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Open | Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 10:16:25 pm PDT

When small men begin to cast big shadows, it means that the sun is about to set.

Lin Yutang

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1 zombie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:17:21pm

I like this night so far.

2 SpartanWoman  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:17:44pm

Scary thought, but SO Obamanesque as he is deep down a small man

3 zombie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:18:18pm

Already up to 20 blog links to my Ayers review photo. That was FAST!

4 Racer X  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:18:20pm

Hope does not equal accomplishment.

Entitlement does not equal empowerment.

5 SpartanWoman  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:18:53pm

re: #1 zombie

I like this night so far.

Me too. Great info on Obama Ayers and Klonsky and I hope the story spreads like wildfire

6 pianobuff  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:20:07pm
7 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:20:31pm
8 Rancher  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:20:56pm

Thats an awesome quote. SNL is now putting me to sleep. Bring on Sarah!

9 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:21:29pm

zombie,

repost from last thread:

Then there's the question about how Obama got his review into the paper. Did Ayers ask Obama to write it? Did Obama offer to write it for Ayers? Who knew the editor of the book review to get this review placed or was the book review editor another lefty who was friends with Ayers? Etc. Etc. Etc.

10 pat  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:21:35pm

Is the Master of Illusion going to be exposed before he destroys the nation?

11 winston06  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:22:29pm

Looking forward to Monday, to be honest. Don't like Sundays.

12 zombie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:23:15pm

re: #9 Irene NYC

zombie,

repost from last thread:

Then there's the question about how Obama got his review into the paper. Did Ayers ask Obama to write it? Did Obama offer to write it for Ayers? Who knew the editor of the book review to get this review placed or was the book review editor another lefty who was friends with Ayers? Etc. Etc. Etc.

Very good questions! And I'm quite sure we'll never find out the answers.

13 logboy  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:23:17pm

Exactly how deep does the rabbit hole with the Big 0 and Ayers go?

14 wolfie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:23:50pm

re: #10 pat

God willing.

15 non-lib Nina  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:23:51pm

re: #3 zombie

Already up to 20 blog links to my Ayers review photo. That was FAST!

Nice~I hope this flys around, gotta take Obama down!

16 Racer X  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:24:01pm
17 SpartanWoman  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:24:02pm

re: #10 pat

Is the Master of Illusion going to be exposed before he destroys the nation?

I pray pray pray that he will be exposed and defeated. I convinced another Hillary supporter to vote McCain tonight

18 esch  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:24:06pm

re: #13 logboy

Exactly how deep does the rabbit hole with the Big 0 and Ayers go?

/Red-pill-ist!

19 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:24:16pm

Nighty-night!

20 cliffster  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:24:18pm

re: #10 pat

Is the Master of Illusion going to be exposed before he destroys the nation?

Yes.

21 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:24:21pm

Zombie,
I emailed your link and heard back from kaintuck. He said to tell you Hi and he forwarded it to his list.
Soon it will be everywhere.

22 JeremiahRight  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:24:31pm

wow, just finished reading all the way down the last thread when this one came up! my eyes hurt. Oh, and excellent work Zombie! I too want to see photos of Ayers & Obama together, there must be tons of them out there, or even just one photo of Obama smoking...

23 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:24:50pm

Oh, if that new troll comes by, please kick his sorry butt for me.

24 solomonpanting  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:24:55pm

When small men begin to cast big shadows, it means that the sun is about to set.

Sounds like the desire of some to see Obama's shadow bring the US down a rung or two.

25 jaunte  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:25:36pm

SNL was a huge waste of time. No more drugs, kids. Rots the brain.

26 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:25:48pm

Did I miss anything? I was bitterly clinging to my adult beverages and ALCS Game 6 earlier tonight.

27 wolfie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:25:59pm

re: #23 MandyManners

On both cheeks, Mandy.

28 non-lib Nina  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:26:02pm

re: #17 SpartanWoman

I pray pray pray that he will be exposed and defeated. I convinced another Hillary supporter to vote McCain tonight


From lurking on her forum, it looks like alot of the Hills girls are jumping ship and coming to our side! :)

29 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:26:19pm

re: #26 Fenway_Nation

Did I miss anything? I was bitterly clinging to my adult beverages and ALCS Game 6 earlier tonight.

you made a wise choice
;)

30 JeremiahRight  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:26:45pm

SNL doesn't start for another hour out here, but from what i saw in the last thread I think I'll skip it

31 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:26:49pm

G'nite you all.

32 SpartanWoman  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:26:59pm

re: #28 non-lib Nina

From lurking on her forum, it looks like alot of the Hills girls are jumping ship and coming to our side! :)

My friend was going to vote Nader, but I convinced McCain is right for issues she's concerned about.

33 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:27:07pm

re: #17 SpartanWoman

Congratulations on your conversion powers!
;)

34 non-lib Nina  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:28:09pm

re: #32 SpartanWoman

My friend was going to vote Nader, but I convinced McCain is right for issues she's concerned about.


Way to go! Gotta keep 'em coming, we can do it!

35 SpartanWoman  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:28:44pm

re: #33 Irene NYC

Congratulations on your conversion powers!
;)

Actually I told her to google Obama and Khalidi and the rest was easy

36 Karridine  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:29:38pm

re: #16 Racer X

The Vote Reaper

Excellent! Click some of his others, like "Why I'm a Conservative Republican!"

37 x-wing  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:30:08pm

re: #30 JeremiahRight

SNL doesn't start for another hour out here, but from what i saw in the last thread I think I'll skip it

Good idea. Punching yourself in the face would be less painful.

38 Cognito  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:30:12pm

Hey, what a great quote.

Have to admit I don't know Lin Yutang.

39 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:30:15pm

re: #29 Irene NYC


.....and Hockey Night in Canada after the baseball game.

....and some Boston College/Virginia Tech football when TBS was airing reruns of The Steve Harvey Show FOR THE FIRST TWO INNINGS!

40 x-wing  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:30:42pm

re: #31 newsjunkie_ky

G'nite you all.


Nite newsjunkie

41 zombie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:31:15pm

re: #21 newsjunkie_ky

Zombie,
I emailed your link and heard back from kaintuck. He said to tell you Hi and he forwarded it to his list.
Soon it will be everywhere.

Tell kaintuck: Thx!

42 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:31:16pm

re: #39 Fenway_Nation


We were f*ckin' watching the worst episode of SNL evah.
(except for Sarah Palin)

43 wolfie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:32:00pm

re: #16 Racer X

Darth Nader!

44 Racer X  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:34:16pm

re: #43 wolfie

Darth Nader!

"Why is it you liberals think you can make the Kool-Aid sweeter by adding more water"?

Classic!

45 Catttt  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:34:32pm

re: #3 zombie

Already up to 20 blog links to my Ayers review photo. That was FAST!

I love the heck out of you, Zombie. You just totally rock.

46 non-lib Nina  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:35:49pm

re: #36 Karridine

Excellent! Click some of his others, like "Why I'm a Conservative Republican!"


Excellent! I added to my Youtube playlist!

47 BHJets  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:37:23pm

Wish one of the 527's would come out with an ad contrasting Joe The Plumber with Bill The Bomber.

48 JohnAdams  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:38:50pm

I've met many regular hard working people who have fallen under the spell of The One. Classic case of the emotional knee-jerk reaction.

49 hermeneutics  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:40:49pm

Good evening, Lizards

Did anyone see Palin on SNL? If yes, please describe in 100 words or less.

50 Palandine  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:41:14pm

re: #9 Irene NYC

zombie,

repost from last thread:

Then there's the question about how Obama got his review into the paper. Did Ayers ask Obama to write it? Did Obama offer to write it for Ayers? Who knew the editor of the book review to get this review placed or was the book review editor another lefty who was friends with Ayers? Etc. Etc. Etc.

That's interesting. Why would anybody care what a lowly state senator had to say about a book? Why was Obama's quote included? Zombie's right, we'll never know.

/That's the CHICAGO way

51 stevieray  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:41:19pm

The way to damage Obama with the Ayers connection is not through Ayers' Weather Underground history, as bad as it is, but through his current belief in "continuing the revolution through education".

Ayers wants communism to be spread via the school system, and Obama helped him spread it through the CAC.

The vast majority of Americans do not want their children to be propagandized in their schools.

This connection will resonate.

52 Intrepid  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:41:38pm

I like the rotating title - "There is no hell. There is only France".

Heh.

53 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:41:49pm

re: #49 hermeneutics

Good evening, Lizards

Did anyone see Palin on SNL? If yes, please describe in 100 words or less.

to repeat:
We were f*ckin' watching the worst episode of SNL evah.
(except for Sarah Palin)

54 hermeneutics  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:43:28pm

re: #53 Irene NYC

to repeat:
We were f*ckin' watching the worst episode of SNL evah.
(except for Sarah Palin)

Oh no! What happened?

55 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:44:56pm

re: #50 Palandine

That's interesting. Why would anybody care what a lowly state senator had to say about a book? Why was Obama's quote included? Zombie's right, we'll never know.

/That's the CHICAGO way

From what I've gleaned, the book review editor chooses which books get reviewed, and for the "in short" reviews might ask someone who is a noted expert, or a professional journalist who, say, needs the dough that's a friend. I just find it kind of strange that the editor asked Obama to review it OR that Obama asked the editor to review it. What that says to me is that the editor, Obama and Ayers were all pretty closely connected. The publisher was probably connected too.

56 non-lib Nina  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:44:56pm

re: #48 JohnAdams

I've met many regular hard working people who have fallen under the spell of The One. Classic case of the emotional knee-jerk reaction.

I have a co-worker who is 28 and she thinks BO is the messiah. WTF, all her friends and family think the same way. Naive is all I can think of and the thing that really bugs me is she has a job, pays taxes, goes to church and believes in the conservative values and yet she "claims" to be a democrat. She does not even know what the h*ll she is talking about and is so competitive that no one could ever win a conversation with her if they tried. You know the type~always right. Naive girl.

57 Colonel Panik  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:44:59pm

As I said on the last thread, Saturday Night Live, like Francisco Franco, is still dead.

58 JohnAdams  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:45:52pm

re: #51 stevieray

The way to damage Obama with the Ayers connection is not through Ayers' Weather Underground history, as bad as it is, but through his current belief in "continuing the revolution through education".

Ayers wants communism to be spread via the school system, and Obama helped him spread it through the CAC.

The vast majority of Americans do not want their children to be propagandized in their schools.

This connection will resonate.

True. The fact that Ayers is not in jail, but is in fact "educating" our youth is the real troubling idea. Our country's colleges are full of professors who think likewise. Makes me think seriously about sending my $150 K to put my kid through college.

59 Inquisitive  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:45:53pm

re: #54 hermeneutics

Oh no! What happened?


it was SNL......nothing more needs to be said......several of us realized once again why we no longer watch it......

60 x-wing  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:45:57pm

re: #49 hermeneutics

Good evening, Lizards

Did anyone see Palin on SNL? If yes, please describe in 100 words or less.

Worst SNL evah. Sarah looked well though.

/how's that.

61 Killian Bundy  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:45:57pm

Secretary of State John Kerry.

/there's something to look forward to

62 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:46:08pm

re: #56 non-lib Nina

Your friend's been mesmerized.
Seriously.

63 zombie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:46:12pm

re: #51 stevieray

The way to damage Obama with the Ayers connection is not through Ayers' Weather Underground history, as bad as it is, but through his current belief in "continuing the revolution through education".

Ayers wants communism to be spread via the school system, and Obama helped him spread it through the CAC.

The vast majority of Americans do not want their children to be propagandized in their schools.

This connection will resonate.

BINGO!

I was cogitating exactly how to drive this point home somehow, in a big way.

64 Palandine  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:46:19pm

re: #32 SpartanWoman

My friend was going to vote Nader, but I convinced McCain is right for issues she's concerned about.

I'm watching the 18-year-old daughter of a friend of mine next week, and her mom's told me she's looking forward to casting her first vote for Obama. I'm going to try to change her mind, but verrrry gently. Don't want to hurt her youthful idealism, but she's a smart cookie and I hope I can show her why McCain is a better choice.

/Palandine's cast her first vote ever for Clinton in 1992, so if my friend's daughter chooses...poorly...I'm not one to judge

65 ACJohn  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:46:27pm

re: #55 Irene NYC

Great points any chance they have the same agent, publisher...

66 esch  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:46:42pm

re: #54 hermeneutics

Oh no! What happened?

Check the previous thread.

67 BakaRanger  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:46:43pm

Zombie, can you tell me what kind of camera that you use for your field work? I just bought a Minolta digital for about $350 and the resulting pictures are no where close to the quality of yours. Thanks.

68 HelloDare  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:47:03pm

re: #41 zombie

Zombie,

You may want to consider putting the title of each story in a color. I have friends who don't know that most of the time titles are permalinks.

And in some blogs, like No Oil for Pacifists and Ace of Spades, the title aren't the permalinks.

If something is in color, people know it's a link.

69 hermeneutics  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:47:08pm

re: #63 zombie

BINGO!

I was cogitating exactly how to drive this point home somehow, in a big way.

Oh, Zombie -- I sent a copy of your image as well as a link to your blog to Drudge. We'll see...

70 pat  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:47:45pm

What do you want to bet Ayers wrote the review and had his friend Obama sign off?

71 zombie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:47:47pm

re: #61 Killian Bundy

Secretary of State John Kerry.

/there's something to look forward to

Ay caramba! The party suddenly falls silent. A nauseating thought.

72 Jimmah  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:47:56pm

re: #51 stevieray

The way to damage Obama with the Ayers connection is not through Ayers' Weather Underground history, as bad as it is, but through his current belief in "continuing the revolution through education".

Ayers wants communism to be spread via the school system, and Obama helped him spread it through the CAC.

The vast majority of Americans do not want their children to be propagandized in their schools.

This connection will resonate.

Definitely. This apparent meeting of minds is far more disturbing than the mere association.

73 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:48:25pm

If any lizards have some spare time, go to Amazon and write a nasty review of Ayers' books. Call him a terrorist - whatever. Say he can't write for shit. The book that zombie is reporting on today has FIVE stars!

74 non-lib Nina  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:48:34pm

re: #62 Irene NYC

Your friend's been mesmerized.
Seriously.

Yeah, she really is not my friend, just my co-worker. If she thinks BO is the messiah, she "ain't" no one I want to be friends with! I just have to put up with her sh*t 40 hours a week. :(

75 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:49:25pm

re: #63 zombie

BINGO!

I was cogitating exactly how to drive this point home somehow, in a big way.

zombie,

Have you seen Ayers' recent speech on education that he gave in Venezuela on this point?

76 Metal Man  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:49:27pm

re: #49 hermeneutics

Yes the opening was Tina Fey impersonating Sarah. Switch to Sarah and that dork that owns SNL discussing how accurate Tina is. then one of the Baldwin brothers walks up and disses Sarah thinking she's Tina. All fairly lame but Sarah shines IMHO gotta see it to get it. And don't bother looking for the next 20 seconds where Sarah just sets up a lame rap sketch.

77 Penguinchic  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:49:46pm

This might not be anything but I did a search on Ayers and Obama in google books. I found this book. A Kind and Just Parent: The Children of Juvenile Court - Page 82, by William Ayers from that page this quote - Our neighbors include Muhammad Ali, former mayor Eugene Sawyer, poets Gwendolyn Brooks and Elizabeth Alexander, and writer Barack Obama.

I thought there would be more, but he is just describing his neighborhood. But there is several more sentences about Farrakhan as well. Maybe there is more than I think.

78 M. Bensson-Levi  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:49:53pm

re: #51 stevieray

The way to damage Obama with the Ayers connection is not through Ayers' Weather Underground history, as bad as it is, but through his current belief in "continuing the revolution through education".

Ayers wants communism to be spread via the school system, and Obama helped him spread it through the CAC.

The vast majority of Americans do not want their children to be propagandized in their schools.

This connection will resonate.

Bravo! BRAVO! You've got that exactly right! Ayers past bombings clearly show his attitude about America, and his utter ruthlessness, but the current danger that he presents is precisely what you have noted: his "war by other means" education/indoctrination of America's children.

Excellent post!

79 Odinga  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:49:59pm

Fellow Lizards,

I bring a ray of hope. Obama Plummets Among Independents

"For the first time in the polling McCain is up above 45 percent. There is no question something has happened," Zogby said.

80 x-wing  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:50:32pm

re: #72 Jimmah

Definitely. This apparent meeting of minds is far more disturbing than the mere association.

So we need to goad Ayers into a Jack Nickolson "you can't handle the truth" moment?

81 non-lib Nina  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:51:41pm

re: #79 Odinga

Fellow Lizards,

I bring a ray of hope. Obama Plummets Among Independents

"For the first time in the polling McCain is up above 45 percent. There is no question something has happened," Zogby said.

Hmmm, I wonder what it could be? The plot thickens.

82 hermeneutics  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:51:45pm

re: #79 Odinga

Fellow Lizards,

I bring a ray of hope. Obama Plummets Among Independents

"For the first time in the polling McCain is up above 45 percent. There is no question something has happened," Zogby said.

GREAT NEWS!

83 Odinga  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:52:01pm

I can feel it in my Bones. McCain/Palin are going to take this thing.

"If that trend continues, it is something that has got to raise red flags for Obama," Zogby said. "It suggests to me that his outward look of confidence may be as much strategy as it is real."
Nobama Plummets Among Independents

84 astronmr20  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:52:45pm

re: #73 Irene NYC

If any lizards have some spare time, go to Amazon and write a nasty review of Ayers' books. Call him a terrorist - whatever. Say he can't write for shit. The book that zombie is reporting on today has FIVE stars!

I'm sorry, even knowing the book is a piece of Red Crap and a communist trojan horse for schools,

I disagree with writing any reviews unless you have read some of it.

85 Catttt  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:53:17pm

I have a co-worker who is an Obamaniac. We are both political geeks and have enjoyed a couple of good IM arguments.

I think I undercut her elitist rant a bit. She admits she is an elitist - she went to private schools. She went on and on about how the elite should rule and the hoi polloi are stupid.

I gently said - I went to public schools and state colleges. You know I'm not stupid (she calls me for help on hard tax and cost basis questions) - she does know that. It's just that she WANTS to think the elite are somehow endowed to rule the peons.

She also is aware that her youth is at work here, but she just can't help herself.

86 SpartanWoman  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:54:05pm

re: #64 Palandine

I guess it depends on what issue is important to them. For my friend it was terrorism. For another colleague it was Israel and for yet another it was taxes.

Young people are frequently only half aware of why they like a popular figure whether the figure is a pol or a singer or another sort of celeb. Maybe it is a herd mentality, who knows.

I would suggest you discover her favorite issue and go there.

In 1976 I was besotted with the Dem Convention and the "why not the best?" Carter crap. Fortunately, my uncle Frank talked to me about "Mr. Peanut" and his policies. I voted Ford. At the time it was NOT the policy chat that dissuaded me, it was the ridicule in my uncle's voice. Not ridiculing me, but calling Carter "Mr. Peanut". 18 year olds cave when an iconoclast shatters their false gods

87 Catttt  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:54:59pm

re: #64 Palandine

I'm watching the 18-year-old daughter of a friend of mine next week, and her mom's told me she's looking forward to casting her first vote for Obama. I'm going to try to change her mind, but verrrry gently. Don't want to hurt her youthful idealism, but she's a smart cookie and I hope I can show her why McCain is a better choice.

/Palandine's cast her first vote ever for Clinton in 1992, so if my friend's daughter chooses...poorly...I'm not one to judge

My first vote was for - gulp - McGovern.

88 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:55:06pm

re: #79 Odinga

I think Joe happened.

89 BHJets  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:55:07pm

Mo looks to be swithcing sides

90 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:55:20pm

Ayers' in Venezuela for the World Education Forum, November 2006.

An excerpt from this link if you haven't already seen it:

This is my fourth visit to Venezuela, each time at the invitation of my comrade and friend Luis Bonilla, a brilliant educator and inspiring fighter for justice. Luis has taught me a great deal about the Bolivarian Revolution and about the profound educational reforms underway here in Venezuela under the leadership of President Chavez. We share the belief that education is the motor-force of revolution, and I’ve come to appreciate Luis as a major asset in both the Venezuelan and the international struggle—I look forward to seeing how he and all of you continue to overcome the failings of capitalist education as you seek to create something truly new and deeply humane. Thank you, Luis, for everything you’ve done.

91 Archimedes  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:55:20pm

One of the funniest comedy series ever.

Red Dwarf: :D

92 zombie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:55:27pm

re: #67 BakaRanger

Zombie, can you tell me what kind of camera that you use for your field work? I just bought a Minolta digital for about $350 and the resulting pictures are no where close to the quality of yours. Thanks.

Sorry, that is highly classified information. If my enemies knew what camera I used, they'd know what to look for. Hence, my need to keep it secret.

Though I will say: It isn't a Minolta. (Though, in an odd coincidence, the microfilm machine I used today was a Minolta!)

Another secret: The quality of the original raw photo is only half the story. It's what you do afterwards to it that makes it look presentable. (i.e adjusting contrast or brightness, cropping off extraneous edges, etc.) My camera often under-exposes or over-exposes images, and occasionally I'll have to try to subtly adjust the "gamma" and stuff like that so it isn't so dark-looking. I'm actually a rank amateur at sprucing up photo quality, and I don't have the right software. News editors and pro photographers do it routinely on every photo, which is one reason they look so good.

Another secret: I usually take 2 or 3 or 27 versions of every photo, to make sure I get a good one!

93 esch  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:56:08pm

re: #79 Odinga

Conservatives can recognize a greater evil and will do what must be done. I have disagreements with McCain but I will support him. Leftists OTOH, are fickle and won't be able to keep momentum going in the face of doubts. Getting them to actually show up and vote is also problematic.

I can't WAIT for the finger-pointing sh*tstorm meltdown the left will have when they lose. I'll be drunk for days.

94 astronmr20  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:56:33pm

What strikes me is Joe is in no way an "Obama team member." He's really just "that guy." Obama could have picked someone just somewhat more relevant.. but it wouldn't work alongside the Messiah. Afterall, there can only be One.

95 HelloDare  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:56:40pm

re: #63 zombie

BINGO!

I was cogitating exactly how to drive this point home somehow, in a big way.

Connect it all under the umbrella of socialism. Ayers, Wright, radicals, Union Card Checks, ACORN, income redistribution, nanny state, teachers unions taking over the schools, the financial crisis and the affirmative action mortgages, rising health care costs... you name it.

Even liberals hate the term socialism.

96 Catttt  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:56:42pm

re: #79 Odinga

Fellow Lizards,

I bring a ray of hope. Obama Plummets Among Independents

"For the first time in the polling McCain is up above 45 percent. There is no question something has happened," Zogby said.

God bless you. I can now go to bed on an up note.

97 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:56:59pm

re: #84 astronmr20

I'm sorry, even knowing the book is a piece of Red Crap and a communist trojan horse for schools,

I disagree with writing any reviews unless you have read some of it.


I know professional book reviewers who haven't even read the books they were reviewing. Go read the little excerpts available on Amazon if that would make you feel better.
;)

98 non-lib Nina  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:57:22pm

re: #93 esch

Conservatives can recognize a greater evil and will do what must be done. I have disagreements with McCain but I will support him. Leftists OTOH, are fickle and won't be able to keep momentum going in the face of doubts. Getting them to actually show up and vote is also problematic.

I can't WAIT for the finger-pointing sh*tstorm meltdown the left will have when they lose. I'll be drunk for days.

Oh Gawd, me too! You have no idea.

99 zombie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:57:37pm

re: #68 HelloDare

Zombie,

You may want to consider putting the title of each story in a color. I have friends who don't know that most of the time titles are permalinks.

And in some blogs, like No Oil for Pacifists and Ace of Spades, the title aren't the permalinks.

If something is in color, people know it's a link.

Hmmmmm. I'll ponder it, but I suspect I won't have the time to figure out how to change the color! It's part of the blog template, which is a mysterious region to me.

100 Intrepid  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:57:38pm

re: #79 Odinga

Fellow Lizards,

I bring a ray of hope. Obama Plummets Among Independents

"For the first time in the polling McCain is up above 45 percent. There is no question something has happened," Zogby said.

What I find heartening (I try not to rely on the polls but DAMMIT! it's hard not to sometimes) is that McCain's support among republicans is up to 9 out of 10. Maybe repubs are waking up and realizing that they just cannot wish their way into a Romney or Thompson presidency. And they're seeing what an Obama presidency would do to the country.

But the loss of 8 points among independents for Obama is significant. Let's hope that is the beginning of a trend, and not just a post-debate bump.

101 zombie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:58:43pm

re: #69 hermeneutics

Oh, Zombie -- I sent a copy of your image as well as a link to your blog to Drudge. We'll see...

That's at least 10 emails to Drudge. Let's cross our fingers!

102 HelloDare  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:59:01pm

re: #79 Odinga

Fellow Lizards,

I bring a ray of hope. Obama Plummets Among Independents

"For the first time in the polling McCain is up above 45 percent. There is no question something has happened," Zogby said.

Did they poll the guy in Texas who was registered 72 times?

103 zombie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:59:14pm

re: #75 Irene NYC

zombie,

Have you seen Ayers' recent speech on education that he gave in Venezuela on this point?

No!

104 SpartanWoman  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:59:18pm

re: #100 Intrepid

But the msm said Obama WON the debate, if they were right it would be Obama who got the fist-bump here.

I think it is the communist bump, the recognition that maybe Obama is truly too risky.

105 stevieray  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:59:23pm

How did it get so late?

Time to kick the cat off of my pillow... where she is sleeping, and shedding exuberantly... and go to bed.

Goodnight!

106 BHJets  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:59:51pm

re: #93 esch
I always take the day after election day off. Gonna have a case of Sam Adams on ice this year. Either celebrating or drowning my sorrows.

107 devnulled  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:00:26pm

re: #3 zombie

I think this is coming up on just over four years of appreciation now, since I first laid eyes on your work... (stands up on desk)...

O Captain My Captain.

108 rain of lead  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:00:29pm

re: #99 zombie

Hmmmmm. I'll ponder it, but I suspect I won't have the time to figure out how to change the color! It's part of the blog template, which is a mysterious region to me.

Z, just ask Charles, I'll bet he could give you an answer in about.... two seconds

109 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:00:31pm

zombie,

I should not have said recent re Ayers' speech. It was November 2006. But, it's still very much to the point. I linked it above.

110 mikalm  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:00:33pm

Zombie,

Great catch on the Obama review! I haven't been on LGF much lately -- too busy with other things -- but I check in every now and then, and am impressed by your forays into investigative journalism.

Got a hot tip for you -- will email it within the next five minutes, if you're still online.

111 astronmr20  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:00:35pm

re: #92 zombie

Sorry, that is highly classified information. If my enemies knew what camera I used, they'd know what to look for. Hence, my need to keep it secret.

Though I will say: It isn't a Minolta. (Though, in an odd coincidence, the microfilm machine I used today was a Minolta!)

Another secret: The quality of the original raw photo is only half the story. It's what you do afterwards to it that makes it look presentable. (i.e adjusting contrast or brightness, cropping off extraneous edges, etc.) My camera often under-exposes or over-exposes images, and occasionally I'll have to try to subtly adjust the "gamma" and stuff like that so it isn't so dark-looking. I'm actually a rank amateur at sprucing up photo quality, and I don't have the right software. News editors and pro photographers do it routinely on every photo, which is one reason they look so good.

Another secret: I usually take 2 or 3 or 27 versions of every photo, to make sure I get a good one!

Incredible. Zombie is using micro-film machines to dig up truth-- just like real journalists used to do in the movies!

It's amazing.. when one thinks about the combined salaries of, and resources related to journalists covering this election and these two men.. both in Chicago and nationally.. people that Good 'ole Zombie is doing all of their collective jobs together!

Actually, it's not so amazing. It's what I would expect for such a fine undead gumshoe.

Well, I hope you used a surname when signing in to check out the film!

112 Palandine  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:00:45pm

re: #77 Penguinchic

This might not be anything but I did a search on Ayers and Obama in google books. I found this book. A Kind and Just Parent: The Children of Juvenile Court - Page 82, by William Ayers from that page this quote - Our neighbors include Muhammad Ali, former mayor Eugene Sawyer, poets Gwendolyn Brooks and Elizabeth Alexander, and writer Barack Obama.

I thought there would be more, but he is just describing his neighborhood. But there is several more sentences about Farrakhan as well. Maybe there is more than I think.

My tiny effort (I don't have a blog, so can't spread it myself):

There's been some interest in a woman named Vera Baker who currently lives in Martinique. The PUMAs and others note that she's sometimes referred to as Obama's "campaign manager" when he was running for the Senate. Sometimes another woman is named as his campaign manager.

When you look at Google Books for the name, you get a page for a fundraiser for Obama for Senate where people are asked to RSVP to Ms. Baker for Obama for Illinois.

Funny how no hard-hitting investigative journalist has asked his boss for travel money to Martinique to discuss Ms. Baker's experiences as Obama's campaign manager with her, or what caused her to move to Martinique.

113 HelloDare  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:00:49pm

re: #101 zombie

That's at least 10 emails to Drudge. Let's cross our fingers!

11.

114 George guy  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:01:00pm

I predict a November 5 Kos diary to say something to the effect of this:

"Anyone who looks happy today is fair game."

115 Adina in Judea  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:01:28pm

Zogby for Sunday:

Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby Poll: Obama 47.8%, McCain 45.1%

McCain slowly gains on Obama

UTICA, New York - Republican John McCain continued a slow advance on Democrat Barack Obama in the race for President, moving back within three percentage points as the race begins to head down the stretch run, the latest Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby daily tracking poll shows.

McCain now trails Obama by 2.7 points, down from the 3.9 point deficit he faced 24 hours earlier.

Seven-point-one percent of the likely voters surveyed said they remain undecided.

Obama lost five-tenths of a point from yesterday's report, while McCain gained another six-tenths of a point. It was the third consecutive day in which Obama's numbers slipped and McCain's numbers increased.

Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby Poll: Obama 47.8%, McCain 45.1%

116 Intrepid  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:02:01pm

BTW - that show on Body Language is now on again on the History Channel. Someone mentioned it in an earlier thread, I forgot who it was.

117 zombie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:02:15pm

re: #79 Odinga

Fellow Lizards,

I bring a ray of hope. Obama Plummets Among Independents

"For the first time in the polling McCain is up above 45 percent. There is no question something has happened," Zogby said.

Dig this quote from Zogby:

"If that trend continues, it is something that has got to raise red flags for Obama," Zogby said. "It suggests to me that his outward look of confidence may be as much strategy as it is real."

Could it be that Zogby read my "Left's Big Blunder" essay, in which I make a similar point?

118 non-lib Nina  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:02:37pm

re: #100 Intrepid

What I find heartening (I try not to rely on the polls but DAMMIT! it's hard not to sometimes) is that McCain's support among republicans is up to 9 out of 10. Maybe repubs are waking up and realizing that they just cannot wish their way into a Romney or Thompson presidency. And they're seeing what an Obama presidency would do to the country.

But the loss of 8 points among independents for Obama is significant. Let's hope that is the beginning of a trend, and not just a post-debate bump.

I think also the night after the debate dinner was the best performance we have gotten in a while out of McCain. He looked relaxed and the jokes were awesome. His writers deserve kudos. He kicked BO's ars. If he could talk in that kind of forum all the time he would win hands down. Funny, funny, and it helped. Everyone was talking about how great it was and how boring the debate was, all except for Joe.

119 Catttt  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:03:55pm

re: #101 zombie

That's at least 10 emails to Drudge. Let's cross our fingers!

I think it's a super scoop right up Drudge's alley. Got my fingers crossed.

One thing I really love about Drudge is he drives the liberals nuts. Some of the speculative lib articles I've read about him are really mindbenders - imagine spending time writing a piece on whether or not he loves Chaka Khan and what that might mean - typical example.

The other thing I love about him is he's how I found LGF.

120 Odinga  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:04:10pm

re: #81 non-lib Nina

Hmmm, I wonder what it could be? The plot thickens.

The Chickens are coming home to roost, and they are voting McCain/Palin baby.

By the way, Tina Fey looks like a squirrel when standing next to the real Arctic Fox Sarah.

121 Intrepid  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:05:01pm

re: #104 SpartanWoman

But the msm said Obama WON the debate, if they were right it would be Obama who got the fist-bump here.

I think it is the communist bump, the recognition that maybe Obama is truly too risky.

Yeah, that's true. That being the case, it's showing also that the indies aren't necessarily paying that much attention to the MSM. And that's a very good thing.

In early September we had the "Palin bounce". Then there was the "convention bounce". Maybe now we're seeing the "Joe the Plumber bounce".

122 zombie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:05:32pm

re: #85 Catttt

I have a co-worker who is an Obamaniac. We are both political geeks and have enjoyed a couple of good IM arguments.

I think I undercut her elitist rant a bit. She admits she is an elitist - she went to private schools. She went on and on about how the elite should rule and the hoi polloi are stupid.

I gently said - I went to public schools and state colleges. You know I'm not stupid (she calls me for help on hard tax and cost basis questions) - she does know that. It's just that she WANTS to think the elite are somehow endowed to rule the peons.

She also is aware that her youth is at work here, but she just can't help herself.

The Democrats' main failing is that they have stopped even pretending to be the "party of the working man" or even of the underclass. Everyone knows they're elitists, and that most elitists are Democrats. It used to be the reverse (or least they used to have a good claim on being the party of the lower/middle class). This may be their downfall (crossing fingers).

123 esch  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:05:32pm

re: #98 non-lib Nina

I'm going to save a collection of zerO(&spouse) and all the MSM's grimaces over the following 72 hours. It'll be beautiful.

124 Killian Bundy  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:05:47pm

Well, swell, I pay good money for what are arguably the world's best guitar stands, but does Kitten Bill care? HELL NO, it's just one more object with too much potential energy! And does Kitten Bill topple the worthless Strat clone? HELL NO, he goes right for the big bucks and dumps the Les Paul!

/fortunately, by some [expletive deleted] miracle, the Les Paul is undamaged but Kitten Bill is totally out of control

125 astronmr20  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:06:22pm

re: #118 non-lib Nina

I think also the night after the debate dinner was the best performance we have gotten in a while out of McCain. He looked relaxed and the jokes were awesome. His writers deserve kudos. He kicked BO's ars. If he could talk in that kind of forum all the time he would win hands down. Funny, funny, and it helped. Everyone was talking about how great it was and how boring the debate was, all except for Joe.

It was fantastic. Also, consider, the most disparaging thing about it to Obama (though comedy) is that really, he wasn't even addressing or speaking about Obama the rest of the time. He was speaking "over" Obama's head, referring to the real "big guns;" the giants of the party (the Clintons), and how that affected Obama's campaign. He had Hillary in stiches, which also said a LOT. Truth is comedy!

126 Metal Man  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:06:46pm

re: #85 Catttt

I am pretty much one of the Hoi Polloi but have been given responsibility. Not all that sure I want the responsibility but will not give it up to the supposedly better educated. Peoples jobs and lives depend on me making the right choices and my betters know nothing of the consequences since it's all just theory to them. Things would likely run just fine without me but if it went to shit I just don't have confidence the management would have a clue.

Maybe I'm fooling myself so I have can feel important but I'm guessing this country would grind to a halt without the Hoi Polloi.

127 non-lib Nina  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:08:05pm

re: #123 esch

I'm going to save a collection of zerO(&spouse) and all the MSM's grimaces over the following 72 hours. It'll be beautiful.

We'll be waiting!

128 astronmr20  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:08:11pm
I'm guessing this country would grind to a halt without the Hoi Polloi.

Indeed.

129 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:08:56pm

re: #126 Metal Man

I'm guessing this country would grind to a halt without the Hoi Polloi.


What country?
;)

130 Palandine  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:09:06pm

re: #86 SpartanWoman

I guess it depends on what issue is important to them. For my friend it was terrorism. For another colleague it was Israel and for yet another it was taxes.

Young people are frequently only half aware of why they like a popular figure whether the figure is a pol or a singer or another sort of celeb. Maybe it is a herd mentality, who knows.

I would suggest you discover her favorite issue and go there.

In 1976 I was besotted with the Dem Convention and the "why not the best?" Carter crap. Fortunately, my uncle Frank talked to me about "Mr. Peanut" and his policies. I voted Ford. At the time it was NOT the policy chat that dissuaded me, it was the ridicule in my uncle's voice. Not ridiculing me, but calling Carter "Mr. Peanut". 18 year olds cave when an iconoclast shatters their false gods

The kid is very questioning and honest. I expect she actually has a reason she's voting Obama, unlike many who are hoping for the change of the hope of the change. I'm going to start from there, and go with WHY I'm voting McCain/Palin. No dissing of her choice. No saying anything bad about Obama. Just giving my reasons. I respect her too much to do otherwise.

131 Adina in Judea  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:09:19pm

re: #118 non-lib Nina

I think also the night after the debate dinner was the best performance we have gotten in a while out of McCain.

McCain was wonderful at the dinner!

I dug up Obama's speech and he was not well received. The guy is a cold bastard and he can't hide it even when he's trying to be funny.

As an example, Obama ridiculed McCain for being old in Obama's speech. "Old" jokes are only funny as SELF-deprecating humor (as Ronald Reagan used to do) and not as mean-spirited ridiculing. It was as cold as if someone had ridiculed Obama for being black.

The NY Democrats in the room cheered very warmly when McCain said that he knew that some of them were pulling for him to win. Obama did not impress this crowd.

One other thing is that when McCain said something like "If I pull this off, it will be a long night for MSNBC" - Brian Williams raised his hand in acknowledgement (if anyone wondered if he was there) but he looked embarassed for MSNBC (AS WELL HE SHOULD!)

John McCain is a better person than Obambi will ever be. It showed that night and a lot of Democrats got to see it, too. Judging by their warmer response to McCain than to Obambi, I hope a few things clicked in their heads (at least on some level.)

132 non-lib Nina  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:09:36pm

re: #125 astronmr20

It was fantastic. Also, consider, the most disparaging thing about it to Obama (though comedy) is that really, he wasn't even addressing or speaking about Obama the rest of the time. He was speaking "over" Obama's head, referring to the real "big guns;" the giants of the party (the Clintons), and how that affected Obama's campaign. He had Hillary in stiches, which also said a LOT. Truth is comedy!

If we could get another one of those before the election, damn this thing would be in the bag!

133 zombie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:09:50pm

re: #90 Irene NYC

Ayers' in Venezuela for the World Education Forum, November 2006.

An excerpt from this link if you haven't already seen it:

EXCELLENT!

People are stuck on Ayers being a "terrorist" (which he is). But he's something even worse: He's also a Communist. And not a metaphorical lower-case "c" communist but a dyed-in-the-wool hardcore Revolutionary Communist, who is going the Grasmsci route (infiltrate the schools) after the violence route failed.

134 Palandine  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:09:52pm

re: #124 Killian Bundy

Well, swell, I pay good money for what are arguably the world's best guitar stands, but does Kitten Bill care? HELL NO, it's just one more object with too much potential energy! And does Kitten Bill topple the worthless Strat clone? HELL NO, he goes right for the big bucks and dumps the Les Paul!

/fortunately, by some [expletive deleted] miracle, the Les Paul is undamaged but Kitten Bill is totally out of control

Haven't you had that kitteh's nuts cut off YET?

135 astronmr20  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:10:14pm

Truly, though.. I am fearful of an Obama presidency, but also quite fearful of what might transpire in the hours and days afterwards if McCain wins.

I'm talking about moonbats. Yes, we joke around here about their heads exploding, but you'd better wear a raincoat wednesday morning if that's the case.

136 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:10:43pm

re: #131 Adina in Judea

Yes, Brian Williams definitely looked embarrassed. Agreed.

137 Killian Bundy  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:11:37pm

re: #134 Palandine

Haven't you had that kitteh's nuts cut off YET?

/making the arrangements Monday, enough is enough

138 non-lib Nina  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:11:51pm

re: #131 Adina in Judea

McCain was wonderful at the dinner!

I dug up Obama's speech and he was not well received. The guy is a cold bastard and he can't hide it even when he's trying to be funny.

As an example, Obama ridiculed McCain for being old in Obama's speech. "Old" jokes are only funny as SELF-deprecating humor (as Ronald Reagan used to do) and not as mean-spirited ridiculing. It was as cold as if someone had ridiculed Obama for being black.

The NY Democrats in the room cheered very warmly when McCain said that he knew that some of them were pulling for him to win. Obama did not impress this crowd.

One other thing is that when McCain said something like "If I pull this off, it will be a long night for MSNBC" - Brian Williams raised his hand in acknowledgement (if anyone wondered if he was there) but he looked embarassed for MSNBC (AS WELL HE SHOULD!)

John McCain is a better person than Obambi will ever be. It showed that night and a lot of Democrats got to see it, too. Judging by their warmer response to McCain than to Obambi, I hope a few things clicked in their heads (at least on some level.)

BO looked like he was in pain the whole night, he did not have a teleprompter!

139 solomonpanting  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:12:34pm

re: #122 zombie

The Democrats' main failing is that they have stopped even pretending to be the "party of the working man" or even of the underclass. Everyone knows they're elitists, and that most elitists are Democrats. It used to be the reverse (or least they used to have a good claim on being the party of the lower/middle class). This may be their downfall (crossing fingers).


I, too, despise the Dem mantra of being "for the little guy." But the lefties having taken over the party lends historical weight to their claim. "Workers of the world unite!"

140 zombie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:12:48pm

re: #107 devnulled

I think this is coming up on just over four years of appreciation now, since I first laid eyes on your work... (stands up on desk)...

O Captain My Captain.

I demote myself! I ain't no captain. This ship is a collective!

141 astronmr20  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:12:49pm
It showed that night and a lot of Democrats got to see it, too. Judging by their warmer response to McCain than to Obambi, I hope a few things clicked in their heads (at least on some level.)

Those democrats there that night are the intelligentsia of the party. They may be Democrats, but I can guarantee you they respect the man McCain a hell of a lot more than this Johnny-come-lately Messiah.

They know what's up.

142 Scion9  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:13:25pm

re: #51 stevieray


The vast majority of Americans do not want their children to be propagandized in their schools.

This connection will resonate.

You are right, they do not. The really scary thing?


The education project described in the Web ad, far from being "radical," had the support of the Republican governor and was run by a board that included prominent local leaders, including one Republican who has donated $1,500 to McCain's campaign this year. The project is described by Education Week as reflecting "mainstream thinking" about school reform.

Indoctrinating children with socialist beliefs if definitely very 'mainstream' now.

143 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:13:33pm

re: #133 zombie

It's a very scary piece. Ayers turned to terrorism because education wasn't working fast enough to bring down capitalism.

144 zombie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:14:04pm

re: #110 mikalm

Zombie,

Great catch on the Obama review! I haven't been on LGF much lately -- too busy with other things -- but I check in every now and then, and am impressed by your forays into investigative journalism.

Got a hot tip for you -- will email it within the next five minutes, if you're still online.

I'll look for it.

Too bad I missed the Nude Olympics! From what I could gather, however, it didn't amount to much.

145 solomonpanting  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:14:20pm

re: #139 solomonpanting

"Workers of the world unite!"

Plumbers excluded.

146 esch  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:14:42pm

re: #138 non-lib Nina

I thought he kept looking around with an expression of 'isn't this when they're supposed to laugh?'

I have such contempt for this presumptuous man-child. It's a shame the first real candidate the black community put up is a tool.

147 HelloDare  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:14:47pm

Obama has a lot of threads hanging from his clothes ready for a hard tug. A lot of people have heard about Ayres but don't know that much about him. Same with Rezko, Wright, and Obama's elitism, and now ACORN. All it would take is one good iconic story to hit, something that would highlight what people already suspect and Obama might unravel.

If that office on the third floor were the exact same office that Ayers used -- the very same space. That would be great. We just don't know. They could have had offices on opposite ends of the 3rd floor. We just don't know.

148 rain of lead  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:15:10pm

re: #134 Palandine

Haven't you had that kitteh's nuts cut off YET?

it takes a few months for the testostorone to get out of their system
and to calm down
have a wild kitten/cat who got clipped 6 wks ago

149 Rancher  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:15:14pm

Good night, off to bed. I have to get up and be Joe tomorrow.

150 scratch  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:15:14pm

re: #84 astronmr20

I'm sorry, even knowing the book is a piece of Red Crap and a communist trojan horse for schools,

I disagree with writing any reviews unless you have read some of it.

Second. No offense to the OP, but I was disappointed to hear the suggestion to spam Amazon.

151 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:15:35pm

zombie,
What I meant was you said he turned to education after terrorism. I think it was education before AND after terrorism. Just that when he was just a fine young revolutionary, the education route proved too slow.

152 Adina in Judea  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:15:35pm

re: #138 non-lib Nina

BO looked like he was in pain the whole night, he did not have a teleprompter!

True!

BO is used to being fainted over with tingles going up legs just for showing up.

He was in a room filled with NY Democrats and he couldn't impress them.

BO is a megalomaniac who is running for himself and no one else.

I hope some Democrats are finally figuring this out.

153 Metal Man  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:16:04pm

re: #140 zombie

I demote myself! I ain't no captain. This ship is a collective!

Odd isn't it, that a collective can actually thrive up until the point where a government forces one to join.

154 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:16:29pm

re: #140 zombie

I demote myself! I ain't no captain. This ship is a collective!

Goodness zombie, you are an original.

Collective? We're just the chorus. Get over it.
;)

155 esch  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:16:56pm

re: #147 HelloDare

All it would take is one good iconic story to hit, something that would highlight what people already suspect and Obama might unravel.

I feel dirty saying this, but I would relish watching a total meltdown on his part. The riots afterward, not so much.

156 scratch  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:17:30pm

re: #139 solomonpanting

I, too, despise the Dem mantra of being "for the little guy." But the lefties having taken over the party lends historical weight to their claim. "Workers of the world unite!"

One of my ongoing frustrations (if "infuriations" was a word I'd use that) is hearing people interviewed after a debate or speech, and they say, "I just got the sense that Obama really cares about common Americans. I didn't get that from McCain."

157 zombie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:17:40pm

re: #111 astronmr20

Incredible. Zombie is using micro-film machines to dig up truth-- just like real journalists used to do in the movies!

It's amazing.. when one thinks about the combined salaries of, and resources related to journalists covering this election and these two men.. both in Chicago and nationally.. people that Good 'ole Zombie is doing all of their collective jobs together!

Actually, it's not so amazing. It's what I would expect for such a fine undead gumshoe.

Well, I hope you used a surname when signing in to check out the film!

Are you kidding? There's no way I would give any librarian my name. I purposely sought out a library where patrons could use the microfilms without needing a card or giving one's name. I saw what the media did to Joe the Plumber! I'm taking extra careful steps. All citizen journalism must be done totally anonymously.

158 pat  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:18:20pm

Maybe it is time for the GOP to show who the Dems are. Big business that want to be oligopolies or monopolies. Hollywood. The super rich that think American law and order has been bad for war. The idealists that think their pitiful philosophies will overcome rapaciousness. The Baldwin, Kennedy, etc. families that will know they will die in comfort while the country experiments with socialism. The racists minorities that wish to punish whites, other races and are imbued with the racial hatred of all others.

159 boogereatinmoron  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:18:21pm

re: #51 stevieray

I have been ranting along these same lines for weeks. The question is not: "why does Obama pal around with Ayers?" but: "why does Ayers pal around with Obama?"

Ayers was a terrorist whose objective was the overthrow of the American government and the establishment of a socialist state in it's place. He abandoned his methods but he has not, to my knowledge renounced his goals, he has simply changed tactics. It seems that he is now committed to change from within by promoting policies and politicians that will lead to the same ultimate objective and Obama is his man.

Oh by the way, Joe the plumber is on Huckabee. Go Joe.

160 non-lib Nina  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:18:32pm

re: #146 esch

"Finally my evil plan is working" (in my best Dr. Evil voice) Poor BO, He was like a little kid on the playground no one wanted to play kickball with.

161 mikalm  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:19:07pm

re: #144 zombie

I'll look for it.

Should be in your In-box now.

Too bad I missed the Nude Olympics! From what I could gather, however, it didn't amount to much.

So I heard as well. At least it was non-sexual, and held at an accepted "clothing-optional" beach, unlike the Folsom and Dore debaucheries. Recreational nudity is one thing -- open, public sex acts are definitely another.

162 Catttt  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:19:52pm

re: #141 astronmr20

Those democrats there that night are the intelligentsia of the party. They may be Democrats, but I can guarantee you they respect the man McCain a hell of a lot more than this Johnny-come-lately Messiah.

They know what's up.

There was this very distinguished-looking older fellow sitting back behind the speaker's stand - he was over each speaker's left shoulder. During Senator McCain's bit, he was smiling, laughing, and relaxed. During Barry's, he barely moved his face at all. He was my barometer.

163 itellu3times  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:20:52pm

Good evening, lizards.

Just checking to vent, why must Obama waste his money in California showing these obnoxious, mendacious ads, when the whole state is in the bag for him already anyway? Just to depress me, I guess.

Come on, Drudge, link to the zombie.

164 non-lib Nina  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:20:54pm

night kids

165 Adina in Judea  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:21:07pm

re: #122 zombie

The Democrats' main failing is that they have stopped even pretending to be the "party of the working man" or even of the underclass. Everyone knows they're elitists, and that most elitists are Democrats. It used to be the reverse (or least they used to have a good claim on being the party of the lower/middle class). This may be their downfall (crossing fingers).

I hope so, too. Their attitude is disgusting.

Obama looked Joe the Plumber right in the eye on camera during the debate and promised that his policies would help Joe. Then Obama RIDICULED Joe the next day at his rallies. Obama ridiculed the idea of trying to help "A PLUMBER!" (as he kept putting it, as if helping a plumber in America is the most ridiculous thing in the world.)

Obama has stabbed hard working people in the back repeatedly in his campaign. He and the Democrats have nothing but contempt for most American voters.

166 solomonpanting  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:21:12pm

re: #156 scratch

One of my ongoing frustrations (if "infuriations" was a word I'd use that) is hearing people interviewed after a debate or speech, and they say, "I just got the sense that Obama really cares about common Americans. I didn't get that from McCain."

Probably the difference between listening with the heart and the mind.

167 Catttt  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:21:14pm

re: #155 esch

I feel dirty saying this, but I would relish watching a total meltdown on his part. The riots afterward, not so much.

That reminds me - I need a pistol. Knife and two cats might not suffice.

168 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:21:58pm

re: #150 scratch

Second. No offense to the OP, but I was disappointed to hear the suggestion to spam Amazon.

That was me who suggested people write reviews stating that Ayers was a terrorist, etc. at Amazon

Yeah, getting news out about a piece of crap like Ayers is really awful. Especially when almost every news organ in the country refuses to say anything about his past. And especially when the fate of our country is literally at stake.

I'm so disappointed in myself for making that suggestion.

//////////////////

169 TnTx13  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:22:11pm

re: #159 boogereatinmoron

Oh by the way, Joe the plumber is on Huckabee. Go Joe.

Joe is great! If all those who are swooning over the Messiah would listen up to how the Messiah is treating this man, then maybe their eyes would open to the truth.

170 TnTx13  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:23:01pm

re: #165 Adina in Judea

I hope so, too. Their attitude is disgusting.

Obama looked Joe the Plumber right in the eye on camera during the debate and promised that his policies would help Joe. Then Obama RIDICULED Joe the next day at his rallies. Obama ridiculed the idea of trying to help "A PLUMBER!" (as he kept putting it, as if helping a plumber in America is the most ridiculous thing in the world.)

Obama has stabbed hard working people in the back repeatedly in his campaign. He and the Democrats have nothing but contempt for most American voters.

Just wait until Obama needs a plumber ;)

171 HelloDare  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:23:19pm

re: #155 esch

I feel dirty saying this, but I would relish watching a total meltdown on his part. The riots afterward, not so much.

A real meltdown, Obama acting badly, would be a good thing. It would show him for the man that many of us suspect he is. He is a narcissist for sure. What type and to what degree is the only question. They do not handle defeat well.

172 scratch  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:23:22pm

re: #157 zombie

...I purposely sought out a library where patrons could use the microfilms without needing a card or giving one's name. ...

Hopefully you also didn't walk in with your arms outstretched in front of you and your clothes hanging in tatters.

173 stuiec  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:23:26pm

re: #112 Palandine

What's REALLY weird is that Vera Baker had a partnership called Baker Wambu with a woman named Muthoni Wambu. They were political consultants on strategy and fundraising, and because they were Black women, most of their work came from members of the Congressional Black Caucus.

Vera Baker's work in fundraising for Obama you know about. But did you know that Muthoni Wambu became the deputy political director of Joe Biden's 2008 Presidential campaign?

And then Joe Biden, Mr. 1 Percent of the Primary Vote, Mr. Barack-Obama-Is-Clean-And-Articulate, gets the nod from Obama as his running mate. Doesn't that smell awfully fishy? Like maybe Biden asked Wambu to ask Baker to persuade Obama to pick Biden? Perhaps someone in Biden's campaign knew that Baker could be extremely persuasive with Barack for some reason.

174 Inquisitive  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:24:19pm

re: #135 astronmr20

Truly, though.. I am fearful of an Obama presidency, but also quite fearful of what might transpire in the hours and days afterwards if McCain wins.
I'm talking about moonbats. Yes, we joke around here about their heads exploding, but you'd better wear a raincoat wednesday morning if that's the case.


A friend and I were talking the other eve and was discussing that very issue.....but I brought up that I am also fearful of what might happen even if "that one" does win......look what fans are capable of doing when their team wins the super bowl or the world series. To me it could be a lose/ lose situation in some big cities.

175 x-wing  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:25:17pm

re: #106 BHJets

I always take the day after election day off. Gonna have a case of Sam Adams on ice this year. Either celebrating or drowning my sorrows.

I'm putting in vacation for Nov. 5 tomorrow. I was kicking it around today, but after everything that is happening ,it's game on.

176 Scion9  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:25:40pm

Sol Stern has done excellent work on discussing Ayers' ideology in regards to education 'reform', if you haven't read his article yet...

Obama's Real Bill Ayers Problem
The Bomber as School Reformer
Ayers Is No Education 'Reformer'

He's been chronicling this style of so-called education reform for a long time now, and has a book out on the subject of the failure of public schools, and is apparently writing another specifically on Bill Ayers and his brand of reform, according to the blurb in the WSJ Op-Ed linked above.

177 stuiec  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:25:58pm

re: #135 astronmr20

Truly, though.. I am fearful of an Obama presidency, but also quite fearful of what might transpire in the hours and days afterwards if McCain wins.

I'm talking about moonbats. Yes, we joke around here about their heads exploding, but you'd better wear a raincoat wednesday morning if that's the case.

Indeed. The day after McCain wins, the streets will be awash in giant puppet heads. That, and bare-breasted post-menopausal women in pink skirts and hats.

178 Metal Man  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:26:03pm

re: #167 Catttt

That reminds me - I need a pistol. Knife and two cats might not suffice.

That is one thing the commies make that may help you The CZ 52 or Makarov in a pistol or the AK in a rifle they are cheap and easy to care for.

179 scratch  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:26:21pm

re: #163 itellu3times

...Come on, Drudge, link to the zombie.

It may be just a coincidence, but twice I have simply emailed juicy tidbits to "drudge at drudgereport dot com," and both times they appeared on his page within a short period of time.

180 Catttt  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:28:03pm

re: #170 TnTx13

Just wait until Obama needs a plumber ;)

Plumbers make good money. The building trades are a great way for a working person to get a great career. One thing I love about Todd Palin is he's a working guy, and one of his pet projects in Alaska is helping people get apprenticeships in the trades.

I cringe when Barry opens his mouth about Joe, because he is so obviously looking down at the "little people." He is so ignorant that he doesn't realize that once you get a master's license, the sky's the limit.

I keep thinking of the movie Moonstruck, where Cher's dad was a VERY WEALTHY plumber.

181 victor_yugo  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:28:09pm

re: #167 Catttt

That reminds me - I need a pistol. Knife and two cats might not suffice.

Unless one cat is a lion and the other is a melanistic cougar.

/here kitty kitty

182 x-wing  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:28:34pm

re: #167 Catttt

That reminds me - I need a pistol. Knife and two cats might not suffice.


Going out Monday to purchase mass quantities of .45, .357, and 12 guage ammo.

/shh,don't tell anyone.

183 scratch  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:28:48pm

re: #168 Irene NYC

That was me who suggested people write reviews stating that Ayers was a terrorist, etc. at Amazon

Yeah, getting news out about a piece of crap like Ayers is really awful. Especially when almost every news organ in the country refuses to say anything about his past. And especially when the fate of our country is literally at stake.

I'm so disappointed in myself for making that suggestion.

//////////////////

Hi Irene. As I said, no offense intended, but "getting the news out" is not the issue. Spamming a website intended for book reviews is the issue.

184 Adina in Judea  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:28:51pm

re: #174 Inquisitive

.look what fans are capable of doing when their team wins the super bowl or the world series. To me it could be a lose/ lose situation in some big cities.

One thing we know for sure is that the Left is even worse at winning than they are at losing (because they do indeed see elections in terms of games where their pride is at stake.)

When they win, they're even bigger jerks than when they lose.

If people are looking to do some rioting in all this, it will be worse if Obama wins (G-d forbid.) One way or another, Obama's message in all this is division, wealth distribution, and property damage.

185 Catttt  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:29:05pm

re: #179 scratch

It may be just a coincidence, but twice I have simply emailed juicy tidbits to "drudge at drudgereport dot com," and both times they appeared on his page within a short period of time.

Wow. Neato. I've e-mailed several times with no dice, but I have a good feeling about this time.

186 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:30:57pm

re: #159 boogereatinmoron

Ayers realized that bombs were counter productive. Subverting the education system is more effective, even though it is a long term project.

187 The Archivist  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:31:11pm

HelloDare [#147]:

"If that office on the third floor were the exact same office that Ayers used -- the very same space. That would be great. We just don't know. They could have had offices on opposite ends of the 3rd floor. We just don't know."

Could someone living in that area go by the building on Monday and report back? Some office buildings are small and have but one or two offices per floor.

188 HelloDare  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:31:11pm
189 scratch  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:32:25pm

re: #185 Catttt

Wow. Neato. I've e-mailed several times with no dice, but I have a good feeling about this time.

Most likely he either discovered it himself, or received several hundred emails in addition to mine.

190 gmsc  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:33:14pm

re: #61 Killian Bundy

Secretary of State John Kerry.

/there's something to look forward to

The U.S. has already said it didn't want Kerry as president, so having him 4th in line to the presidency is very unsettling.

191 Catttt  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:33:16pm

re: #181 victor_yugo

Unless one cat is a lion and the other is a melanistic cougar.

/here kitty kitty

Siamese who is normally sweet but really REALLY scary when he goes ballistic. People take one look at him and ask "is he mean?" - so I guess he has that scary Siamese monster look, but he's actually a pussycat, if you give him what he wants and don't threaten me - or the other cat. The other cat is a huge domestic shorthair who is a bit of a coward, but if a dog comes near the patio, she goes into high gear and chases it away. She gave a German Shepard a bit of a fright one time.

192 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:34:27pm

re: #183 scratch

Hi Irene. As I said, no offense intended, but "getting the news out" is not the issue. Spamming a website intended for book reviews is the issue.

Why is it spamming? In a regularly published book review, whether or not the author was a terrorist or any part of his background or ideology are entirely fair game - especially if they should inform the subject of the book.

You honestly don't know what you're talking about, sorry.

I also take exception to your cry for only using the Marquess of Queensbury rules when dealing with ideologies that want to destroy the United States. Do you have ANY idea what lengths these people will go to to achieve their ends?

193 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:34:28pm

re: #163 itellu3times

Good evening, lizards.

Just checking to vent, why must Obama waste his money in California showing these obnoxious, mendacious ads, when the whole state is in the bag for him already anyway? Just to depress me, I guess.

Come on, Drudge, link to the zombie.

Maybe his internal polling is telling him otherwise?

194 victor_yugo  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:35:07pm

re: #191 Catttt

Sounds like my kind of cats. You know, two eyes, two ears, mouth full of teeth, tail that twitches when the cat is annoyed...

195 Inquisitive  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:36:30pm

re: #184 Adina in Judea

One thing we know for sure is that the Left is even worse at winning than they are at losing (because they do indeed see elections in terms of games where their pride is at stake.)

When they win, they're even bigger jerks than when they lose.

If people are looking to do some rioting in all this, it will be worse if Obama wins (G-d forbid.) One way or another, Obama's message in all this is division, wealth distribution, and property damage.


And if he should win.....it will all happen....and unfortunately all us McCain voters will be caught in all the fall out or should I use "that ones" word and say.....punished

196 gmsc  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:37:05pm

re: #163 itellu3times

Good evening, lizards.

Just checking to vent, why must Obama waste his money in California showing these obnoxious, mendacious ads, when the whole state is in the bag for him already anyway? Just to depress me, I guess.

Personally, I support the idea of 0bama needlessly wasting as much of his own campaign's money as possible.

197 esch  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:37:20pm

Hmmm. Sorry if this is a dupe:

Mr Obama is transferring resources to conservative strongholds like Georgia, West Virginia and even Kentucky in pursuit of a landslide victory.

I sense a bitchslap of epic proportions coming. Going after Red states?

198 Gus 802  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:37:21pm

Greta Van Susteren's special is already up on Youtube.

“Barack Obama: The Ties That Bind”

Haven't seen it yet. 4 parts.

/Must watch.

199 Palandine  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:38:04pm

re: #173 stuiec

What's REALLY weird is that Vera Baker had a partnership called Baker Wambu with a woman named Muthoni Wambu. They were political consultants on strategy and fundraising, and because they were Black women, most of their work came from members of the Congressional Black Caucus.

Vera Baker's work in fundraising for Obama you know about. But did you know that Muthoni Wambu became the deputy political director of Joe Biden's 2008 Presidential campaign?

And then Joe Biden, Mr. 1 Percent of the Primary Vote, Mr. Barack-Obama-Is-Clean-And-Articulate, gets the nod from Obama as his running mate. Doesn't that smell awfully fishy? Like maybe Biden asked Wambu to ask Baker to persuade Obama to pick Biden? Perhaps someone in Biden's campaign knew that Baker could be extremely persuasive with Barack for some reason.

I'd just like to see the media investigate--not because of any potential hanky-panky (I don't care who sleeps with who), but because she is sometimes attributed as being part of the Senate campaign and sometimes not. That, plus the fact that anything factual dealing with her is just GONE from Google (even if you look at the cache, nothing's there) and the internet archive. I didn't know you could "disappear" a person like that from teh interwebz with such success. Why?

200 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:38:52pm

re: #183 scratch

Hi Irene. As I said, no offense intended, but "getting the news out" is not the issue. Spamming a website intended for book reviews is the issue.

And what makes you think all the positive reviews for the book on Amazon, giving it a 5-star rating, are not also spam posted by Communists and/or Obots?

201 notutopia  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:39:34pm

re: #3 zombie

Now aren't you glad that Al Gore invented the internet!

202 stuiec  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:40:09pm

re: #186 FamHistoryGuy

Ayers realized that bombs were counter productive. Subverting the education system is more effective, even though it is a long term project.

Bombs are especially counterproductive if they blow up your own cadres during the manufacturing process.

203 solomonpanting  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:40:18pm

I'd sure like to know what people like this expect:

"We feel we're on the brink of a whole new life in this country," said Betsy Whitman, 69.

204 victor_yugo  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:41:49pm

re: #203 solomonpanting

I'd sure like to know what people like this expect:

"We feel we're on the brink of a whole new life in this country," said Betsy Whitman, 69.

If it's taken her 69 years to be "on the brink" of anything, she's been living in a cave.

205 JeremiahRight  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:42:01pm

re: #187 The Archivist

HelloDare [#147]:

"If that office on the third floor were the exact same office that Ayers used -- the very same space. That would be great. We just don't know. They could have had offices on opposite ends of the 3rd floor. We just don't know."

Could someone living in that area go by the building on Monday and report back? Some office buildings are small and have but one or two offices per floor.

the building looks like it's only 4 floors high, and not very big, using Google Maps street view feature
check it out

206 Scion9  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:42:35pm

re: #200 Alberta Oil Peon

And what makes you think all the positive reviews for the book on Amazon, giving it a 5-star rating, are not also spam posted by Communists and/or Obots?

And what makes you think that your desire to counter-spam wasn't intilled into you from early childhood by our oppressive Capitalist education system you beorgousie-loving racist pig?

/Ayers

207 Killian Bundy  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:43:03pm

re: #197 esch

Going after Red states?

Why not?

/he's currently coasting in all the battleground states

208 notutopia  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:43:22pm

re: #157 zombie

Okay Zombie,
Sent also to Frank at Fox and Kurtz at the Corner, National Review.
G' Night all!

209 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:44:26pm

Yuri Bezmenov interview, 1985

Bezmenov is a former KGB agent, who defected to the West in 1970. Here he describes the 4 classic phases of Soviet subversion of a country. Interesting to see how much of it has come to pass in the U.S.A.

210 Metal Man  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:45:07pm

re: #186 FamHistoryGuy

Ayers realized that bombs were counter productive. Subverting the education system is more effective, even though it is a long term project.

Ayers was sent this see 17,21 and 30to start with.

211 scratch  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:45:34pm

re: #192 Irene NYC

Why is it spamming? In a regularly published book review, whether or not the author was a terrorist or any part of his background or ideology are entirely fair game - especially if they should inform the subject of the book.

You honestly don't know what you're talking about, sorry.

I also take exception to your cry for only using the Marquess of Queensbury rules when dealing with ideologies that want to destroy the United States. Do you have ANY idea what lengths these people will go to to achieve their ends?

If a bunch of people head to a book review site with the intent of leaving a large volume of comments without having read the book, especially if the comments are about the author rather than the book, then I consider that spamming. It also strikes me as no more effective--or acceptable--than spray painting Obama yard signs with helpful information for voters.

On another note, I was in NYC for Echo and the Bunnymen a few weeks ago. Great show, great city. On may way to catch an early train home the next morning, I stood in the middle of a deserted 7th Avenue and snapped a photo of Times Square. I wish I could post it here.

212 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:46:41pm

re: #206 Scion9

And what makes you think that your desire to counter-spam wasn't intilled into you from early childhood by our oppressive Capitalist education system you beorgousie-loving racist pig?

/Ayers

Heh! You have perfect intonation!

213 Adina in Judea  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:47:35pm

re: #197 esch

Mr Obama is transferring resources to conservative strongholds like Georgia, West Virginia and even Kentucky in pursuit of a landslide victory.

I sense a bitchslap of epic proportions coming. Going after Red states?

Obama has always planned to go after the Red States.

He's late in doing it, that's all.

Meanwhile, Obama is slipping in the Zogby poll and McCain is gaining (with Obama only two points ahead now.)

Gallup's traditional likely voter poll shows Obama only two points ahead.

The polling seems to be too heavily weighted for Democrats in the first place.

I wouldn't panic on the basis of what Obama is doing. Part of his strategy is to make himself seem "inevitable" (as Hillary once was.)

As John McCain has said - NOTHING is inevitable. This is America.

214 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:48:44pm

re: #202 stuiec

Never do an ohms check on the wires with the detonators hooked up. Bad joo-joo.

215 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:51:10pm

re: #211 scratch

Scratch,
I'm very happy that you had a memorable time in NYC. People who visit and enjoy their stay are our great ambassadors.

Now, back to what you call "spamming." As it happens, someone in my family is a book reviewer. Through this person I've spent many evenings with other professional book reviewers. I cannot tell you how many times they have admitted to not reading the book - only bits and pieces. Really!

Now, anybody who knows Amazon knows that any review is first reviewedvetted itself. So, it's not like someone could write, "Ayers is a filthy terrorist piece of sh*t," and see it published on Amazon. That does not mean, however, that you couldn't easily cadge a line or two from the book, a few quotes from a speech or two and put together a short para exposing Ayers for what he is. Why you consider this spamming is beyond me.

216 stuiec  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:51:15pm

re: #199 Palandine

I'd just like to see the media investigate--not because of any potential hanky-panky (I don't care who sleeps with who), but because she is sometimes attributed as being part of the Senate campaign and sometimes not. That, plus the fact that anything factual dealing with her is just GONE from Google (even if you look at the cache, nothing's there) and the internet archive. I didn't know you could "disappear" a person like that from teh interwebz with such success. Why?

Yes, why? If she's a legitimate businesswoman, why is her Cape Caribbean business now erased from the Web?

And I really do want to know whether it's totally coincidental that Obama picked Biden, possibly the worst of the Democrat alternatives, when Biden's deputy political director was the former partner of Obama's erstwhile D.C. fundraiser.

217 Inquisitive  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:51:51pm

re: #203 solomonpanting

I'd sure like to know what people like this expect:

"We feel we're on the brink of a whole new life in this country," said Betsy Whitman, 69.


I want a whole new life, I want change in my life and I want more hope in my life...but not the kind of life, change or hope that Obama would bring....I already have to live with what he can do...living here in IL.....that is why I will be voting for McCain on Nov. 4 ......I would rather be stuck "that one" as my Senator than as POTUS!

218 gmsc  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:52:29pm

re: #198 Gus 802

Greta Van Susteren's special is already up on Youtube.

“Barack Obama: The Ties That Bind”

Haven't seen it yet. 4 parts.

/Must watch.

Thanks for the heads up - I've downloaded it.

219 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:52:48pm

You know what makes me mad?

What makes me mad is the cruelly brutal treatment that the totall off the deep end SNL crowd gave Sara Palin. Apparently, decency is not in their language. Like the incredibly edited MSM interview that was solely designed to make her look like an idot, this was a whole new level of partisan smear.

Look I understand that some people want to villify Sara Palin because she' not shamed to be a hunter, or scorn her because she took a Down Syndrome baby to term, or because your most digustingly offensive attacks against her did not stick. I really did not expect any less.

Now go ahead and say the same about the savage misogynist attacks that McCain has leveled on the left...

You aren't just despicable in your affiliations, you are abominable because you treat human life like a throwayay toy.

We are not that stupid.

220 Killian Bundy  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:53:25pm

You know, No Country for Old Men is one [expletive deleted] up movie.

/but the Josh Brolin character ends up dead so it's cool

221 astronmr20  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:54:19pm

Something is telling me that the morning after McCain wins, there had better not be any McCain/Palin stickers on my vehicles.

/sorry if this sounds wimpy, but I'd rather not have any insurance claims on my clu report.

222 stuiec  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:54:29pm

re: #213 Adina in Judea

Obama spent a lot of time and effort on a 50-state strategy from the get-go, and it was only a few weeks ago that he gave up on that to redeploy to the battleground states.

223 HelloDare  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:54:38pm

re: #210 Metal Man

Ayers was sent this see 17,21 and 30to start with.

Thanks for that. I was hoping for a much smaller building. Strange that their addresses didn't have a suite number.

224 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:55:14pm

re: #219 really grumpy big dog Johnson

graumpy,

Don't be mad. Sarah was a pearl before swine. And brother, did it show.
;)

225 scratch  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:55:14pm

re: #215 Irene NYC

...Why you consider this spamming is beyond me.

I guess it's volume rather than content, for me. A concerted effort to generate many posts. Anyway...

226 stuiec  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:55:16pm

re: #214 FamHistoryGuy

Never do an ohms check on the wires with the detonators hooked up. Bad joo-joo.

Thanks, that goes up on my wall next to, "Always cut the BLUE wire!"

227 Adina in Judea  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:55:18pm

re: #220 Killian Bundy

"No Country for Old Men" is an "I Despise America" movie (which is why it got Best Picture at the Academy Awards.)

I'm sorry to have seen this movie.

228 solomonpanting  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:55:28pm

re: #217 Inquisitive

I would rather be stuck "that one" as my Senator than as POTUS!

We'll do our best for that scenario.

229 HelloDare  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:56:20pm

re: #227 Adina in Judea

"No Country for Old Men" is an "I Despise America" movie (which is why it got Best Picture at the Academy Awards.)

I'm sorry to have seen this movie.

I also regret seeing it.

230 astronmr20  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:56:23pm

re: #199 Palandine

I'd just like to see the media investigate--not because of any potential hanky-panky (I don't care who sleeps with who), but because she is sometimes attributed as being part of the Senate campaign and sometimes not. That, plus the fact that anything factual dealing with her is just GONE from Google (even if you look at the cache, nothing's there) and the internet archive. I didn't know you could "disappear" a person like that from teh interwebz with such success. Why?

Good point. I'm as close as one can get to a nobody, and I still pop up on Google.

231 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:56:27pm

re: #221 astronmr20

Something is telling me that the morning after McCain wins, there had better not be any McCain/Palin stickers on my vehicles.

/sorry if this sounds wimpy, but I'd rather not have any insurance claims on my clu report.

I plan on staying indoors November 5th and 6th. And don't you dare call me a whimp!
;)

232 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:57:45pm

re: #225 scratch

I guess it's volume rather than content, for me. A concerted effort to generate many posts. Anyway...

I've seen books on amazon with 4, 5, 6 pages of reviews. It's what makes amazon amazon. And I'm pretty sure that a lot of those reviews were written by people who hadn't actually read the book.
;)

233 astronmr20  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:57:46pm

re: #227 Adina in Judea

"No Country for Old Men" is an "I Despise America" movie (which is why it got Best Picture at the Academy Awards.)

I'm sorry to have seen this movie.

Why do you think it was anti-american?

The villains were all Mexican.

234 Metal Man  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:58:06pm

re: #226 stuiec

Thanks, that goes up on my wall next to, "Always cut the BLUE wire!"

EOD techs need to know that stuff. My tool of choice is run.

235 Adina in Judea  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:58:20pm

re: #224 Irene NYC

Sarah was a pearl before swine. And brother, did it show.

Did it ever!

The current SNL players truly are not worthy.

236 stuiec  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:58:50pm

re: #221 astronmr20

Something is telling me that the morning after McCain wins, there had better not be any McCain/Palin stickers on my vehicles.

/sorry if this sounds wimpy, but I'd rather not have any insurance claims on my clu report.

Even more so if McCain loses: the thugs will feel they have the authority of the new regime behind them.

237 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:58:58pm

re: #225 scratch

I guess it's volume rather than content, for me. A concerted effort to generate many posts. Anyway...

One other question scratch.

You've been on LGF almost as long as I have, but you rarely post. What is it about this topic that has gotten you so worked up (if you don't mind my asking)?

238 astronmr20  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:59:27pm

re: #236 stuiec

Even more so if McCain loses: the thugs will feel they have the authority of the new regime behind them.

You make an excellent point....

239 MrSnuggles  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:00:17am

Noob question here, is there any way to see how many updings one has? or how many posts?

240 Inquisitive  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:00:39am

re: #236 stuiec

Even more so if McCain loses: the thugs will feel they have the authority of the new regime behind them.


It is going to be a lose/lose situation come Nov. 5th

241 astronmr20  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:01:25am

re: #240 Inquisitive

It is going to be a lose/lose situation come Nov. 5th

It's gonna look like France any way we slice it, for a few days.

242 Irene NYC  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:02:01am

re: #239 MrSnuggles

Noob question here, is there any way to see how many updings one has? or how many posts?

MrS,
Click your avatar or football. Not only will you see how many posts you've posted, and when you joined, but you'll see your lizard registration number (only you can see that when you click). Updings? I'm unaware of any counter.

243 notutopia  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:02:05am

re: #3 zombie

Sent to Wall Street Journal

244 Gus 802  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:02:12am

re: #239 MrSnuggles

Click on the persons (or your own) icon.

245 Macker  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:03:19am

re: #170 TnTx13

Just wait until Obama needs a plumber ;)

He'll just call up Mr. Dinner Jacket and supply his own Vaseline®.

246 astronmr20  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:04:02am

Anyone want to take a crack at guessing what 0 is going to say in his 30-minutes of airtime he has purchased?

247 gmsc  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:04:32am

re: #234 Metal Man

EOD techs need to know that stuff. My tool of choice is run.

This reminds me of the episode of CSI (the Las Vegas one, that is) where a guy is arrested for building numerous pipe bombs and illegally storing liquid explosives. To eliminate the liquid explosives, they have to destroy them in place, blowing up the guy's house.

As he's being taken to jail, he threatens to sue the city, and claims he's going to own the police station when he's done suing the city. He even says, "As a matter of fact, I'll just live right here! Whaddaya think of that?"

One of the two arresting officers looks at him sternly and says, "We'll get you a room."

248 Odinga  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:04:37am

While everyone is obsessing over Joe the Plumbers back taxes Obama seems to be embroiled in an ethics violation over taxes.
Just to remind you, Illinois prohibits state legislators from taking speaking fees, and Barack reported "speaking fees.":

249 Irene NYC  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:04:45am

re: #246 astronmr20

Anyone want to take a crack at guessing what 0 is going to say in his 30-minutes of airtime he has purchased?

It's not what he'll say, it'll be how he says it. He's out to hypnotize the world.
;)

250 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:04:58am

re: #233 astronmr20

Why do you think it was anti-american?

The villains were all Mexican.

The title explains it.

The point of the movie is that Hollywood views America as being crap compared to the America that old American men remembered in the 1970s. They picked the 1970s as a time when America became crap, in their view.

The Left (especially in Hollywood) is still stuck in their Vietnam era angst.

They can't express themselves properly without wanting to puke when they think of America. It comes out in films like "No Country for Old Men."

251 zombie  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:05:14am

Now on Pat Dollard and also currently the top news link on Hot Air.

252 Metal Man  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:05:46am

re: #240 Inquisitive

It is going to be a lose/lose situation come Nov. 5th

I'll have to trade cars with the kid for a month or 2 and transfer my McCain sticker to it. Just to test that theory:) How bad can they f up a $1000 car.

253 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:06:02am

re: #233 astronmr20

The villains were all Mexican.

Except for the best supporting actor psychopath, pretty much the only one who barely lives.

/the compressed air punch and the silenced shotgun are a nice touch

254 stuiec  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:06:14am

re: #234 Metal Man

EOD techs need to know that stuff. My tool of choice is run.

I need to know that stuff for my screenwriting hobby. Fortunately, I don't need to know the factually accurate versions of that stuff, just the cinematically interesting versions. For example, speaking of running, it works even better in celluloid reality, where it's completely possible to outrun both the shock wave of the blast and the projectile bits of debris.

255 Irene NYC  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:07:05am

re: #251 zombie

Terrific!

BTW, everyone, Sarah pix is on the front page of the NYT. They've got a little article above the fold about her SNL appearance.

256 FamHistoryGuy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:07:36am

re: #234 Metal Man

I once considered training for EOD. Decided that my memory and nerves were not up to it. I stuck to uploading and downloading bombs on airplanes.

461X0=Munitions handler (bomb dump)
462X0=Bomb loader
463X0=Missile tech
464X0=EOD

Never turn an anti-withdrawal fuse to the left.

257 Metal Man  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:08:01am

re: #247 gmsc

Yeah that stuff will get you a room at the state hotel:)

258 Inquisitive  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:08:24am

re: #246 astronmr20

Anyone want to take a crack at guessing what 0 is going to say in his 30-minutes of airtime he has purchased?

"I am the one whom we have been waiting for" over and over for 30 min....hypnotizing everyone.....

259 pat  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:08:44am

re: #251 zombie

Now on Pat Dollard and also currently the top news link on Hot Air.

Congrats. Cool.

260 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:09:36am

re: #246 astronmr20

Anyone want to take a crack at guessing what 0 is going to say in his 30-minutes of airtime he has purchased?

If he doesn't offer free steak knives, his infomercial is going to be pretty boring.

261 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:09:51am

re: #124 Killian Bundy

Those are spindly little bastids.
Try these.

262 Inquisitive  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:10:20am

re: #252 Metal Man

I'll have to trade cars with the kid for a month or 2 and transfer my McCain sticker to it. Just to test that theory:) How bad can they f up a $1000 car.

Not the car I would be worried about.......

263 BakaRanger  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:11:22am

re: #92 zombie

I understand completely about being secretive. Good advice about taking a lot of images and improve them with available software. I see your photos and always think what camera is he using, they always look so great. Then I look at my camera a think what a piece of s&*t.

264 FamHistoryGuy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:12:13am

re: #241 astronmr20

With a higher body count for the bad guys though.

265 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:12:38am

re: #221 astronmr20

Something is telling me that the morning after McCain wins, there had better not be any McCain/Palin stickers on my vehicles.

/sorry if this sounds wimpy, but I'd rather not have any insurance claims on my clu report.

I don't care much about my car, it's old and worthless, but the roommate just started leasing a new Mazda3 (it replaced her eighteen-year-old Japanese sedan which was falling apart - it was NOT a frivolous expense) and we don't want to have to be repairing it if the locals decide to take out their racial pain on Whitey's Stuff.

I live across a major thoroughfare from an area that's a bit... less than good. Heavy on minorities, and higher in crime stats. For that matter, my complex is no white country club either, though it's fairly middle class - most of the black folks in my immediate neighborhood are doing much better than I am. But after one poster's comment here the other night that he overheard two otherwise apparently sensible women at his place of work making plans to "either celebrate or riot, whatever's necessary" on Nov. 5th, I plan on being ready for an emergency. I went ahead and ordered myself a holster for my 9mm, and I talked with the roommate about the possibility of having to bug out for a day or two, depending on what happens.

I don't know what to expect, really. Possibilities range from "absolutely nothing" to pretty much any kind of anti-social behavior: harassment, assault, vandalism, looting, maybe worse. Worst-case scenario would be the sort of trouble that has me putting a "You loot, we shoot" sign out on my porch; I would hold down the fort while the roommate takes the cats and stays with her parents.

This whole Obama thing is shaping up to be just plain f-cking BAD for this country, any way you slice it. If he wins, the lefties run rampant and we might not ever have enough money to pay our way out of the hole he could put us in... If he loses, we might see violence, and racial hatreds real and imaginary re-kindled all over again. Mr. "Post Racial" could end up setting race relations back thirty years. I just don't know if there's enough sanity left in the country to deal with this situation maturely.

Politics seems to bring out the worst in people, and that "worst" has been getting worse for a long time now, IMO. I can remember when elections didn't have me concerned about the possibility of being attacked in the street.

266 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:12:45am

re: #256 FamHistoryGuy

I once considered training for EOD. Decided that my memory and nerves were not up to it. I stuck to uploading and downloading bombs on airplanes.

461X0=Munitions handler (bomb dump)
462X0=Bomb loader
463X0=Missile tech
464X0=EOD

Never turn an anti-withdrawal fuse to the left.

/definition of a son of a bitch

267 odinga  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:14:28am

MUST SEE THIS:

Add this to the Zombie Photo of Obamas Book Review.

Ayers MENTIONS that he lives near the WRITER OBAMA in the TEXT of AYERS BOOK, "A Kind And Just Parent" (Pages 81-82) as well as the fact THAT FARAKAN LIVES A BLOCK AWAY.

This AYERS link just gets better all the time

268 Neo Con since 9-11  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:15:25am

A link to the google version of the Ayers book in question [Link: books.google.com...]
And yes Ayers does mention Obama on page 82

269 Macker  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:17:23am

re: #255 Irene NYC

Terrific!

BTW, everyone, Sarah pix is on the front page of the NYT. They've got a little article above the fold about her SNL appearance.

I take it Maureen Dowd still hasn't gotten lucky lately....

270 gmsc  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:17:39am

Just for fun, cheer, and schandefreude: NY Times stock price from 2004-2008

271 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:17:54am

re: #265 Pawn of the Oppressor

This whole Obama thing is shaping up to be just plain f-cking BAD for this country, any way you slice it.

Obama is a person who is set on damaging the country and the world.

Whatever happens on November 4th, the next day is going to be rough.

272 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:18:06am

re: #261 rawmuse

Those are spindly little bastids.
Try these.

/they look to be about the same thing, not designed to resist cat climbing

273 Metal Man  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:18:51am

re: #262 Inquisitive

Not the car I would be worried about.......

I may be a moron but if they push things to the level of attacking me I might as well know my fate sooner than later.

274 scratch  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:19:27am
One other question scratch.

You've been on LGF almost as long as I have, but you rarely post. What is it about this topic that has gotten you so worked up (if you don't mind my asking)?

Maybe you clicked the wrong user? I've been READING since 2004, but only registered a few weeks ago. Funny thing...no announcement or anything...just checked the site and saw that registration was open.

Whoa...holy smokes, that's weird. I just clicked my football and saw the date. I just registered a few weeks ago! Must have been some sort of wrinkle in the continuum.

Anyway, to answer your question in more detail, I remember seeing the online polls all out of wack back in 2004, and it didn't take long to figure out that the lefty sites were stuffing the polls en masse. I didn't much care for the tactic. But I assure you I am all for getting the word out on Ayers, if indeed that can be done. In fact, I would love to give McCain this advice: "When you attack Obama, you need to pull the thread about 6 inches more than you have been. Bring up Ayers, then tell people that he set bombs right here in the U.S.. Say that Obama wants to "spread the wealth", then tell people that he has promised tax cuts to more people than actually pay taxes. Etc. etc.

I am hopeful but not optimistic at this point.

275 pat  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:19:36am

Obama will destroy what is necessary to achieve justice. That means America.

276 stuiec  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:20:17am

re: #265 Pawn of the Oppressor

One good thing that would come out of that blast of insanity, if it materializes, would be that the complacent ordinary folks would get a serious wake-up call about the dangers of radicalism and revolutionary violence that people on the Right have been warning about for years. The apologists for the rioters will try to draw parallels to the riots in the wake of Martin Luther King's assassination, but the vast majority of folks will understand that grief and outrage at an assassination are one thing and disappointment at the outcome of an election is another. Americans detest sore losers, and nothing says sore loser than nationwide rioting in the streets.

277 tradewind  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:20:27am

Damn
straight
skippy.....

' ...you have not attempted to locate Barack Obama's drug dealer from his earlier days, nor interviewed his relatives living in poverty in Africa as to why he hasn't rescued them...'

[Link: gretawire.foxnews.com...]

278 HelloDare  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:21:43am

Was over at Hot Air reading the comments about Zombie's story. Thought this comment was brilliant.


I think a 15-year-old should ask Barry this question:

“Senator Government, I was 8 years old at the time osama bin laden and his pals killed thousands of Americans in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania. How long should I wait before I can review his videos or hold a fundraiser in his cave?”

Ronnie on October 19, 2008 at 12:40 AM

279 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:22:31am

re: #272 Killian Bundy

Cats love to climb on precious musical instruments. I have one that killed a favorite bass of mine, a 3/4 size German one, worth about $4000. Turned it in to kindling.

The cat still lives, to this day. I blamed myself for that one.

280 gmsc  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:22:47am

re: #275 pat

Obama will destroy what is necessary to achieve justice. That means America.

...and he'll destroy justice along the way.

281 gmsc  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:25:04am

re: #278 HelloDare

Was over at Hot Air reading the comments about Zombie's story. Thought this comment was brilliant.

I think a 15-year-old should ask Barry this question:
“Senator Government, I was 8 years old at the time osama bin laden and his pals killed thousands of Americans in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania. How long should I wait before I can review his videos or hold a fundraiser in his cave?”

Ronnie on October 19, 2008 at 12:40 AM

0bama's reply: "Well, as long as you assume he's been rehabilitated, anytime is good."

282 Metal Man  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:25:05am

re: #266 Killian Bundy

/definition of a son of a bitch

That's kinda like joke one of the guys in my lab used to pull. It was safe enough in our case since it was an enclosed saw. But he would take a aluminum cake tin and drop it behind you as you were cutting something. Never got used to it since you focus on whats in the saw.

283 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:26:41am

re: #279 rawmuse

Cats love to climb on precious musical instruments. I have one that killed a favorite bass of mine, a 3/4 size German one, worth about $4000. Turned it in to kindling.

The cat still lives, to this day. I blamed myself for that one.

The 1972 (July) Rickenbacker 4000 stereo bass (serial #LG681)
blonde "checkerboard" is still too big a mountain for Kitten Bill to climb.

/maybe I'll just have to dig out the cases if he goes after them again

284 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:27:24am

re: #280 gmsc

re: #275 pat

Obama will destroy what is necessary to achieve justice. That means America.

...and he'll destroy justice along the way.

Lord Barry wants to reinvent America to be a place where justice doesn't matter. He wants everything (especially the Supreme Court) to be slanted for those people considered less privileged.

If this is how America had always been, it wouldn't have been the land of opportunity for the many millions of immigrants who have come to America to look for better lives and futures for their children.

Barry wants to make America become the place that Europeans were trying to leave when they immigrated to America.

Barry intends to leave no stone unturned to undo America.

285 Inquisitive  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:27:24am

re: #274 scratch

Maybe you clicked the wrong user? I've been READING since 2004, but only registered a few weeks ago. Funny thing...no announcement or anything...just checked the site and saw that registration was open.

Whoa...holy smokes, that's weird. I just clicked my football and saw the date. I just registered a few weeks ago! Must have been some sort of wrinkle in the continuum.

Anyway, to answer your question in more detail, I remember seeing the online polls all out of wack back in 2004, and it didn't take long to figure out that the lefty sites were stuffing the polls en masse. I didn't much care for the tactic. But I assure you I am all for getting the word out on Ayers, if indeed that can be done. In fact, I would love to give McCain this advice: "When you attack Obama, you need to pull the thread about 6 inches more than you have been. Bring up Ayers, then tell people that he set bombs right here in the U.S.. Say that Obama wants to "spread the wealth", then tell people that he has promised tax cuts to more people than actually pay taxes. Etc. etc.

I am hopeful but not optimistic at this point.


Maybe you just forgot.....
/did you happen to registered a sockpuppet a few weeks ago

286 DisturbedEma  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:27:57am

re: #220 Killian Bundy

You know, No Country for Old Men is one [expletive deleted] up movie.

/but the Josh Brolin character ends up dead so it's cool

I love a happy ending. . .he was such a smug fuck on SNL tonight. . .

287 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:29:30am

re: #283 Killian Bundy

My Bass Killer cat is one of those black and white ones with a Hitler moustache.
That he lives is a testament to my largesse.

288 Gus 802  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:30:18am

re: #287 rawmuse

Aren't those called Tuxedo Cats?

289 gmsc  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:30:39am

re: #287 rawmuse

My Bass Killer cat is one of those black and white ones with a Hitler moustache.
That he lives is a testament to my largesse.

Have you sent his picture to catsthatlooklikehitler.com?

290 Palandine  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:30:41am

re: #221 astronmr20

Something is telling me that the morning after McCain wins, there had better not be any McCain/Palin stickers on my vehicles.

/sorry if this sounds wimpy, but I'd rather not have any insurance claims on my clu report.

I'm voting, then I'm removing my bumper sticker, then I'm putting the car in the garage. Discretion is the better part of valor.

Ooh, Alien is on Fox Movie Channel. That scene with John Hurt, and the *sound* the alien makes in it, still squicks me out...

291 Neo Con since 9-11  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:30:45am

Heh we got a live troll in the undead's thread

292 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:31:40am

I liked "No Country For Old Men", and the new one from the Cohen Bros.
"Burn After Reading".


I got a song, ain't got no morals.
It's the Bad Guy win every once in a while.
-Billy Preston

293 gmsc  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:32:40am

re: #290 Palandine

I'm voting, then I'm removing my bumper sticker, then I'm putting the car in the garage. Discretion is the better part of valor.

Ooh, Alien is on Fox Movie Channel. That scene with John Hurt, and the *sound* the alien makes in it, still squicks me out...

Thanks to Spaceballs, I can never again watch that scene in Alien without laughing.

294 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:32:52am

re: #289 gmsc

That is funny! I'll send one in.

295 DisturbedEma  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:33:28am

re: #292 rawmuse

I liked "No Country For Old Men", and the new one from the Cohen Bros.
"Burn After Reading".


I got a song, ain't got no morals.
It's the Bad Guy win every once in a while.
-Billy Preston

You are entitled. . .I cannot stand Brolin. . .but I loved Fargo and Raising Arizona. . .

296 gmsc  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:33:52am

re: #288 Gus 802

Aren't those called Tuxedo Cats?

Thanks to the internet, they're now called Kitlers.
;)

297 DisturbedEma  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:34:43am

re: #280 gmsc

...and he'll destroy justice along the way.

No justice. . .no peace. . .just pieces. . .

298 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:35:24am

re: #287 rawmuse

My Bass Killer cat is one of those black and white ones with a Hitler moustache.
That he lives is a testament to my largesse.

You just can't imagine how pissed off I was when I heard that dull "twang" of a Les Paul hitting the deck, or maybe you can.

/he tipped it over sideways, which is the only reason the neck didn't break

299 Tamron  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:36:10am

in 1997 Michelle Obama, Associate Dean of Student Services at the U of Chicago, invited William Ayers and Senator Barack Obama to be two of four members of a panel on juvenile justice. Here's an article that appeared in the U of C News regarding that event:

CLOSE-UP ON JUVENILE JUSTICE
By Jennifer Vanasco
University of Chicago News Office
November 6, 1997 - Vol. 17, Nol 4

Children who kill are called "super predators," "people with no conscience," "feral pre-social beings" -- and "adults."

William Ayers, author of A Kind and Just Parent: The Children of Juvenile Court (Beacon Press, 1997), says "We should call a child a child. A 13-year-old who picks up a gun isn't suddenly an adult. We have to ask other questions: How did he get the gun? Where did it come from?"

Ayers, who spent a year observing the Cook County Temporary Juvenile Detention Center in Chicago, is one of four panelists who will speak on juvenile justice at 6 p.m. Thursday, Nov. 20, in the C-Shop. The panel, which marks the 100th anniversary of the juvenile justice system in the United States, is part of the Community Service Center's monthly discussion series on issues affecting the city of Chicago. The event is free and open to the public.

Ayers will be joined by Sen. Barack Obama, Senior Lecturer in the Law School, who is working to combat legislation that would put more juvenile offenders into the adult system; Randolph Stone, Director of the Mandel Legal Aid Clinic; Alex Correa, a reformed juvenile offender who spent seven years in Cook County Temporary Detention Center; Frank Tobin, a former priest and teacher at the Detention Center who helped Correa; and Willy Baldwin, who grew up in public housing and is currently a teacher at the Detention Center.

The juvenile justice system was founded by Chicago reformer Jane Addams, who advocated the establishment of a separate court system for children which would act like a "kind and just parent" for children in crisis.

One hundred years later, the system is "overcrowded, under-funded, over-centralized and racist," Ayers said.

Michelle Obama, Associate Dean of Student Services and Director of the University Community Service Center, hopes bringing issues like this to campus will open a dialogue between members of the University community and the broader community.

"Students and faculty explore these issues in the classroom, but it is an internal conversation," [Michelle] Obama said. "We know that issues like juvenile justice impact the city of Chicago, this nation and -- directly or indirectly -- this campus. This panel gives students a chance to hear about the juvenile justice system not only on a theoretical level, but from the people who have experienced it."

Do you get Ayers' viewpoint? Here's what he is saying: A teenager who murders is not at fault. The fault lies only in the gun they were using, and how they got the gun. (Incidentally, what if he didn't use a gun?) A murderer is not a murderer, until he's had at least 18 birthdays.
.

300 Gus 802  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:36:49am

re: #296 gmsc

Voted for Kryspin.

301 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:37:06am

re: #298 Killian Bundy

Mine made that classic, unmistakable "El Ka-bong" sound.

302 gmsc  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:38:01am

re: #300 Gus 802

Voted for Kryspin.

Did you see Conky? Too funny!

303 Metal Man  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:39:06am

re: #284 Adina in Judea

Barry may be evil incarnate or he is just greedy. These politicians are mostly just trying to get the goose to lay the golden eggs faster to feed their greed. They just can;t imagine they are on the brink of killing that goose.

It is odd that all one needs to know about how we are being f^&ked by politics is in these four childrens books.

The Ant and the Grasshopper
The Little Red Hen
The Boy who cried Wolf
Chicken Little

Oh and the one with the goose of course.

304 Maximu§  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:39:46am

Hey gang, I am bombed tonight

305 Gus 802  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:41:30am

re: #302 gmsc

Cute. Looks like he's ready willing and able to jump on a fine bass any minute now. Giant whiskers -- he'll be wide body for sure.

306 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:42:27am

On the bright side, I just watched Palin on SNL.

I'm sorry, y'all can complain about it if you like, but when Amy Pohler "shot" the moose, I laughed until I cried.

307 laZardo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:45:15am

re: #303 Metal Man

Barry may be evil incarnate or he is just greedy. These politicians are mostly just trying to get the goose to lay the golden eggs faster to feed their greed. They just can;t imagine they are on the brink of killing that goose.

It is odd that all one needs to know about how we are being f^&ked by politics is in these four childrens books.

The Ant and the Grasshopper
The Little Red Hen

The Boy who cried Wolf
Chicken Little

Oh and the one with the goose of course.

Michelle Malkin did the first one, I think I saw the second one in a post a couple days ago.

308 laZardo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:46:03am

re: #306 Pawn of the Oppressor

I don't see anything wrong with Palin and McCain appearing as themselves on SNL. It shows that at least we can laugh at ourselves once in a while, unlike others who get OFFENDED when their candidate is "portrayed."

309 Gus 802  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:47:26am

Here's a clear mugshot of John Podesta who's leading Obama's imaginary transition team.

Former Clinton hack.

/Looks like your typical EU Parliament geek.

310 Inquisitive  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:47:29am

Time for me to say good night.......it has been as usual enlightening and entertaining ......Great job Zombie, and as far watching SNL....in Sarah's words......NEVER AGAIN!
p.s.thanks Charles for a great place to hang out!

311 Metal Man  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:52:12am

re: #307 laZardo

I think somebody did a version of The Little Red Hen here today or last night. Which was my inspiration.

312 Salem  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:52:35am

If Obama wins, there may well be celebration riots, just like after championship games.

313 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:53:42am

I missed Sarahcuda's SNL appearence....anyone care to give me the nutshell version of her appearence and the cast and audiences reaction?

314 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:54:12am

re: #308 laZardo

I don't see anything wrong with Palin and McCain appearing as themselves on SNL. It shows that at least we can laugh at ourselves once in a while, unlike others who get OFFENDED when their candidate is "portrayed."

I liked when they had McCain on during the primaries, and he was telling the Democrats that they should take their time picking a nominee...

"And don't forget about that John Edwards guy. Maybe you should go back and kick the tires on him again, too..."

Speaking of McCain on TV, he was on Leno the day after Ascension at Invescos, and he was pretty funny and self-deprecating, AND he made some heavyweight comments about the Bush admin too. He called Rumsfeld "one of the worst SecDefs we've ever had", flat out, right there on the show, in the context of talking about Petraeus' surge tactics in Iraq.

McCain gives us more insight into his thinking on a f-ckin' late night talk show than we get from Obama in a Presidential debate. How sad is that?

315 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:54:45am

re: #270 gmsc

Just for fun, cheer, and schandefreude: NY Times stock price from 2004-2008

Their dollar value is now 2/7 what it was five years ago.

316 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:56:16am

re: #313 Fenway_Nation

I missed Sarahcuda's SNL appearence....anyone care to give me the nutshell version of her appearence and the cast and audiences reaction?

She rocked, Lorne Michaels took a swipe at his own 30 Rock, and everyone else pretty well stunk out loud.

317 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:56:56am

re: #312 Salem

If Obama wins, there may well be celebration riots, just like after championship games.

/Obama's Election Night in Chicago

318 laZardo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:57:12am

re: #314 Pawn of the Oppressor

Comedy shows are the only places where it's okay to pretty much "let it all out" as compared to the rigid PC standards of a debate...

319 Metal Man  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:57:45am

re: #313 Fenway_Nation

See it here.

320 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:58:34am

re: #308 laZardo

I don't see anything wrong with Palin and McCain appearing as themselves on SNL. It shows that at least we can laugh at ourselves once in a while, unlike others who get OFFENDED when their candidate is "portrayed."

Hey Lazardo...I'm being you tonight..it's 4am and i can't sleep!
whad up?

321 Gus 802  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:00:40am

re: #319 Metal Man

God Lord, Alec Baldwin with Sarah Palin on NBC.

Funny stuff actually.

322 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:01:14am

re: #313 Fenway_Nation

I missed Sarahcuda's SNL appearence....anyone care to give me the nutshell version of her appearance and the cast and audiences reaction?

Description follows, SPOILERS if you haven't seen it (but I won't give away the punchlines)

1. Fey up on the podium pretending to be SP, then they cut to the hallway and the real Palin is watching herself on TV, with Lorne Michaels. Arec Bardwin comes up, complains to Michaels about Palin being on the show, not realizing that it's NOT Tina Fey next to him. Baldwin ends up taking Palin on a "tour" - he goes over to Fey at the podium, whispers in her ear. The real Palin and Fey end up passing one another on stage and, from my POV, Fey looked genuinely snotty towards Palin as they passed... Palin gives the Live from NY intro.

2. Palin on weekend update. She's about to start speaking when she says she can't do "what we rehearsed", Pohler says she'll do it if Palin won't, then she breaks into a rap song about... Well, every funny stereotype of Palin. Pohler raps herself off stage, then the weekend update guy says to Palin, "Yeah, I don't think you should have done that" and Palin says "you betcha!"

That was it. I L'd my A O at the rap bit. For what little she was on, she did great, especially on the weekend update bit. She used to be a sportscaster, after all.

323 Salem  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:01:37am

re: #317 Killian Bundy

/Obama's Election Night in Chicago

Ought to be at least a few shocked Obama supporters starting to ask themselves what they've gotten themselves into after that.

324 Gus 802  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:01:41am

Correction: meant Good Lord. Could use an edit option. My fault.

325 laZardo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:02:53am

re: #320 HoosierHoops

Drawing up a rendering sketch for a supermarket "product stand" for a local brand of powdered orange juice. It's designed like an orange tree where kids can 'pick' the orange juice packets off to put in the shopping carts.

/what better way to pass a lazy Sunday afternoon...

326 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:03:49am

Oh, and I have to hand it to Amy Poehler. She was awesome.

327 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:04:46am

By the way, I'm thinking that 0bama's half-hour infomercial that's supposed to delay the start of the World Series will likely backfire....I mean out of all the people who might be watching, how many do you think haven't made up their minds yet?

Not to mention two of the three possible teams representing the cities still playing for the WS are firmly in the bag for the big 0

328 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:05:06am

Just wanted to add one last thought about the election...

In the last few weeks of the primaries, Hillary clobbered Obama massively in some of those states. The only reason she couldn't catch up to Obama was the nature of the delegate system (where he got a similar number of delegates that Hillary got even though he lost primary after primary after primary to her towards the end.)

The electoral college doesn't work the same way.

Obama was so weakened by the end of the primaries that he had to get that vote about Michigan and Florida receiving half-votes for each delegate before he felt comfortable enough to move towards the convention.

In his home state, Obama is more accustomed to winning by having other candidates knocked out of the race for some reason. He's never won an election where he had serious opposition.

Obama is losing ground now. He only surged forward because of the Fannie Mae / Freddie Mac debacle (which the Democrats blamed on the Republicans.)

Obama isn't any more "inevitable" than Hillary turned out to be.

329 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:07:21am

re: #323 Salem

Ought to be at least a few shocked Obama supporters starting to ask themselves what they've gotten themselves into after that.

/damn right, this is how I picture Lord President For Life Obama voters

330 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:07:30am

re: #326 Pawn of the Oppressor

And watching Sarahcudah "dancing" (well, she was sitting, but she was still be-bopping around) to the rap about her was amazingly refreshing.

So that's 2 for 2 of the GOP names who can truly laugh at themselves. And how many of the Dems?

331 laZardo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:07:51am

re: #328 Adina in Judea

In his home state, Obama is more accustomed to winning by having other candidates knocked out of the race for some reason. He's never won an election where he had serious opposition.

Need I guess what reason that was? (;

332 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:09:48am

re: #325 laZardo

Drawing up a rendering sketch for a supermarket "product stand" for a local brand of powdered orange juice. It's designed like an orange tree where kids can 'pick' the orange juice packets off to put in the shopping carts.

/what better way to pass a lazy Sunday afternoon...

How cool...I have a big party to go to today..BBQ and beer and football...
I got a new dog today..His name is winston...
might as well drink some coffee

333 Gus 802  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:09:56am

re: #328 Adina in Judea

Interesting how the Obama camp already failed with their Keating 5 strawman which dropped like a rock in water.

McCain can easily win Florida. He should consider more advertising there and perhaps increasing Lieberman's role there.

He should make a few appearances to Michigan.

334 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:12:31am

re: #333 Gus 802

McCain can easily win Florida. He should consider more advertising there and perhaps increasing Lieberman's role there.

He should make a few appearances to Michigan.

He should do something.

/the clock is ticking and he's still losing

335 laZardo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:17:38am

re: #319 Metal Man

Mark Wahlberg!?

I watched Max Payne last Friday night and spent the hour afterward grumbling at how they butchered one of my favorite videogames...

336 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:17:41am

re: #334 Killian Bundy

He should do something.

/the clock is ticking and he's still losing

Not according to the Bradley Effect.

337 Gus 802  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:18:46am

re: #334 Killian Bundy

I know. This while the other half of America is hate to say in Welfare Mode.

The numbers were good in being against the Bailout but he chose the Big Government route. Which is barely working. Now we have Sarkozy whispering in Bush's ear about forming an International Banking System 1.0.

Is this what we want? Is this what McCain wants? How can he distinct himself from this Internationalist direction.

/I'm rambling.

338 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:19:17am

Obama's lead slips to 3 points

Striking distance.

/bad news is that it's a Zogby poll

339 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:21:09am

re: #338 Killian Bundy

bad news is that it's a Zogby poll

One ice patch doth not a winter make.

Watch for the Weekly Reader poll.

340 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:21:28am

re: #336 victor_yugo

Not according to the Bradley Effect.

I'll take what I can get, this election is that important.

/but it would be a shame if racists were the deciding factor

341 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:23:09am

re: #340 Killian Bundy

it would be a shame if racists were the deciding factor

"Racists" as defined by whom?

Murtha? Obama? Ayers? The WAB?

342 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:23:33am

re: #340 Killian Bundy

I'll take what I can get, this election is that important.

/but it would be a shame if racists were the deciding factor

Well because of the ACORN influence here his year in Indiana..I'm pretty sure McCain has lost the junkie vote.
/

343 Gus 802  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:23:44am

Gallup Traditional had McCain within 2%.

That's an even spread within a 2% error factor.

344 laZardo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:25:40am

re: #332 HoosierHoops

You get to party, I get to draw.

/and an early Happy Halloween to you... [=

345 laZardo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:26:07am

re: #341 victor_yugo

By any definition, that makes racists already the majority base. q=

346 Metal Man  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:26:10am

re: #335 laZardo

Mark Wahlberg!?

I watched Max Payne last Friday night and spent the hour afterward grumbling at how they butchered one of my favorite videogames...

I've played the game but not seen the movie. Seemed to me they put him on just as cover for how they have savaged Sarah.

347 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:26:21am

re: #341 victor_yugo

"Racists" as defined by whom?

Murtha? Obama? Ayers? The WAB?

That's the Bradley effect, they lie to pollsters with no intention of voting for a black man.

/me, I won't vote for him because he's an arrogant, ball to the wall, hardcore socialist

348 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:27:53am

re: #340 Killian Bundy

I'll take what I can get, this election is that important.

/but it would be a shame if racists were the deciding factor

The Bradley Effect isn't racism.

It's a matter of people feeling uncomfortable about saying that they don't intend to vote for the candidate who happens to be black when they're polled ahead of the election.

It's part of the "walking on eggshells" thing that has many white people afraid to be perceived as racists. So they say "Oh yeah, I'm voting for Bradley (or Obama)" when they really have other intentions for whatever reasons.

349 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:29:45am

re: #345 laZardo

By any definition, that makes racists already the majority base. q=

Bookmarked your website...hell of an artist dude..
I still need an avatar..
avatars by lazardo....:)

350 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:29:53am

re: #347 Killian Bundy

That's the Bradley effect, they lie to pollsters with no intention of voting for a black man.

This isn't the Bradley Effect.

The Bradley Effect is white people who don't want to admit to people who are polling them that they plan to choose the other candidate. They don't want to be perceived as racist.

351 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:30:09am

re: #347 Killian Bundy

That's the Bradley effect, they lie to pollsters with no intention of voting for a black man.

No, they lie because the man they have no intention of voting for, happens to be black, and they know they'll be called racists no matter what.

352 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:31:20am

re: #302 gmsc

Actually, this one is a dead ringer for the Bass Killer.

353 Metal Man  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:32:25am

re: #340 Killian Bundy

I'll take what I can get, this election is that important.

/but it would be a shame if racists were the deciding factor

I'm voting my conscience in this election. And I'm fucking sick of getting labeled a racist for it. The rest of this post is self deleted!

354 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:33:20am

re: #352 rawmuse

Actually, this one is a dead ringer for the Bass Killer.

Cats that look like Hitler.. I thught I'd seen it all..
But that's the beauty of the Internet

355 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:34:46am

Someone mentioned "tuxedo cats" earlier.

They're the ones who are mostly black (all over their backs, heads and tails) except for a white chin and stomach. Sometimes they even have four white paws, too.

They do look like they're wearing tuxedos.

356 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:34:55am

Hasta la manana, Lizards!

(can't get the proper diacritical characters for the Espanol...)

357 HelloDare  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:34:56am

Great article from American Thinker. It's in the Spinoff links upstairs. If you like it, ding it up so others can read it later this morning. I think it's spot on.
Here's how it ends:

A Harvard Trial Lawyer for McCain

"...the thing that Barack Obama seems to ponder most is his own greatness. He doesn't write biographies, he writes only autobiographies. He gives speeches which he declares to be historic. He recognizes his place in history long before he has created history. This nation is but a stage upon which Barack Obama creates his life story, and it's all about him.

Yet what great achievement has Barack Obama obtained other than his own political advancement? What historic law did he author, what historic court case did he argue, what historic battle did he fight, what cause greater than himself warranted more than a passing interest in his historic life? If my life were on the line, I wouldn't hire Barack Obama as my lawyer. I'd be concerned that he'd be up late at night working on a draft of his book about how my case affected his life.

Barack Obama loves this country, in his own words, because nowhere else could his story be possible. John McCain loves this country just because. And that's why I'll vote for John McCain."

358 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:35:27am

re: #350 Adina in Judea

This isn't the Bradley Effect.

The Bradley Effect is white people who don't want to admit to people who are polling them that they plan to choose the other candidate. They don't want to be perceived as racist.

Crap like that just perpetuates the problem.

/when does the statute of limitations on white guilt expire?

359 Gus 802  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:36:48am

I don't think the Bradley Effect will have much of an impact in this election. What we'll probably see is the reverse given the psychological profile of the typical white Liberal Voter.

We also have to keep in mind that Obama was essentially raised by his Kansas grandparents. Or as he described of his grandmother -- a typical white woman. Subject to outstanding "fact checking" of Obama's take on his history of course.

Overall, white liberals tend to associate themselves with black politicians as a general rule regardless of ideology.

360 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:38:25am

re: #351 victor_yugo

No, they lie because the man they have no intention of voting for, happens to be black, and they know they'll be called racists no matter what.

Dumb, but whatever.

/it's probably worth 2-3 points

361 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:39:49am

re: #355 Adina in Judea

Someone mentioned "tuxedo cats" earlier.

They're the ones who are mostly black (all over their backs, heads and tails) except for a white chin and stomach. Sometimes they even have four white paws, too.

They do look like they're wearing tuxedos.

Sylvester is the most famous specimen.

362 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:40:16am

re: #360 Killian Bundy

Dumb, but whatever.

/it's probably worth 2-3 points

363 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:40:57am

re: #358 Killian Bundy

when does the statute of limitations on white guilt expire?

It will be fed, watered, and fertilized if Obama is elected (G-d forbid.)

Not that it helps blacks. A quick look at Obama's areas in Chicago shows that it only makes things worse. His areas are hellholes today as Chicago just finished a summer with more murders in one city than combat deaths for American soldiers in the entire country of Iraq.

Obama is a destroyer, and his pushing of white guilt is part of what he does.

364 Metal Man  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:41:39am

re: #358 Killian Bundy

I lie to pollsters no matter the color of the candidate because I believe there is no value in any conservative thinking they can stay home election day.

Not a day in my life has the media in my area been on my side but once in awhile a conservative slips through the cracks.

365 capitalist piglet  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:42:03am

re: #49 hermeneutics

Good evening, Lizards

Did anyone see Palin on SNL? If yes, please describe in 100 words or less.

I saw it. I skipped everything but her two sketches. She was beautiful, natural, poised, and her timing and delivery was great. I know a lot of people are afraid to watch it, but I LOVED it, and I think she helped herself quite a lot tonight. People will see that she isn't the bimbo portrayed by Fey every week...and she can laugh at the parodies of herself. It's all good.

No question in my mind this was a very good move.

366 laZardo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:43:19am

re: #363 Adina in Judea

Only because the Rethuglicans are dumping all that money they could use to help those communities into some senseless war abroad, thus negating Obama's efforts!

/it's so easy to replicate their logic it scares me...

367 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:43:43am

re: #365 capitalist piglet

Good news.. I forgot to record it..

368 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:44:19am

re: #359 Gus 802

The Bradley Effect happened in California.

California helps set the standard for liberal thinking.

I think it could still happen elsewhere.

369 capitalist piglet  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:45:13am
If my life were on the line, I wouldn't hire Barack Obama as my lawyer. I'd be concerned that he'd be up late at night working on a draft of his book about how my case affected his life.

Wow. Nailed it.

370 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:45:38am

re: #361 Moe Katz

What about AOK the kitten?

371 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:45:49am

re: #363 Adina in Judea

It will be fed, watered, and fertilized if Obama is elected (G-d forbid.)

Not that it helps blacks. A quick look at Obama's areas in Chicago shows that it only makes things worse. His areas are hellholes today as Chicago just finished a summer with more murders in one city than combat deaths for American soldiers in the entire country of Iraq.

Obama is a destroyer, and his pushing of white guilt is part of what he does.

I have no doubt that slavery reparations will quickly be added to the Congressional agenda.

/and then we can all argue about how "black" we are

372 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:45:53am

re: #368 Adina in Judea

The Bradley Effect happened in California.

California helps set the standard for liberal thinking.

I think it could still happen elsewhere.

Especially if a lot of people are fed up with being browbeaten into supporting Obama for the sake of racial reconciliation.

373 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:47:09am

re: #370 Fenway_Nation

What about AOK the kitten?

Awwww cute .... nice story.

374 Gus 802  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:48:15am

re: #368 Adina in Judea

Then I could be wrong. I have lived in San Francisco and in some liberal areas. I do remember many confessionals from liberals which counter the PC stereotype -- in private.

375 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:48:23am

re: #370 Fenway_Nation

What about AOK the kitten?

/cats do the damnedest things

376 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:48:29am

re: #361 Moe Katz

Sylvester is the most famous specimen.

I had a cat like that once - complete with four white paws.

He also had very long fur.

He was quite beautiful in his tuxedo fur, especially after being groomed.

He didn't care for the bow on his head that the groomers put on him, though.

377 Metal Man  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:48:44am

re: #367 HoosierHoops

Good news.. I forgot to record it..


See it here.

She is in only 2 sketches and the other is also at the same link.

378 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:49:27am

re: #376 Adina in Judea

I had a cat like that once - complete with four white paws.

He also had very long fur.

He was quite beautiful in his tuxedo fur, especially after being groomed.

He didn't care for the bow on his head that the groomers put on him, though.

They are beautiful cats. Never had one like that, though---I've had pure white, gray tabbies, marmalade toms.

379 laZardo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:51:22am

re: #371 Killian Bundy

Since I'm Filipino I might be eligible for "colonial" reparations instead. |=

/great-grandparents were revolutionaries in 1896 against the Spaniards, as it happens...

380 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:51:27am

re: #370 Fenway_Nation

What about AOK the kitten?

Careful, there are some stomach-turning pics in that link.

381 capitalist piglet  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:51:31am

re: #306 Pawn of the Oppressor

On the bright side, I just watched Palin on SNL.

I'm sorry, y'all can complain about it if you like, but when Amy Pohler "shot" the moose, I laughed until I cried.

Me too. That whole rap thing was hilarious. Sarah was so cool, too.

382 Gus 802  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:52:12am

re: #378 Moe Katz

My favorite cat was Tuxedo. He could retrieve as well as his brother. Smart little cat and very attached.

383 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:53:22am

re: #382 Gus 802

My favorite cat was Tuxedo. He could retrieve as well as his brother. Smart little cat and very attached.

Never seen a cat retrieve, that's impressive.

384 vbspurs  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:53:24am

Hey peeps! I noticed the SNL chatter on LGF was not very copious in the previous thread (or this one). Since the Blogosphere is burning up with Palin on SNL chatter, I posted the two skit videos in the Spinoff Links.

I have to say that I thought she did FABU, considering she was a dead duck going there. All in all, though they ribbed her, she more than held her own.

Who doesn't love Palin wearing knee-high boots, bopping her head to a great rap song?

385 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:54:23am

re: #380 victor_yugo

I know....and by the authour's own account, things were looking pretty grim for little AOK. However, after some grease, oil and shoving, I'd say it worked out for the kitten.

386 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:54:42am

re: #374 Gus 802

Then I could be wrong. I have lived in San Francisco and in some liberal areas. I do remember many confessionals from liberals which counter the PC stereotype -- in private.

Me too. Even a woman friend who adopted two biracial kids but in private was not uncritical of black political orthodoxies.

387 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:55:17am

re: #385 Fenway_Nation

I know....and by the authour's own account, things were looking pretty grim for little AOK. However, after some grease, oil and shoving, I'd say it worked out for the kitten.

Nothing like a little lubricant for a tight pussy.

388 HelloDare  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:55:38am

I think the Bradley Effect is a bunch of hooey. Maybe back then it way in play, but not now.

Just an easy answer for what may happen -- Barack losing.

Did Truman win because of the Bradley Effect? Hard to see how that could have happened.

With so many negative reasons not to vote for Obama, why would somebody be compelled to lie and say they are voting for him?

Okay, if you're black, there may be a lot of pressure to lie.

Race is a positive factor for Obama. More people are voting for him just because he is black than are voting against him because he's black. There's no doubt about that.

And there was a poll awhile back that showed that McCain's age was a bigger negative than Barack's race.

A lot of this talk of the Bradley Effect is just the liberals fanning the embers of perceived racism.

389 Metal Man  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:56:00am

re: #382 Gus 802

I have cats only because without them I would have mice. I kinda have become attached to my cats but have never seen any indication I could train them:)

390 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:56:02am

re: #365 capitalist piglet

People will see that she isn't the bimbo portrayed by Fey every week...and she can laugh at the parodies of herself. It's all good.

Actually, I found myself agreeing with the words Tina Fey was putting in Sarah Palin's mouth, especially the part about "which parts aren't patriotic".

As they say, the best humor is based in reality.

391 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:56:33am

re: #377 Metal Man

She is in only 2 sketches and the other is also at the same link.

Great! thanks
You know what is sad about Joe the Plumber?
Last month he was an investment banker
-Jay Leno

392 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:57:06am

re: #387 Moe Katz

*smack*

/doing Mandy's job in her absence

393 Gus 802  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:57:34am

re: #383 Moe Katz

I thought it was too. Had another one, a Russian Blue, that would retrieve a rolled up newspaper, grudgingly, but only when I whistled.

394 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:57:37am

re: #392 victor_yugo

*smack*

/doing Mandy's job in her absence

Yes, and well deserved it would have been. Could never resist a pun waiting to be made.

395 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:58:57am

re: #388 HelloDare

Just an easy answer for what may happen -- Barack losing.

No, it's an easy answer for the polls being wrong. Not just "wrong," but "totally f$^*ing wrong."

396 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:59:17am

re: #387 Moe Katz


*SPEW!*

At least I don't have fruitcup coming out of my nose.

397 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:00:01am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------------>
Help yourselves!

398 laZardo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:00:31am

re: #397 littleoldlady

re: #396 Fenway_Nation

And here I was thinking "Littleoldlady signing on in 3...2...1..."

399 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:00:31am

Hi L.O.L.!

*mwah*

400 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:02:02am

The main thing to remember about the polls is that when they're wrong, they're never wrong in favor of Republicans. When they turn out to be wrong, they have always been wrong by showing polls too high for Democrats.

This has happened over and over again in the last 30 years, at least.

401 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:02:19am

re: #397 littleoldlady


Looks like your Phillies are one game away from a clash with the Red Sox at Fenway to open up the World Series.

/Then again, they've been one game away from a clash with the Devil Rays at Tampa to open up the World Series ever since the bottom of the 7th Thursday night.

402 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:03:19am

re: #395 victor_yugo

As an add-on, the Weekly Reader poll is devoid of the Bradley Effect. Because the kids know what the adults are saying behind closed doors.

403 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:03:30am

laZardo! :-)

victor! :-)

Best offer I've had today!
/so far
// "mwah* backatcha!

404 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:03:40am