This is as scientific as any!

Senator McCain wiped the mat with Ba Ba Barry.

I actually would trust this poll over most. Lizards are pretty honest and they can be very harsh critics, as well. They won't vote for McCain just because they'd rather see him win the election.

re: #1 ArmyWife

This is as scientific as any!

Who needs science when everyone's happy?

Vote for Barack Obama. Why? Because the media says he won!

MSM says BHO won. Taht means McCain won

McCain. He was crisp, specific, and aggressive without coming off as a "crank". Obama appeared to be backpedaling all night.

McCain
Joe the Plumber
Obama

in that order

PS: anybody hear that the World Series will be delayed due to BHO's commercial?

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/showc/167/6049069 IMHO

Ron Paul!

/sarc

Kraut says draw goes to Obama overwhelmingly ...... geez ....

Krauthammer: Obama won resoundingly.

Bizarro World.

Krauthhammer paid off?

I've pretty much had it with Krauthammer.

Plan on terrorists and marxists in the Lincoln bedroom

re: #11 JacksonTn

Kraut says draw goes to Obama overwhelmingly ...... geez ....

This was no Draw.

re: #8 Shug

McCain
Joe the Plumber
Obama

in that order

PS: anybody hear that the World Series will be delayed due to BHO's commercial?

Priorities, shug, priorities.
///

re: #6 witness

MSM says BHO won. Taht means McCain won

That's 1984 logic, but in these crazy times, probably accurate.

Barry got nervous, stuttered, and blinked a lot. He rambled. He did NOT look cool when he smirked, laughed nervously, and glowered.

Could I get in trouble for saying at the MSM sites, Barrack Obama was the favorite polled answer.

Krauthammer speaks.

Anybody else starting to get really irritated by his snootiness lately?

Facts vs Flash. Who won and who looks like he won?

Put Joe the Plumber is some ads

re: #19 Catttt

Barry got nervous, stuttered, and blinked a lot. He rambled. He did NOT look cool when he smirked, laughed nervously, and glowered.

He looked like a PUNK.

McCain looked like a leader.

You guys think Krauthammer is conservative? Not.

re: #21 Optimizer

Krauthammer speaks.

Anybody else starting to get really irritated by his snootiness lately?

Yes.

re: #14 Cartman

He hates McCain and as such is blinded by that.

re: #21 Optimizer

Krauthammer speaks.

Anybody else starting to get really irritated by his snootiness lately?

Lately?

What debate did Krauthammer watch? And why does his face remind me of Lord Voltmort?

Stand up Kraut. Let em see ya

re: #20 Mich-again

Could I get in trouble for saying at the MSM sites, Barrack Obama was the favorite polled answer.

Shhhhhhh!

We're all certain that other people will check in here, and have their vote changed!

/sarc

Kraut has really got a boner for BHO.

re: #18 JSK1121

MSM just wants the second black president since they think they will get more mileage out of viewers. Remember who their viewers are.

re: #15 DistantThunder

Plan on terrorists and marxists in the Lincoln bedroom

Think of the outrage of Ayers & his wife Bernadine Dohrn dining in the White House.

re: #30 Shug

That you, Joe? Does that mean I can relinquish the Obamabot mantle :-?

I hope that 527s and RNC will bring on the dirt on Obama .....cuz you know it is out there ..... you know the feds have it ....... and I am sick of people saying Obama is eloquent ....... Kraut ......

I heard that in Hawaii, they drive below the speed limit.
Is this true?

re: #30 Shug

Stand up Kraut. Let em see ya

Ouch. Who let Blowhard Biden register here?

re: #21 Optimizer

I'm speechless, was he watching the same debate? Obama kept backpedaling and sneering and stuttering.

Voted for Obama even though McCain did slightly better, it wasn't good enough to change the outcome of the election.

Pretend like you are an independent.
You don't really know Obama and don't really trust him.
But you think he will be better on the economy.

After this debate, you can safely vote for McCain, his economic plan was specific and thorough.

Screw it, I'm on Food Network HD.

F*cking love fest on FOX ...... Obama is a fraud ........ Wake the f*ck up ....

re: #21 Optimizer

Krauthammer speaks.

Anybody else starting to get really irritated by his snootiness lately?

I really hate him these days

I need a write-in slot.

re: #28 Cartman

Lately?

Well, before he at least didn't come off as sympathetic too, and admiring of, socialists. Not that I remember, anyway.

Hello all. After all this time I finally got in. First post.... At least now if Obama wins the office, they finish nationalizing the country and the commies take my computer they'll know I blogged with the best of 'em! I salute all of those who have come before.
To the debate, Obama annoys me. I would not have enjoyed his company in HS, College, or Starbucks. I don't handle whiners well.

The media are lying.

McCain wins on 11/4.

Sociopaths and manipulative used cars salesmen and lawyers are disarming. The average person cannot resist their charisma and charm. That's why they are notorious for scamming people.

We've all been scammed by Obama, some of us more than others.

McCain wins the debate but..... geez, I just don't see the poll numbers skyrocketing after this. But seriously, where was this McCain a few weeks/months ago?! I thought seniors usually did things early...

re: #37 FightingBack

I heard that in Hawaii, they drive below the speed limit.
Is this true?

If you drive too fast, you'll go off the island, into the ocean.

re: #40 rusty_armor

Voted for Obama even though McCain did slightly better, it wasn't good enough to change the outcome of the election.

So you voted that the guy who lost the debate won the debate.
Wow, how intelligent.

I think real people - not the elitists who are blinded by Barry - saw a different debate. Seriously.

And most people don't watch this talking heads crap anyway. The turn the TV off after the debate, if they watched at all.

Charles Krauthammer directed psychiatric research for the Carter Administration, and was a speechwriter for Walter Mondale, so he may not be as conservative as some of his recent writing might lead people to believe.

re: #34 opnion

Think of the outrage of Ayers & his wife Bernadine Dohrn dining in the White House.

They can plant a bomb with an 8-year timer.

Palin/Joe the Plumber 2012!

re: #40 rusty_armor

Voted for Obama even though McCain did slightly better, it wasn't good enough to change the outcome of the election.

You're such a loser. Voted for Obama even though McCain won? Get out of here asshole. Go post at HuffPO or Kos.

I just got home. Did McCain go after Obama re: Ayers?

a radio host here in Los Angeles just mentioned that Obama can be heard giggling when McCain brought up ACORN perpetrating the greatest voter fraud scams in history and asking his involvement with ACORN. He played it back. You could hear it....he GIGGLED.

He thinks voter fraud is funny?

How disgusting is THAT?

Joe the Plumber won the debate! McCain was awesome though.

re: #50 SWPaul

McCain wins the debate but..... geez, I just don't see the poll numbers skyrocketing after this. But seriously, where was this McCain a few weeks/months ago?! I thought seniors usually did things early...

It won't send his numbers soaring, but I think it will raise them.

re: #47 Slate

Hello all. After all this time I finally got in. First post.... At least now if Obama wins the office, they finish nationalizing the country and the commies take my computer they'll know I blogged with the best of 'em! I salute all of those who have come before.
To the debate, Obama annoys me. I would not have enjoyed his company in HS, College, or Starbucks. I don't handle whiners well.

Welcome ...... now did you bring the picture of Obama with the goat? ......

O.K fox news has jumped the shark. Obama made ridiculous faces and he looks Presidential? The fix is in even with Fox. While I agree that McCain could have done a better job of saying Palin was experienced enough to be President, over all he made Obama go on the defensive. I give up with the media. What did they see in Obama?

The comment of the night:

If you wanted to run against President Bush, you should have run 4 years ago!

re: #54 jaunte

Charles Krauthammer directed psychiatric research for the Carter Administration, and was a speechwriter for Walter Mondale, so he may not be as conservative as some of his recent writing might lead people to believe.

He's Doctor Strangelove.

"Mein Peanut Farmer, I can vahllllk!"

mccain clearly won this.
o sat there trying to act above it all as he awkwardly tried to deflected the blows mccain was visiting upon him.

re: #17 pink freud

Priorities, shug, priorities.
///

If BHO is so far ahead in reality, why does he need a 30 minute ad to get people to vote for him.

re: #50 SWPaul

McCain wins the debate but..... geez, I just don't see the poll numbers skyrocketing after this. But seriously, where was this McCain a few weeks/months ago?! I thought seniors usually did things early...

Ageist prick.

re: #45 macintush

I need a write-in slot.

If you do, you are objectively voting for Obama.

Much better than the last debate. Although after checking the various focus groups, I gotta wonder if they watched the same debate I just did-a wtf moment for sure.

re: #58 Macker

I just got home. Did McCain go after Obama re: Ayers?

Yes, he did! He hammered Obama on the issue.

re: #58 Macker

I just got home. Did McCain go after Obama re: Ayers?

McCain kicked ass.

re: #29 Outrider

What debate did Krauthammer watch? And why does his face remind me of Lord Voltmort?

It's the really long philtrum.

Voldemort didn't have a nose, so his philtrum looked extra long. Krauthammer's nose is so stuck in the air that his philtrum looks two inches long.

re: #63 nigella

O.K fox news has jumped the shark nuked the fridge. Obama made ridiculous faces and he looks Presidential? The fix is in even with Fox. While I agree that McCain could have done a better job of saying Palin was experienced enough to be President, over all he made Obama go on the defensive. I give up with the media. What did they see in Obama?

There, fixed that for ya!

re: #40 rusty_armor

Voted for Obama even though McCain did slightly better, it wasn't good enough to change the outcome of the election.

That's not what the poll asked.

re: #39 baxtrice

I'm speechless, was he watching the same debate? Obama kept backpedaling and sneering and stuttering.

McCain's finally standing up to Obama's lies and socialism, and Krauthammer wants to focus on debating style. Like this was a college sporting event, or something. "Earth to Krauthammer"!

re: #58 Macker

I just got home. Did McCain go after Obama re: Ayers?

I am where you are & trying to figure out what actually happened.

Allegedly, the undecideds are intellectual goldfish who won't make their choice until the instant before they punch the hole. If that's true, they shouldn't be allowed to vote. But you know they're probably just the sort who like to be fussed over.

The best Joe the Plumber in Hollywood history was Joe Pesci as Nicky from Royal Flush Plumbing in the Rodney movie, Easy Money. The cake, the cake..

re: #54 jaunte

Charles Krauthammer directed psychiatric research for the Carter Administration

Did he provide therapy for the crazed rabbit?

Joe the plumber says, "McCain or down the drain".

McCain did whip O's butt, regardless of what the pundits on Fox say. This will do it. MAKE SURE TO VOTE!

re: #42 Ward Cleaver

Screw it, I'm on Food Network HD.

During Obama administration tree bark recipes will be big.

re: #63 nigella

O.K fox news has jumped the shark. Obama made ridiculous faces and he looks Presidential? The fix is in even with Fox. While I agree that McCain could have done a better job of saying Palin was experienced enough to be President, over all he made Obama go on the defensive. I give up with the media. What did they see in Obama?

I stopped watching them awhile back. I watched the debates on C-SPAN.

McCain did exactly what the base wanted to see him do, so I think the base won.

And Joe the Plumber won too.

re: #58 Macker

The Mac is a man of his word! Yes he did. In fact, Obama was the one who kind of brought up the topic by being offended at "palling around with terrorists" remark. And McCain hit him back by briefly mentioning the T-shirts. Pretty good. It was disappointing that guns did not come up but abortion did.

re: #47 Slate

Welcome. If the beast wins, I hope we get to spend a little time together.

re: #70 Palandine

If you do, you are objectively voting for Obama.

I didn't think writing in "Palin" would hurt in this particular poll...

re: #76 Cartman

That's not what the poll asked.

Never argue with an idiot.

re: #79 Salem

Allegedly, the undecideds are intellectual goldfish who won't make their choice until the instant before they punch the hole. If that's true, they shouldn't be allowed to vote. But you know they're probably just the sort who like to be fussed over.

They must be petted and made to feel worthy.

Idiots.

re: #69 buzzsawmonkey

I hate to say it, man, but the sheer thought applied in, and required by, your post shows that Obama is well ahead in the home stretch. If McCain had done what he needed to do, it would be a simple matter.

Best line was "Senator Government".

re: #63 nigella

O.K fox news has jumped the shark. Obama made ridiculous faces and he looks Presidential? The fix is in even with Fox. While I agree that McCain could have done a better job of saying Palin was experienced enough to be President, over all he made Obama go on the defensive. I give up with the media. What did they see in Obama?

I cancelled my cable tV - goes off tomorrrow. Any news worth knowing I can get on the net. I was thinking I would miss Fox and I will miss Brit Hume but that 's all.

The "joe the plumber" thing will resonate with people.

Obama keeps saying its the "rich" that will be taxed into oblivion, but by talking to Joe he showed that it is just regular Americans who are going to pay out the nose.

Obama is going to lose.

Said this on the last thread, but I'll say it again:

The only people watching the pundits are political junkies.

Most Americans are sick of this election, and if they watched the debate, they turned it off afterwards. They're not interested in watching talking heads talk about politics- they're sick of it

Dolce Gabana.

re: #61 Dark_Falcon

It won't send his numbers soaring, but I think it will raise them.

Numbers don't have to soar; 1 or 2% does it. The pollsters have been over-polling democrats, and even then the Messiah can't sew it up. The media are lying.

McCain wins 11/4.

Per Zombie:

Believe your senses.

McCain won. He put out memes such as on ACORN (how much did you know, and when did you know it?), Ayers (you started your career in his living room), "Spread the wealth", "Joe the plumber" and other things people will remember and seek more info on.

I've seen web queries on ACORN voter fraud shoot up recently on political sites whose trackers I monitor.

Also see GOOGLE hottrends

[Link: www.google.com...]

Joe the Plumber is high up there!

re: #81 zombie

He advised Carter to adopt a "dry powder' approach.

re: #42 Ward Cleaver

Screw it, I'm on Food Network HD.

If Paula Deen is on, butter is on the menu, no matter what she cooks.

/watch your cholesterol

JOHN MCCAIN WON !

re: #62 JacksonTn

Goat drained of blood, dismembered and buried somewhat in a small field in Iowa, all pics burned. I alone escaped to tell the story.

Obama now sending Joe the Plumber check for $250K for his endorsement .... ad to follow .....

re: #64 Typicalwhitey

The comment of the night:

If you wanted to run against President Bush, you should have run 4 years ago!

IMHO that comes in second.
I thought it was when McCain said "Joe -- you're RICH!" (referring to Joe the plumber).

The more that likely McCain voters see of Obama, the more repulsive he appears.

I haven't even watched the debate yet but, in sticking with internet poll convention, I'm voting for my favorite guy.

++digg for McCain!

O.K. I guess I'm behind with the jumped the shark I guess it is now " nuked the fridge"? Either way I thought Obama looked snarly and had nothing to say in the 10000 words he used to answer every question!

re: #82 Ojoe

McCain or your money down the drain!

I'm betting that half the people in America would just as soon vote for Joe the Plumber's ass crack.

You know, if we take stock in what the media says here tonight, we might as well just give up. Even f'n Fox has conceded to The One. I'm not gonna fall for it. I think Mac can beat Obama in November. I'm not drinking the fuckin' kool aid. Sorry.

Google trends

[Link: www.google.com...]

joe the plumber

Hotness: Volcanic

Related searches:
joe the plumber seattle, joe wurzelbacher, joe the plumber obama, who is joe the plumber, joe plumber

Peak:
2 hours ago

This is not exactly news, because we already know Americans are morons.

Americans Flunk Simple 3-Question Survey

The funniest part to me is that only 44% of the BBC audience could identify Gordon Brown as the prime minister of Great Britain. And the article fails to mention that Rush Limbaugh's audience scored the highest (83%) on identifying the party that controls the House of Representatives, as well as doing very respectably on the other two questions.

re: #105 jwb7605

IMHO that comes in second.
I thought it was when McCain said "Joe -- you're RICH!" (referring to Joe the plumber).

Yeah that one was good too, I forgot about that one lol

re: #77 Optimizer

McCain's finally standing up to Obama's lies and socialism, and Krauthammer wants to focus on debating style. Like this was a college sporting event, or something. "Earth to Krauthammer"!

I'm beginning to think I'm permanantly residing in Crazytown (as Glenn Beck sez). Unless this is some strange plot by Rove to annoy Americans into voting against Obama. (now I know I am crazy -- :) )

Krauthammer is no conservative. Check out his admiration for European citizen disarmament.
I posted this in spinoffs a day or two ago, but it bears repeating.

re: #50 SWPaul

McCain wins the debate but..... geez, I just don't see the poll numbers skyrocketing after this. But seriously, where was this McCain a few weeks/months ago?! I thought seniors usually did things early...

Shut up, asshole.

re: #111 Cartman

You know, if we take stock in what the media says here tonight, we might as well just give up. Even f'n Fox has conceded to The One. I'm not gonna fall for it. I think Mac can beat Obama in November. I'm not drinking the fuckin' kool aid. Sorry.

One person's kool-aid, apparently, is another person's honest assessment.
Fox commentators are saying Obama is ahead, and McCain didn't do enough to knock him down.

You disagree?

re: #59 Stuck-in-CA

a radio host here in Los Angeles just mentioned that Obama can be heard giggling when McCain brought up ACORN perpetrating the greatest voter fraud scams in history and asking his involvement with ACORN. He played it back. You could hear it....he GIGGLED.

He thinks voter fraud is funny?

How disgusting is THAT?

Since BHO doesn't believe in the systems that have made this country great, and is in this for himself to start socialism, he is proud of ACORN.

Bill Kristol is now officially in the tank ....

Google trends on "Acorn voter fraud"
[Link: www.google.com...]

re: #61 Dark_Falcon

It won't send his numbers soaring, but I think it will raise them.

But his mention of Ayers and ACORN will force the mainstream media to talk about it (however whitewashed they make it) and it will be a smudge on the Messiah's robes.

re: #110 piehole

crack is addicting

I'm trying to give up dings but it doesn't seem to let me. Anyone who truthfully think McCain won I am giving virtual up dings!

The rest of the world rolls onward.

I'm outta here....gotta work tomorrow.

Nite all!

Who thinks the dems are going to find Joe the Plumber and pay him off to say the O is the one.

Fox News...Obama is Presidential.

re: #71 irongrampa

Much better than the last debate. Although after checking the various focus groups, I gotta wonder if they watched the same debate I just did-a wtf moment for sure.

A real big problem for focus groups is that they will read the cues given off by the moderator.

It is a natural and surprisingly powerful part of human nature to want to follow the leader and to fit in.

Group think is powerful. Slave think is commanding. We are ape "troop" thinkers and it is difficult to overcome.

What separates us from the animals is that some of us can think for ourselves. It has given humans a survival edge over every other creature on the planet, so much so that for our species the world is ours to possess.

re: #97 MandyManners

Dolce Gabana.

Did Obama promise designer clothing, too?

re: #30 Shug

Stand up Kraut. Let em see ya

God love ya', why do I watch/read/listen to your elitist eeyore-ish missives?

Elizabeth Dole is gonna lose NC?

Only Pluses?

re: #112 ErislDysnomia

Joe the volcanic plumber. I like it.

The side of the truck should say:

" Volcanic Pumbing Co."

Does it matter what Krauthammer or any of the other talking heads says about who won this debate? People are going to go into the voting booth and decide based on whatever information they have or conceptions of who they want to vote for, and that's it.

I could give a rat's ass what NRO thinks, what Krauthammer thinks, what Malkin, Hot Air, Matthews or Olbermann thinks. It doesn't even matter what Charles thinks or even what I think on the issue of who won the debate

They aren't choosing my vote and they aren't swaying it either.

I've read enough about Obama and McCain - and if you've been reading LGF long enough - you've read enough to know how to take a measure of both men.

Both men are flawed. One more seriously flawed than the other.

But one will be President. The other will not.

Carping over some pundit's punditry isn't going to improve McCain's chances of winning - getting down and dirty and making sure that people know enough about Obama's socialist ties, his leftist agenda that is out of touch with mainstream America - that's what is going to do it. All the carping does is get off message, which is to defeat Obama.

So, if you want to make sure that Obama goes down to defeat, here's what you have to do - if you know undecideds or people on the fence, show 'em the plumber. Show them how Obama can't be trusted on Israel. Show them how Obama's tax numbers don't add up. Show them how Obama's character and judgment can't be trusted - not when he surrounds himself with radicals and leftists - and it doesn't matter how old he was when Ayers carried out his terrorist attacks, he associated with the terrorist when he was old enough to have known better.

That's all that matters now. Any time wasted talking about the pundits is just that - wasted time.

/rant off.

Ya know, I missed the debate & I want to believe Lizards that say McCain did the deal, but I am watching FNC & they don't make it sound good.

re: #128 Tarkus289

Who thinks the dems are going to find Joe the Plumber and pay him off to say the O is the one.

i think i heard him on hannity today saying he would never vote for o.

Obama was all politician and wonk, McCain won this clearly. Where there a few points he could have brought up better? Sure, but overall it was McCain and I say that without ambivalence.

At the end on education he should have brought up Obama's Annenberg efforts that spent 150 million with zero results.

re: #118 Cognito

Yeah Cognito, I disagree

re: #121 JacksonTn

Bill Kristol is now officially in the tank ....

What does that mean?

That Kristol thinks Obama is ahead? Should he trot out there and lie and say something other than what he truly thinks? Or are you saying -- incredibly -- that Kristol is pushing for an Obama win?

"In the tank" apparently means nothing, now.

re: #118 Cognito

You and I are obviously hearing them say two different things.

re: #118 Cognito

One person's kool-aid, apparently, is another person's honest assessment.
Fox commentators are saying Obama is ahead, and McCain didn't do enough to knock him down.

You disagree?

I do and I will tell you why.
There are so many undecideds out there who Obama cannot seem to get.
Imo they are undecided because they don't want to vote for Obama but don't think that McCain will be that good on the economy.

Tonight, McCain showed that he understood the economy and I believe that will be enough to give him the win in November.

Obama looked like a smartass and he looked pissed off too tonight.

re: #130 Syrah

Did you you read Zombie's excellent post earlier?

On substance McCain wiped the floor with Obama, but Obama just blatantly avoids directly answering the questions or lies with such charm and the calm of a usedcar salesman selling you a lemon that many people who do not focus on issues, examine the facts, or look at the historical consequences of policy decisions, basically those that don't kick the tires and check the engine will view this debate as a draw. McCain's connecting of Obama's economic proposals to those of Pres. Hoover was dead on but over the head of the vast majority of voters.

My daughter came up with a good one, we were watching Fox after the debate and she got frustrated, she said the pundits were all just like lemmings and sheep, and they were following Obama off the cliff: In fact they were really Lemmingsheep, like weasels with wooly fur crawling toward the cliff braying Oba-aaa-aama! Oba-aaa-aama!

re: #124 Ojoe

So is LGF! Been trying to get on for 20 minutes! Who won! Dammit...didn't get to watch! Did Mac jump up and punch him in the face?

re: #129 ciaospirit

Fox News...Obama is Presidential.

Reprising the CNN Iraq play to maintain a newsgathering presence.

Joe the Plumber is the October Surprise.

He's a real American working class man that Americans can relate to and sympathize with.

Because he was mentioned so much in the debate, and even the msm follow-up at the end of the debate, I suspect we'll be seeing more Joe. Browkaw even declared him the winner.

Americans are going to go digging into info on this exchange with Joe Plumber, and it could have a very bad impact on 0bama's campaign.

re: #134 Noam Sayin'

Okay. Everything's back to normal.

Carry on...

re: #121 JacksonTn

Bill Kristol is now officially in the tank ....

In the toilet tank, no doubt. I've been ready to flush him out for some time...

re: #118 Cognito

One person's kool-aid, apparently, is another person's honest assessment.
Fox commentators are saying Obama is ahead, and McCain didn't do enough to knock him down.

You disagree?

I disagree. And the only poll that counts is the one on November 4th.

re: #136 lawhawk

Exactly. The pundits are whores.

Wow. I am so disgusted right now. How is it that a fucking basic communist only needs to show up, not whack off and drool and he wins? Really.

re: #136 lawhawk

Right On, Lawhawk

re: #141 Cognito

What does that mean?

That Kristol thinks Obama is ahead? Should he trot out there and lie and say something other than what he truly thinks? Or are you saying -- incredibly -- that Kristol is pushing for an Obama win?

"In the tank" apparently means nothing, now.

You ..... would know .....

re: #121 JacksonTn

Bill Kristol is now officially in the tank ....

can you believe all this!
its like they can't wait to get on board now because they all feel its over and they don't want to be the last guy that "didn't get it"

even Charles Krauthammer, and his lavish praise about how Obama is cool and self-contained. is that how low the bar is for president in his mind.
self-contained? what about the fact that he's a marxist and a phoney?

From the last thread...

Check this out... hilarious:
Joe the Plumber is My Homeboy

re: #123 Stuck-in-CA

But his mention of Ayers and ACORN will force the mainstream media to talk about it (however whitewashed they make it) and it will be a smudge on the Messiah's robes.

From your lips to God's ears.

I hope that SOMEBODY in the MSM has the clarity and courage to document how Obama lied tonight about Ayers and ACORN, and a few other things.

Charles, how about a one time only collection of all the polls to put Zombie's theory to the test.

A swarm to counter their polls.

The media is out of control and we are the silent majority.

Let us prove it one time to shut them up.

re: #137 opnion

Ya know, I missed the debate & I want to believe Lizards that say McCain did the deal, but I am watching FNC & they don't make it sound good.

McCain was better than I had hoped.

Its OK.

McCain is not Reagan. Reagan set a difficult standard for other Republicans to meet.

McCain was the best that McCain could be.

re: #78 opnion

I am where you are & trying to figure out what actually happened.

McCain's best debate hands down because he was more aggressive and he hit some good points. Less boring. And he brought up ACORN and AYERS finally.

Hillary just got her $12,000,000 paid off .....

re: #86 Sharmuta

McCain did exactly what the base wanted to see him do, so I think the base won.

And Joe the Plumber won too.

Absolutely. Mac picked up a few more points amongst the base tonight with his lower taxes and anti-abortion stances. Plus, he provided a bit of a catharsis for those who have been aching to see Obama taken down a notch in the debates.

This should make a few more people over at Hot Air and MM happy.

re: #157 JacksonTn

You ..... would know .....

Nyuk, nyuk.

Powerful argument.

I feel absolutely awful being one on the small minority voting for Obama as the winner of this debate. It's simple honesty; I hope the rest of you guys are right.

re: #150 Sharmuta

Joe the Plumber.

re: #151 Noam Sayin'

Okay. Everything's back to normal.

Carry on...

'Sup, pup?

Shillary on FOX praising Obama. Are they going to have Gullianni on?

Pundits are giving it to Obama. No surprise there! Was listening briefly to the Gov. of Maryland (D). Thought Obama won hands down. Idiot.

McCain just doesn't get it.

He continues to talk to 'intelligent people'. John, Intelligent People have already decided against Obama !

McCain didn't gain ONE SINGLE voter from these debates. He lost voters if you ask me. He'd have been better off not going.

But, it's all going to be in the turn out. How many Obama voters will be too stoned to go to the polls, and how many Against-Obama voters will be pissed off enough to go out and vote. I doubt there are many pure Pro-McCain voters.

Joe the Plumber just said he thinks Obama tax plan will hurt him ...... I hear you brother as another small biz owner ......

re: #128 Tarkus289

Who thinks the dems are going to find Joe the Plumber and pay him off to say the O is the one.

I just heard Katie Couric on the radio say "for the record, Joe the plumber remains undecided."

I thought johnny Mac was goin ta burst out laughing a couple times!
.....................I did! LOLOLOLOL

re: #148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Seems like Mr. Attack Jet Pilot still knows his stuff.
A-4 Skyhawk, McCain's jet.

BBL

re: #146 buzzsawmonkey

Well with all due respect to them, they are acting with their emotions and desire to be part of an exciting group, not thinking with their heads about the consequences of an Obama presidency. That rag Jesse Jackson went on yesterday was a candid moment in a campaign filled with lies, if you ask me. I truely believe that Obama will abandon Israel if the push comes. Leftists have always loved the Palis and always will.

Anyone else having trouble getting the page at
[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]
to load?

About time to turn in here. Since the press decided on their reaction to this debate about maybe...what?...a week ago?...I'd suggest everyone check out Zombie's excellent essay that got posted today. Took me back to school with that one, but I must admit it checks with everything they taught me in Industrial Psych. Still two weeks to go. It's not as over as some would have us believe. Fight on!

well then if you don't trust your friends, go find a copy and watch for your self

re: #137 opnion

Ya know, I missed the debate & I want to believe Lizards that say McCain did the deal, but I am watching FNC & they don't make it sound good.

re: #160 stuiec

From your lips to God's ears.

I hope that SOMEBODY in the MSM has the clarity and courage to document how Obama lied tonight about Ayers and ACORN, and a few other things.

A few?

re: #150 Sharmuta

Joe the Plumber is the October Surprise.

He's a real American working class man that Americans can relate to and sympathize with.

Because he was mentioned so much in the debate, and even the msm follow-up at the end of the debate, I suspect we'll be seeing more Joe. Browkaw even declared him the winner.

Americans are going to go digging into info on this exchange with Joe Plumber, and it could have a very bad impact on 0bama's campaign.

obama really squirmed and frowned every time joe the plumber was mentioned. mccain needs to keep hitting this on the campaign trail. what o said to joe really shows his commie colors.

fox just said they contacted Joe and he thinks Zero's tax plan will hurt him but won't say who he is voting for. He's scared to death of Zero's goon squads led by acorn and ayers.

re: #150 Sharmuta

Joe the Plumber is the October Surprise.

He's a real American working class man that Americans can relate to and sympathize with.

Because he was mentioned so much in the debate, and even the msm follow-up at the end of the debate, I suspect we'll be seeing more Joe. Browkaw even declared him the winner.

Americans are going to go digging into info on this exchange with Joe Plumber, and it could have a very bad impact on 0bama's campaign.

The Drudge headline is "JOE THE PLUMBER'S ELECTION"

Joe is a giant.

re: #153 Ward Cleaver

I disagree. And the only poll that counts is the one on November 4th.

Sure, and I'll be pulling the lever for McCain. But that doesn't mean I should play make-believe in the meantime.

Obama is ahead. Better to face it, than run away with fingers in ears and tongue wagging.

I only got one question for tonight's debate:

Why did CSPAN show the crowd with the echos of the candidates in the background instead of going to a split screen showing the crowds reactions with the candidates feed nice and clear?

re: #88 Pullus Iulius

Welcome. If the beast wins, I hope we get to spend a little time together.

If they win control of all 3 branches...expect there to be a fascist crackdown on internet communities and talk radio.

Regardless of who we (probably biased) people think, the real answer on "who won" will appear in about 48 hours after various and sundry revelations have sunk in.

I think the debate was like the hot sauce I make. You eat a bite and say "no big deal". Five seconds after it goes down, you say "holy cr*p!". On that basis, I think McCain won on points, and McCain will win overall in three days.

I do note that Hillary (talking to Chris Wallace) disagrees with me, as I type this.

AND, what the heck happened to the <strike> button? I had to enter the code manually.

re: #166 Cognito

Nyuk, nyuk.

Powerful argument.

Because ...... I have not been here long ..... but I have seen enough to know I do not want to verbally spar with you ........ not worth the keystrokes ....

From now on, let's all refer to O as
Senator Government.

Start a trend!

/never mind, it's too long

re: #137 opnion

Ya know, I missed the debate & I want to believe Lizards that say McCain did the deal, but I am watching FNC & they don't make it sound good.

They are covering their asses. They think Obama's going to win and they don't want to get shut down when the Fairness Doctrine is reinstated. They also want to keep getting invited to the right cocktail parties. Ignore them.

re: #97 MandyManners

Dolce Gabana.

Nice threads, DG.

Let's put Sarah in a 1/2 hour commercial..

re: #172 cincinnati_kid37

Just did a bong-hit, huh?

I wanna buy Joe the Plumber a beer!

re: #172 cincinnati_kid37

McCain just doesn't get it.

He continues to talk to 'intelligent people'. John, Intelligent People have already decided against Obama !

McCain didn't gain ONE SINGLE voter from these debates. He lost voters if you ask me. He'd have been better off not going.

But, it's all going to be in the turn out. How many Obama voters will be too stoned to go to the polls, and how many Against-Obama voters will be pissed off enough to go out and vote. I doubt there are many pure Pro-McCain voters.

Hey...call Frank Luntz...he needs you for his UNDECIDED voter group. Please...go back and fellate Markos...

I especially liked when McCain said that Joe Biden is generally a good guy but that he has been wrong on many issues of foreign policy and national defense (supposedly his strong suits).

re: #8 Shug

PS: anybody hear that the World Series will be delayed due to BHO's commercial?

Yes and what could backfire about a candidate forcing a delay of one of the biggest sporting events in the country? Millions of pissed off baseball fans would never take out their frustrations on the idjot yammering over the first 30 minutes of their favorite game

re: #159 devil in baggy pants

From the last thread...

Check this out... hilarious:
Joe the Plumber is My Homeboy

WTF?

Do you have permission from this American?

re: #29 Outrider

What debate did Krauthammer watch? And why does his face remind me of Lord Voltmort?

Krauthammer also gave the debates to John Kerry. His opinion is meaningless. And don't make fun of the physically challenged guy, you bad person, you.

/sarc

re: #170 ciaospirit

Shillary on FOX praising Obama. Are they going to have Gullianni on?

FOX is over, and, of course, no rebuttal to Hillary. The show ended with Hillary saying that Obama sealed the deal.

Puke.

McCain is a putz worthy of the Bob Dole award for passive campaigning.

Listening to all the talking heads and a few Eeyores in here listing what McCain "needed" to do? There is absolutely no way anyone could have competed against the chosen one with the conditions as laid out by the pundits.

Obama merely had to show up and "look presidential" and not lose his cool is what all these people are saying. I got a news flash. He didn't look presidential with all the sneering, smirking, and snarky laughing. He lost his cool. Again, he had rambling, disjointed sentences and did not answer the questions as asked.

Call Obama the winner if you desire. You know better. And you will know even more on the night of 4 Nov.

if McCain did not bring up Wright
he is toast

hopefully the Religican Party too

time for a new party - one that stands up and fights (back)

but I better not say "revolution", eh ?

re: #189 JacksonTn

Sounds good.

Joe Wurzelbacher, famous plumber:
[Link: familysecuritymatters.org...]

re: #161 freedomplow

Charles, how about a one time only collection of all the polls to put Zombie's theory to the test.

A swarm to counter their polls.

The media is out of control and we are the silent majority.

Let us prove it one time to shut them up.

We will have that opportunity on November 4th.

re: #169 MandyManners

'Sup, pup?

I had a fully rendered LGF thread, except there were only Plus-ding icons visible. All back to normal after a reload.

Pup... That's cute.

Did McCain have a Shakespeare moment? Brevity is the soul of wit.

This has been a really weird election year.

I am convinced that Senator McCain is going to win. I am convinced the polls are hopelessly screwed up and meaningless. This, from a recent "Campaign Spot" NRO article (not linking, as I can't get on their site - got this in a cache):

You have McCain winning Republicans, 89 to 7. You have Obama winning Democrats, 91 to 5. (I'm a bit skeptical, but for now, for the sake of argument, I'll accept your assertion that PUMAs are extinct.) You have McCain winning independents by 2 percent, 45 to 43.

And this adds up to an 11-percent Obama lead in your latest poll.

We are to believe that McCain is losing among women by 9 percent, but losing among men by 14 percent.

We are to believe that the Hillary voters are lining up behind Obama, 88 percent to 7 percent.

We are to believe Obama is winning 18 to 34-year-olds by 10 percent, but he is winning 45 to 64-year-olds by 16 percent.

We are to believe the white vote is just about even, 46 percent for Obama, 47 percent for McCain.

And we are to believe the electorate in November will be 27 percent Republican, 40 percent Democrat, and 30 percent Independent.

If the over/under on the partisan breakdown on Election Day is 13 percent, I'd take the under. I wonder if anybody in Vegas would take that wager...

re: #152 Quad Mocha Matti

In the toilet tank, no doubt. I've been ready to flush him out for some time...

Kristol's another elitist snob. Country club, blueblood type.

re: #178 jaunte

The corner has been down all night. I can get to the home page but none of the links will load for me. I believe they need a server upgrade...

Vote Obama!

/he's got a pretty mouth with lovely blue lips

re: #37 FightingBack

I heard that in Hawaii, they drive below the speed limit.
Is this true?

No. Just the tourists do because they're all so damn lost and can't read the street signs!

re: #201 ciaospirit

FOX is over, and, of course, no rebuttal to Hillary. The show ended with Hillary saying that Obama sealed the deal.

Puke.

Hillary has been bought off - some cabinet position - what do you bet?

Well done lizards! - to steal the catch line, - you magnificent bastards.

Couldn't watch because seeing BHO makes me puke. Sorry. But you guys brought it to life in a way that was remarkable, inspiring and amazingly fair given what we collectively think of Hussein.

Bravo Charles.

And I agree with Sharmuta - most people are sick and tired of the bobble-heads who defy what we see and hear for ourselves.

In all 3 debates BHO on style is smooth as glass. But that comes easy when you are lying about who you are and what you intend to actually do. McCain does not have the oratory, never did and never will. BHO has been created for this event by his Socialist Educators who trained him for such a debate. It is up to the American People to see through BHO's apparent charm. They either get it or they don't. BHO will have a svengali hypnosis over those who are not informed - the "sheeple" I believe they have been called...

As for who won? It all depends on how you scale it. On bullsh--, BHO hands down. He is the Master of that art. On sincerity, McCain. But it does not matter. Americans have made up their minds. We have either won this thing prior to tonight or we din't. I am of the belief that their are more anti-BHO supporters than McCain supporters per se. The supporters for McCain are mostly ardent Palin supporters. That said, I think we will be fine.

re: #204 Adrenalyn

STFU

Romney just said he saw a poll of UNDECIDEDS and they went THREE TO ONE For McCAIN

EAT IT!

I watched all the debates very carefully. The things that keep hitting me in the face are that every problem can find enough funding to be solved by BO; that JM speaks far more directly to concrete real-world solutions; that Obama's chameleon-like ability to modify his stances based upon the reality of the moment make him far more dangerous as a national leader; that McCain truly believes that he will be an agent of earthshaking change in Washington; that Obama's rhetoric of working to bring people together is simply platitudes designed to get him elected.

I know who the candidate is who is clearly more worthy, but I think that so many people are so brainwashed that it may not make any difference. But election day may be another matter.

re: #130 Syrah

I generally agree with you here, but would just add that this focus group may well have been registered independent, but they were far from undecided going in.

re: #199 MandyManners

WTF?

Do you have permission from this American?

I didn't make the shirt... I just saw it when I was browsing over there. There are many Joe products already.

re: #136 lawhawk

You write some great stuff, lawhawk.

re: #146 buzzsawmonkey

If I'm harshing everyone's mellow, I'm sorry. I've just spent two days seeing how many members of my supposedly Orthodox congregation are solidly prObama, and how unhinged they get if you even try to suggest that there may be solid reasons not to vote for him.

Fair enough, but that's not a net gain for the Messiah. Wouldn't they have normally voted Democrat anyway? He can't get moderates, he's just incapable of it.

My heart's not troubled. McCain wins 11/4.

re: #185 Cognito

Obama is ahead - the polls are all over the place by how much. With that much range, it's safe to say that the internals and massaging of the numbers renders 'em useless except to point out a trend - Obama is ahead.

So, with all that in mind, redouble the efforts to ensure that the polls are wrong and that McCain ends up winning the poll that counts. Use the underdog position as incentive to push even harder.

re: #181 reloadingisnotahobby

A few?

Let's not overload the electorate's short attention spans. A Top Ten list of Obama's bare-faced lies would be a good start, especially if it includes why each of those lies exposes him as a danger to America's economy and security.

re: #202 PeaceAtAllCosts

McCain is a putz worthy of the Bob Dole award for passive campaigning.

FUCK YOU.

re: #171 Maui Girl

Pundits are giving it to Obama. No surprise there! Was listening briefly to the Gov. of Maryland (D). Thought Obama won hands down. Idiot.

Depends on who you view the audience as. I believe for the purpose of deciding who won the debate, you must focus on 'undecided voters', you know Stupid People.

Obama wins the stupid people.

I loved : "I am not President Bush".

re: #63 nigella

I give up with the media. What did they see in Obama?

Self preservation. They don't want an Obama Administration Minister of Truth to yank their FCC license for "misleading comments" or an Obama IRS Minister of Voluntary Patriotic Contributions digging into their personal or corporate tax returns.

" It was just a contradiction of terms, what he said: he doesn’t want to punish me but he wants to redistribute my wealth. And what I mean when I say my wealth, I mean the collective. Eventually – I mean, just to sound a little silly here, but you need rich people. I mean, who are you going to work for?"
--Joe the Plumber

re: #216 Colin Nelson

Thanks!

re: #93 irongrampa

Best line was "Senator Government".

I gave you an uptick for that one! It was a prophetic slip.

re: #215 DistantThunder

Hillary has been bought off - some cabinet position - what do you bet?

Or Supreme Court. Which would be devastating to our country. Much worse than her being President.

re: #150 Sharmuta

Joe the Plumber is the October Surprise.

He's a real American working class man that Americans can relate to and sympathize with.

Because he was mentioned so much in the debate, and even the msm follow-up at the end of the debate, I suspect we'll be seeing more Joe. Browkaw even declared him the winner.

Americans are going to go digging into info on this exchange with Joe Plumber, and it could have a very bad impact on 0bama's campaign.

We, Joe Plumber, LGF and I need to scream out to the Big Government Pushers, especially Mr. and Mrs. Obama:

"GET YOUR OWN DAMN PIE!"

re: #116 maddogg

Krauthammer is no conservative. Check out his admiration for European citizen disarmament.
I posted this in spinoffs a day or two ago, but it bears repeating.

He's a pro-gun control metrocon.

He doesn't like our moose huntin' mama from Alaska.

I think that picture of her firing the M4 carbine made him piddle his pants.

re: #211 Ward Cleaver

Kristol's another elitist snob. Country club, blueblood type.

Hahahaha!

Bill Kristol? The Jewish Bill Kristol, right?

(And boooooooo, elite people!)

re: #122 ErislDysnomia

From the other thread...and my screen is still freezing...I can't post

re: #157 erisldysnomia

What does that mean?

Sorry for the delay...my screen keeps freezing.

Simple answer to your question...watch FOX.

Most of the panel thought Obama won...the focus group thought Obama won and then Krauthammer just came on and declared Obama the winner.

Hell, Bill Kristol just said Obama was more presidential.

Did that answer your question?

Now they just finished with Hillary calling “O” the winner.

WTF FOX?

re: #99 ErislDysnomia

Per Zombie:

Believe your senses.

McCain won. He put out memes such as on ACORN (how much did you know, and when did you know it?), Ayers (you started your career in his living room), "Spread the wealth", "Joe the plumber" and other things people will remember and seek more info on.

!

McCain hit big concepts and Obama didn't. You are right..people will remember those concepts. What memorable did Obama say? Only that someone in Palin's audience called him a terrorist...which isn't a good thing for them to remember for Obama!

2 favorite moments:

1. McCain called him Senator Government
2. Obama jumping in to cut McCain off from mentioning "those t-shirts out there" (the Palin is a ____ ones).

re: #195 Noam Sayin'

I wanna buy Joe the Plumber a beer!

Let's get him signed up on LGF.

re: #185 Cognito

I gotta hand it to ya, Cog. When I really, really need a good healthy dose of optimism, I always turn to your posts.

/f'n not

eek

Joe the Plumber makes Reuters!

They try to make me vote Obama
And I said "NO NO NO"!

re: #228 cincinnati_kid37

You assume stupid people want to pay more taxes. I think even stupid people don't, nor do I think stupid people are the only ones watching this debate.

re: #201 ciaospirit

FOX is over, and, of course, no rebuttal to Hillary. The show ended with Hillary saying that Obama sealed the deal.

Puke.

Krauthammer also ranked on Reagan, he is a great writer who sees to many essentials, but he sucks at judging debates.

I keep wondering if Barry is sleeping on the proverbial couch these days.

re: #237 Cognito

Hahahaha!

Bill Kristol? The Jewish Bill Kristol, right?

(And boooooooo, elite people!)

Irving Kristol's kid. Which makes him something of a Beltway Blueblood.

re: #225 lawhawk

Yep.

re: #129 ciaospirit

Fox News...Obama is Presidential.

GAAACCKKKK!

re: #204 Adrenalyn

if McCain did not bring up Wright
he is toast

hopefully the Religican Party too

time for a new party - one that stands up and fights (back)

but I better not say "revolution", eh ?

go ron paul you say?

re: #215 DistantThunder

Hillary has been bought off - some cabinet position - what do you bet?

So has Fox.

I will vote for McCain but what I am about to write will seem strange.

TO me there are very good reasons to not like McCain. Some that come to my mind:

Immigration Policy
Mortgage Bailout proposal
McCain-Feingold
Climate Change
Pro-Life stance

There are also some really crappy reasons not to like McCain:

He's old
He's cranky
He's stiff (er um maybe you should have all of your shit busted up over a five year period -- might change your mind on that one)
He's white
He's a Republican.

The most ludicrous of all is his supposed allegiance to Bush. If anyone knew anything about the nearly two decades of antagonism that McCain and both Bushes traded during various internecine GOP ideological battles you would surely change your mind. Bush II stabbed him in the back HARD in the NC primaries.

Wow!
Did Charles give the crew the night off?

re: #231 jaunte
Totally agree. I get so frustrated hearing big O talk about taxing the rich. Who the fuck is going to have the money to give folks a job after Obama takes it all so he can give it to people who don't pay any taxes to begin with. This is so incredibly dangerous, setting up a kept class that feeds off the tax paying members of society. Recipe for hard times.

I suspect there is some guy named Mohammed standing behind Krauthammer threatening to unplug his ventilator. Sorry.

re: #223 Ward Cleaver

Thanks.

"There’s a lot of things I wish McCain would say. As far as this, yes, I would like him to speak. Not so much about small businesses, but just people in general that make this money. It’s not up to them to help America, I mean – let me rephrase that. It’s not – they shouldn’t be taxed more because they’ve succeeded. That’s envy and jealousy. Get off your butt and go work. Don’t sit there and expect the government to give it to you. So I wouldn’t mind him speaking on it like that. I know he couldn’t say it probably like that because that’d turn a lot of people off. But it just – yeah, I guess I would like him to speak about that and a bunch of other things. I’d like to hear him talk about immigration and what he plans on doing about that and with our borders. I mean, there’s a lot of things that haven’t even been addressed in the last two debates."
---Joe Wurzelbacher (the plumber)
[Link: familysecuritymatters.org...]

re: #242 Cartman

I gotta hand it to ya, Cog. When I really, really need a good healthy dose of optimism, I always turn to your posts.

/f'n not

I'm not interested in optimism. I'm interested in facts.

re: #202 PeaceAtAllCosts

McCain is a putz worthy of the Bob Dole award for passive campaigning.

Go piss up a rope.

re: #257 sojerofgod

Return to feudalism.

Senator Government already getting out there ...... let's continue to push it .......

re: #165 Intrepid

This should make a few more people over at Hot Air and MM happy.

I won't hold my breath on those folks.

Also kudos to Bob Schieffer for asking the questions that opened the door to Obama's weak spots.

First time I've been able to get in for about 20 minutes.

How many hamsters died?