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Open | Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 9:44:17 pm PDT

Behold the hippopotamus!
We laugh at how he looks to us,
And yet in moments dank and grim,
I wonder how we look to him.

Ogden Nash

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1 jaunte  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:45:13pm

skinny, dry, annoying...

2 BlueCanuck  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:45:18pm

Whew, thank goodness that last thread was getting long. Good evening all, night shift finally punching in.

3 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:45:40pm
4 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:46:08pm

Do NOT give in to defeatism.

5 nigella  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:46:13pm

I'm drained! Honestly thought McCain won this one. The MSM disagrees. Shocked? No......

6 jacksontn  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:47:03pm

Joe the Plumber can kick Senator Government's ass .......

7 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:47:14pm

re: #5 nigella

I'm drained! Honestly thought McCain won this one. The MSM disagrees. Shocked? No......

Fear not, the MSM would disagree that Teddy Roosevelt was a great President.

8 Candyxman  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:47:14pm

I Sir Am Not President Bush

9 Cognito  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:47:19pm

re: #1 jaunte

skinny, dry, annoying...

What is, "Obama wrapped in a towel"?

10 CIA Reject  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:47:30pm

Over? Nothing is over...

11 nigella  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:48:43pm

I loved the part where McCain said I'm not Bush and if you wanted to run against him you should have run 4 years ago!

12 CIA Reject  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:49:01pm

re: #1 jaunte

skinny, dry, annoying...

And smug, I hate smug...

13 Griffon  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:49:38pm

I had company and didn't get to listen closely to the debate. I haven't figured out all these Senator Government comments. Did McCain call Obama Senator Government or vice versa?

14 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:49:50pm

re: #12 CIA Reject

And smug, I hate smug...

Then I'll bet you just LOVE Michelle Obama!

15 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:49:54pm

re: #11 nigella

I loved the part where McCain said I'm not Bush and if you wanted to run against him you should have run 4 years ago!

That was awesome, and I thought I heard an audible gasp from the audience.

Anyone else hear that?

16 Syrah  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:49:59pm

re: #4 Sharmuta

Do NOT give in to defeatism.

Defeat Defeatism!

Send McCain & Palin a check Lizards!

How much is victory worth to you?

17 opnion  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:50:00pm

Oh this is good, an apologist for Obama, from the Chicago Sun Times on with Greta.
He says that Obama did not launch his career in Ayers living room.
No it was a Ramada Inn & the Ayers coffee was three days later.
Ok, isn't that a difference without meaning?

18 JacksonTn  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:50:04pm

re: #7 Wyatt Earp

Fear not, the MSM would disagree that Teddy Roosevelt was a great President.

Didn't Joe Biden already do something like that .... oh, no, that was the tv and FDR ....... oh, well ...... hair plugs too deep ......

19 CIA Reject  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:50:30pm

re: #14 Wyatt Earp

Then I'll bet you just LOVE Michelle Obama!

Ah...... no.

20 jaunte  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:50:47pm

re: #15 Sharmuta

Yes, the audience broke the silence pledge for that one.

21 CheDub  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:50:56pm

Considering hippos are responsible for more attacks on humans that crocs in Africa, it appears we either look tasty (doubtful since they're vegetarians) or like a credible threat.

Oh, was that rhetorical?

22 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:51:05pm

re: #19 CIA Reject

Ah...... no.

Forgot to add "/sarc"

23 RTLM  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:51:18pm

Barack Hussein Obama - Man from Four fathers.

(Obama,Wright,Ayers, Farrakhan,Pfleger)

And one crazy uncle.

(Jackson)

24 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:51:24pm

re: #13 Griffon

I had company and didn't get to listen closely to the debate. I haven't figured out all these Senator Government comments. Did McCain call Obama Senator Government or vice versa?

McCain had this great moment when his mouth didn't move as fast as his mind did and blurted out "Senator Government" whilst speaking of Obama.

/I think it's a tag line to take to the bank.

25 logboy  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:51:34pm

Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

26 freedomplow  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:51:37pm

The MSM is out of control.

Never seen such a disgusting display of partisanship.

Way worse than 4 years ago.

27 empills  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:51:54pm

Anyone here know the status of the federal lawsuit filed against Obama and the DNC?

28 jaunte  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:52:10pm

Goodnight all.

29 RTLM  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:52:15pm

pimf - five fathers

30 jorline  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:52:17pm

I posted this earlier in a fast moving thread.

Obama said he was for wind and geothermal energy.

All we need to do is hook a hose up to his mouth and ass and the energy problem is solved.

31 nigella  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:52:26pm

Yeah, he is skinny.... All the fat people of American unite! We don't want any skinny person running the USA!.... OK, but it was worth a try. We don't seem to get any of the "smart" elite people on our side. I'm sure there is a whole lot more fat " people.....

32 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:52:34pm

re: #25 logboy

Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

Had that movie been made in today's uber-liberal Hollywood, Bluto would have probably said, "Was it over when George Bush bombed the World Trade Center?"

33 krycek  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:52:40pm

The two best lines of the night are "Joe the plumber" and "Senator Government". Gotta love it! Those two lines will resonate. They are also perfect for t shirts and bumper stickers.

34 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:53:11pm

re: #27 empills

Are you talking about the ACORN/RICO investigation?

35 CIA Reject  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:53:25pm

re: #22 Wyatt Earp

Forgot to add "/sarc"

No need, no need at all my friend!

36 Griffon  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:53:32pm

re: #24 Badge of Kaffir Pride

McCain had this great moment when his mouth didn't move as fast as his mind did and blurted out "Senator Government" whilst speaking of Obama.

/I think it's a tag line to take to the bank.

Thanks, Badge. That is a good name for him. I hope he doesn't move up in rank to President Government.

37 CheDub  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:53:34pm

re: #32 Wyatt Earp

Had that movie been made in today's uber-liberal Hollywood, Bluto would have probably said, "Was it over when George Bush bombed the World Trade Center?"

Or the Jooooooos

38 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:53:39pm

re: #34 Sharmuta

Are you talking about the ACORN/RICO investigation?

I presume he means Berg v. Messiah.

39 Palandine  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:53:56pm
Behold the hippopotamus!
We laugh at how he looks to us,
And yet in moments dank and grim,
I wonder how we look to him.

— Ogden Nash

Crunchy, and good with ketchup? ;)

Went into the bedroom to set the alarm clock, and saw the following above the crawl on Fox: "Obama: 'Bitter' remark was boneheaded."

3 weeks before the election, he's bringing up the bitter clingers and Murtha (*spit*) is talking about how racist his Pennsylvania constituents are. Yeah, sure this is a party that's winning. They're already spinning their loss. Obama must have some really disturbing internal polls.

The media are lying.

McCain wins 11/4.

40 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:54:05pm

re: #37 CheDub

Or the Jooooooos

Jesse Jackson presents, "Animal House."

41 Desert Dog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:54:09pm

re: #26 freedomplow

The MSM is out of control.

Never seen such a disgusting display of partisanship.

Way worse than 4 years ago.

They should be careful what they ask for. Obama may get in there and join the ranks of Jimmah as one of the weakest Presidents ever. I wonder how they will spin the slow and downward slide of the USA under BO? They are cannibals, they will turn on him and bring him down as hard and fast as they propped him up.

42 freedomplow  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:54:14pm

MSNBC and NBC should be classified as a 507.

43 BlueCanuck  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:54:39pm

Ah politicians. Even evil doers have some idea.

44 Griffon  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:54:39pm

re: #25 logboy

Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?


Huh? Is this a joke?

45 Desert Dog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:54:45pm

re: #31 nigella

Yeah, he is skinny.... All the fat people of American unite! We don't want any skinny person running the USA!.... OK, but it was worth a try. We don't seem to get any of the "smart" elite people on our side. I'm sure there is a whole lot more fat " people.....

I'm with you! But, can we stop at McDonalds first, I am starved!

46 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:54:48pm

re: #42 freedomplow

MSNBC and NBC should be classified as a 507.

Some of us aren't American. I think I know what a 527 is but what's a 507?

47 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:55:17pm

re: #27 empills

Anyone here know the status of the federal lawsuit filed against Obama and the DNC?

Birth certificate?

48 JacksonTn  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:55:22pm

re: #23 RTLM

Barack Hussein Obama - Man from Four fathers.

(Obama,Wright,Ayers, Farrakhan,Pfleger)

And one crazy uncle.

(Jackson)

Hey ........ I ain't related to Senator Government ......

49 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:55:23pm

re: #44 Griffon

Huh? Is this a joke?

Line from "Animal House."

50 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:55:33pm

re: #44 Griffon

Huh? Is this a joke?

See Animal House.

/My interpretation skills for LGF are $15/hr. ;)

51 empills  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:55:43pm

Berg vs Barry whats his name

52 opnion  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:56:07pm

Unbelieveable campaign! Rampant voter fraud, MSM partisanship, Obama Campaign attempts at prior restraint from criticism, vandalism against those with McCain bumper stickers & yard signs. What would an Obama presidency be like?

53 unclassifiable  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:56:29pm

re: #15 Sharmuta

That's nothing. Wait for the gasp on 11/4/2008.

54 CIA Reject  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:56:43pm

re: #44 Griffon

Huh? Is this a joke?

McCain may be on "double secret probation" right now, but I think come election day we'll see BO playing the part of dean Wormer.

55 SpartanWoman  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:56:48pm

re: #52 opnion

Unbelieveable campaign! Rampant voter fraud, MSM partisanship, Obama Campaign attempts at prior restraint from criticism, vandalism against those with McCain bumper stickers & yard signs. What would an Obama presidency be like?

Stepping barefoot in horse shit?

56 opnion  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:57:15pm

Goodnight!

57 Desert Dog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:57:16pm

re: #55 SpartanWoman

Stepping barefoot in FRESH horse shit?

58 freedomplow  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:57:17pm

re: #46 Badge of Kaffir Pride

Some of us aren't American. I think I know what a 527 is but what's a 507?

You are right.

527.

59 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:57:22pm

re: #51 empills

Berg vs Barry whats his name

I have been hoping to hear ,,but not a word,,YET.

60 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:57:25pm

re: #17 opnion

Oh this is good, an apologist for Obama, from the Chicago Sun Times on with Greta.
He says that Obama did not launch his career in Ayers living room.
No it was a Ramada Inn & the Ayers coffee was three days later.
Ok, isn't that a difference without meaning?

Would that be Lynn Sweet?

61 Syrah  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:57:32pm

And a goodnight to all the Lizards out there from me.

I am in serious violation of the Iron Fist rule at this moment. I am so smashed that if it were not for spell check I would not be able to post at all.

Send the McCain & Palin campaign some of your dough.

Ask yourself how much it is worth to you to have McCain as President instead of that zero.

Send them a check.

Some things must be done.

Do Them!

62 nigella  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:57:33pm

Griffon, yeah, fat drunk and stupid is no way to live..... Also animal house ..... Dean Wormer. One of the most telling movies of all time..... Toga, Toga Toga......

63 sifty  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:57:50pm
64 Hapster  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:58:05pm

re: #42 freedomplow

how about CNN, CBS and ABC..

65 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:58:10pm

re: #53 unclassifiable

That's nothing. Wait for the gasp on 11/4/2008.

Heh!

66 JacksonTn  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:58:35pm

Go to Defendmyvote.com ....... help Ohio defend the votes ....

67 Griffon  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:58:44pm

re: #49 Wyatt Earp

Line from "Animal House."

Gosh, That's my 2nd favorite movie and I've seen it many times, but I don't remember that line. Good grief. Now I'll have to watch it again. It must have gone straight over my head!

68 unclassifiable  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:58:48pm

re: #25 logboy

Forget it, he's on a roll.

/I think that was what McCain's advisers said after the Senator Government "slip".

69 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:58:57pm

re: #58 freedomplow

You are right.

527.

I didn't mean to be right since I was just curious. 527s are.... groups acting for a candidate, yes? Ref'd by tax code number?

70 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:58:58pm
Now remember, things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean. I mean plumb, mad-dog mean. 'Cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live nor win. That's just the way it is.

/Josey Wales

71 SpartanWoman  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:59:07pm

re: #53 unclassifiable

That's nothing. Wait for the gasp on 11/4/2008.

I wanna see Chris Matthews cry on the air

72 Shug  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:59:24pm

Hippo
Harpo
Oprah
Obama

Let's throw the whole bunch out

73 BlueCanuck  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:59:28pm

re: #55 SpartanWoman

Stepping barefoot in horse shit?

Nah, even the fresh stuff ain't that bad. Try cow meadow muffins. That's what it would be like.

/either fresh or a couple days old.

74 Griffon  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:59:50pm

re: #50 Badge of Kaffir Pride

See Animal House.

/My interpretation skills for LGF are $15/hr. ;)

ROFL, I must be a LOT slow tonight. I DO need an interpreter. Do you take Pay Pal?

75 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 9:59:52pm

re: #71 SpartanWoman

I wanna see Chris Matthews cry on the air

There will be another chill going down his leg when he wets himself.

76 Desert Dog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:00:00pm

re: #70 Killian Bundy

My fav Clint movie of all time.....Dirty Harry a close second

77 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:00:12pm

I give the birth cert story a big GAZE. Anywho:

ACORN/RICO update

78 SpartanWoman  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:00:22pm

re: #73 BlueCanuck

Nah, even the fresh stuff ain't that bad. Try cow meadow muffins. That's what it would be like.

/either fresh or a couple days old.

I will concede that my experience with barnyard excrement is limited and yield to your experience

79 Shug  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:00:56pm

re: #44 Griffon

Huh? Is this a joke?


You mind if we dance wiff yo dates?

80 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:00:57pm

re: #74 Griffon

ROFL, I must be a LOT slow tonight. I DO need an interpreter. Do you take Pay Pal?

Only for eBay refunds. :)

You missed the best half hour of this campaign in the start of the debate. McC was on fire. Like Rudy G kinda fire.

81 JacksonTn  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:01:23pm

re: #66 JacksonTn

Go to Defendmyvote.com ....... help Ohio defend the votes ....

Sign the petition ....... I heard of it from the ex Ohio Secretary of State ..... forget his name ....... black guy on fox

82 Hapster  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:01:29pm

re: #71 SpartanWoman

Man .. I wanna see mathews and olbershit with tingles up their ass. same with the CNN shills

83 Palandine  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:01:40pm

re: #75 Wyatt Earp

There will be another chill going down his leg when he wets himself.

I said it last night, and I'll say it again:

On election night, I'm going to drink a lot of Maker's Mark and pretend it's Keith Olberman's tears.

/They taste so sweet.

84 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:01:56pm

I noticed in the last thread some comments were about how the Republican party has come undone, blah, blah. Folks, when you are in party, you are in a diverse group of people that hopefully can get a political or economic objective accomplished. It is not necessary that you like or even approve of every single one of the people in the party. In fact, that is almost impossible. Don't even try.

Seriously, sometimes I think playing in bands all these years has helped me in this regard. I play music with people that I disagree with on almost every single issue, even with people with whom I have not spoken for years. But, to the listener, it all sounds like music and no one knows the difference.

85 CIA Reject  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:01:57pm

Well I have to bid all you good folks good night, but after tonight's debate I'm feeling much more confident that I'll wake up on November 5th to the MSM telling me that I'm a RACIST!

And that's a Good Thing...

Weet dreams all!

86 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:02:19pm

re: #70 Killian Bundy

/Josey Wales

My favorite western of all time.
"Looks like we whipped em agin Josey"

87 Desert Dog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:02:32pm

re: #78 SpartanWoman

I will concede that my experience with barnyard excrement is limited and yield to your experience

One man's poop, is another man's sport

88 CheDub  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:02:57pm

Well shortly after the debate I watched the classic Marx Brothers film "Duck Soup" and this scene jumped out as exactly how I would envision the 0bama administration.

And this is only Marx I would recommend being a fan of.

89 nigella  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:03:39pm

Griffon, just looked at your avatar. Do you have a wirehaired pointing griffon? We lost our german wirehaired pointer last Christmas We were considering a Pointing Griffon. My avatar is our English setter Nigel.

90 Griffon  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:03:53pm

re: #80 Badge of Kaffir Pride

Only for eBay refunds. :)

You missed the best half hour of this campaign in the start of the debate. McC was on fire. Like Rudy G kinda fire.

It's rerunning here now and I'm going to watch it again without company jabbering!

91 Desert Dog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:04:25pm

re: #86 Oldasdirt

My favorite western of all time.
"Looks like we whipped em agin Josey"

"Everytime I get to liking someone, they ain't around long"

"I noticed that every time to get to disliking someone, they ain't around very long either"

92 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:04:26pm

re: #86 Oldasdirt

My favorite western of all time.
"Looks like we whipped em agin Josey"

/Are you gonna pull those pistols or whistle Dixie?

93 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:04:37pm

re: #90 Griffon

It's rerunning here now and I'm going to watch it again without company jabbering!

Getcha popcorn ready 'cause it's gooooooooood.

94 BlueCanuck  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:04:41pm

re: #78 SpartanWoman

heh, not that much. But I did work on a small farm for a summer. Highlights of the day? Shoveling out the pigs stalls, and cleaning up after cows when they were finished being milked.

95 OtisMyMan  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:05:27pm

We're so happy to be back here at the Dexter Lake Club. We'd like to perform for you a tune entitled Shama Lama Obama Ding Dong. So Hit It!

96 runrabbitrun  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:05:51pm

test

(okay, can't resist a p.s.: agree with Dick Morris that Mac did very well, and has prepared a clear message to deliver to voters in the final stretch :) )

97 Desert Dog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:06:05pm

re: #95 OtisMyMan

"Mind if we dance with your dates?"

98 CheDub  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:06:53pm

re: #95 OtisMyMan

Do you girls come here often?

99 BlueCanuck  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:06:54pm

re: #87 Desert Dog

One man's poop, is another man's sport

Ever hear of meadow muffin bingo? Feed a cow up than let it loose in a meadow that's been gridded off. Place your bets where the meadow muffin is going to end up first.

/popular in some country fairs.

100 Palandine  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:07:08pm

Wheeee!

/brother, can you spare a dime another trillion dollars?

I can't even begin to comprehend that figure, a trillion. Makes my head hurt.

101 nigella  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:07:12pm

otismyman..... otis my man..... shamalamading dong. Fawn was my fiancee she was killed in a tragic kiln accident.........

102 OtisMyMan  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:07:52pm

"Primitive Cultures"

103 Palandine  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:08:07pm

re: #95 OtisMyMan

We're so happy to be back here at the Dexter Lake Club. We'd like to perform for you a tune entitled Shama Lama Obama Ding Dong. So Hit It!

With your nic, looks like you've been waiting a long time for that quote. ;)

104 nigella  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:08:47pm

OtisMyMan don't you know in Obama "speak" that's racist!?

105 SurferDoc  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:09:13pm

re: #70 Killian Bundy

/Josey Wales

Wow! I was just thinking "Are you gonna pull those pistols or whistle Dixie?"

106 SpartanWoman  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:09:45pm
107 OtisMyMan  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:09:54pm

re: #103 Palandine

With your nic, looks like you've been waiting a long time for that quote. ;)

All things come to those who waits. Can't wait for Mac to rock the house!

108 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:10:22pm

Past mid-night.But what a great night,,Take good care everyone. Nite

109 logboy  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:11:02pm

TOGA! TOGA!

110 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:11:37pm

So how did Ron Paul do in the polls?

111 OtisMyMan  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:12:06pm

re: #104 nigella

OtisMyMan don't you know in Obama "speak" that's racist!?

Ahm jes tryin to speaks fluid Obonics.

112 freedomplow  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:12:06pm

The biggest thing that liberals and Obama supporters are pissed off about...

A free Iraq...

28 Million people are now free in Iraq under GWB and that drives liberals insane.

Liberals wanted to see a lost uncontrollable Iraq.

It's the truth and it is dishonorable to infinity.

113 Palandine  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:12:11pm

re: #100 Palandine

From wikipedia:

10^12
(1 000 000 000 000; 10004; short scale: one trillion; long scale: one billion)

ISO: tera- (T)

BioMed — Bacteria on the human body: the surface of the human body houses roughly 1012 bacteria.[1]
Mathematics: 1.1×1012 - The approximate number of known non-trivial zeros of Riemann zeta function as of August 2005.[4]
Mathematics — Known digits of pi: As of 2002, the number of known digits of pi was 1 241 100 000 000.
Marine biology: 3,500,000,000,000 - estimated population of fish in the ocean.
BioMed — Cells in the human body: the human body consists of roughly 1014 cells, of which only 1013 are human.[2][3] The remainder of the cells are bacteria, which mostly reside in the gastrointestinal tract, although the skin is also covered in bacteria.
Computing - MAC-48: 281,474,976,710,656 (248) possible unique physical addresses.
Mathematics: 953,467,954,114,363 is the largest known Motzkin prime.
Computing — magnetic storage: 1TB largest 3.5inch hard disk as of 2007.

114 SpartanWoman  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:13:08pm

re: #110 Fenway_Nation

So how did Ron Paul do in the polls?

Speaking of RP, a house near me that has been sporting a RP sign now wears a McCain Palin one. A reassuring sign of sorts

115 JacksonTn  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:13:10pm

re: #106 SpartanWoman

Politico gives indies to McCain

AA vote for Senator Government --- 88 - 10 ...... shocked

/

116 legalpad  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:13:37pm

re: #5 nigella

When you are not drained, read this. It's been posted before, but it helps in understand polls and what the left is trying to do with them. In short, they lie. They plan to lie in order to influence people who are more subject to peer-pressure.

117 CheDub  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:14:16pm

re: #113 Palandine

3,500,000,000,000? Really? You should probably go count em all to make sure that's accurate ;)

118 JeremiahRight  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:14:24pm

here's one for the history buffs:

History repeats itself, The Panic of 1819

The panic of 1819 followed a period of high foreign demand for American farm goods and thus of exceptionally high prices for American farmers. The rising prices for farm goods had stimulated a land boom in the western United States. Fueled by speculative investments, land prices soared.

The availability of easy credit to settlers and speculators, from the government (under the land acts of 1800 and 1804), from state banks and wildcat banks, even for a time from the rechartered Bank of the United States, fueled the land boom. Beginning in 1819, however, new management at the national bank began tightening credit, calling in loans, and foreclosing mortgages. This precipitated a series of failures by state banks, and the result was a financial panic. Six years of depression followed.

I came across this in a book I was reading tonight and the last part sounded eerily familiar

119 SpartanWoman  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:14:48pm

re: #115 JacksonTn

AA vote for Senator Government --- 88 - 10 ...... shocked

/

Me too actually I'd have expected 98% at least. 88% means Obama lost, imo

120 JacksonTn  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:14:54pm

That claim Senator Government made about "kill him" in Scranton has been found to be ........... false ........... I don't have link ........ I will look for it

121 legalpad  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:15:05pm

re: #6 jacksontn

Joe the Plumber can kick Senator Government's ass .......

LOL!

122 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:15:08pm

re: #105 SurferDoc

Wow! I was just thinking "Are you gonna pull those pistols or whistle Dixie?"

/ I didn't surrender, but they took my horse and made him surrender, they have him pulling a wagon up in Kansas I bet.

123 SpartanWoman  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:15:23pm

re: #120 JacksonTn

That claim Senator Government made about "kill him" in Scranton has been found to be ........... false ........... I don't have link ........ I will look for it

There's a link on HotAir

124 Archimedes  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:15:40pm

One Hippopotami

125 Desert Dog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:15:45pm

re: #118 JeremiahRight

Was there an inexperienced empty suit loaded up with nothing but pure ambition and hubris that came in to save the day?

126 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:15:49pm

re: #113 Palandine

From wikipedia:

10^12
(1 000 000 000 000; 10004; short scale: one trillion; long scale: one billion)

ISO: tera- (T)

BioMed — Bacteria on the human body: the surface of the human body houses roughly 1012 bacteria.[1]
Mathematics: 1.1×1012 - The approximate number of known non-trivial zeros of Riemann zeta function as of August 2005.[4]
Mathematics — Known digits of pi: As of 2002, the number of known digits of pi was 1 241 100 000 000.
Marine biology: 3,500,000,000,000 - estimated population of fish in the ocean.
BioMed — Cells in the human body: the human body consists of roughly 1014 cells, of which only 1013 are human.[2][3] The remainder of the cells are bacteria, which mostly reside in the gastrointestinal tract, although the skin is also covered in bacteria.
Computing - MAC-48: 281,474,976,710,656 (248) possible unique physical addresses.
Mathematics: 953,467,954,114,363 is the largest known Motzkin prime.
Computing — magnetic storage: 1TB largest 3.5inch hard disk as of 2007.

Elections: Amount of trees killed refuting Senator Government's ideas on government policy. Also, the number of times voting present.

127 JacksonTn  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:16:01pm

re: #120 JacksonTn

That claim Senator Government made about "kill him" in Scranton has been found to be ........... false ........... I don't have link ........ I will look for it

Link ......[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]

Another lie .........

128 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:16:07pm

Conceding to defeat before the battle is even waged is always going to put you in the losers column.

129 legalpad  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:16:15pm

re: #10 CIA Reject

Over? Nothing is over...

You like that movie, don't you ?

130 SurferDoc  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:16:46pm

re: #115 JacksonTn

AA vote for Senator Government --- 88 - 10 ...... shocked

/

Here's to the brave ten!

131 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:17:24pm
Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.

/Missouri Boat Ride

132 SurferDoc  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:17:39pm

re: #122 Killian Bundy

/ I didn't surrender, but they took my horse and made him surrender, they have him pulling a wagon up in Kansas I bet.

"Your words of death have iron in them for all Comanches to see..."

133 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:17:46pm

re: #130 SurferDoc

Here's to the brave ten!

Let's pour out some of our forty in tribute!

///

134 JeremiahRight  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:17:50pm

re: #105 SurferDoc

Wow! I was just thinking "Are you gonna pull those pistols or whistle Dixie?"

pull those pistols

135 JacksonTn  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:18:00pm

Defend my vote Petition ...... please sign ......

[Link: defendmyvote.com...]

136 soccerdad  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:18:23pm

Missed the debate.....sounds like y'all think Johnny Mac won. Good thing.. he needed to show well.

GO PHILLIES!

137 nigella  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:18:32pm

legalpad, thanks for the positive take. I've read those and agree. Just tonight I thought at least fox would think McCain won. I'm being enirely honest in telling you that McCain was my bottom choice. I liked Guiliani and Thompson . That being said I decided to back McCain when he got the nomination.I guess I don't need the media to verify who I think is the better of the two candidates.

138 SurferDoc  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:18:57pm

re: #134 JeremiahRight

pull those pistols

Great shirt! They look like 1917's.

139 JeremiahRight  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:19:04pm

re: #125 Desert Dog

Was there an inexperienced empty suit loaded up with nothing but pure ambition and hubris that came in to save the day?

well, next President was Andrew Jackson, so...

140 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:19:17pm

re: #70 Killian Bundy

/Josey Wales

the one hope of the doomed is not to hope for safety.

Virgil

141 Palandine  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:19:39pm

re: #128 Sharmuta

Conceding to defeat before the battle is even waged is always going to put you in the losers column.

To quote BabbaZee (and some other author ;) ):

"I bid you STAND, Men of the West!"

142 CheDub  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:20:55pm

re: #118 JeremiahRight

Would it be a book worth reading? If so, what's the title? If not (and it sounds like a dry academic history book), well... uhh...nevermind.

143 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:21:04pm

I bet the Senator Government thing is going to generate buzz like the "That One" garbage did.

144 unclassifiable  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:21:09pm

re: #100 Palandine

When was the last time you heard a broker whisper "Blue Horse Shoe Loves Norway"?

145 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:22:18pm

re: #132 SurferDoc

"Your words of death have iron in them for all Comanches to see..."

/that's true, I ain't promising you nothing extra. I'm just giving you life and you're giving me life . . .

146 least  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:22:39pm

Posted this on an earlier thread -- but everyone had moved on to the debate threads while I was composing ("It sure is quiet out there." "Yeah! Too quiet.") I wanted to get all y'alls take on what I observed. And to ask, have any of you folks noted similar stuff?

= = = = = = = = = =

Last night, I was to meet some associates @ Borders Books.
There was a shrine (disguised as a book display) to the Obamessiah right at the entryway -- it featured at least 10 different books about BO. In the tweaked view of Borders, these were "balanced" by 1 copy of the McCain autobiography.

My curiosity piqued, I went further into the store to look at a display titled "Know Before You Vote" -- it featured a plethora of moonbat screeds about how bad America is and how bad Republicans are and . . . well . . . it was if the Kossacks were in charge of displays at Borders. There was, however 1 title that featured Governor Palin -- from an author who'd fit right in at the HuffPo or DU.

So I looked around some more -- the leftward slant was all over the store.

147 Timbre  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:23:13pm

Come on, Americans, Stick It Out. Don't swallow the poison , your pride, your anger, or the lies of the Left. Spit it out!

148 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:23:22pm

re: #112 freedomplow

Back in the day, that would've made for some good movies.

Nowadays....well....when was the last time you heard 'good movie' and 'Iraq war' in the same sentence?

149 kansas  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:24:28pm

re: #27 empills

Anyone here know the status of the federal lawsuit filed against Obama and the DNC?

Yeah, they're gonna wait till he's inaugurated to look into that.////

150 SurferDoc  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:25:03pm

re: #145 Killian Bundy

/that's true, I ain't promising you nothing extra. I'm just giving you life and you're giving me life . . .

In that scene, the Indian Chief's facial expression says' "This white man is a dangerous nut. I better not piss him off!"

151 JeremiahRight  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:25:09pm

re: #142 CheDub

definitely a dry academic history book, not worth reading. Makes me want to have my brains smashed out by a slice of lemon wrapped around a large gold brick :)

152 gman  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:25:27pm

Just started looking into the CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll.

Opinion Research Corp. is ran by (InfoGroup) old friends of the Dems

Surprise

153 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:26:30pm

re: #151 JeremiahRight

definitely a dry academic history book, not worth reading. Makes me want to have my brains smashed out by a slice of lemon wrapped around a large gold brick :)

Just so long as you know the support groups for after. Or chase it with some Ol' Janx Spirit!

154 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:28:35pm

re: #148 Fenway_Nation

Nowadays....well....when was the last time you heard 'good movie' and 'Iraq war' in the same sentence?

Generation Kill is good, accurate to a fault, and disturbing.

/based on a true story with some of the participants even playing themselves

155 kansas  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:28:45pm

re: #54 CIA Reject

McCain may be on "double secret probation" right now, but I think come election day we'll see BO playing the part of dean Wormer.

So is Otter gonna bang Dean Wormer's wife?

156 JeremiahRight  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:28:48pm

you mean that sinful Old Janx Spirit?

157 Lorenska  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:28:57pm

re: #120 JacksonTn


Here's the exact link:
[Link: www.timesleader.com...]

158 CheDub  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:29:30pm

re: #151 JeremiahRight

Just as I feared. Just remember that reading through it is for a good cause. Well, unless Obama wins, then you're better off dropping out and letting the govmnt take care of you, but I digress...

159 HHC 2-2 SCR  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:29:50pm

I got up at 3am to watch the debate, I had to walk away after the mediator asked them to be specific on what spending they would cut. Obama was up first, he danced around it per usual. Then it was McCain's turn, the moderator interrupted him and told him to be specific, so Mac rattled off a bunch of things he would cut. Right then and there Obama lost the debate to me and Scheifer proved beyond any doubt that MSM is in the tank for Obama. Or maybe I was just groggy and didn't hear all the useless programs Obama said he would cut so he didn't need to be told to be specific.

On the upside my daughter just told me they're learning the song American Tears in music class and are trying to get approval to sing it at the welcome home ceremony. She also gets to share in the honor, that's how she describes it, of saying the Pledge of Allegiance over the school intercom.
After hearing MSM report on the debate I was disheartened, then my daughter gave me hope that all is not lost.

160 legalpad  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:30:13pm

re: #137 nigella

Guiliani and Thompson

Those were my first picks as well.

161 Odinga  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:30:17pm

Perhaps the best news for McCain is the rating he received from independent voters. Among respondents not identified with either major political party, McCain was judged tonight’s winner, 51-42 percent.

link

162 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:30:55pm

re: #156 JeremiahRight

you mean that sinful Old Janx Spirit?

"For my head will fly, my tongue will lie, my eyes will fry and I may die"

/Theme song from the Zero's campaign.

163 Killer Tomato  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:31:53pm

re: #128 Sharmuta

OK - got the sticker done.
Kind of cheated though.

I bought a package of 'magnet sheets' (from Staples) - they're 8 1/2 x 11 sheets of refrigerator magnet material.
Took my McCain bumper sticker, and stuck it on the sheet. Trimmed around the sticker, leaving a border.
I drive about 130 miles a day - a lot of people see my car.
I'll put the sticker on the car when I leave the house, and remove it once the car is parked - lessening the chance of it being keyed while sitting unattended somewhere, but still broadcasting the message "you're not alone" when I'm on the road.

164 JacksonTn  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:32:10pm

Ya think ............

[Link: www.politico.com...]

165 Scion9  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:32:45pm

re: #114 SpartanWoman

Speaking of RP, a house near me that has been sporting a RP sign now wears a McCain Palin one. A reassuring sign of sorts

Yeah, I thought that Obama had a lock on the deranged and maniacal, but if McCain is starting to win even them over...

166 wolfie  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:33:20pm

re: #163 Killer Tomato

That's a great idea, Killer.
I think I'll steal it!

167 Lorenska  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:34:17pm

re: #159 HHC 2-2 SCR

You took the words right out of my mouth...I spend the debates screaming at my TV, the moderators are ALL so obviously giving Obama every advantage and bowing to his every word. Everytime McCain says something, even when Obama has already gone first, Obama has to jump in at the end with just "one last thing on that topic," so that he always gets the last word - it's not supposed to work that way, but the moderators have let it happen every time, so that McCain always gets called a liar and then told it's time to move on. I think McCain made some good points tonight, but he needs to scream so much louder about the Ayers/Wright issue and the socialism that Obama wants to impose, it's like these topics are just by-the-ways rather than the MAIN problems with Obama.

168 Killer Tomato  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:34:43pm

re: #166 wolfie

You're welcome to it - pass it around!

169 JeremiahRight  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:37:00pm

re: #137 nigella

re: #160 legalpad

quick un-scientific poll to late-night lizards:
who was your pick in the primaries?

mine was Romney
(in the CA primary, only days before he dropped out of the race during his spectacular speech at CPAC)

170 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:37:59pm

re: #169 JeremiahRight

Fred

171 Price_of_Peace  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:38:22pm

After hearing Obama talk so much about distributing the wealth so it will "fair" to everyone, my wife asked if he would distribute half of his campaign money and half of his votes to the McCain ticket. Not holding my breath.

172 unclassifiable  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:39:11pm

Good night lizards.

Truly I feel better than the last debate.

The revolution will not be televised.

It will be live-blogged.

173 JacksonTn  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:39:16pm

JOE THE PLUMBER VIDEO FROM CAVUTO:

You have to watch .......... this may take Senator Government down ...

174 SurferDoc  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:39:28pm

re: #169 JeremiahRight

re: #160 legalpad

quick un-scientific poll to late-night lizards:
who was your pick in the primaries?

mine was Romney
(in the CA primary, only days before he dropped out of the race during his spectacular speech at CPAC)

Fred--but he disappointed me so fast with his lack of drive!

175 CheDub  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:41:27pm

re: #169 JeremiahRight

Mine was McCain. I was a supporter of his in 2000 as well. I didn't think he had a snowball's chance in hell of winning the primary and I was obviously (yet, happily) wrong. It'll be nice to see him come from behind again to win one in a few weeks.

176 JacksonTn  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:41:29pm

Charles ...... can you do a thread on Joe the Plumber tomorrow ......

177 Lorenska  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:41:59pm

re: #171 Price_of_Peace


Yeah, considering how little he gives to charity - and Biden gives less than 1% of his income! - it never fails to amaze me how quick he is to offer to give everyone else's money away. And the fact that no one sees this for the flat out socialism that it is just frightens me - are Americans really this misinformed? Or just this gullible? I mean, are his wealth reallocation policies even constitutional?

178 legalpad  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:43:35pm

Last thought on optimism:

I hear some talk that Obama won the debate, Obama is going to win, etc., but here's the thing: Practical optimism is more fun. Practical, meaning that it does allow you to drop your guard, but you think you are going to win. In combat, it has been recommended "Do not anticipate the outcome of a fight." Why? Because you are too busy getting ready to flinch, or the equivalent. It distracts you from your productivity, your focus, your perception, it drains your energy. That is why "defeatism" in any form, is self-fulfilling. Focus on winning, and only winning. That includes defense. If you do lose, it will not be your fault, and then you can focus on your new mode of fighting in the Resistance. And you will be as focused in that fight as you were in the previous one, because that is your habit. You are not like the interpreter on the stairs in Band of Brothers.

179 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:44:18pm

re: #173 JacksonTn

JOE THE PLUMBER VIDEO FROM CAVUTO:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

You have to watch .......... this may take Senator Government down ...

Now I understand why McC was all over this guy this week.

180 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:44:31pm

PIMF: during the debate.

181 krycek  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:45:08pm

Tell the gift shop to stock "Senator Government Sucks" bumper stickers

182 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:45:26pm

re: #148 Fenway_Nation

Nowadays....well....when was the last time you heard 'good movie' and 'Iraq war' in the same sentence?

You also need to watch Bravo Two Zero

/a very famous true story from GWI

183 JeremiahRight  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:45:31pm

re: #169 JeremiahRight

it's not that I don't support McCain, because I do 100%, I was just trying to plumb the depths of nocturnal lizard ideology. So far I have 3 responses from 212 logged in...

184 CheDub  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:45:35pm

Tis time to say goodnight as I depart to the land of slumber. Good night fellow Lizards!

185 wolfie  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:45:37pm

re: #178 legalpad

Wonderfully said!

186 lostlakehiker  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:45:46pm

Just a thought...any living creature is in some way not ridiculous. It is, after all, a survivor. Most species that ever existed are long since extinct. Now, consider the hippo. It sits there in the mud, eyes above the water and maybe nostrils. Crocodiles swim and slither in the vicinity. Why do they leave the hippo be?

Because it's fat like a weight lifter is fat. Because its funny pairs of peg teeth are plenty sturdy enough to paper-punch right through a croc's hide, and they're driven by massive jaw muscles. Because you don't want to make a hippo mad, in short.

187 Scion9  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:46:03pm

re: #146 least

The leftist slant isn't at Borders, it is at the publishing companies. Regnery is really the only publisher that will do 'right-wing' books, which is just a trickle in comparison to the vastness of the rest of the industry. There are books published as counter-points to the leftist flood, but only a few from notable authors and pundits make their way up the bestseller lists, while authors like Naomi Klein are actually mandatory reading on college campuses.

188 Gus 802  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:46:16pm

re: #163 Killer Tomato

Sad that it comes to that. I live in Ground Zero, Obamaland. I would put the sticker on but I just don't trust the "Party of Peace" Democrats around here. I know how anarchists, krunchies, and old demented hippies can get especially with their history of violence.

189 capitalist piglet  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:46:25pm

I was just watching this again, and when McCain brings up ACORN and is quite seriously talking about it tearing at the "fabric" of society (not sure what his exact words were), Obama broadly smiles, then actually starts laughing. There is an audible chuckle.

I guess it's just me, but I think that's a big mistake on Obama's part. He looks like a punk, laughing off the concerns of a statesman.

I hope they use it in an ad about ACORN. (I half wish McCain would have asked him what was so damned funny about voter fraud.)

190 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:46:52pm

Joe the Plumber is my hero.

191 realwest  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:47:35pm

re: #15 Sharmuta
I don't think I heard a gasp, but Mom and I both heard a moderate smattering of clapping hands!

192 rancher  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:47:39pm

re: #169 JeremiahRight
Fred.

193 wolfie  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:47:44pm

re: #183 JeremiahRight

I supported Ronald Reagan.
I figure he would cut heavily into the Democrats' traditional lock on the dead vote.

194 Desert Dog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:47:58pm

re: #183 JeremiahRight

I really wanted Rudy....but he was already gone when AZ voted. So, I went with McCain.

195 Desert Dog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:48:23pm

re: #190 TheMatrix31

Joe is the one we have been waiting for

196 JacksonTn  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:49:16pm

re: #195 Desert Dog

Joe is the one we have been waiting for

Isn't it always the regular guy ...... that is what Senator Government does not understand .....

197 legalpad  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:49:34pm

re: #178 legalpad

Last thought on optimism:

I hear some talk that Obama won the debate, Obama is going to win, etc., but here's the thing: Practical optimism is more fun. Practical, meaning that it does not allow you to drop your guard, but you think you are going to win. In combat, it has been recommended "Do not anticipate the outcome of a fight." Why? Because you are too busy getting ready to flinch, or the equivalent. It distracts you from your productivity, your focus, your perception, it drains your energy. That is why "defeatism" in any form, is self-fulfilling. Focus on winning, and only winning. That includes defense. If you do lose, it will not be your fault, and then you can focus on your new mode of fighting in the Resistance. And you will be as focused in that fight as you were in the previous one, because that is your habit. You are not like the interpreter on the stairs in Band of Brothers.

Damn late night proofreading.

198 realwest  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:49:51pm

re: #17 opnion
From the Chicago Sun Times? Oh yeah, that's believable, but either way you're right - it don't mean diddly - Obama started in Ayers' living room. He did that for a reason: Obama belongs in Ayers (and his ever so charming wife Bernadine Dhorn's) living room.

199 Killer Tomato  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:50:45pm

re: #188 Gus 802

I don't know if I'd call it sad, but I know what you mean. Pathetic, disgusting, frightening...
Anyway, I drive through The People's Republic of Massachusetts every day. There are still cars with Kerry/Edwards stickers on them, but surprising few Obama ones - they're conspicuous because they're almost rare. Not sure what's up, but it's certainly strange.

200 rancher  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:51:12pm

re: #177 Lorenska

...And the fact that no one sees this for the flat out socialism that it is just frightens me - are Americans really this misinformed? Or just this gullible? I mean, are his wealth reallocation policies even constitutional?

Yes, yes, and sadly, yes.

201 Price_of_Peace  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:51:32pm

re: #183 JeremiahRight

I too was for Fred and felt the same lack of resolve, so looked at Romney. I think Palin made McCain's ticket acceptable.

202 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:51:52pm

re: #154 Killian Bundy

I've heard good things about earlier (but more obscure) documentaries like Occupation: Dreamland or Gunner Palace. Apparently neither one is really agenda driven, more of a Rorschach test for the individual viewer.

203 realwest  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:51:56pm

re: #41 Desert Dog Nah, they'll just blame Bush and it'll work for about two years and then that's it, they'll eat him alive.

204 nigella  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:52:13pm

all your Joes they belong to us.... Obama campaign sarc/

205 Price_of_Peace  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:52:29pm

re: #193 wolfie

I supported Ronald Reagan.
I figure he would cut heavily into the Democrats' traditional lock on the dead vote.

lol....Good one.

206 empills  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:52:42pm

AHHH i am outnumbered at work everyone thinks Obama won and that McCain is a moron. I wish the clock would move faster befor my head explodes.

207 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:53:27pm

re: #196 JacksonTn

Isn't it always the regular guy ...... that is what Senator Government does not understand .....

/you know, between Plumber Joe and Senator Government and Lord President For Life Obama's absolute pathological inability to not prevaricate, we might just have enough time left to squeak out the needed headway

208 SurferDoc  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:54:06pm

re: #197 legalpad

Damn late night proofreading.

No problem. I read typonese.

209 Desert Dog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:54:24pm

re: #196 JacksonTn

Obama did not know how to handle the simple fact his policies have consequences. I am sure the ideas sound really great at cocktail parties with MoveOn.org and Mr. Soros, or when he and his 300 advisers are crowded around the "Round Table of Camelot" back at BOHQ. But, when someone who will actually be harmed by his policies puts him in a position he cannot wriggle out of or explain away.....that is priceless.....THANK YOU Joe, you may have turned this election.

210 gman  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:54:48pm

re: #190 TheMatrix31

Joe the Plumber is my hero.

Get em Joe!

211 empills  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:55:29pm

Joe the plumber will flush Obama's campaign down the crapper

212 nigella  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:55:55pm

One problem with Joe ..... he didn't say who he backs.... The highest bidder?

213 Gus 802  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:56:34pm

re: #199 Killer Tomato

That is kind of strange because here we have both: Kerry stickers and nauseating glut Obama stickers. We get some Mass people moving here. Lots of new LA people. When I first moved here it was Texas folks. Which is why we turned purple in Colorado.

I have an uncle, aunt, and cousin in Mass. The uncle is an old Westinghouse engineer (retired) that last I heard leaned right -- back to supporting Reagan.

But the Kerry stickers are very typical around here. Along with the "angelic figure" Obama stickers. Gives me ulcers.

214 stuiec  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:57:12pm

re: #4 Sharmuta

Do NOT give in to defeatism.

If you can't give in to defeatism, what CAN you give in to?

215 OtisMyMan  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:57:43pm

re: #199 Killer Tomato

I don't know if I'd call it sad, but I know what you mean. Pathetic, disgusting, frightening...
Anyway, I drive through The People's Republic of Massachusetts every day. There are still cars with Kerry/Edwards stickers on them, but surprising few Obama ones - they're conspicuous because they're almost rare. Not sure what's up, but it's certainly strange.

Spoke with some folks in Moonbat Minneapolis in August. They are hardcore Dems. Politics came up and they said: "We just can't get excited about this years election." My translation: They can't bring themselves to vote for Obama. This view may be more widespread than we can possibly know given the unbelievable bias in the deadstream media. I found it very interesting.

216 legalpad  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:57:44pm

Last comment tonight-

I love this "Senator Government" term we got from the debate!

good night folks-

217 nigella  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:58:36pm

Here in my neck of the woods in California, I still see old Kucinich stickers from 2004. The rest are all Obama... Every other car, Not surprised in this area.

218 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:58:48pm

re: #202 Fenway_Nation

I've heard good things about earlier (but more obscure) documentaries like Occupation: Dreamland or Gunner Palace. Apparently neither one is really agenda driven, more of a Rorschach test for the individual viewer.

/Gunner Palace is a straight up documentary, it's home movies on film, I'll have to look into the other one

219 JacksonTn  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:59:17pm

re: #212 nigella

One problem with Joe ..... he didn't say who he backs.... The highest bidder?

Did you see the video?........ Joe the Plumber does not strike me as that kind of guy .......

220 SurferDoc  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 10:59:38pm

re: #214 stuiec

If you can't give in to defeatism, what CAN you give in to?

Victory...or denial.

221 Desert Dog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:00:19pm

re: #217 nigella

Here in my neck of the woods in California, I still see old Kucinich stickers from 2004. The rest are all Obama... Every other car, Not surprised in this area.

All Hybrids too, yes?

with a COEXIST, Imagine World Peace or a 01.20.09 bumper sticker?

222 JacksonTn  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:00:39pm

Good Night Lizards ........... tomorrow the fight is on ........

223 stuiec  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:00:53pm

re: #17 opnion

Oh this is good, an apologist for Obama, from the Chicago Sun Times on with Greta.
He says that Obama did not launch his career in Ayers living room.
No it was a Ramada Inn & the Ayers coffee was three days later.
Ok, isn't that a difference without meaning?


It's actually confirmation of the point of McCain's criticism. It confirms that Obama was in Ayers's and Dohrn's living room, right at the outset of his political career. I wonder if the Ayers kaffeeklatsch was Obama's first-ever political fundraising event, or first-ever meet-and-greet? That is, something qualitatively different from the Ramada event.

224 wolfie  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:01:01pm

I am (slightly) encouraged that there are actually several McCain stickers on the cars parked at the campus where I teach. I'd say the ratio of Obama to McCain stickers is certainly no more than 2 to 1.
True, it's not exactly Berkeley, but.............

Oh. I am of course excepting the faculty parking lot from my informal study. No McCain stickers there.

225 nigella  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:01:02pm

Jackson Tn I did see it but why was he at an Obama rally? I read he hasn't made his mind up about who he backs.

226 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:01:39pm

First words on the debate story on My13 News ---

"John McCain gets feisty"

227 nigella  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:02:10pm

Desertdog, hybrids, old polluting Volvo's, and Subaru's..

228 realwest  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:02:17pm

re: #214 stuiec
NOTHING. You can't give in to anything or anyone where principles are concerned. Not even once. IF you do, you might wind up being a politician.

229 wolfie  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:03:02pm

re: #215 OtisMyMan

Very interesting.

230 realwest  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:03:18pm

Well all y'all it's been ah, interesting tonight as usual.
But I need my sleep so I'm off to bed.
I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

Good night, all.

231 freedombilly  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:03:26pm

Go Phillies!

232 Desert Dog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:03:36pm

re: #228 realwest

NOTHING. You can't give in to anything or anyone where principles are concerned. Not even once. IF you do, you might wind up being a politician.

We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France,
we shall fight on the seas and oceans,
we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be,
we shall fight on the beaches,
we shall fight on the landing grounds,
we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
we shall fight in the hills;
we shall never surrender....

233 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:03:55pm

Did Obama really "exempt" small businesses? I can already see people pointing to that as "proof" of Obama clowning McCain.

234 RTLM  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:04:06pm

I'm trying to list all the Countries Obama has either lived in or visited.

In no particular order, Indonesia, Germany, Russia, Ukraine, and Azerbaijan, Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Kuwait, Kenya, and South Africa.

Am I missing any?

Has he ever been to the U.K., Japan, Mexico, South America?

235 JacksonTn  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:04:08pm

re: #225 nigella

Jackson Tn I did see it but why was he at an Obama rally? I read he hasn't made his mind up about who he backs.

Okay ...... my last post ...... Obama was knocking on doors in Joe the Plumber neighborhold ....... you can see the houses in the background of the video ...... Joe the Plumber even references the houses in the video ........

We will win ........

236 nigella  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:05:14pm

Jackson Tn. Thanks for the info.... I too think we will win. Sweet dreams.

237 Gus 802  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:05:51pm

Drinking with Bob

No content warning.

238 Lorenska  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:06:05pm

re: #200 rancher

I knew it....I was just hoping that maybe I had missed an amendment or something that said, "Oh, and if, in 200+ years, some yahoo comes along and wants to change our basic, fundamental system of being rewarded for hard work, he must immediately be shipped to the nearest deserted island and left to redistribute the wealth there."

And #196, jacksontn, you're SOO right - it all sounds so rosy and warm and fuzzy, let's just all hold hands and SHARE, isn't that what we learn in kindergarten? Oh, but wait -if I have to share mine with him, then I have less for me, which means I have less for my family and my business, which means I fire people, which means they have less, which means they don't buy as much from the guy making pizzas down the street, which means he can't buy a new oven, so the guy who makes the doors for the ovens can't send his kid to college....hmmm, where, exactly, is the "good for everyone" part?

239 Palandine  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:07:32pm

re: #169 JeremiahRight

re: #160 legalpad

quick un-scientific poll to late-night lizards:
who was your pick in the primaries?

mine was Romney
(in the CA primary, only days before he dropped out of the race during his spectacular speech at CPAC)

Fred!
Then Rudy!
Then Romney.
McCain was #4

240 Lorenska  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:07:39pm

re: #217 nigella

Interesting, are you north or south CA? I'm south, but in a tiny sliver right by Edwards AFB, so I'm in a little pocket of sanity...but even here, 10 miles from a military base, someone put up a sign that says "Impeach the Idiot." Charming.

241 Throbert McGee  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:08:23pm

Speaking of Joes (such as the Plumber), the other evening I frittered away 20 minutes or so doing some Googling po-russki, just to see if "Joe Six Pack" and "Hockey Mom" had made into Russian-language coverage of elections -- whether on Russian-American sites, or .il sites aimed at Russian-speaking Jews, or in Russia proper.

Couldn't find any references trying to explain "Joe Six Pack" for rooskies, but "Hockey Mom" HAS been picked up by the Russian press... maybe because it's a lot simpler to translate. (It's хоккейн& #1072;я мамочка, hokkéinaya mámotchka)

242 pat  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:08:42pm
Behold the hippopotamus!
We laugh at how he looks to us,


I believe this beast may kill more people than any other in Africa. A telling metaphor for those who think they vote for reconciliation and get confrontation.

243 Spirit93  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:08:56pm

re: #206 empills

Zombie had a great essay up earlier (Zombie: The Left's Big Blunder) about among other things group think, and how some people will pretend to go along with things they don't believe, and some will actually change their beliefs because of group pressure. Regardless, congratulations on being one of the few true independent.

244 nigella  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:09:10pm

Lorenska North 50 miles north of san francisco in the most liberal bastion in California.

245 SurferDoc  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:09:15pm

re: #240 Lorenska

Interesting, are you north or south CA? I'm south, but in a tiny sliver right by Edwards AFB, so I'm in a little pocket of sanity...but even here, 10 miles from a military base, someone put up a sign that says "Impeach the Idiot." Charming.

I drive by Edwa all the time. Next time I will wave!

246 rancher  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:09:32pm

re: #199 Killer Tomato
I heard someone on Rush commenting that last election there were Kerry stickers all over his blue collar neighborhood. This year hardly any.

247 JeremiahRight  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:09:35pm

re: #240 Lorenska

Interesting, are you north or south CA? I'm south, but in a tiny sliver right by Edwards AFB, so I'm in a little pocket of sanity...but even here, 10 miles from a military base, someone put up a sign that says "Impeach the Idiot." Charming.

so they want President Cheney? Dumb-ass impeach Bush crowd doesn't understand what that would mean

248 SurferDoc  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:09:54pm

dang, my "rds" was abducted by Aliens.

249 Meremortal  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:09:59pm

Bin lurkin' around. Quick drive-by and off to bed.

As near as I can figure, Subaru wagons come from the factory with Kerry stickers.

250 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:10:22pm

re: #237 Gus 802

Drinking with Bob

No content warning.

/he should warm up Pailin for the next 19 days

251 Desert Dog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:11:23pm

re: #249 Meremortal

Bin lurkin' around. Quick drive-by and off to bed.

As near as I can figure, Subaru wagons come from the factory with Kerry stickers.

And usually pre-installed with smug asshole drivers too......but not always
(they are great snow cars though)

252 SurferDoc  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:11:23pm

re: #250 Killian Bundy

/he should warm up Pailin for the next 19 days

Dude oughta try Decaf...

253 Lorenska  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:11:39pm

re: #233 TheMatrix31

Did Obama really "exempt" small businesses? I can already see people pointing to that as "proof" of Obama clowning McCain.

I was screaming at the TV for McCain to ask Obama if he was going to be the one to define 'small' vs. 'large' businesses, like he gets to define who's wealthy at $200K. And wishing he would say, "that's still a business that ends up passing their costs on to their customers or firing people because you're forcing them to add an expense, it doesn't matter how big the business is, we all pay for it in the end."

254 SummerSong  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:12:31pm

re: #234 RTLM

255 neocon hippie  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:12:43pm

Nothing but Obama stickers in Berkeley-Oakland-SF.

Saw one McCain sign in Albany, a small city just north of Berkeley.

I was for Rudy, voted for Mitt in CA primary after Rudy dropped out. McCain is #3.

Anybody But Obama.

256 Colonel Panik  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:13:22pm

Bitter Klingers, Unite!

You have nothing to loose but your summer dresses and your M-1 Garands!

257 Meremortal  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:13:36pm

re: #251 Desert Dog

And usually pre-installed with smug asshole drivers too......but not always
(they are great snow cars though)


+
Yeah, I'm thinking about getting one, the one with the hot motor. My future is going to involve an increase in winter-time mountain driving.

258 logboy  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:14:25pm

re: #218 Killian Bundy

Search around and you'll find some Iraq documentaries. Gunner Palace, This is War, Alpha Company: Iraq Diary, Baghdad ER, etc.

If you're looking for Tom Clancy bravado BS, you can shove it up your a$$. Some of us actually went to Iraq. War is not a movie, no matter what light you cast it in.

259 Killer Tomato  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:14:45pm

re: #246 rancher

Something is definitely up.
There's a contractor that comes into our office frequently - basic L.O.S.T. guy (Left Over Sixties Type) - wears a baseball hat with 1.20.09 on the front. He's been strangely quiet since the convention.

260 Desert Dog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:14:45pm

re: #257 Meremortal

If you ski, you can't go wrong with one. I grew up in Denver and saw loads of them there. Here in AZ, not so many (gee, I wonder why?)

261 Archimedes  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:14:52pm

This Rush song really does fit our times:

262 wolfie  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:15:29pm

re: #249 Meremortal

Not my 1992 Legacy !

263 Lorenska  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:15:59pm

re: #247 JeremiahRight

so they want President Cheney? Dumb-ass impeach Bush crowd doesn't understand what that would mean

God, you're so right that they don't think through - can you imagine how they'd react to THAT scenario? What they really want is President Pelosi, which are 2 words that truly shouldn't even be allowed to be next to each other on the page. She scares me nearly as much as Obama - I'd take Cheney and his rifle over her any day.

264 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:16:03pm

re: #252 Surfer Doc

Dude ought try Decaf...

Sure.

/but everything he said was true

265 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:16:21pm

What interests me is how Barry Zero clearly showed his socialist side, and his classic "liberal" defeatism, if you paid attention to his ideas, instead of his delivery.

"Sacrifice"
"Fairness and Justice"
"We'll have to pay for it somehow"

He put a lot of verbal adornment on it, but his message was basically "America: BOHICA, because we can't do it, unless you give me your wallet."

His biggest mistake may have been in his closing remarks. "We all are going to have to sacrifice." This is something the elitist types never seem to understand: Never, EVER get up on the national stage and ask an American to Do Without. You might be right as rain, but we instinctively respond VERY BADLY to anybody in authority, especially a guy with an ivy league education and a cushy job, getting up there and telling us that WE THE PEOPLE are going to have to give up anything in service of your abstract social engineering plans.

266 Killer Tomato  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:16:23pm

re: #258 logboy

BTW - 'thank you' isn't near enough but Thank You.

267 Meremortal  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:17:48pm

re: #260 Desert Dog

If you ski, you can't go wrong with one. I grew up in Denver and saw loads of them there. Here in AZ, not so many (gee, I wonder why?)


+
You'll understand when I say "Bethoud Pass" then. My second home in Grand County is going to become my primary home.

268 Throbert McGee  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:17:51pm

re: #163 Killer Tomato

I bought a package of 'magnet sheets' (from Staples) - they're 8 1/2 x 11 sheets of refrigerator magnet material.

That's a very good idea! But did you know that you can also use refrigerator magnets with dental floss, two rinsed-out empty coffee cans, and discarded nylon pantyhose to make an improvised explosive device? Dig it, kill the pigs!

Hugs,
Hell-oise

269 Lorenska  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:17:59pm

re: #245 SurferDoc


Oh, do! I'm the one sobbing in my front yard, wondering how all the elected officials in this state got to where they are, and how it is that we haven't fallen into the ocean yet...I think it's only because of people like those at Edwards that California hasn't just completely fallen apart yet - but I think it's only a matter of time.

270 Meremortal  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:19:14pm

re: #262 wolfie

Not my 1992 Legacy !


+
They do last a while, don't they?

271 nigella  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:19:36pm

Logboy, thank you for your service, as Mark Levin would say. Thank you from the bottom of my heart also. A friend of mine lost her only child two years ago in Iraq. She is still a patriot to her Country despite her terrible loss. Thank you and God bless.

272 logboy  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:20:16pm

re: #266 Killer Tomato

BTW - 'thank you' isn't near enough but Thank You.

If you want to thank me for my sacrifice, remember us on election day. That is thanks enough. Some of us will be living this war for the rest of our lives. Don't let it be for nothing.

273 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:20:42pm

re: #163 Killer Tomato

OK - got the sticker done.
Kind of cheated though.

I bought a package of 'magnet sheets' (from Staples) - they're 8 1/2 x 11 sheets of refrigerator magnet material.
Took my McCain bumper sticker, and stuck it on the sheet. Trimmed around the sticker, leaving a border.
I drive about 130 miles a day - a lot of people see my car.
I'll put the sticker on the car when I leave the house, and remove it once the car is parked - lessening the chance of it being keyed while sitting unattended somewhere, but still broadcasting the message "you're not alone" when I'm on the road.

Brilliant, Killer T!

274 Desert Dog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:20:48pm

re: #267 Meremortal

+
You'll understand when I say "Bethoud Pass" then. My second home in Grand County is going to become my primary home.

Berthoud Pass!....Winter Park (Mary Jane side) is my favorite area near Denver. I love Steamboat and Crested Butte as well. Hell, ANY ski slopes in COLO......

275 BigJohn  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:21:00pm

I don't know how many viewers tuned in for tonight's debate, but one of the things that sticks out to me is that 70 million viewers tuned in to the Palin vs Biden debate. It was significantly more than for the other Presidential debates. You know that they did not tune in to see Biden. I have to believe that is a big number that tuned in to see Sarah Palin.

276 Colonel Panik  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:21:08pm

re: #260 Desert Dog

If you ski, you can't go wrong with one. I grew up in Denver and saw loads of them there. Here in AZ, not so many (gee, I wonder why?)

The Aussies and Israelis sell kit that turn Foresters or Outbacks into semi-respectable desert off road vehicles. Rasta is the Israeli Mfr. Scorpion Capalaba the Aussie.

I've been looking at Subies for semi-offroad work as they don't suck gas like a Jeep or a small pickup.

277 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:21:53pm

re: #214 stuiec

If you can't give in to defeatism, what CAN you give in to?

Chocolate.

278 SurferDoc  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:22:10pm

re: #269 Lorenska

Oh, do! I'm the one sobbing in my front yard, wondering how all the elected officials in this state got to where they are, and how it is that we haven't fallen into the ocean yet...I think it's only because of people like those at Edwards that California hasn't just completely fallen apart yet - but I think it's only a matter of time.

Look on the bright side. We live in the High Desert, where Democrat candidates call themselves human sacrifices.

279 boogberg  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:22:14pm

Has anyone gotten their sample ballots and seen the collection of kooks who qualified? McCain and Obama are fucking normal compared to most of them. Fuck! It's like a scene from The Postman. :D

280 SummerSong  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:22:18pm

re: #254 SummerSong

Sorry! My post should have read: Pockystan

281 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:23:39pm

re: #258 logboy

If you're looking for Tom Clancy bravado BS, you can shove it up your a$$. Some of us actually went to Iraq. War is not a movie, no matter what light you cast it in.

Go bitch at Andy McNab. both movies I recommended are first person soldier written, first person soldier approved. Have you actually seen either of them?

/what's next, are you going to bitch about To Hell and Back

282 Lorenska  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:24:18pm

re: #265 Pawn of the Oppressor

God bless you I hope you're right - it just seems like this time around, those who HAVE (the rich libs) are so busy patting themselves on the back for being so enlightened and generous that they're going to be in the majority on voting day - and then when it really comes time to be forced to give - which we will - it'll only be those of us that DON'T have who'll get hurt. Those who are so proud of this 'sharing' idea somehow never end up sharing THEIRS. they just find ways to make the rest of us give what little we have. And those of us who do have who'd like to actually keep what we've worked our asses off for will be criminalized and vilified.

It's late, I'm babbling, but I'm sure the lizards get what I'm saying, I'm preaching to the choir, I know.

283 Desert Dog  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:24:23pm

re: #272 logboy

Your sacrifice and the sacrifice of your brothers and sisters in arms was not in vain. No matter what crap comes out of Washington, you can rest assured there are millions of Americans who not only admire your courage and are in eternal gratitude for your service, but will also NEVER FORGET.

284 Killer Tomato  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:24:45pm

re: #272 logboy

Rest easy. I took that oath to protect and defend the Constitution - even though I'm now out, I never 'untook' it - it's still in effect.
As far as I'm concerned, Obama is a domestic enemy.

285 rancher  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:25:31pm

re: #238 Lorenska

I'm assuming it's constitutional since every other scheme since "The New Deal" and "The Great Society" have been.

286 JeremiahRight  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:25:59pm

for those who need a laugh

from The Onion:

Many elections have been altered by an "October surprise," or a sudden revelation that casts one candidate in a bad light. Here are some of the more memorable October surprises from years past:

1816: James Monroe (Democratic-Republican) vs. Rufus King (Federalist)—The Daily Pottstown Ledger intercepts a carrier pigeon carrying erotic poetry from Sen. King to an unidentified minor

1840: William Henry Harrison (Whig) vs. Martin Van Buren (Democrat)—In one of the earliest photographs ever taken in the United States, the incumbent Van Buren is revealed to be nothing more than a topcoat stuffed with leaves

1868: Ulysses S. Grant (Republican) vs. Horatio Seymour (Democrat)—Scandal erupts when it is discovered that Seymour secretly supports polio

1924: Calvin Coolidge (Republican) vs. John W. Davis (Democrat)—Publishing magnate William Randolph Hearst releases photos of Davis dressed as a flapper

1960: John F. Kennedy (Democrat) vs. Richard Nixon (Republican)—Chicago's powerful League of Deceased Voters rescinds its endorsement of Nixon

1984: Ronald Reagan (Republican) vs. Walter Mondale (Democrat)—Ronald Reagan finds Osama bin Laden and gives him $100 million to fight the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan

1988: George H. W. Bush (Republican) vs. Michael Dukakis (Democrat)—Voters are shocked when it is revealed that Dukakis previously slept with and impregnated his wife of many years

287 Quad Mocha Matti  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:26:43pm
Behold the hippopotamus!
We laugh at how he looks to us,
And yet in moments dank and grim,
I wonder how we look to him.

— Ogden Nash

Hippopotami Totally RAWK!

Okay, after catching the last bit of Gunga Din on TCM, I am finally officially out for a few hours. Don't mind all the Eeyores among us! G'nite, all!

288 wolfie  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:29:07pm

re: #272 logboy

Like Desert Dog said, we will NEVER FORGET.

289 RTLM  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:29:18pm

re: #280 SummerSong

Sorry! My post should have read: Pockystan

No - that's PAHKeestahn.

:)

290 Lorenska  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:30:27pm

re: #278 SurferDoc

Look on the bright side. We live in the High Desert, where Democrat candidates call themselves human sacrifices.

Wow, you're so right - it's not very often that I consider the High Desert a "bright side," but my little town is pretty conservative, so I guess when I look at the rest of California, I am rather fortunate. I think I'd take a running jump off the Golden Gate if I lived in SF - such a beautiful city, it's such a shame what the dems have done to it. I guess dust & heat down here aren't such a bad trade off for some political sanity.

291 Meremortal  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:30:32pm

re: #274 Desert Dog

They are all nice slopes. I'm more into the fishing now, saving the knees as best I can.

Good nite all...

292 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:32:37pm

re: #291 Meremortal

They are all nice slopes. I'm more into the fishing now,

What kind of grenades do you use?

293 BlueCanuck  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:34:35pm

For Joe the Plumber: Nobodies Hero.

/listen first then ding. trust me.

294 SurferDoc  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:34:39pm

re: #290 Lorenska

Wow, you're so right - it's not very often that I consider the High Desert a "bright side," but my little town is pretty conservative, so I guess when I look at the rest of California, I am rather fortunate. I think I'd take a running jump off the Golden Gate if I lived in SF - such a beautiful city, it's such a shame what the dems have done to it. I guess dust & heat down here aren't such a bad trade off for some political sanity.

360 days of sunshine. Endless four-wheeling, ghost towns, history, archeology, photography--dust and heat? My Jeep has A/C for the four hot months.

295 Adina in Judea  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:35:01pm

Hey, I really like the "I Am Joe the Plumber" movement!

It helps McCain/Palin a lot!

Here's my new Obama poster:

Obama's just not all that cool anymore...

296 Gus 802  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:35:30pm
297 rancher  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:39:32pm

re: #296 Gus 802
I need a hunt'in license!

298 Lorenska  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:40:00pm

re: #294 SurferDoc

360 days of sunshine. Endless four-wheeling, ghost towns, history, archeology, photography--dust and heat? My Jeep has A/C for the four hot months.

I'm certainly not trying to whine, but 4 hot months? We either live further apart than I thought or I'm a true baby when it comes to weather....don't get me wrong, there's a lot of great stuff about this area, but I'm afraid I can't count the weather, I like a little rain sometimes (must be my originally-from-Texas side talking). :)

299 solomonpanting  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:41:27pm

re: #290 Lorenska

Wow, you're so right - it's not very often that I consider the High Desert a "bright side," but my little town is pretty conservative, so I guess when I look at the rest of California, I am rather fortunate. I think I'd take a running jump off the Golden Gate if I lived in SF - such a beautiful city, it's such a shame what the dems have done to it. I guess dust & heat down here aren't such a bad trade off for some political sanity.


Well, you had better hurry.

300 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:41:41pm

re: #296 Gus 802

Dukakis in a tank.

Obama on a bike.

Kerry with a gun.

Fighter Pilot McCain

I couldn't find one of Sarah with the M4.

301 Killer Tomato  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:42:29pm

re: #296 Gus 802

hmmmmm..... why does the word 'doofus' spring to mind?

Well crap. I have to get up in 2 1/2 hours.
'night all - catch you sometime tomorrow.

302 SurferDoc  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:43:12pm

re: #298 Lorenska

I'm certainly not trying to whine, but 4 hot months? We either live further apart than I thought or I'm a true baby when it comes to weather....don't get me wrong, there's a lot of great stuff about this area, but I'm afraid I can't count the weather, I like a little rain sometimes (must be my originally-from-Texas side talking). :)

LOL! Hot is 95 or better for me!

Did I mention we average around 27% humidity?

303 Lorenska  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:44:43pm

re: #299 solomonpanting

Well, you had better hurry.

See, I knew it - everyone up there finally looked around and saw Pelosi and her family tree (Newsom). And up goes the net. That's handy - when it gets full, we can just gather them all up and haul them away, preferably before 11/4.

304 JeremiahRight  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:45:38pm

re: #299 solomonpanting

Well, you had better hurry.

that damned suicide net is the worst idea ever. So what if 15 or 20 people want to jump each year, I say let em. Dont mess with the bridge

305 Lorenska  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:47:44pm

re: #302 SurferDoc

LOL! Hot is 95 or better for me!

Did I mention we average around 27% humidity?

I KNOW, and I'm from Austin, where it gets to 98 with like 90% humidity, so go figure why I'm such a wimp - all I know is, anything over 85 makes me cranky, and these 110+ days that we had this summer had me downright homicidal at times....based on your name, I'da thought you were somewhere near the coast, which is where I'd be if I could afford it. Just down the hill, it's a lovely 72 most days, if only I were one of those rich liberals!

306 SurferDoc  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:48:21pm

They oughta throw a net over all of SF.

307 JeremiahRight  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:48:48pm

during construction of the Golden Gate Bridge in 1933:

The Halfway to Hell Club
Joseph Strauss implemented safety innovations, including a safety net cantilevered out underneath the entire bridge during roadway construction. Nineteen men would fall into it, cheating death and proclaiming themselves the Halfway to Hell Club. The net boosted workers' morale and became an attraction for showboats and club wannabes, who had to be ordered not to jump into it on purpose.

308 Gus 802  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:48:58pm

re: #301 Killer Tomato

Right. It reminds me of a kitten photo with "Iz Haz" as a prefix. Not that there's anything wrong with kittens but those guys are just too much. They just alter their behavior for acceptance or votes.

Later.

309 logboy  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:49:13pm

re: #281 Killian Bundy

Go bitch at Andy McNab. both movies I recommended are first person soldier written, first person soldier approved. Have you actually seen either of them?

My bitch is that people watch a lot of the war crap that comes out of Hollywood (or the BBC, before you correct me) and think thats what war is actually like. Guys with 6 pistols strapped to their legs, machine gun ammo belted across their chest, a sniper rifle on their back with a 500 pound ruck and an M240B under each arm. Men do amazing things in war. Unfortunately there are never any camera's around to capture them.

While I was in Iraq my wife actually had a stranger say to her, "Oh I've seen "Jar Head", so I know what you're going through."

And yes, I read B20. I banged it out between patrols in Iraq.

310 Lorenska  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:49:19pm

re: #304 JeremiahRight

I'm guessing the first time someone gets tangled in that thing like a bug on its back and creates a traffic jam - or accident where someone dies anyway - they'll take it down and realize what an idiotic idea it was.

311 solomonpanting  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:50:34pm

re: #304 JeremiahRight

that damned suicide net is the worst idea ever. So what if 15 or 20 people want to jump each year, I say let em. Dont mess with the bridge

I tend to agree with you. To what degree does society go in order to make a world with padded borders?

312 MrSnuggles  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:51:13pm

I actually think McCain did the right thing in bringing up Joe the plumber and attacking Obama for basically being a socialist instead of just pounding on Ayers all night long. Although I do appreciate the fact that he did mention him and I think got Obama pretty good on ACORN as well. How anyone can think Obama won this thing is beyond me.

313 SurferDoc  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:51:18pm

re: #305 Lorenska

I KNOW, and I'm from Austin, where it gets to 98 with like 90% humidity, so go figure why I'm such a wimp - all I know is, anything over 85 makes me cranky, and these 110+ days that we had this summer had me downright homicidal at times....based on your name, I'da thought you were somewhere near the coast, which is where I'd be if I could afford it. Just down the hill, it's a lovely 72 most days, if only I were one of those rich liberals!

I lived at the beach or on the water for many years. My "name" has been with me on the internet for a long time. I don't wince until it gets over 105. But heck, I go from and air conditioned house to an air conditioned car to an air conditioned office. Now if I was out there digging ditches....

314 SurferDoc  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:53:01pm

G'night, All.

315 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:53:32pm

re: #258 logboy

War is not a movie, no matter what light you cast it in.

I get that and I more than sincerely thank you for going there and sacrificing, if that's the right word, your arm for my old civilian ass and the tens of millions of moonbats in this country, and pray for your future prosperity. I hope you're doing well and recovering and rehabilitating successfully.

Thank God you made it home.

/still, in every war from now on, there will be cameras there and cameras after the fact, documentaries and movies, I was trying to flag the good ones, written and shaped by the soldiers that witnessed it, I meant no offense

316 RTLM  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:54:07pm

Pirate update:

Pirated Iranian Ship Meant as Dirty Bomb for Israel on Yom Kipper. And it been released to International waters.

[Link: patdollard.com...]


Allah AkBOOOOM (delay)

/Good bit of Coast Guarding there... errr, 'Pirate'.

317 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:54:09pm

A PUMA just emailed into My13.

318 Gus 802  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:55:12pm

re: #312 MrSnuggles

Right. Obama's defense of his relationship with ACORN was pathetic. But he's so slick I'm sure a good portion of the Perez Hilton minds bought it.

"But, uh, we were not associated with _______ ."

319 JeremiahRight  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:55:51pm

did anyone else watch the debate tonight on an HD channel? It looked like McCain's eyes were watery and he was blinking a lot. Did anyone else see that?

320 Lorenska  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:56:39pm

re: #309 logboy

Go bitch at Andy McNab. both movies I recommended are first person soldier written, first person soldier approved. Have you actually seen either of them?

My bitch is that people watch a lot of the war crap that comes out of Hollywood (or the BBC, before you correct me) and think thats what war is actually like. Guys with 6 pistols strapped to their legs, machine gun ammo belted across their chest, a sniper rifle on their back with a 500 pound ruck and an M240B under each arm. Men do amazing things in war. Unfortunately there are never any camera's around to capture them.

While I was in Iraq my wife actually had a stranger say to her, "Oh I've seen "Jar Head", so I know what you're going through."

And yes, I read B20. I banged it out between patrols in Iraq.

I don't mean to jump into your conversation, but I had to respond to what that idiot said to your wife....I have to assume no one can ever imagine what a soldier or family member goes through, especially during wartime. My fiance was in the Navy for 20 years - he had a cush job most of the time, but his main responsibility was documenting (videoing and photographing) the casualties after battles, which he did in Somalia and Beirut, and he said it was horrific. And even today, HE says, "I can't imagine what those guys in Iraq and Afghanistan are going through." Thank you for being a man of bravery and honor, and I pray with all my heart that this nation elects one of your kind rather than the liar that is the other choice. God bless you.

321 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:56:43pm

One of the best moments of the debate was when McCain said he wasn't Bush- here's video that the audience responded to that positively.

322 Mel Lono  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:57:10pm

re: #316 RTLM

Pirate update:

Pirated Iranian Ship Meant as Dirty Bomb for Israel on Yom Kipper. And it been released to International waters.

[Link: patdollard.com...]


Allah AkBOOOOM (delay)

/Good bit of Coast Guarding there... errr, 'Pirate'.

How much did the pirates pay to get rid of it?

323 Adina in Judea  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:57:33pm

Obama is on video telling ACORN that they will be forming his policies in the White House.

This is one of the more damning of the large collection of Obama's Damning Tapes.

324 logboy  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:57:45pm

Don't be so hard on the moonbats. They taste like chicken.

325 RTLM  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:58:27pm

Oh - and they the Pirates commandeered another hapless vessel.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Wednesday's hijacking pushed the number of attacks this year in the African waters to 73. A total of 29 ships have been hijacked. Choong says 11 remain in the hands of pirates along with more than 200 crew members.

326 Lorenska  Wed, Oct 15, 2008 11:59:33pm

re: #319 JeremiahRight

did anyone else watch the debate tonight on an HD channel? It looked like McCain's eyes were watery and he was blinking a lot. Did anyone else see that?

I DID, I actually wondered a couple of times if he was crying, I wonder what was up?

327 Gus 802  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:00:17am

re: #321 Sharmuta

Yep. And then he said something about "maybe you should have run in 2004." I thought that was poignant and funny.

328 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:01:07am

Joe the Plumber speaks!

[Link: www.politico.com...]

329 Gus 802  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:01:11am

Paul Volcker

330 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:02:29am

re: #328 Sharmuta

Joe the Plumber speaks!

[Link: www.politico.com...]

He's my hero.

331 JeremiahRight  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:02:53am

re: #326 Lorenska

I DID, I actually wondered a couple of times if he was crying, I wonder what was up?

I thought maybe the lights were too bright in his face or something like that. Bob Schieffer looked the same, maybe an age thing?

332 Lorenska  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:04:33am

re: #328 Sharmuta

Wow, the comments at that link are unreal. I mean, not if you're used to listening to hateful moonbats, but still. These people are what scare me, these are the voters.

333 Killian Bundy  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:04:58am

re: #309 logboy

While I was in Iraq my wife actually had a stranger say to her, "Oh I've seen "Jar Head", so I know what you're going through."

/Jarhead is just bizarre, Generation Kill seems to have more support from actual Marines for accuracy, but probably only you can decide which one or neither is realistic

334 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:04:59am

re: #319 JeremiahRight

did anyone else watch the debate tonight on an HD channel? It looked like McCain's eyes were watery and he was blinking a lot. Did anyone else see that?

FU

335 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:05:17am

re: #331 JeremiahRight

I thought maybe the lights were too bright in his face or something like that. Bob Schieffer looked the same, maybe an age thing?

They were crying because of the bullshit Obama was spewing.

336 JeremiahRight  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:07:30am

re: #334 really grumpy big dog Johnson

FU

wow! really?

337 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:07:33am

re: #332 Lorenska

I didn't bother to look.

338 Gus 802  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:07:44am

"We'll look into it"

Barack Obama

Senator Government

339 Adina in Judea  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:09:03am

re: #332 Lorenska

Agreed! The comments are unbelievable!

Look at this moonbat comment:

"It's too bad Joe isn't a non-biased voter, he had a goal in ambushing Obama and now the media will treat him as if he's an honest representation of most people and will give a fair analysis of the candidates."

Obama went on a door-to-door photo op on Joe the Plumber's street!

It's something Obama is already living to regret (no doubt about it), but Joe wasn't a guy with a goal to ambush The Obambi.

Joe was tossing a football with his kid on the lawn.

340 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:09:36am

re: #336 JeremiahRight

wow! really?

Apparently you didn't see the plasticine doll that is being touted as the saviour.

HD my ass.

341 Lorenska  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:10:38am

re: #337 Sharmuta

I'm a glutton for punishment, once I start reading the drivel, it's like a car wreck, I can't stop....and honestly, it's scary. The upshot is - he's a plant from the McCain camp, he should shut up because he's SOOOO rich anyway, he's a liar because plumbers don't make that much, and oh yeah, he's a racist (cause he said something about tap dancing, I guess?). It's amazing what the leftists can turn racist, it never ever fails to amaze me.

342 Adina in Judea  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:10:54am

My favorite Make Your Own Obama Poster entry:

Senator Government

343 Mr. Sandman  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:11:45am

I think the views of the general American population have shifted a good deal to the left over the last 4 years. People are sick especially of right-wing trickle down economics. I'm seeing that right wing websites like this one give vigorous opinions that McCain won this debate, and this is overwhelmingly indicated in self-selected polls for these kinds of websites. But where you think he was battering Obama did not apparently resonate that way with the general American population. They apparently saw a nasty, angry, desperate old man, not someone getting "good swipes" at Obama like you folks saw. Scientific polls from CNN and CBS show that Obama crushed McCain at this debate, even more so than in the other two debates. He won 58-31 among the general population of debate watchers (CNN poll), and 53-22 among the undecideds (CBS poll). Your world-view and way of seeing things seems considerably less in sinc with the general population than in the past. We may be witness to an election landslide, and the beginnings of a left-wing Ronald Reagan, a genuinely transformative president and era.

344 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:12:59am

re: #341 Lorenska

I'm a glutton for punishment, once I start reading the drivel, it's like a car wreck, I can't stop....and honestly, it's scary. The upshot is - he's a plant from the McCain camp, he should shut up because he's SOOOO rich anyway, he's a liar because plumbers don't make that much, and oh yeah, he's a racist (cause he said something about tap dancing, I guess?). It's amazing what the leftists can turn racist, it never ever fails to amaze me.

You just wish you made what a plumbing contractor makes. Are you a racist?

345 Adina in Judea  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:13:03am

re: #341 Lorenska

The upshot is - he's a plant from the McCain camp...

This moonbat thinks McCain got Joe the Plumber to move to this street in case The Obambi would try to do a photo op in this election by going door to door?

Wow.

346 winston06  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:13:24am

good night every one

347 JeremiahRight  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:14:09am

I didn't mean it as a criticism, just an observation. McCain looked like he was crying, about to cry, etc. on every closeup shot. BHO looked smug and condescending, the usual for him. But McCain looked off a little

348 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:14:22am

re: #328 Sharmuta

Scan through the of that comment section in light of Poor Joe the Plumber:

It seems evident that the McCain campaign is going to go all Joe the Plumber, all the time. These insta-celebrities can get a very rough ride, especially if McCain’s use of him is effective. Liberal web sites will go for his jugular, and as we’ve seen with some monstrous bloggers and their willingness to say just about anything about Sarah Palin’s baby, Joe the Plumber may not have a prayer of surviving the next 20 days.
349 OtisMyMan  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:14:26am

re: #265 Pawn of the Oppressor

What interests me is how Barry Zero clearly showed his socialist side, and his classic "liberal" defeatism, if you paid attention to his ideas, instead of his delivery.

"Sacrifice"
"Fairness and Justice"
"We'll have to pay for it somehow"

He put a lot of verbal adornment on it, but his message was basically "America: BOHICA, because we can't do it, unless you give me your wallet."

His biggest mistake may have been in his closing remarks. "We all are going to have to sacrifice." This is something the elitist types never seem to understand: Never, EVER get up on the national stage and ask an American to Do Without. You might be right as rain, but we instinctively respond VERY BADLY to anybody in authority, especially a guy with an ivy league education and a cushy job, getting up there and telling us that WE THE PEOPLE are going to have to give up anything in service of your abstract social engineering plans.

Beside folks with family in the military, no one in this country has had to sacrifice anything since 1945! Next time you have a few minutes do some research on rationing, scrap metal drives, victory gardens, loose lips sink ships, keep it under your Stetson, V-mail, air raid wardens, and anything else to do with the home front here in America during WW2. And yes it was a home front because people realized that if we lost that war we would be conquered by an enemy that had no compunction about slaughtering millions of innocent people in prison camps and would have made all of the US and Europe into one big pool of slave labor to do their bidding.
They knew that to survive we had to win and to win took sacrifice on the part of every man, woman and child because losing was unthinkable.

During WW2 nazi infiltrators were rounded up, tried, found guilty and executed the following day! We are being infiltrated today by islamic nazis and we have let them literally walk across our borders unimpeded. The enemy within exists amongst our own native born populace as well. They are in our state houses and capitol buildings. They are the useful idiots that elect the enemy into office. Political correctness is their creed. They spread lies about the moral, the righteous through the main stream media, all the while covering up and obfuscating the lies and evil deeds of those on the left. Their double standards and unfairness grow more blatant and shocking every day. But the people of this country who are still willing to sacrifice grow ever more angry. The Rage Bubble continues to grow with each lie, with each insult to decency and goodness. The unrighteous arrogantly think they are safe, sheltered, cloistered and protected from harm. They think that there are enough bodyguards, police, military or private security to protect them. There isn't. I'm afraid of the consequences of their continued behavior. There are two possible outcomes, sadly, neither of which will result in the continuation of life in America as we have experienced it. Either they will win and the god fearing pro American patriot will be suppressed, or the rage bubble will burst and we will win, but pay an awful, damning price for victory. I really hope it doesn't happen. But every day, so much of what I see, hear and experience makes me think it will.

350 Adina in Judea  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:14:35am

re: #344 really grumpy big dog Johnson

You just wish you made what a plumbing contractor makes. Are you a racist?

Lorenska is describing the moonbat comments on that site.

351 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:14:42am

re: #343 Mr. Sandman

LMAO! Keep telling yourself that.

352 BlueCanuck  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:15:18am

re: #344 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Umm dude, are you actually comprehending what she's writing? Time to put the bottle down and log off for the night.

353 JeremiahRight  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:16:29am

re: #343 Mr. Sandman

what!? This country is center-right, my friend. Witness the last 2 presidential elections. Obama is toast, not a chance in Hell.

354 stonemason  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:16:51am

re: #343 Mr. Sandman

since you insist on using two biased examples as actual polls, try to remember that those same two organizations, as well as all of those 'more to the left' Americans had Kerry in the lead this same time 4 years ago.

You are wrong, the heart of America is to the right of center, and will always be.

355 Adina in Judea  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:17:51am

re: #343 Mr. Sandman

Scientific polls from CNN and CBS show that Obama crushed McCain at this debate

Hey, POS.

"Scientific polls" take more than a few minutes or hours to do.

One focus group said they thought Obama won the debate but that they still didn't trust him and wouldn't vote for him.

Put that in your bong and smoke it.

356 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:17:54am

re: #343 Mr. Sandman

Can I get your dealer's number? I want some of what you're smoking.

357 solomonpanting  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:18:02am

re: #343 Mr. Sandman

People are sick especially of right-wing trickle down economics.

Many are waiting for left-wing governmental redistribution handouts.

358 JeremiahRight  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:19:39am

re: #349 OtisMyMan

re: #349 OtisMyMan

keep it under your Stetson



don't worry, Obama's got it covered...

359 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:20:05am

Debate exclusive: Obama wins by a hair

Forty-nine percent of respondents said that Obama won the debate, compared to 46 who believed his opponent, Sen. John McCain, came out on top. The three-point gap separating the two candidates was equal to the poll’s margin of error.

Perhaps the best news for McCain is the rating he received from independent voters. Among respondents not identified with either major political party, McCain was judged tonight’s winner, 51-42 percent.

But you keep buying your brand of bullshit, Sandy.

360 Adina in Judea  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:20:21am

The country is so right of center that every single Democrat who runs for President tries like crazy to pretend that he's more to the right than he actually is.

Obama would be doing ads saying "YES, I'M PROUD TO BE PLANNING ON REDISTRIBUTING WEALTH" if the country was into it.

America doesn't want ultra-liberalism or socialism.

So Lord Barry pretends that he's not (unless someone catches him off guard.)

361 MrSnuggles  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:22:08am

re: #347 JeremiahRight

Maybe it had to do with Nancy? Reagan is his hero, after all.

362 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:22:34am

btw, PINMF this mornin.

363 Killian Bundy  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:22:44am

My dad came home from WWII and never talked about it. However, even as a small child, there was a large encyclopidia set of red bound books on the bookshelf. It was a photographic history of WWII, each page of each volume contained an official U.S. 8" x10" B&W photo of something absolutely historic or, more often, absolutely horrific. The only things missing were the color, smell, and sound. I was never discouraged from going through those volumes repeatedly.

/they were destroyed in a house fire when I was a teenager, I've always regretted never to be able to figure out the title of that series of volumes, everyone should have to look at it

364 pat  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:25:11am

A left wing Ronald Reagan? By an idiot who cannot even talk without a teleprompter? Too stupid to understand basic economics? A man who believes his crazy father was a hero? I agree McCain sounds like a bizarre caricature of a candidate. Frankly I find him disturbingly robotic and controlled. Whereas Obama seems to be an ignorant fool, equally controlled. But we know Bush does not control McCain. Who controls Obama?

365 Moe Katz  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:25:19am

A prolonged depression could shift things to the left a bit, I'm convinced of that. All the more reason to avoid a prolonged depression.

366 MrSnuggles  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:27:25am

Why would Americans choose to abandon freedom and embrace government control? It makes no sense, its so..... european!

367 pat  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:29:16am

re: #356 Sharmuta

Can I get your dealer's number? I want some of what you're smoking.


867-5309

368 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:30:14am

Joe the Plumber doesn't want tax increases. Joe is America, and if you can't convince a plumber to vote for you- good luck.

369 Lorenska  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:30:36am

re: #350 Adina in Judea


Thank you, Adina - I was wondering how the heck to respond to that question, I wasn't even sure what "big grumpy guy" whatever-his-name-is meant by that. As for your other comments, you're SO right on - so many of those comments said, "Oh, he's a shill for McCain, he's on the FoxNews payroll, he's a GOP pundit" - yeah, he probably bought that house years ago, knowing Obama would come a knockin, had his comments all rehearsed and everything - good heavens, the conspiracies these people think up, all because they can't think of a REAL response to this man and his real-life, "main street" issues. They talk so much about being 'for the middle class,' and then when they run into someone who actually represents us, they act like he's an alien - "well, he's not the REAL middle America, he can't be!"

370 zombie  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:31:34am

re: #343 Mr. Sandman

I think the views of the general American population have shifted a good deal to the left over the last 4 years. People are sick especially of right-wing trickle down economics. I'm seeing that right wing websites like this one give vigorous opinions that McCain won this debate, and this is overwhelmingly indicated in self-selected polls for these kinds of websites. But where you think he was battering Obama did not apparently resonate that way with the general American population. They apparently saw a nasty, angry, desperate old man, not someone getting "good swipes" at Obama like you folks saw. Scientific polls from CNN and CBS show that Obama crushed McCain at this debate, even more so than in the other two debates. He won 58-31 among the general population of debate watchers (CNN poll), and 53-22 among the undecideds (CBS poll). Your world-view and way of seeing things seems considerably less in sinc with the general population than in the past. We may be witness to an election landslide, and the beginnings of a left-wing Ronald Reagan, a genuinely transformative president and era.

Wow! Thank you. Never before have I seen someone who confirmed my theory so thoroughly and yet so unwittingly!

But I really am curious: Are you conscious of the goals of your attempted strategy, or are you just on autopilot? The main flaw in my essay is that I could never scry the motivations and thought-processes of the typical left-wing poll promoter. Yet here is my opportunity to hear it straight from the horse's mouth:

What do you think you are achieving by touting a poll-stuffed online opinion poll to a group of McCain supporters?

Seriously. I want to know.

Are you trying to convince us to vote for Obama? Due to our naivité and tendency for informational conformity?

Or are you trying to convince us to "surrender" and not vote on November 4th, because we feel we have no hope of winning?

Or have you never even stopped to consider the purpose and ramifications of your actions?

Or...what, exactly?

I can include your response in an update.

371 Adina in Judea  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:32:08am

re: #368 Sharmuta

Joe the Plumber doesn't want tax increases. Joe is America, and if you can't convince a plumber to vote for you- good luck.

Exactly!

372 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:32:25am

re: #343 Mr. Sandman

gamey buttocks anyone?

373 pat  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:33:07am

re: #368 Sharmuta

Joe the Plumber doesn't want tax increases. Joe is America, and if you can't convince a plumber to vote for you- good luck.

Put a quarter down the back of his pants. ;)

374 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:33:49am

re: #343 Mr. Sandman

/green smoke out!

375 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:34:39am

re: #370 zombie

Maybe he thinks that since we're a pro-science blog, adding "scientific" to "polling" will somehow convince us of.... something.

376 Adina in Judea  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:35:07am

re: #369 Lorenska

As for your other comments, you're SO right on - so many of those comments said, "Oh, he's a shill for McCain, he's on the FoxNews payroll, he's a GOP pundit" - yeah, he probably bought that house years ago, knowing Obama would come a knockin, had his comments all rehearsed and everything - good heavens, the conspiracies these people think up, all because they can't think of a REAL response to this man and his real-life, "main street" issues. They talk so much about being 'for the middle class,' and then when they run into someone who actually represents us, they act like he's an alien - "well, he's not the REAL middle America, he can't be!"

Yeah!

It's so perfect that Obama went to Joe's street as a photo op!

Obambi wanted to talk to real Americans to show that he's "in touch" and he found a real American who doesn't want Obama's tax raises.

Obambi is banging his head against the wall as we speak. :)

377 Intrepid  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:36:01am

re: #328 Sharmuta

Joe the Plumber speaks!

[Link: www.politico.com...]

Joe doesn't like Obama - he thinks Obama "tap dances". But Joe thinks John McCain shoots straight with America.

Joe's gonna vote for Mac/Sarah.

Go JOE!

378 pat  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:36:01am

re: #375 Sharmuta

Maybe he thinks that since we're a pro-science blog, adding "scientific" to "polling" will somehow convince us of.... something.

Hmmm. Intelligent Denial.

379 Inquisitive  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:36:36am

re: #374 redc1c4

/green smoke out!

I think he was just a drive by....did a hit and run....

380 JeremiahRight  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:36:42am

re: #373 pat

Put a quarter down the back of his pants. ;)

those plumbers could use some coin slot creme

381 BlueCanuck  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:37:49am

re: #375 Sharmuta

Polling isn't scientific, it's more mathematics. Statistics more likely. Never trust something that takes a small sample to infer an outcome on a large population. Hari Seldon hasn't been born yet.

382 pat  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:39:02am

re: #380 JeremiahRight

LOL. Cute. Very. I love it!

383 BlueCanuck  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:39:08am

re: #379 Inquisitive

Still logged in. Just waiting to drop his turd in the punch bowl I guess.

/firing up the BBQ

384 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:39:30am

re: #379 Inquisitive

I think he was just a drive by....did a hit and run....

naw.... look at his recent history. he's a sleeper that's just come to life.

all we need now is the stick to put him back under. %-)

/tosses a yellow smoke onto the sandman

385 pat  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:39:39am

Off to read. Nite all.

386 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:40:22am

Mr. Sandstrawman is probably just doing a driveby tonight.

387 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:40:28am

re: #377 Intrepid

Joe is exactly the type of American that 0bama can't connect with, and there are millions of us.

388 Aisha  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:40:52am

Aisha does not know what to think, and will have to turn to the pages of the Noble Quaran for guidance.

In any event, Aisha thinks that Bend Over Barrack (don't tell Aisha that Obama and his sharmuta don't do this). might well end up Kufr in Chief.

An Apostate and a Kufr versus a Kufr with a shameless Vice President who flaunts her lady parts in public and in private and ignores the laws of hijab.

Aisha is so conflicted and confused; it is like the "elections" in the Zionist Entity - whatever friggin' happens there, a stinky ol' Jew wins.

389 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:41:04am

Geraldine Ferraro is stupid. If she's claiming the Fox Text Poll is being flooded with young voters, aren't young voters for Obama and his radicalism? If McCain is kicking ass in the Fox Text Poll and the Text Poll is "only young people" and not "undecideds" then that doesn't bode well for Obama.

Ferraro, you idiot.

390 Killian Bundy  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:41:33am

Well great, now the images of GIs using corn brooms to sweep the snow off the grotesquely contorted victims of Malmédy just popped into my head.

/the SS was depraved

391 Inquisitive  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:41:43am

Good night all......lots of good comments made regarding the debate tonight......and this unscientific poll....right here in this average American home.....says McCain won....
McCain 2
Obama 0

392 Lorenska  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:43:33am

re: #376 Adina in Judea

Oh, so true - you just KNOW he's ripping some poor campaign aide a new one..."how could you let that guy get near me, why didn't you stop me from talking, where was my teleprompter?". But what scares me most of all is, he's not really taking back what he said - he's just trying harder to sell the idea. He's not saying he misspoke, he MEANT he wants to redistribute Joe's income - he just thinks he can make everyone see what a wonderful idea it is, if only we'd listen to him. It's like I said earlier - sharing sounds so nice, until you realize that sharing means giving away what you have (involuntarily, in Obama's world). And if you have less, then you hire less, and you buy less, and you spend less, and that means the business down the street makes less, and they then hire less, and they buy less, and so on and so on until capitalism is GONE. And by the way, where is my incentive to work and succeed if my paycheck is going to Bob the moron down the block? And if I have no incentive, how do you get me to work and be a productive citizen? And if no one has any incentive to be productive, how does anything get done? Isn't there a word for that? I think it starts with an S, didn't we outlaw it around the time of Lincoln....?

393 BakaRanger  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:43:47am

re: #299 solomonpanting

Well, you had better hurry.

that damned suicide net is the worst idea ever. So what if 15 or 20 people want to jump each year, I say let em. Don't mess with the bridge


/ This whole anti leaping net is an affront to the suicide community.

394 Spirit93  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:43:52am

re: #383 BlueCanuck

Still logged in. Just waiting to drop his turd in the punch bowl I guess.

/firing up the BBQ

How can you tell?

BTW, I got your Seldon ref, I must have read that book at least 20yrs ago!

395 pat  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:45:08am

re: #388 Aisha

I live Aisha when she shaves.

396 Inquisitive  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:45:24am

re: #383 BlueCanuck

Still logged in. Just waiting to drop his turd in the punch bowl I guess.

/firing up the BBQ

Have fun and I am sure Charles will appreciate it if you would clean up the mess after your BBQ party is done.

397 Aisha  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:45:57am

You see, if we vote Obama because he is better than kufr-sharmuta, then we still may need to sentence him to death for sharee crime of apostasy. Then what is it Biden-Pelosi - well we then have to sentence Pelosi to death for sharee crimes related to hijab and homobuttfuckualism, so then who gets to be Biden's VP? Aisha is confused. Biden would probably convert to Islaaam because he doesn't really believe or think anything, but that is not the kind of Muslim that we want in the Ummah.

Oh Alllllaaaaah!

398 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:46:18am

re: #383 BlueCanuck

Still logged in. Just waiting to drop his turd in the punch bowl I guess.

/firing up the BBQ

is that anything like diarrhea ice cubes?

/hands out the brain bleach

399 Inquisitive  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:46:26am

re: #384 redc1c4

naw.... look at his recent history. he's a sleeper that's just come to life.

all we need now is the stick to put him back under. %-)

/tosses a yellow smoke onto the sandman

Hey.... is this the same one that you was going to let me throw the green smoke at the other eve?

400 BlueCanuck  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:46:38am

re: #394 Spirit93

If you click on a lizards (or in this case troll) icon it will give that persons details. Also near the top it will say if the person is logged in. Otherwise nothing.

401 BlueCanuck  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:47:47am

re: #396 Inquisitive

Don't worry about that. And if there's any left overs I will put it in the fridge.

402 Intrepid  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:47:47am

re: #387 Sharmuta

Joe is exactly the type of American that 0bama can't connect with, and there are millions of us.

Wait - you mean real Americans? The ones who work and pay taxes and do the purchasing and consuming here in this country?

Those Americans?

403 JustMyView  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:48:36am

I wonder whether Joe knows that his union endorsed Obama way back in January and, if so, what he thinks about that?

404 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:50:20am

re: #403 JustMyView

I wonder whether Joe knows that his union endorsed Obama way back in January and, if so, what he thinks about that?

I thought guilt by association wasn't valid?

405 Aisha  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:50:43am

Wasn't the Sandkufr a regular poster here years ago. Aisha seems to remember something in the deep dark past about that kufr. Aisha was only six at the time, so she was fit for marryin', not for postin.

406 Adina in Judea  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:50:49am

re: #387 Sharmuta

Joe is exactly the type of American that 0bama can't connect with, and there are millions of us.

Obama was expecting to find Obamabots on Joe's street.

He sure got a surprise.

You're right that Obama can't connect (and he has no idea why.)

407 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:51:10am

re: #403 JustMyView

I wonder whether Joe knows that his union endorsed Obama way back in January and, if so, what he thinks about that?

Probably some 'buyer's remorse' on his union's part!

408 Outrider  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:51:11am

re: #358 JeremiahRight

re: #349 OtisMyMan



don't worry, Obama's got it covered...

That a cigarette in his right hand?

409 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:51:36am

T-shirts

"Obama don't know Joe"
"Plumbers for Smaller Government"
"Joe '08"

410 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:51:47am

re: #403 JustMyView

I wonder whether Joe knows that his union endorsed Obama way back in January and, if so, what he thinks about that?

I would wager a guess that Joe thinks he's capable of deciding for himself.

411 zombie  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:52:19am

re: #390 Killian Bundy

Well great, now the images of GIs using corn brooms to sweep the snow off the grotesquely contorted victims of Malmédy just popped into my head.

/the SS was depraved

I once long ago wrote an essay about the Malmedy Massacre. One of many atrocities by the Nazis that have mostly been forgotten.

Even if they had never committed the Holocaust, most of the Nazi leadership still deserved to be hanged for war crimes.

412 Inquisitive  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:52:49am

Hope to talk to you all tomorrow eve...really gotta go lay this head on a pillow for a little while.

413 Intrepid  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:52:53am

re: #397 Aisha

Aisha, it is a Muslim paradox, to be sure.

414 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:53:26am

I'm on here 3-4 times a day almsot every day. When did Aisha start posting again. Or have I been missing her somehow.

Walter in Golden, Co.

415 JeremiahRight  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:53:51am

bedtime for me.

one for the road, did Engels predict the rise of BHO? :)

What is genuine is proved in the fire, what is false we shall not miss in our ranks. The opponents must grant us that youth has never before flocked to our colours in such numbers, ... in the end, one will be found among us who will prove that the sword of enthusiasm is just as good as the sword of genius. - Frederick Engels

416 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:53:52am

re: #399 Inquisitive

Hey.... is this the same one that you was going to let me throw the green smoke at the other eve?

could be.... that was a lot of beers ago, so i couldn't say for sure.

toss one anyway, just for S&G's. %-)

417 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:53:53am

re: #402 Intrepid

Wait - you mean real Americans? The ones who work and pay taxes and do the purchasing and consuming here in this country?

Those Americans?

Yes. People with real jobs, not bullshit jobs like "community organizer".

418 JustMyView  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:54:29am

re: #404 TheMatrix31

I thought guilt by association wasn't valid?

I don't understand what guilt by association has to do w/ the question I asked.

419 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:54:39am

re: #358 JeremiahRight

re: #349 OtisMyMan



don't worry, Obama's got it covered...

Brokebarack Mountain.

420 Aisha  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:55:12am

Zombie-kufr, probably because it would not help the Zionists disposess the Arabs and Muslims of Palestine. All the other "massacres" (if the history books are correct) are exaggerated by the Zionist kufr. Allahu-akhbar!

421 Spirit93  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:55:14am

re: #400 BlueCanuck

Thanks Blue, learn something new everyday on LGF.

422 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:55:19am

So... joining a union means I sign over my right to think for myself?

423 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:56:29am

re: #418 JustMyView

I don't understand what guilt by association has to do w/ the question I asked.

You're saying that the union he's a part of (is that even confirmed, btw?) supports Obama. What the hell does it matter who his union supports? And if you're somehow implying that he's a hypocrite or should be associated with his union's view just because he's "part of" that union, that's bullshit. Why is it bullshit? Because Barack's associations have been downplayed and deemed irrelevant by people like you, and the media.

424 Killian Bundy  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:56:53am

re: #384 redc1c4

tosses a yellow smoke onto the sandman

Why not just use your radio to call in (illegal, war criminal) white phosphorus artillery rounds?

/direct fire if possible, just like they did (bogus MSM hissy fit) in Fallujah?

425 JustMyView  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:57:00am

re: #422 Sharmuta

So... joining a union means I sign over my right to think for myself?

No one said that.

426 Aisha  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:57:04am

Yes. Muslim paradox. Do we praise Hitler for killing the Jews, or do we say that it never happened? Was 9/11 a triumphant act of jihaad, or a sneaky act by the Sharonist Zionist Jew? Aisha gets so confused sometimes!

427 BlueCanuck  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:58:21am

re: #403 JustMyView

His union might endorse Nobama, that dosen't mean he has to. My dads union sponsered the NDP up here, but he always voted Conservative.

428 Adina in Judea  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:58:36am

re: #392 Lorenska

Oh, so true - you just KNOW he's ripping some poor campaign aide a new one..."how could you let that guy get near me, why didn't you stop me from talking, where was my teleprompter?". But what scares me most of all is, he's not really taking back what he said - he's just trying harder to sell the idea. He's not saying he misspoke, he MEANT he wants to redistribute Joe's income - he just thinks he can make everyone see what a wonderful idea it is, if only we'd listen to him.

Agreed!

It's like I said earlier - sharing sounds so nice, until you realize that sharing means giving away what you have (involuntarily, in Obama's world). And if you have less, then you hire less, and you buy less, and you spend less, and that means the business down the street makes less, and they then hire less, and they buy less, and so on and so on until capitalism is GONE. And by the way, where is my incentive to work and succeed if my paycheck is going to Bob the moron down the block? And if I have no incentive, how do you get me to work and be a productive citizen? And if no one has any incentive to be productive, how does anything get done? Isn't there a word for that? I think it starts with an S, didn't we outlaw it around the time of Lincoln....?

Obama doesn't understand that incentive plays a huge role in all this.

He thinks he can level everything out without having an impact on the productivity that is driven by things like competition and success.

Obama sees the current productivity levels as unshakable no matter how badly he bleeds productive people (while rewarding unproductive people.)

429 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 12:58:41am

re: #425 JustMyView

Then why are you bringing up Joe's union endorsement?

430 JustMyView  Thu, Oct 16, 2008 1:01:20am

re: #423 TheMatrix31

You're saying that the union he's a part of (is that even confirmed, btw?) supports Obama. What the hell does it matter who his union supports? And if you're somehow implying that he's a hypocrite or should be associated with his union's view just because he's "part of" that union, that's bullshit. Why is it bullshit? Because Barack's associations have been downplayed and deemed irrelevant by people like you, and the media.

I have no idea whether he's a member of the union. Not sure how unions of independent tradesmen work. Perhaps you know. Are most plumbers members of a union?

431 Adina