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A Friend of Bill Ayers in the Wall Street Journal

Politics | Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:42:18 am PDT

Here’s a sympathetic look at William Ayers from a friend of the former Weather Underground leader, on the Wall Street Journal Opinion page: My Friend Bill Ayers - WSJ.com.

I do not defend the things Mr. Ayers did in his Weatherman days. Nor will I quibble with those who find Mr. Ayers wanting in contrition. His 2001 memoir is shot through with regret, but it lacks the abject style our culture prefers.

Instead I want to note that, in its haste to convict a man merely for associating with Mr. Ayers, the GOP is effectively proposing to make the upcoming election into the largest mass trial in history, with all those professors and all those do-gooders on the hook for someone else’s deeds four decades ago. Also in the dock: the demonic city (Chicago) that once named Mr. Ayers its “Citizen of the Year.” Fire up Hurricane Katrina and point it toward Lake Michigan!

The McCain campaign has made much of its leader’s honor and bravery, but now it has chosen to mount its greatest attack against a man who poses no conceivable threat to the country, who has nothing to do with this year’s issues, and who cannot or will not defend himself. Apparently this makes him an irresistible target.

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1 Outrider  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:43:37am

a friend in need is a friend indeed

2 the REAL  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:43:54am

Poor baby

3 Thanos  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:44:50am

It's not an association, it's a political alliance. Get it right WSJ.

4 joncelli  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:44:57am

Nobody is this dense: It's the fact that Obama associates with him and that he is unrepentant in any meaningful sense. Why is this hard to understand?

5 WitchDoctor  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:45:28am

"His 2001 memoir is shot through with regret, but it lacks the abject style our culture prefers."

Perhaps the most disingenuous thing I have ever read.

6 Sizzlack  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:45:36am
on the hook for someone else’s deeds four decades ago

You know, Charles Manson committed some "deeds" four decades ago. Would you want to be his buddy if he were released from prison today?

Didn't think so.

7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:46:01am
The McCain campaign has made much of its leader’s honor and bravery, but now it has chosen to mount its greatest attack against a man who poses no conceivable threat to the country, who has nothing to do with this year’s issues, and who cannot or will not defend himself.

I consider a terrorist and socialsist attempting to influence the education of our children a very large threat to our country. His teachings have obviously affected one of the candidate's world view, which make it an issue. Finally, with enough MSM shills doing the job for him, Ayers hasn't needed to make a statement.

8 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:46:08am

As Robert Zimmerman once said, "You don't need a Weatherman to know which way the wind blows".

9 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:46:10am

As I remember it, didn't Sen. McCain say "he didn't care about some old terrorist"? They're really worried, ain't they?

10 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:46:11am

Commie agitprop.

11 realwest  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:46:27am

Merely associating with him?
Uh, sorry for the re-post from the a prior thread folks, but in response to a question of mine regarding Obama writing a blurb for a book jacket of a book written by Billy Ayers, Kenneth responded thusly:

Yes, A Kind and Just Parent by Ayers, about juvinile criminal justice system. Obama reviewed it. Obama & Ayres worked together on a reform to Illinois laws on juvenile justice system.


And yet, VERY RECENTLY, Obama claimed that he hardly knew Billy Ayers. Gee, I wonder how that can be?! Oh, I see, just "associating" with him equals writing a blurb on the Ayers' bookjacket and working with Ayers on the juvenille justice system in Illinois.
Damn good thing for us that they weren't friends!

12 bosforus  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:46:31am

Well I'm convinced. Ayers must not matter.

13 Globular Cluster  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:46:37am

Ayers "poses no conceivable threat to the country"? Really? You don't think he's channeling his anti-Americanism into his little pinata?

14 Rednek  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:46:47am

This does nothing to excuse the sqandering of over $100 million that BHO was responsible for as the head of the Annenberg Challenge.

15 Desert Dog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:46:47am

Ah gee, I guess he's right, I mean Ayers showed "some regret" in his memoirs, so come on....that is enough for me. I wonder if that was before or after he said he didn't do enough and decided to use the flag as a doormat?

This isn't about the human pile of scum that is William Ayers, it's about the man running for the highest office in the land and his decision making. You are know by the company you keep, and Obama keeps terrorists and racists as his friends.

16 Thanos  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:46:52am
Also in the dock: the demonic city (Chicago) that once named Mr. Ayers its “Citizen of the Year.” Fire up Hurricane Katrina and point it toward Lake Michigan!

Ka TRIN A! Ka TRIN A! At TIC A~ errr KA TRIN A!

17 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:47:09am

Oh boy, they let Ol' Plugs out his crate.

/c'mon motor mouth, say something bat[expletive deleted] crazy!

18 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:47:12am
19 mean Gene  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:47:19am

Hitler was a wonderful dancer, or so I'm told.
And Mussolini got the trains running on time.
I mean who is ALL bad all the time?

20 krycek  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:47:21am
21 Ben Hur  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:47:56am

Arafat was just a misunderstood gay smurf.

22 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:48:06am

re: #6 Sizzlack

You know, Charles Manson committed some "deeds" four decades ago. Would you want to be his buddy if he were released from prison today?

Didn't think so.

"In a statement from U.S Attorney General Charles Manson..."

23 Sizzlack  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:48:14am

re: #19 mean Gene

Hitler was a wonderful dancer, or so I'm told.
And Mussolini got the trains running on time.
I mean who is ALL bad all the time?

Dr. Evil?

24 Thanos  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:48:30am

re: #14 Rednek

This does nothing to excuse the sqandering of over $100 million that BHO was responsible for as the head of the Annenberg Challenge.

If you count the matching grants and contributions it's actually 150 million wasted.

25 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:48:34am

re: #18 ploome hineni

re: #9 Cap'n DOC

As I remember it, didn't Sen. McCain say "he didn't care about some old terrorist"? They're really worried, ain't they?

26 loppyd  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:48:36am

re: #17 Killian Bundy

Oh boy, they let Ol' Plugs out his crate.

/c'mon motor mouth, say something bat[expletive deleted] crazy!

is his forehead moving?

27 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:49:03am

re: #21 Ben Hur

Arafat was just a misunderstood gay smurf.

A living, breathing, garden gnome.

28 willowone  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:49:05am

Only re-iterates to me the skewed form of Ethics and Morality many have.

29 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:49:08am
Mr. Ayers has been involved with countless foundation efforts and has received various awards. He volunteers for everything. He may once have been wanted by the FBI, but in the intervening years the man has become such a good citizen he ought to be an honorary Eagle Scout.

Somehow I doubt the Scouts would have him.

30 Rednek  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:49:21am

re: #19 mean Gene

Hitler was a wonderful dancer, or so I'm told.
And Mussolini got the trains running on time.
I mean who is ALL bad all the time?

And Hilter was a talented artist, too!
And loved dogs.
And was nice to the women on his staff.

31 maddogg  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:49:41am

What a crock of shit. Sonofabitch might as well write an apology for Satan. It would make just as much sense.

32 loppyd  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:49:49am

Whatevah.

The man has never said he was sorry. That means he is totally cool with what he did. Which means those who decide to befriend him are cool with it too.

33 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:49:51am
Also in the dock: the demonic city (Chicago) that once named Mr. Ayers its “Citizen of the Year.”

As well it and its legendary corruption should be. Daley, Stroger, Jones, et.al. have been pushing along their socialistic/fascistic agenda for years in the city and in Cook County. Now with Blago, they went statewide with it. With Obama, it's a golden opportunity to make it go national.

34 Iron Fist  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:49:55am

Is it wrong of me to hope that Ayres has a work accident the next time he decides to bomb someplace?

35 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:50:18am

re: #29 scottishbuzzsaw

Somehow I doubt the Scouts would have him.

He'd at least get the merit badge for bomb-making.

36 FloridaAnole  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:50:20am

"Mass Trial?" How can there be a mass trial with only one defendent? Though his activities invited a mass of charges under an indictment. The only reason he is not serving a life sentence is because of a screwup getting warrants on the wiretaps.

As for being no danger to the country, I think his activities re:under-the radar indoctrination of school children are plenty dangerous to the republic.

37 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:50:36am
a man who poses no conceivable threat to the country

The fact that he is now an esteemed professor at a major American University is enough for me to consider him a threat, at least to the minds of his students.

38 jorline  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:50:47am

Sad song for Bill Ayers played on this.

39 Desert Dog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:51:05am

Maybe they can dig up the people that died in the bombings this monster helped plot, plan and implement. I am sure they will be glad to hear that Mr. Ayers expressed some regret......that makes it all better, doesn't it?

40 joecitizen  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:51:08am

clran up on aisle 249 on previous thread..

41 Globular Cluster  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:51:09am

Obama wouldn't pass an FBI clearance check for job position. He wants to be Commander in Chief, however.

42 Palandine  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:51:15am

He stopped being an unskilled bomber.

He went on to use daddy's massive wealth and influence (good thing he didn't personally follow through on his exhortation to "kill your parents") to create programs designed to warp the minds of children and undermine the criminal justice system. He treads on the flag that gives him the right to be a scumbag.

He's FAR more dangerous now than he was in the past, when his incompetence killed three of his hippie terrorist cohorts.

43 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:51:19am

This is pathetic. It is the plea of man to the Cyclops, begging to be eaten last.

44 Bill in AZ  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:51:23am

Preemptive inoculation against anything McCain might say about Ayers in the debate. MSM did the same thing prior to the last debate, and prior to Hannity's America connect-the-dots show a week or so ago.

45 realwest  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:51:28am

Some interesting news, perhaps: Last night on Fox News, Shep Smith was talking about a new poll and said that 9% of Independent Voters and 11% of Independent voters had expressed interest in both Ayers and Wright.
9% and 11% aren't much, but, again according to Smith, two weeks ago, Independents showed NO INTEREST AT ALL in either Ayers or Wright.
Keep pounding 'em folks, sooner or later the American Voter will get it.
I just hope they get it before the election, not after.

46 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:51:31am

re: #34 Iron Fist

IMHO, no.

47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:51:37am

re: #29 scottishbuzzsaw

Somehow I doubt the Scouts would have him.

"So I tried to kill a few people, blow up a few government offices, forced people to have sex with strangers, brainwashed people into a degenerate, violent mindset and encourgaed people to kill their parents. Come on, who didn't do that when they were a kid?"

/

48 Rednek  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:51:39am

re: #31 maddogg

What a crock of shit. Sonofabitch might as well write an apology for Satan. It would make just as much sense.

I think if Obama wins this, the WSJ will need to affirm its help in electing him whenever they write critical editorials about him over the next four years.

49 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:51:39am

Clearly, that article was ghostwritten by Ayers.

50 subsailor68  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:52:20am

As a reference, here are links to Thomas Frank's entry in Wiki, and to his home page:

Wiki Entry

Thomas Frank's Home Page

Enjoy.

//

51 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:52:34am
I do not defend the things Mr. Ayers did in his Weatherman days. Nor will I quibble with those who find Mr. Ayers wanting in contrition. His 2001 memoir is shot through with regret, but it lacks the abject style our culture prefers.

Weaselly, double-talk bullshit.

52 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:52:41am

re: #6 Sizzlack

You know, Charles Manson committed some "deeds" four decades ago. Would you want to be his buddy if he were released from prison today?

Didn't think so.


I think Bernadette Dohrn still would. She is sick.

53 Golem Akbar  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:53:03am

No. No. No.
As an ex-SDS-er, I say hell no.
I left SDS once they started getting into the radical-bomb-thrower mode, and I never looked back. Any of those people, convicted or not, who are unrepentant, deserve complete disdain. For Obama to pal around with Ayers, on any (damned) level, deserves shunning. [my head is about to explode, so I'll just take a chill pill/cup of coffee]

54 subsailor68  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:53:08am

re: #51 Occasional Reader

Amen!

55 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:53:09am

re: #34 Iron Fist

Is it wrong of me to hope that Ayres has a work accident the next time he decides to bomb someplace?

Ayers has switched from the militant to the political wing ala Hezzballah.

56 maddogg  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:53:15am

re: #48 Rednek

I think if Obama wins this, the WSJ will need to affirm its help in electing him whenever they write critical editorials about him over the next four years.

What makes you think criticism is going to be tolerated by the Left after the election?

57 krycek  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:54:05am
58 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:54:09am
His 2001 memoir is shot through with regret

Yes, regret for not having done more.

59 Rednek  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:54:20am

re: #56 maddogg

What makes you think criticism is going to be tolerated by the Left after the election?

That's right. They wouldn't want to be called a bunch of racists.

60 Globular Cluster  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:54:25am

re: #55 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ayers has switched from the militant to the political wing ala Hezzballah.

Bingo.

61 Shug  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:54:39am
The McCain campaign has made much of its leader’s honor and bravery, but now it has chosen to mount its greatest attack against a man who poses no conceivable threat to the country, who has nothing to do with this year’s issues, and who cannot or will not defend himself. Apparently this makes him an irresistible target.

You could say the same thing about Timothy McVeigh

62 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:54:40am

Not only is it about the Weather Underground's nefarious historical deeds, but it is about the ideology that Mr. Ayers promotes to this very day.

63 redstateredneck  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:55:34am

I assume the article was written by this Thomas Frank?

He would certainly be an impartial observer.

64 Outrider  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:55:34am
...a former member of the Weathermen, which planted bombs and issued preposterous statements in the Vietnam era...

Vietnam era? For example the January 29, 1975 bombing of the Harry S Truman Building housing the United States Department of State, they stated it was "in response to escalation in Vietnam."

Escalation in Vietnam? U.S. Congress passed the Case-Church Amendment in June 1973 prohibiting further U.S. military intervention. In April 1975, North Vietnam captured Saigon.

Time to quit rationalizing Mr Franks. Your neighbor just liked sending girls out to blow shit up.

65 SummerSong  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:55:39am

He's a Huff-Po blogger...

66 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:56:07am
Instead I want to note that, in its haste to convict a man merely for associating with Mr. Ayers, the GOP

But if Ayers is this model citizen/latent Eagle Scout/superhumanitarian that you claim he is, what's the problem with associating Obama with him?

Eh?

Make up your mind, Tommy.

67 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:56:11am

re: #34 Iron Fist

Is it wrong of me to hope that Ayres has a work accident the next time he decides to bomb someplace?

Long ago he gave up bomb building for boiling frogs. The soup is about to be served.

68 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:56:28am

If you wish to opine, here's the link to comments on that column. Some good ones there already.

69 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:56:30am

re: #54 subsailor68

Amen!

Hell, I'm a lawyer, and *I'd* be ashamed to write a sentence like that!

70 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:56:49am
a man who poses no conceivable threat to the country,

This 'man who poses no conceivable threat to the country' was able to lead a group to bomb making and killing civilians. If he can impress those to do that, imagine the 'impressions' he is making as a teacher.

'[N]o conceivable threat' my a_ _.

His 2001 memoir is shot through with regret, but it lacks the abject style our culture prefers.

An 'I made a mistake and shouldn't have brainwashed those people into doing what I told them to do. I was a radical deviant and am doing what I can to amend for my crimes. I am sorry.' is too much to ask?

Instead we get this on September 11, 2001:

"I don't regret setting bombs"

and

"I feel we didn't do enough",

and, when asked if he would

"do it all again"

as saying

"I don't want to discount the possibility."

*spit*

71 Ben Hur  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:56:57am

re: #32 loppyd


She was boo-ed.

It was expected.

Keep the case as my gift to you for your wedding.

72 Desert Dog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:57:14am

Obama wants it both ways. He wants to get the approval of people like Ayers and Wright, and then he wants the rest of us to just ignore that, like it does not matter.....in his mind, it doesn't matter...

How did this man get so close to being President? How did this happen? Have we all lost our minds in this country?

73 subsailor68  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:57:20am

re: #62 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I completely agree, and think that's the key. Bad enough that Ayers was what he was - the real point is that he's never retracted his position/rhetoric, and continues to, as you note, promote his agenda even now.

That's what Sen. Obama needs to address - and what Sen. McCain needs to hammer home.

74 maddogg  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:57:57am

re: #61 Shug

You could say the same thing about Timothy McVeigh

No, McVeigh was a right wing bomber, therefore a monster, but a competant monster. Ayres was an incompetant left wing monster, therefore a hero.

75 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:58:01am

re: #72 Desert Dog

Have we all lost our minds in this country?

Well, about 50% have, anyway.

76 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:58:29am

re: #63 redstateredneck

I assume the article was written by this Thomas Frank?

He would certainly be an impartial observer.

Wrecking Crew is a leftist polemic.
What's the matter with Kansas? is a screed insulting rural citizens who vote Republican against their own interests.
It's fitting for him to give Ayers a public tongue-bath, but what's it doing in the WSJ?.

77 WrathofG-d  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:58:41am

A friend from Iowa told me that he got some inside information that this was going to be the new Obama Campaign rally song.

78 guitarguy  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:58:50am

Bill Ayers is no different than Mohammed Atta.
Bill Ayers is no different than Timothy McVeigh.

They each desired to kill innocent civilians at their place of business.
They each succeeded.

Barack Obama HAS to be held to account for his relationship with this terrorist.

79 subsailor68  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:59:33am

re: #69 Occasional Reader

LOL! Looks like he just started stringing words together and decided to throw a period in here and there. :-)

80 Pastorius  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:59:56am

Ghostwriter just in time for Halloween.

81 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:00:01pm

re: #68 Ward Cleaver

If you wish to opine, here's the link to comments on that column. Some good ones there already.

This commenter doesn't think the Scouts would have him either:

Eagle Scouts don't trash capitalism saying that it is built on 'theft, exploitation, racism, conquest and war.'

They don't claim that America's identity is a 'festering sore.'

They don't claim that the US government engages in terrorism.

They don't state that 'capitalism must be defeated by a world revolution.'

And they don't consort with Marxist dictators.

Please don't sully the image of Eagle Scouts by comparing them to American enemies such as Bill Ayers.

82 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:00:10pm
83 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:00:20pm

re: #63 redstateredneck

I assume the article was written by this Thomas Frank?

He would certainly be an impartial observer.

Yep, that's the one. "What's The Matter With Kansas? Don't those gap-toothed flyover hicks realize that socialism is what's good for 'em?"

84 Rednek  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:00:42pm

re: #78 guitarguy

Bill Ayers is no different than Mohammed Atta.
Bill Ayers is no different than Timothy McVeigh.

They each desired to kill innocent civilians at their place of business.
They each succeeded.

Barack Obama HAS to be held to account for his relationship with this terrorist.

If future behavior is predicted by past, then maybe Zawahiri will put him on the board of some philanthropic organization.

85 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:00:56pm

OT: Signs I saw today when I went to pick up Mom from the Senior Center - a 10 mile one-way trip.

10 McCain/Palin (two of them were HUGE)
4 Local state rep (Democrat)
2 Combo - Local state rep (Democrat) plus McCain/Palin
0 Obama/Biden

Plus:

2 Home-made "Top Soil for Sale"
1 Home-made "Super Nurse 66" (Go SUPER NURSE 66! Whoever you are...)

I'm in a red state (TN) but a relatively blue county. I've seen no Obama/Biden signs anywhere.

Heh.

86 Outrider  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:01:00pm

Same Thomas Frank ?

Birds of a feather? Not quite impartial eh?

Frank espouses a Left political perspective and is highly critical of Republican governance, especially the presidency of George W. Bush. However, he has also criticized the Democratic Party for "swearing off economic liberalism"[1]. He is unique among writers on the American Left both for his political outlook, which revives the discourses of the American Populist Movement of the late 19th and early 20th centuries [2], and for his polemical style, which has been said to update that of the muckrakers of the same historical era

Frank is the founder and editor of The Baffler and the author of several books, most recently The Wrecking Crew: How Conservatives Rule. Other writings include essays for Harper's Magazine, Le Monde diplomatique, Bookforum, and the Financial Times. His book What's the Matter with Kansas?, published in 2004, earned him nationwide and international recognition.

87 subsailor68  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:01:30pm

re: #85 Intrepid

How much for the top soil? :-)

88 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:01:30pm
I do not defend the things Mr. Ayers did in his Weatherman days.

But you don't particularly abhor him for it, either.

Me - I find out an associate once killed, or tried to kill, innocent civilians, and it's SAYONARA, ASSHOLE.

89 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:01:31pm

Well, it's off so suffer through a boring two hour CLE on, Kids in Trouble: Juvenile Law.

Hey, maybe Ayers will be a speaker!

/after all, he did write A Kind and Just Parent: The Children of Juvenile Court

90 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:01:41pm

re: #79 subsailor68

LOL! Looks like he just started stringing words together and decided to throw a period in here and there. :-)

It's the "I'm not disagreeing with you, even though you're wrong and stupid and evil" style of discourse.

If weasels could talk, even weasels would blush at talking that way.

91 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:02:06pm
92 Strike Hornet  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:02:27pm

re: #6 Sizzlack

on the hook for someone else’s deeds four decades ago

You know, Charles Manson committed some "deeds" four decades ago. Would you want to be his buddy if he were released from prison today?

Didn't think so.

I'm sure Mr. Manson would be welcomed with open arms into the faculty of the University of Illinois and given the key to the City of Chicago.

F'in loons.

93 jcm  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:02:41pm
His 2001 memoir is shot through with regret,...


The regret of not doing more, not succeeding at Fort Dix, not causing more death and damage, not causing the violent overthrow of our government.

Ayers and his fellow travelers can piss up a rope.

94 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:03:21pm

... Obamessiah threw Ayers under the bus today, by the way...

Stating that you "won't include [a terrorist] in your administration" is reminiscent of another line:

"I absolutely don't beat my wife."

95 Desert Dog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:03:31pm

re: #88 erisldysnomia

But you don't particularly abhor him for it, either.

Me - I find out an associate once killed, or tried to kill, innocent civilians, and it's SAYONARA, ASSHOLE.

Yes, but what if you are a highly ambitious up and coming wannabe politician and this associate represents your way "in"? And, what if you happen to agree with everything he says?

My guess is, you would still say SAYONARA, ASSHOLE!

96 Ben Hur  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:03:56pm

La Pequeña Sarah Palin


It was inevitable.

I guess.

97 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:04:17pm

re: #92 Strike Hornet

I'm sure Mr. Manson would be welcomed with open arms into the faculty of the University of Illinois and given the key to the City of Chicago.

F'in loons.

Why don't we email the senior leaders there and inquire?

98 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:04:25pm

re: #87 subsailor68

How much for the top soil? :-)

Dunno, but one of them also had a pile of rocks beside it. I'll bet you can get a good price for both.

99 cblesz  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:04:29pm

I sent this clown an email last night telling him how pathetic he was. I said that I guess if Osama Bin Laden decided to get his teaching credentials and become a professor at Amherst College, it would make him a good guy and all would be forgotten...

100 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:04:54pm

re: #81 scottishbuzzsaw

This commenter doesn't think the Scouts would have him either:

Au contraire. I'm sure any good troop of Eagle Scouts would be delighted to host Mr. Ayers in the woods for a weekend.

Say, the New Jersey Pine Barrens. Just as an example.

[whistling innocently]

101 Ben Hur  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:04:54pm

Jesse was thrown under the bus (again) today.

102 subsailor68  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:05:03pm

re: #90 Occasional Reader

Okay, your reference to weasels forced me to this:

British joke (they love weasel jokes)

Two weasels are sitting at the bar. One weasel turns to the other and says "I'm sleeping with your mother."

Other weasel ignores him.

First weasel says "Didn't hear what I said? I'm sleeping with your mother."

Other weasel ignores him.

First weasel says "I said I'm sleeping with your mother. What do you think about that?"

Other weasel says, "I think you're drunk Dad. Go home."

(sorry)

103 Outrider  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:05:05pm

re: #63 redstateredneck

I assume the article was written by this Thomas Frank?

He would certainly be an impartial observer.

You're quick. Didn't intend to duplicate your post. ;-)>

104 lostlakehiker  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:05:15pm

The problem is the things Ayers has done since he moved on from outright terrorism in favor of a Long March through the school system. Ayers and Obama worked in harness to radicalize Chicago school children.

The Chicago school `reform' they worked together on achieved nothing whatever in terms of improved test scores. As it became evident over time that it never would, they were undiscouraged. After all, that was never the point.

It DOES tell us something that Obama saw fit to work with Ayers on Ayers' education projects. As to guilt by association for Chicago at large, there isn't a chance in the world that the city would have voted Ayers any sort of honor in a referendum. The city's leadership bears the responsibility.

105 addison  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:05:37pm

The Marxist Thomas Frank (author of What's Wrong with Kansas?) pens a paean about the Communist Bill Ayers. And I, or anyone else, should be moved by this writing for what reason?

His apologia is rife with the same kind of logic holes as his acclaimed book--acclaimed, that is, by the sort of people who say "Flyover Country" with a sneer.

106 cblesz  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:05:43pm

re: #101 Ben Hur

Jesse was thrown under the bus (again) today.

Until he makes him Secretary of State...

107 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:05:55pm

re: #99 cblesz

I sent this clown an email last night telling him how pathetic he was. I said that I guess if Osama Bin Laden decided to get his teaching credentials and become a professor at Amherst College, it would make him a good guy and all would be forgotten...

Being a professor at a major university these days means absolutely nothing.

In fact, it's often a sign of deviance and mental deficiency.

I was once one, and left out of disgust; so believe me, I know.

108 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:05:57pm

re: #100 Occasional Reader

Au contraire. I'm sure any good troop of Eagle Scouts would be delighted to host Mr. Ayers in the woods for a weekend.

Say, the New Jersey Pine Barrens. Just as an example.

[whistling innocently]

Being an Eagle Scout myself, yes, I would.

109 Syrah  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:05:59pm

Thomas Frank, author of "What's the mater with Kansas?"

Hmmm . . .

I think that Thomas Frank's apologia for William Ayers' explains more about the character of Thomas Frank than it does about the character of William Ayres.

110 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:06:03pm

re: #96 Ben Hur

La Pequeña Sarah Palin


It was inevitable.

I guess.

I need your home phone number now, Ben.

So that when I wake up screaming tonight at 3 a.m., I'll have someone to call.

111 yma o hyd  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:06:06pm

re: #50 subsailor68

As a reference, here are links to Thomas Frank's entry in Wiki, and to his home page:

Wiki Entry

Thomas Frank's Home Page

Enjoy.

//

Aha!
Nuff said, really ... quite self-explanatory.

Thanks for the links.

112 Palandine  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:06:20pm
His 2001 memoir is shot through with regret,...

I must have missed it. There's too much good literature out there to read; I never got around to reading the "memoir" of a domestic terrorist. I also haven't read the Unabomber manifesto or any of Tim McVeigh's writings...

113 jcm  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:06:22pm

re: #99 cblesz

I sent this clown an email last night telling him how pathetic he was. I said that I guess if Osama Bin Laden decided to get his teaching credentials and become a professor at Amherst College, it would make him a good guy and all would be forgotten...

Doesn't matter to the Reds, a few eggs for the greater good.

114 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:06:26pm

re: #101 Ben Hur

Jesse was thrown under the bus (again) today.

Maybe this time he won't crawl back out and spew more antisemitic crap.

115 cblesz  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:06:58pm

re: #107 erisldysnomia

Being a professor at a major university these days means absolutely nothing.

In fact, it's often a sign of deviance and mental deficiency.

I was once one, and left out of disgust; so believe me, I know.


Anyone see that retard from Hofstra last night on O'Reilly? Dear God, these are the morons that are educating our children...makes me angry and sad.

116 Throbert McGee  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:07:20pm

Actually, pace Witch Doctor's #5, this is the most disingenuous part:

its greatest attack against a man ... who cannot or will not defend himself

We are invited to imagine that Ayers "cannot" defend himself against this massively coordinated right-wing attack because he is but a simple rustic whose faculties have deteriorated with the graying of his hair; or that he "will not" because he prefers to turn the other cheek, in imitation of Our Lord's humility and meekness.

The reality, of course, is that Ayers cannot defend the Weather Underground's "antics" because they defy reason; and he will not because he's personally not one jot repentant.

117 Ben Hur  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:07:26pm

re: #114 Intrepid

Maybe this time he won't crawl back out and spew more antisemitic crap.

He was telling the truth IMO.

118 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:07:33pm

re: #112 Palandine

I must have missed it. There's too much good literature out there to read; I never got around to reading the "memoir" of a domestic terrorist. I also haven't read the Unabomber manifesto or any of Tim McVeigh's writings...

Fortunately, McVeigh got the needle, so we don't have to put up with him.

119 Desert Dog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:07:43pm

re: #112 Palandine

I must have missed it. There's too much good literature out there to read; I never got around to reading the "memoir" of a domestic terrorist. I also haven't read the Unabomber manifesto or any of Tim McVeigh's writings...

Yes, he regrets he did not do more

120 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:07:44pm

re: #108 MrSilverDragon

Being an Eagle Scout myself, yes, I would.

"Leave the Merit Badge; take the cannoli."

121 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:07:46pm

re: #108 MrSilverDragon

Being an Eagle Scout myself, yes, I would.

We'll leave him to you then...

122 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:08:01pm

re: #19 mean Gene

Hitler was a wonderful dancer, or so I'm told.
And Mussolini got the trains running on time.
I mean who is ALL bad all the time?

This creep.

123 yma o hyd  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:08:07pm

re: #55 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ayers has switched from the militant to the political wing ala Hezzballah.

Good point!

He's now got the Obama Youth as foot-soldiers, no need to throw Molotov Cocktails himself any more ...

124 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:08:30pm

re: #112 Palandine

His 2001 memoir is shot through with regret,...

Yep, regret that he didn't plant more bombs and kill or maim more Americans.

125 WrathofG-d  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:08:35pm

re: #117 Ben Hur

He was telling the truth IMO.

Exactly. I actually believe Jesse in this case. His sin was not lying but, instead not being savy enough to keep his mouth closed.

You also have to question the environment where he thought that these comments would HELP Obama. This might be the real story here for those of us who support Israel.

126 jcm  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:09:05pm

re: #122 MandyManners

This creep.

The MM diet, I just lost my appetite for 24 hours.... at least.

127 Palandine  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:09:17pm

re: #118 Ward Cleaver

Fortunately, McVeigh got the needle, so we don't have to put up with him.

And Ted K. is experiencing the living death of a Supermax prison. Sometimes justice works.

128 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:09:18pm

re: #125 WrathofG-d

Exactly. I actually believe Jesse in this case. His sin was not lying but, instead not being savy enough to keep his mouth closed.

You also have to question the environment where he thought that these comments would HELP Obama. This might be the real story here for those of us who support Israel.

"Ambassador to Israel Jesse Jackson"

129 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:09:20pm

re: #110 Occasional Reader

I need your home phone number now, Ben.

So that when I wake up screaming tonight at 3 a.m., I'll have someone to call.

Call BHO! He's waiting.

130 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:09:27pm

re: #123 yma o hyd

Good point!

He's now got the Obama Youth as foot-soldiers, no need to throw Molotov Cocktails himself any more ...

Exactly, yma...the goals are the same, just the method has changed.

131 Rednek  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:09:45pm

re: #94 erisldysnomia

... Obamessiah threw Ayers under the bus today, by the way...

Stating that you "won't include [a terrorist] in your administration" is reminiscent of another line:

"I absolutely don't beat my wife."

and:
"I am not a crook"

132 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:09:56pm

re: #118 Ward Cleaver

Fortunately, McVeigh got the needle, so we don't have to put up with him.

I was somewhat disturbed to learn that his last meal request was a quart of Chocolate Chip Mint ice cream.

Which is, hands down, my favorite flavor.

133 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:09:57pm

re: #126 jcm

The MM diet, I just lost my appetite for 24 hours.... at least.

I endeavor to render satisfaction!

134 loppyd  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:09:59pm

re: #71 Ben Hur

She was boo-ed.

It was expected.

Keep the case as my gift to you for your wedding.

Wasn't the bet that there would be more cheers than boos?

LOL

Thanks for the wedding gift. The BF will be thrilled!

135 WrathofG-d  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:10:20pm

re: #128 Ward Cleaver

No. My guess is that Obama will pick a Israel hating Jew for that job.

136 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:10:26pm

re: #117 Ben Hur

He was telling the truth IMO.

And yet, a vast number of the Jewish community still will vote for Obama.

/can't understand it, I just can't!

137 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:10:26pm

re: #51 Occasional Reader

Weaselly, double-talk bullshit.

Excellent use of the 'weaselly'...

138 bill-tb  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:10:33pm

I wonder why we never see fawning pieces written by friends of Timothy McVeigh?

139 jcbunga  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:10:58pm

The tone this guy takes sets a new mark for human pretzel twisting. Apparently (I love when the whackos use 'apparently') it's simple too difficult to call the jackass a terrorist and move on. I'll show him how easy it is: Bill Ayers is a dried up hippie terrorist who would have gotten the gas chamber not long ago assuming the arresting officers didn't have an oops on the way to jail. Instead, he's an elite we can only hope to sometime understand.

140 Kenneth  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:11:31pm

re: #93 jcm

Ayers and his fellow travelers can piss up hang from a rope.

Fixed that for you.

141 Inquisitive  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:11:33pm

OT--don't know if anyone has posted this today....but just checked voting on congress.org------go vote if you have not...... McCain is ahead.....
Results (20,297 votes)
4.2% Chuck Baldwin (Constitution Party)
2.4% Bob Barr (Libertarian)
47.2% John McCain(Republican)
.4% Cynthia McKinney (Green Party)
1.3% Ralph Nader (Independent)
41.3% Barack Obama(Democrat)
1.2% Someone Else
1.4% I am Undecided
.5% None of the Above - I'm Leaving it Blank
[Link: www.congress.org...]

142 hazzyday  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:11:43pm

Sen Obama still has a need to be an ally of Ayers. Else he would be under the bus by now. Ayers will be a beneficiary of any Obama public office. Much of it will now be hidden through organizational means.

143 loppyd  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:11:57pm

OK, Lizard Nation.

I'm off to see Sarah Palin. I'll take lots of pics - look for me on TV.

LOL

144 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:12:07pm

re: #55 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ayers has switched from the militant to the political wing ala Hezzballah.

This is a point younger people are missing. The argument against Ayers need to be framed in a political context to have greater meaning.

The Weather Underground's Prairie Fire Statement...Thirty Years On

Prairie Fire represented something of a shift in strategy for the WUO, but one that had been developing since their December 1971 communiqué New Morning, Changing Weather. While that statement recognized the need for an underground army not to isolate itself from the masses, it was criticized for minimalizing the role of armed actions. Prairie Fire attempted to reconcile this apparent dichotomy by repeatedly emphasizing the importance of mass revolutionary organizing, yet describing Weather as an underground organization.

145 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:12:08pm

re: #133 MandyManners

I endeavor to render satisfaction!

Yeah, we've heard that about you, Mandy.

heh (ducks)

146 redstateredneck  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:12:16pm

re: #103 Outrider

You're quick. Didn't intend to duplicate your post. ;-)>

We're cool.
:-)

147 bosforus  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:12:27pm

are we making a list of drinking game words for tonight?

148 krycek  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:12:44pm

re: #115 cblesz

Anyone see that retard from Hofstra last night on O'Reilly? Dear God, these are the morons that are educating our children...makes me angry and sad.

Yep. That's why we can't let these nut jobs and their useful idiots in the MSM define what are the issues and what are the distractions.

149 cblesz  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:12:45pm

re: #142 hazzyday

Sen Obama still has a need to be an ally of Ayers. Else he would be under the bus by now. Ayers will be a beneficiary of any Obama public office. Much of it will now be hidden through organizational means.

Um, Secretary of Education?

150 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:12:52pm
His 2001 memoir is shot through with regret, but it lacks the abject style our culture prefers.

Yes- he does indeed seem shot through with regret in this article. Apparently he didn't regret setting off enough bombs.

151 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:13:26pm

re: #147 bosforus

are we making a list of drinking game words for tonight?

I think a shot for every time Obama stutters will do just fine.

152 bosforus  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:13:58pm

re: #151 MrSilverDragon

I think a shot for every time Obama stutters will do just fine.

Just curious. I don't drink. My word's promise.

153 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:14:35pm

Anti semite wackjob launched Obama as Muslim smears. Oh, and he's a Democrat (but has attempted to register as a GOP under a different name but thwarted when GOP officials looked deeper).

154 Last Mohican  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:15:32pm

I read Thomas Frank's brief defense of Ayers and Obama in its entirety. I'm open to considering all viewpoints. And it seemed as though Frank might have composed a thoughtful, convincing argument that could be genuinely persuasive.

I was wrong. What a disgusting load of utter bullshit.

155 Throbert McGee  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:15:33pm
a man who poses no conceivable threat to the country

Uh-huh. Much as a jihad cell that has the capacity to produce one or two small car bombs, but zero chance of ever obtaining WMDs, can be said to "pose no conceivable threat to the country" -- merely a threat to people who happen to be within a few dozen meters of the car bombs.

156 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:15:33pm

re: #115 cblesz

Anyone see that retard from Hofstra last night on O'Reilly? Dear God, these are the morons that are educating our children...makes me angry and sad.

Stay away for large universities altogether, and stay away from universities where nontraditional "studies departments" (gender studies, diverity studies, feminist studies, etc.) exist.

Also, stay away from any school that has appeared on TheFire.org. Noindoctrination.org and/or Campus-watch.org.

157 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:15:36pm

re: #150 Fenway_Nation

Yes- he does indeed seem shot through with regret in this article. Apparently he didn't regret setting off enough bombs.

Ironically published Spetember 11, 2001 in the NYT.

158 Desert Dog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:15:51pm

re: #147 bosforus

are we making a list of drinking game words for tonight?

Just take a shot every time he lies....you'll be drunk as a skunk during his opening remarks! Being extremely inebriated might be the only way to handle this debate tonight.

159 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:16:02pm

re: #153 lawhawk

but has attempted to register as a GOP under a different name but thwarted when GOP officials looked deeper

You mean GOP officials actually inquire about the validity of those registering?

How... quaint.

160 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:16:06pm
161 jcm  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:16:11pm

re: #140 Kenneth

Fixed that for you.

I was trying to curb my ire. But Ayers is guilty by admission of Capitol Crimes. BHO's principles are not just left on on our political spectrum, they are antithetical to the principals of our Republic.

162 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:16:25pm

"Thomas Frank was born and raised in Kansas City. He graduated from Shawnee Mission East High School in Prairie Village, Kansas (1983), and from the University of Virginia (1987)"....This is the same stooge who wrote "Whats wrong with Kansas". He now craps on on the state and region that gave him succor. Any further comment would be deleted.

163 willowone  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:16:42pm

re: #150 Fenway_Nation

yes mr. eaglescout-ish

So, would Mr. Ayers do it all again, he is asked? ''I don't want to discount the possibility,'' he wouldn't want to discount the possibility,'' he said.

sounds reformed to me.

164 joecitizen  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:16:42pm

re: #138 bill-tb

I wonder why we never see fawning pieces written by friends of Timothy McVeigh?

the hack Gore Vidal has written at least one apologia..

165 WrathofG-d  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:17:04pm

re: #136 Intrepid

I'm getting very frustrated here.

Ok, how about this for an explanation. (albeit a simple one). NOT ALL JEWS SUPPORT ISRAEL, NOR CONSIDER ISRAEL AS A HIGH PRIORITY WHEN VOTING.

Israel is not a JEW issue!

166 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:17:05pm

re: #148 krycek

Yep. That's why we can't let these nut jobs and their useful idiots in the MSM define what are the issues and what are the distractions.

... and what are the stories to simply be boycotted.

Like the "it's all about me, see?" can't-keep-it-in-his-pants gigolo in Florida.

Just sayin'

167 bosforus  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:17:28pm

re: #158 Desert Dog

Just take a shot every time he lies....you'll be drunk as a skunk during his opening remarks! Being extremely inebriated might be the only way to handle this debate tonight.

Maybe I'll just make a bingo card.

168 hazzyday  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:17:42pm

OT: Michelle Malkin displays the evidence of organized student voter fraud in Ohio. With pics and addresses used to commit the fraudulent voting. And at least one of these dimwits is a Rhodes scholar.

169 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:18:01pm

"The McCain campaign ....has chosen to mount its greatest attack against a man who poses no conceivable threat to the country"
Barack Obama wasted $50 million of OTHER PEOPLES MONEY on socialist educational programs working with Ayers!
Americans lost substantial amounts of their 401K investments because of socialist engineering/sub-prime financial shenanigans.

No threat? BULLSHIT!

NObama!
NoSocialistEngineering!

170 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:18:32pm

re: #157 Honorary Yooper

Ironically published Spetember 11, 2001 in the NYT.

Yep. Three cheers for life's little ironies.

"Looks like we picked the wrong day to offer apologetics for terrorism", declared NYT editor Lloyd Bridges, before snorting a huff of airplane glue.

171 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:18:55pm

re: #165 WrathofG-d

I'm getting very frustrated here.

Ok, how about this for an explanation. (albeit a simple one). NOT ALL JEWS SUPPORT ISRAEL, NOR CONSIDER ISRAEL AS A HIGH PRIORITY WHEN VOTING.

Israel is not a JEW issue!

I'm sorry - I didn't mean to offend you.

172 HDrepub  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:19:01pm

Let's see here, Barack "Nomiddlename" Obama, due to his association with dubious characters such as William Ayers and his Weather Underground wife, Bernardine Dohrn, to name a couple, couldn't pass a background check by the FBI for a military security clearance, but he wants to be our Commander-in-Chief.
Hmmmmm.

Anyone who says associations mean nothing has never had an FBI background check.

173 jcm  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:19:09pm

re: #154 Last Mohican

I read Thomas Frank's brief defense of Ayers and Obama in its entirety. I'm open to considering all viewpoints. And it seemed as though Frank might have composed a thoughtful, convincing argument that could be genuinely persuasive.

I was wrong. What a disgusting load of utter bullshit.

I didn't bother..... Justification of arson, attempted murder, murder, bombings. terrorism, and treason is not worthy of consideration just utter repudiation and condemnation.

174 Scion9  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:19:21pm

I would paraphrase this WSJ article thus...
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!

175 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:20:04pm

re: #153 lawhawk

Anti semite wackjob launched Obama as Muslim smears. Oh, and he's a Democrat (but has attempted to register as a GOP under a different name but thwarted when GOP officials looked deeper).

Why am I not surprised to read that he was involved in a child custody battle?

176 VioletTiger  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:20:13pm

re: #147 bosforus

how about ...95% of you will get a tax cut....
Can we drink and laugh at the same time?

177 akak  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:20:17pm

re: #138 bill-tb

I wonder why we never see fawning pieces written by friends of Timothy McVeigh?

PLO nah.

178 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:20:35pm

re: #163 willowone

''I don't want to discount the possibility,'' he wouldn't want to discount the possibility,'' he said.

Remember, the guy is simply a terrorist who got off the hook on a technicality of the US justice system.

If he'd done that in one of his paradises, say, the Arab world or Cuba, he'd have been summarily beheaded or defenstrated after a little torture.

179 bosforus  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:20:53pm

re: #176 VioletTiger

how about ...95% of you will get a tax cut....
Can we drink and laugh at the same time?

Planetarium

180 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:20:59pm

re: #160 taxfreekiller

It is I, the big O hole, :change your hope!

Lasciate ogni "Speranza!", voi ch'intrate

(Motto to be placed over the front door to the Obama White House)

181 jcm  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:21:13pm

re: #172 HDrepub

Let's see here, Barack "Nomiddlename" Obama, due to his association with dubious characters such as William Ayers and his Weather Underground wife, Bernardine Dohrn, to name a couple, couldn't pass a background check by the FBI for a military security clearance, but he wants to be our Commander-in-Chief.
Hmmmmm.

Anyone who says associations mean nothing has never had an FBI background check.

Try getting a TS/SAP/SAR clearance in 1978 having lived as an American citizen child and teen in Iran for 10 years.

182 subsailor68  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:21:23pm

re: #168 hazzyday

Thanks for that link! Notice this paragraph?:

“Want to turn the Presidential election blue in a key swing state? Vote from Home is a political organization that was founded by a team of young people for the purpose of assisting, aiding, and tracking voters to elect progressive candidates to the White House. Encouraged by the excitement of the 2008 elections and the movement around the Democratic candidates, Vote From Home will be in Ohio seeking to deliver 10,000 votes to Democratic candidates statewide.”

(My bold.) Note that it doesn't say anything about being an Ohio resident, but simply that they'll BE IN Ohio. Sick.

183 yma o hyd  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:21:46pm

re: #130 scottishbuzzsaw

Exactly, yma...the goals are the same, just the method has changed.

Methods have changed only slightly: its still, so far, the smiling face which is shown to the people.
Once they're in - that smile will vanish in no time.

184 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:21:46pm

I am not surprised Ayers cannot defend himself.

What he did was indefensible.

185 WrathofG-d  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:21:53pm

re: #171 Intrepid

Its not you. I'm just getting tired of people conflating Jew with Israel. There are many reasons why Israel would be an important issue to a Jewish person, but just as many as it would be to a non-Jewish person.

The support of Israel is not simply a Jewish issue....it is an American issue! The U.S. does not support Israel because it is in the Jews' interest but instead because it is in the American interest. Thus, the question should no longer be "how can any Jew support someone who is Anti-Israel" but instead, "how could any American who cherishes our security, and our values support someone who is Anti-Israel"

186 nikis-knight  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:22:20pm

BS

Ayers does much, much harm as an education professor, probabaly more than as an incompetent terrorist. This is Gramscian: infiltrating America's social institutions and turning them against us. Starting with higher education, and working it's way down through the teachers Ayers influences and the groups he and Barak funded.
Furthermore, this socialism undermining America's will to resist terrorist is a fundamental issue, regardless of whether or not Tom Brokow or the WSJ dein to mention it. It is the only reason that we could lose the War on Terror, or any war, and it is exactly why Ayers has taken this tactic. Ayers is not a former radical. He is a current radical who used to try to kill people, then found more effective tactics, or perhaps just lost his nerve after his close encounter with prison.
Beyond the impact Ayers and those like him, followers of the Frankfurt school, have, there is a profound issue regarding Barak Obama's judgement and integrity. He has ZERO accomplishments to run on, his ideas and NOTHING new, and his rhetoric is EMPTY. So we are left with his character to judge him by, character which his present votes has inentionally obscured. Who he associates with (crooks, racists, and wanna-be killers) and how he explains such (a pattern of justification, lies, and finally transparent claims of ignorance) go very VERY far in filling in that empty suit.
If the American public, and I guess the WSJ, care enough to examine them. I guess it just feels so good to be swept away in the illusion, though.

187 jcm  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:22:22pm

re: #180 Occasional Reader

Lasciate ogni "Speranza!", voi ch'intrate

(Motto to be placed over the front door to the Obama White House)

Maybe even our port of entry..........

188 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:22:32pm
His 2001 memoir is shot through with regret

I could say what I'd like to see Ayers shot through with, but I'd get deleted.

189 mama winger  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:23:11pm

re: #115 cblesz

Sorry, but I had to ding you down for that comment. Not for the point itself, but for the word you chose with which to make it.

190 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:23:21pm

re: #172 HDrepub

Let's see here, Barack "Nomiddlename" Obama

Hey, can't call him by his full name because it's racist, can't call him "that one" because it's racist.

Maybe we should call him "Todd" (as in the nameless Atlantis Wraith).

191 FlakMusic  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:23:21pm

re: #18 ploome hineni

indoctrinating our children to undermine our society and country make his a greater threat than domestic bombers

look at how he slips in this red herring

Exactly. What makes Ayers and irresistible target isn't his "unwillingness" to defend himself, it's his unrelenting effort to undermine US education in the name of replacing capitalism with his neo-Marxist version of "democratic" reform.

192 nikis-knight  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:23:33pm

re: #186 nikis-knight

PIMF: ideas are nothing new

193 Dave the.....  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:24:17pm

The US still deports Nazi death camp guards. Sometimes time doesn't make it all better.

194 cblesz  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:24:29pm

re: #189 mama winger

Sorry, but I had to ding you down for that comment. Not for the point itself, but for the word you chose with which to make it.

Sorry...sometimes my emotions get the best of me and I don't think before typing...

195 mama winger  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:24:47pm

re: #188 Occasional Reader

I could say what I'd like to see Ayers shot through with, but I'd get deleted.

Hmmmmm.... shot through .......

How's your new gun ?

196 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:24:54pm

re: #190 erisldysnomia

Hey, can't call him by his full name because it's racist, can't call him "that one" because it's racist.

Maybe we should call him "Todd" (as in the nameless Atlantis Wraith).

Well, he'd suck the life force out of the economy, the way the Wraiths do with people.

197 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:25:01pm

re: #188 Occasional Reader

I could say what I'd like to see Ayers shot through with, but I'd get deleted.

How about one of these?

198 Catttt  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:25:07pm

I wonder how the families and friends of Sergeant Brian McDonnell, Officer Waverly Brown, and Sergeant Edward O'Grady would feel about this....

Honoring the Cops the Weather Underground Killed.

199 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:25:10pm

Obama:
Wow, look at all the millions of folks excusing my actions.. excusing me for associating, palling around with an unrepentant terrorists, a bomber who bombed federal building and police stations. Ain't this something? This is some country.. this America. Not only do they excuse me.. they're gonna elect me their leader. Wow!

200 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:25:26pm
Fire up Hurricane Katrina and point it toward Lake Michigan!

The author apparently also suffers from BDS, given this statement of Rovian weather-control machine conspiracy theory.

201 mama winger  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:25:40pm

re: #194 cblesz

No problem - personal crusade of mine :)

202 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:25:44pm

re: #186 nikis-knight

This is Gramscian: infiltrating America's social institutions and turning them against us.

This is why I lament those who think this "cultural war" can be fought using gentlemanly methods. You cannot fight subversion that way.

203 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:25:44pm

re: #162 MrPaulRevere

"Thomas Frank was born and raised in Kansas City. He graduated from Shawnee Mission East High School in Prairie Village, Kansas (1983), and from the University of Virginia (1987)"....This is the same stooge who wrote "Whats wrong with Kansas". He now craps on on the state and region that gave him succor. Any further comment would be deleted.

Another 40-something dimwit who's ignorant of history.

Not to besmirch 40-somethings, since I am one, but they tend to be a bit too mostaligic for these 60s relics.

They act like this guy is a neighborhood handyman looking to make reparations for his past. They don't realize they're being useful idiots.

204 yma o hyd  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:26:07pm

re: #142 hazzyday

Sen Obama still has a need to be an ally of Ayers. Else he would be under the bus by now. Ayers will be a beneficiary of any Obama public office. Much of it will now be hidden through organizational means.

That - or Ayers has him so tighly by the short and curlies that B0 cannot get out of his clutches. Thats what I'd go for, assuming that it was ayers who groomed him.
That assumption doesn't seem to be as far-fetched as it was even four weeks ago.

205 JacksonTn  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:26:11pm

re: #184 OldLineTexan

I am not surprised Ayers cannot defend himself.

What he did was indefensible.

Bill Ayers ...... is nothing more than a pathetic coward ......Are we really surprised about the these anti-American types in the media and teaching in colleges ........ they are the same people who got out of the draft on deferments ......they are trying to justify being cowards ........ now they want to run our military? F*K them ....... if Obama wins ......our troops are suppose to salute him and his pals? ...... my father did not fight for this country to turn it over to the likes of Obama and Ayers ......... they do not know what they are unleashing in this country ....... there are many people who think the same way I do ........... Obama will go after the 2nd amendment .......

206 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:26:20pm

Has anyone seen this on Drudge?

OBAMA CAMPAIGN ISSUES TALKING POINTS TO MEDIA AHEAD OF DEBATE

A couple of the points:


* Just this weekend the weekend, John McCain vowed to "whip Obama's you-know-what" at the debate, and he's indicated that he'll be bringing up Bill Ayers to try to distract voters.

* So we know that Senator McCain will come ready to attack Barack Obama and bring his dishonorable campaign tactics to the debate stage.

* That's why Barack Obama is introducing a comprehensive four-part Rescue Plan for the Middle Class - to immediately to stabilize our financial system, provide relief to families and communities, and help struggling homeowners.

So, Obama thinks that informing people about Bill Ayers and Obama's association with Ayers is a ploy to "distract" voters.

And McCain's campaign tactics are "dishonorable". This, after a week during which McCain spoke of his respect for Obama?

And where exactly is Obama introducing is Rescue Plan for the Middle Class, and how will it immediately stablize our financial system?

207 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:26:28pm

re: #140 Kenneth

Fixed that for you.

w00t

208 TaeJohnDo  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:26:34pm

But we have to apologize for slavery and pay repartations even though none of us were around when it occurred.

209 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:26:52pm

re: #147 bosforus

are we making a list of drinking game words for tonight?

Every time BHO lies.

210 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:26:55pm

re: #190 erisldysnomia

Maybe we should call him "Todd" (as in the nameless Atlantis Wraith).

Nope. Wraiths are white (very, very white). Associating Obama with anyone evil and white is, apparently, racist. See Ayers, William.

211 Desert Dog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:26:55pm

"Yes, it's true I hang around with shady and extremist people. And, yes, I did work with a known and unapologetic but acquitted murderer. And, yes I did go to a church that claims my race is the only good one and every other race is subhuman. And, it is true that the pastor of this church, who baptized my children and officiated at my wedding, hates America and all it stands for. And, yes, I did get a favorable loan from a soon to be convicted mobster....."

BUT, what does that have to do with ME?

That is the "gist" of what Obama is telling us. And, apparently there are many people in this country that buys that type of reasoning. Heaven helps us all.....

212 hazzyday  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:26:55pm

re: #165 WrathofG-d

I'm getting very frustrated here.

Ok, how about this for an explanation. (albeit a simple one). NOT ALL JEWS SUPPORT ISRAEL, NOR CONSIDER ISRAEL AS A HIGH PRIORITY WHEN VOTING.

Israel is not a JEW issue!

Why get frustrated? For me it is a Jewish issue. Always has been. Always will be. They just happen to be one of our best allies in the world. I place a special value on the country of Israel. Never visited, but I do want it to remain a Jewish state. I have nothing but admiration for Israel. Some of the politics and ultra orthodox folks I don't care for so much. The phenomenon of "Self hating Jews" is a puzzling one. I think most of them are comedians.

213 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:26:58pm

re: #157 Honorary Yooper

It gets even better, Yooper.

Ayers had a Foster red diaper baby kid named Chesa Boudin. Boudin's parents were Weather Underground fugitives who took part in a deadly 1981 Brinks armoured truck robbery that left a Brinks guard and two Nyack policemen dead. Ayers took it upon himself to raise Chesa once the law caught up with his parents.

Fast forward to 2001, the same day the article I linked to is written, one of the surviving guards from the Nyack robbery is killed in the WTC attacks.

Barely a year after the 9/11 attacks, Ayers' Foster brat is awarded a Rhodes scholarship and the NYT goes ga-ga over him with nary a mention of Nyack police officers Waverly Brown, Ed O'Grady or Brinks guard Peter Paige.

214 willowone  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:26:58pm

[Link: www.puma08.com...]

Pumas to GOP

How dare you back down, how dare you give up on John McCain and Sarah Palin? Right now they are the only two people in the world standing between the America we love and cherish and a society remade in the image of Barack Obama. Obama is a man whose political ideology is more in line with that of Daniel Arap Moi, a founding father of Kenya who thrived on the cult of personality, than it is in line with that of our founding father, George Washington, a man who put it all on the line so that our country would truly be greater than any one man.

Is it going to be hard to do this, but you must fight. You must stop griping, complaining and talking about how the deck is stacked against your candidate and your party, yes, life isn’t fair, but it has never been. Instead get in the trenches to fight for McCain/Palin. There must be no retreat, there must be no surrender, till it is midnight in Hawaii and the election is over in all parts of the United States, the election is not over

215 mama winger  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:27:09pm

re: #204 yma o hyd

That - or Ayers has him so tighly by the short and curlies that B0 cannot get out of his clutches. Thats what I'd go for, assuming that it was ayers who groomed him.
That assumption doesn't seem to be as far-fetched as it was even four weeks ago.

I agree. Ayers is a point of origin.

216 jcm  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:27:30pm

re: #184 OldLineTexan

I am not surprised Ayers cannot defend himself.

What he did was indefensible.

He doesn't.....

''I feel we didn't do enough.''


''Everything was absolutely ideal on the day I bombed the Pentagon,''


...would Mr. Ayers do it all again, he is asked? ''I don't want to discount the possibility,'' he said.


''I don't think you can understand a single thing we did without understanding the violence of the Vietnam War,'


''I didn't kill innocent people.''


He describes the typical safe house: there were usually books by Malcolm X and Ho Chi Minh, and Che Guevara's picture in the bedroom;
217 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:27:52pm

Check out this crap from our so-called "scientific guardians of the public health."

218 mama winger  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:28:10pm

re: #209 MandyManners

Every time BHO lies.

I better buy four more bottles of Svedka.

219 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:28:12pm

re: #195 mama winger

Hmmmmm.... shot through .......

How's your new gun ?

I don't actually have it yet; had to be ordered. With a little luck, Santa will bring it in time for Christmas. I think I've been good, I deserve it!

220 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:28:13pm

re: #208 TaeJohnDo

FIRST post ever. And that's what you post?

221 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:28:32pm

re: #200 OldLineTexan

The author apparently also suffers from BDS, given this statement of Rovian weather-control machine conspiracy theory.

Speaking of which, I'd love it if Rove can get his weather machine to dump several inches of snow on Chicago on November 4th.

222 subsailor68  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:28:33pm

re: #209 MandyManners

Are the words limited to those heard in the debate? If not, my choice is bull$$$t. I'm betting that word will be uttered over and over again - all around the country.

223 Desert Dog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:30:13pm

re: #220 unrealizedviewpoint

FIRST post ever. And that's what you post?

Well, shoot, he's convinced me....where do I send the money and to whom should I apologize too?

224 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:30:21pm

re: #197 MrSilverDragon

How about one of these?

Excellent! The Agonizer! Very "Mirror, Mirror", I like it!

225 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:30:29pm

Hey Obama, how about Amiri "Somebody Blew Up America" Baraka for Secretary of Culture?

226 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:30:38pm

re: #210 Occasional Reader

Nope. Wraiths are white (very, very white). Associating Obama with anyone evil and white is, apparently, racist. See Ayers, William.

OK, how does associating Obama with Apophis sound?

227 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:30:41pm

What's clear from reading this article is that although many Lefties are willing to condemn Ayers for having used terrorism, none - Obama included - come close to condemning Ayers for his radical beliefs....Indeed, people like Thomas Frank (and probably Obama as well) share Ayers views.

228 jcm  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:30:43pm

re: #220 unrealizedviewpoint

FIRST post ever. And that's what you post?

Somebody's not funny sock. Dormant for a year.

229 hazzyday  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:30:43pm

re: #208 TaeJohnDo

But we have to apologize for slavery and pay repartations even though none of us were around when it occurred.

You could pay reparations til you were penniless and you would still be a racist in the terms and views that Sen Obama works around. You would still be the oppressor. He would still be the oppressed. You would still owe him. Sort of a reverse slavery. Could be perceived as karmic, even though the invention of slavery was Afrocentric out of the cradle of civilizations. That is if ones considers Egypt and Afrocentric part of Africa.

230 Kenneth  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:30:50pm

re: #207 MandyManners

w00t

Thanks, I always appreciate your w00ts.

231 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:30:57pm

re: #214 willowone

[Link: www.puma08.com...]

Pumas to GOP

How dare you back down, how dare you give up on John McCain and Sarah Palin? Right now they are the only two people in the world standing between the America we love and cherish and a society remade in the image of Barack Obama. Obama is a man whose political ideology is more in line with that of Daniel Arap Moi, a founding father of Kenya who thrived on the cult of personality, than it is in line with that of our founding father, George Washington, a man who put it all on the line so that our country would truly be greater than any one man.

Is it going to be hard to do this, but you must fight. You must stop griping, complaining and talking about how the deck is stacked against your candidate and your party, yes, life isn’t fair, but it has never been. Instead get in the trenches to fight for McCain/Palin. There must be no retreat, there must be no surrender, till it is midnight in Hawaii and the election is over in all parts of the United States, the election is not over

Thanks for the link, willowone...and Go PUMAs!

232 abolitionist  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:31:04pm

Read that yesterday. What a whitewash.

Dohrn and Ayers are now respectable, heavy into education (pre-K thru 12 and up), philanthropy, community and quasi judicial work.

But as recently as 2001, 2004, 2007, they insist they don't regret anything about their SDS/Weatherman/Weather Underground days.

"We are still in a state of war; It's not over." -Dohrn/Ayers, 2004

"...in the belly of the beast." -Dohrn, 2007

I believe their goal has not changed one iota in recent decades.

Ayers title in those bad old days? Secretary of Education.

233 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:31:05pm

re: #132 Occasional Reader

I was somewhat disturbed to learn that his last meal request was a quart of Chocolate Chip Mint ice cream.

Which is, hands down, my favorite flavor.

Mine, too.

/no kidding

234 mama winger  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:31:36pm

On the one hand we have a man who aligns himself with people who devised dirty bombs to blow up government buildings and US soldiers.

On the other hand we have a woman who buys diapers at Walmart for her Down's Syndrome baby whom she looks upon as a gift from God.

I can't make up my mind which one to vote for.

235 bosforus  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:31:44pm

re: #220 unrealizedviewpoint

FIRST post ever. And that's what you post?

You're going to scare him away.

236 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:32:04pm
237 willowone  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:32:51pm

re: #231 scottishbuzzsaw

The are very political, great researchers, I am glad they are with us this election.

as i've said before, One night stands don't have to be a Bad thing!

238 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:32:52pm

Communist sympathizers on campus, watch your offspring get liberalized and see where your money is going.

239 Desert Dog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:33:06pm

re: #236 taxfreekiller

#168

that there is some serious shit.

That, as the Captain of the Titanic once said, "was only the tip of the iceberg"

240 nikis-knight  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:33:08pm

re: #220 unrealizedviewpoint

I think he meant it as sarcastic.
(and Charles, I seem to be oddly unable to post if I use the blockquote function. It keeps checking indefinately.)

241 bosforus  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:33:18pm

re: #236 taxfreekiller

#168

that there is some serious shit.

I'm tellin' ya. Prison terms for voter fraud.

242 mama winger  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:33:20pm

re: #220 unrealizedviewpoint

FIRST post ever. And that's what you post?

I took it as sarcasm. Was it meant seriously?

243 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:33:22pm

re: #236 taxfreekiller

Its OK, after all they are just trying to make the world a better place /

244 jorline  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:33:23pm

re: #234 mama winger

On the one hand we have a man who aligns himself with people who devised dirty bombs to blow up government buildings and US soldiers.

On the other hand we have a woman who buys diapers at Walmart for her Down's Syndrome baby whom she looks upon as a gift from God.

I can't make up my mind which one to vote for.

Hi, mama. It's beyond me how people can't understand that analogy.

245 jcm  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:33:34pm

Nancy Reagan hospitalized with broken pelvis

Prayers for swift healing, strength and comfort Mrs. Reagan.

246 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:33:42pm

re: #226 Honorary Yooper

OK, how does associating Obama with Apophis sound?

You know, they look very similar. (apologies to Peter Williams, a great actor).

Both the host and the parasite.

247 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:34:09pm

re: #235 bosforus

You're going to scare him away.

Sorry. I didn't mean it.
Please share more of your thought with us TaeJohnDo.

248 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:34:20pm

re: #205 JacksonTn

With respect to deferments: Lots of people got deferments during the Viet Nam war. It's a two-edged sword, which is why you will NOT usually see it swung in American politics.

249 willowone  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:34:25pm

re: #245 jcm

Sad to hear, Speedy recovery Mrs, First Lady Reagan.

250 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:34:36pm

re: #213 Fenway_Nation

Barely a year after the 9/11 attacks, Ayers' Foster brat is awarded a Rhodes scholarship and the NYT goes ga-ga over him

Note the sorrowful tone about the fact that the poor dear's sainted parents are in prison. It's just so unfair that they have to stay locked up like that! I mean, all they did was kill some pigs. Oops, we mean, uh, make some youthful mistakes.

I'm so glad I no longer subscribe to that rag.

251 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:34:38pm

re: #223 Desert Dog

Well, shoot, he's convinced me....where do I send the money and to whom should I apologize too?

I sensed an implied sarc tag.

252 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:34:50pm

re: #220 unrealizedviewpoint

FIRST post ever. And that's what you post?

I agreed with it, in the sense that we're supposed to forget about Ayers' actions from 40 years ago, but we're also supposed to still feel guilt about something our ancestors did 150 years ago. And pay money to assuage that guilt.

253 hazzyday  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:34:59pm

re: #208 TaeJohnDo

But we have to apologize for slavery and pay repartations even though none of us were around when it occurred.

I'll agree with the subsequent posters that this is just a distracting issue and doesn't really deal with election issues at the moment. It falls into the birth cert category. Ayers and ACORN and Finances are more important.

254 Dave the.....  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:35:15pm
Dohrn and Ayers are now respectable, heavy into education (pre-K thru 12 and up), philanthropy, community and quasi judicial work.

It's like a liberal I know who brags about all the charitable fund raisers he and his wife attend....they think quite highly of themselves.

But the fundraisers, when not for political causes, are for theaters and art galleries. No Salvation Army or Red Cross. No Boy Scouts. No Big Brothers/Sisters. Just elite art type things. I call that a hobby, not a charity.

255 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:35:15pm

re: #245 jcm

Nancy Reagan hospitalized with broken pelvis

Prayers for swift healing, strength and comfort Mrs. Reagan.

Uh...what are the Kos Kidz sayin'? (actually, don't tell me, I can figure it out myself).

256 mama winger  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:35:27pm

re: #244 jorline

Hi, mama. It's beyond me how people can't understand that analogy.

Rush Limbaugh said earlier on his show today that one of the reasons liberals hate Sarah so much is that she is so blatantly celebratory of LIFE.

257 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:35:32pm

re: #244 jorline

Hi, mama. It's beyond me how people can't understand that analogy.

Lefty just wants free stuf.

258 J.S.  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:36:00pm

OT (but with regard to the media -- CNN)

I several years ago a comedy skit in which part of the routine was to have a "news" person as an anchor sitting at a desk and reading a script, but the joke was the scrolling text on the "ticker" down below...which would act as a form of on-going "commentary" with whatever the "news" person was reading...It struck me as hilarious at the time...(or "that was then, this is now"?)

Anywho, I flicked over to CNN to see what's shaking with ol' Rick Sanchez...and lo and behold if CNN hasn't introduced a "new" feature -- and, Yes, indeedy, it's their "ticker" (as i lmao). Their "ticker" now scrolls "messages" submitted by "viewers" -- I kid you not...This is CNN's new "news", i guess. What a joke! But priceless for the bored cynics in the audience...

259 Ben Hur  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:36:03pm

What about the guys that blew up the Church in Alabama in killed the four girls?

Can John whip them out?

260 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:36:04pm

re: #245 jcm

Nancy Reagan hospitalized with broken pelvis

Prayers for swift healing, strength and comfort Mrs. Reagan.

If good wishes from good people, and evil wishes from evil people, BOTH speed healing, that she should be right as rain in no time.

Get well soon, Madame.

261 jcm  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:36:05pm

re: #236 taxfreekiller

#168

that there is some serious shit.

The AG Mukasey needs to get some serious horsepower after ACORN, they need to be barred from voter registrations and organizing. RICO, conspiracy to overthrow the government what ever it takes.

Shut the bastards down, slam the the door with their fingers in the jam.

262 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:36:33pm

DIY lutherie.....
KazooKeylele

263 Dave the.....  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:36:43pm
re: #234 mama winger

On the one hand we have a man who aligns himself with people who devised dirty bombs to blow up government buildings and US soldiers.

On the other hand we have a woman who buys diapers at Walmart for her Down's Syndrome baby whom she looks upon as a gift from God.

I can't make up my mind which one to vote for.

Why can't that point be made better in public. Why does the MSM make the opposite statement everyday.

264 maddogg  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:36:55pm

Look at this bullshit.

/I think I'm getting too angry to post on LGF.

265 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:36:56pm

re: #242 mama winger

I took it as sarcasm. Was it meant seriously?

I also took it as sarcasm.

Settle down, folks.

266 WrathofG-d  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:37:08pm

re: #189 mama winger

If you are going to make your point about rudely using the world "retard" to attack someone (which having seen you do so before, I assume this is what you were attempting to do again) you might want to be more clear about what exact word you are objecting to.

~Just some friendly advice.

267 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:37:17pm

re: #233 Ward Cleaver

re: #132 Occasional Reader

I was somewhat disturbed to learn that his last meal request was a quart of Chocolate Chip Mint ice cream.

Which is, hands down, my favorite flavor.


Mine, too.

/no kidding

As it is mine. Reminds me of Bond films where he and the villian have the same taste in something.

268 cblesz  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:37:20pm

re: #261 jcm

The AG Mukasey needs to get some serious horsepower after ACORN, they need to be barred from voter registrations and organizing. RICO, conspiracy to overthrow the government what ever it takes.

Shut the bastards down, slam the the door with their fingers in the jam.

Exactly. Why can't the freaking states just NOT accept ANY ACORN registrations? Problem fixed.

269 Dave_Da_Kid  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:37:55pm

In 1970 this happened. Do you think it might still matter to one of Walter Shroeder's kids who was, at the time, 8 years old?

270 jorline  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:37:59pm

re: #257 OldLineTexan

Lefty just wants free stuf.

"O" will abolish class envy....we'll all be equal in the eyes of "The One".

*spit*

271 Desert Dog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:38:06pm

re: #251 OldLineTexan

I sensed an implied sarc tag.

Well, considering most of my family was not even here before 1900 and the ones that were here fought and died for the North, I would say I should be left out of the reparations bandwagon. But, as TaeJohnDo, so elequently stated, it does not matter, yes?

272 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:38:10pm

re: #234 mama winger

On the one hand we have a man who aligns himself with people who devised dirty bombs to blow up government buildings and US soldiers.

On the other hand we have a woman who buys diapers at Walmart for her Down's Syndrome baby whom she looks upon as a gift from God.

I can't make up my mind which one to vote for.

Brilliant!

(small quibble, AFAIK they didn't make "dirty" bombs, as we understand the term, just regular ol' bombs)

273 Kenneth  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:38:13pm

re: #234 mama winger

Maybe I can help you with your dilemma,

The first one has a running mate who, a few weeks after 9-11 suggested the US give $200 million to the worlds most notorious state sponsor of terrorism,

While the other one has a running mate who was held captive for 5 1/2 years and was subjected to repeated torture & beatings when he refused to betray his country and his fellow POWs.

Does that make it any easier?

274 nikis-knight  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:38:28pm

Whoa. Reading the corner right now, and, well, fear for your country:

Not surprisingly, the Ayers attacks don't appear to have worked. You can argue it's because McCain wasn't comfortable enough with them, or if only he'd been more full-throated—and included Wright—it would have made a difference. I doubt it. Attacking Ayers had to be just a cog in a much larger case against Obama (we tried to outline it here). Now people like Dick Morris seem to think linking Acorn and Obama will make a huge difference. Acorn obviously deserves all the obloquy being heaped on it (see our editorial here), but I can't see many people voting on the issue. People are focused on the financial crisis, and unless/until McCain has a compelling, future-oriented message and program on the economy, nothing else is going to help him much. Check out this post from Ben Smith. A Republican consultant wrote him about a focus group where he aired an incredibly harsh anti-Obama spot that everyone in the room believed—but it still didn't matter. Here's a quote from one woman in the focus group: "Well, I don't know much about this terrorist group Barack used to be in with that Weather guy but I'm sick of paying for health insurance at work and that's why I'm supporting Barack."

([Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

275 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:38:34pm

re: #262 Killgore Trout

DIY lutherie.....
KazooKeylele

I wondered what ubernerds that do not have computers did with their spare time.

I give it 73 thumbs up!

276 jcm  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:38:41pm

re: #265 Occasional Reader

I also took it as sarcasm.

Settle down, folks.

It's sarcasm, but a kinda take except to a year old stinky sock posting way OT and without a tag in the middle of a thread.

277 yma o hyd  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:38:45pm

re: #211 Desert Dog

"Yes, it's true I hang around with shady and extremist people. And, yes, I did work with a known and unapologetic but acquitted murderer. And, yes I did go to a church that claims my race is the only good one and every other race is subhuman. And, it is true that the pastor of this church, who baptized my children and officiated at my wedding, hates America and all it stands for. And, yes, I did get a favorable loan from a soon to be convicted mobster....."

BUT, what does that have to do with ME?

That is the "gist" of what Obama is telling us. And, apparently there are many people in this country that buys that type of reasoning. Heaven helps us all.....

Perhaps I'm old-fashioned, but this attitude seems to be quite widely spread amongst people of his and the younger generation. You can see this in everyday life.
Example: a young lad stole cars. He died in a car accident, driving the last of those stolen cars. Family says: 'he was a lovable rogue'. Stealing things - associating with criminals (yep, Ayers is a criminal): what has that got to do with me?

278 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:39:04pm

re: #168 hazzyday

OT: Michelle Malkin displays the evidence of organized student voter fraud in Ohio. With pics and addresses used to commit the fraudulent voting. And at least one of these dimwits is a Rhodes scholar.

2885 Brownlee Avenue sounds like a swingin' pad!

Don't forget, Bill Clinton is a Rhodes scholar, too.

279 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:39:09pm

re: #265 Occasional Reader

I also took it as sarcasm.

Settle down, folks.

I thought we were ignoring buttons and panicking. Sorry!

280 mama winger  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:39:11pm

re: #266 WrathofG-d

If you are going to make your point about rudely using the world "retard" to attack someone (which having seen you do so before, I assume this is what you were attempting to do again) you might want to be more clear about what exact word you are objecting to.

~Just some friendly advice.

I thought about saying the word, but ya know, I just hate to. But I see your point. Thanks Wrath.

281 jorline  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:39:13pm

re: #264 maddogg

Look at this bullshit.

/I think I'm getting too angry to post on LGF.

I heard John Gibson talking about this display last night...sick!

282 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:39:30pm

re: #261 jcm

The AG Mukasey needs to get some serious horsepower after ACORN, they need to be barred from voter registrations and organizing. RICO, conspiracy to overthrow the government what ever it takes.

Shut the bastards down, slam the the door with their fingers in the jam.

How about this.

283 Dave_Da_Kid  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:39:47pm

I should have been a little more clear. The perps were members of the Weather Underground. These are the sorts of things they did. Charming lot eh?

284 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:39:53pm

Kos: We Must Crush Their Spirits: [Link: ace.mu.nu...] Be careful Markos, what comes around goes around.

285 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:39:54pm

re: #275 OldLineTexan

The guy has rockstar confidence. Ya gotta admire that.

286 formercorpsman  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:40:01pm

Hannity is talking about Murtha.

It is beyond reproach.

Seriously, is anyone not convinced, if he loses PA, the racism card will not be beat to death?

Even if he still wins?

287 jorline  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:40:21pm

bbl

288 mama winger  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:40:37pm

re: #273 Kenneth

Maybe I can help you with your dilemma,

Does that make it any easier?

I find myself still in a quandry.

Which one is gonna give me more free stuff ?

289 Throbert McGee  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:40:49pm

re: #100 Occasional Reader

Au contraire. I'm sure any good troop of Eagle Scouts would be delighted to host Mr. Ayers in the woods for a weekend.

Say, the New Jersey Pine Barrens. Just as an example.

Even though I normally disapprove of the backdoor shenanigans, in this one case I'm inclined to suggest putting out a call for Eagle Scouts who've grown up to be Gay S&M Tops, and changing the NJ Pine Barrens to The Pines on Fire Island -- where there's plenty of sand to get in the Vaseline. (And you can fill in your own "revolutionary fist bump" jokes here...)

Note to the reader: Even though the name "Fire Island" has long been popularly associated with gay men, it's actually only the section of the island called "The Pines" that is practically 100% male and gay. The adjacent "Cherry Grove" neighborhood is conspicuously lesbian but also popular with gay men and heterosexuals, while other parts of the island are predominantly hetero.

290 yma o hyd  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:41:01pm

re: #214 willowone

PUMAs got it - a pity so many Republicans haven't ...shame ...

291 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:41:03pm

re: #279 unrealizedviewpoint

I thought we were ignoring buttons and panicking. Sorry!

When in fear
When in doubt
Run in circles
Scream and shout

292 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:41:06pm

re: #267 Honorary Yooper

As it is mine. Reminds me of Bond films where he and the villian have the same taste in something.

Yes, I get that, too.

293 JacksonTn  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:41:25pm

re: #248 OldLineTexan

With respect to deferments: Lots of people got deferments during the Viet Nam war. It's a two-edged sword, which is why you will NOT usually see it swung in American politics.

I understand that many people got deferments during Vietnam .....but it totally pisses me off that these pieces of crap in the media and Ayers and his pals want to define our troops ......... I am not giving up on this election and I am not giving up after ........... because even if they do not win this time ......... they will come back ........

294 wolfie  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:41:47pm

re: #208 TaeJohnDo

But we have to apologize for slavery and pay repartations even though none of us were around when it occurred.

A most amusing irony!
Good point to bring up!

295 bosforus  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:41:53pm

re: #286 formercorpsman

Hannity is talking about Murtha.

It is beyond reproach.

Seriously, is anyone not convinced, if he loses PA, the racism card will not be beat to death?

Even if he still wins?

Racism never looked so good.

296 chicagodudewhotrades  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:42:01pm

Security clearences are no joke. I was a enlisted Intel specialist (IS3) in the USN in the early '90's. One day at IS 'A' school in Dam Neck Virginia the instructor asked me to step out into the hall because someone needed to talk to me. Turns out I had left off my foreign travel form a weekend trip I had taken with mom in the '80's. It was a 100% mistake. I had just simply forgot about it. The Defense Investigative Service agent questioned me about it. Yeah, background checks are pretty damn complex. It does anger me that someone like Obama (and B. Clinton too) can't get a clearence but they can run for POTUS. Something wrong with this picture.

297 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:42:22pm

re: #285 Killgore Trout

The guy has rockstar confidence. Ya gotta admire that.

I do, really. And I cannot play a (an?) ukelele OR sing (at all); hence the 73 thumbs up!

298 jcm  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:42:23pm

re: #282 erisldysnomia

How about this.

No.
Election goes as scheduled. Delay the count if necessary in Counties where ACORN is pervasive. In those counties validate registrations and ballots with signed affidavits of voters if necessary. Sue ACORN for the costs.

299 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:42:45pm

re: #264 maddogg

Look at this bullshit.

/I think I'm getting too angry to post on LGF.

and the creep says:

"I figured it would be equally offensive to everyone. It's just for shock value," Havens said. "McCain has been rabble-rousing, calling Obama a terrorist and a Muslim.

This is the kinda guy who can't identify, everything is everything else. McCain never said anything even remotely close.

300 DeafDog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:43:01pm

This is rich.

Murtha calls his constituents 'racists'

The Associated Press.

301 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:43:56pm

re: #298 jcm

No.
Election goes as scheduled. Delay the count if necessary in Counties where ACORN is pervasive. In those counties validate registrations and ballots with signed affidavits of voters if necessary. Sue ACORN for the costs.

Jus sayin'.

302 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:44:50pm

re: #300 DeafDog

This is rich.

Murtha calls his constituents 'racists'

The Associated Press.

Mothra's asking to get voted out of office.

303 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:44:50pm

re: #289 Throbert McGee

The adjacent "Cherry Grove" neighborhood is conspicuously lesbian but also popular with gay men and heterosexuals, while other parts of the island are predominantly hetero.

In fact, I attended a wedding on Fire Island. One of those old-fashioned, woman + man kind.

304 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:44:52pm

re: #281 jorline

I heard John Gibson talking about this display last night...sick!

One of the commenters on that article posted a link to the Philip Berg site (the Obama Kenyan birth certificate lawsuit guy).

305 deanayer  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:45:27pm

...Gosh, now I feel just awful, how could I have been so insensitive to this poor man. I guess I could put my self in his shoes, for example when his nail-bomb design prematurely detonated and collapsed the house around his co-conspirators instead of killing all those soldiers at a dance he must have felt like a failure. You try so hard to design a good nail bomb to shred unsuspecting folks at a dance and what do you get? Picked on by the evil republicans thats what!

306 Ben Hur  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:45:37pm

re: #293 JacksonTn

I understand that many people got deferments during Vietnam .....but it totally pisses me off that these pieces of crap in the media and Ayers and his pals want to define our troops ......... I am not giving up on this election and I am not giving up after ........... because even if they do not win this time ......... they will come back ........

Biden got a shitload of deferments - because of his asthma. Which of course doesn't stop him touting his athletic prowess in all his bios.

But he's a Dem, so it doesn't matter.

Just four years ago, in the year 43 Obama, when The One was a state senator, the WHOLE democrat campaign movement was based on Kerry's 4 months in Vietnam. That was the only thing that mattered - military experience.

The Dems and their MSM enablers have seemlessly moved on.

If the situation was reversed, there wouldn't be a story this election season without the MSM stating, THe Republican Party, which only 4 years ago put military experience at the top of their campaigns, now doesn't give a shit.

307 mama winger  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:45:43pm

re: #272 Occasional Reader

(small quibble, AFAIK they didn't make "dirty" bombs, as we understand the term, just regular ol' bombs)

Oh - I had read somewhere that they had put nails and stuff in the bombs. I think I used the wrong descriptor .

I am bomb-descriptor deficient. (Don't know how that happened - I am a child of the 60's.)

:)

308 DeafDog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:46:02pm

re: #302 Honorary Yooper

Mothra's asking to get voted out of office.

I am begging to have Murtha voted out.....and Dodd, Shumer and fwanks....PLEASE!

309 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:46:12pm

re: #302 Honorary Yooper

Mothra's asking to get voted out of office.

"Vote for me, you knuckle-dragging racists!"

Somehow, I don't think the voters will like it.

310 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:46:14pm

re: #302 Honorary Yooper

Mothra's asking to get voted out of office.

Hey! Mothra was okay, and doesn't deserve to be compared to this POS.

311 yma o hyd  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:46:53pm

re: #264 maddogg

Look at this bullshit.

/I think I'm getting too angry to post on LGF.

Blydi 'eck!

Despicable.

But its 'The right' who is filled with hate, innit ...

312 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:46:55pm
313 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:47:01pm

re: #301 ErislDysnomia

Jus sayin'.

Repeatedly. All day yesterday. Enough.

314 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:47:09pm

re: #304 Ward Cleaver

One of the commenters on that article posted a link to the Philip Berg site (the Obama Kenyan birth certificate lawsuit guy).

What I find interesting in the birth certificate lawsuit is that the Obama camp even spends the time and effort to put up a lawyer to defend against it.

Quite frankly, I'm sitting back and watching these fireworks take place.

315 Ben Hur  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:47:10pm

re: #300 DeafDog

This is rich.

Murtha calls his constituents 'racists'

The Associated Press.


Is he planning on running again?

316 jcm  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:47:42pm

re: #301 ErislDysnomia

Jus sayin'.

It's an appealing idea on some levels. Counting ballots and verifying registrations is not rocket science. Break it down by precinct, and it's a simple accounting procedure.

We know who's muddying the water and why. No reason to punish the country for the actions of ACORN.

317 wolfie  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:47:53pm

re: #252 Ward Cleaver

That's how I read it.

318 mama winger  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:47:59pm

re: #303 Occasional Reader

In fact, I attended a wedding on Fire Island. One of those old-fashioned, woman + man kind.

I swam naked at the beach at Fire Island in 1982.

don't ask

319 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:48:02pm

re: #307 mama winger

I had read somewhere that they had put nails and stuff in the bombs. I think I used the wrong descriptor .

"Dirty bomb" is generally understood to mean a bomb that is loaded with radioactive material, like strontium-90 (from medical waste), so as to contaminate a large area, and also sow fear and panic.

320 Mrs. H  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:48:49pm

re: #208
He forgot the sarc tag.

321 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:48:57pm

re: #310 Occasional Reader

Hey! Mothra was okay, and doesn't deserve to be compared to this POS.

"Moth-raaaaaah"

322 bosforus  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:49:00pm

re: #264 maddogg

Look at this bullshit.

/I think I'm getting too angry to post on LGF.

I know how you feel. I think we all know how you feel.

323 jcm  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:49:05pm

re: #318 mama winger

I swam naked at the beach at Fire Island in 1982.

don't ask

tease.......
;-)

324 Iron Fist  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:49:17pm

Murtha fucker. That sums him up just perfectly.

325 JacksonTn  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:49:20pm

re: #300 DeafDog

This is rich.

Murtha calls his constituents 'racists'

The Associated Press.

Murtha and his pals do not understand what they are doing ........ I have so many of our friends and biz associates who are totally pissed off being called racists ...... we have been dealing with that crap all our lives here in the south and we have had it ........... we can survive without all the "free stuff" Obama wants to give everybody ...... and we will not be giving up any of our stuff when they come looking .......

Obama is actually creating more problems regarding race ..........

326 Ben Hur  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:49:24pm

re: #319 Occasional Reader

"Dirty bomb" is generally understood to mean a bomb that is loaded with radioactive material, like strontium-90 (from medical waste), so as to contaminate a large area, and also sow fear and panic.


Aahh..

So it's NOT a bomb shoved up someone's ass first.

Thanks for the clarification.

327 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:49:38pm
328 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:50:21pm

Looks like that African website claiming to have a tape of Michelle Obama is playing for time.

We appreciate that you have send to us the information below to alert us on what is happening there in the US.

I would like to let you know that I have just send in a comment to the ABC News ’s Jake Tapper story and I hope he publishes my comments.

Soon, we will expose everything - information that we have, and that will make those who doubt us to retract their sentiments. The recordings will be released if need be in the long run. We did not imagine that there would be a huge interest in the story. Today we have received over 10000 emails and they are still coming. The comments are many and will be published. We will not mislead readers in any way. API spoke to Mrs Obama and the reasons she choose us will soon be made public in necessary.

The story is true.

By Chief Editor Korir

329 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:50:44pm

re: #326 Ben Hur

Aahh..

So it's NOT a bomb shoved up someone's ass first.

Thanks for the clarification.

You need to stop reading Throbert's posts.

330 Vergeltung  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:50:45pm

re: #234 mama winger

On the one hand we have a man who aligns himself with people who devised dirty bombs to blow up government buildings and US soldiers.
On the other hand we have a woman who buys diapers at Walmart for her Down's Syndrome baby whom she looks upon as a gift from God.
I can't make up my mind which one to vote for.

+20,000 for that one lady! nicely summed up and hits the nail ON THE HEAD!

331 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:50:54pm

re: #313 scottishbuzzsaw

Repeatedly. All day yesterday. Enough.

heh.

332 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:51:17pm

re: #326 Ben Hur

Aahh..

So it's NOT a bomb shoved up someone's ass first.

Thanks for the clarification.

No. That'd be the ass equivalent of the snuke, an assnuke.

333 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:51:22pm

re: #326 Ben Hur

Aahh..

So it's NOT a bomb shoved up someone's ass first.

Thanks for the clarification.

No, that's a "ridin' dirty bomb".

334 mama winger  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:51:43pm

re: #319 Occasional Reader

Thanks OR .

335 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:52:28pm

re: #328 JammieWearingFool

Looks like that African website claiming to have a tape of Michelle Obama is playing for time.

They should play it, and submit it for voiceprinting.

336 WrathofG-d  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:52:31pm

re: #311 yma o hyd

Blydi 'eck!

Despicable.

But its 'The right' who is filled with hate, innit ...

Insofar that Black on White crime is higher than White on Black crime, and the logic of the MSM, and Obama Campaign: that display is Racist and sure to cause black people to commit crime against white people on a huge racist violence spree. Obama should openly condemn it. If not he is racist.

337 razorbacker  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:52:36pm

re: #5 WitchDoctor

"His 2001 memoir is shot through with regret, but it lacks the abject style our culture prefers."

Perhaps the most disingenuous thing I have ever read.

Really? I thought it an apt turn of phrase, myself.

338 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:52:36pm

Postponing the election is the kind of thing that would delight those who seek to sow chaos. Not a good idea.

/Except I'd enjoy the wailing and gnashing from the ones who think Bush will refuse to leave the office.

339 jcm  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:52:41pm

Heh!

Suit against God thrown out over lack of address

A judge has thrown out a Nebraska legislator's lawsuit against God, saying the Almighty wasn't properly served due to his unlisted home address. State Sen. Ernie Chambers filed the lawsuit last year seeking a permanent injunction against God.

I guess God is outside the realm of law as well as science!

340 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:53:05pm

re: #325 JacksonTn

I have so many of our friends and biz associates who are totally pissed off being called racists .

Understand it is simply psy-ops in the service of Political Warfare.

When someone calls you a racist, you should simply tell them to go fuck themselves with their self righteous political warfare bullshit and walk away.

Let them know that you know.

341 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:53:26pm
I can personally attest to the idiocy of it all because I am a friend of Mr. Ayers.

That's a quote. From the article by this so-called Journalist.

You just can't make this stuff up.

Sorta has an interesting ring to it. BTW. Did Bill Ayers ever ask if the ring he wears came from Sen. McCain's plane? Did his wife ask if that's where hers came from?

I didn't think so.

342 Dave the.....  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:53:39pm
This is rich.

Murtha calls his constituents 'racists'

The Associated Press.

Huh, I've spent some time in Johnstown and Altoona. Never picked up on that. Even when people talk about the African-American gang bangers that have moved in recently, race is never mentioned.

343 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:53:43pm

re: #321 Ward Cleaver

"Moth-raaaaaah"

I wouldn't put her in the Gamera category, of course. Gamera is a friend to all children.

344 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:53:50pm

re: #337 razorbacker

Really? I thought it an apt turn of phrase, myself.

If Ayers' girlfriend had gotten her way, some soldiers at Ft. Dix would've been shot through with nails.

345 formercorpsman  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:54:06pm

re: #314 Honorary Yooper

In all honesty, that is the one aspect that is sticking out to me.

It makes no sense to me, why they would not just shut this asshole up, and produce the document in question.

I don't know what to think.

It just seems the effort it would take to kill the question off, they won't do it.

346 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:54:08pm

re: #331 ErislDysnomia

heh.

Sorry, I don't think your petitioning to postpone the election as if the US is some third world country is particularly amusing.

347 JacksonTn  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:54:23pm

re: #306 Ben Hur

Biden got a shitload of deferments - because of his asthma. Which of course doesn't stop him touting his athletic prowess in all his bios.

But he's a Dem, so it doesn't matter.

Just four years ago, in the year 43 Obama, when The One was a state senator, the WHOLE democrat campaign movement was based on Kerry's 4 months in Vietnam. That was the only thing that mattered - military experience.

The Dems and their MSM enablers have seemlessly moved on.

If the situation was reversed, there wouldn't be a story this election season without the MSM stating, THe Republican Party, which only 4 years ago put military experience at the top of their campaigns, now doesn't give a shit.

Here is what my father who was a SEAL said about Kerry (he told my mother not me) ......

If Kerry had been in the jungle in Vietnam before we had even said we were there like he was ........... and heard the screams of one of his fellow SEALS having their skin ripped off their body while being hung upside down by the North Viets ....... maybe he would not have shown so much mercy for our enemy ....... my father passed on but this was the only thing he ever told my mother about his time in the SEALS ......... I think he would have choked Kerry if he could have .... I spit on Kerry and Obama .....

348 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:54:31pm

re: #335 Ward Cleaver

They should play it, and submit it for voiceprinting.

Of course they should. But I doubt they have it.

349 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:54:55pm

re: #339 jcm

Heh!

Suit against God thrown out over lack of address

I guess God is outside the realm of law as well as science!

What are they talking about?

God
The Great Mosque
Mecca
Kindom of Saudi Arabia

350 mama winger  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:55:04pm

re: #325 JacksonTn

I have so many of our friends and biz associates who are totally pissed off being called racists ...... we have been dealing with that crap all our lives here in the south and we have had it .

Me too. We had this same discussion at work today. People are getting fed up with being called racists for not bowing to the One.

I have a hundred different reasons for not voting for Obama. Race is not on the list.

351 J.S.  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:55:47pm

re: #328 JammieWearingFool

What a bunch of b.s. You know, I believe that the reason these bogus stories keep popping up is so that whenever someone then hears an outlandish (but true) story about Obama, everyone will discount it as yet another false claim...(Also, how on earth will CNN by allowing on its ticker "text messages", identical in content/tone to that Letter Reader, to retain any semblance of upholding a standard for "truth"? How will this be possible? It's incredible to witness the de-evolution of the MSM into the disseminator of lies, calumny, gossip and innuendo, while masquerading as "news." There are no longer "editor", no longer "fact checkers" at any MSM outlet... )

352 yma o hyd  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:56:21pm

re: #336 WrathofG-d

Insofar that Black on White crime is higher than White on Black crime, and the logic of the MSM, and Obama Campaign: that display is Racist and sure to cause black people to commit crime against white people on a huge racist violence spree. Obama should openly condemn it. If not he is racist.

Thats not how this is going to be played, as we all know by now.

Its us racists, humourless as well, who just don't get the joke.

353 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:56:27pm

re: #347 JacksonTn

If Kerry had been in the jungle in Vietnam before we had even said we were there like he was ........... and heard the screams of one of his fellow SEALS

Just to be clear, John Kerry was not a SEAL.

354 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:56:47pm

re: #346 scottishbuzzsaw

Sorry, I don't think your petitioning to postpone the election as if the US is some third world country is particularly amusing.

The US is now a third world country.

355 jcm  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:56:51pm

re: #349 ErislDysnomia

ROFL!

356 DeafDog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:56:52pm

In case you missed it, Peter (don't laugh at my name) Wehner has a good write-up on associations with folks like Ayers - matter.

Why Character Maters

It's a bit long, but worth reading and sending to folks who say otherwise. The logic is good.

Sample....

in our wiser moments, we have always understood that character, broadly defined, is important to possess for those in high public office, in part because it tells us whether our leaders warrant our trust, whether their word is dependable, and whether they are responsible. And one of the best indicators of character is the people with whom you associate. This is basic, elementary-school level common sense. The odds are your parents wanted you to hang around with the “right” crowd instead of the wrong crowd because if you hung around with the latter it meant its members would be a bad influence on you, it would reflect poorly on you, and you’d probably end up getting into trouble.

357 doppelganglander  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:56:58pm

re: #274 nikis-knight

Here's a quote from one woman in the focus group: "Well, I don't know much about this terrorist group Barack used to be in with that Weather guy but I'm sick of paying for health insurance at work and that's why I'm supporting Barack."

([Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

Translation: "I'm too stupid to understand that if I'm not paying for health insurance at work, I'll be paying for it through my taxes."

358 mama winger  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:57:24pm

re: #354 ErislDysnomia

The US is now a third world country.

No.

No it is not.

359 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:57:32pm

re: #354 ErislDysnomia

The US is now a third world country.

No it is not. Get a grip.

360 JacksonTn  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:57:41pm

re: #353 Occasional Reader

Just to be clear, John Kerry was not a SEAL.

I know that ....... I was talking about my father's fellow SEALS ......

361 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:57:44pm

re: #354 ErislDysnomia

The US is now a third world country.

Um, no.

362 Throbert McGee  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:57:51pm

re: #289 Throbert McGee

Even though I normally disapprove of the backdoor shenanigans, in this one case I'm inclined to suggest putting out a call for Eagle Scouts who've grown up to be Gay S&M Tops

Oh -- and for Ayers, they should also bring along Lemmiwinks, the Gerbil King.

363 Kenneth  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:57:57pm

re: #288 mama winger

I find myself still in a quandry.

Which one is gonna give me more free stuff ?

Well, the first one will give you lots of stuff, but it won't be free.

The second one already helped protect your freedom.

364 jcm  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:58:00pm

re: #353 Occasional Reader

Just to be clear, John Kerry was not a SEAL.

But he has his lucky hat!

365 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:58:14pm

re: #360 JacksonTn

I know that ....... I was talking about my father's fellow SEALS ......

Got it.

366 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:58:17pm

Murtha bringing out the race card is either indicative of a) he is scared he's going to lose his election so he's hitching his wagon to Obama's, or b) there's some internal democrat fears that Obama's gonna lose.

For someone who promised to be the "post-racial" candidate, why would his surrogates bring up "racism" at all? There has been virtually no racially inflammatory statements or activities from the right, so why would he allow racism to be injected into the campaign?

His internal polling is telling him something he doesn't like, that's why. While the national polls and battleground state polls have all seemingly gone his way, Obama is still doing defense in blue states. Why would he do this if he believes the polls touted by the MSM?

367 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:59:02pm

re: #353 Occasional Reader

He wasn't even a very good sailor - but that's just me. If I'da been in the dispensary when he came in looking for a Band-aid and a Purple Heart to boot, I'da laughed him all the way to the door with the band-aid in his hand.

368 Richard Romano  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:59:32pm

This is amazing -- this slime is part of a group that killed fellow-Americans, from which HE NEVER SHOWED ONE OUNCE OF CONTRITION. He wanted to do more -- what don't you understand about this statement?

369 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:59:38pm

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that "ErislDysnomia" hasn't spent much time in real "third world countries".

370 jcm  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:59:52pm

re: #367 Cap'n DOC

He wasn't even a very good sailor - but that's just me. If I'da been in the dispensary when he came in looking for a Band-aid and a Purple Heart to boot, I'da laughed him all the way to the door with the band-aid in his hand.

The rice in the butt was a legitimate wound right?
///////

371 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:00:11pm

re: #354 ErislDysnomia

The US is now a third world country.

Let me clarify.

I can't go out in public and express myself freely on many topics.
As an intelligent conservative white male I am reverse-discriminated against in employment.
We have a completely corrupt news media in service of a political party and ideology.
Leftists are in control of our schools, our government, our media.
We can manufacture little ourselves, and send raw materials overseas for manufacture as if we are a colony.
We neglect our own while importing cheap foreign labor and illegal immigrants.

If this is not third world, what is?

372 jcm  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:00:16pm

Later Lizards!

373 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:01:07pm

re: #369 Occasional Reader

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that "ErislDysnomia" hasn't spent much time in real "third world countries".

Wrong.

374 debutaunt  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:01:23pm

re: #275 OldLineTexan

I wondered what ubernerds that do not have computers did with their spare time.

I give it 73 thumbs up!

I was truly frightened by that thing.

375 HoosierHoops  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:01:31pm

re: #346 scottishbuzzsaw

Sorry, I don't think your petitioning to postpone the election as if the US is some third world country is particularly amusing.

I agree..
Oh Scottish..Almost time to skip out and go home..
Sure you don't want to give up a little of that Bailey's?
/ I'll be good..
:)

376 VioletTiger  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:02:19pm

What's going on with the markets?

377 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:02:23pm

re: #375 HoosierHoops

I agree..
Oh Scottish..Almost time to skip out and go home..
Sure you don't want to give up a little of that Bailey's?
/ I'll be good..
:)

Okay, HH...in honor of the coming debate...Cheers!

378 formercorpsman  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:03:25pm

re: #354 ErislDysnomia

I read mostly everyone's responses here.

While scrolling, there are some people I always stop on when I see their nic.

You have always been one of them. I appreciate the frustration with the things we are facing at our current place and time in history, but it would be a stretch to to think we are an actual 3rd world country now.

Perhaps some spots in this country, arguable.

We have not lost all yet.

379 johnnyreb  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:03:57pm

re: #300 DeafDog

This is rich.

Murtha calls his constituents 'racists'

The Associated Press.

We need him to keep shooting his mouth off. It is good for McCain.

380 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:04:05pm

re: #361 Occasional Reader

Um, no.

Sir, you are still clinging to an America that is receding before your eyes.

In fact, you are unwilling to put it all on the line and support strong measures such as postpoing the election because you are unconvinced as to just how bad it is, and how much worse it is likely to become.

While we don't have starving people dying on the streets, culturally we are approaching third world.

381 beblebrox  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:04:45pm

re: #300 DeafDog

This is rich.

Murtha calls his constituents 'racists'

The Associated Press.

as a western Pennsylvanian I'd like to read that, but i'm too busy building crosses to burn tonight.

/disgusting, traitorous bastard

382 WrathofG-d  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:05:29pm

re: #352 yma o hyd

Its all part of the "you can openly pick on White Christians" mentality of the Media here in America.

You can have a show called "Red Neck Wedding", say "Red-Neck", and make fun of Relgious Christians all you want...but say the same exact thing about blacks, mexicans, etc...you're racist.

383 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:05:36pm

re: #371 ErislDysnomia

"I can't go out in public and express myself freely on many topics."

Yes, you can. You may get people angry at you. That's different. If they assault you, the police with arrest them. In third world countries, the police arrest you for expressing your opinion.

"As an intelligent conservative white male I am reverse-discriminated against in employment."

No idea. That's you reporting your personal experiences.

"We have a completely corrupt news media in service of a political party and ideology."

We do not have a single, monolithic "news media".

"Leftists are in control of our schools, our government, our media."

Absolutely, unchallenged? Nonsense.

"We can manufacture little ourselves, and send raw materials overseas for manufacture as if we are a colony."

Yep, we make commercial aircraft, cutting-edge medical equipment, and write the world's software. Just like Sierre Leone!

"We neglect our own while importing cheap foreign labor and illegal immigrants."

Erm, third world countries actually don't usually have much of an illegal immigration problem.

384 Jimash  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:05:52pm

I can't type a proper sneer, you'll have to imagine it.
I quote the other thread story:

The Communist Party USA likes the direction in which America is headed: US communists say their time has come.

And so Ayers and Dorhn stay real quiet.

"In late 1975, the Weather Underground put out an issue of a magazine, Osawatamie, which carried an article by Dohrn, "Our Class Struggle", described as a speech given to the organization's cadres on September 2 of that year. In the article, Dohrn clearly stated support for Communist ideology:[16]
We are building a communist organization to be part of the forces which build a revolutionary communist party to lead the working class to seize power and build socialism. [...] We must further the study of Marxism-Leninism within the WUO [Weather Underground Organization]. The struggle for Marxism-Leninism is the most significant development in our recent history. [...] We discovered thru [sic] our own experiences what revolutionaries all over the world have found — that Marxism-Leninism is the science of revolution, the revolutionary ideology of the working class, our guide to the struggle [...]"
According to a 1974 FBI study of the group, Dohrn's article signaled a developing commitment to Marxism-Leninism that had not been clear in the groups previous statements, despite trips to Cuba by some members of the group before and after Weather Underground was formed, and contact with Vietnamese communists there.[16]"

Even the decent wikipedia article I have quoted is soft on this.
" She later served less than a year of jail time, after refusing to testify against ex-Weatherman Susan Rosenberg in an armed robbery case.[17] Shortly after turning themselves in, Dohrn and Ayers became legal guardians of the son of former members of the Weather Underground, Kathy Boudin and David Gilbert, after they were convicted of murder for their roles in a 1981 armored car robbery.[citation needed]

Here the wiki article indicates that these are two different cases but they are not. Susan Rosenberg drove the getaway car on the 1981 Brinks robbery.
Two policemen and a security guard were shot dead and Kathy Boudin and David Gilbert were sentenced to multidecade prison time.
Ayers and Dorhn took in Boudin and Gilbert's child, but Dorhn did 7 months for refusing to testify.
I am pretty sure that they were not protesting the war in vietnam in either 1975 or 1981, or 1985 when Rosenberg finally DID get arrested, tried and sentenced for having 740 pounds of explosives which were to be used on
Fort Dix in a stunning replay of the original 1970 Ayers plan.
These people are scum. And they think Obama will legitimize them.

385 cblesz  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:06:21pm

re: #347 JacksonTn

Here is what my father who was a SEAL said about Kerry (he told my mother not me) ......

If Kerry had been in the jungle in Vietnam before we had even said we were there like he was ........... and heard the screams of one of his fellow SEALS having their skin ripped off their body while being hung upside down by the North Viets ....... maybe he would not have shown so much mercy for our enemy ....... my father passed on but this was the only thing he ever told my mother about his time in the SEALS ......... I think he would have choked Kerry if he could have .... I spit on Kerry and Obama .....


I, for one am thankful for your Dad's service. HE is a true hero and you should be proud. Fuck John Kerry.

386 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:06:23pm

re: #373 ErislDysnomia

Wrong.

Okay. Elaborate.

387 J.S.  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:06:31pm

re: #371 ErislDysnomia

Oh please. Do you have any, any concept of the term "corruption?" It's not about "politics." It means if your store is robbed, and The State doesn't like you, you'll be the one headed for jail...while the perps enrich themselves. If you don't fall in line, you'll be constantly harassed -- and not just you -- but if you're married, they'll go after your wife and children (talking violence/torture, etc.) ...they know who to harm and have you complying. Oh no, you'll fall into line very, very quickly...Can you grasp what it means to live under such conditions?

388 formercorpsman  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:06:36pm

re: #381 beblebrox

I truly think, the Democrats are complicit, when they make these comments, of enciting violence.

In the event this election becomes contended, some folks will use this as a reason for their actions.

I think this is done on purpose.

389 mama winger  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:06:56pm

re: #371 ErislDysnomia

If this is not third world, what is?

We live in a nation where we have the right to vote in free elections. We have freedom of speech and of religion. We live in a society that offers education to children 5-18. We have access to plentiful food of a wide variety and the money to buy it. We have excellent sanitation and health care. We have opportunities to better ourselves economically, socially, and spiritually. We have women's rights. We have access to a free flow of information. We have the right to make our own way.

390 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:07:00pm

re: #383 Occasional Reader

Sierre Sierra Leone

pimf

391 irongrampa  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:07:21pm

William Ayers's agenda has remained unchanged. It's just not being pursued with explosives now.

392 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:08:05pm

re: #383 Occasional Reader

the police with will arrest them

pimf again!

393 mama winger  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:08:53pm

re: #392 Occasional Reader

the police with will arrest them

pimf again!

go sit in a corner OR

394 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:10:00pm

re: #393 mama winger

go sit in a corner OR

I can't help it, I'm from a third world country!

395 Throbert McGee  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:10:17pm

re: #319 Occasional Reader

"Dirty bomb" is generally understood to mean a bomb that is loaded with radioactive material, like strontium-90 (from medical waste), so as to contaminate a large area

Specifically, it contaminates a large area with depressed property values, hugely expensive HAZMAT cleanups, vendors of useless anti-radiation pills, and other by-products of public anxiety over radiation -- and not so much with actual radioactivity in excess of natural background sources.

396 J.S.  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:10:24pm

re: #389 mama winger

There is also a written Constitution with a set of laws. The United States has established ideals -- and that includes the "rule of law" -- not the rule of petty tyrants who at whims establish what's OK for the "flavor of the month." Plus there are courts and lawyers to represent you.

397 Ron Shaw  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:10:31pm

Gimme a break! You've got to be kidding me! Obviously, this friend is in complete denial as well as goose step with the modern Ayers who has made it his life's work to defeat America from within through socialization of the entire educational system within this country from the lowest to highest levels. Someone needs to do their homework before they defend the William Ayers of today or of yesteryear. But, then again I forgot this Marxist vision and retooling of our educational system does not rely on grades or such things as homework as the educators, teachers and students hit the street for social change that has the defeat of America as we know and love as the required curriculum! It is quite amazing what can be accomplished through unions and Marxist indoctrination from the wealthy to the impoverished masses ripe for any old snake-oil sales pitch.

398 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:10:55pm

re: #394 Occasional Reader

I can't help it, I'm from a third world country!

Damn, you're good! Even if you can't spell...;>)

399 Spider Mensch  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:11:06pm

re: #386 Occasional Reader

Okay. Elaborate.

hint: trips to tijuana for a day of drunken fun do not count as visiting 3rd world countries.

400 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:11:14pm

re: #378 formercorpsman

I read mostly everyone's responses here.

While scrolling, there are some people I always stop on when I see their nic.

You have always been one of them. I appreciate the frustration with the things we are facing at our current place and time in history, but it would be a stretch to to think we are an actual 3rd world country now.

Perhaps some spots in this country, arguable.

We have not lost all yet.

Don't get me wrong, I admire everyone here for taking a stand in tumultuous times.

I simply believe we need more.

Kerry and Edwards came pretty damn close to winning in 2004, except for the Swiftvets who took a very frontal approach at risk to their own retirements and serenity. Obama and company are likely to take 2008.

We have lost a lot already, and without strong action, we will lose most if not all that we hold dear, is my point.

Hell, we are on the verge of Obama as President, with Dem majorities in both houses, and a Justice dept. in service of the left. Guaranteed the "Fairness Doctine" (aka goodbye freedom of speech), prosecution of Bush and his staff, punitive taxation, weakness towards our enemies who will exploit it, bye-bye support of Israel, etc.

The situation is dire, and denial, while comforting, is a nonhelpful defense mechanism.

401 Joan  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:11:55pm

re: #15 Desert Dog

Ah gee, I guess he's right, I mean Ayers showed "some regret" in his memoirs, so come on....that is enough for me. I wonder if that was before or after he said he didn't do enough and decided to use the flag as a doormat?

This isn't about the human pile of scum that is William Ayers, it's about the man running for the highest office in the land and his decision making. You are know by the company you keep, and Obama keeps terrorists and racists as his friends.

"Senator Obama, do you have any friends who do NOT loathe America?"

402 HoosierHoops  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:12:20pm

re: #394 Occasional Reader

I can't help it, I'm from a third world country!


I get my 3rd World Countries from Wal-Mart..

403 mama winger  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:12:51pm

re: #400 ErislDysnomia

Nobody here is in denial that we are facing a very serious situation. I simply do not agree with your description of my beloved America as a 'Third World Country', mainly because, well, because it simply isn't true.

404 mama winger  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:13:33pm

re: #401 Joan

"Senator Obama, do you have any friends who do NOT loathe America?"

That's a good question. I haven't seen any evidence of it.

405 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:14:30pm

re: #400 ErislDysnomia

The situation is dire, and denial, while comforting, is a nonhelpful defense mechanism.

How can you even say that in a 'room' with highly informed, politically active and aware Lizards? Your concept of 'strong action' is misguided at best.

406 beblebrox  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:14:56pm

re: #388 formercorpsman

I truly think, the Democrats are complicit, when they make these comments, of enciting violence.

In the event this election becomes contended, some folks will use this as a reason for their actions.

I think this is done on purpose.

I'm sure you are correct. However if that is what they are expecting they are sadly mistaken. I, along with most of the other participants in this and other like minded forums, are too busy working and having a life outside of this crap to be incited into much of anything. Now, mess with our families or our homes, and then you'll see some incitement like you've never seen before. But over politics? Surely they jest.

407 razorbacker  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:15:42pm

*Sigh. I'm starting to feel kind icky today. I'm about to semi-defend Obiden again*

The author of this POS article has a point.

Why would Obama find anything wrong being all buddy-buddy with Ayers/Dohern?

The city of Chicago doesn't, as evidenced by the 'Man of the Year' award.

The educational establishment in this country doesn't, as evidenced by the outpouring of support for Ayers see here.

The legal establishment and ACLU doesn't, if that LGF poster the other day was correct, and Dohern really does sit on steering committees and such.

The University of Chicago doesn't. They think Ayers is pretty special. Good enough to teach all those children (if serving members of the Armed Forces are children, then college students are, too).

The Annenberg Foundation doesn't, or they wouldn't have given him beaucoup dollars to spend.

Nobody Obama knows sees anything wrong with it. Why would he?

408 ECN_PHX  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:16:33pm

I think Bill Ayers ghost wrote this article too.

409 Ezekiel2517  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:17:30pm

The WSJ should be ashamed for printing this drivel. Oh sure, Ayers is just a poor defenseless old man..who bombed the Capital building and the Pentagon.

410 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:19:04pm

re: #389 mama winger

We live in a nation where we have the right to vote in free elections.

Do we really? With ACORN doing what they've been doing?

We have freedom of speech

Go out in public and utter (as a hypothetical example, say) that you don't like gays because they spread AIDS, and see how much freedom you have.

and of religion

Try to put up a Christmas display in the town square or the Ten Commandments.

We live in a society that offers education to children 5-18

You mean, indoctrination where kiddies are taken to see a lesbian wedding.

We have access to plentiful food of a wide variety and the money to buy it.

No argument there.

We have excellent sanitation and health care.

With the abuses physicians are taking from the left, that is also fading.

We have opportunities to better ourselves economically, socially, and spiritually

For the moment, except for that reverse-discrimination snag.

We have women's rights

Sure, Sarah Palin's been experiencing that from our media lately.

We have access to a free flow of information

Not in our media, and with a Fairness Doctrine possibly looming, I'd worry about other modes as well.

We have the right to make our own way.

And I want to keep it that way, but I see too many linguini spined people who won't do anything.

Why are there no conservative protests and blockades, for example, of the NY Times building or other media?

The media is the root problem in our society, for if it were doing an honest job, the election would likely be 90-10 against the left.

411 Joan  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:19:10pm

re: #19 mean Gene

Hitler was a wonderful dancer, or so I'm told.
And Mussolini got the trains running on time.
I mean who is ALL bad all the time?


Darth Cheney.
/off

412 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:22:24pm

re: #405 scottishbuzzsaw

How can you even say that in a 'room' with highly informed, politically active and aware Lizards? Your concept of 'strong action' is misguided at best.

Really? Can you find proof of your assertion, or is it just an opinion?

On the other hand, considering the state of this country and the election, I could make a compelling case that what conservatives have been doing to date has been highly ineffective against the 'strong actions' of the left.

413 wolfie  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:22:54pm

re: #407 razorbacker

Yup. You got it.

(Technicality...It's the University of Illinois at Chicago, not the University of Chicago, that employed Ayers.)

414 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:23:40pm

This WSJ article is the one that says Ayers should be an honorary Eagle Scout.

As an Eagle Scout Mentor, I say NO.

415 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:23:48pm

let us not have a battle in our own house.

I believe we should be more action-oriented, others do not. I respect their opinions as I disagree with them based on the 50,000 foot view of our current country.

416 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:24:19pm