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Pre-Debate Open Thread

Politics | Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 12:50:58 pm PDT

Here’s an open thread for any last-minute advice you may have for John McCain.

We’ll have live streaming video again—the cameras are already set up and showing the stage at Hofstra University.

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1 tommygum  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:52:05pm

Open thread!

2 Dianna  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:52:47pm

I will not click a video of an empty stage. Not!

Damnit, I'm not really OCD. I'm not.

*click*

3 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:52:58pm

re: #1 tommygum

Open thread!

OK, what's the second thing you have to say?

4 Desert Dog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:53:01pm

So, what are the odds McCain will hit Obama on his glass chin tonight? Or, will he sit there and grumble all night and let "the One" walk all over him?

5 tommygum  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:53:03pm

I'm so ronery here!

6 joecitizen  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:53:05pm

smother the fucker in truth johnno..

7 joncelli  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:53:32pm

Hit him hard, keep it polite, refer to facts, project confidence, and never lose your cool.

8 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:53:43pm

When's the debate start anyway?

9 maddogg  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:54:00pm

It'd root hog or die, John. I think you owe your country one more favor.

10 tommygum  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:54:15pm

The truth will set us free.....

11 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:54:31pm
12 Ron Shaw  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:54:54pm

...really doubt he has been taking any. Wouldn't it be nice if he did for a change!

13 bosforus  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:55:38pm

what's up with the link mouse in the bottom right fourth of the screen?

14 DeeMack  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:55:40pm

here's some pre show entertainment...

[Link: farewellisrael.com...]

15 joecitizen  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:55:46pm

re: #9 maddogg

It'd root hog or die, John. I think you owe your country one more favor.

he doesn't 'owe' us anything..but he put himself up in this position and he damn well better fight for it!

16 joncelli  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:55:54pm

re: #7 joncelli

Oh, and give me a pony!

/Poor John's probably getting LOTS of advice.

17 krycek  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:56:00pm

will obama have his "me too" bracelet tonight?

18 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:56:01pm

John, Mr. Senator sir,

When you talk about Ayers, tell 'em it's not how many board meetings they shared, it's the agenda that they shared that makes Obama unfit to lead, because they still share that agenda.

19 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:56:10pm
20 littleoldlady  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:56:12pm

Oh crap. I just put 2+2 together and got Phillies game + debate. :-(

21 Dianna  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:56:12pm

McCain has promised to whip Obama. I want Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Ayers, Wright, Obama's lies, Obama's tax increases (to all of us!), and every bit of flim-flam exposed.

Ignore the questions. Dig into what you want to say, McCain.

22 jcm  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:56:13pm

Get on Hussein's six.
Blow him out of the sky.

You've got more than enough ammo.
FOR GOD'S SAKE USE IT ALL!

23 Charles  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:56:53pm

Dow's taking another dive. Down almost 700.

24 joncelli  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:56:56pm

re: #20 littleoldlady

That's why remotes have 'Last" buttons.

25 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:57:13pm

McCain needs to take the pitbull attitude in with him, minus the lippy, of course.

26 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:57:56pm

Odds are I'll be watching the Habs/Bruins game or the Dodgers/Phillies game- you know.....to see who my Red Sox will play in the World Series after yet another come-from-behind ALCS win

27 Dianna  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:58:03pm

re: #25 A Kiwi Infidel

McCain needs to take the pitbull attitude in with him, minus the lippy, of course.

I don't know, it seems to me that McCain could use some make-up help.

Perhaps Hillary Clinton can lend him her stylist?

28 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:58:05pm

re: #23 Charles

Dow's taking another dive. Down almost 700.

That's Obama's debate prep.

29 bosforus  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:58:07pm
last-minute advice you may have for John McCain.

Has he listened to any before now?

30 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:58:08pm

Advice to McCain?

Keep it simple.

Nobody ever defended anything successfully, there is only attack and attack and attack some more. Attack, attack and attack more on Obama's socialism and radical leftist associations which inform the electorate as to Obama's character, judgment, and leftist leanings to solve all problems through government intervention and redistribution of wealth. It's the economy, stupid. Obama's (and the Democrats in general) solution for the economy is to socialize ever larger aspects. That's destructive and corrosive to the entrepreneurial spirit that makes this nation the envy of the world (and yes, I'd say that in the debate - because it's true and is a natural segue into foreign policy discussion, where again Obama wants to duck his protectionist bent).

Obama cannot defend his socialism. He'll deflect it and try to weasel around it, but he cannot avoid the fact that he's calling for massive redistributions of wealth. If Obama tries, it will be to the cheers of racism and smears by his supporters against McCain.

31 jill e  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:58:10pm
32 littleoldlady  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:58:13pm

re: #24 joncelli

That's why remotes have 'Last" buttons.

The minute I switch the channel I miss the good stuff on the other channel.

/no mazel :-(

33 tommygum  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:58:17pm

re: #20 littleoldlady

Oh crap. I just put 2+2 together and got Phillies game + debate. :-(

I have my CWV meeting. I'll blow through it quick. "No new business, motion to close."

34 Ben Hur  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:58:25pm

Turn me on.

35 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:58:35pm

A conservative talk show host in Denver, Mike Rosen (KOA Clear Channel), was saying today that McCain should get off of the Ayers and Rezko stories.

He says since the MSLM (main stream liberal media, since he considers himself main stream conservative media) is NOT really covering any of these stories in any detail, then John Q. Public really doesn't know anything about them and McCain doesn't have the time to try to bring the public up to speed in minute and a half debate answers.

Rosen said most of the coverage on these topics are on conservative talk show and blogs, which amounts to preaching to the choir and doesn't reach the people who count.

He says McCain should address the economy and stay off those other subjects, becuase the economy IS a topic that has been covered to death by the MSLM.

36 Abu Kuffar  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:58:40pm

Keep the racists and kooks out from this one.

37 BackwardsBoy  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:58:49pm

McCain should ask The Vapid One why he sued to force a bank to make sub-prime mortgages. Then he should ask him what he wanted to teach the children of Chicago. Then he should ask why he has directed his followers to shut down dissenting opinions. Then ask the American public why it's a good idea to elect a radical Marxist as President. Then ask...

38 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:59:40pm

re: #23 Charles

Dow's taking another dive. Down almost 700.


You know, Charles, I just cant help thinking that someone, somewhere, is making a shit load of money manipulating the market during these tumultuous times. That said, someone is losing a shitload at the other end.

39 Rednek  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 12:59:44pm

Be charming and paint in broad strokes.

Most of the yapping brainiacs don't like you anyway.

40 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:00:00pm

re: #23 Charles

Dow's taking another dive. Down almost 700.

Bernanke talked the markets down with his comments earlier. The moment he said economy slowing, the market went south at a faster clip.

I'd watch energy prices too. They can't sustain these levels if the economy slows as much as they're claiming. The oil prices are going to tank. Literally.

41 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:00:18pm
42 jcm  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:00:30pm

Later gang!

43 bulwrk  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:00:32pm

For the love of God John stop with the "my friends"

44 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:00:36pm

If I was McCain, I would ask Obama how his "spread the wealth" comment to the plumber differs from socialism. Simple and sweet.

45 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:00:39pm

re: #23 Charles

Dow's taking another dive. Down almost 700.

Huh- weren't Frank, Pelosi and all those other congresscritters patting themselves on the back two weeks ago saying this was exactly what the bailout was supposed to prevent?

46 Dave_Da_Kid  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:00:41pm

Nut up and start hammering. Don't stop until he's a bleeding, twitching pile of goo on the floor. My Dad always said "David, you should never start a fight. But, if you find you're in one, damn well make sure you END the fucker." Go get him John. I'll hold your coat.

47 Odinga  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:00:45pm

Ignore the Polls. I say McCain takes PA.

This site is the best Video Ads for McCain/Palin Must See

48 Ben Hur  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:00:58pm

BRING UP IRAQ.

Again, if the situation was reversed, any time the MSM would mention McCain, they would write:

John McCain, who for the last 2+ years has said that Iraq was the most important issue in the world.......

49 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:01:00pm

re: #2 Dianna

I will not click a video of an empty stage. Not!

Damnit, I'm not really OCD. I'm not.

*click*

hee-hee.
you and me both.

50 DeafDog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:01:11pm

re: #20 littleoldlady

Oh crap. I just put 2+2 together and got Phillies game + debate. :-(

This sort of dilemma is why god invented the DVR.

51 tommygum  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:01:16pm

Dow closed 758 down.

52 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:01:23pm

Wearing my Nobama shirt to school right now. I'll give you all an update soon.

53 joecitizen  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:02:01pm

re: #52 TheMatrix31

Wearing my Nobama shirt to school right now. I'll give you all an update soon.

I hope you are well armed..

54 littleoldlady  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:02:21pm

re: #52 TheMatrix31

Wearing my Nobama shirt to school right now. I'll give you all an update soon.

GAH! All we want to hear is that you've come back ALIVE! :-/

55 joncelli  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:02:38pm

re: #44 Walter L. Newton

Good one. Everyone can identify with having their money expropriated.

56 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:02:41pm

re: #23 Charles

Dow's taking another dive. Down almost 700.

That's the Plumber Effect.

57 tomg51spence  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:02:45pm

Say nuclear as often as possible -

to replace fossil fuel power
to power making hydrogen
to power regeneration of batteries
to reduce emissions incredibly
to be self-sufficient
to avoid sacrifice at home
to stay ahead in the world marketplace
to make Yucca mountain good for something
(and to roll Reid along the way - we need that proven disposal site!)
to provide the stick to go with the carrot to the rest of the world
to nuke the moon (imao)
to avoid wasting money on renewables that are energy sinks
to avoid warping the economics of food

58 hillbilly geek  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:02:50pm

By the way, Charles, thanks for shortening the comment field!

59 Ben Hur  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:02:51pm

Quick, someone post Ayatollah Gmaoidjhajalsdjflasd's great post to McCain.

Bring up the fact that all The One spoke about for 2 out his 3 years in the Senate campaigning for PRes, was about IRaq, and how the MSM and The One, for some strange reason, NEVER bring it up anymore.

60 chicagodudewhotrades  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:03:06pm

re: #23 Charles

This is exactly why i'm staying away from stocks and just trading currencies.markets like this are hard to make money on. Yeah, if you are on the right side of the move you can do well. But if you aren't.......ouch

61 snowcrash  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:03:12pm

In other debates and interviews I noticed Obama often answers questions with some variety of "First I would" blah blah blah. The answer goes on and on but he never gets to a "Second I would" blah blah blah. He leaves you with the impression he has many well thought out answers when all he had was 1 long rambling answer to a now forgotton question.

62 bosforus  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:03:13pm

re: #43 bulwrk

For the love of God John stop with the "my friends"

If I were undecided the last thing I'd want is some suck-up trying to woo me over by pretending he's my friend.

63 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:03:15pm

re: #43 bulwrk

For the love of God John stop with the "my friends"

And replace it with "My fellow Americans".

64 Dave_Da_Kid  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:03:15pm

re: #23 Charles

Dow's taking another dive. Down almost 700.

Just in time for the O to use it as a talking point. "Why just today Wall Street dropped 700 points because of the failed policies brought to you by 8 years of Bush and McCain". Can't you just hear it now?


/barf...

65 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:03:34pm

re: #51 tommygum

Dow closed 758 down.


Those who started the sell off will be buying back in tomorrow. Expect the DOW to rise another 700, then the sell off will begin again, and the so the cycle continues.

66 Dianna  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:03:40pm

re: #35 Walter L. Newton

Then he's missing out.

CNN is hammering ACORN; Ayers has actually been mentioned.

Rumblings from the depths, perhaps, but I think this is going to blow up big.

67 Ben Hur  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:04:00pm

re: #64 Dave_Da_Kid

Just in time for the O to use it as a talking point. "Why just today Wall Street dropped 700 points because of the failed policies brought to you by 8 years of Bush and McCain". Can't you just hear it now?


/barf...


McCain needs to stop being afraid to defend Republicans and Bush.

68 blackpajamas  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:04:03pm

Ooh, a debate! I've got a little something to say. Please forgive, if it requires some scrolling :-)

69 jill e  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:04:11pm

McCain should look at this as Democracy vs. Socialism and show a little bit of that temper we've all heard about.

70 oh_dude  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:04:12pm
71 arethusa  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:04:20pm

Yup, I'm waiting for McCain "to turn me on."

More important, does a debate take precedence over my Phillies?

72 SagamoreGal  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:04:21pm

Bring The Plumber from Ohio as your special guest and during any "free debate" portion you may be given, ask Obama if he remembers talking to this man a few days ago...

Obama's game plan for the debate would be thrown so off kilter, he could never recover. He might just have to talk about pies for the rest of the debate.

Also, bring some acorns in your pocket just to toss around the stage while Obambi is pontificating. (o:

73 rudi  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:04:28pm

Perhaps McCain could start off by asking Obama just what it is about him that caused Ayers and his wife to support him.

"Senator, I think the American people would like to know why it is that unrepentant terrorists Ayers and his wife have been so supportive of you in your political career."

74 Dianna  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:04:36pm

re: #36 Abu Kuffar

Keep the racists and kooks out from this one.

You mean exclude the nutroots?

75 TheWasteLand  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:04:41pm

Advice for McCain? Just win, baby. Just win.

More concretely, hit 0bama on his "spread the wealth" comment to that plumber. And point out we're all plumbers now.

76 HelloDare  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:04:47pm

Christopher Hitchens who supports Bush on the war came out for Obama/Biden. That makes one less columnist I have to read.

77 DeafDog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:04:58pm

re: #66 Dianna

Then he's missing out.

CNN is hammering ACORN; Ayers has actually been mentioned.

Rumblings from the depths, perhaps, but I think this is going to blow up big.

I smell PUMA folks...no way this can/would happen otherwise.

78 joncelli  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:05:09pm

re: #66 Dianna

They're just fumbling for a way to defuse these issues before the election.

79 Ben Hur  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:05:14pm

re: #66 Dianna

Then he's missing out.

CNN is hammering ACORN; Ayers has actually been mentioned.

Rumblings from the depths, perhaps, but I think this is going to blow up big.

Because the MSM is really racist.

THey've been playing AS IF they are in the tank long enough that, when Mickey tells them to go southpaw, they can't be labelled racists.

They're very clever.

80 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:05:28pm

re: #76 HelloDare

Christopher Hitchens who supports Bush on the war came out for Obama/Biden. That makes one less columnist I have to read.

I am truly disappointed. I credited him with more discernment than that.

81 BackwardsBoy  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:05:37pm

...then ask him why he thinks the redistribution of wealth is a good thing in a capitalist economy. Then ask him why he thinks infanticide is a good moral position. Then ask him if he thinks that America is a force for good or evil in the world today. Then ask him...

82 Odinga  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:05:39pm

The Libtards are nervous about PA!

PITTSBURGH (AP) - U.S. Rep. John Murtha says his home base of western Pennsylvania is racist and that could reduce Barack Obama's victory margin in the state by 4 percentage points.
Link

We must VOTE no matter what goes down in the debate. IGNORE everything. the MSM, the Market , the Talking Heads, the Campaigns. Ignore everything. Don't let the MSM compromise your resolve.

VOTE for McCain/Palin

83 mikeymom  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:06:14pm

i live in a very nice subdivision in no. colorado--there is only 1 obama yard sign on my street and it is next door in a jewish drs yard. I just went to get the mail- and lo and behold--someone put up a huge humongous blow-up snowman! I know it wasn't the dr-- they never decorate for the holidays! i guess my other neighbors have a sense of humor!

84 Dave_Da_Kid  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:06:24pm

re: #70 oh_dude

SWEEP THE LEG.

LMAO!

85 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:07:00pm

re: #43 bulwrk

For the love of God John stop with the "my friends"

BRAVO!

86 rexatosis  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:07:00pm

Hammer Obama on Iran, Ayers, Acorn, Fannie and Freddie, Rev. Wright, Taxes, Socialist Economic Policies, Iraq, and do it again and again and again.

87 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:07:03pm

re: #66 Dianna

Then he's missing out.
CNN is hammering ACORN; Ayers has actually been mentioned.
Rumblings from the depths, perhaps, but I think this is going to blow up big.

He was talking about the networks, the papers, the magazines, the stuff that reaches the MAJORITY OF AMERICANS.

Where as cable TV is not a uncommon as it use to be, if you look at the viewership of any cable news channel, it's no where near network TV and the everyday outlets that people are used to getting their news from.

88 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:07:09pm

Just roll over John, and tuck in to avoid hits to the head. Protect the groin if you can. It will be over in an hour.

89 Rednek  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:07:18pm

Hit Obama on Fannie and Freddie.

Hit the Democrats on their failed social engineering.

Blame your esteemed colleagues and good friends for the mess they have made.

90 Ben Hur  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:07:21pm

Whatever you do, don't remind the American voters that 90+ % of Americans have jobs.

91 sharp_discernment  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:07:27pm

Feeling sick.

92 sparrowlake  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:07:28pm
93 blackpajamas  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:07:33pm

._-=~:[ Funeral Oration, for a Dead Campaign ]:~=-_.

Friends, Americans, Fly-over-countrymen, lend me your earmarks!

Kindle them to burn upon crony capitalism's pyre, and give warning to the campaign of the Socialist abomination crawling the horizon!

Now, I will speak first of the Plague's ancestors, for it is right and seemly that now, when New Dealers are lamenting the chared heap of their General Socialist Enterprises, the GSE, a tribute should be refunded from their ill destiny.

There has never been a time when corrupt agenda did not infest this land,
whereby liberal academic poison, dripped down from generation to generation, has wrenched from rational men control of the commanding heights of the publicly-educated masses,

Even as they are eternally worthy of blame, still more were their fathers, who added to their incompetance, and after many a wretched spasm transmitted to us their entitlement disease upon this great republic.

And their dullard crusades to this day, writhed in the clutches of liberal guilt, have carried the impetus of incompetance further, and have graffitied our cities with foul things, so that they are intellectually insufficient both in economic peace and financial war.

Of the marshalled mental exploits by which our defenses were acquired, or of the energy with which we or our fathers drove back this tide of fools, academic barbarians, I will not speak; for the warnings of Von Mises and Von Hayek should be long familiar to you.

However, before we now raise again the battle standard, we shall point out by what principles of action we rise -- to power, and under what true institutions and through what real manner of life our republic becomes great.

For we conceive that critical thoughts, though absent in the diatribe of the Liberal, are not unsuited to any occasion, and that this numerous assembly of citizens and strangers may profitably listen to them.

Therefore, as the host of the Socialist abomination streaks forward wild-eyed to the coronation of their intellectual Emperor with no clothes,
bear in mind that history has witnessed, withstood, and broken such abject idiocy before, upon capitalist foundations no command economy can destroy.

Thus, when the Socialist leviathan of infinitely expanding government demands more taxes from you and your clan, more food from your plate, and more of your life's energy for their arbitrarily determined wages, cast out to them concrete examples of defiance, plunging their feather weight minds into the cool vast depths of free market perception.

Tell them all their foolish ideas have already been tried, even in, and especially in, developed first world nations (not just podunk Soviet borscht belts), via popular election, with the full power of representative government, and those ideas even then STILL failed rapidly and massively, like a toxic shock to a national economic body un-vaccinated against the rational expectations of the surrounding world and -- more importantly -- the expectations, desires, and dreams of its own citizens.

Tell them of the year 1981. Tell them of the ascendency of the 5th Republic, the popularly elected regime of the Socialist saviour, Mitterand, and of their collosal collective failure:

"The French Socialists began with the boldest drive in recent decades to implement "more state" in the industrial world ... Mitterand's program was an amalgam of Keynsian economic management, nationalization, and state control. But ideology would not be able to resist cold econmic realities." [YG]

(end part 1)

94 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:07:34pm

re: #66 Dianna

Then he's missing out.

CNN is hammering ACORN; Ayers has actually been mentioned.

Rumblings from the depths, perhaps, but I think this is going to blow up big.

I haven't watched CNN in awhile, but I guess late last week Hugh Hewitt or Laura Ingraham was using audio from one CNN segment that went more in-depth on the Ayers and ACORN accusations than '0bama was just a kid when Ayers was setting off those bombs'

95 arethusa  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:07:44pm

re: #79 Ben Hur

I don't think the media is going to torpedo Obama (I wish), but I also remember how the media torpedoed the candidacy of their boy Howard Dean in 2004 over that "Scream." Which was nowhere near as bad as they made it out to be.

The media is extremely liberal, but sometimes it is also very conservative and doesn't like "new things." Maybe it will occur to them to do to Obama what they did to Dean. We can hope.

96 Dianna  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:07:49pm

re: #78 joncelli

They're just fumbling for a way to defuse these issues before the election.

"Fumbling" being the operative word.

This is deadly stuff to most Americans. Fraud takes our votes away.

97 hillbilly geek  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:08:02pm

Too bad Acorn's aren't edible... John could snack on 'em during the debate... Maybe someone could make some candy acorns, like candy corn! A sweet conversation starter...

98 maddogg  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:08:17pm

re: #15 joecitizen

he doesn't 'owe' us anything..but he put himself up in this position and he damn well better fight for it!

I disagree with you Joe, McCain ran for and managed to win the right to represent our party in the election for CEO of this country. A country paid for by the blood of our forefathers, our contemporaries, and John McCain himself. He owes his country freedom from socialism by virtue of taking representation. He owes the Founding Fathers fidelity to the principles that founded this country. When he took the nomination, he no longer belonged to himself, but to this country, for at least the term of office he serves. He becomes CEO, and a vassal to the Constitution.

99 Opinionated  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:08:30pm

McCain needs to mention what Jackson said about Israel.

Obama will retort that Jackson is not part of his campaign and doesn't know his views.

That will be an huge opening for McCain to bring in all of Obama's radical associations.

McCain can then ask Obama why Jackson would assume such policies? Is it because Jackson, knows Chicago politics and players. Jackson knows that if you are in the crowd of Wright and Ayres and if Farrakhan likes you, and you associate with PLO member Khalid Rashidi, then you most likely share their views.

This isn't an attack by McCain. It's just an explanation of what Jackson must be thinking.

100 arethusa  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:08:50pm

re: #97 hillbilly geek

Too bad Acorn's aren't edible... John could snack on 'em during the debate... Maybe someone could make some candy acorns, like candy corn! A sweet conversation starter...

Or he could just lean across the table and offer some to The One!

101 HelloDare  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:08:50pm

re: #80 goddessoftheclassroom

I am truly disappointed. I credited him with more discernment than that.

I am disappointed and shocked. It makes no sense. Hitchens is and was such a strong defender of the Iraq War yet he is for the guy who would have handed victory to the enemy. It just doesn't make any sense.

102 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:08:51pm

Heavens, I can't even believe that I'm a writer when I read my posts, AFTER I HIT THE POST BUTTON.

Hell, I'm not worried about my typing, not when I'm fired up.

103 Ben Hur  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:08:59pm

re: #89 Rednek


Hit Obama on Fannie and Freddie.

You know, in England that means something different all together.

104 Odinga  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:09:29pm

“Madonna and Guy Ritchie have agreed to divorce after seven-and-a-half years of marriage, their representatives confirmed today.

“They have both requested that the media maintain respect for their family at this difficult time.”


Bwaaahhhhh! Did MAD ONNA respect Palin and her family? Does Madonna respect anything? Total Ho.

105 joecitizen  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:09:37pm

re: #98 maddogg

I disagree with you Joe, McCain ran for and managed to win the right to represent our party in the election for CEO of this country. A country paid for by the blood of our forefathers, our contemporaries, and John McCain himself. He owes his country freedom from socialism by virtue of taking representation. He owes the Founding Fathers fidelity to the principles that founded this country. When he took the nomination, he no longer belonged to himself, but to this country, for at least the term of office he serves. He becomes CEO, and a vassal to the Constitution.

I think that's pretty much what I said..heh

106 blackpajamas  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:09:38pm

(start part 2)

"Mitterand and his associates were determined to assert government sway over the economy. They launched a broad set of measures intended to stimulate the economy out of its sluggishness ... At the same time, the state increased its control and coordination of the major industries to ensure that they acted in the "right way".

"It nationalized banks (96% of deposits) and many large industrial corporations, and took controlling interest in many other companies. It vastly increased social spending, cut an hour from the work week with no loss of pay, increased paid vacations from four to five weeks, and hired another hundred thousand government workers."

"This program of public spending and nationalization, along with increased taxes on high incomes, became known as la relance -- or "the relaunching".

"But la relance immediately set off widespread panic in the capital markets, leading to continued assults on the value of the French currency. Instead of stimulating growth, la relance bred inflation, stimulated capital flight, and drained money out of the treasury."

"Unemployment increased dramatically. The newly nationalized industries were losing enormous amounts of money, contributing mightily to the swelling budget defecit. France was heading for bankruptcy, and the Socialists for disaster."

Tell them Socialism DOES NOT WORK.

Tell them the fundamental flaw of Socialism: There is no efficient price function. Only a free market can establish price efficiently. Any government attempts to set prices will ALWAYS fail; whether or not it be prices for grain, medical care, mortgage debt, or, Lord help us, Moon Pies.

For the Republican candidate to become Commander-in-Chief,

Call out your enemy, rekindle confidence in the base, inspire swing voters, and terrify enough of the foe into crossing the line, by storming talk radio, major conservative blogs, and planting a stake into the ground declaring:

"I shall reduce the size of the government, lower taxes, cut spending, fire lazy government workers, break the teacher's unions, destroy tenure, eliminate state ownership and subsidy of mortgage lending institutions and banks, divide thoroughly corrupt political orgy ridden states like California (the largest contributor to the global mortgage-debt nightmare) into three separate electoral college regions, and reduce term limits in Congress to a single term."

Then, and only then, by burying the enemy's campaign, and no longer your own, you will win.

[YG] Yergin, Stanislaw, The Commanding Heights, The Battle For The World Economy, 2002, NY, NY.

(end part 2)

107 JohnnyReb  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:09:40pm

Sadly I am going to miss the debate. We have our monthly VFW meeting and have some serious (money) issues to discuss.

108 Dianna  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:10:09pm

re: #80 goddessoftheclassroom

I am truly disappointed. I credited him with more discernment than that.

I bow to no one in my slavish adoration of Hitchens, he cannot be relied on when someone promises Marxist sounding stuff. Because he is a Marxist.

109 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:10:54pm
110 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:11:35pm

re: #98 maddogg

I disagree with you Joe, McCain ran for and managed to win the right to represent our party in the election for CEO of this country. A country paid for by the blood of our forefathers, our contemporaries, and John McCain himself. He owes his country freedom from socialism by virtue of taking representation. He owes the Founding Fathers fidelity to the principles that founded this country. When he took the nomination, he no longer belonged to himself, but to this country, for at least the term of office he serves. He becomes CEO, and a vassal to the Constitution.

uhh. What about when Obama accepted the nomination?

111 SagamoreGal  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:11:46pm

re: #99 Opinionated

"McCain can then ask Obama why Jackson would assume such policies? Is it because Jackson, knows Chicago politics and players. Jackson knows that if you are in the crowd of Wright and Ayres and if Farrakhan likes you, and you associate with PLO member Khalid Rashidi, then you most likely share their views.

This isn't an attack by McCain. It's just an explanation of what Jackson must be thinking."

He can sum up this section by telling Obama that "if Rev Jackson doesn't cut off your balls, I will." Or would that be racist?

112 DeafDog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:11:46pm

re: #72 SagamoreGal

Bring The Plumber from Ohio as your special guest and during any "free debate" portion you may be given, ask Obama if he remembers talking to this man a few days ago...

You mean Vic Mackey?

113 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:11:54pm

re: #97 hillbilly geek

Too bad Acorn's aren't edible... John could snack on 'em during the debate... Maybe someone could make some candy acorns, like candy corn! A sweet conversation starter...

Acorn's are edible. When I lived in Brooklyn in the 50's, as a boy, I use to walk to school, through a park, and in the fall, I would pick up acorns, put them in my pocket, and crack them open in class and nibble on the nut.

Ain't saying they tasted really good, bitter, but edible.

I don't think it affected me in any way,,,, in any way,,,,, in any way,,,,, smack.... that's better.

114 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:12:02pm

re: #65 A Kiwi Infidel

Those who started the sell off will be buying back in tomorrow. Expect the DOW to rise another 700, then the sell off will begin again, and the so the cycle continues.

And so the Lemming market(C) continues.

Copyright 2008- Cold Raptor

115 RaiderDan  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:12:04pm

Unfortunately, I think McCain will sadly listen to the mainstream media voices who are calling him "racist" and he will back off and then look forward to be rehabilitated by the same Washington press which savaged him so, because he chose to lose "nobly" to the annointed one.

Sarah Palin on the other hand is Ronald Reagan with nicer gams. She can sink the knife with a charming smile on her face. The left is terrified of her.

Palin/Jindal 2012!

116 hillbilly geek  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:12:12pm

re: #100 arethusa

Eeee-xcellent idea! Nice, arethusa!

117 Iron Fist  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:12:20pm

Guns and ammo are always a good investment. Something to keep in mind as the Obamessiah comes closer to being crowned God-Emporer.

118 JacksonTn  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:12:27pm

re: #41 taxfreekiller

Get a copy of those fake fraud voters Michale Malkin has up on her web site, ask him what he thinks of that and ACORN . Advise him that fraud allows the lifting of the corporate veil, and the directors of all the ACORN operations nation wide to be sued individually, WOULD YOU SUPPORT THIS ?

are they allowed props? I know Obama camp going around showing a pic of McCain at an event co-sponsored by Acorn way before all this crap was brought out ....... I am sure that is what Obama will come back with about Acorn .... ass .....

119 HelloDare  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:12:43pm

Seems like the stock market is moving inversely with the Obama polls.

120 Dianna  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:12:44pm

re: #91 sharp_discernment

Feeling sick.

Breathe. Do not allow yourself to panic.

121 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:12:46pm

By the way, should 0bama win, how many lizards will be skittering off to Canada (ironically with a more conservative government) for sanctuary?

122 hillbilly geek  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:13:30pm

re: #113 Walter L. Newton

Heh! Technically, yes, but you have to soak them to get the tannin out.

123 bosforus  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:13:33pm

re: #121 Fenway_Nation

By the way, should 0bama win, how many lizards will be skittering off to Canada (ironically with a more conservative government) for sanctuary?

Not I. Abandoning ship ain't an option.

124 joecitizen  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:13:36pm

re: #121 Fenway_Nation

By the way, should 0bama win, how many lizards will be skittering off to Canada (ironically with a more conservative government) for sanctuary?


Lizards stay and FIGHT!

125 maddogg  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:13:40pm

re: #110 unrealizedviewpoint

uhh. What about when Obama accepted the nomination?

It meant that half of the country went dirt stupid.

126 JacksonTn  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:13:54pm

re: #69 jill e

McCain should look at this as Democracy vs. Socialism and show a little bit of that temper we've all heard about.

my family was just discussing that today ...... say the word Socialist .......but then maybe to some people they don't fear that .......

Some Americans have a very short memory ...........I guess 7 years is just too long ago for them ......

127 lesbianrainforest  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:14:03pm

Battle conditions, John. Relax, take a deep breath and DON"T BE YOUR NORMAL FREAKIN" SELF FOR ONCE IN THE GODDAMN CAMPAIGN YOU SISSY ASSHAT. OBAMA MUST BE DEFEATED AT ANY AND ALL COSTS INCLUDING LOOSING THE POLITENESS CONTEST. COUNTRY FIRST. COUNTRY FIRST. COUNTRY FIRST.

128 joncelli  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:14:18pm

re: #121 Fenway_Nation

Leftists do that. I'm an American and I stay in America.

129 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:14:22pm

re: #125 maddogg

It meant that half of the country went dirt stupid.

Let's hope only 49%

130 BackwardsBoy  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:14:24pm

...and in reply to the second question, ask him why he thinks the US should invade an ally. Then ask him why he's letting Jessie Jackson dictate foreign policy. Then ask him...

131 yma o hyd  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:14:25pm

When does the debate kick off?

132 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:14:52pm

re: #121 Fenway_Nation

By the way, should 0bama win, how many lizards will be skittering off to Canada (ironically with a more conservative government) for sanctuary?

I'd be lying if I said the thought hadn't occured to me. Should Obama win the Canadian dollar will probably fare much better than the greenback as well. Still, I just don't know if I can live in a country where the casinos charge you for your liquor.

133 joecitizen  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:15:18pm

re: #127 lesbianrainforest
dinged ya down for 'sissy ass hat'...

134 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:15:18pm

re: #127 lesbianrainforest

...OBAMA MUST BE DEFEATED AT ANY AND ALL COSTS INCLUDING LOOSING THE POLITENESS CONTEST. COUNTRY FIRST. COUNTRY FIRST. COUNTRY FIRST.

repeat

135 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:15:48pm

re: #133 joecitizen

dinged ya down for 'sissy ass hat'...

I just edited it. :)

136 zombie  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:16:11pm

HELP!

I have a big zombietime essay I need to upload IMMEDIATELY. Before the debate.

But I can't think straight and need feedback. I'm too rushed to get a clear view.

Here it is:

The Left's Big Blunder: The disastrously counter-productive strategy of Obama's supporters

Tell me how it can be improved/fixed. You have only 15 minutes!

THANKS IN ADVANCE!

137 DeafDog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:16:24pm

re: #121 Fenway_Nation

By the way, should 0bama win, how many lizards will be skittering off to Canada (ironically with a more conservative government) for sanctuary?

I don't know about that, but speaking economics - Lizards (and non-lizards) will be highly motivated to invest outside the US if the Cap gain tax rate goes up. That's a fact.

138 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:16:33pm

BIG MARKET VOLATILITY IS RIPPING US OFF! ! ! ! ! 1

139 Iron Fist  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:17:09pm

re: #138 Dirk Diggler

You can say that again.

140 irish rose  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:17:14pm

For a while this afternoon I debated chucking my regular evening at the pub. After all, I reasoned, I can lay aside my golden pint of Woodchuck, my accordion, "Maggie in the Woods" and the other assorted Irish tunes for just one evening.

Thank goodness common sense finally kicked in, around 3pm.

I'll be home after pub tonight to check out the Mavericks' performance, and the comments here... 10ish.

Tonight, I raise a pint to John McCain.
May his promise to finally, FINALLY kick Barack Obamas' fookin' arse to the curb be everything that he said it will be... and everything that it should be.

141 sparrowlake  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:17:14pm

re: #120 Dianna

Breathe. Do not allow yourself to panic.


Do not touch the sell button, and keep your finger off the trigger.

142 bhjets  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:17:21pm

Time for a football analogy. Press and most everybody anointed the Patriots undefeated before they even played the Super Bowl. Giants basically said screw you....we're going after Brady and if we lose, we lose. They went after him balls out and Brady could not play his game. McCain can do the same thing. Polls and press are meaningless.....Go after Obama! Don't let him play his game. Don't let him breath. If you lose, you lose but let him know he is in a fight. If McCain does this I think Obama and the Pats will end up with the same rep..cheating losers who couldn't close the deal.

143 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:17:25pm

Putting on the foil.

144 zombie  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:17:28pm

I'm serious about comment #136. Any and all suggestions, no matter how harsh or trivial or huge or whatever, are MUCH appreciated! I have to get up out into the blogosphere ASAP, like in less than 20 minutes.

145 arethusa  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:17:37pm

Obama's talking points for the media re: the debate.

Where are the lizard talking points?

146 sharp_discernment  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:17:39pm

re: #120 Dianna

I'm going to be watching with one eye closed and fingers positioned to go right in my ears if McCain does that same soft ball sh*t. Disgust wouldn't BEGIN to describe my emotions. It got dang near close to it at the last election. No one has handed Obama the truth straight to his face or held his feet to the fire because he's so slippery. McCain has GOT to do that, eye to eye and man to man.

147 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:17:47pm

Why so early? Nobody's going to see it.

148 Dianna  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:17:58pm

re: #124 joecitizen

Lizards stay and FIGHT!

Yes!

I'm not giving up my country - or my state, or my county, or my Bay Area - without a fight!

149 mama winger  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:18:39pm

re: #80 goddessoftheclassroom

I am truly disappointed. I credited him with more discernment than that.

I didn't.

150 calcajun  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:19:04pm

Senator McCain,

Please make the following points tonight:

1. The sub-prime crisis had its origins in the Clinton era.
2. The potential problems were seen in the late 1990's
3. The current administration has tried every year since 2003 to remedy the problems.
4. The failure to do so is a combination of both Democrat obstructionism and a lack of resolve by the then GOP House and Senate leadership.
5. By 2006, the damage was done.
6. That the culture of corruption decried by the Democrats is alive and well in their own party;
a. Tim Mahoney is worse than Mark Foley; Foley never paid hush money
b. Nancy Pelosi knew about this scandal and never did a thing
c. No Democrat, other than one courageous Representative from Alabama, will acknowledge their complicity in the present crisis.
d. Senator Obama is getting housing advice from the architect responsible for the melt-down at Fannie Mae and another was on the steering committee that selected Joe Biden.
7. Senator Obama's economic plan will deliver tax cuts, only after the Bush tax cuts are allowed to expire.
8. Senator Obama's tax plan will pay money to people who do not pay taxes at all at present
9. Senator Obama's tax plan is Huey Long's Share the Wealth plan revivied.
10. Explain why Senator Obama's health care plan is no plan at all and will result in a system akin the to UK's national health service, or worse.
11. Explain, in detail, how your tax plan will work.
12. Explain, in detail, how you will pay for your energy plan.
13. Explain, in detail, how the bail-out is not a bail-out and how the Federal government might make money.
14. Mention the Iranian motor vessel seized by pirates in August and how the Russians think it was meant to be a giant dirty bomb--and that Obama wants to meet with the man who authorized such an act.

I could go on, but work beckons...

151 sharp_discernment  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:19:21pm

re: #120 Dianna

I meant last DEBATE! See how delirious I am?

152 mama winger  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:19:30pm

re: #101 HelloDare

I am disappointed and shocked. It makes no sense. Hitchens is and was such a strong defender of the Iraq War yet he is for the guy who would have handed victory to the enemy. It just doesn't make any sense.

He's an ass.

153 irish rose  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:19:36pm

re: #149 mama winger

I didn't.


Me either.

154 mattm  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:20:20pm

Politely call out BHO on his tax increases and what he really wants to do vs. his BS ads. Cal him out on Wright and his 20 year relationship, his flip-flip on Iraq, etc. We can not afford Obama.

155 subsailor68  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:20:45pm

I suppose Sen. McCain does need to at least address Ayers, as so many ads/comments have been made (by the campaign and committee), and knowing that Sen. Obama's talking points are geared to responding...

Perhaps something like this:

"Senator Obama, let me be clear as to why your relationship with William Ayers troubles me. It isn't even so much that his terrorist acts occurred so long ago, nor even that you were only eight when they did. No, Senator, what troubles me is that William Ayers is unrepentant to this day. You have worked with him, socialized with him, and know - or should know - that he has no regrets other than possibly "not having done enough"....Senator, that is precisely what troubles me."

156 maddogg  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:20:47pm

re: #138 Dirk Diggler

BIG MARKET VOLATILITY IS RIPPING US OFF! ! ! ! ! 1

The trend is your friend. If there ain't no trend, there ain't no friends.

157 calcajun  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:21:16pm

re: #93 blackpajamas

Well, aren't we just a ray of sunshine. Excuse me while I go drink my lunch.///

158 sharp_discernment  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:21:33pm

I want John McCain to say ONE word....SOCIALISM

If he says it I'll be cheering my a$$ off!

159 Infidel_One  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:21:44pm

re: #72 SagamoreGal

Bring The Plumber from Ohio as your special guest and during any "free debate" portion you may be given, ask Obama if he remembers talking to this man a few days ago...

Obama's game plan for the debate would be thrown so off kilter, he could never recover. He might just have to talk about pies for the rest of the debate.

Also, bring some acorns in your pocket just to toss around the stage while Obambi is pontificating. (o:

Just what we need...more pie talk
Sweet Potato Pie
Coconut Cream Pie
Lemon Meringue Pie
Hey maybe he could break his record of mentioning pie 15 times in
one session.

160 arethusa  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:22:27pm
161 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:22:40pm

re: #158 sharp_discernment

I want John McCain to say ONE word....SOCIALISM

If he says it I'll be cheering my a$$ off!

Didn't he vote for the bailout? Seems a little hard to rail against Socialism after voting yes on that one.

162 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:22:58pm

re: #115 RaiderDan

Unfortunately, I think McCain will sadly listen to the mainstream media voices who are calling him "racist"...

I will play as an armchair physcotherapist here...

I think McCain has a lot of pent up anger, a lot from his Vietman days. After all, he had to put on a sort of "happy face" to his captors, at least not blowing up in front of them.

And then back here in the states, his temper flairs up once in a while, and he gets a fair share of toungue lashing from the media and public.

I think he tries too hard to display the "turn the other cheek" mentality as part of his life goals.

My Dad voilently abused my Mom, and I promised myself I would NEVER hit a woman or even argue with her. And in the past, trying to live up to that promise, I have at times let myself be treated unfairly becuase I would not stand up for myself.

It's only my opinion, but I see some of that in McCain.

163 hillbilly geek  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:23:08pm

Man, big Z: re: #136 zombie
That's a lotta content! But it's chopped into manageable sections, and seems fairly cogent.
I hope your conclusion is predictive.

164 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:23:28pm

re: #136 zombie

Can you break it up into multiple pages and use larger type?

Great essay. The Solomon Asch reference is right on the money. If you need to shorten it, remove the Clever Hans section.

165 Dime IV  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:23:47pm

I say, "Mac, this is it. We don't want to see you holding on to your timid position. We are not holding on to anything--let The One do that. We are advancing constantly and we’re not interested in holding on to anything except the enemy. We're going to hold on to him by the nose and we're going to kick him in the ass. We're going to KICK THE HELL OUT OF HIM ALL THE TIME AND WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH HIM LIKE CRAP THROUGH A GOOSE!

"All right, you sumbitch--you know how we feel."

166 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:23:49pm

Ask Obama why he showed NO leadership back in '05 by GOING AGAINST HIS OWN PARTY and working with republicans to get some much needed control over FM/FM that could have headed off the 700 billion dollar bailout boondoggle!

At Hot Air

Ask Obama why he keeps lying about the 95% of Americans getting "tax cuts" when 40% don't even pay taxes in the first place, and therefore, this 40% will get a check from our already deeply indebted government!

Ask Obama why he believes in robbing plumbers and other small business owners by taxing them and "spreading around the wealth"!

Ask Obama why he wants our relatively low unemployment rate to go even higher through increased business taxes and capital gains taxes!

167 maddogg  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:24:03pm

Like Ted Nugent said the other night, if you like the cesspool my hometown of Detroit has become under the control of the left, your gonna love Obama...

168 sharp_discernment  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:24:21pm

re: #161 Lizard by the Bay

Yeah, but he doesn't want to "spread the wealth around" with his tax plans. BIG difference.

169 Kenneth  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:24:49pm

re: #136 zombie

A facinating essay Zombie. Excellent!

170 debutaunt  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:24:54pm

re: #127 lesbianrainforest

Battle conditions, John. Relax, take a deep breath and DON"T BE YOUR NORMAL FREAKIN" SELF FOR ONCE IN THE GODDAMN CAMPAIGN YOU SISSY ASSHAT. OBAMA MUST BE DEFEATED AT ANY AND ALL COSTS INCLUDING LOOSING THE POLITENESS CONTEST. COUNTRY FIRST. COUNTRY FIRST. COUNTRY FIRST.

You had me until the unfortunate loosing part.

171 mama winger  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:25:04pm

This is the question I would like to see John ask:

"Senator Obama -

You claim that you will be a champion of the middle class. Yet for twenty years, you subscribed to a so-called "Black Value System" whose main points included "DISAVOWAL of Middleclass-ness".

Can you explain how for twenty years you disavowed the middle class as something to be rejected, and yet now you say you want to help it?

In other words - Were you against the Middle Class before you were for it?"

172 JohnnyReb  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:25:07pm

re: #160 arethusa

Even John "Abscam" Murtha (D-PA) thinks Pennsylvanians are racist!

He is saying that because he is very very worried. And I suspect he thinks his seat is up for grabs in this election. IMO he is trying to make people feel bad for him and Obama. Or this could possibly be a lame excuse for why the One loses PA.

173 Abdul Abulbul Amir  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:25:48pm

Lets here about McCain's vision rather than attacks on Noboma or some goofy scheme or other.

174 BackwardsBoy  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:25:48pm

...then ask him how their children went to school together when Ayers kids are now in their twenties and Obama's are pre-teens. Then ask why he supported Odinga's overthrow of an elected government. Then ask...

175 Spider Mensch  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:25:49pm

advice for McCain?...hmmm..kick obama in the nuts!
/metaphorically speaking of course.

176 calcajun  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:26:31pm

re: #158 sharp_discernment

I want John McCain to say ONE word....SOCIALISM

If he says it I'll be cheering my a$$ off!

He should shout it like "Humperdink!" from The Princess Bride.

177 arethusa  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:26:38pm

re: #168 sharp_discernment

Yeah, but he doesn't want to "spread the wealth around" with his tax plans. BIG difference.

Saw somewhere earlier a fake picture of a butter spread jar called "Obama's Wealth Spread" or something like that.

178 itellu3times  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:26:44pm

re: #175 Spider Mensch

advice for McCain?...hmmm..kick obama in the nuts!
/metaphorically speaking of course.

I metaphorically dinged you up.

179 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:26:59pm

re: #177 arethusa

Saw somewhere earlier a fake picture of a butter spread jar called "Obama's Wealth Spread" or something like that.


Michelle Malkin's site

180 Ezekiel2517  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:27:00pm

The Zero campaign is clearly hoping McCain will steer clear of any mention of Ayers during the debate. The spokesmouths interviewed today on Fox News came across as if they had all read from the same talking points memo, which I'm sure they have.

McCain should hammer Obama on his longtime personal and financial ties to Ayers and Rezko. If the moderator does not bring up the subject of Ayers, McCain should find an opening to mention it.

Obama will try to attack him on the economy which Dems see as McCain's Achilles Heel.

181 itellu3times  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:27:42pm

re: #173 Abdul Abulbul Amir

Lets here about McCain's vision rather than attacks on Noboma or some goofy scheme or other.

Agreed, but want the goofy schemes as well. Specifics, is the name of the game. Engage the voter, then worry about 0bambi.

182 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:27:44pm

Even if I am the only remaining person in the entire country voting for McCain, I'm voting for him.

183 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:27:50pm

re: #176 calcajun

He should shout it like "Humperdink!" from The Princess Bride.

"Get back, Witch!"

184 jopa416  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:28:03pm

He should say that if you are black & you don't for me, then you are a racist. Hey, it is the same as the Obama plan.

185 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:28:10pm

re: #131 yma o hyd

When does the debate kick off?

9PM Eastern.

186 yma o hyd  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:28:20pm

re: #136 zombie

Hope I'm still before your deadline - excellent essay, perhaps that first image, the Obama/ain column diagram is a bit too heavy for the page?
Make it a bit smaller?

187 HelloDare  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:28:30pm

re: #136 zombie

The type is a little hard to read. Paragraphs could use a little air.

188 KingKenrod  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:28:50pm

McCain could win the election and do the GOP some good just by pointing out that the Dems tried to create a $100,000,000 slush fund for ACORN and their ilk in the first bailout bill, which was rejected because the GOP refused to be bullied into supporting it by Pelosi and Reid, and where was Obama during all that, anyway?

McCain went to Washington and got ACORN's money taken out.

189 cblesz  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:29:20pm

re: #184 jopa416

He should say that if you are black & you don't for me, then you are a racist. Hey, it is the same as the Obama plan.

black? you do not have to be black and NOT vote for him to be considered a racist...

190 bosforus  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:29:24pm

re: #183 scottishbuzzsaw

"Get back, Witch!"

"You've never had it so good."

191 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:29:32pm

Sure hope John has the time to read all these posts and suggestions, what with all...
/

192 J.S.  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:29:45pm

re: #80 goddessoftheclassroom

O please, Hitchens is a total jerk...I believe that 20 years ago the guy would be scribbling memos on toilet paper and would never, ever have had anything put into print/published...(the only "published" record would be through a vanity press).

193 DeafDog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:29:56pm

re: #136 zombie

HELP!

I have a big zombietime essay I need to upload IMMEDIATELY. Before the debate.

But I can't think straight and need feedback. I'm too rushed to get a clear view.

Here it is:

The Left's Big Blunder: The disastrously counter-productive strategy of Obama's supporters

Tell me how it can be improved/fixed. You have only 15 minutes!

THANKS IN ADVANCE!

Kudos!

My 'constructive criticsm' is that you are not proving that MSM is engaged in said behavior conformity. We all think that to be the case, but we don't know for sure.

Should the election turn in McCain's favor, you can add the proff on the MSM engaging in the various levels of conformity behavior and make this into a book....seriously.

194 zato  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:30:00pm

Please expose the redhanded comrade's economic track record.

195 joncelli  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:30:12pm

re: #172 JohnnyReb

He's screwed if he loses PA and doesn't get VA and FL. This is actually pretty interesting.

196 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:30:32pm
197 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:30:46pm

re: #136 zombie

HELP!

I have a big zombietime essay I need to upload IMMEDIATELY. Before the debate.

But I can't think straight and need feedback. I'm too rushed to get a clear view.

Here it is:

The Left's Big Blunder: The disastrously counter-productive strategy of Obama's supporters

Tell me how it can be improved/fixed. You have only 15 minutes!

THANKS IN ADVANCE!

Don't.Change.A.Thing.

Excellent piece, and when I get more time to digest it better, I'm going to read it again.

198 odinga  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:30:49pm

re: #80 goddessoftheclassroom

I am truly disappointed. I credited him with more discernment than that.

He writes fluff for Slate! Pure Opinion.
He is an anti-theist. With this as premise it is not unreasonable to deny his existence. He does not exist.

199 Empire1  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:31:04pm

I'm tryitg to decide whether to stay up and watch (dreading McCain's likely performance, from earlier debate evidence), or sack out at my usual time and read about it here in the morning. I'd love to see him come out swinging, but I'm terribly afraid he'll let that "Senate collegiality" keep him on his Mr. Nice Guy routine.

200 zombie  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:31:15pm

re: #182 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Even if I am the only remaining person in the entire country voting for McCain, I'm voting for him.

I'm assuming you read the final sentence of my essay! :

Yet it may very well be that an army of glum, dispirited and pessimistic conservatives will reluctantly trudge to the polls on November 4, each one imagining they are only remaining person in the entire country voting for McCain, and lo and behold -- they'll turn out to be a silent majority after all.
201 Palandine  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:32:13pm

Are we broke yet?

Not me. I went downstairs to head out the door to go to the grocery store to pick up chili fixin's. I looked at my neighbor's pumpkin, which she hadn't carved yet, and a squirrel had chewed through the 3 inches of pumpkin to get to the seeds inside. I've never seen a squirrel do that before.

But he'd probably have a lovely pumpkin-y flavor. As long as I've got him, I guess I'm not broke, yet... :)

202 zombie  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:32:14pm

re: #186 yma o hyd

Hope I'm still before your deadline - excellent essay, perhaps that first image, the Obama/ain column diagram is a bit too heavy for the page?
Make it a bit smaller?

Done.

203 sharp_discernment  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:32:20pm

re: #176 calcajun

Humperdink, Humperdink, HUMPERDINK!

204 jill e  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:32:42pm

Once again...how to win the debate and possibly the election tonight:

Say you're going to put Rudy Giuliani in charge of investigating and prosecuting all the Wall Street fraud, all the Congressional fraud and all the voter registration fraud.

205 yma o hyd  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:32:43pm

re: #185 CyanSnowHawk

9PM Eastern.

Gah - I'll be deep in the Land of Nod by then, no chance, no way can I watch that.
Gotta rely your comments then ...

206 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:32:44pm

re: #170 debutaunt

You had me until the unfortunate loosing part.

Maybe it's a reference to his waistline?

207 WalterMitty  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:32:59pm

Ok John, here's the plan:

A knee to the groin should get his head down low enough for you to get in two, maybe three good punches before you get hauled off stage and restrained.

Sometime tomorrow Sara Palin announces that the RNC has moved her up to the top of the ticket and picked, um, Micheal Steele, J.C. Watts, or Thomas Sowell for V.P.

Landslide for GOP occurs November 4th. Problem solved

/fantasy mode off

208 zombie  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:33:12pm

re: #187 HelloDare

The type is a little hard to read. Paragraphs could use a little air.

But bigger type and wider spacing make it seem even more huge and overwhelming than it already is!

209 redstateredneck  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:33:30pm

re: #196 ploome hineni

who actually put that into the bill? any individual?

Chris Dodd and Barney Frank, I believe.

210 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:33:53pm

OT: How about the Dow?

211 calcajun  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:34:11pm

re: #203 sharp_discernment

Humperdink, Humperdink, HUMPERDINK!

Well, considering the GOP is mostly dead, it can't hurt.

212 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:34:26pm

re: #174 BackwardsBoy

...then ask him how their children went to school together when Ayers kids are now in their twenties and Obama's are pre-teens. Then ask why he supported Odinga's overthrow of an elected government. Then ask...

THese questions don't mean a thing. There are just too many people who are only concerned if they are going to have all the toys and games that they have had for all these years.

Considering the state of the economy right now, it doesn't matter who's fault it was, as long as Obama is talking about "sharing the wealth," there are a whole lot of Americans that are interested in NOTHING more than that.

It a minority of people left in this country who are going to work hard to make things better. JFK could propose that we all buck up together and head for the moon, but that was almost 40 years ago. Most folks in this country are not going to fight for thier supper anymore.

They expect it, it's an entitlement, a right and Obama is promising them that the government will supply it.

Socialism, Marxism, Communism doesn't mean anything to them, they have no historical content in wish to compare it to. Our schools don't teach it, our popular media doesn't show it for what it really is and most folks have lost touch with what this country has had to sacrifice to get to where we are.

Where as I don't like Nationalism that becomes an "ism," in the sense of us against everyone else, but maybe a little dose of Nationalsim would do us some good.

213 Dianna  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:34:30pm

re: #136 zombie

Damn, I'm sorry. I picked exactly the wrong time to check my email.

214 calcajun  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:34:50pm

re: #210 Jetpilot1101

OT: How about the Dow?

Speaking of mostly dead...

215 joncelli  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:34:55pm

re: #208 zombie

The bulk of the essay will be scroll-down territory. On a web page, people are more intimidated by great density than by great length.

216 JohnnyReb  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:35:09pm

Does anyone have the poll stats for where Gore and Kerry were at this point in the election cycle?

If I remember correctly they both were up by 8+ points at this point and I seem to recall Kerry being up by double digits 2 weeks before the election.

217 zombie  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:35:17pm

re: #193 DeafDog

Kudos!

My 'constructive criticsm' is that you are not proving that MSM is engaged in said behavior conformity. We all think that to be the case, but we don't know for sure.

Should the election turn in McCain's favor, you can add the proff on the MSM engaging in the various levels of conformity behavior and make this into a book....seriously.

Yes, I agree that I don't "prove" that the MSM is doing this intentionally, but to do so would literally take a book's worth of evidence -- I have neither the time nor the space to include all the evidence! Good observation though.

218 kansas  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:35:25pm

My advice to John McCain? Let's see, market dropped 770, the most in one day since the 87 crash, on the day of my last fucking debate. Anybody think this is not being manipulated is dense, so I would grab my chest and fall to the floor.

219 IgofAntioch  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:35:36pm

I hope McCain thanks Obama and his party for tanking everyone's retirement accounts tonight.

220 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:36:01pm

re: #152 mama winger

He's an ass.

Hitchens should go back to his trailer park.

/it's satire

221 zombie  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:36:16pm

re: #215 joncelli

The bulk of the essay will be scroll-down territory. On a web page, people are more intimidated by great density than by great length.

I'll see what I can do.

San Serif font? Extra spaces between paragraphs?

222 sharp_discernment  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:36:31pm

re: #204 jill e

Once again...how to win the debate and possibly the election tonight:

Say you're going to put Rudy Giuliani in charge of investigating and prosecuting all the Wall Street fraud, all the Congressional fraud and all the voter registration fraud.

I agree with this totally, and you know Giuliani would be all to happy to oblige. He also needs say that he's going to bring Mitt Romney on as his Secretary of Treasury. He needs to start forming a formidable "team" around him that will "close the deal"..

223 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:36:32pm

re: #219 IgofAntioch

Naw, the Democrats have a plan for that too.

224 yma o hyd  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:36:35pm

Just a reminder, of something Sharmuta posted on another thread:
Keep this here also an Eeyore-free Zone!

225 sparrowlake  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:36:37pm

re: #121 Fenway_Nation

By the way, should 0bama win, how many lizards will be skittering off to Canada (ironically with a more conservative government) for sanctuary?

Welcome...just let us know, we'll organize some special lizard crossings - nice and dry and flat for easy skittering. Oh, just a couple of things - unless you're a criminal you can't bring your guns along. And unless you're a visible minority, you better bring lots of greenbacks to pay all those income and consumption taxes we hold so dear up here. :D

226 gibsonz  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:37:00pm

If the debate goes anything like the previous two, insomnia will not be a problem tonight!

227 vxbush  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:37:05pm

re: #208 zombie

But bigger type and wider spacing make it seem even more huge and overwhelming than it already is!

Can you summarize the big points in a bulleted list, and then link to the relevant section of the big doc? That way, if they know most of this, they can hit just the points they don't know.

/Free advice; free to ignore it

228 HelloDare  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:37:16pm

re: #208 zombie

But bigger type and wider spacing make it seem even more huge and overwhelming than it already is!

Maybe for some people. But for me, the width of the line and the size of the type make it difficult to read. But again, that may be just me. In any case, the piece is great. Congratulations.

229 rudi  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:37:26pm

I'm afraid McCain has neutered himself with regard to the Ayers connection and all the other disturbing associations of the messiah.

If I were Obama, in response to any attack from McCain along these lines, I would simply say "John, you yourself said a few days ago to an audience of supporters, some of whom by the way are frankly extremists, that I am a decent guy and there's nothing to fear in an Obama presidency. So I really don't understand the relevance of all this stuff about Ayers."

230 yma o hyd  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:37:50pm

re: #202 zombie

Done.


That looks excellent now!

Outstanding essay, zombie!

231 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:38:05pm

re: #136 zombie

Add Stanly Milgrim if you can- he was a student of Ashe and conducted research on the influence of authority on conformity. . .You tube video of some of the subjects. . .

232 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:38:35pm
233 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:38:38pm

I'm not sure I can watch tonight's debate. Still mulling it over.

234 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:39:02pm

re: #136 zombie

HELP!

I have a big zombietime essay I need to upload IMMEDIATELY. Before the debate.

But I can't think straight and need feedback. I'm too rushed to get a clear view.

Here it is:

The Left's Big Blunder: The disastrously counter-productive strategy of Obama's supporters

Tell me how it can be improved/fixed. You have only 15 minutes!

THANKS IN ADVANCE!

OMG. Looks like good stuff zombie. I only had time to read the intro and the conclusion, but it looks goods.

typo in the conclusion "last-miniute."

235 kansas  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:39:04pm

re: #229 rudi

I'm afraid McCain has neutered himself with regard to the Ayers connection and all the other disturbing associations of the messiah.

If I were Obama, in response to any attack from McCain along these lines, I would simply say "John, you yourself said a few days ago to an audience of supporters, some of whom by the way are frankly extremists, that I am a decent guy and there's nothing to fear in an Obama presidency. So I really don't understand the relevance of all this stuff about Ayers."

Maybe "John" could refer to "Barack" instead of "Senator Obama"?

236 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:39:06pm

Senator McCain:

Do NOT look at the camera

look at Obama as you attack, attack, attack
throw Acorns on the floor as an accent to the OUTRAGE we Americans all have about his people's attempts to steal an election

attack on Wright, Ayers, Rezko - those are no brainers
but attack the democrat party in total
Murtha - disgracing Marines who were found innocent
again for saying western PA is racist
Foley's replacement - sex crimes in the House
Pelosi - house banking scandal of years ago
and the Freddie/Fannie meltdown thanks to Barney Franks
John Kerry for abetting the enemy in Vietnam
Ted Kennedy for Mary Jo & for hiding the Kennedy fortune in south pacific island nations away from inheritance taxes
Jimmy Carter for Iran, Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Saddam's all their rise to power as terrorist states that they are
and for being the first ex-President to bash a sitting President
Pelosi again for going to Syria and meddling in foreign affairs, and breaking the law/separation of powers in negotiating with foreign powers/treaties

then go after CBS
mention dan Rather and the guard doc's fraud

remind Obama (and remember, don't look at the fucking camera - you're not debating America - you are representing them) and tell him what a bunch of pathetic losers he, the democrats and their allies in the media are

237 sharp_discernment  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:39:09pm

re: #211 calcajun

Well, considering the GOP is mostly dead, it can't hurt.

You forgot the *lisp* for sound effects. :)

McCain, have fun storming the castle!

238 Kenneth  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:39:21pm

re: #225 sparrowlake

And don't come knocking during the hockey game. At least wait till intermission.

239 IgofAntioch  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:39:27pm

re: #223 lawhawk

Naw, the Democrats have a plan for that too.

I really hate the Democrats!

240 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:39:28pm

re: #223 lawhawk

Naw, the Democrats have a plan for that too.

Social Security II?

241 joncelli  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:39:36pm

re: #221 zombie

San Serif font? Extra spaces between paragraphs?

All of the above, and it would be nice if you had an option to increase/decrease point size.

242 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:39:48pm

re: #183 scottishbuzzsaw

"Get back, Witch!"

I'm not a witch, I'm your wife. . .

243 beens21  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:40:17pm

OT, but on the bailout bill which requires the US govt to buy$100bn of preferred stock from 9 banks,I do not see anything that reigns in the 0 down payment subprime loans or scales back Fannie or Freddie from buying toxic paper.any bankers on here know anything on this?

244 snowcrash  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:40:51pm

re: #204 jill e
Yes! There is such anger over the banking/sub prime fiasco that people do want to an investigation that will name names and assign blame. No one except Congress wants to put this behind us.

245 docremulac  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:40:51pm

My advice for McCain:

Stop using all these words, sentences and statements that get in the way of your saying "My friends".

You really risk voters forgetting that you're their friend when you go for more than a few seconds without saying "my friends" but don't be afraid to mix it up. Here's a sample speech:

"My friends, friendly friends find fine friends fun and friendly. Frown on fiends, fend off foes and fund fans of friends."

Sorry all, I wanted Romney for prez. Brilliant speaker, presidential and somebody who actually was an amazing success in his private life. And how handy might it have been to have a financial genius in the Whitehouse right now? I never believed these polls that showed McCain being more popular than him, I think they were all set up by the Democrat scum machine. They also artificially inflated Huckabee's popularity as well I'm sure.

And it worked, they knew they could either beat McCain or have a turncoat Republican in the Whitehouse.

Not a fan. Because this guy blew it we're going to have our first Communist President.

Bummer.

246 Desert Dog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:42:11pm

re: #210 Jetpilot1101

OT: How about the Down?


you forgot the the n
the DOWN Jones Industrialre: #225 sparrowlake

Welcome...just let us know, we'll organize some special lizard crossings - nice and dry and flat for easy skittering. Oh, just a couple of things - unless you're a criminal you can't bring your guns along. And unless you're a visible minority, you better bring lots of greenbacks to pay all those income and consumption taxes we hold so dear up here. :D

As much as I love Canada, I am an American and will stay and fight the good fight, no matter who wins. If Obama wins, he will have 2 years to f*ck up the place, after that, we are coming after the House and Senate. In 2012, if the White House is still there, we will go after that again and we will reclaim it.....

247 DistantThunder  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:42:43pm

Obama is doing a MASSIVE POWER GRAB via Government intrusion into our private family choices and activities.

Obama will control us like he already controls the media.

248 yma o hyd  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:43:02pm

re: #245 docremulac

My advice for McCain:

Stop using all these words, sentences and statements that get in the way of your saying "My friends".

You really risk voters forgetting that you're their friend when you go for more than a few seconds without saying "my friends" but don't be afraid to mix it up. Here's a sample speech:

"My friends, friendly friends find fine friends fun and friendly. Frown on fiends, fend off foes and fund fans of friends."

Sorry all, I wanted Romney for prez. Brilliant speaker, presidential and somebody who actually was an amazing success in his private life. And how handy might it have been to have a financial genius in the Whitehouse right now? I never believed these polls that showed McCain being more popular than him, I think they were all set up by the Democrat scum machine. They also artificially inflated Huckabee's popularity as well I'm sure.

And it worked, they knew they could either beat McCain or have a turncoat Republican in the Whitehouse.

Not a fan. Because this guy blew it we're going to have our first Communist President.

Bummer.


Oi!
No defeatism before 11/05!
Work your socks off so you don't get a Communist President.
Are you going to let yourself be put to shame by the PUMAs?

249 skullkrusher  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:43:15pm

re: #43 bulwrk

came here to say that. It sounds forced and phony. Not pretending to know JMc's mind but it doesn't seem to come naturally for him.

250 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:43:19pm

re: #218 kansas

My advice to John McCain? Let's see, market dropped 770, the most in one day since the 87 crash, on the day of my last fucking debate. Anybody think this is not being manipulated is dense, so I would grab my chest and fall to the floor.

There is manipulation but I think that most of the drop is the free market capitalist getting freaked out by the impending socialization of this country. GWB is an idiot and he is surrounded by inept people who don't have a clue what is going on. If government had kept their greasy little paws off the markets, then we'd be at 4000 by now but at least all the institutions would be failing like they should. Sure times would suck but not as much as it's going to suck with nationalized banks, insurance and a 0 in the white house. Hugo Chavez, eat your heart out. We can socialize way better than you can and do it under the guise of capitalism.

251 Dianna  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:43:37pm

re: #221 zombie

I'll see what I can do.

San Serif font? Extra spaces between paragraphs?

I always use Arial 12 and make sure I've got moderate length paras, and a good break. People get tired, trying to read dense prose on a screen.

252 joncelli  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:43:42pm

I'm not sure my heart can last 20 more days. This is nerve-wracking.

253 Gus 802  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:43:43pm

Let's see, advice for John McCain. Bring up:

1. Taxes, Taxes, Taxes
2. Federal Spending
3. Monolithic Federal Bureaucracy
4. Gun Rights

And finally, he should think about:

My friends.

254 readytofight  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:43:50pm

If the subject of Ayers comes up and obama says people would rather talk about the economics issue; tell him it goes right to the heart of the economic issue because it was the socialist philosophy that bullied the banks into making loans to people who could not afford the houses. It is the ACORN socialist agenda that created the problem.

In fact his association with ACORN and Ayers speaks strongly of an agenda for this country, an agenda the majority of the American people don't want any part of.

Name all the people he has had to distance himself from-that speaks to judgment and ideology, an ideology that is anti-american.

255 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:43:54pm

I wish John would give him the Quayle treatment. . ."Obama, you are not ready to lead, you have not stuck to a single principle under fire, your judgement is such that you continue to find yourself surrounded by people you dod not know, you sir, are NOT a leader, you are a follower, and the American people need leadership"

256 cblesz  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:43:59pm

Anyone see Obambi's latest complain:

“I am convinced that if there were no Fox News, I might be two or three points higher in the polls,” Obama told me. “If I were watching Fox News, I wouldn’t vote for me, right? Because the way I’m portrayed 24/7 is as a freak! I am the latte-sipping, New York Times-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effete, politically correct, arrogant liberal. Who wants somebody like that?
“I guess the point I’m making,” he went on, “is that there is an entire industry now, an entire apparatus, designed to perpetuate this cultural schism, and it’s powerful. People want to know that you’re fighting for them, that you get them. And I actually think I do. But you know, if people are just seeing me in sound bites, they’re not going to discover that. That’s why I say that some of that may have to happen after the election, when they get to know you.”

Is he freaking kidding me? What planet is he living on?

257 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:44:04pm

re: #247 DistantThunder

Obama is doing a MASSIVE POWER GRAB via Government intrusion into our private family choices and activities.

Obama will control us like he already controls the media.

The media are willing disciples. He will find us, the unwilling, much harder to control.

258 HelloDare  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:44:25pm

re: #245 docremulac

If only McCain would stop saying, "My friends", and Obama would slip and start saying, "Comrades."

259 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:44:32pm

- We don't know anything about him
- What little we do know is bad (Ayers & Dohrn, Rezko, he's neck-deep in ACORN vote fraud and the housing mess, and then there's the rabid leftist base, his Marxism, racism, infanticide, you name it)
- Pelosi, Reid, and the Dems running rampant with Obama in charge really WOULD be "More of the same", or worse. Hey, we've got these things called Checks and Balances, right? How well do you think they'd work in THAT Administration? How do you all feel about Socialist societal engineering in the middle of this mess? Do you really trust them with your money?
- Obama is lying to you pretty much constantly and I'm sorry I haven't called him on it, that stops now (95%, his Iraq plan, all his positions since the primaries), and by the way, he's also flat-out lying about me, my votes, and my policies (give examples. Write 'em on your note cards, John)
- I just introduced my economic plan on Tuesday and it would work a lot better than his (see also: Obama lies)
- Do you really want to hand over the keys to the national Ferrari to a guy with no experience, no legislation, no history, no ideas, who's supporters slander and lie about my ticket day in and day out? The media doesn't elect Presidents, you do, and you shouldn't be afraid to make your choice because of trumped-up charges of racism, or Obama Chicago Machine thuggery. This is not the time to gamble with the Presidency.

Thank you and good night.

Shoot straight, tell the truth, don't put up with any bullshit from Robin, state your case, don't bluster. Give Giuliani a call and have him advise you. Talk to Sarah. And above all, don't let that little weasel call you a liar in public again.

260 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:44:34pm
261 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:44:40pm

re: #252 joncelli

I'm not sure my heart can last 20 more days. This is nerve-wracking.

My dr. has been very displeased with my BP lately...;>)

262 DeafDog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:45:50pm

re: #175 Spider Mensch

advice for McCain?...hmmm..kick obama in the nuts!
/metaphorically speaking of course.


I'd pay to see that.....we all would. In fact, this may remove the need for a tax hike. Just take a national collection of all those willing to pay to watch McCain kick Obama in the nuts.

263 Dianna  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:46:24pm

re: #245 docremulac

You're not helping.

264 snowcrash  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:46:35pm

re: #253 Gus 802
He ought to write it on a dry erase board and take it on stage with him. These are the important issues! The defining issues.

265 yma o hyd  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:46:45pm

re: #260 taxfreekiller

Now, lgf'ers,, do not count your chickens as hatched in this debate tonight,
Rome was not built by one debate, do not build it up to much, its not the debate that will win the deal, Nov. 4th and every last sob votes no matter what, go after these dam third party screw balls, tell them if they want a chance to ever get any voice, if they allow Obama a win by their % not going to McCain, they have the most to loose.

like that to the 3rd party ones,

JUST VOTE , the debate is just fore play

You've hit the nail on the head, again, tfk.

Gazillion updings, sorry I can only give you one.

266 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:46:46pm

re: #262 DeafDog

I'd pay to see that.....we all would. In fact, this may remove the need for a tax hike. Just take a national collection of all those willing to pay to watch McCain kick Obama in the nuts.

Better hurry, before Jesse rips 'em off.

267 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:47:12pm

tfk is the conscience of lgf

268 littleoldlady  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:47:12pm

re: #221 zombie

I'll see what I can do.

San Serif font? Extra spaces between paragraphs?

The font is fine. More pictures/graphs? Full page widths are hard to read; any piece is easier to read when the column width is smaller. Also, if you make the subheads a bit bigger and/or bolder it will break up the massiveness a bit more.

In the graphic arts biz we used to look at a page like this and say, "That's a lot of words!"

/good words, BTW! :-)

269 J.S.  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:47:12pm

I've decided not to watch the debate...can't do it. I've already voted -- cast my ballot (absentee) for McCain/Palin...(frankly all of this political stuff gets to me...it's way too much...I hope for the best, but I'm also prepared for the worst.)

270 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:47:23pm

re: #256 cblesz

this sounds ominous
Fox better find this out and start worrying
I can see the FCC revoking their license come 1-21-2009

like George Bush SHOULD HAVE DONE to CBS after the guard story

271 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:47:24pm

re: #256 cblesz

Anyone see Obambi's latest complain:

“I am convinced that if there were no Fox News, I might be two or three points higher in the polls,” Obama told me. “If I were watching Fox News, I wouldn’t vote for me, right? Because the way I’m portrayed 24/7 is as a freak! I am the latte-sipping, New York Times-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effete, politically correct, arrogant liberal. Who wants somebody like that?
“I guess the point I’m making,” he went on, “is that there is an entire industry now, an entire apparatus, designed to perpetuate this cultural schism, and it’s powerful. People want to know that you’re fighting for them, that you get them. And I actually think I do. But you know, if people are just seeing me in sound bites, they’re not going to discover that. That’s why I say that some of that may have to happen after the election, when they get to know you.”

You are all Fox watching racists. . .uh uh uh Waffle?

Is he freaking kidding me? What planet is he living on?

Fixed it, he is on planet Obama. . .

272 Desert Dog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:47:26pm

re: #256 cblesz

Yes, perhaps he is right....BUT, if the rest of the MSM was not kissing up to Obama so badly, he would be losing this election right now. I find that comment amazing. He knows 90% of the media is pushing for him, but all he seems to care about is Foxs News....one of the only news outlets to actually look at him for what he is: a radical empty suit....if you refined Obama down to his essence, all you would find would be pure ambition and nothing else.....

273 Palandine  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:47:26pm

re: #258 HelloDare

If only McCain would stop saying, "My friends", and Obama would slip and start saying, "Comrades."

From Glenn Beck (sung to the tune of the Soviet National Anthem):

OBAMA ANTHEM LYRICS

All hail the messiah
Obama, Obama
The path to the new socialist motherland
Our savior, our savior
Obama, Obama
The leader more famous than Lindsay Lohan
Bow down and praise the one
Give him your money and your guns
Give us a country
That makes your wife proud
Lord Barry heal the bitter ones
White and Clinging to faith and to guns
Hope for the change of the hope of the change!

274 Jamie  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:48:05pm

re: #150 calcajun


Tim Mahoney is worse than Mark Foley; Foley never paid hush money

Not so. Mahoney is a scumbag, but at least he was sticking to adults. Foley was trying to bed teenage boys.

275 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:48:09pm

re: #269 J.S.

I've decided not to watch the debate...can't do it. I've already voted -- cast my ballot (absentee) for McCain/Palin...(frankly all of this political stuff gets to me...it's way too much...I hope for the best, but I'm also prepared for the worst.)

I'll watch it but if it turns into a snoozer, the PS3 is coming on and I'll be kicking some ass on Warhawk tonight!

276 JSK1121  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:48:57pm

re: #275 Jetpilot1101

I'll watch it but if it turns into a snoozer, the PS3 is coming on and I'll be kicking some ass on Warhawk tonight!

NHL 09 or NBA 2K9 for me.

277 zombie  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:49:29pm

re: #227 vxbush

Can you summarize the big points in a bulleted list, and then link to the relevant section of the big doc? That way, if they know most of this, they can hit just the points they don't know.

/Free advice; free to ignore it

That was my original plan, but it seemed too off-putting right at the top of the page.

Maybe I'll rethink it right now.

278 JohnAdams  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:50:00pm

re: #136 zombie

Dang, Zombie. Impressive essay. If McCain actually pulls this one off your essay will be studied in Political Science courses for decades.

279 sharp_discernment  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:50:02pm

re: #254 readytofight

If the subject of Ayers comes up and obama says people would rather talk about the economics issue; tell him it goes right to the heart of the economic issue because it was the socialist philosophy that bullied the banks into making loans to people who could not afford the houses. It is the ACORN socialist agenda that created the problem.

In fact his association with ACORN and Ayers speaks strongly of an agenda for this country, an agenda the majority of the American people don't want any part of.

Name all the people he has had to distance himself from-that speaks to judgment and ideology, an ideology that is anti-american.

HERE HERE! I agree, he REALLY needs to lay out the time lines and events, and the SOCIALISE IDEOLOGIES behind it in a cohesive way which led us to the financial catostrophe we're in. I would go so far as to say that it was a conspiracy to topple capitilism which has come together in a perfect storm, and Obama and his allies were at the helm causing it. I doubt McCain is willing to go that far or that deep since he said "We don't have to worry about an Obama presidency".

280 zombie  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:50:25pm

re: #228 HelloDare

Maybe for some people. But for me, the width of the line and the size of the type make it difficult to read. But again, that may be just me. In any case, the piece is great. Congratulations.

Should I make the width of the text be "fixed width"? I intended to, but was warned off, because fixed width is supposed to be a retro-no-no.

281 yma o hyd  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:50:26pm

re: #270 Adrenalyn

this sounds ominous
Fox better find this out and start worrying
I can see the FCC revoking their license come 1-21-2009

like George Bush SHOULD HAVE DONE to CBS after the guard story

I can't see any government actually trying to go and lock horns with Rupert Murdoch. FOX may be made to 'change', but revoking their licence? No way!

282 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:50:39pm

re: #274 Jamie

Not so. Mahoney is a scumbag, but at least he was sticking to adults. Foley was trying to bed teenage boys.

I don't know if he was necessarily trying to bed them. He sent lewd text messages when he was drunk and never once touched one of them. I'm not defending the man, I think both men are scum but I would be willing to bet Foley only got really horny after a couple glasses of scotch. Mahoney the "moral" candidate was screwing another woman and tried to cover it up.

283 calcajun  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:51:10pm

re: #219 IgofAntioch

re: #237 sharp_discernment

McCain should approach him with the line, "My name is Inigo Montoya..."////

284 redstateredneck  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:51:17pm

re: #275 Jetpilot1101

I'll watch it but if it turns into a snoozer, the PS3 is coming on and I'll be kicking some ass on Warhawk tonight!


I told my daughter last night that I was going to have to Tivo Project Runway to watch the debate. She said, "mom...it's the finale of Project Runway. We find out who wins tonight. Nobody's gonna win that debate; Tivo it." She's got a point there.

285 zombie  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:51:28pm

re: #231 DisturbedEma

Add Stanly Milgrim if you can- he was a student of Ashe and conducted research on the influence of authority on conformity. . .You tube video of some of the subjects. . .

I considered it, but I thought Milgram was off-topic for this particular essay.

286 Ben Hur  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:51:30pm
“I am convinced that if there were no Fox News, I might be two or three points higher in the polls,” Obama told me. “If I were watching Fox News, I wouldn’t vote for me, right? Because the way I’m portrayed 24/7 is as a freak! I am the latte-sipping, New York Times-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effete, politically correct, arrogant liberal. Who wants somebody like that?

“I guess the point I’m making,” he went on, “is that there is an entire industry now, an entire apparatus, designed to perpetuate this cultural schism, and it’s powerful. People want to know that you’re fighting for them, that you get them. And I actually think I do. But you know, if people are just seeing me in sound bites, they’re not going to discover that. That’s why I say that some of that may have to happen after the election, when they get to know you.”

[Link: hotair.com...]

287 Ben Hur  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:52:09pm

re: #286 Ben Hur

Just in case you missed it above 2 effen minutes ago.

288 wintercat  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:52:23pm

I think McCain must concentrate on Obama's socialist policies. He can slip in a few things about Obama's relationship with Ayers and their mutual adoration for socialism and small "c" communism but the focus must be on economics. I had lunch with a friend who was going on about how much safer she felt with Obama and his economic policies because Obama has, "modified his original plan to take so much money from the middle class. Besides, he seems so much more sophisticated". I didn't really say much. She is already a gonner. Too bad for her too because her family is in the over $250 a year bracket.

One more thing, I am certain Obama is going to become "offended" if McCain brings Ayers up. I hope McCain has been working on a great response to an offended Obama.

289 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:52:40pm

re: #208 zombie

But bigger type and wider spacing make it seem even more huge and overwhelming than it already is!

You don't need big type or wide spacing.

People simply find smaller paragraphs easier to read. Shorter sentences, and no more than 3 per paragraph is helpful. People find some "white space" in any written material to be more restful, and are more likely to read the full thing if they don't get tired out. For some people (like moi for instance), their brains can make better sense of a short paragraph than a long one.

290 JohnnyReb  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:52:49pm

re: #270 Adrenalyn

this sounds ominous
Fox better find this out and start worrying
I can see the FCC revoking their license come 1-21-2009

like George Bush SHOULD HAVE DONE to CBS after the guard story

President Bush does not work like that. Fortunately he plays by the rules. And come what may, I suspect that is what he will be remembered for. A fair guy that got stuck in an unfortunate situation.

291 zombie  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:52:54pm

re: #241 joncelli

All of the above, and it would be nice if you had an option to increase/decrease point size.

But you can do that yourself in your own browser!

292 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:53:10pm

re: #261 scottishbuzzsaw

My dr. has been very displeased with my BP lately...;>)

Mine would be in despair over the state of my liver...

293 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:53:14pm
Because the way I’m portrayed 24/7 is as a freak! I am the latte-sipping, New York Times-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effete, politically correct, arrogant liberal. Who wants somebody like that?

I sure don't. And yes Mr. Obama, you have hit the nail on the head. Out of the mouths of babes.

294 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:53:27pm

re: #286 Ben Hur

“I am convinced that if there were no Fox News, I might be two or three points higher in the polls,” Obama told me

Wow.

Yeah, if only I could get rid of the people who oppose me, I'd be more popular.

Just. Wow.

295 sharp_discernment  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:53:43pm

re: #283 calcajun

re: #237 sharp_discernment

McCain should approach him with the line, "My name is Inigo Montoya..."////

"You killed capitalism, prepare...."//

296 Desert Dog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:53:49pm

Obama told me. “If I were watching Fox News, I wouldn’t vote for me, right? Because the way I’m portrayed 24/7 is as a freak! I am the latte-sipping, New York Times-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effete, politically correct, arrogant liberal. Who wants somebody like that?

Well....Sen. Obama.........if the shoe fits....

What has he done that tells you he is not a latte-sipping, New York Times-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effete, politically correct, arrogant liberal?

297 joncelli  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:54:01pm

re: #291 zombie

Yeah, I just thought of that the moment I hit "post this comment".

298 yma o hyd  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:54:36pm

re: #286 Ben Hur

[Link: hotair.com...]

He is a megalomaniac, no doubt.

On the other hand - this sounds as if he's already getting in some excuses for why he didn't win ...
That sort of pre-eptive moan is quite familiar to anybody who's watched coaches speak before a big game ...

(Coaches who are of course not Kiwis, with the attitude that losing is not an option ... )

299 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:54:49pm

re: #290 JohnnyReb

President Bush does not work like that. Fortunately he plays by the rules. And come what may, I suspect that is what he will be remembered for. A fair guy that got stuck in an unfortunate situation.

yes he does play by the rules
but he is a prime example that:

negative campaigning works

how many people, hate, despise or simply disrespect him now
I'd say 70% of America
and 90% outside the US (not that they matter)

300 elevenbravo1969  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:55:37pm

Ed Schultz today on his national radio show:

"If ACORN's cheatin' a little bit. I'm glad!"

301 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:55:39pm

re: #269 J.S.

I've decided not to watch the debate...can't do it. I've already voted -- cast my ballot (absentee) for McCain/Palin...(frankly all of this political stuff gets to me...it's way too much...I hope for the best, but I'm also prepared for the worst.)

We get to vote starting next Monday, but I may wait until election day. With all the ACORN crap going on, who knows, maybe they might decide to throw out early ballots.

302 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:55:51pm

re: #287 Ben Hur

Just in case you missed it above 2 effen minutes ago.

This is Tom Tucker. Senator Barack Obama complained today that one major media outlet has refused to drop to their knees and fellate him. Asian reporter Tricia Takanawa will have the entire lurid story, and reaction from former President and oral sex expert Bill Clinton, at eleven o'clock tonight.

303 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:55:56pm

re: #286 Ben Hur

[Link: hotair.com...]

Okay, that's all I can stand for today...must de-stress.

304 Avary  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:56:16pm

Good advice for John McCain :

305 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:56:45pm

re: #270 Adrenalyn

like George Bush SHOULD HAVE DONE to CBS after the guard story

Thereby guaranteeing his own defeat in the 2004 elections! Great plan.

306 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:56:53pm

No advice for John McCain, except to fight lies with truth. That, and Providence, is all we have. And once again, from Listen To The People, by Stephen Vincent Benet (1941), the voice of Obama:
TOTALITARIAN VOICE:
You mistake me.
Others have often made that same mistake
Often and often in many countries.
I never play upon a people’s strength.
I play upon their weaknesses and fears.
I make their doubts my allies and my spies.
I have a most convincing mask of peace
Painted by experts, for one kind of sucker,
And for another - I’m a business man,
Straight from the shoulder, talking trades and markets
And much misunderstood.
I touch this man upon his pocketbook,
That man upon his hatred for his boss,
That man upon his fear.
I offer everything, for offering’s cheap.
I make no claims until I make the claims.
I’m always satisfied until I’m not
Which happens rather rapidly to those
Who think I could be satisfied with less
Than a dismembered and digested world.

307 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:56:58pm

re: #256 cblesz

Anyone see Obambi's latest complain:

“I am convinced that if there were no Fox News, I might be two or three points higher in the polls,” Obama told me. “If I were watching Fox News, I wouldn’t vote for me, right? Because the way I’m portrayed 24/7 is as a freak! I am the latte-sipping, New York Times-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effete, politically correct, arrogant liberal. Who wants somebody like that?
“I guess the point I’m making,” he went on, “is that there is an entire industry now, an entire apparatus, designed to perpetuate this cultural schism, and it’s powerful. People want to know that you’re fighting for them, that you get them. And I actually think I do. But you know, if people are just seeing me in sound bites, they’re not going to discover that. That’s why I say that some of that may have to happen after the election, when they get to know you.”

Is he freaking kidding me? What planet is he living on?

First act as president? Outlaw Fox News.

308 skullkrusher  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:56:58pm

re: #265 yma o hyd

hey! This third party screwball lives in NY. The only way I am gonna have my voice heard is by going third party :)

309 Armywife  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:57:07pm

Dear John (may I call you John?) -

I am still available. You can come down with some mystery illness (not life threatening, lets not start rumors and panic unnecessarily) and then I can come in and debate for you. The benefits are:

1. I am going to be debating Senator Obama from home anyway, so I might as well be there.
2 If I keep referring to him as a commie you can deny I was the ArmyWife you knew tomorrow with solid precedent set
3. Your marketing crew can be at the ready with some really great commercials as I fully plan to bring and use my staples "Bullsh*T" button as often as Barry opens his mouth
4. When I am accused of being racist I have no qualms saying "Perfect, by virtue of you instituting the classic racist scream, I am the de facto debate winner, its called the ad racium theory"
5. When he tries to follow up with an "ArmyWife doesn't like me because I don't look like other presidents on dollar bills" I will say "No, that isn't it either. In fact, Senator McCain is not green and I like him quite well". I will then say "Senator Obama, I don't like you because your belief system is FUBAR. Enough said."

You will thank me later.

Sincerely yours,

AW - who, while not sporting an Ivy League degree, still eats Brie and that counts for something with the tin foil hat wearing crowd.

310 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:57:23pm

re: #298 yma o hyd

Hmm?

311 hillbilly geek  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:57:27pm

re: #228 HelloDare

Maybe for some people. But for me, the width of the line and the size of the type make it difficult to read. But again, that may be just me. In any case, the piece is great. Congratulations.

I agree with HD; from a presentation standpoint, somewhat narrower columns allow the eye to scan down the blocks of text, and someone else had a good idee, viz-a-viz the main points as bulleted links...

312 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:57:44pm

re: #305 Occasional Reader

Thereby guaranteeing his own defeat in the 2004 elections! Great plan.

actually, I would have waited until AFTER, were I in his position

but the least he could have done was called them on it
the very least.....but not a peep

313 DeafDog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:57:50pm

re: #256 cblesz

Anyone see Obambi's latest complain:

“I am convinced that if there were no Fox News, I might be two or three points higher in the polls,” Obama told me. “If I were watching Fox News, I wouldn’t vote for me, right? Because the way I’m portrayed 24/7 is as a freak! I am the latte-sipping, New York Times-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effete, politically correct, arrogant liberal. Who wants somebody like that?
“I guess the point I’m making,” he went on, “is that there is an entire industry now, an entire apparatus, designed to perpetuate this cultural schism, and it’s powerful. People want to know that you’re fighting for them, that you get them. And I actually think I do. But you know, if people are just seeing me in sound bites, they’re not going to discover that. That’s why I say that some of that may have to happen after the election, when they get to know you.”

Is he freaking kidding me? What planet is he living on?

If there were no MSNBC, BHO conceded, he'd be down 5.

314 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:58:03pm

re: #300 elevenbravo1969

Ed Schultz today on his national radio show:

"If ACORN's cheatin' a little bit. I'm glad!"

He's a tool. He used to sound somewhat reasonable, but there's a chewy moonbat center inside the crispy moderate liberal exterior.

315 JacksonTn  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:58:08pm

FOX IS NOW OWNED BY OBAMA .....

WORLD SERIES TIME CHANGE .......

[Link: www.hollywoodreporter.com...]

316 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:58:15pm
317 Ben Hur  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:58:23pm

FOXNEWS is code for RACISTS.

318 Desert Dog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:58:38pm

re: #307 Ward Cleaver

Close....they will drag out the Fairness Doctrine and then apply it to the right only.....the left, of course, will have free reign.

319 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:58:41pm

re: #305 Occasional Reader

Thereby guaranteeing his own defeat in the 2004 elections! Great plan.

It would take a little while to get rid of Fox, as Obama would first have to get his picks onto the FCC board.

320 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:58:59pm

re: #315 JacksonTn

FOX IS NOW OWNED BY OBAMA .....

WORLD SERIES TIME CHANGE .......

[Link: www.hollywoodreporter.com...]


indeed, and will McCain call him on this arrogance tonight ?

321 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:59:11pm

re: #300 elevenbravo1969

Ed Schultz today on his national radio show:

"If ACORN's cheatin' a little bit. I'm glad!"

I'm sorry, Ed Schultz is a complete ad total idiot. I know he claims to have this huge audience but I can't even pick him up here in the people's republic of taxachussetts. He is a minor player with little to no clout whose audience consists largely of moonbats and liberals who never would vote Republican anyway. I'm sure his audience completely agrees with him.

Now ask yourself, does that matter?

322 Scion9  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:59:19pm

re: #294 Occasional Reader

I wonder if Obama's "If there were no Fox News..." will be given the same kind of scrutiny as Bush's similar "You don't get to do everything you want [as president]..." gaffe.

323 Palandine  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:59:23pm

re: #295 sharp_discernment

"You killed capitalism, prepare...."//

I think it was buzzsawmonky who came up with:

"Hello. My name is Barack Obama. Dreams of My Father. Prepare for lies."

:)

324 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:59:24pm

re: #298 yma o hyd

Yma, you got any fancy Welsh "y and ll" containing words of wisdom for Senator McCain tonight?

Other than "Lloyd" or "Flewellyn"?

;-)

325 lesbianrainforest  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:59:41pm

re: #301 Ward Cleaver

We get to vote starting start voting next Monday, but I may wait until election day. With all the ACORN crap going on, who knows, maybe they might decide to throw out early ballots.

Fixed it for ya.

326 Bordm  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 1:59:55pm

I found this in my in-box the other day.

327 devil in baggy pants  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:00:12pm

SEN. MCCAIN:

Remember...


TELLING THE TRUTH ISN'T DIRTY POLITICS!

328 Bordm  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:00:14pm

PSALM 2008-2012
FIRST BOOK OF DEMOCRAT

Obama Is My Shepherd, I Shall Not Want.
He Leadeth Me Beside Still Factories,
He Restoreth My Faith In The Republican Party,
He Guideth Me In The Paths Of Unemployment.
Yea, Though I Walk Through The Valley Of The Bread Line, I Shall Not Go Hungry.
Obama Has Anointed My Income With Taxes,
My Expenses Runneth Over My Income,
Surely, Poverty And Hard Living Will Follow Me All The Days Of My Life.
The Democrats And I Will Live Forever In a Rented Room.
But I Am Glad I Am an American,
I Am Glad That I Am Free.
But I Wish I Was A Dog
And Obama Was a Tree.

329 Gus 802  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:00:29pm

"A Time for Change"

Ronald Reagan, 1964

330 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:00:44pm
331 yma o hyd  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:00:45pm

re: #310 A Kiwi Infidel

Hmm?

Two words: Warren Gatland ...

332 redstateredneck  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:00:48pm

Obama's rant against Fox news reminds me of Bill Clinton's call to KMOX (I think) about Rush Limbaugh getting three hours with no truth detector.
Crybabies.

333 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:00:48pm

re: #322 Scion9

I wonder if Obama's "If there were no Fox News..." will be given the same kind of scrutiny as Bush's similar "You don't get to do everything you want [as president]..." gaffe.

I actually don't recall that gaffe... and don't understand why it's a gaffe?

334 Iron Fist  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:00:48pm

re: #307 Ward Cleaver

No, the Obamessiah will go for outlawing guns and God first. Then he'll go after free speech.

335 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:00:49pm

re: #136 zombie

Great work, Zombie!
"Don't change a hair for me, not if you care for me..."

336 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:01:03pm

re: #325 lesbianrainforest

Fixed it for ya.

Thanks, grammar troll.

337 Ben Hur  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:01:25pm

WTF?

[Link: www.vw.com...]

338 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:01:40pm

No one said anything about my shirt. And I just proclaimed a huge "WHAT?!" when I read the FOX-World Series thing.

339 legalpad  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:02:00pm

McCain must take command of the topic of the economy. Obama keeps saying that it is Bush policies that led to the economic crisis. What policies? Why did Lehman, AIG, et al go under? Tax cuts? The war on terror? No. It was billions of dollars of bad loans, advised and protected by Democrats, exclusively, and objected to and fought against by Republicans. Period. He must simplify it just like that.

Contributions from Fanny and Freddie are less relevant, perhaps completely irrelevant. Previous naive approval of ACORN is irrelevant. (That they are now tacitly involved in voter fraud is relevant, but; each simplified topic one at a time.)

And just blame it on the bad loans that Democrats pushed and that Republicans tried to stop. Don't have to tie in Obama. Making that simple point makes it clear that the economy relates to the loans and only the loans, and not the Bush administration.

It will then be obvious that you understand the economy and that Obama, who has been repeatedly claiming that it is "eight years of Bush policies", does not.

Take the kernel of this idea, have some economic advisors refine it, and keep the delivery clear and simple. One point - one point only on the economy. If you understand it, the American people understand it.

340 Kenneth  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:02:02pm

Suggested topics for McCain:

ACORN
Ayers
Rezko
Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac
Taxes
Foreign policy

Hit those & he has a shot.

341 Cygnus  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:02:10pm

re: #127 lesbianrainforest

Battle conditions, John. Relax, take a deep breath and DON"T BE YOUR NORMAL FREAKIN" SELF FOR ONCE IN THE GODDAMN CAMPAIGN YOU SISSY ASSHAT. OBAMA MUST BE DEFEATED AT ANY AND ALL COSTS INCLUDING LOOSING THE POLITENESS CONTEST. COUNTRY FIRST. COUNTRY FIRST. COUNTRY FIRST.

DEFCON 1, JOHN.

342 hillbilly geek  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:02:25pm

re: #330 taxfreekiller

on the fox news comment

He doth protest to much.
projection X's 10,000

agreed. but, obie, tell us it ain't true?
Wait, he don't own a Volvo.
wcdod

(what car does Obama drive)

343 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:02:53pm

re: #256 cblesz

Anyone see Obambi's latest complain:
Is he freaking kidding me? What planet is he living on?

Planet Straw Man.

His analysis utterly fails any critical examination.

- Undecideds aren't watching Fox News. That should be repeated: UNDECIDEDS AREN'T WATCHING FOX NEWS. Even the most utterly obtuse fence-sitter in this country has heard the whining about Fox being a Republican network.

- He knows all about entire industries creating images of him as a candidate... Because he has a billionaire-funded media-industrial complex, including all three major networks, their parent, child and cousin companies, the wire services, the newspapers, the magazines, the talk shows, the reporters, the photographers, and Hollywood in general, all working overtime to portray him as a cross between Jesus and Ronald Reagan with a "D" in front of his name.

He's one to talk about media bias, but then again, he's an utterly shameless chameleon who regards a sense of decency and face as some kind of intellectual curiosity to be analysed and used as necessary to get ahead.

344 zombie  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:02:54pm

re: #289 reine.de.tout

You don't need big type or wide spacing.

People simply find smaller paragraphs easier to read. Shorter sentences, and no more than 3 per paragraph is helpful. People find some "white space" in any written material to be more restful, and are more likely to read the full thing if they don't get tired out. For some people (like moi for instance), their brains can make better sense of a short paragraph than a long one.

Will do.

345 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:03:00pm

re: #339 legalpad

McCain must take command of the topic of the economy. Obama keeps saying that it is Bush policies that led to the economic crisis. What policies? Why did Lehman, AIG, et al go under? Tax cuts? The war on terror? No. It was billions of dollars of bad loans, advised and protected by Democrats, exclusively, and objected to and fought against by Republicans. Period. He must simplify it just like that.

Contributions from Fanny and Freddie are less relevant, perhaps completely irrelevant. Previous naive approval of ACORN is irrelevant. (That they are now tacitly involved in voter fraud is relevant, but; each simplified topic one at a time.)

And just blame it on the bad loans that Democrats pushed and that Republicans tried to stop. Don't have to tie in Obama. Making that simple point makes it clear that the economy relates to the loans and only the loans, and not the Bush administration.

It will then be obvious that you understand the economy and that Obama, who has been repeatedly claiming that it is "eight years of Bush policies", does not.

Take the kernel of this idea, have some economic advisors refine it, and keep the delivery clear and simple. One point - one point only on the economy. If you understand it, the American people understand it.

you get my vote next time
quite a good summary

346 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:03:05pm

re: #127 lesbianrainforest

OBAMA MUST BE DEFEATED AT ANY AND ALL COSTS INCLUDING LOOSING LOSING THE POLITENESS CONTEST

Fixed it for ya.

347 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:03:11pm

re: #337 Ben Hur

WTF?

[Link: www.vw.com...]

That's one stupid ad campaign. VW is currently run by a bunch of dolts, led by egomaniac Ferdinand Piech (one of Ferdinand Porsche's descendants).

348 Desert Dog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:03:18pm

re: #342 hillbilly geek

a Ford Explorer Hybrid, of course


My guess is that thing is sitting around collecting dust....Obama is a limo-man now

349 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:03:42pm

re: #334 Iron Fist

No, the Obamessiah will go for outlawing guns and God first. Then he'll go after free speech.

G-d has other ideas about being outlawed.

350 hillbilly geek  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:03:53pm

re: #337 Ben Hur

WTF?

[Link: www.vw.com...]

Haaaaaaa!

351 lesbianrainforest  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:03:53pm

re: #336 Ward Cleaver

I meant start voting as in early and often.........

352 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:04:18pm

re: #346 Occasional Reader

Fixed it for ya.

Thanks, OR. That one's a disrespectful hatchling.

353 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:04:18pm

re: #349 Kosh's Shadow

G-d has other ideas about being outlawed.

He doesn't take kindly to it. Read the Old Testament and see if you want to be the one outlawing God.

354 Scion9  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:04:26pm

re: #333 Occasional Reader

I actually don't recall that gaffe... and don't understand why it's a gaffe?

It is one of Bush's alleged 'dictator musings' according to those afflicted with Leftism.

355 zombie  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:04:30pm

OK, I will take all this advice and work on the essay for the next half hour! In a frantic rush!

THANKS! ! ! ! ! ! !

356 HelloDare  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:04:37pm

re: #280 zombie

What if you put it on two pages? Made the margins bigger. Made the type bigger. The result would be that the visuals would give air to the copy. The subheads would pop more. The reader would be pulled along.

Big blocks of type are daunting no matter how well an article is written or how informative it is.

Nobody is going to stop at the bottom of the first page. If they do, they would have stopped reading in the middle of the article anyway.

357 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:04:53pm

re: #351 lesbianrainforest

I meant start voting as in early and often.........

Okay, but mind your manners, newbie.

358 Ben Hur  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:05:04pm

re: #347 Ward Cleaver

That's one stupid ad campaign. VW is currently run by a bunch of dolts, led by egomaniac Ferdinand Piech (one of Ferdinand Porsche's descendants).


You can put anyone in the boxes.

359 Dianna  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:05:25pm

re: #354 Scion9

It is one of Bush's alleged 'dictator musings' according to those afflicted with Leftism.

Oh.

I think "afflicted with Leftism" part means the statement was in no way a gaffe.

360 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:05:27pm

re: #353 Jetpilot1101

He doesn't take kindly to it. Read the Old Testament and see if you want to be the one outlawing God.

I'm not outlawing Him; tell it to 0bama, but you'll be called racist.

361 Buck  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:05:52pm

Make this about Democrats vs Rebublicans

Drive home the message that it was Democrats that refused to regulate Fannie and Freddie.

Say the Words "Google barney frank roll dice"
and "Every should Google maxine waters no crisis" right to the camera!.

Say "Google gregory meeks given them an excuse"

THEN "GOOGLE ed royce regulate fannie"

And so on....


It would really devastate OBAMA... he would not know what hit him..

362 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:06:10pm

re: #348 Desert Dog

a Ford Explorer Hybrid, of course


My guess is that thing is sitting around collecting dust....Obama is a limo-man now

IT'S A BUS!

363 JohnnyReb  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:06:16pm

re: #299 Adrenalyn

yes he does play by the rules
but he is a prime example that:

negative campaigning works

how many people, hate, despise or simply disrespect him now
I'd say 70% of America
and 90% outside the US (not that they matter)

We have a saying in the Navy.....Honor, Courage and Commitment. We live by playing by the rules.

I personally don't care about his ratings, even the US Congress has lower ratings. And I have some issues with what he did, but President Bush is an honorable man, unlike some past US Presidents. No one can take that away from him.

Call me a dinosaur, maybe the Honor, Courage and Commitment thing is from the past, but it is what me and my shipmates swore an oath to uphold.

364 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:06:25pm

re: #200 zombie

Yes. Very inspiring.

365 Age Of Freedom  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:06:31pm

John McCain,

Now you're NOT facing the same supporting, though partially silly, audience you did few days back. Today you're facing a crowd of millions and millions of people, when most of which hate you more than themselves for no other reason than not being a marxist and anti-American / Israel and also not adhering to black-power incitement.

Personally, I am shitless worried of the endless waves of judgmental and fomented 0bmam0bs and 0bums, who are terrorist-tolerant but O'Donnelly american-hater. Their passion of anti-american indoctrination can unfortunately impose their douche of a messiah on us this november and make the whole following saga of the g0racle look like a forgotten asswipe in comparison. Yeah, they are THAT psychotic and hypocritical.

This is your last chance to kick those fucking ghouls in their unshaved crotch. Remember, you're facing THEM now. It's time for you to re-live your past heroic days fighting the marxist b0rg.
Just remember, John, you cannot spell McCain without Cain. Raise Cain For Fuck Sake!

/ If I came across to extreme and offended any readers with this post please do not read it.

366 odinga  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:06:54pm

If there was no Fox News CASTRO would be president.

367 Dianna  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:06:56pm

re: #357 Ward Cleaver

When did we start to worry about grammar policing from anybody at all? I pet-peeved from very early on!

/and look at all the good it has done.

368 Elcid  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:07:00pm

Yep. John, do NOT let Sarah Palin down...nor the REST of us.

Act, talk and make us believe you really DO want to be POTUS.

369 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:07:09pm
370 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:08:02pm

re: #331 yma o hyd

Two words: Warren Gatland ...


Ah ha, Wales boyo!

371 legalpad  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:08:29pm

re: #345 Adrenalyn

Thanks. Simplicity wins debates.

372 Palandine  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:08:37pm

Murtha (*spit*) tells his knuckle-dragging racist redneck constituents to vote for the Messiah:

PITTSBURGH (AP) - U.S. Rep. John Murtha says his home base of western Pennsylvania is racist and that could reduce Barack Obama's victory margin in the state by 4 percentage points.
The 17-term Democratic congressman tells the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette in a story posted Wednesday on its Web site that, as he put it: "There is no question that western Pennsylvania is a racist area."

He says it's taken time for many Pennsylvania voters to come around to liking Obama, but he should still win the state, though not in a runaway.

In a separate interview posted Wednesday on the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review's Web site, Murtha says Obama has a problem with the race issue in western Pennsylvania that could shave 4 points off his lead in the state.

373 VioletTiger  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:08:43pm

BHO - 'I am the latte-sipping, New York Times-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effete, politically correct, arrogant liberal. Who wants somebody like that?'

Would pay much for that on tape.....

374 doppelganglander  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:09:49pm

re: #136 zombie

HELP!

I have a big zombietime essay I need to upload IMMEDIATELY. Before the debate.

But I can't think straight and need feedback. I'm too rushed to get a clear view.

Here it is:

The Left's Big Blunder: The disastrously counter-productive strategy of Obama's supporters

Tell me how it can be improved/fixed. You have only 15 minutes!

THANKS IN ADVANCE!

I know it's past the 15 minute window, but I must say you have perfectly encapsulated my thoughts on the subject. I had not thought about relating the phenomenon to those classic psychological experiments as you did, but they work beautifully. Well done.

375 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:09:49pm

re: #342 hillbilly geek

agreed. but, obie, tell us it ain't true?
Wait, he don't own a Volvo.
wcdod

(what car does Obama drive)

This!

376 razorbacker  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:11:27pm

Whoops. Wrong thread.

Dear Senator McCain,

Your voice has been sounding a bit hoarse lately. Why not give it a rest, beg the indulgence of your friends in America, and ask Sarah to stand in for you?

'Cause I'd really, really like to see Obiden p*ss himself on stage.

Your friend,
Razorbacker

377 summergurl  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:12:48pm

Lead with your the left. Hit him hard on Acorn - fraudulent voter registration, his ties to that organization, dodge blows and come out swinging on his sub prime lending pressure on banks and relationship with Raines. And Jeremiah Wright should be in your arsenal - stop being so namby pamby and for gosh sakes use it. Between Ayers, Acorn, Wright and Raines his list of "associates" is very telling of his character

Float like a butterfly and sting like a bee..
and drop the "my friends" bit - I cringe every time you say it...

378 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:12:51pm
379 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:13:08pm

I think McCain really needs to do two things above all else:

1. Don't let Obama lie and get away with it, PERIOD. He lies about McCain's plan, McCain's attacks, his own policies, his previous positions, his quotes, his friends, his past dealings, you name it, he's lied about it, and the media lets it ride. Worse, McCain looks like a fool when he ignores it.

"Hey, have you seen this Fight the Smears website of his? They have to keep changing it so fast, it's like reading slashdot. It's the most flexible truth site on the internet. His reaction teams are editing that site almost constantly trying to change the story to keep up with the truth. Hey he only worked in passing with ACORN, whoops no he didn't..."

John, you're big on "Honor". Why do you let this kid spit on yours?

2. Hang the financial collapse and ACORN squarely around Obama's neck. Put up a powerpoint slide of Obama in a meeting with the ACORN people if he has to. Obama + ACORN + suing banks + vote fraud = the mess we're in. And yes, mention the vote fraud. Mention that they're being investigated at the Federal level in almost every state in the union, and that oh yes, Senator Obama gave them almost a million dollars this year. "Gee my friends, do you think that might have any bearing on this upcoming election?"

380 deanayer  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:14:27pm

He should get ANGRY and then....no wait....this just in...according to CNN anger has now been outlawed by the NEA and the Obama campaign. In keeping with his campaign strategy of telling everyone what is and isn't allowed (and by everyone I mean the MSM) or fair or open for discussion the big O has declared that anger is no longer a legitimate emotion, you can still cling if you want but you cant shout or get mad because thats just not cool. If you insist on getting angry the O will be forced to give a landmark speech on the subject wherein he will throw anger under the bus in a tour de force performance that should then be made mandatory reading in every class in between showings of "An Inconvenient truth".

Now get out there kids and spread that wealth around !


/disclaimer - I am in no way related to Bill Ayers, while I may be angry he is downright explosive!

381 Buck  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:14:40pm

When OBAMA says "al Qaeda is resurgent, stronger now than at any time since 2001" ask him to explain how strong it is to have all their leaders in hiding, and unable to be seen in public. How strong is it to be on the run, and unable to do more than line up for slaughter. al Qaeda does nothing more than submit other muslims to terror attacks, mostly cowardly suicide attacks using women and the handicapped....

How strong do they have to be to do that?

382 SFGoth  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:14:41pm

Maybe next time no open primaries? Maybe?

383 sloggin420[deleted]  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:15:12pm
384 odinga  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:15:46pm

OMG, HITCHENS this is too funny!
SPARTA, TN–Noted author, social critic, and political gadfly Christopher Hitchens was once again the focus of controversy Monday, when he was forcibly removed from Happy Trails trailer park following a drunken confrontation with Noreen Bodell, 39, his common-law wife of 14 years.

A trailer park in TN. Bwaaah. Maybe they should water board the POS.
Leftists are so deranged and miserable.

Someone's in the kitchen with HITCHENS
throwing dishes!

385 kansas  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:15:58pm

re: #256 cblesz

Anyone see Obambi's latest complain:

“I am convinced that if there were no Fox News, I might be two or three points higher in the polls,” Obama told me. “If I were watching Fox News, I wouldn’t vote for me, right? Because the way I’m portrayed 24/7 is as a freak! I am the latte-sipping, New York Times-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effete, politically correct, arrogant liberal. Who wants somebody like that?
“I guess the point I’m making,” he went on, “is that there is an entire industry now, an entire apparatus, designed to perpetuate this cultural schism, and it’s powerful. People want to know that you’re fighting for them, that you get them. And I actually think I do. But you know, if people are just seeing me in sound bites, they’re not going to discover that. That’s why I say that some of that may have to happen after the election, when they get to know you.”

Is he freaking kidding me? What planet is he living on?

Hey, he's got every other news outlet, might as well get Fox too. He already has 1/2 of that what with the Fair and Balanced shit they pull.

386 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:16:38pm

re: #337 Ben Hur

WTF?

[Link: www.vw.com...]

Once again, we see this creepy German preoccupation with race...

387 yma o hyd  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:17:18pm

re: #324 Intrepid

Yma, you got any fancy Welsh "y and ll" containing words of wisdom for Senator McCain tonight?

Other than "Lloyd" or "Flewellyn"?

;-)

Heh. The only true Welsh stuff I know are hymns ... perhaps he needs to listen to this one:

before he goes out to face B0?

388 jackfetch  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:17:50pm

If we end up with a Dem administration, supermajorities in both houses, etc... then I'm thinking perhaps it's time for the Republicans to fight fire with fire. With nothing more to lose, maybe they ought to be obstructionist, use absurd levels of rhetoric, sabotage everything they can, blame all the problems they cause on the Dems, and generally do everything they can to ruin the country as quickly as possible.

It seems to be working for the other party.

389 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:19:02pm

re: #384 odinga

White County is one of the top Meth lab counties in the US. One of my highschool friends is a doctor in Sparta, and she has so many meth addicts as patients it's driving her crazy!

Plus, it's right down the road from Al Gore's old home place in Carthage.

390 SFGoth  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:19:23pm

re: #388 jackfetch

If we end up with a Dem administration, supermajorities in both houses, etc... then I'm thinking perhaps it's time for the Republicans to fight fire with fire. With nothing more to lose, maybe they ought to be obstructionist, use absurd levels of rhetoric, sabotage everything they can, blame all the problems they cause on the Dems, and generally do everything they can to ruin the country as quickly as possible.

It seems to be working for the other party.

You mean both remaining GOP senators should try to filibuster?

391 sloggin420[deleted]  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:19:49pm
392 Zippy_Slug  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:20:41pm

so what are the drinking keywords?

"Hope" - 1 drink
"Change" - 2 drinks
"My Friends" - 2 drinks
"Ayers" - Finish the bottle

393 DeafDog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:21:08pm

re: #383 sloggin420

Guess the dems with their supermajority will be able to do something about that in due time. First, in all fairness, they will reimplement the fairness doctrine. Wonder if those of us with extra empty bedrooms will be required to take in homeless people under an Obama administrations share the wealth plan? Wonder if the plumber will be prohibited from firing any employees after his taxes are raised. Wonder if I should purchase a firearm.....

All criticism of "The One" has already been labled racist.

394 yma o hyd  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:22:44pm

re: #370 A Kiwi Infidel

Ah ha, Wales boyo!

He is now!

395 sloggin420[deleted]  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:22:49pm
396 cblesz  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:23:16pm

re: #393 DeafDog

All criticism of "The One" has already been labled racist.

Yup. That is surely the way it will be for 4 years...ANYTHING remotely criticizing him will be racist.

397 sloggin420[deleted]  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:24:19pm
398 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:24:26pm

re: #392 Zippy_Slug

so what are the drinking keywords?

"Hope" - 1 drink
"Change" - 2 drinks
"My Friends" - 2 drinks
"Ayers" - Finish the bottle

Your liver begs you to reconsider.

Hell, MY liver begs you to reconsider.

399 odinga  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:24:39pm

GOD is GREAT!

OMG Hitchens cries!

Having consumed what sources described as "a substantial amount of single-malt scotch," Hitchens then burst into tears, yelling, "That woman never understood me for who I am. I want to talk to [Harper's editor Lewis] Lapham. Lapham's the only one who understands me."

Cry Baby Hitchens

GOD is GREAT!

400 J.S.  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:25:17pm

re: #301 Ward Cleaver

yeah. I sort of figure my ballot may get wasted...(I'm actually somewhat confused by what I've been reading about absentee ballots...I filled out an early ballot and mailed that one in to my County authority...prior to the "official" ballot being sent out to me .. and now, the official ballot, just arrived...now I'm in a conundrum...do I fill out the second, "official" ballot? I've read that "yes, yes, yes, fill out the official one too"...but then, isn't that voting twice? ? )

401 cblesz  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:25:47pm

re: #397 sloggin420

Violating this unwritten law will surely land you in a re-edumacation camp...

True...but certainly not kidding. I honestly believe an Obama presidency will hurt race relations more than it will help...simply because of the racism tag that will always be applied.

402 sloggin420[deleted]  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:26:49pm
403 Kenneth  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:26:49pm

re: #399 odinga

umm... the article is a spoof, a satire, a piece of humorous fiction. You do know that right?

404 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:26:51pm

re: #399 odinga

GOD is GREAT!

OMG Hitchens cries!


Cry Baby Hitchens

GOD is GREAT!

Um... you do realize this is from The Onion, right?

405 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:28:42pm

Drinking contest folks:

Not since I saw "Hi Bob!"* played in a college has a disaster of such epic proportions loomed in front of me. PLEASE, moderate yourself while playing during the debate tonight. Consider a friendly non-alcoholic game of "Bullshit Bingo". Nominate a designated viewer. Your health is important to us, your friends.

*In case you are THAT young, The Bob Newhart Show (ca. 1972) featured Bob as Bob. Every "Hi Bob!" resulted in a beer chug.

406 Zippy_Slug  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:29:32pm

re: #398 OldLineTexan

Yeah.. you can see my optimism that Ayers will be brought up tho..

407 odinga  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:29:34pm

This is so unbelievable! Hitchens is such a Libloser.

According to sources familiar with the couple, the incident marks the third time in as many weeks that police have been forced to intervene in their volatile relationship.

"We're down at the old Hitchens place probably twice a month at least," said Sgt. Wilson Vernon, the first of three officers to arrive at the scene.

"Once his blood's up, old Hitch can get meaner than a three-legged coon hound. From what the neighbors told us about this latest incident, Noreen was all worked up, accusing him of drinking and womanizing. He was angry with her refusal to acknowledge that there is ample evidence to make a case for prosecuting Henry Kissinger as a war criminal. She just kept shouting, 'No, there ain't!'"


Link

408 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:30:18pm

Where's Stinky? This is out of control.

409 kansas  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:30:47pm

re: #408 OldLineTexan

Where's Stinky? This is out of control.

What's out of control, my friends?

410 hillbilly geek  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:30:59pm

Let's say it together: "The Onion is a satire/parody site."

411 sloggin420[deleted]  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:31:00pm
412 hillbilly geek  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:32:43pm

re: #411 sloggin420

Take a dose of zombie and call me in the morning.
no, don't call.

413 sloggin420[deleted]  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:33:36pm
414 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:33:39pm

re: #409 kansas

What's out of control, my friends?

There's Onions everywhere, John. And people are beieving them!

415 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:34:14pm

re: #414 OldLineTexan

OK. Imagine a lower case "L" in my last.

416 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:36:49pm

I have to work tonight, can someone shout at the TV (or radio) (or computer monitor) a few times for me?

417 odinga  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:37:06pm

re: #404 Occasional Reader

Um... you do realize this is from The Onion, right?

Opps! Looks like spam. Sorry!

418 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:38:31pm

BTW...is it just me, or is TFK getting easier to understand?

419 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:39:35pm

re: #285 zombie

I considered it, but I thought Milgram was off-topic for this particular essay.

No, really? I got a real "because we are telling you this it must be true" vibe from your piece.

Milgrim studied the effects of groups on individual behavior- in the aftermath of Nurenberg he thought that the defense of "I was only following orders" would not hold up to his trials.

3/4 of those in the trials hit the 450 "volts" even after the "learner" complained of pain, illness and then grew silent. . .

Milgrim was a student of Ashe and felt groups were very much the wildcard on humans behaving badly. . .like if enough people TELL you it is ok to wear a shirt that says Sarah Palin is a . . ., then you will feel it is ok to do so, even if cultural norms still find it offensive. . .and so on. . .

420 BBEV  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:43:00pm

My buddy from the north country called me yesterday he had just met with 20 young men just back from Iraq it was a relaxed have a couple beers kind of time but they are really pissed off, they are fighting a fight with there hands tied behind there backs AGAIN! The bad news is that these people are not going to vote for either one of the candidates .

421 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:43:09pm

re: #396 cblesz

Yup. That is surely the way it will be for 4 years...ANYTHING remotely criticizing him will be racist.

And therein lies the rub. . .is the MSM ready to go 4 years without being able to comment in any way deemed "negative" by the "truth squad" on the POTUS?

Oh, I got reported to my union truth squad. . .I was reported as someone who is not "taking the election seriously" and who my stewards are reporting I may have "loyalty issues that need to be addressed"

Sigh, so it begins. . .

422 BBEV  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:53:43pm

re: #421 DisturbedEma

And therein lies the rub. . .is the MSM ready to go 4 years without being able to comment in any way deemed "negative" by the "truth squad" on the POTUS?

Oh, I got reported to my union truth squad. . .I was reported as someone who is not "taking the election seriously" and who my stewards are reporting I may have "loyalty issues that need to be addressed"

Sigh, so it begins. . .

Man do I hear ya. I building a commercial building in Boston and I know the power of a steward, he made a comment today about my LGF logo I hve on the back window of my truck. I may be the boss but I do not need problems with the union. The logo is goig to stay. Long live LGF

423 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:57:26pm

re: #422 BBEV

Man do I hear ya. I building a commercial building in Boston and I know the power of a steward, he made a comment today about my LGF logo I hve on the back window of my truck. I may be the boss but I do not need problems with the union. The logo is goig to stay. Long live LGF

And I will continue to exercise my freedom of expression. . .with my "another democrat for McCain" bumper sticker. . .on my keyed car!

424 BBEV  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 2:57:49pm