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World | Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 6:21:56 pm PDT

Do you really think electing Barack Obama is going to make these people like us? Foreign poll favours Obama but shows hostility to US.

People around the world are pinning their hopes on Barack Obama in next month’s presidential election, according to an international survey published today.

I found this article through a referral from reddit.com, and get a load of this comment from a seriously deluded reddit reader in Belgium who apparently believes that LGF supports Pat Buchanan and the Vlaams Belang:

We’ve got our share of right wing *ssholes. You should see some of our reader forums-—it would make the littlegreenfootballs crowd envious. This p.o.s. loves Bill O’Reilly (see his ‘weblinks’ on the right), he is an elected representative and a vile populist (muslim bashing, socialist bashing, french-speaking people bashing... you name it, he does it), and his Milton Friedman-loving party stands to gain about 20% of the electoral votes in our elections next year. Add that to the neo-racist 20% that votes for Vlaams Belang, a party that loves to rub itself against the brown fringes of the american conservatives and pat buchanan, and you’ll understand why I fear it’s only a matter of time before we stop being a social-democratic-oriented country.

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1 rawmuse  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:23:02pm

Screw them, they don't have to live here.

2 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:23:49pm

It is better to be feared than loved.

3 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:24:18pm

Maybe we shouldn't save their asses the next time.

4 gmsc  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:24:25pm

Let's see...the world wants 0bama, and we don't want him. Simple solution: Send to the rest of the world.

5 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:24:41pm

Yeah, well f*ck you!

6 infidel Alan  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:24:48pm

Well, I despise social-democrats and the entire European left so I don't much care what some turkey from Belgium posts online.

7 sleepyone  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:25:00pm

I'm sorry, did you just say something?

8 nightintheruts  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:25:23pm

ah, come on world.

We're just trying to teach the world to sing
In perfect harmony...
We want to buy the world a coke...
then nuclear anarchy...

or something like that.

/

9 solomonpanting  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:26:13pm

World Hearts Obama, Hates Everything Else About America

The world is making the assumption that Obama represents what America encompasses.

10 sharp_discernment  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:26:30pm

Of course they want Obama in the White House because they'll actually have to respect McCain.

11 OldLineTexan  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:26:31pm

Maybe Mr. Belgian would've been happier if we had stayed home sixty years ago and EVERYONE in Yurrop could be a fascist.

BTW, if they want Obama in office, the Belgians can have him.

12 arethusa  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:26:31pm

The world really hearts a weak, pacifist America.

13 willowone  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:26:41pm

Until they need assistance or money

14 HelloDare  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:26:44pm

France loves Jerry Lewis, too.

15 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:27:01pm

My tent is Nazi-free.

16 jaunte  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:27:15pm

The world would like the US taken down a peg, and they figure correctly that Obama is the man to do it.

17 DesertSage  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:27:18pm

And to top it all off, Bush announces visa waiver for 7 countries.
[Link: ap.google.com...]
Doesn't that just beat all?

18 guzziguy  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:27:18pm

The "world" would love a weakened America. Why wouldn't they heart Obama?

19 gmsc  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:27:20pm

re: #8 nightintheruts

ah, come on world.

We're just trying to teach the world to sing
In perfect harmony...
We want to buy the world a coke...
then nuclear anarchy...

or something like that.

/

With 0bama, it's more like:

"I'd like to talk your money to buy someone else a coke,
and I'll jail you if you refuse . . ."

20 willowone  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:27:28pm

re: #12 arethusa
and then scream that we are isolationists. can't win.

21 jcm  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:27:43pm

If the world hates us so much why do they buy all our shit, yell for us to help, and would come here in a heartbeat of the opportunity afforded itself?

The world is a bunch of teenagers, the United States is the parent.

22 joncelli  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:27:50pm

Oderint dum metuant.

23 arethusa  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:27:55pm

re: #11 OldLineTexan

Maybe Mr. Belgian would've been happier if we had stayed home sixty years ago and EVERYONE in Yurrop could be a fascist.

BTW, if they want Obama in office, the Belgians can have him.

For about a year Belgium was (ahem) unable to form a government.

24 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:28:06pm

re: #6 infidel Alan

Your posts always freak me out. I used to use that avatar and every time I skim a thread with you posting I think I've been nickjacked.
/No worries

25 michaelasher  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:29:05pm
26 willowone  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:29:17pm

this is why; imho-the "Global Poverty Act," sponsored by Democratic presidential candidate and Senator Barack Obama, is up for a Senate vote on Thursday and could result in the imposition of a global tax on the United States. The bill, which has the support of many liberal religious groups, makes levels of U.S. foreign aid spending subservient to the dictates of the United Nations.[Link: www.aim.org...]

27 alien_mind  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:29:35pm

Kim Jong-Il loves Obama,,almost as much as the worthress Awec Barrwin.

28 OldLineTexan  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:29:38pm

re: #17 DesertSage

And to top it all off, Bush announces visa waiver for 7 countries.
[Link: ap.google.com...]
Doesn't that just beat all?

Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and South Korea will be added to the U.S. visa waiver program in about a month. Each of those countries allows U.S. citizens to visit without obtaining a visa.

The Baltic republics and the other nations are our allies.

Eastern Europe is much more US-friendly than anyone we liberated directly, such as the Belgians.

Also, it's reciprocity. I am in favor of it.

29 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:29:39pm

re: #9 solomonpanting

World Hearts Obama, Hates Everything Else About America

The world is making the assumption that Obama represents what America encompasses.

Actually, I see it as the world encompasses everything Obama wants for America.

Just my .02

30 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:29:42pm

al-Guardian doesn't vote in our election, and neither do the Flemish.

31 willowone  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:29:44pm

thrilling future.

32 opnion  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:29:50pm

Europe is sadly decaying. They have become so comfortably government dependent & lazy. The resentment toward the U.S is irrational. They at the same time see us as all powerful, causing the world to suffer & also as an impotent has been.
Obama is the kind of smug, arrogant Euro Socialist that they are comfortable with.

33 nightintheruts  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:30:23pm

re: #19 gmsc


yep.

kinda makes you wonder what he promised all the foreign leaders behind closed doors...
how much of our money will be going to help those poor people that hate our guts?

34 SFGoth  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:30:33pm

It is long past time to cut off aid to every country in the world except the one country that likes us - Israel. Of course, with Pres. 0, they'll be the only ones to have their aid cut off.

35 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:31:00pm

Europe has become a cesspool and we're supposed to care what they think?

They decry American militarism, but when the former Yugoslavia blew up in a most spectacular way, which country did they call? Not France, that's for sure.

I could give a rat's red ass what Europe thinks about Barack Obama. Let them have him, if they want. I'm hoping and believing that after November 4, he'll be available.

36 ledger1  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:31:02pm

Q. Why does Barack want higher taxes?

A. Cause he won’t be the one paying them.

37 FrogMarch  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:31:04pm

The continent of enlightenment (Hitler Stalin and Mussolini) can kiss my ass.

38 Geepers  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:31:40pm

Killgore Trout (#24),

Your posts always freak me out. I used to use that avatar and every time I skim a thread with you posting I think I've been nickjacked.

Well, seeings how you've become an Obama supporter a lot of us think you've been nickjacked too.

39 willowone  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:32:22pm

i bet they can all hardly wait to be able to Vote legally in U.S, elections : ;{}

40 Glackinspeil  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:32:28pm

re: #38 Geepers

Say it ain't so

41 nightintheruts  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:33:00pm

re: #28 OldLineTexan


I know some people from those countries. They know what it's like to be oppressed under the type of government Obama wants.
They don't want to go back to it.

42 FrogMarch  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:33:26pm

Truth and factual information mean little to left-wingers.

43 jaunte  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:33:52pm

re: #39 willowone

Unfortunately, voting laws only make a difference when they're enforced.

44 solomonpanting  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:33:54pm

re: #2 goddessoftheclassroom

It is better to be feared than loved.

From the article:

Many people now fear rather than warm to America.

45 gmsc  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:34:20pm

re: #39 willowone

i bet they can all hardly wait to be able to Vote legally in U.S, elections : ;{}

Why do they have to wait? I'm sure ACORN would register them.

46 willowone  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:34:24pm

re: #43 jaunte

so true

47 Jade  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:34:38pm

We'll see how much they hate us when Europe is Eurabia and Muslims are killing infidels by the oodles right in front of Arc La'Triumphe. They'll run to us for help and beg to save them like the cowardly little dogs that they are.

48 willowone  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:34:43pm

re: #45 gmsc

yes

49 Glackinspeil  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:34:54pm

re: #45 gmsc

Why do they have to wait? I'm sure ACORN would register them.

Good one

50 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:35:20pm

re: #44 solomonpanting

From the article:

Many people now fear rather than warm to America.

So, as jaunte (#16) observed, they want to see us knocked down.

Too bad.

51 brickthruplateglasswindow  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:35:28pm

The world has spoken. How soon can O have his bags packed?

52 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:35:52pm

Belgium voted against article 5 invocation after 9/11.

Kick. Them. Out.

Let. Them. Rot.

53 BakaRanger  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:36:20pm

Much of the planet feels inferior to the US and they are incapable of rising to our level,,,the solution bring us down to theirs via the "Precious One".

54 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:36:20pm

I've had people tell me that as soon as Obama is elected they' going to finally take that European vacation which they've been too embarrassed to take for the past eight years.

This is how pathetic many Americans have become.

55 Geepers  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:37:05pm

Glackinspeil (#40),

Say it ain't so

Jump back a thread and check out the "he's a realistic politician" comments.

56 JacksonTn  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:37:27pm

Ace is going all out against the media ... tit for tat ... about time some of those assh*les get a taste of their own medicine ... I bet many of them have not paid their taxes ... and what about their social lives ... it is okay to slam a man for asking one friggin question ... Just One Question ...

57 HelloDare  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:37:33pm

He, why don't we just elect Jerry Lewis. That would at least make France happy.

58 rawmuse  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:37:52pm

re: #54 Ringo the Gringo

It won't help. I have been to Europe plenty of times in the last 30 years, I have not detected a change in the level of rudeness in all those times.

59 Reno911  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:38:18pm

re: #45 gmsc

Why do they have to wait? I'm sure ACORN would register them.

ACORN has already registered them.

60 FrogMarch  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:38:21pm

That commenter has no clue what he is talking about...

Milton Friedman - Bill O'Reilly - are on par with Vlaams Belang?
Not quite, idiot.

But he can take Pat Buchanan.

61 nightintheruts  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:38:29pm

re: #54 Ringo the Gringo

I've had people tell me that as soon as Obama is elected they' going to finally take that European vacation which they've been too embarrassed to take for the past eight years.

This is how pathetic many Americans have become.

yeah, and all of a sudden the french and the muslims will love them.

the blind lead the blind and both fall into the pit.

62 jcm  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:38:32pm

re: #59 Reno911

ACORN has already registered them.

Several times...

63 erisldysnomia  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:38:41pm

Has this occurred to anyone? The abuse of Joe the Plumber by the Left shows that our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan are not fighting for American freedoms.

They are fighting for the ability of Upper West Siders to be thugs and abuse McCain/Palin marchers with impunity; the are fighting for the rights of disgusting perverts to behave abhorrently as in Zombie's "Hall of Shame" here.

When our troops come home, they need to start fighting the real enemies of America: the Left.

64 spidly  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:39:15pm

looks like the mickey mouse vote has Ohio sewn up for Obama

65 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:39:26pm

Hey Euroweenies...

On 4 Nov 08, John McCain is going to win.

You are welcome to Chairman Obama then... if you want him so bad.

66 SlartyBartfast  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:39:30pm

They would like to see us elect Obama precisely because they don't like us! I'd like to witness Obama stepping in a pile of dog-doo for exactly the same reason!

Yeah, step there! Perfect!

67 arethusa  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:39:41pm

re: #54 Ringo the Gringo

I've had people tell me that as soon as Obama is elected they' going to finally take that European vacation which they've been too embarrassed to take for the past eight years.

This is how pathetic many Americans have become.

I spent 2 years living in Europe (Greece) during the Bush years, and visited Europe a couple other times. I never felt ashamed, but I did see quite a few anti-American protests, one flag burning, one effigy of Death carrying a US flag, and one Bush-effigy burning.

Greeks didn't like Americans even before Bush, they feel they were used as a pawn in the Cold War.

68 solomonpanting  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:39:48pm

re: #50 goddessoftheclassroom

So, as jaunte (#16) observed, they want to see us knocked down.

Too bad.

One prominent aspect of European values is that of equality, and if someone needs to be brought down a rung or two, as opposed to lifting the lessers up, so be it.

"I want to spread the wealth around."

BO

69 OldLineTexan  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:40:00pm

re: #41 nightintheruts

I know some people from those countries. They know what it's like to be oppressed under the type of government Obama wants.
They don't want to go back to it.

Absolutely correct.

70 willowone  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:40:10pm

i would hope our military would never turn on it's citizens.

71 opnion  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:40:25pm

Colmbs is on H&C now excusing Obama & Biden for mocking the plumber.
He does it by saying that Joe is a registered Republican & not licensed plumber. If you are as manual labor adverse as a guy like Colmbs , you would not understand what an apprenticeship is.

72 nightintheruts  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:40:34pm

re: #56 JacksonTn

How bout we get a site and start putting all kinds of privacy info about media heads on it?
Take a week and humiliate some azzhole like they've done to one man that asked a simple question and made their god-man look bad.

73 jaunte  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:40:48pm

re: #63 erisldysnomia

Civil war is a bad idea. Free speech has the price of protecting some speech and actions you don't agree with, even some that you find repugnant, and expecting that the same leeway be given to you.

74 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:40:56pm
75 katemaclaren  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:40:58pm

HELP CHARLES!

When I use Safari, I always get kicked out of the browser when I try to refresh LGF or even sometimes when I try to give someone an upding. Now that I'm switching to Firefox, I can't use any of the buttons for style or replies--all grayed out. What's up? I have a 2 year old IMAC in good shape, and it is only LGF where I have problems. This is very frustrating.

76 erisldysnomia  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:41:03pm

re: #56 JacksonTn

Ace is going all out against the media ... tit for tat ... about time some of those assh*les get a taste of their own medicine ... I bet many of them have not paid their taxes ... and what about their social lives ... it is okay to slam a man for asking one friggin question ... Just One Question ...

It was a major strategic error to slam a working class person, who by the way was not running for anything, and whose credibility is not an issue because he has nothing to be proven credible or not credible about.

77 JacksonTn  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:41:03pm

re: #72 nightintheruts

How bout we get a site and start putting all kinds of privacy info about media heads on it?
Take a week and humiliate some azzhole like they've done to one man that asked a simple question and made their god-man look bad.

I think that is what Ace is doing ...

78 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:41:06pm

re: #70 willowone

i would hope our military would never turn on it's citizens.

They won't, only on its traitors.

79 joncelli  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:41:33pm

re: #63 erisldysnomia

How would you use the military against the Left? Round them up? That's a ludicrous suggestion, first because it involves the military in domestic politics and second because the way to fight the Left is to fight their ideas with better ideas.

80 jcm  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:41:34pm

Got my ballots in the mail today.


Decisions, decisions.

McCain/Palin
or
Obama/Biden

How will I every make up my mind?

*sigh*

/

81 Sylvester_T_Cat  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:41:41pm

re: #26 willowone

this is why; imho-the "Global Poverty Act," sponsored by Democratic presidential candidate and Senator Barack Obama, is up for a Senate vote on Thursday and could result in the imposition of a global tax on the United States. The bill, which has the support of many liberal religious groups, makes levels of U.S. foreign aid spending subservient to the dictates of the United Nations.[Link: www.aim.org...]

The numbers I've seen for this global tax are about 950 Billion -- slightly more than the infamous Bailout -- yearly. Something like a $2000 annual tax increase was what they were figuring the Bailout would cost; now the 'rats want to add another frickin' $2K annually? For the U.N.?

Bush is going to go down in the history books as the Hoover of our generation if he doesn't veto this bill (when it imho passes, that's what a dem majority does with tax bills) and make the dems try to override the veto in the glare of prime time TV.

82 HelloDare  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:42:04pm

With Obama's friends and associates, you'd figure there would have been an October surprise by now. The thing is, Ayers would be enough to take down any Republican. A sex tape won't do it. Seriously, what would it take?

Rezko better start singing soon. Can a President be impeached before he's inaugurated? Preemptive impeachment. Swear him in, swear him out.

83 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:42:08pm

re: #54 Ringo the Gringo

I've had people tell me that as soon as Obama is elected they' going to finally take that European vacation which they've been too embarrassed to take for the past eight years.

This is how pathetic many Americans have become.

Packed yet, KT?

84 erisldysnomia  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:42:10pm

re: #73 jaunte

Civil war is a bad idea. Free speech has the price of protecting some speech and actions you don't agree with, even some that you find repugnant, and expecting that the same leeway be given to you.

I'm not suggesting civil war. I'm suggesting the troops use political means when they get home to combat the MSM and left.

85 SlartyBartfast  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:42:25pm

re: #56 JacksonTn

BTW--I drove through Jackson today. West TN may not be heaven, but it has the same zip code!

86 Steffan  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:42:26pm

Riddle me this:

If everyone in the world hates America, why is this the only country in the world where people will risk their lives to sneak in?

87 arethusa  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:42:27pm

re: #75 katemaclaren

HELP CHARLES!

When I use Safari, I always get kicked out of the browser when I try to refresh LGF or even sometimes when I try to give someone an upding. Now that I'm switching to Firefox, I can't use any of the buttons for style or replies--all grayed out. What's up? I have a 2 year old IMAC in good shape, and it is only LGF where I have problems. This is very frustrating.

Are you sure they don't work? They work for me in FF even when grayed out. Just put the mouse over them and click.

88 joncelli  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:42:47pm

re: #70 willowone

Precisely. Let the Left be defeated by ideas and votes. When we turn the guns on them, we've lost the debate.

89 JacksonTn  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:43:14pm

Global Poverty Act ... yeah the rest of the world loves us ...

90 jaunte  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:43:15pm

re: #84 erisldysnomia

I can fully agree with that.
/ father and father-in-law of troops

91 OldLineTexan  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:43:18pm

re: #80 jcm

Got my ballots in the mail today.


Decisions, decisions.

McCain/Palin
or
Obama/Biden

How will I every make up my mind?

*sigh*

/

Try flipping a coin.

What? You don't have a coin? Someone should give you a coin?

You are an Obama supporter!

///

92 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:43:21pm

re: #56 JacksonTn

Ace is going all out against the media ... tit for tat ... about time some of those assh*les get a taste of their own medicine ... I bet many of them have not paid their taxes ... and what about their social lives ... it is okay to slam a man for asking one friggin question ... Just One Question ...

Obama's own sister didn't pay her taxes back in 2000. Not sure if she's paid them by now, but she did incur a penalty of over $1000.

On Hillary Clinton Forum

Obama is a hypocrite - his own sister didn't pay her taxes on time, and his thugs DARE to bash Joe the Plumber for his tax lien?

93 akak  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:43:37pm

If it ain't broke don't fix it.

Except the FBI being afraid of Islamists. Hamas, Hezbashitzahs, Islamic Jihad, PLO, al Qaeda all operating within our borders etc etc etc.

Hey look a rainbow...

94 erisldysnomia  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:43:39pm

re: #79 joncelli

How would you use the military against the Left? Round them up? That's a ludicrous suggestion, first because it involves the military in domestic politics and second because the way to fight the Left is to fight their ideas with better ideas.

Protests, political activism, other non-violent means, of course.

95 solomonpanting  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:43:40pm

re: #84 erisldysnomia

I'm not suggesting civil war. I'm suggesting the troops use political means when they get home to combat the MSM and left.

In what way?

96 jcm  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:43:47pm

re: #70 willowone

i would hope our military would never turn on it's citizens.

Highly unlike, the Constitution and the role of Legal Orders are deeply engrained in very member and especially the command structure.

97 katemaclaren  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:44:02pm

Ah. Avatars are back, buttons are working. I haven't a clue what's going on with these things.

Today, I heard BO give a speech (I leave FOX on) and he kept saying "Ain't"--I teach college English and I've lived a pretty long and involved life, but I ain't never heard no President of the good ol' US of A saying "ain't."

98 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:44:17pm

Yasss, who will do the heavy lifting that the world needs to have done to remain a civilized place, if 0bama gets elected?

Watch out on getting what you desire, Europe.
Float your own.

99 recklessprocess  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:44:19pm

I think McCain will get a landslide. It is inevitable unless dems steal the election via ACORN

100 arethusa  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:44:30pm

re: #92 Intrepid

Obama's own sister didn't pay her taxes back in 2000.

He has more siblings besides the poor brother in Kenya and the shady businessman brother in China?

101 nightintheruts  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:44:35pm

re: #73 jaunte

Civil war is a bad idea. Free speech has the price of protecting some speech and actions you don't agree with, even some that you find repugnant, and expecting that the same leeway be given to you.


Yes, but the more extreme the freedom of speech the more extreme the disagreement can be.

And you can only fill the 1st amendment with so much b/s before it bumps into the 2nd amendment.

102 JacksonTn  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:44:36pm

re: #85 SlartyBartfast

BTW--I drove through Jackson today. West TN may not be heaven, but it has the same zip code!

I don't live in Jackson ... not sure why I put that in my nic ...

103 sleepyone  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:45:19pm

re: #99 recklessprocess

I think McCain will get a landslide. It is inevitable unless dems steal the election via ACORN

From your mouth to God's ear.

104 eon  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:45:21pm

re: #9 solomonpanting

World Hearts Obama, Hates Everything Else About America

The world is making the assumption that Obama represents what America encompasses.

Actually, they're hoping The One will make America Europe on a grand scale, "boutique socialism" and all.

Mainly because, while they tell themselves they are morally, ethically, and intellectually superior to us grubby Yanks, inside they know that their economies are a shambles, their governments are financial black holes, their schools are little more than expensive daycare with a serious casualty rate, their institutions of higher education are (in James Burke's words about 14th Century antecedents) temples of irrelevant logic-chopping, and that in spite of their "superior" attitudes on personal defense (prohibiting it altogether) their cities aren't safe in the daytime, let alone at night.

Add in the fact that they are slowly and inexorably being turned into client states of the Islamic world, and they are realising that they are facing a repeat of the Sixth through Tenth Centuries AD. Mainly due to their own conceits and egotisms.

No one likes to admit that they've blotted their own copybook to that degree. So, naturally, they look for a scapegoat.

And who else is in a position for them to blame it on, without their having to lose even a smidgen of their faux self-esteem?

They can't blame it on Russia or China- they idolize them to varying degrees due to Marxian socialism. South America? More socialism- can't turn on them. Africa? Not and retain their multicultural street cred. (And Africa has its own problems, mainly imported from Europe to begin with, like Marx's "ideals".)

When you come down to it, the Euro-intelligentsia has the same two choices as their Euro-loving counterparts here. They can either admit that their "perfect system" works about as well as a Chauchat LMG in .30-06, and that it's that screwed-up because it was a lousy design to begin with- or they can point the finger at us, the average Americans who haven't bought into their pie-in-the-sky scam, and yell, "It's all your fault!"

Knowing the way the elite "intellectual" mind works, I'm not a bit surprised that they choose the latter course. And no one else should be, either.

cheers

eon

105 willowone  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:45:22pm

re: #78 goddessoftheclassroom, hope not and spelling correction its* I know that you're a teacher, hangs head in shame.

106 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:45:44pm

re: #80 jcm

Got my ballots in the mail today.


Decisions, decisions.

McCain/Palin
or
Obama/Biden

How will I every make up my mind?

*sigh*

/

Uh... how many ballots you filling out?

107 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:46:11pm

re: #38 Geepers

Well, seeings how you've become an Obama supporter a lot of us think you've been nickjacked too.

Sorry, I don't address strawmen on Friday.

108 willowone  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:46:14pm

re: #96 jcm
That's what i always believed, But i was certain someone was advocating it,upstream.

109 wtsmn  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:46:17pm

AN ODE ON DELUSION (2)

When the One declared war on the capitalists,
I sent money to ACORN & MoveOn.org – it’s not fraudulent if we win;
War is Peace.

When the One called on us to shout down his critics,
I followed his commands blindly attacking any who questioned the Messiah;
Freedom is Slavery.

When the One promised to meet with America’s enemies (without preconditions),
I was proud of my country for the first time in my life;
Ignorance is Strength.

When the One came for me,
it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished;
I loved Big Brother.

WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

God Help Us All!


Bill S.

110 HelloDare  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:46:24pm

re: #92 Intrepid

Obama's own sister didn't pay her taxes back in 2000. Not sure if she's paid them by now, but she did incur a penalty of over $1000.

On Hillary Clinton Forum

Obama is a hypocrite - his own sister didn't pay her taxes on time, and his thugs DARE to bash Joe the Plumber for his tax lien?

The treasurer of Obama's campaign has tax liens -- personal and on his business.

111 opnion  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:46:32pm

The really pathetic part here is that Belgium is where Free Gaul resided.
Unlike the Latium Gaul (Present Day France) they did not collaborate with the Roman 0ccupation, they fought until they were militarily defeated.
Now Belgium has no fight at all, just venom.

112 rawmuse  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:46:39pm

re: #96 jcm

Once the new majority gets done passing all their myriad of new laws, it will be no problem to find some group or other in violation of those laws, thus giving law enforcement the green light to act. They will find ways to criminalize us, I fear.

113 jcm  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:46:42pm

re: #106 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Uh... how many ballots you filling out?

I have not had registrations with that organizing group... ACORN!

114 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:46:48pm

Well I'm convinced.
I surrender to and welcome our new Social-Democratic Over-Lords...

/I mean, we really need to be loved, don't we?

115 Mark1957  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:46:50pm

Many people now fear rather than warm to America.

Hmmm, Ithose "many people" obviously haven't seen the mountainous piles of trash along our border left behind by illegally crossing Mexicans.

116 alien_mind  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:46:55pm

seriously, i think many people think how the world views America is important, and that Bush has damaged our reputation and therefore they are attracted to Obama because the world will like him and the US again, and that is supposed to be a good thing.

I have run into naive people that make this argument, that the world is laughing at us, as that this is an issue that matters to them. it boggles my mind

117 shiek al beif salami  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:47:02pm

As P.J. O'Roarke (PBUH) once noted, there are two crowds of people outside every U.S. embassy: one group is burning American flags, the other group is waiting to get visas. All the people in the flag-burning group eventually end up in the visa group and vice-versa.

118 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:47:10pm
119 erisldysnomia  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:47:14pm

re: #73 jaunte

Civil war is a bad idea. Free speech has the price of protecting some speech and actions you don't agree with, even some that you find repugnant, and expecting that the same leeway be given to you.

And therein is today's problem. Free speech for the Left, but not for me or you.

120 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:47:19pm

re: #83 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I went to Africa last month. I'm out of vacation time for the next few years.
thanks for asking.

121 Strike Hornet  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:47:23pm

I do not and never have liked Tony Blair much but when he said:
If America is as bad a place as many in the world say it is, how come so many people around the world try to immigrate there" I had to agree with him...

122 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:47:49pm

re: #99 recklessprocess

I think McCain will get a landslide. It is inevitable unless dems steal the election via ACORN

If enough angry voters show up to take their country back, no amount of fraud will grab a victory for Obama.

There are millions of us.

123 arethusa  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:48:04pm

re: #111 opnion

You a Caesar fan?

124 Defogger  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:48:13pm

re: #99 recklessprocess

I think McCain will get a landslide. It is inevitable unless dems steal the election via ACORN

I hope you are right . . . even though McCain was far from my first choice.

125 solomonpanting  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:48:14pm

re: #104 eon

See my #68.

126 Colonel Panik  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:48:28pm

re: #79 joncelli

How would you use the military against the Left? Round them up? That's a ludicrous suggestion, first because it involves the military in domestic politics and second because the way to fight the Left is to fight their ideas with better ideas.

Well, for a start, I'd say they should get involved in politics at the local and state level like Col Alan West is doing in Florida and Duncan Hunter's son is in California.

I don't think he meant we need a Pinochet.

127 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:48:35pm

re: #113 jcm

I have not had registrations with that organizing group... ACORN!

It was the plural "ballots" in your original post that made me wonder...

128 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:48:51pm

re: #11 OldLineTexan

Maybe Mr. Belgian would've been happier if we had stayed home sixty years ago and EVERYONE in Yurrop could be a fascist.

BTW, if they want Obama in office, the Belgians can have him.

I like the way you think.

129 mitthrawnurdo  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:49:08pm

re: #116 alien_mind

I love those sort of people, because they remember with clarity the joy and respect afforded to the US by Europe during the Golden Age of the Clinton years...

/Wait, you mean Europe didn't like us even under President Clinton? Racist! (Remember that President Clinton was "the first black President").

130 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:49:27pm

re: #58 rawmuse

It won't help. I have been to Europe plenty of times in the last 30 years, I have not detected a change in the level of rudeness in all those times.

Same here. I've been to Europe and Asia a few times during the Bush years, and I am unapologetically pro-American - although I'm never rude about it - and I've always been surprised to find that once you really start to talk to people, especially after a few drinks, they aren't as anti-American as they at first seem. It's almost as if being anti-American is a conditioned reflex which a couple drinks and a friendly smile can, in many cases, cure.

131 JacksonTn  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:49:29pm

re: #118 taxfreekiller

Obama is nothing more than a dressed up street thug, the rest is lies and fraud.


Insecure ... dressed up street thug ...

(I wish I knew how to do the strikeout thing) ...

132 Perplexed  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:49:38pm

re: #16 jaunte

The world would like the US taken down a peg, and they figure correctly that Obama is the man to do it.

What they don't know is that if the US is taken down a peg or two that the rest of the world would also drop by the same peg or two.

I remember of a Brazilian government official who once said that he preferred to have his country carpet bombed from one end to the other over having interest rates go up a point.

133 arethusa  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:49:54pm

re: #116 alien_mind

No good superpower has ever tried to win a popularity contest. The old Soviet Union never cared who liked them, and they were doing OK there for a while. The Chinese don't much care whether folks like them, either, at least until they got the Olympics.

134 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:49:56pm

Check out this youtube video at Hillbuzz.

This must have happened before Chrissy Matthews felt that leg tingle.

135 ZK273  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:49:57pm

"Is it better to be respected or feared? I say, why not try for both?"

-Tony Stark

136 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:50:02pm

re: #129 mitthrawnurdo

I love those sort of people, because they remember with clarity the joy and respect afforded to the US by Europe during the Golden Age of the Clinton years...

/Wait, you mean Europe didn't like us even under President Clinton? Racist! (Remember that President Clinton was "the first black President").

They loved Clinton... he couldn't cross the street without apologizing for us.

137 erisldysnomia  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:50:07pm

re: #124 Defogger

I hope you are right . . . even though McCain was far from my first choice.

I'd take the aviator son and grandson of military admirals any day over a Harvard-trained "community organizer instigator" lawyer.

138 Shay4l  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:50:31pm

Note to world: We're not going to elect the communist, so F off

139 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:50:58pm

re: #105 willowone

, hope not and spelling correction its* I know that you're a teacher, hangs head in shame.

Dear, it was a typo, NOT a spelling error! As I tell my students when they spot one of my typos (if I'm in a hurry, I always miss one or two), I teach English, not keyboarding.

140 Strike Hornet  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:51:17pm

re: #116 alien_mind

seriously, i think many people think how the world views America is important, and that Bush has damaged our reputation and therefore they are attracted to Obama because the world will like him and the US again, and that is supposed to be a good thing.

I have run into naive people that make this argument, that the world is laughing at us, as that this is an issue that matters to them. it boggles my mind

I think some in the world ought to worry more about how America views them if they want to keep the billions and billions of US taxpayer funded aid funneling into their corrupt governments

141 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:51:22pm

re: #94 erisldysnomia

Protests, political activism, other non-violent means, of course.

As someone who lived in Thailand for a number of years, I don't want to see our military get involved in politics, unless they're retired or have served their full term and are no longer serving.

Military + National Politics = BAD, VERY BAD.

142 Mark1957  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:51:24pm

#114,

Well I'm convinced. I surrender to and welcome our new Social-Democratic Over-Lords...

Important safety tip: they can only , and will only, be your "Over-Lords" as long as you let them be so.

Ask George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and Thomas Paine if you don't believe me.

143 SlartyBartfast  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:51:27pm

re: #99 recklessprocess

I think McCain will get a landslide. It is inevitable unless dems steal the election via ACORN

A landslide? The Networks are apparently fretting the election night will be such a blow-out for Obama that they won't have anything do to after 8PM. (By the way, I imagine Keith Olbermann has replaced his Lara Logan photos on the wall beside his bed with the Politico article linked above.)

144 jaunte  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:51:44pm

re: #132 Perplexed

They're examples of that joke:
a genie offers a peasant one wish, but whatever he chooses his neighbor will get double. “Poke out one of my eyes,” the peasant responds.

145 erisldysnomia  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:51:45pm

Hmmm...when Jimmuh Cah-tuh got elected, the Iranians took our embassy hostage.

If BHO gets elected, will they also challenge him/us via blockading the Striaghts of Hormuz or attacking Israel or Iraq?

I would put my money on it.

146 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:51:52pm

re: #135 ZK273

"Is it better to be respected or feared? I say, why not try for both?"

-Tony Stark

I LOVED that movie!
/another fictional character I fell in love with...

147 opnion  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:52:01pm

re: #79 joncelli

How would you use the military against the Left? Round them up? That's a ludicrous suggestion, first because it involves the military in domestic politics and second because the way to fight the Left is to fight their ideas with better ideas.

I really like your thought process, but whoever controls the means of coersion wins all disagreements. History has shown that demogouges can radicaolly change socities. The Military gets purged of unfriendly officers etc. The Constitution & the courts really guarantee nothing, only a military faithful to the people does.

148 OldLineTexan  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:52:11pm

re: #128 reine.de.tout

I like the way you think.

I am willing to be generous!

149 Defogger  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:52:26pm

re: #108 willowone

That's what i always believed, But i was certain someone was advocating it,upstream.

I HOPE what that person meant is that the vets would come home and kick butts by loudly proclaiming a conservative political agenda. They could make a major impact, methinks.

150 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:53:16pm

re: #26 willowone

this is why; imho-the "Global Poverty Act," sponsored by Democratic presidential candidate and Senator Barack Obama, is up for a Senate vote on Thursday and could result in the imposition of a global tax on the United States. The bill, which has the support of many liberal religious groups, makes levels of U.S. foreign aid spending subservient to the dictates of the United Nations.[Link: www.aim.org...]

Holy cow! I didn't realize this abomination made it through committee and is on the Senate floor already. Did the House vote on it? Why isn't this in the media!
Damn, I have some phone calls to make to my Senators' offices.

151 jaunte  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:53:17pm

re: #149 Defogger

That is what was meant, and I agree.

152 erisldysnomia  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:53:22pm

re: #141 Intrepid

As someone who lived in Thailand for a number of years, I don't want to see our military get involved in politics, unless they're retired or have served their full term and are no longer serving.

Military + National Politics = BAD, VERY BAD.

A good point...however, many will have completed their terms on return or not long after, no?

153 joncelli  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:53:54pm

re: #141 Intrepid

Damn straight. It is good and proper that the service academies bang into the cadets' heads that there is a reason why their commander and chief is a civilian. Always, always, the military must be subordinate to its civilian leadership. There are dangers to a standing army, and that is the best way to resist them.

154 erisldysnomia  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:54:03pm

re: #149 Defogger

I HOPE what that person meant is that the vets would come home and kick butts by loudly proclaiming a conservative political agenda. They could make a major impact, methinks.

Indeed.

155 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:54:33pm

re: #75 katemaclaren

Don't use Safari.

156 nightintheruts  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:55:08pm

re: #103 sleepyone

From your mouth to God's ear.


My grandmother always used to say that.
Thank you for a good memory = )

157 willowone  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:55:24pm

re: #139 goddessoftheclassroom
Thank you for the kindness.

158 katemaclaren  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:55:45pm

re: #116 alien_mind

seriously, i think many people think how the world views America is important, and that Bush has damaged our reputation and therefore they are attracted to Obama because the world will like him and the US again, and that is supposed to be a good thing.

I have run into naive people that make this argument, that the world is laughing at us, as that this is an issue that matters to them. it boggles my mind

I made some enemies (good) in Italy when I lived there in 2002--note 2002! They were trashing Bush TO ME thinking I was going along with them. They called him a cowboy, illiterate--you know the drill. I said (and truly I had to THINK how to say this, in my best Italian--"How DARE you insult my country and our leader at this time--or any time and ask me to condone it? Where am i? Ah. Italy. Home of --duh--Mussolini?" I went on to tell them that where I lived, only 90 miles from the WTC (Philly northern suburbs), we could practically smell the burning bodies from 9/11. They were shocked, but eventually APOLOGIZED. I don't care if they were sincere or not--but they NEVER brought it up to ME again.

159 erisldysnomia  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:56:20pm

From Ace:

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

ARLINGTON, VA -- Today, McCain-Palin 2008 Spokesman Ben Porritt issued the following statement in response to the Obama campaign's letter to Attorney General Michael Mukasey:

"After a week of shifting stories and clumsy corrections regarding Barack Obama's connections to ACORN, the Obama campaign resorted to their now-customary heavy handed tactic of attempting to criminalize political discourse. Today's outrageous letter to Attorney General Mukasey and Special Prosecutor Dannehy at the Justice Department asking for a special prosecutor to investigate Senator McCain and Governor Palin's public statements about ACORN's record of fraudulent voter registrations (including in this week's Presidential debate) is absurd. It is a typical time-worn Washington attempt to criminalize political differences. For someone who promises 'change,' it is certainly only more of the same.

"The letter's request that the Department of Justice investigate 'recent partisan Republican activities throughout the country' is almost a parody of the Obama campaign's attempt to intimidate their political opponents. In case Sen. Obama's lawyer did not notice, we are in the midst of a political campaign, not a coronation, and the alleged criminal activity he calls 'recent partisan Republican activities' are what the rest of us call campaign speeches and debates. All of this is unfortunately reminiscent of the Obama campaign's recent creation of a 'truth squad' of Missouri prosecutors and sheriffs to 'target' people who criticize Sen. Obama. Rest assured that, despite these threats, the McCain-Palin campaign will continue to address the serious issue of voter registration fraud by ACORN and other partisan groups, and compliance by states with the Help America Vote Act's requirement of matching new voter registrations with state data bases to prevent voter fraud."

160 willowone  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:56:39pm

re: #150 Who Watches the Watchmen?
same article ;In addition to seeking to eradicate poverty, that declaration commits nations to banning "small arms and light weapons

161 Quad Mocha Matti  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:56:41pm

Good Evening, Lizards!

IMO, the world wouldn't lose much if Belgium just disappeared - well, they do make some mighty fine confections (if you don't include this one), art and design and they did manufacture a very well-regarded but long forgotten luxury automobile. So yeah, screw 'em.

162 Steffan  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:56:46pm

re: #18 guzziguy

The "world" would love a weakened America. Why wouldn't they heart Obama?

That's until they learn the consequences of a weakened America. If we're not there to keep the wolves at bay, what are the sheep gonna do?

In WWI, America was isolationist until 1917. The war was at a stalemate that Germany was likely to win just because they outlasted the Allies. Europe lost an entire generation of young men in that war. The attrition rate averaged out to more than 5000 men per day over four years. Do the math.

In WWII, Winston Churchill publicly thanked God that we were in the war in 1941.

The world may not realize it now, but they really don't want an introspective and isolationist America. They may not realize this until it's too late.

163 Defogger  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:56:57pm

re: #137 erisldysnomia

I'd take the aviator son and grandson of military admirals any day over a Harvard-trained "community organizer instigator" lawyer.

No argument here. McCain is an honorable man. Can't say that about BO.

164 willowone  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:57:19pm

re: #160 willowone
and ;The Millennium Declaration also affirms the U.N. as "the indispensable common house of the entire human family, through which we will seek to realize our universal aspirations for peace, cooperation and development

165 Perplexed  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:57:41pm

re: #54 Ringo the Gringo

I've had people tell me that as soon as Obama is elected they' going to finally take that European vacation which they've been too embarrassed to take for the past eight years.

This is how pathetic many Americans have become.

They can stay home once Obama is elected and have the same European travel experience.

166 katemaclaren  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:57:50pm

re: #155 Noam Sayin'

Don't use Safari.

Good advice, Noam.

167 joncelli  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:57:58pm

re: #147 opnion

It's important to note that our officers swear to follow the LAWFUL orders of their superiors. If one of their superiors said that the will of the people is that they should overthrow Congress and declare the President leader for life, the officers should refuse to obey this order.

168 opnion  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:57:59pm

re: #123 arethusa

You a Caesar fan?

No, on the contrary. Caesar was a facist in my estimation.

169 Muadib  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:58:01pm

I love the United States of America and those bastards can have 0bama.

170 alien_mind  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:00:22pm

re: #130 Ringo the Gringo

Same here. I've been to Europe and Asia a few times during the Bush years, and I am unapologetically pro-American - although I'm never rude about it - and I've always been surprised to find that once you really start to talk to people, especially after a few drinks, they aren't as anti-American as they at first seem. It's almost as if being anti-American is a conditioned reflex which a couple drinks and a friendly smile can, in many cases, cure.

When I go to Europe, I find that the real everyday folks, for the most part think America is great. what you hear represented over here as "world opinion" is the only the opinion of the snobbish European elites.

171 erisldysnomia  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:00:27pm

re: #163 Defogger

No argument here. McCain is an honorable man. Can't say that about BO.

Here's Harvard for ya: professors can't even keep their paws off the work of their students:

[Link: jama.ama-assn.org...]

172 Catttt  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:00:42pm

OT

On October 13, 1948, Thomas Dewey said this about an engineer (and it was recorded): "That's the first lunatic I've had for an engineer. He probably ought to be shot at sunrise, but I guess we can let him off because no one was hurt.'"

The final Gallup poll in 1948, conducted October 15-25, showed Dewey still ahead 49.5 percent to 44.5 percent.

The final vote: Truman 50 percent to 45 percent for Dewey.

Speculation was that the elitist remark (we can let him off, etc.) about the working guy changed some minds.

October 12, 2008:

Obama, to Joe the Plumber: "It's not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance for success too. My attitude is that if the economy's good for folks from the bottom up, it's gonna be good for everybody ... I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."

October 16, 2008 Gallup poll:
Likely voters/three-day: Obama 49 percent McCain 47 percent
Registered Voters: Obama leads 49 percent McCain 43 percent.

In case you wondered why Barry et alia are attacking Joe the Plumber like rabid werehyenas...

173 jcm  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:00:42pm

re: #108 willowone

That's what i always believed, But i was certain someone was advocating it,upstream.

You'll hear it from time to time. A number of years a ago a rumor was floated that UMSC recruits in boot camp were being asked if they'd fire on US civilians.

In a sense they were, but the correct response was in light of Posse Comitatus and other laws such orders would in virtually every case be illegal. (you could construct an extreme example)

They often bring up Kent State but that was ANG, which can be used in the state by the governor, so a different set of rules apply.

174 arethusa  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:00:44pm

re: #168 opnion

No, on the contrary. Caesar was a facist in my estimation.

Good, we agree then.

175 joncelli  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:01:07pm

re: #161 Quad Mocha Matti

Bah. Belgium is a shotgun marriage with a flag. Better if the Walloons and the Flemings go their separate ways and saved us from their opinions.

176 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:01:23pm

re: #134 Sharmuta

Check out this youtube video at Hillbuzz.

This must have happened before Chrissy Matthews felt that leg tingle.

Oh how the tingly leg has fallen!

/that clip needs to be in an ad!

177 OldLineTexan  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:01:27pm

re: #158 katemaclaren

I verbally disassembled the last person that used "cowboy" as a pejorative to me.

It has not happened since, but I have my six-shootyers loaded.

178 arethusa  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:01:32pm

re: #172 Cattt

That's really cool!

179 jcm  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:01:43pm

re: #127 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

It was the plural "ballots" in your original post that made me wonder...

Just seeing if you lizards are awake ;-P

For the record. One for me. One for my wife.

180 willowone  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:02:37pm

re: #173 jcm
Alright . thank you.

181 Steffan  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:02:40pm

re: #28 OldLineTexan

Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and South Korea will be added to the U.S. visa waiver program in about a month. Each of those countries allows U.S. citizens to visit without obtaining a visa.

The Baltic republics and the other nations are our allies.

Eastern Europe is much more US-friendly than anyone we liberated directly, such as the Belgians.

Also, it's reciprocity. I am in favor of it.

Absolutely.

And we have shed blood with South Korea. If they are not our allies, there is something vastly wrong.

I am very much in favor of it.

182 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:03:09pm

re: #159 erisldysnomia

Oh, for the love of Pete...

Whenever I start to think that maybe the Obama campaign couldn't possibly match my high expectations of their SA-like behavior, they shoot for the moon and blow right past anything I would have believed.

183 erisldysnomia  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:03:15pm

re: #167 joncelli

It's important to note that our officers swear to follow the LAWFUL orders of their superiors. If one of their superiors said that the will of the people is that they should overthrow Congress and declare the President leader for life, the officers should refuse to obey this order.

See how Philly police officers are now trained: by viewing the holocaust museum...

[Link: www.philly.com...]

184 Defogger  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:03:44pm

re: #164 willowone

and ;The Millennium Declaration also affirms the U.N. as "the indispensable common house of the entire human family, through which we will seek to realize our universal aspirations for peace, cooperation and development

The UN has become a collection of thugs, whose soul purpose is to bring down the USA. In my mind, they have long ago worn out their welcome. Let 'em meet in Belgium!

185 erisldysnomia  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:04:32pm

re: #182 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Oh, for the love of Pete...

Whenever I start to think that maybe the Obama campaign couldn't possibly match my high expectations of their SA-like behavior, they shoot for the moon and blow right past anything I would have believed.

Yeah, that one caught me by surprise to.

A harbinger of future tyranny...?

186 Ledger1  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:04:37pm

This story from The Guardian is sheer agi-prop (propaganda). It was probably taken from one of Obama talking points.

Add some leftwing nutroots and Middle Eastern people on the staff of the Guardian and presto, you have a propaganda hit piece.

And one that is of zero credibility – just like the Big O.

187 Steffan  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:06:09pm

re: #35 Intrepid

Europe can't do diddly without US help -- if the EU wants to flex its military muscle, such as it is (heh), they have to ask the USAF for the transport planes to take them to their target.

Pathetic doesn't begin to describe them.

188 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:06:09pm

re: #185 erisldysnomia

Yeah, that one caught me by surprise to.

A harbinger of future tyranny...?

Not if we stop it in its tracks on 4 Nov...

189 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:07:51pm

re: #152 erisldysnomia

A good point...however, many will have completed their terms on return or not long after, no?

Many who return will still be on active duty - just because they come back from Iraq doesn't mean they are out. I'm not sure about the length of time, but I believe they still have a reservist duty...

But if they are retired or completely finished with service, I'd love to see them run for office. Especially that Captain Smith who spoke at the Republican Convention. Her family was called in because she was about to die, but she pulled through. She lost an eye, and I think a leg.

Anybody remember her?

190 jcm  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:08:24pm

re: #180 willowone

Alright . thank you.

It's one of the reasons most vets despise J F'in Kerry. In his testimony before congress he admitted to dereliction of duty. He did not refuse illegal orders, and did not report to his command illegal activities of others his required, sworn duty as an officer.

191 erisldysnomia  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:08:59pm

Ace again:

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

A lot of people want to know why we shouldn't begin "vetting" the media -- and by "vetting," I do in fact mean vetting. I mean starting a fund to put fucking detectives on them and begin outing them, one by one:

In the closet.

Hits his wife.

Fucking her editor.

Stoned out of his mind on coke half the time.

Etc.

And to reduce costs, I'm sure some budding citizen journalists-detectives would be wiling to take a night a week following these bastards around, taking pictures.

The media's position that Joe the Plumber who merely asked a question must be "vetted" out of existence certainly supports the full-blown "vetting" of them.

After all, far more turns on the questions they ask and... refuse to ask, more importantly.

Will we do this?

I've had angry phases where I was within inches of proposing just this. Even starting a corporation with limited liability protections to do so.

It may be time ... However, I have been loathe to even post such a notion in the past. It's too ugly, too vicious.

Not anymore.

This is how we can get our country back.

Treat the MSM as it treats us.

We do not have a free press in this country; we have a 3rd political party that serves the (at present) virtual-dictatorship of the Leftist ideology, and an unelected party at that.

It is the root of our problems, and its reformation is the root to restoring Western culture and values to our country and beyond.

192 Outrider  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:09:32pm

I believe most of the world don't buy off on this nonsense. Just the loud, vocal, obnoxious group...much like here in the USA.

193 notutopia  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:11:19pm

The fact is that the rest of the world is waiting to see what the outcome of this election will be. It will be a silky road for all the socialist countries if Obama is elected right into the hands of New World Order. Removal of nuclear armaments and military, end to free market trade, opened US borders, free ride to immigration, handshaking and tea with the mullahs, Universal Currency, No civilian gun and knife ownership.
If McCain is elected, The rest of the world knows they've been checked on the
Socialist agenda! We'll free ourselves of oil and gas dependency from energy price gouging, and the blackmailing Saudi's and Russia. We'll uphold our commitments to allies and we'll stop this Iranian Scheherazade we're currently playing with the development of nuclear holocaust of the Israels. We'll win in Afghanistan, and put India and Pakistan at each others throats.
We'll pay off our debts to China and bring those repayment jobs back home.
Now, don't they all have reason to dislike us?
They ALL pray for a weaker Obama socialist USA.

194 Ledger1  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:12:00pm

re: #71 opnion

[Iowahawk defends Joe the plumber]:

First, a pre-emptive apology for the intentional non-humor to follow.

Joe the Plumber is different. He was a guy tossing a football with his kid in the front yard of his $125,000 house when a politician picked him out as a prop for a 30 second newsbite for the cable news cameras. Joe simply had the temerity to speak truth (or, if you prefer, an uninformed opinion) to power, for which the politico-media axis apparently determined that he must be humiliated, harassed, smashed, destroyed. The viciousness and glee with which they set about the task ought to concern anyone who still cares about citizen participation, and freedom of speech, and all that old crap they taught in Civics class before politics turned into Narrative Deathrace 3000…

See: I am joe

195 lobo91  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:15:19pm

re: #189 Intrepid

Many who return will still be on active duty - just because they come back from Iraq doesn't mean they are out. I'm not sure about the length of time, but I believe they still have a reservist duty...

But if they are retired or completely finished with service, I'd love to see them run for office.

Nothing prevents Reserve members from running for or holding most state or federal offices.

196 Proud to be an infidel  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:17:52pm

Sometimes I wonder about these so-called polls that ask the world what they think of America(ns). I currently live and work over here in Kuwait (a muslim/arab nation) and I am treated with a great deal of respect over here. Sure, there are Arabs over here who don't like Americans (the Arab upper class are real arrogant bastards) but then again, there are Americans in the United States who don't like Arabs. You will find that sort of thing everywhere you go. But as an American, I am treated much better by the Kuwaitis than they treat the Indians or Sri Lankans or Philipinos or Pakistanis. I am NOT saying that is right as EVERYBODY should be treated with equal respect no matter what culture or country they come from. I'm just saying that we are NOT hated by the world like the left-wing in America claims we are. So I really wonder who exactly runs these polls.

197 welshgirl  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:18:32pm

[Link: radarsite.blogspot.com...]

***This is hopeful.

198 tradewind  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:20:59pm

Well, snap.
That's such a no-brainer. Of course they heart BHO, because everyone knows that the Enemy of my Enemy is my Friend. The Eurotrash and the Splodeydopes see The One for what he is, an American who is not so fond of his (putative) country, and also an American president who will take office safety-wired to the apologetic position.
What's not to love ?

199 Basho  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:27:03pm
...and his Milton Friedman-loving...

Ah yes, the ol' Friedman vs Keynes rivalry. That usually brings out the worst in us...

200 DisgustingOratory  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:28:18pm

re: #164 willowone

That is really spooky. Call me what you will, but when people wonder how a someone could waltz throught the senate and into the Presidency so easily, or who's pulling this puppet's strings, I'm seeing a common thread with New Age cultism and the UN. I'll refrain from going tinfoil.

201 llanite  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:28:55pm

Hmm, does my view piss off more than half of Europe? Guess I'm still on the right track...

202 Ledger1  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:30:19pm

re: #72 nightintheruts

How bout we get a site and start putting all kinds of privacy info about media heads on it? Take a week and humiliate some azzhole like they've done to one man that asked a simple question and made their god-man look bad.- nightintheruts

It’s a little extreme – but given the overwhelming bias and megaphone power of the MSM it may have to be done.

Where do we start?

203 llanite  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:30:54pm

re: #200 DisgustingOratory

...tinfoil? Brass and lead more like!

204 TS  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:31:37pm

It seems they are only sympathetic to America when we are on our knees (as in after 9/11) or when they hope to see us put there by one of our own. (as in Obama)

205 Palmetto Patriot  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:32:03pm

Since the U.S. seems to care sooo much what the world thinks, why don't just give their asses a right to vote?

206 gman  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:33:48pm

Its business as usual in Europe:

There is a Front page article on Jyllands-Posten titled
"Joe is Really Named Samuel"

tomorrow they're running a special extra long Saturday segment on Joe.
...and it's all intended to keep grinding him down to the delight of the European audience.

Not a peep on the original question Joe asked.

207 Steffan  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:34:47pm

re: #82 HelloDare

With Obama's friends and associates, you'd figure there would have been an October surprise by now. The thing is, Ayers would be enough to take down any Republican. A sex tape won't do it. Seriously, what would it take?

Rezko better start singing soon. Can a President be impeached before he's inaugurated? Preemptive impeachment. Swear him in, swear him out.

AFAIK, it would either be transferred to the VP candidate or the runner-up if the presidential candidate was disqualified. I don't know the DP rules on this.

Biden or Hillary. Do you wanna make the choice between gonorrhea and AIDS?

208 capefear  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:39:48pm

re: #26 willowone


Did you see Lugar and Hagel's name in that article? Honestly how can we trust any of them anymore?

209 lobo91  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:41:33pm

re: #207 Steffan

AFAIK, it would either be transferred to the VP candidate or the runner-up if the presidential candidate was disqualified. I don't know the DP rules on this.

Biden or Hillary. Do you wanna make the choice between gonorrhea and AIDS?

If you're talking about before the general election, then Hillary would become the nominee, because she was the runner-up for the nomination.

If a president-elect were to be somehow disqualified or something after the election, I'm not entirely sure it's clear what would happen. You would think the vice-president elect would become president, but I don't think it's that clearcut.

210 Steffan  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:41:55pm

re: #133 arethusa

No good superpower has ever tried to win a popularity contest. The old Soviet Union never cared who liked them, and they were doing OK there for a while. The Chinese don't much care whether folks like them, either, at least until they got the Olympics.

Not only did they not care about who liked them, they wanted everyone to fear them. It worked, too.

The story I heard concerned a Soviet diplomat who was kidnapped in the Middle East. I'm told that the leader of the group who kidnapped him found a box on his front porch. In that box was the dismembered body of his #2. The diplomat was released later that day.

211 Steffan  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:44:59pm

re: #143 SlartyBartfast

Hey, she's a babe. She might be an idiot, but she's a babe. I know a lot of people who would overlook her lack of mental capability.

212 nyc redneck  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:46:37pm

europe is a rotting place. socialism has destroyed the will of the people there.
are they so jealous and vindictive, they want to put that on us?
they should think abt. their vulnerability to hostile regimes.
who the hell do they think is going to bail them out again?

213 freedomplow  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:46:46pm

The vitriol from the U.S. left wing media is carried not only throughout the U.S. but their bias is amplified over seas.

What the left wing media does not tell the world.

The left wing media chooses not to acknowledge that Africa has received more money, compassion, direct help the past eight years than any other time in American history.

The left wing media chooses not to acknowledge that 28 million people in Iraq are now free.

The left wing media chooses not to acknowledge that 25 million people in Afghanistan should and will be free.

The left wing media chooses not to acknowledge that American heroes die not only for the freedom of our country but for the freedom of yours.

The left wing media chooses not to acknowledge that Americans stand on the border of Pakistan and hold back the evil that dwells in Waziristan.

Leftist media has a lock on world news.

Unfortunately dominant leftist U.S. media is accepted and amplified with media controlled by dictators and thugs throughout the world.

214 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:47:04pm
215 wales  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:47:30pm

The world is green with envy towards the US. Always has been. It doesn't matter what we do, they will hate us. At every opportunity they will undermine, mock and critisize us. BUT... they always seem to imitate us at the same time... Just like Katie Couric's - Palin doo rag...
[Link: d.yimg.com...]

216 offsetview  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:51:27pm

They want us to feel their pain. But we refuse to crawl on our bellies.

217 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:52:38pm

re: #162 Steffan

Your post deserves 1,000 updings.

YOu have your finger on the historical truth.

218 Ledger1  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 7:53:33pm

re: #196 Proud to be an infidel

So I really wonder who exactly runs these polls.

Obama’s political hacks?

I would not doubt if Obama’s 300 “advisers” had The Guardian's editors on speed dial.

219 grahamski  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 8:04:11pm

Who give a rats ass what any other country thinks about this election?
They need to worry about their own country because they have not made the best decisions for themselves .. .mind your own business, and get your own house in order!

220 Hellfire  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 8:09:26pm

Really, the rest of the world can kiss my ass in Macy's window.

221 grahamski  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 8:09:49pm

re: #75 katemaclaren

HELP CHARLES!

When I use Safari, I always get kicked out of the browser when I try to refresh LGF or even sometimes when I try to give someone an upding. Now that I'm switching to Firefox, I can't use any of the buttons for style or replies--all grayed out. What's up? I have a 2 year old IMAC in good shape, and it is only LGF where I have problems. This is very frustrating.

I am using Safari right now on a Macbook Pro, and have no problems.

222 Ledger1  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 8:10:54pm

re: #161 Quad Mocha Matti

You mean the wonderful

223 Purple Prose  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 8:12:57pm

The world is a dung hole, and that includes most of Europe. So why should we care?

Obama may care, but as long as the rest of us believe that these spineless defeatists don't matter, Obama will be a one-termer and we can get back to the business of making the world better and not an Islamic/PC hellhole.

224 van helsing  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 8:17:15pm

How's that whole EU un-elected bureaucracy running the show thing working out for them?

225 pepper  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 8:27:50pm

re: #167 joncelli

Nice effort but not exactly correct.

I DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR (OR AFFIRM) THAT I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC; THAT I WILL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE SAME; AND THAT I WILL OBEY THE ORDERS OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE ORDERS OF THE OFFICERS APPOINTED OVER ME, ACCORDING TO REGULATIONS AND THE UNIFORM CODE OF MILITARY JUSTICE. SO HELP ME GOD.

Note the precedence and order upon which the oath or affirmation is stated.
1. Constitution against ALL enemies foreign and domestic.
2. Establishes the Chain of Command, The President and then military.
3. Military Law and Jurisprudence.


First, The military is beholden to the founding principles as stated in a document, the Constitution of the United States. This is important to understand.

Secondly, the oath establishes the chain of command being civilian to military. The implication being the orders from both are legal.

Lastly, it establishes a rule of law separate from the civilan rules of law that prior to the oath did not apply. Military justice and a voluntary and informed diminishing of their personal rights such as double jeopardy, free will, expression, etc. Reinforced within these laws or codes is the ability to challenge or request clarification of directives not consistent with the codes.

Allegiance top down and bottom up is to the principles in a piece of paper, a very significant one, The Constitution of the United States.

Every soldier for there own reason joins the military with the understanding that they join something greater than themselves a principle for which we and the world are a greater place to live.

one citation of the Oath


Every soldier must swear or affirm this before being considered a soldier.

226 Archimedes  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 8:39:14pm

Milton Friedman was brilliant. Talk about smearing a great man.

227 wales  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 8:41:47pm

Obama is committed to lowering our standard of living. He is reading trash like Fareed Zakaria's book A Post American World (see link). He has a dangerous plan for this great country. Zakaria's claims his book is about raising the world's standard to meet the US... but that's a bunch of crap. no country could possible reach our standard without complete chaos within itself and that is because of our founding fathers vision and the Constitution. Generation after generation of making this our way of life and thinking is what makes us who we are. No country could come close to becoming who we are without our rich history taught and instilled in our culture. Obama's lifelong desire is to take us down! Steal our riches, kill our dreams and detroy our way of life. FREAK! Don't let him do this!
[Link: papercuts.blogs.nytimes.com...]

228 Canadian Beaver  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 9:06:20pm

"People around the world are pinning their hopes on Barack Obama in next month’s presidential election"

This alone should cause one to think twice on election day.

229 conservativeChick  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 9:15:27pm

F*ck The World!

230 Marlin925  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 9:17:55pm

To the brainless lot who propose civil war with the lefties, or using the military against them, speaking as a veteran with a CAB I have two things to say:
1.DULCE BELLUM INEXPERTIS
2. The only thing I want to do do CERTAIN elements of the left is mock them to tears by pointing out their own foolishness.

231 Marlin925  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 9:20:53pm

Anyone have the stats on Euros leaving versus islamics moving in & converting the continent to Eurabia?

232 baxtrice  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 9:20:54pm

In other news, water is wet. (My sarcasm meter is on high today.)

233 Spiny Norman  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 9:21:39pm

re: #228 Canadian Beaver

"People around the world are pinning their hopes on Barack Obama in next month’s presidential election"

This alone should cause one to think twice on election day.

Oh, it does. It makes me wonder about the sanity of a majority of those who'll vote for that fraud simply for the sake of "change".

234 K~Bob  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 9:25:46pm

I think these "If the US wants to regain the trust of the rest of the world" articles sound awfully similar to "sex workers" promising "me love you long time" if you're a generous man.

If they want our respect they need to earn it. Same as everyone else.

235 Spiny Norman  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 9:26:42pm

re: #145 erisldysnomia

Hmmm...when Jimmuh Cah-tuh got elected, the Iranians took our embassy hostage.

If BHO gets elected, will they also challenge him/us via blockading the Striaghts of Hormuz or attacking Israel or Iraq?

I would put my money on it.

Oh, I'm sure they'll see a Obama victory as a great big f*cking green light.

236 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Oct 17, 2008 9:49:05pm

re: #1 rawmuse

Raw, while I never agree with you (only all the time) simply...yep.

237 yma o hyd  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 1:21:53am

re: #170 alien_mind

When I go to Europe, I find that the real everyday folks, for the most part think America is great. what you hear represented over here as "world opinion" is the only the opinion of the snobbish European elites.

Not just that - please remember that the European MSM have been writing and broadcasting against President Bush for years, and have been in the tank for B0 to an unprecedented extend as well.
Just like your MSM.

Is it any wonder that people, exposed to this and now polled by one of those LLL MSM, heart B0 and hate America?

Sorry, dead thread and all, but I needed to say this.

238 leereyno  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 3:16:51am

The anger and ill will that weenies in other countries feel towards the US is nothing more than jealousy and resentment, which as anyone will tell you, are the sincerest forms of flattery.

Why should we even give a nanosecond of thought to what those losers think of us? The United States of America is not required to appease its enemies, especially not the emasculated variety. Losers hate us because we are living proof of just how destructive their own bullshit is. We're not perfect of course, but compared to the rest of the world we're paragons of virtue. So those who cannot join us, want to beat us, but can't because the only way to beat us is to become us.

So it isn't surprising that they love the idea of an American president who will drag the country down. All the more reason to vote for someone else, which at this point means voting for McCain, who while not perfect is definitely the lesser of two evils.

239 Wishbone  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 3:20:03am

re: #237 yma o hyd

Have you nominated LGF as the venue for the next Eisteddfod? Lots of Welsh nicks floating around here.

I want to see ID or I'm sticking the lot of them in the 'Blag-Taff' category :)

240 jiminycricket  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 3:21:28am

They should have given the respondents an IQ test before administering the questions. Big mistake, skewed result.

241 Sacred Plants  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 3:38:02am

2004: Kerry Hearts World, Hates Everything Else About America
2008: World Hearts Obama, Hates Everything Else About America

Progress at a rate you can expect.

242 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 4:54:44am

If you hate America, Obama is the best thing for America.

243 soccerdad  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 4:57:16am

Do you realize how delusional some Europeans on the left are? A good buddy of mine just came back from England and Spain. There are a bunch of people, he did not just hear this once, but on numerous occasions, who believe THEY should be allowed to vote in OUR elections. Their reasoning is that everything America does affects them in some way so they should have a say in who is President! I shit you not.

244 Idaho  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 5:14:54am

Soccerdad, I hear liberals in this country saying the same thing. Not only should illegal immigrants and non-citizens be allowed to vote in our elections, they believe, but even non-residents.

245 soccerdad  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 5:22:46am

re: #244 Idaho

Soccerdad, I hear liberals in this country saying the same thing. Not only should illegal immigrants and non-citizens be allowed to vote in our elections, they believe, but even non-residents.

Really? Wow -- I know a few moonbats, but frankly was shocked when my friend told me. Some people HERE think that too? Wow.

246 bolivar  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 5:35:44am

re: #82 HelloDare

With Obama's friends and associates, you'd figure there would have been an October surprise by now. The thing is, Ayers would be enough to take down any Republican. A sex tape won't do it. Seriously, what would it take?

Rezko better start singing soon. Can a President be impeached before he's inaugurated? Preemptive impeachment. Swear him in, swear him out.

They already dropped the October surprise - Fannie and Freddie and it was all of their own making. It hit McCain much harder than obambi and only because the MSM has not told the truth. I am so disgusted with them and don't even listen to their news - not even Fox as they have gone to the dark side in anticipation of the Fairness Doctrine. If they are not too right they must think they won't be hammered.

HA HA HA... you schmucks are only blowing smoke up our butts. It will do you no good - commies are commies and the only way they can consolidate and hold power is to totally control media and ALL communications. To have any vestige of free expression is going to allow people to really tell the truth and that just cannot happen. Lies, disinformation and obfuscation are their tools and they use them masterfully. Obambi and his fellow commies are very good at saying nothing and making it sound profound. We are not fooled by it and it totally pisses them off. Keep up the good work folks, the messiah will fall flat on his buttski and we will be able to laugh about it all.

247 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 5:52:08am

if the eurotrash loves socialists so much, why do they keep moving to the right with the leaders they elect in their own countries?

those peeps are f'd up

248 realwest  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:41:54am

test

249 spacejesus  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:11:28pm

haha, switzerland. switzerland is the most racist country in Europe, Obama would get like 1 percent of the vote if he were running for president there

250 SpartacusDk  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:59:19pm

I like everything about USA, except Obama and expressions like 'eurotrash'!
Calling everybody in Europe 'eurotrash' (#247) is about as intelligent a behaviour as blindly hating everything in USA, except Obama!

251 marccom98  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 1:06:07pm

We are on the crossroads, deciding which is the right path to take. We need to remember that we are a sovereign republic, and we do not take cues from other nations on how and who is best for our country. If we choose socialism, the United States will fall. The barbarians are at the gate, and come November 4th, they may crash through. We all have our duty to become sentinels to the Constitution of the United States. They have to be stopped, for the sake of those who will inherit our nation's future.


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