
I'm feeling better and better about this election because they are, probably unwittingly, calling most of America and certainly most of White America racists - oh yes they are, you don't have to read between the lines to really understand that.
Just hope Johnny Mac really sticks it to Obama, ignores Obama's smirks and stops saying "my friends" and starts saying "my fellow Americans".

677 JacksonTn  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:33:31pm

re: #667 jorline

Quick true story.

My wife's mother sent her sister an email about Obama. The email was titled "Do you really know Barack Obama". It contained all factual information we've discussed here, nothing far-fetched. My wife's aunt is 85 and ultra-liberal...she sent back one of the most vile responses I've ever read. The Aunt ended the email by stating she didn't wish to speak to her sister, wife's mother, ever again. Talk about a divisive candidate.

I went to get my hair cut today ....... the haircutter said they have had fights in the shop over this election ....... not physical but some of the haircutters not speaking to each other ......

678 Desert Dog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:33:44pm

re: #669 Colonel Panik

The cub scouts and I are camping/hiking there this weekend! I was hoping the weather was changing, but looks like the high 90's are coming back.

679 Colonel Panik  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:34:37pm

re: #671 Cap'n DOC

I'll bet it's a Dillon.

Their factory is in Scottsdale Air Park.

I like their catalogs. ;)

680 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:34:58pm

re: #677 JacksonTn

I went to get my hair cut today ....... the haircutter said they have had fights in the shop over this election ....... not physical but some of the haircutters not speaking to each other ......

Ah yeah, Unity candidate. *rolls eyes*

681 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:35:41pm

re: #643 reloadingisnotahobby

Reloading is a zen kind of way to .......Not really!
Ha !I shoot ALOT! therfore I LOAD a lot!
I also work up ammo for friends that don't have the time!
It also allows me to shoot exotic guns and calibers with out having to BUY IT!

Are you my brother? I mean he must have every gun known to man and reloads alot...He always took my boys out shooting stuff when they grew up..Thus one son that ended up a saw gunner in the 3/5 marines..My Son loves shooting stuff and sends us video on his phone blowing stuff up.

682 Osama Bin Asshat  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:35:54pm

3 weeks is an eternity in politics...the Obama crowd is real cocky right now....in reality, they are ripe for picking, if McCain wants it!...polls will get closer and Obama et al will panic. The left will shit themselves and riot when McCain wins.


/2 cents

683 Desert Dog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:36:11pm

re: #680 FurryOldGuyJeans

Ah yeah, Unity candidate. *rolls eyes*

I would be quiet while the cutting is going on....otherwise you'll get a nice crew cut if you piss off the stylist!

684 Colonel Panik  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:36:22pm

re: #678 Desert Dog

The cub scouts and I are camping/hiking there this weekend! I was hoping the weather was changing, but looks like the high 90's are coming back.

Yeah, it got warm today, had to turn the AC back on about 2:00pm.

I want to do that Wind Cave hike. Is that where you are taking the Scouts?

685 AceR  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:36:48pm

Witless (IMHO) in no particular order:

Barack Obama
Michelle Obama
Joe Biden
Harry Reid
Nancy Pelosi
Barney Frank
Chris Dodd
Franklin Raines
Jesse Jackson
Al Sharpton
Chuck Schumer
Sean Penn
Bruce Springstein
Madonna
Chris Rock
Bill Maher
Daily Kos readers
Arianna Huffington
Gavin Newsome
Maxine Waters
Jeremiah Wright
Bill Ayers
Berndine Dohrn
Father Pfleger
Oprah
New York Times
John Kerry
Al Gore
The View (except Elizabeth)
Chris Matthews
Keith Olbermann
Rachel Maddow
MSNBC
NBC
CBS
ABC
Gwen Ifill
Katie Couric
Charles Gibson
Acorn
Europe (especially Germany)

Should I go on?

686 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:36:51pm

re: #667 jorline

That is horrible. Really sad for your relatives. I dislike Obama, and am very concerned (even SCARED) about what type of Country he will create if elected....but I wouldn't stop talking to my relatives for voting for him.

(I have lost a couple friends however when the found out that I was a Bush supporter, so I guess it is not surprising.)

687 Colonel Panik  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:37:07pm

re: #677 JacksonTn

I went to get my hair cut today ....... the haircutter said they have had fights in the shop over this election ....... not physical but some of the haircutters not speaking to each other ......

Watch out or they might go Sweeney Todd on you!

688 jorline  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:37:11pm

re: #677 JacksonTn

I went to get my hair cut today ....... the haircutter said they have had fights in the shop over this election ....... not physical but some of the haircutters not speaking to each other ......

Remind me to pass on getting a shave and a hair cut there will ya.

689 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:37:18pm

re: #683 Desert Dog

I would be quiet while the cutting is going on....otherwise you'll get a nice crew cut if you piss off the stylist!

That sounds like a cut I would like, seriously. I am left-handed, and proud to be gauche. ;)

690 loflyer  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:37:23pm

re: #667 jorline

Quick true story.

My wife's mother sent her sister an email about Obama. The email was titled "Do you really know Barack Obama". It contained all factual information we've discussed here, nothing far-fetched. My wife's aunt is 85 and ultra-liberal...she sent back one of the most vile responses I've ever read. The Aunt ended the email by stating she didn't wish to speak to her sister, wife's mother, ever again. Talk about a divisive candidate.

Arrr, a very sad state of state of affairs, took the day off to let 'me hurting back recupe and perused the local rag and was amazed at the vile and baseless attacks against Palin and her offspring for no basis but for acts that only the accusers would persue. I really fear a class war a decade down the road. I have no fear as to who will win, I just fear the casualties to the innocent...

691 arethusa  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:37:53pm

re: #682 Osama Bin Asshat

3 weeks is an eternity in politics...the Obama crowd is real cocky right now....in reality, they are ripe for picking, if McCain wants it!...polls will get closer and Obama et al will panic. The left will shit themselves and riot when McCain wins.


/2 cents

Someone - I think on NRO, but I can't find it now - said that at this point in 1980, Reagan was 10 down?

692 itellu3times  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:38:02pm

If being black is too much trouble for Obama, maybe he should give it up.

693 Desert Dog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:38:19pm

re: #684 Colonel Panik

We'll see if they make it that far....the oldest boy in the group is 8....My older boy was boy scout and he did that a few years back...there are many cool trails on the eastside of town....Superstitions, Usery Range

694 JacksonTn  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:38:51pm

re: #685 AceR

Witless (IMHO) in no particular order:

Barack Obama
Michelle Obama
Joe Biden
Harry Reid
Nancy Pelosi
Barney Frank
Chris Dodd
Franklin Raines
Jesse Jackson
Al Sharpton
Chuck Schumer
Sean Penn
Bruce Springstein
Madonna
Chris Rock
Bill Maher
Daily Kos readers
Arianna Huffington
Gavin Newsome
Maxine Waters
Jeremiah Wright
Bill Ayers
Berndine Dohrn
Father Pfleger
Oprah
New York Times
John Kerry
Al Gore
The View (except Elizabeth)
Chris Matthews
Keith Olbermann
Rachel Maddow
MSNBC
NBC
CBS
ABC
Gwen Ifill
Katie Couric
Charles Gibson
Acorn
Europe (especially Germany)

Should I go on?

Mika Brzezinski (Morning Joe Zbig's daughter)

695 Osama Bin Asshat  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:39:03pm

If Obama is elected he will create, basically France!

696 mitthrawnurdo  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:39:28pm

re: #667 jorline

Better hope that your Aunt doesn't contact the Obama campaign and that the person who sent the e-mail doesn't get..um..."re-educated".

/You're right - it's pathetic and infantile how Obamatons act when their perception of reality is questioned.

697 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:39:47pm

re: #685 AceR

CNN?

698 HDrepub  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:39:50pm

re: #676 realwest

Just hope Johnny Mac really sticks it to Obama, ignores Obama's smirks and stops saying "my friends" and starts saying "my fellow Americans".


"My fellow Americans" was LBJ's favorite words.

699 gop_patriot  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:39:53pm

re: #667 jorline

Quick true story.

My wife's mother sent her sister an email about Obama. The email was titled "Do you really know Barack Obama". It contained all factual information we've discussed here, nothing far-fetched. My wife's aunt is 85 and ultra-liberal...she sent back one of the most vile responses I've ever read. The Aunt ended the email by stating she didn't wish to speak to her sister, wife's mother, ever again. Talk about a divisive candidate.

Sounds to me like she sure does know all about Barack Obama; radical leftists and uber-libs get annoyed when people figure out what they're up to.

700 jorline  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:40:01pm

re: #686 WrathofG-d

That is horrible. Really sad for your relatives. I dislike Obama, and am very concerned (even SCARED) about what type of Country he will create if elected....but I wouldn't stop talking to my relatives for voting for him.

(I have lost a couple friends however when the found out that I was a Bush supporter, so I guess it is not surprising.)

It is sad...actually I've always enjoyed her aunt, lives in Chicago, but you had to stay clear of politics.

701 Timbre  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:40:13pm
But Palin, with plenty of abetment from McCain, has gotten it going again with the theme that Obama “is not a man who sees America like you and I see America." She’s selling Obama not as the black, but as the other. This obviously can appeal to racial fears and antagonisms.

I'm probably the 700th person to wonder how the above paragraph even makes any sense. "Other" means black? No, Peter Ross Range, it means Obama sees America as a socialist state with him as CEO.

702 realwest  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:40:53pm

re: #667 jorline Hey jorline, seems to me your wife's sister got the better of the deal there!
But your bigger point is most certainly true, Barack Obama is the MOST divisive candidate for President in I don't know how long - more divisive than Gore, more divisive than Kerry and yet the polls seem to have him in front at this juncture.
I wonder why? Ya think maybe folks are afraid to speak up about and against him?!

703 AceR  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:41:18pm

#694 Jackson...good one!

704 Buck  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:41:32pm

OT:

I am sending this to everyone I can:

Why Acorn Voter Registration fraud matters!
Clearly no one can vote as Mickey Mouse,
or some of the other obvious frauds,
BUT sometimes if you want to overcome a system,
you can do it easier by creating chaos, than by direct assault.

705 mitthrawnurdo  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:42:09pm

re: #704 Buck


Right-o!

/"In the end, there will be only chaos".

706 Cicero05  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:42:26pm

re: #692 itellu3times

If being black is too much trouble for Obama, maybe he should give it up.

Then he'd be just another Leftie white male politician. What good is that?

707 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:42:33pm

re: #695 Osama Bin Asshat

If Obama is elected he will create, basically France!

With or without the French wine and food?
Would we all get a French Chef? Tariff on the wine..
/oh and french pastries...
//I'm not say'n that my vote is up for grabs...But I need ALL the facts here..
///great nic osama

708 rightymouse  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:42:53pm

685 AceR

Here's a few more:
Alec Baldwin
Rosie O'Donnell
Sandra Bernhard
Tim Mahoney

709 Perplexed  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:43:16pm

Listen, you old German cow, we don't give a damn what you think (tapping on side of head with index finger while screaming this at the writer of the article).

710 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:43:31pm
711 loflyer  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:43:39pm

re: #705 mitthrawnurdo

Right-o!

/"In the end, there will be only chaos".

Mate, I do not believe in chaos. I have a plan and will live it!

712 realwest  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:44:05pm

re: #708 rightymouse
Hey hi there righty! How are you doing these days?

713 Soona'  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:44:09pm

re: #705 mitthrawnurdo

Right-o!

/"In the end, there will be only chaos".

Entropy!

714 Tamron  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:44:52pm

re: #462 baxtrice

How do we take these people seriously when they post *crap* like that? That's the best they can do, "Lie."? SRSLY. (I'm not even going to get into the fact that his/her/it's logic is so extremely missing in that piece..)


Logic has nothing to do with it. Obama is running for a beauty contest, the outcome of which is largely determined by emotions and bluster. That's what Political Public Relations actually is, and from that standpoint they're making serious headway.

How much logic is there in a cheap Cal Worthington Chevy/Ford TV commercial? None. "I'll stand on my head to give you a better deal" is what this is all about. The charismatic (but inept President) Obama is putting on a dog-and-pony show, and your admission price, because he made you smile, is doing something for him in return. It's a subtle (fake) hidden contract.

When Sarah Palin suddenly appeared out of nowhere, his subtle hidden (fake) contracts started dissolving when compared with Sarah's subtle hidden (genuine patriotic lady who's a successful leader) contract, which sent the Dems into a tailspin.

They've GOT to shoot her down any way that they can. Lying is their first tool, and it appears more and more to be their ONLY tool. Her husband is partly Alaskan Native and they now accuse her of being a 'rascist', for example. Blatant lie. LIE, LIE, LIE. Goebbels all over again.

Such lies can't last forever, however, and each time Gov. Palin is attacked she seems to come out even stronger. She smiles and calls it "getting clobbered." Kinda like ho-hum, so what? It's only politics on a national scale.

I met her two years ago and didn't yet know just what a 'Natural' she is, at this game. You go, girl!
.

715 jorline  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:44:57pm

re: #690 loflyer

Arrr, a very sad state of state of affairs, took the day off to let 'me hurting back recupe and perused the local rag and was amazed at the vile and baseless attacks against Palin and her offspring for no basis but for acts that only the accusers would persue. I really fear a class war a decade down the road. I have no fear as to who will win, I just fear the casualties to the innocent...

Hey matey...Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Good points, loflyer...I fear our country will change a lot in the next ten years. Thankfully I live around a lot of like mind Texans...we're loaded for bear...lol

716 mitthrawnurdo  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:45:04pm

re: #695 Osama Bin Asshat

Even worse than France.

/"Look upon the new U.S. Soviet Republic (USSR) and despair, bitter clingers! Finally, the 'Change' that comrade Lenin gave his life for is almost complete" - the future O.

717 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:45:11pm

re: #700 jorline

Out of respect for this relative in Chicago, I won't comment on how I feel about her decision.

So much for respectfully disagreeing.

718 arethusa  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:45:25pm

If I could pick just one state in this election to be free of voter fraud this time around (link refers to 2004), it would be Pennsylvania. Not because I live there, but because flipping it is one of McCain's two serious paths to victory in the Electoral College.

719 spidly  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:45:47pm

Lefties are alway classy. Hustler makes "Nailin' Palin" porn

heard about this from a witless fucktard at work who listens to Air America. guess whatever host is on at 4 in the morning was insisting that there was a link to it off the McCain Campaign website and that they payed for it.

720 jorline  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:46:23pm

re: #696 mitthrawnurdo

Better hope that your Aunt doesn't contact the Obama campaign and that the person who sent the e-mail doesn't get..um..."re-educated".

/You're right - it's pathetic and infantile how Obamatons act when their perception of reality is questioned.

I'm afraid you may be right. :(

721 Perplexed  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:46:26pm

re: #713 Soona'

Entropy!

Just wait. When Microsoft figures it out they will be the first ones to market a reverse entropy generator to prove Apple was wrong.

722 jorline  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:47:05pm

re: #699 gop_patriot

Sounds to me like she sure does know all about Barack Obama; radical leftists and uber-libs get annoyed when people figure out what they're up to.

Ding!

723 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:47:12pm

re: #459 rawmuse

I am so over the race scorn. It is being used as a bludgeon and a conversation stopper. So now, if a moonbat asks me who I am voting for I just say I am voting for McWhitey and be done with it.

McWhitey/C-Word in 08!

724 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:47:22pm

re: #719 spidly

In another scene -- a flashback -- "young Paylin's creationist college professor will explain a 'big bang' theory even she can't deny!"

There's also a threeway with Hillary and Condoleezza look-alikes. The video is in pre-production, but is being fast tracked for release before the election.


Well, it is Larry Flint.

725 rightymouse  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:47:42pm

re: #712 realwest

Hey hi there righty! How are you doing these days?


Doing well! And you?

726 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:47:58pm

re: #668 gmsc

Oh, it's not an opinion. Left-handed people are sinister as a fact. They're also gauche.



the French word for "left-handed", gauche, which means "awkward, inept, clumsy"

Leonardo Da Vinci and Michelangelo amongst the clumsiest no doubt.

/uncouth peasant!

727 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:49:06pm

re: #720 jorline

I'm afraid you may be right. :(

I don't think I would want a 'Aunt' in Chicago being upset at me either..
I'll bet she has lot's of 'friends'.. right Jorline?
*wink*

728 loflyer  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:49:09pm

re: #715 jorline

Hey matey...Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Good points, loflyer...I fear our country will change a lot in the next ten years. Thankfully I live around a lot of like mind Texans...we're loaded for bear...lol

Arrr, a .45 and a 12 gage will settle many an argument very fast. They don't seem inclined to reasonable debate though. It is either their way or the highway...

729 rightymouse  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:49:42pm

re: #723 Sharmuta

McWhitey/C-Word in 08!


I'm so using that tomorrow on my Dem boss. Heh.

730 wiffersnapper  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:50:31pm

STOP ATTACKING THE MESSIAH YOU ZIONISTS!

731 jorline  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:50:56pm

re: #702 realwest

Hey jorline, seems to me your wife's sister got the better of the deal there!
But your bigger point is most certainly true, Barack Obama is the MOST divisive candidate for President in I don't know how long - more divisive than Gore, more divisive than Kerry and yet the polls seem to have him in front at this juncture.
I wonder why? Ya think maybe folks are afraid to speak up about and against him?!

HEY, RW...good to see you my friend.

BTW, it was my wife's aunt...here mothers sister.

Want to read something that will really make your blood boil RW?
Scroll up to my #568. I know you...brace yourself.

732 gop_patriot  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:51:17pm

re: #719 spidly

That is so disgusting.

733 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:51:41pm

re: #719 spidly

What upsets me about this all is that Sarah Palin is A REAL HUMAN BEING, besides being a political candidate.

All these sexist, offensive, disgusting comments and porn movies are being made about someones MOTHER, and WIFE.

So I don't get banned from LGF I won't comment on what I would do if someone did/said these things about my wife.

It is one thing to discuss their politics, statements, intelligence, credibility, experience, etc., but to comment on these such things are disgusting and beyond-the-pale.

734 favorednation  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:51:43pm

I think I had an Ethnicity Swirl once.

735 yah  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:51:47pm
736 Osama Bin Asshat  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:51:56pm

France is an entitlement society built on socialism. Once you are socialist, it will be VERY difficult to reverse the worst aspects as people who become too used to the government doing everything for them.

I'm Canadian, our election is today....saw a girl on the news, ~19-20...said she's voting for the socialist party (NDP) because she plays guitar and wants ARTS and MUSIC funding! I'm thinking.....so you want the government to buy you a fucking guitar? This is what the USA stands to experience with Obama...entitlement...irreversible entitlements.

737 Tamron  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:52:06pm

re: #619 gmsc

I've always considered left-handed people to be somewhat sinister by nature.


Can we assume that you do know that the word SINISTER means 'left' or 'related to the left hand', don't you? Whereas, DEXTER (dextrous, etc.) means 'right' or 'related to the right hand.'

Trivia for today.
.

738 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:52:57pm

re: #729 rightymouse

I'm so using that tomorrow on my Dem boss. Heh.

I wonder if it would make any of them stop about who it is that's really being hateful and divisive. Let us know how the boss takes it.

739 Cicero05  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:53:06pm

re: #726 IslandLibertarian


the French word for "left-handed", gauche, which means "awkward, inept, clumsy"

And droit means right. As in, adroit -- skillful or capable. So you can be a gauche Leftist or an adroit Rightie.

740 realwest  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:53:13pm

Hmm - Fox News is now reporting that Obama is ahead of McCain by 14 points, with a bigger move than that my independents to Obama, all because of the way McCain has changed his campaign over the past few weeks.
Did any of you notice a change in McCain's campaign over the past few weeks - or was it a change in the coverage of the McCain Campaign that happened in the last few weeks (and no, they didn't say which poll put up those numbers)?
Oh and btw, the poll also discovered - apparently for the first time, that 9% are now concerned about Obama's relationship with Ayers and 11% about his relationship with Wright, whereas neither Ayers nor Wright were even on the radar screen two weeks or so ago.

741 arethusa  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:53:48pm

re: #737 Tamron

Can we assume that you do know that the word SINISTER means 'left' or 'related to the left hand', don't you? Whereas, DEXTER (dextrous, etc.) means 'right' or 'related to the right hand.'

Trivia for today.
.

More trivia: for the Romans, birds were considered omens. If they flew by on your right hand, that was good. If on the left, bad sign. For the Greeks it was just the opposite.

742 realwest  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:53:51pm

re: #725 rightymouse
I'm doing ok, thanks! Glad to hear you're doing well!

743 jorline  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:53:53pm

re: #727 HoosierHoops

I don't think I would want a 'Aunt' in Chicago being upset at me either..
I'll bet she has lot's of 'friends'.. right Jorline?
*wink*

Hey, Hoopster.

I don't want to sleep with the fishes tonight.

744 willowone  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:54:46pm

re: #733 WrathofG-d
and the attacking of her daughter , husband and baby, they have crossed any line of decency that was left.

745 Desert Dog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:54:59pm

re: #740 realwest

Hmm - Fox News is now reporting that Obama is ahead of McCain by 14 points, with a bigger move than that my independents to Obama, all because of the way McCain has changed his campaign over the past few weeks.
Did any of you notice a change in McCain's campaign over the past few weeks - or was it a change in the coverage of the McCain Campaign that happened in the last few weeks (and no, they didn't say which poll put up those numbers)?
Oh and btw, the poll also discovered - apparently for the first time, that 9% are now concerned about Obama's relationship with Ayers and 11% about his relationship with Wright, whereas neither Ayers nor Wright were even on the radar screen two weeks or so ago.

CBS/NYT

Zogby has it at OBAMA 48.2%, MCCAIN 44.4%... NOT SURE 7.4%...

from Drudge

746 realwest  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:55:15pm

Whoa, that 30 minutes went fast - sorry y'all, I'd love to stay and play, but dinner is awaiting!
Hope you all enjoy the early evening and that I get the chance to see you all later on this evening (Eastern time, that is!).

747 loflyer  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:55:28pm

re: #740 realwest

Hmm - Fox News is now reporting that Obama is ahead of McCain by 14 points, with a bigger move than that my independents to Obama, all because of the way McCain has changed his campaign over the past few weeks.
Did any of you notice a change in McCain's campaign over the past few weeks - or was it a change in the coverage of the McCain Campaign that happened in the last few weeks (and no, they didn't say which poll put up those numbers)?
Oh and btw, the poll also discovered - apparently for the first time, that 9% are now concerned about Obama's relationship with Ayers and 11% about his relationship with Wright, whereas neither Ayers nor Wright were even on the radar screen two weeks or so ago.

Arrr, Real can I interest you in some beachfront property in Omaha?
/

748 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:55:40pm

re: #744 willowone

Again with the Irony. Remember how much they complained about any attacks on the Clinton kid?

749 arethusa  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:55:52pm

re: #740 realwest

If it's not a FOX poll, it's got to be the CBS/NYT poll; only one on RCP that has Obama up 14. As for the rest...is that good news that Ayers and Wright are now on people's radar screens?

750 itellu3times  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:55:54pm

re: #706 Cicero05

Then he'd be just another Leftie white male politician. What good is that?

Right. I used to say, if he wanted to be taken seriously, he should change his name to Joe Smith. Now, I'm glad he didn't. Really, is the name working for him? I doubt it. But he sounds like what he is, way out there. For better or worse.

751 jorline  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:56:05pm

re: #728 loflyer

Arrr, a .45 and a 12 gage will settle many an argument very fast. They don't seem inclined to reasonable debate though. It is either their way or the highway...

loflyer...you need to come to Corpus Christi in February. We have "Buccaneer Days"...you would have a blast.

752 itellu3times  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:56:23pm

re: #749 arethusa

If it's not a FOX poll, it's got to be the CBS/NYT poll; only one on RCP that has Obama up 14. As for the rest...is that good news that Ayers and Wright are now on people's radar screens?

People got radar screens?

753 Desert Dog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:56:23pm

That CBS/NYT poll is more like wishful thinking.....it is closer than that.....they are just trying to discourage Republicans from voting....

754 Tamron  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:56:23pm

re: #741 arethusa

More trivia: for the Romans, birds were considered omens. If they flew by on your right hand, that was good. If on the left, bad sign. For the Greeks it was just the opposite.

Maybe they drove on the opposite of the road?

Heh.
.

755 Soona'  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:56:51pm

Hasta louigi, everyone.

756 Twilight  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:57:01pm

re: #12 Desert Dog

Official response by German govt : We like Barak, we really do, but we can't just let every member of an inferior race non-citizen to run for president, even if he's not a Jew a good orator.

757 sngnsgt  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:57:15pm

re: #668 gmsc

Oh, it's not an opinion. Left-handed people are sinister as a fact. They're also gauche.

Hey, I resemble that remark!

/Lefty

758 arethusa  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:58:11pm

re: #745 Desert Dog

CBS/NYT had Obama up only 3 one week ago. I just don't believe such a dramatic shift, even over a week.

759 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:58:19pm
760 willowone  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:58:23pm

re: #748 WrathofG-d
yes.

761 loflyer  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:58:32pm

re: #751 jorline

loflyer...you need to come to Corpus Christi in February. We have "Buccaneer Days"...you would have a blast.

Yaar, got a link, mate? I am a sucker for pirates!

762 PAgirlinNC  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:58:55pm

re: #702 realwest

I think there are a couple of reasons he may be ahead in the polls. First, 95% or more of African Americans are voting for him. Most may be registered Democrat to begin with but I think they will make a more concerted effort to vote this year because Obama is black and they want to vote for the first black president.

I believe his "change" meme is another reason. He has never come out and defined "change" - which allows one to project what they think he means by that word. And they think that he believes/will do what they believe. Add this into the BDS that has gone on for the last 8 years. They blame Bush for everything that has gone wrong (economy, gas prices, etc.) - not realizing that the past two years - with the Democrat controlled Congress - is when the problems really began... (high gas, no regulation of Fannie/Freddie, etc.)

Others have speculated about "white man's guilt" and that could also play into it.

And, although I haven't been in a social studies class in awhile, I can almost bet that the Constitution, capitalism and all that this country was founded on and for - is not taught the way it was 20, 30 or 40 years ago.

763 realwest  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:59:04pm

re: #749 arethusa
Ah, well see #745 for the CBS/NYT poll and yes indeedy it is GREAT NEWS for McCain that folks are starting to become aware of Ayers and Wright, in spite of the MSM attempst to gloss them over!
NOW I gotta go eat!

764 Desert Dog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:59:09pm

re: #758 arethusa

It's what they WANT the poll to be......it is close and will go down to the wire....flipping a state is not easy....people believe what they believe.

765 LGoPs  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:59:36pm

re: #31 gop_patriot

What? What?!?

Ignoring the rude insult from a German journalist for a minute, the only people injecting race into this election are the leftists and socialists who are pushing a Marxist, terrorist-befriending empty suit as their choice for President of the United States.

The left's standard tactic is to use projection, reflecting their own base, crude, hate-filled view of life. They literally can't comprehend that anyone would have different reasons to disagree with them. Their attacks provide a window into their own souls - unfortunately most of the undecided, in who's hands rests the fate of the election, will not grasp this.......

766 rightymouse  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 4:59:57pm

re: #738 Sharmuta

I wonder if it would make any of them stop about who it is that's really being hateful and divisive. Let us know how the boss takes it.

He'll take it well - we got into it today when he called Gov. Palin a 'silly woman'. I asked him to explain what he meant. He said 'well, she hunts animals, she's against abortion and evolution". So, then we were off and running, back and forth, etc.

It's amazing how limited one can be when one's info filters are NPR and CNN.

I will say this much for MSM - they know their audience and exactly the soundbites to feed them day in and day out until all rational thought goes out the window.

767 Racer X  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:00:02pm

I see your poll and raise.

McCain 54%
Obama 44%

Source: AOL straw poll.

768 Desert Dog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:00:08pm

See ya all later, I have killed an entire afternoon working (sorta) and posting, a good evening to you all.....

769 FloridaAnole  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:00:40pm

Spiegel is a leftist magazine, and that's European leftist, which is far more savagely Stalinist that our left. Apparently they, and their writer, Range, are infuriated because their Comrade Ayers has been outed.

Range is a "former" Time reporter; Time has been cruising toward the left at warp speed since Jimmy the Peanut took office. That probably explains the "racist" tactic: use of that term is the left's all-purpose destroyer; unfortunately, "racist" is becoming what "fuck" has long since become: just meaningless, dreary noise.

770 Desert Dog  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:00:52pm

re: #767 Racer X

I see your poll and raise.

McCain 54%
Obama 44%

Source: AOL straw poll.


McCain 0%
Obama 100%

Poll of pollsters at CBS/NYT

771 Twilight  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:00:53pm

re: #21 ghengis was a wuss

when Palin says "this is not a man who sees America the way you and I do" she means that he is a socialist. It has nothing to do with race, you race baiters!

Spiegel: Socialism is race too - just look at Europe. If you don't want to end up like us - you're a racist.

772 rightymouse  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:00:57pm

re: #742 realwest

I'm doing ok, thanks! Glad to hear you're doing well!

Good to hear!

Can't wait for this election to be OVER, though.

773 WrathofG-d  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:01:12pm

re: #762 PAgirlinNC


I believe his "change" meme is another reason. He has never come out and defined "change" - which allows one to project what they think he means by that word. And they think that he believes/will do what they believe. Add this into the BDS that has gone on for the last 8 years. They blame Bush for everything that has gone wrong (economy, gas prices, etc.) - not realizing that the past two years - with the Democrat controlled Congress - is when the problems really began... (high gas, no regulation of Fannie/Freddie, etc.)

I think you are right on this one. You can't ignore also how effective the Obama campaign has been as making this political race into one between Bush (yes, I typed correctly) and Obama. McCain is seen as Bush, and has done very little to change that perception.

774 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:01:15pm

Not even the 0bama camp is buying the polling anymore:

Buoyed by encouraging poll numbers -- today's ABC News/Washington Post poll has Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., beating Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz, 53% to 43% -- lots of Obama backers out there seem to think this thing is over.

Sen. Hillary Clinton's senior adviser Howard Wolfson today writes "A PreMortem for The McCain Campaign," stating, "The economic crisis dealt the McCain campaign a fatal body blow." He goes on to explore what McCain should have done differently.

That's not what lots of smart folks in the Obama campaign think. They believe Obama's poll numbers are artificially high, McCain's are artificially low, this race will come down to two or three points, and anything could happen.

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

775 JHW  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:01:21pm

re: #723 Sharmuta

You mentioned VB in a post above. As you know, some people have even tried to defend them here, saying we need allies wherever we can find them, and one of my answers is that they hate the US almost as much as they do foreigners. Here is a partial statement of principles from the European National Front, allied I believe with LePen's party in France. We need no lectures on racism from the likes of these;

- In defense of the soberany[sic., sovereignty], dignity and indepence of Europe and each of the nations which are part of it. One Europe of the Nations against the Europe of merchants, the political globalization and the separatism.

- In defense of our culture, our traditions and our christian identity against the cultural globalization, the uncontrolled inmigration and the entrance of Turkey and Israel into the EU.

- In defense of a economic system based on a real Social Justice against the capitalist globalization and the marxist models.

- In defense of a new world order against the yankee imperialism, where the world won’t be submitted to the USA dictation and their ocasional friends. A world where the developing countries will be really supported, in order to get that their citizens will no longer leave them to fall down into the new slavery coming from the illegal inmigration.

Our Principles

Lectures from Europe! Bah, Humbug.

776 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:01:31pm

re: #751 jorline

loflyer...you need to come to Corpus Christi in February. We have "Buccaneer Days"...you would have a blast.

That sounds like fun.. I'm always coming up with reasons to leave Indiana in Feb...hate it here then...

777 erisldysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:02:28pm

re: #507 rightymouse

NOBODY CARES THAT OBAMA IS BLACK! HIS SKIN PIGMENTATION IS MEANINGLESS! IT'S HIS IDEOLOGY THAT SUCKS! WE THINK THAT BIDEN SUCKS TOO!

Of course.

The left uses this "racism" refrain as a tool of political warfare.

Why would you think there's anything more behind it?

778 ciaospirit  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:02:28pm

re: #64 akak

[Link: www.debbieschlussel.com...]

Obama/Ayers
McCain/Mourad

No wonder people said don't push the Ayers issue.

I think McCain is still the choice, but not by much.

I'm really sick that these people use our money to hire incompetence. D.C. is rampart with this crap. Congress is a bunch of people who frivolously and oftentimes criminally spend other people's money. From your link:

Sources say that if John McCain is elected, Majida Mourad is in line for a top appointment in the McCain Administration. Question: What kind of job do you give to a beauty school grad and "90210" extra, who committed a federal crime falsifying applications, gave details of our nuclear weapon security to Muslim nations on the State Department Terrorist list, and likes to "date" rich men?

Well, maybe she could be the official consort of Guantanamo detention facility.

Not surprisingly, both Spencer Abraham and Majida Mourad refused to respond to repeated requests for interviews about Mourad's falsification of federal employment and security clearance forms and Abraham's orchestration of the ensuing cover-up.

779 CIA Reject  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:02:48pm

Hi folks! I'm just getting back to blogging after taking a little hiatus and I hope everybody id doing well.

Speaking of racism- did anybody have the intestinal fortitude to watch the whole ACORN press conference this morning? Personally I had to quit when they trotted out the blind preacher so I'm wondering how long it took them to accuse everybody in the country of being racists.

My guess was it happened within the first five minutes.

780 RTLM  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:03:23pm

re: #774 Sharmuta

Not even the 0bama camp is buying the polling anymore:

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

A result of closeted racism.

781 arethusa  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:03:36pm

re: #774 Sharmuta

I see a commenter even accused Tapper of racism. He can join the club./

782 loflyer  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:04:17pm

I announced on 'me local rag that I would no longer refer to the Democrat party as "Democrats", that is invalid nomenclature mates. Henceforth the Democrat party is designated "socialist" in pirate-speak.
/just calling a spade a shovel!

783 Ezekiel2517  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:04:17pm

«Lassen Sie mich meine Waffel essen!»

784 erisldysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:04:26pm

Want to crack some ACORNS? See this petition.

Whether you agree or not, doing nothing is not an answer to the impending bloodless coup by the Left and the future United Socialist Islamic States of America.

785 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:04:50pm

Germans criticizing people for being racist. Right.

786 Cicero05  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:05:19pm

re: #750 itellu3times

Right. I used to say, if he wanted to be taken seriously, he should change his name to Joe Smith. Now, I'm glad he didn't. Really, is the name working for him? I doubt it. But he sounds like what he is, way out there. For better or worse.

The name is a big plus for the hard Left. Supporting a Barack Obama for POTUS makes them feel so ... evolved and international.

OTOH, for the lunchbucket Dems in Pennsylvania and Ohio, the name probably doesn't help at all.

787 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:05:36pm

re: #766 rightymouse

He must be really excited about mandated employer healthcare and increased taxes. How many substantial accomplishments of 0bama's can he name?

788 Twilight  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:06:02pm

Please explain to me why the hell would Germans attack Sarah Palin like this. I mean she's not Jewish or anything. But I guess for Germans a strong conservative woman awakens thoughts of "up the furnace with you".

789 erisldysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:06:07pm

re: #765 LGoPs

The left's standard tactic is to use projection, reflecting their own base, crude, hate-filled view of life. They literally can't comprehend that anyone would have different reasons to disagree with them. Their attacks provide a window into their own souls - unfortunately most of the undecided, in who's hands rests the fate of the election, will not grasp this.......

It's more accurately summed up this way:

The left's standard tactic is:

political warfare.

790 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:06:08pm

re: #781 arethusa

I see a commenter even accused Tapper of racism. He can join the club./

Yeah- that's hilarious.

Tapper: I can't be racists, I'm in the tank!

791 Twilight  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:06:52pm

re: #785 Lucius Septimius

Germans criticizing people for being racist. Right.

GMTA

792 loflyer  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:07:01pm

Pandora is really belting out the hits mates. Three weeks and the AI finally zoned into what I really like. Very kewl! Haaar!

793 Cicero05  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:08:27pm

Deutschland ist der 57. Staat.

794 jorline  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:09:10pm

re: #776 HoosierHoops

That sounds like fun.. I'm always coming up with reasons to leave Indiana in Feb...hate it here then...

San Antonio is home for me. If you want a great time go to SA in April for "Fiesta"..."Night In Old San Antonio" is a blast. Every kind of food and drink you could ever imagine.

795 loflyer  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:09:27pm

re: #785 Lucius Septimius

Germans criticizing people for being racist. Right.

Great meetin' you last Sunday, mate! DGL and I engaged two new Atlanta lizards this morning to attend our next meet. Haaaar!

796 arethusa  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:09:46pm

re: #782 loflyer

I announced on 'me local rag that I would no longer refer to the Democrat party as "Democrats", that is invalid nomenclature mates. Henceforth the Democrat party is designated "socialist" in pirate-speak.
/just calling a spade a shovel!

loflyer, I've been wanting to ask - do you belong to the US Pirate Party? :-)

797 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:10:01pm

Unfortunately, if Obama gets elected, we can rest assured that websites like this will be banned for "hate speech." Biden talks more and more like the plan is to begin criminal prosecution of political opponents, and in Florida and Missouri there have already been isolated cases.

"Racist" for these people merely means "disagreeing with us." They are pure fascists. As Arendt said, totalitarians don't actually believe in anything. They use ideology as a cover, but ultimately it's about domination. And they have no shortage of manufactured "moral," "scientific," "social-justice" excuses they can employ to make their crimes easier to swallow for the spineless and cowardly masses.

We've seen it all before. If you'd told me ten years ago it would happen here I wouldn't have believed you, but the victory of fascism in America seems almost unavoidable at this point.

Happy Birthday, Hannah, btw. She'd have been 102 years old today.

798 jorline  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:10:18pm

re: #779 CIA Reject

Hi folks! I'm just getting back to blogging after taking a little hiatus and I hope everybody id doing well.

Speaking of racism- did anybody have the intestinal fortitude to watch the whole ACORN press conference this morning? Personally I had to quit when they trotted out the blind preacher so I'm wondering how long it took them to accuse everybody in the country of being racists.

My guess was it happened within the first five minutes.

Hey, CIA...good to see you. Hope all is well, I haven't seen you lately.

799 Osama Bin Asshat  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:11:32pm

Is there a possibility that Americans may vote for Obama to finally put race behind them....Rice, Thomas, Powell and maybe Obama.... I mean, if I'm a race baiting politician or even citizen (the entire left)....and Obama wins...I have played the last and final race card, maybe in the history of the USA...one would not have recourse to play that card ever again, no more victim status...it's over. What could the left say in 2012...whitey voted him in, in 2008.

/2 cents

800 Syrah  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:12:18pm

re: #797 Lucius Septimius

Unfortunately, if Obama gets elected, we can rest assured that websites like this will be banned for "hate speech." Biden talks more and more like the plan is to begin criminal prosecution of political opponents, and in Florida and Missouri there have already been isolated cases.

"Racist" for these people merely means "disagreeing with us." They are pure fascists. As Arendt said, totalitarians don't actually believe in anything. They use ideology as a cover, but ultimately it's about domination. And they have no shortage of manufactured "moral," "scientific," "social-justice" excuses they can employ to make their crimes easier to swallow for the spineless and cowardly masses.

We've seen it all before. If you'd told me ten years ago it would happen here I wouldn't have believed you, but the victory of fascism in America seems almost unavoidable at this point.

Happy Birthday, Hannah, btw. She'd have been 102 years old today.

How is the Obamamainia on the Campus?

801 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:12:43pm

re: #795 loflyer

Groovy -- Realwest sends his regards.

802 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:12:48pm

re: #775 JHW

The europeans have massive problems on their hands, and they want to waste their time wagging their finger at us about our elections and politics! They really have some nerve.

Their socialist utopia is feeding their immigration troubles, unemployment and crime are out of control, and they ignore the needs of their people to the point the people are turning to fascists!

Yes, europe, by all means PLEASE TELL US WHAT TO DO! Sincerely, Clueless America!

*spit*

803 PAgirlinNC  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:13:22pm

re: #773 WrathofG-d

I think you are right on this one. You can't ignore also how effective the Obama campaign has been as making this political race into one between Bush (yes, I typed correctly) and Obama. McCain is seen as Bush, and has done very little to change that perception.

And I think the reason they most equate him with Bush is because of his support of ending the Iraq war when it is won - not pulling the troops out asap like Obama says he will do. (That 100 years comment McCain made stuck - although anyone with half a brain knows that he was talking about keeping troops there like we do in Germany, S. Korea, etc.)

804 sparrowlake  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:13:29pm

Good evening LGF.
Would it be terribly racist to call the noted international statesman Jesse Jackson a virluent anti-Semite?

805 jorline  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:13:42pm

Tampa Bay is starting up where they left off last night.

Back to back long balls...TB 3 - Boston 0...top of the 1st, no outs.

806 erisldysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:14:03pm

re: #797 Lucius Septimius

Unfortunately, if Obama gets elected, we can rest assured that websites like this will be banned for "hate speech." Biden talks more and more like the plan is to begin criminal prosecution of political opponents, and in Florida and Missouri there have already been isolated cases.

Yeah...let them try to censor the Internet.

Good luck with that!

807 right_on_target  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:14:37pm

re: #783 Ezekiel2517

«Lassen Sie mich meine Waffel essen!


___________________________________
«Und das Proletariat fressen Korn»

808 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:15:05pm

re: #797 Lucius Septimius

Unfortunately, if Obama gets elected, we can rest assured that websites like this will be banned for "hate speech."

That's very doubtful. Unlike the Canadians and Europeans we have a constitution that guarantees free speech. It can't happen here.

809 CIA Reject  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:15:16pm

re: #798 jorline

Hey, CIA...good to see you. Hope all is well, I haven't seen you lately.

Hi Jorline, I like your new avatar. All is well now thanks! I was layed up in the hospital for a week or so and I'm on medical leave now to complete the recovery at home but I'm feeling much better.

Hope things are going well with you!

810 talon_262  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:15:37pm

re: #367 MJBrutus

All together now:

I'm a racist.
He's a racist.
She's a racist.
They're all racists.
Wouldn't ya like to be a racist too?

Damnit, now you done gone and got that old Dr. Pepper jingle stuck in my head!

;-P

811 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:15:51pm

re: #784 erisldysnomia

Want to crack some ACORNS? See this petition.

Whether you agree or not, doing nothing is not an answer to the impending bloodless coup by the Left and the future United Socialist Islamic States of America.


You know..I really love your passion..and you point to a great cause in american politic..
But who would you send this petition to?
The SCOTUS? no legal standing.
Congress? You'd be better off driving an oil rig up to ANWAR.
Bush? He sends our most precious children to fight and die for the right to vote in Iraq..To free a country under bondage to vote...You sending it to him?
A few drunks and junkies on the registration rolls won't make a wit of difference in 3 weeks..
Your real power is driving every one you know to the polls...
Your power is thinking positive to all your friends and neighbors...and being an example of a good citizen.
your power is to be strong in the face of weakness..calm in the face of panic..show love in a world of hate...
Your life will change more votes in the long run than a million petitions..
Be strong lizards..we will win this thing...big time...

812 erisldysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:15:51pm

re: #806 erisldysnomia

Yeah...let them try to censor the Internet.

Good luck with that!

I should add that Leftism's complete control of "the narrative" is no longer possible, thanks to new communications technologies such as the Internet.

Without complete control, they are going to find the total Marxist Revolution of their dreams ever so difficult.

813 spidly  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:16:10pm

get your income off the books.

814 rightymouse  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:16:16pm

re: #787 Sharmuta

He must be really excited about mandated employer healthcare and increased taxes. How many substantial accomplishments of 0bama's can he name?

These arguments mean nothing to him. He's an old ('80's) Jewish guy & wealthy. I even gave him the article on Jesse Jackson and Israel. Just fobbed it off as noise and unimportant. It's almost as though he just does not want to hear anything contrary to the comfortable sound-bites stuck in his head about McCain and Palin. Uncomfortable facts about his own candidate are unimportant. How does one fight this kind of irrational mindset?

815 jorline  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:16:29pm

re: #809 CIA Reject

Hi Jorline, I like your new avatar. All is well now thanks! I was layed up in the hospital for a week or so and I'm on medical leave now to complete the recovery at home but I'm feeling much better.

Hope things are going well with you!

Prayers go out to you my friend...glad you're back and feeling better.

816 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:17:06pm

re: #800 Syrah

How is the Obamamainia on the Campus?

It's there, though not as extreme (in my limited experience) as one might think. The same kind of students with Obama t-shirts are the ones who always vote -- or pretend to vote -- for Democrats. But they know nothing about him except that he's black and liberal.

What's interesting is the number of academics I know who are genuinely disturbed by his candidacy -- they were Clinton supporters, and are not taken with the "upstart." I don't know that they'll cross over, but they aren't excited either.

817 FloridaAnole  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:17:06pm

re: #808 Killgore Trout

That's very doubtful. Unlike the Canadians and Europeans we have a constitution that guarantees free speech. It can't happen here.

Unless Obama-nominated Supreme Court Judges rule that censorship of the Internet is constitutional.

818 erisldysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:17:13pm

re: #811 HoosierHoops

You know..I really love your passion..and you point to a great cause in american politic..
But who would you send this petition to?
The SCOTUS? no legal standing.
Congress? You'd be better off driving an oil rig up to ANWAR.
Bush? He sends our most precious children to fight and die for the right to vote in Iraq..To free a country under bondage to vote...You sending it to him?
A few drunks and junkies on the registration rolls won't make a wit of difference in 3 weeks..
Your real power is driving every one you know to the polls...
Your power is thinking positive to all your friends and neighbors...and being an example of a good citizen.
your power is to be strong in the face of weakness..calm in the face of panic..show love in a world of hate...
Your life will change more votes in the long run than a million petitions..
Be strong lizards..we will win this thing...big time...

Who needs to "send it" to anyone? That's such pre-internet thinking.

Who did Charles "send" the Smoking Document to?

Its existence says to politicians that people ae angry in a way they can understand: the threat of loss of votes.

819 loflyer  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:17:20pm

re: #796 arethusa

loflyer, I've been wanting to ask - do you belong to the US Pirate Party? :-)

Arrr mate, I profess 'me allegiance to the libertarians, I will never vote for Bob Barr and his head in the sand compatriots, but I do believe in minimum government and regulation to get the job done. I generally vote republican but have been extremely dissatisfied with the Bush Admin except for Afghanistan and Iraq. A forward defense trumps all mates!

820 J.S.  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:17:30pm

re: #808 Killgore Trout

We also have a Charter of Rights and Freedoms -- which includes "free speech"...doesn't protect us from officious, out-of-control bureaucrats at the HRCs...(it's suprising how quickly certain "rights" and "freedoms" can be eroded...)

821 tradewind  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:17:46pm

And somehow stuff like this just doesn't have any legs.....
[Link: sweetness-light.com...]

822 Cicero05  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:17:48pm

re: #804 sparrowlake

Good evening LGF.
Would it be terribly racist to call the noted international statesman Jesse Jackson a virluent anti-Semite?

Jesse's intentions are honorable. He just doesn't want the entire country to end up like Hymieland, in control of the Jooos.

823 Iron Fist  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:17:52pm

re: #804 sparrowlake

Just because he hates Jews, well, that doesn't mean he's an anti-Semite. You know, a kinder, gentler Judenhass brought to you by the Democratic party.

824 ladycatnip  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:17:58pm

Charles,

Gateway Pundit has a piece on a new 8th grade textbook just off the press and into the classroom with a 15 page section on Obama and how he has served our country. This whole Obamania is getting farther into the twilight zone.

Unbelievable.

825 CIA Reject  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:18:15pm

re: #815 jorline

Prayers go out to you my friend...glad you're back and feeling better.

Thanks! I appreciate your prayers especially!

826 loflyer  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:18:21pm

re: #801 Lucius Septimius

Groovy -- Realwest sends his regards.

Why am I not surprised mate? Thanx!

827 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:18:55pm

re: #808 Killgore Trout

That's very doubtful. Unlike the Canadians and Europeans we have a constitution that guarantees free speech. It can't happen here.

You'd be surprised. The courts have found all kinds of ways of suppressing "free speech." And an Obama supreme court would gut the Bill of Rights in a heart beat. And don't forget the "fairness doctrine." They've already promised to return that.

828 profitsbeard  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:19:28pm

Obama uber alles!

829 Ojoe  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:19:35pm

re: #811 HoosierHoops

Be strong lizards..we will win this thing...big time...

Portae Inferi Non Praevalebunt.

830 tradewind  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:19:39pm

re: #822 Cicero05

Please tell me...... how can any one who is Jewish or a friend of Israel, or, let's face it..... a normal thinking human...... even entertain the thought of voting for Obama?
Redefines the term ' self-hating', at the very least.

831 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:19:49pm

re: #817 FloridaAnole

It looks like Chairman Obama might get 3 nominations for the Supremes. Not enough to throw out the constitution. It would take a few decades of marxist presidents to do that.

832 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:20:35pm

re: #830 tradewind

Please tell me...... how can any one who is Jewish or a friend of Israel, or, let's face it..... a normal thinking human...... even entertain the thought of voting for Obama?
Redefines the term ' self-hating', at the very least.

It's like a friend of mine says -- his mother goes into the booth and thinks that she's still voting for Adlai Stevenson.

833 JCM  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:20:54pm

re: #827 Lucius Septimius

Is it just me or have you been a stranger for awhile?
Either way good to see you nic!

834 nyc redneck  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:20:55pm

these krauts have attacked sarah because they think she is a convenient place for them to put their own guilt.
this shows they have learned NOTHING. they have done no thinking abt, their country's crimes against humanity.
and they can 'lech mich am arsch'.

835 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:20:58pm

re: #830 tradewind

I'm not sure of the exact numbers but I'd guess about 80% of Jews will be voting for Obama. They shouldn't be hard to find, you can ask them yourself.

836 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:21:11pm

YO OBAMA -

Tonight is the "erev" of the Ides of October. From here until at least Election Day on 11/4, I shall append my comments regarding you with the following -

"K-M-I-T" - Those of you that understand Yiddish probably have already "got it." - Those of you who don't will assuredly figure it out - quickly.

-S-re: #804 sparrowlake

Good evening LGF.
Would it be terribly racist to call the noted international statesman Jesse Jackson a virluent anti-Semite?

837 spidly  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:21:37pm

re: #808 Killgore Trout

That's very doubtful. Unlike the Canadians and Europeans we have a constitution that guarantees free speech. It can't happen here.

soviets promised all sorts of thing in their constitution

838 erisldysnomia  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:21:42pm

re: #811 HoosierHoops

You know..I really love your passion..and you point to a great cause in american politic..
But who would you send this petition to?

You know, I enjoy the discourse on the LGF comment boards, but ...

It seems many here are deficient in the category of activity known as "subversion."

The Left excels in it, and if you don't want to be living in the United Socialist Islamic Republic of Obamerica™, perhaps the Right needs to learn the strategies, tactics and operational issues of subversion as well.

839 Syrah  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:21:44pm

re: #816 Lucius Septimius

It's there, though not as extreme (in my limited experience) as one might think. The same kind of students with Obama t-shirts are the ones who always vote -- or pretend to vote -- for Democrats. But they know nothing about him except that he's black and liberal.

What's interesting is the number of academics I know who are genuinely disturbed by his candidacy -- they were Clinton supporters, and are not taken with the "upstart." I don't know that they'll cross over, but they aren't excited either.

It would be damaging enough to The One if they were to leave that spot blank on their ballots. I think the left is counting them as in the bag and taking them for granted.

840 rawmuse  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:21:46pm

re: #808 Killgore Trout

That's very doubtful. Unlike the Canadians and Europeans we have a constitution that guarantees free speech. It can't happen here.

Not only can it happen, it already did happen. The Fairness Doctrine was a real law, and was on the books. Reagan repealed it.

841 least  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:22:00pm

In other words, "When Obamessiah takes his rightful place (at the top) and Amerikkka takes its rightful place (at the bottom), then we'll deal with the Jooooooos."
Jesse is disgusting.
*spit*

842 tradewind  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:22:05pm

re: #832 Lucius Septimius

Well hell's bells...... then someone should sit down with Bubby and explain the facts of life.
Actually, I hear that is just what Sarah Silverman is advocating ...... only she wants all the enlightened Jewish grandkids up North to visit grandma and grandpa and talk them into voting for BHO.

843 Syrah  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:23:00pm

Hmmm.

Black shirts.

Brown shirts.

Blue shirts.

. . .

844 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:23:40pm
845 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:23:43pm

Taught from little on how the communists would take over our country -- from within. They chose the issue of race, stole it from the Black community, and made it their own - their way in. Education ala Ayers, ACORN was conceived of by communists (community organizers) and became the institutionalized subterfuge vehicle that may now win them this election. Americans slept for 50 years. "We won the Cold War!," they shouted. Well now patriots, what next?

846 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 14, 2008 5:23:48pm

re: #814 rightymouse

How does one fight this kind of irrational mindset?

I wish I knew, righty. The best I can come up with these days is to press the question, "how is this person qualified?" No changing the subject to Sarah or anyone else. Just all one the 0ne. How is he qualified? What has he done? They don't seem to have an answer.