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Final Presidential Debate 2008, The Wrap-Up

Politics | Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 7:32:51 pm PDT

OK, it’s over, the wives are suddenly on stage, and here’s a thread for post-debate wrangling.

At least they didn’t hug.

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1 rawmuse  10/15/08 7:34:11 pm reply quote

Johnny Mac did well. I hope it was enough.

2 Sharmuta  10/15/08 7:34:27 pm reply quote

Browkaw declares Joe Plumber the winner.

3 JacksonTn  10/15/08 7:34:35 pm reply quote

Are the Wright ads out yet ...........

4 zombie  10/15/08 7:34:37 pm reply quote

I declare that McCain was the winner in REALITY.

But the MSM will declare Obama the winner in their fantasyland.

5 bosforus  10/15/08 7:34:50 pm reply quote

Glad to hear the "McCain wooped a**" news. Time for the MSM coverup.

6 Killgore Trout  10/15/08 7:34:53 pm reply quote

I wonder if Joe is hugging his wife too.

7 Shug  10/15/08 7:35:04 pm reply quote

McCain Won big

8 jaunte  10/15/08 7:35:08 pm reply quote

Well that was a relief. McCain did well.

9 JSK1121  10/15/08 7:35:11 pm reply quote

re: #2 Sharmuta

Browkaw declares Joe Plumber the winner.

Do you know how much business he'll get outta this? He's a B List celeb after this debate. 20 mentions!

10 Fat Jolly Penguin  10/15/08 7:35:33 pm reply quote

re: #4 zombie

I declare that McCain was the winner in REALITY.

But the MSM will declare Obama the winner in their fantasyland.

And whine and scream about McCain running a negative campaign.

11 reine.de.tout  10/15/08 7:35:43 pm reply quote

refreshing for comments

12 zombie  10/15/08 7:35:44 pm reply quote

Damn, I hope they wanded everyone in that crowd. The Secret Service guys can keep their eyes on everyone at once.

13 Mich-again  10/15/08 7:35:49 pm reply quote

If you aint cheating, you aint trying to hope and change.

14 Sharmuta  10/15/08 7:35:52 pm reply quote

re: #9 JSK1121

Most famous political plumber since Watergate.

15 looking closely  10/15/08 7:35:58 pm reply quote

Holy cow. I was scared, but glad I watched THAT.

Where was this McCain the last two debates?

16 jaunte  10/15/08 7:36:16 pm reply quote

A toast to all good plumbers.

17 nyc redneck  10/15/08 7:36:20 pm reply quote

mccain won.

18 zombie  10/15/08 7:36:21 pm reply quote

re: #5 bosforus

Glad to hear the "McCain wooped a**" news. Time for the MSM coverup.

It's already starting.

19 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  10/15/08 7:36:25 pm reply quote

re: #15 looking closely

Holy cow. I was scared, but glad I watched THAT.

Where was this McCain the last two debates?

Setting this one up...

20 Outrider  10/15/08 7:36:26 pm reply quote

Cue for all the posters with under 300 comments to start slamming McCain. On 3...2...1...Go

21 DisturbedEma  10/15/08 7:36:41 pm reply quote

Zombie

MY 8 YEAR OLD HAS AUTISM. . .SHUT THE FUCK UP! You have NO idea what it is like and FUCKING knock it off!

22 bryantms  10/15/08 7:36:41 pm reply quote

McCain surprised even me...he was really on top of it tonight.

23 rw in san diego  10/15/08 7:36:41 pm reply quote

re: #12 zombie

You're just saying that because of the people you often hang out with!

24 Kosh's Shadow  10/15/08 7:36:53 pm reply quote

I couldn't face it this time. Too much OTHER stress in my life.

25 Catttt  10/15/08 7:37:02 pm reply quote

McCain kissed all the ladies.
Michelle wouldn't let Barry do that.

26 legalpad  10/15/08 7:37:12 pm reply quote

What's the deal with Kristol? He's so negative now.

27 Mich-again  10/15/08 7:37:28 pm reply quote

Is Joe Plumber related to Joe Sixpack? Same guy?

28 Shug  10/15/08 7:37:29 pm reply quote

We haven't heard so much about a guy Laying pipe since Clinton was in office

29 HelloDare  10/15/08 7:37:41 pm reply quote

These talking heads are useless. They are now going to tell me what I just saw. I can understand somebody interpreting for the deaf. But it's like we don't have a brain.

30 looking closely  10/15/08 7:37:43 pm reply quote

McCain fumbled the ball a bit on Ayers, but he hit 0-bama pretty hard on education, taxes, spending, energy.

Obama stumbed, swung and missed.

The format really helped here. . .

31 David IV of Georgia  10/15/08 7:37:47 pm reply quote

Cnn is sh*tt*ng on the debate now.

32 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  10/15/08 7:37:54 pm reply quote

I hate pundits!

33 DisturbedEma  10/15/08 7:37:58 pm reply quote

re: #23 rw in san diego

You're just saying that because of the people you often hang out with!

If this is about his autistic vote comment. . .fut

34 zombie  10/15/08 7:38:00 pm reply quote

Damn, I am sick! I never actually watch the MSM, and I'm watching it now for the first time in a long time.

Insane bias!

My mouth is hanging open!

They delcare McCain the loser already!

35 rusty_armor  10/15/08 7:38:00 pm reply quote

This was an all time yawner ... McCaine fought him to a draw ... and lost ...

36 rw in san diego  10/15/08 7:38:01 pm reply quote

The Fox team watched another debate, again.

37 CapeCoddah  10/15/08 7:38:07 pm reply quote

MSM already calling for McCain, even on Fox

38 mjbrutus  10/15/08 7:38:08 pm reply quote

Thank you Johnnie Mac!

Not only did you shine tonight, but you forced the MSM to take a genuine look at O'bambam's ties to Ayers and especially ACORN. With ACORN in the headlines every single day lately, that is gonna leave a mark.

39 doppelganglander  10/15/08 7:38:08 pm reply quote

Mac did better than the last two debates, but he could have hit a lot harder. He's got nothing to lose now. He should go for the jugular.

40 witness  10/15/08 7:38:09 pm reply quote

re: #31 David IV of Georgia

Begala is an asshole

41 jcm  10/15/08 7:38:10 pm reply quote

Going to the "undecided" voters for opinion.

How the *&%$ can anyone be undecided?
The bloody contrast between the two is Red, White and Blue, and just Red.

42 Palandine  10/15/08 7:38:15 pm reply quote

The Fox crew watched a different debate, as usual.

43 Killian Bundy  10/15/08 7:38:23 pm reply quote

Given McCain's style, I think he did the best he could have done tonight and he landed almost all the punches in the available arsenal, I don't see how he could have done any better.

/there's still more work to do before the election, but then we all knew there would be

44 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  10/15/08 7:38:29 pm reply quote

Nina Easton didn't watch the debate I did... Zero smoothly "lobbing them back"

WTF?

45 jaunte  10/15/08 7:38:41 pm reply quote

refresh

46 steveoh  10/15/08 7:38:48 pm reply quote

McCain won. But no knock out punch. Especially leaving Wright out of the conversation. I only hope the pollsters are as wrong as they were 4 years ago.

47 Noam Sayin'  10/15/08 7:39:00 pm reply quote

Couldn't get one comment in the whole night.

... after my first couple comments.

48 Mich-again  10/15/08 7:39:01 pm reply quote

Is there a Hussein Plumber somewhere out there?

49 mattmoss  10/15/08 7:39:01 pm reply quote

re: #27 Mich-again

Is Joe Plumber related to Joe Sixpack? Same guy?

No, but they're neighbors; Sixpack always borrows Plumber's torque wrench but never returns it.

50 DistantThunder  10/15/08 7:39:02 pm reply quote

I couldn't bear to watch. Instead I prayed my heart out. Tomorrow I head over to PA to held with the campaign.

51 AriZoney  10/15/08 7:39:23 pm reply quote

I counted the number of times each candidate went "Um" "Uh" or "Eeah"

McCain: 29

Obama: 251

52 redmirabai  10/15/08 7:39:29 pm reply quote

re: #20 Outrider

I have under 300, and I think McCain whipped Barry's butt!

Go Johnny, go!

53 RememberSekhmet?  10/15/08 7:39:38 pm reply quote

Keep one thing in mind, Fox commenters:


Obama may have had an answer, but the answer was BS and now it's on the record as BS

54 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  10/15/08 7:39:56 pm reply quote

Oh boy.... Frank Luntz...

55 zombie  10/15/08 7:40:00 pm reply quote

re: #21 DisturbedEma

Zombie

MY 8 YEAR OLD HAS AUTISM. . .SHUT THE FUCK UP! You have NO idea what it is like and FUCKING knock it off!

I am not being sarcastic! I am serious! The autism vote is important! It is a new significant issue in America and a lot of people (like you and me) care about it!

Sorry if you thought I was being facetitious!

The people who care about Autism are an overlooked voting block. We're on the same side.

56 LSD  10/15/08 7:40:00 pm reply quote

re: #35 rusty_armor

Go back to Kos-Land, Rusty .... sleeeep.

57 jim_beam  10/15/08 7:40:01 pm reply quote

Wow CNN is calling this as a tie.

McCain must have beat up on Obama

58 RememberSekhmet?  10/15/08 7:40:06 pm reply quote

Pinker-infiltrated focus group

59 bcgirl  10/15/08 7:40:17 pm reply quote

thank you for showing up Mr. President John Mc Cain

60 Joo-LiZ  10/15/08 7:40:27 pm reply quote

re: #20 Outrider

Cue for all the posters with under 300 comments to start slamming McCain. On 3...2...1...Go

McCain was horrible! Obama Won!
//


Just kidding... I didn't actually watch this one, but after reading some of these comments, I kind of wish I had.

Was McCain really better this time around than the last two?

61 newsjunkie_ky  10/15/08 7:40:28 pm reply quote

frickin focus group.

62 doppelganglander  10/15/08 7:40:35 pm reply quote

Why does Fox keep bringing in Luntz and his Carnival of Morons? They are clearly Obama plants. I hate Fox just as much as the other networks these days.

63 JacksonTn  10/15/08 7:40:36 pm reply quote

Loved the first guy on Luntz ...... Obama sounded good ..... but I don't trust him ....he said that ..... I love it

64 Catttt  10/15/08 7:40:49 pm reply quote

On Barry: "He won the debate, but I still don't trust him."

Interesting.

65 legalpad  10/15/08 7:40:53 pm reply quote

I'm watching FOX and I think they are all underestimating McCain.

The so-called voters think Obama won? What morons.

66 ArmyWife  10/15/08 7:40:56 pm reply quote

Anyone watching Fox? Obama won? Obama was specific? When? Where?

67 Palandine  10/15/08 7:40:57 pm reply quote

re: #21 DisturbedEma

Zombie

MY 8 YEAR OLD HAS AUTISM. . .SHUT THE FUCK UP! You have NO idea what it is like and FUCKING knock it off!

Whoa, I don't know the Undead One, but I'm pretty sure you're misreading its intentions. God bless you and your family.

/Luntz and his democrats on now. Feh.

68 Siberian Khatru  10/15/08 7:40:58 pm reply quote

Aaaaand, of course, Frank Luntz' "undecided" focus group on FOX goes almost entirely for The One, again... Where the hell does he find these idiots?

69 Sharmuta  10/15/08 7:40:59 pm reply quote

I've turned the TV off now. No need to see the pundits try to bullshit me into thinking 0bama won when he clearly had his ass handed to him.

My guess is the vast majority of Americans likewise have no need to be told by msm assholes what it is they just saw.

70 Intrepid  10/15/08 7:41:02 pm reply quote

re: #21 DisturbedEma

Zombie

MY 8 YEAR OLD HAS AUTISM. . .SHUT THE FUCK UP! You have NO idea what it is like and FUCKING knock it off!

Uhm, HELLO! My two nephews are autistic, and I'm glad Zombie said what he/she said! It's time autism and all special needs children get someone in the White House who cares for them and will be their advocate.

And who the hell are you to tell Zombie to shut the fuck up?

Troll.

71 nyc redneck  10/15/08 7:41:06 pm reply quote

mccain spoke to the american public.
he was strong and focused.
now he has time to really win this thing.

72 witness  10/15/08 7:41:06 pm reply quote

These people being interviewed on Fox are morons

73 Devolving One  10/15/08 7:41:07 pm reply quote

Wow. McCain showed up!

And so did Wayne Brady...oh, wait...that's Michelle Obama.

74 Noam Sayin'  10/15/08 7:41:07 pm reply quote

Wow. 570 logged on. I haven't been reading comments tonight, choosing instead to iron some clothes and watch on FOX. Without your input, I felt McCain did very well tonight, and I think that will transfer to many of my MOR cohorts.

Oh, crap. Here's Frank Luntz again.

75 guzziguy  10/15/08 7:41:09 pm reply quote

Crap. Even fox pretty much says Hoover won.

76 hazzyday  10/15/08 7:41:09 pm reply quote

re: #21 DisturbedEma

Zombie

MY 8 YEAR OLD HAS AUTISM. . .SHUT THE FUCK UP! You have NO idea what it is like and FUCKING knock it off!

I am not understaning your point here? I know what autism is like. Make a point instead of flying off the handle.

77 jorline  10/15/08 7:41:10 pm reply quote

Obama...If you vote for me I'll fleece you for everything you have...that's a promise.

78 TheMatrix31  10/15/08 7:41:10 pm reply quote

LMAO @ the guy on FNC.

"I'm not voting for best debator, I'm voting for President."

...WHAT?!

79 David IV of Georgia  10/15/08 7:41:16 pm reply quote

re: #46 steveoh

McCain won. But no knock out punch. Especially leaving Wright out of the conversation. I only hope the pollsters are as wrong as they were 4 years ago.

I remember the surprise of 1980. I hope to see that surprise once again.

80 rosh  10/15/08 7:41:18 pm reply quote

re: #18 zombie

It's already starting.


Fox is part of it, aren't they?

81 rawmuse  10/15/08 7:41:20 pm reply quote

The one time that I think Obama told a bald face lie was when he attempted to deny his vote on the infanticide bill. He said it was not true. These things are a matter of public record, and are not subject to spin.

82 RememberSekhmet?  10/15/08 7:41:28 pm reply quote

Yup, "If you wanted to run against George Bush, you should have run 4 years ago."

83 looking closely  10/15/08 7:41:35 pm reply quote

And this was SUPPOSED to be Obama's strength, and he fell on his face.

Unfortunately, viewership tonight was probably lower than the first two.

Too bad.

84 zombie  10/15/08 7:41:35 pm reply quote

40% of the people in the polling room raised their hands, and the leader said, "A clear majority." WTF?

85 jaunte  10/15/08 7:41:38 pm reply quote

Luntz is crazy if he believes his group is truly undecided.

86 beholden  10/15/08 7:41:40 pm reply quote

re: #20 Outrider

Why you hating on the peeps who lurk? I thought McCain tore it up. He was fighting hard tonight. Loved it.

87 Syrah  10/15/08 7:41:41 pm reply quote

re: #6 Killgore Trout

I wonder if Joe is hugging his wife too.

Joe the Plumber & his Wife.

Be of good cheer Killgore, we live in momentous times.

It is good to be alive.

Those that come after us will envy us this time that we have.

88 Dark_Falcon  10/15/08 7:41:49 pm reply quote

re: #10 Fat Jolly Penguin

And whine and scream about McCain running a negative campaign.

To borrow from Winston Churchill: "Let them whine, let them scream, we shall come through."

89 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  10/15/08 7:41:58 pm reply quote

WTF debate were the Foxpundits watching?

90 MandyManners  10/15/08 7:42:22 pm reply quote
91 hazzyday  10/15/08 7:42:24 pm reply quote

re: #35 rusty_armor

This was an all time yawner ... McCaine fought him to a draw ... and lost ...

Good attitude you carry about with yourself.

92 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  10/15/08 7:42:36 pm reply quote

re: #11 reine.de.tout

refreshing for comments

Is that all you can post?

93 zombie  10/15/08 7:42:44 pm reply quote

re: #80 rosh

Fox is part of it, aren't they?

Yup.

94 witness  10/15/08 7:42:59 pm reply quote

re: #85 jaunte

As Howard Beal said: "Turn your TV off. Turn it off! Turn it off!"

95 Mich-again  10/15/08 7:43:00 pm reply quote

re: #49 mattmoss

No, but they're neighbors; Sixpack always borrows Plumber's torque wrench but never returns it.

When all your tools are Channelocks all your problems look like nuts.

96 savarulz  10/15/08 7:43:01 pm reply quote

If I ever lied as much as Obama did tonight my mama would've washed my mouth out with soap.

97 nigella  10/15/08 7:43:05 pm reply quote

Wow, I no that I'm a Republican and a McCain supporter but I thought McCain won this one. Really bummed that even Fox thinks Obama won. This is really weird!

98 RememberSekhmet?  10/15/08 7:43:07 pm reply quote

Shit, are y'al watching the focus group? They say Obamajebus won the debate, but they still won't vote for him, except for Miss Code Pink in front.

99 rw in san diego  10/15/08 7:43:12 pm reply quote

Luntz's losers...time to turn off Fox.

100 legalpad  10/15/08 7:43:13 pm reply quote

re: #66 ArmyWife

Anyone watching Fox? Obama won? Obama was specific? When? Where?

Yeah, exactly. One of them thinks "He made a good point" about connect John with George. But he made NO point, he simply asserted it. McCain refuted it with his record.

101 jcm  10/15/08 7:43:15 pm reply quote

Frakkin' undecideds, Palin unqualified.

And Barack is?

Moron's voting us into oblivion.

102 bcgirl  10/15/08 7:43:17 pm reply quote

fucking ABC just blatently lied lied lied about AYERS and the launch of obamas career---ok but they did also just admit the 800k to acorn from obama,,,

103 greensbuickfarm  10/15/08 7:43:19 pm reply quote

did you just see the 'who won the debate' comment on FOX? raise your hand if you think Obama won...some raised hand. Commentator:

"Clearly Obama WON the debate"

WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT

PLEASE someone get a screencap of that. It appeared to me less than half raised their hands. Most of the comments from the people are PRO McCain...

104 PAgirlinNC  10/15/08 7:43:20 pm reply quote

I really believe that the McCain camp has got to come out with an ad that shows all of Obama's horrible associations - from childhood to now
(Davis, Ayers, Wright, Pflegler, Odinga, etc). There is so much information there that the average person does not know that I think it would really make a difference.

105 bhjets  10/15/08 7:43:25 pm reply quote

God these Luntz people are idiots

106 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  10/15/08 7:43:31 pm reply quote

re: #14 Sharmuta

Most famous political plumber since Watergate.

I wonder if his mom was Josephine the plumber?

107 Sharmuta  10/15/08 7:43:34 pm reply quote

Don't watch the pundits, folks. It will only piss you off.

108 DisturbedEma  10/15/08 7:43:36 pm reply quote

I am glad I watched, through my fingers at times, but I had my 10 year old with me, who is an INTENSE McCain fan. . .

He listened to Obama talk about his tax plan, when Obama said he was going to tax people to help people. Bibi looked at me and said- are people really falling for that? How is taking your money and giving it to others helping anyone but him?

I think I may be raising an Independent:)

Autism jokes nothwithstanding, thank you lizards for helping me through this- in my heart I know leaving the Democratic party was the rifht thing to do, unlike Obama, I will be facing the music for my "associations" tomorrow with my union steward, to assess my standing on the "important issues"

Did I mention I am a teacher?

109 missviolin  10/15/08 7:43:51 pm reply quote

re: #65 legalpad

Spin it around - then again the other way, You won't know what hit you. Now BHO is the winner. Now he's not. Next?

110 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  10/15/08 7:43:58 pm reply quote

Luntz....joke. He's been pwned.

111 Walter L. Newton  10/15/08 7:44:06 pm reply quote

Abc radio says Obama was a cool while McCain came across as angry. And of course, nothing nice to say about McCain at all. Oh, they also said fact checker says he didn't start his political career in Ayers living room. Now I am hearing it was at a hotel or a rabbi's house. Where the hell did they come up with that?

112 SeafoodGumbo  10/15/08 7:44:15 pm reply quote

re: #68 Siberian Khatru

Aaaaand, of course, Frank Luntz' "undecided" focus group on FOX goes almost entirely for The One, again... Where the hell does he find these idiots?

Listening to these morons is scary. They really don't know barely anything. Their answers never mention specifics.

I'm reminded of the Howard Stern interviews in Harlem from the other day.

113 DistantThunder  10/15/08 7:44:16 pm reply quote

Just a few minutes ago all the green pluses disappeared from the articles that charles posts, (ie. the Wrap up) where you can rate the article underneath the title - now they are all back - I don't know what that was about. I could see the red minus signs, but the plus box was an empty black square - Just FYI. Never seen that happen before.

And it was consistent for all the articles on this page.

114 bhjets  10/15/08 7:44:28 pm reply quote

Wow..what a suprise. Luntz-losers went of Obama

115 DisturbedEma  10/15/08 7:44:31 pm reply quote

re: #55 zombie

I am not being sarcastic! I am serious! The autism vote is important! It is a new significant issue in America and a lot of people (like you and me) care about it!

Sorry if you thought I was being facetitious!

The people who care about Autism are an overlooked voting block. We're on the same side.

Sorry, read the Denis Leary comments today. . .off the rails. . .sorry, I am SO protective :(

116 yochanan  10/15/08 7:44:34 pm reply quote

John did a great job

117 MJBrutus  10/15/08 7:44:42 pm reply quote

The Luntz group:

Undecided my big, fat, white ass. I see a bunch of liars who wanted to be on the boob toob.

118 Sharmuta  10/15/08 7:44:44 pm reply quote

re: #98 RememberSekhmet?

Shit, are y'al watching the focus group? They say Obamajebus won the debate, but they still won't vote for him, except for Miss Code Pink in front.

Really? So they think he won but are not moved to vote for him. That's awesome.

The not voting for him part, I mean.

119 zombie  10/15/08 7:44:49 pm reply quote

Complete insanity. Took about 90 seconds for Obama to be declared the winner by the MSM. My essay from earlier today vastly understated the case!

120 Dark_Falcon  10/15/08 7:45:06 pm reply quote

re: #98 RememberSekhmet?

Shit, are y'al watching the focus group? They say Obamajebus won the debate, but they still won't vote for him, except for Miss Code Pink in front.

If McCain wins via the Bradley Effect, I can live with that.

121 HelloDare  10/15/08 7:45:15 pm reply quote

Obama is winding down from the debate. He's telling smaller and smaller lies. In an hour he'll be down to his standard fibs.