I'm working on improving the formatting right now!

I just finished it for the second time, non-formatted.

Zombie, I'm not worthy!

"Clever Hans" would be a good LGF handle.

If you are correct and McCain pulls this off, I will put a picture of your icon on the mantle next to that of my sainted father.

re: #3 DeafDog

"Clever Hans" would be a good LGF handle.

I'm still a fan of "Jurassic Slapass"

Bad link!

Give me half an hour to spiff it up a little!

I realize it's a bit dense and hard to read.

re: #6 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Bad link!

I just fixed it. A momentary glitch. All OK now.

I love it when Zombie gets all wonky... ooh baby, talk meta to me!

Link ok now.... I caught it just before it was refreshed... what was that link anyway?

While we're waiting: Veteran of the Psychic Wars

I'm in that kind of mood.

I will disappear from this thread for several minutes as I work on the formatting. Will be back soon!

Zombie Nation

Good essay, but the title is built off of a false premise. The Left's big blunders are very nearly innumerable, and to present an essay with a title that presumes that there is just one blunder, or one in preeminence over all of the other massive fuck-ups is extremely misleading.

It was, like, long n'stuff, with lots of big words, and no pictures of Brazilian bikini models, so I skipped to the end:

Yet it may very well be that an army of glum, dispirited and pessimistic conservatives will reluctantly trudge to the polls on November 4, each one imagining they are only remaining person in the entire country voting for McCain, and lo and behold -- they'll turn out to be a silent majority after all.

Inshallah, habibi.

Of course, what might come right after that, among all the Angry Left types who were SURE they were going to win this one... well, that's why I've topped up my ammo supply as of late.

I still *think* a Very Bad Scenario is unlikely. But I'm less sure of that then I used to be.

Zombie, it looks like you have two of paragraph number two....

Wow. That's some essay. Amazing work.

Great job, Zombie!

re: #15 Occasional Reader

But I'm less sure of that then than I used to be.

(Sweet jebus, are they pumping paint fumes into my office this afternoon or something?)

After smearing the military, Murtha starts in on his racist, redneck, knuckle-dragging constituents

PITTSBURGH (AP) - U.S. Rep. John Murtha says his home base of western Pennsylvania is racist and that could reduce Barack Obama's victory margin in the state by 4 percentage points.
The 17-term Democratic congressman tells the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette in a story posted Wednesday on its Web site that, as he put it: "There is no question that western Pennsylvania is a racist area."

He says it's taken time for many Pennsylvania voters to come around to liking Obama, but he should still win the state, though not in a runaway.

In a separate interview posted Wednesday on the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review's Web site, Murtha says Obama has a problem with the race issue in western Pennsylvania that could shave 4 points off his lead in the state.

re: #15 Occasional Reader

I still *think* a Very Bad Scenario is unlikely. But I'm less sure of that then I used to be.

OR! How could you?

Than, not then!

Excellent piece. That is what I am banking on. The polls are wrong. The Obama camp is playing the propoganda game right out of the Alinsky playbook. "There is nothing wrong with what you are seeing - do not adjust the sound on your T.V." But this is not the Outer Limits - we are not mind-numbed robots - we know that the crap being doled out by the Left is not in fact reality. I keep saying to anyone who will listen: keep the faith. This will be closer than you think.

re: #16 WindHorse

Yeah, I saw that too.

/you beat me to it...

It's excellent, Zombie. Must read it all, later.

This Zombie person is one talented dude..er..dudette.......You rock Zombie!

OK, I've made it fixed-width at 900 pixels. Does it look better? Refresh page.

I also increased point size on chapter headings.

re: #21 Dianna

OR! How could you?

Than, not then!

For all intensive purposes, I've already made that correction, irregardless of your post.

re: #20 Palandine

After smearing the military, Murtha starts in on his racist, redneck, knuckle-dragging constituents

PITTSBURGH (AP) - U.S. Rep. John Murtha says his home base of western Pennsylvania is racist and that could reduce Barack Obama's victory margin in the state by 4 percentage points.
The 17-term Democratic congressman tells the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette in a story posted Wednesday on its Web site that, as he put it: "There is no question that western Pennsylvania is a racist area."

He says it's taken time for many Pennsylvania voters to come around to liking Obama, but he should still win the state, though not in a runaway.

In a separate interview posted Wednesday on the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review's Web site, Murtha says Obama has a problem with the race issue in western Pennsylvania that could shave 4 points off his lead in the state.

His opponent should run that in his TV ads:

"Do you want to elect someone who thinks, and says, you're all racists?"

Oops, during experimentation I put paragraph 2 in there twice. Now removed! SORRY!

re: #16 WindHorse

Zombie, it looks like you have two of paragraph number two....

No, there's only one.

Don't we all agree there's only one?

(Testing out the Asch Effect here)

re: #29 zombie

Dang! You ruined my experiment!

re: #16 WindHorse

Zombie, it looks like you have two of paragraph number two....

Fixed.

re: #27 Occasional Reader

For all intensive purposes, I've already made that correction, irregardless of your post.

*Weeping, gnashing teeth, rending clothes, pouring ashes on head*

That was cruel!

re: #26 zombie

OK, I've made it fixed-width at 900 pixels. Does it look better? Refresh page.

I also increased point size on chapter headings.

Add another blank line (or two) before each new section heading.

zombie, one small suggestion:

Over 90% of journalists classify themselves politically as "liberal"

Can you source that via hyperlink?

Scholarly work, indeed! great work, Zombie!

You can center it by adding align="center" to the table. Fixed width usually looks better centered.

re: #30 Occasional Reader

No, there's only one.

Don't we all agree there's only one?

(Testing out the Asch Effect here)

And one is nothing
/Firesign Theatre

Looks better. Of course, for me it doesn't matter, because I always paste anything that's much over a page into Wordpad and print it out.

The internet has made public opinion available so quickly that politics is starting to look like a blog. With the speed of an article being buried at Digg so too will opposing political voices be buried in DC. Political decisions are becoming a matter of split-second emotional responses with little to no thought given to logic or historical evidence. The "activist" party will be at the advantage while those who ask for moderation, sensibility, and reason will be figuratively and literally tossed to the side.

re: #39 neocon hippie

Looks better. Of course, for me it doesn't matter, because I always paste anything that's much over a page into Wordpad and print it out.

Tree-killer!

For your penance, you must say 100 "Hail Gores".

re: #4 rawmuse

If you are correct and McCain pulls this off, I will put a picture of your icon on the mantle next to that of my sainted father.

I agree and you're work is restoring my faith. Thanks!

Great job Zombie!

re: #42 Occasional Reader

Tree-killer!

For your penance, you must say 100 "Hail Gores".

Count me in as tree killer too.

Wow, zombie, you're an one-trick pony wonder! I'm not worthy! I'm not worthy!

900 pix is fine, but the paragraph width is still a bit too wide for my taste; you could add more left margin. or cowbell.

re: #20 Palandine

After smearing the military, Murtha starts in on his racist, redneck, knuckle-dragging constituents

PITTSBURGH (AP) - U.S. Rep. John Murtha says his home base of western Pennsylvania is racist and that could reduce Barack Obama's victory margin in the state by 4 percentage points.
The 17-term Democratic congressman tells the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette in a story posted Wednesday on its Web site that, as he put it: "There is no question that western Pennsylvania is a racist area."

He says it's taken time for many Pennsylvania voters to come around to liking Obama, but he should still win the state, though not in a runaway.

In a separate interview posted Wednesday on the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review's Web site, Murtha says Obama has a problem with the race issue in western Pennsylvania that could shave 4 points off his lead in the state.

I'm sure Murtha will have plenty of time in retirement to ponder his own stupidity.

your. PIMF.

But thanks Zombie. I'll be emailing the link to many demoralized people

uh, Zombie... I don't see your magnificent article linked to the home page of Zombietime... is that an oversight or are you letting your lizard siblings have the premier crack at it?

From goo to you by way of the zoo

OK, starting to enlarge the font and make it sans serif.

Refresh the page. The top part -- is it easier to read now?

It's tough to discuss this artical on LGF - it's a very heavy essay - and comments will get bookish. By I'll make two observations....

1. The Obama comment that "If not for FOX, I'd be 4 points higher" fits perfectly into the validity of Zombie's observation.

2. I really like the picture of 3 guys at the table in the "Normative and Informational Conformity" section. The guy in the middle kind of looks like a disbelieving lizard. "You guys are really going to vote for Obama? Are you stupid?"

Superb analysis.

The same thing was in effect in 2004. Nobody in the media expected George W. Bush to win. Sarah Palin is energizing Republicans to vote for HER, not necessarily McCain. That is a factor the MSM is missing. T

Our base is bigger than your base. 2004 showed that.

Thus the liberal media effort to dispirit Republicans voters. But they are an echo chamber.

As astonished critic Pauline Kael said in 1972 after Nixon's landslide. "Nobody I know voted for him...."

re: #37 Charles

You can center it by adding align="center" to the table. Fixed width usually looks better centered.

I'll try that.

re: #37 Charles

You can center it by adding align="center" to the table. Fixed width usually looks better centered.

Done. How's it look now?

The only poll that will matter will be the one on Nov. 4. The only that will matter is yours.

Well this. doesn't look very promising. Gulp.

WOW.

I do hope you are right, Oh Mighty Lord of the Undead.

Additional advice for Mac: Obama is prepared for every line of attack under the sun. Be ready to play rhetorical chess, not checkers - you must have your responses ready to go for any debating trick: changing the argument, straw men, tu quoque (aka "you did it too").

Advice for nervous lizards: don't get your stomach in pre-emptive knots, feeling helpless in the audience, where you have no control. One twist in the news cycle, and every exchange in this debate will go down the voter's memory tubes, just like the Invesco Field Obamapalooza after Governor Palin's introduction. An election doesn't rest on debate alone - turnout is much more significant, and THAT we have an ability to affect!

(and thanks lizards, for mentioning the lengthy unblocked solid texts - I cannot say how many posts in how many forums I have been unable to follow from line to line after the twentieth line of script! And like zombie's Most Valuable Essay, these always seem to be the articles I most want to read =( )

Zombie - for my 2 cents, I'd like to see a sans-serif font like Georgia or even New Times Roman over the serif font that's up there as of the last refresh.

re: #35 Occasional Reader

zombie, one small suggestion:

Can you source that via hyperlink?

Haven't had time yet. The actual number is 93%. Post link here to save me effort, fellow researchers!

Stinky is needed on the thread below. Someone is throwing Onions.

re: #56 zombie

OK, starting to enlarge the font and make it sans serif.

Refresh the page. The top part -- is it easier to read now?

Yes, but did you see my idea in #34?

re: #49 hillbilly geek

900 pix is fine, but the paragraph width is still a bit too wide for my taste; you could add more left margin. or cowbell.

I centered it instead.

re: #54 Conservative in Liberal Hands

uh, Zombie... I don't see your magnificent article linked to the home page of Zombietime... is that an oversight or are you letting your lizard siblings have the premier crack at it?

Haven't had time yet!

re: #20 Palandine

Wow. Those Democrats sure know how to ask for Pennsylvanians to vote for them....... You racists! Hey you over there, bitter and clinging to your guns and bibles! Vote for me!
///

So, when the phone rings and the pollster calls -- and your Clever Hans social antennae tell you the pollster is young and liberal and likely an Obama supporter -- would you have the nerve to tell the pollster the truth that you wouldn't vote for Obama in a million years? I mean, they called you; they know your number. They know who you are. Can you be absolutely sure they aren't putting a check mark in the "Racist" box next to your name in some mysterious database?

I agree this is what's going on in a lot of cases, but I can't imagine why. It's one thing in social situations or at work to lay low and let others think you're a Kool-Aid drinker. You probably like these people for other reasons, or at least you have to put up with them beyond Election Day. But why would you lie to a pollster -- a total stranger who has no personal investment in your response? Are most people that pathetically afraid of not being liked? After a lifetime of being unpopular, I don't care what people think. I guess not everyone has moved past high school.

re: #58 RaiderDan

Superb analysis.

The same thing was in effect in 2004. Nobody in the media expected George W. Bush to win.

I still remember laughing at Andrea Mitchell's stunned expression on MSNBC on election night. Greedily, I hope for 1 more time.

re: #62 Bobblehead

Well this. doesn't look very promising. Gulp.

He's just trying to energize the base.

Rove, you magnificent bastard!

re: #66 Conservative in Liberal Hands

Zombie - for my 2 cents, I'd like to see a sans-serif font like Georgia or even New Times Roman over the serif font that's up there as of the last refresh.

Wh-a-a-aT? I'm confused by that. isn't New Times Roman serif?

You could just delete the whole page and put up a pic with the letters "VP" over Hillary.

Zombie:
after reading the first part of your essay.. all I can say is, I sure hope you're right..

re: #75 DeafDog

I still remember laughing at Andrea Mitchell's stunned expression on MSNBC on election night. Greedily, I hope for 1 more time.

Probably the same look she had when she first saw Alan naked.

/ouch!

re: #77 zombie

Wh-a-a-aT? I'm confused by that. isn't New Times Roman serif?

face="Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif"

zombie, if you are not correct, you must be banished to the far corners of the Lizard kingdom.

/

re: #77 zombie

Wh-a-a-aT? I'm confused by that. isn't New Times Roman serif?

Times New Roman is serif.

The body text changes from san-serif to serif near the top, two paras below "The illusory quest for conformist decision-making in the 2008 presidential election "
It's a little confusing... or am I confused? I'm looking at this in broad strokes

The Romans didn't have serfs, they had slaves.

Interesting essay. Thoughtful and insightful. Impressive.

I'm sure you're not using antique things like "align=" and "face=".

You must be using style="text-align:center;font-family:Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif" and the like.

:)

(But I guess maybe the New Romans had serfs... I'll have to check Gibbon.)

re: #84 hillbilly geek

The body text changes from san-serif to serif near the top, two paras below "The illusory quest for conformist decision-making in the 2008 presidential election "
It's a little confusing... or am I confused? I'm looking at this in broad strokes

It changes to serif after this paragraph:

The Obama campaign itself also takes advantage of the sympathetic media to construct a facade of inevitability. The campaign will stage-manage crowds and dictate camera angles so that Obama is seen to not only have overwhelming numbers of fans but the correct demographic proportion of fans; the campaign will coordinate Obama appearances to coincide with rock concerts or other festivals so they can point to the huge crowds who showed up to watch Obama; and the media plays right along.

re: #58 RaiderDan

" Superb analysis.
...Our base is bigger than your base. 2004 showed that."

All your base are belong to us.

re: #83 Ward Cleaver

My bad, guys and gals. I get serif and sans serif confused...

IMO, For long or complex documents a serif font is preferable. Trouble is that there are so few fonts that translate to all browsers and operating systems.

Bet this is the last time Zombie asks us for suggestions.

This is the same tactic the left tried in 2000' and 2004'...hopefully they have the same results!

good one Z i'm hoping for a 50 state sweep by mccain followed by frog marching all the ballot stuffers and vote frauders of the left

re: #91 Conservative in Liberal Hands

My bad, guys and gals. I get serif and sans serif confused...

Look,
McCain: Honor
Obama: Sans Honor

the Asch Conformity Experiment seems to be the take home message here

Serif font is sometimes easier to read in large blocks of text, actually; is why headlines are often san

re: #94 JimmyTheClaw

good one Z i'm hoping for a 50 state sweep by mccain followed by frog marching all the ballot stuffers and vote frauders of the left

I say let them have pwecious Ohio, we take the rest.

Excellent analysis by Zombie. I would extend the Poker analogy further. The Dems and MSM are skewing the polls to make an Obama victory seem inevitiable. Yet the portion of the population that is probably most influenced by this "meta-campaign" is the youngest and least educated voters who in turn make up key demographics of Obama's support. Thus the segment of the voting population most readily influenced by Obama's "meta-campaign" are his own supporters who may actually believe they hold a stronger hand than they do and may not have as strong of an urge to turn out for the actual vote (especially since these demographics, especially the young, tend to have lower turn out ratios). Or in Poker terms the Dems may stand pat on a weak hand when they should have taken a new card or two to strengthen it.

re: #85 Occasional Reader

The Romans didn't have serfs, they had slaves.

Claudius don't serf!

/Pectus Obscurum

re: #80 Ward Cleaver

Probably the same look she had when she first saw Alan naked.

/ouch!

It was a look of horror, so you are on to something.

re: #92 Ward Cleaver

Bet this is the last time Zombie asks us for suggestions.

And Adriana Lima pics! Those should be added, somewhere.

And funny Blazing Saddles outtakes!

I'll read anything that keeps me optimistic about this election!

Some of my best friends--very intelligent all--have this blind allegiance to Obama that is rooted in denial of FACTS.

Interesting analysis, indeed. If I might be a cynic, however, I would say that there are a few leaps of faith before the conclusion. I would like to see Zombie address Occam's Razor in the analysis.

Fascinating, though!

Going off on another tack, if sibling Zombie is correct, and there is an "illogical" result in the election - that is McCain wins, when the perception is that BHO should have won, what will the response be? More "The Republicans stole the election" crap? Armed uprising?

re: #20 Palandine

After smearing the military, Murtha starts in on his racist, redneck, knuckle-dragging constituents

PITTSBURGH (AP) - U.S. Rep. John Murtha says his home base of western Pennsylvania is racist and that could reduce Barack Obama's victory margin in the state by 4 percentage points.
The 17-term Democratic congressman tells the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette in a story posted Wednesday on its Web site that, as he put it: "There is no question that western Pennsylvania is a racist area."

He says it's taken time for many Pennsylvania voters to come around to liking Obama, but he should still win the state, though not in a runaway.

In a separate interview posted Wednesday on the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review's Web site, Murtha says Obama has a problem with the race issue in western Pennsylvania that could shave 4 points off his lead in the state.

i dont live in johnstown but a few of us donated to his opponents campain and added a note that said even if you dont win run again till you unseat him oh and i like to call hum murthafucker

re: #85 Occasional Reader

The Romans didn't have serfs, they had slaves.

RACIST

I though the last sentence was a good quote to pull:

Yet it may very well be that an army of glum, dispirited and pessimistic conservatives will reluctantly trudge to the polls on November 4, each one imagining they are only remaining person in the entire country voting for McCain, and lo and behold -- they'll turn out to be a silent majority after all.

re: #104 Conservative in Liberal Hands

Going off on another tack, if sibling Zombie is correct, and there is an "illogical" result in the election - that is McCain wins, when the perception is that BHO should have won, what will the response be? More "The Republicans stole the election" crap? Armed uprising?

It's already "chosen". Obama didn't win because America is a racist country

I wish I was that optimistic. Of course, you could be right about the polling but wrong about the strategy. They just be exaggerating his support so that it doesn't look so funny when ACORN stuffs the box.

re: #104 Conservative in Liberal Hands

Going off on another tack, if sibling Zombie is correct, and there is an "illogical" result in the election - that is McCain wins, when the perception is that BHO should have won, what will the response be? More "The Republicans stole the election" crap? Armed uprising?

From Carville to someone named Ali in philly,there have been hints of riots for months. I suspect this is tamping down vocal support for McCain. Nobody wants the rioteers at their house on Nov 5th

You could remove:

<font style="font-size:15" face="Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif"><b>Who Does the Polling?</b></font>

and replace with

<style>
h2 {font-size:15pt;font-family:Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif;}
</style>

<h2>Who Does the Polling</h2>

re: #110 SpartanWoman

From Carville to someone named Ali in philly,there have been hints of riots for months. I suspect this is tamping down vocal support for McCain. Nobody wants the rioteers at their house on Nov 5th

They can come to mine! I have a surprise for them.

Heh. Meant to say they could just be..., but the ebonics works out fine.

Looks good, big Z. San serif all the way down.

re: #110 SpartanWoman

From Carville to someone named Ali in philly,there have been hints of riots for months. I suspect this is tamping down vocal support for McCain. Nobody wants the rioteers at their house on Nov 5th

ATTENTION RIOTERS ,,, I HAVE 2 WORDS FOR YOU

BUCK
SHOT

(not being a redneck, that actually may only be one word)

Very good piece, I just hope it's not wishful thinking.

OK:

Increased point size throughout

Made sans-serif

Increased size of chapter headings

Added space before chapter headings.

Underlined chapter headings.

Made fixed-width.

Centered text block.

...Getting there!

re: #108 sattv4u2

It's already "chosen". Obama didn't win because America is a racist country

Yes, the Great Basement Uprising of Nov. 5, 2008 will occur from 12:15 to 12:25 pm local time, because Gilligan's Island comes on at 12:30.

The orange Cheetos-dust handprints and the scent of unwashed pits will take time and effort to wash away. Eventually, statues will be erected commemorating Bob Denver for his part in quelling the uprising. These statues will persist through the ages, causing future historians to dispute the legends that John McCain was old, given the apparent youth of the heroic sailor portrayed in the sculptures.

re: #110 SpartanWoman

Nobody wants the rioteers at their house

Ricky Rioter and the Rioteers?

re: #108 sattv4u2

Agreed! But there was such a hue-and-cry from liberal quarters over the last election. And this time we're having the race card played as well...

One thing that bothers me is that BHO's campaign is spending a lot of money running television - Cable and broadcast - on ads. Wht is he spending when Illinois is a "Done Deal".

Got to go and make some money. TTFN!

*refreshed*

ah.. much better on the eyes..

Zombie, here's a page from Media Research Center with several surveys/articles on Media Liberal Bias...

[Link: www.mediaresearch.org...]

re: #110 SpartanWoman

From Carville to someone named Ali in philly,there have been hints of riots for months. I suspect this is tamping down vocal support for McCain. Nobody wants the rioteers at their house on Nov 5th

Eh, I got nothing else to do, and the roof isn't that uncomfortable.

Bring on the Riots, actually. I'd like to see just how far these idiots push things. Reminds me of the ROP actually

re: #119 OldLineTexan

Yes, the Great Basement Uprising of Nov. 5, 2008 will occur from 12:15 to 12:25 pm local time, because Gilligan's Island comes on at 12:30.

The orange Cheetos-dust handprints and the scent of unwashed pits will take time and effort to wash away. Eventually, statues will be erected commemorating Bob Denver for his part in quelling the uprising. These statues will persist through the ages, causing future historians to dispute the legends that John McCain was old, given the apparent youth of the heroic sailor portrayed in the sculptures.

I have a cure for that

FIRE
HOSE

Zombie,

The wider margins are a big improvement. It could even be a little wider in my opinion.

I considered it, but I thought Milgram was off-topic for this particular essay.

No, really? I got a real "because we are telling you this it must be true" vibe from your piece.

Milgrim studied the effects of groups on individual behavior- in the aftermath of Nurenberg he thought that the defense of "I was only following orders" would not hold up to his trials.

3/4 of those in the trials hit the 450 "volts" even after the "learner" complained of pain, illness and then grew silent. . .

Milgrim was a student of Ashe and felt groups were very much the wildcard on humans behaving badly. . .like if enough people TELL you it is ok to wear a shirt that says Sarah Palin is a . . ., then you will feel it is ok to do so, even if cultural norms still find it offensive. . .and so on. . .

re: #115 sattv4u2

ATTENTION RIOTERS ,,, I HAVE 2 WORDS FOR YOU

BUCK
SHOT

(not being a redneck, that actually may only be one word)

A real redneck don't give a tinker's dam about how to spell that. It's wrote on the durned box, ya idjit!

/

To me, it doesn't really matter much if Obama wins, or not. We all know he is no centrist candidate. He will appoint Marxists or "socially-concerned" liberals to Cabinet positions. He will propose --and a Democrat Congress will legislate--laws which curtail freedom and capitalism. He will force his will on as many as possible. And his one-term Presidency will come to a grinding halt. Americans will reject his socialism in overwhelming numbers in 2012.

Don't get me wrong--I hope McCain wins and I will vote for him. A four-year Obama disease will be painful and wretched. But the immunity which will build in voters' minds will last for much longer.

re: #125 Jewels (AKA Julian)

Bring on the Riots, actually.

Better yet, don't.

re: #130 OldLineTexan

A real redneck don't give a tinker's dam about how to spell that. It's wrote on the durned box, ya idjit!

/

I never pay attention to the OUTSIDE of boxes. I'm interested on whats INSIDE!

re: #110 SpartanWoman

From Carville to someone named Ali in philly,there have been hints of riots for months. I suspect this is tamping down vocal support for McCain. Nobody wants the rioteers at their house on Nov 5th

Let them come!

re: #133 sattv4u2

I never pay attention to the OUTSIDE of boxes. I'm interested on whats INSIDE!

Yew maight be a redneck...

How about a picture of you, zombie?

Heh. :P

re: #125 Jewels (AKA Julian)

Bring on the Riots, actually. I'd like to see just how far these idiots push things. Reminds me of the ROP actually

A lot like them. Threatening violence while claiming victim status and calling every critic a racist or islamophobe.

re: #134 Dianna

Let them come!

Not Ali in Philly...

Ali in-Filli

re: #131 Timbre

If the media keeps felating him for the next four years and telling everyone that his screw ups are good for us, who the hell knows what will happen. I mean, this economic meltdown is the Republicans fault. What the hell isn't Bush's fault?

I'm not terribly confident that if American's don't reject Obama in '08 or if they at least don't come damn close to doing so, that things won't just get worse come '12.

re: #136 the_flying_pig

How about a picture of you, zombie?

Heh. :P

Your punishment is to apply the pixelization to all the inflated scrotum crotch shots. By hand, using MacPaint.

Damn Zombie, I'll drink to that!

re: #133 sattv4u2

I never pay attention to the OUTSIDE of boxes. I'm interested on whats INSIDE!

#1, plated, buffered. Best bet.

I looked at the pictures. Pictures purty!

Loved the last paragraph. People will be voting for McCain thinking they will be the only people on Earth voting for McCain.

Zombie the Prophet.

This also explains why Obama want to do away with the secret ballot of union elections (and who knows what other elections if he gets the chance). This will remove the differential between normative and informational conformity, Of course, this also opens up the process for less subtle coercion. He is actually to the left of Mcgovern on this issue!

re: #140 Scion9

If the media keeps felating him for the next four years and telling everyone that his screw ups are good for us, who the hell knows what will happen. I mean, this economic meltdown is the Republicans fault. What the hell isn't Bush's fault?

I'm not terribly confident that if American's don't reject Obama in '08 or if they at least don't come damn close to doing so, that things won't just get worse come '12.

But what will they do once they realize that they are also under the bus they helped fuel?

Imagine a MSM devoid of ANY critical comments about the POUS. . .when the truth squads get up and running. . .remember V foir vendetta

We report the news, we don't invent it. That's the government's job.

The is a restaurant about 25 miles from my house that is called "Sans Food".

Bet everyone there is really hungry.

I make that joke to the poor soul in my car with me, or to myself every time I pass it.

I can't believe Rove has Obama winning Virginia easily.
Okay, okay. I know about ACORN and northern VA/DC area. And downtown Richmond is a mess. But most of the state is bitter and clingy.
I hope the Undead One's very interesting thesis is correct.

re: #144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I looked at the pictures. Pictures purty!

Loved the last paragraph. People will be voting for McCain thinking they will be the only people on Earth voting for McCain.

Zombie the Prophet.

The Omega Voter

re: #104 Conservative in Liberal Hands

Going off on another tack, if sibling Zombie is correct, and there is an "illogical" result in the election - that is McCain wins, when the perception is that BHO should have won, what will the response be? More "The Republicans stole the election" crap? Armed uprising?

I couldn't agree more. I believe the polls are skewed in BHO's favor and will contribute to un-rest through-out the nation should McCain win. If we thought the 2000 mantra of "Bush stole the election" was big, the results of a McCain win will make that look like nothing in comparison. There is a part of me that thinks this may be a strategy by the MSM to cover their bets so to speak.

re: #146 DisturbedEma

V for Vendetta should be watched with the closed captions ON! A whole lot escapes passive listening.

That said, love movies about revolution/hate movies about terrorism. Talk about cognitive dissonance.

re: #20 Palandine

Oh yah, Baby. I'm talkin' to you, The Mutha Who Will Remain Unnamed. May your empty rhetoric be forgotten faster than you have been.

Oh yahy, and thanks for the votes, you Dolt.

re: #149 OldLineTexan

The Omega Voter

I believe you just named it.

Excellent article, but one end note:

When a person is in the voting booth, private and secret ballot, they will vote their true desires, regardless of what they publicly. Even though they may conform in front of an audience of their peers, each human still shares their own independence of thought with themselves.

Unless of course, the Obamatons have been sharing the Wealth Spread...

Nice job Zombie. I enjoyed reading that.

re: #148 wolfie

I can't believe Rove has Obama winning Virginia easily.
Okay, okay. I know about ACORN and northern VA/DC area. And downtown Richmond is a mess. But most of the state is bitter and clingy.
I hope the Undead One's very interesting thesis is correct.

Weirdly, my consolation on looking at the Rove site is that he was proven quite wrong in 2006. Let's hope he's wrong again, but, you know, our side wins this time.

re: #144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Zombie the Prophet.

I'm getting a bit fey.

Queen's Prophet's Song - don't watch the video. It's just a Freddie slide-show.

re: #110 SpartanWoman

An acquaintance of mine actually said she was torn re the issues but was voting for Obama because she was afraid "it would tear the country apart" if he were to lose.

re: #149 OldLineTexan

The Omega Voter

You know, sometimes you Texans aren't half as dumb as Obama thinks you are.

Well done.

Zombie, well analyzed and written. I agree with Wright1, for the most part:

re: #22 wright1

Where I disagree is in the statement that it will be closer than we think. I personally don't think it will be close at all. I think we have a chance for McCain to take an overwhelming victory home. That may be unduly optimistic, but for all the reasons that you state, Z, there is a chance of it coming true.

My personal anecdote - I am 40-something, and haven't missed a presidential vote since I have been eligible. Until now, I have never donated to any campaign. I am planning to send some last minute cash to at least one pro-McCain PAC this year, I am so certain that Obama is the wrong answer for this nation. I firmly believe that I am a majority kind of guy. There are a lot of us "silent majority" types out there.

re: #74 doppelganglander

"why would you lie to a pollster -- a total stranger who has no personal investment in your response? Are most people that pathetically afraid of not being liked? "

O contraire...i suspect that people lie to pollsters (in part) because they're telling the pollsters -- FOAD...And it's a way to give a pollster the finger, so to speak...It's like a joke -- the pollster (Mr. Bureaucrat is rabidly scribbling away, assuming the person is being "totally honest"), while the person is giving totally bogus answers...It's like a gag.

re: #136 the_flying_pig

How about a picture of you, zombie?

Heh. :P

Close your eyes,think of a dead person, picture it walking

ZOMBIE !

re: #158 wolfie

Your friend deserves her fate, then.

It is refreshing to read someone who understands that opinion polls are unreliable and subject to many biases, not all of them intentional.

Polling agencies get paid by customers to deliver results. If you disappoint the customer often enough they will take their business elsewhere. For the same reason the Pinkerton Agency told McClellan that the confederates numbered in the hundreds of thousands, polling agencies are bound to bias their samples to please their customers.

re: #127 taxfreekiller

simply put

cheaters never win

Except for the New England Patriots

re: #158 wolfie

An acquaintance of mine actually said she was torn re the issues but was voting for Obama because she was afraid "it would tear the country apart" if he were to lose.

buy her a WHITE GUILT T-Shirt

re: #157 Dianna

Always loved that song

Now I know...
Now I know....

re: #151 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

V for Vendetta should be watched with the closed captions ON! A whole lot escapes passive listening.

Please don't tell me you thought highly of that flick.

A theofascistic Church of England police state... riiiight.
I can see that happening real soon.

Wow. That was a fascinating bit of reading.

Right in the middle of it, I got a phone call.

Guess what? A pollster!

I had to laugh.

Never give up hope!

re: #157 Dianna

I'm getting a bit fey.

Queen's Prophet's Song - don't watch the video. It's just a Freddie slide-show.

CRAPPY LAPTOP SPEAKERS! AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!

Rasmussen trends:

October 11 51.90 - 44.56 + 7.34 O
October 12 51.09 - 45.02 + 6.07 O
October 13 50.43 - 44.69 + 5.74 O
October 14 50.23 - 44.60 + 5.63 O
October 15 49.98 - 44.60 + 5.38 O

re: #145 jrdidner

re: #154 jdubya

Excellent article, but one end note:

When a person is in the voting booth, private and secret ballot, they will vote their true desires, regardless of what they publicly. Even though they may conform in front of an audience of their peers, each human still shares their own independence of thought with themselves.

Unless of course, the Obamatons have been sharing the Wealth Spread...

I recall my late mother in law lying to a pollster after she voted in the Dinking v Giuliani race in NYC. I asked why she said she voted for DInkins when she voted Rudy, her reply was "do you think I'm stupid, they might find out where I live"

Very interesting article - a great writer too. Thanks for that.

re: #151 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

V for Vendetta should be watched with the closed captions ON! A whole lot escapes passive listening.

That said, love movies about revolution/hate movies about terrorism. Talk about cognitive dissonance.

They are all based on perspective, V for Vendetta is a really great example of the complex nature of things like the situations leading up to social upheaval. . .and perversion of justice and such is an equal opportunity event. . .no matter what LLL say. . .in fact, LLL are worse, because they take a slogan like

we want to spread the wealth around and call anyone who complains selfish

They say change is needed and call anyone who questions that change a racist

Up is the new down. . .

re: #169 Davida

Wow. That was a fascinating bit of reading.

Right in the middle of it, I got a phone call.

Guess what? A pollster!

I had to laugh.

Never give up hope!

Did you lie?

re: #169 Davida

Didgya lie?

My political Platform would be:

1. Slash the political salaries of Congress to reflect the income of the "average" American adult.

2. Double the penalties for political crimes.

zombie,
corrections in Bradley Effect section:
1st main paragraph, 1st sentence: Despite... black candidate but who will lie...
Next paragraph, 3rd sentence: Until until ...

For the first time in weeks I'm feeling a little....optimistic.

Zombie, I'm scared!

re: #175 hermeneutics

Damn, you're fast!

re: #168 Occasional Reader

Nope. Thought was a bit preachy! But, for what they were doing it was okay. Church of Obama scares me more.

re: #167 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I know. I'm wandering YouTube in search of stuff that reinforces my fey mood. I'm trying to remember that Alan Parson's Project song about the prophet. And the one about the pyramids that isn't pyramidiots.

Excellent work, Zombie! I'd say it was mind-blowing but it was too coherent for that. I shall upding your 1st post to reward you for your blog excellence. :D

ot
more bad news for the anti-war effort

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

zombie: you're going to have to start using CSS. Dealing with all those font tags is completely unnecessary. Just mark each paragraph as a paragraph, and style the paragraph element with CSS. For example, in the HEAD section of the page:

<style type="text/css">
p {
font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: small;
line-height: 140%;
}
</style>

There are lots of ways to size the font; I used the 'small' keyword. Try 'x-small', 'medium' and 'large' as well, and you can also use percentage sizes and pixel sizes if you must.

Then in the BODY section, each paragraph is marked up like this:

<p>Two campaigns are being waged right now for the presidency of the United States. No, I'm not talking about the Obama campaign and the McCain campaign. I'm talking about the <strong>real-world campaign</strong> and the <strong>meta-campaign</strong>. </p>

Subheadings can be marked up as H1 (through H5) elements, and given sizes and styles the same way the paragraphs are styled.

This isn't difficult to learn, and it's much easier to maintain than a big mess of FONT tags.

re: #158 wolfie

An acquaintance of mine actually said she was torn re the issues but was voting for Obama because she was afraid "it would tear the country apart" if he were to lose.

I see you said acquaintance, smart move. Friends don't let friends vote Bama

re: #168 Occasional Reader

Didn't the hero in "V" say that the Koran is filled with "wonderful poetry" or something like that?

/Natalie Portman was in it - that's enough for me to avoid it! I don't care much that some consider her "beautiful", her "beauty" doesn't nullify the emptiness I sense in her head.

re: #174 DisturbedEma

V for Vendetta is a really great example of the complex nature of things

I thought it was about as complex and incisive as a dorm room sophomore bong-fueled bull session. Please.

re: #130 OldLineTexan

A real redneck don't give a tinker's dam about how to spell that. It's wrote on the durned box, ya idjit!

/

better yet flame thrower rounds for your mossberg

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

[Link: www.pafoa.org...]

good to turn the tide of any mob attacks

re: #168 Occasional Reader

Please don't tell me you thought highly of that flick.

A theofascistic Church of England police state... riiiight.
I can see that happening real soon.

That is one way of looking at it. . .but it is more than that. . .and if you look now at GB you see a different kind of theocracy growing. . .read Melanie Phillips. . .

re: #163 Dianna

Your friend deserves her fate, then.

True.
Alas, we will have to share it.

re: #159 Occasional Reader

You know, sometimes you Texans aren't half as dumb as Obama thinks you are.

Well done.

He has been pasting us with that tax ad...it's inhuman. Like glowing-eyed, undead*, bloodsuckingly inhumna.

/*no offense to zombie

re: #187 mitthrawnurdo

Didn't the hero in "V" say that the Koran is filled with "wonderful poetry" or something like that?

Bingo!

It was the most abjectly pro-terrorism, anti-Western mainstream flick I can think of.

I lied to a pollster because I didn't want the Secret Service showing up at my door like what happened to that poor McCain supporter who told the Obama pollster that she'd never vote for Obama and he'd leave babies to die on the floor. The pollster made up the lie that the woman has threaten Obama.

ZOMBIE - that was great, just a great essay. I am e-mailing it to bunches of people.

re: #190 DisturbedEma

Huh?

re: #177 DistantThunder

2. Double the penalties for political crimes.

Uh, zero times two...

But seriously, what are you thinking?

re: #187 mitthrawnurdo

Didn't the hero in "V" say that the Koran is filled with "wonderful poetry" or something like that?

/Natalie Portman was in it - that's enough for me to avoid it! I don't care much that some consider her "beautiful", her "beauty" doesn't nullify the emptiness I sense in her head.

Oh, no not the hero, a marytr to freedom, Korans are banned in the movie, bibles are now suspect in many British circles. . .read Phillips!

Not to be the wet blanket here - especially since I agree with all Zombie has to say about polls and polling techniques - but the one poll I do trust is the Vegas betting line.

The last time I checked (less than a week ago) - Obama was a large betting favorite.

John McCain +$350
Barack Obama -$500

Of course these lines are designed to get equal action on both sides of the equation. So maybe it just means that Obama bettors THINK this is a sure thing while McCain people would need a premium to put their money on the line.

The betting odds are similar to what you would have seen for last year's Super Bowl. That's the good news. The bad news is a favorite this big (according to the betting line) usually wins.

Thanks Zombie,

I've been trying to explain this to my son and wife over the last few days. I'll just have them read it instead.

O.K. Mac, Man up for the debate.

Great job Mr. Zombie! I just emailed your article (link) to some of my friends as a pick-me-up.

re: #166 sattv4u2

buy her a WHITE GUILT T-Shirt

Heh.
Hmmmm,......didn't a black conservative.......I THINK it was Walter Williams.......used to sell Absolution of Guilt Certificates for whites?
Hmmmmmmmmm...........

re: #177 DistantThunder

2. Double the penalties for political crimes.

Pardon me... we don't have a category of "political crimes" in this country, nor should we.

OK, I've now added it to the front page of zombietime, and to zomblog, where readers can leave comments.

re: #197 abolitionist

Uh, zero times two...

But seriously, what are you thinking?

Crimes committed while in office or running for office. We had 12 Democrats frog-marched away from a meeting last year here in NJ where they were taking bribes.

re: #191 wolfie

At least we will know when to begin resisting.

re: #193 Occasional Reader

Bingo!

It was the most abjectly pro-terrorism, anti-Western mainstream flick I can think of.

Did you not see Body of lies?

re: #194 DistantThunder

I lied to a pollster because I didn't want the Secret Service showing up at my door like what happened to that poor McCain supporter who told the Obama pollster that she'd never vote for Obama and he'd leave babies to die on the floor. The pollster made up the lie that the woman has threaten Obama.

That will certainly slant the polls but not the election toward Obama. I myself was polled but the question did not ask who I'd vote for but if I had a favorable opinion of the candidates. I said "highly favorable" for both. I don't need vandalism

re: #185 Charles

zombie - I recently learned some basic css and before I did felt as you might feel now, a bit intimidated, but once I got into it I realized it's an infinitely more convenient way to do things and after you learn to use it you'll wonder why you ever thought it was intimidating. :)

re: #110 SpartanWoman

Nobody wants the rioteers at their house on Nov 5th

I don't know about anyone else but it would be pretty hard to get into my house on Nov 5th, too many bodies in the way

/

re: #118 zombie

Zombie, I don't care what font or page size you use. That is one of the best essays, both on politics and group-dynamic psychology, I have ever read. (And I've read quite a few in my checkered career, although strictly speaking, I'm like Professor Quatermass*). Well Done.

And speaking of "reading", Joe Biden's heavily-armed convoy motorcade went right by my house this afternoon, sirens howling, lights flashing, motorcycle engines thundering, enroute to a campaign appearance at Ohio U- Lancaster campus. I was out front, having heard the sirens and assuming that I was going to see a local PD officer with an unsafe driver sitting in front of my house, saying "What part of pull over don't you understand?" I was struck by the thought that Biden may be in this not just for the power, but for the ego-boo of being squired around like an OPEC bigwig everywhere he goes.

As I said, I was standing out front, watching it go by.

Right next to my McCain/Palin sign.

And hoping Joe the Mouth looked out the window and saw it.

(* Colonel Breen; "Do you ever find your previous career catching up with you?"
Professor Quatermass; "I never had a 'career'. Only work."

-Julian Glover/Andrew Keir, Quatermass and the Pit)

cheers

eon

Later.

re: #202 wolfie

Heh.
Hmmmm,......didn't a black conservative.......I THINK it was Walter Williams.......used to sell Absolution of Guilt Certificates for whites?
Hmmmmmmmmm...........

A), seeing that I have never felt guilty about anything but my own trespasses,
and
B) seeing that I never owned a slave nor treated anyone different due to race (ignorance, yes, but race, no)
EQUALS
C) Don't Need To Buy No Certificate!

re: #74 doppelganglander

I agree this is what's going on in a lot of cases, but I can't imagine why. It's one thing in social situations or at work to lay low and let others think you're a Kool-Aid drinker. You probably like these people for other reasons, or at least you have to put up with them beyond Election Day. But why would you lie to a pollster -- a total stranger who has no personal investment in your response? Are most people that pathetically afraid of not being liked? After a lifetime of being unpopular, I don't care what people think. I guess not everyone has moved past high school.

That's the whole point of the Solomon Asch section. People will lie and give the "wrong" answer, even to people they don't know.

zombie, i love you but i'll have to print your report and read it over several days.

In keeping with my increasingly fey mood: children of the moon

Too late to save us, but try to understand...

We let the blind man lead the way too long,
Easy to see where we went wrong.

re: #199 chris_l

That's all well and good, but I know there's a bunch of obamaBackers that got money to literally throw away - which may have some effect on that betting line. Of course, I'm only using Zombie as a source for this stuff, since it's following the same equation - trying to effect the outcome by throwing money at it.

re: #214 zombie

That's the whole point of the Solomon Asch section. People will lie and give the "wrong" answer, even to people they don't know.

If they have my number, they might be able to get my address. I will lie evertime. I'd rather look pathetically undecided than have uninvited guests

re: #163 Dianna

Your friend deserves her fate, then.

Unfortunately, it becomes everyone's fate :(

re: #215 phoenixgirl

zombie, i love you but i'll have to print your report and read it over several days.

tree killer

I conduct my own polling. Being a consultant who travels most of the time, I get to discuss this election with many different people in many different places.

I maintain that Obama is UNELECTABLE, and all those polls are meaningless. You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool most of the people. I don't believe that more than half of America is idiotic to a degree that they will vote this fraudulent character into power. He doesn't represent the Mainstream, and repulses more people than he and his supporters can imagine.

speaking of Biden......
[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]

re: #161 J.S.

"why would you lie to a pollster -- a total stranger who has no personal investment in your response? Are most people that pathetically afraid of not being liked? "

O contraire...i suspect that people lie to pollsters (in part) because they're telling the pollsters -- FOAD...And it's a way to give a pollster the finger, so to speak...It's like a joke -- the pollster (Mr. Bureaucrat is rabidly scribbling away, assuming the person is being "totally honest"), while the person is giving totally bogus answers...It's like a gag.

There could be some of that going on. Americans area contrarian lot.

Great article Zombie. Thanks. (I hope you are correct too...)

What time is the debate scheduled to start? 9pm Eastern?

re: #219 WF Bach

Unfortunately, it becomes everyone's fate :(

Too bad we can't isolate the increased taxes and just fleece the obots

re: #219 WF Bach

It need not.

We can, perhaps, say, "She is equal to her fate, then" and be in some kind of agreement?

re: #203 Occasional Reader

Pardon me... we don't have a category of "political crimes" in this country, nor should we.

Tell that to Scooter Libby.

OT:

Al-Qaeda In Iraq's #2 Top Guy Is Killed By U.S. Troops!

re: #139 sloggin420

re: #140 Scion9

Then people like you two and me will have to do something about that. And keep telling our associates to not buy anything from any person or group who does homage to Obama.

re: #148 wolfie
Have no immediate link but I think Obamas TV ad campaign budget in VA spent about 2 mil. He is loaded with cash for last minute advertising saturation.

re: #221 myx0mop

I conduct my own polling. Being a consultant who travels most of the time, I get to discuss this election with many different people in many different places.

I maintain that Obama is UNELECTABLE, and all those polls are meaningless. You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool most of the people. I don't believe that more than half of America is idiotic to a degree that they will vote this fraudulent character into power. He doesn't represent the Mainstream, and repulses more people than he and his supporters can imagine.

The Titanic was also described as unsinkable.

Trickle Up Poverty

Obama's Economic Plan per Michael Weiner, PhD

217 - Cap't Doc - I don't disagree. It's just that when it comes to putting money on the line KosKids and the like are less willing to put their money where their mouth is. Off course betting lines are also subject to off-shore money too. $1 million spread over several casinos or off-shore betting sites would certainly influence the lines and what better way to reap a bit of profit from this sort of manipulation?

re: #202 wolfie

Heh.
Hmmmm,......didn't a black conservative.......I THINK it was Walter Williams.......used to sell Absolution of Guilt Certificates for whites?
Hmmmmmmmmm...........

Not only did none of my ancestors own slaves or participate in the slave trade in any way, my paternal ancestors didn't hit these shores till World War I. The maternal ones fought for the North in the Civil War. So, I'm gonna print out my own Absolution of Guilt Certificate.

re: #220 sattv4u2

tree killer

specieist

OT:

...and In Daily Media Bias News.....Check The Headline....then read the article.

re: #228 WrathofG-d

OT:

Al-Qaeda In Iraq's #2 Top Guy Is Killed By U.S. Troops!

But,But, Ah... Ah.. But Al-Qaeda is getting stronger - Barry the O

/

re: #150 GeeWiz

I couldn't agree more. I believe the polls are skewed in BHO's favor and will contribute to un-rest through-out the nation should McCain win. If we thought the 2000 mantra of "Bush stole the election" was big, the results of a McCain win will make that look like nothing in comparison. There is a part of me that thinks this may be a strategy by the MSM to cover their bets so to speak.

But isn't that the purpose of all this? To create enough chaos and doubt in our system that "someone has to do something about this, damn the Constitution". Whether McCain wins or loses the left/Marxists will try to milk the confusion, hatred, bitterness until this "grand experiment" falls.

re: #234 arethusa

Not only did none of my ancestors own slaves or participate in the slave trade in any way, my paternal ancestors didn't hit these shores till World War I. The maternal ones fought for the North in the Civil War. So, I'm gonna print out my own Absolution of Guilt Certificate.

Yes, but you enjoy the benefits of a culture built by slaves, therefore, pay up, sucka.

re: #206 Dianna

At least we will know when to begin resisting.

Amen.

re: #231 rawmuse

The Titanic was also described as unsinkable.

I agree with you but my husband agrees with myx, but then he is the son of a lady who lies to exit pollsters

re: #233 chris_l

Slightly tangential: Wasn't there also some study a few years back that suggested liberals do not give as much to charity as conservatives? (Just from among my acquaintances and the V-P tax returns, I would believe that.)

re: #228 WrathofG-d

Oh no! That means he'll be breeding more real quick! The war is lost! Ahhhh...

re: #231 rawmuse

The Titanic was also described as unsinkable.

It was. In fact, it never sank. It was all a plot involving the Jewish tycoon, John Jacob Astor, who supposedly drowned ...

Interesting and well researched theory. However, I'll still be very surprised if Obama wins. The LLL's heads will explode.

re: #240 wolfie

Amen.

I'm resisting already. Bitter, clingy, etc. Plus, I have eight years experience as The Hated Class under Bill Clinton, so I already have my boot camp done.

re: #241 SpartanWoman

I guess that's why we have Elections. ;)

re: #237 Viking6

But,But, Ah... Ah.. But Al-Qaeda is getting stronger - Barry the O

/

not to mention NOT in Iraq

re: #239 rawmuse

Yes, but you enjoy the benefits of a culture built by slaves, therefore, pay up, sucka.

Do the Egyptians & the Persians have to pay Israel reperations for enslaving the Israelites many centuries ago?

re: #245 Killgore Trout

Interesting and well researched theory. However, I'll still be very surprised if Obama wins. The LLL's heads will explode.

I don't follow you, here.

re: #249 Kenneth

Do the Egyptians & the Persians have to pay Israel reperations for enslaving the Israelites many centuries ago?

Should have put the sarc taggy. The Slavery Reparations Issue is one of my pet ones, and I have been following it for more than a decade. So, I know all the counter-arguments by now.

re: #247 rawmuse

I guess that's why we have Elections. ;)

With lovely secret ballots..for now anyway. I like the purple finger idea though but make it last a month so that absentees can't revote again and again

re: #74 doppelganglander

I agree this is what's going on in a lot of cases, but I can't imagine why. It's one thing in social situations or at work to lay low and let others think you're a Kool-Aid drinker. You probably like these people for other reasons, or at least you have to put up with them beyond Election Day. But why would you lie to a pollster -- a total stranger who has no personal investment in your response? Are most people that pathetically afraid of not being liked? After a lifetime of being unpopular, I don't care what people think. I guess not everyone has moved past high school.

Except for the one who said "not over my dead body" and the secret service showed up at her door. Good thing she didnt live where the truth squads are meandering through town.

re: #250 OldLineTexan

Sorry- that should have been "If Obama loses"

re: #214 zombie

another problem for the pollsters (i believe this issue has also come up here on Lgf), is the issue of "confidentiality" and "anonymity" (these two terms are not synonymous), but people who are polled suspect that their names are "known" (violating "confidentiality"), and that their "anonymity" won't be preserved...( i see this as the continued dissolution of, heretofore, expected integrity/honesty, etc., of mainstream institutions...)

re: #237 Viking6

Exactly. But the truth is that the success in Iraq might contribute to why McCain is hurting in the polls etc. The same thing happened to Churchill after defeating the Nazis in WW2.

This is WONDERFUL news however! Way to go U.S.A.!

re: #254 Killgore Trout

Sorry- that should have been "If Obama loses"

Check, and double-check!

Here's to "Scanners" for a generation of rich political imagery!

re: #40 taxfreekiller

Zombie Zooms Zap Zero

"tfk" -

Reminds me of visiting a friend, summer of '04. Lived across from the local Yeshiva. It was the last day before summer vacation and the kids were horsing around, it got a bit loud and the Police showed up - looked at my friend and said, can see the headline in tomorrow's Asbury Park Press -
BELMAR BULLS BUST BODACIOUS BUCHER BOYS!

-S-

re: #239 rawmuse

Yes, but you enjoy the benefits of a culture built by slaves, therefore, pay up, sucka.

Meh. I'm fairly certain that a good economist (true or not) might be able to make the argument that it was always the industrialized North that drove the American economy, not the agricultural slave society South.

By the way, those same ancestors remember signs like "No Irish Need Apply" or "No Catholics Need Apply."

re: #188 Occasional Reader

I was working part-time in a collector's comic shop when VfV came out, and got an employee's discount on everything. Plus, I have, and enjoyed, Moore's League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (although I like the movie version better). And I even mildly liked both the GN and film versions of From Hell, even recognizing that it's based on one of the most preposterous "conspiracy theories" about the Whitechapel Serial Killer of 1888 (commonly though inaccurately known as "Jack the Ripper"), and was in fact merely a warmed-over version of the far superior 1979 Christopher Plummer/James Mason film, Murder By Decree.

With all that, I skimmed the first two issues of VfV and forgot about it.

I later picked up the DVD of VfV, on sale for $4, more from curiosity as to how the story ended than anything else. Even on sale, I consider it overpriced.

That tells you all you need to know about my take on it.

cheers

eon

re: #251 rawmuse

No worries, I took your sarcasm. I hope you notice mine. Lately, I'm feeling very sarcastic.

re: #256 WrathofG-d

tru dat!

re: #249 Kenneth

No, infidel. In fact, the Israelis should pay all them reparations for existing. Jews should only be in Islamic lands as dhimmis.

/Until the Madhi arrives, who will abolish the jiza tax and dhimmi status.

//What both countries probably believe right now.

re: #231 rawmuse

Yes, and in this case Obama is the Titanic, and all his cult members are the passengers. They are convinced they are invincible. We shall see..

Zombie, It's so weird you should write this essay, Me and my buddy were discussing this exact same thing last week. But instead of writing an essay about it, we made it into a drinking game. :(

Good job and a great read.

re: #261 Kenneth

No worries, I took your sarcasm. I hope you notice mine. Lately, I'm feeling very sarcastic.

Aren't we all?

re: #84 hillbilly geek

The body text changes from san-serif to serif near the top, two paras below "The illusory quest for conformist decision-making in the 2008 presidential election "
It's a little confusing... or am I confused? I'm looking at this in broad strokes

Refresh.