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Final Presidential Debate 2008, The Wrap-Up

Politics | Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 7:32:51 pm PDT

OK, it’s over, the wives are suddenly on stage, and here’s a thread for post-debate wrangling.

At least they didn’t hug.

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1 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:34:11pm

Johnny Mac did well. I hope it was enough.

2 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:34:27pm

Browkaw declares Joe Plumber the winner.

3 JacksonTn  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:34:35pm

Are the Wright ads out yet ...

4 zombie  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:34:37pm

I declare that McCain was the winner in REALITY.

But the MSM will declare Obama the winner in their fantasyland.

5 bosforus  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:34:50pm

Glad to hear the "McCain wooped a**" news. Time for the MSM coverup.

6 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:34:53pm

I wonder if Joe is hugging his wife too.

7 Shug  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:35:04pm

McCain Won big

8 jaunte  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:35:08pm

Well that was a relief. McCain did well.

9 JSK1121  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:35:11pm

re: #2 Sharmuta

Browkaw declares Joe Plumber the winner.

Do you know how much business he'll get outta this? He's a B List celeb after this debate. 20 mentions!

10 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:35:33pm

re: #4 zombie

I declare that McCain was the winner in REALITY.

But the MSM will declare Obama the winner in their fantasyland.

And whine and scream about McCain running a negative campaign.

11 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:35:43pm

refreshing for comments

12 zombie  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:35:44pm

Damn, I hope they wanded everyone in that crowd. The Secret Service guys can keep their eyes on everyone at once.

13 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:35:49pm

If you aint cheating, you aint trying to hope and change.

14 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:35:52pm

re: #9 JSK1121

Most famous political plumber since Watergate.

15 looking closely  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:35:58pm

Holy cow. I was scared, but glad I watched THAT.

Where was this McCain the last two debates?

16 jaunte  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:36:16pm

A toast to all good plumbers.

17 nyc redneck  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:36:20pm

mccain won.

18 zombie  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:36:21pm

re: #5 bosforus

Glad to hear the "McCain wooped a**" news. Time for the MSM coverup.

It's already starting.

19 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:36:25pm

re: #15 looking closely

Holy cow. I was scared, but glad I watched THAT.

Where was this McCain the last two debates?

Setting this one up...

20 Outrider  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:36:26pm

Cue for all the posters with under 300 comments to start slamming McCain. On 3...2...1...Go

21 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:36:41pm

Zombie

MY 8 YEAR OLD HAS AUTISM. . .SHUT THE FUCK UP! You have NO idea what it is like and FUCKING knock it off!

22 bryantms  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:36:41pm

McCain surprised even me...he was really on top of it tonight.

23 rw in san diego  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:36:41pm

re: #12 zombie

You're just saying that because of the people you often hang out with!

24 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:36:53pm

I couldn't face it this time. Too much OTHER stress in my life.

25 Catttt  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:37:02pm

McCain kissed all the ladies.
Michelle wouldn't let Barry do that.

26 legalpad  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:37:12pm

What's the deal with Kristol? He's so negative now.

27 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:37:28pm

Is Joe Plumber related to Joe Sixpack? Same guy?

28 Shug  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:37:29pm

We haven't heard so much about a guy Laying pipe since Clinton was in office

29 HelloDare  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:37:41pm

These talking heads are useless. They are now going to tell me what I just saw. I can understand somebody interpreting for the deaf. But it's like we don't have a brain.

30 looking closely  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:37:43pm

McCain fumbled the ball a bit on Ayers, but he hit 0-bama pretty hard on education, taxes, spending, energy.

Obama stumbed, swung and missed.

The format really helped here. . .

31 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:37:47pm

Cnn is sh*tt*ng on the debate now.

32 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:37:54pm

I hate pundits!

33 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:37:58pm

re: #23 rw in san diego

You're just saying that because of the people you often hang out with!

If this is about his autistic vote comment. . .fut

34 zombie  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:38:00pm

Damn, I am sick! I never actually watch the MSM, and I'm watching it now for the first time in a long time.

Insane bias!

My mouth is hanging open!

They delcare McCain the loser already!

35 rusty_armor  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:38:00pm

This was an all time yawner ... McCaine fought him to a draw ... and lost ...

36 rw in san diego  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:38:01pm

The Fox team watched another debate, again.

37 CapeCoddah  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:38:07pm

MSM already calling for McCain, even on Fox

38 mjbrutus  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:38:08pm

Thank you Johnnie Mac!

Not only did you shine tonight, but you forced the MSM to take a genuine look at O'bambam's ties to Ayers and especially ACORN. With ACORN in the headlines every single day lately, that is gonna leave a mark.

39 doppelganglander  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:38:08pm

Mac did better than the last two debates, but he could have hit a lot harder. He's got nothing to lose now. He should go for the jugular.

40 witness  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:38:09pm

re: #31 David IV of Georgia

Begala is an asshole

41 jcm  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:38:10pm

Going to the "undecided" voters for opinion.

How the *&%$ can anyone be undecided?
The bloody contrast between the two is Red, White and Blue, and just Red.

42 Palandine  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:38:15pm

The Fox crew watched a different debate, as usual.

43 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:38:23pm

Given McCain's style, I think he did the best he could have done tonight and he landed almost all the punches in the available arsenal, I don't see how he could have done any better.

/there's still more work to do before the election, but then we all knew there would be

44 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:38:29pm

Nina Easton didn't watch the debate I did... Zero smoothly "lobbing them back"

WTF?

45 jaunte  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:38:41pm

refresh

46 steveoh  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:38:48pm

McCain won. But no knock out punch. Especially leaving Wright out of the conversation. I only hope the pollsters are as wrong as they were 4 years ago.

47 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:39:00pm

Couldn't get one comment in the whole night.

... after my first couple comments.

48 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:39:01pm

Is there a Hussein Plumber somewhere out there?

49 mattmoss  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:39:01pm

re: #27 Mich-again

Is Joe Plumber related to Joe Sixpack? Same guy?

No, but they're neighbors; Sixpack always borrows Plumber's torque wrench but never returns it.

50 DistantThunder  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:39:02pm

I couldn't bear to watch. Instead I prayed my heart out. Tomorrow I head over to PA to held with the campaign.

51 AriZoney  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:39:23pm

I counted the number of times each candidate went "Um" "Uh" or "Eeah"

McCain: 29

Obama: 251

52 redmirabai  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:39:29pm

re: #20 Outrider

I have under 300, and I think McCain whipped Barry's butt!

Go Johnny, go!

53 RememberSekhmet?  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:39:38pm

Keep one thing in mind, Fox commenters:


Obama may have had an answer, but the answer was BS and now it's on the record as BS

54 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:39:56pm

Oh boy... Frank Luntz...

55 zombie  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:40:00pm

re: #21 DisturbedEma

Zombie

MY 8 YEAR OLD HAS AUTISM. . .SHUT THE FUCK UP! You have NO idea what it is like and FUCKING knock it off!

I am not being sarcastic! I am serious! The autism vote is important! It is a new significant issue in America and a lot of people (like you and me) care about it!

Sorry if you thought I was being facetitious!

The people who care about Autism are an overlooked voting block. We're on the same side.

56 LSD  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:40:00pm

re: #35 rusty_armor

Go back to Kos-Land, Rusty ... sleeep.

57 jim_beam  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:40:01pm

Wow CNN is calling this as a tie.

McCain must have beat up on Obama

58 RememberSekhmet?  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:40:06pm

Pinker-infiltrated focus group

59 bcgirl  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:40:17pm

thank you for showing up Mr. President John Mc Cain

60 Joo-LiZ  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:40:27pm

re: #20 Outrider

Cue for all the posters with under 300 comments to start slamming McCain. On 3...2...1...Go

McCain was horrible! Obama Won!
//


Just kidding... I didn't actually watch this one, but after reading some of these comments, I kind of wish I had.

Was McCain really better this time around than the last two?

61 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:40:28pm

frickin focus group.

62 doppelganglander  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:40:35pm

Why does Fox keep bringing in Luntz and his Carnival of Morons? They are clearly Obama plants. I hate Fox just as much as the other networks these days.

63 JacksonTn  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:40:36pm

Loved the first guy on Luntz ... Obama sounded good ... but I don't trust him ...he said that ... I love it

64 Catttt  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:40:49pm

On Barry: "He won the debate, but I still don't trust him."

Interesting.

65 legalpad  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:40:53pm

I'm watching FOX and I think they are all underestimating McCain.

The so-called voters think Obama won? What morons.

66 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:40:56pm

Anyone watching Fox? Obama won? Obama was specific? When? Where?

67 Palandine  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:40:57pm

re: #21 DisturbedEma

Zombie

MY 8 YEAR OLD HAS AUTISM. . .SHUT THE FUCK UP! You have NO idea what it is like and FUCKING knock it off!

Whoa, I don't know the Undead One, but I'm pretty sure you're misreading its intentions. God bless you and your family.

/Luntz and his democrats on now. Feh.

68 Siberian Khatru  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:40:58pm

Aaaand, of course, Frank Luntz' "undecided" focus group on FOX goes almost entirely for The One, again... Where the hell does he find these idiots?

69 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:40:59pm

I've turned the TV off now. No need to see the pundits try to bullshit me into thinking 0bama won when he clearly had his ass handed to him.

My guess is the vast majority of Americans likewise have no need to be told by msm assholes what it is they just saw.

70 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:41:02pm

re: #21 DisturbedEma

Zombie

MY 8 YEAR OLD HAS AUTISM. . .SHUT THE FUCK UP! You have NO idea what it is like and FUCKING knock it off!

Uhm, HELLO! My two nephews are autistic, and I'm glad Zombie said what he/she said! It's time autism and all special needs children get someone in the White House who cares for them and will be their advocate.

And who the hell are you to tell Zombie to shut the fuck up?

Troll.

71 nyc redneck  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:41:06pm

mccain spoke to the american public.
he was strong and focused.
now he has time to really win this thing.

72 witness  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:41:06pm

These people being interviewed on Fox are morons

73 Devolving One  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:41:07pm

Wow. McCain showed up!

And so did Wayne Brady...oh, wait...that's Michelle Obama.

74 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:41:07pm

Wow. 570 logged on. I haven't been reading comments tonight, choosing instead to iron some clothes and watch on FOX. Without your input, I felt McCain did very well tonight, and I think that will transfer to many of my MOR cohorts.

Oh, crap. Here's Frank Luntz again.

75 guzziguy  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:41:09pm

Crap. Even fox pretty much says Hoover won.

76 hazzyday  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:41:09pm

re: #21 DisturbedEma

Zombie

MY 8 YEAR OLD HAS AUTISM. . .SHUT THE FUCK UP! You have NO idea what it is like and FUCKING knock it off!

I am not understaning your point here? I know what autism is like. Make a point instead of flying off the handle.

77 jorline  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:41:10pm

Obama...If you vote for me I'll fleece you for everything you have...that's a promise.

78 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:41:10pm

LMAO @ the guy on FNC.

"I'm not voting for best debator, I'm voting for President."

...WHAT?!

79 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:41:16pm

re: #46 steveoh

McCain won. But no knock out punch. Especially leaving Wright out of the conversation. I only hope the pollsters are as wrong as they were 4 years ago.

I remember the surprise of 1980. I hope to see that surprise once again.

80 rosh  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:41:18pm

re: #18 zombie

It's already starting.


Fox is part of it, aren't they?

81 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:41:20pm

The one time that I think Obama told a bald face lie was when he attempted to deny his vote on the infanticide bill. He said it was not true. These things are a matter of public record, and are not subject to spin.

82 RememberSekhmet?  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:41:28pm

Yup, "If you wanted to run against George Bush, you should have run 4 years ago."

83 looking closely  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:41:35pm

And this was SUPPOSED to be Obama's strength, and he fell on his face.

Unfortunately, viewership tonight was probably lower than the first two.

Too bad.

84 zombie  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:41:35pm

40% of the people in the polling room raised their hands, and the leader said, "A clear majority." WTF?

85 jaunte  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:41:38pm

Luntz is crazy if he believes his group is truly undecided.

86 beholden  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:41:40pm

re: #20 Outrider

Why you hating on the peeps who lurk? I thought McCain tore it up. He was fighting hard tonight. Loved it.

87 Syrah  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:41:41pm

re: #6 Killgore Trout

I wonder if Joe is hugging his wife too.

Joe the Plumber & his Wife.

Be of good cheer Killgore, we live in momentous times.

It is good to be alive.

Those that come after us will envy us this time that we have.

88 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:41:49pm

re: #10 Fat Jolly Penguin

And whine and scream about McCain running a negative campaign.

To borrow from Winston Churchill: "Let them whine, let them scream, we shall come through."

89 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:41:58pm

WTF debate were the Foxpundits watching?

90 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:42:22pm

Just because.

91 hazzyday  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:42:24pm

re: #35 rusty_armor

This was an all time yawner ... McCaine fought him to a draw ... and lost ...

Good attitude you carry about with yourself.

92 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:42:36pm

re: #11 reine.de.tout

refreshing for comments

Is that all you can post?

93 zombie  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:42:44pm

re: #80 rosh

Fox is part of it, aren't they?

Yup.

94 witness  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:42:59pm

re: #85 jaunte

As Howard Beal said: "Turn your TV off. Turn it off! Turn it off!"

95 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:43:00pm

re: #49 mattmoss

No, but they're neighbors; Sixpack always borrows Plumber's torque wrench but never returns it.

When all your tools are Channelocks all your problems look like nuts.

96 savarulz  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:43:01pm

If I ever lied as much as Obama did tonight my mama would've washed my mouth out with soap.

97 nigella  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:43:05pm

Wow, I no that I'm a Republican and a McCain supporter but I thought McCain won this one. Really bummed that even Fox thinks Obama won. This is really weird!

98 RememberSekhmet?  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:43:07pm

Shit, are y'al watching the focus group? They say Obamajebus won the debate, but they still won't vote for him, except for Miss Code Pink in front.

99 rw in san diego  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:43:12pm

Luntz's losers...time to turn off Fox.

100 legalpad  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:43:13pm

re: #66 ArmyWife

Anyone watching Fox? Obama won? Obama was specific? When? Where?

Yeah, exactly. One of them thinks "He made a good point" about connect John with George. But he made NO point, he simply asserted it. McCain refuted it with his record.

101 jcm  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:43:15pm

Frakkin' undecideds, Palin unqualified.

And Barack is?

Moron's voting us into oblivion.

102 bcgirl  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:43:17pm

fucking ABC just blatently lied lied lied about AYERS and the launch of obamas career---ok but they did also just admit the 800k to acorn from obama,,,

103 greensbuickfarm  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:43:19pm

did you just see the 'who won the debate' comment on FOX? raise your hand if you think Obama won...some raised hand. Commentator:

"Clearly Obama WON the debate"

WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT

PLEASE someone get a screencap of that. It appeared to me less than half raised their hands. Most of the comments from the people are PRO McCain...

104 PAgirlinNC  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:43:20pm

I really believe that the McCain camp has got to come out with an ad that shows all of Obama's horrible associations - from childhood to now
(Davis, Ayers, Wright, Pflegler, Odinga, etc). There is so much information there that the average person does not know that I think it would really make a difference.

105 bhjets  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:43:25pm

God these Luntz people are idiots

106 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:43:31pm

re: #14 Sharmuta

Most famous political plumber since Watergate.

I wonder if his mom was Josephine the plumber?

107 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:43:34pm

Don't watch the pundits, folks. It will only piss you off.

108 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:43:36pm

I am glad I watched, through my fingers at times, but I had my 10 year old with me, who is an INTENSE McCain fan. . .

He listened to Obama talk about his tax plan, when Obama said he was going to tax people to help people. Bibi looked at me and said- are people really falling for that? How is taking your money and giving it to others helping anyone but him?

I think I may be raising an Independent:)

Autism jokes nothwithstanding, thank you lizards for helping me through this- in my heart I know leaving the Democratic party was the rifht thing to do, unlike Obama, I will be facing the music for my "associations" tomorrow with my union steward, to assess my standing on the "important issues"

Did I mention I am a teacher?

109 missviolin  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:43:51pm

re: #65 legalpad

Spin it around - then again the other way, You won't know what hit you. Now BHO is the winner. Now he's not. Next?

110 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:43:58pm

Luntz...joke. He's been pwned.

111 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:44:06pm

Abc radio says Obama was a cool while McCain came across as angry. And of course, nothing nice to say about McCain at all. Oh, they also said fact checker says he didn't start his political career in Ayers living room. Now I am hearing it was at a hotel or a rabbi's house. Where the hell did they come up with that?

112 SeafoodGumbo  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:44:15pm

re: #68 Siberian Khatru

Aaaand, of course, Frank Luntz' "undecided" focus group on FOX goes almost entirely for The One, again... Where the hell does he find these idiots?

Listening to these morons is scary. They really don't know barely anything. Their answers never mention specifics.

I'm reminded of the Howard Stern interviews in Harlem from the other day.

113 DistantThunder  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:44:16pm

Just a few minutes ago all the green pluses disappeared from the articles that charles posts, (ie. the Wrap up) where you can rate the article underneath the title - now they are all back - I don't know what that was about. I could see the red minus signs, but the plus box was an empty black square - Just FYI. Never seen that happen before.

And it was consistent for all the articles on this page.

114 bhjets  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:44:28pm

Wow..what a suprise. Luntz-losers went of Obama

115 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:44:31pm

re: #55 zombie

I am not being sarcastic! I am serious! The autism vote is important! It is a new significant issue in America and a lot of people (like you and me) care about it!

Sorry if you thought I was being facetitious!

The people who care about Autism are an overlooked voting block. We're on the same side.

Sorry, read the Denis Leary comments today. . .off the rails. . .sorry, I am SO protective :(

116 yochanan  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:44:34pm

John did a great job

117 MJBrutus  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:44:42pm

The Luntz group:

Undecided my big, fat, white ass. I see a bunch of liars who wanted to be on the boob toob.

118 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:44:44pm

re: #98 RememberSekhmet?

Shit, are y'al watching the focus group? They say Obamajebus won the debate, but they still won't vote for him, except for Miss Code Pink in front.

Really? So they think he won but are not moved to vote for him. That's awesome.

The not voting for him part, I mean.

119 zombie  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:44:49pm

Complete insanity. Took about 90 seconds for Obama to be declared the winner by the MSM. My essay from earlier today vastly understated the case!

120 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:45:06pm

re: #98 RememberSekhmet?

Shit, are y'al watching the focus group? They say Obamajebus won the debate, but they still won't vote for him, except for Miss Code Pink in front.

If McCain wins via the Bradley Effect, I can live with that.

121 HelloDare  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:45:15pm

Obama is winding down from the debate. He's telling smaller and smaller lies. In an hour he'll be down to his standard fibs.

122 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:45:21pm

This will not survive a BHO administration.

123 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:45:22pm

Undecideds my ass...

124 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:45:27pm

Blasted spinny ball from hell! (said in my best Stewey Griffin voice)

125 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:45:34pm

McCain put the "Ayers and his living room" and the "What did you know about ACORN, and when did you know it?" memes out there.

That may hurt Obama as people start asking "what the f***is going on?"

I monitor certain political websites' tracking facilities, and it appears web searches on ACORN and voter fraud (as seen in the search engine referrer queries) have been through the roof the past few days.

126 rusty_armor  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:45:34pm

re: #56 LSD

Go back to Kos-Land, Rusty ... sleeep.

You got it wrong. While not particularly fond of McCain, I have to throw my vote to him over Obama. But McCain needed to knock this one out of the arena, and didn't.

Get used to saying President Obama.

127 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:45:37pm

re: #36 rw in san diego

The Fox team watched another debate, again.

First troll crawls out of his/her/it's hole and speaks. Now go back in, loser.

128 Palandine  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:45:56pm

re: #80 rosh

Fox is part of it, aren't they?

Zombie's essay seems prescient. We all know which line is the same length as the examplar, yet everyone in power is telling us we're wrong.

It's Winston Smith's torture from 1984--having to admit that 2+2=5.

Nevertheless, McCain won, and most people will see it.

McCain wins 11/4.

129 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:46:07pm

0bama can "win" all the debates but if it doesn't convince people to vote for him, then it's not a win. In fact- it's pointless.

130 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:46:13pm

Still watching that Luntz panel. I'm sorry but at least one guy wasn't "undecided" before he went into that panel He was too vociferously defending Obama to have just arrived at his conclusion tonight.

Luntz might have some cool toy, but he doesn't have the skills to weed out the sleepers.

131 baxtrice  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:46:13pm

Mac did good, but we all know what the media and focus groups will say.

Sigh

132 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:46:17pm

Who's this ditz on Fox? We didn't partially nationalize any banks today.

/at best that term is an oxymoron

133 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:46:22pm

Well, I'm switching off the pundits and going to the lovely court tv type shows...any Dr. G on?

134 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:46:41pm

Are the hamsters still breathing?

135 rosh  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:46:44pm

What is with Fox in this election? I can't stand to watch them anymore. Do they have new owners or something?

136 The Shadow Do  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:47:02pm

Frank's so called undecided voters are Dems who will not admit it. Simple as that. If you are undecided you are at best ignorant, at worst a moron. where do you go to find a moron focus group I wonder.

137 jorline  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:47:03pm

IMHO...FOX just folded tonight on all angles.

138 Catttt  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:47:16pm

McCain won votes tonight.
Barry didn't (except for Luntz's "undecided" four voters) - he was preaching to the choir and landed zero punches.

139 doppelganglander  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:47:20pm

re: #111 Walter L. Newton

Abc radio says Obama was a cool while McCain came across as angry. And of course, nothing nice to say about McCain at all. Oh, they also said fact checker says he didn't start his political career in Ayers living room. Now I am hearing it was at a hotel or a rabbi's house. Where the hell did they come up with that?

Number one, that's bullshit -- Obama's state senate campaign was kicked of in the Ayers-Dohrn household. Ask Alice Palmer. Number two, Bambi was clearly sweating and flustered, when he wasn't smirking making faces. McCain hit some nerves, though not nearly enough.

140 JacksonTn  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:47:22pm

Glad the debates are out of the way ... now for the 527s and bring on RICO ...

141 skree  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:47:24pm

I must have watched a different debate than the rest of the ass clowns. Time for some prime time TV!

142 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:47:27pm

Luntz and his room full of trolls.

143 Salem  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:47:28pm

re: #107 Sharmuta

Don't watch the pundits, folks. It will only piss you off.

And they're irrelevant. They're complete dweebs in the eyes of most viewers.

144 legalpad  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:47:29pm

I must repeat, Obama is a nothing from nowhere and has done nothing. Why these "undecideds" think he is worth voting for is bizarre. It makes no sense.

I do wish John had said a little more about the economy being primarily affected by "bad loans" and NOT the vague "Bush policies". Which policy affected the economy?

145 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:47:32pm

re: #119 zombie

Complete insanity. Took about 90 seconds for Obama to be declared the winner by the MSM. My essay from earlier today vastly understated the case!

Time to declare Obama the winner is inversely proportional to MSM panic. Shorter time, more panic.

146 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:47:40pm

I wonder how many different TV stations in Missouri were shut down during the debate after McCain said those unhelpful things about Obama.

147 JSK1121  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:47:44pm

re: #136 The Shadow Do

Frank's so called undecided voters are Dems who will not admit it. Simple as that. If you are undecided you are at best ignorant, at worst a moron. where do you go to find a moron focus group I wonder.

Apparently there's a bunch of them in Miami.

148 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:47:45pm

re: #135 rosh

This has the makings of a Steven King novel, doesn't it?

149 Quintus_Arius  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:47:48pm

Face it. The Republicans nominated the wrong man. I'll have to keep BHO's feet to the fire for 4 more years. Crap, I was looking for a little time off. Oh well...

150 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:47:51pm

re: #108 DisturbedEma

There were no autism jokes. You misunderstood. I'm hoping McCain/Palin win this thing because if they do, special needs families will finally have an advocate in the White House.

/posted by an auntie of two autistic nephews

151 SpartanWoman  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:48:04pm

re: #128 Palandine

Zombie's essay seems prescient. We all know which line is the same length as the examplar, yet everyone in power is telling us we're wrong.

It's Winston Smith's torture from 1984--having to admit that 2+2=5.

Nevertheless, McCain won, and most people will see it.

McCain wins 11/4.

But most people will lie and say Obama won so as not to look unsophisticated...then they'll vote McCain (hopefully)

152 maddogg  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:48:20pm

Shit, the focus group on Fox all said Zero won the debate, and they were undecided. Said he was very specific in his plan and talked to the middle class. What an unmitigated crock of horse shit.

153 CapeCoddah  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:48:20pm

re: #37 CapeCoddah

MSM already calling for McCain, even on Fox

Meant calling it for 0, but got tossed offline before I could correct it!

154 Outrider  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:48:23pm

Where in hell do they continually find these pudding headed "undecideds" each debate that constantly are amazed at Obamas performance and change their minds to go with Obama?

155 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:48:26pm

re: #123 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Undecideds my ass...

Never say that anywhere near a jail/prison.

156 bhjets  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:48:28pm

re: #137 jorline
Exactly

157 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:48:35pm

re: #137 jorline

IMHO...FOX just folded tonight on all angles.

What does that mean?

158 Alouette  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:48:46pm

I wanted to throw shoes at the TV when Barry repeated his obnoxious lies.

159 rw in san diego  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:48:47pm

re: #127 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

People are entitled to have opinions around here...even if they differ from yours.

160 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:48:48pm

re: #137 jorline

IMHO...FOX just folded tonight on all angles.

Waht do you mean? I was listening to a ABC radio feed. I don't turn on the TV much.

161 astronmr20  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:48:48pm

re: #98 RememberSekhmet?

Shit, are y'al watching the focus group? They say Obamajebus won the debate, but they still won't vote for him, except for Miss Code Pink in front.

What network

There are about 12 focus groups on the tv at the moment.

162 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:48:59pm

This election turns on Joe the Plumber.

163 Shug  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:49:14pm

I wish Brit Hume would have posed a question to Frank Luntz's "undecided voters"

" how in the Hell are you people still undecided after the last 20 month campaign. Are you stupid" ?

164 mattm  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:49:19pm

re: #9 JSK1121

Hell, I bet people will break shit just so he can fix it.

165 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:49:23pm

What translation of that debate and on what planet were these Frank Luntz Lagoon creatures watching from?

/and what was the gas mixture in that room?

166 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:49:28pm

re: #135 rosh

What is with Fox in this election? I can't stand to watch them anymore. Do they have new owners or something?

Maybe they're hedging their bets to try to survive an Obama administration,

167 Brigman  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:49:31pm

With no major gaffe's for BO, and no headline zingers for Mac, (for any of the debates) and with BO leading every major poll - This is a clean sweep for Obama I am sad to report.

It just might be possible that Obama used the far left to propel him to the top of the party so that he can run more moderate and actually be a more center democrat.

We can only hope. God bless this country and help us get through the what may be the inevitable...

168 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:49:32pm

Funny thing about outright communism. Its fertile breeding ground for the truest form of capitalism. The black market.

169 JacksonTn  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:49:43pm

wonder how many people were watching the ballgame ... bet this debate does not get the highest numbers ..

170 Catttt  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:49:48pm

re: #160 Walter L. Newton

Waht do you mean? I was listening to a ABC radio feed. I don't turn on the TV much.

The focus group was weird. Other than that, it is the usual fair and balanced thing, with people on both sides.

171 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:50:09pm

Gosh, I missed the debate -- had to carpool my son.

Zombie was right. S/he's given us mental tools with which to judge the debate and the aftermath.

172 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:50:12pm

Obambi's gotta great smile ... gee, I loved seeing it ...

/ree rah ras, whack 'em in the OTHER knee

173 rosh  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:50:17pm

re: #119 zombie

Complete insanity. Took about 90 seconds for Obama to be declared the winner by the MSM. My essay from earlier today vastly understated the case!


I found your essay heartening BTW.

174 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:50:36pm
175 Cognito  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:50:38pm

re: #5 bosforus

Glad to hear the "McCain wooped a**" news.

I dunno, man. I'm having a hard time reconciling what I'm seeing here with an opposite reaction everywhere else.

On Fox, for instance, their focus group almost unanimously felt that Obama had clobbered McCain. That's not good news. McCain didn't need to break even, tonight. He needed a knock-out.

176 Edouard  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:50:39pm

SENATOR GOVERNMENT!

177 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:50:42pm

re: #155 MandyManners

Never say that anywhere near a jail/prison.

Good advice... one reason to use powdered soap.

178 DistantThunder  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:50:59pm

Germany is having big sweeping arrests of people using the black market.

179 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:51:18pm

re: #155 MandyManners

Why, Mandy?

180 jorline  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:51:20pm

re: #157 erisldysnomia

What does that mean?

181 mattm  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:51:21pm

re: #145 erisldysnomia

Time to declare Obama the winner is inversely proportional to MSM panic. Shorter time, more panic.

Let's hope.

182 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:51:23pm

re: #167 Brigman

and no headline zingers for Mac

See my meme post at #125

183 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:51:23pm
184 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:51:37pm

re: #144 legalpad

I must repeat, Obama is a nothing from nowhere and has done nothing. Why these "undecideds" think he is worth voting for is bizarre. It makes no sense.

They could be about to learn from what is called the Bitter Coin of Experience.

I completely understand if young people want to vote for BHO. But, ultimately it is they that will pay off the debt long after I am in my grave. If they want servitude and subjugation, then, I say let them drink deeply from the bitter cup. As for me, I did what I could to save them from themselves.

185 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:51:42pm
186 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:51:45pm

re: #139 doppelganglander

Number one, that's bullshit -- Obama's state senate campaign was kicked of in the Ayers-Dohrn household. Ask Alice Palmer. Number two, Bambi was clearly sweating and flustered, when he wasn't smirking making faces. McCain hit some nerves, though not nearly enough.

I'm just telling you what the ABC guy said. I had NEVER even heard of any meetings at a hotel or a Rabbi's house. Has anyone else? He didn't say Obama was never at some function at Ayers house, but that he didn't start his political career at Ayers house. I think someone is splitting hairs. Where did the ABC guy pull that out of, his butt.

187 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:51:45pm

It's utterly useless to expect the media to proclaim that McCain won this debate, that will never happen.

But the most important two things that McCain needed to do tonight he did masterfully. He provide sharp contrast of nanny big goverment versus a spending-conscious, tax-cutting approach the solving our current problems of overspending combined with entitlement promises. And he successfuly revealed Obama as a far-left liberal whose judgement should be an important issue in this critical election.

The purpose was to plant the seed of doubt about Obama as a true leader for the most powerful country on the planet. Everything else was simply window dressing.

He succeeded very well. All the pundit chatter is just talking head white noise.

188 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:51:55pm

re: #152 maddogg

Shit, the focus group on Fox all said Zero won the debate, and they were undecided. Said he was very specific in his plan and talked to the middle class. What an unmitigated crock of horse shit.

Oh, gah.

Utter nightmare.

189 legalpad  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:52:05pm

re: #108 DisturbedEma

Bibi looked at me and said- are people really falling for that? How is taking your money and giving it to others helping anyone but him?

Exactly - so why are all these "undecideds" so thick?

By the way - you know the folks here will back you up all the way. Need any tactical ideas to deal with the Unions - let us know.

190 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:52:08pm

re: #162 Noam Sayin'

This election turns on Joe the Plumber.

I tend to agree. John put him in the seat and handed him the keys. Joe knows it too.

191 doppelganglander  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:52:13pm

re: #154 Outrider

Where in hell do they continually find these pudding headed "undecideds" each debate that constantly are amazed at Obamas performance and change their minds to go with Obama?

They're not undecided, they're Obama supporters who've been taught to lie. Also, like just about every moron in America these days, they want to be on TV.

Also, Krauthammer is being an elitist fuckwit again.

192 bhjets  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:52:17pm

Krauthammer say's Obama won! Christ, I'm losing my mind...

193 twincitiesgirl  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:52:18pm

I thought McCain started out a little weak but then took off and hit almost all of the issues that were important to voters. Toward the end it looked like Obama was almost shrinking in his chair when McCain hammered home his association with Ayers, Acorn and company.

He also did well making Obama look clueless in regards to trade with Columbia and the remark about Canada/NAFTA was a nice touch. I think McCain was fantastic, I only wish his final statement was a little stronger. I was out of the room for that so didn't hear if he asked people to vote for him.

t didn't hurt that craggy faced Bob Schieffer made McCain look young by comparison.

/spell check isn't working

194 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:52:26pm

re: #178 DistantThunder

Germany is having big sweeping arrests of people using the black market.

Are these people therefore racist?

195 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:52:36pm

re: #176 Edouard

SENATOR GOVERNMENT!

Wasn't that GREAT?!

196 swamprat  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:52:38pm

Hillary on NBC. Shilling for bho. Dems are ready to lead when they the presidency, the House and the Senate. Having just the House and Senate just wasn't enough because of Evil Geoge Bush.

197 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:52:49pm
198 Palandine  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:53:13pm

re: #155 MandyManners

Never say that anywhere near a jail/prison.

That reminds me. Deliverance is on CMT.

/Palandine turns off Faux News in disgust

199 amphibian  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:53:22pm

I missed it all. Had a chance to look at a TV, though, sound off. Husseinovich was blinking his eyes a lot and looking off to the side, and his head was tilting a little. I got the gut impression that this was good news (for our side). I hope I was right.

200 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:53:24pm

The only people watching the pundits are political junkies.

Most Americans are sick of this election, and if they watched the debate, they turned it off afterwards. They're not interested in watching talking heads talk about politics- they're sick of it.

201 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:53:38pm

re: #127 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

First troll crawls out of his/her/it's hole and speaks. Now go back in, loser.

SHIT! Sorry, rw, meant to click on rusty_amor's #35, not your #36...

202 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:53:39pm

re: #168 Mich-again

Funny thing about outright communism. Its fertile breeding ground for the truest form of capitalism. The black market.

Good idea. What do you need from Golden Colorado (Coors LOL) and what do you want to send me. We could have a good thing going here.

203 macintush  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:53:49pm

I finally got my Obama/Obiden bumpersticker from MoveAlong.Org yesterday. I can't think of any way to display it on the car, though, that won't get me arrested. I thought about just sticking it on one of the tires and taking a photo after a mile or so. Not sure it would last that long. It'd look pretty silly driving around in the culdesac until it gets broke-in just right...

Any Ideas?

204 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:54:17pm

re: #178 DistantThunder

Germany is having big sweeping arrests of people using the black market.

Oh, they are very progressive in Germany. If you are female, and are on unemployment, the Government will find you a job!

As a "sex worker".

And no, I am not making that up. That is for real.

These are the people that think like Obama.

205 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:54:28pm

re: #203 macintush

I finally got my Obama/Obiden bumpersticker from MoveAlong.Org yesterday. I can't think of any way to display it on the car, though, that won't get me arrested. I thought about just sticking it on one of the tires and taking a photo after a mile or so. Not sure it would last that long. It'd look pretty silly driving around in the culdesac until it gets broke-in just right...

Any Ideas?

Yes, mount it next to a printed copy of the "Obamatanic" art.

206 legalpad  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:54:29pm

Krauthammer and Wallace seem inordinately negative. Hmmm.
I think McCain butchered him.

207 VioletTiger  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:54:34pm

Aren't the Luntz group mostly faux undecideds?

208 Syrah  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:54:43pm

re: #87 Syrah

Joe the Plumber & his Wife.

Be of good cheer Killgore, we live in momentous times.

It is good to be alive.

Those that come after us will envy us this time that we have.

Bye the Bye Killgore,

Views: 1,053,675

Thank you for bringing that tune to my attention. I really enjoy it.

I see that it has captured the imagination and touched the desires of a lot of people.

209 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:54:51pm

DON'T LISTEN TO THE MEDIA WHORES !

210 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:55:01pm
211 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:55:08pm

re: #158 Alouette

I wanted to throw shoes at the TV when Barry repeated his obnoxious lies.

It's insane.

Let me respond.

Translation: stand back and take cover, because I'm going to let another whopper fly!

/if Lord President For Life Obama had a nose like Pinocchio, we could walk to Mars by now, he would never have even made it out of the primaries

212 jakes_stryker  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:55:42pm

C-Spans after debate "show" is better than the rest, just taking callers and people that were there.

McCain / Palin '08

213 doppelganglander  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:55:42pm

re: #186 Walter L. Newton

I'm just telling you what the ABC guy said. I had NEVER even heard of any meetings at a hotel or a Rabbi's house. Has anyone else? He didn't say Obama was never at some function at Ayers house, but that he didn't start his political career at Ayers house. I think someone is splitting hairs. Where did the ABC guy pull that out of, his butt.

I was responding to what you said about ABC, not you. I have followed this whole thing very closely and no one has ever mentioned any imaginary rabbi. So yes. the ABC guy pulled it out of his butt.

214 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:55:52pm

Zombie, if you're there

did he attack enough ?

I could not bear to watch...

215 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:56:09pm

Where's Dan Rather when you need an MSM person to provide an honest, proportional spaced opinion?

216 Nylecoj  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:56:21pm

re: #20 Outrider

Cue for all the posters with under 300 comments to start slamming McCain. On 3...2...1...Go

I was so pleased with McCain's performance tonight. I liked the If you wanted to run against Bush you should have done it 4 years ago line.
(PS 1st comment missed my cue ;) and so happy to be here. I thought I was imagining things when I didn't see closed next to register.)

217 legalpad  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:56:32pm

re: #192 bhjets

Yeah - I wonder about some of these guys. He's wrong about Obama being unruffled. "Discipline and self containment" - oh, like when he turned red? When he sneered? What's wrong with this guy?

218 America1  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:56:38pm

Krauthammer..."I hate to be a contrarian" to whom? Was that a pre-scripted statement? I'm not getting this. It's like Capricorn One.

219 Colonel Panik  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:56:43pm

re: #130 Noam Sayin'

Luntz might have some cool toy, but he doesn't have the skills to weed out the sleepers.

We need a Voight-Kampff device to weed out the Obamabots.

220 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:57:03pm
221 NOBAMADADA  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:57:09pm

Barrys smiling grin makes me want to puke.

222 rosh  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:57:43pm

re: #170 Cattt

The focus group was weird. Other than that, it is the usual fair and balanced thing, with people on both sides.


I didn't see fair and balanced from Fox at all. I saw unadulterated 0-worship. Not what I would have expected.re: #148 ArmyWife

This has the makings of a Steven King novel, doesn't it?


The one where everything gets swallowed up in a fog, and there's evil clowns in it, and only a few people can see what they really are.

223 doppelganglander  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:57:45pm

re: #203 macintush

I finally got my Obama/Obiden bumpersticker from MoveAlong.Org yesterday. I can't think of any way to display it on the car, though, that won't get me arrested. I thought about just sticking it on one of the tires and taking a photo after a mile or so. Not sure it would last that long. It'd look pretty silly driving around in the culdesac until it gets broke-in just right...

Any Ideas?

How about on a target with a few arrows through it, in your front yard?

224 ciaospirit  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:57:53pm

Charles Krauthammer just said Obama's basically gonna slide into the White House. Smooth is his gift. O showed confidence and could not be ruffled...all BHO had to do was reassure and he did. CK didn't say anything good about McCain. Sickening.

225 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:58:10pm

re: #219 Colonel Panik

We need a Voight-Kampff device to weed out the Obamabots.

Obots.

226 sojerofgod  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:58:49pm

I watched the Luntz segment, that bit about Obama winning by show of hands was bullshit. He asked who thought Obama won and I watched closely, it was probably 8 out of 30. he didn't even ask how many thought McCain won and immediately declared the One the winner! What horseshit that was. When he then interviewed some of that crowd of dunces most of them had trouble forming a complete sentence. I really think the so called independent undecideds are publicity seekers and dems who are run through the seminar to be able to fool Luntz, which is probably not too hard.

227 NOBAMADADA  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:59:33pm

Johnny boy did a great job tonight, however there was no knock out blow a couple of jabs but where was that KO blow?. Obama did an nice job of putting that ayers issue under the table real quick.

228 angrywhitedad  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:59:55pm

Fuck Sourcrotchhammer and that fat POS Luntz with his phony plants. I guess I'll just start abstaining from all news now. Even that goddamned lazy ass Brit pissed me off.

229 jorline  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 7:59:59pm

re: #157 erisldysnomia

What does that mean?

Sorry for the delay...my screen keeps freezing.

Simple answer to your question...watch FOX.

Most of the panel thought Obama won...the focus group thought Obama won ans then Krauthammer just came on and declared Obama the winner.

230 shanester  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:00:41pm

Johnnie won, by far (although he didn't go far enough).

However, as usual, the MSM (and even Fox -- I'm talking to YOU Krauthammer...) since Obama wasn't knocked out, he wins.

I am sure "Sugar" Shane and most boxers agree that McCain won, but somehow, the MSM will say Obama did.

Ho hum.

231 Defogger  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:01:39pm

Hi all. Thought I would never get on. The hamsters must be exhausted, with all the lurkers and all.

Hate to say it, but I believe, with Krauthammer, that 0 won the debate. McCain did well, overall, but Obama is such a good liar.

232 2centsworth  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:02:18pm

re: #20 Outrider

Cue for all the posters with under 300 comments to start slamming McCain. On 3...2...1...Go

I thought he did very well. I am going to have a fit listening to these fools on the tv, though. Did I watch the same thing? How can they say Obama won? It's just maddening.

233 shanester  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:02:43pm

Ain't Fair!

If Johnnie doesn't make a KO or a TKO, a decision for Johnnie doesn't cut it.

Sorry for the incessant boxing references, but they suit the debate the best.

234 krycek  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:02:53pm

re: #207 VioletTiger

Aren't the Luntz group mostly faux undecideds?

If you are undecided at this point, then you've got something wrong with you. The Luntz focus groups are seminar dullards.

235 Kincsem  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:03:27pm

The Dear Leader has a very creepy-crawly looking smirk. I am not looking forward to seeing that for the next 8 years.

I tried to convince myself that watching tonight would only make me crazy, and sure enough, the BO smirk was there, industrial-strength crazymaking.

Does anyone else think the Dear Leader looks at himself in the mirror and calls himself "Mr President"? After he says, "I feel pretty"?

236 legalpad  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:03:40pm

re: #210 taxfreekiller

Obama ='s msm and Fox News too, also.

Brett Hume is so lazy his eyes slump, his body slumps, this Krout is ugly and wishes he had a rich good looking wife.

Exactly. I think all these commentators and the polls they cite are full of it. They are doing this "Asch test" "normative conformity" or whatever trick. The emperors news clothes thing. I had that done on me in college in Experimental Psychology.

237 greensbuickfarm  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:04:19pm

OK, so which debate were he commentators watching? BHO was calm and collected? Sorry, but his 'tells' were all over the place. The smirk, the snarky laughs and the infamous 'Listen..'

Everytime I hear that, it reminds me of someone I once knew that always used that as a way to put you down when you were discussing something, implying that 'if you would only listen to me, you would understnad the truth'.

I have long thought that McCain was employing the rope a dope. Enough talking points tonight, coupled with Joe the Plumber that McCain ought to gain some serious ground.

I think everyone can relate to Joe (anyone know which Local he belongs to?)--employee, employer, student, CEO.

BTW, a friend of mine is a self-made BILLIONAIRE. His company employs thousands of people. He's worth more than Oprah. Wonder how big his company would be today if he'd been told that once you work hard, build your company, put people on the payroll--you'll be asked to spread the wealth around.

238 scratch  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:04:27pm

OK, if I hear something like this again I'm going to put my jackboot through the tv. It happens every debate:

Luntz asked one of his "undecided" voters what she thought: "Well, the economy is the most important thing, and Obama was the only one who addressed it directly."

WTF? Can anyone explain that to me?

239 mudhen  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:04:54pm

The debate might have come off differently if you listened on radio... that's what I did. I don't feel that McCain won, at least not with people who are just now paying attention. If you listened as an average person would (who doesn't know how Obama lied the whole time), then McCain's explanations of his policies were not as appealing as Obama's. The populist lies work, folks. Obama is a bitter pill, coated with sugar. America won't know what it swallowed until Obama is in office, and starts to resculpt the landscape into something that none of us will recognize.
When Hillary was running, I swore that I would quit my job and work endlessly to make sure that she wasn't elected. Who knew that her opponent would make her look like a centrist. Geesh.
Maybe on TV, where you could see the candidates reactions to each other, maybe there your optimism about McCain is justified. But without the visuals, and if you don't know all of the policy and background, Obama was more convincing, more compelling. If everyone paid as much attention to the details as we do, Obama would never have become the Democratic candidate. But they don't, and that's a fact. It is going to take something more, to push McCain over the finish line first. Let's hope that happens.

240 yesandno  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:04:55pm

That influx of Arab money has changed the tone at FOX. Had hoped it wouldn't happen, but money talks...

And I no longer care what they think...don't think any of them has a real idea what the people outside of DC actually feel about anything.


No wonder Brit Hume is retiring at the end of this year.

241 ThnkngOutLoud  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:04:55pm

The debates are ho-hum tired. Both recite their handlers rhetoric - Obama just promises a big slice of pie with everything on it - McCain won't let anyone ruffle his feathers and comes off as out of step - If Obama sails into the office on his own fumes it will be quite a feat for him to pull that pie in the sky out of his ass and serve it all up to the American public - serve all the college kids their freebies sucked off the blood sweat and tears of hard working Americans. I already cast my vote for McCain - I won't vote socialist.

242 NYCHardhat  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:05:09pm

"If the doors of perception were cleansed every thing would appear to man as it is, infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things through narrow chinks of his cavern."

-William Blake-

243 NY Nana  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:05:23pm

re: #89 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

IIRC, His Royal Highness Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Bin Abdulaziz Alsaud of sodding Saudi Arabia owns a 5% share of Fox since last year...Murdoch is a menace.

I think this is why Fox is no longer 'fair and balanced'. It is pathetic.

244 devil in baggy pants  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:05:40pm

This is great:
Joe the Plumber is My Homeboy

245 de La Valette  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:05:49pm

Did I understand that Fox is delaying the start of the World Series so Obama can run an infomercial?

If this is true, he will piss-off tens of thousands of baseball purists. All McCain has to do is show up at the game and take a seat early and make some comment about signing autographs while waiting for the game to start.

246 NOBAMADADA  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:06:15pm

re: #238 scratch

OK, if I hear something like this again I'm going to put my jackboot through the tv. It happens every debate:

Luntz asked one of his "undecided" voters what she thought: "Well, the economy is the most important thing, and Obama was the only one who addressed it directly."

WTF? Can anyone explain that to me?

I ask myself that question every day.

247 michaelhop  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:06:15pm

Obama was full of his usual sh*t again. McCain had the perfect opportunity to call BO's "95% get a tax cut" a load of crap, since 40% of workers don't pay any income taxes now.

John also didn't take the opportunity to hammer BO on his judgement and barely spoke about tying BO to Nancy "the Dark Sith Lord" Pelosi and Harry "ahole" Reid.

McCain did well, but missed so many opportunities to do much much better.

248 legalpad  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:06:35pm

re: #226 sojerofgod

he didn't even ask how many thought McCain won

I think you caught them. Dems are probably behind selecting the "undecideds".

I am not impressed with Fox tonight. I think something is going on here.

249 joekowalski247  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:06:45pm

Did I miss the part where McCain smacked that smile off Obama's face?

250 krycek  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:07:15pm

re: #238 scratch

OK, if I hear something like this again I'm going to put my jackboot through the tv. It happens every debate:

Luntz asked one of his "undecided" voters what she thought: "Well, the economy is the most important thing, and Obama was the only one who addressed it directly."

WTF? Can anyone explain that to me?

Yeah. To put it nicely, not everyone is voting booth material.

251 Aussie Infidel  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:07:15pm

There are two angles in debates. The issues and Mc Cain won. Then there is the perception, telegenic characteristics and general tenor. McCain looked like a rabbit caught in the headlights and Obama looked cool and composed. Perhaps a little too composed and self satisfied for some but he clearly won the 'look' part of the debate. Overall I'd have to give it to Obama from an objective standpoint. The camps are clearly delineated so this is purely about the swing voters and independents. Republicans are going to vote for McCain because Obama scares the shit out of them and rightly so. The Democrats are entranced with the phenomenon of Obama to the point that if he machine gunned a kindergarten full of babies they'd still vote for him.

So it comes down as always to the swinging middle. Unfortunately McCain didn't do anywhere near enough the claw back his current poll deficit. He is looking like a loser more and more and the Obamination is looking presidential... damnit!


I fear for the US economy with the possibility of an Obama administration and by association my nation's economy will move from deep recession to deep depression. This afternoon I purchased $150,000 in gold as a start, in my preparation for weathering the next decade of economic storms. Unfortunately i have $3 million invested in property that is too illiquid to easily convert into liquid and easily moveable assets. My share portfolio will be converted to cash and gold tomorrow. My kids mortgages will be stretched by the coming downturn and one only hopes that they keep their jobs.


All very sad really. Couldn't amongst 150 million conservative or centerist Americans could one not find a telegenic candidate who looked good on TV, had a solid handle on policy and exhibited those attitudes and morals that represent the core values of the conservative polity? Was that too much to ask really?


Now you guys condemn not only yourselves to financial, social and moral hazard but you drag the rest of us along as collateral damage!

252 scratch  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:07:16pm

re: #237 greensbuickfarm

...Wonder how big his company would be today if he'd been told that once you work hard, build your company, put people on the payroll--you'll be asked to spread the wealth around.

Actually, he does spread the wealth around...in exchange for productivity.

253 NYCHardhat  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:07:24pm

re: #126 rusty_armor

No effing way.

254 abu boo boo  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:07:51pm

I was one of the people who thought McCain was terrible in the previous debate.

I think he was much better this time. I'd say he won this one.

It's amazing, but the online polls just keep coming up with the same results, no matter how well or poor the two candidates perform.

255 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:08:05pm

re: #73 Devolving One

Wow. McCain showed up!

And so did Wayne Brady...oh, wait...that's Michelle Obama.

HEY! White people love Wayne Brady because he makes Bryant Gumbel look like Malcolm X.

256 legalpad  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:09:52pm

re: #239 mudhen

I think McCain can still create an understanding with the less informed populace by a simple drumbeat: Mostly Democrat support of bad loans caused this crisis. Which Republican policy caused it? None.

257 NOBAMADADA  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:10:28pm

Hilbo is on fox right now

258 sarabeara  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:11:56pm

Freak Out!

"Barack Obama riffs on his media image in an interview for the New York Times Magazine, which quotes him as suggesting FOX News has cost him a few points in the polls.

The interview with reporter Matt Bai, to be published Sunday, features the Democratic presidential candidate feeling lamenting a "media narrative" that has pigeon-holed him as a liberal stereotype.

"I am convinced that if there were no Fox News, I might be two or three points higher in the polls," Obama says in the article. "If I were watching Fox News, I wouldn't vote for me, right? Because the way I'm portrayed 24/7 is as a freak!"

He continues that he is being typecast as "the latte-sipping, New York Times-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effet, politically correct, arrogant liberal. Who wants somebody like that?"

Obama's reference to his poll numbers comes at a time when he has opened up a commanding lead over his rival, John McCain, in national polls, as well as in several battleground states. A recent New York Times poll puts Obama ahead by 14 percentage points.

In the New York Times Magazine article, Obama tries to explain a comment he made during his primary race against Hillary Clinton, during which he was quoted as saying to an audience in San Francisco that some working class voters "cling to guns or religion" in response to economic woes.

Obama calls that comment "my biggest boneheaded move," adding that his point was to say that "these voters have a right to be frustrated" and their concerns shouldn't be ignored."

259 steveoh  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:12:06pm

re: #104 PAgirlinNC

I really believe that the McCain camp has got to come out with an ad that shows all of Obama's horrible associations - from childhood to now
(Davis, Ayers, Wright, Pflegler, Odinga, etc). There is so much information there that the average person does not know that I think it would really make a difference.

Absolutely. The knock out punch he needs. If presented as more than just associations, but rather as allies as Thomas Sowell put so well today, McCain should define Obama on his core ideology. I'm tired of him just saying "he'll raise your taxes". Paint him for what he truly is. A marxist, socialist with a scary cast of characters who brought him to power.

Finally, I have met so many people the last few days who are asking me about Obama and Ayers. They had heard nothing in MSM until recent days. Clueless.

260 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:12:18pm

re: #218 America1

Krauthammer..."I hate to be a contrarian" to whom? Was that a pre-scripted statement? I'm not getting this. It's like Capricorn One.

It's reverse psychology, he's trying to scare the Republican base to death amid lull the Bonkey voters into overconfidence so they won't bother voting. It's worked before.

/or maybe his paralysis is finally getting the best of him

261 Opilio  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:12:31pm

re: #120 Dark_Falcon

If McCain wins via the Bradley Effect, I can live with that.

If McCain wins via the Greenhouse Effect, the Placebo Effect or the Butterfly Effect, I can live with it.

262 onlyNYneocon  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:12:37pm

I'd have to say McCain beat BHO tonight, and pretty handily. I am afraid it won't be enough. McCain, although appropriately aggressive, wasn't afforded in this debate format, the opportunity to deliver a knock out blow.

I liked mccain saying if BHO wanted to campaign against bush, he should have run four years ago. The most powerful points McCain made, IMHO, was when he referenced BHO's eloquence as a vehicle for untruthfulness.

263 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:14:16pm

re: #248 legalpad

I think you caught them. Dems are probably behind selecting the "undecideds".

I am not impressed with Fox tonight. I think something is going on here.

Yes, both "consultant" backed Obama

Juan even said "are we ready to give the presidency to someone we hardly know anything about" and then answered yes!

The mind boggles

264 looking closely  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:15:08pm

The Communist News Network is calling this one 71%-Obama 29% McCain.

Hah. . .

265 mudhen  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:15:32pm

RE:#256 legalpad

The problem is, that he isn't talking about that enough. And people want the economy fixed, they really don't care who did it. They should, but they don't. McCain should have pressed harder on so many things. The tax "cuts" for people who don't pay taxes, for instance. And McCain sounded flat when Obama claimed that there would be no penalty for small businesses who don't supply health care. Sounded like he didn't read the O policy well enough. Obama probably pulled that out of his butt just tonight, but he caught McCain flat. Don't you wish that McCain was as able to present his side, as many of our bloggers are?

266 looking closely  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:17:55pm

re: #237 greensbuickfarm


BTW, a friend of mine is a self-made BILLIONAIRE. His company employs thousands of people. He's worth more than Oprah. Wonder how big his company would be today if he'd been told that once you work hard, build your company, put people on the payroll--you'll be asked to spread the wealth around.


Yet for some reason, the Billionaires all seem to be liberals and democrats.
Go figure.

267 NYCHardhat  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:17:59pm

I'm sorry to drop this on any of you, but the majority of people aren't that stupid. John McCain is and will be the safest choice for anyone with half a brain. I can't wait to celebrate with a Makers Mark when John is sworn in. Perception is not reality.

268 Aussie Infidel  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:18:01pm

McCain was a pussy cat again this evening. He had several opportunities to hang obama out to dry and didn't1

McCain doesn't look 'hungry' enough to win this race. He looks as if he is just going through the motions really. Unless Obama really screws the coop in the next few weeks he's going all the way . AND ALL OF US WILL PAY AND PAY AND PAY! In so many ways.

On the brighter side perhaps the Republican party can do a little house cleaning now and throw the bums out that are mere time servers and professional politicians looking to their own career prospects rather than looking out for the folks!

269 twincitiesgirl  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:18:31pm

re: #243 NY Nana

They did the same thing with the rioting in Paris a few years ago caused by Muslim gangs. They were told to use the term troubled youth. I was never a FOX or CNN fan.

270 angrywhitedad  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:18:39pm

Bt the way the Dark Krystol must now be on team 0's payroll. Elitist prick.

271 calcajun  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:19:29pm

re: #257 NOBAMADADA

Hilbo is on fox right now

That explains the flying monkeys over Long Island.

272 Adina in Judea  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:20:01pm

Joe the Plumber is the key to what Obama is all about.

Obama wants this guy to work 10-12 hours per day to succeed so that Obama can give his money to people who don't work hard in the slightest.

Marxists/Socialists like Obama believe that most things stay exactly the same when changing to a socialist system. Obama thinks that people like Joe would keep working 10-12 hours to donate the fruits of his labor to others.

Obama thinks that all the people who have the incentives to work hard now wouldn't lose them if their money was given to people who aren't working hard.

What Obama's socialism would say to Americans is this:

1. People who aren't successful now shouldn't bother trying to work hard because they're going to get other people's money anyway. (Thus, those who don't succeed will be rewarded for it.)

2. People who are successful and work hard shouldn't bother because their money is going to be given to other people. (Thus, those who DO succeed will be punished for it.)

Some people talk about a system where doctors trade their services for food from farmers and everyone is happy. Who in their right mind would spend 10 years in college, medical school, and internship (not to mention several additional years as residents) in exchange for some fruit or potatoes?

Competition works. Striving for a better life works.

Social engineering and redistributing wealth DO NOT WORK.

This is one of the messages that has to hit Obambi between the eyes in the next three weeks.

273 NYCHardhat  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:20:43pm

re: #272 Adina in Judea

This is true.

274 legalpad  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:24:36pm

re: #265 mudhen

McCain should get Romney and Juliani to go out and talk in the swing states.

Off to the next emerging thread!

275 NY Nana  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:25:18pm

Drudge has a poll on his site, and so does AOL.

/Vote early and vote often.

276 Aussie Infidel  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:25:40pm

re: #272 Adina in Judea

You guys have now got around 20 weeks to get your shit together and strike against iran. The Russian S-300 will be operational in around that time and your window to strike will close forever. If Kadema prevaricates or I'd be digging a fallout shelter right now and making sure i have my gas mask in good working order if i were you mate!

277 twincitiesgirl  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:27:08pm

re: #269 twincitiesgirl

As an example of 'discriminatory policy', Mr Azad has talked of access to employment. The French government is fully aware that in some areas of the country or that in some segments of the population, people face more difficulties in finding a job. For instance, young people (below the age of 25), seniors (above 55), or immigrants living in suburbs have a higher rate of unemployment than other French people. In 2005, youth of some suburbs expressed violently their anger: it was not, as Mr Azad seems to say, a 'Muslim riot'; it had nothing to do with religion and all to do with living conditions and welfare.

Life in France

/bbl

278 kansas  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:27:28pm

re: #4 zombie

I declare that McCain was the winner in REALITY.

But the MSM will declare Obama the winner in their fantasyland.

They did that BEFORE the debate. Didn't they?

279 charlesincharge  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:27:28pm

The MSM set it up that John Mc needed a "KNOCKOUT". If that's true... it didn't happen. But as usual the MSM LIED!

America is not ready for a major LIB in the White House. All these polls with 35% Repubs and 46% Dems sampled are major league B.S.

On election day it will be more like 43% Repubs 45% Dems and the remaining 12% "Independents" ( you know, mostly people who don't pay attention until November 1st) will not vote for the most liberal man in the U.S. Senate.

280 Pepper  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:28:59pm

re: #62 doppelganglander

Fox commentators are not predisposed to McCain. His loyalty conservatives a demonstrated by his bipartisan approaches while seemingly pragmatic are perceived as fouls in a polarized Congress. Their reaction is not surprising, but the independents should be polling higher for him.

We shall see the MSM closing the numbers gap to avoid a total loss of credibility. FOX appears to be discounted in this issue by none other than Obama himself who gave them the verbal finger in a debate.

Voters, the ones who show up will decide, not the polls.

The psych out factor is now in effect.

281 Wendya  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:29:14pm

Just looking at Obama's facial expressions and the way he was squirming... he didn't look very "Presidential" ... for the people who care about that.

282 CrackrJak  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:29:28pm

McCain finally hit Obama hard.
Obama was stammering and on defense all night.
Joe The Plumber may have won this election for McCain.

283 FloridaAnole  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:30:57pm

Why?Why is everyone in the media hell bent on thrusting Comrade superior shiteating grin Obama on us? Is it a reverse racism thing? Snobbish worship of a Harvard degree? Every time I turned the sound up, O was rattling his way through his usual doubletalk.

284 Aussie Infidel  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:31:00pm

Joe the plumber as a write in?

285 kansas  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:31:41pm

re: #21 DisturbedEma

Where the fuck did that come from?

286 kansas  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:32:58pm

re: #21 DisturbedEma

Zombie

MY 8 YEAR OLD HAS AUTISM. . .SHUT THE FUCK UP! You have NO idea what it is like and FUCKING knock it off!

My, you are disturbed. Did you just make this up, dipshit?

287 Optimizer  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:33:28pm

Anybody else notice the "Obama eloquence" of distaining Ayers' "despicable acts" - thereby NOT repudiating Ayers' ideology?

288 committed  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:34:19pm

How can telling lies win a debate for a candidate? The facts don't support what Obama was telling us tonight.

289 Aussie Infidel  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:34:20pm

re: #283 FloridaAnole

Why?Why is everyone in the media hell bent on thrusting Comrade superior shiteating grin Obama on us? Is it a reverse racism thing? Snobbish worship of a Harvard degree? Every time I turned the sound up, O was rattling his way through his usual doubletalk.

I know. BUT a large proportion your fellow countrymen and women live in the 'MTV / Hollywood world of feel good BS', are poorly educated in a broken educational system and have lost their moral compass. What other result would a rational observer expect?

290 Biff  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:35:41pm

re: #274 legalpadMcCain should have named Romney and Guiliani to his cabinet a month ago, and set them loose. I get the feeling, though, that he has already promised Democrats those jobs.

291 Aussie Infidel  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:36:04pm

re: #288 committed

How can telling lies win a debate for a candidate? The facts don't support what Obama was telling us tonight.

We both know that mate.


BUT the facts are that plainly many many and probably a majority of US citizens don't care!

292 kansas  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:36:38pm

Anybody hear that twit when Obama was working the crowd crying that she had to pay for her own education? Shit, I paid for two fucking degrees. What a dipshit I am. But what the fuck. What is Obama gonna do for me? Oh yeah, tax my ass to pay for her college. Shit.

293 Big Sam  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:36:50pm

Watched some analysis on MSNBC (wanted to see what the most psychotic could pull out of their butts for Obama).

Just saw Rachel Maddow for the first time. The ugliest dude I've ever seen. Appears to have been an OLinemen in college then underwent gender reassignment. Too bad "she" forgot that "she" needs to take "her" estrogen...

294 Becca_T  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:37:58pm
It's reverse psychology, he's trying to scare the Republican base to death amid lull the Bonkey voters into overconfidence so they won't bother voting. It's worked before.

Pfff... and here I thought he was just being an elitist jerk.

295 Wendya  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:38:29pm

re: #254 abu boo boo

It's amazing, but the online polls just keep coming up with the same results, no matter how well or poor the two candidates perform.

The leftist sites mobilize their members to immediately vote in every single online poll.

They seem to believe loading a non scientific poll actually means their candidate won.

296 Biff  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:40:00pm

McCain had Obama looking like a little boy for a few minutes, then he either got a little tired or just let up on his fellow Senator. It's very discouraging. John did a pretty good job, by far his best effort, but he should have just kept slamming him. Too much honor, not enough chutzpah.

297 kansas  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:40:12pm

re: #35 rusty_armor

This was an all time yawner ... McCaine fought him to a draw ... and lost ...

If it was a draw, then McCain didn't lose Moby Dickhead.

298 Optimizer  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:40:25pm

re: #81 rawmuse

The one time that I think Obama told a bald face lie was when he attempted to deny his vote on the infanticide bill. He said it was not true. These things are a matter of public record, and are not subject to spin.

The "one time"? What about denying that his political career started at Ayers' house? It seemed like there were quite a number that were just outright lies tonight, not just "spin", or "Obama eloquence".

299 rumcrook  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:40:38pm

the problem is, as I see it, obama comes off as a plausible president to most reasonable people who dont follow it all to closely, and they mostly want to beleive the best of people so they cant beleive that obama really surrounded himself thru most of his career with people who actively hate america. so on that score he now has been elevated to presidential.

that equals a win. I really wish mcain had said its your bad judgment in picking associates. heres the list of bad actors. and you werent 8 years old when you hung with all of them.

300 committed  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:42:46pm

Geraldine needs to go visit MSN where her opinion that the public's opinion doesn't matter is more welcome.

301 avspatti  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:43:23pm

It is just mind-boggling how the media is in the tank for Obama even to saying he won tonight's debate. We all know that about them, but my question is basic. How can we ever defeat them? How can we ever win when they control the MSM? I know about blogs and other alternative media, but the truth is that millions of people in this country get their news from the MSM. It is criminal the way they have given up even trying to appear neutral. Without a honest media, our country is in real danger. I fear for our future if this continues.

302 rumcrook  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:43:25pm

history, truth, and facts are now whatever liberals want them to be.

303 sharp_discernment  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:45:12pm

re: #246 NOBAMADADA

I ask myself that question every day.

I ask myself the same thing. No let me correct that: I wring my hands and pull my hair out wondering the same things! I have made some peace with it by realizing that with some people, no matter HOW much truth you give them, they just refuse to hear it. There have been example after example of Obama's corruption and unsavory connections and yet some people...refuse to hear it. You can't pound the truth into someone's head if they are not willing to hear it or see it. If the majority of Americans vote in Obama then they will get what they deserve.

304 kansas  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:45:12pm

re: #84 zombie

40% of the people in the polling room raised their hands, and the leader said, "A clear majority." WTF?

A clear majority of those raising their hands. Cmon, I know you are smarter than me. I read your Mister Ed the math horse article. : )

305 WayDownSouthInBama  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:46:19pm

My .02. I really don't care about the dog & pony show,just show me their voting record on the issues. To me,the issues are all that matter and 20 debates will not change anything along that line (other than someone may lie about their record). 99% of the time,I will not watch a debate. Palin & Biden was an exception. I do find the transcript and read what they had to say just to look and compare that transcript with their record.

I'm just not into image. T.V. is the worst form of media outlet when it comes to having people pay attention to the facts. Give me their record and it's ALL I need to know.

306 committed  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:47:40pm

Yeah, they will get what they deserve. But what about the rest of us who don't deserve it?


re: #303 sharp_discernment

I ask myself the same thing. No let me correct that: I wring my hands and pull my hair out wondering the same things! I have made some peace with it by realizing that with some people, no matter HOW much truth you give them, they just refuse to hear it. There have been example after example of Obama's corruption and unsavory connections and yet some people...refuse to hear it. You can't pound the truth into someone's head if they are not willing to hear it or see it. If the majority of Americans vote in Obama then they will get what they deserve.

307 looking closely  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:48:31pm

re: #299 rumcrook

McCain went a little easy on Obama with Ayers, but frankly, that isn't an issue that lends itself to strong attack during a debate.

It takes a long time to go over Ayers history and Obama's history with the guy, and quick sound bites don't cut it. If McCain really had the "goods" and could prove that (as alleged) Ayers actually babysat Obama's kids or ghostwrote his book, that would be something else, but he doesn't have them.

This is an issue that SHOULD have been vetted MONTHS ago by the media, but they're just carrying water for Obama.

308 capefear  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:48:57pm

I really haven't been a McCain fan although I planned on voting for him. I liked him at the Saddleback thing, but have been very disappointed with him since.
But tonight I thought he did wonderfully, he made me want to vote for him again. We keep in touch with our kids by phone during the debates. They and their spouses also thought he did great. So I agree with those who don't understand the reaction of the media, especially the people at Fox. It looks like Fred and Bill truly are the "Beltway Boys".

309 pittrader1988  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:49:48pm

If the election turns on Joe, McCain has a good shot.

If the election battlefront remains the same-Obama will win.

McCain is uneasy when he speaks about the economy. He hasn't mastered it. Obama is a lawyer-they can talk about anything and sound great. McCain sounds good when he talks about the foreign policy, free trade, abortion. Things he is confident in and understands.

does the election turn on the economy? McCain will lose if its on the economy, even though he has the correct plan.

310 sharp_discernment  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:51:11pm

re: #306 committed

We elect republicans to congress to try to thwart his efforts to rule the country (ala~Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro). And then we count the minutes until 2012.

311 rumcrook  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:51:57pm

sharp_discernment I had an argument today with some one who had thier own facts, and by that I mean completely false from another universe, I have no idea how to deal with someone who is wrapped in so many lies thier in a different universe. they told me mcain had voted for torture, barrack had not taken 250+thousand dollars from sally and freddie, barack had not voted against the law to save aborted babies who survived. its all a matter of record but they denied it all.

312 DistantThunder  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:52:45pm

re: #303 sharp_discernment

I ask myself the same thing. No let me correct that: I wring my hands and pull my hair out wondering the same things! I have made some peace with it by realizing that with some people, no matter HOW much truth you give them, they just refuse to hear it. There have been example after example of Obama's corruption and unsavory connections and yet some people...refuse to hear it. You can't pound the truth into someone's head if they are not willing to hear it or see it. If the majority of Americans vote in Obama then they will get what they deserve.

You have to watch the ex-kgb video - google it - the facts don't matter to the brainwashed,.

313 committed  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:54:02pm

I loved it when McCain remarked that Obama speaks very eloquently, but advised the people to listen to the words when he says "I'm looking at doing this or into this...". Thought it was a great point.

314 boiledwombat  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:54:07pm

I was astonished to hear Obama sounding like a moderate Republican at various times during the debate. He can be a very convincing actor when he gets his lines right - and a big part of the electorate wants to believe that he will fix whatever they think is wrong with the country.

It is clear to me that Obama can lie without the slightest hesitation and is completely unaffected by rebuttal or self-contradiction. He is supremely eloquent when speaking from a prepared script or talking points. It is only when he deviates that he stumbles badly and shows how little he knows.

His supporters do not care if he stumbles. They project their own desires onto the blank slate that Obama holds up and see what they want to see. Obama knows that part very well indeed.

McCain seemed to knock Obama off script, and scored a number of telling points on his background with Ayers and his association with ACORN, also with his use of "Joe the Plumber".

McCain won this round of "Gotcha". I do not believe that it is enough by itself to win the election and it is already very late.

I voted two days ago (and only once) by early ballot. Nothing either candidate could say tonight had any power to change that vote. About 40% of the electorate in this state will probably cast their votes by this same procedure in the next two weeks, placing themselves beyond reach of anybody's campaign.

McCain had better be on fire in the next two weeks.

315 rumcrook  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:54:57pm

looking closely, I just wanted mcain to package all the people into one shot and say you hang out with douchbags you have bad judgment.

316 Bummer  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 8:58:55pm

I just had a bad dream, and it was about this

317 committed  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:01:15pm

The problem with many people in this country who support Obama is that they want the government to take care of them. The notion of hard work to get ahead sounds like too much trouble. Too many people can make make more money living in subsidized housing, getting food stamps and a check in the mail from the government every month then they would get working for minimum wage.

318 Aussie Infidel  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:01:17pm

re: #296 Biff

McCain had Obama looking like a little boy for a few minutes, then he either got a little tired or just let up on his fellow Senator. It's very discouraging. John did a pretty good job, by far his best effort, but he should have just kept slamming him. Too much honor, not enough chutzpah.

McCain did Ok but looked as if he was just tired of the whole thing. I don't think he had the stamina to go toe to toe with Obama for the full debate and it showed.

319 talon_262  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:01:20pm

re: #21 DisturbedEma

WTF?!?!?!

320 sharp_discernment  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:02:23pm

re: #311 rumcrook

I know, I go into different blogs to try to make sound arguments in defense of John McCain based on facts, and so often I come up against completely irrational twists of the truth and facts from dems. It's frustrating because I can't even get to point B because they don't even have their facts straight enough to rebut with a viable argument. They're stuck on dem talking points and haven't moved beyond that to do and deeper truth digging. And talk about VITRIOL! Needless to say, the "conversations" don't last very long. I do try to reach at least one person if I can with facts and refrain from insults. Some of these folks are truly indoctrinated. The one question I can NEVER get a question to is "Why do you think Obama is infinitely qualified to be president" (because that's often what they say), and there are ALWAYS crickets chirping on that one, right after they come back with the "McCain will be 8 more years of the same", blah blah blah). Not a one can give a coherent answer to that.

321 chakal  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:06:04pm

McCain did better against Obama tonight than we have any right to expect. McCain is a patriot. Country first. His background and his family's background is service. He has principles that he is bound to uphold.
Obama, like Bill Clinton, is a slick character from nowhere, a clever but shallow opportunist. Trained as a lawyer, politics for him is just a moot court where he can argue anything to get himself elected. He advances under the banners of "Hope" and "Change" but he is pursuing the Marxist agenda he shares with Bill Ayres and Jeremiah Wright.

322 Aussie Infidel  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:06:13pm

re: #302 rumcrook

history, truth, and facts are now whatever liberals want them to be.

What do you mean y 'now'?

This has then the way of the left for at least 150 years. Please try to stay awake mate and realize that the left is after your kids brains. They won't come right out and do it. They will take their time but little by little 'like a frog not noticing that he's being slowly cooked in a pot of water that warms slowly' you and yours will wake up one day to find that you have had your freedom stolen ... in such a gentle and understanding way!


Back to sleep now!

323 sharp_discernment  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:09:35pm

re: #312 DistantThunder

You have to watch the ex-kgb video - google it - the facts don't matter to the brainwashed,.

Oh yeah, I saw that! That is frighteningly accurate. And I could see Ayers "the professor" role in there so clearly. This election (and nomination of Obama) is the culmination of that movement. I swear I see a conspiracy here. It's frakkin scary. I mentioned in another thread that Ayers is lethal, in a granola-eatin' way.

324 Candyxman  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:10:01pm

re: #20 Outrider

what r u talkin about we love mccain

325 LittleGreenFavre  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:12:38pm

re: #306 committed

Yeah, they will get what they deserve. But what about the rest of us who don't deserve it?

Then I think we're royally screwed. That's how democracy works. The majority get things their way and the rest of us (if BHO wins) just swallow hard, accept the results (assuming they win fair and square), get back on our feet, dust off and prepare to keep fighting for what is right, and God bless America!

326 Promethea  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:12:48pm

re: #135 rosh

What is with Fox in this election? I can't stand to watch them anymore. Do they have new owners or something?

I read somewhere that Rupert Murdoch owns them, and he wants O to win. Why? I don't know.

There are lots of multimillionaires who support O. There must be some reason for this. Bribes?

327 rumcrook  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:14:11pm

re: #320 sharp_discernment

it was even more frightining for me becuase it was in person and it went something like this, ---blah blah and thats why im feeding my dog ol roy from walmart my finances are down lately, Lib interupts with and I bet your voting for that evil maniac mcain! me: ummm yes actually I am. her: so why arent you voting for barack its becuase hes black huh?! me: thats kinda of out of line and unfair you dont know me. and what you just said is a little over the top. her ok your right but mcain blah blah (insert every crazy thing you can think of) me: well I wont vote for barack because I opose his political views and also becuse im a catholic and hes pro abortion. her:SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE! SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE! SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. me: huh? im voting my concience, I cant give support to someone that works for the death of innocent life, its nonsensical to tell me I cant vote against someone based on my personal and religious convictions.
her: YOUR EVIL!

me: um what!? I gotta go.

328 talon_262  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:14:58pm

re: #255 OldLineTexan

HEY! White people love Wayne Brady because he makes Bryant Gumbel look like Malcolm X.

Quoth Negrodamus...

/Chappelle's Show

329 sharp_discernment  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:16:01pm

re: #325 LittleGreenFavre

Then I think we're royally screwed. That's how democracy works. The majority get things their way and the rest of us (if BHO wins) just swallow hard, accept the results (assuming they win fair and square), get back on our feet, dust off and prepare to keep fighting for what is right, and God bless America!

Absolutely! I've been praying so hard my knees hurt! And I won't stop. McCain is coming to Woodbridge Virginia for a rally this Saturday, and I'm going to show some love and give some more from my wallet to the RNC until it hurts. The fight ain't over yet. NEVER SAY DIE! ;)

If anyone wants info on the rally, just let me know and I'll pass it on.

330 Crusty  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:27:30pm

Of course I wish both Wright and Ayers had been brought up, but if I had to choose between McCain going for the Ayers angle or the Wright angle, I'd go for the Ayers one.

The Rev. Wright controversey is already way out there but the Ayers connection has been muffled and minimized by the press. Also, I think terrorist-buddy Obama will, and should, scare more people that racist-buddy Obama.

McCain did a good job of smacking down Obama's "8 year old" defense and defining his association--his alliance--with a terrorist as what it was. I live 3 blocks from where Ayers' WUO bombed a squad car in front of a Chicago police station. That kinda thing gets innocent bystanders killed and I'd like to see Obama look me in the eye and tell me his shoulder-rubbing with Ayers is part of the American Dream.

331 Aussie Infidel  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:28:35pm

re: #325 LittleGreenFavre

Then I think we're royally screwed. That's how democracy works. The majority get things their way and the rest of us (if BHO wins) just swallow hard, accept the results (assuming they win fair and square), get back on our feet, dust off and prepare to keep fighting for what is right, and God bless America!

I would normally agree with you mate. But not this time.


This time we are in the middle of a war that we HAVE to win anyway we can. It's a war of survival where the loser is exterminated.

No not the doopy muslims. I'm talking about the REAL war ... this Cultural war that has been raging for the past 40 years. Normally the protagonists have been 'incrementalists', satisfied to make minor incursions in the enemy's territory, claiming a minor victory here and a tactical advance there.


No More!


We are now at a stage in this War of culture where major wins and loses will happen. The defeated will be philosophically exterminated . Not directly but the next generation's minds will be changed by the new cultural and political environment.


The physical extermination and gulags come a generation later for those children of yours who do not comply with the new polity!

332 ssn697  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:37:05pm

I just want to get this straight:

Under Bush, those on welfare increased 50 percent, but Obama is the welfare candidate?

Pretty simple numbers. Go ahead and flame away...

333 Crusty  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:38:38pm

re: #313 committed

I loved it when McCain remarked that Obama speaks very eloquently, but advised the people to listen to the words when he says "I'm looking at doing this or into this...". Thought it was a great point.

I agree, that was a useful bit of instruction to people who have been schmoozed by Obama's silver tongue. Maybe John's learned a thing or two from Palin over the past couple of months.

I have this picture in my mind of Palin watching him say that and, in a Yoda voice, murmuring "Hmmm, good, yes. Expose his non-committal statements you have, yes, hmmm."

334 profitsbeard  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:39:23pm

Mac kicked ass and took names!

Obama ducked, dodged and hid.

On to November 4th!

335 WayDownSouthInBama  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:52:18pm

I just posted a link to the transcript of tonights debate in the Spinoff Links. I kind of hate it's from the NYT but it IS easy to read if that makes it any better.

336 Old Hippie Vet  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:11:54pm

McCain did a good job and Bullwinkle lied his ass off, which will probably show up in some adds soon.

Is it just my bad eyes or does Michelle have a big ass?

337 Jaydee  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:38:26pm

Watching it on Fox News at the moment (repeat), and so far, it's really looking good from McCain. Brilliant.

338 SteveC  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:41:28pm

re: #336 Old Hippie Vet

Is it just my bad eyes or does Michelle have a big ass?


Barak likes big butts! (You brothers can not deny!)

339 LittleGreenFavre  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:50:35pm

re: #331 Aussie Infidel

I would normally agree with you mate. But not this time.

This time we are in the middle of a war that we HAVE to win anyway we can. It's a war of survival where the loser is exterminated.

[...]

We are now at a stage in this War of culture where major wins and loses will happen. The defeated will be philosophically exterminated . Not directly but the next generation's minds will be changed by the new cultural and political environment.

The physical extermination and gulags come a generation later for those children of yours who do not comply with the new polity!

I see your point, and frankly, I don't see where exactly are you disagreeing with what I said.

This Sen. Obama is the Trojan horse of this new breed of totalitarians, leaner, meaner, slicker and savvier that the fossilized Marxists of the past century. They are smarter, less dogmatic than their ancestors, and fully engaged in the game of assembling loose, broad alliances with any enemy of the widely held and generally accepted (until a mere half century ago, give or take) core principles of Western Civilization. These neototalitarians scrapped the old idea of violent revolution to achieve political power, choosing instead to subvert, erode and topple the system from within through the same mechanisms of representative democracy.

To achieve this end, it is crucial for neototalitarians to catapult a charismatic, fresh, unknown figure from nowhere to primetime, in order to capture the imaginations of a target population already dissatisfied with politics as usual that can be sold into the hope of a sweeping change, which can best be brought through the leadership of that charismatic man. How did Obama get to be known for the first time out of Chicago? Remember The Speech? It was delivered during the DNC 2004. Boy, that was impressive! That day I knew that that would not be the last time that we heard something from this guy. How I wish I was wrong!

If you want to know where this country may be heading if BHO gets elected POTUS, there is an ongoing case study: Venezuela, under the boots of Hugo Chavez since 1998. Research it. He rose from nowhere to instant celebrity status in 1992, after he took full responsibility for a military coup against the democratic government led by President Perez in mere 50 seconds in live national TV. A populace fed up with hardship and widespread corruption felt sympathetically toward those young military officers who allegedly just tried to clean up a big mess and return power to the civilians after a short transition. Six years later, he ran for president as a democratic reformer who would clean up and perfect democracy through a Constitutional Assembly who would write a new Constitution to provide strong, healthy bases for that new democracy. During his campaign he denied being a communist, even denouncing Fidel Castro as a dictator, and generally weaved a web of lies and deceit regarding allies, past relationships, and ideology. He won the election in a landslide, fair and square.

Venezuela had many problems in 1998, including corruption and the economy, which was bad enough. Now, 10 years later, Chavez is openly communist and the country is ruined, but believe me, Venezuelan democrats have fought the tyrant all the way, and they're not giving up anytime soon, however, it's been an uphill battle.

Going back to your comment, do you have any ideas about what clear-thinking Americans should do if BHO becomes POTUS, starting January 2009, to avoid seeing America destroyed by anti-Western neototalitarianism?

I think we should fight for America, for what is right and good. The actual unfolding of events would dictate how that patriotic fight should be carried on.

340 I Need A Bigger Gun  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:06:00pm

I missed most of the debate because of my new work hours (noon to 9:30 pm ET) but I did manage to catch a bit of it on the radio during the drive home. After two Little O lies in the first five minutes, I had to turn it off, but I'm glad to hear that Mac finally got a bit aggressive in this debate. Of course, the MSM will probably accuse him of being mean...

341 I Need A Bigger Gun  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:48:20pm

re: #280 Pepper

Fox commentators are not predisposed to McCain. His loyalty conservatives a demonstrated by his bipartisan approaches while seemingly pragmatic are perceived as fouls in a polarized Congress. Their reaction is not surprising, but the independents should be polling higher for him.

We shall see the MSM closing the numbers gap to avoid a total loss of credibility. FOX appears to be discounted in this issue by none other than Obama himself who gave them the verbal finger in a debate.

Voters, the ones who show up will decide, not the polls.

The psych out factor is now in effect.

Too late for that. The MSM's credibility has long been gone.

342 jiminycricket  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:04:29am

re: #108 DisturbedEma

I am glad I watched, through my fingers at times, but I had my 10 year old with me, who is an INTENSE McCain fan. . .

He listened to Obama talk about his tax plan, when Obama said he was going to tax people to help people. Bibi looked at me and said- are people really falling for that? How is taking your money and giving it to others helping anyone but him?

I think I may be raising an Independent:)

Autism jokes nothwithstanding, thank you lizards for helping me through this- in my heart I know leaving the Democratic party was the rifht thing to do, unlike Obama, I will be facing the music for my "associations" tomorrow with my union steward, to assess my standing on the "important issues"

Did I mention I am a teacher?

You're also rude and insensitive. And being a mother of an autistic child and a teacher doesn't excuse shitting on people.

343 capefear  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:36:08am

Didn't have time to read all the comments so this may have been mentioned, but Ruppert Murdock, owner of Fox, gave a fund-raiser for Hillary during the primaries. He seems to be a businessman and pragmatist, not an ideologue. If trying to make Obama happy, is the game they are playing at fox, they will find our rather quickly that he tolerates no decent, not even a whiff of it.
If Obama gets elected I'm guessing Fox will either go completely against him or completely for him.

344 Yankee Sojourner  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:04:21am

Fox News' post-debate coverage has been in the tank for Uh-Obama 3 for 3. I wonder how much that cost. F*** 'em.

BTW, since when did saying "Uh" every other word qualify someone as an eloquent speaker? Nonetheless, the McCain camp should have been putting out there from jump, "What professional campaigner isn't an eloquent speaker?"

When O was first elected to the IL Senate he immediately began stumping for reelection; he spent his entire 2nd term in corrupt IL campaigning for the US Senate; and once on the Hill, seeking the presidency. WTF, I'd give a pretty damn good speech too if I was a professional campaigner.

345 Yankee Sojourner  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:24:22am

re: #326 Promethea

I read somewhere that Rupert Murdoch owns them, and he wants O to win. Why? I don't know.

There are lots of multimillionaires who support O. There must be some reason for this. Bribes?


When Obama was out fundraising in Marin County, CA at the Ghetty estate on "Billionaires Row" [see Zombie's excellent photo-essay] do you think he warned his audience saying, "You guys, you filthy rich billionaires, are going to have to give up a bigger piece of your pie. In fact as I speak Michelle is out in North Carolina addressing a crowd of school mothers saying this very thing. You need to elect me because I support income redistribution and plan on spreading your wealth around."?

346 sudaman  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:53:58am

After watching that debate I felt a LOT better about McCain than I did before. There were a few fits of screaming at the TV when I thought he should have hammered Obama a bit better, but overall I think he did great. Obama was simply unbelieveable and sounded like a broken record with his socialistic talking points. The disgust I felt after listening to him babble out his Marxist crap only got worse when the pinhead pundits started their 'analyses' and clearly had already scripted them. I hope McCain pulls it off come election day!

347 BaseballMom57  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 6:14:58am

re: #73 Devolving One

Wow. McCain showed up!

And so did Wayne Brady...oh, wait...that's Michelle Obama.

Coffee spew! Out the nose, even! LMAO

348 lc hoghead  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 8:10:05am

1. The sub-prime crisis had its origins in the Clinton era.(NOT the Bush Admin as Obama blames) The Community Reinvestment Act mandated that Banks make risky loans. ( Obama actually sued Citibank to Force them to loan to unqualified persons.)

2. The potential economic problems were seen in the late 1990's by John McCain. His warnings were IGNORED by Democrats.

3. The Bush administration has tried every year since 2003 to remedy the subprime problems,but were blocked by liberals like Frank and is Dodd..Obama was the second largest recipient of Fanny Mae/Freddie Mac campaign contribution largess .

4. The culture of corruption decried by the Democrats is alive and well in their own party; To wit:
a. Rep Tim Mahoney (D-Fl) is worse than Mark Foley; Foley never paid hush money
b. Nancy Pelosi knew about this scandal and never did a thing
c. No Democrat, Alabama, will acknowledge their complicity in the present crisis.
d. Senator Obama is getting economic advice from the architects responsible for the melt-down at Fannie Mae (Raines/Johnson)

5. Senator Obama's economic plan will deliver tax cuts, only after the larger Bush tax cuts are allowed to expire.(a net tax INCREASE).Obamas plan will cause MASSIVE layoffs,and worsen the current financial crisis.American businesses currently pay the SECOND HIGHEST TAX RATE in the WORLD. This KILLS jobs.

6. Senator Obama's tax plan will pay money to people who do not pay taxes at all at present ,and some who do not work at all.

7. Senator Obama's tax plan is a "Share the Wealth" plan revivied. Pure Socialism and corrupt wealth redistribution. He promises tax cuts to 95% of Americans,yet 40% of Americans DO NOT PAY TAXES. That is Welfare.

8. Senator Obama's health care plan is no plan at all and will result in a system akin the to UK's national health service, or worse.( where you can wait up to NINE months for a surgical procedure )

9. How can Obamas tax plan will work,when it contains $1.5 trillion in NEW spending

10. Note the Iranian motor vessel seized by pirates and how the Russians think it was meant to be a giant dirty bomb--and that Obama wants to meet with the man who authorized such an act.
(ahmedinejhad)

11 Obama calls for a new alternative energy policy to replace oil. NO SUCH ALTERNATIVE CURRENTLY EXISTS. His policy would only RAISE the price of gas. Obama is against Nuclear power, offshore drilling, and ANWAR drilling,

12 Obama has NO LEGISLATIVE accomplishments in his 4 years in the US Senate. He has NO executive experience to be president. He is a Jeremiah Wright apprentice and the friend of the Reverend of hate, racism and anti-Americanism , An apprentice of a black racist (Wright)and a murdering left wing socialist (Ayres),accomplice of a mob kingpin (Rezko). Obama has an admitted communist mother and grandfather. Obama was a member of the New SOCIALIST party in the 1990s. Do you really believe he sat in church ,NEVER hearing Rev Wrights RACISM & HATE, for 20 YEARS?

13 Obama has voted for tax increases 94 times! In the state senate, Obama voted "present" (no vote) 138 times. Presidents cant vote "present".on the tough issues.

14 Obama supports barbaric partial birth abortion and INFANTICIDE. He voted AGAINST a law requiring a Doctor to save the life of a baby who SURVIVE an Abortion. (These babies are currently left unattended to DIE.) When questioned by Rev Rick Warren, Obama said the question of Abortion was (quote) "above my pay grade"!

15 Obamas own running mate ,Joe Biden has said Obama was too inexperienced to be President and that the Presidency was NOT a "on the job training position." Conversely ,Biden complimented McCain, noting that he (Biden) thought McCain would make a "Great" president

16 Obama pays Women on his staff only 83 cents on the dollar

17 Obama is AGAINST the Second Amendment rights He supported the Washington DC ban on concealed carry firearms.

18 Obama wants to eliminate funding for the antimissle program which protects America from Nuclear attack.

349 joan  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 8:14:15am

re: #108 DisturbedEma

I am glad I watched, through my fingers at times, but I had my 10 year old with me, who is an INTENSE McCain fan. . .

He listened to Obama talk about his tax plan, when Obama said he was going to tax people to help people. Bibi looked at me and said- are people really falling for that? How is taking your money and giving it to others helping anyone but him?

I think I may be raising an Independent:)

Autism jokes nothwithstanding, thank you lizards for helping me through this- in my heart I know leaving the Democratic party was the rifht thing to do, unlike Obama, I will be facing the music for my "associations" tomorrow with my union steward, to assess my standing on the "important issues"

Did I mention I am a teacher?

I'm also under inappropriate duress about how I'm going to vote--I work for liberals. So far, I've been honest in saying I "lean" McCain but find Obama very poised and charismatic. However, if I have to, I will just smile and nod and keep my mouth SHUT because I have to have a job. Liberals take reprisals and thank God we have a secret ballot in the U.S.

350 TaeJohnDo  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 8:48:47am

re: #20 Outrider

OK, Post number three: I thought McCain won but Obama didn't lose, which is all he had to do. I also think the polls are slanted Dem so the race is closer than they want us to believe, and McCain has a good shot.

All I heard this morning at work was "Joe the Plumber" -- which got people to see what the little o said to him -- which was a positive outcome of the debate.

351 Crusty  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:09:23pm

re: #336 Old Hippie Vet

McCain did a good job and Bullwinkle lied his ass off, which will probably show up in some adds soon.

Is it just my bad eyes or does Michelle have a big ass?

She does have a big ass. His name is "Barack".


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