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Open | Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 10:16:25 pm PDT

When small men begin to cast big shadows, it means that the sun is about to set.

Lin Yutang

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1 zombie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:17:21pm

I like this night so far.

2 SpartanWoman  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:17:44pm

Scary thought, but SO Obamanesque as he is deep down a small man

3 zombie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:18:18pm

Already up to 20 blog links to my Ayers review photo. That was FAST!

4 Racer X  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:18:20pm

Hope does not equal accomplishment.

Entitlement does not equal empowerment.

5 SpartanWoman  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:18:53pm

re: #1 zombie

I like this night so far.

Me too. Great info on Obama Ayers and Klonsky and I hope the story spreads like wildfire

6 pianobuff  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:20:07pm
7 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:20:31pm
8 Rancher  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:20:56pm

Thats an awesome quote. SNL is now putting me to sleep. Bring on Sarah!

9 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:21:29pm

zombie,

repost from last thread:

Then there's the question about how Obama got his review into the paper. Did Ayers ask Obama to write it? Did Obama offer to write it for Ayers? Who knew the editor of the book review to get this review placed or was the book review editor another lefty who was friends with Ayers? Etc. Etc. Etc.

10 pat  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:21:35pm

Is the Master of Illusion going to be exposed before he destroys the nation?

11 winston06  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:22:29pm

Looking forward to Monday, to be honest. Don't like Sundays.

12 zombie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:23:15pm

re: #9 Irene NYC

zombie,

repost from last thread:

Then there's the question about how Obama got his review into the paper. Did Ayers ask Obama to write it? Did Obama offer to write it for Ayers? Who knew the editor of the book review to get this review placed or was the book review editor another lefty who was friends with Ayers? Etc. Etc. Etc.

Very good questions! And I'm quite sure we'll never find out the answers.

13 logboy  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:23:17pm

Exactly how deep does the rabbit hole with the Big 0 and Ayers go?

14 wolfie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:23:50pm

re: #10 pat

God willing.

15 non-lib Nina  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:23:51pm

re: #3 zombie

Already up to 20 blog links to my Ayers review photo. That was FAST!

Nice~I hope this flys around, gotta take Obama down!

16 Racer X  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:24:01pm
17 SpartanWoman  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:24:02pm

re: #10 pat

Is the Master of Illusion going to be exposed before he destroys the nation?

I pray pray pray that he will be exposed and defeated. I convinced another Hillary supporter to vote McCain tonight

18 esch  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:24:06pm

re: #13 logboy

Exactly how deep does the rabbit hole with the Big 0 and Ayers go?

/Red-pill-ist!

19 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:24:16pm

Nighty-night!

20 cliffster  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:24:18pm

re: #10 pat

Is the Master of Illusion going to be exposed before he destroys the nation?

Yes.

21 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:24:21pm

Zombie,
I emailed your link and heard back from kaintuck. He said to tell you Hi and he forwarded it to his list.
Soon it will be everywhere.

22 JeremiahRight  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:24:31pm

wow, just finished reading all the way down the last thread when this one came up! my eyes hurt. Oh, and excellent work Zombie! I too want to see photos of Ayers & Obama together, there must be tons of them out there, or even just one photo of Obama smoking...

23 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:24:50pm

Oh, if that new troll comes by, please kick his sorry butt for me.

24 solomonpanting  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:24:55pm

When small men begin to cast big shadows, it means that the sun is about to set.

Sounds like the desire of some to see Obama's shadow bring the US down a rung or two.

25 jaunte  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:25:36pm

SNL was a huge waste of time. No more drugs, kids. Rots the brain.

26 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:25:48pm

Did I miss anything? I was bitterly clinging to my adult beverages and ALCS Game 6 earlier tonight.

27 wolfie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:25:59pm

re: #23 MandyManners

On both cheeks, Mandy.

28 non-lib Nina  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:26:02pm

re: #17 SpartanWoman

I pray pray pray that he will be exposed and defeated. I convinced another Hillary supporter to vote McCain tonight


From lurking on her forum, it looks like alot of the Hills girls are jumping ship and coming to our side! :)

29 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:26:19pm

re: #26 Fenway_Nation

Did I miss anything? I was bitterly clinging to my adult beverages and ALCS Game 6 earlier tonight.

you made a wise choice
;)

30 JeremiahRight  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:26:45pm

SNL doesn't start for another hour out here, but from what i saw in the last thread I think I'll skip it

31 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:26:49pm

G'nite you all.

32 SpartanWoman  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:26:59pm

re: #28 non-lib Nina

From lurking on her forum, it looks like alot of the Hills girls are jumping ship and coming to our side! :)

My friend was going to vote Nader, but I convinced McCain is right for issues she's concerned about.

33 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:27:07pm

re: #17 SpartanWoman

Congratulations on your conversion powers!
;)

34 non-lib Nina  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:28:09pm

re: #32 SpartanWoman

My friend was going to vote Nader, but I convinced McCain is right for issues she's concerned about.


Way to go! Gotta keep 'em coming, we can do it!

35 SpartanWoman  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:28:44pm

re: #33 Irene NYC

Congratulations on your conversion powers!
;)

Actually I told her to google Obama and Khalidi and the rest was easy

36 Karridine  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:29:38pm

re: #16 Racer X

The Vote Reaper

Excellent! Click some of his others, like "Why I'm a Conservative Republican!"

37 x-wing  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:30:08pm

re: #30 JeremiahRight

SNL doesn't start for another hour out here, but from what i saw in the last thread I think I'll skip it

Good idea. Punching yourself in the face would be less painful.

38 Cognito  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:30:12pm

Hey, what a great quote.

Have to admit I don't know Lin Yutang.

39 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:30:15pm

re: #29 Irene NYC


.....and Hockey Night in Canada after the baseball game.

....and some Boston College/Virginia Tech football when TBS was airing reruns of The Steve Harvey Show FOR THE FIRST TWO INNINGS!

40 x-wing  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:30:42pm

re: #31 newsjunkie_ky

G'nite you all.


Nite newsjunkie

41 zombie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:31:15pm

re: #21 newsjunkie_ky

Zombie,
I emailed your link and heard back from kaintuck. He said to tell you Hi and he forwarded it to his list.
Soon it will be everywhere.

Tell kaintuck: Thx!

42 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:31:16pm

re: #39 Fenway_Nation


We were f*ckin' watching the worst episode of SNL evah.
(except for Sarah Palin)

43 wolfie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:32:00pm

re: #16 Racer X

Darth Nader!

44 Racer X  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:34:16pm

re: #43 wolfie

Darth Nader!

"Why is it you liberals think you can make the Kool-Aid sweeter by adding more water"?

Classic!

45 Catttt  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:34:32pm

re: #3 zombie

Already up to 20 blog links to my Ayers review photo. That was FAST!

I love the heck out of you, Zombie. You just totally rock.

46 non-lib Nina  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:35:49pm

re: #36 Karridine

Excellent! Click some of his others, like "Why I'm a Conservative Republican!"


Excellent! I added to my Youtube playlist!

47 BHJets  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:37:23pm

Wish one of the 527's would come out with an ad contrasting Joe The Plumber with Bill The Bomber.

48 JohnAdams  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:38:50pm

I've met many regular hard working people who have fallen under the spell of The One. Classic case of the emotional knee-jerk reaction.

49 hermeneutics  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:40:49pm

Good evening, Lizards

Did anyone see Palin on SNL? If yes, please describe in 100 words or less.

50 Palandine  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:41:14pm

re: #9 Irene NYC

zombie,

repost from last thread:

Then there's the question about how Obama got his review into the paper. Did Ayers ask Obama to write it? Did Obama offer to write it for Ayers? Who knew the editor of the book review to get this review placed or was the book review editor another lefty who was friends with Ayers? Etc. Etc. Etc.

That's interesting. Why would anybody care what a lowly state senator had to say about a book? Why was Obama's quote included? Zombie's right, we'll never know.

/That's the CHICAGO way

51 stevieray  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:41:19pm

The way to damage Obama with the Ayers connection is not through Ayers' Weather Underground history, as bad as it is, but through his current belief in "continuing the revolution through education".

Ayers wants communism to be spread via the school system, and Obama helped him spread it through the CAC.

The vast majority of Americans do not want their children to be propagandized in their schools.

This connection will resonate.

52 Intrepid  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:41:38pm

I like the rotating title - "There is no hell. There is only France".

Heh.

53 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:41:49pm

re: #49 hermeneutics

Good evening, Lizards

Did anyone see Palin on SNL? If yes, please describe in 100 words or less.

to repeat:
We were f*ckin' watching the worst episode of SNL evah.
(except for Sarah Palin)

54 hermeneutics  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:43:28pm

re: #53 Irene NYC

to repeat:
We were f*ckin' watching the worst episode of SNL evah.
(except for Sarah Palin)

Oh no! What happened?

55 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:44:56pm

re: #50 Palandine

That's interesting. Why would anybody care what a lowly state senator had to say about a book? Why was Obama's quote included? Zombie's right, we'll never know.

/That's the CHICAGO way

From what I've gleaned, the book review editor chooses which books get reviewed, and for the "in short" reviews might ask someone who is a noted expert, or a professional journalist who, say, needs the dough that's a friend. I just find it kind of strange that the editor asked Obama to review it OR that Obama asked the editor to review it. What that says to me is that the editor, Obama and Ayers were all pretty closely connected. The publisher was probably connected too.

56 non-lib Nina  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:44:56pm

re: #48 JohnAdams

I've met many regular hard working people who have fallen under the spell of The One. Classic case of the emotional knee-jerk reaction.

I have a co-worker who is 28 and she thinks BO is the messiah. WTF, all her friends and family think the same way. Naive is all I can think of and the thing that really bugs me is she has a job, pays taxes, goes to church and believes in the conservative values and yet she "claims" to be a democrat. She does not even know what the h*ll she is talking about and is so competitive that no one could ever win a conversation with her if they tried. You know the type~always right. Naive girl.

57 Colonel Panik  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:44:59pm

As I said on the last thread, Saturday Night Live, like Francisco Franco, is still dead.

58 JohnAdams  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:45:52pm

re: #51 stevieray

The way to damage Obama with the Ayers connection is not through Ayers' Weather Underground history, as bad as it is, but through his current belief in "continuing the revolution through education".

Ayers wants communism to be spread via the school system, and Obama helped him spread it through the CAC.

The vast majority of Americans do not want their children to be propagandized in their schools.

This connection will resonate.

True. The fact that Ayers is not in jail, but is in fact "educating" our youth is the real troubling idea. Our country's colleges are full of professors who think likewise. Makes me think seriously about sending my $150 K to put my kid through college.

59 Inquisitive  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:45:53pm

re: #54 hermeneutics

Oh no! What happened?


it was SNL......nothing more needs to be said......several of us realized once again why we no longer watch it......

60 x-wing  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:45:57pm

re: #49 hermeneutics

Good evening, Lizards

Did anyone see Palin on SNL? If yes, please describe in 100 words or less.

Worst SNL evah. Sarah looked well though.

/how's that.

61 Killian Bundy  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:45:57pm

Secretary of State John Kerry.

/there's something to look forward to

62 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:46:08pm

re: #56 non-lib Nina

Your friend's been mesmerized.
Seriously.

63 zombie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:46:12pm

re: #51 stevieray

The way to damage Obama with the Ayers connection is not through Ayers' Weather Underground history, as bad as it is, but through his current belief in "continuing the revolution through education".

Ayers wants communism to be spread via the school system, and Obama helped him spread it through the CAC.

The vast majority of Americans do not want their children to be propagandized in their schools.

This connection will resonate.

BINGO!

I was cogitating exactly how to drive this point home somehow, in a big way.

64 Palandine  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:46:19pm

re: #32 SpartanWoman

My friend was going to vote Nader, but I convinced McCain is right for issues she's concerned about.

I'm watching the 18-year-old daughter of a friend of mine next week, and her mom's told me she's looking forward to casting her first vote for Obama. I'm going to try to change her mind, but verrrry gently. Don't want to hurt her youthful idealism, but she's a smart cookie and I hope I can show her why McCain is a better choice.

/Palandine's cast her first vote ever for Clinton in 1992, so if my friend's daughter chooses...poorly...I'm not one to judge

65 ACJohn  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:46:27pm

re: #55 Irene NYC

Great points any chance they have the same agent, publisher...

66 esch  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:46:42pm

re: #54 hermeneutics

Oh no! What happened?

Check the previous thread.

67 BakaRanger  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:46:43pm

Zombie, can you tell me what kind of camera that you use for your field work? I just bought a Minolta digital for about $350 and the resulting pictures are no where close to the quality of yours. Thanks.

68 HelloDare  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:47:03pm

re: #41 zombie

Zombie,

You may want to consider putting the title of each story in a color. I have friends who don't know that most of the time titles are permalinks.

And in some blogs, like No Oil for Pacifists and Ace of Spades, the title aren't the permalinks.

If something is in color, people know it's a link.

69 hermeneutics  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:47:08pm

re: #63 zombie

BINGO!

I was cogitating exactly how to drive this point home somehow, in a big way.

Oh, Zombie -- I sent a copy of your image as well as a link to your blog to Drudge. We'll see...

70 pat  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:47:45pm

What do you want to bet Ayers wrote the review and had his friend Obama sign off?

71 zombie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:47:47pm

re: #61 Killian Bundy

Secretary of State John Kerry.

/there's something to look forward to

Ay caramba! The party suddenly falls silent. A nauseating thought.

72 Jimmah  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:47:56pm

re: #51 stevieray

The way to damage Obama with the Ayers connection is not through Ayers' Weather Underground history, as bad as it is, but through his current belief in "continuing the revolution through education".

Ayers wants communism to be spread via the school system, and Obama helped him spread it through the CAC.

The vast majority of Americans do not want their children to be propagandized in their schools.

This connection will resonate.

Definitely. This apparent meeting of minds is far more disturbing than the mere association.

73 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:48:25pm

If any lizards have some spare time, go to Amazon and write a nasty review of Ayers' books. Call him a terrorist - whatever. Say he can't write for shit. The book that zombie is reporting on today has FIVE stars!

74 non-lib Nina  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:48:34pm

re: #62 Irene NYC

Your friend's been mesmerized.
Seriously.

Yeah, she really is not my friend, just my co-worker. If she thinks BO is the messiah, she "ain't" no one I want to be friends with! I just have to put up with her sh*t 40 hours a week. :(

75 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:49:25pm

re: #63 zombie

BINGO!

I was cogitating exactly how to drive this point home somehow, in a big way.

zombie,

Have you seen Ayers' recent speech on education that he gave in Venezuela on this point?

76 Metal Man  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:49:27pm

re: #49 hermeneutics

Yes the opening was Tina Fey impersonating Sarah. Switch to Sarah and that dork that owns SNL discussing how accurate Tina is. then one of the Baldwin brothers walks up and disses Sarah thinking she's Tina. All fairly lame but Sarah shines IMHO gotta see it to get it. And don't bother looking for the next 20 seconds where Sarah just sets up a lame rap sketch.

77 Penguinchic  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:49:46pm

This might not be anything but I did a search on Ayers and Obama in google books. I found this book. A Kind and Just Parent: The Children of Juvenile Court - Page 82, by William Ayers from that page this quote - Our neighbors include Muhammad Ali, former mayor Eugene Sawyer, poets Gwendolyn Brooks and Elizabeth Alexander, and writer Barack Obama.

I thought there would be more, but he is just describing his neighborhood. But there is several more sentences about Farrakhan as well. Maybe there is more than I think.

78 M. Bensson-Levi  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:49:53pm

re: #51 stevieray

The way to damage Obama with the Ayers connection is not through Ayers' Weather Underground history, as bad as it is, but through his current belief in "continuing the revolution through education".

Ayers wants communism to be spread via the school system, and Obama helped him spread it through the CAC.

The vast majority of Americans do not want their children to be propagandized in their schools.

This connection will resonate.

Bravo! BRAVO! You've got that exactly right! Ayers past bombings clearly show his attitude about America, and his utter ruthlessness, but the current danger that he presents is precisely what you have noted: his "war by other means" education/indoctrination of America's children.

Excellent post!

79 Odinga  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:49:59pm

Fellow Lizards,

I bring a ray of hope. Obama Plummets Among Independents

"For the first time in the polling McCain is up above 45 percent. There is no question something has happened," Zogby said.

80 x-wing  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:50:32pm

re: #72 Jimmah

Definitely. This apparent meeting of minds is far more disturbing than the mere association.

So we need to goad Ayers into a Jack Nickolson "you can't handle the truth" moment?

81 non-lib Nina  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:51:41pm

re: #79 Odinga

Fellow Lizards,

I bring a ray of hope. Obama Plummets Among Independents

"For the first time in the polling McCain is up above 45 percent. There is no question something has happened," Zogby said.

Hmmm, I wonder what it could be? The plot thickens.

82 hermeneutics  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:51:45pm

re: #79 Odinga

Fellow Lizards,

I bring a ray of hope. Obama Plummets Among Independents

"For the first time in the polling McCain is up above 45 percent. There is no question something has happened," Zogby said.

GREAT NEWS!

83 Odinga  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:52:01pm

I can feel it in my Bones. McCain/Palin are going to take this thing.

"If that trend continues, it is something that has got to raise red flags for Obama," Zogby said. "It suggests to me that his outward look of confidence may be as much strategy as it is real."
Nobama Plummets Among Independents

84 astronmr20  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:52:45pm

re: #73 Irene NYC

If any lizards have some spare time, go to Amazon and write a nasty review of Ayers' books. Call him a terrorist - whatever. Say he can't write for shit. The book that zombie is reporting on today has FIVE stars!

I'm sorry, even knowing the book is a piece of Red Crap and a communist trojan horse for schools,

I disagree with writing any reviews unless you have read some of it.

85 Catttt  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:53:17pm

I have a co-worker who is an Obamaniac. We are both political geeks and have enjoyed a couple of good IM arguments.

I think I undercut her elitist rant a bit. She admits she is an elitist - she went to private schools. She went on and on about how the elite should rule and the hoi polloi are stupid.

I gently said - I went to public schools and state colleges. You know I'm not stupid (she calls me for help on hard tax and cost basis questions) - she does know that. It's just that she WANTS to think the elite are somehow endowed to rule the peons.

She also is aware that her youth is at work here, but she just can't help herself.

86 SpartanWoman  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:54:05pm

re: #64 Palandine

I guess it depends on what issue is important to them. For my friend it was terrorism. For another colleague it was Israel and for yet another it was taxes.

Young people are frequently only half aware of why they like a popular figure whether the figure is a pol or a singer or another sort of celeb. Maybe it is a herd mentality, who knows.

I would suggest you discover her favorite issue and go there.

In 1976 I was besotted with the Dem Convention and the "why not the best?" Carter crap. Fortunately, my uncle Frank talked to me about "Mr. Peanut" and his policies. I voted Ford. At the time it was NOT the policy chat that dissuaded me, it was the ridicule in my uncle's voice. Not ridiculing me, but calling Carter "Mr. Peanut". 18 year olds cave when an iconoclast shatters their false gods

87 Catttt  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:54:59pm

re: #64 Palandine

I'm watching the 18-year-old daughter of a friend of mine next week, and her mom's told me she's looking forward to casting her first vote for Obama. I'm going to try to change her mind, but verrrry gently. Don't want to hurt her youthful idealism, but she's a smart cookie and I hope I can show her why McCain is a better choice.

/Palandine's cast her first vote ever for Clinton in 1992, so if my friend's daughter chooses...poorly...I'm not one to judge

My first vote was for - gulp - McGovern.

88 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:55:06pm

re: #79 Odinga

I think Joe happened.

89 BHJets  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:55:07pm

Mo looks to be swithcing sides

90 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:55:20pm

Ayers' in Venezuela for the World Education Forum, November 2006.

An excerpt from this link if you haven't already seen it:

This is my fourth visit to Venezuela, each time at the invitation of my comrade and friend Luis Bonilla, a brilliant educator and inspiring fighter for justice. Luis has taught me a great deal about the Bolivarian Revolution and about the profound educational reforms underway here in Venezuela under the leadership of President Chavez. We share the belief that education is the motor-force of revolution, and I’ve come to appreciate Luis as a major asset in both the Venezuelan and the international struggle—I look forward to seeing how he and all of you continue to overcome the failings of capitalist education as you seek to create something truly new and deeply humane. Thank you, Luis, for everything you’ve done.

91 Archimedes  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:55:20pm

One of the funniest comedy series ever.

Red Dwarf: :D

92 zombie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:55:27pm

re: #67 BakaRanger

Zombie, can you tell me what kind of camera that you use for your field work? I just bought a Minolta digital for about $350 and the resulting pictures are no where close to the quality of yours. Thanks.

Sorry, that is highly classified information. If my enemies knew what camera I used, they'd know what to look for. Hence, my need to keep it secret.

Though I will say: It isn't a Minolta. (Though, in an odd coincidence, the microfilm machine I used today was a Minolta!)

Another secret: The quality of the original raw photo is only half the story. It's what you do afterwards to it that makes it look presentable. (i.e adjusting contrast or brightness, cropping off extraneous edges, etc.) My camera often under-exposes or over-exposes images, and occasionally I'll have to try to subtly adjust the "gamma" and stuff like that so it isn't so dark-looking. I'm actually a rank amateur at sprucing up photo quality, and I don't have the right software. News editors and pro photographers do it routinely on every photo, which is one reason they look so good.

Another secret: I usually take 2 or 3 or 27 versions of every photo, to make sure I get a good one!

93 esch  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:56:08pm

re: #79 Odinga

Conservatives can recognize a greater evil and will do what must be done. I have disagreements with McCain but I will support him. Leftists OTOH, are fickle and won't be able to keep momentum going in the face of doubts. Getting them to actually show up and vote is also problematic.

I can't WAIT for the finger-pointing sh*tstorm meltdown the left will have when they lose. I'll be drunk for days.

94 astronmr20  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:56:33pm

What strikes me is Joe is in no way an "Obama team member." He's really just "that guy." Obama could have picked someone just somewhat more relevant.. but it wouldn't work alongside the Messiah. Afterall, there can only be One.

95 HelloDare  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:56:40pm

re: #63 zombie

BINGO!

I was cogitating exactly how to drive this point home somehow, in a big way.

Connect it all under the umbrella of socialism. Ayers, Wright, radicals, Union Card Checks, ACORN, income redistribution, nanny state, teachers unions taking over the schools, the financial crisis and the affirmative action mortgages, rising health care costs... you name it.

Even liberals hate the term socialism.

96 Catttt  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:56:42pm

re: #79 Odinga

Fellow Lizards,

I bring a ray of hope. Obama Plummets Among Independents

"For the first time in the polling McCain is up above 45 percent. There is no question something has happened," Zogby said.

God bless you. I can now go to bed on an up note.

97 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:56:59pm

re: #84 astronmr20

I'm sorry, even knowing the book is a piece of Red Crap and a communist trojan horse for schools,

I disagree with writing any reviews unless you have read some of it.


I know professional book reviewers who haven't even read the books they were reviewing. Go read the little excerpts available on Amazon if that would make you feel better.
;)

98 non-lib Nina  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:57:22pm

re: #93 esch

Conservatives can recognize a greater evil and will do what must be done. I have disagreements with McCain but I will support him. Leftists OTOH, are fickle and won't be able to keep momentum going in the face of doubts. Getting them to actually show up and vote is also problematic.

I can't WAIT for the finger-pointing sh*tstorm meltdown the left will have when they lose. I'll be drunk for days.

Oh Gawd, me too! You have no idea.

99 zombie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:57:37pm

re: #68 HelloDare

Zombie,

You may want to consider putting the title of each story in a color. I have friends who don't know that most of the time titles are permalinks.

And in some blogs, like No Oil for Pacifists and Ace of Spades, the title aren't the permalinks.

If something is in color, people know it's a link.

Hmmmmm. I'll ponder it, but I suspect I won't have the time to figure out how to change the color! It's part of the blog template, which is a mysterious region to me.

100 Intrepid  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:57:38pm

re: #79 Odinga

Fellow Lizards,

I bring a ray of hope. Obama Plummets Among Independents

"For the first time in the polling McCain is up above 45 percent. There is no question something has happened," Zogby said.

What I find heartening (I try not to rely on the polls but DAMMIT! it's hard not to sometimes) is that McCain's support among republicans is up to 9 out of 10. Maybe repubs are waking up and realizing that they just cannot wish their way into a Romney or Thompson presidency. And they're seeing what an Obama presidency would do to the country.

But the loss of 8 points among independents for Obama is significant. Let's hope that is the beginning of a trend, and not just a post-debate bump.

101 zombie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:58:43pm

re: #69 hermeneutics

Oh, Zombie -- I sent a copy of your image as well as a link to your blog to Drudge. We'll see...

That's at least 10 emails to Drudge. Let's cross our fingers!

102 HelloDare  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:59:01pm

re: #79 Odinga

Fellow Lizards,

I bring a ray of hope. Obama Plummets Among Independents

"For the first time in the polling McCain is up above 45 percent. There is no question something has happened," Zogby said.

Did they poll the guy in Texas who was registered 72 times?

103 zombie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:59:14pm

re: #75 Irene NYC

zombie,

Have you seen Ayers' recent speech on education that he gave in Venezuela on this point?

No!

104 SpartanWoman  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:59:18pm

re: #100 Intrepid

But the msm said Obama WON the debate, if they were right it would be Obama who got the fist-bump here.

I think it is the communist bump, the recognition that maybe Obama is truly too risky.

105 stevieray  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:59:23pm

How did it get so late?

Time to kick the cat off of my pillow... where she is sleeping, and shedding exuberantly... and go to bed.

Goodnight!

106 BHJets  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 10:59:51pm

re: #93 esch
I always take the day after election day off. Gonna have a case of Sam Adams on ice this year. Either celebrating or drowning my sorrows.

107 devnulled  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:00:26pm

re: #3 zombie

I think this is coming up on just over four years of appreciation now, since I first laid eyes on your work... (stands up on desk)...

O Captain My Captain.

108 rain of lead  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:00:29pm

re: #99 zombie

Hmmmmm. I'll ponder it, but I suspect I won't have the time to figure out how to change the color! It's part of the blog template, which is a mysterious region to me.

Z, just ask Charles, I'll bet he could give you an answer in about.... two seconds

109 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:00:31pm

zombie,

I should not have said recent re Ayers' speech. It was November 2006. But, it's still very much to the point. I linked it above.

110 mikalm  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:00:33pm

Zombie,

Great catch on the Obama review! I haven't been on LGF much lately -- too busy with other things -- but I check in every now and then, and am impressed by your forays into investigative journalism.

Got a hot tip for you -- will email it within the next five minutes, if you're still online.

111 astronmr20  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:00:35pm

re: #92 zombie

Sorry, that is highly classified information. If my enemies knew what camera I used, they'd know what to look for. Hence, my need to keep it secret.

Though I will say: It isn't a Minolta. (Though, in an odd coincidence, the microfilm machine I used today was a Minolta!)

Another secret: The quality of the original raw photo is only half the story. It's what you do afterwards to it that makes it look presentable. (i.e adjusting contrast or brightness, cropping off extraneous edges, etc.) My camera often under-exposes or over-exposes images, and occasionally I'll have to try to subtly adjust the "gamma" and stuff like that so it isn't so dark-looking. I'm actually a rank amateur at sprucing up photo quality, and I don't have the right software. News editors and pro photographers do it routinely on every photo, which is one reason they look so good.

Another secret: I usually take 2 or 3 or 27 versions of every photo, to make sure I get a good one!

Incredible. Zombie is using micro-film machines to dig up truth-- just like real journalists used to do in the movies!

It's amazing.. when one thinks about the combined salaries of, and resources related to journalists covering this election and these two men.. both in Chicago and nationally.. people that Good 'ole Zombie is doing all of their collective jobs together!

Actually, it's not so amazing. It's what I would expect for such a fine undead gumshoe.

Well, I hope you used a surname when signing in to check out the film!

112 Palandine  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:00:45pm

re: #77 Penguinchic

This might not be anything but I did a search on Ayers and Obama in google books. I found this book. A Kind and Just Parent: The Children of Juvenile Court - Page 82, by William Ayers from that page this quote - Our neighbors include Muhammad Ali, former mayor Eugene Sawyer, poets Gwendolyn Brooks and Elizabeth Alexander, and writer Barack Obama.

I thought there would be more, but he is just describing his neighborhood. But there is several more sentences about Farrakhan as well. Maybe there is more than I think.

My tiny effort (I don't have a blog, so can't spread it myself):

There's been some interest in a woman named Vera Baker who currently lives in Martinique. The PUMAs and others note that she's sometimes referred to as Obama's "campaign manager" when he was running for the Senate. Sometimes another woman is named as his campaign manager.

When you look at Google Books for the name, you get a page for a fundraiser for Obama for Senate where people are asked to RSVP to Ms. Baker for Obama for Illinois.

Funny how no hard-hitting investigative journalist has asked his boss for travel money to Martinique to discuss Ms. Baker's experiences as Obama's campaign manager with her, or what caused her to move to Martinique.

113 HelloDare  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:00:49pm

re: #101 zombie

That's at least 10 emails to Drudge. Let's cross our fingers!

11.

114 George guy  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:01:00pm

I predict a November 5 Kos diary to say something to the effect of this:

"Anyone who looks happy today is fair game."

115 Adina in Judea  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:01:28pm

Zogby for Sunday:

Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby Poll: Obama 47.8%, McCain 45.1%

McCain slowly gains on Obama

UTICA, New York - Republican John McCain continued a slow advance on Democrat Barack Obama in the race for President, moving back within three percentage points as the race begins to head down the stretch run, the latest Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby daily tracking poll shows.

McCain now trails Obama by 2.7 points, down from the 3.9 point deficit he faced 24 hours earlier.

Seven-point-one percent of the likely voters surveyed said they remain undecided.

Obama lost five-tenths of a point from yesterday's report, while McCain gained another six-tenths of a point. It was the third consecutive day in which Obama's numbers slipped and McCain's numbers increased.

Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby Poll: Obama 47.8%, McCain 45.1%

116 Intrepid  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:02:01pm

BTW - that show on Body Language is now on again on the History Channel. Someone mentioned it in an earlier thread, I forgot who it was.

117 zombie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:02:15pm

re: #79 Odinga

Fellow Lizards,

I bring a ray of hope. Obama Plummets Among Independents

"For the first time in the polling McCain is up above 45 percent. There is no question something has happened," Zogby said.

Dig this quote from Zogby:

"If that trend continues, it is something that has got to raise red flags for Obama," Zogby said. "It suggests to me that his outward look of confidence may be as much strategy as it is real."

Could it be that Zogby read my "Left's Big Blunder" essay, in which I make a similar point?

118 non-lib Nina  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:02:37pm

re: #100 Intrepid

What I find heartening (I try not to rely on the polls but DAMMIT! it's hard not to sometimes) is that McCain's support among republicans is up to 9 out of 10. Maybe repubs are waking up and realizing that they just cannot wish their way into a Romney or Thompson presidency. And they're seeing what an Obama presidency would do to the country.

But the loss of 8 points among independents for Obama is significant. Let's hope that is the beginning of a trend, and not just a post-debate bump.

I think also the night after the debate dinner was the best performance we have gotten in a while out of McCain. He looked relaxed and the jokes were awesome. His writers deserve kudos. He kicked BO's ars. If he could talk in that kind of forum all the time he would win hands down. Funny, funny, and it helped. Everyone was talking about how great it was and how boring the debate was, all except for Joe.

119 Catttt  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:03:55pm

re: #101 zombie

That's at least 10 emails to Drudge. Let's cross our fingers!

I think it's a super scoop right up Drudge's alley. Got my fingers crossed.

One thing I really love about Drudge is he drives the liberals nuts. Some of the speculative lib articles I've read about him are really mindbenders - imagine spending time writing a piece on whether or not he loves Chaka Khan and what that might mean - typical example.

The other thing I love about him is he's how I found LGF.

120 Odinga  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:04:10pm

re: #81 non-lib Nina

Hmmm, I wonder what it could be? The plot thickens.

The Chickens are coming home to roost, and they are voting McCain/Palin baby.

By the way, Tina Fey looks like a squirrel when standing next to the real Arctic Fox Sarah.

121 Intrepid  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:05:01pm

re: #104 SpartanWoman

But the msm said Obama WON the debate, if they were right it would be Obama who got the fist-bump here.

I think it is the communist bump, the recognition that maybe Obama is truly too risky.

Yeah, that's true. That being the case, it's showing also that the indies aren't necessarily paying that much attention to the MSM. And that's a very good thing.

In early September we had the "Palin bounce". Then there was the "convention bounce". Maybe now we're seeing the "Joe the Plumber bounce".

122 zombie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:05:32pm

re: #85 Catttt

I have a co-worker who is an Obamaniac. We are both political geeks and have enjoyed a couple of good IM arguments.

I think I undercut her elitist rant a bit. She admits she is an elitist - she went to private schools. She went on and on about how the elite should rule and the hoi polloi are stupid.

I gently said - I went to public schools and state colleges. You know I'm not stupid (she calls me for help on hard tax and cost basis questions) - she does know that. It's just that she WANTS to think the elite are somehow endowed to rule the peons.

She also is aware that her youth is at work here, but she just can't help herself.

The Democrats' main failing is that they have stopped even pretending to be the "party of the working man" or even of the underclass. Everyone knows they're elitists, and that most elitists are Democrats. It used to be the reverse (or least they used to have a good claim on being the party of the lower/middle class). This may be their downfall (crossing fingers).

123 esch  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:05:32pm

re: #98 non-lib Nina

I'm going to save a collection of zerO(&spouse) and all the MSM's grimaces over the following 72 hours. It'll be beautiful.

124 Killian Bundy  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:05:47pm

Well, swell, I pay good money for what are arguably the world's best guitar stands, but does Kitten Bill care? HELL NO, it's just one more object with too much potential energy! And does Kitten Bill topple the worthless Strat clone? HELL NO, he goes right for the big bucks and dumps the Les Paul!

/fortunately, by some [expletive deleted] miracle, the Les Paul is undamaged but Kitten Bill is totally out of control

125 astronmr20  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:06:22pm

re: #118 non-lib Nina

I think also the night after the debate dinner was the best performance we have gotten in a while out of McCain. He looked relaxed and the jokes were awesome. His writers deserve kudos. He kicked BO's ars. If he could talk in that kind of forum all the time he would win hands down. Funny, funny, and it helped. Everyone was talking about how great it was and how boring the debate was, all except for Joe.

It was fantastic. Also, consider, the most disparaging thing about it to Obama (though comedy) is that really, he wasn't even addressing or speaking about Obama the rest of the time. He was speaking "over" Obama's head, referring to the real "big guns;" the giants of the party (the Clintons), and how that affected Obama's campaign. He had Hillary in stiches, which also said a LOT. Truth is comedy!

126 Metal Man  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:06:46pm

re: #85 Catttt

I am pretty much one of the Hoi Polloi but have been given responsibility. Not all that sure I want the responsibility but will not give it up to the supposedly better educated. Peoples jobs and lives depend on me making the right choices and my betters know nothing of the consequences since it's all just theory to them. Things would likely run just fine without me but if it went to shit I just don't have confidence the management would have a clue.

Maybe I'm fooling myself so I have can feel important but I'm guessing this country would grind to a halt without the Hoi Polloi.

127 non-lib Nina  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:08:05pm

re: #123 esch

I'm going to save a collection of zerO(&spouse) and all the MSM's grimaces over the following 72 hours. It'll be beautiful.

We'll be waiting!

128 astronmr20  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:08:11pm
I'm guessing this country would grind to a halt without the Hoi Polloi.

Indeed.

129 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:08:56pm

re: #126 Metal Man

I'm guessing this country would grind to a halt without the Hoi Polloi.


What country?
;)

130 Palandine  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:09:06pm

re: #86 SpartanWoman

I guess it depends on what issue is important to them. For my friend it was terrorism. For another colleague it was Israel and for yet another it was taxes.

Young people are frequently only half aware of why they like a popular figure whether the figure is a pol or a singer or another sort of celeb. Maybe it is a herd mentality, who knows.

I would suggest you discover her favorite issue and go there.

In 1976 I was besotted with the Dem Convention and the "why not the best?" Carter crap. Fortunately, my uncle Frank talked to me about "Mr. Peanut" and his policies. I voted Ford. At the time it was NOT the policy chat that dissuaded me, it was the ridicule in my uncle's voice. Not ridiculing me, but calling Carter "Mr. Peanut". 18 year olds cave when an iconoclast shatters their false gods

The kid is very questioning and honest. I expect she actually has a reason she's voting Obama, unlike many who are hoping for the change of the hope of the change. I'm going to start from there, and go with WHY I'm voting McCain/Palin. No dissing of her choice. No saying anything bad about Obama. Just giving my reasons. I respect her too much to do otherwise.

131 Adina in Judea  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:09:19pm

re: #118 non-lib Nina

I think also the night after the debate dinner was the best performance we have gotten in a while out of McCain.

McCain was wonderful at the dinner!

I dug up Obama's speech and he was not well received. The guy is a cold bastard and he can't hide it even when he's trying to be funny.

As an example, Obama ridiculed McCain for being old in Obama's speech. "Old" jokes are only funny as SELF-deprecating humor (as Ronald Reagan used to do) and not as mean-spirited ridiculing. It was as cold as if someone had ridiculed Obama for being black.

The NY Democrats in the room cheered very warmly when McCain said that he knew that some of them were pulling for him to win. Obama did not impress this crowd.

One other thing is that when McCain said something like "If I pull this off, it will be a long night for MSNBC" - Brian Williams raised his hand in acknowledgement (if anyone wondered if he was there) but he looked embarassed for MSNBC (AS WELL HE SHOULD!)

John McCain is a better person than Obambi will ever be. It showed that night and a lot of Democrats got to see it, too. Judging by their warmer response to McCain than to Obambi, I hope a few things clicked in their heads (at least on some level.)

132 non-lib Nina  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:09:36pm

re: #125 astronmr20

It was fantastic. Also, consider, the most disparaging thing about it to Obama (though comedy) is that really, he wasn't even addressing or speaking about Obama the rest of the time. He was speaking "over" Obama's head, referring to the real "big guns;" the giants of the party (the Clintons), and how that affected Obama's campaign. He had Hillary in stiches, which also said a LOT. Truth is comedy!

If we could get another one of those before the election, damn this thing would be in the bag!

133 zombie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:09:50pm

re: #90 Irene NYC

Ayers' in Venezuela for the World Education Forum, November 2006.

An excerpt from this link if you haven't already seen it:

EXCELLENT!

People are stuck on Ayers being a "terrorist" (which he is). But he's something even worse: He's also a Communist. And not a metaphorical lower-case "c" communist but a dyed-in-the-wool hardcore Revolutionary Communist, who is going the Grasmsci route (infiltrate the schools) after the violence route failed.

134 Palandine  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:09:52pm

re: #124 Killian Bundy

Well, swell, I pay good money for what are arguably the world's best guitar stands, but does Kitten Bill care? HELL NO, it's just one more object with too much potential energy! And does Kitten Bill topple the worthless Strat clone? HELL NO, he goes right for the big bucks and dumps the Les Paul!

/fortunately, by some [expletive deleted] miracle, the Les Paul is undamaged but Kitten Bill is totally out of control

Haven't you had that kitteh's nuts cut off YET?

135 astronmr20  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:10:14pm

Truly, though.. I am fearful of an Obama presidency, but also quite fearful of what might transpire in the hours and days afterwards if McCain wins.

I'm talking about moonbats. Yes, we joke around here about their heads exploding, but you'd better wear a raincoat wednesday morning if that's the case.

136 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:10:43pm

re: #131 Adina in Judea

Yes, Brian Williams definitely looked embarrassed. Agreed.

137 Killian Bundy  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:11:37pm

re: #134 Palandine

Haven't you had that kitteh's nuts cut off YET?

/making the arrangements Monday, enough is enough

138 non-lib Nina  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:11:51pm

re: #131 Adina in Judea

McCain was wonderful at the dinner!

I dug up Obama's speech and he was not well received. The guy is a cold bastard and he can't hide it even when he's trying to be funny.

As an example, Obama ridiculed McCain for being old in Obama's speech. "Old" jokes are only funny as SELF-deprecating humor (as Ronald Reagan used to do) and not as mean-spirited ridiculing. It was as cold as if someone had ridiculed Obama for being black.

The NY Democrats in the room cheered very warmly when McCain said that he knew that some of them were pulling for him to win. Obama did not impress this crowd.

One other thing is that when McCain said something like "If I pull this off, it will be a long night for MSNBC" - Brian Williams raised his hand in acknowledgement (if anyone wondered if he was there) but he looked embarassed for MSNBC (AS WELL HE SHOULD!)

John McCain is a better person than Obambi will ever be. It showed that night and a lot of Democrats got to see it, too. Judging by their warmer response to McCain than to Obambi, I hope a few things clicked in their heads (at least on some level.)

BO looked like he was in pain the whole night, he did not have a teleprompter!

139 solomonpanting  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:12:34pm

re: #122 zombie

The Democrats' main failing is that they have stopped even pretending to be the "party of the working man" or even of the underclass. Everyone knows they're elitists, and that most elitists are Democrats. It used to be the reverse (or least they used to have a good claim on being the party of the lower/middle class). This may be their downfall (crossing fingers).


I, too, despise the Dem mantra of being "for the little guy." But the lefties having taken over the party lends historical weight to their claim. "Workers of the world unite!"

140 zombie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:12:48pm

re: #107 devnulled

I think this is coming up on just over four years of appreciation now, since I first laid eyes on your work... (stands up on desk)...

O Captain My Captain.

I demote myself! I ain't no captain. This ship is a collective!

141 astronmr20  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:12:49pm
It showed that night and a lot of Democrats got to see it, too. Judging by their warmer response to McCain than to Obambi, I hope a few things clicked in their heads (at least on some level.)

Those democrats there that night are the intelligentsia of the party. They may be Democrats, but I can guarantee you they respect the man McCain a hell of a lot more than this Johnny-come-lately Messiah.

They know what's up.

142 Scion9  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:13:25pm

re: #51 stevieray


The vast majority of Americans do not want their children to be propagandized in their schools.

This connection will resonate.

You are right, they do not. The really scary thing?


The education project described in the Web ad, far from being "radical," had the support of the Republican governor and was run by a board that included prominent local leaders, including one Republican who has donated $1,500 to McCain's campaign this year. The project is described by Education Week as reflecting "mainstream thinking" about school reform.

Indoctrinating children with socialist beliefs if definitely very 'mainstream' now.

143 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:13:33pm

re: #133 zombie

It's a very scary piece. Ayers turned to terrorism because education wasn't working fast enough to bring down capitalism.

144 zombie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:14:04pm

re: #110 mikalm

Zombie,

Great catch on the Obama review! I haven't been on LGF much lately -- too busy with other things -- but I check in every now and then, and am impressed by your forays into investigative journalism.

Got a hot tip for you -- will email it within the next five minutes, if you're still online.

I'll look for it.

Too bad I missed the Nude Olympics! From what I could gather, however, it didn't amount to much.

145 solomonpanting  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:14:20pm

re: #139 solomonpanting

"Workers of the world unite!"

Plumbers excluded.

146 esch  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:14:42pm

re: #138 non-lib Nina

I thought he kept looking around with an expression of 'isn't this when they're supposed to laugh?'

I have such contempt for this presumptuous man-child. It's a shame the first real candidate the black community put up is a tool.

147 HelloDare  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:14:47pm

Obama has a lot of threads hanging from his clothes ready for a hard tug. A lot of people have heard about Ayres but don't know that much about him. Same with Rezko, Wright, and Obama's elitism, and now ACORN. All it would take is one good iconic story to hit, something that would highlight what people already suspect and Obama might unravel.

If that office on the third floor were the exact same office that Ayers used -- the very same space. That would be great. We just don't know. They could have had offices on opposite ends of the 3rd floor. We just don't know.

148 rain of lead  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:15:10pm

re: #134 Palandine

Haven't you had that kitteh's nuts cut off YET?

it takes a few months for the testostorone to get out of their system
and to calm down
have a wild kitten/cat who got clipped 6 wks ago

149 Rancher  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:15:14pm

Good night, off to bed. I have to get up and be Joe tomorrow.

150 scratch  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:15:14pm

re: #84 astronmr20

I'm sorry, even knowing the book is a piece of Red Crap and a communist trojan horse for schools,

I disagree with writing any reviews unless you have read some of it.

Second. No offense to the OP, but I was disappointed to hear the suggestion to spam Amazon.

151 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:15:35pm

zombie,
What I meant was you said he turned to education after terrorism. I think it was education before AND after terrorism. Just that when he was just a fine young revolutionary, the education route proved too slow.

152 Adina in Judea  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:15:35pm

re: #138 non-lib Nina

BO looked like he was in pain the whole night, he did not have a teleprompter!

True!

BO is used to being fainted over with tingles going up legs just for showing up.

He was in a room filled with NY Democrats and he couldn't impress them.

BO is a megalomaniac who is running for himself and no one else.

I hope some Democrats are finally figuring this out.

153 Metal Man  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:16:04pm

re: #140 zombie

I demote myself! I ain't no captain. This ship is a collective!

Odd isn't it, that a collective can actually thrive up until the point where a government forces one to join.

154 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:16:29pm

re: #140 zombie

I demote myself! I ain't no captain. This ship is a collective!

Goodness zombie, you are an original.

Collective? We're just the chorus. Get over it.
;)

155 esch  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:16:56pm

re: #147 HelloDare

All it would take is one good iconic story to hit, something that would highlight what people already suspect and Obama might unravel.

I feel dirty saying this, but I would relish watching a total meltdown on his part. The riots afterward, not so much.

156 scratch  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:17:30pm

re: #139 solomonpanting

I, too, despise the Dem mantra of being "for the little guy." But the lefties having taken over the party lends historical weight to their claim. "Workers of the world unite!"

One of my ongoing frustrations (if "infuriations" was a word I'd use that) is hearing people interviewed after a debate or speech, and they say, "I just got the sense that Obama really cares about common Americans. I didn't get that from McCain."

157 zombie  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:17:40pm

re: #111 astronmr20

Incredible. Zombie is using micro-film machines to dig up truth-- just like real journalists used to do in the movies!

It's amazing.. when one thinks about the combined salaries of, and resources related to journalists covering this election and these two men.. both in Chicago and nationally.. people that Good 'ole Zombie is doing all of their collective jobs together!

Actually, it's not so amazing. It's what I would expect for such a fine undead gumshoe.

Well, I hope you used a surname when signing in to check out the film!

Are you kidding? There's no way I would give any librarian my name. I purposely sought out a library where patrons could use the microfilms without needing a card or giving one's name. I saw what the media did to Joe the Plumber! I'm taking extra careful steps. All citizen journalism must be done totally anonymously.

158 pat  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:18:20pm

Maybe it is time for the GOP to show who the Dems are. Big business that want to be oligopolies or monopolies. Hollywood. The super rich that think American law and order has been bad for war. The idealists that think their pitiful philosophies will overcome rapaciousness. The Baldwin, Kennedy, etc. families that will know they will die in comfort while the country experiments with socialism. The racists minorities that wish to punish whites, other races and are imbued with the racial hatred of all others.

159 boogereatinmoron  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:18:21pm

re: #51 stevieray

I have been ranting along these same lines for weeks. The question is not: "why does Obama pal around with Ayers?" but: "why does Ayers pal around with Obama?"

Ayers was a terrorist whose objective was the overthrow of the American government and the establishment of a socialist state in it's place. He abandoned his methods but he has not, to my knowledge renounced his goals, he has simply changed tactics. It seems that he is now committed to change from within by promoting policies and politicians that will lead to the same ultimate objective and Obama is his man.

Oh by the way, Joe the plumber is on Huckabee. Go Joe.

160 non-lib Nina  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:18:32pm

re: #146 esch

"Finally my evil plan is working" (in my best Dr. Evil voice) Poor BO, He was like a little kid on the playground no one wanted to play kickball with.

161 mikalm  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:19:07pm

re: #144 zombie

I'll look for it.

Should be in your In-box now.

Too bad I missed the Nude Olympics! From what I could gather, however, it didn't amount to much.

So I heard as well. At least it was non-sexual, and held at an accepted "clothing-optional" beach, unlike the Folsom and Dore debaucheries. Recreational nudity is one thing -- open, public sex acts are definitely another.

162 Catttt  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:19:52pm

re: #141 astronmr20

Those democrats there that night are the intelligentsia of the party. They may be Democrats, but I can guarantee you they respect the man McCain a hell of a lot more than this Johnny-come-lately Messiah.

They know what's up.

There was this very distinguished-looking older fellow sitting back behind the speaker's stand - he was over each speaker's left shoulder. During Senator McCain's bit, he was smiling, laughing, and relaxed. During Barry's, he barely moved his face at all. He was my barometer.

163 itellu3times  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:20:52pm

Good evening, lizards.

Just checking to vent, why must Obama waste his money in California showing these obnoxious, mendacious ads, when the whole state is in the bag for him already anyway? Just to depress me, I guess.

Come on, Drudge, link to the zombie.

164 non-lib Nina  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:20:54pm

night kids

165 Adina in Judea  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:21:07pm

re: #122 zombie

The Democrats' main failing is that they have stopped even pretending to be the "party of the working man" or even of the underclass. Everyone knows they're elitists, and that most elitists are Democrats. It used to be the reverse (or least they used to have a good claim on being the party of the lower/middle class). This may be their downfall (crossing fingers).

I hope so, too. Their attitude is disgusting.

Obama looked Joe the Plumber right in the eye on camera during the debate and promised that his policies would help Joe. Then Obama RIDICULED Joe the next day at his rallies. Obama ridiculed the idea of trying to help "A PLUMBER!" (as he kept putting it, as if helping a plumber in America is the most ridiculous thing in the world.)

Obama has stabbed hard working people in the back repeatedly in his campaign. He and the Democrats have nothing but contempt for most American voters.

166 solomonpanting  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:21:12pm

re: #156 scratch

One of my ongoing frustrations (if "infuriations" was a word I'd use that) is hearing people interviewed after a debate or speech, and they say, "I just got the sense that Obama really cares about common Americans. I didn't get that from McCain."

Probably the difference between listening with the heart and the mind.

167 Catttt  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:21:14pm

re: #155 esch

I feel dirty saying this, but I would relish watching a total meltdown on his part. The riots afterward, not so much.

That reminds me - I need a pistol. Knife and two cats might not suffice.

168 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:21:58pm

re: #150 scratch

Second. No offense to the OP, but I was disappointed to hear the suggestion to spam Amazon.

That was me who suggested people write reviews stating that Ayers was a terrorist, etc. at Amazon

Yeah, getting news out about a piece of crap like Ayers is really awful. Especially when almost every news organ in the country refuses to say anything about his past. And especially when the fate of our country is literally at stake.

I'm so disappointed in myself for making that suggestion.

//////////////////

169 TnTx13  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:22:11pm

re: #159 boogereatinmoron

Oh by the way, Joe the plumber is on Huckabee. Go Joe.

Joe is great! If all those who are swooning over the Messiah would listen up to how the Messiah is treating this man, then maybe their eyes would open to the truth.

170 TnTx13  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:23:01pm

re: #165 Adina in Judea

I hope so, too. Their attitude is disgusting.

Obama looked Joe the Plumber right in the eye on camera during the debate and promised that his policies would help Joe. Then Obama RIDICULED Joe the next day at his rallies. Obama ridiculed the idea of trying to help "A PLUMBER!" (as he kept putting it, as if helping a plumber in America is the most ridiculous thing in the world.)

Obama has stabbed hard working people in the back repeatedly in his campaign. He and the Democrats have nothing but contempt for most American voters.

Just wait until Obama needs a plumber ;)

171 HelloDare  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:23:19pm

re: #155 esch

I feel dirty saying this, but I would relish watching a total meltdown on his part. The riots afterward, not so much.

A real meltdown, Obama acting badly, would be a good thing. It would show him for the man that many of us suspect he is. He is a narcissist for sure. What type and to what degree is the only question. They do not handle defeat well.

172 scratch  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:23:22pm

re: #157 zombie

...I purposely sought out a library where patrons could use the microfilms without needing a card or giving one's name. ...

Hopefully you also didn't walk in with your arms outstretched in front of you and your clothes hanging in tatters.

173 stuiec  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:23:26pm

re: #112 Palandine

What's REALLY weird is that Vera Baker had a partnership called Baker Wambu with a woman named Muthoni Wambu. They were political consultants on strategy and fundraising, and because they were Black women, most of their work came from members of the Congressional Black Caucus.

Vera Baker's work in fundraising for Obama you know about. But did you know that Muthoni Wambu became the deputy political director of Joe Biden's 2008 Presidential campaign?

And then Joe Biden, Mr. 1 Percent of the Primary Vote, Mr. Barack-Obama-Is-Clean-And-Articulate, gets the nod from Obama as his running mate. Doesn't that smell awfully fishy? Like maybe Biden asked Wambu to ask Baker to persuade Obama to pick Biden? Perhaps someone in Biden's campaign knew that Baker could be extremely persuasive with Barack for some reason.

174 Inquisitive  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:24:19pm

re: #135 astronmr20

Truly, though.. I am fearful of an Obama presidency, but also quite fearful of what might transpire in the hours and days afterwards if McCain wins.
I'm talking about moonbats. Yes, we joke around here about their heads exploding, but you'd better wear a raincoat wednesday morning if that's the case.


A friend and I were talking the other eve and was discussing that very issue.....but I brought up that I am also fearful of what might happen even if "that one" does win......look what fans are capable of doing when their team wins the super bowl or the world series. To me it could be a lose/ lose situation in some big cities.

175 x-wing  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:25:17pm

re: #106 BHJets

I always take the day after election day off. Gonna have a case of Sam Adams on ice this year. Either celebrating or drowning my sorrows.

I'm putting in vacation for Nov. 5 tomorrow. I was kicking it around today, but after everything that is happening ,it's game on.

176 Scion9  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:25:40pm

Sol Stern has done excellent work on discussing Ayers' ideology in regards to education 'reform', if you haven't read his article yet...

Obama's Real Bill Ayers Problem
The Bomber as School Reformer
Ayers Is No Education 'Reformer'

He's been chronicling this style of so-called education reform for a long time now, and has a book out on the subject of the failure of public schools, and is apparently writing another specifically on Bill Ayers and his brand of reform, according to the blurb in the WSJ Op-Ed linked above.

177 stuiec  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:25:58pm

re: #135 astronmr20

Truly, though.. I am fearful of an Obama presidency, but also quite fearful of what might transpire in the hours and days afterwards if McCain wins.

I'm talking about moonbats. Yes, we joke around here about their heads exploding, but you'd better wear a raincoat wednesday morning if that's the case.

Indeed. The day after McCain wins, the streets will be awash in giant puppet heads. That, and bare-breasted post-menopausal women in pink skirts and hats.

178 Metal Man  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:26:03pm

re: #167 Catttt

That reminds me - I need a pistol. Knife and two cats might not suffice.

That is one thing the commies make that may help you The CZ 52 or Makarov in a pistol or the AK in a rifle they are cheap and easy to care for.

179 scratch  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:26:21pm

re: #163 itellu3times

...Come on, Drudge, link to the zombie.

It may be just a coincidence, but twice I have simply emailed juicy tidbits to "drudge at drudgereport dot com," and both times they appeared on his page within a short period of time.

180 Catttt  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:28:03pm

re: #170 TnTx13

Just wait until Obama needs a plumber ;)

Plumbers make good money. The building trades are a great way for a working person to get a great career. One thing I love about Todd Palin is he's a working guy, and one of his pet projects in Alaska is helping people get apprenticeships in the trades.

I cringe when Barry opens his mouth about Joe, because he is so obviously looking down at the "little people." He is so ignorant that he doesn't realize that once you get a master's license, the sky's the limit.

I keep thinking of the movie Moonstruck, where Cher's dad was a VERY WEALTHY plumber.

181 victor_yugo  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:28:09pm

re: #167 Catttt

That reminds me - I need a pistol. Knife and two cats might not suffice.

Unless one cat is a lion and the other is a melanistic cougar.

/here kitty kitty

182 x-wing  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:28:34pm

re: #167 Catttt

That reminds me - I need a pistol. Knife and two cats might not suffice.


Going out Monday to purchase mass quantities of .45, .357, and 12 guage ammo.

/shh,don't tell anyone.

183 scratch  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:28:48pm

re: #168 Irene NYC

That was me who suggested people write reviews stating that Ayers was a terrorist, etc. at Amazon

Yeah, getting news out about a piece of crap like Ayers is really awful. Especially when almost every news organ in the country refuses to say anything about his past. And especially when the fate of our country is literally at stake.

I'm so disappointed in myself for making that suggestion.

//////////////////

Hi Irene. As I said, no offense intended, but "getting the news out" is not the issue. Spamming a website intended for book reviews is the issue.

184 Adina in Judea  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:28:51pm

re: #174 Inquisitive

.look what fans are capable of doing when their team wins the super bowl or the world series. To me it could be a lose/ lose situation in some big cities.

One thing we know for sure is that the Left is even worse at winning than they are at losing (because they do indeed see elections in terms of games where their pride is at stake.)

When they win, they're even bigger jerks than when they lose.

If people are looking to do some rioting in all this, it will be worse if Obama wins (G-d forbid.) One way or another, Obama's message in all this is division, wealth distribution, and property damage.

185 Catttt  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:29:05pm

re: #179 scratch

It may be just a coincidence, but twice I have simply emailed juicy tidbits to "drudge at drudgereport dot com," and both times they appeared on his page within a short period of time.

Wow. Neato. I've e-mailed several times with no dice, but I have a good feeling about this time.

186 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:30:57pm

re: #159 boogereatinmoron

Ayers realized that bombs were counter productive. Subverting the education system is more effective, even though it is a long term project.

187 The Archivist  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:31:11pm

HelloDare [#147]:

"If that office on the third floor were the exact same office that Ayers used -- the very same space. That would be great. We just don't know. They could have had offices on opposite ends of the 3rd floor. We just don't know."

Could someone living in that area go by the building on Monday and report back? Some office buildings are small and have but one or two offices per floor.

188 HelloDare  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:31:11pm
189 scratch  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:32:25pm

re: #185 Catttt

Wow. Neato. I've e-mailed several times with no dice, but I have a good feeling about this time.

Most likely he either discovered it himself, or received several hundred emails in addition to mine.

190 gmsc  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:33:14pm

re: #61 Killian Bundy

Secretary of State John Kerry.

/there's something to look forward to

The U.S. has already said it didn't want Kerry as president, so having him 4th in line to the presidency is very unsettling.

191 Catttt  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:33:16pm

re: #181 victor_yugo

Unless one cat is a lion and the other is a melanistic cougar.

/here kitty kitty

Siamese who is normally sweet but really REALLY scary when he goes ballistic. People take one look at him and ask "is he mean?" - so I guess he has that scary Siamese monster look, but he's actually a pussycat, if you give him what he wants and don't threaten me - or the other cat. The other cat is a huge domestic shorthair who is a bit of a coward, but if a dog comes near the patio, she goes into high gear and chases it away. She gave a German Shepard a bit of a fright one time.

192 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:34:27pm

re: #183 scratch

Hi Irene. As I said, no offense intended, but "getting the news out" is not the issue. Spamming a website intended for book reviews is the issue.

Why is it spamming? In a regularly published book review, whether or not the author was a terrorist or any part of his background or ideology are entirely fair game - especially if they should inform the subject of the book.

You honestly don't know what you're talking about, sorry.

I also take exception to your cry for only using the Marquess of Queensbury rules when dealing with ideologies that want to destroy the United States. Do you have ANY idea what lengths these people will go to to achieve their ends?

193 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:34:28pm

re: #163 itellu3times

Good evening, lizards.

Just checking to vent, why must Obama waste his money in California showing these obnoxious, mendacious ads, when the whole state is in the bag for him already anyway? Just to depress me, I guess.

Come on, Drudge, link to the zombie.

Maybe his internal polling is telling him otherwise?

194 victor_yugo  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:35:07pm

re: #191 Catttt

Sounds like my kind of cats. You know, two eyes, two ears, mouth full of teeth, tail that twitches when the cat is annoyed...

195 Inquisitive  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:36:30pm

re: #184 Adina in Judea

One thing we know for sure is that the Left is even worse at winning than they are at losing (because they do indeed see elections in terms of games where their pride is at stake.)

When they win, they're even bigger jerks than when they lose.

If people are looking to do some rioting in all this, it will be worse if Obama wins (G-d forbid.) One way or another, Obama's message in all this is division, wealth distribution, and property damage.


And if he should win.....it will all happen....and unfortunately all us McCain voters will be caught in all the fall out or should I use "that ones" word and say.....punished

196 gmsc  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:37:05pm

re: #163 itellu3times

Good evening, lizards.

Just checking to vent, why must Obama waste his money in California showing these obnoxious, mendacious ads, when the whole state is in the bag for him already anyway? Just to depress me, I guess.

Personally, I support the idea of 0bama needlessly wasting as much of his own campaign's money as possible.

197 esch  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:37:20pm

Hmmm. Sorry if this is a dupe:

Mr Obama is transferring resources to conservative strongholds like Georgia, West Virginia and even Kentucky in pursuit of a landslide victory.

I sense a bitchslap of epic proportions coming. Going after Red states?

198 Gus 802  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:37:21pm

Greta Van Susteren's special is already up on Youtube.

“Barack Obama: The Ties That Bind”

Haven't seen it yet. 4 parts.

/Must watch.

199 Palandine  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:38:04pm

re: #173 stuiec

What's REALLY weird is that Vera Baker had a partnership called Baker Wambu with a woman named Muthoni Wambu. They were political consultants on strategy and fundraising, and because they were Black women, most of their work came from members of the Congressional Black Caucus.

Vera Baker's work in fundraising for Obama you know about. But did you know that Muthoni Wambu became the deputy political director of Joe Biden's 2008 Presidential campaign?

And then Joe Biden, Mr. 1 Percent of the Primary Vote, Mr. Barack-Obama-Is-Clean-And-Articulate, gets the nod from Obama as his running mate. Doesn't that smell awfully fishy? Like maybe Biden asked Wambu to ask Baker to persuade Obama to pick Biden? Perhaps someone in Biden's campaign knew that Baker could be extremely persuasive with Barack for some reason.

I'd just like to see the media investigate--not because of any potential hanky-panky (I don't care who sleeps with who), but because she is sometimes attributed as being part of the Senate campaign and sometimes not. That, plus the fact that anything factual dealing with her is just GONE from Google (even if you look at the cache, nothing's there) and the internet archive. I didn't know you could "disappear" a person like that from teh interwebz with such success. Why?

200 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:38:52pm

re: #183 scratch

Hi Irene. As I said, no offense intended, but "getting the news out" is not the issue. Spamming a website intended for book reviews is the issue.

And what makes you think all the positive reviews for the book on Amazon, giving it a 5-star rating, are not also spam posted by Communists and/or Obots?

201 notutopia  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:39:34pm

re: #3 zombie

Now aren't you glad that Al Gore invented the internet!

202 stuiec  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:40:09pm

re: #186 FamHistoryGuy

Ayers realized that bombs were counter productive. Subverting the education system is more effective, even though it is a long term project.

Bombs are especially counterproductive if they blow up your own cadres during the manufacturing process.

203 solomonpanting  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:40:18pm

I'd sure like to know what people like this expect:

"We feel we're on the brink of a whole new life in this country," said Betsy Whitman, 69.

204 victor_yugo  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:41:49pm

re: #203 solomonpanting

I'd sure like to know what people like this expect:

"We feel we're on the brink of a whole new life in this country," said Betsy Whitman, 69.

If it's taken her 69 years to be "on the brink" of anything, she's been living in a cave.

205 JeremiahRight  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:42:01pm

re: #187 The Archivist

HelloDare [#147]:

"If that office on the third floor were the exact same office that Ayers used -- the very same space. That would be great. We just don't know. They could have had offices on opposite ends of the 3rd floor. We just don't know."

Could someone living in that area go by the building on Monday and report back? Some office buildings are small and have but one or two offices per floor.

the building looks like it's only 4 floors high, and not very big, using Google Maps street view feature
check it out

206 Scion9  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:42:35pm

re: #200 Alberta Oil Peon

And what makes you think all the positive reviews for the book on Amazon, giving it a 5-star rating, are not also spam posted by Communists and/or Obots?

And what makes you think that your desire to counter-spam wasn't intilled into you from early childhood by our oppressive Capitalist education system you beorgousie-loving racist pig?

/Ayers

207 Killian Bundy  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:43:03pm

re: #197 esch

Going after Red states?

Why not?

/he's currently coasting in all the battleground states

208 notutopia  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:43:22pm

re: #157 zombie

Okay Zombie,
Sent also to Frank at Fox and Kurtz at the Corner, National Review.
G' Night all!

209 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:44:26pm

Yuri Bezmenov interview, 1985

Bezmenov is a former KGB agent, who defected to the West in 1970. Here he describes the 4 classic phases of Soviet subversion of a country. Interesting to see how much of it has come to pass in the U.S.A.

210 Metal Man  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:45:07pm

re: #186 FamHistoryGuy

Ayers realized that bombs were counter productive. Subverting the education system is more effective, even though it is a long term project.

Ayers was sent this see 17,21 and 30to start with.

211 scratch  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:45:34pm

re: #192 Irene NYC

Why is it spamming? In a regularly published book review, whether or not the author was a terrorist or any part of his background or ideology are entirely fair game - especially if they should inform the subject of the book.

You honestly don't know what you're talking about, sorry.

I also take exception to your cry for only using the Marquess of Queensbury rules when dealing with ideologies that want to destroy the United States. Do you have ANY idea what lengths these people will go to to achieve their ends?

If a bunch of people head to a book review site with the intent of leaving a large volume of comments without having read the book, especially if the comments are about the author rather than the book, then I consider that spamming. It also strikes me as no more effective--or acceptable--than spray painting Obama yard signs with helpful information for voters.

On another note, I was in NYC for Echo and the Bunnymen a few weeks ago. Great show, great city. On may way to catch an early train home the next morning, I stood in the middle of a deserted 7th Avenue and snapped a photo of Times Square. I wish I could post it here.

212 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:46:41pm

re: #206 Scion9

And what makes you think that your desire to counter-spam wasn't intilled into you from early childhood by our oppressive Capitalist education system you beorgousie-loving racist pig?

/Ayers

Heh! You have perfect intonation!

213 Adina in Judea  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:47:35pm

re: #197 esch

Mr Obama is transferring resources to conservative strongholds like Georgia, West Virginia and even Kentucky in pursuit of a landslide victory.

I sense a bitchslap of epic proportions coming. Going after Red states?

Obama has always planned to go after the Red States.

He's late in doing it, that's all.

Meanwhile, Obama is slipping in the Zogby poll and McCain is gaining (with Obama only two points ahead now.)

Gallup's traditional likely voter poll shows Obama only two points ahead.

The polling seems to be too heavily weighted for Democrats in the first place.

I wouldn't panic on the basis of what Obama is doing. Part of his strategy is to make himself seem "inevitable" (as Hillary once was.)

As John McCain has said - NOTHING is inevitable. This is America.

214 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:48:44pm

re: #202 stuiec

Never do an ohms check on the wires with the detonators hooked up. Bad joo-joo.

215 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:51:10pm

re: #211 scratch

Scratch,
I'm very happy that you had a memorable time in NYC. People who visit and enjoy their stay are our great ambassadors.

Now, back to what you call "spamming." As it happens, someone in my family is a book reviewer. Through this person I've spent many evenings with other professional book reviewers. I cannot tell you how many times they have admitted to not reading the book - only bits and pieces. Really!

Now, anybody who knows Amazon knows that any review is first reviewedvetted itself. So, it's not like someone could write, "Ayers is a filthy terrorist piece of sh*t," and see it published on Amazon. That does not mean, however, that you couldn't easily cadge a line or two from the book, a few quotes from a speech or two and put together a short para exposing Ayers for what he is. Why you consider this spamming is beyond me.

216 stuiec  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:51:15pm

re: #199 Palandine

I'd just like to see the media investigate--not because of any potential hanky-panky (I don't care who sleeps with who), but because she is sometimes attributed as being part of the Senate campaign and sometimes not. That, plus the fact that anything factual dealing with her is just GONE from Google (even if you look at the cache, nothing's there) and the internet archive. I didn't know you could "disappear" a person like that from teh interwebz with such success. Why?

Yes, why? If she's a legitimate businesswoman, why is her Cape Caribbean business now erased from the Web?

And I really do want to know whether it's totally coincidental that Obama picked Biden, possibly the worst of the Democrat alternatives, when Biden's deputy political director was the former partner of Obama's erstwhile D.C. fundraiser.

217 Inquisitive  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:51:51pm

re: #203 solomonpanting

I'd sure like to know what people like this expect:

"We feel we're on the brink of a whole new life in this country," said Betsy Whitman, 69.


I want a whole new life, I want change in my life and I want more hope in my life...but not the kind of life, change or hope that Obama would bring....I already have to live with what he can do...living here in IL.....that is why I will be voting for McCain on Nov. 4 ......I would rather be stuck "that one" as my Senator than as POTUS!

218 gmsc  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:52:29pm

re: #198 Gus 802

Greta Van Susteren's special is already up on Youtube.

“Barack Obama: The Ties That Bind”

Haven't seen it yet. 4 parts.

/Must watch.

Thanks for the heads up - I've downloaded it.

219 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:52:48pm

You know what makes me mad?

What makes me mad is the cruelly brutal treatment that the totall off the deep end SNL crowd gave Sara Palin. Apparently, decency is not in their language. Like the incredibly edited MSM interview that was solely designed to make her look like an idot, this was a whole new level of partisan smear.

Look I understand that some people want to villify Sara Palin because she' not shamed to be a hunter, or scorn her because she took a Down Syndrome baby to term, or because your most digustingly offensive attacks against her did not stick. I really did not expect any less.

Now go ahead and say the same about the savage misogynist attacks that McCain has leveled on the left...

You aren't just despicable in your affiliations, you are abominable because you treat human life like a throwayay toy.

We are not that stupid.

220 Killian Bundy  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:53:25pm

You know, No Country for Old Men is one [expletive deleted] up movie.

/but the Josh Brolin character ends up dead so it's cool

221 astronmr20  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:54:19pm

Something is telling me that the morning after McCain wins, there had better not be any McCain/Palin stickers on my vehicles.

/sorry if this sounds wimpy, but I'd rather not have any insurance claims on my clu report.

222 stuiec  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:54:29pm

re: #213 Adina in Judea

Obama spent a lot of time and effort on a 50-state strategy from the get-go, and it was only a few weeks ago that he gave up on that to redeploy to the battleground states.

223 HelloDare  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:54:38pm

re: #210 Metal Man

Ayers was sent this see 17,21 and 30to start with.

Thanks for that. I was hoping for a much smaller building. Strange that their addresses didn't have a suite number.

224 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:55:14pm

re: #219 really grumpy big dog Johnson

graumpy,

Don't be mad. Sarah was a pearl before swine. And brother, did it show.
;)

225 scratch  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:55:14pm

re: #215 Irene NYC

...Why you consider this spamming is beyond me.

I guess it's volume rather than content, for me. A concerted effort to generate many posts. Anyway...

226 stuiec  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:55:16pm

re: #214 FamHistoryGuy

Never do an ohms check on the wires with the detonators hooked up. Bad joo-joo.

Thanks, that goes up on my wall next to, "Always cut the BLUE wire!"

227 Adina in Judea  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:55:18pm

re: #220 Killian Bundy

"No Country for Old Men" is an "I Despise America" movie (which is why it got Best Picture at the Academy Awards.)

I'm sorry to have seen this movie.

228 solomonpanting  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:55:28pm

re: #217 Inquisitive

I would rather be stuck "that one" as my Senator than as POTUS!

We'll do our best for that scenario.

229 HelloDare  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:56:20pm

re: #227 Adina in Judea

"No Country for Old Men" is an "I Despise America" movie (which is why it got Best Picture at the Academy Awards.)

I'm sorry to have seen this movie.

I also regret seeing it.

230 astronmr20  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:56:23pm

re: #199 Palandine

I'd just like to see the media investigate--not because of any potential hanky-panky (I don't care who sleeps with who), but because she is sometimes attributed as being part of the Senate campaign and sometimes not. That, plus the fact that anything factual dealing with her is just GONE from Google (even if you look at the cache, nothing's there) and the internet archive. I didn't know you could "disappear" a person like that from teh interwebz with such success. Why?

Good point. I'm as close as one can get to a nobody, and I still pop up on Google.

231 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:56:27pm

re: #221 astronmr20

Something is telling me that the morning after McCain wins, there had better not be any McCain/Palin stickers on my vehicles.

/sorry if this sounds wimpy, but I'd rather not have any insurance claims on my clu report.

I plan on staying indoors November 5th and 6th. And don't you dare call me a whimp!
;)

232 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:57:45pm

re: #225 scratch

I guess it's volume rather than content, for me. A concerted effort to generate many posts. Anyway...

I've seen books on amazon with 4, 5, 6 pages of reviews. It's what makes amazon amazon. And I'm pretty sure that a lot of those reviews were written by people who hadn't actually read the book.
;)

233 astronmr20  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:57:46pm

re: #227 Adina in Judea

"No Country for Old Men" is an "I Despise America" movie (which is why it got Best Picture at the Academy Awards.)

I'm sorry to have seen this movie.

Why do you think it was anti-american?

The villains were all Mexican.

234 Metal Man  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:58:06pm

re: #226 stuiec

Thanks, that goes up on my wall next to, "Always cut the BLUE wire!"

EOD techs need to know that stuff. My tool of choice is run.

235 Adina in Judea  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:58:20pm

re: #224 Irene NYC

Sarah was a pearl before swine. And brother, did it show.

Did it ever!

The current SNL players truly are not worthy.

236 stuiec  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:58:50pm

re: #221 astronmr20

Something is telling me that the morning after McCain wins, there had better not be any McCain/Palin stickers on my vehicles.

/sorry if this sounds wimpy, but I'd rather not have any insurance claims on my clu report.

Even more so if McCain loses: the thugs will feel they have the authority of the new regime behind them.

237 Irene NYC  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:58:58pm

re: #225 scratch

I guess it's volume rather than content, for me. A concerted effort to generate many posts. Anyway...

One other question scratch.

You've been on LGF almost as long as I have, but you rarely post. What is it about this topic that has gotten you so worked up (if you don't mind my asking)?

238 astronmr20  Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:59:27pm

re: #236 stuiec

Even more so if McCain loses: the thugs will feel they have the authority of the new regime behind them.

You make an excellent point....

239 MrSnuggles  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:00:17am

Noob question here, is there any way to see how many updings one has? or how many posts?

240 Inquisitive  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:00:39am

re: #236 stuiec

Even more so if McCain loses: the thugs will feel they have the authority of the new regime behind them.


It is going to be a lose/lose situation come Nov. 5th

241 astronmr20  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:01:25am

re: #240 Inquisitive

It is going to be a lose/lose situation come Nov. 5th

It's gonna look like France any way we slice it, for a few days.

242 Irene NYC  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:02:01am

re: #239 MrSnuggles

Noob question here, is there any way to see how many updings one has? or how many posts?

MrS,
Click your avatar or football. Not only will you see how many posts you've posted, and when you joined, but you'll see your lizard registration number (only you can see that when you click). Updings? I'm unaware of any counter.

243 notutopia  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:02:05am

re: #3 zombie

Sent to Wall Street Journal

244 Gus 802  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:02:12am

re: #239 MrSnuggles

Click on the persons (or your own) icon.

245 Macker  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:03:19am

re: #170 TnTx13

Just wait until Obama needs a plumber ;)

He'll just call up Mr. Dinner Jacket and supply his own Vaseline®.

246 astronmr20  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:04:02am

Anyone want to take a crack at guessing what 0 is going to say in his 30-minutes of airtime he has purchased?

247 gmsc  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:04:32am

re: #234 Metal Man

EOD techs need to know that stuff. My tool of choice is run.

This reminds me of the episode of CSI (the Las Vegas one, that is) where a guy is arrested for building numerous pipe bombs and illegally storing liquid explosives. To eliminate the liquid explosives, they have to destroy them in place, blowing up the guy's house.

As he's being taken to jail, he threatens to sue the city, and claims he's going to own the police station when he's done suing the city. He even says, "As a matter of fact, I'll just live right here! Whaddaya think of that?"

One of the two arresting officers looks at him sternly and says, "We'll get you a room."

248 Odinga  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:04:37am

While everyone is obsessing over Joe the Plumbers back taxes Obama seems to be embroiled in an ethics violation over taxes.
Just to remind you, Illinois prohibits state legislators from taking speaking fees, and Barack reported "speaking fees.":

249 Irene NYC  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:04:45am

re: #246 astronmr20

Anyone want to take a crack at guessing what 0 is going to say in his 30-minutes of airtime he has purchased?

It's not what he'll say, it'll be how he says it. He's out to hypnotize the world.
;)

250 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:04:58am

re: #233 astronmr20

Why do you think it was anti-american?

The villains were all Mexican.

The title explains it.

The point of the movie is that Hollywood views America as being crap compared to the America that old American men remembered in the 1970s. They picked the 1970s as a time when America became crap, in their view.

The Left (especially in Hollywood) is still stuck in their Vietnam era angst.

They can't express themselves properly without wanting to puke when they think of America. It comes out in films like "No Country for Old Men."

251 zombie  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:05:14am

Now on Pat Dollard and also currently the top news link on Hot Air.

252 Metal Man  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:05:46am

re: #240 Inquisitive

It is going to be a lose/lose situation come Nov. 5th

I'll have to trade cars with the kid for a month or 2 and transfer my McCain sticker to it. Just to test that theory:) How bad can they f up a $1000 car.

253 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:06:02am

re: #233 astronmr20

The villains were all Mexican.

Except for the best supporting actor psychopath, pretty much the only one who barely lives.

/the compressed air punch and the silenced shotgun are a nice touch

254 stuiec  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:06:14am

re: #234 Metal Man

EOD techs need to know that stuff. My tool of choice is run.

I need to know that stuff for my screenwriting hobby. Fortunately, I don't need to know the factually accurate versions of that stuff, just the cinematically interesting versions. For example, speaking of running, it works even better in celluloid reality, where it's completely possible to outrun both the shock wave of the blast and the projectile bits of debris.

255 Irene NYC  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:07:05am

re: #251 zombie

Terrific!

BTW, everyone, Sarah pix is on the front page of the NYT. They've got a little article above the fold about her SNL appearance.

256 FamHistoryGuy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:07:36am

re: #234 Metal Man

I once considered training for EOD. Decided that my memory and nerves were not up to it. I stuck to uploading and downloading bombs on airplanes.

461X0=Munitions handler (bomb dump)
462X0=Bomb loader
463X0=Missile tech
464X0=EOD

Never turn an anti-withdrawal fuse to the left.

257 Metal Man  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:08:01am

re: #247 gmsc

Yeah that stuff will get you a room at the state hotel:)

258 Inquisitive  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:08:24am

re: #246 astronmr20

Anyone want to take a crack at guessing what 0 is going to say in his 30-minutes of airtime he has purchased?

"I am the one whom we have been waiting for" over and over for 30 min....hypnotizing everyone.....

259 pat  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:08:44am

re: #251 zombie

Now on Pat Dollard and also currently the top news link on Hot Air.

Congrats. Cool.

260 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:09:36am

re: #246 astronmr20

Anyone want to take a crack at guessing what 0 is going to say in his 30-minutes of airtime he has purchased?

If he doesn't offer free steak knives, his infomercial is going to be pretty boring.

261 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:09:51am

re: #124 Killian Bundy

Those are spindly little bastids.
Try these.

262 Inquisitive  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:10:20am

re: #252 Metal Man

I'll have to trade cars with the kid for a month or 2 and transfer my McCain sticker to it. Just to test that theory:) How bad can they f up a $1000 car.

Not the car I would be worried about.......

263 BakaRanger  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:11:22am

re: #92 zombie

I understand completely about being secretive. Good advice about taking a lot of images and improve them with available software. I see your photos and always think what camera is he using, they always look so great. Then I look at my camera a think what a piece of s&*t.

264 FamHistoryGuy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:12:13am

re: #241 astronmr20

With a higher body count for the bad guys though.

265 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:12:38am

re: #221 astronmr20

Something is telling me that the morning after McCain wins, there had better not be any McCain/Palin stickers on my vehicles.

/sorry if this sounds wimpy, but I'd rather not have any insurance claims on my clu report.

I don't care much about my car, it's old and worthless, but the roommate just started leasing a new Mazda3 (it replaced her eighteen-year-old Japanese sedan which was falling apart - it was NOT a frivolous expense) and we don't want to have to be repairing it if the locals decide to take out their racial pain on Whitey's Stuff.

I live across a major thoroughfare from an area that's a bit... less than good. Heavy on minorities, and higher in crime stats. For that matter, my complex is no white country club either, though it's fairly middle class - most of the black folks in my immediate neighborhood are doing much better than I am. But after one poster's comment here the other night that he overheard two otherwise apparently sensible women at his place of work making plans to "either celebrate or riot, whatever's necessary" on Nov. 5th, I plan on being ready for an emergency. I went ahead and ordered myself a holster for my 9mm, and I talked with the roommate about the possibility of having to bug out for a day or two, depending on what happens.

I don't know what to expect, really. Possibilities range from "absolutely nothing" to pretty much any kind of anti-social behavior: harassment, assault, vandalism, looting, maybe worse. Worst-case scenario would be the sort of trouble that has me putting a "You loot, we shoot" sign out on my porch; I would hold down the fort while the roommate takes the cats and stays with her parents.

This whole Obama thing is shaping up to be just plain f-cking BAD for this country, any way you slice it. If he wins, the lefties run rampant and we might not ever have enough money to pay our way out of the hole he could put us in... If he loses, we might see violence, and racial hatreds real and imaginary re-kindled all over again. Mr. "Post Racial" could end up setting race relations back thirty years. I just don't know if there's enough sanity left in the country to deal with this situation maturely.

Politics seems to bring out the worst in people, and that "worst" has been getting worse for a long time now, IMO. I can remember when elections didn't have me concerned about the possibility of being attacked in the street.

266 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:12:45am

re: #256 FamHistoryGuy

I once considered training for EOD. Decided that my memory and nerves were not up to it. I stuck to uploading and downloading bombs on airplanes.

461X0=Munitions handler (bomb dump)
462X0=Bomb loader
463X0=Missile tech
464X0=EOD

Never turn an anti-withdrawal fuse to the left.

/definition of a son of a bitch

267 odinga  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:14:28am

MUST SEE THIS:

Add this to the Zombie Photo of Obamas Book Review.

Ayers MENTIONS that he lives near the WRITER OBAMA in the TEXT of AYERS BOOK, "A Kind And Just Parent" (Pages 81-82) as well as the fact THAT FARAKAN LIVES A BLOCK AWAY.

This AYERS link just gets better all the time

268 Neo Con since 9-11  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:15:25am

A link to the google version of the Ayers book in question [Link: books.google.com...]
And yes Ayers does mention Obama on page 82

269 Macker  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:17:23am

re: #255 Irene NYC

Terrific!

BTW, everyone, Sarah pix is on the front page of the NYT. They've got a little article above the fold about her SNL appearance.

I take it Maureen Dowd still hasn't gotten lucky lately....

270 gmsc  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:17:39am

Just for fun, cheer, and schandefreude: NY Times stock price from 2004-2008

271 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:17:54am

re: #265 Pawn of the Oppressor

This whole Obama thing is shaping up to be just plain f-cking BAD for this country, any way you slice it.

Obama is a person who is set on damaging the country and the world.

Whatever happens on November 4th, the next day is going to be rough.

272 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:18:06am

re: #261 rawmuse

Those are spindly little bastids.
Try these.

/they look to be about the same thing, not designed to resist cat climbing

273 Metal Man  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:18:51am

re: #262 Inquisitive

Not the car I would be worried about.......

I may be a moron but if they push things to the level of attacking me I might as well know my fate sooner than later.

274 scratch  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:19:27am
One other question scratch.

You've been on LGF almost as long as I have, but you rarely post. What is it about this topic that has gotten you so worked up (if you don't mind my asking)?

Maybe you clicked the wrong user? I've been READING since 2004, but only registered a few weeks ago. Funny thing...no announcement or anything...just checked the site and saw that registration was open.

Whoa...holy smokes, that's weird. I just clicked my football and saw the date. I just registered a few weeks ago! Must have been some sort of wrinkle in the continuum.

Anyway, to answer your question in more detail, I remember seeing the online polls all out of wack back in 2004, and it didn't take long to figure out that the lefty sites were stuffing the polls en masse. I didn't much care for the tactic. But I assure you I am all for getting the word out on Ayers, if indeed that can be done. In fact, I would love to give McCain this advice: "When you attack Obama, you need to pull the thread about 6 inches more than you have been. Bring up Ayers, then tell people that he set bombs right here in the U.S.. Say that Obama wants to "spread the wealth", then tell people that he has promised tax cuts to more people than actually pay taxes. Etc. etc.

I am hopeful but not optimistic at this point.

275 pat  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:19:36am

Obama will destroy what is necessary to achieve justice. That means America.

276 stuiec  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:20:17am

re: #265 Pawn of the Oppressor

One good thing that would come out of that blast of insanity, if it materializes, would be that the complacent ordinary folks would get a serious wake-up call about the dangers of radicalism and revolutionary violence that people on the Right have been warning about for years. The apologists for the rioters will try to draw parallels to the riots in the wake of Martin Luther King's assassination, but the vast majority of folks will understand that grief and outrage at an assassination are one thing and disappointment at the outcome of an election is another. Americans detest sore losers, and nothing says sore loser than nationwide rioting in the streets.

277 tradewind  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:20:27am

Damn
straight
skippy.....

' ...you have not attempted to locate Barack Obama's drug dealer from his earlier days, nor interviewed his relatives living in poverty in Africa as to why he hasn't rescued them...'

[Link: gretawire.foxnews.com...]

278 HelloDare  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:21:43am

Was over at Hot Air reading the comments about Zombie's story. Thought this comment was brilliant.


I think a 15-year-old should ask Barry this question:

“Senator Government, I was 8 years old at the time osama bin laden and his pals killed thousands of Americans in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania. How long should I wait before I can review his videos or hold a fundraiser in his cave?”

Ronnie on October 19, 2008 at 12:40 AM

279 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:22:31am

re: #272 Killian Bundy

Cats love to climb on precious musical instruments. I have one that killed a favorite bass of mine, a 3/4 size German one, worth about $4000. Turned it in to kindling.

The cat still lives, to this day. I blamed myself for that one.

280 gmsc  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:22:47am

re: #275 pat

Obama will destroy what is necessary to achieve justice. That means America.

...and he'll destroy justice along the way.

281 gmsc  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:25:04am

re: #278 HelloDare

Was over at Hot Air reading the comments about Zombie's story. Thought this comment was brilliant.

I think a 15-year-old should ask Barry this question:
“Senator Government, I was 8 years old at the time osama bin laden and his pals killed thousands of Americans in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania. How long should I wait before I can review his videos or hold a fundraiser in his cave?”

Ronnie on October 19, 2008 at 12:40 AM

0bama's reply: "Well, as long as you assume he's been rehabilitated, anytime is good."

282 Metal Man  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:25:05am

re: #266 Killian Bundy

/definition of a son of a bitch

That's kinda like joke one of the guys in my lab used to pull. It was safe enough in our case since it was an enclosed saw. But he would take a aluminum cake tin and drop it behind you as you were cutting something. Never got used to it since you focus on whats in the saw.

283 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:26:41am

re: #279 rawmuse

Cats love to climb on precious musical instruments. I have one that killed a favorite bass of mine, a 3/4 size German one, worth about $4000. Turned it in to kindling.

The cat still lives, to this day. I blamed myself for that one.

The 1972 (July) Rickenbacker 4000 stereo bass (serial #LG681)
blonde "checkerboard" is still too big a mountain for Kitten Bill to climb.

/maybe I'll just have to dig out the cases if he goes after them again

284 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:27:24am

re: #280 gmsc

re: #275 pat

Obama will destroy what is necessary to achieve justice. That means America.

...and he'll destroy justice along the way.

Lord Barry wants to reinvent America to be a place where justice doesn't matter. He wants everything (especially the Supreme Court) to be slanted for those people considered less privileged.

If this is how America had always been, it wouldn't have been the land of opportunity for the many millions of immigrants who have come to America to look for better lives and futures for their children.

Barry wants to make America become the place that Europeans were trying to leave when they immigrated to America.

Barry intends to leave no stone unturned to undo America.

285 Inquisitive  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:27:24am

re: #274 scratch

Maybe you clicked the wrong user? I've been READING since 2004, but only registered a few weeks ago. Funny thing...no announcement or anything...just checked the site and saw that registration was open.

Whoa...holy smokes, that's weird. I just clicked my football and saw the date. I just registered a few weeks ago! Must have been some sort of wrinkle in the continuum.

Anyway, to answer your question in more detail, I remember seeing the online polls all out of wack back in 2004, and it didn't take long to figure out that the lefty sites were stuffing the polls en masse. I didn't much care for the tactic. But I assure you I am all for getting the word out on Ayers, if indeed that can be done. In fact, I would love to give McCain this advice: "When you attack Obama, you need to pull the thread about 6 inches more than you have been. Bring up Ayers, then tell people that he set bombs right here in the U.S.. Say that Obama wants to "spread the wealth", then tell people that he has promised tax cuts to more people than actually pay taxes. Etc. etc.

I am hopeful but not optimistic at this point.


Maybe you just forgot.....
/did you happen to registered a sockpuppet a few weeks ago

286 DisturbedEma  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:27:57am

re: #220 Killian Bundy

You know, No Country for Old Men is one [expletive deleted] up movie.

/but the Josh Brolin character ends up dead so it's cool

I love a happy ending. . .he was such a smug fuck on SNL tonight. . .

287 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:29:30am

re: #283 Killian Bundy

My Bass Killer cat is one of those black and white ones with a Hitler moustache.
That he lives is a testament to my largesse.

288 Gus 802  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:30:18am

re: #287 rawmuse

Aren't those called Tuxedo Cats?

289 gmsc  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:30:39am

re: #287 rawmuse

My Bass Killer cat is one of those black and white ones with a Hitler moustache.
That he lives is a testament to my largesse.

Have you sent his picture to catsthatlooklikehitler.com?

290 Palandine  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:30:41am

re: #221 astronmr20

Something is telling me that the morning after McCain wins, there had better not be any McCain/Palin stickers on my vehicles.

/sorry if this sounds wimpy, but I'd rather not have any insurance claims on my clu report.

I'm voting, then I'm removing my bumper sticker, then I'm putting the car in the garage. Discretion is the better part of valor.

Ooh, Alien is on Fox Movie Channel. That scene with John Hurt, and the *sound* the alien makes in it, still squicks me out...

291 Neo Con since 9-11  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:30:45am

Heh we got a live troll in the undead's thread

292 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:31:40am

I liked "No Country For Old Men", and the new one from the Cohen Bros.
"Burn After Reading".


I got a song, ain't got no morals.
It's the Bad Guy win every once in a while.
-Billy Preston

293 gmsc  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:32:40am

re: #290 Palandine

I'm voting, then I'm removing my bumper sticker, then I'm putting the car in the garage. Discretion is the better part of valor.

Ooh, Alien is on Fox Movie Channel. That scene with John Hurt, and the *sound* the alien makes in it, still squicks me out...

Thanks to Spaceballs, I can never again watch that scene in Alien without laughing.

294 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:32:52am

re: #289 gmsc

That is funny! I'll send one in.

295 DisturbedEma  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:33:28am

re: #292 rawmuse

I liked "No Country For Old Men", and the new one from the Cohen Bros.
"Burn After Reading".


I got a song, ain't got no morals.
It's the Bad Guy win every once in a while.
-Billy Preston

You are entitled. . .I cannot stand Brolin. . .but I loved Fargo and Raising Arizona. . .

296 gmsc  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:33:52am

re: #288 Gus 802

Aren't those called Tuxedo Cats?

Thanks to the internet, they're now called Kitlers.
;)

297 DisturbedEma  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:34:43am

re: #280 gmsc

...and he'll destroy justice along the way.

No justice. . .no peace. . .just pieces. . .

298 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:35:24am

re: #287 rawmuse

My Bass Killer cat is one of those black and white ones with a Hitler moustache.
That he lives is a testament to my largesse.

You just can't imagine how pissed off I was when I heard that dull "twang" of a Les Paul hitting the deck, or maybe you can.

/he tipped it over sideways, which is the only reason the neck didn't break

299 Tamron  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:36:10am

in 1997 Michelle Obama, Associate Dean of Student Services at the U of Chicago, invited William Ayers and Senator Barack Obama to be two of four members of a panel on juvenile justice. Here's an article that appeared in the U of C News regarding that event:

CLOSE-UP ON JUVENILE JUSTICE
By Jennifer Vanasco
University of Chicago News Office
November 6, 1997 - Vol. 17, Nol 4

Children who kill are called "super predators," "people with no conscience," "feral pre-social beings" -- and "adults."

William Ayers, author of A Kind and Just Parent: The Children of Juvenile Court (Beacon Press, 1997), says "We should call a child a child. A 13-year-old who picks up a gun isn't suddenly an adult. We have to ask other questions: How did he get the gun? Where did it come from?"

Ayers, who spent a year observing the Cook County Temporary Juvenile Detention Center in Chicago, is one of four panelists who will speak on juvenile justice at 6 p.m. Thursday, Nov. 20, in the C-Shop. The panel, which marks the 100th anniversary of the juvenile justice system in the United States, is part of the Community Service Center's monthly discussion series on issues affecting the city of Chicago. The event is free and open to the public.

Ayers will be joined by Sen. Barack Obama, Senior Lecturer in the Law School, who is working to combat legislation that would put more juvenile offenders into the adult system; Randolph Stone, Director of the Mandel Legal Aid Clinic; Alex Correa, a reformed juvenile offender who spent seven years in Cook County Temporary Detention Center; Frank Tobin, a former priest and teacher at the Detention Center who helped Correa; and Willy Baldwin, who grew up in public housing and is currently a teacher at the Detention Center.

The juvenile justice system was founded by Chicago reformer Jane Addams, who advocated the establishment of a separate court system for children which would act like a "kind and just parent" for children in crisis.

One hundred years later, the system is "overcrowded, under-funded, over-centralized and racist," Ayers said.

Michelle Obama, Associate Dean of Student Services and Director of the University Community Service Center, hopes bringing issues like this to campus will open a dialogue between members of the University community and the broader community.

"Students and faculty explore these issues in the classroom, but it is an internal conversation," [Michelle] Obama said. "We know that issues like juvenile justice impact the city of Chicago, this nation and -- directly or indirectly -- this campus. This panel gives students a chance to hear about the juvenile justice system not only on a theoretical level, but from the people who have experienced it."

Do you get Ayers' viewpoint? Here's what he is saying: A teenager who murders is not at fault. The fault lies only in the gun they were using, and how they got the gun. (Incidentally, what if he didn't use a gun?) A murderer is not a murderer, until he's had at least 18 birthdays.
.

300 Gus 802  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:36:49am

re: #296 gmsc

Voted for Kryspin.

301 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:37:06am

re: #298 Killian Bundy

Mine made that classic, unmistakable "El Ka-bong" sound.

302 gmsc  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:38:01am

re: #300 Gus 802

Voted for Kryspin.

Did you see Conky? Too funny!

303 Metal Man  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:39:06am

re: #284 Adina in Judea

Barry may be evil incarnate or he is just greedy. These politicians are mostly just trying to get the goose to lay the golden eggs faster to feed their greed. They just can;t imagine they are on the brink of killing that goose.

It is odd that all one needs to know about how we are being f^&ked by politics is in these four childrens books.

The Ant and the Grasshopper
The Little Red Hen
The Boy who cried Wolf
Chicken Little

Oh and the one with the goose of course.

304 Maximu§  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:39:46am

Hey gang, I am bombed tonight

305 Gus 802  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:41:30am

re: #302 gmsc

Cute. Looks like he's ready willing and able to jump on a fine bass any minute now. Giant whiskers -- he'll be wide body for sure.

306 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:42:27am

On the bright side, I just watched Palin on SNL.

I'm sorry, y'all can complain about it if you like, but when Amy Pohler "shot" the moose, I laughed until I cried.

307 laZardo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:45:15am

re: #303 Metal Man

Barry may be evil incarnate or he is just greedy. These politicians are mostly just trying to get the goose to lay the golden eggs faster to feed their greed. They just can;t imagine they are on the brink of killing that goose.

It is odd that all one needs to know about how we are being f^&ked by politics is in these four childrens books.

The Ant and the Grasshopper
The Little Red Hen

The Boy who cried Wolf
Chicken Little

Oh and the one with the goose of course.

Michelle Malkin did the first one, I think I saw the second one in a post a couple days ago.

308 laZardo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:46:03am

re: #306 Pawn of the Oppressor

I don't see anything wrong with Palin and McCain appearing as themselves on SNL. It shows that at least we can laugh at ourselves once in a while, unlike others who get OFFENDED when their candidate is "portrayed."

309 Gus 802  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:47:26am

Here's a clear mugshot of John Podesta who's leading Obama's imaginary transition team.

Former Clinton hack.

/Looks like your typical EU Parliament geek.

310 Inquisitive  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:47:29am

Time for me to say good night.......it has been as usual enlightening and entertaining ......Great job Zombie, and as far watching SNL....in Sarah's words......NEVER AGAIN!
p.s.thanks Charles for a great place to hang out!

311 Metal Man  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:52:12am

re: #307 laZardo

I think somebody did a version of The Little Red Hen here today or last night. Which was my inspiration.

312 Salem  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:52:35am

If Obama wins, there may well be celebration riots, just like after championship games.

313 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:53:42am

I missed Sarahcuda's SNL appearence....anyone care to give me the nutshell version of her appearence and the cast and audiences reaction?

314 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:54:12am

re: #308 laZardo

I don't see anything wrong with Palin and McCain appearing as themselves on SNL. It shows that at least we can laugh at ourselves once in a while, unlike others who get OFFENDED when their candidate is "portrayed."

I liked when they had McCain on during the primaries, and he was telling the Democrats that they should take their time picking a nominee...

"And don't forget about that John Edwards guy. Maybe you should go back and kick the tires on him again, too..."

Speaking of McCain on TV, he was on Leno the day after Ascension at Invescos, and he was pretty funny and self-deprecating, AND he made some heavyweight comments about the Bush admin too. He called Rumsfeld "one of the worst SecDefs we've ever had", flat out, right there on the show, in the context of talking about Petraeus' surge tactics in Iraq.

McCain gives us more insight into his thinking on a f-ckin' late night talk show than we get from Obama in a Presidential debate. How sad is that?

315 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:54:45am

re: #270 gmsc

Just for fun, cheer, and schandefreude: NY Times stock price from 2004-2008

Their dollar value is now 2/7 what it was five years ago.

316 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:56:16am

re: #313 Fenway_Nation

I missed Sarahcuda's SNL appearence....anyone care to give me the nutshell version of her appearence and the cast and audiences reaction?

She rocked, Lorne Michaels took a swipe at his own 30 Rock, and everyone else pretty well stunk out loud.

317 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:56:56am

re: #312 Salem

If Obama wins, there may well be celebration riots, just like after championship games.

/Obama's Election Night in Chicago

318 laZardo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:57:12am

re: #314 Pawn of the Oppressor

Comedy shows are the only places where it's okay to pretty much "let it all out" as compared to the rigid PC standards of a debate...

319 Metal Man  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:57:45am

re: #313 Fenway_Nation

See it here.

320 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 12:58:34am

re: #308 laZardo

I don't see anything wrong with Palin and McCain appearing as themselves on SNL. It shows that at least we can laugh at ourselves once in a while, unlike others who get OFFENDED when their candidate is "portrayed."

Hey Lazardo...I'm being you tonight..it's 4am and i can't sleep!
whad up?

321 Gus 802  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:00:40am

re: #319 Metal Man

God Lord, Alec Baldwin with Sarah Palin on NBC.

Funny stuff actually.

322 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:01:14am

re: #313 Fenway_Nation

I missed Sarahcuda's SNL appearence....anyone care to give me the nutshell version of her appearance and the cast and audiences reaction?

Description follows, SPOILERS if you haven't seen it (but I won't give away the punchlines)

1. Fey up on the podium pretending to be SP, then they cut to the hallway and the real Palin is watching herself on TV, with Lorne Michaels. Arec Bardwin comes up, complains to Michaels about Palin being on the show, not realizing that it's NOT Tina Fey next to him. Baldwin ends up taking Palin on a "tour" - he goes over to Fey at the podium, whispers in her ear. The real Palin and Fey end up passing one another on stage and, from my POV, Fey looked genuinely snotty towards Palin as they passed... Palin gives the Live from NY intro.

2. Palin on weekend update. She's about to start speaking when she says she can't do "what we rehearsed", Pohler says she'll do it if Palin won't, then she breaks into a rap song about... Well, every funny stereotype of Palin. Pohler raps herself off stage, then the weekend update guy says to Palin, "Yeah, I don't think you should have done that" and Palin says "you betcha!"

That was it. I L'd my A O at the rap bit. For what little she was on, she did great, especially on the weekend update bit. She used to be a sportscaster, after all.

323 Salem  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:01:37am

re: #317 Killian Bundy

/Obama's Election Night in Chicago

Ought to be at least a few shocked Obama supporters starting to ask themselves what they've gotten themselves into after that.

324 Gus 802  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:01:41am

Correction: meant Good Lord. Could use an edit option. My fault.

325 laZardo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:02:53am

re: #320 HoosierHoops

Drawing up a rendering sketch for a supermarket "product stand" for a local brand of powdered orange juice. It's designed like an orange tree where kids can 'pick' the orange juice packets off to put in the shopping carts.

/what better way to pass a lazy Sunday afternoon...

326 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:03:49am

Oh, and I have to hand it to Amy Poehler. She was awesome.

327 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:04:46am

By the way, I'm thinking that 0bama's half-hour infomercial that's supposed to delay the start of the World Series will likely backfire....I mean out of all the people who might be watching, how many do you think haven't made up their minds yet?

Not to mention two of the three possible teams representing the cities still playing for the WS are firmly in the bag for the big 0

328 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:05:06am

Just wanted to add one last thought about the election...

In the last few weeks of the primaries, Hillary clobbered Obama massively in some of those states. The only reason she couldn't catch up to Obama was the nature of the delegate system (where he got a similar number of delegates that Hillary got even though he lost primary after primary after primary to her towards the end.)

The electoral college doesn't work the same way.

Obama was so weakened by the end of the primaries that he had to get that vote about Michigan and Florida receiving half-votes for each delegate before he felt comfortable enough to move towards the convention.

In his home state, Obama is more accustomed to winning by having other candidates knocked out of the race for some reason. He's never won an election where he had serious opposition.

Obama is losing ground now. He only surged forward because of the Fannie Mae / Freddie Mac debacle (which the Democrats blamed on the Republicans.)

Obama isn't any more "inevitable" than Hillary turned out to be.

329 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:07:21am

re: #323 Salem

Ought to be at least a few shocked Obama supporters starting to ask themselves what they've gotten themselves into after that.

/damn right, this is how I picture Lord President For Life Obama voters

330 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:07:30am

re: #326 Pawn of the Oppressor

And watching Sarahcudah "dancing" (well, she was sitting, but she was still be-bopping around) to the rap about her was amazingly refreshing.

So that's 2 for 2 of the GOP names who can truly laugh at themselves. And how many of the Dems?

331 laZardo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:07:51am

re: #328 Adina in Judea

In his home state, Obama is more accustomed to winning by having other candidates knocked out of the race for some reason. He's never won an election where he had serious opposition.

Need I guess what reason that was? (;

332 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:09:48am

re: #325 laZardo

Drawing up a rendering sketch for a supermarket "product stand" for a local brand of powdered orange juice. It's designed like an orange tree where kids can 'pick' the orange juice packets off to put in the shopping carts.

/what better way to pass a lazy Sunday afternoon...

How cool...I have a big party to go to today..BBQ and beer and football...
I got a new dog today..His name is winston...
might as well drink some coffee

333 Gus 802  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:09:56am

re: #328 Adina in Judea

Interesting how the Obama camp already failed with their Keating 5 strawman which dropped like a rock in water.

McCain can easily win Florida. He should consider more advertising there and perhaps increasing Lieberman's role there.

He should make a few appearances to Michigan.

334 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:12:31am

re: #333 Gus 802

McCain can easily win Florida. He should consider more advertising there and perhaps increasing Lieberman's role there.

He should make a few appearances to Michigan.

He should do something.

/the clock is ticking and he's still losing

335 laZardo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:17:38am

re: #319 Metal Man

Mark Wahlberg!?

I watched Max Payne last Friday night and spent the hour afterward grumbling at how they butchered one of my favorite videogames...

336 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:17:41am

re: #334 Killian Bundy

He should do something.

/the clock is ticking and he's still losing

Not according to the Bradley Effect.

337 Gus 802  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:18:46am

re: #334 Killian Bundy

I know. This while the other half of America is hate to say in Welfare Mode.

The numbers were good in being against the Bailout but he chose the Big Government route. Which is barely working. Now we have Sarkozy whispering in Bush's ear about forming an International Banking System 1.0.

Is this what we want? Is this what McCain wants? How can he distinct himself from this Internationalist direction.

/I'm rambling.

338 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:19:17am

Obama's lead slips to 3 points

Striking distance.

/bad news is that it's a Zogby poll

339 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:21:09am

re: #338 Killian Bundy

bad news is that it's a Zogby poll

One ice patch doth not a winter make.

Watch for the Weekly Reader poll.

340 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:21:28am

re: #336 victor_yugo

Not according to the Bradley Effect.

I'll take what I can get, this election is that important.

/but it would be a shame if racists were the deciding factor

341 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:23:09am

re: #340 Killian Bundy

it would be a shame if racists were the deciding factor

"Racists" as defined by whom?

Murtha? Obama? Ayers? The WAB?

342 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:23:33am

re: #340 Killian Bundy

I'll take what I can get, this election is that important.

/but it would be a shame if racists were the deciding factor

Well because of the ACORN influence here his year in Indiana..I'm pretty sure McCain has lost the junkie vote.
/

343 Gus 802  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:23:44am

Gallup Traditional had McCain within 2%.

That's an even spread within a 2% error factor.

344 laZardo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:25:40am

re: #332 HoosierHoops

You get to party, I get to draw.

/and an early Happy Halloween to you... [=

345 laZardo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:26:07am

re: #341 victor_yugo

By any definition, that makes racists already the majority base. q=

346 Metal Man  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:26:10am

re: #335 laZardo

Mark Wahlberg!?

I watched Max Payne last Friday night and spent the hour afterward grumbling at how they butchered one of my favorite videogames...

I've played the game but not seen the movie. Seemed to me they put him on just as cover for how they have savaged Sarah.

347 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:26:21am

re: #341 victor_yugo

"Racists" as defined by whom?

Murtha? Obama? Ayers? The WAB?

That's the Bradley effect, they lie to pollsters with no intention of voting for a black man.

/me, I won't vote for him because he's an arrogant, ball to the wall, hardcore socialist

348 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:27:53am

re: #340 Killian Bundy

I'll take what I can get, this election is that important.

/but it would be a shame if racists were the deciding factor

The Bradley Effect isn't racism.

It's a matter of people feeling uncomfortable about saying that they don't intend to vote for the candidate who happens to be black when they're polled ahead of the election.

It's part of the "walking on eggshells" thing that has many white people afraid to be perceived as racists. So they say "Oh yeah, I'm voting for Bradley (or Obama)" when they really have other intentions for whatever reasons.

349 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:29:45am

re: #345 laZardo

By any definition, that makes racists already the majority base. q=

Bookmarked your website...hell of an artist dude..
I still need an avatar..
avatars by lazardo....:)

350 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:29:53am

re: #347 Killian Bundy

That's the Bradley effect, they lie to pollsters with no intention of voting for a black man.

This isn't the Bradley Effect.

The Bradley Effect is white people who don't want to admit to people who are polling them that they plan to choose the other candidate. They don't want to be perceived as racist.

351 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:30:09am

re: #347 Killian Bundy

That's the Bradley effect, they lie to pollsters with no intention of voting for a black man.

No, they lie because the man they have no intention of voting for, happens to be black, and they know they'll be called racists no matter what.

352 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:31:20am

re: #302 gmsc

Actually, this one is a dead ringer for the Bass Killer.

353 Metal Man  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:32:25am

re: #340 Killian Bundy

I'll take what I can get, this election is that important.

/but it would be a shame if racists were the deciding factor

I'm voting my conscience in this election. And I'm fucking sick of getting labeled a racist for it. The rest of this post is self deleted!

354 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:33:20am

re: #352 rawmuse

Actually, this one is a dead ringer for the Bass Killer.

Cats that look like Hitler.. I thught I'd seen it all..
But that's the beauty of the Internet

355 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:34:46am

Someone mentioned "tuxedo cats" earlier.

They're the ones who are mostly black (all over their backs, heads and tails) except for a white chin and stomach. Sometimes they even have four white paws, too.

They do look like they're wearing tuxedos.

356 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:34:55am

Hasta la manana, Lizards!

(can't get the proper diacritical characters for the Espanol...)

357 HelloDare  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:34:56am

Great article from American Thinker. It's in the Spinoff links upstairs. If you like it, ding it up so others can read it later this morning. I think it's spot on.
Here's how it ends:

A Harvard Trial Lawyer for McCain

"...the thing that Barack Obama seems to ponder most is his own greatness. He doesn't write biographies, he writes only autobiographies. He gives speeches which he declares to be historic. He recognizes his place in history long before he has created history. This nation is but a stage upon which Barack Obama creates his life story, and it's all about him.

Yet what great achievement has Barack Obama obtained other than his own political advancement? What historic law did he author, what historic court case did he argue, what historic battle did he fight, what cause greater than himself warranted more than a passing interest in his historic life? If my life were on the line, I wouldn't hire Barack Obama as my lawyer. I'd be concerned that he'd be up late at night working on a draft of his book about how my case affected his life.

Barack Obama loves this country, in his own words, because nowhere else could his story be possible. John McCain loves this country just because. And that's why I'll vote for John McCain."

358 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:35:27am

re: #350 Adina in Judea

This isn't the Bradley Effect.

The Bradley Effect is white people who don't want to admit to people who are polling them that they plan to choose the other candidate. They don't want to be perceived as racist.

Crap like that just perpetuates the problem.

/when does the statute of limitations on white guilt expire?

359 Gus 802  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:36:48am

I don't think the Bradley Effect will have much of an impact in this election. What we'll probably see is the reverse given the psychological profile of the typical white Liberal Voter.

We also have to keep in mind that Obama was essentially raised by his Kansas grandparents. Or as he described of his grandmother -- a typical white woman. Subject to outstanding "fact checking" of Obama's take on his history of course.

Overall, white liberals tend to associate themselves with black politicians as a general rule regardless of ideology.

360 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:38:25am

re: #351 victor_yugo

No, they lie because the man they have no intention of voting for, happens to be black, and they know they'll be called racists no matter what.

Dumb, but whatever.

/it's probably worth 2-3 points

361 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:39:49am

re: #355 Adina in Judea

Someone mentioned "tuxedo cats" earlier.

They're the ones who are mostly black (all over their backs, heads and tails) except for a white chin and stomach. Sometimes they even have four white paws, too.

They do look like they're wearing tuxedos.

Sylvester is the most famous specimen.

362 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:40:16am

re: #360 Killian Bundy

Dumb, but whatever.

/it's probably worth 2-3 points

363 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:40:57am

re: #358 Killian Bundy

when does the statute of limitations on white guilt expire?

It will be fed, watered, and fertilized if Obama is elected (G-d forbid.)

Not that it helps blacks. A quick look at Obama's areas in Chicago shows that it only makes things worse. His areas are hellholes today as Chicago just finished a summer with more murders in one city than combat deaths for American soldiers in the entire country of Iraq.

Obama is a destroyer, and his pushing of white guilt is part of what he does.

364 Metal Man  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:41:39am

re: #358 Killian Bundy

I lie to pollsters no matter the color of the candidate because I believe there is no value in any conservative thinking they can stay home election day.

Not a day in my life has the media in my area been on my side but once in awhile a conservative slips through the cracks.

365 capitalist piglet  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:42:03am

re: #49 hermeneutics

Good evening, Lizards

Did anyone see Palin on SNL? If yes, please describe in 100 words or less.

I saw it. I skipped everything but her two sketches. She was beautiful, natural, poised, and her timing and delivery was great. I know a lot of people are afraid to watch it, but I LOVED it, and I think she helped herself quite a lot tonight. People will see that she isn't the bimbo portrayed by Fey every week...and she can laugh at the parodies of herself. It's all good.

No question in my mind this was a very good move.

366 laZardo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:43:19am

re: #363 Adina in Judea

Only because the Rethuglicans are dumping all that money they could use to help those communities into some senseless war abroad, thus negating Obama's efforts!

/it's so easy to replicate their logic it scares me...

367 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:43:43am

re: #365 capitalist piglet

Good news.. I forgot to record it..

368 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:44:19am

re: #359 Gus 802

The Bradley Effect happened in California.

California helps set the standard for liberal thinking.

I think it could still happen elsewhere.

369 capitalist piglet  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:45:13am
If my life were on the line, I wouldn't hire Barack Obama as my lawyer. I'd be concerned that he'd be up late at night working on a draft of his book about how my case affected his life.

Wow. Nailed it.

370 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:45:38am

re: #361 Moe Katz

What about AOK the kitten?

371 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:45:49am

re: #363 Adina in Judea

It will be fed, watered, and fertilized if Obama is elected (G-d forbid.)

Not that it helps blacks. A quick look at Obama's areas in Chicago shows that it only makes things worse. His areas are hellholes today as Chicago just finished a summer with more murders in one city than combat deaths for American soldiers in the entire country of Iraq.

Obama is a destroyer, and his pushing of white guilt is part of what he does.

I have no doubt that slavery reparations will quickly be added to the Congressional agenda.

/and then we can all argue about how "black" we are

372 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:45:53am

re: #368 Adina in Judea

The Bradley Effect happened in California.

California helps set the standard for liberal thinking.

I think it could still happen elsewhere.

Especially if a lot of people are fed up with being browbeaten into supporting Obama for the sake of racial reconciliation.

373 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:47:09am

re: #370 Fenway_Nation

What about AOK the kitten?

Awwww cute .... nice story.

374 Gus 802  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:48:15am

re: #368 Adina in Judea

Then I could be wrong. I have lived in San Francisco and in some liberal areas. I do remember many confessionals from liberals which counter the PC stereotype -- in private.

375 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:48:23am

re: #370 Fenway_Nation

What about AOK the kitten?

/cats do the damnedest things

376 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:48:29am

re: #361 Moe Katz

Sylvester is the most famous specimen.

I had a cat like that once - complete with four white paws.

He also had very long fur.

He was quite beautiful in his tuxedo fur, especially after being groomed.

He didn't care for the bow on his head that the groomers put on him, though.

377 Metal Man  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:48:44am

re: #367 HoosierHoops

Good news.. I forgot to record it..


See it here.

She is in only 2 sketches and the other is also at the same link.

378 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:49:27am

re: #376 Adina in Judea

I had a cat like that once - complete with four white paws.

He also had very long fur.

He was quite beautiful in his tuxedo fur, especially after being groomed.

He didn't care for the bow on his head that the groomers put on him, though.

They are beautiful cats. Never had one like that, though---I've had pure white, gray tabbies, marmalade toms.

379 laZardo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:51:22am

re: #371 Killian Bundy

Since I'm Filipino I might be eligible for "colonial" reparations instead. |=

/great-grandparents were revolutionaries in 1896 against the Spaniards, as it happens...

380 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:51:27am

re: #370 Fenway_Nation

What about AOK the kitten?

Careful, there are some stomach-turning pics in that link.

381 capitalist piglet  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:51:31am

re: #306 Pawn of the Oppressor

On the bright side, I just watched Palin on SNL.

I'm sorry, y'all can complain about it if you like, but when Amy Pohler "shot" the moose, I laughed until I cried.

Me too. That whole rap thing was hilarious. Sarah was so cool, too.

382 Gus 802  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:52:12am

re: #378 Moe Katz

My favorite cat was Tuxedo. He could retrieve as well as his brother. Smart little cat and very attached.

383 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:53:22am

re: #382 Gus 802

My favorite cat was Tuxedo. He could retrieve as well as his brother. Smart little cat and very attached.

Never seen a cat retrieve, that's impressive.

384 vbspurs  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:53:24am

Hey peeps! I noticed the SNL chatter on LGF was not very copious in the previous thread (or this one). Since the Blogosphere is burning up with Palin on SNL chatter, I posted the two skit videos in the Spinoff Links.

I have to say that I thought she did FABU, considering she was a dead duck going there. All in all, though they ribbed her, she more than held her own.

Who doesn't love Palin wearing knee-high boots, bopping her head to a great rap song?

385 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:54:23am

re: #380 victor_yugo

I know....and by the authour's own account, things were looking pretty grim for little AOK. However, after some grease, oil and shoving, I'd say it worked out for the kitten.

386 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:54:42am

re: #374 Gus 802

Then I could be wrong. I have lived in San Francisco and in some liberal areas. I do remember many confessionals from liberals which counter the PC stereotype -- in private.

Me too. Even a woman friend who adopted two biracial kids but in private was not uncritical of black political orthodoxies.

387 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:55:17am

re: #385 Fenway_Nation

I know....and by the authour's own account, things were looking pretty grim for little AOK. However, after some grease, oil and shoving, I'd say it worked out for the kitten.

Nothing like a little lubricant for a tight pussy.

388 HelloDare  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:55:38am

I think the Bradley Effect is a bunch of hooey. Maybe back then it way in play, but not now.

Just an easy answer for what may happen -- Barack losing.

Did Truman win because of the Bradley Effect? Hard to see how that could have happened.

With so many negative reasons not to vote for Obama, why would somebody be compelled to lie and say they are voting for him?

Okay, if you're black, there may be a lot of pressure to lie.

Race is a positive factor for Obama. More people are voting for him just because he is black than are voting against him because he's black. There's no doubt about that.

And there was a poll awhile back that showed that McCain's age was a bigger negative than Barack's race.

A lot of this talk of the Bradley Effect is just the liberals fanning the embers of perceived racism.

389 Metal Man  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:56:00am

re: #382 Gus 802

I have cats only because without them I would have mice. I kinda have become attached to my cats but have never seen any indication I could train them:)

390 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:56:02am

re: #365 capitalist piglet

People will see that she isn't the bimbo portrayed by Fey every week...and she can laugh at the parodies of herself. It's all good.

Actually, I found myself agreeing with the words Tina Fey was putting in Sarah Palin's mouth, especially the part about "which parts aren't patriotic".

As they say, the best humor is based in reality.

391 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:56:33am

re: #377 Metal Man

She is in only 2 sketches and the other is also at the same link.

Great! thanks
You know what is sad about Joe the Plumber?
Last month he was an investment banker
-Jay Leno

392 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:57:06am

re: #387 Moe Katz

*smack*

/doing Mandy's job in her absence

393 Gus 802  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:57:34am

re: #383 Moe Katz

I thought it was too. Had another one, a Russian Blue, that would retrieve a rolled up newspaper, grudgingly, but only when I whistled.

394 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:57:37am

re: #392 victor_yugo

*smack*

/doing Mandy's job in her absence

Yes, and well deserved it would have been. Could never resist a pun waiting to be made.

395 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:58:57am

re: #388 HelloDare

Just an easy answer for what may happen -- Barack losing.

No, it's an easy answer for the polls being wrong. Not just "wrong," but "totally f$^*ing wrong."

396 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 1:59:17am

re: #387 Moe Katz


*SPEW!*

At least I don't have fruitcup coming out of my nose.

397 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:00:01am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------------>
Help yourselves!

398 laZardo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:00:31am

re: #397 littleoldlady

re: #396 Fenway_Nation

And here I was thinking "Littleoldlady signing on in 3...2...1..."

399 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:00:31am

Hi L.O.L.!

*mwah*

400 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:02:02am

The main thing to remember about the polls is that when they're wrong, they're never wrong in favor of Republicans. When they turn out to be wrong, they have always been wrong by showing polls too high for Democrats.

This has happened over and over again in the last 30 years, at least.

401 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:02:19am

re: #397 littleoldlady


Looks like your Phillies are one game away from a clash with the Red Sox at Fenway to open up the World Series.

/Then again, they've been one game away from a clash with the Devil Rays at Tampa to open up the World Series ever since the bottom of the 7th Thursday night.

402 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:03:19am

re: #395 victor_yugo

As an add-on, the Weekly Reader poll is devoid of the Bradley Effect. Because the kids know what the adults are saying behind closed doors.

403 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:03:30am

laZardo! :-)

victor! :-)

Best offer I've had today!
/so far
// "mwah* backatcha!

404 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:03:40am

re: #400 Adina in Judea

The main thing to remember about the polls is that when they're wrong, they're never wrong in favor of Republicans. When they turn out to be wrong, they have always been wrong by showing polls too high for Democrats.

This has happened over and over again in the last 30 years, at least.

That's interesting. You could probably construct a statistical model of this, or has someone done so?

405 jamie  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:03:42am

re: #401 Fenway_Nation

I do love that Dirty Water.

It was great to see Good Beckett show up last night.

406 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:04:14am

re: #401 Fenway_Nation

Boston is staging a come back?

/who knew?

;-)

407 Gus 802  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:06:17am

Still thinking that the numbers are weighted towards the 20-30 age group which won't show up come on a certain Tuesday come November.

408 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:06:28am

re: #382 Gus 802

My favorite cat was Tuxedo. He could retrieve as well as his brother. Smart little cat and very attached.

That's impressive and exactly the opposite of my experience.

/the drill is that I search high and low for Kitten Bill's coveted laser ball. put it back where it belongs and a minute later it's another laser ball treasure hunt, without a clue if I'm not watching him

409 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:07:26am

re: #405 jamie


Becket still looked a little off, but even so was good enough to keep it close all night.

All that was missing was Danielle Peck singing the national anthem.

410 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:07:32am

re: #397 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------------>
Help yourselves!

Good morning Lady..thanks for the fruitcup..How about some cherry yogurt?
My fav...I just watched the SNL clip of Sarah somebody posted upthread.
It was fantastic...whow who knew? Baldwin was great...

411 laZardo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:07:46am

re: #403 littleoldlady

Thanks for the kiss but you wouldn't want me around the fruitcup right now... =D

412 HelloDare  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:08:06am

re: #395 victor_yugo

Good point.

I thought it interesting that when the exit polls were off in the last election and showed that Kerry had a big lead, the Republicans blamed faulty exit polling. (It was all done by one company and the results shared by all the networks.)

The Democrats blamed voter fraud in all the precincts across the Untied States -- the corrupt republican machine.

The simplest answer was the right one. The exit polls were screwed up. I forget how. I think it had something to do with the young age of the pollsters picking people their own age who are trend more liberal...and some other factors.

413 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:08:29am

re: #410 HoosierHoops

Hoosier! :-)

Got blueberry?

414 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:08:45am

re: #405 jamie

I do love that Dirty Water.

It was great to see Good Beckett show up last night.

I missed the game..Boston won?
ESPN has got a college football game on...
what was the score?

415 arizona9  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:08:58am
then she breaks into a rap song about... Well, every funny stereotype of Palin.

So, they were ridiculing her to her face? How could that have turned out well? I couldn't bring myself to watch it.

416 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:09:23am

re: #411 laZardo

Is that your artwork? It's wonderful!

417 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:10:46am

re: #413 littleoldlady

Hoosier! :-)

Got blueberry?

Only Virtually...
I couldn't sleep..I always miss you..how have you been? what's new?

418 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:11:35am

re: #404 Moe Katz

I read an article recently with statistics over the last 30 years about how the polls favored Democrats every time they were wrong. There was never an instance where a Republican candidate polled higher than the percentage of votes he actually received in a Presidential election.

If the polls are wrong, they're always wrong in one direction only (and they are frequently wrong.)

419 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:11:43am

re: #415 arizona9

So, they were ridiculing her to her face? How could that have turned out well? I couldn't bring myself to watch it.

Watch it with the sound turned off during the rap. Never mind the words, just watch Sarah Palin's participation in the skit.

After the rappers leave the set, turn the sound back up.

Priceless.

420 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:12:04am

re: #414 HoosierHoops

Boston Bruins beat the Ottowa Senators tonight 4-2

Boston College beat Virginia Tech tonight 28-23

And if I'm not mistaken, there was some sort of baseball contest on tonight in which the team representing Beantown triumphed without spotting a 7-0 lead to the opposition.

421 laZardo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:13:25am

re: #416 littleoldlady

Art AND photo, actually.

I'm coming up with a little poster parodying the Obama campaign based on the Norsefire propaganda poster from V for Vendetta. It'll probably be the week after this (midterms) before I can really get to it in earnest though.

/peace through unity, unity through CHANGE!

422 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:13:57am

This year, I wouldn't put too much stock in the Weekly Reader vote.

I've heard that they changed it to include inner city schools that were never included until now. Also, the kids have been voting during the economic crisis, which may have provided a voting trend for Obama that now appears to be rescinding.

423 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:14:02am

re: #415 arizona9

So, they were ridiculing her to her face? How could that have turned out well? I couldn't bring myself to watch it.

No.. it was great..
Old Baldwin is talking to Sarah back stage when he thinks he is talking to Tina Fey....It was so funny..then when she introduced herself he got so embarrassed and took her on the tour of the studio..ect..it was very good..And i stopped watching SNL years ago..It used to be funny

424 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:14:20am

re: #417 HoosierHoops

I'm okay, thanks. Our big excitement (someday I'll get a life. maybe) is that MNT (meannastyteenager) morphed into MNTS (meannastytwentysomething) on Friday.

/so naturally, we've been spending money! ;-)

How's by you?

425 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:15:28am

re: #421 laZardo

I'm impress! :-)

426 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:16:47am

Also, the Weekly Reader vote could be tainted this year if schools are promoting the idea that it's racist not to vote for Obama.

The girl in Florida who wore a "Go Sarah Go" t-shirt to school and was called racist for supporting McCain instead of Obama is a pretty sickening story that may be happening in other places, too.

427 laZardo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:17:06am

re: #425 littleoldlady

Thanks. [=

428 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:18:30am

re: #420 Fenway_Nation

Boston Bruins beat the Ottowa Senators tonight 4-2

Boston College beat Virginia Tech tonight 28-23

And if I'm not mistaken, there was some sort of baseball contest on tonight in which the team representing Beantown triumphed without spotting a 7-0 lead to the opposition.

I am a HUGE Celtic and Sox fan...In a perfect universe the Sox beat the Yankees everytime...forever..And Larry Bird goes back to Boston and becomes the GM...

429 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:18:35am

re: #426 Adina in Judea

The girl in Florida who wore a "Go Sarah Go" t-shirt to school and was called racist for supporting McCain instead of Obama is a pretty sickening story that may be happening in other places, too.

I saw nothing in that story that could be verified independently. Only an accusation that never resulted in action on-the-record.

Beware of agents provocateurs.

430 IslandLibertarian  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:20:42am

Live 6 hours ago from New York, it's Saturday Night!
And it stinks in this time zone too!

431 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:20:46am

Although - Cindy McCain has won the Family Circle cookie contest (which has predicted Presidential winners for awhile):

Cindy McCain's oatmeal-butterscotch recipe received 54 percent of the readers' vote, to 44 percent for Michelle Obama’s shortbread cookies, Family Circle magazine announced this afternoon. Bill Clinton, who submitted his oatmeal cookie recipe before Hillary Clinton dropped out, received 2 percent of the vote.

McCain's winning recipe -- which presumably is her own after earlier controversies over borrowed recipes -- will appear in the magazine's Nov. 1 issue.

The cookie contest between the potential first spouses has correctly predicted the presidential winner in every election since 1992, the magazine says:

2004, Laura Bush’s oatmeal chocolate chunks beat Teresa Heinz Kerry’s pumpkin spice cookies.

2000, Laura Bush’s Texas governor’s mansion cowboy cookies defeated Tipper Gore’s gingersnaps.

1996, Hillary Clinton’s oatmeal chocolate chips bested Elizabeth Dole’s pecan rolls.

And in 1992, Hillary Clinton’s oatmeal chocolate chips also defeated Barbara Bush’s classic chocolate chips.

That's the way the cookie crumbles

432 capitalist piglet  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:21:34am

re: #410 HoosierHoops

And here's what's especially funny, to me anyway. A fair number of the lefties at DU think that Alec Baldwin was serious, and they're envious that he got to get in Governor Palin's face like that - they're really proud of him; they think she was openly mocked, and she was too stupid to realize it, and one or two of them said they (SNL) "actually got her to admit she didn't want to do the rap". They couldn't believe her handlers let her do this...they feel it was a disaster for her, and SNL really "came through" for them.

Though a few DUers seem to be reasonably intelligent, the fact that these comments go largely unchallenged demonstrates that many are simply USDA Prime, Grade A idiots.

433 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:21:58am

re: #424 littleoldlady

I'm okay, thanks. Our big excitement (someday I'll get a life. maybe) is that MNT (meannastyteenager) morphed into MNTS (meannastytwentysomething) on Friday.

/so naturally, we've been spending money! ;-)

How's by you?

We are doing wonderful..I'm glad all is good with you..
I got my first dog today..I've never had a pet...After raising 5 kids... ( the youngest is 16) the house is to quiet..Mrs. Hoopster agreed to a dog..
Cutest little fellow n the world..She is ruining my dog! He likes her more than me..Not really..well kindof..

434 FamHistoryGuy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:22:07am

re: #358 Killian Bundy

What guilt? For what? Slavery has been in every society that has existed. No one group has an exclusive on it. The main slavers in Africa were black on black. The primary traders were Arab. Of the traffic out of Africa that which went to the West had a much higher survival rate than that which went to the Saudi Arabian peninsula. Slavery was and is wrong no matter who did/does it.

435 laZardo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:23:34am

re: #431 Adina in Judea

Forget First Lady cookies...what about Vice Presidential Cookoffs?

/they probably predict the opposite...I don't want to know what Gore was grilling...

436 capitalist piglet  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:24:00am

re: #415 arizona9

So, they were ridiculing her to her face? How could that have turned out well? I couldn't bring myself to watch it.

It really was just stupid, funny stuff - dancing "eskimos" in the background, a guy comes out in a snowmobile suit ("Todd")...a cartoonish moose wanders out and gets capped. Sarah just takes it all in stride, and dances - it's actually priceless. Then at the end, she steals Tina Fey's usual line and delivers it like a pro.

437 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:25:22am

Come to think about it, only one of Kitten Bill's six movable cat toys (not including all the [expletive deleted] he's not allowed to play with but does anyway) is visible, one of the two SmartyKat Refillable Catnip Toys.

Every day is an Easter egg hunt.

/I even had to put Da Bird in the closet because it just makes him insane trying to get at it

438 Gus 802  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:25:42am

Sarah Palin did well. She played the "straight man" in the end while the rest of the cast (in general) did their routines. She was her natural self.

439 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:26:08am

re: #436 capitalist piglet

It really was just stupid, funny stuff - dancing "eskimos" in the background, a guy comes out in a snowmobile suit ("Todd")...a cartoonish moose wanders out and gets capped. Sarah just takes it all in stride, and dances - it's actually priceless. Then at the end, she steals Tina Fey's usual line and delivers it like a pro.

I once had a college roommate do an amazing parody of me to my face.

He wasn't expecting me to laugh my ass off.

440 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:26:50am

re: #438 Gus 802

Sarah Palin did well. She played the "straight man" in the end while the rest of the cast (in general) did their routines. She was her natural self.

And, in being the "straight man," she was also the foil.

441 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:30:20am

re: #433 HoosierHoops

Our dog Roxanne adores talloldman. When I come through the door she comes to greet me wagging her tail; when he comes in her whole body wags. Well, I'm The Feeder after all, but Valerie the Cat feels the same way. I'm thinking that somehow animals prefer humans of the opposite sex. The late, great Ulysses the Cat loved me more than anyone.

442 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:31:36am
443 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:32:47am

re: #439 victor_yugo

One way we'd get other recruits in trouble while at Ft. Benning was saying "Do your Drill Sgt. Graham impression- that's freakin' hilarious!" loud enough for said drill sgt. to hear.

444 vbspurs  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:34:01am

re: #432 capitalist piglet

Though a few DUers seem to be reasonably intelligent, the fact that these comments go largely unchallenged demonstrates that many are simply USDA Prime, Grade A idiots.

It's the same thing, if perhaps a little less demonic, over at HuffPo. They are convinced (led by Robert Kubey) that this show is going to blow up on Palin's face as it made fun of her to her face. Further, they think Conservatives will react negatively, because rap is the music of black culture (clearly a racist allusion).

I don't know what to think. Are they really stupid? Can they misread a situation this badly?

Or, in the deepest recesses of their putrid dark little hearts, are they just trying to convince themselves that your average American won't say:

"Hey, good on her. What a sport, that Sarah Palin. And man is she HAWT"

Fear has a funny way of sounding a lot like that too.

445 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:34:59am

re: #441 littleoldlady


Maybe you could use another cat- have you checked your friendly neighborhood locomotive backshop?

446 Gus 802  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:35:36am

re: #440 victor_yugo

I know. But there isn't much you can do with that peer group.

They're still mad that people in Alaska are smarter than in Manhattan and Berkeley.

447 capitalist piglet  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:36:09am

re: #444 vbspurs

Oy.

Just saw this comment - and it's not the first one like this: "I actually thought she seemed very serious about backing out of doing the rap herself."

Words fail me.

448 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:36:21am

re: #445 Fenway_Nation

I have one around the corner. I'll go look.

/yes, i do, honest

449 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:36:43am

re: #432 capitalist piglet

and one or two of them said they (SNL) "actually got her to admit she didn't want to do the rap".

They thought she just happened to refuse to do the rap on camera while a very pregnant Amy Poehler just happened to know all the lines and the moves of the song enough to do it for her at the last possible split second?

Lefties are such idiots!

They couldn't believe her handlers let her do this...they feel it was a disaster for her, and SNL really "came through" for them.

Lorne Michaels is a Republican. He was standing next to Sarah Palin in the first skit and he wasn't ridiculing her.

SNL did a stupid show otherwise, but the Sarah Palin parts were fairly cute and she was in her element as a friendly, charismatic person.

She did just fine.

450 vbspurs  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:37:07am

re: #447 capitalist piglet

Oy.

Just saw this comment - and it's not the first one like this: "I actually thought she seemed very serious about backing out of doing the rap herself."

Words fail me.

Wow. What can you say? Epic humour fail. TILT.

451 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:37:51am

re: #447 capitalist piglet

Oy.

Just saw this comment - and it's not the first one like this: "I actually thought she seemed very serious about backing out of doing the rap herself."

Words fail me.

Then again, they think The Fascist Tool's finest moments aren't scripted, either.

452 arizona9  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:38:02am

Watch it with the sound turned off during the rap. Never mind the words, just watch Sarah Palin's participation in the skit.

Priceless.

Pass. I don't want to watch them humiliating her right to her face, sound or no sound. And the thought of scum sucking fat pig Baldwin(the worst of Hollywood liberal tooldum who no doubt genuinely thinks she is satan) being near her is nauseating.

These are the headlines on Yahoo about the appearance..Oy
"Palin Makes Goofy Appearance" and "Palin smiles as 'SNL' mocks her anew"

453 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:39:15am

re: #449 Adina in Judea

the Sarah Palin parts were fairly cute and she was in her element as a friendly, charismatic person.

Maybe we could send her to, ah, negotiate with Dinnerjacket? Do you suppose she could charm him into stopping the centrifuges?

454 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:39:29am

re: #445 Fenway_Nation

We've reached the tradeoff point here. Another animal means one of us humans doesn't get to eat.

MNTS: "Did you get me a cat for my birthday?"
LOL: "The days of buying presents that eat are OVER!"

455 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:40:21am

re: #442 ploome hineni

what breed did you get?

Good Morning Ploome...
I can't spell..but it is 2 year old chiwahha dog..A friend of mine knew this young couple that got this dog cause she could not have children...ahem..then she had a baby and the dude was all like we can't have a dog and a baby..He is a lap dog and he made the winston stay out in the pole barn..He is a beautiful little dog and follows me everywhere..
We met today at the park and this girl was crying when she gave me winston..
he was acting like a jerk..they will be divorced a year or two.. I can tell...
My best friend has been tellling me about Winston for a couple of weeks..So he was buttering us up..

456 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:40:45am

re: #449 Adina in Judea

Lorne Michaels is a Republican.

/how do you figure that?

457 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:41:14am

re: #452 arizona9

scum sucking fat pig Baldwin(the worst of Hollywood liberal tooldum who no doubt genuinely thinks she is satan)

If that's the case, then Baldwin just took the devil by the arm.

458 vbspurs  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:42:04am

re: #452 arizona9

"Palin smiles as 'SNL' mocks her anew"

Don't worry. Americans are sharp about pop culture's treatment of her, and they won't fall for this spin.

I posted the videos in the Spinoff Links, and this is what I wrote in my blogpost about one telling part:

Look at minute 2:30 of the second video, i.e., the first skit. As Fey is doing her "pageant-walking" routine in the press conference, we see Lorne Michaels and Governor Palin observing it on a big screen television.

Check out how Palin is busting out laughing at seeing Tina Fey imitate her Miss Wasilla walk. Then she quickly recovers her composure and "launches" into the rehearsed routine of looking fiercely at the whole goings-on. That was either a great acting job just before the camera panned to her, or it was genuine mirth on Palin's part.

I say, the latter.

They'll get that she loved it. What she has, that enormous gratuitous self-confidence, you can't teach.

459 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:42:51am

re: #456 Killian Bundy

He was giving her advice on media appearances.

460 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:43:20am

re: #444 vbspurs

It's the same thing, if perhaps a little less demonic, over at HuffPo. They are convinced (led by Robert Kubey) that this show is going to blow up on Palin's face as it made fun of her to her face. Further, they think Conservatives will react negatively, because rap is the music of black culture (clearly a racist allusion).

I don't know what to think. Are they really stupid? Can they misread a situation this badly?

Or, in the deepest recesses of their putrid dark little hearts, are they just trying to convince themselves that your average American won't say:

"Hey, good on her. What a sport, that Sarah Palin. And man is she HAWT"

Fear has a funny way of sounding a lot like that too.

The rap struck a nerve because it mentioned ayers AND plumbers. Double ZAP.

461 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:44:16am

re: #457 victor_yugo

If that's the case, then Baldwin just took the devil by the arm.

Baldwin is OK..He played a great jack ryan in the hunt of red October..and he was great in the movie the edge...

462 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:44:28am

re: #458 vbspurs

What she has, that enormous gratuitous self-confidence, you can't teach.

As Sandra Bullock said about Michael Caine's pageant-walk in Miss Congeniality: "That man is very confident in his sexuality."

463 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:45:16am

Okay, all y'all, it's seriously time for some sleep before a miserable Sunday.

l8r

464 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:45:33am

re: #448 victor_yugo

Well....prior to reading that page, I had no idea kittens foraged for food in the frames of locomotives being stripped for parts.

465 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:45:49am

re: #456 Killian Bundy

Well, Lorne Michaels was listed as one of the rare Hollywood types that donates money to John McCain in this article:

Hollywood Republicans lining up for McCain, Giuliani

So, I dunno.

466 vbspurs  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:46:41am

re: #460 Sharmuta

The rap struck a nerve because it mentioned ayers AND plumbers. Double ZAP.

The Anchoress said it should become a rally call-and-answer chant. :)

I was at the McCain Rally here in South Florida this Friday. The crowd was fantastic, shouting "Say it ain't so to Joe!" only to be answered by "Nobama!" from our section. I'll be blogging about it, with videos later. If only we had thought of this chant before.

467 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:47:56am

re: #463 victor_yugo

Okay, all y'all, it's seriously time for some sleep before a miserable Sunday.

l8r

Well have a good day..
I can't recall ever having a bad Sunday..Sunday is the best day of the week..
For a million reasons...
Any day you don't ever have to work has something going for it right off the bat

468 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:49:15am

re: #459 victor_yugo

He was giving her advice on media appearances.

That doesn't make him a Republican, just a service vendor.

/I'm sorry, you donate $2300 to Al Franken and your membership privileges are hereby revoked

469 vbspurs  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:49:40am

re: #465 Adina in Judea

Hollywood Republicans lining up for McCain, Giuliani

Holy crepe. Sandler is a Republican? I take every curse I uttered to him during "Zohan" back!

470 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:51:04am

re: #453 victor_yugo

Maybe we could send her to, ah, negotiate with Dinnerjacket? Do you suppose she could charm him into stopping the centrifuges?

The new leader of Pakistan was so taken with Sarah Palin that he got a fatwa launched against him when he returned to Pakistan. I mean, he was flipping out over her and he said he understood why everyone in America loves her so much.

Obviously, he got the "everyone in America" part wrong - but it makes me wonder if other Middle Eastern rulers (Saudi Kings and such) would go nuts if they met her, too.

"We are so pleased to meet you! Oil will be 50 cents per barrel from now on!"

471 vbspurs  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:51:20am

re: #468 Killian Bundy

That doesn't make him a Republican, just a service vendor.

/I'm sorry, you donate $2300 to Al Franken and your membership privileges are hereby revoked

Yes...I too was going to mention that he's donated to McCain's campaign before, but he's by no means a dyed-in-the-wool Republican like Jon Voigt.

Remember, Oprah's very first political contribution was to a Republican back in the day. It's safe to say she's not one.

472 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:51:22am

re: #466 vbspurs

The "0bama" "ayers" chant cracked me up, and it's been a long time since SNL cracked me up.

And getting the plumbers worked in- that's what really has them worked up. Joe has 'em crapping their pants. They can't stand that a regular guy has managed to out 0bama for the marxist that he is and turned this election on a dime.

473 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:51:42am
474 TheMatrix31  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:52:00am

I'm pretty buzzed at the moment. It helps take the edge off of the thought of a possible Obama presidency.

475 vbspurs  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:56:18am

re: #472 Sharmuta

The "0bama" "ayers" chant cracked me up, and it's been a long time since SNL cracked me up.

And getting the plumbers worked in- that's what really has them worked up. Joe has 'em crapping their pants. They can't stand that a regular guy has managed to out 0bama for the marxist that he is and turned this election on a dime.

Did you check out Joe's appearance tonight on Fox new show -- Huckabee?

The Governor (who I don't like as a politician, but he's a nice fellow in general) had on Joe Wurzelbacher, his dad and his son. I can't say this enough: he and Sarah Palin amply prove that your average blue-collar stiff can be self-possessed and articulate. Only urban elite liberals would think otherwise.

Aaron Tippet, the musical guest, echoed what a lot of us are feeling about this working-class hero:

"I can't believe I'm on this show with Joe the Plumber!".

476 shiplord kirel  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:56:52am

Remember the Drunkistani British goebbelist who declared that the American people would not deserve to survive if Bush were re-elected in 2004?

With most of the world enthralled by the Obamessiah, we can expect to see similar thinking on a much greater scale if McCain does actually manage to pull out a win. I have been thinking about some of the ways in which this media-stoked bigotry might manifest itself.
British academics, for example, could set up a blacklist of American colleagues who openly supported McCain. Since there are relatively few of these to start with, this could be managed by requiring American academics to sign a statement repudiating the McCain administration as a condition of further cooperation and acceptance, sort of a "disloyalty oath." This would mirror the British lefties' failed boycott of Israel while pretending to learn the lessons of that failure by allowing "good" Americans an escape. Other groups; the solidly trotskyist British air traffic controllers union, for instance; could adopt similar measures. British ATCs could pehaps vent their rage by harrassing or refusing to handle aircraft connected with known McCain supporters. In Spain, with its wildly arrogant left-wing activist judiciary, known McCain supporters might be arrested or refused admission on the grounds of "racism" or similar contrived PC charges.

Obama really is the biggest celebrity in the world. For many in the rest of the world, his candidacy is a kind of test for the American people, with our right to survive as an independent society hanging in the balance. If he is rejected, the rage and disappointment among the media-enslaved masses around the world will be without precedent. My speculations notwithstanding, the consequences may, in fact, be completely unpredictable. In any coming conflict pitting America against the media-world, we will have an advantage they are not capable of comprehending: We are ahead of them on the media learning curve.

477 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:57:12am

re: #471 vbspurs

Yes...I too was going to mention that he's donated to McCain's campaign before, but he's by no means a dyed-in-the-wool Republican like Jon Voigt.

Jon Voigt is wonderful!

He goes to the Chabad convention every year, I think.

He said a few months ago:

“There would be peace on Earth if all people would appreciate the Jewish people.”

It's true and I love it that he said this!

478 vbspurs  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 2:58:16am

re: #477 Adina in Judea

It's true and I love it that he said this!

I totally second what Mr. Voigt said!

479 laZardo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 3:00:10am

re: #477 Adina in Judea

There would be peace on earth if everyone submitted to the Great Zionist Conspiracy, and that's not the kind of "peace" THE PEOPEL want!

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480 vbspurs  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 3:04:01am

Night guys. :)

481 laZardo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 3:04:20am

re: #480 vbspurs

Night, spur.

482 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 3:04:32am

re: #476 shiplord kirel

Actually, European leaders weren't all that thrilled with what Obama was saying in his speeches in Europe last summer. They like him, but they didn't like his attitude towards them.

1. One of the EU leaders pointed out that Obama is the head of the Foreign Relations subcommittee for the EU and he's never asked to meet the EU ambassador.

2. A number of European nations were angry that Obama promised to try to get European nations more involved in the war in Afghanistan so that Americans could get a tax cut. This sounded (quite rightly) like the spreading of European wealth to American taxpayers while European soldiers would take the risks.

They like his Marxist/Socialist ideas, but they were not happy with him.

Obama says all sorts of wild things so they don't know yet who he is.

Many American voters should say: "Welcome to our world."

483 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 3:06:05am

re: #476 shiplord kirel

British boycott of American academics? BRING IT ON.

I think Obama should go run for office in France or Germany after he loses here. (From my lips to G-d's ears!) No racism there!

shiplord! :-)

484 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 3:06:18am

re: #479 laZardo

There would be peace on earth if everyone submitted to the Great Zionist Conspiracy, and that's not the kind of "peace" THE PEOPEL want!

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There has never been..nor will ever be...Peace on Earth..
It is so sad....But I don't think I'm near as disappointed with mankind as God.
He has got to be so sad with us. A heart with thorns pricking blood..
It's a sad world

485 songbird  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 3:08:36am

re: #484 HoosierHoops

There has never been..nor will ever be...Peace on Earth..
It is so sad....But I don't think I'm near as disappointed with mankind as God.
He has got to be so sad with us. A heart with thorns pricking blood..
It's a sad world

Totally agree. I really don't think peace in our time in this world is possible. The only real peace is heart peace.

486 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 3:09:50am

re: #484 HoosierHoops

It is so sad....But I don't think I'm near as disappointed with mankind as God.
He has got to be so sad with us. A heart with thorns pricking blood..

G-d lives outside of time so He's already seen it all.

He's known how the world would turn out since He created it.

In the end, G-d wins.

Meanwhile, we get free will and G-d sees some of us turn to Him with love. Everyone else will do so later. Everything will work out.

Patience! :)

487 laZardo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 3:10:25am

re: #484 HoosierHoops

Part of the reason my avatar describes the ideology it does is because I'm not as disappointed in "mankind" as I am with the so-called concepts of "justice" and "morality." But I'll save any discussion of that for the next Evolution Thread. [=

488 tappin52  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 3:12:31am

I just visited Zombie's blog and came away with more confidence that my assumptions about Obama are correct. I think that Obama was picked by the Ayers circle of friends as a presentable face for the public to further their agenda. Obama admittedly had a black identity problem and was trying to excise his white heritage, by his own admission. He was a malleable blank slate for Ayers, Dorhn and the crew to build into an acceptable vehicle. Follow Ayers' locations through the years, then follow Obama's. Thanks Zombie.

489 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 3:14:13am

re: #485 songbird

Totally agree. I really don't think peace in our time in this world is possible. The only real peace is heart peace.

{songbird}
You showing up is a breathe of fresh air...Life is good.how are you?
Big NFL party later today..Got a new dog..Can't sleep...Having fun...
How is school going?

490 songbird  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 3:18:40am

re: #489 HoosierHoops

{songbird}
You showing up is a breathe of fresh air...Life is good.how are you?
Big NFL party later today..Got a new dog..Can't sleep...Having fun...
How is school going?

Thank You! :-D I couldn't sleep either. School is doing ok. Our Concert a week before last Friday went really well. Now we start to prep for the "Holiday Concert". Gratefully, I can include both sacred and secular music. My 6th graders are the best group I have this year, and I'm composing another song for them to sing in the December concert.

491 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 3:18:46am

re: #488 tappin52

I think that Obama was picked by the Ayers circle of friends as a presentable face for the public to further their agenda. Obama admittedly had a black identity problem and was trying to excise his white heritage, by his own admission. He was a malleable blank slate for Ayers, Dorhn and the crew to build into an acceptable vehicle. Follow Ayers' locations through the years, then follow Obama's.

Another part of this scenario is the Edward Said connection at Columbia.

He's the one who invented the Palestinian people and created their history.

Jesse Jackson was right in pointing out that Obama intends to have an anti-Jew (oh, sorry, anti-Zionist) administration. Jesse Jackson knows Obama's circle.

492 legalpad  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 3:20:19am

re: #476 shiplord kirel

I have never seen a bigger case of "Emperor's New Clothes" Syndrome than this Obama thing. If you look at what he is, what he says, what he does, what he has done - he's just - nothing. He's not that smart, he's not that charismatic, he didn't do that well in the debates. He came off as knowing a tenth of what McCain knows.

You know, I truly say this objectively. I have told people all my life - "If I think you are right, I will join you." And I have done it. I have changed major belief systems more than once. This, to me, is "most probable hypothesis", "the best of my knowledge and belief." I am not afraid to change what I think.

Right now, I think Obama has just caught on like a style of an expression of some people to attempt to merge their emotional fantasies, some quite dark, with the real world as they see it.

There are 100 Democrats, easily, who would be far more qualified to be president than this guy. I just do not find him impressive, even as an adversary. There's just some kind of hysteria going on, with the people who have expressed their entire belief system in the past eight years in terms of what is wrong with George W. Bush. Obama-delusion is just an iteration of these sort of emotions.

493 tappin52  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 3:20:23am

re: #489 HoosierHoops

We recently got a new puppy, too. She's an American bulldog, built like a Grecco-Roman wrestler an strong as all get out. Sweet as pie, though.

494 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 3:23:56am

re: #486 Adina in Judea

G-d lives outside of time so He's already seen it all.

He's known how the world would turn out since He created it.

In the end, G-d wins.

Meanwhile, we get free will and G-d sees some of us turn to Him with love. Everyone else will do so later. Everything will work out.

Patience! :)

You are good people.. I read your stuff...

495 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 3:26:57am

re: #492 legalpad

I just do not find him impressive, even as an adversary. There's just some kind of hysteria going on, with the people who have expressed their entire belief system in the past eight years in terms of what is wrong with George W. Bush. Obama-delusion is just an iteration of these sort of emotions.

You're so right.

After Obama's convention speech, I saw some Obamabots online saying that he had "clinched" the Presidency with his speech. As if this were even possible (to clinch an entire election with one speech, especially a speech that had absolutely NO memorable lines in it.)

His fans are delusional.

As nothing as Obama is, I think he intends to become the most nightmarish Marxist President he can possibly be.

496 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 3:29:35am

re: #494 HoosierHoops

re: #486 Adina in Judea

G-d lives outside of time so He's already seen it all.

He's known how the world would turn out since He created it.

In the end, G-d wins.

Meanwhile, we get free will and G-d sees some of us turn to Him with love. Everyone else will do so later. Everything will work out.

Patience! :)

You are good people.. I read your stuff...

Thanks!

/Beaming! :)

497 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 3:29:35am

re: #490 songbird

Thank You! :-D I couldn't sleep either. School is doing ok. Our Concert a week before last Friday went really well. Now we start to prep for the "Holiday Concert". Gratefully, I can include both sacred and secular music. My 6th graders are the best group I have this year, and I'm composing another song for them to sing in the December concert.

Have you considered my idea of a review of Hustle&Flow? a 50 cent arrangement of 'It's hard out here for a pimp' after all, It did win a grammy..
The kids will love it...
LOL
/ I'm so glad everything is going good for you...

498 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 3:30:01am

re: #495 Adina in Judea

Obama's convention speech

/the one with the gigantic Hollywood plywood prop columns?

499 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 3:33:10am

re: #498 Killian Bundy

Yeah, the Mount Olympus columns meant to mark Obambi's promotion to a deity.

500 songbird  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 3:34:58am

re: #497 HoosierHoops

Have you considered my idea of a review of Hustle&Flow? a 50 cent arrangement of 'It's hard out here for a pimp' after all, It did win a grammy..
The kids will love it...
LOL
/ I'm so glad everything is going good for you...

HAHAHA! I'm not ready to lose my job yet!

Of course the kids will love it! We also have the girls wearing the "I kissed a girl and I liked it" shirts here.......7th graders! *sigh*

501 legalpad  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 3:35:53am

re: #495 Adina in Judea

As nothing as Obama is, I think he intends to become the most nightmarish Marxist President he can possibly be.

Sure. Look at most dictators in history. There's something "hollow" about them. There are always those who praise them and claim they are normal, but not only are they wrong, but they are not normal either.

In Bush Derangement Syndrome, they think asserting something negative about Bush is all they need to say to get people to hand them the reins of power. They don't have to say what sort of solution they have. They don't have to say what they are all about. They think if they say "Bush Lied", then everyone will know what their plans for running the country are. That this is the expression of their entire political philosophy.

502 Crusty  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 3:38:39am

re: #58 JohnAdams

True. The fact that Ayers is not in jail, but is in fact "educating" our youth is the real troubling idea. Our country's colleges are full of professors who think likewise. Makes me think seriously about sending my $150 K to put my kid through college.

Ayers isn't the only deranged psycho teaching in college. California State University, Long Beach appointed Kwanzaa founder Ron Karenga as its chairman of the black studies department. They hired him despite the fact that he was convicted for torture and false imprisonment of two women over a two-day period in 1971.

503 songbird  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 3:39:08am

The eyes are getting blurry again. I'm going back to bed.

Good Night/Good morning everyone!

504 Tamron  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 3:41:35am

re: #388 HelloDare

A lot of this talk of the Bradley Effect is just the liberals fanning the embers of perceived racism.


The Bradley Effect. Right. What so-called 'rascism' excuse would the Cult-of-Obama followers have thrown out there, if he were to lose the race in a landslide to someone like Colin Powell? So far, Barack Hussein Obama has been running a carefully fabricated beauty contest which is blended with a shabby copy of a religious revival, instead of participating in a genuine proven leadership contest based upon his patriotism and executive skills.

If this phony charlatan had instead been made to first pass a citizenship test and standard background check and THEN participate in a true leadership contest which tested his true and proven executive leadership skills, then his standing in the polls would be down around his ankles. I think deep down he knows it, one small indicator being his nervous irrelevant snickering/sneering during the debate when his integrity was put on the line. Nobody home, behind all that Bozo the Slick Clown makeup.

Obama truly would not even qualify to be a White House janitor. He wouldn't get the job because he is such a serious security risk. People with his sleazy undocumented and unproven background, either black or white, aren't allowed access to any kind of sensitive job, and it's NOT racism, dammit!

Commander in Chief? Have we gone mad, even THINKING of putting a SECURITY RISK in CHARGE of the FBI, Homeland Security, Military, NSA, CIA, and so on?

Security-checking professionals in the FBI, Secret Service, etc. need to explain to the general public, what the overall rules are for dishing out general background checks for Confidential, Secret, Top Secret etc. clearances. They've done background checks literally millions upon millions of times, and when someone fails a background check it's for a damn good reason. He/she is some kind of a risk to the future wellbeing of the country, plain and simple.

We need to find out whose ass should be on the line because they dropped the ball by not vetting Mr. Barack Hussein Obama for the office of President of the United States of America.

We don't have a lot of time to get this sorted out and plug the leak. Thanks partly to GWB, all of the Executive Orders are currently in place which could make America's state of Martial Law look like a Russian gulag in the late 1930's, once Obama gets in office and any sort of convenient serious crisis forces him to clamp down on Freedom as we know it. At that time it's a certainty that 'President' Obama would have all kinds of squirrelly ACORN-style advisers telling him what to do. His friends are indeed his friends, and -- from his viewpoint -- why should he bother to pay attention to strangers, especially those who have irritated him in the past by insisting that he salute the flag and so forth?

Furthermore, if the proven Muslim terrorist Gaddafi, leader of Libya, is as much of a friend and brother of Obama as he claims to be in THIS VIDEO, it wouldn't be hard for billionnaire Gaddafi to help fabricate a very real crisis, if nothing more than a test of the fresh new President. What would he have to lose? He's got a lot of experience along that line (the Olympics murders, the airliner over Scotland, etc.), and he also has the means and the incentive to sabotage the USA if possible. His speeches are full of rhetoric along that line, and he's not the only one.

We do indeed live in interesting times, folks. This is no time to just sit back and see what happens.
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505 laZardo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 3:42:16am

re: #502 Crusty

It wasn't "torture!" They just said that because it happened after the Sexual Revolution of the 60s!

/

506 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 3:45:23am

re: #501 legalpad

In Bush Derangement Syndrome, they think asserting something negative about Bush is all they need to say to get people to hand them the reins of power.

You know, I think we (conservatives) should have defended Bush more.

Four years ago, we were defending him from the liberals, but then he did some spending and some other things that didn't go along with what we (as conservatives) wanted him to do - so a portion of the "unfavorable" rating has been coming from us.

Liberals see all this as a rejection of conservatism (and I've seen liberals claim that conservatives wish we had voted for Kerry instead of Bush.) How insane is that?!?

Over half of the country identifies as conservative yet the liberals think that radically left people like Bill Ayers (and Obama) represent the prevailing political ideology of American voters. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

84% of Americans do NOT want a redistribution of wealth (according to a recent Gallup poll.) The liberals think 95% of the country wants it.

Bush stood up to all the BDS abuse all this time (sometimes alone.)

I think maybe we should reconsider how we support Republican leaders if they aren't quite as conservative as we wish they were. It ends up hurting us all if we don't help them enough.

507 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 3:47:12am

re: #500 songbird

HAHAHA! I'm not ready to lose my job yet!

Of course the kids will love it! We also have the girls wearing the "I kissed a girl and I liked it" shirts here.......7th graders! *sigh*

HAHA...We have 3 boys and 2 girls..
With my daughters it was..Boys.boys.boys .boys.boys.boys..24/7 when they were teens it was all about boys. Now one is married and the other is at UC Davis..Boys.Boys..Boys..
If Nikki came home with a tee-shirt like that.. I'd laugh my ass off..boys.boys..etc.. She has been dating a pilot in the Air force at Travis Air Force base in Fairfield, Ca.
She told us the other day she is breaking up with him..I asked why..cause he is always flying around the world and is never here..
Boys..boys..boys..
that's my daughter

508 Tamron  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 3:47:34am

re: #408 Killian Bundy

That's impressive and exactly the opposite of my experience.

/the drill is that I search high and low for Kitten Bill's coveted laser ball. put it back where it belongs and a minute later it's another laser ball treasure hunt, without a clue if I'm not watching him


Here is just about the best cat story I've ever seen: Handicapped little fluff ball chases a burglar out of the house.
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509 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 3:50:49am

re: #507 HoosierHoops

With my daughters it was..Boys.boys.boys .boys.boys.boys..24/7 when they were teens it was all about boys.

When one of my aunts was a kid, she belonged (in 7th grade) to a subgroup in Home Ec class called the "SPCB."

"The Society to Prevent Cruelty to Boys"

They held their meetings in Home Ec class.

I'm not sure how they intended to save boys from cruelty, but they certainly gave it a lot of thought along the way, apparently. :)

510 eon  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 3:55:35am

re: #501 legalpad

Sure. Look at most dictators in history. There's something "hollow" about them. There are always those who praise them and claim they are normal, but not only are they wrong, but they are not normal either.

In Bush Derangement Syndrome, they think asserting something negative about Bush is all they need to say to get people to hand them the reins of power. They don't have to say what sort of solution they have. They don't have to say what they are all about. They think if they say "Bush Lied", then everyone will know what their plans for running the country are. That this is the expression of their entire political philosophy.

Morning, Lizards.

This is the hallmark of demagogues. They claim to have "new ideas", but rarely actually do. If they have any ideas at all, they tend to be old ones, as they tend to be "romantics" as the experts say, who dream of perfect worlds which only they can create. Once they have absolute power, of course.

I just finished reading Night of the Long Knives by Nikolai Tolstoy, about the SS elimination of the SA in Germany in 1934. What makes it interesting in this context is that in campaigning for Chancellor, Hitler campaigned against the "incompetence" of his immediate predecessors and their bureaucrats, and especially directed his ire against the sitting Chancellor, Von Papen, whom he called an idiot.

But after being elected Chancellor himself, he kept most of the existing cabinet on, including Von Papen (demoted to Interior Minister), because neither Hitler nor any of his cronies had the slightest idea how to actually run a country, especially not an industrialized one like Germany. Their talk about "the people" was just that- talk. All they really knew was how to seize power by the threat of force. (Sound familiar?)

If a potential leader will not tell you what he intends to do, but instead just rails against his predecessors, either he doesn't want you to know what he really has in mind or doesn't have any actual ideas himself. If he paints grand word-pictures of plans that have no chance of being fulfilled, he is either lying, delusional, or both.

All of the above should be red flags to a rational person. Telling them, "Don't trust this guy."

cheers

eon

511 Tamron  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 3:58:42am

re: #502 Crusty

Ayers isn't the only deranged psycho teaching in college. California State University, Long Beach appointed Kwanzaa founder Ron Karenga as its chairman of the black studies department. They hired him despite the fact that he was convicted for torture and false imprisonment of two women over a two-day period in 1971.


What about William Ayers' alleged gang-rape of girlfriend Donna Ron, in the 1960's? That qualifies him for equal time in this discussion...
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512 eon  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 4:04:54am

re: #511 Tamron

What about William Ayers' alleged gang-rape of girlfriend Donna Ron, in the 1960's? That qualifies him for equal time in this discussion...
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Most would-be devotees of Ayers' philosophy forget that the phrase "unhesitating use of revolutionary terror" applies to them as well as the "bourgeoisie", especially if they do something that pisses off the vozhd.

/Or just make the mistake of saying "no"- revolutionary True Great Leaders never take "no" for an answer on any subject

cheers

eon

513 legalpad  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 4:06:42am

re: #506 Adina in Judea

I think maybe we should reconsider how we support Republican leaders if they aren't quite as conservative as we wish they were. It ends up hurting us all if we don't help them enough.

I think "how" is the key word, of course. In Bush's case he seems to compromise with the people we voted against. I think, "Hey, if we wanted that policy we would have voted for the other guy!" The other guy never makes significant compromises with him. And some of these compromises are intolerable destructive. Case(s) in point: Embedded media in Iraq. A significant percentage of these people get in the way, and almost appear to be rooting for the other side. Our troops have to look over their shoulder and wonder if the media is going to misconstrue or misreport, and it could cause a deadly lack of focus in our soldiers on the job at hand. Sure they endure it, but the factor is there. How many men are dead because of it? How do the overall efforts of the media affect the war effort? I think they have prolonged it by undermining us and encouraging the enemy to persist.

And the immigration thing: Special advantages for a special interest group who will water down the middle class vote to the point of ineffectiveness because of the masses of the desperate and the ignorant who vote as they are told. Other hopeful immigrants are also cheated. And yet their only defense to this nonsense is "You're a racist!" Then you know they are conning you.

Why do we have to work with them anyway? Because every damn election the Democrats come up with a candidate crazier than the last one!

Ah well - it goes on.

514 capefear  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 4:07:37am

To Charles and the angry Lizards,

I will probably post this more than once. I'm doing this now and not waiting for a new thread because I'm impatient and after having researched this stuff I want to get as many of my points out there now as I can.

I hope those posting to me the other night will see this. You can read the latest humanest Manifesto here [Link: www.iheu.org...] The first one was written in 1933, the one I formerly read was the second from 1947. Of particular interest to those on this site would be their plan of "Global Governance", a "Planetary Bill of Rights" and "converting the UN to a Bicameral World Parliament". To me this is very scary stuff and should be to all you who claim to be ordinary American Joes, who don't want to be governed by the United Nations.

I have read the Wedge document, not Wikipedia's idea of the Discovery Institute. It appears to me that their document appears is a response to the Humanest Manifestos. I read that they want to have ID accepted in science and in society. I see that they have highly acredited and highly educated men in their organization. There may be some on this site who have credentials to compare, but I doubt very much the ones hurling the worst invectives the other night have these kind of credentials. I saw no language stating that they want to "teach religion" in school. Just intelligent Design. They definitely do however have an agenda, but I did not see that teaching religion in school as one of them.

I repeat if someone can show me from the document itself, paragraph and line where that is stated, I will quickly concede my mistake and agree that it would be frightening to me to have someone other than parents teaching their children religion. However, I would also feel that their main objectives are as stated anyway, incredibly less threatening than the ones I read in the Humanest Manifesto.

I have other questions and want to get as many of them out here now as I have time for. To those attacking me. You objection does not only appear to be the Discovery Institute and their agenda. Your seem to be irate at people who you perceive to be attacking science.

If the Christians and orthodox Jews on this site worship the God of the Bible and don't cut and paste the parts they agree with like Thomas Jefferson, then they hold to a lot of beliefs that run counter to scientific evidence. The parting of Red Sea and the resurrection are just a few. Do you feel they are "stupid fools for holding these to be true as well?

Lastly, why do you feel that the idea that we evolved from a once inanimate cell, produced by a big bang that came out of nowhere, just on the face of it, is more reasonable than belief in a creator?

Like I said I will probably copy and paste this again if I get no responses from the people who I was discussing this with the other night and I apologize if it's not written well. I'm no writer and I'm doing this in a hurry. I will use the spell check but as you know that doesn't correct all errors. I'm not asking this stuff sarcastically, I really want your thoughts but not your venom, please. Thank You.

515 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 4:07:42am

Knoxville's Joe the Plumber doubts Obama, too

Joe the Plumber, of Knoxville, that is, says he's less concerned about whether he gets a tax break if his customers still can't afford to hire him.

Still, Joe Shanks, a licensed master plumber and owner of Joe's Plumbing Service in the Cedar Bluff area, has followed the presidential campaigns the same as his much-quoted counterpart in Toledo, Ohio, who questioned Democratic Sen. Barack Obama over his proposed tax hike for those who make more than $250,000 a year.

Shanks said his business, which he jointly runs with his wife, Catherine, doesn't earn the couple nearly that much income.

Especially lately, with business at about half what he usually handles, thanks to a flailing national economy that has left would-be customers skittish about hiring him.

"I can't make money right now," explained Shanks, who's been in business for 25 years. "I've had to lower my prices just to get the job. I'm going for that cheap dollar - I have to."

Shanks, an independent voter, said he's supporting Republican Sen. John McCain, citing the official's career experience in office as the deciding factor for him.

"I'd just feel more comfortable, confident and safe with McCain," the plumber said. "McCain's been there. Obama's just not that experienced."

Shanks likened the decision to a homeowner in need of a plumber - would you hire the guy who just got his trade license, he asked, or a seasoned professional?

516 legalpad  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 4:09:33am

re: #510 eon

Their talk about "the people" was just that- talk. All they really knew was how to seize power by the threat of force. (Sound familiar?)

If a potential leader will not tell you what he intends to do, but instead just rails against his predecessors, either he doesn't want you to know what he really has in mind or doesn't have any actual ideas himself. If he paints grand word-pictures of plans that have no chance of being fulfilled, he is either lying, delusional, or both.

Nailed it.

517 Tamron  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 4:11:21am

re: #512 eon

Most would-be devotees of Ayers' philosophy forget that the phrase "unhesitating use of revolutionary terror" applies to them as well as the "bourgeoisie", especially if they do something that pisses off the vozhd.

/Or just make the mistake of saying "no"- revolutionary True Great Leaders never take "no" for an answer on any subject

cheers

eon


Well put, and excellent observational powers. I hadn't quite put that together, but it explains more than ever. In a sense, Charles Manson wasn't much different, he just got caught?
.

518 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 4:11:53am

re: #513 legalpad

re: #506 Adina in Judea

I think maybe we should reconsider how we support Republican leaders if they aren't quite as conservative as we wish they were. It ends up hurting us all if we don't help them enough.

I think "how" is the key word, of course. In Bush's case he seems to compromise with the people we voted against. I think, "Hey, if we wanted that policy we would have voted for the other guy!" The other guy never makes significant compromises with him. And some of these compromises are intolerable destructive.

They hated him all the more while he was compromising, too.

There's no easy answer, but I think we're in a situation where we can't let the Democrats say things all the time without kicking them in the teeth for their most deranged accusations (at the very least.)

519 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 4:12:50am

re: #514 capefear

[Phillip] Johnson calls his movement "The Wedge." The objective, he said, is to convince people that Darwinism is inherently atheistic, thus shifting the debate from creationism vs. evolution to the existence of God vs. the non-existence of God. From there people are introduced to "the truth" of the Bible and then "the question of sin" and finally "introduced to Jesus."

[Link: findarticles.com...]

What part of this is unclear to you? It comes from their very mouths they want to proselytize.

520 legalpad  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 4:14:22am

re: #518 Adina in Judea

Yep.

521 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 4:16:07am

re: #515 Adina in Judea

Shanks likened the decision to a homeowner in need of a plumber - would you hire the guy who just got his trade license, he asked, or a seasoned professional?



Good lord!
Who told this guy he was allowed to use common sense and good judgment when choosing who to vote for!?

522 eon  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 4:23:48am

re: #517 Tamron

Well put, and excellent observational powers. I hadn't quite put that together, but it explains more than ever. In a sense, Charles Manson wasn't much different, he just got caught?
.

Thanks, to you and legalpad both :-)

More exactly, Manson got caught because his minions made the same basic mistakes most criminals do, especially in leaving usable evidence behind (Tex Watkins' .22 revolver, etc.) His control techniques were actually fairly classic, relying on isolation, ideological indoctrination, peer pressure, and of course drugs and sex. In this respect, there's little difference between Manson and Ayers. Or for that matter between Manson and Alastair Crowley of the original Ordo Temple Orientale, which was where Manson got a good deal of his "inspiration" from.

Myself, I was rather irritated to see that a recent "impeach BusHitler now" book was written by Vincent Bugliosi, the prosecutor who put Manson away in 1971. Apparently, even supposedly rational people are not invulnerable to delusional thought-patterns if they are exposed to them long enough without letup.

/Or he may just have written it for a fast paycheck, like John Grisham pounds out "legal thrillers"

cheers

eon

523 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 4:25:31am

re: #521 littleoldlady


Good lord!
Who told this guy he was allowed to use common sense and good judgment when choosing who to vote for!?

I think it's racist.

524 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 4:27:46am

re: #514 capefear

If the Christians and orthodox Jews on this site worship the God of the Bible and don't cut and paste the parts they agree with like Thomas Jefferson, then they hold to a lot of beliefs that run counter to scientific evidence. The parting of Red Sea and the resurrection are just a few. Do you feel they are "stupid fools for holding these to be true as well?

Um, I wasn't involved in your discussion and I don't want to attack you - but it is very much accepted in Orthodox Jewish circles in general that the Jewish Bible and science don't contradict each other.

The Five Books of Moses (The Torah) isn't a history book or a science book. It is also not a law book. It's a teaching book. It's a Human Being Handbook (i.e., an instruction manual for being a person.)

Although Orthodox Jews absolutely believe that the source of the Torah is Divine - it doesn't mean that the contents are meant to be regarded as a historical or scientific text book.

By the way, the parting of the Red Sea has been shown to be scientifically possible (although not in the way that Charleton Heston parted it in the movie.)

-----------------

Again, I'm not trying to argue with you, but I want to explain why Orthodox Jews think that G-d described the creation of the universe.

One of the sages explained that G-d wanted to establish His authority for giving the Jewish people a certain land. He made everything. Thus, He could give the land to whomever He wanted.

The descriptions of the creation of the universe are true, but most likely spread over roughly 15 billion years. The Hebrew Calendar (in the current year 5769 that just started) is the time since the last day of creation, not the first.

The Hebrew Calendar (5769) starts on the 6th day when people were given souls. Even this day is a long day since Adam and Eve were banished from the Garden of Eden on the 6th day of creation, too.

I think you get the point. Orthodox Jews in general don't see a contradiction between the Jewish Bible and science. The lovely description of Creation is illuminating and inspiring and creates awe, but it doesn't mean that it was all done in 6 days that were each 24 hours long (as we know "hours.")

525 laZardo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 4:27:49am

Back from dinner...what'd I miss?

526 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 4:30:32am

Man, I really hate when the creationism argument shows up on an overnight open thread. :-(

/is there no place sacred?!

Good day, ALL!™

527 eon  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 4:31:56am

re: #526 littleoldlady

Man, I really hate when the creationism argument shows up on an overnight open thread. :-(

/is there no place sacred?!

Good day, ALL!™

Good Morning, littleoldlady! :-)

cheers

eon

528 Austrian Capitalist  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 4:32:47am

I AM JOE! Is this the right thread?

529 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 4:33:07am

Ooops, sorry!

530 eon  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 4:34:43am

re: #528 Austrian Capitalist

I AM JOE! Is this the right thread?

I am th' Toad.

/oh, wait, that's Bill Griffith's line

cheers

eon

531 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 4:36:17am

re: #528 Austrian Capitalist

I AM JOE! Is this the right thread?

I am Joe the plumbers helper.

532 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 4:38:12am

re: #531 HoosierHoops

re: #528 Austrian Capitalist

I AM JOE! Is this the right thread?

I am Joe the plumbers helper.

Plunge right into the conversation. ;)

533 Austrian Capitalist  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 4:40:31am

I loved Iowahawks' article yesterday. I forwarded it.

534 eon  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 4:41:05am

re: #532 Adina in Judea

Plunge right into the conversation. ;)

I'm a little flushed this morning.

cheers

eon

535 golly_wog  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 4:41:57am

re: #514 capefear

know that doesn't correct all errors. I'm not asking this stuff sarcastically, I really want your thoughts but not your venom, please. Thank You.

Okay, I'll bite. I believe in ID, but that is a feeling of mine arrived at through a lot of thought. I cannot prove squat, and don't feel the need to. I'll talk about it if someone asks, but I don't proselytize and would feel uneasy doing so since it is the result of a personal journey, and feel that each person is capable of making the same journey without direction. I have no need to lead you to the light.
Science is teachable, provable, laboratory , mathematics stuff. ID is feelings. How you feel about something is philosophy and that is a different department, different building, in fact, that is the only thing concrete about it, the building. Was that a double pun? The Wedge is under the wrong door.

536 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 4:42:43am

re: #533 Austrian Capitalist

I loved Iowahawks' article yesterday. I forwarded it.

Iowa is really a genius.. I often read his stuff and go..I wish I would have thought of that..pisses me off.. :)

537 scottishbuzzsaw  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 4:45:10am

Rachel Lucas went LotR in response to despair...great stuff:

[Link: www.rachellucas.com...]

Good morning, Lizard Clan...hey, Hoops, where's the coffee?

538 legalpad  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 4:46:19am

re: #514 capefear

I don't know about these manifestos and all that. Somebody has been working on a world government for a long time. I have a copy of a proposed world constitution that dates back to 1971. There will always be people trying to enslave others in the trickiest way they can so they can sit on their ass. In the natural world they are mostly called parasites. We just have to fight it. It's part of survival like finding water or like, well, finding and killing parasites.

As for Jefferson: There are those who had excellent ideas in the past that we agree with and use. It does not mean that everything they thought about everything was correct and could not possibly be added to. Issac Newton seemed to have some peculiar ideas about religion, but some very good ones about math and physics. Einstein never accepted quantum theory which seems to be correct. One excellent Physicist noted when asked why a smart man like Einstein would be wrong: "Nature does not care how smart you are." We simply do not depend on one individual to tell us what to think about everything, or even a small group.

Simple things about evolution:
1. How do we know there is a conflict between the idea of God and the idea of evolution?
2. It's not only an issue of interpreting The Bible; but also applying it, specifically in terms of how it applies to the physical universe. How rigid and specific was The Bible getting about things which had no direct bearing on ethics, morals, and how man is to conduct himself?

One more:

Lastly, why do you feel that the idea that we evolved from a once inanimate cell, produced by a big bang that came out of nowhere, just on the face of it, is more reasonable than belief in a creator?

The cell was never inanimate.

We do not know where any Big Bang came from, and we have not addressed the existence and nature of "nowhere".

As Sharmuta in #519 has indicated, it has not been established that the idea of a creator conflicts with the concept of evolution. Nor, for that matter, with the idea of a big bang.

I may add that it can not be assumed that we adequately know the nature of a creator to even estimate what it may be in conflict with.

539 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 4:48:02am

re: #537 scottishbuzzsaw

Rachel Lucas went LotR in response to despair...great stuff:

[Link: www.rachellucas.com...]

Good morning, Lizard Clan...hey, Hoops, where's the coffee?

Hiya.. I woke up at 4am cause my new doogie..winston wanted to go out..
Now he is asleep..I'm blogging..It's a dogs life..
I'm soooo sleeeppppyyyy...

540 Austrian Capitalist  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 4:48:07am

re: #536 HoosierHoops

Iowa is really a genius.. I often read his stuff and go..I wish I would have thought of that..pisses me off.. :)

He should "spread the wealth" of his humor.

541 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 4:48:27am
WASHINGTON -- Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama reports raising more than $150 million in September in an unprecedented eruption of political giving.

The influx of money has helped the Illinois senator expand the field of competitive states and has widened his financial advantage over Republican rival John McCain.

The monthly figure pushed Obama's total fundraising to $605 million, unseen before in presidential politics. The campaign offered no details, but must submit a monthly report to the Federal Election Commission on Monday.

There's something very fishy about this, especially since Obama's donation website doesn't screen out foreign (illegal) donations.

This is looking more and more like a coup attempt.

Obama Raises Stunning $150M in September

542 scottishbuzzsaw  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 4:52:37am

re: #539 HoosierHoops

Hiya.. I woke up at 4am cause my new doogie..winston wanted to go out..
Now he is asleep..I'm blogging..It's a dogs life..
I'm soooo sleeeppppyyyy...

Poor Hoops! Why don't you have some of my Gevalia traditional roast...either that, or go back to bed. (What kind of dog is Winston?)

543 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 4:52:48am

re: #541 Adina in Judea

There's something very fishy about this, especially since Obama's donation website doesn't screen out foreign (illegal) donations.

This is looking more and more like a coup attempt.

Obama Raises Stunning $150M in September

What's he gonna' do with all that money 11/5? Hold a big consolation party?

544 laZardo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 4:53:52am

re: #543 MandyManners

Use it to begin helping those disadvantaged and disenfranchised by the fiasco that was the Bush Economic Policy before he's even inaugurated!

/

545 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 4:54:51am

re: #544 laZardo

He's not gonna' win.

546 scottishbuzzsaw  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 4:55:30am

re: #541 Adina in Judea

This is looking more and more like a coup attempt.

It certainly does have that feel to it...

547 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 4:56:55am

re: #543 MandyManners

What's he gonna' do with all that money 11/5?

He'll probably launch his own satellite into space.

He's got to think of some use for it that serves his ego.

Perhaps he could launch a satellite around Jupiter.

548 sparrowlake  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 4:58:51am

McCain/Palin Move In For The Kill


Released: October 19, 2008
Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby Poll: Obama 47.8%, McCain 45.1%
McCain slowly gains on Obama

UTICA, New York - Republican John McCain continued a slow advance on Democrat Barack Obama in the race for President, moving back within three percentage points as the race begins to head down the stretch run, the latest Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby daily tracking poll shows.
Data from this poll is available here

McCain now trails Obama by 2.7 points, down from the 3.9 point deficit he faced 24 hours earlier.
Seven-point-one percent of the likely voters surveyed said they remain undecided.

Obama lost five-tenths of a point from yesterday's report, while McCain gained another six-tenths of a point. It was the third consecutive day in which Obama's numbers slipped and McCain's numbers increased.

McCain has once again moved above 45% support overall, a mark he has not seen since the second day of daily tracking reports. Obama's slip under 48% support is the first time at that level in nearly a week. He now stands within one-tenth of a percent of where he stood when the Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby daily tracking began almost two weeks ago. McCain is within two-tenths of a percent of where he was when the tracking poll began.

During the 13 days of the tracking poll, Obama has led by as much as 6.2 points and as little as 1.9 points.

Except for a few hours of polling, this three-day rolling average of telephone polling now includes a sample taken entirely after the final presidential debate last Wednesday.

The tracking poll includes 1,211 likely voters across the country who were surveyed between Oct. 16-18, 2008, at the rate of about 400 per day. The survey, conducted using live telephone interviewers calling from Zogby's call center in Upstate New York, carries a margin of error of +/- 2.9 percentage points.

549 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 4:59:31am

re: #546 scottishbuzzsaw

It certainly does have that feel to it...

Wait. Does he not have to return it?

550 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 4:59:42am

Joe's in da house.

551 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:01:26am

re: #549 MandyManners

re: #546 scottishbuzzsaw

It certainly does have that feel to it...

Wait. Does he not have to return it?

No, he doesn't.

He can't use it personally, but he can do any other legal thing with it.

552 eon  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:04:41am

re: #537 scottishbuzzsaw

Rachel Lucas went LotR in response to despair...great stuff:

[Link: www.rachellucas.com...]

Good morning, Lizard Clan...hey, Hoops, where's the coffee?

Morning, scottish.

She put it well. Anybody in the military knows that the battle isn't over until you're dead. That's why you have a GOTH (GO To Hell) plan, aka the "We're goin' to Valhalla but we're takin' these bastards along for an honor guard" plan.

My favorite quote from Tolkien, however, was Theoden before Pelennor Fields;

Arise, arise, riders of Theoden!
Fell deeds awake; fire and slaughter!
spear shall be shaken, shield be splintered,
a sword-day, a red day, ere the sun rises!
Ride now, ride now! Ride to Gondor!

Shouted by a guy on a horse the size of a Clydesdale, backed up by a couple of thousand more like him, guaranteed to make the OPFOR piss their collective pants.

cheers

eon

553 capefear  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:06:31am

To those have responded, Thank you and thank you for not giving me a sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach while reading you posts.

I'm posting while getting ready to go to church (-:, so very rushed here.

First to Sharm, I do understand they want to proselytize, but see no evidence they want to do teach anything but ID in the schools. All Christians who follow Christ's teaching what to convert people, they are commanded to. I hope you read the Humanest Manifesto link. If you like this site and agree with most people here it should send chills down your spine. Thanks again for you response.

To Adina, If you weren't involved in the discussion the other night, I believe I mentioned that neither do I insist on 24 days in regard to creation. I see nothing in what I read about what they want to teach in Texas even coming close to the Genesis account of creation. From what I read they just what a hearing for the idea of ID.

To Golly, The point I would like to make to you is that there are many scientists, not just religious ones, I don't have the time to find the names right now, but have read articles about them, who do use mathematics and laboratories and believe there is evidence of a designer. I don't have that kind a knowledge, maybe you do, but if you don't how can you be dogmatic about the fact that ID is not scientific if you haven't looked into what they have found.

I probably won't be able to respond for a while, but I do appreciate your responses particularly the tone of them

554 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:06:39am

re: #551 Adina in Judea

No, he doesn't.

He can't use it personally, but he can do any other legal thing with it.

Fund ACORN? Pubic Allies?

555 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:07:05am

Public.

556 laZardo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:08:02am

re: #545 MandyManners

I reserve my right to remain faithful to Murphyism right now. >_>

557 eon  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:08:22am

re: #555 MandyManners

Public.

Actually, you may have been correct the first time.

/ducks

cheers

eon

558 Austrian Capitalist  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:10:06am

re: #548 sparrowlake

The polls are an average, skewed in favor of the big cities. Obama can win the popular vote, as did John Kerry. However, the state votes are what matter. Founding Fathers...you magnificent bastards!

559 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:11:19am

re: #554 MandyManners

Fund ACORN?

ACORN has a non-profit and non-political (ho ho ho) status, so they might be prevented by law from taking this money.

He could invest in All Obama All the Time TV networks.


I think people need to look very, very closely at the source of these donations.

560 sparrowlake  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:13:54am

CNN is, with the aid of their delusional John King and his fanciful electoral maps, projecting victory for Obama.
They have mysteriously stopped reporting on the Daily Zogby Poll which now shows McCain has pulled to within 2.7% which is inside the 2.9% margin of error!
Does their journalistic dishonesty have no limits?

561 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:14:40am

Obama may end up a billionaire before all this is over.

Oprah would probably appreciate some company up there.

/Disgusted beyond belief.

562 akak  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:15:57am

re: #559 Adina in Judea

ACORN has a non-profit and non-political (ho ho ho) status, so they might be prevented by law from taking this money.

He could invest in All Obama All the Time TV networks.


I think people need to look very, very closely at the source of these donations.

Did ACORN give McCain 20k? If so he really should give it back.

563 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:16:51am

re: #557 eon

Actually, you may have been correct the first time.

/ducks

cheers

eon

HA!

564 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:17:08am

re: #560 sparrowlake

CNN is, with the aid of their delusional John King and his fanciful electoral maps, projecting victory for Obama.

Do they have a big check mark next to his name?

I remember one of the Democratic primaries had a "Projected Winner with 0% of the Precincts Reporting."

Do these guys even intend to cover the election?

The American people will be all alone on Election Day (all 300 million.)

565 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:17:46am

re: #559 Adina in Judea

ACORN has a non-profit and non-political (ho ho ho) status, so they might be prevented by law from taking this money.

He could invest in All Obama All the Time TV networks.


I think people need to look very, very closely at the source of these donations.

What about his giving ACORN $800,000.00 during the primaries?

566 eon  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:18:03am

re: #559 Adina in Judea

ACORN has a non-profit and non-political (ho ho ho) status, so they might be prevented by law from taking this money.

He could invest in All Obama All the Time TV networks.


I think people need to look very, very closely at the source of these donations.

I wonder how many came from overseas accounts with George Soros' name on them.

Keep in mind, you're dealing with a "businessman" whose role' model was apparently Ernst Stavro Blofeld.

/He thought Auric Goldfinger lacked a sufficiently broad, sweeping vision

cheers

eon

567 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:18:37am

re: #562 akak

Did ACORN give McCain 20k? If so he really should give it back.

Are you thinking of FM/FM?

568 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:18:39am

re: #562 akak

Did ACORN give McCain 20k? If so he really should give it back.

Do the hundreds of thousands of dollars that ACORN gave to Dodd, Obama, and Kerry concern you, too?

569 legalpad  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:19:10am

re: #553 capefear

Well, Cape -feel free to comment on my #538 when you get back.

Also:

there are many scientists, not just religious ones, I don't have the time to find the names right now, but have read articles about them, who do use mathematics and laboratories and believe there is evidence of a designer

Yes there are. You don't have to prove it. But they, and the scientists that believe that the evidence proves there is no God, never specify what the nature of this creator or God is. They assume a certain, I think, limited, definition, then proceed with their proofs and disproofs from there.

The thing is any of us can use any metaphor or symbolism for God that we want and it represents something, we just don't know exactly what, aside from our values. Where we get those values and what else in existence makes them matter we don't necessarily need to know.

570 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:19:53am

re: #567 MandyManners

You're right - it was FM/FM that gave hundreds of thousands of dollars to Dodd, Obama, and Kerry, too.

571 jorline  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:20:21am

Another view...
Obama raises record $150 million in September

In a video to supporters, Obama campaign manager David Plouffe said a record 632,000 new donors gave to the campaign, with the average contribution under $100. More than 3 million donors have given so far.

Regardless of the stunning haul, Plouffe told supporters the campaign still needed more money because "of the slime that we're getting from the McCain campaign." Plouffe cited recent attack ads and robo calls in battleground states and said the campaign needed to have every resource to "fight back."

"We can't afford to make any cuts. We have to execute everything we think is required to win," Plouffe said of their battleground strategy. "None of us can look back on the night of November 4 or the morning of November 5 and wished we had done something extra."

This is the mind set of the Obama campaign and this will be the mind set of their administration.
Instead of request and spend during the election...it will clearly be a tax and spend during their administration.

Obama will take and spend all day long...wake up America! A leopard can't change it's spots.

We've always been told by the left that the Republican's are the wealthy party...Democrats are the lowly poor party...WTF

I want to see that money trail.

572 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:21:51am

re: #568 Adina in Judea

Do the hundreds of thousands of dollars that ACORN gave to Dodd, Obama, and Kerry concern you, too?

ACORN funds candidates?

573 akak  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:22:08am

re: #568 Adina in Judea

Do the hundreds of thousands of dollars that ACORN gave to Dodd, Obama, and Kerry concern you, too?


No clearly they are a left wing organization, tax status is due for an audit - for sure.

574 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:23:16am

If Obama is going to use half a billion dollars in this, then I think Rev Wright should be back on the table.

If every last little thing needs to be done, Rev Wright is a huge thing.

If McCain and the RNC won't do this, then I hope some 527s will.

P.S. The Republican "robocalls" are brilliant. They're going all over!

575 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:23:31am

re: #568 Adina in Judea

Do the hundreds of thousands of dollars that ACORN gave to Dodd, Obama, and Kerry concern you, too?

BHO gave money to ACORN, not the other way around.

576 JacksonTn  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:23:39am

Good Morning Lizards .......... did Senator Government quit yet? .....(wishing) ........can anyone tell me why a union member would vote for dems when they want to take away secret ballots for union votes? .........I do not get that ........and it will certainly happen with a Super Majority in Washington ........

577 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:24:06am

re: #572 MandyManners

ACORN funds candidates?

No, I goofed. You were right - it was FM/FM.

Sorry!

578 akak  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:24:36am

re: #575 MandyManners

BHO gave money to ACORN, not the other way around.


They gave 100 k to Obama didn't they?

579 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:25:46am

re: #577 Adina in Judea

No, I goofed. You were right - it was FM/FM.

Sorry!

Well, it's hard to keep the alphabet soup straight at times, especially when you're thinking of two corrupt organizations.

580 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:26:30am

re: #578 akak

They gave 100 k to Obama didn't they?

Not that I'm a aware of. However, FM/FM gave him about that figure, didn't it? $122,000.00?

581 eon  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:26:32am

re: #571 jorline

Another view...
Obama raises record $150 million in September

We've always been told by the left that the Republican's are the wealthy party...Democrats are the lowly poor party...WTF

I want to see that money trail.

Not going to happen, win or lose. If they win, tracks will be covered like a cat who's just used the litter box (things are always hidden where you won't want to look for them). If they lose, the Tanning-Bed Media (a term which seems to be superseding MSM now) will round on anyone who even tries to take a look as engaging in a "witch hunt".

As for the other point, I understand that of the fifteen richest members of the Senate and House, all but two are Democrats. Link, anyone?

cheers

eon

582 sparrowlake  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:27:13am

re: #558 Austrian Capitalist

The polls are an average, skewed in favor of the big cities. Obama can win the popular vote, as did John Kerry. However, the state votes are what matter. Founding Fathers...you magnificent bastards!

The point is that Zogby shows McCain/Palin now has the momentum. The Zogby is a daily 3-day rolling poll with a low (2.9%) margin of error. It is therefore more reliable than most other polls because it has a built-in averaging feature.
I am watching for McCain/Palin to pull even over the next few days as the polls reflect the Joe and SNL bumps.

583 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:27:38am

Has anyone suggested that Joe is a Rovian plant?

584 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:27:51am

re: #579 MandyManners

re: #577 Adina in Judea

No, I goofed. You were right - it was FM/FM.

Sorry!

Well, it's hard to keep the alphabet soup straight at times, especially when you're thinking of two corrupt organizations.

Ain't that the truth!

585 laZardo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:30:04am

re: #583 MandyManners

Well, he is Charles "of the Five" Keating's brother-in-law...

586 quickjustice  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:30:16am

I must confess that I get this irresistible impulse to cluck like a chicken when I hear Obama speak. Could it be that he's hypnotizing me? ;-)

587 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:30:38am

re: #583 MandyManners

Has anyone suggested that Joe is a Rovian plant?

Some of the left blogs have claimed that Joe was a plant (as if he had moved to his house in the knowledge that Obama would someday do a door-to-door campaign on his street.)

The fact that Obama went to his street (rather than Joe going to his rally) is wonderful.

Not for Obama, of course.

Good.

588 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:31:06am

re: #585 laZardo

Well, he is Charles "of the Five" Keating's brother-in-law...

Huh?

589 JacksonTn  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:31:18am

They found the little boy ....thank G-d ......

590 eon  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:31:26am

re: #583 MandyManners

Has anyone suggested that Joe is a Rovian plant?

That has showed up at several places. The disconnect in logic is truly mind-boggling, in that The One called on him at random. I can only assume that the moonbats believe that The One was affected momentarily by the ReThuglicans' Orbital Mind Control Laser Satellites.

/Even now, they have the Messiah's tinfoil halo ready for fitting

cheers

eon

591 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:31:31am

re: #586 quickjustice

I must confess that I get this irresistible impulse to cluck like a chicken when I hear Obama speak. Could it be that he's hypnotizing me? ;-)

You're fine as long as you don't start pecking in the yard.

592 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:32:22am

re: #587 Adina in Judea

Some of the left blogs have claimed that Joe was a plant (as if he had moved to his house in the knowledge that Obama would someday do a door-to-door campaign on his street.)

The fact that Obama went to his street (rather than Joe going to his rally) is wonderful.

Not for Obama, of course.

Good.

How do they manage the cognitive dissonance?

593 jorline  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:32:33am

re: #581 eon

Not going to happen, win or lose. If they win, tracks will be covered like a cat who's just used the litter box (things are always hidden where you won't want to look for them). If they lose, the Tanning-Bed Media (a term which seems to be superseding MSM now) will round on anyone who even tries to take a look as engaging in a "witch hunt".

As for the other point, I understand that of the fifteen richest members of the Senate and House, all but two are Democrats. Link, anyone?

cheers

eon

Agree...but my main point is Obama will fleece the American public for every penny they have and spend it all. He's demonstrating that right now during the campaign.

Ask and spend now...tax and spend later.

594 golly_wog  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:32:39am

Overnight, Obama signs have sprouted like evil mushrooms in this area. The same thing happened with Kerry/Edwards signs, but this time it is mind boggling that these same folks (it's an upperclass, primarily white neighborhood) could be this duped, uninformed or blinded by BDS that they could give this guy a pass on all that is obvious about him. The Hope is that the result will be the same as last time, but I really feel weird about these folks this time -- it's like I have no respect for them at all. Maybe flabbergasted is the word, or gobsmacked. They might as well have fallen for a Nigerian mail fraud. It makes you just want to grab them and shake some sense into them.

disgusted rant off

595 quickjustice  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:32:57am

re: #553 capefear

The problem isn't with your faith. The problem is the claim intelligent design makes that it's science, not faith. That's nonsense.

596 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:33:10am

re: #589 JacksonTn

They found the little boy ....thank G-d ......

I hope grandfather is cut from their lives utterly.

597 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:33:10am

re: #588 MandyManners

re: #585 laZardo

Well, he is Charles "of the Five" Keating's brother-in-law...

Huh?

There's a last name coincidence in there somewhere.

The left is dying to believe that he was a plant, so they pin their hopes on stuff like this (as if Obama didn't really go to this man's street.)

598 laZardo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:33:18am

re: #588 MandyManners

It's some of the dirt flying around. I just use it for the evil effect. >_>

599 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:34:39am

re: #592 MandyManners

How do they manage the cognitive dissonance?

Well, I don't think it shows up for the left as cognitive dissonance.

It's just part of the usual psychotic noise in their heads.

600 eon  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:34:52am

Well, time to go, Lizards. Things need doing, even on Sunday.

Have a great day.

cheers

eon

601 sparrowlake  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:35:24am

More good news:

Tampa Tribune - Key McCain Endorsement

John McCain won the endorsement of the Tampa Tribune Saturday, a key newspaper in the battleground state of Florida.

The paper, which leans conservative but chose not to endorse a candidate in 2004 over dissatisfaction with President Bush, said the "uncertain times require McCain's tested vigilance."

602 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:35:32am

Sigh ... idiot head of the Texas Board of Education regurgitating all the Discovery Institute talking points in article in Waco newspaper ... these people infuriate me. The way they wrap themselves in the mantle of conservatism and patriotism and morality while they try to teach children a lie, violate the Constitution, and damage the economic and scientific leadership of the United States. They are so misguided. Actually, I think only some of them are "misguided," others know exactly what they are doing. They KNOW that evolution has all the evidence and I.D. has none, they simply don't care. There is no room for evolution in THEIR religious beliefs (even if there is in other people's religious beliefs), therefore, evolution CANNOT be true, and is possibly of the devil, and is largely responsible for this nation's moral decline. When they say "show me evidence for evolution and I'll believe it," they're lying. They will reject any and all evidence you present to them.

Which would be fine, that's their right ... as long as they weren't trying to force their views on everyone else!

603 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:36:16am

re: #590 eon

That has showed up at several places. The disconnect in logic is truly mind-boggling, in that The One called on him at random. I can only assume that the moonbats believe that The One was affected momentarily by the ReThuglicans' Orbital Mind Control Laser Satellites.

/Even now, they have the Messiah's tinfoil halo ready for fitting

cheers

eon

This whole situation is just delicious. Hoisted by his own petard.

604 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:37:08am

re: #594 golly_wog

Overnight, Obama signs have sprouted like evil mushrooms in this area. The same thing happened with Kerry/Edwards signs, but this time it is mind boggling that these same folks (it's an upperclass, primarily white neighborhood) could be this duped, uninformed or blinded by BDS that they could give this guy a pass on all that is obvious about him. The Hope is that the result will be the same as last time, but I really feel weird about these folks this time -- it's like I have no respect for them at all. Maybe flabbergasted is the word, or gobsmacked. They might as well have fallen for a Nigerian mail fraud. It makes you just want to grab them and shake some sense into them.

disgusted rant off

Maybe they're trying to appease the mobs when BHO loses.

605 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:37:57am

re: #597 Adina in Judea

There's a last name coincidence in there somewhere.

The left is dying to believe that he was a plant, so they pin their hopes on stuff like this (as if Obama didn't really go to this man's street.)

Wurzelbacher?

606 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:38:18am

re: #598 laZardo

It's some of the dirt flying around. I just use it for the evil effect. >_>

Confused me.

607 JacksonTn  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:38:46am

If Colin Powell endorses Senator Government today ....... I don't care how he tries to spin it ........ he would b endorsing him for one reason ..... the color of his skin .....

608 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:39:12am

re: #599 Adina in Judea

Well, I don't think it shows up for the left as cognitive dissonance.

It's just part of the usual psychotic noise in their heads.

I get the abiliity to hold two contradictory ideas at the same time but, this is a case of a physical impossibility.

609 jorline  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:39:27am

Barack Obama vows to 'change the world'

Barack Obama has vowed that he will "change the world" even as he urged his supporters to guard against complacency.

The supremely confident demeanour and exalted rhetoric of the Democratic nominee at a New Hampshire event betrayed that he is a man convinced he is poised to make history.

Sounds like the second coming.

Does anyone have a pin to pop their bubble?...Joe the Plumber does!

610 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:40:41am

re: #607 JacksonTn

If Colin Powell endorses Senator Government today ....... I don't care how he tries to spin it ........ he would b endorsing him for one reason ..... the color of his skin .....

That's the only reason I can think of.

611 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:42:05am

re: #605 MandyManners

Wurzelbacher?

Yes.

612 bp sf  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:42:10am

# 594 golly_wog

You've stated my exact thoughts, only more eloquently.

The dem signs are sprouting here on the roadsides like a late autumn flower.

613 sparrowlake  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:42:35am

re: #602 Tigger2005

Sigh ... idiot head of the Texas Board of Education regurgitating all the Discovery Institute talking points in article in Waco newspaper ... these people infuriate me. The way they wrap themselves in the mantle of conservatism and patriotism and morality while they try to teach children a lie, violate the Constitution, and damage the economic and scientific leadership of the United States. They are so misguided. Actually, I think only some of them are "misguided," others know exactly what they are doing. They KNOW that evolution has all the evidence and I.D. has none, they simply don't care. There is no room for evolution in THEIR religious beliefs (even if there is in other people's religious beliefs), therefore, evolution CANNOT be true, and is possibly of the devil, and is largely responsible for this nation's moral decline. When they say "show me evidence for evolution and I'll believe it," they're lying. They will reject any and all evidence you present to them.
Which would be fine, that's their right ... as long as they weren't trying to force their views on everyone else!

This issue will only hurt the Reps at this point in the campaign because it is mostly an internal Rep issue which will alienate undecideds. The Reps should defer this debate until after the election.

614 bp sf  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:42:59am

Hey Jorline! How's the sunrise lookin' over the Gulf this mornin'?

615 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:43:23am

re: #609 jorline

Barack Obama vows to 'change the world'


Sounds like the second coming.

Does anyone have a pin to pop their bubble?...Joe the Plumber does!

I'm wondering about your bolded words. It sounds at first as if the writer is cheering him on but, the "betrayed" flips it around for me. It could be interpreted as if he is thinking that BHO is a gas bag.

616 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:43:46am

re: #611 Adina in Judea

That's gotta' be German.

617 christheprofessor  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:44:53am

I'm seeing a helluva lot of McCain/Palin signs and bumper stickers around here lately...

Still see nothing but Obambi ads on TV, though.

618 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:45:26am

A couple of weeks ago I saw several BHO signs in the fronts of banks and other businesses when I took The Kid to school. They were gone by the time I went to pick him up.

619 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:47:28am

Yeah, I never thought of Democrats as the "enemy" before ... sadly misguided fellow Americans, maybe, but not the enemy. Now, I don't know what else to think about them. They're supporting a candidate who blatantly disrespects and rejects the basic, foundational principles of America, who has spent all his life associating with people who HATE America to the core. What else can this make them but the enemy?

I'm sure many of them would point to Bush and say "Well what about the Patriot Act, huh? What about his LYING to us about Iraq?" But even if you granted them this false "argument," even if you agreed the P.A. curtailed our civil liberties and that Bush lied about Iraq, this is all surface stuff ... it doesn't represent a fundamental change in what America itself IS.

re: #594 golly_wog

Overnight, Obama signs have sprouted like evil mushrooms in this area. The same thing happened with Kerry/Edwards signs, but this time it is mind boggling that these same folks (it's an upperclass, primarily white neighborhood) could be this duped, uninformed or blinded by BDS that they could give this guy a pass on all that is obvious about him. The Hope is that the result will be the same as last time, but I really feel weird about these folks this time -- it's like I have no respect for them at all. Maybe flabbergasted is the word, or gobsmacked. They might as well have fallen for a Nigerian mail fraud. It makes you just want to grab them and shake some sense into them.

disgusted rant off

620 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:48:35am

re: #617 christheprofessor

I'm seeing a helluva lot of McCain/Palin signs and bumper stickers around here lately...

Still see nothing but Obambi ads on TV, though.

Same here. The only BHO signs I see are in yards owned by people I know to be either hard-core Democrats or African-Americans. Heck, I know one hard-core Democrat who has a sign supporting the Democrats' candidate for state office next to a McCain/Palin sign.

621 shanec99  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:49:13am

re: #609 jorline

Barack Obama vows to 'change the world'


Sounds like the second coming.

Does anyone have a pin to pop their bubble?...Joe the Plumber does!

If O'Bama wins it will change the world, but I don't think it will make our world safer, more prosperous or more capable of overcoming the challenges of terrorism and totalitarianism that we must confront if civilization must survive.

622 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:49:43am

re: #618 MandyManners

A couple of weeks ago I saw several BHO signs in the fronts of banks and other businesses when I took The Kid to school. They were gone by the time I went to pick him up.

Good morning, Lizards!

Mandy, I think moonbats put them up in the night...

623 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:50:14am

Plumber's crack.

624 Pullus Iulius  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:50:28am

re: #609 jorline

With 0, it's all an act. Just as Zogby suggests that the outward show of confidence is more strategy than reality, so it is with the other aspects of its life: a constant pretending to be something it is not.
Pretending to be a statesman, when it is not.
Pretending to be a patriot, when it is not.
Pretending to be an intellectual, when it is not.
Pretending to be a man of the people, when it is not.
Pretending to be a Christian/muslim (you pick 'em), when it is not.
Pretending to be a Kenyan/Indonesian/American (once again, your choice), when it is not.
What 0 is, however, is a socialist worm. Which it pretends it is not, but is.

625 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:50:52am

re: #622 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards!

Mandy, I think moonbats put them up in the night...

Dark deeds unravel in the light.

626 smokefire  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:51:52am

Good morning Lizards from the "quiet corner of northeastern CT. Quiet night at FH, other than the consternation of not being able to see the first few innings of big game. Tonight we come all the way back.................................

627 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:52:38am

Fox is gonna' talk about BHO's demand that the DoJ investigate the investigations into ACORN or somesuch nonsense.

628 golly_wog  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:52:52am

We all know where mushrooms like to grow. BHO sure gives a lot of that basic nutrient.

629 christheprofessor  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:53:41am

re: #620 MandyManners

Same here. The only BHO signs I see are in yards owned by people I know to be either hard-core Democrats or African-Americans. Heck, I know one hard-core Democrat who has a sign supporting the Democrats' candidate for state office next to a McCain/Palin sign.

I'm becoming more and more optimistic as the election approaches. I think the polls are essentially meaningless (designed to form, rather than objectively measure, opinion), and people are really beginning to look at the candidates, now that the election is 16 days out. Plus, I find it mind-boggling that we could be so shtoopid as to elect an inexperienced marxist, regardless of the MSM being in the tank for him.

Then again, I was stunned that we were shtoopid enough to reelect Bill Clinton...

630 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:54:05am

re: #608 MandyManners

re: #599 Adina in Judea

Well, I don't think it shows up for the left as cognitive dissonance.

It's just part of the usual psychotic noise in their heads.

I get the abiliity to hold two contradictory ideas at the same time but, this is a case of a physical impossibility.

Well, the left is forced to believe that Joe the Plumber is a plant because it would be way too freaky if Obama happened to go door to door and got a question all on his own that could ruin his campaign.

So I think they're saying that McCain figured out which street Obama was campaigning on door to door and called for a plumber on that street to go ask Obama a difficult question.

It's unbelievably farfetched, but moonbats go for stuff like this.

631 Beach Lover  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:54:23am

Morning, Lizards!
Joe t Plumber on F&F. What a nice guy. Obama is gonna regret having anything derrogatory on tape about him.
And have you seen the pic of the new version of a bumper sticker?

a toilet plunger stuck on your hood of your car! LOL

632 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:54:25am
633 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:54:44am

Kurtz on Fox.

634 smokefire  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:55:22am

re: #627 MandyManners

Fox is gonna' talk about BHO's demand that the DoJ investigate the investigations into ACORN or somesuch nonsense.

typical left speak. Accuse the accusers.
It is terribly apparent that the THE ONE is having a hard time dazzling us with his so called brilliance, he, and his minions are resorting to baffling us with all the bullshit.

635 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:56:34am

re: #629 christheprofessor

I'm becoming more and more optimistic as the election approaches. I think the polls are essentially meaningless (designed to form, rather than objectively measure, opinion), and people are really beginning to look at the candidates, now that the election is 16 days out. Plus, I find it mind-boggling that we could be so shtoopid as to elect an inexperienced marxist, regardless of the MSM being in the tank for him.

Then again, I was stunned that we were shtoopid enough to reelect Bill Clinton...

At times I wish I had taken the advertising path in J-school with maybe a minor in marketing.

636 sparrowlake  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:56:56am

Is it my imagination or is the amount of money being raised and spent in this campain by Obama a complete and total obscenity? Does anyone think there has been or will be a backlash against the Obama campaign from independents who are disgusted by this?

637 quickjustice  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:57:12am

re: #607 JacksonTn

Powell came up through the Pentagon bureaucracy. That means he's a skilled bureaucratic infighter, but he's never been a risk-taker. That why he wasn't the first black President.

If Powell endorses Obama this late, it will prove only that he's an opportunist because it will have so little real world impact. Maybe he's looking for a gig in the O Administration.

638 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:58:04am

re: #630 Adina in Judea

Well, the left is forced to believe that Joe the Plumber is a plant because it would be way too freaky if Obama happened to go door to door and got a question all on his own that could ruin his campaign.

So I think they're saying that McCain figured out which street Obama was campaigning on door to door and called for a plumber on that street to go ask Obama a difficult question.

It's unbelievably farfetched, but moonbats go for stuff like this.

Again, that's a physical impossibility. That and the attacks by BHO and his minions show me that Joe struck a serious blow. I mean, BHO got up and LIED about what Joe said.

639 jorline  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:58:10am

re: #615 MandyManners

I'm wondering about your bolded words. It sounds at first as if the writer is cheering him on but, the "betrayed" flips it around for me. It could be interpreted as if he is thinking that BHO is a gas bag.

Good morning, Mandy. I bolded because of their "words" to describe "O" only and this leader of the world BS.

I took it as more of a caution to the "O" elite.

640 AMER1CAN  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:58:20am

Sunday OT: Quran references delay PS3 title 'Little Big Planet'

Sony is delaying the much-anticipated PlayStation 3 title Little Big Planet due to a late discovery that background music tracks contained two expressions found in the Quran.

I wonder how those lyrics made it's way into a childrens game. Oddly, it's muslims who want the lyrics removed. Maybe I'm missing something here....

641 quickjustice  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:58:25am

re: #632 MandyManners

Not you too, Mandy! (Makes sign of the cross, and puts on garlic necklace).

642 smokefire  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:58:43am

re: #636 sparrowlake

sparrow, funny you mention this. Better half made point that this money has to be coming from somewhere other than states, by surreptitious means

643 jorline  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:59:12am

re: #621 shanec99

If O'Bama wins it will change the world, but I don't think it will make our world safer, more prosperous or more capable of overcoming the challenges of terrorism and totalitarianism that we must confront if civilization must survive.

Have to agree with you, shane.

644 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 5:59:15am

re: #634 smokefire

typical left speak. Accuse the accusers.
It is terribly apparent that the THE ONE is having a hard time dazzling us with his so called brilliance, he, and his minions are resorting to baffling us with all the bullshit.

This whole episode smacks of desperation and anger.

645 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:00:12am

re: #639 jorline

Good morning, Mandy. I bolded because of their "words" to describe "O" only and this leader of the world BS.

I took it as more of a caution to the "O" elite.


How so? A signal to him to tone it down?

646 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:01:02am

re: #637 quickjustice

Powell came up through the Pentagon bureaucracy. That means he's a skilled bureaucratic infighter, but he's never been a risk-taker. That why he wasn't the first black President.

If Powell endorses Obama this late, it will prove only that he's an opportunist because it will have so little real world impact. Maybe he's looking for a gig in the O Administration.

I thought it was because Alma didn't want him to run.

647 quickjustice  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:01:09am

If Obama is using "Milton Model" hypnosis techniques in his public speaking and in personal interactions, as the article claims, he's a sneaky, manipulative son of a bitch whose character is, at best, sleazy!

648 quickjustice  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:01:41am

re: #646 MandyManners

That too! ;-)

649 Beach Lover  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:02:23am

re: #636 sparrowlake

Is it my imagination or is the amount of money being raised and spent in this campain by Obama a complete and total obscenity? Does anyone think there has been or will be a backlash against the Obama campaign from independents who are disgusted by this?


This is another morsel in a sea of inquiries that will never get addressed this election. Where is all this money coming from? We know it is in small donations that are not required to be tracked by name. Those are then "bundled" into larger groups. I have seen some articles that many are from overseas. The Dem party learned from the Clinton administration how to do this (thanks McCain-Feingold).

650 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:02:40am

re: #641 quickjustice

Not you too, Mandy! (Makes sign of the cross, and puts on garlic necklace).

Have you read it? I've not read all of it but, I've found some very strange stuff about his use and repetition of certain phrases.

651 JacksonTn  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:02:58am

re: #632 MandyManners

As strange as it sounds, I'm convinced that this article on the crafting of BHO's speeches is valid.

He will do this for 30 minutes ....... soon .......

652 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:03:22am

re: #647 quickjustice

If Obama is using "Milton Model" hypnosis techniques in his public speaking and in personal interactions, as the article claims, he's a sneaky, manipulative son of a bitch whose character is, at best, sleazy!

Ummmmmmm....

653 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:03:43am

re: #627 MandyManners

Fox is gonna' talk about BHO's demand that the DoJ investigate the investigations into ACORN or somesuch nonsense.

Oh yeah!? Well let's investigate the investigation into the investigation!

654 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:03:57am

re: #651 JacksonTn

He will do this for 30 minutes ....... soon .......

I'll be watching something else.

655 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:04:50am

In honor of Ollie Stone's hit-job movie on GWB, I will now refer to BHO only as "H".

So, with the paperwork out of the way, how is everyone this fine morning?

656 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:05:00am

re: #653 Tigger2005

Oh yeah!? Well let's investigate the investigation into the investigation!

I wanna' investigate the investigation of the investigation of the investigation.

657 quickjustice  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:05:08am

re: #650 MandyManners

Every word. I took a lot of flack yesterday for mentioning it on an earlier thread, so be prepared for the onslaught. I actually think it persuasive, although I'm not an expert in the field. Some other commenters who have more experience than I said that the "Milton Model" of hypnosis is good science, but that it's manipulative and highly unethical to use it on unsuspecting people.

658 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:05:50am

re: #655 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

In honor of Ollie Stone's hit-job movie on GWB, I will now refer to BHO only as "H".

So, with the paperwork out of the way, how is everyone this fine morning?

My brain is hard-wired to type out "BHO" so I'll keep to it.

659 Pullus Iulius  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:06:03am

re: #636 sparrowlake

Well, the mail I recently got from McCain-Palin said that the 0 campaign had raised in excess of $1 Billion. Now, I'd be interested in seeing the accounting, but if you add its outright campaign, the 527 soft money, the bogus book sales, the in-kind work of criminal organizations such as ACORN and NOI, and the rest, maybe that figure isn't far off. You are right in your characterization; that it is obscene.

660 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:07:59am

re: #657 quickjustice

Every word. I took a lot of flack yesterday for mentioning it on an earlier thread, so be prepared for the onslaught. I actually think it persuasive, although I'm not an expert in the field. Some other commenters who have more experience than I said that the "Milton Model" of hypnosis is good science, but that it's manipulative and highly unethical to use it on unsuspecting people.

And, this is why they doubt BHO would utilize it?! His ethics are those of Saul Alinksy, Jeremiah Wright, et al..

661 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:08:49am

re: #630 Adina in Judea

Well, the left is forced to believe that Joe the Plumber is a plant because it would be way too freaky if Obama happened to go door to door and got a question all on his own that could ruin his campaign.

So I think they're saying that McCain figured out which street Obama was campaigning on door to door and called for a plumber on that street to go ask Obama a difficult question.

It's unbelievably farfetched, but moonbats go for stuff like this.

But Obama still could have covered, shot the bullshit, no matter how difficult the question was ... instead he screwed up and made the "spread the wealth around" remark. So McCain also had to bet that O would let his guard down! Brilliant! McCain has inherited the mantle of Magnificent Bastard!

662 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:08:50am

re: #658 MandyManners

My brain is hard-wired to type out "BHO" so I'll keep to it.

Just like you rich conservatives to waste letters all over the place, letters probably stolen from the poor, and causing global warming.

Can't anyone think of the polar bears?

Think of cute, cuddily bears whenever you run out to waste two whole letters when referring to "H".

/sarc

663 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:09:31am

re: #662 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Just like you rich conservatives to waste letters all over the place, letters probably stolen from the poor, and causing global warming.

Can't anyone think of the polar bears?

Think of cute, cuddily bears whenever you run out to waste two whole letters when referring to "H".

/sarc

SPREAD THE LETTERS!

664 JacksonTn  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:09:52am

Is the guy on Fox related to Teller of Penn & Teller? ........ he looks just like him .....

665 FrogMarch  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:09:57am

With Obama at the helm - people like Chuck Schumer will have more power.

(doesn't chuck look like a mobster?)
corrupt bastard.

666 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:11:40am

re: #656 MandyManners

I wanna' investigate the investigation of the investigation of the investigation.

The people investigating ACORN are deadist!

667 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:11:51am

"Your brother Stephen is my favorite Baldwin."

LOL!

Didn't Alec Baldwin come out with a slap against BHO last week or so?

668 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:12:15am

re: #664 JacksonTn

Is the guy on Fox related to Teller of Penn & Teller? ........ he looks just like him .....

Who, Joe Lieberman?

669 gettinby  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:12:19am

Good morning from Tampa, with a smile on my face that the Tribune is endorsing McCain.

re: #650 MandyManners

Have you read it? I've not read all of it but, I've found some very strange stuff about his use and repetition of certain phrases.

re: #650 MandyManners

Have you read it? I've not read all of it but, I've found some very strange stuff about his use and repetition of certain phrases.

Would be interesting to do a study of the 2 groups of folks - those who "believe in" the O, and those who "see through the BS."

The believers probably are easily hypnotized, while the unbelievers are not?

/Full disclosure: 'Noone's ever been able to hypnotize me' is my entire premise for this study. :)

670 Penguinchic  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:12:23am

re: #650 MandyManners

Have you read it? I've not read all of it but, I've found some very strange stuff about his use and repetition of certain phrases.

I really believe it because I will listen to him and have no clue what he has said and not have negative feelings about him when he stops... and I totally dislike him. Also, a friend has been a supporter of him ever since she heard him speak back during the primaries. She told me that she wasn't sure who she was going to support until she heard him speak and then immediately voted for him in the primaries. Now, there is no reasoning with her regarding him, which I wonder is due to this and not being able to handle the ideas that go against what she has heard from Obama.

671 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:13:07am

re: #663 MandyManners

SPREAD THE LETTERS!

Game. Set. Match.

Well played.

672 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:13:31am

re: #661 Tigger2005

But Obama still could have covered, shot the bullshit, no matter how difficult the question was ... instead he screwed up and made the "spread the wealth around" remark. So McCain also had to bet that O would let his guard down! Brilliant! McCain has inherited the mantle of Magnificent Bastard!

Yeah! :)

It's funny that the moonbats' belief in their own guy's divinity means that when Obambi lets his guard down and reveals his socialism without meaning to, the moonbats believe that McCain must have his own supernatural powers to make something like that happen.

This is turning into mass hysteria.

673 They Call Him Boss  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:13:38am

Colin Powell on Meet The Press right now.....he just endorsed Obama.

674 laZardo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:14:01am

re: #662 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I agree! B and O produce untold amounts of greenhouse gases when burned onto ones LCD, so we must cut down on their use otherwise Santa's Toy Factory will become Santa's Sealab!

/

675 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:14:02am

re: #666 Tigger2005

The people investigating ACORN are deadist!

Isn't this a second time BHO's tried to drag the DoJ into doing his dirty work?

676 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:14:29am

re: #667 MandyManners

"Your brother Stephen is my favorite Baldwin."

LOL!

Didn't Alec Baldwin come out with a slap against BHO last week or so?

Alec amazingly blamed the Dems for the financial crisis. Although he didn't get it completely right ... actually the Glass-Steagall Act has not been completely gutted, and the "weakening" of the Act did not help bring on the crisis. In fact, banks that have diversified their business are better positioned to weather the crisis.

677 JacksonTn  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:14:31am

re: #668 Tigger2005

Who, Joe Lieberman?

No ..... the guy who works on FOX .......could be Teller's twin .....but Joe does kinda look like him .....

678 JacksonTn  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:14:57am

re: #673 They Call Him Boss

Colin Powell on Meet The Press right now.....he just endorsed Obama.

F*CKING RACIST .......SHOWS HIS TRUE COLORS ....

679 smokefire  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:15:20am

re: #665 FrogMarch

With Obama at the helm - people like Chuck Schumer will have more power.

(doesn't chuck look like a mobster?)
corrupt bastard.

and what about the Ted Kennedy lookalike, Chris Dodd.

It only seems like yesterday that Chris and Tedd were rolling around the floors of a Washington donut shop, both drunk as skunks. Ahh liquor, the curse of the Irish.

680 doriangrey  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:15:45am

Good morning Lizards....

681 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:16:36am

re: #675 MandyManners

Isn't this a second time BHO's tried to drag the DoJ into doing his dirty work?

Obama general counsel Bob Bauer today sent a second, sharper letter to the Justice Department, directly attacking the Dallas billionaire funding a harsh attack ad, Harold Simmons.

"We reiterate our request that the Department of Justice fulfill its commitment to take prompt action to investigate and to prosecute the American issues Project, and we further request that the Department of Justice investigate and prosecute Howard (sic) Simmons for a knowing and willful violation of the individual aggregate contribution limits," he wrote.

He called the group's activities "patently illegal."

SNIP

682 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:16:52am

Powell's endorsed BHO.

683 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:17:23am

re: #670 Penguinchic

I really believe it because I will listen to him and have no clue what he has said and not have negative feelings about him when he stops... and I totally dislike him. Also, a friend has been a supporter of him ever since she heard him speak back during the primaries. She told me that she wasn't sure who she was going to support until she heard him speak and then immediately voted for him in the primaries. Now, there is no reasoning with her regarding him, which I wonder is due to this and not being able to handle the ideas that go against what she has heard from Obama.

Its a speaking technique of some gifted orators. You can say complete nonsense, but if you say it the right way, in the right rhythm and inflection, people will turn into lemmings around you and do whatever ghastly things you tell them to do.

So far, I can think of two that have shown the ability to do this: Hitler and H.

684 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:17:26am

re: #673 They Call Him Boss

Colin Powell on Meet The Press right now.....he just endorsed Obama.

Holy cow. Unbelievable.

685 realwest  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:17:40am

Well good morning all y'all - from a COLD (42 degrees going up to 62 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone this morning?

686 smokefire  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:18:03am

re: #682 MandyManners

Powell's endorsed BHO.

...............a disgrace to all the soldiers he led. Another one who has now disgraced the uniform.

687 golly_wog  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:18:11am

re: #682 MandyManners

Powell's endorsed BHO.

Lord love a duck! That's as polite as I can be.

688 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:18:15am

Analysis people: Is Powell's endorsement going to make a difference?

689 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:18:22am

re: #669 gettinby

Good morning from Tampa, with a smile on my face that the Tribune is endorsing McCain.

Would be interesting to do a study of the 2 groups of folks - those who "believe in" the O, and those who "see through the BS."

The believers probably are easily hypnotized, while the unbelievers are not?

/Full disclosure: 'Noone's ever been able to hypnotize me' is my entire premise for this study. :)

Would you remember it?

690 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:18:29am

re: #680 doriangrey

Good morning Lizards....

Morning Dorian!

691 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:19:01am

re: #688 Tigger2005

Analysis people: Is Powell's endorsement going to make a difference?

Nope.

692 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:19:04am

re: #670 Penguinchic

I really believe it because I will listen to him and have no clue what he has said and not have negative feelings about him when he stops... and I totally dislike him. Also, a friend has been a supporter of him ever since she heard him speak back during the primaries. She told me that she wasn't sure who she was going to support until she heard him speak and then immediately voted for him in the primaries. Now, there is no reasoning with her regarding him, which I wonder is due to this and not being able to handle the ideas that go against what she has heard from Obama.

The MUTE button is my best friend.

693 laZardo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:19:34am

re: #672 Adina in Judea

I can only hope that this mass hysteria whooshes him across the finish line before McCain...

694 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:19:38am

re: #688 Tigger2005

Analysis people: Is Powell's endorsement going to make a difference?

Nope.

The liberals hate Powell and they're already voting for Obama.

Conservatives don't love Powell, and they're already voting for McCain.

I don't see Powell having a big influence on independents.

695 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:20:09am

re: #676 Tigger2005

Alec amazingly blamed the Dems for the financial crisis. Although he didn't get it completely right ... actually the Glass-Steagall Act has not been completely gutted, and the "weakening" of the Act did not help bring on the crisis. In fact, banks that have diversified their business are better positioned to weather the crisis.

That's it! (There's been so much going on during the past four-six weeks that it tends to run together in my mind.)

696 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:20:16am

You can bet the media is going to TRUMPET this endorsement from the rooftops. Powell has lost any respect I ever had for him. My deceased mom had a copy of his biography, which I believe we still have. On her behalf, I'm throwing it in the trash. It's what she would have wanted.

697 smokefire  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:20:45am

re: #691 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Nope.

to some maybe. Generalisimo Powell is regarded as more center than left, he could pull a few people in.
My opinion.

698 opnion  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:20:59am

Good Morning Lizards. Colin Powell has just endorsed Barack Obama.
I guess race before country.

699 livefreeor die  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:21:02am

re: #636 sparrowlake

Is it my imagination or is the amount of money being raised and spent in this campain by Obama a complete and total obscenity? Does anyone think there has been or will be a backlash against the Obama campaign from independents who are disgusted by this?

Morning all.

They need all this money for Michelle's lobster and caviar lunches at the Waldorf-Astoria.

Yes, I'm still ranting about this. I think it's because they're talking about taking other people's money to "spread around" (i.e. payoff) people who vote for them and promoting themselves aschampions of the poor. In the meantime, they cut down working Americans and live high on the hog.

700 christheprofessor  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:21:07am

Disgraceful that Powell, who took an oath to defend the Constitution, endorses a candidate that wants to gut it...

701 realwest  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:21:18am

re: #673 They Call Him Boss So Powell endorsed Obama - how many of us think that that will change ANYONE'S mind on how to vote?
When McCain wins, then we can put Sir Colin Powell (yes, he was knighted by the Queen of Great Britain) along with all those hangovers from Carter and Clinton into the dustbins of history were they all truly belong.
What respect I had for Powell's integrity just went down the drain. He is the exact OPPOSITE of Obama in every respect and yet he endorsed Obama because Obama's a Black man.
For shame Sir Colin, for shame.

702 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:21:19am

re: #686 smokefire

...............a disgrace to all the soldiers he led. Another one who has now disgraced the uniform.

re: #687 golly_wog

Lord love a duck! That's as polite as I can be.

What are his reasons?!

703 gettinby  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:21:35am

re: #685 realwest

Good morning {realwest}!

re: #689 MandyManners

Would you remember it?

I do and did, and a few times it was recorded so I've some proof!

/Of course, I could be currently living my weird life as someone I'm not because of one of those! OMG!

704 They Call Him Boss  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:21:50am

re: #688 Tigger2005

Analysis people: Is Powell's endorsement going to make a difference?

In an election such as this, where the undecided are going to decide it since the battle lines are pretty clearly drawn as far as constituency goes? Well, it's going to make the anti-war crowd's heads explode, that's for sure, having the man who went before the UN to make the case for Iraq now endorsing the man who they believe will bring them their utopia of peace, love and tolerance and a world in which everyone is extra special super duper nice to each other under pain of incarceration or death.

705 golly_wog  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:21:52am

Well the again, why wouldn't Powell endorse B HO? He's fallen for faulty intelligence before.........

//////

706 JacksonTn  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:21:56am

Powell's endorsement is just another example of racism ....... just include him in the 95 or whatever percent of blacks voting for him because of skin color .......it may have a backlash ......

707 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:22:20am

re: #694 Adina in Judea

Nope.

The liberals hate Powell and they're already voting for Obama.

Conservatives don't love Powell, and they're already voting for McCain.

I don't see Powell having a big influence on independents.

Why not? They're neither liberal nor conservative.

708 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:22:27am

re: #702 MandyManners

What are his reasons?!

Obama's a darker shade of pale.

709 laZardo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:23:24am

re: #693 laZardo

SHIT. PIMF.

Does NOT. DOES NOT.

710 doriangrey  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:23:24am

re: #688 Tigger2005

Analysis people: Is Powell's endorsement going to make a difference?

No, absolutely none what so ever, Powell disgraced himself beyond repair when he left the State Dept. Nothing he ever does again is going to be of any significance. Stick a fork in Powell, he's done, and his endorsement means absolutely squat.

711 livefreeor die  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:23:52am

re: #688 Tigger2005

Analysis people: Is Powell's endorsement going to make a difference?

No, I don't think so. Pro-military voters won't vote for Barry. People voting only for Barry based on race won't change their votes. I think Joe the Plumber and other information carry more weight with independents than what Powell says.

712 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:23:54am

re: #699 livefreeor die

Morning all.

They need all this money for Michelle's lobster and caviar lunches at the Waldorf-Astoria.

Yes, I'm still ranting about this. I think it's because they're talking about taking other people's money to "spread around" (i.e. payoff) people who vote for them and promoting themselves aschampions of the poor. In the meantime, they cut down working Americans and live high on the hog.

PUMA has it.

Why do I get the image of Lil' Kim?

713 Pullus Iulius  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:23:56am

re: #685 realwest

Good morning, Realwest! We knuckled under and had to turn the heat on this morning. Score one for the battle between denial and reality. We hope you're well this morning. I read Colin Powell just did the bad thing to us, but I can't say I was that surprised. Now the dems have to square their years of Powell condemnation with this new situation.

714 JustAGal  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:23:57am

re: #710 doriangrey

Agree wholeheartedly

715 doriangrey  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:23:59am

re: #690 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Morning Dorian!

Morning Vet.....

716 shug  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:24:08am

Went to see Kathy Griffin last night @ Fox Theatre in Detroit.

Disgusting Rosie O'Dumbell was seated a few rows behind us. You would have thought she was Royalty given the response.
I Boo'd her however ( as did many )
When Kathy welcomed her "Conservatives" in the audience, I think she was quite surprised by the very loud applause that so many of us gave. Oops. Not what she was expecting

Kathy wasn't funny.
Her politics and liberalism have poisoned her comedy

717 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:24:28am

I love this dem spin...

H's SA troopers try to destroy Joe the Plumber.

H refuses to cop any responsibility and has his apologists claim he doesn't bear any because he didn't say anything himself.

So, effectively, H could have someone killed and as long as he didn't pull the trigger himself, he's innocent.


How very Al Capone-ish.

718 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:24:33am

re: #703 gettinby

Good morning {realwest}!

re: #689 MandyManners


I do and did, and a few times it was recorded so I've some proof!

/Of course, I could be currently living my weird life as someone I'm not because of one of those! OMG!

Pinch yourself!

719 Geepers  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:25:21am

MandyManners (#681),

From your link:

"We reiterate our request that the Department of Justice fulfill its commitment to take prompt action to investigate and to prosecute the American issues Project, and we further request that the Department of Justice investigate and prosecute Howard (sic) Simmons for a knowing and willful violation of the individual aggregate contribution limits," he wrote.

The only thing they left out was "and find guilty".

And they can't even get the guy's name right. Truly inept ain't it?

720 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:25:22am

re: #704 They Call Him Boss

In an election such as this, where the undecided are going to decide it since the battle lines are pretty clearly drawn as far as constituency goes? Well, it's going to make the anti-war crowd's heads explode, that's for sure, having the man who went before the UN to make the case for Iraq now endorsing the man who they believe will bring them their utopia of peace, love and tolerance and a world in which everyone is extra special super duper nice to each other under pain of incarceration or death.

Maybe they'll rationalize by saying that Pres. Bush forced Powell to do it by lying to him.

721 livefreeor die  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:25:50am

re: #717 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I love this dem spin...

H's SA troopers try to destroy Joe the Plumber.

H refuses to cop any responsibility and has his apologists claim he doesn't bear any because he didn't say anything himself.

So, effectively, H could have someone killed and as long as he didn't pull the trigger himself, he's innocent.


How very Al Capone-ish.

Or, even more ironically, Clintonesque.

722 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:25:52am

re: #708 Tigger2005

Obama's a darker shade of pale.

His stated reasons?

723 sparrowlake  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:26:07am

re: #673 They Call Him Boss

Colin Powell on Meet The Press right now.....he just endorsed Obama.

Isn't Colon Paul the one who the Dems roundly condemned for lying to the UN and Congress about the existence of WMD? So then what's with the endorsement from someone who has no Dem credibility - is all that stuff gone down the memory hole, or is it perhaps that the Dems figure they can still use him for his skin colour?
Or is it because he once spoke Yiddish./

724 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:26:25am

bbiab

725 JacksonTn  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:26:26am

re: #720 MandyManners

Maybe they'll rationalize by saying that Pres. Bush forced Powell to do it by lying to him.

You know they will say that ........any means necessary to get Senator Government in the White House ........which will probably be renamed Presidential Palace ......

726 realwest  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:26:51am

re: #700 christheprofessor
Hey, good morning my friend! Hope you're doing ok, some of us have been asking about you lately and wondering if you were ok.
As for Powell - his endorsement will not, I predict, alter one single vote. Yet, if you've ever read his book which HE DID write himself, about his life and his early years, Colin Powell actually earned everything he's received in his life; that he's endorsed someone who has done virtually NOTHING to become POTUS can really only mean that he endorsed Obama because Obama's Black. And here I sit - someone who's met and broken bread with Colin Powell, has listened to his extremely well delivered and humoress lectures about being an American - totally stunned at the news that Colin Powell is a racist. I just would NEVER have suspected that. Never.

727 izbliss  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:26:53am

It's a shame that Powell endorses Obama. I realize he hasn't been exactly a republican stalwart lately, but this makes me think he's been paid off or blackmailed or something screwy. Why would a former leader of our military support someone as dirty as Obama? Does he support Hamas and Ahmadinejad as well? It just doesn't make sense. What's in it for him? Is he releasing a book or something? Why does he need this publicity?

728 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:26:59am

re: #707 MandyManners

I don't see Powell having a big influence on independents.

Why not? They're neither liberal nor conservative.

Well, I just don't think Powell is relevant enough at this point.

729 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:27:11am

Powell: "I've spent all my life serving this country in the military and in politics, I'm proud of it, and I think it's just fine and dandy to turn it over to a guy who's spent all his life associating with people who hate it and want to destroy it, just because he has an extra amount of melanin in his skin. That is all."

730 livefreeor die  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:27:18am

re: #725 JacksonTn

You know they will say that ........any means necessary to get Senator Government in the White House ........which will probably be renamed Presidential Palace ......

They probably already have the plans drawn up for adding him to Mount Rushmore.

731 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:27:18am

re: #682 MandyManners

Powell is a prime example of why you keep politics out of the military and keep the military out of politics.

732 opnion  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:27:31am

re: #701 realwest
Good Morning Real. Your Colin Powell analysis is dead on.
Powell went to the U.N to speak in favor of action against Iraq. On the other hand Obama has done everything to subvert the efforts of our troops.
This is a racially driven endorsement. This however will be seen as enlightened by the MSM. Reverse the situation & you have racism

733 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:27:32am

re: #697 smokefire

to some maybe. Generalisimo Powell is regarded as more center than left, he could pull a few people in.
My opinion.

While true, we are dealing in the fart in a windstorm effect here.

734 shug  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:27:35am

re: #717 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I love this dem spin...

H's SA troopers try to destroy Joe the Plumber.

H refuses to cop any responsibility and has his apologists claim he doesn't bear any because he didn't say anything himself.

So, effectively, H could have someone killed and as long as he didn't pull the trigger himself, he's innocent.


How very Al Capone-ish.

or Charles Manson

735 puckish and beguiling  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:28:21am

I am watching "Meet the Press"--just turned it on and I think Colin Powell just endorsed Obama--did I hear it correctly?
WTF?

736 laZardo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:29:16am

re: #701 realwest

Morning Real. I could remember my mom saying if she could vote, and vote someone of color, she would pick Colin Powell over Obama.

Not anymore...

/bleaker days lay ahead...

737 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:29:55am

re: #736 laZardo

Morning Real. I could remember my mom saying if she could vote, and vote someone of color, she would pick Colin Powell over Obama.

Not anymore...

/bleaker days lay ahead...

I'll vote for Thomas Sowell or Clarence Thomas.

738 realwest  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:30:35am

re: #694 Adina in Judea
Concur with your analysis. No vote's will be changed by this but it does, unfortunately, give some modicum of respectability to Obama's campaign that it has otherwise lacked.
I hope his fellow Vietnam Veteran, John McCain, gets the chance to meet Sir Colin and refuses to shake his hand.

739 shug  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:30:46am

Isn't Powell just getting revenge for Bush sending him before the UN with all that bogus intelligence ?

740 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:30:46am

re: #735 puckish and beguiling

I am watching "Meet the Press"--just turned it on and I think Colin Powell just endorsed Obama--did I hear it correctly?
WTF?

Yes... who cares?

741 quickjustice  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:30:53am

re: #669 gettinby

Weak-minded, trusting and unsuspecting people are must vulnerable to being hypnotized. I've been hypnotized, but I permitted it. The ethical issue is the use of these "Milton Model" hypnosis techniques on unsuspecting people. According to the article, Obama uses them to implant subconscious messages about himself ("believe in O" and "vote for me"), bypassing the logic center of the brain.

742 JacksonTn  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:31:13am

Here is a quote from Louie ..... which he said he told to the Arabs when he decided to embrace Islam ....

"I will never jump over one black christian to find brotherhood with a white arab ......"

Why would we find it such a stretch that Colin Powell would endorse Senator Government .....when it comes down to it ...... it is and has always been in this campaign ......about race ...... except when it is Bros b4 Hos .......

I am not saying Colin Powell is like Louie ........so don't slam me ....... I am just saying black for them trumps all .......

743 smokefire  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:31:15am

re: #733 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Clever prose..............I salute you Sir.

744 opnion  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:31:22am

re: #688 Tigger2005

Analysis people: Is Powell's endorsement going to make a difference?

It does tarnish Powells reputation as an honorable man. I am afraid that some fence sitters will be influenced, but hopefuly the impact will be minimal.
Powell has just got his dinner at the White House invitation. if Obama does win , I do hope that the cuisine is bitter in Powells mouth

745 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:31:36am

re: #734 shug

or Charles Manson

We could get Vincent Bugliosi to prosecute him, except Bugliosi has gone moonbat and wants to prosecute Bush for war crimes.

746 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:31:36am

My mom just called me, utterly disgusted with Powell and the MSM in general. I kept telling her to hang in there until Nov. 5--there's no sense being upset before we have to be.

Powell's talking point that Sarah Palin "isn't ready to lead" got me the angriest. On what does he base this opinion? What FACTS does he have? She's more ready than Obama ever will be.

747 laZardo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:32:35am

re: #745 Tigger2005

We could get Vincent Bugliosi to prosecute him, except Bugliosi has gone moonbat and wants to prosecute Bush for war crimes.

Bugger.

748 shug  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:32:48am

OK, so now Scott McClellan has a golfing partner.
At least for a twosome.

749 doriangrey  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:34:05am

re: #734 shug

or Charles Manson

It was the tactic of choice for Adolph Hitler....

750 livefreeor die  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:34:44am

I hope Powell is happy with what his buddy will do to the military if he wins. The blood from the rise of terrorism under Barry will be on his head.

751 christheprofessor  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:34:53am

re: #726 realwest

Good morning, my friend! I hope you and your Mom are doing well...

Haven't been on as muchs as it's been a busy time of the semester for me, then a friend popped in unexpectedly for a few days, then my brother, who I haven't seen in years, showed up unexpectedly the day after my friend left...

As for Powell, I can think of no other reason for him to endorse O other than because of his skin color. I find it hard to believe that he actually supports BHO's positions. Sickening.

752 Geepers  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:35:00am

goddessoftheclassroom (#746),

Powell's talking point that Sarah Palin "isn't ready to lead" got me the angriest.

Maybe someone should tell Colin that Governor Palin isn't running for President.

753 gettinby  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:35:20am

Here's an old article from huffpo (I know, I know) about if McCain wins the primary, there's a good reason for McCain to pick Powell as his veep.

McCain doesn't have the nomination yet but if he gets it there's a compelling argument for him to pick Colin Powell as his veep. The conventional wisdom is that McCain will need to secure his right flank and select an undisputed conservative. But McCain could take a page from the Clinton-Gore campaign and choose amplification over diversification. In 1992, Clinton chose a moderate southerner from a neighboring state no less who was in his age cohort. Powell would buttress McCain's national security credentials and echo his political philosophy, although I suspect that Powell is probably to the left of McCain on abortion, taxes and the like. McCain and Powell are personally close and while it's not essential to choose someone you like and respect--JFK and LBJ come to mind--it's not a bad thing either and it has the air of authenticity which is supposed to be John McCain's claim to fame. If he were to pick someone who disagreed with him on campaign finance reform, a gay marriage amendment to the constitution and global warming it would be hard to mount the Straight Talk express in quite the same way.

Maybe Powell is pissed that McCain chose Palin?

(bolding is mine)

754 smokefire  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:35:28am

re: #746 goddessoftheclassroom

.............better half (vagabond trader) feels same way. There can be nothing better than waking up Wednesday Nov. 5 and hearing that John McCain is new POUSA. She fears for this country now more than ever before, as do I.

755 opnion  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:35:33am

re: #746 goddessoftheclassroom

My mom just called me, utterly disgusted with Powell and the MSM in general. I kept telling her to hang in there until Nov. 5--there's no sense being upset before we have to be.

Powell's talking point that Sarah Palin "isn't ready to lead" got me the angriest. On what does he base this opinion? What FACTS does he have? She's more ready than Obama ever will be.


Lets get real, this is about race not policies. If Palin was a Sister runnig with Obama, Powell would see her as qualified.

756 Miss Trixie  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:35:34am

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757 livefreeor die  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:36:34am

re: #752 Geepers

goddessoftheclassroom (#746),


Maybe someone should tell Colin that Governor Palin isn't running for President.

Or that she would have probably finished off the first Gulf War in a manner where a second one wasn't needed.

758 quickjustice  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:36:45am

Remember, Powell was in charge of the company that committed the My Lai massacre (Remember Lt. Calley?) during Nam. He didn't order the massacre himself, but the unit that perpetrated it was part of his command. His political skills got him out of that mess, and got him promoted further.

759 JacksonTn  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:37:06am

Colin Powell thinks Ayers is not an issue ........saying that on tv right now .....

760 doriangrey  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:37:38am

re: #758 quickjustice

Remember, Powell was in charge of the company that committed the My Lai massacre (Remember Lt. Calley?) during Nam. He didn't order the massacre himself, but the unit that perpetrated it was part of his command. His political skills got him out of that mess, and got him promoted further.

And also ensured that Powell could never ever run for any elected office.

761 sparrowlake  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:37:55am

re: #756 Miss Trixie

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762 doriangrey  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:38:34am

re: #756 Miss Trixie

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ROTFLMAO..... First Iron Rule?

763 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:39:01am

re: #759 JacksonTn

Colin Powell thinks Ayers is not an issue ........saying that on tv right now .....

Well, good - that brings Ayers' name up again.

"Should it be an issue?"

"Yes, it should."

"Well, maybe not."

"Yes, it is an issue because it speaks to Obama's judgment (or the lack thereof.)"

764 gettinby  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:39:01am

re: #741 quickjustice

Weak-minded, trusting and unsuspecting people are must vulnerable to being hypnotized. I've been hypnotized, but I permitted it. The ethical issue is the use of these "Milton Model" hypnosis techniques on unsuspecting people. According to the article, Obama uses them to implant subconscious messages about himself ("believe in O" and "vote for me"), bypassing the logic center of the brain.

From what I've read (not much I admit), it may or may not be true. My personal experience with people, however, is that many (too many imho) allow themselves to get "caught up" in the adrenalin-rush (whether good OR bad).

/and sometimes, it's called "falling in love." ;)

765 livefreeor die  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:39:12am

re: #759 JacksonTn

Colin Powell thinks Ayers is not an issue ........saying that on tv right now .....

I'm glad my grandfather (rest his soul) isn't having to see this. He came from a poor family, went to West Point, and retired as a three star general. He would be sick to his stomach right now.

766 opnion  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:39:22am

Powell is now lecturing at a press conference. He said focusing on William Ayers is a distraction. Powell is upset with Obama being called a Socialist.
When asked if he is still a Republican, he answered "YES."
Powell should really go attempt to perform an impossible sexual act with himself

767 jetprop  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:39:35am

Powell defending Ayers..WTF?

0bama must have offered him a cabinet position.

768 legalpad  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:39:39am

Powell is only addressing a very narrow set of issues, trying to cast Republican ideas in a bad light. There is a lot he is editing out. Misrepresenting John McCain.

He implies raising taxes will raise revenue. I thought he was smarter than that.

769 realwest  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:39:49am

re: #703 {gettinby}

re: #713 Pullus Iulius

re: #732 opnion
and
re: #736 laZardo
Well good morning to each of you! I'm sorry for this sorta "group" response, but LGF is really racing along this morning and if I answered each of you individually I'd be - oh - a hundred posts or so behind by now! LOL!
I think I've made my views on Powell clear enough and don't really want to talk or read about another racist knucklehead. And it IS cold enough here that we have turned on our heat - so take that Mr. Obama man and STICK IT!

770 smokefire  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:40:06am

re: #759 JacksonTn

Colin Powell thinks Ayers is not an issue ........saying that on tv right now .....

unphuqing real. Not an issue.................Ahhh, Colin, then it was alright to bomb the Pentagon? Damn, sir, you ARE A DISGRACE TO THE UNIFORM Guess we forgot the oath.

"Preserve, protect, and defend the United States of America, against all enemies, foreign or domestic.

771 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:40:58am

re: #742 JacksonTn

The naked black racism in this election is something to see.

Chasing after a few grams of melanin.

No good will come of it.

772 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:41:04am

re: #759 JacksonTn

Colin Powell thinks Ayers is not an issue ........saying that on tv right now .....

I don't know that Powell's endorsement is not going to make a difference. Unfortunately, a lot of people still respect this guy. And from now until November he's going to be making the rounds of the news shows, telling people Sarah Palin's not qualified and Bill Ayers isn't an issue, and the MSM is going to be making this top of the newscast, front page stuff.

What a bastard.

773 quickjustice  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:41:09am

re: #764 gettinby

I've also been in love. ;-)

774 rightside  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:41:12am

Morning Lizards!

775 sparrowlake  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:41:19am

re: #766 opnion

Powell is now lecturing at a press conference. He said focusing on William Ayers is a distraction. Powell is upset with Obama being called a Socialist.
When asked if he is still a Republican, he answered "YES."
Powell should really go attempt to perform an impossible sexual act with himself

He is still a Republican.
*spit*

776 livefreeor die  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:41:39am

re: #770 smokefire

unphuqing real. Not an issue.................Ahhh, Colin, then it was alright to bomb the Pentagon? Damn, sir, you ARE A DISGRACE TO THE UNIFORM Guess we forgot the oath.

"Preserve, protect, and defend the United States of America, against all enemies, foreign or domestic.


That sound you heard is my uncle, who worked with Powell during the First Gulf War, punching a hole in his wall.

777 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:41:40am

re: #765 livefreeor die

I'm glad my grandfather (rest his soul) isn't having to see this. He came from a poor family, went to West Point, and retired as a three star general. He would be sick to his stomach right now.

We are all sick to our stomach for him.

778 jetprop  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:41:47am

re: #768 legalpad

Powell is only addressing a very narrow set of issues, trying to cast Republican ideas in a bad light. There is a lot he is editing out. Misrepresenting John McCain.

He implies raising taxes will raise revenue. I thought he was smarter than that.

Powell=sour grapes.

Someone must have really pissed in his Wheaties.

779 Timbre  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:42:02am

Barack Obama is a SOCIALIST!

(There. Now Powell can be mad at me, too.)

780 puckish and beguiling  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:42:29am

re: #746 goddessoftheclassroom

Powell's talking point that Sarah Palin "isn't ready to lead" got me the angriest. On what does he base this opinion? What FACTS does he have? She's more ready than Obama ever will be.

Exactly! She has real executive experience.

I am very disappointed in Colin Powell--I do agree with previous posts that it seems like race trumped common sense and honor!

781 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:43:24am

re: #772 Tigger2005

I don't know that Powell's endorsement is not going to make a difference. Unfortunately, a lot of people still respect this guy. And from now until November he's going to be making the rounds of the news shows, telling people Sarah Palin's not qualified and Bill Ayers isn't an issue, and the MSM is going to be making this top of the newscast, front page stuff.

It's time to bring out Rev Wright again.

Seeing this guy damn America so viciously while Obama kept him close for 20 years is important right now.

It would also show what Colin Powell is getting himself into.

782 JacksonTn  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:43:33am

I say if Powell is going to slap McCain with all the crap he is now accusing him of .....bring it friggin on .........everything is fair game now ....NYT slams Cindy McCain ........MEchelle is now fair play ........everything is fair game now ...... they know no limits .......they will stop at NOTHING ....bring on Wright 24/7 ..... so I guess Powell will endorse Wright also ......

783 AMER1CAN  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:43:34am

Powell is a pretty big pick up. I know a lot of folks who like Powell. To me it might signal to the fence sitters, "Well, maybe Obama isn't that bad."

And you can't blame these folks. Look at the alternative the repubs put up. McCain is great and all don't get me wrong, but if the republicans put up almost anyone else then this election is a lock.

784 realwest  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:43:41am

re: #746 goddessoftheclassroom Hey good morning {goddess}! Hope you and yours are well today!

785 christheprofessor  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:44:10am

re: #766 opnion

Powell is now lecturing at a press conference. He said focusing on William Ayers is a distraction. Powell is upset with Obama being called a Socialist.
When asked if he is still a Republican, he answered "YES."
Powell should really go attempt to perform an impossible sexual act with himself

It's really not impossible when one has no spine...

786 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:44:17am

re: #784 realwest

Hey good morning {goddess}! Hope you and yours are well today!

{realwest}
I'm feeling a bit better and the sun is shining--life is good!

787 smokefire  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:44:23am

livefreeor die
If that is true have the uncle put a little ice on it, and take an aspirin, and one very large glass of JD, and call me in the morning...................(humor)

That sound you heard is my uncle, who worked with Powell during the First Gulf War, punching a hole in his wall.

788 yah  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:45:45am

re: #632 MandyManners

As strange as it sounds, I'm convinced that this article on the crafting of BHO's speeches is valid.


Thanks for posting that. I saw it here yesterday but did not have time to read all of it. Was going to look it up today so I could save it and print it out. Saved me some time.
Obama is not the first to use this type of "control" on the masses.

789 JacksonTn  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:45:48am

Powell has been in the pocked of Senator Government ....... all the time ..... they were just waiting to use the Powell Card at the right time for them ......

790 rightside  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:46:15am

re: #775 sparrowlake

He can call himself anything he wants, he's no Republican, nor a conservative!

791 opnion  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:46:29am

It doesn't really matter that Powell thinks that discussion of Obamas association with Ayers is not relevant, it is.
Think about it, most of us associate with people that are a lot like ourselves. Now look at Obamas associations.

792 JacksonTn  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:46:52am

re: #783 AMER1CAN

Powell is a pretty big pick up. I know a lot of folks who like Powell. To me it might signal to the fence sitters, "Well, maybe Obama isn't that bad."

And you can't blame these folks. Look at the alternative the repubs put up. McCain is great and all don't get me wrong, but if the republicans put up almost anyone else then this election is a lock.

You are full of crap .......

793 legalpad  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:46:52am

Fox is disputing Powell's representations of the issues.

Powell was an opponent of the surge.

Socialism is just a matter of degree, therefore to a small extent at least, a matter of opinion as to where tax lines should be reasonably drawn. What is fair, what brings the most revenue? When taxes reach the point where they make revenues drop, then socialism has begun.

794 livefreeor die  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:47:00am

We named our second son Colin partially because we liked the name and partially because we respected Powell.

Guess we should have gone with Norman.

795 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:47:07am

re: #783 AMER1CAN

Powell is a pretty big pick up. I know a lot of folks who like Powell. To me it might signal to the fence sitters, "Well, maybe Obama isn't that bad."

And you can't blame these folks. Look at the alternative the repubs put up. McCain is great and all don't get me wrong, but if the republicans put up almost anyone else then this election is a lock.

And you know, when somebody asks McCain or Palin, "Well, how can you say all those bad things about Obama when Colin Powell endorses him?" there is no way they can reply that Powell endorsed Obama because he's black.

I guess all they can say is, "I respect Mr. Powell's service to this country, but on this matter he is sadly misguided."

796 Killian Bundy  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:47:14am

We need a generational change black.

/Colin Powell has lost his mind

797 smokefire  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:47:33am

He can call himself anything he wants, he's no Republican, nor a conservative!

nor good American, either for that matter.

As said before................a disgrace to the uniform, and the men he led.

798 mich-again  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 6:47:33am

Obama wanted to keep Ayers out of the spotlight not so much because of his radicalism or anti-Americanism. Heck, that stuff plays well with the O's base.

Maybe Ayers most well kept secret is that in his books he has written about what a failed model the US public education system currently is and he mixes in all sorts of negative references to the teacher's unions. He is a big proponent of small schools free of the shackles from the education industry. (read charter schools)

Wouldn't want anyone to point that out to all those dupes in the NEA and the AFT.