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Open | Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 9:44:17 pm PDT
Behold the hippopotamus!
We laugh at how he looks to us,
And yet in moments dank and grim,
I wonder how we look to him.
— Ogden Nash
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Open | Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 9:44:17 pm PDT
Behold the hippopotamus!
We laugh at how he looks to us,
And yet in moments dank and grim,
I wonder how we look to him.
— Ogden Nash
1466 comments
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BlueCanuck Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:45:18pm |
Whew, thank goodness that last thread was getting long. Good evening all, night shift finally punching in.
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Wyatt Earp Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:45:40pm |
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nigella Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:46:13pm |
I'm drained! Honestly thought McCain won this one. The MSM disagrees. Shocked? No......
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jacksontn Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:47:03pm |
Joe the Plumber can kick Senator Government's ass .......
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Wyatt Earp Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:47:14pm |
re: #5 nigella
I'm drained! Honestly thought McCain won this one. The MSM disagrees. Shocked? No......
Fear not, the MSM would disagree that Teddy Roosevelt was a great President.
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Cognito Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:47:19pm |
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nigella Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:48:43pm |
I loved the part where McCain said I'm not Bush and if you wanted to run against him you should have run 4 years ago!
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CIA Reject Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:49:01pm |
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Griffon Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:49:38pm |
I had company and didn't get to listen closely to the debate. I haven't figured out all these Senator Government comments. Did McCain call Obama Senator Government or vice versa?
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Wyatt Earp Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:49:50pm |
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Sharmuta Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:49:54pm |
re: #11 nigella
I loved the part where McCain said I'm not Bush and if you wanted to run against him you should have run 4 years ago!
That was awesome, and I thought I heard an audible gasp from the audience.
Anyone else hear that?
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Syrah Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:49:59pm |
re: #4 Sharmuta
Do NOT give in to defeatism.
Defeat Defeatism!
Send McCain & Palin a check Lizards!
How much is victory worth to you?
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opnion Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:50:00pm |
Oh this is good, an apologist for Obama, from the Chicago Sun Times on with Greta.
He says that Obama did not launch his career in Ayers living room.
No it was a Ramada Inn & the Ayers coffee was three days later.
Ok, isn't that a difference without meaning?
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JacksonTn Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:50:04pm |
re: #7 Wyatt Earp
Fear not, the MSM would disagree that Teddy Roosevelt was a great President.
Didn't Joe Biden already do something like that .... oh, no, that was the tv and FDR ....... oh, well ...... hair plugs too deep ......
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CIA Reject Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:50:30pm |
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jaunte Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:50:47pm |
re: #15 Sharmuta
Yes, the audience broke the silence pledge for that one.
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CheDub Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:50:56pm |
Considering hippos are responsible for more attacks on humans that crocs in Africa, it appears we either look tasty (doubtful since they're vegetarians) or like a credible threat.
Oh, was that rhetorical?
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Wyatt Earp Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:51:05pm |
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RTLM Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:51:18pm |
Barack Hussein Obama - Man from Four fathers.
(Obama,Wright,Ayers, Farrakhan,Pfleger)
And one crazy uncle.
(Jackson)
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Badge of Kaffir Pride Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:51:24pm |
re: #13 Griffon
I had company and didn't get to listen closely to the debate. I haven't figured out all these Senator Government comments. Did McCain call Obama Senator Government or vice versa?
McCain had this great moment when his mouth didn't move as fast as his mind did and blurted out "Senator Government" whilst speaking of Obama.
/I think it's a tag line to take to the bank.
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logboy Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:51:34pm |
Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
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freedomplow Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:51:37pm |
The MSM is out of control.
Never seen such a disgusting display of partisanship.
Way worse than 4 years ago.
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empills Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:51:54pm |
Anyone here know the status of the federal lawsuit filed against Obama and the DNC?
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jorline Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:52:17pm |
I posted this earlier in a fast moving thread.
Obama said he was for wind and geothermal energy.
All we need to do is hook a hose up to his mouth and ass and the energy problem is solved.
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nigella Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:52:26pm |
Yeah, he is skinny.... All the fat people of American unite! We don't want any skinny person running the USA!.... OK, but it was worth a try. We don't seem to get any of the "smart" elite people on our side. I'm sure there is a whole lot more fat " people.....
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Wyatt Earp Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:52:34pm |
re: #25 logboy
Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
Had that movie been made in today's uber-liberal Hollywood, Bluto would have probably said, "Was it over when George Bush bombed the World Trade Center?"
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krycek Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:52:40pm |
The two best lines of the night are "Joe the plumber" and "Senator Government". Gotta love it! Those two lines will resonate. They are also perfect for t shirts and bumper stickers.
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Sharmuta Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:53:11pm |
re: #27 empills
Are you talking about the ACORN/RICO investigation?
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CIA Reject Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:53:25pm |
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Griffon Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:53:32pm |
re: #24 Badge of Kaffir Pride
McCain had this great moment when his mouth didn't move as fast as his mind did and blurted out "Senator Government" whilst speaking of Obama.
/I think it's a tag line to take to the bank.
Thanks, Badge. That is a good name for him. I hope he doesn't move up in rank to President Government.
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CheDub Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:53:34pm |
re: #32 Wyatt Earp
Had that movie been made in today's uber-liberal Hollywood, Bluto would have probably said, "Was it over when George Bush bombed the World Trade Center?"
Or the Jooooooos
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Badge of Kaffir Pride Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:53:39pm |
re: #34 Sharmuta
Are you talking about the ACORN/RICO investigation?
I presume he means Berg v. Messiah.
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Palandine Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:53:56pm |
Behold the hippopotamus!
We laugh at how he looks to us,
And yet in moments dank and grim,
I wonder how we look to him.— Ogden Nash
Crunchy, and good with ketchup? ;)
Went into the bedroom to set the alarm clock, and saw the following above the crawl on Fox: "Obama: 'Bitter' remark was boneheaded."
3 weeks before the election, he's bringing up the bitter clingers and Murtha (*spit*) is talking about how racist his Pennsylvania constituents are. Yeah, sure this is a party that's winning. They're already spinning their loss. Obama must have some really disturbing internal polls.
The media are lying.
McCain wins 11/4.
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Wyatt Earp Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:54:05pm |
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Desert Dog Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:54:09pm |
re: #26 freedomplow
The MSM is out of control.
Never seen such a disgusting display of partisanship.
Way worse than 4 years ago.
They should be careful what they ask for. Obama may get in there and join the ranks of Jimmah as one of the weakest Presidents ever. I wonder how they will spin the slow and downward slide of the USA under BO? They are cannibals, they will turn on him and bring him down as hard and fast as they propped him up.
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freedomplow Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:54:14pm |
MSNBC and NBC should be classified as a 507.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:54:39pm |
Ah politicians. Even evil doers have some idea.
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Griffon Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:54:39pm |
re: #25 logboy
Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
Huh? Is this a joke?
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Desert Dog Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:54:45pm |
re: #31 nigella
Yeah, he is skinny.... All the fat people of American unite! We don't want any skinny person running the USA!.... OK, but it was worth a try. We don't seem to get any of the "smart" elite people on our side. I'm sure there is a whole lot more fat " people.....
I'm with you! But, can we stop at McDonalds first, I am starved!
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Badge of Kaffir Pride Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:54:48pm |
re: #42 freedomplow
MSNBC and NBC should be classified as a 507.
Some of us aren't American. I think I know what a 527 is but what's a 507?
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Oldasdirt Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:55:17pm |
re: #27 empills
Anyone here know the status of the federal lawsuit filed against Obama and the DNC?
Birth certificate?
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JacksonTn Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:55:22pm |
re: #23 RTLM
Barack Hussein Obama - Man from Four fathers.
(Obama,Wright,Ayers, Farrakhan,Pfleger)
And one crazy uncle.
(Jackson)
Hey ........ I ain't related to Senator Government ......
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Wyatt Earp Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:55:23pm |
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Badge of Kaffir Pride Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:55:33pm |
re: #44 Griffon
Huh? Is this a joke?
See Animal House.
/My interpretation skills for LGF are $15/hr. ;)
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opnion Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:56:07pm |
Unbelieveable campaign! Rampant voter fraud, MSM partisanship, Obama Campaign attempts at prior restraint from criticism, vandalism against those with McCain bumper stickers & yard signs. What would an Obama presidency be like?
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unclassifiable Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:56:29pm |
re: #15 Sharmuta
That's nothing. Wait for the gasp on 11/4/2008.
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CIA Reject Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:56:43pm |
re: #44 Griffon
Huh? Is this a joke?
McCain may be on "double secret probation" right now, but I think come election day we'll see BO playing the part of dean Wormer.
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SpartanWoman Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:56:48pm |
re: #52 opnion
Unbelieveable campaign! Rampant voter fraud, MSM partisanship, Obama Campaign attempts at prior restraint from criticism, vandalism against those with McCain bumper stickers & yard signs. What would an Obama presidency be like?
Stepping barefoot in horse shit?
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Desert Dog Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:57:16pm |
re: #55 SpartanWoman
Stepping barefoot in FRESH horse shit?
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freedomplow Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:57:17pm |
re: #46 Badge of Kaffir Pride
Some of us aren't American. I think I know what a 527 is but what's a 507?
You are right.
527.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:57:25pm |
re: #17 opnion
Oh this is good, an apologist for Obama, from the Chicago Sun Times on with Greta.
He says that Obama did not launch his career in Ayers living room.
No it was a Ramada Inn & the Ayers coffee was three days later.
Ok, isn't that a difference without meaning?
Would that be Lynn Sweet?
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Syrah Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:57:32pm |
And a goodnight to all the Lizards out there from me.
I am in serious violation of the Iron Fist rule at this moment. I am so smashed that if it were not for spell check I would not be able to post at all.
Send the McCain & Palin campaign some of your dough.
Ask yourself how much it is worth to you to have McCain as President instead of that zero.
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nigella Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:57:33pm |
Griffon, yeah, fat drunk and stupid is no way to live..... Also animal house ..... Dean Wormer. One of the most telling movies of all time..... Toga, Toga Toga......
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JacksonTn Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:58:35pm |
Go to Defendmyvote.com ....... help Ohio defend the votes ....
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Griffon Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:58:44pm |
re: #49 Wyatt Earp
Line from "Animal House."
Gosh, That's my 2nd favorite movie and I've seen it many times, but I don't remember that line. Good grief. Now I'll have to watch it again. It must have gone straight over my head!
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unclassifiable Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:58:48pm |
re: #25 logboy
Forget it, he's on a roll.
/I think that was what McCain's advisers said after the Senator Government "slip".
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Badge of Kaffir Pride Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:58:57pm |
re: #58 freedomplow
You are right.
527.
I didn't mean to be right since I was just curious. 527s are.... groups acting for a candidate, yes? Ref'd by tax code number?
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Killian Bundy Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:58:58pm |
Now remember, things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean. I mean plumb, mad-dog mean. 'Cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live nor win. That's just the way it is.
/Josey Wales
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SpartanWoman Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:59:07pm |
re: #53 unclassifiable
That's nothing. Wait for the gasp on 11/4/2008.
I wanna see Chris Matthews cry on the air
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Shug Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:59:24pm |
Hippo
Harpo
Oprah
Obama
Let's throw the whole bunch out
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BlueCanuck Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:59:28pm |
re: #55 SpartanWoman
Stepping barefoot in horse shit?
Nah, even the fresh stuff ain't that bad. Try cow meadow muffins. That's what it would be like.
/either fresh or a couple days old.
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Griffon Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:59:50pm |
re: #50 Badge of Kaffir Pride
See Animal House.
/My interpretation skills for LGF are $15/hr. ;)
ROFL, I must be a LOT slow tonight. I DO need an interpreter. Do you take Pay Pal?
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Wyatt Earp Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:59:52pm |
re: #71 SpartanWoman
I wanna see Chris Matthews cry on the air
There will be another chill going down his leg when he wets himself.
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Desert Dog Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:00:00pm |
re: #70 Killian Bundy
My fav Clint movie of all time.....Dirty Harry a close second
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SpartanWoman Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:00:22pm |
re: #73 BlueCanuck
Nah, even the fresh stuff ain't that bad. Try cow meadow muffins. That's what it would be like.
/either fresh or a couple days old.
I will concede that my experience with barnyard excrement is limited and yield to your experience
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Shug Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:00:56pm |
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Badge of Kaffir Pride Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:00:57pm |
re: #74 Griffon
ROFL, I must be a LOT slow tonight. I DO need an interpreter. Do you take Pay Pal?
Only for eBay refunds. :)
You missed the best half hour of this campaign in the start of the debate. McC was on fire. Like Rudy G kinda fire.
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JacksonTn Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:01:23pm |
re: #66 JacksonTn
Go to Defendmyvote.com ....... help Ohio defend the votes ....
Sign the petition ....... I heard of it from the ex Ohio Secretary of State ..... forget his name ....... black guy on fox
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Hapster Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:01:29pm |
re: #71 SpartanWoman
Man .. I wanna see mathews and olbershit with tingles up their ass. same with the CNN shills
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Palandine Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:01:40pm |
re: #75 Wyatt Earp
There will be another chill going down his leg when he wets himself.
I said it last night, and I'll say it again:
On election night, I'm going to drink a lot of Maker's Mark and pretend it's Keith Olberman's tears.
/They taste so sweet.
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rawmuse Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:01:56pm |
I noticed in the last thread some comments were about how the Republican party has come undone, blah, blah. Folks, when you are in party, you are in a diverse group of people that hopefully can get a political or economic objective accomplished. It is not necessary that you like or even approve of every single one of the people in the party. In fact, that is almost impossible. Don't even try.
Seriously, sometimes I think playing in bands all these years has helped me in this regard. I play music with people that I disagree with on almost every single issue, even with people with whom I have not spoken for years. But, to the listener, it all sounds like music and no one knows the difference.
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CIA Reject Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:01:57pm |
Well I have to bid all you good folks good night, but after tonight's debate I'm feeling much more confident that I'll wake up on November 5th to the MSM telling me that I'm a RACIST!
And that's a Good Thing...
Weet dreams all!
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Oldasdirt Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:02:19pm |
re: #70 Killian Bundy
/Josey Wales
My favorite western of all time.
"Looks like we whipped em agin Josey"
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Desert Dog Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:02:32pm |
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CheDub Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:02:57pm |
Well shortly after the debate I watched the classic Marx Brothers film "Duck Soup" and this scene jumped out as exactly how I would envision the 0bama administration.
And this is only Marx I would recommend being a fan of.
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nigella Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:03:39pm |
Griffon, just looked at your avatar. Do you have a wirehaired pointing griffon? We lost our german wirehaired pointer last Christmas We were considering a Pointing Griffon. My avatar is our English setter Nigel.
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Griffon Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:03:53pm |
re: #80 Badge of Kaffir Pride
Only for eBay refunds. :)
You missed the best half hour of this campaign in the start of the debate. McC was on fire. Like Rudy G kinda fire.
It's rerunning here now and I'm going to watch it again without company jabbering!
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Desert Dog Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:04:25pm |
re: #86 Oldasdirt
My favorite western of all time.
"Looks like we whipped em agin Josey"
"Everytime I get to liking someone, they ain't around long"
"I noticed that every time to get to disliking someone, they ain't around very long either"
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Killian Bundy Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:04:26pm |
re: #86 Oldasdirt
My favorite western of all time.
"Looks like we whipped em agin Josey"
/Are you gonna pull those pistols or whistle Dixie?
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Badge of Kaffir Pride Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:04:37pm |
re: #90 Griffon
It's rerunning here now and I'm going to watch it again without company jabbering!
Getcha popcorn ready 'cause it's gooooooooood.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:04:41pm |
re: #78 SpartanWoman
heh, not that much. But I did work on a small farm for a summer. Highlights of the day? Shoveling out the pigs stalls, and cleaning up after cows when they were finished being milked.
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OtisMyMan Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:05:27pm |
We're so happy to be back here at the Dexter Lake Club. We'd like to perform for you a tune entitled Shama Lama Obama Ding Dong. So Hit It!
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runrabbitrun Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:05:51pm |
test
(okay, can't resist a p.s.: agree with Dick Morris that Mac did very well, and has prepared a clear message to deliver to voters in the final stretch :) )
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BlueCanuck Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:06:54pm |
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Palandine Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:07:08pm |
/brother, can you spare a dime another trillion dollars?
I can't even begin to comprehend that figure, a trillion. Makes my head hurt.
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nigella Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:07:12pm |
otismyman..... otis my man..... shamalamading dong. Fawn was my fiancee she was killed in a tragic kiln accident.........
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Palandine Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:08:07pm |
re: #95 OtisMyMan
We're so happy to be back here at the Dexter Lake Club. We'd like to perform for you a tune entitled Shama Lama Obama Ding Dong. So Hit It!
With your nic, looks like you've been waiting a long time for that quote. ;)
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nigella Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:08:47pm |
OtisMyMan don't you know in Obama "speak" that's racist!?
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SurferDoc Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:09:13pm |
re: #70 Killian Bundy
/Josey Wales
Wow! I was just thinking "Are you gonna pull those pistols or whistle Dixie?"
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OtisMyMan Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:09:54pm |
re: #103 Palandine
With your nic, looks like you've been waiting a long time for that quote. ;)
All things come to those who waits. Can't wait for Mac to rock the house!
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Oldasdirt Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:10:22pm |
Past mid-night.But what a great night,,Take good care everyone. Nite
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OtisMyMan Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:12:06pm |
re: #104 nigella
OtisMyMan don't you know in Obama "speak" that's racist!?
Ahm jes tryin to speaks fluid Obonics.
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freedomplow Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:12:06pm |
The biggest thing that liberals and Obama supporters are pissed off about...
A free Iraq...
28 Million people are now free in Iraq under GWB and that drives liberals insane.
Liberals wanted to see a lost uncontrollable Iraq.
It's the truth and it is dishonorable to infinity.
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Palandine Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:12:11pm |
re: #100 Palandine
From wikipedia:
10^12
(1 000 000 000 000; 10004; short scale: one trillion; long scale: one billion)
ISO: tera- (T)
BioMed — Bacteria on the human body: the surface of the human body houses roughly 1012 bacteria.[1]
Mathematics: 1.1×1012 - The approximate number of known non-trivial zeros of Riemann zeta function as of August 2005.[4]
Mathematics — Known digits of pi: As of 2002, the number of known digits of pi was 1 241 100 000 000.
Marine biology: 3,500,000,000,000 - estimated population of fish in the ocean.
BioMed — Cells in the human body: the human body consists of roughly 1014 cells, of which only 1013 are human.[2][3] The remainder of the cells are bacteria, which mostly reside in the gastrointestinal tract, although the skin is also covered in bacteria.
Computing - MAC-48: 281,474,976,710,656 (248) possible unique physical addresses.
Mathematics: 953,467,954,114,363 is the largest known Motzkin prime.
Computing — magnetic storage: 1TB largest 3.5inch hard disk as of 2007.
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SpartanWoman Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:13:08pm |
re: #110 Fenway_Nation
So how did Ron Paul do in the polls?
Speaking of RP, a house near me that has been sporting a RP sign now wears a McCain Palin one. A reassuring sign of sorts
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JacksonTn Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:13:10pm |
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legalpad Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:13:37pm |
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CheDub Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:14:16pm |
re: #113 Palandine
3,500,000,000,000? Really? You should probably go count em all to make sure that's accurate ;)
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JeremiahRight Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:14:24pm |
here's one for the history buffs:
History repeats itself, The Panic of 1819
The panic of 1819 followed a period of high foreign demand for American farm goods and thus of exceptionally high prices for American farmers. The rising prices for farm goods had stimulated a land boom in the western United States. Fueled by speculative investments, land prices soared.
The availability of easy credit to settlers and speculators, from the government (under the land acts of 1800 and 1804), from state banks and wildcat banks, even for a time from the rechartered Bank of the United States, fueled the land boom. Beginning in 1819, however, new management at the national bank began tightening credit, calling in loans, and foreclosing mortgages. This precipitated a series of failures by state banks, and the result was a financial panic. Six years of depression followed.
I came across this in a book I was reading tonight and the last part sounded eerily familiar
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SpartanWoman Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:14:48pm |
re: #115 JacksonTn
AA vote for Senator Government --- 88 - 10 ...... shocked
/
Me too actually I'd have expected 98% at least. 88% means Obama lost, imo
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JacksonTn Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:14:54pm |
That claim Senator Government made about "kill him" in Scranton has been found to be ........... false ........... I don't have link ........ I will look for it
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legalpad Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:15:05pm |
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Killian Bundy Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:15:08pm |
re: #105 SurferDoc
Wow! I was just thinking "Are you gonna pull those pistols or whistle Dixie?"
/ I didn't surrender, but they took my horse and made him surrender, they have him pulling a wagon up in Kansas I bet.
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SpartanWoman Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:15:23pm |
re: #120 JacksonTn
That claim Senator Government made about "kill him" in Scranton has been found to be ........... false ........... I don't have link ........ I will look for it
There's a link on HotAir
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Desert Dog Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:15:45pm |
re: #118 JeremiahRight
Was there an inexperienced empty suit loaded up with nothing but pure ambition and hubris that came in to save the day?
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Badge of Kaffir Pride Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:15:49pm |
re: #113 Palandine
From wikipedia:
10^12
(1 000 000 000 000; 10004; short scale: one trillion; long scale: one billion)ISO: tera- (T)
BioMed — Bacteria on the human body: the surface of the human body houses roughly 1012 bacteria.[1]
Mathematics: 1.1×1012 - The approximate number of known non-trivial zeros of Riemann zeta function as of August 2005.[4]
Mathematics — Known digits of pi: As of 2002, the number of known digits of pi was 1 241 100 000 000.
Marine biology: 3,500,000,000,000 - estimated population of fish in the ocean.
BioMed — Cells in the human body: the human body consists of roughly 1014 cells, of which only 1013 are human.[2][3] The remainder of the cells are bacteria, which mostly reside in the gastrointestinal tract, although the skin is also covered in bacteria.
Computing - MAC-48: 281,474,976,710,656 (248) possible unique physical addresses.
Mathematics: 953,467,954,114,363 is the largest known Motzkin prime.
Computing — magnetic storage: 1TB largest 3.5inch hard disk as of 2007.
Elections: Amount of trees killed refuting Senator Government's ideas on government policy. Also, the number of times voting present.
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JacksonTn Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:16:01pm |
re: #120 JacksonTn
That claim Senator Government made about "kill him" in Scranton has been found to be ........... false ........... I don't have link ........ I will look for it
Link ......[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]
Another lie .........
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Sharmuta Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:16:07pm |
Conceding to defeat before the battle is even waged is always going to put you in the losers column.
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legalpad Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:16:15pm |
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SurferDoc Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:16:46pm |
re: #115 JacksonTn
AA vote for Senator Government --- 88 - 10 ...... shocked
/
Here's to the brave ten!
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Killian Bundy Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:17:24pm |
Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.
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SurferDoc Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:17:39pm |
re: #122 Killian Bundy
/ I didn't surrender, but they took my horse and made him surrender, they have him pulling a wagon up in Kansas I bet.
"Your words of death have iron in them for all Comanches to see..."
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Badge of Kaffir Pride Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:17:46pm |
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JeremiahRight Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:17:50pm |
re: #105 SurferDoc
Wow! I was just thinking "Are you gonna pull those pistols or whistle Dixie?"
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JacksonTn Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:18:00pm |
Defend my vote Petition ...... please sign ......
[Link: defendmyvote.com...]
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soccerdad Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:18:23pm |
Missed the debate.....sounds like y'all think Johnny Mac won. Good thing.. he needed to show well.
GO PHILLIES!
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nigella Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:18:32pm |
legalpad, thanks for the positive take. I've read those and agree. Just tonight I thought at least fox would think McCain won. I'm being enirely honest in telling you that McCain was my bottom choice. I liked Guiliani and Thompson . That being said I decided to back McCain when he got the nomination.I guess I don't need the media to verify who I think is the better of the two candidates.
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JeremiahRight Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:19:04pm |
re: #125 Desert Dog
Was there an inexperienced empty suit loaded up with nothing but pure ambition and hubris that came in to save the day?
well, next President was Andrew Jackson, so...
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Palandine Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:19:39pm |
re: #128 Sharmuta
Conceding to defeat before the battle is even waged is always going to put you in the losers column.
To quote BabbaZee (and some other author ;) ):
"I bid you STAND, Men of the West!"
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CheDub Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:20:55pm |
re: #118 JeremiahRight
Would it be a book worth reading? If so, what's the title? If not (and it sounds like a dry academic history book), well... uhh...nevermind.
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TheMatrix31 Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:21:04pm |
I bet the Senator Government thing is going to generate buzz like the "That One" garbage did.
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unclassifiable Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:21:09pm |
re: #100 Palandine
When was the last time you heard a broker whisper "Blue Horse Shoe Loves Norway"?
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Killian Bundy Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:22:18pm |
re: #132 SurferDoc
"Your words of death have iron in them for all Comanches to see..."
/that's true, I ain't promising you nothing extra. I'm just giving you life and you're giving me life . . .
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least Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:22:39pm |
Posted this on an earlier thread -- but everyone had moved on to the debate threads while I was composing ("It sure is quiet out there." "Yeah! Too quiet.") I wanted to get all y'alls take on what I observed. And to ask, have any of you folks noted similar stuff?
= = = = = = = = = =
Last night, I was to meet some associates @ Borders Books.
There was a shrine (disguised as a book display) to the Obamessiah right at the entryway -- it featured at least 10 different books about BO. In the tweaked view of Borders, these were "balanced" by 1 copy of the McCain autobiography.
My curiosity piqued, I went further into the store to look at a display titled "Know Before You Vote" -- it featured a plethora of moonbat screeds about how bad America is and how bad Republicans are and . . . well . . . it was if the Kossacks were in charge of displays at Borders. There was, however 1 title that featured Governor Palin -- from an author who'd fit right in at the HuffPo or DU.
So I looked around some more -- the leftward slant was all over the store.
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Timbre Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:23:13pm |
Come on, Americans, Stick It Out. Don't swallow the poison , your pride, your anger, or the lies of the Left. Spit it out!
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Fenway_Nation Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:23:22pm |
re: #112 freedomplow
Back in the day, that would've made for some good movies.
Nowadays....well....when was the last time you heard 'good movie' and 'Iraq war' in the same sentence?
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kansas Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:24:28pm |
re: #27 empills
Anyone here know the status of the federal lawsuit filed against Obama and the DNC?
Yeah, they're gonna wait till he's inaugurated to look into that.////
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SurferDoc Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:25:03pm |
re: #145 Killian Bundy
/that's true, I ain't promising you nothing extra. I'm just giving you life and you're giving me life . . .
In that scene, the Indian Chief's facial expression says' "This white man is a dangerous nut. I better not piss him off!"
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JeremiahRight Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:25:09pm |
re: #142 CheDub
definitely a dry academic history book, not worth reading. Makes me want to have my brains smashed out by a slice of lemon wrapped around a large gold brick :)
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gman Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:25:27pm |
Just started looking into the CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll.
Opinion Research Corp. is ran by (InfoGroup) old friends of the Dems
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Badge of Kaffir Pride Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:26:30pm |
re: #151 JeremiahRight
definitely a dry academic history book, not worth reading. Makes me want to have my brains smashed out by a slice of lemon wrapped around a large gold brick :)
Just so long as you know the support groups for after. Or chase it with some Ol' Janx Spirit!
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Killian Bundy Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:28:35pm |
re: #148 Fenway_Nation
Nowadays....well....when was the last time you heard 'good movie' and 'Iraq war' in the same sentence?
Generation Kill is good, accurate to a fault, and disturbing.
/based on a true story with some of the participants even playing themselves
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kansas Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:28:45pm |
re: #54 CIA Reject
McCain may be on "double secret probation" right now, but I think come election day we'll see BO playing the part of dean Wormer.
So is Otter gonna bang Dean Wormer's wife?
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Lorenska Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:28:57pm |
re: #120 JacksonTn
Here's the exact link:
[Link: www.timesleader.com...]
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CheDub Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:29:30pm |
re: #151 JeremiahRight
Just as I feared. Just remember that reading through it is for a good cause. Well, unless Obama wins, then you're better off dropping out and letting the govmnt take care of you, but I digress...
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HHC 2-2 SCR Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:29:50pm |
I got up at 3am to watch the debate, I had to walk away after the mediator asked them to be specific on what spending they would cut. Obama was up first, he danced around it per usual. Then it was McCain's turn, the moderator interrupted him and told him to be specific, so Mac rattled off a bunch of things he would cut. Right then and there Obama lost the debate to me and Scheifer proved beyond any doubt that MSM is in the tank for Obama. Or maybe I was just groggy and didn't hear all the useless programs Obama said he would cut so he didn't need to be told to be specific.
On the upside my daughter just told me they're learning the song American Tears in music class and are trying to get approval to sing it at the welcome home ceremony. She also gets to share in the honor, that's how she describes it, of saying the Pledge of Allegiance over the school intercom.
After hearing MSM report on the debate I was disheartened, then my daughter gave me hope that all is not lost.
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legalpad Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:30:13pm |
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Odinga Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:30:17pm |
Perhaps the best news for McCain is the rating he received from independent voters. Among respondents not identified with either major political party, McCain was judged tonight’s winner, 51-42 percent.
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Badge of Kaffir Pride Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:30:55pm |
re: #156 JeremiahRight
you mean that sinful Old Janx Spirit?
"For my head will fly, my tongue will lie, my eyes will fry and I may die"
/Theme song from the Zero's campaign.
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Killer Tomato Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:31:53pm |
re: #128 Sharmuta
OK - got the sticker done.
Kind of cheated though.
I bought a package of 'magnet sheets' (from Staples) - they're 8 1/2 x 11 sheets of refrigerator magnet material.
Took my McCain bumper sticker, and stuck it on the sheet. Trimmed around the sticker, leaving a border.
I drive about 130 miles a day - a lot of people see my car.
I'll put the sticker on the car when I leave the house, and remove it once the car is parked - lessening the chance of it being keyed while sitting unattended somewhere, but still broadcasting the message "you're not alone" when I'm on the road.
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JacksonTn Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:32:10pm |
Ya think ............
[Link: www.politico.com...]
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Scion9 Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:32:45pm |
re: #114 SpartanWoman
Speaking of RP, a house near me that has been sporting a RP sign now wears a McCain Palin one. A reassuring sign of sorts
Yeah, I thought that Obama had a lock on the deranged and maniacal, but if McCain is starting to win even them over...
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wolfie Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:33:20pm |
re: #163 Killer Tomato
That's a great idea, Killer.
I think I'll steal it!
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Lorenska Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:34:17pm |
re: #159 HHC 2-2 SCR
You took the words right out of my mouth...I spend the debates screaming at my TV, the moderators are ALL so obviously giving Obama every advantage and bowing to his every word. Everytime McCain says something, even when Obama has already gone first, Obama has to jump in at the end with just "one last thing on that topic," so that he always gets the last word - it's not supposed to work that way, but the moderators have let it happen every time, so that McCain always gets called a liar and then told it's time to move on. I think McCain made some good points tonight, but he needs to scream so much louder about the Ayers/Wright issue and the socialism that Obama wants to impose, it's like these topics are just by-the-ways rather than the MAIN problems with Obama.
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Killer Tomato Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:34:43pm |
re: #166 wolfie
You're welcome to it - pass it around!
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JeremiahRight Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:37:00pm |
re: #137 nigella
re: #160 legalpad
quick un-scientific poll to late-night lizards:
who was your pick in the primaries?
mine was Romney
(in the CA primary, only days before he dropped out of the race during his spectacular speech at CPAC)
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Price_of_Peace Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:38:22pm |
After hearing Obama talk so much about distributing the wealth so it will "fair" to everyone, my wife asked if he would distribute half of his campaign money and half of his votes to the McCain ticket. Not holding my breath.
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unclassifiable Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:39:11pm |
Good night lizards.
Truly I feel better than the last debate.
The revolution will not be televised.
It will be live-blogged.
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JacksonTn Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:39:16pm |
JOE THE PLUMBER VIDEO FROM CAVUTO:
You have to watch .......... this may take Senator Government down ...
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SurferDoc Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:39:28pm |
re: #169 JeremiahRight
re: #160 legalpad
quick un-scientific poll to late-night lizards:
who was your pick in the primaries?mine was Romney
(in the CA primary, only days before he dropped out of the race during his spectacular speech at CPAC)
Fred--but he disappointed me so fast with his lack of drive!
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CheDub Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:41:27pm |
re: #169 JeremiahRight
Mine was McCain. I was a supporter of his in 2000 as well. I didn't think he had a snowball's chance in hell of winning the primary and I was obviously (yet, happily) wrong. It'll be nice to see him come from behind again to win one in a few weeks.
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JacksonTn Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:41:29pm |
Charles ...... can you do a thread on Joe the Plumber tomorrow ......
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Lorenska Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:41:59pm |
re: #171 Price_of_Peace
Yeah, considering how little he gives to charity - and Biden gives less than 1% of his income! - it never fails to amaze me how quick he is to offer to give everyone else's money away. And the fact that no one sees this for the flat out socialism that it is just frightens me - are Americans really this misinformed? Or just this gullible? I mean, are his wealth reallocation policies even constitutional?
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legalpad Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:43:35pm |
Last thought on optimism:
I hear some talk that Obama won the debate, Obama is going to win, etc., but here's the thing: Practical optimism is more fun. Practical, meaning that it does allow you to drop your guard, but you think you are going to win. In combat, it has been recommended "Do not anticipate the outcome of a fight." Why? Because you are too busy getting ready to flinch, or the equivalent. It distracts you from your productivity, your focus, your perception, it drains your energy. That is why "defeatism" in any form, is self-fulfilling. Focus on winning, and only winning. That includes defense. If you do lose, it will not be your fault, and then you can focus on your new mode of fighting in the Resistance. And you will be as focused in that fight as you were in the previous one, because that is your habit. You are not like the interpreter on the stairs in Band of Brothers.
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Badge of Kaffir Pride Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:44:18pm |
re: #173 JacksonTn
JOE THE PLUMBER VIDEO FROM CAVUTO:
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
You have to watch .......... this may take Senator Government down ...
Now I understand why McC was all over this guy this week.
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krycek Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:45:08pm |
Tell the gift shop to stock "Senator Government Sucks" bumper stickers
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Killian Bundy Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:45:26pm |
re: #148 Fenway_Nation
Nowadays....well....when was the last time you heard 'good movie' and 'Iraq war' in the same sentence?
You also need to watch Bravo Two Zero
/a very famous true story from GWI
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JeremiahRight Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:45:31pm |
re: #169 JeremiahRight
it's not that I don't support McCain, because I do 100%, I was just trying to plumb the depths of nocturnal lizard ideology. So far I have 3 responses from 212 logged in...
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CheDub Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:45:35pm |
Tis time to say goodnight as I depart to the land of slumber. Good night fellow Lizards!
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lostlakehiker Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:45:46pm |
Just a thought...any living creature is in some way not ridiculous. It is, after all, a survivor. Most species that ever existed are long since extinct. Now, consider the hippo. It sits there in the mud, eyes above the water and maybe nostrils. Crocodiles swim and slither in the vicinity. Why do they leave the hippo be?
Because it's fat like a weight lifter is fat. Because its funny pairs of peg teeth are plenty sturdy enough to paper-punch right through a croc's hide, and they're driven by massive jaw muscles. Because you don't want to make a hippo mad, in short.
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Scion9 Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:46:03pm |
re: #146 least
The leftist slant isn't at Borders, it is at the publishing companies. Regnery is really the only publisher that will do 'right-wing' books, which is just a trickle in comparison to the vastness of the rest of the industry. There are books published as counter-points to the leftist flood, but only a few from notable authors and pundits make their way up the bestseller lists, while authors like Naomi Klein are actually mandatory reading on college campuses.
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Gus 802 Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:46:16pm |
re: #163 Killer Tomato
Sad that it comes to that. I live in Ground Zero, Obamaland. I would put the sticker on but I just don't trust the "Party of Peace" Democrats around here. I know how anarchists, krunchies, and old demented hippies can get especially with their history of violence.
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capitalist piglet Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:46:25pm |
I was just watching this again, and when McCain brings up ACORN and is quite seriously talking about it tearing at the "fabric" of society (not sure what his exact words were), Obama broadly smiles, then actually starts laughing. There is an audible chuckle.
I guess it's just me, but I think that's a big mistake on Obama's part. He looks like a punk, laughing off the concerns of a statesman.
I hope they use it in an ad about ACORN. (I half wish McCain would have asked him what was so damned funny about voter fraud.)
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realwest Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:47:35pm |
re: #15 Sharmuta
I don't think I heard a gasp, but Mom and I both heard a moderate smattering of clapping hands!
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wolfie Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:47:44pm |
re: #183 JeremiahRight
I supported Ronald Reagan.
I figure he would cut heavily into the Democrats' traditional lock on the dead vote.
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Desert Dog Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:47:58pm |
re: #183 JeremiahRight
I really wanted Rudy....but he was already gone when AZ voted. So, I went with McCain.
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Desert Dog Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:48:23pm |
re: #190 TheMatrix31
Joe is the one we have been waiting for
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JacksonTn Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:49:16pm |
re: #195 Desert Dog
Joe is the one we have been waiting for
Isn't it always the regular guy ...... that is what Senator Government does not understand .....
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legalpad Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:49:34pm |
re: #178 legalpad
Last thought on optimism:
I hear some talk that Obama won the debate, Obama is going to win, etc., but here's the thing: Practical optimism is more fun. Practical, meaning that it does not allow you to drop your guard, but you think you are going to win. In combat, it has been recommended "Do not anticipate the outcome of a fight." Why? Because you are too busy getting ready to flinch, or the equivalent. It distracts you from your productivity, your focus, your perception, it drains your energy. That is why "defeatism" in any form, is self-fulfilling. Focus on winning, and only winning. That includes defense. If you do lose, it will not be your fault, and then you can focus on your new mode of fighting in the Resistance. And you will be as focused in that fight as you were in the previous one, because that is your habit. You are not like the interpreter on the stairs in Band of Brothers.
Damn late night proofreading.
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realwest Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:49:51pm |
re: #17 opnion
From the Chicago Sun Times? Oh yeah, that's believable, but either way you're right - it don't mean diddly - Obama started in Ayers' living room. He did that for a reason: Obama belongs in Ayers (and his ever so charming wife Bernadine Dhorn's) living room.
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Killer Tomato Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:50:45pm |
re: #188 Gus 802
I don't know if I'd call it sad, but I know what you mean. Pathetic, disgusting, frightening...
Anyway, I drive through The People's Republic of Massachusetts every day. There are still cars with Kerry/Edwards stickers on them, but surprising few Obama ones - they're conspicuous because they're almost rare. Not sure what's up, but it's certainly strange.
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rancher Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:51:12pm |
re: #177 Lorenska
...And the fact that no one sees this for the flat out socialism that it is just frightens me - are Americans really this misinformed? Or just this gullible? I mean, are his wealth reallocation policies even constitutional?
Yes, yes, and sadly, yes.
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Price_of_Peace Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:51:32pm |
re: #183 JeremiahRight
I too was for Fred and felt the same lack of resolve, so looked at Romney. I think Palin made McCain's ticket acceptable.
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Fenway_Nation Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:51:52pm |
re: #154 Killian Bundy
I've heard good things about earlier (but more obscure) documentaries like Occupation: Dreamland or Gunner Palace. Apparently neither one is really agenda driven, more of a Rorschach test for the individual viewer.
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realwest Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:51:56pm |
re: #41 Desert Dog Nah, they'll just blame Bush and it'll work for about two years and then that's it, they'll eat him alive.
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nigella Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:52:13pm |
all your Joes they belong to us.... Obama campaign sarc/
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Price_of_Peace Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:52:29pm |
re: #193 wolfie
I supported Ronald Reagan.
I figure he would cut heavily into the Democrats' traditional lock on the dead vote.
lol....Good one.
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empills Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:52:42pm |
AHHH i am outnumbered at work everyone thinks Obama won and that McCain is a moron. I wish the clock would move faster befor my head explodes.
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Killian Bundy Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:53:27pm |
re: #196 JacksonTn
Isn't it always the regular guy ...... that is what Senator Government does not understand .....
/you know, between Plumber Joe and Senator Government and Lord President For Life Obama's absolute pathological inability to not prevaricate, we might just have enough time left to squeak out the needed headway
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Desert Dog Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:54:24pm |
re: #196 JacksonTn
Obama did not know how to handle the simple fact his policies have consequences. I am sure the ideas sound really great at cocktail parties with MoveOn.org and Mr. Soros, or when he and his 300 advisers are crowded around the "Round Table of Camelot" back at BOHQ. But, when someone who will actually be harmed by his policies puts him in a position he cannot wriggle out of or explain away.....that is priceless.....THANK YOU Joe, you may have turned this election.
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gman Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:54:48pm |
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empills Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:55:29pm |
Joe the plumber will flush Obama's campaign down the crapper
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nigella Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:55:55pm |
One problem with Joe ..... he didn't say who he backs.... The highest bidder?
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Gus 802 Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:56:34pm |
re: #199 Killer Tomato
That is kind of strange because here we have both: Kerry stickers and nauseating glut Obama stickers. We get some Mass people moving here. Lots of new LA people. When I first moved here it was Texas folks. Which is why we turned purple in Colorado.
I have an uncle, aunt, and cousin in Mass. The uncle is an old Westinghouse engineer (retired) that last I heard leaned right -- back to supporting Reagan.
But the Kerry stickers are very typical around here. Along with the "angelic figure" Obama stickers. Gives me ulcers.
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stuiec Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:57:12pm |
re: #4 Sharmuta
Do NOT give in to defeatism.
If you can't give in to defeatism, what CAN you give in to?
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OtisMyMan Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:57:43pm |
re: #199 Killer Tomato
I don't know if I'd call it sad, but I know what you mean. Pathetic, disgusting, frightening...
Anyway, I drive through The People's Republic of Massachusetts every day. There are still cars with Kerry/Edwards stickers on them, but surprising few Obama ones - they're conspicuous because they're almost rare. Not sure what's up, but it's certainly strange.
Spoke with some folks in Moonbat Minneapolis in August. They are hardcore Dems. Politics came up and they said: "We just can't get excited about this years election." My translation: They can't bring themselves to vote for Obama. This view may be more widespread than we can possibly know given the unbelievable bias in the deadstream media. I found it very interesting.
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legalpad Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:57:44pm |
Last comment tonight-
I love this "Senator Government" term we got from the debate!
good night folks-
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nigella Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:58:36pm |
Here in my neck of the woods in California, I still see old Kucinich stickers from 2004. The rest are all Obama... Every other car, Not surprised in this area.
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Killian Bundy Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:58:48pm |
re: #202 Fenway_Nation
I've heard good things about earlier (but more obscure) documentaries like Occupation: Dreamland or Gunner Palace. Apparently neither one is really agenda driven, more of a Rorschach test for the individual viewer.
/Gunner Palace is a straight up documentary, it's home movies on film, I'll have to look into the other one
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JacksonTn Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:59:17pm |
re: #212 nigella
One problem with Joe ..... he didn't say who he backs.... The highest bidder?
Did you see the video?........ Joe the Plumber does not strike me as that kind of guy .......
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Desert Dog Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:00:19pm |
re: #217 nigella
Here in my neck of the woods in California, I still see old Kucinich stickers from 2004. The rest are all Obama... Every other car, Not surprised in this area.
All Hybrids too, yes?
with a COEXIST, Imagine World Peace or a 01.20.09 bumper sticker?
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JacksonTn Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:00:39pm |
Good Night Lizards ........... tomorrow the fight is on ........
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stuiec Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:00:53pm |
re: #17 opnion
Oh this is good, an apologist for Obama, from the Chicago Sun Times on with Greta.
He says that Obama did not launch his career in Ayers living room.
No it was a Ramada Inn & the Ayers coffee was three days later.
Ok, isn't that a difference without meaning?
It's actually confirmation of the point of McCain's criticism. It confirms that Obama was in Ayers's and Dohrn's living room, right at the outset of his political career. I wonder if the Ayers kaffeeklatsch was Obama's first-ever political fundraising event, or first-ever meet-and-greet? That is, something qualitatively different from the Ramada event.
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wolfie Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:01:01pm |
I am (slightly) encouraged that there are actually several McCain stickers on the cars parked at the campus where I teach. I'd say the ratio of Obama to McCain stickers is certainly no more than 2 to 1.
True, it's not exactly Berkeley, but.............
Oh. I am of course excepting the faculty parking lot from my informal study. No McCain stickers there.
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nigella Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:01:02pm |
Jackson Tn I did see it but why was he at an Obama rally? I read he hasn't made his mind up about who he backs.
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TheMatrix31 Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:01:39pm |
First words on the debate story on My13 News ---
"John McCain gets feisty"
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nigella Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:02:10pm |
Desertdog, hybrids, old polluting Volvo's, and Subaru's..
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realwest Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:02:17pm |
re: #214 stuiec
NOTHING. You can't give in to anything or anyone where principles are concerned. Not even once. IF you do, you might wind up being a politician.
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realwest Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:03:18pm |
Well all y'all it's been ah, interesting tonight as usual.
But I need my sleep so I'm off to bed.
I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.
Good night, all.
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Desert Dog Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:03:36pm |
re: #228 realwest
NOTHING. You can't give in to anything or anyone where principles are concerned. Not even once. IF you do, you might wind up being a politician.
We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France,
we shall fight on the seas and oceans,
we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be,
we shall fight on the beaches,
we shall fight on the landing grounds,
we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
we shall fight in the hills;
we shall never surrender....
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TheMatrix31 Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:03:55pm |
Did Obama really "exempt" small businesses? I can already see people pointing to that as "proof" of Obama clowning McCain.
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RTLM Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:04:06pm |
I'm trying to list all the Countries Obama has either lived in or visited.
In no particular order, Indonesia, Germany, Russia, Ukraine, and Azerbaijan, Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Kuwait, Kenya, and South Africa.
Am I missing any?
Has he ever been to the U.K., Japan, Mexico, South America?
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JacksonTn Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:04:08pm |
re: #225 nigella
Jackson Tn I did see it but why was he at an Obama rally? I read he hasn't made his mind up about who he backs.
Okay ...... my last post ...... Obama was knocking on doors in Joe the Plumber neighborhold ....... you can see the houses in the background of the video ...... Joe the Plumber even references the houses in the video ........
We will win ........
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nigella Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:05:14pm |
Jackson Tn. Thanks for the info.... I too think we will win. Sweet dreams.
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Lorenska Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:06:05pm |
re: #200 rancher
I knew it....I was just hoping that maybe I had missed an amendment or something that said, "Oh, and if, in 200+ years, some yahoo comes along and wants to change our basic, fundamental system of being rewarded for hard work, he must immediately be shipped to the nearest deserted island and left to redistribute the wealth there."
And #196, jacksontn, you're SOO right - it all sounds so rosy and warm and fuzzy, let's just all hold hands and SHARE, isn't that what we learn in kindergarten? Oh, but wait -if I have to share mine with him, then I have less for me, which means I have less for my family and my business, which means I fire people, which means they have less, which means they don't buy as much from the guy making pizzas down the street, which means he can't buy a new oven, so the guy who makes the doors for the ovens can't send his kid to college....hmmm, where, exactly, is the "good for everyone" part?
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Palandine Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:07:32pm |
re: #169 JeremiahRight
re: #160 legalpad
quick un-scientific poll to late-night lizards:
who was your pick in the primaries?mine was Romney
(in the CA primary, only days before he dropped out of the race during his spectacular speech at CPAC)
Fred!
Then Rudy!
Then Romney.
McCain was #4
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Lorenska Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:07:39pm |
re: #217 nigella
Interesting, are you north or south CA? I'm south, but in a tiny sliver right by Edwards AFB, so I'm in a little pocket of sanity...but even here, 10 miles from a military base, someone put up a sign that says "Impeach the Idiot." Charming.
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Throbert McGee Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:08:23pm |
Speaking of Joes (such as the Plumber), the other evening I frittered away 20 minutes or so doing some Googling po-russki, just to see if "Joe Six Pack" and "Hockey Mom" had made into Russian-language coverage of elections -- whether on Russian-American sites, or .il sites aimed at Russian-speaking Jews, or in Russia proper.
Couldn't find any references trying to explain "Joe Six Pack" for rooskies, but "Hockey Mom" HAS been picked up by the Russian press... maybe because it's a lot simpler to translate. (It's хоккейн& #1072;я мамочка, hokkéinaya mámotchka)
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pat Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:08:42pm |
Behold the hippopotamus!
We laugh at how he looks to us,
I believe this beast may kill more people than any other in Africa. A telling metaphor for those who think they vote for reconciliation and get confrontation.
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Spirit93 Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:08:56pm |
re: #206 empills
Zombie had a great essay up earlier (Zombie: The Left's Big Blunder) about among other things group think, and how some people will pretend to go along with things they don't believe, and some will actually change their beliefs because of group pressure. Regardless, congratulations on being one of the few true independent.
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nigella Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:09:10pm |
Lorenska North 50 miles north of san francisco in the most liberal bastion in California.
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SurferDoc Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:09:15pm |
re: #240 Lorenska
Interesting, are you north or south CA? I'm south, but in a tiny sliver right by Edwards AFB, so I'm in a little pocket of sanity...but even here, 10 miles from a military base, someone put up a sign that says "Impeach the Idiot." Charming.
I drive by Edwa all the time. Next time I will wave!
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rancher Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:09:32pm |
re: #199 Killer Tomato
I heard someone on Rush commenting that last election there were Kerry stickers all over his blue collar neighborhood. This year hardly any.
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JeremiahRight Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:09:35pm |
re: #240 Lorenska
Interesting, are you north or south CA? I'm south, but in a tiny sliver right by Edwards AFB, so I'm in a little pocket of sanity...but even here, 10 miles from a military base, someone put up a sign that says "Impeach the Idiot." Charming.
so they want President Cheney? Dumb-ass impeach Bush crowd doesn't understand what that would mean
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Meremortal Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:09:59pm |
Bin lurkin' around. Quick drive-by and off to bed.
As near as I can figure, Subaru wagons come from the factory with Kerry stickers.
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Killian Bundy Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:10:22pm |
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Desert Dog Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:11:23pm |
re: #249 Meremortal
Bin lurkin' around. Quick drive-by and off to bed.
As near as I can figure, Subaru wagons come from the factory with Kerry stickers.
And usually pre-installed with smug asshole drivers too......but not always
(they are great snow cars though)
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Lorenska Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:11:39pm |
re: #233 TheMatrix31
Did Obama really "exempt" small businesses? I can already see people pointing to that as "proof" of Obama clowning McCain.
I was screaming at the TV for McCain to ask Obama if he was going to be the one to define 'small' vs. 'large' businesses, like he gets to define who's wealthy at $200K. And wishing he would say, "that's still a business that ends up passing their costs on to their customers or firing people because you're forcing them to add an expense, it doesn't matter how big the business is, we all pay for it in the end."
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neocon hippie Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:12:43pm |
Nothing but Obama stickers in Berkeley-Oakland-SF.
Saw one McCain sign in Albany, a small city just north of Berkeley.
I was for Rudy, voted for Mitt in CA primary after Rudy dropped out. McCain is #3.
Anybody But Obama.
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Colonel Panik Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:13:22pm |
Bitter Klingers, Unite!
You have nothing to loose but your summer dresses and your M-1 Garands!
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Meremortal Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:13:36pm |
re: #251 Desert Dog
And usually pre-installed with smug asshole drivers too......but not always
(they are great snow cars though)
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Yeah, I'm thinking about getting one, the one with the hot motor. My future is going to involve an increase in winter-time mountain driving.
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logboy Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:14:25pm |
re: #218 Killian Bundy
Search around and you'll find some Iraq documentaries. Gunner Palace, This is War, Alpha Company: Iraq Diary, Baghdad ER, etc.
If you're looking for Tom Clancy bravado BS, you can shove it up your a$$. Some of us actually went to Iraq. War is not a movie, no matter what light you cast it in.
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Killer Tomato Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:14:45pm |
re: #246 rancher
Something is definitely up.
There's a contractor that comes into our office frequently - basic L.O.S.T. guy (Left Over Sixties Type) - wears a baseball hat with 1.20.09 on the front. He's been strangely quiet since the convention.
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Desert Dog Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:14:45pm |
re: #257 Meremortal
If you ski, you can't go wrong with one. I grew up in Denver and saw loads of them there. Here in AZ, not so many (gee, I wonder why?)
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Archimedes Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:14:52pm |
This Rush song really does fit our times:
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Lorenska Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:15:59pm |
re: #247 JeremiahRight
so they want President Cheney? Dumb-ass impeach Bush crowd doesn't understand what that would mean
God, you're so right that they don't think through - can you imagine how they'd react to THAT scenario? What they really want is President Pelosi, which are 2 words that truly shouldn't even be allowed to be next to each other on the page. She scares me nearly as much as Obama - I'd take Cheney and his rifle over her any day.
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Killian Bundy Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:16:03pm |
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Pawn of the Oppressor Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:16:21pm |
What interests me is how Barry Zero clearly showed his socialist side, and his classic "liberal" defeatism, if you paid attention to his ideas, instead of his delivery.
"Sacrifice"
"Fairness and Justice"
"We'll have to pay for it somehow"
He put a lot of verbal adornment on it, but his message was basically "America: BOHICA, because we can't do it, unless you give me your wallet."
His biggest mistake may have been in his closing remarks. "We all are going to have to sacrifice." This is something the elitist types never seem to understand: Never, EVER get up on the national stage and ask an American to Do Without. You might be right as rain, but we instinctively respond VERY BADLY to anybody in authority, especially a guy with an ivy league education and a cushy job, getting up there and telling us that WE THE PEOPLE are going to have to give up anything in service of your abstract social engineering plans.
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Killer Tomato Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:16:23pm |
re: #258 logboy
BTW - 'thank you' isn't near enough but Thank You.
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Meremortal Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:17:48pm |
re: #260 Desert Dog
If you ski, you can't go wrong with one. I grew up in Denver and saw loads of them there. Here in AZ, not so many (gee, I wonder why?)
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You'll understand when I say "Bethoud Pass" then. My second home in Grand County is going to become my primary home.
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Throbert McGee Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:17:51pm |
re: #163 Killer Tomato
I bought a package of 'magnet sheets' (from Staples) - they're 8 1/2 x 11 sheets of refrigerator magnet material.
That's a very good idea! But did you know that you can also use refrigerator magnets with dental floss, two rinsed-out empty coffee cans, and discarded nylon pantyhose to make an improvised explosive device? Dig it, kill the pigs!
Hugs,
Hell-oise
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Lorenska Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:17:59pm |
re: #245 SurferDoc
Oh, do! I'm the one sobbing in my front yard, wondering how all the elected officials in this state got to where they are, and how it is that we haven't fallen into the ocean yet...I think it's only because of people like those at Edwards that California hasn't just completely fallen apart yet - but I think it's only a matter of time.
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Meremortal Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:19:14pm |
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nigella Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:19:36pm |
Logboy, thank you for your service, as Mark Levin would say. Thank you from the bottom of my heart also. A friend of mine lost her only child two years ago in Iraq. She is still a patriot to her Country despite her terrible loss. Thank you and God bless.
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logboy Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:20:16pm |
re: #266 Killer Tomato
BTW - 'thank you' isn't near enough but Thank You.
If you want to thank me for my sacrifice, remember us on election day. That is thanks enough. Some of us will be living this war for the rest of our lives. Don't let it be for nothing.
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Sharmuta Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:20:42pm |
re: #163 Killer Tomato
OK - got the sticker done.
Kind of cheated though.I bought a package of 'magnet sheets' (from Staples) - they're 8 1/2 x 11 sheets of refrigerator magnet material.
Took my McCain bumper sticker, and stuck it on the sheet. Trimmed around the sticker, leaving a border.
I drive about 130 miles a day - a lot of people see my car.
I'll put the sticker on the car when I leave the house, and remove it once the car is parked - lessening the chance of it being keyed while sitting unattended somewhere, but still broadcasting the message "you're not alone" when I'm on the road.
Brilliant, Killer T!
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Desert Dog Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:20:48pm |
re: #267 Meremortal
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You'll understand when I say "Bethoud Pass" then. My second home in Grand County is going to become my primary home.
Berthoud Pass!....Winter Park (Mary Jane side) is my favorite area near Denver. I love Steamboat and Crested Butte as well. Hell, ANY ski slopes in COLO......
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BigJohn Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:21:00pm |
I don't know how many viewers tuned in for tonight's debate, but one of the things that sticks out to me is that 70 million viewers tuned in to the Palin vs Biden debate. It was significantly more than for the other Presidential debates. You know that they did not tune in to see Biden. I have to believe that is a big number that tuned in to see Sarah Palin.
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Colonel Panik Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:21:08pm |
re: #260 Desert Dog
If you ski, you can't go wrong with one. I grew up in Denver and saw loads of them there. Here in AZ, not so many (gee, I wonder why?)
The Aussies and Israelis sell kit that turn Foresters or Outbacks into semi-respectable desert off road vehicles. Rasta is the Israeli Mfr. Scorpion Capalaba the Aussie.
I've been looking at Subies for semi-offroad work as they don't suck gas like a Jeep or a small pickup.
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SurferDoc Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:22:10pm |
re: #269 Lorenska
Oh, do! I'm the one sobbing in my front yard, wondering how all the elected officials in this state got to where they are, and how it is that we haven't fallen into the ocean yet...I think it's only because of people like those at Edwards that California hasn't just completely fallen apart yet - but I think it's only a matter of time.
Look on the bright side. We live in the High Desert, where Democrat candidates call themselves human sacrifices.
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boogberg Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:22:14pm |
Has anyone gotten their sample ballots and seen the collection of kooks who qualified? McCain and Obama are fucking normal compared to most of them. Fuck! It's like a scene from The Postman. :D
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SummerSong Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:22:18pm |
re: #254 SummerSong
Sorry! My post should have read: Pockystan
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Killian Bundy Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:23:39pm |
re: #258 logboy
If you're looking for Tom Clancy bravado BS, you can shove it up your a$$. Some of us actually went to Iraq. War is not a movie, no matter what light you cast it in.
Go bitch at Andy McNab. both movies I recommended are first person soldier written, first person soldier approved. Have you actually seen either of them?
/what's next, are you going to bitch about To Hell and Back
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Lorenska Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:24:18pm |
re: #265 Pawn of the Oppressor
God bless you I hope you're right - it just seems like this time around, those who HAVE (the rich libs) are so busy patting themselves on the back for being so enlightened and generous that they're going to be in the majority on voting day - and then when it really comes time to be forced to give - which we will - it'll only be those of us that DON'T have who'll get hurt. Those who are so proud of this 'sharing' idea somehow never end up sharing THEIRS. they just find ways to make the rest of us give what little we have. And those of us who do have who'd like to actually keep what we've worked our asses off for will be criminalized and vilified.
It's late, I'm babbling, but I'm sure the lizards get what I'm saying, I'm preaching to the choir, I know.
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Desert Dog Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:24:23pm |
re: #272 logboy
Your sacrifice and the sacrifice of your brothers and sisters in arms was not in vain. No matter what crap comes out of Washington, you can rest assured there are millions of Americans who not only admire your courage and are in eternal gratitude for your service, but will also NEVER FORGET.
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Killer Tomato Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:24:45pm |
re: #272 logboy
Rest easy. I took that oath to protect and defend the Constitution - even though I'm now out, I never 'untook' it - it's still in effect.
As far as I'm concerned, Obama is a domestic enemy.
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rancher Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:25:31pm |
re: #238 Lorenska
I'm assuming it's constitutional since every other scheme since "The New Deal" and "The Great Society" have been.
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JeremiahRight Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:25:59pm |
for those who need a laugh
from The Onion:
Many elections have been altered by an "October surprise," or a sudden revelation that casts one candidate in a bad light. Here are some of the more memorable October surprises from years past:
1816: James Monroe (Democratic-Republican) vs. Rufus King (Federalist)—The Daily Pottstown Ledger intercepts a carrier pigeon carrying erotic poetry from Sen. King to an unidentified minor
1840: William Henry Harrison (Whig) vs. Martin Van Buren (Democrat)—In one of the earliest photographs ever taken in the United States, the incumbent Van Buren is revealed to be nothing more than a topcoat stuffed with leaves
1868: Ulysses S. Grant (Republican) vs. Horatio Seymour (Democrat)—Scandal erupts when it is discovered that Seymour secretly supports polio
1924: Calvin Coolidge (Republican) vs. John W. Davis (Democrat)—Publishing magnate William Randolph Hearst releases photos of Davis dressed as a flapper
1960: John F. Kennedy (Democrat) vs. Richard Nixon (Republican)—Chicago's powerful League of Deceased Voters rescinds its endorsement of Nixon
1984: Ronald Reagan (Republican) vs. Walter Mondale (Democrat)—Ronald Reagan finds Osama bin Laden and gives him $100 million to fight the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan
1988: George H. W. Bush (Republican) vs. Michael Dukakis (Democrat)—Voters are shocked when it is revealed that Dukakis previously slept with and impregnated his wife of many years
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Quad Mocha Matti Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:26:43pm |
Behold the hippopotamus!
We laugh at how he looks to us,
And yet in moments dank and grim,
I wonder how we look to him.— Ogden Nash
Hippopotami Totally RAWK!
Okay, after catching the last bit of Gunga Din on TCM, I am finally officially out for a few hours. Don't mind all the Eeyores among us! G'nite, all!
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RTLM Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:29:18pm |
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Lorenska Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:30:27pm |
re: #278 SurferDoc
Look on the bright side. We live in the High Desert, where Democrat candidates call themselves human sacrifices.
Wow, you're so right - it's not very often that I consider the High Desert a "bright side," but my little town is pretty conservative, so I guess when I look at the rest of California, I am rather fortunate. I think I'd take a running jump off the Golden Gate if I lived in SF - such a beautiful city, it's such a shame what the dems have done to it. I guess dust & heat down here aren't such a bad trade off for some political sanity.
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Meremortal Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:30:32pm |
re: #274 Desert Dog
They are all nice slopes. I'm more into the fishing now, saving the knees as best I can.
Good nite all...
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Fenway_Nation Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:32:37pm |
re: #291 Meremortal
They are all nice slopes. I'm more into the fishing now,
What kind of grenades do you use?
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BlueCanuck Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:34:35pm |
For Joe the Plumber: Nobodies Hero.
/listen first then ding. trust me.
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SurferDoc Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:34:39pm |
re: #290 Lorenska
Wow, you're so right - it's not very often that I consider the High Desert a "bright side," but my little town is pretty conservative, so I guess when I look at the rest of California, I am rather fortunate. I think I'd take a running jump off the Golden Gate if I lived in SF - such a beautiful city, it's such a shame what the dems have done to it. I guess dust & heat down here aren't such a bad trade off for some political sanity.
360 days of sunshine. Endless four-wheeling, ghost towns, history, archeology, photography--dust and heat? My Jeep has A/C for the four hot months.
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Adina in Judea Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:35:01pm |
Hey, I really like the "I Am Joe the Plumber" movement!
It helps McCain/Palin a lot!
Here's my new Obama poster:
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Gus 802 Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:35:30pm |
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Lorenska Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:40:00pm |
re: #294 SurferDoc
360 days of sunshine. Endless four-wheeling, ghost towns, history, archeology, photography--dust and heat? My Jeep has A/C for the four hot months.
I'm certainly not trying to whine, but 4 hot months? We either live further apart than I thought or I'm a true baby when it comes to weather....don't get me wrong, there's a lot of great stuff about this area, but I'm afraid I can't count the weather, I like a little rain sometimes (must be my originally-from-Texas side talking). :)
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solomonpanting Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:41:27pm |
re: #290 Lorenska
Wow, you're so right - it's not very often that I consider the High Desert a "bright side," but my little town is pretty conservative, so I guess when I look at the rest of California, I am rather fortunate. I think I'd take a running jump off the Golden Gate if I lived in SF - such a beautiful city, it's such a shame what the dems have done to it. I guess dust & heat down here aren't such a bad trade off for some political sanity.
Well, you had better hurry.
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Pawn of the Oppressor Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:41:41pm |
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Killer Tomato Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:42:29pm |
re: #296 Gus 802
hmmmmm..... why does the word 'doofus' spring to mind?
Well crap. I have to get up in 2 1/2 hours.
'night all - catch you sometime tomorrow.
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SurferDoc Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:43:12pm |
re: #298 Lorenska
I'm certainly not trying to whine, but 4 hot months? We either live further apart than I thought or I'm a true baby when it comes to weather....don't get me wrong, there's a lot of great stuff about this area, but I'm afraid I can't count the weather, I like a little rain sometimes (must be my originally-from-Texas side talking). :)
LOL! Hot is 95 or better for me!
Did I mention we average around 27% humidity?
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Lorenska Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:44:43pm |
re: #299 solomonpanting
Well, you had better hurry.
See, I knew it - everyone up there finally looked around and saw Pelosi and her family tree (Newsom). And up goes the net. That's handy - when it gets full, we can just gather them all up and haul them away, preferably before 11/4.
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JeremiahRight Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:45:38pm |
re: #299 solomonpanting
Well, you had better hurry.
that damned suicide net is the worst idea ever. So what if 15 or 20 people want to jump each year, I say let em. Dont mess with the bridge
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Lorenska Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:47:44pm |
re: #302 SurferDoc
LOL! Hot is 95 or better for me!
Did I mention we average around 27% humidity?
I KNOW, and I'm from Austin, where it gets to 98 with like 90% humidity, so go figure why I'm such a wimp - all I know is, anything over 85 makes me cranky, and these 110+ days that we had this summer had me downright homicidal at times....based on your name, I'da thought you were somewhere near the coast, which is where I'd be if I could afford it. Just down the hill, it's a lovely 72 most days, if only I were one of those rich liberals!
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JeremiahRight Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:48:48pm |
during construction of the Golden Gate Bridge in 1933:
The Halfway to Hell Club
Joseph Strauss implemented safety innovations, including a safety net cantilevered out underneath the entire bridge during roadway construction. Nineteen men would fall into it, cheating death and proclaiming themselves the Halfway to Hell Club. The net boosted workers' morale and became an attraction for showboats and club wannabes, who had to be ordered not to jump into it on purpose.
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Gus 802 Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:48:58pm |
re: #301 Killer Tomato
Right. It reminds me of a kitten photo with "Iz Haz" as a prefix. Not that there's anything wrong with kittens but those guys are just too much. They just alter their behavior for acceptance or votes.
Later.
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logboy Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:49:13pm |
re: #281 Killian Bundy
Go bitch at Andy McNab. both movies I recommended are first person soldier written, first person soldier approved. Have you actually seen either of them?
My bitch is that people watch a lot of the war crap that comes out of Hollywood (or the BBC, before you correct me) and think thats what war is actually like. Guys with 6 pistols strapped to their legs, machine gun ammo belted across their chest, a sniper rifle on their back with a 500 pound ruck and an M240B under each arm. Men do amazing things in war. Unfortunately there are never any camera's around to capture them.
While I was in Iraq my wife actually had a stranger say to her, "Oh I've seen "Jar Head", so I know what you're going through."
And yes, I read B20. I banged it out between patrols in Iraq.
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Lorenska Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:49:19pm |
re: #304 JeremiahRight
I'm guessing the first time someone gets tangled in that thing like a bug on its back and creates a traffic jam - or accident where someone dies anyway - they'll take it down and realize what an idiotic idea it was.
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solomonpanting Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:50:34pm |
re: #304 JeremiahRight
that damned suicide net is the worst idea ever. So what if 15 or 20 people want to jump each year, I say let em. Dont mess with the bridge
I tend to agree with you. To what degree does society go in order to make a world with padded borders?
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MrSnuggles Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:51:13pm |
I actually think McCain did the right thing in bringing up Joe the plumber and attacking Obama for basically being a socialist instead of just pounding on Ayers all night long. Although I do appreciate the fact that he did mention him and I think got Obama pretty good on ACORN as well. How anyone can think Obama won this thing is beyond me.
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SurferDoc Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:51:18pm |
re: #305 Lorenska
I KNOW, and I'm from Austin, where it gets to 98 with like 90% humidity, so go figure why I'm such a wimp - all I know is, anything over 85 makes me cranky, and these 110+ days that we had this summer had me downright homicidal at times....based on your name, I'da thought you were somewhere near the coast, which is where I'd be if I could afford it. Just down the hill, it's a lovely 72 most days, if only I were one of those rich liberals!
I lived at the beach or on the water for many years. My "name" has been with me on the internet for a long time. I don't wince until it gets over 105. But heck, I go from and air conditioned house to an air conditioned car to an air conditioned office. Now if I was out there digging ditches....
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Killian Bundy Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:53:32pm |
re: #258 logboy
War is not a movie, no matter what light you cast it in.
I get that and I more than sincerely thank you for going there and sacrificing, if that's the right word, your arm for my old civilian ass and the tens of millions of moonbats in this country, and pray for your future prosperity. I hope you're doing well and recovering and rehabilitating successfully.
Thank God you made it home.
/still, in every war from now on, there will be cameras there and cameras after the fact, documentaries and movies, I was trying to flag the good ones, written and shaped by the soldiers that witnessed it, I meant no offense
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RTLM Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:54:07pm |
Pirate update:
Pirated Iranian Ship Meant as Dirty Bomb for Israel on Yom Kipper. And it been released to International waters.
[Link: patdollard.com...]
Allah AkBOOOOM (delay)
/Good bit of Coast Guarding there... errr, 'Pirate'.
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Gus 802 Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:55:12pm |
re: #312 MrSnuggles
Right. Obama's defense of his relationship with ACORN was pathetic. But he's so slick I'm sure a good portion of the Perez Hilton minds bought it.
"But, uh, we were not associated with _______ ."
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JeremiahRight Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:55:51pm |
did anyone else watch the debate tonight on an HD channel? It looked like McCain's eyes were watery and he was blinking a lot. Did anyone else see that?
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Lorenska Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:56:39pm |
re: #309 logboy
Go bitch at Andy McNab. both movies I recommended are first person soldier written, first person soldier approved. Have you actually seen either of them?
My bitch is that people watch a lot of the war crap that comes out of Hollywood (or the BBC, before you correct me) and think thats what war is actually like. Guys with 6 pistols strapped to their legs, machine gun ammo belted across their chest, a sniper rifle on their back with a 500 pound ruck and an M240B under each arm. Men do amazing things in war. Unfortunately there are never any camera's around to capture them.
While I was in Iraq my wife actually had a stranger say to her, "Oh I've seen "Jar Head", so I know what you're going through."
And yes, I read B20. I banged it out between patrols in Iraq.
I don't mean to jump into your conversation, but I had to respond to what that idiot said to your wife....I have to assume no one can ever imagine what a soldier or family member goes through, especially during wartime. My fiance was in the Navy for 20 years - he had a cush job most of the time, but his main responsibility was documenting (videoing and photographing) the casualties after battles, which he did in Somalia and Beirut, and he said it was horrific. And even today, HE says, "I can't imagine what those guys in Iraq and Afghanistan are going through." Thank you for being a man of bravery and honor, and I pray with all my heart that this nation elects one of your kind rather than the liar that is the other choice. God bless you.
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Sharmuta Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:56:43pm |
One of the best moments of the debate was when McCain said he wasn't Bush- here's video that the audience responded to that positively.
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Mel Lono Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:57:10pm |
re: #316 RTLM
Pirate update:
Pirated Iranian Ship Meant as Dirty Bomb for Israel on Yom Kipper. And it been released to International waters.
[Link: patdollard.com...]
Allah AkBOOOOM (delay)/Good bit of Coast Guarding there... errr, 'Pirate'.
How much did the pirates pay to get rid of it?
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Adina in Judea Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:57:33pm |
Obama is on video telling ACORN that they will be forming his policies in the White House.
This is one of the more damning of the large collection of Obama's Damning Tapes.
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RTLM Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:58:27pm |
Oh - and they the Pirates commandeered another hapless vessel.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
Wednesday's hijacking pushed the number of attacks this year in the African waters to 73. A total of 29 ships have been hijacked. Choong says 11 remain in the hands of pirates along with more than 200 crew members.
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Lorenska Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:59:33pm |
re: #319 JeremiahRight
did anyone else watch the debate tonight on an HD channel? It looked like McCain's eyes were watery and he was blinking a lot. Did anyone else see that?
I DID, I actually wondered a couple of times if he was crying, I wonder what was up?
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Gus 802 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:00:17am |
re: #321 Sharmuta
Yep. And then he said something about "maybe you should have run in 2004." I thought that was poignant and funny.
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:01:07am |
Joe the Plumber speaks!
[Link: www.politico.com...]
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:02:29am |
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JeremiahRight Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:02:53am |
re: #326 Lorenska
I DID, I actually wondered a couple of times if he was crying, I wonder what was up?
I thought maybe the lights were too bright in his face or something like that. Bob Schieffer looked the same, maybe an age thing?
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Lorenska Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:04:33am |
re: #328 Sharmuta
Wow, the comments at that link are unreal. I mean, not if you're used to listening to hateful moonbats, but still. These people are what scare me, these are the voters.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:04:58am |
re: #309 logboy
While I was in Iraq my wife actually had a stranger say to her, "Oh I've seen "Jar Head", so I know what you're going through."
/Jarhead is just bizarre, Generation Kill seems to have more support from actual Marines for accuracy, but probably only you can decide which one or neither is realistic
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really grumpy big dog Johnson Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:04:59am |
re: #319 JeremiahRight
did anyone else watch the debate tonight on an HD channel? It looked like McCain's eyes were watery and he was blinking a lot. Did anyone else see that?
FU
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:05:17am |
re: #331 JeremiahRight
I thought maybe the lights were too bright in his face or something like that. Bob Schieffer looked the same, maybe an age thing?
They were crying because of the bullshit Obama was spewing.
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JeremiahRight Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:07:30am |
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Gus 802 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:07:44am |
"We'll look into it"
Barack Obama
Senator Government
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Adina in Judea Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:09:03am |
re: #332 Lorenska
Agreed! The comments are unbelievable!
Look at this moonbat comment:
"It's too bad Joe isn't a non-biased voter, he had a goal in ambushing Obama and now the media will treat him as if he's an honest representation of most people and will give a fair analysis of the candidates."
Obama went on a door-to-door photo op on Joe the Plumber's street!
It's something Obama is already living to regret (no doubt about it), but Joe wasn't a guy with a goal to ambush The Obambi.
Joe was tossing a football with his kid on the lawn.
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really grumpy big dog Johnson Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:09:36am |
re: #336 JeremiahRight
wow! really?
Apparently you didn't see the plasticine doll that is being touted as the saviour.
HD my ass.
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Lorenska Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:10:38am |
re: #337 Sharmuta
I'm a glutton for punishment, once I start reading the drivel, it's like a car wreck, I can't stop....and honestly, it's scary. The upshot is - he's a plant from the McCain camp, he should shut up because he's SOOOO rich anyway, he's a liar because plumbers don't make that much, and oh yeah, he's a racist (cause he said something about tap dancing, I guess?). It's amazing what the leftists can turn racist, it never ever fails to amaze me.
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Adina in Judea Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:10:54am |
My favorite Make Your Own Obama Poster entry:
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Mr. Sandman Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:11:45am |
I think the views of the general American population have shifted a good deal to the left over the last 4 years. People are sick especially of right-wing trickle down economics. I'm seeing that right wing websites like this one give vigorous opinions that McCain won this debate, and this is overwhelmingly indicated in self-selected polls for these kinds of websites. But where you think he was battering Obama did not apparently resonate that way with the general American population. They apparently saw a nasty, angry, desperate old man, not someone getting "good swipes" at Obama like you folks saw. Scientific polls from CNN and CBS show that Obama crushed McCain at this debate, even more so than in the other two debates. He won 58-31 among the general population of debate watchers (CNN poll), and 53-22 among the undecideds (CBS poll). Your world-view and way of seeing things seems considerably less in sinc with the general population than in the past. We may be witness to an election landslide, and the beginnings of a left-wing Ronald Reagan, a genuinely transformative president and era.
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really grumpy big dog Johnson Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:12:59am |
re: #341 Lorenska
I'm a glutton for punishment, once I start reading the drivel, it's like a car wreck, I can't stop....and honestly, it's scary. The upshot is - he's a plant from the McCain camp, he should shut up because he's SOOOO rich anyway, he's a liar because plumbers don't make that much, and oh yeah, he's a racist (cause he said something about tap dancing, I guess?). It's amazing what the leftists can turn racist, it never ever fails to amaze me.
You just wish you made what a plumbing contractor makes. Are you a racist?
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Adina in Judea Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:13:03am |
re: #341 Lorenska
The upshot is - he's a plant from the McCain camp...
This moonbat thinks McCain got Joe the Plumber to move to this street in case The Obambi would try to do a photo op in this election by going door to door?
Wow.
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JeremiahRight Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:14:09am |
I didn't mean it as a criticism, just an observation. McCain looked like he was crying, about to cry, etc. on every closeup shot. BHO looked smug and condescending, the usual for him. But McCain looked off a little
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:14:22am |
re: #328 Sharmuta
Scan through the of that comment section in light of Poor Joe the Plumber:
It seems evident that the McCain campaign is going to go all Joe the Plumber, all the time. These insta-celebrities can get a very rough ride, especially if McCain’s use of him is effective. Liberal web sites will go for his jugular, and as we’ve seen with some monstrous bloggers and their willingness to say just about anything about Sarah Palin’s baby, Joe the Plumber may not have a prayer of surviving the next 20 days.
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OtisMyMan Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:14:26am |
re: #265 Pawn of the Oppressor
What interests me is how Barry Zero clearly showed his socialist side, and his classic "liberal" defeatism, if you paid attention to his ideas, instead of his delivery.
"Sacrifice"
"Fairness and Justice"
"We'll have to pay for it somehow"He put a lot of verbal adornment on it, but his message was basically "America: BOHICA, because we can't do it, unless you give me your wallet."
His biggest mistake may have been in his closing remarks. "We all are going to have to sacrifice." This is something the elitist types never seem to understand: Never, EVER get up on the national stage and ask an American to Do Without. You might be right as rain, but we instinctively respond VERY BADLY to anybody in authority, especially a guy with an ivy league education and a cushy job, getting up there and telling us that WE THE PEOPLE are going to have to give up anything in service of your abstract social engineering plans.
Beside folks with family in the military, no one in this country has had to sacrifice anything since 1945! Next time you have a few minutes do some research on rationing, scrap metal drives, victory gardens, loose lips sink ships, keep it under your Stetson, V-mail, air raid wardens, and anything else to do with the home front here in America during WW2. And yes it was a home front because people realized that if we lost that war we would be conquered by an enemy that had no compunction about slaughtering millions of innocent people in prison camps and would have made all of the US and Europe into one big pool of slave labor to do their bidding.
They knew that to survive we had to win and to win took sacrifice on the part of every man, woman and child because losing was unthinkable.
During WW2 nazi infiltrators were rounded up, tried, found guilty and executed the following day! We are being infiltrated today by islamic nazis and we have let them literally walk across our borders unimpeded. The enemy within exists amongst our own native born populace as well. They are in our state houses and capitol buildings. They are the useful idiots that elect the enemy into office. Political correctness is their creed. They spread lies about the moral, the righteous through the main stream media, all the while covering up and obfuscating the lies and evil deeds of those on the left. Their double standards and unfairness grow more blatant and shocking every day. But the people of this country who are still willing to sacrifice grow ever more angry. The Rage Bubble continues to grow with each lie, with each insult to decency and goodness. The unrighteous arrogantly think they are safe, sheltered, cloistered and protected from harm. They think that there are enough bodyguards, police, military or private security to protect them. There isn't. I'm afraid of the consequences of their continued behavior. There are two possible outcomes, sadly, neither of which will result in the continuation of life in America as we have experienced it. Either they will win and the god fearing pro American patriot will be suppressed, or the rage bubble will burst and we will win, but pay an awful, damning price for victory. I really hope it doesn't happen. But every day, so much of what I see, hear and experience makes me think it will.
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Adina in Judea Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:14:35am |
re: #344 really grumpy big dog Johnson
You just wish you made what a plumbing contractor makes. Are you a racist?
Lorenska is describing the moonbat comments on that site.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:15:18am |
re: #344 really grumpy big dog Johnson
Umm dude, are you actually comprehending what she's writing? Time to put the bottle down and log off for the night.
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JeremiahRight Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:16:29am |
re: #343 Mr. Sandman
what!? This country is center-right, my friend. Witness the last 2 presidential elections. Obama is toast, not a chance in Hell.
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stonemason Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:16:51am |
re: #343 Mr. Sandman
since you insist on using two biased examples as actual polls, try to remember that those same two organizations, as well as all of those 'more to the left' Americans had Kerry in the lead this same time 4 years ago.
You are wrong, the heart of America is to the right of center, and will always be.
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Adina in Judea Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:17:51am |
re: #343 Mr. Sandman
Scientific polls from CNN and CBS show that Obama crushed McCain at this debate
Hey, POS.
"Scientific polls" take more than a few minutes or hours to do.
One focus group said they thought Obama won the debate but that they still didn't trust him and wouldn't vote for him.
Put that in your bong and smoke it.
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:17:54am |
re: #343 Mr. Sandman
Can I get your dealer's number? I want some of what you're smoking.
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solomonpanting Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:18:02am |
re: #343 Mr. Sandman
People are sick especially of right-wing trickle down economics.
Many are waiting for left-wing governmental redistribution handouts.
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JeremiahRight Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:19:39am |
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:20:05am |
Debate exclusive: Obama wins by a hair
Forty-nine percent of respondents said that Obama won the debate, compared to 46 who believed his opponent, Sen. John McCain, came out on top. The three-point gap separating the two candidates was equal to the poll’s margin of error.
Perhaps the best news for McCain is the rating he received from independent voters. Among respondents not identified with either major political party, McCain was judged tonight’s winner, 51-42 percent.
But you keep buying your brand of bullshit, Sandy.
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Adina in Judea Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:20:21am |
The country is so right of center that every single Democrat who runs for President tries like crazy to pretend that he's more to the right than he actually is.
Obama would be doing ads saying "YES, I'M PROUD TO BE PLANNING ON REDISTRIBUTING WEALTH" if the country was into it.
America doesn't want ultra-liberalism or socialism.
So Lord Barry pretends that he's not (unless someone catches him off guard.)
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MrSnuggles Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:22:08am |
re: #347 JeremiahRight
Maybe it had to do with Nancy? Reagan is his hero, after all.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:22:44am |
My dad came home from WWII and never talked about it. However, even as a small child, there was a large encyclopidia set of red bound books on the bookshelf. It was a photographic history of WWII, each page of each volume contained an official U.S. 8" x10" B&W photo of something absolutely historic or, more often, absolutely horrific. The only things missing were the color, smell, and sound. I was never discouraged from going through those volumes repeatedly.
/they were destroyed in a house fire when I was a teenager, I've always regretted never to be able to figure out the title of that series of volumes, everyone should have to look at it
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pat Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:25:11am |
A left wing Ronald Reagan? By an idiot who cannot even talk without a teleprompter? Too stupid to understand basic economics? A man who believes his crazy father was a hero? I agree McCain sounds like a bizarre caricature of a candidate. Frankly I find him disturbingly robotic and controlled. Whereas Obama seems to be an ignorant fool, equally controlled. But we know Bush does not control McCain. Who controls Obama?
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Moe Katz Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:25:19am |
A prolonged depression could shift things to the left a bit, I'm convinced of that. All the more reason to avoid a prolonged depression.
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MrSnuggles Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:27:25am |
Why would Americans choose to abandon freedom and embrace government control? It makes no sense, its so..... european!
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pat Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:29:16am |
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:30:14am |
Joe the Plumber doesn't want tax increases. Joe is America, and if you can't convince a plumber to vote for you- good luck.
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Lorenska Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:30:36am |
re: #350 Adina in Judea
Thank you, Adina - I was wondering how the heck to respond to that question, I wasn't even sure what "big grumpy guy" whatever-his-name-is meant by that. As for your other comments, you're SO right on - so many of those comments said, "Oh, he's a shill for McCain, he's on the FoxNews payroll, he's a GOP pundit" - yeah, he probably bought that house years ago, knowing Obama would come a knockin, had his comments all rehearsed and everything - good heavens, the conspiracies these people think up, all because they can't think of a REAL response to this man and his real-life, "main street" issues. They talk so much about being 'for the middle class,' and then when they run into someone who actually represents us, they act like he's an alien - "well, he's not the REAL middle America, he can't be!"
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zombie Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:31:34am |
re: #343 Mr. Sandman
I think the views of the general American population have shifted a good deal to the left over the last 4 years. People are sick especially of right-wing trickle down economics. I'm seeing that right wing websites like this one give vigorous opinions that McCain won this debate, and this is overwhelmingly indicated in self-selected polls for these kinds of websites. But where you think he was battering Obama did not apparently resonate that way with the general American population. They apparently saw a nasty, angry, desperate old man, not someone getting "good swipes" at Obama like you folks saw. Scientific polls from CNN and CBS show that Obama crushed McCain at this debate, even more so than in the other two debates. He won 58-31 among the general population of debate watchers (CNN poll), and 53-22 among the undecideds (CBS poll). Your world-view and way of seeing things seems considerably less in sinc with the general population than in the past. We may be witness to an election landslide, and the beginnings of a left-wing Ronald Reagan, a genuinely transformative president and era.
Wow! Thank you. Never before have I seen someone who confirmed my theory so thoroughly and yet so unwittingly!
But I really am curious: Are you conscious of the goals of your attempted strategy, or are you just on autopilot? The main flaw in my essay is that I could never scry the motivations and thought-processes of the typical left-wing poll promoter. Yet here is my opportunity to hear it straight from the horse's mouth:
What do you think you are achieving by touting a poll-stuffed online opinion poll to a group of McCain supporters?
Seriously. I want to know.
Are you trying to convince us to vote for Obama? Due to our naivité and tendency for informational conformity?
Or are you trying to convince us to "surrender" and not vote on November 4th, because we feel we have no hope of winning?
Or have you never even stopped to consider the purpose and ramifications of your actions?
Or...what, exactly?
I can include your response in an update.
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Adina in Judea Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:32:08am |
re: #368 Sharmuta
Joe the Plumber doesn't want tax increases. Joe is America, and if you can't convince a plumber to vote for you- good luck.
Exactly!
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pat Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:33:07am |
re: #368 Sharmuta
Joe the Plumber doesn't want tax increases. Joe is America, and if you can't convince a plumber to vote for you- good luck.
Put a quarter down the back of his pants. ;)
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:34:39am |
re: #370 zombie
Maybe he thinks that since we're a pro-science blog, adding "scientific" to "polling" will somehow convince us of.... something.
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Adina in Judea Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:35:07am |
re: #369 Lorenska
As for your other comments, you're SO right on - so many of those comments said, "Oh, he's a shill for McCain, he's on the FoxNews payroll, he's a GOP pundit" - yeah, he probably bought that house years ago, knowing Obama would come a knockin, had his comments all rehearsed and everything - good heavens, the conspiracies these people think up, all because they can't think of a REAL response to this man and his real-life, "main street" issues. They talk so much about being 'for the middle class,' and then when they run into someone who actually represents us, they act like he's an alien - "well, he's not the REAL middle America, he can't be!"
Yeah!
It's so perfect that Obama went to Joe's street as a photo op!
Obambi wanted to talk to real Americans to show that he's "in touch" and he found a real American who doesn't want Obama's tax raises.
Obambi is banging his head against the wall as we speak. :)
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Intrepid Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:36:01am |
re: #328 Sharmuta
Joe the Plumber speaks!
[Link: www.politico.com...]
Joe doesn't like Obama - he thinks Obama "tap dances". But Joe thinks John McCain shoots straight with America.
Joe's gonna vote for Mac/Sarah.
Go JOE!
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pat Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:36:01am |
re: #375 Sharmuta
Maybe he thinks that since we're a pro-science blog, adding "scientific" to "polling" will somehow convince us of.... something.
Hmmm. Intelligent Denial.
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Inquisitive Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:36:36am |
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JeremiahRight Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:36:42am |
re: #373 pat
Put a quarter down the back of his pants. ;)
those plumbers could use some coin slot creme
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BlueCanuck Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:37:49am |
re: #375 Sharmuta
Polling isn't scientific, it's more mathematics. Statistics more likely. Never trust something that takes a small sample to infer an outcome on a large population. Hari Seldon hasn't been born yet.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:39:08am |
re: #379 Inquisitive
Still logged in. Just waiting to drop his turd in the punch bowl I guess.
/firing up the BBQ
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redc1c4 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:39:30am |
re: #379 Inquisitive
I think he was just a drive by....did a hit and run....
naw.... look at his recent history. he's a sleeper that's just come to life.
all we need now is the stick to put him back under. %-)
/tosses a yellow smoke onto the sandman
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:40:22am |
Mr. Sandstrawman is probably just doing a driveby tonight.
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:40:28am |
re: #377 Intrepid
Joe is exactly the type of American that 0bama can't connect with, and there are millions of us.
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Aisha Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:40:52am |
Aisha does not know what to think, and will have to turn to the pages of the Noble Quaran for guidance.
In any event, Aisha thinks that Bend Over Barrack (don't tell Aisha that Obama and his sharmuta don't do this). might well end up Kufr in Chief.
An Apostate and a Kufr versus a Kufr with a shameless Vice President who flaunts her lady parts in public and in private and ignores the laws of hijab.
Aisha is so conflicted and confused; it is like the "elections" in the Zionist Entity - whatever friggin' happens there, a stinky ol' Jew wins.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:41:04am |
Geraldine Ferraro is stupid. If she's claiming the Fox Text Poll is being flooded with young voters, aren't young voters for Obama and his radicalism? If McCain is kicking ass in the Fox Text Poll and the Text Poll is "only young people" and not "undecideds" then that doesn't bode well for Obama.
Ferraro, you idiot.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:41:33am |
Well great, now the images of GIs using corn brooms to sweep the snow off the grotesquely contorted victims of Malmédy just popped into my head.
/the SS was depraved
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Inquisitive Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:41:43am |
Good night all......lots of good comments made regarding the debate tonight......and this unscientific poll....right here in this average American home.....says McCain won....
McCain 2
Obama 0
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Lorenska Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:43:33am |
re: #376 Adina in Judea
Oh, so true - you just KNOW he's ripping some poor campaign aide a new one..."how could you let that guy get near me, why didn't you stop me from talking, where was my teleprompter?". But what scares me most of all is, he's not really taking back what he said - he's just trying harder to sell the idea. He's not saying he misspoke, he MEANT he wants to redistribute Joe's income - he just thinks he can make everyone see what a wonderful idea it is, if only we'd listen to him. It's like I said earlier - sharing sounds so nice, until you realize that sharing means giving away what you have (involuntarily, in Obama's world). And if you have less, then you hire less, and you buy less, and you spend less, and that means the business down the street makes less, and they then hire less, and they buy less, and so on and so on until capitalism is GONE. And by the way, where is my incentive to work and succeed if my paycheck is going to Bob the moron down the block? And if I have no incentive, how do you get me to work and be a productive citizen? And if no one has any incentive to be productive, how does anything get done? Isn't there a word for that? I think it starts with an S, didn't we outlaw it around the time of Lincoln....?
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BakaRanger Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:43:47am |
re: #299 solomonpanting
Well, you had better hurry.
that damned suicide net is the worst idea ever. So what if 15 or 20 people want to jump each year, I say let em. Don't mess with the bridge
/ This whole anti leaping net is an affront to the suicide community.
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Spirit93 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:43:52am |
re: #383 BlueCanuck
Still logged in. Just waiting to drop his turd in the punch bowl I guess.
/firing up the BBQ
How can you tell?
BTW, I got your Seldon ref, I must have read that book at least 20yrs ago!
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Inquisitive Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:45:24am |
re: #383 BlueCanuck
Still logged in. Just waiting to drop his turd in the punch bowl I guess.
/firing up the BBQ
Have fun and I am sure Charles will appreciate it if you would clean up the mess after your BBQ party is done.
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Aisha Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:45:57am |
You see, if we vote Obama because he is better than kufr-sharmuta, then we still may need to sentence him to death for sharee crime of apostasy. Then what is it Biden-Pelosi - well we then have to sentence Pelosi to death for sharee crimes related to hijab and homobuttfuckualism, so then who gets to be Biden's VP? Aisha is confused. Biden would probably convert to Islaaam because he doesn't really believe or think anything, but that is not the kind of Muslim that we want in the Ummah.
Oh Alllllaaaaah!
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redc1c4 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:46:18am |
re: #383 BlueCanuck
Still logged in. Just waiting to drop his turd in the punch bowl I guess.
/firing up the BBQ
is that anything like diarrhea ice cubes?
/hands out the brain bleach
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Inquisitive Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:46:26am |
re: #384 redc1c4
naw.... look at his recent history. he's a sleeper that's just come to life.
all we need now is the stick to put him back under. %-)
/tosses a yellow smoke onto the sandman
Hey.... is this the same one that you was going to let me throw the green smoke at the other eve?
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BlueCanuck Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:46:38am |
re: #394 Spirit93
If you click on a lizards (or in this case troll) icon it will give that persons details. Also near the top it will say if the person is logged in. Otherwise nothing.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:47:47am |
re: #396 Inquisitive
Don't worry about that. And if there's any left overs I will put it in the fridge.
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Intrepid Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:47:47am |
re: #387 Sharmuta
Joe is exactly the type of American that 0bama can't connect with, and there are millions of us.
Wait - you mean real Americans? The ones who work and pay taxes and do the purchasing and consuming here in this country?
Those Americans?
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JustMyView Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:48:36am |
I wonder whether Joe knows that his union endorsed Obama way back in January and, if so, what he thinks about that?
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:50:20am |
re: #403 JustMyView
I wonder whether Joe knows that his union endorsed Obama way back in January and, if so, what he thinks about that?
I thought guilt by association wasn't valid?
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Aisha Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:50:43am |
Wasn't the Sandkufr a regular poster here years ago. Aisha seems to remember something in the deep dark past about that kufr. Aisha was only six at the time, so she was fit for marryin', not for postin.
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Adina in Judea Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:50:49am |
re: #387 Sharmuta
Joe is exactly the type of American that 0bama can't connect with, and there are millions of us.
Obama was expecting to find Obamabots on Joe's street.
He sure got a surprise.
You're right that Obama can't connect (and he has no idea why.)
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:51:10am |
re: #403 JustMyView
I wonder whether Joe knows that his union endorsed Obama way back in January and, if so, what he thinks about that?
Probably some 'buyer's remorse' on his union's part!
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Outrider Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:51:11am |
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Pawn of the Oppressor Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:51:36am |
T-shirts
"Obama don't know Joe"
"Plumbers for Smaller Government"
"Joe '08"
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:51:47am |
re: #403 JustMyView
I wonder whether Joe knows that his union endorsed Obama way back in January and, if so, what he thinks about that?
I would wager a guess that Joe thinks he's capable of deciding for himself.
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zombie Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:52:19am |
re: #390 Killian Bundy
Well great, now the images of GIs using corn brooms to sweep the snow off the grotesquely contorted victims of Malmédy just popped into my head.
/the SS was depraved
I once long ago wrote an essay about the Malmedy Massacre. One of many atrocities by the Nazis that have mostly been forgotten.
Even if they had never committed the Holocaust, most of the Nazi leadership still deserved to be hanged for war crimes.
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Inquisitive Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:52:49am |
Hope to talk to you all tomorrow eve...really gotta go lay this head on a pillow for a little while.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:53:26am |
I'm on here 3-4 times a day almsot every day. When did Aisha start posting again. Or have I been missing her somehow.
Walter in Golden, Co.
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JeremiahRight Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:53:51am |
bedtime for me.
one for the road, did Engels predict the rise of BHO? :)
What is genuine is proved in the fire, what is false we shall not miss in our ranks. The opponents must grant us that youth has never before flocked to our colours in such numbers, ... in the end, one will be found among us who will prove that the sword of enthusiasm is just as good as the sword of genius. - Frederick Engels
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redc1c4 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:53:52am |
re: #399 Inquisitive
Hey.... is this the same one that you was going to let me throw the green smoke at the other eve?
could be.... that was a lot of beers ago, so i couldn't say for sure.
toss one anyway, just for S&G's. %-)
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:53:53am |
re: #402 Intrepid
Wait - you mean real Americans? The ones who work and pay taxes and do the purchasing and consuming here in this country?
Those Americans?
Yes. People with real jobs, not bullshit jobs like "community organizer".
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JustMyView Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:54:29am |
re: #404 TheMatrix31
I thought guilt by association wasn't valid?
I don't understand what guilt by association has to do w/ the question I asked.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:54:39am |
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Aisha Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:55:12am |
Zombie-kufr, probably because it would not help the Zionists disposess the Arabs and Muslims of Palestine. All the other "massacres" (if the history books are correct) are exaggerated by the Zionist kufr. Allahu-akhbar!
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Spirit93 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:55:14am |
re: #400 BlueCanuck
Thanks Blue, learn something new everyday on LGF.
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:55:19am |
So... joining a union means I sign over my right to think for myself?
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:56:29am |
re: #418 JustMyView
I don't understand what guilt by association has to do w/ the question I asked.
You're saying that the union he's a part of (is that even confirmed, btw?) supports Obama. What the hell does it matter who his union supports? And if you're somehow implying that he's a hypocrite or should be associated with his union's view just because he's "part of" that union, that's bullshit. Why is it bullshit? Because Barack's associations have been downplayed and deemed irrelevant by people like you, and the media.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:56:53am |
re: #384 redc1c4
tosses a yellow smoke onto the sandman
Why not just use your radio to call in (illegal, war criminal) white phosphorus artillery rounds?
/direct fire if possible, just like they did (bogus MSM hissy fit) in Fallujah?
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JustMyView Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:57:00am |
re: #422 Sharmuta
So... joining a union means I sign over my right to think for myself?
No one said that.
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Aisha Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:57:04am |
Yes. Muslim paradox. Do we praise Hitler for killing the Jews, or do we say that it never happened? Was 9/11 a triumphant act of jihaad, or a sneaky act by the Sharonist Zionist Jew? Aisha gets so confused sometimes!
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BlueCanuck Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:58:21am |
re: #403 JustMyView
His union might endorse Nobama, that dosen't mean he has to. My dads union sponsered the NDP up here, but he always voted Conservative.
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Adina in Judea Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:58:36am |
re: #392 Lorenska
Oh, so true - you just KNOW he's ripping some poor campaign aide a new one..."how could you let that guy get near me, why didn't you stop me from talking, where was my teleprompter?". But what scares me most of all is, he's not really taking back what he said - he's just trying harder to sell the idea. He's not saying he misspoke, he MEANT he wants to redistribute Joe's income - he just thinks he can make everyone see what a wonderful idea it is, if only we'd listen to him.
Agreed!
It's like I said earlier - sharing sounds so nice, until you realize that sharing means giving away what you have (involuntarily, in Obama's world). And if you have less, then you hire less, and you buy less, and you spend less, and that means the business down the street makes less, and they then hire less, and they buy less, and so on and so on until capitalism is GONE. And by the way, where is my incentive to work and succeed if my paycheck is going to Bob the moron down the block? And if I have no incentive, how do you get me to work and be a productive citizen? And if no one has any incentive to be productive, how does anything get done? Isn't there a word for that? I think it starts with an S, didn't we outlaw it around the time of Lincoln....?
Obama doesn't understand that incentive plays a huge role in all this.
He thinks he can level everything out without having an impact on the productivity that is driven by things like competition and success.
Obama sees the current productivity levels as unshakable no matter how badly he bleeds productive people (while rewarding unproductive people.)
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:58:41am |
re: #425 JustMyView
Then why are you bringing up Joe's union endorsement?
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JustMyView Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:01:20am |
re: #423 TheMatrix31
You're saying that the union he's a part of (is that even confirmed, btw?) supports Obama. What the hell does it matter who his union supports? And if you're somehow implying that he's a hypocrite or should be associated with his union's view just because he's "part of" that union, that's bullshit. Why is it bullshit? Because Barack's associations have been downplayed and deemed irrelevant by people like you, and the media.
I have no idea whether he's a member of the union. Not sure how unions of independent tradesmen work. Perhaps you know. Are most plumbers members of a union?
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Adina in Judea Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:01:35am |
Aisha,
You are confusing me.
Please see my avatar.
/I think I understand, though. I am a smart Jewess. :)
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RTLM Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:01:40am |
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Killian Bundy Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:02:17am |
re: #403 JustMyView
I wonder whether Joe knows that his union endorsed Obama way back in January and, if so, what he thinks about that?
/just a guess, but he probably thinks the absolutely unAmerican concept of card check sucks big donkey dicks and I'm guessing if that turns out to be true you'll go away
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Intrepid Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:03:13am |
re: #420 Aisha
Aisha, MandyManners was calling for you a couple of days ago, yet you did not answer her.
Perhaps you could be persuaded to hang around tomorrow morning so that Mandy can converse with you?
/inshallah! dammit
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Alberta Oil Peon Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:03:21am |
re: #418 JustMyView
I don't understand what guilt by association has to do w/ the question I asked.
We will duly take note, and add that to the list of things you choose not to understand.
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JustMyView Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:03:28am |
re: #429 Sharmuta
Then why are you bringing up Joe's union endorsement?
Because, as my original post said, I'm curious about whether Joe knows about the endorsement and, if so, what he thinks about it. He's certainly not obligated to follow the union's endorsement, but it'd be interesting to hear his reasons for disagreeing w/ them.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:03:31am |
My my...what's this? Looks like I may have stumbled upon one reason certain unions have endorsed 0bama.
/So glad you brought that up, JustMyView
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solomonpanting Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:03:43am |
re: #403 JustMyView
I wonder whether Joe knows that his union endorsed Obama way back in January and, if so, what he thinks about that?
re: #430 JustMyView
I have no idea whether he's a member of the union. Not sure how unions of independent tradesmen work. Perhaps you know. Are most plumbers members of a union?
Well, you've covered all the bases here.
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redc1c4 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:04:41am |
re: #418 JustMyView
I don't understand
what guilt by association has to do w/ the question I asked.
fixed that for ya!
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:04:44am |
re: #430 JustMyView
I have no idea whether he's a member of the union. Not sure how unions of independent tradesmen work. Perhaps you know. Are most plumbers members of a union?
Don't know. Don't care. If there's no concrete link to him and this Union, you bringing it up is even more irrelevant than it would otherwise be.
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:04:58am |
re: #436 JustMyView
Because, as my original post said, I'm curious about whether Joe knows about the endorsement and, if so, what he thinks about it. He's certainly not obligated to follow the union's endorsement, but it'd be interesting to hear his reasons for disagreeing w/ them.
But then you admit you don't even know if he's a union member, so your entire premise is flawed.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:05:40am |
In honor of Joe the Plumber's comment that his encounter with Obama was a "tap dance...almost as good as Sammy Davis, Jr." I present this. Skip ahead to about seven minutes in for Obama's signature scene.
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redc1c4 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:07:15am |
re: #424 Killian Bundy
Why not just use your radio to call in (illegal, war criminal) white phosphorus artillery rounds?
/direct fire if possible, just like they did (bogus MSM hissy fit) in Fallujah?
as an old 11H10, i prefer to wait until he's inside my range fan then fly a TOW missile up his 4th point of contact.
/sure fire cure for hemorrhoids!
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BlueCanuck Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:07:42am |
re: #437 Fenway_Nation
I hope that abomination never gets passed. Personally I hate unions. Saw what they have done to my family, and others. Mind you there's good ones and bad ones. But overall the time of the union I believe is past. There is enough government legislation to protect the average worker that unions have become redundant. In fact most of them are bloated beauacracies that's only purpose is to further their self intrest. Not the workers.
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Outrider Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:07:50am |
re: #436 JustMyView
Because, as my original post said, I'm curious about whether Joe knows about the endorsement and, if so, what he thinks about it. He's certainly not obligated to follow the union's endorsement, but it'd be interesting to hear his reasons for disagreeing w/ them.
My guess is you would have to ask Joe the plumber
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:08:25am |
re: #430 JustMyView
I have no idea whether he's a member of the union. Not sure how unions of independent tradesmen work.
Yet you didn't hesitate to bring it up in order to imply that Joe was ignorant or being hypocritical.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:08:42am |
re: #443 redc1c4
Not to mention constipation as well.
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Moe Katz Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:10:25am |
re: #446 Fenway_Nation
Yet you didn't hesitate to bring it up in order to imply that Joe was ignorant or being hypocritical.
Maybe I missed the boat, but my impression was that if the union supported Obama it implied that Joe was less representative of the mindset of his occupational group---if not his class---than McCain would have it.
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Adina in Judea Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:12:38am |
re: #448 Moe Katz
Maybe I missed the boat, but my impression was that if the union supported Obama it implied that Joe was less representative of the mindset of his occupational group---if not his class---than McCain would have it.
When a union backs a candidate, isn't it the union bosses who do this?
In this case, Obama is promsing the unions that they would get non-secret ballots for union certifications if he becomes President.
I think this favors the union bosses rather than the union workers.
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Outrider Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:12:46am |
re: #441 Sharmuta
But then you admit you don't even know if he's a union member, so your entire premise is flawed.
He is self employed or business owner isn't he? Wasn't that the entire focus of Obamas remarks to him? Why would a manager or owner be union. (possibly for contracts maybe?)
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:13:17am |
re: #449 RTLM
Justmyview,
Joe Biden looks like a Klingon.
That is quite unfair to Klingons. They know an enemy when they see one and they a sense of honor. Neither on these traits applies to Joe Biden.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:13:20am |
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:13:47am |
re: #448 Moe Katz
Maybe I missed the boat, but my impression was that if the union supported Obama it implied that Joe was less representative of the mindset of his occupational group---if not his class---than McCain would have it.
No- if Joe belongs to that union, than all it means is that the union doesn't speak for Joe, and it might just be the union powers that be who are out of touch with the people they represent and not the other way around.
Might be why the unions are keen to to do away with secret ballots if they're aware that they and their own members are politically at odds.
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JustMyView Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:14:03am |
re: #446 Fenway_Nation
Yet you didn't hesitate to bring it up in order to imply that Joe was ignorant or being hypocritical.
No, you inferred that. I implied nothing of the sort. I'm just curious about what he'd have to say about the stance taken by the group that represents people in his trade.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:14:14am |
re: #448 Moe Katz
Yet a couple of dozen MacBeth or Podesta's get together for Winter Soldier 2 and it's supposed to be representative of the whole U.S. Military....
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Stonemason Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:14:24am |
re: #436 JustMyView
I am a reluctant member of the SEIU, who support Obama with more than just money.
I do not support Obama in any way.
Union membership should not mean a darn thing politically
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Adina in Judea Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:14:31am |
re: #449 RTLM
Joe Biden looks like a Klingon.
It's the botox and the hair plugs.
The combination is really severe in his case.
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Moe Katz Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:14:32am |
re: #450 Adina in Judea
When a union backs a candidate, isn't it the union bosses who do this?
In this case, Obama is promsing the unions that they would get non-secret ballots for union certifications if he becomes President.
I think this favors the union bosses rather than the union workers.
No, it favors both, because it is difficult to organize a workplace without a secret ballot due to fear of management reprisals.
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solomonpanting Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:15:02am |
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Killian Bundy Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:15:41am |
It's amazing how many times in this debate Lord Prsident For Life Obama says people can afford more taxes.
/WTF?
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Outrider Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:16:10am |
re: #443 redc1c4
as an old 11H10, i prefer to wait until he's inside my range fan then fly a TOW missile up his 4th point of contact.
/sure fire cure for hemorrhoids!
11H? Yep. Yet another MOS that has disappeared. Them non-electric pop-up targets (11B) now do it all.
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:16:23am |
Also- many trades offer you no choice. You have to join the union whether you want to or not. For example- I was a Teamster for awhile. I had no choice to join the Teamsters other than to not accept the job. The Teamsters never spoke for me and their opinion on who I should support with my vote meant nothing to me.
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Stonemason Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:16:59am |
re: #448 Moe Katz
No...union members do not necessarily support the candidates that the union elites support. Union elites are bought and paid members of the DNC, Dem politicians are bought and paid for members of the pro-union coalition...(I can get you proof of the bought and paid for stuff, but would have to then kill you).
We lowly union members just want to work.
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:18:23am |
re: #464 Stonemason
No...union members do not necessarily support the candidates that the union elites support. Union elites are bought and paid members of the DNC, Dem politicians are bought and paid for members of the pro-union coalition...(I can get you proof of the bought and paid for stuff, but would have to then kill you).
We lowly union members just want to work.
Exactly- and if members were to desire a change in leadership, a non-secret ballot would be a good way to make them think twice about real change they could believe in.
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Adina in Judea Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:18:27am |
re: #461 Killian Bundy
It's amazing how many times in this debate Lord Prsident For Life Obama says people can afford more taxes.
/WTF?
Lord Barry thinks that raising taxes and spreading the wealth around via socialism would be "better for everybody."
The socialist cat is out of the bag completely (at last.)
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BlueCanuck Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:18:58am |
re: #463 Sharmuta
I hear you there. I work in security, never seen a union rep, never gone to a meeting, don't remember signing a join up paper. But once a month they take their dues off my check.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:19:28am |
re: #455 JustMyView
I'm just curious about what he'd have to say about the stance taken by the group that represents people in his trade.
I imagine the Union higer-ups would have no problem with it. But like I said- between the proposed abolition of the secret ballot in union elections and 0bama's no-longer-veiled socialism starting to seep to the surface after being cuaght off-guard by a seemingly inevitable question, I'm thinking there's some 'buyer's endorsement remorse' from other parts......
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Stonemason Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:19:35am |
re: #459 Moe Katz
No, it favors both, because it is difficult to organize a workplace without a secret ballot due to fear of management reprisals.
BULLSHIT...I would be more intimidated by the people I work with everyday than the guys in suits. The rank and file are much more physically powerful, they know where I park, where I live.
secret ballots are safer for all.
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Moe Katz Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:19:44am |
re: #454 Sharmuta
No- if Joe belongs to that union, than all it means is that the union doesn't speak for Joe, and it might just be the union powers that be who are out of touch with the people they represent and not the other way around.
I gotta tell you, Sharmuta, my experience with unions in my socialist youth was that most of the rank-and-file think very similarly to their leaders, from whose ranks they are elected. There is a lot of social pressure there; think of zombie's essay and the bit about the Asch conformity experiments.
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:20:54am |
re: #467 BlueCanuck
I hear you there. I work in security, never seen a union rep, never gone to a meeting, don't remember signing a join up paper. But once a month they take their dues off my check.
Ponzi scheme for nothing but the leadership, Hon.
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Outrider Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:22:24am |
re: #455 JustMyView
No, you inferred that. I implied nothing of the sort. I'm just curious about what he'd have to say about the stance taken by the group that represents people in his trade.
Or at least the union leaderships stance. I have never seen nor heard of any general vote taken of the membership as to which candidate they prefer. The leadership always assumes its members will vote for the Democrat candidate.
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Stonemason Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:22:59am |
re: #470 Moe Katz
I gotta tell you, Sharmuta, my experience with unions in my socialist youth was that most of the rank-and-file think very similarly to their leaders, from whose ranks they are elected. There is a lot of social pressure there; think of zombie's essay and the bit about the Asch conformity experiments.
I am not going to guess your age, but now the union leaders are college grads that have never worked in the trades (with a few notable exceptions such as the carpenters in Philly)
All the SEIU leaders never pushed a broom or turned a wrench.
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:23:14am |
re: #470 Moe Katz
I gotta tell you, Sharmuta, my experience with unions in my socialist youth was that most of the rank-and-file think very similarly to their leaders, from whose ranks they are elected. There is a lot of social pressure there; think of zombie's essay and the bit about the Asch conformity experiments.
I'm sure there are plenty who still think like the union bosses want, but I think there is growing dissent from the ranks.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:24:11am |
re: #465 Sharmuta
Exactly- and if members were to desire a change in leadership, a non-secret ballot would be a good way to make them think twice about real change they could believe in.
/widespread card check is infinitely more dangerous in spreading nonessential unions like a cancer to shut down every grocery and retail store anywhere within 100 miles of where you currently live
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RTLM Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:24:25am |
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redc1c4 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:24:31am |
re: #447 BlueCanuck
Not to mention constipation as well.
it's amazing what a little HEAT will do for ya.....
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JustMyView Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:24:48am |
re: #472 Outrider
Or at least the union leaderships stance. I have never seen nor heard of any general vote taken of the membership as to which candidate they prefer. The leadership always assumes its members will vote for the Democrat candidate.
Right. I think there's usually some sort of committee or board that makes decisions about which candidates to endorse.
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HelloDare Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:24:58am |
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redc1c4 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:26:00am |
re: #457 Stonemason
I am a reluctant member of the SEIU, who support Obama with more than just money.
I do not support Obama in any way.
Union membership should not mean a darn thing politically
you can cut your dues so that your money isn't going to their PAC's......
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:26:20am |
re: #472 Outrider
When's the last time a labor union endorsed a republican?
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Outrider Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:26:44am |
re: #478 JustMyView
Right. I think there's usually some sort of committee or board that makes decisions about which candidates to endorse.
Sounds democratic as hell don't it?
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RTLM Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:26:47am |
pimf - Air Force 2
---> [Link: www.cloudster.com...]
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Intrepid Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:27:11am |
My dad was a Teamster - I remember reading the annual "prospectus" he got in the mail. I used to tease him about the "officers" having names like "Jimmy 'the rat' Scarpelli" and other unsavory sounding characters.
The teamsters were a great union, in their time.
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redc1c4 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:27:39am |
re: #462 Outrider
11H? Yep. Yet another MOS that has disappeared. Them non-electric pop-up targets (11B) now do it all.
well, i have the 11B MOS also.....
Harmony Church
Class of '83
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Moe Katz Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:27:42am |
re: #474 Sharmuta
I'm sure there are plenty who still think like the union bosses want, but I think there is growing dissent from the ranks.
I have no doubt you're right, and I imagine it varies a lot between different industries and geographical areas. I wouldn't want to overgeneralize.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:29:19am |
re: #481 Sharmuta
Does the Fraternal Order of Police count?
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Moe Katz Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:30:02am |
re: #484 Intrepid
My dad was a Teamster - I remember reading the annual "prospectus" he got in the mail. I used to tease him about the "officers" having names like "Jimmy 'the rat' Scarpelli" and other unsavory sounding characters.
The teamsters were a great union, in their time.
Was Jimmy Hoffa the leader at the time?
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Outrider Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:30:13am |
re: #481 Sharmuta
When's the last time a labor union endorsed a republican?
Have they ever? Ask them why the union employees (secretaries, clerks, drivers, janitors, warehouse men) are not permitted to be union.
Guess they don't want their labor walking out on them in a sympathy strike perhaps? lol
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JustMyView Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:30:28am |
re: #482 Outrider
Sounds democratic as hell don't it?
Doesn't sound so bad. I imagine the board is elected, so it's a case of representative democracy. Not much different than the way corporations relate to their shareholders.
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JimCap Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:31:48am |
I'm worried. Actually, I'm more than worried at this point. Conservatives are realists. We face facts. We don't go on our "feelings".
So, given that, how do we deal with these facts?
[Link: www.electoral-vote.com...]
Obama is way up even in some Bush states.
And for those of us who say, "But Kerry was up at this point four years ago!", I suggest you take a look at this:
[Link: www.electoral-vote.com...]
Face reality, folks. We'd be laughing at the Obama people if they were this far down and insisting they were still going to win this thing.
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Outrider Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:32:36am |
re: #485 redc1c4
well, i have the 11B MOS also.....
Harmony Church
Class of '83
Same here. 11B4PF7 as a secondary and 98Z5MPK3 as primary.
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Aisha Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:33:02am |
re: #431 Adina in Judea
Aisha,
You are confusing me.
Please see my avatar.
/I think I understand, though. I am a smart Jewess. :)
Wassallam, kufr, just repeat after Aisha, Zionazi infidel, "Ani me'id she'ein el chutz mi-Allah ve'Muhammad navi Allah!".
Allah Ha'gadol! Hoshi'ah et Aisha me'ha-ashlayot v'ha-kefirot shel ha-Yehudim ve'ha-Tzionim!
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Intrepid Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:33:16am |
re: #488 Moe Katz
Was Jimmy Hoffa the leader at the time?
No, but the subsequent presidents all seemed to get some time in jail. Frank Fitzsimmons, Roy Williams...
Yikes.
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:33:39am |
re: #487 Fenway_Nation
Does the Fraternal Order of Police count?
Not really, in my mind, no. Not so much labor as it is public service.
re: #489 Outrider
Have they ever? Ask them why the union employees (secretaries, clerks, drivers, janitors, warehouse men) are not permitted to be union.
Guess they don't want their labor walking out on them in a sympathy strike perhaps? lol
LOL- great point.
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Moe Katz Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:35:04am |
re: #494 Intrepid
No, but the subsequent presidents all seemed to get some time in jail. Frank Fitzsimmons, Roy Williams...
Yikes.
I guess they achieved things for their membership, though. Gangsters though they were...
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Killian Bundy Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:35:50am |
re: #478 JustMyView
Right. I think there's usually some sort of committee or board that makes decisions about which candidates to endorse.
Why do yo embarrass yourself by still commenting here? You're sole purpose is to lick up to Obama and you're not changing any minds. Your lickster is currently winning, so just get the [expletive deleted] out of here!
/you wouldn't know what a union was even after it duct taped and held your head to the ground, forcibly pulled out your lower intestinal tract, washed it's hands, and called it a day
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JustMyView Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:36:18am |
re: #495 Sharmuta
Not really, in my mind, no. Not so much labor as it is public service.
Police unions are still unions, with everything that implies. I'm not an expert, but my impression is that they're very powerful. Dealing w/ municipal unions is a big part of what mayors do.
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:36:53am |
re: #491 JimCap
Look, Eeyore- I'm tired of this shit. Go play at malkin's or something.
Because conceding the election now is a 100% certain way to defeat, m'kay?
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redc1c4 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:37:50am |
re: #492 Outrider
Same here. 11B4PF7 as a secondary and 98Z5MPK3 as primary.
show off..... in all my 20 years i never got past being a -10 in anything, and didn't ever get an ASI either.
however, when i got out, i *was* the Specialist of the Army. %-)
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Moe Katz Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:38:21am |
re: #499 Sharmuta
Look, Eeyore- I'm tired of this shit. Go play at malkin's or something.
Because conceding the election now is a 100% certain way to defeat, m'kay?
You're right, Sharmuta, he's ba-a-a-ack
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Killian Bundy Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:38:32am |
re: #498 JustMyView
Police unions are still unions, with everything that implies. I'm not an expert
Do yourself a big favor.
/LEAVE NOW!
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JustMyView Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:39:02am |
re: #500 Sharmuta
Uh- I asked about labor unions.
But what's the conceptual or practical difference? Police officers are laborers, as are we all. What makes a union a union isn't the kind of work the members do. It's the kind of relationship they have to each other and to management.
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Intrepid Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:39:21am |
It is time for bologna and crackers. Yes, it has come to that, my friends.
brb
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:39:28am |
re: #499 Sharmuta
Look, Eeyore- I'm tired of this shit. Go play at malkin's or something.
Because conceding the election now is a 100% certain way to defeat, m'kay?
I've only been a regular poster for a little while and I'm sick of them too. I'm very short tempered. While the reality is in my mind, this constant pessimistic agitator bullshit is really grinding my gears.
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Outrider Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:40:44am |
re: #501 redc1c4
show off..... in all my 20 years i never got past being a -10 in anything, and didn't ever get an ASI either.
however, when i got out, i *was* the Specialist of the Army. %-)
I was a sucker for volunteering. I got sent to a lot of schools and deployments that others didn't want. It all paid off in the end.
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RTLM Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:41:16am |
Oh / BTW,
Barack Obama is not Robin Hood.
Robin Hood took BACK from the sheriff of Nottingham.
Not the other way.
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alien_mind Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:41:34am |
re: #403 JustMyView
I wonder whether Joe knows that his union endorsed Obama way back in January and, if so, what he thinks about that?
i'm sure he knows that and is quite pissed. you see Joe seems to think for himself. shocking revelation though, that a union would support BO.
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:42:31am |
re: #504 JustMyView
What's the conceptual or practical difference between a democrat and a socialist?
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Spirit93 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:42:45am |
re: #491 JimCap
1. You are treading on thin ice.
2. The only poll that counts is the one on Nov 4.
3. Go read this: Zombie: The Left's Big Blunder
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redc1c4 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:43:51am |
re: #507 Outrider
I was a sucker for volunteering. I got sent to a lot of schools and deployments that others didn't want. It all paid off in the end.
well, the NG rarely has the $ for that, and when they do, only the fair haired are chosen..... at least where i was.
btw: what is the F7 ASI and what's a 98Z?
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littleoldlady Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:44:20am |
"Senator Government"! LOL!
/and that's the NICEST thing one could say about him! ;-)
GO PHILLIES!
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rancher Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:44:50am |
re: #474 Sharmuta
I'm sure there are plenty who still think like the union bosses want, but I think there is growing dissent from the ranks.
Expect it to continue growing as unions recruit more and more illegals.
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Outrider Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:46:14am |
re: #513 redc1c4
well, the NG rarely has the $ for that, and when they do, only the fair haired are chosen..... at least where i was.
btw: what is the F7 ASI and what's a 98Z?
F7 is Pathfinder. A 98Z is Senior Intelligence NCO. Some intell MOSs convert into 98Z when E8 is reached. In my case 05H (morse interceptor/electronic warfare).
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Mr. Sandman Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:49:41am |
re: #370 zombie
Well, first of all the CBS news poll I referenced took a random sample of uncommitted voters, so it's not an invalid, unscientific poll as you suggest. There is also non-scientific online poll that anyone who goes to their website can choose to participate in, but that's a separate operation than the poll I referenced.
I was just went back here one last time to check the responses to my post after doing some work before hitting the sack for tonight, and so I don't feel like reading through your essay right now. There's no real "grand motivation" for my posting here, I just want to see how some folks with some opposing world views will react to my arguments, if some will give coherent arguments against mine, and how virulent some may possibly get. I guess if there is some other motivation from what you list, it would be the "try to get you to surrender and give up hope and not bother vote" option, though realistically I realize I'm not going to dishearten enough people through these posts to have any impact. So my main point is not that, but simply to see how folks on websites like these would react to facts they may not be aware of, due to tunnel vision.
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rancher Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:51:20am |
re: #512 Moe Katz
I like feeding trolls, sharpens my wits for when I go after my lib family members. However one time posters are a waste of even my time.
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JustMyView Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:53:43am |
Looks like Joe will not be voting this year.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:54:05am |
re: #514 littleoldlady
Morning littleoldlady. How's things in Philly?
/*snicker*
//don't ask why. :)
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redc1c4 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:54:23am |
re: #517 Mr. Sandman
Well, first of all the CBS news poll I referenced took a random sample of uncommitted voters, so it's not an invalid, unscientific poll as you suggest. There is also non-scientific online poll that anyone who goes to their website can choose to participate in, but that's a separate operation than the poll I referenced.
I was just went back here one last time to check the responses to my post after doing some work before hitting the sack for tonight, and so I don't feel like reading through your essay right now. There's no real "grand motivation" for my posting here, I just want to see how some folks with some opposing world views will react to my arguments, if some will give coherent arguments against mine, and how virulent some may possibly get. I guess if there is some other motivation from what you list, it would be the "try to get you to surrender and give up hope and not bother vote" option, though realistically I realize I'm not going to dishearten enough people through these posts to have any impact. So my main point is not that, but simply to see how folks on websites like these would react to facts they may not be aware of, due to tunnel vision.
and thus it admits it's a troll.
(and a lame one at that. %-)
i sense a swinging stick in 5, 4, 3...........
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littleoldlady Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:55:54am |
re: #521 BlueCanuck
BlueCanuck! :-)
snicker?
Good thing I'm not living on the other side of the state. I'd hate to be a racist.
/in addition to bitterly clinging to my guns and bible...
GO PHILLIES!
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BlueCanuck Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:56:12am |
re: #522 redc1c4
and thus it admits it's a troll.
(and a lame one at that. %-)
i sense a swinging stick in 5, 4, 3...........
Not yet, I just got the coals down to a nice even glow.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:57:18am |
re: #523 littleoldlady
Inside joke in the real world.
/all I am going to say.
//nothing to do with your precious Phillies.
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Spirit93 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:57:38am |
re: #519 TheMatrix31
Bias? What bias?
Unfrikenbelievable.
That whole meme that all O has to do to win is sit there like a dummy. Man I hate the MSM.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:58:37am |
Do your union "employees" work 4-10 hours a week and then fly home to their condos in Florida? I'm still not sure that's been totally busted. It took tenacity to break that particular union where I was and it eventually worked out well for everyone. And I refused to go work in Chicago. State Street baby, did your district manager ever sport a machine gun?
/I pity the fools trying to get proper concrete in Boston, the Big Dig is already collapsing, New York/New Jersey garbage colection anyone?
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littleoldlady Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:59:06am |
re: #528 Spirit93
That whole meme that all O has to do to win is sit there like a dummy
Why would this be different than the rest of his campaign? That's what's been happening all along. Obama just IS.
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littleoldlady Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:00:09am |
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------->
Help yourselves!
GO PHILLIES!
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Intrepid Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:00:30am |
re: #527 Sharmuta
You missed an Eeyore.
No, I saw the eyeore - I just chose to ignore 'em. Tired of their crap.
I'm still gonna plug away with my Mac/Sarah schtick, and see who else is on the same page.
I'm looking forward to a Joe the Plumber ad for Mac/Sarah....
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redc1c4 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:00:33am |
re: #531 littleoldlady
Why would this be different than the rest of his campaign? That's what's been happening all along. Obama just IS.
kinda like fruitcup in a way......
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:00:47am |
Oh look....littleoldlady got some fruitcup shaped like the stylized 'P' in the Phillies logo.
/What's the occasion?
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Mr. Sandman Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:01:30am |
re: #359 Sharmuta
Well, the best thing to do when you have conflicting polls, and no information that one or more of the conflicting polls is flawed, is to average (perhaps weighted by sample size) the poll numbers. I'm not going to bother doing that right now, for the separate groups, etc., but I'm confident that since Obama's win in the CBS and CNN polls were so substantial, that accurately doing the averages with the correct groups from the Politico poll and the other polls will still yield a solid win for Obama in this debate.
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redc1c4 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:02:49am |
re: #535 Fenway_Nation
Oh look....littleoldlady got some fruitcup shaped like the stylized 'P' in the Phillies logo.
/What's the occasion?
"p" is for psychedelic.....
(it's the peyote! %-)
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:03:10am |
re: #532 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------->
Help yourselves!GO PHILLIES!
I'm a Braves fan, but thanks!
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Intrepid Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:03:13am |
Thanks for the fruit cup, Little old lady! You come through with the goods every time!
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littleoldlady Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:03:57am |
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redc1c4 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:04:14am |
re: #537 Mr. Sandman
Well, the best thing to do when you have conflicting polls, and no information that one or more of the conflicting polls is flawed, is to average (perhaps weighted by sample size) the poll numbers. I'm not going to bother doing that right now, for the separate groups, etc., but I'm confident that since Obama's win in the CBS and CNN polls were so substantial, that accurately doing the averages with the correct groups from the Politico poll and the other polls will still yield a solid win for Obama in this debate.
except that "winning" the debates is meaningless in the scheme of things.
(kinda like you posting your bullshit here. %-)
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littleoldlady Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:04:59am |
Matrix! :-)
Did you finish your homework?
Intrepid!
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:05:22am |
re: #537 Mr. Sandman
But there is information that the polls are flawed. They are over sampling democrats when in the last 20 years party identification has only favored democrats by 3-4%. Suddenly party ID is is a 25% difference?! I don't think so. But continue on your merry little way thinking these polls are "scientific".
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Intrepid Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:05:22am |
How sad that Mr Sandman cannot acknowledge LOL and fruit cup, but insists on perpetuating some ridiculous theories he/she has.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:06:10am |
re: #544 littleoldlady
Matrix! :-)
Did you finish your homework?
Intrepid!
Yep. Finished around 3:30am last night. The assignment due tomorrow (or, later today for you) got postponed til Tuesday.
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redc1c4 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:07:19am |
well hell..... once again it's after 0200, and i'm still awake.
"i'll only log in for a few minutes......." wtf was i thinking? %-)
hasta y'all.......
L8r!
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IslandLibertarian Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:09:14am |
re: #547 Sharmuta
Sharm,
were you able to copy the NOeeyore image?
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:09:17am |
Mr. Sandman... lives in a dream
Where party ID is more than it seems....
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littleoldlady Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:09:45am |
Intrepid! :-)
/forgot your smiley ;-)
//need more coffee!
Sharmuta! :-)
Thankyew! :-)
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:09:53am |
re: #551 IslandLibertarian
I did save it, but was unable to change my avatar to it. I think it must be too big, but click my nic!
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Intrepid Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:10:18am |
Can anyone tell me what "sukkhot" is? What kind of holiday is it? Am I even mentioning the right holiday?
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BlueCanuck Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:10:58am |
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IslandLibertarian Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:11:14am |
cool..........you owe me........it was not as easy as I thought it would be
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mountman Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:11:52am |
re: #363 Killian Bundy
My dad came home from WWII and never talked about it. However, even
as a small child, there was a large encyclopidia set of red bound books
on the bookshelf. It was a photographic history of WWII, each page of
each volume contained an official U.S. 8" x10" B&W photo of
something absolutely historic or, more often, absolutely horrific. The
only things missing were the color, smell, and sound. I was never
discouraged from going through those volumes repeatedly./they
were destroyed in a house fire when I was a teenager, I've always
regretted never to be able to figure out the title of that series of
volumes, everyone should have to look at it
I grew up with that set, also. It consists of 11 volumes, entitled "Pictorial History of the Second World War," published by Wm. H. Wise & Co, starting in 1944. I have the entire set, still, and it is indeed horrific. My folks thought I ought to learn the reality of war, and I started looking at those photos when I was 5.
Re: Lorenska
Re: Surferdoc
I live 1 hr N of Edward AFB just outside the Naval Base at China Lake, CA. Worked there for 35 yrs as a civilian, conjuring up ways to beat the Russkies. Retired in '94. Maybe looking at all those WWII pics changed my whole life.
(Incidently, there are only really 3 hot mos here in the High Desert, from mid June to mid Sept. The rest of the year is perfect for 4x4ing, hiking, smog free living, skiing, star gazing,...; I am still fully engaged here after 48 years)
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:12:15am |
re: #558 IslandLibertarian
You already have my undying gratitude. I will figure out some way to repay you.
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akak Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:13:03am |
re: #532 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------->
Help yourselves!GO PHILLIES!
Too bad your gonna lose Pat Gillick as GM of your Phillies. He always does this though, build a great team then leave.
Greatest GM in a long time I believe.
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RTLM Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:13:16am |
Secret Service says "Kill him" allegation unfounded
SCRANTON – The agent in charge of the Secret Service field office in Scranton said allegations that someone yelled “kill him” when presidential hopeful Barack Obama’s name was mentioned during Tuesday’s Sarah Palin rally are unfounded.
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IslandLibertarian Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:14:30am |
re: #560 Sharmuta
ok.........but now I must sleep.....11:15 here.....work early tomorrow.....
'nite 'tiles
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littleoldlady Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:15:02am |
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littleoldlady Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:16:24am |
re: #565 littleoldlady
Lousy link. Sorry! Click through to main page then click on "Sukkot".
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Intrepid Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:17:52am |
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littleoldlady Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:18:08am |
re: #561 akak
akak! :-)
Listen, we are EARLY going to the Super Bowl World Series by my calculations. I didn't expect us to be there until 2010!
/we'll take it, any way we can...
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RTLM Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:19:13am |
re: #564 Intrepid
Obama lie from tonight's debate #1.
And read further - [Link: www.timesleader.com...]
News organizations including ABC, The Associated Press, The Washington Monthly and MSNBC’s Countdown with Keith Olbermann reported the claim, with most attributing the allegations to the Times-Tribune story.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:20:24am |
When you dig down, nonessential unions equal organized crime, maybe you don't recognize it in terms of "mafia", but it's still organized crime, same gravy train on the public's back.
/you barely have to scratch the surface
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:22:15am |
re: #510 Sharmuta
What's the conceptual or practical difference between a democrat and a socialist?
JMV- I'm really disappointed that you didn't take a crack at this.
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littleoldlady Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:22:56am |
re: #567 Intrepid
Yes, Sukkot is one of the "festival" holidays. It celebrates the fall harvest, and observant Jews build a "sukkah" (open air room) on their property and at the very least have their meals in it, much like a family would live in the fields during the harvest in biblical times.
This time of year we've got non-stop holidays from Rosh Hashana to Simhat Torah.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:23:34am |
re: #559 mountman
I grew up with that set, also. It consists of 11 volumes, entitled "Pictorial History of the Second World War," published by Wm. H. Wise & Co, starting in 1944. I have the entire set, still, and it is indeed horrific. My folks thought I ought to learn the reality of war, and I started looking at those photos when I was 5.
I bookmarked that and I'll get back to you if it's the same.
/sounds about right though
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Intrepid Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:26:09am |
My eyeballs are begging to be covered over for an extended amount of time, and I'm sick and damned tired of the Rug Doctor infomercial. No Billy Mays there, sadly for Rug Doctor.
Good night, all! Remember - Mac and Sarah will win this thing because they are the right leaders for the right time.
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RTLM Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:30:53am |
Saw this elsewhere - too good not to share.
Homo Stupiducus -
Society today is composed of two distinct species. The first, Homo sapiens...what we consider to be normal intelligent logical people who understand cause and effect, people that understand nothing is free and everthing costs something.
The second species is Homo Stupidicus. This species believes that they are entiteled to have all the wonderful things in life but that they should not have to work for it. The believe that they should not have to risk anything but still reap success. They believe that government can create money out of thin air and should give it to everyone that doesn’t have enough.
Homo Stupidicus has grown, prospered and bred to become a majority of the populace because Homo Sapiens had a minor brain fart and created welfare, social security and modern medicine. Prior to these inventions Homo Stupidicus rarely lived long enough to breed.
We have shortcircuited the filter in the gene pool....Homo Stupidicus is now breeding rampantly and has reached a critical mass where the members of this species outnumber Homo Sapiens. They continue to demand more and more from the productive species while becoming less and less capable of self control, self direction, self reliance and at times self awareness.
The two species are virtually indistinguishable physically. You cannot determine which species you are confronted with by simply looking at them. You have to listen to them to find out whether they are sapient...intelligent, or stupidicus. Homo Stupidicus will invariably make their presence know by the socialistic bleatings they utter.
Most Homo Sapiens are politically conservative or independent. Homo Stupidicus is almost exclusively liberal or apolitical....meaning they don’t care who is in charge as long as the food stamps and welfare check shows up every month.
I can tell.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:31:24am |
Night Intrepid, enjoy your eyelid inspection.
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JustMyView Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:32:34am |
re: #571 Sharmuta
JMV- I'm really disappointed that you didn't take a crack at this.
I was similarly disappointed that you didn't take a crack at describing the difference between a union of police officers and any other kind of union. That was, in fact, the topic of the conversation we were having.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:36:10am |
re: #559 mountman
I grew up with that set, also. It consists of 11 volumes, entitled "Pictorial History of the Second World War," published by Wm. H. Wise & Co, starting in 1944. I have the entire set, still, and it is indeed horrific. My folks thought I ought to learn the reality of war, and I started looking at those photos when I was 5.
Oh, and thanks profusely.
/you may have solved a 35+ year mystery for me, I'm saving the research until I'm sober tomorrow
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Killian Bundy Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:38:33am |
re: #579 JustMyView
I was similarly disappointed that you didn't take a crack at describing the difference between a union of police officers and any other kind of union. That was, in fact, the topic of the conversation we were having.
It's degrees of extortion.
/are you still here?
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Tamron Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:40:38am |
re: #52 opnion
Unbelieveable campaign! Rampant voter fraud, MSM partisanship, Obama Campaign attempts at prior restraint from criticism, vandalism against those with McCain bumper stickers & yard signs. What would an Obama presidency be like?
"Back to the Future", Part II.
.
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:43:15am |
re: #579 JustMyView
I didn't answer you because I don't believe you can't tell the difference between a labor union and a municipal employee's union. If you truly cannot tell the difference, then I don't think there is anything I could say that would help you.
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Tamron Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:44:10am |
re: #553 littleoldlady
Intrepid! :-)
/forgot your smiley ;-)
//need more coffee!Sharmuta! :-)
Thankyew! :-)
LittleYoungGal! Heidi, y'all!
.
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mountman Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:44:17am |
re: #580 Killian Bundy
Oh, and thanks profusely.
/you may have solved a 35+ year mystery for me, I'm saving the research until I'm sober tomorrow
My pleasure Killian. Glad to help with any further info.
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:44:34am |
re: #579 JustMyView
And- I didn't say anything to you about police officer's unions. You injected yourself into my reply to Fenway, who didn't seem to have a problem with my answer.
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yma o hyd Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:46:34am |
Hi Lizard Nation - I still have to read your comments on the debate, but think you'll like this poster ...
Its from hillbuzz - and you gotta thank Sharmuta for providing us all with links to that site!
(If its been posted already - forgive me!)
((Back to reading now ...))
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Stonemason Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:47:26am |
re: #517 Mr. Sandman
Tunnel vision? When one is confronted day after day, from source after source with the exact information you tend to bring up, how can you argue that our presenting an opposing view denotes tunnel vision?
Do you head into the swamps of kos or du and play the same game?
if not, why not?
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JustMyView Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:48:01am |
re: #583 Sharmuta
I didn't answer you because I don't believe you can't tell the difference between a labor union and a municipal employee's union. If you truly cannot tell the difference, then I don't think there is anything I could say that would help you.
They both look like labor unions to me. I'm pretty sure that's how mayors think of them. If you want to convince me there's a difference, you'll have to explain what it is. It's not fair to dismiss me by saying, "if you can't tell the difference," when you haven't made the slightest effort to explain.
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littleoldlady Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:48:56am |
yma o hyd! :-)
More apropos - "I am not a crook!"
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RTLM Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:54:25am |
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Killian Bundy Thu, Oct 16, 2008 2:59:13am |
Asian markets tumble; Nikkei falls 10 percent
This sucks.
/give it your best, I've still got at least three years to outwait your irrational fear out and depending who you like, tempt fate!
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armaros Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:01:59am |
"Kill Him" Yell a lie according to the Secret Service present at the Palin rally in question.
[Link: www.timesleader.com...]
Of course the MSN had it all over the presses. ...Shocked....Not.....
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littleoldlady Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:03:37am |
re: #593 Killian Bundy
Killian,
What do you think of Huckabee's suggestion that there *may* be "economic terrorism" involved here?
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:04:47am |
re: #587 yma o hyd
Actually- I think Hillbuzz stole it from LGF. That same poster appeared here right after the debate.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:05:54am |
re: #582 Tamron
"Back to the Future", Part II.
.
Marty: "It's like we're in hell or something."
Doc: "No no, it's Hill Valley although I can't imagine HELL being much worse!"
-----Back to the Future Trilogy are my favorite movies of all time.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:08:54am |
re: #595 littleoldlady
Killian,
What do you think of Huckabee's suggestion that there *may* be "economic terrorism" involved here?
/different concept, provide evidence, with 19 days to go, precision is the watchword
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:10:06am |
re: #595 littleoldlady
Killian,
What do you think of Huckabee's suggestion that there *may* be "economic terrorism" involved here?
What do you mean "economic terrorism"?
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littleoldlady Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:13:13am |
re: #600 TheMatrix31
Huckabee was on Fox a few days ago and said that according to somebody he knew (who was qualified to know what he was talking about) the fact that the stock market seemingly took a steep dive every day, late in the day was somehow purposely engineered.
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RTLM Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:13:46am |
re: #593 Killian Bundy
Asian markets tumble; Nikkei falls 10 percent
This sucks.
/give it your best, I've still got at least three years to outwait your irrational fear out and depending who you like, tempt fate!
How effing ironic, all this.
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Shug Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:14:27am |
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:15:02am |
re: #601 littleoldlady
Huckabee was on Fox a few days ago and said that according to somebody he knew (who was qualified to know what he was talking about) the fact that the stock market seemingly took a steep dive every day, late in the day was somehow purposely engineered.
**sigh**, I wouldn't be surprised.
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:15:35am |
re: #590 JustMyView
You can't tell the difference between a union whose employees put their life on the line every time they punch in on the clock and a union whose members have more traditional jobs?
I suppose I could concede the point to you if I thought every person who collected a paycheck was a "laborer", but since I don't think every job is equal, I can't.
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yma o hyd Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:16:02am |
re: #596 Sharmuta
Actually- I think Hillbuzz stole it from LGF. That same poster appeared here right after the debate.
Sorree - I'm still whizzing through the debate threads (wow, Lizards rock!), and have to vanish now for a bit.
I'll leave you with this little gem from today's early morning 'BBC Breakfast' TV chat: after the usual biased crap from a BBC reporter (yep, B0 won, heh), the two chat hosts were looking at each other and looking around, asking, 'who is this Joe-the Plumber?'! On camera!
Gotta go - BBL!
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:17:08am |
Well guys, I was planning on going into business after I get out of UCLA, but I guess I can't make more than $250,000!
$249,999 is okay, though.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:17:56am |
re: #600 TheMatrix31
What do you mean "economic terrorism"?
/for selling what's not legally allowed if the SEC was paying attention or you're not allowed to take your chances tomorrow
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Shug Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:20:09am |
This ignorant fool says it all
From sharmuta's link in the spinoffs, the Joe the Plumber Interview
How can he not know where Obama stands? Obama kept having to repeat himself continually on what he intends to do. Democrats are for the working class. Republicans for BIG business. Also it wont matter who is voted in taxes will have be raised how can we lower our national debt. Obama wants the higher income to pay for it because they can afford to pay more then the middle class.
Idiot
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littleoldlady Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:20:19am |
re: #607 TheMatrix31
I cannot tell you how many times I've heard from supposedly knowledgeable people, "But I don't make over $250,000, so I won't pay more taxes."
/idjots
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NC State of Mind Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:21:02am |
re: #607 TheMatrix31
Well guys, I was planning on going into business after I get out of UCLA, but I guess I can't make more than $250,000!
$249,999 is okay, though.
Good morning Lizards! Has anyone fact checked BO's sorry ass on this statement. I have checked Factcheck.org after the last two debates and-nothing. I call bullshit that only 2% of small businesses make over 250k.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:21:19am |
re: #612 littleoldlady
I cannot tell you how many times I've heard from supposedly knowledgeable people, "But I don't make over $250,000, so I won't pay more taxes."
/idjots
And what do you tell them? That these businesses will just transfer their extra tax onto consumers?
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rightside Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:23:45am |
re: #613 NC State of Mind
Rush read the other day about this very thing. It was astounding how many types of businesses there are that would qualify as a small business only if they made X amount of dollars...most were in the 7 to 21 million range!
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:24:54am |
re: #603 Shug
This is what happens when people pay more attention to American Idol than American government.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:25:58am |
Rush Explains Obama's Tax Stuff
Interesting read.
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RTLM Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:27:36am |
Yes, 1976. The conclusion of an unpopular war. An grinning, idealistic Democrat candidate vs. a boring bald RINO.
With a bright light (Reagan) shining up toward a city on a hill (Palin).
Ah - parallels.
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Shug Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:28:15am |
re: #618 Sharmuta
This is what happens when people pay more attention to American Idol than American government.
yep.
I'll bet you that 90% of the people who flunked that quiz can name all 3 judges on American Idol.
And when asked what are their thoughts about the Fed cutting interest rates, they assume you are talking about K. Fed
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goddessoftheclassroom Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:29:03am |
If the the government giveth, the government can taketh away. Be able to support yourself and being resilient enough with a solid base of skills it how people succeed.
I've also thought that EVERY citizen should pay some nominal percentage of income since everyone enjoys the protection of the USA. If everyone paid 10% (like in Monopoly), the "rich" would still pay more.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:29:44am |
re: #621 Shug
yep.
I'll bet you that 90% of the people who flunked that quiz can name all 3 judges on American Idol.And when asked what are their thoughts about the Fed cutting interest rates, they assume you are talking about K. Fed
Unfortunately, that douchebag went to my middle school.
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Shug Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:30:39am |
re: #623 TheMatrix31
Unfortunately, that douchebag went to my middle school.
Is that as far as he went?
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rightside Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:31:56am |
re: #622 goddessoftheclassroom
Exactly! If you make 10X more than someone you should pay 10 times more in taxes, not 30 times more!
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JustMyView Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:32:31am |
re: #603 Shug
That's a very odd conclusion to draw from that news story. The story clearly says that levels of knowledge are similar among people across the ideological spectrum. These are bone-headed questions, but people who follow Hannity and Colmes are not, in general, more likely to know the answers than readers of The New Yorker.
The article has something to say about our collective ignorance, but I don't think it has anything to say about the knowledge levels of people who support different candidates.
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littleoldlady Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:32:38am |
re: #615 TheMatrix31
I thank them in advance for supporting me in the next few years.
I tell them that this will negate any tax breaks they MAY see at the beginning of Obama's term.
Then, if all else fails, yes I do try to explain how capitalism works - how the Obama plan will cause a massive loss of jobs and a huge reduction of tax dollars into the government's coffers. Meanwhile, Obama has refused to concede he'll need to cut back on his multi-billion dollar programs, regardless of the current economic conditions.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:32:50am |
re: #622 goddessoftheclassroom
I know one gentleman here in Canada that pays the government around $50,000 a month in taxes. I don't know what his tax rate is but that's the facts.
/I want to be there someday too. :)
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Shug Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:34:06am |
I have a great Idea. Let's take Obama's plans to their logical end. Let's increase the top marginal tax rate to 100%.
Think of all the money the govt will make when the super wealthy work the last 11 months a year to pay taxes
/
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:34:25am |
re: #613 NC State of Mind
Good morning Lizards! Has anyone fact checked BO's sorry ass on this statement. I have checked Factcheck.org after the last two debates and-nothing. I call bullshit that only 2% of small businesses make over 250k.
It is bullshit. I researched it myself.
According to the latest Internal Revenue Service data, $706 billion of pass-through business income was reported in 2006. Of this, two-thirds was earned in households making more than $250,000 -- households on which Obama has said he will raise taxes.
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goddessoftheclassroom Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:35:11am |
{littleoldlady}!
So glad to be able to say hi!
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NC State of Mind Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:35:50am |
re: #625 rightside
I would be willing to bet that a large portion of the populace would hear "The rich pay 17%, the poor pay 17%, the middle class pay 17%" and then not understand that the amount, in dollars, would be far greater for the rich. We lack critical thinking. All many people know of Obama is a one word platform: CHANGE!
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littleoldlady Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:36:01am |
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:36:26am |
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Scion9 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:37:00am |
re: #436 JustMyView
Because, as my original post said, I'm curious about whether Joe knows about the endorsement and, if so, what he thinks about it. He's certainly not obligated to follow the union's endorsement, but it'd be interesting to hear his reasons for disagreeing w/ them.
Didn't the US Steelworker's union recently enter into some kind of deal with a Euro labor union with the stated goal of 'fighting international capitalism'?
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:38:03am |
More on 0bama's business tax policies
[Link: money.cnn.com...]
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Shug Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:38:18am |
re: #626 JustMyView
That's a very odd conclusion to draw from that news story. The story clearly says that levels of knowledge are similar among people across the ideological spectrum. These are bone-headed questions, but people who follow Hannity and Colmes are not, in general, more likely to know the answers than readers of The New Yorker.
Colbert Report, CNN, Letterman/Leno viewers are the democratic base.
and they scored lower
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NC State of Mind Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:40:34am |
re: #630 Sharmuta
It absolutley kills me that he and Biden are not taken to task for these lies and that Troopergate is top of the fold news.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:41:29am |
re: #640 NC State of Mind
It absolutley kills me that he and Biden are not taken to task for these lies and that Troopergate is top of the fold news.
To be fair, I haven't heard anything about Troopergate since that night the report came out. After that, nothing.
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JustMyView Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:42:21am |
re: #638 Shug
Colbert Report, CNN, Letterman/Leno viewers are the democratic base.
and they scored lower
The publications at the top of the list are also favored by liberals. Obama is favored by college-educated voters. If I were you, I don't think I would go too far in making arguments about the relative intellectual achievements of McCain supporters vs. Obama supporters.
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opnion Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:43:15am |
Good Morning all! Could Obama have had anymore of a mocking smirik.
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JustMyView Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:43:31am |
re: #636 Scion9
Didn't the US Steelworker's union recently enter into some kind of deal with a Euro labor union with the stated goal of 'fighting international capitalism'?
Seems unlikely, but I have no idea.
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rightside Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:45:24am |
re: #633 NC State of Mind
I would have to agree with that. It's a sad state of affairs that quite a portion of the electorate is ignorant when it comes to such things. The democrats, and to some extent republicans, rely on that fact. It's how they have power.
Over decades, trillions of dollars have been extracted from those who produce, and given to those who do not. Has there been an improvement in everyone's lives? No. Yet year after year, decade after decade, the ignorant choose the same people over, and over, and over again.
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opnion Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:46:25am |
Game Six of the World Series is sheduled for 10/29 & that is the same night as Barrys half hour media buy. Get this, MLB & Fox have a greeed to delay the start of the game up to a half hour to avoid conflict!
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:47:16am |
re: #651 opnion
Game Six of the World Series is sheduled for 10/29 & that is the same night as Barrys half hour media buy. Get this, MLB & Fox have a greeed to delay the start of the game up to a half hour to avoid conflict!
I've heard about this, I just don't get it.
What is a media buy? Does this mean he's going to have a half hour commercial running on the four major networks at the same time?
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Scion9 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:47:24am |
re: #646 JustMyView
Seems unlikely, but I have no idea.
Yes, they did. Gotta find the link. They also took a case to the supreme court challenging NAFTA, because they wanted industry specific Protectionism.
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yesandno Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:47:40am |
re: #644 JustMyView
The publications at the top of the list are also favored by liberals. Obama is favored by college-educated voters. If I were you, I don't think I would go too far in making arguments about the relative intellectual achievements of McCain supporters vs. Obama supporters.
College educated these days doesn't necessarily relate to "intellectual achievements".
For example, no doubt you have a college education?
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Shug Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:48:21am |
re: #644 JustMyView
The publications at the top of the list are also favored by liberals. Obama is favored by college-educated voters. If I were you, I don't think I would go too far in making arguments about the relative intellectual achievements of McCain supporters vs. Obama supporters.
It's a biased sample in terms of size.
A small number score high.
A large number score low
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opnion Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:49:43am |
re: #654 TheMatrix31
I've heard about this, I just don't get it.
What is a media buy? Does this mean he's going to have a half hour commercial running on the four major networks at the same time?
I guess, something like that. I don't believe that it is all four major networks, but just two. I could be wrong about that.
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NC State of Mind Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:49:50am |
re: #644 JustMyView
The publications at the top of the list are also favored by liberals. Obama is favored by college-educated voters. If I were you, I don't think I would go too far in making arguments about the relative intellectual achievements of McCain supporters vs. Obama supporters.
Correlation does not imply causality.
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Scion9 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:51:18am |
re: #658 ploome hineni
Yes, the 'fighting internation capitalism' statement was made by a US Union official in regards to that deal. Gotta love how these unions are out to 'help' the worker.
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:52:32am |
re: #640 NC State of Mind
Trust me- small business owners know what it is they're facing- that is, if they've watched the debates and have looked into 0bama's plan.
I know it's anecdotal, but a few weeks ago I told two of my bosses I didn't think 0bama would be good for businesses. One was nodding at me, and the other hardly looked at me and gave me the impression he was leaning 0bama. After debate #2 where 0bama said small businesses making under $250,000 would not get a tax increase, that same 0bama-aired boss started being real friendly to me. I think he saw exactly what it was I had warned about. I don't think he's alone.
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:53:46am |
re: #644 JustMyView
If I were you, I don't think I would go too far in making arguments about the relative intellectual achievements of McCain supporters vs. Obama supporters.
I think you are an asshole.
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goddessoftheclassroom Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:54:31am |
Got to run...have a great day, Lizards!
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:55:20am |
If I were you, I don't think I would go too far in making arguments about the relative intellectual achievements of McCain supporters vs. Obama supporters.
You mean achievements like bombing the Capitol?
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JustMyView Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:56:00am |
re: #662 Sharmuta
Trust me- small business owners know what it is they're facing- that is, if they've watched the debates and have looked into 0bama's plan.
I know it's anecdotal, but a few weeks ago I told two of my bosses I didn't think 0bama would be good for businesses. One was nodding at me, and the other hardly looked at me and gave me the impression he was leaning 0bama. After debate #2 where 0bama said small businesses making under $250,000 would not get a tax increase, that same 0bama-aired boss started being real friendly to me. I think he saw exactly what it was I had warned about. I don't think he's alone.
But what exactly is it that they're facing? I just read the article you linked to @ 637, and it certainly did not convey the idea that Obama's policies would be more expensive for small businesses than McCain's.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:56:37am |
re: #668 Sharmuta
You mean achievements like bombing the Capitol?
Or hacking a candidates private e-mail account?
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opnion Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:57:13am |
re: #644 JustMyView
The publications at the top of the list are also favored by liberals. Obama is favored by college-educated voters. If I were you, I don't think I would go too far in making arguments about the relative intellectual achievements of McCain supporters vs. Obama supporters.
The polls that I have seen do show Barry with a lead among the college educated, but I seem to recall that graduate degree & above favor McCain. I do know that Obama supporters that I know personally seem to be really ignorant of the issues & in full denial about Obama's associations.
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armaros Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:57:15am |
Sharmutah:
" Obama benefits from a stupid, ill-informed electorate
This is what happens when people pay more attention to American Idol than American government."
Totally....
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jim in virginia Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:58:54am |
Morning all. Couldn't get in here or to NRO last night. Like a morning without caffeine.
Asian markets having their worst day in five years. Hang on to your hats, it's going to be a bumpy ride today.
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ibmkeyboard Thu, Oct 16, 2008 3:58:55am |
re: #662 Sharmuta
the impression he was leaning 0bama. After debate #2 where 0bama said small businesses making under $250,000 would not get a tax increase, that same 0bama-aired boss started being real friendly to me. I think he saw exactly what it was I had warned about. I don't think he's alone.
And small business owners try to communicate their feeling to their employees.
If we can overcome the millions of votes the democrats have forged,
McCain might win.
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NC State of Mind Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:00:29am |
I used to sorta-kinda see how the "other side" viewed the world and could almost in a way empathize with some of their positions. Now I don't see how they remember how to get their pants on in the morning.
Gotta run-have a great day all you intellectually superior McCain guys.
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:01:29am |
re: #669 JustMyView
They're facing a tax increase and a mandate to provide health insurance. Go ask 0bama for specifics if you're so concerned. Lord knows he hasn't been asked by the msm, and hasn't provided any sort of real answer other than bullshit.
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littleoldlady Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:03:46am |
You have to pinch yourself – a Marxisant radical who all his life has been mentored by, sat at the feet of, worshipped with, befriended, endorsed the philosophy of, funded and been in turn funded, politically promoted and supported by a nexus comprising black power anti-white racists, Jew-haters, revolutionary Marxists, unrepentant former terrorists and Chicago mobsters, is on the verge of becoming President of the United States. And apparently it’s considered impolite to say so.
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opnion Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:04:33am |
I found it ironic , but not surprising that Barry cast himself as a victim of negative campaigning.
Barrys ads & supporters have been really negative. His suurogates are attempting to steal the election through fraud& the obscene Palin T Shirts are a new low.
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JustMyView Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:05:36am |
re: #674 opnion
The polls that I have seen do show Barry with a lead among the college educated, but I seem to recall that graduate degree & above favor McCain. I do know that Obama supporters that I know personally seem to be really ignorant of the issues & in full denial about Obama's associations.
This is just one survey, but it does show that support for Obama rises with educational level, including postgraduate education.
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:05:41am |
re: #678 ibmkeyboard
And small business owners try to communicate their feeling to their employees.
If we can overcome the millions of votes the democrats have forged,McCain might win.
I don't know what you're talking about, frankly. ACORN has registered only 1.5 million "people". We have 5-7 million PUMAs. ACORN's registrations are being tossed across the country. PUMAs are real voters. I'm not that worried we're going to win, because we are.
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JustMyView Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:07:33am |
re: #680 Sharmuta
They're facing a tax increase and a mandate to provide health insurance. Go ask 0bama for specifics if you're so concerned. Lord knows he hasn't been asked by the msm, and hasn't provided any sort of real answer other than bullshit.
He clearly said in last night's debate that small businesses will not be required to provide health insurance for their employees. Try to keep your ideology from getting in the way of the facts.
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rancher Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:07:55am |
For those who helped me source the Barney Frank's Fannie Mae love connection last night here is the final product.
Thanks lizards.
So, give me a sec to catch up here. Any fruitcup left?
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BlueCanuck Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:08:42am |
re: #686 JustMyView
The same 95% small businesses making under $250K a year? Riiiiiggggghhhhttt.
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opnion Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:10:53am |
re: #683 JustMyView
This is just one survey, but it does show that support for Obama rises with educational level, including postgraduate education.
That survey does debunk what I thought that I saw. Besides, I can't cite it & this is more consistent.
However, as I said earlier, Obama supporters that I know are very unaware of the issues & seem to be into Group Think.
The othetr thing that I have found, when they have an opinion that does not agree with Barry, they swear that Obama agrees with them.
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Salamantis Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:11:49am |
Hey Sharm; check out my spinoff link. Now we know why they wrote Explore Evolution; with two of its authors advising Texas on textbooks, they can leverage an acceptance there to shoehorn it in around the nation.
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x-wing Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:12:02am |
re: #686 JustMyView
He clearly said in last night's debate that small businesses will not be required to provide health insurance for their employees. Try to keep your ideology from getting in the way of the facts.
What does he consider a small business, then?
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:13:20am |
re: #691 opnion
What's the numbers on the breakdown of party ID of the participants of that survey? Did they ask more dems than republicans? Unless you can see the internals, don't buy shit from Gallup.
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rancher Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:14:43am |
re: #686 JustMyView
From his web page.
Employer Contribution: Employers that do not offer or make a meaningful contribution to the cost of quality health coverage for their employees will be required to contribute a percentage of payroll toward the costs of the national plan.
I don't see any caveats there. And he has yet to define a small business, unless he means one that nets less than $250,000? He also says he won't tax capital gains on the middle class which needs some explaining.
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Salamantis Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:14:58am |
I know that this is only anecdotal, but I have a postgraduate degree, and I wouldn't vote for Obama if Loreena Bobbitt held a knife to my dick.
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sparrowlake Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:14:59am |
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Shug Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:15:53am |
re: #683 JustMyView
This is just one survey, but it does show that support for Obama rises with educational level, including postgraduate education.
It appears that Obama has maintained the same lead in the much smaller group with Post graduate degree , and has made large strides in the larger sized uneducated group.
your own reference proves you don't know what you are talking about
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opnion Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:16:02am |
re: #686 JustMyView
He clearly said in last night's debate that small businesses will not be required to provide health insurance for their employees. Try to keep your ideology from getting in the way of the facts.
If you look at Obama's helth Plan, he mandates coverage for minors.
He intends to pay for it via employers. When you read his polan it seems that it need not be dependant children of their own employees.
That is confiscatory & goes to employers as if they are obligated to provide health coverage, which they are not.
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:17:06am |
re: #698 Shug
Hon- unless you can see the internal numbers- the party ID of the participants, then the poll is crap. They are asking more dems than repubs.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:17:44am |
Hotel donuts stale
The coffee is way too strong
everything tastes bad.
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x-wing Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:17:46am |
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Shug Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:19:09am |
re: #702 x-wing
Yiiippie, let's add another 1,000 pages to the tax code.
Due to his policies, the middle class won't have capital gains
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hermeneutics Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:19:16am |
re: #694 Sharmuta
What's the numbers on the breakdown of party ID of the participants of that survey? Did they ask more dems than republicans? Unless you can see the internals, don't buy shit from Gallup.
Democrats - 2229 - 36.8%
Republicans - 1713 - 28.2%
Independents - 2113 - 34.8%
total polled - 6055
A huge +8 for the Dems -- UNLIKELY!
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BlueCanuck Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:19:17am |
re: #702 x-wing
Wait, if middle class has more than 250k in investments from growth, does that mean they are now rich?
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x-wing Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:21:35am |
re: #703 Shug
Due to his policies, the middle class won't have capital gains
If he gets elected,I may just quit my job and enjoy all his free goodies.
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:21:44am |
re: #704 hermeneutics
Democrats - 2229 - 36.8%
Republicans - 1713 - 28.2%
Independents - 2113 - 34.8%
total polled - 6055A huge +8 for the Dems -- UNLIKELY!
Exactly. Historically they have a 3-4% edge.
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opnion Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:23:15am |
Howard Wolfson now on FNC. He is claiming that McCains introduction of Acorn into the debate last night was ineffective, because he didn't explain what Acorn is. WTF? The great American electorate is not aware of ACORN? Those that are unaware should be required to have adult supervision when the venture outside.
Maybe Obama has an edge among the more educated, but his supporters do not seem to be overly intelligent.
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hermeneutics Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:23:40am |
re: #708 Sharmuta
Exactly. Historically they have a 3-4% edge.
I'm to drugged to do the math -- sleepy pills -- but could you rejigger the numbers with a +4 R (worst case scenario) and tell me the new results?
I'd be so grateful.
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rancher Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:23:52am |
re: #707 x-wing
If he gets elected,I may just quit my job and enjoy all his free goodies.
I will do quite well until I loose my current cushy job and have to go back to prison.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:24:15am |
re: #696 Salamantis
I know that this is only anecdotal, but I have a postgraduate degree, and I wouldn't vote for Obama if Loreena Bobbitt held a knife to my dick.
And I am from the half of my high school graduating class the made the top half possible; I wouldn't vote of Obama if someone threatened to take away all forms of cake.
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JustMyView Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:24:25am |
re: #691 opnion
That survey does debunk what I thought that I saw. Besides, I can't cite it & this is more consistent.
However, as I said earlier, Obama supporters that I know are very unaware of the issues & seem to be into Group Think.
The othetr thing that I have found, when they have an opinion that does not agree with Barry, they swear that Obama agrees with them.
Your last statement seems to apply to both candidates. Apparently, for instance, many McCain supporters believe that he is pro-choice.
I certainly wouldn't challenge the idea that many Obama supporters are ill-informed. I just don't think that label is unique to them.
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Salamantis Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:24:41am |
Here's that link |I was talking about, Sharm:
[Link: www.dallasnews.com...]
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ibmkeyboard Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:25:04am |
re: #690 Sharmuta
LMAO @ you, hypocrite.
Justmyview.
He clearly said in last night's debate that small businesses will not be required to provide health insurance for their employees. Try to keep your ideology from getting in the way of the facts.
Obama has lied so much, If he stood on his frigging head and told the truth I wouldn't believe it.
If you believe his bullshit,
Let me sell you some AIG stock, I know it will go up..
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rancher Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:25:57am |
re: #713 JustMyView
for instance, many McCain supporters believe that he is pro-choice.
Link please?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:27:24am |
re: #704 hermeneutics
Democrats - 2229 - 36.8%
Republicans - 1713 - 28.2%
Independents - 2113 - 34.8%
total polled - 6055
I was thinking about this yesterday. I have voted Republican in every Presidential election of my lifetime. But, I refer to myself as an independent.
Wonder how many "Independents" (in either direction) get calls from pollsters.
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:28:22am |
re: #713 JustMyView
You're one of the most ill informed people on this blog. How does that feel?
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opnion Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:28:54am |
re: #713 JustMyView
Your last statement seems to apply to both candidates. Apparently, for instance, many McCain supporters believe that he is pro-choice.
I certainly wouldn't challenge the idea that many Obama supporters are ill-informed. I just don't think that label is unique to them.
You know, I can only speak for myself observing Obama & McCain supporters. Barry's supporters seem less informed , but much more fanatical. They seem to think that they are on a crusade & the rules no longer apply, just a desire to elect Obama no matter how they can get him there.
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x-wing Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:29:08am |
re: #711 rancher
I will do quite well until I loose my current cushy job and have to go back to prison.
Prison? I'm almost afraid to ask :>}
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hermeneutics Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:30:17am |
re: #709 opnion
The Democrats get the bottom and top of the educational demographic -- the most "decorated" educational sorts with PhDs and long exposure to academic bias; the most uneducated, less-than -high school crowd.
This may be correlated to their strength in inner cities, particularly the poorer areas, where education is shunned.
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littleoldlady Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:30:43am |
Hello! tap, tap tap!
It doesn't matter how many small businesses are effected by Obama's tax hikes and health care mandates. There will be enough of them to cause more unemployment and less profits to cause our recession to slide into a depression.
It's bad policy. Period.
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rancher Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:30:45am |
You guys thought he was a plant? He doesn't even exist.
Secret Service says "Kill him" allegation unfounded
SCRANTON – The agent in charge of the Secret Service field office in Scranton said allegations that someone yelled “kill him” when presidential hopeful Barack Obama’s name was mentioned during Tuesday’s Sarah Palin rally are unfounded.
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Scion9 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:31:20am |
I've addressed the 'liberal' bias on campus before. If you shave off the top 2% of the wealthiest among both parties, registered Democrats are absurdley richer than Republicans, which is pretty much the way it has been for the past century. Even if you do include that top 2% you have to take into account that people like Pickens and other billionaires are registered Republicans while many 'independents' like Bill Gates overwhelmingly support Democrats and Left-orient PACs skew the statistics of which party has more money.
The vast majority of all people inherit the political and social views of their parents to some degree. My family has been consistently voting Democrat for over a hundred years (probably all the way back to Jefferson). The vast majority of people that go to college today have their way paid for them by their families. 'Poor' people rarely go to college. Scholarships are negligible. College is for rich people. College is run by, and caters to Democrats, and that is who attends.
Anyone who has been to college in the past several decades can attest to it. People aren't getting 'brainwashed' in entirety by their professors. They aren't becoming 'enlightened' as they attain higher degrees and become liberal as a result. There is an overwhelming liberal bias in most classrooms among the students on day one of your first class on freshmen year.
The number of people enrolled in college, and graduated from college that are Conservatives and even more so the ones that vote Republican are extremely limited. Of course, being college educated doesn't say anything about ones knowledge of politics or the economy unless one is specifically studying in those fields.
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hermeneutics Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:31:56am |
re: #717 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hi Chubby. What are you doing up at this hour, dear?
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:32:03am |
re: #722 littleoldlady
I agree completely! That's why I told my 0bamabot family member to enjoy unemployment.
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opnion Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:32:49am |
re: #721 hermeneutics
The Democrats get the bottom and top of the educational demographic -- the most "decorated" educational sorts with PhDs and long exposure to academic bias; the most uneducated, less-than -high school crowd.
This may be correlated to their strength in inner cities, particularly the poorer areas, where education is shunned.
That sounds about right. I would say this, if there was a direct correlation between education & intellect, Harvard profs would all be wealthy. I don't see that.
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rancher Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:32:55am |
re: #720 x-wing
I spent five years as a correctional officer, (guard). The prison is the towns biggest employer and certianly won't be closing. It's just a really crappy job.
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Shug Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:33:00am |
Ask the Ship builders of New England how that luxury tax worked out.
Go ahead Barry, screw " the rich"
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hermeneutics Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:33:53am |
re: #724 Scion9
So true.
Minor quibble -- I believe Jefferson was a Republican in the election of 1800.
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ibmkeyboard Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:33:54am |
re: #723 rancher
You guys thought he was a plant? He doesn't even exist.
Secret Service says "Kill him" allegation unfounded
More
MSM
bullshit
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:34:31am |
re: #730 hermeneutics
So true.
Minor quibble -- I believe Jefferson was a Republican in the election of 1800.
Republican party didn't exist then.
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rancher Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:34:49am |
re: #731 ibmkeyboard
We were wondering where the secret service was on that.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:35:14am |
re: #713 JustMyView
Your last statement seems to apply to both candidates. Apparently, for instance, many McCain supporters believe that he is pro-choice.
I certainly wouldn't challenge the idea that many Obama supporters are ill-informed. I just don't think that label is unique to them.
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jim in virginia Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:36:06am |
re: #684 Sharmuta
Sharmuta, I don't know what I'm doing wrong but I tried to upding you and it downdinged. I blame Bil Gates and IE. My intent was pure.
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hermeneutics Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:36:09am |
re: #732 Sharmuta
True, but he self-iDed that way.
The contemporary repub party started civil war era.
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x-wing Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:36:10am |
re: #719 opnion
You know, I can only speak for myself observing Obama & McCain supporters. Barry's supporters seem less informed , but much more fanatical. They seem to think that they are on a crusade & the rules no longer apply, just a desire to elect Obama no matter how they can get him there.
NBC interveiwed an independent after the debate, the guy said he's going with Obama because of his positions, character doesn't matter.
/my remote just about left my hand
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reine.de.tout Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:36:47am |
re: #736 jim in virginia
Sharmuta, I don't know what I'm doing wrong but I tried to upding you and it downdinged. I blame Bil Gates and IE. My intent was pure.
Jim, you can change it, just go back up and click the plus button.
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x-wing Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:37:31am |
re: #728 rancher
I spent five years as a correctional officer, (guard). The prison is the towns biggest employer and certianly won't be closing. It's just a really crappy job.
Wheew, yeah I wouldn't like that job.
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jim in virginia Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:37:54am |
re: #730 hermeneutics
I believ there was a Democratic Republican party opposing the Federalsts. This was back before Whigs and Know Nothings.
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JustMyView Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:38:17am |
re: #695 rancher
From his web page.
I don't see any caveats there. And he has yet to define a small business, unless he means one that nets less than $250,000? He also says he won't tax capital gains on the middle class which needs some explaining.
I didn't have it quite right in what I said before. Here's what I found re small businesses: I didn't see a definition of a small business in that section of the plan, but perhaps there's one elsewhere. Or perhaps there's a standard definition that the IRS uses. I'm not an accountant.
(3) TAX CREDITS FOR FAMILIES AND SMALL BUSINESSES. Barack Obama and Joe Biden understand that too many families that do not qualify for public health programs like Medicaid and SCHIP have trouble finding affordable health insurance. They know from talking to small business owners across the nation that the skyrocketing cost of healthcare poses a serious competitive threat to America’s small businesses. The Obama-Biden health care plan will provide tax credits to all individuals who need it for their premiums. They will also create a new Small Business Health Tax Credit to provide small businesses with a refundable tax credit of up to 50 percent on premiums paid by small businesses on behalf of their employees. To be eligible for the credit, small businesses will have to offer a quality health plan to all of their employees and cover a meaningful share of the cost of employee health premiums.
4) EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTION. Large employers that do not offer meaningful coverage or make a meaningful contribution to the cost of quality health coverage for their employees will be required to contribute a percentage of payroll toward the costs of the national plan. Small businesses will be exempt from this
requirement.
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ibmkeyboard Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:38:42am |
re: #728 rancher
I spent five years as a correctional officer, (guard). The prison is the towns biggest employer and certainly won't be closing. It's just a really crappy job.
/how does it feel having had a job the government pays more to keep the prisoners,
than they pay to guard them?
//sorry in advance.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:39:04am |
Well pushed my luck long enough today. Time to log off and go home. See you folks around in the coming week. Stay scaly.
/YAY vacation time is now.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:39:07am |
Verification that the "kill him" statement was a figment of somebody's imagination:
Secret Service says "Kill him" allegation unfounded
How many reports of this will we see now on TV?
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hermeneutics Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:39:14am |
re: #742 jim in virginia
I believ there was a Democratic Republican party opposing the Federalsts. This was back before Whigs and Know Nothings.
Yes. True. Don't you' love the names of the parties back then?
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:39:21am |
re: #743 JustMyView
Because 0bama's never flip-flopped before, right?
We'll just let you eat that waffle.
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Scion9 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:39:40am |
re: #730 hermeneutics
So true.
Minor quibble -- I believe Jefferson was a Republican in the election of 1800.
He was a Democratic-Republican, which a few election cycles later was truncated into just Democratic Party.
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hermeneutics Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:39:41am |
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jim in virginia Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:40:04am |
re: #701 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Business travel is glamorous!
At least that's what everyone tells me.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:40:59am |
re: #725 hermeneutics
Choking down stale donuts, drinking bad hotel coffee, and wondering why JMV comes around here. But I know why. To argue. All JMV does is argue. Not play "devils advocate", just to argue. Probably goes to KOS and argues the conservative/anti-Obama side.
Just can't stand people like that. Farking misanthrope.
Of course, that's just my view.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:42:31am |
re: #755 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Choking down stale donuts, drinking bad hotel coffee, and wondering why JMV comes around here. But I know why. To argue. All JMV does is argue. Not play "devils advocate", just to argue. Probably goes to KOS and argues the conservative/anti-Obama side.
Just can't stand people like that. Farking misanthrope.
Of course, that's just my view.
FBV look at the positive side - arguments make the day interesting.
OH, and here are a few fresh donuts:
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x-wing Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:43:14am |
re: #743 JustMyView
I see readind comp. is not your strong point. Small Bus. is still going to pay for it one way or another.
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rancher Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:43:19am |
re: #743 JustMyView
They will also create a new Small Business Health Tax Credit to provide small businesses with a refundable tax credit of up to 50 percent on premiums paid by small businesses on behalf of their employees.
So he mandates coverage but will refund half of the cost? And that's a cut?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:43:24am |
re: #753 jim in virginia
Business travel is glamorous!
At least that's what everyone tells me.
Hey Jim! I'm in Fredericksburg! Holiday Inn (Woot!)
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Cap'n DOC Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:44:17am |
The other thing that I have found, when they have an opinion that does not agree with Barry, they swear that Obama agrees with them.
Your last statement seems to apply to both candidates. Apparently, for instance, many McCain supporters believe that he is pro-choice.
Do you think that Sen. Obama and Sen. McCain are both for change?
That's rhetorical of course, because what you are attempting to do is paint both of the candidates with the same brush, and their supporters as well.
And it ain't a single-issue problem. And what kind of glasses are you using to determine that many McCain supporters believe he is pro-choice?
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hermeneutics Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:44:17am |
re: #755 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Poor dear. Put those donuts down, Chubby. You'll feel so sick tomorrow morning.
Are you working on a project this late at night ... or should you be? I sometimes wonder why people are on in the wee hours. I'm sleepless.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:45:10am |
re: #761 hermeneutics
What the heck...it's almost 8am here in the present.
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jim in virginia Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:45:22am |
re: #743 JustMyView
From a guy who by appeaars to obfuscate without thinking about it, and you want us to believe his campaign promises?
The top 10% of income producers in the US pay 70% of the taxes. Barry promises to lower taxes for 95% of Americans. Do the math.
Corporate taxes are simply passed onto shareholders or to consumers. Corporations are not evil monoliths. They are thousands of stockholders.
Barry is an idiot, a liar, or both.
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rancher Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:45:22am |
re: #745 ibmkeyboard
It was a private prison so we actually made less than our state officers.
But we did have less benefits!
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yesandno Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:45:37am |
re: #696 Salamantis
I know that this is only anecdotal, but I have a postgraduate degree, and I wouldn't vote for Obama if Loreena Bobbitt held a knife to my dick.
Almost had cereal on my screen!
LOL!
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littleoldlady Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:45:50am |
4) EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTION. Large employers that do not offer meaningful coverage or make a meaningful contribution to the cost of quality health coverage for their employees will be required to contribute a percentage of payroll toward the costs of the national plan. Small businesses will be exempt from this requirement.
This does not mean that their own employees will get any better coverage. Am I reading this right?
Depending upon the costs, it may behoove an employer to start offering "meaningful" coverage to their employees, thereby NOT funding the national plan.
And wtf is "meaningful"?!
DID ANYBODY THINK THIS THROUGH?!
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rancher Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:46:20am |
re: #751 hermeneutics
Repubs didn't start the civil war, small joke.
Very small.
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hermeneutics Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:46:35am |
re: #762 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
What the heck...it's almost 8am here in the present.
Oh, sorry. I thought you were in Colorado and have mixed your locale with that of someone else.
I'm in AZ -- it is 4:46am here.
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reags Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:46:40am |
re: #721 hermeneutics
I'm one of those " 'decorated' educational sorts" (PhD). Not all of us got brainwashed in our trip through academia...some of us managed to keep our common sense in the face of the giant vacuum trying to suck it out of us
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:46:44am |
re: #764 rancher
That sounds like something a friend of mine said (peeing off the side of a boat), "Y'all don't look now. It ain't big around, but it's short!"
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hermeneutics Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:48:35am |
re: #769 reags
I'm one of those " 'decorated' educational sorts" (PhD). Not all of us got brainwashed in our trip through academia...some of us managed to keep our common sense in the face of the giant vacuum trying to suck it out of us
I am too, Reags, and I struggled mightily to avoid brainwashing. I think it is harder for those in the humanities.
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ibmkeyboard Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:50:26am |
Later/
I have to go work a job,
pay taxes so Acorn deadbeats can register more voters and try to destroy my way of life.
/catch 22
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ibmkeyboard Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:51:56am |
re: #764 rancher
It was a private prison so we actually made less than our state officers.
But we did have less benefits!
LOL
sorry!
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:52:07am |
re: #766 littleoldlady
Think something through? When have the democrats ever done that?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:52:14am |
re: #773 ibmkeyboard
Have a great day! Have fun stormin' the castle!
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jim in virginia Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:58:36am |
re: #759 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
If you get any time check out some of the Civil war sites.
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reags Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:59:54am |
re: #771 hermeneutics
I am too, Reags, and I struggled mightily to avoid brainwashing. I think it is harder for those in the humanities.
Agreed the struggle must be harder in some areas than others. Ironically I always thought a major practical goal of education should be to teach people to think (for themselves). Am I correct in assuming the practical experience is one of "educators" telling people how to think (i.e. brainwashing)..particularly in the humanities, etc. My guess would also be that this type of educational process gets started early (pre-college), which I'm going to blame on the unionization of teachers at that level.
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christheprofessor Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:59:55am |
Good morning, all...
This place is full of professors this morning...
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jim in virginia Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:00:06am |
re: #766 littleoldlady
meaningful contribution to the cost of quality health coverage
And what is the meaning of the word "is"?
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eon Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:01:24am |
re: #747 reine.de.tout
Verification that the "kill him" statement was a figment of somebody's imagination:
Secret Service says "Kill him" allegation unfoundedHow many reports of this will we see now on TV?
Morning, Lizards.
(Good morning, littleoldlady.)
This is turning out about how I expected. I assumed it was an exaggeration, or outright fabrication, from the start, because no version of the story included the subhead, "Man Detained For Questioning".
I saw the Secret Service in action, up close and personal, back in the Seventies. If anyone had really yelled "kill (anybody)" at a campaign event, said loudmouth would have suddenly found himself surrounded by large men in three-piece suits with earplugs in one ear each. And then been hustled out and into a quiet room for a little chat.
The Service does not take threats lightly, no matter who they are ostensibly aimed at.
As for "reporter" David Singleton, his editor shouldn't be defending him. He should already have Singleton's resignation typed-up, and on his desk, waiting for the fantasist's signature.
Plus the name of a good psychiatrist, to help Singleton deal with the little voices in his head. Which may just be why no one but Singleton heard this supposed "outburst".
cheers
eon
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reine.de.tout Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:01:25am |
re: #777 Killian Bundy
[Link: www.ibdeditorial.com...]
Good grief!
The NEA wants additional (job-creating) services and programs — such as early childhood education — provided by public schools. NEA resolutions call for "programs in the public schools for children from birth through age 8" and for "mandatory kindergarten with compulsory attendance."
and
The NEA wants every child, regardless of age, to have "direct and confidential access, without notification to parents, to comprehensive health education. That would include things such as learning how to use condoms for premarital sex, as well as social, and psychological programs and services."
and
The NEA is strong for "multicultural education," which means "the process of incorporating the values" and influencing "behavior" toward the NEA's version of "the common good," such as "reducing homophobia."
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3 wood Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:03:21am |
Good Morning Folks.
Look for the market to recover a bit from yesterdays huge sell off. Apparently yesterday was due to several hedge funds and a large bank or two in Europe liquidating holdings. Again, a lot of stocks out there are amazingly cheap now, so some folks will be snapping up some bargains.
LIBOR is starting to ease up so there are some positive signs in that regard.
Look for this volatility to continue for weeks if not months.
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hermeneutics Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:03:59am |
re: #781 reags
I'm convinced that the next generation of intellectual heft will emerge from home-schooled kids.
Regarding the humanities: A few colleges still exist that teach "classical" curriculum. St. John's College comes to mind. Actually immersing oneself in a proven text and struggling with its content is, to me, a rigorous education.
And that doesn't happen in schools. Or colleges.
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littleoldlady Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:05:40am |
re: #783 jim in virginia
{My Rove}!
In Obama's case, you have to define the word TAX.
/forget IS :-(
eon! :-)
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reine.de.tout Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:06:04am |
Well, I need to run, but for a laugh (maybe) and a reminder (as if we needed one) of the type of person to whom Obama would like to redistribute our wealth, I give you Sharon Jasper.
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christheprofessor Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:06:54am |
re: #785 reine.de.tout
The NEA's goal is, and has always been, indoctrination, not education. Conscientious parents interfere with that, hence the desire to remove parents from the mix.
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3 wood Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:07:25am |
Here are two banks that were dumping a lot of stock yesterday.
Switzerland to take on $60 billion of UBS assets
LONDON (MarketWatch) -- The Swiss government on Thursday became the first to take troubled assets off a bank balance sheet, reaching a deal to absorb up to $60 billion in mostly mortgage-related assets from UBS.
In addition, the Swiss government is taking a 9% stake in UBS in return for a 6 billion franc ($5.25 billion) injection into the world's largest asset manager.
And rival Credit Suisse is being forced to raise billions as well to meet new adequacy standards, though it's been able to do so by turning to key shareholders, notably the government of Qatar.
The Swiss National Bank said the moves by the country's banking giants "will result in a sustainable reduction of strains in the Swiss financial system. The stabilization thus reached will be favorable for the development of the Swiss economy as a whole and is in the interest of the country."
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Killian Bundy Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:09:16am |
9000 delegates in the American education driver's seat or three out of six people knocking on the doorre: #779 littleoldlady
OY. :-(
Three people out of six versus 9000 delegates. I'm just wondering who's really subverting the education of American children.
/knock all you want, you can't blow the teacher's union house down in another 2000 years, without much help
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Beach Lover Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:09:24am |
Good Morning, lizards. Well, I was really happy after the debate until I watched the pundits tell me what I saw. Am I gonna have to turn off FNC now, too?
The media is turning our electorial process into a reality show.
And we are gonna end up with nitwits running this country because of it.
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hermeneutics Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:09:56am |
re: #792 3 wood
Three,
What do you think about the government taking shares/ownership of banks during this crisis?
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eon Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:10:45am |
re: #785 reine.de.tout
Whenever a politician (or any reasonable facsimile' thereof) uses any of these phrases;
"the common good"
"the greatest good for the greatest number"
"the needs of the many" and/or
"outweigh the needs of the few"
A smart person heads for the nearest exit. Because all of the above translate to
"We want power, and we mean to get it."
Which means that whatever is proposed or is about to be done will have the sole purpose of feeding the speaker's own ego, ambition, and lust for control over others.
/I'm in a sort of Heinlein/Rand mode this morning, I guess
cheers
eon
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unreconstructed rebel Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:10:50am |
Mornin', All.
Sorry, not feeeling very spritely today.
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3 wood Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:11:28am |
One interesting side note in all the market sell off is gold also dropped a bit. It's down to $839 which probably speaks to how much cash the tbill auctions are soaking up.
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3 wood Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:13:49am |
re: #798 hermeneutics
Three,
What do you think about the government taking shares/ownership of banks during this crisis?
Short term to get some stability back in I don't mind. I think it's needed to keep the banks from taking the injected capital and just sitting on it or using it to retire outstanding more expensive debt.
Long term I want to see the government sell their interest back to the banks after the markets settle down.
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laZardo Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:13:53am |
Good evening, Reptilia! I trust there is a reason for me to find difficulty in rebutting anything hopeful this evening...
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eon Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:14:35am |
re: #790 rancher
Not getting re-elected is the least of Mahoney's worries.
I love that photo of Mahoney. It practically screams,
I'm a Democrat, so you can't touch me. Up yours.
Does the DNC have classes for office-holders for this? "Looking Smug 101"?
cheers
eon
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Beach Lover Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:14:36am |
re: #786 3 wood
3 wood, I don't know much if anything about this economic mess, but can any of the timing of this have to do with the election?
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3 wood Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:15:37am |
Got to go get ready for my new job, first day today.
Later all.
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unreconstructed rebel Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:15:40am |
re: #803 hermeneutics
You really don't not want to listen to me whine about yesterday.
But thanks for the thought.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:15:56am |
Well, the "Kill Him" story still has legs. Someone just gave a bunch of Donk operatives an idea. They'll go to McCain rallies screaming the "n" word. That'll get some legs too, dontcha think?
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hermeneutics Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:16:23am |
re: #804 3 wood
Long term I want to see the government sell their interest back to the banks after the markets settle down.
Governments tend to expand control, not relinquish it, or so it seems. It will be extremely difficult to get rid of the bureaucracy after it is entrenched in DC.
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3 wood Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:16:43am |
re: #807 Beach Lover
3 wood, I don't know much if anything about this economic mess, but can any of the timing of this have to do with the election?
I think Congress's dragging their feet had a lot to do with the timing of the election.
Got to go now.
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rancher Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:18:06am |
re: #802 3 wood
I had gold as a hedge back in '87. I thought we were due for a correction and figured I'd sell the gold to buy into any drop. Gold dropped as far or further than stocks because everyone was selling to make margin calls.
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x-wing Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:19:04am |
re: #808 3 wood
Good Luck 3 wood. My 401k is depending on ya.
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hermeneutics Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:19:06am |
re: #809 unreconstructed rebel
Thankfully today is a new day and yesterday is passe.
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Scion9 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:19:10am |
re: #785 reine.de.tout
Scary stuff, no?
Public education was in many ways a bad idea. The 1st Amendments clauses in regards to free press and freedom of religion were written to protect those two institutions that both greatly influence culture and flow of information (especially when most schools were being run by Churches) from being influenced by government. So that those with political power would be incapable of indoctrinating the public into a narrative that is either supportive or subversive. Public education is being used to circumvent the spirit of the 1st Amendment.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:19:33am |
re: #808 3 wood
Congrats! Knock 'em dead!
(hey, who are these guys in three piece suits and earpieces?)
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rancher Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:20:13am |
re: #811 hermeneutics
The stock we have in those banks is non voting prefered, more like a loan I think.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:21:57am |
So far, the Secret Service has not found anyone else who heard "kill him" Tuesday except for the Times-Tribune reporter.
Heh.
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doriangrey Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:22:40am |
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unreconstructed rebel Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:22:44am |
re: #811 hermeneutics
Governments tend to expand control, not relinquish it, or so it seems. It will be extremely difficult to get rid of the bureaucracy after it is entrenched in DC.
Problem is, government policy for the last however has not been about industry, but about enjoying the good life without it. For years, the gov't has seen to it that we know no discomfort from our excesses. Now that the bill is really due, their answer is to start printing money like there's no tomorrow.
I told you I was depressed.
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hermeneutics Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:23:11am |
re: #819 rancher
The stock we have in those banks is non voting prefered, more like a loan I think.
Interesting. Will/could they simply sell that stock, then, when the markets get higher? Or do you think they'll hold on to the stock so they can have some direct influence in the banking system?
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Beach Lover Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:23:40am |
If McCain manages to pull this one out of the dumpster, he can thank Joe the plumber and The Hockey Mom.
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reags Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:24:19am |
re: #787 hermeneutics
I'm convinced that the next generation of intellectual heft will emerge from home-schooled kids.
Interesting opinion.
Agree with your premise that "rigorous education" need not come from school/college. My most valuable education came at the hands (literally and metaphorically) of my father - first generation American, barely graduated from high school- ex-marine DI at Parris Island - worked his a** off in his own small business to provide us with opportunities and taught us the value of hard work and common sense along the way. I will always be grateful that I have an easier life because of him. Very smart man...
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rancher Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:25:23am |
re: #822 unreconstructed rebel
Back to the stagflation of the '70s. I intend to borrow allot! Pay back today's dollars with tomorrow's toilet paper.
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doriangrey Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:25:59am |
re: #825 reags
Interesting opinion.
Agree with your premise that "rigorous education" need not come from school/college. My most valuable education came at the hands (literally and metaphorically) of my father - first generation American, barely graduated from high school- ex-marine DI at Parris Island - worked his a** off in his own small business to provide us with opportunities and taught us the value of hard work and common sense along the way. I will always be grateful that I have an easier life because of him. Very smart man...
Yes, but by the Obama/democrat definition a very bad American.....
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rancher Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:27:07am |
re: #823 hermeneutics
Interesting. Will/could they simply sell that stock, then, when the markets get higher? Or do you think they'll hold on to the stock so they can have some direct influence in the banking system?
Probably depends on who gets elected.
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doriangrey Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:27:11am |
re: #828 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Dorian! What up yo?
Your donuts are stale and your coffee is puppy piss weak.... You been sneaking the hotel stuff home again?
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unreconstructed rebel Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:27:42am |
re: #787 hermeneutics
I'm convinced that the next generation of intellectual heft will emerge from home-schooled kids.
Regarding the humanities: A few colleges still exist that teach "classical" curriculum. St. John's College comes to mind. Actually immersing oneself in a proven text and struggling with its content is, to me, a rigorous education.
And that doesn't happen in schools. Or colleges.
Ironic isn't it that the great thinkers who founded this country were all basically home-schooled?
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reags Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:28:10am |
re: #827 doriangrey
Yes, but by the Obama/democrat definition a very bad American.....
Yes, but would have been very taxable!
And, thanks for the compliment :)
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doriangrey Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:29:01am |
re: #831 unreconstructed rebel
Ironic isn't it that the great thinkers who founded this country were all basically home-schooled?
That's because he who controls the education spice, controls the US Universe....
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krycek Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:29:18am |
The Obama camp has probably already air dropped a team of lawyers and private investigators to dig up dirt and smear Joe the plumber.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:29:26am |
I guess I could understand better the imminent potential problem to American education, if the 800 pound NEA Gorilla already teaching the American children was acknowledged.
/the priorities and reasons escape me, but what do I know?
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:29:35am |
Morning all!
Great... first thing this morning, Michelle's Chief of Staff spinning that Obama has nothing to do with ACORN and a replay of Luntz's focus group of morons.
I threw up a little in my mouth.
Who's got the coffee so I can wash this out.
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Scion9 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:29:52am |
re: #799 eon
The worst, and most dishonest thing about the current 'Greater Good' mantra of the Left is that in addition to being Collectivists, they are also Moral Relativists.
At least the early Christian socialists around the turn of the century of the last century that got some sway in government had an idea of a moral Collective built around some kind of objective doctrine that defined specifically what is good and what is not that everyone could research and read into for themselves. Not that I agree with their politics, but at least it was consistent.
Today, those trumpetting for the 'Greater Good', are also in the business of telling you that what they are touting as being 'Good' is subjective to change without notice. That is practically advertising their totalitarian ideology, but so few seem to notice.
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rancher Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:30:08am |
re: #831 unreconstructed rebel
Ironic isn't it that the great thinkers who founded this country were all basically home-schooled?
Wish we could still read for the law.
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laZardo Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:30:43am |
re: #817 Scion9
I would disagree on that point. Not many people can be counted on to homeschool their kids or afford to send them to private schools whose tuition rates are JACKED UP.
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hermeneutics Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:30:48am |
re: #825 reags
Lovely! Your dad is the kind of American we should all be.
My most valuable education came from personal failure.
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doriangrey Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:31:20am |
re: #836 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Morning all!
Great... first thing this morning, Michelle's Chief of Staff spinning that Obama has nothing to do with ACORN and a replay of Luntz's focus group of morons.
I threw up a little in my mouth.
Who's got the coffee so I can wash this out.
Here, you can have some of mine, guaranteed to take the paint and the rust off a battleships hull..... /warning you might need to replace your fillings after the first cup.....
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doriangrey Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:33:11am |
re: #832 reags
Yes, but would have been very taxable!
And, thanks for the compliment :)
Your dad earned it the old fashioned way... Through hard work and determination...
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1SG(ret) Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:33:28am |
Am I the only one that is getting really tired of Frank Lutz and his focus groups? Although they all say they are not decided, it seems they start out a little on the liberal side.
If I hear the BHO is young, articulate, and smooth one more time!
That makes for a good politician, but not so much for a leader.
Top
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:33:39am |
re: #841 doriangrey
Here, you can have some of mine, guaranteed to take the paint and the rust off a battleships hull..... /warning you might need to replace your fillings after the first cup.....
Fillings? Who needs fillings... that way repair work is easier, no hood to pull up.
Thanks. I needed that. A man that can make coffee the right way.
Crowd at the Coffee Shop in NC goes 100% McCain... I feel better now!
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eon Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:34:00am |
re: #825 reags
Interesting opinion.
Agree with your premise that "rigorous education" need not come from school/college. My most valuable education came at the hands (literally and metaphorically) of my father - first generation American, barely graduated from high school- ex-marine DI at Parris Island - worked his a** off in his own small business to provide us with opportunities and taught us the value of hard work and common sense along the way. I will always be grateful that I have an easier life because of him. Very smart man...
You were lucky to have a father like that.
Going back to Heinlein;
At the fundamental level, a school is nothing more than a log with a teacher sitting on one end and a student sitting on the other.
-Heinlein, Rocket Ship Galileo(1947)
It helps if the teacher is knowledgeable, and the student is able. (Of course, in Heinlein's stories, these were givens.) As for teacher "qualifications", I'll take practical experience over academic degrees any time. While useful on a resume', such degrees are increasingly suspect in terms of the actual imparted knowledge they are supposed to represent.
/The present Democratic candidate for President being a case in point
cheers
eon
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:34:43am |
re: #811 hermeneutics
Governments tend to expand control, not relinquish it, or so it seems. It will be extremely difficult to get rid of the bureaucracy after it is entrenched in DC.
The Gubment is like the worst Meth/crack/heroin addict you've ever seen. Power/money is their drug. Once they get a bit, just have to keep adding to the amount to get their fix.
How many temporary taxes have become permanent?
How many temporary tolls (roads/bridges) were actually temporary?
Hell, my county for years has said we need decals on our windshields to prove we have paid taxes on our cars. This year, hooray! We don't need decals now! Oh, but we have to pay the decal fee.
IT IS MY TEAT THEY ARE SUCKING FROM AND MY TEATS ARE SORE!
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Karridine Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:35:28am |
re: #823 hermeneutics
I don't know... yr question is High Finance 303...
Just wanted to say I read yr comment at Zomboid's place... well done!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:35:34am |
re: #830 doriangrey
Your donuts are stale and your coffee is puppy piss weak.... You been sneaking the hotel stuff home again?
Donuts get stale because we don't eat them fast enough.
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hermeneutics Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:35:36am |
re: #839 laZardo
I would disagree on that point. Not many people can be counted on to homeschool their kids or afford to send them to private schools whose tuition rates are JACKED UP.
Hi LaZardo,
The means of delivering education is debatable, not the need for some classroom-based institutions. If you had a voucher, or if all schools were privatized by fiat, there would be affordable, unique institutions. Those who wanted to homeschool could still opt out.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:35:55am |
re: #843 1SG(ret)
Am I the only one that is getting really tired of Frank Lutz and his focus groups? Although they all say they are not decided, it seems they start out a little on the liberal side.
If I hear the BHO is young, articulate, and smooth one more time!
That makes for a good politician, but not so much for a leader.Top
One of the qualifying traits to be unsure of who to vote for at this stage, with these two... Mac the less than wonderful and Barry the closet marxist radical...
is to be a freaking moron.
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doriangrey Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:36:56am |
re: #844 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Fillings? Who needs fillings... that way repair work is easier, no hood to pull up.
Thanks. I needed that. A man that can make coffee the right way.
Crowd at the Coffee Shop in NC goes 100% McCain... I feel better now!
Sigh..... There are some (un-named) lizards who are afraid of my coffee... One is still trying to get me to replace their monitor stand because a little of it spilled and melted a hole through it.... Some people lizards just don't appreciate a good cup of coffee...
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unreconstructed rebel Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:37:26am |
re: #838 rancher
Wish we could still read for the law.
It's my understanding that is still possible in the Commonwealth of Virginia
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HoosierHoops Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:38:01am |
Good Morning Lizards!
How is everyone this fine day?
Coffee and yogurt this morning on the table..I'm pitching the day old donuts..
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hermeneutics Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:38:08am |
re: #847 Karridine
I don't know... yr question is High Finance 303...
Just wanted to say I read yr comment at Zomboid's place... well done!
Good morning, karridine. I wish I could sleep.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:38:31am |
re: #851 doriangrey
Sigh..... There are some (un-named) lizards who are afraid of my coffee... One is still trying to get me to replace their monitor stand because a little of it spilled and melted a hole through it.... Some
peoplelizards just don't appreciate a good cup of coffee...
As I've said before, if you can't stand a M60 Tank Track upright in it, it isn't coffee.
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Scion9 Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:38:54am |
re: #839 laZardo
I would disagree on that point. Not many people can be counted on to homeschool their kids or afford to send them to private schools whose tuition rates are JACKED UP.
I didn't say I disagree with the idea of public education. That is to say I don't find it offensive to want to provide education to the public, by way of the government. My point was that Public education is being used to cercumvent the spirit of the Constitution. That public servants are now in the business of crafting a narrative of the 'truth' that is supportive of their political agenda.
The Church, and the Press being free from government meddling is mandated by the Constitution in order to directly prevent this kind of indoctrination.
Regardless, you pay more for public education than you would for private now, and you get less out of it. Private schools take in much less in tuition money and donations than public schools recieve in tax dollars.
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x-wing Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:39:17am |
re: #843 1SG(ret)
It would be nice if Frank would call them something other than undecideds. I'd really hate to go shopping with these people.
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eon Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:39:35am |
re: #837 Scion9
The worst, and most dishonest thing about the current 'Greater Good' mantra of the Left is that in addition to being Collectivists, they are also Moral Relativists.
At least the early Christian socialists around the turn of the century of the last century that got some sway in government had an idea of a moral Collective built around some kind of objective doctrine that defined specifically what is good and what is not that everyone could research and read into for themselves. Not that I agree with their politics, but at least it was consistent.
Today, those trumpetting for the 'Greater Good', are also in the business of telling you that what they are touting as being 'Good' is subjective to change without notice. That is practically advertising their totalitarian ideology, but so few seem to notice.
I might add that historically, the call to do something for "the greater good", and/or the mantra of "the needs of the many outweighing the needs of the few" have usually been followed by the oppression or even outright massacre of "the few" in the name of "the many".
/Dickens didn't invent that phrase for A Tale of Two Cities, he was actually quoting Talleyrand
cheers
eon
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pingjockey Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:39:58am |
Nornin' all. DG would probably like my coffee. A couple of ranchers use it to dehorn their cattle. Just pour it on the horns and they melt off!
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Beach Lover Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:40:05am |
re: #843 1SG(ret)
after last night, I won't believe him any longer. There is NO WAY those people were undecided. What a joke.
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hermeneutics Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:40:10am |
re: #856 Scion9
Your comments that tied the First Amendment to the education establishment has me thinking. Hard.
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doriangrey Thu, Oct 16, 2008 5:40:33am |
re: #853 HoosierHoops
Good Morning Lizards!
How is everyone this fine day?
Coffee and yogurt this morning on the table..I'm pitching the day old donuts..
Hmmm, your day old donuts or FBV's 3 day old donuts.... decisions decisions decisions.... Oh and yes, I broke down and passed around some of my battery acid coffee. A few lizards needed to wash a very bad MSM talking head taste out of their mouths... wouldn't happen to be serving Kona this morning would ya?
