The Religion of Peace.

/

The doctrinal substance of Islam is distorted.

Yeah- like that whole "kill them where ever you find them" doctrine.

It's not distorted, it's demented.

Lemme guess what they had as an inter-cultural appreciation festival.

/not very niiii~ce

If the terrorists would just cooperate and not shout "Allah Akbar" everytime they murder innocents.

My "Circular Reasoning" detector just exploded...

I KEEL YOU!

ROPMA

Goddamnit, if you call me violent one more time, I'll kill you.

And it will be your fault.

re: #6 MandyManners

I KEEL YOU!

SILENCE!

Oh, we are at war with Islamic....... terrorists........ are you sure cuz I have not heard anything about it lately ....... f*cking Senator Government ....... he wants to take that issue right out of the news ........who cares if you have money if you do not have a head (sorry but I am pissed) ........When will America wake up and see which way Senator Government's winds blow ..........

I notice ImpeachObama.com has not been taken yet. The angry right just can't keep up with the angry left.

I do not think our government equates all Muslims with terrorists. They equate radical Islam with terrorism. And there is no logical flaw there.

SILENCE!

re: #9 Racer X

SILENCE!

AAAAIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEE........................*BOOM*

DUMBASS!

Over time we’ve seen serious news articles on this subject slowly dwindle away

So, I guess this means that the water in the kettle is approaching 212 degrees Farenheit ....

/stewed frog's legs anyone

re: #9 Racer X

SILENCE!

o.O

and this is surprising? color me shocked, i tell ya!

re: #1 Ward Cleaver

The religion of ignorance and violence

re: #1 Ward Cleaver

The Religion of Pieces.

Muslim belief, [Tazhin] said, "is declared as extremism, which erodes the principles of tolerance".

One comma too many in that sentence.

/rant on

The doctrinal substance of Islam is was distorted.

Something happened "back then". I'm not saying the earliest teachings were those of a Religion of Peace, but the really really violent stuff came in later. Most Muslims are in denial about it. It's been killing them too. Will they wake up? Do they even want to?

/rant off

And equating Barry with the Presidency is just as dangerous...

Kazakhstan? I thought Borat made that up.
/

In the words of the immortal Calvin:

"Television doesn't make me violent, and I'll kill anyone who says it does."

To me this line of thinking sounds like, "Do not say anything that hurts our feelings or makes us mad because then we will nuke you, even though we had plans to nuke you anyway!" Weird.

On the flip side, it is like the Left always tries to tell us that we just need to be more like Europeans, and be more nice like so the TERRORIST will not dislike us so much. Meanwhile, how many times in the past few years have you read where Europe is allowing sharia law being implemented in their countries, but still are having trouble being attacked by TERRORIST? Did not the Brits just announce the other day they fear new plots to attack them?

This is like "it depends on what the definition of the word is is." It is also a reminder of how the State Department did not want us referring to TERRORIST as JIHADIST. Imagine that! Terrorism is executed by those who believe jihadism is the way to destroy their enemies! NO WAY! There are days when you wish Daniel Webster could come back, and take a magic dictionary wand and whack some folks over the head with it!

But hey, we could look at it this way, "Words, just words!"

by controlling the language they can manipulate the truth.
this is stealth jihad to shift the focus from the barbarians who seek to spread the rop around the world.
it is islamofascism, plain and simple.
to change the name won't change their evil plan.
it will just make it easier for these terrorists to succeed.

Mr. Magee,don't make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry.

It's the FM of Kazakhstan.

Kazakhstan.

Who gives a sh*t?

re: #26 nyc redneck

by controlling the language they can manipulate the truth.
this is stealth jihad to shift the focus from the barbarians who seek to spread the rop around the world.
it is islamofascism, plain and simple.
to change the name won't change their evil plan.
it will just make it easier for these terrorists to succeed.

UP-DING!

re: #23 bellamags

See my #3. (; I hope you liii~ke!

re: #26 nyc redneck

by controlling the language they can manipulate the truth.
this is stealth jihad to shift the focus from the barbarians who seek to spread the rop around the world.
it is islamofascism, plain and simple.
to change the name won't change their evil plan.
it will just make it easier for these terrorists to succeed.

The first victim of any war is Truth.

The amazing thing about these kinds of statements, which are issued almost every day by one Islamic leader or another, is that the people who say them have no apparent recognition that they’re tying themselves into a rhetorical knot.

Submitting to Islam makes the discomfort of "rhetorical knots" vanish as if by magic.

:^þ

Easy away to avoid equating terrorism with Islam.

Quit killing people in the name of Islam.

"Islam is the religion of peace, moderation and compassion and celebrates diversity and even recognises Christianity and Judaism," Ihsanogiu said.

As targets?

I want to see the Islamic world re-issue the Koran with things like "kill the infidel" taken out.

Get going guys you could do this in 24 hours.

I am serious.

re: #35 Ojoe

I want to see the Islamic world re-issue the Koran with things like "kill the infidel" taken out.

Get going guys you could do this in 24 hours.

I am serious.

How much would be left?

re: #29 pre-Boomer Marine brat

:D

It is difficult to equate the Beatitudes with terrorism.

/Just sayin

re: #34 scottishbuzzsaw

"Islam is the religion of peace, moderation and compassion and celebrates diversity and even recognises Christianity and Judaism," Ihsanogiu said.

As targets?

As dhimmis (slaves).

re: #35 Ojoe

I want to see the Islamic world re-issue the Koran with things like "kill the infidel" taken out.

I think if you eliminated all the incitements to violence you'd have nothing but a blank book - or darn near anyway.

This is similar in nature to the race issue of the Obama campaign. They want to silence everyone else from stating obvious points by labeling them as racist, intolerant or ignorant. They want political correctness to dominate and silence the voice of reason and hypothesis.
Aren't we taught the scientific method in middle school?

# Ask a Question
# Do Background Research
# Construct a Hypothesis
# Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment
# Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion
# Communicate Your Results

re: #39 Spiny Norman

As dhimmis (slaves).

That, too...

re: #26 nyc redneck

great.

Sorry to go OT so early

Supreme Court Rules With Ohio Secretary of State on Voter Fraud

Haven't seen the ruling yet. I wonder who the swing vote was. It would appear that election fraud is now deemed officially acceptable in this country.

I sometimes wonder why I even bother...

re: #35 Ojoe

I want to see the Islamic world re-issue the Koran with things like "kill the infidel" taken out.

Get going guys you could do this in 24 hours.

I am serious.

So am I ... in saying that it just might be the only way for mankind to survive.

The foreign minister of Kazakhstan is not an "Islamic leader". And he is absolutely right.

By equating Islam with Terrorism we make it easier for groups like Hamas and the Iranian regime to fool people into believing their stupid ideology. They tell their followers that G-d wants them to kill Jews (and Americans), and the west keeps confirming that it is indeed Islam what those people preach.

It is much more useful and a lot more fun to point to the contradictions and use Islam as a weapon against the terrorists.

If a self-proclaimed Muslim calls for Israel's death, point him to what the Quran says about Israel (the Quran says the land was given to the Jews via Moses). If a self-proclaimed Muslim calls for the death of infidels, point him to the constitution of Medina, Muhammed's first Islamic state, which says that Islam and Judaism are both true religions.

That hurts and confuses them. Once they have to argue their way out of being accused of fighting against G-d as per their own holy book, we have a much stronger hand.

"Pharoah sought to scare them out of the land: but We drowned him together with all who were with him. Then We said to the Israelites: 'Dwell in this land ."

Just tell them that the reason they lose wars against Israel is because G-d protects Israel. And Israel's enemies will lose just as Pharaoh lost. See Quran.

Plus, using this strategy, it is possible to transform quite a few Muslims into moderates and give ammunition to existing moderates. The more obvious it becomes that we (Israel and the US) are not fighting Islam but heretics, the sooner will we win.

And to those who want to fight Islam it should by now the obvious that from the point of view of Muslims you are merely admitting that you are fighting against submission to G-d's will. It's like fighting communism by stating that you are against equal rights and freedom, two concepts communists aways claimed they stood for.

re: #44 Cartman

Sorry to go OT so early

Supreme Court Rules With Ohio Secretary of State on Voter Fraud

Haven't seen the ruling yet. I wonder who the swing vote was. It would appear that election fraud is now deemed officially acceptable in this country.

I sometimes wonder why I even bother...

I heard it was a one-judge ruling by Stevens (sigh) who has jurisdiction for that region.

Well - I wonder what all those jihad-enablers will say to this!

By the way, the team that Lance Armstrong has joined to make his comeback is based in Kazakhstan. It's called Astana.

O.T. Did anyone just hear Rush playing the Obama sound bites? Barry just asked a crowd if they knew any plumbers that made 250k a year.

*spit*

re: #46 Leauki

WALOC.

... and to this!

Sick - sick -sick!

re: #51 MandyManners

WALOC.

?

re: #51 MandyManners
What a load?

re: #54 snowcrash

What a load?

Oh, that makes sense.

re: #52 yma o hyd

... and to this!

Sick - sick -sick!

Yma, your intolerance is showing again...

/ / / /

Equating islam with peace will lead to inheriting the earth grave results.

Cultural learnings of jihad for make benefit Islamic Republic of Boratstan.

re: #56 scottishbuzzsaw

Yma, your intolerance is showing again...

/ / / /

Me blood has been on the boil from the moment I opened my paper this lunchtime.

I only wish seething would burn some calories ...

re: #47 CIA Reject

I heard it was a one-judge ruling by Stevens (sigh) who has jurisdiction for that region.

it was per curiam,the whole court.

re: #47 CIA Reject

I heard it was a one-judge ruling by Stevens (sigh) who has jurisdiction for that region.

It was a procedural vote.

Hotair has the run-down.
[Link: hotair.com...]

re: #59 yma o hyd

Me blood has been on the boil from the moment I opened my paper this lunchtime.

I only wish seething would burn some calories ...

If it did, you could call me Twiggy...

I would like to add two words to the end of that headline:

Equating Islam with Terrorism Will Lead to Terrorism "From Islam".

"If you call us killers we will KILL you!"
Idiots.

re: #46 Leauki

OK Leauki. You are offering an individual by individual approach that is fine. Buy why not dedicate your energy to a path that may lead to systemic reformation throughout Islam?

The Wahabbis cling to the notion that the koran is the literal and unchangeable word of God and use this definition to justify atrocity and crush dissent.

Yet we may have ample proof that the koran has changed and changed substantially over the ages.

The papyrus may set them free.

What a pretty little conference they had. It just proves that those who profess to believe in everything believe in nothing at all. Sadly, this seems to be the tidal wave of the future. I fear that the day will come when the world is composed only of conference people and those who by reason of clear-headedness, orthodoxy, or both, choose not to join the happy conference, and are in turn shunned. Or worse.

Offended by the 'insult' but not offended by the truth of Islamism. "Veddy interestink" as the good Dr. Freud would have said.

re: #65 experiencedtraveller

The papyrus may set them free.

Thanks for that one!
Have you got any more on this subject?!?!?!
/yes, I know what th' hell it's ultimately about.

There is no logic, fun, bacon, alcohol, or female orgasms in Islam. It is an utterly sick religion.

Guess what - "Islamophobia" affects video games, too.

Kazakhstan? Borat Sagdiyev, please call home office. Your help is urgently needed. You might be promoted to Prime Minister... I mean Diktater for Life...
/sarcastic, no?

re: #46 Leauki

The foreign minister of Kazakhstan is not an "Islamic leader".

I didn't say he was.

And he is absolutely right.

I disagree. You're making a fundamental mistake, and assuming that groups like Hamas and the Islamic regime care even one iota about the West's opinions about Islam. Jihadists are not driven by our reactions to them.

Equating Islam with terrorism will lead to more terrorism?

A real non sequitur if I've ever seen one!

JAFLW

re: #68 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I understand the Egyptian Museum and Papyrus Collection in Berlin has a lot of fragmentary koran sources.

/I am no expert. Just an odd hobby of mine...seeking Q.

re: #74 experiencedtraveller

I understand the Egyptian Museum and Papyrus Collection in Berlin has a lot of fragmentary koran sources.

/I am no expert. Just an odd hobby of mine...seeking Q.

I'll check these out. Thanks.

Are you aware of the Saana Qurans?
Your text to link...

re: #47 CIA Reject

I heard it was a one-judge ruling by Stevens (sigh) who has jurisdiction for that region.

Champagne corks are no doubt popping in DNC HQ (now new, improved, and in Chicago) as we speak.

No doubt bootleg champagne from Canada, but what the heck?

/not dissing Canuck Lizards, just saying- you know Chicago

Meanwhile, in CoDumbus, OH, Lee Fisher is telling Miss Brunner,

Next time, get out-of-state phony voters who can keep their damn mouths shut, you stupid beeyotch!

It looks like we Buckeye Lizards will have to work extra hard to keep OH out of The One's hip pocket on Nov. 4. By letting his machine find out the hard way just how many real voters there are here who will be voting for his opponent.

/Bring it, Barry.

/You too, Brunner

cheers

eon

This page has many links about Media attacks on Joe the Plumber.
Red State

Media dug up dirt on the guy. Meanwhile Ayers is due to give a speech at the university of Nebraska in November AFTER the election and Ayers get NO scrutiny at all. Can you believe this?

re: #73 Just Another Four-letter Word

Equating Islam with terrorism will lead to more terrorism?

A real non sequitur if I've ever seen one!

Fixed.

re: #77 odinga

This page has many links about Media attacks on Joe the Plumber.
Red State

Media dug up dirt on the guy. Meanwhile Ayers is due to give a speech at the university of Nebraska in November AFTER the election and Ayers get NO scrutiny at all. Can you believe this?

No doubt figuring on announcing his appointment as Secretary of Education.

/sarc?

cheers

eon

re: #74 experiencedtraveller

And here's another web page on the Sanaa Qurans. The point, of course, is the underlying writing.

I saw the same thing on the fragments in the Duke collection. Every antennae I've got stood stark upright.

Drive by.....

SCOTUS rules voter fraud in Ohio is A-Okay!

SCOTUS Rules Against Stricter Voter Registration In Ohio

The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled with Ohio's Secretary of State, in a dispute with state Republicans over voter registrations.

The high court overruled an order by a federal appeals court for Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner to do more to assure vote eligibility.

re: #72 Charles

I disagree. You're making a fundamental mistake, and assuming that groups like Hamas and the Islamic regime care even one iota about the West's opinions about Islam. Jihadists are not driven by our reactions to them.

Agreed. They are driven by their irrational hatred of anyone who is not exactly like them. Which, incidentally, includes the majority of Muslims.

Have to run. BBL.

cheers

eon

I'm starting to think many heads of state are mentally deficient, continually pandering, or both.

re: #80 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Thanks for the links. Such study could be a correct path towards a solution to the problem.

re: #8 Iron Fist

Goddamnit, if you call me violent one more time, I'll kill you.

And it will be your fault.

I wonder if they are all so desensitized from all the violent references and experiences, exposures since they're old enough to understand and remember -- that they have lost the REAL definition of what it means to be "violent".

re: #84 experiencedtraveller

Thanks for the links. Such study could be a correct path towards a solution to the problem.

I'm not out on a limb in saying this... I'm way th' hell off the end of it. (Color me Wile E. Coyote who's now the proprietor of the Acme Institute of Historical Inquiry.)

I have a gut-level suspicion that the earlier, erased-and-reused, Qurans could easily have contained out-and-out heresies -- something more than just a re-ordering of the Sura, like is mentioned the second link. There was too great a change between the tone of the very earliest Mecca Sura and the vitrolic jihadism of the later Medina Sura. To my mind, Occam's Razor says that some very fundamental change occured, possibly inside Mohammed's mind. The Third Caliph had all "incorrect" Qurans destroyed. ... hmmm ... why?

re: #50 x-wing

O.T. Did anyone just hear Rush playing the Obama sound bites? Barry just asked a crowd if they knew any plumbers that made 250k a year.

*spit*

Joe the Plumber said himself in so many words -- that it wasn't the salary amount number $250,000 that was the issue . He said what if one day Obama decided that a "rich" person made $100,000? He could change the number to anything....that is the point. It is not for Obama to say.

Well, this is something we won't have to worry about once Comrade Obama takes office; he'll outlaw all religions.

re: #88 AZDave

Well, this is something we won't have to worry about once Comrade Obama takes office; he'll outlaw all religions.

All except that of the Prophet, James Cone.

Remember, this is Kazakhstan.

re: #72 Charles

I disagree. You're making a fundamental mistake, and assuming that groups like Hamas and the Islamic regime care even one iota about the West's opinions about Islam. Jihadists are not driven by our reactions to them.

Jihadists could care less, but Muslims in general could and I in fact would expected them to be influenced by the West's opinions about their faith.

Most terrorists today are Muslim, however that does not mean that all Muslims are terrorists. While the most radical elements in their midst try to propagandize that their faith is synonymous with terrorism, the West ought to offer them a choice and a path for them to streamline their spiritual tradition with modernity. If Western talking heads parrot the Jihadists' talking point, that Islam at large requires mayhem, terrorism, and genocide, that doesn't help anyone but the Jihadists.

I have read the Koran and as a critical observer, I would think that the text was written by a single person (Mohammad) in order to brainwash his fellow primitive tribespeople so that they are ready to fight a never-ending war of expansionism. The whole of the book, with the exception of some rather pleasant poetry excerpts, sounds overall barbaric, backward, primitive, bellicose, and the product of a society that has very little to relate to ours.

That being said, I hold not much higher opinions of the Bible, both old and new testaments, especially the Hebrew Bible.

If I were a Muslim and read the Koran uncritically in order to glean moral dictates from it, yes, I would conclude that my duty as a Muslim would be to subdue/convert/or kill infidels. Likewise, if I were a religious Jew or a Christian looking at the Bible as a historical source on the origins of life and as a beacon of morality, I would no doubt conclude that the Earth was made in 7 days and is no more than 7,000 years old, I would look for remnants of Noah's Ark in Saudi Arabia, I would put to death anyone who takes pictures of him/her-self, because that's idolatry, and I would legalize polygamy, and re-institute the ban on usury.

Creationists try to propagandize the unshakable parallel between being a Christian and being a creationist, much in the way Jihadists try to spread the idea that being a good Muslim cannot be divorced from being a terrorist.

Charles, you have done a lot on this site to shake one of these wrong-headed conceptions, and I wish you would do the same with the other one.

Charles, I wish that the same way

re: #91 medaura18586

Correction:

Most terrorists today are Muslim, however that does not mean that MOST Muslims are terrorists.

Islamic Terrorism Timeline

Hey!, it's been a recent phenomena...Give these dudes a break, huh?

SHIT!

errr... some repeat fragment there in the bottom... weird

The amazing thing about these kinds of statements, which are issued almost every day by one Islamic leader or another, is that the people who say them have no apparent recognition that they’re tying themselves into a rhetorical knot.

This assumes they've applied logic to their reasoning in the first place. The logic they've applied isn't the same sort of logic taught in western schools...
It does however fit right in with the logic of victim politics...

re: #93 Elcid

AND hell, that "Timeline" didn't even list the '70's, '80's, '90's, '00, '01, '02, '03, '04, '05, '06, '07, '08' and what WILL take place, in the future

medaura18586

much in the way Jihadists try to spread the idea that being a good Muslim cannot be divorced from being a terrorist.

I keep hearing the word "moderate" or "good"...Where are they? Where are their voices? Where are their actions?

There should be some, but those THREE "where's" keep getting in the way.

Reminds me of a story. Had a friend whose older brother was quite... well... worthless at the time... he is now a productive member of society for now... and we all gave the said friend a hard time due to his questionable attitude and choices.

"Dude, you are going to turn out to be just like your brother."

Then he did. I asked him what his issues were.

"Well everyone said I was going to be like my brother. So I might as well prove them right."

/BRILLIANT! Recipe for SUCCESS!

If Western talking heads parrot the Jihadists' Korans talking point, that Islam at large requires mayhem, terrorism, and genocide, that doesn't help anyone but the Jihadists.

Fixed it for ya.

re: #91 medaura18586

Most terrorists today are Muslim, however that does not mean that all Muslims are terrorists.

I agree with this - however, neither Muslims nor non-Muslims are served by self-censorship driven by fear of violence, and that's what this story is about beneath the surface.

I really think it's foolish to believe that by not using certain terms, or by tip-toeing cautiously around "delicate" (read: capable of provoking violence) subjects, you're ever going to make any difference in the situation.

No human cause benefits from denial, and I see statements like the one from the Kazakh Foreign Minister as pure, simple denial of the obvious -- mixed with more than a hint of intimidation through veiled threats.

The amazing thing about these kinds of statements, which are issued almost every day by one Islamic leader or another, is that the people who say them have no apparent recognition that they’re tying themselves into a rhetorical knot.

UH....When was the last time you read some of the Koran big C?
It is the original model for pretzel logic.

The Foreign Minister of Kakakahstan -- now it all makes sense.

I lived temporarily in Kazakhstan- a little over a month in 2006. We spent time in Almaty and Aqtobe- the latter of which is very Kazakh (read Muslim). However, most of the Kazakhs we met and spoke with knew little about Islam, were very unobservant, they just very strongly disliked Russians (especially in Aqtobe, where there is constant, low grade payback), and Chinese. The younger the Kazakh individual in Aqtobe, the less likely he/she would be to have Russian friends. Older people mixed a bit better.

The country, with its rampant corruption, giant pictures of dear leader everywhere, and minimal work ethic struck me as more old style Soviet than Muslim inspired. I think, though, the Kazakh government wasn't as successful as they hoped getting money from America and the West, and signs were even then (speaking with educated Russian ethnics in Almaty) that they were going to "play the Muslim card" in the future if cash, aid, etc wasn't forthcoming. So here it is.

re: #65 experiencedtraveller

OK Leauki. You are offering an individual by individual approach that is fine. Buy why not dedicate your energy to a path that may lead to systemic reformation throughout Islam?

That is what I am doing.

Telling Muslims that Islam is about terrorism does not open the doors to reform. They will not abandon their religion just because western infidels don't like it.

Reminding them that their religion actually teaches that the terrorists are wrong is more likely to work. And I have seen it work. In contrast to perhaps many here I actually know many Muslims. I have Muslim friends and had Muslim flatmates when I studied in Haifa.

Four weeks ago I was in Iraq. Luckily my attitude towards Muslims living there was not "they are terror supporters" but "they suffer from the terrorists like we do". That view opened many doors. And you wouldn't believe how happy they were to meet a Jew!

[Link: gallery.me.com...]

[Link: gallery.me.com...]

The Peshmerga, the Kurdish militia who fought Saddam, are definitely on our side. And they are Muslims. Telling them that their religion is wrong and violent doesn't help. Agreeing with them that the terrorists are wrong and violent is more useful.

[Link: web.mac.com...]

A Peshmerga lieutenant at a checkpoint a few miles outside Sulimeiniya told me (incorrectly) that I was the first Jew in the region since the 1930s or 1940s. But he was very clearly happy to meet me.

Reforming Islam is perhaps a noble goal, but I don't see how we can achieve it by telling the world that the true Islam is the Islam of the terrorists. What reason is there to reform what is already perfect? And if we AND the terrorists claim that the terrorists do G-d's work (and that is what we do when we call them "Muslims"), what do you think Muslims will do?

re: #72 Charles

I disagree. You're making a fundamental mistake, and assuming that groups like Hamas and the Islamic regime care even one iota about the West's opinions about Islam. Jihadists are not driven by our reactions to them.

No. I assume that other Muslims care. And I know they do.

There are millions of Muslims out there who are trying to speak up but are intimidated. "They are murdering our children" the terrorists lie to them, trying to get their support. They are looking for us to make our point, to tell them about the lies. Instead we tell them that Hamas are the real Muslims.

Hamas and groups like them don't care about western opinion, perhaps; but the Pakistanis in the local sandwich shop do, as do Israeli Arabs and Iraqi Kurds and others.

Israeli Bedouins and Druze are not fighting for Israel because they believe that Islam is evil. They fight for Israel because they know that Israel doesn't think that way. The clans in Anbar, Iraq, are not fighting Al-Qaeda because they think that Islam is violent; they are fighting Al-Qaeda because Al-Qaeda are violent and Islam, their own religion, is not. They don't see Al-Qaeda as representative of G-d's will. If they did, they would submit.

Perhaps you think that Muslims don't care about the west's opinion. But I know from experience that Muslims are eager to learn. You just have to seem as if you don't hate Islam and they will listen.

I know many Muslims here who were surprised to learn that Jews do not want to destroy the Al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem and that Muslims are allowed to pray in there. What do you think is more likely to make them believe what the terrorists lie about Israel? Telling them that the Al-Aqsa mosque should be destroyed and that all Muslims are evil? Or telling them that Islam is a great religion and culture and Israel therefore obviously allows Muslims to pray in the Al-Aqsa mosque?

Is your opinion of Islam based on how much Muslims say they hate Christianity, Judaism, and western culture? If to any degree it is, you must surely understand that Muslim opinion of the west is at least partly based on what Americans and Europeans say about Islam.

re: #97 Elcid

I keep hearing the word "moderate" or "good"...Where are they? Where are their voices? Where are their actions?

When I was in Iraq I met Kurdish Peshmerga fighters. In fact, they are very visible on the streets. Like in Israel there are checkpoints everywhere in north-eastern Iraq.

When I was in Israel I met Druze IDF soldiers. And I studied with Israeli Arabs who were definitely "moderate" and some were quite "good" too.

They exist, and their voices are heard. And they are called traitors by the so-called real Muslims.