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Politics | Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 9:19:41 am PDT

The Hawk gets serious: I Am Joe.

I hope you will join me in expressing a simple bit of solidarity with this guy, Spartacus style. I AM JOE. I am a Wal Mart schlub in flyover country who changes my own oil and unclogs drains without a license. I smoke and drink beer and toss the football in the front yard with my kid, and I figure I can fend my way without handouts from some Magic Messiah’s candy bags. Most everyone in my family and most everyone I grew up with is another Joe, and if you screw with them, you screw with me.

Are you a Joe? Say it proud. Leave it on every goddamn newspaper comment section and online forum. Let these pressroom and online thugs know you won’t stay silent when they try to destroy the life of a private citizen for speaking his mind — because for every one of them, there are a million Joe Wurzelbachers. And for that we should all be thankful.

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1 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:20:58am

I am Joe.

2 Spiny Norman  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:21:25am

I AM JOE THE PLUMBER!

3 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:21:35am

I am Joe... And I refuse to be silent and no I wont show you my god damned papers...

4 jaunte  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:22:39am

I am Joe... well, actually JoeBob.

5 vxbush  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:23:02am

I am Joe.

6 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:23:04am

I AM JOE.

7 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:23:27am

I am Joe

8 shanec99  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:24:06am

At least Joe is not looking for a government hand out, like the frauds at ACORN.

9 Dainn  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:24:09am

I'm a Joe. Elitists, watch your asses.

10 mamashawna  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:24:24am

I AM JOE!

11 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:24:27am

I am Joe. I'm American. I'm unashamed that I work hard and love this country. I will not be silent.

12 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:25:04am

I am Ojoe

13 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:25:15am

Rove, you magnificent bastard!

14 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:25:31am

I am Jo(si)e.

And I thought moonbats swore that the Constitution guaranteed the right to privacy?

15 CynicalConservative  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:25:33am

I am most definitely Joe.

16 uncle_monkey  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:25:38am

I am Joe

"Joe I am" Yoda

17 nightlight  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:25:42am

I'm Joe's wife!

18 arethusa  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:26:30am

I'm Joe, my family are Joes, our friends are Joes, and we do business with and buy from Joes...not the MSM.

19 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:26:46am

I am Joe and I approve this message.

20 SpartanWoman  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:26:48am

We Joes need to hang together or the Obots will hang us separately!

21 Spiny Norman  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:26:59am

I AM JOE.

(Printed out and displayed in the back window of my car.)

22 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:27:03am

Yasss, and if I don't work designing buildings, for which I do not make a lot, then the plumbers don't work either.

Everything useful takes work.

Redistribution produces nothing.

Regular Joes know this.

23 sarabeara  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:27:12am

I am Joe-lene

24 uncle_monkey  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:27:47am

And this poor guy wouldn't have this happen if he hadn't walked outside his house, asked a question, and then had the chosen one tell the truth.

25 MohawkDaddy  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:27:54am

Damn! Well said. Seeing as how I just got done removing a sasquatch that had taken up residence in my bathroom sink, I AM JOE!

Take that Lib weenies!

26 WhiteRasta  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:27:54am

Go Joe! Rub their faces in it!

27 nyc redneck  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:28:13am

i am joe-sephine

28 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:28:14am

I am Joe because without millions of other Joes we would be France.

-JammieWearingFool

29 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:28:26am

re: #22 Ojoe

Hell, even Ojoe knows it.

30 summergurl  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:28:38am

Maybe if all of us Joes and Jolenes in flyover country would jump up and down enough we could knock the lefties over the edge...

31 samsgran1948  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:29:09am

You can buy blank bumper stickers for your computer printer at your local office supply store. Print up a few "I Am Joe" bumper stickers for yourself and your five hundred closest friends.

32 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:29:22am

I am Joe !

33 WhiteRasta  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:29:41am

re: #30 summergurl

Too late. The left has been over the edge for years.

34 willowone  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:29:47am

from article;The viciousness and glee with which they set about the task ought to concern anyone who still cares about citizen participation, and freedom of speech, and all that old crap they taught in Civics class before politics turned into Narrative Deathrace 3000, and Web 2.0 turned into Berlin 1932.0.

Godwin's Law! you say? if the jackboot fits, wear it.


exactly

35 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:30:07am

re: #29 Cap'n DOC

Yep, college degree Ojoe knows it.

36 Little Doxie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:30:27am

I AM MRS. JOE, I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!

MCCAIN/PALIN/JOE '08

37 Nightlight  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:30:31am

I AM JOE --- Helping to unclog drains and brains.

38 jcm  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:30:50am

Sam I Am!

39 Killian Bundy  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:30:50am

Hey, Susan Estrich, those half inch "pearls" ain't fooling anyone.

/if you want beads, bare your tits at Mardi Gras

41 jcm  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:31:17am

re: #38 jcm

Sam I Am!

;-P

Hit the wrong button...

42 lawhawk  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:31:23am

I am lawhawk. I hire Joe the Plumber, and many like him to do work on my new home.

I'd like to be able to do more of that, but with Obama's socialist policies, that wont be possible.

43 jOjOEofArcadia  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:31:46am

Joe am I.

44 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:31:58am

re: #39 Killian Bundy

Hey, Susan Estrich, those half inch "pearls" ain't fooling anyone.

/if you want beads, bare your tits at Mardi Gras

OK where is the brain bleach...That idea just plain grossed me out...

45 jcm  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:32:49am

re: #42 lawhawk

I am lawhawk. I hire Joe the Plumber, and many like him to do work on my new home.

I'd like to be able to do more of that, but with Obama's socialist policies, that wont be possible.

If I paid less in taxes, I might be able to afford Joe the Plumber. Instead I do it myself.

46 BBev  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:32:53am

I am Joe

47 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:33:05am

Hate me, blame me. You can't shame me. Come and stand with me Joe. I'm American.

48 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:33:54am

re: #35 Ojoe

And I bet you'll work for food just like I will!

49 Idle Drifter  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:34:44am

I'M JOE THE PLUMBER!

50 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:35:12am

I am Joe the Doctor and i support Joe the Plumber! Btw, how about we pay off his taxes? Maybe we should set up a fundraising site. He only owes $1,200 and the Obamedia are all over him while ignoring Al Franken who owes much more than that. If only 600 of us donate $2 each we can get this off Joe's back.

51 Joan  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:35:55am

re: #47 Sharmuta

Hate me, blame me. You can't shame me. Come and stand with me Joe. I'm American.

Hate me, blame me. You can't shame me. Come and stand with Jo.
I am Jo.

52 SpartanWoman  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:36:06am

re: #50 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican

I am Joe the Doctor and i support Joe the Plumber! Btw, how about we pay off his taxes? Maybe we should set up a fundraising site. He only owes $1,200 and the Obamedia are all over him while ignoring Al Franken who owes much more than that. If only 600 of us donate $2 each we can get this off Joe's back.

Obots don't seem to care about Rangel's tax issues either. Dems are above the law

53 nyc redneck  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:36:11am

re: #34 willowone

from article;The viciousness and glee with which they set about the task ought to concern anyone who still cares about citizen participation, and freedom of speech, and all that old crap they taught in Civics class before politics turned into Narrative Deathrace 3000, and Web 2.0 turned into Berlin 1932.0.

Godwin's Law! you say? if the jackboot fits, wear it.


exactly

they have a lot in common w/ jihadi thugs. how long until their crimes aren't even prosecuted. because those in office agree w/ their them.
look at the s.o.s in ohio assisting acorn.
and the county and city prosecutors in st. louis co. threatening citizens. trying to silence their freedom of speech.
the barbarians are in cahoots w/ the politicians even now.
we have seen this before in history.

54 debutaunt  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:36:17am

I am actually a Joe's mom!

55 SouthAmericanWay  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:36:36am

I am Joe.

56 itellu3times  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:36:47am

Obama, I am Joe worst nightmare.

57 lawhawk  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:36:55am

re: #50 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican

I am Joe the Doctor and i support Joe the Plumber! Btw, how about we pay off his taxes? Maybe we should set up a fundraising site. He only owes $1,200 and the Obamedia are all over him while ignoring Al Franken who owes much more than that. If only 600 of us donate $2 each we can get this off Joe's back.

It might take more than that to help out Gov. David Patterson's (D-NY) chief of staff, who didn't pay taxes for five years in NYS. $200k.

Yeah, I'm sure the media was really done digging around for stuff on politicians that they used their spare time to investigate Joe the Plumber. /

58 J.D.  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:37:03am
...Crunching the numbers, Obama's 28 male staffers were paid a total of $1,523,120 for an average salary of $54,397. Obama's 30 female employees divided $1,354,580 for a female average salary of $45,152. Obama's female staffers, on average, make just 83 cents to the dollar his male staffers make.

McCain's office, by contrast, is a feminist fantasy. McCain's 17 male staffers carve up $916,914 for an average salary of $53,936. His 25 female employees split $1,396,958 for average pay of $55,878. In McCain's office, a woman earns $1.04 for every buck a man makes.

Practice what you preach, Sen. Obama.


Obama Puts His 77 Cents In

59 Tigger2005  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:37:10am

re: #16 uncle_monkey

I am Joe

"Joe I am" Yoda

Sounds more like Dr. Seuss.

60 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:37:37am

re: #56 itellu3times

Obama, I am Joe worst nightmare.

LOL!

61 jcm  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:37:41am

re: #56 itellu3times

Obama, I am Joe worst nightmare.

Joe is Obama's worst nightmare.

62 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:37:48am
Media headlice.

Hell yeah. I AM JOE.

63 jiminycricket  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:38:12am

I am Joe and so is my wife.

64 rawmuse  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:38:27am

GREAT STUFF. WE ARE ALL JOE!

65 uncle_monkey  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:38:29am

What really pisses me off is clowns like Biden saying "how many plumbers do you know that make $250k a year?" Well, Biden (not Joe), a lot out here in CA. One of my Nephews makes 6 figures laying A/C ducting. Plus, we're talking about a BUSINESS, not an individual in Joe's case.

He wants to buy a business. This is not a fantasy. He has to hire people, something completely foreign to these senators. He has somebody to answer the phone, keep the books, write checks, and then a van or two, and then maybe one or two other people to help plumb. So, when he starts to get more than $250k, he needs to worry about this!

Hell, right now we're wondering how to handle this magic cut-off point. So, if we make $240k we're okay, but if we make $251k we're worse off than if we made $24k? WTF is up with that? Where on EARTH is any incentive to produce and hire people?!?

We're actually looking at setting our income so we don't make "X" amount as to be penalized. Talk about Bizarro world.

66 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:39:00am

I might rename my cat, dog and hamster "Joe".

67 livefreeor die  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:39:04am

I am Joe-sephine the wife, mother, current incubator, and part-time worker. I will be damned if I will watch the liberal baby boomers and their elitist ilk continue to tear down America.

68 jorline  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:39:24am

Damn straight...I am Joe!

69 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:40:06am

re: #65 uncle_monkey

What really pisses me off is clowns like Biden saying "how many plumbers do you know that make $250k a year?"

What was it that The ONE said yesterday, basically making fun of Joe? That was the one that really pissed me off.

70 J.D.  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:40:09am

Obamarx

71 itellu3times  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:40:36am

McCain might not defeat Obama, but Joe might.

Go, Joe!

/future ambassador to Home Depotistan

72 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:40:42am

I am the proud daughter of Joe.

73 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:40:47am

re: #48 Cap'n DOC

If Joe does not work, Joe does not eat.

74 joekowalski247  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:40:56am

I knew I should have trademarked my name last week, oh well 'I AM JOE' and so are you..

75 Killian Bundy  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:41:22am

re: #66 MandyManners

I might rename my cat, dog and hamster "Joe".

The dog and cat will be confused.

/the hamster is a rodent

76 livefreeor die  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:41:30am

re: #66 MandyManners

I might rename my cat, dog and hamster "Joe".


Joseph has been kicked around as a name for the baby by my sons and I (it's Biblical and honors Joe Gibbs and the Redskins tradition in our family). My husband wasn't into it but we are definitely revisiting that discussion once he and the boys get back from a weekend Scout camping trip.

77 capitalist piglet  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:41:32am

Whose logo is that? Great job! Is it available on a t-shirt? Could it be?

I am Jo the Singer.

78 uncle_monkey  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:42:11am

re: #69 Fat Jolly Penguin

What was it that The ONE said yesterday, basically making fun of Joe? That was the one that really pissed me off.

This is what is really making me sick. I've seen blog sites calling him an asshole.

The only whiff of ass I'm getting is from the left. If Biden ever had a real job in his long, pathetic life he might have a clue, but that'll never happen.

79 lawhawk  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:42:22am

Is it me, or did John McCain just use the S word regarding Obama's policies?

I believe he did. And he's right. But leave it to the media to get how taxes work to try and claim that McCain's health insurance makeover is socialism:

Republican presidential candidate John McCain on Saturday accused Democratic rival Barack Obama of favoring a socialistic economic approach by supporting tax cuts and tax credits McCain says would merely shuffle wealth rather than creating it.

"At least in Europe, the Socialist leaders who so admire my opponent are upfront about their objectives," McCain said in a radio address. "They use real numbers and honest language. And we should demand equal candor from Sen. Obama. Raising taxes on some in order to give checks to others is not a tax cut; it's just another government giveaway."

McCain, though, has a health care plan girded with a similar philosophy. He proposes providing individuals with a $5,000 tax credit to buy health insurance. He would pay for his plan, in part, by considering as taxable income the money their employer spends on their health coverage.

80 Racer X  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:42:43am

I get the impression the "Joe the plumber" thing has legs.

81 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:42:44am

re: #75 Killian Bundy

The dog and cat will be confused.

/the hamster is a rodent

The dog and cat usually answer only to food so I'm covered.

82 willowone  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:42:55am

re: #53 nyc redneck

"this is the first time in my life" channeling Michelle.

That i am afraid of a Political Partys win.

83 quickjustice  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:43:03am

I'm not Joe, but on the other hand, the world needs a lot more great plumbers who aspire to making more than $250,000 per year in their small businesses, and aren't going to get kneecapped by their own government if they're successful! ;-)

84 Tigger2005  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:43:39am

re: #25 MohawkDaddy

Damn! Well said. Seeing as how I just got done removing a sasquatch that had taken up residence in my bathroom sink, I AM JOE!

Take that Lib weenies!

That wasn't a Sasquatch, it was a Wookie!

85 livefreeor die  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:43:41am

re: #78 uncle_monkey

This is what is really making me sick. I've seen blog sites calling him an asshole.

The only whiff of ass I'm getting is from the left. If Biden ever had a real job in his long, pathetic life he might have a clue, but that'll never happen.

You can just tell by Biden's statements that he has no real respect for working people but just sees them as rubes he can trick into voting for him. $250K for running a small business does not go far.

86 notutopia  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:44:33am

I am Josephine and A PROUD AMERICAN and I'm ANGRY at what this ILLUSIONIST is proposing and I'm NOT GOING TO STAND FOR ANY OBAMA AND HIS SOCIALIST AGENDA!

87 J.D.  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:44:37am

Mark Steyn: Plumber Joe didn't go with the flow

88 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:44:53am

I am the proud son of many Joe's

J ust
O rdinary
E migrants

89 lawhawk  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:45:09am

re: #45 jcm

I do much of my own work on the house, but there are things that are above my pay grade (including HVAC and roofing). I leave that to Joe the Pro™.

90 Racer X  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:45:10am

Obama is going down - Joe the plumber is gonna flush him like a turd.

91 willowone  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:45:11am

re: #86 notutopia

That's the spirit, I needed that!

92 willowone  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:45:34am

re: #88 sattv4u2

that was lovely.

93 rawmuse  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:45:46am

re: #85 livefreeor die

Ditto Alec Baldwin calling Hannity a "construction worker" as if it were an insult or something.

In my time I have done all manner of blue collar work, driven trucks, forklifts, assembly line.
I never felt like it made me anything but a better man.

94 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:46:00am

re: #92 willowone

that was lovely.

thank you

95 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:46:04am

re: #76 livefreeor die

Joseph has been kicked around as a name for the baby by my sons and I (it's Biblical and honors Joe Gibbs and the Redskins tradition in our family). My husband wasn't into it but we are definitely revisiting that discussion once he and the boys get back from a weekend Scout camping trip.

[Link: www.wbir.com...]

96 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:46:21am

re: #80 Racer X

I get the impression the "Joe the plumber" thing has legs.

That Joe the Plumber thing is bigger than the Swiftboat Veterans!

97 joekowalski247  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:46:33am

re: #32 Ojoe

I am Joe !

I Installed a sprinkler system in the front yard of my well-earned house this summer

98 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:46:54am

re: #80 Racer X

I get the impression the "Joe the plumber" thing has legs.

re: #96 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican

That Joe the Plumber thing is bigger than the Swiftboat Veterans!

Could rival Bob The Builder

99 Joan  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:47:04am

"Obama! Shave a point off of every 4-point you earned at Hahrvard, redistribute it to some Poor Schmuck just scraping by with a 2.5. You don't need to have freaking Cum Laude status. Selfish prig. Give it up, so Poor Schmuck can be equal, you would both end up with nice solid B- right where the proles all need to be. Share the Wealth, smart guy."

100 uncle_monkey  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:47:12am

re: #85 livefreeor die

You can just tell by Biden's statements that he has no real respect for working people but just sees them as rubes he can trick into voting for him. $250K for running a small business does not go far.

And as usual, they turn it into his individual earnings - gotta keep pushing that class envy thing. No, after even just 2 or 3 other people, along with inventory and expenses, that's not a lot of dough. And once again, just where is that magic cut-off point and what's the penalty?

101 Serge A. Storms  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:47:25am

I love it!

I've got a 12 yo daughter that wants to be Obama for Halloween.

When she knocks on the door instead of saying "trick or Treat" she's gonna yell "SHARE THE WEALTH" and empty their bowl into her bag and tell them that SHE will "decide who gets the candy, and how much candy they get!"

My 12 year old Daughter is Joe!

I am Joe too.

102 livefreeor die  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:48:03am

re: #95 MandyManners

[Link: www.wbir.com...]

That's great! Some friends of mine and I were kicking around some in-your-face names for a boy like Reagan, Palin, Christian. Of course, the kid would only get Ds all through his school career courtesy of our local Marxist teachers' union.

103 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:48:08am

re: #101 Serge A. Storms

I love it!

I've got a 12 yo daughter that wants to be Obama for Halloween.

When she knocks on the door instead of saying "trick or Treat" she's gonna yell "SHARE THE WEALTH" and empty their bowl into her bag and tell them that SHE will "decide who gets the candy, and how much candy they get!"
My 12 year old Daughter is Joe!

I am Joe too.

ROFLMAO!

104 rawmuse  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:48:18am

re: #101 Serge A. Storms

Your daughter is a GENIUS! what a great idea.

105 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:48:35am

re: #93 rawmuse

Hey Alec Baldwin:

It takes A LOT of intelligence AND ENERGY to do construction well.

Construction workers who are good at what they do ARE REALLY SMART.

They are worthy of GREAT RESPECT and they well earn EVERY PENNY.

—Ojoe, architect.

sorry for the caps but I'm steamed.

106 notutopia  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:48:46am

re: #101 Serge A. Storms

OH I LUV IT!

107 jcm  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:48:53am

re: #90 Racer X

Obama is going down - Joe the plumber is gonna flush him like a turd.

I as make more, and have less time, I hire out more. I've got the means to buy newer cars so I don't spend time keeping clunkers running.

Economics!

108 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:49:11am

NOTICE TO THE MSM AND ELITISTS-

This country was built by Joes.
This country runs because of Joes.
This country is filled with Joes.
We are not ashamed to be Joes.
We are proud Joes.

We will not stand by and allow you to shame Joe and us by extension.

LONG LIVE JOES!

109 jcm  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:49:48am

New video of the Obama and Joe the Plumber...
What it was really like for Obama.

110 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:49:58am

re: #101 Serge A. Storms

Ha!

111 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:50:07am

re: #101 Serge A. Storms

I love it!

I've got a 12 yo daughter that wants to be Obama for Halloween.

When she knocks on the door instead of saying "trick or Treat" she's gonna yell "SHARE THE WEALTH" and empty their bowl into her bag and tell them that SHE will "decide who gets the candy, and how much candy they get!"

My 12 year old Daughter is Joe!

I am Joe too.

You know what else? The "wealth sharers" also tend to keep a "wee" percentage of the wealth for their trouble, so your daughter might also keep a handful of those candies to be exactly like Obama.

112 ROP?LOL  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:50:37am

I am, have always been, and will always be Joe.
And fucking proud of it.

113 notutopia  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:50:49am

re: #67 livefreeor die

What are you incubating?

114 J.D.  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:50:57am

re: #101 Serge A. Storms

I love it!

I've got a 12 yo daughter that wants to be Obama for Halloween.

When she knocks on the door instead of saying "trick or Treat" she's gonna yell "SHARE THE WEALTH" and empty their bowl into her bag and tell them that SHE will "decide who gets the candy, and how much candy they get!"

My 12 year old Daughter is Joe!

I am Joe too.

Bless her heart...
Costume of the year! LOL!

115 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:51:16am

I am Joe. Heck, I even have a wrench in my nic.

/and I envy Stinky's avatar.

116 livefreeor die  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:51:29am

re: #113 notutopia

What are you incubating?

Baby boy, due in January.

117 willowone  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:52:10am

where are the Average Joe Unions? standing up for Average Joe Plumber? ::crickets::

118 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:52:53am

re: #101 Serge A. Storms

That is fucking AWESOME!

119 notutopia  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:53:05am

re: #116 livefreeor die

Congrats! To your whole Family!

120 swampfoxx  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:53:12am

... therefore, as a free man, I take pride in the words 'Ich bin ein Joe.' [just a little paraphrasing]

121 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:53:28am

"I am Joe." - Oh no...Sand People!

122 jcm  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:53:34am

re: #116 livefreeor die

Baby boy, due in January.

It's taxable!
/The One

123 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:53:58am

re: #24 uncle_monkey

And this poor guy wouldn't have this happen if he hadn't walked outside his house, asked a question, and then had the chosen one tell the truth.

Actually, you're not quite correct about how it happened. Joe was already in his yard playing football with his kid, and Nobama walked up to Joe. Joe did not initiate the conversation. Obama did. that waas what opened the Joe The Plumber™ floodgate.

124 itellu3times  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:54:01am

Who came along in a puff of smoke

[ALL]
Plumber Joe From Toledo, Oh.

[GLORIA]
Strong as the heart of a mighty Oak

[ALL]
Plumber Joe From Toledo, Oh.

[GLORIA]
Thinks socialism is just a joke.

[ALL]
Plumber Joe From Toledo, Oh.
Lucky are we to be having him

[GLORIA]
Plumber Joe From Toledo, Oh.

[ALL]
Just when the future was lookin' grim

[GLORIA]
Plumber Joe From Toledo, Oh.

[ALL]
Came a long long way to be
With us today

[GLORIA]
With arms of steel like Hercules

[BOYS]
Yeow!

[GLORIA]
Feet as fleet as Mercury's

[BOYS]
Yeah!

[GLORIA]
He'll fight
For us, do right for us

[ALL]
He'll be a beacon light for us
He's Plumber Joe From Toledo, Oh.
Go, go, go, go, go, go

[GLORIA]
Go like a bat out-a you know where

[ALL]
Plumber Joe From Toledo, Oh.

Strike at the foe, let 'em know you're there

[ALL]
Plumber Joe From Toledo, Oh.
Plumber Joe From Toledo, Oh.
Plumber Joe From Toledo, Oh.

[GLORIA]
Came upon the scene

[ALL]
As fresh as Listerine

[GLORIA]
He sneezed and blew away a calf
His laughter ripped a barn in half

[ALL]
Go, go, go, go, Joe

[GLORIA]
Like sevens come, elevens come

[ALL]
Like manna from the heavens come!
Plumber Joe From Toledo, Oh.
Go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go,
Go like a bat out-a you know where

[GLORIA]
Plumber Joe From Toledo, Oh.
Strike at the foe
Let 'em know you're there

[ALL]
Plumber Joe From Toledo, Oh.
Look out, look out, look out, look out for Plumber Joe

[JOE]
The working schmoe
From Toledo, Oh!

[BOYS]
Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe!

/from the broadway play, "Damn Obamatons"

125 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:54:05am

Oh dear god... I just realized that in all my years past as a nearly practically almost famous Rock Star... I was never licensed to play guitar, sing or be a nearly practically almost famous Rock Star... (well that is as long as you dont count my ASCAP publishing license, which is er... for publishing not playing guitar or singing...)

126 Osama Bin Porkchop  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:54:24am

I proudly come from a long line of "Joes" - so anyone who insults them and others like them will surely garner my wrath, and the wrath of those who love their "Joes".

127 livefreeor die  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:54:26am

re: #122 jcm

It's taxable!
/The One

If Barry wins, I'll probably have to pay a tax for having a little conservative.

128 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:55:18am

re: #101 Serge A. Storms

I love it!

I've got a 12 yo daughter that wants to be Obama for Halloween.

When she knocks on the door instead of saying "trick or Treat" she's gonna yell "SHARE THE WEALTH" and empty their bowl into her bag and tell them that SHE will "decide who gets the candy, and how much candy they get!"

My 12 year old Daughter is Joe!

I am Joe too.

That is just brilliant!

I have hope for my children knowing your child is around also.

129 x-wing  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:55:18am

I Am Joe...you got a fucking problem with that?

130 Macker  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:55:41am

I am Joe.

Kinda like Spartacus, don't you agree!

131 jcm  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:55:55am

re: #127 livefreeor die

If Barry wins, I'll probably have to pay a tax for having a little conservative.

Just send him to mandatory government schools run by Ayers starting at age 2.

132 jcm  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:56:14am

re: #130 Macker

I am Joe.

Kinda like Spartacus, don't you agree!

That ended rather badly...

133 DistantThunder  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:56:18am

Lizards and Obama Supporters:


A new report examines Obama's use of Neurolinguistic programming and hypnosis techniques in his speeches. This report takes you through speech by speech to reveal the actual phrases and techniques he is using to by-pass the logical rational minds of his followers.

If I hadn't just read some of the original research, (as I am finishing my degree in counseling), on these mass hypnosis techniques and how they were employed by the soviets, I would have been skeptical. But this report lays it out step, by step.

134 notutopia  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:56:20am

re: #123 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Refer to all the many thousands of previous posts that walked in slo mo through who did what when and how step by step... please let's not go there again.

135 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:56:33am

re: #127 livefreeor die

If Barry wins, I'll probably have to pay a tax for having a little conservative.

No, you'll have to go to a re-education camp and the little conservative will become the property of the state until it is properly indoctrinated into Marxism/socialism...

136 esch  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:56:42am

re: #101 Serge A. Storms

Awesome. Me and the wife are both LMAO

137 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:57:05am

re: #105 Ojoe

Yup. And I remember calling Billy Ayers an architect, and getting called for it. To me, you're more an artist than anything. But that's just me.

138 Killian Bundy  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:57:21am

Kimberly

/from the album that was a seminal turning point in music history

139 jemima  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:57:51am

My grandfather was a Joe. When he came to America, he couldn't speak English and he wasn't looking for any handouts. I wasn't raised to be a beggar. I am Joe. I'm a writer. Pen. Sword.

140 livefreeor die  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:57:54am

re: #131 jcm

Just send him to mandatory government schools run by Ayers starting at age 2.

If Ayers came within a state of any of my children, [self deleted].

141 Son of the Black Dog  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:58:07am

re: #79 lawhawk

Is it me, or did John McCain just use the S word regarding Obama's policies?

I believe he did. And he's right. But leave it to the media to get how taxes work to try and claim that McCain's health insurance makeover is socialism:

I think McCain was talking about BHO's (un)earned tax credit, which is flat out income redistribution, being paid to people who have no income.

142 notutopia  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:58:11am

re: #127 livefreeor die

That's pretty much what he's proposing in his tax plan is it not!

143 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:58:19am

Interesting that it's a plumber that saves the princess from Donkey Kong.

Sometimes life imitates video games.

144 Macker  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:58:26am

re: #132 jcm

That ended rather badly...

They died as FREE MEN AND WOMEN! Even though they were recaptured by the Romans and crucified for it, their hearts and minds WERE FREE!

145 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:58:44am

re: #140 livefreeor die

[deleted, too]

146 quickjustice  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:58:56am

B/T/W, there is a national "Bob Club" that throws an annual convention for everyone named "Bob", but no "Joe Club" that I'm aware of:

[Link: thebobclub.com...]

At their annual convention everyone wears a name tag that says:"Hello. My name is Bob".

147 vxbush  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:59:18am

re: #133 DistantThunder

Lizards and Obama Supporters:


A new report examines Obama's use of Neurolinguistic programming and hypnosis techniques in his speeches. This report takes you through speech by speech to reveal the actual phrases and techniques he is using to by-pass the logical rational minds of his followers.

If I hadn't just read some of the original research, (as I am finishing my degree in counseling), on these mass hypnosis techniques and how they were employed by the soviets, I would have been skeptical. But this report lays it out step, by step.

Can you email this to Charles and add your take on it, since you are a better expert closer to the field than I am? You could lend some support to this and perhaps draw out some highlights for those who can't read the whole thing.

148 nyc redneck  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:59:33am

obama's use of the "share the wealth" slogan is laughable, really.
it is such a bogus hippie dippy stupid hackneyed term.
all the bums on the corner w/ out stretched cups in their hands used to really like it. i bet they get rid of "got any spare change." and go back to "share the wealth, man."
it is an unbecoming phrase for a candidate running for potus.
obama was so stupid to use it. he is really a fool. (commie fool)

149 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:59:38am

For those thinking they're actually going to get a tax cut from The One™, here's Obama's IRS Theme Song

150 rawmuse  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:59:44am

re: #125 doriangrey

You got a Union Card pal? Well, nice PLACE ya got here... It would be a SHAME, ya know, for something to HAPPEN to it...

151 uncle_monkey  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:59:45am

re: #123 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Actually, you're not quite correct about how it happened. Joe was already in his yard playing football with his kid, and Nobama walked up to Joe. Joe did not initiate the conversation. Obama did. that waas what opened the Joe The Plumber™ floodgate.

I hadn't heard Obama walked up to him. That'll teach Joe to stand on his own property. Then what better reason for the Government to take it away? If he hadn't owned property, then the chosen one wouldn't have embarrassed himself. Who does he think he is?

Do I need a sarc tag?

152 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:00:40am

re: #133 DistantThunder

67 pages?... Well, guess I'll dive in and start reading.

/Straps tinfoil hat to head...*jump*

153 opinionated  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:00:47am

I'm not Joe.

I don't identify with Joe's work and lifestyle. Mine is different.

It's more in sync with some of Obama's most fervent supporters. More book learned, more educated then Joe. Not that educated always means smart as some prove by who they are supporting.

But I need the Joes of America in my life or my car wouldn't run well and the toilet if needed wouldn't be repaired, and there would be no one to protect and defend me and my family.

If the Joes gets paid for doing good hard work, the government shouldn't penalize and take away their income to share it with people who don't work as hard as Joe, or at all.

I support Joe 100% because at the end of the day, Joe, or any other productive American, will suffer under what Obama plans for us all. And that is something the more educated Obama supporters- those who look down on Joe- seem unable to grasp.

154 livefreeor die  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:02:07am

The whole "share the wealth" mantra highlights the complete moronic mindset of the liberal left: "We give people free money and there will be light and music and bunnies and unicorns." If they truly wanted to help people, there would be programs that emphasized developing personal responsibility within a set time period.

155 sandspur  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:03:06am

I AM JOE-etta

For 22 years, a home-based childcare provider. Teaching the little ones to walk, talk, love America, say the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag, and grace at meals. Then sending them off to school hoping and praying some of it sticks in spite of the leftist brainwashing they'll have to endure.

156 Jefiner  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:03:32am

We printed out the banner, went down to the copy shop and got a couple hundred copies, and we are posting them (legally) all over town. So are our friends.

I'm Joe, too.

157 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:03:38am

re: #153 opinionated

Excellent post. Dinged you up.

158 SpartanWoman  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:03:38am

re: #127 livefreeor die

If Barry wins, I'll probably have to pay a tax for having a little conservative.

And then he'll grow up and be set to socialist schools...and be told to turn you in

159 jcm  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:03:41am

re: #144 Macker

They died as FREE MEN AND WOMEN! Even though they were recaptured by the Romans and crucified for it, their hearts and minds WERE FREE!

True, just saying it's better to win also.

160 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:04:14am

re: #150 rawmuse

You got a Union Card pal? Well, nice PLACE ya got here... It would be a SHAME, ya know, for something to HAPPEN to it...

Yikes...But... but... er... ummm... My roadie has a Union.. er... ummm Local 33 card... ;)

161 livefreeor die  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:04:17am

re: #155 sandspur

I AM JOE-etta

For 22 years, a home-based childcare provider. Teaching the little ones to walk, talk, love America, say the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag, and grace at meals. Then sending them off to school hoping and praying some of it sticks in spite of the leftist brainwashing they'll have to endure.

God bless you! You wouldn't happen to be located in southeastern PA would you?

162 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:04:24am

I unfortunately have a professional license, a post-graduate degree, and have always paid my taxes. But I still desperately cling to my guns and religion not vague promises of hope and change.

163 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:04:25am

re: #133 DistantThunder

Lizards and Obama Supporters:


A new report examines Obama's use of Neurolinguistic programming and hypnosis techniques in his speeches. This report takes you through speech by speech to reveal the actual phrases and techniques he is using to by-pass the logical rational minds of his followers.

If I hadn't just read some of the original research, (as I am finishing my degree in counseling), on these mass hypnosis techniques and how they were employed by the soviets, I would have been skeptical. But this report lays it out step, by step.

What in the world?

164 anotherindyfilmguy  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:04:30am

IMO the audience for SNL should start chanting "I am Joe" if the cast strt any skit mocking the guy who is being hounded mercilessly for asking a question that a candidate could not answer... especially when the candidate randomly came to his house... if anyone should be mocked for the way this has gone it is the O' and the media in the tank doing his dirty work for him and the assholes who are suddenly finding that he needs to have a tax lien (and God knows what else will be done to him before or after the election by the NAZI's* on the left) etc...

*and yes the NAZI's were leftists. They were xenophobic Socialists as opposed to Communists who are international socialists...

165 summergurl  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:04:34am

My husband and I worked hard for what we have, never asked for a hand out. By today's standards we are doing well. Look behind the "now" and you will see us working and doing whatever it takes to "make it". Him selling plasma when things got tight, working and going to school at night and cleaning a daycare after classes. Me working and on weekends sticking kids in a Radio Flyer going door to door selling Avon. Kids working while in high school if they wanted a car much less gas for it and insurance. One son every Saturday morning would get up and mow our lawn then go around the neighborhood with the lawnmower making money mowing neighbor's lawns coming home when it was dark. Daughters making flyers advertising babysitting services. We are like millions of other Joe's in this country, we are America.

166 J.D.  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:04:38am

ScrappleFace Editorial Board Endorses Barack Obama

Rarely has one man so captivated a nation with his readiness to prepare to serve.

That’s why the editorial board at ScrappleFace, on behalf of the vast editorial staff, today endorses Barack Obama for the office of junior senator from Illinois.

Although the prospect of an Obama presidency, from a satirical perspective, represents a hopeful future of full employment, the editors of ScrappleFace cannot let their own needs stand in the way of the needs of the Senate, or indeed, of the people of the world.

Barack Obama’s temperament makes him ideally suited to an institution that President George Washington reportedly once called ‘the cooling saucer’ of the Republic. Evidence of Mr. Obama’s suitability for this role is manifold…

According to friends (who he calls ‘Obam-associates’) , Barack Obama is so cool…

* The only reason he doesn’t smoke very often is that the flame on his cigarette keeps going out.
* Once, during a conference committee meeting, Rep. Barney Frank borrowed Sen. Obama’s pen, and immediately got his tongue stuck to its frosty surface. Even then, Sen. Obama was so cool, he just reached over and snapped the pen from Rep. Frank’s mouth, leaving the grateful Congressman with no lasting effect but a barely-noticeable speech impediment.
* At a recent concert and political rally, when Bruce Springsteen got ‘The Fever’, he skipped the Tylenol, because his friend Barack was there. When The Boss sang ‘I’m on Fire’, Sen. Obama extinguished him.
* When his wife Michelle, his former pastor Jeremiah Wright, or a guy in his neighborhood named Bill Ayers, occasionally let loose with fiery outbursts of anger, just being near Barack Obama allows them to ‘chill’ like a typical white grandmother, shivering because she just saw a black man.
* Despite his elite education in private schools and substantial wealth acquired through individual initiative, he calmly tells fellow African-Americans that their only hope lies in dependence upon union bosses and government social programs.
* When pondering the fate of an aborted infant, accidentally born alive, he can dispassionately discourse on whether the mother’s right to privacy, under the Roe v. Wade amendment to the Constitution, should continue until the baby’s first, or second, bounce on the delivery room floor.
...


There's more.

167 kynna  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:05:12am

I am not as Joe as I'd like to be and as I should be but I am the sister, daughter, wife of Joes.

So I guess my motto is:

Aspiring to be Joe!

168 yma o hyd  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:05:38am

Can I be a Joe, too, even though I'm not American? Please?

(There's no proper Welsh translation for 'Joe', sorree ...)

169 legalpad  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:05:40am

re: #36 Little Doxie

MCCAIN/PALIN/JOE '08

Good one!

170 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:05:46am

re: #152 Oh no...Sand People!

It's a pdf. I saved it locally so I can read and participate at the same time.

171 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:06:10am

re: #165 summergurl

I have tracks on my arms from selling plasma in hard times...

172 Killian Bundy  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:06:19am

Gloria

/and then there's Land

173 rancher  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:06:27am

I am Joe the Plummer. I work for $7 an hour as a front desk clerk/maintenance man. I have $1600 $1300 (thanks Dems) in a mutual fund. That mutual fund's capital gains will be taxed under Obama before I even see the money, but I'm not stupid despite what little I make, I know I'm being taxed.

174 odinga  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:06:28am

While Obama was chiding the audience about all the Poor People and his socialist ideals Michelle Obama was stuffing her face with Lobster, Champagne and Caviar AT THE WALDORF-ASTORIA to the tune of $447.39

See Receipt
You will have to scroll down

175 Canadian Beaver  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:06:33am

re: #87 J.D.

Mark Steyn: Plumber Joe didn't go with the flow

"He's still willing to talk to Ahmadinejad without preconditions. But never again will he talk to Joe the Plumber without preconditions."

Haha, I love Mr. Steyn.

176 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:06:36am

re: #166 J.D.

ScrappleFace Editorial Board Endorses Barack Obama

There's more.

I'll pass...

177 Syrah  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:06:49am

Obama is . . .

178 capitalist piglet  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:07:21am

re: #133 DistantThunder

Lizards and Obama Supporters:


A new report examines Obama's use of Neurolinguistic programming and hypnosis techniques in his speeches. This report takes you through speech by speech to reveal the actual phrases and techniques he is using to by-pass the logical rational minds of his followers.

If I hadn't just read some of the original research, (as I am finishing my degree in counseling), on these mass hypnosis techniques and how they were employed by the soviets, I would have been skeptical. But this report lays it out step, by step.

That would certainly explain a lot.

179 J.D.  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:07:33am

re: #168 yma o hyd

I dub thee Joe.

180 Racer X  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:07:46am

Can't wait for Saturday Night Live to diss Joe the plumber tonight.

181 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:07:46am

re: #166 J.D.

Choice!

182 odinga  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:08:00am

I forgot to mention that it was IRANIAN Caviar.

She was one nasty looking person. Yuck!

183 DistantThunder  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:08:08am

re: #147 vxbush

Can you email this to Charles and add your take on it, since you are a better expert closer to the field than I am? You could lend some support to this and perhaps draw out some highlights for those who can't read the whole thing.

I clicked recommend on my own posting. I'll try and go through but for some reason it won't cut and paste to here. I'll try again.

184 kynna  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:08:32am

re: #168 yma o hyd

Can I be a Joe, too, even though I'm not American? Please?

(There's no proper Welsh translation for 'Joe', sorree ...)

There are Joes all over the world who have suffered under socialism. It's not US-centric, IMO. Of course you can be a Joe. Anyone who wants a better life and wants not to be punished for succeeding is a Joe, I think.

I'd love for the 'I Am Joe' movement to take over the world.

185 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:08:47am

re: #174 odinga

While Obama was chiding the audience about all the Poor People and his socialist ideals Michelle Obama was stuffing her face with Lobster, Champagne and Caviar AT THE WALDORF-ASTORIA to the tune of $447.39

See Receipt
You will have to scroll down

The ONE had Iranian caviar without preconditions?!

/

186 quickjustice  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:09:02am

re: #146 quickjustice

Correction: This particular "Bob Club" apparently has no yet had its annual convention, but there was a front page story about the national Bob Club convention in the WSJ several years ago. I haven't found the link yet.

187 livefreeor die  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:09:10am

re: #174 odinga

While Obama was chiding the audience about all the Poor People and his socialist ideals Michelle Obama was stuffing her face with Lobster, Champagne and Caviar AT THE WALDORF-ASTORIA to the tune of $447.39

See Receipt
You will have to scroll down

If, God forbid, Barry wins, watching his wife's "Do as I say, not as I do" ripping off of the American taxpayer to live high on the hog will at least provide some comic relief. I can't even imagine how much of my money will go into redoing the White House.

And watch what happens when she tries to force her way into Washington society.

188 jetprop  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:09:12am

I am Joe

189 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:09:53am

re: #184 kynna

There are Joes all over the world who have suffered under socialism. It's not US-centric, IMO. Of course you can be a Joe. Anyone who wants a better life and wants not to be punished for succeeding is a Joe, I think.

I'd love for the 'I Am Joe' movement to take over the world.

Joes of the world, Unite!

190 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:10:04am

re: #174 odinga

I was wondering myself if by "spreading the wealth" she took that to mean she could move the caviar onto a cracker with her SilverSpoon.

191 rightymouse  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:10:06am

I wasn't born in America but I love this country. I'm proud to be a citizen of the greatest country on earth - America - the home of the free and the home of the brave. Socialists and communists can kiss my arse. In this way, I am Joe.

192 JHW  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:10:13am

re: #168 yma o hyd

Would this work for Wales? "I am Jo(n)e(s).

193 Shug  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:11:06am

Liberals have no problem identifying with Palestinian homicide bombers regurgitating their We are all Palestinians crapola.

but for some reason they can't seem to identify with the Joes of the world

very telling

194 heidi586  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:11:09am

My husband is Joe, the union un-state-certified electrician, I am Joe-saphine, and we have a Joe Jr., who can't wait to vote in his first election. We are typical white, average Joe, American's - who work hard - not for the government and not for our 'wealth' to be "spread around", but for ourselves. Clinging to our guns (literally, since the Joe's are out doe hunting this weekend) and our religion...clinging...since the libs and ACLU would have no problem eliminating both from us. At this point - Libs watch out, because we are going to be LOUD and proud...standing up and for our fellow Joe!

195 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:11:26am

re: #168 yma o hyd

Can I be a Joe, too, even though I'm not American? Please?

(There's no proper Welsh translation for 'Joe', sorree ...)

"Joe-ness" knows no national boundary.

YOU ARE JOE!

196 Knitwit  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:11:33am

We are a family of Joes.

197 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:11:50am

re: #192 JHW

As long as yuz doesn't Wales on Joes...

198 redmonkey  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:12:07am

Just post it on one election forum, 70% democratic. I hope I will get all of them mad.

199 JHW  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:12:29am

re: #197 Cap'n DOC

:)

200 yma o hyd  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:13:12am

re: #179 J.D.

I dub thee Joe.

Thanks!

Its the principle, and people who look down their noses on Joe the Plumber, Builder, Car Mechanic, Electrician ..., also looks down their noses on Joe the Policeman and Joe the Soldier.
And they look down their noses on Joe's wife, daughter, son, his mother and granny ...

I loathe people who look down their noses!

201 smokefire  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:13:13am

The Modern Little Red Hen

The Little Red Hen called all of her Democrat neighbors together and said, ‘If we plant this wheat, we shall have bread to eat. Who will help me plant it?’

‘Not I,’ said the cow.
‘Not I,’ said the duck.

‘Not I,’ said the pig.

‘Not I,’ said the goose.

‘Then I will do it by myself,’ said the little red hen, and so she did. The wheat grew very tall and ripened into golden grain. ‘Who will help me reap my wheat?’ asked the little red hen.

‘Not I,’ said the duck.
‘Out of my classification,’ said the pig.

‘I’d lose my seniority,’ said the cow.

‘I’d lose my unemployment compensation,’ said the goose.

‘Then I will do it by myself,’ said the little red hen, and so she did. At last it came time to bake the bread.

‘Who will help me bake the bread?’ asked the little red hen.
‘That would be overtime for me,’ said the cow.

‘I’d lose my welfare benefits,’ said the duck.

‘I’m a dropout and never learned how,’ said the pig.

‘If I’m to be the only helper, that’s discrimination,’ said the goose.

‘Then I will do it by myself,’ said the little red hen.

She baked five loaves and held them up for all of her neighbors to see. They wanted some and, in fact, demanded a share. But the little red hen said, ‘No, I shall eat all five loaves.’

‘Excess profits!’ cried the cow. (Nancy Pelosi)
‘Capitalist leech!’ screamed the duck. (Barbara Boxer)

‘I demand equal rights!’ yelled the goose. (Jesse Jackson)

The pig just grunted in disdain. (Chris Dodd)

And they all painted ‘Unfair!’ picket signs and marched around and around the little red hen, shouting obscenities.
Then the farmer (Obama) came. He said to the little red hen, ‘You must not be so greedy.’

‘But I earned the bread,’ said the little red hen.
‘Exactly,’ said Barack the farmer. ‘That is what makes our free enterprise system so wonderful. Anyone in the barnyard can earn as much as he wants. But under our modern government regulations, the productive workers must divide the fruits of their labor with those who are lazy and idle.’

202 Blackacre  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:13:56am

I AM JOE! And I am livid about the character assassination being carried out on behalf of The One, with not a peep from the Obamessiah, who obviously endorses and encourages such ugly tactics. After all, Barry plainly told his supporters to "get in their face." This on-going ugliness gets laid squarely at Obama's feet.

203 yma o hyd  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:14:35am

re: #184 kynna

There are Joes all over the world who have suffered under socialism. It's not US-centric, IMO. Of course you can be a Joe. Anyone who wants a better life and wants not to be punished for succeeding is a Joe, I think.

I'd love for the 'I Am Joe' movement to take over the world.

Excellent point!

Its time such a movement got legs around the world.

204 BBev  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:14:39am

re: #80 Racer X

I get the impression the "Joe the plumber" thing has legs.

I'm going to cut and paste "I am Joe" and put it on the back window of my truck.

205 livefreeor die  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:14:41am

re: #174 odinga

While Obama was chiding the audience about all the Poor People and his socialist ideals Michelle Obama was stuffing her face with Lobster, Champagne and Caviar AT THE WALDORF-ASTORIA to the tune of $447.39

See Receipt
You will have to scroll down


Hey, Michelle. That could feed my family for one month, even with a teenage son and an almost teenage son. You see, there are these things called coupons and another thing called careful menu planning and...well, let's just say that nobody I know drops that amount on one meal, ever.

206 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:15:01am

re: #201 smokefire

Excellent.

207 willowone  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:15:01am

re: #174 odinga

But did they put it on the Ritz? (cracker chatter)

208 SpartanWoman  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:15:02am

re: #187 livefreeor die

If, God forbid, Barry wins, watching his wife's "Do as I say, not as I do" ripping off of the American taxpayer to live high on the hog will at least provide some comic relief. I can't even imagine how much of my money will go into redoing the White House.

And watch what happens when she tries to force her way into Washington society.

Can you even IMAGINE what Michelle will do to the White House?

God Forbid

209 Lynn B.  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:16:37am

Just a reminder ... The US tax system relies on voluntary compliance. Once in a while a little muscle needs to be applied but that's only effective because most people more or less honestly fill in their forms and send in their checks. BUT. It's been well documented that the level of compliance rises and falls with the perception that the tax system is fair. And 90% of the taxes are paid by a very small minority of the super-rich, i.e., those folks who can easily afford expensive tax lawyers who can find ways for them to save their money. Lots of their money. Again, resort to sophisticated tax planning techniques (as well as outright cheating) increases exponentially as tax rates increase on the wealthy and perception of fairness falls.

SO. If Obama, God forbid, should ever implement the disastrous tax policies he's proposing, policies that no one except the people who aren't paying them could possibly perceive as fair, then the level of compliance will plummet, which means revenue will decrease, dramatically, which means ... at some point the pendulum will swing back. As it has in the past. The Democrats have very short memories.

210 SpartanWoman  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:17:02am

re: #205 livefreeor die

Hey, Michelle. That could feed my family for one month, even with a teenage son and an almost teenage son. You see, there are these things called coupons and another thing called careful menu planning and...well, let's just say that nobody I know drops that amount on one meal, ever.

Not exactly proletariat swill, huh? I guess she econimized on the champagne, she could have opted for VC?

211 bbuddha  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:17:10am

I'm in...Well maybe not joe, josephine. It is time that those of us not slated for the first round of tax hikes stand up and say...That is theft and it is wrong! the whole concept that it is up to nobama to decide what is enough or too much is so jaw droppingly unamerican that it astounds me that anyone would vote for that thug.

212 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:17:40am

Heaven help me but, I must defend WAB. She dresses fairly well and if that is an indication of how she'll decorate the White House, I have no qualms. But, DON'T LET HER HUSBAND WIN.

213 Happy Fun Ball  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:17:46am

Mario -> Joe
Koopa -> Obama
Koopa Troopa -> ACORN, Wright, Ayers, etc.
Goomba -> DU, Kos, etc.
Princess -> The election (Not Sarah Palin. She doesn't need rescuing)

214 Killian Bundy  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:18:22am

My guess is that Joe will end up being a millionaire.

/right place, right time

215 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:18:26am

re: #201 smokefire

The Modern Little Red Hen

The Little Red Hen called all of her Democrat neighbors together and said, ‘If we plant this wheat, we shall have bread to eat. Who will help me plant it?’

‘Not I,’ said the cow.
‘Not I,’ said the duck.

‘Not I,’ said the pig.

‘Not I,’ said the goose.

‘Then I will do it by myself,’ said the little red hen, and so she did. The wheat grew very tall and ripened into golden grain. ‘Who will help me reap my wheat?’ asked the little red hen.

‘Not I,’ said the duck.
‘Out of my classification,’ said the pig.

‘I’d lose my seniority,’ said the cow.

‘I’d lose my unemployment compensation,’ said the goose.

‘Then I will do it by myself,’ said the little red hen, and so she did. At last it came time to bake the bread.

‘Who will help me bake the bread?’ asked the little red hen.
‘That would be overtime for me,’ said the cow.

‘I’d lose my welfare benefits,’ said the duck.

‘I’m a dropout and never learned how,’ said the pig.

‘If I’m to be the only helper, that’s discrimination,’ said the goose.

‘Then I will do it by myself,’ said the little red hen.

She baked five loaves and held them up for all of her neighbors to see. They wanted some and, in fact, demanded a share. But the little red hen said, ‘No, I shall eat all five loaves.’

‘Excess profits!’ cried the cow. (Nancy Pelosi)
‘Capitalist leech!’ screamed the duck. (Barbara Boxer)

‘I demand equal rights!’ yelled the goose. (Jesse Jackson)

The pig just grunted in disdain. (Chris Dodd)

And they all painted ‘Unfair!’ picket signs and marched around and around the little red hen, shouting obscenities.
Then the farmer (Obama) came. He said to the little red hen, ‘You must not be so greedy.’

‘But I earned the bread,’ said the little red hen.
‘Exactly,’ said Barack the farmer. ‘That is what makes our free enterprise system so wonderful. Anyone in the barnyard can earn as much as he wants. But under our modern government regulations, the productive workers must divide the fruits of their labor with those who are lazy and idle.’

The little red hen should have a ham and roast beef sandwich with a side of glazed goose for lunch...

216 yma o hyd  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:18:27am

re: #192 JHW

Would this work for Wales? "I am Jo(n)e(s).

Nope, sorry. Good try though!

Jones is 'John's son', and John here is 'Ieuan', with the initial I = J; the 'eu' = 'ai' and the 'an' = 'an'.


/Here endeth the lesson on Welsh Orthography and Pronounciation!

217 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:19:02am

re: #177 Syrah

Obama is . . .

A Marxist. Next question, please.

218 obageegee  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:19:09am

I am Joe and I'm clinging to my gun (Remington 1187-still made in the USA) and my King James Bible.

219 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:19:12am

re: #213 Happy Fun Ball

Mario -> Joe
Koopa -> Obama
Koopa Troopa -> ACORN, Wright, Ayers, etc.
Goomba -> DU, Kos, etc.
Princess -> The election (Not Sarah Palin. She doesn't need rescuing)

Bowser -> Soros

220 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:19:34am

re: #214 Killian Bundy

My guess is that Joe will end up being a millionaire.

/right place, right time

If he does, I'll be happy for him, not envious and bitter.

221 Macker  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:19:47am

re: #212 MandyManners

Heaven help me but, I must defend WAB. She dresses fairly well and if that is an indication of how she'll decorate the White House, I have no qualms. But, DON'T LET HER HUSBAND WIN.

WAB?

222 yma o hyd  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:19:52am

re: #195 MandyManners

"Joe-ness" knows no national boundary.

YOU ARE JOE!

Thanks Mandy!

Now I'm really happy :-))

223 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:19:52am

I am Joe.

And I hate communists.

I refuse to worship the hollywad elite MSM coddled chosen Chicago thug.
even while he looks me in the eye with that big socialist smile and tells me that he's going save my soul with his tired euro-socialist programs.

224 Killian Bundy  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:20:12am

re: #213 Happy Fun Ball

/what happens if I taunt you?

225 realwest  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:20:26am

Well hello again all y'all - got most of the chores done (y'all have no idea how hard you have to work when you're retired!).
Love this Iowahawk article. Truly.

But American "elites" haven't always been so scornful of the "Joes" in America. Indeed, our Founding Fathers needed and appreciated "Joe's" much more than do the "elities" of today.
The good citizens of Boston, for example, actually had to go around and raise money to buy Samuel Adams a decent suit of clothes he could wear to Philadelphia in July of 1776 and indeed helped him "cover" the cost of his transportation to get there.
And, yes of course there were slaves back then and yes some of our Founding Fathers owned slaves, but the slaves were used for, almost excusively manuel labor - pickin' cotton and what not. Skilled laborers such as our Joe were frequently "indentured servants" (a/k/a "apprentices") who learned via extremely hard work and long hours, how to make something or repair something of value. When they completed their terms of indentured servitude they went on to start their own businesses.
Ya know, sorta like Joe - work 12 or more hours a day 7 days a week [have y'all noticed how Joe's work hours and days seem to almost equal Charles?!]in an effort to move up the ladder so to speak. This looking down upon the Joe's is relatively new: we didn't have many "elites" in America, in days gone by, nor anywhere near as many people who thought they were part of the "elites" and that is the real "magic" of the Democratic Party: they manage to make office workers in cubby's, who frequently do work more than 40 hours a week, but who live in the big coastal cities - preferably near a Starbucks - and who do not, quite literally, get their hands dirty, believe that they too are part of the elites. And because they are part of the elities they do have a tendancy to look down upon those of us in "flyover country" who are "Joe's".
Is it any wonder or surprise that the (truly wannabe) "elites" support the Democrats? THEIR taxes aren't going up - at least according to Obama -only those filthy rich Republicans will finally begin to bear their fare share of the burden of supporting America.

226 Shug  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:20:32am

There once was a plumber named Joe
Who questioned B. Hussein O.
Then Came Leftists attacks
From political hacks
Bu Joe's numbers continued to grow

227 smartalice  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:20:52am

I went out to dinner with some of my work friends last night...I am a teacher...anyway, they are all voting for Barack and were bashing Palin and Joe.

I don't get it. Why are they so vicious and smug?

Any ideas?


Oh yeah, I am all about Joe!

228 sparrowlake  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:20:53am

re: #148 nyc redneck

obama's use of the "share the wealth" slogan is laughable, really.
it is such a bogus hippie dippy stupid hackneyed term.
all the bums on the corner w/ out stretched cups in their hands used to really like it. i bet they get rid of "got any spare change." and go back to "share the wealth, man."
it is an unbecoming phrase for a candidate running for potus.
obama was so stupid to use it. he is really a fool. (commie fool)

Unbecoming it certainly is.
Hippie dippy music was a lot better - Guess Who?

229 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:20:59am

re: #220 David IV of Georgia

If he does, I'll be happy for him, not envious and bitter.

I'll be envious, but certainly not bitter... Go Joe...

230 onthow  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:21:22am

I am Joe. And you are either with me, or a socialist asshole.

231 The Archivist  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:21:22am

And with this, the Republican party again proves itself the party of the working class!

Socialism does not work.
Joe works, and he works hard.
Let him keep what he earns.

I am Joe the Plumber.

232 Happy Fun Ball  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:21:29am

re: #219 Fat Jolly Penguin

Bowser -> Soros

Bleh...
I meant Bowser -> Obama

233 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:22:51am

Last December my water heater gave out ( bottom rusted out, water everywhere) on a Saturday. I called a plumber just hoping to be first on Monday. He was at my house in 10 minutes, helped me turn off the gas and water lines , drained it, and installed the new on on Monday.

In terms of ordinary daily life in the USA, it's the Joes who are the heroes.

234 x-wing  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:22:57am

Oh, Lord ,The One in Mo. They say the crowd is 100,000.

And he likes pie.

/I got your pie right here bub.

235 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:22:58am

re: #232 Happy Fun Ball

Bleh...
I meant Bowser -> Obama

Ooooh, right -- because Bowser was called Koopa in the older games... (I still think Soros should get that role. :D)

236 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:23:43am

re: #221 Macker

WAB?

WhineyAssBitch

237 broemti  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:24:20am

I am Joe. I own my home, payed off the loan! Took a major hit on 401K. Oh,and I do not have my hand out. Is it not strange that another Joe is demonized because he has to pay some back taxes? This is a Joe that is working, paying the government, while so many others do nothing and get payed by the government. Fair?

238 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:24:22am

re: #236 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

WhineyAssBitch

PIMF- WhineyAssBitch™

239 SpartanWoman  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:24:30am

re: #236 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

WhineyAssBitch

Thanks for the clarification

240 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:24:33am

re: #234 x-wing

Oh, Lord ,The One in Mo. They say the crowd is 100,000.

And he likes pie.

/I got your pie right here bub.

What did he do, show up at halftime at a college football stadium?

241 abolitionist  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:24:48am

re: #65 uncle_monkey

What really pisses me off is clowns like Biden saying "how many plumbers do you know that make $250k a year?" ...

BHO said that. But Biden too?

242 Happy Fun Ball  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:24:54am

re: #235 Fat Jolly Penguin

Ooooh, right -- because Bowser was called Koopa in the older games... (I still think Soros should get that role. :D)

Maybe make him one of those hammer throwers.

And Michael Moore could be Wart of course.

243 yma o hyd  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:24:56am

re: #205 livefreeor die

Hey, Michelle. That could feed my family for one month, even with a teenage son and an almost teenage son. You see, there are these things called coupons and another thing called careful menu planning and...well, let's just say that nobody I know drops that amount on one meal, ever.

Converting this into ££, well, let me tell you that this is equivalent to two weeks state pension for a couple, from which they have to pay everything: council tax, all the utilities, water rates, telephone, food, clothing, tv licence ...

But hey, it was always 'preach water, drink wine' for socialists and communists.

244 livefreeor die  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:24:59am

re: #227 smartalice

I went out to dinner with some of my work friends last night...I am a teacher...anyway, they are all voting for Barack and were bashing Palin and Joe.

I don't get it. Why are they so vicious and smug?

Any ideas?

Alot of them are liberal baby boomers who have never believed consequences apply to them and feel they are better than everyone, so rules of common decency don't apply. They didn't get their way with the last two elections and they have been tantrumming for 8 years. Their kids are even worse.


Oh yeah, I am all about Joe!

245 Macker  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:25:19am

re: #236 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

WhineyAssBitch

Thanks!

246 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:25:31am

re: #227 smartalice

I went out to dinner with some of my work friends last night...I am a teacher...anyway, they are all voting for Barack and were bashing Palin and Joe.

I don't get it. Why are they so vicious and smug?

Any ideas?


Oh yeah, I am all about Joe!

(smartalice)
Welcome to the secret fellowship of conservative teachers who kept their mouths closed at work to avoid hassles.

I think there are some teachers who truly think they're too good to teach. They are usually always liberal.

247 x-wing  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:26:32am

re: #240 sattv4u2

What did he do, show up at halftime at a college football stadium?

Don't know, I got to pie and the remote change the channel.

/my remote can't even stand ass-holes.

248 nyc redneck  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:26:56am

re: #201 smokefire

The Modern Little Red Hen

The Little Red Hen called all of her Democrat neighbors together and said, ‘If we plant this wheat, we shall have bread to eat. Who will help me plant it?’

‘Not I,’ said the cow.
‘Not I,’ said the duck.

‘Not I,’ said the pig.

‘Not I,’ said the goose.

‘Then I will do it by myself,’ said the little red hen, and so she did. The wheat grew very tall and ripened into golden grain. ‘Who will help me reap my wheat?’ asked the little red hen.

‘Not I,’ said the duck.
‘Out of my classification,’ said the pig.

‘I’d lose my seniority,’ said the cow.

‘I’d lose my unemployment compensation,’ said the goose.

‘Then I will do it by myself,’ said the little red hen, and so she did. At last it came time to bake the bread.

‘Who will help me bake the bread?’ asked the little red hen.
‘That would be overtime for me,’ said the cow.

‘I’d lose my welfare benefits,’ said the duck.

‘I’m a dropout and never learned how,’ said the pig.

‘If I’m to be the only helper, that’s discrimination,’ said the goose.

‘Then I will do it by myself,’ said the little red hen.

She baked five loaves and held them up for all of her neighbors to see. They wanted some and, in fact, demanded a share. But the little red hen said, ‘No, I shall eat all five loaves.’

‘Excess profits!’ cried the cow. (Nancy Pelosi)
‘Capitalist leech!’ screamed the duck. (Barbara Boxer)

‘I demand equal rights!’ yelled the goose. (Jesse Jackson)

The pig just grunted in disdain. (Chris Dodd)

And they all painted ‘Unfair!’ picket signs and marched around and around the little red hen, shouting obscenities.
Then the farmer (Obama) came. He said to the little red hen, ‘You must not be so greedy.’

‘But I earned the bread,’ said the little red hen.
‘Exactly,’ said Barack the farmer. ‘That is what makes our free enterprise system so wonderful. Anyone in the barnyard can earn as much as he wants. But under our modern government regulations, the productive workers must divide the fruits of their labor with those who are lazy and idle.’

i don't think " the little red hen" is taught in 1st. grade anymore.
i'm sure it's something just like this.

249 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:27:16am

re: #246 goddessoftheclassroom

(smartalice)
Welcome to the secret fellowship of conservative teachers who kept their mouths closed at work to avoid hassles.

I think there are some teachers who truly think they're too good to teach LEARN. They are usually always liberal.

hope you don't mind the edit

250 Shug  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:27:41am

Joe was a regular guy
Who didn't buy Obama's big lie
Joe's American dream
Lost Obama some steam
Now even Gallup's a virtual tie

251 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:27:43am

re: #243 yma o hyd

In 1992, my then-husband and I decided to move back to Virginia from Oxford because we'd earn half as much in England while the cost of living was twice as much.

i LOVED living in Oxford, but coming back to America was the best decision ever.

252 livefreeor die  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:28:06am

re: #246 goddessoftheclassroom

(smartalice)
Welcome to the secret fellowship of conservative teachers who kept their mouths closed at work to avoid hassles.

I think there are some teachers who truly think they're too good to teach. They are usually always liberal.

I'm an adjunct professor and my husband is a full professor. We are both conservatives and no one at our jobs has any idea. I'm sure I would never be rehired if it came out. As I've noted before here, one of my favorite quotes is "Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig."

253 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:28:21am

re: #246 goddessoftheclassroom

(smartalice)
Welcome to the secret fellowship of conservative teachers who kept their mouths closed at work to avoid hassles.

I think there are some teachers who truly think they're too good to teach LEARN . They are usually always liberal.


would have been better if I did it right the 1st time

PIMF

254 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:28:49am

re: #249 sattv4u2

Not at all!

255 jcm  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:28:58am

Canvassers, not ACORN, at fault

King County Prosecutor Dan Satterberg, a Republican, said last year that the ACORN case in Seattle had nothing to do with manipulating outcomes and everything to do with the workers' efforts to keep their $8-an-hour jobs. If anyone was defrauded, it was ACORN, an acronym for Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.


Satterberg just lost my vote. Course he's got to kiss the County Execs ass to get funding but still no vote from me.

256 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:30:30am

Hey 0bama, get it straight:

Life, Liberty and the redistribution of Property.

— Correction supplied by Joe

257 yma o hyd  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:30:49am

re: #251 goddessoftheclassroom

In 1992, my then-husband and I decided to move back to Virginia from Oxford because we'd earn half as much in England while the cost of living was twice as much.

i LOVED living in Oxford, but coming back to America was the best decision ever.

I bet - especially since you escaped the huge deterioration which set in after Tony B and NuLab came to power in 1997.

258 Killian Bundy  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:30:51am

Obama is doing his Pie speech again.

/there's something seriously wrong with these morons

259 Macker  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:30:51am

re: #255 jcm

Just like the Demo☭rats who will always blame the voters if their candidates lose.

260 flynmudd  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:31:01am

I am Jo(sephine).

261 Tigger2005  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:31:14am

re: #184 kynna

There are Joes all over the world who have suffered under socialism. It's not US-centric, IMO. Of course you can be a Joe. Anyone who wants a better life and wants not to be punished for succeeding is a Joe, I think.

I'd love for the 'I Am Joe' movement to take over the world.

I know a guy from Canada who married a Ukrainian woman and moved to Ukraine. They are working hard to build a good life for themselves in a former Communist country. Recently they sank their life savings into buying a truck from the U.S. so they can start an auto salvage business. The risk they are taking is breathtaking. It's also the essence of the "American" dream, which is actually a dream of people the world over.

This guy is Joe.

262 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:32:19am

re: #236 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

WhineyAssBitch

You are a racists I do suppose
pounding on your keyboard with those ugly toes
sitting in your underwear picking your nose
insulting the messiah's wife with your ones and zero's

re-educated you obviously need to be
freedom of speech is for me not thee
socialist indoctrination your mind will free
from anything resembling personal responsibility.

263 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:32:28am

Here is the letter I sent to the KC Star paper today:

Senator Obama was here Saturday.
I am not a supporter but wanted to go in case I could ask him a question about his tax increase.
I was told by family members not to go because they didn't want me to be destroyed by the media
like Joe the Plumber.
Read that sentence again. For simply asking a question and getting Obama to admit his socialist agenda, the media is shredding Joe and not Obama.
After all it is not the question that was the problem, it was the ANSWER!

Is anyone afraid that would happen to you if you questioned Senator McCain?

This is what he have to look forward to folks in an Obama administration.
And you want to tell me that he is the candidate that can bring people together?
What a joke.

264 Opinionated  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:32:29am

I wonder.

We have all heard about the dirt they are tossing at Joe. He works without a license, he owes some back taxes.

If Joe got his licence, if he caught up on his taxes, would he be able to get a security clearance to work in a national security related Government building?

With his ties to Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, Wright, Khalid Rashidi, Acorn, etc, if he were not elected President, would Obama be able to get any high level security clearance?

Are the American people really going to vote in a President who in the normal course of investigation, the Government would not trust with its secrets?

265 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:32:32am

Saw this earlier at HotAir and downloaded the 'I AM JOE', printed it and it is taped to my storm door.

266 kynna  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:33:05am

re: #209 Lynn B.

SO. If Obama, God forbid, should ever implement the disastrous tax policies he's proposing, policies that no one except the people who aren't paying them could possibly perceive as fair, then the level of compliance will plummet, which means revenue will decrease, dramatically, which means ... at some point the pendulum will swing back. As it has in the past. The Democrats have very short memories.

This presumes fair elections. When Obama refuses to investigate and punish leftist vote fraud it will grow and become entrenched. And when people are too frightened to speak out against the leftists because they'll risk losing their businesses, becoming victims of violent attacks and turn-out-the-seams investigations there won't be recourse at the ballot box or in the US system of elected government.

The pendulum won't swing back if it's been snagged and hog tied through the incredible corruption of the leftist movement.

267 winston06  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:33:45am

I like this Joe guy. He is what makes America strong and proud.

268 Macker  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:33:55am

re: #261 Tigger2005

I know a guy from Canada who married a Ukrainian woman and moved to Ukraine. They are working hard to build a good life for themselves in a former Communist country. Recently they sank their life savings into buying a truck from the U.S. so they can start an auto salvage business. The risk they are taking is breathtaking. It's also the essence of the "American" dream, which is actually a dream of people the world over.

This guy is Joe.

Razom nas bahato!

269 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:34:20am

re: #263 Typicalwhitey

Here is the letter I sent to the KC Star paper today:

Great work, but sorry to say that your letter is already in the shredder

THERE WILL BE NO DISENT IN AN OBAMA ADMIN

270 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:34:25am

Joe eats fried food, and he has a lot of work to do, so he eats all he wants.

271 x-wing  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:34:35am

re: #262 doriangrey

Nicely done. Up-ding for you.

272 livefreeor die  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:35:04am

I find I am increasingly turning to my faith to tell myself that our country has survived very dark hours and that God will look out for us should the worst happen.

I can't believe I have to be thinking that way and that so many of my fellow citizens are going to contribute to a situation where I have to think that way.

273 Tigger2005  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:35:11am

re: #234 x-wing

Oh, Lord ,The One in Mo. They say the crowd is 100,000.

And he likes pie.

/I got your pie right here bub.

Where's he at? I'd like to go ask him about his tax program, and call him a socialist to his smirking face.

274 Ben Hur  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:35:17am

I am Joo.

275 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:35:37am
276 Ben Hur  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:35:52am

Whoops!

Joe.

Of course I meant Joe.

277 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:36:18am

I am Joe.
I don't envy my relatives, friends, neighbors, acquaintances who make more money and have more than I do right now, because I know in this country, with a little hard work and good planning, I can get to there from where I am.

I am Joe.
Because I live in this country, I do not have to be among the ultra-rich to have everything I need and most of what I want.

I am Joe.
I don't need to live in Joe Biden's neighborhood, nor would I want to!

278 realwest  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:36:19am

re: #227 smartalice
Y'all might want to see my #225 for why all of your
"work friends " (who I assume are also teachers or, worse, administrators) are for Obama.
And - if they were members of a teachers union, then that's another reason they are for Obama - their union leaders said they should be.
And besides, unlike "Joe" they are all "educated people" and probably (I'm guessing here) work in Urban America!

279 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:36:48am

re: #272 livefreeor die

I turn there too,

cling you might say,

Portae Inferi Non Praevalebunt;

(the gates of hell shall not prevail).

BBL

280 BBev  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:36:53am

re: #220 David IV of Georgia

If he does, I'll be happy for him, not envious and bitter.

Then he can buy the business he wants with out any bank financing, good hopes for him.

281 livefreeor die  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:37:00am

re: #275 ploome hineni

the site is overloaded

keeps freezing on me

The hamsters must be at a college tailgate somewhere.
On that note, I better go do my errands and chores.

282 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:37:00am

I am Joe.

Charles, have you seen this:

How Low Can They Go?

For those who thought the New York Times couldn't sink any lower, check out today's hit piece on Cindy McCain. The real target, of course, is her husband, and the Times takes every opportunity to dredge up their favorite anti-McCain talking points, while painting an unflattering personal picture of the candidate.

283 Ben Hur  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:37:09am

Crack: Acceptable.

Plumbers Crack: Unacceptable.

284 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:37:19am

re: #262 doriangrey

You are a racists I do suppose
pounding on your keyboard with those ugly toes
sitting in your underwear picking your nose
insulting the messiah's wife with your ones and zero's

re-educated you obviously need to be
freedom of speech is for me not thee
socialist indoctrination your mind will free
from anything resembling personal responsibility.

Um, I didn't call her that. Macker asked what WAB meant, and I told him.

/

285 llanite  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:37:19am

I am Joe the Plumber. And when I see all you other Joes out there I see the best America has to offer. I see huge potential, and I see it under attack everywhere I turn. Damn it - we're an entire generation pumping gas, shopping at Wally World, waiting tables, wage slaves with white and blue collars. The government made rules that keep us in debt to companies that we would never have needed if they would just let us alone and let us pay our own way.

Us Joes are the middle children of history - not the privileged elites, and not the downtrodden lower classes living off the government's handouts. We didn't fight the Great War, we haven't had a Great Depression. Our war today is a Moral War, an Ethical Great War. We've been raised to believe that people should be free to take care of themselves. We saw our parents and grandparents fight to keep the communists and the nazis from taking those freedoms away only to wake up and discover that those same forces are taking control of the media, financial, and government institutions here in our own backyard. But we are waking up, and we are very, very pissed off!

286 Killian Bundy  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:37:23am

re: #274 Ben Hur

I am Joo.

That's cool.

/it's apparently all about pie anyway

287 Former Lurker  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:37:47am

Late to the party.

I am Joe-sephina.

288 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:38:08am

re: #275 ploome hineni

the site is overloaded

keeps freezing on me

PLOOMIE! Hello!

I seem to be missing you on the threads, these days.

289 llanite  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:38:29am

re: #285 llanite

all props to Tyler 'Joe' Durden and Chuck Pahlaniuk for inspiration for the above...

290 Onslow  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:38:35am

She's not Joe

291 Little Doxie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:38:40am

Proud to be American
Music and Lyrics by Lee Greenwood

---

If tomorrow all the things were gone I’d worked for all my life,
And I had to start again with just my children and my wife.
I’d thank my lucky stars to be living here today,
‘Cause the flag still stands for freedom and they can’t take that away.

And I’m proud to be an American where as least I know I’m free.
And I won’t forget the men who died, who gave that right to me.
And I’d gladly stand up next to you and defend her still today.
‘Cause there ain’t no doubt I love this land God bless the U.S.A.

From the lakes of Minnesota, to the hills of Tennessee,
across the plains of Texas, from sea to shining sea,

From Detroit down to Houston and New York to LA,
Well, there’s pride in every American heart,
and it’s time to stand and say:

I’m proud to be an American where at least I know I’m free.
And I won’t forget the men who died, who gave that right to me.
And I’d gladly stand up next to you and defend her still today.
‘Cause there ain’t no doubt I love this land God bless the U.S.A

---

Back to 9-11-01


The sentiment I felt in this thread reminded me of how choked up I get
whenever I hear this song. Hope no one minds.

McCain/Palin/American Joe '08

292 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:38:41am

re: #274 Ben Hur

I am Joo.

funny ,,, but you don't look JOO ish!

293 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:39:04am
294 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:39:34am

re: #286 Killian Bundy

That's cool.

/it's apparently all about pie anyway

Wait, it is pie or waffles?

/This is very annoying.

295 Florida Lady  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:39:42am

Wonder if Just My View thinks (s)he is Joe . . .

/

296 Bubbaman  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:39:44am

I am Joe - a hard working, bill paying American who loves my children, neighbors, and country. I don't want a hand out, I want the politicians' hands out of my pocket and my life. I want the freedom to be able to go to my church and help improve my community. I want my kids to be able to play safely in their neighborhood and go to a school where they learn math, science, english, and real history (not revisionist pc speak). I am Joe.

297 mama winger  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:40:03am

I AM JOE THE PLUMBER

and I am not sending my money to Obama

298 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:40:09am
299 chedub  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:40:19am

I am Che Joe.

300 mama winger  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:40:52am

re: #291 Little Doxie

I don't mind in the least. I am cheering too.

301 BBev  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:40:59am

re: #225 realwest

Real the last time I worked a 40 hour week was...you know I have always worked far more them 40 hours and love every minute of it.

302 sandspur  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:41:29am

re: #161 livefreeor die

God bless you! You wouldn't happen to be located in southeastern PA would you?

Nope. Central NJ
I am a GRITS and am always pleasantly surprised how many people in my area are happy to have their children learn nice manners and to be respectful of their elders and say "yes m'am" and "no, sir".

303 wolfie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:41:49am

re: #227 smartalice

As you know, education schools, outside of being bastions of leftist propaganda, generally draw their students from the lowest level of academic competence.
Teachers are in the bottom rank of the ruling class and therefore are desperate to prove the difference betweem themselves and the ruled ones. (The little corporal syndrome.) They are especially prone to adopting ruling class fashions and to sneering at popular ones. In my area this means hating country music and NASCAR, for example.
Obamania is fashionable. It marks you as superior to the rednecks and hardhats who are bitter and clingy. It distinguishes you as one of the enlightened.
Just my opinion, based on much observation.

304 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:41:58am

re: #282 Noam Sayin'

I am Joe.

Charles, have you seen this:

How Low Can They Go?


What did the nyslimes write about her? Will never visit their site and give him a hit.

305 jcm  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:42:10am

re: #295 Florida Lady

Wonder if Just My View thinks (s)he is Joe . . .

/

No, just entitled to Joe's wealth.

*several rounds this morning*

306 itellu3times  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:42:19am

I'd send the sticker to my lib friend who is waffling (!) on Obama, but he isn't Joe.

307 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:42:27am

Band of Brothers on History Channel.

308 Killian Bundy  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:42:29am

re: #294 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Wait, it is pie or waffles?

/This is very annoying.

/there's not a cartoon character he won't stoop to ripping off, there's a history here

309 mama winger  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:43:03am

re: #307 Noam Sayin'

Band of Brothers on History Channel.

Hey Noam.

310 Ben Hur  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:43:16am

Wealth isn't spread with a butter knife.

311 jcm  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:43:18am

re: #307 Noam Sayin'

Band of Brothers on History Channel.

BoB is on one of my hard drives...

312 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:43:39am

re: #284 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Um, I didn't call her that. Macker asked what WAB meant, and I told him.

/

ROTFLMAO...yea, but you repeated it...

313 x-wing  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:43:40am

re: #161 livefreeor die

God bless you! You wouldn't happen to be located in southeastern PA would you?

Are you? If so, how close are you to Sarah Palins' stop today?

314 sparrowlake  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:43:46am

Please lead us by example, OSaviour, and tell us how you have shared your own wealth.

*crickets*

315 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:43:46am

re: #291 Little Doxie

Proud to be American
Music and Lyrics by Lee Greenwood

--- ---

If tomorrow all the things were gone I’d worked for all my life,
And I had to start again with just my children and my wife.
I’d thank my lucky stars to be living here today,
‘Cause the flag still stands for freedom and they can’t take that away.

And I’m proud to be an American where as least I know I’m free.
And I won’t forget the men who died, who gave that right to me.
And I’d gladly stand up next to you and defend her still today.
‘Cause there ain’t no doubt I love this land God bless the U.S.A.

From the lakes of Minnesota, to the hills of Tennessee,
across the plains of Texas, from sea to shining sea,

From Detroit down to Houston and New York to LA,
Well, there’s pride in every American heart,
and it’s time to stand and say:

I’m proud to be an American where at least I know I’m free.
And I won’t forget the men who died, who gave that right to me.
And I’d gladly stand up next to you and defend her still today.
‘Cause there ain’t no doubt I love this land God bless the U.S.A

--- ---

Back to 9-11-01


The sentiment I felt in this thread reminded me of how choked up I get
whenever I hear this song. Hope no one minds.

McCain/Palin/American Joe '08

Youtube Video

316 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:44:03am

re: #304 newsjunkie_ky

What did the nyslimes write about her? Will never visit their site and give him a hit.

From Powerline:

The lead reporter on the story, Jodi Kantor, went trolling for trash among schoolmates of the McCains' 16-year-old daughter, Bridget. Here is the email Kantor sent via Facebook to another kid at Bridget's school:

I saw on facebook that you went to Xavier, and if you don't mind, I'd love to ask you some advice about a story. I'm a reporter at the New York Times, writing a profile of Cindy McCain, and we are trying to get a sense of what she is like as a mother. So I'm reaching out to fellow parents at her kids' schools. My understanding is that some of her older kids went to Brophy/Xavier, but I'm trying to figure out what school her 16 year old daughter Bridget attends-- and a few people said it was PCDS. Do you know if that's right? Again, we're not really reporting on the kids, just seeking some fellow parents who can talk about what Mrs. McCain is like.

Also, if you know anyone else who I should talk to-- basically anyone who has encountered Mrs. McCain and might be able to share impressions-- that would be great.

Thanks so much for any help you can give me.

Jodi Kantor
Political correspondent
New York Times

317 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:44:14am

re: #295 Florida Lady

Wonder if Just My View thinks (s)he is Joe . . .

/

"Joe" is too pedestrian for JMV (unless it was pronounced joeSEPH, with the accent on the 2nd syllable)

318 Forever  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:45:14am

I know this doesn't belong to this thread, but as the others are too far down I will mention it here: We need to turn the tide of this 'racism' calling. Every honest and fair remark about certain behaviour from non-whites - to put it very bluntly - is always too easily countered by them as us being racists and we really need to weaken the meaning of this word as it is being so deliberately misused by many 'ethnic minorities'.

On topic: I AM JOE.

319 mama winger  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:45:44am

anybody else loading slow today ?

320 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:46:04am

BTW, saw a few gas stations at $2.29 a gallon yesterday.

321 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:46:10am

re: #319 mama winger

anybody else loading slow today ?

Yes, for me. And Ploome said it was freezing up on her.

322 smokefire  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:46:15am

re: #248 nyc redneck

thats right, they don't teach that anymore, they teach diversity, sex education, intolerance. All of those up to date classes.

No wonder Johnny can't read, write, and reason.

323 jcm  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:46:16am

Obama makes the fundamental liberal mistake.

That is that wealth is finite.

Wealth is not finite, wealth is created by labor. Some labor has greater value, but it still creates wealth.

A person other than a thief doesn't have wealth they have not created.

324 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:47:00am

re: #319 mama winger

anybody else loading slow today ?

No problems here to report.

325 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:47:44am

re: #316 Noam Sayin'

What in the world?

326 Geepers  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:47:48am

Noam Sayin' (#282),

How Low Can They Go?

It's even worse than that. They went trolling the youngest daughter's Facebook page to get dirt:

Talk about sleazy tactics! Wizbang has obtained a copy of a Facebook e-mail sent by New York Times reporter Jodi Kantor in order to snoop into the private life of John McCain's youngest daughter, Bridgette.

NYT Reporter Sends Facebook Message to Violate McCain Daughter Privacy

327 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:48:00am

re: #322 smokefire

thats right, they don't teach that anymore, they teach diversity, sex education, intolerance. All of those up to date classes.

No wonder Johnny can't read, write, and reason.

328 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:48:27am

re: #227 smartalice

One explanation in my mind is that Palin has a real faith in the Creator - she has said as much - and this sometimes visibly panics those who have no faith.

If you think about your friends who bash McCain and Palin, do they seem to be people of a deep faith, wether expressed through regular church going or not?

I really do think that there is a very big spiritual battle going on around this election.

What do you think?

329 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:48:27am

re: #319 mama winger

anybody else loading slow today ?

I was, but then I increased the size of my Vodka glass!

330 alegrias  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:48:40am

Obama's supporters criminalize a guy struggling to ENLARGE THE PIE, and struggling to pay taxes. Criminalize a striver, democrats! Criminalize hard working people who don't want handouts.

Whereas, you might have noticed lately, Obama's supporters in many cases don't pay taxes but RECEIVE welfare, ACORN taxpaid makework jobs, Annenberg grants, minority set-asides, sweetheart deals from Countryside Mortgage, or other taxpayer funds like the millions in tax money that went to Rev. Jeremiah Wright's "church" with Obama's support.

WORKING PEOPLE of America--and we all "work" at something--Unite Against these Oppressors & Expropriators & Demoralizers.

331 realwest  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:48:47am

re: #277 reine.de.tout
ROTFL! But Joe Biden "only" has one home - it's in a "compound" of course, but still only one home!
But I wouldn't want to live in his neighborhood, nor Pelosi's nor (any of the) Kennedy's, nor Obama or even in that 93% White gated community that Rev. Wright just moved into - which, iirc, is an 11,000 sq ft "Mansion" with ONLY three bedrooms!
Nope, I'd druther live where I do and where I suspect most of you do too (although - and no disrespect to California Lizards - not in California; wildfires, mudslides, earthquakes, smog and the government of the entire State).

332 mama winger  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:49:02am

having trouble with the 'new comments' button too - throws me out and gives me a blank page

Firefox 3

333 smokefire  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:49:05am

re: #262 doriangrey

Youtube Video

Just thought I would add this too.

334 mama winger  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:49:24am

re: #328 Ojoe

One explanation in my mind is that Palin has a real faith in the Creator - she has said as much - and this sometimes visibly panics those who have no faith.

If you think about your friends who bash McCain and Palin, do they seem to be people of a deep faith, wether expressed through regular church going or not?

I really do think that there is a very big spiritual battle going on around this election.

What do you think?

yup

335 DistantThunder  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:50:24am

Joe unlike Obama is not ashamed of his middle name.

336 Ben Hur  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:50:54am

Lobster hors d'overs. (yeah, like YOU can spell it)

2 Steam whole lobsters.

Iranian caviar.

Typical plumber brown bag lunch.

337 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:51:19am

re: #323 jcm

Obama makes the fundamental liberal mistake.

That is that wealth is finite.

Wealth is not finite, wealth is created by labor. Some labor has greater value, but it still creates wealth.

A person other than a thief doesn't have wealth they have not created.

Obama makes the fundamental liberal Marxist/socialist mistake. He believes that the proles can be sucked dry of every cent they have and they will magically be replenished whilst pouring love and adulation upon him for his releasing them from the burden of the fruits of their labor.

338 smokefire  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:51:24am

re: #307 Noam Sayin'

with commercials...no thanks.

Great series, but must be watched commercial free

339 SurferDoc  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:51:38am

Third generation Joe, here.

I went back to school and got ahead but I remember pouring concrete in AZ when it was 118 degrees. And yes, digging ditches. I always felt a little bit bad for the plumbers who had to crawl around in dirtier places while I worked standing up.

340 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:52:09am

re: #330 alegrias

Obama's supporters criminalize a guy struggling to ENLARGE THE PIE, and struggling to pay taxes. Criminalize a striver, democrats! Criminalize hard working people who don't want handouts.

Whereas, you might have noticed lately, Obama's supporters in many cases don't pay taxes but RECEIVE welfare, ACORN taxpaid makework jobs, Annenberg grants, minority set-asides, sweetheart deals from Countryside Mortgage, or other taxpayer funds like the millions in tax money that went to Rev. Jeremiah Wright's "church" with Obama's support.

WORKING PEOPLE of America--and we all "work" at something--Unite Against these Oppressors & Expropriators & Demoralizers.

WORKERS OF THE WORLD, UNITE!

341 realwest  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:52:10am

re: #298 ploome hineni
Hi ploome - what racist PIE speech are y'all talking about?

342 Little Doxie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:52:12am

re: #315 MandyManners

Thanks, Mandy:) I'm new to posting and linking you tube is a little above my Lizard grade yet.
(now I will need tissues)

343 Tigger2005  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:52:37am

re: #328 Ojoe

One explanation in my mind is that Palin has a real faith in the Creator - she has said as much - and this sometimes visibly panics those who have no faith.

If you think about your friends who bash McCain and Palin, do they seem to be people of a deep faith, wether expressed through regular church going or not?

I really do think that there is a very big spiritual battle going on around this election.

What do you think?

I'm an atheist and I love Sarah Palin, Christmas, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights, and veterans, and the Pledge of Allegiance, and the National Anthem, and so on and so on and so on.

I think it's very important not to lose sight of the fact that one can believe in America and her values, principles, and traditions from a secular as well as a spiritual perspective.

There are many, many people out there who believe in God and prayer and spirituality who are supporting Obama. Oprah Winfrey, to name just one.

344 x-wing  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:52:40am

re: #336 Ben Hur

Lobster hors d'overs. (yeah, like YOU can spell it)

2 Steam whole lobsters.

Iranian caviar.

Typical plumber brown bag lunch.


I wonder if she eats lobster like Darrell Hanna did in Mermaid?

345 notutopia  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:52:48am

re: #163 MandyManners

Mandy, Dr. Erikkson's work is real. His theory of this practice was introduced to me in an Alternative Medicine Course at Advanced Practice Levels of Psychology and Psychiatry. Hypnosis is also taught in some Anesthesia, MD programs for alternative Pain treatment. Psych Ops has used these methods in lengthy interrogations for some time.
The issue here, is it possible that it is realistic for Obama to have had the mentoring and skill practice which is required to master this intentionally, or does/has he come "by it naturally" ?

346 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:53:16am
347 alegrias  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:53:22am

re: #331 realwest

* * *
Hello My Friend RealWEst!

Remember Ronald Reagan's revolution started in California. There are conservatives in California.

And remember David Zucker the producer of "An American Carol" is a Californian!

348 jOjOEofArcadia  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:53:37am

re: #133 DistantThunder

I am mesmerized as I read this report. It is in PDF format, hence it is difficult to cut and paste parts here for discussion. From my previous encounters with hypnosis and NLP, I have more clarity now into just why and how HBO comes across being so "credible" to many of his followers, while I see him as just another dumbass.
This is a must-read for anyone troubled by how HBO has risen so fast, and continues to maintain his charismatic hold on so many millions.
The video of HBO campaigning in Kenya during 2006 is also very enlightening, but the MSM will never touch it.

349 jcm  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:53:46am

re: #337 doriangrey

Obama makes the fundamental liberal Marxist/socialist mistake. He believes that the proles can be sucked dry of every cent they have and they will magically be replenished whilst pouring love and adulation upon him for his releasing them from the burden of the fruits of their labor.

You got you're Dear Leader Portrait yet?
It will be required on Jan. 21. Don't forget the gilt frame.
/

350 Ben Hur  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:53:47am

BBL

351 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:53:53am
352 jcm  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:54:12am

re: #350 Ben Hur

BBL

By Joo!

353 Lynn B.  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:54:33am

re: #266 kynna

This presumes fair elections. When Obama refuses to investigate and punish leftist vote fraud it will grow and become entrenched. And when people are too frightened to speak out against the leftists because they'll risk losing their businesses, becoming victims of violent attacks and turn-out-the-seams investigations there won't be recourse at the ballot box or in the US system of elected government.

The pendulum won't swing back if it's been snagged and hog tied through the incredible corruption of the leftist movement.

It has nothing to do with elections. The government can't operate without revenue. If they just keep raising taxes, the revenue will just continue to shrink. We've been there and done that. Even THE ONE can't get water from a stone.

354 mrkwong  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:55:06am

Anyone got thoughts on a source for bumper stickers from that IAMJOE graphic?

I don't want to get in anyone else's way if it's in progress and obviously there's copyright issues on the graphic, but I want ten, right now.

355 neocon hippie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:55:34am

I am no Joe, I must admit. After all, I'm an upper-middle-class secular Jew who is all thumbs when it comes to the mechanical. Nevertheless, I throw the full weight of my support to the Joes of this country. By and large the Joes are more clued in to the reality of what's staring us in the face that most of the people of my background.

356 realwest  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:55:39am

re: #329 sattv4u2
Good move!
Don't have to re-fill so much and it's sorta...comforting to be holding a big glass of vodka, no?!

357 mrkwong  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:56:19am

And for what it's worth to the other PDRC residents in the comments here, I think a dozen or so cars with IAMJOE bumper stickers and California license plates would make a great image.

358 debutaunt  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:56:21am

re: #347 alegrias

* * *
Hello My Friend RealWEst!

Remember Ronald Reagan's revolution started in California. There are conservatives in California.

And remember David Zucker the producer of "An American Carol" is a Californian!

I am Joe's mom and I live in California.

359 jcm  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:56:27am

re: #353 Lynn B.

It has nothing to do with elections. The government can't operate without revenue. If they just keep raising taxes, the revenue will just continue to shrink. We've been there and done that. Even THE ONE can't get water from a stone.



Laffer curve.

360 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:56:49am
361 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:57:04am

re: #342 Little Doxie

Put your cursor on the browser box and hit CTRL C--it will highlight the link. Then, come back to the comment box here and hit CTRL V. That's an easy link. To link using the link function at LGF, highlight the text, then do the CTRL C thing. Come back here and click on the link button. Hit CTRL V, then OK.

362 realwest  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:57:25am

re: #351 ploome hineni
While I am moderately reassured that he like pie, I am truly unfamiliar with the sweet potatoE PIE story!
Can ya help me out here?

363 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:57:26am

re: #356 realwest

Good move!
Don't have to re-fill so much and it's sorta...comforting to be holding a big glass of vodka, no?!

I prefer a nice Arrogant Bastard Ale in a 22oz bottle, thank you very much... ;)

364 smokefire  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:57:40am

time to get ready for work.

5pm to 7 am, protecting the residents of the Rose of New England.

Everyone else be safe, tonight.

Oh yeah

GO SOX

365 jcm  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:58:17am

re: #361 MandyManners

Put your cursor on the browser box and hit CTRL C--it will highlight the link. Then, come back to the comment box here and hit CTRL V. That's an easy link. To link using the link function at LGF, highlight the text, then do the CTRL C thing. Come back here and click on the link button. Hit CTRL V, then OK.

Mandy's one of the THEM...

She's trying to CTRL everything!

// ;-P

366 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:58:34am

re: #345 notutopia

Mandy, Dr. Erikkson's work is real. His theory of this practice was introduced to me in an Alternative Medicine Course at Advanced Practice Levels of Psychology and Psychiatry. Hypnosis is also taught in some Anesthesia, MD programs for alternative Pain treatment. Psych Ops has used these methods in lengthy interrogations for some time.
The issue here, is it possible that it is realistic for Obama to have had the mentoring and skill practice which is required to master this intentionally, or does/has he come "by it naturally" ?

I'm betting he's taken courses on it. This guy's been prepped.

367 Little Doxie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:58:42am

re: #361 MandyManners

Thanks:)

368 wolfie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:58:52am

re: #342 Little Doxie

I still can't handle digital clocks and microwaves.
A pathetic techno-phobe.

When the techies and geeks compliment Charles on how well this blog works, that's nice. But when someone utterly incompetent like me finds it user-friendly, that's really saying something!

369 DistantThunder  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:59:01am

Here is a MSM story about mass hypnosis and NLP Neurolinguistic programming.

The soviets were master so this...and now it is revealed in a new report that Obama is using these same techniques to lull his crowds into trances, and "anchoring" to vote for him on Nov. 4th.

Read about the man who does this professionally.

Derren Brown's bag of psychological tricks
t's all about the words Brown chooses, the careful way he mangles his instructions: when talking to the ad men, he uses the word "taxijourney" instead of "taxidermy," and yes, it's significant. In one New York grocery store, he asks the shopkeeper if he has "anything that would be good for you to take" for a headache, uttering the words "good for you to take" as he's handing over blank bills. He makes it look so easy that, if I weren't quite so upstanding, I might want to try it myself.

It's not a trick - it is psychological manipulation of the subconscience - and it can be dangerous.

370 Prester John  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:59:05am

I can only hope that the McCain campaign sees what is going on and create a series of ads with:

Joe the electrician
Josephine the hairdresser
Jose the car mechanice
Joe the carpenter
Etc

all of whom are working hard, trying to take care of their families, and have dreams of bettering themselves.

I think it would be a hit and would knock the Dems for a loop.

371 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:59:27am
372 pittboy  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:00:27am

I'm a proud American Joe. I lived through the bleak Carter years and don't want to see that happen again. This encounter with a hard working man may just make people realize "the one" will be a poor choice on election day. My vote goes to the candidates who appreciate Joe the Plumber and everyone like him.

373 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:00:28am

re: #336 Ben Hur

Lobster hors d'overs. (yeah, like YOU can spell it)

2 Steam whole lobsters.

Iranian caviar.

Typical plumber brown bag lunch.

Someone on the radio was talking about John Kerry and his wife, John Edwards and his wife, and Ben Affleck campaigning in 2004 in Newburgh, NY when they stopped at a Wendys for "lunch" to show they were regular people. Teresa Kerry didn't know what chili was. Then after their photo-op "lunch", they went to their campaign bus and had their real lunch, catered by the Newburgh Yacht Club consisting of shrimp vindallo, grilled diver sea scallops, prosciutto, wrapped stuffed chicken and steak salad at $200 per meal.

374 sparrowlake  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:00:32am

re: #328 Ojoe

One explanation in my mind is that Palin has a real faith in the Creator - she has said as much - and this sometimes visibly panics those who have no faith.
If you think about your friends who bash McCain and Palin, do they seem to be people of a deep faith, wether expressed through regular church going or not?
I really do think that there is a very big spiritual battle going on around this election.
What do you think?

Do you really think that religion is the main issue?
- Economy?
- War on Terror?
- Immigration?
- Environment?

375 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:00:36am

re: #369 DistantThunder

WTF ,,, your post moved my entire screen about 5 inches to the left!

376 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:00:49am

re: #345 notutopia

That's a really cool avatar!

377 alien_mind  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:00:57am

I'm with you Joe, all the way.

everything about this election has been straight out of the bizarro world expecting for you and Sarah. You two are people that I can understand and that make sense to me.

Stand up, stand up and fight, do not give up, do not let them win!

378 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:01:19am

Charles must be tinkering. The page layout jumped to the left.

379 VioletTiger  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:01:33am

You may have already seen this, but I just got this link for Michele's 'lil snack...not sure if it is real or not.

[Link: sweetness-light.com...]

380 realwest  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:01:57am

re: #347 alegrias I AM sorry my friend, and of course Charles is in California too (as are many lizards with whom I am friends) but, really, how do y'all manage to live - and apparently enjoy it! - in a place with the weird (to me) weather, and the earthquakes, forest fires, mudslides and your State government?
As a relative conservative it would drive me nuts - or nuttier if you rather!

381 Outrider  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:02:26am

re: #290 Onslow

She's not Joe

What an unprofessionally written story. The reporter Russel Working informs us Safia Z. Jilani was charged with filing a false police report. But instead of informing his readers what led up to this story to start with, other than a quick one liner, he drifts into a story about Muslims being persecuted on campus following a protest against treatment of US prisoners at Gitmo. I had to read the comments section to find the full story leading up to this one.

382 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:02:28am

re: #378 newsjunkie_ky

Charles must be tinkering. The page layout jumped to the left.

it happened because of #369 link. Look how long the actual link is

383 Lynn B.  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:02:28am

re: #313 x-wing

re: #161 livefreeor die

God bless you! You wouldn't happen to be located in southeastern PA would you?

Are you? If so, how close are you to Sarah Palins' stop today?

What stop? I don't see anything on the schedule in SE PA today.

384 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:02:35am

re: #354 mrkwong

Run an adhesive peel-off sheet through your printer; instant bumper sticker.

385 notutopia  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:03:17am

re: #332 mama winger

Uninstall and reinstall FFv2.
The same thing was happening to me. I'm on WinXP

386 BBev  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:03:31am

I work construction I may be the boss but I work hard every day and come home dirty and tired. The left has to remember that we are the people that build there homes, there offices we build there sewer and water system and everything that make life comfortable for them so when I here the left putting down us hard working Americans it make me want to go ballistic.

387 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:03:34am

re: #374 sparrowlake

No it is not the main issue in many minds but I think I can see a battle going on on different planes around this election.

388 New Hampshire Dad  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:04:11am

I AM JOE..and I'm mad as Hell.

I'm a business owner that prefers the blue collar aspect of the job than the running of the business part. I prefer jeans and a t-shirt on weekends and hate to wear a coat and tie during the week, but do. I drive a BMW during the week and a Ford F-250 on the weekends. On my own I can lay 8,000 square feet of grass sod, build a post and rail fence, fix anything in the house that breaks then turn right around a close a $100,000 sales contract with a client. I don't care if your black or white. American or Polish. Chinese or Mexican. You put in an honest, hard days work, love and support your family and respect your Country I'll call you my friend. I don't ask for much and I never go looking for trouble...but if trouble ever comes looking for me it better bring some friends. I AM JOE. AND I HATE EVERYTHING ABOUT OBAMA.

389 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:04:25am

re: #303 wolfie

As you know, education schools, outside of being bastions of leftist propaganda, generally draw their students from the lowest level of academic competence.
Teachers are in the bottom rank of the ruling class and therefore are desperate to prove the difference betweem themselves and the ruled ones. (The little corporal syndrome.) They are especially prone to adopting ruling class fashions and to sneering at popular ones. In my area this means hating country music and NASCAR, for example.
Obamania is fashionable. It marks you as superior to the rednecks and hardhats who are bitter and clingy. It distinguishes you as one of the enlightened.
Just my opinion, based on much observation.

You're absolutely right.
Many people, sadly, are teachers for the power or because they liked benefits.
I am a teacher because I love kids and I love to pass on what I know
It's easy to be a mediocre, just putting th time in, teacher. It takes complete dedication to be an excellent teacher--if you're not tired at the end of the day, you're not doing it right.
I aspire to excellence every single day. Last week the guidcance counselors said something I will always cherish: "You like the kids no one else seems to."
I'm not saying this to fish for compliment but to say that I hope that the profession will reform itself soon.

390 notutopia  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:04:33am

re: #355 neocon hippie

Then you are going to be hit the hardest by his tax plan!

391 looking closely  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:05:02am

re: #318 Forever
If not voting for Obama makes you "Racist", then not voting for McCain and Palin makes you "Ageist" and "Sexist".

Its an intellectually bankrupt argument.

392 DistantThunder  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:05:05am

re: #345 notutopia

Mandy, Dr. Erikkson's work is real. His theory of this practice was introduced to me in an Alternative Medicine Course at Advanced Practice Levels of Psychology and Psychiatry. Hypnosis is also taught in some Anesthesia, MD programs for alternative Pain treatment. Psych Ops has used these methods in lengthy interrogations for some time.
The issue here, is it possible that it is realistic for Obama to have had the mentoring and skill practice which is required to master this intentionally, or does/has he come "by it naturally" ?

REad the report and you realize that all his hand signals are coordinated with certain words. Of course Bill Ayers would have known this stuff because it is an important part of propaganda -and revolution.

My dear sweet daughter was hypnotized graduation night by the hired entertainment - and her friends told her that she was barking like a dog.

393 grumpy_old_soldier  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:05:05am

I am Joe, and I am an American. I am a retired soldier who is seething at the prospect of whiny, limp-wristed, bleeding heart, liberal socialists moving this country down a road that can only lead to misery and decay.

Because I am a Joe, and because I support Joe the Plumber's dream and desire of becoming a business owner, and because he and I both reject the notion of "from those according to their ability, to those according to their need" (HT to Karl Marx!), I propose the following:

1) I will contribute $25 to the "Pay The Plumber's Tax Lien" Fund, if someone can set it up.
2) I will contribute $25 to the "Let's Help Joe The Plumber Buy His Business So We Can PISS THE CRAP Out Of The Liberal Socialists" Fund, if someone can set it up, too.

I will VOLUNTARILY contribute this capital towards Joe's dream, to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with a fellow American and reject Obama and his socialist agenda.

At $50 a head, it will take 6000 American anti-socialists to meet the funding goal of $300,000.00 (JtP said his tax lien is a bit less than $2000 and to buy his business would be between $250K and $280K). I know that Charles can probably determine the best way to do this, and with the help of our fellow lizards we can complete this mission. All Charles needs to do is ensure that the hamsters keep turning the wheels.

Who will help me help Joe the Plumber show these Marxists that we do not need their help with our American dreams?

394 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:05:10am

re: #388 New Hampshire Dad

I AM JOE..and I'm mad as Hell.

I'm a business owner that prefers the blue collar aspect of the job than the running of the business part. I prefer jeans and a t-shirt on weekends and hate to wear a coat and tie during the week, but do. I drive a BMW during the week and a Ford F-250 on the weekends. On my own I can lay 8,000 square feet of grass sod, build a post and rail fence, fix anything in the house that breaks then turn right around a close a $100,000 sales contract with a client. I don't care if your black or white. American or Polish. Chinese or Mexican. You put in an honest, hard days work, love and support your family and respect your Country I'll call you my friend. I don't ask for much and I never go looking for trouble...but if trouble ever comes looking for me it better bring some friends. I AM JOE. AND I HATE EVERYTHING ABOUT OBAMA.

w00t

395 realwest  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:05:17am

re: #368 wolfie
Amen to that one! LOL! (although I can get my microwave to work properly most of the time; hate those damn "then switch to half power..." intstructions, though!)!

396 x-wing  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:05:26am

re: #383 Lynn B.

I thought my local news said last night that she was to be in Lancaster today. I was listening to radio, maybe I heard it wrong.

/hard to listen to t.v. news on radio, at least for me.

397 jcm  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:05:33am

J F'in K, Wendy's and Lunch.

Case in point: on Friday, the Kerry campaign bus was passing through Newburgh, north of New York, and stopped at the local Wendy's. That's a fast-food chain.

[snip]

Kerry went over to say hi to some marines, who turned out to be Bush supporters and resented the interruption to their lunch. More telling was Teresa Heinz Kerry. She pointed to the picture of the bowl of chilli above the clerk's head: "What's that?" she asked. He explained that it was something called "chilli" and she said she'd like to try a bowl. The Senator also ordered a Frosty, a chocolate dessert. They toyed with them after a fashion, and then got back on the bus.

[snip]

It then emerged that Wendy's had just been an appetiser. The campaign advance team had ordered 19 five-star lunches from the Newburgh Yacht Club for Kerry, Edwards, Affleck and co to be served back on the bus: shrimp vindaloo, grilled diver sea scallops, prosciutto, wrapped stuffed chicken, etc.
398 looking closely  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:06:02am

re: #328 Ojoe

One explanation in my mind is that Palin has a real faith in the Creator - she has said as much - and this sometimes visibly panics those who have no faith.

If you think about your friends who bash McCain and Palin, do they seem to be people of a deep faith, wether expressed through regular church going or not?

I really do think that there is a very big spiritual battle going on around this election.

What do you think?

Communists ARE Godless, after all.

399 Little Doxie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:06:03am

re: #368 wolfie

Ditto, I'm amazed at how fast things are linked and posted. It takes
me forever to write, spell check, preview and post much less link & copy.
Not to mention hoping that what I wrote isn't off topic by the time I get done.
I am in awe of the Master Lizards. (Kind of like Master Plumbers!)

400 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:06:07am

re: #391 looking closely

If not voting for Obama makes you "Racist", then not voting for McCain and Palin makes you "Ageist" and "Sexist".

Its an intellectually bankrupt argument.

It's a LIBERAL argumehnt ,, so ,, same thing!

401 DistantThunder  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:06:09am

re: #375 sattv4u2

WTF ,,, your post moved my entire screen about 5 inches to the left!

gremlins

402 realwest  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:06:52am

re: #369 DistantThunder
Um hi DistantThunder - I reckon you didn't preview that post cause your link went clean off the right side of the screen!
(it's just ONE of the reasons I use Preview more and more often!).

403 devil in baggy pants  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:07:18am

STAND WITH JOE

404 alien_mind  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:07:21am

re: #87 J.D.

Mark Steyn: Plumber Joe didn't go with the flow


OMG! Steyn had me in stiches on this one.
"Evidently the O-Mighty One was not happy after his encounter with Joe. He's still willing to talk to Ahmadinejad without preconditions. But never again will he talk to Joe the Plumber without preconditions."

405 yma o hyd  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:07:30am

re: #369 DistantThunder

Many thanks for that link - just starting to read it, and came across this:

"Young people and more educated people actually have lower hypnotic subconscious suggestibility thresholds ..." (Para. 3)

That could very well be one explanation for the Joe-the-Plumber 'accident'!

I think B0's constant invasion of his physical opponent's space must come into this - he's always toughing the other, be it in interviews, or be it laying a hand on Joe.

(Gotta read on ...)

406 Knitwit  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:07:38am

The "elites" of this country have no idea how many of us are out here, and they consistently sell us short.

Time for a surprise!

407 DistantThunder  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:07:42am

re: #393 grumpy_old_soldier

I am Joe, and I am an American. I am a retired soldier who is seething at the prospect of whiny, limp-wristed, bleeding heart, liberal socialists moving this country down a road that can only lead to misery and decay.

Because I am a Joe, and because I support Joe the Plumber's dream and desire of becoming a business owner, and because he and I both reject the notion of "from those according to their ability, to those according to their need" (HT to Karl Marx!), I propose the following:

1) I will contribute $25 to the "Pay The Plumber's Tax Lien" Fund, if someone can set it up.
2) I will contribute $25 to the "Let's Help Joe The Plumber Buy His Business So We Can PISS THE CRAP Out Of The Liberal Socialists" Fund, if someone can set it up, too.

I will VOLUNTARILY contribute this capital towards Joe's dream, to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with a fellow American and reject Obama and his socialist agenda.

At $50 a head, it will take 6000 American anti-socialists to meet the funding goal of $300,000.00 (JtP said his tax lien is a bit less than $2000 and to buy his business would be between $250K and $280K). I know that Charles can probably determine the best way to do this, and with the help of our fellow lizards we can complete this mission. All Charles needs to do is ensure that the hamsters keep turning the wheels.

Who will help me help Joe the Plumber show these Marxists that we do not need their help with our American dreams?

Don't forget the gift taxes he would be required to pay - unless there is some tax loophole. (Running very, very slowly today at LGF)

408 saltmarsh  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:08:09am

Everone cannot be Joe, but Obama will never be Joe.

Hire McCain.

409 x-wing  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:08:38am

Oooh, the time. This Joes' gotta get his ass to work.

Later Lizards.

410 looking closely  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:08:46am

re: #392 DistantThunder


My dear sweet daughter was hypnotized graduation night by the hired entertainment - and her friends told her that she was barking like a dog.


Stage hypnosis is a real phenomenon, but absolutely no "magic" whatever is involved.

There are certain individuals who are natural exhibitionists, and "hams", and if you give them a socially acceptable outlet to act out on it or play "make believe" (eg "hypnotizing" them, in front of a crowd), they'll do so.

411 DistantThunder  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:08:51am

re: #402 realwest

Um hi DistantThunder - I reckon you didn't preview that post cause your link went clean off the right side of the screen!
(it's just ONE of the reasons I use Preview more and more often!).

It's fine on my screen - what could I have done that would have created that effect?

412 stanlef  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:09:27am

re: #168 yma o hyd

Wales needs it's "Joe's" too.

413 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:09:35am

re: #397 jcm

jcm- See my #373! GTMA! : )

414 jcm  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:09:45am

re: #408 saltmarsh

Everone cannot be Joe, but Obama will never be Joe.

Hire McCain.

You work The One promised me a share!

*puts feet up, grabs another beer*

///

415 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:10:06am
416 mrkwong  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:10:24am

re: #384 Ojoe

Run an adhesive peel-off sheet through your printer; instant bumper sticker.

It's a start...I may have some of that hidden somewhere...but I think they're clear.

417 realwest  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:10:28am

re: #397 jcm
OMG. Those unbelievable hypocritical s.o.b.'s.
But I can't believe

It then emerged that Wendy's had just been an appetiser. The campaign advance team had ordered 19 five-star lunches from the Newburgh Yacht Club for Kerry, Edwards, Affleck and co to be served back on the bus: shrimp vindaloo, grilled diver sea scallops, prosciutto, wrapped stuffed chicken, etc.


unless the "etc." included Arugala!

418 Knitwit  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:10:29am

St. Louis is my hometown. If Obama were the real deal, he'd have declared how much he likes butter cake.

419 legalpad  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:10:29am

re: #359 jcm


Laffer curve.

That's what I've been talking about! Higher taxes do not necessarily produce more money. I've never seen this study though. Great!

420 alegrias  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:10:45am

re: #340 MandyManners

* * *
Workers of the World were UNITED in their opinion that Marxist gulags sucked--notice how millions of them tried to escape their "workers paradises" including CUBA, a tropical heavenly place until Marxists turned it into a gulag.

Workers of the world FLOCK to the USA for freedom to work & prosper--even without speaking our language or understanding the finer details of our history & constitution.

America is a worker's paradise, unless marxists take over & confiscate your "wealth" and replace your ideas with their marxist maxims.

421 saberi  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:10:55am

I am Joe.

422 mama winger  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:10:59am

re: #354 mrkwong

Anyone got thoughts on a source for bumper stickers from that IAMJOE graphic?

I don't want to get in anyone else's way if it's in progress and obviously there's copyright issues on the graphic, but I want ten, right now.

Click on my name. I have a bumper sticker / T shirt / button store webpage thru Zazzle. If you don't see what you like - let me know and I will make it special for you.

423 Opinionated  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:11:08am

re: #404 alien_mind

OMG! Steyn had me in stiches on this one.
"Evidently the O-Mighty One was not happy after his encounter with Joe. He's still willing to talk to Ahmadinejad without preconditions. But never again will he talk to Joe the Plumber without preconditions."

Clever stuff

"Look, you went to Columbia School of Journalism. This is what we bold, courageous journalists do. We're the conscience of the nation. We speak truth to plumber."

"Er, shouldn't that be 'Speak truth to power'?"

"That's the old edition of the handbook. Now we speak truth to power-tool operators. Joe the Carpenter, Joe the Plasterer, Joe the Electrician … . When you're building utopia, you don't want any builders getting in the way."

424 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:11:09am
425 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:11:10am

re: #380 realwest

I AM sorry my friend, and of course Charles is in California too (as are many lizards with whom I am friends) but, really, how do y'all manage to live - and apparently enjoy it! - in a place with the weird (to me) weather, and the earthquakes, forest fires, mudslides and your State government?
As a relative conservative it would drive me nuts - or nuttier if you rather!

ROTFLMAO... California is like an exceptionally fine beer, it's an acquired taste, with a bouquet of subtle flavors that can overwhelm the taste buds of the unenlightened and naive. Like a fine cigar, it has to be deeply inhaled drawn across the palate with slow deliberation and allowed to drift slowly out the nasal passages.

426 abolitionist  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:11:16am

re: #147 vxbush

I found interesting the section on the Head Tilt gesture which The One uses so often, for telegraphing the subliminal "I am not a threat" message.

Most people have seen this gesture before, even if they don't have a clue about Ayers.

427 Clutch  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:11:25am

I'll be glad to "share the wealth" with anyone that will "share the labor"!

Go Joes of the world! (This includes you Josephines, too...)

428 jcm  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:11:34am

re: #413 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

jcm- See my #373! GTMA! : )

LOL!

429 mama winger  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:12:00am

re: #422 mama winger

"cowboyannie" is my user name at that particular website but don't be confused - it is me.

430 realwest  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:12:06am

re: #411 DistantThunder
I don't know what you coulda done - that's above my paygrade!

431 Little Doxie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:12:07am

re: #388 New Hampshire Dad

Hell Yeh. I'm married to a Joe like you, if you're ever in Wisconsin there
will be a cold one waiting for you, anytime.

432 Mardukhai  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:12:08am

I unclog my own drains, fix the vacuum and other things, but I don't smoke and have all of my hair, for some miraculous reason. I taught my kid to drive, I take the Mrs. shopping, and I grow tomatoes and peppers. On holidays, I go to temple.

I am Joel.

433 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:13:03am

re: #397 jcm

shrimp vindaloo, grilled diver sea scallops, prosciutto, wrapped stuffed chicken,

Nummm.

434 jcm  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:13:07am

re: #419 legalpad

That's what I've been talking about! Higher taxes do not necessarily produce more money. I've never seen this study though. Great!

There have now been now 4 major tax cuts at the Federal Level.
Each time revenue has gone up.

435 realwest  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:13:11am

re: #420 alegrias
Nah, that can't be right - Obama's told us MANY, MANY TIMES how much the rest of the World hates America! Why would they want to come here?!

436 alegrias  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:14:02am

re: #345 notutopia

Mandy, Dr. Erikkson's work is real. His theory of this practice was introduced to me in an Alternative Medicine Course at Advanced Practice Levels of Psychology and Psychiatry. Hypnosis is also taught in some Anesthesia, MD programs for alternative Pain treatment. Psych Ops has used these methods in lengthy interrogations for some time.
The issue here, is it possible that it is realistic for Obama to have had the mentoring and skill practice which is required to master this intentionally, or does/has he come "by it naturally" ?

* * * *
More importantly, even if Obama doesn't mesmerize us all, his marketers, echo chamber of leftist supporters and naive Hoper Changers will try to convince you he is The Answer and The Way, The Truth and the Bringer of All Things.

437 yma o hyd  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:14:12am

re: #412 stanlef

Wales needs it's "Joe's" too.

Yep - but quite a few have forgotten that they are Joes, thanks to NuLab!

438 DistantThunder  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:14:16am

opps - my post did run off the side - I have no idea what happened.

Here is the link to the hynoptist who uses NLP in every day conversation to get people to do what he wants them to do.

Darran Brown's psychological tricks.

439 sparrowlake  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:14:28am

re: #387 Ojoe

I agree and in fairness I forgot to mention the abortion issue, which is essentially a religious issue and is a divisive election issue as well.

440 New Hampshire Dad  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:14:30am

re: #431 Little Doxie

Hell Yeh. I'm married to a Joe like you, if you're ever in Wisconsin there
will be a cold one waiting for you, anytime.

Nothing better than getting to know someone over a few cold beers.

441 jcm  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:15:28am

re: #433 MandyManners

Nummm.

True dat. I'm very partial to vindaloo.

442 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:15:46am

My hubby is a plumber. I am Mrs. Joe!

443 jcm  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:16:05am

re: #438 DistantThunder

opps - my post did run off the side - I have no idea what happened.

Here is the link to the hynoptist who uses NLP in every day conversation to get people to do what he wants them to do.

Darran Brown's psychological tricks.

You Rodgered the thread!

444 gmsc  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:16:18am

re: #369 DistantThunder

Here is a MSM story about mass hypnosis and NLP Neurolinguistic programming.

The soviets were master so this...and now it is revealed in a new report that Obama is using these same techniques to lull his crowds into trances, and "anchoring" to vote for him on Nov. 4th.

Read about the man who does this professionally.

/www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2007/07/26/sci_fi_s eries_opens_derren_browns_bag_of_psychological_tri cks/" target="_blank">www.boston.com...] target="_blank">

Yes, Derren Brown is so good at manipulating people he's in the top of his field of . . . um, claimining and displaying this skill as entertainment.

Funny, Edward Bernays also knew how to psychologically affect people (long before "NLP" was a buzzword). He's the one who got us eating bacon for breakfast, and made it acceptable for women to smoke, among other amazing campaigns.

Bernays never went around entertaining with this skill. He just made it useful in real life, and used it to drive himself to a successful career.

Derren Brown doesn't use his psychological manipulation skills for advancement in marketing or politics for the same reason David Copperfield doesn't use his skill at making large objects disappear to advance in the demolition field.

445 wolfie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:16:22am

re: #343 Tigger2005

I agree, Tigger. The dividing line, as it were, is not between "secular" and "religious."
The (political) question for me is not whether a worldview is secular or religious, but whether it is compatible with the foundational traditions of America.

446 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:17:27am

re: #424 ploome hineni

please post it again...I really want to read it

Here.

447 JustAGal  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:17:40am

late to the thread, but I am Joe and so's my hubby. So's my son and his wife - grandbabe's newish but he'll be Joe too one day.

We're self employed and so far keep 40 families in paychecks and yes, sometimes that's meant not taking checks ourselves. Yup, us self employed folks are plain evil...

448 Intrepid  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:18:18am

re: #168 yma o hyd

Can I be a Joe, too, even though I'm not American? Please?

(There's no proper Welsh translation for 'Joe', sorree ...)

How about "I AM LLOYD!"

heh

449 Shr_Nfr  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:18:29am

re: #151 uncle_monkey

No you need a /keno tag.

450 Little Doxie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:18:58am

re: #393 grumpy_old_soldier

Count me in.
I like to spread my wealth (or lack thereof) around myself, thank you
very much.

451 notutopia  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:19:12am

re: #174 odinga

At the expense of all those 'Mickey mouse' and Doodad contributors!

452 alegrias  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:19:20am

Yo Soy Jose!

Jose (Joe) is one of the most popular names in America--among
Spanish speaking immigrants that is!

John McCain's brother is a Joe, who often called himself Jose Micanyos.

453 celtic templar  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:19:30am

I am Joe.

I am not Barry Soetero, citizen of Indonesia and Democratic nominee for President of U.S.

Michelle concedes that Barry was born in Hawaii, but adopted by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia. And that we're all racists for making it an issue.

And that is item #1 of an extensive list of reasons why he is not fit for President.

454 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:19:33am
455 BBev  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:19:36am

re: #422 mama winger

Click on my name. I have a bumper sticker / T shirt / button store webpage thru Zazzle. If you don't see what you like - let me know and I will make it special for you.

Nice website

456 realwest  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:20:27am

re: #425 doriangrey
Geez dorian

it has to be deeply inhaled drawn across the palate with slow deliberation and allowed to drift slowly out the nasal passages.

I'd forgotten all about the smog! LOL!
Hey serious question here - I keep hearing about all the "clean air requirements" that the California State Government has put into place, so how come when Ojoe puts up a photo of LA from the Mt. Wilson Observatory I still see what looks like low clouds over the City?!
;')

457 Intrepid  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:20:40am

re: #321 reine.de.tout

Yes, for me. And Ploome said it was freezing up on her.

Me too. Really slow to get new comments, and posting a comment takes forever. And an upding takes a few seconds instead of showing up almost immediately.

Weekend hamster crew, maybe?

458 Gmac  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:20:52am

I am Joe because I choose to live within my abilities and dream big.

459 KB55  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:20:52am

I am Joe!

Go to PBS & Vote for Sarah--as ussual the astroturfers are ganging the vote

460 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:21:03am
461 Son of the Black Dog  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:21:07am

re: #407 DistantThunder

Don't forget the gift taxes he would be required to pay - unless there is some tax loophole. (Running very, very slowly today at LGF)

No gift tax liability for anyone in this situation.

462 jcm  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:21:20am

re: #447 JustAGal

We did you fix your nic?

I liked the "k"!

463 legalpad  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:21:32am

OK - Who knows a good Plumber in Austin, Texas?

464 alegrias  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:22:11am

re: #447 JustAGal

late to the thread, but I am Joe and so's my hubby. So's my son and his wife - grandbabe's newish but he'll be Joe too one day.

We're self employed and so far keep 40 families in paychecks and yes, sometimes that's meant not taking checks ourselves. Yup, us self employed folks are plain evil...

* * *
Thank you for multiplying the wealth and increasing the pie!

God bless you for giving 40 families the opportunity to work & succeed following your example of sacrifice, creativity & hard work.

May you be paid back many times over & succeed beyond your wildest dreams for your generosity.

465 JustAGal  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:22:45am

re: #462 jcm

not sure I follow?

466 DistantThunder  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:22:57am

What I thought was fascinating is how Obama uses a a Trance theme to deliberately put his audience in a trance to make them susceptible to his suggestions.

A trance theme is him describing himself in a trance-like situation. "I was sitting quietly, (the audience is sitting quietly) thinking to myself, looking at the breeze blow through the trees..." the audience follows his lead and falls into a light trance. But then he deliberately using words and phrases that by-pass the logical rational guard to the mind. It is a very subtle, complex intentional process that he then anchors with very specific physical gestures so that the "commands" are imbedded into the subconscious.

This is very deliberate.

467 realwest  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:23:15am

re: #432 Mardukhai
"I am Joel."
ROFL!

468 jcm  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:23:26am

re: #465 JustAGal

not sure I follow?

Did your nic used to be justagak? Or are you someone else?

469 notutopia  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:23:52am

re: #392 DistantThunder

That is when hypnosis is used as a parlour trick or by ILLUSIONISTS in magic tricks! Tell her to recount the process for you step by step that she has memory of. She will eventually be able to remember the unconscious behavior when it is forced into her conscious mind. Oh, and don't willingly allow it again.

470 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:24:18am
471 JustAGal  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:24:54am

re: #464 alegrias

gosh, thanks. Too bad we can't hire all Joe's - man, there are some arrogrant Obama voter 'workers' we have. And they're very happy to take my pie and could give a crap if we get paid or not. On the other hand, we have some great folks and we've watched their families grow up - yea, it's worth it.

472 realwest  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:25:27am

re: #442 Pvt Bin Jammin
Hey PBJ - Na, you too are a "Joe" or "Josephine" if you will.
It's not the name, it's the attitude!

473 KB55  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:25:32am

Anyone else from the LSS watchin' the Aggies/Raiders? What a game!

/who'd a thunk it?

474 yma o hyd  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:25:35am

re: #448 Intrepid

How about "I AM LLOYD!"

heh

Wouldn't mind that - Lloyds is a Bank here in the UK!

475 JustAGal  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:25:40am

re: #468 jcm

ha! Nope, always been JustAGal - always will be too.

476 JSK1121  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:25:57am

re: #470 ploome hineni

there is no adoption in islam

I'll be there is if the child was born a Muslim like Obama was. Born a Muslim, adopted by a Muslim, laying down to Muslims now. Nothing to see here...

477 jcm  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:26:27am

re: #475 JustAGal

ha! Nope, always been JustAGal - always will be too.

LOL, there's a lizard with JustaGak, the wanted to have your nic but had a typo.

478 alegrias  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:26:52am

re: #456 realwest

Geez dorian


I'd forgotten all about the smog! LOL!
Hey serious question here - I keep hearing about all the "clean air requirements" that the California State Government has put into place, so how come when Ojoe puts up a photo of LA from the Mt. Wilson Observatory I still see what looks like low clouds over the City?!
;')

* * *
Dear RealWest,

LA is in a kind of bowl or has mountains that keep much of that dirty air mass hanging overhead, unable to dissipate or blow over. Mexico City is apparently in the same "boat" minus any pollution prevention measures.

When I lived there before the Environmental Protection Agency and clean air were priorities, we had "Smog Days" that kept us out of school because of poor air quality.

479 notutopia  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:27:01am

re: #466 DistantThunder

Does it change your opinion of him? Do you see him any clearer for who he really is?

480 DistantThunder  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:27:04am

re: #469 notutopia

That is when hypnosis is used as a parlour trick or by ILLUSIONISTS in magic tricks! Tell her to recount the process for you step by step that she has memory of. She will eventually be able to remember the unconscious behavior when it is forced into her conscious mind. Oh, and don't willingly allow it again.

It's very powerful and invasive - and she said she's never do it again.

481 gmsc  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:27:21am

re: #474 yma o hyd

Wouldn't mind that - Lloyds is a the Bank here in the UK!

Fixed that for you. I hear they have a nice little side business in insurance, too.
;)

482 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:27:36am

re: #432 Mardukhai

I unclog my own drains, fix the vacuum and other things, but I don't smoke and have all of my hair, for some miraculous reason. I taught my kid to drive, I take the Mrs. shopping, and I grow tomatoes and peppers. On holidays, I go to temple.

I am Joel.

I am clogging my veins with red meat and dark beer I some cigars and drive my corvette way to fast. Yes

I am the very model of a modern Joe Citizen,
I've eaten just about everything vegetable, animal, and mineral,
I know the kings of Rock and Roll, and I quote the concerts historical
From Aerosmith to Y&T, in order categorical;
I'm very well acquainted, too, with matters anatomical,
I understand the female form, both the simple and phenomenal,
About poly-tonal theorem I'm teeming with a lot o' news,
With many cheerful facts about the squares of the rawmuse.


heh...heh...heh...

483 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:27:53am

re: #466 DistantThunder

What I thought was fascinating is how Obama uses a a Trance theme to deliberately put his audience in a trance to make them susceptible to his suggestions.

A trance theme is him describing himself in a trance-like situation. "I was sitting quietly, (the audience is sitting quietly) thinking to myself, looking at the breeze blow through the trees..." the audience follows his lead and falls into a light trance. But then he deliberately using words and phrases that by-pass the logical rational guard to the mind. It is a very subtle, complex intentional process that he then anchors with very specific physical gestures so that the "commands" are imbedded into the subconscious.

This is very deliberate.

I was once out strolling one very hot summer's day
When I thought I'd lay myself down to rest
in a big field of tall grass
I lay there in the sun and felt it caressing my face
And I fell asleep and dreamed

484 Immolate  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:28:04am

I AM JOE.

When the shit hits the fan, you will turn to me because, afraid or not, I will stand up and do what has to be done.

When you are in trouble, I will not walk past, pretending not to see you.

I know that speaking truth to power means to be harshly treated because of it.

I am not perfect. Neither are you. Neither are they.

I am an American. I would kill or die to preserve America. Where I come from, that is considered to be good.

I don't trust what I read in the newspapers or see on television because too many of the people involved in those things are untrustworthy.

I don't like the word "nuance". I am not stupid, but I am not nuanced.

I like the words "right", "wrong", "good" and "evil". I believe in them.

I don't think that we are bailing out Wall Street. I think we are bailing out the government.

I don't cling to guns or religion. My rights to both are guaranteed by the US Constitution, so I can hold them loosely.

I have always been proud of America.

485 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:29:01am

re: #472 realwest

Yep, I'm a Joe too and I sure know what it's like out there for small business owners. 28 years in business as of last month.

486 NoSubmission  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:29:07am

I've posted this story before but I'd like to share it again in solidarity with Joe the plumber.

When I was a kid my mother sent me to a summer camp for 3 week in CT for inner city kids. I loved camp and what kept me going were the 'care packages' from home. My single hard working mother would buy my favorite candy, gum and Mad Magazines and wrap them up nice in a box with brown paper and twine sent 'special delivery'. One time the hippie camp counselor said that if I didn't share my candy with the whole cabin, she would take it away. I said that I would not and she took it from me. So that night I sneaked into her bunk and grabbed my candy back. Why should my mother have provided treats for everyone when it was intended for me.

487 satan sidekick  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:29:08am

re: #85 livefreeor die

I am Joe. I actually own a business that makes more than 250k (not much more) but I employ 4 people besides myself on that money.

I know for a fact that the local sandwich shop makes about $400k per year and employs 10 people.

Obama/Biden are clueless about business. At least Cindy McCain and Sarah Palin actually own businesses.

I also live in the Live Free or Die state of NH

488 realwest  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:29:09am

re: #457 Intrepid
Geez, I'm sorry to hear all y'all are having trouble and don't understand why, as a very humble IE 7 user, I'm not?!

489 JustAGal  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:29:10am

re: #484 Immolate

Thank you JOE !

490 KB55  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:29:27am

re: #482 doriangrey


LOL, oh I say, well done!

491 DistantThunder  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:29:36am

re: #479 notutopia

Does it change your opinion of him? Do you see him any clearer for who he really is?


I understand what psychops is - I've studied it - I see what this is.

492 yma o hyd  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:30:06am

re: #481 gmsc

Fixed that for you. I hear they have a nice little side business in insurance, too.
;)

Yep - and are trying to take over some big Scottish outfit which just got a huge sum from the Government our tax monies ..

As banks go, they're pretty good though, conservative and staid. No sub-prime loans, for a start.

493 Lynn B.  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:30:12am

re: #359 jcm


Laffer curve.

Thanks. That's a great exposition of the economic impact of tax rates. Highly recommended reading material. I was talking about something a little different, though, that it doesn't seem Laffer includes in his analysis. He says:

Between these two extremes there are two tax rates that will collect the same amount of revenue: a high tax rate on a small tax base and a low tax rate on a large tax base.

But that assumes the same levels of compliance on the part of the small base paying the high rate and the large base paying the low rate. I'm suggesting that's not realistic. Most of the large base paying the low rate has neither the incentive nor the wherewithal to engage in tax shelter schemes, whereas in a progressive tax system most (or at least the top-heavy top) of the small base paying the high rate has both the incentive and the wherewithal (as well as the justifiable perception of unfairness). I'm suggesting that puts a sizable dent in the upper half of the curve, so that in reality the high rate on the small base will likely collect substantially less than the low rate on the large base. Add in the costs of attempting to increase enforcement and net revenue falls even more.

494 Outrider  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:30:20am

OT A query in regards to GOPTRUNK

Some quick questions.

Has anyone ordered McCain/Palin merchandise from this company?

Did you get what you ordered?

Was it placed on back order?

495 debutaunt  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:30:26am

re: #447 JustAGal

late to the thread, but I am Joe and so's my hubby. So's my son and his wife - grandbabe's newish but he'll be Joe too one day.

We're self employed and so far keep 40 families in paychecks and yes, sometimes that's meant not taking checks ourselves. Yup, us self employed folks are plain evil...

The self-employeed are always paid last.

496 KB55  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:30:45am

re: #483 MandyManners

Guud wuun! MandyManners is on it!

497 realwest  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:30:59am

re: #459 KB55Now tied at 49% each!

498 yma o hyd  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:31:47am

re: #482 doriangrey

I am clogging my veins with red meat and dark beer I some cigars and drive my corvette way to fast. Yes

I am the very model of a modern Joe Citizen,
I've eaten just about everything vegetable, animal, and mineral,
I know the kings of Rock and Roll, and I quote the concerts historical
From Aerosmith to Y&T, in order categorical;
I'm very well acquainted, too, with matters anatomical,
I understand the female form, both the simple and phenomenal,
About poly-tonal theorem I'm teeming with a lot o' news,
With many cheerful facts about the squares of the rawmuse.


heh...heh...heh...

(And taking a nifty little leaf out of Gilbert & Sullivan, teeheehee!)

499 mama winger  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:31:53am

re: #455 BBev

Nice website


thank you :)

it gives me an outlet for my twisted mind - is this a great country or what ?!

LOL

500 notutopia  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:31:56am

re: #483 MandyManners

Great example Mandy! Thanks for the song flashback!

501 KB55  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:32:01am

re: #484 Immolate


You are the Joe™!

502 ciaospirit  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:32:02am

Thanks, Charles. This is a great thread.

503 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:32:26am

I am Joe XXXL.

504 loppyd  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:32:41am

Good Saturday Afternoon Lizard Nation!

HELL YEAH I AM JOE!

505 realwest  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:32:49am

re: #466 DistantThunder
Do you really think he's smart enough to do that? Really?!

506 mama winger  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:32:54am

re: #494 Outrider

OT A query in regards to GOPTRUNK

Some quick questions.

Has anyone ordered McCain/Palin merchandise from this company?

Did you get what you ordered?

Was it placed on back order?

Now why would you want to order from them when you can order from me ? :)

507 Lynn B.  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:32:55am

re: #396 x-wing

I thought my local news said last night that she was to be in Lancaster today. I was listening to radio, maybe I heard it wrong.

/hard to listen to t.v. news on radio, at least for me.

Well if anyone else knows anything about this, please provide info! I'm less than an hour from Lancaster.

508 satan sidekick  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:33:07am

re: #447 JustAGal

I haven't had a raise in three years and yet I give my employees raises and bonuses. So I understand where you're coming from. I have gone without pay to make sure they got paid too.

509 Spiny Norman  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:33:28am

re: #478 alegrias

* * *
Dear RealWest,

LA is in a kind of bowl or has mountains that keep much of that dirty air mass hanging overhead, unable to dissipate or blow over. Mexico City is apparently in the same "boat" minus any pollution prevention measures.

When I lived there before the Environmental Protection Agency and clean air were priorities, we had "Smog Days" that kept us out of school because of poor air quality.

I remember very well the "third stage smog alerts" of the 1970s. It air would get so bad playing in the schoolyard during recess could make breathing literally painful. LA still has smog, but nothing like 30 years ago.

510 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:33:35am

re: #486 NoSubmission

I've posted this story before but I'd like to share it again in solidarity with Joe the plumber.

When I was a kid my mother sent me to a summer camp for 3 week in CT for inner city kids. I loved camp and what kept me going were the 'care packages' from home. My single hard working mother would buy my favorite candy, gum and Mad Magazines and wrap them up nice in a box with brown paper and twine sent 'special delivery'. One time the hippie camp counselor said that if I didn't share my candy with the whole cabin, she would take it away. I said that I would not and she took it from me. So that night I sneaked into her bunk and grabbed my candy back. Why should my mother have provided treats for everyone when it was intended for me.

I'd have peed in her shoes.

511 Carolina Kathy  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:33:44am

Just saw John McCain in the Concord, NC rally. I shook his hand and told Cindy McCain she is my hero. It was a great rally, news says 7,000, but it was more like 10,000. I was in the front row behind the stage. The crowd was on fire.

BTW I work in the local GOP office as a volunteer, the tickets for this event were gone in a few hours. Lots of democrats coming in and saying this was the first time they were voting for a republican. The GOP office was full of people for most of the day, people coming in for their second and third set of signs (the Obots don't believe in the 1st Amendment).

A popular hat at the rally was "Plumber Joe, I'm here to flush taxes" - my hubby had one. "No to socialism" - common theme today. If McCain hammers on that for the next two weeks, we will win this thing.

512 wolfie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:33:48am

re: #482 doriangrey

"kingS of rock and roll?" kingS?
Blasphemy!
There is only ONE King of Rock and Roll,
and, by the way,
I saw him last summer at a 7-11 outside Mobile.


(otherwide a fine, fine poem!)

513 ciaospirit  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:34:08am

We love Joe.

514 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:34:10am

re: #498 yma o hyd

(And taking a nifty little leaf out of Gilbert & Sullivan, teeheehee!)

ROTFLMAO... Yes, it somehow just jumped into my head...

515 yah  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:34:23am

re: #471 JustAGal

I work for an employer like you. They treat us so well with special lunches and diners, and time off. They are really struggling to make the rent and payroll right now, and with cutbacks there is a little more work for us to do. But it the lazy ones that never extend themselves to help out or work one extra minute that are complaining!

516 jcm  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:34:43am

re: #493 Lynn B.

The other problem with a small heavily taxed base it's much more volatile. She you rely so much on a few, if a small number of the few have trouble the impact on revenue is disproportionate.

517 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:35:04am

re: #496 KB55

re: #500 notutopia

For some reason that song just came to me when I read DT's post.

518 JustAGal  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:35:23am

re: #508 satan sidekick

That's it for sure - we sacrifice so we can be on our own more or less and come up with new ideas to make more money and grow in the future. I'm p'd off because now people think that sounds filthy...make more money and grow

***PUKE***

519 yma o hyd  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:35:55am

re: #512 wolfie

"kingS of rock and roll?" kingS?
Blasphemy!
There is only ONE King of Rock and Roll,
and, by the way,
I saw him last summer at a 7-11 outside Mobile.


(otherwide a fine, fine poem!)

Whaaa?
Elvis is still alive?

520 DistantThunder  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:36:29am

re: #505 realwest

Do you really think he's smart enough to do that? Really?!

It's training...it's words...he's been coached. It's not rocket science. Use of HIdden hypnosis techniques in Obama's speeches.

521 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:36:51am

re: #512 wolfie

"kingS of rock and roll?" kingS?
Blasphemy!
There is only ONE King of Rock and Roll,
and, by the way,
I saw him last summer at a 7-11 outside Mobile.


Barry Manilow?

522 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:36:59am
523 KB55  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:37:06am

re: #497 realwest
Good, it's where it was a while ago--I always find it interesting after the debates, I'd get up around 4AM and the polls would have huge margins for That One or Joe the Senator, but as US smarter folks that had gone to bed over night, got up got our caffeine and logged on, eventually (usually by 10AM) McCain or Palin were ahead--and probably not clearing caches to vote more than once.

524 mama winger  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:37:21am

re: #520 DistantThunder

It's training...it's words...he's been coached. It's not rocket science. Use of HIdden hypnosis techniques in Obama's speeches.

wow

wow

525 alegrias  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:37:54am

I am Trader Joe.

(hehehe, yuppies' kind of "fair trade" store)

Don't tell Spanish Manchego Cheese producers that Trader Joe's is selling CowChego made of non-sheep cheese, or Zapatero the appeasenik will withdraw his support of Obama.

526 wolfie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:37:56am

re: #503 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Stop drinking all that beer, FBV !

527 realwest  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:38:00am

re: #478 alegrias
Dear Alegrias - when did we become so formal, and more importantly, why?
Yeah, I remember that bowl effect now that you've mentioned it -sorta like there's no where to go - I know there's a techinical name for it, but am having a senior moment here - temperature inversion or something?
Anyway, I'm just joshing you California folks but my question about the clean air was semi-serious - Lord, I've read where California has the strictest air
standards in the World and in fact some automobiles can't be made Smog compliant or whatever.

528 Padre  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:38:10am

I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!

So I went to log onto myspace (yeah I know, I know, but I have friends there even though facebook is much better)

Anyway, I missplelled it as mysopace.com and GUESS WHAT!

Directed me right to obama's website.

Ahhh. Puke.

529 NoSubmission  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:38:45am

re: #511 Carolina Kathy

Just saw John McCain in the Concord, NC rally. I shook his hand and told Cindy McCain she is my hero. It was a great rally, news says 7,000, but it was more like 10,000. I was in the front row behind the stage. The crowd was on fire.

BTW I work in the local GOP office as a volunteer, the tickets for this event were gone in a few hours. Lots of democrats coming in and saying this was the first time they were voting for a republican. The GOP office was full of people for most of the day, people coming in for their second and third set of signs (the Obots don't believe in the 1st Amendment).

A popular hat at the rally was "Plumber Joe, I'm here to flush taxes" - my hubby had one. "No to socialism" - common theme today. If McCain hammers on that for the next two weeks, we will win this thing.

That's great news! I wish I could have been there. Great to hear that some Dems are coming to their senses.

530 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:39:13am

re: #456 realwest

Geez dorian

I'd forgotten all about the smog! LOL!
Hey serious question here - I keep hearing about all the "clean air requirements" that the California State Government has put into place, so how come when Ojoe puts up a photo of LA from the Mt. Wilson Observatory I still see what looks like low clouds over the City?!
;')

It's because L.A. is a basin, funny thing is when Cabrillo first sailed into what is now Long Beach harbor he noted the smog hanging over what would become L.A... Our pollution control laws are the strictest in the world, it makes keeping an older car on the road a real headache.

531 KB55  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:39:16am

re: #511 Carolina Kathy
Good on you--You are Joe!

532 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:39:21am

re: #520 DistantThunder

It's training...it's words...he's been coached. It's not rocket science. Use of HIdden hypnosis techniques in Obama's speeches.

Does it work better on stupid people? From what I've seen, I'm thinking it does.

533 yma o hyd  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:39:26am

re: #514 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO... Yes, it somehow just jumped into my head...

Its totally understandable - some of their songs are simply immortal.
Every time someone speaks of making a list ... well, 'that' song just pops into my head, unbidden.
Can't help it.
Great artists, the both of them - and outstanding pi$$-takers, especially Sullivan in regard to the Holy Cows of Continental Music ...

534 alien_mind  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:39:30am

Obama can add another piece to his "bitter clingers" mantra that he tells to the sophicates in San Fran. Not only are these middle-America types in flyover country clinging to guns and religion, but some of them are also stubbornly clinging to their hard-earned money.

/the nerve of these unpatriotic rubes

535 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:39:59am

re: #405 yma o hyd

I saw Sen. Obama touch Joe's shoulder - at least once.

536 realwest  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:40:31am

re: #482 doriangrey
Hey, btw, how did your 'vette do on the Smog test or whatever you had to go through?!

537 Devolving One  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:40:56am

I am Joe.

An Indiana native, son of an iron worker - I've been a "cart boy" at a Venture department store, an employee at a Jiffy Lube, a motorcycle mechanic, a supply-truck driver, an enlisted man in the Navy, and a youth pastor. I have a wife of 20 years and two sons, 15 and 17 years old. I believe a PhD can never make-up for a lack of common sense, and that a man with experience is never at the mercy of a man with a theory.

I own guns.

538 wolfie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:41:05am

re: #519 yma o hyd

Whaaa?
Elvis is still alive?

Heh! That's what some say!

re: #521 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Barry Manilow?

I'm going to pretend I didn't read that.

539 alegrias  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:41:43am

re: #511 Carolina Kathy

Just saw John McCain in the Concord, NC rally. I shook his hand and told Cindy McCain she is my hero. It was a great rally, news says 7,000, but it was more like 10,000. I was in the front row behind the stage. The crowd was on fire.

BTW I work in the local GOP office as a volunteer, the tickets for this event were gone in a few hours. Lots of democrats coming in and saying this was the first time they were voting for a republican. The GOP office was full of people for most of the day, people coming in for their second and third set of signs (the Obots don't believe in the 1st Amendment).

A popular hat at the rally was "Plumber Joe, I'm here to flush taxes" - my hubby had one. "No to socialism" - common theme today. If McCain hammers on that for the next two weeks, we will win this thing.

* * *
Good to hear, Kathy--my understanding was North Carolina was now Obama country--a One Party state--where never is heard a discouraging word (like McCain-Palin) because yard signs are stolen like here in Northern Jihadist Virginia!

540 Outrider  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:41:49am

re: #506 mama winger

Now why would you want to order from them when you can order from me ? :)

I had heard some stories about this company. It seems to be owned by a company named Tigereye out of Greenville, Ohio. TigerEye produces Obama campaign material and owns another company, democratstuff.com that sells the Obama campaign material on line and their mission statement claims they are in business to help Democrats win.

When I googled GOPtrunk.com I saw many complaints of customers not getting their goods or being backlogged, as well as encountering stalls.

I'm just curious about this company.

541 yma o hyd  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:42:15am

re: #532 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Does it work better on stupid people? From what I've seen, I'm thinking it does.

No - its the other way round, the young and highly educated seem to be more susceptible - thats why it didn't 'work' on Joe the Plumber!

542 notutopia  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:42:22am

re: #491 DistantThunder

It's what you do in BEHAVIOR with your beliefs, knowledge and wisdom that either makes and shapes you into a safe mentor or clinician. Know thyself first! You have to make a conscious choice of your path and at what consequences both yours or others you are willing to take in practice: I because I am spiritually centered, consider doing no harm, or, healthy vs. mal. I think he's premeditated and mal from his behavioral history.

543 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:43:06am

re: #536 realwest

Hey, btw, how did your 'vette do on the Smog test or whatever you had to go through?!

Havent done it yet this year, but it shouldn't be a problem, the engine is only about 3 years old and has less then 10,000 miles on it.

544 alien_mind  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:44:06am

re: #505 realwest

Do you really think he's smart enough to do that? Really?!

sure. how do you think he has come this far? he is using thuggish tactics combined with verbal sleight of hand and charisma to convince the weak-minded that he is actually some kind of savior with a plan. the frightening part is seeing how many otherwise intelligent people have fallen for it.

545 yma o hyd  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:44:06am

re: #535 Cap'n DOC

I saw Sen. Obama touch Joe's shoulder - at least once.

Yep - I saw that as well.
B0 always tries to touch the other, he did that in his interviews with whoever-on-FOX as well. He seems to try ahrd to get into the other person's personal space - loathsome on principle!

546 wolfie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:44:22am

re: #541 yma o hyd

No - its the other way round, the young and highly educated seem to be more susceptible - thats why it didn't 'work' on Joe the Plumber!

A perfect definition of stupid, especially inthe literal sense of "as being in a stupor, divorced from reality."

547 notutopia  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:44:40am

re: #517 MandyManners

Subconsciously?

548 alegrias  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:44:56am

re: #518 JustAGal

That's it for sure - we sacrifice so we can be on our own more or less and come up with new ideas to make more money and grow in the future. I'm p'd off because now people think that sounds filthy...make more money and grow

***PUKE***

* * *
Please don't puke--Stand up tall & proud! YOU are like our founding fathers who came here to make their own way. You are the citizen who makes this country grow. You power our nation and arm our soldiers and make us the envy of the planet.

549 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:45:23am

re: #535 Cap'n DOC

Ick.

550 Intrepid  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:45:28am

Egads - the Obamas certainly aren't Joe!

Abe Lincoln outspent Michelle Obama on room service!

Of course, the Lincoln's room service bill was for one month's worth of meals, and for their whole family.

As opposed to the Obama's one dinner consisting of lobster, Iranian caviar, and champagne.

551 Outrider  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:45:45am

great, I just get started and the thread dies on me. ;-)>

552 bbuddha  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:45:47am

re: #486 NoSubmission

Good for you, from a single mother who sacrificed to send my daughter treats when she went to camp. I know if they had stolen her stuff I would have had to kick some a$$.

553 Lynn B.  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:46:07am

re: #516 jcm

The other problem with a small heavily taxed base it's much more volatile. She you rely so much on a few, if a small number of the few have trouble the impact on revenue is disproportionate.

Yep. Or when a not so small number has mega-trouble, like, oh, I don't know, their portfolios losing 40% of their value in just a few months. Not that anything like that could happen ...

Capital gains taxes only raise revenues when taxpayers realize gains. If you try to tax big corporations into the dirt, their shareholders lose money, take losses, reduce their taxable income ... their employees lose jobs, take unemployment, reduce their taxable income ...

554 anotherindyfilmguy  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:46:11am

Off the wall thought but I'm wondering if the Joe the plumber piece for SNL was leaked to gauge the possible backlash if they go the wrong way with it...
If anyone is paying attention from SNL their best course would be to mock the O for not being able to deal with the question and mock the MSM for their attempting to destroy an average person for asking a simple question... mebbe like a mob boss thing...
Joe - so you're a socialist then right?
O' - well if you put it that way maybe-um-um-um well um...
Media1 intervening - So Mr. Joe, nice life you had here... we've heard rumors that you beat your wife and kids every night in an alcoholic stupor is that true?
Media2 - (cutting of Joe) So Mr. Joe whens the last time you beat your wife?
Media3 - Ooh-Mr. Joe when was the last time you had a beer?
Joe - (looking down at beer in hand) - Um, just before you guys came into my backyard without being asked-
Media1 - So it's true! Joe is a wife beating alcoholic!
Joe - Can you assholes just get out of my backyard please?
(media starts setting up chairs and tents)
Media2 - (listening to cellphone while speaking) Mr Joe I've heard you owe some back taxes-oh wait a second-OH! Not only do you owe some back taxes but a lien was just placed on you property and their faxing us a copy of the indictments...
Joe - Indictments?
Media2 - something about being drunk and a public nuisance.. and domestic violence allegations...
Police show up and cuff Joe.
Joe - we were just paying football when they showed up here officer!
etc

555 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:46:31am

King James Remington.

BBL

556 KB55  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:46:42am

re: #532 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Well, FBV, there seems to be millions of stupid people (according to the polls), so I'd say YES?

557 notutopia  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:47:35am

re: #556 KB55

"Ignorant" until proved Stupid.

558 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:48:33am

re: #551 Outrider

great, I just get started and the thread dies on me. ;-)>

This is not the dead thread you knew... /Obama NLP mind trick...

559 alegrias  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:48:38am

re: #527 realwest

Dear Alegrias - when did we become so formal, and more importantly, why?
Yeah, I remember that bowl effect now that you've mentioned it -sorta like there's no where to go - I know there's a techinical name for it, but am having a senior moment here - temperature inversion or something?
Anyway, I'm just joshing you California folks but my question about the clean air was semi-serious - Lord, I've read where California has the strictest air
standards in the World and in fact some automobiles can't be made Smog compliant or whatever.

* * *
Dear Realwest--we're not formal, amigo, I'm just calling you Dear because I'm always happy to find you here at Charles' great Little Green Footballs and I respect you lots.

You're dear to me, and I don't mean as in Dear Leader kind of personality cultism!

560 BBev  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:48:38am

re: #447 JustAGal

late to the thread, but I am Joe and so's my hubby. So's my son and his wife - grandbabe's newish but he'll be Joe too one day.

We're self employed and so far keep 40 families in paychecks and yes, sometimes that's meant not taking checks ourselves. Yup, us self employed folks are plain evil...

You evil evil business owner you. How dare you support 40 family's with a pay check ;-)

561 anubis_soundwave  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:49:27am

Yo. Joe.

Reagan was president, and cartoons didn't always star a kid.

/I love the 80s. :D

562 realwest  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:50:44am

re: #515 yah Well then the lazy ones should be the first to be let go!
A long, long time ago, in a galaxy far, far -well anyway, about 10 years or so ago, when I was a partner in a law firm (and hence "self-employed" according to the IRS) we had a -fortunately brief - turndown in business and at a partners meeting, it was decided that the less productive employees - those who came in, did their jobs and left - never volunteering to help anyone else out - be the first to be laid off.
And, to my surprise, those who DID work hard and DID appreciate the bonuses we gave out (literally out of our own pockets) were the most appreciative.
If you work hard, it's almost impossible, I think, for you to like or respect those who do the same kind of work you do, who don't work hard.
Folks who want to get ahead in life - however you choose to define that - are always the most motivated and ususally the most productive.

563 alegrias  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:52:52am

re: #530 doriangrey

It's because L.A. is a basin, funny thing is when Cabrillo first sailed into what is now Long Beach harbor he noted the smog hanging over what would become L.A... Our pollution control laws are the strictest in the world, it makes keeping an older car on the road a real headache.

* * *
Speaking of who cause pollution & disease in this world, I'd venture that long before Columbus and the Conquistadores made contact with our continent, Mayan human sacrifices & marijuana smoking & tobacco smoking by Native Americans and Native Central Americans and Native South Americans probably caused lots of cancer & pollution.

564 realwest  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:53:32am

re: #559 alegrias
Whew! Thanks - I feel the same way about you, too!

565 realwest  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:54:18am

Woops lunch (and more chores!) await - hope you all have a GREAT DAY and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

566 KB55  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:55:22am

You too, RW--Keep up The JOE!

567 doriangrey  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:55:28am

re: #563 alegrias

* * *
Speaking of who cause pollution & disease in this world, I'd venture that long before Columbus and the Conquistadores made contact with our continent, Mayan human sacrifices & marijuana smoking & tobacco smoking by Native Americans and Native Central Americans and Native South Americans probably caused lots of cancer & pollution.

And don't forget the Bison flatulence...

568 Irish Rose  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:56:30am

I'm one of those "working poor" folks that Barack Obama is so keen to "help", and you know what?

I don't WANT his goddamn help.

I want a decent job with decent wages and health insurance... not another government handout. I've been that route, I've known what it means to live with the endless, numbing cycle of poverty that goes along with "public assistance" and as God as my witness, I will NEVER go that route again.

I AM JOE!

And what I want are government policies that will decrease taxes, decrease the level of government intrusion into private lives, freeze government spending, overhaul and reassess government programs top to bottom, and put a stop to sanctioned government thuggery and pork barrel earmarks NOW.

And most importantly... I want government policies that make it easier for small businesses in every state to thrive, flourish, and create more jobs. Jobs that people like me need to provide for our families, obtain decent health insurance, and conduct our lives with a small measure of happiness, comfort and dignity. I want it for me, and I want it for my children.

I don't want Barack Obama to punish the "rich" because you know what? I respect the rich. I respect people who work hard all of their adult lives to save and invest, build their fortunes, and purchase small businesses that employ workers. And so should our government. I want their rights respected because I might be one of them someday.

I want their rights respected because it's wrong to forceably rape those who provide the jobs that sustain our economy, so that the people in this country who reject opportunity in order to stay on the dole for years on end can have a better life than those of us who work hard every day and live responsibly..

Read this, you MSM asswipes, and understand it well.

I AM JOE!

And I reject your overt thuggery and your leftist, liberal socialism.

I AM JOE!

When you attack him, you attack me... you attack all of us.

And by God, it will not be allowed to stand!

569 KB55  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:57:54am

re: #568 Irish Rose

You tell 'em, Joe.

We are Joe!

570 Devolving One  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:58:39am

re: #133 DistantThunder

Great link. Another very good source is authorityresearch.com

Dean Gotcher is highly knowledgeable and teaches about this kind of thing, particularly as it regards the Hegelian Dialectic, Marx, etc, and the transformation of culture through manipulation of language. Dean comes from a Biblically Christian perspective, as do I - if that is not your "thing," there is still much to be gleaned. Just eat the meat and spit out the bones.

571 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:01:24pm

re: #521 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Barry Manilow?

Writing that comment made the young girls cry, FBV.

572 Irish Rose  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:01:31pm

Dear John McCain:

If you win, I highly suggest that you consider giving Joe Wurzelbacher a cabinet appointment.

573 yah  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:01:31pm

re: #562 realwest


If you work hard, it's almost impossible, I think, for you to like or respect those who do the same kind of work you do, who don't work hard.

I am having a hard time with that. I try not to show my resentment, but I just don't have a poker face. I have to work even harder to take up for their slack. I am sure its the same everywhere. That is the way our whole country is going.

574 boogereatinmoron  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:03:19pm

I am Joe and so is my wife.

So are my three brothers, one of whom really is Joe. Joe the doctor but Joe nonetheless.

575 WeddingGuy  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:04:03pm

I Am Joe.

576 stuiec  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:05:08pm

re: #310 Ben Hur

Wealth isn't spread with a butter knife.

Oh, yeah?

577 AceR  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:06:24pm

I am not Joe. But I am a retired American who calls people like Joe to come and fix things I own that don't work. You know, guys like Joe the electrician or Joe the automotive tech and yes, even Joe the plumber. They live in my little town of 5,000 and I know them well.

I also have a dentist who owns a small business and employs 4 people (a receptionist, 2 dental techs, and a cleaning woman).

I also shop at the same grocery store that Joe the electrician and Joe the dentist shops at and we wave at each other as we check out. I say "Hey" to Joe the local hardware store owner when I pick up things I need, and I also visit Joe the local family-run restaurant owner who employs less than 20 people and serves delicious home-cooked meals.

I am Joe America, and I am mad as hell that Obama wants to increase taxes on anyone in this great country so he and his greedy government cronies like Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, Frank can spread the wealth around through stupid government programs and pork barrel projects.

I spread my "wealth" around just fine by patronizing local businesses run by regular "Joe's", and by giving to local charities in my area. Why should I trust Obama to know better how to spend my money than me?

Wake up, America! If Obama is elected and he raises taxes on small businesses, you will see lots of little mom and pop shops bite the dust. These small business owners are my friends, my neighbors, and my fellow Americans and they deserve better from our government.

578 satan sidekick  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:06:50pm

re: #573 yah

Years ago I worked as a Technical Editor and had twice the amount of work piled on me because I was a "hard worker" as opposed to thise who took 2 hour lunches. I finally got fed up, found another job and gave my notice. When I was asked why I was leaving I made the mistake of telling my boss the truth. I was ostracized by my peers for "shaking things up".

579 stuiec  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:07:00pm

Palin/Plumber 2012.

580 rustynail  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:08:04pm

re: #329 sattv4u2

I was, but then I increased the size of my Vodka glass!

Funny how so many problems can be solved in that way! LOL

581 yah  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:09:07pm

re: #576 stuiec

Oh, yeah?

What a comeback!

582 favorednation  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:10:51pm

I would like to send Joe money since he lost his job. Has anyone else organized an effort?

583 abolitionist  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:10:59pm

re: #554 anotherindyfilmguy

Off the wall thought but I'm wondering if the Joe the plumber piece for SNL was leaked to gauge the possible backlash if they go the wrong way with it...
[snip]

That's really good but you're making it too easy for the army of The One.

584 aaron  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:11:03pm

Here is the I Am Joe graphic, turned into a square (more or less) for those who need something in that shape. Widths range from 800px wide to 100px wide.

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

585 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:11:51pm

re: #568 Irish Rose

1,000 up-dings.

586 Catttt  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:12:16pm

I am Joe!

587 poopeedoo  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:13:17pm

Bravo Iowahawk! *clap* *clap* *clap*

Let's ALL flood the newspapers with, "I am Joe".

588 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:13:43pm

I like Joe the Plumber. He's the embodiment of a hard working, patriotic American: always cleaning up after other people's shit.

Yarr! I be Joe!

589 capitalist piglet  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:13:52pm

I wish the guy who created that graphic would put it on a t-shirt we could buy (he wants to make sure that any proceeds from it go to Joe, as I understand it - I'd love to see that happen, myself)...I can't drive around Seattle with this on my car, because I can't always be around to protect it - but I would damn sure where it on my person.

590 yah  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:16:08pm

re: #578 satan sidekick

I have known very few managers who know how to manage people. Seems like the lazy people are the real managers - they know how to manipulate others

591 favorednation  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:16:18pm

What about campaign signs?

592 arethusa  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:17:10pm

Hey, forget Joe: Obama has tax problems too.

"...the press did not bat an eye at when Barack Obama's tax returns showed what appears to be a clear violation of Illinois ethics law. Specifically, Obama reported significant income from "speaking fees" on his 2000 and 2002 tax returns, even though, as a state legislator, he was barred from receiving honoraria and speaking fees at the time."

I was not aware of this. Anyone know anything more?

593 poopeedoo  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:17:21pm

re: #577 AceR

Fantastic, AceR. Updings for you!

594 madmama  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:18:15pm

I just sent Joe a check!
You can find his address in the white pages in Ohio...he lives in Holland and as you know, his first name is Samuel.
Just thought I'd help him with that tax lean...and also send him a letter expressing my solidarity with him and telling him not to get discouraged, that there are millions of us who have his back!
Maybe 'this one' can help us defeat 'THAT ONE'!

595 boogereatinmoron  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:19:24pm

I haven't heard much talk about people like by brother Joe the doctor. He worked his way through college in a sawmill and then joined the army because it was the only way he could afford med school. He did eight years in the army and left to enter private practice and is now well established and making more than $250,000 while working an average 60 hour week as he has for 15 years. He is now thinking about how many days a week he would need to work to earn $240,000. He probably won't cut back because he has employees that need five days of work every week and patients that need care and he is a man of principle and responsibility but I wonder how many succesful people will decide that it is just not worth it. Hell of a way to stimulate a sluggish economy.

596 KB55  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:19:59pm

re: #589 capitalist piglet

Me too.

Hadn't heard about losing the job, is there a link for that?

597 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:20:13pm
598 rabidfox  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:21:37pm

I am Joe.

599 favorednation  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:21:43pm

I just ran his name in whitepages and it said no entries for him. Can someone email me Joe's address so I can send him a check as well?

600 Red Square  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:24:38pm

I am Iosif.

601 BBev  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:26:45pm

re: #499 mama winger

thank you :)

it gives me an outlet for my twisted mind - is this a great country or what ?!

LOL

Yes it is. I'm starting a Jewelery business for my wife to do when and if she ever starts feeling better and would like to email you about your web site set up if you don't mind.

602 bungie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:27:15pm

re: #369 DistantThunder

Here is a MSM story about mass hypnosis and NLP Neurolinguistic programming.

The soviets were master so this...and now it is revealed in a new report that Obama is using these same techniques to lull his crowds into trances, and "anchoring" to vote for him on Nov. 4th.

Read about the man who does this professionally.

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"These are not the Druids you want. . . "

I haven't made my way through the entire thread so I apologize if I missed this, but Distant Thunder who wrote this pdf paper? I printed it, all 67 pages but can't find an author. What is that about?

603 AceR  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:28:17pm

re: #595 boogereatinmoron

Great point...thanks for including it here.
Updings for you...

604 BBev  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:28:58pm

re: #568 Irish Rose

Well said.

605 madmama  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:30:08pm

#599
hi...I just emailed you Joe's address...for any others interested, I just looked up his name in the Ohio white pages...first looked under Toledo but then it came up as in Holland. It also listed some previous addresses and indeed he lived in Alaska.
Go Joe...I hope you become rich out of this!

606 Jinx  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:30:20pm

The greatest tragedy about "Joe the plumber" is what has happened to the guy after he dared pose a question to Obama, and I will say this goes for either side of the spectrum.

By using his 1st amendment rights, and because he was at an opportune place to meet Obama, "Joe the plumber" was able to pose a simple question about what might happen to him if he bought the business he worked at and made over $250k. The exchange was broadcast all over America, unsurprisingly. However, what happened after this little exchange is appalling. The media whorehounds dug through "Joe the plumber's" life to find any little dirt they could find on the guy. And find they did. The guy was delinquent on taxes, he didn't have an official plumbing license. The question is: how does this remain relevant to the question "Joe the plumber" posed? The answer is simple: none.

What the media's reaction to "Joe the plumber" and his question demonstrates is a willful ability and audacity to dig through "Joe the plumber's" life to find anything to besmirch him or to denigrate him, something to take away his voice or his ability to ask a very valid question. That witch hunt, that dirt digging, the silencing of one's voice all because "Joe the plumber" had the temerity to raise his voice and pose a question.

The lesson is evident. Raise your voice, raise a question, and you will be torn apart.

Who are you to pose your questions?

I am"Joe the plumber," indeed. I stand in solidarity with "Joe the plumber."

607 favorednation  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:32:15pm

Thanks! I hope this guy makes MORE than $250k as a result of this.

608 KB55  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:32:58pm

re: #605 madmama

You're a real Joe, MadMama

609 Lorca  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:34:47pm

I am Joe. And this ain't over yet.

610 nnorb  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:35:11pm

I AM JOE!

611 KB55  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:41:02pm

God bless Joe.

BBL, gotta snooze a bit.

612 alegrias  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:41:13pm

re: #594 madmama

I just sent Joe a check!
You can find his address in the white pages in Ohio...he lives in Holland and as you know, his first name is Samuel.
Just thought I'd help him with that tax lean...and also send him a letter expressing my solidarity with him and telling him not to get discouraged, that there are millions of us who have his back!
Maybe 'this one' can help us defeat 'THAT ONE'!

* * * *
God Bless you for taking direct action to help Joe live his American Dream after Obama's team tried to ruin his life & drag him through the democrat inquisition.

McCain just mentioned Obama's supporters attacks on Joe the Plumber moments ago while speaking in Woodbridge, Virginia--

613 Lynn B.  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:42:45pm

re: #396 x-wing

I thought my local news said last night that she was to be in Lancaster today. I was listening to radio, maybe I heard it wrong.

/hard to listen to t.v. news on radio, at least for me.

Nope, you got it exactly right. She was in Lancaster this morning.

Then she headed for NY for her SNL appearance.

Dammit! The campaign is not too good at letting us know about these events. I definitely would have gone.

614 boogereatinmoron  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:45:05pm

Sarah is Joe.

John wouldn't mind being Joe.

Joe used to be Joe but he isn't anymore.

Barack never was Joe and never will be and doesn't like Joe or anyone that knows Joe.

615 alegrias  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:45:05pm

re: #613 Lynn B.

Nope, you got it exactly right. She was in Lancaster this morning.

Then she headed for NY for her SNL appearance.

Dammit! The campaign is not too good at letting us know about these events. I definitely would have gone.

* * *
If you want to know about local McCain events, hurry up &
Contact the McCain campaign website & you'll probably get advance notice. Contact your local GOP party and you will get advance notice.

616 Lynn B.  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:47:00pm

Idiotic spin from CNN:

"So when he left Joe's neighborhood in Toledo, our opponent didn't look real happy," Palin, speaking in Pennsylvania, said of Obama. "Seems that the staged photo-op there got ruined by a real person's question," she said.

"So here's a guy working -- standing there in his neighborhood when a candidate for president shows up and he wanted more than just a handshake and a campaign button. He wanted some answers."

If that scenario sounds familiar, it's because a strikingly similar thing happened to Palin on September 27 in Philadelphia at one of her own staged photo-ops, when Temple graduate student Michael Rovito approached the governor at a cheese-steak shop to ask her opinions on cross-border raids into Pakistan to hunt terrorists.

Palin told Rovito the United States should "absolutely" attack within Pakistan to stop terrorists, a position at odds with McCain's. The remark was picked up by a network camera crew and caused a headache for the GOP ticket. Staffers were forced to explain the two candidates' apparently conflicting views in a national television interview days later.

Strikingly similar? This kid approachinh Palin at a cheese-steak shop and putting her on the spot is "strikingly similar" to Obama striding up to a guy on his own front lawn and trying to schmooze him?

Sickening.

617 capitalist piglet  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:47:33pm

re: #592 arethusa

Hey, forget Joe: Obama has tax problems too.


I was not aware of this. Anyone know anything more?

Well, well, well...

618 Lynn B.  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:48:37pm

re: #615 alegrias

* * *
If you want to know about local McCain events, hurry up &
Contact the McCain campaign website & you'll probably get advance notice. Contact your local GOP party and you will get advance notice.

I did. That's the point. I get advance notice of some events, several phone calls and emails sometimes in fact. About this one, nada.

619 Lynn B.  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:49:24pm

re: #616 Lynn B.

Sorry. Forgot the link.

620 RightLogic  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:56:36pm

I am Joe.

621 shakespeare_101  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:57:46pm

I am Joe

622 Ron Shaw  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 12:59:12pm

I AM JOE!

623 Rancher  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 1:03:34pm

re: #592 arethusa
So? Obama's a candidate, leave his personal life alone!

624 ackomanyuki  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 1:05:51pm

I AM JOE...

...and if Barry wins, I and my wife will become petit John Galts.

625 Jamie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 1:07:31pm

I am Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.

626 alegrias  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 1:07:36pm

re: #618 Lynn B.

I did. That's the point. I get advance notice of some events, several phone calls and emails sometimes in fact. About this one, nada.

* * *
Whoops! In that case, now is the time for all good people to come to the aid of their country, errr, McCain campaign!

627 leereyno  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 1:08:45pm

I am Joe. I am an American. I am a card carrying NRA member. And I vote.

628 madmax517  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 1:08:47pm

I AM JOE


Hey Joe...where you going with that gun in your hand? Love how the left is going bonkers bashing one citizen named Joe who merely asked a pertinent question of the Anointed Neophyte and leftists are so pissed off that the mask fell off that they must assassinate Joe's character. Wake up America!

OT- anyone know why Patterico is down all day?

629 big L  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 1:08:57pm

One of the tennis-champ Williams sisters met frmr Pres Clinton. she asked him if he couldn't get with congress to drop the tax rate that she and he sister were in.
Clinton just stammered and hemmed and hawed.

630 donna quixote  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 1:10:32pm

My doctor is Joe. So is the sheriff. I never name my cars but this one will be Joe. Both the doctor and the sheriff are staunch Republicans.

631 Capoftex  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 1:11:05pm

I AM JOE!

And if NObama gets into office, we will all be Joe. In deep $hit.

632 The Archivist  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 1:14:59pm

The O's no Joe!

633 Strike Hornet  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 1:16:59pm

I am Joe!

634 Gus 802  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 1:21:56pm

Nice sticker. Go Joe!

By the way. Apparently Obama's plumber was speaking about Joe during the week. His name is Tony Dunn who works for Boersma Plumbing & Heating Services, LLC in Chicago. I did a search in the Chicago BBB and found this:

BBB Accreditation Status

On May 30, 2008 this company's [Boersma] accreditation in BBB was revoked by BBB's Board of Directors due to failure to respond to one or more customer complaints filed with the BBB.

BBB Status: Unsatisfactory

635 favorednation  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 1:22:56pm

Here's a copy of the letter I sent to Joe. Is anyone else going to write a letter today?

Mr. Wurzelbacher,

You are a true patriot! When I heard about you losing your job as a result of your interaction with that moron running for president for the dems I was outraged. If you lived here in Texas you would probably have more work than you could do. I hope you will accept this check as a small token of my (The Nation’s) appreciation. We ALL owe you a debt of gratitude for standing up to 0 and this is the least I can do. May you collect MORE than $250k this year. Good luck to you and your family and God Bless!


Respectfully,

636 Gus 802  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 1:27:36pm

Corretction on #634

Tony Dunn should read Troy Dunn.

637 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 1:29:41pm
638 WindHorse  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 1:30:38pm

Did Joe the Plumber really lose his job over this?

Link please.

639 satan sidekick  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 1:31:38pm

re: #635 favorednation

I found Joe's address and am planning to send him a $25 check. He has re-ignited the anger in me about how Obama is deceiving and plans to rip us off. Obama also "forgets" to tell people how he plans to let the Bush tax cuts expire as well as raise payroll taxes via social security/medicare by costing workers and employers more money.
Can you imagine the cluelessness or arrogance to tell some working stiff that he needs to spread the wealth? Meanwhile his Kenya family lives in squalor. Maybe he needs to spread some of that 4mil he and the "lovely" Michelle earned last year to his own family. Sickening.

640 devil in baggy pants  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 1:31:50pm

I am Joe.

I am from Ohio. I enlisted in the US Army on my 17th birthday so I could leave for boot camp on my 18th. I served proudly in the 82nd for 7 years, fighting in Panama and Desert Shield/Storm. I got out of the military after Clinton was elected.

After I got out, my wife, kids, and I were poorer than we had been in the military (those of you who were in know what I'm talking about). I worked as a route salesman for a soft drink company, a furniture store as a delivery guy, and finally landed an apprentice position in the construction industry. My wife couldn't work because it would have cost more to put the kids in day care than she would have made.

We were on federal assistance for about 3 years, needing food stamps and Medicaid to make it. It killed me to see my wife having to tear out food stamps to pay for groceries. I swore we would get off assistance if it killed me.

We moved to where there was more opportunity for me, and I have pretty much made more every year than the year before, with the exception of the year when I joined my trade's union (how's THAT for irony?!?)

I have busted my ass, worked long hours, asked for overtime, and now travel for my job in order to take care of my family. We have a 2000+ SF house, 3 cars, and are doing well.

It is MY money. I work like hell to make it. If I want to give some away to churches and charities to help others, I will (and DO).

I also own a few nugs and will fight to protect what I EARNED through God's good graces.

Don't try to take it from Joe or from me... you WILL be met with resistance.

641 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 1:36:04pm
642 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 1:37:31pm
643 Quilly Mammoth  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 1:37:49pm

Joe Wurzelbacher gets slimed because he asked The Chosen One what would happen if his dream came true and he made $250K. The Glorious Messiah answered:"It's not that I want to punish your success, I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance for success, too. I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."

I'm in the building trades myself.

I Am Joe.

I dream about a future where I make that sort of money and it turns into a nightmare when I realize The Chosen One is going to be standing there with his hand out to punish me for my success.

I Am Joe!

644 favorednation  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 1:38:50pm

re: #639 satan sidekick

Great! If everyone here and other blogs sends something this guy and his family will be set for awhile. Maybe they will be able to buy that business and fire the one who fired him. LOL

645 Tigger2005  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 1:41:20pm

re: #616 Lynn B.

Idiotic spin from CNN:

Strikingly similar? This kid approachinh Palin at a cheese-steak shop and putting her on the spot is "strikingly similar" to Obama striding up to a guy on his own front lawn and trying to schmooze him?

Sickening.

Who the hell is Michael Rovito? Why hasn't the media dished any dirt about him? I demand dirt, dammit!

646 Tigger2005  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 1:42:00pm

re: #644 favorednation

Great! If everyone here and other blogs sends something this guy and his family will be set for awhile. Maybe they will be able to buy that business and fire the one who fired him. LOL

Has he actually been fired, though?

647 WindHorse  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 1:42:56pm

I am Joe.

648 favorednation  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 1:43:52pm

re: #646 Tigger2005

yes it was in an article yesterday. I'll try to find it.

649 madmax517  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 1:47:44pm

re: #638 WindHorse

Hotair has a story about Toledo division of building inspection will tell Jpe he can't work without a license. Funny that no one said squat about Obama taking monies for speeches and such while state senator despite ethics rules against about it. He did report the money on tax filings. Double standards and hypocrisy? Say it ain't so Joe.


As an aside vis a vis Obama's sharing the wealth- should the Messiah give McCain some of those campaign funds since he is outspending McCain by 4:1 margin? WLS at Patterico had a post about O income and outflow of expenses for campaign and it appears O gets away with being billed and not paying.

650 imploder  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 1:48:16pm

got my Joe on

651 WindHorse  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 1:50:55pm

re: #649 madmax517

thanks.

It is funny how some people are "more equal".

(spit)

652 favorednation  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 1:51:13pm

[Link: www.paxparabellum.com...]

653 Quilly Mammoth  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 2:01:27pm

Why Joe might lose his job.

The Moonbats and the dwellers of the Fever Swamps uncovered that Joe might not have completed his apprentice training. Technically the City of Toledo is saying that Joe can't work solo under his boss's license. Anyone in the trades knows that in reality helpers work all the time on their own and the boss comes and inspects the work. That's how they learn and grow.

And I don't anyone who says "I'm an apprentice plumber" or "I'm an apprentice carpenter". When they strap on the tool belt that call themselves plumbers, carpenters and electricians. And no one mocks them for it at Bob Bar and Grill down the street. But they do in Obama Land.

654 devil in baggy pants  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 2:05:43pm

re: #653 Quilly Mammoth

You are exactly right.

655 davinvalkri  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 2:06:34pm

I am Joe!

/Go, Joe!

656 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 2:18:37pm

re: #592 arethusa

Look here please.

*FLASH*

657 Joe Triscari  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 2:26:49pm

I don't comment often because this site moves so fast, anything I have to say has often already been said more eloquently but in this case, since repetition is the point... see login name.

658 mas  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 2:27:05pm

I am Joe Ann :-)

659 mas  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 2:28:30pm

It's not just Joe the plumber, it's Pat the carpet layer and Steve the Butcher and Wolfgang the mechanic, and Sally the on-line saleslady and Evan the electrician and Jane the cake baker.

These are all average "joes".

McCain needs to be all inclusive and include all "joe 6-pack" Americans

660 Lynn B.  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 2:29:13pm

Excuse me, but ...

Since when do you need a license in this country to express an opinion?

Since when do you need a professional certificate of completion to ask a question?

Since when do you need to have all your taxes paid up to vote?

Do any of these attacks on Mr. Wurzelbacher have any bearing on the validity of his challenge to Obama, the soundness of his reasoning or the authenticity of his aspirations? No. None whatsoever.

So they're just a pathetic attempt to change the subject. A distraction, if you will. Funny how that only seems to be a bad word when it's applied to the efforts of those who don't worship blindly at the feet of BO.

661 EdwardK  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 2:32:33pm

GOT JOE? AMERICA HAS, THANK GOD!

662 Occasional Reader  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 2:35:08pm

I am not Joe. There, I said it.

I am, demographically, everything the Obama campaign loves to love; an inside-the-Beltway attorney with a couple of fancy sheepskins hanging on my office wall, a registered Democrat since I was 18, and yes, I even used to be an NPR "member".

But you know what, Barry? I trust Joe. And I don't trust you.

663 Occasional Reader  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 2:38:03pm

re: #616 Lynn B.

And CNN lies, to boot:

Palin told Rovito the United States should "absolutely" attack within Pakistan to stop terrorists, a position at odds with McCain's.

Uh, no, it's not at odds with McCain's position. McCain's position is that Barry shouldn't have been chattering about it out loud. Now, arguably, Palin shouldn't be, either, but that's not the same as saying McCain does not support hunting down terrorists in Pakistan. Lies.

664 BBev  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 2:40:46pm

re: #637 taxfreekiller

McCain/Palin

Joe the Plumber can not do it alone,
The great sprit put the words in Obamas head,
Obama has been lusting to show his street commie Creed,

He gave you this head start the great spirit via Obamas ego, now you act.

In Nevada the kidnapped 11 year old by MEXICAN DRUG DEALERS
ITS A DRUG MOB HIT, THE GRAND FATHER STOLE MILLIONS OF THE
DRUG MONEY, NOW THE DRUG WARS ARE INSIDE AMERICA YOU MUST STRIKE FIRST.

PUT OUT AN ADD ASP,

"OBAMA SUPPORTS DRIVERS LICENSES FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS"

SARAH AND I DO NOT, AS YOU KNOW I NOW UNDERSTAND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT THE BORDER SECURE, SARAH AND I WILL DO THAT IT WILL BE A PRIORITY.

No more just that, make Obama and his commies respond before you say more. When he lies, hit that, stay on this and Joe the Plumber to Nov. 4th

If you do you win, so say taxfreekiller in the open on the Internet.

Amen to all of that. WE ARE AMERICA, THE HOME OF THE FREE AND THE BRAVE

665 BBev  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 2:46:18pm

re: #662 Occasional Reader

I am not Joe. There, I said it.

I am, demographically, everything the Obama campaign loves to love; an inside-the-Beltway attorney with a couple of fancy sheepskins hanging on my office wall, a registered Democrat since I was 18, and yes, I even used to be an NPR "member".

But you know what, Barry? I trust Joe. And I don't trust you.

Holly crap! are you one of my brothers, my whole family are either Doctors or lawyers my old man was the head of the state DimoRat committee in the early 70's and all I can say to you is FU?

666 swamprat  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 2:53:33pm

Next on PBS(not);

I am Joe's ballot.

667 Strike Hornet  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 2:55:16pm

I could not let this thread die at 666
so here is 667

Just doin' my part!
I am Joe!
;)

668 Capitalistincharge  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 2:55:49pm

I am Joe. I'm a single mother of two. I got them through college and got them both happily married. Then I went after my American Dream and started my own business. We've had steady growth over the last two years and I now have 4 people on payroll. To accomplish the next growth phase, in 2009, I need to invest in some equipment and product. If we work hard I think we can do it and then I will be able to hire another person. If Obama raises the taxes on my small business, that is the payroll for two people. This means instead of hiring another person, I will have to lay someone off if I want to invest in equipment and inventory. Output will stagnate. I work 70 hours a week and doing the best I can. The Government has already borrowed $700 Billion, with a B, from me and the rest of the hard working Americans. I say no more. I will keep my money, thank you very much, and spend the rest, as I need, to keep success an option for myself and my employees. So, Senator Obama, I reject your suggestion that I give you more in taxes so you can spread my wealth around. It's called Socialism. I am going to continue to giveto charity to help those who can't help themselves. I object to the Government taking my hard earned money to give to the charities of their choice. I've always been able to take care of my self, my kids, my folks and those who depend on me. No, Senator, you can not have my piece of the pie. Period.

669 madmax517  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 2:56:56pm

re: #665 BBev

so what is your problem with that? Are you just being sarcastic? He said that Barry Hussein was a horse's ass, in so many words. Personally I think lawyers are the ruination of the country. Read somewhere that biggest business in California was Legal. Think about it- Michelle, Biden, Obama, J. Edwards etc. -all elitist shysters. Oooohhh, The Breck Girl can channel dead kids and reap millions from that talent.

670 LGoPs  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 2:58:47pm

re: #331 realwest

Nope, I'd druther live where I do and where I suspect most of you do too (although - and no disrespect to California Lizards - not in California; wildfires, mudslides, earthquakes, smog and the government of the entire State).

Yeah, but the weather is nice here (in CA)...sheesh. I moved here under protest from one of the prettiest places in the world - Seattle - and all my friends could console me with is that the weather's nice. I tell them that I can buy an umbrella for $20 bucks and not have to put up with all the other bullshit down here. All to no avail...

671 capefear  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 3:13:43pm

I am josephine and I speak for my husband, who is a retired plumber and for my three children and their spouses. WE ALL VOTE!

672 Conserve Liberty  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 3:27:28pm

My father is Joe - and my grandfather is Joe.

They sent me East to High School on a scholarship - I am the 1st in my family to to graduate.

They sent me East to college on a scholarship - 1st to graduate there too.

I would be called an elite if you didn't know me. You fly over me daily, because I came home.

My children are Joe.

I am Joe.

673 whitehatguy  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 3:35:05pm

I told my wife yesterday that thousands of Joes should stand up and defy
the left to investigate them, and that it would be great to get a I am Joe
rally going for next Saturday all over the country. Picture that: tens of thousands of I am Joes in dozens of cities all over the country. But I ain't
no community organizer to pull it together.

AKA Joe the Businessman

674 KB55  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 3:38:26pm

re: #662 Occasional Reader

Hear, Hear!™

675 right_on_target  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 3:47:30pm

I am Joe

676 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 3:49:06pm
677 quickjustice  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 3:54:17pm

re: #602 bungie

Wow! I've read the paper on Obama using techniques of mass hypnosis in his speeches (60% of his language is hypnotic), and it is very persuasive! He equals or exceeds Adolf Hitler in his skill set! (Hitler was literally and consciously a hypnotic speaker.)

That's not to say that Obama is literally Hitler, but hypnotic speech is extremely powerful in influencing the subconscious, and not at all logical.

This explains his "messianic" following. They've all been hypnotized by an extremely clever and manipulative practitioner. This is unethical when used in this way and for this purpose, and is very dangerous.

Because it is due to his skillful use of mass hypnosis, the mass support for Obama is literally irrational and dangerous. Hypnotized people will break all the rules to carry out the commands of the master. Talk about "mind-numbed robots"!

678 THX-42  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 3:55:42pm

Here's something else the MSM and the elites don't get: Sarah Palin is Joe. That's why they are absurdly piling on trying to belittle her. They don't realize that her "Joeness" is precisely why we love her.

This country NEEDS a "Joe President". No more Senator Government. No more Harvard or Yale lawyers. We want Joe!

679 Gozer the Carpathian  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 3:58:01pm

I am Joe. In fact it's my middle name too! So yeah, call me Joe, the NASA guy.

But what we are besides being Joes doesn't really matter. What matters is we have every right to question those who want to lead us as those darn stuffed suits in the media!

So let's hear it for Joe and all the other Joes like him!

680 Lynn B.  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 3:59:28pm

re: #662 Occasional Reader

I am not Joe. There, I said it.

I am, demographically, everything the Obama campaign loves to love; an inside-the-Beltway attorney with a couple of fancy sheepskins hanging on my office wall, a registered Democrat since I was 18, and yes, I even used to be an NPR "member".

But you know what, Barry? I trust Joe. And I don't trust you.

Ha! Ditto on everything except the inside-the-Beltway part. Philadelphia is close enough though.

681 Winslow  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 4:01:43pm

re: #677 quickjustice

"He's a by-God spellbinder!"

--Meredith Willson, The Music Man

682 Lynn B.  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 4:02:43pm

re: #663 Occasional Reader

And CNN lies, to boot:

Uh, no, it's not at odds with McCain's position. McCain's position is that Barry shouldn't have been chattering about it out loud. Now, arguably, Palin shouldn't be, either, but that's not the same as saying McCain does not support hunting down terrorists in Pakistan. Lies.

Thank you! I suspected as much but didn't have time to look it up. That article is a textbook example of MSM pandering, distortion and BS in the service of BO.

683 quickjustice  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 4:10:18pm

re: #681 Winslow

The article about Obama using mass hypnosis on his audiences, linked above, is too long, and is very technical, but is persuasive.

The importance of this is that it is extremely unethical and manipulative to hypnotize people without their consent, to implant subconscious "vote for me" commands in their subconscious. "Manchurian Candidate" anyone?

This may explain Obama's missing academic transcripts, and those gaps in his life. He may have received extremely sophisticated training in mass hypnosis.

684 sbvft contributor  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 4:40:00pm

I AM JOE

685 Zonie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 4:43:13pm

I am Joe, too. God bless him.

0bama is afraid of a plumber. What a punk.

686 phlegn  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 4:45:53pm

I am Joe as well, and I've come up with a way to help him with his tax trouble. I've got a Joe the Plumber graphic here which links to a cafepress site. Ten percent of all profit goes directly to Joe.

687 LEGION  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 4:50:11pm

Heh, well my middle name IS Joe--- the the rest of the libs I say- Joe Mamma!

688 Aussie Infidel  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 5:39:36pm

I am 'Crocodile Joe -dee'!

That's not a knife election campaign Zero-bama, THIS is a KNIFE election campaign

689 Rose Parade  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 5:41:16pm

I am Joe and I am also Sarah. And I will remain so even if Obama gets elected. God bless America!

690 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 5:56:21pm

re: #689 Rose Parade

God will be with us wether Mr. "punished with a baby" is elected or not.

691 bungie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 6:04:50pm

re: #677 quickjustice

I'm skeptical about this paper. Distant Thunder posted it at post #133, but the paper has no author listed, it is attributed to no one which makes me very skeptical.

I've asked about this, but don't see a response yet (unless I missed it.)
Who wrote this? It cites in an authoritative way and it is persuasive, but still where does it come from? The links to Hitler's 1933 speech and the hand gestures were interesting. But when I clicked on the corresponding link to Obama's angry speech (Democratic convention in 94?), the page was gone.

I think the first thing you have to look at when you read something is the source, who wrote it, who's behind it. So I don't know about this. I wish Distant Thunder would tell us where he got this.

692 mattThaHatter  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 6:44:33pm

I am Joe's raging bile duct.

(anybody gat a Tums?)

693 Aussie Infidel  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 7:13:14pm

re: #662 Occasional Reader

I am not Joe. There, I said it.

I am, demographically, everything the Obama campaign loves to love; an inside-the-Beltway attorney with a couple of fancy sheepskins hanging on my office wall, a registered Democrat since I was 18, and yes, I even used to be an NPR "member".

But you know what, Barry? I trust Joe. And I don't trust you.

Dumb lawyer.

EVERYONE knows that sheepskins go on the floor NOT on the wall!


Sheeesh!

sarc//

694 Lynn B.  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 7:39:30pm

re: #691 bungie

I think the first thing you have to look at when you read something is the source, who wrote it, who's behind it. So I don't know about this. I wish Distant Thunder would tell us where he got this.

I'm pretty sure DT is a she, but hopefully she'll check back in and respond.

695 bcgirl  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 7:41:16pm

i am late but I AM JOE (well actually jill)

(dear other "joe the six term senator" this american JILL spent my saturday walking the beat for John McCain, and will now take a nap so i can work my part time three letter word and send even more money to the mavericks!

696 AReadyRepub  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 8:52:04pm

Reply to Patriotic Naturalized American
Talk radio station in Toledo, Ohio already has a website up to take donations for Joe's tax debt $1200 and Joe's plumbing license $500. I saw this last night but did not bookmark it. Darn. Probably collected a lot more than needed by now. All overage (over $1700) goes to charity.
Joe also has a website. Google it I guess as I didn't bookmark that either. I was so disgusted my brain took a hike. Reading all the blogs though shows a focus to kill the messenger by diverting the answer to the question. Not one time did I see the answer in over 500 blogs.

697 Rancher  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:17:03pm

I AM JOE!

I AM JOE! I work for $7 an hour as a front desk clerk/maintenance man. I have $1600 $1300 (thanks Dems) in a mutual fund. That mutual fund's capital gains will be taxed under Obama before I even see the money. Even before capital gains are taxed Obama will tax any oil companies in the fund. Any companies in the fund that make over $250,000, which is every company in the fund, will now be required to provide health care for employees or get taxed on their payroll for a government plan. My employer, a family hotel business that currently offers no benefits, makes over $250,000. Will I be required to pay part of any plan Obama mandates? At $7 an hour I can't afford to have anything else deducted from my check. If I wanted health insurance I could quit drinking and buy it. It's my damn responsibility and choice. Now I have to worry that my boss may cut back on the number of employees he has and just give the rest more overtime. I was last hired so I will be first fired.


I also drive 70 miles a day to work and back. Tax the big bad oil companies? Hey stupid, the oil companies, or any company you tax, will eventually pass that cost on to the consumer or go out of business. I certainly make less than $250,000 and yet I can already see where Obama will stress my paycheck, my savings, my 401K and maybe my job. The fact that he has bought off millions of voters by saying he will share the wealth, i.e. cut them a check, doesn't work for me. I know that Marxism has never worked. My niece however, who will vote for the first time, if she votes, will vote for Obama. Why? She doesn't like rich people. The class envy the Democrats have been pushing for years has come home to roost.

698 willpowwow  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:24:03pm

Hey Rancher, I'm sorry there's not union to help you with that $7/hour job that offers no benefits.

699 willpowwow  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:36:16pm

Sure Joe, come on over and fix my plumbing, I don't care that you don't have a license. Screw those union jerks who went to all the trouble to get a license and demonstrate their competence! Hey, and take your pay under the table, it's every man for himself, right? Why should you fork over any of your hard-earned pay so some dumb old f@rt can take it in social security, medicare, housing assistance, meals-on-wheels, etc. And screw the highway system, and the national defense budget, and all that other government nonsense. I can play football, I'm a red-blooded patriot, not like those pansy college people with their fancy coffee!

Oh yeah, and I smoke! And drink! You got a problem with that? What's the matter, your kid get hit by a drunk driver or something? Your dad die of lung cancer? I'm proud of the fact that I have the freedom to demonstrate my stupidity by ignoring the scientific evidence that smoking will kill me - it proves that I am a maverick at all costs!

700 mama winger  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:48:05pm

re: #699 willpowwow

re: #699 willpowwow

I don't care that you don't have a license. Screw those union jerks who went to all the trouble to get a license and demonstrate their competence!

I am surprised that you are unaware of the apprencticeships that plumbers have to put in before they can obtain an individual license. My son is an electrician apprentice - third year of five - and he works for someone else much as Joe does until he completes his apprencticeship . At that time he will be eligible for a license to go out on his own. In the meantime he is an electrician who works for a licensed electrician, much the same as Joe does in his line of work.

Please educate yourself.

701 mama winger  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:48:50pm

And you do know Dear Leader Obama is a smoker, right? I'm not sure what your point is here.

702 mama winger  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:54:27pm

re: #699 willpowwow

screw the highway system, and the national defense budget

If in fact the federal government did confine itself to interstate commerce and national defense as outlined in the Constitution, taxes would not need to be so high and they would be easily affordable for the average person.

It is because the Fed turned into a Charitable institution and a bankroll for every lamebrain project someone can think up, rather that a government agency, that our tax dollars are squandered. It is a bottomless pit. You cannot possible give the beast enough . It always wants more.

Familiarize yourself with the Articles of the Constitution and see what powers are actually given to the Federal government. Meals on Wheels is not mentioned.

703 rain of lead  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 9:56:47pm

re: #699 willpowwow
good job dumda$$
walked up to a hornets nest and wacked it with a stick
any last words before your gamy buttocks are roasting on a spit?

704 Catttt  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:00:50pm

re: #699 willpowwow

Sure Joe, come on over and fix my plumbing, I don't care that you don't have a license. Screw those union jerks who went to all the trouble to get a license and demonstrate their competence! Hey, and take your pay under the table, it's every man for himself, right? Why should you fork over any of your hard-earned pay so some dumb old f@rt can take it in social security, medicare, housing assistance, meals-on-wheels, etc. And screw the highway system, and the national defense budget, and all that other government nonsense. I can play football, I'm a red-blooded patriot, not like those pansy college people with their fancy coffee!

Oh yeah, and I smoke! And drink! You got a problem with that? What's the matter, your kid get hit by a drunk driver or something? Your dad die of lung cancer? I'm proud of the fact that I have the freedom to demonstrate my stupidity by ignoring the scientific evidence that smoking will kill me - it proves that I am a maverick at all costs!

Control freak.

705 willpowwow  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:06:16pm

MamaWinger -

I'm plenty educated. If you read the reference above, 'Joe' is proud of the fact that he doesn't have a license - and the TV-Joe is not an apprentice. And Mama, when you're down on your luck, like Wall Street this week, we'll be sure to pass by your house with the Meals on Wheels truck. You hate it til you need it.

Rain of Lead -

Huh? Your comment was brilliant. Are gamy (sic) buttocks something you think about often? What do you belligerent remarks have to do with anything but your own inability to argue convincingly. You've clearly got lead on the brain.

706 mama winger  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:11:58pm

re: #705 willpowwow

And Mama, when you're down on your luck, like Wall Street this week, we'll be sure to pass by your house with the Meals on Wheels truck. You hate it til you need it.

WHEN I'm down on my luck? LOL

I have been down on my luck since 1974. I live at poverty level. And I've supplied many a meal to many hungry folks for the last 23 years. Ask anyone in my town. But that's right - you don't know anything about me do you?

You just assume if the government doesn't do it, it won't get done. I can feed more people on 8 dollars than the 80 dollars I would have to give the government to do the same thing.

If you know someone hungry - feed them.
If you know someone naked, clothe them.
If you know someone in prison, visit them.

Jesus didn't say wait for the gummit to do it. He said get off yer slacker ass and do it yer own self.

Goodnight.

707 rain of lead  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:12:21pm

little f***ker is running back and forth between here and the dead I AM JOE thread

708 willpowwow  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:12:43pm

Cattt -

Control Freak? Is that it?

Useless. Are you an 'insider' here with your pity two-word ripostes? Tell me about why you're a Joe! Are you a rugged individualist, making it on your own? Or maybe a psychologist? Anyway, I am a freak, but I don't control much. Neither do you.

709 Inquisitive  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:15:25pm

re: #706 mama winger

WHEN I'm down on my luck? LOL

I have been down on my luck since 1974. I live at poverty level. And I've supplied many a meal to many hungry folks for the last 23 years. Ask anyone in my town. But that's right - you don't know anything about me do you?

You just assume if the government doesn't do it, it won't get done. I can feed more people on 8 dollars than the 80 dollars I would have to give the government to do the same thing.

If you know someone hungry - feed them.
If you know someone naked, clothe them.
If you know someone in prison, visit them.

Jesus didn't say wait for the gummit to do it. He said get off yer slacker ass and do it yer own self.

Goodnight.


GOD BLESS YOU...MAMA WRINGER

710 Jefiner  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:15:51pm

What a troll.

Go take your ritalin and finish your homework, boy.

711 cliffster  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:16:30pm

willpowwow:

You are a loser. And you know it. When you go to sleep tonight, you will know that you will wake up as a completely worthless person, just like you have every other morning of your life.

712 Catttt  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:16:36pm

re: #708 willpowwow

Cattt -

Control Freak? Is that it?

Useless. Are you an 'insider' here with your pity two-word ripostes? Tell me about why you're a Joe! Are you a rugged individualist, making it on your own? Or maybe a psychologist? Anyway, I am a freak, but I don't control much. Neither do you.

Wow - I must have hit a nerve. Good.

Now - for the "I am Joe" - you don't get it, do you? We are all Joe, except for you.

713 willpowwow  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:19:20pm

MamaWinger -

Good first person response. But you're assuming things about me, aren't you. Did I say that if the 'gummit' doesn't do it, it won't get done? Nope. I think that the more ways it gets done, the better. And frankly, I don't think you can provide the same assistance, to the same number of people, as a coordinated public effort can do.

I didn't call you any names, and I didn't malign your intentions in any way. It sounds like you're doing something good. I think there are better ways to do good. I won't force you - but the American democratic system may. Vote.

714 Catttt  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:21:01pm

re: #705 willpowwow
...when you're down on your luck, like Wall Street this week...

I can tell you don't follow the markets.

The markets were way up for the week - the best weeklies since 2003.

S&P up 4.6%
Nasdaq up 3.7%
DJIA up 4.7%

715 Catttt  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:21:44pm

re: #713 willpowwow

It's all about you.

716 rain of lead  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:22:13pm

hey willpowwow.
tell me other than the U.S. military, name ONE thing the government
does well

717 cliffster  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:23:52pm

re: #716 rain of lead

hey willpowwow.
tell me other than the U.S. military, name ONE thing the government
does well

Roads. They build good roads. But I live in Texas - I know that's not true everywhere.

718 Archimedes  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:24:32pm

re: #699 willpowwow

Sure Joe, come on over and fix my plumbing, I don't care that you don't have a license.

What makes you think you need the imprimatur of government to be good at something? That's a bit odd. Did Mozart require the state to be a good musician, or was it the result of his own mind power that he produced such brilliant music?

Did Edison require the state to invent the light bulb, or was it the fact that he was free to use his own mind and pursue his own dreams?

I mean, come on, you can't seriously believe this stuff.

This is supposed to be a free country, btw. Did you not realize that?

719 Palandine  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:25:12pm

Before I start in on your astonishingly stupid post, a question:

Wht does ANY of this have to do with Obama's socialism? Obama walked up to this man's house and asked him if he had any questions. Joe asked a very honest question of Obama, who let th mask slip on his Marxism. It's not a Rovian plot or a right-wing smear. Obama asked Joe to ask a question, Joe asked, Obama answered poorly, and people like you decie to character assassinate Joe to deflect attention from the point of the encounter. We see through you.

re: #699 willpowwow

Sure Joe, come on over and fix my plumbing, I don't care that you don't have a license.

Joe doesn't need a license to do his job. The company he currently works for has the license. Plsu, if he's skilled enough to have done well enough to want to buy a business, he must be a pretty good plumber. That means a lot more to me than any piece of paper.

Screw those union jerks who went to all the trouble to get a license and demonstrate their competence!

Hmm, maybe we can institute a rule whereby voting on whether to join a union is no longer done by secret ballot... Nothing could possibly go wrong with that. And again, this has to do with Obama's socialism HOW, exactly?

Hey, and take your pay under the table, it's every man for himself, right?

Got a source for that, or are you merely piling on the smear on a man who dared to ask Obama a question?

Why should you fork over any of your hard-earned pay so some dumb old f@rt can take it in social security, medicare, housing assistance, meals-on-wheels, etc. And screw the highway system, and the national defense budget, and all that other government nonsense.

Yes, Joe said he wanted to pay no taxes, that's exactly right. No, wait, it isn't. He asked whether his success would be unduly penalized by Senator Obama if he lived his dream and bought a business, and Obama replied that he wanted to spread the wealth around.

I can play football, I'm a red-blooded patriot, not like those pansy college people with their fancy coffee!

And this has what to do with Obama's plan for income redistribution? By the way, theoretically it'd be the "pansy college people" who were bled dry by Obama's income redistribution. Why, then do you feel this contempt for a man who works with his hands for a living?

Oh yeah, and I smoke! And drink! You got a problem with that? What's the matter, your kid get hit by a drunk driver or something? Your dad die of lung cancer? I'm proud of the fact that I have the freedom to demonstrate my stupidity by ignoring the scientific evidence that smoking will kill me - it proves that I am a maverick at all costs!

Quoted for stupidity. You _do_ know your hero, the Messiah, smokes, drinks, did pot and "a little blow" (but no heroin, he does have standards).

You're a dolt, and I've wasted far too much time replying to you, but when you try to destroy a man who dared to ask Obama a question that the media should have asked a month ago, and then insult a fine person like Mama Winger, they deserve a defense.

I AM JOE THE PLUMBER.

720 Archimedes  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:25:44pm

re: #716 rain of lead

hey willpowwow.
tell me other than the U.S. military, name ONE thing the government
does well

Right. The U.S. military has to be under government control. You can't have people owning small armies. But virtually everything should done privately and are done better privately.

721 willpowwow  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:26:07pm

Cliffster -

I'm a loser? Another brilliant comment on the LGF site. This place is an intellectual wasteland. Maybe you would do better to tell me why I am a loser.

Cattt -

Why is it good to hit a nerve? Because it might hurt, and you like to hurt people? Who is the 'We' that you have decided I am not a part of? The real americans? I wish you could offer something a little more substantial, but I suspect it's just not there. What are you even talking about? You don't know.

722 rain of lead  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:27:04pm

re: #717 cliffster

Roads. They build good roads. But I live in Texas - I know that's not true everywhere.

ok I'll grant that but I wanted to see what the troll would say.

723 Catttt  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:28:04pm

re: #717 cliffster

Roads. They build good roads. But I live in Texas - I know that's not true everywhere.

And the roads they built the best were built so that the military would have usable roadways, if needed. The official name for the interstate is the Dwight D. Eisenhower National System of Interstate and Defense Highways.

724 Archimedes  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:29:11pm

re: #717 cliffster

Roads. They build good roads. But I live in Texas - I know that's not true everywhere.

Well, Houston has its roads under construction almost always, making them not all that safe.

Here is what I say, if roads were private we'd see innovations in roads. They'd continually get better and safer. Government owned roads just stay pretty much the same, since there is no motivation to improve.

Cars, otoh, keep improving.

725 rain of lead  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:30:03pm

ooh ooh #719
that will leave a mark
wonder if the troll will answer any of that?

726 Catttt  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:31:28pm

re: #721 willpowwow

Cliffster -

I'm a loser? Another brilliant comment on the LGF site. This place is an intellectual wasteland. Maybe you would do better to tell me why I am a loser.

Cattt -

Why is it good to hit a nerve? Because it might hurt, and you like to hurt people? Who is the 'We' that you have decided I am not a part of? The real americans? I wish you could offer something a little more substantial, but I suspect it's just not there. What are you even talking about? You don't know.

It's good because I don't like you, think you are mobying here because you are looking for help in some weird way, and I'm pleased to uncover your issues for you. Get professional help.

I don't know what the "real Americans" rant is - I said zip about that. Also, I said zip about you being a loser. You are projecting your own inner fears on us in a really huge way. Again, get help. I'm serious.

727 Intrepid  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:31:48pm

re: #718 Archimedes

What makes you think you need the imprimatur of government to be good at something? That's a bit odd. Did Mozart require the state to be a good musician, or was it the result of his own mind power that he produced such brilliant music?

Did Edison require the state to invent the light bulb, or was it the fact that he was free to use his own mind and pursue his own dreams?

I mean, come on, you can't seriously believe this stuff.

This is supposed to be a free country, btw. Did you not realize that?

Now Archimedes - you're using big words like "imprimatur" and "invent". Willpowwow probably doesn't own a dictionary, so your post just flew over his/her head.

This one seems to have a personal grudge against regular working people like Joe. Maybe he/she just doesn't like plumbers, or maybe he/she is in a plumber's union and is jealous of all the attention the non-union Joe is getting.

I'm betting it's just an issue of being a major wanker, because every post in thread he/she is on, it's just a bitch-fest. Nothing of substance to offer. Only blah-blah-blah, I'm smarter than all you yokel yucks, worship me.

How trite and how boring is this willpowwow. Yawn.

728 cliffster  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:35:25pm

re: #721 willpowwow

Cliffster -

I'm a loser? Another brilliant comment on the LGF site. This place is an intellectual wasteland. Maybe you would do better to tell me why I am a loser.

Why you're a loser: you are spending your free time on a blog thread with people who don't know you, don't like your ideas, and don't give a shit about you other than the 15 minutes you spend being argumentative. You have nothing more valuable to do with your time than this. You're a loser. Congratulations, you got your 15 minutes of fame - on LGF. Tell your grandkids about it.

Intellectual wasteland - not even worth commenting. The quality of commentary on LGF is far and above any other site you'd go to for political purposes, especially on the Intelligent Design threads. If you try and say otherwise, you're an idiot. What would you say to someone who tried to say that Aristotle is stupid?

729 cliffster  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:37:33pm

re: #721 willpowwow

Cliffster -

I'm a loser? Another brilliant comment on the LGF site. This place is an intellectual wasteland. Maybe you would do better to tell me why I am a loser.

Why you're a loser: you are spending your free time on a blog thread with people who don't know you, don't like your ideas, and don't give a shit about you other than the 15 minutes you spend being argumentative. You have nothing more valuable to do with your time than this. You're a loser. Congratulations, you got your 15 minutes of fame - on LGF. Tell your grandkids about it.

Intellectual wasteland - not even worth commenting. The quality of commentary on LGF is far and above any other site you'd go to for political purposes, especially on the Intelligent Design threads. If you try and say otherwise, you're an idiot. What would you say to someone who tried to say that Aristotle is stupid?

730 Archimedes  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:38:37pm

re: #727 Intrepid

Now Archimedes - you're using big words like "imprimatur" and "invent". Willpowwow probably doesn't own a dictionary, so your post just flew over his/her head.

Yeah, I was thinking about limiting my word lengths to four or five characters, Cat in the Hat style. :)


This one seems to have a personal grudge against regular working people like Joe. Maybe he/she just doesn't like plumbers, or maybe he/she is in a plumber's union and is jealous of all the attention the non-union Joe is getting.

Probably right. Unions have lost lots of members over the last twenty or so years, because they are so controlling, and they often create lazy employees.



I'm betting it's just an issue of being a major wanker, because every post in thread he/she is on, it's just a bitch-fest. Nothing of substance to offer. Only blah-blah-blah, I'm smarter than all you yokel yucks, worship me.

How trite and how boring is this willpowwow. Yawn.

I don't think you're a Brit, but you did use the word "wanker" so I'm not sure. :)

731 capitalist piglet  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:43:00pm

Lizards, please understand - this sort of belligerent, finger-in-your-chest approach to dialog is like masturbation for liberals. It feels good to them, but it is extremely unpleasant to watch them do it.

732 Intrepid  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:44:17pm

re: #730 Archimedes

Nah, not a Brit. But I just really like that word. (not that I use it often, mind you)

:-)

733 willpowwow  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:58:04pm

Excuse me for visiting your very nice website. Clearly you all just wish to reinforce your own beliefs while dismissing those with 'improper' opinions as 'dolts', 'losers', 'a--hats', etc. Good for you. Then some weird pat-on-the-back about big words. Insecure much?

Palandine - maybe you didn't read the post above. This 'everyman Joe' boasts of his lack of a license. This 'government imprimatur' idea of licensing has been around awhile - it's a way people have to know who they're dealing with. What does any of that have to do with being a free country?

Cliffster - Who hit who's nerve? I've got about five blowhards all puffed up and righteous, dreaming up weird scenarios about plumbers unions and such. It's been a lot of fun.

734 Rancher  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:02:33pm

re: #698 willpowwow

Hey Rancher, I'm sorry there's not union to help you with that $7/hour job that offers no benefits.

I'm not. Easiest job I've ever had. I've got no creditcard debt. My car gets paid off in April. We for the first time have all three properties rented which brings in $800 a moth net. All I have is a mortgage that stupid me I've been paying. I could go back to the prison and have health care and make alot more money, crappy dangerous job that it is. But I love my job, been at it for three months so we can talk raise this friday. They just lost a desk clerk to the prison mail room and I hold two jobs, desk and maintenance. Things are going good. However I certainly make less than $250,000 and yet I can already see where Obama will stress my paycheck, my savings, my 401K and maybe my job.

735 Arbalest  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:22:50pm

re: #733 willpowwow

Excuse me for visiting your very nice website. Clearly you all just wish to reinforce your own beliefs while dismissing those with 'improper' opinions as 'dolts', 'losers', 'a--hats', etc. Good for you. Then some weird pat-on-the-back about big words. …

Perhaps you will find a list of people more to your liking here.


“ … Insecure much?

Compared to, say, ACORN (now being investigated in states everywhere) or perhaps a prosecutor in Missouri (who got her attitude changed by the Governor of Missouri), no.

736 Arbalest  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:28:23pm

#733 willpowwow

Perhaps you will find a list of people more to your liking here.

737 willpowwow  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:53:41pm

re: #735 Arbalest

ACORN - What exactly is to worry about here? A group registers lots of low-income voters. Registering voters is a good thing, right? They hire some losers who take advantage of the fact that they get paid by the registration and there are a bunch of fakes. Dang. This organization needs to develop better operational procedures. So what? The dead people, the fake registrants don't vote. Do you have some evidence of actual VOTING fraud - if so, I'd love to see it.

738 Arbalest  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:19:13am

re: #737 willpowwow

“ACORN - What exactly is to worry about here? A group registers lots of low-income voters.

ACORN, now being investigated in states everywhere. More? Read on.

“Registering voters is a good thing, right? They hire some losers who take advantage of the fact that they get paid by the registration and there are a bunch of fakes. Dang. This organization needs to develop better operational procedures. So what? ”

See next.

“The dead people, the fake registrants don't vote.”

The fake registrants don't vote? None of them are voting absentee?

The fact that a couple of Alabama counties have, thanks to ACORN, more voters than inhabitants, is of no concern to you?

Is the possibility that groups of people could register fraudulently and vote absentee, anywhere in the US, and potentially very many times, in order to vote in candidates / vote for laws that the inhabitants of the area do not want, of no concern to you?

“Do you have some evidence of actual VOTING fraud - if so, I'd love to see it.”

Several states and the Feds are investigating. I’ll have another beer while I’m waiting to see what they discover.

739 Palandine  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:50:17am

re: #733 willpowwow

Palandine - maybe you didn't read the post above. This 'everyman Joe' boasts of his lack of a license. This 'government imprimatur' idea of licensing has been around awhile - it's a way people have to know who they're dealing with. What does any of that have to do with being a free country?

Your problem (well, one of your many problems) isn't with Joe's career, it's that he exposed that the emperor had no clothes. For that reason he must be destroyed. And you should be sad; Obama probably could have hidden his socialism if he hadn't knocked on Joe's door and asked him if he had any questions. I suspect the Messiah's days of taking unscripted questions are over.

I wouldn't both picking out an avatar, troll. I suspect you'll say something malignant enough to get yourself banned shortly.

740 Palandine  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:54:05am

ACORN and voter fraud

741 SteveRogers  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 3:32:12am

wilpowpow-

Joe is also a Veteran, you idiot.
Wanna keep smearing him like your pals, Obama the commiecrat and his sidekick Biden?
Not only do I question your patriotism, I question your humanity.

742 musicman  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:14:55am

I AM JOE! (Why the heck can't we get a 72pt pica in here?)

743 buckytheinfidel  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 7:07:15am

I am Jo...the infidel.

744 Charles  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:23:46pm

I hate trolls who whine incessantly about the reactions to their posts, when they're obviously posting just to get those reactions. It's one of the most tedious species of internet pain-in-the-ass.

745 soxfan4life  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:01:27pm

I used to be a GI Joe, now I'm just Joe the lineman. And if Barry the socialist wants to take what me and my wife the disabled vet work hard to have he might just be the recipient of some Army training. While some things might get put into the back of your mind, it never really goes away.


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